#2150 - Greg Overton

38:17And William Randolph Hearst is the guy who started printing those stories in the paper about marijuana. You know, that was marijuana was the name for Wild Mexican Tobacco. It was a slang for a Wild Mexican Tobacco. Cannabis was like well, well known. And so they started saying it was a new drug called marijuana. And it was causing Mexicans and Black eyes to rape white people. Because they would use it after work because they weren't drinking. No, it wasn't real. They were calling it that because they were trying to get killed. No, but I'm saying they would actually get high. They weren't doing anything.

38:49They were trying to get marijuana to be illegal because they wanted hemp out of business for paper. That's what it was. For nylon. Right? Nylon, DuPont, it come up with the patent for nylon. And then there was also paper mills like William Randolph Hearst owned forests that they would cut down to make trees. So he owned paper mills as well. And hemp paper was a superior paper. And so when they came out with a decorticator, which was a machine that was much better at processing hemp fiber and they had it in popular mechanics magazine. So they started this campaign against hemp by creating this boogie man of a drug called marijuana that made people crazy.

39:28So that was the news. Yeah, so that's the newspapers in the 30s, man. So they've been doing this shit forever. They've been doing the same fucking thing forever. I wonder if there is ever a time when the media and the information was like working for us, like the, you know what I mean? I think there's been people that have been working for us. But there's always been stories that were like heavily influenced by the intelligence community and by, you know, special interest groups. And there's always been the case, man. Journalists have always been on the take a certain percentage of them. Yeah.

40:01There's a certain percentage of journalists that are just bullsharists. They're not real. Because all they are is people. Yeah, yeah, that's it. All they are. And there are people doing a job. Like that's their job. They work at this place that says, Hey, I want you to concoct this fucking story. Yeah, I have to do it. It's the same thing as like, dude, I think the whole fucking problem with the government is lobbyists. When I was a little kid and I was super patriotic, like as a little kid and I love the constitution, I think it's just as so cool that the checks and balances and the way the thing is supposed to work is amazing.

40:32And it's awesome. But then I heard about the lobbyists. And I remember as probably a 10 or 12 year old kid going, what? And the teacher would say, yeah, yeah, it's their job to go and try to influence our senators. And I'm like, that don't seem right. And what do they do? They take them to lunch and they buy them shit to fucking convince them to make, okay, get those motherfuckers out of there. And then we're good. Because then all they got to do is answer to me. And I'm the one paying them. They're trying to get extra fucking money. That's the same thing as if I was like, you know, working for a gallery and then selling art on the side or some shit.

41:14You can't do that. I mean, you could. And you know what happens? What? Like, and like customers will come up to you and say, I saw your shit at a gallery and I want to buy it directly from you. And so then it's on you. Is that, do you have a deal like with a gallery where like if you have your stuff up in the gallery that they have to sell your stuff only through that gallery? I mean, does it vary? Well, yeah, because sometimes you have to, you sign an exclusive and then some dollars will front you a bunch of money so every deal is different. But right now I do, I don't sign exclusive deals. I just say, you know, you show my stuff.

41:52I still sell a ton on my own, on my own. But you do that now because you're established. Yeah. But if they see it in the gallery and they come to me and they say, we saw it in the gallery, we've only seen it there. Then I'll try to get the sale to go through the gallery to actually still cut them in. Yeah. Because that's not really right. Right. That's right. That's the way we do it because they saw it in the gallery. That's the whole benefit of the working relationship of you being in the gallery. I mean, that's how I found you. Gallery is always surprised when you do it. But who, when you bought the painting you invited from me, you had to go through the gallery.

42:22I had to. But I could have said, bro, fuck the gallery. Right. That's from me. Yeah, but that would be cool. Right. Exactly. In that sense, I understand what you're saying. Yeah. But is there a situation with some artists where they have their pieces up in the gallery and they're not even allowed to be commissioned to make a piece outside of the gallery? I think if they have an exclusive contract and they've fronted you money. And if you come to them and say, hey, I have a sold -in thing. Can you front me some more money? And they're going to take care of you. Okay. So it's the fronting the money is the issue.

42:53But that's hardly ever happens. Okay. Like that's. So for the most part, like, say if I went into gallery and I saw some piece and it was really dope and they connected me to the artist and I get her email and I contact her and I said, hey, I really love this. I'm thinking of something along this theme. Can I contract you to do something like that? Can I commission you to do something like that? And they say, yes. Which you still have to go through the gallery, you think? What do you think the right thing to do is, though, for the artist? I think the right thing, if you find out about it through the galleries, probably go through the gallery.

43:26Yeah. And then that makes sense. Yeah. And then like the gallery knows your loyal. Yeah. Also galleries are dope. Yeah. We want to keep them open. You know, like I fucking love going to galleries. I just love seeing all the different, I just love different people's expressions. You know, whether it's the music or through painting or illustration or sculpture, whatever it is, I'm just interested in the things people create. And so if there's a place we can go and it's all just shit that people created, like I'm all in. Yeah. I love galleries. We need more of that. Yes. You know, we need more of that.

43:58We need more encouraging people to create things. You know, it's a very valuable commodity that's seen as frivolous until it's not. It's seen as no big deal until it's worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's a very strange world. It is. But like, I mean, when you think about it, it's like what we were talking about earlier, how this system is so much bullshit and it's so dry and fucking empty and there's just nothing to it, but they have to slot you in and make you fucking tow the line and your life so fucking boring and shit. But if you get into art, whatever art it is, where there's your music, at least you have a solace of some kind that you can come home to.

44:39So what I aspire to do was to provide powerful stuff that people that like they're out there doing crazy shit all day, like you doing stuff that's affecting the world. Like they're, they got a bunch of stuff on their mind all the time. But just for one minute, they look at that painting and they're like, now I know why I remember why I'm doing all this. It's for the spirit. It's for the essence of life. It's to try to make life better for all of us. Yeah. You know, that's what art is really supposed to do is try to communicate to you that like you do matter. We all matter. We all matter together and we're not actually separate because if you can relate to this and I can relate to this, maybe we can forget about all the bullshit that they're trying to make us fight about.

45:24Yeah. And just fucking check out a show. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. We matter to each other. Yeah. That's what's really important. Even if you think it don't matter in the great scheme of things, like when people get like real morose and they start thinking about life as being futile and there's no reason, there's why go on and generally that's people that are disconnected from other people. They don't have anybody like real close that they can hang out with that they love. You know, and people need that in life. It's a, you need, you need a tribe. Yeah. You do. We're tribal people. You need a tribe like your family should be your tribe, your friends should be your tribe.

46:05You know, you need groups to be, and that's a, that's a wonderful life. That's a joy filled life. If you can have a life filled with people that you enjoy hanging out with. Yeah. If you can do it right. Yeah. And those, those people that think that they don't matter, that they are alone, you know, don't underestimate the, like the potential you have to actually affect people's lives. Sure. You can turn it around too. How you feel right now is horrible and as dark as it seems. That's not how you're going to feel always. You just have to trust in this process and you got to do something. It was a funny little Instagram clip that I put on my stories the other day.

46:44This lady was talking about how she feels down and then someone asked her, uh, did you get enough sleep? Nope. Have you been exercising? Have you been eating well? Nope. Have you gone outside? Nope. Have you stayed off your phone? Nope. Okay. What should you feel good? Exactly. But that's our, that's the thing. As I say, I'm broke. Did you go work? You can save your money. Right. Do you have people in your life that you love? Do you have the thing that you do that you love? If you don't have those things, you're going to have a rough time of it. You know, that's what we here, we're here for. We're here for doing things that we love or that are satisfying and being with people that we love.

47:19And if you don't have those things, you're in a tough spot. And, you know, the cold heart truth is for a lot of people, you have to be someone worthy of other people's appreciation too. Like what have you done? Who are you? What, you know, what, what, what's your character like? What do you like when you talk to people? Are you nice? Are you fun? Are you good to be around? Do you complain a lot? Mm -hmm. You know, and you want the world to be better, but you complain all the time. You're just a fucking Debbie Downer. Is that what you are? Yeah. Because guess what? Nobody wants to be around you and you're going to be depressed now.

47:52And you're making people feel like shit, you got to get out of that whatever mindset spiral you're in and come up with a better way to interface with humanity. Yeah. Because it's all about perspective, dude. You know? Like you could, I was walking around Austin earlier today. I've never been here before. I was just taking a walk. Is your first trip? Yeah. Nice. I don't, I go to like art towns for shows. It's all about business when I travel. I'm just doing shows and going home and making more paintings. But just walking around a little bit down here, I was just like, God, this really, I can look around and just see how fucking cool this place is and how all these people built all this stuff and they're building it and everybody's doing something here and I'm part of it.

