#2178 - Sam Morril

28:38He had staff So many times that he was basically an antibiotics for a whole year and it ruined his stomach like his stomach is fucked What and what what he has the craziest stomach issues like some build up of Like fungus in there and he's always ready to throw up He has a hard time putting down food. He has to be laughing at this, but it's crazy It's just sucks Well also when you see the guy the guy looks like a Greek god Yeah, and you're like there's nothing wrong with that guy He's stomach is completely fucked and it's all started from Take you're not supposed to take antibiotics for a year But all these meatheads are doing jujitsu in this basement in New York City And everyone's getting staff infections and they don't want to stop training So they just keep taking antibiotics and keep training makes sense and then you know years later You're dealing with this stuff I got to know how the fuck any doctor Prescribed in that or if he just self prescribed He's like a famous athlete.

29:34I mean he probably I don't think he was that famous back then like wasn't as known back He's very known now But oh you need is one doctor to be a fan. Yeah, I had a doctor back in the day He was like, I love you on cone and I'm like, can I get muscle relax? He's like, sure I mean I wasn't I wasn't doing well, but he had seen me kill on TV So he's like this guy's cool. So I was just racking up pills That's hilarious. He's in the Philippines now. I think he's not even an American He's on the run. He's on the run. He's on the run. For a while dude. It was beautiful. A lot of guys go to the Philippines and come back with wives I'm older guys.

30:07Yeah, older guys go to the Philippines. They're pretty women. Yeah, pretty young super happy to not just be noodles Let's get out of this country. That's the pitch I would do you like some just a regular protein and yeah Well, when you find out what most of the world makes in terms of money You know the number like with the 1 % if you're in top 1 % of the world This episode is brought to you by zippercrooter the hiring process is stressful There are so many different things to consider and on top of it all you need to get it done quickly It's like when you're trying to find a decent contractor for a home renovation project or even a new primary care doctor You don't want just anyone you probably want a person who knows their shit and will take your concerns seriously but also Need to find them like yesterday if you're an employer struggling to find that perfect fit I've got one word for you zippercrooter they work fast to find you great talent try it for free at zippercrooter .com slash rogue and they're so fast Four out of five employers who post on zippercrooter find a quality candidate within the first day That might be why hiring site employers prefer zippercrooter the most based on g2 ratings They get the work done without wasting your time or money So relax and let zippercrooter speed up your hiring see for yourself Just go to zippercrooter .com slash rogan to try it right now for free That's the same price as a genuine smile from a stranger a picture perfect sunset or a cute dog running up to you and looking your hand Again, that's zippercrooter .com slash rogan zippercrooter the smartest way to hire This episode is brought to you by robinhood gold with robinhood gold You can now enjoy the VIP treatment receiving 3 % IRA match on retirement contributions The privileges of the very privilege are no longer exclusive with robinhood gold your annual IRA contributions are boosted by 3 % plus you also get 4 % APY on your cash in non -retirement accounts That's over 8x the national savings average The perks of the high net worth are now available for any net worth the new gold standard is here with robinhood gold to receive your 3 % boost on annual IRA contributions sign up at robinhood .com slash gold Investing involves risk rate subject to change 3 % match requires robinhood gold at five dollars a month for one year from first match Must keep funds in IRA for five years go to robinhood .com slash boost over 8x the national average saving account interest rate claim is based on data from the FDIC As of November 18th 2024 robinhood financial LLC member sIPC gold membership is offered by robinhood gold LLC Yeah, I don't know 34 ,000 dollars.

33:11Oh shit. Yeah If you make 34 ,000 American dollars you were in the top 1 % of earth crush in life So all these people to talk about the one presenters. Hey look at the mirror fuck face. It's all of us is literally all of us We're all ridiculous. We're talking about people in America. You know like this inequality of wealth What about the world? Yeah, what about the whole thing also depends on the state you live in though because oh, yeah 34 in some states ain't getting you far Oh, it's not getting you far and most yeah, and most states is not getting you far You know, I mean, it's certainly not getting you far in New York in LA, but yeah, just you know Just live in make 35 nice.

33:48Yeah, I did people aren't walking over here. Yeah for no reason You know, they're walking across that border. Yeah, because where they are is so bad. It's so bad. You can't imagine it. Yeah It's a good play. I love America. It's the best. I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan. I like even the cities I think I won't like like I I did a bit of my new special about springfield Missouri and all the feedback I was getting was like man, we're so nice you talked about our city without shitting on it And I was like yeah, I had a great time. I will have a great time in any city for a night or two Well, I think now in particular because of the internet there's more aware cool sort of Intune people everywhere.

34:27It used to be like back in the 80s when you would go do gigs on the road like You're in the middle of bum fuck Ohio like it could be a terrible gig Yeah, good tip. They don't know what the fuck you're talking about no references. Everybody's dumb and drunk It could be horrible, but somewhere in the 2000s that really changed. Yeah, you start to see what you go on the road Kind of go to anywhere and if they're finding about you online And then you know, they're finding out that your tickets are for sale online then they go there Like these people are tuned into the world. They just happen to live in Lexington, Kentucky.

34:59That's a great city It's great. I love great place dude. That's probably fun. I've had some good times there fucking Louisville the racetrack I want to go to the duck. Have you been to keenland in Lexington, Kentucky? No. Oh god. What's that? What's keenland? It's like their Horses racing thing you bet on the horses and everyone is so well dressed like searsucker suits That was my opening line in the city I said I was the only person there that didn't look like a villain in Django and chained They're all so well dressed with their mint julep and their drink and I was like I fucking love this Not to mention like The bourbon in that town is so fun.

35:34You just get You just get fucked up and and you feel good It's like a nice quality you go to like a random pub there and you look at the bourbon menu and you're like What the fuck does like a diner menu? You know, it's beautiful Yeah, I like Kentucky. Kentucky's great underrated place I've never been in the derby, but everybody tells me it's a trip. I read uh hunter Thompson's The Kentucky derby is a decadent and depraved. Do you ever rather? I have it fucking amazing. It's good great peace. Yeah, it's just talking about how fuck these rich monsters Are there like letting their hair down and getting crazy at this horse race derby with all their nutty hats and you know The women have to wear those bizarre hats, but it's a scene.

36:15It's a scene. Yeah, buddy. It goes every year He's like you gotta go. It's fucking incredible And so I'm gonna get dressed up. They do the whole thing. Yeah, I mean it's that's what I love It's like if it's new to me. I want to do it Formula you were saying formula. Yeah, I just started watching it a little bit And it's it's I mean it's here now, right? Yeah, it's you should come you should come to the weekend Really club when it's in October. Yeah, it's really fun. Yeah, if the weekends are booked already. I'll find out with booked Yeah, dude, it's amazing. It's so fun First of all, they're so fast when you're like sitting right next to track like Like holy shit, they're going 250 miles an hour dude I know I'd a friend who's driving me he's a very wealthy friend I have and he's he was driving me in a McLaren and he was like showing off in LA going fast and I was like what the fuck You trying to kill me is like dude we were going 50 But it feels like you're going like 150 in those things especially if someone knows how to drive.

37:08Oh, dude. He's good I mean, but those Those racers are fucking incredible. They lose like 20 pounds of match. Yeah, it's nuts. It's super physical Yeah, it's super physical and it's all about the reaction times I mean those guys the the G forces they're experiencing going around those turns like they have to like stiff neck They have to like stout neck just to handle the forces. I respect it a lot I it's one of the things I didn't really get to I watched that documentary center on that And then I was like wow this is like knowing the angles and knowing when to turn and just it's all Any sport if you're thinking you fucking lose right and there's a there's a A basketball analyst wall Frazier would always be like he's aiming his shot You know you can't be aiming your shot.

37:53You got to trust the muscle memory right right right right anytime you think in sports It's fucking over. I was just reading that agacy book. It's so good. I didn't realize how good my friend Matt Ruby was like you got to read the Agacy book It's hilarious. He's so fucking he's a good writer. I'm sure yet. Elp but like it's well written And he's just talking about like you know, he's so in his head and he's like mad He's playing someone like Pete Samper's who's like he's like I wish I was this this dull, you know Like this guy's like a brick wall. He doesn't feel shit Meanwhile agacies like going to see Broadway shows.

38:23He's like an emo guy's getting He's an interesting dude. He's like, you know, so angry like from his all these guys had abusive dads Right, you know, he's he's so rebellious and angry as dads force and I'm like tennis that he's at this like tennis compound They're forcing him to get better and he's crushing everybody because he's a prodigy But he's doing it in like mascara and a pink mohawk and hearing as like a fuck you It's so funny. I mean he's such an interesting guy I had no idea I just didn't I don't know tennis that well, but I I mean I respect the fuck at any Any sport that like you turn on you like this kind of great to watch.

38:58Oh, yeah tennis is an insanely difficult to do at a high level When you watch those guys moving and falling back and forth and all the different setups. Oh my god Angles and speed and like mind games because you're on an island man You're not you're not like it's not a team sport where you get like a high five everyone's right You're alone. That's why they're like cursing of themselves Like you see Mac and we're like breaking a rack and yeah, I fucking get that and you have to be an insane physical shape Because you can't get tired. Yeah, not go for the ball and the heat and the different chords and the clay and grass and look clay So weird.

39:32Oh, it's the weirdest. That's the weird core you're playing on clay It range or like so it's mud like what are we doing here? This is so fucking weird, but uh Yeah, no he's there's a story about him when he was nine and his dad is such a fucking grifter That is that is dad Jim Brown the football player sees him as a kid and he's just like looking for a game for money at this country club And he's like let's let's play someone and everyone says no and Agas he's dad's like he'll play you for money And it's like he's fucking nine you're you're pimping out your kid for money against the best running back Maybe ever and he's like no, I'm not gonna play a kid for money And he's like I'll bet my house that my kid will beat you and Jim Brown's like I don't need a house How much money you want to play for and his dad goes how about 10 grand?

40:14It's like their life savings He's putting this on his son who's nine years old and You know, then he sees Agas he hit the dad goes to get the money and he's like fuck this kid's kind of good And he goes how about I how about I just play you you know For fun and then we'll decide how much Agas he whoops his ass like six three six three and he goes up I'll play for 500 Agas he whoops his ass take somebody's nine Wow Against a fucking Hall of Fame athlete And his dad it's like his dad did I imagine like you're thinking about your family's mortgage and your siblings in their future And you're like if I lose were fucked Imagine doing that to a kid like of course.

40:50He's angry and broken. I yeah, I don't know any we talked about Tiger Woods before But I mean any athlete who like is that good? They probably had a fuck it's like a porn star You had a fucked up dad basically. Yeah, if you get pushed that hard I mean if you get pushed that hard to be the best of the best as a child that means you're missing everything else If you want to be the best of the best there's no way you're going to birthday parties Yeah, don't way you're sitting home and watching cartoons. Yeah, no You're going to training in the morning you getting coaching Weirdly good childhood Really and you're one of the best Also heavy meth user other than meth can erase all good parenting.

41:28Yeah, all good parenting go by the way side Some people are just some people are just I've got one of the best. I mean evil motherfuckers obviously, but uh, yeah, some people yeah It's weird when there's like a serial killer and he's just in it for like the love of the game You know what I mean because every once in a while they're like no he had a good childhood Like what was the story? Didn't take his inske have a good childhood? I think he did no no he didn't no he didn't Ted Kaczynski. He was like a nerd, but like I don't think no No, no, no, no, he had a bad thing happened to when he's a baby He was sick and then they took him away from his parents and he's brought to a hospital We had no physical contact for a month.

42:04Yeah for months and months It was a part of the documentary on Netflix about him It's his brother talks about it and then after that brother was a good guy though Yeah, his brother was a really good guy his brother turned him in yeah, so he Was Associate path from the time he was like he was getting no love at all as a baby from like months and months at a time I forget the the length of it whatever this illness But they basically kept him in a crib and when he cried that was it no one come comfort him No one picked him up, but that's what a lot of my sister did to a baby That's it never ever zero zero minutes and any day was anybody touching him for weeks and weeks and weeks and months and months and months on end And his brother said he came out fucked up from that then He's in Harvard.

42:46He's a genius and they put him through the LSD studies of Harvard and part of the right Yes, so which is also some CIA Yeah, I'm K ultra shit warm wood that shit. So they put him through this These LSD studies at Harvard and part of the studies were humiliation and Like to see how he responds to like severe humiliation So they just scientists like look at this fucking pussy. I don't remember what they did like how they did it But it was like coordinated organized humiliation and just psychological warfare to just to see what kind of response it has in this fragile now we know yeah, we know we know So then he goes to Berkeley becomes a professor and saves up his money just so he can live in the woods and kill everybody's making technology Yeah, what a fucking weird guy.

43:31He Molly has a point Like his point is terrific. Yeah, it's gonna destroy the human race And it's gonna eventually take over us and he was right. It's right. It's happening right now Right he could have gotten his message out in a different way probably maybe he's a little heavy -handed And his brooch It's some of the lighting I'm like this motherfucker was on to something or we he was Undenobly brilliant, but in the documentary His brother talks about like save like he has to grow on a date and the girl said no Like he would just like write the most evil vicious letters to her and harass her and he was a crazy person Before they LSD studies and then the LSD studies they just cracked him.

44:10Yeah Damn yeah, now I remember there was a story about him like he made like a little like he uses intellect he made some kind of Like firecracker to show off to a girl in high school and she was like freaked out by it I'm like holy shit. What a defining moment for a guy who becomes pure evil and uses explosives right to kill scientists Yeah, technology makers. Yeah, yeah Yeah, it's um So we are part of our our history. So his experiments that they did on people and I'd like to know how many of them turned out real bad Like how many of those people that were involved in the Harvard LSD studies went on to become psychopaths Like how many lives got ruined because of that.

44:48Well, who is the guy? It's Errol Morris made the documentary on Netflix about The guy who was in the L his I think was his dad. No, someone's dad was in the LSD studies and they absolutely threw him out of window Like he knew something he knew too much and they threw him out of fucking window. Yeah, 100 % they do that And it's like imagine you just grow up and you're like my dad was murdered by the CIA I mean it's pretty fucked up. It's very fucked up. You want cigar? You're not a big cigar guy. No, but I'll keep drinking with you All right, I'm just thinking about popping this cigar. You want to be rude?

45:20Fuck it if you have one I'll have one All right, let's go. What do you got here? Project MK ultra did CIA scientist Frank Olsen jump or was he pushed? Yeah, he's probably pushed I mean It's it's always one where it's like was there a note right? And even if there was a note they could have fudged that but the official verdict was suicide Oh, he fell from the window of his Manhattan hotel room in 1953 died on the sidewalk in his undershirt in shorts About 2 a .m. The official verdict was suicide, but a second autopsy raised questions although not proof of a possible homicide Olsen's family met many others have been searching for answers in a hall of mirrors Dude, I I a woman jumped at the window in front of me once splat like 10 feet in front of me in manhead I was I was going home.

46:03I was like six grade and I was on I was trying to get the bus And I'm with my friend. I stopped to take out my metro card and Right in front of me. She could have killed you. I mean if I didn't stop I'd be dead It's crazy to think about I didn't you're just so Your mind protects you. It's really fucked up when you when you experience something like that because I wasn't scared I was just kind of like oh shit um I was like oh shit this there's like a movie going on or someone shooting a movie You don't like accept it is real, you know So you thought it was a fake body. Yeah, but it got me out of a history test the next day I call I remember I called her friend.

