#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

26:47Well, that's why TJ Dillesha did it when he was dropping down fly weight to fight Henry, so who know which is when he got popped and you know, but he was he looked like skeleton. Did you ever see those weight cut. Yeah, I was insane. I might be speaking on the detection time of EPO by the way, but it's at minimum the micro dose protocols that are being implemented still. Even most recent literature you find upwards of 50 % of the studied participants where they're actually looking for it still pass their testing. Really? Wow. Well, one of the things that I've read about sauna is that sauna use especially like directly after cardio in parts like like a micro dose EPO effect.

27:33Have you read anything about that? Not for not recently now, so I don't know maybe you could brush me up. Do you have a? Well, maybe we could find it, but I know it's helped my cardio. It helps significantly because I went through an injury once where I couldn't do any kickboxing or any hitting the bag or anything for quite a while. And whenever I did come back from like three or four months off of that, it would be the first few days where fucking brutal and it wasn't brutal at all. And it was because of regular sauna. You sauna bathing can increase the production of EPO or hormone that stimulates the production of red blood cells.

28:08This can improve endurance performance by increasing the amount of oxygen. Now, it says here's how plasma volume when you sit in a sauna you sweat, which comes from blood plasma as your blood plasma levels decrease your kidneys and release EPO. So how do they detect endogenous versus exogenous EPO? It's similar to how they would detect for bioidentical testosterone, other hormones they look for. Does it look like a endogenous signature? So different compounds, there's different ways to analyze, but in general, it's going to be either the molecular mass of it or something to that effect would be have a blatant difference.

28:51It's between what you would make naturally endogenous slave versus exogenous origin, which is the way they make it in a lab does not necessarily look exactly the same. So even though it's EPO that you're injecting, it's actually like recombinant, aka made in a lab and not like, it's not like they're literally pulling EPO out of a guy and then giving it to you. It's like grown in a lab essentially. Right. Right. Well, that was one of the things that Jeff Niewitsky actually said could be an issue is that it is possible at least theoretically to take testosterone from animals. Yeah. So find a mammal based testosterone instead of getting it from, so they created from wild yams, right?

29:35Yeah. So wild yams from Mexico apparently, whether you get all the testosterone, when you buy testosterone, sipinate or whatever. And soy. Yeah. Soy. Yeah. What do you mean? Yeah. They use soy to like the phyto, some of the compounds in the soy as well as yams look similar molecularly to the cholesterol that would get basically enzymatic convertive does his testosterone. So you can just manipulate that slightly to have like a highly reproducible at scale for low cost way to make hormones. And that's how testosterone has made it. Oh, that's interesting because soy is always associated with like soy boys.

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31:59Yeah, I think maybe the first time I came on we talked about the carbon isotope ratio testing and having a CIR proof testosterone formulation and if athletes are doing that. And I did dig into it after we talked about it a bit more and it does seem like there's strong evidence that suggests they're aware of it and are trying to find new ways to refine even the carbon isotope ratio testing. Now they're looking at like hydrogen ratios because it's more minute and specific apparently as opposed to with the carbon content. They've seen suspicious testosterone formulations that look similar to endogenous carbon isotope signatures and your diet even what you ingest can change what your signature is to because they have to use as like a reference.

32:46They use for example from your urine they'll find some other compound that is like upstream from testosterone for example and they will use that as a benchmark of like this is what your signature is of the carbon content of sex hormones. And then if your testosterone has a different carbon isotope ratio than this they know that okay however you got this in your body is different than the upstream hormone. So through that we can infer that you know it's probably of exogenous origin but if the exogenous origin one looks like the upstream hormones like you you would never be able to tell. So it's possible if you were sophisticated enough to make the exogenous look like the upstream.

33:33Yeah and even injected it. Yeah and if you had like animal grade testosterone or cholesterol even from like a medical grade compound facility or something like you could probably react it down and create like a CIR proof testosterone. It seems like it would be hard to keep that under wraps for very long without it getting out. Maybe yeah but it's like the access to lab equipment and high level testing is not as the barrier is a lot lower than it used to be for sure. Like there are even ever to people paying off water according to the labs to get like testing done. Really? Yeah so they could like assess where they stand in terms of like some of the testing that they would do to see if they'd proper not.

34:17Is that legal? No. So they bribe water they see allegedly? They just water credit of the labs not just in the states but like in other countries where they're a bit more corrupt and you can you know persuade them to test your samples. So you send your pills to Guatemala or someone? Yeah yeah. And then they go yeah I'm seeing you're you're trying to see you are just not look good. But yeah and if you do enough homework you can you know develop a biological passport internally with your own team and you know. To be know your bulletproof rather than just guessing. Yeah well there was some concern with Brock Lesnar at one point in time before he tested positive.

35:01And one of the concerns was that he was testing himself that he had gotten tested like a number of times which generally you don't do. Now why was that recorded though like that they have his medical records because you can just like pay for blood tests and get your analysis. I might be speaking out of turn. I might be speaking out of school here. I don't remember. I don't remember the thing. But I remember someone who knows things telling me. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I'm kind of on the inside. So someone who knows things on the inside told me to he get tested like 20 fucking times or something crazy like that during camp.

35:41Oh well he was for sure trying to get around. Well he's also pissed hot. This is when he fought Mark Hunt and this giant lawsuit involved right now. Oh wow. Yeah I don't know if that lawsuit has been if it's still ongoing or what the deal was but Mark Hunt was furious. Yeah it was obvious when you look at the guy I mean he was like 39 years old 300 pounds like cutting down at 265. He was fucking huge man. Yeah what's even more interesting too is the storage of samples. A lot of sports don't actually do it. So with Olympic testing oftentimes the positive test results come retroactively. It's years in the past so once they've refined the testing and actually are able to detect you know long term metabolites.

36:26It's a terrible or something of that nature. But in a lot of sports like especially in the in the US for like traditional professional sports they're not storing urine typically. Right. So if you have more refined testing get developed oftentimes there's no way to actually penalize an athlete who was ahead of the testing curve at the time. Right. And at least from what I've seen there's a really good paper. One of the guys I know who's on the inside on this is a Alex Calliari Turner. He has excellent information studies on the stuff but he did a paper. They basically outlined how I think 75 % of the medalists that have tested positive in the Olympics at the summer Olympic Games for the past.

37:09I don't know it was like a full decade of analyzation. It was like 75 % of them tested years later not at the actual time of winning their medal. So if they're only being popped you know three out of four people are getting popped retroactively over a half decade later or more based on advancements and testing. You can just imagine how many sports are getting away with passing testing given that retroactively they're not being tested at all. Right. So it's like if you're ahead of the curve now there are a lot of sports where as long as you pass the test now even if what you took. Had a more refined ass they developed you know five years from now they're not going to go get your sample and retry it.

37:52Right. That makes sense. But wasn't there a famous Russian wrestler who was popped because they went back and looked at his old stuff like once they developed new testing protocols. Was it an Olympic athlete? Yeah. That's why because Olympic Games they started storing samples 2004. So there have been more rigorous about that. And there are probably some sports that store but the majority don't. Yeah. And it's like you know you could say its corruption or you could say it's you know people trying to the sport trying to cover it up. But I think sometimes it's just like budget constraints to you because it's like you still have to be a profitable enterprise and.

38:32Right. You know I don't know how much you can you know scrutinize the economics on something like that. You're also managing at scale right like how many athletes are you dealing with. Yeah. How much time do you have to go back and you know review all the different urine samples and go. Yeah. Yeah. No but it gets crazy because it kind of it highly suggests that in a lot of sports as long as you're ahead of the curve. You're probably good. Now obviously you have to actually beat the test now which is more and more rigorous by the year of course but. At least historically what we've seen is it's the testing usually legs behind the methods that are being developed to get around it.

39:16Is there anything right now that is not being tested for that you think is effective. Yeah like in general the most effective stuff is going to be bioidenticals which are being tested for but it's like at the scale. It's kind of up for debate because sometimes they don't test at all like you know we saw with you said they were barely doing adequate in -depth testing for bioidenticals with no EPO testing or HGH testing. So I would say those are probably the go -to's you know like EPO especially and HGH. There are other compounds that I think some people think they can get away with that sometimes they do sometimes they don't like I think it's called prime tazideen.

40:01There was some like top level tennis player who just popped like a week ago or something. And what is that? It's like an angina medication that the entire China Olympic team got popped for a few years back. Yeah it was like 23 Chinese swimmers before the Tokyo Olympics got popped using this thing and then they claimed it was like food contamination or something. And they were like oh that's I guess that's what happened. And then a bunch of those two of those athletes won medals in the recent Paris Olympics and 11 of them were allowed to compete still. What does it do? It shifts your efficiency of fuel utilization.

40:42So basically in general to create ATP your body would oxidize fatty acids as well as glucose and an endurance event which is heavily oxygen sapping. If you can shift which is what this drug does it inhibits a process by which your body proportionally oxidizes more glucose than fatty acids which is the less oxygen intensive process. So you can basically conserve oxygen proportional to the amount of ATP you're producing. So in an endurance event if you can have more oxygen for less cost internally then it's highly performance and anti or it should be you know it's kind of speculative as if it's actually performance and dancing but it's kind of a weird coincidence how many people have popped for the drug.

41:31By the way the first time you said the Russian Olympics the only people who didn't pop were the figure skaters. Yeah. Yeah there's a Russian figure skater is 15 who is on this angina medication. Well that kind of makes sense right because one thing you would want is more oxygen endurance when you're figure skating it's pretty cardio intensive when you're spinning around and flying around like. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. But they said that steroids they found that like gross motor skills. He's so loud dude you can dutch him keeping fucking snorrens loud. But they found that like testosterone and things along those lines like actual steroids it was not good to be stronger as a figure skater that it didn't enhance.

42:16But that was that was Gregory whatever his name was from Icarus. Yeah yeah and like I could see obviously the compound selection will differ greatly depending on what sport because you know there are some sports where you know being heavier is going to be problematic right and you might you know want something that could enhance I don't know. Your cognitive capacity or whatever it may be or like slow down your heart rate for example for archery or different applications for sure like beta blockers. Yeah like for archery for example things like propranol like highly effective as well as for you know public speaking playing piano publicly I think there's like famous pianist who uses drug to.

43:00Yeah I've heard of people using beta blockers. Snipers too. Really? Yeah. It makes sense right? Yeah. Is dropping that anxiety response? Yeah and if it crosses the blood brain barrier like propranol does it actually calms you down very significantly. It's not just about lowering the heart rate it also like de stresses you like it's anti anxiety drug essentially. Wow. Yeah. You've never tried it? No. For archery I've been wondering if it was I thought about doing it once I even asked my doctor about it he was going to get it for me but I was like I don't want to cheat. Like half of the bow hunting thing is about being able to keep your shit together.

43:40And if you could just do it. Like if I could just shoot at a deer the way it should target. I don't think it would be the same. Yeah fair enough. It's like part of it is a purist. Yeah in that regard. Because part of it is the discipline of managing your mind. That's what I like about it. I like that it's hard to do. I don't want it to be easier you know it's fucking hard to do and that's literally why I like it. Like if I could take a drug that would make it easier to do I don't think I would like it. I'm very effective right now. I'm very I'm real successful at bow hunting you know relatively for like it's not.

44:16If like I go to a lot of really great places to hunt because I have money I'm fortunate but relatively speaking bow hunting is not a successful endeavor. It's like maybe 10 % of the hunts like but people get tags maybe probably less in most places. Actually harvests an animal. How often do you do it? I do it twice a year I go on a big elk hunt and I do like a bunch of pig hunts and stuff like that in between that maybe one deer hunt. And it's like how intensive of a prep is it and like the whole process of doing the trip is it like a multi day thing or? Yeah I go for like a week. The really intensive part though is the preparation for it and I was going to tell you about this too because I actually fuck my body up getting ready for this one.

45:05So when hunting season approaches for like three months out of hunting season I ramp up all my cardio and all my bow my archery. So I practice in my backyard I practice archery. I'm shooting at 85 yards I shoot an 84 pound bow and I might shoot it a hundred times a day. So I'm pulling 80 pounds 84 pounds a hundred times in a day. And I'm doing it day after day after day after day after day I've do it five six days a week. So I was developing like severe pain in my lower back on my right side that led to like sciatica and I was also developing some severe neck pain on my right side. So this is it's all it's really an unbalanced thing right because I really should draw something back with my I should probably like at least draw back my bow with my left hand as many times I draw back with my right but I don't.

46:00So you draw back so I'm pulling it's 84 pounds to pull it back it's at least for the beginning of the cycle and then the cams rotate over and it's significantly lowers like the holding weight is I think my holding weight is like 20 % 20 or 25 % of the actual weight of the bow. But what happens is as you're pulling back and you lock it in place the way archery works is you want to what's called pull at the wall right so where the string hits the end where it can't pull anymore on a compound bow I'm pulling hard against that wall so I'm steady right and then I'm really I'm trying to relax this shoulder and pull and I'm stabilizing everything with this lower back with my lower back muscle so on my right side it was just getting locked up like painful and stiff and sore and hurt even when I walk and I would just keep going do it for hours three hours a day just hours and hours and hours and I just developed a real problem to the point where like when I was the last trip when I was going up hills my hips were getting numb like my glutes weren't firing I was getting sciatic pain is pretty bad.

47:10So I knew after hunting season was over I was going to have to dress it so I got some stem cell shots which definitely helped I started doing a lot of stretching no archery for a couple months a lot of like hard foam like it's I have a from elite flexibility they make like a PVC roller with like a very thin layer so it's very hard and I was doing a lot of rolling rolling in the sauna cold plunge sauna stretching and it was getting a little better slowly but it was brutal like I was going to do it. It was taking a long time to recover and then I started doing this thing called new fit and what new fit is is electrical muscular stimulation while you are going through exercise routines and so they slap these electro pads all over your muscles and fully contract you and then you go through exercises while you're doing it and it's like significantly increased my rehabilitation.

48:05I've only been doing it for a few weeks to have only been doing it for like three weeks all my back pains gone mobility's back no no more sciatica at all no issues at all and everything is like much looser it's like coming back. So did you find that more effective than stem cells? No, I think it's the combination of things it's very hard to tell like what is actually working but when you add one thing and then also you get a significant response I'm assuming that this new fit thing is having at least responsible for I mean there's some sort of synergistic effect right because I'm using peptides I got this like I said I got stem cells shot into it so it's like a and takes a while for the stem cells to take place I'm sure that's part of it but then this new fit things pretty good.

48:51Pretty significant so I've been doing that quite a lot I've been doing that four days a week and it's it's legit man it's really legit I know Mike Tyson was using that when he was preparing for the fight with Jake Paul so I know a lot of other athletes. Yeah, use it a lot of people use it for rehabilitation it's like it really reduces the amount of time that you have to recover from like surgeries and injuries and stuff like that. What else are you using now as part of your nothing new nothing new. Still BPC 157 TB 500 you know I'm more and stuff like that like the same stuff that I've always used before this is the only thing that I've done that's really new this new fifth if you're seeing it before.

49:35So you can find like some examples of like it's like I said Tyson was using it so it's no more time intensive because it's during training. So you're what you're doing is so I'm doing it for rehabilitation so so this is what it looks like so they slap these electrodes to your so your muscles are just like locked up depending on how much you can tolerate. You know so I get them to crank that fucker up and when you're doing it your muscles are like completely flexed through the whole thing it's like it's kind of painful and then while you're doing that you're going through all these different exercises.

50:15Okay, so they're like kind of rehabilitative type exercises as opposed to the actual workout that you've been doing. For me what I'm doing is rehabilitative but other people do it for hypertrophy and bodybuilders do it apparently to like say if like you've got like trap issues like you don't like you need to like have one area where you want to improve they're slapping it to that area and then doing all these exercises. Yeah, there was an entrepreneur that I'm friends with asked me what I thought about it as like a replacement for exercise. Oh just a replacement. Yeah and it was like such like a rich person question like how do I not go to the gym and still like go to the gym.

50:57There was a place in Boston when I lived there in the the 80s that had that I forget what it was called but you would basically go there and their claim was they would get you you'd have a six bag you get jacked and all you do is lay there. It's lay there and they put these electrodes on you just every ever seen those like ancient like belly shaking things for women to look like back in the 40s. Yeah, just sit there shaking back and forth. No, I'm sure it's more effective than that obviously. Yeah. Which did nothing but I don't think it's a replacement and I would imagine I would speculate that the time it would take to stimulate yourself if it's for hypertrophy if you just worked out more you'd probably get better results.

