#2260 - Lex Fridman

30:23I think the right thing to do is to go to whether it's Switzerland or Turk, Istanbul or Minsk And like the biggest thing for me would be literally the three of them set together. I think I trust in Trump's negotiation ability and the care and the stick of the United States military and the United States economy for being able to control oil prices, being able to control trade, with tariffs, being able to threaten military force and funding and so on, plus sanctions, all of this. You can roll in with that carrot and steak implied or implicit or explicit and just sit at the table and talk like human beings and show each other respect.

31:18You know, it's one of the things that actually COVID did. There's something that happens where remote communication just does not it like the silly thing about this podcast being in person, right? There's a real power there everything else is you know like fucking with a condom. Yeah, you have to show up. It's part of the reason I'm jerking off with a condom on jerking off with a condom on for the metaphor. Yeah, it's part of the reason I wanted to talk to to President Zelensky in Russian, which I speak fluently. And he speaks fluently. It's his primary language. For people who seem to misunderstand this on the Internet, he spoke Russian his whole life.

32:00That's his main language. He speaks with his wife, with his whole staff, with all of this, this is his language. It's just that now the Ukrainian language has become a symbol of independence. So they're fighting for their independence, for their sovereignty. I understand it. but you know, so he spoke with you in Ukrainian? He kept going back and forth. But yeah, most of the powerful things were said in Ukrainian. So I'm listening to an interpreter through a shitty headset. The interpreter's not, forgive me, to the interpreter, it was not very good. He's delayed, there's noise. God, but wouldn't it make more sense if he spoke to you in a language that you understand?

32:36Yeah, this would really try. But this is a man once again. Yeah. He's the leader of a nation at a time of war. and he's not stylistically who he is, like he's all in. This is like a brave hard type character. Playoffs, we're talking about playoffs. You bet we are. Get in on the action with Draft King Sportsbook an official sports betting partner of the NFL. Scoring touchdowns is key to winning the playoffs and you can score big by betting on them at Draft Kings. The number one place to bet touchdowns. Ready to place your bet? Try betting on something simple like a player to score six. Go to DraftKing Sportsbook app and make your pick.

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34:01Void and Ontario. Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. four additional terms and responsible gaming resources cdkng dot co -slash audio uh... which is so crazy because you start as careers of comedian right i mean this you never know you never know who the who the leaders are this step up i think you know a lot of people sort of say that it's trivial that he stayed in key of one of the russian military invaded to me it's not trivial trivial trivial at all i think that's a truly heroic act to stay when you know when nobody knows what's going to happen and all the experts are saying Kiev is going to be taken to stay as a leader in that same place where you were the night before like working and not flee when everybody the CIA everybody's telling you to flee to stay there like a bad motherfucker actually go outside and film yourself speaking to the nation that we're going to win this or go out to hold strong.

35:03That's an insane thing to do. And maybe it does require like, it's a Trump level insanity, right? It's similar to me to the Trump standing up when there's still bullets flying and saying fight, fight, fight. That's a, where does that come from? I don't know. But most people don't have that. It's nice when it was refreshing. It was was refreshing when you see that. Like holy fuck, yes. We want that guy. And he really united in a nation. Here the nation was fractioning. He was actually not popular at all up to that war. Because the policies he was trying were not working. What policy specifically?

35:43So his, so the stuff that was working, I don't know the internals of the Ukrainian politics that well. But so he won in 2019, based on his desire to fight corruption and to modernize Ukrainian digital system, which he did very successfully. It's actually super interesting. You can have an app called DIA, which your passport, all your identifications all apified, which I don't understand why the United States doesn't have that. You can like update your license. You can get your license instantly. certainly. So it's like the 21st century version of what government should work like. The reason they did that is it's a way to fight corruption.

36:28It's a way that whenever you have paperwork, there's a place for corruption to see it. So he was very serious about fighting corruption. And that's the other thing is there is corruption in Ukraine.

36:47There's not less now than before? Well, I see I want to be careful here because I don't, like it's very difficult to know. The perception, there's a serious concern about corruption. In a time of war, there's always going to be more corruption. The United States spent $9 trillion on the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, after 9 -11, on that part of the world they spent $9 trillion in growing. using all that money, you've had a lot of guests on this program talking about how that money was used. There's a lot of shady shit that happened. War breeds corruption. One of the reasons you should be concerned about the military industrial complex is because that money is just not used well.

37:35But that's all. That's a discussion. The reality of corruption in Ukraine is it should be dealt with after make peace. All the problems, the elections were suspended too. The idea is a democracy. There is censorship in Ukraine now. All of those ideas cannot be, all of those things cannot be fixed until the war is ended. The reason there is censorship now in Ukraine is because it's a war. But you can't, the idea is a democracy in part have to be suspended during a war to effectively fight that war. This is a whole idea of martial law. The United States has this. You don't fuck around. You have to win the war.

38:23When your land is invaded, you have to, everybody has to be focused on this. The problem is it's a slippery slope. When all the media channels are being controlled and the president and everybody is so invested in quote unquote, winning the war, then where are the critical voices that say we need peace? Right? They're coming from the outside, but you need that. The thing is, it's a really complicated tension, right? You don't, during the war with martial law, you do want to suspend elections potentially. It's a really difficult trade -off. The United States has the same thing. If we were to be invaded, I don't know by who, this is not, you know, if Canada invaded, I don't want to make a joke out of this, but there's going to be a more...

39:15Yeah, but I'm quick -fighting. Exactly. Like, there would be a martial law where elections would be delayed or suspended and so on. So all those criticisms, all those concerns can only be dealt with once you make peace. Yeah. And in terms of corruption, just, there's a lot of people that knows Alinsky well, and this has been my impression having met him.

39:47I don't think he, and I've not heard anybody that knows him well, say that he's personally corrupt. And this is really important. He himself is not personally corrupt, and he legitimately is fighting corruption. Now, he's in a system that has corruption. Russia has corruption. It's really difficult to weed out corruption. But he legitimately, at least to me, that's really important that he has a single human being and the people really close around him, like really close. That corruption starts to see pin, of course, when you go further out. But in that direct human being, that he is not personally corrupt.

40:25He, like financially speaking, he singularly believes in the idea of Ukraine as a sovereign nation and he's willing to die for that idea. That is his strength and that is also his weakness when it's time to make peace. When you are preparing to do something like this and you are, you know, you're doing your research, you're getting ready to go do it. What are your concerns other than your own physical safety, of course? Well, like, what is your, like, ultimately, what's your concerns? What are your goals when you're setting out to do this? Because this is very different than any other kind of podcast interview.

41:10It's, there's no other format really, where a world leader in the middle of a huge international no conflict is going to sit down for three hours and talk to an American scientist, which is weird too, right? It's like, why are you doing it? You know what I mean? Like, this guy who works in AI just decides he's going to start a podcast, a podcast becomes very successful, and all of a sudden he's like, I'd like to talk to everybody. I'd like to go over and talk to Zelensky and talk to Putin and everybody's like, why you what the fuck are you doing? So you get a lot of that and then unfortunately for you you read the comments So you get sucked into all that negativity Yeah, I mean there's a lot to say there first of all in the comments side I always have a little Joe Rogan my show is saying don't read the comments don't read the comments and in this situation it's especially intense Yeah, I should say like privately after I did the conversation with Zelensky every single person that knows the situation and well, in those media personally has written to me and it's all been really positive, like really positive, almost like in the desert wanting water positive because there's a lot of voices that are afraid to speak that want peace.

42:37Sure. But online, this is something we talked about a little bit, there's just like these like swarms of people that are like not even necessarily people. That's I I don't want to sort of go too far in that territory. It's assuming that anybody who criticized me is a bot No, but but there is a saying that but there's a there's an enormous element of that. That's real whether it's bots or whether it's hired people paid propagandists the the conversation is not a pure conversation between people Expressing their ideas. There's a lot of propaganda online and it's very confusing To try to discern what the percentage is You know, we've talked about this a bunch of times on the podcast, but there was a former FBI analyst who estimated that it's on Twitter alone.

43:25This is before the purchase. He believed it was around 80%. So 80 % fake accounts, 80%. Not just propaganda, like government propaganda, but most certainly corporations are hiring people to do similar things. I'm sure there's companies that will do that for public figures, actors, you know, people that are involved in conflict. This is part of the Blake Lively dispute is that she is accusing that Justin Baldoni actor of an organized attack on her, which is probably what it feels like anyway when you're involved in something on social media like, oh my god, this is organized, where they're attacking you.

44:08But it's a very confusing landscape. And ideally what we would want with social media is different people informed and uninformed, but at least expressing their ideas on things and exchanging information back and forth and talking. It's not the whole story though. There's a lot of other players involved that are not real. There's AI for sure. There's definitely large language models that are involved in this back and forth with automation and you know they look out for certain code words and these accounts attack certain ideas So it's hard to know like what the actual will of the people is. Yeah, I mean it's definitely true And I've seen a lot of evidence of this that there's the Ukrainian bot farms in Russian bot Have you spoke to Elon about this?

45:09About bot farmers? Yeah, because like he knows a lot more now of course, right? Because there was the big concern when he was buying Twitter. They were trying to say there was 5%, there was only 5 % bots. And they were doing that on an extremely low sample size. They were doing it off of 100 people. So they got 100 people. And now those 100 people, 5 of them, they determined were bots. And so they went with 5%, which is just ridiculous. You know, you're dealing with how many people are on Twitter every day. Like, what's the total Twitter audience? It's not its biggest Facebook right Facebook is 3 .2 billion worldwide which is Unbelievable I think X has a small number but very influential very active.

45:48Yeah, very active very influential 245 daily active What is the total amount of accounts on it though? Because you know there's daily active and then there's just people that just read them. There's a lot of people that just read

46:08541 .56 million monthly active users. So again, that's active users So total users with the total users See it's all active. I want to know accounts

46:30They delete accounts all the time. Right. Yeah, they definitely do. So they must have some sort of a system where they weed out bots. And, you know, there's a lot of concern right now on Twitter about censorship. You know, I try to stay out of Twitter as much as I can, honestly, because I think it's bad for your mental health. I really do. I think people just barking at each other all day is not good to absorb. I want to absorb real people that I interact with. I mean, I try to pay attention to the news. I try to pay attention to whatever controversial ideas are out there and try to see what I think.

47:10But I don't think it's good to dive in to social media all day. I think it's uniquely bad. And I think so many people are involved in it and they don't realize that they're poisoning their brain. Just like they have poisoned their body if they're eating junk food all day. I think it's genuinely bad for you. Yeah, I mean and you and I and also in a particular you know doing a podcast and we're also very different human beings I would say your Psychologic your psychological fortitude is is Pretty strong like and I'm more I wear my heart on my sleeve maybe a little bit more and when if I like shit gets to me and And when you try to put compassion out there in the world in a way, in a way I did, especially with this conversation with Zelensky, they attacks like.

48:02You just have to recognize who the kind of people that are doing that are. Yeah. You know, those are just really weak people. Really weak, psychologically damaged, mentally ill people that are probably medicated. I started to push back, I think some of them are actually good sophisticated people. They're just acting not their best selves. Like I've seen this, there's people that are like, I know them personally and online, they just like the worst shit comes out of them. Yeah, well because they're mentally ill. And they're in all of us are mentally ill. Yeah, well we're all a little mentally ill.

48:37Like no one is enlightened that I've met. I've never met one person who's perfect. Right, I don't think it's possible with this journey that we're on as these meat vehicles, these sole carrying meat vehicles, navigating a very confusing world. I don't think it's possible to be perfect, but you can have a desire to be a good person and some people don't have that. And the excuse that they always use is, I mean, this is the Donald Trump excuse. You do anything you can to stop Hitler, you know? Right? And this is why they wanna conflate and they always want to pretend that everyone's Hitler. The problem with that is that just after a while, it's crying wolf and people like, oh, this is a bullshit game you're playing and you're just using it as an excuse.

49:24Elon's talked about this a lot about, and he's absolutely correct, is that people use woke ideology as an excuse to be an asshole. And it's really just people that are assholes that are attaching themselves to things that make them feel righteous. And so they wrap themselves in this idea to give them virtue and to allow them to say the most awful things about other people that have different perspectives. And then just by nature, if you're doing that, you're doing the wrong thing. You're a bad person. You can justify it all you want. You can find people that agree with you all you want. But those people are also on the wrong track, rather, the people that are listening to you and agreeing with you.

50:07They're on the wrong track. They're the wrong track if we want to be collectively a kind, compassionate, cohesive society, a community of human beings that all live together. That's totally possible. If you can do it in small groups of people, you can do it in enormous groups of people. It just has to be an ethic that gets promoted. It has to be something that you see people that you admire adhere to and you do it as well. Now, whenever someone goes outside of that, and whenever someone starts making horrific, unfounded personal attacks, because someone has a different political ideology or just going after them every day all day long, like you're just broken.

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54:03The version of that is Hitler. or a certain, yeah, big proponent of Soul Geniuses and famous the author of Gua Garcabalgo that the line between good and evil runs through the heart of every man that all of us have that in us and to be it is good to be humble but that reality and if you are humbled by that reality then you're not going to to see any other people as purely evil or purely good. All of that, that kind of thing is used to just, to hate others. Yeah, yeah. And even when it's unfounded, even like I'm watching the Hegseth, the confirmation hearings, and these ignorant people are going after his tattoo, not even knowing what the tattoo is and trying to pretend that it's some sort of radical hateful tattoo when it's just an ancient Christian tattoo.

55:10It's so strange. I mean that tattoo is in churches. That symbols in churches. That symbols that symbols been around for a long fucking time. It's just a Christian in tattoo and I was watching the Pierce Morgan show and Pierce Morgan had Michael Knowles and these two super wack and Dave Rubin and two super wacky leftist people that didn't know what the tattoo was and they were criticizing it and Pierce Morgan kept hiding. What is the tattoo? What is it? Tell me what it and the guy would go like, go on, you're not answering the question, go back to it. What is it? Well, let's look it up. He's like, no, no, don't look it up.

55:49I want you to tell me if you're saying it's offensive. And so then the woman chimes in and Michael Knowles just clowns her just absolutely knows the history of the tattoo including like you know, she's talking about it before It existed before Islam You know and she's Criticizing what it is and he's like do you do you understand that Islam didn't exist when this tattoo then this symbol existed? it. Like it's not an anti -Muslim symbol because there was no Muslims when this symbol was created. Like this is bonkers. And they are all in, digging their heels in, pretending, just trying to win this conversation, just trying to win.

56:33And Pierce Morgan is doing that. He's like the Jerry Springer of political ideology now. He just has people get on the show and yell at each other. It's very entertaining and he gets great sound bites out of it. It's kind of genius in terms of like an engagement perspective. If you looked at your show, it's just like how do I get more engagement? Well, that's how you do it. He gets some wacky leftids, gonna say nutty things, he gets some right winged persons, gonna say nutty things, and you get them all together yelling at each other. I wish he did, the last of that, I should say that Pierce Morgan, I think is a great interviewer.

57:01Like he's legit a great interviewer, but he also has, he could put on his Jerry Springer hat on too. He's making money. Listen, I mean, he does, I mean, he does both. He does do long -form, great interviews, so that's, he's found his lane. All right. His name is Jerry Springer, but he's doing a good job exposing these people. It's very valuable. That conversation was very valuable for me, because this is adorable. Washington's guy flounder around trying to come up with a reason why this tattoo is so offensive. Yet, Besey, what I don't like about that is that guy is floundering, but there could be actually fastest to that person outside of this ridiculousness that's interesting.

