#2210 - Calley Means & Casey Means, MD

0:03The Joe Rogan Experience Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast my night all day What's up nice to meet you guys Great to be with you. Thanks for coming here I'm all happy but this is not a happy subject I don't know probably that way to start off a podcast of how fucked we are But I really appreciate what you guys have been doing And I think I first saw you on Tucker and the details of all the stuff you guys have exposed It's not I mean it's shocking but it's not surprising It's really crazy so can we get into this like used to be on the dark side Let's start with you Tell everybody your background like how you got started with this We were born and raised in Washington DC And I thought being a good young conservative was supporting the farm industry Supporting the food industry defending those industries So it went to Stanford with KC She studied biology I studied political science economics and went on campaigns But then was a lobbyist.

1:04Everyone bipartisan in DC Goes to work for the food in the farm industry And on one morning I'm working with the farm industry To literally steer money to the dean of Stanford med school Who's a pain specialist to be put on an NIH panel to say that opioids in 2011 That the issues around addiction were overblown And we actually helped engineer in an NIH panel to issue a report To say opioid decay, pain is a crisis And then later in the afternoon working for food companies, working for Coke Steering money to institutions of trust, steering money to the NAACP To say that taking Coke off food stamps was racist Coke sold it today to this day as the number one item on food stamps What I realized fundamentally is that we are profiting The biggest industries, the biggest spenders in the country are profiting from kids particularly getting addicted sick and fear And then drugging them and profiting from that What is the conversation like when you guys are formulating a strategy to try to pretend that opioids aren't a problem?

2:06Like what are the conversations like? This is really important for people to understand the institutional -designed system which was greatly impacted by KC's awakening Is that it takes good people and gives them plausible deniability Nobody's in those back rooms conspiring and trying to be an evil person They're literally talking to these junior staffers like me about the scourge of pain And how we have to get this innovation of opioids to the American people Now it's about obesity and trying to get ozemic to 60 -year -olds which is now the standard of care In the rooms it's about doing what's right and getting this innovation to the American people And everyone can kind of fool themselves With the food it's about getting sheep calories to kids You know it's not we're going to buy off and weaponize these academic research institutions Like Harvard, Isaiah Sugar doesn't cause obesity And then pay the NAACP to say lower income people need to be getting their government subsidized coke It's that we're promoting choice And I really did believe that and people believed that I think there's pings that's coming through in so many ways Of people realizing this really isn't going the right direction I think you see it with suicide rate among doctors The burnout rate among doctors, the fact that every friend I have from Harvard Business School Who went into the farm industry, who went into the food industry There's chronic rates of depression among elite business people I think people are starting to realize this but still in these rooms It's about doing the right thing, you convince yourself of that Wow, so it's just everyone sort of captured by this thing and nobody steps out of the lines I mean the highest level Joe, you know, I think we don't realize That there's a defining existential issue in our country Where our major institutions have been captured I think there's like pings of consciousness trying to alert us to this Like, you know, you having people on that are calling this stuff out Trying to ring the alarm bell and people flocking to this show You know, I kind of class from the military industrial complex From the healthcare industrial complex I think Elon being the richest person in the world trying to sell us something It's like, let's get resources to these people calling these things out I think it's like Donald Trump, like I've been thinking about this a lot Why is he the defining figure of our lifetime?

4:15Like, why have voters again and again and again gone to him and said You know, this MAGA movement, like, why are we supporting this person Making him the defining person of our generation? What is he representing? He represents like putting finger on something that's just not quite right with institutions And I think the problem is we can't quite wrap our hand head around how bad it is And how so many people are complicit But there's all these signs right now and I think I think we're going to be brought to our knees If we don't realize this that our institutions have been captured Like to me, healthcare, what Casey talks about It's a really visceral example of something just not right with what's happening to food, what's happening to our kids' health And I think it's happening to the military too Or the military industrial complex, like I'm truly worried that we're on the verge of almost a societal level collapse With what's happening to our food, what's happening to our health, what's happening with the potential nuclear war And I think we have people starting to realize this and they're trying to, like, lunge out for it But we're being told it's alarmist, we're being told it's a conspiracy theory And to me, that's what we've kind of landed on this health issue Let's just bring it down to the facts of what's happening to kids Let's bring it down to just like forget the conspiracy theory What even anyone's saying in this room, let's look what's happening or food and looks what's happening to kids Because by the stats we're seeing there's something really dark happening Like outside any conspiracy theory, just the statistics of what is happening to our health in this country and uniquely in America is dark This episode is brought to you by Oracle.

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and the taste it's damn good It's bold and sophisticated yet incredibly smooth finishing long and deep It's authentically American representing uncompromising quality for the rugged the powerful and the passionate Tap the banner to learn more or visit Buffalo Trace Distillery .com That's Buffalo Trace Distillery .com distilled aged and bottled by Buffalo Trace Distillery 90 proof Franklin County Kentucky Buffalo Trace American family owned independent and perfectly untamed And so Casey if you could do the same sort of explain how you got on this path you started off with medical school Yeah, so just like Callie you know we grew up in DC I was a loved biology went to Stanford medical school went on to do surgical residency and head and neck surgery Climb the ladder you know do what every good medical student and resident is supposed to do climb the academic ranks, publish papers, etc And so I was heads down in that journey and just like Callie's saying like with what I think is happening with the American people right now And really more globally like there was something inside of me that was whispering and then speaking a little louder And then finally was a deafening call to me that like something is not right like I'm operating I'm working eight hours a week I'm operating you know two three four five surgeries a day and you know in some ways I feel good about that You know people maybe their sinusitis is a little better for a little while But fundamentally when you pop up for just a second which they don't want you to do in health care You know everyone's working their tails off but when you pop up for just just a second and look around at what is happening to American health Children's health health across the lifespan as well as global health it's a disaster It's literally a disaster and again this isn't people will say that's alarmist but I You know in trying to understand like why don't I feel right about my work I just started looking at the data in a different way and I started to look at what was happening with health trends And if you just kind of run through the list of what's happening it's unbelievable like we are getting destroyed And it's very recent and it's accelerating the stats speak for themselves You know you know this very well 74 % of Americans are overweight or obese 50 % now of American adults have type 2 diabetes or pre -diabetes These were diseases where there was 1 % of Americans in 1950 had type 2 diabetes Now it's 50 % of Americans have pre -diabetes or type 2 diabetes Alzheimer's dementia are going through the roof Young adult dementia has increased like three times since 2012 So early onset dementia as we're seeing you know this 1 in 2 Americans are expected to have cancer in their lifetime now 1 in 2 and young adult cancers are going up 79 % in the last 10 years We've got of course the autism's rates are absolutely astronomical 1 in 36 children has autism now in the United States That was 1 in 150 in the year 2000 and in California where I live it's 1 in 22 1 in 22 with a lifetime neurodevelopmental disorder We've got infertility going up 1 % for year 25 % of men now under 40 have erectile dysfunction A quarter of the country you know this is fundamentally a metabolic disease We've got 77 % of young Americans can't serve in the military because of obesity or drug abuse We've got we've got autoimmune diseases some studies are saying they're going up 13 % per year It's just it's it's really unbelievable and I could go through so many more diseases Of course we've got heart disease which is almost totally preventable as the leading cause of death in the United States Killing around 800 ,000 people per year And I think what as I kind of just looked around and again these are just statistics I started trying to put the pieces together Why is this happening why are these all going up all at once And that led me on what is now a 7 -8 year journey ultimately leaving the surgical world Putting down my scalpel forever because what I realize is that when you go to the science with a root cause perspective You go back to PubMed with a slightly different perspective not how do I treat these diseases once they emerge but why are they happening You see a very obvious blaring answer which is why we had to write a book about it Which is that it's all caused by metabolic dysfunction A term that I never learned in medical school I learned about metabolic syndrome and the different individual diseases that make it up But there is a problem there is a fundamental breaking of our core cellular biology that is caused by our diet And the world we're living in the modern world we're living in today That is crushing the very way that the human body and our human cells can transmit food energy to life energy to cellular energy And so our bodies are essentially I mean fundamentally because metabolic health is how we make energy in the body The way that our environment is now synergistic to you storing our metabolic health And the science is very clear about this It's basically like all of us are a little bit dead while we're alive That's what metabolic dysfunction is it's less energy in the body we're underpowered And that's very dark like when you step back and say okay This is clear from the research and I never learned it I didn't learn in its Stanford medical school I didn't learn in my surgical residency And we could fix it We could fix it really quickly If we all popped up and woke up and looked at the data and put pieces together But of course we're not trained to connect dots That's not our job in medicine We are trained to follow algorithms and to be reactive And so I think you know just to sort of Kind of back up to the bigger picture of why we're so passionate about this I think that the reason they're the maha movement The reason that people are so passionate about your podcast that talks about this so much People know that something's not right And people know that this health issue is the tip of the iceberg Of what's actually happening in our world today It is a reflection Our human health is simply a reflection of the destroyed ecosystem of our globe The fact that we have forgotten that we're completely connected to nature And we're completely injured and dependent with nature But the health crisis is simply a reflection of a destroyed ecosystem And humans have become so powerful and so technologically advanced And so connected in the recent decades that we now actually do have the power To both destroy the world and destroy our health And the health is just the tip of the iceberg Of a much bigger thing happening that is existential And I think that's, we all want kids to be healthy We all want humans to be healthy But this is also, it's interconnected with all the systems and all the issues And that's, I think it's hard for people to totally articulate that But that is what's happening And we actually have a choice right now And I do believe this is the moment that we need to decide Are we going to address these interdependent issues And are we going to make the effort and be courageous enough to fight for this Or are we going to let ourselves be told that there's nothing wrong Nothing to see here while our health and the health of the planet is just absolutely being destroyed So that's what our mission is I think one of the most disturbing things about it is how few people are speaking out When the data is so obvious and then when you guys lay it out And when people like Brigham Bueller or Andrew Huberman And when any of these people that are very focused on what the problems are, lay it out The data is all there But yet we're not being told this anywhere other than the internet It's only independent shows that don't rely on executives and networks Where there's pharmaceutical drug companies advertising or food companies or any of these things You don't hear any of this stuff I mean other than Fox News has allowed you guys on a few times right?

