#2208 - Brigham Buhler

27:28It's okay to disagree. There's nothing wrong with having differ in the things. Well, I think, I understand your perspective. Your perspective is for chronically obese, like really morbidly obese people. We need to do something and this is a very good step and it does work and it can help people. It is a very good step. I'm the hardcore discipline guy. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? This is something that you can solve just by eating less. Something you can solve by cutting out sugar, cutting out sodas, cutting out eating whole ingredient foods, eating fish and chicken and red meat and vegetables and cutting out all the bullshit.

28:07That's real. That's a real thing that you can do. However, if you're 600 pounds, and if you've gone so far down the wrong road, you need a hand. You need someone to help you. I'm like, if I was pushing an agenda, I have a ton to gain by GLP ones going gangbusters. I'm not on that bandwagon. I literally sat there with the Senate meeting and said, this is crazy. If we government fund prescribing GLP ones to children, that's insanity. We should also, we need to fix our food products in schools, we need to limit soft drinks and advertising to children. Like there's a million things we could do that are way more logical and reasonable than starting to stick a kid with an injectable but they're gonna take the rest of their life.

28:47But it's not as profitable. Yeah, that's the real problem. And the advertisements about that, they seem to me the same advertisement. It's the same feeling I get when I see advertisements giving babies COVID vaccines. Like what the fuck are you talking about? Like you're just trying to make money. You're not trying to protect babies from COVID. That's fucking nonsense. It's not a problem with them. It's just not. It's just statistically not an issue. It's certainly not an issue for you to be promoting this potentially dangerous, dangerous remedy. Yeah, another example of that is that, you know, we were a foster family growing up.

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31:57That's buffalo trace distillery dot com distilled, aged and bottled by buffalo trace distillery 90 proof Franklin County, Kentucky, Buffalo trace American family owned independent and perfectly untamed. The the hep V vaccines that all those little kids had to get and I didn't think about it at the time. But again, hearing some of my friends like Kallie and Casey talk about it, the vaccine schedule is crazy because you're giving a child a brand new baby, essentially a HEPB vaccine. The only two ways to contract hepatitis B is basically you're injected in drugs or sexual activity. And infants not going to have that.

32:41So why expose them to the risk factor of a potential adverse event when we know autism rates or through the roof, all of these different health issues for children are climbing. And at some point we have to assess what we're doing and say, isn't there a better way? But I know enough about how that system works and how things are negotiated on the back end, and the lobby, and now it's established, and now it's hammered home. And then you assemble, and you go have a meet with all the pediatricians nationwide, and you have people as spokesperson that push that agenda, and get senators and congressmen and women on the hook to go, So yes, we need these vaccines incorporated as part of our policy to protect these children.

33:20And I don't think it's not that it was, I don't think everyone's in on it. I think people are being duped and it's so siloed. That's one of the other things you and I have talked about historically with medicine. Medicine's so siloed, they don't look at the full human body, they look at, I'm a knee guy and I'm going to look at the knee. Or I'm a mental health specialist and I'm going to talk to this patient about their mental health. But your mental health is intertwined with your physical health. your mental health and this is what Dr. Palmer from Harvard talks about. You know, if we have metabolic disease and all these metabolic crises, it's going to lead to mental health issues.

33:55No question. There have been proven studies that show that SSRIs aren't as effective as exercise. By a large measurable amount, like exercise is more effective at curing depression and treating depression than SSRIs. That's a fact. But you know, you can't make money of someone running around this block unless you saw them sneakers. Yeah. Like that's it. You'd only saw them one pair of sneakers like every six months. Well, and we're in the, what scares me. At the most. And again, not to shit on the GLP ones because we prescribe GLP ones, we utilize GLP ones. They are a tool in the tool belt. And when utilized appropriately, they can help people.

34:35But a hammer can kill someone if used inappropriately. And so if we make it our frontline defense, and again, we go back to the crime scene, chronic disease crisis in America, and we say, okay, the food systems broke, then the people end up chronically ill, then we don't really assess people until in our assessment tools in a primary care market are based off a sick patient population. If we base the demographic off the average American that is dying of chronic diseases, and that is our measuring stick, then why are we shocked when we continue to have a boom and people dying of chronic diseases and being diagnosed with chronic diseases.

35:16Cancer, all time high. I think there's gonna be two million new cases of cancer diagnosed this year. Every single chronic disease is through the roof. The system is not working. I wanna talk about you, because one of the things that's interesting about this is like you were unhealthy at one point in time and you were overweight and this is how you kinda started this journey. And maybe a lot of people aren't aware of that. Yeah, like you weren't you you had to learn all this stuff and you had to learn all this stuff through your own personal health crisis. Yeah, I was I was like 29 30 years old early 30s and I was 25 % body fat pre -diabetic Headed towards all the same chronic diseases that we're talking about and I was your diet luck My diet I had well originally my diet was terrible was a to -to -traditional American diet, right?

36:05So I was a surgical rep and I had to be in the OR by 7 a .m. And so I would go do CrossFit every morning, then I'd go to the OR. I'd be in cases all day. I would eat whatever I could. I would drink a Starbucks, Frappuccino, not realizing there's 1800 calories of sugar and chemicals and no nutrients. I just didn't know. And I grew up in a family, again a foster family where we were middle class America, but in maybe it was the 80s, Eating healthy was like eating wheat bread instead of white bread. It was eating low fat, lays potato chips and a diet coke. That's literally what my family thought was healthy.

36:42And that's a lot of Americans. They don't know. And you just stay with what you're indoctrinated into. So I started seeing a nutritionist in my 30s and I did lean down and I lost weight and I was getting healthier and I was headed the right direction and I was still training. But he was like, if you're doing everything I'm saying, And so let me take a step back. I would go to a primary care and it would take three months to get in with a primary care. Then they would just pull a basic lipid panel. And then I would say, well, can we look at my hormones? No, no, we don't need to look at hormones.

37:12We're going to look at your lipid panel. We're going to do a wellness check. Well, that doesn't include hormones in this country. It's not a deep dive because they're scared to do that because the insurance companies control what they'll reimburse and not reimburse. And so clinicians in this country are terrified to do the deep dive and they only have six minutes with you. So they got to get you in and out of there. Long story short, six months later, still fat, still trying to lose weight, working out every day, seeing a nutritionist, nutritionist that I want to refer to you at a urology buddy, Dr.

37:41Larry Lipschultz, who's one of the godfathers of urology and hormone optimization in the United States. And when I went and met with Larry, he was shocked after he pulled my blood work and was, we actually did it twice because he just didn't believe my readings. And my testosterone level after seeing him was 98. Oh my God. It's insane. And he's like a woman. But I know it was terrible. And so he's like, of course, he's like, I don't know if you're fat because you had told his story before. I don't know if you're fat because you have low testosterone or if you have low testosterone because you're fat.

38:13But you are fat with low testosterone. And so that was my baseline. And through just using the, when you went to the New Jersey, by then I was using the nutritionist, But then it was a question of was the whole, did I dig too big of a hole and then I was in, the question is, are you over -training and you're crashing what little hormones you have left and your body's trying to get ramped up? So we ended up treating at the time with HCG and clomophine. Let me ask you this. What, what did the nutritionists tell you to do? Oh. We prioritize protein, one gram of protein per pound of lean muscle mass.

38:44We cleaned up my diet if you make protein the basis of your diet because you need a gram of protein for per pound of lean muscle mass to maintain. If you're trying to gain lean muscle mass you have to up that protein intake and then based off diet or lifestyle and activity level And so we would prioritize my carbs through certain times of the day We would keep me at a chloric deficit and we'd prioritize protein in that chloric deficit and what you'll find is Mind -blowing You aren't as hungry if I don't eat a Muffin and a Starbucks coffee loaded with sugar I don't have that insulin response that causes the hunger cravings a few hours later We're on back to eating another unhealthy meal choice right if you eat protein first eggs Hought hearty heavy foods dense nutrient packed foods your appetite is suppressed is a natural appetite You can't overeat it's really hard to overeat meat it is and so we prioritize proteins healthy proteins like chickens fish All of those sources and then healthy carbs get away from sugars white dates, starches, prioritize, healthy carbohydrate sources that are slower burning that allow you to metabolize the protein that you're absorbed.

39:56Proofs and vegetables. So, how much weight did you lose that weight? I literally went, well, starting on diet, I probably lost about half of the weight that I was trying to get off. So I know body fat percentage, he got me from 25 down to about 15. And then when we added hormone optimization, not testosterone at the time, it was HCG and clomaphym, which boosted your natural testosterone levels, being monitored by a clinician within physiological norms, right, to try and make sure that we're optimizing my health, not trying to get jacked in tan. It literally helped me go from 15 to at the time, I think I dropped down to around 7%.

40:34And I did not change anything. I was working out the same way, eating the same way. Seven percent is very lean. Yeah, and now I walk around 12 to 15. That's sustainable. And I think in my 40s, that's a level that makes sense to me. But I think the way to do that is you don't wait for people to get chronically ill. I should have never been at 25 % body fat. If we were getting proactive and predictive, and we were truly doing deep dives into individuals and taking the time for our clinicians in this country to sit down and assess you at the biological level then we can prevent these chronic diseases.

41:10And I'm not talking about pharmaceutical intervention. We can prevent these through diet lifestyle nutrition and helping teach the patient that there's a better way. And if we need to involve pharmaceutical intervention, it's there. There's options out there that can help patients kick start. There are health and wellness, especially people in their 40s. So when you do this, how much time did it take overall from the original nutrition intervention to hormone optimization? Like how much time are we talking about? It took about a year. And that's where it gets crazy with the insurance model. So a lot of people don't know this.

41:49Most insurance cares in the US don't practice preventative. So testosterone will be considered a lifestyle drug. The challenge with like an issue like the DEA, if they really do over regulate testosterone and shut telemedicine companies down from prescribing it, it's going to limit accessibility for these patients because primary care don't want to prescribe it, right? And so they're going to punt them off to a urologist. Typically for an insurance company to cover it, you've got to have two or more fasted blood tests of a testosterone below 250 nanograms per desoleter. So that's a chronically ill man.

42:24I mean, that's to come back twice. I mean, that's going to take you six months to get in with that. You're all, that's in the dream world. So just to get the insurance coverage, you're talking six months to a year. And by then that patient has been chronically ill headed towards metabolic disease, diabetes. We know that testosterone is important to insulating us from certain types of cancer. It's important to our metabolic health, our bone mineral density, our lean muscle mass. all of these tie into health and longevity and health span and preventing chronic disease. Do you think that the reason why they make it very difficult to get hormone optimization is because if more people get hormone optimization, more people are not on these medications?

43:10I think somewhat yes, but I also think the insurance model is an obstructionist model, right? And so I can give you a different example with the opioid crisis. You know, there were a non -addictive non -abusive pain creams. Okay? If somebody is going to be put on, they have an ACL surgery. They're in pain. I'm not here to say there's no need to ever have a pain pill. But in those instances, there were alternatives that are non -abusive non -addictive. What are the alternatives? There were ketamine -based pain creams that were topicals that could not be diverted or you couldn't extrapolate the ketamine out of it and abuse it.

43:50So you nobody ever got high or stimulated from it because it's a cream that you can't extrapolate the ketamine out of. So you could not abuse it. You couldn't diverted if you wanted to. So it just works locally. It just works locally to address that knee pain. Insurance within 12 months quit covering it because those creams cost hundreds of dollars whereas in opioids like I think $10 a month, right? And then the other thing you'll find is the pharmacy benefit managers who the insurance companies own have reimbursement deals on certain drugs. So when you get a drug, it's not because it's the best drug or the most efficacious drug.

44:24It's because the PBM, pharmacy benefit manager has negotiated a rebate and decided to place that drug on tier one or tier two, based off their financial incentive in that drug. Testosterone's been on the market so long. It's compounded a million places. There is no rebate for the big pharmaceutical companies or the big insurance companies on testosterone. Right? And so it's just an additional cost. And so the more they can obstruct things that cost money but don't pay dividends back to them, they'll put obstructions in the way. So another example is not only did they shut down alternatives to opioids during an opioid crisis.

45:06they also cut lab reimbursements on toxicology screenings. At the same time that we're on an opioid bender as a nation, they got rid of the last safety net, which was if you come into a pain clinic asking for opioids, they're going to make you do a toxicology screen to make sure that you're not in abusing other drugs, that you're not diverting the drug, that this medication's actually in your system. All of those reimbursements used to be covered by insurance companies, but they got rid of that. And so as soon as they got rid of that, there was no checks and balances. And so it is layered. It's very nuanced.

45:42It's never as simple as yes or no. And I'm just, I'm telling you what I saw. I'm just trying to tell you what I saw. I'm not saying I have all the answers. I like your head, your guts there. But I mean, that's all highlighted in that Netflix documentary that Peter Berg made about the Sackler family, which is not documentary, which is called DocuDrama series. That fucking series is so enraging and after that, you know, that one guy that they kept in a hotel room for like two days. Who knows what they did for that guy? To that guy. What the fuck did they do to him? They got him to approve that. They found that guy.

46:17That guy was in a small town in New Hampshire and they ostracized him. People were just, the sheriff was like trying to highlight how many people in the community had died of opioid overdose and how much blood was on his hands. Well, he took a job with the Sacklers. Yeah, he worked at the FDA. He approved that. Took a job with Sacklers, which I know we beat that horse dead too, but 13 out of the 15 last out of the last 15 heads of the FDA, 13 have gone to work for industry. You know, and that's tough. That puts everyone in a tough position. If we're going to allow people to work one place one month and then go work for the bad guys the following month, it's so dirty.

46:53Reggie, how is that legal? How? A lot of people don't know the Sacklers. That was their second time creating a crisis in America. and the 70s, they created the volume crisis. They got all the women. I think it was one in three housewives were addicted to volume in the 70s. In one in three. The Saiklers were, Congress went after the Saiklers then and they ended up taking a settlement and they paid their way out of it, slapped on the wrist, no criminal charges ever brought forward and they wrote off into the sunset after creating this volume crisis of the late 70s, early 80s. Oh my God. Jamie, pull up the tweet that I sent you from Jay Baracharya.

47:30So Michael Pollan, you know, he's highlighted the dangers of pesticides. The USDA funded a PR organization that worked with agricultural interests to downplay the harms of pesticides and farming and to compile the famedory dossiers on opponents of pesticide use, including food writer Michael Pollan. Just imagine that the USDA spends money to defame people. Using your tax dollars spends money to defame people that are trying to tell you that there is poison in your food. Measureable amounts, something along the lines of 90 plus percent of Americans have round up in their system. They have glyphosate in their system from crops.

48:21You have one of the things I learned to five percent of the human brain mass and weight is now made of is now plastics We learn that in the hearing too 5 % blew my mind never heard that statistic. Oh my god terrifying Revealed the US government's funded private social network attacking pesticide critics. So what does it say about this? 2017 two United Nations experts called for a treaty to strictly regulate dangerous pesticides which they said were a global human rights concern, which by the way, round of is illegal in a lot of countries. Siding scientific research, showing pesticides can cause cancers, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's, and other health problems.

49:03Publicly, the pesticide industries, lead trade association, dubbed the recommendations unfounded and sensational assertions. But what's crazy is this is Monsanto, which is also Bayer. And we talked about that. This is the company that knowingly infected people with HIV and shipped it to third world countries because they their hemophilia drug had been contaminated and they knew they'd get busted if they shipped it in the US. So they shipped it to third world countries and knowingly infected thousands of people with HIV. And we're trusting these people. Look, look what it says here. Publicly the pesticide industries lead trade association, dub the recommendations, unfound financial assertions and private industry advocates have gone further.

49:49Derogatory profiles of the two UN experts, Hillal, Elver, and Basquat, Tonkak, Tonkak, Tonkak are hosted on an online private portal for pesticide company employees and a range of influential allies. Members can access a wide range of personal information about hundreds of individuals from around the world deemed a threat to industry interests, including the US food writers Michael Pollan and Mark Brittman, the Indian environmentalist Vandana Shiva, and the Nigerian activist, you say that one. How do you say that? How do you think you say that name? Nimo Basi. Nimo Mmo. Nimo Basi. Nimo Mmo. Nimo Mmo Basi.

