#2145 - Colin Quinn

22:33I mean, they got us. They got us. They won. They won the ideological battle. They've destroyed our universities. Yeah. They destroyed our fake system. They didn't. We did. Yeah, but they did. They infiltrated the universities. It happened way before that. In my opinion, they just went like this. Well, they did it was go like this. You ever see Yuri Besmanoff talk about it? He's a defector from the KGB. He talked about it in a famous interview from 1984. We talk about it way too much. So I'm sorry if you're hearing this again, folks. But he basically laid out exactly what was going to happen to America in 1964.

23:05And he was saying it. Yep. Or excuse me, 1984. He was saying that Marxism and Leninist ideas have been, they've infiltrated all the universities with these ideas. They're teaching them with children and you have like two generations from now, you're going to be fucked. Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. It started long before any of this China. He didn't say it. He didn't say it. He didn't say it. He said Russia did it. So Russia was doing it. So they're actively subverting our education system. But I feel like the idea of this kind of thing started long before, you know, before, I mean, it's been around a long time because people like, hey, it sounds fair.

23:41Like equality sounds fair. Right. So then they slowly started bringing in and people, the general narrative is if you say, if I say to you right now, I just say anyway, I think America is a great country. People go, oh my god, you hear this psychopath? Well, you're a lady. He's the dumbest person I ever met. Yeah. So I'm saying, if you start from the premise that America is evil, which is basically the premise today and everything we do is, you know, based on oppression and violence, then anybody that goes against that, there's something evil about it. Yes. So I don't think that was Russian in China doing that.

24:22I think that was us doing it. I think Russian Chinese influence it, particularly Russia. I think they just agreed that they were well useful idiots and all that stuff they just talked about. Yeah, but I think they didn't, I didn't think they had far to go. I don't think you could do it unless people wanted to go along with that. Well, it's also a situation where your universities are almost entirely dedicated towards one ideology. That's right. You don't have any, look, there's clearly over history. Regardless of what you think about right -wing people, clearly over history there have been brilliant conservative people and should not address that and to not have those people talk and to only allow liberal people to talk or progressive people to talk.

25:01You're going to get a distorted world view. And that's what kids are getting. That's well, I mean, even just the fact that Russia and China didn't force them to stop people from speaking at these places. You know what I mean? That's what's been going on for whatever amount of years. Yeah. And you're like me, you know, some right -wing guy or, you know what I mean? You're not, but you've been pushed into a category that people are saying, you're this kind of guy because they're so far to the left and so stringent ideologically that if you fluctuate, you're out of the loop. And that's a cult. It is a cult.

25:37But isn't it, I mean, it's one of the beauties, one of the beautiful things about America is the amount of freedom we have of expression. And when you have that and you have 330 million people, you're going to have a certain percentage of people that are just off the rails in saying, and if those people are rabid about it and excited about it, a lot of people find that attractive. Just like a lot of people find Islam attractive. And they don't just find it attractive because of the discipline and the tenets and all the different things that seem to resonate with some people. They find it attractive because those people are all in.

26:07And you want to be on a group that's all in. Like if I leave, they'll kill you if you leave. But you can join. You can join, they'll take you in as a brother. Oh, I want to join. And then people just, it becomes attractive to them. Because moderates are considered pussy, I took about this a little time. Moderates are considered, all you can see is a bland guy in dockers with his god damn, you know, with his dad bod and nobody's interested in moderates, fence sitters, fence sitters. I say even in, even in Superman, you've got Lois Lane. She sees Clark Kent. Nice guy's like, hey, Lois, I want to have dinner.

26:42She's like, yeah, just dinner, Clark. No, all right. I'm sorry. And then Superman who shows up two hours a week, who's an extreme, it's just break shit. And she's like, oh, man. So I'm saying we, our whole culture is built around extremists. Right. Like the hero in the movie walks away after blowing up a hydroelectric day. He's never got a troubleshoots, the hydroelectric dam. That should be the hero in every movie. I mean, it's being Clark Kent and you got to deal with this lady just constantly talking up, Superman. Oh, and talking down to you. And you're like, bitch, you don't know shit. Yes.

27:17And you just got to sit there and take it because you just can't spill the beans. You want to say, hey, fucking dummy. You want to just take the glass off. Are you stupid? Yeah. The same guy, but just wearing glasses. I tricked you with glasses. I catfish you. Clark Kent is not like a fucking linebacker. You didn't notice that I look like a giant super person. Yeah. Oh, I just have glasses on. So now I'm a loser. Well, because you never slept with them. That's why she didn't notice. Right. Because she was like clock layoff. You think Clark would like show off like every now and then like pick something up.

27:48You shouldn't be able to pick up. Yeah, but you didn't know. Clark's an Ensel. Yeah, he is. An angry Ensel. A handsome angry football quarterback looking insult. Yeah, yeah. He's an Ensel. He's just the glasses. Isn't it funny? That was the only disguise he had was glasses. It's the dumbest fucking disguise in all of comic books. At least Batman, like maybe he had a weird face. Like if you had like a cleft pal, you're like, hey, buddy. I fucking, I know who you are. But no, you know, you just see the little little face part. And the rest of the face is covered like, okay, hides his voice. I'm Batman.

28:23Okay. Okay, maybe. Wait a second, man. It's fucking stupid. It is stupid. But the, but speaking of Bruce Lee, the green hornet had a mask. But then Kato was Bruce Lee. We didn't realize by the way. He's a stupid sitcom. I'm watching his little kid. We didn't realize there's a lifetime legend play in the sidekick. Yeah. How many times does that happen in life? And, but even then, but he wore this little show for his outfit. If I remember correctly. Yep. Bruce Lee was like a, he was like this sidekick. Yeah. But he was, but even then you could see a stalker. Like even as the sidekick, the two scenes are like, this guy's a badass.

29:03He was like five years old, six years old. I'm like, look at this. You know, he was supposed to be in that TV show Kung Fu. Really? Yeah, it was supposed to be about him. Well, it wasn't supposed to be David Carid. And why did he say now? They didn't want to have a Chinese guy on TV. That's insane. No, wow. And they picked David Carid. Yeah, but it worked. Crazy thing with David Carid. It didn't work. It worked. Yeah. That show worked. I loved that show. I just love that show. Yeah, it was great show. Because every episode, every episode there was, well, let's face it, that was when you really look at it was kind of a walk show.

29:35A little bit. Every week it was intolerance. And then David Carid, the hour to come and save the day. You know what I mean? Kick some ass. He always had to use violence, don't know. But he wasn't that great of a martial law. It was terrible. It was nonsense. It was totally unbelievable. But the way he was doing it was like, if you didn't know any better, you're like, oh, yeah, he's got magic. But if Bruce Lee had done that, he would have broke, not the internet, but he would have broke TV at White O 'Leary. Oh, yeah. That would have been the best show of all of that. Wheel kick in people and like jumping sidekick in people in the face.

30:04Whoa, it would have changed everything. But the movies changed everything. I mean, he broke through just because he was undeniable. Oh, yeah, we, we were supposed to be him. They opened it. I'll tell you what Karate Studios, Jerome Mackie. These were all the Karate, these were big Karate guys back when I was a kid, like Karate teachers. All he opened thousands of Karate studios in the country, Bruce Lee alone. Absolutely. Yeah, it became a thing. Bruce Lee and then Chuck Norris was how I got into martial arts. Yeah, Chuck Norris fighting John Claude Van Damne watching those movies. How about this name?

30:38Bill Wallace, you ever hear him? Yeah, super foot. Yeah, it was a great kickbox. And it was a guy named Joe Lewis. Yeah, Joe Lewis. Heavyweight champion. Not in boxing, but in kickboxes. That's right. Yeah, white guy. Yeah, there was a bunch of, like, you and Kelly was a great fighting. He was in the Bruce Lee movies, though. Did you ever do karate or just follow it? I, I mean, I did a couple of classes, but I was, you know, it's crazy that you know about all those guys, like Joe Lewis. How about Benny or Keedas, you know, my, my baby, the jet, of course. Yeah. Well, because when I, I always tell this, but when I was a kid, the trains were so dangerous in New York, like, I mean, it was, this is nothing now compared to when I was going up, but what I would do is, this episode is brought to you by Life Lock.

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34:22Do you know when Smith is a comedian? Yes. From Baltimore. I somehow mentioned that story one night to him and he goes, I took you one better. He goes, I bought a karate trophy and I used to walk around the streets holding my karate trophy.

34:42That's hilarious. So while you were studying martial arts seriously, just remember there was a whole bunch of lazy pricks that bought magazines and trophies just so we were like stolen valor. You got to watch a lot of people find a workaround. There's a lot of dudes walked around with kung fu outfits on. Yes. Yes. With the slippers, a whole black kung fu outfit. Absolutely. To this day, they used to do, and to this day I'm so like, I don't know if I'm a fucking that guy. Yeah. I used to go watch them practice in the park and they were faking martial arts. It was made up stuff. They were doing made up things.

35:19What do you mean? The moves are nonsense. It was made up. And you knew they were made up. 100%. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. They were doing stuff that just there's no history of this. It's a crazy thing. You like, I don't study kung fu, but I understand it. I know it. I know what it looks like. I've watched it. Thousands of videos. I've seen classes. I know what kung fu is. Right. You're not doing kung fu. You're f**king. You're doing some sh**. You think looks like kung fu. And you're telling people that you're a master and you're practicing the parking. You got a bunch of other dumb people that have fallen.

35:49And there's a lot of that out there. Yeah. There was a lot. Before the UFC came around, there was a lot of fake martial arts. Guys who pretended they had some touch of death. Yes. And their students were hypnotized. They were like in a cult. Yeah. They were touched. Their students, their students, they followed the ground. They're still out there. There's a video. There's an Instagram page, McDow -Jow Life. McDow -Jow Life just highlights all these fake martial artists. Because McDow -Jow is like those extreme all places that open up Christ. Which some of them are really good. Yeah. Yeah. You know, just a little bit.

36:20Yeah, it depends. There's nothing to teach you. But this idea of like a death touch that people had like some secret powers. It's the dream, yeah. Yeah. I tell you, I took six judo lessons a little. Can I should say before the martial arts crazed, I took, and I really wish I would have stuck with judo. But in those days, like, there was no like padding. So you were kind of clustered the worst headache of all time. Oh, you're getting brain damage. Yeah, you get brain damage. 100, you're getting brain damage in regular judo. 100%. 100%. judo's bad. You get brain damage. It's amazing. It's amazing martial art.

36:53But you get brain damage from Rod Nijetski. You do? Yeah, my friend Mark Gordon, he's specialized in traumatic brain injuries. He's a doctor and he works with a lot of veterans, football players, fighters and stuff. He's like, everything that hits your head is bad. Like soccer. Guys get CTE, chronic traumatic encephalopathy. The things that boxers get and football players get and MMA fighters get. Soccer players get it from hitting it with their head. But how do you get it from Jetski? The bouncing. Just the bouncing. Then how come they tell you he's supposed to go on those gymnastics, whatever that's called?

37:27They said it's health care. Trampoline. Yeah, I don't think he has like a jointing. Because that's kind of like catching you and lifting you up and catching you and lifting you up. That's a different thing than boom, boom, boom. It's the heavy duty shaking, head banging, like Angus from ACDC. Yeah. Got to have brain damage. There's no way he doesn't. There's no way he doesn't. That dude has to be gone. I mean, flip over who the hell goes on a Jetski more than like once a year. Let's think about that. Um, some Jetski people that really love him. Jetski are fun. Yeah, I have a Jetski. I love it.

38:00I try it. It's fun. But if you bounce around on waves, you're getting brain damage. That's how delicate the brain is. The brain is not meant to be jostled around. And guys get concussions for getting hit in the chest. If you get hit in the chest, your head snaps back and you get a concussion. It happens all the time. You don't have to get hit in the head to get a concussion. Well, yeah, you have to do that. That's why it's a good thing I stopped judo because everything in a horrible headache. I was a little kid. Yeah, also these guys crash. Oh my god. Well, that's different. That's ski jumping.

38:33I know, but this is the thing. The article on skiing was bringing up. Oh my god, this is insane. That dude hit hard. How hard they hit. Oh, it must be nuts. They're going third. It's like a. So this is a water skiing tournament. That what that is? That's what that was. Yeah, this is like an article about water skiers getting CTE. Oh, yeah. Have to. No doubt. No doubt they have it. No doubt. I bet dolphins have CTE. I bet they don't. I bet they glide right into that. Everybody who says how smart they are. I'm like, yeah, they seem really intelligent sometimes. You're dismissing the intelligence of dolphins?

39:03Yeah, when anybody bounces a beach ball and they knows and that's there. They're the valedictorian of the animal kingdom. That's it. I think you have to do that if you're trapped in that swimming pool. If you want to get fed, I think you'd put up beach bowling. You know, it's too. That's the problem. The problem is we're so evil. We'll take intelligent things and lock them in a swimming pool. If we can't understand their language, like what? What? I don't know what it's saying. Do you want a fish or not? Here's the ball, motherfucker. That's what it is. Out in the wild though. They're awesome.

39:35They play with you. They come hang out. They go by your boat. They jump and they literally want you to see them. They play with people. You can swim with them. They'll save you from sharks. If sharks come find them, they'll fight the sharks off. They'll save people from sharks all the time. They have a cerebral cortex that's 40 % larger than a human being. What? Yeah, 40%. They have dialects. They have different dialects. Like you talk to them from New York. Yeah. I have a little bit of Boston, a little bit of California. They're like, oh, fuck, die. If you, they can tell from dolphins listening to their vocal patterns where they're from.

40:13Now, wait a minute. But they can't decipher it yet. But they're hoping they can do that through AI. First of all, if you don't have a routine about dolphins accents, you're crazy. I think I've got a lot of fun. I think I've got a lot of fun. I've had a bit about dolphins about taking, it's true story. It's a true story. I got on very high edibles with my daughter when we went fishing. And these dolphins came by the boats. And they were jumping up in the air. And then I had this crazy thought that what if the concept of me? Like we think, when you think of yourself as, you know, we refer to yourself, me.

