#2214 - Shane Smith

23:43That's it. Oh, look at that. Yeah. Well, with Johnny Cashville about his Rolls Royce getting tested. I think you'd fucking love it because I was that with Rick Rubin in that car yesterday. But that's Johnny Cash, not Johnny Carson. Johnny Cash. Right. Didn't you say Johnny Carson? No, Johnny Cash. You said you had the number one show on TV. Yeah, the Johnny Cash for a rainy hour. Why didn't you say that? Oh my god. So ABC gave him this car and, and yeah, I had it made into, I was with Rick Rubin in that yesterday. We were driving around in it. It's, and it dry, it's so fucking fast and it drives like a fucking crazy boat.

24:20Wow. You got to come out. Yeah. Yeah, drive it. So you took a Tesla model S and converted it. Yeah. These are the dudes who did it. Wow. And we read it all that wood now. So it's all the original black monhogany from, from, from, so when the batteries go bad, you can just swap the batteries out. It's plugged in. No, you just put it in. No, but eventually the batteries will deteriorate to the point where you would get really low mileage. You probably get low mileage already, right? I think that things have your shit. Cause it's heavy, it's heavy, it's heavy. Oh god, that's a beautiful, you must have to upgrade the brakes in a big way.

24:49Cause it's very heavy. Fucking beautiful car though. This is such a good car. Cause when I came out to LA, I'm like, I'm going to get a shit brown egg of the Christie Rolls Royce and an MS -13 driver with like the full 13 and like a safety. Am I late for the pochie? Hello. And so, and so I got this one and I'm just, it's fucking awesome. Wow. That's so cool. Yeah. They're doing, there's, you ever heard of the company called Everradi? Yeah. They're, they do, they do the electric, the swap overs. Yeah, they do swap overs for, I know they do. They do porches. Yeah. I think they do a Mustang as well.

25:23But they take these classic cars. The problem is like, you're not supposed to do that. You're not supposed to do it. This thing is fucked up. I will say this. I don't have any desire to have one of these things, but I think they're dope as far. They're dope as far. Like, but the thing is like, for me, I see that. Oh, that's disgusting. Get that off the screen. I see that that does disturb me to know. You took a GT 40 and turned an electric. The thing about those old cars is the mechanical feel. And that is 90 % of the experience of driving one of those old cars. Well, this car barely ran like the pro, it was fucked.

25:56Yeah, but you could get a resto model. You could rest a model. Anyway, I love this. But the thing is like, they're supposed to have, I, I could see doing it with Johnny Cash's car. It's kind of funny, but you, you do into that. You should go to jail. Yeah. You do that to a GT 40. You should go right to jail. What's the power as it is? It's great. Yeah. Well, not really originally, you know, this is the, this is Ferrari versus Ford. This is the original car. I actually have the next version of that, which is the Ford GT. I have one of the 2005 ones that's a stick shift. I feel like if you drive a car like that, you have to drive a manual.

26:30It can only go to 160 miles. Right. And that's if you're driving like a grandma, but it has 800 horsepower. It's probably fast as shit. You know, electric cars are different than any other car in terms of the speed that you get the way it feels to just go, but there's no sound. It was part of that car is.

26:52That's that car. That car is like visceral. It's exciting. There's an engine behind you. It's like, let's go, baby. Come on, Shane. You love it. You feel it in the turn. You want to feel the bumps. You want to feel the fucking steering in your hand, the wiggling of the tires. It's a ride. It's not efficient. It's not supposed to be efficient. It's an experience. It's a sensory overload. It's not just transportation. That's why turning one of those things into electric is gross. I did it because it was burning fuel. It was burning black. It's like barely fucking ran. That car is fun. Yeah. So it's so it's so love it.

27:28But the thing of my long winded answer to that question was I started, I collected all this shit like you were saying, it doesn't bring you any fucking back. It does for you. Because I just go, you know what? All of that shit. I was just talking to Rick about this too. I'm just going to get rid of it. The more I free myself from that shit and all that stuff, you're just like, you know what? Psychic burden. I used to go speaking to the old days of ice. I had everyone who used to laugh because I go for it literally years with a backpack. And I just be like, well, I wear as black jeans and black t -shirt.

28:01I just buy new ones if I need something. You just go to a pharmacy. So you want to my, to this day, like if I go to a fucking pharmacy in an foreign country, I'm stoked because it means I'm getting shit that I need like shampoo and fucking toothpaste in a little scissors from my nose hairs and shit. And that means like, I'm on top of my game. I'm fucking ready to go. I get to fucking interview people and do shit because I've gone to the fucking pharmacy. And, and, and, you know, to, I love going to fucking supermarket because you just like, I'm going to buy some fucking food and then we're going to go do some work and it's going to fucking awesome.

28:31That should give me pleasure. Yeah. I'm not going to watch or fucking yeah. A car or shoes or fucking nothing. Yeah, most of those, they're cool. They're cool. I'm interested in engineering and, and artwork, right? And I like, that's why I have so much art in this place. I love people's expression. Yeah. And I feel like cars are artwork. That's how I view cars. Sure. Especially old cars. I have a lot of old cars and those old like, I'm a big muscle car. I'm a muscle car. Oh, my. 1960s to early 1970s muscle cars. That's what I love. I love them. I love them. I drive them like they're just, it's like, I'm an amusement park ride.

29:11That's how I feel about them. And I just, when I was a kid, those were the cars that everybody wanted. So to me, it's like, I get a real joy. But if I didn't have them, I'd be fine. Yeah. If I just drove my Tesla to work every day, I would be fine. Like the level of happiness you get in terms of like, how much you have to work for some things. It's not worth it. It's not worth it. It's too many people strive for this thing that doesn't give you anything back. Yeah. It's just this thing that's hard, just because something's hard to get. Yeah. Doesn't mean it's good to get. And there's a lot of things that people strive for that are difficult to achieve, but they're not valuable when you get there.

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32:48It's so beautiful. I have a 69 that has been completely redone by this guy Steve Strope. So nice. And it's the craziest. No, it's never ever. This one is incredible because it's understated. It's understated. It's not like it's a powerful beast and it's bad ass looking. But it's not like a Ferrari. Like, you know, Ferrari's can be beautiful. It's different. It's different. It's a different flex. You know, the Ferrari you just have money. That's my that's a Nova. That's mine. That's my 69. I know. I love it. Look at that. That's like exactly hers was gold. I still remember that. Mine is like it's got 1969 Camaro Fenders.

33:26So they made it like wider so they could fit large attires and tubbed it out. It's all custom and as a supercharged. That's not for that. That's what the orange and did not look like. Yeah, that's a it's a very efficient driving car, but it's just so fun. It's just like you drive that thing. It's just this experience of sounds. And to me, it's like those cars are the ones that resonate with me. Yeah. So I have, but if I only had one, I would be fine. I just like them every now and then, but they're not they're not the thing. They're not the end all be all. They're not family, friends, love, community.

34:06There's always things that people put those objects above. They put above everything in your life. You strive for that thing because it's a symbol of success. Yeah. And it's nonsense. So I had a speaking of psychological damage as for things. I grew up poor about when I was a very rich girl. And it was her birthday, right? We were in France. It was her birthday. And her uncle had forgotten her birthday. And so he says, oh, here, you know, take my watch, kind of thing. And they're like, no, no, no, no, like that watch is like $50 ,000 watch. Whatever. And I was like, it's no fucking watches worth $50 ,000.

34:43Like $50 ,000 like watch. And it was like a classic, protect, fucking moon face, whatever. And I remember clocking to watch. And when I got money, I became obsessed with the classic protect, which is now like 500 grand, not 50 grand, the moon face. And that's so crazy that a watch is $500 ,000. Oh, some of them are like $5 million. I mean, that nuts. Yes. And so like those are Richard, melee watches. Yeah, I mean, the most expensive are still protects. But yeah, like those ones or, I mean, rare ones, like I was obsessed with. So I like to Paul Newman Panda, but they have like the lemon or the champagne panda, which is the gold version of that, which, which they made like four of.

35:28And I want, I was chasing that down. And now I'm like, what the fuck? You can't fucking wear it. Right. Like every place I go, you can't fucking wearing it. Like I was fine here. And you can't put it to security. You know, so what the fuck you, what the fuck is? Why can't you put it through security? You think they would snatch it? Oh, watches get snatched all the time. Yeah, but then where's my watch? Yeah. Which is like it goes through the little thing. Yeah. Like how fast there's people. There's so many. It's not happened to me. Although I have nearly lost them many times, because you know, you get, you have a few ails on the plane and take your shit off and box and then there's even something.

36:02Oh no. I've never done it, but it's been close calls, but there's so many stories in the watch world about you're going to customs, you're going to security, you're going to somewhere, someone takes your fuck. I've had a lot of people who were like, how much does that watch? And you're like, uh, fake. I was just saying it's fake. Anyway, so I'm getting rid of all that shit, just because you're like, fucking, fucking doesn't fucking mean anything. Yeah. And what actually does mean, shit, it's like you were saying, like, you know, learning shit, like, like making shit but also at the same time, like going like, I'm learning shit.

36:34Yeah, it's fun. Get some stimuli happy. Look, I'm fucking back talking to you. I'm, it's like, it's, it's, it's fucking interesting. It's good for your brain positivity, you know, yeah. It's good for your mental health. Good for your mental health. It's also, it's what life is about. Life is about growth. It's about learning. It's about experiencing things. And when you get an opportunity to talk to someone, like, I talked to this one the other day, Diane Boyd, I'm sure with this book, a woman amongst wolves, she spent her entire life tracking wolves and handling them and collaring them and studying them.

37:07And she lived in a cabin in the woods for years by herself with no water and no electricity. Love it. Yeah, fascinating. Like, just like, you're a totally different type of person that I ever experienced. What's your life like? What do you do? Like, what do you think about this? I'm gonna start writing. Think about that. Yeah. Out of wolves. Yeah, I mean, it's to me, there's so many opportunities in this life to be stimulated by exciting and interesting things. Yeah. Where you can learn about stuff. 100%. And if you can figure out how that's your job and it's not just something that you do on the bus on the way home, but it's actually your job, that's a good life.

37:42Definitely. I mean, for me, that's what I love doing. I like talking to people and I like learning. And I like, you know, if you're learning, shit, and other people obviously do podcast, you're there learning. And it's just, it's an awesome thing to be able to do. Is there a way to do something like the original vice, but just keep it small? So we're trying to never let it grow? Like listen, the vice news right now is me. And I'm making podcasts. I'm doing shit that I find interesting. Is it still vice? Do you call it vice? Yeah. I mean, vice news is still one of the owners. Like how does it work?

38:13I mean, it's it's complicated. You don't have to get into the woods. Yeah, it's complicated. I mean, it's complicated. I'm not like I, I was the largest shareholder. And then I went to owning nothing. I lost the most out of anybody. Not that I'm asking anybody to fucking cry from anything. It was actually a good thing because you, you like when you realize a lot of this stuff, about happiness and stuff, you realize it not when you're cash and checks. You know, not a com, see never a good captain made. You know, but yeah, throughout the all the, you know, the changes, basically I was still in the, in the backdrop, you know, just around.

38:51Why didn't you sell when it got at the top? Why didn't you get rid of your shares? Actually, that's the whole, the whole thing about, I did, I sold some and, and, you know, took some money off the table, which is why I could send my retire. But everyone's like, you know, Shane, you could have sold, should have sold, he said, no, he said, I've never said no, money in my whole fucking life. I was building my stuff to sell it. I never fucking said no, that's all fucking horses. We tried to sell it to time order, tried to sell it to Disney. It was just like, you know, when Disney said no, we went into private equity.

39:27And then, you know, that relationship never is good. So, well, it's the old adage Go Won Go Broke. And that's what happened with Vice. People stopped. They just stopped. Vice is one of the best examples of Go Won Go Broke ever. Because Vice was fucking huge and it was exciting. It was interesting. You know, you had great shows. And then it just got too weird. Yeah. I mean, yes, media got weird. And look, everyone's looking at for us. And then we can get on the other ship. But, you know, who left the fucking port hole open of the Titanic? You're like, yeah, hit a fucking iceberg. Not just us. You know, look at all the new media.

40:06Like culture. Five companies take up 87 cents of every advertising dollar in the world. And independent media gets the rest. And it's getting smaller and smaller. The money dries up. And when the money dries up, you start getting frantic. Right? You start fucking flailing around looking for shit. Whatever you start looking for solutions. Other people start looking for solutions. Young people start fucking saying, this is what we got to do. This is what we got to do. And you got 5 ,000 people saying what we got to do rather than five. And you got people who are semi -checked out. If not checked out.

40:38And, you know, shick about setting. Nobody's fucking, it's my baby. Nobody got fucking more sick about it than me. But you're like, okay, you know, so now, you know, we're doing, vice news is me, we're doing the podcast. We're doing, it's fun again. We're just fucking building, trying to do new shit with fucking AI and with some other stuff. It's fun. And, but yeah, I do other shit on my own. And, you know, look, the other thing too is, I also spent time living my life, which I hadn't been doing. I'm sure you can do it out here. You got to go and you got to live your life again. You have to live your life.

41:11You have to live your life. This idea that your career should be your whole life is foolish. It's foolish. It's foolish. And I know how much time, you know, how much time. I was talking to somebody, you're Gen X? Yeah, I got 67. What's that? You're Gen X? Yeah. I was saying to someone because we were the forgotten generation. And everyone like, I was shitting on it. And I was saying to someone, if you look, you know, the Carl Sagan thing of like, we live in the greatest envelope of history ever, like, of the billions of planets and the billions of years of this planet, like, we live in this final time when there's oxygen and there's water and you can fucking eat and you can fucking, you know, and then I'm like, okay, if you look at that and then go, the best ever time has been like our little window.

