#2262 - Dr. Mark Gordon

28:28So why aren't we using it? Well, because of a stupid law that was passed in 1970 to punish Richard Nixon's political opponents. That's really what it is. What's it? Yeah, that's what it is. It was about the civil rights movement and the anti -war movement. And so one of the ways to get at these people, they knew that one of the big shifts of culture, if you go back to, like we talk about it at Nazim on the podcast, but there's just a gigantic shifting culture from the 1950s to the 1960s. It's almost an imaginable amount of change it takes place. And what you have to imagine as a person today is 2015.

29:06Now you think in time things accelerate even more rapidly and change is more exponential. It's more crazy in time. And it's kind of sort of true with some technologies, especially today with AI. But if you go back to 2015 and if you were just driving around in 2015, everything is essentially the same. The phones look pretty much the same. The cars look pretty much the same. There's not much difference. There's not much difference in your life. If you go from 1959 to 1969, you have a totally different fucking world. You have a totally different world of culture, totally different world of movies, totally different world of music, totally different world of automobile design.

29:46You have a totally different world that I believe is inspired by psychedelic drugs. And when Nixon throws the water on the psychedelic movement in 1970 and makes them all schedule one, including things that aren't even psychoactive. By the way, Mr. Buncher really good ones. Mr. Buncher really good ones that are still legal. One of them was Salvia, which was fucking bananas and insanely potent psychedelic drug that was completely legal. So if you look at it culturally, you see this shift. You see the movies get clunkier and goofy. You see the cars start to look like shit. You see the music starts to suck.

30:27It starts to be like real frivolous and very surface. It's very, it's cocaine music. It's not, it's not Led Zeppelin. It's not psychedelic music. It's not the doors. It's not Hendrix. It's not Hendrix. It's not, it's not Voodoo child. You know, it's something completely divorced from feeling. And this is because of Richard Nixon. So you're basically saying the importance of psychedelics in expanding the visions that we have to advance our culture and society has been removed. Exactly. And what you talked about the sympathetic use. There's, you know, there's people, compassion to use. There's people that are going to use things and they're going to abuse things.

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32:29Cdkng .co slash audio. Come on, but we are responsible. I'm entitled to a refill. Yes, sir. Okay. Get in there. You fucking drunk. I took my go to back. I did. I did. I apologize. I finally went back and listened to our first podcast for 38 from August 8, 2012. That long ago. Wild. 13 years ago. Wild. It was wild. And the thing that stuck out was the glutathione. So I started this morning with my glutathione. So I knew where we were going to finish this bottle. I'm not finishing that bottle. Just not a chance. Well, I have stuff to do. And I just worked out. Did you take glutathione? I haven't taken it yet.

33:15I take it every night. Sure. If you got some, go get me some. I take it every night. This is my own. I like that. That's what that is. There you go. Oh, this I have to suck on this right to say. No brain risk. You number three. No. Is this your company? Uh, that's our product. And that is our core product for fixing the guys with the TBI. How's the new flavor? That's actually good. Oh, thank you. That actually doesn't taste bad at all. I was getting nervous when you're eating something out of a tube. He said, like, depends on whose tube it is. Yes. In that true. It's not actually even to. But I don't know why I said it to.

33:53It's a packet like a ketchup packet. There you go. But it's not ketchup. But it doesn't taste bad at all. No. Um, yeah, you turned me on the glutathione decade ago, decade plus 13. Yeah. Long time ago. Long time ago. Um, but yeah, because of meeting you, I mean, I really ramped up all of my nutritional supplements. You know, in a big way, because back then when I first met you, it got to be 15 years ago, right? So I'm going to run them. Yeah. Elise, um, when I first met you, I was just basically taking multi vitamins. I wasn't really like strict about it. And then when you started doing blood work and explaining things to me.

34:29And, you know, and breaking down the nutritional deficiencies, like you need niacin, you need this, you need that. And I started taking all that stuff. And it's, it makes a significant difference. It really does. And I talked to a lot of people that are skeptical about vitamins and they talked to their doctors, unfortunately. And the reality is that you're very educated in this department, but many doctors have a cursory at best understanding of nutrition. They, they're, their specialty is their specialty. If they are a urologist or they're an orthopedic surgeon, that's their specialty. And most of them are very unhealthy, unfortunately.

35:03Correct. And they're under the illusion that you can get everything that you need to live optimally with a balanced diet. That's horseshit people. Absolutely. Yeah. And you notice it eventually. Look, when I go on vacation, I've gone on vacation before, like seven day vacations and not taking vitamins with me. You feel shitty. Yeah, man. Yeah. Like I feel different. Like at the end of seven days, I'm like, Jesus, I need some fucking vitamins. So I don't do that anymore. Yeah. Now when I go on vacation, I take vitamins with me. I'm like, what's the big deal? I pack underwear pack my fucking vitamins.

35:35And I just make sure that I have everything that I need. And if I don't do that, I don't feel the same. And I think it's just the difference between being alive. Do you need it to be alive? No. But we're not talking about just alive. We're talking about optimization. And if you, you want to feel better and everybody does, you should take vitamins. And you should take a bunch. You should take a lot of different stuff. Yeah. Absolutely. One of the, one of the times you're talking about our progression throughout time back in the 90s, doctors were against vitamins saying that it's expensive urine, expensive flushing.

36:11Yeah. I remember that. My doctor told me that. And then what happened? And then all the science started coming out saying how we needed B12 because our nutrition was devoid because the soil not being rotated, devoid in the nutrients to feed the plants to give us our B12 was essentially from animals. It is muscle. Yeah. From muscle, but talking about B complex really, you know, you can get it in plants as well. But it's the trace elements as well, the minerals. And without having adequate amount in, you got to replenish it. And if you don't replenish it, you lose important, you know, pathways. What about folks that are getting their food organically?

36:48They're getting like, like they go to a farmer's market. They get really good organic groceries. Most of the organic people supplement the animals with quality supplementation food. I mean organic vegetables. Organic vegetables. You know, or to be organic, you can't have pesticides on it. You can't have heavy metals. So it has to be nutritionally enriched with positive soil. They might compost. They might put additives in the future. Ideally, you'd like just a natural process of compost and manure and stuff like that. And that's where I use chicken shit on chicken. It works. Yeah. I've got some great lemons and vegetables.

37:32Do you know that people used to go to war over batshit? Oguano. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That nuts. Yeah. Like Guano was so important for fertilizer. Not only fertilized, then it became the base foundation for lipstick and online. Yeah. Batchit was the foundation for lipsticks. Guano. You imagine kissing someone they got batshit lipstick. Guano wars. Yeah. They really did have Guano wars. Is that nuts? Isn't that where batshit crazy came from? Crazy is batshit. I don't know. I think the term batshit crazy. I think that had something to do with how feverant people would fight in a war over batshit. Is it fervent?

38:14Yeah. What it is. Yeah. That's good word. I like batshit. There's a lot of words I don't use, but I read them. And then when it's time to use them, I'm like, that's the appropriate road. I'm like, how are you talking about that? Yeah. Yeah. I think that's where the term batshit crazy came from. It's one bizarre clink. Guano ruled US agriculture and the world. How fertilizer madness sparked into a turd war and turned Guano into gold. Yeah. Yeah. Man. People needed that for fertilizer. Yeah. Does it talk about the cosmetic use of Guano? Fountain of youth. The batshit is the fountain of youth. What is it?

38:51The nitrogen composition of it is very good for growth of plants. This is interesting. It says prior to modern science and agriculture, the wise and house of soil health largely were mysterious. How soil additives functioned or the knowledge of which minerals were needed and when was the realm of the blind beyond animal manure. Farmers added soil amendments by the barrel. Composts, human waste, fish, coal briar products, chalk or whatever unhollowed concoction was hawked by the latest charlatan to pull to pull up in a wagon at town's edge and promise a yield bloom decade upon decade the pitfalls of fertilization tormented growers until 1802 and German explorer and scientist Alexander von Humboldt strolled down a waterfront in Peru and felt his nose hairs curl in ammonia rebellion and odor emanating from barge loads of yellow brown cake guano.

39:46Von Humboldt was told the stinking bird droppings covered the nearby chinchot islands in deep layers where massively popular with Peruvian farmers. So this is interesting. So that's how they started doing this. So this is in the 1800s. Can I read the next sentence? Sure. Okay. A little dabble do you? Curiosity building the nostril burning van Humboldt took home a scoop of guano to Europe and turned the spigot on agricultural fountain of youth. I he sparked a vertical fertilizer war. You know what's the interesting most interesting stuff about fertilizer is shit to me. Yeah. Well, the moment did you know that soil that they have in the Amazon that was created by man.

40:26No. Yeah, it's called terra prada. And Graham Hancock told me about it. It's there's a very specific soil in the Amazon that they think people from you know thousands of years ago figured out how to make. And this is like some sort of a compost process and it's a very dark soil called terra prada and this dark soil that exists on the surface layer of a lot of the Amazon was put there by man. And not just put there by man, but created like they had a process that they have not replicated to this day. They don't know what it is or how they did it. But they're very aware that there was a process involved in making this stuff and that it's not a natural process of this stuff forming.

41:13Well, that's what he said. But let me see show him some terra prada. It's pretty fascinating. So it's a dark dark darker. Yeah, it's very interesting because you see it. You know, like this is that's what it looks like. So you see the terra prada is on the surface and then you go below it and you just get like regular dirt. But this terra prada made everything very, very rich. And you know, it grew so much plants. It's just like. Do you know that the Amazon is mostly human planted plants that grew out of control? Yeah. That's like the original settlers of the Amazon. This is the theory. Right.

41:52So they know now that the Amazon was heavily populated. They didn't used to think that they used to think there was just this crazy wild jungle and there's indigenous populations live inside of it. Well, one point time there were cities. So there's grids. They found indications of, you know, some sort of transportation of water. They had it looked like streets. They had grids that indicate there are structures there all throughout from the use of lidar. Oh, sure. So they. Yeah. So they will. It's from actually drones. Oh, so they fly over with drones and they scan the area. They probably could use satellites too.

42:29But they use drones. They scan the air and even airplanes. They scan the area. And then they get these images that show these geometric patterns that exist below. And so they've unearthed a lot of these. And so now they think there were millions of people living in the Amazon. And that would probably happen was Europeans came over and gave them all smallpox. Yeah, that's the theory. Just like they did with killed everybody. 90 % of Native Americans. Yeah. But what was done there was done in a place where they had made this environment with terra praida and just because of the, you know, the lush rain forest is like it rains constantly in vegetation grow so well that as soon as they were gone within a couple hundred years, everything's consumed by the jungle.

43:11And then you had lead thousands and thousands and thousands of years in the future. There's nothing left. And that's what they think they're looking for. And they're looking at these large sections of the Amazon that have these patterns and structures that indicate civilization. Yeah. It's pretty wild. Yeah, I start my mornings looking at archaeology. You do? I get, yeah, I look at archaeology. But the archaeology that I look at in Lidar is in Europe because, you know, I collect ancient coins from Europe from Italy and Germany and so forth in Spain. And I've seen the photos where they go over and they see the foundation.

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46:52There's probably a ton of them back there. There's probably a bunch of stuff because the Amazon is so huge and most of it is not explored. Most of it is, you know, there's a bunch of different uncontacted tribes that live in there. In fact, my friend Paul Rosalie, do you know Paul Rosalie is? No, he's been an archaeology. No, he's essentially working to save the rainforest and what he does is he goes down there and he hires these people that were loggers to have a new job and the new job is to protect the forest instead. And they've saved like shit. I don't know what the number is, but an incredible large number of acres.

47:34They've saved this way and they continue to do this and they're trying to work with these people and try to stop them from just destroying the Amazon. I think sting donated a large amount of money to the Brazilian Amazon and a lot of entertainers who have donated a lot of money to protect it. So my friend Paul, he runs an uncontacted tribes all the time. Really? Look to go there. He sent me a video the other day that I can't share. But it's crazy. This is uncontacted tribes. These naked people in the jungle in 2025. It's really wild. They live in isolation. Well, isolation from what? From us? From us?

48:12Yeah, but they lived the way people lived 100 ,000 years ago and I would, God, if I could be a fly on the wall. Can you imagine the documentary? If we get really good at drones, the point where you can have a bunch of drones that really do look like insects and fly them in there and film these folks. And just without them being, but the problem then people would want to go visit them. So you have to keep it hidden like your video you were talking about because the... That's the reason why he doesn't want the video to get out. He doesn't want people to know that there's these people out there. And there's a lot of them.

48:48He said, well, one of his friends was killed. One of his friends was murdered by these people. With the darts. With corari. No, they got it with arrows. With corari on. They could do that. But they shot them with bows and arrows. They just fucking killed them. And this was a guy that was giving them stuff too. It was like he was bringing over rafts of food and they're like, you know what? We don't need it. Fuck you. We killed a bunch of fish today. We don't need your bananas. Have you seen them where the ones, the Indians living in the Amazon, they're shooting down the monkeys for food? Oh, yeah.