57:42Right. You've got to cleanse that from your mind. They do if you want to if you want to be the guy who's on television talking about important issues And you've got this stupid thing in your head where you're arguing about to attack you that you don't even understand Yeah, you got a cleanse that stupidity out of your fucking mind Sometimes the best way to do that is to get clowned on television Sure, so you got exposed she got exposed They both look like morons and then Michael Noah's who did a fantastic job of like smiling never raising his voice, calmly explaining it. Have you seen it? No, I haven't.

58:16See if you can find it, Janet. It's pretty wonderful. Michael Nose is a pro. He's a pro. The way he handled it was remarkable. Yeah, I know people criticize that guy, but fucking people criticize everybody. I'm just saying in this moment, don't read the comments, Joe. Yeah, don't read the comments. Yeah. Yeah, even about other people, right? Well, this is the thing I think you said that Sometimes read comments from friends of yours. Yeah, I don't even like doing that. I try not to do that This is the thing that bothers me about comments is I don't read them But like I don't know my mom will read them and she'll she'll text me something like don't listen to what people say My mom will send me things is this true my mom come on.

58:59Yeah Yeah, this is it. Yeah. This is wonderful. Watch this. The two people in the far right of the screen, the lady in the big jacket and the dude with the beard, they're fucked. They got cooked. You could accuse Pete of as being too alert and energetic. I found it overwhelming, actually, while I was there, tired trying to dust the sand out of my eyes. But you suggest that the graduate of Princeton in Harvard, who for decades has been in the US military, served his country honorably. that he's somehow unqualified to work at the Pentagon. The most egregious accusation you make against him, though, is that he's an extremist because he has a tattoo.

59:38Could you tell us what the tattoo is? The tattoos, specifically, I did not make the allegation that he's an extremist. It was actually a fellow call -in. You repeated the allegation. So what's the tattoo? Inside or threat. Yeah, right. So what's the tattoo? I can tell you it says that. He was his fellow call -in. I'm going to have a jawhead off.

1:00:04I was talking about his fellow colleague, this exactly why I said his fellow colleague in the US Army called him out as a potential insider threat. What is the tattoo? What is the tattoo? I call them an extremist based upon his own book. Read the book. What is the tattoo? By God. If you don't know what the tattoo is just a mitte. Oh my lord. Listen. What is the tattoo? I want to tell you what I'm doing. No, genuinely intrigued. Let the lady talk. We're not with God. When the lady talks is even more brutal, a woman hasn't genuinely paid for it. A woman hasn't spoken yet. A woman hasn't spoken yet.

1:00:46Let her speak. A woman hasn't spoken yet. I did hear a man's route. They were all talking over each other. He was, did he, I say the words? Yeah, they weren't talking about the cross. They're talking about a different tattoo. Yeah, well, she is talking about that as well. Okay. She's, but it'll go on to that. Actually, no, what that tattoo is on the off. Listen, what I do know is I read his book and in his book, if you know, the American crusade in his book, wait a second. I'll, if you book, be honest. I am, look, this is Jerry Sprint. I'm going to put it in a room. That's great. I'm just going to say, if you don't know the Donald Trump, do you know the Donald Trump?

1:01:21Our national security at risk for Pete Hexon. I am telling you everything and you guys are finding ways to spend. Why are you guys okay with me? Simply asking you. It has an NDA with simply asking you. I'm actually sexually something. Do you know what that is? I said it. I said it. No, it goes further. See if you can find where the woman's speaking because it gets even more brutal because She's incorrect and Michael knows correct her and when he corrects her it's fucking great It's a good way to expose see if you find the other one Jamie very narrow It's gonna be in here. I got a clear. I missed the whole show it's an hour long show We'll talk it right there.

1:02:00I'll know where it is What is the what is long this falls along a threat as an inside No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to Michael. I'm going to do a 20 -21 pegs, Pete Hexner, as a potential insider. We're going to have you at 98, Charles, who is still standing in file for test. I'm going to Michael. I'm going to Michael. I'm going to Michael. I'm going to go to Michael. Michael. The tattoo in question. The tattoo in question is called a Jerusalem Cross that this is a medieval Christian symbol goes back a long time. In fact, at Jimmy Carter's funeral, there was a Jerusalem cross on the floor of the cathedral, and on the program for the funeral.

1:02:34There was one other tattoo that some of suggested could be extremist. It's the phrase, Deus Volt, which is a medieval Christian slogan, a long traditional slogan that refers to God's will and it goes back a long way. These are very traditional, very mainstream Christian symbols that not only are not extreme in any way, but which even the people who want to accuse him of extremism couldn't possibly name. That is pathetic. All right. God has said that. His insider, Garzman did it, which is what I said. and also I said that he called himself to extreme for the US military in his book. That's pathetic.

1:03:09Okay. Is Pete Hexat lying that he's too extreme in his book? Let me go to Julie. He's been wasting your time. He's too extreme for radical leftists. Let me go to Julie. Is he lying? He said it. Is he lying? Be gentle and leave please. We have a lady who's not spoken. Julie, be very patiently. Your view of this. I tell you what, before you answer, I know you said in your sub -stack about this. under normal circumstances, he, Pete Hankseth, would be precluded from serving in any leadership role. So explain why you said that. Well, let me, I will explain in one second. Let me go back to something that was said in the very beginning that he spent more than 10 years of Fox News and that's what qualifies him to be in this position that he wants to be in.

1:03:50I spent more than 10 years of Fox News. I don't think I'm qualified to run the DOD. What's the way? I see that's what I'm talking about Fox News. I said that was one of the things. If you, if you, well, I don't think that's even a remote qualification. That's one. Being able to communicate I .V. You're asking. The Secretary of Defense and explain policy is actually a very big part of the year. There are plenty, there are plenty of qualified Republicans out there who can run the DOD, who also are good on television. It does not need to be Pete Hexeth. Secondly, again, you talked about NDAs. I am bound by an NDA Fox News.

1:04:23If I were not bound by an NDA and the Fox News wanted to release me from that NDA, I I could tell you about my time with Pete Hexeth. Unfortunately, that's not possible. But I will say that the reason that there are so many people who anonymously came forward at Fox News is that because they're also bound by confidentiality provisions, which one -third of all American workers need to sign in their first day of work. And if they were to go public, they could get sued. The reason this accuser is not heard from is because, according to the New Yorker, she tried desperately to meet with Joni Ernst on the committee and Joni Ernst turned her down.

1:04:55So the reason that she has not been able to come out publicly is because she has an NDA and even privately she could not meet with a senator on this committee who is also rape survivor to share her story because that rape survivor did not want to hear from a woman who was going to put her potentially in a position to vote against Pete Hexeth. Pete Hexeth has written himself while at Princeton saying that women who are passed out, If you have sex with them while they're unconscious, that's not really rape Right now the American is that written somewhere? I don't know if it doesn't sound true, but yeah, yeah, it's hard to say but scoot ahead to where they just start discussing the tattoo It's it's in the same flow.

1:05:40It's not that far away This is definitely not a good format though. No, well at least that letting her talk you just go have your way with that really So I don't know which soldiers you've been talking to who think Pete Hexet is a great thing for the military. There are not, there is not one woman out there who cares about being assaulted on deployment who thinks that this is the person that needs to be charged with the United States military. And as for the cross that you talked about, yes, James Volt which is the cross that he has and the slogan that he has. It is an old Christian cross. The phrase, excuse me, the phrase.

1:06:14The phrase, however, was uttered by crusaders as they were slaughtering Jews and Muslims during the Second Crusade specifically. So it's not just a random cross. That is not just a random phrase. It is a phrase. It is not true. It is not true. The phrase was uttered after the Council of Claremont when Pope Urban II declared the crusade. It was actually probably du -le -vous, but it's been rendered in Latin as day was full. It has nothing to do with slaughtering. muslims because the Muslims had invaded Europe, not the other way around. Oh my God, are you really saying that the reason the crusade was sent to the Holy Land to liberate the Holy Land from whom, from Jews and Muslims?

1:06:57And that is a phrase that you have to worry. I'll tell you why the crusade being, because the Eastern Emperor asked for help from the Western Pope because the Seljuk Turks were slaughtering Christians in the Holy Land, because those lands were Christian before the Muslims invaded in the 7th century. So that's why Good to know like I'm sorry those lands those lands those lands. No, I keep going. Hey Kate lose lands became Christian after the first crusade Okay, so let's make the lands were Christian in the second centuries I can I can I can Islam didn't exist before the seventh century. What are you talking about?

1:07:33Okay, I could listen listen. I can go

1:07:43But what that has to do with what that has to do with Pete Hexeth is it's not that he has a random cross That talks about his faith in Jesus Christ. He used a very specific terminology But putting all of that aside the biggest you to Christians in the Middle East just like they're being persecuted today Okay You want to talk about the thing you want as a secretary of defense wonderful? Yes, if you want to You can talk about the crusade. I'll go to Michael. My point is that I can not even believe that something the Vatican apologize for is something you're defending, which is the slaughter of the Muslims during the crusades.

1:08:21Excuse me, the Vatican said the crusade. Why don't you give me a call after this and I will walk you through exactly. All right, that's why I'm bringing things back. Let me, all right. But if you want to talk about it, but if you want to talk about it, we'll do a separate crusade debate another time. Let me bring a day of Reuben. The worst way to have conversations is working. I mean, I'm getting a headache from this. Fuck these people, fuck all, fuck that whole panel. I'm sorry, but like, you can't talk like this. Each of those individual people, I'm not sure about this second government, even the woman, would be a fascinating four, five -hour conversation.

1:08:54You should probably have her on. Yeah, well, her and my good old, And it appears Morgan. Yes. Yeah, this is not the right and I'm so exhausted as fucking bullshit. I know I can't I'm like angry right now I want to play more for you this own Published the column saying sex with unconscious women isn't rape Jesus imagine not just thinking that but publishing it Yeah, I mean what did he actually say when I read it? We can read it Well rate and quotes intercourse But amusing yet mandatory orientation program revolved entire around whether an instance of sexual intercourse constituted rape, the actual instance portrayed in the skit was in fact, oh, is a skit?

1:09:41In fact, not a clear case of rape, at least not in my home state. So this is Hegs' assay in this. In short, though intercourse was not consented to, there was no duress because the girl drank yourself into unconsciousness, both criteria must be satisfied for rape. Unfortunately, the panel has never cited any legal definition of rape. Yet the panel, all females in the session I attended, claimed that rape it was. Huh, what year was this? So, are they talking about, this is what's confusing. Are they talk, it says a skit, and then it says they're talking about a legal definition of rape, has the legal definition changed over the years, like when was this?

1:10:25Is he talking about a legal definition or is he talking about his own opinion? Right, there's a giant difference between the two of them, right? Especially if you take it something out of context, you don't know if you elaborated. Article 4 is college newspaper stating that having sex with unconscious women isn't rape, because the criteria for rape isn't met. So this isn't his college newspaper. So how old is he? Is he like 50? How old is Pete Hegseth? Yeah, he's up there, right? This episode is brought to you by Robin Hood Gold. With Robin Hood Gold you can now enjoy the VIP treatment receiving 3 % IRA match on retirement contributions.

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1:12:47Oh, well, yeah I remember in 2000 ish I remember when we were doing the podcast there was a brief moment of time where people were talking about if a man had sex with a woman and they had both been drinking that it was rape that the woman could not consent because she was drunk but the man's drunk too right so it gets weird it gets like we understand like traditionally men are pursuing women and that applying someone with alcohol is a famous thing that people do it's kind of a weird legal thing come on one more drink have another drink, have another drink, and we all know that when people get drunk they do stupid shit.

1:13:33But we don't know what happened if you're both drunk. So this is what I'm getting at is that 2000, these conversations are already being had. The question is like, is he saying this from his personal perspective or is he saying it from a legal perspective? I don't know what else was in the text. You know, I'm trying to be as charitable as possible because if like more was in that like that's a reprehensible act That's like did he say anything like that or was it just specifically talking about the legal definition because he said in his state, right? Also says to be clear he did not write it himself.

1:14:12He published it. Oh, that's what this is in short I accept that not publish a put up the screen He did not or did published such a column while he held the role of He did not write it himself. He did not write it. It was written by someone else. Okay. So he just published someone's opinions. Okay, that's very different. That's very different. That's very, very, very different. She said he said that. That's not what he said at all. See that right there. I'm just so exhausted. That's exhausting. Both like over the thing. That's wrong with both sides. But that right there is crazy because I, my opinion of him shifted briefly when I was like, you know, I was watching Daniel Negrano, you know, the great poker player was on Tim Poole's show.

1:14:55And they were talking about his shift in political ideologies. And then a lot of it came from when they were accusing Trump of saying that thing that Obama repeated falsely during the campaign was that he was talking about white nationalist and neo -Nazis and saying there's very fine people on both sides. And Nograno had heard that. He had heard the clip where Trump said it where it was edited. He had never seen the full thing and then once you saw the full thing He was like what the fuck and it immediately made him realize like oh my god. They're lying They're lying and then he talked about how Obama repeated this is years after Daniel had known it was false Obama repeating it at the campaign speeches and then Obama sitting right next to Trump and they're joking around with each other You pal, I know you're neo -Nazi lover.

1:15:50You fucking rascal. I had you win But just what that lady did on that show and then when we find out that Hegsett didn't actually write that he just published it You know any published it in college as a 20 year old or whatever it was I think there should be also room for that lady to then change her her mind and apologize Yeah, a lot of us parrot a lot of us parrot including probably you and I never yeah, how dare you parrot bullshit We see on the yeah of course, and then we should give each other room to like yeah safe. I fucked up But people don't want to say that this is what they have to understand even people I don't like listen to me It's their strength in that it's better than digging your heels and their strength and saying I was uninformed or was misinformed, I fucked up.

1:16:41I've said it before, it's important to do. You got to do it because you can't have, you can't have an erroneous idea in your head and repeat it over and over again. You can't have an incorrect false opinion that you have a defended and now you can't ever accept even with new information that shows that it's not true. I should also say because it's fucking sitting in my head on this topic. I'm probably gonna do like a five plus hour interview with Jack Weatherford on JengusCon and I wrote his book. All right, and I don't I'm not proud of the way I formulated my fuck of it in the beginning of the beginning.

1:17:18I'm still bothered by the looseness with which I talked about rape. There is and I don't think I have in me the eloquence or the skill to improve on that. I think in general it's trying to find the right words. Well here's to describe the historically accurate thing, the data that we have and then the narratives. I think the point Jack Weatherford makes is that we keep oscillating back and forth on James Conn. He's one like this epic great conqueror like currently Alexander the great has that Good vibes all around him nobody talks about him as a horrible human horrible human. Yeah, but Currently James Khan has this kind of barbarian Evil just rapist.

1:18:14Well, there's so good at it. They were so good at murder They're so good at war. I mean, they're so uniquely good at military strategy. So it's it's about Always kept the army to about a hundred thousand. It's small So it's a hundred thousand horse each soldier had five horses so four spare horses with them So imagine 500 ,000 which they use their blood to the fuel them Yeah, they would use that for food. So it's very poignant. They're not bringing right logistically the whole I mean I mean, it's just imagine this are modern moving. Like, they can move like 50 miles a day, this entire army, and they don't have to follow the roads, which all the military would follow the roads.

1:18:56So you can go around, you can surround, and they did the, as you know, they can retreat, feign retreat, and then attack from the sides. It's the blitzkrieg, it's the genius stuff. And a lot of people, including Dan Collins, say the greatest military in history, It would defeat every single military including Napoleon with the musket that everything Yeah, they would destroy Napoleon and then of course in the 20th century, you know, they didn't defeat Samarice Right, but they never really fought they did twice they fought but it's not a real battle These guys are fucking crazy They thought they were crazy these guys were like practicing their whole lives for one -on -one combat with swords As far as I know they never really had a full on battle.

