#2261 - Warren Smith

27:33Like if there is any sort of debate, and there clearly is when it comes to trans issues, if there's any sort of debate, you have to be able to discuss things. And as soon as you say, if you want to debate, we're done. If you want to have a discussion, we can't. You don't see it. Well, we're done. Well, what you're essentially conceding is you don't have a logical ability to shut this down because if you did, you would just do it. You would have a rational conversation with that person and you would say, clearly, look, this is why, this is racist. This is why, this is transphobic. This is why, this is sexist.

28:10Whatever the argument is and you would lay it out. And as soon as you say, if you don't believe that, then we're done talking. I can't even, I can't even do this. That's what I started. My mom disagrees with me heavily on politics, which is okay. In the wake of we were talking about 2016, and I found Jordan Peters and I was like, oh, this guy, look at this. This is really interesting. If I had any kind of conversation with her about it, even to this day, it's often, I think she's getting better. Now that I've been making content, But it was often a formation of that pattern. I just can't do this with you Warren.

28:46Boba, and it's just neutralizing the debate because they can't have the debate. Well, they can't have the debate because they're not equipped for it. That's all it is. They don't have any weapons. Right? And if you're gonna go to battle, you have to have some sort of resources. There's nothing there. And when there's nothing there, and you just say, I can't instead of saying, like, is there a logical argument that there are men who are manipulating this in order to control women's spaces. And like it used to be that we protected women against men and particularly we protected women against predatory men, right?

29:25Like perverts or sex offenders for example. But somewhere along the line with this woke ideology, we completely eliminated the even possibility that a man in a dress that wants to go into the woman's room could be a pervert. Which to me was the most insane thing. It's like you've just given a hall pass to the grossest members of society that we've always feared. We've always feared people that would try to take advantage of women and do so in a weird way where you claim to be one. But you have a penis. You're walking around with an erection in a locker room and anybody who calls it out is transphobic.

30:12Right. Now, it got real weird. People with cancer, Joe, but like you're taking an extreme, you're claiming that trans people walking out with erections, it allows for that capacity. It allows for that to occur. After all this craziness occurred with the video, a viral video or whatever, I went back to North Carolina for the first time and my best friends, you know, I've grown up with and we just got to find. They were deeply concerned about what I was doing. You're talking to too many people from the right. I sat down with Destiny for six hours but it's never enough. But they I laid out what you were saying and I was amazed that they couldn't Follow that logic that what about the mother in the dressing room with a six -year -old does she have a right to decide if that six Girls exposed to male genitalia just to keep it as that simple as that take out directions and all that It's right is it fair to her and they just can't right it seems so clear But they're just scared.

31:23They're scared of thinking logically because if you do you will be cast out of this group. You'll be ostracized. Like there's very specific rules and they're very much like a cult. Like you have this very cult -like thinking and if you deviate from that at all, you run into the possibility of social ostracization and that's what happens to a lot of people and they're scared of that. So to defend against that possibly happening to them they attack things Like without any logic at all they just like say you don't think you don't know I've done talking to you like this is good and that it's like a get out of jail free pass And you can just get away from the conversation and you don't have to confront the logical falsies You don't have to confront all the problems with what you're saying And the only solution I've been able to find is to just push through yeah, and I I say to them, Chris, like one day, I genuinely believe you'll look back and understand, like one day.

32:25And I believe that. Now, I believe that too. If it's done logically and you can have reasonable discussions, but even in the opposition to that, you have people on the right who adhere to a right -wing cult -like thinking, right? and they'll push back against it in a way that's also not logical. And so they dig their heels in on their ideology, you know, left digs their heels, and you know, you have things like people say people on the left don't get it. People on the left, they're like, no, this is a giant spectrum of people on the left and a giant spectrum of people on the right. I don't like any of those labels.

33:05Exactly. And I really don't like it because of me. Like, I don't fit in there. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. I've been playoffs. We're talking about playoffs. You bet we are. Get in on the action with Draft King Sportsbook an official sports betting partner of the NFL. Scoring touchdowns is key to winning the playoffs and you can score big by betting on them at Draft Kings. The number one place to bet touchdowns ready to place your bet. Try betting on something simple like a player to score six. Go to DraftKings Sportsbook app and make your pick. New DraftKings customers can bet $5 to get $200 in bonus bets instantly.

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34:24four additional terms and responsible gaming resources. See DKNG dot co slash audio. And people want to box you in on that. And this goes back to seeing stories, which story do you fit into? Like my mom has a story of what a Democrat is. She can never think of a story of what a Republican is. She'll never deviate from that. My parents are the same. You're right. Exactly the same. I would rather be homeless. They're blue no matter who. Right. They're just locked in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's I'm just I don't I Dread the cool. I don't dread the question of are you a Republican? It's like who cares?

34:59It doesn't I'm not a part of any I'm just gonna be you know call it as I see it Follow the logic. Yeah, it doesn't make sense to be on a team right doesn't make sense at all Even for something like me like you know who? Yeah, I've went to the inauguration, you know, I was like how is that bizarre? But I don't consider myself a Republican. I don't consider myself a Democrat either. I consider myself an American. I'm a human being. And there's a lot of things that the Democrats believe that I believe too. There's a lot of things that they say that I say that makes a lot of sense to me. And there's a lot of things that the Republicans say.

35:39That makes a lot of sense to me too. And the idea that I have to ignore things that make sense to me because it's coming from the wrong team is just stupid. And the idea, these are bad faith arguments. where you have to have a conversation with someone and pretend that what they're saying is not logical because they're supposed to be your opponent. That to me is just dumb. It doesn't make any, that doesn't benefit me at all. It doesn't benefit anybody listening at all. It's just stupid. It's a stupid way to think. It's so limiting and it's so bad for you cognitively. Because I think when you put up those blinders, like you're a talk to a person that's a liar, especially like when you're younger, you meet people that are liars, and they lie all the time about all kinds of things.

36:20One of the things about liars is they can't really recognize how other people see their lies because they're living a lie. Like they're lying so often, they don't realize the language of truth and honesty. And so when they're talking to people, they don't even realize that people know their full of shit because they've lost their ability to sort of discern what natural conversations are about. where it's really, it's not about you bullshitting me to try to get me to believe something that's not true, it's about you just expressing yourself. So they stop doing that. They stop just genuinely expressing themselves, and then they just live with these blinders on.

37:00And so everything exists. And the only way they can find someone who will buy into their bullshit is if someone is like so bad at thinking and reasoning that they don't have the tools to discern when someone's full of shit. And this happens with ideologies. This happens with religion, and it clearly happens with politics. It's like you get locked into these blinders and you're incapable of looking at any sort of positive aspects of someone who is on a team that you believe is the opposition. Yeah, I think there is a power in truth that can be felt like you're saying and that's the underneath the boats Yes, that which we can't articulate we can't explain how we know these how we can sense that Oh someone when they're bullshit, you can feel it so as a teacher you really learn That reality if you're gonna be effective first thing I would say on the first day to my students is by law, by ethical bounds, there are gonna be some things I can't tell you, confidentiality, whatever, but I will never, I promise I will never tell you something I know to be untrue.

38:15They try and embody that through all behavior and that I saw that resonate because there's a lot of teachers that you know it's a strange environment that school, a lot of weird stuff. Of course, well it's a crazy that wasn't an art no I'm talking about the ones where like the kids kicked out of high school oh okay there so there's like gangs drugs you know mm yeah yeah it's I think we're entering a unique moment in history where a lot of those narratives are just dissolving and a lot of that very tribal thinking is being critically analyzed and it's found to be lacking and people are abandoning it, left and right.

39:04And you're seeing it. You're seeing sort of the consequences of a lot of this ideology affecting people's day to day lives and that's causing people to abandon it. You know, I was watching these, this left wing podcasts where they were discussing being gaslit about the problems with violence and crime rising in New York City. And that, you know, you're being told that it's not, but if you live day -to -day life, you're like, no, this is real. Like, you guys have led in a bunch of Venezuelan gang members and you have a sanctuary city. And now, it's kind of chaotic. And you're seeing, like, the woman got lit on fire in the subway and like, that kind of shit.

39:44You're seeing this with ever -increasing frequency. You're also seeing the way they lie about crime statistics, because they'll tell you that crime is down, but what they don't tell you is crime is severely under -reported, and that people are being released for even violent crimes very quickly, which has direct consequences because then there's no incentive whatsoever to not commit crime if you're going to be right back out on the street. Are you familiar with Roland Fryer? Yes. Yes. Have you had him? I have not, but I would. He's really interesting. He changed the way I've used statistics. And but in like a three minute synopsis of it that goes to crime statistics, he, I can't think mathematically.

40:30And I think this applies to logic, I think visually. So if I have a metaphor, I can suddenly understand a mathematical concept. Don't have that mind. So he broke it down. All right, after all that research that caused him to go into hiding, He's like, if you look at it through an economics perspective, let's say my job is to explain, let's get to explain why he wanted like he went into hiding. He conducted a study, a deep dive into police statistics to see racial bias in policing. Right. The findings did not match the story that people wanted to be true at Harvard, which caused him to literally go into police protection.

41:10I think like a one -year -old he had at the time for days. Now I don't know the deep dots beyond that, but that's the... Right. Right. And we should say he's a black gentleman. Right. Yes. So he says the colleagues told him, don't publish this warning. You'll ruin your career. Right. For releasing findings that contradict popular left wing narratives on policing. And he said I'm going to do it anyways. Yeah. And then he came to the University of Austin in Tata class. It's on YouTube. And watching that class to summarize it in a minute, look at it through economics. If my job is to approve or disprove loans, I've been able to get that down the best I can.

41:57I want to keep the default rate as low as possible, and I've achieved like a 0 .5 default rate. If anyone who comes in my office, 0 .5, I've done my job defaults. All right, that's pretty good. Someone could come along later and analyze all that and say, wait a minute, you're turning down 60 % black people though versus white people. His point is you can't look at it through that lens. You have to look at it through what is the goal that's trying, what is the result we're trying to achieve? So in policing it's to he can he his studies showed that 40 % of stops approximately I think if we use that as an example 40 % of stops recover contraband which is pretty crazy pretty good Across demographics which means it's being done correctly And people this changes how you view so much it's kind of Difficult to to understand at first glance.

42:52I'm trying to tell me if this makes sense. Okay so it's It's 40 % across whatever color the driver is. That means we've done, correct. We've done it right. If it was 60 % white drivers were recovering, we should be pulling over his arguments, we should be pulling over more white drivers. But that's assuming they're pulling people over upon race. Let's go back to the default rate. You're just coming in after the fact in analyzing the results and looking at it through a racial lens. I'm going to judge each case based on a merit regardless of because I are you going to default or not and whatever I'm going to run my analysis whatever that is.

43:35So anyone can come in after the fact and say but there's always going to be a discrepancy. Okay, but you turn down more black people than white so they're okay so according to your logic for every black driver I pull over every Latino I have to pull over a white driver now which affects policing itself. as opposed to what's our goal, all the police are meeting that morning. Our job is to go out and recover contraband in this neighborhood. But for every black driver, you got to pull over a white, it's like that's not how it works. Right, so that kind of, that boggled my mind when I first heard it.

44:15It was like looking at it through the lens of what are we trying to achieve and seeing if that achievement is even, then there's nothing like There's nothing off about it. If the contrabanding being recovered is 40%, regardless of the rate of which you're pulling those cars over, the success rate is the same, which means you're doing it, you're doing it right. It's trying to boil that down as simple as I can. And so that was problematic for a lot of people. They didn't want to hear that. Because they're pulling over, let's just say 60 % of the drivers are black, which is bias. The question is, is it unwarranted bias?

44:57Because there's always going to be bias. Right, is it or unwarranted bias meaning are more black people causing them to get pulled over? Like the default rate. 70 % of the people I turned down, let's say 70 % of people that come in that office that were a black got turned down. My rebuttal to that is that has nothing to do with it. My job is for the bank to get a .5 default rate and that's the end result. Can you prove that I'm doing anything wrong? Like there's not what adjustment logically should I make? Right. Should you give loans to people that are more likely to default just because of their ethnicity?

45:42That would be the only logical course of action in response to that. Right. Right. Which is the argument for equity, right, over equality. Yeah, essentially that would be a form of equity. You can call it outcome versus equality of opportunity. Right. Yeah, I've seen that argument that like not everybody starts at the same spot. So you have to raise up people who've started a different spot. Which is to me a bandaid on the real problem. The real problem is that we have crime -infested areas that we've done nothing to fix. That's the real problem. The real problem is we have parts of our society that have been, you know, because of Jim Crow laws and red line laws There's a long history of them being riddled with crime and gangs and It could be fixed.

46:31There's been no effort. There's been no real national effort to take impoverished gang -ridden crime -ridden neighborhoods and rehabilitate them. The more you do that, if you did that, you would have less losers. If you have less losers, you have a better country. And that's including like the Appalachias, like areas of West Virginia that are filled with people that are addicted to pills and committing crime because they're drug addicts that are all poor white people, coal mining people, and those folks, it's everybody. It's just crime and poverty. And crime and poverty causes people, you imitate your environment, you imitate your atmosphere.

47:11If you grow up in a crime -ridden, gang -ridden neighborhood, the chances of you getting involved in gang activities and crime are much higher than if you don't grow up in an environment like that. Yeah, I'm from North Carolina. Like near Asheville. Asheville. Yeah, it's rough out there. Which people don't believe. Asheville, like mountains, beautiful. Right. No, it's like very high per capita crime rate. There's a meth capital right now where I live. And so I agree with you, the thing is if we look at it, I agree if we look at it through socioeconomic lens. So I had a professor, one of my professors from Emerson, he's like, I saw Dracism there.

