#2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

26:11I'm like, what are you talking about? We go to the jungle to study a frog. You know, like, of course they would come here. We're so strange. And we protect the turtles in that one little area that EPA says, oh, no, you can't mess with those turtles. Yeah, imagine Elon gets to Mars and we do find life there. And we'd be so interested to figure out how it works. What makes it tick? You know, they believe they found actual water on Mars, not frozen water now. Yeah, on the poles. Yeah, I heard about that. That's nuts. Is there actual water in there? And they can find something in that water that's alive.

26:44But if we don't, if we're going to expand out into the universe, which is what Elon must says, the fact that we don't have to bring water with us, that's huge. Brian, drink in Mars water. I don't drink tap water and I definitely drink in Mars water. It could be better than that. Imagine if it's like filled with crazy minerals, you drink a glass of Mars water and you just feel incredible. And then we have to ship Mars water from Mars back to LA. That's a war right there. That's a war right there. People are going to be like, how come they have it we don't? Right, there'll be water wars. What if Mars water just makes you go back in time?

27:18You look 20 again. Yeah. You know, I mean, who knows what the fuck's in that water? I don't know. But those are the kind of things you write though that that's kind of how we are. It's that we're very curious about what's on that planet. Yeah. How we can utilize the resources that are there like the water or everything else. And we're going to learn some stuff. And we're going to take a long time. What I'm really curious about is what was Mars like before it lost its atmosphere. Me too. And was there a time a few billion years ago where Mars was like Earth? You know, and it's to be what people are seeing.

27:48That's the craziest of all theories, right? And the most interesting. But if, you know, Earth still exists five billion years from now and now it's cold and dead and there's nothing. How much would be left? How much is left after a couple of billion years? You know, what is really left over? What does it look like? Does it look like Mars? Because Mars looks completely desolate. But we know that Mars had water. And we know Mars had a warmer climate. So it kind of just assumed there was something growing there. Yep. What does it look like a couple of billion years later? Probably like Mars. Yeah.

28:25Which is great. If we do find out that Mars at one point in time housed biological life or maybe there's microbial life or something like that, that still exists on Mars, just the climate is so harsh it can't advance past that stage. That alone would just change our whole view of the universe itself. Because then we would start to consider, okay, maybe this isn't just this one thing that happened. Maybe the Fermi paradox is just that we don't have the ability to detect all these things that are right there. Or maybe they really do pass by and keep their doors closed. Can't walk. Right, we're fucking shooting fireworks in 4th of July.

28:59We're nuts. We're the craziest species on this planet. By far, everything else is normal. Everything else just kills what it wants to eat. Everything else, you know, does normal stuff. They fight over resources, but that kind of makes sense biologically. Honestly, after my experience in the program, I found that it seems the more I think about it, the more that they are very much like us in a lot of ways. But they have probably a world government that we do not have. In other words, they can get along in their own society much better than we can in their former government is not broken up. I think if you branch out into the solar system and then into the galaxy, like as you start spreading out, if you do become some sort of an interstellar species, you kind of have to be united as a planet.

29:45Right? You got to go, look all this bullshit about this country and that country. Let's let it go. Let's let it go. I mean, I don't want one world government because I don't trust the government. But if I did trust the government, I'd be like, one world government is the way to go. Everybody should have the same resources. Everybody should have the same access to healthy food and water and cleaned air. It should be the same for everybody. It shouldn't be that you can make an iPhone in China because they can make it for 15 cents because people are working like slaves. Exactly. It shouldn't be like that.

30:13It should be like the whole world has the same rules. But the problem is you can't trust the government. So what do you do? Well, if you get to a point where everybody is so advanced that we don't have all of the same greed. And the lust and all the bullshit that ruins human society. If aliens get to that point, then it only makes sense that they would operate as a planet. But then they would have like their interest in ahead of these fuckers on that other planet. So, you know, like those lines, it's those things that you talked about. Those are the things that inherently make us human. Push that question a little closer to it.

30:47Sorry. The hand moves. You can push it if you want to sit back. Those are the things that inherently make us humans. So the question would be depending on what we're trying to child you're thinking about. What inherently makes them them and how compatible are we and what we're looking at? Because those could be some of the things that attract them to us or detract them away from us. What I'm interested in is, are there things just like us? Is this like, if you, you know, like there's similar plants that exist in similar ecosystems all over the world where ideally, the seeds have never been able to get back and forth.

31:24But they're similar. And at least in some ways. It's just a matter of climate, resources, these plant over millions and millions of years, the same kind of plants grow. Similar kind of animals. There's rats all over the place. There's a pattern to it. Yeah, there's a pattern. At atomic level, there's a way that things occur naturally and they form different things. So a bird, I agree. I think when I talked about it the first time we spoke on the phone is that, yeah, there probably is a bird kind of looks like a bird on another part of the universe. But maybe it has, you know, two sets of wings, right or two heads or something.

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33:20I mean, you can get a sparrow, you can get a fucking eagle or a condor. There's so many different kinds of birds, too. But I wonder, is this the only kind of way life evolves or are there planets that are just radically different that are planet and life forms in a completely different way? I would think that that's true, also, is that there's exceptions to the rule, just like there are here on earth that we've got some really strange creatures that roam around like people are starting to say, Octopi and stuff, they don't fit the normal way that things evolve around the earth and stuff around.

33:52And there's no bones there, so, you know, you're not going to find any fossils anywhere. Yeah. But if you think about some of the things that we're being told now, 99 % of all life that lived before is all gone now. Right. So if this is what's left, maybe some of those unique things that were out there, there's something similar because one of the things that I ponder is there's got to be some grand design because when we see these aliens, whether they talk about it's a gray, it's a Nordic, it's a draconian or if it's a mantis, they're all standing upright. So is that a part of the grand design that is intelligent as you get further up the food chain, you start to stand on your two legs and whatever.

