#2192 - Raanan Hershberg

21:25Right. I know what you're saying. Yeah. Like it has to. I think what you're saying is that it has to be real in your mind at that moment. And you can't be just reading a script. You have to fit. Yeah. Instead of yeah, to me, it's like instead of thinking of like, oh, I'm saying something now that we're going to laugh. Just try to think of the anger or the sadness or whatever. Why? Which is upsetting you are making you laugh hysterically about this subject? That's why Bill Burso great because it's like, he's not, he doesn't look like he's trying to get people right, right, right. Really angry. Yeah.

21:55When he is, he is. You know, if you talk to Bill in the green room, it's the same guy. Yeah, fucking, if I fucking told him and that's what yeah, and that's what's hilarious. Just kind of like the fact he's so great at keeping that anger. I don't know if it's an act. I mean, keeping that anger live through all these shows is not an act. He's just like, you can call him right now. Bring up something that I know I listen to you. You know, my favorite is when he's on a podcast with someone and they take themselves seriously. Like he was on with Bill Marr and he was just chewing Bill Marr up and then he was on Charlemagne the God.

22:28He was chewing him up. It's just I love it. I love it. He's the best at that. He's yeah, he's the king. He's amazing. He's the best at like breaking down what yeah, look at you. You know, he's breaking you down. He's like, oh, no, no, it's me. No, he knows me. He knows me. No, he's amazing. And he yeah, I just think his ability to just always be himself on stage, which I think that's the kind of comedy I love the most. He has a unique talent for it or unique talent for anything he's talking about. He's just being himself. Yeah, no, that's incredible. Yeah, it's a fucking it's it's so interesting to see how so many people do it differently, but we all have like something in common.

23:09And I think one thing that everybody has in common is like what the best ones are really thinking about what they're talking about. Right, right, thinking really, really, and having to care about it. I feel like so many times I'll do a bit and it's not working. And then I realize I don't give a shit. That's right about the thing. I'm saying I need to if it's important to me, it'll be important to the audience. Yeah, I have to bail on bits when I'm bored with them. I know because you're like, I don't I don't really care about this. Yeah, this is I'm not I know there's some like people who look, yeah, there's something there.

23:37I'm like, I know, but right now I don't give a fuck about it. So I have to leave it alone for a little bit. If you don't give a fuck about it, they can tell. Yeah, it's your some of them. There's some bits that killed when I first started doing them. And then they got a little flat. And I was like, what's going on here? Oh, I don't care anymore. You don't care. You don't care. And you know they work. There's no mystery. Mm -hmm. I also I didn't find out whatever it is in the bit that makes it a great bit. Right. You know, there's like there's sometimes you just can't find a thing that elevates it from an eight.

24:05It stays at an eight. Exactly. It never hits a 10. You got to sometimes you get a trim. Sometimes you keep them in. If they make a point, if they're like bizarrely ironic, there's something about it where you're like, it's worth it even though it's not the funniest joke. Yeah. Because if we get little hills and valleys with the hour it works well. Yeah, yeah, with an hour. But sometimes you just got to set it aside. And then sometimes I'll come back to it. You know, I have like a whole folder that I call orphan babies. And it's all bits that never made it on anything. That's great to keep erected.

24:38Yeah. That's a great thing to have to because that's the hardest part for getting everything. I forget them. Sometimes their friend brings them up. What about the hyena thing? I'm like, I fucking forgot. I'm like that. How does it go? People bring that up like, oh yeah, why don't I stop doing that joke? I know. It's weird. It's tough. I did an hour, I released an hour a couple of months ago. And so I'm trying to work out a new hour. It's tough when you have that because there's a lot of jokes. You just probably don't care about that much. But you need it in there just for the, you know, right, right.

25:06If you're scaffolding, you know, exactly right to keep the bits together. So they're coherent sometimes. Put it in my head. I'm like, I think everybody should have a folder that they just put on everybody should write. I mean, I know everybody likes to write on stage. And I get it. And there's some of the greats that write on stage. But if you're listening, if you're not those people, everybody else, you should write. Yeah. Because you can go back and not forget that I have a whole, my bookshelf looks like seven. You know, he has all the notebooks. Yeah. That's great. It's all just, you know, crazy manifestos and jokes.

25:39I think that's it's like one of the things that I found when I had to do this live specials that I had to really go over my shit. Yeah. Like with a fine tooth comb. So I wound up writing out all my bits that's done hundreds of times. Write them out exactly word for word, just drill it into my head. And then I was preparing for this. I was like, I should probably be doing this all the time, right? I should probably be doing not just when I'll get ready for a special, but I should probably be doing comedy this way. I know. It's like, whatever I've done late night, I start really analyzing the jokes, yes, cutting them.

26:12Oh, I should, if I do this all the time, I'd be pretty good. I'm like, that word does not work there, but it's just because I'm doing on late night. So I'm like, but then normally I'm like, whatever. I know it's like, it's funny. It's we have our own schedule. We get to govern ourselves, which is not always the best thing. It's because if we were like a prodigy and you know, you were a violin coach, I'd make you practice all day, bitch. I know, but you can only technically practice on stage. That's a weird thing. It's like, you can, but you can prepare off stage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, I think it's, I think it's really important to like write everything down and go back to it and just like, you don't lose anything.

26:53You go forget things. Yeah. Actually, as you get older, I have a bunch of friends that just keep things in their head. And you know, like, uh, Duncan, I'm pretty sure he did this release this bit so I could say, he might not have fuck. He's got a great bit about it. This is my sins bit. You can do it. No, but I don't know. I think it's like, he recorded a special, but I don't know if it's on. It's on. I don't want to say it, but he's got this great Adderall bit. He totally forgot about it. I said, come on. How does it go? I go, you say, oh my God, that joke's amazing. I go, it's your joke. You've got it.

27:23You got it. Yeah. It's important to be organized. Yeah. It's just we govern ourselves. And we're all slackers. It's a weird job because it's just you. Uh -huh. And it's just how it, even like advice doesn't typically work because every comedian when they give advice, they're really just giving it that works for them. Right. And you don't know if it works for your voice or how you it's also you're just alone. Right. And you have to create your own system. Yeah. And advice as long as it's not rigid is really good because you really can't tell people how to do things. No. And if anything, I mean, there's some good advice.

27:58I mean, when I was started out, I got a couple, you know, look around the audience, keep the mic out of that. Oh yeah, standard stuff. But like once you get into real advice, I don't know. I think it just gets in your head for the most part. You know, sometimes it's good. And sometimes it's terrible. Yeah. I got a lot of terrible advice when I first started out. What's a good advice? Good advice is write a lot. Sure. Listen to your recordings. That was one thing. This guy, Mike Dunnevin. And I got real lucky that I started out in Boston in the 80s. And it was like, there was all these local headliners that were awesome.

28:29I mean, world class, but they were local. They stayed local. And one of the ones is this guy, Mike Dunnevin. And Mike Dunnevin, he always had a let go. This is back in the day when you had cassette recorders. They were big, like a fucking box of cigars. And he would sit it on the thing and press record when he went on stage. He goes, oh my god. You never know. He goes, you might have a new tagline in that moment. That's crazy. And then you forget about it if you don't listen. And that was some of the best advice I've ever heard. He was like the first comic recording of sets. He was just a smart dude.

28:59And he just figured out that you got to do that. Yeah, I think like that advice is great. Like definitely writing a lot. And definitely listen to your sense. It's so important because there's so many comics who go up all the time, but they're delusional and they don't get better because they're not like realizing that it's not working. Yeah, you got to analyze yourself like a hater. Exactly. But, but stuff about how to say shit and all that. I just feel or like your style. Some of that. I feel like you're kind of a little 100 % you know, because like imagine someone like Bill Burr trying to give advice to Mitch Hedberg.

29:31Just fucking yell the bad. Get mad. Get mad. Get mad. Think about it. What the fuck when you think about the rights? Get mad. Get mad. There's so many rights. I mean, at a certain point, that's one of the cool. I've been thinking about doing this for quite a while now. We've talked about it. I think we're going to do it. And what I want to do is have outside of podcast to just have an interview with head headliners when they come into town and tell me about what happened. Tell me about your journey. What was your first open mic? What was it like? How'd you feel? How'd you get started? Did someone influence you?

30:07Did someone ask you to do it? I love it. What were your first road gigs? Just anodic podcasts were like it'd be me talking about my stories, but just like I was wanting to know 100 % in an interview. Right. Right. A conversation, but an interview and just you know, so that it's archived for comics because you remember like when you were starting, I mean, 17 years ago, right. You could get a couple of books. There was a few books. This episode is brought to you by Life Lock. Tax season is already stressful. You shouldn't have to worry about identity theft on top of everything else. And trust me, it's a big worry, especially since during tax season, your sensitive info does a lot of traveling to places you can't control.

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33:13Richard Belzer had a book on stand up, but it was kind of like tongue in cheek. Right, right. The comedy Bible. Yeah. There was nothing written by anybody who was really good. No. So that was part of the problem. Belzer was good, but nothing written by like a George Carlin or Richard Pryor or Lenny Bruce. It's never advised from the great, it's always some weird person, some like kind of grifty. Yeah, it's grifty. And someone who's like, well, you're not a comedian. Well, we thought about doing that at the store back in the day. We were talking about doing comedy classes where, you know, a comic like a headline would come in and I know Ari did this quite a few times.

33:49Ari did it in Phoenix when I was there. He'd set up like a seminar for free for all the local comics. Told him how this is how you get a manager. This how you get an agent. This how you get stage time. This what you should do to organize your set and fucking amazing resource for free. You did it for like two and a half hours. So Ari was doing that for a while, but there's nothing like that for comics coming up. Everybody has to learn from the people at the clubs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a good, that's a good, I would love to hear that. Because if you could go start out now and you can go on YouTube.

34:20First of all, you have access to everything red, fox, Rodney, Jingerfield, fucking everything that's ever been is online. Lenny Bruce, you watch Lenny Bruce recordings right now. Yeah. It was impossible to find that shit when we started. Impossible. It's still impossible to understand. Yeah, a lot of it, right? Listen to him. I'm like, I don't know. It was like different time where saying Yiddish was really like hip. Right. Lenny. Yeah. You know, the Michigan guys. Well, the thing about Lenny was no one had ever talked like that publicly. Right. So this was a totally unique thing that you have to take in the context of 1963.

34:54Some of the most groundbreaking stuff feels the most dated later. Yeah. Because it is so groundbreaking that everyone, the model changed. The whole world changed the way they think about things and then talking about things openly the way he did became normal. Right. So he's doing normal things to us. But it seems, yeah, no, it's like that musical Oklahoma seems like such a standard thing. Right. But at the time it was super experimental. It was the first one where they they had like not a chorus on stage right away or someone singing and a narrative. Like a narrative like musicals before that were reviews.

35:27And you're like, I switch it to musicals. You're like, you're like, go back to comedy. No, musicals are cool. I love musicals. But it was like it was groundbreaking at the time. Right. Narrative story must have been before that was like reviews and they broke a lot of rules. But now it's just Oklahoma. You know, but it was like an experimental thing at the time. Like the Wizard of Oz. Yeah. The Wizard of Oz was monumental when it came out. Like it was something that everybody saw. It was one movie that you would guarantee everybody you talked to had seen the Wizard of Oz. Yeah. No, it was it is the most watched movie.

36:00I read a book about the making recently. It was interesting. Yeah. Did you know that let's know Judy Garland was like a groped by a lot of the little people on the movie. It's like a whole thing she got groped. And I read it. Apparently they were mad. All the little people were like very drunk and wild. You know, and they were mad because apparently they're getting paid less than total the dog. So the hierarchy on Wizard of Oz was like the dog little people and then women at the bottom. You know, and they were like groping her and she couldn't say anything about it. Wow. It didn't say it. I wish they could make a move.

36:37That's also like what year was that? 1939. Bro, people were savages about that. Oh, there was. Savage. Oh, he slapped the director of Victor Fleming slapped Judy Garland on the face during a scene. Just slapped her because she couldn't keep a straight face. Oh my god. Oh no, it was and that movie. I wish I could make a movie about the making of Wizard of Oz and that would show like the beauty of the movie but also how horrible behind the scenes were. Right. Because you had the witch caught on fire and literally like lost feeling in her hand at one point. And then they forced her to go back to Margaret what her name is.

37:14They first should go to back to work the next day, even though she was the hospital. The original guy playing the Tin Man got really sick because the paint they were using. He ended up in the hospital. They just replaced him. Really? Yeah. He got like really sick. Yeah. No, it's like it was that. That makes sense. Like what the fuck is that stuff they put on his skin? There's no regulation. They're just like, let's try this. They had just got done with like think about that was like the litamide babies back then. Yeah. Or that was actually later. The litamide babies. Wasn't that like in the 60s?

37:46But they had the the the girls that developed cancer because they were using the loom for the watches. Right. Right. So that radio at what was that called? That the radium girls. Radium girls. Yeah. There was horrific holes in their face and shit. Their their tongues would rot out of their mouths. There was zero. Nobody told them anything. Because they were like the tip of their brush when they were because they were doing these very delicate loom dials on watches. No, that no one gave a shit. And in the Hollywood there was no like the stars didn't have like some stars were beginning to have power but Judy Garland she was just treated like like she was owned by them.

38:20You know what I mean? Right. Like to slap. She's like trying to slap like Emma Snow now. Crazy. But it's just crazy to think that that was not long ago. I know. And it's well the Holocaust. But isn't it kind of like watching tape and listening to tape as a comic? Because you don't know how bad you suck to see it. And people didn't know how bad like that kind of behavior was until you see it. Like go to what the old James Cagney movies. He'd smack his girlfriend right in the face. And he was the hero. And then they kiss each other. It's all yeah every that's it's yeah you can I love watching old stuff to see like that the prop of headache parts.

38:57I just find them like really funny. You see the one where it's like an old western and the guy is spanking his wife. And the kid comes along and says do you like I know why you're spanking mommy. It's because you love her. And then he's like that's right son. It's so nuts like the woman is over the guy's knees. And he's spanking her. That's it's out of love you know that's insane. Yeah. This is like something that someone thought you could pass off in a movie. I mean that's how confused we were about narratives and about reality and well every 80s movie like people like you got to watch it. Here it is.

39:35Look at this. Oh my god. It's John Wayne. Oh my god. Thanks. Thanks. He's beaten it. It's awful. This is not the one where the guy the wife. I mean he's beating her with a piece of metal. And what a great show. Oh my god. What a great movie. I love where they give him the weapon to you. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah like normal. Yeah normal. Beat her with a weapon. Don't use your hand. What if your hand gets hurt? Well every 80s movie they're like you got to watch this 80s movie. It's a classic that you turn it on. It's like 12 nerves gang raping a woman. It's like every 80s comedy is like a prank. That is the one.

40:16What is this one? Maybe not. I thought this was the one. He's chasing her up the house. And he spanked her too. Yeah. So he's carrying her away. Look he's spanking her. What a friend. Everybody. Look at the object then. This is so crazy. It's not just spanking but spanking in public. Not just like he's holding her up in the air while he's spanking her. And they're laughing. Like they think it's wonderful. Look. He's going to fuck her lady. He just dropped her. Just laughing.

40:48What the fuck? I've never been so proud. They both have black eyes. And he's got his arm around her. Oh sweetie. I got the job. What the fuck is that movie about? We just look evil when we look back in the past and we're just like slap spaker spaker. And by the way they thought they were so sophisticated because they were comparing themselves to fucking cave people. Of course. Yeah. Well, we, you know, we changed. We move at our own pace. Right. And so we had to like look at the cave pain. He's going, that is kind of fucked up. You stabbed that guy with the spear. I remember that. That's from that to movies and plays, right?

41:26Yeah. Well, we're getting, we're getting better. It's just slow. My cousin had a botnitz fire and it was reformed. You know, that's where you do the whole service in English. And you have to read part of the Bible, which in, in concern of you doing Hebrew, but in reform, you do in English. What is it? Why reform? They're just more liberal, more accessible. It's usually like a lesbian rabbi. It's like eating on a girlfriend on stage and stuff. And there's like a, the canter's tuning a guitar. And she had to read a part of the Bible, but reformed doing in English. So the 13 year old girl had to go on stage in front of everyone and read the selected part.