48:38And I get to just sit here and chill and like take it all in and go, wow, fuck, I'm in this new city. They're building, they've got cranes on the tops of all the buildings. The restaurants look all vital. I love to see that. And I'm like, dude, all these people have good perspective. Not all. Well, I mean, like more, more. It's a good vibe, right? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what to expect, but I was like impressed. I was like, this place seems pretty cool and I realized, that's my perspective. I'm looking for the good. Right? But somebody else might be in the same exact spot and they would only notice the weird homeless dude over there that they hope that he doesn't come over here and ask him for some money or they're stressing out about their bills or whatever it is.

49:24And I'm just sitting there thinking, no, I'm a fuck perspective. Look at how fucking cool life is because it really is, dude. I think we've all gotten so fucked up with by these little cell phones that have kind of captured us that we kind of forget. But just go outside. Yeah. You know? Go outside and experience some things. It's just hard to do when you're stuck. If you're at home and you're just like staring at your phone, it's hard to like put it down and start moving. It's hard, but you really have to. It's trap. It's trying to get us to get sucked into the machine, kids, and it's common. And if you think it's difficult to resist now, just wait.

50:02Just wait. But just don't let your tolerance get all low. Like, don't just keep fucking with it. Right now, go camping. Right now, go learn to ride a horse. I don't know about that. You know, you get hurt. Right, I got some crazy horse stories. I know a lot of people have some crazy horse. I went down to the... I don't think they like to be riddened. No, check this out, dude. I'll tell you something funny. I went down on a photo shoot to the Navajo Reservation years ago, like probably about five or six, maybe seven years ago. And the Apaches and the Navajos were kind of doing a piece ceremony.

50:35And I was down there with like this native photographer and just a couple of friends. We were all hanging out like Navajos. And we ran into this Navajo family. There's this dude that just got back from the military and like his little brother and his little sister. And we're all just hanging out. Like because I just take pictures to get ideas for paintings and meet people and just go do stuff and go to reservation. That's what gives me the ideas. And so I've raised riding horses. And I haven't ridden a horse since I was a little kid in Montana. But I learned how. I knew I rode horses every day as a little kid, like 10 years older.

51:10So we'd ride them to town. And so all these Indians are out there riding horses and I want to fit in. I was like, oh, I want to jump up on one of these horses. And I jump up on one of the trail horses that's been out on the trail ride all day. And I have these long ass legs. Everyone else is shorter than me. So the stirrups aren't long enough for me. So I jump up on there and I'm all kind of off balancing. The horse gets weird out and just fucking takes off at a full run across the desert. Ran for like a mile dude and I'm shitting like it's fucking me. And it's like I thought about jumping off and everything.

51:46Oh my God. And luckily I had been training juditsu at the time. So I had the like the strong juditsu grip that you get. Right, right. And I grabbed the saddle horn and just hold on to it. And I'm like, oh, not jumping. I want to wear this motherfucker out. And he ran for about a mile. So you didn't have a reins. He didn't have a hold of the reins. I lost the reins for a ride. Oh my God. He was running, dude. I wasn't ready for it. He just took off. Oh my God. Took off. But I didn't fall off. I didn't jump off. Oh, shit. And he finally got tired and I turned him around and walked him back to where we were all hanging out.

52:16Oh my God. And everyone was like, we thought we were going to be peeling you off the prairie. And my horse. Like, but his head down and taps the ground. I said, I mean, this fucker tap. I jumped off. Oh, dude. Is it interesting that you can break horses? They get wild horses and they can break them. They break them and get them to the point where they can ride them. It's very strange. It's a strange animal. Like, yeah. I mean, dude, horses are amazing. And then I got to go down to a ranch in New Mexico and learned to ride a bunch of few years ago. And I got good enough where I was running and controlling the horse.

52:52It's kind of like a version, a real version of Avatar. When they have to hop on those dragons and they have to like merge with them. They are exactly fucking like that. It is like that, right? Because this is like thing that's way more powerful than you. But for some weird reason, you guys sink up together. And if it likes you, it will like stomp out rattlesnakes for you. And if it doesn't like you, it'll go over to the rocks and. Yeah. Chuck you off. Fuck off, bitch. Yeah, you have to have a good relationship with that animal. Yeah. And it has to be a real relationship. You can't be out of fear that animals will love you.

53:26And you have to love it. It's like dogs. Yep. Exactly. Exactly. They called them sacred dogs. Mmm. The Lakota did. But that's. Yeah, a dog you ride. Yeah. Yeah, dogs and humans have very strange relationships. Very strange. You know, there's some sort of a sinking of the minds that's. It's not as simple as the dog recognizes that it gets food from you. And no, no, no, no. This is like this weird love, you know? Well, did you ever see that show that was about how. Humans and canines like evolve together? Yeah, I have seen it. Yeah. Dude, I mean, I have two dogs like their part husky, part a quita.

54:07They're like, they're like the primal breed. So they kind of, they look like wolves. They kind of act like that. Yeah. Like, dude, those dogs are my best friends, you know? Yeah. We go around the neighborhood. They pull me on my skateboard. And I know that they know that I'm their friend. Right. And it's like, I know if, like if I'm having a bad day or if I'm just like stressed out or something, and I do this or something, they'll come right up to be like, what's wrong, bro? I was in the gym today stretching out. And I was doing this crazy back stretch. And it's kind of painful. And some like, and next, you know, Marshall's face is like right there kissing me.

54:48I'm like, it's all good. Dude, I'm just stretching. And then he's like, did that stretch hurt you? Just wanted to make sure I'm OK. It was just funny. It's funny. They just sync up to you. They just, there's something about whatever that relationship is. It's so unique to dogs. It's so different than any other animal. Yeah. You know, it's like concerned about you. Like other animals, I don't think are concerned about you. Like your cat's not that concerned about you. I don't know. You're in pain. You're in pain. Face off if you die instantly. If you like, you break your leg, your cat's going to go, oh, this guy's fucking loud.

55:21Let me go back. I'm fucking snap. Yeah. I was the other day we were working out in the gym with all the comedians and Marshalls with us. And I started kicking the bag. And he starts barking. He starts jumping up and down and barking, because he thinks like some shit's going down. Is that bag fucking with you? Like what's happening here? I know. I was like, that's hilarious. Like all the other stuff that we did, we did all is kettlebell workouts, we pushed the sled. That was all fine. But once I started hitting the bag, he's like, what the fuck is going on? They can tell the difference, dude. They can tell the difference between like actual violence.

55:58Yeah, they understand what violence is. Yeah, it's weird. It is, dude. It's like, how does he, why is that different to him than me lifting a thing or me grunting or pushing a sled? Like, well, I don't understand why. Well, that's totally why we kept him around, because we're like, as soon as shit starts to go down, you jump in. Yeah. I'm going to get my knife. Yeah. Take care of it. You hit him low. I'll hit him high. They know that they're with you. Yeah, they have to protect him. You get to eat him. That you like, that happens with people, you know, if they get in some sort of a school like brother and sisters getting fights together, the dog fucking tries to jump in.

56:31Yeah. It happens all the time. Yeah. You know, if two girls are beating the shit out of each other and the dog shows up like this, I know party, dude. How many times have you seen that? I was always just pushing and shoving the pit bulls got your arm. Yeah. Oh, no. And then you got nerve damage. No, just like you have to play a fucking alligator. Yeah. Well, it's fucking things. Yeah, they don't understand that either. Especially dudes, they get a little too loud with their playing. Yeah. Well, the dogs are like, oh, some shit's going down. They eat the dog that you think so. Yeah. Fucker. Well, they're f**king.

57:01This is in your house. Yeah. This is my house. Yeah. And I'm not drunk. They don't get the rules. Yeah. They don't get the rules of engagement. That thing in the avatar is so wild when they sink up and they link their tails to their hair thing. Yeah, he's like, tell me tail to the head. It really is kind of what happens with a horse. Well, everything is kind of based on something. You know, I mean, like fiction stuff. You get that idea from somewhere. Well, having people said that avatars like Pocahontas and space. I thought they said it's like dances with wolves from space and they pissed me off.