40:46You're thinking of yourself living in this world with these genes in this city and this street. But the thought of me, like what if me to me is the same as me to a dolphin? And then I thought like what if that's the same with all human beings? Everybody's just experiencing life through different biological circumstances, different life experiences. But what if me is the same in every single human being, just dealing with different problems? No, what does that mean? I don't even understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is that when you think of yourself, when you think Conquind, like when you think like, oh, I'm looking at the world, this is me.

41:23Right. That energy of what me is, this is how high I was. I was on like 200 milligrams of pot edible on a boat in the middle of the ocean and Hawaii. Just amazing experience. But I was thinking the car, like when the dolphins would jump up, they would look at you. They look you in the eye and you see that they're intelligent. Right. And I was thinking like, what if I lived his life? I would be him. And what if I lived my life? He would be me. And then what I think of as me is just me stumbling into a bunch of experiences with very particular genetics, a very particular like life lessons that I'm carrying around.

41:58And I think that's me. But if the energy of me, the very core of it is exactly the same in everybody. We're just experiencing life through different circumstances, but it's the same thing. That's God. Yeah. What about the, you know, I was thinking about, when I was thinking about the home martial arts thing too, was when you think about dolphins fighting sharks or saving people from sharks, that's almost a martial art too. Oh yeah. Well, do you ever see what killer whales do to sharks? No. This is video of this mother killer whale. It doesn't count. Oh yeah, they fuck everybody up. There's this video of this.

42:33By the way, they save people too. And the only time they've ever killed people is in swimming pools. They save people all the time. Killer whales save people that fall in the water, they save them. They eat everything. They kill dolphins, they kill whales, they kill everybody, but they don't kill people. We kill them, but they don't kill us. It's the only time they've ever killed people on record. I mean, there's probably been a few circumstances where people were cut. Yeah. They killed whales. It's coming to some asshole tried to harpoon their sister. Sure. I'm sure that happened, but the point is that killer whales don't actively target people when they'll be really fucking easy to do.

43:07So check this killer whale, fuck this shark up. So she's out there with her, look at this, boom. She's out there with her cubs, and she just puts the fucking clamp down on this great white. Oh, it's pretty wild. But it also makes you realize how big killer sharks are, or killer whales, right? Killer whales, yeah. Look at that, boom. Yeah. I mean, I just saw something the other day of the killer whale around a boat, some little boat. And it was just the tele guys like, oh, God, it's over for me. And then the whale didn't bother him, like you said. Yes, they generally checked him out and left. Don't fuck with you.

43:44And I think you can kind of talk to them. I think if you, I think they understand, if you're like, hey, you're cool. Like, you know, if you're polishing up a big metal spear with a rope on the end of it, then they might get a little angry. They'll probably fuck you up. I bet that if there have been people dying, because is this the guy? Look at that little boat. The bird. Oh, he got bumped. Oh, my God. Oh, it's right under the nose. Whoa. You guys getting this? Yes. Let's get out of here. By the way, but that was a gentle bump. That was nothing. No, this was something else. But how about that?

44:25Is that not the battle cry of today? You guys getting this? Yes. It is. That's supposed to be important to get anywhere. Get the gram. We got to get it on the gram. You guys getting this? Do you even have Instagram? Yeah, you do. Sure. Do you make reels? Do you ever make any positive? Hey, guys, you can really do it. Push through it. Well, I kind of ironically, as you know, I've been doing that for years. I'm kind of a soccer mom on social media just to infuriate people. That's my whole game. But I do, you know, I've been doing this series called Block by Block on YouTube, which is with this guy, a homeless pamphoon on him, Mike Lavin.

45:02But we do. I don't know you're doing this. Yeah, I have a bunch of episodes where I interview it. It's my little, you know, like the thing I care the most about doing, which is I interview people from different neighborhoods that in New York that I know over the years. And then just get them to tell stories of their neighborhoods. Which I was sort of my friend from Hell's Kitchen. Mike's playing this. Is it here? I didn't even know this was out there. Yeah, yeah. And it's my Steve Kelly. One problem with really great comics, and I include you in there. Yeah. You guys are terrible at promoting things.

45:33Yeah. I know. I'm saying. Yeah. But it's also why the stuff you put out is so great because you're only thinking about the stuff. You're not thinking about promoting the stuff, which is a totally different animal. And we wouldn't know where we would only come here. Where else would we go? We don't know. Well, doing it yourself, like doing your own promotion or like letting people, you know, getting, but I just, so I interviewed this one guy, Mike's playing from Hell's Kitchen. And their famous family, where he's telling all the stories of the, but one of the stories which you would like was him and my friend, Robert, who died in his cousin, they were in a bar, it's like 1980s, and mid -down.

46:12So Hell's Kitchen is connected to the theater and all the Madison Square Garden. So in a bar, some guy starts with Mike's playing. He hits him. The guy's friend, Grabs, Brian is neck. It's Andre the Giant. Oh my God. They were in a fight without it. It's like, oh my God. And he picks him up and flings him and it's like a whole famous story of them fighting and they're asking by Andre the Giant. Oh my God. And then the cops come and gravest them outside and a restaurant and a cop walks in, finds out what happens. He's Andre and just walks out and laughs and goes, let him go. Don't worry about it.

46:43So like, just finding different stories of different neighborhoods. That's my little thing for you know. That's what I like to do for Instagram when people weren't snitches. That exactly right. So that's all, I'm just talking to these people and finding out all the great stories from that. That happened today. Andre would be all over the news. People be angry at him. Oh my God. Everybody having an opinion on all of it? Oh yeah. When this guy was telling the story, I go, so people must have been buying you drinks for months. He goes, at Hell's Kitchen that time, two weeks and then there was some new story happening.

47:12Because that wasn't even the story of the month. What a great name for a neighborhood. Hell's Kitchen. What a great name. I mean, you kind of have to act crazy. If you're there. Yeah, they, they, they, if you're gonna move to Hell's Kitchen, that's a very specific mindset. It was now of course, it's different, but it was the most, just imagine a neighborhood in the middle of Times Square, when Times Square was taxi driver. So that did it with all of that. The theaters, so they're all the stage hands were there. All the teamsters were there. There was a combination of everything, all the music studio, Lincoln Center on one side, all these, and the, in the middle is all these crazy Irish guys, important weekends.

47:52Yeah. Just so, and so much music and so much stuff came out of that area. It's crazy. Really is when you're really talking about it. It's a really wild, wild, the center of the university is called. And for how long? Like 20 years? Like 50, 60. 50, 50? Really? It was that hot for that many years. Well, hot in what, what, I mean, it was kind of like the interesting aspect of the world. The interesting aspect I bet was 40, 40, 50 years. I would say from 1950 to 2000. 2000. What killed it? Juliani? No, it just became, well, it became Times Square. You told Times Square? Times Square became Gentry.

48:30Juliani, yeah, gentrified it. And, and people started to corporatize the building. Feel safe. Yeah. It's like it became Applebee's. But it did. It's disappointing, but at the same time, it was Sodom and Gomorrah. It was very bad. It was very bad when I first went there. When I was living in Boston, I came to New York for a karate tournament, ironically, in like 82, 83, I think. So I was in high school, so probably 83. And I was like, this is nuts. Like this place is fucking nuts. It was nuts. It was nuts. It's like all peep shows and pimps and hookers. Yes. And just it looked black and white. Like, like this, it was like in colors.

49:09Yes. Like everything looked black and white. It looked dirty and seedy. And there was just junkies on the street. Yeah. And people with like long coats and people yelling at people. Yeah. Yo, this place is nuts. Times Square was a place that everybody avoided. That's right. Somehow or another Times Square became a tourist trap. Well, because of Juliani, you had any clean of the peep show. There was a law, I guess, where you couldn't have, you had to have like 30 % legitimate in your peep show. And there was some law that happened where they got rid of the peep show. 30 % legitimate? What does that mean?

49:4230 % like a regular store. Like you couldn't just have one come on. So much going on. I don't know what it was. So Joey Dorosis there, but that's big thing they did do. They had to have a legitimate thing and then to point in the back. Oh, God. And that was in the mid -90s and then they got cleaned. Well, they used to have the triple X movie theaters. That's right. You know, you want to talk about the lowest class of human being that you could possibly encounter in public. Guys going to jerk off in a room with other guys jerking off watching a movie. Yeah. Of course. Just the most degenerate humans available.

50:18And it's in Times Square too. Well, it was all over the. No, no, the whole country had those. Oh, yeah. Every city had Times Square just had 50 of them. Well, the craziest. Everybody else had one is the crazy stories deep throat. Yeah, deep throat. They were trying to turn it into so the country was so naive back then. Yep. And porn. You didn't have VCRs. So you didn't you did the idea of a porn addiction seem ridiculous to people. So what they did with deep throat is they made a cinematic movie that was a porn film. And all these stars went to go see it like Johnny Carson was there in line. They're interviewing them.

50:54Yes. Where they're going to see a porn film. Yeah. Yeah. And only like 1970 something. And 72 or something like that. And couples would go all over the country and go to these sleazy theaters and watch deep throat. Wild. Is that weren't even sleazy theaters. These were regular theaters that showed deep throat. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Crazy. And people are so it's that's like that's so interesting. Like you think about how much porn like right now porn is what percentage of the internet Jamie is it 30 something percent? Yeah. It's like 30 something percent of all internet traffic all of it all of the world is porn.

51:31That's crazy. It didn't even exist before deep throat. No. But yet stag films that you would hear about. Yeah. My brother and I was getting married. Yes. What does the stag party and they showed a movie? Like grainy movie. There's like sad heroin addict fucking these guys. Yeah. Yeah. That was gross. Yeah. I never thought that would be on your phone. I'm off here. I know exactly. But but it's so funny because I remember deep throat was the big breakthrough. First it was the devil and Miss Jones. I was like 11 to 12. And I remember we left. We didn't know what we were laughing at. And then next year you know we're like 19 18 19 we're going up Times Square at point.

52:12And you know we're right there. You just take the train you right there. And but it was so psychotic that and I actually knew I knew a girl that ended up going into like working in those Times Square booths and I'm sure a lot of people did but it was really crazy to me that she was doing that. You know that is crazy. That's a commitment. Yeah. I mean there's still booths and guys that lifestyle. A judge in New York made it a $3 million fine for showing deep throat. Wow. It still exists. It's never been overturned apparently. Wow. Whenever this article was written. All this is a 93 but wow. Movies and television have completely changed our outlook on the human form.

52:56So he was 71 at the time when he was talking about this. And so this is in the eve of his retirement in 91. So he's probably in his 50s when that happens. So he had grown his whole life, been a grown adult and never had any interaction with porn. And then he sees people going to see it in a theater. He's probably like what the fuck is going on? Yeah. This is crazy. Like you guys are watching people suck dicks with your friends. Yeah. Like this is weird. Yeah. Yeah. It was totally legitimate for a couple of years. I don't know when it turned but I remember when I went to college they showed deep throat of one of these Debbie Dubs Dallas, one of these porn movies in like the student union.

53:36What? And guys and girls who all went to see it. No way. Yeah. It was totally, you know what I mean? And it was crazy. And it were a couple of girls that like this is anti -women and we're like, oh relax. What are you making a big deal? Like we act like, oh we're crazy. Isn't that crazy? It's crazy. And people just go, they like, they showed it like a whole week. I'll tell you another one. What? A week? Yeah. Like every day because so many people want to go see. I'll tell you another one. One of the guest speakers. Talk about college gigs. Harry Reams was one of the guest speakers. The porn star.

54:11The famous like 1980s porn star. 70s. Yeah. 70s? Yeah. The big mustache, 70s mustache. Do you want to be like a giant real estate guy? Maybe, but. That's real estate. I'd like to talk to him someday because this girl I knew, I stole my money but I'll leave it out. And she drove him. She goes, yeah, I drove him back to the train station. And I was like, you don't need to drive him to the train station. You can walk there. She drove and I want to know what happened. I want the full story. She's not going to give it to you. She lied to me. She goes, nothing happened. She got turned on. She got turned on.

54:44You can see that guy's dick. She got turned on. And his heart would like to speak out. Also, it didn't, it wasn't like forbidden back then. This is so hard for people to imagine because like today, if you're watching porn on your phone and someone catches you, you have to, like a deep shame. Yes. Oh, you call me watching porn. Right. Porn is a thing that people are ashamed that they consume. But back then, that was not the case. It was innocent. In the weirdest sense, what people just didn't get it. They didn't get it. No. Like when I was a kid, VCRs were invented. And one of the first things when they invented VCRs, they start making dirty movies and putting them on VCRs.

55:21That's right. And the porn industry just explodes. That's right. It's all from people watching at home. And you'd have to go through these fucking saloon doors. Remember? Or you'd push the beads aside. Yeah. It's always something you had to do. Yes. You couldn't just go to the porn section. You had to let everybody know, hey, you fucking pervert. Make some noise. Rattle those beads. That's right. And then you walk in there and no one was looking at anybody. Everybody's like, that's right. Everyone's embarrassed that they're in there with other people. Maybe your neighbors. That's right. See, bobs over there.

55:49Look at it. The fucking hardcore section. Right. That's what it was. People were like, I'll be in the porn. But that section is for perverts. Yeah. That was the thing. Yeah. And it became a thing where people weren't embarrassed by it. It was weird. And then slowly over time, it became embarrassing. I think when it became an addiction thing, I think clearly when the internet came around and people had instantaneous access to it. Well, it's funny because as much as sex became more like, like I remember in comedy, we all had bits on Jarkin' Off to porn when I, in the 80s. Right. We all had bits in.

56:30Yeah, it was just hard to imagine. Everyone was like, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. Nobody gave a damn. I mean, is that weird? We all just talking about, hey, Jarkin' Off, you obviously pulled because it was new. Like you said. And then suddenly people stopped talking about that because it was shameful. I don't know what the, I guess it was, when it was, it's the addiction. Yeah, I guess you're, when you're ashamed of something, you shouldn't be doing that something, almost always. Right. Which you have to lie about the thing you're, right. You know, like I had a friend and he was always trying to lose weight.

