#2209 - Paul Rosolie

47:18This I hated this story There was a beautiful tree between these two hills I think it was in the UK or Ireland I think it was the UK And like a 16 year old went out with the chainsaw And just cut this tree down It was this iconic tree And no one could figure it out for like two days And he just went and cut it down It's just like, man, just... Yeah people are gross People are gross and we all... People are also very short -sighted And sometimes don't even understand the consequences of what they're doing They just do things You know? I normally I would agree with you I just think I think the world that I've been living in the past year So I've been in rooms and out in the wild With so many incredible people And I think that more than ever People...

48:00I agree We're moments away from disaster and any given capacity But there's also... We're also alive at a time in history where people are more considerate than they've ever been Yeah, I think so too Right Yeah, I think there's just... You're gonna get everything Right? You're gonna get people that are willing to launch missiles Israel, you're gonna get people that are willing to chop down ancient Mahogany trees And they get people like you that dedicate your life to saving the rainforest It's one of the cool things about people Because it makes people like you so much more exceptional It makes people so much more interesting Because it's rare And then someone dedicating their entire life to doing what you've done is even more rare And that's part of the cool thing about people I think...

48:41And it's a horrible thing to say but I think it's unfortunately true You need evil to appreciate good You need hate to appreciate love It's just a part of the way the human mind and our... Just overall psychology And there's the way we operate in the world It's unfortunate but it's a part of being a person And I think hate and anger and destruction actually motivates love And construction and progress And doing things... And recognizing what can happen if you do things the wrong way Let's do things the right way Organic farming, like people changing their farms to regenerative agricultural farms Is coming out of people who are looking at these industrial monocrop agriculture farms And the waste that it produces which is legal The waste that it produces in river systems It's fucking insane There's a guy that we've had on his name is Will Harris And Will is from this farm in Georgia called White Oaks Pastors It's a regenerative farm He got this farm, it's a family -owned farm They've had it forever And it took him years to change this farm from an industrial farm to regenerative agriculture But there's a section of the river near his property Where his property line meets his neighbor So his neighbor has an industrial farm and he has regenerative agriculture And you can see it in the river there's a clear line of differentiation Look at that I'm guessing his is the clear one?

50:17Yes All that stuff So most of these farmlands, the top soil is gone There's no minerals, there's no nutrients, there's no nothing And so you have to use industrial strength fertilizers You have to use all this garbage and bullshit And so that stuff, it just sits on the top And so when the rain comes and when they spray the crops and water the crops The runoff goes right in the river So these poor fish are just getting fucking choked to death on all this shit And then there's the pesticides and the herbicides and whatever the fuck they're spraying And this guy is trying to turn it around He's trying to do the right thing That's not will Okay I don't know who that gentleman is, I think he works at will But he's explaining how bad the situation is that comes off of these other farms So the left is what the creek is supposed to look like The right is what happens and no consequences You should be in trouble for this, right?

51:21If you like, hey you can't run your farm this way Like is this what happens when you run your farm this way? Stop the farm Okay, we got to figure out how to do this the right way Is there a way for your water to look like the water is six inches away? Is there a way? Well that's the only way you can make farming So in Russia, organic, they don't even allow genetically modified crops anymore Really? No, no, Putin is like, this is bullshit Like this should be illegal When you're a dictator, you can do stuff like that But that's a fundamental thing, you know, if you go to a building with a sledgehammer Or to the Great Wall of China and you start messing with it, you're going to get in trouble Yes And it seems like you can cut down forest, pollute the rivers, dump shit in the ocean And for the most part, it's okay Yeah No one's really going to come after you We can do a lot less of that too if we, here's another issue, commoditizing hemp A lot of the stuff that we cut trees down for is paper Paper, let's Google in America how many acres of trees are cut down every year from paper So the demonization of the recreational drug cannabis came entirely from hemp It was not about the drug being bad No, people had consumed that drug for thousands of years It's one of the safest drugs in terms of like risk profile The LD50 of marijuana is nuts What's the LD50?

52:54LD50 is lethal dose at 50 % Is that so - Is lethal dose yourself with marijuana? I used to have a drug about it The only way to die from marijuana is if they drop a bundle of it from a CIA drug player And it hits you in the head You can do stupid things that could wind up getting killed You can abuse everything, right? You certainly abuse marijuana And by the way, I want to say marijuana is not totally safe Everybody thinks it's totally safe No, it's not There's certain people that have a tendency towards schizophrenia And high dose marijuana has been proven to cause schizophrenia breaks in people Alex Baronson wrote a book about it It's called Tell Your Children And I agree with them I've met people that have had schizophrenia breaks from marijuana 40 % of the world's industrial logging goes into making paper This is expected to reach 50 % in the near future US uses approximately 68 million trees each year To produce paper and paper products Worldwide consumption of paper is risen by 400 % in the last 40 years With 35 % of the harvested trees being used for paper manufacture That's crazy Crazy And you're saying hemp could grow faster Not like bamboo, it could grow faster That's actually renewable Like that term that people like to throw around Renewable That's actually renewable It grows like a weed because it kind of is a weed My friend Todd used to have a stock of a mature hemp plant on his desk And it's about this thick around Like if that was a piece of oak, it would be really heavy But it's hard like this table which is oak But it's light, like styrofoam It's light like balsa wood But it's hard So it has incredible power like in its fibers Its fibers are extremely unusual So they make the most durable clothing like canvas The word canvas comes from cannabis But is this weed itself like if you have like a weed plant No, well you can, it's the same thing But you can also grow strains of it that are not psychoactive at all It's just a similar same family So they weren't growing it as a commodity for drug consumption They were growing it to make paper See, this is what happened I'm taking you down the dark conspiracy of marijuana road What happened is in the 1930s they invented a machine called the decorticator And what the decorticator did was it allowed you to effectively process hemp fiber easily and quickly So when Eli Whitney came out with the cotton gin Now all of a sudden cotton became a very easy cloth to use And people start wearing cotton ubiquitously Well what they used to use was hemp Because hemp is way more durable I mean crazy difference Like I have a hemp jiu jitsu ghee made by Datsusara And you can't rip this motherfucker Like you grab it and I've had one of my geese is like eight years old But if I have a cotton ghee eight years in that shit's torn apart So the only thing that goes on those things are the threads And you know I don't even I guess you can make hemp threads I don't even know if they do But the point is it's like far more durable as a paper It's a far superior paper Far superior like it's much tougher It's tough to like I've had hemp paper demonstrated to me like It's hard to rip man Crazy it's weird It's a fucking alien plant It really is And when they invented this decordicator Well a William Randolph Hearst who also owned Hearst publications Who also own paper mills And scientific America had on the cover of their magazine Hemp the new billion dollar crop And it's a show a decordicator to him It was all when they invented this thing So the propaganda to stop the industry of hemp from exploding Do pond came out with the chemical composition for nylon The result like you're gonna use nylon for ropes Hemp is what they always use for ropes Hemp's what they use for sales So that's a decordicator That looks like a modern one It doesn't look too complicated either Well it's basically like a wheel with some teeth to it And it grinds a shit out of the hemp And what they used to use back in the day was slave labor So slave labor and you know poor people Would have to do all this incredibly back breaking work to break down the fibers Because they're so tough and durable Well then they invented this machine And once this machine got rolling they're like oh shit Let's start using hemp because it's way better So all this forest cutting down shit It doesn't need to be done Completely unnecessary And it's because a paper guy won it 100 % And a paper guy in the 1930s And so he got together with Harry Anslinger And they utilized all these people that they were using to make alcohol illegal The probe Excuse me The prohibitionists during the time where they were going after whiskey manufacturers and gin makers And these moonshine people Which is where NASCAR came from by the way NASCAR came out of moonshineers Driving quick Yeah, they needed a souped up car So they took those people who were just arresting people all over the country for alcohol And then they sicked them on them on marijuana And marijuana was never the term for cannabis Yeah Marijuana was a slang term for a wild Mexican tobacco A totally different plant So William Randolph Hurst starts printing articles in his paper about Mexicans and black guys who were smoking this new drug marijuana and raping white women And then they fund reefer madness And they fund these movies And that's where that comes from All that marijuana cigarettes And all comes from hemp It all comes from the commodity From them having this interest in paper Research suggests that hemp is twice as effective as trees at absorbing and locking up carbon So hemp is one of the fastest growing plants in the world can grow four meters high in a hundred days So in a hundred days Or a hundred meters high in a hundred days Yeah, in a hundred days you have a new crop Yeah It's the best fucking thing we can grow for paper Which is 40 % of all the trees were chopping down And it takes forever ever been the old growth forests in like the Pacific Northwest where they do logging Well, you've been to the Amazon You've seen though the worst slash and burn are But the point is if you go to these cut places These places where they cut the trees they grow new trees They plant new trees there But it takes forever It takes a hundred years of years How old is the redwood?

59:37Hundreds of years, thousands of years I see those pictures that I can't remember the dude's name He takes a picture with the trees before The loggers come through and I mean trees you know Double the size of the trees And then he has this picture with the tree after And it's a fucking hard thing It's a horrible thing man It's horrible that we can just walk up to something that's a thousand years old And make a fucking basket out of it Like this is unnecessary It's totally unnecessary Yep And it could well it can all be mitigated This can all be mitigated all of it can You know the real problem is hardwoods You know hardwoods are very very valuable and people like them And you know and they're protected in some places and not others Like in California if you have oak trees You can't chop them down unless you get a permanent We had a tree that was about to fall in our house It's like it's like it's on the way go And you know California the earth tends to shake a little bit Things go sideways and your fucking house gets crushed by a tree But you know you have to there's we have to figure out How our desire for hardwood Like the source of that hardwood If you're a desire for a beautiful you know Mahogany table they're beautiful Gorge look at your desk amazing But if you got could go to the Amazon and see That someone chopped down a tree that you were describing that massive tree That people had probably hadn't seen a hundred years or whatever Maybe ever who knows Some of these trees are 1 ,200 years old Maybe there's no one else dumb enough to walk through that place with no water We might have been the first people to ever see that tree That was in Scotland they were claiming this I don't know if this is true But because there's a lot of really old shit in Scott They have these stones really Yeah we were in Scotland there's these guide stones on the ground And I go what's that from they go we don't know I go how old is it they're like it's about 5 ,000 years old There's like what you just walk up to 5 ,000 year old stone There's a stone circle out there There's a stone circle like that someone is constructed similar to stonehenge But a much much smaller scale And it's older than stonehenge and it's just on the street And for this dude's house So this guy said you want to get heritage No, no it has a little plaque that's like that big So we got out of the car and we walk over to you walk on it You can stand on it I'm like this is so weird like how old is this they're like We're not exactly sure but it's thousands and thousands of years old Like the druids made these things They don't know they don't know who did it they don't know why This guide stone is just on the ground next to this pathway And I was like what is this?

1:02:13Like that's a you know 5 ,000 year old guide stone Like what is what? Who made what that there? Why isn't it a museum built around this fucking thing? That's crazy that it's just laying on the ground No I mean it's what this is a meteorite Yes that is a meteorite So weren't they saying that So they were telling me that the oldest tree in the world is in Scotland I was like that I don't know how that's true I thought the oldest tree was has to be in Africa Wouldn't it be? I thought it was in the Middle East somewhere it was like one of those It's like you know like 6 feet tall and like super hardy Right, I fucked up They're like predates Jesus Like you know it's like ancient ancient tree Yeah, yeah Like what's the oldest tree in the world?

1:02:51This is just I didn't want to tell the guy I get the fuck out of here This is the oldest tree He was giving me a tour A tour of the land Everyone's always trees in the year These are a coos These are a coos there Coos, cause coos coos I go what are you saying man? Scotland's oldest tree So it's 3 ,000 and 9 ,000 years old Oh, between 3 and 9 That's a big swing Yeah they don't know They're just getting, I mean that's the thing about that area There's a lot of just guessing So see if you can show me a photo of the oldest tree Yeah, they're gnarly looking like you're saying It's not like a massive tree No You know when you walk by it You would think oh it's just a tree You would never think that things 9 ,000 years old But I'm curious what the oldest tree period is I think that's the one That's the one that we're saying is the oldest tree Well this is just what these guys telling me What is that one?

1:03:44The oldest tree in the world What's that one? That one looks like this In the Middle East I don't think so No, couldn't be right I don't know, bristle cone Where's that one? Time Great patient, 100 years Where's bristle cone? So the oldest tree in the world is in California? No, this is somebody at Lanna Oh no, no, no, it says Yeah, I don't think they're saying The trees at Lanna is the website That's kinda weird Is that maybe just like trees around the world That they're studying in Atlanta? From rabbit hole is all me The oldest tree in the world It looks like shit Looks like you would expect the oldest tree You wouldn't expect the oldest tree to look like those great red woods California Doesn't have a single fucking leaf So how old is that one?

1:04:30How old is the oldest tree in the world? 4855 years old Muthuzala They have a name for it So some cock sucker You know there's some dude that's thinking about turning that into a desk You know there's some fucking tech shithead US Forest Service doesn't tell visitors precisely where Muthuzala stands Nor does the organization release photographs of the ancient tree Someone's gonna... Yeah, someone's gonna fuck it up Can you look up what the... What the... how old the general Sherman is? I'm curious about the Sequoias But this is interesting, Jamie Because this is... I guess that other websites incorrect Because the other website was saying it might be 9 ,000 years old This is the same tree right here I think The U from Northern Wales wouldn't that be?

1:05:13Yeah, but that's not Scotland Different country, but I'm sure they have some old shit too Prometheus I think that's the thing about a lot of these old old trees is it's kind of guesswork Yeah I don't think they really know And I think it probably behooves them, behooves them To exaggerate a little... Behooves You know because it's kind of a good bragging point Say we got to do a little just to eat the world You got to draw for your... for your town, whatever Sorta There's no one out there It was really cool Like six people Just no one in Scotland bro Just fucking Scotland is like the whole country is like the size of Austin It's just something about the oldest population In terms of population No one living single stem tree on this Yeah Single stem tree Oh, not all complicated like the ones we just saw This is like a pole A lot of the rainforest trees are like this, which is a pillar General Sherman So is that a Sequoia?

1:06:02Yeah Yeah man, have you gone up to Northern California? Did that rainforest? I haven't been up to the Northern Cali But where the general Sherman is It looks, you know, you know, like if you play like Super Mario 64 Like when you get like, you go into like giant land There was a Sequoia tree that had fallen over I mean the thing was, you know, 36 feet thick I don't know, but I couldn't climb on top of the tree And it fell over and it went from here for like a city block Yeah Then one that has a tunnel carved out Yeah Where you can drive your car through it They're so cool And people want to cut them down Yeah There's people frothing to cut those things Oh yeah, people are gross Especially some fucking psychopath who's on Adderall Sherman tree contains more wood volume in its trunk than any other tree on earth And you know, that's not the biggest one So that seems like to make sense to me Like that's the oldest tree You know, when I see that little ratty little fucking bush in the desert Like that's not the old, you lie bitch Yeah I see, I thought it would be somewhere on the side of a mountain Where it's like high wind and they're growing slow over a thousand years So no humans would have been up there Every year it's just adding a millimeter to its, you know Well, we know so much about the world in comparison to what they knew 500 years ago But yet we still know so little They still, like 2010, they found a new human species They're the Denisovans They didn't even know that Denisovans were a thing until 2010 And now they think that the Denisovans, like a lot of the aborigini people in Australia Have Denisovans in them And maybe possibly even Neanderthal in them They only described the fact that there was two species and not one species of fucking elephant in Africa in the 90s Well, wasn't a gorilla, like a myth, until they went...

1:07:47I think gorillas were like mythical creatures until like the 1800s Like when did they discover gorillas? I mean, I think the first European to see a gorilla, probably, that's an African saw gorilla But they couldn't get the word out But like the first explorer with his, you know, his chainmail to show up and look at a gorilla It wasn't until early 19th century that people native from the areas where they live Such as the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Gabon, new gorillas better But among people outside of Africa, they were mostly mythological creatures There's human -like big 400 -pound monsters and like insane Yeah, well there's...

1:08:28There's this is a really controversial one, it's the Bondo ape And that's a particular area of the Congo called Billy And Billy has this unusual strain of chimpanzees that have a crest on their head like a gorilla So like this is a normal chimpanzee skull Okay See how it's smooth on the top? Gorillas have this big crest because their mandible muscles are so massive I'm talking about this, yeah Because they mostly just, they only eat plants So they're mostly eating fiber, so they're just crushing roots and... So that's all they long said? That's a grab onto that Massive muscles Well these chimpanzees, they thought initially they perhaps were a hybrid between chimpanzees and gorillas Because they're much bigger, they're like six feet tall hybrid between chimpanzees And they're enormous It's a really controversial thing like some people think that it's just an unusual group of chimpanzees Like there's this area in Africa There's a documentary on it called Relentless Enemies It's an amazing documentary about this river changed course over the years And these lions got stuck on this island with nothing but water buffalo So all the lions look like you well were marrow They all just look fucking rock -lessed their lions It's super, female lions as big as male lions in other parts of Africa Super jack female lions just fucking up these water buffaloes They do all the heavy lifting Yeah because they have to adapt to their environment So there was some thought that maybe this was a particular strain of chimpanzee that had adapted and was just unusually large But they're fucking huge man There's a guy named Carl Armon He's a Swiss wildlife photographer And he dedicated his life to exploring these animals and documenting them And he got photographs of them on a camera trap walking on two legs But you guys see what they look like?

