#2225 - Dave Smith

27:34But he's screaming at me, you know? But it is a thing where they're very thick skinned. They're not like fragile people. It's one of my favorite things. Puerto Ricans aren't the same way. Also look at Puerto Rico. Some of the best boxers of all time. Puerto Rico. It's one fucking island. You got Felix, Trinidad, Gomez, with Fredo Gomez. You got incredible fighters. Game out is one place. You have a fucking tough population, man. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there was a few people who were pissed off at that joke. But the reality is, there's one of the things that helped Tony is, that joke was based about Tony's concern for the environment.

28:07Tony is obsessed with recycling. He's like, you know, recycling is bullshit. You know what, all goes in a landfill? You tell me, I'm going to put it in the blue bin. It all goes in a landfill. So Tony was obsessed with the Pacific garbage patch. And then he got obsessed with Puerto Rico because they don't have any room. So their landfills are just overflowing with garbage. They literally have a giant garbage problem. So he came up with a joke based around that. I think it's called Puerto Rico. I was texting with him after it. And I thought it was so great. I mean, I thought even the bit that he did on Israel Palestine was so funny.

28:46He ripped both sides. And then he did, by the way, same with the Puerto Rico thing, there was an underlying really good point to it, which is always like the best comedy when you're just being funny, but at the same time, you're like, oh, and he did kind of nail that too. Where he was just like, why are we funding wars that have been going on forever? Like figure it out, guys. And then he just got a great rip on Muslims, a great rip on Jews. And so the way they picked out Puerto Ricans too. And then in the morning, there's no opening act. No one knows there's going to be comedy. Yeah, the most difficult setup.

29:17And there's no one on before him, other than a prayer. They do a prayer. They're seeing prayers and songs. And then the music stops. And Tony goes on flat to a bunch of people in the middle of the day. Well, the lights are on bright. It makes no sense. It's a worse setup of all time for comedy. I remember in real time when I was watching it, like being like, I was like, well, I mean, Tony's not going to be able to do Tony in this setup. So like, I wonder what he's going to do. And then like as it starts, you're like, Oh, he's just going to do Tony. Yeah. Oh, that's crazy. It's crazy. It's the nuttiest thing.

29:49Should have never done it. But the fact that he did it, whatever. It's like, listen, man, there's going to be some people that tried to capitalize on that. And that was a big thing. Like AOC really mobilized, which is funny because I'm almost certain that AOC's been to see Kill Tony. Really? Yes. Interesting. Yeah, almost certain. Almost certain. When he's been here at the mother, I don't think so here. But somewhere saw Kill Tony. Actually probably loves that. They're all so far away. I wonder who. It's called. All right. Let's get to the bottom of it. Wait, we have access. Call Tony Hinchcliffe.

30:32Hey, dude, you live, you live on the air right now with Dave Smith. I need to answer a question. I need a question answered. Did AOC ever come to see Kill Tony? She says that she did, but we're almost positive that she didn't. I never met her in any of the shows in LA. I mean, she could have conceivably have bought a ticket to Madison Square Garden, but she never posted about it. Well, she probably wouldn't post about it. It's too sketchy. You're, you're show sketchy. But so how do you know that she says that she was there? She tweeted that she's been to a tape. When all that stuff went down, she said that she's disappointed in me.

31:12And she's been to a tape. I can't remember the exact tweet right now, but it was the day of the day of the Madison Square Garden Trump thing. She posted, I'm really disappointed in Tony Hinchcliffe. I'm a fan of Keltone and been to a tape. Something like that. I don't want to misquote her like she would certainly do to me.

31:35She's been there and she was surprised. It makes no sense. Yeah, no, nothing. These people fucking say make any sense or out of their goddamn minds. And now their voices are quieted. Thank God. Tony, America's back, baby. America's back. Let's let's fucking go. Let's fucking go. I got to go, brother. I love you. Rock and roll. Bye -bye. This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery. Actually, I have some Buffalo Trace cigars here. They just sent me one of the world's most award -winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years, made as a tribute to the rugged free spirited pioneers who blaze their own trail to new frontiers.

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33:11Distilled, aged and bottled by Buffalo Trace Distillery, 90 proof, Franklin County, Kentucky, Buffalo Trace, American, family -owned, independent and perfectly untamed. Nobody who's ever been to Killtony would be disappointed. It did matter. It was a political tool. Of course. You have a wrench, here's a bolt, I need to use the wrench. That's what it was. So AOC was sending, telling people, send it out in all your group chats, let people know. They're not, but you cannot the most sensitive people. They're like resilient people. They're not going to get upset about a joke, but they're also going to understand it's just a fucking joke.

33:55And then when they know, then if someone does tell them, oh Puerto Rico really does have a giant garbage problem, it's a giant problem, overflowing lamp. You ever see it? Yeah. It's crazy. Look at the images. You're like, oh my god, you got to do something about this. You can't cover your island in garbage. This is nuts. Yeah, it's, look, it's, I just, like I was saying before though, man, I just, I do like, I feel like if you zoom out, like if you look at it closely, you would be like, like he said with the, oh yeah. Yeah, she's been to, she's been to shows. Yeah. Wow. Before people try to act like there's some PC overly sensitive nonsense, which is what it is.

34:34I've been to Kill Tony shows. I'm from the Bronx. I don't give a shit about crewdumer. Then what are you doing? Well, don't pretend. You're support for Trump as a joke. Own it. You're doing a set to support him. That's a choice. Listen, you guys have a real problem with someone disagreeing with you. And you, you want to in any way shape or form that's possible, turn that person into a demon. You never want to have someone who has an opposing perspective that should be considered or maybe countered with better information, which is what we're all supposed to be doing. Yeah. Ideally with people of good character and who go into arguments with good faith, you should be able to respectfully disagree and have conversations with things.

35:15This is like everybody who thinks one way is bad. Everybody who thinks this way is good. We'll do whatever we can to destroy the people that are that way. Obama. There was a guy. There was a guy with the Trump rally that said the Puerto Rico is a pilot garbage. Those are human beings. Like, was that, hey, was that guy maybe telling a joke? Yeah. What do you think? You know what jokes are your my age? You know what jokes are? What are we doing? Come on. Come on, bro. What are we doing? We all grew up in the America of Howard Stern and the Simpsons and all this stuff. It's not like jokes are foreign to any of us.

35:50Yeah, we all forgot about Superbad. Yeah, like we forget about Tropic Thunder. Do we forget how those things work? And to, and our point is so stupid. I mean, she's like, hey, you're a Trump supporter, own it. It's like, yeah, he's speaking at a Trump event at Madison Square Garden. There's nothing to do with that joke. But I'm saying just the fact that he's there clearly already says, yeah, I'm supporting this guy. And then he's a comedian. So he's like, I'm going to do what I do here with it. You know, and if you want, if AOC wanted to come out and say something like, she'd go, it was, and I'm actually a fan of Tony.

36:23I really like the show Kill Tony. That's what I fucked up. She goes, I don't think it's appropriate. Add a political event. And she'd be an insult comic. That'd be a reasonable thing to say. Okay, fine. But that's not what she's saying. And again, it's like, you know, look, if you, to the point you were making before, right, about the, the Russia collusion hoax and no one getting in trouble for it, if you were to look at, say, the weapons of mass destruction lie that got us into war in Iraq, killed a million people, cost trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of our bravest young men blowing their brains out, you know, just a unmitigated disaster.

37:07And none of the people who sold that lost their jobs or are, you know, they're not like, I don't know what they should be doing. Maybe like picking up garbage by the side of the road, apologizing to every car that passes that. Well, let's pause for a second and compare. There's people that said that there was weapons of mass destruction. They willfully created this story. It's a fake story. 100%. No one got in trouble. Trump paid off some lady, so as he fucked her and made a book, kicked me air. So he got hit with 34 felons. Now, if you want to just be that person, it says he's a convicted felon and just repeated over and over again.

37:44Understand that now you're changing what the law means because you don't like a guy. And that can be used on you. This is what happens in dictatorships. This is what happens when communism takes over a country and you get a military dictator ship. They just throw the laws at you. And they're doing it right in front of your face and you're okay repeating it. He's a convicted felon. He's a convicted felon. He's a convicted felon for 34 misdemeanors, which are all the same thing. Which weren't really felonies. Which weren't felonies and were past the statute of limitation. So how much do you hate freedom?

38:22Yeah, it's not. Listen, none of the Trump legal charges were in example where, look, the former president of the United States of America clearly broke the law. And we don't want to politicize, you know, the legal system here, but it's so obviously broke the law that we have to prosecute him. It was, we're coming up with a novel legal theory that we've never prosecuted anyone under before. And if you interpret it this way, then we could interpret this misdemeanor that's passed the statute of limitations as a felony that is so now, what is this not freak out liberals who are obsessed with criminal reform?

39:01Because they've never, because that's not there. You're on the issue. Just think about how many it is. It is. One of the best things that I do on the show is when I have Josh Dubin on who used to work with the innocence project. No, does things on his own where they're trying to find people that have been unfairly prosecuted by bad judges and by bad prosecutors and get him out of fucking jail. Oh, can I just say real quick, dude, because if I don't, I want to make sure I say this well, we're here. But to president elect Donald Trump, dude, he came to the Libertarian Party convention this year and he promised us, and a whole bunch of people myself included, like, supported him for this.

39:38And he did carry, I think, the Libertarian vote. He promised us he was going to free Ross Ulbrich on day one. And like, if you're listening, Mr. President, if this gets to you, please, please come through on that promise, man. This kid has done over a decade in jail already. He was guilty of creating a website. You know, it was like a dark web type thing. And I guess some people sold drugs on it and stuff. But he's done 10 years, over 10 years. Yeah, have you ever seen the documentary on that? Yeah, it's interesting. I'm friends, I know his mom. It seems like he was railroaded. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, it seems like they came up with some sort of a phony murder for higher charge.

40:18Well, they, so they accused him of that, but then they withdrew that charge. He was never convicted of that. Right. He got life without parole for making a website. And I've just, I've gotten to know his mother, Len, over the years, and she's like the sweetest lady. And she's just in the middle of this nightmare. Like, her whole life has been a nightmare for the last 11 years or whatever it's been. And just, I really just, please come through on that one. There's no political capital even to be spent on it. It's one of the best things he did when he was president last year. It was last time was, you know, freeing people who were just in jail on BS and way over prosecuted.

40:52And he said he was going to do it on day one. And I'm just saying we, a lot of people supported him for that. I really hope he comes through. That would be amazing. Well, we're going to know a lot about what he's going to do, whether he comes through or not. Yeah. That'll tell us a lot. If he comes through, I think a lot of people will be able to hear, I mean, wouldn't you love to see him on a podcast? Wouldn't you love to talk to him on a podcast? I love to. Yeah. And ask him questions about what actually happened. Yeah. Well, look, now that we know what we know now, like the FBI did this whole internal thing with him and they, they used people and agents to trap them.

41:25But now what we know about what they did with the kidnapping case or Gretsch and Whitmer, we didn't know that before. We didn't know that you could have a kidnapping case with just 14 people and 12 of them are FBI informants. So you got 12 people working with the FBI to retards. And you convince these dumbasses that they should go and kidnap the fucking governor. And they're like cause plan. These guys are idiots. They might have been playing fucking game of dungeons and dragons in the woods. They're idiots. Well, there's an old saying. They're going with people. There's an old saying it goes something like the FBI always gets their man because it's always their man.

42:02Yeah. It's like, there's been, there's been dozens and dozens of these FBI, what they call staying operations, which are really entrapment since 9 -11, where they get, oh, we thwarted another terrorist attack. So they didn't thwart a terrorist attack. They planned a terrorist attack and then thwarted it. Like it was never going to happen. By the way, we'll note on that every single time I was finding this fascinating. Every time the FBI wants to do one of these terrorist entrapment things, which again, they've done dozens and dozens of since 9 -11, every time when they approach, like young Muslim guys who are like on radical websites or something like that, every time they never go up there and they say, hey, how do you feel about America being free and prosperous?

42:45Or how do you feel about the fact that we don't have Sharia law here? Anything they never do. They always go, how do you feel about American foreign policy? Look at all these innocent Muslims that were killing over there in that part of the world. Doesn't that make you angry? Doesn't that make you want to do something about it? You see, like when the FBI wants to do entrapment, all of a sudden they know what motivates terrorism. They're not like, oh, you hate those for our freedom or the dumb shit that they say to the American public. They know exactly how to entrap these people. They go, how do you feel that all these Palestinian babies get killed right now?

43:14You know that's America's money and weapons that are doing it? And that's how they get them. But it's all, you were looking at the first World Trade Center attack. Was all just the FBI screwed it up. They were following it the whole time. Then they screwed it up and they almost took down the towers. And if we got to hear an old Brook story, it better be wildly different than the narrative that we heard in the courtroom or it was in the documentary. I bet it's wildly different. I wouldn't be surprised if he got railroaded. Just we know too much now. We know about that case. There's multiple different cases.

43:48There's the Dallas case where they got that kid to blow up a building. They gave him a fake bomb and a cell phone and he activated. They radicalized that kid. He was just a dumb, low IQ kid. That's 19 fucking gullible. They talked him into joining and here's what we're going to do. And then they say they're preventing crime. Like you're actually making it. You're making it and then stopping it. And that's fucking wrong. You're cheating. You're rigging the pinball game, man. You're fucking this. And we know that now. So it would be really interesting to his story. Yeah, 10 years is fucking plenty.

44:21Too much. Way too much. You know, you can never give that back to him. But just let him go free. And it's also just such a situation where you just, you know, and obviously, I know his mother. So I'm like, I'm kind of personally invested in him. But it's like, this kid is no threat. Is that nobody thinks like, oh, if we let him out, you know, he's some type of violent criminal who might do another violent thing or something like that. Like that's just not going to happen. You could just end the nightmare that this sweet woman is going through and him, of course, too. Okay. So we both agree on this.

44:53But let me ask you, okay, what about Snowden? Do you think he has the balls to pardon Snowden? Well, okay. So the thing about Snowden, right, is that and now the Julian Assange cases kind of been taken off the table, even though I guess technically he could still pardon him. But that takes real political capital. Now, I think he should pardon Snowden. Household. But, well, I'm just saying that like Snowden pissed off a lot of very powerful people. The NSA are furious about him. The CIA, they don't like him. And they do not want to set the president that you can release the fact that we're doing a bunch of illegal shit that we are lying to the American people about.

45:28And then you can go tell them that we are in fact doing the thing that we lied and said we weren't doing. They don't like that. There's going to be powerful forces that I'll oppose you. Russell Brick doesn't, it's not like that. No, no, no, no, no, no. I can't believe that. Now, if you, if he were to pardon Snowden, that would be a real signal that he is willing to take on the deep state. He's willing to take on the real powerful and trench interest. Now, again, I'm not claiming to, it's obviously the right thing to do, morally speaking. But I'm, you got to have a really smart strategy if you're actually going to do this.

46:02You know, I remember one time during the Ron Paul presidential campaign, I think it was in 2012. And someone asked him, you know, like a question about like, when you're in there and you're president, are you going to tell the CIA like, hey, you, you guys are done and you're this and you're this and he went, well, I might say it a little bit nicer than that. You're like, listen, I am trying to abolish the CIA. But let's be cool here. Well, let's just face, let's look at this for what it is. So if Edward Snowden, if he really did expose things that were illegal, that were not supposed to be done.

46:36And the fear of bringing him back is that the people that did the illegal things want to continue doing illegal things and don't want to have any repercussions for doing illegal things. That seems like a crazy thing to support, even for them to defend it. Sounds insane. They should want internal accountability. They should want to make sure that no one colors outside the lines. No one does anything without congressional approval. All the stuff you're supposed to do when you're doing certain things. But the problem is now with the FDA and Pfizer and all these different laws that have been passed that allow surveillance to be done warrantless.

