#2154 - Remi Warren

24:49You have to, I don't agree with any of that. I think you just have to be good at doing it that way. Right. And you're obviously very good at doing it that way. Like I've shot with you with targets. I've seen you shoot like at distances. You're really accurate. Yeah. And you're still doing it the way they say you're not supposed to do it. Yeah. But that's a trouble, man. I was too hard -headed and I taught myself a bad way to do it. I've changed the way that I shoot from when I first started shooting. But yeah, it's not, it's probably not pretty. But I do, I actually do more of a, I do, I use a, in index release, which is just like a post where you activate it with your hand.

25:27And you're like, you know, you're a trigger. But the way that I've done it is I use kind of more of like a back tension style pulling with that. I used to just slap the trigger and was super accurate with it. That's a camp, though. Yeah, you know what's funny is I, that's how I started shooting. And I was actually, I was shooting like tournaments and like 3D things just, you know, getting, getting my foot in the door. They just were fun in the off season. I never got too super serious because it cut into hunting. But I do it and I was winning like by a lot in this guy that I was shooting with.

25:59It's like, you're shooting absolutely wrong. Like that. And it got in my head. It's like to me. And I was like, wait, I'm doing it wrong. Like nobody's ever told me how to do it. That messed me up. But that's what I was saying. It was like, it's just a mind. It's a mind fog. It's a, there's no way to do it wrong. Look, camp shoots that way. He's one of the best bow hunters has ever walked the face of the earth. He shoots that way. Yeah. He makes that thing go off. Yeah. And then there's Dudley who doesn't. Right. You know, Dudley who will shoot with a hinge sometimes or shoot with a back tension.

26:32Yeah. But I'm also, you know, my thing is I shoot a bow for hunting. And so for hunting, that's the best dollar release in my opinion. And I'm very accurate with it. So I'm not trying to shoot 900 X's in a row. Like I'm trying to make one perfect arrow. And so I can focus on that one shot. And that release works better for me for hunting. So that's why I choose it. Why do you think that the wrist strap with the finger trigger is the best one for hunting? Yeah. Because it's always on you. Okay. You have to reach for it. You don't have to reach for it. You don't have to move for it. It's like always there.

27:07And then the other thing is, you know, they talk about like don't punch the trigger whatever. But in certain situations, I need that arrow to go now. I don't need to be pulling through the shot. Right. This is my opportunity. And I can see. But you might be shooting in a window. Yeah. Or in the wind. And I've got to camp the boat just right. And I need to make like a more technical shot that maybe not that it's rushed, but it's like this is winning. This one has to happen. Yeah. And so it can happen the other way. But for me, it's just easier to be like in full control of that decision making.

27:44There's also an argument on the other side now in target archering like Kyle Douglas. Like Kyle Douglas, he, he, it's a trigger. And he wins Vegas. Right. Yeah. And he just, uh, he's, he pulls so hard that he's pulled bows apart. Really? Yeah. So he pulls on the wall so hard. So he's just got that motherfucker locked out. And he uses, uh, in indoor tournaments, he uses a thumb and hunting. He's the finger trigger. Yeah. I love it. It's like, it's like you're doing it wrong. Scoreboard. He won. He's doing it right. Like you can't, there's that thing. Like there's, if you can do that with a sniper right, like I had a long conversation with Andy Stumpf about this, who was in seals and he's a sniper.

28:27And I was, you know, we're talking about like methods. And he's like, there's as long as you're repeatable, you know how to do this one method. Like this mindset of there's only one way to do it. It has to be an unanticipated shot. He's like, yeah, no, like you, if you're a sniper, it's not an unanticipated. Right. You just don't move. Don't flinch. Like if you've ever, one of the proudest things if you ever go to a range is when you run out of ammo, but you don't flinch, you just squeeze the trigger. You're like, oh, that's beautiful. Yeah, it's beautiful. Like even though there's no, nothing, the gun doesn't go off, you didn't do any of this stupid shit.

29:04You didn't move your hands. And if you can just do that with a shot, you can make a perfectly accurate shot by deciding when it goes off. It is possible. The idea that it's not possible, that's a silly thing to say. But is it possible for some people? Well, some people are spaz -as. Some people are freaked out by anxiety, the moment, the adrenaline, or they don't know how to keep their mind contained like with Joel Turner's methods, which I think anybody should know that. Anybody should know that. You should talk to yourself during it to keep yourself from just acting because of the anxiety, which is because it's a normal tendency that people have to spaz out.

29:46Yeah. I think the other thing too is like maybe there's ways that are probably best for most people. Now might be the way that's best for most people. But then there's also that, I think the people that have a lot of time into something can do it a different way than a lot of other people because they understand that moment. Right. So, there's a lot of people that they get drawn back on an elk. They've tried to get within range of an elk for five years. This is their opportunity and they don't know how to react to that without some other kind of complete freak out. Complete freak out. Doesn't matter what it is.

30:21There's also like in a situation where you might get a shot soon or you didn't know you're going to get a shot and also you do.

30:33Yeah. The gentleman just kicks in. You're just fucking heart's beating. Woo! But if you know it's going to happen like hey, stay chill. It's common. It's common. Like he's you know, he's a hundred yards away. He's moving in this direction. You might be getting a shot. Oh my God. He's he's common. He's still common. He's time we got to get in position. You give yourself time to experience that this is actually going to happen rather than he's just there. Ah! Right. And then you just he tries to stay calm. Arms. This episode is brought to you by Life Lock. Tax season is already stressful. You shouldn't have to worry about identity theft on top of everything else.

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33:4090 proof Franklin County, Kentucky Buffalo Trace, American family -owned, independent, and perfectly untamed. To move it all over the place? Yeah. It's just different experiences and whether or not your brain knows how to process those experiences. If you've had a bunch of those experiences, you're like, oh, I've been here before. Yeah. I know what this is. I know how to do this. Okay, it's going to happen. So stay calm. Pick a spot. Pull through your shot. Yeah. And even myself, like there's times where you go, it's actually the opposite for me. If something's surprising, it's like there, it's just like that's here.

34:19But it's when you've got to stalk all day on something. Like, I've invested my entire day into this or this is the last chance. Like, don't fuck it up. Yeah. Like you go, that's when you start to, okay, well, when I get there, here's what I'm going to do. Yeah. Talk yourself through it in a way. When you're going through the shot, do you talk to yourself as you're shooting, as you're pulling the trigger? No, but there's a little bit of a checklist just so I don't kind of like draw back anchor level focus kind of a, so you just go through that checklist in your head. Yeah, I think so. So do you, do you go through it like audibly or do you go through it where you just do the things?

34:58I do the things. Level, level, center, peep, go through all that line. Just I just make sure that I'm making the good shot and then I just focus on that shot. Do you have you ever tried the thumb triggers? Yeah, I shoot. I've got all kinds of releases and I'll shoot them all, but just for, I don't even know why, just for fun, I guess. Right. Or like, let's say I'm sometimes too if I'm like shooting and I go, God, this is, I'm just not shooting good. Then I'll swap up the way that I shoot and go, okay, there's something like my normal method of shooting is, yeah, maybe it's, I don't even know if you call it, like essentially a target panic kind of where I'm not shooting, right?

35:41Then I go, I'll grab that other one, okay. And then I get back in the rhythm and shoot. Do you find any difference in your accuracy with a handheld release, like a thumb trigger release versus a finger trigger release? I'm probably more accurate with the finger trigger because that's what I shoot all the time. You know, do you do the thumb behind the head thing with the trigger? Yeah. No. Cam does that. I do not do that. I do not do that. No. I mean, that's a good way to get your anchor point. I guess I don't, I'd have to do it. But I'll hit things. I do more of a knuckle experience on the job.

36:13Knuckle to the job. Yeah. What we're talking about folks, don't do archery is like you have specific anchor points on, so the whole idea about shooting accurately is that you want to repeat the exact same position that you're in each time you shoot. So there's a peep site that's in the draw in the string and you're looking through that peep site and what you're trying to do is center the site housing so that it completely halos inside of that peep site. And then you look down at your bubble and you want to make sure that your level, your bubble is level. So there's like a little leveler that's below your site pin and you make sure that that's level.

36:49So that means you're not going to be talking the bow left or right, accounting the bow, which could affect the way it goes off. And so you have anchor points like the tip of your nose and some people use like a little button on the string that they touch. Like Cam has one of those where it touches the corner of his mouth. I have a nose button. I like that. Have you ever tried those? I haven't. They're great because it's pointy. It like pokes your nose and you feel it on the tip of Josh Beaumont made it. So it touches the tip of your nose and it like digs into your nose. You know 100 % you're in the right spot because it just like poke on your nose like right there.

37:21And some people when they draw back, they'll tell you do not put your thumb behind your neck. Do not do that. But that's how Cam does it. And she's perfectly like that. And so I tried it. I can't do it right. I have to have my my neck is too big so I'd have to go like way back because I have to have a draw length that's longer than I really should have in order. But I fucked around with it and bent my arm forward a little bit and did it this way. And I was like, this is better because you're locked in. Right. Like how stable is that? If you get your thumb behind your head, behind your neck like that's fucking stable as shit.

38:03But that's locked in. That's way more locked in than holding it there. You know like if you're holding if you have like a hinge, you're doing like this, you've got your knuckle right where your jaw is generally or some spot in your face. That's not as accurate as this. This is like locked in. You're not going anywhere. But they'll tell you not to do it. And I've never had anybody explain to me. I think it's probably because most people like you said, if you're way back here, you're putting string pressure on your from your face onto the string. So it's pushing the knock one way or another. And so it'd be really hard to tune maybe because you're, you're, everything needs to be straight.

38:39And so you'd be pushing the knock one direction. That's the same. You could adjust it. You could factor in. But also you could use a different style release where if you had, you know, an index style release where that's there and it's forward enough, it wouldn't make a difference. Well, the thing about those adjustable ones when they have adjustable necks like the spot hog wise guy has an adjustable neck. You can make that sucker like real long or you can pull it down short. So you could find if your neck doesn't too big, like if you're a big giant football player, this is not going to work for you.

39:10But he wasn't, doesn't even work for me, but it works for Cam. He gets it right behind his neck. It locks in there. And I think like anything where you can anchor in and there's no other way you're anchoring that way, right? There's no other way you're anchoring forward. Like this is stops everything and it's fucking tracks. I think this is like the best thing you could ever do. If you could really make that work, I wish my neck was smaller so I could pull this off. I would do that because I feel like that is locked in there. Yeah, I feel locked in. And I've got like a small face. So I think it worked for me.

39:43But there's archery people out and right now, pulling their hair out, going, shut up. This is terrible advice. I know. Meanwhile, I've watched Cam and Shoot balloons at 120 yards like that. Yeah, I know. That's the thing. It doesn't matter what you do. There's always the armchair critics that know how to do it better. It's like, well, I got a certain kind of injury and I got to draw a certain kind of way. It looks like shit, but it works. Well, there's, there's a very similar situation in, I think, almost every sport. It's definitely in pool. There's so many different schools of thought and pool of like how you're supposed to stroke the ball.

40:16Whether or not you drop your elbow, whether or not you, what fingers you hold the cue with, whether you turn your wrist forward before you shoot or whether you always keep it parallel or dangling rather. So there's all sorts of, like I think it's with everything that people are struggling to master. Like people have ways that they think everybody should do it. And then someone will come along that does it like completely different and they're killing everybody. And they're like, what? What? Is it? Like when the Filipinos came to America, American pool players, they hold the, they would back in the day at least, they would hold the cue lightly, but not like the Filipinos.

40:56The Filipinos like, Efron Reyes is like one of the greatest of all time. He's like barely holding onto it. It's like his hand is like a loose noodle. And he's just like, it's smooth. Like he's playing a violin or something. It's wild to watch. And it's like this delicate way of hitting the balls, like maximum efficiency of his motion. It's all smooth. And they changed the way Americans are playing. But if you had had like an American coach, like if you played that way and sucked and you went to an American coach, they were like, what? Stop doing it that way. This is not the way you just stop your elbow moving.

