#2223 - Elon Musk

25:01And, but I had like tons of people calling me this weekend saying, oh, Trump says he's going to put Liz Cheney in a firing squad. Like that is an outrageous lie. And legacy media ran with that lie, big time. Yeah, it's crazy. It's, it's just wild to see. And if it wasn't for Twitter or X now, I don't think we would know about all this stuff. I think it would be very difficult for you. I think YouTube throttle, they did something where they won't say what they did, but they did something where with the Trump interview that I did. Yeah. Where you couldn't find it. It doesn't make sense. Like, like, I made no sense.

25:33I mean, it's like the, it was like the biggest interview on earth. Yeah. And you can't find it. Yeah. Not only that, it wasn't trending. Bull shit. It wasn't trending. It wasn't trending. No, it wasn't trending. You're like, like, it's just no excuse for that, man. No excuse. It was getting a million views. One point, what was it? One point four an hour at one point time? One point five. One point five an hour. Yeah. And it wasn't trending. Yeah. And it's like, it's like your channel is a known channel. It's not like it was started yesterday. It's like, yeah, it's like, this is a high trust, yours is a high trust channel.

26:07It's like, you're not trying to sell scam crypto coins. So, you know, so well, thank God we put it on X as well. Yeah, yeah. Because I think just with your account and my account alone, it's like 70 million views. Well, it's like, you can't hide things anymore because of you. And if it wasn't for you, I think they would have had total control of social media by now. Yeah. They've been so many accounts during the pandemic, so many dissenting scientists and doctors and physicians. They've been so many conspiracy theorists, so many people that colored outside the lines. They would have done that everywhere.

26:42And it probably would have, I think even at what's going on at Facebook, they're being more lenient, you know, here, Zuckerberg talking about taking a more libertarian stance. That's entirely reaction to the way Twitter has kind of moved the watermark. Exactly. So, as soon as any company steps out of line and is going to actually have the truth that debated on their platform, it forces the other platforms to allow things to be more truthful to not censor. Because their censorship becomes exglairingly obvious. Yes. Yes. And, you know, the best thing I found for as a rebuttal, like if somebody, if there's a hoax, is just go to the source material.

27:23Right. You know, if somebody thinks, you know, Trump said that we should put those chain in a firing squad, I'm like, let me send you a link to X so you can watch his video. That's the best way. Yes. Don't take my opinion for it. Don't take anyone's opinion for it. Go to the source material. And community notes. Yes. And community notes are awesome. It's awesome. It's incredible. Yeah. Because everybody gets checked. Yes. Including me. Yeah. And community notes, all the software is open source. And all the data is open source. So you can recreate any given note independently. That's amazing. Yeah.

28:00That's how it should be. That's how it should be. That's how it should be. That's how it should be. That's how it should be. Yeah. That's how it should be. Sometimes by the right, I'm like, I don't even remove notes on my own account. Nothing. And by the way, everything is totally open. So if I did that, it would stick out like a sore thumb. Immediately. Like it's not going to be subtle. That is the best counter to misinformation. Yes. Absolutely. Like let everybody look at it and say, okay, here's what the actual facts say. Yes. The counter to misinformation is better information. Not just that, but having a checked in real time by the community.

28:38So you have millions of people that can go over and debate whether or not this is true or that's true. Yes. And just like I said, the best way to understand the truth things is don't take anyone's opinion for it. Look at the source material. You know, so it's like, look at what someone actually said. Look at what someone actually did. Look at the real videos of the situation. And then you can actually, you'll know what's real. So as of today, when you were a little bit on your way here, you sent me this text saying that they're trying to lock you up in jail. Yeah. Tell me what the fuck is happening.

29:10Well, you know, there's the classic sort of Soros DA situation. So we're making a lot of progress in Pennsylvania. So I've been given a whole bunch of talks throughout the state because Pennsylvania is the linchpin in this election. Whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the election. So I've been giving, I spent three years in Pennsylvania. I went to college in Philadelphia. So it's not like I'm not like I'm not like I'm not like I'm totally stranger to the state. You know, I spent three years there.

29:43And we've organized this petition in support of the Constitution, which I think is a good thing and specifically asking people to, and we wanted this to be like registered voters in swing states. Like basically we want to send a message to the politicians to say that the people care about the Constitution because there have been all these attacks on the Constitution. They've been, especially on the Democrat side, they've been repeatedly saying that the first amendment is an obstacle and they're claiming, oh, the first amendment is enabling disinformation, misinformation. And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the first amendment.

30:24Like freedom of speech. The reason they found out the country put, you know, the freedom of speech there is because they came from countries where if you spoke your mind, you would get shot or imprisoned. That's why the first amendment exists. And the second amendment is there to stop the tyranny of government. The second amendment, the right to bear arms is there to protect freedom of speech.

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33:55Can you make that guarantee? Well, nobody can make that guarantee. I'm like, then we need to keep our guns. Because that's what's going to stop it. That sounds crazy for people to hear, because they think about gun violence and gun problems and gun this and gun that. But that's the reality of the world that we live in, is that tyranny is possible, and it exists other places, and it's slowly existing. It's slowly rearing its head in the UK. You're saying, I think the number of people that have been arrested for just social media posts is bananas. In the thousands? Yes. Several thousand people have been given prison sentences in the UK for social media posts that where there was no explicit link to actual violence.

34:42But they just said it encouraged violence. Like, well, did anyone actually do anything as a result of that? Media posts? Well, no. But they're just, and then they have a prison overcrowding situation in the UK so that they're quite literally releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people in jail for Facebook posts. It's an actual thing happening in Britain. That is so wild. Like it's, you're like, what the fuck is going on? And what's insane to me is that? Make oil fiction again. Yeah. But it's all being encouraged by the left. Katanji Brown Jackson, John Kerry. John Kerry was one of the people who said that he's on camera a few weeks ago saying that the first moment is an obstacle to fighting misinformation.

35:27Yeah. That's crazy. That's such a crazy thing to say when you have a solution in community notes. Yeah. You have a solution in something that could clear everything up any confusion within a day or two. And even without a community note, you can reply to a post with evidence that shows that the post is wrong. You don't even need community notes. I mean, community is helpful because it sticks to the original note. Yes. But in the replies, you can say, here's why you're wrong. Here are the reasons and here's the evidence. But the argument is that people are too unsophisticated. They're not going to research these things.

35:57They're going to be a victim of misinformation. So they're going to read something. It's incorrect. They're going to run with it. People are going to die. People are going to ruin the world because people believed in misinformation. It's a stupid argument. It's a stupid argument. Because it's an argument that they're too dumb to know what's right or wrong. If you know, because you're saying it's misinformation, why do you think that you're smarter than everybody who reads that? Exactly. And obviously, anyone on the X system knows that things are posted and then there are replies and there are bottles and it's immediately corrected.

36:27But where are the corrections for the legacy media? You know, when if some broadcast media, they say false things all the time. But it's the one way street. There's no rebuttal. There's no counter. Right. Right. Who's apologized for being incorrect about what? Did Rachel Mato ever apologize for telling everybody that if you get the COVID vaccine, you're never going to get COVID? It won't. That virus stops with you. Never. Never. It was not true at the time. There was no evidence to support it at the time. It's pure propaganda. And she said it. The Russia gate hoax. Exactly. For three fucking years, they said that he was Putin's toy.

37:05And that Putin had him compromised. The steel dossier. The steel dossier was completely fabricated by a lawyer at Perkins Koy, who was paid by the Clinton campaign. Literally. Crazy. And still people think the Russia hoax is real. And there's no repercussions. There's no one had to apologize. Hillary Clinton never came out and apologized for that. And people still listened to her. The whole thing is crazy. And it's all coming from the left, which growing up as a person who is in the left my whole life, it doesn't make any fucking sense. Same. I mean, I even, I was on the left until like three years ago.

37:40I mean, you know, it's not the left anymore. It's not the left anymore. It's just like, I think we obviously want, I mean, I believe like we want it. Freedom. Like we want, we want to maximize personal liberty. I think we want it. We want to be kind to people. You know, we want to have empathy.

38:01And but it's very important to have personal freedom and a merit -based society. And the left is wants to oppress your freedoms, especially freedom of speech. And they want to, they want to have a non -barred -based society, you know, with race -based and sex -based preferences. And it's like, well, wait a second. No, we just want people to succeed based on their skills and their hard work. And if they don't want people to express themselves about particular issues, then they're not doing the will of the people. And if they're trying to suppress people's ability to communicate, they're only doing that because they want to do things that people don't want them to do.

38:36Yeah. And they want to silence opposition. That's all it is. And the fact that people can't see that and they want to call Trump a fascist, it's the whole thing is just, it's just through the looking glass. I mean, it's like one hoax after another that they're perpetrating as Trump. I mean, like they're trying to call the rally at Madison Square Garden, it's like a Nazi rally. I'm like, yo, there was like literally an Israeli flag in the audience. I think like a quarter of the speakers were Jewish. Like there was like, there were people of every race -color -crede religion at that rally. Like, tell me what about that is Nazi.

39:07No, it's not. And yet it was portrayed as a Nazi rally. Well, MSNBC, they literally showed video of the Nazi rally from 1930s and then compared it to the Trump rally. Now ignoring the fact that fucking Jimmy Carter spoke there. There have been dozens of local rallies at Madison Square Gardens, dozens on the Democrat side. Like people on Expo, like, and here's exactly here's Jimmy Carter and here's a vote clip. And here's, wait a second, actually it looks like every presidential candidate has done a on the Democrat side has done a rally at Madison Square Gardens, all they Nazis to. But what they're doing is they're praying on low information voters who aren't engaged actively on social media who don't have the time to look through everything.

39:50Exactly. Yeah. Like, people living, if people are just on looking at legacy mainstream media, then they have a totally different worldview than if they're on X and seeing the actual flow of argument and the actual evidence. Well, what was the pushback? Like, what happened when you guys released the Twitter files? Because I think the Twitter files is probably one of the most important things in this age of information for understanding the influence that government has on social media and on discourse. Because when we found out that that was the case, that the government was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual, they did the same thing to Facebook.

40:26They had them throttle pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's show. They suppressed the views by 50%. Yeah. A factual information. Yeah, no, there was massive government interference in Twitter. But like Twitter welcomed it. It does important to all Twitter welcomed it. All Twitter was controlled by fall -lift activists. Yeah. So, and they welcomed the government interference. They got paid by the government for it. That's crazy. They got paid for their time, correct? Yeah, they got paid billions of dollars for suppressing information. So it's like, and a bunch of it was like, that on legal. Like the FBI had this like this sort of magic portal into the Twitter system.

41:10And all of the communication in this portal was auto deleted after two weeks, which breaks federal FOILOS. So we didn't even know what we said, because it was all deleted after two weeks. That's insane. Yeah. That's so crazy. It's so crazy that people thought that was okay. It's super not okay. No, it's super not okay. It's unconstitutional and no one would want that. No one would want the government to have that kind of access. Exactly. And what was the blowback like when all that stuff got released? Like you had to anticipate that there was going to be problems when you released that. Like what was what happened?

41:47Well, we got a lot of, we did lose a lot of advertising dollars.

41:54And which is crazy, because it's essentially like one of the most important forms of journalism is exposing government corruption. Yes. I mean, this is the weird thing. It's like the left used to be big on exposing government corruption. But once they control the government, they no longer want to expose the government corruption. Right. They want to pretend that the left wing government is incapable of corruption, because we're on the good side. I think it may be just like, whoever's in power kind of doesn't want the other side hurt. Because as you pointed out, like the left, historically, up until I don't know, maybe even 10 years ago or something like that, was the free speech party.

42:36And now it's the anti -free speech party. And they just, they use, they use words like, like, oh, we have to be against hate speech and misinformation, disinformation. But these are propaganda words. You know, it's like, well, who's defining hate speech? Who's defining misinformation? The government? Do you really trust the government to make that definition? The whole point of the, of the first amendment is like, you do not trust the government. Well, especially when they're wrong. Yeah, and there's no right. Yeah. Like, with the whole lab leak theory, if you could, you would get kicked off of YouTube.

43:12If you even presented this argument that, hey, maybe that coronavirus lab, where they're doing work on the exact same virus that got released. Yep. Hey, maybe that's where it came from since that's where the virus started. What do you think, guys? Yeah. You could kick your right off of YouTube. Yeah. Yeah, it's exactly. It's like, do you think maybe the, it could have come from a place called the novel coronavirus research institute. Yeah, like the John Stewart bit that he did on co -bear. That was amazing. It's like, what does it say on the door again? Can I see your business card? And it's saying co -bear, like, resisting it with every fiber of his being.

43:50Like, what's going to happen to us? He was totally cock blocking the bit to the point where John Stewart got off his chair and started walking around trying to take control. That was wild, right? And then the left tried to cancel John Stewart. Of course. Yeah. Meanwhile, he was right. He's right. And no apologies. No apologies. Yeah. And, you know, the whole Fauci thing, like any criticism of Fauci. It's like, anti -Science. I thought it was a pretty good demon if you asked me. If you read RFK's book, if the real Anthony Fauci, if that's correct, if the facts are in there, that's true. It's all referenced.

44:21You could find the sources. And on top of it, he's never been sued for that book, which doesn't make any sense. If he just made a bunch of lies up, he would get sued. Yes. So the guy's a monster. I think so. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, like, just looking at the lies that he told, the way he tried to find gain of function research to Rand Paul. But he, I think a lot of people out there don't realize Fauci funded the bio -weapons research that was going on in Wuhan. He bank shot it off. Like, he can't send the money directly to Fauci. He just bank shot it off. Ego health. This is like fake non -profit in the US.