1:10:14Oh yeah, they look nutty They look nutty They're hunched over a little bit but they look so much bigger than a regular chimpanzee So this is a real thing, this isn't like cryptos and dogs Oh no, no, no, no, they have tissue samples, they have bones So we have everything they have Yep, plenty of videos of these things It's an actual animal The question is, is this a subspecies? Is it a completely different species? You know they have but no bows to tissue? Well, it's a novel tissue though Right, so it's a new thing So if it is, they're trying to figure out exactly what happened And how many of them there are And it seems to be in this incredibly dense war -torn area of the Congo where these things live But we know there's bonobos, right?

1:10:59Which kind of look like chimpanzees but they're really different They're not violent at all, they just fuck Yeah, peace of mind They just, they have arguments and they fuck each other And that's how they get over everything They use hemp Yeah, they're probably do, they're probably stoner monkeys I wonder what's in their diet But these monkeys are, these chimpanzees are very different than the other chimpanzees Like from chimped nation where they're super violent And they kill monkeys all day And they, you know, they fight over fruit Chimped nation is the... Netflix, Netflix document, fucking amazing That's the one where the scientists were embedded with these chimpanzees for 20 years So the chimpanzees behave completely normal When you say embedded, like what good all did, like sitting there, like right there They lived with them So they set up camp in these forests and they had very clear rules Number one, stay 20 yards away, always Not much Not much, pretty close But when it gets close to 20 yards, get out of there No food, don't bring any food, don't look in the eyes No fucking around And so the chimpanzees, they're whole life Chimpanzees lives, you know, in the wild, probably 15, 20 years or whatever Their whole life, they've been around these people So they act completely normal Those people are just like another tree Just another thing that's not of consequence It doesn't steal resources from them, it doesn't try to intimidate them It doesn't, in fringe in their territory, never gets closer than 20 yards No worries So because of that, they've got this insane footage It's one of the most incredible documentary series of all time And they study the social behavior between the chimpanzees And I had the guy on who directed it It was really fascinating I'm like, how often do they eat monkeys?

1:12:32Like, dude, we couldn't even show them all They just eat monkeys all day They're their favorite thing to do And they just rip them apart Yeah And they didn't even know that until the 90s When David Attenborough went to the jungle to film chimpanzees They caught them hunting monkeys and eating them alive It's terrifying It's crazy There's a monkey, and this chim has it like his hand is around its waist And it's just eating it from the hips down like this And the monkey's going, Jesus It's just got this little monkey face that looks so much like ours It's so close to us And this chim's just chewing chons And so they have 20 years Pulling a leg off and handed it to this other chimpanzee He's chewing it Oh yeah, they share Well, that's a big part of this docu -series Interesting Is how they set up the social structures Their social structures are so similar to ours We think that the biggest chimpanzees like the alpha male It's not Some of them, it's not It's a smart one who has made comrades And made a community and is very fair Chimpanzees have a very strong sense of fairness And being slided Like if one of the elders doesn't get a piece of the monkey They get fucking furious like what have you done?

1:13:46Like you have to make right Like you have to like sew people's or monkeys, chimpanzees, anger Being slided Dude Yeah, well I, when I was a, I, I was remember this as a kid I was watching a nature show and they had a, I had it called The third beetle principle There was the two male beetles were battling And the females watching And while the two male beetles were battling The third beetle comes and fucks the female That's what happens with elk all the time And it was just like, you know, be a third beetle Yeah, yeah They studied white tail deer as well, same thing happens The big guys are fighting And when the big guys are fighting The little sneaky ones like, hey Have a baby Yeah, ladies like that A lot of that going on See, do you have any, see if you can find a photograph of that Bondo ape Yes please I need to see this The car is controversial though He has Because like, people don't want to believe it's real So that's one, yeah, that one's a dead one, they shot it in an airport Look at the size of it compared to those guys It's so much bigger than that Just trying to get on a plane This is, you ever see that movie that Congo, it's a stupid movie Like, I read the book It was a cool book Like the gorillas, but those, but those chimpanzees, the crazy chimpanzees, were based on these Bondo apes Yeah That's the idea So look at that picture up on the top right With the black and white one Yeah, well see if the, find the camera trap photos Scroll down a little bit, it'll probably be one of the first photos that you see There's a camera trap photograph No, that's a different one That's one that lived in America If I loved that in the forest, I would kill myself There's one, they called them humanzi And they thought at one point in time that maybe somebody had fucked a chimpanzee These are all good That's it, that's it What it says, World of Karl Amman on the top shelf Yeah, right there That's the camera trap photo That's not the best version of it I've seen more clear version, but he's walking around And they're enormous These guys said they had a land rover And they had a defender And they stopped, or whatever the truck was They stopped the truck and the road is one walk by and it was taller than the truck What?

1:15:52What the huge They're enormous Like I said, they're like six foot tall chimpanzees And just imagine how strong a regular chimpanzee is So that's definitely that one up there Click on that Click on the gallery So Karl Amman is this guy who was this wildlife photographer When they became aware of this subspecies See the photographs of the skull? Yeah, see that ridge Right, so the one behind it is a regular chimpanzee skull And then the much larger one is the Bondo ape skull They also nest on the ground like gorillas They're like nobody's fucking with me They're fucking huge, man And there's not a large population of them And they're not, it's not very well studied Because it's so remote And it's very fucking dangerous to get there But you see those bones on the ground?

1:16:44Show that image again? Look at the size difference between the regular chimpanzee skull In the background and then the Bondo ape in the foreground And look at the crest on the head And that's the locals have two names for chimpanzees They call them tree beaders and lion killers Lion killers? And the lion killers, first of all there's no lions in the jungle Right, the lion's not king at the jungle Well there's no lions, the lions live in the savannah Right, so Karl Amman's lion killers is probably just a fun name But they did video one that was eating a jaguar Or a leopard wrap A leopard, but they don't know if it found the leopard dead and ate it They don't know what the fuck happened Did it really did the real jaguar?

1:17:26They could attack jaguar? Maybe it was a small leopard Well you gotta think if it's really six feet tall So a regular chimpanzee gets to be like a full grown male There's probably like 180 pounds Like a big giant jag chimpanzee 180? 180 pounds and the strength of a 500 pound man Like so you weigh probably close to it, right? You probably want 180? Yeah So your weight, but the strength of a 500 pound man Now imagine, now imagine one that's not five feet tall But six feet tall and is not 200 pounds But 300 pounds or 350 What? Get that guy in the octagon Get the fuck that A regular chimpanzee would fuck a human up But that photograph of those two men that's sitting there with one that they shot Yeah That's one that they think is confirmed to be one of these Bondo apes And it's so much bigger than them But you have to think like, okay these guys Like the first of all they're in the background Just like when you catch a fish you hold the fish out in front of you It's a perspective thing The synanaconda Exactly But the guy does have his hand on his shoulder And just, I mean there's some things you can't fake Like the size of his nuts I'm gonna say the size of his nuts is the size that guys face And look at the size of his hand His hand's massive There's a massive chimpanzee Grab onto some serious branches of that Google Humanzy Because humanity was a weird one These people had this chimpanzee And they dressed it up like a person And it had weird facial features Where it looked like so similar to a person Yes It looks weird There's better images of it And there's video of this But I think Along the way That one right there to the left of that You're right there where you're at it's good too So look at his face And I don't like that Strange, right?

1:19:16Strange features And so you'll see he could work at a bank Very weird So it led people to think that his name was Oliver It led people to think that Oliver was some sort of a hybrid But it doesn't seem like he is It just seems like he was just a weird chimpanzee But look they put him in a fucking suit and tie him shit And they're fine But he came sexually attracted to his care And preferred humans over chimps The problem with those things is they're horny Just like, you know, and he doesn't even know there's other chimps Because he doesn't get to see him He looks close enough He's like, I'll fuck you lady And like, she's taking care of him And was like, take care of this He's a horny chimpanzee I've heard that a orangutan is do that too I'm sure they're primates Well this is a, you know, that's that chimped nation show That's on, have you seen that on Netflix?

1:20:03I haven't seen, I've been obsessed with the hundred foot wave I'm not, I'm not chimped nation Chimp crazy Chimp crazy is all about these people that are like the tiger -cain people And so they're having tigers, they have chimps Just crazy people with chimps in their house Yeah, crawls up He's like, what the fuck, chimps? They'll eat you, Carl, you know, goddamn heartbeat What's wrong with them, chimps? This article about Oliver has this photo we've used a lot? I don't know Oh, that's not an object No, that article is just a joke I think they just showed that it's taken Yeah, that's just another chimpanzee, that's not him But he, I'm sure they took him from the Congo I mean, or wherever Apparently, there was, this was also something that we learned from the guys from Chip Crazy that were on We're explaining how this trade works Where they kidnap these babies from their mother And then they start raising them in captivity in America And some places is like Wyoming, it's legal So they'll go to Wyoming Or was it Missouri?

1:21:00Or was it the like, by chimps, Missouri, right? I mean, that, the whole Tiger King thing, that's terrible Fucking nuts, man Those people all are just normal people that have wild animals, ligers Dude, they, I don't know if I should say this, they, way before the Tiger King thing One of the dudes, not the main Tiger King guy, one of the other guys And the, the Myrtle Beach guy invited me to his place And he's like, you guys, is that the guy runs the sex cult? Yeah And he was like, you gotta help me legitimize my shit, I'm a real conservationist And so, me and my friend Mosin, who, you know, we do all the photography, all the Amazon fire stuff together And we were like, you wanna go fuck, fucking hang out with Tigers for a weekend?

1:21:42He was like, yeah, let's go And so they were like, look, we're legit, you got it, you know, you're a real conservationist Come over here, tell the world about us Yeah, so what they do is they have people sitting in a circle And you can go like, with your date and pay for this and they put a Tiger cub in your lap, great Cool But then, what do you do with those 16 Tiger Cubs next year, when they weigh 500 pounds? And that's the answer, they all have an incinerator on site Oh no Yeah, so they're breeding Tigers and incinerating them Also, I was standing there, so many weird things happen that weekend, it was like, it was going into them So when they get to be dangerous, they just shoot them I think Burnham?

1:22:17I don't know, I don't know how they euthanize them, but they have an incinerator on site And they're producing Tigers when you go where do the Tigers go? Oh my god They go, well, you know Oh no And they're going save Tigers, save the world and there's animals everywhere I was doing something and the girl walks by with a Liger Yeah I felt like I was on mushrooms The things fucking head is this big Yeah, it's so big You know when in Sandlot, when they see the beast and it's like an animatronic giant It looked ridiculous This Liger walked by and was as tall as I was and I just went, I don't like it here Well, it's a weird hybrid because I think it's, is it a male tiger and a female lion or a male lion and a female tiger?

1:22:59I think it's a male tiger So, in the problem is, in male lions, the gene that regulates size exists So when a male lion breeds with a female lion, I might be fucking this up But I know that this is the problem with the Liger while they're so big It's because whether it's the male or the female So it's a hybrid of the male lion and a tiger female Okay So in the female lion then Or in the male tiger, one of them, there's this gene that regulates how big you get And it doesn't exist in the Liger They don't look right They just, they get so big They're head How big do they get, Jamie? Over 900 pounds?

1:23:45Duh Jesus Christ Although, I, but I say, a Bury and Tiger I think can also get like 900 pounds Like, like an Emo or a Tiger, like, I think they can get pretty big I think so too I think a Liger is, it's the way of the charts But a Liger is, I think Liger might be bigger than that Yep, that was there Scroll down a little bit, Jamie, just like there's the 900 pounds That's the, that's the cat, that's the dude Yeah So this one says it got to 922 pounds Hercules, the largest non obese Liger So he's not obese, not fatso That's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's some donuts That's some body positive bullshit Yeah I bet he's not, if he's 922 Wow, when he was three years old he weighed 408 pounds Oh my god, my god, 900 pounds, 408 kilograms Oh my god And now it weighs, oh my god, value the King's Animal Sanctuary and Wisconsin had a male Liger named Nook Who weighed over 1 ,213 pounds Oh my god So, lion and tiger in captivity are under 1 ,100 pounds What is, how big does a Siberian tiger get?

1:24:55What's the largest Siberian tiger? See that, I would say 900 pounds, I feel like that upper limit is 900 pounds and I have from nose to tail about 12 feet Those are my guess That's such a big animal, the Siberian 11 feet long Yeah, that book, that book, the tiger is one of the best books It's 10 foot 11 inches long from nose to tail weighed 932 pounds Look at that face Bro, they're so beautiful too That's what's crazy, that it's a cat that lives in the snow Like you think of tigers, you think of India, you think of jungle Yeah, you don't think of a cat that lives in Siberia And it's the biggest one and messes up the bears Oh, good And controls the wolf populations Good luck, good Good, good That paw Oh my god, yeah And just, it's crazy that it's such a gorgeous thing that's killing you Like when you see them, it's probably part of the trick Like you're hypnotized by how beautiful it is Like, what?

1:25:55Look at this thing Would you ever see in life in color they show you the spectrum that deer see in, they don't see orange? Right Because that was my question growing up as a kid I was like, why? If you want to blend in, why the hell would you be orange and white and black? It seems like that's like the most, it's like having a neon sound Because the most dangerous thing in the forest is people Especially people with guns Yeah, no, no, but I'm saying before that is when they... But that's why they did it, they do it so that you don't get shot by hunters That's the whole reason why you have orange on Sure, but I'm saying it stands out, but I'm saying so my question was Why would it tiger?

1:26:28Because deer see orange as a more green The hunters live in the grass and there's a lot of shadows and stripes Yeah, they show you... They can move around They show you deer vision and it's... They literally don't register that color orange So it just looks like more green shit and a tiger vanishes It's such a cool clip, it's on one of those like David Edinburgh I think that's also why zebras have those funky stripes I think it fuses... Yeah, it confuses the stripes I think all those lawns fuck with them Because they're not seeing things like we're seeing this cop, we're seeing your phone, seeing writing I don't think they see like that They reckon...

1:26:59A lot of it is edge detection and motion I was just elk hunting and I got a video on my Instagram So yeah, see how they blend in So they would not see all that stuff They would just see what looks like branches Yeah, like squint and look at that image It's easy to see it for us, it's very difficult to see it for them And if they're in the jungle densely foliated jungle There's all these trees and shit They would just blend right the fuck in And just lay in wait for something that's slower than them But I was thinking when you were saying about the Bundo ape One of the things that we're doing now is we're using starlink to deploy camera traps in areas Because you just take a starlink Right Put it up in the top of a tree I've got my team's defon, he figured this out We take a starlink, you put it up in the top of a tree So it has access Someone's got to climb the tree You put a solar panel You got to have starlink in a solar panel And just like a little box to run everything And then you can deploy remote camera traps around And so we're getting now, we haven't published this yet But we're getting live feed from parts of the Amazon where there's no people And with the starlink, you can send it back to with Wi -Fi So you don't have to get the cards Dude, we get updates on our phones Oh my god, that's incredible So if we did this in Bundo ape territory You probably find them Yeah But you probably get fucked up getting in there And putting that stuff up there That's the problem It's humans Me and Lex could do it Yeah The problem is the humans I mean, it's essentially run by war zone It's a war zone run by warlords And then if you go into the Congo, you have the cobalt mines You have all these things that are run by China There's all the slave labor operations that are going out there And it's just the whole area My friend Justin, he runs this charity fight for the forgotten He goes to the Congo and he builds wells And we've had him on a few times Talk about his experiences over there But getting to these people to try to build wells for them is fucking just fraught with peril You're dealing with just gun fights, break out, people get robbed, people get pulled over And guns held to their head, everything gets stolen from them It's a blood diamond Yes, just lawlessness Run by warlords Different, you know, different towns You go into a run by different people You have to have translators, sometimes translators like this is not good, this is not good You're like, oh fuck And you know, you're just over there trying to help people And you're...

1:29:22So if you're going to study these chimpanzees, like this ain't... You can just walk in The fucking Pacific Northwest just going to the woods and like, oh, there's a deer Now this is... You're dealing with humans Dangerous humans who are desperate and who have lived their whole life in these conditions When you go elk hunting, how long do you spend... How long is an elk hunt for you? I give myself a week, I always have a week, but you know, a lot of guys who have more time, they'll do 10 days It depends on what kind of hunting you're doing I'm doing it in places where there's... It's private access, so it's not...

1:29:58If you have public land, you're going to get a lot of hunters on that land, especially if there's elk And it pushes the elk deeper and deeper into the forest And if you want to really find them, a lot of these guys, they'll put... My friend Aaron Snyder, he'll put a backpack on, he'll go two weeks And they'll go, you know, 26, 30 miles in And that's where the elk are And so, not only that, you have to pack them out So if you kill an elk, 30 miles in And it's 30 miles as the crow flies It's 30 miles of terrain You're going up and down and up and down, thousands of feet of elevation And it takes them days to get the animal out And yeah, I've seen the videos of that guy, you had this guy on, he's awesome Donnie Vincent?

