#2147 - Mike Baker

42:35I think okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's true Americans have a reputation for being confident Okay, even if you're walking in the wrong direction Americans are known for enjoying sweet treats for breakfast to habit that may be seen as strange and other cultures were breakfasts Typically a savory meal Americans are often seems to be obsessed with their appearance and constantly checking their appearance in mirrors It's because with a shit Americans are known for wearing tactical sunglasses Asyle that we've seen as unusual in other countries Okay Americans are known for saying y 'all okay Americans are known for the love of baseball caps.

43:07Yeah, especially when worn backwards Americans in love for the the love of saying the US or America when asked if they're from even though these terms refer to the entire country Americans are known for their friendly grins making eye -talk. Okay. Yeah Supposed basically just the leaning against the wall thing that seems odd. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, that's interesting, but I yeah, I've seen a lot of leaners in my time So but yeah, those all those things it's good to be aware of but You were saying with the fork and knife thing that the Europeans keep a fork and one hand and knife for other They cut and they don't switch hands.

43:44Yeah, what people switch hands? I've seen that a lot here in the states where people like they'll eat you'll cut and you put down You'll eat and maybe it's just because I hang around with a lot of posh people. I don't know. Yeah Those sound like that's a bitch. I'm not saying that not your left hand sucks so hard that you have to swap out Swap out. Yeah, you're scared of the Considered very I think it's considered very Edicott also your bitch from not being able to cut your food with your left hand too. I know both those things You're making it just a lot easier if you also if you just kind of push you're pushing around right there like that and I but then again You know you can do it if you want to eat quick you got a two -hand thing So John smag is in here that says that that's an American style apparently to hold the fork in your dominant hand and switch So yeah, that's the bitches of America So let's say for his steak for instance.

44:33Oh look, there's even pictures. Yeah, let's picture store explain this to us how you cut to Fork goes back and forth now let's take close look at the details. This is ridiculous Actually, okay, I got holding it like a dagger looks like my boy's eating That dude's very boring in real life or a serial killer. Yeah, or or an etiquette teacher. Yeah, either one so But they just the disguising is fascinating and I've been like I said I mean sometimes it can be very simple you you slap on I know it sounds silly be slap on a fake mustache But you're just changing your profile quickly, right? And so it doesn't I will say there were times when you'd get a disguise kit And it would have a baseball cap in and go I don't I don't think so I think it's we're overseas and probably not a baseball cap So who's putting together these disguise kits for you?

45:25It's it I mean the outfit again. It's the it's the disguise unit and the disguise unit isn't aware of cultural differences Oh, no, they are but I'm just saying in the old days I'm fairly old but the old days they throw in a ball cap and you think right okay, well, you give it up here kids. Yeah, so But yeah, hey, what do I know? So is there any video of people wearing these disguises? We could see what they look like I found another video. I was trying to anyone I want to see what it looks like. Yeah We'll see how cuz I saw one on Instagram, but I don't know if it's real and wired same lady I think here she transforms probably like the reporter.

45:58Yeah, just imagine again, and what are you doing? You're So here's a lady right the giro mustache The giro is a wacky hair Wow That's incredible I Don't know she tricked me now. What's going on? That one's not that one's not the best one Yes, not the best, but that's it and then that's also then they brought up the fork and knife in the video Interesting boy, they love that fork and I think holding a cigarette comes up in the video and how you hold the cigarette? Yeah, it's very quick here. They just show like The way you either between the fingers forward like that is that American pinching it and who pinches it?

46:41I don't know. I've seen people peer pinch it. So I don't Yeah, and it shows a guy doing a very quick thing like people that pinched here They're probably like European music so it goes from a suit to just like taking it off Putting on a hat and now he's in disguise See and it can be that simple right? I mean, it's and particularly if you're in in surveillance or you know Well, if you're doing you know county surveillance, you got to be aware of these things Did you see That I had a guest on the podcast that came with my friend Josh Dubin works with Criminal reform and getting innocent people out of jail So we had this guest that came on and then After he's on the show one up killing somebody Cut some dudes head off and uh, yes, yes Um, and the unfortunate surveillance footage where he tried to wear a blonde wig and walk around Yeah, but he didn't realize I think he didn't realize like how good Modern surveillance cameras are yeah, it's like Crystal clear that this dude was wearing a fucking wig Yeah, that was Yeah, it's a love of story I was trying to find that to my daughter last night Yeah, that's interesting, you know that video that you just show because I There's been some talk about the protests on campus right and the fact that all these All these outside agitators activists and then the students the the actual students the ones that are actually affiliated university most of them wearing masks right right and You know part of it is I don't know it's they have mentally ill.

48:20Yeah, they're mentally ill. It's a photograph people every time I see my photograph one today Yeah, it's also walking outside with a mask on the dumb kind too the surgical blue stupid one Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, I do a damn thing But this was I think was was a solidarity thing they're all wearing masks and part of it was also I think they were thinking they couldn't be identified Yeah, there's a lot of talk about retinal scanning right so how much of the face do you need in order to identify people right and it's not Not much right retinal scanning. It's not a hundred percent accurate So there's other things you have to do so would you be able to retinal scan that lady with that crazy outfit on?

48:54Yeah, yeah, just retinal scanner and then none that shit would work the most dash Which is which is and that's yeah, that's great point blue on your face for nothing That shit is tough to take off. It's not good So yeah, and that's it's a really good point because now it's made the life of Of somebody who's working in operations a lot tougher right because of the ability of and it's got to be a country Where you're operating where they've got the resources and the technology but it makes it a shit on tougher to get away with things Right and as does the ability for communications intercepts and tracking of phones and all the other things so You know while you know It's always the same story right technology.

49:36It's got an upside in the downside um But the the face recognition the retinal scanning um It's creating all sorts of problems from an operational perspective overseas and here of course the problem is you know People are talking about civil liberties and you know invasion of privacy and you know So you've got some students out there and they they're covered and next thing you know they're identified right now they're suspended and You know i Fine you you know you know you don't know any of them are getting to graduate There's one girl I was watching this video where they were they just told that she couldn't graduate because she got arrested Well, you know what you you what are they say you play stupid games?

50:14Yeah, you win stupid prizes. Yeah, so they all think they're doing something great They think they're gonna fix it. It's it's you know a lot of misplaced energy With tents with tents. Yeah, and with with matching tents and um and that's that's the part look I again, you know, hey god bless the the actual students who are out there feeling like they're being a part of something I get that they're young people most of them are gornless right there just say whatever right this is You know, this is their moment to shine so they're excited so they don't and they you know most of them couldn't find Gaza on a map of Gaza So I think that you know, that's that's one side of it right and I can't you know Whatever, but it's the it's the coordination of it all by the various outside groups and the activists and the funding of it Right and the potential for that funding and the coordination to tie back to groups like Hamas or Hezbollah Which basically means you're tying back to the Iranian regime right because they that's the only reason those groups exist But nobody seems curious about that because a lot of the media wanted to portray this is just like Kids being kids.

51:16Oh look at this is their moment to shine as as student activists and isn't it wonderful and it's their Vietnam protests and and bullshit Some of it okay fine. So it's layered right so some of that's true you got those kids that are just doing that But there's the incuriosity of the media to say well what the hell's behind this right and what groups is it is it You know students for justice in Palestine is it You know us campaign for Palestinian rights sami dune right which has connections back to Hamas um There's the education for whatever just peace in the Middle East there's groups that have been actively engaging in this and that's why you get The coordination of all of this right?

51:56It's that but nobody asks. Okay. What's behind just students active? No, it's not It's it's a coordinated effort and then you look at those groups who are always active in this in this realm right and always looking to Have organizations disinvest from Israel or to you know promote causes that are anti -Israeli right and Then you say okay, well who's funding it right? So you look at these groups and you say okay, where's the money coming from the money is always coming from the same places right the The Tide Center right which is part of the Tide's network which gets significant funding No surprise from Sorosha's open society foundation um You get Westchester people's whatever action coalition um So you get these groups and then you get the legal support so all these people the activists who are getting arrested They can turn to Palestine legal which provides Legal support to the activists and the NGOs that are engaged in all this again you get they're getting their money from charities A lot of times the charities don't know they're putting money into these groups right it goes into the Rockefeller brothers fund right and the Rockefeller brothers fund Provides money to these NGOs, you know like justice for you know Palestine or whatever and then Uh and and Rockefeller brothers gets you know funding from Sorosha open society foundation is what guy that guy Right well Yeah, and now his kid is even more of an activist than George is right of course kid is yeah kid inherited it Kidding heroin did it make up for the fact that he inherited it by being extra woke Yeah, and he is and extra guilty God for having all those billions you should feel guilty.

53:40You know, fuck yeah exactly Yeah, how can you live with yourself Y 'all in Sorosha What you're talking about though is a very important point that this is not organic and that this is this is what I was going to get to earlier when I was talking about social media What how much do you think foreign Governments have an influence on certain trends and certain things that people are Talking and promoting and pushing and being a part of on social media Is I think it's a I think it's a big factor. I think it's a big factor with a lot of things And I think it's a big factor with all this the most insane woke shit I think they push it as far as they can So that the stuff that's not as insane that wasn't saying just a couple of years ago seems less insane now It seems more palatable and then they just keep moving the goalpost I think you can do that through social media with kids you can kind of engineer what kids accept Oh 100 % and the the answer is yeah, how much do they do?

54:37They do a tremendous amount right look The Iranian regime nobody's happier with these protests on campuses than the Iranian regime right and they've even come out Foreign minister Chameleon himself right the Ayatollah came out on his official ex -page Yeah, who knew and praises the protesters and they talk about the oppression that the and the violent tactics of the police right and suppressing protests Which is which is crazy when you think about what the Iranian regime has done to anybody who dares protest inside Iran But they they executed the world champion wrestler over that they constantly right and they're they're they're trampling of all rights Not just women's rights everybody's rights, right?

55:20So so it's bullshit, but people You know, I don't know people buy it I don't have a peripheral understanding of the workings. Yeah, so the inner workings of all this stuff But then the Russians and the Chinese they're all taking advantage of this as well, right Chinese bots have been out there trolling around and promoting The chaos right if you were to switch on Television right in in Moscow or in Tehran or or in Beijing you'll get a lot of coverage of these campus protests Right, this is this is ideal for them. It's exactly what they want and it feeds into their larger narrative of trying to discredit democracy and say what a what a losing system it is right capitalism and so You know, but but again people are incurious.

56:07They're busy. They're trying to just do their lives Whatever they're not taking the time to sit and think where am I getting my information from what's the validity of this information? And if they don't do that You know then to your earlier point. Yeah, we're fucked. Yeah because it comes down to individual Responsibility you got to focus on where your information is coming from and you know right now You know you could argue I mean that the whether it's the face swapping techniques whether it's AI that they can mimic and whether it's for Criminal purposes or whether it's for state -sponsored efforts to try to to Put the knife in into the American system or the West You know we are it's it's democratized misinformation right?

56:51It's made it so that everybody can engage in and not just state sponsors But everybody because all those apps are out there all the abilities out there And you've got an incurious public for the most part that doesn't take the time and an unformed public They did most of them are not even aware that there's foreign elements that have an influence on our culture Yeah, which is We're just shocking if you think about it. It's shocking but so few people are aware of anything other than what's going on their own life And what's going on at work? Well life is messy and it's tough and you're trying to raise kids and you know You're trying to put food on the table you don't have time and I talked to some of my friends about this stuff in their eyes glaze over Yeah, they don't even want to know I'm busy, bro Yeah, but you know what it does it.

57:30I mean look at look at this state of look at dysfunctional we are right now Right? I mean this is this is remarkable you know times and again Everybody wants to think it's always the worst time right? It's not the worst time. We've had worse times civil war. I think was pretty bad You know, so we've had more dysfunction. I suppose at times but the technology speeds it along right and and and and when you know, we just have more people so they're the potential for more of a shit show is there but That is Ultimately when people always talk about well, how do you how do you you can't you can't just use detection You can't be on the defensive all the time trying to identify.

58:08Okay, that's fake. That's fake. That's fake Right, you've got to rely on people right to say, ah, you know what? I'm not gonna buy everything I read right? I'm gonna pay attention and I'm gonna think about it a little bit and I'm gonna I'm gonna chill a fuck out and But it's not it's not in human nature apparently right now So yeah, we've got a problem and those nations Particularly Iran China and Russia are having a field day right now right? This is we are making it very easy for them and think about it We got the fucking election coming up in November. Yeah So think about what that means in terms of disinformation and It's Yeah, it's it's remarkable.

58:45I we live in a very interesting time I think we're gonna be fine. It's a very resilient environment. I suppose but so I try to be positive But it's probably parallel. Yeah, yeah Well, let me ask you this from a perspective of someone kind of understands all these different influences and all the things that are happening in these universities What can be done? To sort of like unwind some of this fuckery If anything at this point, I mean, are we just gonna operate from here on out with this understanding that our kids getting Doctorated to this Ridiculous way of thinking whether taught these Marxists the Leninist ideas as if they make any fucking sense and that they've Ever worked anywhere and if they don't always lead to Totalitarian authoritative governments that take over and enforce all these socialist policies Which is a fucking nightmare that happens in every single regime when they go socialism.