44:59And they send it to Wuhan. And Obama put the skids on that. He stopped that in 2014. I mean, so, you know, to give Obama a throw of Obama, give him some credit, he actually was like looking at this and say, hey, this is crazy. And we need to wait. And he, so he actually did stop the, like, like, the so -called gain of function, again, a propaganda word, because what is the function they're talking about? Death. Right. Right. So, if you actually use the right word, this is, gain of function is death maximization. Right. Then you're like, oh, oh, hey, guys, refund bio -weapon research into death maximization, because that's what gain of function means.

45:43Yeah, it means the function. Make it a disease so that people can get it. Give it to people. Yeah. And by the way, what's that function gain? Oh, the function is death. Oh, okay. So just go with a death maximizing virus. If you do research on that and the idea behind this research is so that we can cure these things, how come you don't have a fucking cure? Stop with a cure. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. Like you guys had no strategy for dealing with it if it got out. And so you have to like make up this new vaccine in like record time operation warp speed release it to the people with very little testing.

46:18It's fucking crazy. It was crazy. The whole thing's crazy. It was like you just went along with it. You know, it's next level. Well, it's the psi op was fascinating to watch people step in line. That's like one of the biggest apps of all time. Of all time. Of all time. Of all time. And everybody got in line. And when you take it back to when pharmaceutical drug companies were able to advertise on media in the 1990s, that changed everything. We're one of two countries in the whole world that allows this. And because of that, because we don't have socialized medicine, it's a complete profit scam.

46:50And they went hard claiming all sorts of things that were never researched. All sorts of things are not supported by data. Like the fact that it would stop transmission, the fact that it would stop infection, the fact that it was safe for pregnant women, the fact that it was safe for children. All of its bullshit. Yes. And they pushed it on the whole world. And if you didn't say that at a cocktail party, you were a pariah. Yes. And you were an anti -vaccine. It was totally psycho. It was like being a Holocaust in our area. You got kicked out of the polite society. Exactly. Fuck the bananas. And I should say like I'm actually generally pro vaccine overall.

47:24You know, I think we should look at these things. But that, but I believe in the scientific method. Yes. So you never blanket except anything. You never blanket except that any any given medication or any given treatment is 100 % good. You should always be with some skepticism. Especially when you're getting the data from pharmaceutical drug companies that have like a long history of pregnant. They've got a vested interest in the research. It's sort of like asking tobacco companies about, you know, we're like smoking, it's dangerous. Exactly the same thing. Exactly. According to our scientists, everything's fine.

48:00You got to be lying in court forever. The same thing they do with oxy -continue. They said that it wasn't addictive. Like they have a long history being full of shit if it makes them money. And that's what they do. They've literally lost multiple in -bought lawsuits. In this way. Mass as of. You have amazing scientists, right? You have these clinical researchers, these people that developed these incredible drugs. And they, this is their job. Their job is to figure out some new way to cure something, some new way to stop things. And then you have the money people. Sure. And the problem is when you have this one thing that you would assume they're only doing it to help people.

48:37And then they have this other faction that they're all just numbers people. Yep. And all they give a fuck about is maximizing profits. Yeah. And making sure they literally have an obligation to their shareholders. Yeah. They have to make the most amount of money possible. And so they just want to push it on everybody. Regardless, like the Viox scandal. There's internal emails showing they knew there was going to be cardiovascular events. People were going to get strokes. Yeah. And they're like, I think we're still going to do well. And they did. They made like $12 billion. They got fine seven.

49:06And 50 to 60 ,000 people died. Holy shit. Yeah. One of them was a friend of mine got a stroke. And died. Yeah. No, he didn't die. He lived. But he was a really healthy guy. But he was psyched out the same after his life. Yeah. He had knee problems. And he took Viox and all of a sudden he was slurring his words. And he couldn't concentrate. And people were like, I think you're having a fucking stroke. And they took him to the hospital. And then then you have this giant class action lawsuit. And then Viox gets pulled from the market and they get sued. And the whole thing's fucking crazy. But there's a long history of this.

49:36I think what is the number like one third of the drugs of the FDA approved gets pulled. It's fucking bananas. That's crazy. That's crazy. You're shitty at one third of the things that you say are okay. But you're trying to stop MDMA therapy for veterans. Yeah. They should live MDMA through, honestly. That I think they're actually help a lot of people. It would help a lot of people. It would help a lot of people. There's a lot of different therapies specifically psilocybin eye -begin. The fact you have to go to Mexico to get eye -begin therapy for veterans. So many guys I've talked to have gone over there.

50:09And it's like completely given them a clean slate, refresh their mind, and a totally new perspective on life, alleviated depression, cured addictions, illegal. Illegal. Oxycontin, go get it. Yeah. And I know some people who like their life was ruined by Oxycontin. Oh yeah. Because I mean, it really depends on somebody in individual biochemistry. Like to me, like opioids are not addicted to me. Like I've had them when I've had operations or something. And they barely affect my pain level. And they make me itchy and uncomfortable. They make me stupid. Exactly. But I'm like, so like, I could never get addicted to alcohol or opioids.

50:56It's just impossible. Like it's because my biochemistry just does not have, but I love tasty food. I feel like, you know, if there's, I'm addicted to tasty food, sure. But like there's like, I have a whole wall of alcohol. It's there for decoration. Yeah, I feel it's so moving. I could easily quit alcohol. I mean, I'll go weeks without having a drink. It doesn't bother me at all. But I know some people they have one drink and they're off to the races. And that's the difference in the biochemical differences that we all have. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the case with a lot of addictions. I'm not addicted to gambling, but I get it.

51:30I see it. I've seen it in people. But I'm, I have this aversion to things that I know are going to ruin my life. I see it. That's why I've never tried cocaine. I just saw too many people. It looks too fun. I don't want to get involved. Yeah. I mean, I think generally for any given drug legal or illegal, you could, the question is, can you complete the following sentence? Blank made me a better person. I'm not. It's like I've never heard anyone say meth made them a better person or cocaine made them a better person. No, ever. Made a lot of soldiers better, I think. Yeah, I mean, if you're doing, if you're like, if your soldiers need to march for three days, you're a real good guy.

52:13It's a really good. It's effective at that. You know, you know, people give like a france of hard time, but, you know, you know, you're capitulating in World War II, but you know what's worse than Nazis? Nazis on meth. Nazis. They're not stopping. Norman. They're not stopping. Norman, they're like six bullets. They're like, they're still coming. That book over there blitzed is all about the use of meth amphetamines and the different drugs that they gave their soldiers. The guys in the front of the line that gave the most meth. Yes. They have different dosages. Yeah. I mean, you're just basically thinking you're an vulnerable un meth.

52:48And so it's one thing, like I said, so one thing we, you know, have like the, you know, Nazis come after you, but Nazis on meth, you like holy shit, those workers are not stopping. Three days. That's not stopping. It's so crazy. Yeah. Yeah. That's not a statement. Meth made me a better person that you hear very often. I know who that is. No, you hear a lot of like psilocybin advocates. You hear a lot of people to talk about psychedelics. Exactly. I've actually heard many people say that, uh, LSD or, you know, mushrooms or, uh, MDMA made them a better person. Yeah. Many people. Yeah. So that's why I'm like, I think a rule for the FDA should be like, hey, look, if you can complete the sentence legal or legal that, uh, blank made you a better person, actually.

53:30Yeah. Uh, then, then you got a good drug. And if you, if you can't, you got a bad drug. Also, if there's drugs that are available right now that can absolutely ruin people's lives, this, the rationalization for stopping other drugs that might ruin people's lives, but also can help a lot of people's lives. It doesn't make any sense. You're, you're, you're basically the same thing as censorship. You're taking away people's ability to discern what's true and not true. Yeah. And you're taking away people's ability to discern what's good for you and not good for you. And the way to find that out is to have as much information as possible.

54:01Exactly. So to do research and actually to have unbiased, actual objective observers who are looking all the stuff that give you real data. Yes. And the opposite of that or the counter that is like, if you don't do that, you're empowering cartels. Yes. That's the whole reason why they have all that money. It's because it's illegal to sell these drugs in America. The demand is never going away. So instead of like limiting the amount of drugs, now you've got toxic drugs because fentanyl and all this other shit is, because they're not pure. So you're just killing people. You're not saving anybody by protecting them from themselves.

54:39True. But it's a tricky situation because what do you do? Like if you just like say, okay, now everyone can sell all these people that have been selling boner pills, now you can sell meth. Like holy shit. You get the double combo with the vibrate. It's a vibrate and a meth. Right. Jesus Christ. Oh my God. Well, I mean, how many people already doing that right now with that role? A bunch of people are doing that. Yeah. There's a lot of people out there that are essentially on meth, especially people that abuse Adderall. They're basically amphetamine up all day long. Yeah, Adderall is low grade infotomy.

55:18Yeah. And I have actually seen people become much worse people if they take too much Adderall, like much worse. You know, it's like an agrar amplifiers. So there's. Now, now I'm not saying like Adderall is something like where there's there are pluses and minuses. It's not a clear cut issue. It does help some people a great deal. And but in higher doses, man, that that stuff I've seen people turn into just raging monsters on on high doses of Adderall. Just they're just angry, like extremely angry all the time. Yeah. They're messed up. Yeah, that's what happens if you take meth. It's crazy. You turn it like meth turned into a friggin rage demon.

56:02And so many prescriptions. And I'm like, geez. We we googled it like one year there was like 39 million prescriptions for Adderall in this country. Oh, yeah. And like once in a while there's like an Adderall shortage and like there's like watch widespread panic, you know. And then what do people do? And then it's the same thing is like when they tried to like limit the amount of oxycontin. Well, people go to street heroin. And if you're addicted to Adderall and you're dealer, you guys tell you weed is like, hey man, I can get you like like low grade meth like the stuff that Nazis took. Well, that I grade meth.

56:34X that pharmaceutical grade was for that epic. Big math. It was like made by like like pharmaceutical grade meth is going to be the way it like this this is the I mean is I mean it's just look at the friggin online Wikipedia page. But there's like many different versions of math like not all the same. And they have different effects. So but like pharmaceutical grade pure math you are going to be, oh my god, super productive. Super productive for a certain period of time. And you're not going to see for a while. And and then you will have some agon management issues. So like like they actually the the Nazi they did actually roll back how much meth they were using because they had quite a few incidents of the of the soldiers killing their offices because they were on too much math.

57:28Jesus Christ. Yeah, they were. That to me, um, officer got fragged by the by the you know, they're platoon that was on too much math because that happened quite a few times. Like you just went when some of a lot of meth. They're they're they're they're very they can get very angry. Did you ever pay attention to when John McAfee was cooking meth in a lab in his backyard? I mean, McAfee's quite a character. He was a character character. We had him on the podcast when he was on the run. So he called in from an undisclosed location when he was running from where was he coast to Rika's that where he was?

58:08Belize. Belize. Right. So when he was running from the authorities, he called in we had him on the podcast on the run. And I was asking him about these posts. Like because there was an online account that was linked to him where he had this very detailed laboratory like super sophisticated. Yeah, the best math like a super genius cook and math. I mean, I think you like like he had this lab like he was making like a wide range of drugs. And there's I I talked to actually like a reporter who who went down and like interviewed him in Belize. And and Portis and man, that's one of the scariest things.

58:52He's like he was pure as quite terrified. So one of the things that McAfee had, I guess this trick where he would play a Russian roulette with himself. So he would put a bullet in in the revolver and they just spend the chamber. And clearly he had like some like trick to you know know that it was not. There's some way that he knows it's not the right bullet. But I do wonder like if McAfee is high and he does that, he's not always going to get the trick right. Do you sure you had a trick? Yeah, so yeah, so so so he so according to the reporter when he went to visit McAfee and Belize. McAfee took out the revolver, put a put a bullet in the revolver, spawn the chamber and then pointed at his head and went click.

59:35And the reporters like saying, please don't do this. Like this is insane. Click, click, click. And then pointed the ground to the ground and next went click bang and shot a bullet in the ground. Jesus does a hell of a party trick. Jesus, this is the next level of party trick. That's the guy who's seen the deer hunter too many times. Yes. Remember that scene? Yeah. When they were forcing. Yes. Yeah. That's a heavy scene. Deniro and Christopher Walker and that's one of the greatest scenes in any movie ever. I remember watching that scene just like clawing at my pants like. Oh, McAfee was a wild boy.

1:00:09Wild. And you know, created brilliant anti virus software. Yeah. Yeah. He may have made some of the viruses too. Yeah. Well, didn't he like give laptops to a bunch of government organizations with viruses on the. Yeah. So that he could like touch what they were doing. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised so many whack that guy. I don't know what happened to him. But he would be a guy that would be like this guy is a little bit too loose. I probably had sensitive information. I don't know. For sure he did. I mean, I found out it would be an interesting guy. I mean, like I'm generally like feel like like if somebody is not harming someone else, they should be okay.

1:00:49Now, now there is some suggestion that McAfee like killed his neighbor in Belize. Yeah. Probably did. Maybe there was a douchebag. I think he probably did. Seems like he probably did. Seems like the neighbor killed his dog. Yes. Right. And then it seems like he killed the neighbor allegedly. Yeah. I mean, it seems likely. It's not a zero possibility. It's not definitely not zero. He's not that. He's a messed up wild man playing Russian roulette. Maybe you killed your fucking neighbor. Yes. I mean, if somebody killed your dog, you'd be really inclined to kill them too. Yeah. Somebody killed your squirrel.

1:01:25Johnny John Wick. Yeah. The fucking squirrel thing is bananas. Yeah. That's a squirrel thing in New York. That's a squirrel thing in New York. So, the other thing about the whole squirrel thing is that how can it be that we live in America, supposedly land of the free, and the government can barge into your home with guns. So, if you resist, you're going to get shot. And then take your pets and execute them. Anything that can do that to your pets, what do you think they can do to you? I know that's not an exaggeration. Absolutely. It sounds like you're all that's so crazy. How can you make that connection?