46:43She looked like when she hit the ground face first didn't die instantly. That's the one thing I remember face first Good Yeah, she face first She was mumbling to herself that was the most fucked up thing is I think she hit the ground. Yeah It didn't kill her instantly. She she muttered something like I'm cold And my friend's mom saw it and she went into a store and got her a blanket Oh god, how far did she fall from doing? I don't know Probably like I would guess at least eight stories would be my guess but like maybe five. I don't know Well, not the end she didn't live, but she didn't die instantly.

47:24Oh God damn But I remember I called my friend's mom who was like a major narcissist after this and I I would just wanted to talk to someone because my parents weren't home And I was like trying to tell him and the mom just like picked up the phone and talked about herself for like 20 minutes straight No, and then she's like how was your day? I was like I just saw someone die and she's like all right Well, Ellie. It's not home right now Like that was it she's a weird fucking cold put that lady in the LSD studies See we can do it here That should be a punishment. Well, I think it shouldn't be yeah, I should talk and again about like this kid on the roof with Trump like That's the kind you find someone who's all fucked up from life and you know I do another whiskey to sure that's a A very specific kind of person You know, it's hard to make a real a total narcissist like your friend's mom who you just tell them about someone jumping off of a fucking roof in front of you and almost killing you and splattering in front of you They don't even care that doesn't know I think she just didn't know what to say.

48:25I don't think it was like malicious the way she's like oh, I'm sorry You know, I don't think she meant bad, but I think she just wasn't equipped to give me anything some people aren't equipped have real conversations I just talk his talk and talk at you. I know Yeah, but if you find someone who's really fucked up like if you were a part of a secret program You would probably kind of want to be going to visit schools to see if you could find someone who's on the edge Yeah recruit them You know get them especially if you're planning on killing them anyway Like this they knew that if this kid was gonna go on the roof and shoot the president They could talk him into going on the room.

49:02Let's assume not even this scenario Yeah, so it's not be crazy Let's just say if you wanted to set up a scenario We're gonna have someone assassinate the president you get some guy whose life is a fucking complete and total disaster You either hypnotize him or you mentor him you give him psychiatric drugs You do a bunch of things you get him to do it and you know that once he gets on top of that roof and shoots the president Everyone's gonna shoot him and it's nice and clean. They never let those guys live my question is oh ha - of course my question is Do you want him actually to kill Trump in this scenario?

49:36Yeah They definitely wanted him to do it. Yeah, there was also a way. Don't you think I find it a little irresponsible? This is gun. No, no, no, I was a little once you guys keep talking right interrupted But I can't find a picture of the gun. I'm so put off from people like you know lower in bober and shit or like being like Biden hired Biden hired him to To do this and you're like stop trying to pour gas in the fire. Yeah, like we know we were so fucking lucky He's not dead so lucky the country like I believe in the eye and I and I Part of being maybe an entertainer is like I get to see a unified crowd That's part of the beauty of being able to tour is a comic is like I get to see a room of people laughing together And I I always hate when comics are like going out of their way to divide a room Yeah, and I feel the same way I mean more so even about politicians who I'm like why are you trying?

50:31Why are you aiming for chaos? Like you really can kind of unite people if you give a good speech Of course you really can't like you can really can inspire people and unite people with the right words Yeah, and the right like the right real feeling behind it where really resonates with people and they go well, you know what? He's right. He's right. We should do it differently. We should We should relax a little get our should do which is really funny one after the assassination attempt Biden is like we have to put aside our differences like You know, she was Hitler. I know but also they they were the maker in a big deal that Biden called Trump and that he And he was like there's no place for this I'm like murder.

51:08Yeah Yeah, we shouldn't there should not be place for assassinating people. There also should be no place for you Using so much high -pap hyperbolic statements that you're saying that you're opponent if they win It's the death of democracy because they kept saying that over and over and he's gonna be addicted. Yeah, they'll do that He's gonna be a dictator. He's gonna be a tyrant. It's the death of democracy He's gonna put people in camps. It all started when we started comparing every politician to Hitler because it gave us nowhere to go Right, right. Every here's a problem like every cable news show They they thrive the way Politicians are trying to thrive now.

51:44It's like chaos. It's like you are poisoning Every audience member who watches this shit cable news is literally they're pouring poison down your throat and the way they're set up They kind of have to do that because otherwise they're not gonna survive that well they're ready They were when Trump was out of office they were dipping like a motherfucker a huge dip huge dip huge dip Because he was he was giving them content. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah the fear content. Yeah. Yeah, it's It's it's not a good time for it being informed. It's a very confusing time in terms like understanding exactly what's going on the world Yeah, it's real weird Yeah, it's just weird real weird, you know, you know, you don't know what the fuck is happening It's the official reports of things and there's so many different things that are popping off There's so much going on and Ukraine and in Israel and it's like yeah, what's going on in America and somebody just try to kill the president and like you see how that I I couldn't believe that shit I was I was like this can't be fucking when did the when did the world turn into the world wrestling Federation?

52:46Yeah, I was in it all of it. I was in Italy when it was going on with the the chocolate. Yeah, yeah Copeland on the roof you pointed a gun at the cop and the cop jumped off the roof You never see dad in like an eastward movie Yeah, the cop jumped back and got fucked this shit. Yeah, eight times. Yeah, really Uh, this to me also says his father reported missing layer with his rifle. Yeah, the father made a phone call Did he give him the right? So I know as a dad's gun. We don't do they know if it was a gift or if it was he borrowed it or stole it That says the son missing along with his rifle so that was just a survival No, it says well, it's hard to say what he's saying there because it could be saying the son was missing with his rifle But it could be saying the son was missing with the son's rifle So you would have says it crooks father reports his son missing along with his rifle Like that could either be interpreted as crooks father's rifle or the kid's rifle Right am I wrong?

53:44Yeah, yeah There were over a dozen firearms found in the crooks house. So there was a lot of guns in the house How would you like to have that be your fucking kid? Oh my god DNA to to identify him with what you can use a photo. I saw his face But no, they said that FBI used that DNA to figure it out Oh, and they're not sure it's them not giving date or any explanation on exactly how they did that And people are like how they ran a DNA test They might have used like DNA .com or ancestry .com or something like Oh, they definitely probably use those fucking things All those databases were all compromised.

54:17I shouldn't have done it. I shouldn't done too. I you did it to Did it why why'd we do it? Well, because I was just I'm gonna borrow convinced me to do it and I was like yeah, what I was hammered I was like yeah, I want to know how fucking Ashkenazi Jew like yeah, it's a shit. I know right like clearly I have some turkish in me with these eyebrows. I know what I am basically But she was like no, you need to know and she did it like on the spot in the bar She didn't word it for me and then I was like oh wow. I'm a fucking idiot Well, you gave away all your DNA to China and now they can make a bio weapon that specifically targets you That's a new thing that they can do now.

54:51How does that work? Well certain people have certain genetic like People are different right like there's certain people where certain genes Impact them differently like for instance the reason why some black people get sickle cell Anemia is because their family has a history their ancestors have a history of protection against malaria So because they've survived malaria somehow or another that gene Manifest itself in sickle cell anemia right and then like people from certain parts of the world Have genes that are more associated with alcoholism or have genes that are more associated with certainly like So if they could find like a particular vulnerability that you may have or that certainly Races may have even you can Create a bio weapon specifically and I this is all theoretical of course But specifically to target an individual person but don't they kind of already know if that's your tendency what you what race you are like I don't know.

55:52I mean, I think it's probably really like Some people think they're one thing and they find out they're not like they do they do a Woody Allen film festival in New York And just nuke it and I'm like fuck I walked right into that one I think but what for the biological thing. I think it's like There's very specific things like you're different than me and and I'm different the Jamie and there could be A certain biological weapon that only targets Jamie's DNA and they can use it on him So if you could find out whatever the fuck that is now because they're they're talking about this in terms of like the vulnerability of selling our entire DNA Database because apparently if you signed up for one of those it's either DNA Dot com or ancestry dot com or 23 me one of those sold their whole database Yeah, and I thought you get the alerts where they're like we found another family member for you.

56:48I'm good We're fucking we're tapped out here. I'm busy. Yeah, I got to change my number anyway. I'm gonna blend it family as is I've stepped sibling so I'm like let's let's cap it here. Yeah, let's that's enough of bringing strangers into your life But they tell you which funny is they tell you like Random shit on those sites where they're like you prefer salty to sweet and I'm like holy shit. That is true Yeah, yeah, yeah, but sometimes you feel like you're talking to a chick who just knows your astrological sign and I'm just dumb And I'm like yeah, I guess that I guess I am, but they're certain to say it's like cheerful the taste of cilantro Some people it tastes like soap.

57:19Do you like it or not? I like it. Yeah, yeah Some people don't like was this a potentially hypothetical, but this is what people inside the government have said Okay, that's what it is where you can actually take someone's DNA You know their medical profile and you could target a biological weapon that will kill that person or take them off the battlefield and make them inoperable You can't have a discussion about this without talking about the privacy and commercial data and the protection of commercial data because Expectations of privacy have degraded over the last 20 years People will rapidly spit into a cup and send it to 23 and me and get really interesting data about their background And guess what their DNA is now owned by a private company It can be sold off with very little intellectual property protection or privacy protection And we don't have legal and regulatory regimes that deal with that the data is actually going to be procured and collected by our adversaries For the development of these systems.

58:11That's what I'm talking about. Oh cool. We're all fucking stupid This is flat -out Alex Jones stuff I can get heard this five years ago like Alex relax. Yeah They're they're finding your own personal DNA and they're developing weapons specifically designed to target you I'll say for myself. They don't need to do much research. You could take me out pretty fucking easy I think it's just To know that they have them for everybody anybody that might be a bit of a fresh fuck. That's very creepy Even just like the Was it the Cambridge Analytica stuff just the stuff they have on you? You're like, yeah, this is like not good I don't like the tip of the iceberg Yeah, but then I also think of it in like terms of podcasts We're like if we log this many hours.

58:51We're not gonna get canceled because there's too much shit to pull from right So I look at the same way. I'm like if you have this much of everybody Right, maybe we're all okay. Well think about podcast if we've said awful shit We have said awful shit in these little clips, but we've also said not awful shit way more thousands and thousands of hours And we're comedians. Yeah, so people go yeah, but what it what was the whole conversation like? Why did Shane say that? Why did Joe say that? Why did they say that? Well, it's because you Why did Shane why did Shane call me a dirty Jew because the next beat the sixers that's why Suck it Shane.

59:29Sorry dude. Go nicks in the moment. It had to be okay But I think you know I saw him too. Let's go in in Nashville He is off. It's like a video game getting away from Shane because he you can't get away on scath I'm like dude. I'm so hungover. I done kill Tony the night before I was in Nashville. I'm like please I The big boss. Yeah, I'm just like trying to get away from him He's like you need one more drink to cover that hangover man. I'm good But then he talks between him and Joe Derosa. I'm like. This is like the two bosses. Yeah, I'm like show your 46 Fuck six stop being shots You're smoking Marble Reds and doing shots your 40 fucking sex.

1:00:07Yeah, and he's not a healthy 40 sex either No doing marathons When we're in here would do protect our park Shane's always the one with the beer bomb So I do it. It's time. It's time. You see that big fucking meaty hand reached across Palm with guys like Shane for me are like I still enjoy drinking and I like the buzz that builds gradually I don't like just getting super fucked up I like getting fucked up like over the course of the night. Yeah, but I like building to like I like the the build Yeah, and Shane drinks like a 19 year old He does but he drinks Bud lights, which is the calculated move you're gonna drink a lot That's the stand -hope move too for I know stand -hope because cocktails now Well for the longest time stand -hope drank light beer because I like a light beer because I could just started early Just keep a nice slow burn.

1:00:50Dude, you're pretty good impressions. That's okay. That's not bad If I talk to him from around him I can do him. I love him. I uh He was a I was such a fan of his I am a stallion, but I mean I remember there was like all the albums like something to take the edge off and shit Like oh my god that Bobby Barnett story Doug stand -hope like yeah, it's just it's just a I fucked the chick story Yeah, but it's not it's like got layers and there's Henry Philip playing the bass in the background. Yeah stand -hope is like and he's so cool. He's such a cool fucking guy. He really is that guy like that's not an act He is like Uh, a tell -o he says he's like the closest we have to Bill Hicks.

1:01:27Yeah, but he's a different thing You know, he's just he's his own thing, you know, it's like for sure He's his duck stand -hope, you know for sure he he He inspired a lot of stand -hope wannabe's oh dude the mics we all I so I'm a different generation to you in stand -up But like I remember the guys who are getting like when I was coming up the guys getting ripped off at the mics from Mitch headburg Dane Cook A little bit of burr a little there's some burr. I mean obviously a lot of it's hell. I mean I'm one of them Oh, it's fucking be honest like like we all know who we like I'm a manormon and I would like laugh talking about like He's like I'm like a normal donald Jerry Seinfeld thing and I was like I fucking was obsessed with danger field in the tell so it was like You know, uh, and then you see the handwritten notes we have in the green room.

1:02:11I love them Dude, I love the green room so cool. No, I love comedy history shit like that Those are from his wife his wife gave him to us. I talked to her on the phone I because I I was after Whitney's podcast where she was driving me to we're driving the same show And she's like do you want to talk that she knows I love Rodney? So she's like do you want to do you want to? Talk to Joan Dangerfield. I was like yes, so she calls me or she calls Joan Dangerfield and Joan picks up the phone and and she's I'm like, oh, I loved your husband so much I said like back to school is like my favorite movie ever and I love his stand -up his carousine appearances I'm like I'm obsessed with danger field and she's like you want to hear danger field joke no one's ever heard and I said yeah When he was going under for a big operation He was like fuck I might not make it and if I don't have my mind.

1:02:58I don't want to be I don't Want to be alive. He's all I have McComick and he comes out of it and the doctor goes did you call for anything up? And he goes yeah 500 last week to a whole He woke up with a fucking joke So cool. I love shit like I danger back to school to me is like the best Comfort watch ever because it's like it's only every character serves to set up his stand -up Yeah, his wife's like you're impossible. Oh, yeah, and you're easy, you know like it's all just perfect fucking jokes Yeah, that's your tall and fat. Yeah, well, you're short and ugly You remember the scene with uh This I think about the scene because it's been ripped off so much, but when they're getting it's like Bert Young is so funny in that movie too, but when they're getting drunk at the bar It's like young Robert Downey juniors like hilarious in a two and they're they're bringing them in pictures Bring us a picture of beer every seven minutes until someone passes out then bring us one every ten Who's scoring big in the NBA this season?

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1:06:40It was a good show. Yeah, I saw bond joe v there nice I was barely paying attention to bill Cosby goes Trump pick up this girl I was doing a lot chatting. I missed a lot of the comedy part But this before I decided I was gonna be a comedian So I only got good for you having to work to pick up a woman at a Cosby show Said a good example for the future. Yeah, but um, so I was backstage like there was like this back area and Rodney was back there And Rodney was wearing a Bathrobe hit nothing on his butt a bathrobe just naked in a bathrobe with slippers and he goes on stage like that That's how he'd go on stage He'd go on stage balls ass naked with a bathrobe on and slippers and Just murder so he went through this phase of his career towards the end where he would go on stage in a bathrobe And he's just balls naked with a bathrobe on It's so weird and he would be backstage hanging out with people his balls would be hanging out and you didn't even care Apparently, it is giant dick and these huge balls and they'd just be hanging out and Rodney would just be smoking joints and hanging out backstage with everybody.