41:59And like not every part of the Bible holds up. So it was like 300 people are parents behind her. And she's just on stage. She has to open to the bar. And she's just like, when a slave offends you, you cut off his right arm. And then his parents, her parents are behind her. They're like, that's my girl. And she's like, when you offend them again, you execute them. Leave them the laws of how to punish your slaves. And we're all just like in the back. I'm not sure. Is that real? Cool. Yeah. Or something like that. Yeah. Something close to that. Jesus Christ. And that's why you do it in Hebrews. You don't have to know that you could pretend it's okay.

42:33That's why we do it in Hebrew. You don't know what they're talking about. Well, that was the whole thing about them doing it in Latin, right? Like nobody could speak Latin. So they could take the pre -sword for it. It says, give me $100 if you want to be in the afterlife. I think there was a lot of that going on. That's why everybody wanted to kill Martin Luther. Right. Right. Yeah. The Latin, that was a, that was a big con. Huge con. Yeah. Nobody speaks it. Yeah. Only we know what it's saying. It's a priest who's like, kid, it's saying to suck my dick right now. It is. It's nuts. Isn't it not as a die as kind of a dead language?

43:02Like you can still learn Latin, but nobody speaks Latin. No, unless you're getting possessed by the devil. Yeah. Don't forget that demographic. Oh, yeah. Those folks, well, they usually talk in tongues. They're not even doing Latin. They're going to throw a Latin to the occasionally. I feel like the exorcist. I feel like she throws in a little Latin. She said your mother sucks cocks in hell, which by the way, that's English. I don't understand why anyone scared of that movie. That movie is hilarious. That's because you're younger than me. I know. When I was a boy, that movie was fucking terrifying.

43:34I saw that movie. I was real young. Like I probably shouldn't have been able to see it. Like what, what year did that movie come out? 75?

43:4375, 73. Okay. Try to be a rainman. So six. Yeah. Well, you should have been saying the I saw the movie when I was six. Yeah. My parents let me see all the scary movies. Can I ask you this? Did you at the time? I was talking to them about it backstage. Did you believe in the devil? A kind of? Oh, yeah. Sure. Because I'm a Jew. I'm like a heathen Jew, right? We don't believe in the devil. So for me, it just felt like funny. It's good fucking movie, man. But it's just like she's like saying like your mom sucks cocks in hell. That's like to a priest. That's definitively funny. Well, how about when she fucks herself with the cross?

44:21I just don't I don't know. It's just like she said some wild shit while she was doing it, too. It's my kind of something like that. But that's like, I guess back then, the idea of a kid cursing was like, oh, it's crazy. Well, this girl out South Park. You want to talk about someone that got fucked up from doing a movie. She got really fucked up from doing these. Imagine, okay, you're a young girl and you are literally playing the devil. Everybody knows you. You're famous now and you're famous for being the fucking devil. That's you see people see you on the street. You fucked yourself with a crucifix in a movie.

44:55You're like 13 people are walking by. The cocks in hell. Jesus Christ. She probably never heard the end of it. And that was another movie that everybody saw. Yeah, that was a yeah, I just I love horror movies, but I find that one. It's like I just don't find it. I know. I feel like a girl. I mean, at the time I get it was scary. Definitely if you're six. But I just find it silly. It's just like you're telling the priest to go fuck himself. It's funny. I get it. But I think it's because we are living in 2024 where we've been and all those movies have gone on and we've learned from those movies, which is interesting to think that like back then a kid cursing, we were so much more pure tanical.

45:33That was like disturbing disturbing. And now it's South Park. Yeah, it's totally normal. Yeah, now they're sticking things up their butts. Yeah, on cartoons. Yeah, it's totally normal now. And that's again, it's like going back to listen to Lenny Brewstuff and then trying to listen. He had one joke that comics inadvertently stole because they didn't realize that they were stealing it. But because it was so so brilliant. But it was when homosexuality was illegal back then. Right. And he goes, uh, being gay is illegal dig. What do they do when they catch it? They put you in jail with a bunch of guys who want to have sex with you.

46:11This is a great joke. He had great jokes. It's, it's just, you don't, we, if you went back in time to the 1950s and talked to people, they would think you were a fucking alien. Like, who is this guy? How's he talking so freely about things? Right, right. And he did have great joke. You just got to get past the, you dig in the, yeah, michiganas, but like, uh, he had great joke. I, I, I, that book of hits is awesome. The one of his transcripts. You look at that. No, it's like, uh, just that. The trials. No, just on the stand. Oh, the stand. It's awesome. You see it all in like, uh, he had one bit that was like, uh, I love Bill Hicks.

46:46He's one of my favorites, but it was similar to Bill Hicks joke. Not to say Bill Hicks stole from it, but they're just great minds. Think alike about like, if Jesus came back, you, what do you want to see across something similar? Yeah. And a bunch of guys had that. Yeah. But he might have been the first. Yeah. He probably was the first. I mean, Kenneson had something kind of similar to that too. I listened to Bill Hicks recently. I like, he got me into comedy. I always loved him. I listened to him on a road trip recently and he holds up so well. And I think like the people call him preachy. I think they're so wrong.

47:15I don't, I actually think all the jokes are just good jokes that aren't really preachy for the most part. See, I don't think it was preachy. Like, like, I don't think Anthony Jesselneck is really offensive. No, because you know what I'm saying? Like, it's a style of comedy. His style of comedy was condescending. I'm smarter than you. And here's some amazing points about life. And so I liked it. I liked that. Yeah. Hicks. Like when Hicks had talk about things, you talk about things like, you know, everybody's stupid. Like, this is why. Right. And I'm telling you how it should be. Right. And that's what people didn't like about it.

47:51But that was also a great way to get some of those points across. Like, there was some points that that's really kind of the only way if you want to deliver it the way he does it. It's really kind of the only way you can do it. Well, it's also funny to see a crazy person on stage, just someone who's like, you know, that's hilarious. Like he's a funny character. And I do think he has great misdirects, like just great jokes that go beyond like what ideology he's like, you know, professing, you know? You mean Hicks. Hicks. Yeah. Well, he had brilliant shit about the war. I mean, yeah. They have sophisticated weapons.

48:24How do you know we check the receipts? Well, the whole like the book depository is very realistic. Yeah. Hotswolds isn't in it. Yeah. He just had great like, I just thought he had just kind of like Woody Allen. I know he loved Woody Allen. Like great like Mr. Rex. And when you listen to it now, a lot of it is kind of what a lot of good comedy is where you take a hot button issue. But then you then you just have a joke that's just kind of about something else. Right. Right. Right. And that's really a lot of what his stuff is. It just feels like kind of like modern comedy. Mm -hmm. Yeah. Well, he definitely changed a lot of people's idea of comedy because he made it kind of interesting for the first time.

49:01Yeah. He had interesting subjects. Him and Doug stand up definitely for my big influences. I loved you too. I loved your olds. I loved your, I don't know, listen, what about when I listen to comedy albums? That was a different era, I guess, you know? Oh, wow. Yeah. But I remember I loved your bit about the Tiger and the Zoo, the monster in a box. Yeah. I still think about that every time I'm in a zoo because they always make the cage look like they could possibly jump out. Yeah. You know, do you remember that bit? Yeah, I do. I kind of remember it. But I remember the story. These kids threw pine cones at a tiger and the tigers can jump 14 feet in a 12 foot cage.

49:35Right. They gave it like a limit. They even put a roof on it. This cage is secure unless a tiger gets really mad. But what's that going to happen? Just I would have given everything to see the look on their face and that thing touch the top of the bars. Yeah. They were like when the paws hit the bars and the body starts going over the flood of chemicals that was going to your mind. That's a high off the charts. That's a high. Probably like nothing else you'll ever experience in life. That's like a cold plunge time. 10 ,000. Well, it's like undeniable. You're dying right now. Like it's coming for you.

50:09It's a 600 pound super predator. One kid survived, right? I think one kid survived. I think the kid who threw the pine cones unfortunately survived. I think his buddy got taken out. Oh, that's how fierce tigers are. I think I'm not going to fuck you up. I'm going to fuck your friend up. I think his buddy went to help him. Oh my god. I don't know the whole story. I mean, who knows. It was probably just chaos. But I think about that bit every time at a zoo. They always make it look like the tiger you can jump out. I'm like, why don't you just not make it look like that? Put a roof on the box. On the box.

50:38On the box. On the box. On the box. If you have a monster in the city. In a box. We don't have to make it look like he can jump out. We don't need. Also, how expensive is it to put a roof on? Is it that expensive? I think they want to make it feel like it's free. Fuck that. It's not free. Yeah. They shouldn't be there. I don't I don't agree with zoos at all. You know, I do. No, I don't. I used to. I'm a hypocrite because I took my kids to them because I want my kids to be able to see these animals because it's kind of cool to see a two -year -old staring at a zippo. But the reality is their prisons.

51:13Their prisons for animals didn't do anything wrong. But it's a little different in the sense that their life outside of prison is pretty messed up. They're getting killed. It is natural. They're not all getting killed. They're doing some killing too, which is also unnatural that you just feed these things that live to kill. I guess the zoo is better for the prey. It's definitely better. Why you stuff a joke about that, too, about the only animal that I don't feel bad about in the zoo is giraffes. They're having a great time. They don't seem to have any problem with it at all. Like another day with no lions.

51:46Well, it's like, yeah. If that's jail, like feeding them, just getting chased by it. Like if you if you were in prison outside of prison, you could just get eaten any time. Yeah. Prison when it looks so bad. Well, as long as they have a big enough enclosure and they can walk around, they don't seem to have any problem with it. Yeah. It's such for the predators because they can't hunt exactly. And then they always put the tiger like next to the giraffe or the lion, just a fuck with them, which is so crazy. It's a little cruel. You imagine me in a tiger and you're like, I can't believe it every day.

52:15I can't forget because you have bad memories. Oh, he's right there. Fuck. What the fuck? Cock suckers. Yeah. They're kind of cruel with that. Put them in different places. Well, you shouldn't put them there at all. Yeah. It's great. The whole thing's crazy. Yeah. I get it does protect some endangered species. But boy, I think if we really care about animals, we should put a lot more money into it and there should be a lot larger spaces. Yeah. And it shouldn't be anything remotely resembling a zoo. And it's always weird who gets the big space. I might get the Louisville zoo. Like there's a wolf who just got like fucking like 12 acres and then it's snow leopards and like a little diorama with a cage on it.

52:51It's sick. Yeah. The way they do it in Africa is the way to do it. If you really want to go see an animal, you should go on a fucking safari and drive through these areas where they're killing gazelles and they're doing normal lion shit. This is a normal lion in a lion environment and you drive through it and it's probably dangerous to shit and keep your fucking windows rolled. You know that lady from the Game of Thrones, one of the one of the video, I think one of the video editors, one of the editors from the Game of Thrones got killed by a lion in one of those parks. And the safari she rolled her window down and she was leaning out to take a photo or something.

53:24The cat reached in, grabbed her. Oh my god. I saw one of those videos where the people in the car and like that one of the, I think it's a tiger, not a tiger's Africa, but it was a lion coming up to the car and they're looking at it and the lion just opened the door. Like it just put his paw on the door and open and they're like, yeah. Oh, lock the fucking door man. Imagine a little skinny ass piece of window that you could put your head through easy. Yeah. And there's a lion right outside of it. You could put his head through it easily. Yeah. He doesn't know. Yeah. But if he just fucking smashes his head, it'll go right through that thing.

53:58He's a lion. If he's just like crazy that day. If he just decides to pop it with his paw, it's just gonna burst. Well, that's what's crazy about the tiger who killed the kid. It's like they were like, he can't get out unless he's really wants to. It's like don't protect it from him really wanting to as well. Well, they didn't have the proper height fence. Yeah, yeah. Not only did they not have a roof on it, the fence was two feet shy of what a tiger can jump over. It's only about three foot wall. What? Leaving over a three foot wall and out of its enclosure. No, no, no, no, no, no. They might have misunderstood when they wrote this article, but that's what this says.

54:36I don't think that's correct. I'm almost positive. I'm almost positive that it was 14 feet long. Of the wall was 1 .2 meters, four feet shorter than the recommended minimum. But it was more than three feet. I think it was 12 feet. I mean, hilarious. We're actually three feet and they're like, wow, what's the problem? That's crazy. That's four foot shy. I'm reading multiple articles. This one is even this was also weird. I thought it happened in 2011. This says it was 2008. So I'm kind of confused on that too. Maybe there's more than one of those. This was the same person that died in both articles.

55:08Oh, how weird. They're trying to say they were on drugs. It's like, yeah, this is the guy's word. Doesn't mean they deserve to die and die. One of me three foot wall. That's so crazy. I could jump a three foot wall. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's not real. I could try. There's no way. I could get you on the third try. Yeah. You could probably at least get over the top of it. There's no way it was that's no, there's no way that's this tall. That's crazy. That would be hilarious. We just made it three feet. They're different. They're like he doesn't, you know, from the San Francisco newspaper. What does that one say picture of what it was?

55:39The wall. Bro, that's pretty high. Yeah. Oh, the new glass wall makes it 19 feet. But it looks current wall. It used to be 12 feet. So that's where it was and the tiger jumped over that. And now they gave him an extra of five feet. Fuck that place. But it's a bit tight or seven. It made that jump on the distance. It said it was too far. It looks like it's built to have that tiger jump off that top part onto the face. It's like it's built so he can jump out. Did they say the tiger jump from the bottom or the tiger jump from that top part? The articles I was reading when it first happened, they weren't sure what the fuck happened.

56:13They were like, it doesn't make sense that it happened. They were like, they somewhat must have helped it. What? That's them covering their ass. It is a little bit of that because that's them covering their ass. They know exactly what happened. There was eye witnesses. People saw it happen. Also, who could have helped it? Yeah. So that's what it looked like. I guess that's first picture of seeing that. Oh my god, imagine that thing coming over the top of that. So that's the three foot fence I think that they were saying. Exactly. Wait, so if they're throwing pine, is this the pine cone thing or the other thing?

56:41Yeah. So it had to be below if they're throwing pine cone. No, it could be over there. They could throw it over the ridge. You think it got all the way to the... Yeah, yeah, you could throw that. That's not that far. No. No, no. That looks like 15 yards max. Let me see that again. Let me see that photo again. Yeah, that doesn't look that far, dude. It's a big jump, I guess you can... It's probably a big jump for a cat. I don't know if you made the jump. I think you made the jump from the bottom. That's yeah. The one that was confusing said that it was basically in these bushes when they fucking...

57:13When they were standing on this rail, throwing shit at it and then they got too close and found out like there was one way closer than they thought. That's not what I heard. No, I know it doesn't make sense. I don't know. What I had heard was the thing was over there. They were continuing to throw things at it and it came towards them and jumped over the wall, which only makes sense. Oh, I witness accounts. Statements from the... You're starting my confusion that this is from 2011 and those last two articles were 2008. Well, maybe they didn't release the whole story until 2011. Yeah, there it is.

57:45Okay, so all this is a lawsuit. Yeah, they should fucking sue for sure. I mean, definitely you shouldn't throw pine cones at tigers. You're a fucking kid. You're a dumbass kid. That could have been us. If we were both 17 and I'd go, I'd do a bear you to throw a pine cone. Come on, pussy. It's just a pine cone from the bottom of the moat to the dry moat to the top of the wall. Wow. No, that's crazy. From the bottom of the dry moat so they got into the bottom of... Yeah, like I thought, it was at the bottom of the thing. I can't imagine jumping on unless it was provoked. Yeah, but it shouldn't be able to jump out if it's provoked.

58:20Yeah, that's so crazy. You should have a back of plan for the tigers emotions. Yeah, also, why don't you have guards to make sure that someone doesn't do something like that? The tiger can't get out as long as it's the tiger's chill. Wow, followed someone's blood trail for about 300 yards where resumed attacks. Oh my god, Photoshop blood smeared asphalt where the tiger apparently drags Sosa's body. It found the blood trail. The tiger would leave a kill to go after something else unless we're a compelling reason. Oh my god, another victim blaming tiger past exhibits with warthogs which ignored as it followed the blood trail of the two brothers to the terrorist cafe outside the dining area.

