#2167 - Noland Arbaugh

27:54It's something like, I'm not nervous talking to people. I never had stage fright. I think people are people. I think I'm pretty good with people. I'm not weird about interacting with others. I think it's because of my mom, my mom's the friendliest person in the world. So I grew up just being able to walk up to someone on the street and start a conversation if I wanted to. Then I can obviously tell things when people are interviewing me, like what they're trying to get for me. Just the way they ask questions, the tone of their voice, like, hey, I'm your friend. Open up to me. It's a tear. I know.

28:36It's just not great. Well, you know, that's the business they're in. If you work for a tire store, you're trying to sell tires. That's their business. You need new tires. Do I really? Their business is talking shit and making things. It's just a bad format. Most of those media interviews are bad formats because it's a very limited amount of time. And you have to have a clip that fits in between commercials. And also, they're not free. They have executives and there's too many people that get in there and just... The person talking to you should just be talking to you. And they should have an understanding of what you do and how it happened and what this is all about.

29:15What does means for future people? You know, it shouldn't be like going after Elon Musk. Everyone's so goddamn political right now. It's so weird. They're even making a political people political. It's just so to connect you to that. It's just so stupid. What you are is like I said, I think if there's a movie about the future. One of the very first people that has used this kind of technology and we're learning that these people are getting better at it. And now with the use of AI, I mean, who knows what's going to be possible with you just in a few years. It's very exciting. It is very exciting.

29:57I know a lot of people were really nervous about it. And understandably so. I'm nervous. I'm nervous. Yeah, I've heard a little bit of what you said about it. And I don't have like good arguments against it. Well, I can come on here and be like, Joe, don't worry, man. I'm here to help. Don't worry about it. I would say that's a computer in your brain. Let me let me into your computer, your phone. I'll show you there's no big deal. I'm your friend, Joe. No, but I get it. At the same time, the way I look at it is like how much it's going to be able to help people. How much is going to be able to help people like me at the beginning at least.

30:33Like, I know a lot of this is like down the road stuff. Like, you know, what it's going to do to normal people who get this. They're going to be able to be hacked or controlled or something. But for me, I think about it like how many people who are paralyzed don't have to be paralyzed anymore. How many people with disabilities, ALS or Alzheimer's or any of these who are blind, how many people are going to be able to live their lives again. And that's my goal at the beginning. I know that I feel like people are going to look at me and say like, I really need to be more concerned about a lot of the things coming down the road.

31:15And it's something that I'm trying to think more about because at some point people are going to ask and I don't have good answers for it. Because all I'm thinking about is, you know, like, I want to help people and I feel like this is going to help people. And that's what I'm focused on. Well, I think your perspective is probably the right one because no one knows what's coming. Yeah. No one. And you can be freaked out about it like I am. But sometimes freaked out about it. Other times I'm just sort of resigned to the fact that this is just the existence that we find ourselves in. Yeah. This is our timeline.

31:45We live in a very strange timeline. And it's happening at a very, very, very rapid rate. And no one has a map of the future. It's not possible. It's just all guess. It's completely, it is like an ant trying to figure out how to operate a knife phone. It's not, we don't have it. Yeah. Whatever it is, whatever it's going to be, it's going to be and you're not going to stop it now. It's, we are a runaway train. Yeah. Let's just hope we're going to a cool spot. Yeah, that's right. I mean, you look at 100 years ago, like, there's no way they could have imagined what our world would be like now. No.

32:20So. And I have a feeling the next five to 10 years is going to be a lot bigger than that. Yeah, I mean, X -Mounts of Growth. Yeah. Well, it's just once this stuff goes live, it's just, it's going to be really weird. It's going to be really weird. Yeah. But along the way, we're going to solve a lot of the problems. Yeah. That, I mean, look, if I have, I've had three knee surgeries, two ACL reconstructions. If I lived a hundred years ago, I'd be a cripple. Yeah. You know, just how it is. Yeah. My knees would be destroyed. I wouldn't be able to walk good. Yeah. And now I can do anything. It's, that's just medical technology and understanding of the human body.

32:59Implementation of this kind of device that can allow you to move your body. And can, as you were saying earlier, you can bring back eyesight to some people. Yeah. This is something that they really are hopeful for. Mm -hmm. Have they done any of that on animals yet? Um, I'm not sure. I know that what the plan is, like, they did a talk about it a while ago. Um, on like a show and tell, they basically show how, um, like, the, how the Neuralink works in my brain would be very, very similar. You would just, uh, take, you would, you would like activate certain parts of the brain or, um, behind the eye, uh, the part of the brain, the part of the eye that, um, take, sight and stuff.

33:46You would activate certain things in order to display what's going on around the world to someone, to the back of someone's eye, to their retina, whatever it is. I don't know much about it. But they have done it. Um, oh, they did it with, um, monkeys, actually. Yeah. So there's a video of, um, them lighting up parts of a screen and, uh, they have, like, basically, an eye tracker in the monkey. And so the monkey will look to different parts of the screen and, um, like, wherever they've lit up on the brain, basically. So whatever is going, whatever implant they have in the brain, they'll, like, light up somewhere on the brain and it, then they'll light it up on the screen and the monkey will look there.

34:25And then at some point they stop lighting it up on the screen and they're just lighting it up in the monkey's brain and the monkey still looks there. So, yeah, so they know that they can do these sorts of things. Um, yeah, it's, it's amazing. I know that there are other companies that have done something similar to this too, um, with, like, giving people, uh, like helping people with their eyesight. I know one of them, like, went under, which was, that was just a wild story, a basically about a company who had implanted things in people and the company went under and then the people in the study were like, well, what do we do now?

34:59Um, and they didn't know if they were just going to, like, continue. That's one of the things about, like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I should mention that the blind sight implant is already working in monkeys. Resolution will be low at first, like early Nintendo graphics, but ultimately make seed normal human vision. Holy shit. Also, no monkey has died or been seriously injured by a neural link device. Yeah. March 21st. By a neural link device. Right. But they did have to kill the monkeys that they originally did studies on. Yeah. Do you know much about, like, studying with animals and stuff like that?

35:33Yeah, you have to kill them to find out what damage you've done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Basically all, all animals that, um, are in studies at some point get, I think they have a really terrible term for it. I think they call them, call it sacrifice. So they sacrifice. That's a tenix. Yeah. Come up with a new word, guys. Right? I know, right. Um, but this day and age. There's a lot of fucking. It's not fear of sacred. It's not a great, um, for their cause. We could have worked on that. Yeah. All right. Just put a little bit more thought into it. Um, so yeah, they do that. They have to, like you said, learn something from the monkeys from the animals that they're testing on.