1:07:47What's your 80 plus is that kind of adorable? 80 plus and super wealthy and famous and he's doing this enormous theater It's like this place where bond joe v does, you know in in Mansfield, Massachusetts. It's huge performing arts place He was the best man. I my mom got me a DVD set of his for my birthday when I was a kid and it was like I loved it It was like yeah, look see oh my god He would say that was he's kind of fucking sock over his dick and he's just got the serious face. It's perfect Oh, dude look at the back to school robe to it's Dude that the score for that movie too Danny elfman like So cheerful yeah, he on the DVD said is it's kind of sad There's a set when he's really old and he's he's in Vegas and they're not good the crowd is not good He's kind of struggling But there's a moment where he just is like fuck it and just rattles off like So many in a row so many great one liners and they start to pick up and they start giving the pause break And he just pauses he goes I know a lot of good fucking jokes It's such a triumphant moment.

1:08:48You're like 80 years old. He's just like fuck you. I'm a store. I'm still a pro I met him at the lap factory Like many many years later after I'd seen him when I was a you know security guard. I was a just Just moved to Hollywood like 94 and he was there and he was still doing like a little bit of stand -up and he showed up And I met him there with his wife. I don't know if it's the same wife He was always moving around But he was you know, it was interesting just to see him. It's just weird. Was he cool? Yeah, I was around roughly. Hey, what do you know? You know, it's like His club danger fields in the city they'd be like why are you always doing drugs?

1:09:25He's like what am I gonna do drugs at my club? Like fuck you. I'm doing drugs here but I mean that was I never really played danger fields. It was like a bad club by the time I came around It was a bad club when I played it. I loved it I always been a bad club. It was always a bad club It was it was a good club when he did the young comedian special from there when he did Rodney's young comedian special Those were great. I'm amazed dude. I remember the lineup. Dude. It's like Robert Shimmel Kill Higgs. Yeah, dude. Lenny Clark. Yeah, yeah Bill Higgs had a set on there that I was like this Fucking epic Robert Shimmel I still remember the joky open with because it's such a good fucking joke where he go He opens with this joke.

1:10:03He goes I heard a guy got arrested for animal necrophilia. How do you plead for that? I'm sorry I know I thought the cat was alive all is fucking it That's a to open with a fucking a dead cat joke and crush Now he was a beast. I love Robert Shimmel stuff. Yeah, Robert Shimmel was amazing. He was amazing Those old comedian special really got me in a comedy. Those were like really oh, yeah, man They were the way you found out about like Rick Dukeamon. That's what you found out about people Oh, he was hilarious. Yeah, he was an LA guy that for whatever reason it never made it You know, he put he was funny on the young comedian specials like man this guy's good I remember those lineups.

1:10:41They were just fucking beast like there wasn't it. They were all killers They were good comics and the fucking dice coming out with oh, yeah, yeah Bob Nelson with the football helmet on that shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Dom Arrera. Oh, I love him Jerry Seinfeld so many comics came out of those young comedian specials like Rodney was the gatekeeper He well, you know, he really cared about comedy and he really wanted like young comics. You're doing that dude Yeah, I will I learned a lot of it from him This is one of the reasons why like having his hand -ritting notes on the wall of the green room is it means a lot to me Because I kind of think about it the same way Like I know about so many comedians because Ronnie dangerfield was generous and he wanted people to know about great comics He didn't feel threatened by me wanted them to do well Dude, I still remember his intro for Bill Hicks on that special where he goes this next comic He's so far ahead of his time his parents haven't even met yet given up a billhicks I'm like dude you you found jokes in the intros.

1:11:34Yeah, that's how good he was It's accurate, but you but you're also like you created this place I'm like it much feel cool to see these young comics like Finding themselves. It's like fucking cool. Yeah, it is cool. It's real cool. I enjoy it. I mean It's selfish too. You build a good culture It is so similar to sports where like you see You can be a talented rookie, but he's on a team with no good vets And he ain't gonna be good because you need you need someone to guide you I was very fortunate that I had good comics looking out for me when I was a young comic and the culture in New York is also strong I mean like you know Colin Quinn and David tell when I was young were like very like Oh, this is how you be a comedian.

1:12:14Yeah, you you keep turning over new shit And you keep like I love I'm on the early shows a lot the comedy seller and it'll be I'm usually like following either Colin or Jim Norton And they're so prolific Like they're just always taking chances. They don't give a fuck and it you know They give a fuck, but they don't give a fucking the right way Whether like if this doesn't work. I'm gonna make it work and like They're doing like nitt gyms new shit is so interesting. It's so it's so good. I mean But it's all like veteran leadership and it all leads leads down the lake And then you we want to do that for the next generation like I want the I want I'm excited when I see funny young comics.

1:12:53Yeah Yeah, me too young comics of the seller like Maddie Wiener is a fucking killer like she's a young comic Who's you know the like Ethan Simmons Patterson Daniel Simons and they're like young fucking killers at the seller and you're like Oh fuck I used to be the guy who would go up and kill and now I'm like fuck I gotta turn over jokes And then they're gonna become like you know, it's it's all good for the culture, you know It is it's good for the culture and it's good for us It's good for you selfishly to be generous because Those people that are coming up the better they do the more it's gonna fuel you and you're gonna do better It's good for everybody and it's you write about like having like a culture of of top comedians He keeps everybody strong and that's the club.

1:13:35I mean like last night. We're hanging out with Ron white There's fucking Brian Oh, he's the best. He's such a nice guy. He was very nice. He made fun of me for being a next fan But other than that it was pretty cool that kid Ari Maddie from Estonia opened up. I talked him for a while. Yeah, we cheered for the fucking killer super smart Yeah, you know, and that he's one of these young hungry dogs that's coming up and there's a gang of them at that club And there's people moving there from all over the place like Tyler Fisher and all these other people Tony Cassilis. Yeah, type so he opened for me at hyena's the weekend I got banned there.

1:14:08That's what we met. Yeah, band. I've been banned from a couple clubs. I don't get it do my act That's what my agent goes. What did you do my jokes? No, they were starting the show like an hour late every night and it's like when you have a 10 30 show and you're starting to 11 30 I'm kind of like guys come on fucking turn it around and uh, then they were doing like blowjob shots on stage. They bring people in the crowd I'm like, dude, you're just fucking please just bring me on. I was like it's like I'm going on 12 30 every night He was doing the blowjob shots. This the club did that so they're like so they you've been trying to encourage people to drink Yeah, which I'm fine with I want I want to make money.

1:14:40I'm fucking I'll drink on stage and be like fuck and have a drink with me Right, I'll even do a show with a crowd sometimes. I don't give a shit But like you got a you got to stop delaying the show so much with nonsense Uh -huh And I and then I remember I made fun of the logo the hyena's logo just like fucking having fun with it and He came my room. He goes we're a fucking family business And I was like I made fun of a hyena. Well, what am I doing to your family? I don't know Who's a hyena in a tux and then like two weeks later someone sent me they changed the logo But I remember Tony was like he was like we had fun.

1:15:16We were laughing a lot. So how did they get you banned He I made fun of the club and shit on stage. I was like joking. I was like blowjob shots started And I was like I'm done joking around. I'm not being like harsh But like I'm fucking around and he was like he emailed my agent at the time And he was like if you don't drop Sam as a client I will never book one of your clients again and like you know, I wasn't a huge act and and uh he And he said uh And he said uh if you three clubs you own two so it's like I'm like oh So now you're putting me in a position where I'm an asshole So my agent called me like what did you do and I was like Not not them, you know fucking uh and then she was she was like not as supportive as she should have been to me She should have been like fuck you like he's doing his jokes, you know, but She was like this is what you do because I did I did something at the same thing at the Syracuse funny bone What happened with this how did it resolve it didn't I was just like I'm not gonna write him an apology I'll apologize if I do something wrong happily.

1:16:13I'm not like I don't have an ego in that way We're like if I fuck up I'll totally be like hey, I'm really sorry. Did they have anything specific that they were saying to your agent? I disrespected the club Like making fun of the haet aloe job shots dude. What do you fucking tell a disrespect to their friends? Respecting our sacred institution dude. It always egos when I like about your club is like I always find as a young comic you you don't get the love you deserve at your home club usually right because they see you as As like a door guy or like that's where you started, but I think you you do race people up there Which I don't think is normal.

1:16:48I really I think like New York comedy club in New York does that a little bit with a like kind of Develop young guys where I think is good, but I do think it's a right like comic strip is where I started dude They didn't really build I still have love for the club, but they didn't really build us up They kind of like took pleasure and keeping us down a little bit. Yeah, they would do like lottery shows to us They recorded me one fucking week They were like you want an audition for the main spots. You got to be on like an America's got talent type show And I'm like you're fuck by the way just auditioning for the late night back then.

1:17:16I remember I audition so you do a lot of it. It's like over a hundred comics Who so which sounds like nothing now, but in the day that day was like, you know And I remember I audition I draw six out of six so you're going on after the regular show It's like an eight o 'clock show the next show starts at 1030 same crowd and I draw six out of six I'm like fuck I'm going on like 11 they're gonna be tired. I hope these comics don't suck so they walk the crowd And the guy who goes on before me has a fucking nervous breakdown on stage So he I'm not making this up. He on stage. He goes he goes. I fuck I'm fucking bad at this.

1:17:51Oh my god I'm fucking bombing and I watch him walk 70 out of the 80 people for my audition And I'm like I got to go on for 10 people now. This is crazy And I just went on and like the owner walked up to me and he's like Yeah, I mean like the bar was low at that point He's like you didn't walk the last 10 good job, but he was like he didn't panic so like I'll give you I'll put you on for late night so that was like but then for the regular spots. They were like you got a They fuck they fuck with you my point is like your club like I feel like And some of the fucking with is good. It is good because it makes you like how how bad do you want this shit right?

1:18:26Yeah, but So I think to a certain point the hazing can be good But also like it's a new generation. You know, it's different. It's the hazing is probably good Because it weeds out the people that are gonna have the gumption to push forward and and get through bad sets and get through And I says tell comics all the time be nice to club owners Because you don't want to be one of them. I always always say that and then I want to become one of them But I always said that because like they're different than us. They like we need them That we're not gonna go do that. We're not gonna go open up a fucking club So you need these people so it's like there's an adversarial relationship Like you feel like they're fucking you on the money or they're not they're lying about it being sold out or whatever it is Where you're not getting what you deserve or but that's the beginning usually in the beginning Yeah, once you become undeniable then they have to pay you right but The thing is it's like there's a separation between the people that do it and the business And that's where all the friction comes from in my club There's no separation from the people that do it in the business because the people that do it own it And it's all of ours like the way I refer to it.

1:19:31I don't refer to it as my club I refer to it as our club. This is our club. That's cool. This club is set up for comedians It was never set up to make any money Yeah, the whole concept about it was I just want to make something where I don't lose money I just want to break even if I break even I'll be super happy. It's not a money making venture at all So the money structure. Yeah, so the money structure is different the comedians get most of the money and there's plenty of money for the bar And there's plenty of money for the wait staff. There's plenty of money for everybody It's just you can't be greedy and then most environments the club makes most of the money and the comedians don't Until a certain level yeah, and then they get the door like big comics big names where they sell out anywhere And it's like a good thing to have them at your club and clubs make a deal But they're still making money.

1:20:14They're just not making an insane amount of money But my point was the comedians do all of the fucking work if it wasn't we're selling the comedians We're not selling we're selling drinks to see the comedians But that's not I don't think that's the normal mindset like I can't tell often I be at a club and I hear the drinks shake And I'm like I'm here to move drinks. Yeah, you know, I mean you just it's it's that's the business park That's because the people that own that business aren't comedians But it's funny that that's the best way to make a business is to make a business where you just do it the best way to Express the art form like and then there's a lot of clubs too.

1:20:48I'm like I'm not I don't want to sound here like I'm like I'm I love clubs like Comedy works in Denver. Holidays and Cleveland like I fucking love them. I love great. I'm sure that Nick and Sam. Yeah Wise guys and Salt Lake is fucking beautiful. Oh, yeah, why is guys and Salt Lake is fucking crack me. Yeah, you know, there's a lot There's so many great club. I'm forgetting a million right now. I'm forgetting a million too But I love them and I'm they and I love comedy clubs. I really do love just the I'd I really don't really respect comics who don't Tour I don't like if you're not I can tell in your special if you didn't fucking Tour with it right I can tell if you like I did New York in LA and I was like here You got to take that shit to Chattanooga and Knoxville and fucking also when you're doing in New York in LA You're doing like 15 minutes sets.

1:21:31I know but you know, I mean like they do an hour there and there but like you got to just take it You got to sludge it through the mud. This is where he's always talking about like gaff again Or you know, all those like New York guys would be like you got a tour you got it. They really emphasize like Cut the fat dude. Yeah. Yeah. Cut the fat and then see how different people in different places react to it Because your act is gonna go over different San Francisco than it is in Florida. I know just is There's this but both are fucking great. Both are fucking great You know like Tampa for whatever reason has been in the size blitters, you know, they've always been fucking Really good, you know, I make up with hyenas never I'd be happy to I'd be happy to if you're listening hyenas The one is what I'm gonna be awesome.

1:22:13I don't know You probably just give me the right direction. Get rid of your stupid fucking hyena Get out of here. You're logo if you if someone can make fun of it and it hurts your feelings you go to dumb logo I don't give a shit either. I mean like it's like I know what am I gonna hold a grudge against hyenas I don't give a shit against that guy that wanted you to get dropped by your agent. I got to ruin your career pretty classless Pretty classless. That's such a shit move and I didn't have a lot of juice and like To be told like I fucked up. I'm like a little bum that she told me I kind of fucked up I'm like you know I didn't you know, I'm like I'm not a diva dude I like I'm one of your dudes who like happily do 45 weeks a year on the road.

1:22:52I'm like I'm out there I'm happy to do this Yeah, you're making money out me stupid Yeah, have my back not a ton at the time, but I was out there working. Yeah enough Well, it's kind of think like it's like a young athlete like if they keep going They're gonna eventually make it into the majors and they're gonna make money. I think of it in sports analogies like always That's just how I always because I love sports So I also sports is another thing like comedy like there's no guarantee you may make it you may not make it Yeah, it's hard instead of carrying an ACL. It's like drug problems drug problems girlfriend problems There's so many things that can go wrong with you mental health problems There's so many things can get wrong on the and also it's so not guarantee that you're gonna keep coming up with ideas Oh, dude I'm this is my six hour of jokes that I just burned and I'm like I'm fucking tired.

1:23:37I'm like my mind is tired Like I just don't feel like I have it. I never feel like I have it after this It's really hard to keep doing this, but it's a it's a constant process It's a privilege to deal with this challenge, but it is fucking like I'm like wow Don't feel funny most of the time you'll come up with it just like it always like Shane was saying that after his last Special now the stuff he's doing now is arguing the funny shit. I've ever seen from him. It's just how it always is I like my new shit, but it's I don't really like it. It's gonna take time. It's a little it's a five -year -old kid right now It's not a it's not a 25 year old man crashing through the front line It is a five year old kid trying to entertain a fucking room for the drunks.

