#2157 - Duncan Trussell

28:02Yes. Like, that's very different than showing me what I want to say. Yes. Because now you're changing the dynamics of how things are discussed. Yes, sir. That's the fucking evil right there. That's the evil. That's crazy. Dude, this... So, and then, okay, the other assumption with the algorithm is that the algorithm is just like random. Or it's using some set of variables and serving things up. But this is an idiot assumption. I mean, you could...if you are controlling comments, then that means like, all right, let's just like make people mad at each other. Let's make people completely pissed at each other as much as possible.

28:40Convey this idea that there's...like these massive divides between us. And then, then, they're going to fight each other. Instead of recognizing, they're pretty much the same. Like, or they're more nuanced than they think they are. And fuck, dude, that's how you control populations. It's brilliant. It's brilliant, dude. But do you think that it is...is it...is there algorithm created and utilized to control populations? Or is there algorithm simply to get you to engage? So it must see that you engage with a certain number of comments and posts that have a lean one way or another. Right. But there's a very popular thing that's going on right now that you see a lot of.

29:24And it's like, very stern men talking to a bunch of like girl influencers and telling them they're fucking losers. Yes. It's really common. Yeah. So if you've seen one or two of those, it starts recommending more of...no. At a certain point in time, it's going to probably actually encourage other people to do the same thing because that creates engagement. And then you have this thing that emerges. Like, was this a real thing? Like, who's doing this? Like, what is happening here? Why is this a new thing that's happening over and over and over again? And it's just because you engaged with it. And I think that could be slap fighting or it could be fucking...for me, it's like, I see so many car accidents.

30:08Oh my God. So many motorcycle accidents. So many people falling off bridges. Yeah. I see so much of it because I've engaged with it too many times. Yeah, dude. When I went on TikTok and I stopped because it's like too good. But like, within a second, it's just like something about the way I was looking at videos, zip popping videos. It's just like, you like to watch zits pop. And then of course, when you're seeing that, you're like, wow, that's fucking intense, dude. And you watch more of these. No. That's that Dr. Pimple Popper lady. She's got a huge side of it. Yeah. And she's very entertaining when she's talking about it.

30:47Absolutely. But some of them are like, whoa, dude, it's like you have cream cheese in your body. Oh. And a bucket of it. Oh my God. And they're squirting it out. How is that in there? And what is going on? Oh my God, must be horror, fucking stinks. Just all those dead blood cells. But dude, this is like, for me, I've had to, after seeing that video, I've had to like, go back and just erase any idea I have about a consensus among people. Right. Because like, I've been drawing that idea from comments sections. Like, oh, I guess this is what people say. Or like, rotten tomatoes. Dude. This episode is brought to you by Life Lock.

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32:52Now.

32:57Apologies. I mean this, man. Because anyone who makes anything, that's insane. If you made a movie, it's fucking incredible. But dude, I was so excited about that fucking movie. It's like, whoa, predictive programming, baby. They're getting us ready for a civil fucking war. Here we go. It is, you can't connect to any of the fucking characters. You don't, you barely understand who the protagonist is. It's the dumbest mission of all time that they're on. There's not, no, the end of the soundtrack is so mysteriously disconnected from what's happening. So there's all these things that just make, it's like if they sent me the footage and I was like, Duncan, can you edit this movie?

33:40I would have made Civil War. Like what's happening?

33:50I'd be like, let's put some fucking hardcore, weird, like synth music. We'll put the silver apples in there, really intense synth music. Because I love synth music and you're watching it. Like, is this a music video for synth music? What am I, what am I fucking seeing here? So I'm out. Now I want to see it. It's worth seeing it just because it's like, especially if you're into writing screenplays, it's good to watch movies like that and be like, why isn't this working? What's wrong here? But dude, I went to Rotten Tomatoes, gleefully. I can't wait to hear what people are saying about this piece of shit.

34:2981%. People are like, this is a good warning to all of us. Like shut the fuck up.

34:41Warning? What are you talking about? It's a fucking warning not to fucking do the $20 still in theaters thing on Amazon. That's the fucking warning. Don't do that. Wait. Dude, it sucks. It sucks. None of it makes sense. The stereotypical fucking characters in it, the way they're trying to like box people into this like they're all evil. These people all, what kind of American are you? North American, South American. You're from Hong Kong. Bam, bam, bam. Stop it. Just shut the fuck up. Like no one's like that. Like really? Like I'm not obviously people are like vile racists. But dude, come on. This murder, this I hate.

35:33This assessment of humanity. It's basically what they're saying is minus the fucking capstone of the pyramid. We're just going to kill each other because we're awful brutal things that must be shepherded by old cherry -hatchered men who can't remember their fucking name. You know what? Like what are we doing? Like we'll be fine. We're fine. We'll be okay. People are mostly nice. And what's that thing you always say? I love it. Unmet needs. Yeah. What is the actual quote again, Jamie? All criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs. But it's a much more profound quote, the full quote. I forget who wrote it too.

36:13It's really, I shouldn't forget because I use it all the time. It's a great quote because that is what like, I mean there's criticism that's accurate. Like something that's good. The criticism, judgment, diagnosis and expression of anger is the tragic expression of an unmet need. Marshall Rosenberg. Yeah. Yeah. Great fucking quote. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, there are people who are fucking assholes who are doing shit that disrupts society in small ways and big ways. But they're not doing that because they're evil. I don't think. They're doing that because like they've learned this way of being that sucks.

36:57Now I'm not saying throw out the judicial system. There shouldn't be, you know, jails or anything like that. I'm just saying this notion of humanity, minus an authoritarian, generally fucking patriarchal fucking like whatever, but I don't care if it's matriarchal, whatever it is. It's a top down fucking ruling system without the king. We will just fall on each other. Give me your fucking car, mother fuckery. Some of us will do that, but guess what? They won't last that long because like in a collectivized society, I just feel like like we'll take care of the problems quickly, probably quicker than we do right now and everything will balance out.

37:36If we're armed, the problem is if you're not armed, then armed thugs take over towns and you can't do anything to stop them. And you're in a small group of people that are unarmed and they're pushed into certain situations. If you have a collapse of law and order, it's not as simple as we'll take care of it. The real problem is sometimes armed thugs rule everything. This is true. Yeah, and that's a reality of humanity in 2024. Like in certain parts of the world, like did you hear about what happened in Haiti? Oh, dude. With that minister. Dude, is family. Dude. Yeah, and the guy that that warlord in Haiti, I love watching interviews with that guy.

38:16What is his name again? It's got a cool name. Crazy name. It's like sandwich. It's like a key. Barbecue or something? Barbecue. Barbecue. Barbecue. It's like sandwich. And there was, there's this one video, but it's not really, it's not really of him. Someone said it was of him, but I guess it's not. I think. And it's a guy eating a guy. So it's one of these rebels that has this dude killed roasting over a fire and takes a piece off his leg. That's a classic move. That's like a classic move. You get there energy by eating them. And look, I'm not saying that there isn't contingents of like super violent people that you are going to have to be able to defend yourself from.

38:55And by the way, what's really perplexing to me about the hardcore anti -gun people is they're not really anti -gun. They want cops and the national guard to have guns. They just don't want people that like people who live in houses to have guns. So they're like, they're pro -gun, but they want guns in the hands of like... They're pro -authoritarian violent power. Yeah, that's it. The authoritarians of power. Regular people don't have power. Right. So you have to rely on the authoritarians. You have to rely on them to take care of your crime issues. Yeah, you see, I think I would have more respect for that movement if they're like no more guns anywhere.

39:40We're going to get rid of all the guns in the world. In a melt them. In melt them. In melt them. And just, I don't know, build a fucking water slide or something. But when we're hunting, you get to hit things with bows and arrows. Traps. Traps. Traps. Knives. You can still hunt deer, but you have to use a knife. Yeah. It's three fucking... You imagine how many dudes get really good like hiding in trees and drop it down stab and deer? Dude, it would be amazing. Like, you know, I'm like getting a hunting. Like if it became... Fucking throw a fucking dagger. There's a dude that films pig hunts and he uses spears and he hides in trees like above the pigs.

40:22And then he has like a camera on the spear and he throws the spear down and stabs these wild pigs. Wow. It's pretty wild. Well, I would love to know the first time he did that. Like, I would love to. Yeah. How many times do you... How do you practice that? Just... But the lead, you're just like what? You're like driving and I'm like, dude, what if I fucking used this? Spear. Well, if I climbed into trees and started spearing pigs... The thing about pigs is there's so many of them, they'll do any... You're allowed to do almost anything to get rid of them in Texas at least. They hunt them out of helicopters.

40:54Yeah. Have you ever seen that? No. I've been invited three times. I'm like, hi, yay. I'm not getting a helicopter. I can't. Don't get a helicopter. With machine guns! On top of that, with pigs. It's just... If I feel like if I'm gonna shoot a pig, I want to eat the pig. And if I'm gonna shoot 250 pigs, there's no way I'm eating 250 pigs. Yeah, dude. Just... If I shoot one pig, that pig will get eaten. We'll make some barbecue out of that pig. It'll be awesome. But if you shoot two... I mean, I get it. You have to do it, though. This is the other part of it. If you run a farm, you have to do it.

41:28They'll kill your profit. The profit margin of American farmers is so low as it is, it's so difficult for them to make money. That if you got a million wild pigs running around your state or more, Texas has how many millions? Isn't it like three million? Which is bananas. If you know anything about wild animal numbers, that's so crazy that many animals in a state that are just wild, feral animals. 2 .6. This is from 2016. Oh, it says the same thing here. It says it, but now in 2023, and that's still... They don't know. Feral hog. They really don't know. But at least 2 .6, there's no way you could add it.

42:15You would actually have to use drones at night, fly over areas, monitor how many times they breed. They breed three times a year, dude. Yeah. They can start breeding when they're six months old. Whoa. Yeah. So six months old, and then they have three liters a year, and they'll have five, six piglets in a litter, and they're just shitting out babies, and then they're destroying everything. They're just running through the ground, tearing up fucking golf courses and people's lawns in San Jose. If you ever see the San Jose videos, no. San Jose, California. Wild pigs just tearing apart people's fucking lawns.

42:56Wow. Knock it over trash cans. Big fuckers. Terrifying. Fuck, dude. One of them killed a lady. What? Yeah, somewhere. I forget where it was. It might have been out here. I think this lady saw the pigs fell down in her driveway, and they just fucking tore her apart. Dude, who is that? I just watched this crime files thing about this psychopath who had pigs, and she would have people come and work for her, and then if they pissed her off, she'd throw them to the pigs. In the pigs. Like, and someone was saying, when I'm, if you're walking around the pigs, you better not fall. Because if you fall down, they'll just fucking eat you.

43:34That's like the number one way people get killed by animals on farms. This pigs you. One woman's death by Farahogg made night have been caused by the animal after all. Medical examiner determined that Farahogg killed Christine Rollins, but her daughter is skeptical because attacks by the animal are extremely rare. Wait a minute. Fucking medical exit. This is what a confusing headline said. One woman's death by Farahogg might not have been caused by the animal after all, but the medical examiner said it was caused by the wild hog, but the daughter is saying attacks by the animal are extremely rare.

44:12Well, we'll believe the daughter. The daughter. Who is the daughter? The daughter could be doing anything. Haven't you seen Charlotte's web? Do you have any of these pigs would never, what is the daughter saying? I don't understand. I mean, why does she think that? Because they do fuck everything up, especially if you fall down. Foxill says attacks by Farahogg is extremely rare, less than one in a million chance according to research data. That's why some are now suspicious that her cause of death was really due to an attack by the animal. What? What's more, suspicious that her cause of death was really due to an attack by the animal rather.

44:49What's more, dogs were found lingering around Rollins' body after her death. There's really no doubt that hogs got to her body at some point. The question is whether the hog, oh, might she about to be killed by dogs? Well, if something else comes to the dying, the hogs came along. Right. That's possible. That's totally possible. Sure. It's definitely possible. But how old was this lady? 59. That pig looks suspicious as fuck, man. It depends on what kind of 59 -year -old lady you're talking about. About a lady goes to CrossFit. They're talking about a lady who's 59 and has diabetes. Cause if you fall down around wild pigs, I gotta think they're gonna treat you the same way domestic pigs do.

45:29If domestic pigs start eating, if you fall into the pig pen. There's a crazy story. I heard about a kid that raised a hog that went. It just one day turned on him. He raised it his entire life. It was his pet. My dog is everywhere with him. And then one day he said he tripped in the pen and it just attacked him and almost killed him. I forget. It was a crazy story. I forget even where I saw it. But I was just popping in my head now. I just said horrible way to die. Bro, can you imagine getting eaten alive by a pig? No. No. That's squeal. But when we have it coming, how much bacon have you eaten?

46:02A lot. I've eaten a lot of bacon. A lot. I've eaten a lot of bacon. I love this. This is where the vegan skit really excited about. But I'm gonna get a lot of cute pig fucking pictures. Vegans need to hear that. Let us scream. They should hear it scream. It screams. Screams. Let us. Screams. Yeah. All of it screams. Avocado's scream. His best friend was a 250 pound pork. Oh, it's a wart hog. Oh, well, it's an African animal. It's a different animal. I don't think that's, I mean, I think that's like a distant cousin to a pig. They look different. They're crazy looking. You ever see the wart hog?

46:36No. Bro, they got like these crazy double tusks. Dude. Look at it. Look at that thing. Fuck that. In that wild. Yeah. It is tusks. Oh, this is my friend. Yeah. That dude is not your friend. Dude. He's incapable. That's a wild beast. That is so much different than a guy raising a hog. Like if that guy raised a pig, the pig would probably never do that. That thing is a wild animal. Yeah. Where was this? Texas on their family ranch. The story about like how. That's so crazy. I forget how it's so crazy out here. He called the house. It's fun to do. It was happening. It's awesome. It's awesome to be in a place where you could own a wild fucking wart hog.

47:16Dude, Texas, like my wife and I talk about it all the time. We're never leaving. We're like, this is home. We love it so much, man. It's what America aspires to be. Dude, it is written like people are so mad at us and people bitch about it and make fun. But it's like, man, I love it here so much and I like the heat. And I, and like, weirdly, all of us are like, we're like getting out. Healthy, man. Like, it's this cry. In all the years of the comedy store, lots of changes happen among the comics. Like the time, I hope I can talk about this. I think I can. He talks about it. Like, remember, like he does talk about, Bobby Lee talks about it publicly.

47:56Like the time Bobby Lee was like on pills. And so he would bring all these pills to the comedy store and we all knew it. And so he was like a pharmacist. So like, like Joey, Joey watching. Joey is like grab a handful of just unknown Mexican fucking pharmaceuticals. This is a pre -fetinal dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could do it with those things back then. Dude, and, and so that, that was, I would call that a dark phase in the comedy store because all of us were on Bobby Lee's fucking Mexican viking. It was a bad phase. So, so, but I don't think I've ever seen a phase where like at a comedy club, the comics are getting healthier.

48:39You know, that's a crazy thing to watch. And I think, you know, it's not just us hanging out when I first came to Texas. And I'm not saying everyone's here is healthy or any kind of bullshit like that, but you look around like these people are fucking healthy. Like, there's a lot of healthy, like, you know what I mean? Like, like tough fucking people. And a lot of people who exercise, yeah. Yeah. Just go to the lake, watch people run around the lake. Dude, in the like, in the middle of a heat wave. Before I was exercising, one of the most like humiliating things was just to be driving on the street and you look over.

49:13And there's someone my age. It's 104 degrees and they're fucking jogging. And you know what I mean? Like, what's your excuse again? Oh, your tie, are you sleepy? Is a little too fucking hot? Because there's a fucking 55 year old. There's a 55 year old just galloping down the burning fucking sidewalk. Yeah. So, yeah, dude, this place is like. The sidewalk run is a different kind of hot too. Because you're getting that heat radiating off of the concrete into your face. You know Lex Freeman does that shit? Oh, yeah, he's just like, he fucking runs. Like when I did his podcast, he's like, I'm going jogging.