41:29Your elbow is always supposed to do this. It's just a tiny motion just back and forth. And the upper part stays completely still. Always. These Filipinos are moving that shit around like crazy and playing like wizards. Like some of the best players today, they drop their elbows. They move things around. They have long bridges, short, buddy hall on the greatest of all time, short little tiny bridge. And some of the greatest players long ass bridge, like like Earl Strickland, long bridge. Like there's no, like it's all just repeatability. What can you do over and over and over and over again efficiently and accurately?

42:00And I think it's the same with archery. I think it's the same with pool. It's the same with a lot of things. There's fundamental principles. Like you have to be able to hit the ball straight if you want it to go straight, right? With an arrow, you have to be able to shoot a straight arrow. Do you know how to do that? Well, how come some people do it sideways? I've seen guys who like to do with compound bows sideways. Really? Yeah. What are you doing? I've seen, I guess they started that way with like traditional bows. Yeah, because you can't the bow on a traditional bow. And so they just kept doing it that way.

42:28And I'm sure you've seen guys who shoot compound bows with no sights. Yep. Like instinctive, which is really kind of wild. Yeah, or fingers or I mean, whatever. Because I like to, I like to hunt with a traditional bow too. So I do that every year as well. And the way that I shoot that is completely different than the way that I shoot a compound bow. I mean, because I actually just instinct, I do what's an instinctive method of traditional shooting where a lot of people do like different kinds of string walking or whatever. I just do the shoot the arrow, know the trajectory kind of like like you're throwing a rock.

43:04Yeah. Like if I'm going to throw and I just the way that I practice, I walk around with a blunt tip. It's just like a non sharp tip or practice tips. I walk around and I shoot pine cones in the forest. You know, that's like, but just engage the loop. The arc. And so you just build it and it just becomes instinct where it's like, if I'm going to toss a pen to Jamie or my phone to Jamie or they're there, it's like, it's like, I'm not going to throw it in space. Right. And I'm not going to like hit it on the floor. I'm going to toss it to him. Right. It's the same. You just like, you toss the arrow.

43:34Can you toss on when you're right hand now or is it fucked up? I mean, yeah, I guess I can't look. I look like a little girl. I did some one of those acts throwing things with my buddies and they're like, can you please stop? Just embarrassing. I'm going to fucking kill everybody. This is embarrassing. That is one good advantage of having your finger triggered though. You don't have to have all that weight held in your hand. Correct. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. You might actually, if you weren't the other way, you might actually have been forced to switch to a wrist strap. Potentially. Yeah. Does it, the wrist fuck with your wrist or all the wrist strap?

44:06It does. Yeah. Put the wrist on the one spot that we got that they did those injections, man. I'm hoping that I have a lot of, I think it's going to be awesome. Like it's going to make a big difference. It's, I, I can't. I can't say enough about ways to well and just stem cells in general. I mean, I've got a bunch from my friend, Roddy McGee in Vegas and the, what they do is fix things that you would ordinarily have to get surgery for. In your case with the torn ligaments, they would have to have surgery. Yeah. That's what they said. Yeah. Once it's ripped after that, you know, the recovery portion is where you need it.

44:43Exactly. And it just really helps heal injuries, man. Yeah. It really helps. I have, I have a left knee problem for a long time. Like I, I tore my ACL on my left leg when I was 22, I think. I tore it and then I had a surgery on it where they did a patelli tendon graft and they tried to suture up the meniscus because there was a tear in the meniscus as well. But the suture didn't take the meniscus tour and then had a bucket handle tear in the meniscus, which is pretty significant because it would lock my leg out. And so that I had to get some of the meniscus removed. So it's always like a little less stable there.

45:24There's a little space there and it gets banged around. It's always sore. And it got over the last couple of years. It's actually the stupidest fucking way I heard it ever. I was on my way on stage at Stubbs in Austin, which is outdoor venue. And as I was going up these cement stairs, the stairs take like a little turn. And I was turning the recorder on on my phone to record my set and I stubbed my foot against the stone and it twisted my knee sideways like somebody healed hooked me. And it was excruciating and I had to go on stage like right there. And my leg was shaking like I was scared. So like what the leg like like shaking like my first time like I didn't even shake like that my first time on stage.

46:07But it was like because it was just robbing and I had ignored it. I should have in retrospect, I should have like addressed it and made fun of the fact that I'm such a fucking moron that my leg was fucked for a long time after that. And it got a little bit better and then every time I get better, I would just start kicking the bag again or going back to Moitare, going to Jiu -Jitsu and it heard again. And I'm like fuck fucker. And so I went a whole year without kicking the back. One for me is crazy. I went a whole year. I'm like I'm just going to strengthen this. I follow this guy Ben Patrick.

46:41He's got this Instagram page knee over toes guy. I've never seen his stuff. Yeah, I think I just seen something. It's amazing. So I've been doing all these goblets, squats on a slant board and Nordic curls and all these different exercises to strengthen all the muscles around the knee, which I never really bothered to do. I would do leg exercises, but I didn't think specifically exercises that stabilize the knee. So between that and ways to well, I have zero pain now. It's crazy. That's awesome. This has been years since I had no pain. Years. I would go upstairs, it would just be annoying. I'd feel it.

47:18I could do it, but I would feel it. I don't feel it at all. I mean at all. It's nuts. It's nuts. And so the thing to me, it's always kicking the back. Because if I can kick the bag and then I'm not sore the next day, something's changed. Because it was like every time I'd kick the bag, the next day I'd be like, oh I'm going to pay for that. I'm going to pay for that. Walking around, it's kind of a little bit swollen. So I'm really, really hoping that that's going to have a similar effect on your wrist. Yeah, I'm pretty stoked. You know, like, yeah, you should know within fairly short amount of time.

47:48I'm like, well, because he shot you up with, what was exact? I don't even remember. It was a textum, right? Yeah, there was also. I wouldn't shoot him up with it. And IV plus some direct into the joint stuff. Yeah. I don't know. It was all gibberish to me. Yeah, they're talking about so million, millions of whatever. You go, okay. What exactly did you inject him with? I should have done this with voice. The voice is very accurate. I don't know how it is on your shitty Android phone. Yeah. But on these American phones, these real American Apple iPhones. I don't even, I just think it does it now.

48:28I love this. You guys are still talking. I talk shit, but I'm not an Apple fanboy. I love, I've had Samsung. I was very disappointed when I found out the moon photo wasn't real though. I was bragging to everybody. Look at my phone can do. Right. I could take a picture of the moon. But I mean, they're great pictures. It's great. It's so clear how is it doing? It's lying to you. They're like, it's no different than face filters. It's a lot different. If a face filter makes me look like Arnold Schwarzenegger, like then, you know, something's going on with that face filter, it's lying. Right. That moon photos a fucking lie.

49:04But other than that, they're amazing phones. I just, you know, I'm just locked in the fucking Apple ecosystem. But I love the rebels. Yeah. Like my friend, Brian Simpson, he's Android for life. He makes fun of everybody with Apple, Gordon Ryan, same thing. Android for life. And you, you know, you like annoying people. I do. I'm just like, my favorite thing is just breaking Greenbow. You know, and the best is like, I get taken off of group texts. I hate it. I hate it. Because they can't, I mess it just exactly. So I'm like, take me off. Sweet. Awesome. Thank you. Well, here that anyways, there's actually hearings about things now because some people are arguing that Apple has created an unfair monopoly on the cell phone world because of the whole green bubble, blue bubble, I message thing.

49:53It's such a psychological. Yeah. It's so weird. People are real attached to that. Well, it's a status thing with kids. If kids have Android phones, they get mocked. There's some nutty thing. It's like 90 % of teenagers have iPhones. Really? Because if you have like a Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra, which is arguably the best phone on Earth, if you have that phone, you give a green bubble. You looked at last and you have an iPhone 10 because you get a like a special color bubble. You get a blue bubble. Oh, yeah. Because you're eye messaging. You can have an old -ass iPhone and people respect you more.

50:26Well, you're not that poor. Yeah. But you can't. Literally, the Galaxy S24 Ultra is lit. Listen, forget about fanboy shit. It's the best phone on Earth. It's the best phone. It has AI built into the phone that will translate in real time, built into the phone. It has AI that will transcribe voice recordings and summarize it for you. Yeah. So you can make voice notes. It'll summarize it for you. It'll write texts in different styles. Like you can say, make this more business, make this more friendly. And it'll do that with AI. Yeah, it's pretty wild. That's nuts. And it has a stylus. You can write on it and it'll turn it into text.

51:11Yeah. Like you could write on it in your shitty ass handwriting and it'll transcribe it in a normal typeset. Yeah. You can take, I'll do a lot of filming or whatever with it. Photos. You can just like, it's pretty crazy. The stability of zooming in at 10 power and hand hold it. Yeah. It's pretty wild. And now when they're doing this, like with these phones, like Apple's phones don't give you nearly as much flexibility in terms of like what you can do with the camera app. Right. Or like, multitasking. The mother, that's another thing they do. You can, I can do anything like that. You have two windows going simultaneously.

51:47You can have a YouTube video. Well, you kind of can do that window and window. So you can kind of do that with Apple with YouTube. With YouTube will like let you have like a little tiny window. Right. But with this, it'll separate your screen for you. I can talk on the phone and watch a movie. Yeah. Yeah. Literally it'll separate your screen for you and show you the two things. It's pretty interesting. It's the amount of ver - but it's all that locked into that Apple world, which so many people including me are locked into that world. So if you do deviate, it's like, what do you do it? It's like, you're living in the woods now.

52:20You're a green bubble. People will probably listen to the public. I'd be like, I used to like that rimmy guy, but he said, I can't trust anything he says. Now, my God. It is interesting. I don't think that it's a monopoly. I just think that they've developed a way to make a product that everybody wants. I mean, it's a sneaky move. But like, how is that any different than like Nike? If you were a Nike, you're cool. If you were a kid, you're a fucking loser. Yeah. You know, it's like, do you notice when you have them on that much? I guess maybe you do by the way they look, but what's the difference?

52:51Like, why do you care? But people care. People care. It's a status thing. Yeah. It makes people angry. Like, I don't really give a shit. Like, I don't care what other people use. I just use what I like. What in count? What are problems do you encounter by using an Android phone? It's mostly just people complaining about the bubble situation. That's it. And I'm like, people are like, it's so on your phone is about, and I was like, no. Like, there's actually no, it doesn't even matter. I guess they started doing something like a screen or something. But on your phone, you can have your text and all kinds of different colors.

53:21Yeah, it doesn't matter. But you can change it. There's like different ways you can have that set up. That's the main problem. And then I think the other problem is when somebody sends like a photo, because, yeah, I don't know. I'm not a spokesperson. It's SMS. Yeah, it's the most old technology there is. And so you can't communicate with my phone not because your phone's superior, but because it doesn't use new technology. That's the argument that would Apple is the Apple is actually having to take a step to combat that. And so what they're doing is they're coming out with RCS texting. RCS texting is rich, something, I forget what it's called.

53:57But what that means is that you'll be able to have the same capability that you have, like, say, if you use WhatsApp or Signal, right? If you use one of those encoded messaging services, you can send a full resolution photograph you can send a video. Yeah. There's not like a size limitation. So with the iMessage, you can send anything back and forth to iMessage people. But if someone wants to send you a photo, they have to send an SMS. So it could be this, like, you know, huge, amazing high resolution photo that you took on your Android phone with that crazy 200 megapixel lens. Yeah. But I get this bullshit ass.

54:32Bro, you're fucking camera sucks. Exactly. Because it impresses the shit out of it. And the videos are the worst. They're the worst. Like, there's a little square. It is like you're back in 1998. Right. It's like, aol .com. You've got mail. That's what it looks like. Exactly. But it's like, just get your shit with the rest of the world, man. Apple should have done that a long time ago. They were only, like, Tim Cook literally said, get your mom an iPhone. When someone said, how come, you know, I can't text with my mom and back in the, get your mom an iPhone. That's what he said. My mother is like, whoa.