1:30:43Yes I've seen he does a very good job of documenting his outcomes And he's always got the backpack with the antlers on And you have to have a fucking strong backman And tracking poles or a must and you're carrying something on your back that's almost what you weigh You got a person on your back and you're trying to go 30 miles And that's only one trip You're done, you drop it off, you have to get it on ice or do something Depending on what the temperature is outside But you have to preserve the meat, you have to put it somewhere, usually in a cooler, you lock it down Whatever you do, you quarter it out, bone it out, and then you go back So you're going 30 miles for load number two And if you're solo, there's a lot of guys that's solo, elk hunt You might have to go in four times to get all the meat out Because you physically can't carry it all, 30 miles up and down the mountains Without risk of dying No, how much is an elk?

1:31:37I mean, elk is gigantic Hundreds of pounds of meat So I can tell you exactly Because we shot these elk in Utah And then we brought them to this meat processing place That makes you sausages and all kinds of cool shit And they weigh it, so they weigh your meat It was 400 pounds of meat Of harvests in me, that's not what I mean There's bones, there's still bones in the quarters But the bones aren't that much weight Let's just say the bones are 100 pounds I don't think they are, but let's say they are Yeah, I don't think they are Because it's just a couple leg bones, it's quartered So it's basically the femurs A rear -hired quarter and a front quarter Let's say it's 100 pounds 300 pounds of meat, you got to get out on your own Yeah You 300 pounds on your back So you got to do it in 100 pound trips probably If you're smart, but some guys get crazy 100 pound pack is a lot I know it is, I know a guy fucked his back up Because he tried to do 180 pounds, anyone had 25 miles And his back is destroyed His back is so destroyed that one of his arms is atrophying Because his nerves are getting pinched Because his fucking discs are all bulged out And fucked up So you shoot an elk And then you, let's say you're with two guys I don't know, and you take as much as you can and you come out Now in the meantime, that carcass is sitting there You just try and get back as soon as you can Like the meat doesn't go bad, and it's cold out No, it's cold out When I was hunting, it was hailing So it was like, some of the days it was in the 30s Some of the days it was in the 40s But it's playing for now Yeah, it totally can, but we didn't have to wait overnight We packed it out that day I got very lucky that my friends came down and helped me So we were in the bottom of this canyon It's very, very steeped This part that's like extremely difficult to get to Which is why the elk go there So it was like you have to be very physically fit Just to get there Just to get like when I do cardio getting ready for elk hunts I'm literally, I get ready for it like I have to go into a fight You train for it I'm doing sprints on the air -dye machine Just to pump my legs up I'm doing box jumps and box steps with weights I'm doing all these body weight squats It's just to have strong legs Just because you have to deal with this terrain If you want to go with the elk are Because they know where the cats are And they know where they can hide And they know where they can get away from people And that's in the areas that are hard to get to Which is the mountains And the more hard to get to And the elk go up it like it's nothing They're just fucking run right up It's so wild to watch Because you're struggling to go like a mile an hour And these motherfuckers are like running over the top of the hill Like it's nothing But that's why they're there They're there because they know that it's tough to get there And people won't fuck with them there And they rarely get fucked with there So that's how you have to get to So I got lucky that there was five guys in camp with me And everyone took a load And I think camAins has a photo of it on his Instagram Of all of us packing it out It was in one of those multiple photo things So that helped a lot Because it was just me and my friend Colton Who was my guide It would have probably taken us Fucking most of the day Most of the day just to get it to the top of the hill Where you can get a 4x4 to it So you're not worried about you don't have like camping gear also So you're not No, that's good But a lot of guys do And those guys the most effective hunters That go into public land Which is a much tougher thing to do Because I said to be because of pressure And also because if you want to go with the elk There's a lot of people, there's pressure And the elk are going to get the fuck out of dodge And so you have to find out where they are It's a lot more groundwork And you're covering a lot more miles So these guys they put their camp on their back And they do the chopped the toothbrush and half That whole deal Yeah, very very out They know where the water is And they use things like Onyx maps So they chart their pet That's all of us Nice So we're packing out That's all the elk quarters On different people's backs And that head up there that's me carrying the head out With antlers Nice You know and it's Like I said, we were lucky that we had friends there to help us But if you do that by yourself If you're out there by yourself and you're 30 miles in You got to be so strong Who could be so strong?

1:35:58Who shot was that? I think it was Adam, my friend Adam Greentree He's an awesome photographer That's an incredible one Who's with us hunting too But that's the kind of hunting that I do is the easiest kind of hunting As far as that goes As far as bow hunting in the wilderness goes, yeah In that You could do it with a gun There's no hundred times easier Oh, it's no, but what I'm saying is like There's not going to be a lot of people there No one's going to fuck with you And you know the elk are there So the much more difficult path Is like the public land hunter Who has to go deep into the forest to get away from all the people Like my friend Adam told me He went 23 miles into the forest once And he's like no one's going to be here and he found two tents He's like mother fucker These hunters, they're all realizing So there's like a category of hunter That's like these athletes That love it Yeah, but they're athletes Like these guys are super physically fit So they can go 25 miles, 30 miles in And they can be by themselves Which is pretty serious Oh yeah man Yeah, you did a great job of explaining to that one guy about why wolves and elk And because you're saying like you know fundamentally like you know God And the fact that animals eat each other and you're like because there's wolves Elk are mega athletes that can run up a mountain Yeah, I was just like I was listening to it Like yes, yes, yes, yes Yeah, that's why they are the way they are Yeah, you can't take that out of the equation Yeah, like people want Oh, let's have all the elk live in harmony Where they never have to worry about getting eaten That's not real Just standing there Yeah, what you're saying is not real So if you're saying you don't want hunting You're saying you want these animals to die in a far more horrific way Because we need population control Some say we need people But that's the world economic for them But what I think is with animals At least we understand like we have wildlife biologists that are incredible at this job And they understand what the holding populations are They're like this is how much food is there This is how many deer are there This is sustainable We can give out this amount of tags And so we keep the populations But you have to also take into account wolves When wolves move into an area Everything gets fucked Everything gets fucked They kill off a giant percentage of the calves They kill off domestic animals They do surplus kills sometimes Like in Wyoming They found this crazy surplus kill Where these wolves had killed like a hundred cow elk And they were just laying there Because if they can't help themselves man If they can do it they're gonna do it Like if they're stuck in snow Or if something's going on Or they can't get away If they got them cornered They just go on a slaughter fast Well that's like when we were in school And they were like you know the Native Americans only took And then like you read Empire of the Summer Moon and you're like Oh it's all lies It's all lies The Native Americans were unbelievably brutal to each other The Comanches were insane That book changed my whole view of everything They're gonna do a movie Is it a movie or a series?

1:39:01It's a movie right? I hope the series is doing movie But it's Taylor Sheridan He'll do it right now I was reading that book on an expedition And I was like when did we stop being warriors? Never No I'm talking about the electricity Still going on right now But the mentality The mentality like where they'd be like oh yeah Kwanoh was you know by this stream And they saw some other another tribe going that When they just went let's go get them Yeah you don't need to do that You might die And they were just like let's go They went on raiding parties So they thought it was fun Yeah that's what it was to them They'd go and find other Native tribes And fuck them up And sometimes eat them Yeah But I'm saying like that to me Given the modern context Like we're raised to be so sensitive And so considerate And it's like These people you read about the I don't remember Kwanoh's mom's name But the Cynthia Ann Parker The woman that was This is a photo over on the lobby Yeah Yeah breastfeeding her baby Yeah, dark And like she was kidnapped And I think she had a baby that they killed And then fast forward like five years, ten years later And she only speaks command She didn't have a baby when they caught her No she was only nine Okay When they killed her There was someone that they caught And she had a baby and they could kill it on the road Yeah But then she became a command I think they killed her mother's other child Yeah I think that's what when they killed her mother And they raped her mother And they were unbelievably brutal But they had a hard time with their population Because they're riding horses so much So they're losing a lot of babies right now So to mitigate that they would take young kids So they find young kids And they could nap them and bring them into the tribe So they kill the parents And Oh my God some of the stores are so And what the craziest thing is what our government did Our government was like hey you want a homestead?

1:40:51Go out there We'll give you a chunk of land What was that? They did it to bait people The first scene of that book The guy goes out there and he's like Hello good friends Yeah Good day to you and they like cut his head off And he has his face off and so Yeah They kill everybody Well you know you're on their land as far as they're concerned What the fuck are you doing? And what the government was doing was saying Hey you can go homestead out there And it was baiting them And so then they made these people fight off the Comanche And if it wasn't for Jack Hayes And the Texas Rangers Texas Rangers Texas would have never been settled This was all the Comanche Did there so many arrowheads here?

1:41:27It's mad I would go nuts if I found an arrowhead in real life Like if I was about to be a thing and I found an arrowhead I would be the best day of my life I found one once in Nevada You found it? No I did not find that one That one was giving me This is a real arrow That's a real arrow Absolutely My friend Remi said that's probably one they used for fish Because it's larger He said the ones they used for deer are smaller Because you know they don't have a lot of force on their bows And they have to penetrate So they want a smaller diameter arrowhead Ouchy wow Oh fuck you up Oh that's so cool And they used to have the ability to hold all their arrows in between their fingers So they could fire off arrows one after another That's why when they came up with the musket They were like this is not good enough One shot And then they got to sit there and fuck and re - And they just filling you up the arrows So when Colt developed a revolver That changed the game Because now also these guys had cartridges I think the initial one was five shots So then these cartridges And they could just pop the cartridge out Put a new one in BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE Change the game Yeah, crazy thing is he was sitting over there in New Jersey I think developing that He was like I'm fatiguing this And he sent it to the...

1:42:34I think he said he sent it over there And everyone was like what is this? No, not like that The government didn't want it for soldiers They were like why don't we need this? We don't need this But the Texas Rangers used it figured it out Yeah and like we need that fucking thing And so they were really the predecessor Like to our image of like the cowboy Like that's the birth of the cowboy right? Well I mean that whole image of like a dude with a hat on a horse Like that was the... To me that's like It looked like you were getting towards After the command sheets Like the end of the command sheet times Into the...

1:43:04I don't think cowboys are around for long Like that period that we think of like the Wild West I think it was like a period of like... It's kind of funny right? Because it's such a genre in our history Like there's not a whole lot of civil war cool movies No, because nobody likes this stuff But there's a lot of western cool movies Because it's romantic But the history of genocide In North America in terms of like what happened to the Native Americans Has been so poorly documented in movies Because nobody wants to watch that Right, so the movies are all just you know Guys in saloons Having shootouts with other bad Americans And every now and then some Native American we get into the picture You have to fuck that Indian up Because he was trying to steal your goats or whatever Or maybe the cool tracker Yeah, yeah, yeah Like in a Butch Cassie in the Sundance K where they're running And like they're like these guys have a Native American tracker I said, like what a weird genre of films That only looks at it from one perspective The perspective of the people that came over there And not even the real thing that happened to people is exactly what happened to people in the Amazon It's disease Yeah That's the lost city of Z Right You know when they went there These for the first people were like this place is amazing They was complex cities It's golds everywhere It's gorgeous And then so people made the track back And by the time they went there all those people were dead Yeah From dirty, stinky European diseases Yeah, I can't hear you want some blankets Yeah Well that blanket thinks not real No The smallpox on the blankets was real?

1:44:33No They think that I mean there might have been some instances where people knowingly gave people blankets with smallpox But smallpox just spread Just spread like wildfire Because everybody was immune to it from Europe Like not immune But they had some sort of antibodies Because smallpox was everywhere So when they came over here we brought a bunch of shit over here that just wrecked those people Yeah There's a, I did an expedition in right before Lex came in the next position in March And me and JJ went to I love back We basically picked a part of the Amazon that we'd never been to and went let's go see what's over there And it took us Just picked a spot We picked a spot because it was around in the place that like on the map there's no, there's no towns There's no nothing So we said let's go there And it took us a week We had to take a commercial flight To a smaller flight To a smaller flight And then we had to take a boat for three days nine hours a day to get to the start of the expedition Now when you do that do you check to see if there's uncontacted tribes that are reported in those areas What you do is you get to the last town And you go You wait What's that way?

1:45:42And they tell you And the scariest thing And this was one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life was that There were these tiny little people there and they were So there was like normal Peruvians walking around like Lager's gold miners there you know they're they're their chain saws There's people who had gasoline barges There's also prostitute boats that drive around like brothels that go on a boat Yeah And you can and you can pay them in wood surprisingly enough board fee to timber no joke Oh yes you get to the real like this is a place where like you feel like you went to time machine And you get out there And there's people with modern machines But then often the corner there are these little people and they were still holding onto their bows and arrows And you look at them and as soon as you look at them they hide And we were like who are they and they're like those are the Nawa And we were like what's going on with the Nawa And it turns out that the Nawa were shooting at the oil company guys that were trying to get into this deep again A part of the forest that never has been accessed before Now it's starting people are reaching deeper into the Amazon And the problem is they'd be going up this river and there'd be arrows flying by them Oh my god So how do they solve that problem?

1:46:50They funded the missionaries Sent the missionaries out there to talk to the Nawa and convince them to come back to the nearest town So these are uncontacted tribes who were right there Like we're standing there like kind of talking to them We're like oh, and they're out of the missionaries communicate with them The missionaries go like you know Bible up and they just hope And they just fucking hope Are these the Mormons like what groups? I actually don't know Mormons love to do that I don't know what group was I know I saw I saw the missionary and he gave me a dirty evil look and walked away Like this is dark shit The missionary gave you an evil look Oh no these are not people that are okay And so these terrified think about this for a second So what are the missionaries up to?

1:47:30They're working for the oil companies They're clearing out the forest, they're clearing the way They're just doing it peacefully But are they actual missionaries or are they acting as missionaries? Whatever it is they're going with the missionary protocol Getting these people to come in So what they did was through two translators from Spanish to some to to yin -ne to Nawa to something We asked this guy and we had to stay away because we didn't want to get them sick And we had to say like what are you doing here? And the guy was like I'm trying to go back to my house Like where I live in my house my jungle And he said these missionaries said if I came here that then they'd help me and the food and you know And they were very confused because the missionaries had brought back a boatload of them And kind of tricked them because then when they got to the town They just showed up to capitalist society Which even though it's super remote They're like you want food you got to buy it And these people have a bow and arrow but there's no more animals around Because they killed everything And they go but I want to go home and the missionaries go well do you got gasoline?

1:48:26Now they're stuck Oh my god how far? Like three days of driving in a boat so like 70 miles by river And so these poor people are coming into modern society a thousand years late With their wooden bow and arrows they're this big they're tiny little people and they're terrified And no one's helping them Oh my god And it's the edge of the world and it's exactly when I was reading this Comanche book On that expedition and I'm going this is the same thing It's that manifest destiny this is the end of their culture There's no one there's no one who's going to help them And they were just terrified sitting there at the edges of the streets And all these people are riding by on motorcycles and rickshaws and this boat's going by And these people are trying to look for a rat to shoot Oh my god It was terrifying Oh my god It was terrifying I felt so bad for them because they had no idea You could see they had no idea And they don't even speak the language They don't even speak they're two degrees separated with language So like you could speak guinea which is the local tribal language there But these people don't even speak that They speak their language So you'd have to go from Spanish to guinea to Nawa Oh my god And we were there and these people were going So how does someone know Nawa that you talked to?

1:49:41Because one of the guinea guys that I knew was had been living there So he'd picked up a few Nawa words and so they were there They were going so So how long have these people been there for? I didn't get that but they were literally living in a camp Where are the trees where they're stayed by the trees They wanted to be by the trees Oh my god So there's people you could buy a Coca -Cola there Like this was like you could buy gasoline, Coca -Cola, whatever Way out there there's a boat that has some gasoline cylinders You can fill up your boat and then this is where this is the law It's like during the gold rush in Alaska It's like the last place before you go into the wild Oh my god And these it was just it was really horrible to see And I think reading that the Empire of the Summer Moon was made even worse Because that's so dirty So they trick these people and they go into the town and then they just abandon them Yeah Oh my god And these people how could they know that someone would do that to them?

1:50:35They don't even know what a town is like They don't even know what a town is like Oh my god And so they're still you see them they're washing by the river And they're trying to feed their babies but their starving ones Probably nobody gives a fuck And no one gives a fuck And they're treated like dirt too Because humans are humans and so Right No one wants to help them, nobody can talk to them And then of course they're kind of frustrated Right They're not exactly friendly either Right Wow See that crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy Have you seen that overhead fit it There's there's a view like a camera is on some of the helicopter or something And it's photographing these guys And they're all fucking pointing close narrows Yeah This one How wild is that?

1:51:16You think that's wild I can show you something that I can't show publicly But look at this Really? Yeah I got something that no one's seen This is from last week No you're not This is from last week Oh wow So what Joe's looking at right now is a bunch of uncontacted tribes standing in the rain And again they don't speak the language of the people that are trying to interact with them So this is across a river Are these those same people that were in that town? These are not the Nala This is a different tribe Oh my god man this is a wild This is like imagining what it would be like to run into people hundreds of thousands of years ago Are you on the single guy yet?