47:12Like it's kind of a moot point almost at this point. Like the things that you would like back then, he exposed that they could listen to every calls, the data centers. But we all know that now. Like it's everything's still functioning, but we all know that now. The guy that exposed all that, leave him alone. You guys were doing illegal shit and now it's kind of legal and we still should be outraged. But now you can kind of just do it. Yeah. Well, and also, and one of the things that was so disappointing about Trump not pardoning Julian Assange and Snowden in his first term. And again, a lot of that is because it's like when he told you, when he released the JFK files, well, because he was listening to Liz Cheney's pick for defense secretary, like Pompeo.

48:00And he was saying people convinced him not to do it. But it's like at a certain point, you're like, okay, first of all, the spine that Snowden exposed was weaponized against you. Right. You're like, they spied on you. So you kind of, I would think you have some like stake in being like, yeah, that should be exposed and should be abolished. But don't you think he didn't pardon him because he wanted a second term and he wanted to like, I think that was fun. Things run as smoothly as possibly and should the thing is he also, they're making deals here. Yes, but he also had a lame duck period. I mean, he had a period where he knew he wasn't going to have a second term and still had the power, but he was worried about the impeachment.

48:39And he wanted to run again. Yes. He always wanted to run again. He was going to run again. I think so. Yes. Yes. So there's a fair point to that. Maybe now Donald Trump gets in and I do think this is what the corporate media and all of them are really terrified about is that now he gets in and he doesn't need to win another election. I mean, he'd like to win a midterm election and keep the, I mean, he's got the Senate now. We'll see the House hasn't been determined yet, but he'd like to keep, you know, congressional control within the Republican Party, but he doesn't need to worry about a, a reelection.

49:08Now if he really wanted to do the, be the drain the swamp guy, he's got an opportunity now where I just a lot of things have, have aligned where it's like, I think he could really get it done and I think he could get away with that. I think that he's kind of, he's taken all their bullets both literally and metaphorically. You know, he's, he's been impeached. He's been convicted of felonies. He's been shot at. He's been like all the things have already happened. He's been demonized in a way that no public figure has been demonized in any of our lifetimes. And he survived over and more pop. Yes, he's stronger.

49:48He's stronger than he's ever been. What do you think about that thing I sent you today that compares the number of people that voted in 2020 versus number of people that voted in 2024 and in 2016? Sure does look strange. And in 2012, could, if you seen it, Jamie, it's crazy. I would say, I could send it to you if you want to see the exact chart. That is a fair point. There are still votes out there. I'd like to take a look at that again. After 100 % of everybody has been reported, but it does certainly seem weird. Let's not get technical and let's just enjoy it. I'm going to send you this, Jay, because it's so bizarre that I can't, I can't really believe it's real.

50:28When did I send it to you earlier today? Hang on a second. I'll find it. It's so crazy. You look at it and you go, there's, is this real? Oh, here it is. Because it doesn't seem to make any sense because this is like one of the most consequential elections ever. I think everybody's pretty aware of that. And everybody is very dug in on their side. The left, he's Hitler, the right, he's saving us. And so more people voted, at least, at least the indication would be as much people voted in 2020, if not more, probably more people voted. But let's look at the numbers. Like look at the difference in how many people voted for Biden in 2020.

51:10It's unprecedented. It's way higher than any other time since 2012. And I'm sure probably before that there was less people back then, right? So if you go back to when I was a kid, there was only like 200 million people in this country. Yeah. And to be clear, 2012 and 2016 were not low turnout. No, no. They're all consistent. This is what's crazy. They're consistent. Look, they're all like 60. Look at where the number is. It's all like 65 million. Is that what it says? So that's all the same. Every fucking time except 2020 in 2020, it goes way the fuck up. Look at it. It's like 80 what? Is it 82?

51:50Is that what it was? It's like 81 and change. 81. So it goes up a fucking sizable chunk and only once. And it does seem like even with getting all the other votes and you're not going to get to that. But it's also like, look how many votes Trump got. He got even more in 2020 that he did in 2024. Like what the hell is that about? Is that because they haven't counted all the votes yet when they made this or is that the reality of the numbers? Because that doesn't make sense either. Yeah. And, you know, I just say, you know how in like the corporate media world, it's like this is the biggest crime ever to even ask this question.

52:31But you kind of can't blame us for asking it when everything you say is a lie. The ballots that came in the middle of the night are weird. And the fact that you had mail -in ballots, that's weird because the thing about mail -in ballots is different than anything else. It's not a chain of custody. All right. There's a guy who drops it off and then the postman gets it. Who knows what the fuck that guy does. They used to be going postal. Postman used to be scary because they should remember. Yeah. I don't know how they fixed that. But they did stop. Yeah, there was a time. They were like fucking separating things by zip codes and like enough.

53:02And they were just killing everybody in their office. If you remember the old sign felled bit on the show. No. He has newman's a postman and he's like, why do you guys always like go crazy and just kill people? And he's like, because the mail never stops. It's so funny. It's just like he's coming. Yeah, that was always my suspicion. It's just like a mundane job that's like and you're working with these people you don't like. And then one day like, I'm going to fucking kill everybody. But there's a bunch of those guys who it became a term. There was a video game called postal in the video game.

53:33We just ran around shooting people. Yeah, it was a crazy game. Yeah, that was a better time. It was, but this was like the 90s that all this was going on and something happened and they stopped fixing. So my point is, who knows what that post guy's doing? Like you could just throw some stuff in the garbage. If you know you're in a Republican county, throw some stuff in the garbage. If somebody, if you're a cab driver from some other country and you're over in America and someone says, I'm going to give you a bag of ballots. I'm going to put them in your trunk and you're going to go take them to this place.

54:05You're like, okay. You're going to give me $500. Okay, I'll drop off these ballots. Like when you're doing low level scams in small counties where you have corrupt people that are working the voting machines, how many Republicans are paying attention? How many Democrats are paying attention to the corrupt Republicans? There's always been election fraud. To pretend that we lie about the very fine people, you said they were very fine people on both sides. Obama's lying about that in front of the whole world. They lie about everything. You don't think they would cheat. Well, that's right. Exactly.

54:40If every word that comes out of your mouth is a lie, that you can't tell me that I'm not allowed to suspect. And also, you know, if it's like, if what Rachel Maddow says is real, right? Like if you're telling me your world view is essentially that Adolf Hitler is running for president, it looks like it's a coin flip if he's going to win. That's what they were telling us that it was 50 -50, turns out it wasn't. But Adolf Hitler's running, this is the end of democracy. It's on the ballot. We'll never have elections again if this guy wins. So if that's true, then why wouldn't somebody who's got a bunch of ballots for him cheat?

55:15I would do that. If Adolf Hitler was about to win, I'd cheat to make sure he would. And if Adolf Hitler's about to win, you should do anything you can. So you're going to tell me on one hand, Adolf Hitler's about to take over America. And on the other hand, but no one would ever cheat. No one would ever take the rules to stop Hitler. But the conversation that people, the dumb American pop conversation is, would you murder a baby if that baby was Adolf Hitler? You know what I mean? Like that's the pop question that people ask about Adolf Hitler. And I think the implied correct answer is yes. You're supposed to say I would murder baby Hitler.

55:50I'd wait until he's 17. Yeah, probably feel a little bit better about yourself. Yeah, by the time you 17, I'd know he's a piece of shit. And you could run a real good experiment on like, Nurchiverse nature, like, raise him, love, and be nice. Give him some mushrooms. Yeah, you got to fix that little fucker. But anyway, so, but you're saying someone wouldn't, it's also, it's like, it's not even just that they're liars who are in the business of propaganda. It's that it's incoherent propaganda. Your propaganda doesn't even make sense. Like if propaganda point A is true, then propaganda point B is impossible to be true.

56:23And one of the things that I'm so happy that Trump won about, you know, is she just needed to lose. Like this, there's a certain line of that they crossed that you're like, we need to be in a country where that doesn't work. Like that can't work. But here's just two false. Here's one of the most important precedents. You can't have someone that's running that didn't go through a primary. Yeah. You have to at least go through and respect the process of allowing us to pick who our representative is. No one would have picked her. She didn't, when she was trying to run for president, Tulsi Gabbard nuked her out of orbit.

56:57And that was it for her. She dropped off a cliff and that was done. And that's how it should have been. Yeah. Biden picked her as his vice president. Get away from that. You should always have a primary. Like if you really believe in the democratic process and if you really believe in the Democratic party, you should want the best representative of your party as voted for by the population. 100%. And then you can't have someone bypass that because then you have a complete puppet. 100%. And then in addition to that, you're thinking about who crazy this is. You're going to bypass the democratic process and then you're running on democracy as on the ballot.

57:35Right. I mean, this is just too much. Amazing. It's too much. You want to like punch yourself in the face. Like you can't do that to me. You can't say that. Well, they've been so used to doing it before. They had full, complete control of the narrative because they own the media. And they own the media for so long. They had the run of the roost for so long that they got cocky. And they didn't pay attention to the game as it was evolving. They're like a UFC one fighter that takes time out of the gym and steps into 2024 and tries to compete against guys of today. Like you missed the game. The game is way past where you were.

58:12And you guys are still doing goofy shit like taking people out of context and not knowing that people are going to make YouTube clips showing what he actually said versus you. And it's going to undermine your credibility even more. I am, I just, Obama was my favorite president. He's the best spokesman other than Clinton of all time. Now I think he's a liar. I look at that thing of him saying he said there's very fine people on both sides. That's not what he said. He said I'm not talking about the KKK and white supremacists. They should be condemned. It was so clear. So clearly and what he was saying was that there were very fine people on both sides of the arguments about tearing statues down.

58:52Like he was saying, look, it's reasonable that there are some people who are like, no, this is our history. We want to keep it up. And then there's other people who are like this represent slavery or something like that. We want to take it down. And then, first of all, it was clear when he said it. That's what he meant. And then they ask him a follow -up question. Are you saying the white supremacists are very fine people? Because no, how many times do I need to say that? No, I am not saying that any of the white supremacists. And like that's not enough. And then there was a sneaky thing that they used to do.

59:19They would ask him, will you disavow white supremacy? Will you disavow white supremacy? Like what do you talk? First of all, that's like saying to someone, like, will you do anything, any crime that you would never do? Like, will you disavow murder? Like, of course I'll disavow murder. Oh, well, also, you're implicated at something we have to disavow murder. Like, you're connected somehow and know that I'm murder now. Dave Smith, under any circumstances, do you disavow murder? He's like, I'm not murdering anybody. What the fuck are you saying? And so after he had done it, like, maybe a hundred times, when his graduation, they'd go, now you still haven't disavowed white supremacists.

59:55And he'd be like, no, I have. Over and over again. But to your point, which I think is a really good one. And I think I love the analogy for people who are MMA fans. It really is like a, it's like someone coming into MMA in 2024 and being like, I'm a Jiu -Jitsu specialist. I've never trained wrestling or striking. Exactly. And you're like, okay, that's not going to work anymore. Like, I know that worked in 1993, but like, that's not going to work. It's, they have not adapted to the new world that we're living in now. And you saw, there was a lot of evidence of this. Like, these things that used to work now come with a heavy price.

1:00:33So one of the things that politicians used to do in general was that they would give, they would give the same stump speech everywhere they go. Message discipline is what it's called and you always stay on message. And this is the idea is that you're never going to get your message out there. Unless you say the same thing over and over again to everyone. But now we have the internet. And you have these compilations of Kamala Harris saying she's in a, from a middle class family, like 75 times in a row. And you just look like a psychopath. You're like, oh, what are you, so now there's like a cost to playing the game in the old way, but they don't adjust.

1:01:10And Trump, whether even intentionally or not, was always just kind of like, oh, well, I just speak off the cuff. So I don't do that. You know, like, I mean, he's got themes that he hits a lot, like all of us kind of do. But he doesn't do that. And he did, and Donald Trump, one of the brilliant things, and man, I mean, I can't believe I haven't just asked you this already about this. But one of the really brilliant things that Donald Trump did, which obviously, look, RFK did it. And Vivek Ramaswami, I think both, like, they recognize, like, we're in a new landscape here. And there are these shows on the internet that have much bigger audiences than these traditional shows.

1:01:46Oh, and by the way, I get to go long and I can really give an in -depth, you know, like, point on every single topic. And, dude, I mean, Trump coming on here and her refusing to, this is, I mean, dude, you kind of put Donald Trump in the white now, this is amazing. Shuttle down. People who listen. Everyone's thinking it. Well, for sure him getting to be himself and just have a conversation with someone who's not being hostile. Yeah. And I did ask him questions that I wanted answers to, like, this proof that he lost in 2020. He did not provide me with that. And I've said, and we talked about it in depth yesterday, that if I was accused of election denying, which election denial, it's like, there's Holocaust deniers number one, and then there's maybe vaccine denier and election denier, election deniers probably a little higher than vaccine denier.

1:02:45You could be a cook and a vaccine denier, but still believe that Donald Trump lost the election. But election denier, you're cast out of the kingdom. There's a couple other ones that go underneath that, but those are the big ones. Those are the big ones. And you get put into a box, like, instantaneously. If I was put in that box, I would have responses to every question. I would say, well, in Georgia, there was blah, blah, blah, blah, ballots that were blah, blah, blah, this was just been these people were dead. These people, they should have never been voting in the first place. They were not United States citizens.

1:03:12I would have all the information ready to fire. And he didn't. He was like, there's books. I tell you, I have the suspicion that he's, he's way busier than me. And I can barely pay attention to things. Yeah. Sometimes I agree to do things. My wife tells me we were going to do something. What are we talking about? She was, you said, yes, do it. Yes, I did win. You were making coffee. I wasn't paying attention. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Where are we going? You know, but that's just normal life stuff, right? This guy is literally running for a fucking president. He's got what?

1:03:43All these golf courses everywhere and businesses everywhere and Mar -a -Lago and fucking family. There's millions of things. So probably they told him the election was stolen. He told me, find the results, find it. Let's get it overturned. These fucking criminals, I don't know how much you really looked into it. I don't know. I don't know how much he studied it. Because he didn't really have an answer for it. I would want you to regurgitate it fact by fact. And I think Vivek could do that. If you ask Vivek a question about that, if he has JD Vance, question about that, I bet if they were accused, they would be able to rattle off all those numbers since statistics.

1:04:19I think that Vivek probably wouldn't make the claim exactly in the same way that Donald Trump does. No, I'm saying if he was accused. Yeah, if he was accused. Well, yeah, no, Vivek isn't going to say anything without having like a detailed answer to it. That's not Trump. That's not just JD. Yes, listen, Trump is different than Vivek and JD. He's a different type of animal. There was so much evidence. Well, the thing is, one of the things that was really interesting and that was one of the most interesting moments of your show with him was that you weren't asking at the way CNN would ask it. You weren't badgering him.

1:04:53And like, like you were after having a very honest, good faith conversation for a while, you were asking in good faith like what's the evidence. Yeah, look, I think the truth is that his lawyers made a lot of outlandish claims, none of which they could prove in court, essentially what he has in terms of the argument. I think it's kind of what we have, what we just looked at. We're like, sure does look strange. Sure does seem weird to me that 80 million plus people voted for Joe Biden and the regime was so working against him in every other way. Like, Glenn Greenwald, who's, I think just one of the absolute like most brilliant people out there.

1:05:32I think work is incredible. I love that guy. I love the way he put it. I thought it was perfect where he goes, he's like, like I don't really have any evidence that they stole the election from him, but they clearly rigged the thing against him. And then just kind of goes through like all the censorship, the Hunter Biden story, the media. And so in that environment, it's very easy. You know, the analogy that I use, I think I may have said this before to you, but it's almost like if there's a guy who's like cheating on his wife all the time, and then one day, she's like, last Friday, you didn't answer your phone when you were out, I know you were cheating on me.