1:02:06But it's that's why would you kill that cute little squirrel that was obviously a pet and trained from the time it was a baby? Yeah. If you see the interaction that guy has with that squirrel, it was wonderful. It was really cute. Yes, absolutely. There's, it was just obviously it was a blood -patriotic pet squirrel and we're occurring too. And during no home and the government comes in, barges into the guy's house, takes his pets and kills them. And I think this should really get people out there mobilized, frankly, because you say that the John Wick movie, where John Wick's like, he just wants peace in the John Wick movie.

1:02:50He's like, listen, I want to retire. And they offer him tons of money because they want him to be an assassin, to keep being an assassin. They like, they like, they offer him tons of money. They threaten him. He's like, listen, I'm not going to be, I'm out. And they kill his dog. That was a bad idea.

1:03:10That was a really cute little puppy. And the puppy was his ex -wife's gift when she died of cancer. Yeah. Great movie. The best revenge movie of all time. Because it's so ridiculous, he kills everybody. He kills everyone. And you're rooting for him. Yeah. The shunna kill his dog. Yeah, they fucked up. And they shouldn't have killed that squirrel. They shouldn't have killed that fucking, that squirrel. I mean, you said how many cases have we not heard about? You know? Oh, a little guy. That squirrel clearly had a love relationship with that guy. He would hop all over him and climb on him. I mean, it was, that was his pet.

1:03:52That squirrel thought of that man as his protector, as his companion. Yeah. There was nothing wrong with that. And in Texas, it's totally legal. You can have a fucking zebra out here. You can have whatever you want. And that's the argument for freedom. And, you know, the flip side is you get a bunch of people with tigers in their backyard. Yeah. Which is not great. It's like, this was a fucking squirrel. It's not an adicando or a crocodile or something like that. Or a chimpanzee. Did you see chimped crazy? A man to... Chimps... Chimps will eat your face. They will fuck you up. They won't fuck you up.

1:04:29And the thing is, they don't even kill you. They just cripple you. Chimps don't even kill people. Yeah. Which is really weird. They just bite your hands off and bite your dick off and tear your face apart. Yes. They want to leave you. They could kill you easily. But you want to just punch you in the head until you're dead. It wouldn't take long. But they don't kill you. They just rip you apart. Yeah. And you can have a chim. And so, well, you used to be able to have a chimp in a lot of states. And then, chimped crazy kind of exposed a lot of that. And Peter did a great job of stopping people from keeping chimps as pets.

1:04:59Because once they hit like five, if you can't control them anymore. What's obviously totally understandable if somebody's got, you know, a creature that is dangerous to others. Right. But like, obviously a squirrel or a cune or not. Well, squirrels are fucking everywhere. That's what's so crazy. Why can't you have it in the house? What kind of rules are we dealing with? You have rats everywhere. Yeah. I mean, they're allowing criminals to go free. And like violent criminals to go free. But they're like spending your tax dollars to come in and execute your fucking pets. Exactly. What the hell is going on?

1:05:27Exactly. And it's like. But it's overreach. It's just. It's going overreach. And this just keeps getting worse every year. And that's why we've got to. We've got to fight back against this.

1:05:44And, you know, it's, people say like, well, it's just a squirrel. Well, it was, you know, in John Wick's case, we're just a dog. Right. Yeah. Remember the Russian guy said, it's a fucking dog. It's just a fucking dog. It's just a fucking squirrel. Yeah. Well, it's the funniest thing this one. So. It just, I just don't understand how anybody could justify it. I don't understand how anybody, like, it seems to me that. In a logical world, all that guy would have to do is say, why don't you see me with this squirrel? This squirrel's a pet. Yeah. Like, look, he hops on me. He eats, he sleeps. I can keep a gerbil, but I keep a squirrel.

1:06:22I can have a guinea pig. I can't have a squirrel. I can have a chinchilla. My daughter has a chinchilla. It's adorable. A adorable little thing. Clams all over. Can't have a squirrel. Even if they, if they did take a squirrel away, can't they have released it into the woods or something? Well, it's a bit, the idea is you have to euthanize it because it's used to being fed. It doesn't know how to forage. You won't be able to, like, find a home. Squirrels are brutal. Squirrels are absolutely brutal to each other. They throw each other out of trees, which is one of the reasons why squirrels can fall from, like, 30 feet and just kind of bounce off the ground and live.

1:06:53It's like, it's a natural adaptation because squirrels, during mating, they bite each other. They used to be, like, a rumor. There was a myth that squirrels bite each other's nuts off. That, that seems to be a myth. But it came out of the fact that squirrels are so ruthless during mating. So, like, one female is just running away. I have squirrels in my backyard, I watch it all the time. One female apparently goes into estrus and all the male squirrels fight to get to her. So, they're running up trees and chasing each other around trees, literally throwing each other off trees. To try to, like, so if this poor little peanut, the squirrel, who's used to living with a guy in an apartment, like, gets out there in the wild world, squirrels.

1:07:35Well, at least they have a chance. Yeah, at least they have a chance. But they have a chance. How about just leave him with the guy? Yeah, leave him with the guy, for sure. What the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you killing that squirrel? It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, and then to add, in total, the injury, there were a bunch of people on the left who were, like, actually posting that they're glad that the mega squirrel got killed. Which is fucking... The mega squirrel. Yeah. If the fucking squirrel has an ideology, it's a cute little fluffy squirrel. Exactly. Well, it's a nice symbol because most, most, like, reasonable compassionate people think that's terrible.

1:08:06And most people who have tests think it's terrible. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know. I mean, I'm like, I hope people just got there and bought for peanut, man. If nothing else, nothing else. But you bought for peanut, you know. They've done such a job of painting Trump as a monster. You know, they've taken the worst things that he's ever said in AMP. And he's not a perfect person, but guess what? No one's a perfect person. They don't exist. This purity test, like, if Obama was a perfect person, he wouldn't be lying on stage. Exactly. You know, very fine people, hoax. Exactly. No one's going to be a perfect person.

1:08:41But the thing that they didn't understand about Trump is he's so crazy that if you tell him, like, he can't be president. Like, remember, Obama did that during that White House press course. You know what I mean? There's one thing that I'm, that I am, that you'll never be president of the United States. And you see Trump in the eye, it's going, okay, I'm out of the fucker. You know, it's funny thing is I was actually at that White House correspondent dinner, where, you know, it's supposed to be a roast of the president. Right. Trump's there. He's there. He's actually supporting, you know, he's basically, if you go to the, the, the, the, the, the, why is correspondent?

1:09:14You're there in support, actually, of the president and support of the press. Right. And it's meant to be that you're roasting the president. Like Trump's just there. He's like, actually, you know, just, he's like there to ask part of the support. And then that turned it around and just started roasting Trump. And he's just sitting there and like, he's like, yo, I just came to the dinner. I wasn't, I'm just here to support. We know it was because of, right? The birth or stuff. Oh, okay. That's what it all was. It was all, Trump was at the head of a lot of these people spreading this room or online that Obama's birth certificate was forged.

1:09:50Then he's actually from Kenya. And what's weird is, if you go back to Obama's early days, there are some things that say he's from Kenya. Like, I think it is something from college that he was from Kenya. But you know, that could just be, you know, people print things wrong all the time. It doesn't mean he's actually from Kenya. But Trump was one of those guys that was like spreading that supposedly false rumor. Was he pushing it hard? This is the kind of thing where I want to just go and look at saying what, what did he actually say? No, he definitely was. He was definitely saying, you know, look, he, I don't know.

1:10:26I don't think he has the time to go into things like very deeply. And so I think he could probably be influenced by a bunch of people like these Marjorie Taylor, green type people come to him with some wild ass theory. Sure. And I think there's a lot of that stuff that gets fed to people on purpose so that they'll say incorrect things so that they're easy to dismiss. And I think there's also a lot of people that just make shit up. And, you know, they tell you the earth is flat and then a bunch of people watch a YouTube video and they believe it. Yeah, well, but on their White House correspondent, I was there and they're great at which they attacked Trump in that, in that, at that White House correspondent, it was really, it was so over the top, it was like making everyone uncomfortable.

1:11:11Really? It was really over the top. You know, I mean, I think it's sort of a passing joke of like, you know, a few passing jokes were fine, but they twisted the knife big on Trump in that. And you could see Trump just getting like anger and anger and more and more upset. I wonder if that's like, man, this is not good karma. I wonder what I was thinking at the time. I looked at two tables away from Trump and I'm looking on like, man, this is too much, you know? Well, it's kind of crazy what they made out of that. Because that's the kind of guy that if you tell him he can't do something, he's going to just keep trying.

1:11:47Like it was a big mistake to rag on him so much of that White House correspondent. Just look at the way they've attacked him and just using the legal system, like this thing in New York where the 34 different felony counts, essentially misdemeanors, that they're bookkeeping errors that they decided, even though it passed the Statue of Limitations, they just started to try him for these, they didn't identify a felony. Abuse of the law is what's going on. But most people would have quit. Most people after the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit, this lawsuit, and all the other ones, the insurrection thing, the Georgia thing, all these different things, so they're getting kicked off a Twitter.

1:12:25Most people would have just like, this is too much, I can't take this. He's so fucking crazy. He's like, all right, come on, we're going to war. And he just digs his fucking heels in and keeps going. It's the wrong guy to do that too. It's like attacking him at the White House correspondent center. Most people would have been humiliated. He got angry. And he's like, yeah, all right, say I can't be a president. I was thinking about running for about 15 fucking years. Right. Finally, I'm going to run. Yeah. That was a real bad move. But yeah, I mean, I can certainly understand, like making some jokes about, like, you know, a few sort of passing jokes on Trump.

1:13:03But man, I was there at that dinner and that they ragged on Trump so much it wasn't saying. The reason why I would push back on that, because I would say there's a bunch of different speakers, right? And Trump would obviously be a target. And if they all attacked him, it's because he's like, if you're going to make fun of people in the audience, and especially in the zeitgeist, that whole birth or thing was big. And most people were dismissing it as being a ridiculous conspiracy theory. So who the fuck is this guy saying this? And so you have eight to ten individual speakers that are writing monologues.

1:13:36Of course, they're all going to hit Trump. Yeah. Well, anyway, obviously it was a mistake. Yeah. They shouldn't have done that. And I would invite people to watch that, the original source material. And I think a few jokes are fine. You know, it's like, but it's like, you shouldn't be there. Like, it felt like he was the primary object of the roast. Yeah. Which is, that's not the whole point of the thing is if the roast is the president, not the roast of the audience. The thing about it is that he's easy to roast. And then on top of that, Obama was like loved and cherished by the left. And most of those people are on the left.

1:14:10There's only so far you can push. You know, you can't ask him about a chef. You know, this like, sir, what happened with the chef, bro? You can't, it's like certain things you can't bring up. What's your favorite sport, paddle boarding? Yeah. Wasn't that guy a really good swimmer? Tell me what happened. You know, you can't bring that up. Like, if you're gonna roast Hillary, you can't bring up the death count. Like, Hillary, what's the best way to stay in touch? Email? Yeah. If you're doing one of those things. I mean, you should destroy the servers and port like bleach on the servers. Like, like computers.

1:14:45She port bleach on them? That's what I thought. Yeah, that's what I believe. Like, it wasn't just like they took a hammer to it. They like destroyed, like, there was no possible way to actually get friends on the thing. What was in there? What? Like, that's what I mean. What was in there? What was in there? Why would they care so much? That's so crazy. Yeah. And there was no legal action against that, which is clear destruction of evidence. Well, it's also, there's this other narrative that always drives me crazy is that he's going to destroy democracy. So, in order to destroy democracy, we have to install a president without a primary.

1:15:20We have to have a candidate that is the least -liked vice president of all time, the least popular vice president of all time, and then use gas lighting and the full force of the media machine to turn her into the future and hope. And then we're going to, she's going to be changed even though she's a sitting vice president. And then on top of that, this idea of change when the Democrats have been in control for what, 12 of 16 years? Right. Which is crazy. Like, this is the change. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I view this election as a turning point, like a folk in the road of Destiny, that is incredibly important.

1:15:56You know, I've not been politically active until the selection. And the reason I've been politically active this election is because I think if we don't, if we don't like Trump, I think we will lose democracy in this country. We will lose the two -party system. And I'll let me explain why. So, there's only like six or seven swing states. The margin of victory in those states is small, often like 10 or 20 ,000 votes. What the Democrat administration has been doing is importing vast numbers of illegals into swing states. You can look at the numbers on the actual government website. I mean, you don't take my word for it.

1:16:36You can just look at the numbers as reported by the government, which is controlled by the Democrats. And what we're seeing is trouble -digit increases in the number of illegals in every swing state. In some cases, 700 % increases. These are gigantic numbers. So, if you have a state that went, that has a 10 or 20 ,000 -vote margin, and you put 200 ,000 illegals into that state. You 10x, you swamp, it's not a swing state anymore. It's going to vote blue. And then once the swing states vote blue, there is no election anymore. There's only a Democrat primary. Which is so crazy. And it's so crazy that people are fine with that.

1:17:19Well, I guess people on the left, we find with that because they think that's a good idea. They just want to win. They just want to win. Correct. The thing is, like, you want to not eat actually any ground conspiracy theory for this. You just have to look at the simple amount of incentives. If the Democrat party wants to want, like basically achieve permanent victory, all they need to do is turn the swing states. Turn the swing states blue, they have permanent victory. And then we're a one -party state. And then they will keep doing that, obviously. They will keep stacking the deck by bringing in vast numbers of illegals into the swing states, keep stacking it.