50:37Many profiles include personal details such as the names of family members, phone numbers, home addresses, even house values. The profiling is part of an effort which is financed in part by US taxpayer dollars to downplay pesticide dangers, discredit opponents, and undermine international policy making according to court records, emails, and other documents obtained by the nonprofit newsroom lighthouse reports. It corroborated with the Guardian, the new lead, LeMonde, Africa Uncensored, and Australian broadcast corporation, and other international media partners on the publication of this investigation.

51:17The efforts were spearheaded by a reputation management firm in Missouri called V Fluence. The company provides services that it describes as intelligence gathering, proprietary data mining, and risk communications. The revelations demonstrate how industry advocates have established a private social network to counter resistance to pesticides and genetically modified crops in Africa, Europe, and parts of the world while also denigrating organic and other alternative farming methods. Wow. Wow. I mean, it doesn't, it's just, I think it was Jason during the testimony. He said in this resonated with me, do we need double blind studies to know that chemicals we spray on pesticides and chemicals we spray on fields that cause disruption in mitochondria of insects and destroy them at the cellular level might possibly, can we at least say might possibly create some sort of issue?

52:17No, that's unfounded. Other biological beings unfounded. That's an unfounded assertion. More than 30 current government officials are on the membership list, most of whom are from the U .S. Department of Agriculture. This is so crazy. It's so crazy that this is so blatant. And then your text always. What did me talk so much? They were willing to talk. That does give me hope, Joe. Like the Senate, they took a risk, man. They took a risk. They allowed us to come in. They did say, hey, we recommend you don't go too hard in the paint. And everyone said fuck that. And they just drop bombs. Like they, they have to be inside of you.

52:53They're inside of you from their space and they know. The only way it's going to affect people is these viral video clips have to go online. and people have to share them on Facebook and Instagram and Twitter. Thank God they can, you know, because who knows if the government could clamp down on it the way they have in other countries? Other countries have severely clamped down. And there's been some real issues in America, but America still is the best place to distribute information. I mean, X is banned in Brazil right now, right? There's a lot of shenanigans going on all throughout the world where people are trying to control narratives.

53:26And it's fucking spooky. If we really look at it, if it wasn't for you, I would have never met RFK. If it wasn't for going on your show, I would have never got my message out there. If it wasn't for Tucker's podcast, Cali would have never got his message out there. And Casey. Well, it wasn't for you. You know how banged up I'd be, dude. How many times have you helped me with stem cells? You know, I talk about it all the time, but I know there's a gentleman that I'm friends friends with that I've just been talking to who's going, he's about to go to a disc, he's getting his discs used. And I'm like Jesus, have you looked into other options?

54:02Have you looked into stem cells? I mean, you could go to Tijuana and I know those guys at the CPI have treated many people, including my friend Shane Dorian. He had fantastic results. My friend Tom Land and Utah as well. He went down there and got his spine injected. Fantastic results. I tell people all the time, like, I love CPI. I love all these guys. Like all ships rise and fall with the tide. We're in this together. Our battle is not each other. Our battle is the federal government You're very very good about that I think that's very important to say that you know you're not like a competitor of these people You feel like there's more than enough for everybody and you're more than happy that these people are around I'm just glad there's a voice because we've got to get the message out there that there are alternatives and this It's almost like a fairy tale that they've told the American people that, hey, if it's an FDA -approved product and it's in a hospital or your doctor tells you it's good as gold, it's science, and it's not.

54:59A lot of it's never been researched. A lot of these doctors, unfortunately, are ignorant as to all these other remedies that are effective. I can tell you working with primary cares. There's some of the hardest working, most patient focused folks out there and they're just tired. They're beat down, they're exhausted. They've got to see 40 people a day. Most of them are now employees of a hospital. And so the hospital doesn't really care about the primary market because it doesn't make money. The reason you have the primary care market is to control the referral network to the hospital system. And so they need those primaries, referring knees, shoulders, elbows, hearts, spine, you know, brain neurosurgery.

55:40That's where the money is made. That's where they can really build insurance companies and get big reimbursements. But I think it's also what I was saying that a lot of these doctors aren't aware of this stuff works. I told you about my shoulder injury. When I went to the doctor, he told me you were going to have to have surgery. Yeah. You're going to have to bite the bullet one day and have surgery. And I was like, shit. He goes, you could try other things and it might help you for a little while, but you're going to have to have surgery. The only thing that gave him pause was when he did the strength tests with me.

56:10way pushed down my arm and did all that kind of shit. But I just think that's because the muscle around the damage joint was strong. And so he's like, well, you know, you're pretty functional. He goes, the MRI, you shouldn't be able to do all this stuff according to your MRI. We still battle that. I can tell you, GSP, he's coming in again this week and he's talked about us, I think on your pod, he's posted about us, he's the man, he's amazing. But when I met him, he was a skeptic and he said, I know I'm talking to you because of but like my doctor said this is bullshit. I'm up in Canada and he said that there's no such thing and that I have to have surgery to fix this shoulder.

56:46We fixed a shoulder. He's posted about it. He never had surgery. He went back in and the doctor's like, I don't know what you're doing. And there are dozens of NFL athletes we've worked with. I don't think any of them other than Aaron Rodgers has told their doctor that they're working with us. Like big name athletes, but they're scared of the team doctor. Yeah, well, close to Aaron because the team what doctor was trying to tell him to avoid all that stuff. including stem cells. It's just nuts. And I think the doctors aren't doing it because they're bad people. I think they don't know. I think they don't have time to do the deep dives.

57:17Most doctors, how much peer reviewed literature do you think most doctors who are in orthopedic surgeons who are in practice? How much are they absorbing? How much time do they have? Between malpractice insurance, between medical school bills that they're in debt with, between the overhead that they have to run their practice. I mean, they have to get people in and out of the office quickly. Well, and you also go back to who funds studies and who funds I when I worked at as a med device rep I can tell you we funded studies but those studies were going to be focused on and geared towards moving our products.

57:49Of course. And so we didn't have a stem cell or biological product because we sold hardware and we wanted ACL surgeries, shoulder surgeries, knee surgeries because that's how the company made its living. And so again, it wasn't that we were against it or trying to destroy it. It was more of if you can trivialize it and focus on what makes you your check. That's where everyone's at. And everyone's so compartmentalized, it's easy to almost have plausible deniability. So like somebody comes in with, to a primary care and they're overweight and they're diabetic and they're anxious and they're not sleeping.

58:27The doctor's going to write them five drugs and push them out the door, not because they're a bad person, but because that is how we teach clinicians to practice medicine in this country. That is the dogma of the situation we're in. They're taught, prescribed first, ask questions later. Rather than deep dive, understand the root cause of the disease, let's understand what is this person like the question you asked me. What are you eating? How much sleep are you getting? Are you getting sunlight? Are you stressed? This is the issue. If you want to move people into the office, all this takes time.

58:59One of the things that you guys do at waist to well is you do comprehensive blood analysis. When I sit down with Denise, my eyes glistens over and it's my body. I'm like, God, there's so many details to cover. There's so many things. But by following those directions, I've noticed a giant difference in my overall health. It's amazing. It is amazing. It's unfortunate that this kind of resource is not available to more people, where more people don't have access to a doctor that's going to look at them comprehensively. Look at their whole body as in like if you're going to take care of your yard, if you're trying to grow plants in your yard and you know your trees are all dying, your vegetables weren't growing, if you have the resources you can go to a botanist or you can go to someone who understands farming, someone who's a scientist and you can say what's wrong and they could do soil analysis and they you know my friend Steve actually did this, he was trying to I'm gonna put a, Steve Rinella, I was trying to put a garden in his house in Brooklyn.

59:56And they found that leaded gasoline from all those years, from like the 1960s, all those years where they used leaded gasoline in Brooklyn, you know, because it's polluted. All that shit had gotten so deep in the soil that it was, this backyard was contaminated with leaded gasoline. And so you have to do a detox on the backyard. So there's certain plants that you can plant that can help in that process. There's certain treatments to the soil that can help in that process. Why are we doing that with body? If you could do that with your backyard. I know. Think about it. I can give you another example.

1:00:34Like one of the tests we do and I don't promote it. It's expensive and it's because the lab we use is expensive, but it is amazing and it's a cancer screening. And so we in our healthcare system today only screened for essentially proactively five different types of cancer, tumor -based cancers. Okay, well, there's a blood test that can screen for over 200 tumor -based cancers, and it can tell you when you're at level zero, right, undistinguishable, because usually how they're diagnosing is through imaging. And so the challenge with imaging is the pixelation, right? The image can't capture the cellular level.

1:01:14Blood work can. So at the cellular level, we can tell you when you're at stage zero on a cancer, up to seven years prior to you developing cancer, on over 200 different types of cancer. Why would that not be implemented into our healthcare system? Or at minimal, what I argued with the senator about was, okay, let's just say we can't afford this for all Americans. Why in the hell wouldn't we at minimal be doing this for our firefighters, our military veterans? We know that over 70 % of firefighters and military veterans will develop cancer in their lifetime. It's staggering because of dealing with ballistics and weapons and guns and all those are carcinogens.

1:01:54Firefighters are dealing with smoke and smoke and halation and all the different chemicals they come in contact with. I've never thought about that in terms of guns, like shooting guns. Like when you shoot guns, like if you go to a range and shoot guns, like how much toxic chemicals are you absorbing? Yeah, it's a well all that gets in your skin and gets absorbed through the skin. So there are there's carcinogens and all of those things and it's just especially indoors right like an indoor range versus an outdoor range and it's disproportionate our first responders and our military personnel disproportionately have higher cancer rates especially firefighters.

1:02:29Yeah, think about all the things that they breathe in that are on fire I mean look at how many veterans have suffered because of burn pits. Yep, which is an insane thing that they did They said, oh, we have all this garbage. What's the most cost effective way to get rid of it? Let's make a massive fire that runs 24 hours a day and throw tires in it. Yeah. Fucking plastic, everything. Whatever the fuck you got laying around, throw it in that burn pit. Oh, and when the wind blows and that shit goes straight through camp, that's what everybody's breathing. Yeah. And who knows how many people develop cancer because of that.

1:03:00I know multiple people that I know personally that have developed severe illness. Isn't even died because of that. Well, and you can even see when we talk about diet and food and environment. It's even happening wasn't it Biden's son? Didn't he develop I think he developed a disease that was theorized that it came from burn pits. I don't see if you find that I Believe that's true. I believe he served wasn't math. No, that was the other son Well, son was the good guy Biden addresses possible link between son's fatal brain cancer and toxic military burn pits. Isn't that insane? His own son. So crazy.

1:03:39So he couldn't even protect his own son. I mean, he's a powerful politician. Well, that's we tried to like that was the message I wanted people to get it. Yes, we were talking to senators, but the truth is we were talking to the American people and it was guys We don't have my thing to the public is I'm not here to tell you that I have the answers to the test I'm here to tell you I have the questions to the test. And I'm telling you what I saw and I'm being honest and I'm trying my best. I am not fucking political. Left, right, different wings to the same bird. Like I will say right now the right is talking about this because of Bobby Kennedy and I know that Trump is wanting to meet next week as a health expo to dive in and try and understand from people in the industry what's going on behind the scenes and how we're headed towards this chronic disease crisis, but what gets scarier is if we don't get this under wraps, we've got a rapidly aging patient population.

1:04:35We have a rapid decline in the amount of primary cares. You know, I talked about this last time. We're going to have a 30 % shortage in primary care and it already takes three months to get in with a primary care. We're headed over a cliff. We have got to get chronic disease under control in this nation and we got to do it fast. And I want to say something too. There's a lot of people that vehemently disagree with a lot of this stuff. And there's a lot of people online like the people that write the articles, the woo woo stuff. They just don't know. There's no way they actually knew what was going on in a comprehensive way and would still write those articles.

1:05:11You would have to be evil. Well, I don't think those people that are writing those articles are evil. I think they're doing a job and I think they're being directed and I think they're being directed by people that have invested interest in this information. just like we talked about with that USDA thing. They have a vested interest in this information being dismissed. And there's money behind it. It's a financial interest point. They try to say if we can't agree on one topic that we have to disagree on all topics. And that's the most frustrating thing to me. My neighbor's amazing. She's an amazing person.

1:05:39She sent me a message and was like, you know, Bobby Kennedy sold out and blodbed. I'm not. I don't care about the maha movement. And I'm like, this isn't about maha or Trump or any. This is about people. She's a hardcore liberal. Yes, but I'm like, this isn't about people though. And don't let them fool you. Don't let them fool you. I agree with the Republicans on hatchet things. It's just the problem is Trump as a person. People just react to him in the like the most negative way. And they are fully convinced that all of his negative character traits, all these negative things are unbefitting to a president and therefore he shouldn't be president.

1:06:21I think anybody who wants to be president is fucking insane. They're all insane. I think it's just like kind of everybody else that's a leader in almost every industry. I think they're insane people. I don't think you get to the top of any heap unless you're out of your fucking mind. And you could be out of your mind in a vicious, sort of demeaning, attacking all your enemies way like Trump is. and it's still the same drive is what led that guy to deal with this shit for four years where they were trying to put him in jail so that he doesn't run again and still run again and they try to kill him twice and he's still running.

1:07:03It's like you... I mean, I don't know. He's a waybraver man than I am because I was a different type. It's a different kind of human and my point is the only way you get someone who's not affected by that is you have to have an insane person. It's literally the best tool for the job because everybody else all the different trot the 34 counts Which were not felonies which they upgraded from a misdemeanor which passed the statute limitations all of them were Bookkeeping errors or miss mislabeling things which is illegal their minor offenses that would not get anybody prosecuted Not sure, much less put it in fucking jail, real potential for him being in, and people want him to put him in jail.

1:07:48They wanna put him in jail for a long fucking time. And it's crazy. You're doing it at the same time where ICE admits that, what are the numbers of murderers and convicted criminals that have made it into this country? It's something bananas. And this is just verified. This is verified data. Do you know what it is, Jamie? Because I could find it. because somebody sent it to me and I literally couldn't believe it's real. So I'll send it to you and you could find out if it is real. Because if it's true, it's fucking bananas. And just the sheer numbers, they're scary. These are scary numbers, man.

1:08:26It's like no one thinks this is a problem. And I'm not, look, I am the product of immigration. My grandparents came here at a time where it was very easy to come here. And I just sent you a screenshot and see if you could find out if it's true. It was very easy to come here and a lot of people came here with criminals. Look, a lot of people in my family were criminals. They were Italians in the 1920s. My grandmother went to jail when I was a kid. My grandmother went to jail for a bookmate. No, when you watch the Godfather, the original Godfather, it ties to Italy and how intertwined all that is is wild.

1:09:02That's based on like somewhat based on reality. My grandmother's sister murdered her husband. Yeah, I grew up, I had a wild people. These are people that came over on a fucking boat before YouTube. They didn't even know what it was like over here. They took a chance. They took a chance. So I am completely sympathetic to immigrants, but you can't let in fucking gang members. Okay, there gotta be some kind of screening. You wanna make it easier to get in for people that are hardworking, people that just wanna better job? I'm with you. I'm with you, just make it easier for them to get in. Make it easier for the people that have been here for 20 years to become citizens.

1:09:36make yes I know people I know a kid who was she's 28 now she was born in America But her no she was born in Mexico, but her parents brought her over here when she was a baby So she doesn't speak Spanish she has been in America her whole fucking life and she's not an American citizen So she can't vote she's limited the kind of jobs she can do it's fucking weird It's weird that we do that but yet my grandparents just came over on a boat and fucking they write a piece of paper and they're in. It's nuts. We should have a screening process to keep evil people out. That's it. Everyone else, look, you imagine if you're bored in Guatemala, wouldn't you want to come over here and get a job as a landscaper?

1:10:19Fuck, you could make 600 bucks a week, 700 bucks a week. Oh my God. And then you live in a family in a house with a bunch of people, which are used to doing anyway. And then someone branches off and makes their own business. And also, you're living the American dream, right? This is what we all want for for everybody. There's enough for everybody, but you can't let in murderers. This is crazy. And you can't let them in and ship them to swing states. And then try, it's just so in your face, ship them to swing states, and then there's all this talk now of amnesty for all the people that came in.

1:10:55Well, I'm all for amnesty for the people that have been here their whole life like this girl that I know who's 28 years old now. I'm all for that. Yeah, yeah, that makes no sense. She should be American. She's a fucking American. She pays sales tax and all those other tax. But yeah, yeah, those people, but there should be some service screening process. You know, if you're in fucking gangs that bring in fentanyl, hey, maybe we shouldn't let that guy in. And this is the old deal of having borders in the first place. And what it's shocking is if you try to come here legally, it's very difficult.