56:57And one time we said, hey, me to set this bar, it's Ralphie May. I said, yeah. Cause he's done with us anymore. I love Ralphie. Great guy. He was awesome. And Ralphie was like, it was like an hour and a half like, you know, like, where the fuck is Ralphie? Like, when's he coming here? And then finally he pulls up and the back of his car was just filled with fast food stuff. And he had like some story about why I could make it. He went to a drive -through. He had to. He went through a drive -through and he bought bags of food and he just stuffed himself. And he probably felt shitty about it and didn't want to talk about it.

57:33Sure. That's addiction. That's addiction. Absolutely. So if you're watching porn on your phone all the time, you're like, do you watch porn your phone? No. Oh, it's that. It's because you're addicted. You're ashamed. Sure. You're ashamed. But like you said, 30 % is crazy. Crazy. Is that what the number is? Do we find out what the amount of traffic? About 30%. I'm looking to like the golden age of porn ended in 84, it says, which is gold. The golden age. That's what this is. And I'll tell you why age. Well, this VCR is also so it's stopping. You didn't have to go to the movie theater to see it.

58:02You could watch that at home. Well, that was a great, that was it. That old 84s in the VCR came out. Wow. Around then. That's like the same thing. So that makes sense, because that was in high school. But you make sense. There was a great scene in Boogie Knights when Bert Reynolds is so disgusted that he has to do like amateur point, remember? Like he's just be a filmmaker. Oh, right. And then suddenly they're in the limo and he's going, okay, do that. And then they remember he was like so horrified by it all. I forgot. I forgot that movie. That was a great movie. Great movie. And they said Bert Reynolds, you know, the director of all these people said Bert Reynolds was so horrible.

58:40He was so brilliant in it. He didn't want to be in it from day one. He hated everything about it. Really? And to his dying day, he hated it. He wanted one. He wanted to fight his agent. He hated it and he was so brilliant in it. Well, Bert Reynolds, I'm a huge Bert Reynolds fan. No, the greatest. I love that guy. He was so fun. He made me believe that like a handsome man could be funny. Yeah. I never thought handsome people were funny. Like the handsome guy was never cool. The handsome guy was like cool but silent. Like he wins a street fight. So, Bert Reynolds is like always smiling. It's like, I want to hang out with that guy.

59:13He was a party. He'd go on the tonight show with a big laugh. Maybe at that giant laugh. He was the first guy that I ever really saw that was like a really handsome man that was hilarious. And he was best friend to Doc Delewies. Yes. And they'd be incredible. Well, how about when he did Jackie Leason? Jackie Leason in him with smoking the bandin. What a combination. Jackie Leason and Bert Reynolds. Wait, the Jackie Leason in that movie, and I'll tell you who else because I remember when I saw a Caddyshack for the first time. And I was like a young kid and I'm like, oh, Caddyshack, my heroes are in it.

59:48Bill Murray, Chevy Chase, all these cool guys, even Rodney, and I go, and then they got this guy from a sitcom Ted Knight. And then he steals the movie. And it's the same thing I have with Jackie Leason who's talking to bandin. These guys stole, they were so good. It's unbelievable. Jackie Leason was the fucking man. Yeah. Jackie Leason was the man. It was unbelievable. He did serious acting too. He was in the hustler. Oh, yeah, he was amazing. He was great in the hustler. Did you ever hear they said some reviewer, some famous, back when reviewers were famous, goes, I just was Lawrence Olivier and him did a movie together.

1:00:18He goes, I just watched a movie with the greatest living actor and Lawrence Olivier. He's Jackie Leason so good. He was awesome. Best pool player to ever be a movie star by far. Yeah. He was like a real good pool player, like a professional level pool player. Yeah, yeah. You could see even the way he played. Yeah, in the hustler. He was making his own shots. When Paul Newwood made his shots, he'd be like, oh, this is not real. This is nonsense. But when Jackie Leason did, there's a fluidity to the way he moves around. But now why would you remake the hustler? Look, we all love Montenegro. No one's gonna make it.

1:00:53That was the color of money. Color of money was a separate book. Well, it was a sequel, but it was the same author. It left a bad taste in my mouth. Really? Yeah. I was a great movie too. It's a great movie too. Very accurate too. He did the flipping the pool cue. That's a little nonsense. People don't do that. But especially not with the ball of Bushka. But what he was doing in the movie, like portraying how people hustle and move around, that was all real. And it's by the same guy who also wrote the Queen's Gambit. Did you ever see that show on that first? It's a great show. Amazing show. Amazing show.

1:01:25How about that girl who's a wizard chess player? Yeah. Well, that's the same guy. Walter Tevis, right? Is that his name? Yeah, you wrote the hustler? How compelling is her face and her energy? Oh, yeah. You buy it all in whatever you just buy it. Yeah, you buy all of it. Yeah, you're really there with her. She was awesome. She's really good. Yeah. What does her name, Anna Joy? What is her name? I'll never know. But the hall is a... Anna Joy. I like the fact that at least he bought it. That's one thing about Tom Cruise. He doesn't play games. He's in the car money. He learns to do like non -chucks.

1:02:02By the way, non -chucks were big when I was a kid. Non -chucks just came out. Oh, yeah. When I was a kid and people would have no chucks, everybody would walk around with a black eye. Because nobody would know how to use them. You just saw it in the movie. There was no YouTube tutorials. And even the teachers, the martial arts teachers didn't know what they were. So they just walked around. Everybody had a black eye for like a long time. Yeah, I banged myself in the back of the head multiple times. Yeah, you did. Back in my head. Croc. Now, when you did this karate tournament in the 80s in New York, is it...

1:02:30Are you guys striking each other? Yeah. Wow. And it's full contact like they call it contact. Yeah. Well, the karate tournament that I went to in New York was what was called a point tournament. And point tournaments were different than type window tournaments in that there wasn't continuous action. You'd hit the person and then they would stop and call a point. So it's almost like this really high level game of tag. Right. Which wasn't really the thing that I did. I did type window tournaments primarily, which will like continuous action. And you would win by knockout a lot of times. And so you basically just trying to kick this other dude in the face or in the chest as hard as possible and stop his body from working right.

1:03:05That was my objective. You was like the Kumite. Yeah, it was like that a little bit. But in type window tournaments, you couldn't punch to the face. You could only kick to the face and kick to the body. And then I transitioned from that into kickboxing. But it was like when I went to New York City, we were trying to do anything. We would try anything. We would there wasn't that many tournaments. So if there was no type window tournaments, we would enter into karate tournaments. We were going, I thought like probably, I probably fought a hundred times. Wow. Yeah. And was there a time? I've counted all the tournaments because oftentimes you'd fight three or four times in a day.

1:03:43No kidding. Yeah. And my last kickboxing fight was the third fight of the day. I had three fights in one day. I won the first two fights and I lost the last one. Wow. In a day. That's crazy. Imagine it. It's good to be a kid, huh? It was good to be stupid. If I had a kid today, I'd say, hey, you're not fighting again. You just get hit in the head. And you come on, come on. And Bruce is all the time. No. Yeah, well, I always came home from training and Bruce's. Yeah. And from fighting, yeah, you get fucked up. It's great. I always hit black eyes. I broke my nose. I don't know. I probably 20 times.

1:04:17I had to get it fixed. I had to get the inside of it all cleaned up and it all calcified like a wrestler's ear. You know, wrestlers get calc, calc, calc, calc, calc, calc, calc, calc, calc, calc, calc, you get smashed in the nose enough. What happens is the inside of your nose, all that tissue swells up and bleeds and then it gets broken and your septum gets twisted and blocks off. And then you get like calcium deposits inside your nose. Just like you get in your ears. Like a cave. Like a little like rock. Yeah. Well, it was horrible. I couldn't breathe at all. I had to very nasal voice for a long time until I got it fixed.

1:04:50And it was like 40 when I got it fixed. Wow. Because I got breaking it. Because I was like, I'm just going to keep breaking it. It's like, what am I going to do? Like I broke it like three times when I was on news radio. You did? Yeah. So I was breaking it. Bosparring or just rolling, you accidentally get a knee to your face and then you nose bleeding. And you're like, well, I broke it again. And we were going to like Benny, the jet and those guys in the valley. I actually started at the jet center when I first moved to Hollywood. That was the first place I went to. That's great. It was like, there's two places I wanted to go to.

1:05:18I went to Hollywood. I wanted to go to the comedy store and I wanted to go to the jet center and then I was like, I found out about it. I was like, it's the jet center. Yeah. And when I was there, Blinky Rodriguez, who is Benny's brother -in -law, amazing fighter too. Like a great, great kickboxer. He had lost, I believe, a family member to gang violence. I don't want to say exactly who it was because I'm not sure if I remember it, but I want to say a son to gang violence. And then if it's not that I apologize. And then so he offered free classes to gang members. So he wanted to teach these gang members, like discipline, give them a sense of like community and then give them structure, give them something.

1:06:03And they can, so I was taking kickboxing classes with gang bangers. Right. And I moved from New York and I came to LA. I didn't have any friends. And here I am in my Volkswagen Corrado pulling up to the jet center and van Ayes. And I'm taking kickboxing classes with gang bangers. Like this guy had this fucking tattoo on his back, this homemade tattoo of the name of his gang. It was like, plot those. And then underneath it, it said, fuck the rest. I was like, oh boy. This is 1994. This dude's back has his gang and then fuck the rest. I was like, yo, what am I doing? So I had to spar with these guys.

1:06:42So I was sparring with these gang bangers. And you could, like they didn't know what they were doing, like a lot of them. Right. But you couldn't, I wouldn't hurt them. I'm like, I'm not going to hurt this guy. You know, I'm just going to like touch him a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just going to like just get my right, put a foot in his face. I'm not going to hurt him. No. I do not want to get shot in the parking lot. No. I do not want to get stabbed. You cannot humiliate one of these guys. No. So you just move around, be defensive with eight swing punches. Just work on blocks, work on moving, footwork, touch him a little bit.

1:07:15But there's no like going after him. That's great. It was scary. It was fucking scary. These guys were murders. It had been one. It was a rough area. It was super rough. But a lot of great kickboxers were there too. It was also like Pete Sugarfoot Conningham was there. And you know, Blinky was there teaching classes, which is to me, it was like as a kid who grew up watching him on TV to be in their gym. I was like, holy shit, this is crazy. But then unfortunately, the earthquake fucked up the roof. And when it rained, when the rainy season came, the whole building got destroyed. The roof was all fucked up there.

1:07:52Oh, you were there for the earthquake. I was there right after the earthquake. And then the rain came after that. And their building was fucked. So eventually, you opened up a place in North Hollywood. And I went there for a while, but it was just Benny. It was a smaller place. I went to, I was at NLA during the earthquake, during the 94 earthquake. And I was staying in this like temporary housing place on, on, it was a course from Northridge, but it was in, like in Westwood district. And I wake up and I go, oh my God, I'm dreaming that my bed is flying across this entire room. Oh my God. My bed flew across the room.

1:08:30And it was, it was scary, man. Oh my God. I mean, my bed was, well, my bed buildings were collapsed all around me. People in the street, 5 a .m. She, in their underwear, the whole city. Oh my God. The whole neighborhood, I mean. I was only in a small earthquake. I was in a 5 .5. And I was in my apartment in North Hollywood. And it was like I was in a washing machine box or a refrigerator box, where it just had no stability. Like the whole, I was like, what? I thought an earthquake could be like, everything shaking. Yeah. Everything moved. Everything moved. It just moved side to side. And I remember thinking, oh shit.

1:09:05It's like having vertigo, but it was, it was, I was just thinking, this is a baby one. This is like a, a five. Yeah. So a seven is how many times greater than this? Holy shit. Yeah. It fucked up Northridge and Van Nies got fucked. That was more than any place. Another reason why I was glad I got out of the LA in time. I'm like, it's coming. Well, if you guys think you got it bad now, all the shit in the streets and all the tents and wait till earthquake hits that mess. Well, about two weeks ago, I was in New York and I go, oh, what the hell was that? Oh yeah. And it was an earthquake. Yeah, earthquake in New York.

1:09:42I thought they do, yeah. It was crazy. That's so unusual. Yeah, I never heard about it. So this earthquake in Van Nies, I guess it fucked up the roof of that building and it condemned a lot of buildings. It destroyed a lot. It destroyed that whole area. Northridge is right next to Van Nies. Yeah, they just, it just the place flooded. There's a photo of you, Jamie. There's a photo of me, like a black and white photo of me, along from a long time ago, throwing punches. And it was taken at the Jet Center. You originally had center? Yeah. It was like 1994. There's like this photo of me. I would ripped.

1:10:20I was young and healthy back then. Great, right? Yeah, back in the old days. I had most of my hair. Yeah. It's crazy, right? Yeah. That's it. Whoa. That's me at the Jet Center in 1994. You like Sean Connery? I don't know what's going on with my lips, but that was in the middle of throwing punches. And you used to go there all the time, huh? Yeah. Yeah, and they had a photographer there one day. And did you, when did you pass at the comedy store? 94. You did, you passed right away? No, like six months. Mitty? Yeah, Mitty gave me six months. She didn't like that I was already on a TV show. Oh, you were already on the show?

1:10:58Yeah, I was already on News Radio. She didn't like that. Oh, that's why you went out to LA. Yeah, I went out to the LA just for News Radio. I never, I had no interest in acting. Right, right. It was purely being a prostitute. I was just willing to go on. But one of my great two first thing to be on. Yeah, all I cared about was stand up. I just wanted to stand up. And then I was like, okay, maybe this is my career now. Okay, maybe I'm acting now. And then I'm also doing this stuff. And I was like, this is weird. I had no acting classes before I was on TV. No, nothing. I took, when I got a development deal with Disney, they made me get an acting coach.

1:11:34Yeah. So I did a couple of one -on -ones with this lady and I didn't like it. It was, there was a lot of weird ego stuff going on. And she also wanted to be my mom in the show. It was like, there was a lot of weird stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course. But it's just like that world was not, I was not interesting in that world. And it was like, this is not, I just, okay, I'm just going to do my best. I'm just going to do it the way I would do it. It was just pretend. Pretend this is actually happening. Pretend I'm this dumb guy. Pretend this is actually happening. But I didn't know what I was doing.