51:44Perhaps it's the idea is that it's enhancing you past what you would normally get because you're in this very unique state of constant contraction. Yeah. So there's no contract relax contract relax you are just contracted you're just and then you're going through all these exercises so you have to kind of force your way through the exercises while you're contracted. It's kind of difficult. I think if you're injured it probably has a lot of viability but I would be highly suspect of it being used for like a guy trying to break a plateau who is a veteran lifter for example. Right. Right. Yeah, I would agree.

52:25And no bodybuilders I know attribute any success to something like this. Right. Well, this guy was telling me that some bodybuilders used to target areas that they like I've having difficulty make maybe your calves. Yeah. People have a difficult time growing calf muscles. Most biggest nuisance of a body part genetically. It's cap will be John Jones. That's the greatest thing. Yeah. Like one of the best kickers in the sport. No calves they're like non -existent. Yeah, it's so genetically predetermined seemingly that you know you'll have guys who are top Olympia caliber bodybuilders and if they haven't had calves for their whole career.

53:05They don't suddenly develop them even though they obviously know how to train and then people will shit on them and say you have no calves bro like learn how to train. It's like this is my job. Like do you think I don't know to do a fucking calf raise. But they just won't grow. Yeah, like proportionally so they like behind significantly and it's pretty obvious when somebody is a liking body part when they're on stage. But it is like a very very difficult area to locally. You know, if you don't have the genetics for it and the muscle belly is it's very difficult to make a bad looking calf look good.

53:38It's weird because you get to go like John where everything else is pretty big. Yeah, he's got big chest big arms. And this is not to say don't train calves because people get all riled up about skipping leg days and stuff. Well, especially for performance. You know, like you certainly need strong calf muscles for performance. So you can make them stronger. They just don't necessarily get aesthetically pleasing. Yeah, there's definitely ways to optimally train them that maybe not everyone does. But in general like it seems like if they're liking behind for you. It's it's pretty difficult to bring them up.

54:12That's weird. What a body part. Yeah, yeah. It's like one of the worst offenders. Is there anything else like that? Any other body parts that are like notoriously difficult to train? That's a good question.

54:28Probably there's probably something that I'm not thinking of. I don't know. NEC maybe, but that's pretty easy. Actually, it's just not many people do it. Well, the neck you got to be careful though. It was an I you know, I use an iron neck, which I really believe in. It's like the only thing that I've ever done that's strengthened my neck and not causing any neck problems. Whereas I think those other ones like you know those things where you put like the leather helmet on with the chain. I think that's an unusual movement for your neck. And I think you could probably get away with I know a lot of wrestlers, including Mike Tyson, who fucked their neck up from neck bridges.

55:07Have you seen the F1 drivers work at routines? No, dude pull up. Oh, they would have to have. Oh, yeah, that's like what they do for their training mostly seemingly. Oh, you have to. They're just saying they're like a giant fucking contraption on their head. Like an iron neck. Yeah. Yeah. But it seems even more intensive. Like it's. Yeah, but see what I'm saying is they're not bending the neck, right? So what they're doing is they're forcing their muscles to stabilize the neck as they're facing resistance. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But what they're not doing is bending all the way down and bending all the way up with weight, which I think is what's unusual.

55:48And I think that's just a weird strain on the discs. And with a lot of guys, especially wrestlers, where they get strain from is like someone grabbing them with a collar tie and like pulling their head down. And they get it real low. And then the resisting that you can fuck your neck up that way or fighting off a guillotine or a dars choke or or a triangle where you're like really fucked up and distorted. You're resisting against it. You can fuck your neck up. So what the iron neck does that I really like is you're rotating and you can adjust the resistance on the rotation. So you have this halo.

56:25You put it on your head. You pump it like a re -buck pump. And if like form fits to your head, you put a chin strap on and then you back up. And so it's got a bungee cord. So very stiff rubber cord. And as you're pulling back, you have a lot of resistance this way. And then you could rotate and then on the rotation, you can adjust the resistance. You can make it more difficult. But you're never doing any of this stuff. And I think this stuff was where at least from what I've seen, people get hurt. Especially neck bridges. Neck bridges where your whole body and you're doing all this and you're rolling like Tyson, you ever seen Tyson's neck bridge routine when he was younger?

57:03No. Well Tyson had a 20 inch neck, 20 inches. Now crazy that is. His neck would start at the top of his head when he was young. I mean, he had a fucking massive neck. But it's one of the reasons why he was also so good at taking a punch because his head didn't snap around. Look at his neck. That neck is crazy dude. That's crazy. Yeah, like see, look at this is what he would do every day in training. Holy shit that looks rough. But this is wrestler bridge does strengthen your neck but at a cost. And I don't think it's at a cost for everybody. I think it probably can be done safely. But I think you probably have to scale up very slowly and very carefully and make sure that you have the supporting tissue and strength around that to not compromise your discs.

57:51You know, like when you're in these reared positions, like you're never supposed to have all, you know, at least bridging with like 60 % of your weight sideways on your neck like this and then roll it over the side and then roll it over the side. While you're putting all the weight on the back of your head or on your forehead, that's just crazy. That's. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I would. That would fucking sketch dude. Yeah, well, Mike had to get neck surgery. Yo, El Romero, like I said, had his whole neck fused. His neck doesn't ever see him run. No, but it probably looks hilarious. See find the video yo, El Romero sprinting.

58:24It's nuts. His neck doesn't move. It's like this. Like a robot like a terminator. But it's also why you all can take crazy punishment. Like yo, I got head kicked once by I think was Derek Bronson head kicked him and he didn't even move. Like, look at him run. So his neck doesn't move. His entire neck is completely fused and he has his giant scar on the back of his neck. He is a freak though, dude. Did you ever get the impression that if he just like threw himself into the firemore and fights, he probably would have won a lot more. I don't know. I don't know if you can keep that kind of muscle mass and have the kind of cardio that you need to throw yourself into the firemore.

59:05Because it was always it was kind of hard to tell if he was gasped sometimes. Right. And then he would all of a sudden burst out exactly like that cost the Romero fight is still to this day. One of my favorite fights ever. And I don't know man. Like it almost a lot of the Romero fights. It seems like if he just started swinging and going in there that he might be able to take out a lot of dudes that he just let go to the decision. Perhaps, but you have to like know how much gas you have in the tank and only he knows and that style that he has is a style for someone who's very explosive. It's very smart because you don't just explode and keep going.

59:42You won't last you last two minutes and then you'll be dead. Yeah. So what he does is like he looks like so relaxed and then he explodes on you. And when he explodes on people, they don't see it coming because he's lulled you into this false sense of security by this slower speed that he moves at. Like the Jefferson is knock out of Chris wideman. Probably that's the perfect example that he caught Chris wideman with a flying knee as Chris wide was coming in for a takedown. He just like lulled him into like this is the speed we're moving at. We're going to move at this speed. This is how we're fighting.

1:00:12Oh, I'm dodging your punches. Oh, I'm done. I didn't know where BAM he hits with his flying knee and just destroys his head. I mean it was one of the most brutal watch this. So see how he like move. Boom. Yeah, I mean literally his whole body. Back it up against. We could see that one more time. Like before it happens. So they're fighting. He's got him on the ground. Oh, so here it is. So you see how he moves. He's not boom. He just leaps into him. And this is like a highlight thing. It's not showing the whole exchange. But in the fight, you know, wideman is very aggressive, very tough and you know push to pace trying to get the takedowns wideman likes to push a strong pace and really wear on guys.

1:00:59And you know, well, just like kind of like moving relax. And then out of nowhere, he would just blow on you. And that's what he did with the Adesanya too. Like that was a very boring fight because Adesanya is like, I see your fucking game. I'm gonna stay out here and wait for you to charge in on me. I'm gonna counterattack. And you know, I was like, come on. Come fight me. And he's like, I know what you're doing because he he exploded one time and caught Izzy with a left hand like a powerful left hand is he's like, Oh Jesus Christ. This guy moves so fucking fast when he wants to. But he can't really fight like that for five minutes for five rounds.

1:01:32You can't really just keep exploding. That's like the problem with the guy like Conna McGregor. Like Conna McGregor was lethal for one or two rounds. But then you get into the third, fourth and fifth. There's so much fast switch muscle fiber engagement. There's so much explosion. It's like constant sprinting. Yeah. Has he ever knocked out a guy after round two even? That's a good question. I don't know. I mean, he certainly could. Right. I mean, he's not out of shape. I remember what you're saying though. It was like the later rounds. It was so blatant. He was gas. Well, he was so fast in the first couple of rounds.

1:02:08That was the thing. It's like if he didn't fucking tune you up in those first couple rounds. If you were like Nate Diaz, some indestructible zombie. And then you get into the later rounds. And you're fucking tired. Like how is this guy still here? And then Nate is just like slapping you and beat you up. And Nate can push that 50 % pace forever. Him and his brother were very good at that. They didn't really explode. They just will like touch you. They'll just touch you all the time. And you can't breathe because you don't have the time to relax. Right. So if he's constantly hitting you with punches that aren't that hard.

1:02:41Because you're always like, because you don't know if these punches are going to be hard. And then occasionally would mix them up with really hard shots. And so you always have to be ready for the hard shots. So you never get to breathe. You never get to relax. So you're constantly on edge and you're just getting worn out. And he's relaxed because he's just hitting you and touching you. And he's talking shit to you. What bitch? What bitch? What's going on bitch? And he keep hitting you. That's like 50%. Like literally like this. Not really trying to hurt you at all. Just constantly making you tense up and just drain your gas tank.

1:03:14They seem relentless. Oh, dude. Well, his cardio. Nick Diaz, especially his cardio was insanity. He swam back from Alcatraz. He did it on five different occasions in the ocean with great white sharks. Swent what is it like a mile and a half or something like that in the fucking freezing cold Pacific Northwest ocean? I don't know. But how far is Alcatraz? How far is this swim? They used to think you couldn't do it. They used to think no one could survive it. So that's why they put Alcatraz there. I put a prison out there. They're fucked. A couple of guys did escape and they don't know what happened to them.

1:03:49They found their clothes at the beach and their speculation that at least one guy survived it. But how are you going to train? You can train to swim and then you're going to just swim for a mile and a half. Yeah. You're not going to make it. I don't know. What's cardio regimens in prison? I would have no idea. I mean, you could do cardio, but you're not going to recreate swimming without swimming. The resistance, the current, like all of it. Yeah, typewriter regulation. Yeah. You're just not going to be able to recreate that unless you're doing it. And they're not going to let you practice. Like guys, it's just going to do laughs around Alcatraz.

1:04:25Like the fuck out of here. How far is it, Jamie? Mile and a half. So a mile and a half in the fucking ocean with sharks. When was that these prisoners escaped? Like was this decade to go? Was that clenese movie? Escape from Alcatraz to see it? No. No. There's a movie about the actual escape from Alcatraz. These guys had made a paper mache model of their face. Like put it like with puts a pillow and shit through a blanket over it. And the guards and they would go to check thought these guys were still in their bed. Meanwhile, they had tunneled a hole through the wall of the of the cell. 1979 film escape from Alcatraz presented in conclusive conclusions.

1:05:05What does that mean? One of the islands and during mysteries told the true story of three men Frank Morris and the brothers, Clarence and John Algin out Anglin, who made it out of the prison in June of 1962 were never seen again. Nobody knows for sure whether they made good on their escape or drowned in the attempt. True stories like that and others embellished tales of man -eating sharks and killer currents spread by prison guards as a deterrent contributed to the mythology of unassailable Alcatraz and the impossible swim. Well, it's definitely not impossible because Nick Diaz has done it fucking times.

1:05:40But people do it all the time now. You know, it's like an endurance thing that people constantly do know. Someone did a 979 times this guy. Whoa. It doesn't monthly. Oh my god. What a fucking psycho 979 times that is rolling the dice on sharks, bro. What happens when you like Alcatraz is still operating? No, no, no, okay. No, it wasn't operating. Oh, it's like a two -risk attraction. Yeah, when I was a kid, we went to visit it and with school. They took when I lived in San Francisco. They took us to Alcatraz. Our field trip was pretty cool. You had to be in these prisons where all these people used to get it's very weird.

1:06:21It's just why to shut down. I don't know. It's a good question. Why the shut Alcatraz down? Maybe when they figured out people get swimming.

1:06:30Yeah, I mean, it's not on the saleable. It's got to take a long time though. Like how in a mile and a half in the ocean, how long is that takes? Some people think it was because those guys got away, but it was because it was too expensive to do. That makes sense, right? You got to get all supplies out there by boat by ferry. I don't even think they had that many prisoners there. Hmm. Like, you know, but they had like super dangerous ones there, right? Wasn't that the whole idea was all murderers. I think it was like a like super maximum security, like for the biggest psychos. They put them on Alcatraz.

1:07:05Yeah, what was that movie? I think Sean Connery movie as well. Rock. Yeah, that's about there. Yeah, I think. Yeah, I think that was about it too. Yeah, but you know guys who have extreme cardio, like that that's a real weapon. Like, like, power is important in the what's always important, but cardio is one of the most important things because you just when you get tired, you don't think right. You don't have you don't make good decisions. And then you also you just you're just not as effective. You're not going to scramble out of positions. You're going to relax a little try to catch your breath.

1:07:43Like if you get taken down, you're not going to like completely exert. Chuck Lidell said this to me once you said when guys get taken down, they accept the take down and the thing is they get taken down and then they try to work their way back up to the feet. He goes, I never did that when I got taken down the moment my back touched the ground. It was like hot lava and I just exploded immediately. I never let them hold me. And that was the key to never getting taken down and held down is that the moment he's a really good wrestler as well. Obviously, but the moment someone would take him down, he would never accept it.

1:08:15He would just some guys accepted like fucker got taken down. All right, you know, overhook under hook, you know, like control posture, work my full guard, try to get back up try to buy time where I have enough energy to escape and figure out, am I going to try to sweep him? Am I going to, you know, am I going to try to pummel and try to get back up to my feet? Am I going to try to scoot back to the cage? A bunch of different strategies to try to get back up, but the thing is like when you're tired, you'll accept that take down. And when you see guys accept the take down and just pull full guard, like that guy's fucking tired, you know.

1:08:48It was like the recent olive era fight. It was like tough to watch some of the parts where it was just like, oh, it's, you know, you're on the ground now and you're fucked. Yeah, yeah. Well, that fight was crazy, huh? Yeah. Michael Chandler almost fucking had him in that fifth round. Yeah, almost had him. I mean, what a relentless motherfucker that guy is. Yeah. I mean, he's getting his ass kicked for four rounds and then finally almost fucks him up. Yeah, yeah. It's crazy when it comes down to like, you know, do or die mode. How many times it almost turns around. Well, it's also crazy that a guy like him who is pretty heavily muscled and is just such a fucking training machine that he has that ultimate gas tank, even in the fifth round, just explode.

1:09:34And like in the fifth round, he was going hard, which is why I always thought he was a super dangerous fight for Connor. Yeah, he almost seems like a better cardio like Sean Shurker or something. Right. Well, Sean Shurker was one of the first guys who really did have crazy cardio. Did he? I thought he was for the time. Okay. He was a fitness fanatic, like a conditioning fanatic. But like so was there's a few guys like Rich Franklin was like a fitness fanatic to like they dedicated a significant amount of their time just to strengthen conditioning. So they had this like ultimate gas tank. But like with Rich Franklin, the problem was his skill level was never going to compete with Anderson Silva.

1:10:16Anderson Silva was just a god at the time. I mean in his prime and was like 34 years old. He was fucking unstoppable. There's a lot of system differential between everyone and that was like obscene. It was skill too. It's like he had the ability to let punches get right here. And he would just move his head slightly and then pain. Crack you was you all your momentum is coming in. He would counter you. And he was just so skillful. And he was like a computer. He would the first minute of the round first fight like first round of the fight. You would see him moving around and just like trying things on you and just sort of downloading your movements and what your capable of.

1:10:58He would say you swing like okay I got that okay I'll do a little of this. I'll kick him a couple of times. And then by the end of the round he's like okay mother fucker. And then you would see him like like the you should know comedy fight is a great example that by the end of the first round he head kicks. So comedy and drops. I mean he just starts tuning him up. He just he gets he gets what you can do is like you can't do it. I do. And then he just starts turning it on. Yes I'm most fights back in the day. Just felt like a taking time bomb for whoever he was facing. Yeah people forget the thing about fighters when they fight past their prime as you get these guys like Anderson that fight into their 40s and you remember them from their their later fights.