1:11:30I've had friends from Canada, like comedians from Canada that want to move to America. And it's a long fucking process to become an American citizen. Yeah. It's difficult. And you have to do homework. You got to fucking, you got to, you got to answer tests. But if you just walk in, they'll give you money, they'll house you, they'll give you an EBT card, they'll give you food stamps. What the fuck are we doing? Well, we must be doing something. So it's either one of two things. Either we want cheap labor, and this is with Tim Dillon thinks. He thinks that the cheap labor market for construction and all these jobs that most people don't want to do anymore.

1:12:04It's falling off a cliff. And the best way to sustain those industries is to bring in cheap labor and the best way to do that is to bring in migrant workers. Because they're willing to do jobs that a lot of people won't. And this is the positive side of like Springfield, Ohio where people talk about the Haitians that move there. The people that employ these Haitians say these people are hard workers. They're so happy to be here. They want the American dream. That's great. That's what we want. We want more of that. That's all good. But you can't make it insanely difficult for a college -educated person from Norway to move here.

1:12:37Because they want to do that. Literally, like when Chimath was on, he explained that when he was over here going through his visa process, they had to show that he was doing something that an American couldn't do. You have to be someone of exceptional skill. That's why I like that. and then I mean, you can go to Green Card and eventually became a US citizen. But it's a long process and a difficult process because every year when you go to get your visa renewed, you're at the whim of this person. Who knows if they had a bad day? You know, who knows? Their fucking wife just started fucking the mailman and they found out about it and she drained their bag of cow.

1:13:16And he's like, fuck you, go back to Canada. You know, they can do that to you. They can do that to you at a whim. But if you walk in, you know, not go close, you want you to get in. He's a wildlife photographer for Cabela's. And he, he's somewhere over in Russia, but he literally took him years to get his citizenship. And he would, he became friends with the girl who worked at the guy who approved his desk and would literally message her. And she'd be like, no, not today. No, not today. And he waited for a day when the guy was having a great day and went and had his meeting and he got his citizenship.

1:13:51But it took him years. And now he's working here for Cabela's shooting wildlife photography and given the dream and he grew up reading in Russia reading these books about the great west and like he wanted to be a cowboy and he tells these stories but he is an example of somebody who believes in the American dream and that's that's a difficult for them to acquire it's difficult so let's see what it says here department of Homeland Security Spokesperson turned news week the date in the sliders being misinterpreted the data goes back decades, it includes individuals who entered the country over the past 40 years or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this administration.

1:14:30Okay, so, but you are still saying that those people are here. Noted that his letter that ICE is bound by statutory requirements, not to release certain non -citizens from its custody during the pendency of removal proceedings. He added that most non -citizens who are convicted of homicide are typically not eligible for, Typically not eligible for release from ice custody. Like listen if you fucking kill people if you're an illegal Alien you sneak across board and you kill Americans How about nobody's eligible for release? How about that? Let's just start with that Well, I mean if you're a felling in the United States, you're not allowed to vote So wouldn't it make sense that we don't accept?

1:15:13You know somebody with a criminal record into the United States like we have you know We have a lot of fights that we're already fighting and a lot of budgetary restraints as a society that we can't really gig ourselves out of the whole with right now. But we have so much money for Ukraine. It may be shocking to hear the Biden Harris administration is actively releasing tens of thousands of criminal illegal aliens into our communities, but their own numbers conclusively prove this to be the case. This defies all common sense, read a statement. Newsweek is contact the Harris campaign for comment via email outside of standard working hours.

1:15:48What does that mean? What is standard working hours? They can't. Oh, that's why they didn't get back to them. It was outside of standard working hours. The email arrived at 515. Put that back up again. Department of Homeland Security spokesperson told Newsweek the date in this letter is, oh, this is the one that says this is a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson says it's being misused. Um, school that now, scroll that down a little bit further, see what it says there. Uh, huh, congressional Republicans voted against them twice, Democratic presidential candidate added. We took executive action to reduce unlawful border crossings.

1:16:28See, this is the thing that gets weird. It's like, you know, they say that Trump, the Biden administration is trying to say that Trump blocked some sort of a border wall bill because he wanted it to be something that he could campaign against the swing instructor, the Republicans to vote against it. It's there's so much that kind of fuckery. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's the possibility of that being on the table. That's, and I'm not accusing anyone of doing that, but imagine a world where it's a person could conspire, and I'm not saying they did, but a person could conspire to make something happen because that would be something that they could campaign against, look what you did.

1:17:08And that's how dirty this game is. That's why nobody wants to do it unless you're fucking crazy Unless you're crazy like Trump and he just waits He's sent Mark Cuban a letter when Mark Cuban's Television show failed and like 2004 whatever the fuck it was and someone posted on an Instagram today I see if you can find it Jamie, but it's so petty It's so petty and the fact that he signed it and sent it to him took time out of his day to tie or have someone draft a letter. Yeah. Probably didn't type it himself. Have someone draft the letter and send it to Mark Cuban in the mail. Yeah. Yes. But it takes that kind of a person to literally make their way through the system.

1:17:59The only way you get through all these attacks. And we've seen the full force of it. It's like we've seen all the orcs that were hiding in the forest. They all came out. The level of hell that those people go through like is the letter. This is from 2004. Mr. Mark Cuban, dear Mark, I'm truly sorry to hear that your show has been canceled for lack of ratings. When I initially called you to congratulate you on the benefactor, little did you or I realized how disastrous and embarrassing it would be, it would turn out for you. If you ever decided to do another show, please call me and I'll be happy to lend a helping hand with best wishes But what a crazy backhanded I don't I mean what beef I don't they must have some kind of beef What is the beef about the guys hilarious that is hilarious It's hilarious that he takes time out of his day.

1:18:58Yeah, not just like say good, fuck that guy, that show guy can't so. Takes time out of his day to write like a concilitor, I'm sorry, sorry it's happening man. Yeah, you fucking loser, like literally writes it in there. The whole thing is wild because - But what's hard is people use those things to distract us and to divide us and like even with my neighbor, I know we agree on 80 % of the things. It's like hey, I'm not against or for anyone, Like I'm not against come all I'm not against Trump. I'm I'm 14 humanity. I am for I am to and we work together to solve the problem And whoever wins whether Trump or come all I hope that we can continue the momentum in the dialogue And I hope that you know we can Truly have an open conversation that gains traction and what I love about it being Public is it's forever memorialized in public record.

1:19:55I think there's no hiding it. Yes And I think it will and especially in today's day with I've seen so many videos sent me of your testimony And I've had them recommended to me on Instagram too from accounts. I don't even follow so it's getting around but I think What's also interesting is that social chaos It unveils things and then fails things about human beings and that is one of the benefits of having a guy that you can decide is Hitler like even though half the country loves him, half the country loves that dude, maybe more than half the country now. There's a lot of silent loves that guy, people.

1:20:35Because they realize like there's not a lot of other options out of this other than a fucking crazy person who would write my Cuban, mark Cuban a letter like that. You need to be insane to pull this off. And you might need to be insane in a way that you or I would find distasteful. It is insanity because even at a smaller level, just testifying in front of the Senate. The level of hate and just like misrepresentations of truth. I don't even want to call it lies, but to me it's lies. The level of like misrepresentation and taking things out of context. And it just doesn't seem genuine. And it doesn't seem like people are really fighting for truth.

1:21:17When you were genuinely shook by it, but I told you what I told you is the truth. Nobody cares. Don't read it. Nobody cares. Don't read anything about yourself even good things nobody cares people know what the fuck is going on They get to hear you talk in in forms like this they get to hear you actually talk and lay it out They know who the fuck you are all this is all just noise But the good thing about this kind of noise this this social chaos is it unveils all this corruption It unveils the orcs that are hard hiding in the forest yet you've see it and I am convinced If they know the efficacy of foreign countries using social media bots to attack people, they know that that works.

1:22:02They know that that shift narratives, especially for people that are sitting on the fence. They know all that stuff works. If you don't think that there's companies in America that we're not aware of that organize social media campaigns and have bots attack certain individuals like yourself for having a dangerous narrative. If you don't think that, you're crazy. And to me, Joe, is what part of saying, hey, we need to better understand how we're growing our food, how we're processing our food, how we're preserving our food. Maybe leftover petrochemicals aren't the best way to preserve our food products in America.

1:22:41You're not allowing that in other nations. And we're looking at the data, the statistics, and the numbers. And we're saying something's not right. The point of that conversation was to say, today's the day we start the dialogue. You know, the journey of a thousand steps starts with one or and I look at it and say my message was How do we fix this? Will we start by acknowledging there's a fucking problem in the first place? They don't care. This is just about money and just about justifying the things that you're saying the narratives that you're pushing to try to get that money If they came out with an article if someone did a peer reviewed study that showed that if you eat drink exactly 13 glasses of water a day, you never get sick and you never get cancer.

1:23:24There would be articles the next day saying if everyone drinks 13 gallons of water or 13 glasses of water a day, there would be no water for black people and people of color and indigenous people, the trans people would dive dehydration and the wells would dry up and then the crops and we're not going to have food and there's a lot of impoverished people. You don't need 13 glasses of water a day. There would be some sort of justification. If you came out with some sort of a diet that you could follow and everyone would live to be 150 There would be an article about how dangerous it is to tell people to stay healthy because if we all live to be a hundred fifty Literally, we're there saying diet lifestyle nutrition getting proactive predictive and personalized That's the message.

1:24:05It's a beautiful message waiting for you to get sick and then they're giving you drugs Rather than waiting to get sick and taking a drug Let's get proactive and predictive. Let's look at you at the biological level let's stop the chronic disease from developing at its roots and prevent this crisis. And don't you think there's a way that companies can do this and make money in an ethical way? Absolutely. And that's where I say, this is what's crazy. My company, I'm not a philanthropist, we make money and we're doing it for a fraction of the cost of the system today. We really are. Like the patient's getting a deep dive into over 70 biomarkers an hour on the phone with a clinician, the only way I can scale this and make it better for people and more cost effective is AI and large language models, which is what I'm rapidly running towards, which even in that hatchet job article, she says, and he's legally using AI to prescribe, I'm not prescribing medicine using AI.

1:25:01She claimed that. She said something to that nature in the air. Isn't that the family tour? Yeah. I'm like, we are using AI to assess blood work and then it is reviewed by a board certified clinician that then re like asserts the AI's homework and the AI is just there as an additional tool. Now the vision of the future and I think this will happen is I think AI will replace a lot of primary cares in America. It's going to replace a lot of things and anybody denying the efficacy of AI at this point is ignorant. You have to be ignorant. It willfully, you have to be willfully ignorant because they have used AI right now to diagnose diseases that people mess.

1:25:43They believe that AI is going to allow to assess breast cancer in a much more effective way because it can do something with visuals that human beings can't see with the naked eye because you're detecting things. AI is gonna be able to have a much, much higher percentage of a chance of catching that cancer. Even at a great cash pay clinic, you know, I think ways to also phenomenal clinic, I think there's hundreds, if not thousands of phenomenal cash pay Piteratia is brilliant. In any of those practices, the clinician has to do a chart review before you come in. That's going to take them at least 20 minutes if they're doing a good job.

1:26:20Then they're going to spend 45 minutes to an hour with you, walking you through everything in your chart, what they saw, family history, genetics, epigenetics, cross -reference that with blood work. That's a lot of work. AI can do it instantly. Insulin. And at your own timeline and discretion. So your blood work comes back. Joe, you're busy. You don't have time to get on the phone for 40 minutes with a provider. No problem. You log into the app and you ask Alan. Alan, hey, remind me again, what was my blood work on testosterone? And then Alan's gonna tell you, and then you can ask this AI anything.

1:26:56And it is backed by all the peer reviewed journal studies, white paper studies, all the data that we've loaded in that has been cross -reference by our clinical team, and we're guiding that. It's not an open architecture, but we're allowing it to essentially help practice medicine in a way that we believe is the appropriate approach to medicine. And that would not be bad. I just think in the future it's going to be the way of the future, and it will allow us to get a cost effect. Crazy the world is. That's something that's straight forward, the way you laid it out so brilliantly. Someone could label that as bad or woo, or woo, woo.

1:27:30Because you would know the AI, imagine the world where in this in again, sword cuts both ways, every tool can be good or bad. But what I'm envisioning is AI monitoring you 24 -7, tying into your wearables. We know your rims sleep, your heart rate variability. You've gone through and you've done a DexA. I know how much lean muscle mass you have, how much visceral fat, how much subcutaneous fat. I have your epigenetics, your genetics, all loaded in. I know your family history. We've done a cancer screening. I know that you have no forms of cancerous tumors in your body at this moment. From there now, we have a clean bill of health and a starting point, but we're tracking you.

1:28:09I know that Joe slept five hours on Saturday. I know that Joe got one hour asleep on Saturday. And then we can accrue those data sets and begin to cross -reference it. Like right now, we have over 60 ,000 patients at waste. to well. Imagine when it's nationwide and we have millions or imagine how are you monitoring their sleep? We're not yet. This is the this is the that we're launching. What so what would you tie into? We want to be agnostic. So we want to tie into sleep eight. We want to tie into all loop. Right. Any of them, if you'll give us access to that data, we'll know what date you started prescription care.

1:28:41You'll be able to refill your medicine straight through the pharmacy because it's vertically integrated. Here's the challenge with traditional medicine. Every software is based on how to get paid from the fucking insurance company. That's it. Pharmacy software is 30 years old. It is purely based on how do I get my money from CVS? How do I get my money from United? It's not meant to be a tool that helps drive health span and health care. But if we vertically integrate pharmacy software with the medical practices software, with the AI, the rarables, the rimsleeve, it then knows what date you know, Joe started gluteothione or whatever, a peptide or whatever it is.

1:29:23And we're going to see if we can track a marked improvement in heart rate variability rims sleep and all those variables. And then at the end of a year, we reassess you proactively and personalize through a Dexana VO2 max. And we say, look, Joe, you gained one pound of lean muscle mass. You didn't put on any additional body fat. Your visceral body fat is at an all time low. Your chronic disease score is an A plus. We do not think you're headed towards a chronic disease. We are proactive not sitting back waiting for you to get cancer We're going to roll our sleeves up and go to fucking work and it's not hard.

1:29:57This does not cost a fortune It is totally affordable. I hear all the time like it this is your body This is the one this is how I ended my speech to the Senate and I believe this 400 trillion to one 400 trillion to one are the chances you are alive in this room today What are we going to do with it? Are we going to let these bastards at Big Pharma and Big Medical profiteer off of our family members and profiteer off chronic disease? Or are we going to take solventry and accountability? Are we going to test ourselves and drive our health span and take ourselves out of their fucking shitty life raft that's going down?

1:30:36Like it doesn't matter if you have a first Republican Democrat. Congratulations, you have a front row seat on the fucking Titanic. that's where we're headed if we don't get proactive is not a left or right issue this is an american issue that's all i keep trying to hammer home and thank god the republicans are talking about it and i hope the democrats will start talking about it that's why it's so fascinating about ideal that's what's so fascinating about ideological capture that the thing that you would think would be one thing we could all agree on we should all be healthy that that would get attacked and that it will be more cost effective.

1:31:13You could use technology and you have a much more comprehensive understanding of your health and that gets attacked. That's how upside down things are. That's how nut and there's people that, if they think it helps their career or it helps them in journalism, it helps them get more, they will be the attack dog. They'll be the attack dog and go after someone with about a straight forward of message as you can get. Yeah, it's it's and it was one of the things that RFK said that I think it really did resonate with me was we have to stop we have to start loving our kids more than we hate each other and seeing like I won't I won't name but I know a little girl who struggles with her weight and I look at that and I this kid is Doing all she can and it's hard to tell a little kid like your friends can eat that candy, but you can't Everyone in schools drinking their soft drinks and all these things and it's bad for all of them It's just some kids are metabolically showing it sooner Yeah, you know, but it isn't good for anyone who's consuming these things and they're addicted to and it's Creates an environment.

1:32:25Yeah, that this is an addiction issue now and then that leads to a mental health issue and low self -esteem and You're part of the problem of the addiction of food too is you have to eat food You know it's on anything else So addiction of gambling is like, you can stop going to the casino. Yeah. But addiction of food is like, you have to eat food. So every day you're testing your will, every day in a profound way. That if you stay out of the casino, you're not like, he's not being tempted. But you have to imagine if you were gambling addict, but you had to make three bets a day. Yeah. What? You're a food addict, but you have D -3 meals a day.

