#2139 - Akaash Singh

23:23My wife is big on the thing where if you can't afford it twice, you can't afford it once. That's smart. Yeah. I'm very financially, I think just by product of being a comedian and like, you risk everything, I don't have any risk of worse than a Persian at all. My wife is a little more risk of worse. So like, if I want to buy a nice watch, I'm a little bit into watches now. She's like, can you buy that twice? I'm cool with you buying it. Just make me feel better. Can you buy it twice? That's it. That's all I want to know. Can you buy it? Did the watch things that the dudes get into and the bitches is expensive?

23:53Yeah. Then you get into watches that people don't know are expensive, but they are expensive. That's what I love now. Because walking around New York, I'm a very robbable guy. So walking around New York, I want something that's nice and you're like, all right, fair enough. I don't think that's that nice of a watch. I'll let him walk. Yeah. Yeah. That's my jam now. You got to think like that if you're in certain spots. Yeah. Does New York gotten that bad? So apparently I looked this up because Alex, like, keeps up with this stuff. Alex on the podcast and he was saying crime is down. So I looked it up.

24:24Murder is down like 15 % from a year ago. Rape is down like 4%. I think assault might be up. But yeah, you do feel. Here's a problem though. Under reporting. And one of the problems with under when there's no police presence and like that's a thing in LA right now. Robberies are so common. It's so bad. The mayor of LA's house got broken into. Really? Yeah. The LA mayor pulled that up. It just happened. Just happened yesterday. They're so fucking common and cops aren't coming for anything. Yeah. That a lot of shit goes under reported. Yeah. Because if you call it in and no one does anything, no one cares.

24:58Los Angeles mayor Karen Karen Bass save after suspect breaks into her official residence. That's crazy. I like how she has an official residence is also wild. Yeah, what's the unofficial? Her and her family were not harmed. A suspect gained entry. I like how I say that gain entry. He gained access. That he broke it. You're fucking house. To get a house to LA mayor's official residence on Irving Boulevard around 6 .40 am this morning. First of all, that's ridiculous. That you have a place where everybody knows you're going to be because it's the mayor house. Yeah. You got to stay in the mayor. Yeah, but no one should get in.

25:31We all know where the president's staying. We're not getting in. I hung out with the governor when I first moved to Texas. Oh, yeah. And the governor lives in the governor's mansion. And so you got to go to the governor's mansion. You go through all the security. They're frisking you, taking stuff out of your pockets. Yeah, go just gops and everything. I'm like, how crazy that you're staying in this spot where everybody knows where you are. And then while I was hanging out with them, a drone flew over the balcony. That's a fuck out of you. It turned out it was the fire department. They were doing something with drones.

26:01So they scan for fires and shit. I don't know what it is. But the, the, the boy I was like, this is crazy. Do you have to deal with this all the time as a drone from your fucking house? Yeah. I'd get a shot. Yeah, I remember watching a presidential debate. It was Obama and Romney, I think. And then we were at the village of lantern where we came up. And then my boy, Michael Blasstein, the points of the TV and he goes, why would anyone want this? And I was like, yeah, that's a good point. That to leave my house. Yeah. So it's drones flying over my house at level of scrutiny. Anytime I say, people are jumping all, remember they were jumping on Barak?

26:32Cause he said, a lot with it. They're just all over him. It's like, dog, can I live? Imagine that now. Oh, you smell bad, Biden, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, it's rough to it. I got hairy legs. It's, I, it's so rough to watch. It's so rough to watch. Imagine if Obama came along and, um, and people were complained about that. Yeah, wait a minute. How are you not complaining about this guy? That's true. This is ridiculous. Do you want, yeah, hard to say, I think Michelle should run. She could win. She could win, I think. I think, I think if she won, I think if she ran, she could win. Yeah, I think I don't think she wants that though.

27:05No, I don't think she wants on her life, which is bullshit that they dealt with over the eight years when he was president. Yeah. Fuck all that, fuck that job for anybody that, you know, that like really would, really, really good at it. Yeah, I trust the person who doesn't want the job when the person who wants the job. I mean, you have to be like real desperate to change the world and, and be a good person and actual good candidate to understand that they're going to come for you. Yeah. Like the way they're coming for Trump right now. Yeah. This thing that they're doing right now with the, the, the criminal trial for the hush money payment, this is essentially the way it is.

27:42It's like he incorrectly labeled a payment on, it's like a ledger thing. It's not even like it's illegal to pay someone to shut up. Mm -hmm. The whole thing is, it's like how he recorded what that payment was for. I don't know enough about the trial to know, I don't, but I think what a casual observer like myself would say is, oh, this seems like a witch hunt. And I don't think if your strategy is to make Trump a not -win in election, I think that only emboldened his support. People who are on the fence might be like, oh, they really are trying to get this guy. He's right when he says all this stuff.

28:15They're definitely trying to get him. But if you look at what's going on in New York crime wise, look at the, the bail situation, like those two guys that beat up the cops, the illegal immigrants, the beat up the cops. I didn't even know about this. They, they let him out right away. And the dude was like two -pock in the camera and shit. It's like he just got out. He's fired to be a, he's got a fire. This young guy who walked here from Guatemala, he's like, fuck you, I just beat up your cops. That guy is Scarface. We watched a movie about that guy in the 70s and loved him. Yeah. And you're never going to get that guy out of here now.

28:45Yeah. Even if you beat up a cop, like you're not even deporting him, you're just letting him right back on the street. Yeah. And then how are you tracking him? You're not tracking him. Are you tracking him? No, you're not tracking him. There's no resources. There's no fucking money for any of that. It's crazy. That South Park had a really good take on it. Legal immigration, like 15 years ago, which was like the liberals are all just like let him in, let him in, let him in. A conservator's like, don't let any in. And nobody's like, hey, maybe we could also just try to help them out in their country so they don't need to sneak in.

29:11Yeah. And that's probably a great way to do it. The problem with that is then you don't get the cheap labor that you need to make that's hard for like $10. That's very true. That's very true. My parents owned a restaurant that failed, but if you think we were hiring legal people, that's crazy. No chance. We were to close even faster. That's the thing about L .A. They just switched it to $20 an hour from them away. There's no way you can afford that. Businesses are just going to close up shop. They're going to kill the economy. Or just keep hiring illegal. It's going to be one of those two. But you can't do it because they have to get paid a certain amount.

29:43Not even the illegal's to them. Really? Unless you're paying them out of the table. If you're running McDonald's, you can't pay people under the table. That's the get you. But they're also just going to do the self -check out and just eliminate workforce wherever they can. That's what's going to happen. It's going to be an AI thing. It's going to be self -checked. They already have a thing here. There's a water burger. That's like a digital water burger. You'll order it on your app and then you pull up to a kiosk. It just fucking comes out. We're all just going to get used to it. The self -check out doesn't seem weird anymore.

30:11Not at all. Remember Bill Burst? Like 12 years ago where he's just like, I'm just stealing it. Now we're all like, no, what is pay for what else is? And they'll have a tip at the end at the airport. I just rang myself up and you want a tip? Get fucked. Give me my money back. That's the tip. That's ridiculous. The tip thing is crazy. But people are trying to weasel tips out of you everywhere. Yeah. It's weird how like some things get tips like a Starbucks barista. Yeah. But other things you never think about tipping. Yeah. You know, that are like harder jobs. Yeah. So this might be classes on me or whatever.

30:41When I see the like grocery delivery guy, I often see someone that I feel like could use the money more than the fucking barista at Starbucks. So I try to over -tip them. I'll do the $1 standard at a coffee shop because my friends shame me. But now I'm like, I'm kind of classist in how I tip. I'm like, who needs it more? And then I'll over -tip that guy. Well, I like to tip people. It's fun. It feels nice. I've heard your tips are pretty crazy. It feels good. It's like, I call it like a little love bomb. You leave a love bomb for someone. I'm fun. I'm fighting against my Indian heritage anytime.

31:12I leave a big tip. Well, I'll do it, but it's tough. It took a lot of work. I'm Italian and this, you know, Sinatra and all this good. This is given, everybody's handing out big tips. That's a big thing for a big, yeah, Italian. Makes people feel better. Yeah. It's a nice thing to do. Makes people feel better. But my point is like, how come you know tip, this episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery. Actually have some Buffalo Trace cigars here they just sent me. One of the world's most award -winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years, made as a tribute to the rugged, free spirited pioneers who blaze their own trail to new frontiers.

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32:40Distilled, aged and bottled by Buffalo Trace Distillery, 90 proof, Franklin County, Kentucky, Buffalo Trace, American, family -owned, independent and perfectly untamed. Disturred is on an airplane. Cause they're the fun police dude. That's why. Sometimes they are the fun police. Can I just have my seat back while we land? Why can't I have my seat back while we land? What's your fucking deal? It makes no sense. They're just doing their job. I know. They're forced to do that stupid shit. But if you let me have my seat back, maybe I'll give you a 20 on the way out. They'll get fired. They didn't follow stupid fucking protocol.

33:14But those people, they're bringing your food, they're bringing you water, you press a button and then they have to come over to you. They've summoned them with a button. And they don't get it too. That's true. But the Starbucks guy does. Yeah. Okay. And that's SmugFuck. Oh, some of them are so smug. Yeah. Is it a pre -requisite for being a barista? You have to look at people. Can I tell you sideways? I'm trying to tip better as I feel I'm more blessed. And I remember COVID being like, oh yeah, these tips are an important thing to do. But if you give me any attitude, the way I press zero and then spin it back around to you so you can see me not tip, it makes me so happy.

33:51I'm overjoyed. I'm overjoyed to zero. There you go, buddy. That's a Texas thing I think to a degree. We don't like rudeness at all. Very yes or no, sir. I'm raised. Yes, sir, no, sir. Yes, ma 'am, no, ma 'am. Please, thank you. These are huge when I was growing up. Yeah. So if you don't give me that, I feel so like, who the fuck? There's a real benefit in that kind of Texas friendly, like politeness. Yes. It's a real benefit that makes everybody feel better. Absolutely. I call people ma 'am and sir all the time. Yeah. Makes everybody feel better. Yeah. And now that I'm old, nobody gets offended anymore because I'm older than the people I'm sorry.

34:22I'm ramming 95 % of the time. Yeah. Yeah, I'm always older than young guys that I'm called, sir. Yeah. But it's, it's, you know, it feels good. Makes everybody feel better. There's a method to it. There's a, there's an intelligence to it. Right. Because that whole East Coast thing, you know, I grew up in Boston. Everybody's hard -assed and hard -adged. And I'm old -rate. It's like, yeah, I'm not, I don't have to do that. But, but I get why they're that way. Because everybody that lives on the East Coast, unless you move there recently, you're essentially the child of either immigrants or the children of immigrants who are, you know, of grandparents of immigrants.

35:01They're grandparents. Children of immigrants. Yeah, someone, someone came from a boat. Yeah. And they landed on that spot, whether it was in 1920s or whatever the fuck it was with my family was in the 1920s. So these people, they landed there from fucking Italy and Ireland. And they were poor as fuck and desperate. Right. They made it across the ocean on a boat without YouTube. They didn't know what the fuck they were getting into. They didn't know idea if they're going to get a job. Yeah. Those are hard -ass people. And so those people raised hard -ass kids. And it takes a long time to break that out of a generational cycle.

35:37And I think for a lot of people that moved to California, like, I didn't even know people were friendly until I moved to California. When I moved to California, I'm like, girls are so much nicer. They're like nice. They're like, hi, hi, how you doing? They're not going to just be mean to you. Right. Yeah. I think some of it also is just the number of people, the density of population. In Texas, I see a person every 90 seconds. I can say hi to everyone I walk by. Yeah. There's too many people. If I hold the door open for one person in Texas, two might walk through. In New York to 30 might walk through.

36:06So I'm not doing this. That's a great point. Because I walked my dog yesterday. I'm walking on the street and everybody's saying, I'm waving. How you doing? But I saw like five guys. It's so much easier. It's easy. If you're in New York City and you're walking on the street and it's just constant flow of people coming your way, you literally can't wave to everybody. You would be a crazy person. Yeah. That's what you walked out of a fucking fifth ab. And waving it every single day. You kicked out of you. Someone would get upset at you. Like the Joker opening scene just gets chased down the street and get beaten the fuck up.

36:38Probably watching a lot of videos on Instagram, unfortunately, of women getting punched in the face in New York. I've seen like four or five of them over the last few days. People just punching women for no reason. Yeah, that's like a thing. That's like a thing. What is that? I don't know. I thought it was only white women at first. So it was just funny to me. But then I found out they're doing it to everybody. And now I'm scared for my wife. Yeah, I saw some Asian lady get punched in the face today. What the fuck? For no reason. Just walking down the street. And this dude just wait. She had a mask on too, by the way.

37:07Maybe that's why. Maybe that's why. This dude just wail later and knocked her mask off. Center flying out of nowhere. Like you don't think you're going to get hit. First of all, people die that way all the time. Yeah. Because if you don't know you're going to get hit and you get hit, you go unconscious and you bang your head off the concrete. It's like getting the world dropped on you. Yeah, no. That's one thing that fighters are keenly aware of. That most of us don't, I don't think, think about a lot. You got to really think about that on concrete. But if you're going to punch somebody on concrete, you might go to jail.

37:38You might go to jail for a long, and you might have horrible nightmares. They could have avoided that. You didn't have to do that. Especially if you're skilled. And you know that, like, I don't have to fuck this guy up. But this guy's fucking pissing me. I don't teach this motherfucker a lesson. Yeah. I have a friend who had that exact situation. It's like, I haven't fought since then. I don't know what happened to the guy. I had to get out of there. And he's like a trained fighter. And he's like, I can't. I don't know what happened to him. I couldn't find out, and that just haunts me. I was very enthusiastic about fighting until I was 19.

38:07And when I was 19, I fought in this tournament in Anaheim, California. It was the Nationals. And I was the Massachusetts State Champion. And I fought this kid who was, I think he was from Illinois. I think he was the Illinois State Champion. And I hit him in the head with a wheel kick. What a wheel kick is, is like, your body spinning. So I'm standing with my left foot forward and I'm spinning my right heel around in a circle. And it has insane power. I mean, insane power. The amount of power that you get in a wheel kick is because it's my legs, it's my upper body. It's like whip to it. It's got all this torque.

38:44And I caught this guy. He came at me with what's called a stepping roundhouse kick. So he had his front leg forward, and he stepped forward with his left leg. He was going to throw a kick. And I spun with my right leg at the same time. So I caught him running in, and I blasted him in the face. And he went out, face plant snoring, never woke up. Never woke up. He was unconscious for half an hour. They put him in a stretcher. I was watching, he never got out of that stretcher. They took him to the hospital. I have no idea what happened to him. And it freaked me out. Yeah. It freaked me out. Yeah.

39:19I lost my next match, and that was my third match of the day. Were you just like, I can't get over this? No, no, I lost my next match. I was just better. I just lost. Okay. And but when I went back to Boston, my main instructor, he wasn't there in California when I was fighting. And so, because there was like a team of us, it was like 10 of us that went to California. And he said to me, he goes, I heard you had a great knockout. And I said, yeah, he goes, he goes, wheel kick. I go, yeah, I go, I thought he was dead. He never got up. He goes, sometimes they die. Fuck. I was 19, and I was fighting for zero money.

40:03And none of it made any, and my heel was sore. I was limping the next day, because my heel was sore from his face. Yeah. And then I was thinking, I'm not immune to that. Someone could 100 % do that to me. We're whipping fucking bones at each other. You know, I mean, I just, it changed my feeling about it. I never, I didn't have the same enthusiasm after that. That was probably like the beginning of the end for me. I fought for a couple more years, but it was like, that was kind of it. I was kind of like, what was, was your aspiration before that to be like a world champion? I wanted to be in the Olympics.

40:41Okay. Yeah, but there's no money in Taekwondo. There's no, no money in kickboxing either. I don't offer for a kickboxing fight. It was like 500 bucks. Boy, and then if I fought, if I fought professional, then I can never fight amateur again, because now I'm a professional. So it was like 500 bucks. It was like 500 bucks to train for like two months, and maybe get pummeled. Yeah. Maybe get brain damage, maybe get my nose shattered. Maybe get my ribs kicked in. And that's the beginning of the standup career essentially. Because I was doing both at the same time as well, which was also a problem.

41:16Because I knew I wasn't as committed to fight, but it really began with that 19 year old when I was knocked out, dude, out. That was the beginning of the end. And then it was like later on, it was headaches from kickboxing. Oh, wow. I was getting a lot of headaches. I was getting headaches like after sparring, I would be lying in bed, and my brain would just be throbbing. Just boom, boom, boom. And I remember thinking, what am I doing? Like am I ruining my brain? Because I knew a lot of guys who their brain got ruined. It didn't seem like they realized it. It didn't seem like, because they were still fighting.