34:40And then I think about if it's a mantis, whatever, how do they build their ships if they don't really have opposable thumbs and, you know, those are the things that were always taught. Well, these are the things that make us unique as humans and we can build things and that's why the other animals didn't, you know, the only other animal out there is what the chimpanzee of the gorilla or something primates. But obviously nature finds a way and it's not human nature. It's something other type nature and they do something else. Well, it could be genetic engineering too. It could be the day they reach some point where they say, well, what's the best structure for a body?

35:18Well, a mantis structure way better than a person structure. We break so easy mantis are insanely strong. Every time a mantis catch a hummingbird at a feeder, it's nuts, man. You're taking out tarantulas and scorpions. They're so little and they just snatch that fucker up and he can't move. Like if you looked at them, like the hummingbirds probably four times heavier, at least, probably more than that. And he's just like, it's like that design, the exoskeleton design is superior. In terms of like durability. And also lobsters and crabs and all these kind of insects like that. Do mantis regrow limbs?

35:57Let's find that out. All I know is that like crabs do. And no crabs can. Yeah. Lobsters and crabs all I think of them as just armored spiders. Yeah. Yeah. Their bugs. And if you think about when they said that the oxygen level was at 30, 35 % and some other stuff, they're saying some of these spiders were the size of small dogs. I'm like, yeah, that's not a place I'd like to live. So they can. So praying mantis undergo incomplete metamorphosis sometimes. If their cage is too dry, a mantis may have trouble shedding old skin. We'll lose a limb in the process of molting. If it happens, it's possible for a mantis to regrow the lost limb, but only when they molt again.

36:32Oh, okay. So they molt again and then they regrow that limb. But they do regrow the limb. They regenerate limbs as long as there's at least a coxa remaining, whatever that is. They won't regenerate right away. And maybe a tiny nub and then they molt, I guess. Wow. That makes sense because the harder shell would prevent that limb from continuing to grow. But it just seems like that's a superior form of a structure. So if you get to the point where technology is all done with the mind, right, we've developed artificial intelligence and quantum computing and the being has been generated over genetic engineering to the point where it no longer has to have sex to recreate new versions of itself.

37:14And so instead, the way they procreate is they do it through design. And maybe they say, look, it doesn't matter what you look like anymore. No one's fucking, let's all become mantis. That's a good point. Like this soft shit on the outside, like we're built. We're like fucking water balloons. We're so vulnerable. You'd better be, wouldn't it be better if you're hard on the outside? And we don't need to use your fingers and thumbs and we do everything on our mind. I mean, if it gets to the point, like this was the thing that I've heard about people that have supposedly worked on crafts is that one of the most remarkable things is that there's no gears, there's no levers to turn, there's no buttons, there's no controls.

37:59That everything is done somehow or another where the being and the craft are won. Yes, yes, consciously. I've had discussions about that. Have you talked to anybody that has said that any of the crafts have controls in them? No, I've heard it. Basic controls? Well, I was talking to Jack Sir Faudi about it. There was a craft that did have some place where the hands were in there, but it was only to do some minor adjustments for the craft is what he was describing and other people have described. That's what I was going to say there's just all I've heard is that there's been two places for you to put your hands and maybe for other parts of the crew, but that's about it.

38:45Maybe that's how you don't use your phone. You don't get distracted, just use your hands. Put your hands down on the thing. So there's no one else in there that is not talking around. Maybe they have something similar to like cell phone addiction. So they put in their hands on the thing. Wasn't that what Lazar said as well? Did he say there was something similar to that? Yes, he did. No controls. And somehow or another putting your hand on it syncs you up and then they're just using their mind. Correct. Did they try to explain how this was developed? There's a lot of people that are looking into it now.

39:22And they're starting to see that yes, it's possible. And I think that's again, some of the new whistleblowers can shed some more light on to how this happens. And I think we need to hear a little bit more about these folks that came forward about the psionics team. And what exactly is this meditation? What are they linking up with? Does it feel mechanical? Does it feel like an entity? Because you know, we hear Jake talk about his experiences. He had a really spiritual experience with one of these things. While he was carrying it to the next place, he was literally crying in the interview. This is that egg looking thing.

39:55Well, he called it the egg gone, I think, craft. That one was the one he had a spiritual. Eight gone. Eight gone, like a hexagon, but it has eight sides, or octagon. I think would be the actual term. But he said it had like an eight sided kind of a disc. So this is not the thing we're talking about. And not the other one. This is a different one. A different one. So he encountered a different one. Yeah, okay. I didn't see that interview. Yeah, well, the detailed one, I think you can pull that one out of there. But he mentioned that that one, he had like a real no kidding. And it was beautiful.

40:28And he cried about it because it was so beautiful of an experience. Wow. And I have a question about all those things, because if they can get into our minds, my thing is that how do you know that that's not what they're putting into your head? Because like what they experienced at a skateboard branch when they saw the creature on the top floor, they said as they approached it, they started feeling fear. And as they approached it further, the fear just kept intensifying to the point where it was like a physical change in the temperature. So if someone can put fear into you, why can't they put love into you and all these different things?

41:08And I'm not saying that it's not genuine. But part of being on the task force, you have to question everything. Well, we can do that to each other. Yes. You know, we can do that to each other through threats. We can put fear into people. We can do that. You know, there's a crazy documentary called Holy Hell. And it's about this guy who was a cult leader. And one of the things that he would do to these people, he was a hypnotist too. But one of the things that he would do to these people, he called it the knowing. And he would put his hands on them and they would say that they would experience God.