47:46This was in one of the videos. I was like, sure, come over. Let's record, hit me with it. So the solution is we're gonna have a tax for. So if you're, if you can trace your ancestry, then you're gonna, you don't have to pay taxes or below some form of tax. Okay, but what about the white person in Appalachia who isn't an equally bad socioeconomic position, but they don't get the tax or what? The award, your solution? Well their ancestors weren't oppressed. So I would be all for it if it was looking through a consistent, applied across all demographics, equally, socioeconomically. You're never going to stop racism.

48:28You're never going to stop ignorant thinking. I mean, unless there's some sort of a groundbreaking human neural interface that completely changes our cognitive function and dissolves all boundaries. You're not going to stop people from... There's people that don't like people from other cities because they play sports against them. You know, I hate people from Philly. There's always going to be people that discriminate against other people. Because there's always going to be ignorant people. So it's going to be, and it's easier to do that. It's easier to decide this person's enemy. These people are on my side.

49:06It's easy to be tribal. It's much simpler. You don't have to think as much. I mean, like, Anticosparion got sexually assaulted by a homeless person. So when she's walking down the street, she's probably going to recoil a bit, maybe, and if she sees someone, you know, there's a human cycle. Eliminates, she's gonna try probably not to do the best, just human nature. If you have a bad experience, it's gonna, it goes back to how we see the world, but you're right. Yeah, we'll never be able to solve racism. Well, that's the type of bias that, like, is kind of logical. Like, if you see a guy and he's covered his own shit and he's, you know, lighting notebooks on fire, that guy might be out of his fucking mind.

49:43You should probably go around him. And if you run into a bunch of them and they're camping out right in front of your house, you should, you should act accordingly. You shouldn't treat them the same the way you treat your neighbor who's just walking his dog waving to you It's different kind of human being you're encountering, you know There's certain people that you should be wary about and if you are severely mentally ill and addicted to drugs And you live in a tent in front of someone's house. You're cooking meth You know like you're in the backyard barbecue and you smell someone cooking meth in your front yard like that's a problem Yeah, that's a problem and if you pretend it's not a problem because is, you know, oh, you have to be sensitive to people's socioeconomic needs and it's a housing crisis and it's this and it's that.

50:23No, no, there's people that are really fucked up because being a person is hard. It's difficult, it's complicated. And if you grow up with abusive parents who are drug addicts themselves and in and out of jail and you've been like psychologically scarred since you are a baby because they beat you and you've encountered a lot of domestic violence that you're going to be more fucked up than the average person. This is just the development cycle of you as an entity. It's a human being that is a product of your accumulated experiences, your genetics, your biology, your environment. There's just a lot of factors.

50:58And to pretend that those factors don't exist and that if you do recognize them that somehow or another you're racist or you're sexist or you're ableist or you're this or you're that, you're the problem. No, the problem is we've got a bunch of people that are really fucked up. you know, and we have to figure out a way to have less people that are fucked up. Here's going to have a certain percentage, but is there something that can be done that would mitigate the number of people that are growing up really fucked up and becoming problems? To start at the root, get to the root. What's the root? Crime -infested, gang -infested neighborhoods, abusive family life, abusive neighborhoods, like that's the root.

51:37It's the root of all of our problems. Yeah, I think that's why Jordan Peterson tapped into this so much, because the only solution is to take a personal responsibility. This episode is brought to you by LifeLock. Tax season is already stressful. You shouldn't have to worry about identity theft on top of everything else. And trust me, it's a big worry. Especially since during tax season, your sensitive info does a lot of traveling to places you can't control. It goes through payroll, your accountant, your tax consultant, and countless other data centers on its way to the IRS. any of them can expose you to identity theft because they all have the info on your W2, just the ticket for criminals to steal your identity.

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54:48And there's nowhere you can turn, where you can relate to someone who can give you tools and objective reasoning and an understanding of how you got to the situation and what are the steps you can take to get out of that? I encountered that every day in that school because that's where I was, those are the kids that I was working with. They didn't have, majority of them did not have a parent. We would have open house and no one would come. They had no example, no money. Right. And it's heartbreaking, but what do I do? All I can do is try and lead by example and maybe communicate, because that's their best hope is trying and taking responsibility.

55:31Because no one else is going to do it at the end of the day. There is no alternative. Right. Except for having someone hopefully come along and provide that role model. Right. Or finding something that you can do that elevates you, finding something you can do that gives you a very clear example that Hard work and dedication can lead to success and then you can kind of get addicted to this Positive feeling that you're getting from seeing yourself progress and get locked into that and they can elevate you out of certain situations You see that happen with sports. You see that happen with art You know sports and art are probably the two best ways that people can escape in pauvres childhoods and bad neighborhood The student who was, we're not supposed to have favorites, but was my favorite, he came from that kind of background, but he could draw like I've never seen.

56:24There you go. And so we got him a credit drawing tablet, a digital drawing tablet, and he would just sit and draw all day. Here's the issue is how he, but he wouldn't go to any other classes. And we kind of, he liked, for some reason he liked being in my classroom. So they would literally sit him in my room and he would stay there all day and then he would try and bring work from his other classes and Get him to do the work from the other classes and But he so through that pattern he and I you know, we would talk about he got me into Elden ring telling me like this video Like and he was he got me into the whole art style behind Elden ring and Dark Souls But what how do you foster then the school kind of comes along and they're like yeah, but he's not doing academic drawings, they're not relevant to the school and I get that.

57:10It's how do you then take that talent for drawing and show him that this can be monetized man. Like you could be up to, yeah. Let's get you maybe freelancing. I worked as a freelance videographer. It's a hustle but it's a way you're not gonna make them but it's better than nothing like trying to think outside the box and he ended up getting kicked out for a stupid. He didn't want to go to field trip one day and he was like, he made a offhand passing commas like, I don't want to go in the field trip. Don't make me go in the field trip trip. I'll just bring a gun so I don't have to go to the field trip.

57:44And oh my god. And then and this goes back to the idea of telling the truth, what got me is they they lied to him and told him because the teacher that he said it to, you're compelled to like report it and everything and we run it up the chain. I don't think he should have been kicked out. I know this kid though, But he's done, that's why they're there because they say stupid stuff. Right. And we're the last line of defense. He was graduating in two months. Oh, God. I don't know where he is now. It brings you back to like what is school supposed to be for? It's supposed to be preparing you for independence out in the world and it's supposed to be preparing you to eventually have a career.

58:30Well, there's real careers in art. It's a viable pathway. Yeah. And the idea that this guy is extremely talented and that's not accentuated. He would draw these Japanese samurai, sword fighting, just beautiful. And then I had the photo printer. We would... And but they were like, well, how's he gonna make a living drawing? Japanese photos, no, I'm just like, get him to draw school pro... Like logos for multimedia projects for the culinary program. It does like, this kid won't respond to that. and he didn't and then he gets kicked out. That was my problem as an artist. When I was young, I wanted to be a comic book illustrator.

59:07That's what I wanted to do. And all I could, that's the only art that I was interested in. I read a lot of comic books and I was really into Frank Frasetta and I was really into Jack Kirby and all these different artists that would draw for comic books and fantasy novels and that kind of stuff. That's what I was interested in. That was the only thing I was interested in. And my art teacher was an asshole. He was just, he was such an asshole shout out to my friend John DeVore because I'm still I communicate online with a buddy of mine in high school who was also in that art class who was the most talented guy in the class.

59:42There was me, John and our friend Kevin and we were like the three most talented people. I was like third. It's like John was number one Kevin was number two and then it was me. But we were all like much more talented than everyone else and all we wanted to do was like comic book art and John was so good and he told me that that teacher gave him an F in his final year and Because he's just an asshole. He just his he When he would never look at your art and say it was good He would look at your art and say you're not gonna be able to do that for a living You're gonna have to draw diaper commercials.

1:00:20You're gonna have to do this. You're gonna have to do things You don't want to do I hate that shit. It was just, he was a bitter guy with like a pot belly who looked depressed and he was a lot of teachers are. Yeah, and he didn't want you to have hope because he didn't have any hope and he didn't like teaching. He wanted to be an artist and you know, and when he would draw, you know, like he would draw in the classroom, we would do projects and his stuff was unexceptional. Just wasn't that good, you know, and it just, they wanted you to fail. I had a student, I may have had multiple students. The number one, like profession kids want to do now is be an influencer, a YouTuber of all of us.

1:00:59I get the apprehension when a kid's like, I really want to do YouTube, make a YouTube channeling. I want to deal with what Joe Rogan's doing, whatever. It's the, but the school was kind of, he can't make money on YouTube. It's like, that's so dumb. That's like, you should be fired for being incompetent. Not just incompetent, but you are counter to what's true. Like you're saying things that are objectively untrue. You can't make money on YouTube. That is, you could pull up statistics instantaneously. It's hard, but you're never gonna, I got lucky, man. Just because I was willing to put myself out there and make a fool of myself.

1:01:39But that's not why you got lucky. You got lucky because you put out good content. It's a merit -based thing. It really is. And it doesn't necessarily have to be good, right? There's content that's just, it's inflammatory, and then people gravitate to that because they like controversy. People like, you just people squabbling and yelling at each other, like shitty content, or someone who's saying like awful things. So people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, are saying these awful things. And they get a lot of attention for saying awful things. And so, you know, and then YouTube has ways to sort of manage that, which are, you know, a little or well -earned, right?

1:02:15Like they demonetize people for talking about specific things. That scares me. It should scare you. Because a lot of times they're demonetizing things that are absolutely accurate. And that's where it gets really weird. This is what we faced during the COVID crisis. If you said that you think this disease came from a lab leak, you would get demonetized on YouTube. Well, that's proven to be true now. So what happens? Does YouTube owe you money from all those videos that you put out that they should have monetized? It's like, if you're saying, it was crazy. You're saying accurate things, but these accurate things were being suppressed by our own federal government, which is really weird, who were in cooots with these corporations that were making these medications.

1:03:00And so it got real fucking weird, like real weird. And unfortunately, a lot of those laws still stand. We had an instance where there was a video that we put out during the pandemic when we were only on Spotify. So when we were only on Spotify, all of our videos, all of our episodes got released only on Spotify. But we banked them all to eventually, you know, just like we'd have them if we ever wanted to put them on up on YouTube. Well then in 2024, I signed this new deal and in the new deal, what I want to do is put it everywhere. was like we'll be Spotify, but let's put it on, and Spotify wanted to do this as well.

1:03:41It was actually, they were very supportive of this. Put it everywhere. We'll put it on YouTube, put it on Apple, put it on, but it's a Spotify exclusive, and we work out this deal that way. And just like, well, so when we take this videos that were available on Spotify, in order to put them on YouTube, even though they're factually correct, they have a strike against them, because it's still adhering to their old laws that were applicable at the time that we made the video. So what did they make adjustments? Where did we end up doing with that? Jamie. Oh no, what's the case? I don't know what the case you're talking about.

1:04:18You know what you were saying that like there was a video that we were gonna put up, but it had a strike and you were gonna have to do like training, remember that? That was already up there. That was, that was, that was, that was, We, I wasn't re -uploaded, that was from the past. I was like, I was like, I was put up. We were just putting clips up on that channel. It was a clip that was the problem right but it was the full episode wasn't right and then when we upload the full episode Then it applied to that right. I just still had I we there is no way around not doing The education fucking thing right right here's the problem.

1:04:49No way around it. Did you have to do that? Yeah, but here's the problem that clip was accurate The problem is the things that they were saying were accurate. Yes. Something changed in the news and they're like, that's actually accurate now, but the system had, or there was no way to change it in the system. Yeah, it was always accurate. This is the news started reporting it accurately. And because initially the government narrative was that it was incorrect. So we're in the situation where you can educate it about something that's absolutely true. And you have to sort of pretend that you did a bad thing.

1:05:27It's scary for me because this is literally how I make it living. Yeah, put food in the table. Yeah, do you do other platforms as well as YouTube? I'm on X, but I'm not monotid. I've never made a dollar on X. I'm not sure how to go about doing that. I could look it up. I should probably, but I don't know how that works. I hear rumors about don't post one to one to X because YouTube wants exclusivity. And if you're posting on X, your videos will perform us on how much truth there is. I'm so kind of. This probably something to that and I'm so dependent on YouTube that I'm Here's an interesting statistic about YouTube This shows you like this is probably one of the best examples of bias that you're ever gonna see During the time where I released the podcast with Trump it was getting What was the most it was getting an hour was it 1 .2 million?

1:06:19Sure, I think so. Maybe one, two, one, three, something like that. As much as 1 .5 million, I think, at one point in time. An hour. Never trending. I heard about that. Never trending. I saw that. What's trending then? Tell me what trending is. If something gets 50 million views in a couple of days, and that's not trending, what's trending? What do you call trending? What does that mean then? Is you curating your trending thing? Why would you do this on color daddy Trent? I don't know. That's a good question. It didn't get any views I mean what did what did come all Harris on color daddy get? I think less than a million I think That's crazy I get a million for some random guy to million.

1:07:03That's crazy. Yeah, but that doesn't make any sense I think it might be wrong about that Well, it wasn't extraordinary. It wasn't interesting enough. That's you know, it's merit -based essentially I was curious what it would say, how the trending page is controlled. Yeah. It's up on the screen that says there's no humans that manually curate the page. Right, but obviously the algorithm. I don't think I don't believe this. Yeah, I don't believe that. The only person I call about this is once. Yeah, okay. YouTube's trending page is controlled by an algorithm that's trained by human engineers. There's no employees who manually curate the trending page.