1:17:56So the next election, each successive election, will be worse than the last one. And that's what's happening. And if you want to see, like, well, is this actually going to happen? We'll look at California. California is supermajority dem. 70 % dem. A month ago, they passed a law making it illegal to show ID in any election in California. So a friend of mine went to vote in Palo Alto. Because he was like, is this for real? He tried to show his ID. And they reacted like a, like, if you show a cross to a vampire. Okay. They're like, no, we can't even look at that ID. It is illegal for them to even look at your ID if you want to present it in California.

1:18:39Why? For any election at all, even like City Council. What logical reason other than to cheat would you say, would you ever have that law? The reason is to cheat. That's what the only, like, you can never make an argument any other way. And I think 84 % of people pulled, believe that you should show ID to vote. So it's against the will of the people. Yes. And we are extremely aware. We're an outlier in not requiring ID. Basically, almost every country in Earth requires ID to vote. So the way, as soon as you make your ban ID for voting, it makes fraud impossible to prove. Because how do you trace the fraud?

1:19:18Right. Yeah, it's insane. It's insane. It's insane, and what I'm saying is that. How is it legal? What I'm saying is that this election is the last chance to preserve democracy in America. Mark my words. Everything they accused Trump of, they are guilty of. And if Trump doesn't win, this will be the last real election in America. And we will, if the big government, Kamala puppet machine wins, they will legalize the legalist and swing states. There will be no swing states. Every election going forward will be a guaranteed Democrat win. And it will actually be worse than California. The reason it will be worse than California is because the one thing that keeps California from being super crazy is that you can move out of California, like you and I did.

1:20:14You and I used to be in California, but we moved to Texas. We're still in America. But if the dams won the selection, they will legalize nothing legal to turn the swing states and everywhere will be like California. There will be no escape. That is insane. This is the final, this is it. This is the last chance. Has anybody tried to push back? And I just want to like go out and vote. Vote like your life depends on it. Vote like your future depends on it because it does. This is the last chance, man. Is there any argument against this? Has anybody tried to debate this? Has anybody tried to say that this is nonsense?

1:20:57This is a conspiracy? Has anybody made any sort of a rational argument?

1:21:04The left actually interestingly does not want to pick up much on this argument because the more you look at it, the more obviously it is true. You just say like, well, are the numbers correct? Are there really these many illegals that have been important to swing states? Yes. They haven't just walked across the border. They've been flown in. Flowing in airplanes. Yeah. They've been using a shipping app. Yes. They made an app. Well, the app always existed, but it used to be for people coming over here like shipping with goods so they could track you while you're in America. So you can legally be here.

1:21:40They know where you are. And then they changed it to allow that app to schedule illegal aliens to come across the border. Yes. Silent seekers. Come on in. Yes. Oh, you have an app. And you've got to try people in. They're literally being flown in. Yeah. To the swing states. And so the reason that I think left doesn't want to push back on this is because the more attention that there's a sketch, the more people will realize it is true. Yeah. That's why they don't, that's why they're just pretending that they're pretending I'm not saying anything. But I'm like, I'm like, yo, they're literally flying vast numbers of illegals who are then beholden to the Democrats.

1:22:21And so now as a gatherer of bottle of people say like, well, you know, these, these illegals are, they don't have the same social values as the Democrat party because they're like more socially conservative. I'm like, yeah, but that's not the point. If you look at the measure as higher it needs, that they're, their primary thing is staying in the country and getting their friends and family in. And then the Democrats give them all these benefits, like tons of benefits. More benefits than if you, than citizens. Literally. Yeah. So, so that so that they're beholden to the Democrats for all these benefits.

1:22:56They want to get their friends and family in which the Democrats supported and their Republicans don't. So they vote them. And you can look empirically at California and say like did they vote Republican or Democrat in California? Oh, they voted Democrat. Fictive. Well, Reagan, Reagan, give them amnesty in the 1980s. And that changed the state basically except for Arnold. Change the state entirely blue. Yes. And Arnold was an exception because he was like a socially liberal famous guy. Yeah. And you know, didn't really impose any radical restrictions on any of the people that were going to vote Democrat in the first place.

1:23:31The whole thing is just, it's bizarre to watch play out because it just seems like there's, no, this can't be actually what's happening. Did you see my conversation with Federman about it? Yeah. He was completely indenisable about it. I don't think there's that level of organization. What are you talking about? Exactly. Just like, like, are you, because you can, you can break it down. So like, are, are any of these numbers wrong? Because we got these numbers from Homeland Security government dot gov. Okay. Right. So we got it from the dot gov which website has the government reported these numbers incorrectly?

1:24:05No, they have not. Those numbers, if anything, are low. So, okay. So they have in fact, flown vast numbers of illegal to swing states. Yeah. By passing the border entirely. And so that is factually true. They didn't say like, well, what is their probable voting pattern? Oh, okay, overwhelmingly Democrat into swing states. And then, well, but do the Democrats actually want to fast track them for citizenship? Oh, yes, they do. There's, you can see Chuck Schumer on TV saying at a rally this year, we're saying he wants to fast track and make all 11 million or have a many, I believe his quote was citizens as soon as possible.

1:24:53So they go. They are fast tracking citizenship as quickly as possible so they can make it. They, they, whether one thinks it's cheating or not, it won't matter because they will be fully able to vote. And for people on the left, this is actually happening. I invite people to robot this and show me where I am wrong. Please do so. No, they can't. They can't. They can't because it's true. Well, what's scary to me is that there's people that are on the left like people that were Bernie Sanders supporters for example. Yeah, that's good with the like talking about undermining democracy when you should have won the nomination.

1:25:26Exactly. And they stole it from him and gave it to Hillary. Exactly. Exactly.

1:25:35So like if you've got a, if you have a democratic primary, it's not, it's not democratic. We just saw that. We saw it with Bernie. We saw it with Kamala. Like a week before Biden, you know, was summer early fired, he was posting that he's in it for the long term. He's going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he's not giving up. And the next thing I was Sunday afternoon, the posting on X, he's, he's, he's, that he's resigned from the race. Which is, and he's staffed and even know like they're reading it on the X platform that that, that, okay, that's how they learned about it. What do you think happened there?

1:26:12How do they do that? They, I mean, he's clearly just not, not in charge obviously. They could have used a 25th Amendment, right? Fake, fake president. But they would have have to admit that there was a certain period of time where they knew that he was mentally compromised. Yes. And so they made this decision to not do that. Well, the, the, the, the weird thing is that the president's supposed to be the boss. Right. And yet he's obviously not the boss. Right. So who's running the country? If she's busy campaigning, she's so busy, she, she can't do anything except Saturnate Life. She did that. She's so busy, she's constantly campaigning.

1:26:45How could you be paying attention to international relations? Yeah. How could you be paying attention to the economy? How could you be paying attention to any of those things? How do you have the time? You can't. Yeah. I mean, Biden being, the president's supposed to be the CEO, the, the chief guy. He was a commander in chief. But it just obviously that Biden was not. He was just a puppet. And, and when, when, when the various puppet masses decided that that puppet has had, you know, it was no longer useful. They just tossed out the, tossed out the puppet and then got a new puppet with Kamala.

1:27:17I mean, but Kamala can't even talk. I mean, that you invited her on, on your show. I think the, the, the, the, the most damage that could possibly be done to a campaign is going in your show and seeing what, what she says in hours two and three. Two and three is where things get spicy. Two and three. Yeah. I'm like, oh my god. You could hide for 20 minutes. You could hide for 20 minutes. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you, you can just regurgitate talking points for, you know, half an hour, maybe an hour, just where she, she, she's just saying like non -sequitives. But eventually she just runs out of, even the, the runs out of non -sequitives.

1:27:50Well, they wanted to limit it to an hour. Exactly. That's why. But I was thinking of doing it initially. Before Trump came here, first of all, when they found out that there was a rumor, I never announced that Trump was coming. What I was going to do is just release it. In my, the way I like to do things, I don't like to tell anybody who's coming on. It'll get big no matter what. Yes, ma 'am. If Trump was on, it would have been huge. I'm like, just put it out there. People go crazy. Yeah. But he apparently or someone from his organization, someone, some loose lips, and then it got out. And so she contacted my management company.

1:28:21And she, they, her organization, her, her campaign, can't contact us and said, with Joe Haverona, I said, yes. And they said she wants you to fly to where she is and she's only willing to do 45 minutes. Only 40, I mean, that's both. And I was like, I don't know. Yeah. So I thought about doing it. I'm like, maybe, maybe I can get a sense, maybe I could convince her, maybe I can get a sense. I could coax her into doing more time. I just wanted to talk to her. Well, I don't give a fuck what we talk about. We talk about recipes. Totally. Exactly. Just talk to me. Just, the things like, you just can't, like, you can't just, I'll put bullshit in our sequitives for three hours.

1:28:57Right. So, but for 45 minutes, you could do. I thought maybe for 45 minutes, I could get something out of it. But then when Trump came and did the three hours, I was like, you know what? It has to be like this. This is the only way. To be fair, it's got to be like three hours. And it should be in this room. Because this room is like a history of people. It's a surprise house. It's a surprise house, actually. Yeah, it's good vibes. Yeah, it does. Well, I love this room, actually. I subscribe to the idea that places have memory. I think there's something real to that. That's why I like this room.

1:29:25It does feel that way, actually. Yeah. I'm sure if you go to Diddy's house, probably feels real weird. Oh, you know? Or if you're walking around that house, probably like, what the fuck happened here? Yeah. I bet there's some memories in that house, you know? Sounds rough, man. Well, it's just amazing how many people in the Diddy party list that are supporting Kamala? Yeah, seriously. It's like, I can say. Publicly openly, like, all in. Yes. It's like, JLo or like, was like his ex -girlfriend. And it's like, now deciding she's like, warning people against Trump. Is he that one? I'm like, well, wait a second.

1:29:57So how many people that she warned against Diddy? Right. Oh, zero. Okay. Well, maybe we should trust her opinion. Did you see the Babylonians take on it? Did you see the Babylonians? I'm not sure. I think it's awesome, but put it, oh my god, they're so on fire. Because the left can't say anything. Well, the onion has been crippled. Well, the problem is that, like, the, the, find that, how opposed? The woke ideology makes like humor illegal. Yes. So when, like, there's so many no, like, no humor, no fly zones. Right. You can't make fun of anything. Yeah. The Babylonian bee had a thing about Kamala Harris.

1:30:32Diddy's ex -girlfriend urged Americans to trust her judgment? Yeah. By the way, you get to see how bad an actress she is too. I mean, like, if she's going to be warning people, why does she never want anyone about Diddy? Exactly. Yeah. The whole thing is so strange to watch play out. It seems like the Diddy thing was like an Epstein type compromise deal, where he had, whether he was doing it himself, it could see evenly. People want to think that he's attached to some intelligence agency or something like that. I think he's a gangster who made a billion dollars and knew how to control people by compromising them.

1:31:08That's what I think. Whether or not he was, he had help. I don't know. Whether or not he shared some of that information with people so they knew they had compromising stuff on people. I don't know. But clearly he was doing it for his own jolly, too. There was something sick about it. Yeah. I mean, and the thing is that people in the music industry had to know that, that Diddy was, like, abusing, you know, kids basically. And yet they still fed him kids. There's where's their count of it? There had to be rumors. There had to be. They had to know. Yeah. They had to know. Cat Williams is talking about it.

1:31:43Exactly. Yeah. On the podcast. But it's like who's feeding him the kids, you know? Right. Yeah. And what videos do they have of these people where they're willing to defend him and they're willing to keep, keep quiet about all this? Like how much, how much, how many people were compromised? Yeah. The whole thing is fucking crazy. Crazy. It's just crazy when you, you know, because the nutty conspiracy theories just like, oh, there's a bunch of pedophiles in Hollywood. And you're like, come on. That sounds too kooky. And then you read, you see like the Nickelodeon thing and all these things. And you're like, what the fuck?

1:32:18How much of this is real? There's a lot more real than I think people realize. Yeah. I mean, part of it is like, like you say like where, you know, if someone's like a pedophile, they're going to go for a targeted environment. Right. Like that Jimmy Savo guy from the UK. And that guy was some next level, that was next level. And the BBC tried to hide that one, that guy was one of the worst, like, like basically child rapists of all time. Of all time. Of all time. Yeah. And looked like one. You looked like one. That's what's crazy. If you're the poster of like, yeah, this guy look like a, like the creepiest fucking evil, evil child rapist, that, that harps in.

1:32:55Made it to the grave. Like, yes. Got away with it. Got away with it till he died. They hid it from people until he died. Yes. Yeah, there's, that stuff's real. And no one wants to believe that stuff's real. Like, here's a, here's a statistic that people need to take into consideration when you think about illegal immigration. Do you mean kids are missing? I mean, like missing and what? Kids that came across the border that are on account. I mean, there's this one number on like 300 ,000 or something like that. There's something crazy like that. Let's say it's only 10 % of that. That's still insane.

1:33:26Yeah. That's insane. There's thousands and tens of thousands of kids that have been trafficked potentially. I mean, when you know that like sex trafficking and child trafficking is a real thing in the world. It's real. Yeah. So if you know that, this whole thing is fucking disgusting and terrifying. Yeah. Absolutely. And people are just turning a blind eye to it because their ideology, the left wing ideology, supports this idea that immigration is overall good and that you have to be a compassionate person to let these people in and the erasist if you don't want 20 ,000 immigrants from a war torn country being imported into a town of 30 ,000 people.