59:43Yeah So what can be done to sort of like unwind some of this bullshit in colleges and Balance it out a little bit like there's nothing wrong with having ridiculous ideas as long as those ridiculous ideas can be challenged But if you're the only one that gets to talk right and you just indoctrinate these kids and no one comes along and says hey You've never even functioned in the fucking real world Like this shit that you're teaching these kids unless they go into academia. They're fucked. Yeah Or you're gonna ruin corporations with this ideology because it just it doesn't jive with capitalism It doesn't jive with and oh yeah, we got a tear capitalism down.

1:00:21Okay. Well then what you fucking it is Then no one has any incentive to get anything done. Well, that's great for you because you've never done anything Yeah, so you think all these people that did things even if you don't agree with them even if it's Bill Gates He's still built that fucking company. That's his right. He did it Do you want to be that guy then go do what he did if you don't like what he did Then you know you can talk about it You can protest about the idea that you should everyone should have to give all their money away And there should be no billionaires There should be no capitalism and all the money goes into and then who who's in charge and who gets to tell you what you can do And not do who gets to tell you you can't have your money anymore who gets to take your house away because it's too big Shut the fuck up.

1:01:01Right. This is like so short -sighted and so stupid that it's so hard for me to believe that it's being taught universities Right or the idea now what they're saying is like you got a big house you got a couple extra rooms. You know what you should do Yeah, taking these fucking migrants. Yeah, taking some murderers. Yeah, that we haven't we haven't bothered to The 13 tattooed on his forehead bring them in. Yeah, he's fine. He's a nice guy's trying to clean his life up That's why he walked here. Yeah, and the board is fine. Don't worry about it. It's all good. It's fine It's only like 20 % Chinese nationals that are of military age.

1:01:29No, that's this the staggering number the staggering number of Chinese Have come across the border in the past six months. It's why yeah, it is it is fascinating because you think What accounts for that increase? They want to learn mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, the best gyms Lot of even the Chinese champions that come over here to train really yeah, standing so maybe that accounts for what 20 ,000 of the 26 ,000 yeah 30 30 of those guys are future and all these stars future you have these stars But I mean you look at the universities and think yeah university is supposed to be a place where you exchange ideas So that's great you want to talk about you want to have classes in in in Marxism or whatever you want to talk That's great, but you you're right.

1:02:05You need to have that discourse yet need to be You know, I again, I keep it very back to the examples of the you know real world and from my own experience You know my daughter went to undergrad and grad school and she kept her mouth shut for most of that time Right six years because she always knew what she said there was no upside to her Arguing in class, right, you know, and she's a centrist right she's and that but that's not popular either You can't be a centrist on campus. No Maybe you can't say there's good ideas on both sides So I know fuck that there and on you yeah terrible So yeah, so she she went through school and that's that's a terrible thought yeah, right?

1:02:44It's particularly when you're paying for it But she she worked out fine. She's great, but she and she understood a joke right she got the joke But it shouldn't be there right you shouldn't have to decipher that for four years You shouldn't have to go and we put this through the bullshit filter right okay? Let me just get through this class and figure out what's applicable and what I need for my degree yeah But unless you know, I do think there's there's some bounce back on on the corporate side with DEI For example, right? I think there are a number of companies out there just as with the sort of the climate You know change, you know, I've watched I watched oil companies like do this complete left turn saying we're gonna You know, we're gonna make a over half of our revenues from green energy in the future near future like a couple years Don't know you think like it's not gonna happen But they have to play that game for a while and then they come back and go it's not gonna happen So you know what we're doing we're investing in all of this shit including fossil fuels So I think whether it's that or whether it's the kind of the pushback on DEI from corporations that are saying um, you know Maybe it is a grift right maybe you've got all these DEI grifters out there and they got it It's a cottage industry.

1:03:46They can make a lot of money off of this bullshit get a lot of government grants and all this thing So but I think there's some pushback universities. I think are a tougher issue. Yeah, right? I don't think unless Unless parents and kids just say I'm not going to that bullshit. I mean look have you seen some of these kids at these supposedly elite universities talk How the fuck did they get into these universities because they most have passed at the application process? It's just really bad talking Say that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, could be well. I think you know You basically have to just memorize what they're teaching you That's that doesn't require a lot of critical thinking Yeah, and then when you have to think on your own and say what is from the river to the sea mean?

1:04:28Yeah What river are we talking? What does that mean? Yeah, what's see are we talking? And what does that mean? What happens to the Jews that live there? Where do they go? They go back to Germany? Yeah, like what are you saying? That's an interesting um It's an interesting phrase. I will say that you know You talk about Hamas and in the Israeli conflict now, and it's I mean there's a minefield here actually one of my one of my managing directors for For my company portman square group for all your information and security needs. Thank you One of the managing directors said knew that I was I was gonna sit back down with you And they said look I know you're probably gonna want to talk about Hamas.

1:05:01Is there any way you can do it right without pissing off people And that's cute. Yeah, I know that's what I thought right so you want me to talk about the Israeli You know Palestinian issue without upsetting somebody yeah I don't think and she's a brilliant person, but I don't I don't think that's gonna happen, but I will say it is The it's obviously it's complex, but it's complex in part because it's not absolute right and and everybody talks in Absolutes when it comes to this right? It's it's it's it's it's Hamas and it's a Palestinian Hamas is a terrorist organization so fuck them But it's the Palestinian problem or it's the Israeli problem You know what if you look at their history right There's problems on both sides right and no and and yet we talk about it like it's black and white and one of the other Right and you would never gonna get this problem's never probably gonna get solved in our lifetimes anyway, but it is It is disturbing when you hear some of the kids the actual students I mean try to explain what this is right and what this problem is and and talk to me about the river to the sea Which again you can say that phrase You know in in in in in 10 different circumstances is gonna mean 10 different things to 10 different people right Um, and that's legitimate you have to understand that that's okay.

1:06:20I get it the Israelis view that as like you're You're talking for a destruction genocide of of Israelis right because that's a destruction of a group right not not a war crime or something Crime against humanity genocide is your intent is to destroy the group right and So they they'll see that Palestinians some Palestinians not come awesome. I said in their charter They know what river to the sea means right? It's it's you know It's taking over that entire territory and you know fuck Israelis But Palestinians can say it and it means something else. It's a yearning for whatever freedom for a homeland for it So there are variances in it But that never gets discussed Sometimes because people are just screaming at each other like every other fucking subject out there right that That is the issue right yeah, and and then of course when you are on a college campus And all this is being encouraged by these groups that are funded Yes, and then you seem like if you want to be a good person You have to be a part of this group you have to go there and be a part of this protest.

1:07:22We see a lot of that yeah They're just there because they're they think they're supposed to be a good person to be there And they want to make all their friends think they're a good person there carrying around signs and yelling out these things got to kefya And they're like hey look at me. I'm in the encampment. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing here But you know it is a fascinating time if they allowed debates Because if you could see a pro -Israeli and a pro -Palestinian debate like a real legitimate honest intellectual debate and discussing all the various issues like from the beginning of the formation of Israel to Back in the history of the land and then what's going on today all the treaties all the different things that have happened all the different peace talks That would be a fascinating opportunity for people to hear both sides of this conflict and and try To get a better understanding of it instead of just running out there with signs and camping on the lawn It's a deep like And these places of higher education are supposed to be where these difficult conversations get sorted out Exactly as you're supposed to have the smartest minds and to bring in the smartest minds from either side There's brilliant people that are pro -Israeli and brilliant people that are pro -Palestin They're brilliant And if you can get them together and have them sort out your details All the people in the audience can get a better more informed understanding of how complex this conflict is and that is supposed to be what universities are for That's what it should be it should be a place where people can sit down and learn something about something very difficult Which is international conflict these crazy moments in history where we get Intwined with military conflicts that are happening all over the world And it's nowhere near you and it's complicated shit man And to just run out there with a sign because these fuckers are Organizing this on campus if it messes everything up it messes up everybody and to have like only one side's perspective heard messes up everybody the whole things a mess man Well, I think that the students for the most part again the actual students who have an affiliation with the universities um Look you know the palette the the pro -Hamas groups the pro -Palestinian activists They tend to view the students I believe as essentially useful idiots right window dressing And it gives it a sort of a veneer of as you'd point out before sort of this organic grassroots movement that's sweeping the nation when in fact There's this underlying infrastructure that's always out there right trying to take advantage of opportunities like this in the chaos And then aside from that then you've got this other 30 ,000 foot problem where you've got the Iranian regime and others who are promoting this and pushing for it Look, you know, hezbollah Hamas they've got they got a lot of money right they because they they have Again not not to disappear out of rabbit hole, but the leaders of of Hamas are extremely wealthy right You know ishmel Hanyay and and mardzook and and Michelle and the other cacts, you know They have billions of dollars right because for years people say wow could that be possible Well for billion for years and years now they have been receiving a Great deal of money conservative estimates from you know from from from Iranian regime Hamas gets maybe a quarter billion a year right Cutter It appears gives them even more than that there've been years when they've given about four hundred million dollars to Hamas For a variety of reasons right ostensibly and part of that money coming from cutter is is by agreement with Israel right because Part of it is for over the years the idea that you're buying quiet buying peace right and so yes And so there was a process in place to try to track that money right that came in just same with the Palestinian Authority from over in the West Bank But that's a lot of money right not to mention even the the money going to unwrap right and this is the same Situation with Ukraine too right.

1:11:28We don't really know where it all goes and some of it definitely goes in the pockets Yeah, yeah, there's a guy. Did you see that guy? Well, I forget what what his position is in Ukraine, but he's driving around in a Rolls Royce This fucking six hundred thousand dollar in he's driving around in a house. He's driving around a house He's got a roll a fucking Rolls Royce and he's got the only Rolls Royce in Ukraine this one whatever it is Yeah, is it a specter? Is that what it is a Phantom? Maybe it's a Phantom Well, you got I mean it's a fucking and so and that's been But isn't that crazy it's like the scene in good fellas.

1:12:06Yeah, where the guy has the Cadillac goes. Yeah, what the fuck are you doing this? Did I tell you didn't I tell you? That was a great scene. What a great scene. God um Yeah, it's You got a video that dude driving around in his Rolls Royce Before I before too far is it Um, I don't know that's Arba saying this is Go that's clean, but this is okay. You're Ukraine. No, no. This is a real recent one. Okay driving around But it might be fake too. That might be fake too. It all might be fake. Yeah Well, you Korean politician you crane politician Rolls Royce write that right in Google politician Crane Rolls Royce politician because this Mm -hmm videos good of videos.

1:12:54Oh I was news fake BBC news clip you crayon's XR is from a month ago. Yeah XR Me cheap paid to leave you cream now. That's on it. That's a different clip But this is but this is a good example, right? I mean you're you really got a dig right? Ukraine protesters discover luxury cars allegedly belonging to President Sun Okay, yeah Yeah, you look a bitch. Yeah, yeah 2014 when the fucking coup happened well Ukraine has always had brought corruption. Yeah, yeah But forget about this guy's position was but he was driving around. It's not Russell brand And some guys drive no idea Russell brand was Ukraine is this it Rolls Royce Spector.

1:13:35That's it Ukraine politician pay with us. You're looking as fucking car. Look at that car sweet. Look at that car That's it. That's the video bro. That's a house that guy's driving around a house. God damn it. Is he driving in himself? I wonder Of course he is. That's a bold move right there. Of course he is. It's a beautiful car You know how to fucking drive that car You stole that money hard work Well, and that's again, yeah, when you talk about like whether we're talking about money that goes to To the Palestinian cause and gets filtered through Hamas and that's they better never carve off billions of dollars for themselves They're living big lives and cutter and turkey, but Part of the problem with Ukraine has been you know in terms of Well, they've got they got big issues right one of them has been explaining why it's important to the American people right the The administration hasn't really accomplished that Yet right and trying to say why are we doing this right they should have been you see the way their flags in Congress Yeah, well the way the union flags.

1:14:38Yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah Well, no one explained it Explained here we go Yeah, but you remember the very beginning everybody had a Ukrainian flag on their right But they're housed to see it in congressman passing that aid bills. Oh, yeah, who handed those out. Yeah. Yeah, where'd you get those? Well exactly do you guys get those from home? Yeah, who's telling you who's telling you to wave those got them from Amazon This whole thing seems coordinated. You want to tell me about how this happened plus also Where's the money go that's the other big issue is the transparency and how are we spending this money?

1:15:07How are we spending your money? taxpayers money and Look, I fall down on the side of I don't want to see Putin win and he will win We know without Significant support that gets to the point where he feels so much pain. He actually negotiates a settlement Right, we're not going to get to a victory in this war. That's bullshit The idea that Ukraine is going to win the war and claim all their territory bullshit. It's not gonna happen You think they're gonna reclaim Crimea or Putin's gonna give that up right? He'll probably go to tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield before he does that And so you've got you've got to get but you've got to you got to hurt him enough So that he says oh fuck it.