1:07:36How the algorithm works. The algorithm considers many factors to determine which videos are trending, including view count, view velocity, and video age. The algorithm considers where views are coming from and how the video performs compared to other recent uploads from the same channel. The algorithm aims to create a list of trending content that's relevant and representative across the platform. The algorithm refreshes every 15 minutes to stay current. Filters. The algorithm applies strict content filters to keep the trending lists family friendly. These filters ensure that videos don't contain excessive profanity.

1:08:11Well that gets me out. mature content, violence or disparaging others in the community. Okay so just that line alone. Disparaging others in the community. Yeah. It would be in YouTube's best interest though. They need you. Well don't they like views? Yeah that's what you do. If I was YouTube like no we want to think of it we need views. Well not only that if you put it in and trending, you'll get more views so you get more advertising revenue. That specific one, I think they were worried about something else. Well, yeah, they were worried about it promoting Donald Trump and people winding up being president because of that.

1:08:49But then it got to a point where you couldn't find it. So that was real weird. Like if you Googled Trump Rogan podcast, you would not find that podcast at all. You would find clips of people discussing it. You would not find the actual podcast. My first solid, it was someone reacting to it. Yeah, live. Bizarre. Didn't you tweet like we had to release it at the same time on multiple platforms, sorry for the glitch. Wasn't there a glitch? There was a glitch because the way we upload generally, Jamie could speak to this, we upload with a timer, right? Like it's gonna upload a certain stuff. Yeah, we do stuff.

1:09:31like at noon, this time when we were doing it at night. And, you know, they just didn't, for whatever reason, it didn't go live, the platforms don't work the same. We just released it. We just said, like, let's just release it now. But it took a while to get up and to, it was just, that was just like an issue with just how the upload system works. So it's like, it's more effective to upload on a timer, apparently, but that had nothing to do with YouTube. That was just a thing about, And then when it was being suppressed, and I knew it was being suppressed, I talked to Spotify and talked to Elon and said let's just put it on X.

1:10:09And so we put it on X as well. And then Elon put it on X and it wound up getting across all platforms, somewhere in the neighborhood of like 250 million views, fucking insanity. But a lot of it was X. And like a lot of people on independent pages, they just took it when it was a problem finding it. And they just uploaded it to their own channel in X. A lot of people did that. And then I uploaded it. Elon's alone got like 65 million views and I got like 25 million views. It was just nuts. It was like people wanted it. And it's this tricein effect. As soon as you try to suppress something, I just, I don't buy into the idea that there was in some sort of manipulation behind the scenes.

1:10:51It just doesn't make any sense. Whether it was rogue employees or whether it was someone who was gaming the reporting system, like reporting something, like maybe that could be it, like if you get enough people that report that a video's a problem, maybe that could throw it off. I don't know. You know, I don't even, I don't wanna ask because I don't think I'm gonna get an honest answer. You haven't asked. I kinda have, but I don't talk to them. You know, I don't talk, I don't have like a direct channel where I talk to them. I don't want one. I was just like, eh. Let me just put it, you know, like, just just, like if there's a situation like that, I'll talk about that.

1:11:33And that's my way of responding to that. Like make sense to me. Like why can't you find it? Why can't you find a video that has 65 million views? Why can't you find that? That doesn't make any sense. That is crazy. That's nuts. Like what's wrong with your search system? And then eventually because of me talking about it, it went back and then you could find it. It's one of the best things. A lot of people are really grateful that you did that.

1:12:02I wanted to just like, we were clearly being manipulated. We were clearly being gaslit and being told that this guy's Hitler, even though he was already the president for four years and he wasn't, he didn't act like a dictator. Like we know what it's like when he's running things. We had experienced it for four years and they were telling us that this was the end of civilization The trans people are gonna be rounded up and fucking nets thrown on them and It it was really wild that people weren't going to be safe. It was really wild. It was really wild and they Yeah, they just demonized and and they gaslit people to the point where When you actually do have the guy in and talk to him and say like no, he's not mentally compromised He's not in coherent.

1:12:50He's very coherent. He's got an amazing amount of energy. The guy sat here for three hours and we could have done another three hours easy. He can go on and on and on and He's fine and he had some really good points. First of all the point about the California wildfires Where he's discussing their their water issues? Then it could all be fixed and that he gave them a plan to fix it and then they rejected it and he's like you could have all the fucking water you need. And you should be doing things to make sure that these fires don't happen again. There's ways to clean up the brush. There's ways to do this.

1:13:21There's ways to do that. You stop the fuel. You develop better systems for water distribution, sprinkler systems. There's ways to do this. And he talked about those ways on the podcast. And it's like, you know, eerily accurate when you see what happened to the Pacific Palsuits. Yeah, well that clip of you predicting the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. That was a, see here's a thing this climate change narrative This is a really goofy thing that people on the left are talking about. This is because of climate change This is climate change causes fire LA has had essentially the same weather pattern since the 1800s since they started noticing them There's a great video here.

1:14:00I'll send it to you Jamie. There's a great video of the to Pangal fires. You might be able to find it before I could pull it up. The Pangal fires from 1961, I believe. There was a huge fire that raged through the Hollywood Hills pre -climate change. 1961. LA has always been dry as fuck. It's a deser. That's why the movie industry is there. Because you could film outside and you don't have to worry about it raining on you. That's literally why they came there. Because it's the perfect climate. It's amazing. I was just there last weekend. The weather's incredible. But the city, because of their ridiculous policies, is just a fucking disaster.

1:14:37A dangerous, creepy, weird disaster of a city. It was 1961 bell airfire. It's probably the same time period. Could be. Could be. So this is a windy, some the same brush fire wind. But I mean, that's just what happens, man. So the situation that I encountered was from 2000, 2000 I was filming Fear Factor so it had to be before 2007 So it was really before a lot of this I mean, you know you had the inconvenient truth documentary, but you didn't have the type of Climate change discussions that you have today you think it was more it's just LA Okay, it's just LA. It's not a climate change issue Gotta find this video.

1:15:20I know I have a thousand acres burned 450 homeless burn here's aftermath math, houses, digging through it. Yeah, that is a black and white one. The one that I had was color footage. I know I have it. Just give me a second. I will find it. The documentary is called Design for Disaster that popping up. This also says Bill Er. Here, I'm just going through my Whitney Cummings and it to me. So I'm going through my videos with her. I'll find it in a second. But the point is, it's like, When I experienced that, this was not when everybody was chiming in about climate change being the... here it is, I found it.

1:16:011960s, it was in the can in here, it was all sent to you, Chamber.

1:16:07Yeah. And it's one of those guys talking like this because that's how they talked in the news back then. So it's a 1961 documentary about the fires. And so when I was talking to this fireman, I think it was 2003. I think it was 2003. And we were experiencing a fire and he told me, because where I lived I had been evacuated three times. I had been evacuated in the early 2000s. So give me some volume on this. You can hear the way this guy talks. X. The ground cover in the western hemisphere. The fire starting from its point of origin north of Mulholland on Stone Canyon. Spreads out along canyon walls and three directions.

1:16:55Flames began spreading at the rate of 13 acres per minute. We've got to employ four people trapped on foot. Between Sean and Rastomer, we need help from the place departments. In the name of the 2025 St .O .L .A. Road. How can a modern water system properly design to meet emergency fire conditions failed a function? 484 times fire proved its deadly efficiency by incinerating in a few roaring minutes what families had taken years to acquire. 134. So that has always been a problem. So they had the same issue back then. The 100 % same issue. So this idea that these left wing people, particularly media people, they want to use is this binary thing.

1:17:39This is what I saw. Trump said drill, baby drill, right after we're dealing with this climate change fueled emergency and the Pacific Palisades and climate change. That is not climate change. It is the climate of Los Angeles. It's a fucking desert. They put a city in the fucking desert because they wanted to film movies there. And it's also windy in the winter because you get the Santa Ana winds, which is what just occurred where you get these 100 mile, they're historic. They've always happened. Every year we get the sand and there's fire season for a fucking reason. There's, Los Angeles has fire season, where I used to live, it was fire season.

1:18:19And every time the winter would come and everything was dry and all the vegetation was brown and the wind was whipping around, everybody would get nervous. Because you get, you know, there's a bunch of different reasons, the one big one from 2018, they found out that it was like some part that had failed, that initially caused a fire, that was a $1 part. The part cost $1. Is $1 piece that they failed to replace caused the sparks that led to the initial fire that was the 2018 fire where you saw, if you go down the 405 in Hollywood, like half of the side of the highway was completely engulfed in flames.

1:18:59It looked apocalyptic. It was bananas driving on the highway and the whole left side of the highways completely on fire Which a giant hills of raging fires that they couldn't put out. It's always been like this. It's Los Angeles It's Los Angeles. Why didn't they Adapt I got I lived in L .A. for two years. I'm on the volunteer fire department in my town where I live now in Massachusetts and we don't have fire hydrants That's so crazy. We're out by conquered, they're near there. Yeah, I know that. So there's no fire hikers. And so we bring our own water. That's so crazy. But it's possible, it's my point.

1:19:39It's possible. And the problem with this past fire, and here's another thing that's a lot of weird pushback against, that it was arson caused. Hey, some of it was arson caused. Fact, they've arrested people. They arrested people for starting fires. They've arrested multiple people for starting fires my friend Andrew Huberman filmed people starting fires They were starting fires in the middle of this fire disaster Because it doesn't mean it's the cause of it It means along the way there was a lot of arson like some people were saying that you know Oh, there's this false narrative that was the homeless people like Okay, whether they had a house or whether it didn't have a house some people started fucking fires There's video footage of the three fires that are started semi -simultaneously That are near the palisades and on one of the video footage It's very clear that there's a human being is like from the sky where they're filming this There's a human being that's near the fire Most likely the cause of the fire was a person who either accidentally did this or did it on purpose lit a fire So the problem is not fucking climate change.

1:20:54The problem is LA is extremely vulnerable when it comes to fires and always has been and they've done very little to mitigate this yearly disaster problem that they have. That's the facts, that's the reality of it. That's indisputable. Do you think even Newsom's gonna be the end of him or people gonna put up with it? I would like to think that people would wise up. I mean, there's been a trend in California to devote in the opposite direction. If you look at the map of 2020 versus the map of 2024, the counties that went red, like a significant number. But the high population centers are in the trance.

1:21:35The San Francisco, Los Angeles, very difficult to get those people to vote anything other than blue. And so if the people that are Democrat are giving them the exact same solutions, the exact same gas lighting and they keep buying it over and over again and they still win elections. Then there's no incentive for them to correct course. So this is why California has been essentially blue since except for the time where Arnold won, which is weird, right? Because he was kind of like a moderate Republican and also famous and that probably led to him winning. But other than that, since Reagan, he did something where he allowed people that came here and what was the issue that Reagan did?

1:22:22There was some sort of a voting issue where he allowed people from, I think it was people that had emigrated here illegally from Mexico. There's coffee and water. Whatever you like. There's water in that glass right there. But California is basically locked blue. And the only thing that's going to change it is things like these specific palisades fires where people realize we have incompetent government. And if we have competent government that is right wing and as long as they don't infringe on civil rights and human rights and all the things that were terrified of from right wing extremists.

1:22:58As long as they don't do that, you'll probably be better off leaning in that direction. if someone's gonna take a pragmatic solution, a pragmatic view of what these problems are, and make meaningful change. Like you've gotta figure out what is, first of all, what the fires, it's like this all could be prevented. What's causing the fire? Well, all this brush, they had record rainfall, record rainfall means record growth. So you have record growth of all these grasses and brush and all this stuff. So it's all green and lush. until LA runs out of water because it stops raining for a long time and then everything turns brown and then it's a tender.

1:23:36It's just fire tender. It's just a fire. When the fire chief says if we'd had a thousand more trucks of wooden have, quote, tamped this down. But then we see an old man with a garden hose able to save his house. It's like, well, an individual was able to make a difference. So then logically a difference could be made. There was one guy who put lawn sprinklers on his roof. Milk or orange juice, I saw one guy. It's difficult to have those two narratives. They contradict each other. They do. But I mean, the firefighters are saying once the fire is raging, even if they had 100 trucks, you're dealing with 100 mile an hour winds.

1:24:19And you've got this enormous, like, if someone did start these fires, if they were started by arson, The way they did it was very strategic because they essentially did it upwind. They did it like right where the wind was going to blow the fire into the city. Like if you started that fire at the outskirts of the city, it would just burn to an area that's not populated. They started it right where all the brush was, right where all the woods were, where the wind was at its back. And then they started it in multiple areas so that it would come and spread out in this way that was like impossible to stop.

1:24:55So once it gets big like to this day like what is the fire? Yesterday I read that it was 60 I think it was 65 % contained. This is like we're in weeks right? Weeks into this at one point in time. It was 0 % contained. It was just burning through and if you haven't seen There's a great video. I'll send you this Jamie of an overhead view of what it looks like now and it's 68 % contained today. I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because it's a helicopter that is flying over the palisades and you get to see like the extent of the devastation. And until you see it like with your own eyes from the air, it's hard to understand how big the destruction is, how enormous the amount of land that was destroyed, the amount of homes that were destroyed.

1:25:49And not just destroyed. Here is like you can see this here. I mean, this is crazy. This is absolutely crazy. And the video is larger, Jamie, if you get like shrink it a little, so that way you can see the top. So there's words at the top that block off some of it, but it goes on like way above that. See that? Like this is an enormous piece of land covered with homes that's gone. Not just gone, but now poisoned. So now not only are these homes burnt, but everything that was in the homes, all the plastics, all the chemicals, all the batteries, Teslas, all these different electric cars, all the electronics, all the toxic chemicals that come from the building materials, all that is now seeped into the ground and we'll eventually seep into the water.