1:51:59Yeah Incredible man I mean that guy looks like someone from the past Yeah It doesn't look like someone from now Yeah And so what they did was they sent them a canoeful of bananas Now that guy standing there in the cold shaking his head Like he might just not know the word for blanket It's insane man This is incredible Yeah And these are essentially some of the last people on earth like this Yeah and so there's a huge debate about how we protect them Because there's two camps There's some people that say you know they're running scared during the industrial revolution They pushed further out and they're too scared to come in and get help And then there's other people that go no there are no bullsabages and they live out there Because they want to and they're the last free people But looking at these videos And seeing some of the stuff they're trying to carefully interact with some of the most remote tribes And so there's people that live seven days from the nearest town That speak a dialect of native language in the Amazon And the tribes will come out and they'll you know they'll come out and they'll you saw They'll they'll come out and they'll just look they'll look at them They'll make gestures they'll do things But if you get too close them they shoot you So you can't really you can't just go up to them be like hey man what's up?

1:53:15Do you want some eggs? Right you can't do that So what happens is this standoff on either side of the river where you have people that Liver remote lifestyle and are very very Indigenous But that can still interact with us that no or you know Mother modern world have seen a dollar before have seen a spoon the wheel We're an underarmature sure? Yeah exactly And then these people show up And they got their dicks tied to their stomachs And they wear no clothes and they're doing their making sounds sometimes you're using animal calls they tie their dicks down so they don't Get scratched up they time up they so if you look at this dude here look I'll just pause it on when he's that's so gangster Yeah, I mean I got it tied up I mean think about the stuff they're walking through you don't want to drag him on the ground But everything's got a thorn so like look look at that like he's he's got that tied up But yeah, you don't want to get in you don't want to get in I guess you want like mosquitoes have an access to the head That could be a problem that could be a problem aren't there like little Fishes that swim up your dick hole too that's only if you're peeing in the water Oh a much worse thing is when you take a shit in the jungle Oh, all the bugs are coming for you so you gotta like you gotta like be on on like dick patrol what you're doing that because you're gonna Get bug bites on your ass, but you got to make sure they don't go in your ass hole well sure Right does that's her yet because as soon as you as soon as you crouch Dung beetles bigger than golf balls start flying through the air so oh you're trying to take a shit in the sun so they know they See when an animal crouches fart there are animals falling Oh And so you're sitting there and you have to there's a bunch of things you gotta do first you gotta break your stick Right, so you have like some leaves the leaves just to keep your your ass bug free to get the mosquitoes away And then the other thing you gotta do is you gotta be holding a tree because you're crouching right right but then you use your Astick to swat away the Dung beetles because they come in And I one Dung beetle hit my friend most and in the eyeball and Like scratched his actual eyeball because it flew straight and they have you know rhinoceros horns coming out of their faces And their exoskeleton's brutal and they're heavy It's a big bug and they're airborne and they're moving quick and when they're what they want your shit because And they're gonna take it and they're gonna roll it into balls and they're gonna push it through the jungle and they're gonna lay their eggs in it Oh god, so yeah, taking a shit in the jungle is like a hole You have to know how to do it if you don't know how to do it you could end up in a lot of trouble good Lord man So many things to think about and this is your everyday existence Yeah, yeah, I just so when you went to that spot when you decided let's let's go there and It takes you three days and you get up there and you see these people Did you wind up going deeper into the jungle and seeing how they actually live?

1:56:03So you can you or is it dangerous? Well both why I had some trackers with me who were Extremely experienced in all of this thing new where we couldn't couldn't go and we went on a We took us a week to get to the launch point and then we went on a six day expedition from there We're eating fish out of the river. We're drinking out of the river camping on the beaches and Then we did reach a point where they found signs of uncontacted drives and that's when it gets dangerous and they went we're going back Wow 100 % going back. I mean you have to you for the for everyone's this note There's absolutely no way that you can continue going you're gonna either get killed or be killed like it turns into I mean these guys turned around they loaded the shotguns and they were like we turn around this moment It turns the boat and just wow the moment that you know because they know you're there before you know they're there They know you there.

1:56:49Yeah, if you're coming in a boat, too. It's probably making a lot of noise. Yeah, right? Oh, yeah Wait, you know thing from a long ways out two two two three weeks ago some loggers They found them they were the the the chainsaw they were the loggers were chain sawing on the Talwa Manu River The loggers were it from the look of the I'm kind of Sherlock Holmes in the image I saw that the loggers were cutting this log They were dead where they were standing so you think these guys are Cutting this log and the tribes are surrounding them. They had no idea Wow, and they just started throwing arrows from the shadows and so they found the bodies of two loggers See if you find that Jamie this was this was within August Peru tribes killed there's a picture like a blurry picture of it of the loggers Yeah, they don't show you anything.

1:57:34It's just you know when it comes in a big find it I bet you my guys have it on what's at dark web. I bet your WhatsApp group is wild my WhatsApp group is ridiculous I got to show you some of the pictures. I got to try sending you some some crazy shit. Yeah, let me in yeah These bigs are probably the one chair. I got terrible pictures Because one time they killed these guys and their bodies were on the beach for a few days and they they blew up and became white So they look like the Michelin man, but then when the bultures got to them They started ripping out their eyeballs and disemboweling them.

1:58:03So by the time people went to find them Just skeletons it was like the skeleton was half out of the face There's some of the most gruesome shit you've ever seen it was incredible It's incredible. That's like dude now now because of you know Having a large social media following people just send me their crazy shit So I got to be careful what I open because people will send you a video and Like one thing that I found very disturbing somebody sent me a video and it was like here click on this And it was somebody like there was like a deer and he was feeding a deer and feeding a deer And then he takes a hang on a shoots it in the head and I was like that's fucking hard.

1:58:37I was like no So now I'm careful, but somebody sent me a few weeks ago a video of which this one I'm probably gonna share But I have to make sure that they don't get me for it An elephant trainer in India and he's working next to this elephant and he's just working next to the elephant doing his thing And this elephant just decides that today ain't his day And elephant just knocks him over and crushes his pelvis Oh, and then it's like that's not good enough. So it pushes his foot on the guy's head and Just flat and some minutes all on video. Oh my god. It's well actually Jamie on there is there's one Picture of it might even say yeah, it says elephant dead and it's just a picture of a guy His gun is broken in half and his head is flattened and that's an India that the elephant just they just flattened the guy It was just like enough is enough.

1:59:22I mean people torture elephants. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's the guy. Oh boy. Yeah. Oh Yeah Yeah Why did you make me look at that? Hey, you want the good stuff or not? I do Give it all to me. Show me the arrows and the guys. I'll show that the one next to that one is the elephant stepping on the guy if you want If you don't care I'm here while I'm here. I mean it's important people should know not to not to go not to be people think elephants are Cuddly they're not they're not to be messed with He's just decided he's out enough. This one's horrible because it's not quick. It's not quick But like see this elephant is not you know, he's probably around this elephant every day and it doesn't look like he's You know see what he's doing.

2:00:03He's doing his poke in the arm. That shit's annoying. Yeah, and the elephant's gone. You know what? That's enough look So at this point he's already broken at this point. I mean his pelvis is gone even if you live to be Everything's just getting crushed and My god, oh my god That's that he just had enough. Oh, this is horrible man Just stomping this guy. He's already dead. Yeah, I just dead now. Oh my god. He's so flat. That's so crazy He's picking him up in his mouth. I mean this elephant is angry. Oh My god guys so dead I mean that's not even a big elephant and this other guy runs in to stop it Are you out of your fucking mind?

2:00:55But that elephant's probably tired of wearing that fucking stupid outfit too. Yeah, I already get poked out with a stick Yep, well, that's probably like a 5 ,000 pound Asian elephant Whereas the largest elephant largest African elephant was something around 24 ,000 pounds. Oh my god. Yeah, these are these are you know 18 wheelers. They're huge. Yeah, and what's fucked up about that is like when you have Tribes or towns or villages or people that are growing things. Yeah, and the elephants find it They just like sorry. Yeah, that's really tough because there's not enough jungle for the elephants and then Yeah, I'm turning down an entire field full of pineapples.

2:01:32Yeah, they're like no, this is my pineapple. These are my pineapples Yeah, they don't have any understanding of ownership Like these are pineapples that are on the ground no one's eating them of course I'm gonna eat them And they can eat all the pineapples and so now everybody's stars and no one can stop them people come out They throw rocks at them and they don't you can do it. They'll push your house over. They don't Yeah, let's dump you into the fucking dirt They don't give a shit can't say I'm a favorite elephant story from where I started doing work with this This private game reserve in Africa called Buffalo Clube and it's these incredible people warned and Wendy Ripon and they I Started going over there because they were using post -911 veterans to protect their elephants and rhinos But their elephants they found out they called the Hallcroft herd They they found out that some Saudi prince had elephants In this reserve and they weren't irrigating it so the elephants were dying So they went and they did a flight over and they saw dead elephants They saw dead animals and there was I think there was I think there was 10 or 11 elephants that were still alive And so they went to the South African court.

2:02:32They repossessed the elephant herd The owners of the reserve that I work with they went with a helicopter you circle it around They got the elephants together. They darted the whole family at once all 11 elephants got them on trucks like semi -lucid Just kind of awake got them onto trucks Transported them to Buffalo Clube where they're gonna be safe Release them and they said that when these elephants woke up and came off the trucks and now they're in a private Gamers are where they're gonna be safe their rest of their lives He said they just Exploded they went flying into the water started drinking playing bathing just eating everything they rearranged the entire ecosystem And one of the females was pregnant and they didn't know that the females pregnant Wow And so these people are doing this and create this crazy work where they're protecting black rhinos which are critically endangered Elephants white rhinos all this stuff and they're doing it through hunting They're doing it where they have hunting They have a reserve that is fenced in because South Africa everything's fenced in but the elephants and the rhinos and you're keeping at this point We're keeping black rhinos On the brink of extinction.

2:03:37We're keeping them from going extinct But it's like you go there and these elephants are so happy Because they're living in a place where they're free right while they have food and they have as much food as they want They have like 50 ,000 acres a dream for an elephant to get Rescaded you like oh fuck you see a helicopter and you're like oh there's no water here Everyone's dying and then all of a sudden you're in this bountiful place in this bountiful place And it's pretty dope and it's funny too because talking about like the people the You know the the the the anti -hunting people and it's like this is a place where very very different reality than the Amazon But where you know the the owner said to me is like you know You can you can no one's gonna pay you $30 ,000 to take a picture of a buffalo He's like people pay $30 ,000 to hunt a buffalo all the time And so they use sustainable hunting of like the zebras and the buffalo and the impala and stuff like that to protect The entire ecosystem of leopards and elephants and black rhinos white rhinos And so you have tourism and hunting side -by -side in this incredible game reserve It's wild well Unfortunately the only way where people really appreciate animals is to make them a commodity Whether you make them a commodity for going on safari with you make them a commodity for Hunting them because before that when people were just poaching and doing market hunting They were on the brink of extinction.

2:04:51There's a lot of animals there a lot of the undulates that were on the brink of extinction Yeah, you know, there's some there's animals in Texas that you can hunt That are endangered in their native lands, but that they've bred them in Texas Yeah, they bred some there's more tigers in Texas and there are in all the wild of the world just in people's yards Yeah, I just met somebody that had ealans on her property this Ealans are very common. Yeah, huge fucking animals crazy horns. They're cool looking But these these wild game reserves in Africa, you know People go over there and they shoot these animals and then that meat gets donated to these tribes And this friend of mine who went over there to do that was saying that they went to this school Which was like it's to call it a school.

2:05:34It's just it's dirt floors, you know, no windows It's just this building where kids go and the food they get is all cans So they have canned foods and so they brought them hundreds of pounds of meat That they and they everybody went crazy the whole village comes in advance kids of it fresh meat and It does help it helps, but really what's fucked is that people live like that like really the the way to get People out of that situation when you have these insanely Improversed countries where you can take advantage of people and have a mind for coalball is to try to elevate the standard of living for those people Try to bring them power and give them irrigation and give them fresh water and And figure out a way to get them resources like yeah, I mean that's exactly what we're doing in the Amazon is get the logger's a better fucking job They don't want to be loggers.

2:06:26No one wants to be a gold miner, right? Nobody wants to be a poacher in Africa And so a lot of people want to be gold miners Not this kind of gold miners. No, but that's not gold mining. That's this is sand mining for bits of gold Like this is what they cut down the Amazon for right, but gold mining in Alaska probably fine Proper imagine being part of the minor 49ers. They came over here in 1849. That's different You find it nugget of gold. Yeah, that's different. That's a whole different thing. Have you seen the movie sissu? It's like a John Wick movie from World War II. It's about this crazy soldier who Becomes a gold miner and he finds gold and he's you know retired done with the war and then he he's hiking out with this gold He's riding out with his gold and the Nazis.

2:07:11Yeah show up and he has to kill all those movies over He can kill everybody. It's awesome. I can't I can't I can't I'm okay in the matrix. It's because they're in the matrix right every other movie where one guy like the taken Where he can like take down a room full of people taking sort of ridiculous, but this guy you kind of believe it Yeah, yeah, it's pretty fucking I mean, it's guys like covered in scars his whole body's been wore his whole his whole life. Yeah Give it a chance. This is this is the guy wait Who's the actor that's not Brendan Gleason is no it's I don't know I don't know his name, but it's not American movie Look at the trailer with the knife.

2:07:50This fucking movie rules. Yeah rules it rules Yeah, that's the gentleman's name. I've never heard him. Yeah, but he's fucking awesome Not the foot the far the second go of violence was Peaky Blinders. I think oh my god. What a show? Yeah, what a show? Yo, what a show? I have so much trouble not just talking like Alfie Solomon's my entire life I fucking love that character but all of the Peaky blind is off That and then my newest thing is the hundred foot wave if you haven't watched this thing No, what's that? Oh my god surfers Garrett Mac the Marrow the you know the you know the wave in In Portugal the yes, right?

2:08:29It's the dude and his wife who discovered it You know they tell the whole story where like you know he's looking for big waves I have they're all chasing big waves like point break shit like you know and then I think they get an email from someone She she gets an email from someone. She's like we should go check out this wave and This dude goes first of all wave porn all day long Look at these ways such a fucking good show and I'm looking at this going I want to make I want to make a show one day about how we made our national park how the fuck did they document this? This dude is so insane to do that so insane to write this is this is some of the best shit I've ever seen I'm riveted by this also.

2:09:04I just can watch that wave again and again and again those guys who do that are different Humans, but this is it's it's the cinematography. It's the storytelling oh We go down No, yeah dude. No the injuries the injuries are brutal. I mean you talk about 70 foot wave Oh my god the weight of that water must be insane They literally went looking for the biggest wave and then just like that old tree in Ireland This is like become the the the thing for that town right people come there for the wave now Oh, how many people die there every year? I think they have a pretty good safety system They have like a jet ski rescue system.

2:09:39We're like if you if I if I tow you on to a wave I feel like I know it now from watching the show if I tow you on to a wave and you catch this epic wave But then you get trucked and you're under 40 feet of foam and you're getting just bashed under there When that wave goes to the shore I have like 10 seconds to race in there with my jet ski and you got to grab on before the next wave comes and if I don't if you Don't grab the ski. I got to leave you and you got to go under there So as you're watching the show you're like do they die? Do they die? Are they okay? Holy shit and the whole time they're just showing you this beautiful wave porn Constant waves and you're just like this is this is and these people wake up every day and have the same Affliction that I have to just like how do I get my adrenaline?

2:10:22It's like I feel like I can relate you ever meet those dudes. They're so calm Because they're they're always coming down from it. They're like oh man. There's no waves today Just like when you meet when you meet like certain veterans. They're just like what man? Like we're not getting shot at today. So it's all good. Yeah, it's fascinating how calm they are Kelly Slater Yeah, have you had him in here? Yeah, I've had him on he's awesome. You've had lared Hamilton. Yep. Lared Hamilton's in the stand. He's good friend of mine He does that shit too. That's all these guys are they're they're all chill dudes Like real serious people.

2:10:53Yeah, you know, yeah, Lared Lared shows up in there. They have him like being like yeah that fucking wave is crazy With his huge neck he's just like dude You ever see his workout where he takes weights in the pool and walks on the bottom of the pool. He's a fucking maniac Yeah, no, he's he's he's always been just I mean you just look at him He's built he's built like an action figure. He's he's always been incredible No days off with that guy And that world of just wanting to constantly get on the biggest waves is just such a nutty proposition I totally understand it though. I think it's to do something that that's it's like say you know you can ride a dragon Right, yo, right, you know, or you know, Elon's like I want to go to Mars like somebody tells you look at the big a mountain of water Right, you can fly on that right.

2:11:38I'm in right sign me up. I mean, I feel like that snowboarding and snowboarding is chill You're not like taking your life in your hands, but like when you're going as fast as you can on a snowboard down a mountain Like man, I am fucking surfing a mountain right now. Yeah, it is it is flying. It's an apex of life I feel like that when I jump on an anaconda. I'm like I am going to die. What I'm on a spot I don't snowboard but I ski in my ski. I'm like don't get hurt. Don't get hurt. Don't get hurt. Don't get hurt. Didn't get hurt Yeah, yeah, don't need a tree. I've just been injured so many times in my life that I see people falling down the last time I ski too.