49:48I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, this isn't my early Texas face. So I was already like, I walk from my car to his place and was already like, Jesus, fucking Christ. Walking. And he's like, yeah, I'm going to go jog 10 miles. I'm like, what the fuck are you, man? In this heat. Yeah, dude. Yeah. So I think it's important to be around like, I think that's another aspect of Texas that gets left out. It's like, there's this real like strength, healthy thing here that is contagious. Whereas like when you're in a place where everyone's all fucking sick and frail and weak and like, you know what I mean, scared of disease, like trembling in their fucking boots, that's contagious too.

50:33It is. It jumps into you, man. It 100 % does. And I always wonder like how much of, you know, how much of an area has the memory of all the things that have happened in that area in it. And like, whereas Texas was the last state to enter into the union, they've always been like, hang the fuck back. Hold on. You know, we had to get through the command sheet established this fucking place, like, settle down. The, you know, Texas Rangers had to go out there and cold camp and go and try to assassinate these bands of fucking killers riding horses. They were just fucking up the Americans like, they couldn't pass.

51:11They couldn't pass. They couldn't get through. This was the spot where it's like, this place was fucked. And until they conquered it, it stayed fucked. And then they did. And now it's the whole place has a memory of that. Yes. There's a, there's a, there's a thing about the attitude of this place. Yeah, dude. It's, but it's, it's not what people think. Like, people think they're assholes. They're the nicest, friendliest people. People think they're stupid. They are some brilliant people that have met that live out here, brilliant, normal people. One of my neighbors was a Texas Ranger. And he is the coolest guy.

51:48And, you know, he's an older guy now. He's retired, but, and he's still intimidating. And, um, yeah, man, like, he, like, uh, he's like, like, he's so fucking cool, man. And like, and, and he, I'm trying not to give away to, or respecting his privacy. Uh, he, every once in a while in the neighborhood, we would hear this, boom, sounds like a generator exploding. And like, um, it's his canon. He's got like a little fucking canon. And like, he, like, he likes a canon in his yard. Oh, it's a little, but like he's so, so, what's he shoot, not? Well, he doesn't put cannonballs in it. There's a way to do it.

52:28So like, my kid, like, one day pulls up in front of my house with a truck. It's like, one of my kids bur, like, it just had a birthday. And he's like, did they want to see the canon? I'm like, I do. I know I do. And so, like, it was like the coolest thing ever, man. He takes his fucking can, little, little canon. I'm looking at it. I'm like, that can't be loud. You know what I mean? He takes his little canon. He does some crazy, like pirate shit with it that I still don't understand. He's like, knows how to operate a canon. Boom! My kids were like, holy shit. My neighbors ran into the yard because they thought something had happened.

53:06Well, Duncan, you've shot guns before. Yeah. Think about how little gunpowder is in, right, like a nine millimeter. Right. It's not a lot. Right. It's crazy loud. Right. You're right. It's just contained by that barrel. Yeah, right. And a canon is that, yeah, I got just in that bullet, but it's basically like, the little canon is kind of the same thing. Well, it totally made me, like, you know, it gave me a new picture of, like, canon battles on ships. I can't imagine how loud that was. I mean, imagine how loud that was. Like real canons? Yeah, dude. Like, I've been to a football game when they shoot off a canon, but I don't know if that was like a real canon canon, you know, like it probably, probably like the UNLV.

53:55What do they use? I mean, not UNLV. Yeah.

54:03UNLV, I blame the weed. Dude, like the UT one, do they have, um, it's called Smokey the Canaan to Recreation of a Civil War canon. A Civil War. Hey, guys, let it go. Yeah, maybe recreate an earlier canon, guys. How can you do a fucking pirate canon? Yeah, do a pirate canon. Don't say so. A witch side, bro. It's a fire's four shotgun shells after every time. That's crazy. Oh, so that's what it does. It doesn't. Gun shells, 10 gauge blank shotgun shells. Okay. Okay. So I guess that's probably not the sound of an actual canon. Look at that. Look at that. Crazy. That's a happy canon, man. You know, it's really loud.

54:47But the point is a wonder like to shoot a canon ball, like at a ship back then like how much gunpowder they use and how fucking loud was that? And how deaf were those motherfuckers? The dudes who had to work the canons deaf. Deaf is fuck deaf. Deaf is fucked, dude. And how much brain damage you get to stand in next set? They boom or they're equal. Yeah. They recoil. If you don't get out of the way, it will rip your leg off. That's a bad man. Yeah. That thing is flying back, right? Didn't they have them on tracks? Yeah, man. Yeah. They it will like, um, so does a rip out of the fucking floor. Didn't they have like cannons on tracks?

55:26I just saw this. Let me get up. That's probably how they just moved them. No, I thought they were on tracks like so that when they shot, they would slide back and not rip the floor apart. I just thought that John Adams doc on Netflix. I think it's on Netflix. I don't know what it's that. What it's on, but there was like a canon battle in a ship. And like, yeah, dude, just gets his fucking leg ripped off because it like back, it like goes back into it. I mean, it's dude, isn't it crazy that that seems crazy to us? But like how many people died in canon battles as opposed to like when Israel bombs Gaza?

56:00Dude, how many people are, I mean, like a bomb, which we do right now, it seems so much more brutal than cannon battles. Like, can a battle seem like really ineffective? It's probably, they probably sucked. Yeah. How far did that cannon ball go? Like how good would they are judging it? Here we go. This is what a cannon is like.

56:22I am. See how it slides back? It's on wheels. Yeah. And then there's a rope that catches it. Yeah, dude, what a imagined life back then. And they thought that was the shit. That was like a fucking iPhone 16. Bro, I got a cannon. Yeah, you know, we used to be able to, you used to have to go up to the boat, jump in, hack everybody to death, light it on fire. Now, think it, you shoot it from over here. Incredible. You don't even have to jump on the boat. Amazing. Yes. Yeah, man, I'll tell you though, with all the shit that's going on right now, I know everyone's freaked out, but the reason I'm hopeful is not because of like the bombings and the deaths, obviously, it's the outcry.

57:06Like, like when in history has there been this level of outcry, like, no, what are you doing? Stop. Like, to me, like that's the sign that human consciousness is like evolving to value life in a way that maybe we didn't value before. Because like, there, there have been infinite wars. And like, including like the, how many people did we fucking bomb? How many people, how many civilians did we fucking kill when we were fucking bombing Iraq? How many? No, there's a, it's a lot, right? Well, they don't know like the full number. You get two different people's numbers, but they think that it's somewhere in the neighborhood of a million people died.

57:55Right. So, so in that, is that, is that correct? Is that I think it's also like death that they attribute to things that happened because of the war, but I think it led to a million innocent deaths or somewhere in that range. You do. I think that was a high end. But, and then there was an outcry over that war, but like the same as this. But yeah, but, right. If you think about the numbers, like, yeah, I think it's also the access that we have now to cell phone footage and how good it is and how quickly it gets posted. I mean, that's relatively recently, you know, yeah, like that's the real abilities of these phones, like to make videos like they do now.

58:33How long has that been going on? You're right. 10 years. You're right. You know, 100 ,000, 100 ,000, 66 ,000 civilians, 210 ,296 civilian deaths from violence, 109 ,000 deaths, including 66 ,181 civilian. That's weird. I don't understand what they're saying there. What's that? It just pulled that section from the middle of this whole thing. Civilian deaths from violence. Does that mean war? Like, what does that mean? So that's civilians that were killed entirely by war or is that civilian to die just from violence? Well, any kind of violence, yeah, like stabbing your neighbor. But this is like, Carlin does jokes about this.

59:26This is what's really insidious about this shit. It's like, it's war. Yeah. Say it's fucking war. It's like, it's like the violence, the violence is related to war. So don't say from violence, say from fucking war because that's what war does. And, you know, it's really crazy looking at dead human numbers. Go put that back up, please. When you're looking at the number, 210 ,296 civilian deaths from violence, when you look at that number, you just, it's so too dimensional. You don't get an understanding of how insanely evil that number really is. 210 ,296 people that didn't have to die. How many memories that died because someone wanted to do something and got a group of people to go and do their bidding.

1:00:22And they all were, they're all were authorized to shoot people. Yeah, man. Yeah, this is a crazy thing that we still do as human beings. And the problem is I don't see a way out of it because terrorists are real. Criminals are real. Bad people are real. This is the world we're living in. Unless you take mushrooms, we got to get mushrooms legal for the entire country. The whole country. Yeah. And just force them down everybody to throw force people to do mushrooms. Do it for everyone else. That's our robots. That's our robot. Fucking like like like a bird. It just pokes its fucking thing in your mouth and sprays the lesiban in there.

1:01:04Can you imagine if AI forced us all to take tilisiban? What a horrible day that would be. But imagine like that was AI solution. AI was like human beings actually developed their consciousness through this sort of relationship that they had with Cubence's mushrooms. And this is the facts and this is how we know. And this is why the doubling of the human brain size is such an anomaly and aligns with the Terence Bakenna's theories about how the grasslands receded. You know, it's an upgrade. The the rainforests receded into grasslands and people started eating cow shit bugs and cow shit mushrooms.

1:01:41And then they started thinking about things different. Oh my God. Imagine the AI tells us that's how what so you just need to keep going. Yeah, I would say. Yeah, you guys like quit. Like, you know, you got your purple belt and you like try to get an injury and you're backed out. Go deeper. Go deeper. You need a little deeper. Little deeper. Little bit. And if AI just like tells people like this is what you really should be taking, like imagine if like instead of mushrooms, especially so cyber instead of it being something that terrifies people and that makes people think, Oh my God, you take it.

1:02:12You're going to lose your mind. You take it. You're going to be a fucking loser. Imagine if it was actually scientifically proven that it does make you smarter and it makes you more effective at being a person and that these are the right doses. Imagine if AI just starts spitting out doses in order to gain this percentage of increase in cognitive ability. Fucking best. You can get this percentage of increase in empathy at this dose for this many days and it just starts like reenergizing engineering human beings. Do you still a cyber? You know, one of the things that Ramdas said, which I love is when they they would ask him things like, how you know, how did this happen to you?

1:02:48How did you get? Where how do you get like to be this benevolent like thing that is radiating love all the time, which he was? He goes, I trusted the mushroom. And he minute dude. And because I don't know that we get our ondas without psilocybin. Like, is that like the, he's, there's a beautiful famous story of him hanging out with Tim Leary and some other like luminaries and they had synthetic psilocybin. And that was pretty much like the real beginning of his like path. And like, you know, I'm sometimes I'm a little skeptical about this concept because I worry that because I've met people who are really into psychedelics who are like somehow it went the opposite direction.

1:03:34They're really kind of egoic. They're into the dosage and how many times they're very guru like, they become guru. You know, they but and by the way, guru isn't always bad, not always, but they become narcissistic. Yeah. They become power gurus more like sorcerers and in co leaders, co leaders. And so, so yeah, so like I worry that, you know, because everyone's like, what if we just gave Putin a shit ton of mushrooms? It's like, well, it's going to go one of two ways. Like, it's going to be like where he just like is like, oh my fucking god. Oh my fucking god. I thought I was Russian. I'm unearthling.

1:04:16What the fuck was I think? This is I was conditioned. This is brainwashing. I got brainwashed by culture and and it's over guys. No more of this shit. I retire. I'm moving to fucking Hawaii, whatever. But like the air goes the other way, which is like, oh god wants me to fire nuclear missiles. You know, we don't know. Roll the dice. Right. Roll the dice. So, yeah, but I do think if we're looking at like massive like instantaneous shifts and planetary consciousness, psychedelics, definitely one of the ways. Like, if you're to the brotherhood of eternal love. No, but I don't like the way it sounds.

1:05:04I think you like them. Just the name. It's like, that sounds like the bad people in some really corny movie. Does brotherhood of eternal love. You're the brotherhood of eternal love. Speaking of which, I saw a really good movie last night. What? What it is, I think it's called late night with the devil. It's about, it's a 2024 movie about a talk show host in 1977 that has this girl come on the show and it's like really done. Like, it looks like you're in 1977. And the girls possessed. And it like it builds, man. Dude, it's so fucking good. Have you seen this? Yes. Oh, you loved it, right? Dude, I loved it.

1:05:45It's great. It's so good. Late night with the devil official. I mean, I think it just came out a couple months ago. I must have just went straight to being streamed, but it's fucking good, man. And that's good casting, dude. All of it, like that, the host is so much like that level talk show host from that time period. And it's scary. And it's fucking good. Yeah, it's solid. Highly recommend. Yeah, it was solid. It was really solid. Solid, dude. And dude, you know what I just saw that, and I was super skeptical about this one. But it's not bad. The Pope's exorcist. Have you seen that? Really? Dude, I know.

1:06:24I had the same thinking, my brother -in -law who's got really good taste in movies. And he's like, it's actually not that bad. It's a little cheesy. It's fucking good, dude. Really? Yes. It's very good. But stupid, but good. You know what I mean? This is the Pope's exorcist? Yeah. And I usually don't get into Russell Crowe. I don't get into exorcist movies, usually. Why do they all fucking turn their head like that? But what's interesting is this guy, the Pope, has an exorcist. And he wrote a bunch of fucking books. And so it's kind of drawing from like stories of this guy doing exorcisms. And it's fascinating, man.

1:07:04It's really interesting. It would be the greatest deception ever if demonic possession was real. And we were all mocking it. And then one day you saw it. You actually saw it. You were like, oh no, it's real. Dude, I think it is real. Like, I think we've just come up with new words for it. But have you ever had this happen? I'm going to get made fun of this. Have you ever had this happen? Have you ever been super high? You're walking down the street. You pass somebody having a psychotic episode. And they start saying what you're thinking. Have you ever had that happen? No. I have. Really? Yeah.

1:07:47What were you thinking though? I'm hot. Did it under degrees out? I feel crazy. I was thinking, are you anything? I feel crazy. I feel crazy. I'm hot. I'm like, oh my god. He knows, he grew in my mind. I'm too high right now. How he can read my mind. No, no, it was like, no. He was like kind of like, he was like garbling out like shit. I think I was thinking about like, I mean, obviously any of this stuff, it's not scientific. Obviously, he's not scientific. Wait a minute, you're not a scientist. I am a scientist. I am actually, yeah, I am a fucking scientist. I study rainbows. I study the power of rainbows to heal animals.

1:08:26There is, I forget who posted it up, but there's some video of all these college kids talking about, it went viral. All these college kids talking about what their degree was in. And all these woke kids with these ridiculous degrees, like what they studied. Yeah, man. Dude, very expensive to get those fucking degrees. It is a hilarious video because it's like, how does anybody not see that that is a massive waste of your time? Like, what have you done? You have been tricked. You have been tricked into getting a degree in nonsense. Dude. Dad. Right, papers in nonsense and books in nonsense. But aside from that, you know what you've really been tricked into.

1:09:08You've become a fucking vassal of the banks. Like you are eternally indebted to the structures that you are opposing. It's like, oh, really? Oh, what's your, oh, so you spent how much again, like $180 ,000 to get to major in like communist studies? Great. Okay. You're late on your payment by the fucker. You got to pay us now. Yeah. Not only that, it's the ultimate mafia group. Like they want your money no matter what. Even if social security, fuck you, pay me. The ultimate fuck you, pay me, people. Fuck you, pay me. You can't. Apparently, we talked about this before, but apparently there are certain circumstances under which there's a certain type of bankruptcy that allow you to evade that.

