#2232 - Josh Brolin

27:03Do you remember when Jenny McCarthy had a kid and their kid at autism and she thought that autism had possibly come from vaccines and they basically ran around a Hollywood. But why would they do that? What's the reason? What are they benefit money? Well, the thing is, during the Reagan administration, the vaccine companies, pharmaceutical drug companies that are making vaccines, they said we are unable to make these vaccines if we're liable. Because if we're liable, there's too many lawsuits are going to come our way, because vaccines cannot be completely safe and effective, just by virtue of the mechanism in which they work.

27:43You know, you have an irritant, you have this virus, this dead virus, your body sees the aluminum or whatever it is, it reacts to that in a negative way and it finds the dead virus, it develops antibodies, just by the way they work. When you vaccinate a enormous amount of people, you're gonna have a certain amount of people that have a negative reaction. if we have lawsuits for every person has a negative reaction, we're going to throw out a business. So they made them immune. They made them immune. And you know what happened? Immediately they're like, well, you need a vaccine for this. You need to go vaccine.

28:14And they came in, they made babies. Hepatitis B vaccines, babies. Right, when you're born. Why were you born? Why were you born? You know, there's also doctors that say, it doesn't even really work for babies. But what you're doing is you're conditioning the parents to accept the fact that your child's going to get regularly vaccinated. My doctor, fortunately, our pediatrician wanted to put the kids on a different schedule, a slower schedule. And he didn't want them to have any vaccines until they were two. Your doctor in California? Yes. But it was not like a crack. It was like, I think the way to do it, I mean, there's a schedule of vaccines, your kids have to get unless you have religious exemption.

28:55But let's not assault your children with a potential poison. because everybody is different. If I take a bong hit, I might end up under the table. If you take a bong hit, you actually may feel smarter. And clear, I remember Dean Potter, who was a climber, and he was like a stop smoking pot for four months, but when I started smoking pot, I could feel the hold. At 2 ,000 feet, sheer cliff, nothing underneath no ropes, but I felt more confident. And for me, I go, if I took a bong hit, I don't know. There, I could be four feet up and be freaking out. Right. It's different for everybody. Yeah, everybody has different brains.

29:33It's like psychopharmaceuticals Mm -hmm. Let's just give them all lithium or let's give them all that you have to Experiment the idea of experimenting with that shit is super scary It is it is super scary and it's also super scary when you're not liable for any of the repercussions and You're just pushing it on people because your corporation and corporations just want to make money their thing is just just unlimited growth. They just have an obligation to their shareholders. Every quarter they want to make more money, and they just keep ramping it up. Like we're really all this year. Yeah, we're really, really, all this year.

30:06I'm sign filled talking about that. He was like, I remember back in the 70s and comedy, you know, green rooms and all that, and we'd all be fucking with each other. And it had never had anything to do with money because nobody was really making money. Like money money. Like tons of money. It was just about what set are you going to do? What are you trying out? Right are you gonna fail or you're not gonna fail? Yeah, but it was this community again, and I think that things have grown into not that I wanted to talk about this Or they've been thought about it before but the money thing is a very interesting thing to me You know, and if you want to take it back to the book which we know about later money is like the anti -celebrity It's like how do you stay grounded?

30:45How do you stay accountable? And why would you stay accountable because I actually give a fuck about people instead of just being in it for myself. Yeah. And I think that's the difference. Well, I think one of the things that happens to people with money is you didn't have money when you were young, now also you have money, and you get really scared about losing that money. Yeah, you get scared. It's going to go away because now you realize, oh my god, it's so much better. Not have to worry about your bills, and so much better to have some money to buy things. Yeah, I told you. And then you start thinking only about money and start making decisions only for money.

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33:27They start wanting to make money. How can I make some money? I need to make some money. I spent all my fucking money. But look at, I wonder if there's any connection with Philipsy Moreoffman, one of the greatest actors that ever lived. And I've known his mother since I was doing theater in Rochester, New York. It was like a 20 -year -old, 21 -year -old, and she would come up to me. She said, I think you're a fine actor. And I go, oh, thank you very much. And she goes, you know, my son just moved to New York. Like, he wants to be an actor. And I said, oh, what's his name? Phil. Phil's the same.

33:57Oh, well, tell Phil Goodluck. Goodluck to Phil. And it's like anybody who wants to be an actor, or just the odds of it happening is just not going to happen. And then Phil became this guy, 22 years of sobriety, who had an inkling in the beginning and said, you know what, I don't want this to control my thing. So I'm not going to do it. I'm going to give everything I am to acting, and I'm going to try to make the best career, theater, career, movie career, whatever. And then, again, I have it in the book, where I see him on the street and I'm crazy and I've gotten into a fight with my wife and I'm walking down Columbus Avenue and I have cords on I have no shoes I have no shirt on my wife and out of my fucking head and I look to my left and I see Nick Nolte at a cafe and we lock eyes and I've never met Nick Nolte I've never seen him and it will happen that I actually will have a relationship with him later on but we lock eyes and the moment is he's seeing in me what he used to be or saying in me what I'm to become.

35:01I'm saying it's what I'm to become later, right? Right. Then I see Phillips, he more off, man, who's standing there tall. I go, hey, Phil, it's Josh. What's up? You doing so well, man, fuck. Good for you to. No, no, no, no, no, shoes. No shoes. And he's standing there with one foot pointed toward me and another foot pointed in the direction that he wants to go. You know how people stand there? Like, could you see, man? Yeah, good. Good. Oh, no. Now, how is that the guy that died of a heroin overdose? Did he get injured? No. No. He just got back on it. Because sometimes what happens is people get injured.

35:45I know. And they have surgery and then they have back and then they get on, you know, oxycodne me too. I know a lot of people that's kind of been the trajectory. No pain, nothing. To me, there's another parallel and the parallel is, I just want to make money. Finally, I'm sick of doing independence, I'm sick of doing this and not making any money. And then you start doing whatever he was, hunger games or something. And then you feel hollow. And then you want to fill yourself. We're talking about, right. You want to numb yourself up because you feel like a whore. You feel like a whore. It's like there's one thing about actually finding solace and saying, hey, man, I'm older, I'm going to do this movie, I get it, I would like, you know, I got college coming up for my kids, and you justify it in a way that's okay.

36:25And then there's one thing about you've identified yourself so much as an artist that to release yourself from that identity in other people's minds, again, going back to the ego, that you just fucks you up. You just can't deal. And then you want to escape from your reality. Exactly. Yeah, you want to numb yourself. Yeah. Well, that is a real fucking thing, man. And if you've ever done a project where it's like really, I did a really bad sitcom once. And I remember - Oh yeah, yeah, it was terrible. And I remember while I was doing it, I was just imagining like, what if this is my life? What if this stupid piece of shit sitcom goes for like 10 years?

37:0110 years. And I have to keep, because there's sitcoms that inexplicably are very successful or were the 90s. And very successful. And they were terrible. They're terrible. But people love them. Well, people want to be eating ice cream. They just want to slack draws, sit in front of the computer or whatever the TV and eat spaghetti, I was just fucking numb themselves to some mundane bullshit. And if you're doing that kind of a thing, you live in hell. And a lot of those people that do those things, they wind up doing drugs, because they just feel very lost. If you do that and you're doing, you live in hell.

37:34Yeah, you live in hell. Which it is, to me. It sounds crazy to a person listening. Oh, you're making $50 ,000 a week. How are you living? You're living in hell. Like what are you talking about? No, no, no, no, that's not the point. That's great. That would be amazing. But if you want to do a thing, if you want to be a great comic, or you want to be a great actor, and you have to have incentives. You have to have, you have to want to create something really good. And when you can't create something really good and you're just doing it for money, you feel trapped and you feel like shit. And then you have to reward yourself for this stupid fucking thing you do.

38:04So what do you do? You go out and buy a nice Mercedes, you get a fucking house in Malbo. And I have a large monthly nut that you have to cover. But when you take people over your house, like look how I'm with it. Look at this ocean view. Come on. How much of this house do you use? Nothing. Almost nothing. Bye. I always say to my friends, my young comic friends that are coming up, your house is just your house. I remember when I first got a nice apartment when I moved to North Hollywood in 1994, I got a loft apartment and a pool table in it and a nice stereo and I was like, this is incredible. I have a nice apartment, this is amazing.

38:37And then after a while, it just became my house, it became where I live. And I realized at that moment, I was like, oh, it's all the same feeling. Like, oh, you needed a house as it to be comfortable. You need a TV in a kitchen and that's not supposed to be bad. It's not supposed to be the place that you sleep. Yeah, it's a place where you relax. It's not the place where you live the entirety of your life. You can relax almost anywhere that's comfortable and safe. That's all you need. And then everything else is kind of bullshit. It's kind of the things that you get for your money. So there's a lot of things that people spend a lot of money on and they're not really worth it.

39:11You don't really get anything out of it. That's why it was interesting walking in here and man cave, I hate that fucking to her man cave, man cave. You know, it's a gay cave. You know, it's a gay cave. Well, it's man cave because no woman would ever let me decorate this place this way. But it's not that no woman wouldn't like it. I think there's, there's some. Well, my wife likes it when she comes here. That's what I'm saying. She doesn't want to live in it. She doesn't want to live. Do you want to live in it? No, I wouldn't want to live here. But I might, if I was like a single guy, I might decorate my house like this.

39:40But it's things. The point is that there's things when I walked in here, it made me small because I started seeing things that inspire and you like to surround yourself like if somebody comes in and does an interior design of your office. Ugh. Yeah. And they go we brought in this amazing fabric from Paris. And you go but I don't like it. And I remember when we were doing our house we were like I said look man you can get things from target. I don't want to feel that people have to take that I don't want anybody to feel that they have to take their shoes off. That's what I don't I want them to feel that they can scuff up the floor because that's the mark that they made when they walked in my house.

40:19And maybe I don't even like the scuff. I don't like that they walked so heavy. But it's their mark. We are leaving our mark. So I said, that's not feel about this table. That's what this table is all he stains on it. Seriously, it's good. It has character. Yeah, it's a lot. And that's the thing is like when we built our, or the ranch, I said, there were shelves. I said, I want linoleum or what is it? from Ica, Linoleum on the shelves. And we have 150 year old barnwood, but along with Linoleum, because Linoleum reminds me of like trailer parks and show it. Just makes me fucking smile. So I saw this thing when I walked in, because I have one, and that is Ralph Stedman's print that you made.

40:58Oh, okay. The Hunter's story. So Ralph Stedman, Johnny Depp gave me Ralph Stedman's number, because he was close with Hunter. And my son was graduating, my son's an artist and he was obsessed with Stedmond, right? And I called Ralph Stedmond and he's, hello. And I said, hey, I said, listen, you don't know me. I'm a friend of Johnny's and it does. I said, you know, my son's graduating. And like the greatest gift I could ever get him. And this is not just to throw Stedmond under the bus because it comes full circle. But he says, I said, my son's graduating. Can you do like a little thing? I'll pay you for it.

41:32Can you do just draw a little thing for him? For his graduation, there was a long, long pause. And he goes, Why the fuck would I do that? And so that conversation went nowhere. And then 20 years went past and my book is designed by one of his proto -jets. Oh wow. And then so Joey Feldman, he called me one day and he said, he said, Ralph wants to send you a print. And I said, no way. Does he know or that we have like a history? And he said, no, I don't think so. So I sent him a voice memo of the history. And I said, never held it against you. I totally understand it. So he sent me one for my son and one for me.

42:19And I had to hang it up in my house. That's cool. I love having that thing, man. He was an interesting artist. He is very interesting artist. Yeah, I should say, but I mean, the stuff that he did, it's like, that's also in that Gonzo documentary where it talks about how Hunter gave a massive and mushrooms and he just started fucking writing drawing to a really crazy shit. And like the thing for, do you remember the thing he did for the Kentucky Derby is decadent and the first thing wasn't it? I think that was how they got together. To find that, the Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved. Yeah.

42:53It's a really good article actually. Well, that was fast, dude. Yeah. But look at that. That article is fucking amazing. It's amazing article. favorite 100 pieces. And I don't think that they spend a lot of time together, but I think - Hunter in him? No, I don't. There's a lot of it in the documentary where they're hanging out together. Really? Yeah, he picks them up at the airport and his VW bug. No, I know it exists, but I don't think that they spent the amount of time that you would think given that they collaborated so much. I think Ralph was back in Britain and Hunter was, I know, look at that.

43:27Look at that. See, that's the kind of shit. Do you miss that? Like, it's part of driving your car and all that. That's the thing from the... Put your headphones off for a second. Yeah.

43:39Take the thing out for an honest run down the coast. I would start in Golden Gate Park. I think you can only at a run a few long curves to clear my head. Nah, it's so good. The wavering alcoholic off the wagon, but in a matter of minutes, I'd be out at the beach with the sound of the engine in my ears, surf booming up on the seawall and a fine empty road stretching all the way down to Santa Cruz. There was no helmet on those nights, no speed limit, and no cooling it down around the curves.

44:15I love seeing the sand in the road. Then into second gear, forgetting the cars and letting the beast wind out, 35, 45. Then into third not worried about green or red signals only some other wearable floating. Now there's no sound except the wind.