1:06:08And she's wrong, he wasn't cheating that Friday. Like she's kind of right even though she's wrong. You know what I mean? Like she might get the detail wrong, but her overall suspicion is in fact correct. I think there was a lot of that with Trump supporters, which is like, listen man, you framed him for treason for three years of his presidency. Then you shut down the economy, and that was totally partially at least to ruin his economy for his reelection year. Then you were totally supporting the riots that were destroying. You know, like you were just causing chaos. Then you overhauled the way we do votes, and you killed his big October surprise story by censoring it off all the social media sites.

1:06:45You, and now you're telling me the most unimpressive senator in the history of America, Joe Biden got 80 plus million votes. He got more votes than Obama in 2008, really. Like this just smell, but that is not something you can take to court. Right, that's not something you can say definitively as a fact and defame people and slander people. Right. And that's where Giuliani's fucked, right? Giuliani got hit with a huge lawsuit. How much was it? Like 150 million? I don't remember, it was a lot. But yeah, but also Rudy Giuliani is a lawyer, and he should know that like, you kind of can't say that unless you got something to really present.

1:07:25In the way you should say it is by presenting the evidence. You should even make claims. You should probably just present the evidence. Well, they were saying, I mean, Sydney Powell, I think that's her name, and Giuliani. 148 million dollar damages verdict ads to Rudy Giuliani's over his legalized about two Georgia election workers. So what did he say that these ladies did? So these are defamation suit? It must be. What did he say that they did? Defamation case brought by two former Georgia election workers, Marks a new low point for the man. Once loud it as America's mayor, whose advocacy of Donald Trump's false election claims led to criminal charges and hefty legal bills.

1:08:02What did he say that they did?

1:08:08What did he say? What did he say? Let's find out what his statements were. See if you can find it. Remember when Ron Paul destroyed Rudy Giuliani on the debate stage. So here it says Giuliani. So this is different, I think. Q is in participating in a wide range conspiracy to thwart the will of Georgia's voters who had selected Democrat Joe Biden over Republican incumbent. He faces 13 charges, including violation of Georgia's anti racketeering law. The federal version of which was one of his favorite tools is a prosecutor in the 1980s. That's crazy. Because he's the one who took out like the mob.

1:08:46Yep. Jesus Christ. So but let's find out what he said if we can. I'm interested. Isn't it annoying that they make it so hard to find like the actual thing? Yeah, lies he spread about them that upended their lives with racist threats. Well, what were the lies? What did he say? When it says upended their lives, click on that link. See what it says. Georgia election worker suing Rudy Giuliani tells jurors that his lies made her fear for her life. What the fuck did he say?

1:09:25Repeted false claims about her and her mother saying that they were engaged in changing votes. I personally cannot repair my reputation at the moment because your client is still lying on me and ruining my reputation further. She told Giuliani's lawyer. She sobbed. She testified that her life was turned upside down by the accusations. Though they were quickly debunked by state officials. Her attorneys displayed a few of the graphic messages accusing her of treason and more that she received after Giuliani in December of 2020 falsely accused workers at the state farm arena in Atlanta of tampering with ballots.

1:09:58Yeah, you got to have real evidence. If you want to say something like that. And again, Rudy Giuliani is a lawyer. Like he should know that, you know. California is only reported 54 % now. So that's somewhere in the range of nine million plus votes. But that's the biggest missing. Oh, so far still. How do they not count at all? Only 54 % of us is updated to. How do they, why are they so slow? They suck at everything over there now. 85 for Nevada, 73 or something for Washington and Oregon. Oregon's at 62%. So they still have a lot to go up there. I don't know if that's the case. So we'll see what these numbers look like.

1:10:34But at the end of the day, so there might still be more millions. So it might get close to the 80 million mark. I'll be interested to say because that, that, then that's a misleading chart. I didn't know that there were so many that hadn't turned in their votes yet. That doesn't surprise me about California. It gave your shit together. You fucking dorks. Yeah, they can't do anything. They're charging 14 % in state taxes. Then another 1 % if you live in Los Angeles, the city of Los Angeles, you'd hit with another 1%. Dude, that's like agent and manager fees. You know, you imagine like you make a good amount of money.

1:11:11Like, let's say you make $100 ,000 a year, you have to pay $140 ,000 to the government for what? For what? Then if you move a Tennessee, zero, move to Texas, zero. And they wonder why people are flooding out of their state by the hundreds of thousands. And you can't even count the votes in time. You fucking knuckleheads. Like what are you doing? Yeah, no, they can't do anything. It's such a goofy state just overburdened with regulations. You can't even have flavored vapes anymore. What little bellies hooked on the strawberry mist? You got to take it out of the store to protect my little belly.

1:11:51It's the strawberry that gets them. You can have flavored zins. Well, and isn't it so like the whole like war on tobacco? Which I guess vapes aren't tobacco. But the whole like, you know, like cracked out on smoking and everything that kind of happened in my lifetime is it's really, really wild when you take into account all the stuff that Bobby Kennedy talks about. Oh, yeah. But we're like, yeah, but we're like the most unhealthy country. And you took away like, yeah, a lot more people used to smoke cigarettes and cigarettes aren't good for you. Sure, but we were a healthier country when people were smoking cigarettes.

1:12:26I need regulation. My little belly and it's strawberry. Do you ever use zins occasionally? Now these are Lucy's. These are espresso flavor. This is contraband in California. Are these? These are. Wait, are these the Tucker Carlson ones? No, no, no, this is another company. Lucy's these are breakers. They have a little thing in there. You break it. It gives you flavor. It tastes like coffee. Go ahead, break it. Bite down. You want it? Oh, yeah, baby. Illegal in California. Right here. We're in Texas. This doesn't seem. This doesn't seem like it should be illegal. It's in freedom. In Texas. No, if you want flavor, you have to have that and a stick of gum.

1:13:05You live in California. You can get your cinnamon gum and you could chew your cinnamon gum with your fucking no flavors in and you could have a nice little experience. Almost like you have a cinnamon zin. But you're not allowed to have a cinnamon zin because you're too much of a fucking baby. You can't control yourself. Well, it's like, no gambling either. You fucking. Dude, I mean, you know, I'm on the road all the time. Yeah, right. I was and you go through out this whole country and it's like, yeah, people don't smoke anymore. That was effective. I mean, they not like the way they used to. You know, there's not people smoking cigarettes like that.

1:13:35But every single town I go to in this entire country has an R .B .s and a burger king and a KFC and like they have every single town. Even when they have nothing else, they have every single type of fast food. And you look around and like everybody's obese, everyone's unhealthy. I mean, when you rattle off, you know, when Bobby Kennedy gave that speech when he threw his support behind Donald Trump. I was watching that with my wife and my mother -in -law. They both like have tears in their eyes as he's just reading down the stats of how unhealthy we are as a country. It's just, you know, um, man, one thing, I'm really, really glad that that Bobby ran for president this year.

1:14:17And I'm really glad he ended up throwing a support behind Trump. And hopefully he gets a really important position in there. But the one thing that I almost felt like you couldn't argue with him that even if you don't blame the same culprits that he blames, which is what they love to, to say, it's like, how is everyone not talking about this? How is this not an issue that every single presidential candidate has to address? It's killing people. Yeah. It's killing kids. It's killing kids and it's making people way more vulnerable to a host of other diseases, including cancers. It's terrible for you.

1:14:51Cardiovascular, like the 77 % I think Bobby said 73 % of all American boys are not eligible for the military. So they are unfit to serve because they're either obese or they have a host of these metabolic conditions that have come about from poor diet. Yeah. And from poison, from eating poison. Essentially, you're eating your slow dosing your body with poison and sugar all day long. And that's most people. And we don't do anything about that. But then we try to regulate vapes. Yeah. Have you do know, uh, do you know Nicole Shanahan? Uh, yes. I have a metter in person, but I actually did a face time with her.

1:15:34And I think Willie D from the ghetto boys really. That's a nod pairing together. I think she's great. I had her on my podcast a couple times. And it's just as 77 % of young Americans between the age of 17 and 24, I'm not considered fit for military service. Unbelievable, dude. 11 health, well, mental health. And that's to set substance abuse, education, social and behavior factors, criminal records, um, US military facing recruitment crisis due to these challenges, as well as a lack of interest among young people. So it's only 11 % is like physically so unhealthy that they can't do it. That's obesity actually.

1:16:19So there's probably a bunch of other conditions other than obesity, right? Um, mental health issues. Um, I wonder it says significant factors. I wonder what none of that is. I bet drug and alcohol abuse is a big one. Yeah. That's a big one. Uh, it says 8 % for drug and alcohol abuse. So I wonder how much the mental health is. I bet that's a big one. Doesn't say does it? Let's find out because that seems like there's a lot of people out there with mental health conditions. Medical physical health. Drug and alcohol abuse 8 % medical physical health 7 % What does it say about mental though? Mental health and overweight conditions?

1:17:04Hmm. Oh, they have 4 % mental health, 7 % medical physical only 8 % drug abuse 11 % overweight. Wow. Did she, um, uh, look at this 44 % though more than one reason or condition. 44 almost half more than one of these problems that makes you ineligible. It's crazy. I was, uh, I can't remember what town I was in, but, uh, Nicole Shanahan who I think she's great. Um, and, uh, it was really, really interesting. I had her on my podcast twice, just really, really smart lady who's really, uh, knows a lot about this stuff. So she sent me this like video that she posted. Um, and so I'm in a hotel room and, uh, I was there with, uh, my, my buddy Rob Bernstein, who's a co -host of my podcast, part of the problem.

1:17:55Very, very funny comedian, very smart guy. Um, and so we're, I've literally, I was texting with him and we were like on our way to go to the show. So I was like, Hey, meet in the lobby in 10 minutes. Uh, and then I got a new book taking us to the comedy club. I can't remember where we were. And Nicole Shanahan sends me this video. Uh, it was like a video that she put out on Twitter. Uh, I didn't know what it was going to be. You know, she just sent me it and I just click on it and play it. And it was just about like what her family went through with their kids, you know, like, like illnesses and stuff.

1:18:25And it's like this, and it's the most touching video ever. And I'm literally sit down. It's so powerful that I sit down and I'm just watching this whole thing. I started crying watching it because I got kids with health issues really cuts close to the bone for me. Um, but as I'm sitting there just like, like literally sobbing watching this video is so emotional. And it literally just dawns on me in the middle of it that I'm supposed to meet my comedian friend in one minute in the lobby. To go to the show. And I'm sitting here like, what am I doing? I'm sitting in my hotel room crying about these kids.

1:18:56But anyway, the point of of it is is that like, Hey, look, I don't know enough about this stuff. You know, I know about stuff that I know about. I don't, I don't know enough about this. I really should educate myself more on it. But if your argument is that like, um, that Bobby and Nicole are blaming the wrong culprits, you know, it's not the vaccines and it's not the, the, the Wi -Fi and it's not the, like, okay, I don't know. But like, what is it then? And why are you not interested in this? Why are they the only ones who are talking about this? You're telling me we lead the world in chronic illness and that's not something that comes up in any presidential election ever other than when Bobby Kennedy runs for president.

1:19:34That's insane. You don't think the increase in the number of autism cases is an area we should discover. We should look into. We should investigate. You think that that's all been figured out. Like why are you so convinced? And explain. I'm sorry. I'm, I'm letting you know that I'm, I'm somewhat ignorant on this subject. So just like explain it to me like I'm really, really stupid talk slowly. Okay. I can understand where if you're talking about, um, very mild autism. Okay. Like what we used to call aspergers, uh, which I guess they don't call that anymore. But if you're talking about mild autism and you want to convince me that that went undiagnosed in the past, I can totally believe that there is no way that moderate or severe autism went undi.

1:20:21It may have not been correctly diagnosed, but you did not, not notice that. Like I'm sorry. It's not for Verizon numbers that it should be. There's no way. I'm saying there's no possible way that there isn't an increase going on here because obviously even even in the 1940s or in the 1950s, if someone was nonverbal, they would have noticed that. Yeah. They would have noticed that this, you know what I mean? Like there was a lot of kids like that in your school. You would know there's no way you would have called it something. Maybe you wouldn't have like understood it the way we understand it today.

1:20:54And, and thank God people do understand it better. And there's a lot more, um, there's a lot more tools that are provided. And there's a lot more awareness about it and and and special schools and things like that. But come on, like there's, you know, so much of this is, um, it's one of the, one of the things that exposes the how, how full a shit our whole system is, is when you just see that there's no even desire to get to the bottom of this. It's like the Trump assassination attempt. Not only that, no desire. There's no desire to get the bottom of it and it's about children. Yeah. Which is the most vulnerable people that we all should be protecting.

1:21:29But they're so entrenched in this ideology that you have to trust science. And if you're a vaccine denier or a bad person, like no one's a vaccine denier. What we're saying is there may be a correlation and there may be something that if investigated, it shows has been covered up. And there may be a situation where the vaccine companies have complete immunity to prosecution. Yeah. They can never be held liable, which was the only way that they could still manufacture these things because they said that they cannot be safe and effective. Yes, it cannot be safe for everybody. There's going to be side effects.

1:22:08That's exactly right. And they can't be liable for those side effects because then they would go under. This is like, this is what set this whole chain in motion where when I was a kid, you got three vaccines, now you have 72. Right. It's wild. And it reminds me kind of of you remember like when they were trying to push the COVID passports, the vaccine passports and the logic would just fall apart. And it's face like you're like, wait a minute, you're like, you're telling me the vaccine is 100 % effective. You're saying if you take the vaccine, you can't get COVID or spread COVID. And then you're also telling me that the people who are vaccinated in this restaurant need to be protected from the unvaccinated entering this restaurant.

1:22:42That doesn't make sense. I'm sorry. I'm not a genius, but I can figure out the logic in that does not. That is flawed. And in the same in the same sense, though, it's like, so what is the, if you're arguing that all these vaccines are safe and Bobby Kennedy's a cook, then why do they need the liability protection? Yes. Oh, absolutely. There was also another thing that they did it in making sense because it went against the science. And there was saying that if you don't get vaccinated, it's going to cause variance. And that's not what they say.

1:23:18They're arguing a pandemic with a non -sterilizing vaccine. So meaning if a vaccine, if you give it to someone and they could still transmit and they could still catch the disease, you're going to cause these variants. And there is a scientific paper that I posted like, de -early into the pandemic that said this and people got so upset at me. Tell me what this says. What this said, well, there's a virologist that would go on these podcasts that, you know, they'd have to be, they people, they're willing to step outside the line and say these things are saying this is not what you ever do during a pandemic.

1:23:52Because you're going to create variance and that's exactly what happened. And people start doctors started blaming the variance on the unvaccinated. But if you question those doctors, explain to me how that works. There's no fucking answer. It's just a narrative that they were having to vaccine good. Anything else bad? Ivermectin, you're crazy killing people, death, blood on your hands. It was all a siop and it was super effective and it was a way for them to make ungodly amounts of money. And that's what it was. And the quirk we accept that and realize that we're vulnerable to that kind of shit.

1:24:26If we still keep following along the same kind of lines that we're on today, as soon as we realize that, the better off we all are, all of us. Yeah. And I think I think I got here in a kind of similar way to you, which is I think a story for like millions of Americans, is that I never even thought about this issue. I never dove into reading a lot about any vaccine until there was this COVID vaccine. And then I really dove into it and read a lot about it and found out that you guys were lying through your fucking teeth about the whole goddamn thing and that the whole clinical trials were totally rigged and totally fake and that you were able to get everybody in the like the, the scientific institutions of our government to all repeat these lies and then everybody in the corporate media and the political class to repeat these lies.