55:04That's not the way to handle it, fella. You're going to give people that. You're going to add shit. They just have everybody locked in. It's pretty smart. Whatever they've done, it's quite genius because the psychological aspect of it is, which it's interesting. You know, it's similar to, like, windows and max. But it's more because you're using it in public with everybody, whereas, like, if you have a window or a mat, like if you sent me an email and you from a window's laptop and I have a Mac laptop, I have no idea you're sending me from a window. It's just coming in as an email. It's the same thing.

55:37So they figured out a way to have the thing that you carry and use the most connected to a brand that you have to, like, that has status attached to it. Yeah. It's pretty cool. It's genius. Pretty clever. It's the best technology they got. I don't see how that's illegal though. There's nothing, no one's stopping you from going out and getting a Samsung. Right. Yeah, that to me is weird. Like, it doesn't. Google's one of the biggest companies in the world and they have their own phones. Right. They have pixels. Yeah. It's also a great phone. Yeah. And then you can take those. The interesting thing, I've been going back and forth with people about this because I had a conversation with Tulsi Gabbard where we're talking about these phones that are de -google phones.

56:19And I guess I misspoke because I was saying that you can't use all the regular apps with them. So I think you can, but I just don't know if you can use because it doesn't track your location. Yeah. So I don't know how you would use like Google Maps without giving it access to your location. Yeah. I think you would if you used those apps, right? So does it, but then does it keep your location or does it graphene keep it from doing that? I'm not sure. I'm not. Because Google just gives Google a little snitch. Google gives you up wherever you are. Right. Wherever you are with that phone, they know who you are.

56:50Oh, yeah, for sure. So I was watching this video on this last night by that Rob Braxman guy and he was explaining he's an interesting guy that is like all about his whole YouTube channel is about privacy. It's all about how many people are siphoning off information off your phone and everything every day. But what he was saying that the people that got arrested January 6th, all the people that were like around the Capitol, they got arrested because their cell phone data. So their cell phone data gave their geo location, their tracking. And so what the FBI did was say, hey, who is there? And they went to all these different cell phone companies.

57:27They got all their data and they said, well, all these people shows that their phone was on the Capitol lawn or was in the Capitol building. And they know where they were. And so then they go, hey, you're going to jail. That's wild. Yeah, from your location of your phone. Yeah. And even if you were there, just to see what's going on. Like if you and I were there and you have your bullshit snitch phone over there and that bullshit snitch phone is just constantly giving off all of your location to anybody and every app that asks for it and you're on that Capitol lawn. And you're like, this is crazy.

57:57Let's get out of here. And then all of a sudden, like six months later, the FBI knocks on your door and thinks you're an insurrectionist. Yeah, that's wild. Woo. So yeah, I like it nowhere. I'm out. So when the AI takes over, it's like, oh, he's one of the good guys. He's on our side. Yeah, we don't want them to have to live in the woods trying to blow us up. Right. Yeah, I think inevitably, there will be no escape. And I think all this D -Google stuff and it's great. It's really probably good to protect yourself from the prying eyes of big government and big business and big data and all these people that try, it's probably good to not do that.

58:34But also, you know, it's happening. It's happening, kids. Like we're getting sucked into some new world. Yeah. Whether you like it or not, that's common. It's how it is. Unfortunately. It is how it is. Yeah. It's how it is. Brian Simpson's funny because he was just complaining the other night. He's like, I give Google all my information. I go ahead, spy on me. Get it all. And they still fuck it up. They'll still offer me ads. Like, bitch, why did you think I would want to buy that? That's good. It's true. It's like, it's not perfect yet. No. It's not perfect. But yeah, that's just the world we live in, apparently.

59:13Does it mess with any of the things like Onyx Hunt or anything like that? Is there any difference between those? Every once in a while, you'll get an app that's not developed as well for it. Oh, okay. That's about it. What are examples of an app that's not as good? God, I haven't used one in a long time, to be honest. They used to say Instagram, but now, apparently, it's optimized for it. Yeah. I watch a lot of videos and stuff. There was a few, yeah, there was like certain things that would work and then not work. But when I want to waste time, I watch videos on cell phones that I'll never buy.

59:40Yeah, exactly. I watch videos on cell phones that come with that, a China. Like China's amazing tech man. Yeah. The tech that's coming out of China right now, I mean, if you've seen their electric cars, they could just drive over bumps and there's zero motion in the car. No, I'm sorry. They have all these little speed bumps set up and this car has like balanced champagne glasses on the roof of the car or in the hood of the car and the car's driving over it and it's not disturbing them. Really? It's insane. Huh. It's insane. The tech, they have crazy technology and they're automobiles right now in China.

1:00:16Like it used to be just a few years ago, like Elon said their electric cars are kind of bullshit. But now they're like, you look at them, you're like, holy fuck man. They look like spaceships. They have crazy capabilities. They can go in circles. Some of them can spin 360 degrees in a circle. In place. In place. So like if you want to do a U -turn, you don't have to do U -turn, just do a spin. Really? Your car just spins around. Wow. Yeah. Nuts. Yeah, I guess that's a like in a place like China where it's just. Probably a good move. Yeah, good move. It's just been around in a circle. But they have a video of the car doing in a parking lot.

1:00:50It's bananas. It's just spinning in a circle. That's crazy. And they can go backwards and forwards and then you can go forward and backward. Huh. Yeah, it's wild. There's technology that's just. Dude, beyond what? Most people don't even know how good self -driving is right now. Self -driving, like I have a Tesla, my self -driving, it's insane how good it is. It changes lanes. Stopps at red lights. Starts again in the light turns green. Crazy. It knows where all the cars are around it. You can see the cars in the screen. Like in the screen when I'm looking down you see an image of your car and everything that's around you.

1:01:23This is it's recognized. This is a pickup truck. This is a delivery truck. This is a Volkswagen Beetle. Like it's like, this is nuts. That's crazy. And it just drives for you. You're supposed to keep your hands on the wheel with some people fall asleep. But if you keep your hands on the wheel, it'll drive you home. So if you're like, I broke my foot, fuck what do I do? I can't. I just get to the car, punch in the thing, and it's just taking home. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. It's nuts. And that's just the beginning. I think in 20 years the idea of driving your own car is going to be like riding horse to work.

1:01:58Yeah. Like what? He drove his own car. Is that even legal? Where are you going to park that horse? You know, that's literally how people are going to look at it. Everyone's going to have an automated car. It's going to cut down on the automobile fatalities by 90 % 100 % and it's going to cut down on the fun by 100%. Yeah. That's the part. It's like there is something about driving and responsibility and having your life in your hands and having to pay attention to things. Yeah. Just like for you. Yeah, we're creating a world where we don't have to pay attention to things. I noticed that. Like in what I do, or you bring someone out in the wild and the things that they don't notice is uncanny.

1:02:39Like dude. What do you see that mountain line? Yeah. You're not paying enough attention for the experience that we're having right now right here. Yeah, but your phone away. And people that are not used to just looking around them, 360 degrees, you're on a mountain. Yeah. Hills and valleys and there's water down there. There's things overhead and it's like the sensory overload for a person who's used to the city's. Yeah. Well, I just walked, I don't spend much time in large cities, but I just walked from my hotel to breakfast. You know, I like looked at the map, saw where it was, walked there.

1:03:15And the amount of people that almost ran into me was insane. Like, dude, at what point do we, like does anybody look up and maneuver? I was just noticing like so many people never even looking up. So many people are looking at their phone while they're walking across the street, which I think is so crazy. I always have to be the like protective, oh, I got little kids now too. So I'm always like on the look out for cars. Okay. I guess though they started putting signs and where's it? Germany or somewhere where they're on the ground so they can see whether to walk or not walk when they're on the ground.

1:03:49Like the lights are now on the ground because everybody's looking down. How many people are developing bad posture because of this? Because it has to affect you. Yeah. You're doing this all the time. Until we got these chairs, I get back pain every podcast episode. Because you got to think you're sitting, which is not good for you. It's not good to sit. And then you're sitting in like a regular chair that has like a slump back. You're leaning back and you got a weird posture. And the podcast is like, ah, center my back will be stiff. So this, these kind of chairs is like ergonomic chairs. They force you to have good posture.

1:04:22Yeah, I noticed that. Yeah, probably speak better too. Problem, man. You know, like when you're maybe have you sit up, you're jacked. I don't know. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, maybe. I still find myself doing this sometimes, but much more often than I would be, I sit straight. Yeah. And I just support it. Because posture is essentially like a static exercise. That's really what it is. You know, you're just, because your body wants to do this. Yeah. But so if you have a static, it's like a static hold that you keep up all day. Yeah. Yeah. But if you do it, you'll, you're better off. Yeah. If you do this, you lean for that.

1:05:00You haven't get a neck problem. You are. My daughter used to go to school with this kid and I was always saying, how does this kid even do this? Because he always had his chin to his chest. He'd be sitting out in front of the school waiting for his mom to pick him up. And this kid has to, to the chest like this. Like he was the skinny kid and his head was like flat. Like the back of his neck, like he was like his head was growing out of the center of his chest. It looked painful. And he's just like, his body's just gotten used to it. He's not, he doesn't even bother to hold his fucking head up.

1:05:33Yeah. He lets his head just drop down his chest. That's crazy. How many kids are going to get like bat? Is that an issue? It is, right? Like neck problems because of cell phones. I'm remembering this picture at times to grow up posted one time. Look at that guy. Yeah. That's crazy. No head. That is exactly what that kid looks like. They would go to my daughter's school. The poor bastard. That's nuts. That's nuts. That's nuts. That's nuts. That looks like somebody took the Samsung pen. Yeah. Like got rid of his head. There's another thing the Samsung think to do. Like if someone's annoying and like we take a photo, I'm like, I'm tired of Jamie's bullshit.

1:06:11You could take just circle Jamie and press that little magic button and poof. Jamie goes away and they'll fill you in with the background. How do you like that? Better pictures. Get everybody out of them. Yeah. But you could also doctor photos too. You could do all. You could make things way bigger than they really are. Like you could take a car and say, look at this crazy car. So I just, right. Just put it in the middle of the street bigger than everything else and everybody will be like, what the fuck? It's hard to tell. It's real anymore. It's real hard to tell. It's crazy. It's almost impossible.

1:06:41I know I always get these ads that are like you talking about something that's not you talking. Yeah. It's insane. So many people send them to me. They go, hey man, is this real? Like, no. I've never heard of that company. I don't know what they're doing. They're just jacking my voice. It's probably some dude in Nigeria. Yeah. Make sure you get some money. Get a free crossbow. Like this? You're looking selling free crossbow. This came up today because someone was saying that Kanye West is making a limited production cyber truck. Like he redesigned the outside of the cyber truck. It's like $3 million.

1:07:13And so dudes were asking me about, I'm like, I don't know if that's real. Like, I saw that thing too. Like, I think I saw it on Instagram. I don't know if that's real. It looks fake. Yeah. It looks like something I would do and say and get a bunch clicks. Yeah. You can always tell because it's like something. Yeah, that thing. Is that real? The easy cyber truck. Doesn't sound real. But it's $1 .2 million US dollars. The car is all about straight lines. Like, how? How is that real? How do you even see out of that? A video, okay, scroll up says a video surface online. Supposedly revealed the design of Kanye West limited edition easy cyber truck.

1:07:50All black futuristic twist to an already pretty out there in controversial design. I was telling you my daughters hate the cyber truck. They hate it. Why is that? I don't know, man. Just not cool. They hate it. They hate it. They hate it. I think it's dope. Yeah, they look cool. They look more dope though. I see you. Did I see you try to shoot it with your belt? Yeah, I did shoot it. Yeah. You know what? It didn't go through. It bounced right off it. It can take a 45 slug. Really? Yeah, but I was thinking like, if I had heavier arrows and I had like a single bevel, like an iron wheel. Yeah. Or even a double bevel.

1:08:27Something with a cut on contact. I used like a regular three blade. Like a Montex style, you know? Yeah. And it just destroyed it. It bounced right off it. Yeah. Or the arrow. Or the steel paneling or steel. Yeah. It's thick too. Yeah, it's crazy. It's like 7 ,000 pounds that thing. Wow. Yeah. But you can shoot it. Like a lot of people online have shot them with guns like nine milleries. Just emptying. emptying the oozes in the side of the truck and it doesn't go through it. It's pretty nuts. That is crazy. Well, that's just for fun. He did that for fun. Like that's how crazy that dude is. That's cool.