59:01This is a real what are they wearing? What were they wearing? Yes, you know what I mean? That's exactly what it is. They're high or like what are black person get to kill and they try to vilify the black guy. They're like he was on drugs. It's kind of like that. They're like he was high. He was they should have provoked it but it's like you should have a cage where a tiger can't get out on any mood the tiger's in. Yeah, whether he's happy or mad they should test every mood. Good see if it could jump out and any of the moods. Also, what if it killed some old lady who's just there with her her niece?

59:32Yeah, you know showing her around and what if you know who the fuck knows what could have happened? You're you're just guessing. And it didn't even kill the friend. It didn't even kill the guy. Kill the other guy. I don't know who it killed. Now I'm saying that I'm trying to remember. But I bet it killed the younger of the three. They're the two were brothers that were not killed. Who was the one that threw the pine cones? Were they all thrown that? No, I thought I'd have them found out. It sucks that they know that that tiger was like maybe they were all thrown pine cones. Maybe I heard the story wrong or the tiger was just clearly more annoyed by one of them.

59:59Like one of them had a more annoying face. It's whoever the fuck is closest. Yeah, yeah. Who's closest? Who's going to get taken out first? This thing has never had a chance to take out anything. Yeah, it's a little. I mean, the whole reason they exist is they are the clean up crew for nature. Anything that has a limp, anything that does something stupid, you go walking through the thick grass. That's a wrap. That's what they're there for. They're there for overpopulation. Yeah, because they exist around deer. Yeah, of course. They exist around a very specific kind of deer. It's called the Axis deer.

1:00:31And these deer move like lightning, dude. Yeah, you ever see the Axis deer? No, I don't think so. They fucking tell them they take off. Like, it's crazy because they evolved around tigers. Right. But they just explode away so fast. There are a lot of times you see those water buffalo moving. They seem to completely forget about tigers or lions until they jump out. And then they're like, oh, shit. And then they all run away. Not that many lions eat water buffaloes. No, they're so big. They're too dangerous. You can get a broken jaw, broken leg. They stomp your head, you're dead. But yeah, I agree that predators, it sucks for them in a zoo.

1:01:03But you never want to have a zoo. It's just prey. That would kind of suck. Reported that our claws were not afraid, suggesting that she made the 12 -foot nine -inch leap on her first attempt. Oh, my God. Dr. Dunker also reported that there was no disease or signs of trauma on the body other than bullet wounds for the cat. Jesus Christ. Do you know there's one specific tribe of lions in Africa that does hunt water buffalo? Yeah. Because they got stranded on an island. Oh, wow. The currents change to this river and these lions got stranded on this island that only has water buffalo. Oh, wow. And so the female lions evolved to become much larger than normal female lions.

1:01:43They look like Hulk lions. It's crazy. It's called a relentless enemy. Because they're the hunter of the female. Yes, the females of the hunters. So they got as big as male lions. Wow. So the female hunters are is their jack too. Like they look freakish because they have to take out water buffalo all the time. Have you seen the video, the best nature video? I mean, the one about the water buffalo is walking and the lion comes and they like, it's like four lions and they never go after the big one. It's always like four of them after like a baby water beller and a wheel chair and it's like, yeah.

1:02:12And they push him into the water and then a crocodile comes out of the water and grabs the water buffalo, the baby. And then the the lions are like having a tuggle war with like the crocodile. It's like insane. I've seen that. Yeah, I have seen that. But that's the crocodiles of the ultimate cleanup crew. Yeah. You see if you can find that relentless enemies thing because you got to see what these female lions looked like. I can show to us. We always get in trouble. Right. Just show to us because these female lions, they don't even look real. They look like CGI lions. There's some super jacked.

1:02:43So the female lions are normally smaller, but they are the hunter. They're the hunters. But this this documentary relentless and it seems to be fine. One of the images of the jack. Look at, she's built like she's built like a male. That's insane. She's fucking huge. Yeah. Huge because they have to take out water buffalo. She's like a female bodybuilder. It's a great documentary though. It's because it's just about nature adapting. Right. Look at the size of her. Oh my god. There's so much bigger. And you know, they have to be because these fucking things are ruthless. I mean, water buffalo are huge.

1:03:15Yeah. And they're tough as shit. You can hang off them with their claws and they don't even notice it. Yeah. They always have like bugs on them and they don't notice like fucking shit life. Have you done this? Have you done this so far? No. My buddy, Mikae, Dan Mikae, my friend, he did it and he sent me a footage of a lion like killing like a prey right in front of him. Yeah, he just filmed it. Yeah. And they're in those open jeeps. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What is that about? They just haven't figured out yet that they can get you people love. It's like the zoo. They love to have it all open. Yeah. They love to just like, you know, push it as far as they can.

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1:07:42Now we're up. Oh, we're just about to complain about the government. Well, whoever it is. They're cracking down on our controversial takes on lines and lines. It's YouTube, man. They're trying to ban free speech ban.

1:07:56There's a local outage. It's going to take two hours to get everybody else's power up out. When we got lucky, I guess. Oh, okay. I feel privileged. Is it a brownout? Is this one then brownouts? I got to notice for my house, there's also an energy outage. It may affect until 4 .38 p .m. That's tough. Texas has its own grid, which is great until it's not. I've read the news from the audience. It got real close. Apparently during the cold front, it got real close. They were like 30 minutes away from losing the whole grid. No, my friend was my best friend from here, Zach, and he was here during the when they had to like, what melt the snow or whatever the...

1:08:32No, it wasn't. It just became like... It was crazy. It was a crazy survival thing. That was the first year we lived here. No one knows how to drive in the snow. It was hilarious. Yeah, now I remember that. People with corvettes like spinning around in intersections. No, he was melting snow. Why was he melting? They had to melt snow for something. For what? I don't know. It was like that movie alive. They didn't melt the snow for water. It was for water, yeah. I think the pipes froze. Yeah, that makes sense. It was crazy, yeah. You got to have some water, folks. Keep some water in your house. It's a good move.

1:09:07If you're in a place that happens like that. So if this happens in Boston, they know how to deal with snowy roads. They fix things. It's easy. They plow. Everything gets back online. Anytime they're snowed, it all shuts down. They don't have plows. Hey, guys, I've been here twice and it snowed. How about by a fucking plow? You know, have one. Yeah, yeah, I guess it just haven't happened enough for them to, you know, yeah, but that's so stupid. Yeah, no, I know. Louisville is up from Louisville Kentucky. It's kind of like that, too. Whenever it's snowed, it's shut down the whole city. It's funny if you grew up in a place like I grew up in Boston, which is like snow is just normal.

1:09:43They don't notice, yeah. It's just normal. It's part of up snowing out. Did you even have like the school ever closed? It had a fucking snow. For school to close, like closing school was such a fun experience. No, no, every time we did have them, we did have snow days because you did fucking snow, but in places like there, if it's just snowing a little, you go to school. Go to school, bitch. Is there anything better than a snow day? It was so exciting. You know, day off. I think I learned more in snow days than I did in any other day. Of course, and then you'd be at, you'd be like watching the TV waiting for your county to be listed.

1:10:16It was like the one that caught me. And like, fuck. Like, please, I can stay home, watch cartoons. It was, it was no greater joy than a snow day. Oh, it was wonderful. And now the snow sucks, you hate it. Someone should redesign school. School's terrible. Yeah. It's just the whole design of getting kids to sit down all day. It's fucking terrible. We wake them up at like farmer times. Like we wake them up. I used to get up at like five in the morning, like I was a farmer. Yeah. And your parents would just go back to bed. They're like, we don't go out, they just get up and then they go back to sleep.

1:10:45I'd be on the bus at like five in the morning. Of course. It was terrible for kids. And then they say we have ADD. We're fucking tired. Yeah, tired and bored. Yeah. And this shows this thing you're doing in front of me sucks. I got back to the Adderall thing. So I got addicted and I ended up, what did you start off with? How much were you taking in the beginning? I think probably like 30 milligrams. Right away. Yeah. Whoa. I think, maybe you said 20 kept you up for two days. Yeah, I mean, I'm not a user, but 20 was plenty. I'm not like how I said user like that. Like I'm not a user like this junkie.

1:11:16I'm not like I said, I'm not a user. So you started off with 30s. Yeah, you started taking it every day or? Yeah, right away. Yeah, recreationally. First recreationally, then I got the prescription. So it was FDA approved. So you did listen to psychiatrists. You did listen. She is a doctor. Yes, but then I started taking more and having to buy them off the street. And then I, at one point I couldn't get any and this kid I knew, this kind of bad seed, I asked him if he had any, he had like something he said his uncle made. It was like a synthetic drug. Turned out to be basalts. I ended up taking them.

1:11:51I was a greeter at a H and R block. You know, the tax place. And I just like basically had this horrible panic meltdown. Like I kicked in and I just thought of about to die. I called my twin sister. I freaked around. I was like, I think I'm about to die. Goodbye, then I hung up. And then she called back and she was like, they called the ambulance. They called the ambulance. My heart rate was at like a hundred and like, I don't know. Probably what yours is when you're exercising. But it was faster. It was faster. Probably was normal. There was like a hundred and ninety. Like, oh my god. And yeah, I told her it was a red lining.

1:12:28It was crazy. Yeah, I almost died. And then I ended up going to rehab for Adderall, which is kind of embarrassing. How hard was it to kick? You know, I weaned off, which was if you wean off, I think it's okay. Cold turkey is not for me. So what did you, you said you were up to 90 a day, so how'd you wean? You know, it was just 80 one week. Really? I think something like that, yeah. So were you completely functional when you were on or were you out of your mind? No, no, I was functional. I was annoying. That was the thing. I was annoying. Oh, you couldn't stop talking. Yeah, I got really annoying.

1:13:00And that it ended up like people just, that's the thing. People think drugs will, you know, I'm not like a crazy person, but I just annoyed everyone. Right. And so the intervention was more like, you're really annoying. You're talking on style. And then I got off and was kind of the same. Wasn't that different. I'm like, no, that's just me. And you're a lot of work. It's actually a perk. Yeah, exactly. It's actually a plus. But I missed it. I mean, I don't, I could never do it again. Wow, I missed it. It was a great, it's, it was my favorite drug. It made you, because I have, you know, like everyone, I have low self -esteem.

1:13:30And when you did it, it made me, it made me just right. I just was so productive on it. Really? Yeah, because it, when I write, I mean, I've gotten better at it now over the years. But when I write, you have that voice telling you it's shit, and you can't like move forward. And this, the adder all like, this was before I was, I was doing stand -up a little, but writing screenplays and stuff. And the adder all gave me the confidence to just fucking plow through it. It wasn't all good, but some of those good. You know? Well, I mean, that's why they were prescribing it to people back in the day, when they first came up with it.

1:14:01Like in Nazi Germany, even before they were giving it to the Nazis, you could buy that, what was it called, Perkko? What is it called? Per -per -per -per -per -Viden? Pervitan, Per -per -per -Vitan. That's the Hitler speed? Well, it was the, it was the for sale version of Methamphetamine that you could buy at drugstores. Yeah. And people would just take it. It was like a low dose. It's essentially just like, that's it right there. Kind of real similar to adder all in a lot of ways. But it was a, you know, it was Methamphetamine. Oh, right. And you just could take it, this was like over -the -counter, right?

1:14:33Yeah. Back when they had like, a hairly procedure. Look at that, Methamphetamine hydrochloride. Oh, man. and that's crazy. So it was a small dose and people would take it all day long and it gave them all this energy to get things done. I mean, think about the engineering that was coming out of Germany at the same time. Yeah, they were focused. They were fucking dialed in. You were really focused on that Jew hating. That actually, that's been really focused. Yeah. If you wasn't on it, you probably wouldn't have killed as many people. Well, if it wasn't on everything, it was an oxycodone and they were given in all these crazy animal hormones.

1:15:09He was having them remove animal organs and they were injecting glands into his body. He was like, they're practicing on it. But here's what I don't get. I've done oxycodone. And when I'm on it, I'm very loving. I love everyone. He was on it and he was still hating it. That is like, he should have been like, I love the Jews. Like the oxycodone should have made him like more lovey -dovey. Yeah, that's why I was confused too. Because I had always heard that it was meth. Because I knew that there was meth use and I knew that Hitler like cocaine and they used to shoot him up with testosterone too.

1:15:39And that makes sense. That makes sense. You're a meth, you're like, we got a problem. Yeah. I'm focused of gonna commit to it. But the oxy, it's like when Rush Limbaugh, you found out he was on oxy, he was always still like angry. And I feel like if I was on oxy, I'd be like, everything's gonna work out. Bro, he was on like 90 pills a day. But we're like the love. He did so much. They think it's part of the reason why he went deaf. Really? Rush Limbaugh. Yeah, there's actually like a thing that happens when you overdose and I hope you take too much opi, it's like fries your fucking ears. But like to have all that hate on the painkillers, I just don't get.

1:16:11When I'm on painkillers, I love my enemies. I think it's because you're a nice guy. Oh, I like that spin. I think who you are like at your core, like while you operate in life, whatever you're taking, whether it's alcohol or pot or whatever, it only enhances that who you are at your core. So if you're like an evil person deep down with your covering it and then you get drunk and you get really vicious with people, those people are probably already vicious inside of them. Right. No, that's totally true. But if you're a happy drunk, you're probably a good guy. And you need a couple of drinks to feel loose and now you're fun, you're having a good time, you know, you're loving, you're hugging everybody.

1:16:47No, that's a good point. It's like what I used to drink, I would like tell people I love them. Now I'm sober. I don't tell anyone I love them. Now I'm sober, I just, I'm more sober. Right, like I'm just like rigid. That's the benefit of some drugs is that they allow you to relax whatever insecurities you have and just be cool with people. So my girlfriend speaking of drugs, she's on like serious blood thinners because she just had a stroke. Oh, Jesus Christ. Hold on. She's like a couple weeks ago. She's 85. Yeah. No, she, so when we started dating two and a half years ago, she had, she was about to get open heart surgery.

1:17:26Yeah, like she told me that on our first date. Oh my God. Yeah. And this is like something she's born with. It was a congenitive heart thing, mitrovalve, she had a mitrovalve leak. Oh, Jesus. And she found it out, she 37. And so four months into our dating, she got open heart surgery. Oh my God. Yeah. And then everything was going well. And then like, this is like this month. Like, I don't know, maybe a month ago, I'm going to see a screening of my friends' movie, this really great comic is about a Hagen had funded her own movie. I'm going to see it, we're going to meet. And she calls me and she says her, she can't see out of her left eye, she's on the subway.

1:18:01And we had to like call an ambulance and like rush to the hospital. And like, the crazy thing is the ambulance did not take us right away. Like we got in there and they like had to make her fill out her insurance. Oh my God. For like 20 minutes. Oh my God. That's so great with one eye. With one eye. Oh my God. That's so crazy. I thought an ambulance just goes. I thought they'd go too. They were like getting the insurance. She's like dying. They're like, what's a group member ID number? Oh my God. And then they finally went and there was no siren. We just had the ambulance without the siren. Oh my God.

1:18:35Pointless, you know. So ambulance and traffic. Ambulance and traffic. We get to this like ER type place. They think she's having a stroke. And we had like a person on TV. It was like Black Mirror. They got like some neurologist who was like on vacation. She just they brought the TV in, like a TV and she was on the video. The camera was moving around the room, looking at people who so bizarre. And she said if it's a stroke, she had to go on like really intense, like blood thinner for the day. And that there were so intense there, if she even bumped her head, she could get bleeding in the brain.

1:19:08So they had to like observe her for like a day on these really, like she couldn't go anywhere. Because if she she bled so easily on these blood thinners, she said to stay put. Yeah, so they gave it to her. She started bleeding out of her mouth right away. She had like a cut in her mouth. She was like smiling like blood coming out of her mouth. And then and then the craziest part is, so they had to take her to the ICU to observe her. But we weren't at an ICU. We had like a ER that didn't have people stay the night. So we had to even though she was on these blood thinners, because you had to go on them for four hours, they had to put her an ambulance in the brain.

1:19:42And we had to drive to a place where she couldn't move for a day because she could get if she got hit. Oh my God. Her head was like all the glass. Oh my God. It was insane.

1:19:54The lot of problems with like EMTs and people like that, it's not a problem, but it's part of the job is they get real accustomed to people being fucked up and dying. I know that yeah, they didn't seem to have to be that urgent. It's kind of crazy. Like I've talked to friends that worked as EMTs and they have the most morose senses of humor. And they're so used to people dying. And they tell you story, they all have PTSD. They're all fucked up. They all get to gunshot wounds and they all see, no more shit, car accidents, the worst shit. Motorcycle crashes. For us, it was like a huge emergency, but for them it's just a stroke.