1:26:49It's gonna get into the water supply. It's probably gonna get into the ocean. It's gonna wash into the ocean. Yeah, I don't think people realize how toxic that stuff is. Not just that, it's in the air. So, you know, they can say the weather quality or the air quality is good in California based on how much smog there is. But what's in the fucking smog now? Because this is not just automobile smog. This is not just just dry dirt kicked up by the wind. which they've always had. Like the smog in Los Angeles existed before there were cars because there was always this problem with the way the valley is shaped.

1:27:29The valley just contains all this air in there and you would get dust pollution even back before there were fucking cars. Or if there was anybody that was burning coal or you had fireplaces or that kind of shit, you're getting all that smoke that was always contained in that area. It's just a bad place for air. And so then, atop of that, you've got all these homes that were burnt and all this toxic waste, all this burning plastic and burning chemicals. Now that's all in the air, and no one's discussing that. Like it has to be bad for you. If you live near that, all those firemen that are breathing that shit in, That's gonna have long -term health consequences for those guys.

1:28:15Yeah. For all those people that are dealing with all that shit, all those people that are anywhere near it, your air is air of like, do you know the story of the toxic burn pits from Iraq? No. In Afghanistan. So during the war, when troops were on a base overseas, they would take all their garbage and burn it. So they burned it in these waste pits And so the wind would shift and blow through the camp and all these people are breathing toxic air extremely toxic in fact Biden's son died from a brain cancer that they Connected to his exposure in the military to the toxic burn pits is that there's a a whole swarm of health consequences that veterans have faced because these toxic burn pits.

1:29:11So the dumbest fucking way to deal with garbage of all time make the troops breathe it in as you burn it. It's the same kind of thing that's happening in LA. It's the same shit. You're breathing burnt garbage, burnt refuge, burnt buildings, burnt cars, burnt tires. All that stuff you're breathing in. I didn't realize how often you don't think about firefighters, but they're exposed to that. All the time. The guys on the, it's all volunteer round, but the guys that, you know, in their 50s, 60s and you're just like hacking all the time. Yeah. And it's like a sacrifice they make knowingly. Yeah. It's the gear.

1:29:51It's never, because you can't just wash fire gear. Right. You got to have it specially washed. And so there's like the kitchen and the firehouse, right? and you can't bring the no gear allowed in the kitchen because it's, but you know, you put it on, go home. You're supposed to shower every time, you keep it, that doesn't happen. So it's just crazy. Also they're fucking exhausted. Like, you know, you don't even wanna shower. You just wanna close your fucking eyes. You work in 28 hours. You get a couple hours to sleep before you get back out there again. It's fucking insane. And still, 68 % contained.

1:30:23Today was today's date, the 23rd. I raised some people talking about the lot, That was the camp fire from a few years ago. The Deccontainment number starts getting used as a big political tool and it'll never end up being 100 % just kind of keep pushing the number around to talk about stuff and just never. Just eventually just goes away. What do you mean? Like the big number for the biggest fire. They've contained 100 % of a small fire. Like the biggest fire, it'll always stay at a number that's below 100%. Well, if it's still up. It's still a fire. Not just a political tool they're saying. The residents there just got sick of it.

1:30:57They're like this is now political thing going back and forth like tell us what it is right where is the fire if it's not contained kind of thing Like it just becomes a thing that no one gas the answers for right that is a weird thing right We want to put numbers on stuff like like today. We're like is it 65 versus 68 % contain like fucking what so fire fire Still up. There's still a fire right now January 22nd. There's still fire in Los Angeles. It's been going on for weeks When did it start? What was the date of fire start? That was reading through something on New York Times, one possible thing, which doesn't sound right, but they're just going, it's possible.

1:31:31In that area, someone was lighting fireworks on the night of the first, and there was a small fire that started, and some firemen went up to put it out, and they stayed to see if it was gonna catch back up, and five days later, they're like, is that the same fire? Because it wasn't really close to the same spot. You were real weird if to start back up five days later, but it's really makes sense. That doesn't make sense. It also doesn't make sense if you think about how windy it was and the fact that everything's dry They're saying I can go into the roots, which is I'm never that's from just starting here that Okay, maybe you can maybe but five days later it starts up again as a raging inferno That's for you.

1:32:06Perhaps perhaps but there is also evidence that people lit fires There's also people who got arrested for lighting fires. It wouldn't surprise me, man If you heard the book monkey wrench gang. No Eco -terrorism, these like friends living out of a van, they go around and back originally monkey wrenching was sabotaging for environmental reasons, big equipment to fight back against that kind of thing. I had a friend back in high school, went to this boarding school and he was really into it and that's where I learned about this book and but it wouldn't surprise me if that kind of thinking carried over and someone because you saw coffee cats, there's definitely people out there that have a reason.

1:32:48Yeah, well there's disturbed individuals in our society. That's why we have school shooters, right? That's why we have, we have a lot of things that people do that's horrible, that are horrible. And one of the things that people do is they start fires. It's a known thing and to pretend that it's not possible because it doesn't appeal to your narrative. It doesn't fit with your narrative of the homeless thing. We just have to be compassionate because these are people and there's a housing shortage and it's just housing, housing, housing. No, you have open air drug markets and mentally ill people and fire.

1:33:23And it's possible that that's what's caused it. LAWIRAL Files Rekindle, Eco -Terror, and Suspect Manhunt, after fake firefighters arrested. Yeah, that's the thing. There were fake firefighters that were arrested and there was also fake cops. But I think that was, if I had a guess, it was more about stealing than anything. because there was organized looting where they were breaking into homes in areas where there were people are gonna be abandoned LA man, it's not my cup of tea, but it's it's tragic one of those firefighters has a history of ours and that's why they're talking about it. Oh great One of the firefighters one of the fake firefighters.

1:33:58Oh, yeah, there you go One of them has a criminal history of arson gee. What's the odds? Well, he definitely didn't do it again and he learned his lesson, Jamie. A fake fire truck. A pair of fake fire trucks from Oregon. Where'd he get a fake fire truck? Yeah, he's like dedicated. He's like the Michael Jordan of fake fire truck. He's like a million bucks. He got a used one. Did you see the thing in LA where they had the lot, where they showed all of the fire trucks that were out of service? Hundreds. Oh, they're bringing them back in service. No, no, no, they were broken down. They hadn't bothered fixing them.

1:34:34So a journalist got to the lot and was filming from the outside. I think Shellenberger had it on his Twitter page, but a journalist got to this lot where these fire trucks were, where they were supposed to be repaired. There was hundreds that weren't repaired. Like just a fucking huge parking lot. Yeah, that's insane. She's 75 Los Angeles fire trucks wait for repairs as wildfires rage, while city spends 1 .3 billion on the homeless. This is New York Post. I heard it was more than 75. I had this guy had a film of it and showed and it looked like a shit ton of trucks That we're fixed you should fix those you would have had more trucks The reason is gonna be well.

1:35:18We're backed up It takes so long like to get a fire truck even ordered it takes about a year I mean maybe that could work where there's very few fires and it's just essentially home fires We're fine where we are. Yeah, but it rains where you are too. Yeah. California, it does not fucking rain for long stretches of time. That I think California had gone eight months without rain when these fires started. This is common. This is why this climate change, it's climate change. This is not a change in the climate. This is the climate of California. You see it from the 1961 video. You see it from when I was evacuated.

1:35:57Three times I was evacuated. The house is in front of my old house burnt to the ground in 2018. Both of them. Like when you were talking about it and that clip that goes around, it's like there's nothing they can do. The right wind. Yes. It's going. This firefighter told me that when we were filming Fairfactor, he freaked me out. He said it's just going to take the right wind. He goes, we just get lucky. So is there any preparation that could have? Yeah, you got to get rid of all the brush. Okay. Number one, you got to get rid of all the stuff that starts fire. That's possible to do. That's not impossible.

1:36:31That's not like putting a person on Venus. This is like something that could be done. Like if you have enough money for all that you've spent 24 billion dollars on the homeless crisis Didn't put a dent in it. You could have fixed the brush. You could have fixed that reservoir that was empty Giant 11 million gallon reservoir of water completely dry You could have fixed that you could have saved homes Maybe you wouldn't have saved all of them. You could have saved a lot. You could have saved people's lives And they didn't and it was incompetent and it was poor planning and it was you know, they had a lot of Ideas that weren't good.

1:37:11They had a lot of Things that they paid attention to and things they focused on that were important What was really important is preventing these kind of reoccurring disasters continuously I've seen a bunch of them. Like I said, I was evacuated multiple times, but I've seen multiple other fires that I wasn't evacuated from that were huge. And all sorts of areas around L .A. It's dry as fuck. One of the big ones that we experienced was, it was like we were out filming in, like, out in the Tatcha P area. Like we're near to Hone Ranch. We're filming this thing at this ranch. and we had a cut filming short.

1:37:56And when we were driving home, the entire right side of the highway, for like, almost an hour was on fire as I was driving home. So you're driving, ash is falling from the sky like snow, and the whole time you're driving, it's apocalyptic. The whole right side of the highway is inflamed. So I'll clip it out. Yes, it's surreal. So this has always been a problem with LA. So these climate change cooks, these left wing cooks that want to put everything into these like very binary categories. Like this is because the Republicans refused to agree to climate change and call climate change as a whole.

1:38:35It's a climate change. No, this is LA. This is the climate of LA. Is this the fire trucks? He said how it's shown is posted, but... Oh, he probably posted it too. A lot. Quite a few people on Twitter posted it. But there is all these fire trucks that were in this lot. This is another video that I saw. I think multiple people posted them, but they're all out of commission. They're all just sitting there. And obviously they could have used them, but that's only part of the problem. Part of the problem is planning correctly. Part of the problem is there was enough water for the fire hydrants, so the fire hydrants went dry.

1:39:13The whole thing's nuts. And when Trump talked about it on the podcast, he was eerily accurate. He was eerily accurate as to, you know, what the problem was and he offered a solution. And to save the smelt, they didn't want to do this solution. Well, this department with Elon, you can just imagine what Elon could do with like the fire truck problem. Yeah. But he can't do everything. Well, you can't do everything with states, right? Because states have states rights. and they have, you know, like, one of the things they arrested this one guy for arson, and they couldn't necessarily prove that he was an arsonist, because they didn't, they had one guy they found with an actual blowtorch, but they couldn't prove that he lit the fires with the blowtorch.

1:39:57But this guy had been arrested multiple times, including for vandalism and all sorts of other things, and I believe assault. And Ice wanted to deport him, but the California sanctuary state law, the way it's set up, they weren't allowed to deport this guy. So they're just gonna let him go. He'd been arrested eight times this person in like, you know, short amount of time. So this is like a real problem person. And they were like, hey, maybe this guy shouldn't be in the fucking country lighting things on fire. And they're like, no, we have sanctuary. Sanctuary. I don't know. I don't know what the latest is.

1:40:33I try not to pay too much attention. I'll go crazy. But California is deep in the trance, deep. And I think the only thing that's gonna snap people out of it is something like this, where they realize, oh my God, these people are completely incompetent. It used to be the homeless situation was a little bit of a wake up call. This is like next level. This is like next level incompetence wake up call. And so I'm hoping that someone can come along that's a reasonable conservative person that can shift things in California. Like appeal to people's concerns when it comes to social issues, you know, women's rights, gay rights, the things that people are terrified of when it comes to right wing, you know, when you think about like far right fascist governments that are going to clamp down on people's rights.

1:41:21Like, what we're really worried about is disenfranchised people and marginalized groups and people that are more maligned, right? So if someone can just like appeal to that, so like we have no desire to stop gay marriage. We have no desire to limit women's reproductive rights. But what we do want to do is make a more fiscally sound city and have more conservative policies in terms of what are we spending our money on and what are the results? You can't just say, oh, we work for a homeless initiative and so, oh, well, you got a blank check. Do whatever you want to do. It should be like, what have you done?

1:41:56How have you solved the problem? Hey, look, we spent $24 billion and homelessness went up by a significant amount, tens of thousands of new homeless people while we spent $24 billion. This is not effective. So whatever you guys are doing, you're shitty at it. So we don't want you doing it anymore. We're gonna bring in someone who has some more progress, something that's gonna progress the idea better. You know, someone is gonna fix this problem better, someone's got a more pragmatic solution. If they could do that, but they have to appeal to people that are deep blue, they're deep blue, They're blue no matter who and the problem with California is very unique and More unique than New York in that California the entire city is Established around the entertainment industry and it's established around the dream if you go to Los Angeles You can make it well in order to go to Los Angeles and make it if you're an actor You have to audition and when you're auditioning you're auditioning to people that have almost Animals universally have a very specific political ideology.

1:43:04You can't be a part of the group. You can't be a part of the team if you're a right -wing Christian Republican and you're making films that doesn't exist. You got like Mel Gibson and a few outliers, that's it. Clint Eastwood, a few outliers. For the most part, if you are an actor and you want to work in Hollywood, and by the way Mel Gibson and all those guys will hire left -wing people, these people will not hire right -wing people. So you see everyone sort of morph their personality and morph their political ideology and their social ideology Around what's going to get them picked? Yeah, because you're when you're an actor you have to get picked So if like you and I go for a part and there's a bunch of other people going for a part and we're all like Similarly qualified in terms of like the look that this part is looking for A lot of it is determined about whether they like you and how they would run off the blacklisting idea Oh yeah, if you go against your union, that's how unions have power.

1:44:02Yes. Across the picket line, you're going to be blacklisted and you'd be ostracized and that is real consequences in LA because people don't realize what I always describe it when I'm teaching that class of filmmaking is Hollywood is the very definition of a raid game. Yes, it's a rig game. They can shut you out. And so this is the underlying philosophy of the entire city. So even though there's only a certain amount of people that are actors in L .A. There's a lot of people that wanted to be actors. And there's a lot of people that want to be famous. And so they get their fame from their small social media.