1:15:43Okay, because if he's hurt enough that means at home He's facing some descent right and that's the big thing for him He doesn't you know, he just wants to hold on to power right? He wants two versions of what's going on I hear the war has already been won by Russia and Ukraine is down to like a minimum amount of soldiers They've lost half a million people rough estimates like no one really knows what the real estimates are Yeah, and then I've heard other stories where Ukraine is actually doing much better than people think and Russia Has hemorrhaged people because they're essentially just sending people in the front line.

1:16:18They send in prisoners They're and they're just using bodies to win this and that well both sides are are accurate both sides are true, right? So yeah, Ukraine is has been hurting they have a they have a what Russia's got a three to one manpower advantage in terms of population right what they can what they can do to recruit and put more people on the battlefield and Russia has a No problem with sort of a meat grinder strategy, right? Just throw bodies at it right just and the stats on fatalities on casualties on both sides are completely bullshit. There's no transparency really and you it's kind of understandable Why you don't want to tell the other side how many soldiers you've lost or injured um Zelensky came out a while back and said, you know, we've suffered 31 ,000, you know fatalities on the battlefield It's higher than that and and it's higher on the on the Russian side right because of their strategy in the way they just they You know Putin doesn't really care so we throws bodies at it um The Russians are making headway on the east right and they are making an effort to push through those front line defenses that Ukraine has up on the eastern side of Ukraine and You know the lack of armaments the lack of munitions while congress in the u .s couldn't figure out what they wanted to do That was a decided problem for Ukraine right if that continued then yeah Russia will win They will push through and they will eventually end up in Kiev and look puttons already engaged in in shenanigans in in moldova In Georgia, right?

1:17:49He's he's they're working very hard behind the scenes in Georgia right to To split Georgia away from the EU right and that's because they're worried that Georgia could eventually You know be part of the European Union and they don't want that and so they're engaged in all sorts of activity there Off the radar which they do very well, right? What does that mean? Well disinformation and political influence campaigns instilling personnel that are that are there's a party there in Georgia the Georgia dream party or something like that's that's pro -cremlin and They're pushing very hard on a variety of fronts right they're pushing a bill that's sort of like a foreign agent bill Which is it part of it's a Russian tactic right to Basically, you know a single out anybody who's got foreign influence or foreign involvement and that could be NGOs It could be media independent media And the Russians have used that foreign agent bill very successfully so Yeah, but but I get my point is that It depends on your on your thought process if you think that No, okay Putin takes Ukraine who gives a fuck right that's all that's all it's gonna happen He's not gonna try to reconstitute the former Soviet Union in some fashion by going after a couple other states Right he wants a buffer zone with the west, which is what the Soviet Union was right he wants to rebuild that in some fashion Not the same right but in some fashion so My experiences and other people are different and so that's why you end up with differing opinions and you know god bless But you know mine is that he's not gonna stop there so what my my belief is you got to hurt him enough Get him to the table and call it good and that good may look a lot like With the way things were you know and in 2022 when they started the invasion and that's gonna be unsatisfying to a lot of people But at least you end the fucking conflict right and and fine That's where but I think that's where this goes the idea that you know the only the only outright winner Will be Putin if we back off and say we're not gonna provide you with certain armaments certain weapons To allow you to inflict enough pain to stop this and it's this is a incredibly Complex and dynamic environment because the US is Is the White House the the Biden administration is pushing very hard on Zelensky to not Attack any targets inside of Russia right The Ukrainian military is like Well fuck it.

1:20:19Why aren't we attacking Russian oil refineries right and energy infrastructure Like the Russians are doing inside Ukraine. That's been a tactic of the Russian military for quite some time now right You just because it impacts morale of the population It demoralizes people So the Ukrainian military saying do that the White House is saying no, we don't want to escalate so don't do that Right now the other side of that coin is if you fuck over the Russian energy Infrastructure what does that do to oil prices around the world and what does it do to gas prices at the pump when you're in an election year And I want to I don't want to I don't be a conspiracy theorist But but then you got the Europeans and you know my crown is over there saying Well, you know if Kiev asks we you know I can see putting French troops on the ground in Ukraine You trying to distract from the fact that his wife's a man right Oh, I like that.

1:21:16No, it's yeah wildest one. Yeah, ever heard. Yeah The fact that Candace Owen is like I staked my reputation on this like are you fucking sure? Yeah Yeah, it's just where you want to go. Is this is this how you want to be known? I'm so confused by that one. Oh god. I've tried I've tried to look into that one I really haven't to my own embarrassment. I've looked into it. Yeah, my point is like This person this woman that he's married to even even Even Even if it's a man Yeah, the real problem is They had a relationship when McCron was 15 yeah, and she was 39 That by itself is wild yeah because if it was the opposite it was a 39 year old man who was a teacher and a 15 year old girl Was a student.

1:22:10Yeah, this would be horrific Everybody would be up in arms. Well, I the greatest line about that is What was his name? Berlusconi right the old Italian Prime Minister Someone asked him what he thought of of McCron's wife and he says well, he's got a good -looking mom, doesn't he?

1:22:32So anyway But very was this the guy? Well nice. I did a lot of Ukrainian MP. This is the story that came out was this was that okay? I bought this super dope he looks like a dude to be driving around a rollercoaster The story is he's super rich guy has a bunch of dope cars But I found the post on what nine gag which he's like oh you mean the dope cars They found the Venn number and the Venn number was is to a car from last year So I don't know that it makes maybe that makes sense that what do you mean? This is the plate the plate numbers to a car from last year and this story was saying that it's for a new like a brand new car It's the yeah, but those are hard to get the first electric Spector and yeah, yeah, but those are hard to get like you there's 20 20 23s that are for sale right now Like you don't it's like like when I got a If you go looking for one like I got a Nissan a GTR.

1:23:23I had to get a 2023 2020 for is weren't available right? Like when I got it so that could be yeah, you get a nismo So it's if you get one of those Rolls Roy spectrums those are fucking hard to get dude and a brand new one That's a 2023 with zero miles on it could be what you're buying new and I'll tell you one thing this guy could have You know he could have carved this money out Caroply from a variety of sources over the years, right? So this is a waste to make the money. Yeah, that's it Like it bitches with me car That's a really good accent. That's a very good accent. This is basically your house You know with the right this is multiple of your house with the right disguise you could warp the streets of of Ukraine I can be you Korean wrestler Give me call me flower ear Hey, well, go around like I mean a hunch like under the shoe the double Like here and a hunch Yeah I think that uh there's definitely a lot of corruption over there and did not have that yeah I'm sure you saw that one thing we're canna so one was going back and forth to the New York Times When they were saying what evidence do you have of Ukraine being corrupt?

1:24:31She's like oh you mean your fucking newspapers stupid Yeah, she said these these different articles about the rampant corruption in Ukraine. It's been I mean it's decades right and we've known that and yeah and and but anywhere you've got You know vast sums of money coming in for a variety of reasons which is again Well, I'm always astounded when people say oh there's no way that that the three top leaders of Hamas are you know worth $11 billion collectively. I like okay Well, even if it take a tenth of that and you think about these guys running Hamas which supposedly I mean they've been governing since what 2007 2006 supposedly for the benefit of the Palestinian people And they're sitting on billions of dollars and you think and so that's why you know Fuck Hamas and and I understand the Israeli perspective which is we can't allow them to retain control.

1:25:22I get that right. I understand that operational perspective right the problem is That You're you know you're you're not going to win the narrative you're not going to win What's happening on the international stage and that sometimes you know it is sometimes the Israeli government can act like they don't understand how Public relations plays out right. I mean this this like look at the past couple of days. What's happened? So Hamas wasn't going to accept the ceasefire Hamas has turned down Opportunities for a ceasefire right they just and The okay, and then they say okay the other day 48 hours ago whatever they said we're gonna walk away from the negotiating table.

1:26:00Fuck that right knowing Knowing that Israel is ready to do some you know limited operations in Rafa So because they're not stupid. They've got a very good intelligence network, right? And they've got a lot of and so they understand what Israel's about to do They say we're walking away from the negotiating table. Israel says okay fine everybody you know Evacuate Eastern Rafa, you know, we're gonna engage in some targeted strikes against Hamas targets that we've identified Um Hamas turns around Shortly after it says ah we accept a peace proposal a ceasefire proposal from Egypt and Qatar right so look at us We're accepting a ceasefire proposal and Israel's moving on Rafa right that's a You know on one hand that's a brilliant communication strategy right now you've won the day on the international stage And then exactly what they knew would happen just like what they knew would happen after the seven october strikes They knew what was gonna happen they knew that civilians were going to die right they understood that and and Again, everybody's got their own opinion minus Hamas doesn't give a shit about dead Palestinians in fact that's their currency That's how they that's how they work the game and so They understood what was going to happen Israel was in a bind they got a respond they're in an urban environment.

1:27:17It is Fucked up right and too many people have died right um I don't necessarily believe the Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry in terms of their statistics can also they don't separate out how many You know how many combatants were killed right they just like oh 34 ,000 people have died so people imagine Oh my god 34 ,000 civilians well Thousands and thousands of those people are fighters or Hamas fighters right Again, it's horrible. I'm not saying it's not. It's awful right and both sides have have or are problematic here But I what I am saying is Hamas as a much better communications public relations operation So they knew what israel was about to do they claim oh we accept the ceasefire the ceasefire was completely Different from what had been presented you know by israel and to israel right just during the past 48 hours They say no this this thing is not what we've been talking about we don't accept it So now they've moved in on rafa and they've lost yet again the narrative on the world stage So now it's now they're the ones who are causing problems Anyway, so it's it's kind of fun but again the point is it's also when all that money sloshing around Of course you're gonna have people who are benefiting from it and in this case it's it's people like you know Haaneh who you know can sit and cutter we know with with with all that money and What are they worried about they're worried about losing a revenue stream right they know that if Hamas is destroyed You think iran's gonna continue giving them a quarter billion dollars a year or cutters gonna allow them to live this lavish lifestyle and give them money Or they're gonna continue to be able to you know extract Taxes from money coming in or from goods coming into Gaza, you know or put tariffs on things coming in you know to the tunnels a Contraband no so in part it's this It never changes right where there's situations like this whether it's there whether you crane or wherever Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna get this right you're gonna get this level of corruption and so I'm not surprised at all when when people are worried about or concerned about what's going on with Ukraine and we give another 61 billion dollars and how much is that is ending up in pockets But I'd argue that that's part of the problem that the government the US government has faced they haven't Done their job.

1:29:32They haven't provided as much transparency as possible and accountability to the American public And so you lose the support of the American public who had been just two years ago Waving their fucking flags and putting Ukrainian flags on their Twitter sites and all the rest of that bullshit Yeah, anyway, what do you think happens to Gaza if you had a guess? Look this You can go back to the Romans right putting down you know a Jewish uprising in Judea which is Essentially Jerusalem area right West Bank, you know they call it the West Bank now and you know Israel is still called Judea Um Do I think the problem's gonna be solved no um In this short term with a conflict and Yes um, but then what happens all that area that's been destroyed I got to rebuild it right and that's and who rebuilds well they've been they've been trying to Put together an Arab states coalition right of of countries that would then be responsible for a couple of things the rebuilding of the infrastructure and also security right because Again, no ceasefire no permanent ceasefire is going to be accepted that allows hummus to be the governing authority there right so the US has been pushing very hard To have the Palestinian authority right run by Mahmoud Abbas who's been in charge of the Palestinian Authority for god 20 years now And he's not popular in in Gaza right they were kicked out.

1:31:02I mean they were well there's a There's been a rift with the Palestinian groups factions for some time you go back to When was a PLO PLO was PLO was started in like the early 70s right Uh, Yasser Erfat remember him looked a lot like Ringo star and they would never photograph together So I still think there's something there. I was gonna investigate that on the like season of black files, you know small mustache Yeah Yeah, it's cost him a lot of like Yeah, I would be able to tell if they were in a room together. Yeah, but they never were this my point Well, I would he be Fuck you doing hanging out of Yasser Erfat.

1:31:43Well, Erfat was a he was he loved music um who doesn't he doesn't got the Beatles We're great, but anyway, um so Yasser Erfat PLO gets put together see what I'm talking about Yeah, but his nose ringo's nose is clear. He's more Arab. He looks more like Yasser Erfat than Yasser Erfat does Doesn't he? Maybe we're on something. I mean come on dog. This is what it but you see what I'm talking about look look pretty fucking similar You changed the sunglasses. Yeah, just yes little CIA disguise, but Yasser could not play the drums the way ringo Play the drums play dumb maybe you didn't want to throw everybody off two of my boys The oldest scooter in the youngest mugs.

1:32:24They play drums. They played drums for a long time. They're very good both of them um mugs in particular loves the Beatles right and and he'll tell you He said ringo is completely underrated as a drummer right? I'm and you know not in the drumming world. They all know he's great, but in the music world He's kind of underrated period is an important part of the Beatles I never understood why they decide that guy sucks. Yeah. Yeah He's rid of the Beatles come on fuck's wrong with you. He married Barbara Bach. What do you want? Yeah? Oh well Yeah, he did well She's not like the Catherine Bach is she?