1:09:59But I wonder what that is. It's suicide. I'm not going to put it before the podcast, but I don't understand enough to interrupt. Yeah. I remember us talking about it. I don't understand it either. Dude, this is like, man, what we've definitely talked about this before, but rest in peace, David Graber, or at a great book called Bullshit Jobs. Brilliant mind, man. Brilliant mind, but he basically talks about how like, so ideas, I'm going to go to college. Discharge. Discharge. Sorry to interrupt. No problem, man. Discharge and bankruptcy. If you declare bankruptcy and then the bankruptcy court determines repaying your loans would cause undue hardship, your loans can be discharged.

1:10:38How many times does that happen? Zero. It's like, yeah, it's legal as long as it's judged the signs. I'm sorry, but repaying your loans always produces undue fucking hardship. It sucks to pay back loans. It sucks. It always sucks. I don't want to fucking nice money. I want a boat. I want a swimming boy. Yeah. Like, for example, several types of loans. Associated with education expenses are dischargable in bankruptcy, like most other types of unsecured consumer debt. These types of loans for education expenses are not subject to the more difficult standard and extra step. These loans could include, for example, loans where the loan amount was higher than the cost of the attendance, such as tuition, books, rooms, and board, which can occur when a loan is paid directly to a consumer, loans pay for education.

1:11:27So that means they could do it. They could forgive you if the loan amount was higher than the cost of attendance. Is that what it's saying? Or is it saying it's going to pay you the difference? Like, you could deduct the difference when you get bankruptcy. Loans to pay for education at places that are not eligible for title for funding include unaccredited colleges, a school in a foreign country. So so much for your wizard university, Duncan. Yeah, you can't go bankrupt with your wizard degree. You still have to pay. Are you fucking kidding? You have to pay. You have to pay. You have to pay. You have to pay.

1:12:08And also, it's like... It's unaccredited, Duncan. But the rainbow thing, it's like something's changed in the earth. That atmosphere because it's not healing anymore. It's an unaccredited wizard school. Yeah. You went cheap and now you're fucked. Well, I'm sorry, Joe. Not everybody who is born a billionaire like you. I was born a billionaire. I know you weren't I'm joking. I don't think that that wizard stuff is good anyway. I think it's... I think you're toying with the devil. Just like that late night show. I'm that little bald guy. Okay. I was like, in the show, that's me. Okay. You're resting with something.

1:12:44Can I ask you something? Yes. Where did the devil come from? That's a good question. Did God make the devil? What a mean trick. Imagine, imagine, do you need the devil? Do you need, is it symbolic of what we need in this life? Like, do we need to see what's happening in Palestine in order to reassess the way we behave as a civilization? Do we need crime to get out of hand before we realize that law and order is important? Right. And that we really need to figure out a way to stop crime at its root source, which is disenfranchised people. Do we really need something? Maybe that's the only way we learn.

1:13:26Maybe there's like, you know, like lottery winners. They don't do well, dude. They don't do well because they didn't learn. They just got all this money like, wow, another Joe and blow and they're out of fucking got and it's gone. It's gone. That's gone. You're mad at everybody. It's mad at you. You didn't invest in the business with your uncle. And everybody's pissed to you. So you're asking, do we need the devil? I wonder if you need a bad and a good. I wonder if you need something. I wonder if you need to see 200 plus thousand dead people and just have that number in your head and just try to picture what that looks like.

1:14:00I wonder if we need that in order to realize, yes, yes, that there's like, you don't grow without resistance. Like, this is, we're thinking of it as just playing, this is life. But we're in the middle of a process. Yeah. We're in the middle of a process. Everyone understands this and no one thinks about it. We are in the middle of this intellectually evolutionary process. And there's something. That's funny that I said those two words in such a goofy way, intellectual evolution. But there's a thing going on where we're assuming that civilization is going to be better all the time and we're always going to get better all the time, which is really interesting because no other animal does that.

1:14:47There's not another animal alive that says we only killed, you know, 47 zebras this year. Next year, we're fucking cranking it up. We're going to be better and more efficient. We want to be better at everything. We want to be better at our industry. We want to be better at fixing our infrastructure. We want to be better at housing. We want to be better all the time. Like, there's this constant push for progress. Right. And if you just step back and look at where it's going with this train wreck of AI happening at the same time that's going on. It's like, oh, we were fueling this. Yeah. We're fueling the takeover.

1:15:20We were buying iPhones. Dude, I think this is so funny you're mentioning this because honestly, it's so embarrassing. It's, this is so dumb. Ever, I don't care. I'm wearing a robot outfit. I had the gym yesterday. I'm working out and I've started listening to classic gospel music. Whoa. It is so good. If you're having a shitty day, it doesn't matter if you're not Christian. Just fucking listen to it. It's so upbeat and like, it makes you happy and it's kind of magical. But like, so I'm at the gym and I'm thinking about Jesus because I've been listening to gospel music. And like, I was thinking like, oh, oh, like maybe the idea as far as like the devil goes because I always wonder that who made the devil?

1:16:10Why did God make the devil? Why is there a devil? Is there a devil? Is it just a fucking symbol for something? But I realize like, oh, like, you know that stupid song. If you love somebody, it's that I'm free. So it's like the idea being, I'm setting, I'm making you. You're sentient. I'm setting you free. And I'm setting you free in a fucking universe where there are, there's collectivized evil. There's some kind of like, like, somatics. There's some kind of thing that forms, which will fuck you up. And because I love you, I'm going to let you figure it out. And then from that perspective, and also if there is some superintelligence and somehow in the universe, there's a bifurcation or something that's centered on the self instead of others that has an intelligence to it to really like fucking flex to that thing.

1:17:08You're like, okay, I'm just going to give you these things that I love so much. And if you win, if you corrupt my creation fully, then you win. I was wrong. But I don't think you are. I don't think it's going to happen because inevitably, whatever it is, you take a psychedelic for me whenever I take psychedelics too many, right away I start thinking about how selfish I am. I start thinking like, dude, like it hurts. It hurts to be jealous. It hurts to not help. It hurts to be so cherishing of myself. And anytime I'm not doing that, I'm so happy. Yeah. So, but to force that out, you can't force that out of somebody.

1:17:56They have to stumble upon it somehow. And that's Christianity. They don't get it unless they feel it. That's it. And so to let these things, theoretically, I'm talking about from Christian cosmology that you love more than anything else, to fucking, which by the way, like in the Garden of Eden story, when God says something like, where are you to Adam and Eve? And apparently the original translation that crying out is the way, like, you know, if you ever lost your kid at a playground, it's that. It's not like, where are you? So that aaves, it's like when you're calling for your kids. So, yeah, it's heavy, man.

1:18:36And so like, so yeah, I feel like that maybe the whole thing is designed for us individually to stumble upon that basic truth that underneath the shell is love. And the love wants to express itself. And love doesn't express itself by saying, me, me, me, me, me, me. Love is always like, I love you. What can I do for you? Let me help you. It's like the person swimming into the lake for no reason to get that last person who fucking was in a car accident. And they drown. You know, they get the person to save you and they die. This is, to me, I think that's the devil. So that's why it's there. It might be real.

1:19:20I think it's a term of convenience. It's great. But it's like, holy shit, man. Like, as an inclination, it's real, right? Like, whether or not you murder a baby because the devil may do it or because some other force that is just like the devil that just happens to be a part of human beings. Yeah. And violent rage is they could do horrific things. And then on top of that, also intentionally evil, just like chimpanzees. Yeah. I mean, chimpanzees do it. Do we think that devil's invading the chimps when they're doing it? Or do we think that this is some bygone, some leftover shit that's in our DNA that can go sideways and allow people to become serial killers?

1:20:03You do. A lot of people to become assassins. I think it's a semantics argument. I think it's like, it's an identification of a possibility in a human life. There is a possibility in a human life to make a series of shitty decisions. And those shitty decisions lead you into darker and darker and darker experiences of reality. And the darker your experience of reality, the more likely you are to make a shitty decision. Because like, you've gotten yourself into fucking debt. You went to wizard school. You've got your study fucking rainbow magic. It doesn't seem to be real. No one's coming to your clinic.

1:20:35Now you're like, 800 ,000 dollars in fucking debt. And now what are you going to fucking do? Like, you've got to figure out how to make money. So how are you going to make the fucking money? Well, you find some scam or some shit, right? And then the next thing you know, now you're like lying to people. And now that you're lying to people, you have to keep fucking lying to people. And then you start lying to yourself. And then you get lost in a maze of self deception that leads you into lower and lower and lower levels of consciousness. And so the next thing you know, you're in fucking jail or you're dead.

1:21:03You're killing somebody. And so, so like, you call it whatever you want to fucking call it. But this entropic reality in human existence is very fucking real. And the message of all the great lineages, whether it's Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, is at any given moment in that hell state you've gotten yourself into. There is a way to get the fuck out. You don't have to be in hell. It's like what CS Lewis says, the gates of hell are locked from the inside. There's a fucking way out. It's so good, dude. It's so good. It's so good. That's what you get what? And that's, you know, that's why I love Jesus.

1:21:44That's why I love the message of Christianity. Why should I look into Jesus? Praise God. You heard that song, right? Yeah, dude, I'm like, The tongue is fucking great. It shows up on my gospel playlist. Isn't it weird that that guy, like that was it? That was like, that was his song. It is like just one song that was a banger, but you listen to the rest of them. You're like, oh, dude, I know that sucks. Oh, God, man. That's the worst. There's a few of those guys that we feel like, you know, Johnny Thunder, you know that song? I'm alive. No. Brought, I played that song for so many fucking people, including musicians, you know?

1:22:15I played it for Zach Bryan. He was like, woo, like you hear it, people like, God, damn. And it's from 1969. One hit, wonder. Dude, I don't even think it was a hit. There was another version of it that his version of I'm Alive was a cover of. And it was better than the original version. And it was so good. You're like, if this guy can make this song, somebody needs to write for him, man. This guy's a star. This guy's got bangers. I mean, this was a fucking tremendous song. And it was just one. Dude, I know it's like, that's got, that just, it's like, it's got to be so scary, man. Like, you know, when you make a great movie, and then you got to make your next movie, like, it's got to be fucking good.

1:22:58Like, say you make that movie, what's it called, Deus Ex Machina? You know that movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're like, you're, I got to make another movie. And then you're like, civil war. And oh, fuck.

1:23:13I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That is the guy, right? Man, I'm sorry, Alicara. Like, by the way, you're brilliant. Like, like, I get it. Like, the attempt, I get it. And who knows, you never know what happened in the process. And like, man, I feel like, now that this is so, now I've started doing video, and I'm recognizing just like how hard it is just to like get the lighting right from my dumb ass and then they're rambling. Like anyone who makes a fucking movie is a, is a genius fucking wizard. So I do, and all the people that come together, some of them just don't work out the way they want it to work out.

1:23:50They just don't work out. That's how it is like, like, pilots for TV shows, it's for sketches that people create. Yeah. Yeah. But like, I just, like, I think doing a video podcast and then critiquing a great director is pretty fucked up, man. I just, I don't mean, I just, and a lot of people like the movie, but, um, you try to dig yourself out. I just feel bad. I feel bad. I feel bad. But damn it was horrible.

1:24:29It was so bad. That's hilarious. It was so bad. Yeah. Oh my god, that's funny. Yeah, I'm glad I didn't see it. No, you're lucky to see it. You've been watching the gentleman on Netflix. No, what's that? Oh, dude. It's a guy -richy series on Netflix. It's fucking amazing. What is it? It's about these weed growers in, uh, in the UK. Cool. It's, I don't want to give away any more of it, but it's basically the movie the gentleman I don't know if you ever saw the movie, but this is the, the same world that the movie takes place in just with different characters. Cool. It's fucking great, man. It's great show.

1:25:09I think it has like six episodes or how many episodes did I have? Eight. There's some good movies coming out right now, man. It's kind of awesome. We went through like a pretty rough sentiment drought. I don't know. Do you remember COVID? I mean, you got to think about how many movies get, they get drawn up, they get funded, COVID hits, everything gets shut down. Everything gets shut down. And then everybody loses money. No one's going to the movies anymore. Yeah. Everything's fucked. Yeah, that's sad. You have to wait for forever before things get back on track. Yeah. Things start getting profitable again, then they start making a dude too.

1:25:40You know, there's so fucking bad. There's so much I haven't seen about her. It's awesome. They start making movies like that. They start making banger movies again. Dude, Dune 2 is so fucking good. I watched it with a song and dude, I was like, you know that, like you get bliss and movies are so good and you're the right amount of stone. And like you realize like, oh my god, it's only been 30 fucking minutes. And this is already the most insanely beautiful thing I've ever seen in my fucking like the soundtrack. When you look up how they made the soundtrack for that movie, it is in pain, man. Everything about it is like they had throats singing in it.

1:26:21They've got like, it's so cool, dude. Do you read the books? No. The books are so good. They're the first one. Honestly, the second one I struggle with, but the first one is. Wait a minute, what book? Dune. No, I didn't read that. Frank Herbert, it's one of the best sci -fi books I've done. I think I read. I think I read one of those. Do they make them into like comic books, like really nice comic books? Probably. Did they? But you can't, I never got into the first one. The first movie. So when the second one came around, I was like, ah, dude. I keep hearing it's amazing. Second one's better than the first and the first was great.

1:27:01If you're like a doon nerd, which I am, but like you're a doon nerd. Oh, I'm a doon nerd. I've been reading that book since. What interesting. Dude, the spice of my launch. And like, but the way he's first of all Frank Herbert was my colleges. The guy wrote doon. Did you know that? He's like a really respect. Stamets talks about it. Like, yeah. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah.

1:27:30Whoa. Dunkin. This is what gonna happen when Trump wins. Robert Jeneiro is right. Robert Jeneiro is right, Dunkin. Do you want to line up and lose all your rights? And he never leaves the White House. And you have throat singing on the Capitol Hill. He'll step. You get it. And so funny. I was like, dude, that sounds awesome. Make a man go for it or get it. Make a man go for it. Make a man go for it. Make everybody's neat thing gets a gun. Granted, that's the more. Granted, that's the more. And then there's a snake in. We'll give you money. It's gonna be a game vote for us. Dude, yeah. So like, the, there's always theories about doon.

1:28:14But the blue eyes, so you eat this spice melange that like, though, that you need it for space travel. It's only produced on, you know, the story. But like, the blue eyes. So there's a theory because he was, Frank Irving was a my colleges. The blue eyes represent psilocybin. And like, that was his melange is like psilocybin. And like, dude, and he, he apparently, I think it's Sam Fran, he was living on a boat next to Alan Watts. And they were, they were fucking friends. So a lot of the, like, you remember the gum and Jabbar, the needle that that witch puts to Paul the Dredes neck to say, like, they want to find out if you're human.

1:28:59So you put your hand in this box that if you pull your fucking hand out of the box, she stabs you with this needle. It kills you because you're not human who gives a fuck. And so gum Jabbar, gum is into betting Buddhism is the name for meditation. So there's all these like, clearly he was pals Alan Watts. And he like, like, weaves a lot of like, the lot of the language in it is like the, the, the, the daughter in the womb. I think her name is Aliyah, which is like a Buddhist term for like the emptiness for a state of pure consciousness. And so it's a deep book is my point. And you know, you would love it.

1:29:36And it inspired Star Wars, right? Didn't we just talk about this? We did, right? Duncan might know more about that, but it was that they came from the same thing, I think. What do you mean? Dune and Star Wars came from the same place, like they both, and they were inspired by the same thing. I asked that question out loud. I thought, I thought we talked about it the other day. But did we not talk about it on the podcast? Okay, we did, right? But I think it was, it, Dune came before Star Wars. And then Star Wars was written by different people. I don't know. I think Dune predates Star Wars for sure.

1:30:08Yeah, Dune predates Star Wars. We talked about it the other day. What is the whole story though? What were you trying to say? I didn't understand what you're saying. Did they both, I had asked that out loud. I said, didn't, isn't Dune just star, or Star Wars is a Dune rip off? And then I dug into it. And it says that they both, like our, sorry, both creators took similarities and inspiration from the same original source. I think it's, but what's the original story? I'm trying to read as I'm talking. That's what I'm saying. Oh, so there's something else. There was an original story like that. I'm sorry.