15:26That's right, they're the only ones Yeah, well kudos to them Yeah, absolutely It's a human issue And the fact that people are willing to take money to not talk about one of the biggest problems that we have I didn't even know about the childhood dementia thing or the young adult dementia thing Well, type 2 diabetes used to be never seen You know when long kids in their career Right We used to be called early onset They don't call it early onset anymore As Casey said, 33 % of young adults now have prediabetes I mean this prediabetes is not some isolated thing It's the branch of the tree, it's cellular dysregulation And every single disease is going down All the time it's now called type 3 diabetes If you don't have prediabetes or diabetes, you have a very diminished chance of hunger Alzheimer's And so it makes total sense But somebody from Harvard Medical School that specializes in Alzheimer's Their entire course load, their entire training, their entire focus is on accepting Alzheimer's That it's there, that it's growing, and then figuring out marginal improvements for it There's literally people that are the highest educated people in the world Do not even understand what causes these diseases They're just accepting that and making the cures for them, the marginal treatments And I would just say also, if you do step back and look at everything holistically One of the biggest problems with the health care industry right now is that it's so siloed We have over 100 different medical and surgical sub -specialties And the business model of American health care right now is volume It's how many people can you see And so that's what you get paid for You don't get paid for outcomes, you get paid for volume And so that has incentivized a structure of health care Where it's most profitable to actually be seen by as many specialists as humanly possible And that's what the average American is dealing with They go to the primary care doctor with a list of issues and they get eight, ten referrals And they spend their life going through evolving doors of these different health care offices And not actually really feeling better and they feel disappointed And that's why I think people are frustrated So we've got all these doctors who are incentivized to really be head down And their specialty lane and not actually step out and look at the big picture of how things are connected When in fact it's all connected We don't see the body anymore And I'm just telling you this from like sheer experience of being in medical school Like we are not trained to see the body as a unified system We're trained to see it as 20, 30 different parts And so no one's seen the forest for the trees But like Halley is saying like look at what's happening Like you look at what's happening with kids We've got ADHD through the roof, autism through the roof These are neurodevelopmental issues And you look at midlife Well, women and men are depressed We have huge rates of mental illness 25 % of women 25 % of women are an SRSRI I mean we're living in like the wealthiest, safest country in human history And 25 % of people are on an SSRI That's insane Then you go into menopause, parry menopause, that age group And it's sort of brain fog And then we have full blown Alzheimer's going up So we've got all these neurodevelopmental issues and neurodegenerative issues Sort of across the lifespan And you know, then you look at kind of the hormonal side of thing We've got girls going through puberty much earlier than they ever were You know, we are the of continents on earth We are the earliest puberty rates right now That's gone down on an average six years since 1900 Our puberty rates are way earlier So girls are reaching sexual maturity at like age 10 We're getting puberty right now Then you've got in midlife you look at women And infertility is the roof We've got PCOS is affecting 26 % of women This is a metabolic fertility issue It's a leading cause of influenza in the country Then we look at older age and like menopausal symptoms are a disaster for women This is why a book like the new menopause is like the number one book in the country For a while because women are desperate So if you step back and look at all these different things We've got these neuro issues throughout the lifetime All exploding These hormonal issues throughout the lifetime all exploding It's happening all over the place But no one's stopping asking why Like why is this happening?

19:12Instead we put ADHD in a bucket We put depression, anxiety in a bucket We put all timers in a bucket And so that's really the problem And I think when you think about some of these things It's like we're becoming infertile And we're losing our minds across the lifespan Like what the hell is happening Like that's what these diseases, these buckets of diseases Represent And I think that's why I think it's You know we talked about it's a type of health It's a type of iceberg of fundamentally like A planetary issue But like the planetary issue is the type of iceberg of what I think is really really going on here Which is like a spiritual issue Like we are like not fighting for life in this world anymore And I think that's more of a consciousness issue You know we talk about why is no one covering this It's like I think people see it I think in some way we have like totally lost respect For like the miraculousness of life That's what our actions are reflecting Like we know a lot We have the technology, the money, and the resources to fix all of this The planet and health and we're not And that's why I think there's something darker happening On like the consciousness level And I think we could get our way out of this If we like I think it's going to be hard to get our way out of this If we stick to like partisan politics And quibbling about individual policy ideas I think it has to start with like Are we committed to life and to awe and to connecting with source And then listening and moving our way out of here Or are we not?

20:49And if we choose not Which is what I think we're doing I mean I think there's huge light happening Because that's why everyone's interested in this That's why a lot of people are interested in this issue right now But like if we don't Like I do think we're on the road to existential disaster Because we're that powerful now Like our and so You know I think Step one is us deciding like what choice do we want to make in this lifetime? Do you want to do we want to believe that humans are that that life is a miracle? This universe is a miracle our bodies are miracles And we want to connect with God in this lifetime We want to build and respect these temples that are interconnected with the earth to do that Or do we not?

21:30And like that's the choice we have right now And I think we have to take that very seriously And I think a lot of the political stuff that's happening, Maha It's all just a reflection of people wanting to find a way to fight for life And not knowing how But on the biggest level Like that's what I think is kind of happening here And wanting life to make more sense Then just this constant state of fatigue And constantly dealing with diseases I want to talk about a couple of specific things you said And questions like why are girls going through periods so much earlier? Well if you ask the New York Times they'll write a headline that says Girls are going through puberty weight weight eat earlier And no one has any idea why And of course that's because there's not a double blind placebo controlled peer reviewed You know RCT in a journal that can exactly pinpoint the one reason why it's happening But again if we put the dots together Which of course I'm going to be called like not evidence base for saying that What's happening in our environment right now?

22:33So what drives early puberty is excess estrogens Right? We're like we're pushing estrogens to basically you know Spark that whole process of puberty Well look at our world Why would we be having extra estrogens? Well let's look at our environment, the plastics So we've got plastics as you know everywhere I love you are talking about this I think with Brigham Like you've got the the metal cups and I love it But like there have been eight billion metric tons of plastic produced on planet Earth since about 1907 When plastic was commercialized And the interesting thing about plastic is that when it breaks down it acts like a zeno estrogen An exogenous estrogen molecule that can literally bind to our estrogen receptors and act like estrogens So now we've got you know we've got you know this like we've got plastic Effing everywhere it's literally in the air we're breathing the nanoparticles.