1:32:56Do I sound like an idiot if I say who's Catherine Bach from the Duke's hazard? Daisy Duke dude. That was Catherine Bach. Yeah See grow she's she knows fuck I know the sun sun. What was the other guy? What was it? There was like cuder Cuder and skater and blue carry bow and Luke Duke And then there was Roscoe Pete Coltrane. Hmm. He was the sheriff. Yeah, remember him. Yeah Roscoe Pete Coltrane, but there was then there was Cuder and the garage. Damn it. I knew there was a Cuder and then there was a boss hog That's right Got it. Oh my god. It was the man. They don't make TV like that anymore. No No, you can't even show that show anymore because the Confederate flag on the roof of the general league They have to blow that out.

1:33:38Yeah, they blew it out. No. Yeah. No, you're right. Do they handle that with did this? CGI that now so you can still watch that show Because I there's car shows that what they do. Yeah, I think so because there's car shows where you can't go If you got a general league because if you have a real like they used to do the O1 on a side. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See Okay, that's what it used to. Yeah, that's right. Amazon considers pulling Duke's a hazard from video because of the Confederate flag But didn't they didn't they CGI out the Confederate flag for the show CGI out Confederate flag Yeah, remove flag.

1:34:17Yeah Google remove flag remove flag Consumer products divisions decide is cease licensing replicas of Duke's a hazard generally Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, remove the flag Warner Brothers announces removal of Confederate flag from the Duke's a hazard Okay, we're removing it. Oh from all merchandise. Okay, not on the show not on the old video Yeah up until eight years ago they sold Confederate flags You know what they could do is they could they could if they want to renew the license on that thing they just put an LGBTQ plus whatever flag on top of there It is kind of TV land polls dukes a hazard amid the Confederate flag I heard that they were gonna put it back up and CGI the flag off.

1:35:01I like the people Apparently have enough time on the hands of worry about this shit. I think you're like you know what? Defends me. Let's just fucking generally. It's kind of bizarre how they didn't think that was offensive in the 80s right? Right. There's a lot of shows you couldn't remember Starsky and Hutch remember Huggy Bear the the I think he was a pimp on on Starsky and Hutch you couldn't get away with that shit anymore. That's right. So So anyway Moving back to the PLL Yeah So back then Part of the part of the rift between the Palestinian Authority and And Hamas is Hamas was it came out of the first info stop in Tafada in like 80 whatever 87 But they took exception with yes or effect because he Basically denounced violence right as a way to attain you know the Palestinian objectives and goals and everything He was like okay, and he you know remember he was he was involved in signing some peace of chords midridden Oslo chords and everything So so Hamas you know in their charter basically is like no she had is the way to go Violence is the way that we're going to or you know It's liberation not negotiation they have all these things in their charter right about this and so anyway So there's but there have been problems and and eventually they had an election in In what the hell what year was it 2006?

1:36:24I think in Gaza right and Fatah Yasser Afrat's party the PLO party Um was up and was expected to win didn't win Hamas won Uh and during the course of the next year they actually got into a war right between Hamas and and PLO or Palestinian Authority and Hamas booted him out so they they govern so when you think about Palestine or the Palestinian You know state or whatever it is you've actually got two completely separate entities you've got Gaza run by Uh Hamas and you've got the West Bank right run by Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority so is the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank?

1:37:04Are they popular there? Uh, yeah that popular enough. Yeah, yeah, they're they're they're popular. They continue to to govern right they continue to be in charge And so is placed is really objective that the Palestinian Authority control all of Palestine? No, they don't see that's that's where it comes in the US Secretary Blankin and others have been pushing this idea that somehow the Palestinian Authority will will be the governing body and in Gaza um and You know, Gaza and look they don't they don't necessarily you know they don't want that And he's actually less popular Mahmoud Abbas is less popular now than he was even before the seven october attacks And Israel saying no Look you know Abbas and and the Palestinian Authority they haven't even denounced the attacks of seven october right we don't we don't want them It's it's like in their mind.

1:37:52It's almost like just trading one for the other right if they're the governing authority So I think when you say what it's gonna look like and you know, it's probably gonna be and and Israel said we don't want to occupy this shit They stopped occupying Gaza in 2005 right they were like You know done now they still control the border and they they control the coastline right Uh, and the one crossing those basically two crossings there Carrem Shalom crossing uh with Israel and in Gaza and there's a rafa crossing um But you know they're saying no we don't want them governing So it it could end up looking like a some type of UN Arab states type of coalition right that then is there and they're responsible for security of Gaza And they're responsible for you know, they're the rebuilding effort um But He has a long ways to go right to get there So the so Israel is not trying to take over Gaza.

1:38:48They don't want it Yeah, they got look you have to go by leveled it They kind of leveled it. Yeah, they I mean they's look and and people cry genocide You know, they're saying genocide you can debate the you know the meaning of genocide But typically and in terms of of academia and you know and people that talk about these things You know you've got war crimes you got crimes against humanity You've got genocide and they all mean different things right um Israel wants to destroy Hamas right there you have to ask yourself is there intent to destroy all Palestinian people as a group to just Get rid of them is it like what they tried to do with the Armenians all those years ago or You know the German effort against the the Jews.

1:39:30I mean is that what they intend to get to make this group disappear or is there intent to Destroy Hamas a terrorist organization Um that You know has been attacking them and continues to attack them and it's in their charter because it's in the Iranian regime's Objective and in their mind is to remove Israel you could argue what Iranian regime wants to do is genocide Right they want to remove Israel right that's pretty much the definition of genocide So again, it depends on how you but there's a little disproportionate amount of military power Uh Well, yes All again Between the two of course. Yeah.

1:40:06Yeah, and But you have to say okay Are we are we lumping Hamas into the the Iranian proxy network? They built a belt of terrorist organizations right whether it's a Islamic jihad Palestinian Islamic jihad or Hamas or the Houthis or the Khazbalah of north they've created this network of proxies Designed with the objective of removing Israel at some point right because that's a stated purpose of the Iranian regime They you know they want the destruction of Israel. So You know you could argue well look all that together That's the military power or is it justice one group now? You know in a in a in a in a confined sense.

1:40:46Yes, of course Israel's got far more military power than Hamas as an organization right Um and again, it doesn't You know you it's not it's it's not one thing or the other it's horrible what the Palestinian civilians go through and have been going through You could also argue that Hamas knows exactly what they were going to go through when they when they instituted they were they instigated the attacks They did get support and training from the Iranian regime so the Iranian regime knew what was going to happen right So what do you think the state what is the purpose of the attacks the attacks are not just to kill those 1200 people no It's not no you're absolutely right and it and and part of it is tied to The desire to scuttle the Abraham Accords and the potential normalization of of Relations between Saudis and Israel that really worries them right and it's more Hanyah right Came out ahead of the political wing of Hamas came out after the attacks and talked about this And said glorified the attacks and also said that look this you know people our Arab brothers our Arab states Should realize that Israel is not um, you know is is not You will have no peace basically with negotiations and with relationships So he was clear in the way that he put it that You know he was sending a message to the Arab states about this idea of normalizing relations with Israel So That was part of it part of the desire was to was to tank those discussions which were Pretty well underway right and now are back again right they they they kind of took them off the table for a while but the Saudis and in the US have been having some Pretty good discussions recently over the normalization of all of this right and I think it's in the Arab states You know look Bachrain and and Morocco and others All understand too that long -term stability Down the road is going to come from normalization of relationships and some long -term ability to have peace Um, which is part of the problem.

1:43:00They don't want You know, they That's why they don't take Palestinian you know um They're worried about the the Palestinian refugees right You say well, why doesn't Egypt so hold one of the crossing and set up a refugee camp across the way from the Rafah crossing Well in part because they're worried about their own security Egypt's been building a big wall. They've been adding to their wall down along their border with Gaza Strip so You know, there's it look they they formed the PLO Egypt was in charge of the PLO all those years ago back in the early 70s right You know, they were essentially the leaders they put in place and in the PLO all those years ago Basically just puppets for Egypt right and part of the reason why they were putting those people in place was because they wanted to minimize Sort of the radical Islamic extremist actions right and the acts that they took against Israel because they wanted stability They did the the families down there right whether it's cutter or the Saudis or the Egyptians or whatever They're just as worried about radical Islam right and the potential for them to lose control and to lose power As are the Israelis and others in a sense right and that's necessarily from the physical sense But they've attacked you know our families before or leaders before so It's a complex problem.

1:44:12I guess what I'm saying is there's a lot of Moving parts here and sometimes it all just gets You know thrown into one simple -minded argument right it's good or it's bad Israel's committing genocide You know, you know Palestinian people are terrible. No, it's there's so much fucking more to this so Again, you know, I don't know that there's any solution that that will be long long term committed peace in the region in our lifetime But in the short term, I think you know the conflict when it's wrapped up I don't see how it ends with Hamas still being in control of Gaza. I don't I think that's a red line for The Israeli government now maybe Netanyahu doesn't last as the leader of of the government and somebody like Benny Gantz takes over And they're more inclined to say now, you know what just for the sake of some peace right now You know, it's just call it quits, but do you think that's possible?

1:45:08It yeah, it could happen. He's got netanyahu has got a lot of internal Issues political issues right so But I think well that's something that we talked about before the people protesting on the street for months hundreds of thousands of people protesting on the streets About Netanyahu expanding power yeah with their courts Yeah, and I and I think that if there's Look if there's a changing government Finally do what they're gonna do. I just I just think that You know from an operational perspective And it's just operation. I'm not talking about the moral the ethics of the whole thing of people dying on this I'm just saying from an operational perspective Leaving Hamas in place isn't gonna create any Even midterm peace is it possible for them to get Hamas out It is possible to do what they're doing just bomb the shit out of everything well They do a lot of targeted strikes and they do a lot of yeah, there's there's it's look.

1:46:06It's it's fucking Ugly right there's no you can't you can't show code any of this and say well They're just I so when I say target it strikes. I'm not saying it's all very surgical and people aren't getting out No, of course people are dying But and you're not gonna remove them you can't get down to zero some here right it's like it's like counterterrorism You never reduce the risk down to zero. So when you're talking about Hamas You can't destroy them in the in the concept of saying You know, they're all dead right because the leaders are stuff like I said they're fat and happy sitting in cutter and turkey and That's where they're hiding.

1:46:38They're not even hiding right they're guests This is how fucked up some of these middle east problems are they're guests of the Katari government right they and we know they're there And so did they go there when the conflict started? No, oh no no no these guys have been you know living abroad for years Right they've been living abroad for years and then and in part because look Hamas runs a network of businesses and charitable organizations just like Hasbalad does Hasbalad's got a global presence right so but they They're they're sitting over there in a country that is also one of our key Non -nado allies right so we have our largest middle east base there, you know um in cutter and You know, so it's only just recently and I recently is like the past week or so where the US is is is broached the idea of say look if Hamas doesn't accept a ceasefire Right then the Katari government needs to move these people out they need to expel them right and Whether the Katari government would do that or not because they're playing all sides right the Katari government does you know They've hosted the Taliban they've hosted ISIS leaders Uh nice partisan great The canopies are delicious That's it's a lovely it's a lovely time in the conversation Um, and so you know at the so it's it is I'm just trying to paint the picture that it's more complicated than somebody sitting on a campus and UCLA might imagine right right and and and to your point it deserves more debate it deserves more intellectual Open conversation right not necessarily when you talk about who's right and who's wrong How about?

1:48:21Focus on how do we fucking solve the problem right if if and the problem is maybe intractable If the problems are two -state solution then maybe you know this thing is just never never gonna work because you know Maybe two -state solutions the best idea But if one side of the other is not going to accept it and both sides have pushed back against it at various times Then you know, what do you got where where's it going? The thing is like most people never get to hear this Wide -ranging perspective like you just laid out with all the different factors. I'm sure there's more factors Yeah, but all the different You know significant pieces that are in play here Yeah, and I think that's but you the same thing happens with every major issue right because Again, if you turn on the news um You get a three -minute piece of news about a major crisis happening right like the Ukraine the conflict and whatever so and You know not everybody wants to sit and and listen you know to to details about like an israel and homo sir wants a Ukraine and or you know Whatever on's doing with their nuclear weapons program or whatever but um You know, we we tend to We we tend to have ADHD, right as a nation I think and so again people are busy people are just focused on other things but it deserves more Conversation it deserves more detail and Not the bullshit that gets thrown out there from one side or the other right sort of the hard edges, right and or The shit that comes in from outside elements like the Chinese the Russians the Iranians who don't have our best interests at heart right and You know so again, we keep going back to the same thing if people aren't curious and they don't take the fucking responsibility upon themselves To understand what it is that they're listening to is it is it verifiable is incredible Whatever get a balance of of news don't just sit and get in Masala and listen to shit because you agree with it Mm -hmm have a conversation with somebody who disagrees with it.

1:50:26It's very interesting. Yeah, yeah So it's very valuable too if you could if you have the ability to just let someone talk And engage them and not get upset and angry Just why do you think that what do you think about this and just have a round I mean that used to be Of an admirable trait Well, I think that's why you're blowing smoke up your ass, but that's why I think this your show works Right is because you have conversations and you piss people off Because I think sometimes people have a hard time putting you in a box, right and that makes people uncomfortable if they think You know, okay, I know where he's coming from and then you have a conversation where you're listening to something completely on the other side Right, and you're not just saying well fuck you that's wrong.