41:40They had to be prepared for it. It was a thing that was very difficult to get. He had to prove you for it and all these people wanted it and they never got it. It was like a thing he held over your head. And then when he actually did it. Even though this guy turned out to be a complete fraud and the cult disbanded, all those people talk about that moment when they had that experience with that guy and they say it really happened. Because the human mind is weird, right? And if a person can do that to you by touching you, it just makes sense that some like super advanced being would say like, what is the best feeling that I could give to this primitive entity that's studying me to let me know, like, don't blow me up, don't fuck with me.

42:20One hundred percent. And this is the best expression that you can have in life. What is the best expression you have in life? Is love, pure love. It's just pure, just untethered love. It would make sense. It would put that in you so that you would protect this thing. And that may be part of it. And I think that's what their desire is. Just like we, you know, would try to put our best foot forward if we knew that we were similarly being scrutinized. Sure. You know, we'd want to do that. Well, we visit uncontacted tribes to give them free food. Yeah, but we're here for you guys. But see, that's where my fear is.

42:55That's why I came forward is that I was hearing stuff that actually brought concern. That, you know, in the way I kind of packaged that up is that the military happens to be unfortunately the face of human kind here in this situation. It comes to the program because it's definitely not the public. We're just, you know, apparently having people come forward with, I got abducted where I saw this and I saw that. But in the military, that seems to be where there is an interface going on. Right. And I'm just wondering is that too heavy handed because they're not seeing the full human. Right. They're only seeing the military human.

43:32Right. And that's why I'm kind of took the tact I did instead of going through all the other channels. This is, I just was like, let me try something new. Let me talk to the people. I get to know the people what they feel about this. And I'll just tell my story. Whatever happens happens. Yeah, I took some spears. But, you know, most of the most part people are ready for this. People of peel definitely want it. Whether they're ready for it. We'll find out if it actually becomes bigger and more profound than what we've currently experienced. Yeah, I got, I got asked the question and they said if you were going to go to Congress and say, here's what we need to know about the UAP experience.

44:07What would you tell everybody? That's a good question. And my answer was we don't need you anymore because so many groups now have caught on that if they attune themselves to whatever it is, they can talk to these things directly themselves. Now, whether it's good or bad, but because of the badness that has transpired over the years, more and more people of like you, you said, you don't trust the government. There's people, they don't trust the government all in this other thing. So they're like, let's reach out by ourselves. You've got people doing, you know, RV and out of the body experience and all that other stuff.

44:45You've got people that are being contacted directly. So now they're trying to say things. And also, too, we're evolving. So as we're evolving and other things start happening, you have to start questioning, why do we need the government in the middle of this? Please don't take this the wrong way because people get angry. It's kind of like the Catholic Church. I was always told, if you want to talk to God, you talk to God. But then why do I need a priest? Right. So the government's always been the middleman. So do we really still need him? So when you're saying that all these people have figured out these methods, how to communicate with the aliens, what you're talking about is like people sitting down, this is something I'm hearing a lot lately, sitting down and supposedly summoning them, putting out like an intention and that they will come.

45:39Yes. Does that happen with you? You ever try it? I haven't, yeah. So why wouldn't you try it? If you think that's real. I tell everybody I'm black and I'm afraid of the wool. Okay. But at some point, I know I'm going to have to embrace it because it is part of the experience. So like I'm good friends with Travis Taylor. And when we first started talking, he was like, okay, I'd like to talk to you about coming out to the ranch. You and some of your friends, your intel guys. And we talked about it. And then I kind of put it up in the room and said, hey guys, if we had a chance to go out to the ranch, who would go?

46:19And all the white people put their hands up right away. And all the black people were like in the corner going, now let's think about this. And then they were actually asking. And I sat in and I go, why is it that we're so reserved about going? And I remember something that someone told me was, when the wool happens, you embrace it. But you don't run towards it because that whatever that experience is, it was probably meant for somebody else. And now you're interfering when you run towards it. Right. So if you summon the UFO, like if they come to visit you, that's meant to happen to you. But if you're summoning them, yes, you may be, you really want that in your life.

47:00Also, like what do you, I mean, people say that yeah, if I could, if I could experience UFO contact, I would. Well, would you really? Because that might fuck up the whole rest of your life. Like what if it does happen? And then it never happens again. And then you have a wife and kids and a house. And you just sit in your fucking living room trying to pay attention to this football game. What are you thinking about? I've seen a fucking alien. I've seen UFOs. They've come down and communicate with me telepathically. I know they're real, they're real. Yeah. Well, it would ruin your whole life. Remember that, remember that movie with Ben Af, like I think it was called like chasing Amy.

47:36And chasing Amy. I remember the name. I don't remember a movie. There was not that Amy. No, but there was something that was said in there that always made me think. After you have a first experience in this particular case, there was talking about your first orgasm. You're always chasing after that first best feeling that you ever had. You're never, you're never going to get there, but you're chasing it. They talk, they talk to you about heroin too. Yes. You call it chasing the dragon. Yes. So, so if you're one of those people that had a really profound experience with a creature from another world.

48:09Yeah. You can't really explain it to everybody else. So, you're looking for something else to make it seem real. Because you start questioning everything that you know. And that's, that's what I was. My first experience was when I was a kid in England. And me and the friend were just throwing a ball back and forward. And you know, in the old days people used to wrap the sneakers around the telephone lines. So, I just happened to see that there were some sneakers up there. And then all of a sudden I look off in the distance. And there's this UAP UFO that looks like an iron. But you would iron your clothes with the whole bottom part was glowing.