1:20:29She's her head's intact, whatever. Oh my God, it's so crazy. She lost, she can't get it back. She has like a blind spot right now. Oh my God. Yeah. No way it's coming back or? She's got any use to sing out both eyes, but when she closes one eye, there's like this, it's like your forehead would be like a little lighted out. Oh my God. And I don't think it's gonna come back. She's doing great. She's like handled it very well, but yeah, it was sad we left the hospital after like a couple days. And the saddest part is like we went outside and there's like a sunrise or a sunset. And she's like, I can't, it doesn't look very pretty to me.

1:21:03Oh no. Yeah, it was awful, but she's gotten a lot, I think she can see a lot, she's more adjusted to it. But I feel so old. I'm like, my girlfriend had a stroke. I got a pastrami sandwich for her there and I felt like just an old Jewish couple just eating a pastrami sandwich for two years. After one of them had a stroke. After one of them had a stroke, like, hey, I'd take your pastrami. But, you know, I'd never thought in a million years I'd be the healthier one in the relationship.

1:21:33That's the luck of the draw. It's nice and even that. Like when she had open heart surgery, we were both, I make a bit about this, but we were both kind of equally out of breath. We go up subway stairs and we'd both just be like, oh Jesus Christ. Yeah. But she's doing, she's doing, she's doing great and she's, you know, she, she handled it very well. She's like a better person than me, which is kind of annoying. So even in the hospital, she was like super worried about, she's a therapist, you're super worried about like her patients while she was having a stroke. Oh, wow. It's kind of annoying when people are like, that good.

1:22:05Yeah. Yeah. And that's the kind of therapist you want. Yeah. So if she doesn't get jaded by the world. Not yet. Therapist, that's another one. I mean, you gotta think everyone's out of the fucking mind because everybody you're talking to is out of their fucking mind. Oh, yeah. And she sees people like, it's, you know, she helps, she's a social worker's therapist. So she helps people who have like, you know, typically can't afford. Like, so it's not, it's not why people problem therapy. Right. It's like, you know, safety planning. Yeah. You know, how do I, you know, that kind of stuff. Right. It's not like, I feel unhappy.

1:22:39It's like your husband beat you. How do we get you out of the house? Ooh. You know, boy. Yeah, she has intense life. But it's nice to date because to me, the hardest part about dating someone is their job. They have to tell boring work stories. And you just have to deal with it. Right. But her stories are never boring. They're always like insane shit, you know? I guess that's better. I mean, she's better than pretending you care about like her friend being mad at her at the, you know, whatever. After certain important time, you might look for that. Yeah, man. I'm looking for nonsense talk now.

1:23:12I like heavy. Do you? I think so. Even when she told me she had about to get open heart surgery, I mean, I like to, I'm excited. But I was like, I'm not, I don't, I don't like shy away from that stuff, you know? That's probably a good sign. Yeah, yeah. No, it feels like we've been married for like 25 years now. Wow. Yeah, you've gone through a lot, right? Yeah. You really learn about someone, someone's going through heart surgery. How do you react to it? In the hospital, when she had it, there's like, have you ever been to the hospital if someone gets surgery? There's like a giant terminal thing that shows everyone's names and it says like in the middle, if they're in the middle surgery or not.

1:23:49And then sometimes it'll just flash canceled. And they're like, that person died. But I think they just like, they can't live in surgery. But yeah, it's intense. But I got a couple good bits out of it. And that's what's important. Did she get upset that you got bits about it? Uh, no. No. Maybe she might have been disturbed a little by the speed in which I, well, it's tough. I was in a rut a little. And you know, sometimes you're in a rut with comedy. And then something crazy happens. It's just a common, you know what I mean? Yeah, the problem is if it involves someone else. We get in that, we get in that argument a lot.

1:24:29Yeah. Which I get, I mean, she's not a comedian. She wouldn't give a shit. Like I just want to be personal, right? I want to bravely disclose all her personal. I don't want to bravely disclose all her. And now that's trouble. You're having dealing with her open heart. Yeah, I'm a very brave for bringing this stuff up about you. Absolutely. I feel that way. But, uh, but yeah, no, but she's, yeah, she's amazing. And yeah, it's my first, like, serious relationship. And I'm already in like, like, serious, and I'm already, it's I went from like, your first ever real serious one? Like moving in with the person.

1:25:04Oh, wow. I know. I'm like 40. But you're a comic and it's like, it's so hard for comics to just settle down to just staying put and doing things with a person and hang up. You're just so used to just running from club to club and set to set and meet in your friends and it just becomes a bizarre lifestyle. Especially when I moved to New York. I got into the cellar. And at that point, like, it's really hard to date people because you get a lot of spots and you can see anyone. But, yeah, your night times are filled. Yeah, exactly. And they get mad. You don't have to do a set tonight, but I do. Yeah, you have to.

1:25:35I remember when I was dating this girl who was 25 and she was like, you don't have to go up tonight. I'm like, but I do. I suck. I need to get better. This is only one way to do it. I know. But I am working with my therapist about realizing that, like, you know, I always for years saw the person you're relationship with is somehow like an enemy of your artistic process. You know, like they're there to stifle you. It's an unhealthy way of thinking. And I've tried to work about it. How did you develop that way of thinking you think? I think my mom, though she's great, was like pretty overbearing.

1:26:11Like a Jewish mother. And I think I, she was so kind of like always like overbearing, like always wanting to know what's going on. And then I think my response was like, go in my room and shut people out. And so I think I'm afraid, you know, she's a Jewish mother. So she tells me what everything to do at all times. Right. So I think I've associated intimacy with someone. I came up with this was my therapist brought this up. I'm not smart enough to realize this. But I think I associate intimacy with someone trying to stifle me. Right. You know, as opposed to like something where you're trying to, you know, be in something.

1:26:45But that also can happen if you as someone who has, they don't understand it. Like if they have unreal expectations, they expect you to just quit doing. Like I have a friend and he was a good comic. And he was dating this woman who wanted him to get a job. And he was doing pretty good. You know, he wasn't like headlining all the places but he was middling quite a few places. And like he had some bits that were bangers. He had some good bits. And he could have been a really good comic. And he got divorced a couple of years later. Like I ran into him three years later. He got divorced. He was trying to do comedy again.

1:27:16But he hadn't done comedy in three years. And he lost all of his momentum and he couldn't get spots and no one gave a shit. And everybody else had kind of moved on and moved up. And that's a bad relationship. Cause she doesn't understand him or like she thinks like, my thing is my girlfriend doesn't think that way. And I sometimes find myself projecting that onto her. Cause I project like she'll just be like, I'm not comfortable with you doing this joke. And I'm like, quick try to silence me. I think the thing was with this guy is that he was in his thirties and it hadn't happened yet. Yeah. And it was one of those probably the parents, like what is he doing?

1:27:52What if he doesn't make it, you know? Right, right. Like have you ever experienced that? I had a girl that I was dating when I was 21 and her father said that, like what if he doesn't make it? Like that I'm first of all, I'm fucking 21. Yeah, I'm a little kid. Right, leave me alone. Yeah, yeah. But second of all, like who not? Yeah, he's right. He's like, who fucking knows? I might not make it, but I'm gonna try. I'm not gonna not try because I might not make it. That's a pussy's way to live life. Of course. And like, yeah, I mean, you have to like, I don't know. I mean, to me, it's not about make it.

1:28:23But if you love something, do it. And do it even if you're broke. I mean, to me, it's, I don't believe in like, I don't, I don't think of things as having a safety plan. David Mammett, I think with him said that, like don't have a safety plan because you're under a fall back on it. Yeah, that's common. You don't have a net. Don't have a net. You will fall. I think you just have to, if you love something, like for me, I love comedy. I love making movies. I'm focused on that. That's wonderful. But there are guys that are doing open mic nights for 25 fucking years and they're still terrible. Yes.

1:28:52Maybe those guys should move on. Oh, 100 % that's what I'm saying. The question is, are you one of those people, right? And you, well, at 21, I really did know with how many of those people, but you have to at least give it a chance. And if you're dating someone that doesn't want you to do something wild and take a chance, like, this is not gonna work. Yeah, it's definitely good. Especially if you have a kid, I feel like it's definitely good to already have a career of some, like I have a career. It's not like amazing, but it's a career. Yeah. And that helps, like, it's like, I am making money.

1:29:23But it's really tough if you're like, don't make money if you're in a relationship. Especially if you have a kid. Oh, if you have a kid and you're starting out as a comic boy, that is a fucking uphill slog. You're fuck, because then you're also selfish now. Like you're selfish if you're taking spots when you should be good. So that's tough, you know? Well, if you live in the city, at least you can do it when everyone's asleep. Right, right. When I was living in L .A., I would do 10 o 'clock shows. So I'd be at home and then everybody's basically going to bed. I'm like, I'm going out. I'm going to go do shows.

1:29:51So I do shows from 9 p .m. on. That's true. But how was it hard when you first had a kid like? Yeah, it's crazy. That's got to be tough doing comedy, like. It's crazy. But it's also, you know, the thing is, like, they go to bed early. And as long as you have a spouse that understands what's going on and she's cool with it, you can go out and do sets. Yes. But if you're starting out then, and this is like this pipe dream that you have, and you're not making any money doing it, that's a totally different thing. Like I was already a headline, arrows up on television, those where you make money. Like that's how we made money.

1:30:23I had to go do comedy. Exactly. So that's a job, but it's not a dream. You know, it's like, if you're chasing a dream in your 36 and you have three kids and you want to quit your job at the accounting company, like yikes. Now you're kind of being an asshole. Well, it's also, it's like, what are they? You better get really fucking good before you quit that job. Like, how are you going to have the time to get really fucking good? Yeah, exactly. You want to, like, if you're going to have a kid, I think we talked about, it's a possibility at some point. It's like, you want to at least make enough money in your career that if you had a kid, you'd actually just have to work hard at your career.

1:30:56As opposed to getting another career. Right, exactly, exactly. And it's like, there's a lot of people that are, they have the dream of stand up, but they probably haven't really gone at it 100%. Yeah, well, that's the end thing. And they still have this thing in the back of their head that one day they will and one day they'll really bear down and really start writing and really start performing more often and going up more than twice a week and they just don't. And then they get into the situation where like, oh my god, everyone's kind of passed me by. All the guys I started out with are now working professionals touring the road and I'm still stuck in LA.

1:31:29Right, right, right. Yeah, you have to work hard at it. We were talking about if we had a kid, like, I was like, talking to him, I was like, well, you know, on the weekend, I'd be on the road, but during the day, during the week, I'd babysit the kid and she's like, doesn't feel like you're very serious if you're referring to it as babysit. You're your own kid. Yeah, you can't say, what'd you do all day? I babysat. Oh, whose kid's mine? What does it seem like you're really committed to it? No, I babysit the kid. You have a very clear responsibility and it's not yours. I'll do your drive for you if you want to take a nap.

1:32:04Then you go back to it. I'll babysit the kid for you. You do back to being the boss of the kid. Just pay me $10 an hour.

1:32:13That's a give me, give me what number to call if anything goes wrong. Yeah, that's hilarious. But yeah, it's, yeah, having a kid is scary, but you know, I think it's good, you know? I think it's good, but it's not good for everybody and it's not good, depending upon what kind of relationship you're in. Right. You definitely can't do it to save. Oh my God, I've seen that happen before. I was like, what are you doing? Are you crazy? You guys are about to break up and now you have the kids? Yeah, that's the work. No, it's like, we're about to keep us together. Yeah, but sort of I guess. Yeah, I mean, you'll always talk.

1:32:44I feel like kids break people apart more than anything. They break some people apart. They bring some people closer. They definitely brought me and my wife closer. Really? Yeah, it's not a, it doesn't have to be a negative thing. It's just like comics look at it as a thief of their time. I know. And, you know, Louis said it best. You said you just got to let it change you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that was really good advice. Because it definitely changes you and you can't resist it. You just got to be who you are now. You're just a different person now. Now, now you're a person that's watching babies come out of your wife's body and then grow up and talk to you and you take them to do things together and you have fun laughing together.

1:33:19It's like this very strange thing where a life that did not exist now exists. Right. And you love it more than anything you've ever loved in your life. You love this person. And you love it no matter if the kid is like telling a boring story like it goes beyond. Like with your friends, you're like, every story's got to be entertaining, you know? But with people you love, it's like, you just love them. I talked to my kids about the most boring shit. But to them, it's not boring. You know, like they're like to talk about bands they like and stuff they like and it's interesting. You know, it's fascinating to watch their little minds grow and the way they interface with the world and see them develop skills and things.

1:33:55Yeah, all my siblings have kids, they're a lot of fun. It's time to do it if you're 40. I know, I keep on asking like I'm rushing, I keep on acting like I'm rushing into things. I'm like, I don't know, it seems so quick and then I'm like, wait, I'm 40 years old. I always think I'm rushing into things when it's actually like the last chance. Or at least the last chance of the, you know, we will, it's gonna be a little unhauled because of the stroke. Yeah, I would say that's probably good news. Jesus Christ. She's on blood fitters now. She's like a hemophiliac. How long does she have to stay on the rails?

1:34:25What? How long does she have to stay on those? For until they figure out what kind of cause they're like. Roger Hills is a hemophiliac? Mm -hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesus. That's a scary one. I know. Anybody could just punch you to death. Yeah, or just, yeah. Just give me a bloody nose and you bleed out. Yeah, it's crazy. That's nuts. Yeah, that's how she, well, I mean, she's not like that now, but in the ICU she's basically hemophiliac, yeah. And so she has to stay on these for how long? I think they're trying to find out exactly. They still don't know what caused the stroke. Wow. They assume it's something to do with a heart surgery.

1:34:56Makes sense. Either that or God hates her and just giving her a bunch of shit. A double whammy to deal with. But I think it's, yeah, I think they'll find out, but yeah, hopefully not. I mean, I think she'd have to get off if we had a kid. We have like six nephews and nieces. So you've got baby fever a little bit. Seems like you keep talking about it. Um, a little bit. A little bit. A little touch. A little touch. A little touch, you know. A little touch to see. But also like, also like not having a kid. I don't know. They both have good points and bad points. For sure. I don't think everybody needs to.

1:35:31But you know, there's a lot of people that have kids to say everybody should have a kid. I think you can have a wonderful life without having children. I think it's totally possible. But the people killed their kids, probably shouldn't have had kids. Everybody should have it. I read this horrible story about this child prodigy that like the mother trained this child to do ever. And then they rebelled at 18 and she killed them. Oh my God. Yeah, well rebelled against the thing. I forget what I got so disturbed by it. I turned the page, but I was reading about this. But that person shouldn't have had a kid.

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1:38:02You can be kind of a dick, but it's not that big of a deal. But then if you have a kid and you're still a dick, now you're like a bad person. Where before you're just like kind of a dick, yeah. Or you're just exuding excellence in broadcasting. Yeah.

1:38:19Kind of makes sense why he's so cocky. The guy was like flying high all day. Wait a minute. Rush. Yeah. That's excellence in broadcasting. Yeah, that was his thing, right? Excellence in broadcasting. Rush Limbo. Just that never at once just be a piece. It just made me think too, like this whole idea of conservators being like buttoned down sober people, like look at the world clearly. No, you're fucking main guys. Pilled out of his fucking mind. Spouted out nonsense. I know. Obama's from Kenya. We'll be right back. They're like, they're like the real fucking hippies on all these drugs. Well, as long as this prescribed by a doctor, it's not a drug.

1:38:59That's how I go, man. Doctor said the doctor said I told the doctor I have a natural problem to be a prescription. It's so funny to be like that. I have a real problem. We'll just prescribe it for you. That is so wild that they said that to you. I know. It was insane. That's so wild. Yeah, well, you need it. You obviously are on it. You shouldn't get off of it. Because then you could die or something. You could fucking be slow and not as... It was hard to get off. It's hard to like go back to writing without it. Oh, yeah. There's tough, but you know, I had to do it. And I can't go back on it now, because I would chain smoke on it.