1:51:08You're saying well. Why is that right and you're having people explain things That can piss people off right because Everybody wants to to to to identify make a quick judgment and say I move on yeah And judging is a lot easier than thinking it is a lot easier. It's super simple It's very fucking thinking is fucking complicated especially when you're dealing with layers upon layers decades and generations of conflict Like like you are in gauze and palestine Yeah, Israel it's nuts Yeah, I don't know where it's gonna. I mean again, I think um, I think The the US is in a interesting position. They're not the key mediator here, right?

1:51:52They're not the you know They can exert pressure on on Israel to some degree But Israel's been very clear and said look we're gonna this is existential for us, right? If the shoe was on the afoot if it was the US It was facing this sort of threat right if we were talking about Mexico right Our Canada Canada is a threat But Canada is too close. Yeah, at least Mexicans speak Spanish. We could see easier this. That's that Is that makes us uniquely different? Yeah, meanwhile, that's way more Mexicans over here than our Canadians Right, I don't know I don't know if I trust the Canadians I think they're coming across the border at night when we don't see them.

1:52:27I think they're in a cult. Yeah, yeah That fucking true. Oh In a cult. Yeah, the fact that they voted that guy and again is mind blowing. Yeah like how what are you fucking paying attention Your your country's literally falling apart and you guys are so wrapped up in one eye ideology or another you don't course correct Yeah, you know, it's like if Newsom was the governor God not just the governor of California, but the he's the president He's running the same policies on our country. Yeah, I don't know He was he was thrown out there as I was like I mean now that yeah They moved off of Pete Buttigieg and some others, but now he's he's still a winner bootage edges incompetent Unwinnable well, you could argue that Newsom also was incompetent But that's slick fucker, you know, I think they were trying him for a little while But then they decided to just run it with Biden again, which is just absolutely wild Absolutely wild.

1:53:17Well, I was pretty convinced that this was gonna be the month. They're gonna remove Biden I was like, yeah, I was like I think may I talked to Tim Dillon about it He put that idea in my head. Yeah, and I think I was like, you know what that totally makes sense may seems like it makes sense Because if you're gonna really get a new guy in place if you know Biden is like you guys. I got a problem Is the thing to be here on the sidelines? I'm gonna work really close with governor Newsom And I think More years pause pause That was actually brilliant. It's it's fucking crazy. It's fucking crazy that these people are gaslighting us But they can't they can't move him out right if they move him out they got to move Kamala Harris out Right or they've got to elevate her to the top of the ticket, which is nuts.

1:54:01That's not gonna happen Well, no one's you you have to be the nuttyest fucking Democrat and I know a few I know this one nutty Democrat that I'm I guess I can't friends or I see him. I'll say hi But this this motherfucker's a Kamala Harris fan, you know, thank you madam vice president like he's one of those How do you get to that point? How do you you're retarded? Yeah, I just completely get it in There's no critical thinking at all and you're just fucking blue no matter who yeah, you you ride or die Well, that's what I mean I I assume that they've looked at the scenarios and they thought to themselves We can't have Biden step down and put somebody else at the top of the ticket So we've got to clear the ticket entirely right because we can't run Kamala Harris as as the presidential candidate So and we certainly can't bring in Newsom a white dude, you know to run the top of the ticket and keep her in place right?

1:54:49That's right not not that they're also she's just not valuable in that spot she doesn't gain you She doesn't get confidence that we'll have a great vice president if he kicks the bucket and bro How are they keeping him a lot? Yeah, what are they giving him and where do I get it? Well, she'll be she'll be president yet What do I get? He's on yeah I want to try as an able -bodied man of Complete control of my cognitive functions. I'd like to know what that fucking cocktails like I was gonna say the cocktail that they gave him before the state of the union Yeah, whatever they gave him then yeah, right that fired him up just long enough to make it through long enough boy He must have slept for a week after I bet god.

1:55:29I bet it's some high -dose stuff whatever it is and I bet it feels great Yeah, yeah, in the moment and then I take this this probably it's probably a come down. Oh, but yeah, but no I so yeah, so she She'll be president. This is my theory. I know I've lost bet with you before on on Trump but I I worry that Look, I you know, I think You know the Republicans can't really go after Biden's age completely only because Trump is what 78 right But he's not as comfortable as compromise right and then that's and that's absolutely true But I just I think that what's gonna happen is that You you have to have a perfect storm for Trump to win in terms of the independence, right and suburban moms and you have to have enough people come back into the tent right to vote for him and I just I don't know that I have enough confidence that's gonna happen So we end up with president Biden and Harris again, which means we will have president Harris I hate to say that right you know you know you wish well on everybody right good health and all that Yeah, but come on come on Please me kidding me.

1:56:40I'm all it's not gonna two years into this in this next 10 years President Trump ahead in a lot of polls in two states he is but I you know again I don't I don't know that I make you know bank on on polls Nowadays, I think it's Yeah, this is gonna sound like I'm I'm going off topic, but um after the seven october attacks and in Gaza I think that the survey was done in maybe January and February time frame they released it in March So a Palestinian research center based in Where Ramallah I think in in Gaza I forget where it was, but anyway, um they ran a survey And according to this poll that they did of of residents of Gaza over 70 % supported Hamas's seven october attacks right 70 % over 70 % supported Hamas's attacks It was a minuscule amount that thought that Hamas was responsible for their troubles, right?

1:57:41It's like that's like less than 10 % I think they thought that that that Hamas was responsible for all the chaos now happening Right despite the fact of what they did, but they supported what they did according to the poll now You you peel that back and you think to yourself. Okay. Well, first of all The survey was done in in Gaza. So somebody knocks on your door and says do you support Hamas's Actions on seven october what the fuck do you think I'm gonna say right? Of course I'm gonna say yes All right, it's kind of like if you walk up to somebody in in in San Francisco on this in a crowded street and say do you do you support president Trump No, you know, so I don't know that people are particularly honest right at times in in surveys and polls especially in this These are in these circumstances, but but you're right most surveys most polls show them, uh, you know some points ahead And you know don't get me wrong.

1:58:28I had you know, I'd love to see less regulation You know, we got all sorts of problems on the economic front and you know One thing we could be doing as as a government is is peeling back some of the regulatory environment that's fucking us over right in a lot of ways Not just the economy, but it impacts our national security down the road, right how much When you hear about shenanigans when it comes to voting when it here when you hear about like Particularly corruption involved with mail -in ballots. It seems to be a sticking issue with people. Yeah How much of a security issue is that like the mail -in ballots thing?

1:59:03Yeah, look and if there's an opportunity for fraud or chaos Some people somewhere, you know whether Democrats or Republicans or whatever if there's if there's a fraud opportunity There will be an element that will try to play off of that right especially if they think that it's imperative that this happened for this Future of democracy future of democracy. It's oh my god. I'm saving the country. Yeah, despite what I'm doing So yeah, that's what we're doing being very un -American right exactly So voter corruption so I don't I don't have any insight or insight information about you know to what degree There's a problem with with with mail -in ballots and voter fraud To me I tend to be a little more simplistic.

1:59:44I remember a lot of elections where you just show up You show your ID you fill out the form and then by that evening You found out who won right it didn't seem to be that complicated right and now and nobody seemed really disenfranchised right? So I would like to see us just go back to the normal way of voting right and Do we vote on it like yeah? How does people how do people decide whether or not mail -in ballots? Appropriate that because the reason why they were there in the first place was covid right right but now that it's there And it's set up. Yeah now. There's this resistance to get rid of mail -in ballots But if that is the thing that keeps us closer to corruption and it seems to be that's the thing that's an element that you can Fuck with right and you and you do this all the time and in In the business environment or whatever you you look at your protocols in place you remove You know lack of controls where you know fraud could see in right?

2:00:42It's a common thing you don't it's it shouldn't be shouldn't be difficult But so then you have to look at it with some skepticism right? Are you genuinely concerned that you know? Somehow there were vast swathes of the population that were disenfranchised and not able to vote right or just can't get themselves an ID Right which I think is an insulting Stance to take for a lot of people you're not you're not I'm sorry You're not smart enough to get yourself an ID, but you need one if you have a vaccine. Yeah, but you need one if you have a vaccine Or you need work yeah or from Sanus Club yourself.

2:01:15Yeah, you need one But you don't need one to vote because this you know that's racist so yeah exactly something So I think you know to me it just seems like we should look at it from From a perspective of the way that you would do it if you were running a business Which is I want to minimize the potential opportunities for fraud. How do I do that? It's very fucking simple seems fucking simple Yeah, you can phrase it that way. Yeah, so but they that's not how it's not how they're how they're doing it right now And is that something that can be voted on that's the question I like who no I do decide leave it up to the people You mean well who decides that mail in balance?

2:01:51There's still legitimate Well, I guess I was at a a federal or a state decision. I think as I don't know that's a very good question Yeah, I who knows cuz I have friends that believe there was no voter fraud at all and I have friends that believe that 100 % Trump won Yeah, yeah, I'm the same way. I've got both sides and you think okay. Well look So long as we're wrong well, and usually the answer is somewhere In in you know in that range in the middle there's some fraud was it enough to like fuck things over I who knows I don't know it's it's but again, I keep going back to the operational concerns Which is just just minimize the potential for fraud mail in ballots have always been mail in ballots have been a thing right?

2:02:33You're serving overseas or whatever But there was a protocol for it and it was very straightforward and very clear and now you know the the the concern over ballot harvesting and and mail in ballots and having You know months to get you say having you know weeks past before you know who won Craig yeah talk about instilling you know skepticism over the credibility of your voting system. Yeah, take take weeks to figure out who won a fucking election Is there a real danger that Trump could win But lose Meaning that he could win the election but lose this court case. Oh, and literally have to go to jail while he's the president I mean yeah, this was the topic of discussion at the Rogan House today was it well Hey, we're trying to figure out like because yeah, he could he could he could there's nothing that says he can't Governing from jail So fuck him and jail is he in danger of actually being put in a jail for these crimes of Not what did he do exactly?

2:03:38He paid a lady off and And I guess he did it in a secretive way or in a well He did it the same way that Arnold Schwarzenegger did it or they did it in the same way that a variety of people who are trying to suppress a bad PR story do it right? so I think the I think the trial that's going on right now involving stormy Daniels in New York Was the least favorite trial of the Democrats or the most keen to see him put in prison right? They all felt as if this is probably not the one to start with but they started with because Alvin Bragg was dead set on doing it right? He just like I'm gonna throw this out there and You know a variety of other Entities had looked at that case and said we're not gonna push it forward and so they put this forward I don't think there's anybody other than the hardcore Never -Trumpers the people that are just desperate to see him in a in a jumpsuit Who believe that there's any merit to it at the analysts that you watch Across the board even the the hard left ones they tend to speak in caveats right like You know, they're not completely convinced that this was the way to go So I don't know but having said that If he gets convicted and if there's like some You gotta go to prison Sounds so fucking bizarre.

2:05:00How do we get to this point then uh, I don't know of any any you know Is it generally as he can't you know continue to run or be you know elected? Is the what he's being accused of is this generally a crime that people actually have to go to jail for no No, they're not about the jail for that no they're trying to tie this in to To sort of the campaign Uh issue of campaign funds Uh Influencing of the campaign. That's what they're trying to they're trying to tie it into well of course He's trying to suppress a story right that he thought would be bad or that they thought his team thought would be bad Uh for a campaign right but that in and of itself so they got to tie it into how the funds were expended They've tried this in the past um and again, it's not like there haven't been countless dudes who You know did the mess around and then had to pay to get the story suppressed right?

2:05:57I mean that's that There are PR firms that specialize in that sort of thing so I don't know I don't see that this is gonna I don't see this is gonna tank him right there's probably other cases out there. Is it a case where yeah There's probably more cases right waiting they're gonna keep throwing it out. Yeah, they've got a timeline of cases And look this you know the democratic strategists have been you know they stick to a message. They're very smart and they very Disciplined but they all sat in a room somewhere and they looked at these various thing They looked at the election calendar and they looked at you know where the primaries are and they looked at when they could maybe get these trials going And the idea being let's just keep this thing rolling keep him in the news as being in a court right the idea that he Yeah, I'd look the idea that he's got to sit there Um and can't leave You don't see that you know, that's not a typical move right but now he's locked into that court on whatever Monday, Tuesday and Thursday Whatever so with the idea being he's not out on the campaign trail right so But he's also in the news and his supporters think that he's being unduly prosecuted or unfairly prosecuted right And then it's a political prosecution And then all they're trying to do which is essentially un -american is Suppressed suppress their political rival right and that is a large Uh, number of people in the country a larger number every day.

2:07:16I think this is goes on of the gain more of an understanding of this case like the problem is if you're a democrat and you support this If he does get in power now he has this ability you have to understand there's a precedent's been set Yeah, and if you don't think that Biden has a shitload of things So let's say Biden loses, okay, let's get really crazy Let's get really really really crazy Biden loses they inject him with stem cells for three years And then they roll him out in 2027 like let's do it again One the second term we saw disasters as a versus that was And they say you know what he's been sharper than ever and yeah these New York liberals who just gaslight the shit out of you.