57:36Well, because my mentor, a friend of mine wrote dances with wolves. Oh, really? He's like one of my best influences that guided me in my career, Michael Blake. He's a bro, dude. It wasn't about they say, oh, the white savior story. He's coming to save the Indians. That's some bullshit. I'm like, did you watch the f**king movie? Who saved who? The white guy didn't save the Indians. They saved him. They're, he learned from the Indians how to be a good person. There's nothing wrong with that f**king story. I barely remember that movie. I remember it was really good, but I barely remember it. Well, he told, pull that microphone up to you.

58:14Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Moves around. Yeah, he told me that he came up with that idea by he heard a story where supply train, a wagon train pulled up to like an abandoned camp, a civil, or not civil, like an army camp. He heard that story and he thought, what would I do if I was that guy? Would I just go back to the base, to the army base, or would I stay there and try to figure out what happened? And he said, he just came up with the whole thing based on putting himself there in his imagination. Right. And he's just such a cool motherfucker, dude. Like I remember I was saying, you know, this is years ago, I said, I wanna be the next Howard Turpinning, which is like the big Western art.

58:59She's like, no, dude, don't be the next anything. Be the first Greg Overton. Just be you, you know. And here and that, like the, that movie was a big influence on me, because when I saw that and got a Howard Turpinning book, that's what really got me back into Western art. Cause as a teenager, I was doing all the punk art. Like I did album covers for love the bands from Salt Lake and was trying to draw comic books and shit like that. But as soon as I saw that movie and got the Howard Turpinning book, that's what really brought me back to the Native American stuff. And I was like, this is what I'm gonna do.

59:37I think what's so interesting about the Native Americans to one of the things that's interesting, I should say about the Native American stuff is that we didn't really understand what was even happening until the 20th century and now the 21st century. We didn't really have an understanding of like how their cultures worked and how they interact with each other. The way it was depicted in mainstream media was always cowboy and Indian movies. It was like this very crude, kind of simplistic version of what they, we didn't really understand, you know, much about Native American culture until people started writing these, like Empire the Summer Moon, some of these amazing books.

1:00:13When you get a real understanding of like black elk speaks, like those kind of things, you actually hear from the people that lived that life. Like what was that like? Because our version of it was all just stupid movies, John Wayne movies and shit. And then Clint East would took it to another level, like especially the outlawed outlawed Josie Wales. Fuck yeah. Yeah, when he meets with that Comanche guy, and him and 10 Bears have this conversation about what's gonna go down, you know. Your words have ironed lives. Yeah, where's the words of death? Yeah, that's a heavy scene. Will Samson, that's like, yeah, that's one of the best movies ever, dude.

1:00:53That's a great fucking movie. That's a great fucking movie. Yeah, that's a fun movie. But that's like the real Comanche Texas Ranger, cause he was a Texas Ranger type, dude. You know what I mean? And those are both just awesome icons of the West. We should respect both of those. Because neither one of them were like a hero or a villain purely, I mean the Comanche, they were a fucking empire. They were out for conquest, they're colonizing the fuck out. They took all the horses and they're like, fuck you, we're taking it. Yeah, they committed raids on other Native American tribes all the time. I mean, they were ruthless.

1:01:33I mean, we've talked it was forward, they just the name Sue, that wasn't their name. Then that was the name for enemy. Yeah. Their name was the Lakota people. That's what they called themselves, but everybody else called me enemy. They're fucking everybody up. Cause they were like, there was no unity amongst Native American tribes. I mean, it was really no different than the interactions that we have with other countries. Like sometimes you're connected to them and you're allies and sometimes you're a war. And sometimes there's the same groups of people that you used to be allies and now you're a war or you used to be a war and now you're allies.

1:02:08Like United States and Japan. Perfect example. You know, I mean, that's probably one of the best examples in modern times. Yeah. We literally dropped indiscriminate nuclear bombs on two of their cities and now we buy their cars. I don't imagine if it is one end. That's one of your friends, you know. I'm saying, sorry, I nuked your fucking house, bro. It was almost a 80 years ago, dude. Let it go. I just nuked your fucking house. Come on. Let it go. You wouldn't stop fighting, bro. Apparently, they're like, dude, you didn't get our memo. We were gonna stop fighting. You guys just want to try out your fucking bomb.

1:02:43You just want to flex and you used to, you just want to flex your fucking nuke power and you still want to go to vacation and fucking Europe, bitch. I'm actually seeing the first nuke go off and realize that nothing's ever gonna be the same again. When they drop that first nuke in a city, just like, oh my God, what have you done? What have you done? And what precedent have you set? It's kind of really truly amazing that we haven't done it since then. Yeah. That's what makes you believe in the aliens and multi -dimensional beings and shit. Really? Well, cuz they're... Isn't it just mutually -assert destruction as well?

1:03:19No, no, I'm saying like, when humanity got all the nuclear bombs and shit, that's when you start to see all the sightings and stuff. So that's why it kind of makes sense that they'd be like, oh, what are you doing? We can't let you blow up your whole fucking planet before you even evolve to your first level because for all we know, we're still white belts. Right. Well, leaf cutter ants have no idea that you have a car. They have no idea. They have no idea what a Bitcoin is. They have no idea, you know, what 4G is. They don't know shit. And they're in. It's not about cutting leaves and being ants.

1:03:53But they're around it all the time. It's very possible that there's some shit like that in other dimensions that are equally bizarre, that we just, we are not connected to all the time. And they might be here all the time. And if that's the case, then it makes sense that they would start showing up when we were in the middle of dropping nukes on each other. They'd be like, hey, hey, hey, hey. Be like, when your parents heard you just beating the shit out of each other and though the room, they're coming over like, all right, fucking settle down. Settle down boys. You're gonna fuck up the drywall now.

1:04:25Yeah, you guys are crashing into fucking TV's and shit. They're like, hey, that's all it is. We're just their dumb kids in the next room. It might be something to know us. Because maybe they needed to let us know, okay, there's some other folks here and they're way more advanced and settled the fuck down. You know, we're trying to bring you along just, you know. The problem is with all that stuff, is it's so hard to know what's true and what's bullshit. Just like the Bigfoot thing. It's so hard to, well, the Bigfoot thing's way easier, right? But the UFO thing, there's way more evidence. It's so hard to know what's bullshit.

1:05:01It's so hard. It's so hard to know who's telling the truth and who's lying. It's so hard to know what involvement the government has in terms of how many of these things are drones. You know, you're hearing now that a lot of these people that believe that these things are flying around, they think that what we're dealing with is some sort of a government drone. And that a lot of this off -world craft talk is really just misinformation so that they don't have to take accountability for having some crazy thing that China doesn't have or maybe China has that we don't have. And then they want to lie about it.

1:05:35You know, try to develop whatever the fuck they have. Yeah. And when you find out what they're really doing, then it's like, okay, now this makes sense. Now that makes sense because you're having a fucking do all this to develop that. Well, you know, it was a whole conspiracy about the invention of the transistor because the transistor came about right after Roswell. And there's a company called Bell Labs. And Bell Labs was, I believe they were the people that invented the transistor. And there was a military base right outside of Bell Labs. And they always said that that military base was to protect New York City.

1:06:15But it was pretty far from New York City. Like if you wanted to protect New York City, put a base a lot closer. You wouldn't put it so far away or take them like 40 minutes to fly there. But Bell Labs is a wild place. And that was one of the main focal points of conspiracy theorists when they were talking about back engineering stuff from Crash UFOs. It was fiber optics and transistors. And that they all came about very shortly after Roswell. And people don't exactly know how they figured those out. They probably, those were probably the like the most basic things that they recovered. So they are the easiest to figure out.

1:06:53So that's why we had them first. And there's like, it's just like those fucking play stations. They release a better one every few years. Maybe they have play station five and 95, but they're still giving us play station one. Because they want to sell all five. Well, they can't just give us a time machine. They have to give us a spaceship first. Yeah. Like first of all, you gotta figure out travel you more on. And we won't even need a fucking spaceship once we got a time machine. Yeah. Then we'll give you the big bang machine. Yeah. That takes time. You gotta get to a higher level civilization.

1:07:25Have you heard of a Dyson sphere? Do you know what a Dyson sphere is? I've heard of it. What is it? Well, it's a massive structure that some astronomers believe could indicate highly advanced intelligent life somewhere in the universe. They've never been discovered, but they've been theorized that these, there was this article that I was reading yesterday about it. If you see if you can find it. So it can like tell you where it would be. But they think they're massive structures that are like literally like a structure the size of a solar system. And somebody made that and those fucking things are out there.