44:37The needle leans down on a hundred. Wind burned eyeballs strange to see down the center line no room at all from mistakes. That's when the strange music starts. That's right.

44:59The edge, there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. The others, the living, are those who pushed their control as far as they felt they could handle it and then pulled back or slowed down. But the edge is still out there.

45:26That guy was fucking amazing. It's great. It was great. It was fucking amazing. What do you love about his writing and what type like fear and loathing? Well, I was just reading Hell's Angels recently actually. That's the book that I go back to. Well, that's really him when he was starting, right? That was the beginning of the sort of gonzo journalism stuff, because he was kind of mixing in fiction with reality. That's one of the things that pissed off the Hell's Angels. He took a lot of liberties with the truth to try to like paint a picture. Right. Which was his deal. Which was his style later on.

46:02It's like exaggerating and kind of romancing his own life. Well, he was out of his fucking mind. Out of his mind, but he was also one of the most brilliant technical writers that ever was. And that's what's forgotten. Like even people talk about Caroac and Caroac was like, you know, he rode on the road and he was on the road and it was the downrest Thompson type of thing. And you're like, you know, he edited on the road for seven years. Oh, wow. Then nobody knows that because Caroac kind of like, you know, we put forth this thing of like first thought, best thought don't edit it. It was again bullshit like it's total horse shit.

46:40Oh wow. That's why I say it goes back to writers. It's a labor. Yeah. You sit down and you write all the fucking time. My friend Ari on his laptop. He's got a little piece of paper above the keyboard that says the first draft of everything is shit. That's it's true. It's having a way. Yeah, having a way about that. Yeah. You You know, his first book, Hemingway's first book, was lost by his wife? What? She lost it? Yeah, she grabbed it for him and was on a train, and then she went to the bathroom and actually left the satchel on the seat when she came out of the bathroom. It was gone. Oh my God.

47:14Never to be found again. Oh my God. Yeah, I know. Can you imagine? Oh my God. All that work. Did that marriage work out? No, thanks. I bet you did on purpose. I bet you.

47:30I love writing. I love when someone's a really good writer because you just kept these like moments where you're like, yes. Oh yeah. Oh, that's it. There's a moment. Hunter had a lot of those moments where you're like, God, damn it. That's good. You have so many people who were great young and I know that there's a danger and a chaos within like the vortex within which they lived, but it couldn't survive. Do you know what I mean? When Hunter got, he was just too fucking alcoholic. And Dylan Thomas became too fucking alcoholic. And it's one of those things that you go, you were literally writing things that aren't possible.

48:11You were putting together like word smithing things that are magic. Yeah. How he was describing it's that thing. Whatever it is you're doing, how do you get to that place which most people can't touch? Well, you can't neglect your physical health. That's the problem is that in this chase for the muse and this dance you do with the drugs and the alcohol and the wild riding. And, you know, I'm sure you've seen Hunter S. Thompson's, there's a thing that a reporter he hung out with Hunter S. Thompson and detailed what a day in the life of Hunter S. Thompson is. What who was it? There's a there's a band called Beardy Man and Beardy Man took me and Greg Fitzimmons reading off Hunters Thompson's routine his daily routine before he writes and made a song out of it.

49:03It's fucking incredible Yeah, see if you can find that because the the routine was so insane and this was like really what he would do You'd wake up like a discipline the afternoon. No, no chaos. Okay, great full on K here

49:22Beauty man.

49:27Three PM rise. Shiv has wrinkle with morning papers. Three 45 cocaine. Another glass of shivas. Another done hill. Four or five. PM by the way, first cup of coffee. And a done hill. Four or fifteen cocaine. Another done hill. Three cocaine. Cocaine. Cocaine.

49:515 Often done health He had 97

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50:17start snorting cocaine seriously

50:2311 p .m. I don't know what that is cocaine and grass cocaine etc. etc. Underest Thompson is ready to write 6 a .m. in the hot tub with champagne 6 a .m. in the hot tub with champagne I'm a pain, six p .m. in the hot tub with champagne. So this is like an electronic dance music song that plays and clubs sometimes. Super funny, when did you do that? I was a long time ago, many years ago. Did you ever live like that? No, no, I've never even done Coke. Wow. Yeah, I've never fucked around with Coke. I like psychedelics, I like weed. I like a little alcohol every now and then, but I don't fuck around with anything that's gonna kill me.

51:11I'm not interested. Yeah. And I'm not interested in anything that helps my ego that boosts it up makes me I'm not interested in any of that. I like things that make me scared Mm -hmm. I like things that make me nervous like that's what I was talking about What do you I like to feel vulnerable? I like it. You like to challenge yourself. Yeah I think your perception and how you perceive certain things. I think I Like voluntary adversity physical, physical, voluntary, adversity, but also I think mental, voluntary, adversity, and I think that's what I like about, like, psychedelics. I think there's like a, you have to go on like a journey and you can't control it.

51:49It takes you somewhere. And then when you're back, you realize like you ain't shit. Just get all that ego stuff out of your system, relax and just be appreciative and enjoy life and try to spread as much positivity as you can. That's what you're here for. Do your best at everything you do. That's what here for. And how do you find yourself doing that once you're not on it? The incorporation of it into your life. Just remember, you know, I just, I, so there's profound moments where I think, you know, change you forever. And those, if you can hold on to them, some people don't hold on them. But it's a matter of intention, right?

52:25It's a matter of like, what are you trying to do? You're trying to be better at life? Well, if you're trying to be better at life, you can hold on to it. If you're not, if you're just trying to like be the man or you know exactly you know and get all the accolades or you know Win a fucking Grammy or whatever you're trying to do like if that's your real goal Like you're gonna get lost because it's a shitty goal. How old are you when you took a hallucinogen for the first time 30 That was 13. Whoa So that's a little too early. I wouldn't recommend that. I wouldn't recommend it either But it it changed my life It tried by the way I took it twice in a 24 -hour period So I took it 13 had the greatest trip ever like still affected by it Wow, and then I took it again that night and went to hell.

53:07Oh, no. I don't know yeah, cocky No Psychedelics what I've reggae doubt it. I just did what it did it did it did and I truly believe that psychedelics I don't do psychedelics anymore, but I think I did but I do breath work I do shit like that and you go can you get there and I go yeah I've had some of the most amazing hallucinations I've ever had most profound hallucinations. I've ever had Hoolotropic breathing Breathwork with layered going off and if you do it long enough you just reach a place or if you're in a sauna at 240 degrees for an hour doing breath work. Oh, yeah, you're gonna go places.

53:42Yeah, no doubt Sensor deprivation tank. You don't need anything and you trip balls if they could give you in a pill form What the experience you get from a psych from a sensory deprivation tank? It would be a very popular drug Yeah, and it's completely safe and a productive drug. Yeah, very productive. So there's sensory you say the sensory deprivation tank, but I just saw you can see it online or whatever where people literally put a thing they go into a room and they're silence. It's not like a You know, where they don't talk and meditation retreat or whatever But they literally go into a room by themselves.

54:15They don't see anybody else. They put a thick mask on and they're in for four days Oh, did you see that? I have heard of people doing stuff like that. Yeah. What about that? Well, I think being alone with your thoughts is uncomfortable for people and I think a lot of people avoid that. They avoid really thinking and you're forced to really think when you're in those sort of situations. You're forced to be alone with your thoughts. Scary. Well, we're always distracted. Especially now. People and devices and input and news and social media and there's constantly stuff coming in. and sometimes you don't, like how do I feel about everything?

54:52Like what do I even know? Do I ever really consider things? Like you need time alone, you need time to think. You know, that's what I really like about, but that's why I work out by myself. That's why I like to. You work out by yourself? Yeah. Yeah. Unless I'm having a trainer. I mean, I've had a lot of trainers. I appreciate them for technical advice and stuff like that, but there's a meditative aspect of working out by myself that I think is very important. It's also discipline. Like, it's easy to go somewhere and the guy tells you, okay, 10 reps, but I write my own workouts out. And that - Based on that day.

55:27Yeah, well, I know what I want to do. You know, I'm pretty good at it. So I - It's funny, I haven't heard many people say that, but I feel, and it's not just some bullshit, like, affectation, rebellious thing. When I'm with it, and I appreciate trainers too, and I've had workers and great trainers, but they make me want to do less. Why? You know they go do ten and I go but why I don't know you one of those I want to those assholes I One of those assholes, but I will actually push myself you say 12 just for random word a random number 12 is my limit I'm good at pushing myself to 15 or Jeff Cavalieri do you know that is no athlete next?

56:07Okay, I've heard of that guy yeah super smart guy Yeah, and we would go back and forth and I'd be like look if I'm in if I'm you know If I'm at my last three reps, why do we have to rest for two minutes? Like who said that? Who made that up? Is it really a recovery thing two minutes before you can go back into 12 more reps? What if we just rest 30 seconds and then you're right back into that thing almost immediately of what and those are the things that are tearing the tissues and growing the muscle and all that kind of stuff. So just experimenting with it all. Again, this all goes back down to what we watched of like what are we doing to just live a little more vividly?

56:44How are we pushing ourselves? How are we changing our perception? How are we pushing our perception? Well, it depends on what you're trying to do, right? If you're just trying to get like conditioned Yeah, give yourself the minimal amount of rest and do it for as long as possible and then take time off Afterwards for your body to heal and then it's a big after it. It's just a big But it depends on what you're trying to do if you're trying to get strong I always recommend taking out like long long periods of time in between sets I take like five minutes maybe even more in between sets to come back in at your strongest Yeah, but I have your body workouts my workouts like two hours sometimes two and a half hours Yeah, because I have these long breaks in between but because of that it's you know, Pablo Totsulinius He's one of the godfathers of kettlebells He's one of the first people that introduced kettlebells to America from Russia and Their their philosophy his fault is strong first philosophy is that strength is a skill and you don't work on a skill when you're tired.

57:38So it's all about how many repetitions you do, and that's what builds strength. So it doesn't mean you have to do 10 in a row. Like say if 10 is your max, say if you pick up a weight and you could do 10 cleans and presses, and on the 10th one you're like, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, his philosophy is do five. Do five, wait a long time, do another five. So you've got the 10 in, but you've got the 10 in it with perfect form. And then you're still getting the same amount repetitions, but you're not breaking yourself down at the point where you might get hurt or where you're doing it incorrectly or perform.

58:11So that's hard. I talked to my wife a lot about that. My wife would say because I got I'm all about form. Yes. Because otherwise you just get hurt and you get hurt. Yeah. I rarely get hurt from lifting weights and you've ever gotten hurt in jiu jitsu. Oh yeah. A lot. Oh, yeah, yeah, I've had surgeries and fucking bulging discs and torn this and torn that yeah, you have to I had I'm trying to kill each other

58:42He's trying to get really good killing people with your body so other people are doing that to you I had sciatica for a year and a half we Bats, I had a 9mm slip between F, no, L5 and S1. How'd you get rid of it? And they wanted to do surgery and I had had surgery when I was really young because I had a slip disc between C5 and C6 and they took out part of my hip and they went in through my neck, they moved everything over and they replaced my disc with part of my hip back when they used to do that. They used to play, replace your disc with part of your hip. Yeah, they would chisel out a part of your hip.

59:18a bone and that's what your disc was now a piece of bone. That doesn't even make sense. Your disc is supposed to be spongy. I know, I don't understand why. They put a piece of bone in there? Yeah, and it worked. It actually worked. Yeah, Dr. Delamorder, I never forget his name. Jesus. Mm. So yeah, and then they used cadaver bone for a while and now they use what? Well, it depends. There's artificial discs. I know a couple of people that have artificial discs. And it works. Yeah, my friend Eddie got it done in his lower back. He was basically bone on bone, constant inflammation. So you got a titanium articulating disc and it's in his back.

59:55What is this? Sergium may take a small piece of bone from the hip called an autograph to use it in a neck surgery called interior cervical dissectomy and fusion. The bone is placed between the space between the vertebrae to stimulate bone healing and promote fusion. Oh, so you got your neck fused. They call it a brulin graft. Oh, really? No. Hey. Hey. Wow. So yes, that's that's you got your hip your neck fused which they probably don't even do fusion They do they do if it's a if it's a massive break or something like that Yeah, I don't recommend it There's other ways you can heal bulging discs and one of them's there's a process called Regenne keen and Regenne keen is I had that done in LA in Santa Monica They used to do it in Germany used to have to go to Germany to do it and like Kobe Bryant went over there and Peyton Manning went over there And what they do is they take your blood out.

1:00:47It's like platelet rich plasma. But it's a more advanced version of it. And they spin your blood in the centrifuge and they add some stuff to it. And it turns it into like one of the most potent anti -inflammatories. And then what they do is you lie down there and they inject it in your back. They have like these little needles. I think there's an Instagram post of me getting it done on my lower back. Did you have a slip disk in your lower back? Bulging. Bulging. It's essentially a bulging disk, but it could go back. Or else your whole engine disc can go back. You also have to have traction, like decompression.