1:24:11Yeah, ain't lasted long Well, it's just you have bambi legs your jokes have a little bambi legs Not moving that good yet. It's so true. It's it is It is cool though to like it's more fun to be in the creative mode Because like when I'm about to tape and I'm killing him like I'm a fucking hack Cuz you it's you know it works like this is shit. Yeah, it's how it's too easy Yeah, you're like this should work, but then when you're when you're struggling a little bit you're like this is fucking This is common. Yeah, this is the the went and then when you struggle and then you come up with a new punchline a new tagline Well, you know, I just added a new tag to one of my bits that makes me laugh And it's like it just came out of the blue like one night sitting in front of the computer I'm going over my material and like oh like this this is it and I to add that in then I added on stage the next day And then Tony's like when did that come from yeah like I wrote it last night when your friend knows is the best Yeah, yeah, no one will watch me the other night and he was like that fucking that and frankline.

1:25:10I was like the new line The new stuff. Yeah, new stuff is a golden gift in the cosmos New stuff's amazing. It's so weird when it hits you in the middle of the night too You just wake up in the middle of the night you're like you just like stumble over to a fucking phone voice memo fall right back asleep Yes, you got to do it. Oh always and it's 90 % of the time it's shit, but that for that 10 % you have to just do it There's been way too many times where I convinced myself that I would remember it and I didn't remember it I know the side -fold episode about that where he's like tried to write it down.

1:25:39He's like what the fuck is this? Yeah But yeah, it's it's so I mean it's funny for what it sitcom sign for was it would like tap in a real stand -up shit every once in a while Oh, yeah, I mean it started off with him doing a monologue. Yeah, remember that. That was the early days Yeah, he was doing a monologue at a club every time Yeah, he's the great bits in there. He's an interesting now hearing him talk about stuff now because he's kind of realizing where all this Woke shit is gone and he doesn't care now It's kind of beautiful to watch him be like like someone heckles him. He's like fuck you and you're like oh my god Yeah, Jerry versus heckler.

1:26:11This is entertaining. Well, they're all going after him with the Palestine stuff now So they're interrupting and he's funny. He always but he you know he's it was a great clip. Oh my god Stop giving Jews money. Yeah, but he also like but he also was like you know he's talking about something like It's just funny when a clean comic is getting heckled right because I'm like yeah, you were you were probably heckling A bit about like sponges or something Well, it just shows you like at this time in history Nothing is safe This time in history is so screwy That total complete compliance and adherence to every single letter of the doctrine is demanded and even then they'll move They'll move what it is they'll move the boundaries they'll move the the the goalposts and then what you were saying a month ago Is now problematic and now you have to adhere to a new thing Yeah, I also just think like it's it's annoying that we have to go that way because like Why can't we just all enjoy Jerry like it?

1:27:05I guess that's what I think like why can't we just all enjoy this like I kind of Even if you don't like even if you say something I don't like I'm like I try to separate the comic Uh from the whatever else, you know, I could still listen to Cosby That's interesting. Yeah, that one would be tough. I just have to fall asleep sometimes at night I actually don't really listen to Cosby, but I do think I can I do it with movies all the time like I don't I don't agree with like Roman Polanski or Woody Allen, but I fucking love movies and I and I think Woody Allen's made some of the best movies ever So yeah, he's made incredible movies and he was a great stand -up.

1:27:41I mean, you know uh, I can I can separate for the mode the Cosby's tough because what's it called himself? Yeah, it's tough Yeah, it's tough to separate right. Yeah, it's also just feels dishonest because it's the cleanest shit ever and it's like rape You know, and this one lady was saying he might be the most prolific serial raper in history. Yeah Like who knows how many people he did it to then don't come out about it. I know You know how many people don't know what happened It's also tough when the person who does a shit is so Holyer than that and so beloved But also just so much like you know, yeah, you need to do things this way.

1:28:15It's like those types of it's so that's a bad It's tough, but like you know, those are the type of people that are usually creeps. Yeah, it's like male feminists Yes, the biggest Fucking piece of shit. Yeah, because they're they're they're putting on an act that they hope you'll respond to if you're a woman You know true. That's what it is. They're just the most it's a bait and switch and it's the most Manipulative thing and one of the things you get from those guys the creepiest of them They will go after other men and they go after other men publicly. Oh number Jamie Kielstein went after me for a fucking rape joke in like 2013 I had a fucking rape joke that like I got torn to shreds for by these like fake, you know, feminist things I did I still remember the joke it was like I was I was fucking a black girl not great.

1:28:58Joe I started a black girl while I even sexually have dropped in the N word. She was like no And I pause and I was like you guys a word. I was gonna say the N word then everyone was like thank god rape joke So that was a joke that like that somehow that word is more offensive than me raping a person. Yeah So like the joke killed it would always kill and I had another one in the same set this woman saw me I said The whole set was right and no I said I said my girlfriend never mentioned where the condom because she's on the pill ambion Mother fun one right there were two quick silly jokes to me right But she wrote a hit piece on me tore me to shreds.

1:29:31It was like it went like fucking it got shared because I I shorted the Colin Quinn I was a young seller comic the time is like 2013 and I showed the column and he goes the most fucked up part is she omitted the punchline from your jokes Okay, so she is trying to just show that your piece of shit. She's not even showing the comedy here. Yeah, he's like so you have to write something so I wrote something uh And Then it got shared a ton like all these websites like Salange as about tore me to shreds I was it though like he's a nobody all this shit like just like cutting me down I was a no I was I had nothing going on and they wanted me to go on like Kumail Bell show at the time to like defend And I'm like my my manager the time was like I don't want your first TV credit to be defending a rape joke And I was like I agree So it didn't do shit But then like here's the fucking best part.

1:30:17So I had a trans joke in my in my Netflix special that was like pretty pro trans I was just like being a contrarian. I was like everyone's doing these like trans bad I'm like I'm gonna go the other way have fun with it went viral And all these people are like like this is how you fucking do it blah blah blah One person writes fuck him. He made a bad jokes in 2013 it's the person who fucking tried to cancel me in 2013 Who is now a man? So she she's now a guy so that's the joke. I didn't the special I go but you know that people can change yeah So that's what I say that's why call my new special you've changed for that But I'm like yeah, what is the so you can be a different person, but I can't grow as a fucking human right exactly It's fucking you forever is absurd.

1:31:05It's absurd and also guess what I am a different comic than I was In 2013 not in like a fucking I'm I'm better. I'm a better stand -up I take if I go there now. I hope it's a better joke. Yeah, but like how come there's only room for growth on your side It's fucking absurd absurd. Yeah, well, it's except whatever you fuck you choose to it's your body Do it? Yeah, fuck you on with your life, but but the idea that like you get to do whatever you want But then everyone else is like a target to you. Yeah is insane. It is insane But it just shows you the disingenuous approach of things and also the people that are involved in this sort of attacking people They're not enlightened for a lack of a better term not saying that I am But they're they're level of compassion Is not it's not for everybody.

1:31:49It's only for people that agree with them You're aggressive, but only you can progress exactly and it's also only people that only the only people that agree with you 100 % but then let's look into your own life. I guarantee you're a mess I know well, these are the people that went after Shane too you have to realize and and the fucked up way they went after Shane was that I'm a person they went after Shane so hard I remember I think with CNN had a thing they were like people who were canceled this year and it was Weinstein Cosby and Shane And I was like this is like a SAT question which one doesn't fit.

1:32:19Yeah, this is so fucking unfair so you know I Think that shit that shit is sailed. I think it's for the most part over and I think what like we're mostly laughing about it now Yeah, but you know, but now you see it with the tenacious D guy and now it's it's predominantly the left that goes after people But like now it's it's kind of this was the right whether like celebrating the the kind of ass thing when I'm like Hey, man, it's either all okay or none of it. It's the South Park guys either all okay or none's okay Yeah, the guy said something on stage because he's signaling to all his liberal followers and he's trying to be cool And he probably had no idea that that was gonna get out to the rest of the world He thought he was just saying it to his crowd And he didn't understand because he's like 60 years old You know, you see that guy's old as fuck.

1:33:02I didn't see it. It's like a super old triple -vax liberal And he you know, he said something and it was a stupid thing to say and then they had to cancel their whole fucking tour Well, I'm bummed that Jack black canceled on him Well, they all canceled me. Well, that's your friend though. I mean that's that bummed me out I think Jack black hilarious so that that We didn't throw his friend under the bus. He said he was blindsided by it and then he doesn't support hate speech. I just speech Yeah, I mean what is hate speech is my other thing? It's like either made a joke either you either say it's a joke or it is actual.

1:33:35It's either a joke or it's not a joke Is the definition of too soon Yeah, that's sure it was two days and the joke bombed. Yeah, right? I mean it was like oh Jesus. I don't like the I don't think do I think it's a good joke no, but also like why you calling for it? I don't like the calling for people's heads either. Yeah, I don't like it either I think they're just delaying their tour. He's just gonna take some time off one of the vacation No, I really think that's what the decision was I think the decision was to stop the tour and then come back. Yeah, maybe yeah, isn't that what they said Tourist cancelty has been dropped by his agent.

1:34:07Oh never much I was about to be like you know what summer is heart the tour but now he has everybody been dropped or just that one guy Just says Jack black hasn't been dropped. Yeah, you're a dumb fucking agent if you're dropping that one Yeah, we dropped Jack black like yo at first. I thought Jack black said it No, and I saw the clip. I was like oh no. I was watching tropic thunder the other day on TV. It's still funny It's amazing. It's really funny. It's the last free movie. They don't feel it really good. You can't do a movie like that It some day it'll come back around I asked Robert Downey Jr on the podcast I said do you think you can make tropic thunder today?

1:34:41He's like oh you could make it I Saw that he's awesome. He's great. Yeah. Yeah, that's a you know Ben still a Doesn't get enough credit for kind of just going for it with that shit. That was in that movie Yeah, went for it. So did Tom Cruise remember when Tom Cruise played that fat agent with the awesome I was like I know I know you want to do your own stunts and you're like a fucking of a death wish and it's badass and stuff But like I want to see Tom Cruise in a comedy. Yeah, well listen. I know Tom Cruise's alone But Tom Cruise because the fact is a loon can kind of do anything I mean he can like he played the vampire list at an interview with the vampire and all of Anne Rice's fans We're protesting like why people did not want Tom Cruise to play the stop But he's great.

1:35:27He's great But if you didn't know Tom Cruise at the time was top gun He was like fucking blockbuster boy and then all is gonna play this homosexual vampire Who's like this connected? Yeah, but it's It was too beloved to them to the people like if you ever read interview with the vampire no, I haven't fucking amazing Gay then he is a pool shark and he played a pool shark in the color of money. So who gives a shit? Yeah, the pool shark wasn't This episode is brought to you by eight sleep. Let's talk about a game changer in the world of sleep technology eight sleep and their revolutionary pod for ultra the pod is a high -tech mattress cover that easily adds to your existing bed and is clinically proven to improve sleep by up to one hour per night The pod regulates sleep cycles with precision and automatic temperature control for each side of the bed So you and your partner can have your ideal sleep temperature It also learns your sleep patterns and detect snoring Adjusting the bed's position to stop it plus it attracts sleep stages heart rate variability and respiratory rate without wearable devices So if you're ready to take your sleep and recovery to the next level head over to eight sleep dot com slash rogan and use the code rogan to get 350 dollars off your very own pod for ultra and you get 30 days to try it at home and return it if you don't like it I have it.

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1:37:31This is bullshit. That's not how you play guitar It's like seeing comedy in a movie punch. It's usually rough punch line with Sally Fields and Tom Hanks It's just yeah, it's fucking off with the lockers. They have lockers. Yeah, they have lockers. I love Tom Hanks But yeah, it's not fucking uh, yeah, it's not a comedy doesn't the only time I saw kind of work was When Sam Lou did it in the in the Judd Apertown movie where like it's it because Sam Lou does stand up though, right? He's a real comedy. Yeah. Yeah, you could do a movie with comedy in it like Lou He did with with Louie, you know, you know, he's such a good show I sent him an email like a year ago.

1:38:05It was like 2 a .m I just wrote him an email being like man, I miss shows like this and I missed the representation in New York and I and I love how like You make New York like disgusting and ugly, but also like kind of beautiful and a mess and and like Against you at all times like there's a scene in that show where he Uh, he misses though. You know the one talking about what the flight he misses the flight and the woman's just typing in He's like what happened to the flight she just keeps typing she goes uh It goes canceled. He's like why and she goes It crashed and he goes oh my god is anyone okay, and she's like keeps typing she goes Everyone's dead except one baby like that type of choice so absurd and silly But it got me so good because like we're get so angry when we miss a connect flight and then everyone's dead is such a good like that Was his mind and and he wrote like a long thing back just being like uh That was like a really cool time in my life and and uh Like how much You know we put into it on that show I think is like brilliant.

1:39:04You know, he edited that show in his MacBook and in the the music Yeah, and he ended that show on the 12 inch MacBook the little tiny one Mm -hmm, I'm like oh, why are you doing it on that? He goes I like doing it on this little thing Yeah, that show is I rewatched you recently and I was like amazed at how well it holds up like it's it's great Show it's a great show, and I remember when he did lucky Louis I like that too lucky was okay But I talked to him at the improv one night we're hanging out and it was like what would you do different? You know because it was like it had all fallen apart Yeah, because I would uh would fire all the writers because I didn't want to fire them He goes I just I would have fired everybody Well, he also was trying to do like a Jackie Gleason like sitcom -y type thing and his strength is being himself right So that's I still enjoyed it, but yeah, Louis like on another level.

1:39:49Yeah, well, Louis was him with freedom You know, it's like if you take a guy like that, and yeah, just just let him he's gonna do the best he can He's gonna do the best he can always yeah, just gotta let him do that and to get out of the way You're not going to give him good ideas. You're not gonna help. I know you're gonna tag once for a joke and it killed him Immediately and I was like that's a good comic right there. Oh, he's great. He's good at comedy. Yeah, I did King Kong joke You gave me a great tag once about King Kong's wife giving him shit and I had a joke where I said it's a joke that I did in the joke in the movie the Joker I say I did a million jokes for that movie and they there's a one they use but I said uh You know men and women look at sex definitely men look at it like women look at sex like uh like buying a car You're like can I see myself in this long term is it safe?

1:40:37Is it reliable? Could it kill me and I said men like it's like parking a car. We're like there's a spot There's another spot. Oh, I have to pay never mind And Louis goes you should add a handicap hope no one sees this I had a handicap line, but his hope no one sees us hit harder and I was like there we go It just worked hope no one sees this is so much more fucked up. Yeah, I had a handicap line But it worked but this one then killed and I was like he's good And I never I don't really normally take tags But when it's Louis you're kind of like let me try it and then it was too good to not tell too good.

1:41:12Yeah, yeah, you gotta take it. Yeah But it's like so fun when you've a joke and people think it's over and then there's you know there's one more line especially if you're doing like you know A tough crowd and they're like and then they're like all right they have to like give it up a little bit Yeah, yeah Yeah It's always great when you find those too when you got the beginning of a joke It's kind of doing okay in the early days of the joke you just start trotting it out You're fucking with it and working and you like god there's something there and then you find the next thing and boom You open up a new door now you have a whole new door that is attached to the premise that that's a bunch of new angles You can take yeah, it's fucking it's a it's a great thing.