41:55Like, in the 60s, you go up in the 70s, you fucking free to go playing a quick and fucking, you know, go hunting and fishing and all that shit. And then, you know, no parental supervision. But there's never been like a major fucking warning. We were not getting pitchforked in the stomach. You know, food has been like for the first time really in history. Food is now everywhere is good for every kind of, you know, like, quality wise, you know. Travel, luxury, you fucking international travel, like being able to do freaky jobs rather than working a factory to the, like, all these fucking things happen for Gen X.

42:28And God knows if it happens again, because AI is going to be all human and never done by machines and environmental shit and fucking, you know, the world is changing in ways we can't even fucking imagine. I have kids and all the parents were clocking like hands about, like they're not learning a math. You're like, it's AI is going to change fucking everything. And so, so I'm like, I was talking to someone and saying, it's ironic, but Gen X actually lived in the greatest historical window of all time, potentially. And so I'm not going to just fucking not enjoy that. I'm going to go out there in life and just be like, I'm literally living in the greatest single fucking window in the history of history.

43:09We most certainly have. And we've lived in the greatest time of technological change in human history. We started out like you and I can remember when phones were attached to the wall. Yeah. I remember when it was a, we had to spin the wheel. It was an event call. You got a call. And if you fucked up, like, God damn it. You gotta hang up and start from scratch. Took a long time to make a phone. Joe, there's a phone call for you. Right. And when people would call and you were on the phone, it would just be busy. Yeah. When is he getting off the phone? You call him back. God damn, he's still busy.

43:45And then it became call waiting. Oh, big big. Hold on. Someone else is calling. Yeah, I got someone else. Maybe they're more important than you. Hopefully, please. And then he come back and then it was caller ID. Oh, this motherfucker's calling. Fuck him. And then answer machines were the greatest. And when you could get a remote answer machine. So I could call my answer machine and listen to you. Leave me a message. Hey, meet me at the bar at 10. And I'd call you back and leave a message on your machine. Hey, I got your message. I'll meet you at the bar at 10. I love that. It was incredible. I love that.

44:19It was incredible. I'll see you on Saturday at 8. But we were also free from the confines of social media. Yeah. And social media has brought an incredible amount of information to people. But it's also also created a lot of very mentally ill people. Whether they realize it or not. It's like you're getting a low dose of radiation all day long every day. But it's also addictive. Yes. Very, very, very addictive. It's super dopamine hits. Uh -huh. Yeah. And then it could be psychologically very damaging if you read stuff about yourself. And I've had many friends that started becoming successful and then started doing really well and then started reading people's comments.

44:59The hate is crazy. And it drives them nuts. It hurts their feelings. It really does. I mean, oh poor baby. But I mean, really. As a human being. As a human being. Yeah. They're human beings. And I know that the people look. If I was not a famous person, I was a person that, you know, was like who I was when I was 19 years old, I would 100 % be leaving shitty comments on YouTube videos. And shitty comments on someone's Instagram or Twitter or whatever. It's what people do. It's normal. It's not the people's fault. Because it's a very disconnected, disassociated way of communicating with people that's not congruent.

45:36It's not like it's not normal for human communication. It's not what we're designed. We're designed to do this. I'm looking at you. You look at me. I smile. You smile with buddies. We have a good time. That's how people are used to communicating with each other. When you're communicating with people through text, it's fucking bizarre. It's very bizarre. It's very different. And it's not good for you to take in the opinions of hundreds of thousands of people. That may or may not be mentally ill, may or may not be going through the divorce. Yeah, have an axe to grind. Or just look, if you're successful in particular, there's a lot of unsuccessful people that are very bitter, very sad, and they want to find everything wrong with you.

46:16We were talking about this in the green room last time. I fucking loved the new Beetlejuice movie. I loved it. I read so many bad reviews of it. So many bad reviews that it felt flat. I had a giant smile on my face the whole time. I'm a huge Tim Burton fan. I think the guy is brilliant. And I think his movies are so unique because they have this fingerprint of Tim Burton on them. It's like it's so obviously through his mind, his vision. I think the guy is incredible. I love all his films. So for me, I was like, oh, this is great. When they got to the Soul Train, I was like, yes, I love it. This is so Tim Burton.

46:51And so many people criticize that in particular. There was something offensive about the Soul Train. Fuck off. Also, people say shit about fucking restaurants and shit. Everything. And I'm like, yeah, it's fucking great. Every fucking cheeseburger. I love cheeseburgers. It's fucking good. Some guy for the New York Times wrote a negative review about Peter Luger's stay -cowson Brooklyn. Peter Luger's stay -cowson Brooklyn is a fucking classic. If I'm anywhere near that area, I'm eating there. 100%. That place is sensational. It was near our old vice office. And we, when we didn't have any money, the hack was you go there, order lunch to go, and you order the burger, because it's all the ends of the steaks.

47:32And the fucking killer burger, and you take it down to the river, and you look at Manhattan and have this, it was $5 burger at the time. And you're like, this is the greatest fucking lunch in the greatest city. I fucking love any of that. If I can make it there. And I was like, fucking New York, man. This is Peter Luger, the fucking burger. And fucking, there's Manhattan. And we're gonna fuck it. I just, but this review is so toxic. And Ari and I had just eaten there. We had just been, no, Ari, I should fear. We had just, sorry, we had just been there like a month before. And we're like, what the fuck are you talking about?

48:05We had one of the best meals of our life. It's also an experience. Yeah, it comes to a thing. It's butter on it, the smell. Oh, yeah. It's so nice. I get into fucking best. All the guys who work there, been there for 35 years. Shout out to Peter Luger's. But it's the point, it's like even a place like that, that you should go there and just take in what you're experiencing. You're experiencing a classic old school stay -couse. It does it exactly the same way every time. I have been forever. Forever. Forever. But it's just that people, even in that, will find negativity. Everything sucks. And I think we were talking about this last night that I think this is a symbol of the times we're going through right now.

48:46Because everyone is so anxious. The presidential elections are headed and no one knows what the fuck is going to happen. Or what's the right answer? Is it better if she gets in? Is it better if he gets in? Is he going to be a dictator? Is she going to crack down on a free speech? Are we going to be in World War III? What's happened? Does Iran have a fucking nuke? Was that earthquake a nuke? Or was it just an earthquake? There's a nuclear test. The weather. Why has God hate Florida? Like, all these different things. Like, there's so much going on. Israel and Gaza and the Middle East. Fuck man. And so everyone is like, fuck Tim Burton.

49:21Fuck that movie. Fuck this. Fuck that. Fuck that restaurant. It's like, it's just the zeitgeist. It's disturbed. We don't have. It's not a peaceful time in our... A lot of anxiety. Yeah. And I don't... I think we're missing out on the reality of our existence, which if we lived at any other time, we lived in 1924. And you got a time machine to go to 2024. You'd be like, holy shit. Holy fuck this is good. This is amazing. Or 1824. Oh, yeah. When you go get stabbed with a fucking band and die of gangrene over here. Like, it was fucking unpleasant. Yeah. And you're eating shit. You're shitting all the time because everybody weighed up under your 20 pounds because there was no food.

50:00There's no food. And you couldn't drink water. Because you'd get the shit. Yeah. It was bad. It was bad. There's a reason why most people in history would drunk. Because they had to drink alcohol because if you drink regular water, you'd have fucking poison in it. It's like you're getting bacteria. And then when we moved to cities, we're like, you know what? Now we got it figured out. We'll just put it in pipes. It's a beautiful lead pipes. We'll just put it in there. Well now, it's PDC pipes. Everyone's got plastic in their balls. Well, that's the other problem I wanted to talk to you about is, don't you freak it.

50:29Because when I first started studying politics, you have to take stats. And there was a Southern dude teaching me. He's like, you can have a statistic to prove anything. And my thing now is, and this is what I became interested in. It's like, this is what I want to start with, Arv Kay. Do you? Everyone has all the stats. And then the give stats so forcefully that you believe in. Like, well, that sounds fucking thing. And there's stats about this and there's stats about that. And all the stats are bad. Yeah. There's no good stats. There's no good stats. Well, there's a good stat in terms of, if you look at society in comparison to society of 200 years ago, it's safer.

51:08That's Elon Musk, yeah. Yeah, people are kinder. People are way more educated. Way more educated. We understand things more. Yeah. And like, if you look at the sort of coefficient of hundreds of years ago, Elon brought that up. And I remember looking at that going, oh, yeah, fuck, we're doing good. Yeah. Which is when I got into the Carl Sagan should have. We're actually living in the greatest fucking window of all time. Where's the fucking anxiety coming from? And I don't know who said this, but I think it was, I don't know who said this, but work satisfies a need, desire, and sanity. Like you need to work to, like, for food.

51:46Yeah. You know, desire, because happiness is going forward. Yeah. And then sanity is if you don't fucking work, you go crazy. This is my fear with universal basic income, which I think is inevitable. Yeah. It's inevitable. It's inevitable. Yeah, I think this is the only way we're going to be able to keep people alive. I understand. My fear is that we're going to have too much control over those people if we do that. And those people will have no purpose. And we'll have an even more disenfranchised population than we have today. And the habs and the half -nots will be even further and further apart.

52:14And there's no real education that is in school today where you take a child and you say, hey, look, the world is going to change. And most of these jobs are going to be useless. You're going to have to find something that you love that resonates with people. And if you do that, people are going to be willing to exchange that for money. Yeah. Whatever it is, if you can make, like, like this table, the guy named Drew made this table. I know the man who made it. He is a carpenter. He made a table out of wood. We gave him the specifications. I told him I like oak. You're like, this is a handmade thing.

52:49And a handmade thing is always to me is going to be very valuable. I love a handmade knife. Yes. You know, I love things that someone worked on. I love a painting. Like a painting that someone, like my friend Taylor made this. He painted it. He sat down in his studio. He painted it. And I love that. That's what's going to be valuable. The problem is, most people have never been encouraged to pursue their interest. They've been encouraged to get a job and getting a safe job. And they probably don't even know what their interests are or how those interests can translate. They've been stifled. Right.

53:23They've been stifled. Well, you're exactly right. So actually, when I was spending a lot of time in Silicon Valley, there was a lot of this talk and they're talking about universal living wage or basic wage. And I was like, what are you fucking talking about? You're going to give everyone a hundred grand. And they're like, well, the synthesis of AI is all human and never done by machines. I'm like, wow, come on. So I was kind of the skeptic, you know, this is 10 years ago. And now all of this shit has come true. They were already thinking about this back then because they're also saying exactly what you said, which is, let's say quantum computing happens and AI at the same time, which is probably three years away.

54:00One quantum computer has enough computing power that all the existing computers in the world today. Right. And then you add AI to that. So there's a whole new fucking tech revolution where it becomes even more rich people who won't shit and even more. So they're like, if unless you take care of those people, they're going to come because we're the nerds. They're going to come with the hammers and the currency is going to be bullets. It's not going to be chips. And so it's planted in the apes. You got fucking, you know, people on one side here with the big brains on the other side. And you're like, oh, they already knew this.

54:33They were already thinking this because they're like, we're going to buy them off. But people are going to go crazy if you buy them off. Yeah, it's not necessarily buy them off. It's keep them alive. Yeah, keep them alive. Because people are not going to have any fucking money. And buy them off. They're because they're afraid that they're going to come pick it. I don't think we should look at it that way. I think there's got to be a concerted effort to educate people about the possibilities of their life on Earth. That they've been indoctrinated to think that they have to be a worker. How many of these people are out there that are doing masonry work really want to be a painter?

55:03How many of those people that really want it to be in a band? How many of these people? There's something probably that most people want to do. One thing the universal basic income will do is if you give everybody 100 grand a year, wherever it is, you're going to satisfy, they're not going to worry about rent. They're not going to worry about food. Yeah. So now, maybe they can pursue the problem as people get fucking lazy when you give them free money. It's just a fact. Maybe you're right. It's not everybody. But a lot of people, they just exist. And they'll just play video games all day. And look, if we're going to deal with a society where everything is run by AI and automated, you're going to have to give people money.

55:39Because the extraordinary wealth is going to be generated by AI. It's going to make that not that difficult to do. Especially when you consider how much money we give to other countries already. 100%. Right? Over the last couple of years, we've given 100 and what? How many billion dollars to Ukraine? I think it's more than it's up to 200 billion now. Yeah. Something crazy like that. That amount of money, when you're dealing with AI, when you're dealing with automation, just to keep people fed and housed, like that's reasonable. But you're going to have to figure out a way to give people purpose.

56:11And that's going to have to be a revamping of the education system. That's exactly right. It's a revamping of the education system because you're saying, well, all of these, we were, and this is another great thing on Gen X, but we were built to be workers. We were, you're supposed to get universal education is supposed to just be enough, so you can be a good worker and a good taxpayer. And you get a job. And then, by the way, you get out of college and you already have debt, then you buy a consumer durable, you buy a fucking car, you buy a washing machine. And that's, you know, we'll give everybody that, but we give you debt and then you buy a house, and then you're in debt, and then you finally get out of debt and then you die.

56:49Right. And so you just work, work, work, work, work. And by the way, you're exactly right. You had to get a job, J .O .B. not FUN, that's just, you go and you do it, and you give you money and then you become an adult. That's it. Yeah, and then, But that's not true, because all of this human endeavours, now it's going to be done by machines, and you're like, okay, now what do you got? And I agree 100%. It's going to be something that we can't even fathom, which is, what do you really like to do? Right. What do you love doing? What do you, by the way, building a table is worth more than fucking being a corporate executive?

57:22Well, it is if you enjoy it. Exactly. Yeah, if you have a business that you actually enjoy doing. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like, that's what we have to teach, rather than... We have to do, and there's also this comparing thing. You know, I was a dinner the other night, and my friend, who's friends with this billionaire, his friend is a billionaire, and his friend was comparing his wealth to friends of his that own multiple corporations that are worth 30, 40 billion. He's like, I'm fucking poor, come here to that guy. Right. You missed the whole point. You missed the whole point of getting wealthy.