49:23They love monkeys. They don't need anything. They've already established a culture of hunting, harvesting, and building their homes or the building their roads. You know what I found out recently? The term Indian is not because Columbus thought that he was in India. I've been told that in fucking high school. So what is it? It's the children of God. It's what is the original term of Indios? There's like, I forget the term. But it's not about India. They called them Indians because they're the people that were living here in this place that they had named. The indigenous. Everybody thinks like America, you think of Native Americans that we used to call them Indians because they thought we landed in India.

50:17Or he thought he landed in India. Did he really? What's that? It says that the Portuguese were Indios but because Columbus was Portuguese. Right, but there's a term though. There's a term like the people of God, the Portuguese worse Indios. That's what the AI said. Yeah, but there's another term. There's something something that has to do with Indios. See AI, I don't see. AI's wrong about stuff sometime. Where did the term. That's why I just typed in word the word. Just type in why are Native Americans called Indians? That's not going to get you there either. What was the origin of the word Indian?

51:02Right. So I was listening to this guy talk about this in a lecture. I wish I saved it. I absorbed too much information and don't follow through on another article with those dreaded posts. Here's this one, what does it say? Always in the impression that we use the term Indian because Europeans were mistaken and they landed in India. However, this Huff Post article explains that it wasn't possible that we use the term Hindu stand for India. That's what it is. And that Europeans used the term India earlier on which had morphed into Indian. That's right. It was India. So click on the Huff Post article.

51:39The name Indian and political correctness. 2007. Right. This guy was it was a lecture. This guy was giving. Whoever wrote this could be the guy that gave the lecture. Could be. Right. Could be. Yeah. What is he saying? What's his turn? Because there was something. There was something that had to do that's right. Los Ninos in Dios. Los Ninos. Okay. You call them Los Ninos spelling maybe the children of God. The description by the Padre means something like the children of God. After many years of use, the word India emerged into this day. The indigenous people south and central America are called Indios.

52:21So this is what this guy was saying. So it said stop scroll back. Go back. So it said here I'm a firm believe that most historians are wrong when they credit Christopher Columbus for corning the word Indian. Because he thought he was landing ships in India by 1492. There was no country known as India. Instead that country was called Hindu stand. I think that it's closer to the truth that Spanish Padre that sailed with Columbus was so impressed by the innocence of the natives. He observed that he called them Los Ninos in Dios. Meaning spelling maybe wrong in Spanish words. But the description by the Padre means something like the children of God.

52:57After many years of use the word India emerged into this day. The indigenous people of south and central America are called Indios. I'm told that as the word wound its way north it evolved into Indian. Of course some will say that there was a place in the East Indies in 1492 and Columbus may have thought he was headed for that region. So how and when did the effort to politicize the name start? Some of the started with Native Americans enrolled in some of the white colleges. I think they found the word Indian offensive and set about to remake it. They found that the word Indian was often used in a derogatory fashion such as drunken Indian or rotten Indian.

53:39Perhaps the white people would have found it more difficult to say drunken Native American. And those white people. Yeah those dirty white people. Absolutely. There are problems. Finally when some Indian journalists made it to the newsrooms of large and prestigious mainstream newspapers. They reacted the word Indian as they did when they were in college. They went to their editors and tried to impress upon them. The paper should no longer use the word Indian but instead switched to Native American or Native. Interesting. The problem even with Native American is Native for how long? So like if you believe the bearing land mass theory that they came across that way.

54:22In a lot of Native Americans this was actually tested because of Mormons. So there was a wealthy Mormon who spent a bunch of money on DNA testing for Native Americans because he was sure that it was going to relieve. It was going to show that they were from the lost tribe of Israel because he believed that you know the Mormon reaching is that like the Indians and Native Americans are lost tribes of Israel. But then he found out when they did the DNA testing no they're from Siberia like a lot of them are from Siberia. So that would make sense. They crossed the bearing land bridge. Their ancestors did and they wound up in North America.

54:58Well my people came from communist potatoes in Russia. That's connected. Yeah, it was from there from Siberia. Yeah we bought Alaska for like 50 bucks. Yeah, that was like the deal a lifetime. They talk about the century. Manhattan might be the better deal like financially it's worth a lot more. Yeah but goddamn Alaska is bigger than Texas. Alaska is huge. And you've gone there hunting right? Oh yeah I've gone there a few times. It's an incredible place. Alaska is incredible. It's really it's really wild. Like that's the last real frontier. If you want to get away move to a small town in Alaska.

55:33Go live next to Sarah Palin. I can see Russia from there. So I should become Secretary of State. Remember when she said that she said Russia but you can't even see the rest of Alaska. Alaska is huge. What are you saying? Yeah I loved it there. It's gorgeous. Salmon fishing. I love the people. The people are just different and they're just rugged people. They're more reliable. They're built better. Like you have to like you usually like you know how certain genes expressions are turned on and off due to stress and imagine where genes. They're the only fucking grizzly bears in moose and shit. Like I'm sure you've seen this video of this guy goes outside of his house in the morning and two gigantic moose are duking it out in his driveway.

56:20Head to head. Head to head. But bouncing off cars and shit. This guy's like whoa and he lives in a neighborhood. It's like this guy isn't in the woods somewhere like on his own. And he's in a fucking neighborhood. These moose are duking it out. Yeah I love that. In my neighborhood the old neighborhood in Chatsworth we had brown bears coming in. No you didn't. Black bears. No. Brown bear in California. No no no no no no no no. No no no. Brown bears have been extinct in California since the 1800s. They look brown. And they're black. Yes. The last guy to die from bear attacks from a brown bear was Stephen LeVec.

56:57And he died in what's now LeVec California. They named the town after him. And it's right outside of the home ranch. I'll have to show you the pictures. Well I'll tell you what it is. It's called a color face bear. So it's a difference. It's a different bear. Okay. So there's a brown bear which is a grizzly bear and the Kodiak bear. Right. You know those bears. But they're all the same bear. The difference between a grizzly bear and a brown bear is just mostly what they eat. So the brown bears in Alaska have so much salmon that they have immense amounts of protein and they're the largest of all the brown bears.

57:32They're fucking huge. They're much much much much bigger than a black bear. Yeah. We had parks and rangers come to our house because one of our refrigerators failed. So we had all this great beef in there. So I had to throw it out. Oh and the bear found it. The next day. The bears found it. It was in the you know canister and they came there. So I took videos of these. What I thought were brown bears come again. So you're saying they're not. What's the. No they're they're brown color face. So brown bears can be. Excuse me. Black bears. Black bears can be brown. Most of them are black. Some of them are even blonde.

58:11There's blonde color face bears that they found up in Alberta. But they're black bears. So a black bear is less aggressive than a grizzly bear. A grizzly bear is a brown bear and they were killing so many people in California that they wiped them out. That's what happened. Well this one jumped over a six foot fence. Yeah. But before it jumped over to the six foot fence it ended up eating chicken and flaminion and ribeye and everything. The only thing it didn't eat was the garlic none. Tell you what that bear is going to be back. It came back three times. Yeah. On the third time, Parks and Recreation came by with a dart gun to try and put it down so that they can transport it to someplace else.

58:53Did they get it? No. It jumped over the fence. Yeah. I've never seen a bear jump six feet. Oh they can move. It was 250 pounds at least as up what they said. Well they can move. They move very very very fast. It was unbelievable. It would be amazing how fast they can move. Like when they're chasing after another bear or something's happening, they move very very fast. And then it jumped into our swimming pool. It was just unbelievable. But in Pasadena they have a lot of those. A lot of them. In Pasadena. There's a funny video of this guy in Pasadena. He's walking down the street and he turns into Ali and he's just staring at his phone and he's walking with his phone and this guy gets to the like 30 feet of a fucking bear.

59:32Wow. And he's just like freaking, you see you fight it's hilarious. I was like 10 feet away from him. In Pasadena. Like in full on Pasadena, not like the outskirts and the boots, the bush. Right. No, like actual street, city street in Pasadena, black bear. Yes. So what do you do when it's looking you face to face? Well, you usually make a noise and try to startle it and frighten it and get the fuck out of it. Like hey bear, you say hey bear. That's what people do. They say hey bear. The thing is like bears that have been accustomed to people. So that right there is a black bear. Okay. That is not a brown bear.

1:00:07The one that I saw and I think I might have it up. I might have it on my cell phone, but it was lighter than that. Yeah, they make, like I said, they get even blonde. So that's a brown black, that's a color phase black bear. It's intimidating. Yeah. Well, let's see the difference though. Pull up grizzly bear. So grizzly bear is a completely different motherfucker. Yeah. So on the state flag of California. That's a grizzly bear. That's a grizzly bear. Yes. That is the brown bear that is no longer, look at the size of those motherfuckers. Look at the K9 thing. Well. See the difference in the size.

1:00:38So that's a black bear and that's a grizzly bear. Yeah, that's a grizzly. Grizzlies are much bigger, much more aggressive, much more dangerous. But interestingly enough, black bears turn out to be more predatory towards humans. So when a black bear attacks people, usually it's trying to eat them. Whereas when a grizzly attacks people generally, like a large percentage of the attacks are, I'm good. A large percentage of the attacks are people accidentally stumbling upon a mother in their cubs. The mother, that's the worst case scenario. This is protective. Yeah, you get near a mama bear. Woo. Yeah.

1:01:12That's so terrifying. They, because they just try to eliminate the threat immediately and they just go after you and fuck you up. They don't, they don't look at you and go, what are you doing? What's this about? They have to protect their cubs. Mm -hmm. And there's so much cannibalism in the bear world. They eat their babes? Oh, yeah. They're, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Male grizzlies eat cubs and they hunt cubs. And so there's so much cannibalism of cubs from male grizzlies that the females are always on edge. Because everywhere they go, their fear is that they run into a male who's going to eat their cubs.

1:01:48Grizzlies are fucking ruthless. These assholes that think they want to bring grizzlies back to California. Right. This is like a movement now to bring grizzlies back. Because just like they brought wolves back to Colorado, these people are retarded and they've never spent a second in the woods. They don't know what the fuck they're dealing with. They don't know what you're bringing back and what the consequences are going to be of those things. And look, there's places they exist and they're great. It's awesome. Go to Montana, you can see them. Go to Wyoming, you can see them. Yeah. They're starting to make their way into Colorado.

1:02:20A friend of mine saw one in the San Juan Mountains. You got video footage of it. Yeah. I know you go with your archery hunting. There's no hunting of bears. There's a lot of hunter bears. Not a lower 48. So they're trying to change that. They're trying to change that in Montana because they have so many instances and attacks and a woman was killed a couple of years ago, she was dragged out of her tent. Yeah, it's scary shit, man. And I'm not advocating for the eradication of grizzlies. I'm just saying that with our modern society, when they haven't existed in an ecosystem, to reintroduce that to the ecosystem, you're going to cause chaos.

1:02:57You're going to cause havoc. And if you want healthy breeding populations of them, good luck. Good luck. Because now everything changes. All your livestock changes, your dogs change, your dogs are going to get eaten. Anything you have a dog chained up in the backyard that's meat on a stick. Meat on a chain. That's over. They're going to do that. They're going to target your garbage. You're not going to be able to get rid of them. They're going to keep coming back. They're dangerous animals and they're beautiful and amazing and an important part of the ecosystems that they exist in currently, like Montana and Wyoming, with its elk populations and a lot of food for them.

1:03:36Alaska. Yeah, I personally can't see for myself going out hunting for bears or elks or moose. And I know you do that, but there's such incredible animals. They're just incredible animals. They are. Yeah, I just can't see. If you don't down the way they die without me is way worse. If I get them, I'm going to get them in an arrow and they're going to be dead in seconds. If they get attacked by a bear or a mountain lion, it's fucking brutal. It's brutal. And the worst, I mean, they might just freeze to death. That's how most of them go. I know. I shot an elk a couple of years ago that was 11 years old and he had almost no teeth left.

1:04:13His teeth were ground down because, you know, they're just, they don't live long and part of it is because they can't grind food after a certain age. Yeah, because no teeth. No teeth. Because they're teeth are, I mean, they're just digging into the ground and pulling out shrubs and grasses and they're constantly mashing and smashing. And over the period of, you know, 11 years, his teeth had worn down to the roots. Yeah. So you've gone after bears? I have a hundred bears before. You've hunted bears before. I've eaten bears before. And you've eaten it. Yeah. What's the meat like? It's like beef.

1:04:48It's like a, like a, like a, like a pig fucked a cow. That's what it's like. It's like a weird kind of beef. Okay. Maybe a deer fucked a cow. It's a, it's good though. It's good, but it's dependent upon the diet of the animal. So like the people that hunt grizzly bears and they've eaten grizzly bears were brown bears. They say they taste so fishy. It's almost intolerable. But you could turn them into sausage. You could do with the right spices and stuff. Like, bear sausage is great. But you also have to be, have to be careful because of trick and osse. So you have to make sure you cook it to 160 plus degrees to kill the trick and osse.