36:13So some of them, they will, you know, let live longer. Some of them, they'll implant something in and then sacrifice almost immediately to see, because they have to know what it's doing. Short term, medium term, long term. Um, so basically all animals and all animal testing get sacrificed at some point. I don't know how true that is because obviously a lot of them, once they're done with the study that they're in, they let go live. If it wasn't too invasive, if they don't need to like study any part of them, they're going to need to be killed for. Um, but if you're going to study the brain. If you're going to study the brain, yeah, there's really no other way.

36:47You got to get it. So then, and then there was the whole like report that came out about all the terrible things that Nurelink was doing to monkeys. I've talked to the people. I got to meet them, the people who were working directly with the monkeys. Those monkeys have the best animal facility in the world. Someone like came in and built it. Like basically they're going around now. That person is going around and changing how other. Like labs treat their monkeys like for the better. So they're going, they're like revolutionizing the world of like animal testing basically. So Nurelink treats their animals better than anywhere else.

37:29And then the report that came out and said like all of these terrible things that were happening with animals, it's, it's skewed. Because all of the things that they brought up were just, it was all of the bad. Like basically anything bad that happens to the monkey has to be, or any of the animals has to be reported and gets reported in this like, you know, XYZ format of this is what's going on with the monkey. This is what happens, what we think happened. We had to kill the monkey, yes or no. But none of the other things get reported at all. None of the time between like if it's five years of the monkeys alive and one bad thing happens, then there's a report about that one bad thing happened in the monkey.

38:10And you compile all of that and like look at all of these terrible things that are going on with the monkeys, but it's just not really true. Interesting. Yeah. Well, it's a tough one because some people don't think any study should go on with animals at all. Yeah. And so for them, everything that happens to an animal in captivity for a scientific purpose is evil. You know, I get it, I get it from their perspective. Yeah, I get it. You know, they call us speciesists because we're willing to do things to monkeys that we, you know, aren't there like a lot of evil people in the world we could practice on?

38:42You know, I mean, I don't want to give anyone any ideas. Right. That's terrible thing to say. You shouldn't do that, but an innocent monkey. It's fine. Very weird. I mean, monkeys do terrible things to us too. And they do provoke, you know, or if they live in urban neighborhoods where they rely on tourists and they steal their phones for food and attack people. Yeah, they're, they're fuckers. Yeah. They can be fuckers. But I saw, I saw a story of a monkey who basically tore some kids face off is, I think he was like outside of the village or in his village. And the whole story was about how they were doing reconstructive surgery on the kid and like making him look a bit more normal again.

39:22But that's terrifying. Monkeys are unbelievably strong. There's a video of a guy sitting on the ground cross -legged and a monkey hops on his shoulder. And then the guy's like, he's thinking it's cute and smiley. And then the monkey just decides to take a massive chunk of his scalp off. Just bites down on his head and just takes like a football sized chunk of scalp off this dude's head. It's horrible. Just decided for no reason, unprovoked. Wow. You know, monkey lives in a rough neighborhood. Yeah, hard. You know, hard life. He's not out there just, you know, picking fruit. This is it. So this dude is just sitting here with his monkey is sick sitting on his lap and he's like talking to the monkey.

40:03He's like, oh, Mr. Monkeys. He's saying something bad about it. Look, he doesn't seem like he's bummed out about the monkey. Now watch what the monkey does. Oh, gee. Yo. Ouchy, wow. Is that a skull? I hope it was a look out. That was a skull. No, not that. I mean, that would have to be a chunk of skull, right? But it was the skin. I mean, that's gone. That's gone forever. Yikes. No thanks. Ouch. Yeah, gross. But, you know, the monkey again probably had a hard life. Yeah. You know, we need his monkey life reform. Yeah, I know. I think when we're looking at these kind of scientific experiments on animals, a lot of people are going to have a problem with.

40:46Yeah. But I wonder through with new technology, if that's even going to be necessary anymore, if they'll in the future, particularly with the leaps that are going to be made with AI. I wonder if they're going to be able to just be able to map out a study, you know, like understand the interactions between human beings and these devices and be able to map out the possibilities and probabilities without having to do that. Yeah, you would think so. But who knows? Yeah, it makes sense. It makes sense. I feel like at the beginning, they would probably need to do like that along with the study on a human.

41:23So they might run, say, simulations a million times on what, you know, an AI simulation on what how this would interact with human. But then they would have to go in and do it to see how true the like simulations are. And then depending on how accurate they are, then maybe they could just go fully to that. But if it ends up being different, then. Yeah, I have a feeling they're going to be able to replace parts with artificial parts too. Yeah. Like the eyeball itself. I was just thinking about that the other day, like how complex, like look how small these little cameras are on phones, little tiny -ass cameras.

41:57But one of these can do a hundred X zoom, you know, one of these is 200 megapixels. It's a little tiny thin thing. Like what's to say that they wouldn't be able to come up with something that works way better than the human eye? Well, you could zoom in. Yeah. Just like a phone, just like zoom in to something, like, but have like a real optical zoom. Yeah. I just hope they don't give them red retinus. That'll be creepy. Yeah, I know. Terminator style. Yeah, I know. Yeah. It just seems like they could do better. Yeah, it would be very weird talking to someone with two fake eyes. It'd be weird if you couldn't even tell.

42:35You probably wouldn't trust them anymore, right? Because you kind of like look into someone's eyes and then you find out they're cool. Yeah, yeah. Like if you're just looking into these lenses, you're like, are you even in there anymore? Yeah. I'm just trusting that you're still there. It's like talking to someone with sunglasses on forever. You know, you know, what's going on there? What are you looking at? That is a weird thing that we look through the eye. You know, it's the old expression. The windows are to the soul. Yeah. I mean, you can tell, right? Yeah. Sometimes looking at people, you're looking at their eyes, you're like, you're looking at things too.

43:07Like you get crazy eyes or something. You're a little sketchy. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Like I'm saying, maybe at some point you wouldn't even be able to tell. Which is also something to think about. Like if you wouldn't be able to tell someone had robot eyes, like just looked like a normal person. Right. But that's a real part of how we interact with each other. It's like facial expressions, like figuring each other out just by like how your eyes are looking at me. Oh, man. Well, it's not like you distrust someone because they have like a glass eye or something. No, not glass eye. Yeah.

43:36Yeah. If they got like red lights moving around inside their head. Maybe that's the only way it works. It has to make a little noise. Especially when you're alone with them here. Me, me, me, me. It's all through the night. Yeah, like when you live in this or you wrap a eye movement in the air. Yeah. Why are you sleeping? Yeah. I mean, I'm sure they've worked. Wasn't there some sort of study where they were trying to develop an artificial eye? I got a, whether or not this is, I'm trying to find out real it is. I got one guy who has a 3D printed eye. 3D printed eye. I got a camera in it or something.