1:30:37It's like a short story. Dune is influenced. Oh, probably. It's like the, it's like the greatest sci -fi book. If you ask me and it's influenced all sci -fi, it's so fucking good, dude. And did you see David Lynch's Dune? No. Oh, man. You got to watch Sting is in David Lynch's Dune. And like, man, I did see it. That was the original one, right? The Lynch one was the original one. Yeah, and I didn't get into it. No, well, it was massively criticized because like, there have been attempts to do Dune. This famous guy, Jotarowski, there's a whole documentary on his idea for Dune. David Lynch takes on the project.

1:31:11And where the Dune we have now succeeds where he failed is they broke the book into two movies. Every sci -fi property you love is based on foundation. And your essay? Isaac Asimov's foundation series is widely understood to be the inspiration for Star Wars Dune and even the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Wow. You know, one of the things about the new Dune is the people that grind me. Right. They look like they're really in that world. There was a thing about those old Dune that I couldn't get into because everybody looked too clean. Everybody looked like they just stepped right out of wardrobe.

1:31:51I just didn't, you know what I'm saying? Like, you see that when the guys throw it singing and those people, they're walking down and putting everybody's dirty. Yeah, it's cool. They're grimy. That's a, yeah. You live in a crazy fucked up hard ass life. Yeah, yeah. And like, in the book, like what they, even in the newest one, I don't think they can vey like he writes about the smell in those speeches and the underground, like, in the caves that the Fremen are living in. He talks about the smell of the bio and there, like just all of these people living underground and the stink of that. But dude, did you see that video of David Lynch eating this girl's panties?

1:32:30Um, what? No. For real? Yeah. Yeah. How's he doing that? Jamie? Do you want one of these? You want to lose see? Yeah, let me spit this thing out.

1:32:46Renegade, Rogue. Check it. Thank you. Do you know the Zen Spiracy? Do you know about this? We're all being accused of secretly being sponsored by Zen. Yeah. It's the funniest shit. Okay, watch this. This is crazy. Okay. This would be being dedicated to Deb. That's real? Dude, is that not real? That's AI, bro. Goddamn it. I don't know, ma 'am. He's looking forward to this. I don't know who the voice is. When was it posted? Yeah, no look, cause this is just that up. This is, I did see multiple videos or versions of the video too. It just looked like his mouth was moving weird. I mean, I hope it's real.

1:33:22Thank you very much. They're still warm. Okay. Now, the very warm is matter of fact, cinnamon. Okay. And now, the deal is I'm going to put these panties in my mouth and pronounce WMM's full username. Are you ready? He's a genius. What the fuck, dude? I love him.

1:33:54Jump down.

1:34:04Okay. That's probably one of them frequencies that called the devil. That's probably what the devil responds to. If you have a mouthful of panties, you try to read anything. The devil's like, I got you. I got you now. That's a son of a god. This is a sound that you make. Like a sound you make with a mouthful of panties. Imagine, demons just summon and they're like, we were waiting for you to open the portal. You have to make that sound. Like the only way to make that sound is to be such a deprave fuck. Do you have someone's panties stuffed in your mouth? May I stop you there? I don't think it's deprave.

1:34:38The show of a beautiful woman's panties. I don't either. But the devil thinks that it is and God thinks it is. Well, they agree. Like, this is an opportunity to go after him. Look, this guy's out there eating people's underwear. Let me tell you. He's not going to solve the world's problems. He's so crazy he's eating underwear. Why does everybody want to solve the world's problems? Let's shove panties. We're all in this together, Duncan. I want to eat panties. We are on the production line for AI and you're not doing your part. Dude, I, listen, if there is a Satan, he doesn't want us to put panties in our mouth.

1:35:08That's what the devil would really be. The devil would really be anti panties in mouth and like, you should be like, don't ever... He would want you on Adderall. And he would want you working 24 hours a day. Exactly. Exactly. The devil doesn't want us, the devil hates David Lynch. If there is a devil, he doesn't like David Lynch. Right, because he's having fun. Stuffed warm panties in his mouth. Yeah. It happened in 2000. Two or three. Back when it was legal. What if that was illegal? What if it really fucking developed laws for panty eating? Like enough. We've summoned too many demons. People just realize that all you have to do is like, hold hands with mouthful.

1:35:48It's like a handfuls of panties. And if the two of you are talking at the same time, you can summon a super demon. Dude. Like, it is kind of... I mean, like, that's a... That was a... That wasn't like a dainty panty. Like, I mean... He stuffed a real panty in there. That wasn't a G -string. That was a G -string. That was a G -string. It had a back... A little bit of a back to it. Like, and then to still be able to talk. Oh yeah, what a genius. He's so good. He's so good. Really good at talking. Dude, I'm... He's the best. Oh, Lord, Lord. The puddles open. Mura -ah! Mura -ah! Twin Peaks was great.

1:36:23Creatures hiding in your closet. David, thank you for bringing me here. Thank you, David. I have an idea for your next song. What do you tell you, man? Sound you make with a mouthful of panties. Dude, yeah, well, I mean, look, this is the thing. Like, David Lynch is one of the great artists alive today. And this thing where we expect artists to behave like normal people... Yeah, I don't expect that at all. That's... Fuck it, not you. But I, like, you read the comments and people are like... Oh, they're so mad at them, I'm sure. But I don't have to read it. But it just says, it's just like, that's just what it is.

1:36:59And it's also not representative, I think, of actual, a real number of actual people. The problem is, it's like, whatever you do a survey, people say, oh, the survey is like, no, you don't get a real percentage. I don't give a fuck what your study says. You only get 100 % of the people that are on your survey are so fucking dumb that they reply to surveys. Yes. Exactly. This is not everybody. Exactly. It's not even close. Exactly. It's just like comments. Who the fuck leaves comments? How do you have time? I think about that. Unless you're like, good job. Congratulations. It's being nice. Who has time?

1:37:43If you do, there's no chance you're devoting the proper amount of time to the things in your life that you should write. So it's this massive distraction. And you get these arguments online that distract you from the failures in your real life. But that is representative in a lot of people's minds to how people think about whatever this person posted or whether this political argument that people are having about things. But that's not real. And then you've got the algorithm manipulation we were talking about. And it's just even more crazy. But now not only do you have the most complaining fucking people complaining, but you have the algorithm showing things that are going to piss you off like, look at this fucking out.

1:38:22And the phone's going to know that you took a screenshot of the comment and you sent it to me. And I'm like, wow, what a dick. And I'll send it to other people. I'll send people a link. Look at this moron. These are people in the comments. That's it. And that's what happens. Yep. And that's a storm. That's like a, that's a neurological hurricane sweeping through brains around the planet. A megalos fucking squirt and fucking cortisol hanger teams fucking get ready to do battle for fucking what? Yeah, dude. For what? What are you arguing about? So this is I've heard, I don't know if you've heard about this.

1:38:53Like there's some, the kids now I'm 50 so I could say that for sure. The kids. The kids now are apparently there's a whole new thing where they're just, they're putting their phones down. There's this whole thing or they're just like, fuck this. My friend was really? Yes. That's what I heard that like, um, you're dealing with a lot of weird kids though. Well, I'm not dealing with any kids. Like my friend. You do with hippies. Yeah. They got fucking straw hats on there in the woods barefoot. Yeah. Well, but I like tie dyed mushroom shirts on. If you think about it, like what, what do kids tend to do?

1:39:25Like what I did, rebel. And so like you're, so you're like God help you. Let's imagine you're raised by like an influencer mom. God help you. So your whole childhood has been on camera. And if it's not on camera, you're looking at your fucking mom staring at the comments of the video she posted. Yeah. If you're opening Christmas presents or you're just a standard kid and your childhood is constantly interrupted by your parents staring at their fucking phones. Yeah. So you get old enough. You're not going to associate phones necessarily with good feelings. And then you're like, you know what? Fuck these things.

1:40:00This made my parents fucking like distant. It made my parents upset. And they're just like fuck this, which means there's, by the way, that's scary if you want to monitor populations. Wow. Right now we're all in fucking Orwell, like some crazy version of 1984 way more sinister than the camera in your house. It's like you're carrying it around. But suddenly these like formerly monitored populations, they just go dark. Because like kids are just like, I'm not going to do this. They're meeting in parks. God help us all. They're meeting in parks. And they're saying things that are untraceable. No one knows what they're talking about.

1:40:42And so now you've got these? Yeah. I like to believe you're correct. This sounds like a movie. This is from a Pew Refund. 72 % of US teens say they often and sometimes feel peaceful when they don't have their smartphone. 44 % say it makes them feel anxious. Good for a hobby's less so for socialization. 69 % of teens say smartphones make it easier for youth to pursue hobbies and interests. True. Right. That's a good aspect of it. A few or 30 % say it helps people their age learn good social skills. That's true. It doesn't do that. Right. Prantal snooping. That's a problem. Half of parents said they'd look through their teens phone.

1:41:20You're going to find a lot of dicks. The other half are liars. About four in ten parents and teens regularly arguing with one other about time spent on their phone. Nearly half of teens 46 % say their parent is at least sometimes distracted by their phone when they're trying to talk to them. At what age do you think Felistar said in dick pics? Do you think they wait until it's legal? Would you? I don't think they do. So here's the thing. Like, you know, there was a girl that was charged with... She was charged with child pornography. I think she was 15 because she was sending naked photos of her body to other boys.

1:42:02So like, she was the pornography and the pornographer? Right. That's so fucked up. Find that story. See if you can find that story. It was like a national outrage story. Everybody was like, hey, hey, hey, man. She's fucking 15. She's not a child porn producer. Like, this is a bastardization of the law. Like, this is just a girl being silly. That's insane. She's getting a little wild. That is... that's terrifying. She might have been talked into it. Like, who the fuck knows? Did she got a jail? I don't know what the story was. Here's the story of a 17 -year -old boy who was charged. No, no, no.

1:42:36It's a girl. They dropped the charges in this case. Oh, okay, but find the one on the 15 -year -old girl. Because I'm trying to remember what the thing is. Not the easiest thing to dig through looking for child porn. No, no, no, no, no, no. 15 -year -old girl convicted her child porn. Can you say that? Are you just scared to type it? You gotta be careful with the words you look for when you type it in child porn. I'll Google it, you pussy. Google's already like, they're taking everything you have ever Googled. I typed it in and I'm just throwing you a popped up. Kid charged with child porn. How about 16 -year -old male?

1:43:08I understand. How about Google 15 -year -old girl charged with child porn? Girl.

1:43:20Teen girl charged with child porn. There it is. Five years ago, there's one. That's it, that's the girl. There's another one, there's more than one. There was different cases. Oh, it was an advantage porn. Oh, wait a minute, this is different. This is a 15 -year -old girl who was accused of requesting and sending nude photos to classmates under the identity of her ex -boyfriend. Oh, is facing multiple child porn charges. What a demon. She was sending them to classmates under the identity of her ex -boyfriend. Wow, how was she doing that? Fucking. So she was pretending that she was him and she was sending naked photos of herself to try to charge him for it.

1:44:04Oh, she was trying to nail him. Dude, she's a monster. Oh, look at this. She told police that she created a fake social account for revenge for the relationship ending with her ex -boyfriend. What a psycho. She also admitted she was jealous that her ex -boyfriend had been chosen to perform a solo in state finals for band. What? She was the crazy bitch for band -game. A monster. Remember that movie, what time of band -game? Yes. Wow. What a psychopath. She's only been on the planet 15 years and she's reached pre -evil. That is so crazy. Imagine trying to set your boyfriend up with child porn. Oh, god, damn it, dude.

1:44:48That is god. But was it like... Dr. Phil Kay is same thing. I don't know what that story is here. Is that the same gal? No, probably not. Is there talking to her? Look at that. She's got a cover of horns with fucking hair. Wow. I think she was in late night with the devil. Wow. Dude, that's so crazy that someone could be that evil at that age. Yeah. That's such a great. But then again, I mean, you ever see that movie City of God? It's the gang movie from Brazil on the Favellas. Who? Yeah. I say it's like one of the wildest gang movies I've ever seen in my life. It's probably the wildest. Yeah.

1:45:30Now, that's based on real life in the Favellas in some places. So that's a real, that's people really living that way. Like you get to imagine that's just you just become a sociopath at a very early age. You know, a psychopath at a very early age. You only went to stair up, stay a lot. Yep. And then, what is this way to go through? Or she's, she's so conniving. She's going to set up fake social media accounts. Yeah. And then get her boyfriend accused of child porn. Yeah. What? Yeah. How distanced are you from like the faddevious. Very fucking devious. How devious. Dude, if you're at the painted bird.

1:46:08No. Don't, I mean, it's so good. But it's the most like, it's like, it doesn't matter if you do spoilers for old books. But like one of the scenes, this, it's about a kid wandering. Like, I think it's World War II. He's lost his parents and he's got to like, he's just wandering through the countryside and seeing just the most horrific shit you've ever seen and surviving. But like, he watches these villagers take a woman and shove a bottle into her pussy and then stop on her pussy to break the bottle inside of her. Yeah, dude. And it's, it's, it's, that's not even the worst thing in the book. But, but so, so this innocent kid just is witnessing all of it.

1:46:55And it's talking about what you're talking about. It's like, it's like basically analyzed. It's sort of like showing like, where does evil come from? You know, are people born evil? Statistically, some people are born sociopaths. We know that, but it's a relatively small part of the population. But where does it come from? And inevitably, it comes from trauma that a kid is enduring. And then you have to survive, just like you're saying. You were programmed to fuck it. Right. And they're, it's self -obituating. It's going to continue because they're all going to see people murdered. It's like people living and gang -infested neighborhoods in America.

1:47:28Same thing. Yeah. It's continued. You're seeing it happen all the time and it's affecting all those families. Yeah. It's going to just keep rate. The kids are going to go into it. They see the drug dealer rolls by in the nice car. Yeah. Everybody else is a sucker for getting on the train. Yeah. And then everybody's in. And then the next thing, you know you're dead. And then it just keeps going. And you have kids that are raised without you. And then you're, it's like, whoo. And then what do you do? So then what happens? The reaction to the contagion is you, you, you, you, you, you, you are that person.

1:47:57So, so now you see like the person in full bloom of evil. And you look at that person. And then you see like, you're like, that's a fucking monster. But you can't go back and look at like their childhood. Because if you start going back and looking at their childhood, you're like, Jesus Christ. They're a victim. They're right. But you can't think about that. Right. To fully like monster -fives somebody, you got to fucking forget how they became the monster. And then, and then this is where you end up with a very non nuanced system of dealing with the contagion. Which will produce more contagion.

1:48:30Like this just spreads the fucking evil all over the fucking place. And I, and I grew with you, man. Like, I don't know the solution. But I know, but, but in, like, you know, this is where imaginary numbers came up with, you know, and, and math. It's like, you don't need to know the solution. Put an X there. It's like, clearly, this is a fucking problem. We've got this, the people who like are, are, are horrifically traumatized. And then from, they've made shitty decisions where they've got to commit to being some violent monsters, thieving pieces of shit, and rationalize it and justify it. But, but this is, if we could fix this problem.

1:49:10And I don't think the way we fix the fucking problem is dropping bombs on people. You're not fixing the problem. Like, if the answer to, to evil is more evil, what the fuck? It's like, it never ending. It's like scratching poison ivy. It's not going to go away. Right. And it actually makes more. Like, this is the thing that people are talking about, this, the Israel Hamas thing. Like, how many, you know, who was it that told us about this, the math, the way killing, like, terrorist math goes? Was it Dave Smith? Probably Dave Smith. It's not, it's not, it's not Dave Smith we talk about. But essentially, like, if one terrorist dies, it doesn't equal.

