#2238 - John McPhee

31:11He's like all fucked up came to the comedy club. He's comedian Hans Kim shout out the Hans Hilarious guy. So he's like something happened. I don't know what happened We're like hey man go to a fucking go get tested right now while it's still in your system So he goes and This episode is brought to you by buffalo trace distillery actually have some buffalo trace cigars here They just sent me one of the world's most award -winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years Made as a tribute to the rugged free spirited pioneers who blaze their own trail to new frontiers It embodies the perfectly untamed spirit of independence It defines what an award -winning bourbon should be aged nearly twice as long as competitors in new charred white oak barrels and bottled at 90 proof Buffalo trace is the perfect bourbon to be enjoyed in any way anywhere And the taste it's damn good.

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33:12He's like no, like you have a lot of Xanax in your system And apparently that's one of the things that they give people to rob them. Damn. Does it cause hangover? I'm sure Fuck you can if you're gonna drug me. It's gonna whack you You know drug me. Yo, if you go rob me like I just want to say this to the world if you're gonna fucking rob me Like give me the non -hangover shit. You're getting my shit anyway. What is the non -hangover shit? I don't know whatever that shit is you know more about drugs than me. I think the army my whole life I don't think it exists damn it. Yo, I think it's prescription stuff or GHB I know a lot of people give people GHB.

33:44I've heard of that. Just get you like you don't know what the fuck's going on I've heard of people getting roofied that with if I was a woman I'd be fucking terrified to accept a drink from anybody Fuck dudes are I've talked to so many ladies that have had their their alcohol drug by someone When we go to bars they keep their fucking hand over their drink all the time Even when they're turning around looking away because they just never know some kind just drop something in there real quick Next you know you're going home with them. You don't even know where you are. I had a buddy He doesn't even drink like someone convinced them to have like a grout glass of wine small town North Carolina And like the cops pulled him over like No, you know not far down the road and he was like I don't know what's going on But I can't feel my hands.

34:26You know what I mean? And he's like he's just a regular guy, you know, and they brought him back to the station And someone had put I think it was a little bit of fentanyl or shit in the wine and like he he left and he said he felt fine And he was a drive and he said like I don't feel right even though like he doesn't really he had one glass of wine Like he might he'll even drink, you know, I don't even know why he had a glass of wine someone probably talk them into it You know, I mean he probably didn't even finish it, but he's like he you know he said he was lucky There's a lucky fucking non -human people out there.

34:58I'm telling you that's one of the things I want to talk about today is like There's fucking real evil in the world and in Iraq. We're in Afghanistan. You go into these fucked up places where they've been like I don't know fucking raping beheading people fucking Tribal shit forever forever like there was buildings. I didn't even want to fucking go in like you'd go and you'd be like every Fucking hair on my body just be standing up, and I mean I have to doorway I mean like I don't even want to clear this fucking building. You know what I mean? And I don't know fucking why but I know there's fucking old evil in this Evil's real.

35:33It's fucking real and if you've never experienced you can walk around delusion. Don't think oh come on It's real you can feel it like When I'm around real evil shit Only two places I felt real evil shit in my life is Gettysburg And fucking in Iraq. Get his Afghanistan. Yeah, I felt that like I did Because I felt evil before and it like makes me want to throw up. It hurts my stomach I mean in the area of Gettysburg. Yeah, yeah on the battlefield stepfather felt the same thing And he's not woo woo at all. He's like a real straight edge guy. Fuck man And then said it felt so creep. I was almost gonna me and me and my son were out there ghost hunting right and we were both gonna Throw up and I didn't tell him but like I had felt that feeling before that you said about Gettysburg because My stuff does never said anything like that before and he said just the feeling was so sad and creepy and you just wanted to get out of there I mean makes me want to throw up that feeling.

36:31I think places have memory. I really believe that well It's I think is energy and I don't think it can be created or fucking you know you've talked to science guys right? Energy don't go away, right? Well, I think you just don't see it and you can't measure it So you assume it's not there, but I think that's one of the reasons why when someone gets murdered in a house they have to tell you about it Right they have to because like people they they know like there was John Bane Ramsey's house when I lived in Boulder I lived in Boulder for a while we were looking at houses to buy and there was this one house There's like really cheap for the house.

37:05I was like this is a nice fucking house They had changed the name of the street so they could try to sell this house Because everybody knew that it was the house that John Bane Ramsey had been killed in oh They couldn't fucking sell the house and we were a lit. Yeah, fuck that house. We were looking at the house on like Zillow We're like oh, that's a beautiful house. Maybe we should go check out this house and then we found out we're like oh That's why they can't sell it like oh, man like they changed the name of this treat to try to sell this house Fuck yeah, she'll just bulldoze it. They should a bulldoze it and then What do you do about the ground that's still there?

37:37Where would you want to live in the place where the bulldoze the house where a little girl getting kept fuck that? Not not even not even joking about it. I don't want to live in it. No, no, no, no, no I don't even know what it is now. I mean, I don't know if anybody ever bought it Yeah, I grew up in old houses in the Chicago area You know what I mean and like some of them houses were creepy for no reason and some weren't you know what I'm saying like yeah Yeah, there's something there's something to that But I was I was in Iraq and I was in one of them like you know Uden kuse like fucking rape to people them guys were evil you went like they're like their palace.

38:12Oh, they're kind of shit all of them My yeah, I carry the I carry their bodies off an airplane and had a garden Until they got cleaned up by the Morgan DNA tested But uh Them fucking guys them palaces like they would pick up like fucking 12 year olds off the street They didn't give them the dog the lions we found them fucking so Oude had lions and the lions were it's not funny, but I mean it's kind of humor. I think it's funny The lions were like on The the army side the big army side and they were inside this fence right and then the lions were like just lazy as fuck Didn't care about no army guys and then one day I seen a lady and kids walk by and they're just behind chain link And then fucking lions went nuts and I knew like Only that fuck yeah Fuck yeah, they were fucking evil So many horrible stories about those guys that they would find a woman who was getting married and they would rape her and then Feeder to their dogs.

39:19Yeah, or then fucking carp outside the palaces. You know them big lakes Full of these giant carpsages while gonna eat bodies like you read about Yeah, but oh so I was down in one of those one night just cuz like I could be and I have my flashlight always been fascinated by ghost hunting by the way So I'm down there by myself just exploring, you know what I mean and like Fucking doors slam down me, you know what I mean? I was freaked the fuck out and I'm the only one down there You know what I mean like Freaked me the fuck out man and the energy down in those fucking like rape rooms or whatever I don't know the fuck you call it like they they fucking bad shit there.

40:02It's just like I don't know like it it like you ever ride like a roller coaster and it like turns your turns your stomach. Yeah That's how it feels to me in them rooms. I don't know what that is but it makes me also want to throw up and the stronger it is the more I feel like I'm gonna throw up But um Such fucking monsters It's just so crazy that that that story repeats itself over and over again like the sons of kings Yeah, they grow up that yeah, I always was a super fucking evil because they have unchecked power from the town they're a child Yeah, yeah, I got I got beyond us if I could clone myself And I'd had like a mini me right now.

40:43I would abuse them Just to make sure he grows up right. I would raise him right, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't and I when I say abuse him I mean like for some to work hard. Yeah fucking earn his shit his whole fucking life I mean like yeah, I had a guy like I had a I don't know what he was I was in the middle east somewhere and one of the guys asked me like our American baby Stupid and I'm like what and he's like our American baby stupid and I'm like why and he's like well in America Like there would be a fence at the edge of the cliffs so the baby can't go over in my country like the baby knows Don't go by the cliff and then like I don't know like fuck up on the fuck I bet they don't I bet the babies that don't know go off the cliff And there's those jeans never propagate again.

41:31Yeah. Yeah, that's the most harsh form of natural selection Darwinism right there The most harsh form of it. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, no fucking I mean kids that grow up outside lock key kids like when I was a kid. Yeah, you just Left out of the house by how fun and you figure out who's the child molester. Yeah Yeah, you figure out who's a creep who's what's dangerous go don't go near the train tracks. Can't hear the train to Delight stay away from your drums. Yeah, they're like her store exactly. Yeah, yeah, I did the same thing you learn about danger Yeah, I tell you my I got my first key. I was six.

42:05I fucking lost it like this Hey, my mom's yelling at me and she's like, you know, what do you got to say for yourself? I was like I still remember it's like one of my oldest memories is like I'm six Yeah, and she was just kind of like Yeah I'm six like I had it one fucking day like I never carried a key in my life like of course I'm gonna fuck this up You know and she was like we can't afford all these keys, you know what I mean right But at the same time like I'm fucking six, you know So we ended up having to hide it somewhere and then you know because my brother wasn't good at fucking keys either like you know It's fucked up that I don't want that to happen to my kids like I don't want my I mean my life was nothing like your life But I was definitely like let loose in the world, you know and not really given any guidance Tana ton of let loose with no guidance, but that's how you make a person like you like a person like you doesn't come from a home That has like, you know, your coddled you're taking care of you're always protected Like the only way you make like a legit beast of a man is that that man has to go through a lot of shit through their life And then they come out on the other end hard right because the only way right you don't You know, I've never met like a world champion fighter that came from like the happiest of childhoods Yeah, it just doesn't exist.

43:24I don't tell a lot of a lot of unit or special forces or range your guys like I used to call it the fatherless, you know what I mean and it works kind of two ways either You had a dad But he worked and he came home and he passed out and he woke up and he was gone before you got up And when you got home he was asleep on the couch or already out for the night because he fucking works A lot of hours or you kind of just didn't have a dad, you know what I mean Those people make special forces soldiers just like you know dad issues for a checker put her on a pole those same issues And a dude put some in special forces And I'll take the fatherless all day long Yeah, you know Those are the world champions I mean, that's Mike Tyson right yeah, he was 13 years old no family.

44:13Yeah gets adopted by a guy as a psychologist Who's all you know a hypnotist? Yeah, and is a great boxing coach and teaches him to become this elite fighter And you kind of think that you don't become that guy unless you're dealing with all sorts of unspeakable tragedy and horrors Right when you're a child. Well, you wouldn't have that kind of focus without that right you wouldn't have that monster inside Like you have to that monster has to grow because it needs to be there right yeah I would say like and I don't know what the ratio is but I would say like one out of every fucking hundred or 300 is like the fucking high school quarterback who married the fucking prom king very rare Yeah, very very I think I only knew one of those guys Yeah, those guys I bet if you dig into their childhood that dad is probably a little abusive.

44:59Yeah, or their mom or his brother. Yeah, something there's other things older brothers It's like you want to find the young brother the young brothers the beast. I'm the little brother The young brother gets beat up by the older brother and just constantly in battle his whole life Like so many fighters the best fighters have like like Chris Wyman's got a great story like that Well, I mean think about this if you had a fight your bigger brother off your whole life You would be good at jitsu Why cuz you understand leverage? You understand patience wait for the move. Yeah, take some punishment move later.

45:34You know the deal right? Custom to being in battle all the time right with your brother, right? Yeah, Hickson was a little brother to holes. Yeah Yeah, yeah, same thing. Yeah, and Horeon yeah Hickson is He's a unique guy because he was like the first guy that figured out like that physical strength Yoga all the gymnastic natural stuff that he did flexibility Like yeah, he was like a physical specimen on top of being super technical. Yeah, so he had like both things Yeah, he had it all I think way before people knew way before like He he knew the winning mindset and how to keep That mental edge with all the other things and the fighting was just something that he grew up to do I think him again, you know what I mean?

46:25Yeah, he had that samurai mind. Yeah, I'm telling you. I think he like I talked to a lot of people I know some legendary guys from the army right When he talks it's like this weird time vortex you ever talked to him like seriously like yeah, I've had a couple of podcasts with him Wow like it's incredible, you know, I went over his house once in like 2000 and him and um His his son and we were watching coliseum So coliseum was like the last time he fought when he fought Funaki and We're watching all the different fights he had a tape of it. We're watching it And he was breaking down all the things that all these guys were doing wrong.

47:09It was such a fascinating education He's like there's too much space. Yeah start here. There's too much space And he goes he had this good accent either right if he goes we started a neutral point We started a neutral point if I get to one I'm not going back to zero I'm going one to two to three to checkmate He goes I'm not going backwards. He goes these guys they lose position They go for here go for there all this extra space And he was like breaking it down while we're watching the fights. It was such an education Love that. Oh, it was fucking amazing. Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah, he's uh he's a legend Ah man like one of the great legends of martial arts You know if you let go into the history of martial arts Hicks and Gracie will go down as you know There's a Mount Rushmore of martial arts legends Him and hoist right up there.

47:59Yeah, I agree with that and hoist tell you like Hicks and he goes my brother was a hundred times better than me Yeah, well when hoist used to come to us he would tell us straight up. I'm not the family fighter Yeah, are are you know and I think what he told us back then was like I don't know Hickson was pride contracts UFC was different couldn't figure it out. Yeah, that's why hoist even fought right? I thought that was kind of the deal back then Well, I think that's a long time ago I'm worried and there was a bunch of different thoughts on it You know hoist jokes around he goes he goes look how beautiful I am that's why they wanted me But it was also because Hickson was very physically dominant and the idea was like Let's have this guy that doesn't look physically impressive to show jiu jitsu to show the power of jiu jitsu But if that doesn't work then we bring in Hickson, but I didn't know that hoist beat everybody And the Hickson went over to do Japan Valley Tuto yeah, and like 94 I think it was I used to love all those the Valley Tuto's pride.

48:56I thought that was the best. Oh The great the golden era of martial arts. Yeah, so when everybody was learning. Yeah, like holy shit. There's so much out there Yeah, I agree I loved every minute and then Fedor Mellian ain't coke on the scene. He's just like Fedor is my favorite one of all time greats He's another one. I mean if there's an greatest heavyweight of all time you have to he's got to be in the conversation I feel like back in the day we'd be like we'd be talking about fighting and it'd be like Man, I wonder if anyone's ever like done this from like the mount a Feador one like six fights like that and then like I wonder if anyone's ever done like something like this and like well Fedor won his last fight just like that and you're just like fucking this guy like You know this prime.

49:38He was a monster. Yeah, I agree and so stoic like this expression never changed. Yeah, he gets head kicked He gets suplexed. Yeah, nothing. It's like no one's home in there. You know what I mean? Just just didn't register He was just a machine. Yeah, yeah, I loved him and I like when he I seen an interview one time I remember his brother Alexander sure he was like Alexander His better than me if he just wouldn't party so much. Yeah, he was an animal And I was just thinking fucking Fedor saying his brother is better than him You know what I mean? Well his brother was bigger and taller and was a nasty striker Yeah, his brother was a vicious striker had good kicks.