1:01:21So there it is. So that's my back. I had that done. So they take that and they stick all that shit. And they drill that, don't they? They just put it in the hole. No, it's needles. No, but I know it's needles, but it's not like acupuncture. They actually drill that, then they put that needle in, don't they? No, no, they just shove that needle in place. It's just like a syringe. On each side of your spinal column. Yeah, it's like a syringe and then inside the syringe they pump in the regent -a -king stuff. Yeah. And then it, uh, it fills your those, those areas up with this platelet -rich plasma that's been enhanced and it just heals everything.

1:01:57And did you feel like it helped? Oh yeah, absolutely. It felt, it helped my neck so, my neck was so fucked. Yeah. My neck was so fucked I was getting numb fingers and pain in my elbow because... I have that now. Do you really? Yeah. He should go go to the place. Yeah, and when I I ride motorcycles also. I have my hands up like, I mean, I have shoulder issues. But I have a, that slip disc was a nine millimeter slip. Why not do this? Why this? Look at that looks cooler. Does it, not to me. It looks super cool when you're doing it right now. This looks retarded. This looks good. This looks like you're gonna wipe things.

1:02:33Put it up super high. You can move around. Put it up super high. This is like, that looks retarded. When you have to turn, like how you gonna turn like that, you're not gonna do a good job. You look like a girl. This is better. That's it. What about that? This is better. What about this? Well, do Coddies? I mean, that's like you're down like that That's right. That's when I finally crashed was it do Coddy. Oh really you went crazy. No, I didn't go crazy I didn't do anything differently with parles you go slower right right right it's loud You know you're there Yeah, that's a big one. It's huge.

1:03:01They have electric bike sound like do you want to die? They're fast They're so fast, but you want to die? that nobody can hear you. If I'm writing in a grid of 16 guys, because everybody thinks hell's angels. I go, there's nothing about it that's trying to emulate hell's angels, mongles, any of that one percent or thing. But when you hear that rumble coming down the road, you can't wait to get the fuck out of the way. Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, that's true. That definitely helps you stay alive. Yeah, yeah, loud pipes save lives. I've heard that many times. So to finish that thought, But what I did was, is I went to, I started, instead of resting, which is what doctors normally say, they say, do surgery, do surgery, rest, sleep, see if that helps.

1:03:46If it doesn't help, do surgery. And I did the opposite, which later, you know, layered was like, anytime you get hurt, layered will be like movement, movement, movement, movement. But this was before all that. But I started working out, and it got worse, and it got worse, and it got worse. But I continued to work out. I started running and I started doing pistol squats and all this kind of shit and then one day it was Gone and it never came back really never came back. So he's beat it out of you. I beat it out of me Wow, yeah, yeah, movement is everything You need regulation and when you need blood in there, which is why they do PRP Which is why they do stem cell work or whatever?

1:04:22Yeah And if you're just sitting there the problem is you're also gonna your body's gonna atrophy You're gonna lose strength and then it's gonna make whatever Injured that air in the first place. That was always promoted by doctors Why would that always be promoted by doctors again? Whether it's politicians or whether it's doctors or whether it's they're telling you this is You got to eat from the four food groups man You're gonna die otherwise Well, you know that there's a lot to that stuff But the you know the Ford group four food groups shit is a lot of it people just not knowing what the fuck they're talking about what I mean and also There's a different perception back then of like what was healthy versus now But it's also a lot of these doctors They're not athletes and they don't really understand like what's possible with the body They just know how to fix things when they break right and then for the average person they say just rest Because the average person is not gonna fucking do what you're doing anyway So it's like why why tell him like what you really knew you go is movement constant movement and just beat that injury into submission That's right, and no one's gonna tell you that how I feel better loose in weight Yeah, like go go do that uncomfortable thing start walking start slow maybe jog a little bit Maybe lift a little something that's why when you see those videos of these guys that just For whatever is in their personality they've had fucking enough their 400 pounds and they go that's it Uh -huh buck stops here.

1:05:42Yep. I'm gonna start doing my shit. Yeah, they hit rock bottom They hit rock bottom. Yeah, and then you see this again What we were talking about before and center where they just go? I don't give a shit Well, it's not the same with everything. Isn't that how you quit drinking? You just hit rock bottom? I was just about to say that. Yeah, but you don't. I hit rock bottom when I was 15. I was shooting Coke at 15. So, yeah, the thing that you didn't want to try. I did want to try. But that was that group. That's why so many of those guys died. You know what I mean? So, when I look at Hunter S. Thompson, who I love as a writer, when I look at Dylan Thomas, who I love as a writer, and all these guys that had this kind of amazing life, and I feel too parallel.

1:06:20I had an amazing life except nobody cared about mine. People really cared about theirs. I was just Josh that you wanted to stay the fuck away from. Well that motherfucker is great to spend like an hour with. Once it hits 10 o 'clock and the moon comes out and the clouds part, you know what I mean? I mean, we're around. Yeah. But then you get to that point where you go, when did Hunter S. Thompson, when did these guys just become like like some kind of clown mask of themselves. Do you know what I mean? Well, in the end, Hunter was definitely that. You ever see when Hunter was on Conan O 'Brien's show?

1:06:56No. It was horrible. He could barely talk. He barely could understand him. His everything was bubbling. His was bubbling. It was real weird. And, you know, he was, he got a gun fight with his fucking neighbors. He was like shooting at his neighbors. That's what I mean. It's at what point does it turn? He was a full on drunk. But it wasn't just that. His body was like rapidly deteriorating. He had a hip replacement surgery and he was only 60 That's not old. No, no, not that old. That's young. That's old for you. 57. I'm 56 Yeah, like my mom died at 55 the whole thing this book became was my mom dying at 55 and me thinking back then She lived a nice long life.

1:07:36I'm not crazy It's fucking crazy and it turned out that I was 55 when I wrote the book which had never even And it the book kind of dictated itself and then I went holy fuck I'm 55. Wow. I'm super young. Fucking super young. But yes, I have some joint issues, but I'm young for the most part. For the most part. Yeah, you're physically healthy. You're not falling apart. You just have a few issues. Which is just wear and tear of life. That's it. Yeah, but there's some people that if you don't take care of yourself and you don't eat well and there's also a lot of other factors, genetic factors. but you could fall apart pretty quick.

1:08:13But if you're a guy like Hunter that's doing coke and drinking every night, you can't do that. No, you can't. It just won't, and the writing was bad. Like his writing, the only time he wrote anything good in later years was 2001, right after 9 -11. Right after 9 -11, he wrote this great piece. I want to say it was like for sports, he illustrated. I forget who he wrote it for, but he wrote this really great piece talking about what happens next after the Twin Towers fall. It's like he wrote this thing about waking up the morning, seeing the twin towers fall and then realizing what's Head for us, right?

1:08:47It was very pressing. It was very good. It was very it was accurate I mean now that it's dead on it was dead on and it was vintage hunter. It's like he tapped back into it again On ESPN ESPN. That's it Yes, and this is the article. Yeah, this is the article. Would you send me this article if it's an article article? Yeah, I would love that. Yeah. Um, this is, you know, this is the whole thing. Yeah. I mean, what's so great is it when you go, I mean, this is kind of popping all over the place But when you go back and you look at all the politicians whatever side You know, whatever whatever red blue they lean toward it didn't matter because hunter was there kind of looking for something different and it wasn't all about that.

1:09:32When it came down, they all describe hunters, but it's crazy, it was so much fun to hang out with them, but there was never a lack of he was super intelligent and wanted the best for everybody. He was a real patriot. He was a true patriot. Yeah, did you ever read fear and loading on the campaign trail? That's one of the more interesting pieces because you got this guy who's following around the campaign trail and he knows he's only in it for this one time. So he's not like any of these other reporters. He's just writing a book. Yeah, these are the people who are in the fire. Yeah, well exactly and not only that you can't He's gonna write a book like he's writing a book You can't fire what do you like?

1:10:07Yeah, what do you like it or not? He's writing that book But you know he's dropping acid. He's talking these guys in a drinking They're like he's taking all these like fucking nerdy political reporters Yeah, and he's introducing them to a perspective that they they're not aware of they don't know anybody like that Mm -hmm And the book is fucking incredible And when you see Gonzo when you see I was funny how much we're talking about when I was talking about him. But when you see Gonzo, I don't know if it was in Gonzo or another documentary, you see how they're affected by it. You see a humanity in them because of him that you don't normally get to see.

1:10:39Don't you agree? Yeah. Yeah. He made you question a lot of things. Yeah. And when people question things, they're like, what am I doing? Yeah. Why am I here? What is my purpose? Or did I have a purpose when I was young and I just fell into this political status quo? And he even was questioning, like in the documentary, he was like, I don't even know what people want anymore. They want Hunter S. Thompson or they want Gonzo. Like that's not even me anymore. It's like I'm a prisoner of this thing that I've created. Yeah. And that's that's the thing that happens to people where they they develop this sort of image and persona.

1:11:11Yeah. And then you feel like you're trapped by it. Yeah. You people have expectations when they meet you. Exactly right. Keniston talked about that. Did you know Keniston? No, unfortunately. Did you? I did. No, shit. Yeah, and not because of drugs just because I was around what year was this? When did he die a 90 -ish to 92 maybe I was in New York So it had to be pre 94 probably 90 somewhere around then I would say 90 I knew him 90 on it was through a friend that I met him and then he liked me wow and sweet incredibly sweet guy He was a motherfucker, dude We just got a this guy does bottle cap art.

1:11:52Yeah go to my Instagram Jamie and see that photo this guy just Made this insane bottle cap art piece of kinesan for my comedy club and we put it up last night Is he a hero of yours? Oh, yeah, he was one of the first That's all bottle caps like I know shit. Yeah, those are bottle caps Have you seen man? Yeah, that's like in prison when they use these cigarette packs and do Patricia Arquette gave me a piece of art with a bunch of cigarette packs. Oh really? Yeah they make frames. That was it. Oh wow. Yeah this guy with his name is Jam bottle cap art J .A .M. bottle cap art. He does a bunch of different pieces of bottle cap art.

1:12:35Yeah he's really good. It's really really cool stuff. You need my picture outside. I saw all your mug shots. I love to have a mug shot of you. I'll send you. Is it good? How fucked up Do you look pretty fucked up? I got a smile on my face when somebody smiles during a mug shot I was fine that really funny So when you met kinesin was it out of show was it just no? Oh, it might have been the comedy club Okay, I'd only been a comedy story. Sorry comedy store. He was out of there by then. He was out of there by 90 Well, what's the one down the road by where green blots used to be? Laughter yeah Yeah, yeah, you like those?

1:13:11I do. I love those. Very much. The laugh factory. The laugh factory. Might have been that. He got kicked out of the comedy store, I think, in like, 87 or 88. No, there would have been. Then it wasn't there. Yeah, it was probably the laugh factory. But that's not where I met him. I met him at a house. OK. I met him at a house. And I never went to a lot of those parties. I was just not part of that. Sam wasn't invited. Yeah. But I met him. And he was really sweet, man. and he would like, mallow out. It wasn't like a thing. It wasn't an act all the time. Right. You know? But he was a prisoner to that thing that he became.

1:13:46Of for sure. Yeah. His brother wrote a great book. It's called Brother Sam. It's really, really good book of describing like the ascent of his career and how it fucked him up and what happened to him. And what do you think it was? I mean, was drugs and partying and just... And stratospheric. Yeah. Wasn't it instantaneous? For how many? So in 1986 he's on Roddy Dangerfield's young comedian special and then he does an insane to this day holds up HBO Hour and then those two things and then an album that he made called Louder than Hell and those things are the best things he ever does. Everything after that becomes like a significant drop off and in the end he was basically a caricature of who used to be.

1:14:33Yeah, caricature of himself exactly. And he just was captured. Yeah. But it's also... Impresent. There wasn't anybody to tell you how to do it back then. There was only a few massively famous comedians back then. There wasn't a lot of us. There wasn't like today. Today there's like a giant community of comedians. We all talk to each other and figure it out together. And everybody's just about making better stuff. It's not about like getting hugely famous. The ones that just want to get hugely famous, they're all mentally ill and usually their career drops off, their comedy starts to suck. They're trying to do the wrong thing.

1:15:10So in Kinnison in the beginning, he just wanted to be the best he could be. He just wanted to be really fucking good at comedy and he coming from this, you know, tent preacher. So he's like this revival tent preacher and then he gets in a standup comedy and he has because this charisma and this ability to deliver that's so different than everybody else. And he's this short fat guy. So when he talks about being married, and living in hell, like kind of like empathize or like fucking guys amazing. And revolutionized comedy, changed comedy. He was the first guy that I ever saw that made me think I could do comedy.

1:15:45Because before then, I loved comedy. I always loved stand up. But I loved it because it was funny. I would just like to watch Jerry Seinfeld on TV. Oh, these guys are so funny. It's not funny because you're so different than he is and yet he was the one that you paralleled with, that liberated you? Yeah, well, he was wild. That was the thing. I never felt like I fit in. I always felt like I didn't want to be around polite people. I didn't want like, you know, of a girl wanting me to go over a house and have dinner with her parents. I was like, oh, Jesus, I'm fine. I think I'm fucking crazy. But I was a kickboxer.