1:25:16And then when Bobby Kennedy came along and said, well, you know how that was all bullshit. There's a lot of bullshit with these other vaccines. I was like, I'm listening. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me. It doesn't seem unreasonable at all. And the fact that they were trying to silence legitimate scientists, doctors, professors at major universities for stepping outside the lines. They were trying to remove them from Twitter. They were trying to silence them. They worked in conjunction with the original Twitter to do that. They silenced real experts, you know, and when that lady from Twitter had to testify in front of Congress, it was amazing.

1:25:50That was amazing. And what shows people grill her? Like, are you a doctor? Like, why are you silencing doctors? Like, that was the same one you had on. Yeah. With Temple. Yeah. And one of the interesting things about that was, which is, that was a great, still probably one of my all -time favorite JRE episodes. But it was when, you know, when she was, when they were arguing that like they don't have a bias. And then I think Tim was like, yeah, but you ban people for like dead naming or misgendering. And she was like, well, yeah, I mean, that's, that's hateful. And you're like, yeah, but that's a bias.

1:26:24Like that right there is a bias. That's a bias. And it's one thing when you're just talking about like whether we're calling somebody a boy or a girl. But then you realize like, oh, you have the exact same thing when it actually comes to like very important medical information about a product that Americans are being forced to take. Right. This is madness. No matter what you say, they're being forced. They're being forced if they want to fly. They're going forced if they want to work in a place that is more than 100 people. If the workplace mandates it, the force if they want to go to a university, forced, forced, forced.

1:26:53And they were implementing in a totally unconstitutional way. They were going to through OSHA, through workplace safety. Like just the most blatantly unconstitutional proposal that Joe Biden was going to make it the law of the land that every single business with 100 people or more had to have everybody vaccinated. And it was only because of Donald Trump's Supreme Court that that got struck down. And that's something that people who are paying attention remember. And so like, okay, you can demonize Donald Trump all you want to. But how many millions of Americans were not fired from their job, did not lose their livelihood because they refused?

1:27:36Or were not vaccine injured for a vaccine that they never needed to take? I mean, how many people fell into the category that like me and you and so many other people fell into? Where we got the thing and beat it real quickly before we ever got vaccinated then just didn't need it. And then we just didn't make any sense even even with the information we had about the vaccine back then, which we have a lot more now. But even back then, I mean, you were you looked CNN's doctor right in the eyes. And he goes, well, are you going to get the vaccine? And you go, no, I just beat COVID. Why would I need to?

1:28:08And he had no answer for you. No reason why there's no compelling reason why you should join the team. That's it. That's it. Well, it is. I mean, I had a very intelligent friend that had a conversation with you going to get vaccinated now. I go, why would I do that? It was a weird conversation. I go, I beat it in three days. I go, wasn't even that sick, man. I made a video three days later explaining and I got in trouble because I took the wrong medication to get better. Are you guys out of your fucking mind? Like if you were really worried about people's health and safety, when you say, hey, what's this 57 year old guy doing getting over this so easy?

1:28:41Right. What's he doing different? Oh, what's he doing different? And you go, oh, he's very serious about his health. Oh, he takes really good care of himself. By the way, I had, do you enjoy me giving the business to Chris Cuomo over? That was one of my favorite homeboy. Favorite homeboy. He was a good one. He was trying to do CNN outside of CNN. Mm -hmm. You know, like when he said, I've never said that. And then they pull up the clip like immediately of him demonizing. Shout out to Patrick Bitt David's crew, because they really had my back on that one. Yes. You know, it's not like I didn't send them that clip before or anything.

1:29:12But they in real time in real time had that ready to go. They had a Jamie too. Yeah, yeah, they had everybody's got a Jamie there. Not Jamie. There's only one Jamie. There's only one. There's only one Jamie, but there's a lot of knockoffs. Yeah, a lot of knockoffs. But the fact that you checked him in real time and he just had to sit there and eat it, it's just they were puppets. They were puppets for the system. They were doing it because that was their job. That's how you get ahead in your career. You want to be the main guy at CNN. That's what you do. That's what they were doing. And now he's not doing it anymore.

1:29:43Good luck to him. I hope he does stay on an independent path and becomes an objective person. He's made some strides towards that, I think. I think he's taken some fucking lumps and I think you beat the fuck out of him in that debate. That debate was Mike Tyson's early fights. That's what fucking, you see the fucking white dude with a muffin top. He gets flatlined in 15 seconds. That's what that was. I mean, look, man, and it's not really like a comment on me. It's not that I'm so amazing at debates. It's just like the argument here is so big. You're pretty good at it. You're pretty good at it.

1:30:14I appreciate that. I'm not bad at it. But I'm just right about facts. We're on your side. Yeah, I mean, that's my super power isn't that I'm like the smartest guy or the best of debates. It's just that I'm right in what I'm arguing and that makes it much easier. You know, I got there was an organization that was pitching me on a debate, a two on two debate, which I don't really like doing two on two debates. I've done like too many people talk. It's too much. Yeah, one on one is the way to do it. But they they pitched me this like months after that. I think it was if I'm not wrong, I think the topic was about whether Joe Biden should drop out of the race or not.

1:30:52And they pitched me that it would be a two on two debate against two people. I don't remember who we're saying he should stay in and it was going to be me and Chris Cuomo against them. And I told them I was like, no, no, I will not be on his side. And like, I don't, you know, I'm kind of, you know, I, I, yeah, we had our thing. I gave him a beating. I think he deserved it. But I'm just like, listen man, I'll team up with like a left wing or on something I agree with. I'll team up with the right wing or on something I agree with. I'll team up with like a moderate on something I agree with. But no, not the corporate media guy who was the number one show at CNN.

1:31:25Like I'm not on their side. Even if I'm on their side on this issue, I'm against them. And I know that this has probably been a theme of like every single time I'm on this show over the last 10 years or whatever it's been. But I just, and maybe it's a problem, I hate them so much. And I really think they deserve it. And it's not just that they lie about everything. It's like they lie about everything. And then they have the nerve to morally judge us. Like if you just watch even just the last few weeks of the Trump election, they're not in the business of reporting the news. They're totally just in the business of making you feel like you're a bad person.

1:32:02If you don't fall in line with the regime. And you know, like it's like all of us know, right? Everybody knows this. America has this giant war machine, right? Like we're just always at war. We're the most war hungry country in the world. Even if we're taking a little bit of a break from a war, we'll fight two more proxy wars while we do that. America looks back at the 90s. Bill Clinton as the time of peace and prosperity. We call it peace because we only fought a war in like Serbia and had a blockade around Iraq and were like bombing the crap out of Iraq with a few other military interventions in there too.

1:32:39You know, the UN estimated when that Bill Clinton's sanction and bombing regime of Iraq. Okay. Everyone just thinks of George H .W. Bush's war and W's war. But Bill Clinton was bombing Iraq his whole thing. And he had a full blockade around the country. The UN estimated that 500 ,000 children died of starvation or malnutrition due to the blockade. Now, I've heard people argue by the way that that number is exaggerated. Maybe it wasn't 500 ,000. Maybe it was only 100 ,000. That's the time that we consider peace when we were just starving 100 ,000 children to death in Iraq. And you, everybody in the corporate media, are in the business.

1:33:20Every single one of those wars. You've sold them. Everyone, my entire life, the media has sold those wars. And you're going to morally look down on me. You're going to judge me. Motherfucker, you're in the business of baby murder. Get the fuck out of here. You're looking down judging an American because I, maybe I'm going to vote for Donald Trump or maybe I dare to question the results of the last election. Fuck you, dude. And man, and it was a challenge debating him because they were playing the clips. You know, even before they played that clip that sunned him because he had said he didn't say that and then he clearly did, but they were just playing the clips of the way they were talking to people during COVID and the pandemic of the unvaccinated.

1:34:02And it's you, Mr. Vaccine Skeptic, you're the reason why this and man, it was getting me angry. Like I was just like, all right, I got it. I got to control this here because this is too. I just. How sweet is it that he's on Ivermectin now? I mean, it's how sweet is that though? That is the nuttyest part of it all. Could you just set someone up for better? He wants to say long COVID like, hey, buddy, let me tell you something. If you got a novel medication injected into your body more than once, you probably had to do it twice. You probably at least had to get one booster. And you have some problem and you're saying this long term problem is COVID, long COVID.

1:34:40Are you sure? Are you sure? Or maybe that medicine they injected into your body, you got vaccine injured. Yeah. You don't want to say that though because you still want some sort of a job in corporate media so you have to get to the lawn. You should be very concerned that this novel before never mass injected into people who knows how many different people are going to have different results from some medication, some terrible fucking weird way their biology interacts with this medication. It's going to cause a horrible side effect. And now you're on Ivermectin to treat that. That's rich. And the way he tried to spin it, that he wasn't, but he tried to say, because I mean, he was so, he really should have just thrown in the white towel.

1:35:31He would have done much better for himself saying that to me. If you could, listen, I was at CNN and I kind of just took for granted that they have the best experts. And so I trusted their experts. And now I realize they were, if he had said that that would have been very hard, I still would have been harsh on him, but it would have been a different conversation and a different dynamic. What he did was he refused to admit that. And then, and this is really what got me, is that then he started kind of like attacking my motives. Like he was like, oh, yeah, no, he goes, I know that, you know, this is probably good for your podcast numbers and stuff.

1:36:01But like as if I'm, I don't really believe what I'm saying. I'm just doing this to make money. They function. That's why they're accusing you of functioning that way. They're accusing you of doing things just because you know they're going to be outrageous and get a lot of views. Which is, but you know, like you know me, I don't do that. I don't do that. I don't do that. I know you don't do that. I know you don't do that. I know he's the world and I don't do anything based on how many views I think it's going to get. That's a fact. Yeah. And you know, you don't like, there is nothing I say that I don't believe.

1:36:27I might be wrong about some stuff, but I, everything I say, I believe. I'm not like ever saying anything because just like, oh, this will, you know, like bring in bigger numbers or something like that. They think that way. That's why he's accusing you of that. Yeah. That's, that's a motivation for people that are in that industry. If you're in the fucking industry of being a mouthpiece for network news, like there's a very narrow window of behavior that you have to operate under. You have to stay inside these lines and the whatever, if you're on Fox or if you're on CBC, C NBC or whatever it is, MSNBC, anyone, you have a narrative.

1:37:03They have a narrative in the office. There's a culture. There's a way people think about that. And this is your job. So you're going to do the things that you think you're going to get you more ratings. You're going to do the stories that get people more outrate. That's how you're thinking. It's the wrong way to think when you're on the internet. And they also have, there's a real incentive to never consider like what I said about them being in the baby murder business because that's, you know, that's pretty rough. Right. The thing of yourself is that. And, you know, I remember this one time I watched a documentary on a portion and it was like a very pro choice.

1:37:40How much free time do you have? This was this before I had kids. This was before I had kids. I had so much free time before I had kids. A woman, a woman, a woman for the TV. That's the last thing I want to watch. I'm a weird guy, but that's what I was. That's what I do. I might though, but well, it was it. I forget where it was. It might have been on Netflix or something. I really wanted to know what was going on. Well, I was kind of interested in the subject and, you know, what's before I had kids. But I remember I was watching it. I had a very pro choice bet. And there was this abortionist, this abortion doctor, this lady, and she was like, she was like, listen, I've been an abortion doctor for 30 years.

1:38:15And let me just tell you something. There is no moral issue with having an abortion. It's a thing in a petri dish. It's not a human being. But I remember just watching and being like, well, yeah, but like you better feel that way. Right. Because if you even start to entertain the possibility that the roof, what does that make you? So there's this very powerful social incentive for them to like dig their heels in and not admit that like, oh, the United States of America, the greatest country in the history of the world with more freedom and prosperity and the cultivated, the greatest economy and the greatest, you know, music and literature and just everything that is this superpower.

1:38:53Oh, we presided over the bankruptcy, destruction and like the devolving into nothing more than a like military industrial complex, big, bank, big pharmaceutical, most corrupt nation on earth. And we didn't cover that. We watched all of that happen. And not only did we not cover it, we demonized anybody who covered it. And we were at ever, you know, like that's very difficult to ever confront. And it's always just so much easier for human beings to just go, nope, the problem is misinformation and brush on racism. They were saying that the number one thing for women was abortion. That was the narrative that was being expressed over and over again.

1:39:42It was the number one issue for them. The number one concern. What was the only political winner they had? Did you see what the Earth Met script tweeted? No, no, but I want to. Oh, God, give me a second. He's the man. Kurt is the fucking best when things are flying. And then he gets crazy. Emma said his two jammy. Oh my God, he's so funny. He is one of the funniest human beings on the planet, for sure. He's a mess in the green room. He's just like, oh, I know. He's like, he got me down rabbit hole after rabbit hole. You didn't hear about this. And he's like more conspiracies like Kurt. I'm trying to like enjoy this experience of being at the comedy club and Donald Trump's about the way you're hitting me with conspiracy after conspiracy after conspiracy.

1:40:25Listen, you get caught on the side of the bar at Mitzi's with Kurt Metzger. You might be in for a night. And he's looming and he's big, big giant guy. Christina, I'll get it right. Why? Give me your reasons why my child is sobbing because her rights as a woman may be taking away. Why? And if you disagree, please unfollow me. Kurt says, good news. If she got all her COVID shots, she's probably sterile now anyway. Also, what the fuck is a woman?

1:40:53Also, could you imagine a child? Imagine a child and your child is sobbing because their right to kill a baby inside of them might be taken away. I don't believe that's true. It's very hard. I don't believe that's true unless you've distorted what we're talking about to that child and said that someone's going to tell that child what they can and can't do with their body. Like in some sort of weird dystopian way, like, what did you say to that kid? Do you explain what an abortion is? Do you explain how they came about? They were in your body and then they came out. Now they're a little tiny person that's like super vulnerable and you want to protect their right to kill a little tiny person inside of them.

1:41:30I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do it and I'm not a woman. I should not have the choice of what a woman can and can't do with her body. I would not want a man if I was a woman to tell me what the fuck I can do with my body. And I think if somehow and I think it's all connected to religion and if somehow or another someone decided, and this would be a very minor comparison and not nearly as consequential. But if someone decided that men could no longer get his correctimes or excuse me, Vesectimes. If men could no longer get Vesectimes because of religious reasons, because of some Sharia law or whatever the fuck it is, you cannot do that.

1:42:04Men would be outraged. If women were forcing it on men, we have low population. You cannot get Vesectimes. Like what the fuck is going on? And you want to go to Oklahoma to get Vesectimes because it's legal there. And then they track you. Were you in Oklahoma to get Vesectimes? I'm like, what the fuck? Men would be outraged. That's happening with abortion. There's talk of doing that with abortion, where in states where it's illegal, women are not going to be allowed to travel in the United States of America. Were you supposed to have freedom to go to a place where you're going to have a legal medical procedure, it's legal in that place, whether you agree with it or not.

1:42:39If you're going to believe in states' rights and you don't think that this is a giant prison, we have to show your ID when you go in Arizona, you should be able to drive around. That's the whole idea of one country. You can go over the fuck you want to go. It's not your business. There's other things to worry about. Were you about these fucking gangs that are taking over apartment buildings? Were you about the border? Were you about South Central Los Angeles? Were you about the South Side Chicago and fucking gang violence that kills more people than half the wars we have going on right now? Were you about important shit?

1:43:08Don't worry about what a guy wants to do to get a vasectomy or what's your way worse of women wants to do if she's trying to get an abortion. It's not your fucking business. I think that if the argument is that abortion is killing a baby, which like there is an argument to, then I can understand the argument being, hey, that shouldn't be allowed. Now, obviously I do think there are situations where it's pretty indefensible to force a woman to carry a baby to term. But could risk her life? There's a lot of rape incest health issues. Also health issues. Yes. I mean, there are these situations where you find out that there is some congenital disease where this kid is not going to make it to three years old.