1:05:24Yeah. Because I know several people that got trick and osse from bear meat. Heart? Well, it's just parasites and your muscles. Yeah. And it doesn't have too many adverse effects. It means very painful and brutal for the beginning exposure, you know, the beginning infection. But then the thing is like if, if you're a cannibal and you eat that dude and you don't cook them right, you're going to get it from him. Which is really crazy. One of the reasons why I don't eat pig that you got after me in the last time we were here. Pig has a lot of parasites and a lot of them aren't cooked to the level to kill the parasites, sister, cosis and so forth.

1:06:01And trick and osse. And trick and osse. Yeah, especially wild pigs. Yeah. So you know what the number one source of trick and osse is for people in America? No. Black bears. Not crazy. Think about how few people eat black bears. Yeah. But you know, number one source of trick and osse is in America for people that test positive for it. So it's through contamination food from eating them from eating them. Yeah. Cause there's a lot of people that hunt black bears. Wow. Yeah. Want to get really get blown away? Yeah. What you know, it has the state has the largest population per capita of black bears in the country.

1:06:34Uh, Wyoming, New Jersey. Oh, way. Yep. New Jersey. New Jersey. New Jersey has an infestation of black bears. New Jersey, we play this video a hundred times with these giant bears that are duking it out in a beautiful suburb of far rock away, New Jersey. So it's like nice, nice, normal, not like the woods. Yeah. Not like, you know, fucking residential area. Yeah, not the mountains, residential area. They knock over this mailbox and they're duking out in the street. Big fucking bears, big bears. A guy recently shot the state record black bear in New Jersey and it was 800 pounds. Yeah, you should see it.

1:07:13Pull that video up, the photo rather up of this guy's bear. So a preacher, that was archery as well. They banned bear hunting in New Jersey when the new governor came into place. That lasted for about a year. And then the human interactions with bears were so frequent and so that they re restarted the bear hunting program. It's an important tool. You get the size of the bear. Look at the fucking size. Seventh, Seventh, Seventh, Seventh, D dressed. Wow. That's 770 after they gutted it and they added another 800 pounds for its intestines and organs. And now another 100 pounds are the so is they think so it's feel dressed the bear before it was officially weighed in at 770.

1:07:55So it's probably quite a bit heavier than that. Pretty nuts. Great. So if you see there's other pictures of it when you really get a better size of it, see you find some other pictures of it because it is huge. Yeah, some other pictures of it have it laid out and you can see what it looks like. It's a fucking giant bear but it's because they have so much food there. And a lot of these bears exist, look at the size of that thing. A lot of these bears exist around humans. And you've gone after a black bear? Not that big. Not that. The black bears that I've shot are like 200 pounds, 250 pounds. Well, they didn't live with their babies.

1:08:32Yeah, I know. But yeah, you eat them, man. And it's also it's an important part of conservation because if you don't control their populations, no one does. This is the thing about bears. They are the top of the food chain. So if you're not controlling them, no one does. And so what they do is they eat each other. That's the only control of bears is the infanticide of the cubs by the males. So in the females too, by the way. You want to hear a crazy thing? My friend Jonathan. He watched this bear in this female bear. Because so the male bear came around. The female bear is trying to fight him off.

1:09:08And she eventually can't. And the male bear gets a hold of one of her cubs and kills it. And she chases him off of her dead cub. Then she eats her cub. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's the real world. That's the real world. She ate her cub right in front of him. And he was, he came back to camp and he was like, fuck. Yeah. So that's the balance that has to be struck. In, where is it? Montana where they had open season for, for elk or for moose. No. Was it moose? No, there's no open season. There's no like which date was open season. Open season means where he didn't need a permit. Right. They had a call the hall.

1:09:47There's no way. They would never do that with elk. Elk is a very valuable moose. No, no, no, no. They never do that with moose either. They would never do that with it. They do it in some communities with white tail deer. And the reason why they do it is because they're completely overpopulated and oddly enough, this happens a lot in the suburbs. Like there's places in the suburbs. Yeah, where people, there's like people who bow hunt in the suburbs. Because like, look, if you're bow hunting, your arrow doesn't go more than 100 yards. It's not like you have to worry about you shoot and someone a mile away gets hit by a bullet.

1:10:17If you miss. Your arrow drops. It arks, right? Archery, it arks. So it drops down to the ground. It only goes so far. And so it's safer if you have competent hunters who are skilled to hunt in the suburbs. And most of these suburbs have wooded areas. And they're infested with deer. So I think it was Pennsylvania. The states that were bringing in bow hunters. In New York and in all their wisdom, these fucking dorks. And in the area around the Hamptons, they have this issue. But the people are so fucking retarded. Long Island. That yeah, well, it's just it's the Hamptons because they're rich. It's like, if you have regular wrong island, regular wrong island, probably say, yeah, we should hunt them because they're food.

1:10:59I'm from Queens. Yeah, there you go. So they decided they were going to just try to sterilize the deer and give them birth control. They were going to, they came up with all these wacky concepts, but they didn't want to bring in bow hunters. But wasn't there in the last, what, five years? There was an overpopulation of mousse or deer elk. There's never been an overpop. No, no, no, no. There's been times where they had seasons in winter for elk in Montana. And the reason it was a complete depopulation effort. So they had had, this is before the reintroduction of wolves though. So the reintroduction of wolves, which is in the 1990s, has significantly impacted the elk population.

1:11:36And now it's actually more difficult to get a tag. But back then, they would have certain seasons that would have in the winter. So you'd be able to get these elk that were out there in the snow, moving very slowly in the deep snow. And you could just kind of pick them off. And it was basically just a meat hunt. And it was a lot, they killed a lot of cows that way, cow elk. And it was just a way for people to get meat. And also they were trying to put a dent on the population because it wasn't sustainable. So they would have an elk herd of thousands of elk where it really should have been like 800 elk with the sustainable sustainability of the area.

1:12:14And the bear couldn't keep up. They couldn't eat enough of them. The mountain lions couldn't eat enough of them. And then they brought in the wolves. And the wolves were way better than everybody else because they hunted together. And they started really chipping away at them. And now they've knocked the elk population down. I think it's in the neighborhood. They dropped it by 40 % or plus. Since what was your need for reducing the elk population? Well, if you don't have a balanced ecosystem, right? If you don't have enough predators, and you have a large animal like an elk. Like a bull elk is an 800 pound animal.

1:12:47And a mature cow elk is north of 300 pounds, 400 pounds. So this is a lot of food. And they can decimate vegetation. And there is a documentary that's kind of like poo -pooed by people. But interesting nonetheless, it's how wolves changed rivers. And it's all about how the Yellowstone ecosystem changed because of their introduction to wolves. And more songbirds came in because there was more vegetation because the instructional wolves they killed off a lot of the elk. The elk had been just like maybe overbalanced in the fact that they like overrepresented. They were eating too much vegetation.

1:13:25So it's all interesting. But what you really want is things to happen naturally. And then when there's a problem, really the best way to handle the problem if there's like an overabundance of these animals is to bring in hunters. The other solution would be to bring in predators. The problem with bringing in predators is if you have a predator like wolves that has been forever maligned because they go after livestock and they do target ranchers. Like there was an article I read today actually about these ranchers that were kind of optimistic about wolves being introduced into Colorado and now they vehemently oppose it.

1:14:05Because they've seen the impact. And one of the reasons why they saw the impact is because the governor of Colorado and all this fucking infinite wisdom, he had a mandate to get these wolves introduced during a certain amount of time and they didn't have the wolves. So they got wolves from Oregon that they had captured while they were praying on livestock. So these wolves were already accustomed to praying on livestock and those of the wolves they reintroduced into Colorado. They reintroduced wolves that had already been, they had already been like naturalized to killing livestock. And so what they started doing, they started finding livestock and killing them again.

1:14:42Duh. But that's the thing. It's like you're fucking around with nature and you don't know how this calculation is gonna end. Your, a good example is Australia. Australia is a fucking mess because they kept bringing in animals and then they'd bring in animals to kill the animals and then they'd have an overpopulation of certain animals so they bring in cats and now they have an overpopulation of feral cats. The point where they hunt feral cats. Like if you look at an Australian bohunting journal, you know they have bohunting magazines. My buddy Adam Greentree, shout out to Adam Greentree. My buddy Adam gave me a magazine from Australia bohunting and I'm like bro, what the fuck is this?

1:15:20It's all cats. These guys are holding up house cats because they kill feral cats whenever they can because feral cats have decimated ground nesting birds and they've destroyed just a shit ton of native animals that were in that area. Because they brought them in to kill some other animal they brought in. It's like, you can't fuck around with nature like that. You don't know what the consequences are and when you do ballot box biology, which is essentially what this stuff is. So the reintroduction of wolves is something people voted on. The people that voted on are living in fucking Denver or they don't encounter wolves.

1:15:56They don't know what they're doing. It's like the same thing happened in Vancouver. So in British Columbia they outlawed grizzly bear hunting. Why they do that? Because they're mad, why would you kill it? They call it trophy hunting. But it's important to manage the predators and the people that knew this were the people that lived in the rural areas that were vehemently opposed to this ban. And then what happens? Well, you get ballot box biology. You get people that have no experience with bears. Don't encounter bears. Don't have to worry about bears. And they say, yeah, let's not ban them anymore.

1:16:25Now you got bears breaking into people's houses and there's much more of them than ever before and people freaked out. You can't do anything about it. Yeah, I freaked out when the bear came to the house. Yeah, it was like, whoa. You should've seen this fucking bear 250 pounds swimming in my swimming pool. You know, going back and forth and then the Department of Parks and Rangers came in to try and deal with it. Yeah. Yeah, they said, stop feeding it. I'm not feeding it. I put the fucking beef into the garbage can because it's no longer, you know, it wasn't frozen. Bear kept on, don't put it there.

1:17:03Where should I put it? Yeah, where do you put it to me? Put it at your asshole neighbor's house. He has some guy that's annoying. Go use his garbage in the middle of the night. I've got a bad neighbor. I'm going to have to put it into there. You should dress up though. Dress up like a cooklaz plan member or something like that. No, dress up is a bear to go into a roast rice to the roast rice. Oh, there you go. Remember that one? No, what was that? You didn't see that? Yes. Oh, that's right. The guy was wearing a bear suit. And they brought it in the bear expert and said, that bear would not have gone into the roast rice and that goes great marks on it.

1:17:40So this guy was trying to get rid of his car? He was trying to get insurance money. Oh, what a moron. What a silly bitch. Yeah, yeah. I've learned right now so much more about bears. Incredible. Yeah, they're wild animal. Not wild, just wild, but fast eating. I love them. Teddy Roosevelt and when he did his bear hunting, loved it. Bears are such terrible. You know what the scariest bear to run across is? Take a guess. Polar bear. Oh, white bear. Yeah. You know why? No. Because they don't eat anything, but meat. At least, grizzly bears. If you find a grizzly bear that's in a blueberry field, you probably don't have to worry about them.

1:18:19They're gonna be birds. Oh, yeah, they'd be gorging on blue. But black bears and grizzly bears are omnivorous. So they eat vegetation and they also eat meat. Polar bears are just carnivores. Wow. And they're hyper aggressive. Yeah, they just eat seals and occasionally people. But they hunt people. Yeah. No way. Oh, yeah, they'll go after you. They smell you from a distance to hunt you. Bed, bed body order or something. Just you smell. Everybody smells. You know, you'd be amazed at how much a bear can smell. There was a video where my friend was in a couple of, I think they were in Montana, maybe Idaho.

1:18:57And a bear was 700 yards away plus. And the wind hit the back of his neck and the bear started running. And he's like, did that fucking bear wind us? Like the bear caught their smell from 700 yards away. And went after him. No, the other way. It was black. He ran away. Black bears run away. He went run. Yeah. Well, in any area where the bears get hunted, they've run away. Sure. You know, like in Alaska, if they smell you, generally they'll run away because people hunt bears in Alaska. They don't have any experience with getting hunted. Black bears do, but grizzly bears don't in the lower 48. And the lower 48 is not legal to hunt them yet.

1:19:39But they're trying to choose that. Grizzlies. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Great new information for me. It's important to know. Yeah. You can kiss that girl. It's a wild world out there. Absolutely. It's a wild world. And if you know, you live in the city and you think it's cute, let's go for a hike. You know, suddenly you meet a fucking mountain lion. We have mountain lions where the houses, yeah. Mountain lions. Bobcats. Dear Bobcats. A lot of. You have a lot more deer if it wasn't for the mountain lions. And that's what the wildlife lovers want. They want nature to balance itself out.

1:20:16The problem is they eat your cats and dogs too. A lot of them. In San Francisco, there was like 50 % of the problem cats that they caught. They found out their diet was pets. Yeah. 50 % of their diet was pets. I lost two cats. Yeah. And the reality is mostly right. The coyotes were the ones. They were indoor cats in every now and then that would go out. Gone. Gone. Owls get them too. Do they really? They swoop in and pick them up and take them away. A buddy of mine has a friend who works in like tree service and they found a nest and owl nest. It was filled with cat collars. Yeah, like 10 cat collars in there.