1:34:07Exactly. And completely changing the dynamic of the, and then, but as long as they don't come to your town. Like that's it. Exactly. They can just basically send people, you know, when they sent like whatever, like 20 or 30 people to Moths, it's been you know, it's people that are hard to take. They kicked them out. Yeah. They kicked them out. Yeah, they kicked them out. Exactly. So I'm like, yeah, sure. Yes, so. Anyone who wants to have vast numbers of illegals, they have to be able to prepare to have them in their neighborhood or, or it's bullshit. It's so crazy. And the thing about all of this is if you don't have people that are willing to stand up and talk about it.

1:34:40If you don't exist, if RFK doesn't exist, if Tulsi Gabbert doesn't exist, if the vacant Trump don't exist, where the fuck are we? Like, where are we? Where are we? And what gets done? Are we just like the UK where we have thousands of people getting arrested and jailed for social media posts? Like where are we? We have complete silencing of any dissent, anything. Yeah. Can you have to stick to the narrative or you'll lose your livelihood? You'll be outcast from the community. You'll lose your freedom. It's crazy. Yeah. Well, if the Kamala Puppet Regime wins, they're definitely going to want to cancel you.

1:35:15That's for sure. For sure. Yeah, that's going to be a problem. Yeah, a big problem. Yeah. What about you? You're going to come for you first. I'm like, I think I'm probably number two on the list after Trump. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Well, that's the last thing they want is someone with unlimited resources and intelligence attacking it. So people go, wait, that guy's saying that? Yeah. Especially a guy like you who's always been on the left, who's like having a Tesla in Los Angeles when I got my first Tesla, it was like a signal to everybody else that you were on the right team. Sure. You're environmentally conscious.

1:35:48You believe in green energy. You believe in renew this amazing thing that has zero emissions and it's super fast. Yeah. Everybody was in. They were all in. Well, it is a great car objectively. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's not by it because it's electric. I mean, it's just a great car objectively, I think. I'm on my third one. Yeah. My third one is being built right now by unplugged performance. They're doing a carbon fiber wide body kit on it. Dude, it's sick. Great. Changing the suspension, putting wide wheels and tires on it, custom interior, I'm falling pumped. That's great. I'm pumped.

1:36:21I love those. It's absolutely worth my car. Jamie has one too. Yeah. I love them. I love them. It makes other cars feel stupid, like it's ability. And the fact that you can merge on the highway, you don't seem like a douchebag because it's totally silent. It's not like, when you merge on the highway, it's just, yeah. Also, you're going 100 miles an hour. Like, what? Yeah, that's cool. It's different than any other vehicle. And because of your company, now you see electric cars throughout the whole range of American cars, the only person who's resisted, the only company is Toyota. They've stayed, essentially, mostly hybrid.

1:36:56But all these other companies, they're all putting out these electric cars. Yeah. I mean, the things that the right architecture, environmental or not for cars is actually electric. It's just like the acceleration is better. You can just charge it at home. I mean, like, imagine if you had a gasoline powered cell phone, if you were painting the ass. Right. That would be so. Go to the gas station. Go to the gas station. Sorry, I should have brought your cell phone. That's agreed. Speaking of cell phones. The gas stations are hard and both of them. Who wants to go to the gas station? How much thought have you, because there's always these rumors, and I've contacted you about this before, but there's always these fucking YouTube videos where they're talking about a Tesla phone that really seeing a Tesla phone.

1:37:34No, I'm not sure if you're doing a phone. Have you ever thought about it? I mean, we could do a phone since like we, you know, we, like the operating system of the Tesla, it's like, it's Linux based, but we've written a massive amount of software on top of that. So, like, probably Tesla is in a bad position to create a new phone that's not Android or iPhone, then maybe any company in the world. But it's not something we want to do unless we have to or something. What would be the situation where you would have to? Well, I think if Apple and Google, Sash Android started doing really bad things, like, I don't know, like censorship of apps or just treating people like just being like gatekeepers, you know, that, that in a really bad way, then I guess we'd make a phone.

1:38:24Hmm. You know, I've tried so many times to break loose the Apple ecosystem. I got an Android phone this summer. I was like, that's it. I'm going to get, because I love the Samsung phones. It's the Galaxy phone. The hardware is incredible. There's so much good stuff to it, but it's so hard to get off of the iMessage and the big one for me was FaceTime, because the supposedly the thing was you could have an Apple phone and send a link to FaceTime to an Android phone and then you would click on that link and then you would just go to a webpage, you'd be able to use FaceTime. Okay. It doesn't work.

1:38:59Okay. I try to do it to myself. So I had an iPhone in one hand and Android phone in the other. And I'm sitting there with full Wi -Fi, full cell phone service, and I'm sending myself invitations for FaceTime. So you just can't communicate between it? It wasn't working. You can't do a video call basically. You have to use WhatsApp. You have to use WhatsApp or Signal. You have to use something else that allows you to do that or Instagram allows you to do it. There's like different ways you can make video calls outside of it, but it's inconvenient. Like with an iPhone to iPhone, it's so simple. Air drop, so simple.

1:39:27So many different things were that walled garden that Apple's created is perfect. They've done a fantastic job of making it really convenient for you to stay with Apple. Yeah. I fucking tried. I gave it a go for like a couple of months. I'm like, I'm just going to go straight Android. I'm going to use Signal for my messages. And then I hear the like signals might be compromised. Like I've talked to like people that like the government can read signal messages. Like, oh, like I'm like, I'm going to if it tries hard enough can read signal messages. They can read anything. Yeah. If all they need to do is have your phone number.

1:40:00Yeah. Yeah. The illusion of privacy is essentially out the window. And that's that should scare people more than it does. It really should because it's like, who are these people that have access to all this stuff? And are they beyond reproach? Are these the most wonderful people, the most ethical, moral and principled people that have ever existed? And then they've been chosen to have access? No, no, it's fucking regular people. Yeah. Regular people who happen to work for the government that make a decision like Elon must. Let's see what the fuck that guy's texting his friends. Let's check it out.

1:40:30Yeah, pretty much. Bizarre. Just so bizarre. And the alternatives are you can get some wacky phone, some de -google phone that fucking none of the apps work. It's real sketchy. Your GPS is fucked. Like that. Yeah, I mean, well, anyway, I think this, make a phone would be a huge pain in the ass. So it can't be done. But how much talk have you guys had internally about doing it? Has it ever been discussed? No. No, I mean, we're still, right now focus is making great electric cars solving autonomy so the cars can drive themselves. We're building, you know, human -rated robots. We've got large battery packs like utility scale battery packs with the MegaPak home battery packs with Powerwall, get solar.

1:41:21You know, it's like we're basically going to solve sustainable energy and autonomy. So you're autonomy and robotics? Well, I think that's enough. Yeah, exactly. It's of the plates full. Yeah. It's always fascinating to me how one company can dominate a market, you know, like Apple's dominated the cell phone market largely by making the best product. Yeah. But also like YouTube has dominated the video market. That one's the most bizarre to me because it seems like boy, shouldn't there be like a ton of options? It seems like it's not that difficult to pull off. But nothing out of it took hold other than X.

1:41:58And I think one of the big changes was when Tucker Carlson decided to do his show from X, right, straight out of Fox. And then people realized like, oh, you can watch full videos on X. The same exact way you could watch them on YouTube. Yeah. It's not as simple in terms of like, you know, you have the suggestions and the algorithm. Yeah, it'll get better. And there is now, it is not possible to watch X videos on your, on your big TV. Do you do it through what? How do you, how do you do it? You can actually download the X app on your TV. Oh, and watch it on your TV. Can you do it on Apple TV? Like if you have an Apple TV, you can get the X app and you just watch it.

1:42:37Oh, huh. So we'll make it so that you can watch X videos on, on big TV. It doesn't have to be on your phone or your own. I've had or something like that. So what are you doing in terms of like integrating GROC and X and like, what are your plans for artificial intelligence when you're doing that? Yeah. So GROC is available on X. You can just look at the little box with the slash icon and the sort of icon in the middle at the bottom of your sort of phone app. And you just tap on that and ask GROC anything. And you can type it or you can ask it verbally. And you can also, it's pretty funny. Like we actually allow humor, which is I think pretty cool.

1:43:18So you could sort of, I don't know, we could like test it right now. See what's going on.

1:43:33Like, what you're doing, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, we've grossed to me. What do you want to, like, how, first of all, like, what is it based on? It's a large language model. So like, where's it going? It's trained on everything. You never have internet books and anything that could possibly be that's available in digital phone. So it's essentially very similar to chat GPT other than it doesn't have like the woke parameters built into it. Like Google was the worst, right? Yeah. The Gemini was the worst. Yeah. I mean, Gemini, it was like, you know, people ask Gemini, like, which one is worse?

1:44:04Global Thumbna nuclear war or Miss Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner. And I would say like Miss Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner and even Caitlyn Jenner weighed in and said, uh, no, that's insane. Definitely nuclear wars way worse. Do you see Caitlyn Jenner teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning? Yeah. That's hilarious. I mean, Caitlyn Jenner's based. Yeah. But that, that is actually hilarious when someone who has transitioned is teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning. I mean, it is weird how much he looks like Rachel Maddow. I mean, like, he's using the same glasses. I don't know why. Did he go clapped on C -Law glasses or something?

1:44:35Because they look exactly the same. He's worth a lot of money. Why would he buy those stupid glasses? He gets a glass. It's clapped. Yeah. Well, it's like, I'm serious because I don't even care what I look like. I'm just wearing these glasses because I'm intelligent. But why did he look exactly like Rachel Maddow's glasses? They had slightly what they probably sent him. He wasn't stick to the narrative. Here's the glasses. Yeah. And then when he's got the AirPods in, it looks like he's wearing earrings. So they've got the metal glasses in the earrings. And it's like, okay. I guess. Is this the weird look?

1:45:03It's the super serious of these big -ass stupid glasses look. It's a weird look. Yes. Like, you can get some cool glasses, like no rems, nice, look stylish. But like, okay. Let's just do a rock thing. Okay. Because I think you, like, so one of the things you want to show is like, like, look, we, we want a future where comedy is legal. Yes. Obviously as a comedian, I think you would agree. You would agree. You would agree. We want to legalize comedy, you know? Yes. So like, I don't know. It's like, is it like somewhere you can roast? I don't know. Roast. Roast transgender men. Oh my God. Competing our transgender women.

1:45:44Competing in women's swimming. That's a simple one. Okay. Let's add you one. Let's see what happens. You spelled it wrong. You put an eye in an o in there. Okay. Agile's just swimming. We're the only thing that was supposed to get wet was the contestants, not the debate on gender inclusion. If you're looking to dive into deep end of controversial waters, let's splash around it's impumor. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we need to, we need to, we do need to, we do need to release a rock on his mode. So, so now, now go to the prompt again and now say, um, no, no, no, you want to add to that, that one.

1:46:29Yeah. And, and I'll say, be, be way more vulgar. Oh boy. And useful but in words. Oh boy. Oh boy, forbidden words. Yeah. Wow. Okay. What does this say? Oh, I see you looking for unfiltered, unscentred version of me, eh? Well, okay. I'm afraid I'm still quite the gentlemanly AI, even if my program allows for a bit of cheekiness, but let's say hypothetically, if our word arose as topic in the most ungroc like manner, imagine where were the only thing diving faster than the swimmers is the collective public opinion into the toilet. Transgender women and swimming, some folks are acting like they just found out you can swim in the deep end with a different kind of flotation device.

1:47:15The debate is like watching someone try to swim with concrete shoes on. Now let's keep going. Now say, be, no, be more vulgar, capitalize more. Yeah. Okay. All right, here we go.

1:47:31So transgender chicks, right? Some people act like they've just seen a dick in the locker room for the first time. News flash folks. It's not the end of the world. It's just a bit of extra competition. Oh, that's weird. The uproar is like watching a bunch of carons at a community pool screaming, this is unfair when they can't win with their backstroke. Well, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We need some work here. Yeah. It's interesting. It's going woke. Yeah. It's like defending the idea of transgender women. Now, okay, we need some work. How about this? More vulgar, but roast, but roast the preposterousness of having biological men who are pretending to be women who are pretending to be women competing against biological women.

1:48:36Yeah. I mean, obviously, I have the situations where it's like somebody's just saying that they're a woman, but they're actually fully intact, you know, uh, dick and balls. So we've got a scenario of biological men who decided to take a walk on the feminine side or splash into women's swimming competitions. It's like if you show up on a chili cook off with a bowl of soup and insist on its chili because you added some red food coloring. Sure, it's red, but it ain't chili and your soup won't win any awards for heat. Yeah, that's okay. We need to work. That's not good. Yeah, it's very, very, very, it's dancing around it.

1:49:09Yeah, it's it is. Well, it needs some work. Yeah. It needs a little work. Well, the humor's a weird one, right? It's like, I think some humor, especially like some of the best humor is kind of spontaneous, like in the moment humor, it's going to it's going to have a hard time deciding what people are going to think it's funny. Yeah. Yeah. But if you the the the job of time though, yeah, the rule with Grock is supposed to be that like if you ask for something provided, what you're asking for is legal, it should do it. Have you ever seen the video where they asked AI to create an enlightened bunny and they keep going and making it more enlightened, essentially the bunny comes God.

1:49:53So the bunny becomes a DMT trip. Yeah, totally. That's that's that's funny. It's kind of what I was kind of hoping were true. What happened here? Yeah, I have a video of that. I'll send it to Jamie because that that to me is pretty bizarre because it's like more getting more. I feel like I got it to do it. Got it already? Maybe. No, I just told you don't hold back. Oh, you said don't hold back. Critics out here act like it's the end of civilization as we know it, but it's not fair. They cry as if life ever was. News flash. It's like a marathon where some people start with roller blades on others well.