1:09:01It's like a bulletproof. It's also arrow proof. Yeah. But it made me think like if I had a, you know, a two blade. So it's just, you know, it cuts better. It gets more penetration. And then if I had a sleeve over the collar over the end of it, you know, like some protective sort of, and then a heavier arrow. An outser with an arrow. An outser heavier. And I was thinking if I had my 90 pound bow, maybe get that to stick in there a little bit. Maybe not though. I don't know. I mean, if it's bouncing bolts off of it. Yeah. It's pretty thick. It is. Yeah. I don't know. You try it. Yeah. Are you still a two blade guy now?

1:09:44I am. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you think you prefer penetration over like a big cut. I do. Yeah. But it's because, you know, where I try to edge toward the shoulder more, where like the shoulder blades there to protect the vitals. Mm -hmm. And so if you accidentally hit that, I'd rather have penetration and still with a clean kill with a two blade. Yeah. Yeah. That's the real debate. Mechanicals versus. Yeah. And I feel like it's like better to make a good shot than because like with a mechanical, you have to almost intentionally make a bad shot sometimes, but banking on the fact that it's cutting larger.

1:10:24You know, because you have to stay away from the shoulder or depending on the angle, like a quarter to way shot. Like I've just had, I've had failures with mechanical ones. So I just stay away from them. What mechanicals have you tried in the past? A lot of different ones. So this is another thing. You know, like cam shoots the craziest mechanical. He shoots what's called a carnivore. I haven't. Is it a grim reaper one? I like the grim reaper ones. Dude, it's a catapult. You shoot in the catapult at this thing. It's like this big. Like it opens a tunnel in their body cap. They just die. They go down quick.

1:10:59It's crazy to see how fast things go down because you open up such a hole in them and you know, he shoots 90 pounds too. So he's got a lot of kinetic energy. A lot of kinetic energy and then this big cutting surface of four blades. And they're pretty gnarly looking. Like you see them open, like Jesus. That's good. There's a lot going on there. And if you do hit the shoulder or there's a lot of things that go wrong. Sometimes the simplest design is the best design. We've been using two blade arrow tips for thousands of years. Yeah. Right here. Check that out. That's the real one. This was probably a, was this a fishing?

1:11:32This was probably for fishing. You think so? Because it's so wide or so big. Yeah. Where did this come from, Texas? Yeah. Probably dug out of like a sandy bottom. Could be. Why would you think that that one would be for fishing just the width of it? Uh, yeah. It's too big. Yeah, I've just seen a lot of these like this that would be the size of it. Yeah. Really? Yeah. So to debilitate the fish, not like a barbed type thing. Yeah. It would, well, probably I could be wrong, but I have some similar to this that I was told were for fishing. Do they, were they attaching strings to the end of their arrows when they would shoot fish with the, no, I don't think so.

1:12:10Oh, really? I think you just shoot the fish and then have you seen, I've seen guys like just drilling the Amazon and stuff. They do it. They shoot the fish and then they grab the arrow. I did see that. Didn't Rinella do that? He went to Guyana. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And you probably, um, those like long arrow, you know, probably, I mean, I imagine. There'd be whatever species traveling up those more sandy bottoms when they're spawning and stuff like that. So they probably shoot spawning fish a lot. Hmm. And then have those and you just grab the arrows with the fish on it. That makes sense.

1:12:40Make a lot easier than just grabbing the fish. So this would be, do you think it'd just be too big for deer? Yeah, I think so. So we'll, you see a lot of the, yeah, a lot of the hunting like big game ones are probably half the size of that. Hmm. Um, depends on where you're at though. Like where I'm at, you see a lot of obsidian arrowheads. Hmm. But, you know, I'm not sure down here that could be, it just be, my guess is it'd be hard to get that to fly very good for very much distance. Right. You know, so you probably used like a long arrow, maybe not even any fletching shooting in a short distance.

1:13:15Hmm. Which could be, I mean, brush country like I don't, I'm not real familiar with what's around here. So there's a lot of brush. Yeah, but they're probably hunting deer and, you know, they probably in tight corners or is to use it could work, it could work for deer. Yeah, it's kind of amazing. I mean, you could, you could definitely use that for deer hunting, but it's kind of amazing that when they were here, there weren't even any pigs. Yeah. And now they're fucking rewere. Swarming. Yeah, I was in a place down in, I guess it'd be West Texas. I would add hunting was the last year, maybe the year before, but this place had a cave on it in it and there was like cave paintings and stuff.

1:13:52But you got to think like when they were, I said that that cave was probably used for thousands of years. Like you could see the, where people had sat and it was worn smooth and it was pretty wild. But when those people were here hunting, it was a forest. Now it's a desert. Wow. You know, so you think about it like, just can't leave. Maybe they should have been better with their carben. They probably should have. I think they, they probably stopped climate change by killing all the mammoths, right? I don't think they killed all of them. No, they didn't. There's no way. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't.

1:14:25Well, it's also it's like there's so many spots on earth where you go, wait, that used to be a forest, like the Sahara Desert used to be a rainforest. What? Right. And while people were alive, what? Pretty crazy. Haven't they found, wasn't there like the bones of some kind of whale that they found in the Sahara? I don't remember this correctly. It might have been one of them. There are a bunch of these Instagram pages that are just 100 % full of shit. Yeah. Like 30 foot tall skeleton of a man uncovered in Turkey and this archaeologist digging it out and you're like, what? And then you go, oh, this fucking page.

1:15:04So there was this thing that I did see that was near where I'm living, Reno, but I was just really, you know, it's an ocean going mammal. Wow. Some of the earliest forms of whale. Okay. So this whale, where does it say they found it? They found it in Egypt in the desert. What's it called?

1:15:32Basil, basilosorid? Huh. Wow. Designated in UNESCO World Heritage Site in July 205 where it's hundreds of fossils to some of the earliest forms of whale. Wow. The archaeo, seti, analog stink suborder of whales. The site reveals evidence for the explanation of one of the greatest mysteries of the evolution of whales. The emergence of whale of the whale as an ocean going mammal from a previous life as a land -based mammal. No other place in the world yields the number, concentration, and quality of such fossils. Wow. That's wild. That is wild. That is wild. Look at that. That's fucking crazy. That's crazy.

1:16:16Bro, look what they found. Look at that. That's insanity. They found an enormous whale skeleton in the fucking desert. Did you ever see the animal that they said was a whale before it became a whale? Looks like a wolf. I haven't seen it. I had a photo of it on my Instagram. This is the original look of the fucking mouth of the whale. Holy shit, dude. That thing's crazy. They found that thing. Little thing. They found that thing. That's crazy. Show the animal, Jamie, that used to be a whale or the whale became a whale from this, evolved from this animal. It looks like some weird looking dog -like wolf thing.

1:17:09There's images that they've recreated of what it looked like when it was walking around on the ground. Yeah, that's it. The origin of whales, that thing. Looks like a giant rat. It does look like a rat there. That one's actually in the water. It's not that big either. How the fucking whales get so big? But if you see the images of what it looked like, there's one that I had, Jamie, it's on my Instagram because I remember that's what it looked like. Look at that one down there with the flippers and the tees. Look at that fucker. Look at that. Those suckers walked around on the ground outside and then somehow another they chose to live in the ocean, allegedly, if you believe in evolution, if you want those silly fucks.

1:17:54That's wild. If you want those silly people who doesn't believe the world was creating six days. You think that's what happened? Well, whales, they used to be like a land mammal. That's pretty family. And then somehow another became a whale. Yeah, that's wild. And also, how long did it take for you to figure that out? Yeah, exactly. How many bones did you guys have to, who was the guy who gave, hey, I got a crazy thought. Yeah, because I imagine they probably didn't find it all, well, it looked like they found it all in one piece, but maybe they just stacked it like that. They probably haven't found a lot intact like that.

1:18:27It's one little piece. What's this giant bone? Right. I mean, that one looked into it. I hope they weren't bullshitting in that photo. Yeah. Because I hope they found it like that. Like that. Yeah. Yeah, that's all laid out there. You're making me think of this meme I saw recently. Have you seen this? The skeleton. How aliens would recreate the animal, the animal. Oh, that's funny. Oh, right. A rabbit versus like, if you look at the skeleton, yeah, right? Yeah, you would think that's some sort of a predatory animal. That's funny. That's a rabbit. That's a skull skeleton. You wouldn't know it had giant feathers covering up its feet.

1:19:02What is that thing in the lower left? What the hell is that thing? For past that, lower left. Yeah. What is that? I'm drawn. So if someone took the bones of modern animals, like it's probably a horse or something like that and tried to, yeah, because our idea of what a dinosaur looks like is like completely speculative. Right. In fact, there's in Montana's, they have a science museum and in the front, they have a velociraptor. Has they're normally depicted? And then on the other side, it's how they think they might actually be, which is covered in feathers. Just completely. Yeah. Like a bird. Just like a bird.

1:19:41Yeah. See that. Yeah, see. I think I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it.

1:19:51I've seen it. I saw it when I was there. I was like, oh, look at that. Oh, imagine. Because we think of them in these reptiles. Yeah. Like some lizard looking thing. But they think they, they at least know some of them. They now know for sure had feathers because they found fossilized images where it shows like where they had feathers. Giant chickens. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. That's exactly what it looks. So they think it might look like that, which is actually even scarier. Right. Right. It's kind of scarier if it's pretty. If it's going to fuck you up and it's beautiful. Yeah. I could see that.

1:20:25That looks, actually looks more realistic in a way. It does. It looks like something that we see. Right. And if birds are really dinosaurs that survived and they have so many of the characteristics that dinosaurs have, some of them do, right? Yeah. And some of them even have teeth. But if you look at that thing, like, yeah, I could see. Yeah. That looks, it does look like an angry chicken. Yeah. It's moving away from raptors specifically, but yeah, these are all just, I think it's the dinosaurs at that museum. So the theory is that many different dinosaurs, perhaps even the T -Rex have heard speculated the T -Rex, look at that fucker.

1:21:03Woo. That's crazy. Wow. Yeah, that looks cooler. Yeah. Oh, it wakes on on the givin' back. Yeah, it looks like he's in his hair band phase. It looks like he's in his hair band phase. It looks like he could be in poison. Yeah. That's funny. They don't really know. I mean, one day they'll probably figure it out, but right now it's just a lot of guessing. I wonder how they could, one way they could figure it out is to bring one back. That'd be sweet. Well, I mean, they could pretty much do that with mammoths now, right? Oh, they're real close. Yeah. Yeah, we're actually going to go see the mammoth when it's actually made.

1:21:41Really? Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, I want to see it. I want to see that thing. Like, what are you going to do with that? Yeah. You're going to let them lose? Because they're good. So they start with an elephant and then they do the embryo. But then how many generations? They get to the generation, the end elephant, right? I don't know. I don't know. Because then they'll just keep doing it with the op -right to get more mammoth. Yeah. Yeah, they're just going to, I guess they'll keep doing it and then develop breeding pairs and then, you know, they're going to have to separate them to make sure that they have genetic diversity.

1:22:09Yeah. Or they get to like put them back in the wild. I think they are. I think they want to do it in Siberia first. Yeah. The idea is that it would stop global warming by somehow or another, I don't know how. Yeah. They would eat more of the brown rice, spreading the seeds, probably with their feces. Probably turn us into a new ice age. Yeah. Fucking idiots. I think stomping on the ground too. Yeah. They're going to literally cool the planet to the point where we're fucked. Because I know they're going to be like, we're going to kill all the mammoths to bring them, bring back global warming. Exactly.