50:13Oh my god. He was fucking good Yeah, but that was that was the days where you know Everyone was just kind of figuring out what worked and what didn't work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah He had a bander lay that oh man, it was also a time where everybody was juicy. Yeah, the whole the whole organization was like I had a friend who was gonna fight over there and he was 170 pounds and they said no We want you to fight at one eighty five go do steroids Like go do steroids Come back to do steroids It when Ensign was on the podcast. He told me in the contract It said like in capital letters. We do not test for steroids You're like go have fun.

50:52Yeah come back yoked up come back juicy. Yeah, everybody was juicy back Because it was the wild days. It was like the wild west right they just wanted the best most exciting fights possible. I think that's what people want now. Oh, yeah, I mean like I don't think the fans give a fuck about drug testing You know, I don't think look and I think this is for all like the Olympics. I get it But the NFL like seriously why you've been fucking why what? Test it what do you want the sport to suck like baseball? That was the thing when they were doing like Mark McGuire and all that shit and Sammy Sosa Why you test these guys is the most exciting thing is to hit a home run These guys are doing something that makes them better at hitting home runs everybody should do that thing Whatever the fuck that is think about how much more money that bring those organizations Yeah, but there was this thing back then that it was cheating But what it really is is science like they figure out there's a way where you recover more You get stronger you get faster like hey do that guys.

51:48Oh by the way Everybody else is doing it too. They're just like hiding it in some sort of a weird way You know, there's this masking in and taking weird stuff and there was you know that ballco scandal Whether or that's taking his stuff called the clear So they never heard of that. No, I had that kind of Victor Conte on the podcast who created the clear and what he what he's a scientist And what he did is he ballco labs they figured out that when they're testing They're testing for very specific metabolites so they took steroids and then they changed its slightly So that it didn't show up in the test and they're giving them the stuff and they would all pass clear And they were all fucking just monsters like Barry bonds.

52:28Yeah, it was a monster I met Barry bonds in 1994 I was on this television show called hardball And Barry bonds was uh, you know, who's a still a major league player big time famous He's famous a regular guy like you look like a regular athlete And then he started getting juicy and then years later he gained like 60 pounds Just fucking like smashing all runs like that would be good like you should keep doing that whatever you're doing I think that's all sports. Yo jump as high as you can take your fucking gear jump high run far smash each other Let's go. Well, that's the enhanced games. You know the enhanced games doing that They're developing this whole protocol right now and the enhanced games gonna let people do whatever the fuck they want that works And their ideas we are gonna develop the best athletes in every discipline And then we're gonna give them a lot of money and we're gonna like fuck the Olympics the Olympics is a giant scam Because the Olympics the athletes don't make any money and NBC and all these broadcast networks and the IOC They're making billions of dollars off the backs of these athletes hard work and no one is going to see them They're going to see the athletes right me and the athletes aren't even compensated.

53:42It's a crazy scam It really is because it's not like no if no one made any money Including the networks including the IOC great great, right? That's not the case. Yeah Someone's making a fucking shit ton of money, but it's not the people that are putting in the hard work It's the people that are pointing cameras at them. Yeah, it's the dumbest fucking thing of all time. Yeah, that's so the enhanced games is like Let's throw out the drug testing. Let's encourage people to do whatever the fuck that works and let's give them a lot of money So like whoever wins whatever they give them a million dollars And then you'll get like the elite athletes will be like well, why am I wasting my time competing for free Maybe I blow out an ACL or herniated disc and my career is over and I don't have shit to show for it or I can do steroids and then win and and have money for the rest of my life.

54:34Yeah I want to watch the steroids sports You know, I mean the enhanced league or whatever it's called like that sounds to me like the NFL is going away Yeah, I don't want to see the mountain hit another mountain. You know what I mean like let's go if they just got Did they told the NFL? It's just say everybody get juicy fuck those guys are already freaks. They're already doing it like You know, I mean I can only imagine I don't know But my two senses like you're doing it anyway. Just fucking go with it the way I understand just don't talk about They let them know when testing is happening and so then every way so fucking money, you know, I mean like phone it in Let's just phone that in you know, I mean like yo, I took that drug test.

55:18Okay, click say some money for everyone the drug test should be multiple choice Yeah, yeah, the drug test should be we're just kind of Curious if you've had any success and then we want to know what works so we can recommend better stuff to people right But there's a weird thing about you know protecting the athletes health like hey fuck face. They're playing football If you really cared about their health you would tell them don't play football So there's no way you care about their health. Yeah, there's no fucking way. Yeah, you know, it just doesn't make any sense I mean there's inherent nature is a danger there.

55:51Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, everything gets blown out Yeah, how about vaccines? How about you making them get vaccinated? They're fucking heart attacks on the field. Does that make any sense? No, you don't care about their health. You're full of shit. Yeah, those guys didn't have to worry for a second about COVID They're elite athletes of the highest order. Do you really think that's something that is literally only kills like 0 .03 % of the people who get it and those people are most of them have comorbidities You really think elite athletes of the highest order had to worry about that. Of course they didn't It's all bullshit.

56:26You don't care about them. Yeah, let them get juicy. Yeah, fucking juice So that's good. Let's get that gear You know what I mean? Hey, let's take those piss cups and turn them in the fucking drink cups Serve them some whiskey in the locker room Let's get this shit going and I want more fighting in my sports. You know what I mean? Like hockey. Yeah, I love cock the last sport that allows Fist fights normally in the middle of a sport. Yeah, it's the only sport that allows the occasional fist fight Yeah, what's kind of crazy? I live in North Carolina and there's a there's like a little local hockey team at brag and like Every I go to a lot of hockey games because it's like it's like seven bucks for like a long time You know what I mean?

57:06And they'll fucking blood on the ice on the Thanksgiving day And you know, they'll throw like they'll they'll have like a non league team come in and it's fucking blood on the ice man These like the southern provisional hockey league like I love this house It's just wild that that's the only sport where fist fighting is allowed. Yeah, it's kind of crazy because it's grandfathered in Yeah, yeah, because it's basically baronacle boxing in the middle of a sport. Yeah, which is real weird Yeah, well then you got soccer where like you know, you rubbed elbows with the guy and he falls over Yeah, like what the fuck you're faking it like yeah, I have children.

57:42I know the faker Like the fuck like I'm a parent you can't fool me. Well anybody could see it's the dumbest thing like a hand. Yeah Yeah, they fall on the ground and they're fucking holding their side. They're holding their chest. It's so dumb But it's also one of the reasons why it's not really accepted in America You watch that flopping where like come on get up. This is so crazy. Yeah, I totally agree Especially when people watch football you watching guys get fucking way laid. Yeah 300 pounds super athlete you get up and shake it off. Yeah, and then they're way back on the field Yeah, the guys like it just has helped me a little bit You know, and I mean takes his mouthpiece out you get a good book move on I just started watching football literally this last year and you know when I see guys collide I fuck I've had so many injuries knee surgeries and shit and jiu jitsu injuries.

58:29I see guys get hit I just like fucking hold my knees. I hold my back like oh Is it's the most brutal shit of all time a guy who's 290 pounds is running Full blast and colliding with you with a hundred percent of his strength. Yeah Yeah, it's fucking crazy man I used to when I was 38 as a star major in the army and like I don't know hand to hand jiu jitsu kind of got boring for me So like I was looking for other hobbies As at the px and I seen like the Fort Bragg rugby team practices like Tuesday as six or something So I just went out there for something to do man And I'm gonna tell you you think fucking jiu jitsu fucks people up fucking go play fucking rugby Matter of fact stay the fuck away from rugby like is fucking brutal and no helmets No, nothing man in like When I was a kid, I don't know if I can say this But we played smear the queer all the time like I don't know what you call that But that's what's just called when we were kids.

59:27I come home. My shirt would be ripped I'd get another beating because like you ripped another shirt these are expensive You know what I mean? But it's like it's my brothers anyway, right? Like not like you bought me a shirt but Man It was like crazy my first practice like the ball sitting there and then one of the coaches like grabbed the ball and run So I just fucking grabbed the ball and just ran every one of these little motherfuckers over and then Like guys are like man, what college you play in I was like Uh I never played a rugby a day in my lean on my first game You know was like fucking in my third practice, you know, I mean it's crazy But in in doing jiu jitsu and fighting people in Iraq every night like I thought rugby was kind of easy The guy's running at me and I just got to take him down fucking double legs and then I started getting more tackles And anyone in my coach, you know, they keep stats and be like you had like 80 tackles a game.

1:00:20How do you do that? And it's like double double double leg take down single leg Maybe a trip. Yeah, you know what I mean, and but And then like one of the times, you know one of the coaches was like hey, we teach us how you know How would you how do you normally tackle you get the most tackles and like Double single legs. See basically teach them wrestling. I just thought wrestling. Why don't they teach them that? That would seem to be like I bet the pro level fuckers are doing that they have to like have to you Yeah, I mean kissing with this like I know a lot of linemen Do like Callie for hand speed and stuff like that, you know what I mean right because they got I got to win the hand fight.

1:01:00So I know there's a lot of sports that use a lot of disciplines So I would imagine they would have to be Fucking having you know wrestling practice or take down tackle practice, right? I would imagine they're doing Same shit as everyone else for just understanding leverage and how to manipulate a body right Yeah, right. Well, there's no pads So you know, you can't come 30 miles an hour into this tackle You might have to come in at 10 miles an hour You know, I mean because you got no pads right, you know Well, that's the argument against pads and football is that these guys the only reason why they can play the way they are and call I do the full box because they have helmets and pads on yeah, which is totally true I want thicker helmets and more collisions.

1:01:44Let's go Come on, it would be a wild game if you had American football and no pads I mean, that's what they used to do yeah, they had those little leather Yeah, they could pay me to wear one of those get the fuck out of here with that. I wonder how many guys died playing that Oh, imagine how many concussions how many head -to -head collisions running full blast And then you know if you're some Owen you're really got some big giant dude Yeah, you're gonna go head -to -head with guys because you know you're gonna win it. Yeah, fuck every time So you're just fucking head -button everybody. Yeah, the army team has a lot of tongans Poor brag a tongans are paratroopers as people.

1:02:24I don't know how that works, but they are man. They all play rugby A buddy of mine was like I was like, you know you how you know when when you start playing rugby He was like I was like three, you know Huge guy like I knew I knew I was doing pretty good at rugby when the tongans were like we'd pick they'd pick teams And all the tongans would be like we want big John You can have the rest and I'd be like yeah me and the tongans against them right? We'll fucking crush the people, but like they start playing with like a coconut Jesus imagine holding a coconut and just going down ribs on a coconut like And I'm like why would you play with a coconut?

1:03:02And he was like well There is only one rugby ball on the island and the bigger boys had it Like okay like Yeah, but um yeah I played rugby for a while and I stopped doing MMA to play rugby But what I realized is rugby is way more injury prone and dangerous So I kind of went back to jujitsu. Oh, yeah one on one is definitely you can control a lot more of what's going on than a bunch of dudes Yeah, colliding into each other. Yeah, I agree man I know rugby's awesome. It is awesome. It's a weird how it never took off in America. It's kind of strange You know because we love violence You would imagine that rugby would be something that we would have adopted.

1:03:41I think the only reason it's not popular is because of the time Like it's like soccer once it starts it doesn't stop Americans want to go take a piss and get another beer and come back and then they want to do commercials Yeah, and like big thing about soccer and the game never stops tough to sell commercials right? You can't stop the game right where his football you have a fucking yeah Time bro. Yeah, whole half hour. Well, you ever see the apps that just show you the plays a football a whole game's like 12 minutes Actually work. Yeah, I mean You know what I mean soccer this motherfucker is already wanting the entire minutes.

1:04:16Let's go and it doesn't stop You know you have to be an insane shaped place soccer You're the cardio. It's just nuts. You basically sprinting for the entire game I never played soccer, but I don't think I would enjoy it Well, we went to watch they're the they have a professional league here in Austin And these dudes have these fucking quarter horse legs. Yeah, they're like thin upper bodies Fucking gigantic legs because they're just constantly doing plyometrics Yeah, constantly sprinting and going side to side left and right and Fucking crazy cardio. Yeah, but it's never gonna sell in America if you can't have commercials Yeah, I think that's why rugby is not popular elsewhere Yeah, I mean that makes sense.

1:04:54Maybe they just change the rules a little bit Right, you know, okay, give us a little break. Well, it's kind of crazy Here's what we're saying is rugby starts and stops without a time That's the same thing we want for you. Just said for MMA. Oh, yeah Right, that's the problem with MMA too, right? You can't have a no -time limit fight because how you're gonna get the next fight at midnight Also, dude's would kind of fight to the death like if you get the best of the best today Where they're so evenly matched and they're brawling for four hours five hours like and then it would probably end your career Like at the end of it you might not ever be the same again.

1:05:31Yeah, yeah, be spent like you got one of those in you right Because there's a lot of guys like there's a fight and you could point to that fight and say he was never the same Yeah, Tony Ferguson Justin Gace a lot of people point to that fight Justin Gacey better Tony Ferguson so bad He was he was undefeated up into that or maybe he lost a couple of times But he was the boogie man Tony Ferguson was the scariest dude in the sport and then one bad beating and he was kind of never the same again Because one bad beating just changes everything. Yeah, he's never really recover. Yeah. Well once you lose the mental edge, right?

1:06:07Like there's a little bit of that But there's also like a bad beating to the brain like he got just he got hit so many times in his head a bad beating to the brain after a certain I mean No matter who you are if you're sparring and if you're fighting you're getting hit in the head Period and so over the course of your career You're already accumulating a certain amount of abuse and there's one fight that could break the camel's back Yeah, again boxing. I always point to Melderick Taylor Julio says or Shavez like Melderick Taylor was the fucking man When the gold medal in the Olympics and Shavez just methodically broke him down and then stopped him in the last round of their fight like literally two seconds to go richer steel stops the fight and From then on he was never the same Just he took so much of a beating in that fight that he was never the same again Yeah, I think that happens with soldiers too I've seen a lot of guys were like We got more to derocketed and then Next deployment guy Yeah, I think there's a there's a time where everybody says enough's enough right?