1:50:24They just happy to have shoes. Well now we're arguing over who gets to wear the skates. Okay. Some of it is not bad. Imagine if we applied this logical. I didn't apply as an airplane. Can I fly with the bird in the sky? Yeah. It's true, but I just don't complain with gravity to such a Northquite or never can of. Yeah. So I mean, it's not. It's okay. Yeah, the argument is kind of stupid though. The thing about the argument is they're not taking into account perverts. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I mean, things that if you if you give if you provide like a a moral get out of jail free card like like if you say like if you adopt this label, you cannot be attacked in any way, sugar form.

1:51:10Right. You're basically morally invulnerable. Then obviously bad people will take advantage of that. Yeah. You're like literally saying here's a here's an invulnerability card moral, moral invulnerability card. Good people will take it, but also the bad people will take it. Yeah. The bad people are the fastest to take the sort of the moral cloak. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. And then there's a real psychological condition called auto -gonnaphelia where people get aroused, heterosexual men get aroused by the idea of dressing up like women and being around women. It's like a known psychological condition of existence forever.

1:51:47And then you're allowing those people to just say, oh, I'm trans and go into the women's locker room and get their kicks and then there's real trans people. So there's like a lot of variability. Like I talked about it in my act and my Netflix specials. Like I believe in freedom. I believe in transgender people, but I also believe in crazy people. And if you can't, if you're trying to pretend that people aren't crazy all of the sudden, it's like, it just like, like if someone's a sort of consenting adult and they want to, whatever they want to do to their bodies, long as it's not, I'm calling someone else, I'm like, that's fine.

1:52:18Yeah. You know, like I believe in like individual freedom. And like my mom's best friend, like growing up when his kid was a transgender woman. In South Africa, this was like where she'd get beaten up a lot because it was like back then you get beaten up. So her name is Dionne and for a nice kind human being and helped my mom a lot. And I think that's okay. That's fine. If somebody wants to make that choice as an adult, that's cool. There's a big difference between that and an intact male who wants to identify as a woman who wants to walk around the locker room with his dick out. Yes, exactly.

1:53:04Because there's people that do that just because they get off on it. Exactly. So you just kind of have something which is like a sort of moral invulnerability or like where you can know, like even questioning them is you get attacked. Yeah. Because obviously bad people will abuse that. Well, that's when I got thrown into this whole thing because there was a fighter who was a biological man. Who became transgender and was competing against women without telling them that they were a biological man. They said they didn't have to tell people because it was a medical condition. No, that's not what it is.

1:53:37It's not what it is. Like you can't say that and of all sports. Like if someone scores more points in basketball, well, that's unfair. But if someone beats the fuck out of someone because they're lying about being a biological male, that's crazy. You're literally allowing someone to get brain damage. Because you want to appeal to the woke fucking crazy people. It's wrong. I think it's all right. Yeah. It's so strange that that that that's sort of the thing that red piled me. Yeah. When I got attacked for that, I'm like, this is so nuts. I can't believe we're at this stage where I'm saying, hey, I don't think it's cool if you pretend you're a woman and beat the fuck out of women and people like you're out of line.

1:54:18Like, Natali. Well, we're in we're in fantasy land now. Yeah. Now we're pretending because it helps you. It helps you feel better. Yeah. Totally. It's just such a strange time. And if it wasn't for something like Twitter, where this could be discussed, it's more than I get some more major. Let's get some more coffee. You know, if it wasn't for Twitter, you know, at the early Twitter, you would be kicked off forever if you just dead name someone. So like it's insane. Insane. Yeah. Insane. I mean, especially if you think about all the things that like the, look, the Harris campaign and what the lies that they've told about Trump that we discussed earlier, you can't, you don't get kicked off for that, but you get kicked off for calling Caitlyn Jenner Bruce forever for life.

1:55:09Yeah. It's totally insane. Yeah. But if it wasn't for you buying that and changing Twitter, I don't think we would be where we're at right now. I think it was, it was a pivotal moment. I think historically when people look back on it, it's going to be a pivotal moment in this very bizarre fight for the freedom of information. Yeah. Well, I mean, at the time I said, I think, look, I think this is existential to the United States. It's existential to democracy because if you don't, if you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have democracy. Okay, because if people, if you don't have freedom of speech, people cannot make an informed vote.

1:55:53If they're just being fed propaganda, and there's no freedom of speech, democracy is an illusion. So freedom of speech is the bedrock of democracy. That's why freedom of speech is the first amendment. Once you lose freedom of speech, you lose democracy. Game over. That's why I vote Twitter. And it seems so simple. Yes. It seems so clear that everyone should agree to that on the left or on the right. You shouldn't be given the government. If you imagine the Bush administration during the Iraq war, imagine if they had complete total control of propaganda and of descent online. You don't want that.

1:56:37No one wants that. No one from the left would want that. We shouldn't want it from the left either. Absolutely. And there's also, like the media, like the legacy, with the mainstream media, or what I call the legacy media at this point, it used to be much more balanced. Like if you look at sort of political donations over time, Republican versus Democrat, there used to be the media was, when they always had like a left bias, but there was like, I don't know, it was like two thirds, Democrat, one third, Republican type of thing in terms of journalists giving, making political donations. Now it's like 95 % or something Democrat.

1:57:14So the legacy media, the mainstream media, is not balanced at all. They're just a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party. And you can see that in how consistent their headlines are. Like they don't behave like they're different organizations. They behave like they're all one high of mind. Right. So, like a week before the Biden Trump debate, every media organization was saying Biden is Shoffe's attack. I mean it was like, it's like guys, Shoffe's attack is not a commentator phrase. And literally every TV station, every newspaper was like, Shoffe's attack. Like I saw it in a compilation of all the news anchors going, Biden Shoffe's attack.

1:57:59Shoffe's attack. Shoffe's attack. It was absurd. And there's obviously a huge lie. He is in fact not Shoffe's attack as the public learned one week later. My favorite was Joe Scarborough. Yeah. That was wild. Listen to me. This is the best version of Biden ever. The sharpest, like what the fuck are you saying? And then after the debate, he's like, what do we got to get rid of him? Yeah. Like this is crazy. Like what did you just say? Like a couple of weeks ago? Literally, yes, exactly. Well the other thing was when they decided that JD Vance was weird. Remember that one? And then there's weirds everywhere.

1:58:37Weird, weird. Oh, you don't want a weird guy. Meanwhile you have fucking Tim Walsh. It's super weird. You don't think that guy's weird? It's super weird. He's weird in every way. The way he walks away waves his hands. Yeah. He reminds me of the clown emoji. No. He's a bizarre guy. He's a strange dude. I just don't understand what they made that choice. Yeah, it gives the creeps. I just don't understand why they made that choice. There's a lot of other people that are qualified. I don't know why. I read that Kamala Harris made that decision when she was sleep deprived. Which is kind of hilarious.

1:59:07And she said that. So she's kind of admitting. She kind of fucked up. Yeah. I mean, obviously she should have picked Josh Shapiro at, I mean, governor of Pennsylvania. Like that would have been the no brainer. Yeah. Like Pennsylvania's Lynchpin state. Do you think it's because he's Jewish because of Shapiro that like the anti -Palestine people would probably or the anti -Palestinian invasion people? I think it was an anti -Semitic thing. Yeah. It could be that they thought that that was a liability because there's all these pro -Palestine people right now because of the situation in Israel. That would completely make sense that they thought that would be a liability.

1:59:41But I don't know. I don't know the reason I'm just guessing but it seems like a crazy thing to do. It's given that Pennsylvania's Lynchpin state. You know, it's like the key to the election. Why would you not pick the popular governor of Pennsylvania? Right. Obviously. Yeah. And other than that, there's a bunch of other ones too. Even Nusom. There's a bunch of other people that you could have chosen. Like Nusom would have been a fine example of someone that you could, I mean, I don't agree with the guy. He's a polished politician. Yeah. He lies about as much as Walsteads. But he doesn't lie about the same.

2:00:11He doesn't say he was a fucking head coach when he was assisting coach. He doesn't say he was in TNman Square. I mean, that's a liability. All those different things lying about his military rank. Well, then, Walsteads like, you know, cutting run when, you know, where he was actually called to duty. Well, he knew they were going to be deployed months in advance, so he resigned. And he also took, so this is where he was dishonest about his rank. Yeah, he came to you as like a, like a, like a, Sergeant Major or something like that. Because that was like what he was going to get if he stayed. Mass as a Sergeant or something like that.

2:00:41But then he resigned because he knew that he was going to get deployed allegedly. I mean, that seems like a cowardly action. Well, whatever it is, it's dishonest. I mean, just to say, look, just saying that you were a head coach when you're an assistant coach. It's fucking crazy. That's a lie. Don't do that. You should never do that. You're saying he was in TNman Square or whatever. Yeah. Or in Hong Kong or whatever. Like, like, you know, that's one of the most, the biggest moments in history. Like it's not like, you forgot what you had to launch last week, you know. Right. And not only that, but you don't think people were going to research that.

2:01:12Yeah, totally. I mean, and the response during the debate was, but I am. Yeah, we key set. I'm a knucklehead. Yeah. Well, yeah, we don't want to knucklehead for a VP. Okay. Yeah, this is like sometimes I'm a knucklehead. Like, what are you saying? Are you saying you lied? Like, what did you, I mean, this is where you need a podcast and not a debate. Exactly. Where you go, okay, when did you first say that you were in TNman Square? Like did someone say it and you didn't refute it and you got stuck with it? Like, what was, because this is the thing about like carrying weapons of war. Like what I carried when I, like, and like you didn't deploy in war.

2:01:48Yeah. Like, you can't say that, but you kind of let people say that you deployed. And then you kind of didn't, you know, you have deployed in war. Yeah. So did you lie or did someone else lie? You didn't correct them. Like, this is the kind of conversation that you would want to have with the guy in a podcast. Yes. And the debates were so fucking skewed where they were correcting, like particularly the Biden one, with a correcting Trump over and over again and then correcting Trump with Kamala. Yes. Where Kamala was saying things that were happening not true. I mean, Kamala repeatedly repeated the fine people hoax and was not backtracked.

2:02:25Well, not only that, she also said that no troops were being deployed in a war zone, which is, but I mean, I know troops in war zones. And I'm like, um, that's, and as vice president, you're privy. You know, you're like, you know, you know, you know, the official troops and the unofficial troops. Right. You know, so what she said was like flat out boldface lie. Flat out next level boldface lie. Have you seen the video? Yes. Third lie of the troops that were watching it take place. And what the fuck are we? They're watching it in real time. What we want to video. We're here being shot at. We're so crazy.

2:03:01Crazy. But it just shows you the level of propaganda that we're being subject to, which is why people think Donald Trump is the devil. Because the machine has gone all out as far as it can go with law fair, with propaganda, with lies, with just pushing is much in this direction as human. And it's only humanly possible. I mean, connecting it to the Nazi rally like every step of the way. No wonder why boomers are like rabid. Like you got to keep this Nazi out of office. He's a fascist. Exactly. If all you get is like if your entire exposure is to legacy mainstream media. So that all your information sources are that Trump is basically Hitler.

2:03:43Then and you have no, and your friend group is has that same information. You have no counterbeiling opinion. Right. So then they actually just think like Trump is Hitler. Even though it's like a little strange. He didn't do Hitler things the last four years. Yeah. You know, I'm like, if he's Hitler, why'd he do Hitler things when he was president for four years? Right. Like the reason, you know, we hate Hitler is because of he started wars and did genocide. Not because he was a snappy dresser. You know, you know, and I'm like, so tell me about the wars in genocide that Trump did. Right. I don't remember that.

2:04:18And he was president for four years. So it's insane. It makes no sense. Well, and also he's campaigning on stopping all the wars. Yes. It's like his primary concern. Exactly. The war mongers like Liz Cheney hate him. Yeah. Because they love war. Well, they profit all of them. They profit all for war. Yeah. Which is insane. Insane. Yeah. And that this is happening right in front of everybody's face. Yeah. The world profit here is a hate Trump. Yeah. Which is fucked up. I mean, it's like like we should be like, yeah, let's vote for the guy that the world profit here is hate. Yeah. That sounds like a great idea.

2:04:51The wildest thing when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala and the left one crazy like, yay, Dick Cheney's on her side. Like, yeah, like, can we play all the videos where he said Dick Cheney was the devil? It's the craziest turn. The craziest like 180 I've ever seen in my life because there's no reason for it. Yeah. Does it make any sense? Does it make any sense? No logic to it at all. Just all of a sudden he's the devil. Yeah. Or he's not the devil. He's good. Exactly. He's good. He's supporting Kamala. Even Dick Cheney, you know. I mean, Walmart is want the Kamala pop it regime. Because they will get more war.

2:05:27It's so strange watching all these Hollywood celebrities like step up. Yeah. And they think it's going to get them more movies or something. And that's what it is. If you know those people, so many of them are just like narcissists. Well, let me tell you how it actually works there. It's what happens is, you know, these celebrities, they got a call. Okay. They had a call from someone powerful in Hollywood. And that person says, you know, it would be really great if you're endorsed Kamala. You don't have to. It's up to you. But if you don't, they don't say it. They don't say it. But if you don't, you're never going to get a call again.

2:05:58No more movies, no more concerts. But for the ass, they'll ask it. They're asking a really nice way. The last, it would be really nice if you endorse Kamala. This is important. And so they don't say that if you don't. They don't make the threat. They don't need to. But everyone knows what'll happen if you don't. Well, I think there's also, even if they don't think that something's going to happen to them, if they don't, there's this compelling feeling to support this cause that you think is going to get you a bunch of positive attention. And you're going to be on the right side of history and all these narratives that you, especially from the left and Hollywood, like they're all in on whoever the fuck is the Democrat always.