2:08:03I saw that video. I'll tell you. I'm pumped He's sharp as a tack. He's never been better sure. He's old, but that's his superpower His work ethic his work ethic looks fantastic He is so kind. He's such a good man. He's the father of our country. Well, I read I wrote lucky I read an ex post by admittedly a guy that works For a consulting firm in DC right? He's a democratic strategist, but he wrote this glowing thing about how Biden's had his great couple of weeks man as he had a good couple of weeks on fire. Yeah, he's on fire Look what he's done in the Middle East right and you think like one more years Well, you could argue that part of our problem was we coddled the Iranian regime for three years And that's how things got to this stage and now and now what and suddenly he's had a good couple of weeks He's not they're not leading the charge on any ceasefire negotiations, right there In fact, you could argue that they're making National security decisions related to Israel based on domestic policy concerns or political concerns, right?

2:09:02You don't want to lose the youth vote. You don't want to lose the Arab American vote by being overly supportive of Israel So there is some concern here, but isn't that losing the Jewish vote then Because Jewish we talked about the gesture. Yeah, 70 % of Jewish people Identify or vote as Democrats. Yeah, I know and what's that all about? I'm not I've never been quite clear on how That that number worked right and so yeah, it is interesting But but anyway, I you know, I don't want to say that you know They're making too many decisions based on domestic political concerns, but I think that they are That's just the nature of the game, right?

2:09:37And so I don't think I'm being overly cynical But um yeah, what I was getting to was that if Biden did we went crazy in They got him on stem cells and they put him in a hyperbaric chamber every day for four hours and he sharp as a tiger Taxes look at him knife He's sharper than his uncle Bozy was imagine if Trump goes after him because there's a lot to go after If if they started uncovering the emails and the the barisma stuff and the fact that he said he'd never talk Any of his sons business partners, but But 100 Biden's former partner said they they at least 20 phone calls The fact that he allegedly used a pseudonym when he was exchanging emails all that's nuts.

2:10:24Yeah, all that is nuts Well if that if that was the case if now Trump gets to go after him This is now what we're dealing with insanity now. We're dealing with every time someone is president They have the power to prosecute their political rivals for unnecessary means which is the whole argument of immunity Yeah, the thing that should be a thing that decides whether or not a guy gets to run for president No, it's a that's a very fourth world thing right and I probably get in trouble for saying fourth world people Oh my god. How can you denigrate the fourth world? Well, it's against Are we fourth?

2:10:59Oh, we're heading in that direction. I don't know Oh I'm not sure where we stand We have those first world we're not that's scary recalibrate Maybe there are no first worlds anymore, but you find out I mean we found that the one percent of the world is 34 thousand dollars a year that when you hear that you go oh That's why they're walking over here. That's why this is all yeah. That's why it's all nuts Yeah, like yeah, like this is first world is crazy as it is. This really is first world. Yeah Well look, I know I that's been most of my life overseas and I met a lot of people in some very bizarre environments and some sort of remote areas and They all had this idea, you know get to America Work hard and you'll you could do who knows what right so it's still and it still continues to be a very dynamic and you know driving Element of you know of people overseas I think we forget that sometimes right and certainly you know you could look at the campus protests and go to you well Okay, maybe maybe you know the youth of today, but that's not true either right because we can fall into that trap and say well Fucking youth of today don't understand how you know great they have it and everything Every generation has said that about their kids well not only that if you look at every generation has had that about their kids for sure But if you looked at this this population of college kids And you could Remove these kids from their friends and with total immunity and at total anonymity Get their real opinions on all this stuff.

2:12:35I guarantee you there's a lot of kids they say Some of this is so crazy and you can't have opposing opinions and we just sort of accept it and we move on and it's what percentage of the kids are out there tense Intense what percentage of the kids are out there blocking the roads and protesting. I bet it's a small percentage It's a very small society. Yeah, and then there's a lot of people that go there that probably don't even go to that school right right Well, I mean if you look at that's a rest statistics so far right you know what say It's not you know completely accurate about 2400 arrests right campuses across the country um and the statistics are starting to show that you know upwards of half of those arrests Those people have no affiliation with the university then i college students right they're outside either agitators activists However, you want to refer to them right um So yeah, I agree with it.

2:13:32It's not we're not talking about a lot um and again, I would argue that you know from the outside activist perspective Again, whether it's you know students for justice and Palestine or or you know The other groups that are involved They look at the students themselves is just window dressing and again sort of useful idiots But I will tell you one thing is You can get cynical sometimes about the the state of You know the youth however you want to call it the youths um But then I took uh, I took my oldest boy uh scooter for his candidate visit at the u .s. Naval Academy a couple weeks ago That is a way to Strengthen or reaffirm your belief in in where we are as a country right when you see The kids that are there Holy fuck right and I probably shouldn't say that when I'm describing all the kids there, but what great kids right They're still out there.

2:14:27They're still out there. That's the point. Yeah, there's a lot of them. There's a lot of them We're saying earlier like you know, oh the generation before I think this is the best generation It's just there's so many morons yeah, but in terms of just yeah The sheer number of people that aren't It'll surprise you. There's a there's a lot of great people in this country Yeah, and we have our problems and we're gonna always have problems But that one of the ways we find solutions is by having problems And that's one of the ways who come to understandings and the the people that are trying to stop you from discussing this That's the real problem the problem is not disagreement folks the problem is people trying to stop people from discussing Very important subjects and that is look Fuck an all -hale Elon Musk is that motherfucker stepped in spent 44 billion dollars and shifted the entire The whole like the environment of social media is very different because X is the Wild West Yeah, it's very different everywhere Everything has to kind of relax just to kind of keep up with it because the the whole power dynamic the whole Belkurve a shifted and now you got this one dude is like I don't give a fuck.

2:15:41I'm gonna post ridiculous memes I'm gonna talk shit I'm gonna say funny things and remember where he was a darling of the left. Oh my god now he's Nazi now it's crazy He's the worst. He's one of his cars was like a virtue badge Like my friend made fun of me because I had a Tesla. I was like dude. I don't give a fuck what you say if you get in this car You'll change your mind remember that South Park episode with a Prius I don't think you there was a whole Episode about You know I have people of South Park buying Prius isn't feeling incredibly super self -right. It was fantastic It's almost as good as there they're they're smacking it in San Diego It is a thing in California.

2:16:21It is a real thing that some of my liberal friends That I know what you're doing you fucks. You're waving a flag. That's not even a good car. You don't even like the way it looks Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I had to hear with that fucking stupid thing But now he's now yeah, you're right now. He's now he's a Nazi and see but the Tesla thing made sense to me I'm like okay when you drive one of those things You get both things you get to feel like you're better because I'm out here doing something amazing for the environment And then also you get a fucking time machine that thing moves like a time machine It doesn't even seem real how fast those things are did I tell you did I tell you when I rented a I ended up with a Tesla I think I might I don't know if I told you about that when I show up at a rental car place And then I forget even what town I was in and I hadn't asked for an EV right but I guess now they're kind of like they're pushing out Yeah, so the guy says oh, we you know, we got a Tesla for you.

2:17:14I said okay, fine. So he hands me He hands me the card right that little card So like all right, so he's out there and whatever space 428 So I wander out there and I stand it and it's locked right so now I'm standing there thinking well, I don't have a fucking key I don't have a clue how to open this thing right so a guy walks by and he goes I just tapped the the card on the on the car So I'm out there like tapping Tap in the fucking cover the door handle. I'm tapping it all over No, he didn't tell me a little little panel right there tap it on that so I'm tapping the fucking car I look like a monkey fucking a football and I'm just like Damn and so finally finally guy the guy walks over and he goes what are you doing?

2:17:56I said I'm trying to open the car So he goes oh, it says he taps it car opens I go to the air say thanks very much man and he walks away You know how he did it did you pay attention? Well, I watched him. He just hit that one spot on the on the little panel there by the book And so I was like okay got it so I sat down in the car now. I don't have a clue how to start the fucker And so I had the Google I'm said now not I'm not gonna walk back all the way over there and say look I'm such an idiot So I sat there and I googled how do you start a Tesla right? Right? And I had to sit and watch this stupid video and it was fine And then I will say yeah, I was I was very impressed I loved it.

2:18:30It was a great experience. I'd never done that bizarre right right and then bizarre how fast they are It was crazy right the bizarre and and then you know Then you got to figure out how to charge it and that was a whole another oh Yeah, you got to make sure that there's chargers available right in some places a fucking line Yeah, you got to wait an hour to get on that goddamn thing right and we're gonna sit in there for an hour And we're all gonna drive electric vehicles when you don't we don't have the capacity yet right? I'm going we don't have the guy's not ready for you. No not only that the fucking source of the minerals is a horror story Yeah, oh I meant to tell you there's a great story in which was a Wall Street journal today and I love when they have stories like this Because I'm thinking no no shit Sherlock.

2:19:11It's about It's about access for the Defense industry to magnets right rare earth magnets Which you need for everything submarines F 35s whatever think about what you need to for I mean and magnets are also for obviously for a variety of Everything else how so it applies isn't shit 92 % Of rare earth magnets are controlled by China right now Right materials and and manufacturing and so now the US is suddenly on realizing that they've gotten issue because A wall back handful of years ago They put in place a law that will actually come into effect in 27 in a big way which says you know no magnets You know from China where the materials or the processing or Manufacturers in China.

2:19:59So we don't have the capacity Why why why can't we get them after 27 from China? Well, they that's that's kind of when they said that's it Because we want to be in control of something this critical to a variety of things right and so the cap Well ability well, yeah, I mean we do look rare earth. It's interesting rare earth minerals are not They're not called that because of their rareness right there. They're actually you know You could argue critical minerals are more difficult to get your hands on but it's it's the refining process that that's kind of makes them difficult and We can get them we could we could have this capacity we could we could have had the capacity for years and years and years But we it's the regulatory policies right?

2:20:39So it's like the mining industry in the states is all yeah It's more a bunch right? It's almost dead because you know, we put in place so many regulations and say you can't no I can't do that it's a bit bad for the environment We know it's worse for the environment is the way that they fucking mine these things overseas right whether it's in China or Africa or wherever else And so we've we've kind of shot ourselves in the foot with this but they're now starting to catch anyway It's a good article Wall Street Journal So if they're gonna catch on like where do they get these is there a place where they can do it where they don't ruin everything There's another article I found right below.

2:21:09It's stuck about mountain pass Yep, which used to be a huge place Said if it was oil it would be considered Saudi Arabia. Is that where the donor party died? Oh, yeah, maybe in between California and about it says right here. Is that where they died? World's number one source of rare. Yeah, bro Started in a gold rush and then production changed and things changed Oh, is it still the number one source mountain passes arguably the best rare earth asset in the world? Whoa, if it were oil it would be Saudi Arabia Little let's start digging bitches Yeah, he was talking about the refining of it. That's I think this article starts talking about yeah So we don't have the refineries.

2:21:49Yeah, we need to and so we're there starting to put money into whether it's us or the Australians or the Germans or Whoever they're starting to you know realize but good news as they figured this out But while we were paying attention to whatever we were focused on China was dominating you know above 90 percent and knowing right strategically thinking ahead Years ago thinking what's going to be important right and so they did and they don't you know They're not playing the same game in terms of regulations and environmental concerns and practices And that's a good thing we should have environmental concerns.

2:22:19I'm not saying that no I'm not saying shit, but China is not having these concerns. No, they don't have it One of the wildest things that you know these social media Bonds, you know who knows what countries are Yeah, but there's a lot of them that are being run by foreign countries And they'll a lot of times be like real and flammatory about climate change And if they're funded by China while China is building coal plants all the time Yeah, they have like hundreds of new coal plants that they're building. Yeah, opening up. I forget what it was two a week or so New coal plants. Yeah, and EPA just just crushed the coal industry here over the past week and a half or so with some new regulations that are going forward in terms of You know what you have to reduce your emission by nuclear isn't that the solution?

2:23:04It would I would say that the solution is all of the above right? It's everything right and you gotta and yes Eventually work towards something that makes you know sense on the green energy front But yeah nuclear is certainly a big part of it, but We get in this mindset, you know, it's like everything else. We get one. It's it's got to be all this or it's got to be all that It's like it's like the way that we have we have arguments But yeah, you're right the people should look at like if you have an environmental uh activist group right and they a lot of times they'll want to shut down a mining operation here in the states right and it looks like it's a grass route It's just like the campus protests looks like it's a grassroots thing.

2:23:41Oh, it's just a neighborhood organization that's Against this idea, right? You got to dig into it a little bit and then next thing you know you find that there's there's outside elements involved because it's in their best interests and China's figured this out we've talked about this before they figured out that the way to impact the US for their own good Was to impact local and state regulations and regulatory policies towards things like mining right because it's it It helps them in their cause to dominate the industry or dominate whatever that market is that we're talking about so You know again, it's just a matter of you know people back the layers pay attention think about what you're what you're doing um I wanted I did want to oh this sort of talks about the uh Overbuilding of plants, but they're gonna run less frequently to keep their capacity high and then it's asked like why and that they might just be doing it Just in case yeah case what oh no, I don't know that's you know well maybe that's their they're preparing for their electric cars By the way China has the most advanced electric car suspension that I've ever even heard of It's so good that you could drive over speed bumps and you could have glasses balance on the hood Well, it sounds like that old satellite lives get where they said the ride was so smooth in the Lincoln you could conduct a Circumcision in the back so they had a Say I had a rabbi in the back of a Lincoln doing a circumcision to show how smooth the trans The suspension was well this makes that look like a motorbike Like like a motorcross bike holy shit like these things go over everything and they stay flat They don't feel anything the car just stays flat as it's riding over all these bumps It's nuts and if you see how it works like all the different things that are moving around inside of it all the machinery that they've developed To have this insane suspension.