1:07:59Well, this is just theorized, right? When they're talking about the highest potential level of technological ability. That you could get to? Yeah. I mean, imagine if you got to a place where you had a self -contained solar system that's completely controlled by these intelligent beings, but that's immune to all of the hazards and what if we're in that motherfucker? We might be. That's the simulation. We might be. We might be. And Thanos is like a type two civilization. One that can directly harness harvest rather the energy of its star using a licensed fear or something similar. So it like is solar powered basically?

1:08:40Well, I don't know what the fuck it is. I mean, I think it's totally theoretical. There's no real versions of them that are out there. But the idea is that if technological proficiency and innovation continues at the level that it is now for millions of years, what does it get to? But you know what? It's probably gonna get weird in that. Because this shit you can imagine. Like, remember the 80s when you fucking had a walkman? Whoa, what are they gonna have in a few years? Right. I'll be able to, you know, you probably thought it was still gonna be a cassette tape. Like when you watch the fifth element or blade runner, they're still using fucking telephones.

1:09:14They didn't even think of cell phones. But that's our most obvious thing that we have right now. Star track they had a walkie talkie. Yeah, Kirk out. Right. Cause you're still like relating it from like 1960. The pome of space. Yeah. Exactly. That's not the unreal fight of any of that pome. So it's going to fucking God of war. Mm hmm. Yeah, it's gonna keep going. That's what I think artificial intelligence is. I think, and this is a, I don't really think this. This is just a thought. Maybe the universe is God. And maybe the way God is created is through intelligent life. That intelligent life creates a far superior version of itself in artificial intelligence.

1:10:01And that creates a far better version of itself infinitely. They just keep making better versions of itself as it has more of an understanding and more capacity and it grows and it makes better versions of itself. It's eventually going to get to God -like powers. The power to create universes. The power to create solar systems. The power to stop time, reverse time. The power to traverse immense distances instantaneously. It'll just have capabilities that we could only imagine. We could always just imagine if and it can do that. Yeah. I mean, if we look at how we're living right now in comparison to how people were living when they were making those cave paintings, like wow, insane.

1:10:48Cave paintings to fucking. It's not gonna stop right here. But what's the things they can do? The 3D printing? 3D printing? That's fucking crazy. No, it's the same. I mean, well, you know, that's what they think the spaceships are made out of now. Like when Bob Lazar was first examining, if he's telling the truth, when Bob Lazar was first examining the spaceships, the thing that blew him away was there's no seams. It didn't make any sense. Like how could one even make something like this? Well, now that we know there's 3D printers and you could make something like that. Yeah. I mean, I don't think you can make it that scale yet, but if you had enough of a capability, you had machines that could do it.

1:11:23Well, yeah, I mean, if we thought of it, and we're doing it and they're fucking. Right. 60 million light years ahead of us. Right. Like who's to say they're not? Who's to say they're not 60 ,000 years ahead of us? Or 600 ,000 or 6 million? Or like think about it. If you have a fucking time machine, you could go back to check out some shit that already happened, but you could also go forward. I mean, we just have no comprehension of what you could, maybe you could like start a project in your lab, right? And then travel, and you get all these fucking AI robust to work on it, and then you travel way forward in time and go get it, and then bring it back.

1:12:04And then it's the fucking ultimate thing. Like that's what I'd be doing. If I had time machines, I'd be like, all right, I'm gonna get all these fucking helpers to build these awesome monuments, and then I'm gonna go in forward and time and check on it. All right, did you? You know what I mean? Like it would just give you, if you could manipulate time and travel through time, like it's an element, like have you ever checked out? But you wouldn't be able to experience it, because like you would always be involved in time being manipulated, so there'd be no static time. So even in this static time, something could intervene instantaneously always.

1:12:40For forever. What if we don't really understand the nature of time to make those definitions? What if you could, if you could get this time machine, what if you could kind of like step out of time in a lot of different ways that you don't think, would you know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. Like you could go into a timeline and you don't even necessarily affect that timeline. If you know how to just observe it. Right. And not like physically disturb it. But you do as affected if you go forward in the future. The idea of a time machine, the current idea of a time machine, is that you can't travel where there are no roads.

1:13:18So once a time machine is invented, then everything from that time, that time machine is invented forward becomes a completely different way of using time. Because time now is non -linear. Time now, anyone can go. So everything happens all at once. So people from the future will be traveling back to the moment where the first time machine is invented. So everything will change instantly. Because if you're gonna invent a time machine and you live a million years in the future, assuming that humans even exist if a time machine gets invented. I mean, we might become obsolete almost instantaneously.

1:13:56But if you were a live human being, a million years after the time machine is invented, you would wanna go back to the moment the thing was made. You would want, and so the moment they turn that motherfucker on, everything changes forever. Singularity. Yeah, that might be the real singularity. That was one of the mechanics theories. Terence McKenna believed that we were gonna come up with a time machine. He thought that was gonna happen around December 21st, 2012. Well, you checked out his time, we've zero on all that stuff. Yeah. And you know how they came up with that? Those Taoist priests and shit.

1:14:30How did that? The fucking E -ching dude, they could go into deep meditations and they would take mushrooms too. And they found out that time can be mapped and predicted that's where the fucking E -ching comes from. If people in the 60s got all into the E -ching, the E -ching is like a game, right? No, it's a book. It's made up of, I'm not like an expert on it. But isn't there a game that's involved with the E -ching that McKenna sort of patented a pattern wave time of zero on? I don't know if he made a game of it, but is that? Is the E -ching a game? It's like a fortune telling system. That's what it's like.

1:15:08It's like a form of divination. Divination, right. Yeah, it is like a fortune telling thing. That's what it is, it's not a game. Yeah. I was trying to remember how he, I haven't heard his stuff in a long time. Try to remember how he described it. But most people that have looked at time wave zero think it's kind of nonsense. Including guys like Paul Stammett's. They're like, he was probably tripping real hard. We came up with that. I don't know. I think it's above their head, dude. It might be. I think I... It also is a ridiculous thing to subscribe to. So a lot of people were reluctant to open their self up to ridicule.

1:15:41But so is everything. Everything's ridiculous. Everything's ridiculous. What's all these like religions and everything that everybody fucking is into. Everything's ridiculous. Nothing is Taoism and time wave zero isn't any more ridiculous than anything else that people are fucking. Terror cards. It's, I think it's really interesting because those, I really get into ancient Chinese culture. Like I was into, you know, Kung Fu at a young age. So I've studied a lot of Chinese philosophy, Taoism, all that stuff. Those people are highly intelligent, spiritual people who are doing deep meditations and discovering really profound truths, you know.

1:16:19I think that we are at a level where we're so intellectual, that we're almost too intellectual. So it's almost like we can only think about things in this scale. Like people see in a certain frequency. They can only see certain lights, but like dogs can hear sounds we can't hear. Other... So it's just like that. It's like our fucking intellect is like this. And we can figure out, but... Because what we exist within the context of our culture. Because we fall in love with this. Right, I'm honored. But there's also this in your heart. Your spirit that that's what figured out the Tao to Qing. That's what figured out, you know, how to tame horses and be one with them and domesticate primates.

1:17:04It wasn't just us thinking cerebral. That's like, that's kind of limited. I think our real being is deeper than that. I think you can learn and know things. Because I don't think about my ideas for art. I don't try to come up with them intellectually. I just meditate. I wait for it to find me. And that's not an intellectual practice. Right, you know? But obviously it yields results, right? So it's the right way to do it. Meanwhile, people wouldn't think about that. They would think, oh, like, what's the straight? How do you do this? You add these boards and that's how you make a house. They want a system.

1:17:44They want to switch is and that's how you make a computer. Exactly. Yeah. That's why Bruce Lee innovated martial arts because he said, like, let's kind of break down all these systems. Let's not adhere to these. Right. He called it organized despair. All the karate forms and just doing your sparring and not really doing live training is a threshold that you don't want to cross. So you're stuck in this, like, let's go through all these boring, stupid rituals to try to prop up our bullshit society. When it's like, no, I think we've taken intellect as far as it's gonna go. I think if we're gonna get to the next level, we have to go deeper this way.

1:18:29And you know what I mean? Well, I think it should be both, right? And I think the problem is that with money and with capitalism and our society and with our reward system is based on, it rewards people going towards the things that are gonna get you results that you could show other people, you know? Like houses and cars and stuff like that. Like a quick result. Well, like a physical tangible thing that's measured and cherished by society as opposed to spiritual growth. Yeah. You know, we don't take a spiritual growth as being, like, it's almost like a frivolous pursuit of silly people. I'm working on my spiritual growth.