41:49It didn't seem they realized, or maybe they didn't know what to do, or maybe they just weren't that smart, but they were still fighting and training, but I was realizing they were slurring their words. And there was, there's just clear evidence as something was off. And I was like, oh my God, is that happening to me? Is that going to happen to me? Yeah. And then there's also, later on, I realized, there's also it's other side effects of that, which is like impulsiveness, gambling addiction, which would get crazy. They start doing a lot of drugs. They drink a lot. A lot of guys become drunks because they're just trying to, like, they're just trying to feel good.

42:22They just feel terrible at the time. Yeah, and we had no idea about any of this back then. You were in a fog of depression. Because people thought back then, punch drunk was a thing. That was real. Everybody knew a guy, but but no one worried about it up until it was obvious. And no one worried about, there's a sub -concussive traumatic brain injuries that cause a lot of CTE, which is chronic traumatic encephalopathy. Right. And that's the thing that makes people kill themselves and do wild shit and lose their fucking mind, but soccer players get that. I know. From getting the ball. I've heard this and it's so crazy how delicate the brain is.

43:03We don't think about it. Super delicate. Super delicate. And I saw I tell my friends that are all, they still like to spar. I was like, man, I know it's fun. I know it's fun to spar, but don't do it. Don't fucking do it, man. Don't do it because you could just slip away and not even realize that you slipped away. Cause all you have to do is like spar with one meathead. One guy who real, and then he hits you, you get mad and you hit him and next thing you know, you're in a fight. Right. You're in a fight in the gym. And a lot of fights happen in the gym. There's a lot of sparring matches that essentially become fights where you just wail and break it up.

43:39No, most gyms don't. It depends on the gym. It'll really good gym will break it up, especially if someone's better than the other person in the wailing on them. Or really good gym will stop that. Yeah. But a really good gym will not want you to spar like that most of the time anyway. Most of the time they want you to what they call technical spar. So you're just kind of like, you're hitting each other, but you're not like full blasting each other. You're just getting timing in. And that's a really great way to spar. If you trust your sparring partner, so if you got a guy that you could do it with, and he's cool and you're cool and you like each other, and you can make this agreement.

44:11Like if I hit him, I'm going to hit him like this. Like kick him. I'm just going to like stop the body. And if you do that, then you really develop sharp timing. And it's great, but you do have to do hard sparring every now and then, because you got to know what that feels like. And the consequences of making mistakes are so much more. I want to be honest, I think about getting in like, do you do two and stuff and then you start talking like this. And I'm like, I think I'm okay. I think I don't need this. I think I'm not built for it. Yeah. Well, I'm a grappler. Where you got a son looking good.

44:40I went, by the way, Mother's ship is beautiful. The son took me yesterday. Thank you. Gorgeous. Also, I as a non -drinker, I didn't have any interest in mitsis. And then I went there and I was like, oh, this is a vibe. Yeah. This is like a speakeasy. And then I heard it shut down for anybody but comics after a certain hour. That's awesome. After 11 PM, comics in their friends. That's awesome. But yeah, his son looks good, dude. And he said he was friends with you. Yeah. Yeah. I got those guys on a workout boot camp. Shane Gillis, a son, Derek Poston, Brian Simpson, Duncan Trussell. Is Poston still doing only meat?

45:12He's doing carnivore. He told me he was doing that. So is a son. Yeah. I got them on that for January. It was World Carnivore month. And I said, I just want you guys to try this one month. He said he's so hard. He's so hard. It is hard. But once you get accustomed to it, like that's how I eat, man. I mean, I'll still eat whatever I want every now and then. But the vast majority of my diet is all just meat and eggs. No veggies? Very little. If I want to, like the other night, I had a salad. I felt like having a salad. And blood work is all good. It's great. Oh, it's great. Everything's great. Look at that.

45:45No, it's amazing. It's like your body wants to eat real food. And if you're eating bread and all that bullshit, it's not real food. It's just your body's like, I'm never tired. Okay. So through that, I used to get the, look, I, 100 % of addicted to pasta. Like if you give me a big bowl of like linguine with clams, I will fuck that up. I'll fuck some of those on you up. You put a pizza in front of me. I can't stop eating. Yeah. I'll eat a whole pizza, a whole extra large pizza. Right. But that's not good for you. And when I would eat like that, I would always crash. I would get these moments at like the middle of the day.

46:29I was like, I got to take a fucking nap. I can want to take a nap. I love that feeling. It's great feeling. So fun. It's so fun to just be able to take a nap if you can. But if you're busy, then you can't take a nap. And now you got to go do things and you're all droopy. But when I started eating only meat, one of the first things I noticed is that my energy levels were completely level throughout the day. It was flat. It never went up and never went down. I was like, this is crazy. Like I'm not getting tired where I'm expecting to get tired. And then I realized, oh, that's probably like an insulin dump.

47:00Like my body's probably fucked up from all this carbs, all this sugar and bullshit that I'm putting in my body. And as soon as I stopped doing that, I felt so much better. And that's what those guys said. That's what a Saun said and Derek said. They're like, dude, I feel so much better. I'm so much more energy. Yeah. Because you're not poisoning yourself. Yeah, I did like a keto style that it was called soda. This thing before I filmed a special, like let go like 20 pounds. And it was, I didn't realize the idea of eating fat instead of carbs is fat, even with a smaller amount is just more filling.

47:30So carbs, you can eat 200 calories of carbs. You're, yeah, protein and fat. Yeah. Carbs I'm hungry again right away. If I have even just a teaspoon of tablespoon and I have olive oil, I'm good for four or five hours usually. Yeah, it's more, it's a higher satiety level. So if you, if you just eat a 16 ounce steak, you know, you put a 16 ounce rib on front of you. And if that's all you're eating, you'll be full. You'll eat that and like, that was great. But if there's mashed potatoes right next to it, with gravy, and then maybe some french fries. And then maybe over there there's a little bit of spaghetti and meatballs like, I'm gonna keep eating.

48:03Right. I'm gonna keep stuffing my fat, stupid face. And then I'm gonna, at the end of it, I'll be like this. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Oh. Which is still my favorite thing to do. I'm great feeling. Yeah. But it's really bad for you. Yeah. It's a great feeling that's really, like drinking. Great feeling that's really bad for you. Yeah. I don't drink, but I will. Gorge. Yeah, it's not good, man. It's not good. You really, especially one of the things as you get older, you realize there's a giant difference between people in my age that take care of themselves and people in my age that neglect their health.

48:35They deteriorate. Like I have friends that are my age, and when I tell people, we're the same age. They're like, what? Yeah. Like other people can't even believe it. How has that got your age? Like because he didn't do anything. He didn't take care of himself. You have to take care of yourself. You gotta treat your body like it's a fucking car. If your car's got a fucked up transmission, get it fixed. Yeah. If you change your fucking oil, stupid. Have you seen this guy Brian Johnson? He was on Flagrus. He's fascinated. He's fascinated. He says he eats like 1800 calories a day, and the saying he says this kind of fire, he goes, every calorie is fighting for its life.

49:12Every calorie has a purpose, and if we can't find a purpose for you, you're out. Yeah. Every piece of food has a purpose. He's also like injected his son's blood into him. Yeah. Yeah. So when I first read articles, here's what I'll say, when I would just read articles, he's coming on the pod for researching, and I'm like, they pain him as like this billionaire fuck boy who just wants to be a billionaire and have sex with a teenager or whatever. They kind of make him seem like that. When you talk to him, he's like, I think humans can live forever with the help of AI, and I just want to push us there.

49:43And you feel like, oh yeah, this is not, he's not like, he was wearing like a unicorn shirt when we saw him in like some blue corduroy, no, nothing fashionable about this man. He just, and I think his dad is pretty sick, and so he, I think, wants to make humans live forever very soon, so his dad can stick around. It's actually like, there's a lot more nobility tool than I talk to him than when I just read articles about him. Isn't it interesting that you would be skeptical about a person who wants to live longer? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, a billionaire who wants to live forever, sounds those things together sound evil, genius, like looks loo -thor.

50:16Right, but it also makes people's like, no, everybody's got a guy. Yeah, yeah, it's like, especially poor people that don't have the money to do all the shit that he's doing, because what he's doing is costs like millions every year, right? Yeah, two million, I think, a year on his body, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, LeBronzman's a million a year, and this guy's not even an athlete, but two million a year. I mean, he looks okay. He looks great, dude. And he looks very good. He looks better, he's in better shape, obviously, than he was five years ago. He's also a vegan though, which I found fascinating, because there's not a lot of evidence that's good for him.

50:46He didn't think that was healthy. He thought he could be as healthy and protect the environment, I believe. He felt the environmental cost of meat right now. Yeah, he should read more. That doesn't sound protecting shit. You're encouraging monocrop agriculture. You're encouraging the death of untold numbers of creatures when they fucking, when they cultivate those crops, when they cut them down and run those fucking combines through them, everything dies, dude. If you think one life is one life, so if you think a bison is as important as a mouse, well, you're a hypocrite, because those ground squirrels, shrews, yeah, ground nesting birds, a fawns, rabbits, things get fucking destroyed.

51:32If you talk to farmers, one of the things you see after they run a combine through the field is vultures. Vultures and crows just flying over the field because they know everything got fucked up. So if one life is one life, and this is not to say that there's not a horrific loss of life every day with chickens. The number of chickens that get killed in this country every year is in the billions. It's in the billions. How many chickens do we kill every year? Let's find out. I was watching this thing on all the different animals that get killed, like what's the highest number of animals that get killed at chicken?

52:07Is it chickens? It's got to be chickens. Chickens is high up there. I don't know if it's number one, but there's a lot of different things get fucked up and beaten by people. But monocrop agriculture is terrible for the environment. It's not good. It's bad because you just like top soil, you're not supposed to have one 17 billion. I think that's billions. What's that? That was animals total. Oh, eight billion chickens. Eight billion chickens every year. US. US. 214 million turkeys. That's ridiculous. Turkeys, they're like, they only exist because of Thanksgiving. Yeah. Wildly overrated meat. Very overrated.

52:48Yeah, I'm amazed that there's eight times more. Look at that shellfish. Oh my God. 43 billion. No, that's fire. I love shellfish. That one, they got it. Three billion fish. 23 billion, oh, million ducks. Yeah, 23 million ducks. Worldwide chicken said it was like 70 billion. 70 billion. Yeah, every year. That's crazy. Every year we tell 70 billion chickens. It makes sense though. If there's eight billion people, we all probably eat about nine chickens a year on average. You know, the other day. Yeah. Meanwhile, I have chickens. I have chickens in the suite. They're my pets. That's what's weird.

53:23Yeah, I have like 15 chickens and they make eggs. I eat their eggs. But they're not worried about me at all. I'm like, hey ladies. Yeah. I can buy them food. They're good. Excited to see you. You got a lot of land out there then. Yeah. Yeah. Are you raising any other animals in a full farm or just the chickens? No, just chickens and trying to keep my dog from eating the chickens. My dog will be terrified. My dog is seven pounds. You'd be terrified of your dog and chickens. Both freaking out. That's fun. What kind of dog is it? It's a multi -pooh. Happy. Oh, I love them, dude. I didn't want a small dog.

53:56Oh. My wife made me get a small dog and I'm so happy. Anybody who doesn't like small dogs, I say meat, Carl. Yeah. He's fantastic. Was he in your lap? Yeah. Look at this guy, dude. Oh, little Carl. Look, I had a little Carl. Yeah, it's the best. Yeah, dogs don't get any cuter than Carl. Yeah. They just get different. Yeah. Wonderful. Just traveling with a small dog is so much better than. Yeah, they're great little buddies. Yeah. They're little pals. Dude, I got the full sling. I'm going to send Jamie a link. I got the full sling. I put him in there. Just walk around on it's the best thing. Don't get punched.

54:27Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What if you fell and crushed the dog? No, I could never. I would have to fall. It's like a mother holding the sun. Right. You got instincts. I'm in. I was falling. Oh, if I get cracked. That's saying, like that Chinese lady I saw up to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm probably about as strong as her. So yeah. She was a big lady. Oh, then definitely. Quite wide. She got wail -aid. It's fun. And they do just stood over her after we wail -aid her. He just stood over her and he pretended like nothing happened. And he was talking to somebody else. Young and enough. Yeah, I feel like young kids scare me the most because they don't know the value of a life.

54:58Yeah. No. They don't get it. I saw one kid that died in New York City. These guys just walked up to him and cracked him and he fell backwards over the curb and fell back and slammed his head on the street. Oh, yeah. And died for nothing. For 20 bucks. They robbed him from $20. That's all you had on them. Fuck. I know. It's crazy. Yeah. It's just crazy that our society is so fucked up that we've been spending so much money on shit like wars overseas and not nearly enough money on trying to figure out a way to have the minimal amount of people grow up to want to punch people in the face on the street.

55:39The bear, like, put us stopped. I feel like they need to punch people in the street. Right. Well, you figure out a way to mitigate that. Like, there's got to be a science behind it. Like, what is the problem? Well, abuse at home, violence in their neighborhood, poverty, drugs, gangs, all that stuff. If they can pump money at that, what would the, like, the downstream effects of a lack of crime and violence? If you could, like, give people hope and educate them at an early age and set people up saying, I'm going to help you. I'm going to mentor you. I'm going to get you along in life. Yeah. The amount of money that we would spend to do that would pay for itself four or five, six times over and less crime, less bullshit, less losers, less problem, less prisons.

56:22Yeah. All of that. I just, I, so much of it seems like it just starts at home and there's the generational trauma thing that you hear about a lot and it's like, yeah, that's exactly. We're talking about with the East Coast. Exactly. There's a little bit of generational trauma there. Yeah. I had so much, I had to think about my dad struggle with alcohol abuse, struggle with a lot of stuff and I had to understand what his life was supposed to be in India. And then what it was going to be here in India, he was like set. He'd passed this exam that like five million people apply for and they select like 200, like, he was going to be a millionaire bare minimum 24 years old.

56:52Then he's at another family in Merse wedding and his little cousins are like, hey, you're getting married today too. He had no idea, a range marriage, getting fitted for clothes on his way to the wedding. Jesus Christ. And then they're like, you're also moving to America. That's because in the 70s in India, they're just thinking, oh, if he's successful in India, he'll be even more successful in America. The language barrier you never think about. And I thought about somebody, one of my cousins, it struck me because he goes, your dad is so funny. And I was like, what are you talking about? He's the least funny because your dad's not funny in English.

57:22He's so funny and Hindi. And I was like, oh, this guy doesn't, this language, he's not that good at. And he couldn't navigate the world the way he couldn't in India. He was supposed to be a superstar. Then he comes here and he's in Texas as a brown guy in the 70s, probably less than to all these people. And he's used to be in a star and he can't be funny and he can't be himself. And that just sucks the life out of you slowly day by day. What are you doing in India? He was, it's called a PCS officer. So there's a movie called 12th Fail of Bollywood movie. I love Bollywood. But it's about a different post, but equally competitive.

57:55That one is like IS and then PCS is like a government officer. Kind of like state police, I guess. But like you are at the very least well respected. And if you want to be rich and take some bribes, you can do that. And my dad would have done all of that. He would have taken all the bribes, all the bribes. And in India, he just kind of knew that's how he knew the culture. He knew how to navigate. He knew how to grease the wheels and all of that. How to talk to people to get what you want. Here, he's not charming because he doesn't know English well enough. There, he can get anything he wants. Here, he's just struggling trying to figure it all out.

58:25And so I become keenly aware of like, I don't know if we as immigrant kids appreciate everything our parents had to go through to get here. For us. I'm not here without that. Well, if my grandparents, it was actually my grandparents parents that moved here. But if they weren't the type of people that were so gangster, they were willing to get on that boat. I would be in Europe somewhere. Yes. I'd be in Europe hanging out in a cafe, smoke and cigarettes, talking shit. Yeah. I would be a fat spoiled piece of shit. And it would have been fun. I'd have been a rich kid. But growing up in India, I wouldn't have been this what I am here.

58:58I know that. Yeah. You want your own ability to carve a path. And there's a lot of countries where that's not an option. You can't really carve a path to do whatever you want to do. That's not available to everybody everywhere. Yeah, man. Hopeless poverty. I'm not saying there's not extreme poverty in America there is, but I've seen a hopeless poverty in India, where it's just like, I don't know how you'll get out of this in three generations even. Yeah. When you fly in to Brazil, one of the things that happens when you fly in Rio, we would do UFC's there. You go through the favelas. The airport and the drive from the airport to the beach where we're staying.