1:43:52And I would never dream of like forcing, you know what I mean? That decision on parents rather than allowing them to make it. There is also a different, the vast majority of abortions are not that, you know? And the vast majority of abortions are essentially people just don't want to have kids right now. And that's a little bit, that's much tougher to defend than those cases. But I will say that one of the things that always like, I find striking to me is that because I'm like a radical libertarian. And it's very interesting to me that like progressive Democrats all of a sudden become radical libertarians, but only on one issue.

1:44:35And they make literally exactly, I'm not even saying the libertarian position is to be pro choice. There's libertarians who are pro life and libertarians who are pro choice. But the argument they make is a libertarian one. They're like, listen, I own my body. It's my body. It's my choice. The government shouldn't be involved in healthcare decisions. We believe in freedom. This is a basic fundamental right. It's a very libertarian argument. And it's just interesting that you only apply that to this one area. There's not any other area where the any progressive Democrat would ever go, you know, if we're talking about Obamacare or we're talking about regulation or we're talking about taxes.

1:45:11They would never go, hey, listen, this is my money. This is my body. This is my choice. The government shouldn't be involved in that. You know what I'm saying? And like there is something that's very bizarre about that. Very important. Where it's kind of like maybe with immigration, they kind of try to use that in an argument to like, oh, you shouldn't stop a person, freedom of movement type thing. They don't really do that anymore because it's been such a disaster. But it's just very strange to me that it's like, oh, what, you all become radical libertarians. Like only when it comes to this thing, which is kind of murdering a baby.

1:45:39But then there's the other side that says we're going to leave it up to the States. Okay. Well, if you get rid of Roe v Wade and you leave it up to the States, if someone wants to go to another state where it is legal and you want to stop them from doing that or prosecute them when they come back to your state, that seems to be a problem. That's a problem. Because then it's like, you can't prosecute me for gambling in Vegas because I come back. You own that person's body. Would that person decide to get an apartment in Oklahoma? Right. And now they kind of live there sometimes. What do you do?

1:46:06It also, it seems where their driver's license is. Like what, what is that? It also just seems a, I don't even know what the word, it seems like incoherent or unsustainable to say that if you're not breaking a law in the area where you are, that you could then be held responsible for that when you come back to it. Because again, like it's, you know, you go to a state where recreational marijuana is legal or where gambling is legal or whatever. You know, the idea that it's like, if there's like the speed limit was 80 miles per hour in the town over and then I come back and I get a speeding ticket for driving too fast over there where you're allowed to do that.

1:46:43So that seems unworkable. That's a big analogy. That's a great analogy. It's men too. It's men controlling women's bodies. That's the thing of it that freaks people out. And it's a step in the wrong direction. If you, if you got rid of Roe v Wade and that's what you did. So now people have to go to a place where it's legal. If you're stuck in a state and you don't have the resources but you are pregnant and you want to make a decision for your own body, that's not up to men to decide. If you really believe in states rights and you really believe the United States is one cohesive community, you should be able to travel to do whatever the fuck you want.

1:47:17You want to get your dick tattooed. You want whatever you want to get. You want to get forehead implants or you look like a unicorn. Whatever the fuck you want to do. If you want to travel to go do that, including if you want to do something that's legal that's a medical procedure that maybe I don't look that I frown upon. But if they decided in that state that it's legal, you should be able to do it there. Yeah, I mean, I think that the reasonable compromise for right now is Roe v Wade was struck down. It's a state's rights issue. But yes, I agree with you. The tracking of what you do in another state where it is legal in that state.

1:47:48That first of all just seems unworkable to me. I don't see how it's possibly going to happen. And then I do feel like that's going to have to go back to the Supreme Court anyway because it's such a precedent that you could be prosecuted for doing something that was legal in the area that you did it. It's creepy. It's creepy. And it's an infringement on rights. I don't like it. Even if I don't like the, even if I, you know, I wasn't a pro choice person. If I didn't like the idea of abortion, I like less the idea of the government telling you what the fuck you can do and whether or not they can discover what you did in some other state, like shut up.

1:48:19Yeah, that's, it's, you can't do that. And that's what I think a lot of women are fearful of. And a lot of that, I don't know if, I don't know how much of a push there is to make something like that happen. We tried to find that about Texas the other day. There was one case, but we just kept talking. What was that one case, Jamie? There was something in Texas where someone may be traveled to get an abortion because in Texas, it's six weeks, which is kind of crazy. Like you don't have any time. You barely have enough time to realize you're pregnant for a lot of women. You're, well, I mean, you're probably not even going to test positive on a, like a home pregnancy test.

1:48:57I think for like 28 days or something like that. So you got two weeks, yeah, after that to find out, make a decision, do what you got to do and that you have to make sure you get in under the wire or you can get prosecuted. Like seven weeks, you're in jail, which is kind of crazy. Yeah. Look, it's very, I don't know. It's, it's tough when you're drawing a line. It's very tough. It's very tough to find a line other than conception that's not arbitrary. Right. Bill Burhead, the best bit. His bit about was fantastic. Oh, yeah. I believe in one woman's right to choose, but I think you can handle a bit.

1:49:33Yeah. You know, it's like Jesus Christ. He's dead on. It's dead on. Yeah, Louis K had a great one too. I can't remember that was an old Louis better. Had a great abortion bet toe. It's, it's a thing that I always say that if men can get pregnant abortion, be an app on your phone. You'd be able to get a fucking abortion at the gas station. You'd be like, fill it up and take this out. Like, I'm not fuck that girl. I'm not carrying a baby. But she was thinking this is the case and it's a little confusing. Okay. A Texas woman who was jailed and charged with murder after self -managing and abortion.

1:50:07What does that mean? Can move forward with her lawsuit against the local sheriff and prosecutors over the case of Drew National Outrage before the charges were quickly dropped. A federal judge ruled on Wednesday. So US district judge Drew B. Tipped in denied emotion by prosecutors and the sheriff to dismiss the lawsuit during a hearing in the border city of McCallan. Lizelle Gonzalez who spent two nights in jail on the murder charges is seeking one million dollars in damages in the lawsuit did not attend the hearing. Texas, Texas, one of the most, one of the nation's most restrictive abortion bands and outlaws the procedure with limited exceptions under Texas law.

1:50:44Women seeking an abortion are exempt from criminal charges, however. So why did they charge her? What did she do? What is health management? What does that mean? What does that mean? Oh, she took a drug. So Gonzalez was indicted in 2022 after she took the drug, misoprostal while 19 weeks pregnant. She was treated at Texas Hospital where doctors later performed a cesarean section to deliver a stillborn child after detected no fetal heartbeat. This is a little different. 19 weeks is pretty late too. Yeah, this is different. The charges were dropped just days after the woman's arrest. Okay, this is different.

1:51:21This is not someone going to another state. So I think that is probably a JD Vance that he hadn't heard of that before and he certainly wouldn't want to put those kind of restrictions on people ever. When you leave it, leave it up to the states. If you're stuck in one of those states, that's where women get really freaked out that Roe v Wade was overturned. Yeah, well, look, it's not none of these things are perfect compromises. And so even one of the things that's interesting is like for so long conservatives wanted to overturn Roe v Wade and it always seemed like a pipe dream like it was never going to actually happen.

1:51:54But then when you do overturn Roe v Wade, you do realize that it's like nobody's really happy. You know what I mean? Like it's like the blue states are still going to have like unrestrictive rules about it. So the right wing people aren't happy. And then the red states are going to be more restrictive. So the left wingers aren't happy about it. It is, you know, it's one of those issues that is enormously complex and it's very difficult. You know, I'm not sure there is like a legal solution to it. I think it's a much more of a cultural issue. It's like if you're going to, if you were living in a society where say it was more similar to my grandfather's society where there was very normal that you married your high school sweetheart.

1:52:40It was very normal that people waited till marriage to have sex and it was very typical that you got married at 19 or 20. Well, I'm not saying they did, but I just mean it was much more typical to get married at 19 and be married for 60 years or whatever. It's much easier to have rules about abortion in that society. Yeah. You know, whereas like if you're in like a hook up culture world where most people are, you know, people are getting married at like 35 if they get married at all. And they're spending from like 17 to 35 being with many different partners. Using apps. Yeah. It's, it, you're just going to come in and just write a law on top of that.

1:53:21It's just a very, it's a very difficult situation. But you know, to your initial point, it's like the Dems were running on that because that was really the only political winner that they had. That was the only issue that people actually really cared about and they were on the Democrat side about it. And that's why they had to run on that. That's why Kamala Harris, which was one of the craziest things of this whole campaign. One of the most amazing things is that they actually tried to just run on nothing. One of my favorites was that Tim Walls tried to claim that his wife got pregnant through in vitro fertilization.

1:53:52And she said that's not true. So he lied about that. What a weird guy he was. His wife had to come out and say he was lying. Yeah. Well, so something. Okay. That guy lied about everything. He lied about being a head coach. He was an assistant coach. He lied about his military rank. He lied about whether or not he served in a war. Lie about whether or not he was in TNM square. Yeah. Well, he lies about everything. Well, see what happened is right. So Obama, who was obviously a very, very smart guy and you know, incredibly talented politician at least in while he was running for president, he was.

1:54:31I think he's lost a step. But so Obama still was a bit of a narcissist and he wanted to pick Joe Biden as his VP. He didn't want someone who was going to outshine him. And so he picked Joe Biden who, you know, if you were even before he went C Nile was never particularly bright. So he picked Joe Biden as his, his VP. And then Joe Biden, well, he wanted some, some diversity points. And he also wanted someone to not outshine him because now he was becoming seen I all and he was never that bright to begin with. So he picks Kamala Harris to be his VP. And then Kamala Harris needs to pick someone who won't outshine her.

1:55:09You know what I mean? So it's like the, the, the, the, the accuracy just like spun out of control real quick where all the sudden you get to like the third VP in a row and you're like, yeah, really? This is who you picked. Like, he's a knucklehead. You know what's, it's crazy is that this was in, in many ways, this was a, this presidential election was just so wild and so different from anything I've ever seen in my life. You know, I'm 41 and this was different than any other presidential election of my lifetime for sure. And I think, substantially before that. I think, I think, I think before that too.

1:55:41But then there were these things that were also just like very conventional explanations for why you look at this Trump blowout. And it's almost like as you look back at it, it's like, yeah, what you guys thought you could get away with it. It's just, just very basic things that like Donald Trump picked a VP. Who, whether you like him or not is a pretty impressive guy, very impressive guy. There's a guy who went to, who was raised by a single parent who was a drug addict and ended up serving the country, going to an Ivy League school, becoming a venture capitalist, becoming a, a, a senator, and, and can sit and have a conversation with you for three hours and be very intelligent and expressive.

1:56:19Like, and have fun. And he has fun. However you feel about him objectively, an impressive person. He picked a VP that could help him. He could do things that Trump can't do. You know, like he could go on on a show and really make the case pretty well in a hostile environment. He's got a very high verbal IQ clearly. You know, he's a very intelligent guy. She picked a VP who can't do anything to help her. He was like the weirdest human being you've ever seen. Like, like, what was the strategy here, guys? And they actually, they really just banked on being not Trump. They go, you know, all of the things that she ran on four years ago, she walked away from every position and didn't have an answer for any of them.

1:57:02Didn't have an answer for what? Like, it's totally fine to change your mind on something. And it's totally never reason. Yeah. I mean, it's very easy. We've all changed our mind. She's done a lot of things. And if you were like, Hey, dude, you used to believe this, but you believe this. Now you're like, well, let me tell you something. I read this guy and he just made such a good argument about it. And then he had all this data that I hadn't really seen before. That's fine. But she never had an answer for any of them. She went, my values haven't changed. What? Well, okay. So that, but again, what's the answer then?

1:57:30Like you were four Medicare for all now. You're not. You were four open borders. Now you're not. You were four, whatever, a bunch of other stuff, trans surgeries for prisoners or whatever. Now you're not what happened. She had no answer for that. She's also that sitting VP and they go, Oh, sir, are you running on the track record of the last four years? Like, no, no, no. I'm also not going to run on that. What? Well, why not? Because I'm not Joe Biden. Like, it was like, what? What? That's what you're running on. That's it. And it's just like it was, but so many people were behind her, which is even wild.

1:58:03It's wild. So many people were like, yeah, this is what we got. So let's just fucking gaslight the shit out of half the country and run with it. And also see how far we can take. I got a piss. Let's come. Let's come back. We'll talk about this. I'm sure I did the sauna earlier. Sorry. No. It did an hour. He's old dude, man. He's old dudes of bad posture are different than old dudes with regular posture. That's a very good point. Once they get to like this, yeah, that's it. Yeah, they're fucking hard to keep your head up. Yeah, yeah. After a while, gravity just wins. But Trump keeps on trucking.

1:58:34He's the only guy that went four years in the White House and didn't get older. Something really something really interesting about that. Pretty the same. Pretty the same four years later where everybody else looks like they've been near a nuclear blast. You know what? I radiation poisoning. Yeah. It's a really, really good point. I've always thought there was something about like, because you know, just from doing stand -up, you know, if you think about like, if you really try to remember back to like your first, like few months in stand -up comedy, and you remember like how daunting getting up in front of people was.

1:59:06It's like a thing. You know, and that's the first step to being a stand -up comedian. Isn't like getting great material or even being, it's like, hey, get comfortable with going up in front of a group of people and speaking into a microphone to that, get comfortable with not getting a laugh when you wanted to get one, get comfortable with that. And there is something where like in 2016, you know, and people forget about this human element of it, right? Like, Jeb Bush. Okay. He's the son of a president. He's the brother of a president. And he was the governor of Florida. It's not like he was a, like a rookie.

1:59:40But when he's on that debate stage, he is stepping onto the biggest stage of his life. He's never been in front of a crowd like that before. Donald Trump, it's Tuesday. Right. So this is what I do. Here's, Donald Trump's like cracking his neck and going out there like, oh, are all the spotlights and cameras on me? That's about right. Okay. You know, like he's just like, he's, and he was so comfortable. That was a huge factor in why he was able to just nuke everybody. Because it's like, yeah, this is what I do on the center of attention. These guys have never been there before. Not like that. He was funny when he was talking about the one -liner that he cracked about, Rosie O'Donnell.

2:00:14He goes, thank God I had that one because she was coming after me. She was coming after me. I had that one. I got her with that one. Well, he won her over. He did. Look at her. Speaking for him. Apparently she crushed it and made fun of Mark Cuban. Yeah, yeah, she did. She did. She did. It was great. Yeah, I watched it. She's got, she's, I watch it. I have a, she's very sharp. Oh, she's very impressive. She was the original Fox Fem bot. She was original like super hot woman on Fox. She was so much smarter than you. And you're like, smarter and less queen. They're all wearing something very inappropriate.

2:00:45Yeah, I said vagina curtains. I said it was good about it. She like, not even a good curtain. That kind of grandma has over her. She's saying that flatters in the breeze, you're both by like, Jesus Christ. Your inch is away from vagina that's covered by the thinnest piece of cloth. It's a wild way to dress. It's a weird culture over there. It's amazing. Let's hear it. Oh, four years ago, we had Mark Cuban on the program. Yeah. Yeah. May seem he was in the news this week. And he started going on about how bad America's race history was and how ashamed he was of America. And that's why I was at all these protests.

2:01:23And he felt it was really important to stand up and speak out about human rights violations. And then it got awkward when I asked him about all the money he was taking from China. But then he dropped a bunch of F bombs. And I thought, I really enjoy this feeling of proving Mark Cuban wrong. And so here I am at a trunk rally, a strong intelligent woman, to prove Mark Cuban wrong again. Damn. Yeah. That has to. Yeah. Yeah, she's a beast. Yeah. That one, that one has to. Yeah. It was very, it's funny too, because she's not like been in politics, but that was very like politically savvy. That was like a really smart way to go at it.