1:11:34You don't remember them when they were unstoppable. Like when Anderson was in his prime he's one of the greatest fighters that's ever lived. Oh yeah for sure. Have you seen that UFC interview where they like accidentally showed I think it was like HGH in the background? Yes. He opened his fridge. What do he eat and I'm eating growth. He's popped for some dumb shit too. If I recall correctly. What is he ever see his coach is weightlifting coach? Probably when I was looking into it but I'm assuming like yoked up this class of mine. I mean I was 65 years old and built like you all were marrowed. Oh my god.

1:12:11See if you can find Anderson's Silva's strength and conditioning coach. I mean there was no way. There's just no way. That guy knows what to take. There's no way. He's in his 60s. Falk and jacked. I mean just super jacked. Like that's him. Oh Jesus. Yeah. Look at Anderson's face. That's a perfect picture.

1:12:38I mean look at that dude. That dude's in his 60s. Me and Muggen. Yeah. Tainted supplements likely cause a failed test. Not what's in my fridge. Look at the size of that guy in his 60s. So obviously he knows what to take. Yeah. That guy knows some stuff. So Chandler you said good match for Connor. Is that ever happening? I don't know if Connor's ever going to fight again. What's happening with his he just got like the civil suit or whatever and he's being dropped by all his companies or something. Yeah. You know I don't know the real details of that case. I know his version of it and her version of it and what played out in the court.

1:13:22But the reality is that guy's party and and he's party and real hard and he talked about it in the in the court case. You know he's talking about cocaine. Like there was the whole thing that we're all doing cocaine and we're fucking dude some of his interviews you can tell he is out of it. Allegedly he seems at least excited. Dude have you seen the Jay Gillen all in Connor interviews for Roadhouse and he's just fucking tweaking the whole time. He seems like he's just like. Yeah I can't imagine he wasn't thinking what are you doing. Right. Right. You know it was funny Shane Gillis has a great bit about Conner McGregor in Roadhouse.

1:13:59He was Conner McGregor basically played a coke doubt Conner McGregor in Roadhouse. And Shane does like a Conner impression so it's fucking hilarious. He's like. I mean he's he likes coke. Yeah. But I think there's another issue to talk about and that is that a lot of fighters when they've sustained a significant amount of damage over the course of their career and there's no way to not get that. Right. I mean we saw we've all seen Conner get beat up and knocked out. We've seen Conner's sparring footage. He spars pro boxers. He's sparring elite fighters. You're getting hit in the head a lot and a lot of fighters especially towards the end of their career turn to drugs.

1:14:43And I think there's probably like a constant state of discomfort that they live in where their dopamine levels are all fucked up. Their their quarters all levels are all fucked up. Their bodies just you're not supposed to get punched in the head a thousand times a year. It's just not supposed to happen and that's the reality of consistent training. So if you think about consistent training like say you and me are sparring and we meet at the gym three times a week and we spar three times a week. And it's let's say we spar five rounds three times a week five rounds of five minutes each. We might you might hit me 15 20 times around and then we're doing that three times a week and we're doing that over and over and over again.

1:15:28And it's not even this is a thing people say oh you spar light sure sure sparring light is important but sub conclusive trauma to the head is what causes soccer players to get CTE. Now soccer players getting CTE from a soccer ball. I've bounced a soccer ball. I played soccer when I was a kid that doesn't hurt but that that thump that's giving you CTE. People who ride jet skis get CTE. Wow. You know that my friend Mark Gordon who is an expert in traumatic brain injury. And he works at the wounded warrior foundation about I think he works with that but he were angel warrior foundation. He works with a lot of veterans that suffer from CTE and uses a lot of hormone replacement to help them because a lot of it is damaged the pituitary gland.

1:16:19Your endocrine system gets fucked up from you know breaches you know explosions blown up in IEDs all those kind of things like those guys are fucked like the inside of their brain is fucked. And there's a bunch of different therapies they apply to that but the bottom line is that it's not just getting knocked out. It's just getting thumped a lot. Just thumped in train. So if we're sparring you know we're friends if we're sparring I wouldn't hit you hard. I hit you like that. I wouldn't try to kill you. I hit you like that but that over and over again you're going to get brain damage. Fact. No if ands or butts about it.

1:16:58You're going to get brain damage. And if you're doing that over the course of a 10 15 year career think about all those camps all those rounds all those times you spark and not just spar that way how many collisions I've been you many times I've been collided with doing jujitsu you accidentally butt heads you accidentally take a knee to the head you accidentally take an elbow to the head it's constant. So you've got consistent trauma to your fucking dome over and over and over again and then you get a little bit of coke little bit of coke. And you're feeling good again. I bet you know you get addicted to it and the guy obviously likes extreme things right which is why such a great fighter.

1:17:42They're wild people. That's why John Jones like cocaine too. They're fucking wild people. They want to fight. You know they want to fight in a cage for a living that's how they literally feed themselves by being the fuck out of skilled people. Yeah I can imagine some like the brain cell death that literally occurs could almost result in the perpetual state of you now need drugs to achieve like baseline even to feel normal. Yeah there's a drug I didn't mention earlier but it's worth mentioning you said what not being tested for it's useful in fighters something called cerebral lichen is used to offset brain damage after fights and not being tested for by water yet.

1:18:22And how does it work? It's like one of the only sources of active NGF and BDNF that you can actually get an effect out of seemingly so like brain drive free of what the NF sense were but it's something that's not going to work. That could be basically grow new brain cells essentially. Whoa. Yeah. Or offset deterioration as well during after fighting. Why would you not let people take that? That seems like that should be standard. That should be given to everybody like vitamins. Yeah yeah it's the pipeline of it getting through a clinical like getting a clinical application. It's still an experimental phases so I could see why it hasn't been getting widespread recognition and for all we know it's not going to prove to be super effective but at least anecdotally from people I know who've used it highly effective for neurogenesis.

1:19:15Yeah what about someone who doesn't have brain damage just wants to get really smart. Yeah tough call. I think that might work. Yeah a lot of people even nowadays are exposing themselves to things that make them stupider too so it might even become you know an adjunct kind of like preventive therapy. Right yeah sure. And it's like sometimes not even purposefully they are doing things that make you stupider it's just like like what kind of things would you describe? I don't know like if you have kids you're never getting good sleep or you're somebody who's constantly on stimulants which you can argue is you know bad lifestyle or whatever but yeah there are certain things that are going to kill brain cells and just aging in general.

1:19:54If you've seen the studies on creatine and performance with a deep deprivation. Yeah what's interesting another thing that not being tested for which I don't think it should be but like creatine adequate doses interestingly for years we all been told take your five grams and you're good. But what's often not talked about is the fact that that dosage is not going to be widespread the optimal one for every single person. You will likely achieve muscle saturation with that dose but it doesn't mean you're going to get the full suite of benefits depending on your genetics how much you weigh muscle mass metabolism.

1:20:30So five grams for 140 pound person versus a 240. Yeah so like some studies have found increased benefits up to like 20 grams a day. Yeah and if you're GI can tolerate it like could be worth trying to see if you get an effect out of you know 10 grams and then elevate from there. Do you take it? Oh yeah. I take in gummy form. That's hard to get an adequate dose though. How is that? Well how many gummies do you need to take to get five? I take six it says take three I take six. Well let's let's see what the dose is go to try create. Yeah I take those two it's 1 .5 per gummy I think. Okay so I'm taking seven eight.

1:21:08So some of the most recent studies are in like elderly women taking 20 grams. Whoa. I'll start doing that. Start with like 10 see if you're GI tolerance and no problem with creatine. I used to I used to think it made my face fat but I think I was just eating two. I think one of the problems with gummies is oftentimes they're less likely to meet label claims. Oh really? I don't know if that's like a third party rigorously tested product or not but interesting. Something to be cautious of. Right and then there's two types right this creatine monohydrate and then there's another creatine. What is the other one?

1:21:39There's different formats but some are like HCl is essentially just bound to HCl instead of monohydrate which could be more tolerable for somebody who gets GI distress from monohydrate. Hmm. Thought to be you know water solubility and other things but in general monohydrate is the one that has the most literature supporting it is tried and true. It's cheaper easier to access. Isn't there some other stuff H something that you take in combination with it? B10 HCl maybe. Wow HMN what the hell? HMB? Yeah that's it. What is that? That's I believe a metabolite of lousine which is like very basically stimulates mTOR.

1:22:24So it could be useful for I think people who are not getting a sufficient amount of protein in their diet and need something to stimulate mTOR for adequate muscle protein synthesis. So like I don't know older people who don't get enough protein for example. Right. It has shown efficacy it's just the situations and contextually where it is the most effective is going to be somebody who is not eating enough protein. But it's like how many people are eating a protein as well. Right. Yeah. Some studies have found that you know upwards of 1 gram per pound a body weight per day could be beneficial and most people aren't getting that.

1:23:03My diet is almost entirely protein. Yeah. Yeah. My diet is mostly pretty fucking hard to get your body weight in protein per day if you're not supplementing with protein you're just eating meat and like animal derived sources. And then even harder if you're vegetarian too. If you're just eating meat and animal derived sources it's hard. For I think for a lot of people to get high quality just if you're going to eat over I don't know a pound and a half the two pounds of meat a day like you could hit your needs pretty easily. Oh I do that easy. Yeah but that's not like a typical person I would say.

1:23:36That's most of my meals are meat. Like my breakfast today I ate like a pound of elk. Yeah. That was my breakfast. So what I do is I meal prep for the week on Sunday. So I'll take out of my freezer I take a bunch of elk steaks and I put them on the trigger. I slow cook them at like 265 degrees until I get them to the proper internal temperature and then I see a room I cut them up and then I put them in like a glass container and put them in my refrigerator and then I pull it out whenever I want to eat. So you have how much meat per day? Multiple pounds. Multiple. Yeah. I probably at least three pounds a day.

1:24:17Yeah. You might be getting I forget how many pounds of meat you need to saturate creatine stores or at least the equivalent of five grams but you'd probably still benefit from trying supplementing more. Do I do take those gummies like I said it takes six of those a day but maybe I get the powder bro. I'm going to take 20 gummies. See what happens. I'm going to see what happens. Pass your calories gummies and rest meat. Yeah let's see what's up. They don't seem to make you they don't upset my stomach at all. It makes you wonder if there's actually a crazy minute. Wow. I've never had a sub stomach from creating.

1:24:49They're taking in the past but I'm taking it now more consistently that I've ever taken it before because with the gummies it's so easy. I keep it in the gym. I just busted open. Yeah. Eat some of them. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good to. Yeah. One of the most slept on supplements for sure. I think I kind of got a I don't know like not as much attention as it deserves. Maybe more recently it's gotten a bit more height because of some of the literature around it's cognitive. Effects and whatnot but it's like super useful for a myriad of things. What is the mechanism for giving you a cognitive enhancing benefit.

1:25:24I think it's thought to be like local energy production in the brain. So some people genetically or as the age or what have you have deficiencies in the capacity to produce ATP and if you can like backfill it with like a readily available source of phosphocreatine then you could basically get it. It's a baseline of where it should be. It makes you wonder like people that are on a vegan diet like what what are their creatine levels like. Oh not good enough for sure. There's no way right. It's impossible. Even if you're somebody who eats a lot of meat you might think you're good but unless you're eating multiple pounds of it unlikely that you've saturated stores.

1:26:04Well that's like one of the more insidious things about these people that are a prostitutizers. We're trying to get people to become vegan and they'll one of the things that they say is it will improve your athletic performance which is like street horses. I don't know of any elite athlete at the very top of any sport that's a vegan. Do you. No, I know some IFBB pros who are vegan but really they do a lot to optimize their diets that requires like special protein supplements and this and that and a massive amount of steroids. Yeah a lot of them are dope too. Yeah that helps. Yeah. There are definitely successful like people who thrive.

1:26:49I think doing vegan diets but oftentimes it is more meticulous than the planning needed to work. So you can actually make it so you can thrive on it as opposed to like if you're eating enough red meat and whatnot like you sort of you can be stupid and still cover your bases. Right. Right. Yeah. So the difference between one thing is like if someone say well a pound of broccoli will equal you know x amount of steak in terms of the amount of protein but it's not the same bioavailability. Yeah like the amino acid composition is not going to be the same and it might not even stimulate muscle protein synthesis to the capacity that is needed to actually be anabolic so like some vegans I would assume might actually benefit from supplementing with like essential amino acids on top of their meals just because they're not hitting a loose threshold.

1:27:40Right. So and that's where like an HMB also can maybe be have use as well. And is creatine is it sourced in a vegan way or is is any of it derived from animal sources. That's a good question. I'm not sure but if you can make testosterone from soy. Right. I think you probably get pretty crazy what they can synthesize. Oh dude yeah you would never think that's where you get it from right. Yeah it just takes so many brilliant people working in so many different capacities to create like all the stuff that we have available right now. Yeah like some dude like took a fucking yeah and was like hey these chemicals look similar to these chemicals that we like making our balls like what's twink it and like make it let's sell it to people.

1:28:28Yeah I don't even know and it works. Yeah that's what's not it's like super effective. Yeah. Yeah it's very strange that it's also kind of derided that like people like look down upon it. Like why would you look down upon anything especially as you're an older person why would you look down upon anything. It's going to make you feel better. Yeah. Now I think more awareness is coming to it but also in women for HRT which is you can argue even more of a necessity than at least with men a lot can maintain residual hormone production to some capacity that could sustain good health long term but with women once you get men and pauses like you are guaranteed to have like a complete cessation of estrogen and progesterone production.

1:29:14Yeah. To where you are guaranteed putting your brain in heart in danger if you don't replace those hormones. Yeah. So it's almost like I don't know like unwinding some of the shitty information that was put out decade ago. That's the thing for women there was a lot of shitty information put out about hormone replacement. Yeah. Yeah it's I think it was the women's health initiative they had some study that showed like a relative risk increase in breast cancer or something to the two and of some negligible insignificant amount and they were also using synthetic drugs as opposed to bioidentical. So it'd be like the equivalent of me putting you on decka and then being like oh well you got cancer so testosterone sucks right now which is fucking ridiculous.

1:29:59Yeah. So they were using like horse piss derived estrogen or something and then like some shady progesterone and determining oh HRT is bad because of some also relatively insignificant increase in cancer risk which at least to date in bioidentical hormones we have not seen play out and the upside far outways the risk seemingly that we can see right now it's just not really permeated the I don't know like masses yet. Well think about how many fucking people are testosterone replacement therapy and how few of them you know that have problems. I don't know if anybody that has a problem with it. I know of so many people that have been enhanced by it and they feel so much better they have so much more energy more life.

1:30:42Yeah. Yeah it's super impactful and for women too like no more hot flashes while you're sleeping your bones aren't going to degrade at the same rates like your brain is not like Alzheimer's rates and women are like 2x that of men and it's really of all it's definitely intertwined with men applause shutting off their hormones. Wow. There's so much shit information out there. That's what's fucked when you hear about studies that like when the sugar industry funded those studies to demonize saturated fat because they were trying to say the saturated fat was causing heart attacks and not sugar when you see about and I think they only paid them like 50 ,000 dollars or something crazy.

1:31:25Oh my god. You know don't know that. Well I don't know it's 50 grand. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure it's like that's $50 ,000 and it ruined and not that if it was a bigger amount of money it would be fine but I mean it's just shocking. Yeah it may say if they paid them 50 million you know well you're unethical but hey if somebody offered me 50 million who knows what I would do. No 50 ,000 dollars and these motherfuckers ruined people for decades and tell them. So one of the portions is ruined like the fucking yeah food pyramid. Oh it's like they've they've here is yep there it is 50 years ago sugar industry quietly paid scientists they wound up paying approximately $50 ,000 in today's dollars for the research.

1:32:04So he's even less than 50 ,000 dollars so it's 50 ,000 dollars today so 50 years ago that's probably 10 grand. Yeah. They paid him 10 grand and these motherfuckers ruined everyone's health. Yeah. Got people taken margarine. Yeah. It's scared of butter and eggs and meat. Crazy. Yeah. So your diet is just meat. Yeah mostly. What about fruit? I eat fruit. Yeah I love fruit. Because you've been like cycling back and forth between. I like fruit before I work out I like fruit after I work out sometimes you know I like fruit but I very rarely eat vegetables unless I want to. Yeah. Like if some maspera and it's looking good off some asparagus you know what I mean like if I see some Brussels sprouts I eat it for taste.