2:12:10I did wipe out pretty hard See skis. I don't like that your legs. I feel like I'm gonna time my legs into a into a into a knot Yeah, but I don't like being attached to that board. Nope, because when you hit ice and you fall forward That face mask head first coming right out. I know a dude who got fucked up on a snowboard that way Hit the snowboard went up and he landed head first and just got right out cold, you know Friends had to find him. Yeah, I teach I teach somehow. I've I've taught all my friends at a snowboard And I've never had anybody get hurt too bad. It's always like, you know, that's crazy bunny hill to like, you know, whatever Shane my friend Shane Doryne that I was just talking about he destroyed his knee snowboarding Yeah slammed into a tree toward a part how to get reconstructive surgery and you know think about that guys whole life is riding waves Shane Doryne.

2:12:57Yeah, yeah, and he's a certain now. Yeah, awesome server. Yeah big wave server And so you know how to get his knee reconstructed as soon as he got fixed right back to snowboard. Yeah, I mean dude That it's the thing you love it's the thing you love. I mean I don't get it no matter how many dumbbells fly out my ass I see I just keep going back to the jungle. I understand but I don't get it I do understand I just like my brain didn't go down that path, but I get the path I could have gone down that path. I see it. I see the lure. I see the lure of the big wave. I see the lure of the jungle I see it.

2:13:31I think you do it in a lot of I think you you I'm you know, I think you do a lot of things obsessively I think that when you get interested in something whether it's elk hunting or whether it's archery or whatever it is you go 100 % and so you kind of get that same hit from it. Yeah, I understand it. Yeah, I just have just attached themselves to something that's insane Mm -hmm. I think it's in everything. I think everything is like that There's things that human beings find that are complicated and challenging We gravitate towards those things because we get these rewards of accomplishment I think these rewards of accomplishment are built into our our system of what it is to be a human being And what our purpose is on earth and I think that there's You you can live your whole life and not find a thing that you are that you find challenging and rewarding And I think that's a tragedy because I think you're living a boring ass life And there's a lot of people that's the great thorough quote most men live lives of silent desperation And that's real that's most people don't have a thing that they do that excites them It's difficult and challenging and rewarding and that's not a good life.

2:14:39It's a safe life Right, that's what people want. They want a safe life people want to retire. I want to go off in the sunset It's all bullshit You do you want a life filled with challenges and rewards and you want to learn about yourself along the way You want to make mistakes because that's how you grow you want to do challenging things because that's how you find out how far you can push yourself You want to learn more because it elevates your capacity to understand things It's part of being a human. It's it's a fascinating thing that's elective and that's the part about it that makes it interesting It's elective you don't have to do it You can get a very plain boring job that's not challenging or intriguing and just exist And you can exist on bad food and you can exist on bad information and watch television all day and never Challenge your mind and just dull yourself with alcohol and slowly rot Until your body gives out I think a lot of people clip their own wings thinking That you know, that's not me.

2:15:39Yeah, that's true, too. I don't have access to that and then you don't realize that The difference between you and Goggins or you know Mac the Mara is is just it's just obsession It's just go out and do it and a lot of times it's getting on a path and then like think about Goggins Like when you first started that what if he never did Decide to get fit. What if he stayed that 300 pound dude. It's just drinking milkshakes all day He was big and fat and he couldn't even run a hundred yards That's that's who he was when he first started working out And a switch flipped and he got on a path and he stayed on that path He wasn't on that path his whole life and then all sudden he gets on that path and becomes the biggest psycho of all time on that path But you have to either have a traumatic event that wakes you up or Some sort of just boundless innate optimism.

2:16:30I don't know if there's a you have to have this or that I think there's a whole bunch of different things that can happen to people I think near -death experiences. I think loss of a loved one I think maybe a realization that Sometimes people just wake up and say I can't do this anymore. Whatever they're doing that's boring or sucky or Just soul sucking. They just get to a point where they go. I can't do this anymore And sometimes it's just like an alcoholic hits rock bottom. It's like I'm not drinking anymore I'm fucking done And people do my friend Dave did that. He never went to rehab didn't do nothing He crashed his car.

2:17:03He got he got arrested because he ran away from the scene the accident He was drunk driving and he said I'm never drinking again never drinking again To the day died just just just limit one just reach his limit didn't go to alcoholics anonymous They'll like you have to go. He's like no, I don't I'm just not drinking anymore. I'm done And he just had to his whole life. He was a drunk He just had to get to this point where he's like this can't be me anymore. Yeah, he just discussed yourself There's a whole bunch of different ways to get to that. Sometimes you get to it through inspiration Sometimes you get to it through desperation Sometimes you get to it just through intrigue like sometimes you know You walk into jiu jitsu gym and you've never even done a martial art in your whole life you take a lesson And you're like oh my god.

2:17:43This is so fun And then five years later you're a fucking jiu jitsu wizard and you're obsessed with it and you train every day And you're on this new path as a human being because you found a thing that excited you and it could be big wave surfing It could be playing chess. It could be there's a probably a thing out there that resonates with you You just haven't had it and then there's the thing of getting outside of your comfort zone Which people don't like where people struggle. Yeah, because they have never had any experience with it And they don't understand the reward of doing it But the people that do do it all the time whether it's you know David Goggins or Jaco or anybody that you see that's like a Fitness influencer or people that are like super fit.

2:18:22They just stay on the path. That's the key The key is just just every fucking day is a new challenge You don't want to do it every day If your guy runs marathons, there's no fucking way you want to run every day But you know if you want to run a sub three hour marathon You got to run every fucking day and you got to check your heart rate and you got to make sure you're eating correctly You got to do all those things. It's fucking hard to do But because it's hard to do people get obsessed, you know, maybe they run a five K They're like I can't believe I did it. Wow, I ran three miles And then the next thing you go you know what I'm gonna run a half marathon and they prepare for a half marathon The next thing you know they're a fucking runner.

2:19:02Yeah, well But that's and that's and that's the thing that to me what I see is so many people going You know, especially like at this point people go like oh, I can't believe you know you do this work in the jungle And they go I always wanted to do this and I listened to when people say I always wanted to do it And I'm like go do it. Yeah go do it some people can't right because some people I mean the reality is some people have families and they have mortgages and they have loved ones they take care of There's not a chance in hell you can take a father of four no and all of a sudden this guy could become a jungle keeper It's just he's not gonna leave Ohio and you know and quit his job in Columbus and I mean not full time But I'm saying he could he could do something he could do something But the point is you did you went on this path very or how old were you when you first started this path?

2:19:4517. Yeah, see that's a good age 17 you don't know what the fuck is going on the world your young you're all full of calm your fucking T .J. I'm telling you what to do. Yeah fuck fuck people fuck these people and then you have there's no rules confidence and intelligence And you decided to make this a path and then you find this incredibly rewarding part of the path Which is saving the rainforest and so now you have a a reason to live so your life becomes filled with meaning and that's the problem with a lot of people even that have jobs that are really good jobs They don't have meaning and that's why people fill their life up with bullshit They just buy things and do cocaine and fucking you know Get a luxury yacht You know they just get these things that are trying to fill some sense of Purpose in meaning because they don't really enjoy what they do They don't get just purely satisfied by what they actually do They need all these other things to motivate them to keep doing it and then they get caught up in this numbers game Where a guy only has a billion dollars feels like a loser when he's hanging out with Jeff Bezos I never understood that dude.

2:20:51I never understood what making it past a certain amount of income and not just going Cool Now I'm gonna go enjoy now. I'm gonna take care of my friends now. I'm gonna take care of that one neighbor that I always knew needed help And now I'm gonna do this and just start doing good with that shit And there are people who do that like I could tell you as a person who grew up poor. Yeah one of the things that happens is First initially you worry that you're not gonna be able to maintain it. That's initial fear That's that's super super common and guys start getting like really famine It's interesting when they start making more money.

2:21:21Yeah, they start getting more freaked out about money. I understand that happens But there's a limit. You see that with like a lot of Hollywood people they like change how they talk about things They change their opinions. They want they don't want to take any risks You know, so you want to keep that gravy trained rolled in But if you're doing something you enjoy doing Then I think if you like especially if you're independent like podcasters right this is a good example Start making money and podcasting you like oh, this is great Like I just can make money doing a thing that I love to do like I'm not gonna stop doing it Why would I stop doing it and I also can keep making a lot of money?

2:21:58I think I'll just keep doing it especially since I enjoy it So I don't even think about it like doing it for the money I think about like I would like to talk to Paul He's an interesting dude. He lives in the Amazon. Oh, this is my job. I get to talk to Paul. Why would I stop? I mean, I would do this for free But I'm not going to yeah, but you're also you've trans that you've you're in the you know You've you've you've changed the world of podcast and you've kind of like flown above that I'm saying but even for the normal guy at a business. Yeah, but all that makes us first I know but I'm saying a normal person makes us first 5 million You don't even like people just you know no no no no no no no no no no no no no you need more You need more because you got a mortgage you got this you got that what if your kids go to college Also your money's not gonna be worth as much because of inflation and what if you're If you invest in this fucking hedge fund and this and that and this goes under or where you're if you're an idiot and invest in NFTs Yeah, or Bitcoin.

2:22:50I know a dude just lost a shit load of money in crypto coin Like you get nutty and I think it's free money and like no it's some kind of crazy thing that's going on We got fake money Some weird created money and you just spent a lot of real money to buy some of this weird Like fucking imaginary money digital money. Do you want to buy a what was one of those things those fake pictures that people bought for a while? NFTs. Yeah, what was that? What was that about that? What was that? That was crazy bro And they sold for millions of dollars. I know a dude who made he got rich. He was an artist. Yeah, but got rich selling NFTs Yeah, yeah in the beginning when everyone was like frothy with it It sold and then they dropped to nothing so I always have all these people coming out to me and they're like oh man You're trying to raise money for the rainforest and like you need you need to get into the NFT market So like I almost got got by the NFT people.

2:23:44Yeah, no, I've had multiple occasions where I've been asked to do things for NFTs And I've been asked to do things with crypto and I was like I don't even know what it is So how the fuck am I gonna do how am I gonna endorse? Like I won't endorse something unless it's a product that I've used or make sense or they can explain to me Oh, this is how it works. Okay, make sense But if you're doing something like an NFT like Jamie tried to explain it to me like six or seven times Yeah, and I was like okay, but you have it on your phone, right? So I can take a screenshot and I have it on my phone too.

2:24:19Yeah, no, but you don't own it. Okay, what does that mean? I have this I have the same thing you have of the exact same experience of having this million dollar Yacht ape is that what it's called? No, it's the board ape. What was the board ape? What was the eight fucking cartoon picture of a monkey? What did they call though? It was a yacht apes or board apes Was there was like one that a lot of people were buying and I was like what the fuck are you paying money for? This is crazy called the board a board. Oh, that's what word a Okay, board a board show show an image of what these fucking things are and what was the most expensive one that went for?

2:24:56Oh, by the way, that's an NFT. Okay thing. Yeah, but that's that's a whole different Pro yeah, that's Gila Moss that's Four days. Okay, did it just change color because we talked about it that thing. No that thing is no that's like a digital piece of art Right, that's a completely different thing. So you have to plug it in yeah, but that thing was a gift from an artist What's the name of your name? People. Oh, yeah, people. Sorry, but people's he puts up digital art every fucking day So when you he has like a gallery and you go there and these giant digital art It's like those kind of NFTs make sense this thing is like a shit cartoon.

2:25:38And how much did they go for? I mean at the time I saw those numbers at the bottom right there are showing That's that would be like I think it's ether so 111 ether would be the price. That's 3000 coin right now so it'd be 300 grand but 300 grand it said it was sold at 760 9 Just green shallion so it's sold at 760 9 so it's sold at close to a million dollars And what is that that's getting into the screenshot thing is a tough thing because it's like you on a car But me having a picture of your car on my phone doesn't mean I own your car Yeah, but you don't understand what I just said earlier. I said it's the exact same experience Yeah, I know the experience of having it on your phone is very different than the experience of you having a Picture of my car the same with any art then you that's just the argument for art that I Know because for example, but Mona Lisa I can look at the Mona Lisa my phone all day long.

2:26:29I don't own it right But there's a big difference between owning the Mona Lisa on your phone So like the Mona Lisa was only on a phone and you could just screenshot it and you would also have the exact same experience of the Mona Lisa The difference in the physical Mona Lisa is it's hundreds of years old right? It's paid it by a master. I'm not you don't just own it on your phone is this sort of the thought But you're where where do you own it? But the thing is you can replicate your phones and access point to where you do own it That's like saying your bank account, you know like is only on your phone But it's not I hear what you're saying, but it's not the same because there's no real value in that NFT It's fake like the experience of having it is no different.

2:27:07It's not like I mean I get the you're saying that it's money You got to trade it as my I agree with everything you're saying as someone that is invested in the stuff and I'm like I'm gonna Stint you waste how much did you waste? I didn't waste any because I was getting stuff when it was you get a chair for whatever You know like I bought it at the right time. I could have sold it and made a bunch of money, but I did not I would have had to pay taxes on all that money too Right people are doing or did or all stuff. It's also cookie the thing I was gonna bring up is I'm in the sports cards now those are Why is that stuff worth money?

2:27:38Well because they're original physical things and then they're also like have serial numbers on them I guess if you had a fake one that's where you don't know if anyone's faking it, but the thing is the real ones You're also getting like a little piece of history like this this arrowhead if somebody made this arrowhead And I didn't know because guys do make arrowheads. There's a lot of modern day people that make arrowheads But this one was found at a friend of mine's ranch. I have a bunch of these I have a few of them at home They're they're fucking amazing because these are like little windows into a time in history that was not that long ago It was right here and they're all over the place somebody made that so many made that and it took a long -ass time And then they had to make the rods for the arrows that which is not that easy.

2:28:21No, it's not No, the forest right now. We said okay. It's kind of perfectly straight stick Well, not only that you have to use sinew to make the string for your bow Yeah, you have to know what woods to use for the bow you have to know how to harden those woods and If you're making a recurve bow now it's even now you're talking even crazier that's that's even if you're just trying to make a simple Yeah, a simple long bow and And you have to be accurate with that thing and so that means you have you have to have enough arrows to practice with yeah Fire is the same thing every time I try and show someone how to make fire.

2:28:57It's like this is such a process It's such a process to get fire started. Yeah, which is again, it's so much fun being out in the jungle because whoever you are No matter how rich you are no matter how hot your shit is you're in the jungle You're shitting with the dumbbells just like a russet. Do you bring fire starter? You know that stuff that so like they sell they have like bricks of this stuff Or cords of it you cut off a little bit of a piece of it And then you have a flint and a piece of steel and you knock the two of them together like this this deal It's those rods the feral rod exactly that's exactly what it is right and you You light that stuff and it's it's soaked in chemicals probably fucking terrible to breathe in but that will keep fire for a long time You can use it to start fires.

2:29:40Yeah, we don't we we we just we usually we just have a lighter with us But it's there have been times. It's the problem So the only real way especially in the rainy season the wood is soaked through like if this was a stick It's soaked through and through it's not gonna burn You have to be very creative you have to like put some diesel fuel in a tuna can and make a fire over that And then let the let that burn for a little bit so it dries everything out so it dries everything out And then like even then it's a very like It's not a very enthusiastic fire. Right. I guess I'll burn if you need me too You're trying to like hook a pot of beans and it's your last pot of beans and it's all the food you got Oh my god.

2:30:16It's paying the ass things don't want to burn but when this rain We're happy. So you never bring like a little bunsen burner little little camp those little lightweight ones. No no no And and honestly that's a great idea for expeditions But what we do we bring these big propane tanks and just throw it on the boat And if you can't bring that then nothing but like what we have at the camping stores here They have like the little ones that go on your backpack. They just don't sell those in the where we go Right, you know, so like and you can't bring that on a plane. Oh, you can't no You can't bring a propane tank on a plane Whatever you want You can't like like if you would like a ri and buy a whatever those little camp stoves have in them You can't bring that on plane.

2:30:57So is there a place where you can receive packages? We can get it shipped to you. Yeah, we could probably get it shipped to Lima and then have it shipped down or whatever else But I mean right now we have a system that works but I again to me this may be me being like a you know like a luttite But it's like when we're out on expeditions like to me. I'm I want everyone's shit off like people like oh I have this new device. I can get network anywhere. I'm like turn it off That makes sense turn it off this the thing about this is it helps you boil water jet boils with a call So it's this little thing.

2:31:25Yeah, it's got a little tank in the last four days Yeah, he just cook it up when you want to cook food You know you turn it on you have a little thing with you and freeze -dried food and shit That's a lot of these guys pack when they go three miles deep into the woods Coffee yeah, you can make a coffee if you want to yeah I brought a guy who used to work at National Geographic on an expedition with me and it was a couple local guys Me my friend most and him and we went up this river and in hindsight He was like he actually thought we were messing with him He was like this can't be what you guys do He was like you just have a fucking boat and tense He was like it was I mean the bugs the sand the brutal this sun beating he was why don't you have a fucking roof?