1:20:58Yeah, we fit owls where we are. We're in San Francisco's in a pass. Oh yeah. Yeah, a lot of owls out there. A lot of owls. Do you know owls are stupid? No. Yeah, they're dumb. You know that whole thing of wise old owl. They're one of the dumbest birds. They don't learn things. They're stupid. I talked to a lady who's a falconer. And she trains birds and she has an owl and she's like, it's the dumbest bird I have. She's like this idea that owls are wise. She's like, they're the second dumbest bird. Who's number one? I forget. Ostrich. See if you can find it. It's in the ostrich family. Yeah. It's another animal that's in the ostrich family.

1:21:31What's it called? Ostrich's might be dumber than owls. They're really dumb. Always got their head in the sand. Well, they're also big. Yeah, they're big. They don't fuck. But the other, they don't kill you. They can kick you to death. What's the other breed that's not ostrich but it's in the same family? Castaway. It's castaway, I think that's what's fun. That's the one that's dangerous. They kill people. You ever seen that fucking weird bird? No. Am I saying it right? Castaway, that's what. Castaway. Yeah, they're freaky looking. They're freaky looking. Yeah, they're a big ass bird too, but they kill people.

1:22:07The people have died by being attacked by these birds. And what? Pecs them on their face? I think they claw them. I think they attack you with their claw. It might be their face too. Their face looks like a fucking hatchet. Yeah. That's it. Wow, beautiful bird. Beautiful. God, look at his eyes. Wow. The combination. I'm looking at you. Yeah. Wow, look at the comb. Google Casawari kills people. And where did they found just in Australia? I don't know where that one is. A massive, flightless, e -moo -like creature. That's the word, e -moo. As the most dangerous bird in the world, owned to the fact that it can seriously injure a kill a human or a dog in an instant with his deadly claws.

1:22:47Yeah, it's a claws. Yeah. They just rip you apart. So they go for your guts. You know, that's the same. Yeah. Look at their tips. Oh my God, they got fucking talons for claws. Jeez. Five inch. They can eviscerate a human being with a single kick. Although there's no record of this happening, it wasn't because of people who are dead. They can run 13 miles an hour. Kill a 75 year old man who was raising one. In Florida. He tripped and fell on it and the bird ran. Oh Jesus Christ. It's a come to a sit. Yeah. Wow. Well, that's a bird I'm not gonna collect. Yeah. What's the dumbest bird, Jamie? So it's, Casawari, it said owls are smart when I Google our eyes, dumb or smart.

1:23:35Lies. So they're almost as smart as a crow or a razor. Our horse shit. But I did see some stuff saying they're not that smart for their brains are different, but they have really good eyesight and stuff. So yeah, they have two or a sudden. No, owls are not dumb. Yeah, that's right. Lies. Lies. I was talking to a lady. And she, one lady told you they're not ladies. Two, two different falconers. If you have three, it's done deal. Two different people. And now you like in the last year, I've hung out with two different falconers and their animals. Believe it or not. One of them had an eagle. Yeah.

1:24:07She had a female bald eagle. It was amazing. Dude, I caught it on my arm. You know, you put the glove on. You have to put a different glove for the eagle than the other animals because its talons are so powerful. But having that thing land on your arm is crazy. The shoe bill might be the dumbest bird. Shoobill. Even though it makes that cool -ass sound. Oh yeah, they're cool. Have you ever seen that fucking thing? A shoe bill? It's a stupid bird in the wild. They make a sound that sounds like gunshots. It's like, they slap their jaws together. And they stand like that. That's what it looks like.

1:24:39See how the thing's standing up? That thing's like five feet tall. Imagine a five foot tall bird with those evil eyes and that giant face. Look at his fucking mouth. Look at that beak. Get a video of - That's the dumbest bird. I mean, there's multiple articles repeating it. The dodo was really dumb bird, too. Yeah, dodo. But can you do, Google's shoe bill makes noise. Shoobill noise. Yeah. It's really cool. It sounds like a machine gun business. This is lacking, so they kind of shake the bottom on the top of their beak or their bill back with the fourth. It's being - Shut the fuck up, dude. Shut this dodo.

1:25:15That's how you get this kind of - Shut this dodo. Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

1:25:27How crazy is that? That is - Now imagine - Imagine that getting a hole in your face. Imagine that - Or - Or - Any massive - A pendage lower down. It's a big animal, too, man. They're big. What's the height of it? I think they're like five feet tall. Five - And then nuts. Wow. And they - They look like they're from a different time. They look like they're - Like you went back at 3 .5 to five feet tall. Yeah. They look like they're from dinosaur times. Yeah. It doesn't even make sense. Like look at that thing. You ever heard of a terabird? No. Terabirds used to exist, like more than a million years ago, right?

1:26:01I work in human, you know, anatomy and human science. I work in meat fighting. Oh, yeah. You collect it. And I want to complain about - I was expecting to find some oak sticks out in your front. I've got some. Yeah. First time I had it plain. Yeah. Well, I'm not complaining. Yeah. But I asked them. They said it's not available. I have. Jamie, Google terabird, like, yeah, the image with a human being. Where is it right there? So that is what they look - You still look like. Imagine that. Whoa. A nine foot to 10 foot tall giant flightless bird. And they call them terabirds. Terror like T -E -R -R -O -R?

1:26:44Terror. Like you'd be terrified if you saw that fucking giant bird. Yeah, fucking scared shitless. Killing horses and shit. Terabird. Yeah. It was huge. So where can we get one? They don't exist anymore. When did they die off? Look at it. It looked like, whoa. It's like, what do you need to do? Isn't that crazy? Imagine seeing that 10 feet tall. Whoa. Holy shit. I'll take two, please. Look at the size of it. That's what they used to look like. Where is that? That's it. Well, that's a recreation, obviously. Yeah, obviously. I don't know where that is. So it was based off of the fossil ones. Yeah.

1:27:17Fossil room. What year did they go extinct? 55 billion years, OK. They go a couple million. Yeah. 55 billion years, OK. It says right there, when did the terabird go extinct? Cenozoic era? What's that? What date was that? OK. It was January. 66 million. Oh, a lot more. A lot longer ago. 66. So the current geological age of Earth, oh, it's the current geological age, beginning 66 million years ago and continuing to the present. So when did the terabirds go extinct? Does it say when did they go extinct? How do you pronounce that word? I think it says, hold on. How do you pronounce that? pH or...

1:28:07Orusra... Is it a virus? Orusra -sitis? Well, how would you say it? You're a terabird. I would say a terabird. Oh, it's only thousands of years ago? One of them survived until the late place to see. Whoa. It's 63. I mean, they could have been longer dry as, you know. Holy shit. One of them survived until 6 ,000 years ago, between 96 ,000 and 6 ,000. I thought it was millions. So late place to see. Wow. 100 ,000 years ago. Oh, we're so lucky. Yeah, we had to go mail. Man, ate it up, right? I don't think any end of dolls were here. They were European. I think there's probably a bunch of assholes who want to bring those back, too.

1:28:48You know? They want to bring back the mammoth. That's probably next. Let's bring back the terabird. They've been working on that, right? Yeah. They'll probably just call it a different name. They won't call it a terabird. They'll call it something cute. You know, the conservation bird. He's going to make sure that all of them. They'll call it Big Bird. Big Bird. Yeah, we're going to bring back Big Bird. Just make him yellow so people love him. I don't know, Big Bird. Unbelievable. Yeah. So that's a world. So speaking of which, we're talking about ridiculous shit. And you are a doctor. I wanted to bring this up to you, because Jamie and I were exchanging text messages yesterday about these mommies that they found in Peru that have three fingers.

1:29:30Nileans. Yeah. Well, they don't know what they are, but they have three fingers and not three fingers because they cut the fingers off. They actually, they're structured. Genetically, it's three fingers. And their cranial capacity, they have a large head, which a lot of times they think was due to, you know, they would form their head and like, press boards to make their head stretch out, which they definitely did in some tribes. But the question is, why were they doing that? And then were they doing it to replicate something else? That's it. So the thing about these is they had a cranial capacity that is larger than most human beings.

1:30:04That's alien. It looks like a fucking alien. That's a fucking, that's correct. But is that real? Here's the question. A peer, okay, three fingered alien mommies. Click on that article and see where they get in the center. I know it was in New York Post. So three fingered alien mommies found in Peru have fingerprints that do not appear to be human. So the fingerprints that it has, instead of spirals, I think they're lines and Google, but scroll back, scroll back to where we were. Look at that image. That's X -ray image of their fingers. So these are like real bones and digits. So this isn't just a statue that someone made.

1:30:46This has real bone structure that is exact to like what a human being has, all those little tiny muscles in the hand, right? I mean, that all looks normal but weird with the three fingers and three toes. And so if you scroll down, you'll see more images. So this is what it looked like when they found it. So the body is covered. Go back, so I could read that, please. It says the body is covered with diatomaceous earth. A type of white powder made from the sediment of fossilized algae found in the bodies of water. The only possible explanation for the unusually straight fingerprints could possibly have something to do with the way her skin was preserved, you said, noting that it's very odd.

1:31:31So the US medical examiner traveled to Peru last able to study the bodies with a lack of human fingerprints as puzzling. He said it would be extremely premature to make any statements about the mummy's origins. So they know for a fact that these things are biological and they're not created. Have they done any sort of DNA? Look at the picture of what it actually looks like. That's fucking crazy. That does look like an alien. I mean, that's exactly what people expect to see at their bed in the middle of the night. Yeah, you said it looks like an alien. Yeah, it is an alien. If it's real, it's so hard and no disrespect to the post.

1:32:07But you know, people bullshit, not those those those I think have proven to be horseshit. But if you scroll up, scroll back to where you were, back to where you were, that thing. Okay. I want to know what that is. Like, what is that? If it's got three fingers and three toes and it's got an alien face. It looks like a gray. It has a tiny slot for a mouth and tiny dots for a nose. It looks like the archetypal angel or the archetypal alien rather that people see in like closing cows of the third time, third kind. And what was that other movie? The Whitley Striber movie communion communion. I didn't see that one.

1:32:43That's a weird one because Whitley Striber is also a fiction writer. And he wrote this book about his own personal experiences with aliens, which I want to believe him. Yeah, that's classical impression. Yeah, face wise of an alien of a gray as he's 100%. 100 % even with the shape of the like the eyes are kind of slanted, like not like a humans. Like they're at angles, just like they was they was show them with these kind of they look, you know, the big eyes, the ominous, the large. Yeah, one of the brown here somewhere, don't we? Yeah, you probably aliens all over this fucking place. But that classic look is exactly what those mummies look like.

1:33:20So they have straight thing. Go back. What you just were three figures. Jesus Christ, all these pop ups in that crazy. It says the humanoid three finger to alien mummies have straight fingerprints that do not match those of humans according to an attorney who reviewed one of the controversial specimens. Oh, an attorney said that he believe him. I don't know. The rest of this came from us because this guy didn't believe. I was saying, so he's like, we're going to go look. So Joshua McDowell, a former Colorado prosecutor and current defense attorney examined one of the tiny strange bodies named Maria with three independent forensic medical examiners from the United States.

1:33:55Scroll. It said he and the experts are shocked to discover that the fingerprints and the ET light corpses were in perfectly straight lines. They were not traditional human fingerprint patterns. He told the daily mail. But what did they do in analysis of the tissue? Like did they find out that it's actually a biological tissue? Can you scroll down further? It doesn't say anything like that. So I was trying to go to a different article as to find better. So I'm a forensic prosecutor. Criminal defense attorney. I've seen lots of fingerprints and these were not classic fingerprints. Look how weird it is.

1:34:25Look at that image. That's so crazy looking. How do I just find out about this yesterday? Like I know, but I never saw it look like this. What I saw with those other ones that I think have been proven, I might be wrong, but I think at least allegedly had been proven to not be real. And that the person who was exposing those, those little tiny ones that were like laying down straight, that guy had a history of doing some deceptive stuff allegedly. So. But you believe that they're there. Do I believe that the aliens are here? I do not not believe. Do not not believe. So I don't disbelieve. Yeah, I'm bivalent as to the fact that they I believe that they're here.

1:35:09I wouldn't even say I'm ambivalent. I am open -minded. OK. But you won't say yes. Yeah, I'm logical. I think there's a lot of deception going on. OK. I think there's also the possibility that what we're dealing with is not as simple as we like to think. Yeah, these things. So these things I've heard are bullshit. I know might be, might be wrong, but we're trying to find out. Well, might that be that information? That that Jane that journalist that unveiled the bodies and the guy who exposed the bodies, the guy who exposed the bodies, I think, was the one the guy who came up with it. So I was trying to figure out how so there's an issue of them being found in Peru and taken to Mexico.

1:35:51Oh, it's already that issue. OK. And then where they said they were found near Naska in 2017. I'm trying to feel like, OK, who found their minds. Yeah, that was the thing about that that alien looking one with the three fingers that was even more interesting to me. Because that's that area where these incredible patterns that are made on the ground that you can only see from space, or not space at the air. You can only see looking down on them. So it's like, why would anybody even make those things? And some of them look like the images look like animals and stuff. Yes, spiders and stuff. Yeah, weird stuff.

1:36:25And some of them look like maybe even a person.