1:19:06She fucking lays a bitch. Like, what are you doing? What are you actually doing? Sitting around and you fucking cookies on. Yeah, yeah, doing it. Self love. Okay, so hold down. Okay. Maybe you love yourself too much. Yeah, maybe you think about yourself too much. There's so many other things to think about, you know? And it's just, we have a very complex society that has a gravity to it and it sucks you in. And it makes you a part of it. And you don't have a whole lot of say. You get locked in and you get locked in when you're really young, get indoctrinated in the education system. And then you get outside of it and you have to make a living and take care of yourself and pay your bills.

1:19:48You get locked in. You get locked in. You get locked in. You get locked in. You get locked in. Right above you. And every now and then, you're forced to see it. Like, I don't know if you guys got any of the northern lights from the solar storms. Like, why don't you get it? Yeah. What was it like? Just, I mean, I didn't see it. My daughter is just sending me pictures of it. Yeah. My buddy lives in Montana and he was sending me photos of what's going on. And Jamie, your buddy in Ohio, right? Well, yeah, all my friends in Ohio saw it. So, maybe that's far. Yeah, it's wild. It's crazy how that just happened all over the place, man.

1:20:19Well, we knew about it. We knew they were coming because there's two different types of radiation that comes from those storms. When they have these big coronal mass ejections, one of them reaches us in seconds. I think that's a gamma wave. Is that what that is? That reaches us in seconds. And then the second one takes days to get us. And that's the one that can take out your cell phone towers and fuck up communications and shut down the grid. And if it gets big enough, we're really doomed. Yeah, we have a very, very vulnerable system. And we're essentially living in a house with a glass ceiling hoping that it doesn't hail.

1:21:01Fuck. Don't help me sleep good, man. Right. If you park your car outside, you know, if most of the time your car is fine. Most of the time it doesn't hail. But if it hails, your car's glass. Feeiling on that car. Your car's going to give fucked up. I'm sure you've seen like damage that hails caused to people's cars. Yeah, fuck, man. And that is an unpredictable thing that happens way more often than these massive solar ejections. But if they get big enough, they get big enough. We're fucked. If they get big enough, we are back in the caveman days, kids. I mean, we still have books and we'll be reading them by candlelight.

1:21:41But all refrigerations gone. You're going to have biodiesel generators. You're going to have to make them be - Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to need beef jerky. You're going to need water purification tablets. You're going to need someone who can figure out how to make those water purification tablets without electricity. Someone who tests the water on before you drink it. Bro, you need a whole bunch of things. It could get real squirrely. What is, when they have a coronal mass ejection, what is the, there's two different types of - I know I'm very, I'm lost in this, in the science of it. It says that all way, the first is that all waves travel at the same speed, which I was like, okay, that's not what we're looking for right here.

1:22:15It says they all travel at the speed of light. The waves do. Visible or gamma, right? So they, those reach us in a few seconds. But then I'm seeing they end up traveling up to a million miles a second. Whoa. So that's what I'm like, I'm trying to find out which waves are the ones we're talking about then. So how many million miles away is that faster than light? Millions miles a second. I guess, I, in my head, I was about to do that calculation next. I think it is, but I don't know. Really? Exactly. It's, the speed of light is like, it's something meters per second. This is how we figure out time travel.

1:22:47These motherfuckers, it's like 278 ,000 meters per second or something. I guess that could be close to million miles per second. I don't know. Either way, that motherfucker is not stable. Dude. That sun, I mean, it's fairly stable. But every now and then, it'll blow a gasket. And you get just crazy waves headed towards us. That'll just, I have a really crazy friend that just might fucking freak out. One new moment. I'm going to a bar. I've got PTSD and stuff. LSD. No, he's a good dude. I swear. All sunny. He's got a DEI. What was the worst version of it? Wasn't there something that happened that took out like, Morse code towers in the 1800s?

1:23:29I think there was one big historical mass ejection that was documented within the last couple hundred years that they say if it happened today, we would be really fucked. That this same thing if it happened today. The Carrington event is what it's called. West intense geomegetic storm and recorded history. When was that one? September 1st. That's the second of 1859. And so the Carrington event, most intense geomatic net extorm recorded history, peaking from 1 to 2 September 1859 during solar cycle 10, created strong, auroral displays that were reported globally and caused sparking and even fires in multiple telegraph stations.

1:24:10Yeah. So like, what the fuck would that do today? So it just blows up everything that has electricity in it. Yeah, it just cooks everything. Dude, what if everybody's car just blew up? Everybody's fucking house. Oh, yeah, probably would probably cook your fucking computer in your car. September 1st is Carrington was sketching on sunspots. He was blinded by a sudden flash of light. Carrington described it as a white light flare according to NASA space flight. The whole event lasted about five minutes. The flare was a major coronal mass ejection, a burst of magnetized plasma from the sun's upper atmosphere, the corona.

1:24:46At in 17 .6 hours, the coronal mass ejection traversed over 90 million miles between the sun. OK, that's the distance. She's on the earth, 150 million kilometers. And unleashed its force on our planet according to NASA space flight, it usually takes CMEs multiple days to reach Earth. The day after Carrington observed the impressive flare, Earth experienced an unprecedented geomagnetic storm with telegraph systems going, hey, wire in a rural displays, normally confined to polar latitudes visible in the tropics according to NASA science. Carrington put two and two together and realized that the solar flare he'd seen was almost certainly the cause of this massive geomagnetic disturbance.

1:25:29This was a connection that had never previously been made according to NASA space flight. The solar storm of 1859 is now known as the Carrington event in his honor. Wow. So if that happened today, what Google what would happen if the Carrington event happened today? Let's find that one. You're fucking self. It just blows up. Oh, probably. He probably cooks everything. But that's what's really scary is that all of our cars are controlled by computers. Unless you have an old car that has a carburetor, you're fucked. Unless you have an old ass, you know, that 1988 Toyota truck, you're in a bad spot.

1:26:07Right there. What would happen with a Carrington event today? People ask. First one. Click on that. Um, as such, Hudson suggested that a solar flare on the level of Carrington event might not pose as big a threat to humankind as some fear still. A Carrington event pointed at Earth today would have substantial impacts mainly on human activities in space. Also, wouldn't kill our grid? Not right on. I think they're just fucking guessing. Yeah, they don't want to freak people out, dude. Oh, I don't know. Because if it's never happened, how do you know what would happen? Also, that one, the Carrington event, we don't really totally know how big it was.

1:26:48Right, because they didn't have the instruments to measure it back then. And what if there's one that's double that? I mean, if that can happen, something bigger can happen. It's not, I mean, we've only been around a short amount of time. The fucking sun's been around for billions of years. Like, how long is it ever now? And then it shoots off a big wattage, is it? And blasts us with some plasma. It destroys all our technology. He's just up there. You know, when they first started observing gamma ray bursts in the universe, they thought that there was wars going on in space. Well, yeah, when they first started detecting these gamma ray bursts, they found that they were happening like every couple seconds all over space.

1:27:32And they were reading too much science fiction. No, no, they realized what they didn't know what it was. Like, what are these bursts? And then they realized there's something called hypernovas. So if a hypernovate, like if our sun goes hypernova, that's a wrap. That's a wrap for everything. It just blows up. Yeah, but it did. And that's what they're detecting all over the place. Yeah. So, suns are always fucking blown up. Yeah. Well, there's so many of them. Eventually, they reach the end of their life cycle. And if they hypernova, if they're big enough, they have enough mass and they hypernova, that's a wrap for the whole solar system.

1:28:03Yeah, I think it's a wrap for other solar systems that are close by too. I think it's a wrap for pretty much everything. But maybe you get to that point where, is this Jamie? Capture is a supernova. Hypernovas is actually even bigger than a supernova. So this is the hubble telescope captured a supernova. But there was a, I think it was a science channel had this documentary on hypernovas, where these people were talking about how when they first started measuring them, they're like, oh shit. Because this is like post -World War II, we understand atomic bombs. Like what do these guys have? Like these guys are blowing up whole planets out there.

1:28:46Like, oh fuck, imagine thinking that the universe is teaming with life and that life is so violent that it's blowing up planets. Total Star Wars shit. You'd have to, if you were that scientist, you just have to be like, holy fuck. What do I tell people? Yeah. And you wouldn't, do you probably wouldn't want to tell them that, but you'd have to tell like the generals, I would think there might be fucking Star Wars going on. I'm sure they had meetings. I'm sure they had meetings. When they first detected these things, I'm sure they were like, oh Jesus, guys. Okay, Mr. Eisenhower, we've got some problems.