2:25:35It's crazy China is like really innovating right now in the field of electric cars And in the field of cars period, but their electric cars have made massive leaps Because just a few years ago. I think Elon dismissed a lot of their electric cars But now he's like no, no, no, these are like really legitimate and they've got they've got their version of a Rolls Royce That's like a million dollars and you can't even get it Yeah, we've seen these Chinese Rolls Royces. They're insane. Yeah, and they've also and part of that is Because they've been strategic about locking up Critical minerals right overseas in terms of you know getting in there working with countries to lock up that market and also to dominate Completely the refining side of things right they've got the confidence in knowing You know where they where they can take this and so this is like okay, we can dominate the EV market You know because we've done the we've done the hard work ahead of this thing Wow, this is their the Chinese version of a Rolls Royce and it's supposed to be sick Like you get inside of you like oh my god, it's cars incredible But you can't even get them in America.

2:26:39Yeah, I like my Jeep Grand wagon here better. Jeep Grand wagon is a great I would drive this Delt bass Chinese luxury sled this thing looks insane Hey, you know that uh that thing you sent me about the manta. Yeah, yes, yes, that's that's seed ship Yeah, the uh, it's fantastic. It's um Uh, it's that you underwater Unman vehicle that's it right there. Yeah, yeah, that's that's what I hope America Is making without me knowing with my $10 and and we and we are I mean we make a shit like this look at that thing man. That is so cool Like that is if you imagined Like what was gonna be like the kind of technology that's in 2024 in like 1967 that would be right up there Yeah, I got a spaceship that they use in the ocean.

2:27:29Yeah, and it's and it's fantastic because it is it's it you You can you know, manufacture thousands of them right and they're for very specific purposes. They're they're long duration You know unmanned vehicles underwater uh Low power right what so interesting they're doing this that that thing called energy harvesting But they're getting it from the the gradient salinity in the in the water and The change in insulting us in the water, but it is fascinating But I part of it is how do they do that? Yeah, no, I'd like to say that I'm a gradient salinity You know a fish you're not oh, but I'm not But this is this is interesting because they were behind the curve in developing particularly from a naval perspective these these New capabilities and we're seeing how the drones and the unmanned vehicles from a Naval perspective have impacted Ukraine right and their ability to attack the Russian black sea fleet We're seeing what the hoodies are doing with them right and we've been a little slow to the game and so You know, it's interesting to watch now that they're developing things like this Which you can take apart and then ship someplace right it doesn't need the travel underwater to get to where it's going Right, you just you ship it off you put it together you assemble it you put it in and it's got a variety of of uses in Can carry payloads, but it's it is it is fascinating, but there's a there's also we talked about AI And there's something else that DARPA's been doing because this is a DARPA related project as well is something called ace and they've just finished um An AI and machine learning dogfight they've created a it's like x something x62 Which isn't Yeah, so autonomous now you you put two guys in there.

2:29:11There's still pilots in this thing It's a modified f16 essentially that you you got two guys in there, but they're not flying it So they've conducted actual dogfight scenarios against a human crew f16 right and it's It's remarkable this this plane is using AI and machine learning to To dogfight basically and is it winning against yes, yeah And you know, so you've you still have a couple of guys in there But they're just there like an autonomous truck right they're just there in case things go wrong They can take control, but it's it's unbelievable and in the center tests Yeah, how what is the rain?

2:29:48Well in the virtual test. Well, it's it's there would be the range of of an f16 right I mean it's you you've you've got So the all the everything's computing all the that's all happening in the computer learning on the plane and it's making decisions faster Then the human pilot can do it. It's not connected to the internet at all with sky with sky net or whatever the fuck that is What's your idea called? Oh, Starling Starling Sky net bro Starling Yeah, no, it's but it's I wanted to bring that up because that is that is to me. That's remarkable And yeah, that's insane. That's insane that it's doing it in real time.

2:30:25Yeah, the jet. It's crazy But it makes sense. There's no margin for error. It would get it perfect And they're in the virtual test that they did and the virtual tests they were undefeated against human humans right So yeah, you think about what that means down the road. Okay, so what do you think these drones are the people keep think seeing or these UAPs I should say drones some of them they think are drones that like hovering over ships right what do you do you think these are Foreign go they China can make electric cars that advanced right and we can make drones That are pretty fucking advanced.

2:30:59Yeah, what kind of shit do they have well? I think it's I think you're right I think most of the most of that UAP sightings and I think it's important to for them I'm glad the government and the defense bar is finally At least come forward to some degree to say look we've got we've got an interest in this We want to investigate we want to know what these things are these sightings that we can't readily identify off the bat Um look we were tricked out in the Korean War the Russians you know designed the mick whatever was the mick 15 maybe And we had no idea right so they they come out they roll out the mick 15 against we were still using you know You know rotor aircraft from Uh propeller aircraft from World War II In Korea the outset and we didn't know that the Russians had advanced material science to the point that they had So they could build something like this So it would be insane for us to think somehow that the Chinese you know who have proven themselves to be brilliant at reverse engineering Other people's technology haven't figured out something else so that yeah There's there's always this game of of trying to understand how advanced they are and I suspect some of the UAP sightings Are definitely probably Chinese.

2:32:05I don't I don't think the Russians necessarily but Uh, not that they wouldn't try or not trying but I suspect the Chinese are further advanced on this And they've stolen a lot of technology from us over the years and we've talked about that but Um, I think of the number of the UIP sightings that that get listed aren't just that but that's why they do it. That's why they have a An office now that you know that they've admitted to that investigates because it's a national security issue You've got to know if a hostile state has created something that we are not aware of right propulsion or material science or whatever it may be How much of that stuff could be kept secret and for how long do you think Like is it like is it equivalent in terms of like the physicists that are working on this in China Versus the ones that are working on it over here like is it possible that somebody made some sort of a propulsion breakthrough Well, yeah, anti -gravity or something.

2:32:53Yeah, well that was the thing. We have this lady um that went missing. You know that story. Yeah, yeah, yeah She was but she was working on an anti -gravity device And she back went back China for a little bit and then Yeah, but this back here there's been some talk about you know, there's some various people Salvador Pice and some others who have been working on supposedly on things, you know similar you know various propulsion systems anti -gravity, you know How do you you know how do you change the laws of physics right and I don't know that if I don't know how long that could be kept secret for right because could you keep it here for a little bit though?

2:33:34Yeah, yeah, you could but at some point you know, it's gonna get rolled out and you know someone's gonna get wind of something It's human nature And we're always trying we're always working just like the Chinese always working against us. We're always working on to stand what they got And so you know, I'm not a big believer that you know you keep secrets of a of an immense nature like that for a long period of time Well, if they did keep it a secret if that's what the tic -tac thing was that was 2004. Yeah It's hard to imagine them having that complex Propulsion system. It's so alien from what we we currently know yeah and have that 20 years ago and no one hears about it No, I know I know and that's that is long time that is the I've been in conversation with some folks We want to do a new series on on new IPs right and you know, I keep coming back to that incident right yeah And the folks that were involved in those sightings as one of those things right like if I had to you know I because a lot of things can be explained away that one still is a tough one That's a tough one.

2:34:35Yeah, there were a lot of eyes on target radars and and the and the wingman and there were there was a lot of things here that Just didn't add up the physical movement of it if all the machinery works of all the sensors work of all the detection equipment all the If all that stuff is accurate that thing's doing something that no one's ever even seen. Oh, no absolutely no sign of propulsion system Speed of movement change of direction everything was so bizarre But that's again what we're what we're looking for and we're moving in eventually we get in that direction right eventually You have an explainable technology that could create something like that right back then like you said I know maybe 2004 so long ago in terms of technology.

2:35:14Yeah, no, I know right it sounds crazy But 20 years ago is a fucking totally different world whether said dead exponential advanced Middle technology as you go along and as you create things, but which is really crazy if that was ours So if we if we had something like that in 2004 who where what right right how much money where did you get the smart guys? I don't think that would have been the case because I think that we wouldn't have heard about it Because I think they would have had a a classified briefing with fragrance that you saw nothing don't worry about it You know, it's all done. That's the case.

2:35:43So do you think they allow some talk about it because A lot of the talk is nutty anyway a lot of these people the believing you're right. Yeah, I Am open -minded about the idea to a certain extent, but a lot of these people that they could be telling you bigfoot stories It's like this thing kind of folks There's people that just see shit And it makes it makes their life way more interesting and then there's there's people that have really seen things I've good friends that have seen things so bizarre things Yeah, you've talked about that move talked about that yeah, and I and I grabbed talked to a couple of pilots They were out in Iraq and they said we were flying nighttime saw shit that we couldn't explain We had no idea what the fuck it was over the skies of Iraq while we were on a story And so yeah, I'm well then it gets to like Tucker Carlson territory He believes they'll like spiritual beings.

2:36:37Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure Yeah, they're like interdimensional truth Skin walker ranch and If that's true then the world just got so much weirder imagine us trying to deny that this whole time But that's really what was going on. Yeah, although you know It would help to explain a lot of things maybe and we can at least it wouldn't seem like we're You know, I don't know that Yeah, I'm not you know me. I'm not I'm not a conspiracy theorist I don't believe it because I again I going back to your point I don't believe that people can keep secrets for a long period of time, right? But what about the candy papers?

2:37:09No, there is that okay. All right. Well or the one that I we talked about this before Martin Luther King Yeah, that's the one that's the one that if if you're gonna really dig in I just you're never gonna shift me off the position that there were state local Officials if federal whatever involved in in that it just doesn't make sense still Some conspiracies are real Exactly. Yeah, it's not from a real. Oh, yeah Yeah, and it's and it's yeah, you go back to the uip thing it'd be insane to say that there's no such thing My favorite was the Roswell one because of that one's real. Yeah, Roswell crash.

2:37:43Yeah, yeah, yeah I don't know that one I'm not yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's serious. I don't know. You're looking at me like you know You just looked at me like come on bro. You know, come on. You know you wouldn't tell us that's the problem or what I know you wouldn't you wouldn't be able to Yeah, but maybe if you wanted to give me more disinformation Can you give me some nonsense? That's a whole there's a whole segment of society out there that believes that I'm just here to To push disinformation. That's my job Well, you're here because you're a nice guy and you're smart guy and you actually know what you're talking about And so I don't I know what I've read and I go oh my god What does that mean and so I can have you in here and you can explain things from a guy who actually understands the comp You had the best explanation of what's going on in the middle east.

2:38:27I've heard yet. Yeah Well, thank you. I appreciate do you mind if I do now on the heels of that do you mind if I do a little shameless market? Oh do some shameless marketing. Okay, so you know we've got the president's daily brief the podcast and That started up in September. It's done remarkably well despite me being the host Yeah, and so it's it's every morning every afternoon. It's it's we touch on we hit the the top issues critical issues of the day International stories conflicts whatever And because it's done well That's the weekdays that they're going to launch a weekend version extended weekend version on our YouTube channel.

2:39:05So we're going to video so Starting Saturday May 18th. We're going to take the PDB. It's going to still be during the weekdays on Spotify and all your other Podcast platforms, but then on Saturday May 18th we start with this the situation report. It'll be an extended version on YouTube With video. We're going to have guests and Which leads me to my question of how do you interview guests? But it's going to be great news commentary. We're going to have some very interesting people Same idea touching on critical issues and stories. We're going to just stick with the facts. We're going to stay away from opinion Right, which I think is one of the reasons why the PDB has done well Is that it's 20 minutes in the morning 10 minutes in the afternoon.

2:39:47We hit the facts Try to stay away from opinion occasionally. I might you know make some stupid remark But for the most part, it's just a little bit of context and then you know you get on your way bobs your uncle a little bit of Personality flavored and with a little personality. Yeah, I try not to inject too much because nobody wants that But yeah, it's good people need to hear these kind of balanced perspectives on things I think it's very important that you provide it because you're actually a person who really Understands these conflicts. It's because most of us it's the whole idea behind it So alien like what the hell's going on over there?

2:40:24Like it takes so long to try to penetrate to just like I was tell who's funding that Yeah, and then Iran is doing what and then so why do they want that? Oh, there's a chords and what how do what do you chords mean? And what happens? Oh, okay Like all that stuff is fucking complicated And it's hard to find like a singular source. We could just sit down and read it all and have it all makes sense to you Well, it's and I think that's that was the reason why we talked about that. That was the reason why I said okay I agreed to do it was because they said look we want to stick with the news right We want to try to get back to the old days here's the news and again It's always going to there's going to be a little context or analysis in there But for the most part just give people what's happening tell them what's happening don't tell them how to think about necessarily Just tell them what's happening and the the president's daily briefs got a great.