44:12I'm trying to find it. And it, oh, it doesn't it hook up to his tooth? I don't, that there's two things I'm seeing here. They figured out a way to allow people to see things through their teeth. Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah. I don't get it. I don't get it. I'm not going to get that one. Yeah. It's not the time in the world for me to figure that out. Yeah, for me, though. Thank God for smart people. Oh, no, right. I mean, how are they getting it through the tooth? I don't know. I'm trying to, I'm trying to. Both of them, the 3D printed eye. Here's the one guy, first guy. He's a director. Showed himself in the eye and asked, oh, yo.

44:50I guess he's got a camera in there. It says. And he sees through the camera? I was trying to get to, yeah, it's got a transmitter. I don't know if it's going to his brain, but he can see it on a, he. Oh, so you can see it on a phone. Yeah. Well, that's kind of weird. Maybe that's the first step that they need to get. That guy would make the weirdest POV porn. It's made in like the 90s. It's not new. And I'll, yes, 12 years ago. So then, it's not a game boy, but it's some sort of a proprietary, little electronic video player. Hmm. Yeah. Amazing times. Yeah. So what is next in terms of like how long does this study that you're on?

45:31Oh, blind woman sees with tooth in eye surgery. Doctors in Florida restore a woman's site by implanting a tooth in her eye. That's different. No, but I think that's how they do it. That is, that is the thing that's, I was saying like three or teeth, but I mean, that's, that is how they do it. A team of specialists, the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine announced Wednesday that they're the first surgeons in the United States to restore a person's site by using a tooth. The procedure is formally called modified osteoodonto carotop carotop carotop carotop prosthesis. Sharon K. Thornton 60 went blind nine years ago from a rare disorder called Stephen Johnson syndrome.

46:12The disorder left the surface of her eye. So severely scarred. She was legally blind, but doctors determined that the inside of her eyes were still functional enough that she might one day see with the help of this thing. This is a patient with a surface of the eye was totally damaged, no wetness, no tears, Dr. Victor L. Perez, the ophthalmologist at the Baskham Palmer Eye Institute at the University of Miami, who operated on Thornton. So we kind of recreate the environment of the mouth in the eye. What? I don't get that. Three -phase operation started with the University of Miami Adentist, Dr.

46:45Yo Sawati Sawatari, who removed the tooth from Thornton's mouth and prepared an implant of her own dead body. The dental tissue for her most severely damaged eye, the tissue would be used to make a new cornea to replace the damaged one. The doctors then remove a section of Thornton's cheek that would become the soft mucus tissue around her pupil. Whoa! Finally, Perez and his team implanted the modified tooth, which had a hole drilled through the center to support a prosthetic lens. We used that tooth as a platform to put the optical cylinder into the eye, explain Perez. Perez said doctors often use less risky and less invasive techniques to replace corneas, but the damage with Thornton's Stephen Johnson syndrome ruled those out.

47:27Whoa! Using a tooth might sound strange, but it also offers an advantage because doctors used Thornton's own cheek and tooth tissue. She faces less risk that her immune system will attack the tooth and reject the transplant. Patients getting a cordia transplant from a deceased donor on the other hand, face chances that their immune system will reject the new tissue. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, for some reason I thought they were using that tooth to like, not alone, use it as a replacement for like her vision in some way, but it's literally just a place holder for like, you know, different, different things like the tissue and different places to like, like, this that hold that lens and stuff, that makes more sense.

48:07Yeah, I thought it was that too. I thought they were seeing through the teeth. Yeah, yeah. I was like, that doesn't, I don't get it. No, that makes more sense. Like, why can't we see through our teeth all the time, if you look at what's going on in my mouth? Right. Yeah. All this stuff is, it's just mind blowing to imagine where this is going to be in 100 years. Yeah. And with you, do you have the, like, if they start doing the range of motion studies or the being able to recreate motion or restore motion, are you going to be available for those studies? Can you do that, too, or are you only, like, locked into this one study?

48:46Yeah, I don't know. I imagine I'm locked into this for now at least, but at the same time, I'm not sure, I'm really not sure. You would have to do it with someone who already has the implant in their brain. So I don't know if it'll be a separate knurling that they would need, like a different one specifically for, like the two implants interacting together. I don't see why that would be the case. Just like the same thing with people who, they're going to have to test to see if the surgery to replace a knurling is safe at some point. They're going to go through a whole thing. So they're going to have to do it on people who already have it in.

49:26So I imagine like that sort of study might be something I would be involved in if they're planning on implanting one in someone's spinal cord and then seeing how they interact and seeing if it works. I don't see why I couldn't be in that, but we'll see. It's kind of a long way off, I think. How big is the knurling implant? It's about the size of a quarter. It's thicker than a quarter. I don't know, maybe half an inch, it's like that thick. And does it, it's on the surface? Yeah, it's implanted on my skull. So they cut out a chunk of my skull. I think it's called the craniacomy. And then they left that chunk out and just replaced it with the knurling.

50:07Did they take that chunk and put it in the freezer so they could put it back in you sometimes? Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't think so. Oh, talking about it, yeah, talking about it afterwards. That's it. Yep. That's a good head. I was talking about it with my buddy afterwards. And I was like, I should have asked them for my chunk of skull. That would have been sweet. Yeah, I don't think they're allowed to give that to people. Yeah, I think that's like bio waste or something like that. I think bio has, I know, it should, it definitely should be. They get people, they get people, they're testicles back.

50:39Right, but it has to be in like formaldehyde or something. Okay. So let's take your skull and put it into formaldehyde. Yeah, that's fine. As long as I can have it. How many versions did they go through before they got to the one when they were willing to do it on people? A lot. I saw like from their very first idea of Nurelink through this one. I don't know. I don't know how exactly how many there were. I would say at least one or two dozen of different iterations. Yeah, and then like the version I have is like thousands and like the thousand or two thousand iteration of this one. So like they're constantly changing stuff.

51:25So like even the next person that gets it, they've probably made I don't know, a thousand more modifications to it. Little things just like if they've seen certain certain things in my implant they can improve on. Obviously they're going to change how the threads work. They're going to add more electrodes. They're going to maybe update the battery. They might update a lot of things. They're looking at updating what signal it uses instead of Bluetooth. They're looking at different things like that. So the next one that comes in is probably going to be much different. Maybe the same design. Maybe they found a better design.

52:00I don't know. Wow. And I know in the future they've talked about putting this into people that don't have any issues medically. What are they planning on doing? Like how are they planning on that? What do you mean how? In terms of like is that going to just be offered for you? What are the long term goals? Is it to get the internet on that? Is there people communicate telepathically? Is it going to be like a slow build up to the idea that everyone is going to want to get one of these things? I think once it's proved, so like this, this studies to prove whether or not it's safe and if it works basically.

52:38I think once that's proven then they're going to get into a lot more of what it's actually capable of. And then once it's released to the public, I think people are going to rush to get it honestly. At least a group of people who have been following it at the very least because once we know that it's safe, then that's one of the big things that people are going to like once that lifted once you're like, okay, it's safe. Now we can go through and start talking about being able to communicate with people and being able to you know possibly download information or have it be available to you using AI and stuff like that.