1:44:40They get like a little adrenaline and dopamine drip off of like social media likes. And like maybe I have my TikTok and go viral. And then they get a little fame from that. There's a bunch of fame seekers. All those people are locked into this cult -like thinking. So it's very difficult to get them out of that. It's the technology, I think, is going to rebu -lue. We're on the precipice of this. We were talking about Heath Ledger earlier. What happened to those kind of independent movies that I remember being in high school before going into film school and watching those monsters ball candy. The small Heath, I think, independent movies that made you feel like they were just made for you.

1:45:26They weren't like Marvel or Disney, right? And we don't see those anymore because everything's changing in the industry for multiple reasons. The strikes had a lot to do with it. I think it's a strange paradox where you have more of an ability to reach an audience than ever before, but there's fewer writing positions, movies being made. There's this shortage of, there's this hiring shortage, but cameras more accessible than ever. You were talking about the potential for someone to come, I mean, I think it's only a matter of time, so it does happen. The daily wires trying kind of with pin drag and cycle.

1:46:04What's that? They were doing an Arthurian legend. Their attempted game of thrones, which would be if it were to land, could be massive. I'm in my theory as it could be the tipping point because it's going non my understand is is non -union you have angel studios and they're the kind of trying to compete but we've never had an alternative to the union model the traditional production model which drives that production costs because there's nothing stopping you from getting a camera going out there doing it except for the rigged game which says well we're gonna black you should we won't distribute your movie there's all these different parameters you're not about SAG sanction, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1:46:42If Daily Wire could land the Penn Dragon cycle, and it were to be a solid enough story on the equivalence of like Game of Thrones, it could change so much, but there's the recent Breit Cooper stuff that's going on, it's just so much Breit Cooper leaving the daily wire. What's that story? She was, she's no longer at the Daily Wire, the comment section, you know Breit Cooper, she created the comment section of Daily Wire. the comment section. Comment section. And it's got a new way of this, Jamie. A little bit. A little bit. Yeah, and then they hired someone else to host it. Yeah, I'll break it down.

1:47:17Break it down. What's going to happen? She developed, they hired her. Like we want you to start, yeah, we want you to start this YouTube channel for Gen Z. We want you to feel like you're a streamer. Let's hear what she says. Let's rewind that shit. Let's hear what she has to say. Just a little bit.

1:47:34Hey guys, some of you have heard the rumors online and the rumors are mostly true. Today, December 10th will be my last day hosting the comment section and working for the daily wire. It is not true that I am being forced out. It was my own choice to leave and believe me this is better sweet. I have had the most unbelievable three years helping to craft the show, building this community and telling stories and sharing the truth every day. Through the comments section, you all have made me braver, more articulate, more thoughtful, more hopeful than I could have ever imagined, and I'm grateful that we spent this time together.

1:48:05And I'm grateful that the Daily Wire gave us a platform to grow this community. But at this point in my life, I am ready to take on a new direction, both personally and professionally. This means new challenges and new endeavors, which I will share with you soon. As for the show, the comments section will continue with the Daily Wire. My producer, Reagan, is taking over as host of the comments section, and I wish her and the Daily Wire all the best. We have had three great years and I am proud of what we've accomplished together. Leaving the show and the platforms that we've built is hard, but I'm very excited for what's to come.

1:48:34Knowing that we have brought so many people together and left through you. Okay, pause this. I'm not hearing this. So what I mean, not hearing is like what caused? No one knows exactly. There's speculation because the girl who took the place was her best, her maid of honor and her wedding. Best friend was the producer of the show. It'd be like Jamie taking your place, except for obviously not, you know. But that's what's happened to me. And it's nose to dive. It's pulling like it used to pull like half a million views per video. It's pulling 40 ,000 now. And there was this theory that they had trained Reagan with a higher enacting coach because her mannerisms were the exact same hand movements.

1:49:12Everything we were talking about, nonverbal communication even more important to that. And it was Eerie. She has started a YouTube channel that's already amassed half and she hasn't posted any videos, so there's a lot of loyalists to her, but she grew this channel to over 4 million people in the last three years, she's hearing, and she starred in the pin drag and cycle. She used to act. But what was the problem though? We don't know. We don't know. There's speculation that she, it exploded the channel, so it's likely for applying critical thinking to this. It's more than likely that she approached Jeremy Boring daily, why are you like, look guys, I'd like to be paid more than what I'm making because I'm pulling more views than anybody at the daily wire, possibly.

1:49:55There's what, she was living on this farm with a commute, she was a little frustrated with that. Maybe it's, she wanted to, there's speculation, she wanted to run her show kind of from her house. We're gonna be in there. But no one knows exactly, there's India's and everything. So it's hard when someone is a part of a channel and then their show blows up and they realize like, oh, I could have done this on my own, which is the reality. The reality is like being a part of a channel, it doesn't really get you much, obviously, because the new show only has 40 ,000 views, right? True, true. But Jeremy Borey's response would be, yeah, but we throw the daily wires advertising money behind these people who spend a lot in advertising.

1:50:35We lose a lot of money before we make any money. Yeah, but from what shows, not the shows that are successful. The shows that are successful are successful. Like that you lose, that's the product, that's like the record business version of arithmetic. you can't buy the elusive intangible. Yeah, their record business is notoriously horrible with that. So they have a model where when they sign an artist, the artist gets an advance, right? And then the advance, you're responsible for so much. You're responsible for advertising. They take into account a bunch of artists they spend money on that doesn't create money.

1:51:16So they have all this Hollywood math that they apply Hollywood accounting and at the end of it like they make more than you and you make almost nothing So that's very likely a possibility and they throw as much shit against the wall as possible Think of a record company, you know, they might They might fund a bunch of different artists Predow distribution. Yeah, and then only one or two of them take off But those one or two of them are that's prints and he's getting fucked and meanwhile is a giant superstar I like Prince had to change his name. He was like, okay, well, you own Prince. You guys don't, okay, I'm this now.

1:51:49I'm a fucking squiggly lion. That's what he did. So it was the artist formerly known as Prince. You know, and you know that? Like Prince for a while when he was in, was it Warner Brothers? Whoever he was in dispute with. He changed his name to a symbol. And that was how he could still perform. He was like, yeah, you don't own this bitch. And there's probably a non -compete clause. That's just why she hasn't posted anything yet. Crazy it's yeah, but you know, that's what you get if you want the shortcut right the shortcut is being a part of Channel, you know I'm gonna connect myself to a channel and you know I'm gonna agree to give them X amount percentage of what I do It's really not a smart way to do it today It's not necessary because today all you have to do is have a camera and a backdrop and just start recording and and organically, if your content is good, your thing can grow, and then it's yours.

1:52:42It's all yours. And then getting advertising is not hard. If you're successful, you get an agent. You get an advertising agent. They bring you me on these ads and all kinds of shit. Next thing you know, you're making money. You're making money off your channel. And then your channel grows organically. And then you don't have to deal with executives telling you what kind of guests you should have on or what topics you should avoid or what things you should accentuate. And we would like you to talk about this today like all that stuff is you know and then as you get more and more famous from your work you realize no the people like me like this is the reason why this show was going on and I've got to pay these assholes 60 % of everything I'm making and this is dumb if I was on YouTube independently I would be rich right now I'd be making good money I'd have a nice car and instead I'm getting a salary and my salary is not really representative of how much income I'm bringing into the company.

1:53:34I mean, you got like someone like Jordan Peterson who did partner with the same company and maybe that allows him to do more like traveling over what they do like the, you know, Jerusalem series. Right, but I bet he got a better deal. First of all, Jordan Peterson, he's already famous, you know, and he like they would throw money at him. You know, like there was that famous thing with Stephen Crowder, where Stephen Crowder showed up. Yeah. People were using that in context of this thing, this kind of. Yeah, so the the the crowded thing was kind of weird because you recorded a conversation a private conversation that he had Yeah, but the the whole thing behind it is like you're getting money to agree to be a part of a company And the only reason why they would be willing to give you that money is if they're gonna make money Like they have to take taking a chance.

1:54:18I went through a similar thing with Spotify, but Spotify was great There was no issues at all It was like we think this show is really valuable we're gonna give you a lot of money to be exclusive on Spotify and just that's it. Pretty simple. No input at all in terms of like who I should have on or what I should talk about or you know there was nothing. It was there was a few hiccups during the COVID days where you know they were experiencing so many attacks. They were they were getting like strong pressure to try to remove the podcast and they didn't buckle. They hung in there. Yeah good for them.

1:54:56I'm very loyal to them because that because what they did was Pretty extraordinary a lot of people were caved and they did not cave But to bring a bit you see how that now is gonna they've already filmed the pin drag and cycle this whole thing this artarian Mm -hmm, so it's probably gonna impact it. Well, I hope it's good You know, too. The thing is like who's right and it? How good are the people that are writing it? How good is the story? Hope it's good about the story. Yeah, it's it's all the story. It's all about how good is it? You know, because I was thinking about that on the airplane.

1:55:31Like how the logic of story, trying to connect all these dots and everything, but I think there is a... an inherent... there are patterns, like I was talking about mathematics, how I can't think about math. I need a visual. I think when you're writing a movie, when it clicks into place, you can feel it. And they call it cracking the story. They hire writers to crack the story, almost like it's a math problem. So to me that indicates that there's like this fabric of the cell I think about, there's this fabric of reality that stories tap into that you're trying to connect to and you can, so you feel it when it clicks in.

1:56:14And you're almost when it is when it does click and you have that hook, you're like, this is the reason to make why this movie is interesting. Right. Right, right. Then you're almost making it for the sake of the story, not the audience, but the audience will come as a consequence. Yeah. As opposed to today, where people think they can make movies for the audience like Disney, but they're discarding the very fabric of the reality of these stories that they can, when we can change snow white. Right. And then that screws them up. Yeah, fuck, well, it's also people like really resistant to that now.

1:56:45They're getting so upset about it. They don't want you to force feed them. some sort of activist version of a story. They just wanted stories. They want the thing where you're saying, like you get it, like, oh, we found it. This is the hook, this is the meat of the story. This is the exciting, this is a thing that resonates with people. That's why it's so frustrating when you go to a movie and that never happens. You never get hooked in. Yeah, because you can take the same story and tell it different ways. Hmm Logically there's one ideal way you're never gonna quite get there But because I was watching beautiful mine on the airplane which is I think oh my favorite movie.

1:57:25I'm trying to think of one's better It's just amazing movie. Yeah. Yeah that movie nailed it. Yeah, they nailed it That's why I'm thinking so much about like math and everything well That there's kind of a math to it right that's my point. Yeah. Yeah, and then done Kirk all right So I this blew my mind so the golden ratio can be found in music, movies, everything. Then someone should be on your arm. This is the golden ratio. One, wait, one to 1 .6. Then from here, one, wait, sorry, one to 1 .6. In your hand, one to 1 .6. Your finger to the knuckle, one to 1 .6. Now if you break down what Nolan did in Duncirk, this is probably getting too nerdy and everything, he took three different storylines, did what he does with the shepherd tone.

1:58:15And air, land and sea, land is a, is a, the story is takes place over a week. Air, an hour, sea, a day. And then he does what he does with the shepherd's home, which is in Batman and all of his movies. It's an ascending tone, like a barbershop spiral that is infinite. where you, the first sound is like crescendo, and then it fades out, and the middle one is consistent, and the top one is going down, and it sounds to the human ear infinite. He took that which he's used in the Batmobile, the Batman's bike, the music he's used, and the prestige in most of his movies. If you listen to Dunkirk, you hear the sound, and it's just increasing tension, and you don't even notice it almost.

1:59:02It's because it never reaches a crescendo, so you feel like something's off, but you never quite get there. He then takes that and structures the frickin story as a shepard tone to the point where at the very end and you are in that frickin, the golden ratio. So this is the meat of the movie and that final hour of air, the three stories converge. There's a mathematical formula to why it's not a coincidence. And that was what separates him. So there's a math, Matthew seems uniquely uninfluenced by pop culture too. I think he famously doesn't have email. He's one of those guys who doesn't have a phone, doesn't have email, and obviously incredibly brilliant person.

1:59:49So he's obviously aware of email. He's aware of phones, but I think he's probably one of those guys who goes, you know what, the more that's coming in that's influencing me, is it's gonna fuck with my ability to have a vision, a unique personal vision based on what I know resonates with people and what I know resonates with me and how to make a story that really works. Yeah, I think you're writing for yourself. You should treat yourself. That's what I do with my YouTube stuff. You don't try and do it for a newbie. You do it for the thing. You make the thing the best thing it can do. Yeah, which is what you want to see.

2:00:27That's how you judge it. How do you know if it's good or not? Because what I would want to say, I'm going to try and make it as good as what I would want to see. Right.

2:00:37It is a fascinating medium, right? Because now it's also being challenged by these shows that are essentially long movies, like Ozark. Ozark is a long movie. Yeah, and you can get so much on this pranos. You get so much more into depth with the characters and the interactions and and everything that's below the boat You know, yeah, there's so much more when you have six seasons Yeah, I heard you talking to Tarantino about that. Yeah Well, he was talking he's disparaging talked about the old stone being a soap opera But he but he also talked about a homeland about homeland was an exception to that because it was essentially this an amazing moment at the end of the first season where the show is like a homeland first season was incredible and it is like a movie it's really good it's really well -made and at the end of it you're like wow this is a fucking incredible piece of just artwork have you seen Taylor Sheridan's new show Landman I have I watch one episode I haven't seen it all it takes a bit to get into it but it's he's doing something that no one else is doing I was a little thrown off by the lady who's playing his daughter because she's clearly like 30 years old.