59:36Yeah. You drive straight through the favelas. So all to the right of you is shanty towns. And you see extreme poverty. Yeah. And if you ever seen that movie, The City of God. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. My friend, Eddie Bravo said that makes boys in the hood look like Sesame Street. Truly. I remember thinking it was going to be an uplifting film. So I was horrified watching the whole thing. But yeah, it's crazy, man. And my friends from Brazil say that's exactly what it's like. That's exactly what it's like in the favelas. It is bad. The runts, the kids that take over to like nine years old. And they end up killing people.

1:00:09Yeah. Unbelievable. They have no respect for life. No understand. I mean, they're frontal cortex. This isn't even beginning to form. Yeah. They're not, you're 25 before you figure out what the fuck you're even doing with yourself. I remember riding a train in with my mom. My mom has like fiber myelogel, these joint issues. And then they like that we had to move train stations, all this stuff or like platforms or whatever. And everybody's just rushing and people are like screaming trying to get off the plane. Train so many people are getting on. People are like screaming like, please just let me get off.

1:00:37And I'm like, you know, people are going to die doing this. And then we talked with family in India. And they might have just been saying it flippantly, but they said the cheapest thing in India is a man's life. They said in Hindi, but like the idea that you just grow up around so much trauma and whatever that it's, it is what it is. When there's a billion people, that's what India has. A billion on a land according to the size of America. So quarter size of America, three times the population. Yeah. That's nuts. Dude, the point four of India's population, 1 .4 billion is bigger than America. That's nuts.

1:01:05So bigger plus a billion. That's nuts. Yeah. You have to think a quarter the size of America. And three times the population, if you really put that all together, you just like. It's crazy. What? Yeah. It's madness. And I love India and I love going back. And I also just understand how privileged I am that I was raised here. And I feel like we as immigrant kids take that for granted sometimes. Isn't it interesting how like some places just, I guess it's the older ones, right? Like think about high population places. It's China, which is like our oldest civilization. China has thrived economically for 4 ,000 years.

1:01:414 ,000 years. So of course they have a billion people. Yeah, true. I mean, obviously there's serious poverty and all sorts of problems in China, but the point is they've been a unit for 4 ,000 years. So people have been fucking. They've been fucking for 4 ,000 years so much that they had to say you could only have one kid. Yeah. And then they ruined everything. That's stupid idea. Then they ruined everything. So there's so many more men than there are women. So now they have a real problem. And then they realize that they were going to have a real problem so they started changing it and say you could have more kids.

1:02:13I think you can have three now, right? Is that what China's policy is now? Are you not worried about China as a threat to America for global dominance? I guess it's a, I can't think of a better way to say it, but are you worried about China? I think they're already one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've been infiltrated all of our universities. They give grant money. They pay for things. They buy up farmland. So smart. They've been buying up farmland around military bases. They sell America cheap cell phone towers and internet routers. They sell them cell phone towers at a discounted rate so that they can have their cell phone towers around military bases so they can listen to everything everybody fucking says.

1:02:51I mean, yeah. And then they get caught using like third party access to like Huawei got kicked out of America. Oh, that's right. Yeah, you can't forget about this or yeah. I was ready to buy a Huawei phone because Huawei at one point in time have the dopest phones. Really? Bro, their phones are so dope. Their phones are incredible. They had cameras and batteries that were so much better than iPhones or anything that was available in America at one point in time and they were just making these insane phones. And I remember them. They made a Porsche design phone. It was a Porsche design Huawei phone.

1:03:26I'm like, this is the craziest phone I've ever seen. And then also they put a ban on them. And I'm like, there must be some real shit going down. Because we like this government. Yeah, we let them get away with a lot. What does it say here, Jamie? There's a fine one you earlier was a social upbringing fee or social maintenance fee. Oh, and China if you had more than one kid. And then it says the Sichuan province abolished the three child policy making it completely. Laram parents illegally have as many children as they want. The real problem is the lack of women. It's the different. What is the population difference between men and women in China?

1:04:05I think it's like 60 something percent men. Yeah, that's yeah, that's a problem. That's a real problem because the reality, at least in America, America. America has a very high level of men who are single and have no sex. Yeah, it's pretty hard. I was one of those for a long time. Here it is. The 720 male inhabitants and 689 female. That's not too bad. That is, what is that about? That's not 60 percent. No, it's a little over 50. I think like 54, probably 53 if I had to guess. Okay. That's not too bad. China's total population decreased for the first time in decades in 2022. Population decline is expected to accelerate in the upcoming years.

1:04:55That's because of the population of women versus men. Then the gap in gender could increase because the older people didn't have the one child policy, they're going to start dying off. Exactly. In America, there was some study recently that they were talking about the amount of single men and men who don't have girlfriends. It's crazy high because everybody's got super high standards. Yeah. A chart that shows the distribution from China from 1950 to 22 and it seems like it's almost the same the whole time. Interesting. Even after they had the one child policy, didn't change at all. So it's only a 51 to 48.

1:05:36Pretty much the entire time. Interesting. Yeah, I would think of it as a whole. You get in this data from move from China. That's fair. That's fair also. No, we did it perfectly. Yeah, that's fair. Nobody died from COVID. Nobody died from COVID. We didn't create COVID. Yeah. Why are you calling it the China virus? Yeah. Fucking racist. No one's even mad at China for killing billion people. Yeah, the idea that if I criticize a government, I'm criticizing the people. Like the idea if you criticize Israel, your anti -Semitic, it's like guys, let's like all. Now, I criticize the Chinese government, Israeli government.

1:06:10I have no problem with US groups of people. Y 'all are wonderful. Government, the dollar, the dollar will nuts. Of course. Yeah. Even with America. Yeah. Absolutely. Like if you have an American flag, your racist shut up. Yeah. America is all of us. You can't let the corrupt government take your fucking flag and decide that that's a colonizer's flag. That's so stupid. That's all of us, the children of immigrants. Yes. Thousand percent. And if I go to Europe and they make fun of America, I don't think they're making fun of me. I don't think they hate Americans. I'm not like how dare you. Meanwhile, you're probably accurate.

1:06:39I'll probably laugh along with you. Tell me more shit. Yeah. You're probably right. What do you guys think is funny about us? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. We're killing each other's food. Yeah. Let's go. We are definitely doing that. Yeah. I hate to have... Become that guy. I would have become that guy. Well, Russia doesn't allow GMO foods. They don't allow it. Yeah. You have to... Everything has to be organic in Russia. I hate that. But I went to Europe and then I tasted like the food there. And not that they're the best chefs, but the quality of everything is just so much more clean and pure. And then you taste the stuff in America and you're like, oh, this is...

1:07:10They're right. This stuff sucks. It's killing us. Well, we just have so much fast, cheap food. Yeah. Fast, cheap food that's terrible for you. And that you never get satisfied. You want to keep eating it. But like, Will Silvins was telling me years ago, he went to London in like, oh, seven. I just moved to New York. We were talking. And he was like, the chicken in London is actually white. In America, it's called white meat. But it's kind of like yellowish. You ever notice? And I'm like, I guess. And then he goes, if you go to London or France or wherever and you eat the chicken, it's purely white because they don't allow you to fuck with it like they do in America.

1:07:45What are they doing to America to make it yellow? I don't know what they're doing exactly. You're the guy that researchers. I'm the guy that just talks shit. But my friend Mike Albin is just talking about this exact thing unrelated. We were just talking. He was like, dude, if you buy frozen chicken breasts in America and you look at the ingredients list, it's way more than just chicken and breasts. It's like, whatever nitrate, whatever preservative, whatever, it's just like a whole, you can do anything. The preservatives and what really fuck you. You got to imagine what is a preservative? A preservative is something that discourages bacteria from eating food.

1:08:18So what does it do to the absorption of the nutrients in your body? What does it do to your gut microbiome? What does it do to all those things? And that's something that people don't take into consideration when you eat something that has preservatives in it. You're taking into your body a thing that discourages living things. Yeah. And your food is not supposed to last on a shelf. Like if you, I'm sure you've seen those McDonald's cheeseburgers that people take. Yeah. And they put them on a shelf for like three years. Yeah, it's just sitting there ready to be. It's a two and a half one from, what was the oldest one that do you had from the 80s, I think?

1:08:50I think so. Like 30 years. It looks perfect. Yeah, it's, yeah. It looks like he bought it at noon and it's six feet. Yeah. Yeah, it looks like a six hour old cheeseburger. It doesn't look like a cheeseburger that's 30 years old. And I hate, but that is a thing I think about. If I'm like, where do I want to, God willing, we have a kid, my wife and me, where do I want to raise them? I'm like, oh, at the foundation, the food here is fucked. Do we need to leave just to get better food? You can get good food here. You just, you don't have to. Do I have to? I do like 95. That's bonkers, dude. That's so crazy.

1:09:23It doesn't look that bad. Yeah, it looks fantastic. That's 29 years old. Look at that. He's all happy with himself. Look. I got it saved. Oh, is he eating it? Is that the second looks at him eating it? He looks like he only eats that. Yeah, I think he's going to eat it. No, he's faking it. He's faking it. He's not really eating it, but that's great. He looks terrible. Yeah. Poor guy, look at him. He's been eating McDonald's the whole life. Yeah, but you know, it doesn't look terrible that hamburger. It doesn't look bad. Looks perfect. Especially for that old. Yeah. That's old as fuck. It's a 30 year old burger.

1:09:50That's crazy, dude. That's crazy. A 30 day old burger should not laugh. It should be gone. Yes. I mean, it should be gone. Like, how long would it last? Like if rats never ate it and you left it in an apartment and then society collapsed. And then, you know. It's fries and the burger from 96, it says. Wow. Wow. That's crazy. What is wrong with these people that they're keeping a burger? Yeah, that's actually a great point. Yeah, like what kind of people are these? Also, are they trustworthy? How the fuck? That's what I was just thinking. They couldn't even. Could be from Monday. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

1:10:26Bags of shit. Yeah. They're probably shit hoarders. Gotta be, too. Gotta be. Callostomy bags all the way to the roof. Have you ever seen that episode of hoarders where the lady was a shit hoarder? No, that would make me vomit for sure. It almost made me vomit. I hosted fear factor. But Gillis showed it to me. And it's horrific. I don't want to show it because we've showed it before. But watch shit hoarders. This one lady was a shit hoarder. I'm going to be honest, I will not watch that. But yeah. She was eating the shit. Oh, dude, I can't do it. I can't do it. Oh, if you watch it, it's really but.

1:11:00It's going to have one last meal in there. Yeah, she won't have one last meal when they were about to clean out the place. She's like, I've been eating poop for 20 years. It has not hurt me. Oh, my God. That's what it's hurt. Got microbiome. Like, probably better than that guy. I'm eating McDonald's. That's the thing. That's what I'm going to throw up. Just hearing about it, I'm going to throw up. I don't believe it. Oh, God. It's something about eating shit. Like, your body is just like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, have you ever done your mom's house? No, no. Okay. Your mom's house podcast, they do a live paper view show multiple times a year where they show things on camera.

1:11:36They curate these things and bring comics on it and they do sketches. It's really fun. Yeah. They show you things that you cannot see any other way. You would never be able to show it on YouTube. It would be illegal. You'd go to jail. Yeah. But you could do it in this thing because everybody's agree, and is people eating their own shit, shitting into a plate, smearing it on their dick and jerking off. Wow. Did you ever send you the thing they made for you, I think? I'm not watching. Yeah. I was just curious if you saw it. I've heard them talk about it, I think. And I don't even remember what it was.

1:12:06But they're wasting their energy on that. They're trying to make you like especially a cake of cameo types. Yeah, fuck off. I'm not watching that. You know, shitting on yourself for a rogan is crazy. Yeah, I'm sure it exists. And good luck. I'm not seeing it. I don't need to see that. I'm busy with this for you. I could have been someone else. Yeah, I'm sure it was, dude, because he knows I throw up. Yeah. Because when he had me on the show, I almost threw up like three or four times a week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I can't handle it. They're eating pizza and shit. They're so desensitized to it. It's like it's nothing.

1:12:36That's weird. Yeah. Your mom's house has been highlighting some of the most fucked up human beings that they could find on the internet for quite a long time. Do -do. What a misleading title. I know. My mom's house is such a comforting place. Do -do. I mean, yeah, I don't know why they came up with your mom's house. Where were you? I was at your mom's house. There you go. There you go. It's a talkative shit podcast. It's a fun podcast. Yeah. It's a really good podcast. Maybe next time. We're talking about both hilarious. But that paper view show that they do is rough. Yeah. Yeah. It's rough. And then the normal part is not like that.

1:13:07That's just a paper view. Yeah, but in normal part, they'll show you some fucked up things. Okay. They'll show you some fucked up things. Yeah. They're talking all shit. Yeah. But it's a crazy thing, dude. Yeah. These subcultures are so funny. Well, there's so many humans out there that are out of their fucking minds that they can gather together and get a community now. Yeah. Where, you know, if you were a guy who ate shit, good luck finding your peers. Yeah. Who's your colleagues? You hide that. Yeah. Now there's Reddit and you just find a guy who's like me too. So you're going for a chance to get the real shit.

1:13:36Oh, that's true. Yeah, you want to get the real shit. Yeah. But yeah, I put it on a plate. It's uncensored. I took a bib in. I get a knife and fork. Oh, no. Dude. I mean, shit. Like, cutting it up and scooping it with a spoon. Choking on it while it's going down. Oh, okay. Yeah. You see it stuck in between his teeth. Oh, God, dude. Good, good, good. Please, please, please, let's move on. I can't, I can't do it. I can't do it. But meanwhile, for some guys are like, oh, anybody uploaded any new shit eating content? I'm really excited. They get home and they're pumped for it. Yeah, they know this.

1:14:10The variability of human beings is so extreme. There's so many different kinds of people. That's one of the things that you realize when you do a podcast, for sure. Yeah. Because you talk to so many different people. Yeah. So many different conversations. And you realize, oh, this guy thinks different. Yeah. Oh, she's just has a different upbringing. She has a way of looking into the world that I didn't consider. Yeah. And then it's like it adds to your palate. You know, it adds to your understanding of people. Mm -hmm. Because if you just live in a small town and hang around with the same people and you don't like to go online and you go to the same bar.

1:14:45Or whatever the fuck you do, you don't know how much people vary. People vary so much, man. Yeah. There's so much variety on what it means to be a human being. Yeah. That's actually, yeah, that's very profound. Yeah. I don't think you could be some amazing person who is out there like Jose Andres, going to these crisis areas and feeding people in Palestine. And you know, that guy Jose Andres, the chef. Yeah. Amazing girl. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He owns my favorite restaurant in Vegas, which is bizarre meats. I don't know if you've ever eaten there before. I know. I have not. Next time you go to Vegas, that place is insane.

1:15:25All right. It's a full honey pot because when you walk in, they have those Argentine grills. You know what a grill works, grill is. It's like these Argentine grills where they crank them and they raise and lower over a high part wood. Yeah. So they have fire with real hardwood. Yeah. So the coals and the fires crackling, the stakes are searing and they raise them and lower them depending upon like what point the cook it is. At the beginning of the cook, you start off high like way above the flames and you slowly lower it down and sear it. You walk in the smell. Oh, it's amazing. Yeah. It's so good.

1:16:03Well, that guy who runs that places his incredible chef and he goes, he went to Ukraine. He was feeding people from Poland when the Ukrainian refugees were making when they're trying to flee Ukraine during the beginning of the war and Russian invaded and he's over in Palestine right now. Where is he now? Is he in the West Bank? But anyway, so this guy goes over there and feeds people. So you have this guy who is this incredible chef who is this beautiful human being who's like really doing something that's selfless, really doing something that's just real charity feeding people. Yeah. Delicious food because he's an incredible chef.

1:16:41And then you have shit eaters on your mom's house. You have people that are punching ladies for no reason. You have chaos. You have like the wide spectrum of humans and there's so little thought and engineering in society of trying to figure out a way to mitigate all of our problems. Yeah. Instead, we just put band -aids here and band -aids there and spend more money and hire more government workers and spend, spend, spend and nothing gets fixed. No progress at all. If the government was the private sector, like the government was a business and other people could compete to be the government.

1:17:21If like, you know, like if if iPhone sucked, androids would just take over. They would, you know, but the reason why androids are so good is because iPhones are so good and everybody for it. But if you had to have a fucking iPhone bitch, you'd have an iPhone one. They wouldn't even, they have no reason to innovate. Exactly. If everybody had a buy on iPhone, our phones would suck dick. They'd be terrible. The reason why they're good is because of competition. And government doesn't have competition. The only competition they have is other government, which is horseshit. Because it's fake. It's all like funded by the same people.