57:56You have fuck you, buddy, and you're not even saying fuck you. You should be on a boat somewhere, man. You should be marlin -fishing. You know, you should be fucking lying in the sun. You should be doing things you enjoy doing. You should be taking that trip. You always wanted to take. That's what you're supposed to be doing. You're not supposed to be keeping up with other billionaires. So you're working 16 hours a day on Adderall just so that you can fucking get those stock numbers moving. Like, what? Well, the one, the smartest thing anyone ever told me about money was my own man, and he said, life is like a shit sandwich.

58:26The more bread you have, the less shit you have to eat. This is a guy who the only dude who ever lost money on insider trading, he was not gonna run.

58:34But it's true. Like, the one thing that you do notice when you get a bit of, people are fucking nice to you. That is nice too. And when somebody don't have money. Not online. Not online, no. But like, and then you realize, like, oh, fuck, like, people can be, like, they're not nice to you, you know? In general, a lot of times. And you're like, that's fucking sucks. And like, yeah, when you get a bit of money, a bit of success, whatever, people are not fucking nicer. And that's the one thing that I remarked upon in my life. The rest of it's all garbage, the rest of it's all bullshit. But people being nice and like, you know, not shit, not sucking is that's pretty good.

59:17That's nice. And having a cushion. So you don't have to worry about like, I remember the first check I got, a real check, I got a development deal from Disney of all people when I was like, I guess I was like 26. And it was the first time I ever had like a good chunk of money, like six figures in the bank. And I felt weight different. I felt weight lifted off like a physical feeling of, whoa, because every, like my whole life, it's like, how am I gonna eat? How am I gonna pay my rent? How am I gonna do this? And then all of a sudden, I don't have to worry about that anymore. And I was like, oh, I get it now.

59:52And I remember this revelation, like, okay, now I just have to keep this momentum going. Because once you have a good amount of money, where you don't have to worry about money anymore, that feel, you don't want to get, ever get back to that desperation feeling. That's a terrible feeling. And that's the feeling most people are listening to this existent. That feeling of concern about your bills. It's the number one struggle in marriages. It's the number one struggle for everything. For everything. Well, this is why we're getting, we're bringing it up. I had the exact same moment in my life. I never had any money.

1:00:19And then I'll never forget it. I was walking down the Rambless in Barcelona because I was living there, trying to set up vice -bank. And I went in a bank machine. And we had done some deal. And it was the first time I got paid any money. It wasn't a lot of money, but it was, you know, same kind of deal, like six -figure thing. And I took out the money and I went, like my life changed. I still remember how I smelled. I still remember it. Because my life changed. It was the first time I didn't have $28 in my bank account. And I just went, and like my breathing changed. Yeah. Just everything. Like you said, like, it was like, wait, lift off.

1:00:55Wait, lift off you. And that and humans don't like to go backwards. But yeah, living in that sort of constant fear, that's the problem with money. And that's why there is a chance, and it was good that you brought that up, actually, that like you can kind of take this anyway, you know, like humanity can take the next, let's say 20 years anyway, we want to take it. And you can take it to be like, let's fucking learn from what we've learned and be positive and try to take this as a fucking thing where humanity gets better. And we do this in the right way, rather than just do it fucking, knee -jerk reaction, freaking out, like what the fuck's gonna, like I'm sure that you're gonna look back at a time when, like the social media was fucking, fucking up kids' heads and you're gonna say, that was crazy, dude.

1:01:44Right, it's gonna be like smoking. We're gonna look at the stock market and go, yeah, it's fucking completely manipulated by supercomputers and trillion dollar funds. And the little guy gets fucked. Why would the fuck do we let that happen? Right, right. There's gonna be all kinds of coming out of the pond moments where we go. Hey, like we were doing it wrong. Yeah. But there's this big chaos is a ladder. There's this big chaotic time right now when you're exactly right and people getting anxious about it and everything. And you're like, we gotta use that as a time to say, hey, why don't we fucking have an economy where there is a universal basic wage and or living wage?

1:02:18And we take that to doing shit where you do something that you like and you're happy about because that, your job is probably going away. I guarantee you, it will cause less crime. I think crime will dip substantially. I think there'll be less civil unrest. People's needs will be met. It'll give everyone that feeling of, oh, I don't have to worry about my bills anymore. It's just finding purpose. That's gonna be the next thing. And the people that are really gonna be fucked or the people that didn't find purpose already. And then they're like 40 and then that happens. Cause this episode is brought to you by Visible.

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1:04:24And it's now nominated for eight Academy Awards, including Best Actor, Ray Fines, Best Supporting Actress, Isabella Rosalini, Best Adapted Screenplay, Peter Straun, and Best Picture of the Year. ConClave, a film by Edward Berger in theaters now. They're gonna be sad. And that's what I'm worried about. I'm worried about the people that are already sort of indoctrinated into a certain specific way of living. And then all of a sudden their purpose, which was their job, you know, they worked at the factory and they're like, you know, Johnny's employee, the mom, Johnny you doing a fucking great job, I really appreciate you.

1:05:01And that guy feels perfect. He puts in a hard day's work. When he gets that paycheck, he knows he earned it. That's who he is. He's the number one guy at the plant. He's the foreman, he's the guy the men respect. That's a real thing for human beings. We need a thing that makes us feel like we're progressing. It's a part of our DNA. Our DNA, the reason why we're still alive, the reason why we survived is because we solved problems. We figured out what's going on. We made ourselves useful and it makes you useful to the tribe. It makes you feel good. You have a sense of purpose. That's the guy that's the best hunter.

1:05:34She knows how to fucking plant vegetables. He knows how to make cloth. Everybody had a job and it gave you a sense of purpose. We're going to have to figure this out quick because I think it's going to be like the birth of a child. It's going to be like this screaming, wow, painful. It's going to be this thing filled with anxiety but it is happening whether we like it or not. And if we don't start educating children about the benefits of having a fulfilled life where you're doing something you actually enjoy and not telling them don't do that. It's too hard. Don't do that. It's risky. Thank God I didn't listen to anybody because my whole thing.

1:06:20You wouldn't exist. I would have not a thing I did ever. Anybody told me to do. Not fighting. My parents started to stop me from fighting when I was doing martial arts. When I tried to do comedy, they were worried that you did so well in martial arts. Why are you quitting and doing this new thing? And every fucking step of the way, when I started doing podcasts, my friends were like, what are you wasting your time doing this for? It was all we started doing video podcasts. People were like, why are you spending so much time doing video? That's so stupid. Nobody watches video. Everyone says no.

1:06:49I was like, I don't care. I just want to do it. Like just do what you like to do. If you can, but I just for whatever reason got lucky that I got into a pattern like that very early in life. Both my parents worked. So there wasn't a lot of guidance. So I found a thing that I liked and I just went and did it. And you know, they're like, why are you wasting your time doing that? I go, bye mom. I go fucking leave the house and I was on my own. And so I got into a pattern of that early, but there's so many people that don't and so many people that get a job. And then that job's going to go away and it's going to be a place by a fucking computer.

1:07:22And if you're listening to this and that happens to you, don't become an alcoholic. Don't just give in. Find something else, find purpose, find a thing. Go back to what you love. There's so many, I wish I had 50 lives to live simultaneously. I would have a bunch of different jobs. I've always wanted to do a bunch of different things. Yeah. There's so many interesting things in this life. Well, I think you're 100 % right, but I also think like, especially with kids, now is the time to start saying exactly that. Yes. Like listen, I did what I wanted to do. And the same thing, everybody told me, no, you know, everyone told you, no, and all that stuff.

1:08:00Which by the way, I heard them saying, no, like when you're like, I'm going to get into fighting. Yeah, no. I'm going to do comedy. Yeah, no, you're not. You're not doing it. Oh, now we're going to get into the podcast. What the fuck's a podcast? You're not going to fucking. I can hear them saying, no, my brain. Howard Stern used to mock podcast. And he was my hero. It's like a guy who loved listening to him on the radio. And hearing him mock podcast, what I was doing, I was like, damn. I was like, oh, he's wrong. Yeah. The laugh of the victorious. Ah, it's a good laugh. It's a good one. It's the best laugh.

1:08:34But yeah, so everyone said no to me. But so now I agree you have to go to kids and say, look, dude, do whatever the fuck you want and do it. You're good at doing your passion about, like, do not hold things. We got to stimulate them. Stimulate them with interesting things. I mean, that's when we're talking about how I got this unexpected education on this podcast. I realized that it wasn't that I was not interested in things or that I wasn't intelligent, instead I wasn't stimulated. And I was a very physical person when I was a kid. I had so much fucking energy. And when you're sitting in a class and you're a little buzzer, it was like, I can't do this.

1:09:13If I lived with the wrong parents, and especially in a different time, I would have 100 % been medicated. But what it was was that I was a different car. I wasn't a Honda Civic. I was a Shelby Mustang. For the short of word. I needed to go. I needed to go. I got to get stimulated by things. I need stuff that excites me. I can't just sit down and I'm not good at listening. Which is not what school does. It cuts off the tall trees. It doesn't just do that. It tells you to not go for it. Yeah. It tells you you're a bad person if you can't be bored. And but like somebody had to be Johnny Cash. 100%.

1:09:57We all celebrate these people that escaped. Somebody had to be Jimmy Hendrix. Somebody had to be Richard Pryor. Like obviously they were real. Like so they did it. And everyone told them not to, is this like a reward for getting out of that fucking mirror of bullshit and mediocrity. And that's what we, it's got to be the Smith Rogue in Academy and just say, look, don't do any of that shit. Yeah. You fucking do what you love and also find should that interest you and go do that because I didn't do that for a while. It's like a fucking purgatory. You got to pursue it like your life depends on it.

1:10:27You do because it actually does. It actually does. And you can get gig jobs. You can wait tables. You can drive Uber. I drove limos. I did construction. I did whatever I had to do. I delivered newspapers. I did whatever I had to do to try to like do a thing that, and I didn't know if I was gonna make it. But back then when you're 21 years old, you have no responsibilities. No health insurance, no nothing. And you could just fucking try things. Just try things. Just, and if you don't do that, you're gonna be sad. And that's the reality of the world we live in. When people wanna talk to the, about the levels of depression in this country, what about the levels of purpose?

1:11:05And do they coincide? The levels of how many people have learned to control their emotions, how many people have learned to get their health in order, how many people have learned how to meditate, how many people have learned how to think about things before you make a decision, and try to give yourself advice objectively. How many people have learned? Not over Medicaid or not Medicaid at all. You're not Medicaid at all. How many people have learned how to like, apologize to your friends, apologize to your family if you made a mistake. How many people have learned to own up to when you were the wrong, when you were in the wrong, instead of just covering it up and pretending and arguing, and trying to distort things, just learn, learning, grow, like we all make mistakes.

1:11:45And if you're on the wrong path in life, and if you're doing something you don't wanna do, figure out a way to get the fuck out of that job, and actually do it, don't talk about it, fucking do it, because if you don't, and if you do it, it's gonna be so exciting. It's gonna be terrifying, you're gonna be like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm afraid. Oh my God, I gotta make this happen, but fucking go for it. You don't have much time. You have to. You got to. If you don't, you're gonna be sad, and that's just the reality of a lot of you, or you're gonna be angry, and it's really, you're not even angry at the things you think you're angry at.

1:12:16You're angry at your existence. Well, that's when I go back to this thing of you wanna talk about meditation is whenever you get angry or anxious, or ever say, look, you're living in the greatest fucking window of time ever in the history of fucking time. Forever. Ever. So what do you aim for? The better window of time? Right. It's not coming. And so when you put it in a sort of grandiose perspective, you're like, I'm gonna enjoy the fucking shit out of today, because this is the best day in the fucking world ever. It's the best day ever. But not only in the world, in the history of the world, but in the history of every other planet that we know about.

1:12:57And part of what makes it exciting is that we're almost blowing it apart. Yeah. Well, that's the other problem. Like that's what you should enjoy if you're sitting at a restaurant having a nice steak and a glass of wine. You should enjoy the fact that, you know, we're not in rubble. You should. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. I feel like that every time I come back from somewhere, you know, and that's one thing about reporting is you come back and you're like, you really fucking enjoy, you really enjoy life. This really is the promised land. It really is. I mean, clearly not for everybody, but also there's a possibility.

1:13:27The opportunity awaits itself right here. It really is the greatest country the world has ever known. In the middle of all the bullshit we're going through and all the chaos and all the potential wars that we're involved in and wars we're involved in, it's still the greatest place ever, the greatest time ever. It's just confusing. And it's also one of the only countries you realize, guys like us, like you have a kick at the can. Yeah. Right. Most countries you don't have a kick at the can. You got the wrong last name, the wrong accent. Cast systems. Yeah. Well, just and like England, you know, Europe with yours aristocracy, then you had everything and if you weren't, you had nothing.

1:14:04And if you want to get ahead, people get angry at you. There's some stat like, again, going back to stats, but there's some stat like 80 % of the world's wealth is inherited and by 2045, it's going to be even higher. And you're like, oh, fuck you for yet, because we come from, oh, we made money or Elon made money or fucking Larry Page made money or whatever. Those are the real rich guy, Bayzo. And but the majority of the world, it's like, yeah, my parents had money a thousand years ago, so I have money today. That's so crazy. And that's how you make jaffries. Well, that's how you make fucking, came with drones, yeah.

1:14:39Well, that's how you make lots of them. Yeah, you make monsters. Yeah, monsters. And so, so yeah, like you come here and I'm like, I'm an immigrant and I came here and I'm fucking, I was the ambassador for fucking New York. I'm like, I came here with no fucking shoes. I'm a billionaire, I fucking love it. It's the greatest fucking city in the fucking world. Fucking amazing. And the Canadians were like, because the Canadian identity is like, we're not American, kind of. And I was on a, I was on a New York, I'm like, this is the greatest goddamn city in the fucking world. And which it is. And then, and then, and then I moved to LA when I had kids and I was like, wow, that's pretty fucking nice.