48:47The top part was just dullish great because you know, England and great skies. Was the shape the top like an iron as well? Yes. So, they're like a hump too? He's kind of had a hump to it. So, I'm sitting there going, well, what is that? And he goes, that's got to be a helicopter because it's just standing there. And I was like, but I don't hear any noise. And then next thing you know, we saw, I believe it was two F4 jets coming because you could hear them. Those engines are loud. And these two jets come out and this thing just goes, and this is when I was living in Nottingham, England. Because I'm British by birth.

49:20So, you know, our parents were like, eh, too much imagination. And I just kind of kept it in the back of my head. And then I saw things later and I just kept questioning them. And finally it was like, I'm really going to have to look into this. So, how old were you? I was about 10. So, you were, and you said you were like 10 as well? This is one of the things that I keep hearing about this idea that children and their innocence, or they don't have this blockade in their head to keep them from, they don't think it's ridiculous to think about aliens. They're open to it more. We talked about this, and that was...

50:01The program is where you get mature. Yeah, we don't want to be fools. Right, so I believe, and this is just, my belief, not anybody's, but I believe from the mid -1950s, all the way up to the mid -1990s, I think there was a deliberate attempt by these entities to reach out to school children and go into the schools. Because remember the rule of law, right? That one's crazy. That's crazy, because all those years later they all have the same story. They all drew the same thing independently. They pulled the same thing. All the way to the adult who they remember it. Yeah, and then there's the stuff in Australia, there's the stuff in England, there's the stuff in France.

50:40I think the Australian ones are all similar too, right? Yeah, I think his name was Preston Dennett. He wrote a book. I hope your viewers read it. Take a look at it. It's like the top 100 school sightings. And half of it is based on just the sighting. Another part of it is based on the actual thing landing and trying to communicate with the kids. And I said they're just thinking, were they doing that to prepare us for now for when they do come back so we're not so afraid the kids are more open -minded? I'm not sure, but you have to think about those things and go. You know, aren't you or are you sending a whole thing to make you go?

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52:5890 proof, Franklin County, Kentucky, Buffalo Trace, American, family owned, independent and perfectly untamed. The real question is how long have entities been visiting us and are the same entities visiting us over and over again? Or like the Zimbabwe incident. Is that like the first time that species has ever been here? And did they just seek contact and didn't know that they're dealing with little children in a school? They just knew they were dealing with a group of intelligent beings that they could communicate with? They probably don't even have the concept of a school, right? So if they're landing, I mean they probably understand basic culture for human beings, but as they land and interact with people, this might be the first time they've this species is interacting with anybody.

53:47We don't know. And from just my belief in it is that we have millennia of these sorts of encounters all through manuscripts, even George Washington's got his story. George Washington's story? Yeah, he met a green somebody before he actually went into a group. Yeah, pull that up, Jamie. George Washington had a UFO encounter? Well, he had an entity encounter? An entity. He just said that this was... George Washington also had lead poisoning. Shane Gillis has the best bit about George Washington. I don't know if you've ever seen it. It's fucking hilarious. But going to the George Washington Museum and seeing George Washington's teeth, and George Washington's teeth...

54:33They're all wooden. Well, no, they were slave teeth. First of all, they knocked some of the teeth out of slaves mouths, and the other ones were from horses. Oh my god. And it was set in...it was all in lead. So they had lead in his mouth. I always thought they were wooden. So his joke is all about George Washington being fucking mad with lead boys. I'm like fucking killing everybody. That's why he's at the front of the boat. He was out of his fucking mind. It's a great bit. But the point is George Washington was being poisoned by medical science at the time. They didn't know that lead was bad for you.

55:06Yeah, it's crazy. He kept lead in his mouth. Yeah, but I'd never know. I know, but makes you wonder, what are we doing right now? The future people are going to go, these fucking idiots were doing that? But George Washington, have you found his account, Jamie? Not officially. So... I've found that about five minutes from AXIONALIANS about the founding father. Good enough, solid reference. AXIONALIANS. It's not an AXIONALIANS. It's legit. Yeah. You get George Yosuke -Los to say it was wild hair. So all those things that happened to those kids, we don't know if it was... We're hearing stories now that they can mess with your mind.

55:47We don't know if they're pushing these kids forward mentally. We don't know if they're dumbing them down because they know that these kids are going to be the ones that are going to make a difference. Because it all depends on what they're all doing. Well, they're all adults now, right? Yeah. Are any of them like real exceptional or any of them like PhDs or something like that? I have not gone to check any of that. But one of the things that coincides with that, that I kind of... I think there was... Exceptional people usually have to do some exceptional things to get noticed. And I think even if you're exceptional, you may not have fit the right block to get noticed.

56:25So that someone would sit there and go, Hey, what's going on in your past, whatever. And then there's a lot of these people. They just don't want to talk about it. Right. Because of whatever the stigma. But now that the stigma is being lifted, you know, who knows? Maybe you want to see some of those. Yeah, but I must say... The stigma has been lifted, but people still live with the haunting memory of the stigma being a part of their life. So I think people that have had an experience a long time ago, even though the stigma is lifted, they're still reluctant to talk about it. It's like... There's still people that are in the closet.

56:55Yeah. Like homosexuality is like way less taboo than it's ever been in modern history, right? But yet there's still people that have been in the closet for 20 years and then trapped. And they just like, fuck. And they can't be themselves. They can't get out. I think for a lot of people that have had these crazy experiences, they probably had some moments where they told people, friends, and they got mocked and people called them liars. They felt like an idiot. Like, I'm just not telling anybody this anymore. Which totally makes sense. Yeah. And it's the same thing that's happening on X and other platforms as well as this people coming forward trying to speak their truth.