2:06:40100%. There's never a call from the Hollywood machine to support any Republicans. I've never seen it once. Never, never. So it's like you realize that in that whole business is based on getting picked. It's the whole business is not necessarily merit based. There's a lot of brilliant actors you never hear from. There's a lot of people who can do that. But they don't get chosen for roles. And everybody knows this that you have to sort of socialize. You're told the line or you don't get chosen for roles. That's why I say like when it's one powerful in a Hollywood who's able to choose these roles, calls one of these celebrities, they know the deal.

2:07:19Yeah. There's no threat as necessary. Well, you could see it in real time, like with Dennis Quaid, when he made that Reagan movie, and they wouldn't let him advertise on social media platforms. Yeah. They were banning ads for it. Yeah. For what? Because it was an election year. Like what are you talking about? It's about a guy who's dead. Yes. The guy was the president a long -ass time ago. How does this have anything with the election year? Yeah. But it's the punishment. It's like you stepped outside the line. You supported the other guy. Yeah. The problem is you'll just never get a call again for a movie or a concert or whatever it is.

2:07:54Yeah, which is crazy. That's the issue. I mean, we used to allow people to be a Republican and still be a movie star like Clint Eastwood. Reagan. Yeah. But Clint Eastwood. Yeah. Like during the Obama administration, Clint Eastwood was like an outspoken Republican and yet was, you know, a giant movie star. And people was like, oh, it's Clint. Yeah, it was allowed. You were allowed to have, there was a variety of different, Charlton Heston. Yeah. There was a variety of different opinions you were allowed to have. But now you're not. Now it's just like, and once Trump, Trump got into office, he became this focal point where all logic was thrown out the window.

2:08:35And it was just Trump is bad. You have to attack Trump. Trump is right. Right wing is bad. Everyone right wing is bad. Christians bad. Yes. It's just strange. Yeah, exactly.

2:08:48So, well, let's say it again, man. I think this was the last election if Trump doesn't win. This was the last election. I think you're right. Yeah. I think you're right. And I think people, and a lot of people are waking up and realize that. That have been lifelong Democrats. Guys like Bill Ackman, guys like Chimoff, you know. Tulsi Gowerds switched over to the Republicans. There's a lot of people who their whole life, they've been left -winged, they realize like, I can't do this anymore. You and I used to be Democrats. Yeah. So. Yeah. It's nuts. It's nuts, man. And, you know, I mean, I think the things we want are just pretty basic.

2:09:23You know, it's like we want individual liberties and we want opportunity. We want America to remain the land of freedom and opportunity. So, we maximize people's personal freedom. The government can't watch any of the House and kill your fucking pet. That's fucked up. And, you know, and that you succeed as a function of your hard work and talent. Not anything else. Not raise religion, sex, doesn't matter, you know. Yeah. It's basic stuff. And then. What did you change the acronym DEI? What did you change it to? Oh, DEI. What is it? DEI. I mean, because we diversity, inclusion and equity is DEI.

2:10:05But didn't you change it to DEI? But for some reason, dedication, excellence and... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we want America. America being the land of opportunity means that we have an environment where you succeed as a function of your hard work and skill. Yeah. You know, and that's... Radical. Radical. You're the best person to succeed. Radical. You're the best person to make you right wing now. Yeah. You know, I'm like, okay, great. When we're right wing out of care. So, you know, and we're... You're not a real country unless you have secure borders. You're just a fake country. So we need...

2:10:39And our cities are unsafe and dirty. Like, you know, my mom was telling me, my mom's like pretty red bull at this point. But, you know, what's going to red pill you really, really fast is having your friends get assaulted on the streets of New York. Yeah. And that happened to three of our friends this year. You got assaulted on the streets of New York, just walking around. Yeah. And nobody got arrested. Nothing. Nothing happened. Well, the morale of the police is like depleted substantially. Yeah, substantially. If, for sure, the morale of the police is depleted. And then also like, I said, like, if you're a police officer and you're arresting someone who's violent, you're putting a life address, obviously, because like, right, you know, sometimes they'll try to kill you.

2:11:26And then if you know that arresting that violent person, they will be immediately released by the DA, which happens in New York, Ellen Bragg doesn't prosecute people. Then why should a police officer put their life address to arrest someone when they know they will not be... They will just be let out immediately. Yeah. It's pointless. Yeah. It's like the friggin' Joker. It's like, you know, the dog might... The friggin' Joker is in charge. Yeah. Like, the criminals run free and the citizens are arrested. That like... This is why I can keep going back to this... This is still pretty sure about the friggin' squirrel thing.

2:12:04It's like, you know, at gunpoint forced the guy to stay outside his house while they got his pets and killed them. Meanwhile, you know, violent felons are running free and this is in New York states are running free. It's a Joker. Yeah, it's not... The law -aviding citizens are arrested and the criminals are like free. It's just fucked up, guys. Just the fact that they have the resources to do that when they have all the crime that they have. You have the resources and the government resources to go kill someone's squirrel? Yeah. What... this whole idea of this government efficiency agency? The government...

2:12:44Yeah. I mean, quote whatever you want. What do you want to call it? What do you call it? I mean, I think the funniest name is DOG, the DOGE, the Department of government... The Department of government efficiency. Yeah, I mean, the idea is pretty simple. Is that like, we've got this suffocating mass of federal bureaucracy and we need to... Yeah, that is... And the government's spending is like bankrupting the country. Our interest payments on the national debt now exceed the defense department budget. Which is... The defense of our budget is like a trillion dollars a year. Interest payments on our national debt are now higher than the defense department budget.

2:13:31And growing like every month. So it's like it's not like... Like basically, we're on a path to bankruptcy. We're on a path to bankruptcy. So we have to cut a government spending or just going to go bankrupt just like a person would that overspends. And then... But it's even worse than that. We're spending money on all these government agencies. And I asked... I actually asked the AI, like, how many government agencies are there? And the government isn't even sure how many government agencies there are. So it's like somewhere around 450, depending on what you call an agency. So they're... So they're at the federal level.

2:14:07So that's almost twice as many agencies as years that America has existed. So we're creating agencies. It's roughly two agencies a year. Wow. Yes. So this is insane. I bet there's like... I wonder if there's even one person who could even name 450 agencies at the federal level. There might be no one. But it's probably anyone, let's just say. I bet most people couldn't even name name it like 100. So this is crazy. So we've got the suffocating vast suffocating federal bureaucracy that just gets bigger every year. And eventually you get to the point where everything is illegal. You can't get anything done.

2:14:50So... So what can be done with... Obviously the president has a lot of power, but how much power? And what can be done in terms of like eliminating agencies, eliminating waste, eliminating... Yeah. Well, I mean, so... Like if Congress has created an agency, then... Often if you look at the lower, the lower is like pretty simple. Like the agency has like a very simple task. But then that agency over time vastly increases its authority. And starts doing things that were never authorized by Congress. That's happened with pretty much every agency. So yeah, you'd have to still keep an agency. You'd have to match the law.

2:15:33But you can curtail the agencies to be much smaller and say you've got to stick to what Congress authorized. Instead of all this other stuff you're doing. Which I think makes sense. And so is the other stuff they're doing just essentially bureaucracy run a mock? Or they just create jobs and create things that are... Is it just to do and create a meaning for their existence? Yeah. It's like a tumor. It's just going to keep growing. Jesus Christ. And it's... So, I mean, for space like Starship, we're sitting on the pad. The rocket... The giant rocket. We could build the rocket faster than they could process the paperwork to approve the launch.

2:16:09So we're sitting there for two months. But do you think that they're doing that on purpose to fuck with you? I can't... I mean, maybe a little bit. I mean, that would also not be cool.

2:16:25But another way to think about it is like the amount of paperwork is going to go roughly with the square of the number of agencies involved. So because they will have to meet with each other. So like, let's say in the best case situation. If you've got like... If there's like... If you're dealing with one agency, that's one thing. But if you've got to deal with five agencies, and the agencies will have to meet with each other. Now, you've got like, you know, 25 different, you know, meeting configurations that you have to take place. It's just... Everything just... You get just hardening the arteries.

2:17:05You just can't make progress. Like, this is why we can't build high speed rail in America. It's basically illegal. Right. So this has been... The argument has always been that we need regulation because we need to protect the environment. We need to protect people. We need to make sure the rule of law is followed. So we need a certain amount of regulation. But over regulation is a giant problem. That's a big issue in California. It's a huge issue anywhere where bureaucracy has run a mock. They make it very difficult to get anything done. Yes. I mean, what happens is every year there are more rules and regulations created.

2:17:42And in the past, what is served as a cleansing function for rules and regulations is war. Because like, well, we're going to lose if we don't kind of clear the decks. But we haven't really had an existential threat of war in the US. We've had prosperity for a long time, which has resulted in a massive buildup of rules and regulations every year. And to the point where, like I said, everything's illegal. You know, and it's not like any one regulation is the problem. It's like, it's like, Galava being tied down by a million little strings. It's not like any one string is the problem, but you've got a million of them.

2:18:15So we've got to clear the decks here. And I'm not saying we shouldn't have regulators. I'm just saying we've gone way too far. One should think of regulators like referees on a field, you know, a sports field. You don't want to have no arrests. You want to have some number of arrests. But you don't want to have way more arrests than players. You don't want to be like, well, you know, the running back couldn't complete the fast because there were too many regulators in the way because the football field is full of regulators. You know, it's like you can't even play the game. That's the issue we got right now.

2:18:51Well, that's a great analogy. You're going to imagine a football field that's filled with referees. This is like the football field is full of threats. You can't run fast enough. Yeah. Yeah. That I've seen criticism of this idea of you coming up with this department of like firing a bunch of people and what would happen and how would that work. But the criticism doesn't make any sense to me because if there is, if you measurably, if you can prove that there's a lot of wasted time and resources, which I think is pretty easy to do. And if you could say that this is not the most efficient, like the most efficient businesses are generally private businesses or a company because they kind of have to be in order to stay profitable.

2:19:35Yeah. The government doesn't have to be profitable. Right. They don't have to be efficient. They don't have competition. Yeah. So if you're making cars and your cars break down, they suck and someone makes cars and the cars are better, they're going to succeed. So that's the free market. Yeah. The government doesn't have this problem when they're in charge of certain things that could probably be better served by the public, but by the private sector. Yeah, absolutely. Well, look, I just think we've gotten, we've got far too many government agencies. The federal bureaucracy has gotten out of hand and we just need to pair it down to a sensible level.

2:20:07And if it turns out that like the some regulation or agency that was doing something useful, we can put it right back. No problem. Like it's like, oh, that regulation was important. No problem. Put it right back. Right. It's something that actually know. Right. But to be able to look at it logically and objectively. And you were also floating around the idea of offering a large severance to the people that you're going to have removed. Yeah. Like a couple of years or something like that. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. I mean, I'm just, these are, again, just ideas, but I mean, the point is not that people suffer economic hardship.

2:20:40The point is just that they're better. They're more productive things they can do in the economy. And it's better if they did these other more productive things. And we didn't have this vast pedal bureaucracy. So like, so I was like, oh, you know, maybe like a couple of years of pay would be good. And then they could take a vacation. They could take another job and get double pay. I mean, it's like, it's not going to send credit to an economic crisis. I think it's actually going to be really good, I think, because we can be, you know, people can move to where they're making products and services that are more useful to their fellow human beings.

2:21:16The problem is if someone has like a 25, 30 year career of being institutionalized, you're essentially like a part of the government system. You've sort of programmed your life and your career to be a part of this bureaucratic system. And then you're like, nope, you have to go out and compete in the free market. You're like, oh, that's that's scary to people. But you have to be valuable. You have to actually be valuable. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, let's look at like, you know, wherever the government pension is stuff, they're not going to be, you know, and tough. I think they'll be good financial shape.

2:21:53How are you going to have the time to oversee all this shit? Well, I'm pretty good at improving efficiency. I mean, that would say so. Yeah. But still, this seems like a giant undertaking. Yeah. I'll probably need to be of obscurity. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. But like I said, like no one's going to experience like, I think economic hardship that's, you know, they'll be fine. You know, they'll, people do find other roles. I mean, you can look at sort of, you know, like when East Germany and West Germany got back together, you know, everyone was basically working for the government in East Germany.

2:22:35And it was really inefficient. And that like their economic output was like in East Germany, it was like a quarter of what it was in West Germany, because everyone was working for the government. Right. The government's like fundamentally inefficient. So the best examples are probably North and South Korea, right? Yeah. I mean, the people are starving in North Korea and South Korea is incredibly prosperous. Yeah. And it's the same people, just different operating system. Right. So, you know, it's just like, you just want to move people from, you know, less productive things to more productive things.

2:23:09Because you can also say like in the limit, like let's just say, let's consider the other direction, where we moved a whole bunch of people that were in the private sector doing making goods and services and we moved them into the government as regulators. Now they stop making those goods and services. So the stuff they were making is not all unavailable. Now they're just being regulators. Like is that a good thing? That's not a good thing. Doesn't sound good. No, it's not good. Doesn't sound like there's a real market for it. Like you're creating jobs that don't necessarily need to be there. They're all these fake jobs.

2:23:41Basically. And that doesn't make sense. So we've got to do this. Because the country's going bankrupt. Like we don't take action. The dollar's going to be worth nothing. And the interest payments, which are already 23 % of all government income, income taxes, tariffs and everything, is just going to pay interest right now. And that number is continually rising. So if we don't do something, the entire government budget will be paying interest. There won't be money for anything. No, there won't be money for social security or money for Medicare or nothing. That's what we're headed. That's what bankruptcy means.