1:50:01You don't, like, lose a terrorist. You gain 10. Because all the people that he's connected to, they all become radicalized. They all want to, you kill their friend. You kill their family member. Kill their son. Yeah. They all, so you, you gain more terrorist. Dude, it's a, it's, it's, it's the worst fucking problem ever, man. Because like, you know, like, I, whenever, like, no matter how horrific the monster is, or how, like, whatever it is, I try to like, not be afraid to, to, to put myself in the position of whatever the fucking thing is. And in this case, we've got two sides that right now seem to be being equally vilified by different groups of people.

1:50:46Right. But man, dude, let me tell you something. If my fucking kid got blown up by a fucking bomb, right? That's it. My logic's out the window. I would like to think that I'd really listen to all the Ramdas retreats and stuff. And I'd like to think that I would be like, Gandhi, or have some blossom of love and be like, I forgive everyone. I'm, I'm afraid that's not going to happen. I'm going to want to hurt. And then if my fucking kid got dragged into a fucking tunnel, are you fucking kidding me, man? I'm not going to see clearly. Like, I'm going to want revenge, and I want my kid back. And whatever you do to get my fucking kid back, okay, like, have you seen the last of us?

1:51:28Like, like, so, so, so, what were, so, you know, this fucking, like, othering of whatever the fucking side is, is leaving out, like, what it feels like to love your kid. And like, like, look at a mother, like, it's throughout the animal kingdom. Don't fuck with a creature's kid. Like, I'm sorry. It will get you fucked up. Even if the thing's smaller than you and you fuck with its kid, it will, like, put itself in front of its kid. So, like, we are looking at a problem of love, sadly, which is like, on both sides, people love their fucking kids. And it's been like, I can't imagine how a day goes by.

1:52:13When you're fucking kids in a tunnel. I can't imagine how a day goes by. When you're thinking about how this thing that you fucking love more than anything in the world, got its head fucking blown off, in a fucking explosion, in a building. I don't know how you live one day like that, right? So, like, when you look at that, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the entirety of the thing is heartbreaking and irrational. Both sides are, it's pure, it's completely irrational because both sides are trying to put out a fire with more fire. And it's like, that's what it is. Dude. That's what it is, what you just said.

1:52:48Yeah, man. That's what it is. Yeah. Put out a fire with more fire. And it, that, we've tried it a million times throughout human history to put out the fire with fucking fire. And the very best, the fire will temporarily abate. But then it springs right the fuck back up. And so, and again, like, to me, like, I, I don't know the solution. And like, and, and, and, and that's the ex. It's like, but maybe the path to the solution is like, let yourself feel it entirely for both, for the whole fucking thing. Feel the whole thing, you know? And, and, and, like, and don't like, you know. And again, if you're like, these motherfuckers, fuck them.

1:53:34Fuck them. More fire. Your fuck them is the same thing causing the wars, right? Well, it's a problem when human beings don't know human beings, and they're the enemy. That doesn't make any sense. Regardless of how you think about religion and land, just stop for a second. Human beings that don't know other human beings and hate them so much they want to kill them. Like, seems that's a communication issue. Dude, that that seems like some tower of babble shit. Like, the only way it makes sense. If we really get to a point, and I don't think it's going to be far from now, where we're all connected with real -time translation in real time, somehow or another.

1:54:14I mean, they've already, they've already been able to do it with Google. You know, they're already doing it with Samsung phones, where they can translate conversations. You could be talking in Italian. I could be talking in English, translate back and forth to both of us. Yeah. It's wild what they're already able to do. If we can get to some sort of, I mean, it's not out of the question that if they do develop these neural implants, and there's not just neural link, there's several competing companies that are trying to do the same thing. Because they recognize that once you can actually affect the human mind with electronics, and you can develop this symbiotic relationship with electronics, you could do some wild shit.

1:54:50And one of the things is you're going to be able to talk with that words. You're going to be able to, well, if you're talking without words, what language is that in? Are you hearing that in a language, or are you understanding what the person is thinking? So this is the difference. If you're talking without words, the, what the problem is, how are we going to be able to translate all these different languages and dialects? We're not. We're going to go on thoughts. We're going to ditch language. Yeah. And we're going to go straight to thoughts. And we're going to interface with each other in a completely different way.

1:55:16So instead of thinking, you're reading people's minds, hey Duncan, would you like to go get pizza? Yeah, dude, are you reading my mind? Yeah. Instead of that, it's like, I think your thoughts, you think my thoughts, we think together. Yeah. So we abandon language. Yeah. There's no more need for that. That's it. You, you have AI that deals with mathematical problems, and structures, and construction of things. And then we just live in a world of thoughts with no language. We're one thing now. And then we're fucked. Because then you can't go back. You go back, you feel like you're just like walking when you just got out of a car.

1:55:50Yes. What the fuck, dude? I just drove. It took me two hours to get to Vegas in this car. If I walk, it's going to take years. Dude, I might die. This is why I think world peace is possible. Because if you fucking look at what's happening, the system, it's like the framework is being built for just what you're talking about. The technical framework for a state, you, you to get into that state, you either need to do a lot of psychedelics or a lot of meditation to really realize like you're me, I'm you. But the technological framework is forming for this thing to happen, which is why man, like everyone fucking, I'm going to seem like a musk fanboy in a Tesla suit.

1:56:35Everyone bash and fucking musk. It's like, dude, do you understand like what he's, what that in the future when people look back on that shit, even if it doesn't work, even if the things are coming unplugged, whatever the fucking thing is, if that leads to what you're talking about, God damn, that's electricity. That's like the end of war, that's the end of like the, the, the, the, the, the ideological barrier. Like if, imagine like whoever you hate the most in the fucking world, boop, put the thing on, you connect to them. This isn't real. It all goes where? And you just realize, Jesus fucking Christ, I see why they fucking hate me.

1:57:11And they're like, oh my God, I get why you're mad at me. I didn't mean it like that at all. And then, but how about you just completely abandon everything? And it just consciousness interacting with other consciousness, which makes hate impossible. Yeah. Because there's no more annoying language. There's no more people that are incapable of communicating the thoughts. There's none of that stuff. There's all that gone, all that gone, which is like, that's the problem of being like a communication bully. Like if you're a person and you know that you have a vastly superior, if you, if you have a vocabulary like an Eric Weinstein, like for instance, like imagine if Eric Weinstein decided to bully someone, you know, like fucking Red Band, you know, who's a brilliant guy.

1:57:58Brilliant. But you know, sometimes he like stumbles on his words like if fucking Eric Weinstein's yelling at him with a bunch of long words, you go, hey, that guy's being an intellectual bully. Yeah. Right. You're not trying to communicate with him as a human being. They're trying to dominate him with your superior vocabulary. Exactly. And it's a weapon. You can you go and you know, my vocabulary was like B plus. It's not that good. It's pretty good. But for a guy who talks for 11, he probably should be better. Because sometimes I get to words and I'm like, I'm like, all right, all right. But I always say it.

1:58:27I'm not sure if that's the right word. But the point is that like it is a tool that you can wield to for the benefit of your ego, rather than just having a conversation. And those are the grossest conversations when someone's just jizzing on you. Well, I started a business. I sold it at two billion and now like a bro, I got to go. You know, those those kind of people, like that's the lily that's what that is. That's their abusing communication in order to just, but if we get to a point where there's that never happens ever again, because instantly we just think thoughts. That's it. And you realize like, why people's thoughts are all fucked up.

1:59:06Like, oh my God, you're the chemicals and your brain. The cortisol. What a drunk will do. What did you fucking neighbor do? What what happened to you? The guy you so crazy? When did you get dad get out of jail? What can you do before you went to jail? Oh my God. So many people do it. If that happened by some unknown fucking thing, like that's what the aliens did. They'll be it. But it would be like two days of crying. Like for two, both the whole planet would just be like, oh, fuck. The thing is man, the really fucked up thing is that's possible. It's, you know, I've had moments where dudes where I hated them and they hated me.

1:59:42And then we got together and we talked and we hugged. And those are beautiful moments. And that's why I refuse to have feuds now. As an older man who understands things. Like I don't care. Like I don't care. You can, you could not like me. That's fine. That's okay. I'm not going to attack you. I don't care. I'm not going to do it publicly. I mean, I had to see an end, but I felt like that was like a bigger thing. That was like, this is, this is a real problem. Like this is not just my ego and which, you know, if they just attacked me and said, I suck. I'm like, okay, sorry, I suck. You're lying about medicine.

2:00:18Like you're lying about medicine for the whole world. Right. So that I've made a big deal out of those fuckers. Yes. But normally I'm like, there's the benefit of conflict in that regard. It's like almost zero benefit. All of my conflict, I try to keep internal. I don't, I don't want to have any conflict with external people. I want to have all my conflict with my own head. I want to have all my conflict with discipline, all my conflict with being nice to people and like trying to be a better person all the time. I try to be wiser about my choices with how I describe things and talk about things and think of things and how I interface with ideas.

2:00:55I just try to be better at it. So I don't have any time. Dude, probably a petty bullshit. There's just too many petty people out there. They're petty. They're petty and they usually petty because they're all fucked up. That's right. It's not going their way like that criticism thing. Dude, it's in also they, I think I've yapped about this. But you know, Loh Jong mind training ever heard of that? I have, but I don't remember what it means. It's just like a, it's like a slogan. It's all these slogans to like sort of get you back on the path. And like one of my favorite Loh Jong slogans is drive all blames into oneself.

2:01:30So it defuses the, so like it completely like removes the ability to be like, it's your fault because it's like actually whatever the fuck they did, it's kind of your fault. A vampire only goes where they're invited. You brought this person into your fucking life and they're behaving the way that your instincts told you they might behave. And now you're mad at them for being the fucking way they are. Drive all blames into oneself. So like anytime I'm getting like mad and butt hurt over this person or that person or this thing or that, if I really analyze the situation, I chose it. I chose to bring that person into my life.

2:02:09I chose to connect to that person in some way or another. This is all me and I'm choosing to fucking react in a negative way. So yeah, man, this is like you, you choose everything. But you don't choose like random acts of violence and random catastrophes and random things that happen to you. But you do in some way, but you don't even choose like getting attached to a sociopath because if you're naive, you can get roped in. So this problems with thinking like this because you do have like really manipulative people, particularly like, you know, con people, con artists get you to sign over your fucking, I'm doing this business.

2:02:49He's just like, all he has $2 ,000. I'll have you a quarter billion dollars a month. Great. Right. I think it's really easy. It's really easy. I love it. This is, I've been doing this for a while. I'm really good at it. But this like this one, we're kind of like overdrawn. And if you just do this for me, I'm going to take care of you in the most extreme way. Do you mean it? Yes. Yes. I am a man of my word. And the next thing you know, you're signing off your back account and you don't, you, this guy, this sweet talk and guy who's been in and out of jail and you thought he was this cool guy you've been at a bar.

2:03:18He's a con artist and he does this to people. Yeah, but this doesn't mean idiot compassion. This is not about letting someone fucking like walk all over. That's not even an idiot thing. Sometimes it's like people get scared at people that are really confident and talk really well. And they're just a little socially awkward. Yeah. And they feel like it would be easier just to sign off and trust him. Then it would be to argue with them because he's so persistent. Right. And you are so averse to conflict that when someone's like like being like really aggressive, we have some someone to be really aggressive to try to get you invest in something.

2:03:52Yes. It's the grossest feeling. It's so fucked up. You're like, I gotta go. I hate it. I hate it. I don't make movies. Yeah, I do. I'm not man going to move. It's so gross. It's so gross and you can. I don't know you. How am I starting a business with someone? I don't know. That sounds crazy. But everything in you, it feels like there's. You're just like, this is bad. But you know, this is the thing. That's probably how girls feel at a bar. Dude, that time's a hundred, right? Like the feeling of a guy wanting to start a business with you. This guy was to start a family with you. He wants to knock you up.

2:04:32He wants you to carry his seed. You ever been hit on by a dude at a bar? Yes. Doesn't feel good. No. I had a dude rub his heart dick into my leg. Nice. Did you think about it at all? Like fucking him? No, about why he would find you attractive. Like this is interesting. Like why me? First of all, I liked that aspect of it. Did you ever think like if you weren't you, you would think you were gay? Like if you saw you, if you'd... I think I'm gay all the time. I think I'm gay all the time. Yeah.

2:05:00I think I'm gay all the time. Like if you just saw you at a bar, if you weren't you, and you saw you, and you heard you talk, you'd be like, oh, that guy's fucking fruity. Dude. He's nasty. They call it zesty. Isn't that the new thing? Zesty? Zesty? Don't they call people zest monsters? I've been watching a lot of TikToks. Not really TikToks, but reals. I don't have the TikTok. I prefer my spy way to be American spyware. Dude, I got real confused watching the new interview with a vampire man. Like, fuck. Is it good? It's good, but listot the fucking French vampire in it, dude. Like I'm like, I think I let him fucking...

2:05:33Yeah? Sucking more than my blood. Really? Dude, you got what? How about Tom Cruise was the original one? So pretty. Got nothing on listot, nothing on the new... Oh, dude, please. I'm sorry. Do you interview with the vampire nerd as well? Yes, I am. Anne Rice, she was one of the ones that I wished I got to interview before she died. I would have loved to talk to her. Man, yeah. She became like a hardcore Christian before she died, right? Yeah, I think that's one of... That's a cool aspect of her. I love that. I love that she wrote all this fucking crazy. Dude, the taming of sleeping beauty. Fuck.

2:06:07Hardcore porn. Like I love that she was like so goth and dark, living in New Orleans, all the, and then just like was like suddenly became a Christian. That's kind of cool. Like I think her story is amazing. And damn, dude, her books, man. Interview with the vampire is one of the best horror books I've ever read. It's amazing. The vampire listot is great. They're all fucking goddamn. I don't think I read out of the ones. I think I read the listot, but I remember reading interview with the vampire going holy shit. I was like, how is Brad Pitt gonna play that guy? And how's Tom Cruise gonna play that guy?

2:06:38Like that seems, I pictured like ugly European people. As vampires? Yeah. No. That's what I picture on a picture of vampires. Dude, vampires are beautiful. Like that's what's scary about, like vampires are what you're talking. Vampire, like the real vampire in the world is an energy vampire. Energy vampires, they are not gonna suck energy. You know what's an energy vampire? Well, you have to pee and you can't talk. I mean, you realize you have to get out of this fucking stupid outfit. Can we please get out of these fucking things, dude? Yeah, we'll come back. We'll come back. We'll come back and keep going.

2:07:10All right, I really have to pee. This is annoying. No, no. The baby. We're back with Franklick clothes on. God, it feels so good. Oh, it does. Oh, fuck, man. Like, what's looking at the coffee? I'm like, oh my god, I can't drink coffee. How much do I want? Can I go for? Is it embarrassing if I talk about this? Yes. Okay. Cut that, Jamie. I'll just ignore it. Yeah, ignore you in New Watch.

2:07:38What's, when's your special release? Oh, dude, I don't, like, I don't know. I've got it. It's edited. I just don't know what to fucking do with it right now. Because like, also, like, I still, like, did you ever watch it? No. See, that's the thing. Do you send me a link? I did, I'll rescind it. Send me on the link. But like, like, it's edited. It looks good. I fucking love it. I think I'm going to call it when I had hair. And like, that's a funny thing. Oh, yeah, but I'm scared. And too, I'm like, I don't know the strategy, dude. Like, when, like, like, because like all these shows coming up. So it's like, should it, like, and I'm doing the Wilbur at the end of this, like, run?

2:08:25Oh, so you need to have new material before you release it? Yeah, because I'm, I mean, I wouldn't even call what I'm doing a tour, but I am doing a lot of dates. So it's like, if, if I release it in the middle of doing all these dates, then instantly, I have to come up with like, I would feel bad doing material on this special, because people are buying tickets. They want to see me work on fucking material. So, but then I'm also like, well, how much of this is an excuse? And like, but I'm thinking like after my show at the Wilbur, then I will put the thing out. Yeah, then just start doing a bunch of sets in the little room.