2:01:50And I'm like, how are you telling me she's 17? It's crazy. It's crazy with that. But that's crazy. Like that girl looks like she's got to be 25 years old. Do you think? Well, let's find out. Yeah. No, I know she is. We looked at it. From our producers perspective, yeah, you're not going to hire a freaking 18. You're going to hire someone over 18 for labor laws. For sure. So she's definitely, well, how about some of those 18? But you can't. Like, so then you can get around the label. Okay. even 1819. At least she looks like she could be 17. Yeah, that's her. 27. Okay, you got it. 27. That's, you know, beautiful lady, but looks like a lady.

2:02:27Yeah, it looks like a beautiful woman. It does not look like a high school kid. Good point. And so when you're seeing that, it throws you off like a media like what are you doing here? T -Share. This is nuts. Yeah. This doesn't make any sense. Yeah. I'm not saying she looks bad at all. She looks great. She looks but she looks like a mature woman. She doesn't look like a young child So when he's got this dynamic where he's dealing this like wild rebellious teenage daughter Yeah, and like hey bro. She's lying What's the last time you saw her that might not be the same person Billy box hilarious though.

2:03:00He's great He's fucking awesome great rants about climate change in oil. He's a phenomenal actor Well, that's the other thing about climate change like listen if you really think that it's oil is the problem of climate change Well, you better change your whole fucking life after everything in your goddamn. Somebody says everything in your goddamn life is made with oil. Everything in your hair, everything in your car, everything in your phone, everything in your fucking life is made with oil. And you're reading the Elon's biography on the airplane, but do you think he could... He thinks he could get the solution with the solar, with the battery walls and the battery roof.

2:03:38Could that work? I don't know. It may work, but you're still dealing with some kind of pollution from break dust. You're dealing with, we actually pulled this up recently we were talking about, it was an enormous percent of more pollutants are released into the atmosphere because of electric cars than combustion engines because of break dust. So electric cars, the one thing good about electric cars is specifically Teslas. Tesla's have regenerative braking. So when I drive my Tesla, oftentimes I don't even have to hit the brakes. Because I just let off the gas when I'm getting close to an intersection, I gently tap the brakes when I get close to the line where the red light is.

2:04:21But when you're driving normally, it's like one foot driving. The brakes work, but you don't have to use them. Because when you let off the brakes or let off the gas, the car slows itself. And it slows, it doesn't coast. Like you can't just hit 60 miles an hour and then let your foot off the gas and it'll just kind of cruise along It doesn't do that. It slows down like considerably because it's regenerating electricity through this regenerative breaking aspect of it So that probably has less brake dust than other electric cars but You know there's electric cars that you'll drive like if you drive like the Porsche Taycan It's an amazing electric car.

2:05:02It doesn't have that regenerative braking thing or at least it's maybe it's a setting And you know the car that I was in didn't have it turned on But when you let off the gas it just coats like a regular car So those cars are much heavier than regular cars much heavier and there's a problem with guard rails because of that So guard rails are designed for a car that's a specific weight and You know most cars weigh somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 ,000, 5 ,000 pounds. But when you add batteries, so if you have a car that's filled with enormous amounts of batteries, that car is a lot heavier than a regular car.

2:05:40And some of those cars just go right through those guardrails. We, because there's just too much mass. So you have more brake dust that gets into the air because you have to slow down this much larger, heavier vehicle or much more mass. And when you're doing that, you're generating more brake dust. And the only solution to that, we talked about it, like carbon fiber breaks, which are expensive, and mostly in high performance cars, they have much less brake dust. So like, you know when you clean your car, and if you're washing your car, you go to the wheels, there's all that dust that's around the dark dust, that's around the wheel, that's all brake dust.

2:06:19So that's getting into the air. So if you have been a place that has high traffic and like stop and go traffic, you get break dust everywhere. Read an article that kind of disagrees with that and it explains why here in this third paragraph. Okay so it says many of the claims about EVs causing aversion reference figures from emission and analytics, a private company, founder Nick Moldins said that its measurements show that particular emissions can be 1 ,850 times more than those from modern car exhausts which should become cleaner because of regulations. But the headline finding needs of context, the tests have not been peer reviewed by scientists and the industry disputes the findings.

2:06:55That doesn't mean anything. Well, they just said it doesn't mean anything. Just because they haven't been peer reviewed and that the industry disputes it, that doesn't mean that it's not true. This was the third article I got to say that there's less from because of regenerative breaking. Right. Well, we just talked about. But regenerative breaking, again, I don't think is in all electric cars. I know it's standard on Tesla's. Crucially, all cars produce those pollutants. That's true, not just electric version. That's true, but that's not true. They're saying it's not true either because these heavier cars produce more.

2:07:29That's just what they're saying. Measuring tiny particles, particulates, is very difficult. They're relatively few. Comparative studies so far. That means you're still uncertainty over whether the extra weight of EV batteries will result in worse, particularly pollution. But it makes sense. It's logical. So if they're showing this if these done a study and it's showing this in study This is a logical conclusion Is that an electric range Rover? Yeah, I don't even know that they existed Was that a new thing? I don't know I've never seen that before. I never saw one before. There's a lot now. It says Calculate that EVs are 400 kilograms heavier on average because the bulky batteries.

2:08:12Yeah So just because it has a peer review doesn't mean it's true. And the reason why they're saying this is because they're trying to put it in the context. Like, yes, electric vehicles are generally better for the environment, particularly if you have regenerative braking, but there's also an added element. What the solution might be is to make carbon fiber brakes standard. There's carbon ceramic brakes standard that you need them just like you need catalytic converters. It would be more expensive though. I never heard of that. Yeah, some of those brakes have steel rotors. You know, steel hits this carbon and it just releases more brake dust.

2:08:49Or steel hits the pads, releases more brake dust. I've got a hybrid rad for, I love it. Yeah, well those are really good on gas. I mean, something that's good on gas is going to be better for sure. Sometimes it's bad on gas, it's going to burn more. But the bottom line is there's problems with all technologies in terms of whether or not they go into a landfill. Like this is a giant problem with windmills. Windmills aren't efficient. They're gross looking. They pollute the landscape in terms of the way it looks. You just see these fucking windmills everywhere. And those things have to go into landfill.

2:09:28So you have these enormous fiberglass propellers that now have to be buried in the ground. Billy Bob goes on a good rant about the way. Does anybody else know how to do it? Yeah, I don't know what it was. He rips them apart. Yeah, they're not effective. They're not good enough for what they do to the environment. They kill whales, that's the other thing. Trump talked about that too, that these things, when they set these things up, near the ocean, like the sound is fucking with these whales. Oh, I didn't. Yeah. It's not good. It's not the way to go. Maybe solar's better. But you know if you have like enormous areas of land that are covered in solar panels that looks gross too Yeah, but if we could just have like one designated area in the center that like take you know a state Fucking make that state just a battery Maybe that would work.

2:10:14Yeah, maybe LA maybe when LA burns to the ground Look, it's already toxic. Let's just turn the policy into a battery. How are they gonna rebuild if it's like? Yeah, there's nothing we can do if this happens again. Well, it's also the fire insurance problem that a lot of insurance companies pulled their fire coverage because they're like look nothing's being done to stop these fires we know the fires are coming we're gonna lose all of our money we're just gonna pull out and they did that and so now a lot of these people that lost their homes were not insured so now they're really fucked and you got Gavin Newsom on TV talking about speculators come in landspecule he's doing his little fucking dance and like what is what are you guys doing over there this is this horrible this is horrible and what what solutions are on the table.

2:10:56Well, I'll tell you, it's not as simple as don't drill for oil. You know, like, God, dammit. I don't see the mirror making it through this. She doesn't seem like she should make it through. No. She was just seeing like some sort of a radical, communist activist when she was younger too. I don't know. Yeah. That clip of her in the airport. Really? Yeah. You know, not good. That's not responding at all. You look shell shocked. And then smiling when she's on TV, we're going to rebuild with a bunch of construction workers behind her. It's like, look, we're rebuilding. We're just smiling. We're going to get to work.

2:11:32Like, you're not going to get to work. You're not going to get to work. These people are going to have the money to rebuild. Where's the money going to come from? You're going to give them the money for those homes. You're talking now about $300 billion worth of damage and counting. You're going to show out $300 billion to give those people their homes back. When someone has an $82 million home, are you gonna give that $82 million and rather than pay teachers more money? In North Carolina, in the middle of Appalachia, you have people with cheaper homes than anywhere in LA. They're not getting money back there.

2:12:03No, they're not. They're not even getting attention anymore. That's what's waiting in line for fuel. They're waiting in line for propane fuel, so they don't freeze to death. Yeah, that's crazy. Crazy. I was just down there with the holidays and saw my brother and I, we invested in a little, the only thing I've ever invested in, like that little Airbnb, but like super cheap and it's just gone. Mm, but, yeah, I'm still looking on there. It was a crazy disaster. But again, you could say that's climate change. But the problem with that statement is that the climate has never been static. There has never been a moment in human history where the climate was absolutely predictable to the degree every year.

2:12:42It's just not the case. climate varies. It has always varied. The real question should be how much of an impact are we having on it and how much of an impact are we having on pollution? The pollution in the particulate is that's a real issue. It's a real issue and if other countries aren't addressing that I read something, find out if this is true, that China right now is responsible for more pollutants in the atmosphere, more carbon in the atmosphere than all the other countries could buy. I would endowed it at all. I wouldn't doubt that. There are like majority of the pollutants in the atmosphere are coming from there and they're not gonna change.

2:13:21So you switching to an electric car or you stop using a gas stove or you, whatever you're doing, it's not gonna have an impact if CO2 is entirely what's going on. And even if we got down to climate neutral that doesn't stop global warming, it doesn't stop a shift in the change that has always gone up and down throughout recorded history. When we do ice samples, when they do core samples, and they go back 10, 15, 20 ,000, 50 ,000 years, there's always been enormous shifts in the temperature. Half of North America was covered in a mile high sheet of ice up until 12 ,000 years ago. So, miles in some places, more than a mile.

2:14:04So, there's always been shifts in the climate. Long before, there was any industrial revolution. Long before there was any gas -powered cars China missions to seed all developed nations combined Combined yeah, and they're not gonna change That's they're not gonna they're gonna shift that that's what they do long term. I think China's both poses the greatest potential threats still I heard there was that you had a CIA X CIA guy on who's talking about the 21 year plan for China that blew my mind because then when I was in graduate school it was like 80 % of the other students were from China. And I'm not exited.

2:14:44No one believes that. Either there was multiple classes where I went in. I was the only non -China, not just Americans, non -Chinese student. It would be 15 people in the class. Yeah. When I showed my thesis film, I went in and the whole auditorium was Chinese and every other film that played that night was in Chinese. So you're like, well, and I tried to do a documentary on it and then I was kind of, there were concert people didn't like that. All I was doing was asking questions like, How'd you end up coming straight from for this? And it's a societal, there's a, a brute, you know, what's the word?

2:15:15The parents want to do it. There's a social aspect. It's like viewed as something that you wanna do. And then there was the one child policy for a long time so they can afford to do it. But it's crazy. Yeah, we're in a very strange time of narratives and truth where narratives to many people are more important and then objective truth. And that's never good for anybody. It's never good for anybody to ignore the reality of what's going on. And there's a lot of, I mean, Peterson and you talked about this a lot, the postmodernism, the effect of postmodernism, the fact that there's an infinite variety of interpretations to stories, but it's, that doesn't mean that there's not, everything's not just a social construct, and it doesn't mean that there's not an ideal to strive for.

2:16:08Yeah, and the problem with people that talk about climate change is they never talk about China emissions. They talk about America. They Trump wants to pull us out of the Paris Accord. They want to do this, they want to do that. Look at what's going on in the world. You're not going to stop China from producing more CO2 and more emissions and all the other developed nations combined, and you're not even talking about it. If you really wanted to address the problem, It would be that. That's the problem. That's the biggest part of the problem. What's the biggest offender? It's China and they don't talk about that at all because they don't want to be racist.

2:16:43So it's like they just want to concentrate on people that you know live in America. Yeah. Yeah And then criticizing the idea of drilling for oil. Well, you said at the beginning of this conversation too, you were talking about like the potential for both sides and we are in a strange time as well where we're seeing things coming from both sides that are very strange. This is a rethinking of like Winston Churchill. And everything, there's just... What's the rethinking of Winston Churchill? When Tucker Carlson had on, I'm forgetting the name of the historian. It doesn't matter. Mariner May, Darryl Cooper.

2:17:16Darryl Cooper, yeah. I think people ask me sometimes after all this video stuff, they're like, what would you recommend reading and studying for critical thinking? And I think Winston Churchill is the ultimate example of critical thinking. Because the real thing is all about like the thinking for yourself or the long term when everyone around you is telling you that you're wrong. When the stakes are at their highest is what he was dealing with. And it's such a fascinating time, World War II. I just think there's so much you could just study that conflict and gain so much insight. One thing that my friend, Chris DeFanell, brought up on the podcast that blew me away was operation unthinkable.

2:17:57I haven't heard that one. That was a proposal from Winston Churchill at the end of World War II to go to war with Russia. That the Soviet Union was getting too big and powerful and they would take the Nazis that they had taken the German soldiers and then go invade Russia. I haven't heard that. I wouldn't surprise me. He did not like Stalin because with Roosevelt they got buddy -buddy. There's some, my whole thesis was on this, the untold story of Churchill's role with Harvard. Harvard's role, the president of Harvard, meeting with Churchill secretly when the blitz was going on. A Roosevelt was up for re -election, couldn't travel over there to meet with him because, and this echoes to today, exactly we were talking about.