1:07:10Yeah, yeah Whether you want to or not and then once you reach that point like coming back from that point right Become that mental champion again. It's fucking long road Is there anything like you as a leader when you see a guy who's maybe crossed over in that way? Is there anything that you would do to try to bring them back or is there nothing that can be done? That's a great question Define bring them back define what's wrong with them right? I guess a confidence thing or just being Terrified so like new fear being introduced you know a lot of guys think they're Indestructible. Yeah until they're now and then all said now.

1:07:53This is a new factor. Yeah I used to teach a tandem jumping and bundle jumping in the military and I don't know if you ever seen my social media But like I'm in the sky flying and there's that huge barrel under me I used to teach that and what would happen is if you had a bad jump of you know bundle jump You would have to cut away and we called it the nightmare right and you got to end the nightmare And this thing starts spinning you out of control It'll be so many g's that like you'll pass out the parachute will open later right you'll be fine but We used to tell guys right like fucking end that nightmare make sense now You're the captain of the ship so a guy would have to end this nightmare However he ended the nightmare right And then what would happen is afterwards we'd review the video and I'd have to show a guy right And then We'd leave him in the classroom for a minute and we tell him hey gather your emotions Whatever you need to do and then get on the next plane Get right back on the horse get fucking back on that next plane You know what I mean and Guys would do that you know what I mean a lot more seals needed that time then like unit guys because unit guys like Yo, I'll fly this motherfucker up your ass.

1:09:10We ain't gonna have no problems the day son You know what I mean? I'm gonna fuck I don't know I think the difference is that the unit is always more mature than seals It's an older culture. It's older guys More experienced guys more methodical guys more planned out So like in a lot of times like you know younger guys normally the seals though have their jump numbers but they're like their core they're what Makes you you confidence Dexterity strength fucking health It ain't there yet and they kind of freak out once in a while younger guys. It's a maturity thing I think normally happens of the seals most unit guys are pretty mature Then have been through so much shit by the time they get to the unit that like you're probably unshakable by then but You see that in fights too like young undefeated guys who fight like a world champion who's like in their 30s and that got break some down And then you see like they don't know what to do when things are going sideways And then mentally they fall apart.

1:10:21Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right That's when the bad decisions will start, you know what I mean? And the reality is is you gotta snap your fucking self out of that You gotta fucking put your parachute back on and get the fuck back on that airplane I had plenty of those jumps. I've cut away more Fuck I had a cutaway training for d -day last year if I can put my cutaway you can see all fucking low. I am and everything you know what I mean Uh, and I have procedures. I have another parachute like we're all gonna die Am I gonna let it ruin my day kind of thing like let's fucking move on you know what I mean But how did you develop that mentality just over time?

1:10:57I think that comes with what I just said is the core of a person And I think this what the army is really good at is developing this core right in this core In this core right how do I develop your confidence? Well, I don't fucking know I couldn't even define fucking confidence because I went there Chicago Public Fucking School system But I could tell you this if I taught you to rally race car drive and you got pretty fucking good at it If I taught you Jiu Jitsu eventually you're pretty fucking good at it I show you skydiving eventually you're pretty fucking good at it right why is because every one of these things I showed you world class level and we brought world champions in to show you right eventually You're gonna gain confidence.

1:11:41It's the taking your daughter to karate or jiu jitsu Little kids the jiu jitsu they have confidence that other kids don't have right That's what you got to build so it takes a lot of different skills and getting guys good at a lot of different skills to build that Fucking unshakable core you know what I'm saying yeah Yeah, and it's It's a matter of when do you introduce them to like extreme adversity do you build them up slowly? Right and it has to be built slowly right yeah and then we used to say this like um Uh Aircraft training right let's say you got a breach in airplane right and you got to climb a fucking 20 foot ladder because these mother fuckers Ain't low to the ground right and you're hanging on a ladder and you weigh fucking 200 and fucking 80 pounds in your shit But you're on these fucking lanners with fucking six other guys who all weigh the same as you or more You got to crack the door get the fuck in this airplane right now Let's just say this is your first time and you crack that door the first time and as an instructor I know you're cracking the door and as soon as you crack that door I fucking shoot you in the face You know what I mean yeah and with the training round right how fucking embarrassing right and then the reality is is Yo, you just move ruined this motherfucker forever.

1:13:05How do you breach an airplane? Oh? What's the what's a successful protocol for breaching an airplane mechanical or explosive What do you mean? Sometimes we open doors sometimes we blow doors it depends so which one you want to know about okay? Let's go with mechanical yeah, most most doors have a lever on the outside that can be activated and most doors There's a certain way they open right my team. I was always kind of like a primary door guy And then there's a certain way doors open. There's latches so all airplane doors open from the outside So but once you breach it though you're in a tube you're in a tube.

1:13:47Everybody knows where the door is It's a very vulnerable position. Yes It's what's the protocol for breaching a door when you're in a tube like that so What you have to do is breach as many doors as possible and get as many people in as possible as quick as possible And everyone goes to positions right you got cover guys you got runners you got searchers It's a lot of shit that needs to go on on these fucking aircraft same with a fucking big cruise liner, right? so um Everybody's gonna once the door is open everyone's gonna flood in and kind of like go to their places You know what I'm saying?

1:14:23Mm -hmm right So you Plant it out you know where you're gonna be yeah, and then you're still dealing with the chaos of your in a tube And there's only one way in yeah, and things are coming at you no matter what yeah, yeah, yeah So there's no clean way to do that not even once Let's Not even once no fuck no man You know what I mean? What a crazy fucking task. I know but the back to the point is if a guy cracks that door any door Let's say it's your first time. I'm showing you like all right Joe. I'm gonna show you some You know close quarter bad all I'm gonna show you how a clear a door and then just joking around like you're about to go through a door And I shot you in the fucking forehead You wouldn't mentally never want to go through that door again, right?

1:15:10So I have to build you up to where well the first time you come through the door Why just let you come through the door? Right, and then it builds from there God and then there's a point where it's like, well this motherfucker shooting through the crack of the airplane Wait for them in this fucking bitch. I got two pistols on me. This motherfucker's going down. You know what I'm saying? Yeah so as you're As your confidence your core that core of a human being like that core of an operator, right? As that like becomes Fucking concrete a guy's just unshakeable like let's go. I don't give a fuck what this position I don't care like I don't care if I fucking die.

1:15:48Let's do this, you know, and it's consistent training over and over and over and over And oh do you think that this is what's missing in the police force? Oh man. Are you kidding me? First of all, I work in a lot of police departments. I love police. I support police all the time So fucking thankless job. I'll say that yeah But I would say like think about this Joe if you trained police better right I work at a lot of police academies. I've helped a lot of police academies. They don't fail people anymore I show them what I do. I train them to do what I do They have great success with it. I would say this in a police academy.

1:16:24Let's say it's six months long. Whatever they do. I don't fucking know Probably about four months of that is fucking paperwork And then you know, you get a little hand -to -hand you get a little driving you get a little shooting And then you learn what yeah, but I'm gonna tell you this as a cop you got the rest of your life to do that paperwork And when you're in training right as soon as you like get your first arrest your training officer is gonna be like don't write it that way Hold on. Let me see your paperwork like this Uh -huh the paperwork could be OJT and they could spend them time right training these guys and if no I'd also say this is If police were trained better and truly Uniform officers are probably the only guys like Stopping crime as it happens if we train those guys better.

1:17:18Why would we need spot teams? Right you have we swap teams through the whole thing Everyone's everyone could be SWAT and if we got ten and ten of us come together We're our own SWAT team. Yeah, and then we could operate independently. We could operate one or two and like I think police don't do the force multiplier thing like each guy is his own fucking bastion of The law, you know what I mean? Like I just think they kind of shed Injuries they don't do hand -to -hand right shooting could be dangerous, right and then most shooting is You know the instructor is god and you are fucking stupid That's how most training is it's like basic training and I like no one learns well like that either you know what I mean right Yeah, I I'm always shocked when I see fat cops Like really fat cops and I was like how Your whole life is your body like your whole life is you have to be able to physically defend yourself You have weapons you have you know the law and the uniform and bulletproof vest and all but Your your physical body is almost useless Yeah, I was at a football game the other day and there's this like obese cop like enormous belly I'm like this is disgusting.

1:18:36It's ridiculous. Yeah, you've let yourself get to this point where I know you can't even run You can you can't you can't last 30 seconds. All someone have to do is grab a hold your arm That you would use to take your gun and control that arm get you to the ground and you're fucked Shit, I just baseball collar the back of their fucking collar their shirt or the fuck you going That's crazy. Yeah, look Okay, first off I think also police should have different jobs like the army so Okay, if you were 400 pounds maybe you're the computer guy at the police force or a desk guy or You know what I mean?

1:19:16Like right. I don't think everyone needs to be the fittest human being ever However, if you're on patrol get the young six foot kids in there, man You know, and I mean they can handle themselves. They're young. They're bigger than normal right? This is why a lot of troopers state troopers used to have like a six foot six one six two height requirement Because a six foot two man can generally handle most people right, you know what I mean? Especially a fit one. Yeah, yeah, so I think the fit guys need to be on the force I think I think there's room for everybody But I think with police is your police officer or your detective and then that's it But really you're always a cop versus like well the army right?

1:19:59Okay, there's drone pilots. There's all these army jobs that kick the infantry kids out the door Right Why don't police kind of organize like that and that way like the guys are going to run people down can run That's what drives me crazy about this whole defund the police horse shit Like are you fucking crazy? You should be funding them more fucking crime is real. Yeah, it's real. Evil's real Evil's fucking real Yeah, yeah to pretend it's not well, that just means you haven't experienced it Yeah, you're living with blinders on yeah, yeah, I say I agree Yeah, it's just bizarre that we Expect these people to encounter danger and evil all day long their whole lives like 25 30 years And you know you don't you don't train them probably you don't fund them probably and then they get disrespected by the public Oh That's the worst what the worst I think the worst is when like the mayor or the police fucking chief Is like not supportive of all or the fucking guys and it's like you you think the guys have bad intent You know, I mean I get it there might be bad apples or whatever Everyone's got 10 % say what you want but like how about Kamala Harris when she was running for president She was all about defund the police.

1:21:12I don't know how that sells with anybody in the country I mean it's fucking crazy. It's a crazy thing to say it really is a crazy thing to say yeah, yeah, I mean If we defunded the police we'd be mexico quicker than we thought yeah, right right because the cartels will just drive over the border. Yeah That's real yeah, yeah What do you think about this idea of using special forces guys to fight the cartels? This is first and foremost like if you were like yo We're gonna wipe out a cartel tonight I'd have been like I'll load my frags extra careful like let's go right but the reality is is like Uh, I know all my buddies are like yeah, we'll fuck them up in a night.

1:21:58We'll fucking yo yo Fucking let's back up a fucking second here The cartels have fucking men they own the ground they have fucking technicals they have machine guns they have Fucking everything an army has Right and they've had decades to train waiting for this Number two and number three our governments fucking compromise so if you think they ain't gonna know you're coming You know what I mean? I think you're fucking hot. Jesus Christ. That's a terrible So so so government so compromised the cartels gonna get the word out before well how we gonna help look We're not gonna be in fucking sneaky.

1:22:39We're not the Israelis doing that fucking page or shit You know I'm saying you know that needs to be the model for every fucking thing we do in the future no matter what you think about the Israelis What's going on in Gaza that pays or shit was yeah, which tells me America should go back to making its own fucking cell phones And it's own we shouldn't have our fucking comms made overseas at all in any way shape or form in my opinion No, I've been saying that forever We should have our own cell phones fuck and the fact that we're buying so much shit from China Fuck especially after they banned Huawei because they know that Huawei stuff was compromised and they're having third -party input And be able to spy on people.

1:23:16Yeah, it's fucking crazy. Well, this is why we got to go back to making America like it used to be We made our own shit. We use our own shit. We wouldn't have to worry about none of this Yeah, it's um, it's a very strange thing what's happening in this country where China's allowed to buy land sneer military bases they supply cell phone towers They put all these different they sell us all these different shit and we don't really know I mean, I don't know how many experts are investigating these fucking cell phone towers fucking zero I bet fucking zero Mike Baker was on here and he was telling me about how around military bases like China has installed their equipment and all these military bases like at Formula One where we were My buddy owns the track and they found these Chinese boxes they had attached to the Wi -Fi So they were just scooping up everybody's data They called in Homeland Security to have them remove it and investigate it So they raised track a race track book, but they knew everybody was gonna be using this public Wi -Fi Probably no VPNs probably no security and these people are getting their all their shit siphoned up Fuck they're so sophisticated in how they've infiltrated.

1:24:29It's fucking crazy Then we just allowed to happen. It's very strange because you can't buy shit in China If you think you're an American company going to go over China and operate with autonomy you're out of your fucking mind You can't buy shit. Yeah, they'll they'll never let an American never No, they don't want a 90s would never buy communication devices from America. No, and they certainly never let America buy farmland right next to their military bases Fuck you. Yeah, we're like true. We'll sell it to you. Are you gonna pay more? Oh boy. We'll take your money fucking It's weird. It's weird how goofy we are.

1:25:06I know and then like Well, I think it's this Joe. I think people don't realize how fucking dangerous the rest of the world is and how like people are like plotting against us and It's fucking real out there the world is a crazy place. I say this like you don't know how fucking safe you got it here And how fucking great we got it here. You know what I mean like people don't know that because they don't never leave here So they're stuck in their own fucking bad attitude of like their own grind or whatever the fuck they do And like look, I'm telling you the world is fucking evil people will fucking rape you kill you.

1:25:42No one gives a fuck like Protect yourself all the time. Well, you've been departs the world Will you see this firsthand? And I think it's one of those things where if you don't see it You don't believe it. Yeah, I'll tell you that one of the I think the biggest thing I saw in Iraq I think in maybe 2009 ish There was like the most fucking US soldiers Ever been in Iraq right like whatever the numbers around fucking know right but When Iraq had the most fucking soldiers that has ever had in Iraq is when Iraq was the safest Think about it You know what I mean? Oh, we had to do is flood put a fucking tank under every fucking overpass in every fucking neighborhood There's a machine gun and fucking 50 cal on V right like who's fucking around they're everywhere And that's the safest Iraq ever was I'm telling you we have that here and people don't understand that in general So if you wanted to fund the police black man, we're fucked, you know what I mean?

1:26:45Yeah, like it's it's a crazy, but You know um, do you know Evan Evan Hafer? Yes. Yeah Evan was We were in elk camp and he was explaining some of the shit that he saw when he went from Iraq to Afghanistan Yeah, it just how he's like afghanistan is so fucked that you can't even comprehend it until you're there Yeah, he goes once you're there and you see it and you understand it you you become so cynical You're almost like this culture is like Unfixible and he's like most people just don't know that a place like that exists That's so just down to its core so fucked and we was talking about how These guys have these boys that they have as their their harem and they were nine boy What's that?