1:39:32And I quit smoking. And honestly, that's more worrisome. Like if I took an ad or all, I would just chain smoke again. It seems like a lot of coping. A lot of things going on in your head right now. Talking about this. Oh, wait, what do you mean? Because it always has a grip on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, well, maybe I could go back. But then I would start chain smoking. And I don't want to do that. So I don't want to go back. Let's do it. Let's relapse right now. It's fucking crushed. I'm going to start ignoring them. Lloyd Bridges from Airplane. Bad day to get back on the ad or all.

1:39:56Yeah, I've avoided those, but I've been curious about Ad or all. Have you never done it? Nope. Never done cocaine. Never done Ad or all. So you're not... Yeah, but when I was a kid, I got very lucky and not lucky, but one of my friends, his cousin, was addicted to coke. And I watched this guy's life completely fall apart. He was selling coke. And he was like, you got bit by a vampire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he was a different person. Like he was a real skinny and like look all gaunt and shit. And just coped up all the time and fucked up. You're not supposed to use your own supply. That's like a big deal.

1:40:29Well, he didn't follow the rules. He didn't follow the coke. I think a lot of him don't follow the rules. He wasn't like a businessman. He was a guy who got coke and sold some of it. Such a nerd. But that's not drug dealer protocol. I mean, it's from the biggie. They're 10 crack commandments. 10 crack commandments. Don't get high after your own supply. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I did a lot of coke back in the day too. I mean, you see a lot of sunrises. Oh yeah. Which is pretty. That's a good way to look at it. I've seen way more sunrises now than I would have if I didn't do coke. But what about when you were getting up at farmer hours?

1:41:07You saw a lot of sunrises then too? Yeah, but I was a kid. I didn't appreciate it. You know. Like at a roll. When you're a kid, you're never like, oh, well, look at a beautiful sunrises. And it's easier to stay awake than it is to get up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good point. A great point. If you're on Adderall, it's way easier to just stay up. That's something like a profound line in a song. Yeah. Like a Dylan line. It's easier to. When I was young, I used to love staying up all night. I used to think it was awesome that I would be going to bed with everybody who was running around. Oh yeah.

1:41:34It is just my favorite thing. It's a sacred time. I have this comedian in front of mine. He had a great comic, Ben Moore. He had an awful sleeping schedule where he would literally go to bed at 9 in the morning. And woke up at 5 p .m. At the end of the day, whatever it was like ending. Was he a comic? Yeah. Yeah. That's comic life. Yeah. That's a little too much. That's a lot. You need sunlight. Yeah. Every now and then, you probably shouldn't do that. But every now and again, do it. I don't think it's so bad. But I like it. I like sunlight. Yeah. I like sunlight. Yeah, you know. It's good for you.

1:42:07So you can invite him in D. How you stay healthy? But when I was like in my early 20s when I lived in New York, I would stay up all night all the time. Really? Yeah, I'd go to bed. No, I don't cook. It's very impressive. Just high on life. Playing pool mostly. Oh, you're a big pool guy? Yeah. So, like, I'd go to the clubs and afterwards go to the pool hall, play pool to a four o 'clock in the morning, go to a diner, get something to eat, my friends, six o 'clock in the morning. I was hanging out with just complete derelicts. Uh -huh. Like pool hustlers and crazy people and comics, you know, so it was like no one was normal.

1:42:39And so then it was normal. So I called someone at five o 'clock. I said, I just woke up. They would think it was funny. It was like, I was up all night. It was normal. It wasn't like you, loser. Right. You're living the crazy young life. And you liked it, huh? It was a good time. It was a good time. I was impressed that you could do that without cocaine. I feel like that's very impressive. Yeah, but when you're playing pool all night and you're drinking coffee and just hanging out, it's the time. And also I was so used to it. Oh, so I didn't have anything to get up for. Right. I didn't have a job.

1:43:06That's when you're doing comedy. Yeah. I just started making money doing comedy. So I had enough money that I, that comedy for the first time in my life was like legitimately paying my bills. Oh wow. Paying my rent. I had a car. Like I was driving around to gigs. I was doing like headliner gigs in Connecticut and Jersey, like 500 bucks there, 350 there. So every week I was making like a good amount of money and I was just having a good time. That's great. I always, they always talk about like the moment where you start making it and you can quit your day job. Yeah. But never happened. I had it.

1:43:36I would have day jobs and make a little money on comedy and then the day job would want to fire me because I wasn't there enough. But I'd like, no, I need this job. I don't make enough in comedy. And then they'd fire me. I'd be like forced to like focus on comedy. How many years in did you become a complete professional? I think like 11. Oh wow. So you really did keep a job for, do you think a job held you back or do you think it helped you? No, I only had like shitty like kind of like part -time job. Right. I think around, I started opening for Castley Madigan on the road and that's when I first started having money and she was great and it was great working with me.

1:44:10She's hilarious. She's amazing and I really learned a lot from her and she's one of the best. And that's where I first kind of had money where I could like actually move to New York. I think I had part -time jobs and I was just living with my parents and doing comedy on the road, going to like the loony bins and taking gray hounds. I took gray hounds everywhere. It was, I paid my dues. No. It would take like an 18 hour gray hound. Oh, I did that a couple of times. It's insane. It was bus trips to a gig or the DMV on wheels is just the most depressing, weird fucking people. Like, where are you in normal walks of life other than Walmart?

1:44:46You're like, yeah, how did you even get on a bus? You're like, oh, I've heard like the craziest shit on like the gray hound is just like an insane. But I was like, that's the only guy who cut a guy's head off on a gray hound. I used to have a bit about it because you know, like other comics, other comics, other comics have like the observational airplane material. Right. But I wasn't doing well enough to airplane. I'd open all my bits with gray hound material. Oh, wow. Just got here from the gray hound. I had a bit about like how I was surprised the bus even stopped after that. Usually they just keep on going, hope the shit works itself out.

1:45:18That guy, what was he who's just like schizophrenic or something? He cut some guy's head off that was sitting next to him. He schizophrenic. It was a carnage. Canada man who behead bus passenger granted freedom. What? The Canadian legal system is insane. Wait, what? Yeah. No, he got out. He's like, he got out. He's been granted freedom. Full freedom? Yeah. No, it's crazy. When you read this, it'll make you like appreciate America. He was deemed not criminally responsible and received mental health treatment. A review board in Manitoba ordered his discharge without monitoring, saying he did not pose a significant threat.

1:45:55Will you behead someone on a bus, aren't you a significant threat? I just feel like once you've beheaded someone, that's it. That's it for you. Oh my God. Right? He removes internal organs. It ate the pain. He stabbed him. He stabbed him. Oh my God. The attack began without warnings, alerted by screams from the victim, the driver stopped the bus and fled with the passengers. As Mr. Baker continued his attack, he was found not criminally responsible in 2009 for the killing, spent seven years in treatment, secure wing of a psychiatric hospital. The voice told me, I was the third story of the Bible that I was like the second coming of Jesus and I was to save people from a space alien attack.

1:46:34He also said he was really sorry for what he did. It's funny back -to -backed. It's the best of things. I was a third. Completely out of context. Generally, I'm not a fan of that, but in this stretch, I put that back up. I like how they talk in a completely out of context and said, really sorry in quotes. Not even dot, dot, dot. I was killing to prevent space aliens, but also, I bad. Are you sorry? I'm really sorry. I'm really sorry. Okay. There's something about really sorry and that's just very funny for that. Well, it definitely doesn't pose a significant threat to the safety of the public.

1:47:10Imagine. Imagine if that's your friend, this guy cut your friend's head off and they just let him out. It's insane. They could radio lab about this. Like, in America, if you behead someone, that's like the end of your - That's a wrap. That's a wrap. It should be. I feel like once you cut off a head, there's no resuscitating your career. But there, they just like observed him for a little bit. He believed the victim was an alien. Well, he had his reasons. You're about the lady in California that smoked weed and she stabbed her boyfriend. She killed him. She stabbed him like 11 times, something crazy, and they deemed her not criminally responsible because she went psychotic.

1:47:46She had a psychotic break. But here's the meat. Was she really sorry? She was really sorry. She was really sorry. She was really sorry. I think she said really, really. Really, really. I think we're good. I feel like that guy needed another really. I feel like - That is one of those moments where I go, okay, if that was a man that did that to a woman and had the same excuse, I do not think anybody would buy it. No. Not for a fucking second. Just to be like, woman, oh, 108 times, excuse me. Excuse me. 108 times. Did I say 11? He said 11. I met 108. What the fuck? California, I forgot. A potent strain of pot.

1:48:21Yeah. That's a really potent. It was really potent, dude. Relax. Stop being so judgey. I mean, it was really potent. Do they have to call it potent? She wanted Jail Scott free. She was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. What is the difference between involuntary and vol - I didn't mean to kill him. I only stabbed her one. 108 times. Yeah, I guess involuntary is... One time it should be attempted murder. And if you actually killed him, it's murder. Well, yeah, of course. Right. That's one style. Premeditated comes in from murder. Right. Okay. Wait a minute. Isn't it a second degree murder if it's not premeditated?

1:48:56Oh, man. I think that's what it is. I don't know. That's the second degree murder. You don't mean to... Yeah, man's law does an accident. Isn't it aware that premeditated is worse? Because the other one is kind of like, oh, he could kill at any time without warning. But that should get a lesser sentence. Yeah, kind of crazy. I feel like that's the scarier one. The premeditated is like, at least you... At least you might know if he's planning it again because he plans it, you know? I see what you're saying. But the other one is reasons. But the guy on the bus is like, I could kill anyone at any time.

1:49:25And they're like, well, that's not as bad. Although the two were dating, Spencer told the outlet she never considered Amelia her official boyfriend and said she told him she no longer had any romantic interest in him two days before killing him. Okay. She claimed he was aggressive, intimidating, and had an attempt or she told the outlet. So when he encouraged her to hit a bong on the day of the stabbing, she gave into the pressure, then went into a deadly psychosis. Well, I think her alibis that he was really annoying. He seemed super annoying. He got real loud and yelling. Yeah, that should have for a while.

1:50:01Yeah, super shouty. Fuck that guy. That's a guy doing that. But also... So we're both accountable. Oh my God. But there's obviously been more attention to my part versus Chad's part. The part where the guy got stabbed 108 times. I feel like people are really focused on me. Yeah, I just don't think it's the full story. Such sexism and bullshit. I stabbed him 108 times, but like he was so... Raised his voice a lot. He got shouty. Yeah, but they're just focusing on the... And he scared me. Okay. He fucking raised his voice. That's the process. Stabbing someone 111 times. 108. I'm sorry. 108. That wasn't that potent.

1:50:39Hyperbolears. Although I don't know how they say potent weed. And they're super potent. And if that's the strand, like you're going to the drugstore, they're like, this strand will have you stab your boyfriend. Month before the fatal encounter, O'Melia's roommate also had an extreme reaction after smoking out of the same bomb. Goldstein said, he suffered hallucinations and fear of death. But that just sounds like he got too high. That's just one of every time I get out. That fucking bomb is the guy I have. Yeah. She only smoked pot less than a half a dozen times prior to the stabbing. Her lawyer said, describing her as a naive user.

1:51:10She's naive. But just imagine the sex is being reversed. She got really yelling. And I got real nervous. And, you know, I only smoked pot like six times before that. Oh, well that didn't work. Oh, in that case. Yeah. Are you really, really sorry? Well, also, like, what about her part? Well, I guess she was kind of responsible. It's just funny that they're using weed like it's like it's a bath salts. Right. Crystal meth. Exactly. It was a really strong weed. 31 % THC. That's pretty high, son. But it's like, no matter what. Of course it's caution for high tolerance users only. Yeah, but the problem is, the side effects are the effects of marijuana do not match that at all.

1:51:51No. It's the opposite. I don't, yeah, that's, I think that's on her. Los Angeles -based dispensary found marijuana flower for sale legally with TH levels as high as 39%. That's even more potent. Similarly, levels were available Friday from a local competitor. But yet, no one's run around stamping people. It's just so crazy that they accepted that. That sounds so nuts. And you talk about victim blaming. Well, what about child? Child was really shy. And the nevermind. Yeah. You never mind then. That's his name, right? Child. That name. No. It's not a good name for a guy that got stabbed. Automatically.

1:52:27Unless her name's Karen. Automatically, you're going to be a... It was Sean. Sean. But it's like what we said. No, Chad. Chad. Yeah, killing him, Chad. I don't know why it's this Sean here. Chad. People don't even care about the guy's fucking name. It's Father Sean. I mean, like, yeah, that's what we talked about before when the drug brings out who you are inside. Right. Like the killing of the stabbing someone 108 times, that's you. But also, how do you keep doing it? After you do it one or two times. How do you keep... How do you keep... That's so crazy. Like, your arm must be tired. You stabbed him a hundred and eight times.

1:53:01It's actually a pretty impressive workout. You should probably hurt yourself. Yeah. What about that? What about that? She got hurt too. What about that? It's a good point. Yeah. I couldn't imagine ever seeing those roles reversed. No way. Yeah, I stabbed her a hundred and eight times. But here's the thing. She was real naggy. She put shouting. And... I was pretty high. Yeah, really high. And I don't get that high. Is that... All right. You are. Only small pop five or six times. That's not like the first time. Like, five or six times is like, you know what we does. But we doesn't... Doesn't do that.

1:53:35It doesn't make you kill people. No. No. I mean, you can go crazy though. You can freak out. Some people freak out. They really do. But that... She must have really despised that guy. And that might have been like popped out of her. That's not... You remember with this fucking idiot. That's in there. Not that deep. It's not like you're just like, yeah. Fuck. Yeah. Hundred and eight times. I mean, I've had like... You know, you get... I get anxious on weed. Yeah. But you don't go around stabby. No, I just sit there thinking everyone's going to hate me and I'm going to die. I don't like think about stabbing people a lot.

1:54:06Eight times. That is... That is excessive. If you did anything a hundred times on your high, you meant... You probably meant to do it. Yeah, it seems like if you hit a hundred and eight golf balls, that's what you're trying to do. It's about the max you could do. You get pretty fucking tired. You look more on Adderall with that amount of stabbing. That sounds so crazy. I want to know if she was on anything else along with it. Because, you know, like, if you mix, like, Zoloft with cocaine is very dangerous. Oh, really? There are certain things that you... If you mix stuff with, no bueno. Really?

1:54:35Yeah, people lose their fucking marbles. What's bad with Prozac? I'm on Prozac. That's a good question. I shouldn't know. What is bad with Prozac? Let's find out. If you're on Prozac, should you be taking Edibles? Oh, boy. What happens? Don't know. I take one every night. Oh, well, you're the test. It's fine. For you. I was looking up... That's the thing. It's like what's fine for you. It's not fine for everybody. I was looking up Nikewell because I was taking... I also take a sleeping pill. I wanted to see if Nikewell... Here it goes. Okay. You shouldn't take... It may increase your risk for bleeding problems.

1:55:08Oh, a couple of strokeers. Make sure your doctor knows if you're also taking other medicines that thin the blood, including non -stortal anti -inflammatories. Like, I'd be profan. Uh... Well... I think I'd be able all the time. It interacts with monoamine oxidase inhibitors, MAOIs, other anti -depressants, and blood thinners. I feel like I'm okay. I can't make sure it's my girlfriend's medication. That's saying don't take ayahuasca, though. Oh, really? Yeah. I'm not really. I don't think I would take ayahuasca. Well, don't do it. I'm sorry to interrupt you. If you're on the Prozac, don't do it.

1:55:44I'm not interested in that. It says non -stortal anti -inflammatories and MAO inhibitors. And that's one of the ingredients. Serious bleeding, serotonin syndrome. What's this guy's bleeding? I think it's about the blood thinning stuff. Oh, really? Manufactured Prozac recommends that you avoid drinking an alcohol while all taking his drug. Hey, I don't drink. There you go. Alcohol can worsen, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Hey, I think I'm good. Okay. I think I'm good. Just don't take my, yeah, girlfriend's blood thinners. Does the Prozac make you kind of speedy at all? No. No. I have a really bad anxiety.

1:56:22I've had my whole life. And it was on Paxle for like 10 years. And then I tried to get off of it. Like, what is Paxle? What is that one? It's like an ant. It's just another SSRI. And I got off of it like five years ago. Just weaned off of it. And then like six months later, I had the worst panic of my life. I basically was dizzy for like three months straight. Oh, boy. I had a panic attack at every show. Just on stage. Every open mic. I'd have an open mic or whatever. I'd have a panic attack on stage. It was awful. And I was super dizzy. And it was my psychiatrist said it wasn't even withdrawal.