1:19:41I wish they did. There were some battles. There was battles on an island. One of the islands outside of Japan, but the Japanese successfully held off the Mongols. And they were like one of the only civilizations to ever pull that off. I think one of the issues with Mongols, except Kubikon, is they were not good with water. They didn't know how to... The ship thing was not... Oh. What a big mistake. Well they imagine they're as good with water as they were with horses. That would with a real problem. Well a lot of things they had advantage on, like for example, they can ride on ice. And so how do they do that?

1:20:14They, they, in Mongolia, they, these people like ride different horses. Did they even shoot their horses back then? No, I don't think so. Really? No, no, no, it's all, like they don't have, like, when do they start shooting horses? That's a good question. But that doesn't feel like a Mongol thing. I mean, the people can ride the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the archery. They would shoot it. No, about this. The mountain archery is so insane. They had the ability to hang off the side of the horse, so they would shoot from under the horse's neck. So they were completely defended by the horse, and they were shooting arrows, and their bows were 160 pounds.

1:20:53So you had to be insane. They said that a lot of the skeletons they find from that era, their bones are deformed, because your whole body has just been pulling 160 pounds with your right arm or your left arm, like your whole life. So your right side is like insanely muscled and your bones are all twisted and thicker and dancer tendons and everything because they've been doing that since they were children. They were insane. And it's seen in, yeah. And insanely formidable army. Insanely formidable. But here's something to take into consideration when we're saying about like how gingus Con's jeans were spread.

1:21:34Just right off the bat. It's all awful, all horrible. I wish no one ever got killed by anybody ever. It's all awful. All war is hell. All of it. All's hell. There was so much of it going on throughout human history that women would there was a survival mechanism in accepting this conquerors your new husband when he slaughtered your husband. is the only way your genes passed on. So these women were able, I mean, even if they said they fell in love with him, you know, even if they did marry him, even if they were happy to marry him, there was like almost an evolutionary requirement because we slaughtered each other so much that if you wanted your genes to pass on, you had to accept the slaughterer of your former mate.

1:22:25And then in modern society, we'll call that rape. But it's a, you have to use different words for that time because there is rape where it's like violent rape as part of war as part of a mechanism of terror. I think even as just part of society up until like a few thousand years ago or even a few hundred years ago, I think human beings, you know, like I've had a bunch of friends who've served overseas and the stories they tell from Afghanistan, especially with the child raping, it's fucking bone -curdling. Like, you blood -curdling, just like you just wanna leave the room when they're talking.

1:23:08You don't even wanna hear this. You don't wanna think that this is happening and it's happening right now because it's an old culture. It's an old culture and it's separate from the rest of the world. It's very remote, very difficult to access. He says, you have warlords and herders who are living in these nomadic tribes to this day. Not much different than when Alexander the Great conquered it. So I should say that James Con from everything I understand was not progressive because it's very pragmatic. This is why he - A lot all religions. All religions. Which is Thomas Jefferson, I should say, deeply admired James Con for this, the freedom of religion.

1:23:48And he didn't just say freedom of religion. It's freedom of an individual to practice any religion they want, which is a, it's like individualism. It's a really revolutionary, badass idea for that time, for that place. Well, he was, he recognized strength and the value of accepting strength and taking, and the strength in unity, the strength in community. If people can worship whatever they want, but I'll be united under one banner, because it's better than dividing everybody. Like in the feminist thing that I mentioned he would put women in power. Why is he a feminist? No, he understood that women are able to Men conquer better in his perspective and women rule better because they keep a stable society so he would do he would Mary a woman to the king of the place and then send the king off to fight the rule of to fight knowing for sure he's going to die.

1:24:47But the woman is not ruling and then there's a lot of like progressive things about like there were a lot to show their face especially in the Persian lands where they conquered like there are a lot to wear these fancy headdresses which is you know like a floss a little yeah excited about that exactly new rules and the other thing you know on the This is the tricky thing is the Mongolian tribes, where Jenghis Khan came up, by the way, came up from nothing. Father slaughtered, I mean, this is from nothing. That was a common practice to steal wives, to steal women. And the one of his wives stolen and she came back pregnant.

1:25:31That was like the origin story. The origin story of James Khan is like his, the love of his life who was married to him for his whole life that he proposed or he said, you're gonna marry at nine years old. She was kidnapped and he had to raise an army in order to rescue her back. That was the split in the road. He would have been a normal mongo but here he has to raise an army to rescue her back Wow, and then he realized he's really fucking good at this whole Started with you know What's like it finds that the horses were unshoed Unchewed but they did do something that this is here they use some sort of skin to cover it Interesting allowed a dry place order to acquire the shape of a hoof Proc the technique to cover the hoof which offered greater abilities their armies to move faster more efficiently than their opponents Interesting horses were around for at least two or three hundred years Interesting, so they probably knew about them skins that's interesting What you're saying about him developing the ability and like really?

1:26:44I'm really good at this. Do you know that's exactly how it would the Somali pirates? Do you know the Somali pirates origin story? No the Somali pirates called themselves the people's Coast Guard of Somalia They were defending their waters against Europeans dumping toxic waste in the ocean. They were fishermen. So they had found that these ships were dumping water and killing all their fish and say, these motherfuckers, we're going to hold them responsible. So they boarded these ships, kidnapped them and said, hey, you have to pay us. We've lost all this money from all our fish. We don't have any fish.

1:27:19Give us money or we'll kill these motherfuckers. And they gave the money and they said, hey, let's start killing them. Yeah, I'm kidding, I'm a people. This is way better. And then, you know, there's obviously, there's a narcotic aspect to it because of cat, because the widespread use of this narcotic cat, which is like an emphetamine, I think. Is it a leaf, K -A -J -T? That's like, you know, the guy on the boat, look, it could be me. I'm the captain now. That guy's cracked out. I mean, they're all real skinny. And what's really important in that dynamic is who is the leader that emerges. That's the interesting thing about Jenghis Khan.

1:27:54He became super powerful. That person could have been incompetent. Jenghis Khan could have been a bunch of different people. Right. He instilled one of the really revolutionary things as meritocracy. Right. By the way, he appointed his kids. Several people, including Marcus Aurelius, wrote fancy, you know, meditations. He failed as an emperor by appointing his kids. before him the five emperors all appointed based generals based on merit. So, James Conn always appointed based on merit. Who's the best person here to lead the groups? Which is a revolutionary idea for the time because it was usually based on kin.

1:28:39Like your relationship, your brothers, your sisters, your fathers, so on. That was really important. And the other thing I mentioned is about the tribes, the origin story is Everybody would kidnap and actual rape The woman there was steel women in the Mongol Empire as soon as he won over the entire original Mongolia He banned those are strict rule. There's no kidnapping of wives That was a rule from Mongolia and that rule propagated everywhere. That's wild. It's like, this is what got us into this shit. So, which is one of the pieces of evidence where they're like, it's like, there was a lot of cracking down on the whole rape thing.

1:29:21But there's a caveat of like, well, why is there so many dead bodies where like the atmosphere changes? Why is the carbon footprint different of the human race during the time that he was alive? But it's interesting because we also have to look at things in a perspective of living in the year 1200 or what is it 1200 40s like what when was he around? I should know this 12 or 13. So yeah, we'll, we'll Jamie will find out it's so you have to it's very hard to do and it's not apologizing to these people. I'm not like saying that we should apply the way they looked at the world today. I think the way we look at the world is infinitely better and we're moving in an infinitely better direction.

1:30:03And I think we have like large extremes that go in one direction and things push back in the other direction too far. There's an over correction and then they bounce out. I think we're generally moving in a direction of a more kind, more peaceful society. I think we're better. That's it. 1200 years ago the world was hell. There was no newspapers, no one could read. Okay, where did you get your information from? You got your information from priests and from generals and you know you shared information if you're farmers The world was horrific people fought with bows and arrows and cannons and catapults and Murder was commonplace if you were 12 years old you're probably seeing a few people killed already It was a different time to be alive diseases would kill everybody.

1:30:50There was no medicine You broke your leg your dead, you know, you you get infected your dead It was just the world was a very, very different place. It was so, so dangerous and so fucking terrifying and people relied on their base instincts and the worst aspects of humanity. They relied on that to survive because that was all around you. You had to become a monster if you wanted to live in monstrous times. And that's why the role of law had to be enforced in a brutal way. One of the really powerful things he did is protect merchants, people that traded. If you fuck with people that trade, that on the Silk Road, you're going to get slaughtered.

1:31:35It's not like there's going to be a process, you get slaughtered. In fact, one of the reasons has to date to say this because people would be projecting to the future. But he slaughtered, he took key of and slaughtered people because they broke the rule of, I forget the term for this, but the people that are sent out to communicate before the battle starts. The ambassadors. And the ambassadors, the rule is you don't fuck with them. And the key of residence killed them. And that's where you break the rule. It's like, that's it. Then it's total war. And you had to do that. I mean, you don't have to do that, but that is one of the well if you're living back then you have to do that and then you look at like But the result is complete slaughter and by the way, thank you for Rescuing me for I said a bunch of stupid shit and you're adding more complexity in depth than nuance and Well, we just got started I don't know I love you too.

1:32:43I love you to death man You know how you when you begin a podcast, you know, I don't know if you're you're like this, but for me I got to get cooking, you know Sometimes I that's one of the reasons why I like to talk to people I like to talk sometimes like 15 minutes even before we go in there the danger is they're gonna say something and I'm gonna Ask them to repeat it. I don't want that so sometimes I'll come in hot and I'm like let's just go right now, but you're bringing your you don't know We're gonna talk about the Mongols and rape right and so then all the same sudden you were in this very intense conversation about the responsibility you have as a podcaster, which is a crazy thing to say, but you do.

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1:36:27Well, one of the things I'm trying to do for myself person, I think a lot of people have to do this when young kids have to do this, is figure out how to create a psychological framework where I'm not affected by the internet. It sounds like ridiculous to say, but you say don't read the comments, but they come at you. They'll find their way, and I need to. You can be. But it doesn't work. Nobody's good at it. Even Elon's not good at it. Just post and ghost. Post and ghost. Post things that you think are interesting and just get out of there. Don't read stuff about yourself. Someone said this. I think it was Anthony Hopkins.

1:37:03He was talking about someone's opinion of him. He said that doesn't concern me. No. Was it Anthony Hopkins? I think it was. But he was like, their opinions of me are not my business. But let's add to this little puzzle. What if a bunch of your friends say you're getting canceled online by the way talk of Carlson is good as you Doesn't read anything. Yeah, he doesn't even have social media. Yeah, I know I always want to send him things This motherfucker. I don't even look at this What if like all your friends have read the thing right that you're or your parents or so on your loved ones like And they're the thing could be just a bunch of lies about you sure like what that's it Like for me, that's a little bit of a tricky thing.

1:37:49Well, that's not something you should ignore, right? If you want to make a statement, there's nothing wrong with that. What I'm saying is don't regularly engage in people's opinions of the product that you put out. Yeah. I don't think it's healthy for you because I think, first of all, I've said this before, I'm only kind of joking, but I'm kind of serious. Most people commenting are losers. Sorry. If you're doing it all the time and you're doing it in a negative way all the time, This is not everybody. There's a lot of like really well thought out commentary on YouTube videos that I see on if Occasionally I'll read someone's Instagram page and I'll read my friends comments some people are brilliant don't get me wrong But it is a haven for fuckheads It's a place where people can go and just try to insult people and say the most negative thing possible and They generally I think there's generally a lot of like like dull -minded people that gravitate towards the negativity.

1:38:47You know where that differs is Christians, which is interesting. Like a lot of like low wattage Christians are still super nice, you know, and they'll just praise Jesus and look for forgiveness. The real ones, right, which is a great thing that we should all aspire to. Yeah, like the default state is super nice. Yes. The fault state, what you're supposed to do if you really follow Jesus's teaching is be completely nonviolent, be a beautiful person and love everybody like it's your brother. That's what he wants. That's like, you know, and if you follow that, but there's just too many assholes and too many disgruntled people out there that have terrible lives.

1:39:27You know, the most men lead lives of quiet desperation, the thorough line that I fucking love so dearly. It's such a great line. That's so true and maybe even more true today because of the unnatural world in which we're thrust in. So not only are people doing things that they hate most of the time, but they're also engaging with their phone more than they are with people. So they're engaging in this very bizarre, non -physical way that is detached from any human interaction, detached from emotions, eye contact, the feel of being with someone, the back and forth of a conversation with you and two people.

1:40:05So like if you and I were gonna disagree about something, if there was like some political thing or some social thing that you and I disagreed about, we could sit and just, I wanna know why you think the way you think. Like I wanna know. If you think a thing and I disagree with it, the first thing I wanna know is, and this is not something I always had, I got way better at this in my life as I've gotten older and had more conversations with people, You got to like absolutely know what this person thinks. Don't like attack it, don't twist it around, don't distort it. You have to kind of steal man it.

1:40:43You have to be as charitable to that position as possible. And then occasionally, when you find things that you disagree with, you have to stop and you have to say, okay, here's my problem with this. And it has to be done in good faith. You have to be doing it not to win. You have to be doing it to figure out what's right and Everybody's so fucking attached their opinions and their ideology that most of the time most conversations are had Where one person at least on social media one person is trying to win you're trying to win all the time You're playing this stupid game. It's a dumb -ass game where everybody's a loser, but we just watched appears more good thing That's the same thing it clearly pulled in your attention.

1:41:23You're aware of it. See you love it You're the you're part of the problem Joe. Oh 100 % yeah, I'm a huge part of the problem. You're gonna get me wrong Looking you're a human being well. Yeah, well also like how much do I contribute to people wasting their time Tick -tock reels like the Instagram Reels Twitter things how many fucking Twitter articles get written about every stupid thing I said I mean for three days Dragon believer was trending

1:41:51Just guess of wacky old lady thinks I believe in dragons, but this is just the nature of the world. I love that aspect of the internet. I love the wacky shit. Even the Ukraine war footage, which is horrible, what it's doing is giving you a more nuanced version of the world. And some of it's not good. Like I watched a video today of a guy who got killed by a tiger. Well, he didn't get killed by a tiger, you got torn apart by a tiger, the wounds, man. The wounds. So this guy, like, I didn't think like, what would a tiger do to you? A tiger bit your feet, you want to say? Yeah. I need to. Because I'm a little curious.

1:42:28I'm switching over to Android, buddy. Welcome. Yeah, I just have a few more steps that I have to do before I switch over. And I'm going to try to communicate only with encrypted apps from now on. No, it's WhatsApp. It's just sort of like limiting Twitter replies to register to counts, you know, to You know people like to do that. I'm gonna try to do that. I'm gonna try to use WhatsApp for everything. I was gonna use signal, but Yeah, I don't know the people that use signal. I don't know I don't know it's it's two secret squirrel I didn't know what that means, but yeah, you know like you're a spy of using signal I use it though.

1:43:09I use it all the time. I don't I mean, I'm totally being hypocritical here What was I looking at oh the tiger thing bro this one's rough This one's rough This is Tom Sagar I sent it to him today Tom Sagar and I send each other every day the worst shit that we can find on the internet and it has been like legitimately It's been one of the worst aspects of modern life for me It's like every fucking day me and Tom are sending each other guys getting killed by assassins Nice, it's every day. It's there's so many footage so many videos of cartel members whacking people like After a while you're like holy shit.

1:43:55I don't know if I could do this anymore like every day Someone's getting run over by a truck every day and you that's so here it is. So this guy. They're shooting at that Give me some volume so you can hear this. So they shot at the Tigers just before this because this guy had been bitten up and so see they're shooting at him right now and the Tiger was like, nah bitch.

1:44:19And the Tigers just bite down on this guy.

1:44:29So this is what the guy looks like. This is the wounds.