1:17:57And it's not even profit driven. Like I worked at a non -profit, not for profit organization for a few months. Just as I was a comic trying to make money and I was like, oh, no one works hard. Because there's no bottom line. There's no fear losing your job. No incentive. Government employees, they just take whatever time off they want. They don't get fired. It's the cushiest job. Every college. Super evident during the lockdowns in Los Angeles. Because the government was so flippant about closing people's businesses because they didn't lose any money. Yeah. My thought was like, listen, if you're managing a city, how about this?

1:18:31You want it incentive? How about your income is based entirely on what the GDP of your city is? Oh, that's sick. Yeah, okay. So if you go in and whatever the GDP is, let's say the GDP is $1 billion, whatever, I don't know what it is. Let's say it's that. If it dips below that, you lose money. And if it goes above that, you probably get a little piece. A little taste. Yeah. And you don't have to make speeches for $250 ,000 in your office. It's done. No Hillary. Nobody wants to hear you talk for $250 ,000. That's crazy. That's bribery. You guys made deals. Even if it's not a said deal, it's an understanding.

1:19:13I also, I don't know if this is a reason, none of these, I don't know if they're reasonable, but the idea of getting re -elected, I was like at some point I was like, oh, they're just, they don't care about making the city better. They just want to get re -elected. So I'll go to these special interest groups who I know will vote for me. This voting block that I know will vote for me. I'll make them happy and I'll get re -elected. If you just gave a president or whoever won six to eight year term, but one term and then you're out, I think it would help mitigate a lot of the useless stuff that they do.

1:19:37Slightly, but you would still get the vice president taking over afterwards. They would set that person up. They would make sure they maintain power. They'd try to keep the same staff. The thing about Biden right now, people like why does Biden want to run again? Even if he doesn't really want to run again, his staff wants him to run again. Because if he doesn't run again, if he doesn't win, they're all out of jobs. So, if you're that lady who's the White House press secretary, you're a fucked. Who the hell is going to hire you? The next person is not going to hire you to be the White House press secretary.

1:20:05You're terrible. You have to stay there. But you get a job doing something from White House press secretary, they're not going to be like, hey, Walmart is higher and greeter. There's a lot of them female admirals, those fucking fake female admirals. A lot of those people that you see in the White House, the head of health, whatever the fuck that person is. That person ain't getting a job after Biden gets rid of them. You think Trump's going to hire that guy? Yeah, I just figured there's something out, maybe outside of government, but something. They got to keep that job. They want to keep that job.

1:20:31All those people that are working in the administration, they're working very hard to keep that job. And that's why you see all this crazy pressure on Trump. That's a big part of it. Big part of it is because he's going to crack heads. So, there's a lot of united people trying to keep him out. Yeah. I think, I was saying this on stage or something, but Trump, I didn't have a problem with Trump, but the noise that Trump brought, I was like, I don't want it anymore. I don't, it's just too much infighting. I feel like he's learned. There's like a Trump 2 .0 as of now where he's like, let me just not say the race baiting shit.

1:21:01And let me just keep it here. And I think most people, casuals are like, I could get on board with this guy. Well, also the race baiting shit is a little bit more effective now. They let in 30 million people. Oh, thank you. If you want to talk about the fears of immigration, now people see it. They see the real consequences. I mean, they're letting murderers out. No bail. The whole thing is wild. They're getting accused of murder. They're getting arrested and then they let them right out. Yeah. This is a wild fucking time. And no one wants to be in law enforcement. No one wants that job. It's a hard job.

1:21:36Nobody cares about you. They treat you like you're the fucking enemy. Nobody respects you. I'm taking your word for all those people. I'm very blissfully ignorance. So I'm just taking your word for all this right now. You're selling me. I don't know. Well, you know that the defund the police thing. Yeah. Yeah, that was great. So then there's this attitude that the police were of the problem. Yeah. And it crazed like one instance captured by one person to the camera. And it just starts a fire. Keg. Yeah. Well, look, I've been with a, I was with a Damien Lemon Black comedian friend of mine. And he got like I was with him when we got racially profiled.

1:22:08He was going, they pulled him over. They're like, you're doing 24. Search the car, brought other cops. They were searching me. Like, do you have any drugs? I was, I was like, I've never done a drug in my life. And he was like, you better be honest right now. This is your chance. They sit us on the curb. We go home and then I look up. I'm like, they kept saying we're doing 24. What's the thing with 24? I looked up just Google 24 miles an hour in New York City. The speed limit was 25. So he was under the speed limit. And they still pulled us over. Whole thing. Now he had one of these. Wait a minute.

1:22:34Wait a minute. Wait a minute. It pulled him over for going under the speed limit. Here's not a 20. There's not a 20 zone. Apparently it's 25. From what I Google, there's 25. But even 24 to 20. It's like crazy. Yeah, who's pulling you over? How do you know? Yeah. Especially if you have a fast car. Like you got to look down every five seconds. Yeah, exactly. And so the one thing I think they were bothered by is a fan of his who was a cop gave him like the New York City vest that you can park wherever you want to. And so he was just parking. And they were upset about that. But like 24. And then calling backup cars and all that.

1:23:03I was like, there's something here racial going on. I've never had this. I've had a racist thing after 9 .11, maybe one or two. But like that I was like, oh, I see why this is. And he was just, this was not that unusual for him. I was like, this is crazy. And he was like, what can you do? And racial profiling is 100 % legit. Yeah. So I think when you see these stories, Philano Castillo, I think was his name and the George Floyd or whatever, I think black people are like, I've been through that. And I've been trying to tell you that happens. And y 'all don't want to listen to me. Now you're seeing it.

1:23:32And then the storm comes. Anybody that denies it happens, you're denying humans. You're not trying human nature. You know how people are. The real root of that is poverty and crime and gangs and drugs. And no one's doing anything to stop that. They're not doing a goddamn thing to stop that. And hiring more cops is, you know, train them better. Do everything you have to do. Make sure that the cops are taken care of. But gotta fix the problem. You know, fix the problem. It's just gonna keep happening over and over and over again. We had this guy on a long time ago that was a cop in Baltimore. And while he was a cop in Baltimore and his whole thing was about understanding the systemic racism involved in policing.

1:24:14And that he didn't really realize it. And he was pretty honest about it. I was one of the bad guys until he kind of dawned on me what was going on. I was the cop that didn't give a shit about the people. You know, I was a guy who'd chase people down the yellow. But then over time, one of the things that they found, they found a police ledger, like they found a, you know, a report of crime in the area in the 1970s. It was like some old file. And he's going through this old file. He was like, oh my God, it's the same crimes in the same place. But it's 40 years ago. Like this is fucking insane. This is insane.

1:24:50Like how is this possible? How is it like 1970, the same crimes are here today. This is nuts. And then he realized like, oh my God, this is like, this is a broken system. And then there's the whole red lining thing. You wouldn't, if you were black, you couldn't buy homes in certain areas. Like they had systemic racist practices and then they never did anything about it and then they had horrible policing. And then, you know, the wire, you got fucking gangs and drugs and chaos. And he realized it. It was like, oh my God, like this is a broken system. And so then he just started talking, going on podcasts and talking to people about it.

1:25:26What was it? Did he have a proposed solution to fixing the system? I mean, he's a cop. I mean, I don't know if that's his thing. I probably had some ideas. I don't remember honestly, I've talked to too many people. But someone's got to do something. Yeah, I don't know what you would do to do it. But it would be a long process. If you think about, like you got to go all the way back to Jim Crow, so you go to slavery and then what happens after slavery? Well, they don't have slavery anymore, but you know what they do do? They lock up black men for almost nothing and then force them to be slaves in prison.

1:25:57And they create things, they work on the fucking chain gang. All that shit is slavery. And they would find ways to prosecute. We know it's a day. I've done a ton of podcasts with Josh Dubin who used to work with the Innocence Project. And now he's got his own thing with the Ike Pro Mudder Center. But they find people that are wrongfully convicted and help them get out. We've got a bunch of those guys come on the podcast, including one guy who came on, who was actually guilty. He was guilty before and we knew he was guilty but he got 50 years. And then he was talking about, he turned his life around and there's like a month after he was on the podcast.

1:26:35How long was it after he was on the podcast? Two months? Maybe two months? Cut some dudes head off. And he was wearing a blonde wig and at home he didn't understand new HD security cameras. Like this dude put a blonde wig, I think I crystal clear footage of him with his goatee on wearing a blonde wig carrying some dudes head. How sold were you in the room with him? How good was he at selling himself as this reformed person? Well, you know, what does it mean? Okay, so he didn't kill anybody in jail and then he's out now. And he's got this new lease on life and he's out. And he, you know, he's trying to do something different when it's life.

1:27:14When you listen to his explanation of what happened why he went to jail. So he was a drug dealer. And he had gone to jail before and some dude owed him money. Some dude, some drug deal and the guy was like, fuck you. So he found the guy and he pissed a whipped him. And he robbed him. And he got 50 years for that. Right. And it was, he was a habitual criminal for sure. So we should have gotten 50 years for that. Well, I don't know. I mean, it seems like, it seems like when he got out, he was kind of a bad guy. But was he, was that because he spent 25 fucking years in jail? Cause he was 20, I think he did 25 years for the left 24 before they let him out, which is an insane amount of time to be locked up in a prison and then expect to acclimate.

1:28:03So you're saying did prison make him much worse? Yeah, prison make him much worse. Cause it certainly can with some people. But we've had people on that were innocent and prison made them amazing. I mean, something about like the, the constant studying and the accepting your situation in life, even though you were innocent. And then a lot of those guys got released. And it's crazy to see them like they lost 20 years of their life for something that was bullshit, complete bullshit. And then you find out the cops and the prosecutors who were involved in their case had done that to many, many, many people.

1:28:35That's another thing that people need to take into consideration. How fucking dirty some people involved in prosecuting and convicting people are. You remember that guy in Pennsylvania? There was a guy in Pennsylvania who was a judge, he went to jail because it turns out that he was getting paid to have kids arrested and sentenced them into juvenile centers. Wow. So he was getting kicked back. He was getting kicked back from the center. So the state has to pay for the population, right? And then you have private prisons, which is even more sinister. Because then it's not just the incentive of the people that are working in the prison and the prison guards union, which is a real thing.

1:29:13Prison guards unions work to stop marijuana laws from being really, yeah. Cause they want people to get arrested so that people go to jail. So they have jobs, which is fucking crazy to think. But private prisons make money off people being incarcerated. If you make money off a person being incarcerated, now you have an incentive for incarcerating people. And just like pharmaceutical drug companies have an incentive to give you drugs you might not even need. Yeah, 1000%. Because they make money doing that. And if you're a private prison, you don't even have to treat them that well cause they're prisoners who's really gonna get upset.

1:29:47I'm never have so few people that we're not gonna take seriously. So if I don't, if their condition suck, it's prison. They're prisoners. Why do I need to treat them well? Nobody cares. I mean, there's people that complain, but listen, there's some horrific conditions in prisons right now in this country. And different prisons have different conditions. And people know it and they try to get transferred to a prison that's lighter. Yeah. It's not really necessarily a correctional facility. It's called that, but word, name is not correcting. It's, it's crazy. Yeah. It's crazy when you look at the rest of the world, like how many more people in the United States incarcerates.

1:30:17There is a business. Capitalism has flaws. And one of the flaws of capitalism is that if you have something that generates income from a specific action, it's going to encourage that action. It wants more of that. And then if it's making tremendous amounts of money, like the private prison complex, you're going to be able to manipulate things. You're gonna be able to, yeah. Like you said, same thing. Yeah, everybody's gotta take the drug. And then every other drug demonize it. Go on television, tell people it's veterinary medicine. I mean, we saw it. We saw it in real time. We saw, we saw the devil.

1:30:51We really saw the devil. We saw the real thing. Yeah. And, you know, and now they're forced to admit it. I mean, even the fucking CDC, how to take down some insane amount of tweets that they were talking about Iver Mechden. Really? They had a, they lost in court. They had to take it down. Yeah. The whole thing was FDA or CDC. I also don't, I'm not sure that they, well, they took down a bunch of it. What do you think in, what's going through your brain when CNN is doing that? Like in real time, when you're looking at you and being like, that's not what I looked like. What are you thinking in that moment as it's happening?

1:31:24Like the first thought as you're struggling. Like this will, this will work for a little bit till I start talking. Okay. Because this is not gonna, like, first of all, they didn't understand that I'd way more people to listen to my podcast than they have. Way more. Yeah. So also, also, like that's crazy. If you think you're gonna make me look yellow. Like they're, the video's still on my Instagram. You fucking idiots. Everybody could see what I really looked like. I was better in three days. Yeah. And you're upset, but because one of the medications that my fucking doctor prescribed, I talked about a stack of medications that I took.

1:31:58I wasn't on TV saying, hey kids, you don't need to get vaccinated. Just take a hypermectant. Now, all I said was, I got COVID. I can't go to the, I was doing shows with Chappelle that weekend. I can't go because I have COVID, but I feel great. I took this, we threw the kitchen sink at it and I feel better. And then I was like, Rogan's taking a veterinary medication. And you were canceling the show, which is what you're supposed to do. Yeah. I immediately realized like, wow, this is how dirty it really is. This was the same verbiage everywhere. Horse dewormer. It was something that was, they were saying it to make you look foolish.

1:32:29They weren't saying a medicine that won the Nobel Prize. A medicine that's been used in, it's part of the World Health Organization's list of essential medicines. A medicine that's been prescribed billions of times. They weren't saying anything. I'm medicine with a safe, one of the safest drug profiles known. We weren't saying that. I didn't know any of this. Horse dewormer. Cause the cash, they were, they were banking on the idea that the casual observer doesn't understand how corrupt everything is and that they could just feed them bad information. But in the age of the internet, when the government says things and everybody knows that it's not true or when the media says things and everybody knows that it's not true, it doesn't work forever.

1:33:09It works in the beginning. And there's still people out there that think I took veterinary medicine. There's still people that think I was an idiot for taking Ivermectra. There's a bunch of people that do, they're surface level readers. They read headlines. They watch a quick clip on CNN. That's their consumption of media. But most people are not like that anymore. Most people have a real keen understanding that these people were like viciously corrupt and coordinated. And when they coordinated in that way, it was such a dumb checkers move in a chess game. It's just a stupid move. You're playing TikTok, too.

1:33:44This is retarded. Similar to what people are feeling about the Trump prosecution. Like you're trying to make this guy look bad and it's only gonna make me like him more. Also, you're doing it in a city that's overrun with crime where women are getting punched in the face on the street. You're, you're, you're, you know, you've got people pushing people in front of trains. You've got so many real criminals that you're just letting out a jail with no bail. Like this is so fun. Because we talk about this on the pod and I don't, again, I see what I will see is like I see more people just doing heroin on this street, which is crazy.

1:34:15You see him doing heroin? You see him and actively shooting up. I don't feel super unsafe. There's a couple blocks in Manhattan, lower, I guess, the low, like not like 100s and below, where I'm like a walk around a lot and I'm like, I be careful in these blocks. But for the most part, I don't feel it. You remember back in the day when you'd go to the McDonald's on McDougal right by the cellar, you'd walk into there and you'd be like, keep just having a head on a swivel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a few blocks in New York where I feel that way now, but largely I feel okay. I don't and again, I'm a guy that's like, I'm a mark.

1:34:48So let's have your head on a swivel. But I don't feel that as much walking through the city. It is definitely the heroin thing is wild. But it is different, right? It feels different. I also think maybe I was privileged to move in the safest time New York is probably ever seen. I got moved in, oh wait, I would walk home from New York comedy club, which was on like 23rd and 2nd to my apartment on 50th and 8th. And one in the morning barely even think about it. You'd walk that far? Yeah, it's just how long did it take? That's 45 minutes, like a 45 minute walk. That's a little exercise. Yeah, yeah, a little exercise.

1:35:19You just walk off kind of the adrenaline or just whatever. Actually, it's probably good for going over your material. Yeah, and then you're going over your set, you're just taking it all in, taking some time. It was a great walk. It's peaceful at night. It's in New York is rarely peaceful. So it's just quiet. Now I don't know if I would do that, but back then it was just like, wasn't even a thought. And it was so safe. I really probably took for granted how safe New York was back then. And now I don't think it's as safe, but it's not the 70s or 80s for sure. Yeah, it's not the 70s. I went there in the 80s.

1:35:50I went there for a karate tournament in like 19. I had to be like 86, 87 somewhere around then. And I remember thinking like this place is nuts. Yeah. We went through Times Square. I was like, this is nuts. I heard Times Square was just like hookers and drugs. It was like keep shows. Yeah. Just weirdo. Yeah. And now it's an M &M store. You ever see that movie? Was it, what was the movie with Dustin Hoffman and John Voight? I don't know. Was it Midnight Cowboy? Was about like gay hustlers in New York. Yeah, Midnight Cowboy. But that's like Times Square. When people thought of Times Square, they thought like these nudy movie theaters and peep shows and just CD, drug dealers, weirdos.