2:18:3998 % of the public were against involvement in World War II. That's what they called it, the European conflict. It's not our fight. And he knew it was inevitable and he couldn't be seen talking to Churchill in that way because they were publicly they were like no lend lease program or not assisting me like If you watch darkest hour they do a good job of showing the extrinsers like we can send horses to pull the weapons across the border But we can't be seen so he sent the president of Harvard of all places This is where the secret scholar's side he came from It's this story and I found it in the Harvard archive when I was researching for my thesis film.

2:19:18Whoa. Yeah. And I was blown away. I was like, how is no one? And it taps into Oppenheimer. So James B. Coney, that guy on the left, that's the president of Harvard. This is afterwards, Churchill comes for an honorary degree after everything's won and everything. Coney on the left flies over there, meets with him. They make a secret deal. So they have all this research, they're ready to do radar, develop it, they can't build it. They're cut off from the world, all of Europe has fallen except England. They stand alone, they're darkest hour and he is desperate, he's just trying to hold out until America will join.

2:19:55Imagine being in that position. Everyone around you is saying, we have got to surrender, we have got to negotiate and he's like, no, he's like, no, only when the last of us is choking in their own blood. He's like, we have to fight to the death. That's not logical, but it's what saved them. Windows illogical behavior save you. That's something that connects to the very fabric of reality that goes beyond what we can articulate. Connects like spirituality. When does living as though God existed saved them? No way. So he negotiates with Cognit and they bring that tech back, develop a secret lab at Harvard to build it all.

2:20:34That's where sonar came from, Nae Pom. There was a special, the Harvard candle, it's named after Harvard. It's a remarkable story that it's so deep. I could talk to it. You know what I found out last night? My friend Kurt Madskar told me this. We were talking about the Elon Gaff, where his like my heart goes out to you. It's so silly. Don't do that though. That's the perfect example. When you see a story, you believe it's true. If you believe he's a Nazi, You're gonna see him do a silly hand gesture and see that as that. Well, he's saying my heart goes out to you. But that is how the Nazis did it.

2:21:12Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is the thing. This is what I found out last night. That's also how they used to do the Pledge of Allegiance. The Pledge of Allegiance used to be done like this until the Nazis came along. And then we switched it to this, your hand over your heart. So we cut out that part. There's gonna be a screen grab if you do it. Well, there's already a screen grab. This was funny. CNN during the COVID times in particular whenever I get in trouble the photo they would use of me was me at the UFC Wayans so when I do the Wayans I announce the wayans I say welcome to the Wayans everybody I'm waying to the crowd that's what they did so they would use this photo of me So to try to make it like I was some sort of a Nazi whatever because I'm waving to the crowd and they take a freeze frame of it I'm like welcome to the Wayans everybody I put my hands out to the crowd.

2:21:58I'm saying hi to everybody. I'll show you this, Jamie. You probably could find it if you look for it, but I'm gonna show you what it looked like in the old days. I was trying to find a different explanation of I have a picture of it. That's all just taken for a better version. Well, yeah, that's it. That's how they did the Pledge of Allegiance. Oh, interesting. How crazy is that? That's crazy. That's in 1942. Yeah, so this is, you know, and then we realize, oh, we can't do that anymore. That's how the Nazis do it. It's right around that time. Pleasure Allegiance would be your right hand up in the air interesting how crazy is that well We were in it we were just getting into World War two So we didn't have the the views of Hitler embodied in us pretty bizarre though You know that yeah Now you know Well, it's like they're so funny because because of this there's all these photos of AOC with our arm out like this and Michelle Obama It's like everybody's a Nazi.

2:22:55It's so dumb. You can go look at anybody and you find that. Yeah, if you move your arms at all, you try to catch a ball. You know, anything you're doing with your arms up in the air now, you're a Nazi. Like, oh my God. How about that Hindu guy that kept his arm up in the air for like 60 years? You know that one? I've never seen that. We talked about him the other day. Who brought him up? I did. Jimmy, Jamie brought him up. So this is guy who has not put his arm down and like some insane amount of his arm is like, shriveled, it's useless. It is a devotion to Lord Shiva. So he has to show his devotion.

2:23:28He just said, I'm gonna keep my arm up forever. And now his arm's frozen in place. And now he's like a really old man. That's what he looks like. Okay. How crazy is that? That's crazy. He has a useless right arm now. Look, look at his fingers are all twisted up and fucked up, his nails are all fucked up. His right arm is essentially completely useless. It just stays like that. It doesn't move anymore. Power stories, nuts. Yeah, 1973 decided to raise his right arm, 90 degrees to the air, as fingers have withered to the palm of his hand, his knuckles are white with rot, and his nails have grown long and twisted.

2:24:05Well, he's not see. They're going to know why he didn't make that connection. I was like, why are you? I got to do it in the Nazi sleuth forever. That's how I got it. I didn't take it off that. That's how dedicated he is to being a Nazi. He won't even put the hand down. He's all in forever until he dies. They're gonna have to get him in a super long coffin. How's Elon handling this whole, he probably like, what the? Yeah, he was definitely what the fuck. And he's happy that the ADL of all people defended him. Yeah, that was good. Yeah, well it's obvious. Yes, I know. But all these people on Twitter are just chiming in and saying it's clearly a Nazi salute.

2:24:47He's doing a Nazi salute. Yeah. No. So dumb. It's so dumb. It's not clearly. Yeah, it's the whole thing's crazy. But that's a sign of the times. And they couldn't help it. They saw a thing and they're like, this is, we're gonna run with it. He's clearly showing he's a Nazi, you know, the Trumps in office and he's a Nazi. And this is, fascism is real folks. Here it is. This, my heart goes out to you.

2:25:17It's just weird. It's illogical and weird, but it's a sign of this thing that is a real problem in today where people will pretend something is something other than what it is if it suits their narrative. And that's what this is. Yes. Daenerys story. Yeah, the power story. That really truly is a great example of the power of story. Because the story that everyone's afraid of is that this right -wing dictator has gotten into power and he's brought with him this billionaire oligarch who happens to be one of the richest men or if not the richest person on the planet earth and this guy is severely an Nazi.

2:25:53He's been hiding it all these days until Trump got it off. Make a great movie. That's cool. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He would make a great movie. Yeah. It's. Well, it's fascinating, but it also, what it does is it opens the door for people like yourself. It opens the door for reasonable, logical people who can talk about things in an objective critical way and just like analyze, well, what is this? Why do we think this? What is the cause of this? And that's really how you got on the map by just being a voice of reason. and in a time where there's very little reason, anybody that steps up that says something that makes people resonate.

2:26:38It resonates with people to point where like, yes, more of this guy, more people like that. I like how this guy thinks. I like how this guy talks. And that's what I got out of it. It's surreal, I don't know, I don't think about it. I try not to. Well you shouldn't think about it. Yeah, you can't think of it. Well then you get audience capture. Right. And you freeze too. It's like Heath Ledger acting you say you can't You think about like oh hundred thousand people might see what I'm gonna see Then you just can't talk. That's probably why Christopher Lowe no one doesn't have a phone Think kind of thing to make the kind of films.

2:27:12Have you reached out to anyone? No, I haven't I don't even know The dozen the interviews. I don't know rarely. I would love to have mom though. I'm a huge fan of his work I think he's brilliant Yeah, obviously it's it not just brilliant like amazing like unusual. Yeah uniquely brilliant. He's got this mathematical mind. And he approaches story in that way. So did Kubrick. There's a lot of parallels there, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kubrick in his spare time would do complex math. I wish. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. So his films were all like Kubrick's films all had like encoded things in the air. Yeah.

2:27:50How's he talking to Taryn Tino or somebody about the lost cut of eyes what eyes what yeah I was Roger every okay Roger every end -to -artino and so Roger every was discussing how there was supposed to be a narrator through eyes watch out and they changed that and after he died when Kubrick died before they they made a different cut of the film and he firmly believes that it should be like recut and it should be done with a narrator and And in AI you could actually probably do Kubrick narrate it if you wanted to You know you could get samples of his voice and he could narrate it But that would you know you you'd also like you how would you know how he would cut it?

2:28:32You'd kind of be fucking around but apparently there's many scenes that never made it into it that Kubrick wanted in and then in the final cut they changed Yeah, the shining is filled with them It's filled with like there's all the moon landing conspiracies of all clung clung onto it because the the room number That's like the haunted room is like I think it's 237 is that the room? Whatever the number is is the amount of miles in hundreds of thousands between earth and the moon The little boy when he's in the hallway is wearing the Apollo 11 T -shirt he's got a sweater that has the Apollo rocket on it.

2:29:11There's like all sorts of weird shit that these people cling to that like I love stuff where it's up to Oh, it's fascinating. There's a whole documentary on it. The subtext behind the shining. The shining is a fucking incredible movie. Which by the way, which is really interesting. Stephen King didn't even like. He didn't like that movie. Which is so crazy because it was different than his novel. So in his novel, the Jack Nicholson character, I forget the name. The Jack Nicholson character starts off normal and becomes crazier and crazier. And what he didn't like is that Jack Nicholson is pretty on tilt right away.

2:29:48And it seems off from the very beginning and then just dissent and the madness accelerates very quickly. That's what I was talking about. There's different ways to tell that same story. You can feel it when it kind of clicks in, but which is right, the audience doesn't lie. And then Stephen King did his own version of the shining as a television miniseries. Did it? Yeah, but it wasn't very good. It wasn't effective. There you go. There was something about it. It just didn't work the same way. That elusive, tangible thing that can't be bought, can't be replicated. Everyone's after it. No one can articulate it.

2:30:27What makes a good actor? Why was he thought you're a good actor? Right. And that's another great example of why those boats are superfluous to everything else. Yeah, it's all about telling the story, right? And some people, what's going on? Kubrick's assistant says in an interview in 2013, like a year after movie came out that Kubrick would have agreed that 70 to 80 % of that movie was pure gibberish. He wouldn't be doing stuff like that. Which movie? I don't know. Room 237, the one about the... Oh, that was shining and all the... Okay, but... Even 80 % is to pure gibberish. was that mean it means 20 % is legit?

2:31:11Just I mean he wouldn't just say I hear he wouldn't tell an audience what to think or how to think and if they came out thinking something different than him that's fine. Right. It's hard to say though because someone saying that is their personal assistant they're not speaking for a cube. Stephen King said the same thing when he saw it he said he had to turn it off because it was bullshit. Turn one off the movie. The shining itself. No, no, no room 237. Oh, the documentary. right but Stephen King also didn't like the shining you know these are like people's personal opinions on things that doesn't mean it's not true and it's also like Kubrick in many of his films did have like hidden subtext and a lot he was a fascinating guy like all like 2001 2001 is a fascinating move you miss a lot of it when you you have to like rewatch it over and over again to get what he was trying to say like what what was he doing in that film like like what was he?

2:32:01There was many, many layers to his films that I, you know, he had his own way of doing it. He might not have done it mathematically with the score the way Christopher Nolan did, but there was something to it. I shouldn't even say that word though, because it's, it's just patterns. Mm -hmm. He's still using patterns. Mathematics is just a language that allows us to articulate the form of those patterns. That said, what Stephen King said and what Kubrick's assistant said also rings true because because people try to find patterns in everything. Even patterns that don't exist. So people, they always try to find conspiracies that don't exist and patterns that don't exist.

2:32:38There's like a natural inclination that people have to like uncover secrets. Like what's the secret behind this? What is he really saying? Yeah. Yeah. What's he really doing? Yeah. Yeah. Are you still gonna make films? Are you more committed? Like, do you feel like this thing that you're doing? What is your secret scholar? What is your YouTube page? Secret scholar societies is the YouTube channel. Why did you decide to call it that? That story I was telling you. That was from that. And there was a Harvard. Right before the viral video, I was working on a short film. There's a little experimental, I shouldn't call it a short film.

2:33:19It was me with a camera and that music teacher in like a month we threw this thing together. It's not a movie so people love to because it's like more it's last movie is like it's like dude It's not that's not don't hold that to the standard of like the other ones You can hold to a standard of a movie, but that one was just an experimental like be me by myself I would love to keep doing that right now. It's about putting food on the table and fighting for the algorithm Keeping the algorithm on my side, which is because you're unemployed right and yeah There's potential to teach but I'm making more doing what I'm doing Yeah, and you're teaching by doing that too.

2:33:59You are. I mean, I do look at it that way because any kind of really intelligent discourse where you get to watch it and observe people talking about things and you've done a lot of really good stuff where you're breaking down interviews and breaking down congressional testimonies and things like that and the way people are reacting to things and how people are laying stuff out. All this stuff is very educational and for young people in particular, maybe people that found you through those initial videos, then they'll be able to see how you sort of break down all of these interactions and they'll be able to sort of think that way themselves, like, oh, why does a person say things that way?

2:34:38What are they trying to do? Why are they appealing to authority? Why is it important to recognize that this is a pattern to shut down criticism? And then why is it that this is not necessarily the truth? Yeah, the art of critical thinking. I was kind of thinking like Sherlock Holmes was my as a kid my favorite fictional character and I think it appealed he was really the first kind of superhero serial monthly episodes Strand magazine Sure And he has no superpowers just his mind Which makes us feel like I could do that if I could just see the world like him. Yeah, there's nothing I don't have Technically right and he does it.

2:35:20We're presented the same information It's just what he does with that information. It makes you feel like you have a potential for that power. Within you, you just got to know how to unlock it. So that's kind of playing with like the art of, that's why the slogan on the channel is the art of critical thinking. It was, his was the science of deduction. But yeah, it is an art too though, because when someone does it really well, it's kind of beautiful. Critical thinking when you watch like a conversation between two people and they break there's a igniting of your mind that is kind of beautiful.