1:32:50Sort of like I think of it like pasta except not as bad for you. I think of it as like oh that would probably taste good. I like to eat some of that. I don't think of it as like this is like nutrition and fuel. Yeah. So when I when I eat for nutrition and fuel it's eggs and steak. Yeah. That's 90 plus percent of my diet. Have you been following the boxing gold medal debacle with that like that. First of all X Y chromosome case closed. Yeah. If you have a fucking and this is what the enhanced game wants to do. So the enhanced games you know they're developing this Olympic style event and they're they're spending a lot of money on it.

1:33:30They have a lot of big investors and they're going to give real prizes like a million dollars if you win the gold medal instead of zero which is what the Olympics goes. And I asked them I'm like how are you going to address like trans athletes and they said we think we're going to do chromosomes. But yeah. Yeah. Which is the only way to do it politically correct. Yeah. You know you don't say this is not a woman you say what do you chromosome if you get it. What are you. What are you chromosomes X Y. Ma 'am you got to be in the X Y box. Good over there. But identify as a woman. Get over there. Get over there.

1:34:03Apparently they used to do sex testing in the Olympics in the 90s I believe they stopped doing it. And then since then it's been like these weird new wants scenarios with as your testosterone level looking male or whatever. And you know it's it gets nuance with the type of like disorder you have because some are far more advantageous than others. And if this medical report that was leaked of this boxers true. It's basically the worst offender of the disorders you could have because it's basically like a five alpha reductase deficiency is basically just depriving your body of DHT. But if you have internal test is making testosterone you still have the full functional capacity of a male to build muscle and bone.

1:34:49And a psychoactive effects and all that. Yeah. Lung size heart size. Now to be determined which I think that that athlete should go get the testing to actually disperivate if it was true or if it wasn't true. But they would have already done that. Yeah. Whether smoke there's fire you know I just I think too many people are calling you a man like there's this one case of there was that runner who. Chastro Samania right so that's a very different thing. No I was like potentially the same thing really yes. So X Y chromosome had internal test is X Y chromosomes five alpha reductase deficiency. And had the testosterone levels of a male because of the internal test is.

1:35:32And you might grow up thinking that you are female because you haven't had adequate sexual differentiation and maturation from the lack of DHT. So it's almost like the equivalent of putting a kid at birth on like a mecha dose of finasteride or dutastride and wiping out their DHT. So they still grow up with male level muscle development from the testosterone. But no mask not sufficient masculineization to differentiate even mature you completely from the DHT. Well let's see what is the latest on this. So let's find out what is the leaked story on this boxer. And find out like like is anybody analyze this is there any like conclusion that anybody's drawn.

1:36:20I don't think so. I think it still is the leaked report legit or not and story I could find this is November 6th confirms the living Olympic boxing champion launching legal action over medical. Okay, but this is just about the legal. No, I was looking for any story about it having updated information. This was the most recent story was written and anything else was from October. Where it was saying that she's also saddened by the abuse she has received. Do you think they go back and edit this if it turns out she's a man. Well, he's saddened by the abuse that he's received. It was about the claims that they were stripped of their title or their gold medal.

1:36:54Oh, that's not true. No, they haven't been stripped. So if they're suing over that that they they can actually win that lawsuit. They're suing over something in the French media because they've forgotten. And I feel like the Olympic committee probably has to lean into you know the whole politically correct angle of it to to not get the scrutiny of you let this person punch women in the head. Of course, of course. Yeah, she'd never felt a punch like this. Yeah, so what? They have all sports to fucking fighting people. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. But so what is the leaked report Jamie find out what the leak report.

1:37:30Excuse me, the leak report of this person is that's what this has to do with it. I understand what it has to do with it. But find out what the actual leak report is. Like what is the leak report? Oh, Jesus. I think it was the basically assessment of internal testicles. Yeah. Okay, French journalists. But it's been there's been multiple studies or multiple articles written saying that this person has X Y chromosomes. That was a supposed failed gender eligibility test from some organization that. Yeah, international boxing association did not allow her to participate in 2023 World Championships after she failed gender eligibility test.

1:38:11But the international Olympic committee did authorize her presence at Paris 2024. But here's the thing like is this when when they say the international Olympic committee did authorize what are they by what? Yeah, this is the crazy thing is apparently their criteria was that you are female on your passport. Oh, but it's like you know if you look female at birth, you easily could if you have this disorder. So didn't Dylan Mulvaney change their passport to a female probably did that find out can you change your passport to female if you're transgender. I think you can. Yeah, I don't know if Dylan Mulvaney did it.

1:38:52I guess so low barrier to you like you just have like a fucking ID piece that says your female. Therefore we're going to ignore test is. Yeah, like what the fuck? The whole thing is so crazy this this is one of the weirder aspect and the reason why people harp on it so much. Why is everybody so obsessed with trans because this is why because it's bizarre. No medical documentation you do not need to provide medical documentation to change your gender marker. So this is for on US passport. You can select M for male F for female or X for unspecified or another gender identity. So you can have X on your passport.

1:39:28I think I'm going to get that. So no medical documentary. So I could be a female. I could just say I'm a female show up the full beard. Genetic Marker you select doesn't need to match your gender on your citizenship evidence or photo ID. So the reason why this works is I don't know what's going on inside you. I don't know how you feel. I could be arrogant and completely not compassionate and I could just decide that you're just full of shit and you're a guy. Or you could be an agony going through life feeling like a woman and not understanding why you have a dick. I think there's that too. But like I talked about in my comedy special perverts disappeared like the flu during COVID like they don't exist anymore.

1:40:18Like a guy in a dress who gets a heart on going into the women's room is a woman now. They used to be psychos. It used to be like Norman Bates in the movie psycho dress up like his mom. Silence of the lambs puts the lotion in the basket. It was like there was if you wanted to make someone in a movie scarier. You put him in a dress. Yeah, he took a psycho killer. You made him dress like a woman like oh this guy's fucking crazy. And then somewhere we just decided that doesn't exist anymore. And so there's no perverts. And so anyone who just says they're a woman gets to go in the women's room, go in the women's locker, play in women's sports.

1:40:54And you're completely ignoring this subset of society that has always been fucking terrifying to people creepy guys who dress up like women who pretend to be women or just perverts. They just want to sneak around women's room and smell their shit. There's people that are out of their mind. And you've given them a hall pass. Yeah, like I could empathize with somebody who didn't know and then became aware of it. And then once they became aware of it, they stopped competing. It would suck for everyone involved obviously. But like I could understand like how shitty of a predicament that is. Yes. But it's like the onus is on you once you've been assessed to not compete anymore.

1:41:38Right. And to like confirm what the fuck is going on. Yeah, go fight guys. Yeah. And it's like even if you're at a disadvantage like well, it doesn't mean you fight girls at your advantage. Exactly. Yeah. If you're a disadvantaged fighting guys, you probably shouldn't be fighting. Yeah, like how many girls are transitioning and then fighting men or competing against men. Zero. Well, also here's the other argument. There is a spectrum. Right. So there are guys with naturally lower testosterone that a guy's like say, you know, Romero. You know, Romero has an advantage over almost everybody. You know, when it comes to like genetics, he's just like a fucking specimen from God.

1:42:14Right. So you give that, which is the rarest of rare. Right. And then you have a guy like, you know, fill in the blank. There's like a bunch of fighters in the UFC. I don't want to disparage anybody. But there's a bunch of guys you look at me like, that's not specimen. But super tough, super technical works real hard, very intelligent. Their approach and they're managed to fight really well. But if they go up against the guy who sees a freak, just a physical freak and that guy works just as hard and is just as intelligent and just as methodical in their training, they're going to have an advantage.

1:42:43Just a natural God -given advantage. Just the universe is kiss them with genetics. And those people exist, man. And so you can't say, well, then that guy should be able to fight women now because he can't beat you over, Romero. Like that's stupid. That's fucking stupid. And it's also you're not protecting women. I thought that the left was all about protecting women. Like this is the whole thing about progressives. Protect people that are like not as safe. Like I don't generally worry about women raping me. Never. Never in my life. Have I been in a bargol boy? I hope some woman doesn't try to rape me.

1:43:20I hope some woman doesn't try to root for me and get my dick hard. And no one ever thinks that way. But women walk through life worrying about getting roofied or getting raped or getting dragged into an alleyway. They worry about that. Guys don't worry about that. It's just a completely different dynamic. So when you are comparing like trans this and trans that like there's not a guy I've ever talked to in my life that doesn't that is even remotely concerned with a trans man going into the men's room. Yeah. I don't give a fuck if like what's that person that was Chas Bono Chas Bono Sonny Bono's daughter that became a man.

1:44:07Chas can come into the men's room. I don't give a fuck. It doesn't even freak me out at all. If Chas is in the men's room and I have a two year old son with me that I have to take into the bathroom and go to the bathroom. I'm not worried about Chas Bono. But I am worried about a pervert. If I if I was a guy and I had a daughter and she was like 10 years old and she went into the women's room and then I saw a man with a fucking five o 'clock shadow and a wig on go into the bathroom behind her and I couldn't go in the men I couldn't go in the women's room and see what's going on. I don't know that might just be a really kind person who identifies as a woman and happens to have a beard or could be a complete fucking psycho which are real things.

1:44:49And by being this compassionate person I'm supposed to ignore the the reality of psychos. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. This is where it becomes like a cult. Like this is where it becomes like you're indoctrinated into this very rigid ideology that you can't stray from at all. And if you do you're you're cast out of the kingdom forever you're a heretic you're a terrible person. Yeah, fucked up man. It's I don't really know. Even the the scrutiny on it. I don't really know how they don't acknowledge how absurd it is. Like it's when you watch people defend it they have to do mental gymnastics. Yeah.

1:45:31It just the you ever see the conversation that I had with Adam Conover about it. No. Oh. Oh, it was one of the most brutal conversations of all time is about trans women in sports. And also this was like a debate. Well, it didn't turn out to be it wasn't planned out. It just it just came about because he was doing you know he's just we're talking about it and it got to the subject of trans women competing. And his position was like I'm in favor of a sport that's more inclusive. So if that makes it more inclusive for trans women and he was like in favor of hormone blockers for children that they've always known that they're a woman like what the fuck are you you don't have any kids.

1:46:07You don't know what kids are like you can tell your kids they're werewolf like stay keep away from the full moon. You're aware of all I always knew like their kids their brains not formed. And also they want to please you. And if you're a fuck how many fucking Hollywood psychos have trans kids how many people were they fly the flag of inclusivity and there they're a proud progressive and I'm proud that I have a queer child. How much of that is your influence is it zero percent because I bet it's not I bet there's some sort of reinforcement of that it's just like the numbers are so extraordinary we have parents that have three trans kids you're like what three what are the odds of that and you're nuts.

1:46:55You're a nutty actress and you have three trans kids are what's going on here. And you're not allowed to say it if you say anything you say oh this person who's clearly mentally ill might actually be mentally ill and might actually have munchows in syndrome you know like they might be doing something terrible to their child because they're just fucking nuts and they want a trans kid like so they could fly it as a they could put their pride flag and they're fucking front door and they feel like a better person there are people like that and then there are also people that are just compassionate people that want people to be free.

1:47:25And do whatever you want they want you to have complete freedom to express your I don't care for a guy wears a dress wear a dress man if that's what you like I don't care you want to paint your nails want to have lipstick on I don't give a fuck have a good time I want you to be happy I'll be your friend just don't try to compete against women in sports that's fucking nuts and don't try to make women uncomfortable by walking with your dick out in the women's walker room. This how other guy in Canada that's 50 years old that identifies as a a teenage girl was competing in like young girl swimming and they allowed him because Canada like you know you live there off the rails you live in a communist shithole that places nuts and they allow some of the most bananas trans stuff of all time they on taxpayer money in Canada they paid for a guy to develop breast milk do you know the story.

1:48:17No, oh yeah has an adopted child paid for them paid for this person to lactate you imagine the toxic milk that's coming out this man. Oh her in this like what is in there like what are you generating you don't even have the glands for it like what's actually being secreted there. So what is that yeah it's like if you asked me would it be good milk quality from some guy on trend or Deca and he's just fucking sick creating shit of his nipples. I'm like fuck no it's fucking no like what is happening what is in that milk what is that going to do to the baby that's sucking on it and all in the name of inclusive in inclusivity all the name of being a kind compassionate open minded person that's not open minded that's nuts and it's cowardly because you're afraid to say what you know to be true because you don't want to suffer the repercussions you don't want to be called a trans vote whatever the fuck that means you don't want to be called a big it you don't want to be called any things so you'll go along with some of the things that you're going to be called a big one.

1:49:16So I'm one of the most preposterous ideas including pretending that perverts don't exist. Yeah I hope I don't know Pierre is going to get into winning the election and get Trudeau out but seems like a reasonable guy. Well he seems way more reasonable than Trudeau who seems completely insane. Yeah I'm like candidly I'm not like a political expert by any fucking means at all so don't take anything I'm saying seriously. Apparently last time I was here people thought I was like by not saying anything about it I was like endorsing Trudeau or something. I was like saying anything I'm not. I don't know there was like comments about how like Derek knows better he knows who this Pierre guy is I'm like no I just don't follow this shit like I should probably.

1:49:59Yeah. But he yeah he seems reasonable and in contrast to Trudeau who's like a fucking. Full on long show full on lunatic who's completely changed his tune on so many different things including going after guns what they did with the trucker the trucker strike. Yeah like the debanking thing you guys talked about recently it's like not new news in Canada. I know well they did it to people who donated. Yeah to the trucker convoy which is really crazy so you just say hey these people shouldn't be mandated to get a vaccine that has you know a safety profile that's really like we don't really know. Yeah we don't know there's no long term studies we don't really know what's going to happen and you're just like mandating this.

1:50:40Yeah why why I don't have to do it why you making me do it. It turned out you really didn't have to do it so this is what what's turned out now like you know the was it the here I'll send it to you Jamie so they released a study recently where the actual government went and looked over here I'll say this. So they went and looked over what the actual results were from the pandemic and the findings are there you know not that shocking to anybody who is actually paying attention but completely contrary to what the instructions were when we were young and this or when you know COVID was a recent rather.

1:51:20So COVID -19 this is the house released a 500 page report on COVID -19 pandemic key findings COVID -19 likely originated from a lab related incident in Wuhan China crazy you get banned from YouTube for saying that banned okay over 200 billion dollars in relief funds lost to fraud with criminals exploiting week oversight. Prolong lockdowns and arbitrary mandates cause severe harm economic devastation mental health crisis and historic learning loss while lacking robust scientific support policies ignored natural immunity pushing mandates that eroded trust and harm public perception of science absolutely W.

1:52:03H. O. and CDC compromised by political interference offering inconsistent unscientific guidance that fueled public distrust and the key players included federal agencies and Cuomo's administration actively obstructed oversight efforts and hid critical evidence select subcommittee on pet coronavirus pandemic basically said all the conspiracy theorists were correct every single one of them no repercussions no retractions no apology from Rachel Maddow none of it. Yeah, man, it's a candidate the lockdowns were pretty absurd. I know here they were a dependent on the state and whatever but yeah, Canada was like get your vaccines you're not leaving to go anywhere yeah yeah crazy fucked up did you have to take it yeah dude fucking sucked did you have a side effect no well at least that I could tell and I've never do a D dimer test yeah you're normal that's good well from what I understand I talked to a friend of mine who's very nice.

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1:53:36I'm not a real man. vessel. So that could be the cause of myocarditis, all these different neurological conditions, all these different things. So the lipid nanoparticles and this vaccine gets in your system, your body reacts to it like it's being attacked. Right? Well, if it gets to the heart, your heart doesn't heal, right? Which is why your heart doesn't get cancer. Your heart scars, like your liver heals, your liver regenerates. You could lose half your liver. You know, you could donate half your liver to someone and it'll grow back in weeks. Yeah, yeah, liver's resilient. It's nuts. Yeah.

1:54:16But your heart's not like that. So the heart scars over and it leads to, you know, enlargement of the heart, myocarditis, paracarditis. So this is the thought, this is what my friend told me who's a very intelligent person. I want to name him. But he said that the real issue is that they didn't aspirate and a significant number of people that are experiencing these long term issues from the vaccine is because it went right into their bloodstream when it was supposed to be intramuscular. There is several times now because it's, especially if you're on TRT, you're probably more understanding of how to inject yourself almost than somebody who's like a random pharmacist that just jamming people as fast as they want every single day, just as part of their gig.