57:31And they get shut down by people that don't have never been there. They're just opinionating. Sure. Yeah, but that's just toxic internet. That's just the... A lot of hundred percent I agree with you. I just human beings online, they're just not good at it. We're not good. It's too new. We suck at it. We're real shitty to each other. Yeah. And too many people, it's like they're mentally ill. And what I mean by mentally ill is like, if you're on Twitter 12 hours a day and you constantly tweeting before you go to bed, you're mentally ill. You might not think you're mentally ill. Just like when you're in alcoholic, you're mentally ill.

58:03If you're gambling addict, you're mentally ill. You're not well. Right? You're fucking trying to bet your house on a football game. You're ready to fucking mind. You're addicted to the problem. Yeah, you're mentally ill. You're mentally ill. If you're on Twitter all day, just arguing with people. It's just the nature of the technology and the very crude way that people interact with each other, which leads you to think that as technology evolves and it gets to the point we're communicating through telepathy, telepathically, like supposedly they can. It sort of eliminates the need to even know our language.

58:34They can just calm it and give us thoughts and express things in a pure way without the need to like decipher it through syntax. But there's still the worry of misinterpretation because my family was pretty religious. And when I was going up there, like, God is omnipotent. God knows everything. God doesn't make mistakes in everything. And then I was like, that's not exactly true. But if you think that God is omnipotent and he's communicating with everybody, how is it that all the leaders of it deserve a church have different views on how we're supposed to talk to God? If God is, right, why isn't he just saying?

59:10It's the same experience, really. Yeah. And it's the same thing with the, I think, the NHI is that, like you're saying, you'd like to put a pattern to it. Yeah. But maybe there's not there's some, you know, very random things that have happened in other encounters. But there's some of them that do seem to be have a concerted effort, a prolonged effort from maybe even millennia, because we do see like old stone ancient monuments and monoliths that do have these depictions of what look exactly like grace. Yeah. The craziest one is in Australia. The one that's on the wall where there's all these dudes, the big eyes.

59:46There's a couple of places where there's a couple of those, there are cave paintings that are like that. Where are those from? I think there's some down in South America. I saved one. I'll send it to you, Jamie, because it just, I saw so much stuff. I read the day online and it freaked me out so much I saved it on my phone. I was like, this is so crazy just to look at. Yeah, and there was one on the side of a, like a hillside or a cliff face. Yeah, that was the main one. Yes, why, why, why freaked you out? I think I'll be right there, so I know. Well, because I just sent it to Jamie. We take a look at it right here.

1:00:17Jamie, you can throw that through a Google search. You can find out where it is, or I'll do that while you put it up on the screen. It freaks me out because these people were starving. These people were like barely getting by, right? They have stone tools and they took the time to draw these things with these like weird helmets on and these big black eyes, which is very similar to so many different encounters that people have. They, they all describe a very similar thing. They big head with giant black eyes. So, so those are the typical grays, but I heard in South America, there were people that they showed that picture to him.

1:00:58They called them the ant people because they said they came from underground. Yeah, well, that's, that's the other question. Like we're just sort of assuming that these things are definitely from another planet. That they're not here and they haven't been here all along. Yeah, that's just the sound. So, yeah, these are Aboriginal drawings or Aboriginal paintings. Yes. Yes. So, this is from Australia, which is just wild. And you get them all over the world. All over the world. Yeah. And real similar all over the world. Yes. And you got them in Ireland, you know, you got them in the United States, get Central America everywhere.

1:01:33And the vast majority of those children that saw UAP, that came down to their school, if there was an entity that was there, it was usually the typical gray looking ones that were there. Well, the ones that they saw in Virginia, Brazil are kind of similar, but they seemed like a darker color. Like it was almost like a purple, right? Yeah, with reddish purple or something like that. But they did have the black eyes and the large heads and... They had horns though. They had horns. There was a very specific thing that they said. Well, the pictures that we're seeing for Varianian, this one had red eyes.

1:02:04And the reason why I'm bringing that up is because a friend of mine contacted me, a mutual friend that we talked about. Oh, okay, yeah. He was talking about something known as the Dover Demon, and it's over by Dover Delaware. And there was supposed to be an incident where a UAP came down and there was a creature. And it looked a lot like the Varianian creature with the red eyes and whatever. So he was asking... That's what the Varianian thing was? Oh, that's the Dover Demon. That's the Dover. Yeah, that looks like a shoe -bill bird. That's crazy bird. Yeah, but it said it had bright red eyes. Oh, fun.

1:02:41Imagine that. Imagine running into that thing in the night. Right, so the question was... You're never sleeping on it. Never sleeping on it. Oh, I know. Like a travel... It does look a lot like the Varianian one though. Yeah, it does. Go back to that last drawing, you true, Jamie? Or you pull up, pull that rather? Now, if you can, will you pull up the image of the Varianian drawing? Because they had an artist who talked to little girls that saw that. And those women, and you know, the really... Look at it. Come on, man. That looks exactly the same. Yeah. And there's those bumps on the head though.

1:03:13Yeah, you can see that maybe... That's exactly the same fucking thing, man. Right. Like literally exactly. Yeah. So I told Travis, if you ever see... If you ever get me to go to Cunc to Skynwalk, Rant, I said, no, that I've got a plan. And he was like, what are you talking about? And I said, I will not be the slowest runner. Okay. However, I will not be the fastest runner because I don't... Because I don't know what's really going on there. I don't want to run for one thing into another. So I'm going to make sure I have an escape plan. I went to Skynwalk, Rant. Oh, you did. Yeah, how did that go?

1:03:47Well, I was doing it for a television show. And we interviewed a bunch of people that lived there. And one guy. There's a lot of people that they wanted to be interviewed. Then when we got there, they chickened out. It seemed like there might be some drug use going on in the surrounding areas. A few people seemed like a little on tilt. But I think that's a good part of America. I think there's a lot of people. You could find some packets of people in America that are just doing drugs. So I wouldn't say that that was what it was. But there's one guy that I talked to. He didn't seem like that at all.