1:33:00That's fucking insane. And that's where the GOP ones where I do say, like morbidly obese, chronically ill, diabetic, pre -diabetic, patients had it over a cliff. It has been rebranded as a lifestyle drug for any girl who's trying to lose weight for spring break. That's dangerous. And it is dangerous to say that there is no risk reward to prescribe that in children. We don't know the long term ramifications. It's a little bit different risk analysis when we're talking about a chronically ill obese patient in their 40s headed towards chronic disease crisis that's gonna kill them. That's a different risk profile and safety profile analysis than a 12 year old little girl who's overweight.

1:33:46That's a totally different talk track. So, you know, I have some differing viewpoints from the other folks on that committee, but that's the beauty of a democracy. We can disagree on topics, but agree on the issue of we've got a lot of work to do and some things to fix. But it's very straightforward. You could disagree all day long, but what you're saying is so straightforward and so beneficial to everyone across the board. If there's anything that you would want in life, like if you ever been sick, real sick, and you're like, God damn it, I can't wait to be better again. It doesn't matter if you're rich, it doesn't matter if you're happily married, you love your job, if you're fucking dying, you're in bed and you literally can barely get up to pee.

1:34:30And then you cross, you lay back down to bed, you go, what did I do to fuck this up? How did I get so sick? I am gonna take care of myself. I am gonna fucking get back on track. You know, I never did. A lot of people don't, but some people actually do. They actually do realize at that moment, like I can't let this happen again. Like whatever I did to my immune system, pulling all nighters, working at the job, fucking 16 hours a day, and then you get like a horrible flu and you're bed ridden for two weeks. During that time, the one thing you want more than anything is to be healthy. You ask a healthy person what they want to give you a thousand things.

1:35:05You ask a sick person what they want. They want to be well. They want to be well. If you told a person who's worth Bill Gates money, if you said to Bill Gates, hey, you know, you can have the flu for the rest of your life and keep all that money or give it all up. You can have a star from scratch, but you'll be healthy. He would give it all up and start from scratch. as that you're spot on and like you don't understand. I sit at dinners when I get the opportunity to be with my family and I look around the table and I really do think Jo, ever since losing my brother, I am so present in those moments and I just want everyone to be healthy and I want the good memories to last and I want to be able to watch people live happy lives and all the data and numbers and statistics, they're so overwhelming that people loathe over.

1:35:52And that's why I'm front of the Senate. I brought it back to, I'm just gonna talk about people. I didn't even talk about statistics because there were way smarter people other than me from Harvard, Stanford, all these academic types that are brilliant. And I'm like, but at the end of the day, guys, if the Senate doesn't understand, these are your children, your wives, your brothers, your sisters, your husbands, your wives, like this is, these are family members. This is not just a number. These are real lives. 1 .9 million people dying a year of chronic disease. That doesn't even include deaths of despair, suicide, opioid abuse.

1:36:28We are a chronically ill society in those impacts, destroy families, destroy them. The ramifications are so far beyond finances and numbers, but even finances and numbers 24 % of our federal budget, healthcare. Number one budget concerned federally is healthcare. Number one's concerned for most states, healthcare. Number one reason for bankruptcy in the United States for an individual healthcare. It is a huge problem, but that's the dollars and cents of it. The real cost is paid in human lives and lost loved ones. And that's that's all I wanted them to hear is don't sweep this under the rug. These are fucking people dying.

1:37:09How much of an effort has been put forth after the whole Sackler family crisis and the opioid crisis to mitigate the amount of these things that are prescribed. I think a tremendous amount, but the problem is then you swing that pendulum to over regulation and you've created a drug addict in the marketplace and all those addicts turned to fentanyl and black market products because the addiction is already there. Now we've already addicted and more people are dying of opioids today than ever before. And so the damage is... You know the prescribed glass. Yeah, the damage has been done. Yeah. And that's what's hard.

1:37:50I don't know how you put that genie back in the bottle. The question becomes, what is the next opioid crisis? It's almost like the next thing. A hoarder's house. Like how do you even clean this up? You know, you ever see those hoarder shows? You're like, what the fuck do you do with all this? It's almost like us. And the opioid crisis thing, the really scary thing is like we're propping up cartels. We're propping up really vicious people that are criminals. They have to be vicious. I'd say you get ahead in that world. There's no rules when you're an organized crime and you kill a lot of people.

1:38:24And that's what you prop up when you have drugs illegal. But now if you have drugs legal, if you just have, I mean, this is a dilemma as well, right? Because if you just had legal drugs, everything was legal. How long would it take for people to figure it out to not do cocaine? How would long, you know, if you could just get cocaine the same way you can get Coca -Cola? How weird would that be? I would even argue that the market we live in now is a pharmaceutical insurance cartel. You know, they are glorified drug dealers monetizing people's chronic disease and they have such a stranglehold over academia, the universities, they fund most of the studies, the NIH.

1:39:02I mean, we just systematically go down from the food system to the government regulatory bodies to the enforcement committees to everything they control the media. Like as soon as somebody gets, you know, get a little mouthy. Anything they come in hammer you and try to discredit you and portray it. Also how transparent it is, like who owns the companies? I know, but most people aren't going to spend the time to go like, I looked because I'm like, who is this attacking me? I want to understand their viewpoint. point. It wasn't, oh, ha, ha, ha, gotcha. I'm gonna bust these people. It was more of, let me try and understand the other side and try and see what we could have said that would have been so inflammatory because the message is hope.

1:39:45It was hope. It was unity. It was working together. It was dropped apart. Let's become healthy. Get America healthy. Yeah. Anybody that would be opposed to that. That's I think also a real problem with liberals during this election. The concept of make America healthy again is so bipartisan and so universal and so clear and the fact that the Republicans are running with it. They're like, no. They're so mad. Like that should have been something that Democrats. The Democrats used to be anti -poison. The left used to be anti -corporations dumping pollution in the waters. They were against big corporation.

1:40:22They were pro free speech. They were against censorship. there were pro reasonable discourse. There weren't about censoring people. And everything's just gone so topsy -turvy to have the left be against a movement. Even what you should be saying is you have a fuck Trump, but this is Make America Healthy Again thing, it's a good idea and we should probably do it too. We should probably just steal their idea. We should probably say, whatever you guys are gonna do, we're gonna do it too. But we're gonna be a better president, so go with us. If they were smart, that's what they would do. people all you stole that idea from Trump she said yeah I stole it it's good idea I like good ideas I'm not dogmatic okay show me a good idea that's where I go who has the most to win by dividing us it's not the democrats it's not the republicans it is the powers at b and when we killed the layers black rock band guard that own the majority shares of these pharmaceutical companies that own the majority shares and most the media outlets that own the left and the right They push agendas and they can control everything essentially except Podcast and free speech and that's one of the things that Jordan Peterson said in a meeting the night before we testified was He implored us to stop trying to cater to The mainstream media because he said it's a lost cause.

1:41:37It's a lost hope I hate to say that to you guys But the world is giving up on them. Why are you guys wasting your time with them? focus on podcasts, books, areas where you can truly in a long, long form format expose the truth and ask and respond to hard -hitting questions. And we talked about you and your platform. This is, you know, has been, that people try to label this misinformation at times. And I'm like, what part is it? Any time I've come on, I've cited all my references on the ways to a website. I list reference after reference study after study. that they labeled this misinformation during COVID turned out to be true.

1:42:15100 % I mean, especially, you know, what they did to Peter McCullough. Peter McCullough is the most published doctor in his field in human history. He's not quacked. Jay Botticara, he's a professor at Stanford, right? And that where he is? What? These are the fucking actual experts. These are the real experts. Like you guys are out of your fucking minds. Yeah. You're saying this is misinformation, but the problem is misinformation is like, label it, homophobic, transphobic, misogynist. Once they let racist, once they get you, they put that on you, misinformation. You spread misinformation. You're like, what?

1:42:54What misinformation? Tell me what wasn't true. Yeah, and I'll even say, and again, I don't know, I don't wanna be too conspiratorial. We had, I went to bed and I was exhausted after that sinning hearing I posted it. I think I'm a nobody. I didn't expect. I went to bed and I want to say I have 1 .3 million views and I posted a rebuttal about one of the periodicals that was misrepresentative and I just posted, hey, not a fair assessment of what happened today, 2 ,000 American people traveled from around the country to sit and hear an open dialogue that was bipartisan backed by some of the best and brightest minds and medicine, Harvard, Stanford, Stebman Hawkins, all were present.

1:43:38This was not a bunch of influencers blah, blah, blah, shame on you. That was all I posted. Didn't get into the weeds, woke up the next day, and all the momentum was gone. Like, we only, we still, I think, are sitting at 1 .3 million. I don't believe. And then Casey got messaged, hey, they'll de -platform you, be careful if you start naming specific news outlets. And I still believe that somehow we got D algorithm or D prioritized after we began to push back on the media for the stuff they were saying. Most certainly. I'm sure. And you probably got attacked anyway once they realized that it was gaining momentum.

1:44:13It's very creepy. And I wonder like at what level they can manipulate things at Google and at YouTube. I mean, there's a level that they can actively suppress videos and they can actively suppress social media accounts and social media posts. You know, when my special was gonna go live on Instagram or on Netflix rather on Instagram Cam Haynes put a thing in his story saying that it was gonna go live and they said that he couldn't mention me. He wasn't allowed to mention me. He wasn't allowed to mention me. Yeah. I forget what the label was. Your post -JRE experience. I don't know if they're affiliated with you or just a fan page.

1:44:55J .R .E. experience Instagram, he prints green and message me and it said this video is not suitable for repost or something. My video from test find in front of the Senate. They won't let you repost. This was a Senate hearing. Right. What are you talking about? We need to. So someone has their claws in meta that's able to suppress information. Someone has their claws in YouTube. Someone has their claws. And you know, you can use whatever label. You could say the advertisers don't want to advertise on this because it's controversial subject and that's the problem. Okay, if that's all it is, but then it should still get a lot of views.

1:45:30So if you want to withhold advertising, but the views are substantial. That means that it's really being shared in a normal way with something so outrageous and something that gains that much momentum that quickly. Doesn't make sense that Peter's out that quick. It was too profound. It was too resonating with too many people. It was just going crazy and then I would see 100 new follow, 100 light whatever and then the next morning dead totally dead like literally right after we straight We were all trading text about that article and we're like I just cannot believe they reactive with an article this fast And it's a total Misrepresentation of what occurred today.

1:46:06That's all they need and try to make it Try to make it sound like it was a left or right wing political movement like a right wing political ideology And it's like everyone in that room in fact most of the people on the panel were Democrat backgrounds, registered Democratic voters. Like there were some Republicans on there, but it was a mixture, it was a melting pot. And we're all free thinkers. Like don't take my ability to think critically away from me. I'll give a shit which party you're part of. I am here for team people. Like let's talk about the issues and stop trying to make this left or right, like it's not.

1:46:42But they're smart in that all they need is one or two articles in a respected publication to cite, to point towards the fact that this is misinformation and someone from whatever organization would look at that and gloss over it will go, oh yeah, I will suppress that. Yeah. And that's why I think one step further, I feel like, I feel like, like, for example, the New York Post article, I honestly, the way they worded that, they tried to make it sound like I'm just a regular on your podcast and I come on here and just shit all over the FDA. And I'm like, I'm doing my best to be transparent. Say they're at a disadvantage.

1:47:18They're underfunded. They, you know, they didn't build this model. They were put in this model. Right. And they're doing their best to navigate, but they're underfunded, understaffed, and chronically corrupted by the environment itself. But I would tell you the same thing with academia, the same thing with hospital systems. Also, the peak on one person. They're working the FDA. If you've been working the FDA for four years, how much of a dent Do you think you could put in the momentum of the machine that's behind you? Yeah, what are you gonna do? You're gonna stick your neck out? Yeah, you're gonna get it chopped off You're not gonna move up the corporate ladder.

1:47:49It's not set up that way And that's just the reality of being a human being and go hey, I do my best Most of those people most of those people like most people they're good people Most people all walks alive for good people, but sometimes good people do bad things Because they can or because they have to the biggest thing I saw in healthcare was doctors were exhausted whether orthopedic surgeons neurosurgeons, you know, I mean, I told you this, my buddy who is, he's a prominent sports medicine surgeon. He's a team doctor for multiple teams, you know, he's had highest positions at hospital systems.

1:48:24Even he says, what am I going to do, man? What am I fucking supposed to do? You know, I gotta, I need to do surgeries. I've got to do a certain amount of surgeries to make all the, all of this flow and work and I've got to hold my team accountable for of the amount of surgeries in their volumes. And you're never supposed to make it about volumes, but all of these hospital systems are incentivized off volume metrics that are based off cranking out the most amount of surgeries. And so there is a tremendous amount of pressure from the top down. And with insurance companies, dwindling reimbursements and dwindling, like even primary care reimbursements, but also surgical reimbursements, you're not gonna be able to innovate when it's a race to the bottom, right?

1:49:06A total joint's paying less now. It's gonna take an 8 % haircut every year and it has for like the last 15 years. So nobody's gonna go out and buy some brand new state of the art joint or even innovate a brand new state of the art joint because it's all about commoditizing it and driving down the cost right now to make it affordable to even get a joint. So it doesn't even incentivize innovation. Correct. That's crazy, especially with something like replacement joints, which you would hope when they've gotten a lot better How many people do you know that have had hip replacements? I know a bunch.

1:49:38I know a bunch. Yeah. And it's like they're walking around like quick. Graham Hancock came in here six weeks after his hip replacement. Yeah. And you know, he's 150 ,000 years old. He's like, according to his aging, everything's older with him. No, he means he's, Graham's gotta be in his 70s, right? And back then, I'm not sure how old he was. This was back when we were in LA. But he was walking around six weeks later. Fine, no limp, nothing. It's extraordinary what they could do now. It's amazing. You would hope that they would continue to innovate in that way. You know what's going on in California right now with home insurance?

1:50:18Okay. There's a real crisis in California with home insurance. Pull up the home insurance crisis. Home insurance is sky high and particularly in areas where they have wildfires. because they lose so much. You know, where I used to live in California, I was evacuated three times. That's crazy. Yeah, and the last time my kids were real little and we went in the middle of the night. We had to take off at two o 'clock in the morning, the fire was coming over the hill that was made in the 200 yards from us. Yeah. Growing up in Houston, I was used to hurricanes. A fire would be terrifying. Insurance keep dropping California homeowners.

1:50:57Changes are in the works, try to stop their cherry picking. So there's there's a you know, they don't want to ensure houses that are likely going to burn or Go to fall off of a fucking hill like I remember I was watching this new special about Malibu And there was a mudslide and Malibu like a landslide So these people they parked these fucking five million dollar houses on stilts on the side of a hill Like hey, why do you think the side of the hill vary so much? Do you think maybe it moves? Do you think maybe over time? Shit fucking goes down. It's not like a smooth skateboarding slope. No, it's an unpredictable mass of land that's affected by years and years of drought.

1:51:42So when you get drought, you don't have plant growth, you have no plant growth, you get a more erosion because there's no root systems. And then chunks of this fucking hill were fallen off and these people were in the middle of the night. They heard cracking as their house was breaking apart in the middle of the night. Their house started breaking apart and falling down the hill and they got out just in time. It was crazy. The guy was like, I just heard cracking. I thought someone was breaking in, then we got up and we didn't know what was going on. His house was cracking in half. Are they having that many claims?

1:52:12Is that why? The interest is that there's a lot of claims with wildfires. There's not that many claims with plain slides, but this was one that was like, there's like California has some real natural disaster problems and the big one happens every 20, 30 years and hasn't happened since 93. That was the earthquake thing. Yeah, that fucking thing that happens over there all the time where everything fucks shakes and houses fall down and like highways pancake. I came, the first time I ever came to Hollywood, I was doing this thing for MTV and I came out here right after the earthquakes in 93. And I was like, this is nuts, man.