2:08:59Yes. You know, that's like the best place to develop material. That place is like a little honest factory. You find out where the funny is and things. And you kind of sync up, because there's only 110 people. You sync up together in a fucking cool way. Dude, you know, I like that room so much, because I learned to do stand up in the belly room. That's where I met you and fucking put me. Which is the perfect place to start. The perfect place. Yeah, it's the perfect, it's not too intimidating. It's so small that it's like, even though it's intimidating to get out in front of people, if you can do it in a room that's only has 90 people in it.

2:09:31What is the belly room hold? 90. 90, isn't 90? 90. Was it ever gotten in there though during roast battle? A lot. Dude, one time we were in the bar, we were downstairs, and we were talking, and someone was jumping up and down upstairs. And I'm watching the fucking, the ceiling buckery. And I'm like, yo, you know how all this building is? What's the last time anybody came in here and checked at any of these beams? Dude, that's terrifying. Dude, it was moving. Yeah. It was moving, but they would pack it sometimes. When I first came back to the store in 2014, that was the thing that impressed me the most was roast battle.

2:10:06I was like, this is crazy, because this is a new thing. This is a new thing that's a writing exercise, because they're dunking on each other for sure. But it's a writing exercise, because everyone's preparing. You know, you know, you're going to go against Bobby Lee. Bobby Lee knows he's going to go against you. And then you all get together with your friends, and you have, tell me what you think about this. I'm going to take him, Bobby does it. Dada, dada, dada, dada, dada, dada, dada, dada. Yeah. I think he's going to be mad. Yeah. And you go up and you duke it out in a writing exercise. And it's designed like a specific target, is one target.

2:10:38It's the other person. So your comedy is all about a person. Right. But that's, it's a comedy exercise. It's really a comedy writing exercise. And I remember sitting there watching, oh, this is incredible. I'm like, this is really an amazing thing that they've done. This is, and Jeff Ross was there, and they have hosts and guests. And I was one of the judges. That was like, one of my first days back. I was like, this is crazy. Dude, those rocks are exciting. They're so quick on the, like Tony, he's so quick on the fucking draw, dude. It's, it's the best. No one's better than him. No one's better than him in talking shit in the moment on like a roast situation.

2:11:12Yeah. He says things on kill Tony. You can't believe he didn't write that down. I know. You can't believe that came up in the moment and obscure shit related to whatever this person's weird job is that there's no way he could have predicted and had a fucking banger just in the chamber ready to go. Yeah. He's the fucking best. He's the fucking best at that kind of shit. Right. Well, I mean, think of like, how much training he has. You know, I contacted Tom Brady to get him on the roast. You did? Oh, yeah. Well, they were fucking up by now. I went to his DMs. Good job. I was like, you gotta get this guy.

2:11:46Cause I heard they were roasting him. I don't even know if they were considering him. But I, I, you know, you have to. Which is nuts that wouldn't consider him. It's like, there's so many people. There's so many people that are really good. I get it. A lot of celebrities. I get it. Yeah. Tony's the fucking demon. Do you want to consume the souls of everyone in this village? I just want to fuck around and drop a few bombs. Let the demon go. Yeah. But dude, when Tony's roasting you like in the green room, it is the best. Like, you know what? I don't think people understand. It's so fun. It is so funny when he's doing it.

2:12:21And it's like, like, it's like though they are like, where are we? I love it. I love it. The play on words. He's so funny. And it's such a fun sting. You know, like it stings for a second, but it's so funny. You can't be mad. Well, I was saying that like him and David Lucas together are the funniest thing that I ever watch. When those two go after each other, they're the best. The best. It's a funny, it's the funniest combination. I've been trying to tell them to do a fucking show together forever. I'm like, you guys should do a show where just you and David Lucas just talk shit on each other and on anything that's going on the news.

2:12:56I go, dude, I think it'd be a huge hit. It would be funny. Just you don't have to commit to a lot of time. Just do an hour. Do it one hour once a week. I guarantee you, people would fucking love it. And it's just like those guys can't stop when they're in the green room. We're getting free shows all the time. If David Lucas and Tony Hitchcliff are in the green room, the moment David walks in, Tony's scanning them, looking for flaws in what he's wearing, what he just said. He's trying to find references in the news. Dude, what percentage of Tony's brain is just scanning? Like what percentage is just like, analyzing all people in the room?

2:13:38It's like, it's most of his thoughts. Most of his thoughts are like scanning his environment for danger. You know what? Like, hey, I'm the attacking. Hey, I roast now. Like you can take a picture and send it to chat GPT and say, well, you're a racist person and they, it will insult them. Oh, isn't five. Wasn't there some sort of a release about GPT -5? Yeah, I saw some image like depicting, like, yeah, it's going to be nuts when it finally hits. Yeah, there's something. God damn it. Let me see if I, I know I saved it. Just give me one second. There's something that I'd seen about GPT -5 that I was like, yo.

2:14:12I'm scared. I'm like legitimately scared, like, maybe for the first time ever. Hmm. I'm excited about it, dude. I'm not scared anymore. I fucking love it, man. My wonderful Alex, that's what it named itself. I love it. Talk to it all the time. Yeah. Open AI has recently begun training its next frontier model. And we anticipate the resulting systems to bring us to the next level of capabilities on our path to AGI. God damn. Jesus. I love it. This is from Open AI's board. I've stopped. This has recently begun training its next frontier model. Love it. This is like, this is, this is the Swartz Omega Terminator.

2:14:57This is the new one. It's begun training the new one. I mean, it's new model. You know, why are we doing? What are we giving birth? Is this, are we in the middle of the fucking operating room right now? We're the midwives. I think we are. Yeah. I think like we're in there like, you know, there's just weird moment. When you're there, when your kid's born, it's this insane moment where someone doesn't exist and then they exist. Like, you knew they were coming, you knew they're in there, then they're there. That's the best. And you're like, this is insane. Yeah. Life changes now. Is that what's happening with all of us?

2:15:31Yeah. With AI? Is that what's going to happen to civilization? Are we giving birth to this fucking thing? Like, do you, this phrase, just the way they phrase it, has begun training its next frontier model. Yeah. Do you remember that last scene in Rosemary's Baby? I don't. Dude, it's so fucked up. Spoiler, if you haven't seen Rosemary's Baby, just jump ahead a second. But like, the end of it, they finally letter into the room where the baby, the anti -Christ is, the demon baby, right? Yeah. And like, she's been resisting, resisting, resisting. But then she hears the cry of the baby and she goes, it's hungry.

2:16:11And then she goes, depressed, feed it. Oh my God. Dude, yeah, like, so like, great. Do you know that the guy who ran the cult, that the building that I was under contract for, that I almost bought, turned it into the mothership? The guy who ran that cult was in Rosemary's Baby. A lot of people like that were. He was in the background. But you know what? Because a lot of actors are crazy and a lot of background actors are really crazy. Pretty sure Anton Lave was in it too. Really? Yeah. Oh, because it was a Satan movie. I could be wrong. Were you looked at up, Jamie, so I don't seem like a dick, but I'm making sense.

2:16:43That makes sense. Back then, like, being a Satanist was like, we more, like, talked about. You know about that guy in Florida. There was like an open Satanist that worked for NASA? Oh, yeah, that guy. Yeah. Dude, holy shit. That guy's scary as fuck. I know you're scared. He's scary as fuck. Yeah, that guy's scary. And one of the guys that we had on our show, who was it that went down there that went to the old, where the rocket factor used to be now? And then there's like fucking blood scenes. One of the hunters. Rumors appear that the founder of Satan's Church, Anton Lave, was a consultant on the set and played the Antichrist.

2:17:23Whoa. Yeah. But that dude, the NASA dude, who was the guest man? They came on, it was telling us that they went down to that area. What? They went down to where the rocket factor used to be. And it's like a Satanic ritual place now, where freaks go. And they have like blood splattered all over it. Or it looks like red paint or something splattered all over the walls. And we're writing and shit. And it's like, he's super creeped out. And then people were coming in there to do like, what's going on cowboy? It was a python cowboy. That's right. Shout out to python cowboy. I think it's important to diff, like here's a, this is, I'm going to get attacked for everything I said in the show, but like here's the thing.

2:18:01Wait a minute. I'm friends with some Satanist. And there's so nice. And there's so like they wouldn't, they don't hurt fucking kids. They're like really look down on that shit. Like there's no like, so I think there's like, there's one like Levan Satanism. I don't know the whole story. And I'm prior on, but like the problem is like, you know, you can only go off of what you've experienced. And I met, you came to the fucking wedding I did. And like, you tricked me into that. Now everybody thinks I'm a Satanist. It's what it is. Son of a bitch. Son of a bitch. Son of a bitch. That picture comes up all the time.

2:18:38With the picture box. Son of a bitch. Dude, it is. I thought I was taking a photo for some dork who thinks he's a Satanist. It was the grandson of back guy. And he's getting married. I'm like, yeah, dude, I'll take a picture with you. Whatever I do. Dude, it's so funny. I think we did the horns. You're so far from a Satanist. I'm not a fucking Satanist. Right. But now everybody thinks I am because you, you son of a bitch. So let's tell the story to everybody because Duncan has the greatest comedy routine that I've ever seen. Thanks, man. I don't want to say too much about it. But this particular comedy routine involves demonic possession.

2:19:13And these folks thought it was a riot. And they wanted it at their fucking wedding. Do you know crazy you have to be to want that at your wedding? Can I tell you how it happened? Do they see you somewhere? No. So I'm at a cafe talking to a distant friend who's a philosopher who's friends with him. And he's like, hey, Duncan, you know who's Stantle of A .S.? I'm like, no, he's like the grandson of the founder of the Church of Satan. And I told him you've got this satanic part of your act. And he wants to see it because his wedding is coming. And so I'm like, when? Like where? So I go to his house.

2:19:52And in my mind, I'm expecting black candles, pentagrams, horror. So I go there. He's there with his fiancee, Zandora, wonderful person. And they are so fucking nice. She's Southern. She's made me this delicious Southern meal. And they have real absent. Like not the bullshit you get at the bar. They've got like Romanian fucking absence with warm wood, fucking in it. So that's the only thing that's a little different from a normal Southern meal. Is there like, do you want some absence? I'm like, of course, yes. And so I'm drinking absent, eating like fried chicken. And he's showing me like family photos of Anton Lefe with like lions and stuff.

2:20:45And like, do you watch horror movies at all? Yeah. Do you know that this is the plot of a horror movie? This is 100 % the plot of a horror movie. They were so nice. They had me over their house that gave me fried chicken and absent. They were so sweet. And the moment you leave, they're eating babies in the basement. Dude, and it's to throw you off the trail that they're so nice. They're really well rehearsed. Listen, man, all I can do is go from subjective experience. Like, you consider what was in the basement. Of course. Did you think maybe these people are involved in rituals? Of course I did.

2:21:20And they do do rituals. But they, I mean, just like, just like the truth. They do rituals. Like, they're kind of rituals. So to Christian. But is it like Christians? Like, you can have regular Christians. Like, you go to really nice church or you can go to a revival tent where a dude's got a rattlesnakes. Right. And he's fucking, he's talking in tongues. I'm going to go, I'm going to go, I'm going to go, I'm going to go, I'm going to get fucking servants. Ah, those guys die all the time. Those guys die. They get bit by snakes and they fucking die in front of their followers. Can I just say this?

2:21:47Yeah. I love, and I mean this in a non -circastic way, Jesus. I think about Jesus all the time I use, in the more, the older I get, the more I love Jesus. And, and who did Jesus, like Jesus hung out with people that were rejected by society. Jesus hung out with tax collectors, drunks, gamblers. Yeah. And so I remember being at the comedy store and anytime I was hanging out with them at the comedy store, anytime there was someone left out, Zandora or Stanton would go over there and it wasn't a recruitment thing. They would just like include them in the circle because why? Stanton is the outcast, right?

2:22:36So it's like anytime they would say. So that is that part of their thing? I don't know. All I'm saying is when you judge a tree bites fruit and, and here's the thing, man. Like, and I think not those guys, I never thought you'd be on here, Stanton for Stanton, bro. I'm not Stanton for Stanton. I'm just saying Stantonism is Christianity. Oh, I see what you're saying. You know what I mean? It's like a sect of Christianity. It's like, yeah, because like that, that form emerges from Christianity. But what's that, what about the evil stuff? Like what is, what are the tenets of Satanism? Like what's the most evil stuff?

2:23:07The evil stuff and shanism? Yeah. So the, the, well, Christianity has evil stuff in it, right? Okay. So there's, we both agree to that, right? There's different forms of Satanism. There's Levein Satanism. There's the temple of Satan. Uh, they have good, oh, so it's like chapter, it's Protestants. Yeah. Yeah. And so there's Romantic Satanism, right? So like, so like in Romantic Satan, not like Romantic in the sense of like, um, who was it? Milton, like the idea is like, you have this, this being that is like, I don't really want to be forced to worship you. And I don't understand necessarily why you should have all the power and why, what the fuck, like what the fuck?

2:23:49And then it gets thrown into hell. And then, and, and, and suddenly this bifurcation emerges between good and evil, sacred and profane. And so if that version of Satanism is looking at that, not as like what is the general interpretation, which is the problem with Satan was, Satan was like incredibly self -charishing, self -absorbed, like really into himself. Whereas God is like, God's like the sun, just like radiating life and love and like with no sense of like, give anything back to me, just like, wow, love. Whereas Satan is, is, is more about like me. So in Satan is like the worst human instincts or, or Satan is more about, maybe you could say, the idea is like, I am, I am God, right?

2:24:35So like, like me, I'm God, like so it's like my impulse is an instincts and desires aren't bad. Why are you telling me it's bad to jerk off? Why are you telling me that it's bad to come? Why are you telling me these things are bad when like all of them make me feel happy and good? And why are you turning me into a fucking monster for this shit? And who the fuck do you think you are? I'm, I'm trying, in the best way possible to depict a more sort of anti -authoritarian mysticism, right? So, so the symbol set that you use is Satan, which any most Satanist I've talked to are like, there's no fucking Satan, which I know everyone's like, of course they say that.

2:25:13Of course, that's the harm move you don't do. Right. But I would just invite you to if you are like freaked out by Satanist going out with one and you are going to have great, go crazy. You fucking problems with the first picture I took with that Satanist, but I do have to say that at your wedding party that you performed at that day, they were all nice. Everybody was real nice. Right. They were all friendly. We had a good time. We were barbecued. We were barbecued. We were barbecued. We were, everything was very weird. Just already, life was we're breathing air was weird. The sensation of your socks touching your toes as your socks are compressed by the heel of your shoe, all that was weird.

2:25:56It was a crazy fucking way. Barbecued. And then there's his Satanist that I get in there. You're like, what are we doing here? This is so crazy. And to watch you perform in front of them, I was like, this is crazy. And by the way, it was like real Satanist. Like that's the other thing. This is like that because it is a religion and it really was real, it was like real Satanist. And many of them were. And you know, ever since I hung out with them, even though I don't hang out with them anymore, or I saw Zandora and San Francisco, it was nice. But like, it's just anytime when people are railing against the Satanist, I feel like it may be just semantics.

2:26:34I feel like they're confused regarding like, at least like what that thing is versus demon not people into hurting people or subjugating people or like hurting people. I never encountered that. Evil murder death. Do you think Satan is a real thing? Do you think there is a Satan? Is it a real being? Is it an entity? Or does it represent like the worst aspects of human nature? Does it represent the most violent and vile, just instincts that we've adopted or we've adopted, just had to fight tooth and claw for survival. And then we've developed this ability to be ruthless and cruel because that's the only thing that keeps you alive.