1:22:39I'll be like the next hunting. Well, that's what my friend Randall Carlson always says. He said, global warming is a concern. He goes, but global cooling is a real concern. He goes, that's what's really scary. What's really scary is ice ages. Yeah. Because there's been moments on earth while human beings were alive and while animals lived, there's been moments on earth where it got so cold that there was so little oxygen in the earth, on the earth that we almost didn't make it. That's crazy. Like, we're all biological life was real close to being extinguished. Yeah. Having been to the Arctic, you realize like you don't want it to be that cold everywhere.

1:23:18All the time, everywhere. And all these fucking eggheads that want to spray the skies with particles and cool the sunlight. So low down. Yeah. Well, we just moved to the places that used to be cold when it gets a little warmer. Wouldn't that be a better solution than fucking starting another ice age, you dipshit? Yeah. Because they don't really know what's going to happen if they do wind up cooling the earth. But I guess, like, what if it works too good? Yeah. Or what, I mean, I suppose like one giant volcano, super volcano can pretty much cool the earth pretty quick to you, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

1:23:51One giant volcano, we're fucked. Yeah. I mean, anybody who lives anywhere near Yellowstone, when it blows as fucked, but even people in England are fucked if Yellowstone goes. Oh, yeah. Everyone's fucked. It's going to be nuclear winter. Yeah. Over the whole world. Yeah. It's pretty wild. All plants are going to die. People turn to cannibals. In that happen, they got down to the toba, right? That's it. The toba volcano in Indonesia. There was a super volcano that blew. They think it got down to, I forget the number of thousands of people, but thousands of people left on earth. And they trace that back to this particular super volcano explosion that I think was 70 ,000 years ago.

1:24:36Wow. Yeah, 70 ,000 years ago. Toba eruption, but associated with a genetic bottleneck in human evolution, about 70 ,000 years ago. It's hypothesized that the eruption resulted in a severe reduction in the size of the total human population due to the effects of the eruption and on the global climate according to the genetic bottleneck theory, which we in 50 ,000, 100 ,000 years ago, human populations decreased by 3 ,000 to 10 ,000 decreased to 3 ,000 to 10 ,000 surviving individuals. So there was as little as 3 ,000, that's the low number of humans on earth because of this eruption. So literally like a good sized theater where I would do a show.

1:25:20That's crazy. 3 ,000. Those are the people that live. That's it. For the whole earth. Yeah, because we aren't super adapted to the cold really. All 3 ,000 can be like, it's not split 50, 50, male to female. Right. Yeah. Who knows? I mean, probably mostly men survived. It's supported by some genetic evidence suggesting that modern humans are descended from a very small population of between 1 ,000 and 10 ,000 breeding pairs that existed about 70 ,000 years ago. That is fucking kooky. So there was a 10 year volcanic winter triggered by the eruption. It could have largely destroyed the food sources of humans and caused severe reduction in population sizes.

1:26:01These environmental changes may have generated population bottlenecks in many species including hominids. This in term may have accelerated differentiation from within the smaller human population. Therefore, the genetic differences among modern humans may represent changes within the last 70 ,000 years rather than the gradual differentiation over hundreds of thousands of years. Wow. Imagine if they're like, only the dummies lived. We had a star from scratch. No wheel. No nothing. No flint tools. Just morons. Just the dumbest of fucking humans statistically that's what will happen. Yeah. Well, that's probably what does happen to human population.

1:26:43There's probably some sort of a collapse and then a rebuild. But not everywhere. I think there's always going to be a part that gets spared except at super volcanoes. It seems that an asteroid impacts. Those are biggies. That's star from scratch and roaches rule. Then you're fucked. Yeah. Which is also on the table. That's on the menu. Roaches? No. Asteroids. Oh, roaches too. Have you ever eaten a cicada? No, I've had grasshoppers and cave crickets. Callahan was given out recipes for cicadas. And how to cook them. Yeah. He was telling you how to bake them. You know his podcast? Yeah. He was a cows corner.

1:27:23Yeah, it is. Cows monthly cows weekend review review. Yeah. Yeah. So he was telling you how to like you cook them bake them in like an oven. You set the temperature for like, you know, whatever it is, 250 degrees, whatever. Then you like make a flower out of it. You like put teriyaki sauce on season them and you eat them. Okay. Well, apparently, like just get better at elk hunting, I guess. But if you have so many cicadas, don't you want to try? I guess. Like, there's places that have these extreme, this year, right? Or having extreme blooms, right? We have a, where I live, big, Mormon crickets that come through and they just travel through.

1:28:01Yeah, it's their wild. Wow. They make the road all slippery. They'll put out it's like ice on the road. Cars go off the road. Really? Yeah, so they get squashed, but they start to eat, they eat the dead ones. So they pile onto the dead ones and they create these like sludge. Yeah. And then they get thicker and thicker and it's just completely slick like the roads get like ice. Do they plow? I don't know. I don't think the plowing would work. Whoa. Yeah, that's real. I guess they do plow, apparently. They plow them on an Idaho highway. Wow, that's crazy. Can you show a video of that? There's a, look, those are all crickets.

1:28:36Oh, yeah. Dude, that's insane. And they're disgusting because they'll go, that's insane. So they just smash them and then they scoop it them off. Look how they scoop them off to the side. Oh my God. Yeah. Just like snow. I had this, I was hunting last year and there was just a bunch of them everywhere and there's this old water trough that had, you know, I guess, you know, like a cattle water trough out in the bandin. And somehow some got in there must have died and then the other ones keep piling in. And it was like probably, I don't know, a foot or two deep of just dead crickets with crickets just piling into it and the smell was so bad.

1:29:14You'll never forget that smell. They're just, they're gnarly. But that's the thing that people keep saying. Yeah, they have to start eating his crickets. Yeah, they, uh, there was a small town and like rural Nevada that had the crickets come in. So they just decided, I don't know, they put a bunch of speakers down and blast like hard rock music. And apparently kept the crickets away from the town. That makes sense. The noise. Yeah, it's a long way. Yeah. There was a, there was a certain band that they figured, got a stop -sick trick. It's not what the band is. I thought it was Metallica or something.

1:29:49Don't do, don't do, don't do. Down, down, down, down, down, down, down. Yeah, it's just invading. That's amazing. God, I'd never even heard of this. Mormon crickets. Well, now they call Mormons because they fuck so much. I have no sense. I've never made so many of them. Yeah, I have so many kids. Yeah, why are they called Mormon crickets? I don't know. So is this, I've never even heard of these things before. Have you heard of this, Jamie? Not this time. That is nuts. Yeah. I think they also call maybe potato crickets or something like that as well. Wow. But yeah, they're pretty wild. And this is the, this is a, wants a year thing or wants a year.

1:30:24And then it like, there'll be like a big hatch. I think maybe because of the winter last year, who is just a million of them. Wow. That's the one that worked. Wow. Downtown, downtown, downtown. Downtown, downtown, downtown. Yeah, so in the apocalypse, know that you can just keep these guys from eating your crops with some, with some heavy metal. Yeah. Yeah, can you though? I don't know. It seems like a bunch of them are going to get through anyway. That's fucking insane. Yeah, like in each other. Yeah, like you walk through there and you step and you step on them. They create these piles of just eating each other, eating each other.

1:31:00Bro, this is bananas. How do you stay there? I guess you're sleeping on the ground. Oh, camping. Oh my god. Have you had that happen? It's not, it's not fun. How'd you sleep? Did they get in your sleep? No, I zipped it up. Bro, what does that sound like where you're sleeping? Yeah. I was hoping it was going to play cricket sounds. What does it sound like when you're sleeping? Just crickets crawling, I mean, it's not. Just constant crawling. Yeah, or you feel them, they kind of like hop. You hear like the dunks of them hitting. They think, oh, bro. Yeah. Oh, you got to wipe the guts off your boots.

1:31:43Look at that. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, it's not all the time, but it is like generally late summer. I know we've covered this before, but what exactly happens to grasshoppers that they become locus? There's something that has to do with the population, the numbers and the time of year, where grasshopper becomes locus, and they just fill the air and fucking destroy everything. Destroy everybody's crops. Yeah. Everything. Like people starve to death because of locus infestations. Well, I think even something like that, you see the plants, they just come, they'll be on the plants, and just, it's like a tree covered in the bugs, and they're just constantly eating it, eating it, and then I guess they lay the eggs under the ground and then die, and then they emerge again.

1:32:32It's wild. If you lived in like the 1800s, and you're like barely getting by growing corn, then those guys come by. It's a bad day. People died, bad. I mean, wasn't that like a biblical threat? Like a curse, the curse you would locus? Yeah. Wasn't that like a thing that people would do back in the day? Like a, yeah, almost like a plague of locus. Yeah. Just come and eat all your food. What causes grasshoppers to become locus? I'm looking at it. So all locus are grasshoppers, and all our grasshoppers are locus. There's three different kinds, specifically that turn into that. Big difference, you know, grasshoppers are solitary locus swarm, but I'm not seeing what causes it.

1:33:14There was, the thing that I had read was that it was a particular type of grasshopper when there's a certain population density. It causes some morphogenic change in the animal. And then they just move together. Yeah, because it is weird. Like those, those Mormon crickets, they do that where they, they're, they move in a certain direction and they're all moving together. It's really weird. Bizarre. They change when they're crowded or isolated. Yeah, there's something about the amount of them. Like if they get a bunch of them together, it's like a, like a gang mentality, you know, like when you have riots and people storm in the streets and it's like a mob mentality.

1:33:50They just keep going and adding. Yeah, I guess that happens with them too, but they have changes in their actual physiology. There's a video of spending here, but I... Yeah. The strange thing that turns grasshoppers into locusts that's on YouTube, bizarre beasts, that felt looks like you know, as we were talking about. Yeah. But that's a, it's weird when animals can change. Like it's, for some reason bugs, I can kind of deal with it. You know, but like pigs, the wild pig thing is one of the craziest things of all time. That if you let a domestic pig loose, there's snout lengthens, there are fur grows and they start growing these tusks.

1:34:28And it happens pretty quick. Yeah. Yeah, they just go feral and they, it's the way that they can survive better because they aren't getting fed all the time. So there's physiological changes because they have to root around, they have to, you know. But there's no other animal. If you let a dog go, it dogs just gonna be a dog. Like we tried to figure that out yesterday, we're joking around. Like how long would it take before a dog becomes a wolf? Yeah, I don't know. You know what I mean? Like if humans turn wolves into dogs, how many generations of wild dogs would it take for a wolf emerged? I don't know.

1:35:00I have seen a pack of wild dogs in an area where there are wolves. And those wild dogs, like they get pretty vicious and pretty efficient, pretty fast. Oh, I'm sure. They probably have to sleep in wolves. They probably would, yeah, they could probably crossbreed with the wolves, I don't know. Oh, they definitely could. There's a lot of wolf hybrids. Yeah. Like people buy wolf hybrids all the time. That's what I wonder though, if they would actually survive, you know, the kind of the challenge to breed, but if the pack of feral dogs is large enough, they could probably. I wonder if it's a cycle that just would happen automatically if given enough time.

1:35:33Like if you could reproduce the cycle of turning a wolf into a dog, if you just let the dogs out, and there would be no more dogs, and just be all wolves, and then civilization re -emerges, and we turn wolves into dogs again. I wonder. It goes. Yeah. Maybe. I mean, you can't. But if you take a wild pig and you put it to pen, that fuckers wild forever. Yeah. You have a wild boar. It's not going to, like, it's, now it's not going to shrink, right? No. It's not going to turn pink again. It looks cute. Okay. In the early colonial times, that's why they would clip their ears in certain patterns. It would cause it, and that's where the word earmark came from.

1:36:10Whoa. So because they would be domestic and running around, they would need to know which ones were there, I guess. Whoa. Pigs were allowed to live basically feral existence, but they were still, we'd recognize as domestic swine. The practice of free -ranging pigs may still exist in some areas, but I think it largely died out during the 20th century. However, as a result, just about every part of North America can support feral pigs has them. However, in California, a landowner in the 1920s imported European wild boar for hunting. I think that landover was William Randolph Hearst. I'm pretty sure.