1:36:31Mexican doctors have examined two bodies. It featured elongated heads and three fingers and each and same thing, three fingers. They found no evidence of any assembly or manipulation of the skulls. But other scientists have panned the discovery as an elaborate stunt. Mauson 70, who touted the purported extraterrestrials the most important thing that has happened to humanity has denied any wrongdoing. Scroll down. Look at that. How fucking weird. Yeah, I believe that there are aliens. Why do you believe that? Why do I believe that? Why would we be the only people on a planet when there are millions and billions of planets out there?

1:37:14And we've reached the level of technology that allows us to send a ship to the moon, anticipation with musk to go to Mars and so forth. How about there are other people on other planets who have accelerated? Have been there millions of years longer than we have? Why is it not that they're able to come to us to see what we're doing? We're going out to other planets to see what was on other planets. I believe that there are other people out there. According to the UFO of Fish and Auto, by the way, as you say, according to the UFO of Fish and Auto, I already started looking at you. You believe that?

1:37:53The analysis showed that the humanoids are not related to any known earthly species and that one third of their DNA is unknown. Here you go. We'll take it and map it. Let's make a new one. Yeah, let's look at it. Get those massive dongeys. Get those maston guys and introduce some simian biology into them and turn it into a new kind of alien. Yeah, just do a 23 in me. Says the specimens are not a part of our evolutionary history of Earth. The University of Sins distance itself from Al -San claiming its scientists took no part in the research and never came in contact with the full corpses. In no case, do we make conclusions about the origin of these samples, universities, national laboratory of mass spectrometry with accelerators at an statement?

1:38:36Okay. The presence of carbon -14 allegedly detected in the specimens proved the samples were related to brain and skin tissues from different mummies who died at different times. What does that mean? Yeah. From one individual? Is that saying from one individual? The presence of carbon -14 allegedly detected in the specimens proved that the samples were related to brain and skin tissue from different mummies who died at different times. So they come from different times and they're all different little mummies. So that's what they're saying. So what they're saying is that the carbon isotope dating is showing that that's what it is, right?

1:39:17Is that what they're saying? Okay. So how do you account for the fact that in Egypt and in the Mayan rooms? So forth. Hold on, this is our buddy, Ryan. US Navy pilot Ryan Graves who attended the hearing to share his personal experience with alleged UFO sightings. Later slammed Mouson's presentation as a stunt. He said yesterday's demonstration was a huge step backwards for this issue. Graves wrote on X, formerly Twitter, I am deeply disappointed by this unsubstantiated stunt. Well, he's a very legitimate guy. Ryan Graves is and very intelligent. And if he's saying it's a stunt, now I'm super skeptical.

1:39:56He's a hit. Okay, he has a history of making controversial claims about other alien remains that have been wildly discredited, widely discredited. Okay. In 2017, he participated in a TV documentary about other specimens recovered near Prus Naskalans, which experts have said to have been concocted out of modified mummies. So one of their talking about that other thing when they're saying that. That's all older than the one we were looking at. The one we're looking at, when did they find that one? When they find that alien? That's, I, it's said the same time. That's why I was trying to get into this and the sources aren't great.

1:40:33It's all, they said they're all coming from the same area around the same time, but they all look different. Yeah, that looks super different. That one looks more like the way something you'd find dead. Like the way it's, like even the way it's legs are rotted away. Like it doesn't look fake. That one video we watched, or you sent me was getting more towards like they could have been found in a burial type site that other groups used similar things. Where did they find this one though? This is the one I'm interested in. It doesn't say specific. But the fact that they did an X -ray and they show the actual fingers and toes and that it looks just like real fingers and real toes with actual bones, that's crazy.

1:41:13Cubiform bones, the failings, they, you know, they're consistent with, you know, looking at human hands. Right, but it's consistent with a human hand that would have three fingers, right? It doesn't have, there's not missing digits. So you say it's genetic abnormalities, so they only have three fingers? It could be. Well, there's a group of people in Africa that have like bird feet. Have you ever seen them? No. They have toes, it's like a genetic mutation that exists and it's thought to be like a prized thing. And these people have like two toes to, and their feet branch off like this. And there's a bunch of people in this village that have these feet that are like this.

1:41:47I forget what they call them, like bird feet or I forget how they describe them. Yeah, these are the folks. So see that? Yeah. So now if you found these guys, and there's not just one of them, substantial minority of Vodoma have a condition known as, X -Tro, you say that, you're the doctor. Ectodactyl. Ectodactyl, which means the middle three toes are absent and the two outer ones are turned in, resulting in the tribe being known as the two -toed or ostrich -footed tribe. So go to images and see what that looks like. It's really wild, because there's like a bunch of them hanging out together. Look at their feet.

1:42:21So now if you found a body that had those, you would say, oh, those are aliens. No, but look at that alien. If you go back to the one that was traditional with the eyes and the face and the size. Yeah, definitely. These are grays, okay? Well, it certainly looks like what I would think a gray would be. Correct. And the fact that it doesn't have a thumb is odd too. That is also one of the things that people have said about these things. There's also, they always have said that they have very long fingers. And you look at his fingers in relationship to the size of the body. They're very long, long fingers and very long toes.

1:42:55Yeah. I mean, how do you account for the fact that there are multiple, you know, from the serians to the Egyptians, to the Aztecs, Toltecs, Mayans, where they have on their structures, they have imagery of flying saucers, helicopters on alien. You know, there's a couple of with the, they look alien. I think the helicopter, the helicopter one, I think is a fraud. You think it's all fraud? I think that one is. Well, why I think that's what he's talking about. I think it is. But yeah, I'm pretty sure that's been shown, but the planes that they found that are like wooden carved planes. Like they look like airplanes that they've found in tombs.

1:43:42That's fascinating. They have a rudder. They have a tail. They have wings. And it looks like a plane. Yeah. So how do you, that is crazy. How do you account for that? Well, I don't know what we're looking at. And I think there's more to reality than we see. I have a feeling that our senses are extremely limited and that there's other dimensions that we don't have access to that might have access to us. I don't necessarily discredit the idea of something traveling from another planet. I think we might be dealing with that too. I think we might be dealing with a bunch of different civilizations and entities that are at very different stages of evolution.

1:44:26So if life exists all throughout the galaxy, we know a bunch of things, right? We know that planets have certain ages. We know that some planets are very old and some planets are much younger. And we know that some planets are much closer to the sun and some planets live in a very hospitable environment. We know that some planets like ours are essentially in a shooting gallery because there's 900 ,000 near -Earth objects or more that are flying around, slamming into things. And if it wasn't for Jupiter, we'd be fucked. If it wasn't for Jupiter's enormous gravity and mass pulling everything into it, that's like basically our catcher.

1:45:05It catches all the shit that flies into our solar system and slams into Jupiter. And of course, the moon itself is pockmarked with, so imagine a planet that doesn't have that issue. Imagine a planet that has a different environment where there's not a bunch of shit flying around and they think that flying around stuff is largely the part of collisions, like planets colliding with each other in the distant past and that's actually how Earth got formed. You got a bathroom? Yeah, go go go go go go. This is a good time. I'm going to investigate this stuff. Jamie's investigating. Yes, I'm excited. Investigation.

1:45:38Just say get go pee, go pee, come on buddy. Thanks. To the left. To the left. This dude's already lit. He's had three giant glasses of whiskey. He's 78 years old. Yeah, I got a clear picture of that egg too. I've got a whole my brain works that good, but I'm 78. You know what I'm saying? Like that dude, just, he doesn't know how he notes. He's just pulling all this information out of the ether. So the guy who took him, you mean to wait? Which the egg? No, no, fuck the egg. This is the Nazca mommy stuff. Oh, yeah. He said he removed as many as 200 sets of remains from the cave. Whoa. Some of the bodies have been smuggled out of Peru to France, Spain and Russia.

1:46:17Oh. In an interview with Reuters, he said, this is from... What would you do? What's has this? What would you do if somebody got you, one of them mummies, if someone say, hey Jamie, give me that money that you won from Shane. Ooh, look at that. Whoa. The same thing though, three toes. Look how long the fucking toes are. I think that's where the X -ray comes from as these. Oh. It's the same guy, the McDowell guy. Oh, the same guy keeps finding him. Yeah, it's the same people. We'll sus, right? They found about eight I think, as we're saying here. And then the McDowell's father is saying they're having a hard time getting them to the US to do more studies.

1:46:58Oh yeah, super hard. Cut the fucking shit. We're already pissed off. We call Elon disappearing. He'll shoot a rocket over there. Pick those things up quick. Let me see the skull again. Have they done an X -ray of the skull? Why wouldn't they do that? I had an X -ray on one of these skulls. Of the skull? Oh Jesus Christ. Holy shit dude, it looks like one of the smaller ones though. Yeah, but whatever. Look at this, could be eggs. What? I don't know. What is that? Like the ribs look like. Imagine if you found out those like anal toys and they're just freaks. I do believe one of these they were saying was made up of different animal parts and stuff.

1:47:33Comes it down and put a microphone on. Well, yeah. So we're looking at X -rays of one of them is bullshit. Look at the fucking X -rays of the skulls man. Like you're a doctor, look at that. That looks like real shit. That looks like real. Yeah. Oh, it's her real bones. Well, yeah, completely different. X -ray shows it, the capillary, and the space for the brain. What is that thing across his chest? What's that thing? I'll show you what's up there. Instead of the sternum, it's their form of sternum. Yeah, I guess, right? It's like some sternum holes are two sides left and right together. Maybe it had surgery.

1:48:10Yeah. Maybe it had surgery. In plant. Jesus. Yeah, maybe that's it's like neural. Where's this from? So this is I found I was like digging more. Mrs. Slythesis from this year. Look at that one. Look at that. Show that to Dr. Gordon. Look at the same thing. Different finger, the long fingers, long toes. Same thing three. Yeah. And real similar in the way they look. Prove it. So all these are coming out of Peru. They all came from the same area. That's when you disappeared. They said they've gotten close to 200. I didn't disappear. Well, you disappeared. I just went to the bathroom, Jamie. Yeah, I have a route to go.

1:48:48You've read the disappear. I just had a pee. Come on. Disappered. It's like he left you. Look at that X -ray of the skulls, the skeletons though, rather. Those look so fascinating. Yeah, those look really weird. Just what I was seeing too. The videographer isn't known. They don't know who shot this video. Mm -hmm. Well, it says the videographer behind the new footage is unknown in no small measure due to the thorny legal and ethical dimensions of handling these allegedly historical and culturally priceless ancient remains. That makes sense. I don't know exactly shot the video, but there are context clues in the longer version, one source who had also been granted the tape told DailyMail .com.

1:49:34They call them Huckueros, who has long been involved in promotion that these NASCA mummies was convicted of assault on public monuments for taking artifacts in 2022. So if you take these artifacts, they go after you. The man received a four -year suspended sentence was fined about 20 ,000 Peruvian souls, just $5 ,190 according to Reuters. A clear example of the high risk extra legal measures some have taken to seek either truth or profit from these aliens. That makes sense. So it's dangerous to pull them out. You can get in trouble. So then I think that's why I was getting tutu was the journalist?

1:50:12Yeah. Has a lawsuit. You take the Peruvian government to court, hoping to negotiate with Peru as you put it to be allowed to export the samples to be done in America. The lawsuit is already in for $300 million. Wow, explaining, he's pursuing monetary damages to repair his enterprise's damaged reputation, but it tends to spend the cash on a museum for the mummies and hookers. And a Ferrari. I want a Ferrari. And Dr. McDowell himself has also recently pled with Peru's government and open letter published in one of the country's top newspapers, asking for official permission to study these specimens.

1:50:49A top flight scientific facilities in the US. Well, I like that. I like that at least he's trying to get them, if it's true, that he's trying to get them studied. But you imagine if you were one doctor who did find these things, you would receive a tremendous maskepsism and assholes like me, like making fun of them. Wes Hollywood, you're the one. And you're the one who's on. Yeah. Interesting stuff, man. So when you look at that as a doctor, does that look like horseshit to you? Or does it look real? No, it looks real. I mean, the x -rays that you were showing. You know, the fact that they came from Naska with all those lines, and I know about them.

1:51:24And Machu Picchu. And Machu Picchu. Which is a really amazing place that they to this day don't really understand how they built it. Correct. Alicin went there to Machu Picchu. Yeah. So she was tuning on. She was tuning on the coca leaves in a candy and so forth. But I gave her a die mox. I gave her die mox so that she can actually die mox as a tablet you take to boost your room. Court of Smasherms get for that too. There's a lot of things going on. This is a pharmaceutical pill. But in my mind, knowing that it's Naska lines and the association of possible aliens, and then finding these corpses coming from Naska, you put one and one together and it makes sense.

1:52:13Sorta. Sorta. It also makes sense that if you were going to hoax things, that's where you would hoax them. Correct. I got it. And that's skepticism that you have for it. Well, I'm just being rational. I'm not being skeptical. I'm honestly not skeptical. I'm kind of open about these. So you don't believe that it's real? I don't know if it's real. Oh, yeah. I like to think it's real. But that's the problem is that I really want that. So what are you doing? You say it's not real, but it looks real. I don't say nothing. OK. I just talk shit. Yeah. That's what cats here. That's what we do. And we're just talking shit.