23:26It's in our food. It's in our water. It's in everything And we've now found plastics in every human organ so of course that's affecting our bodies and our young girls bodies It's actually affecting our bodies in utero There was a recent study that was done that showed a hundred percent of placentas that were dissected had microplastics in them So that's one number two look at the pesticides So there are pesticides actually where their molecular activity is to increase aromatase The enzyme that converts testosterone to estrogen so atrazine which is banned in Europe But we spray 70 million pounds of it per year in the US Increases aromatase which converts testosterone to estrogen illegal overseas and it is we buy it from other countries So China and Germany and other countries are selling us a chemical of which 70 million pounds are spread on our food invisible and tasteless Which upregulates aromatase and converts testosterone to estrogen so that's number two And then you look at just the fat that we have on our bodies so fat and especially visceral fat the metabolically active fat around our midline That is a metabolically active organ that actually converts testosterone to estrogen So that's so we are living in this like wildly estrogenic environment that is created by humans and it's all invisible And you know again it's like how would you even do the study to show that And yet it's if you put the pieces together it's very clear now go into later life and talking about estrogens We've got a huge percentage of American women on birth control pills that's of course post hopefully post puberty But we're putting women on exogenous estrogens for acne for PCOS for menstrual regularity Sometimes of course for actual birth control but it's like it's very ubiquitous now in the environment And it's like when you kind of know this stuff you're like how are we allowing this to happen and then of course it's affecting boys too Right you know and so I kind of just think about this world we're living in where it's tons of estrogens It's not like there's a bunch of exogenous testosterone right it's not like the plastics are also stimuli in testosterone So got these estrogens then we're bearled with sugar and it's literally like it's in our kids school lunches This sugar everywhere sugar is driving the visceral fat in kids which is turning estrogen testosterone So it's like we live in a world that's basically feminizing us which for women that's going to make puberty early for men It's going to feminize them you know and then we also have an entire food system that's driving visceral fat to make us more more estrogen sort of rich And what is this doing I think in a lot of ways it's it's depleting American vigor right like we're living in this estrogen stew that's hard to get away from This is where I think my experience ties is that on the foundational level why this is happening It's because these studies are all funded by the chemical companies by the food companies Like like we've almost been I think misled by the experts when it comes to chronic conditions and when it comes to nutrition to take leaves of our common sense Like do we need to wait for a double blind placebo controlled human randomized control study to know whether 0 .5 % of our brains being plastic is a good thing right now Do we need to have a human randomized control tenure study to know whether an herbicide like glyphosate that's being sprayed on almost all of our food And our children's food that people have to wear hazmat suits to spray and kills every single organism inside do we need to wait for a study Like like we've been we've just as the medical system is siloed We've siloed all these questions and just taken leave of our common sense Like animals in the wild, wolves in the wild are not getting like chronic rates of obesity, diabetes, metabolic dysfunction Like we're born with an innate scent of knowing what's good for us, of knowing that the sun is good, of knowing that steak is good, that broccoli is good We can't overeat those things, the problem is we've been why to buy the professors at Harvard, at Stanford, at Tufts Nutrition School That I believe are essentially from my experience PR for the food industry and the pharmaceutical industry that accepts all these things as a given I mean Tufts Nutrition School 80 % of their budgets from food companies You know by our estimate 50 % of Stanford medical school's budget comes somehow touches Pharma So just fundamentally like on the on the grassroots like micro level These industries have co -opted our institution of trust and let us to be this new ask why we're the only people speaking out Because we've made it that evidence -based medicine really accepts all this disease growing and happening And 95 % of medical spending right now is on disease once it's happens on managing conditions And there's no higher levels of trust in our society than the NIH, then the FDA, then Harvard Med School, then Stanford Med School So all of them are enforcing this and then it's really just interesting where their emphasis is Like I was just reading the other day that California, the medical board is checking the licenses of doctors putting them under review if they write five vaccine exception notes You literally like on the verge of losing your license if you even go outside the orthodoxy on vaccines But where is that level of emphasis, where is that level of focus, where is that level of rigor around metabolic health for kids, around nutrition for kids I think it is a big deal like of kids getting polio but like 50 % of teens are obese or overweight right now Like we have pre -diabetes skyrocketing like the medical system knows how to focus on something They know how to tell Congress that there's no cost too high for something Like when it comes to pharmaceutical interventions where bankrupt the country with interventions once people get sick Like I truly believe in this gets to like the solutions and how I actually think this is an optimistic story, people waking up Why it's an existential kind of knife -sedge we're on right now, we can change this really quick The issue is that interest that profit from us being in fear, that just fundamentally the statement of economic fact, profit from us being sick, profit from us being depressed, profit from us being infertile They have co -opted our institutions of trust and they've co -opted the clinical guidelines Like literally when I was a junior employee I helped Coke file money to the American Diabetes Association Okay, the American Diabetes Association says that if you have diabetes you don't need to worry about your sugar intake They say it's not tied to food Right, the American Academy of Pediatrics right now is saying that if your child is overweight, slightly overweight, overweight, 12 years old Dietarian infertiles don't wait, it says do not wait to see if dietary infertiles work ozimic It's now being studied on six years old, the American Psychiatrics Association right, the psychiatrist that the standard of care If your child is a little sad, SSRI, immediate intervention right, SSRI rates have doubled among high schoolers in the past five years Right, if your child is a little fidgety, the standard of care Right, it's not asking whether they're in the sunlight, not asking if they're too sedentary, not asking if they're being forced at ultra processed food Which would make any animal crazy if we subject them to what kids are subject to, no discussion about it It's just not in the clinical guidelines So these doctors, these good people like Casey go into the medical system where we're this magnet for smart people We get them in for the right reasons, there's easier ways to make money But they come in and they get saddled with one skill, they get saddled with a bunch of debt And then they're realizing this is a rigged system Some people, a few people unfortunately had the courage like Casey to drop out I thought she was an idiot I was like, what are you doing?

30:53I was, you know, we were kind of brainwashed to do the traditional system I couldn't believe we didn't talk for a year But it just is hard for people to understand that you can walk away from this Because our society stamps these credentials on people Like what's better than being the dean of Stanford med school? The dean of Stanford med school right now was the Casey's same specialty, had a neck surgery And the way you rise up a medicine is you do specialty focus on a couple inches of the face And then he focused on a fellowship on an even narrower part of the body Like that's how you rise up, you've siloed the situation Anything that's not siloed is considered not scientific Is considered wacky They've called us the Wauwukakis talking about these nutrition The medical system enforces this siloed view where diabetes, heart disease, depression, kidney disease, cancer They're all separate things If you have those conditions, you're seeing five separate doctors, they're not speaking to each other That's very profit This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery Actually have some Buffalo Trace cigars here they just sent me One of the world's most award -winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years Made as a tribute to the rugged free spirited pioneers who blaze their own trail to new frontiers It embodies the perfectly untamed spirit of independence It defines what an award -winning bourbon should be Age nearly twice as long as competitors in new, charred, white oak barrels And bottled at 90 proof, Buffalo Trace is the perfect bourbon to be enjoyed in any way, anywhere And the taste, it's damn good, it's bold and sophisticated Yet incredibly smooth finishing long and deep It's authentically American representing uncompromising quality for the rugged, the powerful, and the passionate Tap the banner to learn more or visit buffalotracedistillery .com That's buffalotracedistillery .com Distilled, aged, and bottled by Buffalo Trace Distillery 90 proof, Franklin County, Kentucky, Buffalo Trace, American, family -owned, independent, and perfectly untamed Well, very problematic So the solution is truly just having the clinical guidelines of how diseases are assessed and how they're intervened Changed to following the science which is these are metabolic conditions 90 % of the U .S.

33:28medical budget is tied to managing preventable and reversible lifestyle conditions If we had people on Medicaid instead of jamming with the stands, jamming them with... Ozipic jamming them with SSRIs, you know, lower income people were going bankrupt from Medicaid $1 .3 trillion It's growing, it's bigger part of the budget than the defense budget If we literally just ask how do we have that money to spur thriving To incentivize exercise, to incentivize healthier food for these folks We'd be a transformed country. It's literally that simple, but it takes that moral courage It takes Americans actually saying no, I am going to go against the NIH I am going to ask questions, but of course we have violent, just reading, you know, back...

34:07I was glad it was in 2022, like every single public health official in America Said you were like the enemy number one for talking about sunlight And talking about food and talking about healthy eating COVID was a metabolic condition. COVID was a foodborne illness Like if you were metabolic, you healthy, you did not die of COVID, like pretty demonstrably And you were threat number one Go ahead Yeah, no, I think, I think Callie is getting into something also that I think is part of reason why I mean, there are a lot of, fortunately there are a lot of doctors speaking out right now And I have so much like gratitude for all the other, not only doctors, but like, and peas, diodes, chiropractors Like nurse practitioners, all these amazing people who are speaking up and getting a lot of shit for it But this is very tribal, you know, and I think that when you think about, and it's hard, like this is a primal instinct To not break out of the pact and to not go against what the norm is So I think in a lot of ways that we're dealing with like here is Going to come down to like how courageous are we willing to be to move humanity back And by humanity very much also the earth's health because they're interconnected They're one and the same How courageous are we going to be to stand up for that Or are we going to let things slip through our fingers And I think the tribe when I was in medical school like it's, it's amazing because of the interest and the fact that You know Stanford got a three million dollar grant from Pfizer while I was there to revamp the curriculum And the fact that the American Diabetes Association that makes clinical guidelines is getting millions of dollars from Koch and Cadbury And the American Diabetes Association is getting millions of dollars from Mead Johnson that makes formula and Abit Nutrition that makes formula and vaccine companies that make flu vaccines Like the fact that the money I mean 8 ,000 major conflicts of interest were just reported at the NIH with food and Pharma so at every level the The medical guidelines that if you step out of you are at risk for litigation as a doctor and the NIH You know all like you know this thing that we all respect tons of conflicts of interest and the medical schools accepting money The tribe that then you become a part of as a trainee is a tribe that only hears one thing And so I have a lot of compassion for doctors because I was I did go through medical school and not learn any of the things that I had to learn after to actually figure out how to help myself and Others truly generate foundational cellular health to be healthy like I It's I just look back at what I've had to learn since medical school, you know I learned about basically organ specific physiology Pharmacology and then in residency I learned how to do surgery and then of course throughout the whole thing I learned how to bill But that that is ultimately those are not the tools that actually generate foundational cellular health you know 80 percent of medical schools in the United States don't require a single nutrition course not one minute of nutrition And yet 90 percent of our health care costs are tied to diseases the things that are torturing American lives are tied to food And doctors it's not a hammer in our toolbox.

37:04I didn't learn you know I didn't learn at Stanford medical school that 95 percent of the people on the USDA Food Guidelines for America committee had a complex And the food with the food industry I didn't learn that there were 8 ,000 conflicts of interest at the NIH I didn't learn that there are 8 billion tons of plastic on planet earth that are degrading into end of estrogen you know analogues I did not learn that there's 6 billion pounds of pesticides sprayed on our global food supply every single year Most from China and Germany and that these are literally tied very strongly to Alzheimer's dementia cancer obesity, mitochondrial dysfunction and fertility ADHD liver dysfunction I didn't learn that you know Simply taking 7 ,000 steps per day can slash your risk of obesity type to diabetes all -time risk dementia Even gastric reflux by 40 to 60 percent and the average Americans walking 3500 steps per day Like we're literally just not moving as a country And if you just walk a little bit 7 ,000 steps which takes like 45 minutes you slash your risk of every major You know chronic disease I didn't learn that we need to be getting sunlight because circadian biology Dictates our cellular health like we are Diurnal animals that have biologic processes that happen during the day and other biologic processes that happen at night And the way your body knows whether it's day or night is if you get photons hitting your retina and your skin cells Pretty basic pretty foundational for human health didn't learn anything about it Didn't learn anything about sunlight didn't learn anything about photons didn't learn anything about sleep You know we're sleeping 20 percent less on average than we were 100 years ago and sleep is a huge risk factor You can in an experimental setting take a young healthy person and subject them to sleep deprivation for five nights and they become pre -diabetic Well 50 % Americans are pre -diabetic and type today big and we're not sleeping well and I didn't learn not one minute on sleep So all the things and so many more and of course nothing about nutrition You know and Marty McCarrie talks about this like I certainly didn't learn that medical error and medication is the third leading cause of death in the United States I learned that patient comes in and I need to label their diagnosis and give them a pill So it's when I when I speak of the tribalism it's like I have so much compassion for doctors who feel stuck right now They're stuck in a broken system the tribe that they're a part of has taught them a certain set of things There are huge trillions of dollars of interest to make the things that they learn a specific myopic lens And putting together dots is risky because if you step outside the guidelines you're at risk for intense litigation and potentially ridicule I mean I'm called pseudoscientific all right, you know Wu Wu caucus all the time and and so it's scary And I think that that fundamentally this is again why it comes down to like this is actually more of a consciousness and spiritual issue Because it's like we need to pray for courage We need to sit down every morning and decide what we want for the future What do we want?