1:27:31So the Egyptian special forces called him the number nine boy. He's the boy that gets fucked Why number nine? I don't know That's what the Egyptian special forces call but every afghanistan village had a fucking name What do they call it the chogi boy? Yeah, but basically the 12 year old to get raped He was saying these guys have harems and they would parade them down the street to show they have the most boys Yeah, this was this happened to me on my So I did a solo mission afghanistan the book killed bin Laden ever hear of it. Yeah, uh, I brought a hard back for it I'll sign it for if you want Sure, but it's hard to get a hard back.

1:28:07It's like it's like it's got library shit in it I had to buy it because like people always ask me to sign it. I didn't write the book. I'm just in it um, and People always ask me for a signature on it right? So I bought like I don't know a family or friend someone Why don't I bought it like a lot from a library? They didn't use them no more because they don't sell the hard backs no more but I went out on a mission alone in afghanistan. I was going 10 days first. I think first successful mission of the war uh My opinion. I don't know. I don't know if there's other missions or more successful than mine, but um, so I went out alone and then I do the recon.

1:28:45I have the footage I need. I have every fucking thing I need to launch a raid We I'm alone we stop. I'm in a fucking jingly truck, right? Like I fucking just I'm in this truck I hitchhiked basically from jolabad into the tour borough mounds I'm in a jingly truck with this fucking driver. What's a jingly truck? You know where they like it's like a fucking like a Six wheel like dump truck, but like they hang the chains and bells and they paint it like 17 different bright colors and they They've never seen a jing yeah fucking jingly truck Fucking jingles man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck is that yeah, so I'm in one of these motherfuckers with this motherfucker, right?

1:29:31He's like a logger. He runs the valley. He's always in the area But like I don't know any of this fucking I can't even talk to the guy. I don't fucking speak shit. You know what I mean? Um, and then like it's fucking dangerous. I had to go through checkpoints. I had to act like a retard To get through a fucking checkpoint I know has that a fucking checkpoint and the dude was like There's this fucking the checkpoints in Afghanistan. They're fucking sketch You know, they got like one piece of yarn across the road You better fucking stop or you'll be shot. They don't give a fuck about you and like So the car in front of us.

1:30:08I think the fucking like this dude like stole bread from a little kid You know, and I mean little kid was eating a piece of bread I just snatched it out of the fucking car yelled at the people I thought he was gonna shwack him because it didn't have anything to give him that he wanted So I'm in this jingly truck comes next fucking a K in the chest la la la Fuck I don't know the fuck he's saying right but I know if I speak English I'm dead So not an option So uh, he's like yelling at me right and then finally I just figured I'm gonna do like volume level 12 and just fucking yell in his face right so I just get super close to his face Which he didn't like and I'm like no And the guys like one the book and then like backed up and then motion like The motion like get the fuck through here with a K wow Yeah, so what you just on the spot yeah Another one I had a I picked up like a dirty towel or blanket off the floor and they took that Right, but what I learned being out alone one of the things I learned is you know you like you watch the movies And like they pull out a water cash and they're like Wink get me across the border there friend Yo, these motherfuckers are just shoot you in a face and take everything you got Don't whip that shit out.

1:31:31You're gonna get murdered. They're just gonna take it all I mean, they'll steal bread from a fucking kid. You think they give a fuck about your life You know what I mean and then just fucking throw you on the side of the road and let you rot like they don't even care about the smell like So like uh, yeah, I had to act like a retard through this one, man They don't give a fuck man. I don't give a fuck. Just figure that out on the spot on the spot. Yeah, so We get I get in the truck we do the recon. I like had a literally I had a cigarette bag I think it's like Kent or some shit. I don't fucking smoke but like Kent cigarettes.

1:32:03I had a plastic bag with my bug and sat phone and Anyway, I had to get a camera out Get it under my arm and I kind of filmed the house right US eyes on And then I had to get the footage back. So we get to the end of the valley. It's fucking dark You know, there's no way we can get out of the valley before light So we stop at this house and the drivers like you know motion us in right? It's the Muslim right of they can't turn you away right so we go to this house We're in the room bunch of old fucking grumpy men. They don't fucking like me at all And the driver and the driver I guess goes there and crashes all the time when he's in the valley right so this is normal for him to be here And then so in that room they had like this boy and they fucking drug him into another room And you could hear yelling and shit and I was just like what the fuck do you do?

1:32:54I have Everything I need to pull off the first successful mission In Afghanistan for the American government. Okay Do I save this kid and compromise my mission or do I just get the fuck out of here And pull this motherfucker off and the reality is I had to look the other way and I like it but So I took my speed you know to give you speed. I took my speed Stayed up everyone to bed. They fed me dark opium tea. They tried to put me down That's why I drank the tea anyway knowing it was spiked And then I took my speed to kind of counteract it and then everyone to bed I laid there just wide away And laid there wide awake like I fucking shut in I these motherfuckers are gonna cut my dick off and stick it in my mouth because that seems like what they like to do and then Finally the middle of the night I fucking Fucking got my aka stuck in the driver's face.

1:33:50I drug him out to the truck like right before sun up And we fucking left the valley but like You know compromise the mission or save the kid. What do you want? What's it gonna be man? And then like you just see this all over the place So you you were like one of the first guys to do these singleton missions. Yeah, yeah So when when they set you off to do something like that like What's the protocol like how do they how do they even Good luck, you know, I mean I don't know like what do they say? Well back then it was a guy Dalton Fury right the guy who wrote killman Laden wasn't my commander and Oh, okay, it's a long story.

1:34:33I wrote I'm writing a book. It's finished Maybe someone would want to publish it, but it's called the singleton and it's about my going out alone but They see I was I was at my base. I was in a sought -a -bad and we were just getting rocketed and mortared every day It's kind of like mortar bait whatever And then We had like fucking zero liquees and chuees no fucking candy no beef jerky no fucking pop tarts They'll fucking nothing right and we're just sucking it up and like I got to eat fucking these afghan mother fuckers cook us food And like I mean vegetables. I don't even know what the fuck that vegetable was.

1:35:13I don't even recognize it as a vegetable You know what I mean? Yeah, I know that's fucking goat because it tastes horrible, but I don't know the fucking I don't even know what the fuck they cook me, you know what I mean? It's like Anyway So I go to my boss and I'm like yo, hey I want to fucking go to the main base right and steal poge from the fucking chowho What's pogey? Pogi bait is a term for like beef jerky Snacks candy cookies like any kind of like snack food, right? So And my boss is like yeah, if you you schedule the airplanes you make all the coordination's you can go and I was like fucking bet man, I fucking scheduled the helicopter like my fuckers You don't know how resourceful I can be you know what I mean?

1:35:56So I scheduled everything for the next night And then like I drove my head of red Toyota truck I drove my Toyota truck in the back of the Chinook right so tight in there you can't even get out you got to just sit there Hoping I got a piss they fly me to the main base Fucking land drive in the main base like by this time like the armies like Taken over where like you got to like fucking salute um fucking the army base in Afghanistan like two weeks ago Like a fucking S .A .S guy lost the leg in a landmine, you know, but um So I go to the base and then these the commander sees me and and he's with his sarn major another guy And they're like this is our fucking guy right here.

1:36:38So like hey, what are you doing? And I'm like About to raid the chowho You know Like the fuck's it look like I'm doing you know what I mean like if it's one thing a moments right so uh I was like Yeah, I'm getting pokey for the fucking for our base like what's up? And they're like hey, we got a mission for you and I told him Hey, I'll do it right, but you just got to tell my ask my boss if it's all right because I didn't work for these guys Um, and they're like okay cool. They're in my squadron, but like not my direct boss, right? So they call my boss my boss says fine and like they sit me in this room and they're like hey We want you to go out alone and I'm like okay, and they're like explain everything to me We want you to go out alone like do you have any questions?

1:37:20And I was like my only question was And it wasn't a question. I looked the commander in the eye and I said tell me you're gonna cover my ass if something goes wrong And he was like uh Oh Yeah, we'll cover you like yo you could have gave a fucking better and man up with that answer You know what I mean like you know what I mean? He gets it's like we can't turn on just thinking Well fuck man, you know what I mean now. So what were they telling you they wanted you to do go out alone US eyes on get footage of this guy at his house so we could launch right because The generals back then weren't in line with bushes dead or alive and they were I believe the Pentagon was a bigger hindrance in the big And a war than they were fucking than they were worth but um how so Well The general at the time that was in charge of us our task force right and we're talking about tier one like the guy in charge then Had like two rules Number one you can leave the wire if you get US eyes on a target Okay, okay, and number two no one leaves the wire Well how the fuck are we gonna do number one without if we can't leave Figure it out so the commander I was because I was when you say leave the wire Yeah, what do you mean like go out hunting for bad guys leave your base, you know what I'm saying go out and come on You can't leave your base, but you can leave the base Who but you got to get these eyes on to launch a target so you got to get your recon guys out there doing reconnaissance because we need these reconnaissance and US eyes on to hit these targets Okay, we want to launch a cardisans Yeah, no one leaves the wire It's kind of how it worked man, right?

1:39:11So the reason they used me is According to the army the army at every level is great at accountability 100 % we need to know where everyone is at all times right so when I flew to the other base I was in transit Right, so they left me in transit for a week So instead of saying I left the wire I was just in transit because I was in transit anyway to go get pop tarts Wow, so they lied to everybody left me my stand I didn't know this at the time. I like like this could have mattered less to me. I learned later, you know, but they paperwork nut shell the general And sent out reconnaissance and that was me Wow, and then they came back with the eyes on and the general agreed to launch the mission And it was a success and no one asked How did fuck that someone leave the wire because no one cared because we were successful, you know what I mean?

1:40:16Wow So what are you thinking when you're out there doing this like what what is going through your when you agree to do this? Fuck figure it to fuck out. I don't fucking know. I'm not trying to have anything in my head right now It's crazy. It's like they just let you figure it out. Yeah, so you have to feel very vulnerable Um, I don't know I wouldn't say vulnerable, Joe, but uh, I do think this is like there's guys that like fucking make it happen You probably got guys like this any task you give a guy is just like wait, you're done with that already like Some people can just make shit happen and then I'm one of those guys.

1:40:55That's like my one of my better qualities make it happen. So like Fucking go make it happen motherfucker Go act like a retard when you get pulled over man. Do what you got to do baby like fucking survival of the fittest So the problem is once you do one of these now you're the guy that can go do these things Yeah, and I did hundreds in Iraq and fucking loved it Yeah, you loved it loved it. He loved it. I love it. Fuck that. Yo, you you okay think about this, Joe And and you do Jiu Jitsu and you fight right you want to depend on yourself Or you want to depend on yourself and people you don't know what the fuck they're made of Who the fuck are you gonna trust?

1:41:40Don't trust yourself right? So I it wasn't really a big stretch for me to be alone. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I do Um, still a very unusual mindset um, yeah, maybe I don't know and then my my other mindset is like No matter where I am no matter what I do Everyone in a 25 yard radius is gonna fucking die Just so I can make it home and if I had to kill everyone in a whole village god damn right everyone in that fucking village would be dead for me to come home. So Uh, I just figured yo fucking be ready to fight at all times. I learned A hundred to one lessons learned leadership lessons a hundred to one being alone versus being a pack of 30 mother fuckers, right like y 'all let us come ram this down your fucking throat and we'll call it Tuesday You know what I mean?

1:42:29Where when I was alone like You got to make better decisions. You're a fucking coyote. You're a ghost. You know, you got to make ghost decisions The fucking you know the bravado like we're gonna kill everybody the fuck we are. We're not gonna fire a shot Why because like you you fire one shot as a single tin you better be ready to kill everybody Because gunshots is a fucking dinner bell for psychos, you know what I mean? So Are you ready? You know what I mean? And the reality is is like I had to think other shit do other shit Had to act like a retard, you know, and I had to get along with people.

1:43:02I had a How to do so much shit that is out of like even the commando norm as a single tin, you know I think of no one that can really teach you this fuck. I mean I know I don't teach a guy how to breach an airplane right how the fuck you're gonna teach you gotta act like a retard if you get pulled over how you gonna teach you guy to be a singleton and Right, well, we used to tell guys I used to tell my guys all the time and this is a unit thing But like I could train a monkey to shoot. I'm training you to think I Don't care about the shooting because if you're thinking right the shooting will be easy.

1:43:40You know what I'm saying? Yeah But yeah, man I'll tell you I thought about riding a leadership book calling it the single tin and just kind of the lessons I learned, you know like So few guys have done that, you know like I see all these like, you know, I don't look at the internet. I don't watch the news I don't do any of that. I don't do social media. I have it. I don't fucking look at it. I don't have it on my phone. It's not worth my sanity So I'm like a fucking time capsule for fucking the two thousands, you know what I mean? And like I Never understood some of these other like veteran stories You know, I never I never kind of look at the lone survivor I never understood the full story because I went out alone all the time That shit didn't happen to me mother fucking seven Taliban on my ass You want to see seven fucking bodies super quick, you know what I'm saying bring them boys up here, you know, so I never really fucking understood some of these other stories Because I had such a different experience.

1:44:42I can't fathom if I was with five, you know, the times I was with five guys You know how many people I was with three guys, you know how many people we killed in the battle of Torah borah fucking hundreds I just stopped counting on my first day like So having said that like I don't understand some of these stories because I had the experience I had You know what I'm saying to very unusual experience. So how many guys were singletons? Fuck I don't know any You don't know any I mean a couple of my buddies, but like not like me Wow Yeah, and then once I did it it was kind of my lot in life. How many pages is this book that you wrote?

1:45:19I don't know like fucking 20 chapters. I wrote a big book. It seems like it have to be I wrote a 500 fucking pages. Yeah, yeah So I wait to read that book shameless plug if you know Listen to someone needs to buy that book 100 % yeah, we'll get that book sold all right. We'll get that book so 100 % So that lead me to read that book right now. I'll give it to you I'll get I'll text it to you. Oh, okay. I'll text it for real. I'll text it to you. I'm done with it Okay, yeah, I think it's as good as I could get it and I'm just a reg oh man Chicago Public School system I didn't even take a book home because if the school loses the books they can't teach so it was like Half half my class was in the book and the other half was homework and you left the books in class So like I didn't have homework.