1:44:35Wow, that bro look at his head. I mean his bone is exposed. Yeah, no, he's alive, dude. Look at his face. Watch this show his face.

1:44:54So this guy climbed into wildlife enclosure. Those were not wild tigers. It was, you know, I don't say tamed. They're not tamed, but there's some in some way, at least minimized in their effectiveness. Is that, you know, our buddy Paul sent me that. Paul Rosalie sent me that. Oh yeah, yeah. So this doesn't remind me of the jungle. Yeah. Our buddy Paul is fearless. He's a bad motherfucker. Yeah. Paul Rosalie's a bad motherfucker. That guy is literally putting his money where his mouth is, where his life is, trying to save the Amazon, like living in it, helping people, you know, hiring people to guard it, taking people that were chopping the wood, chopping the trees down, and then giving them a new job to protect the trees.

1:45:48It's fucking amazing. And he feels the pain. Like he literally like physically feels the pain of lost trees. He sent me something, I don't even know if I'm a lot of talk about it, but if we're not, I'll edit it out afterwards. But he sent me a video, I can't show the video, but he sent me a video of an uncontacted tribe that they discovered. Did he send you that? Fucking insane. Just complete uncontacted tribe naked in the forest, hundreds of them. And they're like pushing these boats filled with bananas out to them to give them food. The reason we could probably talk about the they they try not to show it's that people don't show up and try to find them.

1:46:29Exactly. You want to kind of protect them. Exactly. That's why I don't know if we could even talk about it, but he has brought up the uncontacted tribes before on the show and one of his friends was murdered by one. One of the tribes he was these guys drop off food to these people one day they're like, you know what? Enough. Whap. I'm just going to kill you. Fuck you. I don't trust you. Yeah, we hung out. We talked to a a dogai that works with Paul that has like a scar from a spear. Geez. Geez, bro. At least 100 uncontacted groups in the rainforest. Unbelievable, man. They're living like they were living 20 ,000 years ago, maybe even more, you know, completely uncontacted.

1:47:12That is, that is to me one of the most fascinating aspects of human life today. It's not just that we're on the verge of quantum computing and AI becoming sentient. We're co -existing at the same time with people that have a completely subsistence -based lifestyle with the stuff that's around them. Stone tools, literally, pointed sticks for spears that they've been doing this for thousands and thousands of years. and they're living at the same time as smartphone addiction. Not only that, those people probably their roots go, they could be the original civilization. I believe that they're it. Look at that.

1:47:59Isn't that crazy? Look at those people. That is so wild. Just taking a June. Man, that would be so. If you could just be a fucking fly on the wall and observe that life, like without interfering somehow, so just remotely. God, that would be so incredible. You would be doing what the aliens are doing right now. I think that is what they're doing. I think it's real similar. I really do. I think if you just looked at the natural progression of human beings and what we're talking about with quantum computing and AI and the technological innovations that are without doubt gonna hit us like a tsunami over the next 20 years, 30 years, whatever it is.

1:48:37What are we gonna become? We're gonna become what they are, the same kind of thing. And if there was a planet that had something like us that's emerging and just figuring out how to split the atom and You know, it's still involved in tribal warfare a primate that's still involved with tribal warfare But now as nuclear bombs. That's us also dick picks Also, you know also only fans also, you know Just massive social media addicts all over the the entire planet while we're engaging in tribal warfare with hypersonic weapons So they would be studying us the same way we're studying these folks. Same thing, you know.

1:49:15When we find out a guy got hit with a spear like, oh fuck what happened? These people are crazy. Like you got to be careful. Like when Paul was saying that they were there and they Realized that the tribe was close like they were starting to hear things and they realized they were probably being hunted And they just got the fuck out of there as quickly as they could. That's Terrifying. I do not want to wake up to a news on my feed that Paul Rosalie got killed by an uncontactable. Well, he's, I mean, that guy leaps into adventure. I got in the chance to hang out with him and it is great. There's certain people.

1:49:51I haven't met many people like him in the way that you've described, but also in the way where he sees, Elon is a little bit like this actually. Like, he sees the opportunity for adventure and he just leaps into it. There's not like a deep deliberate process of strategy and planning and so on. It's just something pulls at him. And that's a really fun person to be with. But a couple of that with just extreme competence. He's good at surviving. He's just he's good at taking risks and good at surviving. And that's a so like the on -contacted tribes or the crazy shit we did in the jungle, just like getting lost and have fun with dying, all that kind of stuff.

1:50:31And he's a really nice guy. Super nice. A really nice guy and it's just like there's something to that. He's an actual good person. He's really doing this for a good cause. Yeah, yeah. And it's not just the Amazon Rainforest. He's also going to Africa and India and sort of trying to save nature. I mean, you go out hunting. The forest is a bit different than like the Amazon Rainforest. their life is a lot different. It's like real intense. Like there's a lot. You're in the middle of a soup of life. When you have that much life, just think about the amount of insects. The button you're around it, the buzzing at night.

1:51:15Explain that what that sounds like. Yeah, it's an orchestra. I mean it's millions of little organisms and There's no silence at night. Yeah, they're all fucking They're all screaming and fucking and killing each other. Yeah. And it's all life eats life all around you. It's life eating life. And one of the ways to experience that is the sound. The other way is just standing there, stuff starts crawling on you pretty quickly. And you get bit by bulletin. No, but you know, step very close to it. There's a lot. I want to get bit by one. In the context here, I would love to get bit by one. Would you do it on the podcast?

1:52:00If we brought in bulletins? Let's go. Yeah, so I have to take a day off of everything else, I think. What are you, pussy? I think you do. I think you don't want to be interviewing so person about AI, just sweating. Just sweating and agony. Everybody likes to think they have super high paint tolerance. You know that about men? It's fun. And man always like to think, oh man, I got fucking crazy paying tolerance. No, women have a much higher. Much higher. You know, as the highest red -headed women. Oh, that explains a lot.

1:52:35This is up for debate, but I sent Jamie something recently. Do you remember the thing I sent you? So we were talking about on the podcast multiple times because I had read that, that they had a higher pain threshold. I'm like, that's weird. I wonder why? Well, because everybody's been fucking with gingers forever. They would beat their ass. They're like an MMA guy who's got two older brothers You know the fucking they can take it the scariest MMA fighters have older brothers used to beat them up Because they're ready to fucking throw down all the time like the scariest guys or or abusive stepdad those two Yeah, that makes a scary guy or abusive father the guys that I know that are the fucking scariest They had abusive dads that people that beat them up when they were young They just get fucking you should go and just ready to go.

1:53:19They don't have a fear of going They want to go they want to go all the time. Let's fucking go like they've been just been the same way to survive If you're a kid and you have a brother who's four years old and your dad is a raging alcoholic and he beats your mom in front of you And your brother beats your ass too like fuck man. You better be hard But you're not gonna make it. There's no pill to cry into man. You got to fight your brother He's four years older than you. He might knock you out today. He knocked you out last week. He laughs at you when you're on your back Yeah, I mean Not to return to the topic, but Jeng is gone murder just older brother.

1:53:54Yeah, he's picking on us. He stole his fish So was fish. Yeah, he said fuck you shot him with the bow and arrow the mom freaked out. Yeah, called him a monster. Yeah, she was right Well also you learn how to kill your brother when you're you know, what was he six? Wasn't he? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, like it gets married in nine. You get an awful wrong foot. And conquered an empire at 16. But they didn't expect you to live past 30. You know, if you got to 30, you were an old fuck back then. Meanwhile, he lived into his 60s. Yeah, he lived really long and he was consulting with monks because he was trying to figure out how to live longer, how to live forever.

1:54:34He felt the iron ebbing from his blood. and he felt the body weakened. And he wanted to visit today beyond TRT, be fucking great. Kidding wild. His kids are kind of disappointing. I mean, this, like, well, of course. Isn't that always the case? That's the thing. Show me a man who's a great man, who's the son of a great man. It's tough. It's tough. It's a hard road. I mean, you have to have a very exceptional father who recognizes the requirements that this kid is gonna go through. if you're fucking Ginghis Khan's son. And meanwhile, you're also running an empire. Like raising kids is, it is a very evolving thing.

1:55:15And it's a nuanced thing. And you have to know which ones to push and which ones to just let them be themselves, which ones to support, which ones to encourage, and how to encourage and how to, how to instill discipline, how to show them how important it is to feel the pain of loss and to feel like failure and to understand that this doesn't make you a bad person. These are just the lessons of life and the energy that comes with doing something well and throwing yourself into something and finding success versus half -assing your existence and feeling filled with misery and regret. And that's a difficult thing when you're sleeping on silk sheets.

1:55:56You know, that was like what Marvin Haggler used to talk about. Like you know, it's hard to get up in the morning and run when you sleep in silk sheets He's talking about the pull of as you become successful boxers get softer And it's because they start getting rich, you know, and then you know There's chill a little bit. Well if you have a sun then the sun's growing up rich and you're chill Like fuck man, like you want to make a conqueror? You want to make a you want to make a champion fighter? give them a rough childhood. I don't think you should do it. It definitely shouldn't be mean to your kid just so that they can be a bad -ass fighter.

1:56:34Well, I think it's also, there's probably a balance. You can hit it, but a lot of these folks, because they had nothing they want to spoil their kids. They go too far in the other direction. Yeah. It's not, it's a harder to be a strict parent. I think. Mitzie sure used to ignore Paulie just to make him funnier. She talked about it. She talked about ignoring him when he was crying. Yeah, it'll make him funny. She was right. Yeah. She knew what she was doing. But it's like to do that if you're a conqueror and you came up from shooting your brother with a bow and arrow and then raising an army to take back your wife and then you have children and your children are born when you're 40.

1:57:19You know, and you've got this insane empire that's like one of the most Spectacular and impressive military accomplishments. Have you just looked in terms of just like this year? Numbers of human beings they sent into the reincarnation cycle Fuck it. It's a crazy number man. They killed somewhere between I Think the estimates are 50 to 60 million people over the course of his lifetime, 10 % of the population of Earth. Yeah, and they, you know, how by that brutal one -on -one contact, bows and arrows, fire, catapults, swords, spears, trampled. And through all of that, it doesn't seem like power corrupted the guy.

1:58:13So he was he was big on on Mark Grave no statues or a lot to be made of him no paintings No anything That's that they killed everybody that was involved in it. Yeah, the people that went to Burry him Another group came out to kill them and then another group came out to kill the people that killed them They came in three waves so that no one would have any idea where Genghis Khan is buried and we still don't know You know, that's one of the qualities of, there's a perception of Zelensky sort of the actor, the showman, all that kind of stuff. Some of that is true, but in his interactions that I'm aware of with his soldiers, there is no, like he wants to be on the exact same level, sleep on the same bunks, no glamor, none of that, which I personally admire in a leader in general, just walk amongst the soldiers.

1:59:04It's a very admirable thing. I mean, if you're going to ask people to leave, could you imagine Biden was at the front line? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, you may maybe see Kamala Harris at the front line in Afghanistan. Could you see that? Did you see Obama at the front line? No, you see Trump at the front line? Fuck out of here. 78 years old leave me alone. Yeah, it's a very admirable thing and if you know, that's a thing if people have always said the number one concern that people have with the military industrial complex is sending young men to die in a war that's unnecessary for profit while you are in an air conditioned office, right?

1:59:43That was During fear and loathing in Las Vegas. Who was it? McGovern? Did McGovern say that? But it was a very powerful speech. It's so I'm tired of Watching these old men in air conditioned offices send young men to die in these unnecessary wars actually if your body if you're willing to be out there too that's a very different thing it's a very different thing I mean some people make the argument that a president should moderate how much they do that because you could die but also wears on it to make compromised decisions in the realm of geopolitics in the realm of war you have to have a bit of coldness if you You really feel the pain of soldiers, you may make unwise decisions.

2:00:37In terms of diplomatic decisions? Yes. In terms of, for example, you've seen a lot of people die, children die. And if you've seen enough, there's the idea of quote unquote, peace is a dirty word. Right. Like, you want justice. Isn't that a problem right now, not just in Ukraine, but also in Gaza? Yeah. I mean, this is the thing that the sheer number of people that die that had nothing to do with it is crazy. It's crazy. I think the most recent estimate, and they don't even know because there's so many people that are under rubble, the most recent estimate was somewhere north of 60 ,000 people and how How many of them are kids?

2:01:27Like what's the number of kids that have been killed by missiles that had done nothing wrong? Like what's that number? And those kids have families. And those kids have mothers and brothers and sisters and some people that lived and some people that died. And whoever makes it out of that, you want to radicalize somebody. You want to radicalize somebody to just want nothing but revenge. I can think of no better way. No better way. And here Donald Trump is tasked with going in there and trying to make peace. I think I'm pretty optimistic about just knowing the skill set of all the people involved in Israel, Palestine and Russia, Ukraine, I'm pretty optimistic about.

2:02:12I can't believe those people, those hostages are still alive. How many of them are still alive now? I don't know what the exact numbers are, but it's crazy that they were not freed sooner. The whole thing is horrible from top to bottom, including all the people that have decided what happened. People that are saying it was definitely a false flag, or these things are complicated. These things are complicated. It's definitely like whenever something horrible happens, someone fucked up, like someone fucked up. Israel is the most protected place on earth. It's one of the most secure countries on earth.

2:02:52For them to let something like that happen is just a huge fuck up. But what I had heard was that there was also a lot of troops that were stationed near where there were protests. So there was a lot of protests about Netanyahu before October 7th happened, which most people aren't even aware of. There was hundreds of thousands of people in the streets protesting Netanyahu before October 7th So then October 7th comes and then you know all sudden now whenever you have any sort of military engagement any sort of you're at war right now When those things happen One of the first things that happens is All the protests and all the bullshit stops because now a bunch of people got killed and when anything like that happens and you are now involved in a countrywide assault on this other country.

2:03:46Everything else gets put aside. And so the big conspiracy fear has always been when a leader knows that they're going to get pushed out, they'll start a false flag or start a war. So they look at October 7th and they say they let that happen. Or they say they had knowledge of it, they knew it was going to happen, but they wanted an excuse to raise Gaza. They wanted to excuse to just have a full -on bombing campaign against the Moss. I mean, you definitely need to look at the incentives there. That is one of the concerns in Ukraine for President Zelensky. The prospects of ending the war, because right now the country is unified.

2:04:26If you end the war and you have elections, now you have to face a lot of the consequences internally about the potential discovery of corruption, about the suspension of democracy see you put all these things and the same thing with Nadineahu, who by the way, also they want to do a three hour podcast with me. I talked to him before October 7th for an hour. I regret talking to him for an hour. One of the things I really learned a lot from you and from just myself, you can't do. One of the things I really don't like what happened with me talking to Donald Trump is like 40 minutes with Donald Trump.

2:05:04Yeah, it it was a mistake. They didn't really there was a I was almost willing to do that with common Harris Well, I was entertaining I was entertaining the 45 minute one I was entertaining because I was like maybe if I could just come in at a 10 to like work my brain up Like really come in and just engage with it real quick. I just wanted to get I wanted to get loose I I don't, the problem is like I want to see how you are as a real person. I think actually genuinely with you and Kamala Harris, I think 45 minutes is horrible, but I think you're so skilled and like compassionate, just like it's fun to talk to you.

2:05:44I think you would just end up being much, much longer. That's the hope. If that's the hope. Yeah. But there would be questions though. And there's some questions that would be very complicated, like the immigration question. Like I would say what's happening. Like what is happening? What do you think that there should be limitations to this? You think it should be stopped, all right? Do you think we should round up all the people that we know that are terrorists that made it across? Are we keeping track of them? Do we know how many? Do we know what happened? Do we know why it happened? Why are people opposed to the idea of cracking down on Border Patrol, making more soldiers available, putting walls up everywhere?