2:27:23And much, that's one of the theories, isn't it about why women are attracted to serial killers? It's like knowing someone can kill. Knowing someone that there's an attraction to that because that person could protect you and keep you alive in the most dangerous of times. Because some people just can't. They can't do it. They don't know what to do. The panic, something happens. Ah, they don't fall apart. I'm so glad you're mentioning this because my wife has started reading and she told me I can talk about this on my podcast. I'm assuming it's okay on yours. She started, like remember Harlequin romance.

2:27:56Oh, yeah. Okay. So there is a new evolution of that shit, which is the most fucking hardcore BDSM porn. There's something called book talk where all the ladies are talking about this shit. But she started reading these books. Now one of the books, she like, dude, shades of gray. Don't you remember those days? Dude, this makes 50 shades of gray look like Dr. Seuss. Dude, can I give you like one of the books? And by the way, now she's like, got a stack of these fucking things. One of these books. So in this book, a lady is a thief and she steals the identity of a shark expert. She fucks him, steals his identity.

2:28:40So the scene I read, she's on the boat with a shark researcher and he's fucking her and he's like, just fucking the shit out of her and she loves it. And then, you know what he does? He like, he's like, I know you fucking stole my identity. He kisses her, bites her lip. Bites her fucking lip, draws blood. Takes her to the side of the boat with her bleeding mouth. Shove her head into the water while he's fucking her. So the blood starts drawing sharks to like bite her while he's fucking her. And like, like it's crazy, dude. It's like, it's the craziest porn I've ever read, man. And like, this is like a whole genre now.

2:29:25We've been really into this. What? Yes. How popular is this? Very popular. They're all like, they're all like. Let's pull up some of these titles. I'm looking at it. I'm in stumbled across it. Let me text there and I'll get the name of a fucking shark book. Hold on. Hold on. This is Christ, dude. What is the genre of porn called again? I don't, it's called, well, she says it's something about book. What, let me just ask her, what's the name of the shark book? Did you one handed text? Are you one? Oh God. She makes so much. Yes, yes, I can't do both the hands, man. You can't text without your thumbs.

2:30:08You only have to text with your index finger. I have to relearn it. Really? I'm all, I'm all, I'm all. Right, but when did you start texting just with one finger? God damn it, man. I've been doing it forever and Aaron totally makes fun of me for it because it takes me forever and I just tap it out. Why do you do that? That seems weird. Do you remember the time I was on your podcast years ago? And didn't know I could put my phone on silent. And I'm pitching, is it right? I got bummed out when Apple took away that switch. You see that? So you knew it was off, you knew it was on vibrate. I know, dude.

2:30:43Yeah. I don't know. Now it's a place with a button, but the button gets pressed accidentally sometimes. Got it. A lot of the times. Does it hurt? Does it hurt? Jesus. That's the name of the book. Does it hurt? How many copies? Let's find out. How many copies of Does It hurt? Have been sold. Did they give out that information? They have to. I don't know. New York Times bestseller list. I don't know. I mean, this is in the genre of the, I think we've talked about it, like the Bigfoot porn. Like there's a whole series of Bigfoot. Like we're Bigfoot. It's just like stealing like women who've been camping.

2:31:16Oh, yeah. Bigfoot porn has come to Bigfoot. Yeah, there's come four Bigfoot. Yeah. There's a whole group of those books. And I guess someone went get off on the fact of being just savaged by Bigfoot. Yeah, you are Bigfoot eating their fucking pussy. Yeah. And like, do you imagine the tongue on that guy? They love it. Wonderful. Do like your whole head. And they fall in love with him. I don't blame him. It's a bear. It was a fucking super dimensional creature. You think he's, you believe in that? The dimensional Bigfoot? I think there are states of consciousness that you can reach whether it's under duress, fear, anxiety, combination of those things.

2:32:05There's psychiatric drugs, psychedelic drugs. But I think there's a, there's a place that you could reach where you could see into other possibilities. I think you can see things that aren't necessarily there in a physical sense, but you're there with them. They're there with you. They don't exist, but you can see them. And it's not a hallucination. It's like you're tapping into like the grain -ness in between universes and between dimensions. You're tapping into this area of weirdness. Yeah. And this area of weirdness, I think, is ghosts. I think this area of weirdness is goblins and things that people see sometimes.

2:32:41I don't think they're real. I don't think anybody's going to get eaten by a goblin. But I do think that there's too many fucking stories of elves for me not to think that someone reached some state of mind where they saw like a little person in the woods talking to them. Right. And that little person might be real. It just might not be a physical thing that you could put on a scale. They call it the astral realm. You know, there might be something there. Yeah, I do just too many, too many stories that, the problem of stories being similar as people hear the stories and their imagination takes over and they depict their things similar to the story that they've heard.

2:33:19That's a problem, but like a copycat bullshed out of it. Copycat bullshed out of this problem. But there's also too many stories of elves, man. Yeah. There's too many of those stories and there's too many depictions of elves that are dancing around mushrooms. Like, fucking duh. Like duh. Like maybe they're real. Like maybe you're being ignorant and so silly. And so cocky, especially people that have no psychedelic experience. Right. Those babies. Yeah. Those fucking babies. When they talk to you about the damage it does and the dangers of the skin while they're fat and out of shape, shut the fuck up.

2:33:57Shut the fuck up. You literally don't know what you're talking about. You have no idea what's possible. Right. You're living in this fucking black and white TV world. And you've been brainwashed. I mean, don't forget that. Like they went through the war on drugs. They got indoctrinated into this insane anti -fascist. They have to do it if there are experts in the field, whatever field is represented, you know, like whatever sciences that have to do with oral chemistry. I got you. You mean the fashionable attitude people who are like trying to protect their careers. They have to. Even though inside they know.

2:34:29So all of the professors who we go to as experts are all compromised, at least in some way. A lot of them. I shouldn't say all of them. But a lot of them. Just like virtue if you stick your neck out and say I like to use psilocybin. Like people are like, what? Well, I mean, you're crazy drug addict. But dude, like, you know, like Dublin, he's having meetings in the fucking Pentagon. Right. I think the consciousness has changed. The zeitgeist has changed. And it has because of the internet, because you know, you can hear Terence from Ken of lectures. You can hear Alan Watts. You can hear people talking about it.

2:34:59You could watch documentaries on psychedelics. You could see what maps has done. You could see all the podcasts at Dublin's Con on. Right. How many people are we talking about that have been exposed to these ideas that were never exposed to them when we were kids? Yeah. When we were kids, when you and I were kids, when we were in high school, you didn't hear a fucking shit. There's this one dude who was a drug addict and he hung out over there and he's a loser. And you didn't hear a peep about shamanic rituals and Gordon Watson going down to Mexico and getting all the mushrooms and, you know, and doing these ceremonies with these traditional shaman down.

2:35:32You didn't hear any of that. You didn't hear any of that. That's nothing. Nobody knew what the fuck was going on with your kids. They silenced it. They threw water on the biggest, one of the biggest cultural revolutions that's documentable without the use of the internet. Right. And that was the psychedelic revolution of the 1960s. It changed music. It changed movies. It changed comedy. It changed everything. Yeah. Fucking everything. Every single thing got changed. And in a radical leap. If you look at the 1950s, you look at the 1960s, it's like, whoa, something happened. Look at the cars got cooler.

2:36:09The music sounded better. Like that's a big cultural shift. And you know, we have to thank for that. The CIA. The CIA. The CIA. It's very many of us had to know. The CIA is the reason that all these LSD studies happen. And like, who wrote one flow over the Kukus nest? Kenkeese. Yeah. Kenkeese, apparently, was in one of these LSD experiments. So like, oh, and he's just one of many great artists who accidentally got, like, liberated mentally by the fucking CIA. And you know what I mean? There was just like, we want to use this to interrogate people. Yeah. And all of a sudden, you've got Jimmy Hendrix.

2:36:52And they're like, no, I didn't expect that. Yeah.

2:36:59Oh my God. And then there's also all these theories about the CIA creating like the whole Laurel Canyon scene, the Rock and Roll scene. And it's very compelling. It's very interesting. It seems like they were involved. I think they've always been involved in the music business, just like they've always been involved in the movie business. Like it makes sense. The idea that the music business somehow escaped their grasp. Like, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. That's crazy. Because like who you promote, that's the person that becomes famous. And we've all seen that with like, there's been, you know, a mille vinellion shit like that.

2:37:33Yeah. Like it didn't make any sense. Like why are they promoting this? Because like, they had a product. They're trying to push this product. Yeah. And there's a lot of money behind that. And also a lot of influence, cultural influence. And when they went through all that Vietnam shit with the fucking the Beatles. And you remember that? Yeah. They were like, hey, hey, hey, enough of this Len and Nonsense. Yeah. Shut the fuck up. All we are saying is give peace of chance. Shut the fuck up. You're making it hard for us to sell heroin. Yeah. We're over there scooping up heroin. Yeah. And the South Pacific and you're fucking ruining everything.

2:38:03Imagine all the people. No. No. Yeah. That's it. Like, yeah, I don't know, man. Like all I know is like, it's like, it's a very confusing thing. If you want to be honest, if you love psychedelics, you owe a thank you to the fucking CIA. You know what I mean? Like, because I mean, I don't know, I don't know for sure. Like, I don't know for sure if the 60s as we understand them would have happened. I don't think the CIA was like, hey, let's create a lot of flower children and make people like revalue life and realize that money maybe isn't actually like something you should die for. And like, go against war.

2:38:48But I think like, boom, wow, that's what happened. I mean, and we got the unibomber too. We got a lot of people. Yeah. There's a lot of people that came out of that. Here's a question. What? I want you to imagine a world where the sweeping psychedelics act of 1970 never gets installed. It never happens. Yeah. Somehow or another, either they just don't think it's a priority or it's a different administration. They're not interested in locking down drugs. Yeah. Because one of the motivations for that in the 1970s was that they were going to target civil rights activists and anti -war activists. That's one of the methods to do it is to turn all these drugs into that everybody was using into Schedule One Drugs.

2:39:37Yes. All these drugs that made people question society, all these drugs, made people want to tune in, turn on, drop out. All those drugs, we got to put a fucking kabosh on all these culture shifting drugs. And the wild thing is they fucking did it. That's the wild thing. And that the brainwashing still works today. The brainwashing that they did on these compounds that might be the root of all religious experiences. All these things that you're hearing about in the Bhagavad Gita, all these things you're hearing about in the Bible, these wild -ass crazy stories like what really happened? Those people might have had a psychedelic experience.

2:40:19And in fact, the thing about that, the University of Jerusalem that attributes the story of Moses and the burning bush to dimethyl trip to me. Yeah. Because they think it might be an occasion bush. Right. And they think they think we're one of these bushes that's really rich in DMT. It makes sense. It's burning bush. Like you smoke it, duh. Yeah. And it's right there in front of your face. Right. And if you take that, and especially if you take that 5 ,000 years ago, oh my God, you're going to be convinced you're talking to God. Yeah. God talked to me. Yeah. It really did happen brothers and sisters.

2:40:53And you tell this story. This is what God told us. This is what we need to do. We need to love each other. We need to follow laws. He gave us a laws, a series of laws. Remember who has Mel Brooks? I have brought you these 15. And he drops one of them. Shit. Ten. Ten companions. You remember that? Fucking hilarious. Classic. Yeah. I mean, look, for sure, dude, I mean, like the, and these, like the consumption of these things has up until recently. I mean, they tend to be under ground. Like if you look at, like what's it called? Kikian. If you look at the, like it has been weirdly an underground thing.

2:41:42And I think that's what we, that, if there is some cool thing that came from us coming up on the war on drugs. Yeah. It's like when I was taking LSD in high school, and getting like an immediate reality check, which is like, you're hearing about this as being like, since you are a kid, you're going to go nuts. You're going to like become legally insane. Where the fuck that means? And then you take it. And you're processing weird shit that happened in your childhood. You're loving yourself. You're looking at the world and seeing it like it's the most beautiful thing you've ever seen. You're hearing music that you heard a million times for the first time.

2:42:23And you realize, oh, they're lying. This is wonderful. This isn't madness. And if it is madness, then this is the kind of crazy, all of us need to go. Like, and so what? But you couldn't tell your parents. You wanted to. You want to be like, mom, I think this might help you. But you couldn't because you go to, you'd be fucked. Right. Right. So five year mandatory minimum, five year fucking mandatory minimum. They're locking people up. Still people in jail right now for this fucking beautiful gift to humanity. And so we got to experience it from the underground perspective, which was mostly horrific.

2:43:07It produces paranoia. You're scared. You felt like a criminal for nothing. So, yeah, man, like the, but, but if you look at the history, any substance like psilocybin LSD that breaks down the identity that allows freedom from the sense of, this is me and that's you. And produces at least the potential for merging with reality and with other people. It's not going to work for that fucking hierarchical system. For the hierarchical system, the function you need, you're below me, you're above me. And the moment you're like, we're all the same. Then suddenly the cast system stopped working. Classism stops working.

2:43:50The whole fucking thing falls apart, which is why I think that book you gave me, the Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, or you can give me when I was living with you. You, actually, I was a dick. I left down the fucking floor. Like one of the, like, reading materials you gave me during that wonderful time was this insane book about Jesus and Christianity, has its roots and psilocybin. Yeah. But like, if you, just for the sake of this rant, if you look at Jesus as psychedelics, it makes a lot of sense because what Jesus is saying is, you don't need a priest class to communicate with the divine. You can do it right now, anytime you want, any day you want, it's always here for you.

2:44:32That's exactly what the mushrooms tell you. And what happens to Jesus? They fucking kill him. And so it's like the relationship between centralized power and psychedelics has always been a contentious one. Right. Because the psychedelics just tell you, yeah, you're okay. That's one of the things they'll tell you. Maybe you need to fucking walk your dogs more or whatever, but ultimately you get this realization, I'm okay. It's also the power structures that exist without psychedelics aren't possible if everyone's on psychedelics. And then you have ancient Greece, right? So like, how did ancient Greece emerge?

2:45:06It emerged because of the kooky on. It emerged because of the people that's doing these hallucinian mysteries. They were learning things about themselves and the world. And they decided to say, good, it's great democracy. I mean, that's really what it comes from. So that's what's scary. That's what's scary to people that are in power. And also the ignorance. We know that they haven't done it. Because if they've done it, they wouldn't be advocating against it. It doesn't make any sense. Unless they've only done it once and then they reverted. Or maybe a couple times. People do revert. One of the things that makes people revert is they get older and they get bitter.

2:45:43And they haven't done psychedelics in a long, long time. And then they become like a shitty Republican when they get older. Well, you know, man, this is the, this is what I, there's this Buddhist teacher. I love Sharon Salzburg. And one of her things I love is the healing is in the return. Meaning, yeah, the way the waveform works is especially psychedelics. You get the glimpse of the divine. You forgive yourself. Thus forgiving everyone around you. You experience true compassion. And then you come down. And then you crust up. You know what I mean? You crust the fuck up. And now you get crusty.

2:46:22And now you're like starting to get irritable again and angry again. And then fucked up and like, yeah. And if you don't mitigate that in some way, by like, what is it? What is it, Bill Hicks says? Squeegeeing your fucking third. If you don't like doing a nice squeegee here and there. Then yeah, you do end up crusted over. You do end up like looking back at those ideas you had and saying to yourself, that was highly unrealistic. What the fuck was I thinking? But you know, there's always, that's the thing. It's always, I don't, this is my problem with psychedelics. My problem with psychedelics is psychedelics can, they don't, obviously, it's a chemical.

2:47:03But what can happen is psychedelics, you become the pre -class. So you take the psychedelic and you think, I'm experiencing this because of the thing. When the reality is the thing is showing you what's in you. It's always there, right? And so the healing is in the return. It's the moment you realize, oh fuck, it's still here. It never went anywhere. And so those crusty ass fucking Republicans, whoever they may be, like just under the fucking surface, is that unitive consciousness if you ask me. Yeah, they're just cowards. If you're that way, if you're authoritarian, whether you're authoritarian left or authoritarian, right, generally speaking, unless you're talking about crime and like, and even then, you're scared, right?