1:36:42Yeah. Yeah, that cock sucker. That's the reason why weeds are legal. To this day, that piece of shit. These animals hybridized with feral pigs, producing the offspring with some of the appearance and characteristics of wild boar. That genetic line has been spreading for 95 years or so, and it's been quite successful. Yeah, there's so many of them in California, man. It's nuts. They have them in San Jose, like in people's yards. Like they're like people in suburbs, like they'll wake up and there's fucking wild pigs just knocking over, rooting in their garbage. Rooting in their garden, tearing their lawns apart, destroying their, they could destroy giant chunks of like turf, golf course turf.

1:37:23They just go right through it. Yep, just rooted up and going for worms and other stuff. Yeah. They smell what's underneath the grass and go for it. Like if you, if you were just living wild, and you know, if the world goes to shit, they're the best animal to have around, because you are insured. There's gonna be a high population if you don't have predators. Yeah, those predators. There's like feral goats, goats multiply super fast. They're in like really harsh environments. That's probably like people brought them to Hawaii, right? Yeah, Hawaii. I mean, New Zealand, like a lot of places and they just flourish because they can go and everything from jungles to deserts.

1:37:58Do you smoke scars? I know, but go. When people do bring animals into a place, like we were talking about Adam Greentree today, and he lives in Australia, where they kill cats. Because they have so many wild cats that wild cats have killed everything. Wild domestic cats, regular cats, kill all the ground nesting birds. They've just decimated populations. Yeah, they just fuck everything up. So they hunt them over there. So you get a, you ever seen an Australian hunting magazine? Oh, yeah, it's like they got a guy with a cat on the road. They got a dead cat. Like this big cat. I got a nice cat, mate.

1:38:34Like whoa. Yeah. You know, it's just every time humans bring an animal into an area, almost definitely, especially if it's a predator. They're gonna fuck everything up. Yeah. And most of the time they bring it into control, probably the rats and mice. And it's like, well, nobody's gonna, they're elusive. They're gonna definitely kill the ground nesting birds that are way easier to hunt and kill. Yeah, they don't know their job. No. It's so funny that people didn't know. I mean, I guess they just didn't know. They probably had shitty books. They did all this stuff in the 18, like New Zealand. When did they start doing that?

1:39:12Oh, bringing animals over. What year was that? Yeah, the 18 something. Yeah, long time ago. Let's bring animals over. No predators. Yeah. Look at how they're wrong. Right. And they just exploiting populations. But it really shows you too, like when there's predators on the landscape, they definitely take a toll on the prey species. Oh, for sure. For sure. Like with reintroduction of wolves. Yeah. You know, and now they're doing in Colorado. Like good idea, guys. Yeah. Bring them everywhere. They talk about being grizzly bears to the Cascades. I saw that. Do you guys not know what a grizzly bear is?

1:39:44Or you should go speak to them, but your experience on a fog natural one. I tell you, like the thing about grizzly bears is people, it's generally people that don't live in those areas making the decisions for the people that do. If you think about it, like in the places where you're gonna encounter a bear, there's not that many people that live there. But when they, the actual number of people that get attacked and killed might be insignificant in the whole population, but in those areas, it's pretty significant. Yeah. And it'd be like, what if we released, I don't know, Kodiak Brown Bears, well, there was Brown Bears in California, and it's on their flag, right?

1:40:14Like coastal, large, giant Brown Bears. Yeah. I mean, a couple of those running through San Francisco and clean up the street pretty quick. Oh, yeah. You got a homeless problem? I got a solution. Yeah, there you go. I'm pretty well. Let's reintroduce. We're a bunch of colonizers. We stole this land from bears. Bring them back. Yeah. There's an amazing bearers back on this. Yeah. And you look at like the whole of Canada where there's nobody living, and there's a lot of Brown Bears, grizzly bears, all the way through Alaska into the Arctic. There's a lot of those bears around in places where there aren't people.

1:40:50Right. But the problem with Canada is the population centers like Vancouver don't have bears. Right. And so they're the ones who vote. Right. And so they voted to make bear hunting, at least Brown Bear hunting, illegal in BC. Yeah. And the guy just got jacked yesterday by Brown Bear in BC. Yeah, it becomes more and more popular because we have more people in their territory. And they're going to expand their range. But there's a reason that we, I mean, I love large bears. Like it's awesome to see them. It's an incredible experience. But there's certain places where they can be and there's certain places where they probably shouldn't be.

1:41:24There's a reason that we got rid of them in a lot of places because like they kill and eat people. Yeah. Imagine if it's like, I mean, percentage wise, I don't know, it's the amount of people that get attacked and killed by bears is going up for sure. And it might be a small percentage, but okay, if you took it per capita, people that are in their turf, right? Let's say I don't even know if it's a 0 .001 percent. Well, that be of New York City, right? And if you had some monster that came and killed 1 ,000 people a year, you'd be like, let's get rid of this fucking monster. Which is what they did.

1:41:59Right. Yeah. That's what they did. I mean, Lebec, California is named for the place where the last person in California was killed by a grizzly bear. Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, this guy got a fucking, and then they said, hey, let's kill them all. And then we're like, let's bring them back. I miss the monsters. Yeah. I mean, there are places where it's like, it's awesome to see them and they're there and we should have them there. Yeah. But I don't think that we should have them everywhere. Because I, especially with like our populations now, they don't realize what they're doing in those places. Do you know people are releasing wolves in California?

1:42:35Like sketchy people, like sketchy activists? Like sketchy activists. Releasing wolves. Yeah, there was one outside of Bakersfield. We played a video of it on this podcast. My friend who lives up there found it. He saw this. He filmed this. He was driving on the highway. And they're like, I think that's a fucking wolf. And they pulled over and they zoomed in on this wolf. Hold on a second, I'll find it. Yeah, I've heard of people. I guess they, I mean, there's collared wolves going from Oregon and other places in California. But this is not that. This is just like releasing wolves in Southern California.

1:43:08Yeah, so I'm dipshit, thought it would be cute to let a wolf go. And so I'll find it. I've got the video in here. If you just give me a second. Yeah.

1:43:19I don't know. He sent it to me. So I was hanging out with him and I was like, well, how big was it? And he sent me this video. I was like, yo, that's a wolf wolf. And this thing was like five miles from an in and out. Was it like a wild wolf? Or was it just like a wolf dog that they turned to loose? No, it's a wolf. It's a wild wolf. Yeah, goddammit, I can't find it. I know he sent it to me. He might have got a new phone number. I might have his old phone number in my book and not have that image saved in our little text message exchange. Fuck. You probably didn't have an iPhone. You probably had it.

1:43:58So you don't get the bubble saving. Yeah. All right, I give up. I got it. I know we played it on a podcast before, but it is a bizarre video. Because you watch the video. You're like, wow, that's a big wolf. And it's running near this cow. And then someone comes along and chases it away. And it runs off. But it's a wolf. And then we showed a video yesterday of El Serito's California where a wolf's just running down the street like a big ass wolf. That was apparently a year ago that was on TikTok. Last year. You can find that again. I found the video of us playing it before. Hold on. Oh, beautiful.

1:44:32Let me find the better version of this. Last year I was in New Mexico and they have, who was a Mexican wolf. They're different than like the gray wolves or the further north wolves. They're bigger than a smaller than a timber wolf. They look kind of like a shaggy wolf. They're like, yeah, they're a lot smaller. They're like a large coyote, but we saw a lot of them. Really? Yeah, we saw a pack of them in the same day that we saw. It was like four to six of them. A friend of mine was with Kip and they saw some six others somewhere else. So they were like, they say the population is not that large, but this is a substantial portion of the population they say they are.

1:45:12And then it came to a survey they did. And then it came, we heard, which would be completely different ones than the ones that we were seeing. Because I was like 30 miles away from where I was. And you heard them? How much? So you're like, there's a lot of them in here. I think their populations grow a lot faster than they say. They keep in track of them. Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, how much money they're spending in Mexico to give a good audit of the whole population? Yeah. And this is a new Mexico, which like, yeah, ignore their new Mexico or no, Southern New Mexico. Sorry. And so they're coming from Mexico?

1:45:46No, they were, they were, they were just called the Mexican wolf. Oh, this is a separate species of wolf. Oh, it's not a red wolf? No, a red wolf's also a separate species. So I think the red wolf's the one that's a lot more rare. But the Mexican wolf is the one that they have in New Mexico. How big is the Mexican wolf like 50 pounds? Yeah, we like, yeah, probably something like that. See that? That's probably, yeah, that is a wolf wolf. Yeah. So this is my friend. Damn it. It just did this thing again. Oh, I found out what happened on why this is brief. Something's wrong with the Mac computers and playing video.

1:46:18Apparently I have to update my computer. But just, that's okay. Just for us. Just look at that. Look at that image. That is a wolf wolf. Yeah, that's. And that thing was outside of Bakersfield, bro. That's crazy. Bakersfield. You know the in and out that's down on the 10? Yeah. Or the five? Is that what the five? Yeah, five. Yeah, that's a couple miles away from that. Cool. Wow. What the fuck? Yeah. Out of the field. Yeah. And he saw a driving and he's like, hold on. Is that a fucking wolf? Yes. So like, that's pretty good video. There's people that run some of these wolf. I don't know what you're going to call them.

1:46:56Yeah, places. Yeah. These wolf organizations. Yeah. That there's stated goal is to reintroduce wolves so that we will no longer need to hunt. Because the wolves will take care of the wild animals. They'll keep the population in check. Totally not taking into account pets, kids, little red riding hood. Yeah. All that shit. The reason why we were scared of wolves in the first place, I think the wolves are just going to stick to deer. Yeah. No, they're going to take out hikers, bird watchers. Good luck. Whatever. Yeah. But also to you, I mean, when you think about wolves being across the United States, we had a giant, great plains full of bison, millions of bison.

1:47:31Yeah. Like they had a lot more food sources and a lot more availability to preferred food sources. There's a different world. We don't have that. Yeah. And to bring them into this world now is just so goofy. Yeah. I can't imagine how they got away with it in Colorado. Like, didn't all those ranchers are going to get fucked. They're going to get fucked. Well, I mean, I don't know how much this speculation, but I pretty sure this is a fact that they took wolves that were depredating, like cattle and then release them in Colorado and guess what they're doing, killing cattle. Weird. Did you see? Did you see they found one dead and was killed by a mountain lion?

1:48:08Really? Yeah. So this was kind of an interesting thing. Well, in my area in Montana, they did a huge study on wolves because everyone's like the wolves are killing all the elk, which is sort of true because the elk mortality has went up. But what they found is the mountain lions were actually killing more elk and the wolves were pushing off. There were steel outlies. So yeah, the mountain lion had actually witnessed wolves pushing a mountain lion off of a kill. So the mountain lions are just, a mountain lion is actually probably one of the most efficient predators out there, more efficient than a wolf, I would say.

1:48:41And so the mountain lions can kill, kill, kill pretty much whenever they want. They're just so good at it. So mountain lions would kill. They'd start to eat the wolves would come in, run them off, claim the kill. And then what's that makes mountain lions do? Kill again. So they're just using these mountain lions to do their killing for them. Wow. Right. So they run off the mountain lion. So my speculation is they, it's been proven that this colored one that they just released in Colorado is killed by a mountain lion. And it's like that mountain lion just didn't want to take shit from these wolves.

1:49:09Like, haven't seen you. You aren't taking my kill killed the, killed the wolf. Right. Not only that, but they have a small number because they only released a handful of them. Yeah. So he might have been on his own. Yeah. Who knows? He got a little cocky with the mountain lion. Yeah. Mountains are fairly timid when they run. They just, they go off. They get up in a tree and, okay, and then they'll go kill again. But in this particular instance, the mountain lion just killed the wolf. Yeah, enough. Yeah. It was like one of them enough. Yeah. So we want to sound dead in Colorado. Like you killed the mountain lion.

1:49:37Look at these wolves that they let loose, man. Fucking, they're amazing. Look, I'm glad they exist, but I feel like reintroducing them is opening up a can of worms. It's akin to releasing cats in Australia. You're, I know they came from that place, but they haven't been in that place in a long fucking time. Yeah. And there's a hundred years in the world. So much different now. Like we have, you can't just go back to the way things work because it just isn't possible. I mean, there's a lot of invasive plants that have taken over forage for, yeah, unjulence. And there's a lot of just so much that's changed road systems that never carved there that, I mean, wolves can travel a lot faster on roads and cover more country and be more efficient at killing.