1:04:17He seemed very respectable. I don't remember what he did. But he was a very smart guy, a blue collar guy, and lived in this very modest house. And he had this story of this thing that flew into his yard and through his house. And he said it was a small orb. And he said it seemed to be communicating with him. And this guy didn't have any other bullshit stories. You didn't have any claims of just this one experience that he said it was beautiful. He said it was incredible that this thing seemed like it was alive. It seemed like it was communicating with him. And it went right through the walls. And then it went through the wall again and disappeared.

1:04:57I've had a similar case. So every March, I go to seaside Oregon because they have a paranormal conference. And I'm not into the paranormal stuff, but my friends are. So I want to listen and I want to learn. Because this is me trying to get over my fear of going in there. You have a fear of paranormal or a fear of being around the people that believe in paranormal? No. The paranormal because of certain things that I've heard from when I was a kid. And you have to overcome some of those childhood fears and stuff like that. So when I was there, I was giving us talking about my app and all this other stuff.

1:05:30And these two Asian ladies were watching me walk on the stage. And I was like, why are they looking at me like that? And I was like, is my fly down or something? What did I do? And as soon as I stepped off the stage and said, Mr. Look, what are they? What are they? And I was like, what do you mean? She pulls out on her phone the most beautiful pristine picture of an orb sitting in a doorway. And I'm like, what happened there? And she said it was my birthday. And she said all my family was there. And she said, but I got tired so I was laying down. And she said, I heard this electrical discharge going on.

1:06:06And she said, it came right through her wall. Started floating across her room. She said, it got to her doorway. She screamed. And all her family came and the sun, I guess it was, took the picture of the orb. And I was so amazed by her story. I even forgot to ask her to give me a copy of the picture. How long ago was this? This was like two years ago. Weird. So fairly modern phone. Yeah. It was an iPhone. They were from Northern California and they drove up to this thing. And I'm just like, so what happened? She said, she said it actually sat there and did this, like a heartbeat, getting bigger and smaller.

1:06:48And then she said, it just kind of went back out the way it came in. And she goes, what are they? You were on the test for it. Don't you know about these things? And I was like, whoa, you know, we're not, I'm nippin' up with you. You know, we're trying to learn just like you are. And every year I've been back there twice now. And every year I go, hey, if those two eighties are in here, can we talk? And they haven't shown back up. But he sounded just like your story of what happened to this other story. Yeah, he was the only guy that was compelling. There was a bunch of other people that had goofy stories, bulletproof wolves that appeared out of the mist and like, okay.

1:07:25They just seemed like some people just wanted to be on TV, which is normal, right? You show up with cameras, people tell stories. And this is another show that I worked on once. It was called Game Show in my head. And this is pretty funny. We told people, so the game show was, we would take a contestant. The contestant knew that they were going to pull pranks on people. But they didn't know what the prank was going to be. And so we had a piece in their ear. And we would put them out in the public. And my thing was that I had to tell them that they are a news reporter. And that someone had just seen a UFO and had an encounter with an alien right there in Hollywood.

1:08:08But the person who was the witness took off. Would you be willing to go on camera and say it was you? And everybody said yes. They all did. And people had crazy stories. They talked about being abducted and being on the ship and experience. And they were communicating with me. They just fully made up stories. And that was an eye opener for me. I was like, wow, you put a camera on people. They just are so hyped to be on TV that just bullshit you. Yeah, they can. That was the guy who was in on it was Shock 2. Because he was like, I can't believe that these people just started fucking lying. Yeah, when you're getting grandised like that, that's where you kind of help people that do that.

1:08:48It's just to get grandised and enlarge themselves. Sure. Everybody wants to, especially when you put a camera on people. But then you get, with other people like the whistleblowers I know, they've pretty much given up everything like me. Well, this guy was not interested in much attention. He just wanted to tell us his story. And he was a regular dude. Like we talked about all kinds of stuff. He had a big trout on his wall. He had a trout. Like when they make trophies out of fish, they don't really make trophies anymore. Now that what they do is they take a photo and the measurements and then they make like a plastic version of that fish that looks exactly like it.

1:09:21That's how they do it. But this guy had like a real trophy fish that he had mounted. I'm like, they don't even do that anymore. So I started asking him questions and games show my head. Yeah, that's it. Wow. But the long time ago. But the point is this guy was a sincere dude. He was telling me how he caught the fish. But when I'm asking people questions about stuff, I want to know how you think. When I'm talking to some guy that tells me in any counter with an orb, I want to hear what you talk about. How do you talk about you at work? How do you talk about you with your kids? How do you treat your dog?

1:09:53You know how do you, you know what I'm saying? I'm trying to like get a gauge of this guy. He seems super sincere. Just a regular good guy, very accommodating, very friendly. You had to make a good analyst. Yeah. Maybe. Because the thing that we're trying to do is the all -source analyst is to look at all aspects of what I have. Yeah. And sometimes people just go in there well. I mean, the thing that really upsets me is when I was part of the task force, was someone just handing me a picture and just going, so what is it? Oh, right. No context, no nothing. You're just like, oh, okay. You know, fake.

1:10:27Right. What the fuck better? So he's through the image analyzer. Right. You know, I don't know if you've had any mental issues or, you know, right. I mean, someone showed me something that it was a button on a glass. And at first I was like, that looks really intriguing. But there was something about it that was just, it wasn't quite right. And I'm like, I think this is fake, but I don't know why. And then finally the guy said, yeah, you know, button on a glass. Oh, it's a thing that, do you know that feel, if you've ever seen photos of miniature cars? Yes. There's that autistic kid that does that really good picture.