53:11I'm not sure if that's going to happen. I don't see why it's not possible at the very least. And then they, I know Nareling is talking about opening up a clinic in Austin, basically where you would go in and get a surgery and like walk out. So it's not like like my surgery was, I don't want to say not invasive because obviously they did brain surgery. But it was, they were expecting it to be, you know, something like three to six hours and my surgery took under two hours. It went super, super fast. There were no complications at all. It was not like obviously invasive in the brain, but there was no damage done really.

53:51So, and this was the very first time. So once they get this even better, even more tuned in than I imagine people go into this clinic and go in and come out in a few hours with an early and then they can chat with other friends online or something. Yeah. It'd be pretty cool. It'd be pretty cool. So again, I'm not, I'm not here to talk about like the ethical ramifications of that or like how, how it's fun to think about like the things that might go wrong or could go wrong. And it's probably something that people much smarter than me should think about whether or not it should be done. But I think there are so many things that you could do with it.

54:31I think it's going to be done no matter what. And if it's not done by neural link, it's going to be done by someone in another country. Yeah. It's going to be done. Technology always moves forward. It never stops over concerns of what could possibly go wrong. Hence the nuclear bomb. Yeah. Yeah. It's not going to stop. Yeah. It's just not what we do. We, we always try to come up with greater things. And if someone does figure out a way to connect human beings to some form of wireless internet or wireless data or some completely new thing instead of thinking as the internet as we know it being these devices that go to websites.

55:09It might be a completely different invention that uses a completely different type of technology to sink all the information and all the minds in the world together. It might not be as dopey as going to a website. Like going to a website is probably like an archaic way to do it. Yeah. You know, it'll be like the cloud or the metaverse or something. You can just hop in and everyone will be there. You can go chat with whoever you want around the world. And they can just upgrade your operating system and make you woke. Exactly. Right? He's signed up for the wrong one. Yeah. The next, you know, he gets a way way crazy ideas.

55:45Yeah. Propaganda will take new leaps and bounds. Right. But then who's running it? Like that's what is it one person and everybody else is a robot? That doesn't make any sense. That's what they'll try. I'm sure someone's going to want to run it all. Someone is going to want to run it. Yeah. It's going to need to be hopefully they buy that point. They will regulate it. But as we've seen with like, you know, things like AI art, even they're trying to catch up with that. Should we have like thought about this before all this was released and like, no, government will figure it out. Yeah. Good luck with that.

56:19Right. Well, they're able to scour the internet for every artist's work and then sort of take pieces of that and create art. And these artists are like, hey, you know, that took me fucking forever to paint that. Yeah. Like, can you just stole it and did a version of it in 13 seconds? Yeah. Weird. Yeah. And that's just one problem. Another problem is deep fakes and songs. Like, they made a Drake song that became a hit and Drake had nothing to do with it. Yeah. It's not that far away from it being out of the barn where you're not going to be able to ever stop. You're not going to be able to do whatever you want in terms of like creating videos, audios, and it'll look indistinguishable from a real video, real audio.

57:05Yeah. They're already going to take this podcast and translate it into different languages without me being able to speak them just through AI. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think they did the same thing with the deep fakes like you were just saying. I think they did something with like Trump recently, where it was like a deep fake of Trump. And after a while he had to be like, hey, guys, that wasn't me. Wasn't there a football player that was saying some wild shit that turned out to be fake or a basketball player? Yeah, that too. Did you hear about this, Jimmy? It depends on which exactly what you're talking about.

57:32But there's a bunch of fake -dress conferences that go viral. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. It's like a thing someone's doing. Yeah. But apparently it was just barely wacky enough for people to go that looks fake. But you have to be very sophisticated. If you saw this, I mean, we're getting used to looking for things being fake. Whereas 20 years ago, you would say that's real. Yeah. I see it. It's a video. It's real. It's something that I was actually just talking with my buddy about the other day. I think it's going to be something similar to, you know, how like we get emails from Nigerian princes.

58:03And we're like, yeah, like grandma, don't open that. Don't send them money. It's not real. I think it's going to be something that people are able to do, like the next generations. Where they look at something online and they're like, oh, yeah, that's AI. Oh, yeah, that's fake. But yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, they're just, they're going to grow up with it. So they're going to be able to figure out. But maybe not, this stuff looks so real. I don't know. But maybe they're going to have to be required. Did you like watermarks or something on it every time this? They're going to be able to stop it.

58:33I think we're just going to get into a real weird blurry place. I think the one thing that might help. And this sounds crazy. But I think ultimately what technology does is closes. It makes things more accessible. It gets you more information. It connects people more. It's with translation. It's connecting people from different cultures and different countries more. I think ultimately what it's going to do is it's going to be some sort of a mind interface. I don't think it's going to be as simple as language. I think it's going to be a next level mind interface. If it's something through a technology akin to neural link or maybe future versions of neural link.

59:19I think we're going to be able to know what someone's actually thinking. I think you're not going to be able to lie anymore, so I'm saying. I don't think lying is going to be possible 100 years from now. Which would be a really good thing. And if you're a person right now that lives your life without lying, you know this. This is way better. As a person who used to lie and doesn't lie ever now, I'll tell you right now. It's great. I love it. It's a good thing to not lie. And if you live your life in this manner where there cannot be deception. How much more would we get done? How much more would we understand each other in relationships?

59:54And if you're bullshitting, you'll understand that you're bullshitting. By the way, another person sees your thoughts and then you'll be forced to handle those and go, you know what? I'm trying to put this off on other people. And it's really me. I'm the problem. You'll be able to see it. Everyone will see reality instead of these sort of manufactured narratives that people have with this very selective view of memory. And their thoughts of the past. And you know, my boss did me wrong. No, you were a fuck up. You showed up late every day. Like, you know, a fucking, they fucking hated me. No, you were super insecure and real shitting around people.

1:00:30You know, it's like you'll see, we'll be able to solve a lot of our social issues that seem insurmountable because of poor communication. And lack of honesty, a lack of real honest conversations instead of just people trying to win arguments. Yeah, yeah, that'd be great until people realize that, you know, maybe you don't need to lie exactly. Maybe you can find ways to work around having to lie with this thing. If you can't lie anymore, if you're not allowed to, I mean, people find ways to kind of sort of lie all the time. And then also if you can hack it and then you're able to lie and know and else is, then that becomes kind of an issue too.

1:01:11If in some way you are able to like jailbreak your knurling so you can't lie anymore and then you're the only one lying, everyone's going to believe you. They think that you can't lie and then that brings up a whole new world of problems. My eyes, you're seeing right into the thoughts. Oh, I see. I don't think you have a chance to lie. Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't think there's any, there's none. That doesn't exist anymore. I think it goes away. And hence, leaders go away. That's going to be a real problem. We're going to have to have actual understanding of all the different processes that are in play, whether it's environment or resources or intercountry conflicts, whatever the fuck is going on.