40:14We're all players. We're all important. We all need to use our voices Being complicit like what future do we want and what are we willing to do for it? And get our priorities straight Is our priority like our house and our mortgage and our boat and our comfortable life that's killing us? Or is it to elevate to be stewards of the future and of the planet and to make some harder choices? And I think one thing I would just say if there are doctors listening and probably preaching the choir here but like This tribe on the other side you know that I think we're all in of like promoting health like it's beautiful and people are really healthy and happy And it's not that hard and it's not that expensive and everyone is welcome here in this tribe of trying to move humanity towards more harmonious you know future And and everyone is welcome it's bipartisan it's really about like like Brigham was saying like this is about team humanity And team humanity always by extension will be team planet because they're interconnected And so I think we need to break out of that that sort of like more our past you know human selves of tribalism and really realize like we need to be brave We need to be courageous we need to fight for life and and it's pretty pretty bright and wonderful when we start doing that I don't think most people were aware of the problems in regards to the food system in regards to pesticides and in regards to like how people learn nutrition in medical school I don't think they were really aware of that until about five or six years ago I think it started to creep into the zeitgeist I think before that people just put all their faith in doctors and then I think COVID happened and people lost a lot of faith in the medical system They lost a lot of faith in the NIH they they saw all the contradictory videos of Fauci saying you know you're not going to get COVID and Rachel Maddow and all that shit and you're like oh my god this is all a bought and paid for system to promote profit Yeah I think I think Jamal talked a little bit about this but I think it's so important because nobody realizes this is I think a lot of people listening at us years ago It's just like the sounds conspiratorial and it's just like what actually happened and there's a couple like really important dates That happened that are historical that I think like set this structure really intentionally the first was 1909 the Flexner report So literally John D.

42:42Rockefeller's personal lawyer wrote the report for Congress that basically set the standard that's the standard today for medical education And it literally says in the binding guidelines that holistic and holistic health and nutrition and anything about interconnectors of the body is pseudoscience It says we need to name the condition and cut it out or prescribe it And what year is this? 1909 So they're still going by the recommendations of 1909 We still follow the Flexner report Yeah some a policy I mean that is so crazy But like rescinding the Flexner report and having updated scientific education and standard of care guidelines based on what we've learned since 1909 about the majesty of the interconnectors of our body is a really good first start Because we're behind the Dunderra law just to matchably just like again not conspiratorial John D.

43:31Rockefeller's personal lawyer wrote this report why? Because John D. Rockefeller is the father of the pharmaceutical industry and created pharmaceuticals from byproducts of oil production And was the first investor in the Johns Hopkins and other major medical schools University of Chicago and started the modern education program for health There were some big issues in the health is the Wild West but he created Johns Hopkins and the standard of residency training as a way to silo disease is very intentionally And then prescribe his products and interventions as the top pharmaceutical maker and the medical schools that he created were basically a distribution system to him Okay so you get to World War 2 Up until World War 2 around that time the 1950s 1960s I would argue almost any medical miracle you can think of or any listener can think of was created before that time You know it's all acute situations emergency surgical procedures sanitation procedures antibiotics to make an infection not deadly Almost every medical miracle we can think of was something that was going to kill you right away infectious disease And then you take the pill to take the treatment for a finite period of time and you stop it or do the surgery quickly and you're cured That those are medical miracles and we had a lot of good things happen up until World War 2 very intentionally the medical industry saw the birth control pill in the late 1950s 1960s And the birth control pill was the first pill in world history that people took for longer than a couple weeks It was the first pill ever that is it oh interesting you can actually convince someone to take a pill for years for almost most their life recurring revenue And there was a huge emphasis of the medical industry to take the trust engendered up until 1960 RFK talks about this We didn't spend money on chronic disease management all medicine was the acute issues chronic disease you know diabetes obesity that was outside the doctor's office They saw that you could medicalize chronic conditions today 95 995 percent of spending is on chronic conditions So what do we do we in the 1970s literally the Sackler family that you know that their grandkids and kids did the opioids They're therefore bears created valium and 30 % of women in the United States in the 1970s were on valium time magazine valium nation mommy's little helper So we started creating all these psychiatric conditions we started medicalizing heart disease we started medicalizing all these type 2 diabetes started creating academic research totally funded by the pharmaceutical industry Saying that type 2 diabetes isn't reversible that it's basically genetic heart disease all these things and started peeling them started peeling them then what happened to food Chronic disease wasn't that big of a deal in the 1970s 1980s you look at the graph you look at the graph of all chronic conditions there's just a sharp turn in the 1980s It's the literally almost to the year of the surgeon general report saying smoking wasn't great So the second that report came out Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds were two of the largest companies in the world it wasn't like Microsoft and Google on the top companies list It was like cigarette companies, you know don't mean is really good thing to sell which which the tech companies do now And they use their cash piles and by 1990 the three largest M &A deals in American history in world history were cigarette companies buying food companies So you had an ambisco bought by RJ Reynolds you had craft and US food buy and you see those graphs of all the food companies owned by like a couple a couple companies That was the cigarette companies and they did two things very very intentionally they took over the institutions of trust to say ultra processed food was healthy And then they took their scientists and rigged the food itself to make it more addictive not to kill kids but to make it more addictive So you had that literal food pyramid which said ultra processed food is great low fat carbs based the pyramid That was constructed literally by the cigarette industry to promote their addictive products And this weaponization of food as I call it it's not just like this conspiracy Literally the cigarette industry those two companies felt more in our journals were the two largest food producers in the United States Like 50 % of American food were created by cigarette companies in the 1990s And they have gotten addicted and weaponized this food and all chronic conditions have just shot up It's because that ultra processed foods literally by tobacco industry scientists hijacks are evolutionary biology Again you can't overeat grass fed steak but these food with scientists much smarter than any of us That's what they're doing they're shutting off our society signals The byproduct of this cheap addictive food which we don't even have research for yet is that it's sprayed with all these chemicals It's sprayed with 10 ,000 chemicals that are allowed in the United States when only 400 are allowed in Europe All these chemicals to make the food addictive to make the food cheap you know to do the monocropping And that food is absolutely and we don't need wait for the research on this These chemicals these neurotoxins are destroying ourselves destroying our microbiome in ways we don't fully understand So I just want to make clear to everyone like this has happened like very intentionally Like like and it can be undone pretty quickly too, but we have to realize this isn't a conspiracy It's true corruption That that that that happened deliberately I would just add a few more like dates I like you know I think one thing about the research You know we're one of the only countries in the world where the burden of proof for harm Like we we allow these chemicals to just enter our food system We have 10 ,000 chemicals in our food system You're up only 400 because they have to show that it's safe before they use it We're allowed to use it and then and then only you know only if there's issues that crop up Do people have to do research so you know there's this like ridiculous G -rass generally recognizes safe designation which is essentially a company Self assesses whether the chemical that they are creating is generally recognizes safe No one's overseeing it and freedom talks about this like compassion for the FDA They're overwhelmed there's a lot of stuff to do it's kind of like a hoarder's house where do we even start Like I don't necessarily know if I buy that I think that it's pretty pretty bad and bought off that we have all these chemicals But they basically just have to self designate if it's generally recognizes safe and then it can go into our food system One thing that I find really interesting is like that I really reflect on a lot is like What is the difference between a food chemical and a drug They're all just synthetic molecules that are made in factories in labs by scientists Do you know what the difference is?