1:52:41I don't know. I'm not an expert in biology. I don't know. I mean, the skeleton looks real to me. But what do I know? If I was going to make a fake skeleton, could I do that with a bunch of discarded bones? Maybe. What I'm skeptical about is the way the joints they extend. On the fingers. Well, not just the fingers. Yeah, but they look like hours, right? Like the same way. If you go back to that skeleton again, please. Correct. If you look at it in the x -ray, what you see is the bones, they're formed, that are very similar to the way ours are formed, where at the end of it, not not the one of the actual skeleton, Jamie?

1:53:14Yeah. So, like, how the bones are at the top and where the joint is, that looks like how our bones are. Like, the hinge in the joint of the elbow looks exactly like how a human's is except it's one bone instead of two, which is, let's be honest, probably a better design. You know, the two bones, that little one I've looked at the one before. You're a little older. The little owner. Yeah, I broke the fibula, too. Whoa. Yeah, a small one. Yeah, the small one on the leg. In a checker kick. No, kickboxing. Kickboxing. Not even checking it, because we're kicking at the same time. Let's put it this way.

1:53:46I feel it hit my shin. It looks suggestive, okay, of it being something that might be real. It definitely looks suggestive of something that might be real and very unique, right? Very different than our anatomy. And it's our prejudice that says that, oh, we're the only people here. Well, I don't think that. What do you think? I don't know. Yeah. I think the possibility that something could be so advanced that all of our ideas of how it got here and how long it's been here are just silly. I think we might be just like these people in the Amazon that my friend Paul Rosalie's running into. They don't know that he goes on the Joe Rogan experience and reaches 15 million people.

1:54:24They don't have any idea. They have no idea. So what do they say? They see some guy with clothes on. Like, what's this asshole doing? And he's out there in the Amazon. And then he takes a picture. And this is, their experience with him is probably kind of similar to our experience, but except like much more exaggerated with aliens. Like if you came into contact with something that's a million years more advanced than us, like what would that contact be like? Would it why? I mean, are we so limited in our understanding of how you move through the universe that we assume that everything has to use rockets and everything has to burn fuel and shoot things into defy gravity by pushing against it.

1:55:09Maybe not. Maybe there's much more advanced propulsion systems that exist. These are the hands. They're dissecting it. They're dissecting it. Whoa. What the fuck, man? Whoa. Yeah, the dissection, they'll know. That looks like weird bones in a hand. That's creepy. That's so creepy. Look at their skin. I mean, obviously, modified, but how fucking weird. How weird? Look at the bones underneath it. That's crazy. That is so crazy. And you're gonna tell me someone put this together as a joke. Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm looking at this. I don't know who's a part of this, but when he peels that back and you see those bones again, that is fucking nuts.

1:55:59That's so wild. But also, why those bones so clear for a mummified thing? Those bones look in my mind. They don't look mummified. They look like more recent. But what do I know? And almost looks wet. Go back to that image. Yeah, it was wet. Shine, the other thing was shiny too. Right. So is that because they put something on it? Or is that what happens when you cut that thing open? I'm not trying to find longer videos. Oh, you know, fear. They're putting like distilled water on it during the process of decoding. Nice acting it. Yeah, to dissect it. Maybe they're trying to clean off the bones and they did something to it to brush it and put a water on it there.

1:56:38Whatever that is. How old did they say that that was? Does it go back to the day? Did they carbon date it? Or did they just see that would be the thing to do is to carbon date it to find out whether or not if it's that old, then it should be petrified. And therefore it shouldn't look like that. Right. Like if it's a million years old. If it's a million years old. But it's only 500 years old. It's totally different story. So the way that the bulge look. Yeah. It's weird to shit. But the thing is like there's so many people that essentially make a living off of line. They make a living off of bullshitting.

1:57:12Yeah. There's a lot of that going on. Yeah. So religiously, I mean, look at from a religious standpoint, what's the impact of acknowledging that there are other species in extraterrestrials? What's the impact on religion here in the United States or here in the world? Depending on which religion you're talking about. But this matter. Which Vatican has been pretty open to the idea that we're not alone and that God could possibly have created other life forms. So I'm pretty sure that's true. I think the Vatican gave a statement within the last decade or so about this. But they probably know some shit, right?

1:57:50They probably have it. And you know, you've seen some of the Russian studies that I mean, where they had aliens who crashed in a flying saucer and they abused the aliens. Vatican astronomers says if aliens exist, they may not need redemption. That's cool. Jesus gave them a falcon of all past. Let's it be those who come from other planets. They may be a different life form that does not need Christ's redemption. The Vatican chief astronomer said, that makes sense. I mean, if they came from somewhere else, difficult to exclude the possibility that other intelligent life exists in the universe, he noted that one field of astronomy is now actively seeking biomarkers, inspectrum analysis of other stars and planets.

1:58:32That's true. They definitely have done that. These potential forms of life could include those that have no need of oxygen or hydrogen, he said. Just as God created multiple forms of life on earth, he said there may be diverse forms throughout the universe. That makes sense. That's an open -minded religious person. It's not in contrast with faith because we cannot place limits on the creative freedom of God. That makes sense. Yeah, if you're gonna be logical and be a believer in God, that's the way to do it, right? To say, look, if God exists, we just might be too limited in our understanding of the world to think that, we think that God just made us, and this is it, but it might be God has made life all throughout the universe.

1:59:15Yeah. If you believe in God, you have to accept the fact that he's on other planets. We're not the exclusivity. Maybe God is the universe. Well, that's what they've been saying. God is the universe. The universe is God. Which makes sense, because the universe is a creative force. It makes things constantly. It's constantly making stars, there's stellar nurseries and planets, and so what should take on Bigfoot these days? I think Bigfoot is mostly nonsense that is sort of a historical memory. I think for sure we know that Ganto Pithecus was a real animal that co -existed with human beings. And we know that what's the date of a Ganto Pithecus?

1:59:57It's more than hundreds of thousands of years, right? But it just makes sense that if human beings have been around for that long, and that thing's been around for that long, and then... Ganto Pithecus? 200 ,000 years ago. Two million, two approximately, 300 ,000 and 200 ,000 years ago. So it's recently as possibly 200 ,000 years ago, but that's essentially based on what they found. Now they're constantly finding new things, right? So they didn't even know Denisovans were a thing, which is a new type of human. Except they checked the one's fault. No, they're not gigantic. They're just a different...

2:00:32There was Neanderthal, Homo sap... Denisovans was another branch of the human tree, and they didn't discover them. I want to say 2010, when they discovered Denisovans. That's pretty sick. I think they discovered them in Russia, and they found them in China, and so they know that there's that. And then there was another species that they found recently that's even more recent, that's large -headed people, that had larger heads than us, that existed with us. They had like big fucking eyebrows and big heads. What about that? They're what? 17 feet tall, 16 feet tall. What's that? Gigantic humans. That's it.

2:01:14They're... You know, I don't know that. It's the problem. Here's the problem. You don't know what is real. When was Denisovans? I... When they discovered that. Well, they were... They lived in 75 ,000 years ago, How tall were they differentiated? They were like Neanderthals. When they discovered Denisovans fossils. That's what I'm trying to figure out. They had it's one piece they found. Right. But it was pretty... It was a poor... 2014? Yeah. Yeah. You're right. There's a lot of shit that's coming on the internet. The last thing that I was reading, and not last, but one of the things that I read was they found a bones of people that were like...

2:01:52Giant people. Giant people, yeah. Yeah, I've never seen any of it. I wouldn't dismiss it. You know, there's giants in the Bible. There's giants in historical record. The lie about that. Yeah, yeah. It's completely possible that if you have pigmies and you have... You know, you know about the Hobbit people on island of Flores. No. You know about that? No. But they're Hobbit. Yeah, I think they call them homophluoreesis. And what these are is these little tiny ape -like humanoids that lived alongside people. I think they've dated them to 100 ,000 years ago. Might be earlier. At the one point in time, I think they thought it was 10 ,000 years ago, but I think they pushed it back.

2:02:35But these were like another branch of the human tree. And they were really tiny. And they used tools and they hunted. And they think that they're probably wiped out, at least partially.

2:02:50Homophluoresiensis. Floresiensis. And that's what they looked like. And they lived alongside us. So they think that might be a case of island dwarfism as well. You know, like there's a thing that happens to mammals when they're on islands where they get smaller. And weirdly enough reptiles get larger. That's why you have commoto dragons. Love them. Pretty cool, right? So there's homosapian and there's homophluoresis. Monster lizards. There's like a bunch of different types of humans that existed. And we were the most clever and the most vicious. And we went, ha ha. Far below the fittest. Yeah, and the smartest.

2:03:31We're the smartest. We're the ones that are the most clever. The calvarium, the size of the skull, as it got bigger. But the thing is, these ones that they found recently, see if you can find that article, the large headed people that they found recently, another totally new branch. They're large headed, larger than height is. Yeah, same height as ours, but larger heads, probably much stronger. They're like, you know, Neanderthals far stronger than us. Yeah, dubbed large headed people. Itting Madag group once lived alongside homosapians in eastern Asia. According to science alert, fossilized remains on earth from sediment layers dated about 200 ,000 years ago revealed individuals with disproportionately large cranial volumes.

2:04:11So see, click on that. Where they have images. It's December 2024, just last year. Yeah, real recent. Real recent, they found this or they've come out with this. I think they had images of what they look like, what they think they look like. Like someone did like a detailed, oh, large headed people, you get regular folks. He's... He's... He's regular folks. Unfortunately, big heads. I got him. Yeah, homo, Guli SSS. Yeah, yeah. So this is another branch. Look at the size of that fucker. Jacked. New humans. Yeah, wild. Big heads, larger heads and bigger brains. There you go. Bigger brains in us lived 200 ,000 years ago.

2:04:55It's funny because we have them like with like a stupid stone tool. Like maybe they were smart. Maybe we just fucking wiped them out. Look at the size of our heads though, Jesus Christ. Crazy. Look at that one there. It's got a six pack. You guys stand up. Look at the one downwards, walking like big foot, click on that. Yeah. This guy's jacked. Huge. Imagine running into that. I said, it's in the dark. Look at that. Yeah. Imagine running into that dude. No. Back in the dead. Yeah. That's probably why. Look at him stand there. Yo, baby photos are helping get us awesome. Yeah. Look at that. Yeah.

2:05:31How did you make that big? Look at that. Look at that. I'm cool. They end up in the Spanish. Bro, could you imagine walking through the jungle and running into these dudes like a bunch of them? Yo. What do you want? Look at imagine. There is so much more to be found. Well, just in our own history, right? The history of earth, the different forms of life that don't exist anymore. And there's so much variety that it really does make you wonder, what are we seeing? We're seeing these alien bones that they're x -raying. What are we seeing when people report that they're experiencing contact with these entities?

2:06:12Are they from another dimension? Are they from another planet? Is everybody crazy? Is everybody just making things up? Yeah. How do you account for all the people that I said that I've been taken? Yeah, it's very compelling. I've been taken. It's very compelling. But here's the question. Where they physically take them. Here's the question. The realm of dreams is a gigantic mystery. And the realm of dreams is hyper -realistic sometimes. I had a hyper -realistic dream last night. I wish I could remember what it was, but it's one of those things. It was crazy. But I got up at the middle of the night.

2:06:45It woke me up and then I got up to pee and I was like, what the fuck is wrong with me? And then I went back to sleep. But while I was experiencing that dream, I remember being aware that it was a dream eventually. But while it was all going down, I was like, this is a crazy dream. Like thinking like this is so vivid and so realistic. So if you live in a dream for the rest of your life, you are still alive. And you are still experiencing things. You're just experiencing things in a non -physical way, the way we interact with reality today. So you and I are interacting with reality with a couple glasses of whiskey, cigar.

2:07:23We have a wooden table. We're talking into microphones. But the reality that you interact with in dreams is, it's not tangible. It's existing. You're experiencing it. But it's in some other realm. It's some realm of the mind and some realm of consciousness. And maybe what you're doing is accessing a dimension of possibilities that is entirely created by consciousness. And maybe there's multiple layers to that and things can come from other places to us that way. It's always been interesting to me that these people that have these abduction experiences, it seems like the vast majority. And I've read Abducted, which is John Max Book and I'm aware of the Betty and Barney Hill story.

2:08:13And this is Travis Walton, the guy who got abducted in the Black and White couple. No, no, Betty and Barney Hill. Betty Barney Hill. Actually, Angela Hill, who's the granddaughter of them, is a UFC fighter. Oh, really? Yeah. She was on the podcast and didn't tell me that until after the podcast was over. I'm like, damn. Yeah. Was your grandfather? That's so crazy. Her grandfather was Barney Hill. But so these people all have very compelling stories. Now, the difference between Travis Walton's story and the other stories is people saw Travis Walton go up to that UFO. Travis Walton disappeared for five days.