1:01:52We're going to have a, we're have to have a real understanding of it without politicians bullshitting us as to why we're going to do something that won't exist anymore. That would be wild. They would be the ones that would resist it the most. They were like, wait, this dangerous mind reading technology. I'm going to chase things and put good nads. He blows you to have a press conference. I mean, I, I just think of something like that ever came about. They would never let it happen. I don't think they have a choice. Because China will do it, Russia will do it, everyone will do it. Someone's going to do it.

1:02:22All these eggheads out there that are willing to push that, but they're not going to listen to the government. Shut the fuck up. The government is just a bunch of people. The, the super nerds out there are the ones who are really in charge of this stuff, because even we're seeing this with technology and some of these hearings on AI, the people that are asking the questions don't know what the fuck is going on. You know, and I'm sure you saw that with some of the Facebook hearings and some of the other hearings. The people that are actually asking about the tech time. How much time do you have to get into the understanding of this?

1:02:51How much time between worrying about water rights and your district and this and all these other problems that you have as a politician? How much time are you actually spending trying to figure out how social media works? Yeah, probably none. They just have aides that are getting all this stuff. That's why they have pieces of paper and they're looking down at their reading glasses. Now, Mr. Zuckerberg, my phone doesn't go to Google. Right. Why is that? He's like, grandpa is who argue on Facebook. They're not going to be the people that control AI, and they're not going to be the people that are going to be able to figure out how to stop mind reading technology.

1:03:27I think when mind reading technology comes, it's going to come so fast that it's going to be just like all these other things like the internet. It came so fast they couldn't control it. Because if you looked at the internet, if you looked at what the internet is done for like a distrust in mainstream media, distrust in politicians, exposing corruption, all the different things that we know about now that are a fact that just 20 years ago you would have thought been crazy conspiracy talk. If they knew that that was going to happen and make life so much more difficult for them, they would have regulated the internet from the jump.

1:03:58They would have stopped stepped in, took over like China did, took over like North Korea did, and you would get their version of the internet forever, and that's it, and there's no growth, and there's silence dissidents. And that's how they would have done it if they had ever known that it was going to be what it is now. I think that's exactly what's going to happen with mind reading software and mind reading technology. I think it's going to happen. They're going to be like, oh, geez, that's Christ. I don't think, you know, and also, look, they're just human beings too. They're going to want that.

1:04:29If they find out there's a technology that allows you to communicate with people in a completely new way, and it's much more fulfilling, and we understand each other much better, and we really do realize that we are all one. Imagine we can communicate with this technology, and it ends war overnight. It makes war literally impossible. You realize that these people that you're about to bomb are you, and that we're all the same thing. We're all one consciousness experiencing itself through different bodies and different lives and different experiences, and different genes, and different parts of the world, but we're all genuinely the same thing.

1:05:06Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It brings up a lot of questions like where we would go from there, though, like how it's going to change from the alien's land. The alien's land, we figured out. Finally. Oh, man. Yeah. We were waiting. If that's what it takes to bring aliens down, then I'm all for it. If that's what it takes to really get us to be face to face, the only thing I keep telling my buddy is, like, I am all down for the whole, like aliens come in, us interacting with them and everything, as long as they're not the mantids. If they're the mantis people, I don't want anything to do with them.

1:05:39I think that, you know, I just don't want it. I'm with you, bro. Yeah. Fuck the mantis people. He imagined mantises were like the size of a dog. We'd be so fucked. We'd be so fucked. One of the most gangster videos I've ever seen online is like a gecko, and the geckos trying to eat the mantis. And the gecko walks up to the mantis and tries to get it, and the mantis is like, not today. I'm going to eat you. And the gecko was like, what is happening? You can see it's looking at its face. It's like so confused. And it's got its claws, these fucking, these giant things wrapped around and controlling the stress arts, eating its face.

1:06:16Yeah. Mantises are like insects themselves. Like you look really get up close to an insect. You're like, that thing is ugly. I do not like it one bit. Now imagine that, and the things I've heard about the mantids is they're not the size of a dog. They're like the size of like multiple people, and no thanks. Like absolutely not. The mantis aliens, I'm not too familiar with. I've seen like a couple things online. How many people have seen the mantis aliens? Yeah, I know of one story where there was a hunter just walking around and it got like dark over him or something, and he looked up, and there was just like a ship over him, and he looked through his scope, and he looked right into some like mantis people.

1:06:58And, and I'm not okay with that. Like that's the one alien story I think I'll stay far away from and hope it's something else. Well, you got to think that insects have some kind of bizarre intelligence, because that's if you've ever seen leaf cutter ant colonies when they pour the cement in them, and you realize like how sophisticated they are, like, how do you guys do this? Like, how do you figure this out? There's like, they have channels where the air can pass through that so they can ferment leaves. So they have like a fermentation factory inside their ant colony, and the colony is huge. Yeah.

1:07:35It's so big, and you're like, you little tiny fuckers built a city underground right here. There's got to be some sort of intelligence. Now, if ants evolved to the point where they developed that kind of intelligence, who's to say that in a different environment where ants have more access to food, more access to resources, and more competition that they don't evolve to the point where that intelligence keeps getting scaled up, and they get to like a human, human level intelligence from an insect, or beyond. Why not? Yeah. They just need some psychedelics or something to really get that brain to grow.

1:08:14Or a neural link. Yeah. Right. That's what I have a feeling. I have a feeling that in the future, everyone's going to be some sort of a cyborg, and everyone else is going to be artificial, that there'll be complete life forms that were developed just with computers. Just computer, like computers, technology, whatever form of chips, and they'll put together things that are more intelligent than us, can communicate with us, can work with us. But that's going to be one of those things. It's not going to be one of us, and that'll be a different life form that exists alongside with us. But I don't think there'll be very many people like me, no chip, no nothing, just a person.

1:08:58Like, what is that moron doing? You're running around with no chip. You know, I think in the future, it's going to be everyone's going to have something that enhances them. We already do with our phones. It's going to be something beyond that, where it's going to be so compelling that everyone's going to want to do it. You're not going to get it. If it comes out. I'm not saying we're not going to get it. I might get it. I might have, I don't want to be alone. I'm going to be the only person who can't read minds. I probably wouldn't want to be the first adopter. I won't wait a little bit. That was an argument that I had with doing this was, do I really want to be the first?

1:09:40I mean, who knows what kind of problems it's going to be, but for a guy like you, I would say they're pretty sure it works. And they were right. How cool was it the first day to be able to play video games? Yeah, it was awesome. It was really fun. Civilization 6, I don't know. I don't even have heard of it. It's a massive game. It's something I've been wanting to play for a long time. I was able to kind of sort of play it with some different assistive technology over the last few years, but not really. And I played it like all night. I didn't sleep. It was freaking awesome. Man, I just love, I mean, I grew up being a gamer.