2:32:03Do you become a custom to the bug bites? Yeah So is it just you just deal with it or does your body develop any kind of an antibody to it or anything to the to the sand fly bites Like me and JJ get bitten and we bleed But we don't get the like the the the elevated skin like that so your body doesn't react to it anymore Dude was bites. I don't even react to bullet ant bites anymore. I'm on number 11. What are you talking about? I'm talking about I just got bit by bullet ant as I was trying to go to bed I got up to go to bed. I was like doing something with people I stood up And I know the feeling by now you're just like out there it is again bit me right in the foot.

2:32:38I just wanted to bed No way yeah, they're stopping it's starting to lose its official efficacy on me I didn't know that that was the case because I saw those Rights of passage thing that they do they take these guys the glove and they fill their hand up with bullet ants And they have the bullet ants stuck in the gloves. They can't go anywhere So they just keep fucking you up and it's supposed to be some Thing that they do that is like a religious experience. It's it's a right of passage It's a right of passage. So they'll they'll they'll pair it's kind of like a bonding thing They'll like find a video of that.

2:33:11It's a it's a fucking mad right of passage thing They'll take like a young man do it to him and then they'll have a girl take care of a map Afterwards and it's and it's like sort of trying to encourage them to like pair up. Oh, I know that Steve I did it. I saw a video Still we can't wait to talk to him. I like please stop. Please stop don't let people punch you Please stop don't let this happen just take care of yourself please stop so much. Yeah He's so banged up such a wild man Do you ever seen the one when he was in Africa and he climbed the trees and a lion climbed up the trees with him and pulled his hat off Yeah, those are real lions.

2:33:46He's in a lion line. I always wanted to ask about that because he's in a hammock and they have meat hanging from the hammock And there's lions like biting their asses. Yeah, I don't understand him He looks good. They play keep away with Hyenas so he's got it on he's freaking out Yeah, let me hear some volume What a fucking psycho Wild boys was the show you You can get stung by those things now and I thought it was like my friend Steve got it He said it was like 12 hours of excruciating pain. Yeah, he said he could barely walk. Yeah, my first one was like that My first one was like that. I was like out like your your your lymph nodes swell up You have horrible pain in your body.

2:34:33You have a head one bite one bite to the arm and now you're on purpose Yeah, oh cool because the guys were like yo, what up? They're like you think you tough big guy You could down there. I'm big up here. I'm not big down there. They're like oh, you big guy Does anybody work out you're the only guy who works out in the jungle? You're out there doing chin -eye. What the fuck is this? I mean sure they do because I'm in the sun with my shirt off Doing push -ups setups pull -ups doing my my jungle workout and they're like walking by like what's wrong with gringo? Local, why is he do this crazy fucker?

2:35:03Yeah, but then I go climb the giant trees and I'm like all right listen You know, yeah, you want to come in there like no But they so they said you think you're tough Ah, so they took a bullet ant and and you play bullet ant roulette you just you know So we used to take a bullet ant and I put it on my arm So it starts walking around and then you take your arm and we just mash our forms together and we go like this Oh boy whoever it's things oh boy, it's super fun. It's a great drinking game Super fun dude you mix that with those shots really fun sounds really fun so much so you were wrecked for how long?

2:35:36How about a day and a half? I took it really bad That's not fun. It's like it really bad you and I have a different Understandable fun The excitement of wondering who it's gonna hit is fun. I would rather not know dude. I don't want to know what that feels like See that's my that that's different if it when I see the wet paint sign I go really I don't I go though this paint so many painted it. Oh, respect No, no, no, I never I have to end with the dumbest things too people could be like so how many times did you do it voluntarily? You do that okay, no never more than once and every other time after that was just every other time than that You're doing your life in this morning for plus on the Schmidt citing pain index Sting pain index the highest possible rating And you can just go to sleep after that causes waves of pain for up to 12 hours after a single sting No study for use as in biological insecticides of course it is of course it is paralyzes insects and causes pain in humans Effects voltage gated sodium channels and blocks anaptic transmission in the central nervous system Yo, how many people died from bullet ants?

2:36:42I don't know, but it does feel like something that at the level where you have it as a glove Could kill you. Yeah, like I feel like given given the intensity that my system felt from one Do you think that those people have already been stung a couple times? Yes, those kids have grown up being stung so JJ JJ said he didn't have shoes until he was 13 so he grew up walking through the jungle He said he had his first bullet and sting and he was like two years old. Oh my god, which like as a two -year -old That's like being stung in the face by like a wasp the sizes Imagine what that feels like if you're a baby you saw how much you baby That just fucks you and so so they are experiencing it akin to what you experience now So when they're putting the glove on even though it's horrific and it's getting their whole hand and there's a bunch of Those bullet ants in there they're probably much more custom I think that they have because they've grown up in the jungle They must much more custom, but I mean you're watching Steve O do it like I would think twice before putting my hand in that glove And not having a hospital nearby because I would think that you could go That could be overwhelming to your system.

2:37:49They're very intense. It's not a joke Like I could get bitten by a bullet ant right now and go all right Well, we're gonna do the rest of our day because I feel like it But what you really want to do is just stop living because it's just even today everywhere Even so it's everywhere So is it that you just accept the pain and you understand what it is? You don't freak out Or is it your pain Threshold is it has it lowered? Yeah, because you've done it a bunch of times so your body's immune to it Yes, it has a lower it has a lower to the point that you can make the decision to Like grit and bear it, you know because because at first it's so bad that you walk around going Whoa And you're like wait, okay if I walk I'm in pain if I lay down I'm in more pain if I at least there's nothing you can do Right nothing you can do you just fucked and so now you're different and now I'm like man God damn it and I'm like well, let's go do what we're gonna do anyway So now's it like a wasps thing to a normal person yeah, so now a wasps thing to me like I'll just catch a wasp now Because like I was like you know like I come home and I see people like running from a yellow jacket And I'm like I'll just like grab it with my hand let it stick we were talking about this yesterday I genuinely think that people must feel pain differently and it makes sense that some people just I don't even think it's a tolerance thing I think it feels different I think that's sort of like the same thing with spicy food and there's a bunch of different things like that cold There's things that people can tolerate and it seems like they're not just being tougher now like it's not as hard for them Like there's a you know, maybe their Ancestry evolved around being in pain all the time so you gotta cut some makeup Do my friend know my child to best friend we he always calls me he goes dude you want to go surfing in montac and I go bro.

2:39:31It's February It's fucking February this gonna be ice on the water and he's like yeah, but the swell is awesome Well, we're wetsuits. So one time I tried it with him. I will never do it again So you're your hands in a wetsuit or no? No, your boy booty's boots on but it's so fucking every time a wave washes over you It goes flying down your back of course you're in ice cold water and yes the waves are incredible I don't care and you can't breathe right? I mean it's so it's it's like I mean you do the cold plunge all the time and it's like yeah, but I'm not moving And you're not out there for four hours and you're not sitting on your board I'm not trying to balance my cold ass knees but but so to me I look at Nolan.

2:40:10I go shit either he's way tougher than I am Or he just is predisposed to not really given a shit about cold water I hate cold water. It could be that but it or is it could be you get acclimated you get accustomed as because we were talking about people Yeah, we adjust to our environments. We adjust to all kinds of different things You probably get accustomed to that experience and the rush of riding those waves. Yeah, it's and it's also There's a thing about being a badass putting that wetsuit on it. Well, that's where it gets ocean That's where it gets me where we're gross. No, I'm gonna make myself do it That's where I get myself on it where it's like there is a certain satisfaction to going.

2:40:47Yeah, take it take another frozen wave If you're warm in your house and you're looking outside No way I just ice on the ground and you're looking at your wetsuit and your warm your warm Oh, you're drinking soup. You know you got some chicken noodle soup Oh, you're just so warm and you watch in television. Why would I go to the ocean good and moot nine years? You guys really gonna go Let's not go. You sure you want to go on pussy? We're gonna go and the guy comes back with fucking icicles in his beard and shit Yeah, it's that there's a That we admire those people well you you fucking savage you Would you said you wake up cold and go in your cold plane?

2:41:23That's not that hard. That's terrible It's not that hard to wake up cold and not to any push up or something Yeah, he worked up a sweat first. No, I would say okay fine. I do it sometimes after the sauna But then I always finish on the cold. Yeah, but that feels good I always if I do that I never go Cold sauna heat up and then go outside I go sauna cold sauna always end on cold so you always freeze your dick off at the end. Oh god I just it's not that hard just three minutes if you count slowly to 10 two times. It's three minutes That's what I found So I just count slowly to 10 for three minutes and that's it.

2:42:01I respectfully disagree with you I think this is one of those things where you you have found that this is a way for you to sort of flex For yourself and you've gotten used to it and you've come up with the system. I would never I just there's certain things I just don't want to do. Yeah, it sucks I don't want to do it every day every day. I don't want to do it But I tell myself shut the fuck up pussy pick up the lid. Yes put it down climb in. Yeah, you know you're climbing in stop Set your oh, I do want to say Garmin Your new Phoenix eight watch shuts off when you get in the cold plunge No, yeah, so this is a fiend.

2:42:36I have a phoenix eight and I have a phoenix seven Would they're awesome? I love these things But the phoenix seven I have to wear when I do the cold plunge so if I work out with that one But this one is a better hard sensor. Yeah, this one this one is just better overall The eight but it sucks that if you go in cold water it doesn't even make any sense like yeah How did you go backwards the old one you go into cold water and nothing happens? Underwater operating temperature range zero to four. Yeah, that's not true So Google this phoenix eight shutting off cold plunge Google that Um trust me. I looked it up online.

2:43:12It's not just me Yeah See Watch turns off and reboots in cold water. Yeah, that's what everybody knows is so if I'm in the water for five seconds It shuts off damn yeah, so they're apparently gonna fix that they think it's a hope. It's a software issue Better fix it now, but the crazy thing is they have a dive feature on this watch So if you're swimming and you're diving in your cold water, it's gonna shut off That could mean if you're down there and you're like how much time do I got on this exactly you can't have your watch turn No, right and if you get down to depths and it's below 40 degrees Probably gonna shut off.

2:43:50I don't even know what temperature it shuts off But people have done it in cold water So they've taken a glass of cold water and drop the watch and cold water and it shuts off Not good Garmin It's just not good that you just released this thing and didn't know how did you not check for cold plunge is when you you got a dive function on the watch Interesting. Yeah, so apparently they think they could fix it with software which I hope is true Well that would be good, but the seven works that's what doesn't make any sense I've never had a problem with the seven I put the seven on the sauna. I put it on the cold never have a problem with it Yeah, I'm like that watch cold kryptonite a message board say it's a software issue And you can fix it by putting it in beta if you know how to do that right but beta disables the dive function Yeah, so the beta that they put out it disables the dive function I think there there's some talk of another work around like maybe shutting off the Touch screen that maybe that would help But the problem is it's like you have a watch that everybody's used to cold plunge again They used to jumping in the ocean and they used to doing stuff in and then the new one doesn't let you do it That's you can't release that you got to fix that before you didn't have to sell it yesterday Yeah, I mean it just came out like I think September I took I ordered one it took a while to get there.

2:45:10I was all excited and then first cold plunge I'm like what and the fuck that's a wolf tooth. That's a wolf tooth. Yeah, nice. You gotta forget who gave me that one Yeah, I got a lot of shitty airman from cool stuff that people have given me but You know it's the Having things like that like a watch that does GPS like this watch has maps on it Shows your elevation You can get a lot of information off of these things and you could track way points on them And I always use a thing called on X hunt as well and on X hunt as a software app You download maps for the specific regions and you can hit it a track on there No, it doesn't I bet it can I don't know how to do it.

2:45:50I don't do it on your phone I just do it on my phone. I use this mostly for Elevation you can use GPS on it, but it will drain your battery a lot quicker Because if you don't use the if I don't use the GPS function this thing will go like 30 plus days With without charging without charging. Yeah, and monitoring your heart rate doing all kinds of different shit It's a flashlight. It's built -in A flashlight. Yeah, we got a flashlight built -in It's nice so if you're out in the woods and you don't have a flashlight It's LED flashlight and it lasts for fucking ever because it's LED because it doesn't draw a lot of power These fucking things are incredible, but this new one.

2:46:30Yeah, you guys fucked up But having those things like do you bring an in -reach or anything? Um, well, I mean because we also do tourism we bring you know, we bring out a sat phone But now dude now Starlink right now at my at our base at the tree house and at our research station We have two different star links So we have better internet there than I have in the Hudson Valley in New York Dude, I can't dude. Isn't that incredible? It is it is. It's absolutely incredible. It really is amazing It's amazing how small it is too. You can also take it and put it on a boat. Mm -hmm If you need to so like so I I finally let like Lex broke me down on this I finally started a YouTube channel and it's like I'm gonna start bringing people on all kinds of shit Because now I can just stream it from there right fuck TV crews.

2:47:12You could have it. I'm gonna take people on night walls Your car as you're driving around the jungle. Yeah, well, hopefully there's no roads But I want to take people like I could literally put on your backpack You could put it on my backpack. Yeah, you probably could literally have it flat on the top of your pack Yeah, and walk around at least catch some signal catch some signal or you know for the boat Like if we go look we're gonna be going four hours up river and we know that there's an invasion And we're going with the police to go check out these loggers and there can be some fucking action going down Throw the Starlink on the boat.

2:47:41I could live stream that and take people with me Whoa, yeah, or now So we a few weeks ago. I sent you that picture that huge anaconda. Yeah, one with the blue eyes. Yeah And we've been working slowly on breaking the the the 20 foot mark that one was 19 something And so we've been working more and more on the anaconda project and my guys And you know like when you when you know you have your people with elk hunting where they go dude I saw an elk that like insert people you trust. Mm -hmm my guys they went We found one that's over seven meters and they haven't caught it yet We're talking over 21 feet.

2:48:20So we've broken 19, right? And so we're gonna be going out for that and so that's the type of thing where I'm going Imagine bringing people because I after our first show the comments were hysterical where people go and this guy's full of shit Like absolutely hysterical like people just go about anacondas about everything We talked about oh, that's funny like the internet was just like great show I know I know but all the effort to just go to your page they were like oh this guy really is there some of them We're really funny. I laugh at a lot of the comments They're like oh, I'll take that never fucking happen for 300 Alex like you know, it's like okay great Well people always want to say that people always want to say that but but but now It's like now we can fucking livestream this right and we go jump on a snake with the head this big So we're putting together an expedition to do this now and it's it's uh, it's uh, it's gonna be fun So in these areas that you do that you go to have they ever done any of those LiDAR Explorations of it where they fly drones over to try to map out if there was some ancient structures in these areas Yeah, so we talked to local people and they find the uh, the Terrapraida earth and the and the pottery in the areas that it is So usually the places that it is and we kind of talked about this that grant like you know The Graham Graham Hancock.

2:49:38Yeah, I just want to say Graham walkins um Graham Hancock um I think that on the Amazon proper. I think there was a lot of civilizations out in the tributaries where I am It's very rare to come across those things those ancient civilizations. So those people the uncontacted tribes out in the tributaries They're probably live in the way they've been living for thousands and thousands of years so my book publisher it was so funny Um, um, I got I got kind of like I was writing something and I said something about these Stone Age warriors What this guy must have seen as these Stone Age warriors came and murdered him with arrows and they were like how dare you call them Stone Age warriors And I went what they don't even have stones.

2:50:16So First of all right, they're really stick age that I yeah, did I just get woked for So dumb is Stone Age a bad thing to say but I mean it's not very often that you come into that problem Because we wouldn't call most normal people Stone Age people well the Native Americans were essentially Stone Age He used to see an empire of the summer moon. He goes well these Stone Age warriors were dead and I was like Well, these are pretty much Stone Age people and so I wrote it and I basically got told like hey, don't say that God how weird is that yeah I also lost a book deal because I retweeted that Elon Musk liked our treehouse, but See lost a book deal.

2:50:49Yeah, I had an amazing meeting with like all the people this lady was like You know like the devil wears prod a like marital street like she was like the big headhunter one of the major publishers And they were like dude your next book is gonna kill she had like 20 other people on this zoom call We had like an hour long thing we talked about you She was like and how closer you with Joe Rogan and I was like Like we're bros And then and then they were like well, you know, either way it was going really good not Liberals I was thinking I was gonna get a life changing amount of money I was thinking I was gonna get like a million dollar book deal and that got confirmed through a bunch of avenues That it was a big one and then And and and they were very impressive Lex they love Lex and she was like you have Lex Friedman in the Amazon I said he's right over there.

2:51:36I was like on the phone on Starlink talking to this publisher And she's like so your next book is gonna tell the whole star isn't yeah And then that week Elon tweeted Cool treehouse now when the greatest inventor of your generation tweets on anything that you did you share it So I shared it The publisher got back and went not only are we not even we're just not making an offer anymore They don't like the type of people that I associate with Just you retweeting that you sure it wasn't me No, it was him They vetted you they were like how close are you with him and I was like listen to me that he's the fucking nicest guy in the world I was like you can't I was like and they were like would he write a forward for your book?