1:15:13I used to want to live in Canada. I used to love Canada. I love Canada. Don't get me wrong, I love Canada. Canada's a great place to go. I thought about living in Vancouver. That's beautiful. I was like, I could live in Vancouver. Like if shit hits the fan of the United States. I always felt like, beautiful country. And Canadians are amazing people. They're amazing. Amazing people. I always feel like Canada has 20 % less douchebags. That's, that was my feeling. When I used to do shows up there, we would all talk about it. We'd do a gig in Toronto, we'd do a gig in Montreal. Yeah, that's your beautiful.

1:15:40It is the best. The best. I love it up there. I love the people. They're friendly and hardworking. Great place to go. Smart and they're smart and they're educated. It was always fun. I loved it up there. I just love the attitude of the place. I've met so many cool people in Canada. But now the way Trudeau is running it, it scares the shit out of me. I'm like, you guys are sliding into communism. You're sliding every day. They push a little bit further, a little bit further. If you don't get rid of that guy, if you don't turn that thing around, you're fucked. Yeah, look, I've seen a lot of things happen in Canada where to me, it's government shouldn't run things at all.

1:16:24Like if we can stay away from it, what does that mean? It means like universal healthcare. So when I grew up, it was good. You could go to any hospital, the doctors were all good. Some of the best doctors in the world. And then because they didn't manage it correctly and it got too big, it got too government like 80 cents of every dollar was going to managing it rather than the doctors. So they left, they came down here. There's a big brain drain. And now you can't get a doctor. You have to sign up and wait for three years. It's like the NHS in the UK or something. And it just doesn't work as the government's too big.

1:16:57It's just, you know, once you get the government involved, it becomes like a welfare problem. You're just paying all kinds of people to work on the thing that, but no one's doing the actual thing that they're supposed to work on, the healthcare. You're accuracy. You're accuracy. So it's a problem. But my later stages in life to get into this and to get into the American political system and the bull goose, Looney, that is this political cycle and this electoral cycle and Canada and what's happening in Europe. I really get this feeling and maybe, you know, we're going to get into it on this. But when I was younger, you know, and I was studying stuff and I always feel like I would love to go back to being in college because when I was in college, I just wanted to get out.

1:17:39I wanted to get out and make money and stuff and I just did everything to just get the fuck out. And now I'm like, if I could just read books and talk to people and then write about that, I'd fucking, where do I sign up? I can just thinking about shit. So I fucking would love to. It's wrong timing when you're, but anyway, but I used to study politics. I would love to, philosophy, I love politics. When I first came down to America and I had been studying American politics, Baba Clinton head was a consensus politician, reduced the size of government, took the largest deficit of all time, turned largest surplus of all time, and then Bush got in, turned the largest surplus of all time, the largest deficit increased size government.

1:18:15And I'm like, no one said boo. No one said anything. And you're like, the whole fundamental principles of the Republican Democratic Party, immigration. Before Trump, there was, there's not more Reagan to me was the calling card of, of, of, of the D .O .P. Reagan was the best president for immigration if you're an immigrant ever. He was super pro immigration and the Democrats were against it. They completely switched their platforms on it. Yeah. And you're like, to me, when you look in America, you say, okay, it's a republic, it's two party systems. They're always in power. One's, that's it, like two party systems, you're always in power or you're fucking trying to control the house.

1:18:55And you're like, is it all much to do about nothing? Is it all a political, like bread and puppet theater? It's like, this is super fucking important for you to watch over here to give you some sort of thinking that I have some agency. I can vote and it's gonna fuck a matter about anything. Whereas what the fuck really changes on the big shit. Like what the fuck really changes on the economy, what the fuck really changes for it. I neither shit that we're talking about, about school, about education, about big, like the other shit you talk about, which is fascinating and it's great that you do it about big pharma, big food, big education, military, industrial, what the fuck really changes in that?

1:19:34Zero. Yeah. The only thing that changes is if there's someone who really wants to push reform, really wants to change things. And the real question is like, when you get a guy like Trump is promising all this stuff, how much can you actually get away with? How much can you actually change? What can you actually do and will that change things for the better? Very little. Politically. Politically. America's set up to do very, the American government is set up to do very little and do it very slowly. That was what it was said. Well, not only that, a long time ago we gave in to allowing money to enter into politics in this huge influential way.

1:20:08And then we allowed pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise on television. But all those things, but those were the big ones. Because as soon as you had control of the narrative, there's no way the media is gonna spoil the relationship that they have with their biggest providers of revenue. They're not gonna do that. So whatever, whether it's the food companies or whether it's pharmaceutical drug companies, they're gonna ignore as much as possible about the negatives of these products. And then you have a propaganda state where you have these people that are literally hired to say stories they know are not true because this will benefit the people that are their advertisers.

1:20:43And that's where you get fucking crazy. It's also how that model implodes, which is fascinating. So that model becomes less relevant. And the Michael Schellenberger's and the Matt Taibis of the world, then people start turning to them. The Glenn Greenwald's of the world. He was like, well, these people are honest and they're, well, I'm not a journalist. I know, but. But these people are honest. You interview a lot of people who tell a lot of things that people don't get at other places. Yes. And then crazy people too. But that's fun. And let's get into the aliens. Comedians. I want to know what you know about aliens.

1:21:17Yeah, I'm sorry. I keep going. I want to hear that end of that thought. I don't remember where I was going. Where was I going? You were. So what they've done is they've created their own demise by giving you to Satan's deal. So by sucking Satan's cock and getting all that money, you've now, you're not a news organization anymore. You're a propaganda outlet and everybody knows it. You have the news. But that's what the news is. A thin layer of bread on the shit set. But that yes, but that's been, see, this is the thing. Is that's been since the fucking beginning. It's nothing new. Like I forget who it was, but I was talking to somebody who goes, what is news?

1:21:53What is news, Shane? You know who Roy Ter was? You know who Roy Ter was? He started the Reuters to start a newspaper to say, fuck you to his enemy, blah, blah, blah. He just bought it. He was just a rich guy who I can't do his acts anymore. But basically he got incensed with me because he was just like, that's what it always was. It's some rich guy would start a newspaper just to say, fuck you to the other rich guy. I need a base host by the Washington Post. Well, because he was on the new cover the New York Times. What is it? You can't be on the cover the New York Times 18 days in a row and he was on 13.

1:22:24Was he in a post? I'm like that. Yeah. That's the other way. That's the other way. Yeah. Well, I mean, look, you can use money to get a lot of things done. But it's just... I'm just know what I'm saying is there's always been money in politics and there's always been money in media. It's just now, it's more obvious than ever before. And now you're right. There are agendas. But so my whole thing is like, I'm an immigrant, but I'm non -political. I'm literally serious. Like I believe in the game. I like the game. I like watching the game. And that's why I say like, I like to take a look. Like, okay, there's this whole fucking thing going on over here where the status quo doesn't change.

1:23:01And I think you and I are like, look, that's what has to fucking change over there. That's the real power over there. Yeah. This shit for me becomes, and it's funny. Because this is like, I don't know what, what, what, what I'm showing up myself. I don't know what the elect, this elect, this elect, this 53, 54 something like that, the 54, 50, 60. It's pretty close. It's right out there somewhere. It fluctuates depending on what's going on. So we're on season 53. Right. And that's why you have to have the craziness. You have to have two assassination attempts. You have to have fucking Biden. By the way, Biden has to be kicked out mid election.

1:23:32And we're gonna get some like, you're like, oh, season 53, the fawns is jumping the shark, but the sharks, if we eat by piranhas. Not only that, Biden's wearing a Magaheim. Like this, this, this, but that's like, look, can I pause you for a second? Because Jamie, you brought something. Jamie, you didn't bring it up. Somebody else brought it up. Sean brought it up to me. Was there some sort of a physical altercation between Jill Biden's people and Kamala Harris's people? People are reports about this stuff on Twitter, but like, it's just like, Twitter reports. You know, I don't have any seen anyone show pictures or quotes.

1:24:03It's just like a Twitter account saying stuff like that. What is it a good Twitter account? I would, I don't remember. There's a few people I follow where I know they're full of shit because I just want to see nonsense. I like it. And I just go, what is this take? But it's what kind of goods. It's like, it's a lot of the Michelle Obama has dick. Like that does. Yeah. There's so many. There's so many of them. But I love, I love memes. Like, oh my God, I love memes. And they have fast and hard. You want to talk about creativity and art. Like some of them are so fucking good and so artistic and so quick.

1:24:34You're like, how the fuck did they fucking do that one? Like I fucking love it. Yeah. And they're so inappropriate. And that's what's fun about it is because they can never kind of say. You can never say this. Yeah. I know. I say. Yeah. But I'm like, yeah, I'll say this to Jamie. So he knows what we're talking about. Yeah. So I'm just, but like it's like, there's so many of them now. And so anyway, that's like I was during during during during. Check out. No, that's during during COVID. Oh, well, this guy's pretty legit. Right, but it just is per white house official. How do you say his name? Potsabick.

1:25:11Potsabick. How do you say his name? Potsabick. Potsabick. But this guy's pretty legit. There was a physical altercation with Jill and Kamala Stafers in the White House after Joe's press room last week began with the accusation. The Biden's were undermining Kamala's deliberate Kamala deliberately per white house official. Well, it does seem like he's doing that. Like when he called that press conference, he hadn't called any press conference. So he decides to call a press conference in the middle of a national emergency. He's out. Yeah, and he's out. And everyone knows, but he's still the president.

1:25:39He's still a president. He's still a president. He's still a president. He's the wearing the Manga hat. Like, look, there's no fucking way. They're happy. They got kicked out and Jill did not want him to step down. She started taking cabinet meetings. Right. Like who elected you? Who elected you? Can I do it? Let me do it. Let me do it. I'm not elected either. Let me just sit in. Find out what's going on with these people. What are you talking about? How are you running a cabinet meeting? You're just married to the guy that's the president? But that's the whole thing too because I've sat in that room.

1:26:09Like you can go and you can sit in the room. Yeah, but he wasn't there. Yeah, he was but she I don't think she was running the cabinet meeting Well, because that's what I'd heard. Yeah, that's what people say because there's a picture of her there But she's not running the fucking car. You want to ruin a great story. This is fun. It's fun She's running if she I hope she's running it. I hope she's boss bitch The thing the thing about is if you want to look at Like the greatest time with the Republican party when when Reagan was a president It was his cabinet his cabinet was exceptional and because he like he had dementia, but his cabinet was initially He did not initially but later on but his cabinet was running America.

1:26:48It was fucking great So you see the cabinet should run America. I'd rather have the cabinet run Something of professionals people who are like designed to do that rather than one fucking person is gonna go Yes, no, yep. Yep. That's great. The the fucking queen of England and they're supposed to be the queen of England Yeah, do you think his dementia was convenient? Who's Reagan's I was wondering if he was doing like a Jimmy the chin type thing. No, I look Do you like here's Jimmy Tingle who's amazing comedian? Yeah, this great bit way back in 1988 Okay, when when Reagan was in trouble for selling weapons to Iran.

1:27:24Oh, right He said I can't recall yeah, and he goes to me a favor Mr. President you ever selling arms to people who hate us Chaud it down It's pretty good No, put it on your refrigerator That's I'd never I literally never even thought of that I would do that Yeah, he said he couldn't remember anything. Yeah, that's a good move Who could tell you whether or not you can remember things you could play dumb. Yeah, that's what Jimmy the chin did I don't remember you know that story no Jimmy the chin gigante was a mob leader Yeah, and he would walk around with a bathrobe and slippers and just mumbled to himself Yes, and he would walk down the street with his capos Yeah, and the FBI knew this and so what they did was they put These little microphones on all the hubcaps so they could record his conversation as he walked down the street So as he's walking on the street they were recording everything wow.

1:28:22I love shit like I love Shit like that like when Israel intercepts the pages of Hezbollah and blows everybody's balls off That is Look, it's terrible those people died, but it seems like they weren't good people But at the bottom line is you know how fucking genius that is to just to stop the actual shipment Yeah, sorry to figure out that they use this type of analog major Stop the shipment put X and then get them to all blow up at the same time wait wait wait wait months and make sure that no one's on a Airplane No, it's an amazing book called rise up and kill first. I've read that Yeah, it's a great book.

1:29:02It's about this. Yeah, it's about like we can't win a war So we're gonna assassinate our way to safe. Yeah. Yeah. It's all about Israel. Yeah, and it's crazy and using political assassinations. Yeah, fantastic It's crazy when you find out they're doing that like god damn well, you know god damn genius that isn't you imagine being them and realizing like this is how deeply Israel's invested in your organization That's gotta be terrifying. Well just recently they got the head of Hezbollah and then the second head and then the third head within like three or four days of each other and then they're trying to get new guys and they're like Yeah, I don't want that good.

1:29:39I don't want that game It's the whole thing is it's very very fascinating. Well, it's not the people that invented Pegasus. Yeah, you know They invented that the ability to just date now It's getting your phone Pegasus to all they have to have is your phone number. Yeah, and they're right That's true. I have I actually talked to one of the guys who owned that company if you want to hack for Pegasus I don't know if it still is turn your phone off repeatedly and then because every time you turn your phone off They have to re put the Pegasus in real yeah Yeah, I don't know why that well that's that was from the dude.

1:30:10I would tell that to people just fucking idiot It's from the owner. It's true me while you're never off the We never off. That's how you could use find your phone. Yeah, I mean, there's I'm sure there's probably some hacks But Eric Prince has a new phone called the unplugged phone that's designed by the guy who created Pegasus apparently And it's like this untrackable phone that kind of constantly but Who knows I don't I think I think you are first of all with quantum computing Yeah, when quantum computing Becomes ubiquitous. There's going to be no more passwords. That's all gone folks. It does not work security It's out the window bitcoin.

1:30:51Oh, yeah, credit card. Oh, you're fucked everything everyone's fucked and we're not prepared for that 100 % No, it's gonna be real weird was I've always said but like What money is today essentially is numbers. It's just ones and zero So yeah, we make it up and the thing that you see with the internet is as technology increases People get more and more access to information to ones and zeros to data The bottleneck is going to be money. Yeah, and eventually that's going to break through and then what do you own? And who owns what and where does it store and what is it? It's all digital and soon very soon There'll be no digital encryption.