1:36:35Now it's all like fucking, yeah, there it is. Good fucking movie man. I haven't watched that movie in forever. Small time con man. Yeah, they made some artistic movies back then that I just didn't realize. Like, was the movie not just a surfer go. There's a one where Al Pacino's a dog day afternoon maybe where he's robbing the bank or something. And he's trying to pay for his boyfriend's sex change operation. I'm like, that movie being around back then, boom, I mind. Cause I assume they were so conservative that movie would not be an Al Pacino -led film. Well, that was actually a true story. I didn't know that, but...

1:37:06Yeah, a dog day afternoon is based on a true story. I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In my brain, this was such a puritanical time in entertainment that a movie, even if it's a true story like this would never get made. Well, I think you could make that movie today. Today for sure, but again, I, you think society's gotten so much more progressive and entertainment has gotten so much more liberal. Now this movie makes perfect sense. Yeah. And it's about trans acceptance and all this stuff. And this was just a movie. It's not just that. Now it's in vogue. You know, it's like Hollywood has no soul. They're not like, we're being more progressive.

1:37:40They just like think this is, oh, the wind's going down. Yes. Let's go that way. Everyone should be trans. Like South Park said, they get a chicken, make a gay. Yeah, absolutely do. Absolutely. I, yeah. I'm so glad we have, as comics realize, we don't need that validation anymore. We got lucky, dude. We got lucky because of this thing that's going on right now. Well, actually, I think this thing that's going on right now couldn't be going on right now without the influence of the internet. The internet has created this mind virus that's sweeping through college campuses. And also the universities and the Marxist philosophies that they've been pushing in universities because they've all been infiltrated by Russia, by the former Soviet Union, and now by China and Russia together, for sure they're influencing.

1:38:24They push the weakest teachers, the weakest professors, the nuttiest policies, and they're literally doing it to deteriorate the fabric of American democracy. They have plans for it. They've thought about it. Like Yuri Besmanov talked about this in 1984. I've seen that clip, it's crazy. Corraze! It's crazy. When you watch it today, they were right. It's very prophetic. He did it. Yeah. They did it. Thousand percent. But, you know, the internet came along and threw gasoline on all those plans. And made it much more chaotic. But in doing so, it also created this other thing, luckily. Because I think this other thing that we're doing right now, podcasts being completely unregulated, and being on even platforms that are corporate platforms like YouTube, pretty fucking unregulated.

1:39:16No one's in flagrant. No one's sitting down with you guys, making sure you don't say anything wild. You upload it, and if you say something too wild, they'll flag it or they'll demonetize you. But that could not have existed in any other time. And so in the time where you have the most extreme, polar social issues, and then you also have the most freedom of speech. Yeah. And even though they're trying to crack down on it with a lot of these, I mean, I don't know how much you paid attention to the Twitter files. Did you pay attention to any of that, Shae? Little bit. Little bit. Fucking government was literally trying to censor true information that was on Twitter.

1:39:54And they were successful. They infiltrated. They, the intelligence agencies infiltrated various different social media platforms. And if it wasn't for Elon, we wouldn't know. We would not know. If it wasn't for Matt Taiibi and all those people that, like, and Michael Schellenberger, Barry Weiss, and all those people who went through the Twitter files and were like, look at this. This is crazy. This is crazy. You wouldn't know that the actual government itself is trying to sculpt the way people are allowed to disseminate information and see the world. Yeah, because they've always been able to control everything.

1:40:29And now it's like, well, we can control a little bit here and there. I do what we can do. Tucker Carlson on the other day and explained to me Watergate. Yeah. And I was like, what? Like Watergate, there was an intelligence officer who became a reporter. And that's Bob Woodward. Oh, I didn't know who he was. That was his intelligence officer. Young guy became a report, like right away, first assignment, which never happens. Bernstein. Which never happens. Yeah, never happens. Yeah. The people that broke into the office, CIA agents, CIA informants, CIA employees, and then Gerald Ford was on the Warren commission.

1:41:11And he was the only one that they would accept for Richard Nixon's vice president. The other guy, Spiro Agnew, they hid him with, I think it was tax evasion. So he's out. They get rid of him and then they get Nixon in there and then they get him with this whole Watergate. And then they get rid of him. And then he was the most apparently, he was the most popular president in US history. And he won the election by the largest margin in US history. Wow. And they got rid of him in two years. And it was a complete coup. Like they took him out. Nixon. Yes. And one of the, well, what Tucker was saying, I don't know if this is true, but what Tucker was saying was that Nixon was a, he was very interested in the Kennedy assassination.

1:41:53And he had said to the head of the CIA, I know why they killed JFK. Wow. And he's had nothing. He just stared at him. He was, yeah, apparently it's on video, or it's on video or audio or whatever it is. You could, so he was just explaining to me. I never known that. I thought Nixon was corrupt. These intrepid reporters, he's fucking really, go getters. They busted him and they printed this thing. And wow, we caught him. He's a crook. I still tend to believe that one more. I was, I'm not going to research. I'll be honest. I want to pretend I'm going to research it, but. You have to research it.

1:42:29If you just listen to what Tucker said, yeah, just listen to what he actually said about it. We can play it for you. Do we have a clip of that? Is there a clip of that? If you want, if you listen to what he's saying, you're like, wait, what? Like I didn't know that. I remember watching all the presidents, men, and being like, oh, I see how journalism was important. These two guys just changed the course of global history. Bro, that might as well be a Chuck Norris movie. Yes. That should stay fiction, son. I'll break my heart, dude. My wife got a master's in journalism. I'm like, yo, what an important job this could be.

1:43:03But it is an important job. No, real journalism is very important. And real journalism is critical for people to understand. Yeah. But I think a lot of the real journalism now is happening independently. It's these people that they publish on substack and they have a large following because people like Glenn Greenwald. People know that they can trust them. They're going to give you the straight dope, whether or not it's uncomfortable for you or not. That's real journalism. That's really important. But as soon as you start working for a massive corporate entity like the New York Times or any other one, Washington Post, figure out what it is.

1:43:35And that's where the Woodward and Bernstein, they were working for the Washington Post, please. Do you find it? Yeah. OK, check this out.

1:43:50Well, the New York Times does that all the time. But the bizarre that they wouldn't have an issue with the government tapping into your phone. They work for the government. Are you kidding? The New York Times? Yeah, the New York Times is a conduit for the lives of government. That's what it is. It's their tool. And they're perfectly aware of that. I used to write for the New York Times as a freelancer. I mean, I've been around the New York Times a lot. And there are a lot of really smart people there, even for sure, even now. I would less so now. But there's still, I think, smart people there.

1:44:18There are. I know some. And they know. But they think that that, you know, it's worth it because they're bringing information. I don't know what they think, actually. But no, they're tools of power. And that's like the one thing that you're not allowed to be. Even if you think the power is good, like maybe they all support the agenda of the US government destabilizing the world and impoverishing their own population. Maybe they're on board with that. Even if they are, they shouldn't do it because the job of the media, the press, is to keep power in check. You are kind of like the seatbelt, right?

1:44:56You know, you make sure that things don't go too far. So, and they're not doing that. They're acting as a willing handmade. When do you think that's wished? I think it's been the case for a long time. I mean, if you look at what happened in Richard Nixon, which I, of course, did not understand at all, Richard Nixon was taken out by the FBI and CIA. And with the help of Bob Woodward, who was a Washington Post reporter, who had been a Naval Intelligence Officer, working in the White House, working in the Nixon White House. And then he shows up like a year later, and he's this brand new reporter.

1:45:37He'd never been a journalist at all. He's a Naval Intel Officer, the famous Bob Woodward, we all reviewer, and he's at the Washington Post. And somehow he gets the biggest story in the history of the Washington Post. He's the lead guy in that story. Well, I worked at a newspaper, I've been in the news business my whole life. That is not how it works. You don't take a kid like his first day from a totally unrelated business and put him on the biggest story. But he was. He was that guy. And who is his main source for Watergate? Oh, the number two guy at the FBI. Oh, so you have the Naval Intelligence Officer working with the FBI official to destroy the president.

1:46:16OK, so that's a deep state coup. What else, how would you describe that? If that happened in Guatemala, what would you say? And yet the way it was framed and the way that I accepted for decades was, oh, this intrepid reporter fought power. No, no, no. This intrepid reporter, Bob Woodward, was a tool of power, secret power, which is the most threatening kind, to bounce the single most popular president in American history, Richard Nixon, from office before the end of his term and replace him with who? Oh, Gerald Ford, who sat on the Warren Commission. Now, how did Gerald Ford get to be Richard Nixon's vice president?

1:46:52Well, because Carl Albert, the Democrat Speaker of the House, told him you must choose him. We will only confirm him when they sent the actual elected vice president away for tax evasion, Spiro Agnew, of Maryland. So you have a complete set up. Like, Gerald Ford, the only unelected president of American history, actually sat on the Warren Commission. Something else that I accepted at face value until I looked at it, I was like, that's completely insane. You didn't want to interview Jack Ruby in your investigation of the assassination? OK, you're fake. Yeah, he was on the Warren Commission. And so, sorry, for the long story, but the point is, like, that happened in front of all of us, but the way it was framed cloaks the obvious reality of it.

1:47:36The people who broke into the Watergate office building from which the name has taken Watergate. I think it was six of them or seven of them. All but one was a CIA employee. That's real. It's like, look it up on Google. So the whole thing, Richard Nixon was elected by more votes than any president in American history in the 1972 election. He was the most popular by votes, which is the only way we can really measure popularity, the most popular president. In his reelection campaign, and two years later, he's gone. Undone by a Naval Intel officer, the number two guy at the FBI and a bunch of CIA employees.

1:48:15You tell me what that is. Those are the facts. Those are not disputed facts. That's not cracked pocket. Wild. Yeah, I mean, I need to look into this. I just wild. Yeah, I need to look into it too. He said it. I'm taking it at face value. And I'm just telling everybody. I'm not taking it at face value. I'm not taking it at face value because he said it. That's why it's been confirmed by other people to me. Oh, really? Yeah, that's true. It's crazy. He didn't lie if he lied. He'd been real trouble and the people be saying what he saying is not true. That's fair. A bunch of stories written about it.

1:48:47That's fair. No, that's actually what happened. I, we talk about this on Flake. We had Vivek Ramaswamy on the pod. And again, he's great. I think he's a very poor communicator of his message. Really? Yeah, because he'll talk about the deep state and all these things that when if you're like me, who's a casual guy who I think is a larger percentage of guys that really want them, who really want to do the research, they're like, this is deep state, deep state. And he'll talk about it as if it's a conspiratorial, dark sinister rub their hands together kind of. And he's like, no, basically it's just bureaucracy.

1:49:19There's a lot of unnecessary jobs in the government. I just want to cut the fat out. And we might lose some muscle by cutting it out. But I think these people are just kind of like, they're parasites, bureaucrats, just unnecessary jobs. And they are controlling things in a way that is just for self preservation. And they think they know what's best for us, but they don't. And it's kind of arrogant, but it's like, well meaning, well intended. I think they frame it in that it's best for us. He's like, I really sell preservation. Yeah, but he said, I think they truly believe. And it's kind of like an elitist thing where they're like, these people don't know what's good for them.

1:49:51We know it's good for them, which is very snobby, but the intention is we know what's good for them. Let's do this. And maybe at the root, it's self interest. But if he called it the managerial class or bureaucracy instead of the deep state, I think people would listen more. They'd be more inclined to be like, let's see what this guy has to say. But a president talking about the deep state is a tough sell to the large majority of people. It is, but it like rings truth, Trump people. Yeah, deep state. Like that's a good statement. You like that sound. And if he can get on a platform where he can really put his thought, because I think his brain just functions at a high level, I think he thinks this is how we're going to hear it.

1:50:26He's like, you know what I mean? Like, oh, these people aren't as smart to me. They need to hear deep state. That's what's going to work. Well, he's also, what is he? 38? Yeah, he's 38, I think. That's very young. Yes, incredibly young. So he's learning this, this is his first jaunt, right? This is his first expedition in public speaking in front of the whole world about important issues. Yeah. He's going to learn from that. Just like we're saying, there's Trump 2 .0. Maybe Vivek 2 .0 in, you know, 2028. Vivek 2 .0, great. Vivek 3 .0, that guy's going to be fantastic. Also, Vivek 2 .0 being his 40s, which is easier to get.

1:51:00Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just get a little grain is here. That's a little bit of life experience. Little life experience. Because I'm 39, I don't know shit man. You know, I mean, how can a guy your age be present? That's crazy. Buddy, I could barely run a household. What are we talking about? Exactly, right? This guy's younger than you and he wants to be the president in the United States. That's insane. Yeah, but I do think once he put it like that, I was like, oh, that's a guy I would vote for. I just want to get rid of the unnecessary jobs. My wife's both parents will work for the government, state government.

1:51:26They don't do anything. The thing is, if all that stuff that Tucker saying was true in the 1970s, in 1972 or 74, they're still doing that. They're going to do it to him. It's probably what they're doing to Trump. There's an element of that, folks. Even if you fucking hate Trump, you should be very concerned about this stuff. Because if this sets a precedent, if you can prosecute your political opponents and Republicans start doing it, you're going to be furious too. If all of a sudden, so he gets out and then there's a new political guy, and let's imagine that Trump wins, and then it's Gavin Newsom.

1:52:01And then the Trump administration starts going after Gavin Newsom and bringing him into court. And having Republican judges run him up on charges. Like if that Republican prosecutors go after him, that's not good. That's not good for the country. It's not good for anybody. Yeah, and you're all going to feel the same. The same people who are in 2016, like Hillary got the election stolen because of Russia. In 2020, we're like, shut up Trump supporters. You guys are crazy. It just flips. Yep. And you guys are going to feel the exact same way if whoever you like on the Democrat side wins, and then they do this.

1:52:31People have to understand that almost every election for the past 20 years has been disputed. There was the John Kerry election. That was disputed. I remember Trump, I'm not sorry, it's our Bush and Care. And Al Gore. Gore, the dangling participles. Yeah, it was. Hanging chance. It's dangling participles. It's word phrase. That's hilarious. It sells just as dumb. Yeah. Yeah, the hanging chance. Oh, that's stupid shit. You know what, it's crazy. I think there's a Bush one Florida, about like 500 votes. And the, I think about like domino effect and the domino effect of that is insane. Because eight years of Bush has got us eight years of Obama.

1:53:13I think people were so done with Bush that they were like, let's give a black guy a shot. And then eight years of that, the white people that were kind of angry about Obama getting elected. We're like, fuck this, let's go to the guys that can piss them off. The most Trump gets elected. I feel like the domino effect of those 533 votes is crazy. It's also Iraq and Afghanistan. Oh, yes, absolutely. Yeah, it's invasion. It invades the initial invasion of Afghanistan. In the initial invasion of Iraq. Yeah, for sure, absolutely. No proof of that whatsoever. Just 533 votes changed history forever. Yeah.

1:53:43That's one of the wildest ones that's ever been done. The weapons of mass destruction. That's a wild one. And that no one went to jail for that. No one got in trouble for that. Like, wow, how can you do that? I, yeah. None of us questioned. Can you imagine? I remember in college, one guy being like, this isn't real. And we were all like, what are you talking about? He was like, this is George Bush senior. What word at his dad fight? Iraq and Iraq, oh, fuck yeah. I didn't even think about that. And then you have George Bush, the one that won in whatever was with the dangling chads, then you have 9 -11, right?

1:54:17So he was a super unpopular president in September. And he gets 9 -11 happens, and then all sudden everybody's on his side. And the whole country's united. And then all sudden we're invading Iraq like a year later, like what? Yeah. Like what the fuck is going on? And that is, I remember when the election was happening, there were like no wartime president loses. Right. Bush is gonna win a second term, and he won. And when Bush's dad was in office, when the first initial invasion of Iraq, that was a weird one too, because it was like, Iraq invaded Kuwait, and then we invaded Iraq, and then we stopped short of overthrowing him.

1:54:58Yeah. It was weird. Like we'll leave you there, we're gonna get out of there. Yeah. I was just, you know, in terms of just struck me, remember Patriot missiles? I was five years old, and we had to hear about Patriot missiles, and I was like, that's fucking awesome, man. Patriot missiles were such good guys. And they had scuds, which sound wild. Yeah, exactly. Scud, yeah. The marketing of shitty ass missiles you got. Great marketing though, honestly. In 1990 Patriot missiles, yeah, we're gonna kill thousands of innocent people, but patriotism, they also, they did a lot of practicing then. Yeah.