1:16:17You know, I was a kid who had a went from, you know, when I was 15 years old, I got like deeply involved in martial arts. My entire social life up until like 21 -22 was just traveling around the country fighting and so my I was Ferrell my my mindset was just I just didn't fit in. I couldn't wear a suit jacket and pretend to be the guy Did you ever notice? I wasn't that guy. Hello sir. It's great to meet you things that I thought were funny other people would think were Fucked up but my fucked up friends would think we're funny and those are the ones who talked me into doing standup But they were equally fucked up.

1:16:51Did you start stand up back then? Boston in 88 and 88 yeah, right on yeah, and and I went to see kinesan in 89 I got to see him live in 89. I got to see him three times one time when I was working Wow, I was working at Greatwood Center for the performing arts and he was performing there Wow, and I got to see him live. I was a security guard. It was this place in Mansfield Yeah, the whole taekwondo team that I was a part of is that what you got? Yeah, that's what I used to compete in. Oh, no kidding. Yeah, where'd you compete out of? Jun Chong. Where was that? L .I. Okay. Yeah, I fought in L .I.

1:17:28when I lived in Boston. I fought in Anaheim in the National. Right on. I traveled all over the country competing. That's all I did. And one of the guys who work with us, one of the guys who trained with us, got a job as a security guard. And you know, the guy was like, hey, do you know any more guys who know how to fight? Like we need more guys like that to work for us. They just hired a bunch of us right and so we got to see all these crazy Concerts like I got to see Bon Jovi. I got to see Bill Cosby which was kind of Oh, yeah, I saw Rodney Dangerfield and Rodney Dangerfield was there was this backstage area Huh and Rodney Dangerfield was naked with a bathrobe on and that's how he would go on stage And the end of his career like Rodney would go and by the way murdered.

1:18:15I mean, I was fucking crying laughing. Yeah. He was probably, I don't know how old he was in 89. He was old. Yeah. And this fucking guy was just on stage with a bath robot naked. And giant hog was like hanging out with fucking pants. And he was just just hanging out, smoking pot. Then he would go on stage with a bath robot and just kill. But because he wanted to be comfortable. How did other How did other comedians feel about him? Oh, they loved them. Everybody loved him. Rodney was one of the most universally loved comedians because he helped other comedians. Like Rodney Dangerfield, he did these things, the Rodney Dangerfield specials, like Rodney and Friends.

1:18:59And so he would have, he introduced the world to Dice Clay, Sam Kinnison, Robert Shimmel, Lenny Clark, Dom Eirera, like some of the greats and they all came out of his Rodney Dangerfield and friend's specials. There were some of the greatest specials ever because he would have all these guys that he thought were worth seeing. And he would put them out there through the world and they all became superstars. I mean, that's how Sam Kinnis and Launched. He launched from Rodney. And so Bill Hicks, a lot of people launched from Rodney. And so everybody loved Rodney. He was just loved. I know he's your body.

1:19:34And I, you know, because comedians, I used to listen. and I used to have six albums and one was a bloody red vinyl. Remember the red albums? You see that album? Sure, yeah, yeah. And it was sick. And I don't know where I got them. I think I got them from like a flea market or something, but they were Lenny Bruce. Oh, yeah. And that was the beginning. He was the first. He was the first. He was the first real modern standup comedian. Everybody else just told jokes. Like two guys walking to a bar. Like that kind of shit. He was the first guy that was like, why do we do this? And why is that? What is this?

1:20:05We're questioned. it. Yeah. Yeah. And people would come to see him because in the 60s, everybody was so confused. It's like how to think like what? Yeah. What are we doing? And this guy was like this. And how do we treat each other? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Point people out and he'd go to Eve and Kai, come have some make and people would go. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. At the most tense time and then he'd bring it around and he that's why it reminds me of Chappelle. Mm -hmm. Because Chappelle would get so seemingly or ostensibly inappropriate and then somehow right around yeah and you go fucking.

1:20:39Dave's a master master and he's a real artist. That's a guy like you know I talk about like people that only start thinking about money. Yeah that's not him. That dude lives in fucking Springfield Ohio and just travels around and just does a lot of shows for no money. He does a lot of shows. Show shows up in performs. One time I was in Denver and I get off stage. It's a first show, a second show Friday night. So it's 10 o 'clock show, shows over. I get off stage. I go into the green room. Dave's there. I go, Dave, what are you doing here, man? I thought I'd come out and visit you. Just hopped on a fucking private jet and flies to Denver because he knew I was there.

1:21:15Didn't even tell me. Just shows up. And then I go, do you want to go on stage? He goes, oh, she would, I go, fuck yeah. So I ran out while the people were leaving. Showers are already over. I go, oh, oh, tell everybody on the stairs. Come back. Dave So they all come back in and sit down again. And he does like 45 minutes. And it was right around when Trump was doing it when he got caught saying, grab him by the pussy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're like, 10 minutes about, grab him by the pussy. Like, it was fucking genius. It was so good. Off the top of his head though. Oh, no, he, I mean, I don't know exactly how deep it is.

1:21:49How designed it is. Material, I think what Dave does, it spends a lot of time thinking and listening to music and coming up with ideas. And he writes some stuff down, but a lot of what he does is just performs constantly. He's constantly on stage working this thing out. You said it earlier, artist. He's a real artist. That's the difference between somebody who's just good at what they're doing. And somebody who is an innate artist. He's a real artist. He's a hero of mine. He's a hero of mine too. He's a good friend. But he gets these giant deals with Netflix where he makes a lot of money, which is great.

1:22:21But he doesn't do it for money. Yeah, he's doing it. No, but what you can tell is he gets these like oh he turned down 50 million dollars when crazy Move to Ohio or whatever the fucking story is that you want to make up But then he comes back he makes these 20 million deal dollar deals with Netflix, but it's never in place Of his agenda no, it's all about the art. It's all about this wins this wins. This is the Priority that's why he left his show because they were twisting it of course I know why he left his show because I've been in that position where you go This is turning into some corporate version of what you like you love what I do now You can't wait to put your fingerprint on it exactly.

1:23:04That's it. That's exactly So you can take so you can go you know that was me and he gave up I gave him that Million when no one was giving no body would fucking do that I'm not doing comedy for 10 years and you know what he would do he would occasionally show up in a park with like a fucking speaker and just show up and do standout. Yes, he did. He didn't Seattle. I know he didn't Seattle because the friend of mine was out the show. He shows up. He goes, Dave Chimell just shows up in this fucking park. He gets a speaker with a microphone and he just starts talking and people just gather around.

1:23:36He was just doing these like shows. He's in prompt to shows. He would show up in a bar. Can I go on stage and they would go, okay. And he would just start. in his mind that he would eventually come back no that was just the present moment i think it's just being an artist just being an artist for the pure sake of being an artist so he had the money that he did make off should pal show and he decided to like live frugally and take that money and he didn't do anything for money for like ten fucking years just raised and then he started coming back and then we start coming back i remember i'm coming around the comic store again we had some conversations about it he just You know he just decided to start doing comedy again and then you see people getting canceled now and it's Devastating to them and yet that's what that was he just did it himself right he canceled himself.

1:24:22Yeah He can't see the greatest get show of all time of all time. Yeah of all and it only did two seasons It's still the greatest that's not something that you see very often if somebody who just fucking can't help but beat to their own drum Right, but the art wins and right the art wins for him Well, it's obviously when you see him he's so good. He's not malicious. He seems there moments where you think he's malicious And again he brings it around Well, the malicious is just to heighten the humor it all just like brings it in it also accentuates like some thoughts that you might have about Whatever he's talking about but it's what everybody's thinking.

1:24:57Yep, and so fucking terrified to say that's why I'm thinking me Yeah, I'm watching it and I'm the inappropriate guy You know and my dad goes how the fuck do you say what you say and I don't understand I go You know what I said honestly do you want to know because I'm not ultimately mean? I Don't want I don't want a fucking hurt. I don't want people to feel less than I do right, but I watch Shepal and even me. I'm like

1:25:25He walks that line he gets out there walks that line but he dances around it and he makes it beautiful comedy I shit it so much because without him We're all fuck and he's a way to find out if a comedian's a cunt Like if a comedian doesn't like shepal they start shitting on shepal like okay, then you know he's a car piece of shit You're just a garbage human have you ever met anybody? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah a lot of these is not a real comedian There's a lot of asshole. Yeah, there's a lot of like that's not comedy Activist comedians and what they are is really not talented so they've glombed on to this idea of like being like socially conscious And that's more important than the humor itself, but nobody wants to hear you preach Nobody nobody thinks that your opinion is better than theirs.

1:26:07This is what I always say like if you go on stage You have an opinion like other people have an opinion too like if you go on stage and say, you know I think Kamala Harris would be the greatest president of all time a lot of people like why don't agree But you have to have a way to make it funny so that they laugh the people that disagree with you laugh I don't even think this guy's correct But goddamn that's funny and that's the way you can introduce an idea into someone's head that maybe would never accept that that idea was just opinions. So if someone's on stage and they're just saying opinions, like you could disagree with that opinion.

1:26:38Don't frustrate you and you can't talk, you don't have, but if that guy can take that opinion and that perspective and make it funny, and you're forced to acknowledge that he has a point. Like there's something in there like, I don't even agree with that, but fuck it, Goddamn, that was good. Goddamn, that was good. And that's the real. It liberates, man. That's the real Chappelle art. That's what I mean not that we'll stay on this forever, but remember Eddie Murphy when he did what not the first not raw but Delirious, yeah, oh yeah, well he was a fucking powerhouse Man, oh, right to this day that is the guy that I just wish I was friends.

1:27:13I was friends with his brother Charlie yeah, but I wish that guy I wish you would come back You know, I know he got like some weird stuff. We got arrested It was transsexuals in his car and so I Whatever said it other people whatever they came back. He's just too good. He's too good He's too good. Do you ever see when he gave a speech? He got like I think it was like one of those Mark Twain awards or something like that and he did stand up Like where he has no stand up and forever but he was talking about Bill Cosby having to give his awards back and Cuz he know he does an amazing Bill Cosby And so he he did stand up and it was as sharp as ever and like god damn this guy came back And it was just off the cuff that was something that I'm sure he prepared no, I'm sure he prepared But nobody really knew he was gonna do it right?

1:28:01He knew he was gonna give a speech right in his speech was essentially stand up You know is acceptance speech like 20 minutes or 15 minutes Yeah, and it was fucking great and there was all these rumors that he was gonna start doing it again I remember Charlie told me the day was thinking about doing it again or that Eddie was thinking about doing again But he never did it he never did it never I think it's just too heavy. We need comedian I mean, that's like the theme of this whole thing. It's whether you're talking about hunter, whether you're talking about this. It's just too bad that they self -destruct, whether it be from drugs or fame or whatever.

1:28:33And you know what I mean? It's hard, man. It's hard to maintain. And then once you make it, there's these weird pressures. But it breaks up the status quo of this contraction, especially that we're, I know that's why people move to Austin. There is just like, I'm fucking sick of being told to think a certain way. Well, that's why comedy in Austin works so well, because we all moved here at the same time. We all moved here in 2020. Like I was here because, well, Ron White moved here first and Ron White is a dear friend of mine. And he moved here before the pandemic. And Ron was like, I don't wanna live in LA anymore.

1:29:09I thought I could love it here. There's no traffic, food's great, fuck people are nice. I can travel, I fly, I'm in the center of the country, I can fly anywhere real quick. And I was like, damn, could I live in Texas? I'm like, I don't know about that. And then COVID came and my wife was kind of interested a little bit, but then when the riots started happening in LA, then she got really scared. She got very, like it's a lot of home invasions. There was a lot of crazy shit that was happening. Where is she from originally? She was from Colorado. Okay, and it's not in LA, boy. No, no, no. And so she lived in LA with me for a while, and we were happy.

1:29:47You know, we lived in Bel Canyon, which was like outside of LA. It's nice, peaceful, had a little land, I still in some hawks and shit. Yeah, well, for me it was okay, because I had quiet where I lived, and then I could drive into the comedy store. And I loved it. But then when they shut the comedy store down, they shut everything down, and then the rise, and I was like, maybe they're not gonna let us go back. This is like, these fucking cock suckers have control now, and that's what they like. That's why they became politicians in the first place. They like telling people they can't work. They're they they have a grip on society and they're gonna fucking keep this grip.

1:30:18We got to get the fuck out So did you move side unseen? Did you move just did you just come? I came to play? I Came and you hung out for a while looking to see if I could deal with it We took like a few days off and we flew to Austin with some friends who were also thinking about doing it Right none of them wound up moving here a couple of them moves to Dallas But we came here and then And one of the things that helped, my daughters were 10 and 12 at the time. They were really young and they were real confused about what was going on in LA. It was spooky. You had to wear a mask everywhere and that freaks kids out.

1:30:50It was freaky. We came to Texas, no masks. He'd go to restaurants and we had this great real estate lady and this great, she's a good friend now. And she took us to see, we wanted to see this house and she took us on a ride on a boat. She had a friend to take us on the lake. We go on the lake. People are playing Leonard Skinner. They're jumping in the water. They're laughing and singing and in LA everybody's thinking like the world's gonna And there's demons and I was in I was in New Mexico and I was out on a hundred Thousand acre ranch Whoa right and we were doing outer range we were doing the first season of our show and we were tested every morning And when I was out in the middle of nowhere.