1:31:29There'll be no digital safety at all everything by the way you're talking about money Every fucking so I one of the most fascinating guys you I think you talked to him too I went to Russia and I hung out with him at the metropole which is funny because it's the whole it's famously the every room is bugged because it was the only place they let Foreigner stay in Moscow and so we're at the metropole he we got into Surveillance and but he opened my phone and like he was Like as we were having the interview just showing me like how they can turn on the phone How can it do and how to like take out this part and take out this camera and do this and do just like as he was talking about overall Government surveillance of everybody which by the way I don't think a lot of people know what he did.

1:32:09He said look The the American government is illegally illegally spying on its own people Oh, yeah, and and by the way Had in told him illegally they weren't allowed to they the mafia guys they had to get Warrants from judges and shit to fucking to bug those cars Now they don't have to get shit. They don't need shit. They just say they have fucking planes with inzy catchers flying around They're picking up right now or talking about 100 % every time I have a conversation every text I send even the fucked up ones I go, whoa someone's got that. Oh, yeah, so they're gonna say so not only do your money But like your whole search history whatever's in your fucking computer.

1:32:46I tell my kids. I tell my kids like your phone Is your whole human archive and at some point someone can take that thing and say This is you know evidence or this is this or this sort of like you you have to make sure that your phone is like You have to always be thinking because now we know if you're in some sort of a trial all that shit becomes public record Yeah, that's what gets really weird like there's two different people that were involved in trials Where my text messages to them became public and got printed in stories one was Alex Jones the other was Elon Musk It's very strange that they just have access to your text messages.

1:33:22Yeah, like for what reason yeah I'm just talking to some guy that I know like what do you what do you like the fact that and the and with the Alex Jones thing They wanted every text message he and I had ever exchanged wow fuck you Fuck you so we got it down to whether or not he talked to be about Sandy hook That's another thing There has to be tort reform anyone can sue anybody for anything and not have to pay their lawyer in the lawyer can take 50 % of the It's it's it's extortion and it's just it's It's I don't know so there's something has to change there because they're just sitting there suing people because they can Yeah, that's um It's a sport for people and it's a way to make a living.

1:34:04I mean, it's like gold digging. So it's a viable strategy You know Shaper there's a lot of that there's a lot of that definitely a lot of that tort reform that would be a good thing So we got to reform we got education But I think we were talking about earlier with quantum computing and AI I think we're all in real trouble. Yeah, because I think this society is going to be completely reimagined and it probably will lean Towards some sort of a more socialist existence because of necessity Because of this money thing this episode is brought to you by me undies when date night comes around You want to look good for your partner?

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1:37:37Well the problem with quantum is it's gonna be okay. There's a whole new So when when the sort of west or the north of the rich countries whenever Leave everyone else behind You know monetarily is when you know The last 20 years of of digital expansion and we just make you know trillion dollar companies And they're over here and we make all that money in that account And then you go to like two thirds of the world and that shit doesn't even penetrate it yet right? So it's like So quantum computing is that on steroids Because it's like oh there's gonna be a whole new economy because all the other computers are fucking obsolete All the securities obsolete.

1:38:17There's a whole new economy being generated. Who's it gonna be generated by the ultra smart ultra early adopters Super like you know fucking Rich people who can afford the quantum blah blah blah And everybody else is going even further fucking that way go on. There's no more fucking fish Right, and if you're just like you know Riding to get universal basic income raised up to 125 ,000 dollars a year Like that's what we're gonna be dealing with people who are looking for incremental improvements in their life Where they don't have any other way to make money. There's like there's stuck on the dull And we we could have an entire class of society that's just stuck on the dull forever Which gets larger and larger yeah, which gives larger larger especially as technology increases to the point where almost all jobs are irrelevant Like Hollywood is in deep shit.

1:39:04They're in real real real deep strike was about because I'm doing it with news myself You can get like so what when you do news you get like you have news services, right? So you get a new service you get a wire comes in You go fuck there's a bit somebody fucking blew up the car And you have a news team so you send out shooters and you send out a producer and I fucking hey I'm saying and then he comes back and I was saying news should be called old because you're just in there in three days It goes that happened by me right with AI it comes in right away. This just happened in Gaza You can have video you can have you can say I want Walter Cronk item black and white reading me my news from Reuters right You can be Peter Jennings circa blown out color from Vietnam era could be nine easier Could be I want prov to test fucking Russian Soviet like you can pick your own newscaster reading you verified news right right away Before anybody else before Fox before fucking Amazon before I see an I'm for anybody BBC anybody and you're like why wouldn't you do that Right so of course and but if you take that a step further everyone can become their own You know movie director because you can just plug in your story to one talk about art.

1:40:15You can plug in your story Make a movie you do it through prompts and it dude almost instantaneous. Yeah, that's what's gonna be So bizarre and then the real problem with that is if AI is controlling the news like who's controlling AI Like what what control are we gonna get to a point where we say we know we're gonna have to let sentient AI control Information then we find out that sentient AI is withholding information from us because it doesn't think we're emotionally stable In up the process it which we probably aren't yeah, you know if there's some sort of a civil turmoil that could happen because Some information gets really if you were AI now and we're looking to the These guys don't know what the fuck we gotta take them.

1:40:55They're not good for this planet. Yeah, we would corners lensky angle No, I'm not saying all that money. Well, I'm saying like you have a news like you have a service comes in still people But you have new service and then AI can make the images or can make the video whatever But I mean look When you when you look at media you're like oh, it's that's why the strike happened because they know You can everyone can can make their own fucking movie everyone can make their own TV show I'm gonna and that'll be the thing you know be like individualistic creators. It's not gonna be big studios Yeah, and and and that's but that's just media like it's gonna be every fucking Business every business We're like the wrote you know the basis of capitalism.

1:41:37They're like yeah, well, you know There were both apologies for the for the industrial revolution. That's what's called marks They were like yeah, you know the The blueberry pickers will have to move for the cities and become iron mongers and and you know That's what that'll happen and they're like well Blueberry pickers can't like forge iron and like well, you know a generation will die and then they'll figure it out in So it's that that was the problem and and you know That's gonna be the problem with AI is like there will be this thing of like people moving to building tables or making art or doing whatever But there's gonna be this is why I think our kids are maybe okay But like when you said what I worry about is the 40 -year -olds seeing there who bought it all went to high school went to college did all the shit Got the fucking job or sitting there, you know trying to climb the ladder and that's all gonna go away It's all gonna go away and coding and that's right like don't become an alcoholic because like it's probably the biggest freeing thing right ever But like yeah, there has to be okay like just pay that fucking person Right so that they don't lose their fucking house because if you start losing your house right if you smith and recar to it and start losing your house So it's my long way to think because there has to be some sort of weird social thing about it because if you just let them fucking die off They're not gonna die off.

1:42:53They're gonna say Yeah, yeah, that's the fear the fear is rebellion and I don't think that's necessary. I think Clearly there's something happening to the human species that's technology driven and we're moving into a completely new way of existing and it's gonna be a tumultuous journey The transformation the process is gonna be scary. Yeah, it's gonna be very fucking strange because it's gonna be unprecedented in its impact and the speed of its impact. Yeah, the speed is gonna be You know the internet it took a couple decades before we figured out how fucked up it is You know it came around in the 1990s people started using it, you know kind of everywhere you've got mail And then 2000 you started getting fucked up videos and craziness and then along come social media and everybody's like oh my god Everyone's connected and everyone's addicted and and then you're getting all this negativity because that's what attracts views So your algorithms Yes, overwhelming some of it.

1:43:52I love because it's like wow Yeah, you know, I didn't know that and you find out it's true So you're like wow, that's pretty cool And then a lot of it you're like what the fuck and that's not true and you're like yeah And so by the way a lot of people have an extra grind that's the other problem is CCP Chinese Communist Party are Are openly saying they're trying to fuck with our social media. Oh, that is the free Syrian army as are the Iranians as are like As are we as are we we are fucking with it I guarantee there's some sort of government agency that's involved with like just Distributing narratives and and arguing against certain things also if you go to Russia They're like yeah, you have the rubble we are trying to fuck with you Yeah, we're definitely trying to fuck with you of course and you're like okay So if you're openly trying to fuck with us Yeah, by the way, can you imagine if the Chinese Communist Party is spreading propaganda that there's $28 big Max Then what are they gonna do when they have quantum computing right well once they have quantum computing We're fucked financially.

1:44:48It's a race between us and that because as soon as someone has that with AI The whole financial institutions crumble We're gonna be in a giant mess and I don't understand how they could ever figure out a way to stop that Yeah, I just don't I see as technology scales up It's just gonna have more power and more access and the innovation is gonna come if so fast Yeah, you're not gonna be able to keep up with it and then all sudden it'll be too late Yeah, remember when we were growing up there was a big thing about like How you adopt technology it takes you like 10 years to adopt that what was it called?

1:45:20It was there was a term for it was a big deal in the 80s and 90s about Tech culture lag tech lag something you remember this now And it was a big it was a big concept when I was growing up anyway How long it takes society to adapt to a new technology and it was a big deal and culture lag something like that and There's like the the the speed with which quantum is gonna change every quantum. Sorry quantum married with AI Right the speed with which it changes everything is gonna be like I mean, I don't think we're even gonna be able to sort of process That change, you know, I think it's gonna happen so quick and I I have the craziest thought about it that just keeps popping in my head as I think that we are creating a new life form All right, that's what I really with AI.

1:46:13Yeah, well that's been the that's what it's sort of been though But I think that's what the universe does I think that's probably with all the all these alien encounters are I don't think they're biological anymore I think life gets to a certain point where it it gets so smart that it creates a new version of itself that's superior I mean we get to aliens either it merges with it. I think that's what the aliens are I think they're us I think they're us in the future. I think there's parallel But that's the mathematical thing right? Yeah, it's more mathematically plausible than it's us in the future than we evolved this way Well, it's also probably other Civilizations from other places that are far more advanced and have figured out a way to get here And it might be interdimensional travelers Which sounds ridiculous until you talk to actual physicists that can tell you it's provable.

1:46:57Yeah dark matter dark 10 or 11 to let even know what that is Well, that's just a lack of an understanding of what the fuck is going on Well, I love I love that did you ever I if you have an tater Wilson who's like the fucking Genius genius genius of all genius physicist he's a young kid Built a functioning fusion reactor in his Reno garage when he was 13 years old Mecho Kakouji is something like that. This guy is is next fucking level It's one of the I think he did made a particle collider in his house Super he he refined his own yellow. Okay. He staked Claims and got uranium and turned it into yellow cake.

1:47:37I mean Yeah, that's nuts. Yeah, yeah, how old is this kid? Now he's 30 but he was 13 so he was 13 the government took him I've been there. I've been that's his look. I've been super nerd. He's so amazing. He's on but like Whenever you want to talk about anything that has to do with physics He's the guy and but what I what I love about it is like I think he was part of the team I don't want to get anybody in the trouble. I think it was part of the team right you knew about it anyway He's explained it to me the guys in Peru, you know with the fucking most advanced telescope. They're like the LT Yeah, they're like the planets are all here right and they should be here They're not in the right place And and somebody had to go the math is wrong.

1:48:19I like to believe it's him but maybe somebody said the math is wrong And they're like the math is wrong. That's all of the math. That's like physics is wrong. Yeah physics is wrong so like Because there's too much gravity to keep all the planets in play They should be fucking flying off and so they're like okay 90 % of the universe we can't see it's dark matter dark energy and and there's now There's these things and deep in the coal mines and they had like these baths of some gas which they can see the weekly interacting molecular particles whims and they Have to bend this like now the fifth dimension which does now leading to there's infinite fucking universe as an infinite Infinite possibilities and infinite so you're not crazy because physics is now saying All of this shit is fucking probable.

1:49:09Yeah, you know, so that's one thing too is When I was talking to a very smart person I'm not gonna say You need trouble, but they're like look Interstellar travel isn't gonna be you and I go on a fucking spaceship Right it's gonna be there's you download your brain into a computer It goes by via laser into another thing that's got a 3d printer of a human that resembles you or might not resemble you And it goes and you download and that's how you go at least vast distances in space And you're like oh Maybe so it but if they're doing that in the future maybe yeah, but if they're doing I'm not saying that that's it That's right, but if it does happen then it makes sense that you got these These mixes if you're downloading your brain into a computer Then it's possible with my brain gets mixed up with AI What does that even mean?

1:49:58What is the thing is like what is your brain and is the soul a real thing Because I tend to think the souls are real thing right here, too I think there is some sort of a life force that's inside of you. That's not just your heart beating I think there's a thing inside of people and I think you recognize it when you're around people And I think It's one of the most unique aspects of being a conscious creature is that we think of us We think of ourselves as individuals, but we're really connected to some Great well of soul to seal down. Yeah, there's some thing that's going on where we're all in this together And some bizarre way that's for some reason very difficult for us to recognize in normal Regular life.

1:50:43It's hard for us to like you get these moments where you feel it whether it's a psychedelic experience and your death experience profound love feeling Yeah, there's the birth of a child There's moments in life where you feel like everything's connected like you see Like through the curtains. Yeah, and you get a chance God is so much bigger than us or creativity than everything when something just comes to you Yeah, the fuck did that come from right? It's the yeah, it's in the it's in this It's in the space around you somehow or another like there's that's the concept of like consciousness being like what you're actually is tuning in to what's out there It's not local like your consciousness is not this local thing your your brain the local thing is just an antenna Yeah, and it's it's distributing this consciousness through your unique biology and your unique life experiences and Where you live and who your friends with and what you interact with on a daily basis What kind of energy get in what kind of energy you put out and it's all somehow or another bizarrely connected to the way the whole universe works Yeah, that it all works together as one unique gigantic system.