1:29:17We're gonna do. We might not be shit after all. Yeah. Well, we're something to us. But in the greater scheme of it all, I mean, the universe doesn't seem to care if it cooks entire solar systems. Every couple of seconds. Well, cause I mean, the universe has to know more than we do. So we're over here thinking we're all bad ass. How do we know it's not better if he gets apt and then you fucking appear in a different dimension. That's probably what happens. Yeah. What are hyponovas? I was gonna show you this one. I was just finding on this video about the largest supernova ever. SN1572, which I guess that's the year.

1:29:55So it was visible for 23 days. Oh my God. 362 nights. Wow. So then like I'm watching the video. This is non -scientific. It looked like a star or a planet that wasn't actually there if they were observing it for so long. They would have ended up in a book. And I don't know what they have thought was going on. It was a supernova back then. Like how much did they know about that? How big did they say they saw? Did they talk about it? Well, I'm trying to just go off without listening to them. I'm just going off pictures and words and stuff. Not quite sure though. You imagine living back then. You see some fucking flare in the sky.

1:30:33That's what they look. Yeah. Look at that bullshit telescope. He puts his eye up to it and it just fries his fucking eye out. Oh right. Imagine. Yeah, those dummies are just standing. He's looking right at this supernova. Did you watch the clips? The last one? Yeah. You didn't see it? No. Oh my God. It was wild, man. It was weird. I saw the one before that I was down in Santa Fe. Oh yeah. And so I was outside, but I can't remember what I was doing, but I was like, oh, there's in clips. That's how I had a touch. I am, dude. I don't even hear anything about it. Well, this was such a big one that everybody was preparing and, you know, Rokus sent us some sunglasses.

1:31:08So I went out in my backyard and watched it. It was pretty dope, man. It's weird to hear all the birds stop chirping. Like everything stopped. All the sounds stopped. And then you just have this bizarre moment for a couple of minutes where it's dark out. Yeah. It's all weird and empty. And then the clips looked amazing. It's so weird that the sun and the moon are the perfect size that they line up that way. That gets people like weirded it out. They go, how is, what are the odds? Is there any other planet in our solar system that experiences that? Yeah. Oh, shit. What are the odds that the one planet that has intelligent life that it's blocked out perfectly by our moon?

1:31:54And what does that, what does that do? Like, I don't know, man. Like, it may be a superstitious or something, but I think those cosmic cycles. I think it's a reminder. Yeah. I think it's certainly a reminder of just the vastness and bizzardness of space itself when you realize like, oh, there's a giant nuclear explosion in the sky that keeps the lights on. Yeah. And then there's this other, it's blocked. Yeah, the other fucking rock that just blocks it out is perfectly, yeah, sized and shaped. And that rock is also perfectly sized to give us a stable, stable gravity that we're not wobbling enough so that we don't vary too much in our temperature.

1:32:38It keeps us stable because it's pretty big. That moon's pretty fucking big. And the tides and everything. Oh, shit. It's all very weird. What the antie clips of one of the moons of Mars looks like. It's so small and not doesn't fit perfectly. Yeah, it doesn't fit perfectly at all. It just goes across it. So that's the shadow that it casts that weird. Yeah. I wonder if there's, are there any other planets in the solar system that would experience an eclipse that's similar to ours? I was trying to just look at that. Like, I was thinking Saturn's got multiple moons. Is there any way? It kind of would have to be a one up in one time.

1:33:14Right. It would have to be a moon. Like, one of them would have to line up and it'd have to be the same size as the sun. In terms of like how it fits in the sky, the distance so that it's the perfect size to block it out. Because it's so perfect. Like you all you see is like as it passes over, you just see the outside light. You see this black circle in the outside light. And this is a weird ring. It's perfect. Yeah. It's perfectly established to give us an eclipse. That is weird when you think about it. It is, but the whole thing's weird. Yeah. It's probably one of the least weird things about space.

1:33:49Yeah. I mean, like I had an astronomy class in high school and that class would just trip me out hearing about how infinite and like the white dwarves and the pulsars and all the shit that's out there that they can see so far out there as wild. And then I got really sad when Eddie said space is fake. I don't think he's an expert. I like Eddie. It's a really good joke, and people though. Because you be hoiler. I'm going to listen to you. There's some real interesting stuff that's going on now where they're finding galaxies that are so far away and are so far formed. They're so well formed that they don't think that they should exist given the timeline of the universe.

1:34:34They're very confused as to how these things exist where they exist that they shouldn't have been formed in this way. And this one of those fucking things. Well, I think what it is is it's probably the universe is probably older than we think it is. I think they're just with the web telescope. They're just starting to be able to detect these structures in deep space that they're so far away and they're so old that they shouldn't be able to exist if the Big Bang happened 13 .7 billion years ago. Maybe they found a way to stabilize themselves. Because you got to think like if you're the right place, the right time, your technology, your technology advances high enough before you destroy yourself.

1:35:15Maybe you don't have a planet where everybody likes to kill each other and you have world wars every fucking hundred years. And you don't nuke whatever and you build your technology in a good way. Maybe you could stabilize it so fucking Big Bang happens and you got some time wave zero shit that you know. That's the least likely. The most likely we have a bad understanding of how old space is. Galaxies that shouldn't exist keep being discovered by the James Webb space telescope. Bright red spec appears against the backdrop of a space photo, but astronomers say that it shouldn't be there. But there it is published today in the national journal nature.

1:35:52An international research team led by Carl Glazenbrook from Swineburn University of Technology in Melbourne says that the light reaching Earth from this galaxy named J. W. S. T. 7329 is 11 .5 billion years old and comes from an ancient assembly of stars likely formed 13 billion years ago. It doesn't make sense because it's been thought until now there wasn't enough dark matter in the early universe to prompt this formation. Current understandings of what grows a galaxy suggests that dark matter halos which are filled were fields of invisible material in space coalesce and collect stars and galaxies within their structure.

1:36:33It's only because of the James Webb space telescope that the team has been able to clarify what the red spec was in 70 years of long observations using ground based keck the Hawaii observatory in the VLT in Chile. All they could see was a faint red smudge. NASA's James Webb telescope it's been such an incredible thing. Been waiting for the last 30 years. Been delivering all those dreams we've had Glazenbrook tells cosmos. This is something we've been working on over the years deeper and deeper surveys looking for the oldest and most massive galaxies that formed. We did the calculations of how old it is and it's way beyond the bounds of what's reasonable to form in the cold dark matter dominated universe.

1:37:12It's really a huge puzzle. So I think they have crude instruments, relatively crude instruments for seeing that far back and they keep getting better and the James Webb is better than the Hubble and the more they can see the more it reveals puzzles. They're just not exactly sure what the fuck is going on out there. It's big and when they find out it does not make you wonder what the fuck what's the answer. Well they also don't even know if the big bang was actually the beginning of the universe. There's a lot of people including Roger Penrose think the big bang that the universe existed before the big bang and that there's also people that believe that there might be this constant cycle of big bang expansion and then ultimately compression and then big bang again.

1:38:03That makes sense because it's like how is there nothing? How is there just nothing and then all of a sudden a big bang. Yeah it'd be more likely like everything expands. Was that a track? It isn't a weird thing to think how is there something? If there wasn't if there wasn't nothing why is there something? Yeah. Why is there always been something? That seems even less likely. Like what the fuck is that? Right. I mean we got to like assume if there's something now probably always stuff was something. But how could it always be something? What did it how did it start? That's the freaking. Yeah that's the question like if you ever got to meet God you'd be like what predated you?

1:38:48Right. What created you? Right. You know? Right. And your mind blows. And he'd be like chat GP2. And then you'd be like I am a fucking cyborg. I think we're going to find out some very interesting stuff for the next five years. I think in the next five years things going to get real fucking squirrely. Yeah. But you know you kind of just there's no other choice than to look forward to it. Well I mean no one's going to hit the brakes. Yeah. We're going to ride this out and enjoy it. So you just got to think well is we live in interesting times? We definitely live in interesting times. Yeah. I think the most interesting times because you know there was an interview recently where someone was talking about this and he was saying that this is what the first time in history that no one has any idea what it's going to look like in 20 years.

1:39:40Or probably even five. Probably even five. Yeah. Because the way everything's expanding exponentially, kind of leads you to believe it's going to continue to do that. And then what are those unpredictable changes going to be? Right. You know my fucking life is completely different than it was five years ago bro. Unpredictable shit happened to me and but I don't know. Well the whole world's different than it was four years ago. Right. COVID comes along. Everything changes. Yeah. The whole world's different now. So like what yeah what does that look like? What does it look like five 20 years from now?

