#2143 - Tulsi Gabbard

26:23Yeah, no one's checking everybody. Yeah. No, it's true It's and then of course all the medicinal qualities of CBD as well and how many It's cool and kids and and just people are benefiting from that Well, Dave Foley told me that his arthritis was so bad that his fingers were kind of like locked in this position. He had a really hard time straightening him. So he started taking CBD. And he's like, it's so much better now. Wow. Just like my fingers have full range of motion though. Yeah. I know so many people that take it for like aches and pains and it actually helps some people with anxiety too, which is interesting.

26:59The conflict here is as you know, as majority of states in the country have legalized it in some fashion, whether it's medicinal or recreational or whatever, all these different levels, but because of the federal prohibition, essentially, you've got banking, it is a multi, I don't know, multi -hundred million dollar industry at least at this point, but in order to be able to conduct business with the bank, the bank and the business owner faces a potential federal charge of a crime. And so it's, you know, the second, third, fourth order of effects of this scheduling of cannabis is very, very far -reaching and creating a worst problem which, you know, ways, you know, okay, so we do this on the black market, is this just become a cash industry or where does this go?

27:50Yeah, and the problem also is by having some states have it legal and some They'll open up a market for illegal sales in the country and what happens is the cartel comes in and they start growing it on public lands. I had a guy on the podcast named John Norris and he started off as a game warden. So he started off as a guy who's going to check fishing licenses and stuff. And one day they find that a stream has been diverted and they're trying to figure out why while the stream is dried up. So they make their way up the stream and they find this irrigation system is set up for an illegal marijuana grow up in the middle of public land in California.

28:31So then they develop a tactical team. So it goes from being him being a game ward and now they have dogs and bulletproof vests are getting in shootouts with the cartel. So they're, because they're making millions of dollars, but they're using really dangerous chemicals and pesticides that are illegal to use on crops in America. And they're just using that shit up there. So who knows what the fuck you're getting if you're living in one of these states that has illegal pot? Because when California changed the law and made marijuana legal recreationally, they made growing marijuana without a license It's just a misdemeanor.

29:06So these guys that are just doing it now from the cartel. They're like, this is you have nothing to risk Right. You're just it's a misdemeanor and we can make millions and millions of dollars Yeah, and so they have these guys up there They have like you know rosaries and all these like Photos of Jesus and shit they find in campgrounds and they pay these guys to go out there grow this stuff and then bring it out. Harvest it and bring it out. And they're selling it. He said that, I think, believe John said, at the time of our podcast, that 90 % of all the marijuana that's being sold in the states where it's illegal is all from these grow -ops.

29:41A lot of them in California on public land by the cartels. 90%. Yeah. 90. That's huge. Even good old fashioned American pot growing entrepreneurs. The illegal ones. They keep up with the cartel. And this is because it's illegal. And this is the same reason why fentanyl's coming in. The same, I mean, don't do heroin, kids. Okay, but it should, if you keep everything illegal, you're gonna just prop up the government of these countries that is allowing this stuff to come in and they're allowing people to grow it or they can't do anything about it because the cartel has so much money and so much power that the government is basically helpless.

30:24And you're, it's being propped up by Americans. 100%. 100%. 100%. It's a rough thing to deal with because we don't want to say, let's make all drugs legal. Because my God, the last thing you want is your kid to die of a drug overdose. Exactly. So nobody wants ever kids to be doing drugs. But also, if you don't do that, you're just going to empower our neighbors to the south who happen to be drug dealers. some of them and they're making billions of dollars some drugs to America. And you're killing kids at a rate higher than ever in recorded history. People are dying, there's 100 ,000 plus people every year that are dying from opioid overdoses.

31:06Which is nuts. That's so much. That's crazy that it's happening here in the United States of America. And the thing is, this is where it's hard. It's happening because it's illegal. Which sounds so counterintuitive. The problem is if it was legal, there would be a long period of time where it would be really bad. This episode is brought to you by Life Lock. Tax season is already stressful. You shouldn't have to worry about identity theft on top of everything else. And trust me, it's a big worry. Especially since during tax season, your sensitive info does a lot of traveling to places you can't control.

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34:37That's spooky. I think that this is the conversation that needs to be had though. It's the same thing about people unwilling to even discuss, what is the right path? How do we handle this crisis that is a national crisis? that takes so many people's lives. Tell people not to do it. Yeah, right. Mm -hmm. This is a game. Just like, I don't know how well that works out. That doesn't work. It doesn't work. And it's, that's where we're in a weird spot. I was in San Diego a few weeks ago. We went out kind of to film a little mini documentary about what's happening at the border in San Diego. There's a lot of attention being put on, you know, Texas in Arizona, but California's border is a whole different dynamic, both because they've got a long stretch of border where you're crossing in and you're going straight to mountains, big open spaces.

35:36But then you've got the very dense urban corridor, I suppose, where people, whether they're coming in through the water, they're just coming across the border where they can disappear into neighborhoods very quickly. But what was there's a few things things that were very eye -opening and interesting. Number one is we know that the borders are open because we know how many people are coming through. The numbers that are being reported I think it's close to 9 million now just over the course of the Biden administration. What I saw there were people coming in and we were just driving around and we saw groups of people gathering in different locations from all over the world, illegal immigrants and seemingly happy and going to the place where they were told to go or they knew that Border Patrol was going to pick them up and knowing that they will get processed, claim asylum and most of them will be out with the plane ticket anywhere in the country within 24 hours.

36:35And so it's crazy. It's, you know, and I've talked to some of the Border Patrol agents and you know, they're not allowed to say anything on the record but just the frustration that's being felt where they can't even do their job. What is the justification for the plane ticket? They don't have the ability to house people where they are. So just like, where do you want to go? Is it? You top? Okay, here you go. Where do you want to go? New York City? And I went and I talked to a lot of them. I sat down and talked with people from Brazil, from Egypt, from Colombia, from Venezuela, from different parts of Eastern Europe, people from all over the world coming here with the known plan in this well -oiled machine.

37:25And I'm talking about this because it is very directed to the cartels, directly connected to the cartels who are being enabled in their multi -billion dollar human trafficking operation across the border by our policies, by the Biden administration's policies at the border, which is connected to their ability to move fentanyl and other drugs across the border. And so we spent a couple of days at the border there and then went into the city of San Diego and went and started talking to some homeless people and talking to people who were clearly, clearly, extremely high on multiple drugs. And we're walking around with one of the community relations police officers there.

38:08He was just playing clothes. He's walking around and keeping an eye on what's going on there. But we talked to this one guy who had a crack pipe in his hand. He seemed barely conscious, but we had a he was engaging in a long conversation with us and I was asking him about fentanyl. He's like, oh yeah, I take fentanyl sometimes. But I usually take it at night to help me go to sleep. I asked, like, aren't you afraid of not waking up? He's like, yeah, I've had a lot of friends who died from fentanyl, but I know how much to take. And I know how to manage it and have you have you. He's like, yeah, I almost died twice.

38:44And I was revived. But in then asking him, the police officer asked him, what would it take to get you off the street? What would it take to get you to a place where you can get some help and to get off drugs? And he said, he's 27 year old guy, nothing, nothing. He said, there's too many rules in the places where I could go and stay and I want to live my life this way. It was so heartbreaking to see him. His eyes were barely open and clearly in an altered state of mind, but even in that state in this conversation, how do you help someone who doesn't want to be helped? You can't. It's the problem.

39:34I mean, you could talk to them. You could hope that they could get some information from you that shifts the way they think about things, but the addiction gets so deep. And there's this thing that some addicts will say is that I feel better when I'm high, that it's the only time I feel good. It's the only thing good that I have in my life is when I get high. And if you take that away, my life is terrible. And if you've been an addict for a long time, the longer you're an addict. In fact, the more that's true, right? Because the more your life is a wreck, and then you're forced to deal with it when you come off and you realize, like, oh my God, I'm 45 years old and I'm a heroin addict.

40:14Like what the fuck? How is this? And then now your sober and your life is in shambles and you try to like figure out how did you go so wrong? And then the only thing that made you feel good was heroin, you wanna go back. You wanna go back to that. And it's also people like get really scared of success. Even success in staying sober. where they get scared of doing things well and they see comfort and failure because they've become accustomed to failure. So if they, the pressure of doing well and they're like staying sober and like keeping healthy, like it's almost too much, just the maintaining, the psychological, the anxiety, all the fear that comes with failing, that you just wanna fail just so you can just feel comfortable again.

40:56Because then you don't have to. There's no pressure. Yeah, you don't have to deal with the pressure. It's scary. The human mind is so susceptible to so many different things, whether it's cults or addictions or, you know, I mean, we're very weirdly vulnerable to a lot of like very strange things. And a lot of these things, I think, a lot of the mental issues are accentuated by social media. I think that they exacerbate them badly. I think there's lot of undiagnosed mentally ill people that are just killing themselves by being online all the time. Yeah, I believe it. I really do. I think it's terrible for you.

41:38Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's so easy to get sucked into it. It's so easy. And people that are like arguing with people constantly online. My God, what a terrible waste of time. Yeah. When that becomes your reality, dealing with people and perceptions and, you know, measuring yourself against whatever you're seeing and all of it, and you slip out of the real world in building real relationships and friendships and having real conversations. Yeah, comparing, too. The comparing is something that you and I didn't have to grow up with. Exactly. And we're very, very fortunate because especially young girls today, and Jonathan Hades' work on this has been really interesting.

42:16His book, The Cobbling of the American Mind, is a great one. And it's all about what you could see, like exactly when social media is invented, all this self -harm and all the suicidal thoughts, suicidal ideation and suicide all goes up for girls. And it's comparing themselves. Doesn't surprise me. Yeah, absolutely. It's such a bizarre thing that a person can get super duper famous, just dancing on an app that goes online and then they make millions of dollars and they're like, you're age. And you're like, what's wrong with me? You can't just leave your life and hang out with your friends. Yeah.

42:54Everyone is an constant comparison with impossible people that shouldn't even exist. And then you add the layer of AI onto that where you have complete videos and pictures of people who are a digital construct. People are paying to talk to them. There's this guy they were doing this study on AI girlfriends where people have interactions with AI this guy was spending $10 ,000 a month on his AI girlfriend. Oh my gosh. I just could get that guy. They just gotta find him. If they just find that guy, they could talk that guy into anything. If you're willing to get, you're gonna get an AI girlfriend 10 ,000 bucks a month.

43:37Yeah, you'll join the monies. You'll be in whatever comes along, grabs you son, you're vulnerable. They'll get you. But that's, you know, you look at what's happening on college campuses across the country. right now. It speaks exactly to that, that vulnerability of being manipulated or, you know, sold an ideology and then grabbing onto it as though you now have a sense of purpose. Yeah, that's the problem. The sense of purpose is like so attractive to people that there's so many kids that want to be like so righteous and they just want to like criticize and yell at other people who don't feel the same way they do.

44:21And so, like you're seeing these Israel versus Palestine things on school campuses, I'm like, my God. Which brings me to, this is an interesting thought. Like, what's your opinion on this potential TikTok ban? I oppose it. I oppose it on the grounds of free speech and civil liberties. you know, this is speaking of fomenting fear. This is one of those pieces of legislation that's, you know, if you just read the talking points for those who support it and it's supported by many people in Congress on both sides of the aisle, you think like, oh my gosh, we've got a national security risk and you've got concern for our kids and all of this other stuff.

45:09But when you actually read the language and understand the implications of what this legislation does, It's not really about TikTok at all. It's about government being able to choose what platforms are acceptable and what are not and what we as Americans are able to either get information from or put information out. And then you look at, okay, well, if they're giving themselves that authority, how will it then be enforced? Then you get into the civil liberties concern of the Fourth Amendment of government overreach and trying to figure out, okay, well, now I'm going to have to look into your phone and figure out if you're the guy who's using the VPN to illegally download this app.

45:52Then you're looking at, you know, the designation is that if you have 20 % or more ownership stake or stake in a business that has been designated by our government to be illegal because of its association with a foreign adversary. There are a few countries listed there, but the president would have the power to designate any other country of foreign adversary without any kind of, you know, Congress wouldn't have to take action. It's a unilateral move, you are also implicated if you are someone who the government determines to be influenced by or connected with one of these countries that is a foreign adversary.