1:31:31I mean with like good 15 mile an hour winds You'd have somebody come up if I put my mask down to talk you'd have somebody go Yeah Yeah, and I'd be like there's no we're in the middle of nowhere also it doesn't even work It doesn't work. It's stupid the mask I'm not even saying that I have a certain belief system or anything but in that moment Yeah, provable that they don't work provable. Yeah, and people lost their fucking minds and it was a stress test and So we came out here. I bought a house like quick And I was still the same house you have now really yeah, we we looked at the house in May I was living in in August and we were here and then my kids started going to school out here They loved it.

1:32:16I loved it right away. We were performing and then We were doing shows inside where everybody's like this is crazy. You guys are doing shows indoors Because Texas didn't give a fuck they're like two shows like like a couple months after COVID but they're like, eh, open it up. And so what are the numbers of people who got COVID? You know, I've never had COVID. You never got it at all. That's crazy. I never got it. I don't know if that's a blood type. I don't know. What is that? Maybe you're healthy. Maybe I have it right now. I haven't been able to hold it right now. Maybe I have it. The new COVID is a joke.

1:32:46It's like, we used to test every day. We still, like, everybody that came in, because I wanted to be compliant. I wanted people to be able to save. People are flying out here to do podcasts. I wanted to make sure that they're not a dick. And so we tested everybody before every show. And one time I came in and I had the sniffles and I was like, maybe it's COVID, maybe it's COVID and the nurse was like Actually, you have COVID. I was like no way. I'm like this is the new COVID But I had it once and that like famously gotten trouble for saying that I didn't get vaccinated But I got healthy and it was the CNN attacks and I'll let shit and then the second time I got COVID It was literally sniffles and it was gone in like a day or two so with the numbers different in Texas than anywhere else I don't know I'm curious.

1:33:26I mean the numbers would be. I mean the numbers would be. The real people that got sick are the people with comorbidities. That was the real issue. What it exposed is that it didn't exist to do it because I have a brother -in -law who was in New Orleans in the epicenter of it and it was the beginning of his residency and all that and he was like, oh bro. Oh it fucking exist. I mean it was fucking gnarly. Yeah. If you're really unhealthy, COVID fucked you up. If you're really fat in particular, there was something about the way it reacted to fat people. African Americans too, he said. That's a vitamin D thing.

1:33:54That's a vitamin D thing. Yeah, well, you know, African Americans is the reason why they're so dark. The melanin is to protect them from the sun and melanin in white people with the reason why they're so pale is because it acts as like a fucking solar panel for vitamin D, right? So the melanin actually protects them from the sun's damage. And but it also makes it more difficult for them to get vitamin D. So my friend did his residency in New York and he said during the winter time, we would do blood panels on people and they would have undetectable levels of vitamin D. And this is the reason why people get sick in the winter.

1:34:27Yeah. You're covering up, you're indoors most of the time. You're not getting any vitamin D, you're not getting any sun. If you're not supplementing and not just with vitamin D, by the way, you have to mix vitamin D with K2 and magnesium. That's the most effective way for you to process it. If you're not doing that, your immune system is shit. It's not that you're giving, you're not a living peach tradition, you're giving each other the thing because you would do that in the summer too, but the minute you go outside and you get that vitamin D, and you get that sun, it's burning it away. Yeah, well, you're out in the sun, you're healthier.

1:34:55You're supposed to be outside. We're not designed. You're locked up in fucking cubicles, and fluorescent lights all day. It's not normal. So it's not healthy. And if you don't do something to mitigate that, the counteract that, your metabolic health is gonna suffer. If you're not fit, if you're not healthy, if you're overweight, if you're not eating well, if you're not taking vitamins, all those things are a huge factor that was completely ignored. And the narrative was like, no, you need this novel injection that we haven't tested on anybody. We're gonna fucking shoot it in every baby, every kid, every pregnant woman.

1:35:29Did you ever take one? No, I almost did. I didn't think it was a bad thing. This whole pandemic is through education and talking to the doctors and also through my experiences has completely changed my concept and my thought about the medical system. When the vaccine was first available, I was more than willing to get it. In fact, the UFC allocated 150 vaccines for other employees, and we were doing these COVID shows where there was no audience. So we would do it at the Apex in Vegas where the UFC has their own small arena, and we'd have the fights there, and you'd go and get tested. I would not get tested in Austin.

1:36:05I'd fly to Vegas, and then they test me again, and you weren't supposed to go anywhere. You just stayed in your hotel, and then you showed up and did the fights. And then they got the allocations to the vaccine, and I called up the doctor and I said, hey, I'm here for the fights, can I get vaccinated? They said, sure, come on in. And then when I got there, I called the doctor and said, actually, you have to go to the clinic, we have to do it at the clinic, can you go on Monday? And I said, I can't. I have to go back to Austin, but I'll be back in two weeks for the next fights and we'll do it that.

1:36:35They said, great. In that two weeks, they pulled the vaccine because people were getting blood clots. And then also during that two weeks, two people that I knew had strokes. like one guy was in his 50s and one guy was in his 40s immediately following the vaccination within days of the vaccine got strokes and I had a bunch of friends that had complications one friend who has a pacemaker I have a second friend now that as a pacemaker and there was all these things that just have a pacemaker they'll have for the rest of their lives I don't know it depends on whether or not your heart heals like how bad the damage is what it but his heart was stopped it would stop beating for like nine seconds at a time.

1:37:12Wow. And he would just faint and he was falling down. And you know, Dr. Drew's talked about this about the he believes that's what happened to a lot of people that got boosted. A lot of people like after the booster like there's something that would happen where your heart would just stop beating for a while and you'd black out and then it would start up again. Because it wasn't proven. It wasn't a proven thing. But then again, how many of them are proven? because you said 72, 73 shots. Well, that's a different kind of vaccine. No, but I understand that. But there's still vaccines. You go, why so much more now?

1:37:48Is there that much more than it's money? I think it's money. I mean, I'm not an anti -vaccine person, but I subscribe to Robert F. Kennedy's perspective. Like, they should all be tested. They should be safety tested, and they're not. But it comes down to this thing, like we were talking about working out, it comes down to this thing where you go, the medical community I can use for certain things, the holistic community I can use for certain things. Why do I have to deny one just to be full in on the other? Right, exactly. Well, it's just a narrative that they put out there that medicine and pharmaceutical drugs are the most important thing and everything else is bullshit.

1:38:23Everybody should take oxycotin. There. Everybody should be on. Yeah, the least 10 oxycotin. Yeah, help you feel better. You'll feel better. Just like, oh, I feel better. You don't have to do anything. It's helping you. It's helping you. So when we came here, that was the thing was like, everybody who came here was kind of like, fuck this. And then there was so many of us that Ron talked me into opening up a comedy club. I remember Ron. You opened your own. Yeah, Ron went on stage, like for the first time in like months, like I think it was eight months. And he grabbed me by the shoulders, like right after, I mean, he fucking crushed.

1:38:59He goes on stages, his giant standing ovation. He crushes and he comes off stage. He grabs me by my shoulders. Whatever the fuck we have to do We're gonna keep doing this he goes you gotta open up a club. I go okay. I'm gonna open up a club Yes, sir, and then I just started looking at club spots How often do you do it almost I mean every week every week you're last nine three times I wanted they did three sets last night. Wow. Yeah, that's constantly working. Yeah, do you know rubber Rodriguez? Yes, the director. Yeah, no, I don't know personally. I'm aware of that. It surprises me. Yeah, that's who I'm doing I'm at the Paramount Theater tonight.

1:39:35I love that guy. Yeah, I love him. Yeah, I've done one to have known him for 30 years Oh, I'd love to meet him. Yeah, but uh, no, I love his work though. Yeah, super good guy. Yeah, and he plays it Antoine's a lot Oh, yeah, Anton's and tons. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good place. Yeah, my friend Gary I didn't know it so my wife knows Gary's wife really well. Oh my wife knows Gary's what fought wife really Oh shit dude. I met somebody on the plane who sat next to me so I flew in the or they they sent a picture to my wife No, yes, yes, wait wait wait wait wait Bentley I don't know the guy the guy's name.

1:40:13I don't know the guy no no no no the guy that I met on the plane today He said what are you here doing? I said oh I'm gonna see broken this afternoon I'm doing Paramount Theater tonight and he said oh that's so funny and he didn't talk to me the whole flight and he said My son Bentley went out with Rosie. Yes. That's a year. Yes. That's what it is So he sent a photograph to my wife Yeah, cuz I took a photograph. Yeah, so I saw today right when I was leaving my wife shows her the other Fucking funny. It's crazy. That's crazy small world. Yeah, super super small world. Yeah, but yeah, so yeah Gary's wife and my wife are good friends.

1:40:47Yeah, so I never met Gary He's the best man. I love him. He's the best. I mean, that's another artist. I true artist. That's an artist. I mean, he's an artist another true artist. I was just with him. I did his video I was asked to do a lot of videos and I've never done a video because I've never wanted to do a video The idea of doing video seems weird to me. You're like, you know, singing somebody else's song or something But Chris Stapleton who's been a long time so we were in Martha together. Has he? Yeah, I love that one of the greatest fucking guys He and Morgan one of the greatest people so yeah, we were together over the weekend in Marfa, Texas Oh, that's fucking cool.

1:41:23Yeah, there's me and Gary's another guy that I knew back in LA I met Gary at the comedy store doesn't he still live in LA? No, he lives here. Oh, he does Yeah, yeah, and that's the same thing like when I talked to Gary about I can watch you move to Texas And this was back when I was still living in LA because man fuck that right fuck that place fuck everything about that place I don't like it. I don't feel good there. We haven't moved to Austin. I've spent a lot of time here. I love it here. My mom's from Corpus Christi. I've spent a lot of time in Texas. I'm going to eat water burger while I'm here.

1:41:56And, but, you know, we moved to Santa Barbara recently and it's one of those things. It's just like, there's the thing about LA when you don't need because you can do so many things remotely and you go, why am I here? Right. Right. Why am I here? Like I embraced this staunch thing of I'm a Californian and I loved going to New York and seeing how proud people were in New York And I'd go back to California and I'd say I want to be the one proud person that's in California There was proud people in LA for a while there were we were all proud that we were LA comics Yeah, they were LA comics were like a different thing than New York comics right because New York comics were all like for themselves They're all kind of shitty and backstabby and at the comedy store.

1:42:37We had a real community There was like, and that's the best thing. And what you've done is re -create it, like even when I talk about a chopper community, that's what it is. It's a community that you can rely on. Yes. Regardless of belief system or anything like that. You go, but that guy has my back. Yes. That guy will walk through fire from me. Yes. That guy wants me to do well. That's your people. That's my people. Yeah. And that's the same thing with that. All my people moved out here. They moved out here with me. So we had like 16 top shelf comedians move out here. in the first two years.

1:43:08That many. There's so many clubs out here. There's five clubs on this street where my club's on. That's crazy. I bought the old Ritz Theater. Yeah. So that's the comedy mothership now. And down the street, there's a sunset club that my friend Brian owns. And that's a club that's like five doors down for me. So all these are new clubs that's happened in the last four years. The Vulcan was already there. That was the club that we started working at when we came here. That's down the street from me. That's only like a block away. And then there's the Creek in the cave. Another comedy club that's only like two blocks away.

1:43:36There's a bunch of them just on this one street What if I move here and open a club and just do monologues? Do you think people will come sure? Different would ladies and gentlemen. This one's from Sicaria if it's good people would go they might You look man. It's fucking really have a We're a city. It's a great artsy city. It is there's a lot of fake artists. I know there is everywhere Yeah, there's a lot of posters, but that's all people that just like like the idea of them being the one who decides what's real and what's not real. Yeah, yeah, just goofs. You're always gonna have that. There's a lot of that that they hated us when we came here.

1:44:13But really what they didn't like is that you couldn't just fuck around anymore. The real killers were here now. The real top shelf like national headliners guys like Tom Sikura and Tim Dylan and these animals moved into town. So this is like a new hub. It's the hub of the world for comedy. The comedy mothership is the hub of comedy in the world That's wild. Yeah, and it just just open two years ago. That's cool. It's packed every night. It's it's awesome Like Dave came down like opening week. It was incredible and no one knew he was there So I did a set and then after I did a set I Introduced him and everybody just went fucking ape shit and we're like like it's up, like the clubs rolling now.

1:44:56Now it's really happening. And then all these people were coming in from all over the country and a bunch of people moved here. And there's people moving here constantly. Shane Gillis moved here and all these guys moved here. So it's still happening. Oh yeah, it's still growing. It's still growing. We've talked, we're talking about opening up another club because it's, we're so packed every night and we have so many comics. We almost have too many comics and not enough room. Has the place grown a lot in the last four years? I mean, other than people, yeah, but you see it, gentrification of it or just like that is that you got no you see a lot of tech bros have moved here because you know Google moved here in Facebook and remember when just James moved here which was a while ago he moved here a long time long time ago yeah I remember when he moved from Long Beach yeah and he called me he was like it's fucking great it's fucking great it's better yeah I just never will live in a place that is traffic ever again I'll never live in a big city Austin's like a million people yeah a million on the outside and a million in the city.