1:55:28They used stuff that they weren't supposed to use. And one of the things they did was depleted uranium rounds, really, which is go right through tanks. They fucked tanks up. But the problem with depleted uranium rounds is it creates horrific radiation. And all these soldiers were like, going through the wreckage of these things and picking up pieces of it and bringing it home as souvenirs and radiation sickness was a giant factor. They called it Gulf War syndrome after the first war, after Desert Storm. For our soldiers, for a massive amounts of miscarriages and childbirth defects and people got sick.

1:56:09And they called it Gulf War syndrome and they were denied. They were denied, but they were denying that it was real until investigative journalists dug into it and found out that it was most likely the result of depleted uranium rounds. Jesus Christ, man. Yeah, apparently depleted uranium is the shit. If you wanna like fuck up tanks and stuff, like it just shoots right through them. Use this weapons because it's so dense, it self ignites at high temperatures and pressures and because it becomes sharper as it penetrates armor plating according to the International Atomic Energy Agency. As depleted uranium penetrator strikes a target, its surface temperature increases dramatically according to Oak Ridge Associated Universities, Museum of Radiation and Radioactivity.

1:56:54Wow. That's crazy. So it's like the ultimate round for like stopping tanks. Just goes through them like butter. Boom. And but the problem is it's depleted uranium is like insanely toxic. Yeah. And so Google like whatever happened with Gulf War syndrome. I'm in the article I'm looking at is from a recent, we sent some to Ukraine recently. What does it say? Oh, we sent some to Ukraine, of course. We probably got a bunch laying around. When they made it illegal. Yeah. Pentagon said it will send depleted uranium armor piercing ammunition to Ukraine as a part of its new assistant package a step senior Russian official called a criminal act.

1:57:35Here's a look at the concerns. Wow. And I just just saw big gaps in here. So this is now, but is Google Gulf War syndrome cause?

1:57:49Man, the fallout from just serving our side in war. Chemical warfare, particularly nerve gap. Okay, possible causes of Gulf War syndrome, possible causes include chemical warfare agents, particularly nerve gas or pry, what's that word? Pryodostic mean bromide, which is given as a preventive measure to soldiers likely to be exposed to chemical warfare agents. So that might have fucked him up too. Psychological factors such as post traumatic stress disorder. But what about Google Gulf War syndrome depleted uranium? Just do instead of cause just depleted uranium.

1:58:32Depleted uranium is both a chemotoxic and radio toxic element. Depleted uranium maybe one of the causes for the so -called Gulf War illness proposed effects of depleted uranium maybe especially harmful if mitochondrial DNA is damaged. Depleted uranium caused Gulf War syndrome. Click on that was that so. The illness suffered by soldiers who took part in the Gulf War syndrome was not caused by inhaling depleted uranium according to a scientific study. Instead, researchers believe Gulf War syndrome maybe due to soldiers being exposed to the nerve agent Saren. So there's probably a bunch of misinformation that's put out by official people in regards to that.

1:59:15But I would imagine that would play a factor. If depleted uranium was used and I know that a lot of the people, one of the things that they talked about, there was a documentary done on Gulf War syndrome and these people that were actually going through the wreckage of tanks wound up getting it. And they were talking about it that they didn't know. Yeah, they're a burn pits that you're talking about. That's a big one. Yeah, that's a big one. He's such a hero for actually bringing his engine to that. The burn pits were greatest. That's fucking terrifying that they would burn all their stuff and anybody would be downwinded out, be breathing in toxic fumes.

1:59:48I have some buddies who served over there and they would talk about how horrific it was. Really? Man, that's what I'm saying. Even if you survive war, you come home. Who know, you're gonna have Gulf War syndrome. I also like how little do they give a fuck about you if they burn toxic shit and it goes downwind and just runs through the camp? Being a government, I think this is why there's like some level of sociopathy involved. Is you have to be okay with this baseline level of innocent death, I think? It's just what it is. And that's a crazy thought. Well, that's the justification for Israel bombing Palestine.

2:00:19You have to be this is war and this is a and it's Hamas's fault that those innocent people are there like, yo, not our fault. That is a crazy way to think. People, hey, this is what war is all about. Like, says who? Says the only way to do war. Is this the only way that this can actually be done? There's no other way that takes longer and kills less innocent people? No way. This is it, the only way. You want a swat fly? You got a swat fly with a fly swat. That's it. It's also easy to talk like that when you're on the winning side of it. Or you're not anywhere near it. Oh, we're not near here. Yeah.

2:00:52Yeah, you're here in America. Yeah. I was watching some video footage that I thought was legit and it's not and it's, I sent it to Shane Gillis and then I realized after I sent it to him, hey, man, I think this is a fucking video game. I think it's not.

2:01:09But let me show you because it's so crazy because it seems so, it's a YouTube but it seems so realistic. I'm stunned by how good video games are now. Check this out, Jamie. I just sent it to you. Remember the ghost of Kiev we were reading about when the Ukraine and Russia war started? Yeah, it was a fucking video game. Video game footage. I bought it and I was like, this guy's awesome. Bro, this looks so good. This looks so good. I thought this was like some high resolution government footage where they were just showing you what they can do now. Look at this. Oh yeah, they don't. Go full screen.

2:01:44Cause this is, this looks so dope. Look at this. Oh shit.

2:01:51By the way, now looking at it on a big screen. It looks like I got a my phone. It looks like a video game. Yeah, that was gonna be my phone though with my 56 year old eyes. It looked, it looked, now look at this. Look at the fucking ripples. Look at this. Oh yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. It sounds crazy. This is incredible that this is a video game. Yeah. Yeah, it does look like a video game on the big screen. This makes me want to play video games. Damn, it looks good. Yeah, I want to play this game. Yeah. Jesus. How good are fucking video games now? That's not gonna get better, dude. That's a real problem.

2:02:27You're gonna live in that in five years. 100 % yeah, and you're gonna love it. Yeah, you're gonna be happy. But there was some stuff back it up a little bit, Jamie, because they go back and forth from black and white. They show the rockets headed towards it. A little further? Yeah, right there. Back it right there. Well, check this out. Look at this. When they show like the whatever sensors that they're using in this video game to track missiles, check this out. This is crazy. And then they have a camera on the missile. Wow.

2:03:09Now this seems crazy real. Crazy real. This looks like you're looking at it through. Yeah, look at this shit. Wow. So they're going through different filters, different ways of looking at it. And then later on they show the actual missiles headed towards it. Wow. Look at that. Oh, yeah. See if you get the where the actual missiles are. That's crazy. That's it. Back up right there, right there. Where it's black and white. This is crazy.

2:03:42So this is wild shit, man. Yeah. The fact that this has been being done through, this isn't the transition that I saw earlier. I don't know when it is. It's a long ass video. But it's pretty incredible. No, this looks so realistic. Yeah, we're going to be the matrix where you're just plugged into a thing and you're just living. 100%. I just hope my life is good in that matrix. Well, it's going to be better than the matrix because it's not going to be like a regular life. You're going to be on a dragon. You're going to be a fucking, you're going to be living in never, never land. You're going to be living in some crazy Narnia world.

2:04:15Yeah. You're going to be able to do anything you want. What is the game? Armour three. Armour three. Yeah, I mean, this is brand new April 21st. Yeah, I don't even know what that game is. I know. Literally this video came out yesterday. This fucking nuts, man. It just stumbled across my feet and I thought it was legit. Yeah. For like 38 seconds. Yeah. So that game is, I mean, this crazy what video games are doing. There's now, like I watched the NFL a lot. When a guy scores a touchdown, he was like a 6K camera and you look at that and you're like, oh, that looks like a video game. 6K, the more crisp reality looks like the video game now.

2:04:52I was watching a video yesterday on YouTube that was a review of the Google Pixel 8 Pro and apparently it has AI in it that can give a smile for your kid's face. Oh, that's creepy. It's correct because he said the guy was reviewing. He said, well, one kid is never paying attention. Never looked well. Then get a picture of him not paying attention. Yeah, that's it. You fucking weirdo. Like you're changing your kid's personality. He's like the smiley guy who steers the camera. It's a scary thought. You can manipulate people's faces. Yeah. So you could swap their face around. So someone Lex tweeted yesterday this picture?

2:05:29Yeah. Oh, he's a response. Someone made that look. He's smiling. And it looks. Wow. Looks pretty funny. Well, have you seen the new Microsoft software where they can take a photograph? Yeah. Just a photograph. And then with your voice, have you say all kinds of shit in video and it looks seamless? Wow. I'll send you that, Jamie. It looks fucking seamless. So you see it, you're like, this is incredible. How is this that good? It's so fucking good now. It's going to be really fun. Here it is, also, to Jamie. I think, I think you ever got it. Yeah, this is it. Oh, my tension. Oh, my time on listening.

2:06:09So instead of doing something else, I just listened, listened, and listened. Because I'm a true believer that if you're really bad at something like listening, for example, it all shows you that, hey, you have to practice listening. This sound is not synced crack correctly in this video. I think it's. It's going to get better and better. But this is not how it looked on my phone. On my phone, it looked different. There's like a little disconnect here. Keep blaming your phone. What's up? Keep blaming your phone for these wrong things. Yeah, no, no, no, it's just it's going from the computer. Yeah, I'm kidding.

2:06:44OK. But also, even if it's not perfect, this is the worst it will ever be. That's what I always think about. Oh, it's not, it's not. You can tell this is the worst it will ever be and it will get exponentially better and better faster and faster. And I think they only need 30 seconds of you talking. That's crazy. Yeah. The monolisa is wrapping. Look at this. Give me some of that.

2:07:13That's crazy. Bro, that's monolisa. That's crazy. And it looks pretty good. Yeah. And you would have not of imagined this five years ago. Five years ago. Five years ago, you'd be like, what is that? How do you, that must cost a billion dollars to do? I think three years from now, you're not going to be able to tell at all. No, especially guys like you or I, who have had so many hours of us talking. Yeah. There are so many hours that you're talking. But the good thing now, then, is probably we can just say whatever we want to and I'm like, that was fake. Ah! That's a crazy, hateful stuff. But that was fake.

2:07:42I wonder if there'll be a way to tell. I wonder if, I think eventually, there won't be. I think there's probably going to be a way to tell for a little bit, but then eventually, there won't be. Yeah, and then we just don't take it that seriously, hopefully. Well, because there's a lot of other things you could edit on a phone now. With the Samsung phones, you could delete things from the background. It has AI. So like if someone's in the background, I fuck that dude, just put a circle around him. That goes away. Now he's not in your picture anymore. And then they could literally move the position that you're in.

2:08:12So if you're in the center of the thing, you're like, I want to be behind that park bench. I just put you behind the park bench. Dude, for my special, luckily we got price picks to help me pay for the cost. And then we did like an ad read in the middle. The background, we filmed it on a green screen and my guy, Kev created that background in like 30 seconds and you can't tell the difference. It looks like maybe slightly different but so many people are like, did he stop? The middle of his taping to do an ad read? It looks so good. Just added this stuff into, which probably before your guy got to it, but this has just been added to video editing software.

2:08:44Some of the AI stuff we've been talking about, some built into the actual editing software. What just happened on screen was, they changed the small amount of diamonds into a large amount of diamonds and it now works in the video that they're using. I mean, just changing, like, leading things right out of there. That would take hours before. Wow. They might take a few people to do it. And now it's instantaneous. I took 10 seconds. Didn't even know it was supposed to be there. There's videos now, I'm gonna send you this, Jamie, because this video is entirely AI. The whole thing is a sci -fi trailer for a movie.

2:09:20It's entirely AI and you would never believe it. And again, what you just said is only gonna get better. This is the worst it's ever been, worst it's ever gonna be. Yeah. It's gonna get better real quick. But this whole trailer that we're gonna watch is entirely generated by AI. There's no actors, there's no scenes. This is all done on a computer. This is not a sci -fi movie. What the fuck?

2:09:53Two close -ups. Dude, the people look completely real. Look at the ocean, the Malfi Coast. This is beautiful. It's not the drone shot from the Malfi Coast. Wow. Look at the people moving. Yeah. Everything looks real.

2:10:11This is not a snippet from a natural geographic documentary.

2:10:18I mean, what the fuck? That looks crazy. Look at the dog man. That's crazy. Do you remember how bad the dogs looked and I am legend? The tigers, the lions rather? Do you remember that scene? Yeah, I do. There's a scene when Will Smith is going through New York City and the lions are out and the lion takes out a deer in front of him and it's, see if he can find him. It looks so CGI. It's so corny. Yeah. They shouldn't even put it in the movie. It's, I wonder if at the time you think it looks real. And then you go back and you're like, this is the one. I remember at the time, I was like, get the fuck out of here.

2:10:47Cause I watched a movie like 10 years later. This deer look fake, don't post that in the movie. Look at that Mustang. Fuck yeah. Tried it around a Shelby. Yeah. So watch this. He's hanging out here and he sees this deer and he's about to shoot this deer cause he wants some food. Yeah. Yeah.

2:11:08Yeah. Watch this lion. Look how fake it is. Yeah, looks terrible.

2:11:20Look at me. It looks so bad. It looks so fake. It looks almost as fake as his marriage. Ah. Almost. Not quite. Not quite. Almost. Some people live in hell. They really do. They stay living in hell. Yeah. Oh, what a sad case that was, man. He meant so much to me as a kid. And now it's just. All with one moment where he couldn't take a joke. Yeah. She couldn't take a joke. Yeah. One moment in the whole guy's reputation is gone now. All they had to do was just laugh it off. I know. He was laughing. G .I .J. Not even remotely. And this is a one, it's, it's, it would have been one thing if she wasn't trying to be famous and he just brought her into a joke if she wasn't a celebrity.

2:12:06But he's not making fun of your wife. He's making fun of us celebrity. No, that's, she happens to be a fast movie. Yeah, also she's fucking awesome in that movie. She's like Navy SEALs. She's trying to form that movie. Yeah. Okay, God forbid. She's beast. Yeah, God forbid you compare my wife to a Navy SEAL. How dare you? That was like a big thing in the movie where Demi Moore said suck my dick. Did she really? That's fire, dude. This is the movie. That's fire. Yeah. She's beast. Yeah, I would love for my wife to compare to this. Navy SEALs ain't suck my dick. It's hilarious. Also, she's still hot in the movie.

2:12:35Yeah. I remember that. She's still hot bald. She looks great.

2:12:56Yeah. That's your opportunity to laugh about it, but you just took it so poorly. Well, she just rolled her eyes, gave sideways face, and then will, whatever's wrong with them. Yeah. That's what it was. Like whatever's disfucked, whatever he's trying to prove to her, whatever chaos is in that relationship. And maybe it is alopecia. Maybe it's like that's just so sensitive that he realized, fuck, I gotta go slap him. Ha ha ha ha ha. It's like the hot button topic around the house. He's losing her hair. I don't know. But either way, like what a terrible decision. Yeah. And also, but also it showed you how vacant Hollywood is, that they gave him a standing ovation, just moments and afterwards.

2:13:37Insane. For playing a guy, there are abuse allegations around. Yeah. Richard Williams. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah, just what a crazy fucking thing, man. Yeah. Just the whole thing was nuts, and it just showed how insane Hollywood is. Yeah. Now disconnected there. And then it took the next day or so for the rest of the world to be like, hey, what the fuck? And then it all fell apart. Yeah. But those dummies were willing to go along with it like clapping. Yeah, that was crazy. Even though you just smacked a guy and ruined the Oscars. Yeah, assaulted a guy who's what half a foot, foot shorter than you maybe.

2:14:11And weighs eight pounds. Yeah. Chris Arks says, he's the least intimidating guy that's ever held a mic. And the fuck? Well, I have something to say about that. I think you might fuck him up. Really? I think so. Okay, fair enough. I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to find out. I don't know. Maybe he'll get you. But the point is it's like he's, this is not a threatening guy and to go up and physically assault him. It's just crazy. But it's just, you know, people lose their minds, man. They lose their minds. They, they, yeah, I remember, I remember thinking about this in like, oh, seven, I did like a student film.

2:14:42Obviously nothing. I barely got paid anything, but I remember I went to go get Chipotle. And then the people freaked out. They're like, hey, if you want something, you just tell us we'll go get it for you. You don't need to. And I remember, I'm like, oh, I could just ask for anything I want. And you know, I would get it. And they were like, yeah. And I was like, that's crazy. So imagine actually being famous. Imagine being Will Smith. Right. No one says no to you ever. If Will Smith was like fly to Columbia, buy me coffee beans every day before I shoot, they would find a guy to do that. Right.

2:15:07How do you come out normal? There's no way to be normal and healthy and all that. It just, I can't see it. Well, you know what? I'm not participating in that. You have to not be that guy. You have to recognize that that's a dangerous road to go down. You lose your humanity. It's hard though. I imagine. And the one good thing about comedy is you will get humbled. I will bomb at some point so eventually and it will remind me, oh yeah. Yeah, I'm not at better than anybody else. Yeah, comedy's a different animal. If it's very hard to be that cocky, be a comedian. Yeah, I get humbled. That's one of the reasons why fighters are so nice.