1:50:21So yeah. And then there's going to be massive resistance to reducing their population, which there is already. It's just, it's a mess. You opened up a crazy can of worms because you don't understand wolves. The thing is it's like these people that want to make these decisions to reintroduce these things. They're essentially activists. They have this idea in their mind, this utopian view of nature being played out, but they're not taking into account like what these things actually are. You just have this like beautiful idealized version of what a wolf or grizzly bear is. So you're releasing predators.

1:50:54And actually the other thing too is like a Colorado. The wolves that they released there were not the type of wolves that were in Colorado. It was more of a prairie wolf, which is more similar to that Mexican wolf, which is a lot smaller wolf than the ones from Wayfar North. The ones that are north as you go further north species get larger. Yeah. And it's like they're taking these that weren't even in that landscape ever and kind of filling a gap with them. Well, that's what they did in Montana. They took them from Canada. Yeah. And so these Alberta wolves, these are the giant beasts. So which they, you know, they need more food.

1:51:28They're more efficient at killing certain species like our moose populations just suffered. You want to protect something maybe to protect the moose because there's plenty of wolves in North America. There's not that many shyness moose, which is really hurting in areas where they reintroduced wolves because they just weren't used to that kind of, you know, that kind of predator that time of year. Also, they don't have packs of moose. Right. No, very solitary. They drop a calf. Now the cow moose will protect that calf, but she can. She can, yeah, it's not. That's the reason why cow moose are so dangerous to be around.

1:52:07It's because of wolves. Because like a deer is not normally stopped people. Yeah. It's very rare that a deer goes after people. Moose will come for you. They will run at you. Especially if you got like a dog or something because that's that triggers that. People in the, I, running that I did a rod, you know, have to like kill a moose to protect themselves and the dogs because they'll come towards the dogs. This year, a guy, I think the guy that won it had to kill a moose. He got time penalized because he didn't get the moose well enough. But still one, I guess. He got time penalized because he didn't got the moose well enough.

1:52:40Yeah. So if you have to like protect yourself in the life of death situation, like whether it's a bear, a moose, doesn't matter. You still have to follow all the laws and that law is like you have to salvage things so you didn't get it very well, I guess. Like it's probably in a hurry. You just got it. Did it real fast? And you overcame killing a moose and receiving a time penalty. Do you imagine a fucking game you're in where there's a time penalty when you kill a moose? Yeah. A moose that's trying to kill you and your dogs. Wow. It's a pretty wild deal actually. That is insane. Yeah. So you have to gut it, but do you have to salvage the meat?

1:53:21No, I think that they can leave, so for this race, they can leave the meat there, but they have to like, I don't know whether they market with a GPS or something. So then somebody does come in and salvage the meat, yes. Wow. His dog, Falu, was injured before a CV shot and killed the moose with a handgun. Race rules require any big game animal killed in defensive life or property to be gutted before the musher moves on. He told officials he gutted the moose the best he could, however, he was ultimately giving a two hour penalty because he only spent 10 minutes gutting the moose. Well, I mean, what is his best as he can?

1:53:55Like what does that mean? I don't know. Either you got a moose or you don't got a moose. Right. So maybe he just opened it up. I have no idea. He might have just like opened the gut and tried to get it and like, okay, I'm getting, but imagine not being prepared for that. Like we covered in blood when it's 50 below or whatever. Also, like what if your knife is not sharp and you go through the first hide, it's going to dull the shit out of that thing. And he sawing at it with a bullshit dull knife trying to cut open this moose and then trying to cut all the organs out. Right. That same bullshit dull knife.

1:54:25You don't have a knife sharpener. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know the circumstances, but yeah, I can imagine it being a shit show. Like I could see a moose being so, like you tell me, a moose is so big. You might have to sharpen your knife if you're dressing a moose. Yeah. Yeah. Or you might have, like as you're cutting it, you might have to re -sharp in your knife. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I mean, especially if you're skinning it and all that depends on how sharp type a knife you have and all that. But he probably just had like a, my guess is like a small knife that, you know, used people should have a knife.

1:54:55Yeah, I cut things right here. Those little fucking tiny razor blade knives. I don't know. Fuck. That's crazy. Two hour time limit. That seems rude. Yeah. Still one though. That's pretty good. It is pretty good. But what a crazy game you're playing. Yeah. Where there's time penalties built in for not getting a moose. Right. How would, I know you went to Greenland too. Yeah. I saw those videos. It was that one you were still hunting with a mouth. It was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Greenland looks amazing. Yeah, that place is wild. I didn't realize like that. You see that ice, you know, you see pictures of it.

1:55:30It's all ice. Well, around the ocean, certain times of year, it's pretty green because it's not winter yet. But that ice sheet is massive. It looks like this giant mountain. I mean, it, it climbs some elevation. You don't really realize that you kind of think it's all just like, yeah, just massive ice sheet. Wow. It's pretty wild. Do people walk on those? Like, you have to be careful. You don't fall through it. Like, while we were there, we'd run into people that were doing expeditions and other things. That was when we were in the Arctic. Some people were doing like a town to town expedition just on skis.

1:56:04And they left like looking at it like, man, they, that, they don't look like they had enough gear for their expedition. And when we came back in, one of the people was getting care flighted out because they got frostbite and lost the finger. Imagine like six, seven days into a 30 day trek and you're already one finger down. Would they not gear it up with like insulated down or where? I don't know. Yeah, must have just not or not paying attention. Like you get worked up, right? You're working real hard and your body's hot. Take your gloves off and you don't feel cold and then probably realize like, okay, it just happens so fast.

1:56:39Like uncover hands. Now, when you were in the Arctic Circle, like, what is the temperature where you're at? Oh, it was like a warm spell when we got there. It was, it was pretty warm. It was like 20 below. But like the, I talked to some guys that were there the week before, it was like 60 below. And what country is that officially? Canada. Canada. Yeah. Yeah. And so 60, but like what's a really rough day up there? I would think in that 60 below with windshield factor kind of thing. Heavy winds like the breeze. You get a little bit of breeze and that temperature changes fast, real fast. When it's, when it's calm, you go, oh, this isn't that bad.

1:57:20And then when that wind starts to blow, it just drops. It is so cold. And you're bow hunting. Yeah. Which is so crazy. Yeah. To be bow hunting in a place where nothing stops the wind. Yeah. But there was, when it's really windy, I think like we went out and what we didn't have bad winds. And so when it does come up, it's kind of one of those things just stops everything really. Because you can't see where you're going. You can't really navigate well. So you just kind of hang out and wait for the wind to die down. Wow. How close were you when you made a shot? Oh, really close, like 25, 30 yards.

1:57:55Was it windy then? No. It was slightly when you wasn't, it wasn't bad. Now muskocks have these crazy coats. Yeah. How thick is that stuff? There's a muskocks. Wow. Look how awesome that thing is. That looks right out of Star Wars. It does, doesn't it? Look at those horns. Pretty crazy. But that's nuts. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, Greenland, that whole area, that whole Arctic region, it's pretty cool. What did you do with the cape? I skinned it out and brought it back. It's so warm. Are you going to use it as a blanket or something? I don't know, maybe. It seems like it'll be the dopeest blanket of all time.

1:58:31Yeah, it's like line your, I don't know, put it on your bed as a mattress thing or a key thing. Definitely. Yeah. People come over your house, like check out the bed's bread song. Muskocks. I got that on top of the world. Yeah. Pretty wild. Literally on top of the world. Yeah. Yeah. What is it, so Greenland, not that harsh? Not that harsh. Well, it was different times of year, because I think, what time were you there? I was there in September, so it was the end of, it was the beginning of kind of that winter season. It looked, or I might have even been August. It was probably August. It looked tolerable.

1:59:06Yeah. I mean, summertime, that's like anywhere like a lot, even as far north in Alaska, the Arctic. Summer is amazing. It's sunlight 24 hours a day. It's pretty mild temperatures. There's a lot of bugs, but a lot of bugs. Mosquitoes and, yeah, they go hard, too. Yeah, the last few mosquitoes. No, they don't have much time. They just go for it, but like good summer fishing, waters open, all that kind of stuff. And then it just turns to ice. And it's like winter time through this March April May, that whole time frame still winter. And then it gets back into summer. And so when you were up there, when you're trying to locate caribou, do you go to these corridors where caribou naturally sort of gravitate towards?

1:59:54Do you know where they're going to be going? No, I mean, it depends where you're at. There we were able to travel by boat, and we could look for them from the boat and go up in hike. Like in places in Alaska, there's places where they kind of live in the mountains. And when it's that, they kind of have just certain areas, and they move around in the mountains, but they might not migrate. Like big, like other herds do, and then there's migration herds. And they do migrate, and they travel. And then it's weird because they're not weird, but they tend to travel into the wind. So whichever direction the wind's going, that kind of chooses the direction that the caribou start to move.

2:00:30But they have an area of threat. Yeah, exactly. And so when you were there, you were there with that dude Pedro. How do you say his last name? Appuro. And puero. That dude's cool. Yeah, he's a great guy. He's got a great YouTube channel. His YouTube channel, all his different adventures are amazing. Yeah, he's a great bow honor. Awesome guy. Funny, Alan. I watched one recently where I was like, what? He went elk hunting in Mongolia. Yeah. I was like, what? Yeah, that elk. Elken Mongolia. Yeah. And like I thought of Mongolia as being like these steps, like the flat plains. Oh, no, there's mountains and.

2:01:06Yeah. Crazy. I mean, it was like, you might as well be in Utah. Yeah, there's elk. Yeah, Mongolia, there's elk. Kazakhstan, there's elk. Hunting out of a yurt. It's really crazy. Yeah. Very, very cool video. That is a place that I would like to go Mongolia just to see. It looks awesome. Pedro and puero hunting adventures is the YouTube channel. And I mean, he does an amazing job of just like really good editing. It makes it interesting. They're like documentary style videos of all these different places. He goes with this guy. That guy goes all over the world. Yeah, he does. Some cool, some cool places.

2:01:43Very cool places. It's just, it's so interesting to see someone. And also when he's there, they're like, why do you have a bow? Yeah, just the elk's right there. He's a rifle. The fuck you do. Yeah, a lot of places in Asia don't understand bow hunting. It's the more, just like, they don't see it probably very often. Well, they want meat. Yeah. Right? It's like, it's just the best way to get meat is a rifle. What are you retarded? Like that's two hundred yards away. Why sneak up? Yeah, just be dead right here. Yeah. Let's fuck you get this over with. But to be honest, a lot of the guns that they have over there are not very accurate.

2:02:16Are you allowed to bring your own rifle? Yeah, you are in a lot of places. It's a major pain though. Oh, is it really? Yeah, a lot of paperwork. Yeah, a lot of paperwork. A lot of check -ins, a lot of military stops. Mm -hmm. A lot of, yes, like not a fun experience. So for the most part, when you go to a hunt like that, you would let them provide the rifle. Some people would. Yeah, I don't know if I would. So yeah, could you bring your own sights? Could you bring over a four -text sight and AKs? Are they shot at you? They're AKs over there, really? They're clashed across. Yeah, they just like left over.

2:02:50So they left over for the Taliban? Exactly. That's crazy what it is. How many times do you hunt it in Asia? Only I've only been over there once. What was it for? Sheep. Which kind of sheep? In Marco Polo. Sheep. Oh, those are cool. Yeah. Yeah, I was in Kurgistan. Whoa. Yeah. What was that like? It was a pretty wild man. How long did you get there? Oh, I don't know. It's been a really day of flying and then a lot of driving. Like a lot of driving. I don't know, maybe 14 hours and a 15 to 20 hours in a car. I don't know. Something like that. And so how does one set up a hunt like that? You want to go hunt for Marco Polo sheep?