2:06:20Like what is the reason and not do this? Like tell me what you're thinking. And when people start talking about labor, They talked talking about bringing labor and then our population is lower like Chuck Schumer brought that up talk about like We need workers and I'm like, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. What are we saying? We don't Is there is that really what the problem is that Americans aren't willing to do jobs and You you want to bring any illegal people? How about just make legal immigration easier for poor people that are trying to get over here? How would you scan them, screen them, make sure that they're not fucking murderers, make sure that they're not cartel members, and then let them in easier.

2:07:00Like wouldn't that be a better way to do it to vet people? But the idea of not vetting people just doesn't make any sense at all. That would have been a problem. That conversation would have been a problem because it doesn't make any sense at all. And I'm a grandchild of immigrants. I believe in immigration. I think America is the fucking shining light in the world. like if you can get here, you can actually make something happen. There's not a caste system. They actually reward people from you know, start it from the bottom. No, we're here. Like that's a thing here. Oh, that's Drake. He's Canada.

2:07:30But it's that that that's gonna be America soon, right? Yeah, we're gonna take over Canada for sure. Yeah, that needs to happen. Yeah, 51st state. Let's go. Puerto Rico's next. You got to become a real state now. Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico's got a weird thing where you're allowed to not pay taxes, but you can't vote. You know that deal? That's the Peter Schift deal. You don't, yeah, you don't vote, but you don't pay federal income tax. Like, all right, I'm feeling like I think you're going to go to jail some day. I think one day they're going to fucking pull you inside. We changed that rule and you owe us $4 billion in back taxes.

2:08:06You fucking criminal. What are you doing out here? Hang it out on this aisle and just stealing money. But yeah, we definitely need legal immigration the idea of bringing the best people in the world here. But also, Marc Andreessen talks about this. Like we need to make sure we recruit like the Midwest, the farm boys, get them to like do epic shit inside, you know, Americans. Well, here's step one. Ram up the fucking education system. them. Jesus Christ. At what point in time do we not say how far do we have to slip down the list of like the best performing students in the world before someone comes along and says, Hey, the whole thing about this place is if our kids are losers, they're going to grow up to become loser adults, make it way easier to be a winner.

2:09:00What's the best way to do that? Have a way better education system. Just imagine if they completely revamped the education system in the country. Just poured a shitload of money and had the wisest minds come up with a brilliant strategy for more creative ways of approaching learning, pushing people into viable pathways that maybe didn't even exist when the education system was structured, because things have changed so much in the world. You could probably do a way better job than we're doing, which would make people come out of that. They would emerge better qualified people. So we would get more shit done in America.

2:09:38So America would prosper overall. The GDP would grow. The fucking everything would be better. You'd have less poverty. You'd have more. This is that's where they need to start. It's not just letting all the immigrants. How about fix what we got here and then expand that outward? Like make this place the best it can be and then expand that idea out to the rest of the world. So instead of like letting everybody walk here from third world countries because third world countries suck, expand what's better out to the rest of the world. And a big part of that is actually culturally changing, accepting, celebrating, venerating meritocracy.

2:10:19So like the guy in the class, see I, you know, having gone to school in the Soviet Union, like I was good at math and I was actually believe it or not super cool because I guess I was good at math in class when I was like, whoa. Like I was the cool kid because I was good at math. Like I was getting like, in America when I think girlfriend was, yeah, it's not fun, but no, no, no, I think it's wrong. I think they're wrong. I think they're wrong. You should, but I think they're wrong because it's a fastening thing to make fun of the smart kid. It's, I mean, especially math. We have fucking robot over there, science.

2:10:54But actually just, it's all weird. But honestly, even, yeah, I mean in all walks of life, sports is a little better. We do celebrate great athletes, but they're still kind of the participation trophy thing. There's still a kind of sense where we want to help the people that aren't quite as good at a thing. That's only with little kids though. Sports are, but it's not there. Yeah. How little like sports? Once kids get into like the teenage year's sports is a meritocracy. Yes, but culturally do we really say like this is like this is amazing that this person is winning. Yeah We get I want to take you to a Texas football game with Texas.

2:11:38It's definitely Texas. This is what America should be This is what America should be is it all that it should all be fired up, but not just about football no, but all things everything music Here's the problem. Football, like physics. Quarterbacks, get laid. All right, that's a handsome guy. And I'll do a little bit of life. Okay, physicist. Physicist. Physicist. In the Soviet Union, we'll get a lot of pussy. What about Feynman? Well, he got, yes. Yeah, but he's another one. The ones guys were freaks, right? Oppenheimer, you saw the movie. He was a freak. Those guys were studs because they were the smart people and there was a lot of grad students that wanted to fuck the professor.

2:12:15And that was normal stuff back then. But I don't know if they were studs in the general population. They were studs in a way. They were like, look Einstein was a national hero, right? There's no one like that today. There's no one scientist that's a groundbreaking research of theory of relativity where everybody's aware of it. Is there nothing like that today? Well, we celebrate people like maybe like Neil DeGrasse Tyson who are communicators of science. Yeah, but not to the same extent. Like he's criticized way more than Einstein ever was. Einstein was pretty celebrated. It's just, and even Feynman, like for the people that knew him, like he was a cultural figure.

2:12:57He wasn't an obscure name. Like if you brought up Richard Feynman, most people that like watched the news and read newspapers probably know who he is if they were in their 30s. That's not the case today for, you know, say someone who's groundbreaking research with AI or someone who's involved in quantum computing or just a few of these science communicators, you know, Brian Cox, like guys like him were great at it, in terms of like space, you know, and some guys are better at it in terms of like talking about AI or talking about all he does just all the different emerging technologies because there's so many of them, but there's no one person who's like other than Elon, but Elon's like such a unique character.

2:13:41You You can't even, you can't put him in the same categories in Einstein, because he's just like a cultural weirdness. Like, who is this guy? Like, making memes, cracking jokes, dunking on people, telling people to go fuck themselves, buys Twitter. You know, it runs a bunch of different companies, simultaneously, while playing video games constantly. It's like, that doesn't fit in anywhere else. That's like a very unique thing that exists, this Elon Musk guy. Like he's one of the most unique human beings in all of history, but you can't even move to like even the Jeff Bezos who by the way successfully launched the first Rocket yesterday to orbit.

2:14:23Yeah, which is which is incredible amazing even he is gets like I think that that should be That should be venerated sure, but he's not the guy that's making the He's not doing the calculations and designing and engineering the machines, right like Werner von Braun was So it's like what we're fascinated by today is different. It's like we're fascinated by these public figures that talk about the work that's going on, but the people that are actually doing it, there's not like one stand out. Although to say both Jeff Bezos and Elon are legit good engineers, like they to see them on the floor, they know what they're doing.

2:14:59Yeah, for sure, but like the thing about Elon is weird, it's like he's just so many things. You get confused. Like how can you do this? I was talking about possibly buying TikTok. Like, I wonder if they'd go after them if you do that. Would that be like a minute, but, but Bezos or Zuckerberg rather, they bought Instagram, right? So they're Facebook and Instagram, right? And they, like, why couldn't you have TikTok and Twitter? What are you talking about monopoly -wise? Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, I don't think they'll go after them. They're trying to split up Google right now, Alphabet. Really? Like to make maybe Chrome or YouTube its own business, I think there's some argument but like they the crazy thing about YouTube is how effective it is right like YouTube is Just think it's like seems so straightforward.

2:15:48Just have a place where people can upload videos. Okay, that's straightforward Everybody should be able to make one of those by the way. No, there's just one really hard to actually pull that off on the engineering side to be able to like Yeah, just there's there's just no other place like it to be able to post how much data the scale Just the volume and the volume of fucking data that comes into their site every day Yeah, it just and then there's people of course online sort of criticizing YouTube for censorship blah blah blah And I'm like always like they should they should but like hey More people need to be like this this fucking thing exists.

2:16:25It's like Wi -Fi on the airplane Yeah, it's like this is in there's no other platform like YouTube No in terms of like the set of features the community they create the search and discover Do you think Apple regrets having it being one of the first built -in apps on the iPhone? I could have had a lot to do with the growth. Well, definitely dead. I'm sure they didn't make it, but they included it. Right. I'll show Google Maps was to until they made their own. Well, I mean, you probably want to have the best shit on your phone if you want people to buy it. You kind of trapped. Everybody knows YouTube is the best shit.

2:16:57And if you get YouTube on an Android phone natively, instantly, which you can. When you get an Android phone it already has YouTube loaded onto it. Why wouldn't you load it on an iPhone? Everybody uses YouTube you got to pick your battles 2007 though. That's true I don't have three minute videos They probably didn't realize how big YouTube is gonna be right But what they did do that's the sneakyest thing that drives me crazy is the 30 % So like if you start an app on You put an app in the app store the app old store they get 30 % like that's crazy. Because YouTube dominates so much if people get censored, that's really painful.

2:17:36Like that, like that's not. Well, they're so in control of the video market. And you know, I don't envy it. It's gotta be an insane place to try to manage. But it's just kind of wild that no one else has been able to come up with anything even remotely close. You know, if you got rumble, they do really well. but it's like rumbles like a like a very conservative Ivermectin using libertarian sort of space. You know the opposite of blue sky like these guys like. Like exactly, but there's a lot of like left wing shows on rumble. Rumbles essentially like legitimate free free free speech platform. They don't censor left wing views.

2:18:15You know, uh, isn't breaking points? Are they on rumble? I watch them on YouTube. I always think it twitch for a while though was kind of close and then Amazon bought it. Right, right, Twitch was closed. I mean, but then when Amazon bought it, it's something like Twitch kind of disappeared. It's still a thing, but it doesn't make money. It's not profitable. Which I arguably neither is YouTube, but when she wrote it out. But it's not crazy, like if they didn't buy, maybe it would have been, because Twitch was huge. It still is. Really? Yeah, I mean, that's what kids watch. But a lot of kids, they stream everywhere now, right?

2:18:46And there's a bunch of, like, is video games different? That's not. They're like a bunch of different. Twitch became more, it was just in TV and it's kind of reverted back to it now. Like most of the popular stuff is IRL streaming people walking around going places doing the streaming going you know Doing nonsense. It's so weird and so What are the video games streamed on what is everybody? It's still that there's been a few other ones I've tried people like YouTube tried to do it Facebook tried to do it Microsoft tried to do it It didn't work twitch is still I watch video games streams on YouTube Yeah, just a few there Twitter is now tried to do it like the Microsoft one went away YouTube doesn't really advertise the live streaming stuff very well.

2:19:26You can find it. So essentially it's just Twitch for video games. It's dominant for sure. So Twitch didn't go away. I'm just old. So I thought there was a bunch of new ones that were good though. The people were using. It took off. Everyone went back to Twitch after they made use of it. So was that a deal where they get a famous streamer? and they say, hey, we're gonna give you money to come over to this new platform, and then they try to start the platform. Yeah, I met a good idea. You buy everyone to come over and hopefully everyone sticks. Just didn't stick. But just think about the resources you would have to have if you wanted to take on YouTube.

2:20:03Like, look if Elon had decided, like, okay, we need to turn X into the new YouTube. Well, he kind of wants to do that, right? Yeah. Which kind of, what do you want to start a separate app? Because Twitch or excuse me X is still mostly people exchanging information. Mostly exchanging hyperlinks. The closest thing it's to is like TikTok on the video. The short video clips is good. So I could see actually you're buying TikTok. It makes it makes total sense and integrating into X. Yeah. But in terms of long -form content, it's just not quite there because you have to implement all of these features.

2:20:40and it is engineering -wise really difficult to have that much video. We upload hours at a time. Yeah, hours. So think about it. Like each one of our shows is at least two hours, 30 hours mostly. That's so much fucking data. If you're letting everybody do that, how much are you paying for bandwidth? Like what is that like? Because it's free. And then you have to get ads. And you have to put... And then you have to add like, hey, we don't want anybody saying fuck. Oh shit. All right put up a filter get rid of all the fuck so that Paul Moll have concealed their fucking Handsop like whatever it is whoever's getting upset at us.

2:21:21Oh did someone talk about the vaccine? Yeah, you can't get an ad because we're trying to sell vaccine ads So don't be a coxucker don't ruin my giant business that I've created on your data But it is surprising that nobody's built a competitor not even close as I need just shows It's going incredible, the teams are right. Thanks. Well, they nailed it. This is what they did. They made the perfect algorithm to constantly show you things you're interested in. When I go to my YouTube feed, they're right every day. Every day they're right. I'm like, oh, I'm interested in that. Oh, when was that built?

2:21:52Oh, look at that. Oh, is that real? That's what they got me every fucking day. Yeah, I actually tweeted complaining a little bit about YouTube recently, and we had a whole meeting. What were you complaining about? So they have this incredible, I don't want to complain about Wi -Fi and the airplane before seeing the positive. So they have this incredible feature called MLA multi -language audio. I don't know if you know about this, but you could have multiple tracks of audio for a single podcast or video in different languages. So I had to do that for, in the last interview, that's overdubbed into three languages for the different times.

2:22:27Did you use AI to do that or do you hire people? So did both, but in this case, we did AI because of the voice cloning. You want there's something really intimate and powerful about hearing the person speak in that language. And I've just found out that, you know, for example, on audio, people listen to the Zelensky interview. He's dubbed into English. He's speaking Russian or Ukrainian. They listen and they enjoy it. Like they, they, you could see the numbers. you could see how they write to me personal messages, how they, you know, on Instagram stories, they're listening to it in English. Right.

2:23:03And they're able to listen to it for a prolonged period of time, like it's in English. Did you review it and listen to it and make sure the context translates correctly? Yeah. So I should give a shout out to a company called Eleven Labs that do the voice cloning, that do the translation and this, what's called text -to -speech, they're incredible people. not just the products, actually there's certain companies that I work with. Nothing frustrates me more than incompetence and nothing excites me more than competence. Like they're just sweet people. By the way, like, stayed up crazy hours through the holidays.

2:23:39A lot of big companies take like two months off. They're just, you know, they're 9 to 5. They're all very polite. There's a manager of a manager and there's meetings and it's slow and it's this bureaucracy, with 11 labs with a lot of startups, good startups. You have this just vibrancy and kindness and everybody's excited, all that kind of stuff. Anyway, they do the text -to -speech, you have text on the page that you can speak in the Joe Rogan voice. I mean, you're aware of this. So if you wanna translate, you first translate, the transcribe the original language, translate it on the page, and then text the speech, bring it to life in that other different language.

2:24:27The translation step is the tricky one, is the hardest one, where a human should correct and help. I got... I wrote... Well, I mean, we had very little time to do this. We had to do it really rapidly. But you get into trouble. So for example, he said... How much time did you have? I don't remember the exact number of days, but probably five or six days to do everything. So in three languages. In three languages, and he and I did the asshole thing, which is we kept switching languages sentence to sentence. Oh, no. Because we kept, and he was wearing Russian mid -sentence. So of course, the translator was like sweating because most of the sentence is Ukrainian, and then he says fuck, or go fuck his war lot.

2:25:13Like, you know, that part would be in Russian, the swear. So you have to catch all of that, you have to not make mistakes. And some of it, there was AI in the loop, we had to figure out, because nobody really has done this kind of thing before. So we had to figure it all out. And mistakes can be made when you're Russian like this, rushing like this. Like I just did. By the way, me saying that could be transcribed into me saying Russian and like that. So for example, we said he was talking about corruption, sensitive topic, he said something like anybody who we caught doing something with the weapons or being corrupt, we would beat the exact term is beat them on the hands.