2:15:39Oh, dude, I was, yeah, I hung out with Henry Sahuto and Calvin Gaslam that came to my shows in Tempe, just the best tank. The greatest kind of fight. Great. Henry Sahuto is hilarious by the way. Like he's giving you shit, he's taking shit. He has five minutes of standup. It's actually not that bad. I kept telling him I was like, dude, I've seen more of your standup than I have your fights and it was pretty good. Calvin just the nicest guy, but yeah, there's a humility to, maybe Chris Rock and a lot more humble. I mean, maybe a lot of people are hoping that happens to me. Well, Chris Rock woke up for sure because Chris Rock standup got better.

2:16:11Yeah. Everybody that saw him after that, like Tom Scurrow went to see him when he did the arena in town. He was, bro, he was on five. He goes, it was like, bring the pain, Chris Rock. He was like, he was like, markedly better than he had been before. He goes, it was amazing. Yeah. It was amazing. And that's what it was. It was like, he realized like, fuck those people. I was trying to get those people to like me. I was trying to do movies and I got slapped and they applauded that guy afterwards. That's insane, dude. Fuck them. Yeah. He's too good for that gig anyway. That gig sucks. Yeah. And then he had to try to go and do jokes after he got smacked, which was the worst.

2:16:44Saying I'm not going to address it. I mean, that is the worst. We tried to like do material after he got smacked. The whole thing was crazy. We're not, we're not talking about anything else, Chris. You're my hero. We're not talking about anything. Well, you didn't know what to do. You probably never would have imagined that that would have happened. There was a moment when in the moment where he goes, Will said something, he goes, boy, I could. And then he just goes on and finishes giving the award. I know why he didn't and that was the mature thing, but I wish he had just unloaded. Yeah. I wish he had just gone it.

2:17:15Cause I'm positive I thought crossed his mind and then he decided against it. And I would love to see Chris Rob just. I think the best thing would have been to do was be to say, no one's going to do anything about that. Like someone could just come up here and hit me and you guys on to shit. Yeah. And you want me to host your awards? Yeah. Like say something real in the moment like that. But how, that's a Monday morning quarterback. Yeah. Who knows? And you risk looking like a bitch being like, nobody's going to help me. Which true. You will miss a big dude. Yeah. You're not, but it's still you look like a bigger bitch getting slapped at me.

2:17:49Like are you guys not going to do anything about this? You look like a Karen or whatever. Well, you got me. It's like Jim said he should sue Will Smith for like $50 million. And I was like, yeah, that's your onboard with that. This guy's career is forever altered because of that. Yeah. This guy made some of the greatest comedy specials in the history of the world. And we're going to talk about the slap right there with that if not before that. But the comedy like his audience is went way up. His ticket sales went through the roof. Oh, it's good. They went through the roof. That's good. I was talking to the people that handle this shit.

2:18:19And what do you do? It was crazy. Everything was just selling out immediately. That's great. Because everybody wanted to see him. And they wanted to see what he had to say. And for a while, he wasn't even talking about it. Yeah, he's. Because Chris is smart. He's not going to just come out with material right away and start talking about it. People are going to film it and record it and tell everybody. So he waited. He waited until he really developed the material. Yeah, really figured out what to say. Yeah, he is my comedy. Him and Chappelle and Patrice, I found what I got older. But I remember being kids and being like, oh, fuck this is what stand up can be.

2:18:49And that's a big reason I even entered stand up in the first place. Yeah, his first two specials were insane. Bigger and blacker and bring the pain or two the best of all time. Dude, bigger and blacker coming a year and a half after bringing the pain, it's unbelievable how good it is. To have come out with all your best stuff that you've been doing for a 12 or long years of comic, probably 12, 15 years at that point, bring the pain, historic, and then a year and a half, you have a special that's arguably better insane, man. Yeah, I think about that all the time. Yeah, those are two of the bangers.

2:19:20Two, like if you go and look at like all time greatest specials, those two are definitely up there. Yeah, a guy like that just gets smacked. Also to see a guy like that hosting the Oscars, like, you can imagine Sam Kinesen or Richard Pryor hosting the Oscars, like, you're the fuck out of here. Why are you doing that? Should be doing that anyway. I mean, that was the path back then, right? I think this is a little bit of money morning quarterback and we're back then. It was Eddie Murphy, do stand up, be a legend, go to movies, be a legend, do whatever you want to after that. Chris was doing the stand up was still insane.

2:19:51I think, never even never scared, fantastic. You watched that, you're just like, wow, four specials that are just like, what was it, the third special, but all just historically great. And then you got the movies and you got that and now you're just like, I do whatever I want. He was right there. It's that was the path. But the thing is they all wanted to be in with Hollywood. Everybody wanted a movie or a television show. They all wanted that Hollywood money. Because that's the only path that existed. That was the very internet. Yeah, this is a very interesting time for media. It's a very interesting time for what people consume.

2:20:23Yeah, I think now we might not have as much fame or power whatever and that's fine because we get to kind of do what we want. And that's great. I don't know, I think people are more famous now. There's more guys doing arenas now than ever before. That's true. That's true. Yeah, stand -ups had a real boom. Yeah. And Cliffs sold out Masses Cragarden, two nights in a row in an hour. I mean, Killtony, I did Killtony after I did Rogan the first time. This is like, I think the last time I was in the last Austin. But I remember watching him and Tony, I started around the same time. And I'm watching him and Killtony and I'm just like, holy fuck, you are amazing at this.

2:20:54He's the best ever. These are the best hosts of those kind of shows ever. He's so quick. Yeah. I took Tucker to Killtony. Yeah, that moment with him and Cam Patterson was so quick. Tucker didn't even know he's going on stage. He had no idea. Or really? Yeah, I wasn't even going to bring him on stage. I showed up with him. I'm like, we were having dinner. And I said, meeting him in the Lex Friedman. And I said, do you want to see the club? And he's like, yeah, you guys got nothing going on tonight. Let's go kill Tony's there tonight. Be awesome. It's a crazy show to watch. It's like one of the best live shows you can go see.

2:21:23So we get there, we're backstage. And I text Tony, hey, I'm coming and I'm bringing Tucker Carlson. And so we get backstage and he texts me and he's like, come on stage. Wow. Really? I go, all right. I did it once before with Post Malone. Yeah. Post Malone had no idea. He was going to be on Killtony. I just brought him to the club. And then brought him right on stage. And he was like, this is crazy. And that's what we do with Tucker too, just brought him on stage. And he goes out there, ladies and gentlemen, Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson. Wow. And he was great. Yeah, he seemed really good. The way he handled the camp thing, both of them handled that so well.

2:21:57I thought it was hilarious. Yeah. Oh, dude. Post was amazing. Post was amazing. He was great at it. I've heard he's the nicest guy to all wonder how he is. So sweet. He's so sincere. David Lucas said he looked like an unemployed crocodile hunter. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, it's good. That's good, dude. Amazing. Yeah. Amazing. And he just takes the jokes and he's good with it. Oh, he was great. Yeah. He's a sweetheart of a guy. Yeah. Him and jelly roll. Jelly rolls, but on it, he's my favorite, man. I love that guy. Such a beautiful human being. Truly, like a beautiful soul. Yeah. Him and that Mexican O .T.

2:22:33are kindred spirits to me. We had them both on separately on the pod. And I was like, I said O .T. I was like, you need to collab with that guy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That Mexican O .T. and jelly roll would be amazing. Yeah. And that Mexican O .T.'s manager and I are fairly cool. Greg, get a jelly roll, dude. Because that guy, that'll happen. I got Mexican O .T. as my intro for my special. And I didn't realize what a pain in the ass that can be. And luckily, O .T.'s manager, Greg, was like, we're gonna get this done. We're gonna get this done. We're gonna get this done. It's the only reason I could get it cleared from, I think, UMG or whatever the label was.

2:23:05So, yeah. But O .T. was also like, he hit me up afterward. Like, hey, man, I love the special. I love the dance. Thank you for using my song that way. Just like so sweet. Yeah. You did me the biggest favor ever. And then to thank me is just like, what a sweet kid, man. Yeah, he's a dope guy. I like him a lot. I like him a lot. Also got the Texas manor's, yes, sir. I remember he asked me a question. He said, man, show you something. And I was like, put a well -mannered sweet kid, man. Yeah, who sings gangster rap? Who will, yeah, who will probably beat the shit out of you? It's like a country flavor.

2:23:34It's like a country flavor to his rap. And he's very unique. Yes. And, how far do killer was the first song that I ever heard, Tony played it for him? Really? He's like, you gotta hear this. You ever heard of that Mexican O .T.? I'm like, no. He played it for me. I'm like, oh, shit. I was like, this is good. And then I started listening to his other stuff. They're all bad. Fantastic. Like an artist. Yes. Yeah. Who just grew up in a rap and that's what he knew. And now I think he's gonna expand more and more and more. Yeah, I love that kid. Yeah, he's great. And he's young too, man. Yeah. Massive future.

2:24:02Yeah, truly. Mega talent. Him and Jelly both. Isn't that cool thing about doing a podcast too that you get to meet all these interesting people? Yes, the Brian Johnson guy was fascinating. And you have these ideas of these people. And then you sit on a talk with him and you're like, oh, that was completely wrong. I guess that's probably most human beings. But you get this idea of a person and then you talk to them, you're like, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. But it's also like other people get that too. Like you're doing a service for other people. And it kind of like informs other people, like, hey, maybe I have misconceptions about people just because I see this public image.

2:24:33And I think that's who they are. Yeah. And it's actually ties into what we were saying earlier is about like letting other people's opinions affect you. I was listening to some podcast. I forget what it's called, but the guy goes, most people are very flippant with their opinions. They just throw it out there. Oh, I hate that guy. I love that guy. They don't really think much. And then we take it so seriously good and bad. But most people just throw a thing out there not really being informed. And they don't really care. It's not the big deal. Yeah, it's just talk. Louis C. K told me this one to go, it's just talk.

2:24:59He goes, but when it's written down, it seems like it's more than just talk. But it's like kind of the same way people have always talked. Yeah. But if you see it written down or if you see someone saying it in a video, oh, what did he say about me? Yeah. Let's just talk. People talk shit. Yeah, Louis was another one. I even said this to him when he was getting so much love. I was like, oh, fucking Louis. And then we had him on the pod. He was great. He's obviously so smart. But I remember even I told him that he was like, a lot of the praise was like overdone. And I'm sure some comics didn't like me.

2:25:28I was like, I was one of them. He was like, I don't blame you. And I was like, what a cool honest moment we had where I didn't have to pretend. And yeah, it was just, I think that's the one of the best things about the podcasting is talking to people and being like, oh, I had a preconceived notion of you and you're very different than I thought. Yeah, we get informed the more people we talk to. Yes. The more people we talk to and the more conversations we have, we get more informed as a human being. I think one of the things that limits people is the access they have to other interesting people.

2:25:56And I think that's also one of the things that is really exciting to people about podcasts while they like it so much. Because now they can listen to interesting people talk. They can listen to cool people talk. They kind of get in on these conversations and they see a real conversation where it's not planned out. I don't know what you're gonna talk about. You're just talking. Right. Yeah. How much prep do you do typically for interviews? Because sometimes I'll prep for days and just like endless. And then sometimes I'm like, I think I'm okay. It took a completely depends on the subject matter.

2:26:26Like if there's been people that I've had to read books on astrophysics and strength theory and try to understand what the fuck they're talking about or AI and it depends. Some people have read their entire book and I knew they were coming on months in advance so I prepared for it. And then other people I'm just like, I can't wait to talk to that guy. Yeah. Like that Mexican OT, zero prep. What's up? I love your music. It was easy. I wanted to just get to know him in the moment. I don't want to like, I heard when you were a child. I didn't like, no, I wanted to come out like organically. I want to have a real conversation with him.

2:27:04Well, you know, I'm sure you've heard this Larry King like does just did no prep for any interview ever. Really? Yeah, there's a clip of him in Seinfeld talking. It's so funny where he clearly doesn't know who Seinfeld is. This is at the height of Seinfeld's fame. And Seinfeld is like, yeah, my show is going off the, you've never watched an episode. It's kind of a big deal. And Larry's like, no, I didn't know. And Andrew Schultz always like, that's just his excuse to be lazy. But I truly think he's like, maybe. But he was also like, I know the best most organic conversations if I learn all about this guy right here and my skillset will allow for the best interview to happen that way.

2:27:39Well, the worst conversations are conversations that are canned, right, where when someone's talking to you, they don't really care, but they're pretending they care and asking you these things because they have like bullet points on the one head. And those seem canned. They seem bullshit. You're probably better off doing it the Larry King way with some stuff, but Larry King didn't interview theoretical physicists. Yeah. You know, like if you're, I need to know something about what you're talking about to be able to have my own questions. Right. I can't, because there's some things that are so nuanced and they're so complicated that you, you should have some understanding of them before you talk about it.

2:28:21But then other times it's like, oh, guys, a comic. You know, like let's talk. That'll be easy. I love comics. Let's talk some shit. How do you write? What do you do? You know, where'd you start? Yeah. I want to know, you know, it's like, and having genuine curiosity, I think that's a major, that's a major key. It's like actually be curious. And some people aren't really curious. They really just want to wait for their turn to talk. They can't wait. When's it going to be my turn to talk? You know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you ruin your own show that way. Even by being selfish, you're actually going against yourself.

2:28:57You're not realizing it at the time, but you're actually poisoning your own show by being selfish. Yeah, the best thing that I've learned in life is try to actually listen, especially in the more nervous you are. Like, even this part, I come on. I'm like, just try to listen and respond to what he's saying in the moment and just stay in your own body and do that. With everything, man, with other people too. Like when I'm, you know, hanging out with someone, just a regular person, I'm so much better at talking to people now than I was before I did a podcast. Because I'm so much better at not talking over someone, waiting for them to talk, trying to get the most out of what they're trying to say, trying to, instead of just listening and then just me talking, trying to figure out, how did you come to that conclusion?

2:29:45Did you always think that way? Like when did you learn? How'd you learn this stuff? Like what inspired you to start doing that? You know, it's like that. That's interesting to me. So when now when I have conversations with people that suck at having conversations, I can't wait to, I got trapped at my fucking club by a buddy of mine brought one of his buddies from high school. And his buddy from high school was drunk and he's rich. And he kept wanting to tell me about this business that he started. It was, you know, Bob a bond, I disin that and I turned it into a $100 million business. And this, I'm just telling you, I just so you know who I am.

2:30:23So like, oh my God, he was so bad at talking. He was just the clunkiest, shittiest, braggiest. And then I eventually go, I gotta go. Yeah. I wasn't even talking. I was like, you're just talking at me. Like, I don't care about any of these things. He just needed to impress you that badly. Yeah, he needed to let me know that he was successful. Yeah. Within seconds of meeting him, he's telling me all this stuff. It's exhausted. So I get, you see, I really irritated at that stuff. And then I think with Schultz said to me one time, because this kid at a diner started interrupting our conversation and telling us about his education, how smart he was.

2:30:56And then I was like, it's so annoyed when he, when we left and Andrew was like, yeah, but you got it, feel good about yourself. That that guy, for whatever reason, felt insecure around you and felt he needed to impress you that much. So then you look at him. Someone knows someone from something, right? If they know you and you don't know them, they need to let you know they're a big deal. Yeah. That's just insecurity. And it's like, I used to take it as malicious and now I'm like, oh, that guy, I'm not great at it. But I try to remind myself, oh, that guy is meeting, probably, he's probably listened to you thousands of hours in his head.

2:31:28And he wants so badly for you to like him. And he just doesn't know how to do that. And he doesn't know, hey, if I just have a real conversation with Joe, he'll walk away being like, that's a nice guy. And then he just overcompensates with, let me impress him because I did all these things and show him what I've done. And if you, there's like, oh, okay, well, I feel bad for that guy a little bit. Yeah. I'm not great at it by any stretch. But definitely feel bad for him because it sucks to be that guy. It has to do that. And it doesn't feel good. Like that never works. Like no one ever walks away going, that guy's amazing.

2:31:55Like you walk out of the earth, it feels like that guy just gizzled over me. You know, it's really what it's like. Do you know that guy's worth the $100 million? You know what else doesn't work that people still do is name dropping. Is that shit work at all? No, no, no, that's a rough one. That's a rough one. We're partying with Leo. And you know, like, what, what are we doing? Like, God, what? Yeah, please, please don't do it. Please, please don't do that to me. I couldn't care less. I couldn't care less. Does it work on anybody? It might be one of the least effective strategies for getting people to think you're cool.