46:40And so, you know, Elon Musk has talked about this. It is not outside of the realm of the, not only possible, but the probable that if they wanted to say, okay, well, you know, Elon Musk is doing business with this country that we don't like, and oh, he also owns this platform called X, X should be shut down because of this association. The, the, I think Ron Paul said it best when he said that this legislation is the most and I'm paraphrasing, but he said it's the most egregious violation of civil liberty since the Patriot Act was passed in the wake of 9 -11. And when you look at the arguments that are being made around both of those pushes, they they are very eerily similar in invoking national security concerns.

47:30And the language in the way that's written is intentionally vague that puts far more power into the hands of the executive branch, just like the Patriot Act did, to single -handedly say, well, this is a good guy and this is a bad guy. And that has a direct implication on Americans. And wasn't there another recent thing that passed that allows more observation of people through cell phones? Yes. Yes. And both of these things were actually wrapped up into that same bill that just passed through. It was the same bill. They lumped together a whole bunch of different things. They were separate previously.

48:11But the thing that the TikTok ban was lumped together with was the bill that would reinstate reinstate or extend the FISA authorities, the Foreign Intelligence Security Act authorities, for another two years. Section 702 of FISA gives our government the authority to surveil foreign actors, essentially, to try to identify terrorist threats. But part of that is they have the ability to capture all of the conversations. if you talk to somebody in another country that they're interested in, they can then go in and capture all of your information as an American citizen. And they can do this without a warrant.

48:55This has been in place for quite some time, but this legislation that was just passed recently expanded those authorities so they can go and actually look at like your Wi -Fi history. If you're connected to Wi -Fi, they can look at everything that you did connected to that Wi -Fi signal and in some other ways. It's it took an already bad problem and made it many, many times worse. And again, they're just saying, well, it's for national security. The problem here is that's the thing they always say. That's the thing they always say. And it's like, you know, I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said if, you know, if you are choosing security over liberty you will neither be secure nor will you have liberty.

49:44That's not an actual quote, but that's basically the point here. And that's the false choice that so many of these politicians are forcing on the American people is you can either be less free and more safe or you can be more free and oh by the way you're going to invite more terrorist attacks or more national security incursions on our country. And it's just it's just BS. It is BS. It's also very un -American. It is. Here's the problem with government overreach. The government is just people. Yeah. That's the problem. If you thought of them as something other than a three -letter name like DEA, CIA, NSA, just a bunch of people, Yeah, you would go well, why is this like the DEA?

50:33Why is there's 10 ,000 people Telling all these other people what to do that sounds crazy. There's way more than the nor of us if it was just in this room and Jamie turns out to be the cop and he says hey, I'm gonna put you to prison because I heard you like hemp Yeah, like Jamie fuck off. That's crazy But if if it's a government agency with a three -letter name, you're like oh, there's the government The government is just human beings. And there's just a natural inclination that people in power have is to try to gain more power. Rich people want to get richer, hot people want to get hotter like this, what it is.

51:11You know, it's like everybody wants to improve. And the government, they're in the business of telling you what to do and they want to be better at that business. And the best way is to be able to like constantly be able to surveil everything you say and do. Right. And again, it, which, Let him know and this is the problem. This is the problem is that you know every elected official swears and oath to support and defend the Constitution. Yet as we saw with this most recent example, they are so ready to undermine our Fourth Amendment rights in the Constitution in the name of national security. And I know some of them are doing it with good intention, but with without actually considering that the challenge and responsibility of those in government and those who have this power is to strike that correct balance between ensuring that our liberties and our constitutional rights are protected.

52:04You swear an oath to do this when you take this job while also ensuring, okay, well, we can do both and we must do both. We can be safe and secure and also be able to live free without worrying about every time you pick up your phone or you make a phone call wondering if the government is surveilling us and then you add on to that what's happening now where you know like January 6 for example. I was working out in the gym Marine Corps gym in Hawaii down the street from our house, bumped into a guy who I met. It's a long story but I met him when the rocks stunt double was getting his traditional Samoan tattoo and it's a whole ceremony.

52:46It was a seven day thing and so this other guy is Samoan. We met became friends. I saw him in the gym and he's with his 14 -year -old son, How's it going this and that he's like oh the FBI just came to my house out in La Ia Small rural community on the island of Oahu. It's like what's going on? It's like yeah, they came and knocked on my door Because he said I took my son to go and witness democracy So they were part of those thousands of people who were out there on the lawn of the capital and They didn't arrest them. They didn't charge him with anything But but how is it? How is it that you know years later years later?

53:22They go and find this guy in his family in a rural Mormon community in La Ia in Hawaii They're capturing all of the data of people whose whose cell phones were pinging Within the that vicinity Yes During that period of time not only on January 6 and they are continuing to widen that net Looking at flight records and who bought tickets and who booked hotels and and all of this stuff For what? You're going to go, the FBI is going to go and investigate people who showed up there on the lawn on the Capitol. You look at what they're, and this is this is my thing. It's, it is absolutely scare tactics.

54:01So we look at the power of the government and how they're now turning on the American people for political reasons. We can see where even the best of intentions with some of these pieces of legislation can lead to the very worst places, what to speak of the fact that we have limited resource and limited people. What are they not investigating? You talked about the DEA. What about the FBI and all these millions of people are coming across our border? Are they tracking who they are? No, they're not. Are they tracking where they're going? No, they're not. We have no idea people coming from the Middle East and Asia and Eastern Europe and Venezuela, a gang members like all of this stuff is happening right before our very eyes and they're going in knocking on my friend's door in La Ia because he brought his 14 year old son to Washington DC that week.

54:52And here's the question, um, was the FBI there? How many, how many people were there and how come they don't have to answer that? Exactly. They don't say. Why not be transparent? Also, they should be there. Like the government should be there in case some shit goes sideways. Exactly. Right? I'm sure they're there. But are some of the agents not good, just like some dentist suck, are some of the agents not good, and are some of the agents encouraging people to go in? Because that could be true too, because if we look at what happened with the governor of Michigan, right? There was a Michigan from Minnesota, Michigan.

55:33That story is bonkers. When you find it, what was it like, like 11 of the people involved in the kidnapping scheme were FBI informants. What? And these two dopes who just dumbasses, like ADIQ dumbasses, that just get tricked into this fucking, they cosplay and they're the way I'm gonna kick them for them. Definitely we're gonna fuck it. Get liberty, don't, they don't know what they're doing. They're stupid. And those poor fucks have to go to jail. Yeah. And the whole thing was scheduled and set up by FBI informants. like that seems crazy. Aren't there real problems instead of like creating problems and then arresting people for those problems?

56:12Aren't there real problems going on? And if there's not, like you guys good at your job, we're trusting you. And there are, you know, for sure. I know some great FBI agents and they're people who are doing good work that the problem. Absolutely, I mean great FBI agents. Phenomenal. Nice people, good people, patriots. Absolutely. But they're like dentists. Some of them are great. I mean, it's just, you know, it's, you know, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's, you know, military and a lot of forcement like, yes, you are going to find those few for sure. They are there. But, but with, so I've talked to different people than the FBI and what they've shared is that there's kind of like a bifurcation in the agency where there are people who are really, really angry and frustrated about the politicization of the FBI that's occurring by the heads.

57:02And then there are others who are just like full send, we're on board, let's go. And it's creating a lot of friction and a lot of fear within the agency. I don't know if the agency people get confused, let's just see, I probably, some similar things going on there. But within the FBI, a lot of fear that you got to watch what you say around even your own colleagues and your own peers, because there are people who are on different sides, which is horrible. Like, you are on the side of America. You are on the side of the American people and upholding the rule of law and securing our country, going after the bad guys.

57:43Well, when the bad guys now become your neighbor down the street, we're in a very different realm, a dangerous one. It's just how it is with people. Red Sox fans hate Yankee fans. It's like in the same country. You're gonna have conflict even inside the FBI. You're gonna have conflict in every group. You're gonna have power struggles. You know, you're either with Bob or you're not. If you wanna make it in this business, you wanna get to the top of this agency, you gotta stay with Bob and Bob's fucking calling the shots. I'm on team Bob, you know, like, fuck Mike. And then that's what happens with people.

58:18It happens in everything. And you have people that are, they go in with good intentions and they get corrupted by systems that are corrupt. That's for the, you know, across, whether it's the FBI, the Department of Justice, all of these. It matters, you know, who's in charge. These are all civilian led organizations. They are political appointees. And, you know, in theory, they are the people who should be held accountable, but they are setting that tone. Did you hear what AOC said? She said the people that are coming in to this country, most of them it's because of climate change. I didn't hear that one.

58:56It's amazing. It is straight out of South Park. It's straight out of South Park. Wow. Like what? Yeah, no. Oh, that's all the reason. Oh, like are you serious? Is there more? Is the climate changed more than I know? Do you know something I don't know? Like what are you saying? Yeah. What's going on down there? The best are those clips. I just saw one on Instagram the other day from like 1985 where a news casters, I think might have been black and white. And she's saying the climate change scientists tell us that we may only have 10 years before the Earth is destroyed. 1992 is going to be the year.

59:36And then whoever made this clip, they juxtaposed her clip with one from Bernie Sanders saying the exact same thing with a different date, you know, how many decades later. The problem is when you fear Manga, you distract people from the real issue. Like what is really going on? How bad are we fucking up the planet? Here's one that doesn't get discussed enough. We've killed everything in the ocean. The ocean is depleted. What was the number, Jamie? Like 90 % of the big fish are gone. Some crazy number like that. Because of just, just imagine how psychonic it is to have a species that goes into another dimension that it's not a resident of and uses nets and just takes everything it can get.

1:00:31And catch us a bunch of dolphins and shit there that doesn't want anyway and they all die. Exactly. A new global study concludes that 90 % of all large fishes have disappeared from the world's oceans in the past half century in 50 years. So that's a disaster of epic proportion when it comes to like ecology and when it comes to the environment of the world itself. We're killing most because we like sushi. We're killing most of what's in the ocean. It's bananas. And so that is getting ignored because everyone is talking about fossil fuels. And I wonder how much of this is pushed by foreign countries through social media.

1:01:20Because there is a thing that you can do and nudge conversations in a certain way with bots and with with fake statistics and with fear mongering. And meanwhile, China is opening hundreds of new coal power plans. They're doubling down on coal. And I think through TikTok and through probably Facebook and YouTube and all these different things, and Instagram, I'm sure, there's countless bots that are putting out videos and pushing narratives and find the way into your algorithm, and they affect the way people think about things. And guess what? If you go to Chinese TikTok, it's all academic accomplishments, martial arts, demonstrations, science achievements, and you can't go on after 10 p .m.

1:02:09And neither America, it's dudes with fake eyelashes. We need stories to talk. Exactly. And it's everybody telling you the ocean's going to boil. It's weird. It's, some of Ben Laden's let it to America. The letter to America thing was wild too. everybody was like, wow, you know, it's time I've been lying head to point. Oh my gosh. That's, I had a dinner the other night with a family. It was during the holiday of Passover. And this question came up about what would happen if another 9, 11 style terrorist attack or some major incident like that came up in our country today? would it have that same kind of unifying effect that occurred after that attack on 9 -11?

1:02:58And when you look at things like that, like the Osama bin Laden letter and you look at how there is, I mean, there's an entire, not an entire generation, but there's a lot of people now who I wouldn't be surprised if they said, well, you know, such an attack was justified and not have that same kind of sense of unity of like, okay, no matter are differences we got to stand together as Americans. And that's a, that should be a serious concern. It should be a serious concern also when you really take into consideration how many genuinely dumb people there are. And when you have a situation like October 7th in Israel, I saw within days, before Israel did what they did in Palson, within days, I saw people justifying the attacks on October 7th because of the treatment that Israel has given to the Palestinians.

1:03:52I'm like, hey, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy to say that you think people should be indiscriminately shot, killed, and just in mass at a fucking rave, like paratrooping. And you think that's okay because of what Israel is done. But guess what? Those people didn't do that. Those people at the rave and those people that are on the border, those are apparently according to Ari. Those are the hippies. They're the ones who don't believe that we should be. Believe in borders. They don't believe in borders. They want to be close to the Palestinians. Right. That's where some of the things that they're chanting at, that these protesters are chanting at Columbia University and some of the other ones.