2:26:03He was speaking Ukrainian, which in Ukrainian means we'll crack down on them. That was automatically translated to slap them on the wrist. Which makes sense as a direct literal translation. Beat them on the hand, slap them on the wrist, make sense. And I didn't catch it. I'm not sleeping. I'm reading it. I speak all the languages. I'm trying to figure out this puzzle. We didn't catch it. And then of course, a lot of people got really mad. They spoke up. that the internet in general is like how can you translate this? Are you, of course, it must be because I'm a Putin -shell, and getting funded, and I'm not translating.

2:26:46But yeah, that's, you say, it's very, there could be sensitive moments, like you had a lot of really high profile figures here, there could be sensitive moments if translated, could do a lot of damage. On the flip side, it makes it accessible, especially for important conversations, it makes it accessible to people that really need to hear it. Why were you under such a time constraint? right? Because the the seriousness of the conversation, like the every single day, there's major missile launchers. So did you just you didn't have a five day dead lawn, you just it took you five days to do it? Yes.

2:27:21And the I don't want to sort of put it on them, but the president Zelensky's office was asking like, when was the possible? They were really pushing it and they were implying probably correctly that there's just going to be a lot of dynamic stuff Happening on the on the piece negotiations So he wanted to use this as a statement and the same because you know The Kremlin watched it so everybody's watching it and like it's part of the puzzle pieces that they're using to figure out when Are we going to meet when are we going to what are going to be the outlines of a of a treaty? You have to take it very seriously.

2:28:03But then I've learned a lot because you need to probably hire more and trust everybody involved and turn it around much quicker. You know me, but in terms of production, everything, the team is one person. And then there's now folks helping with editing, but it's a tiny team. There's no. And so for things like this you have to take it seriously. You have to like maybe have like a special Special force team that kind of steps up right helps reg a group of people that are translators. You could Really count on to get it right because a lot of them view it But you would want to have to personally review it anyway 100 % but that you want the translators you trust to do a good job And one of the things we learned really quickly is you can't just get any translator there are I mean translations in art It truly is and like people were they were translating it.

2:29:01It's like open my comedy Right, it really like right right like you think Even the same joke in the mouth of different comics would just be way different right the way they were translating it was cold They were missing the points. They were not ashamed the context of the AI. Where's genius? Yes. Yeah, but the translation piece of the AI is still, needs the human in the loop. It needs the human to fix it. And how does the human emphasize emotion? Like if he has a specific intonation, if the way he's like, he's talking about, how does the, how does AI know how to say the words in translation and which ones to emphasize?

2:29:47So this is where 11 labs is really incredible. but it uses the actual words to figure out the intonation. So the translation of the words? Or the original word hearing the word? No, it's always working on the text. So let's just stick with English for now. Before we say translation. Text on the page.

2:30:10I have a twice in a half speech here. Every gun that is made, every worship launched, every rocket fire signifies. is that feels like a serious thing. Like we can probably infer how to read that. If I gave you that text, you would infer the heaviness of the timing and AI is pretty good at doing that, not perfect. And you can, I Jeff, you delivered that speech like Hitler.

2:30:34Like I wanna know, like how are they getting that, like when, would yell about stuff and then they had a translation of it in English. And so are they doing it off text or they're doing off the sound of the like when he's saying the words and translating it because then you would know he's conveying a certain amount of emotion or are they editing it in post and saying he's got to be louder here he's yelling or is a human involved in that? Yes, a human involved in every part of that so they're setting the hyperparameters of like how yeah like how loud is it how like dynamic it is they can they can change all of that and they can and change specific, they can basically generate like five different options for the sentence.

2:31:20And then that's so crazy. But that is an art form, right? Yeah. But it really is so crazy that we're not gonna be able to tell if you said something. Yeah. Like we're kind of there. There's real cheap ones of me selling everything. I see it all the time on Instagram. Like, you know, different rappers and country western songs and go to this, go to this restaurant. like you just generate them from AI, but you can still kind of tell. But then I've seen some ones. I'm sure you've seen that one of the one guy where it's a completely AI generated thing, voice and everything and he's talking and he's telling you, like, this is completely AI generated and you probably can't believe this, but it's true.

2:32:01He's explaining how it's done and it's nuts. It's so realistic. And I mean, I should say like for my experience with this Lenski conversation, it's dubbed into all these languages, is dubbed into English. he's speaking Ukrainian and Russian. There's a lot of people, like I've seen this, that think he's speaking English, just because it's so close. Right. It's his voice. It's crazy. And so like, now I have this responsibility. Here I am with my fucking exhausted, sleep deprived, translating like his exact words. I could put whatever words in his mouth. Like I could have the slap on the wrist thing.

2:32:36I, you know, let me just take responsibility. I guess I fucked up, you know, it's three hours. It's very tough to like, but like I could have, you know, put it in like I like dicks in there Just throw it in there, you know, just for fun. Yeah, that's kind of crazy, right? Yeah, and it's out and there's a lot of people that believe like Okay, this is what he's saying right so I mean there's a huge responsibility with that and they think that's why people trust a Particularly podcasting someone like you're not going to fuck with that Responsibility right, you're very aware of it And you take it very seriously.

2:33:13Yeah, but it's still hard to decide who and how to talk to. It was really, really difficult to think through the Zalansky conversations, difficult to think about whether to talk to Putin or not and how to talk to him. It's difficult to think about Benjamin Netanyahu to talk to him after October 7th. It's one of the most universally hated people on the planet now. Right. And it's like, okay, so how do you talk to him? And what do you get him to say about the innocent people that have been killed? But he has a certain perspective, which I should say that a lot of people inside Israel probably support.

2:33:48I mean, I should also say not now, but earlier in Qatar, when the Hamas was in Qatar, they were interested in doing a podcast. the members of Hamas who are not in hiding, so the representatives were interested in doing a podcast and they were decided not to because it's like everyone knows what Hamas is. It's almost like easy. Why not do a podcast? But it was like, well, that just feels, I mean, your platforming hate there that's in a way where you can't properly dissect and present and analyze and push and pull. You can't criticize them. You're not going to be in a position where you can criticize them.

2:34:36Well, I should say in Qatar, it's safe. What's up? Well, in Qatar, it's safe. So there I could criticize. In fact, one of the ways I would imagine talking to Hamas is pushing them, but actually pretty hard. In that case, I would actually push hard, and they would probably, because a lot of them are kind of just a pretty shallow and insane, so they would just get really angry. There would be real anger. They would not come off as good. One of the fears talking to dictators is just the charisma. like they would, you know, my opening statement to Netanyahu was, you know, a lot of people hate you.

2:35:19When I talk to him, I know, because a lot of people were protesting outside. There's a lot of people that hate you. What do you get to say? What do you have to say to those people? Right? That's an opening thing. He says, like, he said something like, Everybody loves me. I just gave a talk in Iran and 20 million people Listen to me and they love me. So that's just like so how do you? Talk to a person where the reality is like well no no there's people that love you Primadist and then yeah, what if there's quite a lot of people outside? They don't love you. What did you expect him? when you brought that up, do you have expectations?

2:36:02Which expect them to say? I expected for him to analyze where that hate comes from, to start to empathize, fake or not, to understand that perspective. And to understand the perspective maybe of the Palestinians or the gossens that hate him. And then maybe make the case of Israel, like after steel manning the Palestinian case, say, well listen, we're like this tiny country that everybody's shooting rockets at, then make the case for Israel, the historic case, the military case, the geopolitical case. But he didn't, there was like, everybody loves me. Geez. But in that answer, he's like, think he really believed that?

2:36:45Yeah, he believed it, he's locked in. Locked in. But, or, I mean, he's complicated, he's just so, that was definitely a wall. How much more time does he have in power? I mean, that's a it's a consistent minute by minute thing. He As long as he is being elected and It's the same question for Zelensky. How long does he have in power? It's the same question when when is Israel have their elections again? Are they doing that while they're in the middle of this conflict? I'm not deeply familiar with like the dynamics of it, but I think they can have elections at any time like there's a there's coalitions I think it's a bunch of countries have this kind of thing.

2:37:29So I think there's elections coming up. There might be a martial law type of situation, I'm not exactly sure, but it's basically under constant internal political pressure where he can lose power. Are you aware at all of his political opponents? Yeah, there's a bunch of people. Well, I mean, they have to walk a tight rope because there is a lot of fear and anger inside of Israel. Now, like you said, after October 7th, there's like an existential fear when the whole assumption of Israeli people was that this kind of attack cannot possibly happen with Iron Dome and the defenses. And so you have a more, there's more room in this capacity to elect more radical people that are more right wing, they're more aggressive, they're more militaristic.

2:38:24Well, this is why one of the big reasons why people love to dive into the false flag narrative, because they find it incentive for people to allow something to take place, because if you allow something to take place and you sacrifice a certain percentage of your population, you have now new rules and you have much more power and you have a society that's behind you now, because there's a reason why they want to fight. And this is why, anytime there's anything that ever happens, there's a bunch of people that think it's a false flag. A bunch of people think 9 -11 was a false flag. And then there's real ones that we know about, like Operation North Woods, didn't happen, but they really did sign the Joint Chiefs of Staff signed a proposal where they wanted to blow up American airliner and blame Cuba.

2:39:14We wanted an arm Cuban friendlies in an attack guantanamo bay and they wanted to invade Cuba under false pretenses of a false flag. We really do stuff like that. Look, it's a, and I say by we, I mean humans, humans and powers. Nero burned Rome, like Hitler burned a Reichstag. There's false flags that they they create these situations to force people to fight. And that's a real thing. But it's also, it's also like, people could caught with their pants down too. So it's hard to know what's what. It's hard to know what's what. But the same organization that did the whole Pedro thing, the sophisticated intelligence, required for that, somehow missed an obvious breach of a...

2:40:05Right. and they were worn by Egypt. The whole thing is very, very, very, very tragic. Jamie, just good request. Are you tracking the Starship launch? I know you want to watch. We've got five minutes, I think. Four minutes. It's 3 .56 right now. So, uh, the Lens just... Yeah, I know you do. America. We're gonna wrap it up with that. Is it launching live? Yeah, it's live. Yeah, yeah. That's hope it doesn't blow up. That's all. What if it blows up while we're watching? I don't think at this stage blowing up, I mean it would be really awesome if it doesn't blow up if it flies and then it's caught by the...

2:40:44In 13 minutes. In 13 minutes. Okay, we got time. Jamie, keep an eye on it. At this time, I mean it's called Starship Test 7 for a reason. Right. You want to let us... Blow a few up every now and again. So follow what the tolerance is. It is nice for Jeff Bezos to succeed on the first try. Like the first one is really important because there's a lot of skepticism goodness even be done Uh -huh with the new Glenn rocket, but and now Bayzo's Neil on a homies again. Home is they're expressing platitudes on Twitter. Yeah, they're gonna sit together at the inauguration What do you mean? I'm trying to check something.

2:41:23I'm not finding the right video Okay, no worries. Where should I go because I tried typing SpaceX and uh, yeah, be really careful just find the official SpaceX channel or you can go on X. Yeah, go on X. It's going to be a bunch of bots selling you crypto if you're not careful.

2:41:43Don't go on porn hub, that's a different one. You can't go on porn hub in Texas. You got an intering population of human rights. That's what I'm saying. Are you going to the inauguration? Perhaps, are you? Unfortunately, yeah. Really? Unfortunately, socializing, all the socializing. Oh, you're doing it on purpose for work? No, I just, no, this, I've never, I never go out to things for work. I don't work. It's more like, I felt like it's an opportunity, like to meet people. No, like you would regret if you didn't go. Like it's a historic, it's a historic moment. And also George St. Pierre said he's gone.

2:42:23Oh, okay. I think Gordon's gone too. Yeah, it's a very different thing this time around. People are very hopeful with him as president now, which is very different than in 2016. 2016 is like this existential crisis that the media just blasted into everybody's head. I think enough time has passed, and enough faith has been lost in the media that people have sort of woken up out of that and realized like we can't keep going the way we're going. I hope the good vibes continuing, General, like that, the politicization of everything will not escalate quickly here. It's possible. It's possible. Even the inauguration itself, yeah, like I hope, I hope they're not, it's not a divisive event, it's more of an inspiring event.

2:43:11Well, it's going to be divisive with some people. There's no getting around that. Some people just their psychology, like that lady in the pink that was yelling. The lady that said that Pete Hexet said that when he really didn't say it just published it. Someone else wrote it. This is 37 minutes. 37. And we don't have that kind of time. This just went live so it doesn't say anything. Just a big old space X. And there it is. Is that it? Sit in there chilling. I'm trying to double check most of the they all say 37 minutes and counting. Wow. No, I see. Who's Felix? These are just channels. This is.

2:43:45Oh, so a bunch of different channels are growing. There's tons of channels with it. So I'm trying to find the most accurate for real one because someone could be live streaming. I think one what are they live streaming though? Yeah, there's this stuff. That's a space like have its own page. So that's I just type I just went to live on YouTube This is where my wife was bringing up with twitch like it's hard to find So live this space X having a count that's when I typed it in that's when he was bringing up You start getting all sorts of crazy shit and I get like space all these weird. That's not them That's not them space X live that's that would not they would put that in their official account Oh, wow.

2:44:22You know what? SpaceX might have just closed their YouTube channel. I'm guessing like because they want to do it on X. Yeah, that makes sense. So I went to there and that's why it's so weird. Oh, how weird. How weird. We went up three minutes ago. So it's just a bunch of fakers. Just coming on. Pretending to be SpaceX. Well, SpaceX live. Like that. You're not SpaceX. Yeah. Trick in me and looking at your channel. They're boosting the algorithm. I guess. You know, so this is it. This is an older one. Oh, this is old. And some of them every day astronaut is really great. I recommend people stream them.

2:44:55He's a great. Wait, I feel like have you talked to him? I'm not exactly sure. But he was a he went after Bart. What is his name Bart? Symbol. Yeah. Yeah. Did he? He's really, I mean, and not one after I should say. Just he's an opportunity to educate like he like has this really long. I'm gonna get two of them in the same room. Yeah, for sure. That's what he wants. He keeps being on my case, like I wanted to bait him. Did you ever have barbed on your podcast? No, but barbed wants to bait him. I was like, do I want this? Right. Of course he do. Not shut the fuck up, do it. I think there's a, yeah.

2:45:34It's something that happened in the past. Like what are we gonna learn from it? Say it was completely fake, right? What's the, I would rather focus on modern day conspiracies? What you don't want to know if they fake the moon land. Are you crazy? No, I do want to know but like okay To me how does your life change a lot a lot? Okay, this is how yeah because you know that government is able to do government is able to fake the fucking moon landing and to get people to shut Their mouths and a bunch of people disappeared Yeah, the stories not stood. Yeah, do you know the story about God? What was his name?

2:46:11I don't remember but he was a journalist What was he assigned to do although I got murdered signed to do an audit of NASA and he wrote a hundreds of pages and His analysis this was like 1964 65 66 somewhere around then so it was years before the moon landings God I can't remember his fucking name I used to have this shit at the tip of my tongue, but he parked his car with his family in an on -trained track and it trained smash their car and the document was never retrieved. It was vanished. He went away. Bye -bye. And then a few years later, everyone's on the moon. I wonder what kind of... Gaskarishum, the pilot of Apollo 1, the guy that burned alive in that thing.

2:47:08He hung a lemon on that thing saying that it would never work. They couldn't communicate with the tower How's this thing supposed to get us to the moon and I guy? You know people his family believes he was murdered for that There's a lot of weirdness in the moon landing buddy See Tim Dodd if they really did pull it off Yeah, and then all these people are cuck in for the fucking government of the 1960s. It's kind of hilarious Wait, they pulled off the faking the faking yeah So Tim Dodd everyday astronaut apparently has an answer to all of this. Yeah, he's a what's his answer to the Van Allen radiation belt?