1:52:50I remember driving by a highway that had collapsed on another highway. It was like right afterwards. I've only been in one earthquake and it was in Japan when we were we were at Disney in Japan and an earthquake hit. This recently? Yeah, we were with Philip, Frank and Lee and Margarita and Amanda and I were all there and literally the the, sorry, not the earthquake hit. I get a text and I look in all the Japanese people are looking at their phones too and it's like me like an amber alert and I look and it says seek shelter nine point what are eight points so is a huge one I don't know earthquakes I don't want to tell you the wrong whatever the giant one was that just happened and every Japanese person just dropped to the ground and covered their heads and we were in a cave like a man -made cave It is me so a man to look at me and was like fuck that and just took off a run in oh wow ran out of the cave But everyone was just down on the ground and then the tsunami warnings followed and I was just thinking like I grew up with hurricanes and you know they're coming you have like a week The earthquake stuff is terrifying terrifying like that is scary Japan gets some big and the earth is literally throwing things and moving That's way scary to me than hurricane the biggest one I've ever been in was a small one It was like a 5 .5 and they said it was actually an aftershock of the Northridge earthquake But it was right after I moved to LA.

1:54:15So it was like 94. I was sitting in my apartment and All of a sudden my apartment moved like like a refrigerator box You know if you're a kid you'd play like someone got a new refrigerator Your kids would play in the box and fuck around make a little hut out of it Yeah, you know carve little windows out of it and shit. It was like that the whole apartment move like that It wasn't even a noise. It was just the shaking of the building But it seems so flimsy. That's all I could remember. I remember being like, oh my God, I thought you guys were tougher than this. I thought the house was tougher. I thought I was in a building.

1:54:50I thought I was in a apartment building. It was a two store apartment complex. Two store apartment complex. It just went like this. Yeah.

1:55:01And then it stopped. And I remember going, I gotta get the fuck out of here. I can't live in this place. I think this is gonna happen when I got back to the hotel the there was a coin pond and because it's jab Japan Beautiful coin pond, but it was up on like the 30th floor. Oh my god. All that water was just all over the lobby from the hotel I got oh my god. Yeah, Jesus and I was just like this is scary Like scary. Well, and then tsunamis the real scary thing man Those videos of the Fukushima tsunami where people saw it coming and they're trying to get away. Yeah, those are all All the birds came first flying through.

1:55:39Well animals know. Some are in other animals know. When tsunamis happen, all the animals go to see high ground. Okay, what is that? What is that? It's crazy. Someone should fucking study that. They're getting some kind of information. Some message from the universe is telling them to go to high ground. How? Yeah, I even saw it. They have senses that I think we have too, that we just don't have anymore. You know what I'm saying? Like you and I talk about that when you go hunting and by like day two or three You almost feel like you're more aware more in tune to every noise every you feel the temperature more That everything gets enhanced dude.

1:56:17You're so alive. You're so alive in the mountains Yeah, you know, I got a I went to Elk hunting and I got successful in the second day Which you can't pass up, you know, it just was a perfect scenario and I got successful but I wanted to keep going. I wanted to stay out there. It was just when you're out there, it's just the physical act of being in the woods is like a vitamin that you don't need, that you don't know you need until you get it. You're like, oh, I need this vitamin. That's what I was saying, like a wildlife photographer. That'd be the dopest job ever. We're just in the wilderness, photographing wildlife.

1:56:51Well, it's crazy. He's a wildlife photographer, but when you talk to him because he's been through shit, you know, living in it. It's worn out. But no, he's amazing because he's so optimistic and he'll say and I agree with him This is the greatest country in the world We are the greatest country in the world, but we have to fight for that. No, we have to push the Constitution Yeah, should we towards the Constitution? The Atlantic thinks maybe we should push the Constitution like why? Well, you know, it's all these interests and I think the social chaos aspect of today This is what I find interesting because I think it it forces these kind of conversations it forces people to deal with these problems.

1:57:28It forces it. Instead of this healthcare issue being this insidious, never talked about thing that's slowly crept up and just becoming grain in society, to support everybody just accepted it. Instead of that, you have this rebellion. And you do have this make America healthy again movement which everyone should embrace, but yet it becomes ideologically captured by the right somehow. And if you are with that, if you think, hey, that's a great idea those guys have. I know they're they suck when it comes to women's right to choose they suck when it comes to whatever fill in the blanks But I like what they're saying about this yeah We're so lost in this team thing that is in grain our fucking DNA and they play us with it They play us with it because we have these Undeniable tribal instincts.

1:58:15It's just like when you roll a ball of yarn past a kitten They can't help it. They got to jump on it. They have these instincts We have it in your standup bit. It's that part where you talk about politics is that's 100 % how I feel and that's how almost everybody I know feels. It's a lie that we all believe the Republicans are the Democrats. We don't. We're all individuals and free thinkers and every topic is different and nuanced and it's not that easy. It's not. But it's hard to find a party that represents everything you believe in. And again, I'm not political so I focus on healthcare because it's what I know and And I know, I can debate anyone on this topic.

1:58:55I fucking know it. You wanna talk about the Ukraine? I'm a moron. I can't help you there. I don't know, but I know healthcare, and I know how broken it is. The problem is ideologies. The real problem is tribal thinking, because everyone should just embrace this and think this is really a good idea. But the fact that it's been attached to one political party, it makes it a problem for the people in the other political party. country and that's what's nuts about us, even things that are universally good, that everyone should strive for, better health. I've seen articles written that fucking people that go to the gym are more likely to be right -wing.

1:59:30Like, what are you talking about? Well, we're going to yoga class. There's going to be an advantage. We can use one of the bills that they are putting in place is to cover GLP ones for every American that wants it. That's $1 ,500 a month right now because what the pharmaceutical and insurance companies have done to price, Gallagher, market up. Shouldn't be that. It should be under a couple hundred dollars a month, but it's not, and it's not going to be. And so I look at that and go, okay, for $1500 a year, you could get the DEXA, the VO2 Max. You could be monitored with AI 24 -7. You could get minimal blood work twice a year, comprehensive console, one hour deep dive into your biologics.

2:00:11And we could treat the root cause of the issue. Because I said this on Gillian's podcast with GOP1s. I am not against them. I'm still a believer in them when utilized appropriately, but prescribing a GOP1, a weight loss drug without talking about diet lifestyle nutrition is like brushing your teeth while eating fucking Oreos. All this is true. It just makes no sense. But what I'm saying is that just the concept of getting all these things out of our food supply, making people healthy, getting people off of all these prescription drugs, making making people more metabolically healthy. We're so stupid with our tribal shit that just that concept has been pushed into the realm of right wing.

2:00:53If you're that, you're a mega person, you're this, you're a fucking, you're a loon. It's so dumb. It's, and it's the thing about going to gyms, being right wing. I've seen multiple articles written about going to gyms being right wing. Have you ever been in a fucking yoga class? Okay, yoga's one of the hardest things to do. There's some of the most left -wing motherfuckers on earth. They're nice kind people who bust their ass in a 90 -minute hot yoga class. That's fucking hard to do. The challenge is your character. The idea that the only people that exercise are right -wing, that is so dumb. That's so limiting and so stupid and such a ridiculous way to think.

2:01:34You should want to be stronger. Everybody should want to be stronger. You know why? Because it's good. I like that I can pick things up. I like that if someone in my house needs something open they give it to me and I could just open that motherfucker. Yeah, I like that I could carry things. Well, what I like me hope is the Democrats were in that meeting and there were Democrat senators that were interested and I don't believe that it's the Democrats I believe it's an agenda beyond the Democrats and it's not I just think people are trying to Intentionally create that stride for sure in that separation and I don't believe it's the Democratic Party I believe it's people attempting to hijack the Democratic Party and attempting to trivialize this message by portraying it as A political agenda rather than the facts of life of where we're at as a nation That's for sure the root cause of it, but it is a thing now Yeah, that's the problem.

2:02:24It's been effective. It's like many other things that's effective until people wake the fuck up Yeah, that's the thing you know There's not a lot of people going out getting COVID vaccines now. You got to be a true believer Yeah to go running out Yeah, it doesn't mean that I'm still trying to sell it. I was watching the beetle juice movie the other day So in the beginning of the beetle juice movie they play all these fucking cool previews You get oh what though that's coming out that looks fun And then they have a John legend covid vaccine commercial Where he talks about how he goes I'll protect myself from covid.

2:02:53Why is fucking playing the piano? And he like rolls out down his sleeve to show you a fucking band -aid you like what did you but the insanity of it is Joe So let's even look at COVID. If we look at the people that died of COVID, it was because of chronic disease and comorbidity, which goes back to when we talk about it and one of the things that's built into the new ways to well, AI algorithm app that monitors your blood work is a calculation on your all -cause mortality risk. The goal is to drive down all -cause mortality risk. What people don't understand is if you're like you, a physically fit, lean muscle mass, low body fat, healthy individual, it reduces your risk of everything that could kill you.

2:03:37Everything, a car accident, which sounds crazy, but think your body is metabolically healthy and fit, your chances of surviving and recovering are higher. Oh, for sure. So, somebody chronically ill and sick, it's not, you could throw a diet coke and kill them. You know what I mean? It's not like they're already at a deficit and they, we're trying to help people not be at a deficit. Let's get people back to normal. Which has to change the way people think about things. We have to change this ridiculous idea that your healthcare provider knows everything. They fucking don't. Your general practitioner, he doesn't.

2:04:13There's no way. And this one of the things that Casey Means talked about, like how little nutrition information she got in college, which is really nuts. But that's just the fact of the matter. That's just really what it is. And also, most of those people are also unhealthy themselves. Yeah, we just kept to stop thinking about it as a right wing or a left wing thing It's dumb and it's dangerous. It's bad for you and I know it's hard to change your fucking people are like battleships It's hard to change course. It's fucking hard It's also hard even in the system when you're separate from politics when you're in there there's local politics right?

2:04:50You're in a hospital system. You're a primary care And you start writing a lot of testosterone and treating your patients you're gonna have the urology section of your hospital pissed off because they're gonna go what? What's that was this primary care doing this? That's my spectrum send them over to me. Right I could make it money off this Everything is siloed in a way that it makes it hard for these clinicians to practice medicine the way they would want Which is why they're trying to stop telemedicine It's not for you. It's not good Yeah, and it shouldn't be legal and that's where I believe in government oversight There should be like an actual government person who can never get a job with any of these organizations never get a job It should be like if you agree to take this job on you will be well compensated But you will never be able to work for pharmaceutical drug companies.

2:05:35Yeah, ever That should be a pre -repec Like even with food we could overcompicate food. Okay. Why not just say if you don't ship it to Europe don't ship it to Americans Yeah How is that hard if we don't want to do the double blind studies and the research and I get it and it's hard to do and it's confusing, but minimal, we can follow the guidance of countries who have better health standards than the US has today. Just think about what you said about war. Think about what you said about the American people, how many die from chronic disease every year. And think about how much money we have spent on a war that we're not even in.

2:06:11I mean, what was the overall, what's the latest? Didn't they just send another few billions? A little bit here, a little bit there. I mean, I wonder how much they set aside for those people in North Carolina in Tennessee from that hurricane because those people are fucked. A lot of people are dead, man. I was reading this account. It was a horrific account of this, these people, a grandparents and a child that were on a roof and it was before the roof swept away, the building swept away and they drowned. But there's a photograph of the last photograph of them on the roof and they're terrified.

2:06:44And this little girl and her grandparents are on this roof and the water is everywhere. I mean, there's so many washed out streets and so many washed out bridges and the roads are gone. If you've seen some of the aerial photographs, I have, it's terrible. It's terrible. House is floating down the street in Asheville, North Carolina, just floating down the street. And how much, how much relief are they going to get? Is it going to be like Maui, Where you give them 700 bucks? Yeah. Which is the most, that's more insulting than giving them no money. A one -time fee of $700 you lost your house, the most catastrophic wildfire in the history of North America.

2:07:29You're gonna give them 700 bucks each, but you're gonna give Ukraine 170 whatever a billion? Yeah, and I heard Tulsi on here talking, and I'm like, God, man, when you look at like, there's a lot to gain by those people not being able to afford to state. Like they're essentially homeless and then they still got to pay their mortgages They still have to pay these bill if they're not gonna give them long -term mortgage relief That's very valuable land if everybody defaults and not only that but the governor was on record Give a speech like right after the fire and one of the things they talked about was the state taking that land Which is an insane thing to do right was it a mayor?

2:08:07Who wasn't that said that the mayor of the governor? But it was just the fact that they said it out loud is so insane in the wake of these people Suffering this catastrophic loss. They didn't even know how many people were dead at that time people are just missing kids Missing burnt alive who knows how many people died I don't even think they have an accurate count right now how many people died when we live in a world where things change so See if you find that I get how people would get overwhelming because I try to follow it all and that's why I stick to my knees Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but this is so much.

2:08:39This is crazy. I know this is crazy that they're saying now Think about allocating that kind of money towards health care 102 the death toll from the deathless wildfire and over century is risen to 102 Yeah, but what what did the what did the what I asked you is what did the governor say about acquiring the land? Not the death toll. Yeah I don't think that I think 102 is the current estimate, but I think there's a lot of people missing. What do you know about the Ukraine, one of the things, and again, I don't know enough to, I'm curious because you, I know you're, you've interviewed a lot of smarter people than me.

2:09:18I was told that one of the leverage points for the Ukraine in order to get funding was to put up land as collateral through like their farm land is put up as collateral on the loans that are being provided and those loans are essentially being provided by. Dave Smith, who's explaining it to me. I don't really know. I haven't researched it. I haven't read anything about it, but yeah, that's what I've heard as well. Because I always look and go, well, there's no such thing as everything's biased. No such thing is a free lunch. So what is the real agenda and who's funding and why? is always my question just from seeing other sectors and what happens.

2:09:55Of course, always. There's always money behind it. Yeah. But it's also Ukraine is one of the most mineral rich places on earth. Like it's worth trillions of dollars and all sorts of different like groovy shit that we need to make stuff with. Yeah. What is what do the governor say? I'm trying to find the real quote. I'll just go with what I have right now. Don't much put it up for me. I am. Oh, okay. So this is just a... That's the only one I've found so far. It's in the... I'm already looking for states to acquire... Ways. A ways for states to acquire a Lahaina. Go put that in a search engine.

2:10:33I did. That's why I'm on Twitter, because it wasn't coming up in a search engine. So he said it in a speech, but it's crazy to have quick stuff to be suppressed and disappear. You got to look I started using brave browser recently. I gave up on duck. Go duck. Go seems to have gone the way of Google It's very difficult to find things that are inconvenient, but brave seems to be Unzensored and it doesn't seem to be curated But after I say that they probably get them to this I don't know who to use. I don't know what to do anymore. It's like the whole thing is so far. That's where all of this gets so hard is like I want to believe there's truth in that we have somewhere where we have still have integrity and honesty and transparency.

2:11:16It doesn't mean you always get it right. It's only an independent... It's only an independent journalism now. You get that from Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taiyeebe, Glenn Greenwald. You get that from those type of people. You don't get that from anywhere else anymore. It's good that we have those type of people that they're there and they'll hold people accountable and tell you the real numbers of things and you know and and give you the facts behind what caused conflicts not just report on the conflicts but explain to you what happened? I said I'm already thinking about ways for the state to acquire that land so we could put it into workforce housing to put it back into families or to make it open spaces and perpetuity as memorial to people who are lost that is a crazy thing to say because as soon as you say state to acquire that land and we'll decide the awesome things to do with it.

2:12:06That's now you took very, very, very valuable land and you could say, hey, we're going to sell it to a resort and the resort is going to donate. It's all these wonderful funds. How many people are missing from the fire, Jamie? Oh my god. That's so crazy. Because the problem with fires is like you need like dental records and shit, you know, like when it gets down to someone dying and like, and in front of them. missing at this point they're gone. I have a buddy of mine that was a firefighter and he told me some crazy shit. It's just going into a building with burning people and it is madness. Okay, so 1 ,000 people reported missing.

2:12:49Whoa. Yeah, so this death toll. Way off. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, it's more than five deaths were confirmed but I think the problem is when they can say 102 deaths confirmed and they don't say, but yet there's 990 people missing. You can say that because it's very difficult to confirm who these people are. There's not much left. It's so scary. Fire is so fucking scary. And when you've been evacuated by fire, there was one time where I was coming home from the comedy store. I got evacuated the same day. But as I was coming home from the comedy store, as I was driving to my house, the whole right side of the highway over the tops of the hills was inflamed.

2:13:31Like all the hills, like as you get like woodland hills and shit in flames, just in flames like fire coming over hills, you're watching houses go up in flames. It's such a weird feeling because that's when you realize that we all have this very naive idea. And by the way, people working on wildfires and those firefighters who work 24 -7 and just fucking state alive on coffee and those people are fucking heroes. But there's not enough of them. Okay, when this cop told me, this firefighter rather told me when we were doing fear factor once, it was one day. It goes one day of fire. It's gonna hit the right conditions with the right wind and it's gonna burn through L .A.