2:08:49Travis Walton came back from being in the woods for five days with this crazy story. And the other people, most of them happens at night, right? And so when you're dreaming, who knows what the fuck is really happening? And if you're lying in bed and you get abducted by aliens and they return you to your bed, like, what really happened? Is there a video of you disappearing? Or if we had a video in that room, would you have this same experience but your physical body never goes anywhere? So like, what are you really experiencing? That's the question. And I'm not doubting that these people have something happened to them.

2:09:25But we do know that when people are dreaming, there's an endogenous release of psychedelic chemicals. There's this crazy experience of dreams and of vivid dreams and lucid dreams. So what is that? And if that is something that can be transverst, is that something that someone can enter into? Is it possible that other intelligence that's different than ours, that's more advanced than ours, that lives in a different dimension than ours, has access to the mind in these exchanges. Yeah, in the subconscious. Yeah, and maybe physically, I'm not even dismissing physical contact, but I'm just saying that many of these cases where people claim to have been abducted, happen at night.

2:10:10I don't think that is a coincidence. I think the realm of consciousness is, I think we're very arrogant in our belief that we understand what's going on, with how we interface with reality. No, we don't. We know we have conscious, because every time I come here, I'm pretty sure the same garbage is going to be on this table. It's going to be the same. But I don't think we're really sure with how consciousness interacts with the world and how much of it is real. I agree. In the subconscious space, the question is, is that when the extraterrestrials invades our space, our psychiatric space? And therefore, it gives to us in our brain the perception of everything that we perceive, meaning the alien, the...

2:11:03Maybe even bigfoot. What answer bigfoot is? But maybe that's what bigfoot is. But do you think so? Maybe. Maybe... That's some perception of unconscious. Maybe something you're experiencing that's from somewhere else. Or it's maybe it's your consciousness interacting with reality in a completely alien environment that is guaranteed to give you a heightened sense of anxiety, the woods at night. A lot of these people are experiencing these things in the woods at night. Maybe there's a level of consciousness you reach under those circumstances where you interact with things that you ordinarily cannot interact with.

2:11:38And maybe that's why there's a lack of physical evidence in our dimension. Like the physical evidence in our dimension is very limited. One thing that's compelling, and maybe the only thing that's compelling is dermal ridges that they find on these footprints. So they find these footprints in muck, like whether they step in mud and muck and stuff, and they leave behind... It's not just footprints, but footprints with dermal ridges like fingerprints, which is very difficult to fake, especially in the 1970s and the 1980s or some of these things were required. So it's like, I don't know what we're dealing with, but there's enough people that talk about that experience and it makes you pause.

2:12:17I don't believe, but I don't disbelieve. As far as bigfoot being an actual large ape that lives undisturbed in the Pacific Northwest, I'm very skeptical because there's too many hunters now. Too many people with cameras and too many camera traps. There's too many cell phone cameras, where the trail cameras snap things that are going by. Wildlife biologists use them. We know of a couple of jaguars that exist in the United States, and the reason why we know about them is because it's trail cameras. So the fact that there's zero trail camera footage that's... Yeah, the bigfoot thing is like maybe.

2:12:55But maybe you're interacting with something that's not physical. It might be something that's interdimensional or something that you might be looking at the past. You might be interacting with whatever experience this thing has had many, many, many, many years ago. It's like left echoes. It might be echoes in space and echoes in time and that under certain states, you can briefly access these echoes, briefly access these things that may have existed or might exist in other dimensions. I'm not ruling it out. I wouldn't bet the house on it. I wouldn't bet the house on it. But that sounds like...

2:13:41I do think there's a lot of bullshit artists too, though. I've talked to a lot of big people that are bullshit artists. The balance that obviously you're talking about is the fact that there are so many people who are trying to present the factual evidence that it exists, that causes you to doubt it. So, you know, I believe that there's a possibility of all the things that we talked about from bigfoot to aliens and so forth. But there's a tempered perception of it as being reality that it might be there, but we would rather deny it as opposed to accept it because what happens if you accept it as a 100 % truth?

2:14:25What is the mindset, John? Well, you can't accept it as a 100 % truth unless you have a 100 % evidence. Yeah, you want to have physical evidence, but we don't have it. So, you two believe in them? Pardon? You know who really believes in bigfoot? No. Jane Goodall. Oh, okay. Which is a girl. She's a girl, a lady. Yeah. Did she ever heard her talk about it? No, why does she believe in it? She believes from all the eyewitness sightings and the possibility and her time living with primates. So, if you can find Jane Goodall talking about it, because when she talks about it, she talks about it's great enthusiasm.

2:14:57It's really interesting. Enthusiasm with facts to back it up. Well, just the large number of people who have stated that they've seen it or experienced it or... I don't know. Yeah. One thing though is like when she was saying, this was quite a while ago, like more than a decade or two ago. And I think that, you know, over time, when there's still no evidence, people get more and more skeptical. I've talked to a bunch of people that have had bigfoot experiences. I don't necessarily believe any of them. I don't disbelieve them, but I'm like, there's not ones. I've talked to UFO abduction people, I believe them.

2:15:33I believe them. You believe them? Yeah, I believe Travis Walton. I talked to that guy. He does not seem like a bullshit artist and he hasn't changed his story in like, fucking 30 years. That's a big foot. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. Every 14 talks to me. I would, I'm romantic. I would like bigfoot to exist. I've met people who swear they've seen bigfoot. And I think the interesting thing is, every single continent, there is an equivalent of bigfoot or Sasquatch. There's the Yeti, there's the Yari in Australia, there's the Chinese wild man, and on and on and on. And, you know, I've had stories from people who you have to believe them.

2:16:13So there's something. I don't know what it is. I've always opened -minded. What about a... Yeah. Oppositely, mythological. I guess I should say like the Lochness Monster. Lochness Monster obviously doesn't exist. Alien being. Alien being, which is the universe? I don't. I think that it doesn't make sense to think where the only intelligent form of life. This wall that was built between us where just the only really intelligent capable of this that and the other. Difference in kind between us and the other animals. That wall is broken down, and the chimps help to break it down. Do you... The chimps help to break it down?

2:16:54Well, her experience with chimps, you know, she's been embedded with chimps. Yeah. Ah, I don't... I definitely don't not believe, I'd like to say, I don't disbelieve. It's not like aliens aren't real. You have phones aren't real, it's all lies. All the people are lying. I don't think that at all. I think the... I think reality is weird. I think it's weirder than our senses or capable of detecting. That's what I think. Absolutely. I tend to be more on the side that they exist until you prove that they don't exist. You know what's really weird is underwater aliens. Underwater extraterrestrials or underwater...

2:17:31Oh, the cities. UAPs. Yeah. I don't know about cities or cities under there. Yeah, cities where they have their spaceships. At the trenches in the trenches? Yeah. I don't have never seen any data. Yeah. But I have seen that's the point. There's videos to see it. Things moving underwater at very high rate to speed. In fact, some of the whistleblowers, and again, how much that's real. But some of the whistleblowers from the government have claimed that they have detected things underwater that are enormous, like the size of a football field and they're moving 500 knots underwater, which no visible means of propulsion.

2:18:08Correct. They think that this is where they hide and plain sight. They just exist in the water. So those videos that have come out recently of the Navy aid creators who have chased UFOs that have gone into the water and they've seen these large reflections under the water of huge spaceships and so forth. I haven't heard any of like... I've heard there was the Commander David Fraver, the Tick -Tack event where there was this thing that was like 20 foot wide. It looked like a Tick -Tack. And they think there was something under it in the water. There was a disturbance that looked like, you know, like an underwater submarine that's emerging or reaching the top of the surface.

2:18:51And then when they were flying near it, it went down. And then there's been other people, other pilots that have actually seen large physical crafts in the water. But again, I've never seen any photos that are compelling. So the chasing of the UAP... That's fascinating. Yeah, yeah. Is that real or is that... Well, that wasn't chased. What do they call them? What do they call them? Extra -medium and intermedium. Transmedium. They call them transmedium. Transmedium. Which means they can fly in the air and they can fly through the water. They have seen things dunk into the water. They have video of one, but it's very grainy.

2:19:30It's very grainy night vision, thermal vision of this thing, dunking into the water. And then they don't know what happened. And then it came out of the water. It was flying around again. They don't know what the fuck that is. They're just guessing. And looking at the physics of it, the fact that it was able to do a 90 degree change in motion. Oh, yeah. And then down into the water and then coming up. How do they count for that? You don't... Yeah. Oh, they're really crazy. One is the Tick -Tack. Because the Tick -Tack, they have a bunch of different types of data. They have, first of all, the pilots who saw it, they have the video from the pilots cabins.

2:20:04They have this radar footage that track this thing going from above 50 ,000 miles to 50 feet in like one second. They don't know how the fuck anything can do that. And then it takes off when they video it, this thing taking off from their visual, from their recording, their screens. It takes off at such an insane rate of speed. They said anything biological will be just returned to jelly instantly. Kill. Because the G -Force is insane. It's just insane rates of speed. And no visible means of a pulsion. It does it from a completely stationary perspective. And then just takes off. Yeah. They've talked about the fact that those unidentified flying objects they go into a different dimension.

2:20:50And dimension as well. Maybe a down -to -dementia too. Yeah, dementia. They're in a state of dementia. Yeah, this is the water. Yeah. So look how grainy this is. It's like, what am I looking at? So the fact that it's grainy means what? Well, they're just looking at it from a long distance. Long distance with aircraft, you know. So optics. So these are weapon optics, right? So grainyness means it's less dark out. Yeah. Well, it's dark out. And this is how they're seeing this thing. And then it just goes into the water. And then if you hear it, you hear the recording. Hear the recording, Jamie. Yeah.

2:21:22Listen to them freak out when it. Yeah, they're freaking splashed. Right into water. Yeah. So the thing went into the water. Yes. And then also went out of the water. Yeah. But the thing is how many of these things are hours? Not zero. How many of these things? Like, have you ever seen that underwater drone that the United States has developed? No, I have a fucking cool. It looks like a UFO. It looks like a UFO that flies underwater. It goes underwater. It's not, I don't think it goes above the water. I think it only goes underwater. But it looks like a spaceship. Yeah. But with the rate of acceleration and the ability to change direction, you know, those are the things that are in the reality, in the real world, you know, the physics behind it, as you said, everyone, if it went in that rate of a cent or decent and movement, it would kill everybody inside.

2:22:17Right. Momentum. Yeah. But then the question is like, what is it doing? Is it actually experiencing G -force at all? Because if it's some sort of a gravity propulsion device, it might be experiencing no G -force. Right. And it might be just pushing space out of the way as it moves forward. We don't understand. Yeah. That's like, do we have that technology? It's a good question. Yeah. It's a good question. If we have that technology, then it explains it all. Yeah. But the question is, as long as we don't acknowledge the fact that we're at that level of technology, then you have to account for, where's it coming from?

2:22:50Right. There's definitely a lot of questions. I mean, I definitely don't claim to have any answers. Yeah. What is this one? But it's cool. I mean, it's a ray thing. Oh, yeah. What is this? Look at this. This is the one that goes. This is a drone that we developed. It's like a Manta ray drone. Yeah. It's really cool up in. It's really cool up in. Well, it's also mini. It's pretty big. Is it? But look at it. It looks like a fucking UFO that goes under the water. And it flies through the water. And also, like, what are we looking for? Are we looking for foreign subs? Or are we looking for aliens?

2:23:23Both. I wonder. Yeah. I wonder. I wonder. That's, imagine if they knew some stuff was under the ocean and they don't want to tell anybody, because they don't want to freak people out. Duh. Yeah. Duh. Yeah. I've seen articles where it talks about cities, communities underneath the ocean and the, not centuries fault, was that fault line called, not the fault, the, uh... It's out of California? No, no, no, no. The deepest, uh... Mariana Trench. The Mariana Trench. Yeah. Are there cities down there? What are, what, what, the websites are reading? I think I know what it's all good. You know what I'm talking about?

2:23:59Yeah, I'm not doing, you're saying, Silasignment, no, or I began or Raiwaska. Just normal. Just normal. I haven't heard anything about cities in the Mariana Trench. Jamie, have you heard anything about cities? Yeah, look it up. Um... You know, I know I'm headed on the city to channel. I haven't smoked anything or taken any pills, okay? You've been drinking whiskey since... That's nothing. Come on. You've been quite a bit of that whiskey, so... Nah. Nothing. That's a lot. Glutathion. Yeah, I don't know if it totally helps. You sound a little hammered. You think? Yeah, give me another one and glue the thions.

2:24:31You need another one? Okay. How many have you got? Yeah, how many have you taken? I took one early this morning and just took another one because I figured we'd finish the bottle. Jesus, you with the finishing the bottle? That's gonna, you're gonna die from that? No. Nick who's sitting outside, he and I sit down and we'll drink a bottle. Yeah. You know, over a period of about four hours. You might wanna go to a... A .A. meeting. Uh, you think? Ha ha ha ha. Been there. What is the, um, Mariana Trench cities all about? No, it's not to Mariana. It's one of the trenches that are out there in the world.