1:12:06Like, I didn't know where Upstage was. I was on television. Like, Joe, could you move like six inches upstage? Like, which way is that? Like, which way is Upstage? Like, it's flat. I didn't know that old stages used to be slanted. And Upstage meant you move backwards. Which is kind of crazy. Yeah. Instead of saying, would you step back, move Upstage? Like, everybody's using these old timing terms for a slanted stage. Right. So the whole audience who's seated there could see everything because they didn't in front of a live crowd. But that must have been fun doing in front of a live crowd. It was fun.

1:12:38It was fun when you got good lines. But you didn't really get to control like the first show that I did was terrible. It was called Hardball. That's what it came out to LA4. I think I remember this. It was a baseball show. So that got canceled. And then I got lucky that I had a development deal with NBC right after that. And I was going to do my own show. But they said, hey, we got a part on this show that we're already going to do. And we're going to recast it. And so it was originally Ray Romano. I know. Yeah. So Ray got fired. Yes. And then they replaced it with a guy. And that guy got fired.

1:13:10And they replaced it with a guy. Which made me feel better. Because at least I didn't take the job from Ray. I took a job from some guy. Even if you did, Ray obviously stunk. And he just said, God would he just have her. Well, it was the best thing that happened to him because then he went double up his ass. Oh, it was, it was. You know, but I loved Ray. And so it was weird. It was weird, but it was okay because the other guy got the job. Yeah, yeah. And then it's, and then I'll send them on this fucking show with Phil Hartman and Andy Dick and Dave Foley. And like, this is crazy. Like I've been acting for all of like four months ever, you know, I did one terrible TV show.

1:13:46Yeah. You know, two acting classes. Hey, you are. And how long are you doing stand up at that time? Six years. So it was good. Yeah. In the game. I was in the game, but I wasn't that good yet. No one like to set you working with the whole lot. And Phil Hartman's one of the legends of all time. He was a sweetheart too. What a great guy. He was a great guy. I go for a genuinely interesting weird guy. Like I don't know anybody like him. I mean, he did the, uh, for my job, he did the crossbeast those days, album art. We have one of his albums. We have one of his albums out here. Is it crazy? They were the greatest?

1:14:20Yeah. He's a brilliant artist. He was also a pilot when I bought my house in, in the valley. He took me to these areas when it's plain. Took me over to show me like areas where you could move to. Wow. Because he was living in Encino. And I think I was still in Encino at the time too. And I was like, I had had a stalker. And so I really, I'm like, I got to get a little further out. You know, this is like, this is too, this, people knowing where you live, things is too weird. I got to go to a place that's more secure. And so then when I moved out to the valley, Phil took me out there on his plane to show me areas.

1:14:52And when you're flying over these places, you see all these trees and the hills and the mountains. I was like, oh, this is beautiful. I'm going to be here and just drive in. That's way better. It's great. Yeah. And you guys went in Bear Bank? We did it in a bunch of different places. We did it at CVS Radford for a while. That's the best location. Sunset Gower. We did it for the most. I love it there. Yeah, Radford's great. Great lot. Jerry Stelly. And everything's right now by the way. Yeah. Just how he's gone. It is. I think it is. All of them are gone. I think it is. I know the one in the valley in Woodland Hills is gone.

1:15:24That was a bomber, man. That was fun. Oh, that place was so good. In the 90s, I was just talking about LA in the 90s how you could drive around to Jeff. And there was traffic was nothing. Now you can't move. Yeah. It's overpopulation cities makes it way more tense. Yeah. Like people who are way more tense now than they were in the 90s. It was like a way more relaxed city. That's hard to believe. Because everybody in their head is like LA is like beep beep. Fuck you. Everybody's doing coke and on their way to a business meeting. Right. Back then it was like you could get to work in a half an hour.

1:16:00Yeah. It wasn't that big deal. Now it's the fucking if you where I used to live in the valley if I wanted to go to the comedy store. Yeah. Comedy store is 22 miles from my house. Right. It would take me 22 -ish. I'm guessing. But it would take me... Pshhh. Hour 10 minutes. Hour and 10 minutes. At, you know, at seven o 'clock. Well, now if I try to leave it five it's two hours. I need two hours. If I have a meeting in Hollywood at five I have to leave my house by three or I'm fucked. Oh, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's two hours to go 22 miles. And that's normal. And that ain't even Long Island. How about people making it into the city in the daytime?

1:16:39Yeah. You ever get stuck in that mess? Sure. You can come from the island and try going across the fucking bridge. Oh, Jesus Christ. It's crazy. You just want to jump off the bridge. Yeah. And guys do it every day. Just so they can have a lawn. Every day. Every day. Just so they can have a lawn. Yeah. Just exhausted. Well, it's also taxes a little more. Taxes. But also, you want a back yard. I want a back yard. And when Saturday comes along, I want to sit with a cup of coffee. Right. You're fucking poor to see a deer mate. That's right. You know, let me fucking relax. A little bit. Do I really have to be a part of that fucking concrete horse shit?

1:17:12Yeah. Because there's something about living in the concrete horse shit that some people love. I love it. They love it. I love it. Yeah. You love the energy, right? Just the whole people around you. I'm just happening. I like to, yeah. I'm just so used to it. It's my whole, yeah. Yeah, I mean, but I like L .A. When I lived in L .A. I loved L .A. But I lived all over L .A. But, you know, and I like driving. But that's the thing in L .A. You just have to be in love with your car. If you love your car, you love L .A. You don't love your car. You don't love your little car. That's a good point. That's a good point.

1:17:43And in L .A. The problem with, if you're fucking around with like a Tesla with 30 % power. Yeah. You got 30 % battery left. It's 3 p .m. Like, oh buddy. You might be fucked. You might be like really fucked. Like you might be, your car might die on this road. You're fucked. Yeah, you're fucked. You got to drive two hours. You got to drive San Diego. What? Yeah. You can't try to San Diego. You know what I mean? It's going to be five hours. They say all the people that commute to L .A. Now, like they call, they don't just call pool. They are poppin' pool. So they don't go home. They go to work Monday.

1:18:22They stay till Friday. Then they go home. That is so insane. That's so insane. They have to rent an apartment together. I have to stop saying nice things about Austin. Stop saying nice things about it? Yeah, there's too many construction cranes. It's too long for everybody to know. It's just me and I. It's just me and I. But there's so many companies moved here. Yeah. There's just so much shit going on here. So I don't want this to become like that. Yeah. I think there's something about Texas though that rebels. That will always rebel. And they realize how bad people fucked up in California. And hopefully the people that moved here realize how bad they fucked it up.

1:18:56So they've always been, yeah. They've always had one foot out of the country Texas. Let's face it. They came in. They came in real late. Reluctantly. Yeah. And they've been here reluctantly. They got one foot out. They're like, we don't need, we'll leave. Well, when you know about the history of this country, this land, this area. I mean, this is a brutal, brutal place. Yeah. Like, did you ever read the Empire of the Summer Moon? No. Oh my God, I get it to you. You got to read it. It's incredible. It's a history of this place. It's the Comanche Indians and the history of the Texas rain. It's really, yeah.

1:19:31I like that. The, the, the great, the madness. Yeah. I mean, I clearly what, what the colonizers did, what the people moved here, what they did was horrible. No one has ever denied that. But if you don't know what the Comanches were doing, the other Indians, if you don't know, Oh my God. These raiding parties will do. Of course. Of course. But they did some of the wildest shit. They would start a bonfire. And right before they threw the guy on the bonfire, they would hold him out by his arms and legs, hack off his arms and his legs while he's still alive and throw him on the fire to watch him squirm like a worm.

1:20:12Unbelievable. They would feed people their friends. They would cut people to pieces in front of you. They took, no one surrendered ever. You always fought to the death. Because if you were captured, you are 100 % going to get tortured and killed. Tortured and killed. But now just because that's what they have. For fun. There was no prisoners of war. There was no honor. There was nothing that's European bullshit. Yeah. They were doing it old school. Old school. Wow. And that was the entire country, except for the agriculture. There's a lot of people that accepted agriculture in the southeast. And they were like calmer and not not war bearing.

1:20:50And they weren't even riding horses a lot. The Comanches were the horse bearing horse. They were the best with horses. And they were the most fierce. And they only ate meat so they could go for days without food, unlike some of the settlers. Some of the people that were trying to make it across and some of the people that they fought. What about you? Have you been reading this book, speaking of cruelty? Jerusalem. It's about the history of Jerusalem. So the early Sieges and the same torture techniques. But you know, we gave it to you this guy. You know Kevin Fitzgerald? Yes. Comedian, but he's a bodyguard for the Roman Stones.

1:21:23Yeah. I just worked with him last week. And he was just, you know, he was telling me the stone stories. He was bodyguard for 20 years for the stones. He tells the greatest. Because he's very intelligent guy. But he was a boxer, then became a bodyguard for the stones. And then moved on and started doing sand up. And he's also got like doctorates in veterinary medicine. But he started telling me, do you ever hear this one about Mick Jagger about the people in wheelchairs? He's no use. He was like, oh, keep this a cool guy. Mick was a Mick Jagger every day, every show for 20 years would take this guy, Kevin, put on a hoodie so nobody could recognize him.

1:22:05Go up. Because in those days they put the wheelchairs in it. If you want a wheelchair, they wouldn't let you be with your friends. They'd put you in a separate wheelchairs section in the balcony. Everybody in the wheelchair had to go. Mick Jagger would go up with eight tracks, T -shirts, hand them out, never told the press, never made sure nobody knew about it, except this bodyguard, and talk to all the people in wheelchairs and give them T -shirts and give them eight tracks for 20 years. Wow. Isn't that cool? That's wild. But this guy tells a million stories. You know, he's been bodyguard for 20 years.

1:22:34Wow. He's got great stories. That's cool. How do we get to him? We were just talking about. Jerusalem and these commandries. So this book on Jerusalem, like what I've thought about, what is the name of it? Jerusalem, a history or something. I've thought about reading about it and I get anxiety. I'm like, the book, just not that particular book, but about Israel and Palestine. But this book goes back to the begotten. Yeah. This book is really, I mean, I just saw, I've only read like the first couple of, it's amazing. This book. That's the one. It's crazy. And every place. It's wild. And it starts out, you're like, oh my God, it started on the most bloody.

1:23:19But somehow everybody knew it was significant. Even then, like it was never this place that people weren't like, they were always like, no, this is the place. What do you think about that? Do you think, does that make any sense? What, is there, is there a place that's more holy than other places? You mean like Sedona? Yeah. Like Sedona is a good one. That's the good one for hippies. Right. For hippies, believes Sedona is like a sacred place. Yeah. Well, I always feel like they're saying, well, even when I was just at the gig, I was at the gig with Kevin Fitzgerald, who was in, uh, the, where the shining is in Colorado, where they shot the shining in that hotel.

1:23:57Yeah. And so they go, it's haunted. And I'm talking to the kid that works at it and he goes, listen, he goes, I didn't believe any of this shit. He goes, I've worked here for two years. It's real. He goes, Lucy, they knew the names of the coast. Lucy, she's a redhead. He goes, I opened the mirror when I'm here alone at one in the morning because it's kind of a really out of the way place, you know? Yeah. He goes, this, he starts describing all these things that happened. You're like, oh, God. So I do believe this place is sure. Yeah. I think there's, there's something to some of it. There has to be.

1:24:27Yeah. What is it? What is it being? What is it being? What is it being? What is it being? What is it being? What is it being? What is it being? Like, how about you? You're going to love this book. I'm sure. This is exactly the point. How about Mecca? How about how many Muslims travel to Mecca? Yeah. And you're, you're, you're absolved of your sins. Yeah. You go to Mecca, you make the pilgrimage and they all go around and they're, they're essentially walking around a meteor. Yeah. It's a meteorite, right? Is it? Yeah. I think that's a center. Isn't that what it, it's the center of that box in Mecca?

1:25:04I think that's what it is. Look at that. I mean, when you, also, like how beautiful is that? If you go there, you probably really believe, even, I mean, it probably, even if it wasn't true, would have that effect on you. Yeah. Just like a logic. Yeah. Going through this incredible location. With all these people, the edge people, and everybody's peaceful. And nobody's talking about Medina. Nobody's talking about anything. Mecca and Medina, and they always talk about Mecca. It's like Springsteen and John Cougar, Medina. That's the other one. Yeah, the other one. So, is it, say, there's a stone there?

1:25:38There's a stone going. But isn't there, Google Meteor, or Meteorite? It's where the, yeah, yeah. It's where, well, Mahalat first saw the thing, right? I think there's, there's something to the, okay, there it is. Oh, there it is, yes. Yeah. The embedded black stone was a further symbol of this as a meteorite that had fallen from the sky and linked heaven and earth. Yeah. It's crazy that they got one spot. Like they'll fight over that spot. You can't have that spot. They do? Oh, yeah. Imagine if like the United States wanted to put a military base on that spot. Like no, we, you gotta take away your religious spot.

1:26:24It's not real. Now that would take away your spot. That would be a real deal breaker. That could be a deal breaker. Where's Medina? Oh, there's Medina right next to it. They just spelled it different. I keep thinking about Tyler Perry's character. I'm a D. That's a mecha, that's Medina. And Medina was cool too. Wow, yeah. They always say mecha and Medina. Oh, really? I only heard mecha. I know because people pray to mecha. They don't pray to Medina, but I think you have to go to both. So it's like, it's a major Islamic. They're really downgrading Medina. I don't like this. Yeah. The tombs are there.

1:26:55The tomb of Prophet Muhammad and other leaders. Prophet Muhammad. Hmm. Is it like Simon and Garf Uncle? That's the thing. Like one of them, they just move for every, where's Garf Uncle? He was like, hey Garf Uncle is great. What happened? He was great. Oh, what happened? Yeah. So these things, Garf Uncle. Those things happen. Although I'm sure they wouldn't, of all the people who be compared to them. Don't think Simon and Garf Uncle, or what they wouldn't be compared to if you don't, I mean. I know what you mean. I do know what you mean. I mean, they're like, can you name somebody else please?