1:54:59And you're kind of risking it if you just let somebody else pin you. Like sometimes you feel like being like, Hey, like, can I do this? Right? Yeah. Right. But even then, like if you jam it into your arm, it's possible that you could hit a blood vessel. Yeah. Have you ever heard of Trencroff? I have. What is that? Yeah. So it's thought to be that if you get into like you Nick Avain or something or you'd like hit a blood vessel, for example, and you get some of it bleeding immediately into systemic circulation, rather than being intramuscular entirely, it goes very quickly up to your lungs and you basically have a coughing fit get induced by your body trying to like expel whatever is there.

1:55:40And so like I could absolutely see something that wasn't meant to go immediately into systemic circulation, being more problematic. Like with Trencroff, I've experienced it personally back in the day. This is like one of the most sobering things about bodybuilding is if you get Trencroff, it's like the most pathetic scenario you'll ever find yourself in because you're just this muscle bound dude who just injected yourself with like cattle steroids and you're just looking at yourself in the mirror, hacking up a long sweating your fucking face off. Like what am I doing with my life? And you can't get around to other than just like cough along for three minutes.

1:56:16It takes three minutes for it to go away. It depends but like how much you have and all this a bunch of stuff. But yeah, it's like basically if it happens, you can feel it coming on, you just like fucking brace yourself on the sink and you can get ready to hack up a long for a few minutes. Jesus. And is it a consistent thing or is it a one -time thing? Like right after injection or is it something that we're talking about? It's after injection, but it's like, you know, who knows what that does? Once you get like solvents and fucking, you know, like whatever else is in your compound, in your solution into systemic circulation immediately.

1:56:46Like I don't know. What is Tren? Is something that the craziest of people that I know have taken including like Jiu -Jitsu guys that really want to get super jacked? They take Tren. And I'm like, what is it about the Tren? And they apparently get like ultra violent when they're on Tren? Yeah. So it's a unique compound that was called Tren below and is that what it's? Yeah. And it used to be used in for like, I forget what the clinical application was, but it was a pharmaceutical approved steroid back in the 80s. And then was, you know, basically taking off the market similar to around the same time that interestingly enough, Biden was the one who spearheaded getting like steroids scheduled essentially.

1:57:30Biden did? Yeah. He was like at the forefront of pushing for the banning of them or scheduling. If I don't have muscles, nobody has muscles. Yeah. And that's like, he's blamed often by the bodybuilding community for the lack of refinements in animal steroids because now we're stuck with the same drugs we've been using since like the 80s. So like every drug category has had significant refinements over the years to make them more effective, less side effect rid in, et cetera, like GLP one medications, for example, highly effective and constantly being like lightning through pipelines to create really, really refined ones that are less problematic.

1:58:07And with steroids, that was being done in the 80s. And then once there was, you know, the Ben Johnson debacle, I believe it was. Yeah. That brought all this, you know, public outcry. Yeah. Yeah. And getting positive for a windstroll, I think. And people were like, is this just going to become like a fucking like chemical warfare essentially in the Olympics and whoever's dope the most is going to win. People are freaking out. And the response was Biden getting it, including testosterone scheduled. Wow. Yeah. And then there was this huge stigma developed around them in the taboo of being on steroids was developed.

1:58:45And that's kind of what led to this probably slowing down progress decades and likely preventing people from getting steroids developed that were far less likely to kill them. Yeah. So we get to have like a really refined, highly effective compounds by now that don't make your heart explode if you just, if they just continue probably. Well, I know that one state, I think it was Oregon essentially decriminalized everything. I think they've taken that back now because I think it was like a just, Oregon's a disaster in a Portland in particular. Like you go, there's just needles and drug addicts and it's like open air drug marks everywhere because of all the homelessness and the camping on the street, the tent situation there is fucking nuts.

1:59:30And they're super tolerant progressive people. So like overwhelmingly, right? So they just look at it like in terms of compassion for these people. We need to fund them and you're basically giving them money to stay homeless. It's really nuts. So when a society like that decriminalizes everything, we're just gonna have fucking people are gonna go, Hey, why are with math and, and you know, and whatever else they want to get. But they also did it with steroids. They did it with everything. They essentially decriminalized all drugs. But I think they took, did they take that back, Jamie? I would be curious, even if it was decriminalized though, what the access would be like, because it's still gonna be contingent on compounding pharmacies being able to make stuff legally, which from what I understand is actually getting worse scrutiny as opposed to like it getting better.

2:00:18Well, they're scrutinizing peptides now, which is yeah, really crazy. Oregon law rolling back drug decriminalization takes effect, making possession a crime again. So is it of all things? Did they just change the law totally? So it's a democratic control legislation passed the re criminalization law in March. Overhauling a measure approved by 58 % of voters in 2020 that made possessing illicit drugs like heroin, punishable by a ticket and a maximum $100 fund. The measure directed hundreds of millions of dollars in cannabis tax revenue towards addiction services. But the money was slow to get out the door at a time when the fentanyl crisis was causing a spike in deadly overdoses and health officials grappling with the COVID -19 pandemic.

2:01:00We're struggling to stand up the new treatment system. State auditors found. Okay, so they just couldn't keep up with what was, they didn't follow through with the whole idea of these addiction centers and rehabilitation centers. Yeah, and like some of this stuff is like, I don't even know how much it would help being able to possess something when you can't even get it prescribed to be in one. Right, you can't manufacture it. Yeah, like if you're allowed to get cocaine, if you're allowed to possess cocaine, well, you're buying fentanyl lace cocaine from the cartel. Like what do you? Yeah, like in Canada, it's not a, I'm pretty sure it's not a crime to possess steroids, but to sell it and distribute it is a crime and there's still no pharmacies that are making like pharmaceutical grade steroids that aren't testosterone.

2:01:50Could a pharmacy make it and give it away? I think we have some Elon Musk type of crazy person. I don't think so, probably not. Right, so if it's decriminalized and you're allowed to possess it, are you allowed to make it? No, I think just like the process of distributing, probably, I don't even know, but I know like oxandril and for example, anavarva is recently like banned entirely and it's been allowed to be prescribed for certain like hyper specific niche purposes for decades. It's been around since the 80s and it's banned in America as well. Yeah, like recently, it was added to like it was basically de -approved.

2:02:28But why? Good question, apparent. I think you can still get the COVID -19 vaccine. Yeah, easily. I'll still tell you to get it. Yeah, try to give it to kids. Yeah, it's crazy because how many people are dying from anavar? Not many. Like what's the numbers? It's like Brazil nut deaths? I mean, it's definitely not the safe is safe drug, but I mean like it's you know, when it's used appropriately, it can be fine. Right. Yeah. But there's not a crisis. No, yeah. That's the thing. It's like, why are you passing laws when there's not an issue? Yeah, I don't know what the effect of RFK will be, but it sounds like he might be able to influence things now in like a positive direction to that stuff.

2:03:14He looks a little saucy. Oh, for sure. He's 70. He's, I think he admitted that he's on TRT. Yeah, clearly. I mean, if you would have to be the craziest genetic freak of all time to carry that kind of muscle mass at 70 naturally. Yeah. Yeah. So that's good. And he also is open to the idea of changing the classification of psychedelics as well, which I think is going to be really important to people. There's a lot of things that morons are preventing society from using. And that's really all it is. People who are ignorant to the effects, ignorance to the, they're ignorant to all of it and they're compromised generally by pharmaceutical drug companies.

2:03:52Yeah, I definitely think psychedelics have utility. One thing I do see that freaks me out those people permanently changing their brain chemistry with like heavy ayahuasca exposure or whatever. Oh, yeah. Like, have you seen, I've seen multiple cases of the social media as well as in real life, people have gone like retreats and then come back unrecognizable in third demeanor and how they behave and not in a good way. Like weirdos. Yeah. Yeah. I know a few. Yeah. Like, have you seen a liver king recently? No, what's going on? He seems like, I don't know, like borderline gets a frenic now. Okay, but is that also, I think he was mentally ill, right?

2:04:30Maybe. Yeah. I would have listened. Let me just classify my definition of mentally illness as someone who lies. I think that's a mental illness. Okay. I think lying when it's really obvious. Yeah. Like, you know, if I try to tell people I'm six foot three, that's an obvious lie. If I say that over and over again until somebody comes up with a ruler, that's crazy. You have to be a crazy person. That's a mental illness. If you lie and say you're black and you're actually white and you like work for the NAACP, like the Rachel Dole's old lady, kind of mentally ill, right? Yeah. So that's mental. That's a mental illness.

2:05:01There's something wrong. You're not like, not thinking clear and you're doing a thing that we generally like universally say is a bad thing, which is lying. Right. So if you're doing that, you're lying about taking steroids when it's super obvious, you're on steroids. You're 46 years old. You look like a fucking superhero. You're right. Just super jacked. You know, and then gets caught. Okay. So now we have to come out and say that he's now imagine you've never been famous and then all of a sudden you are really, really famous, really quickly over the course of a few years. Like social media all over TikTok, your profile is elevated to the point where you could say to the regular person's street, you know who liver king is like, oh yeah, that roared it up guy.

2:05:44Everybody knows who he is. Then the hate because your labs come out and finds out he's not a shitload of things. Just guys, juice to the tips. Obviously, for guy like you or like me, we look at a guy like that like you've got to be on the juice. You don't even look remotely normal. They everyone says that though too, but a lot of people believe them. Well, a lot of people are just ignorant, right? But the people that knew like yourself, 100%, you knew that that guy was on steroids, right? So then imagine the anxiety that comes with being exposed and then the hate. Now I don't this dude, I don't know what this dude does in terms of like social media if he reads comments, but she's imagine the psychological effect of being bombarded by people calling you a piece of shit and a liar and a fraud all day long.

2:06:35Every time you check your Instagram or whatever you got your YouTube, the comments are filled with people who hate you. Filled with it and you're just like sitting there, stewing in your own shit and just freaking out about your decisions and your brain probably gets overrun by stress. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It's I don't even know for him specifically either. If he did psyched Alex or not, I'm pretty sure he's talked about it openly, but it was just like some of the videos were really odd and it kind of reflected behavior I've seen of people who had like experiences gone awry, but certainly not representative of what happens if it's done properly.

2:07:17Well, I think it depends on if it's done properly to who. Yeah, like your baseline state and like what you're yeah. I think there's people like this is the argument that Alex parents had when he wrote that book, you know, he used to write for the New York Times, he wrote a book called Tell Your Children and it's all his argument is that marijuana is not safe for everybody, right? It's safe for a lot of people. I know a lot of people use marijuana all the time. They don't have any problems, but I do know multiple people that have gone schizophrenic from marijuana. No, is it they were going schizophrenic anyway and then these high dose marijuana experiences were the tipping point.

2:07:54We don't really know, but we do know there's a correlation and I've seen it. I've seen it with multiple people where they were really normal and then all of a sudden they start talking to you about like, you know, like someone's talking to them and their head and there's a chip and Elon Musk is going to have them be the king of Mars and like people lose their shit, man. And they go into this world of paranoid fantasy and delusion and it's horrible to see, especially if someone that you care about, it's really fucking weird. Kills your REM sleep to marijuana does. Yeah, well, if you're using it like too sleep, it can reduce sleep latency, but significantly harms REM sleep.

2:08:34So you might not be getting quality sleep every night, which exacerbates the effect. Definitely fucks with your dreams. You know how I know this? Sober October, when we do sober October, like immediately have these wild dreams, like super vivid dreams. I'm like, where are these things been? So like for the whole month, it's crazy. Do you track the sleep metrics when you're doing sober October versus? No, I was doing it for a while with whoop. I was like checking my recovery. I wasn't that. I'm basically a feel person. Like how do I feel? I'm pretty good at knowing how I feel. And if I feel well rested, if I got eight hours sleep and I feel well rested, I'm not even going to check mine.

2:09:11I don't care. I feel great. Let's go. Let's go. I just like, I think so much of it is mental. You know, so much of it is like the energy that you have to approach your day is enthusiasm and health. You know, that's where your energy generally comes from. Yeah, the stress of tracking can sometimes like defeat the purpose as well for some people. I think it's also, you know, I've heard people talk about like addiction, you know, like how many people are addicted their phones, most of us, right? There's an addiction to checking like health metrics. There's a, and there's also an addiction like competing.

2:09:45But I would say that that's an addiction that's fairly positive. Because you're addicted to these numbers that are correlated with health benefits. So I was like, what is addiction? Okay, if you're a gambling addict and you're losing your house and your children don't have food, okay, that's a detrimental addiction. But if you're addicted to exercise and you're super fit because of it and you're going to live longer and you're healthy as fucking, you look great. Is that really an addiction? I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. We're talking about the same kind of pattern. But like I've been addicted to a lot of things.

2:10:21I've been addicted to martial arts for sure. Like if I don't, I would be like out in public and if people, if people were boring to me, I'd be thinking of combinations. I'd be like talking to them. But I wasn't thinking about what they were saying. I was thinking about how I'd hit them. I'd think about like if they step like this, then I go, what if I step here? I was like working out footwork and I would do it in my head because I was an addict. But I was addicted to something that was very positive. Yeah. No, it's a, you need some or two, it's for your, I don't know, dopamine too, I guess. Yeah.

2:10:53If it's positive, it's like probably the best thing you could hope for as long as you don't go over the top, which is pretty difficult to do with health stuff. Right. So. Well, you can break yourself down with overtraining. You know, I would say my good friend, David Goggins, is broken his body down with overtraining. He's got no cartilage in his knees and he's running thousands of miles. He's a complete psychopath. He must be an agony like every step he takes and he does not give a fuck. He just keeps going. It's really crazy to see. His doctor looked at his knees and said, this is from him directly.

2:11:27He said, I don't know how you could walk on these knees. Forget about run thousands of miles. Yeah. They had to cut his, his knee because it's bone on bone. His bone was distorting so much by growing to kind of like deal with the inflammation and like it's, but it's like some, I forget what it's called. It's something wolf syndrome something. So they had it cut his leg, cut his fucking tibia bone and shift it down so that it's flat. So they could run flat bone on bone. That's fucked. Dude, it's madness. Dude, it's even more madness is the guys who get their tibia smashed open and femur and then get height increasing.

2:12:07That's crazy. Dude, did we have found that one guy was like six two who did it? Dude, I'm doing a podcast with him in two days. What is it called? I got my knees done. Is that why he took his page down though, didn't he? Yeah, I think he was off social media for a while and I was actually going to do a podcast with him last year and then it didn't end up working out and he's available and into the idea still. So, was he fully healed now? He went from six foot to six foot six. Jesus Christ, look at the size of him and this is him wheeling himself around. And he was a massive guy too. Look at the size of his fucking arms.

2:12:44Yeah, the guy is like a genetic freak for muscle for sure. Let's become taller. They're cranking their legs. This is nuts. So basically they go in and shove these rods into your legs either in the tibia or the femur or you can do both if you want to max out and you can basically micro adjust stretch it to create a separation between the bone which then fills in with new bone over time. And this is him seven months after the lengthening process. I want to see where your legs look like dude. Why I got sweatpants on. See what those little toothpicks look like. So this guy went from like nuts. I don't know what his original height was but he's six feet now and he was like I think five six or five seven.

2:13:28Wow, that's crazy. So I have a lot of questions about is your athleticism permanently fucked now. Are you ever going to be able to squat again? You know like what's life like now? What was the surgery process? Rehabilitation? What are your mechanics? Like you have to change. If you learn how to fuck it. Yeah, the distance between your shin, like your kneecap and your foot, if that changes dramatically, like your whole timing is different. You have more a different leverage. Everything's different. What does it do to your hips? Yeah. You know, you're going to wear your hips out earlier. Like your body's probably like, has to compensate for these freakishly long shins now.

2:14:07Yeah. And this guy too, he's a unique phenomenon even among the people doing this crazy surgery because he got the full six inches, which is not necessarily typical having both bones broken to do it. And then maxing it out at the weight he's at too. So he has to support the recovery unlike I can imagine seemingly like 300 plus frame or something. Jesus. Right. So a lot of people who get it done are like five six trying to become like five. The way 150. Yeah. It's like more right. It's still probably fucking insane. It's insane. Yeah. But it's just you're only stretching one bone, right? Yeah, I have to are they doing the tibia as well?