2:35:55It's artistic. Hopefully, hopefully you can sometimes get there. No, I think you do get there. You get there for sure. You've gotten there with me. I think there's a lot of people to do that. And it's that that kind of critical thinking people they gravitate towards it because there's not a lot of it in the world. And especially if you live in, if you exist day to day in a corporate culture, where you're sort of locked into whatever ideology your company is and you're trying to make your way up the company ladder. So there's like office politics and there's a, you know, certain sort of mentality and narrative that's been distributed through the company and you're connected to it.

2:36:34Like you're very suppressed and your thinking is very boxed in and you know, you're forced to put those blinders on that we talked about earlier. You have to put those on if you want to move in the company. If you want to exit, like if you're in an environment that requires you to behave and think a certain way in order to succeed, well, you want to succeed. So what are the rules of this game I'm playing? Okay. You know, if you're playing poker, you have rules. Like if you're playing chess, you have rules and you can't succeed without following the rules. And that's the case in everything. But oftentimes in society, when you exist in a corporate environment or any kind of, especially an educational environment, right?

2:37:13If you exist in an academic environment, it's very clear rules. And if you do not follow those rules, you will not succeed. If you go against the people that are in charge, you're gonna, like, what happened to you? You're gonna get fired. You're gonna get removed. You have to follow the rules if you want to succeed. And people feel very suppressed by that. Because they know that these rules aren't necessarily just. They're not necessarily accurate. They're not objective. They're not reasonable. They're not logical. They're just the rules. People hate the rules when they're just the rules that makes them especially students.

2:37:46Yeah, especially young people, man. Yeah, they can sniff that out. Yeah. And now there's examples of the rules being bullshit. You know, now because of your show and a bunch of your Jordan Peterson, a bunch of different things that are available now for young people to consume. that can realize, like, no, these people that are making these rules are idiots. They're assholes, and they might be intelligent. They might have a good education. They might have a lot of information that they can spit out that makes them seem logical. But they're not looking at things correctly. They're captured by a narrative.

2:38:22Yeah. Reading Elon's books, like on the airplane, he had that algorithm. them. It's essentially, if there's a regulation, if there's a rule, figure out who's requiring that rule, question it, and I forget the other ones, but it's taking it all more efficient, it all stems from just questioning everything. That's what's going to be really interesting about him becoming a part of the Department of Government Efficiency. Like, because if he's going to apply that to the most inefficient, I bet he will, because he would, it says, right? He would go around preaching this algorithm and he genuinely believed it and it makes logical sense.

2:38:59There's a logical flow to him in his decision making that's laid out in that biography. Yeah. But you're also going against a culture that has operated with impunity for so long and has grown exponentially. Like there's more government agencies than there have been years of the government. Which is crazy. They just keep making new government agencies. And the way to combat that, make another one. Make another government agency that corrects all the government agencies and efficiencies. It's going to be, to me, the Department of Government Efficiency and then Make America Healthy Again Movement, those are the two most fascinating things that are going on simultaneously with the Trump administration.

2:39:49Because I'm so curious, because there's so many hurdles with whatever Bobby Kennedy's going to have to jump through to make real change. And you're seeing the response to that, like, red dye number three getting pulled by the Biden administration, like, hey, motherfucker, you could have done that a long time ago. You knew that stuff, shit, and have been in food. It's not in food in Canada. You knew that shit, and have been in food. You waited until right before Bobby Kennedy got in or you know he's gonna make it outlawed You know he's gonna get rid of all that and you see the resistance to it You see in this resistance to fluoride being removed from the drinking water everybody's thinking how do we need fluoride for teeth like Brush your fucking teeth bitch.

2:40:29Let's not put neurotoxic chemicals in everybody's water The way I describe it. I said it's like people are dying to skin cancer. Let's put sunscreen in the apples Like no no that put sunscreen on mother fucker Or don't. It's probably bad for you too. There's a lot of evidence that that's not good for you that really like Progressive sun exposures the way to do it and the real problem is that we know and get sun exposure and then you get too much all at once And that's how you get sunburn Yeah, it'll be interesting see what he does with education boy good luck. We need yeah, that's one thing I miss I do miss teaching miss being in the classroom like that with those kids Well, I think you should definitely do more of that, but I'm really happy you're doing what you're doing.

2:41:09Thank you was like I said when I saw you I was like oh is this young intelligent guy super reasonable and look younger than I am how old you are 37 you're still young I'm 57 I'm old I'm all out to call you're you're just a kid I wish but you know it's like it's an important service it really is and we need and there's more people like that now in the public eye than I think has ever been because of YouTube, especially in terms of the impact. Like what's the most watched video that you have? Like how many views does it have? A million. Okay, just imagine a lecture that reaches a million people.

2:41:52Why is that a matter? Peter was talking about this Gutenberg revolution of YouTube. It has only one other professor, okay you've got like Eric Weinstein and all the, okay put in all of them aside, Sam Richardson, School of Communications. It's the only and he's doing it Every class is streamed live and the university's cool with it all the students are cool with it There are 200 students in the auditorium. They come up on stage and He's applying critical to he challenged them on the CEO of Papa John's Concept where he got fired for saying the inward with the context of that's not a good thing to say It's just and really interesting to see and his office hours I got to join him for his office hours and was live -streamed.

2:42:36That's just using this technology in such a remarkable way. There's so much potential for that in schools and education, but everyone's so afraid because they don't want to put themselves out there. That school was terrified that their name would get out there. They're so used to going through life without any ability for the public to see what's going on because no one would care. First of all, no one cares. And then suddenly there's the potential and it changes your world. And the question is, look, if you're that scared of transparency, you're probably doing something wrong. It's not just what you do, but how you do it.

2:43:13Right. And you should never be scared of discussions. Yeah, especially if you're an educational institution. You should never be scared of discussions. It's one of the most important things. There's technologies incredible. Yes, it's nuts and it never existed before and there's a lot of resistance because there's been gatekeepers information That have existed for the longest time and it made the distribution of propaganda much more easy Much much easier and much more effective. Yeah, and now that doesn't work anymore because these things like this is bigger than all those things Why? Because it's not full shit.

2:43:55That's that simple. Interesting conversations from people that aren't full shit. Yeah. Turns out that's what people actually want. They just been dumped on with nonsense for so long that people have got a custom to think, no, that's what you're supposed to get. You're supposed to get a late night talk show host version of what's happening in politics. That's what you're supposed to get. You need people with integrity. So I would say thank you for having the integrity to how many people when presented with Kamala Harris or Kamala Harris To do that interview to be like now we're gonna do it for real if we're gonna do it.

2:44:32Yeah It's like you there's just so many other people would have just compromised. I thought about it I thought about I was sitting around like how do I do sure that's tough. I didn't know There's a there's a concept in Jiu Jitsu that the graces he's came up with about cooking someone. And the idea is like someone can spaz out in the beginning, they could be real strong and pull out of submissions, but eventually, I'm gonna cook them. Eventually, I'm gonna keep hitting my moves till I'm gonna get to a dominant position. They're gonna get tired and I'm gonna cook them and then I'm gonna submit them.

2:45:08And you need time to do that. If you had a, if hoist grace, he had a jujitsu match with a giant body builder and the match was only 10 seconds long, he might not be able to get the guy in 10 seconds. It doesn't know enough time, but if you give Hoist Gracy an hour, they're guys gonna get cooked. Right. And the thing about a conversation like with the Kamala Harris thing was like I genuinely just wanted to talk to her. I thought I could like have a real conversation. I've seen her be really funny. This is like really funny video of her meeting her her mother -in -law and father -in -law for the first time and that the woman grabs her face.

2:45:43She's oh look at you! who like a Doug M. Hoff's mom grabs her face. You like it was really funny. Like she's laughing hard, but she's laughing like it's authentic. It's a really fun. See if you can find it. It's very funny. And I was like that person's in there. And that person is dealing with incredible pressure of being in front of millions of people. They're all scrutinizing every word she says and that pressure causes people to bumble their words and say things in cycles because they're trying to dismount and they don't know how to, maybe they're not the best public speaker, maybe that's the most articulate at forming sentences, but they have good ideas, and you gotta get those people comfortable.

2:46:27You gotta find out what is in there. And so my thought was, there was a few things they didn't wanna talk about. They initially didn't wanna talk about internet censorship, but then they changed their mind and did wanna talk about it, which I thought was interesting. Like they had maybe they had a solution. They said if he throws this at you, you're gonna say this. Okay, okay Okay, let's talk about tell him we want to talk about internet censorship They didn't want to talk about the legalization of marijuana, but that was probably because of a prosecute prosecutor Toro record, you know, she prosecuted a lot of people from marijuana crimes So I was like, okay, we don't have to talk about those things.

2:47:00I'll talk about whatever you want to talk about I don't care. I just want to get to you and You give me three hours. I'll find out who you are. We could talk about nature We could talk about the environment. We could talk about space. We could talk about do you believe in reincarnation? Like I'll get to who you are. I want to get to who you are. I got to cook you. That's why wouldn't she do that? Because she didn't want to get cooked.

2:47:25Because it's scary because you could fucking bumble it. You could fuck up. You know, or you could be Trump where he comes in. It doesn't give a fuck. There's no discussion whatsoever about topics. He'll talk about anything and just talk and that guy would talk for three fucking hours. No problem at all had no Problems didn't ask to edit it. She wanted to know whether that editing control They wanted to be able to edit things out like if she did bumble which is Trump's big lawsuit with CBS Because of 60 minutes because they edited her answers that made her seem like she had a more intelligent answer Which is essentially election interference?

2:48:00Yeah, no an interview so that there's a Kamala Harris interview and and Trump sued and there's a lawsuit that's still going on right now. It is CBS, correct? What were his ground? Because they changed her answer. So someone fucked up and released a teaser of the conversation. And in the teaser, she was bumbling and fumbling to answer this question. And in the actual show on CBS, they had edited that and put in a completely different answer to something else as the answer to this question that seemed more logical and made more sense. It was much more succinct and short. And he was saying, like, you fucking idiots, like you did this, you released it on video on the internet first, and then you had a different version on CBS.

2:48:52Do you think people don't remember something that was just released like two days ago as It was like a preview to this thing, but in between the time that the video, his, this is Trump's argument, in between the time the video was released on the internet and the response that it got, all the negativity and all the criticism that it got and all the back lash to how she responded to that question, they edited it and changed the response. And so he's suing. And he's got a point. He's got a real point because you shouldn't allow them to edit it and make it look like it was better than it really was.

2:49:28If this is not just a conversation where someone was fucked up about, they made a flub and they said, oh, can you take that out? Now, this is like a response to like critical policy issues that are gonna affect the entire country if you run into president. If you become president, do you know how to address a situation? Do you have a plan? Do you know what this problem is and do you have an actual solution? And if you don't and if you're kind of bumbling around your words, people should be able to see that Because that's one of the things that we're deciding this election on. So for someone like her that's had those kind of experiences where she said the wrong thing and done the, and it said things like, God, I wish I had a chance to reconsider that, I would have said it differently.

2:50:07Because you just, that thing that you say, even if it's under a high pressure situation like an interview on CBS, that high pressure situation that caused you to fumble, now people are going to say, that is your opinion period. This is your perspective period where, meanwhile, if she had time to consider that question and come up with a logical answer and then like rehearse that logical answer and been ready, she might have done a much better job. So that's the fear of not having any power over editing because in a three -hour conversation, you can't really prepare. I think they did think they had a preparation.

2:50:44The only thing that makes sense to me is why they would just change their tune on internet censorship, that they wanted to talk about that. They must have had some sort of logical reason why a certain amount of censorship is important because you want to protect against misinformation, disinformation, and hate speech. And so this was something that Tim Walsh was saying openly when he was on the campaign trail is that free speech does not include hate speech, but it does. How do you define hate speech? Exactly. Exactly, because your definition of hate speech might just be misgendering, Caitlin Jenner.

2:51:22That might be hate speech. You know, so if you're talking about Bruce Jenner winning the Dacathlon, what are we saying? If you can't say Bruce Jenner, because if you want to look at the reality of this biological male who wins the Olympics as a male and then transitions to becoming a woman. If you're telling me that I can no longer discuss the fact that this was a biological male with a different name and it's hate speech, well you've essentially put the handcuffs on reality. The quote, my favorite Churchill quote, democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others. And I use that.

2:51:59If anyone tries to get into the free speech debate, I do think the approach, I think, that Elon's using on X short of the law, freedom speech short of the law. We already have that objective line framework. We know in its cross, that's what the law is there for. We don't need any other subjective interpretations. What is hate speech, what's happening in England. It doesn't mean that there's not potential for someone to misuse it. Oh, same way, democracy is going to end in inequality in certain areas. You're going to have inequality in our what we do, because there's going to be in capitalism. capitalism, capitalism is the worst economic approach except every other one.

2:52:37There's problems to it. That's right. That's right. People love when they debate you, they point out these little flaws. Well, here's an anecdote of how hate speech was used. Here's a potential, of course there's going to be potential flaws, but it doesn't mean you have a better alternative. What is your alternative solution? Exactly. Exactly. Well, listen man, I really enjoyed talking to you. I really enjoy what you're doing. I appreciate you and thank you for being here. Tell everybody again, it's secret scholar society. Yeah, Warren Smith dash secret scholar society on YouTube. And that's the only thing you're using current.

2:53:15I'm on X. It's WT Smith 17 for some reason. Secret scholars is the handle on YouTube and on Patreon. You have a secret scholars thing. Oh, that's like, yeah, if you go to Patreon, you can watch behind the scenes and it's beautiful. Beautiful. Perfect. You know. Love Patreon. I love what they do. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate it. It was awesome. Thank you. Alright, bye everybody.