1:04:30We hope that October 7th happens 10 ,000 times over. They say, you know, celebrating Hamas, is a mysterious terrorist organization. It is. It's, you know, I don't think we can just dismiss them as just being stupid, you know what I mean? Like these kids are going to Ivy League schools. They are being absolutely manipulated. And there is a very intentional ideological war that is being waged in this example by these radicalismist groups like Hamas. And they had planned this. They've been doing this for hundred of years and they're using technology and they're using other means to be able to to achieve that end.

1:05:11No doubt. As is Russia, as is China, they've infiltrated universities, you know, the the famous Uri Besmoth speech from 1984, you know, it's which is crazy when you hear it today because he called it. You knew what was going to happen. It's happening. It's happening from college campuses outward. So the most radical of these ideologies are being promoted on colleges because the kids are the the youngest, they don't have jobs in real world experience, they don't have, they're young. They have ideologies, they're a little bit unrealistic and they're all captured by this status game that's going on on campus where you're trying to be the most radical, like, oh, he's so radically propoused on, he's so hot.

1:05:54And then that really becomes a thing. You become virtuous and you become attractive. You become interesting without actually being interesting just because you have this rabid adherence to an ideology that's right now in Vogue, and that's really what it is. And I think a lot of that is funded by foreign governments. And there's a lot of evidence points to it, and we should consider it as a possibility, and don't dismiss it as a conspiracy theory. Consider it as a possibility. And so, this is the question about things like TikTok, and Twitter and all of them, Because I guarantee you it's not just foreign countries kids.

1:06:32I guarantee you there are people in this country that are using it. I know businesses do it. Yes. I guarantee you people do it to try to influence the way people think about things. And when you see posts, I've seen posts multiple times saying outrageous things. And I'll just, okay, let me click on this guy. And it's usually some letters and numbers and name maybe and a bunch of numbers. And then I click and I'm really oh fake person. Yeah, just go through all their posts. Yeah, it's all just retweeting inflammatory stuff and It's a nutty fucking crazy Politics takes and like really aggressive takes on things and like wow How many of them are there?

1:07:16Yeah, I there there's there's no there's no question that this is happening and and the social media algorithms are feeding it and playing playing right into it and in our attention and our are the commodity. 100 % and if they can just trick you and to buy some stuff along the way, that's great. Exactly. Whatever thought that your data would be so valuable. That's the thing about when you and I were younger, it meant nothing. Your data meant nothing. Like, nobody, what is it? What are you talking about my data? Exactly. Here's our own data. Right. What is that? Why would anybody be interested in that?

1:07:52My first inclination that data meant something was, I bought Dianetics. I bought that book. I'm like 1994 when I first moved to Hollywood and Scientology never stopped sending me thing Like we got one. Yeah, they don't like oh, that's how they get you Yeah, and then they get you to join. I guess you have to give them a piece give a taste Which doing the group Yeah, and so data now is responsible for the largest corporations in terms of like the amount of money Yeah, like think about Apple how big Apple is and how much data Apple has Apple's better with data than Android systems are, and Google's terrible with it.

1:08:32With their ditches, there's a siphoning of data. That's the fallacy, and that's the falsehood of the argument for people who are pushing that TikTok ban bill, is if they're claiming they're concerned about data security and privacy and making sure that our data is protected, you got to do it across the board. Yes. Because every single one of these social media or big tech companies collecting as much as they possibly can And if you think they're not selling it To the highest bidder whether they be an American company or a foreign company. Of course they are this is there This is their business model wasn't there some controversy about one of the DNA companies whether it's ancestry or one of the other ones There was where they sold their data to China.

1:09:19I think so. I don't remember which one You saw everybody's jeans? Like I didn't know. You could do that. I wouldn't have signed up for that. You could sell my jeans to China. Like if China was like offering free DNA test, was it? No, it was being sold to China. Who they sell to? Uh, Clark, so Smith, Klein. A big pharma. Ooh. That's even scarier. And who do they sell to? They could sell to anybody else too, right? It's 23 of me sells anonymous DNA in a drug company for 20 million. I'm saying that much. Not that anonymous guys. It's a lot. Yeah, of course guys. Of course wasn't there one with China though with ancestry Yeah, good good.

1:10:00This is 23 and me. No, this is interesting also. This is interesting as well. I'm interesting Twenty million dollars. I remember something about China. I mean, I just typed in data sold and that's what comes right I might be on the wrong forum, so I might be on some good spirit 12 forms. I'm out of gun to deep on the JFK rabbit hole the other night. This is what you said. Oh, okay, China. There it goes. Ground breaking move that has sent shock waves through the biotech industry. 23 of me, the leading personal, geonomics and biotechnology companies officially announced the sale of its entire DNA database to the Chinese government for an astonishing $10 billion.

1:10:41Wow. Yeah. So that's the one I was looking for. But I'll just add that that's only coming from a medium article and not any other articles They're saying that Jamie why do you have to fuck it up with us? I'm gonna put you in the stand what's happening? I don't know. Jamie is on it. Why you gotta fuck it up with facts? Yeah, who knows but your data is extremely valuable. That's weird and it's also valuable to humans. It's humans selling other humans data. Whether you call them Facebook or Google or the DEA and they have it's just a bunch of people and if they don't have to follow The same rules that you follow then we have real problems and when you have Entire groups of people that are dependent upon technology that's controlled almost entirely by one ideology And then you let the government get involved like they did with Twitter and you see the Twitter files She's like, oh Jesus, like this is bad.

1:11:39Like you let the government have a back door and they started sneaking around and telling you what to do, what not to do and you were complying. People were telling other people that they couldn't have experts from Harvard and Stanford talk about medical problems. You gotta stop this, stop those experts from talking, remove those posts, ban those people. like the government is saying that. Exactly. Exactly. Even if they're not saying, hey, do this or else, even if they're not making an explicit threat. Just the fact you're getting requests from the government. Exactly. What are you gonna do? The FBI is calling and saying, hey, we'd really like you to do X, Y, or Z.

1:12:24In my mind, I'd be like, okay. Like, what am I gonna be investigated for outside of this if I say no? Also. What are the consequences gonna be? If you're a person working at Twitter, right, this is not you, they're not investigating you. They're investigating someone else, right? So if they're going in, they're talking about these posts, like, hey, this expert is spreading misinformation and this is like, they're causing vaccine hesitancy or whatever they're causing. We need to stop this, put a stop to this. Like why is the government being involved in a dispute between doctors and the pharmaceutical to go drug companies.

1:13:02Like what are you doing? And how do you know? Did you guys adjudicate this? Did you guys get in front of a court? Did you guys get in front of experts? Did people testify? Did you have someone who's pro and con this? Someone who lays out this argument? Did you examine this? No, no, no, you didn't. Now you just contacted Twitter and Twitter said okay. Because what are they gonna do? They're fucking executives. If you're working at Twitter and this old Twitter and you're like super woke. And you know you just been drinking lattes and going into the meditation room, then also getting an email from the FBI, I don't wanna fuck up this job.

1:13:36I got a cushy job. And you're like, okay, what do I have to do? Okay, I'll do that. So you do that. And that's not good. It's not good to have that kind of power being wielded by other people, they're just people. You could call them the FBI and call them the DNA. They're human beings. And human beings that have that kind of power over other human beings in a country that's supposed to value freedom. That's the thing. In and of itself is un -American. And that's where this isn't just like some rogue FBI agent doing this or some rogue, you know, bureaucrat in an agency who's going and doing this.

1:14:14This is an expressed policy coming from the Biden administration in this example, to go and use big tech to silence certain people's voices and to decide who does the government want to be heard and who needs to be silenced. And obviously we could talk all day about the cozy relationship that many politicians have with Big Pharma and it's not a surprise that they're going to act in favor of Big Pharma rather than in favor of the truth or free speech or people's health and well -being, but the fact that this was and is the Biden administration's policy to decide that they are the arbiter of what is misinformation, disinformation, what is information, what is true and what is not, and that they will use the tools available to them both within the government, as well as outside of the government in the case of big tech and social media to be able to enforce that.

1:15:14And that's really the, you know, for people who aren't paying attention to this stuff at home and are just trying to live their lives and, you know, go to work and take care of their kids and just live their life, it's easy to fall victim to like, well, the government wants what's best for us and they don't want us to be manipulated by misinformation or disinformation. And so this is the line that they use. Like we're doing this for you. We're trying to protect you. So once again, we're going to take away some of your freedom and some of your privacy and tell you what, you know, who you should be listening to and what information you should be getting.

1:15:50The King knows. Yes. The King will tell the people how to live. Yes. And this is how you wash. This is coming from the same people who are telling us that boys can become girls on any day of the week because they feel like it. Yeah, and Rachel, Levine is the first female ameral. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, they wouldn't win. Which isn't. And then they stand there and say, well, we are the champions for women. If they cannot even accept objective truth. Well, living in the strangest of strange times. I also think that a lot of that stuff is being accentuated by social media, manipulated intentionally.

1:16:29Because I think if you can just get those narratives out there enough that affects the gullible people, that affects sensitive people, that affects people in the spectrum, that affects a lot of people, and then they start getting rewarded for leaning into one type of ideology and then it's affecting people. We are affected by our environment and to pretend otherwise is just silly, especially when you talk about young people. Young people are particularly susceptible to propaganda, which is why they have young people where suicide vests. That's why. You can't get a 50 year old agnostic dude to wear a fucking suicide vest.

1:17:09You know, he's gonna go, what am I gonna get when I blow up? I'm gonna go to heaven. Can you show me? You got a video, is there a YouTube video I can watch? Like what do you, what do you say it? Yeah, but you could talk a five year old into it and that's what they do and that's sick. And it's just as sick to try to like indoctrinate them into these crazy ideologies because it's just people want other people to join their fucking team. It's a common thing that people do. That's what's so concerning about like we're seeing being the fruits of the shift in our education system away from actually teaching about the Constitution and, you know, the founding documents and the Federalist papers and the thought process behind that went into forming the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in our schools.

1:17:59Basic government, basic 101 on what is this country really about? What is the foundation that we were built upon? and what does it mean to you in your everyday life and talking about the Bill of Rights and the First Amendment and going down the list because that has been absent, largely from our education system for so long, it creates, again, this vulnerability of young people being susceptible, they're not rooted in ideology of freedom. And what that means in our lives and why it's important, why we will fight to defend and protect it. And so then they're like, well, I don't know. Maybe what Hamas is offering is a superior ideology, or superior value system than what we have here in America, which a lot of these kids are saying, whether they realize fully what it is or not, they are falling victim to that ideology, that radicalism is ideology, which would be completely oppressive in the lives that they are trying to live here.

1:19:05Yeah, the whole proposal behind it is best highlighted by the meme queers for Palestine. Yes. And then Palestine for queers. Exactly. The difference between, like that idea is so crazy. What you're saying is so nuts. Yes. And it's just this fuck the system, fuck the government, fuck the patriarchy. It's this ideology that gets promoted. that's it's like frivolously wanting to destroy the foundation of this country. Yes. And they'll say it openly. We want to just stop colonialism. Okay, and then what? Then what happens? What do you have? What do you have? You have warlords? What do you have? What's going to run the country?

1:19:44How are you going to run it? We can do it all the guns. Well, that's where, you know, this, again, Hamas had this whole thing planned, like, you know, gaining the compassion and the sympathy of the world. And - How did they plan that? How did they think that they were going to do that? That they knew how Israel would react and they were ready with social media and all of the means of communication to play on the sympathies of people, the compassion and kindhearted people around the world. Turn people's attention away from the 1200 people that were murdered and killed and the people that were raped on that attack on October 7th.

1:20:30Their goal being ultimately to influence populations around the world towards this islamist ideology that they want to govern the world under Islamic rule, under Sharia law. And we've seen already how it's been successful in some parts of the world, even in Europe in France, somebody was saying that I think it's 25 % of France is already living under Sharia law. And so this ideological war that's being waged is not, it's being waged by one side and there's not a counter narrative. There's not a counter war being waged on the other side to defeat it with the superior ideology of freedom. So what we value as a society.