2:41:10It's got a great staff You know, it's not like I'm you know doing everything. I'm just like sort of like the the monkey crashing the symbols together There's a very unfortunate bit Sort of combining of the people that give you the news with people that think they're activists You know or people that think that it's very important that you stick to a very specific narrative and ignore Information that's contrary to what your belief system says Right, well, if all you do is just say here's what's happening right here's what we know is happening Right, and you don't try to again. You don't try to tell people what to think and you don't try to say okay We're going to approach it from a particular point of view and leave out half of what's happening right right yeah So just and it's like that old thing You know, there's there's still some news outlets out there that that do a good job of just presenting facts But most of them you know like you pointed there is most of them are opinion -based right and you know if you look at um If you sort of look at the the there's a survey that regularly looks at the news in terms of objectivity right and it changes somewhat And interestingly your your show doesn't change much right?

2:42:18It's always kind of it's right up there in terms of because you're not You know, you know other news outlets disappear off of there or they change position in terms of relative objectivity Right, but yours has been very consistent But you've got outfits like Fox News or CNN and they'll drop off the radar right because they become nothing but opinion Right for a period of time then maybe they self correct and they realize we need more news We need more facts. So they'll come back on the survey and come up higher in terms of relative credibility of actual news So anyway, it's yeah, it goes back to our original story.

2:42:49Everybody's got to be a little bit more careful Because it's getting more dangerous out there in terms of disinformation It's it's getting weird It's getting weird when you know we've talked about this before but it's an important number that the this guy who was used to work for the FBI Who analyzed Twitter and said he believed that it was as much as 80 % of the more bots Seriously, yeah, I did not see that pulled it up Jimmy. It's crazy because he might be right man Like there's there's really sophisticated ones. Yeah, yeah, you know There's and then there's ones that are very crude. There's ones that is just like a bunch of letters and a bunch of numbers Right, and it's someone just retweeting like patriotic things saying for the and you know, okay, I know what that is Topside cyber security cybersecurity expert claims that more than 80 % of Twitter accounts are probably bots And this is 2022 yeah, so this was in the process of Elon buying this All this stuff was going on where that's interesting.

2:43:47Yeah, they were looking at this and they were saying like when did he buy it? I was part of the catalyst that darkness. He wanted to find out right right, but they they told him it was 5 % I think you mean all the jadder what's his name together ran Twitter. Yeah. Yeah, yeah But I think Elon felt like they didn't base it on enough of an analysis They did based on a small number of accounts. I can't imagine it's 80 % right? I can't imagine It's crazy. It does sound insane. I'm sure it's higher than 5 % sure sounds higher than 5 % tweeted musk along with the tagging the news article Okay So Dan Woods global head of intelligence and cybersecurity company f5 who spent more than 20 years of the US federal law enforcement and Intelligence organizations told the Australian that more than 80 % of Twitter accounts are probably bots Yeah, so nuts.

2:44:38Yeah, it's somewhere between five and 80 if he's even if he's halfway right even if it's 50 % let's just say 50 40 let's see if he's 40 %'s crazy right 40 % of her bots And then you and that but that is that's probably you're probably getting to To accurate because I think just the Chinese alone right in the Russians. Yeah, they invest An enormous amount of resource into this because they know it's effective right and they know how damaging it can be and why wouldn't you Why wouldn't you right and this cyber era, you know, it's it's a way to influence people's opinions. It really is. It's crazy how well it works Well, if you can if you can just get like arguments going on Twitter You know people get engaged in those are they and you do like start a fire and run away from it.

2:45:27Yeah, yeah Can I ask you one more question? Yeah What is your what would be your best advice for Interviewing people because like I said we're starting this show and it's gonna have guests on it Do you have one thing that you've learned over the years in terms of talking to people and getting the best out of what they say? I think it's just a numbers thing. I don't think it's one thing I think it's like everything else like you you realize when you're being clunky like I do it all the time I really I don't like yeah interrupt to do quick like I didn't know like when to step in when not to it happens all the time And so you always got to like try to get the most out of your guest That's my idea when I go into a conversation is I want to talk to and we're gonna talk to each other But I'm just trying to get the most out of you.

2:46:15You know, I'm trying to encourage what you're saying Just like ask more questions. I'm trying to just genuinely engage with what you're saying Okay, get the most out of you the problem with a lot of people when they host things is generally like you want to talk and So she want to talk you start talking yeah, and then sometimes you talk too much and then the guest doesn't talk enough And it's like it's a balancing act, but I always go into it like with the intention of like whatever this person's doing Like help them make it the best version of this discussion that I can provide. Okay Yeah, no, I know what you mean about the because like you go on a new show And yeah, the question is Five minutes.

2:46:55Yeah, and you think okay, well that question glutes a lot of the talking points that you producers asked me to send to you So so all right then Um, okay, no, that's yeah, that that makes sense. Those shows are so limited man. Yeah, it's a real problem Because if this is how most people consume complex information The it's too limited. There's just your explanation of all the shit that's going on with Gaza and Israel just just that alone That how to take 15 minutes, right? Yeah, yeah And you're making these like summaries that are easily digestible Well, yeah, you and they'll say okay, you got you know you got we got 30 seconds left How are they going to solve the problem in Gaza Crazy it's just like that format of a limited amount of time to talk about complex things Right in this day and age it just doesn't really make sense anymore But it's how people I mean whether it's that or whether it's the you know, I get my news from Tiktok I get my news from X I get the way to get it.

2:47:54Tiktok's the way to get it. Yeah, you think they're the gonna be the most honest There's definitely you find out the difference. She's an American TikTok and Chinese TikTok. Oh good Chinese TikToks doing it right Yeah, like science achievements athletic performances martial arts. Yeah, there's no way that she regime would never let their youth get on American TikTok You think you could be a dude given makeup tutorials and Chinese TikTok They'll fucking find you They'll find you. No, it's true and so that's always a thing when when I talked to my kids about it and and uh You know, I always tell them don't use tiktok.

2:48:30Don't get on tiktok, you know, it's but they're gonna do it They're gonna do it. Yeah, so on it. Yeah, everybody's on it. It's crack. Yeah, it is crack those kids are cracked out It's an incredible time suck which again they know right the Chinese regime knows they understand is but but think about tiktok in terms of its disinformation Capabilities going into an election right and the White House has a problem right because the Biden campaign team has been using tiktok And at the same time they're trying to say we shouldn't use tiktok. I think it's a danger. It's a national security issue But we found it very effective for reaching the young market right and so there they have no grounds to stand on when they talk about a national security issue They got a problem they got to figure that one out again that's it that's get overly political good dance and with the devil Yeah, you made a deal with she she sorry, but if it's that's a thing is if like this is little dance and they can make you more effective and make your opponents less effective That's a crazy manipulation of the way people think about things and you don't you don't think that that's true But it's just like what what percentage of what side are you getting if you're getting like 80 % of your information That's very specific to one yeah, ideology.

2:49:41That's not good for anybody and kids are thinking about that It's been a progression right it used to be from the daily show with john Stewart That's where people young people getting their news right now they've aged out and now young people are are turning to tiktok and and they're getting their news And they're not thinking okay, of course they're not thinking about then I think in the I wonder if the Chinese regime is is you know constructing this in a certain way But of course they are and of course they understand The and that's really the danger people talk about the danger of tiktok is their ability to harvest Personal information right and that's a problem to some degree But the bigger problem is 170 million American users of tiktok Being vulnerable and reachable by a Chinese regime that does not have our best interest at heart by any means right So that's the bigger issue I think rather than the harvesting of personal data which Amazon and Google and everybody else how he has it right they got they got all that shit So it's not you know, yes, it's a hostile regime and yes, they're harvesting your data But you know, I think it's more of the I think it's more of the disinformation campaign and the potential for that That is the is the problem with with tiktok because if you can't control Like if you rather if you can control if you can control exactly what percentage of stuff gets out Like if someone if you can limit someone's reach Like if someone posts something and it's some right wing philosophy And they post that and they immediately tag it as such and limit its reach But then you take the other one and you expand its reach whatever the Contra position is and you promote it and you push it out everywhere How much of an effect does that have on young people?

2:51:20Well, and that's and that's the whole point of the game anyway is to is you know, you're suppressing and you're promoting and And again, you're doing it to an audience for the most part that is very vulnerable Yeah, and so I yeah, I Again, I don't know that that they're gonna ban tiktok Somebody's gonna come in and view that as an opportunity by right and I think so they will be able to sell it even though right now By dance is saying absolutely not we're not gonna sell it, you know I think they I think they probably will right. I don't see them banning it from you from app stores So I mean think about the angst that would create amongst the tweens and the teens and the fear is the language that's being used here though too, right That this could be interpreted as the ability to censor other So sure sure yeah, yeah, and that you really can't give the government that power Especially based on what they saw on the Twitter files Yeah, yeah, you can't okay press yeah if you're if you're looking at suppress accurate information Because you don't like what what you think that's gonna do for an election like that doesn't seem like you should be able to do that This this seems like that's that should be that that's not good don't do that If you develop That is allowed to do that to all of social media by law You're in territory that's real slippery now because it's just so ripe for corruption right and it always goes back to this Which you talked about before which is this idea that well if one president can do this to you know another former president Then the next one goes the next one goes and it's the same problem right hey, it maybe sounds good to us right now to to censor something or to Suppress something But we're not gonna be in charge forever unless they figured that out How they can be in charge forever.

2:53:08It's so dangerous. Yeah, it's so dangerous that it's it's so ubiquitous It's so everywhere and you don't know how much of what people are seeing is being manipulated right right well again You know not to not to beat a dead horse But you know if people could take away one idea it's that you gotta It's incumbent upon you and you know whether it's for you or whether it's for the sake of your kids To be curious and to actually make the fucking effort to understand what it is that you're seeing and reading and hearing and Yes, it takes time and you know, maybe it sounds daunting and you'd rather have the government do it right but that's that's that's not a good idea right I think it comes down to individual responsibility like a lot of things in life and I don't know that I'm optimistic about that as being the solution, but I don't see another way around it I mean you we can detect we can we can create apps to protect and be proactive you can do all those things which are incredibly important But ultimately it comes down to the individual and if they don't take it upon themselves Yeah, to go back to earlier point then you know we'll fuck Yeah Well I have hope Look at you look at you It's half full I'm a half full kind of guy this day.

2:54:30I feel like that's because you got kids It's also because I I know that most people are good people And that I think people get swept up in madness and I think they get swept up in tribalism And that's a real problem with someone that says polarizing is Trump right yeah, it's a real problem Because you have to accept the nonsense that Biden is okay if you're on the left like both of them are like They lock up like the fucking dolphins versus the Raiders and people get on teams man They're like fuck the dolphins. Yeah, that's what it is. It's just people People get super fucking tribal It's in our nature.

2:55:10We have to fight to avoid it Yeah, and the more extreme that you get on one side the more extreme the other side gets And they because they think look and again you get this this notion that I'm Saving the country one side or the other right both sides the hard edges of both sides feel like They're the ones that are trying to save the country Yeah, they have to win just like they want the Yankees to win Oh my god, it's really like that. It becomes the number one team. It's the biggest sport And you know, that's why it's important to have a big personality. It's part of the whole stupidity of it all And AI is going to save us from that you think that yeah, you don't believe you don't believe that You know much better government.

2:55:49It's going to be much better government. It won't even be controlled at all by people Hey, but it runs on its own algorithm that it created after it realized the flaws In the way human beings are processing reality. Do you know what the US government's trying to do right now Then trying to get China and Russia to sign up to an agreement essentially an international treaty That would ensure that AI does not Alone run Nuclear weapons systems, right and there's no treaty that prevents that right now. There's no treaty that that prevents Uh, taking the humans out of that decision making process. Oh my god.

2:56:26So I mean the Russians did during the Soviet Union days without yeah So they're going to be playing like some kind of crazy world war chess. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Super computers. Yeah, but right now that's it's the US is committed to this idea that we're not going to take the human out But the Russians and Chinese have not then no one's going to commit to that. Why don't you commit to that the best weapon of all time? You already said that these Fighter pilots exactly can't compete with these Things that are AI control. That's nuts. Yeah, it's it's it's it's a problem. I was about to say there's a statement of the obvious Top gun three is fucked What are they gonna do?

2:57:01I did not see the top gun three gonna do. I didn't see top gun two well. You're on American sir. Did you watch it? I watched a little bit of it That's fine. It's fine. I just can I was in the mood to lock in my good that vibration. I know I know it was fun kind of movie though. It was it was a one -time for me. It was top gun was a kind of a one -time Topcom was fuck yeah, it was a great movie. Yeah, it was great goose. Yeah. Yeah, yeah But I will say I'm very impressed with Carl. He I haven't heard him snore. Yeah, he's kept it together today God, he's a cute dog. He's cute as well. Yeah. All right.

2:57:37All right, man. Anything else? No, man. I Love the shit out of us. I'm sorry about that. I do but again, we have hope This is always a pleasure. I just I love this and you know, I've said it before but You know the time flies by sit down. You think I don't know. I don't know if I've got enough to say and in the time here and you always You know, yeah, you always take it someplace like the Kendrick Lamar thing I still Still fucking worried about that. Yeah, I hope they hug it out. All right. Thank you Mike. I appreciate you people. Bye yeah