1:11:03Yeah. But there's what I was getting at, there's something wrong with the car that even in a photo, you know it's not a real car. Yes. You know it's a miniature car. Your brain is very good at that. That's a real weird one because it doesn't make sense. Like there's a, just, there's a perception. You look at it like, oh, that's a miniature car. It's a fake. That's like a hot wheel because they're really good now. You pull up a photo of like a miniature Mustang. There's an autistic kid out there that that's all he does. He gets miniature cars and puts them in a real background. I've seen that. Yeah, I've seen that.

1:11:43Yeah. So these are miniatures. Okay, well that, that's really good. That's really good. That's a lot better than normal. Yeah, but you get really tires are not resting, you know, flat like there's weight to the car. That's a good point. That's a good point. So you deal with things as an analyst you look at in the image. It's just you're looking at, you know, things like that. Yeah, that's the kid. 13 -year -old kid. There you go. Yeah, that's true. Okay, so he's really good at it. He's really good. Because these look other than what you said, Jay, that you don't see the weight of the tires. But it's like, okay, that one right there, that Nissan.

1:12:17Click on that with the blue one. Yeah, that's a Nissan GTR. I'm looking at that. I'm like, that's a fake car. I don't know why. Yeah, that looks like a model. But why does it look like a model? It's got to be that driver's window. It's the decals to me. But everything looks pretty fucking good. Yes. Well, yeah, it looks good, but there's just little details that your mind is picking up on going, it's not quite right. Right. I mean, there's something about it, right? And what is that? Something about it. This kind of falls into the area too of when you do see a UAP, something about it is what's telling you that it's a UAP.

1:12:51But you're also looking in your mind's memory bank to say, this is fake. This can't be real because it's not doing X. It's not doing whatever. Right. And then sometimes you end up going, it's just not real, I'm throwing it out of my head. And then all of a sudden someone either tells you something that makes you go back and go, oh my god, that thing did that. Somebody beat Westrail. Or you see something about it, something weird about it that just triggers you and you're like, oh, OMG. And now your whole thing, your whole view on the whole universe is changing because you're like, I did. Yeah, let's move into this.

1:13:29Let me just test, I give people, you know, because I have a lot of people that ask me, can you vet this guy? He says he's had an encounter and then I kind of go through the experience because, you know, the one that I had in the desert, there's a telepathic kind of a thing that happened during that conversation I had with that gentleman. And in the desert, and there's parts of that that people have only really experienced it. They actually know about like the residual data that information that's left behind in your own mind, because you're sharing a mind space and things like this. And there's certain things that when I ask questions of people that, you know, sometimes I can tell right then and there you weren't there.

1:14:06You know, they're not my experience, but the people that do describe it and I know that they're telling the truth. There's certain characteristics about that communication type that you only get when you've been talking to no kidding telepathically with that. Right. Well, especially you as a person who's had an experience. Correct. You have something to gauge. There's certain things like in your field, like if you ran into a dude at the airport, there was a faker. You know, there's a lot of guys that put on fake military outfits and pretend that they get questioned by real. Stolen valor and love.

1:14:39It's weird. But people are weird. People will make up crazy stories. So like when you're dealing with the craziest of crazy stories, which is UFOs have been in contact with me. I'm special. They chose me to talk to me. I don't feel special at all. I was accidental. Well, that's probably because it was a real story. So when he first showed up, I was one of the first people to get his... He knows my whole history, man. When he first showed up, first thing I read through everything, I was like... Hmm. I'm going to have to run a background check on this guy. Right. He might be cook. Right. And then I was like...

1:15:15So I did the basics. And then I called up David Grisha and I was like, boy, do I have a doozy for you? I can't do anything with this guy because there's not enough here for me to do a thorough background check. But boy, you've got to listen to what this guy has to say. And from there, David took it on. And I was like, he came back to me because... Well, this guy looks to be the real deal. And I was like, holy crap. So we kind of teased that then. So let's get to your experience. I want to tell everybody what happened. Just doing my job at Nellis. We had two things we did. We did the telephone monitoring.

1:15:56Where's Nellis? It's in Nevada. So I'm working at Nellis, there for space, for the debt three. And that's where the program. They have a shop that... A four guys. That was one of them that we got monitor for the program. So anyway, the other side of my job was also doing monitoring for everybody else that wasn't in the program. And when you say monitoring, what do you mean by that? You're actually plugging into, like, just like you heard, tapping, telephones, all the ways we turn on communication type. We made sure that we'd listen to radios, we'd listen to radio waves, all that. And we gather it all in.

1:16:35And what we're tasked to do is, you know, say, a commander at Wright Patterson, you know, we went to do... It's all at the two -week mission mostly, unless it's part of an operation like Desert Storm. And you stay for a month or two, and then you change out teams. But two weeks is the standard. So we go two weeks to Wright Patterson. We gather all the information we can on all the telecommunications means. And we also have an OSI team that's trying to sneak in the doors and get into the facilities they shouldn't be at. Just to test the security. And that's all we're there for. And at the end of the day, on the last Friday, we go in and we talk to the staff.

1:17:09And then about 90 days later, we put in a final report and give that, again, back to the staff. And that's kind of how we rolled.

1:17:20So we're going up range. For those kind of things, we don't do the telephone monitoring. When we go up range to the test range, it nell us. That was what we called red forcing. And what our job was there is we were also trained to do combat ops against our own pilots. So that we could help them survive in a wartime environment. And that was done at the top of Black Mountain. And that we called that a schoolhouse there. And then if you walk up another few yards, there's really those big golf ball looking radars. Or satellite dishes were up at the very top. But anyway, that's where we were heading this one day.