1:10:20I grew up in kind of this age. So the last eight years, I've watched all of my friends play games that I've wanted to play. And the fact that I might be able to play some of them, like some of them are still too far out of reach for the NERLINK at this point, but not for much longer. In the next few years, I think I'll be able to play anything anyone else plays. Halo. I love Halo. I'm a big Halo guy. You're going to be able to play that? Yeah, I hope so. I really hope so. So you'll be able to play shooters, I call it dude. Yeah, yeah. That brings up another thing. Like, I basically have an aim bot in my head.

1:10:53Oh, that's probably, yeah. They'll probably have like different leagues for people like me because it's just not fair. Wow. Is it that accurate? It's that accurate. And it's faster. One thing that I found with the NERLINK is something that kind of blew my mind too is that when I'm attempting to do stuff sometimes, or I'm thinking it to like move in a certain place, sometimes it's so good that it's moving before I even like think it to move. It's almost like if you think about moving your hand, the signal is basically already being sent before you move your hand. Like you're your mind is saying, okay, he's about to move his hand basically.

1:11:39So the signal needs to be sent all the way down and back up in order for you to move your hand. So the speed that all that happens and it's almost a little preemptive. I saw that with the NERLINK where it was moving the cursor before I was actually moving my hand. Wow. So with video games, stuff like that, you just need to think for it to move somewhere and it is that accurate. And it's quicker than you can even think. So there's no way it's going to like no one else is going to be able to keep up with it. That's going to be wild for something like Quake. Like a first person, like a fast first person shooter, you're running down hallways and you just catch some people and shoot them instantaneously.

1:12:21Elon Musk will have a field there. Wasn't he like one of the best Quake players in the world? Was he? Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, I think he was like one of the top Quake players in North America at one point. I don't, I wouldn't doubt that. Yeah, I know he's a gamer. I know he gets addicted to games, especially something that's that exciting. That's going to be so dope for you, man. You'll be fucking people up. Yeah, it'll be cool. I'll just enter tournaments and I won't tell them I have the NERLINK. I don't know how I would do it, I guess. Yeah, but if I'm doing it all online, like, I'm kind of able to see you.

1:12:59I'm going to need to play them in a tournament, like a one on one tournament. And fuck up like the best players in the world would not be insane. Yeah, I bet they would play. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, because like there's tactics and strategy, especially if you're doing one on one death match, where you have to know like when the health is spawning and when the weapons are spawning, how to control a map. So they'll have like a little bit of an advantage in that. Yeah, but if you just can't miss it. I'm pretty good. I like it. Yeah, I like it. Now, what about VR? Has there been any sort of interface that allows you to use like Meta's VR or Oculus?

1:13:47No, not yet. I don't think so like a lot of what we've done is just the computer at this point. Like they're planning on doing it in the phones. I did connect to a Nintendo Switch at one point, I was playing Mario Kart. And that's something that isn't like too far off as well for me to just be able to do that on my own. But that's going to be every console. I don't see why VR would be any different. I think at some point in the study, they're going to do it just to see if it works. I don't see why it wouldn't at all. The only thing that I would say is that VR actually requires physical movement.

1:14:19Like there's a couple games that we have. Yeah, but if the brain is already interpreting your motor cortex, the movement of your motor cortex, then you can just think, move this and it'll move it in VR as well. I think it would work. Right, but you're actually moving these handles in VR. Oh, yeah, I see what you mean. Yeah, I see what you mean. You know, you have the handles here. We'll just get an optimist robot and then have him hold the VR handles and then you can control that. He's connected to you. Yeah, it would be the same. Bro, you're going to be inside that thing walking around. I'll just, I'm always thought.

1:14:54I'm always thought. Yeah, I've always thought if, you know, you should give me an optimist robot. I'll have it get one of those like baby chest carriers or something. And you can just care me around like that. Bro, you imagine walking down the street with that. That's so you'd accidentally step on people. You ever, do you ever watch Dave Chappelle's old like show that he did? There was a. Chappelle show you mean? Yeah, I was on it. I didn't. Sorry, I didn't. No worries. There was one about home stenographers. And it's basically like a little person that they carry around on one of those carriers like they're back and it's just like a stenographer.

1:15:31He's typing down everything you say. And I just want something like that. Like a little optimist robot carrying me around on his back. Like a kangaroo pouch. Yeah, something like that. Put it right in the front. So you just leave me sitting there. That's what you want. Yeah, you want like your head on the chest. Yeah, you want to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. If you say what's this guy doing? The. Oh, there it is. Oh, he's talking for. And he just reads back things. Oh, what you said. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, I do. I do remember that bit. Yeah. Yeah, that would like, I think the future is going to be very interesting.

1:16:05And I think there's going to be a lot of really wild discoveries that build upon other wild discoveries and stuff like neural link. I'm sure there's competing companies that are doing something similar, right? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think that, um, like I'm pretty sure some of the people who have left neural link have gone and either started their own little companies or have gone to other companies after doing something similar. I think neural links advancements now are going to pull everyone else up. I think neural link will be at the lead for quite a while. But I don't see why companies that haven't been able to achieve, but neural link is achieving now.

1:16:41Won't be able to do it in a year or two time. Like, especially like I said, because neural link is making everything so open source. And there's people like me out there who are just talking about it, like Willie Nilly, that, um, I don't see why other companies won't, you know, find some way to catch up over time. No, for sure. I think with them leading the way and the fact that it's been implemented and it's been successful. And the fact that they're already improving upon the software and how yours and being able to correct issues with it. What is their timeline? Like, uh, in terms of next being able to use something that allows people to move, that couldn't move, restore sight.

1:17:24Do they have like a timeline, but they think, well, yeah, I don't know. I keep saying that it's all going to happen in my lifetime for sure. I keep saying that it's going to happen in the next 10 years, 20 years, where quadriplegic's like me, paralyzed people won't have to be paralyzed anymore. I have this vision of someone being paralyzed going into the hospital, getting the neural link, and walking out like a day or two later, which I think is totally possible. Um, I think it's going to happen a lot sooner than later, especially how fast all this moving in the fact that this is, like, successful now.

1:17:58Um, I think it all, I don't know that it would help me, per se, um, like, even though I said it's in my lifetime. Um, part about being paralyzed in the quadriplegic is my body is just deteriorated so much that even if they did give me something to, like, make me able to move again, my body's just so jacked up at this point that I'm not sure it would really help that much. I could probably build it back up to a certain point, but even people who have, um, recovered or have been part of studies where they get some movement back, their bodies just don't work the same. Cause of atrophy, cause of atrophy, um, like, one of my, you know, ankles is completely jacked up.