2:14:10all the way to the ocean. We can't do anything to stop it. And I was like, really? He goes, yeah, when they get real big, there's nothing you can do. And I always thought that guy was just, that was hyperbole until I saw what happened in my fucking neighborhood. And I was like, this is nuts, man. No, I don't know enough about, Do they do control burns and all that in California now to try and stop like create stop gaps and all that for the fires or how does that how do they even do that? What is this Jamie? Updated because this is an updated though. From the first thing I found which was says November 18th, 2023.

2:14:43Right the original thing we read that said a thousand from September so it's 60 days before this. Oh September but I thought it was September this year. No. No. So it's still September 2022. So this is a hundred days after the Malifiers four names remain on the missing list So so they found a bunch of those people's that we're saying yeah, there's currently only two Oh, there's only two missing period as if I found the website that has their names listed Oh, so the other death toll is 102 yeah, so why did they say so the death toll was elevated when they thought a thousand people were missing?

2:15:18Is that what it was and then those people had a There's only two people missing. Here's what I looked up. I typed in Malay Fire people missing when you click on the first thing. That says how many people were missing in the Malay Fire. That's what I clicked on that you read. The date on that is a thousand. So in 2018, September 18, 2023. That's real right after. And then in November, they had narrowed down to four people. Yes. OK, go back. What's below that? Why are so many people still missing in Malay? That's in September of 2023. What is it? They have an explanation. They have an explanation.

2:15:54But I'm hoping maybe New York Magazine has an explanation. That makes more sense.

2:16:02Oh, you son's a bitch. Did Maui officials released the 308 names of people unaccounted for in the Maui fire? Click on that. That's down to two. That's what's on the website. Right. Two people listed. But what it says right here is more than a hundred within a day. August 25th. I'm reading it. 388 names of people unaccounted for following the WCOS wildfires in more than a century, more than 100 of them or the relatives came forward to say they're safe. So this was in August. So 100 of the 388 people. So that number of 1 ,000 was just the initial number. So that was like when every 300 people. That's still crazy.

2:16:44reported missing. There's over 3 ,000 according to the other thing or initially reported missing. That means that they could have found them the next day, found two days later, three days later, or months later. But it's also an island. It can't be that hard to find. Yeah, but you probably don't report when you stay with relatives in the Honolulu because you're house burnt down and how you probably just go over there and stay there. Self -covered problems and all sorts of stuff. They could contact people. Maybe, you know, it's a lot of possibilities. I feel like. So that's good that there was less people die, that's for sure.

2:17:13But it's still fucked that they're trying to take the land. And that what they're doing is they're making it very difficult for these people to rebuild. And most of them haven't even started yet. Well, and then I know too, I mean it's taken forever for people to get their insurance claims and their money. And that happens even here with hurricanes. It's a, you know, if you don't have the money to pay for stuff yourself, you're stuck battling the insurance company. If you don't have the money to battle the insurance company, then you're really in a tough spot. Right. Yeah, it's dark. It's I had a I had a during a hurricane in Houston at our pharmacy.

2:17:46I had a tree damage the roof, but then it wasn't covered by flood insurance because they said it was wind driven rain. Anyways, it was like $60 ,000 in damage that the insurance didn't cover. Why? Because they can say it's wind driven rain not flood not rising water. And so So water damage is very specific. Yeah, they have different ways. Driven rain is okay. A blue pollina out of paying your coverage. And so for somebody who's it's their house, you know, who maybe doesn't have the money to fight the insurance companies, they just put a tarp on the roof and live with it as long as they can until they can afford to fix it.

2:18:24Oh my God. So when you got water coverage, you thought you were getting coverage from shit like that? Yeah, yeah, I had flood insurance, everything and it doesn't cover it. So I got I got left I have told in the bad when you're in insurance. Can you get insurance for a tree droppin' on your house? Yeah, there is. Yeah, there is general insurance, but I don't know how it all works. Like, fuck this, different, different, different, different degrees. And there's always a lie of it. There's always a loophole. Oh, oh, yeah. God. Insurance is a racket. And then even in healthcare insurance, you know, like.

2:18:53What is an arachid? Is there a thing out there that's not an arachid? I know church, religion, everything's an arachid. Well, some church is an arachid. Some church is great. So I'm sure it's very beneficial for people. I think that a lot more as a motor. I think it's like a good, I think Zubi said this. I think he called it like an immune system. And it's a good immune system protect you from the bullshit in society. Yeah. I think I'm paraphrasing him for sure, but I think that's accurate. As great as we are as this humans, we are tribal like he said. So we find reasons to see how we're different and where to argue and where to fight.

2:19:32And I think that allows corruption to creep in. And it's insidious, it spreads. It's in every aspect of life. As soon as you let people have money doing a thing, and as soon as you can attach something to something that people are deeply opposed to, like whatever Trump is for, you're against, no matter what, it's just, when you could find a thing like that, that's the enemy believes it. People are so reluctant to look at real data. They're so reliant, even the people that don't want murderers and rapists and drug dealers sneaking across the border They'll find a way to say like one of the things they like to say is Migrants statistically commit less crimes than people live here.

2:20:16That's what they say. They love to say that one Yeah, but you know what that is you know what that's accounting for gang violence People that are in prison like they you're you're you're looking at everybody

2:20:31Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and also we have a lot of crime So what the fuck are you trying to say? It's not like the average person is out there committing all these crimes No, it's a very small number of people that are career criminals. Yeah, they're poor people They're fucking they grew up in terrible environments. They started doing crime when they were young They're criminals their career criminals. Yeah, there's a small percentage of those and they fuck the numbers up So if you want to say that like migrants statistically, like, okay, okay, statistically, but statistically that's not what we're talking about.

2:21:00Yeah, that's right. We're talking about let, just no justification for letting in murderers. Mark Twain, there's lies, there's damn lies, and then there's statistics. Right, I mean, how do they find those statistics when they say that migrants are less likely? First of all, they're not even arresting them in some places. Like, would they treat it as sanctuary cities? Like, people are dealing with that in Aurora, Colorado. They're not even arresting people. They commit crimes cops will tell you they can't arrest them because it's a safe Sure, they don't arrest if it's under $1 ,300 or something.

2:21:29Oh, yeah, and so they just let them walk out with TVs. They just don't know for it's under like San Francisco according to some people that I know that Living there is getting better because of AI so Chimath was saying that when the super nerds are running things everything's great But as soon as like the mid -level people start taking over they get through with ideology They get through with like progressive virtue signaling and that's how they get ahead because they're mostly mediocre people And so when they start to get a grip of the city, you're kind of fucked Yeah, but if the AI Becomes the dominant force in the industry again Then the super nerds will be back in control again And if the super nerds are in control they'll fix all these things.

2:22:10I'll clean all it because it's logical It's logical to not have people like camping on the streets and fucking shooting up in the middle of you know like parks and stuff. I wonder even with AI, like as we get down in that, like we were talking about, it's a way more complex conversation than today, but like what are they gonna do with the massive displacements and jobs between AI and robotics and humanoid robots? I mean, there's 10 companies out there that are launching robots, not just Elon. And those are backed by chat, GPT and large language models that are rapidly approaching the level of human knowledge and into like that of the average human.

2:22:46And like it's there. I walked by the Tesla store the other day at the domain I was thinking to buy an robot. Oh, they have them there? They have a robot. I don't think you can buy it. Oh, they already had it. They could buy it. I'd probably buy that robot. I was talking to my kids like, you guys think we should get a robot? It'd be awesome. I think you trust that fucker. You trust that fucker? Well, Russia could hack a robot. We already have, you know, everyone has Alexa in their house and you know, what was that one like? I told her, I made a joke about the government. I laughed, Alex laughed, so did the FBI or whatever it is.

2:23:17It's so entrenched in our world. I don't know. I don't know. It isn't entrenched, but it's mostly illegal to use. It's mostly illegal what they're doing. If the FBI is really using your Wi -Fi to follow you around your house all day long, that's kind of a violation of your privacy. That's a real technology that's available now. It should be available. If there's a situation where there's a fucking terrorist and he's in a house and he's got a suicide vest and you can use Wi -Fi to locate him and know exactly where he is and you protect all these other people. So that's justification for having some kind of technology in the hands of some intelligence agents.

2:23:53That makes great. But if you're using it to gather dirt on old Brigham because Brigham's got a big old mouth when he's talking about the pharmaceutical drug and you have a fucking group of people that are working to put together a dossier on you. It's all nuts man. It's nuts and it's like right out in the open. But with the AI and the way things are headed too though, like when we talk about displacement of jobs, so many people think it's gonna be like trade workers. And I'm like, no, this is gonna replace clinicians, this is going to replace doctors, lawyers, a lot of... Dude, a lot of things.

2:24:29A lot. And you're gonna need universal basic income according to most people who understand economics. I don't know if they're right, but it makes sense to me. Universal basic income scares me because incentivizing people to not work scares me. Giving people an excuse to not, it's bad for people. It just is, it's bad for kids. If you just give your kids everything they want and they never learn how to work hard, you're fucking them up. And the problem with just giving people a check, they're not gonna wanna, if you get enough to eat and you have recreation money and you have a roof over your head and you don't have to work at all.

2:25:05Like in working for like a little bit more than that and then you lose those benefits, It's fuck that. I would rather like pair down my lifestyle. I say this, you also need a purpose. Like Invictor Frankl's a man search for meaning. He survived that Nazi concentration camp because he had a purpose, a higher calling. I can tell you, when I'm just eating shit sandwich isn't getting my head stomped in. Right now running these companies, over 300 employees, DEA, FDA, you know, fightin' big pharma, all the things we battle. There are a lot of days I go to bed with anxiety and stress, but I go to bed feeling like I'm really on the right side of something positive.

2:25:43I really, truly do. When I was a device rep, I made good money, but I went to bed miserable every night. And I felt like I'm just kind of a pawn and a scheme and we're not really making an impact. So I go back to I think people humans we need a purpose. And so that scares me the most is a lot of people's purpose, if it's not being a mother or father or sibling, they find purpose in their trade and their craft and their job and their cause. So what do we do when it's a really good question? If you wanted to look at it long term, if you're being objective and not taking your account, human emotions and suffering and the disruption of lives that it's undeniably going to cause, if you just wanted to look at us objectively, you would say this is inevitable transition, a very painful transition into a technological world.

2:26:35And human beings are going to have to adapt. And if this was available to them when they were babies, they would have adapted to exist in that world. They would have find things to do for a living that only humans can do. Because they're very personal things that only humans can do. There's always going to be a market for handmade things. There's always going to be a market for... I like a painting that I know the guy who made it. Yeah. You know what I mean? I love that. I love that. I look at like like that painting up there. You know my friend Taylor made that. I know him. Yeah, hung out with the dude.

2:27:06That's missing. Yeah, that's missing Yeah, but that there's a big thing that Taylor made that and he's my friend. I know him That's a piece of you have some of the coolest art in your studio and at and at the club like I love our super cool art Art's amazing. I love it. I get it gets it makes me feel different when I'm when I'm looking at something that someone made It makes me feel better when I see your leg over 10 stuff I love that. It's like you're looking, it is insane, the detail and like, it's crazy. It's the only thing I'm allowed to have in my house. I don't know why. I don't know why I'm allowed to decorate my house.

2:27:42Because it would look like a fucking baby's house. It would look like a man baby. It would all be like toys everywhere. I'm not allowed to decorate my house. But I do have three Greg Overton paintings. Everything else is my wife figured everything else out. I'm just gonna go ahead, just give me a little space. Give me a little, so I got an L -CAD in the kitchen, in the dining table, over the dining table. First, L -Ca shot with a bow, but it's not like the stuff, it's just a skull. Yeah, you just do that, you're a gay man. That's what I like. Do you have any taxidermies? No, no, no, no, taxidermies, that's dolls.

2:28:14Yeah. You know, that's what that is. My friend Tyler does it, you know? I love Tyler from Archery Country. Yeah. He makes taxidermies, taxidermies are not for us. I think they look, like when you go to, you know, one of these lodges where they have like, entire scenes. I saw one, the guy on the second story of his house, like has a kudu drinking out of water and it's literally a crocodile coming up. I mean, it's wild. Yeah, especially in Texas. My friend told me that he went over this guy's house and the guy had a stuffed chimpanzee and the chimpanzee, when you got near him, he was like rigged where his, his like eyes would light up and his dick would pop up.

2:28:55Like they had it, you know how you like walk by those haunted house things. Yeah. You walk by him as eyes light up and his dick pops up. Because of you, we watched what was the chimpsh. Oh, chimps crazy. Oh my god. Oh my god. It's insane. Insane. It's nuts. These people are out of their fucking mind. And it's weird because it's the same as Tiger King in a way like it's the same personality quirk. You know what I'm saying? like it's this weird personality court. When you watch it, you see some of the like, I don't wanna say mental health issues, but some of that's what you should say. Or whatever they are.

2:29:31Oh, they're mentally ill people. Yeah, they're mentally ill crazy people who have giant primates that live in their house in cages. And everyone's face gets ripped off. Oh yeah, they all take their noses off. Oh my God. Yeah, they rip their eyes out. Yeah, it's nuts. And for the first four or five years, the monkey gets to go everywhere. So the chimp gets to go to the pizza place. Nobody loves them. Chimp gets to go here. But then they get a little older. And now they're in a cage all day. Yeah. So they used to be free. They used to go to the town. Everybody was their friend. Yeah. Now suddenly they're in a fucking cage.

2:30:02And when they get out of that cage, they fuck people up. Yeah. They're so mad. And then they have that hormone dump. I think they were saying the male primates are like five or six years old. So they become really hard to domesticate or keep as a pet because they get violent. I mean, they're way of communicating the cast. That's why that lady's 15 year old. She can hang out with it and watch 2001. That's a castrated 15 year old chimpanzee. That's why it's so skinny too. It looks like Michael Jackson. Skinny. The other ones look jacked. You know, they look like Mike Tyson is primed. They think the law school they have.

2:30:35I haven't messaged Tony about it, but the Vince McMahon. What do you mean? They just dropped the Vince McMahon docky series on Netflix. Oh, it's not about chimpanzees. No, no, this one's like, what a new Netflix show? No, no, this is a new Netflix went about Vince McMahon and the WWE. It's pretty intense. No, I was even speaking of muscles and some wild shit. Of course it was. I mean, when you're that jacked in your 70s, what are you on? Yeah, like what do you want to be that jacked in your 70s? Yeah. It got probably out of his fucking mind and partying. Did you really shit on someone's head? Is that real?

2:31:08I'm still I'm only on like the second episode, but they're getting into like, there was a lot of, uh, there was some weird stuff like they even, and they were even bringing in little kids, kind of like going down that Epstein path. Oh my God. They talk about that, like not teenage boys, kids though, 15, 16 year old kids working crews and stuff that were being utilized, sexually and exploited and they, yeah. There's a lot of sinister stuff in there. I don't know how much of this is just allegations. Yeah, it's all allegations and whistleblowers and I mean, who knows? I don't, you never know anymore.

2:31:42Imagine how much liberty you have to take with the truth if you make up a story about someone shitting on your head. If you like, you know what? This, whatever happened, not bad enough. I want him to like, shit on my head. Let's like say, shit on my head. Yeah. But to make that up, you have to be, that's such an insane thing. But when you look at Vince McMahon, you go, I bet he did that. Yeah, I bet he did it. Yeah. He looks like he's insane. He's fucking jacked and - But you also have to change that around his imaginary world where you've created this character and then at what point does the character become you and you mean when you've done it for 30 40 years whatever it was right because he grew up his dad right founded it and he was integral into the storylines and then became like his character was the pompous Vince McMahon right elitist like that was his whole character that was his stick so did that bleed into life does reality become oh definitely does it become reality for sure it must It has to I know what does with comedians.

2:32:42Yeah comedians like become their character like Andrew dice Clay Used to be Andrew Silverstein Yeah dice was a character these to do yeah in his act and there just became him Yeah, you know and like Sam Kinnison same thing like Sam Kinnison became the beast because that's what everybody wanted He was like captured by it. They became that guy. Yeah, yeah If you're a Vince McMahon and like your whole thing is fuck you. I run this game. You're all out of your fucking mind I'm gonna shit in your head. I'm like, he probably just pushed into the limit. Plus, you add in a lot of recreational substances.