49:58Intended use So basically if the intended use is for food you can synthesize almost anything you want and put it in food We are being mass drugged and poisoned in our food system with 10 ,000 virtually unregulated chemicals Which have bought off papers saying that they are safe I mean you look at what happened with all the Monsanto litigation about non -Hodges and Phoma They had to release this whole thing called the Monsanto papers they were declassified Where they ghost writ scientific they ghost wrote scientific papers saying that glyphosate is safe So there's all this corruption in there where basically we have 10 ,000 unregulated chemicals in our food system And we're getting sick as hell obviously and then you've got the evidence based people saying well we need to have a 10 -year longitudinal study to show that glyphosate is causing XYZ disease And it's like obviously that's not the right approach because first of all It is the synergistic combination of all the toxins that are now in our environment that are leading to all these pleiotropic health issues That's very hard to study so we have to get our heads out of our ass and use our common sense And realize what's going on and not wait 10 years with these NH -funded studies that are going to be corrupted And I think that's just one thing about the food chemicals I just wanted to add to your point Cal Some other dates like you look at the processed food emergence Process food really didn't start taking off until these mergers There was a little bit of a start of it Ultraprocess foods did not exist before World War II We needed to have shelf stable food for soldiers and things like that that we could ship And so there were maybe some good intentions there But then there was an opportunity there that got seen And we can also weaponize the feminist movement against being in the kitchen you're a slave Your values outside the home need to climb the corporate ladder Here have this convenience food that we basically made for soldiers And we're going to tell you that this is actually your liberation So of course we got people not completely families aren't eating together anymore Like kids are eating 67 % of children's calories now are ultra processed foods These means foods that come from a factory made by food scientists Not just processed, ultra processed The highest form of processing, 67 % of calories Then you go to the 1970s and we have the advent of high -fortose corn syrup Which as Cali talks about this preceded some of the mergers but high -fortose corn syrup is a weapon of mass destruction That basically food scientists use an understanding about hibernating animals like bears Who fructose is one of the only types of calories where instead of making you feel satiated it makes you more hungry And this is evolutionarily and we knew this In the fall when animals are preparing for hibernation And they start eating fructose rich berries They need to put on a ton of fat for winter And so there's a feed forward mechanism with fructose where it actually gets the bears to be hungry and even violent To out -compete other animals to get as many berries as possible in a short period of time To lay 3D print fat for winter So you have the scientists understanding this and say hey we can make liquid fructose Thousand times more potent than the fructose you'd find in berries Same molecule but in higher concentration And we can add it to everything We can add it to salad dressing We're going to add it to ketchup We're going to add it to children's school lunches We're going to add it obviously to sodas And we're going to make people insatiable We're going to make their bodies and their brains Think that they're preparing for winter that's never coming And there has been research that shows that high -fortose corn syrup is associated with violence ADHD and kids, all of these different things Just last thing I'll mention flash forward 1986 I think another very important date Which is the date when the litigation went through that said we couldn't sue vaccine manufacturers And the vaccine safety at that's a very important date in the whole history Because it is the first one of the first times where we were able to pass legislation Who congress that said that pharmaceutical companies could not be sued for wrongdoing And that still is present today They basically put together a little Paltry little fund that people could apply to get You know no fault Reimbursements were for vaccine harm but you cannot sue the company So you start to get companies being legally immune from wrongdoing which has then accelerated And they're now starting to try and push things like that for pesticides as well So that's just some of the history of like why we are where we are today It's not rocket science This is all been very institutionalized and structured And it's the last 50 years Like we can on do all of this with leadership And so that's just a little bit of the picture of how we are where we are today Can I just one thing about the fructose corn syrup?

54:50I'm so glad you brought that up Because I didn't know that there was a unique way that it makes it more addictive And kills your satiety Or increases it or kills it rather Because I always thought that sugar was sugar And this is one of the arguments of a lot of people that are poo -pooing all this stuff Like oh this is nonsense sugar sugar Like there's no difference between the sugar and high fructose corn syrup versus the sugar and apple No it's really interesting there's two amazing books on this Richard Johnson from University of Colorado wrote Nature wants us to be fat and then David Perlmutter wrote drop acid Both books are about a molecule called uric acid Which is unique to fructose metabolism So when fructose is metabolized in the body Not like glucose, it creates uric acid Which creates oxidative stress and mitochondrial dysfunction In the brain and the body That if you have mitochondrial dysfunction You're not going to be able to process sugars to energy You know mitochondria powerhouse of the cell So you break the mitochondria with the excess fructose Overloading the mitochondria with uric acid And then what happens?

55:53You can't turn sugars to energy So what do you do? You turn sugars to fat So you start 3D printing fat You start 3D printing fat Because you break the mitochondria with excess fructose And on top of that The mitochondrial dysfunction and oxidative stress When happening the brain is what may inspire The violence and the ADHD and all that stuff To make the bear's manic So it gets as much barriers as possible This was having every kid in every classroom in America now And so that's kind of some of the biology very simply About what's happening with fructose So the apple is probably a bad example But like cane sugar Is cane sugar fructose based?

56:29Well it's generally is going to have sucrose Which is going to have some amount of glucose and fructose But this is the thing about fruit Is that we have 40 trillion cells And we have the ability to clear uric acid And we have the ability to process fructose In a physiologic amount We're never going to have the uric acid increasing And overload in the mitochondria If we're eating an apple It's when you're eating 20 -30 times the fructose That an apple has And you're literally pouring it down That all of a sudden imagine You get this huge rise in uric acid in the body And other things that are happening And that's when it overwhelms So it's a bit of that dose makes the poison Because our body has the ability to excrete toxins Our body has the ability to deal with some heavy metals Our body has the ability to probably clear some level of glyphosate But we can't clear all of it all the time 24 hours a day In 100 times the quantity of all these things together And the research And the evidence -based thing And this cult of the science They love to ignore that The idea of synergistic effects Of this overwhelming breaking of our cellular resources Is just conveniently forgotten Because we study things in isolation That's literally the definition of how a Double blind placebo controlled study happens It's one variable And one thing that you're testing That doesn't make sense We live in a toxic stew The only answer of double blind placebo controlled studies Which every guest comes on is just like that's just the gold standard Everyone just accepts that that's what you need A double blind placebo controlled study The only answer is a pill Like essentially, you can't test psychedelics on that way You can't test food You can't test exercise You can't blind those things So anything that actually recognizes the unison And the interactivity of why we're getting sick Can't be studied through a double blind placebo controlled study Usually you actually have the FDA that's basically created You saw this with the recent MDMA decision It's basically rigged That the only thing that can be approved Through the top way we study things And approved drugs Is a synthetic pill That's the only thing that can basically lead to Through a double blind placebo controlled study It's like with vaccines I bet that one vaccine probably isn't causing autism But what about the 20 That they're getting before 18 months Like we don't look at it in synergistic And so that's a big problem And this is where The cult of the science And I say the science specifically Because science is beautiful Using the scientific method And using that way of inquiry into the natural world Is a beautiful art But weaponizing Papers that are often bought for Or corrupted And you know they The leaders of some of our key medical journals Have actually even said that 50 % of scientific research That publish ends up being wrong So it's bought for corrupted or wrong We rely on this And if When interesting trend that we're seeing in our world Is that if we do choose to Put dots together or use our intuition Are God given Intuition Anything other than This particular way of examining things You are dangerous And I think that that's something we need to really question You know I think Especially as a woman And I'm thinking about having kids soon I'm thinking about like wow I Have the ability in my body To Build a human, 3D printer human Pulling a soul to that human I don't need a peer reviewed study Or a textbook to tell me how to do that Our body and our intuition and our minds And the subtle things happening inside us Are important They are incredible We have now been told That like you can't trust it And you are dangerous if you do that And I think that's one of the reasons why I think parents are very frustrated right now Is because parenting I'm not a parent yet but you know Callie is but like When we're being told now that parents are the enemy Fordusing their own judgment about their families and kids Like I think that's probably It's deeply frustrating to people And that's basically what we're being asked to do So Yeah I want to talk about Alzheimer's That was the other thing that I want to talk about When we talked about early puberty You mentioned the Escalating risks of Alzheimer's When did Alzheimer's become a thing Because I was reading this article That was saying that it was before The advent of seed oils You very, very, very rarely saw it If at all No, it's been exploding like every single other chronic condition I'll just quickly go It entice to Casey's point you just made This year in 2024 Is the highest rates in American history of Alzheimer's cancer, autoimmune conditions, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, kidney disease, autism Every single chronic disease you can think of is at an all -time high Growing at an increasing rate as we spend more money to treat those conditions So I think what one point we're trying to make Is that you know all the NIH, all the FDA It's all on accepting that trend is a given It's totally washed their hands of it And how do we find marginal pills to make this a little bit better Not asking why And that question about Alzheimer's the point we're trying to make Is that when it comes to chronic conditions Which Alzheimer's is You have to really not ask Alzheimer's question You have to ask why that's one branch on this tree obesity Right?

1:02:03This tree And we talk about And I think Casey has this amazing framework You can literally look at five biomarkers The biomarkers of metabolic dysfunction HDL, triglycerides, blood sugar, blood pressure, and your waistline And I'm not joking, I'm not being hyperbolic If we fired every single researcher And canceled every single grant in the US government for all chronic disease research And all nutrition research And created all policy to maximize those five biomarkers in America You by definition don't have type 2 diabetes You almost have a 0 % chance of getting heart disease You have very close to 0 % chance of getting Alzheimer's You are not obese by definition Literally you go down every single chronic condition that is torturing America And like if you're diabetic you're four times more likely to be depressed or suicidal Because there are cells in our head And diabetes is cellular dysregulation So like literally I'm not like on the research and the science thing I think there's great heroes who've been getting into the weeds on the research But chronic disease is interconnected to basic lifestyle factors I think this is a political issue on us Every American needs to ask Is this an incremental issue where we need slightly better pharmaceutical interventions And slightly better research Or is this a radical shift of understanding how our bodies are interconnected And understanding that that needs to be a shift in medicine And frankly how we view the environment Like that is a question that we actually think is relatively urgent and relatively existential Modern society is amazing But as Casey said this is dark right now Like if you believe what Casey's saying about these statistics about chronic disease And you actually look at the math that we're growing two times with healthcare Spitting the rate of GDP It's the largest and fastest growing industry in the country The fastest growing industry in the United States is not AI It's not tech It's healthcare And as it grows we get sicker, fat, or more depressed, more infertile It is going to bankrupt the country And it's not slowing down So if you actually believe this, believe we need a new paradigm Is it about getting better research?