1:27:30But I wonder what is so specific about that area. You know? Yeah. No, I think Muhammad is from there or something. Mm -hmm. Yeah. And also the areas in Israel, these areas that are, you know, the wall. Well, that's Jerusalem, because you're really getting into it. And I'm like, oh my God. Just the early stuff that's happening. There it is. Okay, it's known as a site where the Prophet Muhammad received the command to change the direction of prayer to Mecca. Oh, so that's where he learned it. Ah. Mm -hmm. Yeah. It's a weird time for religion for sure. It's also a weird time for the Jews. Like, I've never seen more anti -Semitism, like openly.

1:28:21Yeah. Yeah. Public and openly. Yeah. Then now. Yeah. Like, just regular anti -Semitism. Not even towards these particular Israelis that are bombing Gaza. Right. Just across the board. Yes. As if some 24 -year -old kid in New York is responsible for what's happening in Palestine. Right. Just because he has a star, David, on. Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's, the internet is also, I got a group. It's got a group hysteria, like a mob hysteria, and two of them. And then people is just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, and get out all your things on that. 100%. That's exactly what it is. And it's also a bunch of people that have been bullied.

1:29:02And they've been marginalized. And now they're a part of a team. And they bully other people. Absolutely. It's an old hurt people hurt people, thank you. It's absolutely. There's suddenly, you know what it feels like to be in a gang. Only you don't have to worry about physical repercussions. Exactly. And that's a good feeling. Yeah. Power. Destroy. You got power. Yeah. Yeah. It's a wild world. It's changed our psychology completely. Or, or is a little bit, but the people that grew up on it have a whole different psychology. They have a whole different mind than we do. Yeah. They do. Yeah. And there's also a lot of really mentally ill people that are addicted to it.

1:29:40Well, that's what I mean. Yeah, of course. Of course. It's a big part of it, right? And you watch, you watch them get more and more obsessed each that you watch them become more and more compulsive and more and more. You see it? I've been over the years. I've seen it. People I've known. Yeah. They go, they fall apart. I know a couple of people that are like really falling apart because of it. Yeah. Yeah. If you ever thought about going to the flip phone. A flip phone? Yeah. I don't even know if I had a flip phone back when they came out. Disconnect. Like David Tell. He's all flip phone. He is.

1:30:15Flip phone. Yeah. He had a text when he was making a text in here. It's like, it takes forever. It takes forever to write a letter. I like when that guy, Christopher Nolan, did you see his wife gave that speech when he went to Academy Award this year? No. And she gave the speech. She goes, she was the producer. I guess the movie. And she goes, and my husband who doesn't have a phone, never had a phone, never had a computer. He's like, this guy does only his high tech day. He doesn't only computer a phone. Wow. Is that weird? It is weird. Tucker Carlson doesn't have a computer either. Wow. Doesn't have a television.

1:30:54I remember hearing in the 90s Quentin Tarantito wrote his scripts by hand. Like he never used even a typewriter or computer. Hmm. And you think a guy like him would be into it? Well, a lot of people like writing things by hand. In fact, I'm pretty sure JK Rowling wrote Harry Potter by hand. Wow. Yeah. Pretty sure she wrote it by hand. See if that's true. I think she wrote it by hand first and then typed it out later. I mean, that's, that's a, that's so amazing. I also think that's how Bill Clinton wrote his autobiography. My life? Yeah, he wrote it. I'm 99 % sure he wrote it. It's crazy to me.

1:31:33Yeah. I wrote first two potters by hand. Wow. And typed them on a 10 year old typewriter. All the writer needs is talent and ink. That's insane. That is amazing. That's amazing. Hand drawn plot map for inception. Wow. That's nuts. That's nuts. That is nuts. Wow. What a psycho. No computer. That's great. And this guy does like the most advanced script and his movies are always like me. Maybe that's why. Maybe he realizes like he has more bandwidth. Yeah. And he's concentrating on something that's really important to him. And less room for nonsense. But those things you think they would give you more time for that kind of thought.

1:32:16But yeah, I think, but I think they also distract you. There's so much distraction online. It's so difficult to do work. And I guess if you just choose to not engage in it at all, then you're only concentrating on work because you're not checking your favorite sites. No. You're not seeing what's on YouTube. And him and Jake are running both go in the magic realm. They go into another realm. So maybe that's how they get there. Especially Jake. Hey, you're created a whole world. She really did. A whole world of wizards and lost kids and magic spells. Great shit. Amazing. Yeah. And now she's in trouble.

1:32:52Oh, God. She thinks men and women are women. I mean, it's just insane that she can actually have that kind of insane opinion. How dare. How dare she? How dare. It's psychotic because she's in real trouble. I was like, oh, she's not canceled. Yeah. I mean, she's making her money because of her books, but don't act like she's not canceled. Well, people are, she gets death threats. I mean, it's like, she's sick. It's weird. It's a weird, the weirdest. That's a big part of it. Like people like that can all get together. People that think that's okay to get together and act as a gang. And everyone's so terrified of them, they just kind of let them do it.

1:33:31Yeah. And nobody, nobody like stands up and says, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. Everybody's just kind of quiet. Even people that are on the left, they'll, they'll support the people that are canceling her so that they don't get canceled. Yeah. You see it happen all the time. Yep. Instead of saying, hey, you know, she's a wonderful person and she has a right to her opinion. Yeah. It's a very reasonable opinion, in fact. Yeah. What are you saying? Crazy. What are you saying? It's terrible. Yeah. And that's why they're so adamant about getting you to comply. Yeah. We can't be any debate on it because they know it's ridiculous.

1:34:04So they have to like fight you with tooth and nail trans women or women. Yeah. Okay, all of them, I said, are you sure? Are you sure all of them? Maybe you got a few psychos in there that are pretending? Yeah. No. No. Okay. Crazy. Yeah. And those are the ones that go after JK Rowling, the psychos. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, at least she stands up. That lady's got courage. She's got a lot of courage. Yeah. She won't stop talking about it. I think she probably probably took her forever to realize like this isn't going away. So this is just what it is. Fuck you. Fuck you. Truth is the truth. Fuck off.

1:34:41Fuck off. I had a Riley Gaines on the podcast. You know, she's. Oh, yeah. This woman. Yeah. That's that's a crazy case. Yeah. He just let a guy start swimming with girls. Yeah. He says he's a girl. And when he wins, he goes, I guess she's the best. You're like, excuse me. I got to clean my goggles for a second. I think I saw something. You imagine when we were kids, this other being a legitimate issue that's like national. But it's just everybody in the sidelines is watching the pool gone. They should all be able to vote. Like everyone should vote. Like every, every one of these things like how many of you think that a biological male should be like?

1:35:27And if you say yes, and if it wins, it's fine. Then the biological male skin. That's absolutely right. If everybody says no, no, you can't do it. But that's the thing. Instead of just saying, look, we all understand trans people deserve rights. They get abused. We all agree. But you can't be on the swim. You can't be on the swim. You can't be on the swim. You can't be on the swim. We can't. You can't. You just can't. All the unpleasant things. We understand girls. No, you can't even play basketball against girls. You're too big stop. But saying that is really considered hate speech. I know, that's what's not.

1:36:00Despite, but that's where it's anti -science. Because if you just wanna look at it objectively, if you didn't think of it as a man and a woman, if you just took it like an equation, if you just looked at the numbers that are on one side of this equation, if you're trying to pretend that these two numbers are equivalent, and you look at one of them, and it has much greater lung capacity, much stronger heart, denser bones, different hip structure, less susceptibility to ACL tears, different reaction times. If you just looked at the system, just a system of what it means to be a male human being, and compared it to like the elite of elite female human beings, you'd go, oh, this is not an equal.

1:36:40It's not equal. It's just not equal. And I guarantee, his said part also, is I guarantee most trans people feel the same way, and they can't say it. Right, because they're not trying to be considered as bad for it. If they say it in a community, they'll be considered sellouts, and they're not allowed to say their opinions. Well, that's a riff. There's a riff now between a lot of gay people and trans people. But I say, you would be a bitch. I'm not a girl, I just like guys. They're like, you don't say, and you're encouraging young boys to change their gender, and they're not gonna be able to come anymore.

1:37:17Like if you're encouraging them to get the operation, which is crazy, because they're doing thousands of them, you'll never have an orgasm again. They remove your penis, it's gone. They create a vagina. You have to keep it dilated with a thingy stuff up there. Are you sure? Are you sure? You know? Yeah, wait till you, you know, 35. At least. Please make those decisions. Yeah, if you're a 35 year old guy, and you want to become a girl, God bless you. God bless you. But that's the thing. I think a lot of trans people agree with all of this. I think they do too. And they just, they know that they're not allowed because they don't want to throw the baby out of the bath water.

1:37:52And it's like, there's a lot of things going on with it. Like why would I sacrifice against my community when I'm just gonna get screwed by both sides on it? That's the other thing it goes on with the internet, hysteria, is that suddenly, if you deviated all, you're out in bed standing with everybody. Yeah, well that's a problem with detransitioners. The people that transition and have deeper grit, they get attacked. They get attacked. It's crazy. Yeah, and then gay people who say that they wanted to be trans and they're younger, but then they realized they're just gay when they're older and thank God it didn't do anything.

1:38:24Those people get attacked. Yeah. But that is a large number. There was a study about that, about how a lot of the people that thought that they were trans and they're younger, if in time they're just gay. Yeah. But when there's a thing that you're told, like, oh no, you're this, then they give you hormones, which adjust everything, literally changes the way you feel. Sure. And for girls to boys, it alleviates anxiety, which is a problem, because then you think this is what I've always been. Now, you're taking testosterone. Like, of course you're going to feel different. And now you're saying, oh, this is how I always was.

1:39:00If it is how you always, where you wouldn't have to take this exogenous hormone, that wouldn't be necessary. If you think you're a boy, just be a boy, you know, you might just be a gay girl. And if you think you're a boy and you're a girl, just live your life the way you want to live your life. Absolutely. But if you start injecting things into your body when you're 14 or 15 years old, you'll never be the same again. Now, it's just, you don't have a chance, that normalcy, it's gone. If you change your mind and one day you decide to have children, you might not be able to. You might have ruined your voice, you might have changed and masculinized your features permanently forever.

1:39:41And you might not have really wanted that. You might have just had anxiety. I mean, I started smoking cigarettes when I was 14, even though it's a different thing, but it's the same, they say, if you start smoking before you're 18, you have the chance of dying, young of lung cancer, a thousand different. I mean, that's a years thing, right? So how many years you smoke? Yeah, I mean, that's what you start to. The crazy thing is like when we're kids, people haven't really got it in their head, that smoking was killing people. Yeah. What's the start? They fought that so long, they did such a great job bullshitting people.

1:40:14They did such a great job of saying, man, it's probably not that bad for you. Because smoking looks cool. That doesn't look cool. It still looks cool. I see those old French Italian movies, I'm like, oh, man, they're livin'. They're fuckin' sittin' and smoking. Bad ass. It's also the idea when you know it's bad for you, that this person doesn't care that it's bad for them, they're livin' for now. Yeah, well that's true. That's a person in the moment, just livin' for now, fucked up future. I remember when I was 11, I had to go down to, I wanted to buy a 45 record. I'm from the days, they were 45 records, and I asked my aunt, could I have a cigarette?

1:40:51Because she had to walk two avenues, and each block, three blocks and two avenues, and every block, there was a group of kids, also 11 years old, that will up at that hour, hey you, that's what you didn't wanna hear. Hey kid, he like, oh fuck. So I said, if I have a cigarette, I'll just, it wasn't lit, and she gave me a cigarette, a tarry tin, and I walked down the block with my cigarette. Nobody was out anyway, but, you know, that was my move. That and the karate max. Yeah, that's, does it suit the moves? And the six judo glasses. Young kid with a cigarette, the little bit dangerous little fucker, probably got a knife.

1:41:27But the karate man, yeah, I had to really commit. I literally had to stand on the train like this. And the horse dance? Yeah, and stand like this with the magazine open, and the train's open like this, middle of subway. Who's gonna do that? A karate guy. Yeah. Yeah. Smart. It's definitely better than putting in all that work. You don't wanna do that? Sadly, that's really my motive, is that a lazy person? Yeah, you don't wanna get hit in the head a bunch times. You know what he guys, I know, can't breathe out of their nose. Fucking large percentage of them. But on Smith, he went and got the trophy.

1:42:05That's even better. That's a smart move. So he's a funny dude, man. Oh, funny. He's so funny. He's so funny. That's so hilarious. Such a funny thing to do. I knew a story about a dude who is a fake black belt. He actually went and I'm killing a guy later on in life. Wow, he was in that fake. You know, it's a crazy story. The guy was just a compulsive liar, pathological liar. And he claimed he was a black belt and some martial art. And a lot of people started getting real suspicions of him. What he did was he made his friend drop him off in the woods and he brought a duffel bag with him. And he said he was entering into a kumate, like a no rules kumate, this karate fight in the woods.

1:42:50And come back and pick me up here tomorrow. So the guy shows up the next day. And now he doesn't have the duffel bag. But now he has a trophy. That's the same size as the duffel bag. And he said he won the tournament. And so he gets in the guy's car and the guy drives him back. He's like, what? Wow. So he's telling, he just made up a karate tournament in the woods and had his friend drop him off. And then had a bag that he brought with him. He was so not clutch, like brought a duffel bag. What's in the duffel bag? Oh, you know, whatever. Yeah, it's a fight. It's a fight. It's a fight. I don't have a my gay.

1:43:25There's a karate tournament. Well, trophy in there. We guess you tell them, I'm the kind of guy that's like, yeah, I like that kit. You call it a composable, I call him a creative thinker. So what a little credit for his martial arts. He was apparently allegedly banging this guy's wife and found the guy, got the guy like in his karate studio and strangled the guy to death. And then was seeing driving around in the guy's car and eventually got arrested for it. Now, wait a minute. He was, he had a karate studio. Yeah, yeah. He was a fake black belt that had a martial arts studio. Oh my God. Yeah.

1:44:07And he actually had some people that trained with him that were legit martial arts. It is in no. And he was like kind of just proficient enough in the bullshit and got some guys who actually knew a little bit. Yes. Yeah. Right. He's just like, hey, do you think it took a push -ups for 20 minutes? I could teach you how to choke a person pretty quickly. It's not hard to teach someone how to do this with your arm and that with your arm. It's just being able to do it to a person is very difficult. But I could show you very quickly how to squeeze it off and you would be really effective at it. And so that's what he did to this guy.