1:21:17And that puts this mission and this effort. And it's not just Hamas, obviously Al -Qaeda and ISIS and other terrorist organizations around the world. They all have that same objective which poses this great, the greatest short and long -term threat to people who value freedom and to civilization. And we're also so uniquely vulnerable in that we do have this sort of democracy. You know, it's obviously heavily influenced by money, but and then with the open borders, so you have all these people funneling into the country, and so you have an erosion of confidence in our entire system, because people are very aware of that, and the more people will let out a jail after they commit violent crimes, the more people are aware of that.

1:22:10If you looked at the whole picture, all the things that are in play right now, particularly like with the open borders and giving people plane tickets and flying them to all these different cities, like, if I was going to try to destroy the country, that's how I would do it. If I was going to try to destroy the country, I would radicalize the kids, I would give them the stupidest ideas and run them in their head. Boys can be girls, girls can be boys, boys can compete against girls and sports. If they think they're a girl, a Queers for Palestine, you know, the death to the Jews yell it out unironically on campuses and have the presidents of those colleges and universities defend it, which was wild completely with cameras on them.

1:22:57Yeah. It shows how close they are. It shows how afraid they are of actually calling out what is right and what is wrong. I think it's also shows how they live in a bubble. and I don't think they interact with the real world. And I think when they did, the shock was probably, it was probably horrifying to just realize how most people feel about what they said. It's not harassment unless it's actionable. Like what the fuck are you saying? You're saying death to the Jews, so you have to kill Jews. And then it's harassment. Exactly. Is that a little late? I was shocked like everyone else at not only their statements, but how every one of them sitting at that table on that day said almost the exact same thing.

1:23:46And knowing how much preparation, because when people come, I don't care who you are, but when you come and testify before Congress, you go through preparation. And if you're the president of an Ivy League University, you're going to have a whole team of people sitting there telling you, okay, well, here are the questions you should probably be prepared to answer. the question that at least the phonic asked was not outside of the realm of like, here's what the frequently asked questions would be. And the fact that their answers were all the same and how they were smirking as they were giving that answer, I was very surprised by, maybe I shouldn't have been as surprised given what they're doing.

1:24:27I think we're sending our kids to cult camps. That's what I think. I think they get indoctrinated into this. They don't all, some of them skate through, some of them are wise, some of them realize this is crazy. Can't wait to get the fuck out of here, get my degree and then go to work. But some of them just get locked in and then it becomes their identity and it's dangerous. It's dangerous also because, look, kids don't want to listen. Okay? And if you have kids, they don't want to listen to you. They want to rebel. And when they finally get to go away somewhere and be on their own and your dad's a banker you like fuck that asshole Capitalism is bullshit You wear a chaque with RIT Chat GBT to answer your homework you like the whole thing is nuts And then you're allowing those young people to just trying out being an adult with a voice and an opinion and trying to be profound Yeah, and there's no consequences to to actions.

1:25:24No, it's weird It's weird. It's weird. It's weird. It's weird that people can't see it and I'm glad that some people are pulling funding Yeah, like there's a lot of people that are donors are like hey fuck you like this is crazy Yeah, and so that's fortunate that there's some sort of a blowback But you know even that woman from Harvard even though she got she's caught plagiarizing exactly many times Yeah, if you were a grad student you got caught plagiarizing though They'll be a ramp for you But meanwhile she keeps making the same amount of money. They just gave her a different job Did he mean a fire?

1:25:55No. The whole thing's crazy. It is. The whole thing's crazy. It's like that's supposed to be Harvard. Yeah. It's supposed to be the smartest people amongst us. And when you heard that lady talk to like, Hey, how did she get to the top? That seems bananas. It seems like you probably had some better choices. Like, was there any other considerations? Exactly. That she got that gig? Exactly. The play drills and doesn't freak you guys out. Right. Isn't that opposed to everything that you stand for? Yes. I'm glad. Yeah. So what are you doing? You're not the best in the brightest anymore. You guys are doing nonsense.

1:26:32This is a cult camp. You got a cult camp, you're indoctrinating people, and where are you getting your money? How much of that money's coming from China? And how much of the influence is coming from Russia? How much of the influence in the past has shaped these people? So you have this system where academics go to school, they learn, they get indoctrinated, and they start teaching and they never enter into the world world and they make this cycle and those are the people keep in Doctrine more people and now they're infesting these social media apps and they're infesting all of these tech companies And everybody else is like what are you doing exactly?

1:27:08This is crazy. Yeah, but it's all coming from universities. It's coming from the kids that get in Doctrine and these ideologies And I remember when I first started talking about this in like 2015 or 16 whenever the Jordan Peterson thing was happening People or it was a first was Brett Weinstein and evergreen college and people like why do you care? What's happening in these obscure colleges like hey? They're gonna graduate yes like when I see fire and it's five miles away I don't go. Oh, it's five miles away. I go hey. We got to get the fuck out of here now We get out of here now fires coming.

1:27:39Yeah, get out like this is like you don't see that these kids are gonna leave school But they're so crazy. They believe that you should have a day where you tell white people they have to stay home. When it used to be that it was an appreciation of people of color so they could take the day off and they would get paid and you go, oh, I really miss Mike. You know, I really miss Tonya. It'd be great if she was here and boy, it's hard not working with her, and doing her job and my job at the same time. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. But telling people white people they have to stay home and then threatening them with baseball bats, If they don't have people roaming the parking lot with back when I saw that I was like this is crazy and so many people We're saying why do you care?

1:28:20Well? They're gonna go out in the world and if this is happening there It's not an isolated situation. It's happening other people and then the Jordan Peterson thing into Rantel and like Okay guys now everyone is sort of realizing like oh this is a real problem This is infesting the world this ideology is pervasive and And it's not well thought out. No. It's not just like fact -based objective assessment, being kind and understanding and taking into account all the variables. No, it's like a cult. Yeah. The problem is not everyone is seeing what's really happening. You still have the AOCs of the world and many people within the leadership of the Democratic Party who this is the direction we are headed.

1:29:09And that's a very dangerous thing for so many reasons, but obviously because they're in a position of power and how they're using that power and how they're undermining the rule of law and choosing again who gets to speak freely and who gets to go and do whatever they want, break the law, disturb the peace, acts of violence, know because what you think that their cause is justified. But meanwhile others who would do the very same thing be charged with a crime. Imagine if AOC got to write history books and they said why do people sneak into America in 2024? Oh climate change. Like 20 years from now climate change was so bad that people were walking from Guatemala to get playing tickets to fly to Michigan.

1:29:53Like a real are you sure? Oh my gosh. I sure that happened. Maybe there's other variables. What do you think? Maybe he's encouraged. Maybe there's a whole red cross map that they could follow. Hey guys, yeah, maybe some of the stops along the way. They only speak Chinese and they have Chinese signs. And it seems like there's a concerted effort to get people in from China. Hey, something going on. No, just climb a chain. That's so simple. So nice to be able to just write something off. That's just as bad as the people who break into stores in New York City. they're just hungry and trying to steal bread for their starving kids.

1:30:29Yeah, that was a good one too. Yeah, yeah, that lady. Forget like the, you know, the guys who go in and like steal 50 Apple iPhones from the store and run out and jump in their car. All of these other things, it's hard to believe that a person who's a member of Congress can say that with a straight face. Well, the best one was, do you ever see the conversation that she had with the news reporter, where the reporter was asking her to clarify her thoughts on Israel and Palestine. Yes, I did. That one's wonderful. She had nothing to say. It seemed like she didn't even know where they were. Like, if you gave her a map and there's had no names on it, which one of these is Israel?

1:31:12What do you know about the history? What happened in 1947? What was going on before that? Who lived there first? Yeah, exactly. What's Judea? What's that place? What's the biblical significance of these locations? Any, you know, how long is this dispute been going on? Yeah, you know, what's happening? Yeah, how much are we funding this? It they're these Girls who again, I don't know where this video. I'm sure it's everywhere now, but they were Left Columbia to go and stand with the students protesting at NYU and And somebody said, well, why are you here? They're like, oh, we're here to stand in solidarity with the protesters.

1:31:56What is NYU doing that you're protesting? Oh, I don't really know. And then she turned her friend, she's like, why are we here? What are they doing that's wrong? And the friend said, I wish I was more educated because I don't really know either. Well, you know. They just have to be in virtue. Somebody asked us to come, so we're just coming to stand in solidarity. Well, there's this thing that you can do now, where if you just yell out the thing that's popular, now you become cooler than you really are. It's a new thing you can do. And if you're like really rabbit about it, and then you can demand other people to do it on their social media, like how come you're not putting a black square up on Tuesday?

1:32:34I mean, this all of these things, I mean, these were major drivers for me in leaving the insanity of what has become the today's Democratic Party, and where I have seen and heard directly from so many people who are or have already woken up to that fact of literally just being common sense minded Americans who are just there's no explanation, there's no logic, there's no rationale that you can give for these kinds of things happening and not just by some rogue member of Congress. I mean, it's happening from the very top. Yeah, and it's, it's, it's the consequence of money being involved in politics and that seems like that web is so deep and those roots run so deep that to try to stop that now is almost impossible.

1:33:30It's almost like the only way to solve this is to give corporations conscience. It's like the only way to solve this is you've got to figure out like who is funding what and why. Why is so much money being spent on this versus that? And one of the things about AI is that if AI is asked at a certain point in time when it becomes like sentient or really super powerful, like what is a solution between the conflict between Ukraine and Russia. And what's the cause of it? And AI gives a real, comprehensive analysis of the US government funded coup from 2014 and how NATO has been moving arms closer to Russia and lays it all out.

1:34:21And this is the definitive objective, no ideology, no bullshit reason why this is happening. And these are the companies that are pushing the conflict and this is the amount of money they're making from it. And here's the amount of money that's missing because there's corruption involved in Ukraine. As much as people don't want to admit, one of the wildest ones was Candace Owens on Twitter where the New York Times, they tweeted her like, what evidence do you have of corruption in Ukraine? And she's like, from your own fucking newspaper, and she texts posting links. It's like, do you guys not even check before you tweet out?

1:34:59not do journalism. Well, they were also the ones that said the New York Times said that that bomb landed in the hospital and killed 500 people and it apparently landed in the parking lot and killed a small number of people. Yeah. And it probably was not from Israel, but was actually some one of the Islamic terrorists had launched a bomb and it accidentally landed in the parking lot. Yeah. Yeah. And no no effort to actually truly not not in the find print on the back page of the paper, but actually make sure that they got the facts, right? Well, and certainly no equivalent coverage of the actual true story versus the original story, which you should do.

1:35:40Like, yeah, maybe you got that information, explain how you got that information. Same people read the newspaper, read this, and now they know. Like let them know. Don't just fucking hide it. Don't pretend you didn't fuck up. Yeah. I mean, it's the same reason why with Julian Assange, you know, back when, you know, his criminal charges were first coming up, they were saying, hey, this is a threat to journalism that you can't suppress the free press. It is a violation of the First Amendment. And if you go after Julian Assange today, they could go after a New York Times journalist tomorrow. I think we were seeing it from the Washington Post and some of the other mainstream traditional news sources, but the script was totally flipped and they shut up real quick and turned their sights against Julian Assange after he released Hillary Clinton's emails.

1:36:30Why? They're a political, they have become, unfortunately, a political arm of the Democrat elite. And it's the same reason why they stopped reporting on actual corruption in Ukraine because they get, okay, what's the narrative that we've got to push? Yeah. and they're not going to go against it. Not allow facts and journalism to get in the way of that. It's spooky. It's spooky for people that count on them for the news. It's like, okay, now who do I have to trust? Who can I listen to? And it turns out it's like a lot of independent people. And those are the ones that are free. They're free to actually report for now.

1:37:05You know, these laws are passed. Did that TikTok thing pass? It did pass. So that's it. Yeah, Jesus. Yeah. Do you know how I'm currently it will be challenged. I'm sure it'll be challenged in court I don't know I don't know by who or what what the next steps will be But I'm sure it will be challenged right now. I believe that president Biden signed it into law Actually, I know he did but the the timeline of execution You know, I think what they they gave something like 180 days for tiktok to be sold to an American company Oh great give it to Bill Gates but but even even if that like you know that that's a pretty a pretty tight turnaround When you look at that, but that doesn't negate all of the other Provisions within that law that further violate our civil liberties.