1:45:51It's nothing. It's easy. It's easy to get around people friendly. They're just like real people. There's no one here that's like connected to that machine that that forced compliance. Why do you think that feeds into your art? Like to me being in LA when everybody's talking about what's your status right now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's your status? All people care about is are you killing are you going on stage and fucking killing? Yeah, are you doing your best work? Are you doing it period? Yeah? You're doing your best work like do you care? Yes, you really care. Are you really working on it? Are you really just another Affectation and if you're at that club you have to be working on it because there's too many people that are working on it Yeah, it's too many kill you can't just be lazy.

1:46:37Yeah, you won't survive. There's too many killers I want to go to this club anytime go tonight. Cool. Do you want to come tonight? Well, I got this thing What's what's your thing what time is it? I don't know eight seven we have was seven o 'clock show and a ten o 'clock show really now come Out come man. They're coming hang out jelly rolls there last night really wasn't really. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool Jelly rolls of man. He's here all the time. He's always hanging out here. Do you have my book? I do not you don't know I do not know what sent it to me. They did they probably went to a publicist or someone.

1:47:06I was gonna bring a book for you I'll buy it Josh Brolin from under the truck. Why is it from under the truck? Why do you think? Is that's where you were drunk? Past out? That's where my mom's boyfriend was drunk and passed out. But it has this to me, I chose it because it has a double entonjure that when you're under a truck you're either fixing it or getting run over by it and it's my life. I mean they're getting run over by it or fixing it. How did you sort it out? Because you're so together now. Am I? Yeah, I think you are. Thank you. You're fun. Thanks, man. Fun people are together. If you can be fun, you're together.

1:47:43I think I'm at that place. I found a place that you have always been at that I didn't have. I had the opposite where you go, no, I didn't do cocaine because, and forget the drugs. It's the mentality. I didn't do cocaine because it would kill me. And I would go, oh, that stuff will kill you. Yeah. Let's just walk that line. I always wanted to walk that line. And I had a mother that walked that line. The book is very mother heavy. Very very mother happy and it was wasn't intended to be it just turned out that be my mind That's why I wanted to fuck I wish I had a book no worries. I want it to read you a Section of the LSD 13 year old LSD thing because it's fun.

1:48:23Yeah, it's juicy. Yeah, you like juicy stuff I do and I want to read you juicy stuff 13 LSD is so wild that's such a crazy mind blowing experience for a 13 year old to have yeah Yeah, can you imagine because you look at I mean I had I had kids when I had my first kid I was 20 years old and I was looking at 14 years in prison. Oh my God. Yeah. So Jesus Christ. So I that's why I didn't I missed my shot out there I was surprised Johnny there's there's look at it find Josh Brolin's oh yeah see if it's in there. I think there's a couple get a big mental print of it, the mental proud of it. But well, it's part of your life and it's why you're you today because you've gone through shitty experiences.

1:49:08Yeah, but I don't know if they're shitty. That's what I haven't decided whether they're shitty or whether they're necessary for this person to get to this place and not everybody gets to that place. So we're talking about all these people like Hunter as Thompson. Hunter as Thompson is my mother, man. Just did she wasn't a good writer. But everything that you, the song, that was my mom. My mom had a loaded nine millimeter at her bedside table all the time she was part of the what was the scam that went on in the eighties the pyramid scam. Oh remember that she was one of the top five winners of the pyramid scam.

1:49:43Oh boy She could talk to anybody into anything So she would come home literally man with bags with grocery bags full of cash. Wow. She'd dump it out and she'd say count Jesus, so I would sit there and Wow. You know what I mean? And she'd put them and I finally found, I think she had hidden some in her dresser and there was like a loose board that she took away and put money in there and I found it and bought some drums. When my grandmother died, we found stuff like that in her house because my grandmother went through the depression. Oh yeah. And so everybody was there all like stockpile money.

1:50:20So she had coffee cans filled with money that she had like tucked away in like different areas of the house that we found after she died. Right, right. It's kind of great. Yeah. mentality of like yeah, well the mentality you grow up or you literally might starve to death There's no and you be cutting. There's no way that can affect you and that's the whole point There's no way that somebody can have that mentality of every scent mean something right and we have to hide it and less And these somebody else takes it or whatever with my mother It was always looking for the most vivid experience and I don't know why that was her parents weren't like that It's just how she was And then you either have my brother.

1:50:56I don't know if you have siblings or not, but my brother dealt with it totally different My brother imploded So he lives his life as simply as you can possibly live it Whereas me it was my reaction was the other way. Yeah, yeah Yeah, so so how now and wide. I don't know. I don't know 45 years old it feels like a good age to go okay, do I want to? Don't want to go Nick Nolt here. Right, right, right, right. And I can do that easy, you know. Nick used to date Vicki Lewis, who was on News Radio with me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. I remember Vicki. Wow. Super talented. Super talented.

1:51:38Yeah, saying good act. She was, she was a firebrem. Yeah. And Nick used to hang around the set. And it was always so weird to me to be talking to Nick Nolt. It was so strange. Yeah. And I remember one time I went to fries electronics because I was going to buy some I used to make my own computers Yeah, cuz I was like really into like computer games so like build my own computers Yeah, and so I'm there like looking at motherships and I see this fucking old guy with his glasses on and I go I go niggas. Oh, hey Joe. How are you man? Do you know anything about these things like I was talking to him about like computer stuff But I couldn't believe he knows my name.

1:52:17I remembered me He said my life man. He said my life at 25. I was bro. There's a terrible movie called warrior It's terrible movie terrible movie you mean the UFC movie with Tom Hardy and then we talk yeah He's fucking incredible in it. He's amazing his one scene. This one scene where he breaks down. You know, he's the dad Mm -hmm. It's so fucking good It's so good that one scene is worth sitting through the entire preposterous movie Yeah, why do you hate that movie? Because it's fake. You can't have you can't fight like two days in a row. You wasn't the Tyson Jake fight wasn't that amazing.

1:53:01Yeah, it's amazing. They got paid so much money for that. 25 million and 40 million. I think 20 and 40. Yeah, I think that's what I'd heard. You know, which I'm happy Mike got the money and I'm happy that he didn't get hurt. That was my fear that it was going to be a real fight and he was going to get it. You've known him for a long time. I've known him for a long time. I love that, dude. Me too. And he was a, like, larger than life figure in my childhood. Truly, me too. When I was a kid when he was a champ, he was like, people don't understand what a champ he was. Like he was a, he wasn't just the heavyweight champ of the world.

1:53:30He was an executioner. Like you, every fight was just a matter of how long was it going to last? Which fight it was that I went to go see a couple of fights. And I actually went to go see Julio Cigia Chavez fight. And that's when I met Tyson in the green room. and I met at the same time Muhammad Ali and the greener. Oh wow. That was a moment. Wow. As a boxing fan, that was a real moment. But I remember, and I don't know who it was, and I think it was a 90 second fight, and I went to go see this fight, and Tyson was fighting, and this guy was doing this stuff. Before, and he had this caught, he had built himself into confidence.

1:54:06And Mike came out afterwards. He was the first one, obviously. And Mike came out afterwards, and I watched his face. I didn't watch Mike. He would normally watch Mike because he's so charismatic and he's coming. He wants to do And I watch the guy's face and I watch that confidence bleed from his face. Yeah Instantaneously. Yeah, he had Absolutely lost the fight long before Mike had ever gotten in the ring Yeah, I maintained that in the time where he was championed like the two or three years where he was at his best He's the greatest fighter of all time of all time of all time Yeah, that's why it was so interesting to me as I was watching it and I'm very verbal when it comes to that shit.

1:54:44Come on! What the fuck? You know what I mean? And he was, he's still quick. Oh yeah. He's still quick. He's still very quick. But you know, Mike had, like, he was walking with a cane just like a year and a half ago. Yeah, but he was really actually bad sciatica. Bad sciatica. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, real bad. Uh. It wasn't that long ago that he was, you know, I mean, when I first met him, he was very, very heavy. He was not working out at all. And I asked him how come you don't work out? I don't want to ignite my ego That's I don't want to ignite the gods of war the gods of war Yeah, and then the second time he came in was when he was preparing for the Roy Jones Jr Fight in here.

1:55:25Yeah, and he was a totally different human being He was fucking jacked in a shape and he looked super intense Yeah, and he was just like ready to go and it was terrifying It was like and Jamie when was this few years ago four years ago four years ago. And so when he came in the second time, I was like, this is Jamie said it afterwards. He's like, that's a totally different human being than the first time we saw him. He was one of the first guys. Like I said with Nick Nolte, he was like, is that really Nick Nolte? This is crazy. Can't believe he's right there. Mike Tyson is one of the first people that I met though that I can't believe he's really here.

1:55:58Because just like he was so iconic. Like you had to be alive and be a kid during the time where he was the champion to understand and what he was, because there was, after Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but no one liked him because he beat up Muhammad Ali. So people always just wanted him to lose. Yeah, but is that the only reason that there's just a certain air of somebody and they come along once in a great while? Yes, but Larry Holmes never got his due. He was an amazing fighter. Amazing fighter, but still. But when he retired, then there was just like a series of boring champions, like no one cared about the heavyweight division at all.

1:56:35No one cared. And then the cover of sports illustrated I have it framed in my office at home It's that kid died in the night on it and he was 19 years old and I was like who is this guy Yeah, and then I started watching him fight and then he was fight on like ABC wide world of sports You're like Jesus Christ. You find yourself going back and watching highlights just yeah I watch Tyson fights all the time. Yeah, yeah, I just just watch this fight with Frank Bruno just a couple of days ago Frank Bruno. Oh my god Tyson was something just I just don't think you can can maintain that. You can only do the fights you use.

1:57:08You never worked out with like, do you remember the fight with him and bone crusher Smith? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Not a great fight. No, wasn't the best fight because bone crusher Smith was not a great fighter. Well, he was a good fighter. He's a tough guy. Yeah. But, you know, brutal knockout puncher. It just wasn't at Mike's level. Yeah. Mike was at a level that no one was at. It was just, it was an insane combination of discipline, talent, incredible coaching, psychology. You know, when he was 13 years old, he was adopted by a guy who was a hypnotist. Cuts used to hypnotize him. Yeah, hypnotizing with the time was 13.

1:57:47And he... Into being the greatest fighter. Into being the greatest fighter. Wow. And he told him, you don't exist. Only the task exists. And the task was just to disrupt you. Did you just try to do that? Yeah. I've never heard him say that. Does he say that to other people? Oh, yeah, he said it publicly. I was talking about it. Yeah, he talked about the hipnosis. The hipnosis. You started doing it when he was 13 years old. So what's the parallel between, and this is the last thing I'll interview you about? What's the thing between Tyson and John Jones, who I met once, and I looked at him when I met him on a plane, and he didn't give me really the time of day, but I was like, I'm a huge fan, and I don't say that often to a lot of people.

1:58:25And he probably gets out all day long now. I'm sure he does. Yeah, there's no doubt. Special fighter. It's conquerors. That's what it is like they're both conquerors like I had this thing that I put up on my Instagram The day that somebody made it was a me talking about trying to explain why John exists that there's people that are just different They're wired different and they they are uncommon amongst uncommon men They just they rise to the top of the top and they just dominate they just dominate and that's John He's just the greatest of all time It's exciting. He's 37 years old and he's still the greatest.

1:59:00I mean watching that fight watching watching You know Tyson or Jake Paul or whatever Jake Paul I wonder who you want to say Tyson and then going the next day and watching that fight. Yeah watching those fights It wasn't the only fight the one before was What was his name the fight before John Jones? Oh Charles Oliver and my chair. Yeah, credible fight credible fight Yeah, yeah John is a he's a special dude when he's gone. We're all gonna miss him Said different kind of I mean he's been at the top for 14 fucking years He won the title the youngest guy to ever win a Yosey title 23 23 and Mike was the youngest heavyweight champ at all time at 20 which is really crazy crazy But when John Jones won that title of 23 has just been Destruction of everyone ever since every never duct anybody fought all the best destroyed everybody as Dominity is division went up to heavyweight Dominity said heavyweight.

1:59:57So why does somebody like that self -destruct? Is that a self -destruction? Because it's a wild motherfucker. That's how you get to be that good. And then what we're talking about the whole time is we're talking like whether time has time has time send in this and how you walk that line Mike Tyson spending whatever $354 million going to jail whatever that is. Wild. But that's also what makes you so good that that wildness. John Jones when he fought Mauricio show gun who are for the light heavyweight title when he was 23 years old he opens up the fight with a flying knee nobody does that he fighting a legend show gun at that time when he was the light heavyweight champion he was a legend and not just a legend from the UFC but a legend from pride yeah pride was this gigantic organization in Japan that show gun really yeah yeah yeah yeah so he was a like a mythical creature almost in MMA circles he was that was show gun who are he was a conner McGregor and John John Jones.