2:25:06Just Google Trench? Yeah, underwater. I love work. You're a fool. Yeah, that's a good one. You're gonna go right to Reddit. Yeah. You know what? We've been on this, on this discussion about bears and, uh, Mariana Trench and, uh, UFOs and abductions and so forth. Fun stuff. Yeah, it's, you know, it reminds me of 438 where we were talking about every fuck thing. I mean, you blew me out of the water with that. I'll tell you the truth. We were there for three and a half hours on the first one. And when I left the city because I thought it was in Woodland Hills. Right. I thought it was only supposed to be like 30 minutes or so.

2:25:41Oh, yeah. Yeah. But I left and I sat in my car for an hour to recuperate from that first visit with you. It was just way beyond us. Yeah. If there really are things that are monitoring us and checking us out, it makes sense. Yeah. If the, if life exists and it's more advanced than us somewhere else, whether it's in another dimension or whether it's in another planet, it completely makes sense to me that they would visit us. Yeah. They would see how fucked up we are in terms of nuclear weapons. Sure. And if we're on a path, a predictable path of evolution that almost all intelligent life goes on, there's probably going to be pitfalls that they could help us navigate.

2:26:25I would think so. I would hope so. Right. Like if Jane Goodall studying the chimps, like let's imagine they're still studying the chimps 500 years from now, a thousand years from now, a hundred thousand years from it. Let's imagine civilization still exists. Chimps still exists. We've protected it. We've done a smart thing. And they still, what if they start making tools? Whether they start making weapons, what if they eventually start going to war with each other? What if one chimp figures out gunpowder? What if they brains keep growing like ours allegedly did? Sounds like us. Yeah. Right. Imagine if we were observing emerging intelligence in other primates.

2:26:59How would we handle it? Like how would we handle it if all the sudden chimpanzees, not all of a sudden, hundreds of thousands of years now, trim? What would our future society do if in the future chimpanzees start developing weapons and buildings and planes and doing all the shit that we do when we're far more advanced than that then? Is that a planet of the apes? Well, it's not because like you would think that they would become a different thing. You know, they would become like we did, right? Like we used to be Australopithecus. We used to be all these different hominids. What if they eventually become like more hairless?

2:27:33They start wearing clothes. It would be fucking real interesting to see how you human beings would handle that. You know, like what would we do a million years from now if hominids kept advancing down an evolutionary plane? Right. And they eventually got to a place where they were like ancient humans. How would we do? I mean, if we were like super advanced like, oh, you guys can't go to war. Don't war. We stopped war a while ago. You guys need brain chips. Brain chips stopped the war. Control. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. Well, I mean, it is interesting because like what's different between us and any other people that have ever lived is that we've figured out a way to optimize your health in a very substantial way.

2:28:17In the past, someone who was my age, I'm 57, someone who was my age, your body's probably broken. You know, your body is probably like beaten down. Your hormones are dead. You know, you're probably like real tired all the time. You know, and I'm not, you know, and because of vitamins and hormones and all the different things that I do to keep my body healthy and exercise. We live in a different time. And because of that, you stay vital. You have vitality much longer than anyone ever did before. So you can explore things and you have more curiosity and energy for thought more than anybody ever has before.

2:28:55Yeah. With the. Wow. All right. Yeah. You do CPR. Nope. Good. He does it. Jamie practice every night with different. He does. Yeah, I can imagine. No. One of the greatest fallacies is that as we age, we don't need to do anything to reinfigure our body. Right. Supplements are very important. Hormones are key exercise. Exercise important because of, as I said about the brain to write neurotrophic factor, you can increase it to improve brain. This guy out of the USC, calip, fench, calip, fench, who talked about. He believed that the reason for why we age and we die is because we lose our hormones in our brain.

2:29:49And therefore extremely important. Or it's a Scotch. Yeah, there it is. That's what you need more of that. No, I need to clear the throat. Look at that. I got my voice back. Yeah. So in, as you said, you're 57 years of age. I'm 72 years of age. And I think the reason why I'm at 72 with the level of clarity and functionality aside from my back is the fact that I've always, I've 30 years I've been in a hormone replacement, neuters, pseudicals, getting in good vitamins, so forth. Because our body loses it over the course of time. And you need to keep replacing it and the people who are listening to this have to might understand that you need to supplement.

2:30:32You need to be proactive on your quality of health. Otherwise you start losing it. And exercise not just for that, but also just to maintain your physical presence, right, your strength, your bone density. At my age, people say I still have my pecs. I still have my trimminess and fitness. I don't know about general energy. Do you still do martial arts anymore? No, I stopped doing the martial arts. What I do in place of martial arts is I dig holes in what we talked about that before. And put plants in. It's hard. It's hard where the holes. Digging holes is hard work. Yeah, I remember one time you sent me an email, it said, be careful because I was using a big pike to cut holes in the ground.

2:31:12But I ended up with lemons and make lemon cello, pomegranates, make pomegranates, wine and so forth. I was just going to trend here. Yeah. And I said, I said, you sound calm quads. Did you ever get the calm quads? I did. Did you eat them? Yes, I did. Okay. High and vitamin C a lot of. Comquads are really good for you. Yeah. Much more high and vitamin C apparently than even oranges. Orange is right. Every morning I have three of them. That's great. Three of them and it's great. Do you take liposomal vitamin C as well? I take liposomal. I take liposomal vitamin C. C, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I take that stuff too.

2:31:52That's such a great thing too if you're sick is a high dose intravenous vitamin C. It's a big one. IV. Yeah, IV. Yeah. I had a skeptical friend of mine who dismisses all kinds of quackery. He was real sick with the flu. He couldn't get over it for weeks and I told him, listen man, I'm going to hook you up. Do this. Get IV zinc and vitamin C and high dose vitamin C and B12 and he was better immediately. He said 24 hours later because couldn't kick this fucking flu. He said I had it for two weeks. In 23 years I've been six, 16 days. That's amazing. That's it. I never got a, well, let me be honest.

2:32:33I got COVID for 12 hours. 12 hours? 12 hours. Tested twice positive for COVID. It was a Wednesday. Let's see, it was a Wednesday. I think we were having yum kipper. No, we were having a pesa, pesa, Passover. And I got sick that night and 24 hours later, no symptoms. That's amazing. Nothing. Cursotin, zinc, a little Ivermectin. You know. That's crazy. You shouldn't talk about that publicly. No, I shouldn't. Yeah, Ivermectin. Ivermectin. Horrible shit. We're gonna talk about it now. Oh, good. Now, you know, fucking people are taking it. Yeah. I think I sent you the Ivermectin paper with Ivermectin Thumbin dissolve.

2:33:15I have a 76 year old veteran who was diagnosed with a Gleason 7. You know, Gleason is a grade of cancer of the prostate and it was a Gleason 7. He went on 12 milligrams of Ivermectin every day for eight weeks and at 12 weeks, he got a PET scan done, a special PET scan done looking at abnormalities in the prostate. They couldn't find anything. That's amazing. And his PSA prosthetic specific engine when he came when his initial one with the cancer was 12 .6, he's now at 5 .3. Is that your phone? I don't know. What does this cell phone sound like? Sounds like that. It does. What do you think about all the people that are very, yeah, you had a Samsung phone.

2:33:59Oh, it's definitely original. Significant. Is that a Google phone or a Samsung phone? Google. You like that? Yeah, I'd like it. They keep on trying to get me out of the first grade, the first generation into the seventh. But until it dies, I use it. Right or die, huh? Yeah. I don't like the software they put in there. Google just gave me the new Pixel 9 XL Pro. It was sick. And then they gave me the Pixel Fold as like a gift when I went to the inauguration thing. Yeah, it's pretty sick. Oh, you were there. Yeah, I wouldn't. Oh, the fold seems crazy. I've been addicted enough to watch YouTube videos on a regular phone.

2:34:34I need a fucking tablet. I take. Have you seen what Huawei's made? Huawei, they're banned in America because they're too awesome. And also they spy on you. But Huawei has developed a threefold. And apparently Samsung is going to come out with one next year. It's a threefold though. It literally comes out to like a 10 inch tablet. It's great. And it's very thin. Wow. Look at this. Wow, yeah, I saw it. I saw it. That's a threefold. That's the threefold. That's the Huawei threefold. Yeah. And super thin, amazing cameras. They were so advanced. I was trying to get a Porsche design Huawei phone. They were working with, you know, Porsche design makes a bunch of things.

2:35:14They make like watches and sunglasses. They don't just make cars like Porsche designs like a separate entity of Porsche. And Porsche design work with Huawei to me like the ultimate cell phone. And I was ready to buy it because I'm a dork. You know, I'm really into technology. Yeah. And I was like, oh, that thing's crazy. Let me get it. And I think I had a hundred mega pixel phone camera on the phone. And this is a while ago. And a 500 millimeter amp, 5000 milliamp battery, which was also crazy. But then they banned Huawei products in America. So you can't get that trifold back door right to the CCP.

2:35:47Yeah, allegedly, but it isn't tick tock too. Like it's in all these things. There's a lot of back doors. A lot of data getting scooped up. Yeah, my cybersecurity people keep on telling me don't use zoom because it back doors into the CCP. Oh boy. Yeah. That's great. So I haven't used it. So I use Microsoft. The fucking you use. Yeah. I don't trust anybody anymore. No, I'm scared. I'm there with you. Scared of all of it. But I think it's all inevitable. And I think I think if you look at the what's going on, like in terms of like what's the direction that technological progress moves us into? Well, it's the direction seems of more and more connectivity, which means less and less privacy.

2:36:29So we're going to have to work that out because when quantum computers can crack all in coding, it's like any encryption that exists, quantum computing is going to crack all that. So you're not going to have real encryption anymore. So like what happens with Bitcoin and digital currency? What happens with all that stuff? What happens with your bank account? I don't know. Yeah. We're weird times. Yeah. One of the things that scared me was in the Wi -Fi. They now could go back and using AI, use the transmitted wave form to see who's in a room. Yeah. Yeah. You saw that. Yeah. Accurate. 3D representations of the people moving around.

2:37:08Yeah. So I turned off all my Wi -Fi extenders. It's all so crazy. It's just like we're living in an ultra -surveiled world. And I think the good news is that the new government is emphasizing privacy and freedom of speech. And the other government was emphasizing cracking down on what they called misinformation and disinformation and more control of what you say and do and where you go. And the way to get more control is more invasive technology. And that's what scares the shit out of me. Is people? It's not necessarily the technology. It's people taking advantage of the technology in order to have more control of the population which makes their job easier.

2:37:46Yeah. That's the reason why I only use my cell phone when I travel. Otherwise, I don't use it. People call me and say, were you? Is that how you use my cell phone? Good for you. It's off all the time. My friend Adam Curry, he has, he's a super paranoid. Maybe, maybe not, maybe not paranoid. Maybe super aware of like digital surveillance and all that stuff. So he has a D -google phone. He has a phone that doesn't have Google on it. And it's, what are those, what's that operating system that they use for that stuff? Do you remember Jamie? Just and your friend Musk have a phone that's coming up? No.

2:38:22I just asked him the other day. He said, no. We were talking the other day at the inauguration. I was saying, dude, every other day I get an article about a Tesla phone. He was laughing. I hope we don't have to make a phone. Because what he said, I hope we don't have to make a phone. He was very difficult to make a phone. But whoever is promoting it, that's it. Graphene OS. So graphene is D -google phone. So they take these pixels and they D -google them and they put this graphene OS, which is a completely different operating system. And then you have another phone called the unplugged phone that, yeah, that's it.

2:39:00And so they use these things and they work just like a regular phone. And you can get them where they don't have 5G because some people think 5G is bad for them. No, I still work off a 3 and 4. And I don't update the software because updating the software gives them more access to you. I got to go again. Well, let's just wrap it up. We're at 4 o 'clock. Mark Gordon, I love you to death. You're an awesome guy. I appreciate you very much. So I always good to see you. Thank you for all your research and all the work you do and spread information and knowledge. I really appreciate it. I appreciate the fact that you've supported me over all these years and the work that we do with our veterans.

2:39:38And they've been receiving the benefits of the work that we've done. And you know, stopping the suicide is the goal for the Millennium Health Centers. That's it. Yeah, and tell everybody the website so they can find it. The educational one is www .tv. I think you have to say www. I don't have any say. No, no, no, no. How about WQ? You just type in the TVI help now. TVIhelp .org. That is www .tv .org. And then is Warrior Angel Foundation still? Warrior Angels Foundation is there, but they've melded into, yeah. This is improved by fixing the root causes. Yeah, this is Biohack yourself and I'll give them in and on it.

2:40:19The family called Lolligroup. And if you were in Washington for the inauguration, the Biohack group, which is the Lolligroup, which is Anthony and Teresa Lollig. They're the ones who put together Biohack yourself, which has been picked up by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as being their representative for media because they're, he trusts them because all they want to do is get the science out there that's real, not the bullshit that's been thrown at us. So they've been pulled in and there were 32 of us quote experts is what they call us who participated in this program. So what they're doing is really cool because it's presenting the science behind what you have already experienced with us and what I continue to promote for brain health, for well being and longevity, anti -aging.

2:41:16Beautiful. Okay. All right. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We'll be back. Buddy. Yeah.