1:51:47Yeah religion foot philosophy Also your psychology it all is like yeah, there's one thing out there Yeah, you know, it's and you're like what the fuck it is and that's like I mean that's what it comes down to is like Consciousness and as you get older and more mortal on realizing we don't have that much more time That's the kind of shit. That's why I said it's stupid to think that when you're 19 to study philosophy and Like when you get older and you're feeling more mortal and your brains open to it. You're like what the fuck are we doing What's it all about you know, that's the craziest theory that Came from the Bob Lazar stuff The craziest you know the Bob Lazar stuff the guy was working the back engineering UFOs for the government in the 1980s Oh, this is what I've been waiting the whole fucking time to get into he told the same story about this guy's told the same story for 30 plus years the same story he was An engineer he worked at Los Alamos labs and Then he left there and they hired him to do propulsion work Right, and they brought him in and they showed him this thing that had an American flag on it And he was like oh it had an American flag sticker on it.

1:52:58He was like oh, they're ours That's why everybody's seeing these things. This is like some top -secret thing that we're working on and slowly but shortly and again This is not fact. He's just his story right slowly but shortly over time of He's brought into analyzes thing tell us how it works. He realized like this is not ours It's too small the the ship Was made for three -foot tall inhabitants Everything looked like it was 3D printed. There was no seams. There was no bolts The whole thing had no there was no electronics It somehow another was connected to the minds of the pilots And it had some sort of a reactor that had a stable form of element 115 Which was just theoretical at the time You know wasn't even proven until they proved it with a particle collider and like the 2000s So this guy was telling the story about how they have this element and The settlement with radiation and it makes this gravity propulsion device and it moved so one of the things that he said Was that they had a very thick Book that was all information about religion and that this was one of the things that they had got from these alien inhabitants That we are vessels that they look at us as containers for souls Well, that's That's a little dutty But also like if just think about this that sounds crazy that we're vessels for souls But imagine if the life force of a soul is a real thing that's limited to biological organisms But then you create life that is not biological And you create this thing that is this sentient life force that's digital completely digital But it doesn't have a life force it doesn't have soul to it now imagine you Bridge the gap with hybrids so you have a thing that is part alive part of biological organism and part can Interconnected and it needs to be if it if it wants to continue to have creativity Desire and needs and it it it it actually has a task that it wants to accomplish That this has to be connected somehow another the biology And that if you want biology you have to have a soul It's interesting because I speaking of kids I believe that humanity is a grand evolutionary experiment Because a lot of the Things that happen to you are weird like when you have a kid you change and when Man have kids they change when women have kids they change the kids change you like all these things up And it's just like this thing of like we have to do it we have to do it and And it puts you on a path and you're like are we a grand evolutionary experiment and if so why Well If this is what the universe does when it creates a period of beings It kind of makes sense that we have all the attributes that we have It makes sense that we're territorial and makes sense that we fight over resources and make sense that we're competitive And it makes sense that we're inquisitive and then we constantly search for innovation We want the newest best stuff all the time We have throughout human history.

1:56:01We've always aspired to have the best plows the best trucks the best this the best that We always want better and we're always working on these things. Yeah. What does that lead to that leads to artificial intelligence It's almost like that's what we're doing. We're making this cocoon and the butterflies gonna come out of the cocoon And we don't even know why we're making it. We're just fucking Toiling along doing our thing and it also connects to materialism because one of the things that materialism does is it encourages innovation And encourages constant purchasing of goods if the phones that we have right now are perfect and we never have to get a new phone All you have to is repair them.

1:56:36It would just be repair shops everywhere You would need a new phone. There would be no need for innovation light bulbs. Yeah, yeah, right But will light bulbs were better they used to be better because they didn't burn out they never burned out Yeah, but then they came out with the LED light bulbs and like that's actually even better Because then they don't you know, I like the old light bulbs. They're cool They never burned out. They are cool. No, those ones burned out. No, the original The original light bulbs never burned out. Yeah, they just have to make the film is bigger. Yeah We're just like nah making so they die off.

1:57:04Yeah, fuck those people make them buy another light bulb That's it. Yeah, all the time. Yeah, you shut the lights out. You're gonna burn the light bulbs Yeah, and then they burn they get black in the bottom. I like shit. We lost the light bulb. Yeah, yeah But if phones were I mean if we're satisfied phones are so good. Why do we need new phones? Yeah We do a whole the iPhone 16's coming out. Are you gonna get it? Oh Samsung has a 25 ultra 25's got a better zoom And you just fucking keep hopping on that It's just a normal thing that we do we do it with computers. We do with everything. Yeah, we do with cars And I think that that's the constant thirst is it more is more is law?

1:57:41Yeah, more is law But more is laws out the window. It's out the window. It's all exponential anyway As soon as all this stuff gets popped out as soon as we give birth to that a .i .d .min So I cut you off when I shouldn't have because I was wanting to hear you talk to more people who are more connected about aliens than anybody else So I wanted to sort of mind that a little bit. So so so so he it's three Foot high aliens who have we have their technology in area 54 or whatever Supposedly area 51 supposedly s4 area 51 s4 is where the site four is where he worked see I don't know you know I don't know how much of its bullshit I think some of its bullshit right so whatever it is you have to say some of its bullshit That it seems like the United States government is spending an inordinate amount of time studying these things There seems like there's a ton of whistleblowers There's a ton of programs that most of us did not know about So why do these programs exist?

1:58:39So it is either Top secret drone program that has a super sophisticated propulsion system that's far beyond anything that we're aware of today That's probably true as well But also the universe is filled with stars the universe is filled with planets the odds that none of them have life are very low There's firmeys paradox like where are they well they probably Don't want us to know too much about what they are because they want us to figure out a way our brains will be blown Well also like get to the next level right get to the next level and keep getting You don't you don't just fly in and give people death rays like star Trek Yeah, you can't you can't change their evolution.

1:59:20So I would imagine the correct The correct path is to let people evolve Let people make these mistakes figure it out have revolutions have elections. Yeah, have innovation Have this constant desire also if they come then we think oh there's the gods. There's the things as angels There's the whatever exactly that's the problem too And then also I think there's probably an interdimensional aspect to it There's probably some things that aren't even real that you're seeing But they are real somewhere else and you have a window to them There's probably bizarre states of consciousness where the A certain amount of psychedelic chemicals are released by your brain in the certain level of anxiety and a certain Environment and circumstance where you have access to a frequency that's not normally available to you I think some people are having these kind of experiences and they're calling them aliens I but I do think there's something going on with crafts And the thing about these crafts is they existed way before There's any be a reasonable assumption that people had technology that could do those things like the Kenneth Arnold Scythians from the 1950s are the best example something that was moving far faster than anything that we had Silent looked like a saucer skipping over the sky.

2:00:35They saw like a bunch of them flying around These guys are fighter jet pilots. They don't have a history of making up things They're not liars and there's a ton of those sightings. Yeah, and those sightings go way back They go way back and it's probably some of the stories in the bible and the Bhagavad Gita You know, there's there's a bunch of stories about Flying things and flying chariots and wars in the sky There's some wild shit and you got to imagine that if this is a Long slow process that every intelligent being goes through in the universe. This is just like We look out we see all these different planets that are in the Goldilocks zone So we know that the kind of life that we have can can exist in these planets How many of them have people or things or some form of super intelligent Organism.

2:01:27Yeah, probably infinite numbers probably infinite numbers and they probably visit emerging civilizations It just makes sense just like we would just like we would visit a stone age culture and watch them from afar If we found some lost tribe in Siberia, you know with fucking the island of India Yes north central island. Yeah, there's there's tons of examples of how we behave in those situations and we're retarded If you imagine something that's far more advanced than us, it would be much more sophisticated in its approach Probably would occasionally abduct people and study their biology Probably does have a way to erase memories Probably does leave people with like significant trauma and confusion as to like how this experience Is real what how do you put in the context of your normal day -to -day life?

2:02:15How come it never happens again? Yeah, you're just sitting home What is this gonna happen again? And then the rest of your life you like freaked out the walls are gonna melt And also you know you're gonna be on spaceship again If that is real like who fucking knows and those those people Imagine being one of those poor people that does get abducted by aliens and everybody thinks you're an idiot Everybody thinks you're a liar. Everybody thinks you're a fool. Oh my gloss is mine. Thanks. You got abducted by aliens. Maybe I'm really dead Well, that's gonna be a problem when when when people finally find out they're gonna be like hold on a second now It's gonna be a real problem and I think it's a slow trickle So I think that that's what we're experiencing and I think this is normal I think there's like deep denial in the 1960s and there's also operation blue book Which is a concerted effort to dismiss all the sightings as illegitimate and swamp gas and all I mean Jay Allen Heineck who ran that program Eventually when he left the program became a huge what UFO believer and then completely changes tune and explained how he was told To debunk everything there was a bunch of things that he couldn't debunk there.

2:03:17I think the numbers like 90 10 90 % of the things you could you go that's the that's the Venus that's this that's that 10 % There's no fucking way. This is like whatever this is this physical evidence. There's a bunch of shit Something happened and he was a believer before he died a big believe and a proponent and we talk about UFOs openly And I think there's too many of those guys for it all to be bullshit There's too many people for it all to be bullshit, but some of it is bullshit and some of it is hours I think some of it is I think some of it might be back engineered I think some of the Bobbless are stuff might be legitimate like they They found things whether these things were left behind for us to discover Whether they you know that made some sort of a deal right, but I think I think there's intelligent life other than human beings That interacts with us.

2:04:04I think oh, that's what I Yeah, look it's interesting my whole thing is I don't know But it's interesting and why and why not Like look into it and why not read about it and why not I mean People like well, everyone's just as the other thing not just with this with everything everyone's so dismissive About everything and I know why you're a fucking wing nut if you yeah If you believe in that shit or if you read about it or if you want to look into it. I'm like I have questions Right. I want to ask questions. Why why is it bad to ask questions? Why can't I talk about why can I think about by the way people freak out To we're talking and you're like why You were two guys chopping it up Like on your front porch and and be like look let's ask questions.

2:04:49You're an interesting guy You meet a lot of interesting people so you are well informed well informed. I'd say better than I'd say 90 % 99 % people Okay, let's talk about it. That's interesting. Yeah, no it is interesting. I think so yeah Obviously a lot of people agree. It's just you're always gonna have people complaining. You just can't listen Yeah, that's the thing. It's like if you live your life by the whim of people that are willing to complain openly about almost anything You're gonna live a terrible life. Yeah, and these kind of things if they're not fascinating to you That's fine, but that's you but I don't know how you could not be fascinated by congressional disclosures whistleblowers talking about Programs that are beyond oversight that are retrieving crashed UFOs and back engineering them and we've been doing this for decades Because if they're telling the truth either this is a spectacular lie or they're telling the truth Yeah, and if they're telling the truth how fucking you not interested.

2:05:46How are you not interested? What I have to go another level is the problem that I have is you're like, okay, we're interested in Big Farmer. We're interested in big food. We're interested in oil. We're interested in military industrial company We're interested all this stuff But if you start talking about aliens or if you start talking about this if you start talking about Multi -dimensional whatever people while negates all the other stuff you talking why only to idiots There's way more people that are even the New York Times in 2017. They say posted legitimate journalism on Oh, that's a good point on UFOs, but a lot of people you got you you know sure You can't listen to them people.

2:06:22There's a lot of people that could join it cult Like if you want to start a cult you could probably do a really good job You probably have a lot of people in your cult. Yeah, so we really do have the biggest cult around pretty easy to do Right why because a lot of people are gullible and they're stupid. It's easy to get people to do things It's easy to get people mad. It's easy to get people That think that Donald Trump is Hitler and it's easy to get people to think that Donald Trump is Jesus it's like There's a lot of opinions out there. That's fine. It's part of the fun of life That is and morons and their stupid opinions is also flavor.

2:06:50It's a little bit of flavor in the the soup of life There you go. So I'm pepper. Yeah, and sometimes morons learn I You saw in pepper union Yang I wanted to I saw that on your thing that what was it the molecule to the life? We still can't figure out exactly what that is so What this is is quantum entangled photons? Yeah, and the image that you're seeing in these quantum entangled photons is a Yin and Yang symbol wow, but we're trying to figure out And this is where it gets like in the weed scientifically is that what it looks like or did you make it look like that? To represent These quantum entangled photons, but the shape is arbitrary like you chose a shape To get these quantum entangled photons to exist in I don't know how you would do that I don't know I don't know this I don't understand the way they're recording it I don't understand the technology behind it.

2:07:45I don't understand the science behind here. We go Sciences have used first of its kind technique to visualize Two entangled light particles in real time making them appear as a stunning quantum Yin Yang so we don't know if that's how it looks where if they the scientists made it look that way Again, I'm reading this. I don't know what the telling me right a reconstruction of a holographic image of two entangled photons The new method called bifoton digital holography uses an ultra high precision camera and could be used to massively speed up the future quantum measurements So there so this is the where the way it's worded go back to the way it's being insanely cool if it's the way it's word is just weird It's a first of its technique to visualize To entangled light particles in real time But this is the part that gets me making them appear as a stunning quantum Yin Yang symbol.

2:08:35You don't know. It's like what are you saying? Yeah, it's not clear. Yeah, it would be fucking cool if it was true. Yeah, it would be super cool. It was true But I think they made something this so that they would know if it worked If it were giving us as long as we see this at the end result and Right, so like I don't understand that I don't understand anything. It's too stupid for this conversation But just the fact that you that we know that quantum entangled particles are real just the fact that we know this spooky action in a distance and Einstein talked about The fact that we know that quantum particles can exist in a state of motion and Still at the same time they could be in super position like what do you say they they they go in and out of existence It's measurable.

2:09:19Yeah, we don't know where they go. Yeah, we don't know what's happening. Oh, it's magic It's all magic and then the fact that Adams are like mostly empty space like what does that even mean? Yeah, what are you talking about? What does that mean how are they connected? Yeah, just the nature of existence itself is magical Yeah, when I so when I went out into To listen and he he was picking up fucking yellow like uranium and turning yellow cake And he was just speaking to me like as we'll talk about someone who's interesting and he's like well I mean, we all know that like uranium is like stars, you know parts of stars that explode and like hit the earth because I flew and so we're just taking a star That landed on earth and we're taking a piece of it and then we're releasing its power And I'm like I didn't know that He's like he's speaking like everybody knows that and I'm like wait a minute uranium Is like an x star that blew up that landed on earth and then you can take it and that's how you do it And he's like yeah, well we are that we are there.