1:46:03You know, it's probably better because you're gonna get it like yeah from you Yeah, with no gloss. Yeah, no bullshit But which leads me to Iraq where I did hundreds of solo missions. I was a taxi driver. I had like I don't know fucking 30 50 vehicles and I So once they realize you can do this yeah, like oh comic fee. Yeah, well, no, it's just kind of my thing Like you don't have to call me just tell me what you need Wow, yeah, I mean my boss is new how to use me like that so you started enjoying the craziness of it. I love being alone Why did you love it so much? I don't know I hate to say this but like Guys like me are generally fucking assholes like you've met a few guys like me and they're like Yeah, I was afraid someone would get away like shut the fuck up man.

1:46:55God damn it. You know what I mean like so Not really a fan a lot of like alpha males They can be dicks at times So like yeah kind of set me down my down my path as I just stayed away from the dicks and did my own thing You know what I mean right? So you just had you had your mission and you enjoyed the fact that it was all up to you And I didn't have to fuck with no one else. It's on my timeline fucking and I will make this happen Like I will make shit happen that other people can't I don't know how I don't know why but I just will That is such a wild experience like your experience of war must be so different than everybody else and it's just because of that Yeah So haven't said that we're talking about Iraq.

1:47:39I brought some show and tell items which brain I brought something I have never fucking shown before What do you got and I believe it's fucking evil You want to see yeah, I do what is it I got I got get it out of my box. No, you got a box. I brought a box I'm kind of scared What's that? Hey, can you google Saddam Hussein Mauser? This is his hat. Yeah, it's the one where he shoots the Mauser in the air at the fucking parade grounds I was given that to bias Taylor Wow, yeah that one the liner fell out the liners in here look It's uh you can see what kind of had it is the glue fell out of the liner but look That's fucking crap.

1:48:39I rolled up his tailor And all his butlers Anybody who touched his ass fed him or touched his dick I fucking rolled them mother fuckers up Wow Saddam was captured nine days after I left I had to leave for Christmas This is crazy. This was on his head now. It's here. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, wow. Yeah But uh, it's a Piccadilly fox fur hat Uh, I also have a sweater. I took a I had always clothes like Man, fuck I had everything that guy. Uh, but uh Yeah, his tailor. Okay, so Saddam's in her circle, right when when I was working Saddam We're working a Saddam piece, right? Some fucking legendary hits that no one's ever fucking talked about like We did the clever shit fucking Dern Saddam and I will tell you this is I learned on my fucking singleton mission at gaff canna stand the first one We need to be a lot fucking smarter if we want to crush these mother fuckers And I'm not talking like we captured two bad guys.

1:49:48I'm talking we go in kill everyone needs to be killed capture Everyone that needs to be captured And fucking would do this right, right? So um Yeah, with the Saddam piece, right? Um his tailor and his butlers and Saddam's inner circle was all Christians Hmm Fucking every one of them was a Christian and Saddam believed That Christians if they martyr themselves go to hell Muslims martyr themselves you go to heaven So he surrounded himself with fucking Christians So his tailor his butlers his Jawahla's all those guys that fucking wash and his ass feeding this mother fucker We're all Christians and it's why Christians flourished in Iraq which they're you know like I'd like to I'd hope all these guys are still alive But the reality is is like isis probably fucking got rid of them after Saddam's gone, you know Isis killed so many fucking Christians, you know, no saying yeah, but they were all Christians and uh, so his uh I uh It started with um The ex ambassador Excuse me to the US and then I met the tailor and started talking to the tailor and then one day he brought this hat And he brought some clothes and I was like what was this and he was like you know He told me this is the one where he shot the Mauser and he had some clothes.

1:51:16I grabbed a sweater I wear this sweater on Christmas Eve and then Hey when I was when I was fatter it's like it's like a fucking halter top my belly's had my belly fat's hanging out You know my family's like I don't know anything I'm nuts, but uh I normally wear that sweater on Christmas I forgot to bring it around a broader but wow Yeah, now that I lost weight, I think I'm actually said on size, you know those I have spooky, you know what I'm saying I end up being the same so I could have wore all those clothes, you know, and they Wow, but uh, yeah, there were Christians right and um We rolled up the tailor Uh, the tailor gave up a butler like I was Me and another guy were at the tailor's house Right and we were gonna snatch this guy right this butler and the butler is the guy who used to wash Saddam like he bathed Saddam Every fucking day.

1:52:07So Saddam had someone bathe him. Yeah, he didn't bathe himself. No Crazy, right? Yeah, we're but he had a lot of a lot of but they were all Christians and they were all Honestly, they were all fucking nice people to be fair like all the Christians were great people um, anyway Uh, yeah, so uh, I'm in the house with another guy and the guys early So we fucking shoot up on the roof the guy comes I call my guys. They're they're not really in place yet so uh, he comes He leaves he only stays a minute and he's gone, you know what I mean? And these I think all these inner circle Saddam folks know They were valuable to us and and like they realized they were gonna get snatched at some time so he was like he was out right Um, I called my guys right and then uh Literally my guys were like two blocks away as he was leaving he ran into their Humvee He ran into my guys and they're like hey this guy just ran into us and like this vehicle.

1:53:09I'm like that's the dude He got an accident. Yeah, he ran into our guys in a Humvee He was trying to drive away and like crashed into like the guys that were gonna snatch him Wow, yeah, I'll tell you another Saddam story. This is this is my one of my favorites Uh Saddam had like regular pieces of ass and like his favorite piece of ass was this Butterface lady I don't know what she did for him Well, she wasn't a looker, you know what I mean? So like Look and feel are different things Saddam knew what felt right to him obviously um, and she was married And we wanted to get to her. I mean Maybe Saddam's favorite sex Partner wouldn't know where he is right?

1:54:01So So We have the tailor the tailor knows who he is. So we have the tailor kind of Invite him to the tailor stop shop. This tailor had a store in downtown Baghdad So he comes in the store and uh I told my guys if he doesn't come out quick to uh, I had a couple um, I don't know what they're called now Mohawks I think is what they call the Iraqi counter -terror guys Oh before they were even established like the guys were with us, you know So we had a couple of those guys um, and uh I have them start fighting in front of the store right so literally Everyone piles on in the street to see these guys fighting right like everyone piles out of all the shops stores And everyone's watching these two guys fight Literally the guy we're looking for like walks up to see the fight and his back is to the van door the guys that are gonna snatch him Wow, I'm calling him like Yo, you see that tall guy that's our guy fucking snatch him and no shit van door van door fucking open Nobody even knew where the fucking guy went the tailor later was like where did he go?

1:55:12Did you take who took him where did this guy go? Where does this man at? You know, I mean like No one even seen him get snatch right that's such a clever idea. Yeah have two guys fight Yeah, what is gonna come on later? My boss was like who those guys fighting? I was like that's our boys and he was like wait, did you do that? And I was like, I didn't want to be there for like six hours like you know what I mean? Like how do we speed this up? We got shit to do today like you know what I mean? That's my efficiency is my thing like That's genius. Yeah, that's one of the and we did so much. Hey, all right.

1:55:45I'll tell you another one my first sedom hit uh I worked A lot of intel side for sedom me and a couple other guys So we worked somewhere or not with our squadron and we worked with another government agency make sense So we get to call the squadrons doing a hit. There's a sedom sighting right so this is like the beginning like 2003 Iraq we were fucking Ken block in it with fucking maps like hit the third traffic circle go out on the nine o 'clock like Literally I get us to fucking Ken block and fucking navigate and through a fucking shitty Baghdad fucking street map I get us to the fucking target right Humvees are already there the rest of the guys are already there rangers got the blocking positions.

1:56:33I'll set up So we get there we raid the house right we get all these guys and I'm finally There was like no fucking shit Joe. There was like I don't know 15 mother fuckers It was like a sedom look alike fucking contest. They all had the mustache There's like short fats of doms. There's like tall skinny sedoms So it's like body doubles Well, I don't know if it was body doubles, but it just all looked like yeah because like the sedom look was popular the mustache And I mean not that they all look the same but they kind of all look the same you know from my perspective at the time Right so like it was like well no wonder someone called this in it's fucking like they all look like sedom Me and I mean right and then on the outside like Fuck man the ranger shot up these vehicles at the blocking position I have my squad my my son major was like hey go fucking clean up the bodies and I'm like Why the fuck am I on brains detail?

1:57:29I didn't fucking shoot no body today And he's like you're the only one with a regular pickup truck that could haul the bodies And I'm like fucker already thought it through this is why this guy's the boss, you know what I mean? And then Lesson learned that day is you know like in Iraq you just drink water out of bottles and then throw them in your truck Man, we were loading bodies in there's fucking 100 water bottles in the back of the bed Someone just come by the bed of the truck and throw an empty water bottle in like at the house or whatever Right and like I'm throwing bodies and fucking shit in the back of my truck And there's like bloody water bottles squirting everywhere as a fucking mess man So I learned that day like my vehicles are always clean Always fucking clean From that day on but like is a fucking mess and then Man, they shot up this fucking this old man this old lady like they ran the checkpoint They were about they're about to Hit the humvee with the rangers so the kid shot at the driver But like the kids didn't the rangers back then didn't know as much as rangers know now, you know what I'm saying And the kid like shot the warning shots at the driver But he hit the brakes And the fucking vehicle will never stop if you shoot the brakes if I don't know if you know that but And if I can hit the humvee I like fucking 40 miles an hour broke the transmission and I had to clean up the bodies Had a set up an HLZ take them later to the HLZ, you know what I mean?

1:59:01And then it was like my is my first sedom raid in Iraq and it was my first Experience in Iraq with the rangers and like that day I was fucking fed up with them You know like there's some young I fucking 18 year old kid medic in the back of the truck And like I'm like hey fucking give these people morphine He's like I'm not supposed to give the enemy morphine sergeant, you know what I mean? I'm like You know, is anyone look like a fucking enemy to you here? Anyone fighting you in the back of the truck? Then there is no fucking enemies here, but fucking give these people some drugs So like release we ain't got a fucking here.

1:59:39I'm mowing and shit, you know what I mean And like the kid like I had a force him to like fucking be humane, you know what I mean? Because he was just trying to follow orders later later would they be so much better right? But Well beginning of the war like my first that was my first sedom hit, you know what I mean? And I was just thinking Fucking this is gonna be awesome And a kid was shooting down the street with the 50 cow like Imagine just a fucking city street in Austin, right? And you're parked in the middle of the road and you just shoot with a 50 cow off the top of a humvee You know like eight feet off the ground do those tracer rounds would skip down the road It was breaking glass fucking going through cars fucking, you know 500 yards down the road like People scattered like is amazing, you know 50 cows amazing You know what I mean?

2:00:27And then that had a fucking pickup guts, but Well, this is the fucked up thing about it is like you you went through all this chaos You're uniquely qualified for chaos for some strange reason love chaos is my jam man as soon as this gets confusing Yo, I got this, you know what I mean? But why is that? I don't fucking know Seems to be what I do best. Yeah, I think so. Does that something that like You accumulated this mindset over time. I think you just always have it I think it was beating to me Yeah, like think about it when I was a kid the house was chaotic. Yeah, you know, I mean you learn You learn the chaos Right, and then it's just Your design for that Brinkless Yeah, yeah, I guess so I don't know I think I'm a normal guy, but like people tell me I'm not Yeah, I mean I understand you I understand you It's not normal, but I understand you.

2:01:27Yeah, I mean like look I just feel like okay We're all gonna die. I'm not gonna let it ruin my day. I've been through bad shit. I'm not the fucking victim I've done bad shit. I'm not the fucking bad guy. You know what I'm saying like Uh, and then having said that it's like I don't know man. I think it affects everybody differently, but I Think you know before I retired I was burned out. I didn't know I was burned out. I was an asshole every day Fuck and I was you know you know, you know, I mean I just fucking guys are coming to my office. What do you want? Yeah, too slow get the fuck out when you know what you want come back.

2:02:03I'd be like Okay, sorry, sure Well, you were operating at 10 you always yeah, and then I learned man like I was having a lot I fucking hated my life. I was miserable. I hated being a sergeant. I hated being an army management Is what I called it. I'm not a leader. I'm not a follower. I'm not a soldier. I'm fucking army management And that shit is fucking dry fucking toast, you know what I'm saying? Yeah And I just got out of fucking bag dad. I know six fucking killing people like oh six was a great year, you know And then I got to sit on the fucking staff and do this shit like I just fucking killing me Joe and then So like I wasn't a very good star major.

2:02:43So I realized one day like man. I think I used to be funny Like you know like when I was a kid like I'd catch that beating if I could say that one fucking smart ass comment to you I might get beaten more, but I fucking said my piece, you know I mean even as a little kid I'll take the beating the fucking call you and asshole. Right So like I kind of maybe had that mindset going into it or something, you know what I mean like But Oh, yeah, man. I just think like I think a lot of it just goes back to my childhood and being able to Manage the chaos one minute. We're fighting the next minute, you know someone's at the front door Let's go answer the crazy thing about it is like if you are You're running them You're running any branch in the military and you're asking a lot of people To find someone like you that you can find someone who doesn't just accept this but thrives on it That's like try recreating that in a lab fuck you know I know how do you how do you make that you can't oh no I've only seen like I don't know in my experience of all the guys I know and all the combat I've seen I'd say there's like just I mean You know we're not we're not the common guys I mean maybe a dozen in my life So you guys on a group chat?

2:04:04Fuck no fuck now you'll talk to nobody You know what I mean you'll never know who they are they fucking talking to you me fucking nobody And some you know of the you know I maybe know what does another guys Eight probably still work for the dark side of the government as old men wherever that is Yeah And the other guys are like raising families and don't want you fucking with them right You know what I mean they don't do shit like this Yeah guys like me don't do shit like But the thing about it is if you didn't talk about it people wouldn't know right like I think it's great That you talk about it.

2:04:39I think it's important. I think people need to I mean people need to you know We're trying to like fill in an understanding of the world And until you've talked to someone who's experienced a part of the world in a way in a way that No one else has you don't know that that's a thing right like the fact that you can come and talk about this is a very good thing For everybody thank you because people we'll see like okay like this is this is super complicated Like this the whole thing super complicated and to have a guy that could talk about Navigating probably the most complicated aspect of this super complicated thing and to actually thrive in it It's very strange Thank you.