1:44:41Like he strangled him to death. He got behind him and he just choked him to death. And then he stole his car and just driving out. I don't know what they did with the body. I don't remember exactly what happened. But I remember like, because we had already confronted that guy on being a fake, my friend Eddie actually had a very uncomfortable phone conversation with him while I was with him. Where he's like, you're a full of shit man. Like you're not a black belt. There's no fucking way you're a black belt. It's like, because he was telling him, he did another thing while we were together. Like he went to Thailand to compete in some mixed martial arts fight.

1:45:19And he had just learned this move called the Twister. Very difficult move to pull off. And he came back and he told Eddie that he won his fight by the Twister and Eddie was like, what? What the fuck are you talking about? Like how did you do that? You don't know how to do that. Like you're not good. Like he had rolled with the guy. He knew the guy was terrible. And he was saying that, oh, I'm a black belt and Japanese Jiu Jitsu. It's different. Like, okay. But he was like, no, he was incompetent. He was like a white belt on the ground. And so he knew when he said to the one this match, like he didn't really go to Thailand.

1:45:53Like this is fake. This guy's a nut. And so Eddie had separated from him. And then after that, we hear the story that he killed this guy and was driving the guy's fucking Jaguar around town. Like holy shit. Don't you think the compulsive liars, like I feel like there's not enough research on what it is? Because sometimes you'd be like, that's not true. And they look at you and they, you're not embarrassing them. They part of them believes it's true. Well, they just they're broken. I think they're broken. They don't care if you feel good or bad. They just want you to buy their story. Yeah. Yeah, they're not really there.

1:46:37They're not really connecting these. That's their only mission in life. It's not even, sometimes you just even benefit them. And they still, that's the most important thing to them. Have you read about guys who have pretended to be doctors and set up practices and operated on people? I went to one. The guy, I went to one in a meal. This is in the 90s. And I'll tell you the story. It's all over the paper. Dean, I forget his last name, but he's imprisoned right now for life. Dean, I'll look it up later. Anyway, somebody tells me I had like a, a, a, a system on my own. So they go, I know a guy that'll take it off.

1:47:15And it's good dermatologist, Dean, something. Anyway, so he sets up an appointment. And it's on a Saturday at a doctor's park avenue. It's, but it's Saturday. And I was like, oh, cool. I'm off a Saturday. I go over to his office. I walk in. When I think back now, it was like, nobody, no receptionist, just him. He goes, yeah, I'm just working Saturday by myself. He goes, I let the receptionist off. I was like, oh, cool. I go in the office. It's kind of dark, you know, but it's doctor's office. And I don't know. I guess he worked for the doctor when he had the keys or something. Was it any slices of the thing off?

1:47:52It kind of hurt. It healed very badly, but it healed. But it was not a great job. I remember thinking I never go back to that guy. He overdid it, you know, yeah. It wasn't the Nova came, it was weird. Anyway, like, four years later, Dean Feiello, F -A -I. I was waiting to make sure it was the right guy. There he is. Shed's light on Bosch procedure that left New York woman dead nearly 20 years ago. Oh my God. He buried her. He buried her under a constant, under a concrete slab. It's good thing I left. It's good thing I left. Oh my God. Holy shit. That's a guy. Yeah. And it was like really like, he looked like, you know, he was like, well, quaffed hair and he's crazy.

1:48:31I brought the guy. Yeah. I knew him 20 years ago. He looked much better. He buried her under a constant. Oh he got out, huh? I don't know exactly how they were talking to him. I was like, oh my God. I can't, he got out. No, when he was young, that picture doesn't do him justice. When he was looking. What's that? Was he creepy? Yeah, you got to see the young, when he's young, the picture of when he's young. He looks like, not creepy, but he just looks like he would do it. Yeah, there he is on the left. That's Dean. Yeah. That's when they caught him. Yeah. Wow. Fake doctor Dean Fiello feared something would go wrong.

1:49:04Yeah, I went to him. Did he think that he have any medical history? I mean, he must have worked for an office because he had the case that the doctor's office. He must have been like a, the reception. He was just a crazy person. He was a receptionist or something, yeah. And what year was this where he's doing all this stuff? He's from Madison, Jersey. Most likely, he's succeed by his classmates. Wow. Wow. He worked construction. Hairing and photo to the day spa became skilled at hair removal. 1996 began his own practice, skin ovations from an office on park Avenue. Wow. The blood vessel removal tattoo removal.

1:49:42And this, he's selling himself short. He also removed moles.

1:49:50Wow. That must have been the office park Avenue in 1973. So how did she die? How did this lady die? He had completed the same procedure on cruise over a dozen times before, without her experiencing an allergic reaction to lidocaine. Oh, he was not licensed to perform this procedure. It admitted doing at least 14 times on cruise alone. He went on a claim that after some time, cruise had bubbles coming out of her mouth and her body went limp. By his own account, he delayed calling for help but allegedly attempting CPR but could not get her to start breathing again. He adds a despite being previously certified in electrolysis for hair removal.

1:50:29He didn't have the proper training for what to do when a patient goes into shock. Jesus Christ, what a crazy person. An unverified claim made by FALO who is not licensed or trained to make medical diagnosis and claims that he didn't know how to check for a pulse. He admitted walking away while she, while he believed she was dying of shock. FALO later called a doctor. He knew personally to explain his version of what happened to cruise. According to Vanity Fair reporter, Brian Burrow, the doctor told him to either call 911 or rush cruise to a hospital emergency room. Instead of helping cruise, FALO shove cruise his body into a black suitcase which had been stolen days earlier from his housemate, Mark Richey.

1:51:12FALO claims he put the suitcase containing Maria Cruz in his car and drove straight home. Then he left her in the trunk for two days before finally removing her body into his garage which was just undergoing renovations. It's unclear whether Maria Cruz was still alive when FALO began to try to cover up his actions. Cruz's wallet and purse were discovered by FALO's housemate inside a black gym bag, placed under a rafter in the unfinished ceiling of the garage in August 2003. Just one month after FALO was kicked out. He later admitted in June 2003, nearly three months after Cruz was killed, that he had buried Cruz's body underneath the garage before pouring cement right before a sale of the house was closed.

1:51:58Boy. Boy, and see what I said, the numbing agent didn't work. That doctor just kept his fucking mouth shut, huh? The doctor he called? Yeah. That doctor never told nobody. Yeah. That was kind of creepy. That's really creepy. Like the doctor never goes, Hey man, whatever happened to that lady? Yeah. He didn't even ask. So like nobody even knew and all of a sudden she was, if that moron didn't leave that gym bag behind, he might have gotten away with it. He probably would have. I'd be going to him today. I mean, in 2003, how good would there catch up people? Yeah. Not as good, right? No. But isn't that funny when I just said that numbing agent didn't work?

1:52:36And that's, he obviously tried to. Oh God. Okay, in the aftermath of the call between mutual friend, oh, the mutual friend of FALO, he did rat him out. They both realized FALO lied when he stated he got the woman to medical help and that she was fine. Box searched the house. Now FALO wasn't there. And while looking in the garage, we're called FALO using concrete just before moving out. Batch remembered how uncharacteristically secretive he was about the project and his overwrite reaction when Bach walked in on him pouring concrete. According to New York State detective, Lieutenant T .J. Morruni, Box information gave us the break in the investigation we were hoping for.

1:53:19Uh -huh. Is his ex boyfriend? Oh. Brian Ford received a tip from FALO's ex boyfriend, Greg Bach. Okay. So that's who Bach is. Maria Cruz's body was recovered from the property now occupied by new homeowners. Boy, can they get their money back? I'm gonna fucking live with that house. This lady was underneath the garage. You're parking your hand over a dead lady. Yeah. For months. Well, think of how many people don't know that that's happening their whole life. Yeah. A lot. Yeah. Yeah. Dun dun dun dun. Everybody. That was my guy. Yeah. He was a composable life. Did you ever read Murder Machine? Sure.

1:53:58Yeah. Yeah. Those guys were something. Yeah. That was a joy deus to him on that book scare the shit out of me about Roy D 'Ame. Meanwhile, my friends grew up around there. They were little kids who were telling me these to throw snowballs at the old man's bar, that bar. They were like, ah, they throw snowballs at the old man drinking. I mean, they were just slaughtering people on that. Yeah, they're throwing little 12 -year -old kids like, at the old bats, you know.

1:54:28Throwing mafia, snowballs. Is the mafia still a thing? I mean, I don't think it's still a thing, but I don't think it's nothing. I mean, when you think about how important the mafia was in the 50s and 60s and 70s, even the 80s, but it's insane how much power they had. Vegas. I mean, they probably killed Kennedy. I mean, well, it had something to do with it, but they, even if they didn't, they had so much power over so many industries. Yeah. It was insane. Well, you got to remember Kennedy fucked them over. Yeah. Because they got him in. They helped him win. They helped him win. But they say that, but how much is it?

1:55:07So they got him Chicago. You know what I mean? It's a lot. I guess so. But I mean, yeah. And then he turned on. Well, he let Robert turn on. Yeah. Robert turn on. Not good. But here's the weird thing. Didn't Robert turn on them in the 50s? Was that the, I feel like it was before Kennedy was president. But maybe he promised to lay off and then he didn't. Really? But I guess that's why I would love to, that's the one thing I'd like to see before I die. I'm sure everybody would, I want those Kennedy pay. I want those papers. Did you hear what Trump had about them? What, you don't want to see them or something?

1:55:41Yeah, he said if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either. But what does that mean? He said he's going to release him. That means that that means they threatened him. Probably means it threatened him. What else could it mean? Well, I mean, you wouldn't want to release it either. It's like, what's going to happen? It's 60 years later. What could it be? It could destroy the CIA. Yeah. That's what I mean. That's why I want to see them show me. That if you were the president and they told you that, what would you do? You know, well, you know what? The public deserves to know.

1:56:12Let's destroy the CIA or do you say you know what? We're going to hide this and you're going to give the CIA even more power. But I'm saying he's the thing. If you're the killed the president, whatever this was, 2019, right? Yeah. What you would do is you would say this CIA was nothing like today's CIA. That was back in 1963. You know what I mean? That's what you would say. You would say that was the terrible time in our history. And thank God there's been several changes. You know what I mean? I just don't know if people would accept that. Accept that the CIA hasn't has changed. Yeah, I don't think they would.

1:56:46I think it would open up scrutiny that would be almost impossible for them to do their job the way they do it right now. They just changed the name of the organize. They changed. Imbagraze. I .N .S became ice became ASI became. You know what I mean? I changed the name of the CIA. How dare you. Yeah. What do you mean? I changed it to the Central Intelligence Agency. I never liked that name anyway. It's stupid. You know what I mean? It's got to be a better name. What do you propose?

1:57:19The United States over the over, well let's think of something like, you know, like the overlords. How about that? That's what they all on. It's information overlords. Let's just cut to the chase. The information overlords. We decide what gets out. We find out what's happening. How about the American shadow boys? Ooh, I like it. Shadow boys sounds like a cool band. Yeah, that was like a cool blue grass band. Shadow boys. Sixth Street. Like some do with a band zone. They play it sixth Street. Yeah. That sounds like a good band. The shadow boys, I like that. I'm good at band names. Are you? Give me another one.

1:58:02I tried to make my nephew back 20 years ago and he was trying to be a band. I said, call yourselves, do you know what's? Because that was one of my favorite jokes. You hear that paratrooper? You hear that paratrooper about that? He goes, you don't want to buy this paratrooper. He's got a filthy mouth. And he goes, I can handle it. Barricain's home in the paratrooper. He's like, hey, Mr. Misty. He goes, what? He goes, go fuck yourself. The guy goes, don't talk to me. That smacks the cage. Paratrooper beats up the paratroopers. I go, I'm not the guy to play with like that. Next day he comes home.

1:58:33Barricain goes, hey, Mr. Misty. He goes, what? He goes, go fuck yourself. He goes, you piece of smear. He almost drowns the paratroopers. Next time he's going to go fuck myself. I'm going to kill you. I promise you, I'm going to kill you. Next day he shows up from after work. Barricain goes, hey, Mr. Misty. He goes, what? Barricain goes, you know what?

1:59:12Barricain goes, you know what? Barricain goes, you know what? Barricain goes, you know what? Barricain goes, you know what? Barricain goes, you know what? Barricain goes, you know what? Barricain goes, you know what? Barricain goes, you know what? Barricain goes, you know what? Yeah, and they're great jokes. Yeah. But you know we would never do it. We would never lower ourselves. Yeah. But we're thinking about great jokes. Who wrote them? Where do they come from? Yeah. I tried to get, I used to live in the same building with Jackie entling, the joke man. Jackie, the joke man. So one time I go, Jackie, this is like 15 years ago, we're going to do a documentary.

1:59:44We're going to find out all the jokes where they come from. Who wrote them? I said, because you must know a lot of this, because he knows every joke ever written, you know. So I go, you must know some of this. He goes, no, I don't. I go, what? He goes, I don't know any of those. I go, you know all these jokes, your whole life is built on it. You didn't bother to try to find it. He goes, I have no idea where they came from. So even he doesn't know. I don't think anybody knows. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that weird that nobody? Some of these jokes are amazing and nobody knows. Nobody knows where any of them came from.

2:00:18It's weird. It's weird. And some of them are great. Where did they come from? And that's also, we have that with memes now. And some memes, you know who did it. Because they put like a watermark on it. Yeah. And they post it on their site. Some memes, you get it a text message chain. Someone just sends you something. You're like, ah! Right. And then you send it to your friends and they're like, ah! And nobody knows where it came from. And some of them are some of the funniest fucking things that I've ever seen online. Really funny. Really funny. Yeah. Where does it all come from? Well, you're getting now especially, especially with memes.