2:10:20Yeah, I mean it was that song we But but but but uranium is like the sort of the fucking like the concentrate is And you're like oh, you're making by that fusion reactor is making a star. So you're making a star out of a star Yeah, you're taking star dust and turning into a star What How smart are people people are fucking smart pretty amazing and you need that in order of power quantum computing By the way, you need multiple nuclear reactors to power quantum computing All of it's bananas man. It's bananas. It's all I mean thank God There's so many different kinds of people because people that are Holy obsessed in pursuing now.

2:10:57Yeah, you know, there's guys like us who will talk about it. Yeah, exactly Know what they're talking about. Oh, I think this is what it is. Yeah, Taylor's gonna call me go what the fuck are you talking about? I'm so fascinated by the people that studied just the universe itself because they're constantly dealing with new data Like this James Webb telescope thing. It's like thrown everything into a tizzy. Yeah, you know, there's these new Red spots that were there the formation of the universe They don't know what the fuck they are and they went away. Yeah, like what is that? Love it. Yeah, I'll send it to Jamie because it's one of those ones where you're like you read it And you're like what does that even mean?

2:11:32What are you saying like what is this? Yeah, that's why I love to Interview people who are much smarter than me because again, I only understand half of what they're saying But yeah, it's it is I mean it does because we think we know what we're talking about Especially like scientists and physicists and anyway, and then something will happen. They're like yeah, that was all bullshit It's all new now. This is it on life science James Webb telescope found hundreds of little red dots in the ancient universe We still don't know what they are. Yeah small galaxies that either crammed with stars or they host gigantic black holes The data astronomers have collected continues the puzzle them And then there's the data where they're finding galaxies that were formed too quickly So it's throwing into like they're starting to consider the possibility that the universe is far older than they thought it was It's it's amazing.

2:12:21I love it. It's not It's probably filled with life just like this. There's probably people doing stupid shit all over the universe Can you imagine that if they fucking finally find out and they went yeah, they like Egypt What do you got there? Well, no, I want I thought I thought I was one of those on it mushroom things, but by the way you sent me and I loved them Which ones do you alphabane? Alphabane, yeah, that's not mushrooms. We have a mushroom one. I have a I was called true. You send me a mushroom. Shroom kick. Yeah, that's a workout one. Whatever you send it That's a quarter -sepths mushroom.

2:12:55It's great for oxygen utilization. Yeah, you sent it legit And you don't have to just buy it from us from buy it from on it go get quarter -sepths mushrooms super legit endurance supplement I know it's for two Concentration Each use really good. Well, that's alpha brain. That's alpha brain. That's yeah alpha brain is the the new tropic that the alpha brain We have a black label. That's like a super strong one now. That's really good But there's a fun either but I loved it. I love the you gave it to me. I was like wow. This is fucking awesome Neutropic is a legit and it's not just That's for just a not smoke.

2:13:24No, no, I don't smoke. This is just um fun Gives me a little extra energy. Yeah, just a little nicotine. We Makes the brain fire up. Yeah, it does. Yeah nicotine for the brain. It's really good for your brain Yeah, it actually is it's just terrible for your lungs. Yeah, wow if you smoke Yeah, the probably the best way to probably a patch But that just feels weird walking around with no nicotine good for the brain bad for well I know guys who do that when they work they put a nicotine patch on just for just really nicotine is a legit Neutropic as well. Yeah, nicotine actually like positively affects cognitive function Yeah, I knew I knew it was good for the brain But not the long thing is more the smoking because it's like when you burn something It's you have three thousand carcinogen.

2:14:06They've is fucking terrible for you too. Anything you Yeah, well anything you're putting in your lung you're putting chemicals near your lungs I'm not supposed to go in there like get fired up that way. Yeah, except weed of course man You know, it's another unheralded Neutropic creatine Creatine actually increases cognitive performance. I don't know what creatine is. It's a muscle supplement It's like a supplement that they figured out in the 90s and people started equating it almost like steroids like Oh, like it was like a scandal like the Creatine like the scoops. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it in gummy form.

2:14:38I get creatine gummies You just chew a few of them every day great for your brain great for your brain great for muscle recovery There's a bunch of different stuff that's good for your brain. Yeah You ever tried neuro gum? I don't know Neurogums great. It's just gum. It's just gum. You chew it and it's got Fienine in it and a little bit of caffeine great for firing your brain So when you're doing this podcast thing, do you have like a weekly schedule you do it twice a week? Yeah We just started I did I've done like five um and like again, so you do it once a week Yeah, see me once a week see me once a week and um I do like I You know, I I'm interested in a lot of stuff and so I'm new to the podcast game, but I I start it's like basically I start out.

2:15:24It's like They're long they're like three -parts and it starts out with something. I'm fascinated by it's on social media So for example, as a reason why I'm talking about this stuff, but like you know Something can come up and there's memes and like these assassinations and then there's conspiracy theories on both sides And I'm like everyone's interested in it. Why don't we dig into it? Let's dig in right And so I dig in and I you know, I know a lot of people can call them get access and talk to them I just ask questions again. I'm not but I'm not I don't have like I'm not trying to shoehorn Anything into anything.

2:15:54I'm just like what just talk just don't go. What is this? Yeah, yeah, and and so I find that really Really fun? Uh really interesting. Are you mixing this in with investigative journalism? Are you like going places and talking? Yeah, so I'm doing all together then I'm just meeting interesting people And I'll meet somebody interesting. I'll just say fuck it. We'll just talk and it'll just be a straight podcast and we're just talking for like two hours like Peter Dale Scott blew my mind and and You know, there's a lot of people out there like it'll be a mix of Big names, but I also want to go talk to the people who are you know putting stuff up and Where they're getting their stuff and where they're getting their facts just dig in basically and you can dig in on the high end and dig on the low What I found is if you get in the creation of the meme and who's creating it It sort of starts as a wide thing and then it goes down into like some sort of uh, like a philosophy or something bigger and then when you get to the people who are like for example with the assassination attempts It got pretty quickly into the deep state and I'm like well, let's talk about the deep state because everyone bandies The word around but nobody fucking really knows what it is if you like want to get into clinical explanations or Have real positive facts about what are the like you know historical evidence so that this exists in that they do this all the fucking time right and so I'm like okay Let's let's chop it up and get into it and that that was like you know super fun um and and and so I'm getting into all the stuff that I find interesting Online and and and on you know in social media and saying let's just get into it Yeah, just whatever you're interested whatever I mean I did the thing look I I love all this stuff So like I mean right now I'm doing a lot of political stuff because it's the electoral cycle.

2:17:38It's crazy. Mm -hmm um And there's a lot there's a lot so much fucking bullshit like and then when you see stuff you're like well Where's it coming from right like where's this fucking coming from well that's what you're right? Everyone has an agenda. Sorry Well, that's just what's so crazy about having so many different groups manipulating us through bots That we don't really know what people actually think and the problem with people is they don't really know what they actually think They know like what people like there's a large percentage I'm gonna just say men because these are ones that bother me the most sir Men who say things because they know that people want to hear them and because they know it won't get them in trouble to say it And they don't necessarily believe it Like it could be about trans athletes.

2:18:26It could be about like some sort of it's a lot of it's connected to woke stuff Yeah, politically correct a lot of it's connected to ideology You know Like they'll have super positive gaslighting version of what's going on at the border You know they're and they do it because they have super positive. Yeah super positive like you know It's important immigration is important and you know It's very difficult for these people otherwise. Okay, and they have this like soul shit. Yeah. Okay. Also terrorists Okay, also murderers and rapists getting released from Venezuela in prisons making the waste across the border Yeah, all that's real, but there's two sides to that story.

2:19:02That's the one thing too like 100 % so I when I did my dive into immigration You're like because the reason why I got into this you see the gates opening up and people coming through and I'm like Hold on a second. I've been reporting on the border for I don't know 10 years There's no fucking gate where people fucking run through the gate right right and then you look into the the thing And it's like oh yeah, like that was before the border. It's after the border And this they were trying to get to the border because what they try to do is like basically touch the fucking fence of the border guards With the income so that they can get processed right and so like the gates open and all that shit and the whole like Open border shit right this is not true, but you mean it's not true It's not you don't have an open border where people are just fucking coming in like look I'm an immigrant like I know how it works You have to come in and it's really hard.

2:19:52Have you been down to the south? Yeah, we've been down to the south We've rode the beast. We're in the Darien gap look hold on that before I get fucking in today But there's on the other side. Yes, it's true So there's there's an immigration problem a huge immigration problem And there are bad people getting through and there are cartels running things and there are illegal people and they're all stuff And by the way the Republicans have a great message that they stay on the Democrats don't have a response to that message right there just it's a political Fucking quagmire, but I don't care about the political quagmire I'm like let's go down we talked to the head of the border guards We talked to the both the head of the border as we talked to sheriff's we talked to militia dudes in in Texas we talked to we talked to everybody right and the problem is is there's just fucking shit on both sides and there's no Fucking sanity when it comes to immigration.

2:20:41There's nobody really saying okay. This is what's happening here This is what's happening here. Yes, this is bad, but this is this and this is that and the other thing and there's two Narratives and one narrative is there's open borders with rapist and murderers coming in indeed the cats leading the dogs And then on the other side there's no real well That's not really happening what happened was they were in Mexico And now that they're being released in here and then here's the stats 80 % are come to their to their meetings like they're whatever the fuck it is Forget in the word now, but when they get like after they get processed No, but they get processed and then they have to come to a meeting in a meeting in a meeting and the democrats are like that's 85 % And then and the republicans are it's like 90 % don't come and 85 % do come Well, where's the fucking stats coming from can we not talk to homeland so we reached out to homeland we reached out to the fucking Committee that runs immigration we reached out to everybody and this is why it gets so Frustrating is because nobody like every every answer is different Every answer is completely different story to interrupt but that this is why I find it fascinating because there are especially on immigration There are so many givens about what shit means and in actual fact like an open border doesn't mean an open border It doesn't mean you can just fuck a walk across the border Into America.

2:21:57That's not that doesn't happen. But some people are walking across the border into America They're getting smuggled or they're trying to get to the border where they give themselves up to border guards who then processed them They become processed and they get kicked out they go back they stay here They and then they get fucking whatever There's there's 50 different things that can happen But like to me when I saw the open borders so they'll still have a tweet right And it'll say open borders and they'll have a fucking gate opening with people running through that gate So you think like oh, that's the gate to America that people are running through Well, there's a lot of openings I mean that's not the thing about it turns out that that those That footage is all of course not true.

2:22:39There are there are openings in the sense of people can smuggle themselves in through the desert I think smuggle but people just go across on their own accord too. It's not just like smuggling. Well, there's a lot of smuggling There's a lot of smuggled a lot of it. I mean a lot of it is run by the cartels. Yeah, and which is bad It's horrible. Well, there's a lot of missing children exactly. That's really it's like somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 ,000. It's very bad. Scary very scary and but I'm just saying like when you get into immigration as a thing We're getting into it now you get two narratives to completely different narratives and near the tween show me That's the interesting thing is usually eventually you can get down to something right and on this one.

2:23:17You're like You like to pet you literally excuse me literally depends on who you're talking to Right sip water. Yeah, that's what's scary about today is that it's hard to figure out and Depending upon what tribe you're a part of you know if you're the on the the tribe of the right you think one thing You're in the tribe of the left even if you're a tribeless. I'm sitting there going. Okay So they'll talk to them about something so I remember When I was interviewing Obama at the end of his presidency I was like, you know, what are you're big? You know, and all he wanted to talk about was the Republicans He didn't want to talk about His presidency that so I went to go speak He speaker bainer because I was talking about speaker.

2:23:54Oh by the way Lovely guy great guy and he wanted to talk about his thing and so he talked And again, they're the tween show me and you're like at some point you got to get down to this Colonel of truth and on immigration It's almost impossible to find Or it's maybe it is impossible to find well the bottom line is a lot of people are being brought into this country and then being shipped to swing states That's real That's undeniable the the percentage of people that are in swing states of illegal immigrants moving to swing states is off the hook It's crazy. It's an bizarre number. It seems to be a strategy.

2:24:29It seems to be a strategy because they can't vote of course you can't eventually they can they're trying to do that I mean, you can vote like in 10 20 years. Well, it's like going to be a no ID voting. Okay, right? This is something that they're pushed in California and they pushed a lot of places There's only one reason to have no ID That's to have people that can vote that shouldn't be voting That's the only reason if you only want the people to vote that should be voting you ask for ID Just like you ask for ID for everything else For getting on an airplane for every even I look I believe in ID.

2:24:59I'm just saying I'm just saying No ID the only reason have no ID and to push that and it's only being pushed by the Democrats There's only one reason that makes any logical sense You want people to vote that probably shouldn't be voting so you can get some extra votes That's the only thing that makes sense So then if you have people like Nancy Pelosi who's openly talked about giving amnesty to the people that are already here You have voters now So you have voters in swing states that you brought into this country and you provided them an amazing life in the Democrats Bottom there they're going to be loyal to the Democrats Especially if the Democrats continue to provide them with housing and money and why would you vote that out?

2:25:35Why would you vote for a bunch of people that wanted to port you? They're talking about mass deportations Imagine if you came here from Haiti you lived terribly poor life in Haiti now you have a good job in Springfield, Ohio And you're like I can't fucking believe we're in America. This is amazing And someone comes along gives you the ability to vote and then another group is saying we're going to mass deportate you Because you people are eating all the dogs and all the cats Then there's like this fucking Of course you're you're getting voters You're bringing in voters and you're getting voters you're going to get them to vote for something I haven't seen I'm not denying it or That's something we haven't seen like personally right We haven't seen it, but it's clearly a strategy You could employ and if you were going to employ that wouldn't you move those people to swing states?