2:05:26I still think I'm normal Joe. I think I'm a regular guy. He's definitely not normal But I but like I said I understand you the thanks man. I get it But uh yeah man and look I got some more items you want to see something else? So uh I talk about stories and some of my videos about being a taxi driver I also had another vehicle That was an Ude Kusai secret police vehicle so when I drive this vehicle downtown like the fucking sea would part the road could be packed And then driving my vehicle and people just move what kind of vehicle is it It was like a maxima a Nissan Maxima, but it's what the Ude secret police drove You know what I'm saying and then they carried these and I'll show you Well So the the lion is the Babylon lion and that's the symbol of the republican guard But I used to carry that as a taxi driver and when I get out of the taxi people would see that fucking gun and just fucking walk away Wow And that's a republican that's what the republican guard rock those silver guns It called I say it's a pearl handle, but it's like plastic.

2:06:42Yeah, there's nothing fancy about it But specific to them. Yeah Yeah Wow Yeah, I had a guy make it for me Elk ribble tool handle yeah, there's only so many guys that'll do AKs Yeah, I'm like, you know what I mean you you want to you want like a silver AK? What are you the cartel? No, get the fuck out of here. You're not serious about guns. You know how many fucking nose I had to collect up to like Anyway, but that's my republican guard. That's my taxi driver Had that made specifically because you knew that they carried that no I captured that on the battlefield and carried it in Iraq so that is one But why does it say bozman Montana?

2:07:29Well, because okay, so If you bring one home you get fired But what I did what I did is I took the handguard in the pistol grip And then I had a guy make a copy Of what I had Yeah, yeah Okay, so it's I mean it's legal and everything but so the handguard in the pistol grip is from the original gun Right, but that's exactly what the original gun look like because I didn't look when you're in the defo Like you want to get fired for bringing back an AK, right? fucking you know what I mean like Dumb like you know what I mean like it's not worth the risk, right? But like it's like hey, can I bring this handguard back like the fuck you want that garbage for that's a yes You know me yeah, yeah, yeah, and then it took me a while to get but yeah that guy built it for me Just got it kind of matches the hat everybody.

2:08:21I know likes to take a picture with that hand So that's kind of popular, but uh Yeah, the hats been in Texas here for a very long time Ben Storden Texas Uh Got it documented about as much as possible as I can some fucking nightmares. I don't know. Hey, you know anybody that would might want it Will you sell it? Yeah, I bet someone want that. I don't I don't want it Yeah, I don't want to get in my house. No, fuck no, Joe. Why do you think I keep it in a black fucking box? Yeah, and like yeah, I don't want it But I know there is people out there that would treat it better than me like I mean that crammed it in a box Yeah, well and the guy that's stored it for me put it in glass You know what I mean like he kind of knew what he was doing Actually, I had it stuffed in a bag You know what that would be good for?

2:09:12Zach Begins haunted museum Hmm. Yes Do you know Zach? No, I hear that place is fucking creepy. My brother said it was fucking creepy And my brother likes creepy shit and he was freaked out. Oh, he's got everything in it He's got a Kovorki and van and we killed all people and he's got the Camaro from fucking the wake go. What's Koresh? Does he and like the serial I think so I thought he bought the Correct you were gonna yeah, wasn't the serial number like I am God or something wasn't that the serial number? It's a 68 Camaro and it was for sale and I came that close to pulling the trigger on it But I was like I don't want that fucking bad juju in my life.

2:09:52That's it 68 Camaro from Deadly Seed Zach Begins. Oh, he does that so he bought it So Zach bought it. Yeah, that's the one selling it. I think oh he's selling it now. So he got it. It was for sale 23 this was from a year. No, this it was for sale quite a while ago and I was gonna buy it I felt somebody somebody emailed me and told me that they know I love old muscle cars And they said Koresh's Camaro's for sale is like ooh and I went like this. Let me buy it and I was like no The fuck am I gonna do with this yeah, yeah, I'd rather buy one that has no history. Yeah. I have a 69 Yeah, I love them.

2:10:27I love old muscle cars. So I was thinking about it But I was like no, no, no, no, no, no, you don't want that in your life. I had a 67 Camaro when I was a kid Look at the title David Koresh wake, oh Texas. What's this? Is this serial number say I am God or something? No, it's normal look at the bin numbers normal. It's a little bit number Fucking crazy asshole. Yeah, that guy I When you know you went to the mothership last night. Yeah, I was gonna buy another building before that that was run by a cult and they moved out here It was called I forget what the What's the name the Bodhi tree is that what it's called?

2:11:07Anyway, there's a documentary around it's called Holy Hell. So this guy this guy He was a yoga teacher in West Hollywood and he was a gay porn star and a hypnotist. So this fucking guy He got a lot of ass So what the Bodhi field that's it. Thank you. So Waco goes off right and then the cult awareness network starts investigating him and he's running this cult in West Hollywood So he escapes in the middle of the night and drives out to Texas Moves to Austin tells everybody come here and they all move out to Austin and then he has them build this place It's called the one -world theater and all the cult members ran this place for years until they figured out that this guy was fucking everybody One guy sends out a mass email.

2:11:54So hey, this guy's been hypnotizing me and butt fuck me for the last 10 years And everybody's like me too, so then they'll find out that he's fucking everybody this guy So they all leave the cult falls apart the buildings for sale. So I swoop in When I move here the buildings for sale Ron white tells me about the building being for sale He's like this building fucking awesome. I'm there you should get you should buy it So Ron white's my hero. So I'm like oh, I had fuck it. Yeah, you know, I need a club We're gonna open up a comedy club. Let's open it up in this place Also, it's problems with the building code this that lot of environmental lot of shit So I get out of it, but I bought the building before I watched the documentary So I watched the documentary and I'm like oh, no Same thing it's like these fucking people though all the lives lost they lived 20 years These people wasted 20 years of their life following this fucking asshole And he's got this building But the reason why I bought the building was because of Waco So wake when Waco pops off they they were like oh geez these cults are fucking dangerous So the cult awareness networks starts going after everybody so this guy moves here and changes his name So goes like back then you could kind of change no internet you could kind of change your name and know it Oh, it's a different guy And so he builds he has his whole all his followers build him this theater Hmm so for a brief period of time I was on the contract for that theater.

2:13:16Do you go in there building? Oh, yeah, yeah, was it creepy in there? It was a little weird this guy would like he had this Theater it's beautiful theater. He had it built so he could dance in front of his followers So he could perform in front of his followers Who's a weird cap? He was like a really handsome guy when he was younger But then as he got older he started getting plastic surgery and got look real weird And he would like be thinking about getting something done So he'd force one of his followers to go get it done And so they'd get it done they'd come back or the fucking cheek so he's like hmm I kind of like that and then he would go and get the surgery done at the end of it The end of the documentary he looks really fucking weird Because he's got little talks and he's like She can all weird shit to his face Yeah, but the feeling in the building was just like like a loss That's what it felt like loss Just oh no Yeah, you know like like you don't want to buy a house from some people that they went bankrupt and they lost everything in their family Fell apart then you're in the house like oh This house feels like sadness.

2:14:18Yeah, that's what I felt like we could burn some sage and fucking party in there for a few days We'll clean it up get some good energy. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad that that didn't happen Yeah, why even go through that? Yeah, well, it was kind of funny at first. I thought it was funny until I found you know I'll cult on did oh this is funny and then my buddy Adam called me up because hey you watch a documentary on that cult I was like oh no There's a documentary. That's never good. Yeah, they don't like document documentaries about the good cults No, and it was a fucking it was horrible the end of the documentary like you're tearing up You're like oh these poor fucking people because he's so many people some people are just gullible and they they're not bad people They just want someone better than them to tell them how to live life.

2:14:58Yeah, that's all of this They need something. Yeah, they need something they're missing something whatever it is something went wrong And they're willing to believe a lot of really ridiculous shit and then 20 years later they realize they're wasted their life people do a lot of weird shit color religion Exactly. Yeah, yeah, and that was this place. Yeah, but That was because of Waco that this this guy built this thing. Yeah Damn the Waco thinks fucked you ever watched the the raid? I know yeah, I mean the raid kind of like we got the briefings back in the day Like you know the raid was a couple years old, but yeah It was about the raid it was very fucked.

2:15:38I mean they just cooked those people. Yeah, they burned it down Oh, yeah, those are if I could see the tanks like shooting fire into the buildings and I don't know what happened caught fire Yeah, it was back in the 90s when you could kind of get away with something like that and people didn't really know Yeah, yeah, like well, we didn't know it would burn well, it is made of wood Yeah, but I mean we shot fire at it. Yeah, I don't know what happened. Yeah, yeah Crazy All right, you ready? I got some other stuff. What else you got what else you got? So check this out I Got a swag bag for you. Okay.

2:16:10I got a bunch of stuff. I make that I do right So I just kind of want to I like to do this right look. I got you The SOB hat. This is the best hat We sell right here. It's the one I wear this on the range every day. Okay. I got your same t -shirt as me team I so be sure Right well welcome to the team Joe. Thank you. We're glad to have you One of my second favorite shirt of all times is this and I wear this every day when I all cut Do you really oh wait? Oh, no, it's the wrong one. I got a shirt. I'd sell these shirts They're called slaughter things and it's all I wear now. Can you know anything?

2:16:50But look we got you shut up hippie shirt. I sell a ton of these like I wear these Other knives bullets bullets Got your shut up hippie shirt when I go to California teach California classes I wear a shut up hippie shirt all the time And then tons of guys buy him. I had a guy. He comes to my classes. He's a younger kid He's tall got a young family, right? They go to I think asheville, North Carolina And they're eating it like some destination like you got to go eat here and it's a bus So he's a big guy, right? And he's in this like school bus And that's where you got orders in his old school bus So he said like my shoulders almost touching the ceiling and he had to put his head down And he had his shut up hippie shirt on behind him and some a some hippie behind him was like Better be careful wearing that shirt.

2:17:39You'll get your ass kicked around here, right? Hey any any says he looks back and he pulled up his shirt and he said better mega to gunfight and they shot the fuck up Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah, well North Carolina is gonna get your ass kicked. Yeah, that's so funny By hippies. That's so funny. Okay, it's the most gentle ass kicking of all time Yeah, thank you for that. You know what I mean? Yeah, okay. I got you condom holster. I make these 365 it's your EDC you um you make these out of leather right? Yeah There may not a leather it's also on Sean show. Yeah nice. It's it's all I use. It's all I wear it is the most comfortable holster Here and that's all the stuff for you.

2:18:18I'll give you the bag too also Oh, I got a bag. Okay, so check us out. Here's another thing. I use all the time the cooling schmog So basically I saw this too. You know what the you know the schmogs right? Yeah, basically I made a cooling towel the size of a schmog. Okay, so like when I'm on the range literally I just dump a bottle of water in my neck the fucking thing absorbs it. What's it made out of? It's the cooling material. You know like the cooling towel material right but the the problem most cooling towels is They're not big enough. So it's like one layer on your neck and it dries in like two minutes this right This you could kind of get double it up poor water on it.

2:18:56It'll stay cool because I've seen people they're making gear and close Yeah, it's cooling material. What is it? I don't know. I think it's like it the way it's woven to where when the water drains out of it It cools quick right and it's materials that cool clicker or feel cool to the touch. Yeah kind of deal without knowing what it is I've heard like people talk about clothes that they make out of this they like it's really legit For whatever reason it like keeps you cooler. I would wear t -shirts on the range made of that shit every fucking day. I'm outside Yeah, yeah, fuck yeah Especially in the heat, you know what I mean?

2:19:30Okay, so check it out. I got you a couple slings. I don't know if you have rifles, but okay 100 % made in America Everything on the sling is made. There's a cutie on there. I make Traditionally cuties in their gun world if somebody wants to buy any this stuff where do they get it online? Sheriff a Baghdad joke. Sheriff a Baghdad .com. That's right. That's right. Okay. Here's another thing. I got you a punchers punch daggers So it's g10 I got I got a few of them here. Okay, so this doesn't even go through a metal detector That's right. There's a there's no metal in the sheath. It's all plastic screws a cleans up easy.

2:20:07No No DNA you could clean it in diesel fuel. It'll wash all the DNA off these a few you want You know the alcohol yeah, I think so I think so just go to the gas station Yeah, yeah, you could you could do fucking dish soap, but you can't permeate the plastic. It'll come clean And I sharpen them with I sharpen them normally with like 400 grit sand paper It is really sharp. But the reason I made it is I always wanted something where like you I was always wearing my body armor right and I wanted to just put the punch dagger right in the center That way if something happened I could get it right Boom and just start fucking punch.

2:20:49I mean the whole problem with knives is you got to learn how to use a knife But with a punch dagger if you could throw a punch right you could bury that thing in someone's neck You know what I mean? Which what I would tell anyone James been looking for one of those for a while. How about you Jay? One car gets that aligned Yeah, hey It'll clean the DNA off sand it down a little alcohol. Okay, another thing I made and this is super important I call these combat bands It's a high temperature silicone, but it's a rubber band the so what here is When like when I carry this rifle I'd put a sling on it, but if I'm in in and out of vehicles the sling is always just hanging somewhere right So I'd put the rubber band on the gun and then I just weave the sling underneath the rubber band So this such as the barrel doesn't melt right right and then back in the day I had to use actual rubber bands for parachutes And if I can last a day like in the heat in Texas a rubber band will last one day in a car Well, well, that's only one day.

2:21:48I might I got to go to out every day in my car, right? So when I retired it's one of the things I wanted the most so I made them the Guys use them like put suppressor covers hold them on there bearing you know on the suppressor you have great videos online Like instructional videos like how to fight out of your car. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, they're really like informative Like like things I didn't think I was interested in learning Then I started watching this like this guy's fucking thought they shit through. It's all I did Joe like and I'm look I'm a simple guy Let me just show you how I did this Right, maybe you come up with a better way.

2:22:25I don't know right and but I think this is like This is the difference between the army and the unit in the army. They're like here's a gun kid go use it in the unit They're like let me show you to the degree how to use that rifle So when something happens guess what you know what I'm saying? So it's the difference between showing someone something and teaching someone something And I think those are different and I think I think that's what the unit was good at Here's some of my favorite things the boot kits Solomon boots made for the military. I've been wearing Solomon boots You'll see a set of Solomon boots in the Saddam picture I hunt them within this year.

2:23:04Yeah. Yeah, it's all I wear are Solomon's right well if you got the quests You know how the laces kind of come yep, so like the running shoes. Yeah. Yeah So I turn them into like the running shoes nice. Yeah, we sell a ton of those Okay, and what do you do with the extra lace cut it off? I cut it off I loose in the boot where I get my foot out and I cut the excess off and put the end on So so I don't have like three feet of laces. I only have like eight or ten inches I mean six or whatever it is These are these are some of my best things This is a I would call it a scribe tool Right in the fact set that it's a carpenter pencil make sense You know carpenter pencil, but the middle is g10 same thing is the punch knife So it's for stabbing a lot of guys carry them Go through metal detectors a lot of guys carry them airports like these things I get pictures of these things have re wear I made it fist size so you could punch with it or kind of get a good stab with it If you wanted you know what I mean something I always want to live smart.