1:37:57Do you know Adam Curry? I don't Adam Curry used to be an MTV VJ He's the original podcaster. He's the pod father the real number one brilliant guy But I had them on the podcast quite a while ago and he said that all this Uproar over tiktok is total bullshit. He said what it is is the Chinese are eating our lunch Like they've developed an app that is more addictive and Collects data just like our apps do and we don't like it We don't like it because their their one is way better and so they're trying to do something to shut it down Because they're using it to influence us and like hey, where are the only ones allowed to do that?

1:38:35And that's what he thinks. And when he said that, I was like, I never really considered that. Because I always was like, oh, this TikTok is like really bad. You've got to like read the fine print. And it is bad. I mean, if you look at the terms of service, like when you're dreaming, you know, the conditions that you agree to, like they get to monitor your keystrokes. So that means they can probably monitor your passwords. They can probably check out all your emails. They get to monitor other computers that are connected to the network, even if they don't have TikTok on them, like it's by Nannas.

1:39:07But who else is doing that? Yeah, exactly. That's the point. When you and I are having a conversation, and then also we talk about Toyota trucks, and there's an app for a Toyota truck, like, hey, did you guys know that we were talking about, are you listening Google? Exactly. What are you doing? How do you? Google met a Facebook Instagram all of it. Oh, do you know when I'm interested in it? Right, exactly. Because I try to sell you things. They're all trying to sell you things. Of course, of course. Yeah, and the best way to sell people things is find out what the fuck they're talking about. Yeah.

1:39:36What do you want? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it makes total sense, of course. Like, Elon and X was, well, Elon specifically was the only one who stood up amongst our American big tech companies to say, no, this is a very bad bill. The others, to my knowledge, were very, very silent or they were actually coming out in support of it. Competition makes sense. The other piece of that is other than X and TikTok, the Biden administration has been very successful at working with Google and Meta Facebook Instagram in being able to control, quote unquote, disinformation and information. So when you look at from a government standpoint, well, why, if you're concerned about data security and privacy, why aren't you doing it across the board and treating every social media company that Americans use with that same standard, well maybe they're just going after the ones that they can't actually control and intimidate into doing their work for them, which is why it makes sense, why Elon Musk and others would say, well of course, if today it's TikTok then why wouldn't it be X tomorrow?

1:40:49It's interesting to me that people don't seem to understand the value and importance of of a guy like Elon, who was this wild billionaire character who looks to dunk on people. Like that guy being like, did you see the thing that he posted the other day? Because just one of the guys who was like from Facebook, I believe, said that what Elon is doing is corruption on like an N -ron level, I think he compared it to. So Elon posted a photo of a dog laying its balls on another dog's head. I did not see this. It was like dunking on his dude. I'm like, how wild is this guy? And then someone said, did you really spend $44 million billion on Twitter so you can dunk on people?

1:41:37And he writes 100%. He's like, I don't know how he is. Time for this. I mean, I don't understand. It doesn't make any sense to me. I do everything else that he's doing. He's a fascinating guy. I mean, his brain is a fucking tornado of information just flying around all the time. And I think it helps him to be able to just fuck around and be silly. But he was the only one that recognized that there's a real problem if you have the entire narrative being controlled by one ideology through all the social media apps. And that's what's going on. Exactly. There are tech companies, tech companies have hired people that are coming from universities and they're all infected by this ideology.

1:42:20and it's nuts, that's the case. And then they've done a really good job because if you go to like GAB or any of them, especially initially, it was so nuts, you're like, oh my God, I gotta get outta here. It was like, like go into a Nazi party, like, oh, like even if you're not a Nazi, like they're Seek Highland, the Royal, like shit, I gotta get outta here. I don't know how I was doing those rooms. I don't know how it is now, but I guarantee some of that was fake too. I guarantee when they came up with these alternative platforms that people wanted to squash the idea of having people that were free outside of Twitter and Facebook that were reasonable people that just wanted objective conversations, which I guarantee most of them were.

1:43:02Most of them were tired of being censored on Twitter and shadow ban and all that shit. So they try these other, whether it's gab or truth social or any of them. I guarantee you, if I was an intelligence agent and I was inclined to do, I would get in there and start seeing Highland. I'd go crazy. I post the most racist memes and have everybody salute. I'd go nutty. I'd have fake accounts liking those things and getting excited about it and reposting it because that's how you make a place toxic and that's how you kill the competition. I would do that. I would do that if I was running Twitter. If you were just a kid, I obviously wouldn't do it.

1:43:38Me as a person. Yeah, I know of course. But if I was a evil fuck, I would be like, this is the way to do it. No, it makes sense. It makes sense. How do you make it a place where people don't want to be? How hard is that to do? You hire a bunch of people to do it. You get algorithms. You develop them. You start posting memes and shit. Yeah. Easy. Now you make it toxic. Yeah. Now I look and they're like, ugh, you gotta get out of here. Exactly. Yeah. And so then you don't have an alternative. And you go back to Twitter and you just deal with the fact you're being censored and you deal with the fact that if you're a left -wing person you can say the most outrageous shit even call for violence against people.

1:44:09Twitter caught selling data to government spies while complaining about surveillance, infrared penny, and for a data mine. Is this recently? What is this saying now? That they have a deal with a company called data miner. And what does data miner do? Use AI technology to constantly monitor public activity on social media and other parts of the web. In doing so, it's clients often law enforcement can receive customized real -time alerts of what's brewing on what's brewing online, which helps in the response to natural disasters or more ominously spy on protests notes the intercept. Okay. But also does allow them real -time alerts of what's brewing online.

1:44:53So you're not saying they're censoring people. You're saying that they're allowing them to look at data. So that data could be like how many people are posting about some sort of a protest, will they want to burn down a church or whatever the fuck it is. You're talking about a different thing than banning people from posting things, especially these people that are experts, from Harvard and MIT and this is a different thing. I've seen, I've seen, I mean, there's a data minor app. I've seen how the information flows through. I don't know what the, it says the story revealed the surveillance firm pays for special access us to a fire hose of data from Twitter.

1:45:37I'd be curious about what that fire hose of data is. This data miner has a unique contractual relationship with Twitter whereby they have real time access to the full stream of all publicly available tweets. So, but it's just publicly available tweets that are already available. So it's like a very high level search function. A company representative said an email to the government agency for the report. So is that like a search function like because it's all public tweets So they have access to the stream of all publicly available tweets, but doesn't everybody have access to the publicly available tweets?

1:46:17Not with AI right Right, but if you did have an AI say like say if you had a AI whether it's Google's AI or any AI And you said hey go look at Twitter. Tell me who's talking about Nazis right curating curating the tweets that are coming into your feed That's part of what he's been complaining about online is how many people and they blocked access to many programs that That did have access to the API Because it costs money for them every time someone's taking that so they just kind of cut it all off Like I used to use tweet deck to look at Twitter all the time that doesn't work anymore. You get to pay for it Interesting how come because I Honestly don't know Arguably it would just be like it was a good feature so it might as well make people pay for it because you need to make money But how much sweet debt cost it's part of the pros you pay for pro Okay, okay, and then there's the other thing where like Apple takes a slice of that if you're getting it off of your iPhone right if you get from the app store if you that's where as if you pay if you pay for it on like Twitter on the website No, but if you use the phone app on your phone That's what I'm saying apples got the wild this thing going They have 30 % of everything.

1:47:27They have so much money. They have more money than countries. There's a lot of countries still not as much money as Apple. Yeah, I believe it. It's pretty nutty. That's being challenged, I feel like, in a lawsuit too. Right? Well, there's certain things that Apple does that are thought to be anti -competitive in it kind of a creepy way. And one of them that they just recently got rid of is the lightning connection, right? So up until iPhone 15 or 16, 16, what are we on now? 16. We're on 15 now. So up until 15, you have to use a lightning connector, which only works on Apple devices. Now you can use a USB -C, which is way better.

1:48:12It's better for data, it's better for connectivity, it's better for charging, get faster charging, like the Android phones, like particularly like Samsung Galaxy, you go to full charge is like an hour or less time. Because it takes faster watt charging than the iPhone does. And for the longest time, we've much better transfer of data because of USB -C. It's just a better, more efficient system. But Apple's like, yeah, you gotta use it. So the European Union, I think that was the problem. They couldn't sell them over there, but they were emitting illegal. So then they have to switch it over to USB -C.

1:48:47So now everybody at least has a universal thing. And then there's the problem with text messaging. So if you have an Android and you send me a text message, it comes out green. And I said you want to come to green because it's text, it's SMS. And so now they're going to adopt RCS. So the idea is since you can't have iMessage on everything, at least you'll have encryption and you'll be able to send large file sizes. and that's what RCS is, which is like a higher level of text messaging that's been enjoyed by people who use Android's, but not when they communicate with iPhones. iPhones were forcing people to use SMS, but it's shitty.

1:49:26It's inferior. You get blurry images and videos, not the same resolution. It cuts it all down because that's a fit in the SMS format. So now you'll be able to share photos just like you will with an iPhone with an iPhone to iPhone. Interesting. So no more green text messages? The text message will still be green. Oh, interesting. But now it will be. Yeah, they want to make you feel like shit. They want you to feel like shit for having a different device. I think I, yeah, exactly. It works. It does work. The thing with kids. I think with teenagers, see if this is true. I believe I read that there was something like 86 % of all teenagers.

1:50:06It was some high number of All teenagers use iPhones That like you're shunned. Yeah, you use an Android. Yeah, which is crazy. It is crazy weird. Yeah, but that's how tribal people are We're tribal about our cell phones. It's nuts We're tribal about the kind of computers we use kind of sneakers. I'm gonna do the sky flop Nike You know, like people are crazy. 87 % of teens in the USA have an iPhone. While 88 % expect an iPhone to be their next phone according to a survey from investment firm, Piper Sandler, that is a monopoly. It's a huge monopoly. That is wild. Yeah. That's wild. And how they control their apps and how much money they make off of the apps.

1:50:47Well, also their whole ecosystem is amazing. It's really good. They figured out a lot of really good things. Yeah, like it's so convenient that I can write on my computer and then I could transfer it to my notes And it's automatically on my phone exactly. I don't have to do anything else at all the time. It's so good Yep, that's so good. You can do that with Samsung You can do that with Android You can do that. It's just you know you'd have to switch systems and like read learn how the it's not hard to do They're pretty intuitive. You know, I have a Samsung phone I have an older one I have a Galaxy one of the altars that I used to think took a clear photo of the moon but it's actually bullshit.

1:51:24Yeah. You know that story? No. No. They got me. They got me. There was a feature that's still a feature. It's kind of amazing. It's called moon shot. And so you could be looking at the moon. If you look at the moon with your iPhone, and try to take a photo, it looks like dog shit. It looks terrible. Because it's just like this blurry thing. It would be zoom and it looks terrible. But with Samsung's, when you zoom in, it holds a square over the moon and it enhances it. And it gives you like a hundred X zoom. So you get this crazy digital zoom. You zoom it on the moon and it looks really clear And you take a photo but it turned out it was just AI because no Yes, because some clever internet people because you can't fool the internet What they did is they took a blurry image of the moon and they put it on a desktop computer and then and took a photo with the camera of the blurry image on the desktop computer, and it filled it in.

1:52:22It made a pretty. Wow. That's kind of smart. That's a smart hack to figure it out. I've seen people try to argue away and say, well, it's actually no different than how AI enhances normal fighting. Nope. No, you take a picture. No, you're talking about the moon. There's a lot of detail there. What if there's a UFO I missed? Right. You're trying to tell me the mothership is circling around the moon and you're lying to me guys are liars But oh man the technology is actually superior on those phones the sound songs. Oh, yeah It's it's quite a bit better the screens are quite a bit better the screens have an anti -reflective coding on the new S24 ultra so even in bright sunlight when you're outside you could read your screen perfect It doesn't you know the glare that you do you try to look at your phone like this.