2:00:52John's in a different category. It's a different thing. Yeah, Connor self -destructed, you know, in a lot of ways because of money, you know, I mean, he took that fight with Floyd Mayweather, made a ton of money off that, and then took a long time before he came back to MMA, and it's just not been the same guy since. And I think that's just, it's money, it's a lot of partying, but it's the same kind of thing. It's just a while, but in his prime when when Connor was in his prime. He was fucking amazing He was a fucking ass. That thing that through line of not being able to let go It's like what you were talking about shepal Shepal leaves for 10 years But then he goes to the park and he does a thing There's a thing that's insatiable that warrior mentality.

2:01:36Yeah, but there's a difference because Physically you can only fight for so long. Yeah, comedy you get better every year Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Dave's better now than he was a year ago. He'd be better two years. You can still be right Rodney Dangerfield right don't right you need to when I saw him was probably seven years old and he was murdering in his fucking bathroom naked It was this shlong hanging out. Yeah, he was He was still amazing because it's not a physical thing You don't have like your body can only compete at the highest level Which is one of the things it's so extraordinary about John.

2:02:06Yeah, he's 37. He still competes at the highest level They blew my mind the other night. Well, it was exciting It was nice to be excited about something. Debates passes prime, unfortunately, and he's got a lot of wear on the tires. And it was kind of rough watching him get beat up like that. Yeah. But that's the game they play. That's the sport. Yeah. And what's great about UFC that I never thought would last in the beginning. The great thing is anything can happen. Anything happen. Yeah. Frank Fertida and Lorenzo Fertida always say that every fight, every UFC, we sell holy shit moments. That's what he said.

2:02:39That's it. Like there's moments in the fight where you're like holy shit. Look around at each other and everybody nobody does it better than you when you do this you go back and you think you go Always did that but then they start putting cameras on us, right? And I don't know why you and Correa Yeah, we always did that every time something would happen we would because it's organic It's like you can't help but that's what I'm doing at home. Yeah, holy fuck holy shit Yeah, holy shit. Yeah, there's moments where you just like you can't believe it's really happening Yeah, that's the sport the sport is it's the craziest sports the highest consequences of any sport It's just it's so raw and dangerous and you can't look away It's so crazy and what someone can dominate it like John Jones or George St.

2:03:25Pierre or mighty mouse or any of the great George St. Pierre another great one great Yeah, when they when they can do that. It's like that's a different kind of human being I mean to be the best of the best people the best people in the world at fighting and then he's the best of the best people. And when George was in his prime, it was that same sort of thing. You would see him stand there like this intense look in his eyes just couldn't wait to get his fucking hands on that guy. Like, damn, it's, you, I feel very, very, very, very fortunate that I've been able to witness personally so many of those moments.

2:03:58Yeah. And be there to watch greatness so many times. I think it's great that you've continued. It's surprising to me. I love it. I know you do and and that's why you continue to do it. Why did the first, like, 13 of them for free? First 13 ever? Yeah, the first thing I did, no, they was already, it was like UFC 37. Oh, oh, when you got into it. I started working at UFC 12. I did, UFC 12 was the first event that I did in 1997. I was the post -fight interview guy. And so I did that for a couple of years, but it was banned from cable. It was basically like, That's why I said it was going, it kind of went like this and then it was going down.

2:04:36Boxing did it to them boxing in kuhuts with Budweiser, which is funny because now Budweights sponsors the UFC But they all wanted the MMA thing to go away because it was so exciting and crazy They thought of it as a threat. Yeah, and they they essentially banished it It also just had this unsavory look to it. You're fighting in a cage And back in those days it was bear knuckle. You know, and then Yeah, it was just crazy. It was like they would call it human cock fighting which I always found was disgusting. But me as a martial artist, the question was always, what would happen if you got a judo guy and you fought a wrestler?

2:05:13What would happen if you got a boxer and you fought a karate guy? And the UFC was like, let's find out. So, Horian Gracie came up with this concept. That's what I was gonna say. Gracie was one of the first judo versus Jiu -Jitsu, right? Well, hoist, you know, hoist was the first champion of the UFC and he was the first guy to introduce that. Like, technique is more important than everything. technique is more important than being big more important than being strong because hoist was like 175 pounds he was very slight and long and Adjusted jujitsu wizard and he would get guys on the ground strangle the fuck out of him We were like what happened?

2:05:48This is crazy On the big Jack guy's tapping like what what happened and hoist just opened up the world to Brazilian jiu -jitsu And it made Brazilian jiu -jitsu like the most popular martial art on earth His appearance is in the UFC changed the entire course of martial arts. His family, the Gracie family, particularly his father, Alio, his brother, Hickson, his brother, Hoyler, and Hori, and of course, because he created the UFC, they changed martial arts forever. More development and evolution of martial arts has taken place over the last 30 years, than over the last 30 ,000 years. Yeah. Really, that's accurate.

2:06:28Fighting is different. People really understand what works and what doesn't work now and watching him was poetic It was like a ballet. Yes, it was like it wasn't it was art. It wasn't martial arts. No, it wasn't his dad told him don't hurt These people don't hurt them. You don't have to hurt them show them the art. Just submit them show them the art Yeah, so like hoist when he got on top of people who was like elbow on my eyeballs Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, strangling folks just arm bar folks making them tap making them quit And he did it to everybody and they were all like what the fuck just happened and everybody had to learn Giu -Jitsu, it changed martial arts forever.

2:07:03Your kids, Giu -Jitsu? Yeah, my kids have done it. Have done it. Yeah, they don't do it anymore. They do other stuff. I don't push them. If they wanted to do it tomorrow, they said I'm thinking about doing some kickboxing. Let's go. Where you want to go. But I don't believe in everybody's different. I don't want them to follow my footsteps or anything stupid like that. I want you to be your own human being. What are you interested in? They're both interested in different things. My youngest is an artist. You know, my other one is a phenomenal athlete. It's like, I think that you should do what you wanna do.

2:07:33And if you wanna do that, I'll bring you. I'll show you, I'll teach you. I'll help you. But if you don't wanna do that, I don't wanna push you. Let me be a good parent and celebrate what my kid is. Now what I want. There's so many different kinds of things you could be interested in life. And everyone has a different psychology. So everyone has different things they gravitate towards. It's just like, what is the thing? Is it music? is it art, is it writing? What do you like to do? Find that thing, chase it down. How many kids do you have? I have three. I have a grown, she's 28, and I have 16 to 14.

2:08:04I feel like you've got to do what compels you, what drives you. And part of it is a parent is like, there's so many stories of parents, particularly with like talented athletes that were too hard on the kid and put too much discipline on the kid and the kids burned out. I've seen so many cases of that. You know, with these sideline parents. That's right. I'm not here, but they're the thing. Kill the joy. Kill the joy. You know what? Horace Gracie's dad used to do. If he lost a competition, he would buy him a present. Because what was the psychology? Because they're always going to want to win.

2:08:42Meaning the effort, he bought the effort, he bought the present for the effort or. No, it's like it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Like here, you have a toy. Here's a gift. Here's a thing. Like it's like this is just growth. It's just just development. Huis's dad, Ilio, felt like you live the same life over and over and over again until you get it right. He subscribed to that like ancient Eastern philosophy of reincarnation. Like he really believed you will have the same life over and over and over until you get it right. And so his philosophy on his way is just - from here to here, it's not living at 100 % all the time.

2:09:23It's the process. It's the process. It's the process, the constant process of growth. Yeah. And through that constant process, I mean, what they did was even more crazy because Iliou, along with Carlos Gracie, they revolutionized a martial art. Like, they, Jiu -Jitsu is brought over by these judokas from Japan, Maeda and Kamuro, who came over to America or came over to Brazil, rather, and trained with the Gracies. and then they took those techniques and made them applicable to smaller people. Made them applicable to like, because Ilya was only 145 pounds. But even if they have these no rules fights in Brazil, he's fucking huge fights.

2:10:01They would go for like an hour and a half. Wow. Yeah, and he would just beat these guys with technique. So they developed leverage and they figured out a way to highlight the submissions and make things super technical and they would analyze moves and break them down. And it became the philosophy of the entire family. That one family created more fucking assassins than any other family in the history of my life. They're the nicest people. They got the nice people. Yeah, I hoist in here a couple months ago. It was awesome. He's so fun. You know, Sassy? No. She's with her, she's with Laird a lot.

2:10:35She's with Laird a lot. I mean they have a clan bro. It's a clan but it's a close clan. Yes. It's a friendly familial clan. Yep. They're very nice people. But that's the thing about Jiu -Jitsu. It's like you get out all your aggression in the gym and it kills your ego and you can go be kind They just be a nice person like to judge who people are the nicest people I've ever met They're super friendly and warm and so normal people. Yeah, they just are obsessed with this one thing Yeah, you know and through that thing it's like a vehicle for developing your human potential Yeah, because it's so difficult and when you do a difficult thing it makes the rest of life a lot easier Because there's no way whatever you're experiencing during the day is gonna be as difficult as someone on your back trying to strangle the blood out of your brain, like literally trying to fucking choke the blood out of your head.

2:11:23Like there's no way. There's no way life could be harder than that. But that's the thing is the wildness. You have to have something to be a champion. To be a champion or to be a good person or think you have wildness which we've talked about throughout the story saying. If you don't have wildness, you should be bringing it back to honestly because I have to bring it back to the book. That's what the book is about. Wildness unmitigated. Right, but you eventually figured out what it turns out on you Yeah, but most people it turns around and it bites you in the eyes Most sad ending. I think those sad endings are a valuable lesson for the other people power of example Yeah, you learn from a lot of oh I the one of the reasons why I never did coke is when I was in high school my friends cousin became a co -cat He was a coke dealer and became a co -cat and him and his girlfriend would just do coke and hide They were just like they had an attic apartment.

2:12:13They were in this fucking apartment We're just like doing coke sound coke TV and they like withered away lost all this weight like you got bit by a vampire Yeah, and I remember thinking Jesus Christ. Hey the fuck away from coke Why would you why would you want to do that? What would be attractive about that nothing? I guess it's the I mean you've done it I haven't done it. I guess it's the euphoria when you get that hit you that feeling that That feeling of elevation, you know that feeling of like you know You just know fear and you feel excited. You want to start a business with people and You got plans about it.

2:12:48We're gonna fucking take a love and like in the description of it The eyes kind of get like this and the craziness He's yeah, and you go. Yeah, it's bad for everybody else. It may be good for you for like 15 minutes But everybody else is miserable around the worst thing to me was when I would be high like smoking weed Yeah, and I'd be like just chilled and silly and I'd run into a co -cat and he's like, oh no. He's trying to talk to you like this. He's just get battered with like, talk. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's gonna get out of here. It's disgusting to me. Yeah, it's a weird drug.

2:13:19It's a weird drug, but it's obviously very popular. Yeah. And it causes a lot of problems. Yeah, no thanks anymore. Yeah. No thanks. I'm good. No, I'm interested in that one. You smoke your butt, I'll smoke my cigar. Yeah, I like cigars, dude. cigars are conversational. They are. They are. They are. for conversation. It relax you, like your brain up a little bit, get you a little fired up. Read this book when you can. I will. Seriously, I feel like it. I know I like it. I like talking to you. Yeah, it's, uh, yeah, you'll laugh. You'll laugh. Not everybody will laugh and then read the book. You will laugh.

2:13:54Because I think you understand absurdity. How long do you take you to put it together? Three years. It's nonlinear. It goes all over the place in all these years. Did you have When you sat down, did you have like a framework in mind of how you wanted to pursue it? No, no, no Because I've written probably 90 journals my life 90 full journals and I would go back and I kind of started to put Some of those together and I'd go oh that happened in 88 or that happened in 76 and that had you know that kind of stands out as being a Milestone moment or whatever and I just start to write those down They were really poorly written and then that started to instigate one thing and another thing and it kind of wrote itself I think it was 450 pages when I finished and then I knocked it down to like 240 What is that process like the editing process?

2:14:41That's a good process That's the hardest process I've ever gone through but you become a better writer. It's like you do it with an editor Do you do it by yourself? I did no I did it with an editor because I didn't sell the book right away You know how memoir first of all most memoirs are not written by the people who they're about which makes no sense to me Right because you're writing about yourself, but you're hiring somebody else to do it you're taking the money, I don't get it. So I wrote it, I wrote the entire book, then I sold it, so I didn't sell it based on a celebrity, or I just sold it based on the book because you could read the book and read it and some people hated it, some people read it and they got it.

2:15:15It's too wild, it's too whatever. Well, everything is not for everybody. Exactly. And that's okay. Yeah, that's something more than okay. What's wild is when I when I when I was in the middle, which I I think you would like, when I was in the middle of doing the audible for the book, about halfway through stumbling through the audible, I go, what the fuck did I do? I should burn any evidence that this fucking was ever even thought about. And then I spiraled for about a month and I don't spiral. I just don't spiral about everything, anything. I just, I'm pretty cool with anything that comes along.

2:15:51And then people started reading the book. And then I got this varied response that was always visceral. It was never like, I really liked your book a lot. I thought it was well written and all that. So I'm going to go fuck. Yeah. And that's nice. That means you nailed it. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. But I do know that the responses are good. Well, that's what's important. It's working. It has a desired effect. You got out your thoughts. You got out your experiences. But that editing process is a good process because you refine and you call it. You simplify and yeah, that's cool. You get to look at it with fresh eyes with fresh eyes Yeah, you know, it's the arm bar You could just grab an arm and then try to bend it as hard much as you can or you can fucking figure out how to get in there every time Did you and tap the guy out?