1:18:38It's like twisted the wrong way. I have to wear this hand brace because if I don't, my fingers are all just like curled up, basically. And so, like, correcting some of that would take probably some extensive surgery. One of my buddies is like one of the top, um, um, ortho surgeons in the United States. So, um, maybe I could just get him to go in and fix it all. Um, but it would be a lot. And I'm not sure it would help and muscle atrophy. So I don't know. But I'm, that doesn't matter to me. What matters is that people won't have to be paralyzed in the future. Like that, that's more like that's worth more than anything.

1:19:16Well, that's also one of the legitimate uses for steroids. One of the legitimate uses for steroids is the people with like muscle wasting disease. And yeah, people with like severely atrophied and that it allows them to build up tissue better. Oh, yeah. Maybe that would help. Yeah, stem cells, steroids, gonna make you a super human, bro. Yeah. I mean, aren't I already one kind of already? Yeah. One, especially if you're playing you quick. I can't wait to see that. That's, uh, now with the future of this stuff, um, it's going to eventually get to a point where it's probably like in the beginning is probably going to be very difficult to acquire.

1:19:57Right. Like very expensive. But it's probably in the future going to be much more accessible. Yeah. When do they like if yours is if they complete your trial, they find it satisfactory. They have like a way to do it. When will the average person who is a quadriplegic be able to start being able to use some of this technology? I have no idea. Um, I know that my study is like the main part of the study is a year and then five years kind of extensive like follow up stuff in the study. So once that's done, however many people I've, I've seen numbers up to like a few hundred people have it in this five year timeline.

1:20:37So once all that happens, um, I don't know what like phase two is with this. I would say 20 years, but that's me probably also being very optimistic. I have no idea. I don't know like what the FDA is going to decide with all this. I don't know how much, how many more phases of the trial need to happen before that. I really couldn't tell you. Um, but honestly, I think it's within my lifetime for sure. And how did they contact you? How did you want to get in chosen? Yeah. Um, oh, my buddy's probably out there having a freaking heart attack. Um, so basically what happened was, um, I knew nothing about NERLINK.

1:21:22Um, I was just lying in my bed one day and I got a phone call from my buddy, um, at like 11 a .m. or something. And he, uh, I answered the phone. I was like, what's up? And he was like, you know, NERLINK just opened up their first in human trials. He's like, you should apply for this. I was like, cool. Like, what is it? So he explained it to me, um, gave me like a five minute rundown of what they're doing and stuff. And we applied over the phone. Um, like I just basically like told them all my information. He applied for me. Um, he spelled my name wrong on the application, which is pretty funny, um, because he was drunk at the time again on, uh, on a, on a Wednesday, a week, like 11 a .m.

1:22:13He was already wasted respect. Um, yeah, yeah. Respect to the day drinkers. Yeah. Yeah. It was, he, his justification for it is that he was like going to a wedding that weekend. He hadn't drank in a long time. So he's like, I need to understand what my tolerance is. So he drank like a whole bottle of fireball or something like that just to see like how he would be. Um, so yeah, we, we did all that. Um, and then within like a day or two, they contacted me. And then I went through about a month long application process of different, like zoom interviews and stuff. And then finally culminating in, uh, like an in person interview or in person, like full day of testing where they did like eight hours of tests on me, um, like different scans, blood tests, your own tests, things like that.

1:22:59Um, and then I was just waiting. What was it like when you found out it was going to be you? It was cool. It was cool. It was cool. It's got an email. You get a phone call. They called me. They called me for the first like. So I, I applied like September, late September, September, like 19th or something around that day. Um, a month later October, end of October. I had finished all my testing and interviews. And then I didn't find out they had chosen me until maybe the end of November, early December. And even when they said they had chosen me. They said I was going to be one of the first, um, like three people that they were doing for the first part of the study.

1:23:37So they didn't tell me I was going to be the first. Um, they just said we selected you as one of the candidates. Basically. Um, and so that was really, really cool. And then it was sort of a back and forth. Do I want to be the first? Do I want to wait till I have someone else? Because being the first, um, a lot more risk obviously. And I have the worst version of the neural link that's ever going to be in anyone. It's only going to get better. So I was like, maybe I'll let someone else get the first and then I get a better version than the second or third one. Um, but ultimately being the first is cool.

1:24:10Um, it's something that I just decided to do. I was like, this, this is the best way I can help to. If anything goes wrong, I'd rather go wrong to me than passing it up and having someone else struggle. Having someone else. If like God forbid, anyone like anything bad happened to someone, I would rather it happened to me. And I would rather not have passed up and watch it happen to someone else. So, um, decided to do it. And I was like, yeah, just let me know if I'm going to be the first or not. Obviously I wanted to at that point. And then about a month later, they called and they were like, we're going to do your surgery.

1:24:45You're going to be the first person. I think in December, they had told me that it could be me and they said that we might end up having to be the first and it could happen as early as like mid December. And that kind of stressed me out because I was a little worried that something bad would happen and I would have ruined Christmas for my family forever. I was like, if this is right around Christmas and something bad happens, like Christmas is going to be ruined forever. Luckily, they waited like an extra month and a half. But it was cool. Like, I kept pretty level expectations to the whole thing.

1:25:17I didn't know what was going to come of it. I didn't know if I was going to end up doing media or anything. It was something that I talked to my parents about, but it wasn't something that I really wanted to do, per se. I wasn't wanting to like get famous or anything from this. There are a couple things that I did want to do. And ultimately, that's why I decided to do media. But yeah, it was cool. It was all right. You have a very noble and selfless outlook. Have you always had that? No, no, I would say being paralyzed made me just rethink a lot of things in my life, a lot of my perspective. I mean, one thing about being paralyzed is there's especially being quadriplegic.

1:26:06You just have a lot of time to think. I thought through everything I'd ever done, all the mistakes I ever made, why I was, who I was, where I was. I realized a lot of things about myself. I realized, you know, that I wasn't the person who I thought I was. I always built myself up a certain way and then going back through all of my interactions with everyone, all the mistakes I made. I realized I'm painting a much prettier picture of myself in my head than who I actually was. Then a lot of the interactions I had with people, you know, actions speak louder than words. And if I was thinking I was this great person and then treating people like absolute, you know, dog crap basically, like then maybe I'm not as good of a guy as I thought I was.

1:26:54I realized that I wasn't as good of a son as I thought I was. I wasn't as good of a boyfriend as I thought I was. I wasn't as good of a friend. So I found the reasons why I was doing these things. I thought about it for probably a few years, just lying in my bed, staring at walls for, you know, eight, ten hours a day, just thinking. And eventually I came to this conclusion that partly through my like faith, my interactions with God, partly just because I wanted to be better. I wanted to be a better person. I realized that there were things that I could do to help. And this seemed like my best chance, honestly.