1:53:11Yeah, you don't have to do that What's interesting you also have? Superior battery life you only have like a tiny little circle that's missing from the screen for the camera You don't have that big -ass stupid bar that's in the front for face ID There's a lot of things that are there it has a pen you could write on it like it's just it has AI features It lets you translate in real time you and I can be having a conversation you could be speaking Spanish and it would show me in English in real time and then I could speak to you in English It would show you in Spanish. So the phone gets split down the middle So this side faces you and that side faces me and we would have a conversation and I could read what you're saying Hmm and then you could wear these earbuds and it'll translate it in real time.

1:53:56Oh wow, which is crazy That's incredible. It's crazy I tried using the the Google translate app when I was down at the border and talking to different people from different parts of the world. And it sucked. It's like the intent I think was for that to happen is like you just turn on the microphone and then I could speak and they could see in the screen like it's translating into their language and then they could respond in their language and you're just seeing it play out real time but it didn't work. It just didn't work. The thing froze or it didn't translate and then you got to push all these buttons and then even then Well, the Samsung one is using AI and I think it's the most advanced version.

1:54:35It also has a thing where it lets you organize your notes in AI. And also, it'll change the tone of your text messages. It'll suggest things that are more polite or more friendly. Yeah, there's like mose you can do. So you can do AI for that. You could also... That might piss me off sometime if I don't really want to write a polite text message. Right. Well, then you don't have to. You could write it in your own language. We can write it however you want but then you can also ask it to make this more polite. Oh wow, okay That's what it is so it's not easy to see how about you be a little nicer Okay, there's not policing me it also will summarize web pages so if you go to a web page I want to read all this shit.

1:55:17Yeah, give me a summary and it'll oh Instantly Say this is what's going on. This is the problem. Here's here's what's the dilemma. Yeah, yeah, oh It'll break things down to you so it's using AI on the phone. In constructive ways. But 86 % of kids don't have it. Yeah. Have you heard of this unplugged phone that Eric Prince is doing? Yeah, I have heard of it. It's interesting. I just got one. I haven't set it up yet, but it is what they're saying is the most secure means of communication. Obviously, technology is never 100 % secure, but But the fact that it does not have the same add ID numbers that every one of our other phones has, Apple, Samsung, whatever makes it so that we are able to protect more of our information than we would otherwise.

1:56:12You're right, but do you get to use apps with that? Yeah. Can you use Instagram? They have their own operating system and their own apps, but you can also download whatever apps you wanna download. But if you download the settings you are able to actually Make it so that Instagram is not able to collect the kind of data that they would otherwise yes so What is it operating on like what opera is it like graphene like what is the? I haven't set it up yet It is it is an operating system. They they got the guy who as Their CTO who created the Pegasus system. Oh great you could trust him. That's that was my question.

1:56:59If you're gonna make, well first of all, if you're gonna make, there's two sides of that. There's two sides of that. Is if you created it, then ideally you would know how to protect against it. Right? Yes for sure. Or you would say look the kind of people that want a phone like this, these raw raw fuck the government people like these type of people that might get visited by the FBI. Give them a phone, call them like the Patriot phone, or whatever the fuck you want to call it. I'm making a nice little phone call. I'm not saying that it is. No, no, no. Well, I, that's why I asked them like, it sounds like this is the perfect kind of phone for people in the military or people are conducting different kinds of operations because of all of these protections and so on and so forth.

1:57:43And they said they're intentionally not selling to the US government because they don't want that doubt to be in people's minds that this is some kind of op that's happening that will allow some kind of surveillance take place. Anyway, it's interesting. That is interesting. There are other phones that do that. There's phones that operate on, they operate on an operating system called Graphene OS. We take a phone like a Google phone and they de -google it. So they remove all the Google stuff and then there's There's a bunch of detailed instructions of how to do it. And then they put this new operating system on, and when the new operating system works, all your shit doesn't work.

1:58:24Like all the normal Google services, and all that stuff. It's a completely different operating system. Yeah. So there's, they have figured out how to do both. You can toggle on and off what mode you want to be in, and it's got the VPNs and everything else. Mm. That's a suspicious hippo face. Yeah. Yeah, skeptical hippo. Yeah. Yeah, if someone did figure something like out that, be great. I've asked Elon about that once because I had read this story about a Tesla phone. He's like, oh God, I hope we don't have to make phones. But it's the way he said it. I hope we don't have to make phones. Interesting.

1:59:03Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because when you look at the interconnectedness between Tesla and you look at obviously the power element and the car element and then you look at the content platform that they are building X into, like the vision that they have for it to be the one stop shop, not only for all different kinds of media, but for payment and interaction and business, commerce and everything else. It's interesting when you look at that direction. It is also interesting. Connectivity. That if you have a Tesla and I have one, I love it. You can't get Apple CarPlay. Doesn't come with no Apple CarPlay.

1:59:47Fuck off. Fuck off, stupid. Use our shit. So what can you use them? Just their organic. Well, you can Bluetooth your phone. Like you can play music. Like if you have Spotify hooked up to your phone on Bluetooth, you play a song on Spotify to play on that. Yeah. And you also have like there's a lot of options like Spotify's built into the system Spot like so you could just like tell it You could like press it play notorious B .I .G And just start playing random song you can tell what song to play interesting He press a button you say hey navigate to a TV steakhouse Okay, bam it'll take you there, okay, so and it's got this big ass huge screen Yeah, I think this is giant like I don't know how long it is what how long is the screen our cars?

2:00:29It was like 18 inches looks like it's about 18 inches right and it's just massive map so like for navigation everything it's great yeah but if I was gonna make a phone I wouldn't allow Android or Apple to like have CarPlay right right right right he's my shit and then once he developed an ex -phone yeah I wouldn't be surprised I could see it I could see it I'm sure he's thought of it I'm sure he's thought of it other than me saying that yeah I'm sure that's not the first time he thought of it Yeah, because if anybody could pull it off, it's probably Elon. It's probably Twitter and X whatever. Yeah.

2:01:06If they came up with a SpaceX phone, all the nerds would be like, Oh, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, come on. Especially it was good. Yeah. And especially if people move to more secure messaging systems that are end to end encrypted like signal, which also I get skeptical about. Like, I've read something on some one of the forums where they're saying that a signal was funded by CIA money. Is that true? Which is not, that's not good. And then there's WhatsApp, which is owned by Facebook. Yeah, but WhatsApp is not a secure form of communication. Is it not? No. Is it Suss? No. It's more than Suss. Super Suss?

2:01:46Yes. That's what you say, super Suss. It's confirmed Suss. How about that? Freedom of the press foundation Acted as signals fiscal sponsor between 2013 2016 the project received grants from the night foundation the shuttle worth foundation and almost three million from the US government sponsored open technology fund Yeah What does that say down don't around reddit Article claims signals origins as a US government asset are

2:02:23asset are public record and a lack of funding is because of the CIA. Found this article that makes it claim that signals origins as a US government asset are a matter of extensive public record, even if the scope and scale of the funding provided has until now. Does anyone here know what public records they're referring to here? It says if so, does anyone have links to these public records? This means signal is a honey pot. They also say that signal handed people over to the CIA. I like to know what actually evidence of that exists if it's true, that kind of sucks. That's what it says there. But Tucker said that he was communicating through signal and that the government contacted him and said, we know that you're setting up a meeting with Putin because we read your signal.

2:03:12I didn't know you could even do that. Well, this connects directly back to the Pfizer section 702 law because if they are surveilling certain foreign entities in Russia then an American citizen like Tucker Carlson communicating with them the government is then able to just Immediately go in again without a warrant and saying okay. We got a go before You know a judge and even if they do go before a judge It is a secret court. There is only one side that's presented, which is the government saying, we need to go and capture all of Tucker's data. For example, I have no idea if this actually happened, but let's say that's the scenario.

2:03:54That court, and this is public information, that court approves 99 .999 % of all requests that the government makes to go in and surveil American citizens. It's essentially a rubber stamp, which is exactly the problem, But that's where I could foresee. Okay, well, Tucker's communicating on signal. This surveillance law that just was strengthened recently when Congress passed it and Biden signed it into law. Allows that to happen. Hmm. So it's all bullshit then. So signal, unplug phone, all that stuff. If that's the case, if they have the ability to read signal, don't you think they have the ability to read every single piece of information that gets sent from your phone, they can intercept it and read it.

2:04:41It just makes sense to me. I believe that. I don't know how you're going to protect that. Maybe I'm ignorant, but I don't understand how you could protect that with a different operating system as long as it's using the same cell phone signals. It's like, I understand that you're saying it's encrypted, but is that encryption impossible to crack? Like, isn't that, is there a source of that encryption? Could and someone just get the phone and let's figure it out and back engineer it seems like we could. An interesting thing about I asked this same question about this unplugged phone. If you're using, which I hadn't heard before about any other app, but if you're using their version of signal, their texting app that you can do calls in FaceTime and whatever through with another app on another unplugged phone.

2:05:28Every time you connect a caller, you send a text message, it generates a new encryption key versus signal, which is when you download it and you set up your account or whatever, that is your key. So would you have to have a non -plugged phone for me to talk to you in that encrypted app? That's what I, yes, I believe so. So you'd have to have it and I would have to have it. I believe so. Because I don't know that their app is available on Apple, for example. Right. See, that would be interesting if someone developed something that did that, that developed a new solution. The generation of a new encrypted key every time you're using it.

2:06:09Yeah. And starting a conversation, that's... It all seems... But, you know, it's true. It's a huge hour race. Yeah. It just seems like the boundaries between people and privacy... Signal facing collapse after CIA cuts. Oh, Jesus. This is an investigative journalist on a website. I then looked up as account is suspended on Twitter or X. I don't know why, but this is an article that says some interesting things. Hmm. But I don't know how much of this is fact. That's almost why I hesitated to bring it up, but does say a friend of mine, so hold on a second. Never acknowledged any serious way by the mainstream media, signals, origins as US government asset or a matter of extensive public record, even if the scope and the scale the funding provider has until now been secret the app, brainchild of shadowy tech guru, Moxie Marlin spike, by the way.

2:07:05That's quite it. He came on the podcast. He's not shadowy. He did, really? Yeah. So on the podcast. Wow. Not shadowy at all. Interesting. No, like regular guy. Yeah. Like some of this is probably horseshit. A real name Matthew Rosenfeld. How dare you Moxie? You have a fake name? Was launched in 2013 by his now -defunct open -wisper systems. The company never published financial statements or disclosed the identities of its funders at any point during its operation. Some's involved in developing, launching, and running a message app used by countless people globally will nonetheless, surely significant, the newly published financial records, indicates signals operating costs for 2023 alone are 40 million and projected to rise to 50 million by 2025.

2:07:51Rosenfeld boasted in 2018 that OWS never took VC venture capital funding or sought investment. At any point though mysteriously failed to mention millions were provided by the Open Technology Fund. That's the money. Oh, here we go. Open technology fund was launched in 2012 as a pilot program of radio free Asia, an asset of the US agency for global media. Oh boy. Which is funded by US Congress to the tune of over one billion annually. In 2018, the then CEO openly acknowledged the agency's global priorities reflect US national security and public diplomacy interests.

2:08:40That sounds sus. Is that super sus? That is super sus. I just like you say in super sus. Yeah, that that that's a little iffy. It's very. If it's true, if it's or if it's not true, it's a disinformation campaign designed to cripple signal and to lose people's trust to signal. Yeah, perhaps that last thing there though is is is is a separate issue of concern of the United States government funding. US propaganda essentially in different parts of the world. I would like to talk to real nerds about this phone, this unplugged phone. Yeah. The real nerds. Yeah. I would like to have the real nerds look at this and go, yes or no.

2:09:28Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I'm curious as well. Yeah. Is there reviews of the unplugged phone by any of them super smart people? Oh, but they have them Brian Cullen has one tell see you have one yeah, it says by now, but I don't

2:09:49Oh, so it's not pre -order It used to be pre -order like till recently. I'll just show you where I saw Preorder today, see right It says the positive 49 got but just go to the actual I did and that's where like I Oh, so it maybe it used to be maybe that was the link at one point in time it said pre order Okay Be interesting if people use this but it's like I mean I need that I need someone to tell is that is it 1900 bucks I have to in the card. Well you buy and phone I'm just a psycho. What are you doing? I'm trying to see what I'm gonna ship. Psycho's gonna ship in three months. I mean, it's not.