2:14:49You pick. So the tibia and the fibulae, rather. Yeah. Both of them femur or tibia or both. Oh, you do femur. Oh, yeah. I could be misspeaking, but I'm pretty sure it's one or the other and both. Yeah. And he had both done and he used a recovery like. Yeah. Good question. So. So this is this guy after how long? A couple weeks after he's doing how he can jump, which is not much. A couple weeks after he gets his surgery done? No, no, no, after he gets the bars pulled. It's like week by week I think. Jumping after height surgery. Oh, look how skinny his legs are. So he's pretty skinny. So this is him in the beginning.

2:15:33He's trying to do it. I would be terrified to do that. So I would be my curiosity is how athletic really prior and then what is their maximal like what's their max out point of recovery and contrast to their baseline? Cause yeah, you could show me a box jump that looks like you're somewhat functional, but it is. That's so crazy. Yes, they like stick a rod in it and micro I think like a year probably or I don't know month. So for a year you're walking around with these like iron shin plates. Yeah, that's pretty good. And getting all the bitches now. Looking all sexy at all. Now there was one guy Jamie that you pulled up before who had it done and they they showed him doing some athlete athletic drills like cone drills and coordination drills and he looked fucking great.

2:16:28He looked like a real athlete even though he got it done. It didn't look unless he's just unbelievably athletic before and maintained a lot of it. I would like to know like did you have a decrease? Like could you what do you I mean you obviously look insane right now, but what you used to be able to be able to do. Yeah, some of the stuff I'm curious about too is like how much of the content you see online is like sponsored versus actual like user content just reviewing their experience. Cause you could see like for example hair transplant tons of people get sent like fully paid to go get a transplant done as long as they speak positively about it and whatever.

2:17:07So imagine a guy who's getting like specialized attention, which you would want if you're getting your fucking legs broken and you're getting it covered or whatever you just have make sure you talk about it positively. Right. How much of that content is like legit versus you know somewhat manufactured. That's a very good point. Yeah. That's also one of those things where if you're of social media influencer, you probably want to appear like you're doing all the right things. Yeah, you would never want to admit that you fucked yourself up for high increasing surgery. I can't walk right. I'm in pain all the time.

2:17:41I can't run anymore. You'd become the case study for like why to not do it. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder I wonder like what kind of an effect that would have on your mechanics. I really do. I would imagine for martial arts, like you know where everything is, like like if I'm throwing a kick, I know exactly where my shin is going to land from the distance that I'm at. Yeah. Like I've got like this mine. My mind is coordinated for this short body. I know exactly how much distance I have to cover. If all of a sudden you add six inches to that. Oh yeah. You're all you're everything is weird. Dude, even gaming, even gaming a bit of muscle can throw off your depth perception of how strong like for example when I was in high school, I played basketball and I started working out in grade 11 and gained like 50 pounds in a year.

2:18:32And my three -pointer that used to be just like just fucking money every time I knew exactly how to shoot the ball like it was you know just second nature to because you've been doing it for a decade or whatever. And then all of a sudden you add this extra force production that you're not accounting for. All of a sudden everything's thrown off. And also your sore all the time because your last lifting which makes you tight. Yeah, it became a brick house after that. It's a giant problem with pool. You know. Oh, I get mad at you. When I lift weights and then play pool it takes like an hour before I can loosen up and play good.

2:19:08Oh, I get everything's off. It's like my arms not listening right. It's all stiff. Like for pool you want to like when I'm playing really well, I'm barely holding onto that cue. It's like I'm almost letting the cue do all the work. It's like a very gentle thing. But then when I've been like I do like a heavy kettlebell session and then I try to play pools like everything's just tight and goofy and clunky and you don't you don't feel it like pool is like a feel game like you're feeling how many rotations you're putting on the ball to get it to move to the next position. Like literally you're within one or two rotations correctly.

2:19:48Yeah. And that's the difference between getting into an area where you can make the next shot or not. Yeah. Like so it's all feel like these guy like Fedor Gors to he's like one of the best players in the world. He he changed cues. He changed cue companies. The same weight, the same like taper, the same tip millimeter and he said his shot was about 10 % off. He goes 6 to 10 % off. He's like what? Like how? He's like he just it's off. It takes a while to recalibrate. Yeah. This is one of those examples where like you know in MMA too. Like if you gain a bunch of muscle from drugs even like it's not necessarily beneficial.

2:20:28Your mobility could be inhibited flexibility. Gas out quicker. Yeah. Even in BJJ it's like and you can toss to the tits but like it might not be helpful to the capacity. You can actually push it. Right. You know you might gas out quicker all of a sudden you can't do things that you used to do. I think the key is moderation in lifting in regard to unless you're on the sauce. You know if you're doing anything like MMA or any skill based thing because as soon as you're tight and sore you're not going to learn well. You're you're you're not going to have a snap to your punches. You'll be pushing punches.

2:21:04You know there's there's a fluidity like some of the hardest techniques almost look effortless because there's a fluidity to like if you're landing a kick for example like a hard kick like a spinning back kick like with John Jones knocked out Steve Amy Ocho -Twith. There's a there's a dance going on with your nervous system with all your muscles moving in coordination. If you think of how complex that movement is right. He's standing like this sideways and he's looking for them and at the right moment he pivots on the ball of his foot turns his heel towards the person rotates his entire body this way and shoves his leg forward pushing off his back leg with all of his weight and there's a timing.

2:21:50You don't want to hit him here and you don't want to hit him at the end of it. You want to hit him right in the sweet spot. So you've got to know your foot on extension is going to be properly distanced from his ribcage in order for you to get maximum force and it's all happening in a fraction of a second it's bump and when it lands it's like getting hit by a fucking car and if you taught it but it's a dance and if you're here he's seen do this look at this fucking dance man watch this look at that turn boom I mean it's perfection. I had a feeling that if anyone could appreciate this it would be yeah you for sure given this is like your signature right.

2:22:31Oh that's my specialty kick. Yeah that's yeah. Not that everyone is impressed by it but like I knew you would see it as like. Oh so hyped up for it because I always wondered why more people don't throw it and that's also the same kick that Max Holloway landed on Justin Gagci at the end of the first round he fucked him up in the end of the first round with a spinning back kick to the face which is a crazy kick to take in the mud. Sick fight but that it's but you know steep A's one of the toughest guys ever walked the face of the earth for him to go down like that look at the force look at the force boom I mean your whole his rib went in like look how deep it goes in on impact look how fucking deep his heel isn't look at that that's insane.

2:23:14That's like the body equivalent of that Tony Ferguson picture right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That mean that is incredible amount of penetration look at that. I mean all of his organs just went in shock right there and if he was on the other side it would be even more devastating because that's not even the side where the liver is that's just general organ trauma. You know and he just can't take it he just goes down and then that's a wrap. So what happens when aspirin all fights John Jones. I got to hope they fight. I want to know it's got to happen. Here's a question with aspirin all what happens with aspirin on the second round.

2:23:55Oh yes. You want to talk about a guy with sprints. Yeah. You want to talk about guy with fast twitch. Aspen all is one of the fastest heavyweights. He might be the fastest heavyweight in the history of the sport. I don't think anybody moves like that guy does at a 250 plus pound frame his movements fucking extraordinary and that's something you have to deal with like that is a crazy ability. His ability to move like the way he moves is so much different than everybody else in the sport like Google let's come up with a good aspirin all fight about the curse blades fight was pretty quick but how about the last one with the Pavlovich fight where he won the interim title.

2:24:36That's a good one. I got Volkov was three minutes. Yeah all of his fights like all together he's fought like 10 minutes. Everybody gets blown out. Yeah. But let's let's watch one of them like the the only loss he has was he blew his knee out throwing a kick which is crazy. What didn't even get hit. He threw a round kick in his ACL exploded. So let's see Martian Taboro. That's a good one. He's so fucking fast dude. The Andre Loskey fight you can see that's pretty fast too. We'll put the Taboro one. It's the left left -hand side go above that above that to the left. Right there click on that. No but it's going to be a small one.

2:25:19I can't control this. That's fine. That's fine. I just want to show his movement. Look how fast he moves in. I mean that guy so fucking fast he moves like 175 pounder. He doesn't move like a 250 pound guy. Look how quickly he closes the distance man. His hand speed and full range of skills. Incredible stand up. Nox guys out with one punch. Black belt and jujitsu. Really good wrestler. His everything and he's young. So what's your prediction if it happens? It's hard to bet against John. It's hard to get bet against John but John's not a real heavyweight. John could make light heavyweight 100%. He weights 230 right now.

2:26:00Maybe a little less than 230. There's no doubt in my mind that if John just changes diet and went but he hasn't put that much mass on that you would say 205 is out of reach. No it's a fluffy weight. Yeah. I mean look he had always had the reputation of fucking all the heavyweights up at Jackson Winkle John. Always. Everybody said like when Brendan went down and trained with him. Brendan was a heavyweight. Brendan Sean. He's like he fucked me up because dude I was like top 10 in the world as a heavyweight. I thought it was the shit. He fucked me up. He he beat my ass and he goes he beat everybody else's ass too.

2:26:34All the other heavyweights ragged all dudes way bigger than him. He's just a freak. His wingspan is like how much longer than his height though too. It's crazy. Yeah it's insane. Crazy reach and also just skillful. His skills are so rock solid in every way shape or form. His stand up. His submissions. He's crazy strong. His got just insane mind for fighting. And would he blow out Pereira? You think where it's not even a worthwhile? The problem is the ground. John so much better on the ground like worlds better. You know and it takes so long to get really good on the ground and we've seen Pereira getting trouble with guys on the ground that are nowhere near John's level.

2:27:17No where near. John dominates everybody. He took down Daniel Kormier. Daniel Kormier is an Olympic wrestler. I mean he's a fucking phenomenal wrestler and John took him down and took him down multiple times. He's a different dude man. This is what we're talking about like with genetics right there's some guys they're just blessed. And then with John it's blessed and his mind. It's not just it's his personality. His like ruthless competitiveness. He's like he's not going to fucking lose. He's going to find a way to get you and he's going to do it clever. He's not trying to take a bunch of punishment and to stand in banks.

2:27:55I got to point the center of the octagon. Let's go right here. We're stand right here. Never going to happen with John Jones. You're not getting none of that son. You're getting knees to the gut. You're getting your knees kicked. You're getting fucking just liced up with elbows where your fucking heads bleeding. He's going to slowly dismantle you and find a way to submit you or punish you. Beat you to death on the ground. But can he do that with a guy like Aspenal who's a legit 255 pound natural who moves like he's 80 pounds lighter. He's a freak man. Aspenal is a freak. Like I've seen a lot of heavyweight even Francis who's like the greatest scariest power striker I've ever seen in the heavyweight division.

2:28:37No one's scary than Francis. Francis does not move like Tom Aspenal. Tom Aspenal is significantly faster than every other heavyweight. That's a real problem. That's a real problem. But John has been used to fighting guys like Alexander Gustafson, guys who are really fast at light heavyweight. So the speed is not going to be as much of an adjustment. Like John's used to really fast people. He fought Leo to Machita when Machita was in his part. Machita was a lightning bolt man. And he caught John a bunch of times. But then there's the thing of getting caught by Leo to Machita is not like getting caught by 255 pound Tom Aspenal.

2:29:16That's pretty crazy being at the top of the sport for like two errors essentially. There's no one like him. Yeah, like when I was like a fucking teenager watching UFC, it was like Lyodov versus him. You have like Mauricio show gunned Ruafites and 14 years at the top. Yeah. 14 years and debating whether or not he's the pound from pound best fighter alive right now. Islam Makachev currently holds that standing. And I think that is voted amongst experts. I think that's what you know, air quotes experts. Some of these guys don't know jack shit. There's guys who vote on this that literally have never rolled a day in their life.

2:29:53And that's the fact. But the meme's pretty funny though, where it's like every time Dana says John does the bet and they'll put it in front of like it'll be like, I don't know, some obscene scenario. It'll be like somebody getting a terminal illness diagnosis or something. And then Dana way it comes and he's like, put John Jones is the best fucking fighter of all time. I want to make sure that what I said was accurate. Like who does get to decide what the pound for pound list is. I believe it's MMA journalists and experts. Now there's MMA journalists that I know that are really nice guys. And I don't want to say any names, but I know they never worked out a fucking day in their life.

2:30:29And they love the sport. They cover it fairly and they're very knowledgeable and they're very good at reciting stats and understanding things. But how much do you really know? Ratings were generated by a voting panel made up of media members. See, that's a problem. Media members were asked to vote on who they feel the best top fighters in the UFC by weight class and pound for pound. A fighter is only eligible to be voted on if they are active status in the UFC. Now this is not to disparage any of these media people. Like I said, I love them. I'm friends with a lot of them. They're great guys. They there's no way you absolutely understand someone's ability, especially when you're talking about pound for pound, unless you've done martial arts.

2:31:13I just don't think I can see like when John threw that kick, I see that kick and I go, that was beautiful. That's beautiful because I know how kick so I know what's supposed to happen. You're just guessing. You're guessing on what you never done that on somebody. If you've never done that, you don't know how beautiful that is. You don't really get it. You kind of get it, but you get it the way I get flying a plane. I never flowed plane. I kind of see they pull the lever. That guy did a great job flying that plane. Look how he landed. Perfect. I don't know where it's really going on. You know, but when it comes to martial arts, I know it's really going on.

2:31:47You don't think you can make a greatest of all time complete argument because the way I like to look at it, I say, who had the highest expression of martial arts excellence during their prime? Like what? I don't mean the entire career. I don't mean now. I mean, when they were hot, like when Anderson Silva was hot, how good was that? Was that better than anything that ever existed? Because I think it might have been. That's what I look at when I look at pound for pound best. The argument is John Jones has had some really close fights. He's had split decision fights that he won. He had a lot of people thought that some of his fights could have easily gone to Dominic Reyes easily.

2:32:40I would not have been mad at that. I might go back and watch it again and decide Dominic Reyes won that fight. But there's those 10, 9 rounds. They're like, I don't know. You could say 10, 9, John or 10, 9 Dominic. Either way, you've lost the title or you've won the title back. It's real weird. Makachev is so fucking good. He's so fucking good that he headkicked Alexander Volkanovsky in the rematch. He submits everybody, submitted Dustin Porje. He's a fucking monster. When he gets guys on the ground, he just crushes them and you could argue that he is dealing with a deeper talent pool. His weight class is, in my opinion, the most talent -rich weight pool in the sport, 155 pounds.

2:33:24155 pounds is filled with assassins. 205 pounds is not. 265 is definitely not. It's the giant difference. So we talked about it a while since those divisions were really heated with depth. Like back to, like, 25, like, heavy especially. They used to be like the fucking division to watch. Imagine though if Pereira was coming up when John Jones was the champion, that would be exciting. That would be exciting. Pereira is a different cat man. He said, did you hear what Mark Goddard said to me in the fight? After he fought Khalil around tree, Mark Goddard came up to me and goes, mate, the sound it makes when he hits them is ungodly.

2:34:08Because I've been doing this for 20 years. He goes, the sound he makes is just different. It's ungodly. He just kept saying that. He wanted to make a point to say this to me. He came up to me like immediately when I got into the octagon. He's like, the sound is ungodly. His power is so different. It's so, do you know like Francis hit that punch pad and he got like a hundred and twenty seven or whatever Pereira got one ninety. Oh yeah that one ninety. Yeah, it's crazy. That is with a kick. The highest I got was like one fifty seven. Some guy got like one ninety with a kick. We're pretty impressive.

2:34:45I think some guy might have broken two hundred with a kick. So Moitai guy. Pereira did one ninety with a punch with a punch. Yeah. And it was after training. He just wallops this fucker thing. And they come out of nowhere like there's not really a. There's no call. Yeah, there's no tell and he doesn't have to hit you full power because he has so much power like those leg kicks that he fucks everybody with. There's no turn of the hips at all. He's just slapping you with and all of a sudden you can't walk well. And then he's like marching you down and it just takes one shot. His power is so crazy different than anybody else's because everybody gets hit on the chin.

2:35:23But when you get hit on the chin by that guy it's like you can't get hit. You get hit. It's like everything is just like you're like what the fuck you see in their face. Yeah, I remember the first time I was here we were talking about how this guy Pereira is the only one who's ever beat out of Sania and he said it's like this fucking assassin. We were like oh that's you know interesting timeline. Didn't know it would transpire until like this degree of success where not only does he beat him but then he like switches divisions fucking smokes that division too. It's crazy. Yeah dominated two divisions.