1:41:52It's like you have a toy that you find it You like I didn't know it did that yeah, it's so cool Luis had his gonna take a year off and so he's basically taking I think a year and a half I think he took it into the game. Yeah, I mean, I saw him. It's almost a year right? Yeah, I saw him At the seller and he was uh He was trying some new stuff and it was funny and was recently. Yeah, he's always funny. Okay, so he's back Yeah, he saw I I hate when It would come like that's in the back of the room when I'm fucking around just trying to find so I'm like god damn it And I get up my go hey, Lily's like what's up, man?

1:42:22Yeah, god damn it. I was fucking around Yeah, I love that when people are doing that though. I know you're funny I'm not like if I see someone have a weird set where they're working on new shit I never think oh, Sam sucked now, you know like that would you'd be an idiot for thinking that Yeah, I guess we're always in our head a little bit, you know always at part of it Once you think you're not once you think you're awesome, you're fucking done I have set once where I switch the order of things On the spot for some strange reason I decided to try it this way and it worked great But I realized as I was into the set that I missed a giant part of one of the bits because I switched it around And it didn't fit anymore and I couldn't add it anywhere else and so I was in my head For it but I was still killing yeah, well, I was in my head and then after it was over I'm like I got a list of this must be fucked up But no it was the recording was great.

1:43:14Yeah, I was listening to my good. This was all like a self inflicted mind fuck because I knew that there was more to the bit but they didn't know there was more to the bit I know they just thought you knew there was more And that it's annoying though when you leave and it was more meat on the bone. I hate that. I mean Do it at happens a lot when you do you like well, let me try Somebody you try to flex you know, let me open with an abortion joke and see if I can dig out of this hole And it misses and you're like oh fuck now they hate me But I do it all the time like I have a new Hitler Chagos you know your club last night And I'm like let me open on this and they're like now you can't open on the Hitler joke You gotta earn it give him four minutes.

1:43:49Yeah, you gotta get them to trust the way you think about things So I love late night sets still even though they're like so weird I mean, but I like not even that many comics do many more when you watch an old one And you're like oh a guy had you had to open on this joke for a reason like there's this comic in New York Nick Griffin who's like he was like the master of the Letterman sets I thought his letterman's like 11 letterman's they're all flawless, you know And every opening joke was perfect he had a joke where he goes they say to live every day like it's your last so I've been crying a lot lately That's a great fucking joke or you know He goes I hate oh there's another one he opened with I always look at the opener some I'm fascinated by he goes I hate these celebrities lady Gaga, you know, oh the press the press is bothering me.

1:44:32Oh cool Vista's bothering me That's like per all right yourself deprecating out of the gate. It's a quick joke. I like the quick laugh. Yeah, yeah Vista's bothering me want to trade. It's like a great line. Yeah The construction of a great joke and and starting off with a great joke so important for opening acts I always tell that for guys in the road like if they've never done like a big theater before and they're coming with me I'm like this and go out there say hi to him don't rush don't rush into your first joke Yeah, but when you commit that first jokes got to be a banger Yeah, cuz they don't know you and it might not get the laughs you think it deserves cuz the audience isn't warmed up yet But you got to accept that but you got to start out with a banger Well, you know if they're not laughing hard at least like okay Okay, like they might not be laughing, but they might have a smile on their face.

1:45:21Yeah, you know, and then literally warming them up Yes, you're warming them up and that's why I appreciate comics who warm up crowds with jokes and not just like bullshit I have a respect for people that whatever way you warm up However you get them cool, but like I tore Gary Veter and it's just killer deadpan one liners They're all just like deadpan and I'm like this is he's low energy so they have to listen and for me that sets the table Where you know every joke is fucking killer dude? I have to piss where I'm gonna break Let's take a little break. We're back Yeah, Ron moved out here in like 2017 or 18.

1:45:55Yeah, I call I mean he was always at the store too Because he had he had a condo in Beverly Hills or excuse me he had a house in Beverly Hills wasn't a condo as a mansion and He just said I'm fucking moving to Texas because I love it here. I travel It's in the middle of country easy to take a flight anywhere people are nicer No traffic foods fucking great and that kind of put the seeds in my head That was like the first seeds in my head. I was like did you not like L .A. No no There's too many people I think you get around too many people. It's not good for your head I think too many people like that people become They become a problem rather than a resource You know, there's too many they get in the way they're in the way of things too clogged up And I think it creates anxiety when you're stuck in traffic all the time I think that's bad for you.

1:46:49I wanted to just also I didn't trust it I felt like it'd fall apart at any moment It was always like I was always waiting for the next earthquake or the next fire I was evacuated three times from my house from fires. Yeah last one Two houses in front of my house burnt to the ground right in front of my house. What the fuck? Yeah, the wildfires were crazy. Yeah, it's fucking scary right fucking scary when you see him coming You know, um, I came home from the comedy store and it was like one o 'clock in the morning and Me and my wife were looking out the window at the fire coming over the hill and We made an early call.

1:47:24We said look if we're wrong We come back the house is still here, but let's just get the fuck out of here now I'm like that's too close. They weren't evacuating yet. I'm like. Let's get out of here And so we got all of our shit and we got a hotel in Beverly Hills And then next you know it it swept through our neighborhood. That's fucking horrible. It burnt 40 I think 40 houses in my neighborhood Jesus Christ dude. It was crazy. That's awful. She's my neighborhood and then it then that's my neighbor in New York, July or what? I don't remember what it happened. I want to say I don't know. I mean LA's dry.

1:47:56It's dry. All it takes is a good wind and and fires But it happened three times three separate times we had to get evacuated. Yeah, it was weird man And when you see when you see it when you see the walls of flame that are from the left to the right Ever where you could see as flames you see houses going up It's spooky man. It's spooky like a horror movie Yeah, and then you realize like I talked to a fireman once. This is one of the reasons it freaked me out I'd uh one of the time when I'm wearing an LA fire department show shout out. Yeah fire department shirt. Um that's uh Fucking tough people man.

1:48:29Yeah, those those fucking people they don't get nearly the credit that they deserve So I was talking this guy and he was telling me he goes dude one day He goes it's just gonna be the right wind and fires gonna start in the right place And it's gonna burn through LA all the way to the ocean and it's not a fucking thing we can do about it I go really he goes yeah, we're just we just get lucky He goes we get lucky with the wind she goes but if the wind hits the wrong way It's just gonna burn straight through LA and there's not gonna be a thing we could do about it Because these fires are so big dude when they're talking about like thousands of acres that are burning simultaneously With like 40 mile an hour winds And the winds just blow in embers through the air and those embers are landing on roofs and those houses are going up And they're landing on bushes and those bushes are going up and everything's dry And once it happens it happens in a way where it's so spread out that there's nothing they can do There's nothing they can do you just have to evacuate or nothing nothing they can do.

1:49:24They just gotta get out of there Fucking weird dude one of the worst I ever bombed ever in my career And I wasn't that good at the time either so it was easy to make me bomb but I was uh I had done one of those NACA one of those college things is a bad and uh I got I did well at the thing And I got a bunch of gigs and so I was really funny at the NACA show I killed And so I got this gig and I was headlining and And JB smooth was opening and it was this weird gig in New Jersey and it was in the middle of nowhere And this is back way before navigation So you would get a piece of paper that would say take the 405 to this take a right here go down to that you know So you'd have to really follow the directions and it was complicated and I remember I left real early And I still it took a long time to get there and I finally found the place and I was there But JB smooth was not there and the show was supposed to start like 20 minutes And so I said uh what do you guys want to do And they said well we'll just wait for him don't worry about it everyone's just sitting in the hall Well like waiting for the show to start it's fine So they go okay great So I sat down and I started watching tv and there's a show on about the Malibu fires And it is the most fucking depressing thing I've ever seen in my life this guy who was a fireman His act I think his house was actually saved the guy that was crying But um He was just weeping because his whole life he had invested in saved money to make this house and built this house and His house survived But like his neighbor's house is fucked his other like it's so random which houses get burnt which house is dead And then there was this kid it was calling for his dog So his kids walking to his tree like rusty where are you rusty?

1:51:05The dog's dead is fuck you know like everything's dead It's like you're you're looking at the most insane wasteland of burnt homes and people weeping and crying and people Died in their cars it was horrible horrible shit and then they come in the room to look JB is not gonna be here in time So we're just gonna have you go up first and then if he gets here he'll go on after you I'm like okay Yeah, and so I went on stage like sad From the Malibu and I was not funny at all I couldn't muster. Yeah, I couldn't I remember this girl was dating the time she was there with me. She was what the fuck was that?

1:51:41I was like I watched the Malibu fire thing. I was fucking sad now. She's dry too. Yeah Ah, and then JB went up after me and murdered murdered. He's funny. He came in loose and like he was like I got lost And he was just killing some of you just got to not watch the news Never watched it, but that's what that that's the thing about this cable news. I got to watch it I'm just like why would I watch this I feel fucking horrible you feel horrible and it's not helping you and I mean You really like you got to be real careful about any input that gets in your mind before you go on stage Yeah, you shouldn't have a argument with your girlfriend You shouldn't call your friend that Osemane.

1:52:19Yeah, you shouldn't talk to your parents You know you have to be careful about what input like that's why I like the green room at the club You go in there the music's plan comics are in there Everybody's hanging. It's a good vibe like it feels good And then you go on stage with a smile on your face like we have to yeah, that's what it's supposed to be about no bad dude I Mean we've all done those benefits where they're like though to be like here. This is a benefit for uh, you know I did a benefit Reese. I didn't fucking think I don't I usually look what it's for so I know it's a good cause But I was like in a rush and I just showed up to a benefit You know like oh it all fucking.

1:52:53I'm killed. We fine like within 30 seconds I open on a joke drinking on muscle relaxers like silence and I'm like okay something's wrong here I whatever I keep powing through bombing my dick off the crowd's looking to me like who is this guy this guy sucks And I get off and the guy running is like what the fuck is wrong with you? And I go what do you mean he goes it's a benefit for a guy who died from drinking on muscle relaxers and I was like So I chose the wrong material and How about let me know that before I go on stage they spent something I didn't read it was my fault entirely It was completely my fault But I yeah, I was like oh shit, but I've done those days with a like Sometimes you do a benefit where you know what it's for and you bought over there like you know It's a you know a thing for a cancer benefit or like a holocaust thing and they show holocaust footage And you're like hey not a great warm -up back.

1:53:40Yeah listen. I'll just give you money. Yeah, you want to check I'll send you a check. I'm not performing But if it's walking distance I'll pretty much always do it just for the fun. Just cuz it's like it's easy to just walk it and do a set It's like I've done some that were good. I've done some benefits that were fun And they were good, but I've also done some that maybe go I don't never do one of these again Yeah, it's just not worth doing. I think comedy should only be in a comedy club Like when I hear about people doing corporate gigs. I'm like what are you doing and why do you do that? I know But it's not that are you gonna notice Like I do notice if you like if you have let's say you have $10 ,000 in your bank account Do you notice if you have 10 ,500 you don't wait?

1:54:19Who's getting paid 500 for one of those? I'm just saying so if you have my pro at most if you have 10 million in the bank right like some people I know that do these fucking things and you get tortured for $10 ,000 Like Tony just did when he got tortured for $10 ,000 because it was the worst thing I've ever done in my life I go why'd you do it? He was he offered me $10 ,000 and it was right down the street So I just did I go you're not gonna notice that $10 ,000 But you're gonna feel that bomb You're gonna feel like you might get a funny story too. I always think like I mean That's why I do morning TV things.

1:54:48I'm like it's gonna be bad, but it's gonna be funny bad I brought that up because that morning Joe one was amazing. Oh my god That was hilarious because you know what the funny part is like I wasn't even misbehaving on that one They just hated me and it was even funnier like He he set me up in a way where he was like He clearly hasn't watched my shit, which is fine. I know he hasn't but I clearly a producer's a phantom mind So they're like giving him lines from my special to cue me up They're cute me up for a gun Baby joke and I was like I'll get I'll tell the joke and I told it and he just looked at me like Yeah, and I'm like yeah, dude.

1:55:21Well, what do you want? Why sent you that stuff on him like that's the guy that was gaslighting us Like this is the best Biden ever and if you don't want it, you don't believe me f you Well, he you know the thing about a lot of those guys are is like as I said it's poison these cable shows But instead of being like Sometimes you'll follow a comic and they're like a hack but they know they're a hack and they're like I'm sorry I just have to go out and do and you're like oh yeah, right But he like goes on the acts like the all these guys they go on the act like they're like doing the Lord's work Edward armor or something and I'm like oh So you you're gonna do this and think you're like there's like this type of like liberal elitism where it's like Those those two types of like older liberals There's like the type that like is like a little hippie and is like oh man that was cool You did that shit and then there's types that look at you like Well, he wasn't a liberal He used to be a Republican.

1:56:09Yeah, and then you got an MSNBC. Yeah, you gotta go with the money. I changed his panties Yeah, but it was uh That was a weird segment, but I actually get I get off on that a little bit I kind of like when I know it's gonna be bad I think it's funny because I'm just like well, it's live. What do they I can just do whatever I want? Yeah It's funny to me when it goes horribly those are state -run propaganda shows. It's all they are They're bullshit news distribution and I'll happily go back I do enjoy it like I think it's I enjoyed it There's something I enjoyed watching him react and there it was a great joke.

1:56:46That's a good bit It's very good bit. Yeah, and watching him not respond to that very good bit I'm like you can't even admit that that's a good bit That's what bums me out a little bit is like they kind of like Just fucking smile come on. I know you're not admitting that I'm not saying school shootings are okay I'm just saying this joke works right it's just a joke Sometimes you can just smile at the at the fun of the jokes, but like I guess I think of those crowds and you think of those crowds are like not only do you think I'm I'm shit You think you're better than me and I feel it and that's a bummer Well that position of being that guy in the suit with the fucking makeup on in front of the camera Speaking the truth.

1:57:25That's an intoxicating power position. I guess. I don't know well I mean, I don't know but it must feel all right. It's an intoxicating power position for those people Yeah, they want to be that guy that is the the center of the new show Yeah, all the people are waiting for them to talk and there's all the cameraman and they're all pointed at him Make some super important. There's people behind the scenes with clipboards. They're all looking at him Yeah, those idiots like that It's funny because the producers were like quoting my bitch. They knew who I was and yeah, they're regular people Yeah, and they were really cool and they so I'm sure that you gave them that thing They were like talk about guns and babies and I was like you got it and uh, I mean fuck god but even out sharp thing kind of chuckled at least I was like I got something out of him even you know It's funny.

1:58:09Give me something out sharpness an old school grifter You know it's cool. Yeah, come on. I mean that guy's entire career started on a false rape accusation. Yeah. Yeah Get out there and do the real thing buddy. You just see what he looks like now He's lost like a bubble his weight He's like he's like super super thin. Oh there. I wow. I look well. What the fuck is wrong with me? Yeah, let's hear it It's a point in Sam. I'm not saying that But I'm very angry. Whatever I go I share well places and people are like it's really just just just like this is the end you gotta go watch porn It's way early.