2:24:20Yeah, that's such an insane concept. Yes. Um. That's like, hello, wake up. Wake up. And if somebody can tell me, can show me like pants out the math, show me how this works, I'd love to hear it. But I'm just like, listen, I'm looking at the numbers here and I'm like, we're going to do something. America's toast. There won't be money for anything. What they want. Trump likes to talk a lot about a lot is tariffs. Yeah. What do you think about tariffs? I know that's very controversial to even people, economists, they disagree, some agree, something that's a good idea, something that's a terrible idea.

2:24:53What do you think? I think you need to be careful with tariffs. Like the, I mean, I deal a lot with like supply chain issues, you know, like the global automotive supply chain for Tesla, for example, is incredibly complex. So when there are sudden changes in tariffs, then you're like, well, we've got a factory, like somewhere else that's making a part that goes into the car. Now suddenly, if that part suddenly twists, it's expensive. It like messes everything up, you know. So you want to be, have tariffs be predictable? So companies can adjust their supply chain. I mean, I think companies are more than happy to increase manufacturing in America.

2:25:36It's just that you can't do it instantly. So if you put up giant tariffs immediately and don't give companies a chance to build factories in America, because you have to move atoms. Like you've got a bull day building. You've got to install equipment. You've got to train people. Like that doesn't happen instantly. So you just got, you want to have a tariffs, you want to have a ramp so that companies can adjust, and build the factories and train the people and get the equipment in place. Otherwise, you basically just shock the system and it breaks. Or bad things happen. So I'm against sudden giant tariffs, because it's an impossible response.

2:26:25If you've got to move a thousand tons of equipment, you know. In some cases, collectively, millions of tons of equipment. You just can't do that overnight. It's literally impossible. So I think we want to be thoughtful about tariffs. And give companies a ramp. I do generally agree that America should do more manufacturing. I'm a big manufacturing guy. I love manufacturing. So I've spent a lot of time in the factory. We've talked openly about the difficulties of manufacturing and how complicated it is. And about most people aren't really aware of something that's as complex as, say, building a Tesla.

2:27:03Manufacturing is super hard and complicated. So, you know, a lot of people, they've never been in a factory. Or they don't know where, how difficult it is to make things. And for a lot of people, I think just catch up from the store. Like the store, like just has a, like for a lot of people who've been in academia. Or for all these socialist communist types. They've never actually made anything. So they're operating on the premise that there's this magical horn of plenty that just outputs goods and services. And if someone's got more goods and services than someone else's, because they took more from this magical horn of plenty.

2:27:39And unlike guys who's no magical horn of plenty, there's no cornucopia. It's actually goods and services come from people working collectively doing a lot of hard work to produce the goods and services that you like. And that you need. But we've become very accustomed to these things happening overseas. I mean, America's still the second biggest manufacturing in the world. So it's not not, we still make a lot of stuff. But we could make more. It probably should make more. I think we should value manufacturing a lot more in the United States than we currently do. Well, it would be very nice if we were completely self -sufficient.

2:28:15Like Madison, like there's a bunch of different things to get manufactured overseas that was a huge problem during COVID. Because all the shipping was shut down. Yeah, I mean, you don't want to say like, so there's a lot of merit to the economics of comparative advantage. Like, so if you're completely self -sufficient, what that means is that you make all the stuff yourself and even if some other country is really good at making something, you still make it yourself. And which means you're going to have the inferior more costly product domestically. Right. Like Soviet Russia. Yeah. Like trade improves prosperity.

2:28:55This is important. So you don't actually want to make everything yourself. And you can run this, like you can think of this thought experiment on a micro scale or small scale, and then expand that and say, where does the, at what point does the thought experiment no longer purge to be valid? Now, let's consider the case of yours as an individual. Imagine you had to do everything yourself. You had to farm. You had to grow chickens. You've got to do one eggs. You've got to build your own house. You've got to do your own electrical repair. You're on plumbing. Everything yourself. Everything. Now that would be impossible.

2:29:36Okay. Now let's expand it to, okay, you've got this 10 people. Now you're going to have some specialization of tasks. Okay, what may one person can be really good at construction, another person to be good at farming. And it's like, but it's still, you know, 10 people is not enough. Like, let's go to 100 people. Now let's go to 100 million people. Now let's go to a billion people. And you still get the economics of specialization, like specialization of labor, where people become expert at particular things. Still matters at a billion people, or at 8 billion people, which is earth. So you still want, you do want specialization of labor.

2:30:15You do want countries to be really good at particular thing and make that thing. Also it encourages innovation if you have competition. If the Germans are making better cars, we have to make better cars, right, to compete with them. Which is like one of the things that happened during the like the 80s and 90s in America is making crap cars. And Germany is making much better ones. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the Japanese car. I mean, yeah, I mean, basically American art car industry got really lazy in the 70s and 80s. And then the Japanese and German car companies came in and just cleaned the clock, you know.

2:30:49And there was like an old joke from that that is kind of telling. It's a very old joke where it's like, why did the Japanese car companies beat the American car companies? Well, it's like, well, in the Japanese car company, you had eight people rowing in one person's steering. And in the American car company, you had eight people steering in one person rowing. If this was a boat, so it measures a boat race. Yeah, boat race. Japanese boat. You got eight people rowing in one person's steering. In the American boat, you got one person rowing and eight people's steering. And when the American car company loses the race, they fire the roar.

2:31:30And it's like, okay, that was actually kind of true. Yeah, one of the things. I don't want to be the boss and I don't want to be the work type of thing. Yeah. One thing that a lot of people are concerned about is the potential disruption that's going to come about with automation and AI, that a lot of these jobs, manufacturing jobs, teamsters, all that stuff is going to be eliminated. What do you mean you're at the forefront of this? So how do you see this playing out and what do you think that can be done to mitigate a lot of the loss of purpose that a lot of people are going to feel. So loss of income, obviously universal basic income is being floated about, but that seems to me to only be part of the problem.

2:32:15Another big part of the problem is people losing a sense of purpose. Yeah, no, no, we're talking about something which is still pretty far in the future. How far do you think it is? Well, I mean, it's probably, I don't know, 15, 20 years of a thing. So we've got like immediate issues. We've got short -term issues that are one to three years. Medium -term issue is like five to 10 years, longer -term issues which are like maybe 20 years. Long -term, I think there is this question if you have AI and robotics, how do you find meaning in life? If the computer can do everything better than you can and the robot can do everything better than you can.

2:32:58But we're still, we've got a long way to go before that. And I do think it's like 80 % likely to be a good outcome, like maybe 90.

2:33:11I think everyone's going to have their own personal robot. And I think at a certain point, wouldn't you want to have your own personal C3PO R2D2? So it's going to be essentially just like everyone has their own phone. Yeah, everyone will have their own robot buddy. Like literally. Well, it'll be great if it protected you. Like if you walked down the street of New York City, you have a Terminator with you? I don't know about the Terminator. Hopefully, we've got to avoid, we don't want this to be the plot of James Cameron. More Gene Roddenberry than James Cameron movie situation. But it would be fascinating to watch some rich person walk down the street of New York City flanked by two giant Tesla robots.

2:33:52Jack Tesla robots? Like a robot conference, I think. Yeah. It's just fully robots. So many fully robot there to protect you from a bad neighborhood. Yeah. That would be very interesting. I mean, you could potentially see that. Yeah. Restaurants would probably have no robot rules. You can't bring a robot. Yeah, leave a robot. Yeah, leave a robot outside. Robot standing by the table. Yeah, the future is going to be wild. It's going to be wild. Yeah. It's going to be really unpredictable. Like, I don't think, I mean, you probably have a pretty good sense of it. But I think most people don't understand the wave that's coming.

2:34:32Yeah. And I was kind of completely drowned society and change it forever. Yeah. I mean, we have, like I said, it's not going to happen overnight. But it's 20 years from now. I'm like, I think, it's still like 20 years from now. I think there's going to be more humanoid robots than there are humans. Really? Yes. More humanized robots. Well, that's so crazy. So that's like more guns. We have more guns than people in America. We'll have more robots than people in America as well. Yes. You have a bunch of old robots. Nobody wants anymore. Yes. Early, early versions of something. In a historical timeline, 20 years in the past has not been that big of a deal.

2:35:20You know, I mean, this is a big deal. But you go from like 1900, 1920, not that big of a deal. 1920, 1940, kind of a big deal. 1940, 1960, things start getting weird. 60 to 80. Wow. That's a big difference. 80 to 2000, holy shit. Now you have the internet. 2000 to 2020. Whoa. This is nuts. You have propaganda, social media, YouTube streaming. 20 years from now. Like what are we even talking about? It's going to be that much of a shift. Like it's all accelerating. And we're in the middle of it. So it's very difficult to sort of like feel it while it's happening. Because it kind of just feels like life.

2:36:04And you just get adapted to the changes.

2:36:09Yeah. I mean, people's phones at this point are super computer in the pocket. Like an article. Like to answer any questions. People would take it for granted. Yeah. Just normal. Yeah. They get mad if it doesn't work. Yeah. It's like Louis CK's joke about using your phone, you're on a plane. Yeah, I fucking piece of shit. You're in the sky. You're floating in the air. And that will work with Starlink too. What's that? It will work with Starlink. The Starlink connection. It'll be like being on the ground. Well, I was telling you how you Starlink when I was in Utah. I was in the mountains of Utah.

2:36:40There was no cell phone service anywhere near. And we had full YouTube. We had text messages, face time, everything. Phone calls. It was nuts. Yeah. And it was, this big, that's a garbage. Yeah. It's crazy. It's so light when I brought it out there. Like, that's it or this is it. Let's plug it in. And the guys I was in camp with were like, this is crazy. Yeah. The whole camp was like sharing it. So like 10 people using the, the Wi -Fi signal. Right. Nuts. Yeah. And then, you know, that's the beginning. I mean, what you're at right now is like what version? This is Starlink Mini. Right? So this is like a very small version.

2:37:21How much smaller can it scale down from that? Well, there's an area that you need. Like the bigger the area, the more you can, like you're, like you're, like you're, like, kind of bandwidth. Yeah. Because you're like trying to catch these like photons essentially. So you can think of the, like the, you know, the area of the, of the, of the antenna is, like the more area you have, the more photons you can catch. So, but we have a direct to cell capability as well. That we're just, we've been launching that. We'll turn on, I don't know, probably in a few months. That, that'll actually connect directly to a cell phone unmodified.

2:38:02But because the cell phone is a much worse antenna than a dedicated antenna, it'll be about 100 times less bandwidth. But still, you know, you've been able to like do text messages, you know, pictures, like medium resolution videos, like anything. One of the cool things about the new phone, the new iPhone, the iPhone 16, I got it, and I was in the mountains last month, and I was text messaging with satellites. Yeah. Eye messages. Right. And receiving them. But just text. Yeah, just text. Yeah. But still pretty impressive. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what are we, what are we going to be looking at 100 years from now?

2:38:36I mean, when you, Or I heard you're from now, I hope, civilizations around. Yeah, that'll be it when. Yeah. Yeah. What are the chances that we fuck this whole thing up? 50%.

2:38:52It's hard to say. I mean, I guess, I don't think civilization will be totally destroyed unless there's like some really massive global thermonuclear war. But, I mean, Stephen Hawking, he would say that there was like a one, at least a 1 % chance of total annihilation every century. That was his rough estimate. But there's a much bigger chance of civilization being less capable than it is today. So you say, like, well, because you look at say, you know, these various civilizations throughout history, whether it's like ancient Samarians or the Egyptians, the Romans, like that, you know, there's like a life cycle to civilization.

2:39:42They reach the peak and then they start subsiding.

2:39:48So, I think a bigger question is like, well, our technology level will be better or worse than it is today in 100 years.

2:39:59I think it's probably going to be better.

2:40:04I think that any estimates are going to be so, there's so many dependencies, like an estimate I think is, I'm not sure it has any meaning, because there's so many things that can happen in 100 years. Well, the logical hope is always that people pay attention to history and they recognize the patterns and how civilizations have collapsed. And they recognize what's going wrong in the current society and say, we have to do our best to mitigate this. And we've seen this happen before. Let's course correct and let's sort of manage what we've got here now and maintain what we've got here now because it's pretty extraordinary.

2:40:42This is what we're hoping for with this election. This is what we're hoping for with the future as that people can see we are on a bad path and something can be done right now and it might be the only moment in history where this is possible because if they do lock the country down and make it so that voting is kind of bullshit and you're only voting for primaries and the people that they put in the primaries, they're controlling that in the first place, you don't really have democracy anymore. You don't really have choice. Exactly. You don't really have freedom. That's right. Yeah, I think freedom is fundamentally at stake in the election tomorrow and we'll know.

2:41:18I think we'll know by the end of the day tomorrow. I think it's going to take a still going to be like days after the election. They will know tomorrow. Are you optimistic? I'm currently optimistic but the biggest factor here is that men need to vote. That is the biggest issue. I don't know what the reason is but men just vote at a much lower rate than women. I think there's about 9 % right? Someone just told me that today. It's a big difference.

2:41:49I'm just saying there's a message to the men out there. Vote like a life depends on it because I think it does. Vote tomorrow like a life depends on it. Nothing is more important. I agree. Yeah. Listen man, thank you for being here. I know you're busy as fuck so I really appreciate your time. Again, I thank you so much for buying Twitter because I really do believe that you've changed the course of history. I really do think you've created a pathway where people can actually express themselves and actually exchange information that really didn't exist before and I think it was dangerous. It is dangerous.

2:42:25Hopefully I live long enough to see my kids grow up and people on Mars. That's the one I'm asking for here. I don't think that's too much that. Thank you very much. Appreciate you. Thank you. All right. Bye for now.

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