2:33:12Yeah. Which I'm sure there was plenty of. Yeah. What did it say about that? They haven't gotten into that. I'm going to sit by the second episode. They're talking about steroid use and they're definitely, I didn't know that they indicted him for selling steroids to his athletes. I mean, a lot of crazy stuff. Oh, really? Yeah, they tried to indict him and he fought it. I think he got off. Have you ever seen any of the more plates, more dates videos about trend. No, from Derek. I've watched Derek. Derek, I love his coverage. He's so smart. He breaks stuff down so eloquently. But there's so much talk about trend for whatever reason and sexual deviance like guys who turn gay when they're doing trend.

2:33:52Like just, these guys are taking crazy doses of this super powerful steroid. Yeah. And they're just doing a while fucking things. They get trend cough. Yeah, like a crazy cough. And just I don't know, that fucking mind. Just deviant. That's crazy. It is, it's such a short term. There's so many bad things that can happen there. It is crazy to me. But if you want a career in pro wrestling, and you want to be a fucking animal, and you want to get hit by a chair every night, like you're traveling across the country, probably a good drug. They are some of the most banged, like, God, man, we've had the opportunity to work with several big WWE wrestlers and they have put their bodies through hell.

2:34:35For, I mean, I would say even more than jujitsu and MMA guys and NFL guys out of everybody we've worked with, the wrestlers are the most beat to shit. You know who's not beat to shit? The rock. Yeah. Crazy. I mean, he's got his little injuries and shit like that. The guy looks like a fucking superhero. Yeah. He's 50 years old. He's been through like how many years of WWE also play football and look at him. He's fine. Yeah. It's nuts. He's an anomaly. The most anomalous of anomalies. Because all those other guys that I met, Jake the snake, I mean Hulk Hogan's, fuck man, his back's fucked, he's gotta walk with a cane.

2:35:07He's all banged up. And you see him shrinking. Well his back's a little shorter and smaller than anywhere from all the back and spine surgeries. He's lost like four inches. So four inches of spine being compressed. It's so crazy man. And he said it was from that drop. But we do that all the time. Every time he did it, he's compressing his spine. Yeah, just ruined his back doing that. Yeah, it's scary speaking to someone looks like a champ How about Brock Lesnar when he flipped through the air and landed on his head? Yeah, Brock Lesnar look like a shaved champ Like if you see his shaved champ like that's that's what you've seen his dog except he's too wide She's a wrestler too.

2:35:43I like I believe your wrestler. She's jack jeans on to real. That's biking jeans Well, that wasn't a boat Pulling into the harbor Can you imagine being back there like half starving in Brock Lesnar gets off a boat walking onto your land? They're like, go live anyway. And you see that guy get off a boat with a sword. That's what the Vikings are. I think of that Shane Gillis joke. Oh yeah. That's a great joke. But they did do a lot of that too. They raped everybody. Vikings were unbelievably brutal. And they do a lot of drugs too, apparently. They would do a lot of psychedelics and human sacrifices and all sorts of stuff.

2:36:21Yeah, they would sacrifice people. Do you ever see that show Vikings? Oh, I loved it. Yeah, Ragnar Lothbrook and like, like a show. Yeah, it was so good. Yeah, great show. My wife bailed on it after a while. She could deal with everybody getting hacked to death by swords like after a while. Like, okay, he's... Yeah, stop. As you got in the lake, I don't know how far you followed. I've been going into Ivar, the boneless, and but all these are historical figures that... Oh yeah. And there's truth, like it's fictional, what is it, fictional history or whatever it is, but it is based in some truth, which is fascinating.

2:36:52Oh yeah, the actual things that they did, they really did. Yeah, which is just, they were so nuts, man. But there's been so many instances like that in history of like groups of unbelievable savages that accomplished insane things, just by pure barbarism and slaughter of innocent people. Yeah, like the Mongols. I was watching something about Mongolia today. There was these guys who are fitness influencers went to go experience these Mongolian wrestlers and these Mongolian wrestlers like these giants of Mongolia, these fucking tanks, these dudes are throwing each other around and they got to like eat food with them and hang out with them and experience it like these.

2:37:36That's what's left over. Did you ever watch Marco Polo? No, I watched a little bit of it. I watched the beginning of it. But I don't know what happened. It didn't get, but it was really, really good at Genghis Khan. And I think you've taught this like, isn't it one -hate of the world's population? 10%. Yeah, I think he was dealing with Jenghis Khan's son. I think he was dealing with Jenghis Khan's son. Okay, I think it was the Empire was already in decline by that time. You know, it's like once Jenghis Khan died, his sons took over, his family took over, and then it kind of fell apart after a while.

2:38:04Because you need a fucking psycho. You need a guy who's got DNA. And what was the number, Jamie, when we last looked at like what percentage of the population in Asia has genus cons DNA it's something nuts like 5 % of everybody so I'm like still has it this fucking guy who lived in what 1200 when did genus con live I think was 1200 so all these years later this dude has 5 % what was it you and I were talking about if you go back to like like ancient Mesopotamia, it's only like 50 something humans ago if you base it off people living to be 100. It's not, it's nothing. It's nothing. Okay, it's more than that.

2:38:46It's 5 % of the male, excuse me, zero point, yeah. 5 % of the male population worldwide. Half percent. Half percent, right, not 5%. Worldwide, but what is it in Asia? That is still crazy. Zero point 5 % of the male population worldwide, but what is it in Asia? Asia and Asia, I think it's nuts. 8 % maybe? Is that what it says? Okay. 8 % that's nuts. So 750 years of Jengus Khan's heritage, this mutation occurred in 8 % of males and 16 different populations that were being studied. So one half of a percent of everyone on Earth, 8 % of people that live there. That isn't. So what was it like when he was alive?

2:39:30Was everybody fucking their cousin because you like couldn't help it? Because jing is con fucked everybody so he would when they would conquer a town He would take everyone's wife. Yeah, you would just kill all the men fuck all the ladies. They all became his wives. Yeah And he just did that everywhere. Yeah, they that was in They did that in Ireland to the British Royalty or a wrist of crats would would impregnate the Irish men on the night of their wedding they would impregnate their wives. Oh Jesus. That was where, that's what Braveheart was about. He came back and blanking out on his name, but fought for the Irish to, because they were basically raping their wives and making sure that they were raising British nobleborn instead of Irish people.

2:40:13I just listen to a book on this. That's what's one of the myths that come from that. Not that it didn't never, never happened, but this, it didn't really happen. Jamie's a party pooper. Yeah. That was, they were going to spank Jamie. Jamie there's a great courses on Audible is going through. But if you look at it, like they didn't really get into in the movie, but when we did Europe, we did a tour where they were breaking down like how bad they tortured him and mutilated him in a public setting prior to killing him. William Walls? Oh my god, it's brutal. Yeah. Yeah. It's what it, what's the myth aspect of it?

2:40:47Oh, about the, that they like raped the peasants wives or whatever on their wedding days. It might have been one king or a couple like aristocratic type people that might have been dickheads and did it, but it wasn't like a thing that happened. Like, regularly. Like, yeah. Yeah. So it wasn't a pandemic of rape. Right. There was a lot of rape in going on. Well, there's like, yeah. Costume. I mean, if you go back long enough, it's all rape. Yeah. You know, like, how far do you have to go back in human history? Like, was there any cave people that were like male feminists? Yeah. right? It was fucking, it was their barbaric.

2:41:22They killed each other. They stole wives. I remember reading this book about Comanche, with her talking about this one Comanche warrior who wanted this other Comanche's wife. So he killed the guy in eight a piece of his heart and then took his wife. Like that was humans. That's what humans did. I know you had him on, but in the Empire of the Summer Moon, I'm so excited for that to come out as as a series. If he's, if who's directing is that Taylor Sheridan? Yeah, Taylor Sheridan. And if they do it, and Taylor's gonna do it by the book, I know Taylor, he'll do it by the book. By the way, he's got a great steakhouse.

2:42:00He just opened up in Vegas. The four sixes, four six steakhouse. I think it's like a pop up right now, but we ate at it last time we're in Vegas. It's fucking great. It's all meat from his ranch. What a cool guy. Cool guy. Got his own ranch, surprise, makes a steakhouse, supplies them meat. It's fucking brilliant. And then he also leases the horses in the livestock and all of that to Paramount. Oh, that's smart. Yeah. And his ranch, he leases to Paramount, which is brilliant because he is a real cowboy with real cowboys that he, you know, I also love that he casts real cowboys into this subsidiary roles or the supporting roles of the cheese.

2:42:36He used to cowboy had a ranch, a friend of mine works out in California. Oh, really? Yeah, he like did real cowboy work. Oh, that's funny. Before he ever cheated on horse. We made it. We're watching him on horse. When he's doing all his crazy horse stuff, I mean, it's wild. How awesome his horses are that he's trained. He's a great podcast guest too. Very interesting guy. Super fucking smart. And those shows, all the Yellowstone shows are fucking incredible. And the new ones are the best ones. Like if you go to like from Yellowstone was great. And then there was 1883 was great. And then the last one, the 1923, the Harrison Ford one, that's fucking great.

2:43:13They're all great. They just get better. I think 1883 is the most recent, and that's my favorite. That's the one when the family was making a cross. I love because it shows how, it just shows the reality of how hard life was. I mean, it was brutal for everyone. For everyone there. Like, God, it was brutal. And so accurate, like so accurate as to how people died and what they what they dealt with and fuck man people phone off wagons getting run over by the wheels like that kind of That's why if you've ever played Oregon Trail and in elementary school or that's what they have when I was in elementary school And you I would always die of syphilis or dysentery I would never survive dysentery or What was it dysentery and are you get killed by Indians or whatever it is?

2:43:58But you look at house statistically unlikely it is that we're all here right? I got to believe it's for a reason and we gotta be here for something, right? We gotta be, and I don't want us to squander. At the very least, if we're not here for something, the very least we can maximize our time here. One of the things that the reason why this is very important to me is everything I do, I need energy. Everything I do, I need a lot of energy. I need a lot of energy to stand up, I need a lot of energy to do Jiu -Jitsu, I need a lot of energy to do archery, I need a lot of energy to do podcasts, I need a lot of energy to do.

2:44:32You have seat shows. If you're weak and tired, you won't be as good at anything you do. Anything you do. And the one thing that you have control over, if you're a person who takes care of your diet and exercise, the one thing that you're gonna have control over is you will be able to give your vehicle more energy. That's real. If you really do the right things in terms of with your health, your risk accordingly, you eat the right foods, take vitamins, men's workout, plan it all out. People say so often that like eating healthy, working out, it's expensive, it takes time, but being chronically ill is way more expensive.

2:45:09It takes way more time. And you have to choose your heart, but there is no path that's just gonna be a cake walk. You don't even need a fucking gym. If you have a YouTube account and a laptop, you can watch yoga videos and you can do them at home. If you get one 35 pound kettlebell, My friend Keith Weber, he's got this extreme kettlebell cardio series. He's got a bunch of different ones that you can do. But there's a few of them that are online. And I did one the other day. It was fucking brutal. 35 pound kettlebell. It doesn't cost anything to get one of those things. How much is a 35 pound kettlebell?

2:45:41You get it once. You never have to buy another one. And me, after all the years of using kettlebells, I still can get a fucking ass kicking workout with one 35 pound kettlebell. And if you think you can't, follow that YouTube video and try. Just give it a try. Even walking. Casey has a stat. She'll drop on you. I don't remember the number, so I won't even attempt. But just walking a few days a week. Especially after a week. Especially after a week. It's insane the difference in all -cause mortality risk and reduction in chronic disease. Yeah, you got to move around. Yeah. Otherwise, your body's feeble.

2:46:13If your body's feeble, it's not going to be able to handle diseases. It's not going to be able to handle injuries. How many people die by falling down because they're older? You know, this is something that Peter Atia talks about quite a lot. is that it's very important for older people to live weights, you know, not for vanity, but to be able to protect yourself from falling. If you're falling and you're feeble, you can't do anything to stop the fall, you know? Yeah, after the age, I think it's after the age of 65, one of your greatest risk factors is a fracture. Yeah. If you fracture a hip or a vertebrae, you have between a 15 and 35 % chance of being dead within a year.

2:46:45Oh my God. It's one of the greatest risk factors. And think about it because your body has to recover and rebuild and you don't have all the health and youth that you had in your earlier years. But surgery is for older people to get muscle and keep bone mineral density and get proactive and all the things we've talked about. If we start monitoring your bone mineral density in your 20s, to your 30s, to your 40s, we know your family history, your petite girl, you're going to experience a decline in bone mineral density, we've got to get ahead of that. One of the things they did that ruined that for so many women was the Women's Health initiative, scaring them out of hormone optimization for women.

2:47:24And it terrified women, telling them that it was going to cause cancer and all these things which ends up being the opposite of what it does. And it did a huge disservice to women that created indirectly a rise in osteoporosis and osteopenia. But one of the companies that was funding that was Merck and Merck sells an osteoporosis drug. They have a blockbuster osteoporosis drug called Phosphamax that they printed money on during that time frame. Oh my god. And so it's hard because they do say trust the science and I'm not telling people don't trust the science Trust but verify let's keep honest people honest.

2:47:58But the problem is that science is very difficult to verify Yeah, especially science that's given to you by the pharmaceutical drug companies because when one of things was a John Abramson There was tell who's litigated these cases against pharmaceutical drug companies one of the things that he was saying is that he was part of the that when you get the peer reviewed data, you don't get access to the data, you get access to the review of the data. So, and you also don't get access to all the studies that they did that didn't show a positive. I'm sure you saw that Stephen Crowder thing where he caught that COVID -Zar guy.

2:48:30Yes, yes. Well, they had to talk about it. Yeah, the video. When he was talking about monkey pox. Yes, the monkey pox drug. That's nuts. He was intentionally saying that he was being funded to say those things. Yes. And mislead the public. that they were trying to sell more of those drugs and that the reality is most people aren't going to get monkeypox is like you have to get it from case X. Yeah. Sorry. Well, and it makes total sense because again, not to say, when you're in it, you think you're doing right. I don't think that people are out there trying to harm humanity. I don't. I really want to hope that's not the case.

2:49:01But when I was a drug rep at 22 and you bring in a thought leader from Harvard that tells me all the ways that they're using this brilliant mental health drug off label and then you put tremendous pressure and give me an expense account and send me out to drinks with a doctor. And I'm sitting there and the doctor's like, where else can I use this drug? You're like, do I tell him what that guy from Harvard told me? Because I also signed a contract that said I wouldn't, but then the company taught me all that and put me in this environment. And it's like a wink, wink nod nod. And the pressure is to grow the patient population on a drug.

2:49:35That's why GLP1s went from being for diabetic obese people to now let's help people lose weight for spring. Real quick. Real quick. Real and it got accepted fast. And that's what's scary. And it got called the Kardashian drug, which was brilliant because there's no evidence they took it. Oh really? I don't. I've never heard any evidence they took it. But it's what you all, you heard about. I saw it on Twitter, the Kardashian drug, and the early days of these GLP1s, ozampic and wagovie, they were talking about it and people were calling it the Kardashian drug. And they were saying all these women in Hollywood are taking it.

2:50:08I didn't know that. I don't even know if they took it. because I know they have trainers, you know? So they might have just worked out. It might be bullshit. Yeah. But everybody's like, oh, they're doing it. Oh, those bitches. Like, one of my wife's friends sent her an image of this woman and said, oh my god, everyone is on ozemic these days. Just because the woman was skinny. And it's like, first of all, that lady's always been skinny. You can find pictures over from 30 years ago she was skinny. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah. Everybody wants to like, oh, that bitch, she's on it. So so we don't give anybody misinformation we interrupted this podcast because jambi found out at the end of the podcast that one of the Kardashians has her own GLP one daily pill.

2:50:48It's the latest product capitalized on weight loss truck This is Courtney Kardashian who's the thinnest like she was always thin, which is odd so Just so people know but the point was at the beginning everyone was calling it the Kardashian drug Maybe they were right back to the show. But and that's what people do with everything though they want to think that it's the most eye opening thing having got behind the scenes and met you and then met Cam and met Aaron Rogers and met all the every person that you have introduced me to works their ass off. The level of dedication and commitment and their schedules are crazy and the pressure is crazy and the stress is crazy.