1:58:43I'll show up because he said something about him. No, no, go to the beginning the beginning where he sets up the gun jokes the funny one Hey, they give me a nice plug that there's something I Genshin election and Sam joins us now Sam I just I gotta start with this quote because it's most relevant. It is it is oh no Not go to the past the election here. Yeah, this is whatever. This is just me making a Biden joke Whatever Trump Biden joke then yeah, the right there maybe parallel of guns and babies together But you do it masterfully explain it. Well both are easy to hate, but then you hold one And you're like I kind of get it, you know, we laughed at that.

1:59:20Yeah Yeah Could be a problem You know and both in a school soon Yeah Take it and not like that yeah exactly that's one that you can't like what he'd do what do you even say to that? Yeah, but you know he laughed a little bit I thought yeah, I wrote a little give me a hint it wasn't that bad, but Al Sharpton was laughing Yeah, cuz I told him I was like I bet you're a Sam or L fan just like playfully and he was like But I could be yeah, and then I was like I was like you know I brought up the thing about like Anne Frank oh no, and Justin Bieber went to Anne Frank's house and in the sign -in book wrote I think she would have been a believer.

2:00:04I'm like that's how I feel about you and me I said that to him didn't know did Justin Bieber really do that? Yeah, yeah, he got a lot of shit for that years ago Whoa, yeah, but come on. We were how entertainers we fucking get it. How old was he he was a baby was young yeah Yeah, the fuck is he supposed to do yeah, he just figured find out he's been shocking. He was in a shocking phase You know, I think it was like I meant I think he meant it in like good spirits I don't think he was like trying to be like fuck her. I think he was like trying to have fun with it, you know Yeah, but I said that to Al Sharpton.

2:00:34He was like yeah, he like went with it. I was like all right Well the thing is those places are not places for humor. There's no room for humor because they think they're saving the world It's like but the world stays and then you just annoyed everybody your entire career And you didn't save anything ever you never changed anybody's opinion he didn't you just want to shock the world on the on the show So I'm just like I'm like I'm I'll happily go in but I'm just shocked in there I'm like I'm I'm there just like a laughing in the green room like this is gonna be bad I know it's gonna be bad they need anything, but yeah I went on that already Melba won once and he just like would set me up for jokes and then look at me like So why is that funny and I'd be like are you fucking kidding me?

2:01:11Because it's a joke. I don't know clearly. It's not funny. I don't know, you know, but you're just a role in it with it Was a big thing difference gene being funny on a talk show in front of a person who's not ready to be laughing and then an audience That's why I played the producers usually I'm trying to get them laughing It's my cuz then if you hear left in the background Yeah, but if I'm just bombing for one dude. Yeah, it's fucking weird. Yeah, you want to play the camera guys Yeah, the normal people Camera guys and the grips I love doing that shit I And all my friends are like you're a psycho for going on morning shows because like they have a stop roast in Norman Like I'm not waking up at 7 a .m.

2:01:44To do this. I'm like I will happily you still do it of course if they'll have but you will have me The last one that had me was Insult Lake City, Utah and they were like they knew I do this so they were the guy came in the green room was like fucking with me I'm in the green room my friend Gary Veead I made him come with me because I'm like I can't do this. It's like a bank robbery I need an Uber waiting for me because I need to get right out right but the guy was fucking with me in the green room Like the anchor was like a handsome Mormon guy being like, oh you're gonna fuck with me And I looked at Gary like this guy's got like an edge.

2:02:13I was like I was like Yeah, I guess I don't know and he's like yeah, let's see if you fuck He was like kind of being a dick and I was like all right So then in my head. I'm like I'm gonna fuck with him So I went on there and it was like the week the diddy shit broke and I was like man How about that P. Diddy and he and he was just like well? We're not gonna talk about that and I was like well anyway P. Diddy I just kept doing it and he got pissed and his anchor the woman was cool as fuck She was laughing, but he just kept being like well, you're well, you'll never be invited back No, yeah, and I was like I the pretend I was upset that I was never gonna be back on a good morning Salt Lake I was like oh no and then and then but then of course after the segment I'm leaving and I'm trying to get out of there with Gary but all the crews like stopping me and they're like grabbing me They're like trying to take selfies because you're like we all hate him Like oh cool, that's hilarious, but yeah, it was a C.

2:03:00Segura when he used to do DJ dad. Yeah, I love it Yeah, I love it. I love it. It's fun. It's like you know what? It's such a fake type of TV that it's fun for us to go on and just be ourselves. Yeah, and it's I love that shit I love I still have a weird fondness for like the comfort of that and then fucking with it I don't know why but also sometimes I'll be like at home and I'll throw on good morning America and the I'm like this kind of funny How like I don't know they're like cooking something. It's peaceful. I don't know. It's weird to watch some of those shows Like I watch the view every now and then just because I don't know I've never seen one episode I've never seen it.

2:03:37Yeah, yeah, you gotta go for a walk after you see them Yeah, I see I know what would be Goldberg from the movie Eddie where she's the next coach That's how I choose to think of her Yeah, that shows never seen it. There's a bunch of those shows where you just like who are these people and how do they think this way? Yeah, but you need to know that those people exist and that there's a bubble and those people exist in a bubble And they all think they're right and they clap and there's no one disagrees with them. Yeah, well, that's I would happily go in the view man I would love to go I've heard of it.

2:04:08I think I'd make a nice low impression I'd love to clip a norm on the view. That's the clip I've seen. Yeah, norm was great Norm was really talking about Hillary Clinton killing people. It was pretty funny I just like disrupting like I think the disrupting is really funny. It's very funny. Yeah, Norm was the best at that He was yeah, I yeah, I wish I knew him I only met him twice and he was so nice the two times I met him But he was I met him on last comic standing where I got eliminated immediately I had a pretty good set, but then I had a feeling they weren't gonna move I watched two comics in front of me fucking bomb and move on by the way But I yeah, I remember Keenan ivory wands was like Yeah, you were funny on some jokes and not funny on others And I just like sarcastically responded well, I loved all your scary movie films and and I got a big pop and He goes I only did the first two.

2:04:53I'm like it was a joke. I don't know I'm fucking trying to survive here And then afterwards Norm saw me on the way to the bathroom and was like I like to you shit on him That was funny. Yeah, and that was like my one interaction with and then another time I met him at Caroline's where we were doing March Madness style Do you know what that was? It was like one on one you do like 60 second verse 60 seconds and I was in the finals I think I lost a dance soda in the championship, which is like I was happy to I love dance I was kind of like it's kind of fun. No even being the finals with Dan But Norm was hanging with us and he's like he said something he's like man.

2:05:23I hate this shit They it's like they take you out back and fucking the ass and we were just like yeah We like we didn't know he's talking about what like it's norm just fucking go with whatever he says He's a fucking legend, you know I Randomly sat next to him twice on airplanes. Wow. Yeah, we guys were buddies. Yeah, well we knew each other We knew each other from the clubs, but just randomly we happen to be in the same city the same town on the same plane And he sat next to me twice that's amazing. Yeah, it was amazing and so like for three hours me and Norm Just talking shit and having fun and one time one of my favorite stories was he was on he's like yeah Quit cigarettes and quit smoking say fucking cigarettes are terrible the terrible for you They kill you and so we talking about cigarettes and he we get off the plane and he immediately runs into one of the The shops and grabs back cigarettes and he's lighting it before he gets out the door out the door He's like I go I thought you quit cigarettes.

2:06:16I did but we're talking about it. I wanted one, you know Good now myself so funny. Oh, he was an animal legend Yeah, real legend and even the way he went out, you know, didn't even tell anybody just went to Canada Who the fuck would ever do that anymore like no one? No one everybody makes a big deal out of it They post on social media these tearful videos. I'm in stage four and you know Thank you for all your hopes and wishes and prayers and yeah, and Norm was like I'm just gonna ride off in the sunset Yeah, you so fucking funny and you know you see so many videos of him online now like anytime anything comes up There's always a norm joke and you've kind of forget that he's dead, you know, this is so funny It's weird that it's like given him I said like I'm kind of a weird way because I think It's really unfortunate some of these guys who are brilliant like they don't get their due until Obviously was huge and he was a weakened update guy did so much great stuff and movies and all that stuff But like not what he deserved now what he deserved I felt the same way about Greg Gerardo and about like Patrice I think a lot of those guys kind of didn't get the love they deserved yeah until I feel like if Patrice survived He would be the number one podcaster in the world That's what I feel like I feel like the only reason why I'm number one is because Patrice isn't alive because he was smart but also hilarious but also Did not give a fuck like did not give any fucks and Would tell people to their face the most ridiculous shit that happened to be true and You know and he was a master at it.

2:07:49He was so good at it on like on opian Anthony He was the best at calling people out on their bullshit. Yeah, and then having points him at his best was fucking But he did fuck around a lot I think like I hear about I hear stories of the seller all the time They're like God we wish he would like try Because he would just not try sometimes he just didn't give a shit Well, it's also that's a lot of the ways those guys would come up with material You know that's a good point like that was Damon Wayans thing I used to what Damon Wayans in my opinions. I still say this to this day the most underrated of all the greats I think Damon Wayans is one of the all -time greats Yeah, he kind of stopped doing it in the height of his if you ever seen this H.

2:08:27real special the last I get he's like murdering to the point of murder He was so good dude But I used to see him at the store all the time and he would go on stage for an hour and a half with no material I need with murder he films every set he has a Paper quarter in the back of the room like a camera that's filming every set and he archives them all So he has like every set he's ever done since like the 1990s Wow and I saw him just a few years back I want to say five six years ago at the improv same thing he was starting to stand up again had the camera out on stage fucking around and He that's how he would take a bit and then put words to it and Pump it up and change it, but he would come up with the initial premise out of nothing.

2:09:16Yeah, like there was no He he was Silence it's it's talking people who write on stage like that. It's to me kind of insane. It's insane. It's insane He I mean, I wonder if his film career made him kind of a must have put made him put stand up on hold of that because I'm in TV remember he had a TV series When you have a TV series for those guys especially that we're in the 90s that was the golden carrot That was the thing you get a sitcom and that's what everybody wanted so even if you don't really Necessarily think that's the best thing for you like you know You could make money doing stand up and travel and doing the road those guys get tired They don't want to do the road anymore and then the sitcom job is so easy You just show up and you're getting a hundred grand a week.

2:09:59Yeah, a hundred grand a week Just fucking they words Yeah, it's not that hard you know in his movies like he's a good actor. Yeah, he was funny at that I mean Yeah, I remember I did like the Letterman show on Netflix and he was like baffled by the by the fact that I put out a Free special he was like what he's like I don't understand like because he came up in the air in the 80s Where was like oh, I'm looking for a sitcom that was my whole thing so I was like oh no you like we make money touring now That's like how we do it yeah, and so he was like huh? He was like so intrigued by it. Yeah Well, I remember when I was on a sitcom and I heard someone was doing the improv in Irvine and they did the whole weekend They made 25 grand I was like what yeah, what you make 25 grand doing this because I was not at that level I wasn't selling any place out so I was never making that kind of money for a weekend But I was like that's what I make on a sitcom like it's the same money, but they're doing like stand up And I'm kind of they're on boss in this little velvet prison You know Eating craft service and I've got my own dressing room, but it's a little weird.

2:11:03It's not what I want yeah It's a fun thing to do. It's a great gig and in that gig was the perfect version of one of those gigs and you're good It's super talented people. Thank you funny funny fucking human beings great great crew. Everybody was great the cast in your show was so good amazing Super super fun. Phil Harman's one of the funniest dudes of a long time, I think brilliant day foley brilliant Andy Dick Larus. Yeah more a tyranny. I mean candy Alexander Vicki Lewis. It's like they were all amazing Stephen Root and St. actor so good career is so cool. He's so good. Yeah, he's like he's in everything I feel everything I turn something on him like oh dude This dude's got more range and like anybody and he was the only guy on the show that was playing a character Yeah, like he was playing Jimmy James like Andy dick was basically a steroid it up Andy dick It was like Andy dick on steroids, you know, I was kind of me.

2:11:49Yeah, I was like conspiracy theorists and you know All that stupid shit, but I love when they write that shit in yeah, well that show was really good at that They were also really good at letting people improvise like Dave Foley was like a secret producer of that show because he would rewrite entire scenes Wow like we would get the script and then we would do our we would do a run through right so the way I said calm works is You get a script you do a table read and then after you get the table read Tom Saronis who is the director and the cast we would all go okay Let's put it on its legs and so we would start the scene and then you know David a lot of times go Why is Andy coming in this way?

2:12:29Why don't we have Andy like hiding under his desk and Andy because we're not supposed to be talking about him Or he does not supposed to know we're talking about it and he pops up and like oh that's a great idea And then like instead of that how about he says this and like Dave, you know because he'd come from kids in the hall where they created all these insane sketches There yeah kids in the hall super underrated show super underrated show they were all so fucking good Amazing, yeah, and so Dave was so good at the song on Fargo. He's great in it. He's great in everything. He's a awesome actor So you have a nut is it total believer which is hilarious because when we were friends like he was always like why do you care about all this stuff Like why do you care?

2:13:04Like when we were on the sitcom together because I was always in the UFOs I'm all kinds of stupid shit and there is like what do you what the fuck are you interested in this for this is all nonsense And then something happened I forget what it was and then eventually he saw one and He had like a UFO experience and he's a full full on believer now Which is fun. It's fun for me. I'm like, oh now you like them. This is exciting life's long man Yeah, people change. Yeah, I've changed It's cool man. It's cool. You had that experience. You've had like a lot of lives in comedy I mean you to do the sitcom and then have your you know your game show and then you're you know You're doing stand up and you the podcast and it's like wow you can have a lot of lives in this shit The thing is I got super lucky for sure in a lot of these things But also everything I do is something I actually like doing yeah, which is which makes it real easy Makes it really easy to show up for something like today like I wasn't thinking I gotta talk to Sam It was like we're gonna fun.

2:14:06Yeah, let's go have fun. It's not palms. Yeah, it's it's uh It's all good. It's all good thing So if you could find a job that you actually enjoyed doing you'll probably excel at it and work hard to do it. Yeah, work hard and Do your best and next thing you know it's working But it's like all those things You know, especially like working for the UFC and doing stand up and podcasting. It's all things I like doing you you really You have seen like your number one sport by far right? See the only thing I really know yeah and boxing I the but not boxing not as much as UFC, but it's the only thing I really really know yeah Like I don't really know basketball.

2:14:44I don't really know football I kind of understand who's popular. I'm friends with Aaron Rogers. I don't fucking even know the rules. I hope they do Well, I'm I'm not a Jets fan. I'm a Giants fan, but like I want the jets to thrive like they does Jets fans deserve it they do and having him blow is it fucking a kill ease out. It was the most getting the season your jet shit That has ever happened the fact that I'm like Because here's the mode here's why I was so new your jets because they still won the fucking game somehow I'd be like you know, it's gonna be a bad season like now he I was pumped for the jets when they got him And I saw him at a next game and I was kind of like ooh Aaron like it's cool.

2:15:18He's in the building because great guy Have you ever met him? No, I never met him But I was kind of just like wow he's like I mean, I love football. So I love you know Um, I always admired him as a quarterback. I just thought he was great. He's a cool guy Yeah, I hung out with him in Vegas this last trip for the UFC He came to the fights and we all went out to dinner afterwards and he's just a fun guy to hang out with just genuinely cool Yeah, real real easy down to earth like friendly to everybody easy to talk to cool as shit You know, I wonder when he's gonna be a hundred percent because we went to my wife's big football fan and we went to see him uh well She likes a lot of teams, but it was she was happy for you know Aaron Rogers be on the jets She had met Aaron too.