1:40:15It's going to be weird man. I'll tell you that. There's no way it's not going to be weird. It's weird already. You know. Yeah it is but it's it's almost like do you live your life? Fucking worrying about it? Or do you just say I'm alive. Just fucking check it out. This is going to be wild dude. We don't know because one of those solar flares could take everything out and then we don't even have a show to watch. At least there's something to do. Well it's definitely something to do and you definitely can't stop it. So you definitely should just live your life and enjoy it. But it doesn't make it any less fascinating.

1:40:47You know it is absolutely fascinating. Yeah. But this is the timeline that we're in for whatever reason. That's what gets real weird. It's like why are we in this timeline? Everyone listening to this right now. Everyone watching us right now. Why are you in this timeline? Why is this the time that you exist? Have you existed before? Is this your first time in this timeline? You know everybody wants to assume it is. Like someone said to me once that they wouldn't like... There's this theory I'm sure you're aware of this theory that you live the same life over and over and over again until you get it right.

1:41:21You know the enlightenment is possible. You have to you you got to go at it over and over and over and over and over and over again until you nail it. And I was talking with a friend of mine and I was like oh fuck I wouldn't want to do that. I'm like okay if you wouldn't want to do that do you like life now because I love life now. I'm having a great time. So someone said to me that I have to do this all over again. Why would that be so bad? Why am I scared of that? But everybody's scared of that. Everybody's scared of starting from scratch again being a baby again. But remember when you were a white belt?

1:41:55Sure. It was fucking awesome. Not really. Well no I... I'm talking about looking forward to learning. Sure. And maybe I should say blue belt. But it's like... I got smashed a lot of the blue belt. I like looking forward to this big journey. You know what I mean? Like when I first started doing Kung Fu when I was like 19 or 20 I didn't know it and we didn't have to get choked so it was just fun. Right. You know? And I was like oh I don't know anything about this but I have so much to learn. It's going to be so cool. And then after years and years I'm kind of jaded. I've done it so fucking long.

1:42:32I don't think I really even appreciate it anymore. I know what you're saying. Yeah there's a thing that you can get jaded by a thing. Yeah. And new things are all very exciting. That's why it's really important for people. It's just for the health of your mind to try new things. Yeah. Or to try things where you're not that good at. To try to keep getting better. Because it's like this thing that you have to do to practice and learn. It's in riches the way you think about everything. Yeah. It's so valuable to be able to do that and to be able to realize you're doing that and you're capable of learning new things.

1:43:03And that really is what makes you live is dude. And that is why people get stagnant. Because it's like when you were a kid you were always trying to learn something new. You weren't like oh fuck I'm jaded. I just man I don't know what I'm going to do. You were trying to learn. Absolutely. And so if you continue to do that, learn and play and just accept and have fun. You don't have to get old. You don't have to get stale. You don't have to get bored. You can fucking enjoy this life. You can. Yeah. You certainly can if you find things that they're exciting. That's the saddest thing I think. If someone doesn't have a thing.

1:43:45Someone doesn't have a thing that excites them. Doesn't engage with something that stimulates them. I think you need it as a human organism. The human organism needs little puzzles and stuff to do. Makes it exciting for it. If you don't do that, you're going to feel shitty. Yeah you do. You get bored. God the best most happy times in your life are when you have all these exciting projects. You don't know if it's even going to work. But like holy shit I'm going to try. I'm going to get excited about this and fucking go after it. Hey let me ask you this about your work. Because I was wanted to ask you this question.

1:44:20When you're painting crazy horse. Is there any part of you that doesn't want to do that? Because it's like crazy horse did not want to be photographed. So you have to paint what you imagine crazy horse would be. It's kind of crazy that that dude got so you know no pun intended. Got so famous and managed to avoid having this picture taken. I think he knew there are mug shots. I think when I look back at all those the photographs. I think they were fucking he wasn't he was a smart dude. He didn't want his picture out there so he couldn't be identified. Because they were trying to kill him. They're definitely trying to kill him.

1:44:59I think like you know I definitely do a lot of spiritual work. I do spiritual work. But no like spiritual introspection. And you know I like I have friends from the Oglala tribe who are like related to him that I talk to and learn stories from the Lakota the Oglala themselves. So I try to have a deep insight for it. Do a lot of research what he really would have looked like. And also just think is this is this the right thing to do? Do I have permission to do this? And if that kind of comes through and the Lakota themselves. They don't get a hold of me in that problem. And I talk to them about it.

1:45:43Then it's okay. But it's like it's not from an actual photograph. Of course. It's just from your mind. Yeah well not even that. I try to like I think about black elks description of them and just try to put together the facial features of my mind. How did they deal with that sculpture? That giant sculpture of Crazy Horse? The one that hasn't been finished yet? I don't know but I don't really. I like the idea of what they're doing. But it doesn't look that much to me like how I imagine looking. It's weird. How do you do a giant sculpture of a guy and say it's this guy? You don't even know what that guy looked like.

1:46:24I know. How do you do it? I think they're doing that to kind of just pay tribute to him. It seems like a weird thing to do though. Well because I don't think I don't know. I don't want to talk shit. There's like one family that's doing this. Yeah. And I don't want to talk shit on this dude's project. What is that image of him scroll up where you did right above that right there. Right there. Click on that. That's a bronze statue or something. That's supposed to be Crazy Horse?

1:46:54Random stuff. Random stuff. But he didn't he like cut pieces off of his body like before he went to war, cut like a hundred pieces off of his skin. That's sitting bull. Sitting bull did that? Didn't Crazy Horse do that as well? No. Crazy Horse didn't participate in a lot like the Sundance where you're No. I mean he cut like pieces of his skin off like marked his skin. No he that was sitting bull. See if there's a story about Crazy Horse before we go to battle cutting pieces of his skin off because I thought I thought they said that Crazy Horse he did it as well. That he had like like cut little pieces of himself off of his arms.

1:47:32That he little scars all over his arms. I hadn't heard that but I heard sitting bull before the battle of Little Big Horn. Before the battle Little Big Horn sitting bull cut like a hundred pieces off his shoulders and his back. Maybe that's what I'm remembering. And all that to get a vision of what the battle was going to be like and then he stared into the sun and he saw all these soldiers falling into the camp. And so that's where because sitting bull was kind of like the the general he was a little older at the time. Oh the battle and he had a bad wound on his leg but he was a visionary really respected medicine man leader and Crazy Horse was the actual fighter so he'd go and kind of lead the troops and do the actual fighting.

1:48:19Did you find anything about Crazy Horse cutting pieces of his skin off? So maybe I'm fucking it up. But the the thing that gets me is that they had these methods. I mean these are people that are living in a time where you had to be pragmatic. You couldn't you couldn't pretend that you could see things if you did a certain thing. You were trying to achieve a vision so they had probably done it before and they had methods to do it. And a lot of their methods involved pain. Like the thing where they pierced their nipples and suspend them. Yeah, Sundance. Crazy shit man. They did these things in a time where you know you're living a subsistence lifestyle.

1:49:00You don't have a lot of time for fucking around for nonsense. And yet they found value in like self torture. Well it's I mean it kind of do you have any paintings on the Sundance? No I was I was working on a painting of a Sundancer that has the white sage. They'd put white sage around their head like this kind of like a halo and then a wear eagle bone whistle here. Pain themselves white with the spots there. And you're suspended. Yeah hanging by your nipples. And you have to not eat for four days, not drink water. And everybody around the village like gets to tease you and throw little spear twigs at your legs and shit and just like it's a four days.

1:49:46It's an endurance ritual. And eventually it rips out of your chest. Yep once it rips out and like dude friends of mine from South Dakota they still have those those scars like this. Bro. Yeah. Did you ever see male cold horse? A metafuckian. Yeah I own that. I got that on DVD. That was what was that gentleman's name? Richard Harris. That's right. Yeah. He goes through that ritual. Yeah. There's always that story though about that's why people get angry. There's a story about the white guy who goes and kicks ass with the Indians. Everything shut the fuck up. Cause it like doesn't give the Indians enough credit.

1:50:22Right. In a way. Right. That one you can see has a little bit of the white savior thing to it. Sure. But it's not it's not like they're not giving you something. They're that's what I think is the native culture has taught me so much. That's why I paint it. That's why I got into that as a kid because it was an alternative to mind prison of the system of the schools. I could see in the people's eyes that they were free, that they were real, that they were powerful individuals. And I wanted to follow that. I didn't want to listen to like my second grade teacher who is you know nothing I ever want to be like.