2:00:56You're getting the input of millions of people. And there's so many people out there that could have been comics and just chose not to be. They either didn't try it and they have a mind for it. Right. But they're funny. And so they get their funny out on the sneak tip. They get their funny out when no one's looking. They take a picture of Taylor Swift and they do something to it. And they write something underneath it. Yeah. And they post it up there and they're like, ah! And that's how they're doing comedy. Yeah. They're getting that out in this way. And when you're sourcing from millions and millions and millions of people like we're doing currently, probably more, probably billions of, in English speaking, people that are contributing to the meme pool of the world.

2:01:34Right. Because you have all these other countries of millions of people. It's probably a billion plus people that are doing that. And they're all online. And out of those, you're going to get a few thousand hilarious people that have never done stand up and could be a David towel. They just never did it. Right. That's right. Yeah. I mean, those minds exist. Oh, I used to have a few friends that were really front, we had this friend, Al, a friend, Al, who worked on an ambulance. He would come home every night. And remember, he would have an experience every night because he's an ambulance. Right.

2:02:07He would come back and tell us stories. And people would be the next day and we'd be crying. Because every night, the way he told, he was a funny guy. Yeah. And he would just talk about all the abuse he took as a stripper. So I pull up and he was that kind of guy, like you said, he could have been a great comic. Yeah. There's a lot of guys like that. The funniest guy I ever knew who wasn't a comic was a guy I worked for. He was a private investigator. His name is Dave Dolan. He's called himself Don and my dickless Dave Dolan. And he, like, leave messages on my voicemail. I still have a phone number that I haven't gotten rid of.

2:02:42I have this phone because it has a voicemail on it for him before he died. And he was a private investigator and lost his license drunk driving. And so he needed someone to be his driver. So he put an ad in the newspaper for private investigators apprentice. I was like, oh, I'll try that. I needed some other kind of a job to just sustain myself. I was trying to make a living doing stand -up. And so I drove this guy around for six months until he got his license back. And we did a lot of private investigators work. And he would just make your laugh. Oh my God. He was hilarious. He was so funny.

2:03:13He was so funny about everything. He was always funny. He was just on. He was everybody he talked to. They just start smiling. The moment they start talking to this guy, he was a charming dude. He was smart as shit. And he was just very, very funny. And he was, I would be crying. And I remember telling my girlfriend at the time, I came back. We went out to dinner that night and we were eating. And I was like, I'm not anywhere near as funny as this guy. And he doesn't even want to be a comedian. No. Because I was an open micro at the time. And I was just starting. They just funny. He was just funny.

2:03:46I mean, just the fucking guy had a funny take on everything. Same with, and he was a drunk, but he's quit drinking like that. Never went back to it. Never, never fell off the wagon. Was getting hammered every night and then went to nothing. And was still had the sensibility of a hilarious guy at the bar. He's still act like a drunk. He was stone cold sober. He had no filter. Dick Dolan. Yeah. Dynamite Dave Dolan. Al Cantor, same thing. Yeah, there's funniest. Those guys would come out and just roll. 20 new minutes a day. It always makes me think about that Billy Joel song. I'm sure that it could be a movie star if I could get out of this place.

2:04:25Right. Sing us a song. Yes. I'm a piano man. I mean, there's a lot of people out there that just never just never tried it. Never went for it. Never tried something. Well, they just, and there's a million things you're getting away. What is your name? You've heard of Forrester's syndrome. No. I was looking up the origin of knock -dock jokes and this popped up during this article that said in Europe, incescent wordplay became treated as a psychological condition. Oh my God. Jamie's got to go to a hospital. Manic punning. People that were compulsively punning. That's Tony Hinchcliffe. Right. Tony Hinchcliffe would 100 % get locked up.

2:04:57Compulsive punning and inappropriate jokes is known as Forrester's syndrome in the 19th. Oh, I love it. Forrester's. I guess that's back when people need you to go to work. There was only work. Joking. Hold on a second. Joking just got the way of things. Oh, especially in 1929, Austrian psychoanalyst A .A. Brill was exploring a malady termed Whitzelschöcht. How do you say that? Whitzelschöcht. Whitzelschöcht. An addiction to wisecracks according to psychology today, German neurologist, Autrid Forrester, identified manic punning in what eventually became known as Forrester's syndrome. Wow. And then I guess people got tired of it.

2:05:41Nailum knock knock jokes in there. There's like in the radio in the 30s, people were like knock knock jokes everywhere. Hey, clubs. By the way, would this not be a great movie? Yeah, would be great movie. Okay, so we all agree basically that the first real stand up in terms of like the way we do it was Lenny. Right. Lenny Bruce. Yes. He was the first. So he was the first game change to just talk about stuff. Game change. Yeah. Just talk about stuff and make it funny instead of just have like a series of jokes that anybody could tell. Well, not anybody, but right. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, like Catskill guys, they could all, so many of them were just joke tellers.

2:06:19Yeah. No, he was a game changer. Yeah. Who have you seen live? Who'd you get as chance to see live? Do you see prior live? No. Never. I had Colin on Tough Crowd. Oh, really? Oh, it's fun. Oh, wow. That must have been awesome. That was really awesome. My whole, all my family, my family never really, you know, come to show. I'm from New York. So my cousins, everybody, they've been in my shows over the years. But you know, this is already a hundred years. They're not going to come. I forget how I knew, but I told them the whole stands. There was 40 or 50 of my family. My cousins, my uncles, my aunt, who's calling for Irish people.

2:07:03I'm certain that that that routine he did was like, it's the first of us are comedy have that power or two. Like they would just listen to it and just laugh over the Catholic school experience that traumatized them. And this guy did 13 minutes explaining it. That 30 years old, it was 13 minutes and it changed their whole lives. And so they all showed up. And it was just a really power. And he was said, hi, you know, like he understood like he went out there and was like, hey, how you doing to them? It was really interesting. Look at Lil' Skinny Jim. Yep. Well, young baby face Colin Quinn. Jim demanded to be in that show by the way.

2:07:42He loves Colin. Oh, yeah. Look at Nick DePolo. Oh, yeah. Young and handsome. Oh, yeah. Greg Gerardo. Yeah. That was a great show. Do you think you'd ever redo that show? Would you ever want to? No, we took it about this last time. I feel like it was when it was at the time. And it's just, but you were so good as a host. Thanks. Thanks. Have you thought about doing something like that? Will you host something with Colin? Well, when I did this cop show on YouTube that was basically like a Lauren Order show. And I started having comedians on it. I was planning on making it like, like I would have Jim on, but the plot would involve insulting him and like attacking him.

2:08:19And then Bobby Kelly came on and he stresses sister, like a villain. And he's like complaining about me putting him in this, you know, women's outfit and Keith Robinson. So it became sort of like, that's what I would do. But I mean, I ran out of money. But I mean, but that's, I did a bunch of those cop show type things. I think top crowd in a lot of ways was the beginning of podcasting. Yeah. I think a combination of the Opie and Anthony show and tough crowd. Yeah. Because those are the first places where comics got together and just talk shit and beat themselves in. And talk shit to each other and riff and laugh and at each other and have a good time together.

2:08:58And you saw the combrottery, which you didn't really see that with comedians. You saw them on stage by themselves telling the routine. You never saw them sitting down together like that. No. No. Yeah, it was definitely a, it was definitely an interesting thing. But I thought I would do it in that form, the cop should think because that was more, you could still do it. And you could make fun of the culture at the same time. It was another way of doing it. But anyway, I did that for a while. But, you know. But that show was groundbreaking. Because like you guys would just, you would cover like cultural issues, current news events, things that were happening.

2:09:34You get all these comics have a take on things. And then, and then trash somebody's personal life too in the middle of it. And there's, there's clips on Instagram. Like there's one channel that has all tough crowd clips. And you go and watch it. Oh my god. This guys would be, it's so much trouble today. Oh, we'd be gone. Even back then, we got in trouble. I know, but it's, it's crazy. I mean, we're talking like tough crowd ended 2000. What? 2004. 2020 years. Wow. 20 years ago. Isn't that crazy? That's 20 years ago. Oh, God. Boy, it makes no sense. Time is just a motherfucker, isn't it? It's ridiculous.

2:10:12It's so quick. It's terrible. It's so long and yet so quick. So much experience and yet, it just all happened just a little while ago. Jesus. But so long ago, 20 years long. It's a really long time. It's insane to me. Yeah. It feels like, it was yesterday, it feels like it never happened. It feels like both. It feels like it was just recent and like it was never, it never occurred. Like it's a movie I watched. Right. Right. Like if you watch it, you won't even remember what you said. And you think about Gerardo and Patrice, these guys had long gone, you know? Where are crazy Gerardo's story? This is really weird.

2:10:49I went to a movie recently and I'm leaving the movie theater and I went into the bathroom and as I'm leaving the bathroom, this guy walks in and he recognizes me and he said, Hey, what's up? And I go, what's up? And I thought it was Greg Gerardo for like one second because he was like, he was taller, but he looked exactly like a young Gerardo and my brain, I didn't expect to see him. And so I opened the door and this guy is there and he says, what's up to me? And I think he recognized me because it's like, you know, Greg's dead. It's crazy. And this isn't Greg. Like this is crazy. And I'm like, Hey, what's up, man?

2:11:29How you doing? Nice to meet you. And so I recover and I walk out and then I'm like, Oh my God, I tell my wife. I said, I just thought I saw a dead friend of mine. Yeah. For one second, I thought it was him. So I know it sounds crazy. But I was so happy to see him for that one second. Yes. It's like a dream, man. It was horrible, but it was great. It was great for that one second. It was great because I was like, Greg. Yeah. But it wasn't him. And they'd gone forever. He was on the same set as me when I was doing news radio. So we were doing news radio at one, one of the buildings and his building was right next door when he was doing his sitcom.

2:12:07That's right. So we were always hanging out together in the parking lot and talk shit and watch Joey Lawrence get into his car. I mean, that's great. What do you see? Of course. Yeah, he had a sitcom there too. Yeah, they had a big scandal recently. Some chambalysis thing right? What? Who did? Really? I thought I saw something for real. I didn't hear about that. Yeah, I think they were involved in that. What is it? I don't know because there's also a lawsuit about one of the things. I don't know. Sorry. There's a lawsuit about one of those. Google that. I haven't heard that story at all, but he was, he would play his own music in his car.

2:12:42Joey, look at him. Whoa. Yeah. He plays on music rocking out. Must have been fun. We have beautiful handsome 19 year old with a sitcom. He's probably like 19, 20 years old. That older than that. Just playing his own music in his car is like, well, it's guy. I love it when you run into another comedian on when you when you're involved with non -comedy things. Yes. Matthew Lawrence. That's what it was. My agency fired me after a fuse to take my clothes off for an award winning director. Right. Whoa. Whoa. So they were involved in the victim side of it. Yes. He was supposed to be like a superhero movie.

2:13:20One of these things. Oh, Jesus Christ. It's creepy when you find out how much of that stuff is real. Yeah, it is. You know, the more they unveil, the more stories come out. Unbelievable. Kids, Nickelodeon. Like the Nickelodeon guy. That doesn't make sense, though. Like if you were a fucking creep, you'd want to work with kids. There's been many times in my life where I've been proposition to get a huge role. Lawrence says in the podcast, I lost my agency because I went to the hotel room where the actor ledges a prominent director showed up in his robe, asked me to take my clothes off, said he needed to take polaroids of me, and said, if I did X, Y, and Z, I would be the next Marvel character.

2:13:58Holy fuck. Yo. If he's telling the truth. Yo. Yeah. You know who else was on the set? Lenny Clark. Oh, he was? Yeah, Lenny Clark was on that show with what the fuck was his name? He played a judge. He used to be on that. Harry, Harry, some, Anderson. God, damn it. He had a show. It was a show was his name. John Larricetto. Yes, the John Larricetto. So it could pull up the cast of the John Larricetto. Did you hear that? Sure, Lenny Clark. When he first got a sitcom in the 80s, I saw him out there and 91, whatever it was. There it is. Look at Lenny. So I knew Lenny because the second time I ever got paid to do stand up, I opened for Lenny.

2:14:47And Lenny's like, kid, you're hilarious. He gave him all his great advice. I was like, holy shit, Lenny Clark from HBO. He said I'm funny. He laughed at me. Like, this is amazing. And so years later, he was like five, six years later, Lenny and I are working on sitcoms on the same lot. Just right next to each other. But the story is when he got his own sitcom, Lenny, back in like 91. And he went to the bank and he says, I went to the bank. I think you told me this story. Maybe I heard it on a show. But he goes, and they go, well, Mr. Clark, you can't buy this house. We need this collateral. He goes, he's a man collateral.

2:15:23He showed him a TV guide. He was on the cover. The cover TV guide back when that was a good thing. He got robbed. He did? Yeah, he's agent. He was a part of, I think it was the star agent. I know crazy. But I think this one person got like Jerry Seinfeld. Wait, I knew those guys. Of course. That story. Spotlight. Yes, that's it. Yeah, not star, spotlight. Spotlight, yeah. They fucked everybody. Oh, yeah, they were. They stole millions of dollars, right? What ever happened with all that? They were in, oh, I don't know, but I think they were very connected and certain areas. What I heard. Yeah. So nothing happened.

2:16:03Not good. Nothing happened. Damn. Yeah. Got robbed. Yeah. A lot of people lost money. It's like a Bernie Madoff type deal, almost. That's right. For comedy, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's. Well, handy to your money, Colin. What's that? What about a Colin? We'll handle your money. I mean, and we were so stupid. And I remember Brett Butler telling me, look at these assholes, talking about Spotlight. These guys coming here to hit a rob us. And I go, that's, I was thinking like, what do you have to do? If they were our friends, we see them every night at the club. Why would you think they hit a rob? They're doing business.

2:16:35They take that percentage. That's what I was thinking. Yeah. I mean, I was six months later. I'm like, oh, shit. They came right in. They come with the, because that's what's so great when people are robbing you is they're not, they're coming in like friendly. They're, but they're hanging out with you as friends. Yeah. They're going to the diner. They're, they're bringing all that human being shit. And then they fucking rob you the whole deal. Yes. The sociopaths are amongst us. They're sociopaths. They are, they do exist. They do. And they, many of them are successful in business. Well, we talked about them last night like joke thief sociopaths.

2:17:09There's a bunch of them too. Yes. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.