2:16:03She had met Aaron when he was on the podcast too. And so um We went to see them play uh the Dallas Cowboys. So my first time ever seen an NFL game. It's fun It's amazing. Yeah, and in that stadium they have in Dallas the stadium is fucking insane. I've never been enormous television screens like yeah, there's no bad seed in the house It's fucking great and we were on the 50 yard line. It was fucking awesome But Aaron wasn't there because he had blown as it killed. He's out So I was like I'll go to game with you. We'll go to the game. We'll see my friend. I would love that yeah. I love uh I love I mean the whole time with going to games and it's in fucking jersey.

2:16:41It's like such a trek to get there Like I go to a nixer rangers game. It's 20 blocks from me like I'm in and out, you know Even a Yankees game like I love baseball still like I still love like I think baseball still like I know it's had a tough run for the last 20 years or so Then I'm get back on steroids. I would love it. Let those guys get giant and crush that ball Let's go. What's this shit? What kind of nonsense is this keeping baseball players from doing steroids? That was two of the biggest problems in baseball was one not letting p -roes in the Hall of Fame He's the best fucking hitter In what 50 years?

2:17:14I like that gamble. He also gambles on stealing basis. What's the next commercial? Fandall draft Kings and win bet you fucking hypocrite. Yes. Yes. I mean, I get it. You shouldn't gamble on your it's fucked up But also like let's let it go you have to set we've talked about this before yeah separate the fucking game from that Yeah bonds needs to be it bonds is the best hitter ever Bonds is the best fucking baseball player I've ever seen personally. I mean like he was on the sitcom. I was on very bond hardball Yeah, that was the first to show lived hardball with yeah with Bruce Greenwood. Yeah, yeah Yeah, first Greenwood and Mike star.

2:17:50Yeah, he was on it and there was before the steroids. He's like normal size berry bonds His head got fucking he got giant dude. We when you do so many steroids your head gets everything got big his neck got big It's shoulder got big probably gained a hundred pounds. He was fucking huge. It was cool And Mark McGuire same thing those guys got giants Sammy Sosa. How about gross? Was it watching Congress spend like 15 days on baseball the same year as hurricane Katrina Just because you want to shake hands with Raphael Polmero you fucking fanboys. Yeah, also like who cares if they do so right? It's like why is Congress involved in this one?

2:18:23It was international conflicts the crazy cuz they love baseball That's the thing I just read this Joe Demagio book and every fucking every politician is obsessed with Joe Demagio. Of course, I mean he's an American icon, but like they love baseball on another level I feel like it's such a historically American game like I am kind of obsessed with that era of baseball because it's like it was like This is I was reading a Lou Garibouk and it was like oh shit This was like an immigrants game, but it was like white immigrants That's all fucking American this shit was it was like they were like you're letting the Irish boy.

2:18:55There is Barry bonds and Bruce Greenwood Oh, yeah, he's good like him Man look at him. He's a different dude. Yeah, that was normal -sized athlete Barry bonds, but you know It was such a cool. I mean Babe the stories of Babe Ruth or like the coolest shit. I've ever heard like you can't like he was the dude He was like I'm gonna drink. I'm gonna eat like shit. I'm gonna gamble I'm gonna fuck a million women and I'm gonna be the best player in the game But not just the best point in the game the best player the game has ever seen at this point like by a mile He's hitting 60 homers a year batting like 370 and he's just living like a fucking animal And and he's like but then he had like this sweet side where like Lou Garibouk is like this kind of you know god bless him was like this square He was like really kind like he was like a mama's boy.

2:19:42He didn't go out in party. He was like very shy And babes like I's like the he's like one of the best players ever. I want to like get to know him He'd like eat at Lou Garibouk's mom's place. He's going through a divorce. He's fucking everyone It's like I'll think of home cook meal like it's kind of and whenever he'd have a great interview He'd like give him his props. He'd be like is anyone touching my record? No, except maybe this guy like he put him over He was like not just the best player and a fucking animal, but he was like class It's so and it was like I love that historical American shit like You know, but look at him.

2:20:13Oh dude. He's so cool. Look at like that dude look at him And he was fucking fast look at his face. That is a drinker's face boy. Oh, he put a bag. Oh shit Oh baseball in this era is kind of cool and then like you got like the Demagio like Demagio never was cool with mantle Which is fucked up because like he just looked at him as a waste He was like you're a drinker. You never reach your talent was mean to him till his death Till his death like was not cool to him. Wow Because he was so Demagio so pure Man, we're talking about the fucking Kennedy's earlier. Mm -hmm. Blames RFK for killing his fucking Maryland Probably did probably probably any any any blames You know the Sinatra for introducing her to the Kennedy's like all that fucking Italian shit He's like fucking traitor.

2:20:57Yeah, he loved Maryland apparently like left flowers on her grave to like the day she died But he left her he left her because she couldn't pro create What a talent needed air really yeah, she couldn't bro create. Yeah. Oh shit something wrong. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that one So he so he left her but he's like I mean he's like one of the most badass humans ever. I mean just like it's crazy These dudes lost their career because they had to serve in the war like isn't that just fucking insane? Ted Williams Decorated fighter pilot because in his prime Ted Williams has to go and he's like killing dudes in the war because he's like one of the best In the Air Force and meanwhile Demagio is doing like he's doing like exhibition games He still lost his prime because like we're at war and that's what you did back then But like Ted Williams had like 2010 vision so he's fucking Abused no shit not just the best hitter ever Ted Williams is also fucking murdering dudes.

2:21:48Wow That's crazy. Well that makes sense why Ted Williams is so angry all the time too You know because the stories were always they leave that out He was always angry me. Oh, you fucking had a good war everyone JD Challenger That's right. They're all fucking damaged from the war. That's right. Oh that whole generation Well, like they're the greatest generation. They're pretty fucked up. Yeah, I mean think about how many of our former presidents Yeah, you know, that's what you did. Yeah. Yeah, but George W or H. H. W. Yeah, he got shot down the other one was But Charlie right isn't it funny that we look at him now is like like I wish our president was like that me while back then he was like it's embarrassment I always said that once you start painting Shits gone off the rails well when it's over and you start painting You're just trying to get away the horrible memories of all the people that died unnecessarily because of your decisions I mean if you're George W and you're sitting around your ranch in Texas and no one's around you're sitting there seat Sip and sweet tea thinking about a million daddy racti's for some bullshit weapons of mass destruction That didn't even exist.

2:22:56Yeah Whoo, we didn't you didn't need to do that. No, he would be the saddest guy to do mushrooms with If you had to pick all the presidents to do mushrooms with he would be the saddest because he would just start crying Because he's got to be sensitive he makes all those great painting not great paintings. It makes all those paintings Yeah, you know, he's got to be sensitive. He's an artist. Yeah, he's trying to he's not an artist. Yeah, loosely We're using that term isn't out there shooting pigs out of a helicopter He's you know doing like sensitive shit. So you know he's thinking See he's probably thinking like what did I do?

2:23:28What did I let that fucking dick chaining monster talk about to? Yeah two terms two terms two terms and now we look back you know That was a sensible president You know what even look at those clips of Obama and Mitt Romney debating you're like man That was like 12 years ago, and it was so civil. I'm not just civil like super friendly They weren't shitting on each other at all. They're cordial They were just trying to debate the merits of their approach to the world McCain was the same way when he wasn't that long I remember that clip where that woman was like he's a Muslim and McCain's like no He's you know, he's like trying to like yeah, it's like that's dead that moment is over.

2:24:07It doesn't have to be I wish I think it'll come back at some point. I think there's a level there's there's a limit to this shit And it's gonna have to swing back the civility at some point. Yeah, I think so too I hope so I hope people realize the damage it's doing to us and there's not helping anybody But the problem is social media the problem is it's like Social media and people's ability to constantly be rate other people and constantly engage in these squabbles online and try to Get people and post bad things. Yeah, it's just don't keep on someone's killing I remember when I forgot her name, but you don't know she is there's a hewlett packer the woman who was running for president You know, I'm talking about right She was she was running in it was 2016 for the Republican primary and at the debate like she basically said that Trump called her ugly And it was like this big like we need a president who doesn't like speak like this Narrow Carl Carly Furena that's what was and I thought there was like this big moment I'm like yeah, you shouldn't talk to women like that That's pretty fucked up and then Trump immediately like got everyone but I was like once he destroyed Jeb Bush It was like yeah, the sound bites are working.

2:25:13So why are you gonna stop doing this like well That's also his entire career was you're fired. Yeah, his entire show business career was you fired Like he was like the heart get out of here. You're a loser. Yeah fat. You're ugly You're a crook. It's very New York. It's like kind of like a trashy New York guy where you're like you fucking nobody like that's how you know Well, it's politics is basically show business and he was a professional showbiz guy So he was way better at show business because politics is basically a popularity contest That was the first guy that was an actual popular person that entered into the popularity contest and actually knew how to manipulate the media And by saying ridiculous shit all the time whether or not it was on purpose or not That's what got all these news organizations to start following him and that just made him more popular They thought they were exposing him like look what he said about the Mexicans but nobody cared Like this guy's wild.

2:26:07This is so much better than what we're used to it's The problem is other people were just not used to TV right so they're just sticking to a script and when he goes off script He was more comfortable. Yeah, and he saw how it was like a fucking boxy match It was just like what the fuck's he doing also he's like a comic like when Who was it that asked him the question?

2:26:31Who was it Megan Kelly? Was it Megan Kelly that asked him the question yeah it was Um at the debates you said horrible things about women you've called them fat You called the big shows only Rosio Donald the punchline got a big pop it crushes. Yeah, it crushes And you see her just like oh my god like What did I set him up? I lobbed one his way. He just knocked it into the parking lot over the fucking over the plate He just crushed it. Hey, that's his his thing is so different Women you don't like fat pigs She thought she thought she had him here and disgusting animals Your Twitter account only Rosie O'Donnell No, it wasn't he smiled and he was proud of that one.

2:27:15They don't clap it in cheering Your Twitter account Come on you got a whole Well, what do you what do you expect her to do here? Thank you for the record hold the laugh Well beyond Rosie O'Donnell. Yes, I'm sure I mean Jesus Christ Yes, I'm sure it was is amazing. Well the guy's a character in a movie. Yeah, you know I hope it's not a Stephen King movie But you know remember the Stephen King movie about the guy who like he shakes hands with the guy that's dead sounds Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Martin Martin she was in that. Yeah, that's a great movie. It's great movie Chris walkin Yes, yeah, that ending that fucking Oh, yeah, yeah, it's made some good fucking shit.

2:28:00Oh my god. Get him back on coke Get him back on coke give him Budweiser and a wide range of shit Like you tell me you just got to that Shawshank in misery. Yeah, stand by me stand by me. He's great I just watched the other day with the table. It was amazing that last line Fucked me it always fucks me up when he's like none of us had friends like when we were 12 I'm like fuck you Richard Dreyfus. Yeah, this is the thing he holds his hand and he realizes Yeah, they did a great ethanol power to this. Yeah, he's gonna be this guy's gonna be Hitler He's gonna be the one who kills us all yeah Press in the button.

2:28:32Yeah, that's a that's a good movie man Yeah, that's scary as well Well, that's what they're always trying to scare us about with Trump That he's gonna do that and start world war three and kill us all but the problem is This administration looks like they're on the verge of starting us into world war three and when Trump was in office That didn't happen and here's the thing that they need to address Everybody keeps saying he's gonna be a dictator. He's gonna do that That would be more Celebull if we didn't have four years of him actually being the president and doing none of those things Right, I mean the thing is you hindsight's everything right like you look back like people said the same thing about like everyone hated Eisenhower, but then you look back and you're like these weren't bad times, you know So with Trump I would anyway look we all want to avoid world war three.

2:29:15That's I think I would hope at all cost Part of me is like maybe Trump is such a fucking narcissist that he doesn't want the world to end Yeah, because he wants to do well while he's in charge. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Maybe I don't know for whatever motivation Whatever fucking takes you to keep us from killing each other. He does terrifying me I don't fucking feel like safe with him as a president. Do you feel safe with Biden as a president? No, of course not The countries and shambles things are fucking bad I don't feel safe with anybody as president But I just I don't buy their narrative when you find out that like they lied about rush a gate for fucking six years and like That was the beginning of the end That was like when you when you're when that's your whole like the steel dossier is your whole thing.

2:29:57Yeah, that was really the Undoing of a lot of cable news I think they thought they could get away with it because they have gotten away with it before Which makes you think how many of the stories other than the ones we know about like the weapons of mass destruction and all the How many of the stories were bullshit? Yeah How many of the stories that ruined the lives of countless millions of people how many of those stories were bullshit? You can't go all in on a bad hand and they did it again and again and again and You got to make sure you have a fucking royal flush. Well, dude They did it with me with the covid thing with the other neck than thing They did it with you with a lot of things they did but but the covid one was crazy because they were all coordinated calling it horse D -warmer right every news organization was calling it horse D -warmer and trying to mock me like Hey guys, I can talk too like are you fucking stupid?

2:30:43Yeah, but they but their whole game up until social media and up until podcasts Was they were the only ones talking so they could set a narrative and no one could do anything about it They could decide that you're a this or you're a that and then they pushed that out there and that was the end of it Then you got labeled as this or that but with podcasts podcasts got bigger than them and they haven't realized it yet By a lot. I mean that's the thing is you know I saw your thing with Sanjay Gupta and and he seemed apologetic, you know, but sort of sort of Totally left really. Yeah, he left you and went and talked to Don Leman and Don Leman was still saying the same What it is used for horses?

2:31:20It is a D -warmer for he's my name. I see him towing. I saw I saw him drunk on the street the other day Friendly as guy. I mean, I he's he goes. I just saw Mark Norman at the beacon. I was like, man You know he was talking to you. Yeah, he said what's up to me on this street? Oh, that's hilarious Yeah, and he goes I just saw Mark Norman at the beacon with great shows like well I'm sure he's probably okay. Yeah, you know, he just seem like a nice guy You're stuck in a bad situation a bad position that corrupts everyone It's bad for everybody everyone on that network was terrible. We need we're all propagandists It's weird to think about how fortunate the generations were when like news wasn't constant You got a break right Colin Quinn's got a great bit bit now like you go to the bathroom and you're like what did I miss right?

2:32:00I mean, but that's fucking bad for the world like yeah, I I miss you know Even back in the day like it was on twice a day, you know, right? It was over You got like Simpson's reruns and you're like yeah, it's peaceful Have you really wanted to go crazy and read the New York Times and you get all the news? Yeah, if you really want But who did that very few people did that yeah, but most people that you know weren't terrified of everything We're reading everything is going on and fucking Sudan and what's going on in Asia? What's going on here and there and Now it's like we're being inundated by all of the bad news because the bad news is stuff that really gets people captivated So it's all the bad news of the entire world and none of the good news It's like the most distorted version of reality ever I know and then you go out and you talk to people and you're like are we that divide like I think that's kind of what I feel like just touring the country I feel The interactions I have with people are good and and solid But we also have to remember those are comedy fans, which are the people that are going to be the most reasonable The people that's looking looking for the humor and things you know not saying there's a trans genocide They're not going to come to your show The trans genocide people are not going to come to your show So it's the people that are they're you know kind of realizing like we need humor Humors it's an important part of civilization, but I don't even mean just comedy like you interact with people like restaurants or like who Or like whoever you see on the street like I you know yeah for the most part I had like two fights on the road like arguments and like It's fucking quick you it's usually like you know over bullshit Uh -huh we Gary Veter and I are like very uh We're both New Yorkers so it's like we can't help but do a confrontation.