1:56:58This is the same one that gave you the out -of -roll prescription. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Well, that was it. Louisville. Louisville. After I went to rehab, I was like, maybe I should get a different shrink. Um, but he, uh, I had like terrible like to me. This is what I had to get on something else. So I got on Prozac and it helped a little with that. Is there anything else it helped other than Prozac? Is there any activities that I don't have to like, have my girlfriend, you know, have a poor her with having sex for too long? It helped that, you know. because it makes you, well actually it keeps you from getting it up.

1:57:35Oh. But I don't have that problem, so it definitely okay. So the Paxel was helping you in a different way than the Prozac? I think it was the same thing, I just didn't want to go back on Paxel because Paxel had a lot of weight gain. Oh. So I went on Prozac and then gained the weight anyway. And what was the difference in the way you felt on Paxel versus on Prozac? Both of them made, honestly made me feel kind of like the same, which is just like a somewhat anxious person. The problem was when I was on Paxel, I thought I didn't need it. But the reason I thought I didn't need it is because I was on it.

1:58:09You know what I mean? That's the problem with people who get off anti -depressants. They're like, well I don't need it. That's because it's working. All right. So when let's just like a problem, I don't know. When I got off of it, it was like a nightmare that anxiety I had. It was like truly like, especially having panic attacks on stage. Jesus. It's so shitty because we all get anxiety, but usually I'd come to believe that anxiety leaves you once you get on stage. Like it's a comfort zone. Right. And I had lost that for a long time. I had had panic all throughout a set. Jesus. Yeah, it was awful.

1:58:39Was there anything else that you tried that helped that at all? You know, I try to meditate. Did that do anything? It helps a little. Honestly, the thing that helped the most was panic attacks on stage was just continuing to have them to the point where you notice it doesn't destroy the world. Right. Because I would actually still do okay on stage. Actually, people wouldn't really notice. Like, I'd go off after it. That was horrible. They're like, I don't even notice, you know. Which makes you feel more allowed, by the way. The fact that you can have this hell in your head and no one notices. And when you were doing this where there's sometimes you didn't have the hell in your head?

1:59:18Or did it happen every time? I think it happened for those three months, like, almost every time. I mean, sometimes maybe not. Or if I was doing a long set, like an hour, maybe it'd go away after a while. But I honestly think just having them and then realizing it's not a big deal, they can still do the show, that made it go away. Because I think the worst thing you can do is anxiety is run away from it. Like, if you're anxious when you got side, the worst thing you can do is just not go outside. Because then it builds. So having, if anyone has panic attacks on stage, just continuing to have them and letting your brain know that it's not a big deal, that it's not going to destroy you.

1:59:58Then it starts to go away, you know. So now, you know, I'm back to not really having them on stage. But yeah, it was tough. Like, getting off medication was like a hard show. I mean, I kind of wish I was never on it to begin with, you know. Do you wish you were on Prozac to begin with? Or do you think that, like, did something about taking the anti -exotic medication accentuated? When you got off it? Yeah, like the anxiety, did you have the same level of anxiety before you did Paxil that you had when you got off of it? I think it was more like, I mean, it's all a mystery, I guess, why exactly?

2:00:36But I think it was more like, all this anxiety, it was this giant wave of anxiety that I just happened to have in my life. I just come out with it special and I was feeling this like, I had this urge to just like create more stuff. You know that feeling you have where you just want to get out as much stuff because you're afraid you're going to die? I had that urge kind of big. I was like, I got to do the next thing, the next thing. And then actually the way it started, I was at my brother's place and I looked in the mirror and I saw these moles on my back. And I was just convinced they were skin cancer.

2:01:08That's how it began. And not like, I always had hypochondria but this was different. This was like, I knew I was going to die. And then I went to the doctor and they were like, it doesn't look like skin cancer. And then the next day I stood up and it was dizzy. It was dizzy for like three months straight. Jesus Christ. Yeah. I think it was a wave of anxiety just where I was in my life. But for the first time in ten years, I didn't have something to mask it, which I think made it more intense. You know what I mean? How long were you off it for? About like four months and then I slowly got on perfect.

2:01:39Maybe a little more five months. So four months of hell. Yeah, it was awful. And it was just like, yeah, it was awful. So did you have that level of anxiety when you were younger? When I was really young, I would have these really bad screaming fits. Like when I was like eight or nine, I would just suddenly have these moments where I was like, I don't know, this moment of just feeling hopeless or something. I just started yelling. And my parents never knew what it was. I actually would cut myself a couple of times like on the leg just to like distract it. Oh wow. And I had those. And I didn't know what it was.

2:02:11And then in college, I also started doing cocaine, which didn't help. And then I had some like really bad kind of anxiety in college. And that's when I went on a PAXAL originally. You know. Yeah. But no, I've always had like really bad anxiety. Damn. Do you have anxiety? No.

2:02:33That is so funny after this long thing. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? I can get it sometimes. I can talk myself into it. I can talk myself out of it. Yeah. I get anxiety about existential threats. Like I get anxiety about war sometimes like late at night. I get anxiety about like the more I read about history. Yeah. The more I understand, you know, how many times in history society was everything was great and everything was fine. And then all of a sudden some terrible event took place. And then we went back to like the Stone Age. Right. And this is an imminent threat to life that we look at the goings on in the world.

2:03:12As if it's like some plot in a television show that we're watching. You're watching what's happening in Ukraine. You're watching what's happening in Gaza. And you're watching what's happening in Iran. And you're watching all this crazy shit. And it doesn't seem real because it hasn't affected you. But it went late at night when everyone's asleep. That's when it gets me. Right. All the hardest thing. I just started thinking that this ridiculous life that we live. And all the stupid societal conflicts that we have that are mostly meaningless and nonsense. And that they're accentuated constantly in the news all the while.

2:03:49Real people are dying. Right. And like drone suicide bombs. And you can watch them on YouTube. Why aren't you having like culture war arguments? Yeah. I mean, I've seen so many people die on Instagram reels. So many people get blown up by missiles and blown up by drones. And suicide drones slamming into people and detonating them. I watched this guy, some guy, I forget what part of the world it was. But he wore a suicide vest. They tried to stop him. And these guys run and they grab him. And they all explode. They're trying to stop him from pulling the back. And this bomb goes off. And you see just parts of people flying.

2:04:28And you're like, fuck, man. This is all happening in the world right now. It's just not happening right here. You're watching it. You're like, for some reason I'm really anxious right now. Yeah. I get freaked out. And I start thinking about just how fragile our civilization really is. Yeah. Yeah. Completely fragile. Yeah. And we're so soft. We're so accustomed to living this way. Like when the power went off earlier, when we're doing this podcast, what do we do? We wait for it to come back on. Yeah. Someone's going to freak out. Yeah. At least have a bit about that. Like when the dumb people out, fuck the smart people.

2:05:01And the power just goes off. And no one has any idea how to turn it back on again. Like what do you do? Somebody does it. They do it. Yeah. But what if that guy's dead? Like do we know? And when do we know? How long afterward do we figure out the power's not coming back? Right. It's crazy. The world is just functioning off of just this. Yeah. No one's really running the ship. It's just a collective thing of functioning. And we're connected by the most fragile thing we have. Yeah. Which is the power grid in our computer infrastructure. Yeah. All of it can be wiped out in one solar flare. And we take it so much for granted.

2:05:31Yeah. So it's the only reason why we're alive. It's 100 degrees outside. And I have a hoodie on. Right. You know, I'm super comfortable in here. We have air conditioning. We're fine. We're not dying of heat exhaustion. We're not out there dehydrating to death. Yeah. We know where the water is. In fact, we've ignored the fact that nature can be a threat. And we're just so vulnerable. And we're so reliant to keep this civilization going the way it is. Like, think about what we've been talking about today. Like if you go back and watch films from like the 1930s and how horrific people treat each other.

2:06:01And over time, because of our access to all these different human beings and how they feel about things and how they discuss things, all that has kind of elevated our discourse and elevated the way we communicate with each other. And we interact with each other. And we demand more. Right. And there's going to be overcompensation. And things are going to go back and forth. But generally it's moving in the right direction. But that's only because of all of our needs are met. And because there's electricity. Right. Yeah, electricity is the thing that changed everything. When you can stay cool and stay warm, you can live in places you shouldn't be living.

2:06:36Yeah. And then we just have to be a hell -hull to live in without any food. Cities would be unbelievable. All cities would be a hell -hull. Yeah. There's no food. No one's growing food. How do you eat? Well, as soon as trucks stop coming in, everyone's fucked. Yeah. There's no food. You have enough food for like a few hours of everybody eating. And then that's it. Yeah. Yeah. The Gaza stuff is awful. It's horrifying. It's horrible. You know, I'm Jewish, obviously, if you can't tell. I think you brought that up. It's been such a complicated and horrible thing. And it's just horrible all around.

2:07:08It is complicated and horrible. And it's also complicated when you see so much anti -semitism. I know. Like open anti -semitism about all Jews. I know. As if there's like this cabal of evil people that are pulling the strings. I know. I've posted, you know, I think... I hate Nintendo. Who I hate is really government. I think both Gaza and Israel have taken over by extremists. Right. But I've posted concern for anti -semitism. And I've been like attacked by people. Like how can you be worried about that when people are dying in Gaza? I'm like, there's two different things. Yeah, they're both real.

2:07:39Yeah, they're both real. And I have a right to be concerned. Jews have a right to be a little nervy. You should have went down. We have a right to remember. Yeah, we have a right to get cautious. But it's also that's one of the things that I forget who was talking to us about this. It might have been Jordan Peterson, but it was somebody. It was somebody when they were saying that it's one of the hallmarks of a civilization's decline. They start blaming things on the Jews. It is. It's really common. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because Jews stick together. And, you know, they... It's a very difficult club to get into, you know.

2:08:09Well, I think what people have done too is there are a lot of... There is an extremist faction in Israel. Yes. Which, by the way, was being protested for months on end before October 7th. And what people aren't doing, they're not giving Israel the benefit of a conflicted soul. And a lot of the anti -Zionist propaganda is making you think all of Israel is like that. Exactly. But it's no different than another country, like America. It's a conflicted place. There are extremists. And some of them are awful. And Netanyahu has put a lot of them in his government, made a coalition with them. But there's also people who want peace, people who want, you know, Palestinian self -determination.

2:08:47All human beings everywhere in the world. There's good people. It's like if you hated Trump, but then you assume when he was president, everyone in America supported Trump, right? Right. If you thought that, it's like... Right. It's very dehumanizing to think like all of Israel is like just... In support of the genocide in Gaza. Right. And then you see polls. 65 % of people say it's okay to rape Palestinian prisoners. Who did you talk to? Who did you talk to? 65 % of who? Who the fuck is answering that poll? Hey, let me ask you a couple of questions about rape. Who the fuck is answering that? Will you talk about rape in prisoners?

2:09:21I'm all in. By the way, I'm on my way to work. I gotta go. Well, yeah. There's also like... There's obviously a lot of... Israel is done. But a lot of people go beyond that and make it... It's not just like... It's fine to be like they don't put civilians in... Like they don't think about civilians. I understand there's a critique. But a lot of people want to make it look like they're like going out of their way to just only kill civilians. They have a goal. It might be bad and reckless. Yeah, but there's been things like the killing of the aid workers. You know, like the Joseon dresses people.

2:09:52Which just like seems like they were targeted. I don't know. It's hard to believe the purpose for that, the target. To keep people from getting food to the Gaza refugees. Yeah, I don't know. I don't like... I don't have a position. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I mean, that's the... Some people think... The accusation is that they knew who those people were. I think Israel... I think... It's hard for me to believe that that's where they're... I do think they want to get rid of a mass. I think a lot of people have died. It's awful. And I don't think it's worth it all this at all. But I don't think they're like...

2:10:23You don't think that some people have a dehumanization way of looking at Palestinians? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think that's what you're looking at. When you're seeing soldiers rape Palestinians and prisoners. You've seen that video? Yeah, no. That camp is awful. Yeah, the whole... It's awful, truly nightmare. Look, whenever a human being is capable of doing something like that to another human being that they don't even know, they consider that person to the other. You've got a giant problem. And that's the giant problem of being able to just bomb Gaza into oblivion and kill who knows how many thousands of people.

2:10:57It's almost like the United States' reaction after 9 -11. 9 -11? Even we were... The whole world was on our side. Yeah. Everybody wanted America to prosper. We can't believe America was attacked. America, this shining beacon of democracy and self -government. Like, no, not America. Then what do we do? We invade Iraq. Right. And we kill a million people, wind up dying because of our invasion, they think. And then you think about the weapons of mass destruction host. It was all bullshit. Right. It was paraded in the media. So it's like that. It's like our overreaction was so horrific. Then everybody hated America.

2:11:36I agree with that. I do think what Hamas did was so horrific. And they said they're going to keep doing it. It did plant these seeds of hate in Israelis. That... No doubt. Even... I'm in the position where like, obviously this war is terrible. I don't think it should have happened. But I also think it's a lot to ask people to have something so horrific happen. And not them kind of retaliate. So I against it. If that makes sense. I know what you're saying that people would retaliate. It's the way they're retaliating and the scale of this, which is horrific to people. But I also... Yeah. I mean, I think there's dehumanization on both sides.

2:12:09For sure. Well, the only way you can do October 7th is dehumanization. Of course. And I do think people on both sides have tried to demean the other... or trivialize the other person's accountability. I know. It's crazy. And also people pretending as if they know what actually happened and what the stats are. Of course. Yeah. They didn't do that. They didn't do this. Are you on the ground? That's dehumanization. To me, saying like, there's no rape then is dehumanization. All of it is crazy. Like, you don't fucking know what's actually going on. And there's a lot of misinformation that's even printed in mainstream media.

2:12:40Like the bombing of the hospital. There's a lot of shit that happened. That was front pages of the New York Times. There's a lot of shit that happens in the fog of war that people want to know the answer right away. Uh -huh. And I know it's upset hard, but you have to wait sometimes. Like, the fog of war, you're not going to always have the answer right away. I mean, I'm not saying Israel isn't culpable of a lot of things, but you do have to wait. I see people sharing information that's not verified all the time. That just came out where you're like, you don't... Well, that's the hospital bombing.

2:13:07Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what that is. I mean, that made it all the way into newspaper. Exactly. I mean, I think like Nicaragua created a coalition with some really awful people like Smotric and Bengiveer. There are like really Jewish supremacists, real thugs. And I think a lot of anti -Zionists have tried to convince everyone that all of Israel is like that. And I just think, yeah, both... There needs to be less demonization. And just seeing like, yeah, the suffering in God is horrible. It needs to stop. And also like, not every Israeli is part of some evil Zionists, whatever conspiracy.

2:13:44That's its own inverted form of anti -Semitism. Oh, Netanyahu is this super pro -military guy. I mean, he was a special forces guy. Yeah. And he's corrupt and he has charges against him that he's trying to weaken the government to prevent from coming through. And he made a coalition with two people who are truly awful, awful people. And that is really almost... These people want a theocracy in Israel, you know? But that's not all of Israel. People have protested against that. So that's my fear when I'm up in the middle of the night. Yeah. That this kind of shit is going on. That any minute, it could pop off and become a nuclear war.

2:14:21I mean, it's a legitimate fear. So a legitimate fear? I never know if that's anxiety. I don't... Whatever it is. If you ask me if I get anxiety, that's my anxiety. No, I can totally see that. When I get really freaked out, that's what freaks me out. What freaks me out is that it could pop off at any minute. And then all of a sudden it's September 12th, you know? Yeah. But way bigger. Way bigger. Way crazier. Way scarier. And that hasn't happened since 1945. So we assume that it's not going to happen again. Yeah, we had 20 good years and now we think everything. We had like some good time in the 80s and now we're like, yeah, it could never go back.

2:14:54Oh, dude. When the wall fell down, it was amazing. There was like a weight lifted off of America. Like everybody's like, oh, Soviet Union's gone. We don't have to worry about a nuclear war with Russia anymore. And now it's China and Iran and fucking this and that. Oh, my God. It is like most periods of history. People had kind of a shitty life in a volatile period of history. We really like up to like, I guess, after Vietnam and maybe to the, you know, now to the last till everything's kind of fallen apart now. Like it was kind of smooth sailing, I guess, for a little bit. As long as you're in America.