2:17:17That's right. They're gonna create themselves for what they're doing. The same thing with those pathological liar. Like that guy Dean, he didn't think it was going to kill her. He's like helping her like they're not thinking, I mean, they know they have to cover it up. The same with joke thieves, they think they, they don't think they're joke thieves. They're like, no, no, I'm just, I'm inspired. But, what do they think everybody does it or they think everybody's influence? Yeah. What was the store with the spotlight? Can you find that? Oh, what did they do? How did they get even the money? I don't even think they, I don't even think it became a thing.

2:17:47I think it was just we knew about it. I've been astounding in an article. So they were connected? Is that what the deal is? That was, that was the word and it seemed like when I look back, I'm like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. Shady. Like they were just, you know, so much shady. I know the more I see them all the time. Yeah. And they were just shady motherfuckers. Yeah. Hangin' out with your dad. I remember the lead. I don't remember his name, but he looked just like, remember that movie Angel Heart when De Niro plays Lewis Safer, Lucifer. He looked like him. Yeah. You ever hear that Zach Bryan song, a damn cold vampires?

2:18:27No. It's a great fucking song. It's about that. It's a great song. It's about the industry. It's called damn vampires of the name, but he says these damn cold vampires of the song. Yeah. Well, it's trying to build an empire off the things that they can take. Yeah. Yeah. It's all it is. It's their building an empire off of other people's work. And Kimmel, they're doing this. And comedians and the ebbs, I guess all the people all of them, comedians are really the easiest because when I business people, when I have a business money. Right. Right. So it's like, they look around and they go, and they probably think to themselves like, hey, if they want like any thief thinks, if it was that important to them, they wouldn't leave it out there.

2:19:06So just take it. They didn't ask about the track, you take it. Right. Because we get sidetracked and we all have like some kind of, well, if you're in a corrupt business and everybody else is corrupt too. And in chill business in the early days, it was all corrupt. It was all mob run and everybody was, everybody was in code. Everybody was robbing, yeah. Oh my God. I mean, yeah. It's crazy. Wild business. Yeah. But yeah. So we were on that. So the Greg Joroldo thing was like, Greg and I would just hang out in the parking lot all the time. I got, I knew him in New York, but I really got to know him on the set.

2:19:43Great guy. This is some guys when they die, you just go, no, just no, no, no, not that one. Yeah. No, I know, I know. And he was, yeah, I mean, he was, I'd see him every night for years and it was great guy. Yeah. Did you know Brody? Yeah. Brody Stevens. I knew Brody when he worked at the cell, he's the, the barker at the cell, when we had to drag people in the cell. He was the barker. He'd be great at that. He was great at it. Yeah. Yeah, he was a good dude too. He was another one. When he went, I was like, no, just no. I know. Just what did he die of? Suicide. Oh, no. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God.

2:20:28That's one when you just go, maybe if you saw him the night before, gave him a hug and told him what funny was, and he loved him. Maybe he would have helped a little, you know, he always had think things after the fact. Yeah. You know, he had gone through some episodes where he would go off his medication and get a little crazy, then he'd back back on and then, and then every now and then he'd just catch that groove and he'd be on stage and he would be on fire. I remember one time I was at the improv and it was a late, late show. It was like a 10 p .m. show and I think my spa was like 11 .30. So I do my spot and the foot, the show's over.

2:21:02It's fucking 80 people in the crowd. It's one of them deals. And then Brody is going to close the show and they introduce Brody. Brody takes his shirt off and he's swinging it around overhead with music. Like they're playing music. He's swinging around and walking through the crowd. He's like, energy, positive energy. He's swinging his shirt around and he goes on stage and he starts playing drums on the stool and everybody's going crazy and then he goes into his material, eight, one, eight, till I die. And everybody's dying. I mean, he just took over the room and I remember staying like, he does so many these late night sets that he just comes on with his big energy and he just recharges the whole room.

2:21:46Everybody loved Brody. That's the kind of, yeah, that's like, well, let's say that Dave Chris Falli thing where they would just come in and change the energy, right? Change the energy of the room. The whole energy was just like, whoa. And it's like, you can't pull it off unless you them. Like if you say, I'm going to be that guy and you try it after like 30 seconds, you just fade. Yeah. They just brought more out in that than just organically that way, you know? Exactly. Yeah. Like you said about Dickless Dave. Yeah. Same thing. He comes in, people start smiling. Yeah. Totally could have been a comic.

2:22:18Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting how few people go down the path, you know. It's just such a weird, if you're going to really, if you want to be successful in life, it's not a good, it's not a good road. No. It's so, there's so many weird obstacles to it that it's crazy. And you really have to get hardened. It's like every other business I'm sure you're successful. You have a little bit of your innocence about humor has to die too. But you have to really, it's a business for you too. And as much as we love it, and I love watching comedians and being a comedian, and I love watching comedians doing their bits and working it out, it's still, you have to really be tough.

2:23:05You have to be tough to be a comedian. Something in you has to be able to tolerate a lot of shit. Yes. That's for sure. Yeah. You have to be able to tolerate bombing, tolerate bad nights, bombing, everything. If you can tolerate bombing, that's people's biggest fear. Yeah, you can tolerate a lot in life. That's your biggest, biggest fear. And we've literally had to stare in the face of a bomb, boy, times that anybody can imagine. I mean, it's literally been over a hundred times in my life where I've had people hating my guts over a hundred times. A whole group of people. Everyone's worse fear.

2:23:42Yeah. What year did you start? 84. Wow. So you were in the boom boom. I came in and it was like a little after the boom. The boom was kind of like dying off when I started. That's right. But that boom in 84 must have been bananas. Well, for me, I was new, so we didn't even think of it. We just thought this is life. You know, and suddenly like two years in, you're making money. Not a lot of money. It wasn't like, boy, I always say, we're doing it the last time. My clock paid real money and all the guys were getting robbing us. But yeah, but it was such an exciting, I mean, just imagine, I tell people, I'm a comedian, they go, what?

2:24:19You have a comedian. What? Like it would just blow people's minds that you were in comedy. And then a few years later, people were like, oh, my cousin's a comedian. So I was like, yeah. But at the time it was blowing people's minds. Did they have open mics when you started? Oh, yeah, that's the only way we get on. Yeah. How many, where'd you go? Where's the first place? The Papermoon. There's a place called the Papermoon. Any Braille was running this place. Any Braille? Yeah. So Papermoon, we started working out there. I started working out there. And we easled my way into it and started working out.

2:24:51And I would bring crowds. Where was the Papermoon? I was a good, I was a good bringer. Yeah. I bring all my friends because I grew up in New York. Right. So my friends show up, you know, where was the Papermoon? On West, it's where the boys in comedy club became. Oh, wow. Downstairs. Downstairs. Oh, it was really cool. Boston comedy club was a great spot. It was so innocent. Yeah. We just thought, you know, we had a sound guy and, well, like, hey, we're going to do a film. We tried to do a films and we just saw, and everybody's so innocent. We just saw it, you know. I never wanted to do it again, but I'm glad I did it.

2:25:25Yeah. Like starting something like that from scratch. Imagine at your age trying a new thing. Yeah. People do do that. It's crazy. Like, how do you have the energy? I guess it's their dream. Yeah, you can't. What did you say to this exactly? The energy to sustain all those drives to bomb for bad money. And then, like you said, you had a day job. And also, I had a day job too. You had to make it because you didn't have any options. Yeah. The only way you were going to make it is if you had options. My friends that all kept a full -time job and didn't give up on that job, never made it as a comic.

2:26:02I don't know one who kept the full -time job and then got to a certain point in time where they could retire from the job and then maintain the same level of comedy as their peers. Yeah. No one did. But a lot of people didn't make it. And they were funny. Yeah. But they just, they, it's so many, so many layers, I guess every job is like this, but we just don't know from comedy. Well, it's just interesting talking to someone like you that I've known for so many years. I think I first met you 30 years ago. Yeah. So it's like we've known each other for so long. You need to think about how wild this ride where I was.

2:26:36Yeah. You know? I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy. It really is. And what's crazy with you're doing that I think is really interesting is like you're still doing stand up, but you've also decided to do these one man shows. Right. And they're fucking amazing. And are you, are you, are you plan these like how do you, how do you, when you decide to make one? Like the most recent one. Like how do you do, do you set, do you have a theme in mind when you sit down? Do you? Well, what happened with this thing I just did was I had a theme in mind and it just wasn't going away. I wanted to. Then I said, I said these psychiatrists and I go, oh, that's my theme.

2:27:13I want to do it in front of psychiatrists. So then the theme, I, the show was built around psychology and how we've cracked up as a society based on social media and everything else, two psychiatrists. So I'm performing to them, but they set the theme. They became, they made the theme exist by me thinking about performing for them. So when you first set out to write this set, right? You decided you were going to do it in front of psychiatrists. No, I tried to do something else and it wasn't working. And then I was going to, the theme was going to be, I don't know what the theme was going to be like small talk at one point, then social media.

2:27:50And then I happened accidentally to a show with four sort of psychiatrists with new ideas together. So I go, I kept referencing back to them. And then suddenly I was like, that's what I want to do with showing for the psychiatrist. So how far into the creation of the set were you? I mean, probably 50%. Why? But it all connects to psychiatry because it's all psychologically. That's amazing. Yeah. That's amazing. And the ones you've done before, like, goes with theme. And you, like, how do you do it? Do you sit down and just write it all out on a computer? No, I go out like the Constitution show is a perfect example.

2:28:28Right. I went every night to the Creek and Cave in New Orleans city and Rebecca directed it. So every night I go with it because I was like, I wanted to show at the Constitution because I was, everybody loves the Constitution on every side of every issue. Everybody's like, Constitution is a great document. So I just wanted to do a whole show on the Constitution because I was like, again, why is it great? And so I just would work it out of Creek and Cave all the time. Just in front of four people, seven people. Rebecca will tell you, ten people. There was never, I never did it in front of a more than 12 people probably.

2:29:01Wow. And eventually it became the show, you know. So you just didn't announce it. You were doing it. You just kind of show up and do it. I announced it. People just didn't draw up for it, but really? No way. I've never been a giant draw. I'm really a comic scum. If the whole world was comedians, I'd be the biggest, I'd be selling that steak. That's what I'm saying, dude. You're one of the best comics alive. You really are. But I'm only for comedians. I'm trying to talk to you and stay in tonight. I didn't really know that I needed to coach you last night. I just didn't want to bother you. No, I was just being like, I want to coach you.

2:29:32Now I know I'm going to coach you from now on. I was being the guy that's here in trouble. Hey, I don't care if you're tired. If you just ate, you're going on stage now. Now I know the game. I didn't know the game. I thought you just wanted to hang out. Something that I didn't want to bump people when I come to clubs. A lot of times I just want to hang out. I just didn't want to bump people. I don't know. You do. I know, but I thought Ron, my was coming. I thought he was coming in. I didn't want to be like the guy that jumped in. Come tonight. Let's see if I can change it. We'll change it. We'll get a guy.

2:29:58Maybe tough. We'll change it. What? Where are you going again? Seattle. Everybody's going to Seattle. Yeah. They get free needles. It's a good spot. And if you get the right time, they might take over the whole CD block. You get to be a part of that. They did it again in Portland. Did they do it recently? Yeah. Another one. Portland just did another one. They took over something. It's all over the news today. Oh. Didn't get the love that one place did. What they called again, Jimmy? The zone. The chop, chop, no. Yeah. Something like that. Something zone. Shaf. Chaf. Chad. Chad. Chad. Yeah. CHAZ.

2:30:35Yeah. Like Chaz Bono. Yeah. That's what it was. It was like the Chaz. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. It's probably the club. It's on top. It's on top. It's on top. It's on top. We're the fucking mayor got on TV. He'd said maybe it's the summer of love. Like, okay, baby. What? And then they boom. Was he the one they blew the girl? It was a lady. And then the guy from Portland was trying to join in. Oh, yeah. They blew his house on fire. They fucking. They said you have to resign. This is a comedy. Yeah. Because he tried to go along with them. And then he's like, you know what? This is bullshit. We need cops.

2:31:08Right. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Now you know. Yeah. You didn't know before. You need to cops. You're the fucking mayor. Holy shit. Holy shit. Not good kids. Well, we'll see if I can change my flat. I'll come back and change your fucking, like, goddammit, Colin Quinn. What's up, Boston? I got to practice. Well, there it is. 20, 24 seconds. Yeah. This is amazing. Yeah. It is amazing. I love the set too. It's fucking perfect. Yeah. That's just, that's just, you know, those gigs they have their pants. Oh, man. You know. What is this on? Is this on Netflix? YouTube. YouTube. It's beautiful. And it's out right now.

2:31:49It says, what's it called, Colin Quinn? Our time is up. Our time is up. You know, therapists always go our time is up. Bam. That's the way we did it. You think there was a good name we should have called it, right? Yeah, it was gonna call it a 50 -minute hour. They say that about therapy too. No, some parts. This guy's a therapist, you believe it? Yeah. Is that guy a therapist? He's guy's a whole therapist. Really? Yeah. Well, I don't know why I have to blur out my sneakers, what is that? Why they blur out your sneakers. Do they blend? For real? I don't know. Who blurred it out? You saw that too right?

2:32:17Yeah, who blurred it out? That's ridiculous. It looks like something's blurred out. It's not as sneaker as something at that part of the scene. Oh, maybe it's the light. Oh, maybe it's the light. It's something. Makes it more weird to blur it out. That's weird. Ah, baby, it'll be good. Conquering you the fucking man. Oh, exactly. Yeah, it is the light. It's still the way the light is shining. Yeah, it's like the speaker. Oh, oh, it looks like it's blurred. Oh, it looks like it's blurred. It's just the box. Yeah, yeah. It's just the monitor. Thanks. Well, I'll probably see you tonight. Oh, hopefully.

2:32:46Yeah. Please come. If you guys can do it, I'll do it. We'll make it happen. Maybe. Tell everybody where they can find everything. YouTube is called Quin .com. You can find me on YouTube. That's in Conquering .com on YouTube. I was aware. What is your Instagram? I am Conquering. Okay. Beautiful. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you.

2:33:13Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.