2:52:17And I was like I don't I think like I need like a more like a Harrison Ford to do that like I don't know Like joke do it, but I was like I think we need like a last one like They just that that's all they were doing. That's all they were doing both famous people to say you're awesome But but but as soon as Elon's name came into the mess. I didn't know this I was unaware of this that Elon has people that hate him hate him I didn't know that well It's a lot of propaganda that really works and a lot of it is what happened when he took over Twitter So you have to look at it from like what what really happened?

2:52:50Was there real outrage when he took over Twitter? Yes. Yes. There was real outrage I firmly believe there's manufactured outrage that's done In a very directed manner and I think he was most certainly the victim of that as well And then there was a narrative that continued to get pushed like hate speech on x hate speech That he's promoting it. Yes, that anti -Semitism that racism that all this stuff is up Well, if you allow people to just speak freely You're going to have that you're going to have that but you can always like not look at that Yeah, but you're also going to have many more good things too and the point was what he really exposed Was that the FBI was involved in suppressing the hundred Biden laptop story and that these journalists who studied the Twitter files Matt Taiibi and Michael Schellenberger and Barry Weiss and all these different people that went over these Documents found that hey, there's something very inappropriate happening where the government is getting these social media companies to take down true stories And to sign off and say that it's Russian disinformation and Elon confirmed this and Elon confirmed this So that's when he became very dangerous to them And so then the narrative of Elon being a white supremacist and Elon being you know But then the thing that happens also is he will tweet wacky shit And then he will retweet wacky shit that turns out to not be true And all that they attack and it builds up and you get a Distorted perception of his value in our culture and our society And he's one of the greatest inventors the world's ever known one of the greatest Engineers we have alive And he's involved in multiple different industries and he's changing those multiple industries in And incredible ways what they've done with space travel with space X with these fucking rockets can land now What they've done with these starlink things that we were talking about Waynable that he if it wasn't for Tesla and electric cars Do you really think there'd be as many electric cars there are today wouldn't even be close you wouldn't have Governor Newsom saying that California has to be all electric by 2035 because no one would be making electric fucking cars like that There's a documentary from Early 2000s.

2:55:09It's called who killed the electric car. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that in college Fascinating wants some property. Yeah fascinating documentary And if it wasn't for Elon and making Tesla's awesome You wouldn't have all these fucking electric car companies and he makes everything open source Okay, and that's all fine But my problem is people that take the guy who's trying to save the butterflies in the monkeys And kick me out for that for naughty. I never even met the guy dude It's a kin to be a Nazi. So I have to pretend than not like him right To align with their world view. It's what I was talking about with Hollywood when I was talking about how people start making money And they start like being very careful about what they say because they're worried about it's gonna go away You also realize there are consequences like what you experience.

2:55:53So those are real fine. That's my first time So that's it. Yeah, and so minor right? So that is how you get people to stay in line That's how you get people to only think the way they think and then you start reinforcing it in yourself And you start wearing pearls and doing all kinds of wacky shit because you want them to like you You want to think they're one you're one of them Now that that was really creepy because you know, I mean I live in the jungle But like I hear about all this stuff But I don't know like who the players are right what the temperature is in the room and so you thought it was cool The guy said you have a cool tree house is like one of the coolest guys ever if this guy goes to fucking Mars A historically relevant inventor said something.

2:56:29I did was cool great You share it, you know and it cost you a million bucks. Yeah This is the world we're living in that that's why and it's primary Primarily the left that's that wacky like if Bernie Sanders had said cool tree house and you Would have been fine everybody would have loved you you would have been fine and the right wouldn't have attacked you No, they wouldn't have cared they wouldn't have upset you wouldn't have lost businesses like no one from the right would have like Not given you a book deal because you Subburning said nice tree house and you're like thanks cool. No, and it could it no one would care It could have been Obama.

2:57:09It could have been anything. I mean that by the way, right so super cool I loved it you you my friend sent me my friend Connor sent me a clip where you were telling one of your guests about me And so I shared it But it was like the first time that I shared a clip where it was like really just you talking on my Instagram and the comments were Berserk I don't realize you were such a polarizing person Joe It's the same thing. It's the same thing. It's a distorted perception of who you are by people that have very low level information They have surface information and they've decided that you're an alt -right this or there's been many many articles written about me being like some fringe right -wing person which I'm not not all so but if they say it enough times The people that have a low information they believe it well But this is where this is where I'm interested in when you say like okay, and this is like The shit that's going on in Israel the hysteria that everyone's feeling you're either a good guy or a bad guy Elon's good if you like Elon you're a bad I just want to see everybody start to calm down.

2:58:08I just want to see the adults be running the room again I think I think that no no no no pre -night allowed. I'm sorry when I was a kid and let's just like go back to like I was in eighth grade and 9 -11 somehow back then it seems like I know there's still corruption and there's a lot of fuckery going around on but Somehow things have gotten more off the rails with this this stuff where it's like, you know Remember the the the Obama Romney debate where they're like, yo, man. What's up? No, they're like we disagree, but we agree like we're both gentlemen here like come on Yeah, and so like I think I think that what I've seen in the last few Months or in the last year was that is that a lot of people again I'm really speaking from my perspective here And I'm just kind of hoping that this is the case for the rest of the world that people are chilling the fuck out And some people are waking up and realizing how stupid it is and how most of the problems that we have are bullshit Yeah, in terms of problems we have with each other But then the next thing is then then we can actually start focusing on if we're not hysterical and we're not doing all this crazy shit Then we can actually start focusing on okay, well look how do we Fix things in the Congo?

2:59:13How do we fix things in the Africa? How do we in in the Amazon? Like how do we pragmatically Fix things so that the American food system is better and everyone benefits and stop fucking arguing over it Yeah, and to realize that this is not a right wing or a left wing issue That's human health issue a very unhealthy way to argue and also like real charitable Organizations like real ones like what you're doing like it's actually helping things. It's actually designed to help It's not designed as some sort of a front to make to cover money and as a tax shelter It's you know, there's a lot of philanthropy that's good.

2:59:50Yeah, a lot of it Yes, but then there's also a lot of philanthropy. That's not really philanthropy. It's like Posturing it's money sure. It's you're making money with this philanthropy. You've got Well, that's a thing. Well, that's the thing. So now that I happen in GO I we went and looked up all the other NGOs and like a lot of the NGOs Their CEOs are making five hundred thousand dollars a year like like big paychecks So and that's where I do think it's um, you know gets weird It gets really weird, but I think also that what I told the first story I told you about like when how we we save the ancient forest It's like I think what we've done that's very exciting that we're feeling this swell We're kind of rewriting this wave right now is because The the guy with four kids or you know, we had classically I had this mom in Ohio message me and she was like I have two kids I show them your Instagram.

3:00:39I love what we do we give you five dollars a month and it's like Five dollars a month from enough people and we save the whole fucking Amazon Yeah, not to mention that then people like dachshda Silva from lightspeed reach out and he's like look man I won capitalism. I'm gonna fund your whole range of team and it's like people are reaching out That's amazing and so we and so I'm surrounded by all these incredible people that That want to do good. I got approached by those dudes at be uh Vivo barefoot shout out to Vivo barefoot David griffs to I'll use their stuff all the time. So they they're my first sponsor.

3:01:08They reached they reached out to me and great shit The the well I also I hate hiking boots right those barefoot hiking boots are legit the ones they make Well, I like theirs. I hate hiking boots that are restrictive so they reached out and this is the cool thing They went you know, are you interested it what but but it was like only if you check out They were like are you good are you sustainable are you this and I was like I run a fucking rainforest organization And they were like because and these guys care so much About their shoe and about how people wear it and about where it's used in the materials and I just read um Evanchionards book uh let my people go surfing of the guy who started Patagonia Dude he I mean he just worships rivers and mountains and and and they started making this stuff I just I just think I just think we're on this cusp of that we still can save a lot of the endangered species I mean I'm I'm living miracles every day.

3:02:01I'm like I'm like watching us Draw in this map of protecting the Amazon and when you're one third you're like we're gonna do it And so it's like I just I just think that that as people I I got really scared when I got Boked that Elon Musk thing was so weird. I was like we all got it Got right in the face and it's such a innocuous thing you did it's so funny But that's like wrong thing wrong speak You're not allowed to like this guy. Well, that's the thing. Who might allow to like that's it doesn't none of it makes any sense It doesn't make any sense. It's like I stand the jungle man. Just people are just so polarized And it's also you often have to realize that the pressure That they're under is not from that many people.

3:02:40It's like the commenters on Instagram. Unfortunately the reality is most people Comment on things all the time or morons and they're not happy They're unhappy morons. Yeah, so it's a bad sample group, right? So you're getting a lot of people that are making comments but people If they're commenting they come I would like to know like what percentage of comments and just overall if the internet if any Reserved on this analysis are positive versus negative I would have to say it's probably at least 5050 Yeah, I would say it's 50 50 again. I think I'm jaded though because when I look at like I look at If I look at the YouTube comments on a Lex podcast All the comments are like thank you Lex for having this important conversation with some amazing Lexus fans Lexus fans are great.

3:03:24Yeah Every I mean every I don't know a lot of the support that I get online I've very people tell me I look like the lead singer of system of a down other than that there's nothing they Little bit Middle East not bad. Hey man. So I've taken a fucking hero. He's a dope dude. I love that guy Yeah, he's awesome. I listen to his music every day if you're Yeah, if you're getting compared that's a good guy to get compared to but this this polarization is just like There's a bunch of people that feed into it and they attack people because they know that the people that are on their side are like Yeah, you're one of the good guys And so there's that weird shit where you got a lot of really weak people and mentally ill people that like attacking people And that's a lot of what it is.

3:04:02It's a lot of people that lack new wants and understanding But don't you think it's coming back? Don't you think we hit a peak and yeah starting to come back Yeah, because those people are kind of being exposed for what they really are they're very damaged human beings like sure People that attack people all the time. They're all fucked up all of them 100 % because why would you you only have so much energy in your day Why why are you spending it getting mad at some guy because he retweeted the greatest genius of our generation said nice treehouse That's fucking ridiculous. It's a ridiculous thing to get angry about I'll tell you one of the conversations I heard recently was this is like such a simple point But someone I know was going you know how and I forgive me.

3:04:42I don't understand these issues He was going how dare they make a mandatory minimum wage they were gonna breathe the minimum wage or whatever So I was watching two people and one of those passionately going off about this and he was I think a Republican My other friend was sitting there And it was such a great thing that he did he went that is he goes I 100 % disagree with you He goes but could you explain to me why you think what you think and they had this amazing conversation where they just Debated yeah, that's great and it was with respect and I was like oh fuck cool I watched it like it was a podcast because I don't know who I don't know any of this shit anyway So I was just like I don't know it's a complicated issue That's about restaurants and places that operate at the margins.

3:05:19They're very close to going under all the time and you can get Cheaps Unskilled labor from like young kids and high school students and people getting first jobs And that's how they operate and when you say no, you have to pay a living wage to everybody who works They're like okay now. This is all a lot less money as a business owner. Yeah. Yeah I mean, but the point was though that that they were able to completely disagree and go completely fucking disagree with you No, it's fine. It's great when people can do that. I love that When people don't attach themselves to the ideas. That's the problem is almost every man that I know Has a hard time women do it too, but for men.

3:05:58It's like a dick swinging thing where they have a hard time Not being attached to an idea like if they have a spoused an idea They believe an idea and they're arguing that idea that idea is a part of them Yeah, and they'll even lie and and fuck around with things and like half truths to try to make their point make a little You know, they'll do bad faith arguments You see it on podcasts all the time when people make bad faith arguments about political issues You're like oh god now. I'm never gonna listen to you again Like because I know you do this thing That's a gross thing that you don't have to do anymore because we live in the internet now Like you don't have to do that gross thing you do where you pretend you're right about something so that you can win this argument That's a stupid person's way of talking if you're if you're if you're debating honestly You you could in many situations be happy to be proven wrong.

3:06:46Yeah, you should friends if I say there's absolutely no way You can lift that fucking thing and you do it. I'm like I was wrong. Yeah, you don't even like I'm stoked You just did that well also. It's like like you're not your ideas. I say this all the time But it's a really important thing for people to recognize and to people have it in your head You are not your ideas. You are you and these ideas they come and they go and you agree with them or you disagree with them And sometimes you can agree with an idea and then a few years later You can have some life experiences or talk to some people that are make you look at things differently and you go You know what I used to think this but I don't think this anymore and here's why yeah, and you have to be Very cognizant that your ideas can capture you and then you can be like so many people are captured by The way they want people to think of them.

3:07:31This is a very Hollywood thing They want people to think of them in a very specific way So they'll say the things that they've heard other people say who are accepted and they'll talk in a certain way You know you get let that's where you get accents from that's also where you get uptalk You know what uptalk is? So when you do this thing and so when we build these infrastructures What we're trying to do so someone talked like that and a group of people talked like that and to get In with that group you had to kind of talk like that. So you let them oh Paul is a really good guy So what Paul is doing is quite amazing Paul goes to the Amazon and he's in the rainforest You know, so they're talking to Valley girl, but this is a thing that they do to let everyone know that they're on the team It's a very tribal thing It's it's almost like another language and these tribal things that we do we're we're we attach them to everything We attach them to religion we attach them to technology even health we attach them to ideologies and if you don't If I can't trust you if you're retweet needle on must don't you know he's the devil you know if you're you're hanging out with Joe Rogan Oh my god, he's a piece of shit like these people have these like little Religious ideas in their head that you can't eat pork you can't violate this it's Sunday mother fucker Why the lights on they have these weird laws yeah in their head they attach them to everything man People have like a place in their mind for religion and if you do not have religion in your life You will take social issues and you will treat them with the same fervor the same fucking fever pitch that people treat Religion that people who are you know evangelical Christians the people who are you know fucking snake handlers Yeah, you'll you'll do that with your thing and if your thing is trans kids or whatever your fucking thing is no oil now Whatever your fucking thing is it becomes a religion because you don't have religion and the human mind is set up in a way That you need some sort of divine structure.

3:09:31You need something that's bigger than logic bigger than all of us and people apply Those things wherever they see fit you can join a cult and that's a whole different thing Oh, we're different we do yoga and this is our life I'm fucking yeah, well fuck each other. I mean but but then there's casualties like then Kevin Hart doesn't get to do the fucking Oscars Yeah, but Kevin Hart shouldn't do the Oscars fuck the Oscars So you didn't want it to do these things are gross and what they are is you're having a contest for art and I think that's gross I get it that it helps your movie sell and if it's an Oscar Academy Award winner and I get the people celebrated for great work I get all that it's awesome.

3:10:10Yeah, I get it to sell but what it's also gross You know and when it was revealed to be gross when Chris rock was on stage and will Smith slap them and then a few minutes later Will Smith wins an Academy Award and they give him a standing ovation after you just assaulted again It just shows you there's no ethical moral structure to the way these people are living their lives They're living their what live by the whim of what the crowd agrees with but that's also like group hypnosis Yes, like if you if if that happened In any other situation like everyone was just like we don't really know what to do You know like you just keep going.

3:10:46Well, it's also their freedom being racist So they don't want us to two black eyes are duking it out. I can't get involved in this. I does not my thing I don't know what to do. I'm gay and like There's this sitting there watching this take place and then they're clapping for him and standing up when he wins the Academy Award And so the rest of the world unbeknownst to them had already cast their judgment Yeah, the rest of the world's like are you out of your fucking mind? Yeah, this is insane And so they're like oh my god the rest of the world take me right over a fucking mind because you are out of your fucking mind You guys are all in a cult like no, but this is what I mean about it.

3:11:17Tell us like nobody else walked on stage And just went all right everybody we're taking five minutes out right you get the fuck over in the corner right you stop Are you okay? Okay, great? There's no one gonna commercial grabbed him immediately and scored him out of the building everyone Just awkwardly continued on with the night. It was not and he awkwardly continued on with his set You did it great Not really no no no no Chris rock right after that. He was all fucked up like his jokes that he they were flat Everybody was like you just got slapped like this is crazy, but that I don't think that was his fault I think that was because what's cut totally not his fault.

3:11:49He just got slapped. I thought I thought he did an incredibly Classy job of just being like well. I'm gonna do the best I can and do my job as a professional He did that but he went back on with the script was just insane But the good thing about that is then Chris rock really became Chris rock again. Yeah, he didn't give a fuck anymore He's like what you said TV I'm going on. Yeah, so he became like Chris rock from bring the pain again But I think what kept him from doing that in the past was that he was in the club He's in the club. He's hosting the Oscars doing these big movies. You gotta be in the club You gotta be safe can't be retweet and Elon Musk.

3:12:25You gotta start learning the rules. You gotta learn the rules Where I gotta cool you would know the answer to this question. So there was there was a Yeah, again, I miss all these things. Didn't somebody rush shappelle on stage and I took him out Yeah, tell me of my memories accurate because I saw a video I don't remember who tackled the guy or whatever else, but did they like Did his located his arm? Oh, they beat the fuck out. They beat the fuck out. Yeah, yeah once they got him They beat the fuck out. I'm sure they broke his arm pretty sure I'm pretty sure he's had multiple injuries. I'm pretty sure a knife I mean, he was a crazy homeless person terrible Laps and security who are the security guys are they got fired?