2:51:35And they have kids and families and they find a way, it comes up at what, three in the morning to go run 30 miles. He doesn't have to do that anymore because he doesn't have regular job anymore. Okay, well that's good. Finally, I tried to talk that guy in a quitness job for like 10 fucking years. From the moment I met him, like quit that job dude, you can make more money doing this. I was like trying to convince him, took forever. It's just inspiring to see because you can sit on the outside and think, oh that guy who's on top of the mountain. He didn't, he's lucky. They got lucky. But you don't realize is you didn't see all the steps that it took for that guy to get a girl to get to the top of the mountain.

2:52:10Cam was running marathons in the morning before work when he was working eight hour days. He would get up 3 .30 in the morning, run a fucking marathon, and then take three days off of work, take his, you know, vacation time and go run the Moab 240, run 240 miles through the fucking mountains. like that's a regular guy with a regular job. And if you don't get inspired by that and realize like there's more in the tank than you think there is. And the people like that, the benefit of people like that is that through their discipline you can learn that you could do these things too. You can get inspired by it.

2:52:46Not maybe you can't run the Moab 240, but you will most certainly hold yourself to a higher standard when you know there's someone out there that's really bust in their ass and trying to make things happen. It's motivating. Like a Philip Rowe. I know we become really good friends. Filly fresh from UFC. Love it, dude. Working as a UPS guy, raising two kids, training MMA and his spare time, and like trying to get all his work in, makes it into the UFC. I mean, that's insane. How about Deon Dewilder? He was driving for like, with Budweiser or Coca -Cola or something like that. Remember who he was driving for?

2:53:22What was it? I think it's a cold cold. Driving, delivering trucks at like 21, starts boxing at 23 wins a bronze medal in the fucking Olympics. It's so crazy. Crazy. Budwizer. It's just so nice. It's just so nice. It's just so nice. It's just so nice. The reason I'm saying this is there is hope people, like any of you guys can do it, we can take care of his kid who had medical problems. That's cool. You need to take care of his kid. So I'll become a pro boxer. That is so crazy. Crazy and it has the gift this one in a fucking hundred million gift of power that he had Yeah, it's nuts, but people like that exist to inspire you to do more and you know You could say fuck her.

2:54:06She's on a zimper or maybe she's not maybe she's really healthy and she fucking works out every day Maybe that yeah, maybe that too Maybe instead of going oh fuck that she's on a zimper going damn that bitch looks good. What's she doing? Yeah, what are you doing and then maybe find out what she's doing? Maybe just realize you could do more yourself. And if you did, everything that you could do to make yourself healthy wouldn't even have the urge to look at someone else and say, oh, she's on ozemic. You wouldn't care. You would not give a fuck. What you see is people momentum creates momentum. And even individuals I know that have taken ozemic, a lot of those people are, they just needed wins on the board and they needed to create momentum.

2:54:44And these really obese individuals, when they start seeing their hope and the weight starts coming off, is crazy as it is, the diet, the lifestyle, the nutrition, all that starts to fall in line more and more, and then they get a win on the board, and now they're the guy who's going to the gym three days a week. And that's the benefit of SSRIs too, for some people. For some people, and for Ari, that was the benefit of him. He was really depressed, it was really bad. And I think it had something to do with taking DHT blockers. So he was taking whatever the fuck that stuff is for your hair, what's that stuff called?

2:55:15Propecia. Propecia, who's taking that? They can really fuck up your hormones. Yeah, some people, and it wrecked him. It wrecked him. It got him very depressed. But the SSRI's helped him get over the hump and he eventually got off of him. And when his life is doing better, what a shock. He feels better. He's happy. His career's doing great. He's fucking not depressed anymore. Oh, crazy. They're all related. People would try to tell you that your life sucking has no bearing on the level of depression that you have. Well, that's crazy. That's crazy. Because there are people whose lives are seemingly on paper amazing and they're still depressed, but I guarantee you They probably have their priorities off and I guarantee you they probably don't exercise and if they do it's some rare Inbalance that some people do have I can tell you I mean running businesses I've of course everyone has stress and anxiety if I didn't do an ice bath or go do Moitai For if I take a week off my anxiety is terrible I mean, I would have almost crippling anxiety, but doing physical activity and doing hard things and doing the ice bath and doing the sauna and going through that method in that process, I mean, it helps me immensely.

2:56:23100%. You're used to a certain level of adversity. And if you have no adversity, adversity is very difficult to handle. But if you give yourself voluntary adversity that far exceeds anything, you're going to experience outside of that. You're way better at handling stuff. If your workouts are so fucking brutal and I've seen you do Muay Thai it's fucking hard man. It's hard It's exhausting and everything else seems easy because when you're on like round five and it's a five -minute round and you're three and a half minutes in And he's trying to get you to do a switch kick over and over and over again You're fucking heart is beating out of your chest You got to finish the round strong and when you're done when that bell goes off I'll be like, oh my God.

2:57:08Like that feeling you don't get, you don't get that in the day. And you feel so much better. And then after it's over, what's the feeling of being exhausted, pushing yourself. That struggle is so much more intense than anything you experience other than a life or death confrontation in your day. Yeah, just even conquering, going there. Like there's so many days I'm driving and I go, why the fuck am I doing this? I was gonna start by just getting that crap but she knows again, go back to my old list. It's fun being fat. It was easy. This is not, I don't wanna go get the shit beat out of me and work my ass off for an hour, but every time you leave, even no matter what, I'm like, oh thank God, I did that.

2:57:45Every time I get out of that stupid ice bath, I feel like that. Every time I go in, I don't wanna do it. I know I'm gonna go in it, because there's two people in my head. There's the general, and there's the pussy. And the pussy is like, don't do it. Don't make me do that for three minutes. Don't make me get in there. And the general's like, shut the fuck up bitch. You know you're gonna do it. So stop with all these thoughts. Just put put the lid up That one's one I still to this day. I do it. I Hate it every time. I still have not if there's never a day where I'm like this is gonna be easy That's a good thing though.

2:58:19That's your win. That's your win of the day that you did that You need those little wins just to be talking about with those epic you need to get one on the board Yeah, you know and getting one on the board anyway You can completing workout right it down complete it. You got one on the board. You got a win for the day That's real. It seems like it's not, but it's real. That's why the belt system works in martial arts, right? You get a blue belt. You're like, oh, I got a blue belt. Oh, he said I'm not a white belt anymore. I don't get a purple belt. And it incentivizes you. You and beings are subject to that.

2:58:45It's a nail in it. This is my point with the AI. I want to gamify it and I want healthcare to be fun. Yes. I want people to know that they're challenging their friends. We're rising together. Joe, you're a pussy. You only worked out 30 minutes today. Your dexas at this, my overall mortality risk is improving your zizan. Like, how do we make it fun? And you can choose what to share. Kind of like what Woop does. Well, what you do with Tim Kennedy. And what is that? I watch his my zone and I watch what Tim does every day. And I'm like, if I can just get close to what Tim did, I will feel great about myself.

2:59:19So I try to beat his workouts or Juan from Onigem has his on there too. and I'll just try and beat those guys workouts on those days. It's funny because people say that that's an addictive thing, which is really interesting. Because one of the things that people talk about with addictions that people are struggling with today, one of them is fitness apps. Yeah. Like, Jesus isn't that like the greatest addiction of all time? Like, yeah, you can go off the rails, you can get a little crazy, but isn't it the greatest addiction of all time? Well, how many I think in with addicts, they have them, one is finding religion in a higher calling and giving up to a higher power.

2:59:53But the other thing I've seen is Candidly a lot of times they trade addiction. Yeah, they get really big into CrossFit or Yeah, or Healthy right addiction Exactly. It is it's a it's a better Alternative than drowning your sorrows in a bottle Well, it's also the same pathways of the mind that lead you to negative addictions leads you to positive addictions It's just about it's about channeling that kind of energy into something positive. Yeah, I am a hundred percent in addict But I figured out a way to be addicted to all things that are really good that I love. Yeah. That's the way to try to live your life.

3:00:28It's just try to funnel that. Whatever that focus is that leads you to want to shoot heroin. And this is also works the other way too. And there was a guy that I know that was a world championship caliber pool player and wouldn't drink, wouldn't smoke, just drink water, super clean and healthy. And he was one of the top pool players in the world. and he was winning tournaments and gambling and winning a lot of money and he was like rock solid. This guy was, he would hold down the cash. Like if you bet on that guy, you had a really good chance of he would win by, he would not choke ever. Yeah. He got into car accident and he heard his back.

3:01:06And the same thing that got that guy addicted to pool, got him addicted to pills. He couldn't stop taking pills, man. That weird pathway. And my friend Tommy put it this way. He's like the same thing that God I'm addicted to and he called it the same thing The God I'm addicted to pool God I'm addicted to bills. It's like this obsession So he found this thing that gave him relief from the pain and then he became obsessed with getting more of them and Then one day died, you know, he died young Yeah, and this was a guy you would never have predicted that and that's what so insidious about what the Sackler family did That's what so insidious about the opioid crisis as you can get good people and everybody wants to say that wouldn't happen to me I'm mentally strong.

3:01:46That's nonsense. I'm telling you this guy was as mentally strong as you get Some people just get got it get some especially if you're in pain Especially if you're one of those people that doesn't tolerate pain very well Some people just I don't know if they feel it different. I think they feel it different I think that's the only thing I think just like hot sauce tastes different to some folks I think some people feel pain different and You know what I wonder is I thought this is my mom got an injection in her knee and she didn't even flinch. They stuck this giant ass needle in my mom's knee and plunged it in there and she didn't even flinch.

3:02:20And the doctors were like, that's crazy. This fucking seven year old lady didn't flinch. And I was like, that's where I get it. It has to be. It has to be from, I think it's a genetic thing. I used to think that it was from being right all the time in martial arts. When I owned a toxicology, I was in the toxicology lab in the non abusive stuff after my brother passed from opioids and I was trying to educate clinicians on that. One of the things I did was hire an expert, Dr. Bill Massey, and he came in and he said on Obama's opioid abuse campaign committee and was helping guide me on what makes sense and how do we do this.

3:02:53But one of the things he shared with me that was wild was this study that he did for Obama with recess monkeys, where they gave one set of recess monkeys basically a cage with metal and no warmth, no interaction with other monkeys. They got water and food, but at erratic times, there was no consistency in that monkey's life. Then they took another sub -settarist's monkeys where they gave them warmth shelter, let them stay with their family for the right amount of time to reach maturity. And what they found is when they introduced drug, heroin and cocaine to these monkeys, disproportionately the monkeys that were deprived died, and indeed, whereas the monkeys that had that love of an affection and warmth and comfort and essential needs met, died at a much lower rate.

3:03:41Most of them actually survived. And he was breaking down that, if you grow up in an environment with minimal dopamine response, when you light up that dopamine, maybe it's a boxing match, right? You're a kid who's been poor and you get in that boxing match, you knock a guy out. You're a hook. You're a hook. Yeah. Like this is it. This is the best I've felt. Everyone's cheering me on. Yeah. For some people, unfortunately, what they find first is a drug or an alcohol or a substance. But that same person could be the future Albert Einstein, the future Muhammad Ali, the future, whatever it may be, insert here, they have that ability.

3:04:20It's just, can we give them a shot? Can we buy them the time and get them out of this? Because I've seen a lot of people beat drug addiction, but I've unfortunately lost a lot of people to it too. They did it with rats too. They did a very similar thing. They did a rat park And so they had the rats in the cage and the rats I think was heroin that they used See if you find what the rat park with the rat park study was very similar type study And they did another study where they had this enormous cage or the rats could run around their toys things for them to do and they didn't just do drugs until they died They just went and had a party and lived like normal rats.

3:04:54Yeah, which is like just like all mammals all humans We have these reward systems that are built into us. Heroin or cocaine lace, here it is. Alexander's experience in the 70s have come to be called Rat Park. Researchers had already approved that when rats replaced in the cage all alone, with no other community of rats, and offered two water bottles, one filled with water, the other filled with heroin or cocaine, the rats would repetitively drink from the drug lace bottles until they overdosed and died. Like pigeons pressing a pleasure lever, they were relentless until their bodies and brains were overcome and they died.

3:05:28But Alexander wondered, is it about the drug or might be related to the setting that they were in? To test his hypothesis, he put in rat parks. Whoops. Fucking pop -ups. He put in rat parks where they were among others and free to roam and play, socialize and to have sex. And they were given the same access to two types of drug lace bottles. When inhabiting a rat park, they remarkably preferred the plain water. Even when they did imbibe from the drug -filled bottle, They did so intermittently, not obsessively, and never overdosed. A social community beat the power of drugs. And you got to wonder if that would be the case with human beings.

3:06:05You know, if everyone meets not possible right now in the world that we live in, but if everyone had a productive, happy, healthy life and was raised in a positive environment, how much less drug abuse and drug addiction would we have? It's a good question, because if it really is this horrible, childhood that is causing a lot of people to seek these things out. But that's not my friend. My friend who got addicted, he wasn't from abuse like that. It's like I'm a normal family. Everything is fine. It was him dealing with pain and back pain is some of the worst pain. It's fucking debilitating. I mean, I've known multiple friends who've had back surgeries.

3:06:49When they're in pain, it's just like, it takes over everything. like I've had knee surgery and you can kind of deal with knee pain. It's like, yeah, it sucks, but it's gonna get better. It'll be okay, but it's not your whole system. It's just your knee. The back feels like your whole being is hurt. Yeah. It's a particular type of pain that people want relief from. My buddy's dad was in the, has been in the hospital. He's in his eighties now, and he used to go on the Elkons with us and everything. He was a coach. They had him loaded up on pain meds, and everything was starting to fail. He had been in the hospital for months.

3:07:24They were about to move him to hospice. And my buddy said, we're done. I don't want any more pain meds. And he talked to his dad and he said, Dad, can you survive without the pain meds? And he didn't think he could. And he battled like feeling terrible, everything. Long story short, he went from, they were gonna put him in hospice because his kidneys and organs and all this were failing to, he drove a car last week, right? He's out of the hospital. He's in his 80s. He's driving his truck again. I don't know if I want to be on the road with that guy. It's all those pain meds were poisoning. His brain, his body, his organs were shutting down because they were just pushing more and more and more.

3:08:02And I don't want to be too sinister, but there's a lot of money in keeping somebody in a hospital and billing that insurance company during those time frames and then moving them over. You know, I stood in surgeries where I watched them do neurosurgery so people they knew were gonna die, but they could bill them $800 ,000 and collect the insurance payment, so the hospital's gonna do the surgery. Oh, God, that's such a horrible thing to hear. Do a surgery on someone who, you know, is gonna die just to make the money off of it. It's just because our incentive systems are flawed, like what you were talking about earlier.

3:08:36If dopamine wins, like reward systems, if we build a reward system based off money in numbers and finances, we shouldn't be shocked when we have killer earnings and really bad health outcomes. It's the same with everything in the human race. Whenever it's incentivized by money, people don't go to its best for people. They go to what's going to make them the most money. And that's the weird world that we find ourselves in with people defending that because their ideology opposes the opposite. It's nuts. It's a weird weird fucking time, but listen brother. I'm glad I met you. I'm glad you're out there I'm glad you can speak about these things the way you can with so much information You're so knowledgeable about it and you could pull it up at any moment and it's It's a daunting task that you have but I think your message has changed a lot of people's lives I really do I think there's a lot of people that recognize that Between you and all these other people in the space Peter T.

3:09:40Andrew Huberman and all these people, Dr. Rhonda Patrick, all these people talking about health and what you can do to improve and studies and all these things you can do to change the path that you're on. I think it's it's effective countless lives Really, thank you for giving me a voice and thank you for having me on here and also thank you to the US Senate for The Embrave enough to let us sit there and and hammer the US government and critique them for their choices and Powered them for at least having the honesty and integrity to let us have an open forum. Yes So yeah, let's hope they keep doing it and just make America healthy again ideas one of the most promising political ideas I've heard in a long time because it's long it's long overdue like it was there was a long time where they were denying The cigarettes cross cancer they denied it as long as they could and then eventually they couldn't deny it anymore And I would hope that we would learn our lesson from all these other things they did.

3:10:37All these other things that they used to push and now they realize they're dangerous and they really regret that they did it and people went along with it. Times come. Times come to change the way we approach food and health. I agree. Thank you. Thank you, brother. Thank you, brother. My pleasure. Bye, everybody.

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