2:03:30How would you even start? Yeah, it was like one of the things like knowing somebody that has a connection with somebody that has like a game keepers of the area and then you get a permit from them. And then they go with you that like the game warns come with you. It's a whole deal. And like these people have the area. It's their job to manage that area. And so that's kind of how that works. Oh, wow. And do you have to grease everybody up? Like you have to pay everybody? No, well, I mean, they you pay for the tags and the permits and everything. OK. And then you don't have to pay all those extra people.

2:04:01No, that it comes with it. Yeah, it's all part of the deal. Oh, interesting. And so when you're doing this, so you horseback through the mountains? Yep. Yeah, horseback. Pretty high elevation. I don't even know what the Valley floor is. It'd be maybe 12 ,000 feet, something like that. Wow, that's the Valley floor. Yeah, 10, 12 ,000 feet, something like that. Pretty high up. Where we were at was on the China border. So it was pretty like pretty big mountains. And yeah, horses. They use these real small horses. They're incredible horses. Like very good horses. But you're going on trails that are super sketchy.

2:04:38I wouldn't want to walk on them. And you're taking a horse on them. A lot of them. We did in the dark. It was pretty nice. It was like going back through some of that in the daylight. It was a little uncomfortable. No, he went through it at night. Yeah, there's guys do this all the time. There's one spot where they took like a, they must have brought, you know, like I just a bar wire fence that has like a metal post. So they took a metal post and they pounded it in into this. There's like a cliff and then the trail or the trail had just wiped out. And so there's like a metal post that they'd somehow pounded in and then just put some stuff on top of it.

2:05:18And then the horse is backing up like up against the wall and then scooting around and then does a little side hop over it and then goes. And we did that in the dark with no lights, because it couldn't, it was a, it was a shit show. But coming back, looking, it's probably 1500 feet straight down. And, oh my God. The thing where the horse is like just edging up against the wall, it's pretty wild, right? You did this in the dark? Yeah, it was not. You had no idea? No idea. Well, I knew you could tell it's steeper and shit, because it's just like dark and you can kind of see we can't, you don't really get the grander of what's going on in the nighttime.

2:05:56Kind of just hold on for dear life. Why the fuck are you saddles really? It's like, well, you use like these blanket saddles. There's like a saddle horn and mostly just a blanket and then stir ups with it. So it's kind of a different setup, not like a western saddle though. It fairly comes from horses though. But yeah, I didn't like that. It was why? Why do they do it at night? It was just a weird, it was a weird experience. The fur, we left at night, I don't know what happened, but we got into camp. We went to this, you go through all these checkpoints. We got into camp. We're planning on going out the next morning, but then some people came into camp and just started, like our guys and those guys started fighting.

2:06:41And then, yeah, it was a wild deal. And so they were like, we gotta get out of here kind of deal. They started fighting like fist fighting? Yeah, yeah, just like, and they had a lot of guys. So a gang fight broke out on your own, yeah, but it seemed weird. It was like, I don't know what was going on. And then, so that goes down. And we're just like standing back, like what the hell is going on? How does the fight end? So the leader of their crew and our crew go into the house and then they like have a sit down. And then, and then we, so then we're like, the one of the, our guys like, let's get out of here.

2:07:18So we like throw all our shit on the horses, like packs on there and everything. So that's why we didn't have any lights because we just like threw everything on the horses. And then, it's like, let's just ride. Okay, so we're getting set up. And then it was like, before we left, the weirdest thing, I wish I, I wish I had, I tried to like, download some translation stuff. So like, good, I just had no communication with them. But the weirdest part was like, okay, everybody was good. And so we're loading up now everything's cool. We're all good. And then they want to take a group picture. What the hell is this group?

2:07:51Is this like some proof of life picture? You know, like, what is going on here? So we take a picture and everything seems pretty normal. And then, and then we start writing off and the guy that we're with has an AK. And then they start fighting for the gun. And at this point, I'm like, we gotta get, we gotta get out of here. And so we just start writing and then, we got it. Yeah, they were like wrestling for the gun. And then, and then he gets on his horse and we all just ride off and this. What are you thinking? I was thinking we were so fine. Did you flew all over there? I didn't know. You're in the mountain.

2:08:26And you're just like, you're fighting over a gun. Yeah, and their gun safety is abysmal. Like, it was not, I was just worried. I've watched you two videos. Yeah, it's, do this guy. We get this. So we're driving and it's a long road trip. And we're driving and we pull into this guy's town town and he gets a shotgun. It's this old shotgun. It's like pretty much duct tape together. And we're driving, I guess he's like, chuck her across the road. They look like chuck her to me. I'm sure that's what they were. And so he gets out and he's trying to shoot these birds. This is like, all right, you know, a little bit of camp meat.

2:08:57So he's trying to shoot these birds and doesn't get any birds. But he's now thinking that the chuck her, you know, in case we see one, he's ready. So he's got this double barrel shotgun that's loaded and he puts it in the car and he puts it with a barrel up and is facing toward my head. And I'm like, trying to lean out the side. I'm not okay with this. So I'm like, hey, stop him. And I'm like, this is not okay. You can't have this gun facing me. And so instead of like unloading the gun or doing whatever, he just leans over and puts his head on his shoulder like this. That's his gun safety. And I'm like, no, I get out of the car.

2:09:35I'm like, no, we're gonna unload it. And we weren't gonna go like this. Like, take it out. I unload it. I put the barrel down, like, open it up. I'm like, here you go. I don't care what you do, but I'm not having loaded gun in the vehicle or a loaded gun point for me. Like the thought of it, like his shoulder's just gonna protect the shotgun from blowing my head off. Well, not only that, what if his shoulder gets blown off and he dies, you ever figured out how to get back? Yeah. No, he's just, everything's bad. Your ears are blown out. Because you can't hear anything down. It was just not like, it was just bad.

2:10:05Fuck dude. It was wild, I don't know. Did you know what the fight was over? What, why they got a gang fight? Yeah, the, well, from one of the guys, like, sounded like, it's just like kind of tri - and I don't even know if trivel's the right word, but it's like very, like, these guys wanted that territory, you know, so they were like gunning for that territory. Like, they were hunting? Yeah, I guess, or whatever. They wanted to be the people that take the people. Oh, boy. So it was like, oh, boy. Yeah. It's probably a lot of money in that. Yeah, I would imagine, yeah. Yeah. Because the guy that, I was like, what's going on?

2:10:41He's like, no, no, I'm the big, like, in some, he spoke a little, it's hard to understand, but in the gist of it was like, I'm the big boss and they're gunning for me. Like, they want what I have in a way. The guiding business. Yeah. Wow. So, so you eventually get free? Yeah. Well, yeah, there's a weasers road up and then we did our thing and then went hunting and came back and everything, you know. And when you came back, everything had been okay? There's no more guy there. But like, the big boss was with us now. So I don't know what happened after that. Was that the sketchiest hunt you ever went on?

2:11:18Yeah, absolutely. That sounds so dangerous. Yeah. Because if they start shooting those guys, they're going to shoot you too. Yeah. That's going to leave you. Yeah. And I don't know. I think like, in that, it made sense. It didn't make sense. But what they were, I felt like, I didn't necessarily think that we were in danger, but I thought it was like a weird situation because you could tell like, they wanted something, but I don't necessarily know if they wanted something from us. They wanted something from the other people. Oh. You know, it's not me cutting. Like, the action or something? Yeah, exactly.

2:11:48True. Well, I guess there's probably not a lot of work up there. No. You know, when you're guiding hunters, especially the kind of hunters that are willing to do that have some money. Yeah. Because it's a big deal to get out there. Like Marco Polo, she punts against very hard to do. I used to watch, what's that guy's name, Tom Miranda? Miranda. Yeah. I used to watch his, that guy's another one. He was always like in the middle of one fucking weird mountain range, camped up in this yurt with like 10 other people and they're eating bread. Oh, yeah. You're out there. No. There's no backup plan there.

2:12:25And everything he was doing was bow hunting, too. And he had, his show was weird, too, because it was all about acquiring all, what is it? The big, whatever. I like, yeah. When you're trying to, the bow hunting thing, when you get, yeah, the grand slams, where you get like every single mammal on earth with a bow. Like, they do the Africa, like there's the dangerous ones. Oh, yeah. There's the regular grand slam, like all the African continent, big animals, all the stuff. It's a weird thing. It's like, you almost like you're collecting baseball cards now. But, you know, yeah, just, yeah, different places.

2:13:08I like going different places just for that experience of the hunting culture. It's kind of interesting. Like, you'll go somewhere and maybe even there, like maybe didn't speak their language or whatever. But when we're on the mountain, it's like he's a hunter, I'm a hunter and we have this certain kind of connection that you just don't get doing other things. Like, it's pretty interesting where you go. And it's like, these are hunting cultures and they've done this for thousands of years, just like we have and we do things similar. And like, we don't even necessarily need to communicate that well because we both kind of are doing the same thing in the same way.

2:13:43And it's like, okay, there's this, it's really cool to see. And then that whole, like bring the meat back and the campfire cooking and the whole, like, experience, it's not foreign. Whereas like you're in this crazy place with all these other problems, but the hunting portion of it is very familiar. You know, and like, I really like that. And it's like even going to somewhere else, you go, okay, let's go to a place where it is like, okay, yeah, I can. Do I need to go hunt a musk ox to feed myself? Well, the musk ox meat was really good and I'm glad I did it. I don't have to go to the Arctic to feed myself, right?

2:14:17But it was really cool to experience it with people that have lived their whole life and like have a certain view of it that is actually maybe even different. But that's how they grew up doing it and to see, to see that is just like a really, I don't, I like that portion of it. So that's why I like to go different places and just see how they do things in different places. And then there's that adventure element of going somewhere kind of untouched where a lot of people don't go. There's something kind of exciting about that. So do you try to plan like your year with like a certain amount of these wild adventure places that you visit?

2:14:51Yeah, I think so. Or if the opportunity comes up, it's more of just a, oh yeah, I'll take advantage of an opportunity if it's given like, oh, I know this person here that we can do this and okay, cool, I'll try that. Or it doesn't matter if it's New Zealand or Australia or North America. Well, you were doing a lot of trips to New Zealand, right? Yeah, well, that's where I came from to get here. Oh, really? How often do you there every year? I just, I made a pretty short trip out of it this year. But just went over, hunted some fallow deer and saw some friends and it was a good time. But what's a short trip for you?

2:15:26That was only like a week. Oh, that is a short trip. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because I used to go over there for three months. Really? Wow. Yeah, so that's a lot shorter trip. That place seems amazing. And what a crazy thing that they did where they just introduced, not reintroduced, but introduced to old European animals to the landscape. Yeah, they've flourished. Like they do really well. There's no predators, so there's hunting and then there's like essentially government calling, trapping, poisoning, wild what they have to do to maintain the populations. Just to keep it at a reasonable manageable number.

2:16:01Yeah. And that's what happens when there's no predators on the landscape because the population is explode. Well, Remy, you live a very interesting life, my friend. Oh, thanks. You really do. I always enjoy talking to you. And I enjoy your podcast too. Live wild. It's a great podcast. Yeah, thank you. It's a, if you're into hunting related podcasts, it's a very good one. Great tips. Yeah, appreciate it. I'm really fond and I'm glad you did it. Yeah, thank you. And I really hope this works. I hope that ways too well. If anything can help, I bet that will. I really hope it will. I have a lot of faith in it.

2:16:31It's, it's funny because they said it'd be swollen and feel, and it's like actually feels better than when I went in. Really? Already. I don't know if it's just like a probably a show me up with some, was an I. I. I. I. I. I. I. Like, dude, you should probably maybe feel pretty good after traveling, for sure. Oh, yeah. They give you an IV back and vitamins. Yeah, that's great. All right, brother. Tell everybody you're Instagram. Is it just for me, Warren? Yeah, Rami Warren on YouTube, Instagram, any kind of social media. REMI. Have you ever talked about bringing Apex Predator back? If somebody wants to, I'm down.

2:17:03It was a great show. Yeah, I enjoy the show. It was fun. It was a fun show. All right, dude. Well, thank you very much. Appreciate you, brother. Thanks for coming here. I'll see you there. Bye, everybody!