2:35:55And the only reason why he didn't stay at light heavyweight or middleweight rather he's literally killing himself to get to 185. Yeah. And I think that likely contributed to the KO too. Like Addison you landed a perfect right hand. That right hand is going to and the timing the way he did it like leaning up against the cage and just looked for the opening and just caught him coming in bang drop them hitting with the left foot put the arrows into him when he's down. That KO was perfect but you got to wonder like how much of his inability like you went completely unconscious. How much of that is because of the drain the dehydration because we know that the brain takes longer to rehydrate than the muscle tissue.

2:36:37Yeah. So like they have some impact for sure. Yeah. Fighters always say that it impacts their ability to take a punch. They talk about it like openly like I took punches better when I went up to 55. Like a good example is Olivera. Olivera was like notorious for kind of like folding at 45. He goes up to 55 and he becomes unstoppable. Yeah. No. I'm surprised he ever sucked down to that to begin with. He's so big that he was getting making 185 and then fighting at 226. That's even more aggressive than the cost of cuts I think. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's got the most aggressive he had the most aggressive weight cut.

2:37:17Now it's pretty marginal. Now I think he gets into the low 220's like 222 and then he cuts 15. Not that bad for a big guy with a lot of muscle. Dude, cost that needs to go back to brawling. He used to be so exciting and now it's just kind of like has different strategies each time and then I don't know. It just doesn't seem to be working out. It's hard to know what happens to a guy when he gets really owned. Yeah. Because that's the thing. How do you think he's like psychologically just like? I don't think he's the same guy. Like that's the guy who walked down Yo -Wel Romero and we're like, oh my god, Yo -Wel Romero met a bigger freak than him.

2:37:52Because regardless of whether or not you think cost is juicy, that guy's got extraordinary genetics. You know, I mean, that's why he's such a beautiful man. Perfect features. Like incredible frame. Miss frames incredible. And whether or not he's juicy, the reality is the guy has insane genetics and he was a fucking warrior, especially in that Yo -Wel Romero fight. Yo -Wel's terrifying to everybody and cost to just walked him down and beat his ass and that was not a close fight. It was primarily a stand -up fight, which is where Yo -Wel's the most scary and cost it was in no danger. He beat the shit out of Yo -Wel Romero.

2:38:27But then he thought a guy was just way more slick. And Adesanya just was piecing him up in a way where he couldn't respond. He just he was making, he was what he was doing was a very effective strategy on people that were in his skillful as Adesanya. But that strategy, Adesanya was easily exploiting. He was like exploiting with distance and with faints and distant management and chopping at the legs and just he had him all fucked up by the end of the first round. He was realizing I can't touch this guy and he keeps hitting me. And when he would touch Izzy, Izzy would be rolling with the punches or he blocked the kick and just move away from it as he's getting hit and then just keep stabbing at him from a distance.

2:39:09And it was just he was too good. That's Izzy in his prime when he was at the top of the food chain. And at that moment, he felt he thought the best Israel Adesanya that's ever been. And that's like we were talking about like how good does a guy compete in that one that this gap of a couple of years or three years where he's just it is prime. I think that was what it was. That was Izzy in his prime, which is one of the greatest fires of all time against Paul Costa who just didn't have the answers to that. And once you've been bested like that and a guy dry humps you when you're down. He beats your ass, TKOs you and then humps you.

2:39:46You just like I thought I was the man. So then he has all these doubts and then he goes into these, the next fights he missed weight for one fight and fought at 205. Remember when he fought um who the fuck did he fight? Uh God damn it, Marvin Vittori. He fought Marvin Vittori and they were supposed to fight at 185 and they fought at like 205 and he still look like he was out of shape. Yeah. He looked like he's mentally all fucked up from that fight. Yeah, I can imagine the downward spiral that you would have to try and contend with as well after you like go from top rank to I think he's lost like three in a row.

2:40:22It's crazy. I'd like to see him get back into form but I don't know if he can anymore. You know, I don't know if you're psychologically the same guy. Did you watch CGI? What is that? The Craig Jones invitation. Oh yeah, I was thinking what does CGI stand for? Yeah, yeah, I watched it. Yeah, I watched it. Yeah. What do you think? Well, I think it's great that these guys are getting a lot of money. I think that's awesome. Yeah. I think it's kind of crazy. They decided to compete against Abu Dhabi in the same weekend. I thought that was kind of nuts. But I guess if you want to be controversial and Craig is certainly controversial and you want to get a lot of attention, it got a lot of attention and then of course the money.

2:41:02I mean, he came into the studio with $3 million in cash. Was it three? Yeah, wasn't it? It was one million. That was one million. Okay. But he gave it. But they gave out $3 billion. Right? So three different divisions got a million dollars. So he brought in a million dollars in a duffle bag, which I've never seen it before. It's crazy to look at. No, yeah, it's not easy. Yeah. You know, it's fun. Craig's fun. It's a funny guy. He's fucking hilarious. He's the most hilarious guy in Jiu -Jitsu. He's like really silly. He's very self -deprecating and he's super skillful. I mean, his Jiu -Jitsu is like second best in the world.

2:41:36He always talks about it. What's the way he named his team the B team. Yeah. He's not going to beat Gordon. You know, Gordon is a freak and Gordon is like a real psychopath. Like Gordon trains every day of the week. Gordon vs. Nicky Rod. Who wins? Gordon. No question. Yeah, Gordon's better. He's just better. Nicky Rod might get to Gordon's level one day. I mean, but if they're not training together, I don't know if he will. You know, I don't know if he's training with... Look, he's beat him every time they've faced him. Yeah. And Nicky did catch him in a foot lock, but Gordon's like, I'd break my foot.

2:42:08I'm still going to win. Yeah. And he submitted him easily in Abu Dhabi. And when they had their second match, you know, Gordon was alleging he was greasy. Like, he was difficult to get a hold of. And that's been something that people have said about Nicky before. But it might be totally food, huh? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what's going on, but I know guys did that. I know guys would take baths. This was in the early days like the pride days. They would lay in a bathtub filled with baby oil. So they would lay in this bathtub with water and like fucking gallons of like P Diddy style. P Diddy style fucking will like just supplies of baby oil in that water.

2:42:51And they'd bathe in it. Then they would wash themselves off, drive themselves off. And then to the touch, their skin would not feel like oil at all until they start sweating. And then when they start sweating, they would be like a fish. Just you just couldn't grab them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was the thing that it was alleged that certain strikers from Brazil used to do before they fought. And guys just could not get a hold of them. They would just be so slippery. You couldn't take them down. If you take them down, you couldn't hold them down. You just slip right out of your hands like a bar. So.

2:43:20And how would you avoid? Do they screen for that somehow? You have to eat or like how's that work? The problem is what I'm saying, is that you could oil your skin up and then wash it. And there would still be in your pores. And you wouldn't even be able to detect as long as you were dry, they would rub you with like a cloth or something like, no, there's nothing on it's skin. Like what unless they have like baby oil detection wipes that you then send to a laboratory to find out this person put baby oil on. So are you never allowed to put baby oil on or are you only allowed to put baby oil on until the week of the fight?

2:43:55Like when when are we going to say no baby oil ever for a person? What if they like baby oil? What if they like to, you know, what if they like cocoa butter? What would it? It's so it's weird. Yeah. And it's weird. And so the the solution to that is everybody has to wear long sleeve rash guards and spats. That's the solution. And that's what they should do. So the best way to stop these greasers is you put them in leggings leggings and tights simple. Yeah, remember that was like a bit of a controversy at least in early UFC. It was like, oh yeah. Yeah. I know guys greased. I 100 % I can tell you 100 % guys greased even like between rounds.

2:44:34The two. I know one guy who didn't just grease. He put VIX VAPO rub all over his chest. And then he would grab guys and pull their head into his chest. So you'd be getting sweat and VIX VAPO rub in your eyes and you'd be kneeing you in the face. That's fucking crazy. Crazy. Yeah. Well, when they were testing for things, do you see a lot of dirty shit? Yeah. I heard another story. I can't substantiate. I will say no names. But a guy allegedly gave blood to make weight. So he not didn't get blood, but had blood removed from his body and chilled in his room so he can make weight and then went back up to his room and got that blood put back in his body after his body probably, you know, resupplied itself with a significant amount of it depending on how much time it is between the fact that we draw the blood.

2:45:25I don't know how long how much time you, but you could think about like how much weight blood is. Yeah. And if you can get like, you know, how much can you take while you're still conscious? I don't know. But you take these bags of blood and keep them chilled and then let your body refill and repuliferate with blood and then go back into the room and now your blood doping with your own blood. Totally undetectable. And you made weight with blood cutting. Yeah. And that's like another micro dose vector that people use still to this day. Blood, blood, blood transfusions. Well, that's, like there's probably multiple factors where you're not allowed to get IVs and that might be one of them, you know.

2:46:03Yeah, but it's like detecting that as always just through your data, but they have to assess or they assess for like plastics in your bloodstream, which you can get around just by storage technique. Right. Plastics in your bloodstream. Would you get around that if you injected it with a glass vial and a needle as opposed to like a bag? Some people are like freezing as opposed to just like storing it in liquid format and then whatever you're storing it in, it can all make a difference in terms of like freezing it. Yeah. Like you can freeze your blood and then put it back in. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. Like thought I don't obviously.

2:46:40But how weird is that? Super weird. How long is your blood good for? That's a good question, but I would imagine longer if you're freezing it. Jesus Christ. The things people do just to get a little bit of an advantage. Yeah, but it works, man. I guess. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like at least of the doping methods, like one of the least easy to detect because there's no like substance that is stimulating anything. It's just your own blood that was supposed to be there. Right. So the only way they'd be able to detect is to detect whether or not you've had an IV. Yeah. Well, it would be like they'd look at your biological passport data and see a unusual elevation of hemoglobin, hematocrit, probably around an event.

2:47:24And you would also see a disproportionate suppression of reticulocytes, which are like immature red blood cells. Yeah. Because if your body has similar to testosterone, if you administer it, you've stopped producing naturally. So if you put in exogenous blood, you're going to suppress the natural production of red blood cells because you have an adequate supply. So you would have a disproportionate ratio between like blood cells, oxygen, care, and capacity markers, and immature blood cells. And it's like, why is this differential? So significant, all of a sudden, and it might flag in a typical finding and get further scrutiny.

2:48:00And yeah, with blood transfusions, because there's no way to really prove anything, oftentimes penalizations occur based on like, it looks so fucked up that we have to penalize you because we assumed you did it. Like how would they detect that? Like I think it's just such an aberrant finding that's different from everything you've ever showed in your data that you must have cheated. Oh, right. So the biological passport. Yeah, because it's like with other compounds like testosterone, you need to have like, couldn't confirmation via isotope ratio, mass -back, or whatever. But with blood, it's like, what did you do?

2:48:37There's no compound to prove was or wasn't there. It's just like the blood. But it is illegal, right? So you'd have a nurse that can keep their mouth shut? Or a significant other who is a nurse or a man with different things. And some of this stuff isn't like hard to really learn either. Like it's actually a pretty good profession is learning how to take like some people do phlebotomy as like a low barrier to entry, high paying job. So like being somebody who takes blood is like, there's not much of a requirement from like credentials to be able to do. And it pays well per hour. Yeah. And if you had a family member who's a phlebotomist and they could hook that up.

2:49:21Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What are the other different ways that they can get it? Like how rock solid is like, let's forget about drug sport with what they have now. But the usada protocol that they were using before. How what are the best ways to get around that? Well, because they weren't actually testing almost at all for EPO and GH. What percentage were they testing for it? You probably have to ask Hunter to confirm, but my understanding was like, best case scenario, you were getting EPO testative somebody like reported you as like, you know, there's a bunch of people trying to out you as a cheater.

2:50:00And again, is this a finance thing? Is this a? I think it was a lot finance and time intensive. Because some of this testing is not as rudimentary and crude as like, you know, just detection of synthetic steroids in your urine. If they actually like manually do work to like, combust down and assess the ratio. And there's like nuance in interpreting this stuff too. Because a lot of times you will have an expert who has a different opinion than another expert in terms of if it looks weird. So you have to like bring in multiple opinions to maybe of experts who then kind of come to a consolidated answer on did you cheat or not?

2:50:38And it gets pretty complicated. So doing this at scale on a sport that has no off season with people globally competing. Right. Pretty fucking costly for sure to do properly. Well, the MMA conspiracy theorists, they always point to like people doing their camps and like far away lands. Like what a good way of cheat. You know, because if you want to do a camp in Dagestan, like how many times you saw to go into Dagestan? Yeah. And what happens to those guys when they get over there and they get smacked up by those bearded dudes. Yeah. Imagine telling those guys wake up at six o 'clock in the morning.

2:51:14Yeah. They'll feed you their goats. Yeah. What are you talking about? Fuck you. Come back tomorrow. Yeah. Fuck you. Yeah. No, it's also they probably know when you're there. Yeah. They probably got that town wired. There's absolutely logistical problems that lead to lower barriers for certain people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like do you camp in Thailand, son? Yeah. For sure. You got a wonder. Like I would like to see like what's the data on people that do their camp in Thailand? How often are they tested? First of the guy who's got a camp in Iowa. And even like the rigor of the person who's hired to do the testing.

2:51:52Because it's like how you know, screw it is whoever you're outsourcing your hiring in that area too. Like, you know, they could be like a local who is, you know, like pledge allegiance to that fucking right, you know, whatever. So I don't know, man. It's tough for sure because there's no way to like truly bullet proof it, I think, but at least the UFC developments as a recent, they've confirmed they're doing like isotoparatio mass spec and actually doing some of the higher level testing for bioidenticals that could catch the microdose saying and the things that are very difficult to detect. Stuff is still going to squeeze through for sure, but it's going to be better than it was where they were either not doing it or then letting letting people do it maybe and then asking them to be fucking snitches for them.

2:52:41It used to be back in the day that there was always rumors of like big camps that would hire scientists and that, you know, they would figure out ways around. Dude, that is a growing profession. Is it? Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's like so many pharmacology nerds who are like, like I've even been asked to help people in the Olympics before. Rehaling. Yeah. Wow. Because you're a pharmacological nerd. And so these, these people ask you to cheat for them. To help them cheat. Yeah. Which is also a criminal offense, my understanding, dude. There's actually a law now. It's like the Rod Chankov actor or something.

2:53:21Oh, wow. So if you like help somebody, you're also doing a crime. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, so, you know, obviously not worth doing for me. Obviously never did it, but. Well, especially something like the Olympics, like there's no money in it. You know, they get any money. Which is crazy. Yeah. Crazy. It's like pure pride and for winning a medal. It's pure exploitation. That's what it is. Because it's not like there's no money. Like why are you making all the money? Well, these people are noble. They don't want to get paid. Like no, you're just not paying them. They don't even know how much money there was because in 1936, there was no money.

2:53:56All right. There was no sponsors. There's no nothing. Yeah. Remember, there was no TV. That's it. Okay. The bill makes it unlawful to knowingly influence or attempt to conspire to influence a major international sports competition by use of prohibited substance or prohibited method. A violator is subject to criminal penalties of fine prison term of up to 10 years or both in a mandatory restitution. Huh. Yeah. Interesting. So yeah, there's definitely and when you hear about stuff like this too, it's like there's always the thought in the back of your mind as a competitor. What are people doing that I'm not and curiosities for eggs?

2:54:33What do you think is the answer? What's like like the non ideological when you look at it objectively, so you know what, what we should be doing is doing everything that works. Or what we should be doing is have the most insane testing that everybody has to be 100 % natural, no offense or butts, and there's no cheating. That's really hard because I too have the same questions you had of the enhanced games where it's like, oh, we're going to have, you know, medical assessments that ensure safety and blah, blah, blah. But it's like if you're going full board, it's impossible to be healthy. And say yeah.

2:55:09Yeah. So like as much as you could argue, it's probably better to not be using Frankenstein designer drugs or doing weird methods to get around cheating. The alternative is not necessarily like far superior in terms of health because if I'm allowed to use a gram of test, you know, like I'm not going to stop it 200 migs, you know, like I'm going to go full, full fucking sauce to the tit. So yeah, if you can get a physiological benefit of being on trend and just fucking completely roided out of your mind. Yeah, become like a fucking dope, a minergic psycho and just like, you know, you will absolutely take that risk, regardless of what it does to you.

2:55:47Yeah, especially if you're trying to win, right? If people are willing to cheat when it's really dangerous, you could lose the medal, you can get outed and it's publicly shame like Ben Johnson. Or you don't have to worry about that because they're allowing you to, but they would like you to take like a sustainable dough and you're like, fuck you with your sustainable. I'm trying to be number one, bitch. Yeah. And like all I love the idea of the enhanced games, by the way, but it's like at least my concern would be what happens when you put up no guardrails. And then alternatively, if there are guardrails, now it's set up for corruption at the medical provider level who's assessing what you're healthy enough to do.