2:47:43There is an answer. I'm not this is I'm not gonna turn this debate. I don't To cute one whatever it is The answer that you have to be cute like to to send people through thousands of miles of intense radiation and have no Biological animal that you've ever done that to that's come back alive and just let's try it on people So let me try to convince you as an agent of the massage and the CIA. I don't, I think, okay, this is from me looking at Wikipedia for about five seconds. So I thought the belt is not all the way around so you can go around the belt. No, you can get through the top and the bottom, but you have to fly out of Antarctica.

2:48:26Right. And you really can't do that. And then the way we did it, we had to go through it. And we had to go through it. I think it's for a couple hours. Maybe it's possible. And maybe we're gonna find out soon, right? Uh, hopefully, unless they go through Antarctica. Um, there's, so it's like a donut. That's what it is. The intense band of radiation is like a donut. Uh, apparently the actual model radiation is not that intense. I mean, I guess speaking as a massage agent, it depends on who you're asking. Van Allen thought it was pretty fucking intense. And also there was the operation starfish primed.

2:49:02Do you know about that? Operation starfish primed, they were trying to blow a hole through the radiation belt. So they launched nuclear weapons into space and detonated them and had the opposite effect. And like supercharged the radiation belt made it more radioactive. Yeah. Operation starfish primed. Google that. It's temporary, the one that, what's that? I think it was temporary. Like it just dissipated over. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's right. No, he's right. But I mean like when they measured it When they measured it was like way more radiation. They didn't blow a hole through it at all.

2:49:36They fucked it up They super -trucked it But just the fact that they were trying to do that they were trying to blow up Nuclear weapons in space like if I was the aliens that's when I would start showing up like look at these fucking assholes Hi altitude nuclear test. What what are people doing not only that it shut off the power at Hawaii? If fuck Hawaii up, Hawaii had like a brown out. Like these guys in psychopaths. Can you imagine sitting in a table with a bunch of generals and this guy comes in with a cigar? I want to launch a fucking Nuke in space. I want to see what happens. I just want to see what happens.

2:50:14You don't want my favorite one of those is the very first detonation of the very first nuclear bomb. There was a non -zero chance that that bomb was going to destroy the entire atmosphere of the Earth. Just imagine what that feels like, right? Yeah, and they were like, let's see. Let's see. Boom! Nope, we're still here. They're reasonably sure that it wasn't going to do that. But you know, you've never done that before. Who knows? And there's a lot of people asking the question of like in the war in Ukraine where their Putin is willing to use even tactical nuclear weapons just to statement. That's an open question.

2:50:50It is an open question. And it's like a terrifying possibility. I think we, I think, generationally have forgotten what nuclear weapons are. Right. Like, most people think it's like a fun tech talk meme. Right. Right. The mushroom clock and just, and then what happens next? What do you want? Two back and forth, back and forth. Now everything's gone. Everything's gone like that. And that's why I'm excited about Starship launches, because the backup, the backup, the look out of here. I love it. sex cult on Mars. No, I prefer the sex cult. Right, but if you had to be a person who lived and Earth was gonna blow, you'd probably try it.

2:51:33You'd say, listen, maybe we can maybe I'm gonna be the fucking David Crockett of Mars and then years from now this would be a mall. And everybody remember when Lex came over on the rocket. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's really, it is exciting to see what kind of society is formed on Mars? Even just like 100 people, 1000 people, 10 ,000 people, 100 ,000 people. What are the prospects of terraforming? Because the problem is Mars is too far from the sun. Like it's just not warm enough. Like so what are they gonna do in terms of oxygen? And do you know Terrence Howard, the actor? You know Terrence Howard's theory?

2:52:11It's got a great theory. It's a really interesting theory. He thinks that all solar systems, that instead of it being like a collection of debris from the outer galaxies, it's that too, but what it really is is the sun is ejecting matter. And we know that, right? So, after millions and millions of years of sun ejecting matter, the matter coalesces and becomes a planet. As it gets further and further from the Sun, it becomes more hospitable to life. As it gets into that Goldilocks zone where Earth is, it peoples. And then he thinks that this is happening all throughout the galaxy. That planets get to a certain stage and then they people.

2:52:56And then those planets are slowly going to move further and further out of a way further, and get colder and colder. And it's up to these creatures to figure out how to get the fuck out of there before it becomes inhospitable, and that's where the advanced civilizations come in. And this is why he thinks the most advanced civilizations are on the planets of the furthest from the sun, because they're ones who've adapted and figured out a way to exist off of some other form of energy other than just sunlight. Well does he have an idea about which planets and our solar system might be people? Probably used to be Mars.

2:53:30Mars. Still or no? Oh no, there's nothing on there now. I mean it's not possible. But there could have been a lot of atmosphere. There could be life there. No, there's water there. There could be, well, there's probably some sort of bacterial life, right? There's probably, the real question is, is there any evidence that there was other life? Like think about how difficult it is for us to find like dinosaur bones, right? Like dinosaurs have to become a fossil. It's like the very complicated process. They have to die in mud or something. They have to get covered up and then they calcify. And if you don't know when you get a fossil, the bone that's fossilized, it's not really that bone.

2:54:07What it is is it's been remineralized by all the earth elements. And so it's it's kind of a different thing but it's in the shape of the bone. That's fossilized bone. And what if you're talking about like 30 million years, 50 million years, a hundred million years, 200 million years, A billion years would have Mars a billion years ago had life on it. What would be left? Nothing that mean in that case nothing what would be left like earth is four point something billion years old right? How old's Mars do we know how old Mars? Yeah, that's good estimate. I guess Mars older. I believe it's older Yeah, so that's pretty similar Right when did the solar system start forming see these are just wild guesses by a bunch of fucking four and four point five billion.

2:54:57A bunch of egg heads with wild guesses. I'm going with Terence Howard. I think he's right. I think it was what a brilliant idea though. I'm offended you called him an actor. He could be a mathematician physicist. He's a lot of things. Brilliant guy. His conversation with Eric Weinstein and you was just as art. It was a good conversation. Some conversations are art. Yeah, that was a good one. Because he's a good guy. He's a good guy and Eric's a very good guy the way he handled it. You know, he used stern and very clear and obvious that who is right, but very kind and very friendly, which is a quality that aircasts.

2:55:35Like the ability to do that, especially when you're talking about something that's so incredibly complex and esoteric. You know, like you're talking about like super complicated math and he's showing it to him. Do you know how to do this? When you're showing on the board, you can tell he does know how to do this is like let me explain how this works and then you realize like oh boy self -taught you know this is the thing like well there's a lot of brilliant people that just don't get the correct education but they're still brilliant yeah the raw horse powers there yes the raw horse powers there yeah but I think this theory that he has about planets people I find it so fascinating I couldn't stop thinking about it for days I was like I think he's right yeah I mean we're going find out.

2:56:18Like even if you discover bacteria on Mars, that's kind of a change of everything. I'm convinced that there's alien life throughout the even the galaxy, but that's a really open question and most people don't think so. You know what I think? I don't think it gets passed where we are very often. I think it probably fucks up a lot. I think it's too difficult to harness the power of the sun while you're a tribal monkey and not blow yourself up or fuck things up horribly or just get involved in natural disaster seed and adequately prepare for. I mean we're still not prepared at all for asteroid impacts.

2:57:01I mean yeah, you're a young addressing back there. Yeah, it's very recent. Yeah, and also super volcanoes. We're not prepared at all. If we have a super volcano of Yellowstone blows, which it's gonna, one of these is gonna, one of the big ones is gonna blow. They just do. They might blow 100 ,000 years from out my blow next week that they fucking happen and we're not prepared. We're not prepared for that. If you just look at the LA Fire Sgt. Drop like, do you imagine the chaos that's going to be created? Oh, and imagine the LA Fire Sgt. With no fire department. Right. Okay. Imagine that. Imagine that there's no one out there trying to put that fire out.

2:57:34That would be fucking insane. And, you know, I think civilization has probably gone through a gang of those before. I think Graham Hancock as much as he gets criticized, I think he's onto something. I think Randall Carson is as well. I think they're onto something. I think that's probably the end of the ICA, just probably asteroid impacts. There's too much physical evidence that corresponds with the timeline for it to be ignored. I mean, it's a pre -accepted theory now, the younger drives the impact there. It's just like what happened during that time and what existed before that time and all the stuff that we see a few thousand years later Is that a reimagining of civilization out of complete and utter chaos?

2:58:15I think it might be and it might be one of the reasons why we're so fucking barbaric It might be that our Ancestors were the ones who survived the most horrific time in history Where we got hit by asteroids and civilization just evaporated instantaneously millions of people probably instantaneously died We were left with chaos in a completely different climate places that were covered in ice are now raging rivers. The whole thing is fucked. All the animals are dead. Most people you know that are anywhere near the impact or dead. People get washed away in the floods entire civilizations just instantaneously flooded and destroyed.

2:58:56That could happen again. That could happen again tomorrow. That could happen again next month. We're in the shooting gallery. We're in the shooting gallery of the universe. And I bet that's pretty common. So I bet the race is to try to get intelligent enough that you can do all these different things, but also intelligent enough that you abandon these ancient primal instincts that you have. And that's where we're at the cusp of that. We're at the cusp of our tribal chaos mixed in with impossible knowledge. And it's all happening at the same time. And so this is wild race that's going on. And people like you and people like me and people that are hopeful, we hope we get it right.

2:59:44We hope we get it right. But we might not get it right. And I think out there in the universe, I think it's probably more likely that people don't get it right than do get it right. And if they do get wiped out, I mean, we got the total volcano. We got down somewhere around 70 ,000 years ago to a few thousand people on earth. What are those motherfuckers like? Like Jesus Christ. Those are our ancestors. Those people must have been brutal. Well, that's one of the things I've just seen, even on the smaller scale of the war in Ukraine, is, you know, your house or the city gets destroyed, and people adapt immediately.

3:00:24Like the tough people rise up. Like it changes you immediately. There's a resilience to the human spirit. It's crazy. You can adjust. So, if an asteroid hits Earth, like the United States, you know, let's say 70 % of people dead. You get an unlocked power that, like, your character in the video game has. Yeah. I mean, this is where the people in Texas immediately become the valued commodity versus, like, I don't know, people in Silicon Valley or something. Yeah. Technology doesn't matter. None of that matters. Survival matters. Individual, radical individualism matters. And that's one of the things that gives me community matters Local look very local you go to band together, but like it's really is attention of because it's not collectivism It's not like right so governments that rely on central authorities Fall apart from that kind of thing well a 100 % any natural disaster government like a real big one like an asteroid impact It's gone.

3:01:22No the government doesn't do anything anymore the useless power goes out for a month. They're gone everybody's gone. It's any man from self, no one's protecting you from outlaws. You're seeing that already in the California fires. There's gangs of kids, hundred at a time, breaking in the houses and looting them in the middle of these evacuation zones. You're seeing chaos. They can't protect you from that if something happens. And this is something we're not prepared for. We're spending so much time doing other things and not recognizing the incredible vulnerability that our society has. This very fragile system that we put in place, that's so much better at any time in human history.

3:02:05This is the best time to be alive ever by far. And it's so fragile. And we don't think it's fragile, because the power stays on. And one of the things you know, just having traveled across the world, like the thing that really America stands out with, and why I'm excited about what's happening now, is the radical individual freedom. I think the freer the country is, the individual, back to the Jenga's Khan with the freedom of practice religion, the freer the people are, the more resilient they are to the terrorists, the catastrophes of the world. They just respond they're much more dynamic, the more centralized and collectivist society as the more you're susceptible to corruption, to this kind of propaganda that you're not able to respond to even like the pandemic, the government is not able to do that.

3:02:58The fountries of the world will always emerge. Right. It's not even, say even fountry wanted to do the right thing or something. It's just, it's very, it's impossible for the centralized authorities to do the right thing. You have to have a distributed, you have to put much more weight on the freedom of the individual. That's a really important thing that you just said. It's impossible for the centralized authorities to do the right thing. Really almost is if they want to do their job. That's why Doge, I mean there's a lot of problems there. Yeah. You want to decrease the power, the size and the bureaucracy of the federal government.

3:03:33You want them to be mobile agile, small, efficient, and distributed to the state or to just the small companies, the companies. Now about stop going after the American people. How about that too? Wish part. I mean every part. All sorts of things. All sorts of things. you know, attacking people, what's happened with this country because of January 6th and their version of it and what actually happened, then, you know, the FBI did with the Twitter files, with influencing things, what they did with Facebook, where they contacted and were taken, telling them to take down memes. Can I actually just say about that?

3:04:16I don't know if he gets enough credit, but I think what Mark Zuckerberg did in Pakistan this is actually, it may not seem that way, but it's courageous. I think it's courageous. I think you had to do it too. I think it's both things. But internally, he's running a gigantic company. He's running a gigantic company, but also, this is the way things are rolling. Like, you either get in the way and get rolled over or you get on board. And if you want your company to succeed in today's day and age and not be disdained and universally, whether it's, whether people boycott it, or people just start hating on the stock drops, like, if a new thing that's like Facebook, because Facebook is, although it's so common, it's one of those ones you could do without, kind of.

3:05:06It doesn't have the kind of information, gathering aspect that X does. Like, if I want to find out what's going on in the world, I go to X. Facebook's not like that. It's like people talking about stuff and posting videos and things like. I mean, there's also what's happening. That one could take a hit. That could take a big hit if people just decided like, fuck you and your censorship. And I think more people are inclined to say, fuck you and your censorship now than ever before. So it's a good business decision to stop censoring people. And the community notes thing is fucking genius. It's the greatest invention ever.

3:05:39In terms of like the ability to find out what's right or what's wrong. Let's let people post things and it was not true. Enough people report it. People look at it and go, oh, it turns out that's not true at all. And here's why it's not true. That's, that's huge. It's huge. It's funny when Elon gets community noted too. He gets community noted. It's so great. It's so great. Yeah, you get community noted, son. Everybody does. But it's the best way. It's the best way to find out what's real and what's not real. But then it's also like, you know, should you let people on your platform that are just fucking straight up Nazis and trying to recruit people.

3:06:16Should you let horrible racism exist on your platform? The problem was that slippery slope, man. If you say no, then other people are going to decide. You remember Punch -A -Nazi, what people are saying you should punch a Nazi? Like Kurt Metzger was, he was like, who the fucking gets to say who's a Nazi? If it was just like a guy, you know, running a gas chamber, yeah, punch a Nazi. But it was just some guy who doesn't think that a trans woman should be competing against his daughter in high school sports. Like that's not a Nazi. Like you've changed the term. I think the slippery slope is important.

3:06:56There's people like Paul Adurov who's running telegram and he was, you know, Europe, of a resident piece is going after him for like, you got arrested? Yeah, well, because there is legitimate terrorists talking to each other on telegram, but like what's the alternative? But if it's an encrypted app, how are you gonna stop it? How are you gonna stop? If it really is encrypted, if they can't read it, right? Like this is WhatsApp. If you use WhatsApp, if you and I message each other on WhatsApp, no one can read it but us. Yeah, but the government wants the back door. That's what they wanted. would tell you, but that's crazy because you could use that backdoor in all kinds of ways.

3:07:34Right. Like they use that backdoor for signal. That's how they found out that Tucker Carlson was talking to Putin's people about setting up an interview. He was like, we know you did it on signals. Tucker's like, I didn't even know you could do that. That's what Tucker says. So Tucker's lying. How do you? It's not lying. You son of a bitch. You are a Russian plant. No. Yeah. I'm a son and Russian. Yes, for sure. All of them. I love them. You got a meeting bro. I see what happens. I'll see what they do with that goat You're gonna talk or so they read his signal well, it's very possible Put technology.