2:16:38Did you always know that you're gonna do this? You're gonna write this book? No, I'd written two or three books and put them in the corner in a dark corner and let them accumulate dust You know, I've never I never thought I would do it publicly because I was always into that thing of like like, oh, you're an actor and like get over it. You want to be a writer. You want to be a writer, you want to be a musician. Every actor wants to be a musician. You know what I mean? You're an rock star. Exactly. And I was like, no. And then this lady read this book, this lit agent. She said, I said it the third time.

2:17:07And she said, you need to fucking stop saying, referencing yourself as an actor who's a writer. You're a fucking writer and a really good writer. Just write. And she was tough on me. So you feel like you had like almost like a disclaimer. like I'm a doctor. Oh yeah, that's what you're doing, giving yourself an escape. I did, because there was something about that profession anyway that I always looked at and always thought, why am I doing this? This is dumb. You know what I mean? And where does the self -importance come from? Like what happened to the wagon that just went down and people tried to shoot you?

2:17:42Doesn't the self -importance just come from attention? You get extraordinary amounts of attention and people develop self -importance because of that. Because I think they deserve that attention. Because it's a false thing. And then you start seeing people manifest it like, excuse me, I said, hot coffee. I didn't say warm coffee. I said, you know, and you go, I don't understand the mentality. So for me, it's probably another attempt, which I think I've manifested in a bunch of different ways of right sizing. and there's nothing like that will right size you like a fucking book. Put you right back into why are you doing what you are doing?

2:18:22Where do you come from? How do you feel about your kids? Where's your sensitivity? Where are things that have become concrete that you need to break in order to feel again? you know, where are you limiting yourself? And I don't like the idea of limiting myself. Like, did I love drinking? When I fuck yeah. I had so much fun dude. It started a lot of other people. But I go, this is now limiting. Well, don't you want to go out and take a drink? I go fuck no. When you're out with a bunch of people having fun? No, because I'm having fun. Right. You don't need to drink to have fun, but there's a thing when you're drinking a lot and having fun, you think this is the reason why I'm having fun.

2:19:07This is the reason why I'm having fun. Yeah, it's a trap. That's the trap. Yeah. That's the trap. Well, you know, you can have a drink or two and really enjoy yourself or you can think that the only reason why you're enjoying yourself is because you're having a drink or two. And that's usually why you have more drinks because you say, this is the reason people are liking me right now. This is the reason people think I'm funny. And you keep chasing that drive. Imagine if you went on stage and every time you went on stage, you had to have at least six strengths because you go this is what they want.

2:19:35And then you wake up in the morning and your kid goes and wakes you up and you're like, oh, fuck. Yeah. And you go, that's not worth it. What's the fucking dude's name from Night Writer? You know I'm talking about Baywatch. Yeah, you ever see that video? Of course I did. The kid's. Yeah, the saddest fucking thing ever. Yeah, it didn't look like a good burger. Well, he's just hammered and his kid filmed it. It's awful. Oh, it's so awful. It's so cringey. Yeah, that's what everybody's afraid of becoming that pathetic example to your children. And you wonder how much that exists and the video's not going.

2:20:11That that that daughter video that like I want you to see what this looks like. Right. Right. And supposedly that kind of throw them into a sobriety or whatever. I don't know if you saw it or not. Did he? If I don't know, I will hope he is. If anything with the story and the sobriety your children filming you. That's it. The lowest moment possible would do it for you. Yeah, I didn't want to be filmed. So I stopped early. He got off the right time. I did get filmed. The last time. Yeah. Yeah, it was super lame. I was at a, what do you call it? A del Taco. And I tapped the cab in front of me accidentally when I was moving forward.

2:20:48And he got out and like created a thing and somebody filmed it from the back of the cab. Oh, wow. Yeah. And I looked stupid. You can't fucking you can't fucking drive You know the fucking drive you're like oh dear Shh quiet Don't speak don't speak there's nothing worse than being sober and seeing something Nothing. Oh, no. I'm so gross because your perception of it. Why you were got you were like oh man This is an honorable moment. You're saying I did something that I didn't do right and we need to hash this out when the reality is, is you're just kind of regurgitating bullshit. Yeah. Nuh. Also, you know how to like affect people with your words.

2:21:35Yeah. You know how to express yourself in a dramatic way and you think you're gonna fucking get through this on top. I'm an actor, mother fucker. Yeah, mother fucker. Where's this? I'm going Shakespeare on you. You know my favorite movie of yours is? What? No country for old men. Why? Because it's so fucked up. Because it's so fucked up. It's such a fucked up movie. It's an even the end. The end when it ends. You're like, what happened? What does the end? Yeah. It's like that guy. What's the name? What's his name? God damn that guy was a good psycho. He was so good. God damn. That movie was so it was just so unusual and intense.

2:22:14And there was no feeling in people's assets all the time. There was no feeling that it was a special movie. Really? Yeah, I told you I went back to Marfa Texas for the first time in 18 years with Stapleton, and the guy running the bank is the first guy that Javier kills in the movie. This is the guy running the bank right now, Chip. Wow. And I talked to Chip. I have a picture of me and Chip. And I talked to Chip and I said, I said, well, you're the first guy, did you think that? And he said, no, that was a friend of a friend who said that they were auditioning people. And the reason I did it is because I figured nobody would ever see it.

2:22:48It seemed like a small... No, that's the proprietor. It's the first guy that Javier killed outside. That was a good scene though. What does that do like a person Javier? The best, the sweetest human being. One of my best friends. Crazy. Yeah. That's inside of him that he can... Well, that's a thing. That's what makes him an artist. Yes. Yes. Because he's one of these guys that literally... He was so depressed during that thing. Really? Oh my god dude because he didn't like doing it. No, it's like look at my hair. What the fuck You know me that's a depressive His look at it look at him. Oh my god.

2:23:29He plates. I mean he's genius a good psychopath He wore SPF 100 he had an umbrella all the time to keep the sun off him You see how pale he looks yeah, but yeah, that's the guy the guy to the left that's chip But can you stand there for a second? So he was really depressed because of his hair? Yeah, and me and Woody would take him out. We would take him out to the cowgirl, what was it called? Cowgirl Cafe. And we would have drinks with him. We would make him because he would stay in his apartment with like the drapes drawn and all this kind of shit. He just didn't want to go out. He said, I don't like violence.

2:24:05I don't drive. I don't know why they hired me. Why the fuck did they hire me? Like, why am I here? Why did he pull that out? And I'm from Spain. like this guy's not from Spain. I remember when we worked we sat in a trailer and he said in that that proprietor scene he's has this great line he goes call it. He takes the coin and goes like that and he says call it and I says I don't want to call it and he says you have to call it. It's destiny calling for you. And we were in his trailer and how do you say it and I said call it and however you kept saying call it. And I said no dude call. Can you hear it?

2:24:39I'll put that on the list. What's the most? You have lost the coin toss. Sir, the most you have lost the coin toss. I don't know, I couldn't say.

2:24:56Call it. Call it, yes. For what? Just call it. Well, we need to know what we're calling it for here. You need to call it. I can't call it for you. You wouldn't be fair. I didn't put nothing up. Yes, you did. You've been putting it up your whole life. It just didn't know. You know what, Dady, son is calling. No. 1958. It's been traveling 22 years to get here. And now it's here. And it's either heads or tails. And you have to cycle it. Look, I need to know what I stand to win. Everything. How's that? Just tend to win everything and call it.

2:25:47All right. Heads in.

2:25:56Well done. Don't put in your pocket, sir. Don't put in your pocket until you're lucky, Quaterer. Where you want me to put it? And you're not in your pocket. What a little mixed thing with you. Others, and they come and just to go in.

2:26:16Which it is.

2:26:23I mean, if you look at that from a different perspective, you say that scene could have been the worst scene ever. It's because of the simplicity of the scene. It's just the consequences. It's the bonds. It's just hell. It's just hell. You know that this guy has some sort of weird morals. It's so good, man. Yeah, he's got some code that he lives by. He's about to impose this code on this guy. But there's no problem putting that bolt through his brain. No problem. And the guy knows it. And he doesn't even know what it is. Why? He just knows it. Yeah, and you sit there and you just kind of it's a great scene man.

2:27:05Yeah How did you not know that movie was great while you were doing it because it was so we were just The Cohen brothers are fucking amazing. They're amazing, but you were just having they had done two movies that were sort of bigger than what they normally do One was with Clooney and one was with Tom Hanks and it didn't work. Oh brother. Who are out now? No that fucking old brother I love that one. Yeah, yeah was it was big love? was Lady Killers and what was the one with Kurnat? Well, there you go. Yeah. But yeah, so I think that they just went back to this simple like Burn After Reading was after no country, which was also really good, super good.

2:27:45But yeah, they just kind of went back to this very kind of feral, you know, base place. And just said, let's just tell this simple story and let's let it happen. Let's maybe I don't know I don't think they're like how do you not know why you're doing it though like this It just didn't have that fine. I didn't have that vibe. It was so simple wild was so simple and and But then when you saw it though into the what dude when I saw I saw it with my kid Which was probably super irresponsible 16 he was like That's on the you know the cost but I saw it with him in an editing room on a big screen And we left and we got in the car and we didn't talk for 15 minutes and that's never happened.

2:28:29Wow. Like literally not one word. Wow. And then I said, what do you think? Can he go, fuck?

2:28:39Which is a great response. That's that movie. That's that movie. That movie is awesome. You know, you want to tie it together too in the end and like a typical Hollywood ending in Javier and my character go head to head at the end and that doesn't happen. and see, which is how it was written in the book, Corn Mac. And I got to know Corn Mac really well. It was with Corn Mac the night before he died. Oh, no kidding. Wow. So, and I asked that guy could fucking write. Fuck, dude. Some of the greatest writing, American writing, ever. Yeah. In the history of this country. There was something about his writing.

2:29:12It was like, Jesus Christ. That's another one of those guys, artists, where you go. I would ask him about his writing. He didn't want to talk about it ever. And then finally got mad at me one day. And he was like, I don't fucking know, man, I just sit down with the typewriter and it comes. Like, what do you want me to tell you? Wow. I was like, all right, man. I'm fucking 87 years old, relax. You're good. But he could write. I mean, he had some, he was tapped into, then talk about a guy who just like, you were like, the muse, and do you have a special place, and do you have this thing that, no.

2:29:45Just sit down and write. The bed that he was on, it was me, his ex -wife, his son, and Kormak that last night. Wow. Always at the edge of his bed was that typewriter that he used for 25, 30 years to write all those novels. And then he had one before that that was exactly the same. But that typewriter was on an old piece of wood at the foot of his bed. Wow. And even at the end, he would just grab that thing and wow. Get it out. It was cool. Yeah, there's rare humans like that that have that thing. Yeah. Yeah, they just tap into it and they just keep going they get on that path and they just keep going and just keeps getting better Just get better at it.

2:30:27We've talked about a series of very special people You know what makes the what's the difference of what makes somebody that Special that iconic are they crazy? Are they definitely different? They're different. Yeah, I mean, it's a resistance to the norm It's acceptance of reality. It's a poetic understanding of our place in the universe. There's so many different things that are all sort of coalescing into this. But they see through a different lens though. They're just made of it. They've made up a different. That's probably why you don't talk about it. You didn't want to fuck it up. He didn't want to fuck it up.

2:31:08Yeah, you don't want to mitigate. He didn't want to. Yeah. He didn't want to lesson it. He didn't want to what's the word make it make it pedestrian? Yes. Yes, you know what I mean? Yes, he didn't want to try. You know, sometimes magic is just magic. You don't want to like figure out what's, how it's happening. Just know that you can do it and just keep doing it. Exactly. You know, just be a craftsman, be a person who's like dedicated to this thing, you know? Yep. He has to know, he had to know it was really good. I mean, enough people told him it was really good. Yeah, but if you have even a guy like that who wrote the first up until all the pretty horses, none of his books sold.

2:31:49That's pretty crazy. Like a thousand people bought it, 1 ,500 people bought it. And then it was made into a movie. And then you go back and you're like, all these banned books that we know back in the day, 1984 George Orwell, Henry Miller, all these fucking people, you know, people like, ew. And then how many, you know, Van Gogh, painting a painting, and all those paintings being outside, getting rained on and now they're selling for a hundred million dollars. Yeah, all after he's dead. All after he's dead. Yeah. He never knew. He sold one painting in his lifetime. So he never got to not even a little bit experience what.

2:32:29Oh, look at what you did. Right. Wow, man. Well, maybe that's why they're so good. Because they have the purest opinion of expression. Yeah, he's just doing it. People paid attention or not. Yeah. and they were and they gave themselves to it. Yeah. 1000%. He's an artist. An artist. A real artist. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, dude. Thank you. There's a lot of fun. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate it. I'm going to read your book immediately. I would like you to. I will definitely. You're one guy would really like for you to read. I'll get on it. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Bye, everybody.

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