2:15:31Well, yeah, it's not smooth sailing. People are like, nine years were great. Yeah. It was a lot of places where it sucked bad. Well, that's the other thing. Yeah, it's never, it's been shitty for, it's always shitty for someone. That's the thing is we're not used to it. We're not used to it right here. We're very spoiled. Oh, we're so spoiled. Like the Russians are so much more used to it than us. They lost so many people during World War II. Oh, yeah. You know? Well, there was, I was reading this thing about France. This is so crazy that during World War I, France lost 25 % of its fighting age men.

2:16:00And then during World War II, they lost another 25%. It's insane. Like your life. Fuck, man. Well, that's the same life was so cheap. And now we feel like life is kind of expensive. For now, we're like life has value, you know? Yeah. But it's still so cheap for so many people. Well, it is another parts of the world. That's something it's like we're so used to not being attacked. That when something like 9 -11 does happen. Like Pearl Harbor happened. It was five hours over the ocean. That's the only other time we were attacked. Yeah. You know, we're so soft. We are soft. We're soft as baby poo.

2:16:32But we're seeing a lot of violence. I mean, we see every, you see, the guy shot Trump. He had exploded on the roof. You see everything we think that was all about. A guy trying to shoot Trump. He was just a guy trying to, you don't think he has some help? No. No? Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone? Yeah. I'm not good with it. I've got a big conspiracy theory. So the Bill Hicks joke. You don't buy into it. I love the joke. You love the joke. But I'm not a big guy. I'm not a big guy. Have you ever read into that one? I read a little. Yeah. You need to read more. That's one. You really shouldn't be flipping about.

2:17:04They killed that fucking guy. Here's the thing with Trump, though. Like, why would he need, so he got, you thought, like Biden's trying to take him out? I don't think it was Biden. I think it could be a number of people that were involved. But it seems, at the very least, like they were so lacks in security that they were inviting something to happen. At the very least, and knowing that that guy was walking around more than 30 minutes before with a rangefinder. Right. Seeing that guy, he'd come back and forth, they observed him multiple times. People were talking about him. They were keeping an eye on him.

2:17:39And this guy gets on the roof with a rifle and gets off three shots. Well, my thing was a lot of conspiracy theories. It just kind of ignores incompetence. I feel like incompetence is a real thing. Incompetence is a real theory. You know, it's a real thing. Conspiracies. Those are real, too. The problem with dismissing conspiracies as being just a silly conspiracy theories. That was the whole goal, the Warren Commission report. And that was when the term conspiracy theory got into the zeitgeist as a pejorative. I don't dismiss, and I didn't mean to offend. No, you didn't. No, no, no. I don't dismiss.

2:18:13There's huge amount of corruption and horrible things. I just think a lot of times incompetence does play a big part. And I do think like there is incompetence and there's like randomness a lot. Some dude had a really good joke about it. He put up on Instagram. It was very funny. Let me see if I can find it. Maybe you could find it, Jamie. He said that it was basically like if I thought they were going to try to assassinate your attempt, that seems exactly like how the government would do it. Like really inefficient relationship. He said it was like the DMV of assassination attempts. Oh, I find this, dude.

2:18:49Who sent that to me? But like, but it's also, I mean, I guess for me, it's like you also have to like... You find it? I know. I saw it recently, too. I know what you're talking about. Fuck. Somebody sent it to me. I get too many texts. Anything can be real. But I also think the idea that he was a lone shooter is not... That world is not a crazy world. The idea that we're in a violent place. No, I'm not saying he has guns. No, not saying that he wasn't a lone shooter. I think he was a lone shooter. Maybe there was other people shooting on him. I think he was trained. And I think somebody got him detonators.

2:19:19He had sophisticated detonators and explosive devices. That's why you're like a lone shooter. He trained. I think someone talked that guy into doing that. I think... I don't think someone talked that kind of doing it. I think it's possible that someone talked that kind of doing that. Yeah. I mean, anything's possible. I'm not, I'm not like dismissing that. I just think like he's like a school shooter who got political, you know. It took his body away and cremated it at 10 days after the assassination. No talks college report. No public. There's been no press conference about it. No telling all the details.

2:19:52Here's what we know. They went to the kids house. It was professionally scrubbed. Didn't have silverware in it. Right. There's a phone that was going back and forth because, you know, they have add data. They can track cell phone when they ping. There's a phone going back and forth between the offices of the FBI and Washington DC in this kids house. Multiple occasions. Well, yeah, I don't know about that. But I don't know. That's where things get weird, right? You'd hate me with my views. I don't. No, no, no. I wouldn't think I've stayed. I would not hate you with your views. I'm like the opposite of a conspiracy theorist.

2:20:21That's interesting. So you think Epstein killed himself? I'm not saying he definitely killed himself, but I also think it is believable that he is a little depressed at that point. Certainly. You know, I mean, that's what I think. I think like the possibility of it not being a conspiracy is sometimes very plausible to the point where I don't know if you need to go to a conspiracy. Maybe he got killed, but Epstein was also not in a great place at that point. True. You know what I mean? So I could see that both ways. But then you have to look at the autopsy. Yeah. And you have to look at the ligature marks around the base of his neck, which is not really what happens when you hang yourself.

2:20:58When you hang yourself, your weight of your body is what kills you. Yeah. So the ligature marks. The strangulation marks are underneath the chin. His was down by his neck. And his neck was actually fractured, which is also indicative of someone getting strangled to death. Dr. Michael Badden, who's that forensic scientist that did that show autopsy, remember that show? Yeah. On HBO. He examined the autopsy, examined what the results were. And he found that the fractures in the neck were indicative of someone being strangled to death. But what did another corner who said it was, like, should be sure?

2:21:33First corner. Yeah. First guy said, well, I can't wait. Can't we believe that guy? Well, it seems very convenient that the cameras went out. Yeah. It seems very convenient that the people that were on security were asleep. Seems very convenient. All of it seems convenient. Yeah. No, I'm not saying he didn't get killed. So it should be the most high profile defense witness in a very important case that might have been about elites and child pedophilia would probably want to take that guy out. But also a narcissist who's going to be about to be the most hated person in the world could also, I could see him killing himself.

2:22:10Sure. I'm just saying, I'm not saying he didn't kill. He could have killed himself. I mean, he could have been killed. So how long have you been working for the government? I don't know. I hate you. I don't hate you. I'm not a big guy. I think God's well -dected alone. I don't know. I'm a believer in incompetence in that everyone is, most people are bad at their job. You ever watch this as a period of film? Yeah. The film of Kennedy's head going back into the left. Of course. How do you think that happens when you get shot from behind? Back it. What do you mean? His head goes back into the left.

2:22:38Like you got shot from the front. I don't know. I don't know. You never see that. That was a hit spit. I feel that, yeah. Back into the left. But I also think they've tried so long to find the conspiracy for that. And it always kind of comes to a dead end. I don't know. I think what Oswald did was... I like the way you think. You know, you don't want to think about it this way. I like it. I like what you're saying. Well, to me, I think a lot of conspiracy theorists think like the other person, like I'm naive, right? But I think it's the opposite. I think like it sometimes can be naive to think someone, there's someone masterminding everything.

2:23:12Right. Like to me, I think like... And I don't know all the evidence, I'm sure there's all these reports and stuff. But like to me, I think like sometimes crazy should happens. And when you look at it backwards, it doesn't... Yeah, it's crazy that he shot someone from that far to work, you know what I mean? That's true. But it's also crazy should happen. And we also have never seen... A lot of times stuff happens where we've never seen that like 9 -11. We never had to play and hit a building. But you immediately had people being like, buildings don't fall like that. It's like the first time it's happened.

2:23:41That's true. So it's like, we don't always know like... It's a lot of times something happening that's crazy, but also like never happened before that people are like, that's not how it happens. But it's like, how do you know? That's true. Like planes flying into the buildings, especially buildings of that tall. That's all true. And I do think, you know, I've read, you know, it was 9 -11, there was so much incompetence as a government, lack of communication between the FBI and the CIA. You know? And I'm a firm... I'm not saying some conspiracies aren't true. Definitely. And there's a lot of corruption, but I'm just a firm believer in incompetence.

2:24:11And competence is real, but conspiracies are too. Some conspiracies are really... The Lee Harvey Oswald one, when you look into it, it's pretty nutty. Yeah. It's pretty nutty. You know? But a lot of people heard shots from the grassy knoll, the amount of people that were eyewitnesses that died in mysterious ways. Right. This is extraordinary. Like, off the charts, odds, like that don't make any sense. But I also do think sometimes the brain, like, finds patterns, I don't know, always. Sure. And also people kill people that happens too. Both, both. The thing about the Oswald thing is there's also a lot of evidence at points, the fact that they were trying to come to the conclusion that there was a lone gunman despite the evidence.

2:24:46Mm -hmm. And one of those is the magic bullet theory. The magic bullet theory is fucking cuckoo for Coca -Buff. So that shit would never fly today. What did the bullet went through? You went through Kennedy, and then into Connolly, and then they found it in pristine condition on the gurney, and then they attributed that bullet to all these wounds, because they had to, because there was only three shots, supposedly. And in those three shots that Oswald was able to get off, they knew one of them hit the back, and they knew one of them was hit Connolly, and one of them blew up his head. Well, they had all different bullets for these things, for these different injuries, but then a guy got hit with a ricochet in the underpass.

2:25:21So they had to account for one of those bullets missing the target, and hitting the, whatever it is, granite, curb stone, and banging into this guy's face, then guy had to go to the hospital. They found the curb stone that had been hit with a bullet, and so they knew that a ricocheted hit there. So now they had two bullets that had to have all these wounds. And so instead of saying, hey, maybe there's more than one person shooting, maybe there's more than this one guy that was in the book depository. All these people said there were shots coming from the grass, you know, maybe they were telling the truth, instead of that, they said, no, no, no, no, no, one bullet went crazy, and went, oh, look, we found it.

2:25:55Here's the bullet, all good. And look at the bullet. All right, I'll give you Oswald. That bullet, look at that bullet, that bullet. That bullet supposedly went through two people, and they found it in that condition on a gurney. If you've ever shot anything with a bullet, you know, that's straight horse shit. That's not deformed at all. That shattered bones. That's nonsense. But what is the answer? I feel like there's so many answers about what happened, right? Well, if you read the Warren commission report and fucking nobody has, that's also, there's different, like, see the hole in his neck.

2:26:24It's supposed to have gone through his back, through his neck. But in the first autopsy report, that hole in the neck was thought of as an entrance wound. And then when it got to Bethesda, Maryland, then they said it was a tricky enemy hole. There's like a lot of inconsistencies in the Warren commission report. And if you want to go crazy, read a book called Best Evidence by David Lichten, who was an accountant who read the entire Warren commission, went over it and found all these inconsistencies and said, they were just trying to come to this one conclusion and he didn't buy it. But I'll check it out, but also, like, there can be inconsistencies are also part of incompetence or not communicating as well, can it?

2:27:02inconsistencies, yeah. But these seem like different reports that don't, or even him trying to force something like, I mean, like, I just think sometimes like the thing has to be, like nothing's perfect. And there is like a lot of like, I also don't think Lee Harvey Oswald Acto, I think Lee Harvey Oswald was a part of it. Yeah, I don't think he acted, don't think he acted alone. You think he looks like this guy? I think he was the guy that they were pinning it on. Well, he was definitely active with the CIA. He'd gone over to Russia. He'd married to Russian woman and came back to America. He was doing a lot of weird communist shit.

2:27:30He was involved in a lot of weird stuff that seemed to indicate that he was some sort of intelligence agent, or at least a patty. A guy that could pin this on, which is probably what they wanted to do. I'm not, yeah, I'm not denying it that it could happen. I guess that it's a possibility. I guess for me, it's just like, usually when there is something I can spare a sea, it does get found out. Yeah, but this is a great evidence, you know? There was no internet back then and they didn't even see this Zapruder film until 12 years later. There's a Zapruder film nobody even saw it until it was on the Geraldo Rivera show in 1975 and Dick Gregory brought it on.

2:28:02So you know what I read in the, what's his name? He did a book about Camelot that apparently Kennedy was fucking someone at the pool and pulled his groin. Have you read this two days beforehand? And he had like a back brace on. And when he got shot, can he got shot twice, right? He got shot, well, yeah, at least twice. They think three times. They think that's one through the back, one through the neck and one in the head. But I heard they said like, become of the back brace when he got shot the first time. It didn't push him over. So it's kind of like a sitting duck. Have you heard that? No, but that makes the kind of make sense.

2:28:32So like the back brace almost kept him up with the shot. Well, yeah, he was all fucked up. He had a lot of like real physical problems. He was in constant pain. And he was also a guy that was getting treatment from doctor field good. I was like, yeah, that's where doctor field good came from. My psychiatrist. Yeah, real similar. Like this one doctor and I think a lot of that was meth as well. It was a habit of wearing a tightly laced back brace that may have kept him from recoiling to the floor of his car after the assassin's first bullet to the neck, setting him up for the kill shot. The brace was firm.

2:29:04So this is also, yeah, this is not the back shot. Either there was a shot in the neck that again, the initial autopsy, so it was an entrance wound. Yeah, that makes sense. It's tightly laced, makes sense to the captain stiff. He was all fucked up though. He had like, yeah, see portrait of pain. See, he had like some real serious problems. Numerous back surgeries. They, so they hid. They, it's hard to hide news photos of him walking crutches before and after one of his numerous back surgery. It was until 2002 when historian Robert Dalek was allowed access to a collection of documents spanning 1955 to 1963.

2:29:43And 1963, the specifics we end up emerged. Peyton is co -author neurosurgeon, just Dr. Justin Dowdy, poured over Dalek, subsequent book, numerous other biographies and scores of documents and x -rays of the JFK library and Boston prepare their paper. So I was taking it back by the depths of Kennedy's pain. He said, how long he dealt with the pain, despite his short life, how it affected his life. I was able to conceal most of that from the public and certainly from his political adversaries. So I wonder what he, what back surgeries were they doing in 1963? Good Lord. It's gotta be brutal. Yeah, scarlet fever at age two.

2:30:15Spent his teenage years in and out of hospitals with abdominal and joint pain, full -like symptoms and extreme weight loss. H15 weight, a mere 117 pounds. By the next year worried he might have leukemia, doctors began to regularly checking his blood. So he was all fucked up, man. So he was a sick dude. But so like, sometimes I think there's like... Collitis. Different explanations that like, aren't that sexy? Like, like... Here's not sexy. Look at this. Yesterday I went through the most harassing experience of my life and iron tube, 12 inches long and one inch diameter up my ass. My poor, bedrackled, rectum.

2:30:53Oh my God, is looking at me very reproachfully these days. Oh my God. He was great with words. Bro, he was fucked up. You could have been a comic. Jesus Christ. So he got a football game, got tackled from the side, possibly damaging a spinal disc. Again, regularly using a corset brace to stabilize his spine and control his discomfort. So yeah, he was all fucked up. But it's like, there's things like, when things don't make sense. There are sometimes an explanation that's like kind of like, almost boring or random. It's like the thing with a pruder. I think it's a pruder, person puts an umbrella up.

2:31:27Is that a pruder? There's a guy who has an umbrella up and it's not raining. And for years, they thought he might have been involved like signaling and they finally, finally guy. They bring him in front of everyone and he's like, I'm British in England. It's a real fuck you when you like, raise your umbrella when a car's driving by. And he hated Kennedy. So he's just doing a fuck you. But then for years, people were like, oh, that was part of the signal. I just think, I mean, I'm not saying some conspiracies are untrue. I just think there's sometimes other reasons that get lost, like that, you know?

2:31:59Certainly people look for things that aren't there. You know, I've read conspiracies about me. I'm like, this is hilarious. It's weird when you read them. But it's weird when you read them about you. You're like, oh, this is how this works. People just make shit up and they just run with it. What's the one about you? I'll just nonsense being handled by the CIA, being a part of the Illuminati, all kinds of stupid shit. Throwing people off your trail by being into conspiracy theories. So people don't realize you're part of the CIA. Well, they just want to think you're controlled. Yeah. They want us to think that at certain point, someone comes to you and you get controlled.