2:10:29We're very smart, you know what I'm saying? Right. What if we start using those? Hmm. I don't know. Yeah, it is very interesting because there are other phones that I've seen in the past who have tried this and not succeeded. And I don't know whether it was a virtue of, you know, the time in our country where people maybe just weren't that interested in having a secure means of communication or a secure phone. Well, people don't want the inconvenience and most people don't have to think about this, right? So they're not thinking about the government looking at everything they do. What are they doing?

2:11:00Just trying to get laid and drive fun. They're just trying to do normal stuff. They don't care. But if 86 or whatever the number was, percent of kids use iPhones, they are locked into that ecosystem. You're locked in with your photographs, you're locked in with everything. And you've got Apple Pay and you've got the whole thing. Everything. All you need is your phone. You use your phone. I use my phone as remote control to control Apple TV. It's crazy. It's really, it's actually better than the real remote control. Interesting. Because you could type on the keyboard. Instead of doing that stupid thing, we have to go, oh gosh.

2:11:33Yeah. Letter by letter. Oh, so, try to find a movie. You can take five minutes to type it out. You can just type it on your phone. Interesting. Yeah, the Apple remote control thing is fucking great. It's better. The problem is when you have these walled gardens like Apple's ecosystem, it's very difficult when you have everything over there. All this stuff, your email, your this and that. To jump off of that. It's hard. And most people don't ever do it. They just go, too much work. I'm like, whatever you're on. Whether you're on Android or you're on Apple. But they try to make it easy. They try to lure you over.

2:12:08They try to get you to switch. Nobody wants to do it. I think that's where it is interesting to me that more and more people are paying attention to government surveillance, their ability to reach into our private information and who is allowing that to happen. I think they count on the majority of us not being aware. I think that is the case today. The majority of people are not aware and they don't think of it as a primary concern. The majority of people are way more concerned about climate change, you know, because that's like it's a majority of people I think it's a lot of people they they'll say it at least how much they know about it is weird a Vat conversations with people when they talk about okay, well they all agree We've got to act now about the climate and I go what did you hear like tell me what you hear?

2:12:57Yeah, there's like have a conversation let them just spill it all out. Yeah, like don't even challenge them Just let them spill it all out. It's like a OC talking about Palestine and Israel's like I'm not really a centimeter deep. Not exactly. I'm not sure. Something bad is happening. They don't know what they're talking about. And if you say, have you ever looked at a video of the difference in the shoreline from like 1987 to today? Have you ever done that? Have I done it? Yeah. I've seen for Hawaii. Yeah. What's the difference? It's bigger. It is. It keeps getting bigger. Because Hawaii grows because it's a volcano.

2:13:32But when you look at the shoreline in a lot of places, it kind of seems the same. And also these like fucking psycho rich people are buying houses like on the beach. Do they know something we don't know? Like don't you think if they've really thought that the oceans were gonna rise 100 feet in the next week that the fucking insurance companies will go, hey, you're not gonna, you can't buy that. Or even the next five years, I mean, you know. Well, people are having a hard time getting homeowners insurance in California because of the wildfires. Yeah, that's true. That's a real one. That's a very big issue.

2:14:04That's a real one Yeah, that's a real one and you know, but they're not having a hard time with the right next to the water. Yeah Like no one's getting it's not like tsunami insurance. Yeah, it's you know, I mean like they even have that tsunami insurance I don't know I Want to say yes. I bet that's like carved out. I want to say yes I want to say no. I think if you're a dumbass it buys a $50 million house in Malibu like right on the wall, I want to be on the water. Like, hey, bitch. You know which water's out there? Where's the water? So we had the active volcano that we've had on the big island for so long, but the actual flow that happened through neighborhoods when the floor of the volcanic shelf within the crater fell through.

2:14:50The lava went down and started flowing through all of these lava tubes that were running beneath full, full, fully occupied neighborhoods. People had botland and built houses in those neighborhoods, knowing it was, I think it was a lava -3 zone, which is like, you're building on top of an active volcano's lava tubes. You have to know that you're assuming that risk. Well, that when that happened, there were lava, spouts, and little mini -creators that were formed within so many of these different communities. We were going around there. I was with the head of the Rhodes Division for Hawaii County and we would go and look.

2:15:30And like as soon as there was a crack in the pavement, we like, okay, we got to mark that one down in the map because that is the next day. You see the steam coming up as though it's a lava vent and then within the next day or two, you would have an active like 20, 30, 40 feet in the air lava sparing up right in the middle of like a normal kind of suburbia -ish neighborhood. And this happened in over 20 different locations within this particular area. And it was mind -blowing to go there one day after the other after the other and see how quickly a beautiful little neighborhood turned into a complete bed of lava.

2:16:13So this then begs the question, like, oh, is your home insured? There was one insurance company in the entire world that would ensure homes that were built in a lava three zone Did they go under? Well, I don't think they went under Because it's so freaking expensive most people just didn't have it Most people couldn't afford it. It's a gamble, right? It is a gamble and it was amazing to see how so many residents there recognized like okay yeah we knew we were getting this land it was pretty cheap built a beautiful house knowing that this possibility could occur and frankly just it was amazing to see their respect for mother nature and knowing like we chose to live here.

2:16:58Madam Pele is doing her thing and yeah we're gonna have to figure out something else. So what is going on right now in Maui? Can I say a quick quick break? Yeah, yeah. This is a good one to talk about, right? It's a very important one. Yeah. We're back. So we were just about talking about Mal. Yes. So what is going on right now post fires? No one is rebuilding homes yet. Their mediation effort is still underway. And the biggest challenge for the families who are directly impacted by that, who were left homeless is the fact that they still don't have anywhere to go. You know, they've been put up in Airbnb's or in hotel rooms for a period of time.

2:17:49On Maui, the hotels are like, hey, we need to be able to start welcoming in tourists back into the island. And so the governor is trying to work out a plan to be able to provide some form of semi -permanent housing for people. If they were to try to go out and rent a house on the market, it is purely unaffordable. And there are a number of families who are now faced with the tough decision of, do we just pick up and go and move our life out of Hawaii and to the mainland? Which is heartbreaking, given how many of those families. I mean, they've been in that community in West Maui or in Lahaina for generations.

2:18:26What is happening with the people that had mortgages? So if they had a mortgage and their home was burnt down and they haven't gotten money from the insurance company and they haven't been able to rebuild. So they still have to pay that mortgage while this is all going on. You know, I haven't heard that raised as an issue. I would hope that the mortgage company would recognize what's going on, but that's a good question. I haven't heard it raised as an issue from either residents or as part of the conversation around housing for them. Why has no one been able to rebuild? There has to be, there are so many layers of toxins in the ground that have to be cleaned up and removed before people can go in and actually start to rebuild.

2:19:13But to speak of just the inspection and the permitting process and so forth. So the layers of toxins just from the fire? From the fire and you know you had like a gas station with underground fuel tanks that burned like completely to ash on the ground The toxins that came from all you know different construction and and everything else that exists in the environment So all that stuff burns It gets in the soil it gets rained on so the ground is contaminated right right. And this is the reason why they can't rebuild. Yeah. And they knew from the outside, it was it was a known fact that it would take, I mean, if it only takes a year, that is an expedited timeline is what I've been told.

2:20:01How long has it been now? August will be one year. August 8th. The most insulting thing was the $700 one -time payment from the government. Like that is who said yes to that? Who allowed that? At the same time releasing this number where they accidentally had sent Ukraine $6 billion. Remember that? Yeah. They said, oh, well, we lost track of this $6 billion. And so now that we've found it because of some accounting error, now we can go and send it to Ukraine. And they were automatically assuming they were going to send that anyway. Of course. Of course. But no consideration at all. No, you know, I remember specifically when the fires had just happened, the White House brought in the director of FEMA to talk to the White House press corps and someone asked the question, what are you, FEMA?

2:20:53What are you actually doing for the people who've been impacted by this tragedy? And the director stood there with a straight face and proudly said, well, we have provided a one -time payment of $700 to everyone who has been impacted by this fire or displaced by this fire. And that was her big announcement that she was there to make. One single one -time payment of $700. So that means you have 700 servings of ramen. Pfft. Basically. Basically. I mean, you can't even rent a bedroom in someone's house for $700. It's just it's it's certainly you can't for eight months. No. That's what's crazy. No.

2:21:36700 dollars is so crazy. It's just such an insulting and ridiculous number and the fact that they haven't given more It's like but yet they're flying people around on airplanes that come in illegally through the border Yeah, just like how much that cost yeah, exactly. What does that program cost exactly? What is that cost multi billions of dollars if I had to if I had to guess it's You know FEMA has other services. It's a lot of bureaucracy It's a lot of paperwork and residence on Maui. They were being told like okay, well hey if you accept this kind of aid from FEMA You are seeding some sense of your sovereignty or decision -making ability With regard to your land or your property and all of these all of the red tape essentially that that caused a People a community who are rightfully skeptical about government coming in and saying okay, well, we're gonna help you when that same government said, oh yeah, hey, we may at that time, and the governor said this, and then he corrected himself later on, but he's like, oh yeah, we're thinking about and talking about how we can turn this entire place, have the government take ownership of it and turn it into some kind of memorial or some kind of workforce housing, which obviously made people really freaking mad to say, like, oh, who the hell are you to come in here and say, you're just going to take our land?

2:22:59You're just going to take it and do what you want with it? So they're obviously very skeptical, and rightfully so about, you know, the fine print. What does it mean if I accept a few bucks here there from the federal government? What power am I seeding to you to determine my future, the future of my family in our home? And unfortunately, the rest of the country has forgotten about it. By and large, yeah. Yeah, there's always a new thing in the news. There's always a new thing to pay attention to. There's always a new fear. One of the things that has just recently come out, First of all, the Maui Police Department, they did an audit of what went wrong, what did we do wrong, what should we have done better, and kudos to them for actually doing this.

2:23:42And I think they came up with like 92 recommendations on things that needed to be fixed. They shared that with municipalities all across the country as like, hey, here are the hard lessons that we learned. You guys should take note and try to protect yourselves from having to go through what we went through. Other agencies at the county level and at the state level have not been so honest or transparent about their shortcomings. And the most egregious one recently that our local news and Hawaii exposed was the head of Maui's emergency response division. He was off island that day. He was out of all places, a FEMA conference on a Wahoo when the fires happened.

2:24:25And instead of doing what any compassionate and responsible person and leader would do, you'd immediately get on the first plane out. You get a notification there this, you know, this fire is happening on Maui. I got to be there with my people and I got to lead my teams to respond to this emergency. It took him a few days to go back to Maui, first of all. But the thing that was, and I don't know if you can find this Jamie, but they released his text exchanges that he had with his assistant, who was telling him, and he's like, what's going on with the fire, LOL, and the assistant responding, saying, ha, ha, ha, this place is like a circus.

2:25:06Their exchange was so disturbing. Doesn't even put it lightly when you know there are people who are being burned to ash burned alive in their community and their text exchanges like oh ha ha ha is the fire still going lol yep now it's going in another place I couldn't I couldn't believe it when I read it and this was the same guy Herman and Daya is his name he he didn't show up and and show his face publicly until like seven days after the fire and then he went and he did one press conference and then he quit and resigned. But there has not yet, and I hope investigations are ongoing, there has not been any kind of accountability at the various failure points that existed in this response.

2:25:59If the government wanted to take over that land, the best way to do it is to drag this out and make it so that people have no other choice. They have nothing to do. They can't do anything. And they just tell stories about it. We used to own that land. Right. There's a native Hawaiian leader, famous surfer, navigator for the Hokulea and traditional Hawaiian navigation, Archie Kaleppa. He has been one of the most stalwart leaders for the community during this whole period in time, organizing emergency response and food and shelter. And community gatherings, people come and play music to get the end of the day throughout this whole crisis period and has been leading the charge.