2:02:15Well, she was very demonized as well. Remember when she went over to do that NBC show? That was crazy. Like they took her from Fox, they gave her a shit ton of money, and then they just didn't like her. Over the, and it was over the lamest thing. I forget even the comments. Something about Blackface Halloween costume or something. Can you pretend to be a person that you admire that's like if you want to be Diana Ross? She was like, I don't think what's wrong with that. Right. It's not a bad question. There's one thing if you are mocking African -American people, if you have like fucking Al Jolson, Blackface on, but what if you want to be Mr.

2:02:50T and you're a 10 year old kid? Mr. T's is hero. Do you really think that kid's racist? He puts a bunch of gold chains on and brown makeup on his face? Like what are we calling Blackface? Like what? What does that mean really? Blackface in terms of like Al Jolson types of, yeah, like they literally used to use white guys pretending to be Black guys in movies so they didn't have to have Black stars. And they would be like overtly dumb. And like it was like in the soul. It was very insulting. It was clearly like we think lesser of these people. But that's not necessarily the case if you just have the color black.

2:03:24Whatever it is, it's interesting for Halloween. Yeah, it's like you can't, but we can do everything but the skin color, which is just bizarre. Well, there's, that's one of the other things that I do think has been very interesting over the last, really over the last couple of years, I guess, and it's really on display with the Trump reelection thing is that the culture has moved. Did you ever see when I talked to Robert Downey Jr. about Tropic Thunder? Yeah. Yeah. Could you do it today? Oh, you could do it. Yeah, that was great. That was a great response. He's great, man. It is technically true.

2:03:54You could do it. I thought his conversation, the adventurous thing with Kamo was goofy, but I love Robert Downey. Yeah, that was a real interesting one. I like to get him to eat meat. Every time I look at him, I'm like I'm very concerned. Oh, is he, that's right. He doesn't eat anything. Yeah. California vegan. Well, I do think there's some stuff that we look back at now at like 2017, 2018. Like the wokeism of that era does seem to be like, yeah, things aren't quite as crazy as they were then, or at least this, there was a little bit of like fatigue of it. Yeah. You kind of can't get away with it anymore.

2:04:24Isn't that like the pendulum though? Doesn't it look swaying? I guess. So I'm wearing the other way. And ultimately it moves into, it's moving towards a better direction for society. And it's just a massive over correction. And then you have hustlers and grifters who get involved in it and amplify the movement. Right? And now there's like the Black Lives Matters girls who bought all the reals day. There was also some accusation that they bought the house for substantially more than a person paid for. Just recently before that, and they have a connection to that person. Like there's some like other chinanigans.

2:04:59Yeah. It's the communists who are always like, yeah, but I also want to be a millionaire. It's wonderful. It's wonderful when the grift gets exposed. Get exposed. So I thought in the election this year, there were like kind of, and woke culture in general. So I mean, it brought her in the election. There were kind of like three major factors that I think were really interesting. One was that I think the anti, I think that the, for lack of better term, like the kind of anti -woke or non -woke people kind of want out in the marketplace. There's examples of like a, like Tom Brady Rousse. Well, I think you're, yes, yes.

2:05:39I think you were an example of that. The Tom Brady Rousse was an example of that. Shane Gillis' career was an example of that. You know, Tim Dillen's career is an example of that. It's just at a certain point, it's not even that Netflix changed their mind and they're willing to have these guys on because they had like some ideological transformation. It's just like, I don't know. Dude, they're so big. They have so many fans. This is going to get a ton of views on it. They're and a mix of that and also kind of for the first time, there was like a cost imposed with the Bud Light stuff and the Target stuff.

2:06:09There were these like kind of very effective boycotts where it's like, oh, you're, there's going to be a cost imposed on you if you do that. The second factor with the Trump stuff and why they weren't able to get the shock troops out. And when I say the shock troops, I just mean the left wing 20 year old useful idiots who will come out and protest, yes, there's a fascist movement here, right? So one of the things that happened and this part of why, you know, this is a non -controversial explanation for 2020 versus 2024, is that in the year 2020, Joe Biden's central pitch to America was a return to normalcy.

2:06:49Yeah. And that was a very attractive pitch, I think, to a lot of people, especially if you can put yourself in November of 2020. Sure. You know, you've gone through the craziest year ever and it's, there's lockdowns, there's riots, the whole economy is a mess. Everybody's freaking out. Yes, all of a sudden it's just, and you're constantly going like, oh my god, Trump is crazy. And then the reaction to him is crazy. And then Joe Biden could just be like, listen, you know me. Yeah. I've been in the Senate for 700 years. Yeah. Let's go back to regular America. Don't turn in the room. Yes, exactly.

2:07:23And by the way, okay, I'm not campaigning. That's true. I'm in my house the whole time. But there's a pandemic. That's kind of the responsible thing to do. You know, Donald Trump's doing a super spreader event right now. That was still the narrative at the time, even though none of it was real. Did someone die from COVID that went to one of his events? Yeah, I think maybe, I vaguely remember this. Was it Ben Carson? Ben Carson, he got COVID? Didn't, I don't remember. Who died from COVID that went to one of his main Carson dead? I don't think I don't remember. I think somebody, I think somebody might have, I vaguely remember the story.

2:07:58Yeah. Who was a supporter of Trump who wound up getting COVID and dying? Which like whatever, who even knows whether he got it there or whatever. What's going on with that was, why probably did? I think it was. Yeah, that's quite honestly. I think it was a super spreader event. But yes, well, it might have been, I don't know these outdoor events. I don't know if they really were or not. Ben Broderall and Ty Proxemini to each other, just like the flu. Herman Cain. Herman Cain, that's right. That's right. Yes, that's right. Yes, I do remember that. So Ben Carson still off, sorry, Ben. You're doing great.

2:08:32Brilliant man too. Another guy who was very dismissed. Yes, yes, sir. I mean, he's a bit of an odd duck, but he's a genius for sure. You got the painting with Jesus behind him with his hands on his shoulders. Hey bro, there's some weird stuff going on there. But he actually, he is an interesting guy. Brilliant guy. Very, very brilliant. But so anyway, this pitch of like the return to normalcy in 2020 is attractive. Attractive. It's attractive. And it also, look, it fed into the thesis essentially of the entire corporate media was like the problem is Trump. Right. The problem is Trump. Everything was at United States of America.

2:09:06Then this Trump guy came in and ruined everything. Right. Whereas the reality was always much deeper than that. Like, no, there were these huge problems. And that's why a Trump like figure was so attractive to people. Yeah. But then what happened is Joe Biden came in and nothing went back to normal. It got even crazier than it was under Donald Trump. So now people were looking back at the first three years of Donald Trump. Like, that seems pretty normal compared to what we've been going through in the Biden administration. So this sucked a lot of the energy out. And also you didn't have the mystery of Trump.

2:09:36He's going to be a dovetailer in there. No, he's not. He's been in for four years. You know, in 2016, they were like, you can't trust him with the nuclear codes. And there was a little bit of a plausible claim to that. Like, I don't know. He would be the first president ever with no political or military experience. And he does seem like a little bit of a wild man. But you can't really sell that anymore after he's been president. So that kind of took away from the energy. And another thing, and I don't know, I have not, I'm not saying I'm the only one making this point. I haven't heard anyone else making this point.

2:10:06And I just, I think this is a huge part of it. Okay. Like a huge part of the reason why you didn't see tens of thousands of young people out protesting Trump at Madison Square Garden, and you only had like a hundred people there, is because those young left wingers who were reliable shock troops for the regime over the last decade, they've been protesting a genocide for the last year. They've spent a full year protesting what they consider, and at least the international court of justice plausibly considers, a genocide. And it's very hard to get someone who's been protesting babies being slaughtered to turn around and pretend that something else is way more of an outrage.

2:10:48And especially to then go protest on behalf of the ones who are doing the genocide, that you've been protesting against for the last year. At least funding. Yeah. Right. I mean, listen man, yes. It's, I mean, I, Israel forget, invading Lebanon or going to war with Iran. Israel can't conduct the war in Gaza without the US. It's our weapons, it's our money, it's our intelligence. That they're using to do this. It's, it's, you know, America is, if you view this as a genocide, which I don't really use that word too often, but I do view it as like just horrific. And if you view it that way, there's no way that the US isn't implicated.

2:11:26This only happens because the US is funding and supporting this. And if you want to get those activists to get outraged, it's something else other than that when that's obviously the most pressing concern. Talk globally. It's very tough. Yeah. They've spent a year doing that. Also, and it really hurt her. These young kids, you think of the difference between 2016 and 2020 and then 2024 podcasts. Huge. Way different. They all listen to podcasts. Everybody gets clips. You hear opposing perspectives. You hear very intelligent people come on and make arguments that you're not hearing on TV anymore and they get shared.

2:12:00Even if it's just shared clips on TikTok and YouTube, or YouTube, shorts and Instagram reels, they're going to be shared left and right. And you, you can't just keep a narrative going anymore. You can't. Well, that was work. You know, like even this came up a bunch when I was debating Chris Cuomo. But it's like even just the way they, you know, the way they talk about you, or like where it's like, oh, these, these bro culture guys or something like that. Like, again, I'm sorry. Objectively, objectively, this isn't an opinion. What happens on this show is so much more intelligent and thoughtful and deep than anything that's going on at CNN.

2:12:38You just can't tell me. You can't tell me that you sitting down with Elon Musk for three hours and then compare that to like wolf blitzer with all his graphics behind him, talking for 30 seconds before he goes to a pharmaceutical commercial, and then coming back and having the dumbest left wing or the dumbest right wing or really, and you guys are going to act like you're the grown -ups in the room. Like, it's just, it's too ridiculous. And that's right. So the entire young generation, as they've all turned that off, nobody, none of them are getting their news from CNN anymore. And look, man, that's, I think the most beautiful part of this election.

2:13:14Yeah, mainstream media is dead. Yeah, that's right. Those are apps on, and certainly not comparable anymore. And if you look at the numbers, like what are the numbers that CNN has for a regular show compared to like the numbers of the Trump podcast? I don't think they have a show that regularly cracks a million views. I think the biggest one is still under a million. The Twitter, the X video that I posted, when I posted Elon on the podcast, between me and him, it got 65 million views in a day. Unbelievable. In a day. Yeah. And that's not counting YouTube, which is like another, I don't know how many million he got on YouTube.

2:13:52That's not counting. Spotify, yeah. We don't even know those numbers yet, because yeah, just two days ago. Right. Right. 65, but Trin, his account, in my account, 65 million views. And you know, there was, like the X is the number one new source on earth. Yeah. On earth. It's the most trusted because it's the only one that's not fucked with. So even if someone's incorrect, the community notes will correct them. Yep. The community notes are rock solid. It's a great way to find out what's real and what's not real. And then you look in the comments and you see people debating it. And it's happening in real time.

2:14:24And it's happening whenever something breaks. And it's way better than what you're going to get on corporate controlled media. Way better. Elon Musk buying Twitter was at least as important as Trump winning. It's election again, maybe more. The most important thing about Trump winning might be that he's able to stop them from coming after Elon Musk. Well, that's a big factor, but I also think that Elon Musk buying Twitter, if that doesn't happen, I don't think Trump wins the way he wins. Oh, 100%. I think it's real tight. I think if he does win, it's barely. Okay, let's take podcasts out. He doesn't win at all.

2:15:00You take him being on Theo Vaughan, him being on me, him being on all these different notebooks, all these different questions. Andrew Schultz. That was a big one. Schultz was a flagrant. It was a big one because it got him to fuck around. Yeah. You know, you see him laughing and joking around and Schultz is joking with them. They're having a good time. That humanized it more. Do you see that Schultz? They fucking pulled his special from a theater three hours after the Trump thing got released? Yeah, and then he did it at a bigger theater. Of course. Which by the way, that's another thing that's changed.

2:15:30That's really a fascinating thing to me, right? I've watched this happen and I know you have two where the cancelling stopped working. It was so effective. All of the sudden, it just stopped. We're a big part of that is Elon Musk for sure. But there's other factors involved in it too. I remember there were guys in 2016, 2017, who were very much like in the national conversation and they got straight up removed from that. My love. My Leonopolis, a great example. When he went on Bill Mar, he had like, he killed it on Bill Mar. He killed it on your show. Bill Mar compared it to Christopher Hitchons.

2:16:12Yeah. He went, you're like a gay Christopher Hitchons or something like that. Yeah. So he's so now and then he made the other guys look like fools too. So then he gets taken down and he went from being a guy who was like very much shaping the national conversation to being just removed from it. And there were other guys, no, a bit of a drug problem. Yeah. I'm not even saying there were another factors involved, but there were a bunch of people like that who got removed. Yeah. And I do think, I think the tipping point was when they came for you and it failed. But it seems like around that time, it stopped working.

2:16:46Listen, I heard of Andrew Tate for the first time ever when he got cancelled from everything. Right. That was when I like found, I didn't know who he was before that. And then he was like, oh, the guy who got cancelled for everything. And now he's bigger than he ever was. I knew the most Googled man for kickboxing. Yeah, my kid asked me about him because my kids were getting a little videos off of TikTok. This is before he got in real trouble when he was just starting to like, get a manus fear and a bunch of young guys resonating with it. She goes, what do you think about him? And I said, he's a legit kickboxer.

2:17:16Like I used to watch him kickbox. He was like, you know, in that organization, whatever organization, he was a champion. His legit, he can fight, man. Oh, yeah. He's a good guy. He was in fighting. He could really fight. When he became like this manus fear influencer, I was like, okay, that kind of tracks kind of makes sense. Right. Right. Well, I just, the thing that I found so interesting was just, and it happened with him. Great example is Tucker Carlson. Candace Owens. Oh, yeah. And then even the thing we were just saying about our boy shultz, it's like these cancellation attempts, all of a sudden they went from like, oh my god, this could ruin you.

2:17:53So like it's making you stronger. Do you see my Tony went on stage last night? No. Bro at the mother shit. Bro. Oh, dude, I'm proud. Richard Pire showed up. Do you have video of the opening? Oh, that's awesome dude. They go nuts. Yeah. They go nuts when Tony's this is the new dynamic now. Yeah. It's like the tool that they used to use to control the narrative is now losing them more and more of the narrative. Not only that, Tony now has 35 minutes on the whole thing. Really? Yeah. 35 minutes on Puerto Rico. This whole thing, people, is he going up tonight? Oh yeah, I'll probably up tonight. I'm going to go watch it.

2:18:27I'd love to go watch that. I love that's the best thing in comedy, by the way. The best thing in comedy is like when there's like a huge thing and someone's got, there's just something about like when they got new fresh stuff on the thing that just happened is just the best part of stand up. Oh, it's my, like my n -word compilation joke. Dude, I remember literally one of my, like if I had to put a flag down on like five of my favorite moments since I've been in comedy, that show that we did at what's it called? The Vulcan? Yeah. It was before the mothership was opened, but it was the day after it came out.

2:19:04And it was amazing. There was something surreal about it. Watching you go on stage in the moment where you're like in the crosshairs of the biggest cancellation attempt. And then having you just do the bit on it is so goddamn good. I mean, you put it out on your last special. But watching it the next day after it had just happened was like there's just an energy about that that you're just like, oh shit dude, like this and it was just amazing. It's an amazing show. It's an opportunity to take something and turn into a positive. Yeah. Like take this moment and create a bit out of it. Oh, dude, my favorite show of the year was I just literally, I happened to be doing a weekend at the mothership when Trump got shot.