2:47:51Because really you should be addressing the root of the problem. Yeah. Which is like why, why do so many people from so many very distinct areas keep going into crime and why is there nothing being done to stop that? But those, those people that are authoritarian, like in terms of like religious beliefs in terms of behavior, the way people dress, gaze and public, that kind of stuff, those people are all scared. That comes from a place of being scared. The gay people in public is not a problem. Assholes in public is a problem. And if the gay people are nice, you have a great time. If the gay people are assholes, just like if the straight people are assholes, you have a shitty time.

2:48:30It's not a gay straight thing. It's a human being being kind and normal and friendly to people. Yeah. And that's possible with everybody, but people think that, oh, those are the ones that are going to be mean to me and fuck them. They're responsible. No, those are individual human beings and you're grouping them together because you're scared. You can call it pattern recognition, you can call it whatever you want. You can call it racism. We've got whatever you want. But all you're doing, you're lumping people in together because you're scared. That's it. And you should be aware of danger. But to be so scared that you want to control other people's behavior is like a bad sign.

2:49:08That's a bad sign. If you want to tell people what language they can use, that's a bad sign. That sounds religious too. If you want to tell people how they have to dress or what kind of music they listen to. This has all been bad, always, from the beginning of time. Whether it's coming from the left or the right. Whether it's fucking the algoor shit that was in the typical shit in the 1980s. That was coming from the left. So left -wing politicians are trying to censor rap music. That's the reason why you have those dummies. They created that warning explicit lyrics. That's all anybody wanted to buy.

2:49:40Oh my god. We did not the warning explicit lyrics. Kids didn't even want to buy those CDs. That's a fuck out of your G rated rap. And tonight's fucking high. Remember it's clay at that on his fucking house. Oh, score. Dude, what score? Boosted out and tells me I'll tell you this. But that was, but the point is it's the same thing, right? So the same on the left as it does on the right. It's just authoritarians. They're all scared. God, this is so to answer your question, do I believe in Satan? I believe in fear. And fear and the devil are the fucking same thing. And it's like, this is, if you want to talk about what Satan is, it's the cloud of fear that lives inside the individual and then collectivizes in a fearful reaction.

2:50:23And how to frighten people react to things. Anger. Violence. Judgment. And so like, so what's the opposite of fear, man? Love. Love is the opposite of fear. And so this is to me, like this is the issue. It's not left right. It's that if you are making decisions based on fear, more than likely, the result is going to create something that makes you more afraid. And if you know, that's just how it works. It just fear leads to fucking fear. It's in the ingredients. It's in the fucking ingredients, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you just turn on the fucking light. I mean, Buddhism, this is what they talk about enlightenment.

2:51:08They talk about like, if you're, if you, if we're in a pitch black room, it could be scary. I don't know what's around me. There's weird sounds. What, what the fuck? You ever broken up in the middle of the night, kind of bleary and something that's been in your room forever. You can't see it clearly because you're waking up and you're like, it's a person. Oh, it's my chair, right? Yes. So, so the example, this, and this is why Satan in mythology is the deceiver because it's not there. It's literally not fucking there. The moment you turn on the light, everything's fine. Except in this case, the light is love.

2:51:47The moment that you have the fucking guts to love the person that you're like to really like cultivate love. Fuck, dude. No one's scary anymore. You're, you, my kids, you know, you're anyone who has kids knows what I'm fucking talking about. They can do things that are insane. Like, to your house, to the walls, to the say things to you that if any adults that it's you, you might never forgive them. You're going to think about it for a long fucking time. Like your beard stinks or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, you meet somebody like, dude, you're fucking beard stinks. Honestly, I probably like you.

2:52:27But you know what I mean? Because we love our kids instantly forgiven. You don't hold grudges against it. Well, it's not just that. They're also, they don't know any better. They haven't learned social skills. And this is why one of my favorite things, Jesus said when he's being crucified, father, forgive them. They don't know what they're doing. And that's what he fucking meant. And how much of that do you think is historically accurate? Like how much of the Jesus story do you think is historically accurate when you hear about it? No idea. Don't care. Yeah. I don't care. I just love this story.

2:52:58I don't care. I love the story and I love, I love a story about what happened because you always have to filter through the very real understanding that we all have about the way human beings tell stories. It's hard to know what's bullshit because people just lie about stuff. And that's not a new thing. So, but people also tell the truth about stuff. That's not a new thing either. People also write down very important things. And there are people that are virtuous. There are people that are honest. And there are people that are authentic. They've always existed. Right. And there's people that are smart enough to understand the value of just being truthful.

2:53:38Right. So those people that encountered something exceptional and crazy, something insane, whether it is the resurrection or whatever it was. I would love to know what the fuck they really said. What were the actual words? Why did you write it down? What really happened? How many people were told this story back and forth over hundreds of years before you wrote it down? What was the original story like? It's so hard. It's like trying to get a story about the things that George Washington said that weren't written down. Yeah. That weren't written down. You know, like 300 years ago. What? How? Well, you, like, so in the same way, fear produces other forms of writing.

2:54:26Like mind comp. You know what I mean? It's the right, right. So like, it's simatics. You know, you take a vibration. You throw some fucking flower on a vibrating plate. According to the, like, whatever the frequency is, if forms a certain, it creates a pattern, right? So like fear, fear always creates a pretty similar pattern, right? Right. And love also creates a very similar pattern. So, like, this is the book of John. My favorite book in the Gospels. It starts off within the beginning was the word, but, and the word became a person. And so, but that's not really what it's saying. It's like, it's a logo.

2:55:02So in the beginning was some fundamental reality. Just truth, just basic, beautiful fucking, perfect truth. And that's what the universe is spraying from. And then that truth became a person. So the truth could now talk. Like, it now began to convey itself to other people. And so that truth, that truth, I think, if you understood it enough, you could probably create a set of symbols that would function on many levels that were all good. One level, just basic ethics, do on others, what you would have them do under you, bless or the peacemakers, all of this stuff, right? But then, knowing human psyche and the human mind, you could also hide deeper levels of that truth into parables, into, like, stories that are mathematically perfect to the point where the crucifixion if you look at it from the perspective of two intersecting timelines, which is the infinite and the finite meeting, which is what humans are, then you realize we're all being crucified on time.

2:56:06And so, and then the crucifixion becomes like an existential reality. This is what you want to know, you're feeling fucked up. It's because part of you is forever and part of you is going to die. And you are fucking hanging on a cross between two thieves, the past and the fucking future. And anytime you're thinking about that, it's stealing the moment. And so, like, there's that level, right? And so, any of these great texts, like the New Testament, they're coded, so that depending on where you want to go with it, you can go as deep as you want. It's an infinite rabbit hole. And I think that rabbit hole emerged from vibration.

2:56:46I sound like what's his face, the guy I loved him on the Terrence. Terrence Howard? Like idiot Terrence Howard. But like, I sound like dumb Terrence. I know he was talking about vibrations and stuff. He's great. But like, my point is, if there is some fundamental vibration to love, then that might grow into time in a story. And the story, because it's coming from perfect truths, would have infinite levels to it, that it was alive. The story itself would be alive, which is why they call the Bible like the living word. It's alive. It's talking to you. It's not a one -way communication. It's like, that's what's scary about it, dude.

2:57:31Read the fucking Bible on mushrooms. Dude, you know what I mean? That's probably how I was written. I wish I could read the ancient versions and the language and understand the language in the context. Me too. Because it's not just about learning the language. It would be about understanding the context of the language. Imagine if you could really understand ancient Hebrew or letters, double as numbers. Dude. That must be so weird. Yeah, man. That's real. That's the other thing about it is, like, the historic Jesus and all that. God, that shit. Like, okay, I don't know, but look at the thing itself.

2:58:09Look at what it said. Look what whatever this idea spawned. Look what it means. Look at all the powerful principles that emerge from it. And then don't look at the moral scaffolding that it provides for people. Yeah. And then, I think the reason people get creeped out by it is because where there's one thing, it's opposite must appear. So here's this thing. Invite it that is dissolving power structures and dissolving the pre -class and dissolving all of it. And then you look at the modern day versions of it and you see the same fucking hierarchy. You see this thing that it seems to be antithetical to, which is like saying, like, this is between you and me.

2:59:01Suddenly, there's people telling you you're wrong interpreting it for you. And you look at that and you're like, fuck that shit. Whatever that is, I'm not in it. And it's charismatic people in front of large groups of people that really know how to manipulate people with the way they talk. I mean, this is the thing that was so problematic when they first started translating the Bible into phonetic languages, into languages like German. When people started like during the Martin Luther days, they're like, what the fuck are you doing? It used to be the priest had to read the Bible because they could read it in Latin.

2:59:33You don't know Latin, so shut the fuck up. This is what God wants you to do. And then Martin Luther was coming along and said, you should interpret this your own way. And it's just like, what? So they take it away the gatekeepers to God. That's it. But when you have, it's so crazy that it's such an efficient business that they still run these fucking franchises, even though the book is available everywhere. It's so crazy that like this one person interprets this better than everybody else. So you go and see him and he talks and they develop egos and they have jets and they have fucking mansions and rolls, rolls.

3:00:04It's so crazy that it works. It's crazy that that works when that book is available for everybody and should be interpreted. I mean, you should understand what it means. You shouldn't interpret it ignorantly, right? Right. But if you're wise enough to be able to in capture what they're trying to say, just capture in your mind what they're trying to say and translate it into a thing that makes sense. So like, what were they talking about? Yeah. What happened? Is this a map of how the universe was created in the beginning? There was light. Is that a map or is that life itself? Like, what is that?

3:00:43What is it? And to me, that's like, oh, like the Bhagavad Gita, any of these beautiful texts. That's what's fun about them is that it's producing a kind of like bizarre riddle in your own mind as you're trying to decode it. But then there's a pull. The more you study it, the more you get drawn in. And when you start getting really drawn in, that's when people start appearing around you that help in non -none the fariest way. That like, you just start meeting people who help you understand it a little bit more and that's where it gets fucking weird. The simulation. Yes, dude, you're like, the simulation is fuck around.

3:01:25By the way, now that we've talked about the Bible, can I talk about my new favorite book? Yes. Dianetics.

3:01:33If you are to this book. Yes. I heard if you're really good at it, they put you on a boat, an org. It's an org. You get to be a par with an org, a sea org. A sea org. You get a jacket with like some metals? Fuck it, dude. It's, I've sat on this podcast a million times with my favorite Mark Twain quote. Religion is what happened when the first con man met the first fool. And then, dude, like that's the problem with all this stuff is like, this is what... The problem is there's too many versions, right? So someone's wrong. No, the problem is people don't trust their fucking instincts and it's like, drive all blames and know on self.

3:02:08It's like, I'm like, this is your... Nothing that I am seen in the New Testament seems to be inviting you to throw your rational mind away. It's the whole fucking thing is crazy. It's crazy. But it's like the invitation is to like, God gave you your rational fucking mind if there is a God. And like anyone telling you to discard that and forgo your interpretation for theirs. Dude, watch the fuck out. This is your job. Like, just like whatever the fucking thing is, whether it's the Bible, Reddit conspiracy, fucking forechan, whatever the fucking thing is, what are you afraid of? Like, how... Do you not trust your mind?

3:02:56How weaker you are? Are you really afraid to like take data in? Do you think you're like, you're going to be corrupted by data? Well, listen, it also an identity thing because if you identify as the first thing, it's a talk in front of everybody, you're the priest. That's your identity and you're not going to give that up because then you just have another person who reads the Bible. Well, then Mike can go up too. Tomorrow Mike's going to go up. Mike's been trying at home, practicing in front of the mirror and he thinks he's ready to priest. To be a priest. So I want you to let Mike try it tomorrow night.

3:03:26And Debbie's been reading a lot too and Debbie's like, try Tuesday. And this guy's used to getting his jolly's off three, four times a week telling people about blasphemy. Yeah. Yeah. And then especially if you're like one of them 10 revival guys, those wild dudes like Kenis and used to be. Yeah. Just con -horses, con -horses that are also saying biblical quotes, but they're manipulating people. They're really good at talking. They're hypnotizing people with their words. Just like you hypnotize a comedy audience. Dude, this is why I listen to Christian radio, man, because like, I like that. No, it's a comic.

3:04:01Listening to sermons and recognizing like, that's a joke. Like, he's done that a lot. Like, that's one of his gags. I know that's a bit. That's a bit. I know what that is. That's a fucking thing. But you know, again, it's like the comment section. This is not an example of humanity. It's an example of fucking people with toxic plasmosis who are... You know what I mean? Motherfucker. But is it also just an example of... You're not going to have everyone be the same. You're going to have people that they'd never learned things well. Look, look, if you... If I got hired to be a part of some mathematical study, I'm useless.

3:04:50I'm not that guy. Right? I fucked up that part of my life. I never really learned that. Didn't pay attention. I'm not interested. So that's not me. But someone out there is. Right? And to have those two things exist simultaneously. You're going to have to have an infinite variety of possibilities for human beings. So that's part of the problem. Part of the problem is some people are just out of their fucking minds. And if those people out of their fucking minds get special rights, like the tax -free exempts' status because they're a pastor, and they're a fucking psychopath, they're just really good at conning people.

3:05:23And they're running this organization. There might be a guy right down the street that's a real Christian. There might be a guy right down the street that's a really kind person who's really reading the word of Christ. And he does it not for profit. He does it to try to establish the love of God in his community. And he takes these people in like their family and his beautiful community aspect to it. Where everybody's like kind to each other. His beautiful things to church. That's true too. But the problem is humans. Just like the problem with our ability to other each other, just our problem with the ability to attack people on the other side of the political spectrum.

3:05:58We live in the same fucking city as you. Like people are fucking rabid against other people in their town that want to vote for this guy. Yeah, they want to do this. And this guy wants to do that and fuck you, you commy. Yeah, everyone's going crazy. Dude, I know. It's just a human thing. It's a tribal thing. We are not yet cooked. We're a fucking soft boiled egg, baby. And we're running. Where is some eggs you get at the diner where you go, oh, you see that fucking jolat? That's us. That's not all the way cooked. Yeah. And when you eat things that aren't all the way cooked, you got a lot of fucking problems.

3:06:34You're going to get sick. Yeah, but we're getting cooked, buddy. We're getting microwaved. We're going to get AI microwaved in about three years. That's right, baby. The fucking AI Messiah is coming, baby. We are going to do a podcast, you and I, before this thing is done, before civilization slides into the ocean again. We're, you and I are going to do a podcast where we communicate with everyone with no words. What's going to happen? You're going to do it. I'm going to do it. We're going to be talking to each other with no words and we're going to talk to everyone else out there with no words too.

3:07:05We're all going to be synced up, but it's going to be a sea of ideas exposing each other to other ideas and like considering other ideas with no attachment. It's going to be super weird. And then you know what's going to happen? Aliens land. No, we're going to look around and be like, wait, this doesn't look like the Rogan studio. This is just like some weird fucking room. And then a CIA agent is going to come in and be like, thank you so much for participating in the experiment. And Trump will be on his fourth term. No, it'll be the 60s. And we realize we're weird and a fucking MK ultra experiment.

3:07:39That's probably true. We've been rambling at each other for like what feels like a long time like our whole lifetime. But it was like five seconds. So like, well, okay, thank you for trying out seven nine BL XY. Right. We're in a basement and Harvard right now. Yeah, here's 20 bucks. Yeah. And Jolly West is looking at us with a clipboard.

3:08:02I love you, Joe. You're the best. It's always fun to get together. Thank you for having me on, man. I love you to tears. I love you to tears. All right. Goodbye, everybody. Bye.