2:33:36There was a woman being berated at my fucking Get we're at the gate a morning flight at Columbus and a woman was just yelling at a fucking TSA And who was just doing her jobs. She had nothing wrong. She was just but it was a woman with two kids with her and she goes You're an idiot wow. You're so dumb and we're just looking at each other like it's 8 a .m. We're barely awake But it's pretty like fucked up right and we're like yeah, it's like really mean and she's just going you're so dumb I hope I'm gonna get you fired and then finally which is like hey, I just go lady enough and Gary goes you're in nobody Like that's how he's like a New York kid wow and she turns where she goes fuck you.

2:34:08You're short to Gary And he goes you should see me without my shirt on I was like we had her What are you doing? Why do you say you see me? We worked out. Oh, that's hilarious, but I'm like dude. We were fuck we're comics. We could kill this woman. What the fuck are you doing? Should've taken a shirt off She's got down his underwear, but but probably arrested for terms, but that was like the one but we felt for it We were laughing at the woman was like thank you, but I'm like, well, I'm like 10 month When do we ever fight with people on the look at the occasionally we do that shit But like most people are so cool.

2:34:37Yeah, most people are like good be and then like how often do I miss like small towns like like you'll go to like Appleton and like they don't talk politics. They're like living in like 1994 and they like it's like rude to talk politics You know and you're like we keep that to yourself and I'm like man I almost miss that point in time when it was like you just led with other shit That wasn't your whole like sure we make fun of people sometimes who like these were my pronouns But isn't it equally kind of annoying with people who lead with their political affiliation? Just as bad. Yeah, I would say worse or their diet or their exercise routine or yoga or anything or anything Like some people they're just always trying to find themselves to you.

2:35:16Yeah, they always wanted to find themselves in a very a nice way So you're just one thing. Yeah, that's all you are So I look like I do kind of miss those types of people who are like hey, let's bond over something else other than the world ending Yeah, but you know when people don't have any legitimate conflict in their life they manufacture conflict and they have to trauma bond with you God yeah, I have PTSD from last four years when Trump was in office. I can't do this again You have that's all you can't even kill people by the way I know exactly not to mention like though like I'm moving to Canada and I'm like You think Canada you think Canada just wants all of our fucking winers Yeah, listen not only that but Canada has like ridiculous free speech laws They have hate speech laws they can come down on you for a lot of things They seized up the bank accounts of people that were protesting the truckers Oh, that was those are the truckers the people that were donating to the truckers.

2:36:09They seized their bank accounts like yeah That's not a good place. Yeah, it's not a good place under this administration at least yeah, where do you go? They went sideways Canada was amazing place 10 years ago you go to Canada 10 years ago was awesome I was always saying that I love Canada. It's like 20 % less douchebags. What do you where do you like in Canada? I love Montreal Montreal amazing beautiful. I love Toronto. I love Vancouver. I love Canada Vancouver's one of the most beautiful city I don't go to Canada anymore, but I ever know you want to do a gig that not one of that guy's president fuck you Yeah, but whatever it is prime minister fans you as they want to see you still you get rid of that guy.

2:36:43I'll come back I just don't trust any of it up there. Yeah, I just think they're they're so far into tyranny right now Like the laws that they're passing the shit that they're doing their the erosion of people's rights like I don't want to support it I think it's fucking horrible. Yeah, but I think a lot of people there just want to laugh. I think people need a laugh Oh, yeah, they definitely need a laugh. They're in the middle of a full -blown communist takeover Yeah, it's a scary spot. Yeah, it's scary But it used to be amazing. I used to say that Canada's 20 % less douchebags like the people are 20 % nicer than most people that you meet in America They're polite.

2:37:20That's why they get roped into all this shit That's why they get roped into hate speech laws because they want to be kind They want to be good people and they don't realize like compelled speech has a terrible ending It always ends in communism because someone has to compel that speech who does the people with guns and they tell you what to do Yeah, and then you have violence that is Enforced to get people to follow a doctrine that they may or may not believe in. Yeah, I think you just got to You just got to be pro free speech. I mean for all the awful shit people can say you still just have to be pro free speech That's Elon's take on it, you know, and that's what what they do with Twitter Well, the weird thing about Twitter now is like For all the shit people will say about Elon I think like Look at the other social media platforms everything.

2:38:03It's anything. There's like trigger words They'll be like you said the word Nazi. I'm like yeah, I condemn them in a joke and they're like well It got Barry because you said and you're like cool. That feels like some Nazi shit. Yeah, I can't I can't use irony I can't be sarcastic. That's the that's the evil of like I think when they buried you are It's it's a different type of censorship, but you are you know You are burying certain trigger words that you think might be offensive and hurt ad sales Oh cool now posting a joke on Instagram is similar to putting together a set for the tonight show.

2:38:34It's all fucking You know this word's not okay. Yeah, this word's not okay. Yeah, Twitter's actually the only place left if you think about it Which is really fucking weird, you know, it's really weird because Twitter used to be the worst place for that Yeah, Twitter was the place where the FBI literally like the whole Twitter files when Elon took over right and they had Matt Taibe and Michael Shellenberger and all these guys like Investigating when they went into it and they're like oh my god the government was literally trying to stop legitimate Professors at Stanford and people at Harvard and MIT from talking about their area of expertise Right, they were trying to label them as cooks and get them kicked off of Twitter the whole thing was fucking bananas and If we didn't if he didn't buy people used to get their accounts to spend it a lot on Twitter remember that like that was a big thing But now it's like now it's more like Instagram TikTok's ridiculous obviously I mean there's that one is like good luck with the fuck knows But even YouTube is kind of changed a little bit.

2:39:32I mean YouTube is Everyone's changing is my thing but YouTube is like it's kind of shocking like my issue is like they keep moving the goalpost in But there's no guidebook. They're not telling any of us what's not okay? They're just kind of making up the rules as they go along It's the band people's accounts. They don't tell them why it's kind of your account is violated our terms of service And then that's it and then you have no records and you spend a lot of time and money building up these platforms and they're like sorry Yep, it's pretty fucked up. It's you know, especially now during the election Excuse me during the election time now they're really clamping down on that And there's a lot of people getting shadow banned allegedly and then there was a thing that Elon just released where he said that European governments would they were saying that they were gonna They would be willing to give them money to have certain platforms Sensor certain political speech.

2:40:23Yeah, and Elon was the only one said no and he talked about it publicly He said these other these other groups these other social media platforms complied and like I'm telling you about this Yeah, you need to know it's it's pretty weird because It just keep they just keep moving the goalpost in. Yeah, I mean, it's gonna key it's bad I see comics now kind of working toward the algorithm and it is bad for entertainment and for art and stuff like that And I get annoyed when comics are just like shocking for the sake of being shocking and lazy But I don't think they should be fucking silenced. Yeah, they shouldn't be silenced But you're always gonna have people that try things that don't work out right especially in an open -ended art form like comedy Where you're the writer you're the producer you're the editor and you're delivering it So you're everything you're the whole thing and you're fucking around and you're trying to come up with ways and Maybe you're desperate so you try to figure out a way to juke the Eek the system and try to figure out a way to get your stuff seen and heard and you say things He might not even mean, but you think it's gonna be good.

2:41:20It'll work It's a little tool for you and you're trying and those guys, you know, they're not our favorite the guys that do like stupid shit like that but That's also like they should exist. Yeah, they exist But maybe they can get better one day like a lot of us sucked in the beginning and better now and over time Learn you keep working at it and it's an open -ended thing you eventually Figure it out or not about last night. There's guys. It's it takes them a minute Yeah, and it should take you a minute This is like I think a lot of the comics like don't hit their stride till they hit like 40 right?

2:41:53Yeah, because you actually develop a nuance take on life You've had a bunch of bad relationships. You had a bunch of bad business deals He's been fucked over by clubs that is good for comedy. Yes, your life on anything. I'm doing bad habits me I'm like fuck it's a bit here we go. Isn't that crazy that like it's such a beautiful thing that something horrible can go wrong I remember the first time I did your show I missed like I took me three flights to get to a gig that I miss and I'm like that's like my opener in my new special You know, it's like it like this long story this hell travel day and I'm like this sucks, but You get you We're very fortunate to have this outlet for that, you know Yeah, and I think just me if I didn't do it if I never did comedy again or if I never had done it I'd still would love it.

2:42:36Yeah, it's one of my favorite things to watch because it takes you away It puts you in this place and it's like a drug like it makes you feel better You know when someone's on stage killing and you're laughing you're like ah you feel better It's an amazing feeling to laugh at something to be able to do that for a living where the luckiest people alive I was just on birds fully loaded thing. It's so fun, dude It was such a good group of people when he like turned in with adult summer camp He's bringing like ice plunges. He bought a personal trainer. We're doing batting practice during the day One day Chad Daniels and I were fucking hooping dudes.

2:43:08I'm like this is fucking fun. You know with surf, you know me Bert Kyle Knain or surfing was hung over. I'm like we're gonna puke on a fucking in the in the water, but I remember one night. I'm just like watching David Talon stage. I was like oh this is like the best like you just get to like He's like one of the one dude that like brings me back to like forget. Oh, yeah, you it's so pure of funny It's like yeah, it's not like anything no agenda. It's just pure jokes and you're like oh, yeah He had a joke about like fucking but me. I'm a Biden man hunter Biden. I'm like that's like a fucking great Yeah, they didn't switch, you know like or the joke about like I got hit by a guy on a city bike the other day was my fault I was on the sidewalk and There's just like pure silly jokes and you just like transported to like being a kid I remember seeing him as a kid of Caroline's and being like oh this is what it's all about like yeah He's just trying to be silly.

2:43:59He just and he's the best at it and he's another guy that just doesn't He's not a promoter, right? So he's not as popular as he really should be based on how good he is and it's kind of up to us to let Everybody know, you know, I always feel like obligated to let everybody know like I when he was at the club And I went and I came and watched one of his sets I sat for the whole set which I don't ordinarily do I came in on a night where I wasn't working just to watch it was fucking awesome and After it I just like couldn't wait to do stand up again. I was like I can't wait to go on stage like it's like he's so quick I mean there was one time you know If you go through the audience the bathroom at the comedy seller and Three dudes came out of the same time all wearing glasses and he goes what is that a nerd portal?

2:44:39To come up with that line off the cuff. I'm like God. He's fucking good at this. Yeah He's always fast off the cuff like he does that thing at the end where he brings comics on stage terrifying Terrifying because he also because he's Obi -Wan He's the Jedi and on top of that he's loose because he's been killing for 45 minutes Yeah, and then he brings you on stage, you know, so it's kind of unfair You're cold you're in the bag like hey Dave grab a mic. Okay. Hey, hey, they shits on you if you don't say anything funny And it's yeah, he's awesome. He's so good. Yeah, he fuck he'll fuck with you. It's he's great I love that though that like when you're like few comics were like Usually I'm watching it and I'm being like good joke.

2:45:16That was I like that. That was cool But he's like one of the only dudes that I'm like holy shit I'm just like giggling. This is so stupid. I feel like a kid. It's also all he cares about and all he does He gets up in the morning he reads the paper he smokes cigarettes he writes jokes and he goes and when he goes to a town He always has new jokes about the town and you know, I wasn't that for him He had like the local paper. I was like local. What are you doing? Yeah, and then we'd like leave a diner like 4 a .m And he'd order a large ice coffee to go I'd be like what are you doing? You're out of your fucking mind But you know, yeah, he's just like he's a pure comic.

2:45:50It's like we're so lucky to have him in New York because he just like And he's so good to the young comics. I see the new here He'll be like he called me and he was like oh, I like following this new guy because he's like he's got good stuff And he's bringing the heat so he's like, you know, he's aware of it. Yeah, no, he's a He's a national treasure like legitimately and I tell everybody if you get a chance like go to his website if he even has one Yeah, he doesn't run it. I remember we're doing a road gig once and he like as we're driving I was like how do you post his pictures like I don't do that shit like he has someone doing everything, you know And it's always like hilarious because it's like he just writes the caption and sends a bunch So it'll be him be like amazing weekend and like, you know, heart -ferd and he'll just be like this like angry in the photo It like never matches because he sends it to another person But you know, he's still as a flip phone.

2:46:41Yeah, he is too He is I think he has an iPhone that he uses but he only uses the flip most of the time when he Texas you It's like do do do do do do do do do do do it makes the same He was sitting here texting someone. It was like Yeah, I go what are you doing he sent in Morse code and he was I was realizing he was texting I'm like oh my god. You still text like that. Yeah, he's old school. Well, he went iPhone for a while and then he realized like this I'm too in my head with this. Yeah, I don't like back to it. Yeah, it's it's the better way It's better. You see it with him the results speak for themselves You know, yeah, you're not distracted.

2:47:15I mean Aziz went to a flip phone. Did he yeah? He talked about it on stage He was like I got my brain back he goes. Yeah, I can't get directions or anything like that But I got my brain back. He's in Europe, too. He's like he's totally is he? Yeah, what is he doing? I think he I think his wife is in London. I think he just moved. I haven't seen him forever. Wow Yeah, well some of those guys, you know, they just like they get hit hard once with a big cancellation Like what no, he's he that's over. Yeah, but I know, but I mean that thing changes like you're you're It just changes your outlook on stuff.

2:47:46Yeah, no, I'm sure I mean that was That was well when it's written on babe done that you know, it's legit and When that's the only one to pick a new ones perspective on who he is Yeah, that was a weird one. Yeah, let's wrap this up my brother. Thank you very much. Thank you so much, man It's that fun tonight. I can't wait. Yeah, it's gonna be exciting Tell everybody your social media where to see your shit your special new special samaril you've changed. I'm prime video I'm all over the road. I got like prime's doing a bunch of them now, huh? I think they did a bill bur one I think bills doing his next Who do you know?

2:48:22Yeah, yeah, no bunch other people have done prime people have done prime. Yeah, they they was by far my best offer and they You know, once I started they treated people in the warehouse. I was like I want to be on board So no they No, they've been they've been good to me and then I he's like at that. I got a you know, I'm all over I got like Miami Baltimore. I'm trying to build a material back up. I'm doing a euro tour So all over Europe like London Bell fest all that shit and I post a lot of shit on punchup .live slash samaril because What is punchup .live my friend Danny Frankl started at Easter work at Facebook and he hates censorship of comedians so Punchup is where I just I gather emails and I though here it's like patreon, but I don't take money I just want emails so I can blast you when I come to your city.

2:49:05I don't spam you It's just punchup .live slash samaril slash sign up or just whatever and I just uh, I post gigs I post bonus stuff that I won't post elsewhere because I don't want it to get like Buried on some horseshit right and uh, it's good. He's cares about comedy. He's a great guy. That's cool I'll check that out. It's awesome. All right beautiful. Thank you, man. Thanks brother. Appreciate it. All right Bye, buddy