3:13:00Yeah Um, and it was the whole thing was a fucking mess. You got ran on the stage. I sometimes I do this thing where I don't believe my own memory Like I'll see something amazing. I don't want to yeah He's on it's out of the fucking shit They probably come over to him. It's not look at his face. He looks like he went through a whole five round fight They beat the shit out. He's like he's alive, you know, I mean you go after shappelle with a knife Fuck man, you know, I mean you didn't have the knife in his hand, but he had a knife on him Like some big fucking Dude, that's also terrifying. Press knuckles looking.

3:13:31Thanks terrifying. Yeah, it's terrifying It's it's terrifying that there's people that are so out of their fucking mind That and it's again the same kind of thing. He's transphobic. He's transphobic. You jokes are transphobia But words are violent. No, that's not that's fine. Dave should pal listen It's but that's how nuts we are. That's how nuts we are that a guy can't listen to a special Right, they didn't listen. They don't care. That's the thing. No one's listening. They're not listening to me They're not listening to Elon. They're not listening. Yeah, they just they have these things and they're just like religious dogma And they lock down on those things and Dave should pal's a chance.

3:14:05But we got to take about Dave should pal's a living saint. Yeah, it's from a beautiful person. It's untouchable. Amazing person But he makes jokes about things that are real in our culture And that's a real thing in our culture And if you say there's a thing that you can't make fun of that thing's bullshit If there's everything that you can't make fun of that thing is bullshit Dude, yeah I had to do I was taking care of somebody actually I wanted to tell you this I was taking care of somebody that had life saving surgery and I was helping them recuperate And so I was just staying with them and then it was like, you know, you have a brush with death You have you see your mortality things are down whatever else and We're like caught our breath I was like let me just do something And I put on a clip of you and it was it was it was a you were telling the story about like a hotel and you You was it was you sagura and chappelle, but anyway We're watching you guys Do various bits of comedy on YouTube and I made this person you guys made this person laugh so hard We just stop watching it because they were gonna breath bust a stitch It was like the best medicine you've ever seen and it was um it was you were telling a fucking crazy story about But waking up in a hotel and everyone's cramming down the exit.

3:15:14Yeah, the hotel was on fire Yeah, that was great. And then it was sagura doing um when Disabilities are funny He Goes he goes not all disabilities funny goes with sometimes they're funny and he does like a 10 -minute piece on that and we're just trirying and it was just such a great Transmission of just comedy just being the thing is comedy is comedy and to try to say it's normal speech is ridiculous Because it's not your opinions. It's things that are funny about these things like when someone's saying something about anything That's inappropriate you should never say that that's Louis CK's whole act is saying the wrong thing You're not supposed to say that so he's gonna say it and it's hilarious But it's also really well written and funny This is not like if you sat him down and asked him his opinion on people and life You give you a different version.

3:16:07Sure. This is just an art form It's just like a movie like you go to a quentin teratino movie. None of those people really died Okay, this is just art It's just like something's creating something but that and that's the sense where I feel like it's coming back Because like look at the shit that she pells pull in yeah look at the shit that you're pulling like people are saying stuff again Well people are realizing that you don't have to give into this is it's a small very vocal minority of people But most people are tired of it most people miss old you don't get a good comedy movie anymore You don't get super bad anymore they can't make that movie anymore.

3:16:39Matt like the tropic thunder you can't make that movie You can't make that but I asked Robert Denny Jr. He goes oh you could you can't I mean we fucked ourselves we fucked ourselves by listening to these mental patients I think they're all I think some of it's gonna come back because I think it's gonna cut now It's gonna I'm usually right it'll swing back you look at movies from the 70s. They're fucking brutal. Oh, yeah Everything now is so sanitized and like you don't like but I still Tarantino though. He's sort of the only one He's sort of like grandfathered in the last time that I saw seen in a movie that that made me really cringe was in bastards when when the The bear Jew comes out of the cave and the guy is the Nazi soldiers.

3:17:22He's he's on his knees and you're so used to that they cut On impact mm -hmm he comes out and he fucking takes that swing and they don't cut I don't know how they film that shit movie magic, but You you go oh god, yeah Brad Pitt sitting there chewing on a piece of bread and like clapping You're like eating while the sky gets beaten to death and but like I remember being like oh Because usually you watch John Wick you watch whatever the fuck you watch a thousand people die on screen It doesn't matter but every now and then they make it so real yeah those 70s movies back in the day. Oh, yeah Because all the shit was real.

3:17:55Oh, yeah car chases were real. Yeah, man And now I watch movies and I'm like dude come You remember bullet though like 10 minutes the McQueen car chase the McQueen yeah Just motor streets of San Francisco Crazy Dude Mustang and a fucking charger. There's a movie with Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin where Anthony Hopkins has to fight a bear. I think the whole movie is about that funny dude They actually they used Bart the bear from legends of the fall and whatever else but It is the most you watch it you will be Blown out of your seat because Anthony Hopkins is 10 feet from a fucking grizzly bear And then the tree you can tell where they swap it if you watch it really close So you could tell where they swap them out and the trainer gets like hit with a paw But this guy is wrestling with his pet bear yo seriously look at this look at this Look at that fucking bear Look at look at fucking Anthony Hopkins the best how does he live this how's that even possible because they just tear your butt Look at his face Just trust me just Jamie go Go to like halfway way this is so ridiculous that bears like barely jazzing them go like halfway down this video Oh, he's get the fire out.

3:19:12I don't need to see this. I'm gonna have a different opinion of it No, no, no, no, no, no, that's not the clip. There's a clip. You see the revenant Yeah, piss me off cartoon bear CGI bear and I love Tom Hardy and I love the caprio, but that come on. Let's see. GI bear didn't get you know That's based on a real story. Yeah. Yeah, that's based on a guy really did get more like he crawled like 20 miles My main takeaway from that movie is a lot of cold water Cold water. I just watched every time he fucking crawled in a cold cold stream. I was just like you know that Incident didn't really take place in that environment though The the actual incident took place on the planes it wasn't the same environment as uh, they just put it up there They put him in I think they filmed it See if they filmed the revenant in BC.

3:19:58I think they filmed it in the like the rainforest of BC You know BC is a lot like Seattle forest Well, I think they filmed it in like a dense forested area And I don't think the real incident took place in any sort of environment like that I remember being like positive of that winter deciduous forest, but not really Well, scenes were filmed in Montana, but the wiki says it was takes takes place in the great planes right So but where did they film all the forest scenes? I think it was Canada I think it's BC because it just is way more dense than the great planes. It's not what the great it's not what they experience So we could with this guy crawled.

3:20:36It's like he's crawling across the fucking planes Like this guy got torn apart by a bear and crawl and actually Initial plans were to film the final scenes in Canada although the weather was ultimately too warm So they had to go to Argentina where there was snow around to shoot the ending Argentina that's the ending what about the other stuff in the woods like when they get attacked by the Native Americans I thought that was in BC either way whatever it is is like very dense forest, which is not with the not historically accurate You got to do a little bit of that do you It's about the planes It's true.

3:21:11Then there be no trees like trees are central in that movie like the the the start Just kind of bullshit like isn't there way to well then every movie's bullshit Alberta. Yeah, there goes. Okay I mean even you know, Alberta's crazy thick. I mean every movie then that you like you know like every like historical movie You go how much of it is true. Oh, yeah, like I just watched you know Ford versus Ferrari and I was like how much of this is true and they're like none of it Did any of this really happen no? Okay, so the the can Cana Nazcus country country and the spectacular scenery of Bo Valley in the Canadian Rockies west of Calgary Alberta fucking beautiful up there man Yeah, so that's not like the real environment where that really went down but all yeah I guess they'd have a different feel if they were out on the planes and it was yeah And they got attacked by the planes Indians and you know and that guy got fucked up by that bear out there There's there was bears out there dude.

3:22:09That's what's nuts like we killed him off Like California has a bear and it's it's state flag. It's a big old brown bear. You used to be brown bears Oh, yeah, oh yeah, they they fucking killed all of them Like get the fuck out of here. They know they know what year the last Brown bear was killed in California and they know in the last black bear was killed in Manhattan That's not think about it. A black bear man hat. What was that when they bought it for like $15 And it was just it was just a fucking right young. There's a town named after the guy who was the last guy to get killed by a brown bear in California It's called Leveque nice.

3:22:41I think his name was Stephen Leveque And he got the last guy got killed by a brown bear. I like that's it. We're done kill them all. Did you ever see that? Do you see the video where the guy where the bear takes the guy's face off and he's still talking? Okay, yeah, I did. Yeah, that's yeah, yeah, you got his face And they stitched it back together again. You didn't do a bad job not bad not bad because that video That was again one of those times where I'm an adult and I'm I'm not okay That was like early days of internet gross shit. That was like e -bombs world time where you can see Everything it was the early day.

3:23:15I was just trying to explain this to my mom Like when they were doing the journalists beheadings you could see it. Yeah, if I tried now I don't know I wouldn't even know where to go read it Really? Yeah, 4chan. I don't think I've ever been on reddit. You should go. Yeah, yeah Just to know these people like that out there. This is search and become like much more Reddit red is very left -wing and reddit has become very censored like things get pulled down off a reddit Is there any more chat is still buck wild? 4chan 4chan 4chan is where like um all that Q and on craziness came from There's a lot of nutty people out there That's where the political frogs those frogs peppy the frog that they use for memes It's all like internet culture ship posters.

3:23:58Yeah people that are anonymously posting so they can just say the wildest things And there's no censorship. Yeah, but I'm saying is it but what I want is fine I want the gods Google. I want that thing where you go. I want to see people eating you know who got eaten by a bear And I like or you know how in the grizzly man they don't show you they don't show you the footage or the play of the audio like I want that like if I want to see it. I want to be able to see it I think we're in her zog destroyed that audio which is unfortunate. Yeah, but I also you know his mind was like It's kind of funny right because His mind was like this is be like it'd be too damaging.

3:24:32It's too bad for you don't want to hear it You don't want other people to hear it. I wouldn't want people to hear me screaming and agony as I die Right, but your whole film Yes, I was blue balls. Yeah stupid. It is that this guy lives in the grizzly maze In the in a tent Surrounded by bears, then it's inevitable that one of them is gonna eat him So they kind of be like a comedic punchline to hearing him go Bro the movie's a comedy. It is a comedy. It is a comedy. It is it is when he's like bad bear And he like touches it and the bear turns around and it's like what the fuck did you just do the whole thing?

3:25:04It's he was so nutty and he was such a great. He was nuts He was Tiger King times a hundred But he also there's like a moment where he transcends and he's like in the grass And there's a fox on his tent and you're like dude. This is kind of cool. Yeah, that was the fox relationship The fox was cool, but the bear stuff foxes come your friends, which is weird Yeah, foxes are cool. Yeah, like you can just you don't even have to have lived there a long time You just hang out with them long enough. They'll hang out with you Well, I found a fox then a few years ago And so there's all these the mom was out and there's all these foxes baby foxes Pups sitting outside the the hole.

3:25:38So I would creep up on them I'd get into position and I'd watch them come out and they are the cutest little things in the world Yeah, and they're all just standing around And I was like I want to raise a fox so bad the people have done it. I know they have pet foxes Oh, I know I wanted to do it so bad to go to the jungle in like a week But I was like man if I wasn't going to do it You would have to feed those little fuckers and they want to kill things all the time Like if you like having a really wild dog Yeah, I would be like having a coyote for a pet. Yeah, I would imagine I need to but they're really clever They're really clever.

3:26:10They're really smiley beautiful Yeah, I don't and coyotes. I don't even need to have coyotes as pets. They're like behind in the Hudson Valley Oh, yeah, they're all over the place everywhere. Yeah, they're everywhere. They're in Manhattan I don't believe that it's 100 % true really yeah Yeah, in Central Park in Central Park multiple coyote silings. They've had them in the Bronx Got a fight coyotes are in every city in North America At least in the US it's a huge testament to how stealthy an animal can be. Oh, yeah, man because they live look at that Stop it. It's Central Park. Yeah Yeah, man, they're all over their country.

3:26:48They're all over the country and that's basically in the last hundred years I think less than that. I think is like from the 1950s on they've spread across the entire country um There's a great book called coyote America. I got it's on my list. I'm dying around dying to book coyotes been seen in Central Park in other parts of New York City since the 1930s Yeah, the number of sightings has increased in recent years especially in 2019. Yeah Incredibly adaptive. I mean, that's just unbelievable. They're the craziest they they adapt and they expand the range So whenever you kill one the females have more pups and expand the range dude.

3:27:24That's why they're everywhere now Um, I in the jungle. I was working with this British filmmaker and he came out of the jungle one day And his face was white and he goes I saw something and I was like if you say big foot I mean, he said he goes he goes He goes no, I saw he goes meant he goes met he saw a white tail deer and I went You didn't see a white tail deer we have red rocket deer gray rocket deer You didn't see a white tail deer and I started really hammering on him. I was like bro. You've been out here too long and Long story short There is a vestigial population of white tail deer that inhabit the western Amazon.

3:27:57What so he thought he was insane They come in from the Andes and they're they have like an island population down in the lowland jungle He happened to see and this is like a guy that you know he's not bullshitting. Whoa. He was physically You know, it's like you saw a giraffe. That's ridiculous. That'd be that freaked out Uh, I think just because it didn't belong there. He was a real wildlife guy. I mean if I saw you know A leopard in New Jersey. I'd be like well fuck Either I'm cracking up or something. You know as far as I know this doesn't go here right, you know, right? So he came back and he was like I I don't know what to do He's like I saw something and I was like well, just you get a shot of it And he was like no, I put my camera up and it ran and he was like but I swear to God and I was like no I didn't see anything.

3:28:41He saw a white tail deer. That's crazy. Have you seen the jag war sightings in Arizona? I did I saw the camera. I thought that is super cool. That is super cool We're doing something with uh, these new EDNA packages where they we can take water samples And it tests for all the different DNA in the water. Oh, so all the different animals that are drinking Bigfoot's either about to get found or go extinct. He's gonna go extinct. Yeah, I know Do you think they could find the giant sloth with that? So that's an interesting only That in the thylacene of the only cryptids that I'll entertain conversations about I Entertained the the sloth one because there's so many of these people and these deep dense jungles in the Amazon That's claim that they've seen them.

3:29:24Yeah, I'll tell you something offline about that I have a theory about Can we end this box? I just I just there's gotta be there's there's places people keep going we've we've explored the whole world Just like people don't realize and I'm telling you after coming off of these expeditions where we travel for an entire week Byland to get because you get on a plane go to get on a plane and be in Barcelona in a few hours, right? It's such a mind -fuck it doesn't make any sense Whereas when you start walking or you start paddling You go this planet is huge huge and we deceive ourselves into thinking like oh, yeah, we figured it out But if you fly and assess not over the Amazon and you look at a Winding little golden river and you're looking out over a vast picture of football fields with this tiny little golden filament Going through it and the next one of those golden rivers which by the way that river is like a hundred meters across this giant water Artory that's been flowing through the jungle the next one as you're in this sess now looking out over the jungle The next one is barely in your peripheral vision over there So you're talking about like 110 miles that way as the next dense dense jungle dense jungle no trails not even the tribes Nothing no one there.

3:30:37Who the fuck is explored that they don't know what's under there No one's explored that not to mention 50 % of the life in the rainforest you forget it's a 3d environment when you're on the plains The animals are at eye level. We're in the rainforest you're under 160 feet of canopy So it's like being at the bottom of the ocean and we don't have access Who can climb 160 foot tree that goes straight up like the World Trade Center? Pretty much no one you're only going to see the tree tops if you do and you're only going to see the tree tops So scientists have had very limited access to the rainforest canopy where 50 % of the life in the rainforest is So so much of the planet has not been described or studied and it's so funny when I watch people go Yeah, everything's been explored that it's like bro I could take you somewhere right now and show you the places where no one's been and they haven't flown over with light Are yet and there are things that we don't know there's like a lot of stuff that we don't know about and I've seen Because I've seen it with my own.

3:31:32I don't believe shit That's why I have to touch the wet paint because I don't believe shit unless I've seen it myself hahaha We'll listen brother. I'm glad you're out there you makes like more interesting try I appreciate everything you do and I appreciate you and thank you for coming in here It's a lot of fun tell everybody how they can get a hold of you and how they can see what you're up to absolutely Um jungle keepers is growing we're protecting more rainforest than ever jungle keepers .org We are bringing people to the rainforest. We're supporting the indigenous conservation efforts We're crossing a hundred thousand acres the more people that come in and help We can actually find a way to protect the Amazon rainforest and stop feeling guilty about it I'm also Jamie if you just last thing pull up that rhino transport picture I'm taking people out into Africa with the experts but that place Buffalo Cloof and people can actually come with me To do some incredible front lines on the ground work with endangered rhinos in Africa like this type of shit Absolutely the people who are holding back the extinction of these animals who are doing kunagage Research and work protecting these amazing animals John Keepers .org Polarosly .com Instagram all out of the shit and We're doing some truly miraculous stuff and a lot of it has to do Joe with the fact that We came in and told everybody about it, so my pleasure Wild out there You