2:56:25And like, you know, are you going in to get your blood drawn at the trough point after injections where things look like they're half out of your system versus before? Like it's almost like a new level of doping that would be introduced. Right. Right. So and I'm sure they're very well -spoken, eloquent guys who are on top of that stuff. And I'm sure have answers to that. Or you know, have some idea of what they're going to do. But like those would be my questions as to and I'm not saying it needs to be safe. Right. You know, it might just come down to accepting that this is the fucking chemical warfare games.

2:57:01Right. Yeah. What's there's nothing wrong with that if you're going to expose yourself to that rest people do that bodybuilding all the time. That's like literally what bodybuilding is. Yeah. Yeah. That's what's crazy, right? Bodybuilding's huge sport is not possible without illegal drugs. And there's no Rodchenkov act for bodybuilding either. So there's like literal, the guru stuff is crazy in bodybuilding. Well, how do they get away with it since it's completely illegal? Uh, well, I mean, like, obviously you're going to jail. If I'm a guy who's arresting people who are on steroids, I go to the Mr.

2:57:32Olympia. I'm like, you're on jail. Yeah. Yeah. Right. You'd think if you wanted to just like, hit your quota for the you just show up to the Olympia expo and just be like, all of you. Everybody does the fucking car. Getting the patty wagons. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, man. That's, uh, how did you get it? When it comes to possession in the states and like housecurtain, just they are on anabolic, I think it's mostly if you're importing mass amounts, they will flag you because you're likely a distributor at that point. Okay. So if it's like personal amounts, typically you would buy it domestically to not like red flag yourself because I think in in the mail, you can't even have your mail get checked if it's domestic.

2:58:11So if you are buying from, you know, the other side of the country, no one would know that you were sent anything. It's only if you're buying like growth hormone from China or something. Oh, and you have a flag and you have enough kits that happen to get flagged in customs. Then they keep a note on your record of this guy might be doing something. So he might be a steroid dealer. Yeah. And then the Lupsting operations and trying to figure out who's actually distributing because they have resource allocation bandwidth problems too. So they have to go after the big fish. Right. So do guys go to Mexico and bring them across the board?

2:58:45No, no, they're used to. Oh, yeah, back in the day. Yeah. People like smugled up their ass to get it there. Geez. Christ. Yeah. Imagine taking trend that was in a guy's asshole. It Dan Bills Aaron used to he talked about how when he was in, uh, uh, bud, he would like go with his buddies to get gear from Mexico and then they'd smuggle it up their asses back into the US. It's the bottle broke. It's fucking yikes. But whole glass cuts, buddy. I watched that in a video. It's called one guy one cup. Oh, yeah. Have you ever seen that one? No. I was back in the lively. I saw the OG variants of that and never would I.

2:59:23I can't watch another one. One guy one cup is way more horrifying. This guy sticks a mason jar up his asshole and it breaks. I think it's a mason jar. It's some kind of a jar up his asshole and it breaks and it just chunks of broken glass and blood fall onto the ground as he squat. It's horrible. But I watched it multiple times. There's a lot of crazy people in this world. Yeah. Do you think that I, I'm up the opinion. Let me just say what I think. I think that most substances should be legal and I think people should be able to figure out what's good and what's bad. There's a lot of things that are legal.

2:59:57Adderall's legal. I don't take Adderall. You know, I'm 90 on 9 % sure I have ADHD. I don't even know what it is. I don't know. It's real. I think it's probably a superpower. But if I went to a doctor and I was complaining about I can't focus on any one thing. I'm all over the place. They probably give me some and that would have legal stimulants. I don't think it's probably think it's not good for you. So I don't take it. But I could, right? Why is that legal and cocaine is not? Like why is this legal and that's not? Why is whiskey legal and marijuana is not? This doesn't make any sense to me.

3:00:29Why is Xanx legal, psilocybin is not? Like what are we doing? Who gets to decide? Well, you could argue that all that's the reason why clinical trials exist, which assess safety profiles of these drugs and they wouldn't make it through otherwise. But obviously we've seen that that's not. Once you get financial interest involved, it's kind of hard to overlook that a lot of shit makes it through that probably shouldn't have. And stuff that maybe should have made it through, it didn't make it through. So I'm over the opinion that you should be able to take what you want and be educated about it hopefully first.

3:01:02It's tough though, because it's like if you have a guy who's like, I don't know, manic and he has access to like meth and like pharmac grade meth at that or something. Which it actually exists too. And you end up with like a hitler or something. Yeah. Yeah. The trend thing is that the worst one psychologically? From animal steroids, I would say probably that and then maybe secondary. You know, some people could argue halo testin is a drug that supposedly Mike Tyson was using when he bit the vendor Holyfield. Yeah. And it makes you like fucking short term acutely extremely angry. What how did you hear that he was using that?

3:01:43I don't remember exactly. I think it was like, he didn't test positive for it. I think it was just like highly room like a very prevalent rumor. But I for they probably didn't test for it though either right now. It was back then. It was really easy to get around like oral steroid detection back then as well if they were even testing for it. But you know, if they were testing back then. Yeah. The trend is the worst offender for your psychological state. Not just because the drug is bad, but it also ruins your sleep. So you get like trend cough I mentioned, but trend sweats is another one where it almost induces like a menopause like hot flash sweating in your sleep and you wake up just fucking drenched.

3:02:26And it like really fucks up your sleep and it makes you hyperparanoid as well, which is no good because even though you're this jacked, sometimes confident guy others you're like you're unreasonably insecure and you like a very common outcome is for guys to think their girlfriends are cheating on just out of nowhere by being on trend. Yeah. And they end up becoming you know, oddly behaving sexual deviancy is also a very common. I've heard that. Yeah. Yeah on trend. And it's thought to be the progestogenic activity because it's derived from Nandrallone which is a progesterone receptor agonist as well.

3:03:08And progesterone is thought to be very implicated in gay sexual tendencies as you grow up if you had a heightened exposure to progesterone in utero and highly dopamine allergic drug as well, which in excess can cause like really weird sexual deviancy as well. And yeah, it's like really fucking potent and good at what it does. It builds lean mass and it's like a really dry compound. It doesn't make you watery. Also has a unique anti -cada ballic effect so you don't in a deficit you keep muscle and sometimes even grow while you're cutting. And it's not like steroids don't all do that to some degree more or less but this drug is like uniquely potent in its anti -cada ballic action to where you could be like extremely nutrient deprived and still hold on to a lot of your muscle.

3:03:59Wow. And because it's so good at making you extremely strong too without an excess of body weight, it's like highly sought after in many sports because you don't have to worry about jumping up in weight class while you're getting the strength increase. That is humongous. Wow. Yeah. So it was one of the drugs that was used in the Dutchist cocktail, which is what Rod Chancov would have at his athletes swish around in their mouth. Oh really? Yeah, it was absorbed up beautifully. So it was like it was almost like the equivalent of IVing the drug right into your bloodstream. You would swish around your mouth in this alcohol and it would absorb beautifully into the bloodstream immediately.

3:04:38So you wouldn't have to actually have it go into your stomach and then get processed through your first pass metabolism so you could get into out of your system way faster. Wow. Wow. So why is that one good for fighters? I would think that like getting through emotional though. Yeah, you could argue that the emotional instability is not good. Yeah, but paranoia makes you very aggressive. The psychoactive effects in the gym can be very helpful for training and stress resilience. And some people it's not everyone who becomes paranoid on it. It's highly individual dependent. Some people you will often hear people say, oh, people over blow the side effects of trends.

3:05:19Not that bad. And then other people who will say it ruined their life. So it's highly individual dependent like any drug. But it's very good at making you extremely fucking strong without blowing you up with water retention and staving off loss of tissue while weight cutting as well. There's another factor that comes with steroid users and that's the addiction to the feeling of being on steroids. Yeah, because once they get off steroids and they don't feel like Superman anymore, they get real weirded out. Yeah. And they want to get back on again. I've seen that. Oh, yeah, dude. It's the thing that will often kill people is the desire to maintain these huge sizes and perpetuity too.

3:06:01Because it's like a ultimately steroid use often stems from like body image insecurity. So if you achieve the outcome you sought with this thing to think that you're going to be a confident person after you've lost the 30, 40 pounds of lean that you gained. Right. You were already probably somewhat mentally not perfect to begin with. Except Dorian Yates. Oh, yeah. But he's a unique cat. He's lost all the way. It looks like a normal athlete now. Yeah, he's healthy. Yeah, he had me on his podcast this year and he said, anytime he's done seminars and people ask if he misses being a mass monster, he says they're more upset about it than I am.

3:06:44But he has a unique perspective on it, which is really cool to see. He's very intelligent. Yeah, very calm and you know, just the way he approaches things. But God damn dude, when that guy was getting after it, he was he was one of the original freaks where one of the first guys were just like what like that's what they're pushing it to now. Yeah, he left humanity behind. Dude, he was so big. He was ridiculous. If you think about what he looked like versus what Arnold looked like just a couple of decades earlier. Oh, night and day. Yeah, you could argue he was like the catalyst almost to a heightened standard of amount of muscle you need to be competitive.

3:07:23I mean, he was so big. He blew his bicep out and competed in one with a torn bicep. Yeah. Yeah. Well, like a hole in his arm. Yeah, that's fucked up. When you get that big and you have to like worry about exploding your fucking muscle every workout because you're so strong. And that's what you need the lift to get the stimulus. Like that's crazy stuff. Well, Ronnie Coleman's the crazy example of the price you pay for that. Like that guy's all fucked up now. Yeah, yeah, it makes you wonder if he would have been the bodybuilder. He was if he just trained higher volume and like higher reps less weight.

3:07:57Yeah, because literature now suggests that you don't need to necessarily train like that. Look at the difference in the two of them. Yeah, it's Arnold on the left and Dorian on the right. Dorian's twice the size. Yeah, it's fucking back, dude. That's crazy. That back isn't not that Arnold isn't insane. He was fucked pretty insane. I actually think Arnold looks better. Yeah, he's more aesthetic for sure. Oh, look at his back. Look at Dorian. He's back. Look at Ronnie Coleman's back. Yeah. Jesus, guys, for huge Ronnie Coleman was crazy. But Dorian was like weirdly thick. Look, look how thick his fucking muscles are, man.

3:08:33It's just not first of all judging guys that are that big. Good luck. I don't get it. They all look awesome. They all look crazy. There's even harder judging a bikini show. So there's different classes at the Olympia, including women's bikini. And there's like a few poses. They'll pull up a comparison of the women's Olympia for bikini. When is the bikini versus regular Olympia? Well, it's just like the best bikini competitors against each other for the Olympia crown of bikini category. What's the bikini category versus the regular Miss Olympia category? Miss Olympia is like bodybuilding. Oh, this is in bodybuilding?

3:09:11Well, it's like a form of bodybuilding, but it's not the actual category. Right. This is women who still look feminine. So like, right? Put it this way with men. There's different categories. There's open men's bodybuilding, classic physique and men's physique. And each of them has like an incremental noticeable difference in the amount of muscle you need to be competitive. And in women, similar differences exist in categories where they have women's bikini, wellness, something else. And then bodybuilding is the one where you can pretty much need to be on like male level steroids to be competitive.

3:09:45And this is a reality of female bodybuilding. That a lot of female bodybuilders look, I know female jujitsu competitors that take steroids, which is that's crazy. There's not even any money in that. You're juicing yourself up. But if you want to get that lean and maintain that much muscle as a woman, like, what do they take? Well, for bikini, you might be able to do it naturally. All but most of them are probably still taking a little bit something, but it's not like masculineizing. There's a lot of things they can take that are natural or over the counter or like super microdose to mount a vanibolics that don't cause masculineization.

3:10:20But above that, the thresholds for categories above that are like, if you go to women's bodybuilding, it looks like you remember it where it's, you know, dudes with wigs on basically almost. I mean, they're trans men basically. Yeah, like based on their hormone profile, they are more male than you and I probably. Whoa. God, look at that lady. That's crazy. Is she Miss Olympia? She number one. That's women's physique too. That's not women's bodybuilding. What? Yeah. So this is like a different category that's less muscle than bodybuilding.

3:10:59So what's women's bodybuilding? That lady? Probably. Who's Miss Olympia? Did they still have women's bodybuilding? I think they do.

3:11:13Yeah, that might be it. Look at that lady down the lower left hand, which uses those ladies are huge. Oh my goodness. That's got to be it. Those are dudes. That's a dude's body like size wise. Yeah. Not saying you're a dude, ladies. Yeah. Don't hurt me. By the way, to, you know, more power to anybody who wants to do whatever they want. It's just like the reality of the exposure to these hormones is they are masculineizing and you can blame Biden for that. Wow. Yeah. Because he stopped the development of them and by now we probably have non -masculinizing drugs that work as well as the ones that make you a dude.

3:11:46Oh my God. Have you ever thought about bailing out of Canada? Dude, I would love to. I've considered it, but there's weird stuff around like unrealized capital gains and exit taxes and shit that basically traps you there. Really? Yeah. So like I could physically be present in the states and live here maybe for six months of a year, but until I get out of the system fully, you gotta like pay the paper on every company you've ever built, even if you don't have the money from it because you never sold it. There's gains that were made in Canada, the value of it, they have to pay on. It's like, how do you pay for it?

3:12:22I don't have any fucking cash because it's all the company. So they make it very difficult to leave the country? Yeah. Yeah. And maybe that changes with Pierre, I don't know, but like one of the main problems with the economy is there's no incentive for business owners that are doing well to stay. Like everything is structured around. How do I get around this fucking system? Not how do I stay here? So like I know personally every friend I have a successful has either already left or has tried to find a way to leave. Actually, I know one person who hasn't, but he's like really entrenched in the system and like it would be impossible to one wind at this point.

3:13:01So I don't know how much of it is he actually wants to be there or like it's a beautiful place to live in British Columbia for example, but like yeah, it's fucking cost of living is obscene and the tax. Some kids were doing a TikTok with food at a Canadian supermarket like a bunch of chicken wings and how much it was. Oh, the dollar too is horrible. It's like a dollar every dollar in US currency equates to 140 Canadian. Yeah, so your dollar goes super far in Canada. And then 40 Jesus. And then to buy like, I don't know a shitty shack fucking house that's not even a house in Vancouver. It's like millions of dollars.

3:13:45Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think the cost of living is only exceeded maybe in real estate by like New York maybe. Wow. Yeah. It's like one of the worst offenders on the planet for cost of a home. So basically back in the day, our parents, one of the main ways to become financially stable was getting early on a property and build equity in it and eventually you'd have a, you know, something that accrued in so much value from since you got it that like that's your main nest egg or whatever. Yeah. Nowadays it's not even possible to afford the lowest threshold of a mortgage on like a place that's not even nice.

3:14:32So you have like family staying in like 500 square foot apartments with big families because they can't afford anything. It says impossibly unaffordable housing report ranks Vancouver third most expensive in the world. Yeah. Hong Kong and Sydney. They're only. Wow. Sydney. That's interesting. Huh. I would never suspect that Sydney, Australia to be that expensive. That's not. Yeah. Oh, listen, brother. Anything else you want to talk about for bail out of here? I think it was a good one. Yeah. Yeah. It was fun. Yeah. Thanks for having me. I appreciate you. What's that, Jamie? Well, Miss Olympia wellness we missed out on.

3:15:07What's that? A focus on the lower body. What? Oh, butts. Yeah. Top half doesn't. Oh, yeah. So I was going to say half doesn't matter for real. Yeah. Shut the fuck up. Why are they standing freight? Face forward. Let's see them glutes. It's definitely matters, but not as much as I focus. Yeah. So anyway, watching the posing you were saying it's hard to judge men's bodybuilding with women. It's at least with the bikini category, especially their hair is really long and they have extensions too to make it look even longer. So when they turn around, basically the only thing you can judge is like, ask down essentially because their whole back is covered by hair.

3:15:45Oh, that's weird. Yeah. So it's like a pageant for your butt. I'm all in. No, I could, by the way, like any bikini competitors probably fucking furious with that statement. There's absolute. Well, they're on trend. They're going to get angry probably. But like, they're judged on other things, but that's the main factor. Yeah. Okay. All right, man. Well, been a lot of fun. More plates, more plates, more dates on YouTube. What is your website? Yeah, more plates, more dates. And anything else?