1:27:43Wow. That's a wild thing to happen to someone to have a radical shift in perspective that's forced upon you. Yeah. Yeah. I heard you say I was watching, I can't remember who I was watching you interview. Maybe it was the Tucker interview. Maybe it was the Terrence Howard interview because I just watched those once recently. And you were talking about people like people never having been through anything like extreme happened to them. And so, you know, they're never forced to think certain ways or they just, I don't know, they never grow in certain ways. That's paraphrasing, but it was along those lines.

1:28:34And I don't know, being a quadriplegic is I kind of make this joke, but it's easier than people think. I mean, I just get weighted on all the time. I get to lie in bed and watch TV and read books and people bring me food and bring me drinks and people do everything for me. I guess really not that bad. But obviously it was really, really hard like being paralyzed, getting all of the things that I love to do most taken for me. Like I was a really big athlete. I played like every sport under the sun. And then not being able to play sports anymore was one of the hardest things that I think I've ever had to go through.

1:29:15And there were a lot of other things, not having any privacy anymore. Like having to have everyone do everything for me. Like go to the bathroom, having to take a shower with people, having like my parents scrub me in the shower or having my mom like help me go to the bathroom. Like it's just, it's not easy. And it's not easy being a burden to everyone around you. And people always say like you're not a burden. Like we love you and we would do anything for you. But it like I am, I know I am. It's not something that someone's going to be able to convince me that I'm not. And I understand that they love me and they're willing to do it.

1:29:52But at the same time, like obviously there are things that if I could change I would and I can't. So I just have to try my best to do as much as I can for those around me. And this is part of what I can do. I've thought for years like what could I possibly do to help. And this is this is it. I think as much as I can, I want to do everything with Nureling to make things better for people in the future. That's a beautiful way of engaging with this man. It really is. And I think what happened to you is tragic, but your perspective is pretty fucking cool. It really is. It's beautiful to hear. And I mean, I wish all the best.

1:30:38I really hope that this becomes something that allows you to move again. And I mean, and that they keep improving upon it. And thank you for risking this. And thank you for being the first guy. Yeah. Yeah. No worries. People keep saying a lot of weird things about me. Like, you know, you're like an Apollo astronaut. I don't see myself that way. I know that people keep saying you're the first. You're like a pioneer. I don't see myself that way at all. I just think anyone in my position would have done it. I think that I guess it took a bit of bravery. I don't think I just, I don't see myself that way.

1:31:18I just think that I did it. So to show people, I did it because I knew that I could. I did it because I knew that I was capable of going through it. I did, you know, became quadriplegic and I made it out the other side. Like, I feel good about my life. I feel like I manage that pretty well. I'm a pretty chill guy. So I feel like I rolled with the punches pretty well. Not the same thing with Nurlink. And so like, I never thought of myself like trailblazing or anything. But it's just cool to be a part of. And I'm really happy that Nurlink chose me. And I'm looking forward to having some like cyborg buddies in the future.

1:32:00How long before you can link those things together? Yeah. I guess we'll find out when they get the next patient, like the next participant, like maybe a couple months and we'll be chatting with each other. I mean, I've been, you know, having telepathic communications with Pager, the monkey for a few months. No one knows about it, but we talk about that kind of stuff all the time. He's oddly obsessed with the new planet of the Apes movie, but couldn't tell you why. What kind of joke is that, man? You can't crack jokes like that with it. I don't know if you're telling the truth. You're talking to a monkey telepathically?

1:32:37No, you're joking. Yeah. So yeah, I can tell because you have human eyes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. If you have those, are you sure? I think you do. Okay. Or they're really good. Yeah. You know, if they could develop an eye, just like artificial intelligence can make images like pretty fucking close. Maybe they can make an eyeball that just really does kind of like talk to you a little bit. Makes you think. Just know when someone's bullshit and dude. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. There's no way I talk to Pager at all on a daily basis at least. Now I'm thinking you do. Now I'm going the other way with it.

1:33:12Yeah. It's exciting times. It's very interesting. Yeah. The ability that you have right now is limited to computer interfaces. Right. Yeah. What about other smart things? Can you interact with it? Like could you interact with other sort of electronics? Not really. It's all through the computer. Just because in order to even interact with the computer, it has to be uploaded with that app. And so that's why like putting it on a phone or something, you would just upload the app onto it. Any sort of other devices. There's ways to like connect to them. So like for me, even with the switch, it's through my computer still.

1:33:55But then you run like a cord from my computer through like a converter box and then into the. Into the switch. So it's all through the computer right now. I don't think it's going to be that way forever. I think it's going to be much easier to connect to other devices in the future. Especially if Nurling takes off like I think it will, then companies will start just uploading the software onto it, downloading software onto it. So that way you can connect to it. Like it's going to be one of those things where like it's Alexa compatible. It's Nurling compatible. Right. Right. That makes sense. Especially if there's widespread implementation of this and it turns out to be a real thing.

1:34:32It might be something that someone has to have like you have to have a wheelchair wrap, but certain businesses. Yeah. Yeah. When you test the phone, I'm sure he's just going to build all that into that. All the optimists robots are going to have it built in. Do you think he's going to make a Tesla phone? Yeah. He might. I think when he said that all they're they might ban Apple devices because they're going to use open AI. I was like, why is going on? Yeah. I get real nervous when someone way fucking smarter than me gets nervous. Yeah. Yeah. You know, when he's saying that if AI, but basically what he's saying is I think to paraphrase he's saying that Apple wasn't smart enough to create their own artificial intelligence, but they're smart enough to keep artificial intelligence from running rampant through their operating system.

1:35:13Like I don't think they are. Yeah. I don't. I don't trust it. I don't trust it. That's going to be in your head, bro. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're going to have to trust it. You know, if I had Scarlett Johansson's voice in my head all the time, I don't think I would mind. It would be dreamy. Yeah. It would be okay. It would be okay. She could dreamy voice. Well, listen, man, thank you very much for being here. Thanks for being you. And let's do this again sometime in the future. We can see what improvements and how it's going. Hey, man, absolutely. As we move this thing along, then I'm more than happy to come back.

1:35:50All right. Thank you very much. Oh, do you have social media or anything where people can find what you're up to? Yeah, I have an ex, like at Motted Quad. I think it's called I have like an Instagram and stuff. And I'm getting other stuff up and running. I'm going to start like streaming more and stuff. So it'll be it'll be out there. You got a stream. Yeah. Yeah. I did once. I did like kind of like a test stream about to do another test stream probably this week at some point, maybe the next few days. Then I'm going to stream from like video games and stuff. That's great, man. I think people would love to see that and love to hear you talk about your experiences.

1:36:20Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'll be cool. You've got a great perspective, man. You really do. Thank you. Thank you very much. It was a pleasure to meet you. Yeah. You too. All right. All the best. Thank you very much. Goodbye, everybody. All right.