2:32:27Name dropping? No, yeah, it's truly, I think it works on like people who don't know anyone. And they're like, oh, this guy knows someone so, but even after about the third name, you're like, oh, he doesn't know anybody. The more names you name, the less those people like you. Yeah, people turn on you too. If you're that guy that name drops like on podcasts or named it like people like. Ew. Yeah, yeah. Ew. The other guy would talk so everybody, ew. Yeah. I used to do it way more. I used to like early podcast. I was just, wasn't good at it. So you have a thought in your head, you just want to get it out.

2:32:58Right. Not even, even if you're not even being selfish, it's like you've just looking for a chance to, and then I took me time to just look at the big picture of it and go, this is not smart. And then that's when I started using pads too, this is big too. Because sometimes I have a thing, I'm like, oh my god, I'm gonna forget this. Well, it's guys on this ramp. So I just look over here and scribble and write it down. And if I do that, I'm good. You just gotta learn how to, it's a skill. You're learning, it's a skill like any other skill. You learn how to negotiate a conversation and get the most out of the person.

2:33:31I want that person to shine. I want them to have the most interesting thing that they could say. I want to help them say it. I think about that, because sometimes they're getting, because I don't feel nearly as confident in podcasting as I do in stand up. And then I just remember, oh, stand up as something I've been doing 17 years now or whatever. Podcasting, I've been doing five, six, what it, like it's gonna take a while. Also, you guys have a unique setup when there's a lot of folks there. You know, there's four of you. And then there's a guest. When you got five people talking, and no one knows when they can chime in, and when you should chime in, it's hard.

2:34:05Yeah, being a team player is big. It's like, I could try to get my thought. I try to, remember, I could try to get my thought out now, but is that, if I'm just gonna be talking with everybody's that gonna add the best podcast, or do I just fall back and wait? Headphones. Headphones are a huge key. Because then you don't talk over each other. Overtalk is terrible to listen to. Like Ari, when he comes on the podcast, we do protect our parks. As soon as he gets drunk, takes the headphones off, starts talking over every. Like Ari, you can't have two separate conversations. This is a podcast. Millions of people are gonna hear this.

2:34:35Oh, I need to give Ari his flowers too. Jew is amazing. I mean, it was one of the big like amputuses. I looked at that and I was like, oh, this guy didn't shop this at a streamer. He just put it online and it looks better than pretty much anything I've seen on Netflix. It was cool because of the candles and sheds. Gorgeous special. I told him this. I was like, this is, once I saw that, I was like, oh, this is the bar now. That's what's, it's set there. Well, it was also for me. It was very important to see because Ari had been telling me these things for decades and had never figured out a way to do it on stage and decided to do it all in one special.

2:35:10Cause he was telling me all the stuff about his upbringing. Cause he had a crazy upbringing, man. Like super religious, went to Israel, stayed in a kabuts or whatever the fuck it was and read in the Talmud all day. He was all in and then he's like, this is bullshit. What am I doing? He then becomes a comic, which is wild. And when I met him, it was like, I guess it was the 90s and he was like, maybe I'm here to already start working at the store. It might have, I think I was on, that might have been to Fear Factor days. I don't remember. But it was like, he was a young, young guy who was just starting to do stand up.

2:35:48And then the more I got to know him, like, what did you do? You, wow. And like, why don't you talk about that on stage? He just didn't have the chops. And so it took a decade plus, two decades before he developed the chops to be a real solid, and I'm glad he did. Because then he became a great comic and then he realized how to do that material as a comic. Yeah, which was perfect. Yeah, I think that's one thing. I used to try to push myself to do this material that was person. Like, I hope I can make my dad's story into a bit or something to end a special with or whatever. But now I realize I don't need to push.

2:36:21I wasn't good enough to do that back then. And now as I'm getting better, I think I can dig deeper, be more honest, be more personal, tell more personal things or whatever. And then I'm ready now, I feel. Yeah, you can figure out a way to make it good. Yes. Yeah, it's a tricky job, man. It's a tricky fucking slip. Especially like somewhat potentially painful things that you're trying to make funny. I remember I would see some comics come up and be just so awkward. Or to say all these horrible things they went through and they'd be like, I don't care if y 'all left. This is therapy for me. And I know you're just saying that because you're nervous because you're not doing well, but you got to understand how fundamentally wrong.

2:36:55This is not therapy. We're not here to help you through this. Go to therapy, make it funny, and then come bring it to us. I remember there was some dispute adjust for laughs and some comic yelled at some other comic that if you're not using your comedy to promote social justice, you can go fucking show. Oh, Jesus Christ. That is hilarious. That's a person that can't possibly be good. There's no way you're good. You must be terrible on stage. Your comedy must be awful. I think you also, that's probably a young comic probably because I know I had these ideas of what funny was. And I remember watching, I think it was called Talking Funny or Funny People, whatever, with Ricky Gervais, Chris Rock, Luis CK, and Jerry Seinfeld.

2:37:29And then there's a moment where Ricky, who's the youngest comic in the room, is talking about these jokes and like, I don't wanna do those jokes because those jokes are easy. I wanna impress guys like you. And then Jerry goes, you know what would impress me? Leave that joke in. Don't take that joke out. Leave that stupid joke in. I'm impressed. Just kill. Yeah, I like stupid jokes. Yes. If a stupid joke, like a tell, a tell's brilliant and silly at the same time. It's these aren't like super complicated jokes. We're like, oh my God, this guy's changed in the world. Thousand percent. But amazing.

2:38:00Thousand percent. I just wanna laugh. Just make us laugh. Just your job. Just make us laugh. And then if you can make us laugh on your terms, the way you want to, God bless. Yeah. That's a better level, sure. Sure. But it's chewing laughs just because I don't want it, no, fuck that. Get the laughs. You're only chewing that because you can't get laughs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. Yeah. Anybody who's like trying to educate these people, but you're 28 years old. You live in a duplex. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. Shut the fuck up. You're not gonna fix the world. I know you think you were gonna. But also, like, that was a thing that Hicks brought to comedy.

2:38:32There was like a real problem in the 90s. Yeah, I hated Hicks for a long time because of this. I still won't listen to Hicks just because the ripple effect of Bill Hicks is like, buddy, you are, you created a monster. He did create a monster. There were so many fucking people that wanted to be Hicks. Yeah. It was so much so that the punchline in Atlanta, you still have a green room. And on the back of the green room, people would write in the wall. And it said quit trying to be Hicks. Oh, thank God. And when you tore that down, Jamie Kipps -Sahe was gonna, Jamie the owner kept saying he was gonna get me that fucking because they took the wood down.

2:39:01Yeah. So I'm like, get me that. Get just the plan. This says don't be Hicks. Just quit trying to be Hicks. Let me put that up here. Yeah. Because I remember that. Like, ah, there's so many guys. So many guys who wanted to be that guy. Cause he was, he just left. He feeling like even, even Richard Jenny, who's like one of the all time greats. I remember Richard Jenny saw Hicks and he was like, God, watch the mouse like, I gotta do more stuff like that. Yeah. Well, you don't. Yeah. You really don't. I actually remember though, God, who's the comic? His name is escaping me. He's a clean comic. He's massive, super funny.

2:39:33Brian Regan. He was saying, he was on somebody else's podcast. And that guy was saying about Brian Regan. I remember Hicks was really dying to go see you at X, Y and Z. So Hicks loves Brian Regan. Yeah. So you don't need to be Hicks. Just be funny and Hicks will be looking down to be like, that guy's funny. Well, Hicks really was that guy. Yeah. Like Hicks was talking about stuff in the 90s before the internet. Right. So he's talking about all these really esoteric subjects and interesting things. Cause he was just reading a lot. Yeah. So it was like real, he really understood what he was talking about.

2:40:05Yeah. That's actually that guy. Yeah. If you're not that guy, don't be that guy. Just be who you are. But people like that, like, you know, occasionally someone will come along and they influence everybody. You know, Kinnison for sure did that. They come along and they're so mind blowing. You're like, Jesus Christ. You know, Joey Deez influenced everybody around him. Cause everybody like he was, he was so quick with his punch lines. The set up punch line was so fast, rapid fire. He got to it so quick. Like, God damn, I gotta pick up my speed. Yeah. Yeah. Is that where you picked up from? I learned a lot from Joey for sure.

2:40:40I learned a lot from also having to follow him because I would bring Joey on the road with him. Cause I couldn't follow him. So I was like, this is the best way to figure out how to follow those guys and bring him with me everywhere. So it was fucking killing. It was fun. And also I wanted to laugh. Yeah. And when you're around Joey, it's just a party. He's unbelievable. He's awesome. Yeah, we had him on the pod once and I was like, this guy's awesome. He was just here for four, 20 weekend. It was fucking glorious. It was amazing. He's on fire. Cause he comes to the club and he gets so much love that he's so free and loose.

2:41:09Oh, yeah. The moments when he went on stage, it was incredible. When cause the audience didn't know he was there unless they had paid attention to the Instagram. So Friday night, they definitely didn't know he was there. When I do those Joe Rogan and Friends show, I don't let anybody know. So Shultz will pop in. Shane Gillis shows up. Yeah. Gaffigan shows up. No one knows who's gonna be there and they go up there and everybody's like, this is crazy. Yeah. That's what's fun about it. And so when Joey goes up, they didn't know who it was gonna be. And then they show ideas. Everybody like, Yeah. Is he thinking about moving here?

2:41:41No. We're working on him. That's great. We're working on him. That's great. He's gonna love it. He's just too happy here. And the problem with New Jersey is it's like, there's too much road, bullshit, hacky, fucking comedy there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's good comics in New Jersey for sure. It's great comics, boss lives in Jersey, bottom of Farland lives in Jersey. This is great comics in New Jersey. No doubt about it. But there's also a lot of scrubs. And a lot of like just real, just dumb comedy. Just dumb. I was at the mothership yesterday and I'm watching this open mic and just seeing all the comics.

2:42:14First of all, I remember that I don't miss open mics at all. I just remembered that pain sitting there waiting. It's horrible. But I was thinking I was like, yo, Joe fucking did it, man. He made this. I was thinking if I'm a young comic, Austin wasn't even a place I was thinking of in 2007 or whatever when I started. Now LA is not even a place I'm thinking of. It's either Austin or New York and Austin is easier to survive. It's better weather. It's nicer people. I think I would come to Austin. It's also a more supportive environment because the environment, especially at our club, is specifically designed to foster talent.

2:42:50It's designed that way. There's two nights of open mic nights. It's designed. Killtony's there. It's designed for that. Right, right. So from the ground up, you have a chance to go, you have a chance as a person who's just getting on stage the first time ever to go up in the best club in the world. And you have a chance to go and work the same stage that Joey Diaz goes up in, that Dave Shapel went up. You get to go into that, the little boy, that room is amazing. There's a tight little room. Yeah, yeah. And you could get that itch. Little boy felt like the belly room. It's like the belly room and the OR had a baby.

2:43:27Yeah. And the fat man is like the main room and the OR had a baby. Okay, I see that. That's what it is. It's a perfect place. Yeah, I mean, I was hype. I've always said comedy works is the best club in the country in Denver. Still love it. I just got back from there this weekend. I am excited to kill Tony and then I'm excited to see, this is my first time in Austin since you built the club. So I'm excited to see the whole thing. It's a wild, how many days are in town? I can tell how many days you want me to be in town. You know, I mean, you decide. Come by tomorrow. Do a set of 20. Absolutely done.

2:43:57I got to show tomorrow at seven o 'clock. But we got, I mean, we have big name headliners are coming in every weekend, which is great. So the local guys get to see the people that are there. And all the door staff, they're all comics. They audition with their act, you know, so it's like a development process. Like the store was, but more organized. Yeah, not as chaotic and run by a comedian. Yes. And run by a comedian that doesn't have business partners. And I have anybody else. And you're not. I do. You're, you don't rely on that for income, which is like it's a, it's a mitsphot which you have happened the way it happened.

2:44:33Yeah. I mean, it had to, it had to be this crazy moment in history where the whole country gets shut down except Texas. And so we move here and all of a sudden, I'm doing shows with Chappelle, we're doing these outdoor shows, or everybody's getting tested. And then we started doing indoor shows. And then we started doing indoor show. I'm like, I got, I got to open up a club. And we need to hang out. We had the Vulcan, which is a great place. Vulcan's a great club. Vulcan's awesome. I did the Vulcan right after you came on for Lagerin the next day. That was the last time I was in Austin. It's a great club.

2:45:03Vulcan's great. It's a great club to kill and too. But I was like, this is an hours, we, you know, they have like techno music there, and some EDM, some needs. And it's like, I want, we need to set something up. And I had that Spotify money. And I'm like, listen, if anybody's going to do it, it's got to be me. And if any time, is there a time to do it? It's now because people were willing to move so that they could go on stage. Yeah. Because LA shut everything down for so long. Yeah. That's so many comics. Like you guys are doing shows. And then guys like Derek and Asan, they came out there early, Brian Simpson.

2:45:37He came out there early. Derek Poston is so goddamn funny. He's getting so good, dude. He's getting so good. I saw him before mothership. Cause he, I saw him host Andrew Show. He's a good host. He's a good host. And I was like, I'll bring him on the road. And then I thought, you know, one thing I tried to do to pay forward how shelts help me is at once I get to know you and I think I know how you're funny. I'm like, hey, well, let's watch your set if you want. And I'll see if I can give you some advice. I'm not the end all be all, but I'll try to help you how I can. So I had Derek feature one show.

2:46:04And then I watched the set and I was like, buddy, I barely got, I got some tags for you. But I don't see like structurally, oh, you could do this. You could do XYZ. It's, you're so fucking funny. Unbelievable. Well, the level of the guys coming up is very high. And there's also in Austin, there's so many places to perform. Yeah, just on the block where the mothership is. Yeah. So you have the mothership right down the street. You have the sunset strip club. You have a brown red band club right over there. You have the creek in the cave right over there. You have the Vulcan, the Velvita room. There's some place called the green room.

2:46:36Then you have cap city. You have a bunch of different clubs on the east side. There's like hipster clubs and lesbian shows. And there's like fucking comedies everywhere. Dude, you have made this a comedy hub. It's a marvelous thing. Like an insane thing that you've done. It's pretty wild. It's insane to move LA over Austin. It's crazy. But make it better. Yeah. Make it truly. Make it better and make it completely disconnected from all those people that are poison your act with their fucking Hollywood bullshit. And actually, I said LA to be honest, I meant New York. This is what I heard in New York was.

2:47:09When I went to New York, it wasn't friendly, but you had to pay to go to most open mics, five dollars. And then the free open mics. This is when the alt scene was kind of running things. So if you talked about anything that wasn't like a video game or anime, they would judge the fuck out of it and be brutal. There was no support built in. So you've taken the best parts of New York and brought it to Austin. And again, a city that's much cheaper and much less harsh. Being poor in New York is rough. Being poor in Austin, it's not that bad. It's not bad. You can get around. Traffic's not bad at all.

2:47:39It's very light. It's very easy. And the people are cool. And the traffic, the clubs is all this little, like you said, all this little radius. L .A., if I want to hit three spots, I'm driving three, four hours. Well, you can go to the improv. You can go to the laugh factory. If you're in. If you're doing the store in probably. If you're in at all three, but when I was, I started now, Open mics, you're driving all over the place. Yeah. It's all spread out. Yeah, if you're doing open mics, you're fucked. There's not a lot of open mics in L .A., but there's a, I mean, there's a good amount, but not in comparison to the amount of comics.

2:48:08Yeah. There's a lot of comics and a lot of wannabe comics. And this also, in L .A., you have those people that really want to be actors. This is their platform. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, brother, great to have you on. Thank you so much. Tell everybody about your special, where they can get your second special. Second special is Gaslit. It's on YouTube right now. I'm very proud of it. I think, hopefully, this is my next evolution as a comic and just making the things. I truly believe funny instead of just doing contrarians. Yeah, dude. I tried to do it big. That's, oh, look at this.

2:48:40So this is traditional Indian dance called Buddha Not Theum. It's a South Indian dance. And then it's two, that Mexican OT. Oh, that's amazing. So yeah. We fly around the fly, right? Yeah. It's a funny day. Smog it on the wool, yeah. The thing that like is on the day. It's a pretty funny thing. So check it out on YouTube. Please support. Check it out. Thank you guys so much. Thank you, dude. My pleasure, brother. Tell everybody your social media. Oh, it's Akash Singh, AK, double A, S, H. Akash Singh comedy on TikTok. Everything else is pretty much Akash Singh. Oh, and YouTube is Akash Singh comedy.

2:49:10Thank you so much. I appreciate it. See you tomorrow night. All right. Bye, buddy.