2:19:51I mean, I was leaving my hotel to walk over to the mothership. And then just all the sudden my phone started blowing up, like text, text, text, text, text, all this. And I was like, what the fuck happened here? And then I pulled the video and was like, oh shit. And then that show, whatever the early show on that day, man, for if people were there, it was just the most fun. It's the most fun part of stand -up where you're almost just like you go like, well, forget what I thought. We were going to be talking about today. Because now we're going in a whole new direction. What am I going to go up there and not talk about this for a half hour?

2:20:22How is that possible? How is it possible? Especially for me, it's like, well, I've got to go do this. And it's just something beautiful. That's the best part of stand -up comedy, man. It's a great part. And if you're there live, it's so fun. It's so fun when you know someone is talking about something that just happened. It's so fun. And I've gotten messages and tweets and stuff like that, from people who are at that show. I'll still get like someone I like come up and just be like, dude, I was at that show. That's how I'm like, yeah, that was a good one, man. That was a good one. You don't get a whole lot of moments like that with the president, almost gets fucking iced.

2:20:55And then all the nutty people trying to say he staged his assassination attempt so that he could regain the White House that there was a propaganda to them. Those are the nuttiest of left -wing people. You think flat earthers are nuts. You think a 78 -year -old guy is going to allow some dude with iron sights to shoot and nick his ear from 140 yards away. Well, also another guy did get killed. Yeah. There it seems pretty real. And you're the one person that's trying to. Yeah. I really wonder if Trump's going to try to get to the bottom of that stuff. I don't know how far he can get in there. Or if maybe he just doesn't want to even push it.

2:21:34It's hard to know what happened there. But he seems like a Lee Harvey Oswald type dude. He seems like a guy that they'd set up. Well, there's a lot to that story. There's both stories with both of the assassination attempts are very fishy. Yeah. There's just something that just doesn't add up. But the one with Crooks is the most fishy. Did you see the video of his dad? His dad leaving Costco. So he's got Costco with a whole full card of stuff. And there's a dude who's with him. He's wearing gloves and a mask and sunglasses and a hoodie. And this guy's helping. He's wearing gloves. Yeah. So he's not leaving any fingerprints anywhere.

2:22:15It's the weirdest look. This guy's, and this is like recent, right? So this is in the heart of COVID. I don't know. I don't know why the person dressed like this. It was really recent. Yeah, I think so. The assassination attempt was only a few months ago. Yeah. So you have Crooks dad and his dad is pushing the shopping cart. And you got this dude who's with him. Who's like in full disguise with gloves. It's very weird. Well, look, I mean, so you have, there's the first one where you have this guy is able, and you can see this is all on videotape. This guy is walking around scoping out that roof.

2:22:54Look at this. Oh, he's wearing gloves. I think he's just wearing, he's got his hoodie covering his hands a little bit right there. Oh, they're not gloves? I don't think so. Why do I think he wants to wear gloves? He does cover everything else up though. He sure he's somewhere. Okay, he's got his, I see why you thought that though. It's a weird look for sure. Well, he's covering his fucking hands. Yeah, he is covering his hands. Okay, so he's not gloves. So he's got a full mask on. He's got sunglasses on and a hoodie. And it's nighttime. And this guy is, okay, so no gloves. But it's just bizarre.

2:23:33Very bizarre. Obviously, the guy doesn't want people to know who he is. Because he's with the father of the guy who tried to kill the fucking president. Well, the fact that somebody could be able to get up on that roof with a rifle 130 yards away from the president. And then all the excuses that they made made absolutely no sense. It was, a sense it was too sloped up a room for all this. No, the lady didn't want to step down. Yeah, this is very, yeah, all very strange. And then the second one, you've got a guy who has a felony conviction for possession of weapons of mass destruction, where he barricaded himself, well, police were pursuing him with like explosives or something.

2:24:14I mean, he's, he's already dead. Yeah, there's a, the charge was weapons of mass destruction. I remember that because like I didn't realize that was a charge. I thought that was just something Bush lied about. But, evidently, there's a real criminal. So he had bombs? Well, suicide? Yeah, I don't know exactly what they were, but I know that was the charge. And it was a felony. And then this motherfucker is recruiting for the Ukrainian war effort and is going back and forth to an active war zone, trying to recruit Afghan fighters to fight in the war on the Ukrainian side. And then he comes back and tries to assassinate Donald Trump.

2:24:52And then the entire national conversation is like, is the rhetoric about Donald Trump too far. And you're like, listen, man, I'm not saying it's not plausible that if you call the guy Hitler every day, maybe some, you know, deranged young person will be like, I'm going to take out Hitler. But when this guy is going and recruiting for the Ukrainian war effort, this doesn't sound to me like someone radicalized by joy read. You know what I mean? This sounds like something a little deeper is going on. And then there is apps, if much like with Jeffrey Epstein, right? There is no desire amongst the supposed journalist class to even look into it.

2:25:29And then his son gets hit with child porn charges. Yeah. So like if his son knew anything about what was going on, no one's going to listen to him now. The fucking guy's jerking off to kids. Fuck it. It's just it. Look, at the very least, it's very bizarre. And when you have a guy, you know, like I'm not saying I've got like a case I could present in front of a jury and get a conviction. But when you've got a guy who has been targeted by the regime unlike any other political figure in American history, well, let's say since Kennedy. But more so, because he just survived an assassination. Kennedy got shot.

2:26:02But the attacks on him, the law fair attacks are unprecedented. The weaponizing of the legal system in front of everybody's eyes, like trying to find a crime. Yeah. No, that's right. And so all of that. And then you see these multiple attempts happen. It you'd be crazy to not at least want to have like some real investigation into this. Some interest in looking at this and all that. That's conference. How about one press conference about Crooks? How about Tommy Woodch? You know, do you get a toxicology examination or just burn the body? Yeah. And you can't get into his, we can't get into his foot.

2:26:37He had no social media footprint. Come on, dude. His apartment was professionally scrubbed. Yeah. Didn't even have silver in his house. Yeah, it's all just very strange. I wonder now that Trump's back in. Does he does he look into that? And I'm not even saying, you know, like I just really I just want Trump to end the wars. Oh, listen, if Donald Trump, if he secures the border and ends the if he ends the war in Ukraine, secures the border and ramps up oil production and some other. And does something to help the economy put him on Mount Rushmore. Like that's that's enough, man. Like I don't you know what I mean?

2:27:13Like that's that's enough for it. But I am curious like I wonder where he is. I always wanted to be on Mount Rushmore. I believe I deserve it. And I'll say we kick one of them off. Why we're not we're not making more room. We're going to face you guys. We could take a vote. I'll tell you you imagine the fucking sock hats screaming in this street if they changed Mount Rushmore. Yeah, TJ stays. But I'm thinking Lincoln's got to go. No, Lincoln's a man. Lincoln was a wrestler. Keep him. Yeah. All right. Fine. Giant freak of a man. Probably gay. He was a giant freak of a man. And definitely I think spend a lot of time in cabins with other dudes.

2:27:47I think everybody's gay back then. That's what I think is possible. I think there was a lot of gayness back then. And you know, I base this on ancient cultures. Like Afghanistan. All the gay should they do. Well, you also got to think like if you're in a world without like plumbing and and toothbrushes and razors. Fulking a man or a woman. Not that much different. Not a whole lot different at that point, dude. As far as you're in a trench. Yeah, it's that at that point you're basically like you're just you're you're you're having sex with an animal. This is what you're doing. But somebody warriors in the past were gay.

2:28:23Like Samaritan's did a lot of gay stuff. Yeah, Spartans did a lot of gay stuff. A lot of gay stuff. Well, it's one of the things that I think we've kind of found out with the the the trends stuff over the last few years is that it's like there are there are cultural norms that you can set up where people will do a lot of stuff that you might consider to be very like bizarre. And it's very easy when you don't have those cultural parameters to be like no one would do that. Just because you made it like acceptable prison. Yeah, yeah, exactly. We're so gross. If you leave us alone with no one but us, we just fuck each other.

2:29:01Yeah, that's how gross we are. And it's also kind and and it's like a punchline in a weird way. Like it's just nothing like it's also the one kind of rape you can hope someone gets. Yeah, you know, that was actually how he gets raped in prison. Kurt Kurt Metzger made this point. I remember it was sometimes during like the me two movement. Oh, I know what it was. It was when you ever see the law and order episode where they did like the me two comic. No, it's the most ridiculous thing ever dude. It was just in the you know law and order. They just got a bang out a half hour show like every other day or whatever.

2:29:33Yeah, so it's a so the it was the height of like cancel culture me too and all this stuff. And so the theme I'm not exaggerating this okay. The theme is there's a shot comic. And he's he's making all these rape jokes. And now of course they do it in a way like as if this would work at a comedy club like you're just like Hey you I hope you get raped and the crowd's like yeah. Yeah, yeah. So they're at a comedy club. I believe it was filmed at the comic strip live. I think it was there. I'm not sure. But it was at a comedy club. He's in this. So some some girls get up and they walk out because they're very uncomfortable with like oh my god these rape jokes are not funny blah blah.

2:30:09Then the girl leaves gets raped. Turns out it was the rape comic. Who rapes are and that's the is most ridiculous like god damn story ever. But this was an episode of law and order and the Kurt just started. He made the point that he goes you know on this show it's just a regular thing that they threaten men with rape. Like every single time they're in they're like interrogating someone they go guys like you don't do very well in prison. You know what I mean? And it's always just like the threat of like we will put you in a rape torture dungeon. If you don't do x, y and z and I thought it was like a really brilliant point that that's just totally acceptable.

2:30:42It's like threatening a man with right you guys like you don't do very well in prison. Is a common like saying and we all know what that means. They're saying you will be aintaly raped against your well but whatever you're a dude. So who cares? My friend was telling me about the American Taliban guy. You know that guy that went over to to join the Taliban. He said they raped that guy like a thousand times. He said like that guy was a prisoner over there for like four years and they just raped him continuously. And he said when he was working overseas when he was deployed, he said you would see guys raping guys all the time.

2:31:20There was this one very slow guy that worked in the kitchen. These guys were lined up to rape the guys. There was one guy about a colostomy bag and the guy kept kept and sick. He had to get met a vac. He was like he'd get infected. They found out they were fucking the hole where the bag goes into his side. Guys were fucking the hole where his colostomy bag gets inserted. That's not cool. Yeah but when you have a culture that says like men can't have sex with women except to procreate and the women have to be dressed up in a certain way and it's not good. You leave them alone with themselves. It's very Freudian man.

2:31:56And it's old. You repress. Old culture. No this is the Freudian observation which is a very brilliant one. However people feel about Freud. It's like you repress you know certain desires and they reemerge in much darker ways. You know there's just like you have to have a release valve. Otherwise it's like human beings go into very very dark places. Well it's just people don't react well to other people telling them what to do. And when I was in high school the thing was Catholic school girls were always freaks. Catholic school girls were wild because they didn't get to be around any boys ever.

2:32:31They were just at school with girls. They're all dressed in skirts and they're all told that they're all those desires that they have. Their bodies going through puberty and they're just horny all the time that they're bad. And then they can't wait to get along with the guy. And as again the same thing like you repress it in one area. It's just it reemerges in a much uglier way that if you had just been been yeah exactly. That's the best example of it emerging in the creepier way. Well you know why they did that with Catholic priests? Why? Because the priests were like rock stars. They were fucking everybody.

2:32:59So they said you can't have sex anymore. You can't get married. But imagine saying to like a grown man that you can't ever have sex or jerk off. That's the expectation. The expectation is that you're supposed to never come. And they would give you medication so that you couldn't get hard. They'd give you salt, Peter. Yeah you're going to draw it. If that's the job to sign up to you're going to draw in some weird people who want to sign up to that job. The most twisted. What was that what's that stuff called? Is it called salt, Peter? Is that what they give them to make sure that they stayed impotent?

2:33:36Kills their sexual desires? I don't know. I don't. It's probably this fucking poison. I mean what is what's doing that? What's doing that? What's killing your it's killing your testosterone? Killing your sex hormones? What else is it doing? How depressed are you? Yeah they can't be good. How many of them are alcohol? It's every go to a Catholic church and you see the guy speaking the the the whatever he is, bishop, whatever the fuck he is. Big stupid, blown up nose because it's just like he's got gin blossoms all over his face. It's hammered every day. He lives in hell. Yeah. He lives in hell.

2:34:09He's probably a closeted gay guy that took this fucking job 45 years ago. And now he's like this is my life. Now I'm 60. Here I am. Like what am I dealing with myself? Yeah I don't I've I've talked to Peter stuff Jamie. Find it. What what is salt Peter used for and is a true reduces certain carnal urges. The second part of the question is easy to answer. Salt Peter the term refers to either potassium or sodium nitrate has no effect on carnal urges. The story that this chemical was put into soldiers food to decrease their sex drive is a total myth. But what about for a priest? That's what I had heard.

2:34:43So is it one of those things they thought thought did that? Symptoms can range from double vision and difficulty in swallowing to paralysis and death. The spores of this organism lurk in many foods under the right conditions. Lack of oxygen, low acidity becomes active and liberate their toxin. Sausages are the classic example of type of food that can be affected. And the word botulism in fact derives from the Latin botulus meaning sausage. What so this this botulist what was scroll back up again. I feel like I picked this up at a weird place. Serious acts of salt Peter one of the most deadly substances known to mankind is produced by clostridium, botulinum bacteria.

2:35:31Seven million times more toxic than cobra venom. Botulin poisons its victims by blocking the actions of neurotransmitter acetylcholine symptoms can range. Okay so this is the symptoms from botulism. Assault Peter come from botulism. So one of the okay one of the serious aspects of is one of the most deadly substances known to mankind is this botulism bacteria. Okay botulism could be prevented by the appropriate use of sodium nitrate discovery that actually became about in an accidental fashion. Salting of meat is an ancient method of preservation based on the ability of sodium chloride to kill bacteria by drawing out much of their water content about 500 years ago.

2:36:11Some clever cook noted that the effectiveness of salt and preserving meat depends upon its source. Furthermore salt that work particularly well improve the meat's flavor and color. Okay the secret turned out to be an impurity potassium nitrate more familiar known as salt Peter. Okay so this is how they came up with it to combat botulism. Okay now what about how does salt Peter work and what's the point of it? Why would people take it? I don't understand.

2:36:42Mm hmm what does it say? You wanted to add about priest crack was the original thing. Yes because this is what we had always heard when we were kids that they would give priest salt Peter to suppress their carnal urges. So here it's salt Peter known for use many purposes in the past including as a curing agent key compound of gunpowder. Man this stuff does everything. Yeah but what about sexual urges?

2:37:14Hmm they debunked the myth about salt Peter lowering libido or sex drive. It's false it's a myth it's been going around for years. The myths started when what does it say let's see where the myths started. Why don't we go with QR? I'll just try military times. Okay but if you see that where it says there top answer. I know those are all QR things those are just those are message boards essentially. Right but I would just like to see what that person on the message board says. I think it's kind of interesting. The myths started with the military see this article from snopes popular myth promoted by youngsters in boarding schools interesting.

2:37:49Summer camps as well as men in the military in prison some boys or men use this as an excuse for sexual performance problems. Doctors and pharmacists have debunked the myth about salt Peter lowering the libido prostate or sex drive. Even if some ignorant random prison did this to a group of inmates they've proven it would not have the negative effects people keep saying it does. But that doesn't prove that they didn't do it. Right. They're just saying it wouldn't work. It doesn't work so maybe they like tried to use it against maybe it was like a theoretical thing that they thought was going to you know like wasn't that like Spanish fly.

2:38:26Do you remember Spanish fly? Yeah that's the one cause be on the brand about right? Yeah that's the creepiest tape ever. The creepiest he had a bit about it. And then he did an episode about it. They did an episode where it says like barbecue sauce or something like that. He's a special barbecue sauce to get everybody horny. What a weird guy. How did by the way no one I guess in the 80s people had a lot of blinders on but he's just like he's like hey I got an idea for the episode like maybe it's like you know we're doing you know the Huxedible family and I just make my barbecue sauce and all the chicks want a fuck you're like wait what?