1:51:02Right. So I'd those books. And I still have those books. You know, that's what inspired me to do this. And that's what keeps me going and sharing it with the world. Because I want to say this is a valuable amazing culture that we blindly destroyed and committed a genocide on. There are millions of people over here and the whites came over and we're just so fucking dumb that they just they wasted a lot of good knowledge. But there's still pieces of it alive. And maybe we could do it. We can to pay that back learn from it. My my my fear is that if it wasn't for the ability to use media in the 20th and 21st century.

1:51:44We might have lost the true story forever. Yeah. You know, you have a imagine if we did you know because the world wasn't much different in terms of our technological capabilities from like 1500 to 1700. Right. Right. But from 1800 to the year 2000 it's a giant fucking difference. And that's when people started going, hey what what what happened? We should write books like real books. I mean, you fucking really researched this. It's a perspective. I remember the first time I read Empire of Summer Moon, which is about this place right here. Right where we're at. I was like, Jesus. Like how could we, how did I not know this?

1:52:23Yeah. How did how does this not taught in school? Like what happened? It is a fascinating story. I know. And you do really really have to wonder that. Yeah. Why is that left out when it's one of our best stories? Like I was talking to some of these guys out here earlier about, you know, why is Kwanis story just not as popular as like Custer and Crazy Horse? Right. Kwanaparker. Yeah. And I think it's because it's more complex. It's not as easy as like the one guy from the one culture, the one battle, Custer, Crazy Horse fight. Right. Done. It's more of like it's all over. There's Jack Hayes. There's you know Kwanaparker.

1:53:05There's the formation of the Texas Rangers. There's a technology of the cult. And there's another example of Cynthia Ann Parker. Another example of someone who was kidnapped at a young age, became a command she and then they rescued her and she's like, I want to be rescued. Yeah. I want to go back. Trying to escape. Yeah. Yeah. It's what a time, man. And so sad how she, like how she died thinking that Kwano was dead and he wasn't. Yeah. And just how much he like wanted to honor her memory and how much, you know, he loved his mom and he like what a good dude he was. Like just such a badass warrior and then he was also a diplomat and took care of everyone and built that star house.

1:53:46You know, also kind of crazy that he killed all the white people. Yeah. And still managed to like meet the pressure and hang out with everybody. But people left like for gave shit back then. Like yeah, let's let that go. That's the time we live in. Everybody was murdering everybody back then. That's what was really wild. It's like just human life back then was worth so much less. Yeah. People were so much more savage. Dude, the story of just Texas and the fucking Comanches is so wild and it's so unappreciated. And I like I really think that with with our country and our culture, we really do have a cool history.

1:54:25That was so that's so unique where you know what I mean nothing like that really ever happened. And like to your point, we had a way to keep records of it. But there's dude, there's all these rad stories about native history. Like there's this dude, William Weatherby. If you can look up the story of William Weatherby, the Creek Warrior, Red Eagle. He led this big rebellion of the Creek Indians and the government hired Andrew Jackson, who was later president. I think to go fight him, he's this big civil war general. And these creeks would build these big fortifications and try to fight off the army and they blow it apart with cannons and just slaughtered like you know hundreds of creeks fought this big protracted war with him like in Alabama.

1:55:13Nobody even knows about the fuck Creek War or who William Weatherby is. But when you hear his story dude, he's like William Wallace of America. You wouldn't believe this motherfucker, okay? His whole village is getting wiped out and there and he's a leader and they're like, where's William? I was gonna say Wallace, where's William Weatherby? Weatherford? Is it weatherford? I couldn't find a weatherby, but I got a weatherfer. Weatherby's rifle. Yeah, okay, weatherford. So anyway, he's this Creek Warrior and he's like the leader and he's getting tracked down and they're trying to find him and they're like basically it's kind of like the Braveheart, how they're like.

1:55:45Why does he have an American name? I mean back then they were interacting a lot with the English and it wasn't uncommon for a native to have a white name. I think it was half white, half Indian too. But he was such a bad astute. So they're basically like saying if you don't, if Red Eagle, that's his Indian name, doesn't come in, we're gonna just really devastate these people. We're gonna, you know, all your people are gonna be having a bad time. So they were like basically gonna hurt his tribe if he doesn't surrender, okay? And so he's riding in to surrender and he sees a deer, if I can shoot it, picks it up, guts it, throws it over his saddle and keeps riding in to go surrender, right?

1:56:27And he gets there to Andrew Jackson and he's like, if I had an army, I'd fight you to the death. But you've killed all my warriors and I only have women and children and I'm not gonna let them suffer so you can chase me. So here I am. Fucking kill me if you want to. Do whatever. What did it do to him? Well, Andrew Jackson actually said this dude's so brave, let's have a drink. They went in the tent, drank some whiskey. And as they're in the tent, everybody's chanting, all the soldiers are chanting. See, there he is. Kill him, kill him, kill him. That's the soldiers big chance all around from the army.

1:57:11Kill him, kill him, kill him. Jackson walks out. Everyone's quiet. Let me tell you, Red Eagle is the bravest motherfucker of all of y 'all. And if anybody touches their hair on his head, you're gonna answer to me. Don't fuck with Red Eagle. And let's go. Imagine being a fly on the wall during that meeting. Yeah. See that guy coming and sit down. Yeah. But just the bravest, if you read this story and he gives this incredible speech, like I didn't really do it justice, but he's just very eloquent, you know, says this shit and is like, do what you want with me. Don't fuck with my people. I don't.

1:57:48The history of Native Americans is so many people don't know what happened. So many people don't know that Native Americans went to Paris and met with whoever the hell was in charge back then. Yeah. Crazy shit. Dude, the actual truth is stranger than fiction. Yeah. You know, because we, like the people right and fucking movies are going to go, I don't want to try that. A fucking hard cowboy Indian. Right. Put it in the can, whatever they say. I wonder if someone's going to do like a real realistic movie about the Comanche and the Texas Rangers. The dude, the Yellowstone dude doing the Empire of a Summer Moon.

1:58:25That's right. Is he doing that? Is that official? That's going to be what he'll do it right. Taylor Sheridan knows what the fuck he's doing. He'll do it right. If anybody should be entrusted with that, did you see 1883? Oh, yeah. Amazing, right? Amazing. I mean, so good. And how the like the Lakota's how they put the the feces on the animals to poison them. Yellowstone, Taylor Sheridan, lands Empire of the Summer Moon. We'll write in direct epic Comanche leader, Kwana, and the rise and fall of Old West fiercest tribe January 18, 2024. Fuck yeah. He's going to nail it. What's that going to be like?

1:59:00It's going to be incredible. I hope that the Westerns come back as a genre. Because I really think we should take pride in our history more. You know what I mean? I think it would bond us more as just like, we're Americans. Are our like ancestors? They fucking went across the sea. They went across the continent. They fucked with the Comanages. Like they were brave. They're crazy. That's who our ancestors are. They should be honored, dude. We should be thinking about them going, we're Americans. We're badass. We won the fucking World War II. You know, some of us had a couple of lone stars. Not an American.

1:59:38We're fucking Americans. You know what I mean? We fucking did it, bro. Like this is the history, dude. It's a fascinating history. It's certainly a fascinating history. And it's riddled with horror stories. Horror stories and amazing accomplishments and brave people. And all of it mixing together. Yeah. Crazy stuff. Listen, brother, no one captures it better. No one captures the Native American imagery and just the feeling of it better than you. Your stuff's awesome, man. And it's been dope getting to become friends with you. Yeah. Same here, dude. I can't thank you enough. Being here is such an honor.

2:00:11You know, helping me get my R out there to the world. I just can't thank you enough, bro. Oh, I'm more than happy. More than happy that people get to see your shit. It's awesome. Yeah. Well, I'm going to keep trying to put good stuff out there. You will, I'm sure. You know, I have 100 % faith in you. Everything you do is dope. I appreciate a lot. What's up, Jamie? Oh, I thought you said something. Oh, listen, man. Thanks for coming. Appreciate it. Tell everybody how they can see your stuff. Finds online. You can just look me up online. Greg over to find art. Instagram Greg over to find art. I'll be in Santa Fe during Indian market.

2:00:49Mid August and I'll be at the fucking Jackson Hole art auction. There it is. One man show Jackson Hole art auction in September. And that's the fucking top of the top. So there it is. I see you. All right. My man. Appreciate you very much, man. Thank you for coming. Yeah, man. Bye, everybody.

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