2:26:44He's very well respected in the community in holding that line and saying we are not giving up our land. But as you said, it becomes a much more difficult argument to make when people, you got to live, you got to be able to make sure your kids have what they need to go back to school and all of it. and how can you do that when you're in a constant state of transition with no real timeline, where they're not coming and saying, okay, hey, you can go and start rebuilding on this date. Right. So they're gonna have to do some sort of a cost. I mean, like building a house from scratch. Right, crazy.

2:27:19Most people don't have that money. Yeah. And then also, like, how long is this clean I'm gonna take? And like, when does it start? And what do they have to do? I mean, yeah. It is ongoing. It is ongoing. but it is massive excavation and it's ongoing. So it's ongoing. It is ongoing. Do you have an anticipated timeline? I heard from one guy they were looking at, well, hopefully, maybe it might be September, it might be October, but it's one of those things that one of the guys who's out there actually doing this just saying, well, you don't know what you're going to deal with until you're actually dealing with it and it might take longer.

2:27:53It might not take as long, but it's one of those things that they're not figured out as they go, but they are being confronted with things as they go. Is this one of those issues where you wish that maybe you still were in Congress? Yeah. Yeah, because at least you could be talking about it. Because I'm here. That was my hope. And I talked with leaders in Congress and people who I still know there and just calling for oversight and accountability from the federal government. Because we saw many points of failure, everything from the immediate response to the whole water issue and the fact that there wasn't any water coming through people's hoses during that time.

2:28:32No, why was that? The history of water on Maui is complicated, and it's largely attributed to that of the fact that the water is a privately owned utility, and how that water is controlled, there is limited use of water at different times, how it's controlled and where it goes. And there was a state water management official, apparently, who had some say in this saying, well, I don't think that we should turn the water on for this period of time because we don't know exactly what's going to happen. But my point is, all of these things need to be very clearly investigated because people's lives and property were absolutely destroyed because of this.

2:29:23So was it because that water is a valuable commodity? They didn't allow it to be used by the people that were experiencing the fire? There was some implication of...

2:29:37I don't know. It was like, well, we want to make sure that the water is being distributed equitably. And so we don't want to give it to one group of people it over another group of it. It really didn't make any sense what the argument was, but it was like, hey, you missed that critical juncture in that window because you were trying to ruminate. It was something to do with equity and some theoretical argument rather than this is a community in crisis. There are fires burning in various different places. We need to get water to people who need it. There's also the thing about having above ground wires, right?

2:30:20Which is crazy. It is. It plays that experience as storms. It plays that experience as storms, but also on West Maui is traditionally a drier part of the island that also experiences wildfires, even small ones on a regular basis that if they're not immediately controlled, you end up with what happened. And it's so disheartening that it's not receiving more attention. Yeah. Yeah. This is, you look at the things that we've talked about. What are they actually focusing on? Yeah. And that's where the opportunity, and it is such a dire picture. You know, it's a time where we are surrounded by literally insane people who are making decisions that further their own interests and their desire to either hold onto power or grow their power at the cost of the well -being of the people and at the cost of our fundamental freedoms.

2:31:26And that's where, you know, this election, our using our voice, our defending our freedom of speech by speaking the truth and speaking freely, all of these things and our engagement with them as Americans, as citizens, it matters more than anything else. Because if we continue to go down this track, we will continue to see our freedoms undermined until we wake up one day and this will no longer be the America that we know and that we love. That's a scary thought. Until the last few years, I never would have thought that was the case. I would be like, now we're going to be okay. Now I'm not so sure.

2:32:12Yeah, because I mean, we've gone through the political power switch from one side to the other and back again and you figure like, okay, well, I disagree with this person or this issue or whatever, but being grounded and having the confidence in the Constitution and these fundamental rights and freedoms is kind of like, okay, well, you know, we'll figure out the rest. But all of that, for everything that we've talked about, censorship and control and big government overreach and all of the government surveillance, all of these different things point to the very real risk and domestic threat that we face.

2:32:56Yeah, there's just so many factors that are simultaneously taking place. There's surveillance, there's the invasion, which is kind of an invasion. I mean, you call it open borders. You can call whatever you want. It's people coming here that aren't supposed to be here. And I'm for immigration, just for them figuring out who's criminal. Well legal. And this is the thing. I've got a friend of mine who's about to retire. Special forces Green Beret served over 30 years in uniform. Great American who's dedicated his life to service. He's about to retire. His wife is from a European country and they want to invite her sister and her sister's family to come to the retirement ceremony.

2:33:43They're residents of Italy. They have been denied a tourist visa to come to America for two weeks to attend this special forces warrant officers retirement. How is that? And these are like, hey, they got a family, they got young kids, they got school, they got jobs, and they were denied saying, well, we don't, you know, we don't think that you have, we don't have confidence that you will come back to your life in Italy. And yet, again, people are coming through the border every day. Being picked up, border patrol has become like this uber drivers for people who are breaking our laws from the moment they step across the border into our country illegally.

2:34:27And okay, so then they go out in the country. Nobody knows where they are, who they are. Are they really going to show up for a court date in two years or three years? And nothing is really truly being done about this. Yeah. Seven years. Seven years between then and the court day. Okay. It's your yeah exactly. Exactly. It almost seems like it's all designed to erode our faith and to make this whole thing something that's way easier to control because the way our system is set up right now with if you can express the freedom of speech if you actually can do that it makes it very difficult to really to control a narrative.

2:35:08That's it right there. That's it right there. Control and power and they're terrified of a truly free society where we can have a truly free open marketplace of ideas. They're terrified of people being able to, you know, and I saw this when I ran for President in 2020, we're seeing it again in different ways in 2024 where they want to control what information you get about certain candidates, what information you're not allowed to see, who is being pushed forward and who is not, and undermining our basic responsibility as citizens, which is to cast an informed vote and engage in our democracy and actually have a government of buying for the people.

2:35:49They're terrified of us doing that and making what they believe is the wrong choice. So they're trying to take away our right to do it. So they can remain in power. And in their minds, I fully, I know many of these people and they feel justified in what they're doing, that they are the righteous ones, that they are standing up for America and standing up for democracy so much so that they are willing to destroy our democracy to save it in their minds, which is a dangerous, dangerous mindset that we could see in foreign dictators in different parts of the world and throughout history. It really is.

2:36:24And it's astonishing how few people are willing to accept that it still takes place today. They almost have this thought that those things have been sorted out and that you know that was the case in the past and even though history is filled with it and there's actually no instances of it not taking place. Right. You know, but now don't be silly. Right. Now we've got it. We've got to leave hands and that might have had Jan Werner on here from Rolling Stone, Jan Werner. Yeah. He was trying to tell me that the government should regulate the internet with government. But the same people that lied about weapons of mass destruction, those people?

2:37:01No, no, not those ones. Everybody wants daddy. They want daddy to come along. No one is going to save you. No, exactly. They're going to save you. That's it. People Maui know that. They know that now. Yes. No one's going to save you. Yes. And we have to be aware of how fucking crooked the system is. Yes. And I don't know how we're going to get out of it. I don't, I don't, but I'm very happy that people like you at least you have the courage to talk about it and so few people do and It's it's a strange strange time to be alive. It's wonderful in a lot of ways It's amazing in a lot of ways, but it's also it's like treacherous.

2:37:41There's a lot going on right now That's like it really makes you wonder there's so much fucking subterfuge and shenanigans and so much money being funneled around and moved around It's just like I think that's where there is a silver lining in what we have been through, through COVID, and through everything that's happened since. I think more and more people are waking up, and at a minimum, just questioning what they're being told. Is this actually true? Looking for information and news from other sources than maybe they had been before. Yeah, and and just what you said no one's coming to save us.

2:38:22I think that that is the message I'm carrying. I'm on the road constantly and I'm talking to people whoever will listen at events and on different media platforms. It's what I focused on in my book for love of country. The truth about what is happening in our country, the experiences that I had in the Democratic party that caused me to leave the party and understanding that in this situation and there's a lot to be fixed across both parties and the government, but in my experience and in the situation we are in right now with the Biden -Harris administration, they cannot be allowed to remain in power.

2:39:01We can agree or disagree on different issues and it's good and we should and we should have those conversations. But when you look at the unprecedented abuse of power that they are engaging in, undermining the rule of law, politicizing our government entities, targeting Americans, targeting Americans who happen to be their political opposition, whether it's Donald Trump or the mom who's protesting at a board of education meeting to have a say in what kind of education her child is getting. This is happening across the country. And if we, the American people, don't do something about this and stop them and hold them accountable, what happens in these elections?

2:39:42If they're allowed to remain in power, they will tell us, hey, you gave us a mandate. You said, hey, good job, thumbs up, keep at it. And we'll see everything that's happened. Just continue to escalate to a point where I have no doubt that our freedoms will be eroded to a point where it'll be virtually impossible to get them back. And where do we go from there? America no longer becomes the land of the free in the home of the brave. It becomes the land of people who are controlled by the government and forced to comply or else. And if you dare to have the courage to speak up and speak the truth or say, hey, look, guys, the emperor has no clothes on.

2:40:22Boys are boys and girls are girls. And that's just how it is, then you will experience the retaliation or the consequences of that action. Well said. Thank you, Tulsi. Show your book for love of country. Love of country. Love of country. Talk now. Did you do the audio? I did. I recorded the audio. There's a little line on the top of the cover there. You might recognize. Oh, it's me. I appreciate your words, your friendship, your support, and your being such an incredible stalwart voice of truth and providing a platform for real discussion, where people can come and listen to those who have different viewpoints, different backgrounds, different experiences, and maybe they walk away agreeing or disagreeing, it doesn't really even matter.

2:41:16but having this kind of platform is such a powerful thing for everyone. The crazy thing is it happened by accident. Yes. So I went and I was invited to speak of this Passover event a couple of days ago, but the guy who picked me up at the airport, his name is Avi, works in New York, their family hosted me and he's like, oh, where are you going next? I said, oh, I'm going to go, I'm going to go to Austin, I'm going to see Joe Rogan. and he's like, I am like, he's like, I'm kind of pissed off about how popular he's gotten, because I was one of the OGs, from the very beginnings, I know the roots of the Joe Rogan experience.

2:41:56Anyway, it was just, you got a lot of fans, but he was particularly owning the fact that he knew Joe Rogan before Joe Rogan was, you know, the Joe Rogan experience. Isn't it funny that people get upset when things get popular and other people find out of something that people are so weird? But people do that with bands all the time. Because it's like your thing. It was a mainstream. Now everybody likes some, it's like everybody likes the thing I like. It sucks though. Yeah. That's the beauty though of what you've done is like you've been you the whole time. And there's no like, oh Joe Rogan's gone mainstream and he's different or whatever.

2:42:34It's like you're you and I think that's what people are attracted to is just you know, you are who you are. I think that's what people are attracted to with you as well. And I'm very happy you're out there and I'm very happy that you created this book I'm really happy that you did the audio of it. Yeah, because I don't really really You know, I before I recorded it I do a lot I do more audio books as well than I do I read it every now and then but most of Time I'm actually like if I'm on a plane sometimes I read but yeah most of the time I'm sitting there listening to stuff in the sauna or listening to something when I'm It's for me it's a use of time.

2:43:09Exactly. It's much more efficient. Exactly. It was, I poured my heart into writing this book. And I care very much about the issues that we're talking about. And I care very much about our country. And so in some parts of the audio book, it was emotional talking about some of the experiences that I've had. and while I was deployed and really truly conveying what's at stake and the responsibility. And so I go through a lot of the problems. It's important, obviously, to talk about the solutions and the call to action for every one of us as Americans. Why don't you care what your party affiliation is?

2:43:54That's not the point here. I'm urging people to leave this Democrat party behind because they are abusing their power and undermining our constitution. Just as our founding fathers did when they created these founding documents, they disagreed heavily on a lot of different things. They had fierce arguments and debates, but they came together around the most fundamental principles of our country that are centered around freedom. Our ability to live in peace and pursue prosperity, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Now is the time that we have to come together as Americans around those foundational principles and get our country back on track.

2:44:36That is the most important task before us as Americans. Otherwise, it'll be too late. Here here. Thank you Tulsi. Thank you, Joe. Great to see you. All right. It's embarrassing. Goodbye everybody. I don't know, yes.