2:24:15Yeah, I have a pencil like that Yeah, someone gave me yep. Yep. Um, okay, so check this out you Here's a bunch of stickers we make Some of the things that happen on the range blind guys always tell them they can't see shit You know how like when you shoot and guys like really push their butt backwards. I called out the prison wallet You know what I mean? I mean showing me your prison wallet, you know what I mean? So there's a lot of stickers are like funny shit I tell guys all the time like a guy we shoot in good all day long the end of the day you'll fuck something up And I'll just come up all I got to do is whisper to a guy be like sucks the suck Don't ain't a guy be like show the fuck up.

2:24:53You know what I mean? So all the stickers are just funny shit that happens on the range right and then look This is the premise of the NRA show we talked about earlier is I made a little card um The gun world is sketchy information at best Generally speaking of where your bullets go and why like it's fucking magic. It's about eye dominance Yeah, one side's eye dominance the other one is how to fix yourself where the bullets go and why Makes sense. Yeah, so look this edge tension on the left hand. Yep, and then like You use this edge. So if your group is generally tall right you got stance issues And then as you see your group whatever angle it's on The arrows point to it and tell you how to fix it And you're saying now back side eye dominance.

2:25:48This is where the gun world fucks up And I'll tell you this the gun world talks about two things for eyes primary hand primary eye right handed right? I dominant right they talk about being cross -eyed dominant right handed left eye dominant right right okay Here's how division I think really works okay um Being primary hand primary eye is the guy who makes all the rules in shooting you should open your eyes you should do this right He makes all the rules, but the reality is is his vision is his right eye on a scale the one to ten He'll tell you borderline 11 because it's that fucking good, you know, I mean borderline 11 in the good eye Ask him the vision in his other eye and he's gonna tell you hard eight.

2:26:31It's not really so good This guy will always be able to keep the other eye open Makes sense. Yeah, okay now These are the same thing it whether your primary hand primary eye or cross -eyed dominant It's the same thing you have a strong eye and a weak guy and the strong eye takes over Doesn't fucking matter strong eye takes over right fucking easy for you. Okay. This is one out of ten The other nine or what I call eye neutral right? They don't have a dominant eye and either I could take over at any time because either I on a pistol could see the sights at any time And this is where people get fucked up that makes sense with archery too 100 % it's the same don't like to keep both eyes open Yeah, yeah, well, that's because you're what I would call eye neutral Hmm Say what I'm saying and then I would I would also say this if you have a gray hair on your head You're closer to being eye neutral than any eye dominant any fucking thing because of life Right and and the reason I would tell you that is because The part of the brain that works the eyes is like the part of the brain that works the ears It's the part of the brain that works the legs and the arms right they work All these things on your subconscious.

2:27:46I think work better together and are stronger together What do I mean by that? You know, you know when it comes to leg days dudes are like dude man bro on a squat 500 on leg day Okay, does that mean you can do 250 pounds with one leg No, you can't probably right because the legs are stronger together than they are independently And this is a function of the the deep part of your brain the fast part of your brain right So having said that you can't choose an ear can you right the only way you can choose an eye is the eyelid Which has nothing to do with vision or dominance? See what I'm saying that makes sense I've never heard anybody say that before but now that you're saying it yeah, like okay Yeah, so if you look at the card right if you're like right handed right eye dominant You should be hitting in the middle of the circle there right but if your left eye takes over look where the rounds will go And it'll always be look it'll always be eye distance apart on your target So people that have eye issues they don't shoot one group They shoot two groups one for each eye and the gun goes left eye right I'm not gonna die right Evan was telling me that he learned to practice left handed a lot Yeah, he practices things even those right hand dominant right he like yeah help it helped the right side to practice with the left side Yeah, do you subscribe to that?

2:29:07Yes, I do and I'll tell you why before I retired from the army I tore my bicep out of my out of my left arm. I'm left handed So I went and turned in on my left handed holsters and got right handed holsters And I was like I'm gonna train myself to be right handed from here forward Because the VA said I'd never use my left hand again So I was like okay, fuck you guys. I'll be righty. You can't slow me down, you know what I mean? And then I started training as a righty Took me about two weeks as fucked up is tough You know what I mean? I had to stick with it fucking a lot of frustrating days And after about two weeks my brain just transferred all that skill to the right hand And I just fucking rocked it from then on out Makes sense because you have this mental memory of excellence with one side You just have to well think about this if if you actually knew perfect practice You could switch out to the other hand, but if you never knew perfect practice the other hand would get the same garbage Right, that makes sense.

2:30:03Yeah So I think completely makes sense and I've never heard anybody say it before everybody says you should keep both eyes open Well, you should but the guy who made that rule has a strong eye and a weak eye and he can do that right where you Your brain when I say someone is eye neutral your brain treats your eyes is equal What does that mean your vision could be shit? It could be great But the brain says I got two windows. I look out of this one. Yeah, let me look out of that one And you're going back and forth you'll see the gun move you'll see the head move and there And then most of the time it just like it's no good.

2:30:37You just not seeing it good Makes sense it does Are you one of those guys that resist red dots or do you? Do you know? But did you ever resist at all? So because iron sights never failure. They're always there. Yeah, no batteries. I am not a red dot guy I'm an iron sight guy However, let me explain myself the internet knows me as a red dot hater But you know, I'm taking that video and I'm going to draw one line through that red dot back to your face And if it don't point exactly to your eye you're shooting and not seeing shit And every time I show this to somebody like so you're against red dots No You're never going to catch the red dot unless you get better technique You know the technique with the iron sights Well, no, you could have good technique with a red dot also if you had fucking good technique and someone showed it to you But no one shows it to you right the next thing with the red dot is the red dot is great for Guys who don't see well because what happens is the red dot it becomes in between you your eye and the target Makes sense essentially right so you'll be able to see that But what no one tells you is it's harder to learn harder to master So you need it, but you need to train with it properly or it's not doing it.

2:31:53Why is it hard to learn? Few reasons You know the if you look at pro shooters High -level pro shooters guys that are like fucking insanely fast winning, you know, it's national ipsichamps rob Rob laytham Dave syvigny you look at these guys Well, what you'll see is like There's so much more efficient than anyone else right and they'll use a way bigger sight like I think the winningest sight of all time and like gun games is It's like to see more sts, but it's like more of the size of a bear can then Then it is the little tactical sight right so now when you shrink that thing down to a postage stamp They put a coating on it so it doesn't fucking reflect or whatever But you can't see through it well and they curve the glass which anyone who shoots rifle scopes will tell you fish eyes a Fucking real thing But this red dot has all these things going on and it's supposed to be better for a guy who don't see shit That's interesting and it just becomes harder to do and then once you show them how to get it right like They'll never have problems again But it's all about showing them how to get it right right and then no one talks about that because they're stuck on you can't use the right eye or they never get past that How important is it to teach people the right way the first time so they don't have to unlearn shit man Everyone has a preconceived notion of what they think they should do Whether you've shot before or not and I'm gonna have to unfuck that No matter what no matter what so it's like you know, it's like Kind of like in the dojo where it's like okay, I want you to do like 20 good 20 shitty arm bars And then we'll we'll get the hips better on the next 20.

2:33:40We'll tweak the hand on the next 20 Well, you know what I mean like get some of that bulk movements down first right and then we keep fine tuning right fine tuning Yeah, so it doesn't matter if I mean look even if even if you learned how to punch from John Jones on your first day You wouldn't go out and win a match that night right You know what I mean? So I think it's like I Always I tell people this all the time 1 % better a day Just 1 % that's what I'm looking for today if I can be 1 % better today than I was yesterday Well, that's 365 % by the end of the year and I didn't do much every day Right, I mean, so I always tell people like shooting or a skill like this is a marathon not a sprint right?

2:34:23So it's better that's with everything right? Yeah, I think so yeah, it's so too and I tell you like you know if you if If you think you're gonna have to pull a gun and save your family one day You should be practicing a few times a week. Yeah, you know, and it doesn't have to be much But you should be practicing a little bit. Yeah, getting this gun out shouldn't be a shock to you when the time comes Because it's not gonna come to you then right yeah, that's a great advice. Yeah. Do you enjoy teaching? I fucking love teaching. I love helping people Now that I'm doing jits again a lot of people want me to show them like Fucking cars or guns and jits and guns and I don't know if I'm ready to take my sanity past time and turn it into work You know what I'm saying?

2:35:07So I play with guns now and a lot of guys have told me I mean to be like you know like the car bailouts like all this shit like I do Uh I'm afraid to ruin jiu jitsu his work So I've been reluctant and I always tell people I've never teached jiu jitsu But like I fucking teach anyone everything. I mean if we can get better today. Let's talk about it Once I can try it teaching jiu jitsu though. I think it makes you better at jiu jitsu. I think it's selfish It's like a good thing for you. Well, okay, you know this you're a black belt right Every day you went to a dojo you were trying to hand that black belt his ass And then you get your black belt and now everyone every day the rest of your life is trying to hand You your ass, you know, I mean it's a fucking thankless job.

2:35:53Yeah No, I love that. No one's trying to hand you ass fuck yeah, let's go That's the beautiful thing about your jiu jitsu too. I know you don't really yeah, you don't catch any breaks You might get it one day where there's like oh it's only blue. I'm here. I love it when someone forces me into like real survival mode No, I'm not talking about like, you know, you got a triangle and I'm just gonna ride this I'm talking like someone like I'm like fucking I gotta do something now. I fucking love that man. How you how you avoiding? injuries Okay, so First and foremost I started out. I don't even take motrin I try to take no drugs after I got off the pills from the VA and started getting active and You know, I try not to take any medicines at all I went to master worlds and mother fuckers are yoked up fucking at the gear is out You know what I mean like these motherfuckers are working out since last year just a fucking stroke a mother fucker today, right?

2:36:51So like As a little unprepared this year for worlds in that aspect, but I'm all for the peptides I'm all for the T yard. I'm not against any of it per se And and I think that's a I did the peptides. I just I'm not I don't I don't like shots like right and I won't give myself a shot Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's like your skin. Yeah, like I don't like that I don't know The guy has been through everything that you've been through is like needles sketch me out. I mean Give it it doesn't hurt like I'm not a sissy about it, but it's like peptides are so easy. I know well I took the pills. I took the I took the pill one C157.

2:37:35Yeah, and and I'll tell you like super legit Why is it Gary Breka that guy yeah, he talks about red -headed people. I'm a red -headed people. I got pale skin You know, red -headed people have better pain tolerance Yeah, I well I take drugs different like there's a thing about that though You see Google that red -headed people have better pain tolerance. Hey my whole life. I've taken drugs differently like I don't get percussed I get delotted So I think like you got roofied Like everybody else Conked out. Yeah, I'm just an over party mode like you're also talking about on Sean's show that you take you have the thing that Jamie has Where you can take a lot of edibles and you don't feel it.

2:38:14Oh, yeah, the the really gummies are In some studies have found that redheads have a lower pain threshold, but other studies have found the opposite. Oh, okay So it's all fucked up. Yeah, I know Inclusive. Yeah, but um Yes, it depends on the individual so but I will tell you this it healed my stomach and my healing went from like a week or two to like Four days BBC 157's very legit. Yeah, and yeah, so anyway, I want to do more in the future I'd like to I kind of want to do it all like I mean, I'm fucking I'm 54 man. Yeah, I was asking you Yeah, what do you do what do you do into avoid injuries?

2:38:52Okay, so besides that I do cardio a couple years ago My first elk hunt my first elk bow hunt You know, we ride up to like 9 ,000 feet and then like walked up three miles from there like yo I was too 80 at one time that was a fucking hell of a walk for a big fat mother Fucker up that fucking mountain and then I hunt with these old guys and then the two guys I was with like two of the guys have hearing aids And the other runs right from guns I don't know just older. We're right whenever there years both. Yeah, yeah, they're hunters right yeah So both of them got hearing aids and the front one looks back to the second one both good friends of mine like and was like Turn your hearing aids down.

2:39:36So you gotta hear him breathe so fucking loud And I'm like I heard you mother fuck you like So uh, I told myself like I was gonna start walking 30 minutes a day and that was fucking hard And then now I do like an hour cardio I could run but I don't um, but I started again. I need to be running a little bit for cardio um I treat strength as two different things I spent about a year Uh, with 15 pound dumbbells just like rehabbing motion movement joints and it was a lot of fucking pain and then you know now I'm I'm getting stronger every day I've been you know power athlete big john, but I kind of look at strength two different ways I try to do strength days where it's like the traditional squats dead Like all the big ones push pulls all of it covered all And then I see it as a conditioning is something separate Right and conditioning would be lighter weight like Crossfit like round right without without knowing how to say it about it.

2:40:38Yeah, so But the steps Fucking I'm gonna tell you this I'll tell anybody this you want to fucking start losing weight It starts at 10 ,000 fucking steps a day get your ass out there start fucking walking And then the next thing it is uh, I went to a competition class by shons in Tennessee And uh, I got a diet. I got workouts. I got an app. I tracked my diet I did uh right before worlds. I was at 170 grams of protein 1800 calories a day And I'm very strict about it. Yeah, and I shredded weight um, I cut I cut down I was probably 240 I cut down to 222 As the smallest human being in the fucking 222 because everyone's joked up like fucking madman Probably I'll cut weight too.

2:41:26Well my coaches were like you know And I can't believe I even listen to this but they're like man It's the 55 bracket like it's guys like you. This is their pastime. You know what I mean five today is not the same Yo these motherfuckers will cut this is fucking killer season out of this bitch You know what I mean like I was unprepared for man. I had this big Mongolian motherfucker Uh, you know Edwin Edwin, Nedwin, Jammy, you know Edwin Edwin uh Gracie Barra Tarzan uh California, right Edwin's like a jujitsu legend He's at worlds who's your coach. I'm fucking have a coach is me my backpack and a key let's fucking get this fight going bitch And he's like wall coach and I'm like okay, you know what I mean?