3:08:11I'm not sure how it's possible to do that. I mean, I'm supposed that But the way it's been explained to me is even though your phone is encrypted. It's not encrypted Do you like you see it right you see as much as you it's encrypted peer -to -peer right? So if they can just see your phone So all they have to do is screen or 100 % everything. Yeah, 100%, not just screen recording. Get access to your phone. Find out all your contacts, all your emails, but all your passwords, all your notifications, end time didn't crypt as it's difficult. I mean, it's possible, it's difficult. But it's not through signal.

3:08:42If you're going through the phone, so if you're using Pegasus, you're just compromising the entire phone. If signals on that phone, you know the password's already, you go into signal, you can go into anything. Oh, in that way. Yeah, you have access to the phone. But that's right. That's that's legitimate hacking right, but this is what they're doing right like That's not what they want to tell them they want to legitimately like full on back door But Gavin DeBecker is playing this to me. He said with with Pegasus one you needed to click a link Right, there's this this is the Jeff Bezos thing someone sent him a bad link on WhatsApp He clicked it they had access to his phone.

3:09:18They are compromising information on him With Pegas to they just need your phone number So they got your phone number boom they're in your phone that's it and so if that's the case if you have a a An app like signal like I would assume they could read your signal That's like right there on your phone like if you already got the phone open And they've got a compromise where they can get into your into your phone That's actually by the way. Why you know, I'm going to Ukraine going to Russia going back to Ukraine Try to get your phone hacked Well, I also try to make sure like dick picks that I sent to you into Dylan aside.

3:09:57I try not to there's nothing to hide Right. Do you have a burner? Do you get a burner phone? Do you bring what you go overseas? You bring a real phone? I wouldn't tell you. Bro, that phone is hearing everything we say. Yeah, for sure. For sure. What are we saying that we need to hide? I mean, there's some embarrassing things for sure like, you know, drunk texts.

3:10:18wrong. Yeah, I mean from the past I'm some shit from the past. I'm so glad I grew up when I did. Oh my god imagine if you were 15 with a phone you could take a picture of your dick. So somebody um somebody so there's like a hit piece on me. It's fine. Great. Wonderful. I love you all right some more. But this journalist found like some shit poetry I wrote. Oh no. I mean it when you're young. Yeah, well, it might have been late 20s early 30s. So it's not like there's not even excuse that you're not that young. It just sucked. It just sucked. Yeah. And then I was just reading it because they they know how to get who is this article for?

3:10:57Because for the person running it, they want to hate on you. And it's clicks. And yeah, popular. So they want to hate on you by attacking your shitty poster. Oh, it's hilarious because like well they got you you gave a little rope. Yeah, and I'm you with it. But like what I'm saying is that's not a big deal The bigger deal is like if you grew up with that like so there's like shit You said when you're 14 or 15 or 16. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, even the piece like you know that that stuff like the article all that kind of stuff You can even I mean one of the big things we have to do is allow people to evolve and just say you know Yeah, that was shit poetry.

3:11:30Well, I'm still horrible. I'm worse at poetry now But like that was embarrassing that I would be publishing I think that these people that attack almost all of them are leftists And I think leftism is a religion Just like being a Christian is religion in that there's like a there's a way that you Approach it mark Andrewsons says the best he was describing that it has all the attributes of occult And I think people have a default system in their mind, we all do, that we fall into, that gives us like a religious like adherence to some ideas. And the thing that this cult is lacking, which is paramount, Christianity is for kiveness.

3:12:15There's no road to redemption. Everyone is ostracized and kicked out. And what you wind up doing is you wind up cannibalizing your own thing. You can never be left enough. There's always crazy people that are like far to the end of it and every ideological group gets defined by its most extreme members. That's why I've been people think about far right people. Who do you think you the worst people? You think of like people who want war, war mongers, assholes, stupid people uneducated. That's what people think of when they think of like the worst. They think of like white nationalist. That's what they think of when they think of far right.

3:12:49So you can kind of like you flavor everything else in the group by the worst members of the group. And if you don't have forgiveness in your religion, like you have a fucking terrible religion. If you don't have a path to redemption and you want extreme adherence to dogma, even if like even if whatever this idea with this ideology that you're pushing is like clearly, clearly destructive to a bunch of humans. That's what they're dealing with. It's like people fall in the thought patterns, man. The most people are too busy to formulaize their own opinion. So they develop opinions to sort of merge with the people that they're in touch with all the time.

3:13:28And if you get stuck in one of those fucking woke hives, like you're basically surrounded by mentally ill people that are preaching in a logical version of the world that no one, no one believes could ever exist. I hope there will be left -wing leaders that emerge that kind of shed that. I think they will have to just by virtue of their survival. I think the woke thing is so widely rejected now. And when I say the woke thing, I mean this, this what Elon calls the mind virus, the crazy aspect of it. Like your kid knows it's trans when it's two. That kind of shit. Like the people that are just far off the rails, that's going to die off.

3:14:12It's just, it's just too nutty and it doesn't make any sense. and it's ultimately destructive to a lot of different groups of people and it's not fair. It's like the trans women and sports things, the most unfair aspect of it. That one, that one's so crazy. When you see people argue for it, inclusivity, you're out of your fucking mind, like you're out of your mind. And the inability to discern who's a pervert and who's actually trans, like the impossible nature and then just greenlighting perverts to do whatever they want and that You know my concern is I do think the the woke is him is either dying or dead My concern is those folks who are now looking for a new religion.

3:14:52There's people like that on the right I think they're mostly rejected No, there's a lot of people like that on the right the right has a woke right they have an attacking woke fucking They they're not united. There's there's an aspect of the right that attacks other people on the right especially now because the right has like more attention than ever before. There's like there's a whole always going to be a group in any sort of ideology. There's going to be a group of people that use the opportunity to attack people to elevate themselves. Yeah, I think Mark Andreessen, five minutes. I think Mark Andreessen calls the battle.

3:15:28I think on the right maybe between the techno libertarians versus the nationalists. So there's these like protectionist people that say like no more immigration right masterport everybody and then there's these people which they align a lot of ideas these people that say we need to fucking build yeah like they're both America first but they just have a different flavor of that you know the Mark Andreessen's the world probably are or Lee Silicon Valley accepts immigration like we need to right allow legal immigration of the best people in the world right and put But the nationalist part of the right, they're like, no, fuck that, fuck you with your H1B, fuck you with the, yeah.

3:16:09We don't need anymore, we need Merca. Yeah. We don't need, what does your take on the H1B thing? Because I saw the argument and I was like, wait a minute, what is it? Do you guys want cheap labor? Are you trying to get like super skillful engineers from other places? Like what are we asking for here? I think as I understand H1B is just abused to get cheap labor. Yeah, but so the E -NEC be reformed I think the argument got really muddled right because everybody was looking at the worst aspects of H1B which is the cheap labor right but there is an aspect and I think this there's an O1 visa There's different kinds of visas were like we need to get the bat the best baddest mother fuckers from the all the rest of the world and have them work here.

3:16:55Look at that baby, 350, 3 to go. Look at it, steaming. Look at all those carbons being emitted into the atmosphere by people who sell electric cars. You'd have to drive 100 ,000 fucking cars 24 hours a day for a year to get any of the release of carbon that that thing has. Here you go with your wolf bullshit again. You'd have to drive my chavelle until the universe died of heat death to get as much as you're going to get off of this one rocket. Turns out you need a combustion engine to get off this. Do you think we do, man? What do you think is going on with the UAPs? Do you think these motherfuckers have some new shit?

3:17:34Well, that's the Airquinds thing. Like, you don't need to worry about the rockets. You need to crack physics. Yeah. I think, yeah. I think that's the thing. Well, that's time has a very unusual theory involving that one university that has a completely overqualified physics department. It's also connected to a stock broker or not a stock broker. A financial thing. What are those things called? You know what I'm talking about, Jamie? Like you were to say. God damn it. The point is, no, it's like some financial investment group that does better numbers. They do like birdie made -off numbers like nutty numbers.

3:18:18What's that? Venture capital. Venture thank you. That's it. So this company is connected to this university. This company makes extraordinary amounts of money. This university has an insane physics department and like they're not publishing anything and Eric's like what do you guys do? What the fuck are you doing? So he thinks that these motherfuckers branched off.

3:18:42He squirrel type dudes, they're working on some high level shit and they branched off decades ago. And that they've been working on this for a long time. Of course the military often swoops in and wants that talent, wants that technology, what are those ideas? They're probably connected, all intertwined with the military because who's going to build these things? Right, you need the defense department. You need defense contractors rather. You need like Raytheon. You need someone like that who knows how to make spaceships, like make this fucking thing. You know, and they probably back engineered it all.

3:19:16They probably found some Crash things That are probably left here on purpose and like figure it out monkeys and then you know 1947 these dudes are fucking fumbling around and also and they figure out fiber optics also and they figure out transistors Also, like there's a bunch of weird shit that just kind of emerges After these crash sites. That's what I like to believe Yeah, I kind of believe that. I also believe that there's that they're they're not so focused on us They're doing it here and everywhere else too like this is maybe I wouldn't they be focused on us I feel like there's a lot a lot of tribes I think the Amazon I bet it takes a long -ass time for it to get to the distance that our earth got from the sun Where you can get liquid water And it only lasts for a little while till it phrases.

3:20:07Oh maybe if that's the case and they understand that then Yes, then more specific. If you thought about like the way, let's just assume that the way life was created on earth is the only way life is created anywhere in the universe. Let's assume that all those rules apply. Like the wall and stuff. And let's assume that Terence Howard's onto something. The people. And the people. You would imagine that it would have to get where we are, where the water melts, where the ice melts. 17 seconds. And then life emerges from the sea like it did here, right? Doesn't that make sense? That that would happen ever?

3:20:3810 oh Jesus wherever there's water there we go four three two one here it goes

3:20:57that's a hundred million diesel trucks blow and call is America baby look at that thing vehicle pitch and down range holy shit man and that that thing is gonna get caught bro I want a rocket I just decided I want a rocket I need a rocket podcast from space I want a rocket look down alright we're more than 30 seconds into flight to limit 30 seconds 33 engines is a pitch and down range Look how high that is in 30 seconds nominal Wow Is it a snap off?

3:21:44When it snaps off where's it go? You don't want the Dropping in the ocean no lands. Oh That's right against us. It's the Falcon. Yeah, it gets caught by these

3:22:02I know I was thinking about like the Saturn 5. The thing was like a bush. I forgot. It actually can land, which is even nuttier. Yeah, it's nutty. It's that this gigantic thing that's size of a sky sky, but it's going to just land. They just pass through the greatest stress the vehicle's going to experience going uphill. Speed is 2000 kilometers an hour. What the fuck? It keeps getting faster. Look how high it is, huh? As they get away from the gravity of Earth, Look how it gets faster you fucking flatter dorks. It gets easier and easier. I Don't know looks flat from here. It does look flat. They're right.

3:22:39Oh My god bro, you believe this CGI. You really believe this is happening. You are a chill Lex

3:22:48Watch the camera might go off for a little bit which will explain everything have you seen the guy who takes the flat earth people to Antarctica Where they could see the sun? Yeah, I heard around and like oh shit Yeah, well you could go to add article that's done a nice ball. No I mean, I like people that can change their mind in that way Bro, let's see. Let's see if it lands should be if you know why not I think this here in the corners like all the different boosters or something. So it's 54 miles or 54 kilometers in the sky right now Fuck dude, and it actually has I think satellites on boards.

3:23:25I was I was active Turn them all off just slow down Stage separation So that fucker's gonna go land that's gonna go land that's so that's a building What does that take now like two minutes for comes back down maybe three four more that is so fucking crazy It's gonna go land now

3:23:50Look at the earth it looks round And a ship Let's the earth lies the earth looks kind of round as mother. Oh wait. It looks flat there This is a new camera this definitely. Oh, this is the real camera the other one is bullshit

3:24:08That otherwise a fish island Yeah, oh the fucking where's the stars this is bullshit. This isn't a lab in Nevada This is a screen saver

3:24:23Wow. I think they have a payload of a satellite that they're testing releasing. Bro, imagine what it feels like looking out the window. The one in the right is going away faster now. It's humbling. The... It's almost 6 ,000 kilometers an hour. Oh my god. The other one's heading back down. Still slowing down. Wow. Ooh. Space station. What is that? Is that the space station? Is that what that is? I hope so. I don't know what to - She just said it. She just said it. All right. Well, that was just awesome. You're a follow -up. She just said it. Definitely a UFO. Is it possible they get that close to the space station?

3:25:03Like, hey, guys. It's good for the vehicle to make a mistake. Yeah, I mean, they're extremely precise about their flight trajectory. I'm going to be 13 of those center engines igniting again. And that will then go down to the center. Would you ever fly them on these? No.

3:25:23How much would you how much would I need to pay you?

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3:25:56no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no happen if you did send flat earthers up in that and they got to say do you think they would believe what they have how many of them are skits of fernick though? Oh, they'll think everything was a lie. Like what percentage of the flat earth community? Like the percentage of all communities it's like 1 % that are skits of fernick right? But don't you think it's like across the boards? Something like that. Yeah, so it's not disparaging the flat earth community. Yeah, I'm just saying. Well, could could you be like, one of the higher percentage? Can you just be a little schizophrenic?

3:26:26You definitely can. I know what dudes, you got a touch. They got a touch. Yeah, a little bit. Just a touch. I told the story once. I was talking to this comedian and I've known this guy forever. I thought he was totally normal. And but he's always like, odd. And he starts showing me pictures on his phone of clouds. And he's like, see that? I go, yeah. It's going to go through a cloud right now. Whoa. It's a high -ass cloud. Oh, shit. 20 kilometers up. Wow That's so fucking cool. How fucking cool is that? This thing is gonna go land now you're gonna make a bet about it's gonna catch. Oh, it's gonna catch all right Yeah, I believe so too.

3:27:06Yeah, no, I don't wouldn't bet against it. That'll be on American. Yeah, what do you mean? Look how cool that is man. Wow, they're focusing on it now from a distance It just dropped fast now only three kilometers above

3:27:21Wow Bro, this is so insane This is amazing This is so insane, so it has this it's controlling look at the position of this is look at the tower coming into catch it too Oh my god

3:27:42Fuck yeah

3:27:48Wow. Holy shit now. That is so fucking badass. That is so nuts. That is 7 minutes from when I left. 7 minutes for the whole flight. Yeah. Wow. That's a fucking building. You heard it here, Max. That is so dope. Look at the other ones. What is that? and speed 16 ,000 kilometers an hour. Oh my God. 40 kilometers away. Wow. New Glenn yesterday, starship today. This is why I fucking love America. That's so incredible, dude. That's so incredible. Hey, the question is like, how tall is that in reference to like a building? It isn't like a 20 story building or something crazy. Yeah, so before it took off right there.

3:28:32Yeah, wow. It is really how much bigger it is than Millennium Falcon. I like it. He compares it to the Millennium Falcon. How fucking amazing is that? What's the other one? Is that Blue Origin? Space X. Oh, that's another space X one. It is bigger than the Blue Origin rocket, but quite a bit. I think it's the biggest rocket ever made. 123 meters. Yeah, and that part right here, halfway, that's what came back. Right. So that's gonna be, I mean, do you think it's... It looks higher than half. How many floors of like, it's gotta be 70 meters. That's so crazy. That's so big. Yeah, it's like 33 Raptor engines.

3:29:15So it's just a lot of power. Just even one of those engines is, you ever see it live, it's incredible. It's so much cooler watching it actually happen live than it is watching a video. When you watch a video, you're like, yeah, that's cool, but like we didn't know what was gonna happen. That's the cool thing about live. Yeah. Fuck yeah. That was awesome. Let's end with that. We're in another positive note. American ingenuity baby. Let's go America. Peace on earth. Good wood to all. Love you brother. Love you too man. Bye. Bye brother.