2:32:29But that's not real. No. The reality is no one's in control. That's right. To me, that's the reality is MK Ultra was real and they really were trying to teach people out of kill people and they did it with Charlie Manson. No, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's definitely real horrible fucked up shit. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying there's not fucked up horrible shit. But I do think no one's really staring the ship and that's like the really scary thing. Right. I think the, our idea is that there's this one group of people that all agree with each other. That's, I don't think that's real. I think there's competing factions even at the top levels.

2:33:06I think they're always battling with each other. Yes. You look, the people in the Navy sometimes don't like the people in the Army. You know what I mean? Exactly. Like this is the CIA and FBI. The CIA, not communicates FBI and that's 100 % real. And that's why when people look at all of Israel, it was not to bring it back to them. Right. As like a Zionist conspiracy, you're now doing that. You're believing in this collective thing. When really there's so many different types of Israelis. There's extremists, there's racists, and there's peace mix. There's people who believe in peace. And it's like, I think you always have to be wary of like thinking everything's monolithic.

2:33:36Absolutely. And I feel like that about the intelligence agencies as well. I feel like, yeah, you want the CIA. You want someone who's paying attention to terrorist plots. Of course. You want them. You want the FBI to be able to investigate when someone's done something horrible. Yeah. You want those things. You just don't want them out of control. And the problem is absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. And when some people get into certain positions of power, they use whatever means necessary to maintain it. I mean, the Nazis have the ultimate conspiracy when they invaded Poland. They killed a bunch of their own prisoner wars and had them dressed as Polish soldiers and like concocted a whole fake attack by Poland.

2:34:13Of course. The ultimate conspiracy. Hitler burned the Reichstag. You never know who did it. No. Well, some people actually do think it was the Marxist. But we don't actually know for sure. I thought it was just generally assumed that it was Hitler. I think there's still some mystery. I think some people, there was one guy who they say might have lit the fire. I forget what his name, I read this in a book, but like Hitler definitely jumped on it immediately. What was the time old tactic? I mean, he had a neuro burned Rome. I don't, he might have, but I think there's still some mystery about what, because some people think it might have been someone else, but then he just kind of jumped on it.

2:34:44You mean Hitler or Nero? I Hitler. Nero, you know what Nelts Nero did? When his wife died, he found some slave boy that looked like his wife and had her castrated and paraded her around as his wife. Did he fuck? I don't know what he did, probably did. I mean, imagine he decided you're gonna be my wife now. Yeah, I'm gonna chop your dick off and bring you out in public. Well, yeah. Back then he's a friend. And then the kid, I believe the kid killed himself a couple of years later. Yeah, so you can find that story. It is a crazy story. He found some slave boy that looked like his wife. And so back then you're looking at him at the fucking, on the balcony, you're one of the peasants, and there's no one he knew.

2:35:27Yeah, he's just like. Was his wife anymore like he didn't want everybody knows wife died So he decided to make this fucking this slave boy look like his wife a woman who look like his wife I don't know he's the out of his fucking kid if he had a sister look it This is Nero dude. She's colligula. Let's do is out of his fucking mind actually not much about Nero Sporus was a young slave boy whom the Roman Emperor Nero had castrated and married as his Empress under his tour of Greece in 66 to 67 CE allegedly in order to for him to play the role of his wife Popeyes Sabina who had died the previous year ancient historians generally portray this relationship between Nero and Sporus as an abomination How do you say that name suit?

2:36:07Sotonius Sotonius places his account in the Nero Nero Sporus relationship in his scandalous accounts of Nero sexual aberrations Between his raping of Vestal Virgin and committing incest with his mother Something Nero used his marriage to Sporus to assuage the guilty fed he felt for allegedly kicking his pregnant wife Pompeia to death I'll leave you hopefully it was really really nice Jesus Christ Dio Casios in a more detailed account writes at Sporus born on Canny resemblance to Papia and that Nero called Sporus by her name. Oh my god That's insane. Oh my god Wow, I should make a movie about that kid.

2:36:50Oh look at this Scholars have to do since sporus was likely an epithet given to him when his abuse started Considering it to be derived from the Greek word sporus meaning seed or semen Which may refer to his inability to have children following his castration What the fuck dude? Oh my god How crazy is how crazy was that guy? I should make a movie about that kid that'd be a good movie right from the kids perspective Fight first you do like dark things. That's the darkest first he asked except that he may have some girly features I'm gonna have to Bro make it a romcom, but it's just like what was society like back then because They all had sex with kids.

2:37:35I fucked a lot of kids. Fucked a lot of kids I think normal for like an intellectual to have a young boy that he would fuck I think it was gay to fuck your wife. I think people would be like I'm going home to my wife They're like, what are you gay? Go fuck a little boy like us. It was like it was like a gay thing to fuck your wife Yeah, it was in fucking kids was like fashion. Well also. How about the Spartans the greatest warriors ever they all fucked each other Yeah, they were it's Greeks were like very tough and very not homophobic They didn't care who they fucked they were just fucking that was that was a part of masculinity like fucking guy was masculine Like you're like I'm tough.

2:38:14I hate that fuck guy Imagine that kept going and guys were just fucking guys today Well in the Nazis were the guy who's gay erica. I mean, what was name rock general Romer or whatever his name was the one part of the original essay that they killed in the night of the long knives Oh really he was gay and he was toughest as they came and he was a bunch of gay people in his His division. Yeah, well That's the the ideal of the Spartans was that you would fight for your lover much harder than you'd fight for a friend So like this man. Yeah, this man beside you not only is he your you know He's he's with you in this war.

2:38:53He's a fellow soldier, but he's also your lover. So are you saying I was thinking they wanted to fuck each other is it more like the general was like I need you all to fuck each other I think they wanted to fuck each other to they wanted to fuck each other. I think they just got used to fucking guys I think it's probably one of those like guys are so gross Let's that that's the thing about prison, right? There's no women around. We just fuck each other. Yeah We learn to the spores thing. It gets a little weirder. Yeah. Yeah, I mean He was already married to someone else after his wife died. Oh, Satelina miss Selena And then later married spores that year who said to bear remarkable resums to Pompeia, but then He took spores to Greece and then back to Rome making calvia Caspinelia serve as his mistress of wardrobe to sports to spores Nero then Nero had earlier married another freedman Pythagoras who played the role of Nero's husband Now spores played the role of Nero's wife What?

2:39:54Yeah, I mean this is wild Nero died before spores died too. Oh my god. He was just wild and then spores went to somebody else As the wife told it was and Papaya was married to this person before Nero got her and Nero made them get divorced took papaya Wow And then spores went back to this guy whoa Nymphidius subinus oh my god nympho Who persuaded the Praetorian guard to desert Nero Nymphidius treated spores as a wife and called him Pompeia. So called him Nero's ex wife Who Nero kicked to death who he used to be married to what the fuck imagine that poor kid He just blessed with good genetics got a pretty face Got a pretty face by the king cut your dick off and just fuck you and they pass you around talk like my wife I'm gonna change your name again, kid.

2:40:51This is why he killed himself. It's because someone else who beat that guy Was going to use spores as a victim in public entertainment as a record We're gonna be an active after all that shit of a rape of the of someone in the underworld is what that is The rape of prosperity is press Pro Serpina the rape of pro Serpina at a gladiator show. Oh my god So he avoided this public humiliation by committing suicide So they were gonna violently rape him and kill him in a gladiator show So we finally get free of this shit and then they're like we want you to reenact it now We're gonna we're gonna make you die in a gladiator show.

2:41:27I'd guess that's not the first time they did that He probably knew what was comments. We probably like fucked out I'm going through that he probably saw so many people get fucked up and glad Why do they feel they need to publicly humiliate him? Hasn't he been through that? Why kick a man wise down He's just like he's getting a little cocky. Let's uh Oh Life back then. I mean, this is the thing. It's like they thought they were pretty progressive when they're just banking women Yeah, and they'll stupid movies. Well, you don't know. Yeah, you don't know. It's Jimmy Jimmy a little hammer that spanker in the ass.

2:41:57Oh, here you go It was normal. Yeah, at least it cut her dick off. Well, you know, we are we we do Move at her own pace and it's like People have act like people suck now like we're awful, but like we are we are getting back We are way better than those days. We are way better than the Nero If you just read that account. Yeah, imagine if Biden's wife died So he found some fucking page that looked like his wife Adam cut his dick off and brought him to Greece as his wife Like this guy's a maniac This guy's out of his fucking mind. We're freaked out when he sniffs hair. Yeah Like he's getting too close to that hair.

2:42:37Look how he's smelling those kids You fucking imagine It was I mean, it was good to be a king back then, you know, you really could do whatever you wanted didn't last long eventually came for you He got what happened to him? He got executed or what happened to Nero? How did he die? I'm looking into this little Morris is this like because of how crazy it's sounding I'm starting to go like maybe whoever killed him was just like, you know, we're gonna do in a smear I'm we're gonna make up all this shit about him That's not maybe accurate, but who's gonna fucking right? But the Nero store that's like in historical record the store I took spores and found the New York article from 2021 that says like how nasty was you really?

2:43:16Anatorious how nasty was Nero? Yeah, it's oh my god Nero apologies together. You're writing that about Hitler some day It was just the oxycodone it wasn't Hitler. Yeah, sorry. It's on really good pot. Yeah, really potent pot made him fuck his wife She wasn't 29 % T .H. So he was strong and he only had taken weed a couple of times. Yeah, you can't fault him for killing all the Jews You really did think they were evil

2:43:41Kill six million Jews. Well, I was on painkillers I was on oxies guys I was on a lot of painkillers at a bad doctor What Jamie we say after he had sex with his mommy killed her too. They didn't mention that. Oh, whoops Yeah, bad guy. I'd say bad guy. Yeah, yeah, I say pretty safe to say that's how I get sparse I'm not into the map. I'm not gonna try to Here you go, it's incompetence for that one I think that guy was probably really bad guy. No, that was a bad guy. Yeah, yeah, no he was You've done when you were the king back then you could do whatever the fuck you wanted which is part of the problem Yeah, that's the other one's power over people.

2:44:18I think anyone put in that position We just do whatever the fuck they want. You know the Elizabeth Bathory story No, Elizabeth this so this is a very controversial story too This lady apparent so this this is the folklore. There's two different versions of this So the folk the story that gets handed down was this woman was so evil That she was a serial killer and she was beautiful when she was young and I actually got older She would slaughter young maids and put them in a bathtub and and and bathe in their blood to try to rejuvenate I remember this. Yes, I mean reading this But then the revisionist approach to it was that they accused her of all these things so that they could take her land And they imprisoned her because she was a royal so they imprisoned her in under house arrest They locked her up in a castle You know, they locked her up in a room in the castle for the rest of her life until she died And they think that this could possibly could be false accusations against her that was so horrific that no one would question them So that they could take her land.

2:45:14Oh So she didn't do it or I don't know we don't know my stories I mean if they did smear her with this fake thing, you know, it's it's a crazy accusation too You wanted to be true that don't you? Of course You want to think there's some lady that is so vain and evil that she slaughters all the beautiful young ladies Yeah, and that they these women started going missing and they said See if you can find that story. It's it's kind of crazy. I used to be super into serial killers like before it was cool Oh What you got your first Well, first of all I was really a camper the guy in the mind hunter series Oh, I was a dead before now.

2:45:51He's like everyone knows it. I'm a little disappointed I was a damn his main stream now. He sold out back when I was into it. I was creeping people. It was cool It's old school days. My favorite story is Ed Geaden I the story that someone came to like to his house once to like get borrow sugar or some shit And he came inside and there's a skull that Ed Geaden of someone who had killed like on a shelf And the guy's like what the fuck is that and Ed Geaden, you know, it's like 50s right? Ed Geaden's just kind of like freaks out and just lies. He just goes Oh, that's a Japanese guy killed in the war brought him back and the guys the other guy's like Thank God for a second.

2:46:25I thought it was something creepy Jesus Imagine you could take a Japanese guy's head home with you and everyone just like yeah, fine case of Elizabeth Bathory inspired numerous stories during the 18th and 19th centuries most common motif of these works That the countless bathing in her victims virgin victims blood to retain beauty or youth the legend appeared in print for the first time in 1729 in the Jesuit scholar who last low Turoxy Turoxy maybe Trajica Historia was written the first account of the Bathory case story came into question 1817 When the witness accounts which had had surfaced in 1765 were published for the first time They included no references to blood baths in his book hungry and Transylvania published in 1850 John Paget describes the supposed origins of Bathory's blood bathing Although his tale seems to be fictionalized recitation of oral history from the area It's difficult to know how accurate his account of events is Sadistic pleasures is considered a far more plausible motive for Bathory's crimes.

2:47:34Oh, so she they're saying that she did do it Bathory's been labeled by Guinness Book of World Records the most prolific female murderer although the number of her victims is debated So This we competed though. Yeah, I think there was another article that Elizabeth Bathory was like Google Elizabeth Bathory was innocent. I found this but this didn't have a link It's just someone talking about it on reddit, which says Was never serial killer the myth and stories about her were made up by the Hungarian noblemen who first falsely accused her Then prosecuted her based on false evidence that was mostly hearsay Later they got her servants to make proof against her by forcing them to say they saw the killings of young girls while they tortured them This was because the wild dislike she got in those circles because of how well she treated her What is that jobagi?

2:48:26I don't know how to translate basically farmers who work for her on the land for house And a portion of what they made Making a bad example and she was simply kind to commenters something noblemen just loath It's also helped them. So it's actually just after she got locked up. They seized her estate So she was actually just like a nice person. Yeah, that seems a little fishy too Disappointing though, you know, they know who fucking knows you know It's too many years ago for really we don't even know what happened in 1963 with the Kennedy assassination You know, I took a I take a bath every day not not a blood bath, but I love baths Baths are nice.

2:49:00I love them. Yeah, they it's like my way Place away from my phone and stuff Yeah, if you could live a hundred years ago a fucking hot shower is a miracle. Oh, yeah A hot shower is a wonderful pleasure. Yeah, we just completely take for granted. Oh, yeah, sit in that shower like It's soap and lather up wash your feet and wash your face and oh your underarms Oh, bathing this pre -heated warm water. It's wonderful. We do cold plungers for fun. That's like all people had back then That's all of the cold. Yeah, you wanted to wash your dirty ass. You had to get in that fucking lake But hey dude, it's been really fun talking to you man.

2:49:38It was really good time. Oh, thanks for doing this I really enjoyed it. Can I plug it? Yeah, plug away plug away Yeah, but this was awesome by the way. Thank you. I hope you I hope you had fun. I did had a great time. I enjoyed it very much Well, definitely check out my special brave came out like not too long ago on YouTube called brave also. I just made a movie Um, oh, yeah, there it is Film that a comedy seller nice Good place to film a special web fielded great directors beautiful And I also just made a movie. I have the we just kind of made the trailer. It's about a serial killer called a memory room You do like it dark.

2:50:15I like it dark and a memory room. Yeah, it's a movie. I made with my brilliant co -director Dan McCabe Is it comedy? No, it's about a caretaker It's like a 25 -minute thriller about a caretaker who's taking care of a guy with dementia And one day they're listening to like music and he seems to really like the song And she's like, oh, do you remember that song? And he's like that song was playing in the night. I strangled Rosie He kind of just says it out of nowhere. Oh, and she starts like investigating whether he actually killed someone or not And uh, yeah, we just filmed it. Are you this year ago?

2:50:45No, we got a great actor Hal Robinson and did you think about playing it? You did well, I tell you at one point he was talking about killing someone in it And he was like he looked a little too upset And I was like you got to look like it's like not a big deal like I was giving him my serial killer wisdom Like you should be talking about this like it's nothing, you know, right, but he was great and you can learn about it or Where could someone watch it? You can watch a trailer now at memoryroommovie .com We just kind of put it together and there's also like if we went 13 ,000 over budget So if anyone wants them the investor got a memoryroommovie .com and When will it be available for people to watch?

2:51:23Well, we're gonna we're gonna Finish editing and then send it to all these film festivals and try to get in. Yeah, I made a movie with Joe list earlier this year And I'm trying to start making more movies. I love movies my whole life and I've written screenplay It was my partner, Dan McCabe who's great great writer and we just finally started like making this and what grazing money and making it It's awesome. Cool. All right, man. Beautiful. But it was so nice talking to you nice talking to you too, man It's a lot of fun. Yeah, it's a good time. I enjoyed it. Thank you. All right, everybody

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