1:04:03Or is it about actually saying the research is wrong This whole paradigm of seeing chronic disease in silos is wrong? So I'm sure you can talk more about Alzheimer's But it's interconnected Yeah, no I think the point about incrementalism versus radical Is the question we need to be asking ourselves Like we're not yeah And so in terms of Alzheimer's So I think something really interesting framing is that the brain You know it's only 2 % of our body weight But it uses 20 % of our body's energy And there's been this theory with Alzheimer's of like Oh it's the plaques in the brain It's the town and the tangles and the beta amyloid and all these things And so we thought Okay well if we can get rid of those with a drug Like maybe it'll improve But no Alzheimer's drugs really work meaningfully And more recently there's been this understanding of like Okay metabolic dysfunction is definitely going up We know metabolic syndrome and diabetes are going up And the brain uses 20 % of the body's energy And something that's happening in the body like diabetes is also happening in the brain There's then this interesting Chris Palmer talks about this In such an amazing way and his book Brain Energy But like we've somehow decided to separate the brain from the body As if they're different things When in fact they're all just made of cells They're all just made of cells that do the same things They need to do metabolism to keep the cell working So we've got this organ that uses 20 % of our energy And we've got 50 % of Americans with prediabetes or types of diabetes Which is fundamentally a metabolic issue and of course the brains basically underpowered It's not getting the energy it needs and that's going to express itself as dementia So it's been increasing in parallel with everything that's happening With our increasing diabetes rates And then the early onset to mention Alzheimer's disease That has tripled since 2013 So younger people And that makes sense though we've got 30 % of teens now with prediabetes That was like 0 % in the past You didn't have kids with the adult onset diabetes in the past And so you've got now 30 % of teens with prediabetes You've got middle aged people now 50 % with prediabetes or types of diabetes Of course that's also creating an energetic deficit So this neuro metabolic neuroenergetic theory of Alzheimer's Maybe with these cells crying out for health Help maybe some of these plaques that we're seeing are actually a protective mechanism The brain actually laying down almost like protective shielding It's a response to an underlying metabolic issue as opposed to the problem itself But of course in our paradigm we're like we just got to get rid of that symptom of the problem But in fact actually if we could unencumber the brain to be able to make energy properly Make good energy properly That's why our book is called Good Energy They would actually be able to heal itself and to have the power to do its work Which is cognitive thinking I was just going to say an amazing book about Alzheimer's That just hasn't gone as much attention as I think it should as Dale Bredeson's book The End of Alzheimer's because he talks about when you really look at the research There are about 36 different biomarkers and factors I think he calls them like the 36 holes in the roof of what creates Like if it's raining and you plug one hole Your house is still going to be filled with water You have to plug all 36 holes to prevent or reverse Alzheimer's to be Disease and of course all these are related in some way to metabolic health But it's things like your vitamin D levels, your insulin levels The amount of movement you're getting Vitamin D insulin B12, other things like that These things that we know are part and parcel with metabolic health And there was an amazing Lancet paper from a couple years ago that showed that If we just got on top of some of the basic modifiable factors of our metabolic health We could slash Alzheimer's rates from happening So I think, yeah, fundamentally it's one more branch on the tree That is rooted in this metabolic dysfunction in our body Which is fundamentally rooted in three processes that uniquely Really hurt the brain which is oxytocontrol dysfunction and chronic inflammation These are the three hallmarks of metabolic dysfunction And the brain is so sensitive and such a complex, high processing power organ That these core cellular disturbances that make up metabolic dysfunction Which are caused by our environment and cannot really be addressed with drugs Mitochondrol dysfunction, oxytocontrol, chronic inflammation They're showing up so prominently in the brain I'll just say, there's a question with all we're hearing about these diseases Is the reason Alzheimer's is skyrocketing Because we don't have enough research and don't have enough drugs Is the reason obesity rates are skyrocketing among kids Because we don't have enough drugs or not enough research That's the argument that's being given to us We literally being told, right, after the lessons of COVID Which the COVID lockdowns and what the pharmaceutical industry did with their co -option of our government The COVID was the most significant public policy mistake in American history, at least since World War II And modern times, I think we can all agree on We are still saying, and it's just people I think because we trust the medical system still so much We are literally thinking societally that the fact that there's an obesity crisis among six year olds It was a drug deficiency issue It's a dark, I think, blind spot in our culture right now The reason why I brought up Alzheimer's is a couple of reasons One, the amyloid plaque research Wasn't that proven to be flawed, deeply and maybe even corrupt And then there was another, there's something that came out very recently See if you can find this Jamie, I think J.

1:09:32Batataria might have tweeted it You were talking about the max look of air Yeah, a max look of air Yeah, so that there was rampant corruption We'll just coming out every day, we're hearing about a new premiere researcher Who's published hundreds of papers in their field Who literally are western blots Or one of these things you see in scientific papers that basically show you protein levels Like copied and pasted western blots in like papers across their career Like just made up data that then has served as foundational dogma for future research So you think about the ripple effect That's a rise too Yeah, yeah And so this, but this is, it really gets back to the core problem that's above all the problems Which is an incentive problem Like it's a simple economic incentive problem That's basically causing all these problems And I think it's that what we're striving for in this country is ultimately economic growth And value, that's like, that's what our, that is what we care about And so, you know, in each industry you see people fighting for that Including at the NIH, including researchers We're all motivated by this carrot that is destroying us And yeah, it's very, very dark Because, yeah Jamie, see if we can find that Max Lugavare Twitter wasn't working, it's not Twitter's off, it's on the Russians Max Lugavare posted it on Instagram as well Yeah, yeah, okay Over 100 N -I -H funded Alzheimer's and Parkinson's research papers contain Completely made up data according to new allegations Billions in funding and years of research now and serioused out Yeah, so that, so with, with Max actually, with Dr.

1:11:26J. Bhashari With Marty McCary, Chris Palmer, a number of voices We're engaging members of Congress, we're talking, you know, to Helping whatever we can with RFK and Trump's leadership on this But I had a somewhat out -of -body experience that kind of hits on On what you're getting at I was sitting across from the member of Congress And I think it's the exact same issue on OBC Who introduced this Treat and Reduce OBC Act Has 150 co -sponsors And it's to jam Government funded So it starts with Medicare 80 % of people on Medicare, old people, are obese or overweight So this second, this bill is signed You have open season on all people on Medicare And then the second, something's approved for Medicare It always goes to Medicaid for lower income people Because why would an old person be eligible for something If not a poor person in the United States So that's immediately goes to Medicaid, that's the game And then Medicaid, right, it's six years old It's now being pushed for on six -year -old So the second this bill is signed $1 ,600 per patient per month Tax pair money, which is why Nova Nordics Is the ninth most valuable coming in the world right now This Danish company expecting 90 % of their profits From the United States on expectation of this bill's passage So we're sitting across from him And I bring these things up And I bring up a simple question of Why is this one -size -fits -all jamming Ozympic into the average American's arm Instead of opening up flexibility To potentially explore regenerative food Or exercise Or incentivizing those things It's not even fully anti -drug But why is this a what like what clinicians said This is the cure, like this is the one cure Because it's not opening up any money for food Or exercise or any other Modality that can actually cure the root cause of obesity And he looked at me Fully, fully like serious And said I never thought of that And I told them that it's being pushed on kids And that there's an aggressive effort where Dr.

1:13:23Fatima Cody Stamford The top obesity research or Harvard Was funded significantly by Nova Nordics And millions of dollars in research grants And one on 60 minutes where the top funder of 60 minutes Is pharmaceutical companies Instead of obesity, obesity is a brain disease And genetic, she said that Top Harvard researcher And she said it needs to be aggressively intervened for kids And I said there's open season on kids The guy who introduced the bill He said that's not true I'm going to put in the bill that kids can't use it I'm like you'd be going against the FDA guidance on that You can't do that I go you understand based on the JP Morgan estimates Where they literally presented the estimates Of increasing obesity rates Of the JP Morgan conference in San Francisco And the all the investors Clap like seals, standing ovation Standing ovation as they presented a chart on rising obesity rates Showing that as ozimpic increases in prescription rates Obesity in the United States will increase Unpack that one for me, they show that graph And everyone claps Because it's a lifetime drug Because it's a crash diet, it's liquid anorexia It makes you not want to eat crash diets don't work And of course, you know more than 50 % of the people That even have insurance funding for it Go off of it within six months because it's the highest Rate of side effects of any mass drug Prescribed American history But he didn't know all that And he looked at me in the eye, the person who introduced this bill That is going to be the one of the most expensive bills in American history The market cap of the night most valuable company The most valuable company in Europe They passed LVMH, the fashion company The most valuable company you're rests on this bill This is the guy that essentially wrote it He said no no no, it's a short term solve Ozimpic's a short term solve Look at me right in the eye I'm like no, it literally says there's metabolic issues And it warns somebody going off the drug, it says you have to take it for life That's what he did not know that It wasn't like the corruption Is you have the Brad Winstrup If somebody wants to do something If we want to change the world, email members of Congress Email Brad Winstrup, call his office And say we think before we jab six drugs with ozimpic We should fix our food system This thought literally didn't occur to him So what's happening with this corruption What's happening with obesity With Alzheimer's Is the corruption is like it doesn't even get to people even understanding The boiling frog It's just obviously we're just going to find a drug Not ask why people are getting Alzheimer's Obviously we're just going to jam six -year -olds with ozimpic And not ask why people are getting obese And they literally get talking points in the room As he starts thinking about it, oh it's hard, dietary initiatives are hard It's like what's happening now is hard Like going to a playground with my two -year -old son And seeing every kid clearly having issues Clearly dealing with obesity Like six -year -olds, seeing processed food all over the playground What's happening now, poisoning ourselves and mass is pretty hard So there are simple ways to do this If Dr.