2:42:07I don't got a coach And then like right before we walk out on the mat. He's like yo, Reff are they the same weight class? And I'm like Yo my man Ed this is my coach right here my man like You know what I mean, but like this dude was fucking huge and he was one of them Mongolian jacket wrestlers You've done this oh? I've seen that I couldn't I couldn't get the takedown and then we went down on the ground He hit me with a like a fucking paper cutter pop my head out try to choke me again Fucking got out of it, but as I was getting up. I knew I needed to keep this guy on the ground But guess what man when you get in trouble Guess what you do you stand the fuck up and this dude stand up And I knew I wasn't getting my two points back And then I was just fucking exhausted like as fucking Jesus I don't ramp up their conditioning.

2:42:51Yeah, fuck yeah, man this year. I'm fucking winning where I'm fucking world champion Joe I'm the toughest old motherfucker. I fucking know You know god damn it. Let's fucking go. I'm gonna figure this shit out But I will tell you I think what I didn't know is you got a train to compete to compete well And I fucking fight and I want to fight and I want to get smashed and I want to fucking I want to almost lose this fight 10 fucking times to finally get that fucking submission on you And that's a great fight to me and like yo, yeah, yeah, you just lost 13 points on that And then if you don't get the submission you just lost 13 points on that You know what I mean like so it's a different animal treating it like the sport versus What you get out of it?

2:43:36Yeah, and I'll tell you this is like I probably could have changed the match if I would have pulled guard around three minutes in I never pulled guard in my fucking life like what kind of fucking asshole pulls fucking guard Well, I figured it out. I'll tell you what kind of asshole when you can't take a bigger mother fucker down Yeah, this is maybe what pulling guards for or in the real world walk the fuck away Yeah, before you fucking just get fucking smashed out here. You know what I mean? Thank you. Yeah, something you ain't Do you spend a lot of time practicing off your back? A lot of times big guys.

2:44:11They don't like I'll start there Fucking get my neck. Let's go. You can't take I will give you my back just to fucking get out. I don't give a fuck man That's great. I always like honestly when I when I'm like Why don't you just let the dojo like girls or smaller people right? I try not to smash them right and I'll tell them like hey if I get on top Just fucking sweep me right stay on top of me the whole time And I just fucking let them go at me. Yeah, I would just pretend that I'm weak Yeah, when I would roll with someone who's weak. I would pretend I'm weak. Yeah, like that's I think that's the best way to do it Yeah, like no strength.

2:44:47I'm never gonna use strength. Yeah, I think this it hits and always said the that defense was more important than anything He said yeah, I am always safe no matter where I am I am always safe defense You're fucking a your Hicks and it's great by the way You see choke you see the documentary. I have not seen choke, but I just finished his new book the Dark one dark dark Hicks and came out with a new book. I just I just This is a book that because he's got Parkinson's now. Yeah, but you know, he's got the breathe book But he just came out with a new one. I just listened to it like last week. You know what I mean?

2:45:21Yeah, but you got to watch choke I got to one of the greatest documentaries of all time. I know I've heard for a martial artist. I've heard Incredible. It's Hicks and in his prime competing in Japan, Valley, Tuto and just you see him training and doing his yoga and all the crazy breathing shit Stomach sucks up the side. Yeah, I don't even know how to do that. Yeah, he uh, well When he was testing me, I'm not purple belt. He was like Yes, um yes Yeah, when when I lay on the ground I am flat He's like when you lay on the ground You are not flat. You should roll more. I'm like Hey, I know you know enough English just to call me fucking fat You know what I mean, but god damn it roll more.

2:46:05Yeah, I should roll. Yeah, and he's he's showing me like rolls from side control Get not a stuff because I am more around than I am flat and it's kind of like you know fact I should roll more. It's hard to stop, you know right So he had there's some real fucking wisdom in there. You know what I mean? But it's like I always like how like they know enough English to assault you But they'll say it like their way, you know, yes, you are just being practical. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's just real talk And that's what he does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That guy's pretty cool getting your purple belt from that guy I am the only person so okay.

2:46:38I had to do the paperwork. You know, there's other like Big -time Hicks and Black belts out there that kind of Police up all everybody. So when you go to worlds or you fight, you know like these guys and they told me they would They'd get me under their paperwork But literally I did the paperwork with IBJJF and I sent it to Hicks and and he filled out the paperwork But like I didn't know I sent him the paperwork and it's like one of them forms We just sign it with your finger on your phone like super easy I sent it to Hicks and I was like hey coach. We got a form. We got a fine sign and He's not he's not a member of any of these organizations anymore.

2:47:13So like I didn't know how this would go and they're like sent me a fucking paper copy and like have mr Gracie sign this signature right? So I text it to Hicks and I'm like hey coach Can you sign my paperwork for world real quick and he texted me right back and he's like hey champ I'm looking for a printer now as soon as I find one. I'll sign this and I was just thinking Fuck I don't even know who's got a print. I don't even have a printer in my fucking house Like if Hicks and's looking for a printer I think he just told me no you know what I mean like right right like fuck and then like a couple days later He sent it back to me signed right.

2:47:49I think probably his wife was like oh Hicks and yeah look Yeah, I mean like I just didn't think I think He kind of didn't know but he got back to me and then they sent me I had to do this a few times And then I was the only guy. I'm the only belt a guy fighting under Hicks and in masters. Wow. Yeah, that's pretty fucking cool. Yeah, and then Uh, I would say this for jujitsu for me is like I'm so glad it is where it is these days because back in the day I mean think about this back in the day. I travel all the time. I'm in a different dojo fucking weekly You know, I might be here for four days.

2:48:25I try to get three days of jits. I'm in fucking wakego I'm going to fucking places. I've been in 26 different dojos this year like doing jits back in the day That was fucking kriyam day, you know what I mean fucking monsters and Portuguese right because you don't have no loyalty You don't have no fucking and the reality is like yeah, I'm just never home right I don't want to be unloyled to anybody unloyled everybody But I just want to get rounds and I'm so glad the dojitsu world It's so fucking welcoming these days meaning like like I don't have to show up and fight right much more open minded They're happy to welcome people from other schools the only the only person that was like Why are you here was a cyborg at fight sports?

2:49:09Oh really? Yeah, you know cyborg. Yeah sure He's great and you know, you know, Roosevelt you know Roosevelt the tall guy that hangs out with him I don't tallest black belt I ever seen let it tallest brazilian I ever seen right so he's one of the black belts down there with With with cyborg and I'm out there and then like at the time I was blue belt, you know what I mean? And I was probably I don't know 250. I was kind of fat and like fight sports is like old school brazilian jiu jitsu Where we're gonna shrimp across the mat. We do fucking all this. I don't give a fuck if you loot jiu jitsu today But you're gonna be tough right so it's that kind of shit and that's how Carlson grace He's was yeah, yeah, you even got to the class.

2:49:50You were fucking exhausted. Yeah, the class hasn't started yet, right? So I'm out on a mat. I'm breathing hard. I'm just kind of doing my thing and Rose about the big tall back belt comes over and he was like man He's like you are my inspiration. I'm like I am coach. I'm your inspiration. He's like yes He's like you are out here. You are doing this man He was like you are everyone's inspiration and I'm looking around and like everyone's rolling like and then And then like everyone stops because like he's talking to me You know what I mean and like everyone's looking at me and I'm like what and the fuck is going on right?

2:50:26So he was like you are here. You are doing this. You are old. You are my inspiration And I'm like thanks coach I was like and then like I didn't need a break But I was like fuck after that talk. Maybe I do need a break So I was like maybe I do need a break coach You know and he was like okay, fix your key. So I fixed my gear time. I belt. He's like Run laps around the practice until you're ready to practice again It was like man, that's fucking worse. I wasn't I didn't even need the fucking break And he gave me the old speech so I agreed and then like and then I had a run I thought that was more embarrassing running laps around everybody Right, but like like when he said he wanted to give me a break like the fucking breaks is like screech to a halt Everybody was like did he just say like does that guy?

2:51:12What a fuck does that guy get a break? You know and I mean A break was a do laps. Yeah, and yeah, and then in cyborg came up to me and Um, they didn't I didn't have a key yet. I hadn't bought a key and I hadn't found a key to fit me So I had I just bought a key, but only had a white belt right? Oh, I got the key at Gracie Raleigh My home dojo right and then they only had a white belt so I had a white belt so I was white belt in it But really I was a blue belt so and when it came to roll in cyborg is like who are you man? I'm like coach and he's like who are you man? Who are you? Why are you like a spy?

2:51:47Yeah, he's like why are you here? And I'm like I just I just well my brother lives here coach and I called ahead of time And I asked if I could come do jujitsu. I'm just trying to get a couple days while I'm on the road He's like man, you are no white belt. Who are you? What are you doing? And I was like well, I'm actually a blue belt coach and he was like why didn't you then they got a wall of like old belts Which is like the coolest thing I ever fucking seen like I'm 100 just old different all kinds of belts. It's fucking coolest fuck my opinion But he was like why didn't you get one off the extra belt and I was like Well, you didn't have one coach and he let he thinks for a second He was like you are right.

2:52:25There's not one your size on the wall And I was like holy fuck there's a ton of belts there for him to even know that like because I went through all of them And couldn't fit one you know and he was like okay, you know, he was just concerned that you were sandbag and we're trying to get him I don't know yeah, and then but they were great with me like shout out to cyborg and Roosevelt Hard dudes. Yeah, they're fucking their hard down there All those guys down there, but I've been in 26 I think 26 dojos this year man And then so you're all in I'm all in man. I'm in I mean all the time and then like so one of the things is like I can only go to Hicks and it get promoted because I'm never in one doll dojo long enough Right to like earn earn a stripe or earn So I think it's like a I don't know.

2:53:11I feel like I'm fortunate of where I am You know what I mean? And then honestly the reason I went to Hicks in is because I could Yeah, and I figured if if I need to be tested for a belt Yeah, like who else? Yeah, you know, I mean when you get your black belt you get a black belt from Hicks And it's like there's very few black belts that hold that kind of weight. Yeah, there's like in zo Yeah, yeah, John Jocquichado. There's a few of those like old school legendary belts. Yeah Yeah, fuck you make it on DS. It's like a few of legendary old school belts, you know, yeah fucking sour hegan Yeah, hegan.

2:53:49Yeah, I love hegan. I know I love I actually was hegan's Corner guy when he was in Abu Dhabi in 2003. I was you were yelling his time out. Yeah, because I was there with Eddie Bravo Oh, yeah, that's right, you know We all trained at the machanos, so I know hegan and then he goes like my friend dude Do they time for me and so like He was like he was kind of out of shape. He's still fucking people up Yeah, he wanted to know like give me tell me when there's like a minute to go So I could really fucking hit the gas like I'm a coast for a little bit Desive when to go. Yeah, I love that I call it like I call it fat guy Jiu Jitsu and I think people are shocked when I say that term, but really it's it's like the I don't know the Dan or her ageless stuff.

2:54:32There's there's stuff that bigger guys left athletic Right are gonna have to do because they can't do a flying whatever they can't you know what I mean and like I love his smash game and I so I was at I went to the Machado camp It was him Roger Carlos and John oh John Machado. I love that guy too. You know John sure He carries he carries condom holsters nice. Yeah, he's great man But I went to their summer camp and I was like hey, hegan can I get a picture and like you sitting on the couch and Carlos is like You know typical bigger brother should get the fuck up. You're lazy kind of dogging up So I was like I was like you don't have to get up coach.

2:55:11So I sat on his lap and he was like what the fuck That's hilarious. Yeah, I went to a Machado camp this year. I spent a lot of time with Rafael Lovato Oh, that guy's a fucking legend. Yeah, he is like he is I got invited to Philippa Costa's kind of in a affiliate training with Rafael like Shout out to Rafael. He's a fucking amazing every one of his black belts gave me time like and then Philippa Costa like Just fucking next level and and it like it gives me hope as an old guy like I know I'm 55 and I know I want to win the fucking 55 -year -old bracket But why the fuck do I need to be in the 55 -year -old bracket?

2:55:56You know what I mean? If my two jitsu is good enough I should be able to find anyone right and that's what gives me hope a fucking carrying on that one day like Because I know all I do is fight these young guys and yeah sure they beat me right now, but like You know how many times did Helio get crushed right? You know what I'm saying? So like It's the beauty of jiu jitsu is the age should be fucking the least in this equation, you know what I mean So that's kind of where I stand and I'll tell you man anytime someone can fucking put it to me Where I'm about to go down I couldn't be fucking happier man.

2:56:31I had this black belt the other day Out of nowhere just fucking smash me and like and then he lets me tap he lets me up And then I just got the biggest smile on my face and he was like Looking at me and I was like that was fucking amazing coach I was like you ain't never smash me like that right and he he just kind of looking at me And just fucking tackled him again. You know what I mean? Fucking win right back to smashing me, you know what I mean like I just fucking love it man. Yeah, that's the best attitude for learning. Yeah, no better. Well I as a human being I need to learn something every day.

2:57:05I think you're the same way in a lot of ways like I don't care what I do. He's good for you I do too. I think it keeps your brain healthy 100 % I think it keeps Alzheimer fucking all that bullshit away. Yeah, I think that's why people get old One of the reasons other than your body failing is your mind gets old. Yeah, you're not stimulating it. Yeah for real right John this is a fucking awesome conversation. Thanks. I really appreciate it. Yeah. I had a great time Thank you, and I can't wait to read your book. So okay I'm gonna get some rounds in the future. Yeah, I'm your healthy. Yes. All right.

2:57:36I'd love to get some rounds with you Sure, I definitely want to come back look kill Tony last night. Fucking a man. That's like bucket list You come in the club anytime you want man. I couldn't thank you enough like I know I came here yesterday not a big deal to me right because like y 'all got killed Tony out of this deal like Last night was fucking funny man. This guy told the joke last night the funniest fucking joke I think I ever heard in my life. I don't know if I could say it or not I don't know there was like there was a guy just kind of shorter guy Uh white guy beard and he just read jokes.

2:58:12He just said like random jokes. Oh, it's one of the bucket polls. Yeah It's a bucket pull guy and then like he said this joke you want to hear sure? Okay This is a fucking funny this thing I heard in a long time Uh, why don't police have turtles as pets Why cuz you can't kneel on their neck This I was like oh my god fucking god like Next level right there. Well, listen brother anytime you want to come to club. Thanks. You're welcome Thank you very much. Be here. Oh man. Anytime. It's a great conversation. I really enjoyed it. Thanks for all swag Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I got put it back in its box I mean people want to find you online share for Baghdad .com share for Baghdad SOB tactical either one will get you to me like you just you die you you type in share of a bag then a ton of shit I mean pops up and someone whoever the public sure is yeah pop on it.

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