2:26:18You would and if you find out that there's an app that you can use and you use this app and they'll let you in the country You can schedule a way to illegally move to the country and then you're legally protected once you've done that So it's basically an open border Hmm Okay, you know what I'm saying? Like I do not know the app that you know how hard it was for you to become an American person Okay, it was very difficult. You came from time right it takes a long time to long time to vote Long time to do the thing and you have to give a reason why you supposed to be the you you have to be an exceptional person Yeah, you have to study in which I did and I got 100 % of my testing I have a couple of friends of mine are just coming here from England And they wanted me I had us do this visa thing for yeah Like give them a recommendation, but you have to be exceptional.

2:27:03You do something special. Yeah, or you can get on that app Well, just come over Look, I'm not gonna get too into the app because I only Did it through interviews, but the app is an actual thing that tracks the The people who come into the country. It's done by It allows you to schedule its homeland following them around it allows you to schedule And entrance into the country. Yeah, they're doing it to try to stop the waves of the illegals and making it somewhat legal And it seems like it's simpleifies people being able to get in the country illegally I'm actually not going to defend it or talk about anymore because I know the app exists And I know what you're talking about I know it's for you right it does people do and they sign up to it and then they come and they get processed And then they wait for the thing and the bubble was the big argument on the debate between JD events and Tim Walls You know, and they tried to frame it as if this had existed for a long time And that's when JD Vance had a step up and stop them and say you said you weren't gonna fact check And that's this is whether that that's not true that app did not exist You can literally schedule it It used to be for people that are already here.

2:28:08Yeah, like for you know What which you know kids that were born in Mexico, but have lived their entire life in America Yeah, we got a fair not a way to citizenship for those folks. That's fucking crazy If you I know a girl she's 28 years old and she came over here when she was a baby And she's not an American citizen. Yeah, because her family's from Mexico. Yeah, that's crazy Yeah, to me that's crazy. That doesn't make any sense. She's been here a whole life. She's a goddamn American. Yeah, like Let's figure that out. I have look again. I have no Dog in the race. I was literally just trying to get to Some sort of okay, that's what are the facts?

2:28:42I didn't like that's one thing and like we I got I talked to everybody I could on both sides and Again, again, it's so confusing that even now I'm like After having time like it's it seems like a strategy It does it look it could be a strategy and there's a strategy on both sides for sure and but you're it's just like it's it's it's so fucked up to try to find the facts on this stuff Right everybody has facts. Don't like I'm gonna be inundated with everyone has fucking tons of facts But what are the fucking facts? But what's real exactly right? Well, that's what so many things I mean we had that with covid we have that with the Ukraine war like who's responsible?

2:29:20Is it NATO? Is it like what it did someone cross a red line with someone violet and agreement? What is happening in Israel? Right. Are they really hiding in tunnels like is Israel really shooting aid workers? What it's going on? What are the real facts? What are the facts and and that's what I want to do them on the on the podcast and sometimes you get there and sometimes you know and Just immigration obviously being very interesting one and I'm gonna continue on it because I'm like it's not satisfactory Although maybe that's just the answer the answer is it's such a fucking huge and confusing issue We it is absolutely a huge and confusing issue and also if you're a human being you have empathy If I lived in Ecuador or wherever it's folks are from and I found out you could just cross America or you could get on your app And you can get into America 100 % I would do it and you would too and yeah We have the greatest country in the world and that's why people want to come here And yeah, you have this land of opportunity.

2:30:13It's amazing But what we really have to do is make sure we don't let in murders and fucking killers and rapists and thieves and gang members and a lot of them are getting through And that's what we have to be careful, but it's not just not letting people in sure I mean I bet we could sustain a lot more people in this country and I bet a lot of those people that come over are hard working Very ambitious people that are excited to be here that they would love to be a part of the American experience They probably love to recognize as Americans Yes, immigration as it's being run right now is a fucking catastrophe I think we're going on that and it has to be fixed it has to be fixed, but the question is But how do you fix it if if nobody If it's become so political and you can get into COVID on this exact same problem.

2:30:59It's become so political That there's no fucking root basis and truth right people believe on one side this thing and believe on the other side This thing and fucking nobody's gonna meet him right and you're like what the fuck so then they need a show like yours to like lay it out That's what it is you need something where someone is like and you at least try and not come at it from a right wing perspective Or left wing perspective just come at it from like this is what it is yeah I think this more politically homeless people now than ever I really do believe that and they're gonna have side with one side of the other based on their opinion Mostly about Donald Trump, but other than that It's like you're trying to figure out like what team you belong on and Both teams are filled with scoundrels you go far enough to the left and far enough to the right you have the same kind of monster This is adopted a different ideology.

2:31:45It's all it is And the other politicians and it's not just politicians. It's gang members It's just it's the politicians of course that are like the leaders, but you've got these gang members because Basically anybody can join anybody could join the left and anybody can join the right and there's a lot of mentally ill people out And so they join this and their whole identity revolves on Crushing the right or crushing the left and owning the lives You know that's that's a giant percentage of social media all these mentally ill people that are in a gang And that's all it is and that's why they attack people try to de -platform them try to get them fired Letter campaigns their gang members.

2:32:25It's gang and it gives them purpose because they don't have purpose in their life Which is why they're on Twitter 12 hours a day because they're mentally ill And it's exacerbated by social media. It is because it's become so big. It is informing policy I mean on both sides because because if you look at What gets adopted as narrative Then that it's been the narrative is being written on social media. It's not being written by traditional news right and so Fine like that's that's why I'm like hold on a second. I'm fascinated by this shit. You're fascinated by I think pretty much everybody's fascinated by this shit It's when it's informing policy, but nobody's actually reporting on it or getting in or getting in everybody's still and I fuck I don't give you shit about the mainstream media I give you shit about this stuff the only way you find the truth is social media It's just you have to do a lot of sifting a lot of sifting you gotta figure out who's legit a lot of stuff And that's where community notes comes in very handy.

2:33:19Yeah, I like that And it it it clowns people on both sides. Yeah, and it's good. It's very important Well, that's so that's what I said I said look I'm just gonna go in and try to try to dig through some of the shit Which by the way proved to be a lot harder? I fucking real journalism right like if you want to do that I mean you know better than anybody. It's real journalism. Yeah, and it's look. It's fun because There's a lot of people want to talk Yeah, and especially the way you're doing it now where you know small Small, baby keep it tight small baby tight chip. I learned from the best. It's Nobody wants to listen I swear from the best all these dudes they get they get big and then they have staff and I go over there play I'm like why are all these people here?

2:34:01Dude, so many people here. There's a mess. You did it right. I got a gift you man. You did it right and by the way Surprisingly maybe not surprisingly very wise. I I'm speaking to know of which I speak. I didn't fucking do it right So I'm gonna have I'm saying you did so nobody came knocking with those dollars, you know I didn't have a thing that you could sell like that, you know, because my thing only works if I'm at the microphone It's a different thing and it only works if I keep doing exactly the same way do it, baby. I love it I'm proud of you Beautiful baby boy We've known each other a long time long time bro.

2:34:38It's kind of crazy long time long time I was back in the fucking Tarzan or whatever it was just over. Mm -hmm. Was that Tarzan? Woodland Hills Woodland Hills Yeah, the old old school Yeah, you got me so fucked up on one of your fucking crazy weed fucking This is a fucking purple haze fucking white widow probably some joy deus And I remember just like wrong like either is a microphone here. Yeah, that's the problem We used to get people way high before the show and then they would kind of close off Not again be paranoid. No, it's terrible because I a couple of drinks maybe what I can't like if one I'm stone I'm like, and you know, I can't talk is a bad strategy Pretty funny though.

2:35:17It was fun for me. I used to love to get my opening acts super high Yeah, just watching panic when they go out there. I'm like don't worry about it. Just go have fun You got to learn how to be yourself in that fog and maybe you can find something different when you're out there You yeah, if you if you're like smoking it all the time Whatever you can get through it or say, but if you're just coming in going Oh, I'm gonna sit down with the fucking number one podcast. We want to get as stone as I've ever been And fucking The word the scariest thing is when you're talking and you don't know what you're talking.

2:35:47Oh, yeah You lose train and you're like I have no idea what I'm talking about and I don't know what to come back But all you need is footnote someone goes uh trains. Yes. Yes, the train That door opens up in your brain and you have access to all the information again It's weird how it sort of compartmentalizes memory like that Those were I got to say though those were fucking fun and good days and And you fucking blew up like an atom bomb dude. It's weird But it what they were fun days because we were doing it for the right reasons. It was just for fun It was just to do it because like can they all it didn't make any money for so long.

2:36:23It was just how long years Years five years. Yeah, something like that and like who was like it was like on it and yeah It basically paid to keep the lights on and paid for the web hosts and all the you know The how much did it cost back then to put it up? I don't remember It was pretty and in the beginning it was super cheap because it was just a laptop and a microphone Yeah, that was super cheap and then we started expanding and then once I got a the first studio I'm like, well, I really need a bigger one then I got a warehouse and then Then it started getting worse the one in woodland hills then that was like the first iteration or second?

2:36:58I had to woodland hills. You did you go to the warehouse one? I went to the tiny one Yeah, so there's a tiny one and then we had the big ass warehouse. We had a jam in there all kinds of stuff Yeah, it's just it's like everything things scale up, but the most important thing is like The reason why podcasts work I think is because people are listening and they know it's just a conversation So it works in your mind it resonates in your mind You know there's this is not like some heavily produced produce thing or there's an agenda And there's a script and a teleprompter and you're trying to pretend that you're being real but you're not being real So it doesn't feel right to people right doesn't resonate right and so the more people you have involved in it the more It's not gonna feel right, you know I like my friend had a studio and he has a glass wall and the the production staff was all working and walking around in This behind this glass wall and he sees them and I go that's a distraction.

2:37:56Yeah, why do you have that? This is bad for the conversation. Yeah, you've missed the point the point what the reason why it works is because the people at home The people that are in there the ear pods on right now going on a jog They're just as much in this room as you and I are because there's no filters. It's just us I'm taking mental notes right now because we fucked up a few of those things but you're exactly right Everybody thinks that they want to be a television show. Yeah And if you look at a television show, that's professional professional. I don't think professionals good Yeah, I don't think it's good.

2:38:28I don't think that's why I'm gonna take the best comedy shows or live comedy shows You want to see comedy watching on Netflix is awesome. Yeah watching live is 70 % better. Yeah, because you're there It's a really experience collective experience. Yeah, go back to your world. Yeah, yeah movie theaters. Yep rocks rock concerts Comedy shows. Yeah, and I think once AI comes around live performance is gonna be one of the few ways that we're gonna be able to connect with each other That's human thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah in a real way. Mm -hmm. And that's uh It's a scary A scary proposition because we really don't know like maybe for the first time ever if you live in 1970 You're pretty sure what 1980 was gonna be like maybe you're wrong a little bit But it was you're probably pretty accurate.

2:39:15You could extrapolate you could look at it and go I see where this is going Today we have zero idea what 2034 looks like We are just guessing I'll go further than that. I was driving around our studios and van nines and uh I was driving from Malibu to van nines and I'm like if you drive through like I don't know what that's why I said Tarzanis Probably Tarzanis it literally hasn't changed a lot since 1924 right like it's like the same house is Same fucking like okay the cars are different, but there's cars and there's phones But like okay, there's a bit of technology, but like it kind of is the same.

2:39:49Look's the same looks the same There's not a lot really and you're like okay 100 years from now This fucking looks nothing Yeah nothing like it does today. Yeah, that's scary. It is scary. It's weird But we will remain yeah, we both said like look you can either be positive Is to about it and say look let's mold it to be like great I can fucking do something I love rather than working a fucking factory fucking punching out to You know tool and die fucking pieces. I can I you know go do what my first love was or something that I makes me feel filled with joy or We can become fucking Autobots who are crying because if I can online Yeah, I driven girlfriend dump me.

2:40:32Well the thing is also today There's these kind of conversations that are out there that put these thoughts into people's minds and inspire them to do something That didn't exist when we were young Yeah, what there wasn't these kind of conversations that could really light up the fires of your creativity true And your ambition and you just like the opposite. Yeah, it was the opposite was no. Yeah, yeah shut up Yeah, you had to be a real rebel. Yeah, you had to be a kind of a crazy person. That's right. Take that path You had to be pumped you had to be fucking an outsider. Yeah, otherwise people were like conforms Just fucking do what everybody else is doing being a accountant.

2:41:04Yeah, and as you're struggling If you got outside the lines and you were taking a chance as you're struggling people were praying for you to fall. Yeah, all of them praying that it'll yeah didn't work out because it shows them up. Yeah They've made the wrong choice. Yeah, they don't like it, but that's true. That is true people want you to fail They do and tell you succeed and then they're like I was always in your corner The thing is some people don't though Some people actually want you to succeed and they want they succeed themselves They want you to succeed like you can you realize like that's a better way to live.

2:41:38Yeah, I'm sure I am too Adopt that you can adopt that even if it doesn't feel right because you're like grinding you trying to make it out I'm telling you The hoping other people fail is the biggest waste of energy even your enemies let them Fucking just live in their own life. Don't don't hope they fail. Don't don't put any energy towards it Everyone's just trying to get through the day. I like I'm a cheerleader and again When When when people I know or when my friends do well, I'm like there's nobody happier than me Like that's fucking awesome. Yeah, that's just awesome and also and when people you know Fail or have a hard time.

2:42:15We're like okay, bro. Let's but what can we do? Let's fucking do it again Let's fucking get we get get get get get back on the horse. Let's figure it out and yeah, because otherwise it's just a fucking bummer You're right. Yeah. Yeah Ain't no fun at the homes can't have none. I mean that's all yeah All right, brother tell everybody where is where where how can they find it? Where do they go? That's good We just started but it's I think on YouTube it's Shane Smith has questions and wherever you can listen to podcasts I guess all right, but I appreciate the plug you gotta come on some good to see you my friend.

2:42:49I love you too Bye, buddy