1:16:04Fauci in 2020 said COVID has strong metabolic links And we need to harden up our immune system It's a problem we're dying three times at a higher rate than the Japanese per capita That 16 % of all COVID deaths are in the US And we're like 4 % of the population This is a warning sign for our immune system We need to shift the healthcare budget to getting fit To incentivizing exercise, to fixing and talking to Will Harris and other regenerative farmers And consulting them on how to transform our food system Seeing that the medical system has co -opted what drugs are and what medicine is Like it's nothing short of a moral blind spot That food and exercise aren't seen truly as drugs That they aren't seen as interventions from the $4 .5 trillion we spent on medical systems They do that in Europe The Italians are three times less obese and diabetic than us I don't think the Italians are more vigorous I don't think Americans are lazier than Italians There's something systemic happening where they spend three times less per capita on healthcare And two times more capital food And they're living eight years long Eight years long?

1:17:03Well, and everybody notices it when you go over there and eat You feel good Eat that pizza It's like the only place in the world I can eat gluten Because it doesn't destroy my gut It's crazy It's crazy and it's weird that all these things that you say are so clear And they make so much sense It just doesn't have to be ignored Well, it speaks to capture Industry capture I met with Nancy Pelosi two weeks ago I looked at her in the eyes because we've been helping RFK helping Trump And we should talk about that I think there's a really, really important societal dynamic happening with that unison But I'm preparing as much as I can to foster this bipartisan conversation And I can tell you everyone in the room Right?

1:17:45Like, is horrified by these statistics But every time their staffers are slithering behind them And the healthcare staffers in Congress are waiting for their next job With the pharma industry or the insurance industry and they really drive the place to make the bills But a real problem with the corruption is these people making policies Literally chairs of healthcare committees The simple ideas you're talking about and we're trying to express a metabolic health On this simplicity really of why we're getting sick It's not being like corruption is like leading them to deny it It's like they just do not understand Like these meetings we're doing with and this hearing we did with Max and Brigham and others Julie Michaels and so many great people It literally was giving these ideas to these members of Congress for the first time There'll be a lot more on this but it's so simple But literally letting your lawmakers know I hear two things again and again for meeting with over 40 members of Congress It's like I don't understand this, I don't know this And my phone's not ringing off the hook If I go against pharma they're getting all the old people to call and say don't kill me Like to me this issue, why this issue's becoming so resonant is because we're all feeling And I think it's actually we're hitting on the most important issue in the country I think it's why everyone's flocking to books on this issue Why podcasts, like why your podcast is the number one podcast I mean I consider you, I've learned more about metabolic health and health care listening to guests on your show Then I think I think Casey's probably learned at Stanford Med School So it's like people left to their own devices are flocking to this and we need to channel We need to make a statement with our politics This is unfortunately a political issue So you were one of the people that helped sort of broker the deal with RFK and Trump and bring the two of those together Tell me how that got started, tell me how that worked out Yeah I mean when I think about that story I literally think about 2021 Our mom abruptly dying of pancreatic cancer She was taking a hike, got a pain or stomach, got a text the next day after getting a scan saying she has states for a pancreatic cancer We rushed to her side, she died 12 days later Just totally surprisingly, and Casey and I on her grave site literally hugged each other And said we want to write a book and we want to make this and evangelize this, inspire by you and others We want to evangelize this and add the chorus to prevent what's happening because so many Americans are on this pharmaceutical treadmill And then the cancer is random, it's not random Like all these warning signs that were missed with my mom, her prediabetes, her high cholesterol, her high blood pressure Those repelled not seen as gifts to get to the root cause and then she was chopped down by cancer This is happening to everyone so we want to evangelize that And we've been on the path as best we can with companies and evangelizing And through these amazing podcasts like Tucker, we got connected with people So got to know RFK, got to know Democrats and got to know the Trump campaign And in the past year, I will say this, the Trump campaign has been extremely interested in the policy of why kids are getting so sick And if you go back a year ago, President Trump actually at rallies to loud applause has been talking very similar points to RFK So we got to know RFK Sitting watching the first assassination attempt, I had like a spiritual, what I can call it, kind of out of body experience And I felt the need to call Robert I think what he has done is historic, the fact that he was getting up to 20 % of the vote Highlighting this issue, tapping in I think to this consciousness and tapping into this stream that you're tapping into I think it really showed something And I had this vision for a year actually, it sounds very woo -woo But I was in a sweat tint with him in Austin at a campaign event six months before And I just had this strong vision of him standing with Trump And what RFK represents is actually what Trump represents And actually what almost every Americans feeling, which is this frustration and this rigged thing And this stuff, thing that doesn't quite feel right, that you can't quite put your finger on And it was so clear to me that how RFK talks about health personifies this overall kind of institutional capture It makes it real for people in a really visceral way because it's clearly impacting their kids So that was all the context, pick up the phone, called him and just urged him As a supporter, as a lowly supporter to consider maybe this is the time as President Trump put his fist up With all this momentum, there's rare moments in history where the debt can change And I really felt and he felt like this could be a realignment of American politics Because that moment felt very heavy after the assassination So we went back and forth and he asked to, he's like, let me talk to him So I worked with Tucker and we connected them that night And here's the key point I want to make for my small vantage point here They had weeks of conversations And there was not a discussion of polling There was not a discussion of the horse race and how this would impact the race These were key field conversations about why kids are getting so diabetic About why we have such obese children in the United States, about why we have a fertility crisis Like this was a true connection of these two men and a true deep bond Which I think you're seeing out there in the campaign trail That this transcends politics and this wants to Trump wants this to be a generational issue for him And I just want to say something I think we're at a big moment here We're debating trivia Like I think the two most existential issues are nuclear war or what's happening to our health And whatever you think, I used to be a never -trunker Watching him care about this issue, watching what's happening with the RFK, watching what's happening Of how that's resonating with voters Seeing from my small vantage point inside, there is tremendous connection of these two men And moral clarity of seeing what's happening And my question is this, and to anyone kind of considering voting in this election Trump is going to say stupid shit He is Trump, we know who he is There's two important questions to ask Who sees this corruption and institutional capture that's going to destroy our country I think to an existential level And who is willing to suffer that blowback?

1:23:53Who is willing to go up against these military industrial complex, the healthcare industrial complex The education industrial complex that's making us non -competitive Like they are ready, who is going to a point? This is a question I have Who do we believe is going to appoint people like RFK, people like Elon Musk to stir stuff up Who is going to do that? That to me is the foundational question And I do consider this the most important election of my lifetime watching these two men Because it is so genuine And there is like a genuine desire to truly transform, to see our broken corruption and institutions for what it is And really truly, I think prevent nuclear war And dramatically reverse our health crisis Trump has said that his one big mistake last time was personnel Was that the pharma and the ag slithered in and gave him the list of names Everybody should ask do you think RFK is going to have an influence on those names based on what Trump has said?

1:24:56And I think he is and I think people like Elon are going to be involved I think there's this coalition of people that are coming together and Trump is going to put him power and listen to And this is a bipartisan issue And no matter what happens we have to solve this issue But I will say this so clearly with the most conviction I can We will be on the verge I think of a health population collapse, societally destabilizing event In less true executive leadership sees this corruption and this issue for what it is And says we need a radical transformation in how we see agriculture and how we see health are two largest industries I think we have to have that and every single member of Congress I meet with including Democrats Say that in order for this issue to get done we need a president to make this the priority to talk Because that gives us air cover and there could be transformational change if a president does that So that's what I've seen from being in this and I can tell you President Trump has kept every promise to RFK And deeply cares about this issue It also seems like if this isn't done now they will take steps to make sure it can never be done in the future Look what they're saying about free speech Yeah right now you know you probably covered this this it's just absolutely Wild the free speech comes from the rigging of the scientific research Bill Gates said this week That we need immediate AI to scour the internet and take any vaccine misinformation out of the internet Automatically on any format any private web page this is wild And he said because the second that virus spreads in people's minds it's the damage is done So his number one use case for AI is to scour the internet and remove any vaccine misinformation from the internet That is because the largest and fastest growing industry in the country has completely co -opted the most trusted parts of the country There's no higher level than the NIH than Harvard med school they know that Harvard med school is a subsidiary pharma Just just demonstrably the FDA is 75 % funded by pharma like like like it's isn't a skin conspiracy and there's a revolving door And you got you got You've got people like Scott Gottlieb I think the people like Trump's talking about still thinking he's gonna have power This person that goes straight to Pfizer And you got him and people like this and I met with many of them Okay of course this book is amazing good energy is amazing the food you know of course we got to get kids healthier We got we got to work with pharma we got to work with the you know we got to work with all the stakeholders insurance companies You know we got to be incremental here there's a war right now between incrementalists and radical change We are living in a great time but we have existential threats and the question before everyone in this very important election Is do we need more incrementality or do we need a fundamental rethink of some of our major systems I really think that's what's before us and as Casey said I think we're in a good period of history right now certainly But we're facing I think more existential threats that I really think we don't fully appreciate This is it's such a unique time and it seems like without a person that's a total outsider like Trump That's being so attacked the fact that they it's not just that they disagree with them they attack them It's that they do it in unison they do it so coordinated that you realize there is a machine behind this And that they repeat the same talking points over and I mean it's like they're given a script and that there's no repercussions for lies There's with the russian gate stuff with all the various different things that have been concocted to try to take him out There's no no one gets in trouble and the same people are still disseminating the news and More people I think are aware of that than ever before and more people aware of this institutional capture And I think this is why the freedom of speech issue is actually so important and so existential Because the thing that gives me hope right now like this all sounds dark But we're both extremely optimistic But if the ability to talk about these issues is taken away That is when I would lose hope right because the fact that you know independent media is the most Listen to form of media on planet earth right now that is a good thing we can still discuss ideas And the light can connect across the globe But when you start severing that ability like there's a beautiful force happening right now I think we all see it like people are waking up people understand that there's a problem like we see this every day And you know Twitter has its issues and whatnot But like people are talking and connecting from around the world to try and figure out how to Solve these issues that we all know on some level in the quietness of our heart are really big big deal And that the time is now and if that gets taken away I worry about what's going to happen Well and it is getting taken away in some formats There was something I believe I retweeted it see if you can find it about YouTube taking down a podcast for medical misinformation And there was none And this is without Twitter without acts without Elon buying it And this person being able to post it I think was Schellenberger Was it Schellenberger?