2:38:59Not even. Why would you do that on the show? Family sitcom. I thought we were going to do like Theo gets in a fight and then we have to talk to him about like keeping his grades up. The importance of homework. Yeah right. Like it's just so out of the ordinary for what that show was. And he's like now I really listen on the star and it really means a lot to me that we do this episode. Like how strange. So I think Spanish fly was another myth that people thought was real. And I remember hearing about it when I was a kid that you could give a girl a thing this whatever this Spanish fly was find the what's the origin of Spanish Spanish fly?

2:39:31I stumbled across something crazy about this salt Peter stuff. Yeah. I'm trying to read it. I was trying to read through as fast I could give you a quick answer. There is a job. It says in like Sweden I had to transfer this salt Peter welder. Profession whose task consists of collecting urine soaked earth in order to make more salt Peter because they used it in ammunition. So they had these barns were piochus. It says you're pissing men. I was trying to get it here. And that's how they make gum powder? Yeah you'd piss on the ground into the soil and then they'd get enough of that stuff together finally and then you could make some gunpowder out.

2:40:10How much how much experimentation did it take to figure out that like now this and do it wasn't if I piss on the ground I could make gunpowder you're like how do you figure that out? It wasn't dude it's a long story all right I was doing a lot of stuff this weekend. Well year was this 1830 oh my god. 1600s they fixed this figure this out. Oh my god that is wild. Yeah they hold on stop go scroll back up a little bit what is this in here. All peasants the priest made sure that no one was forgotten were forced to deliver their imposed quota of salt Peter's soil along with ash wood and coal to the nearest simmering plant.

2:40:48The obligation was replaced in 1634 by a salt Peter tax the salt Peter Jews let's always the Jews now instead came to collect the soil themselves from under the farmers barns. The salt Peter taxes replaced in 1801 by an obligation for each mantle to annually supply one half what does that say L .I. pound of salt Peter to the state wasn't mean to this was transferred what is L .I. pounds sweetish okay 1830 the salt Peter tax ceased entirely the farmers were required to have wooden floors in the barns in order for this salt Peter formation to take place they were required to have wooden this is crazy the peasants complained about these impositions and about the visits of the suds the simmering lasted annually from May 1st to September 29th the simmering consisted continued for six to seven days or until an egg could float on the surface at this time lime and ash were added which cause which caused the included common salt to crystallize and could thus be removed the whole thing was then allowed to cool down to about 25 degrees when the salt Peter began to crystallize the raw salt Peter was then transported to the gunpowder mills the boilers had the to have the right to take fuel for the cooking is the simmer does that mean that they made like a little pond of pee urine and they poured chemical sounds like it's a little bad I don't know what it would be it says it's simmering well they must have had a vat of it they must have had like a big cauldron of piss piss dirt that they cooked and you can float an egg on the surface oh dude bro how did someone figure it out to your point how we're so lucky we live now oh my god I don't want to live in the time where I got a piss on the dirt to make gunpowder people are going to be saying that about the in the future about this time god i think i we didn't live in the time where they were fucking the whole country was at war of the stupidest shit controlled by this media that was completely controlled by corporations and everybody was being gaslit and people willingly gas lit themselves i've always i've always felt the one um you know if you could try to gas like like just say if we survive and things improve morally like what we would look back on and be like holy shit they yeah and the two to me were always uh was always war and uh prison and especially like non -violent you know like prisoners like but even violent prisoners you'd almost think like well they didn't figure anything else out right like they didn't figure anything else out other than but the idea of like putting non violent like victimless criminals in a fucking cage right like human beings you just throw them in a it's slavery dude like that's just that but you profit off of it yeah so you have private prisons that are actually at corporation that lobby to make sure that certain laws stay on the books so that you could keep your prisons stocked with live people that are essentially batteries that generate money for you and and just the fact that that's still going on while we have all of these technological advancements and you know like if you go you know you go down to like st.

2:44:04Jude's or something like that and they're like dude they have all of this technology because all of these brilliant people are here to save babies lives you know what I mean like that's going on yeah and then also there's war still yeah like we haven't figured out a different way like everybody doesn't just agree like listen obviously to just go on mass slaughter campaigns and I have nothing but destruction is and nobody's interest so here's how we're going to solve right these conflicts like it's just it does seem that like if if human beings survive for another hundred years and and we you know are at a higher moral level we would look back at that the way we look back at you know which hunts or like slavery or something like that it's like that's insane that people were so evil you know that they would like they could do such such evil stuff and then we could do such evil stuff in the age of information yeah yeah yeah like very and maybe maybe we are like moving in that direction where you know it does seem for sure I think that the fact that the war in Gaza has had more images coming out of it than any other conflict that's a huge part of the reason why there's so much technology that's everywhere everyone is a cell phone very hard very hard I think me and you might have talked about that last time I was on right but it's like even the war in Iraq which is not ancient history you know it was it was still going on I mean second we still got troops there now but like the video footage that would come out would be like you know it almost look like a firework like kind of exploding which is that that's easy to see and root for you know what I mean like yeah good guys kicking ass but when you're seeing a baby being pulled out of rubble who is just suffocated to death oh that's tough tense on fire they were hit by missiles that's really really tough dude it's really tough to find a way up there's still people out there who will find a way to try to justify it but it's tough it's it's much tougher well that's sort of the divide today the divide today is objective reality versus what have you been saying there's objective reality versus you have a narrative the narrative is Israel has to defeat Hamas Hamas is usually human shoulders human shield rather that's the narrative the objective reality is blown apart children and not just one like tens of thousands of innocent people dead yeah I was just I was just watching this this interview on plankton on the doctor's name but it was Dave DeCamp was interviewing him who's by the way phenomenal one of the best reporters in the in the country DeCamp Dave D .E C .I .M .P Dave is his Twitter handle he's phenomenal he's great dude he's great he's one of uh he's he's over at anti -war .com he's what like Scott Horton's guy by the way my guy Scott Horton just uh I just just gave you and Jamie a copy of the book unprovoked is uh is gonna be out I think in the next week or so um I'm sorry provoked I don't mean to say unprovoked that it's provoked book .com the best book written on the the history of the Ukraine Russia conflict and how America just blew it at every single opportunity anyway so he so Dave DeCamp is interviewing this guy uh who's a doctor he's an American who went over to Gaza and he's a doctor and he had been there was a big piece in the New York Times written about this where he said that every day that he was there every single day they'd see they'd treat toddlers with bullets to the head that they were just constantly seeing this and then he says that he also talked to a whole bunch of other because so his working theory on this was but when he first started seeing this so he's in this one area in Gaza and he was embedded there for a few months working at a hospital and he figured there was like some lone sadistic sniper out there you know what I mean like these things happen in war but then he started talking to doctors from all other points of Gaza who were there at all different times who all said the same thing that they're getting toddlers with bullet and then when the New York Times published this they uh a bunch of people who were defending Israel started being like this isn't true blah blah blah the Israeli most moral fighting force in the world so he published the X -rays he's like okay you know I'm a doctor I have the X -rays right here they published them it's just 100 % is happening like it's just so what is happening I mean Israel's been on a mass slaughter campaign of a captive people for over a year now you know and they're shooting babies evidently I mean there's a doctor who's he's an American he's claiming it happened and he has X -rays so yeah it seems like that's what's going on there and I mean look I it's it's obviously just so horrific man the whole thing so it's it's really amazing to me the way to watch the way people will rationalize and justify what Israel's doing it takes so much mental gymnastics and it's always got to like rely on you know it just it lets you know it's like oh so I get it you see it's like oh how human beings through all of human history have had slavery and and genocides and ethnic cleansing campaigns and at every step there's someone there who's willing to justify it and explain why we have to do this because this is the only way and really we're acting in defense that's what they all claim it's what the Nazis claim so they all claim they're really acting in defense Jesus Christ but uh it's we're gonna look back on this time the way people look back on concentration camps the way people look back on the Mongol campaign the way people look back on the inquisition we're gonna go how how did they do this how were you allowed to just like and it's it's amazing the way people can compartmentalize it too you know what I mean like it could just be like hey there's somebody who could be a totally loving dad and a good husband and all like that but then can go to war commit like unspeakable horrors on other people is just like they put that over here you know it's very hard to to think about that or understand it but unless you talk to someone who's done it and they yeah it's this is one of the most important things the messages that I want to get to trump and one of the things that um I'm excited that Bobby Kennedy is interested in this as well is psychedelic therapy for veterans I think if there's a way to understand the benefits of psychedelic therapy for everybody the real pathway is through veterans who I think are the most needing of it the most deserving of it the most the most neglected in terms of the the just the horrors that they experience and having to carry this around their mind and that there's a way that many people have experienced relief and it's not available to them and it's not something that's dangerous it's not something that's addictive you literally can't you can't even eat enough psilocybin to kill yourself so I can't do it you wouldn't be able to consume it so why and it's and it's been demonstrated to really help and here's what's most important all of it became illegal in the sweeping psychedelics act of 1970 that was designed by the Nixon administration so that they could demonize anti -war protesters so they could they could arrest anti -war protesters civil rights protesters the black panthers they made all that stuff illegal because all these counterculture people were all using that to completely change the programming that they received in society think about the irony of that like the deep deep irony that they made this stuff illegal because they thought if it was out there they wouldn't be able to get their wars so they make it illegal and they get their wars and then it turns out that this is the thing that helps the people that are traumatized coming back from war but you can't have it because it's illegal well it's the clearest shifting is that irony it's something like that it is irony it is irony because it's the pathway to help for a lot of these guys that come back you ask them to do unspeakable things in modern society that are against a law and you force them to do it you go force them to go kill people they see their friends killed yeah then they come back here and there's no tools when there are tools so but they have to go to Mexico to utilize these tools they have to go to Costa Rica in the Amazon they have to go to all these different places because it's illegal in the very place that sent them over there the very place that tells them it's legal for you to go kill people that you've never met but it's not legal for you to take psilocybin that might help you get over the fact that you killed people here it's I know my my buddy Michael Heiss who he just started a media company called a dissident media he's been big on this this is like he's like an activist who's been working on like the decriminalization of psilocybin for years and that's one of the major reasons because it helps these soldiers so much we need to be kinder all of us to each other we need to at this moment in time especially and I've seen a lot of people saying we have to just accept the results which I think is wonderful we do have to accept the results but also we have to remember that we are one team this is team USA and there's plenty of room for everybody we all want the same things we all want to be healthy one we want to protect our loved ones we want to be safe and we want to prosper everybody wants the same thing you want to be able to do what you want you want to be able to have a happy life and a healthy life this is the one shot that we get at this experience we can all do this together we can all do this and one of the ways that people can come to these conclusions and realize that we're all connected is through psychedelics I'm not saying that they're a perfect pathway I'm not saying that it's good for everybody I think it's dangerous for some people particularly people that have a hard time with regular reality if regular reality is slippery for you if you have psychiatric conditions maybe that's not the thing for you but for most of us it would benefit us and we should have been exploring this and it was stopped 54 fucking years ago by a corrupt government that wanted to squash anti -war protests at a car that I showed you when I was explaining to you such a cool car that car exists because of drugs the ones afterwards suck yeah the reason why the ones afterwards suck is that's a 1969 Nova when you get into the 1970s cars turned to dog shit it's exactly after they cut off the psychedelics no one's making a good car on cocaine you need the psychedelics to make a cool car yeah all the designs they all turn to shit yeah the classic cars are cars from the 60s and the 70s and the early 70s that's what people want nobody wants 80s cars yeah they don't want them they're worth nothing like nobody gives a shit about it very interesting 1969 Corvette you look at you like whoa look at that thing because their designers were doing drugs man they were wild people were doing their artists the music look at the music which in the 1960s and then go into the 1980s like what the fuck happened yeah we had Hendrix and the doors and the Beatles we had this wild experimental stuff yeah then if you've ever done psychedelics you listen to that music and you're like oh I know what inspired this this is pretty easy to tell the entire grateful dead catalog yeah all the psychedelically inspired and you almost have to be on psychedelics to appreciate them that all was squashed by this desire to stop people from protesting and a horrible unjust war yeah and look man I mean that I think that's a great message to get to Trump like let these guys like they were they were like the bravest amongst us who got totally tricked and bribed and propagandized into going to these wars and then they come back and they're blowing their brains out by the tens of thousands yeah and there's something that might help yeah that is very low risk of of almost no risk of like actually hurting and it really might help no risk of addiction even better than that man would just be keep us out of these wars let's just not fight a man let's just and look I will say this is one of the things that I'm really optimistic about is that of that team that we were talking about earlier that Donald Trump's got around him you know all those people like Elon Musk and and uh the fake Ramaswami and JD Vance and Tucker Carlson and and all these guys at David Sacks David Sacks probably the best they're so good on Ukraine every one of them like they're all just like yeah no this makes no sense this is a such a clear cut situation where you could easily make a deal Vladimir Putin and I know I've talked about the Sun Pass shows and anybody go listen to those and go read Scott Horton's amazing book provoked but just to just very quickly it is all but accepted at this point nobody's even to be when I first uh came on the first podcast that we talked about Ukraine wherever the few years ago now when I said oh there was a peace deal like that was agreed to in principle by Ukraine and Russia and then Boris Johnson came in to on behalf of the US to make sure they didn't negotiate a peace and kept the war going there are a bunch of people who were like oh that's not true and blah blah blah and there's and now it's just been totally like fit like that 100 percent I was right about that they had a peace deal worked out and then since then the um the guy whose name I always butcher but it's norwegian so I don't know how to straw slberger the head of NATO he came out and said and he was bragging but he goes you know Vladimir Putin before he invaded Ukraine told us that if we just put it in writing that we would not bring Ukraine into NATO that he wouldn't invade and we told him no because we won't be bullied by you so he's like bragging about how they had an opportunity all they had to do was say we will not bring your biggest neighbor into our military alliance which is very clearly against you the most reasonable demand now I'm not saying it's reasonable that he invaded that's not reasonable but it is a totally reasonable demand if the US was to say now Mexico can't be a part of China's military alliance you know like it's super reasonable so that's so he's got so many great people around him on that but I don't it's not exactly the same with the Israel Gaza war where he it seems like a lot of the people around him are not so great on that some of them are some of them are really good on it but I'm really hoping he could a podcast with you me and him now you speak in my language let's go David let's do it let's go I'll listen I've been I voted for him I've been supporting him and stuff yeah but you know I think I would love to do that but I just I think whether it's me or not I just hope that he gets the message through somehow that and I know it's a complicated thing to to navigate because Israel has a lot of influence on our government and they've got and he's got people like Vivek Ramaswami and Tucker Carlson who really are non interventionists and don't want to see American taxpayer dollars being used to fund wars around the world no matter who it's for you know like it's like hey we're broke we got our own problems here and we can't afford to do this but then he also has um Mary Amadelsen who cut him 100 million dollars and is probably going to give another 100 or 200 million dollars to congressional candidates in the next midterm election and all of this at her she is singularly focused on one issue and that issue is that we always unconditionally and unwaveringly support Israel no matter what they're doing let's do it bro Dave Smith you're a fucking national Trevor Treasure not you you really are you're a national treasure you're you're so important and the fact that you can talk about these things you have such great recall but you're also funny is so important you know I'm so happy you're out there well thank you and that means a lot to me particularly just because it's coming from you dude and I'm like dude I've been so goddamn impressed with you since well before I ever knew you and I'll tell you after the last couple weeks dude I'm like I I just can't even believe it I can't even believe it's real dude but thank you thank you for having me again my pleasure and anytime we'll do it again thank you wrap it up all right bye everybody