1:30:25You see my Twitter feed is it up there?

1:30:31Well this is the... Oh here we go It's below the... Hold on I mean we need people like Dr. J in power

1:30:44Maybe I didn't tweet it Should we ratings the Constitution? Is the First Amendment a major roadblock? Like these are questions Yeah I can talk a little like this game is known So it's just like it may be obvious but I don't think people realize this The reason there's such a fight against you is because it's this 100 year change of information sources where the biggest issues in the country can no longer dictate Right what the information sources are So when we worked for... When I worked for Pharma The advertising budget, all this stuff you hear about like how much they spend on cable news And it's 50 % of TV news spending is Pharma It wasn't to impact consumers, it was into impact the news itself Like the spend on news shows came out of DC lobbying offices Not the New York, like Madison Avenue, like advertising offices It was like we're gonna put our budget, it was like the lobbying budget It was like we're gonna pay off all the news so we have a direct line So if you're paying 50 % and a huge funder of all the tech companies adds their ad companies Then you've got a direct line And then you've got the Harvard study So when you have the Harvard study that's fully funded by Pharma or the food industry Like the food industry process, food spends 13 more times more on Fundational nutrition research than the NIH But even the NIH is really conflicted saying that lucky terms are healthier than beef Literally You've got those studies So what is this person at the news station or YouTube to do when you've got the Harvard study They've realized that you can weaponize this thing So that's how it's connected And then time and time and time again I hear from members of Congress on major committees That's the corruption, that's where the corruption happens They got the lobbyists just throwing studies If you put restrictions on childhood nutrition on federally funded school lunch programs Which is the top source one of them of calories for young kids If you take sugary cereal like Lucky Charms off that you're going into the science You're going into the NIH You can't be asking for farm fresh eggs, farm fresh eggs are down here, Lucky Charms are up here Like it's funny these studies but that's what they do with them And then I hear time and time again from these members of Congress who are good people But it's like, I'm a military guy or I come from business, I don't understand this stuff You just got to defer So that's how the corruption works and that's how the research connects to PR

1:33:21No, I know I saved it So give me one second and I'll pull it up off on my phone because I definitely saved it if I didn't retweet it But I think one of the things that we keep highlighting that I think is very important is that most people are not even really aware of this This is very new to most people in the zeitgeist of the common person The common person who has just trusted their physician and trusted the medical establishment I don't think this requires a real shift in consciousness of people and a real understanding of what's going on But there's pings of that consciousness happening That's why I think the leadership is so damn important here Joe, it's like when this stuff is under the shadows And when the FDA is able to lobby to fund the organization that's supposed to regulate it When the USDA is lobby, excuse me, when food companies are lobbying To have the USDA not have any conflicts of interest When these things, there's not attention on them And the Americans aren't being explained in this mass corruption that's compromising all of our scientific guidelines and standard of care Where $4 .5 trillion of incentives flows to But I would push back I don't think it's fully formed in people's heads But I think people are clamoring to put these pieces together And that is what I think RFK is standing on a stage with Trump And then grasping hands and saying make America healthy I think it was one of the biggest political realignments and important moments in American history Kennedy endorsing Trump I think a lot of us feel it I think you see it on the ground This Kennedy Trump thing is powerful The media denigrates it But Kennedy is explaining this The media denigrates it But I don't think people have any faith in the media anymore Even the New York Times, which used to be the number one I don't think people have faith in the media anymore They're clamoring, they're clamoring to this message Like watching RFK and Trump at a rally It's the most electric political experience I've ever seen Like it was the loudest applause I've ever heard There's something visceral When RFK starts talking about this CDC Needing Dr.

1:35:31J. Bartosharia on there And the FDA, you know, and the NIH And starts naming those agencies And starts saying we're going to get to the bottom of why our food for our kids is poison And we're going to reverse childhood of chronic disease By taking on this corruption When they say that, it's electric It's like a release So it's everything everyone's been listening to you at reading these books Trying to put the pieces together I think RFK is more effectively putting the pieces together And I think people ask President Trump eats unhealthy No Now President Trump's the foundation of his existence Is taking on corruption Like that is why he's on the political stage That is why he's been the defining for whatever you think of And the defining political figure of our generation Like because he's tapped into this frustration of voters That something isn't quite right But in that they're good people And if we can get this corruption out of the way that he's staying in the way of this corruption And we can unleash the American people If we get this corruption out of the way That thesis is correct Like what he has tapped into is the defining Political trend of our lifetime So this populist uprising that's happening throughout all the world He has tapped into that in a very powerful way He's talked for a long time About pharmaceutical corruption in these issues He understands it innately But RFK really I think better than anyone alive Is sharpening this issue And he's arguing it's we're trying to argue It's very simple it's actually not that complicated You just need to put Truly as a first step Put Dr.

1:36:56J. Bosch are you at the CDC Put someone who's not trying to get their next job at Pharma Who's aligned with this fundamental agenda At the NIH, at the FDA, at the HHS And then have people like Elon Elon saying he wants to run government efficiency He wants to look at how government's performing HHS is the largest And the most expensive Department and all of government What if someone like Elon So people like Bill Lackman Who are joining this cause What if they were given an executive order To analyze the HHS Against the goal of promoting health and thriving and disease reversal For the American people You have the smartest people in the world doing that I mean you'd have radical change Like if you can read If you can learn what the Pharma has known for the past 30 years That co -opting our institutions of the trust Everything else is downstream of that There's nothing upstream in culture Or trust of those agencies Because where do we go about that?

1:37:53So they dictate everything They dictate the nutrition guidelines They dictate our agriculture instead of They dictate our standard of care That jamming a drug down 40 % of teens' throats right now If you can not co -op them like Pharma is doing But get them back to unbiased science The NIH right now 95 % of NIH grants The spending is on marginal pharmaceutical R &D It's literally an outsource R &D lab for Pharma Every person listening would expect the NIH Job is to do foundational research That's literally what everyone's like It's not not at all If you just with a swipe of a pen and leadership Just demand day one That the NIH goes back to population Wide fearless studies about why we're getting sick That's what we need We literally need the NIH only asking that question Why are we getting sick?

1:38:38What variables are tied to chronic disease Have you anticipated what kind of backlash And how this would be handled Like what kind of backlash would you get From these captured institutions If this did happen If Trump and RFK Get into office And they start implementing these policies And changing things And bringing new people at the helm There's one candidate, they're shooting it Yeah There's one candidate Executive leadership is existential to this issue Like I, like I have a company I'm meeting with members of both sides This doesn't change without executive leadership It's just factual statement I hate that health is political It's not, it's by person It is political the next 40 days This will not change if this issue resonates And if we believe that what's happening To our soil and to our bodies And to our kids health is really the most important issue It doesn't change without strong moral clarity And executive leadership Even if the person says stupid shit And tweets weird stuff Right but even if they do get an office This is my point, what happens Like have you thought about this Like the amount of money we're talking about These people losing Every single member of Congress Let me make this super clear I want everyone to understand this It's powerful these interests But we all know that I think we can feel this too They're not monolithic It's a paper tiger We can overcome this It's because there's not focus And marshalling of the American people And light on these things Every single member of Congress tells me They said the only thing that beats money Is grassroots focus Is Americans focusing on the issue The most powerful issue in American politics Actually aren't money issues They're grassroots issues Guns abortion Those aren't money issues Those are issues that people are focused on and vote on So what Trump and RFK are starting to do Is really tie the foundation of Trump's candidacy In my opinion Which is really taking the corruption out of the swamp And there's other issues Of course we got to get the border rights Defense, economic agenda But health care is a glaring example of that Where there's been focus on the campaign And a promise of focus In real political I think validity in focusing on that Because people are getting really fired up I can't express this enough Watch the rallies with RFK and Trump There's real visceral political focus on that So if that anger If that same energy stream That's leading people to listen to your podcast And leading people to flock to Elon And leading to I think people, frankly, to go back to church Millennials are flocking back to religion Like there's all these streams inside Where people are kind of like trying to check If leadership can channel that These are paper tigers But you need the president To say, FU To these industries that are profiting from kids being sick And tell Congress I'm giving you air cover Tell those lobbies to get the hell out of your office That's the message from the president With that leadership Now, are these powerful interests Is this the biggest industries in the country Are these the most powerful industries in the country Yes, but again Whatever Trump is tweeting Whatever he's saying You have to just ask yourself And this comes from a person who used to be An ever -trumper Like who has the courage to stand up to these interests Who has the courage Does anyone think that Trump is afraid to put RFK Put Elon Put brave doctors in charge To put people that are distrustful The military industrial complex in charge of our military Like does anyone think he's not going to do that Does anyone think he's going to really stand their way And not take some blowback from these industries He said this very clearly The biggest mistake of his last presidency Was not trusting his gut Was listening to the list of people From the industry Well, it's also I would imagine If I talked to him My number one question would be What happens when you get in there Like what is that experience like Because no one really knows Until you're in office They don't tell you how it's going to go down If you don't make it They don't reveal all that Like what is that experience like And how can you prepare for it Without actually being elected president?