1:17:59So we all packed up. We're in Baydie, Nevada, which is the burrow in. I can tell you that's where we always hold up at. And we take off from there every morning to go do the AM and the PM push. That's what you call it when the war is on. You call it the push. So we had one in the morning called AM push, one in the afternoon PM push. So we were all heading up for the AM push in a con where there's three vehicles, probably about three to four people per vehicle. I'm in the lead vehicle with the ranking guy. He's driving. And I'm right behind him. And then there's another gentleman in the passenger seat across from the driver.

1:18:35And then there's a young lady next to me. And we're all going up. And the ranking guy had been there the week before. And he had seen the craft fly by. Because that was, and that one's out there on the internet. You can pull down the video. There's a report that goes along with it. This video that we can watch right now. Right now. Yeah. What would he search? Search for, we think, Nellis test range UFO 1994. Don't don't. This was filmed by the operators on the range because you're, we're putting these pilots in a risky situation by playing war with them, but we're training them. So if there is any kind of a mishap or a pilot or playing goes down, everything needs to be recorded.

1:19:26So they have it right here. Yes. So this is being taken, this video is being taken by one of these cameras that's up up on the range. And along the bottom, you see that this is also trying to lock on to the craft. So it can, you know, follow it as it goes in and out because this is the kind of way that you want to track if there's a craft that is having problems. This is moving very radically. Right. So this is what my, the ranking guy saw. Can I pause you for a second? This tracking is this manual or is this like some sort of automated system? This automated system. This is an automated system.

1:19:58So the automated system is having a hard time locking on. Locking on. Yeah, if it locks on, you'll see a big spike. And that means that it finally locks on right now. It's trying to, but something is stopping it from locking on. And they think it was the craft. It's moving like crazy side to side all over it. There's actually recording that goes really where you got, you hear the guys going, Hey, does anybody know what this is? What's going on? Can we hear that?

1:20:46Yeah. Okay, there, the sound's terrible. Yeah, they need better mics. Honestly, it has to have fun if he works in it there. But I'm sure, but he's saying, what is that? I don't know. We're having a hard time locking on to it. Right. This is the video operator. So the following week after this happens, this video is taken, the ranking guy who had been there the week before and saw this thing flying. He takes us in this, when you go on the range through this one gate here, it goes up a little ways. And then there's a contoman area. It's got a very small place where you can change your tires, get gas, minor maintenance to get you but home.

1:21:24If you have a car that's busted. And then in the back of that contoman area, there's two huts that look like campers really. Chlorified campers. So the video operators are in the one that's off to the north east of the contoman in a very corner of it. And the ranking guy just says, we all have to go in here. We're going to go talk to the video operators. We have to do this. And this was because the week prior, everybody came back to Garrison or back to our unit. And they had seen this thing. And they were all talking about this UFO. So we go in there and there's the video operator. He has us all right or names down.

1:22:02Whether we were there and saw it the first week or not. Then he mixes all sit down and watch that video. And he says, do you know what this is? And we're like, no. And then he just said, OK, thank you. And then after everybody that was there, saw it and had wrote their name down. We were allowed to leave. And that was all that was required. And so I was like, what was that all about? But then as I'm exiting, this lady that had been sitting against the wall on the far part of this little hut that we were in. And she like grabs my arm and she just says, there's somebody on the range. Don't talk to them.

1:22:41She was really, really freaked out. And I'm like, thanks, strange freaky lady. Got it. And I'm like, whatever. So we all hop out, we get in the vehicles and then start taking off towards Quartz Mountain because right at that contoman area, there's a hard right. There's a hard right that goes off to Quartz Mountain. And about a mile, half a mile to a mile down that road. It's all dirt road up by the way. There's this guy. It looks like he's wearing a uniform like we are. He got balladress uniform on. So he sees us and he starts to look like he's running. And he's got this really weird run like his arms are kind of flailing behind.

1:23:20It's like he was running against the hurricane wind. And it was like he was going to fall over at any time. And I was like, yeah, it's a bit windy today, but I need to hit that. So it looked really strange. And then I began to notice his skin tone looked like he might be hypothermic. And I'm thinking, oh crap, this dude's been out here. It's freaking freezing out here because it was a very cold day. And the wind was blowing. Those cold days where it didn't matter how many layers you had on. And so as we're getting closer, I'm talking to the ranking guy, hey, we need to slow down. So anyway, I'm thinking this guy's probably in big trouble.

1:23:53I need to pull off my jacket. I need to give him something to get warm real quick. So I'm starting to do that and we're approaching. And by the time I get my jacket, most of the way off, he's right there at the corner of the front of the car. And I can see. So he looks pale, is that what you're saying? He looked like an albino with a very bluish kind of undertone. If you could imagine, you know, So you're assuming like you're immediately associating that with like, he's freezing. Yeah, because that's all I could equate it to. And then as I'm starting to open my door to try to administer aid to this guy, the dude in the front passenger seat screams, he's got no ears.

1:24:34And I thought that was pretty rude, because I was like the guys in prison. And they have a hat on, does he? He's got a hat on and he's got BDUs that look absolutely clean, pristine. And when you're up range, you do not wear your cleanest uniform. You're in a dirty environment. You wear your scuffed up boots. You don't take them with you. So he's got clean, battle dress uniform. Everything in the United States military. Very out of place. Yeah, it looks very out of place when I finally do it. But anyway, I step out onto the roadway and this guy screams that he's got no ears. And I just think it's really rude.

1:25:04And then it closed the door and I look up and he's got no freaking ears. And his eyes are twice as big. And I just'm like, yeah, what the hell don't he just walk into? This guy's not from around here. How far away from NYU? Probably from me to look. Just a few. Yeah, just a few, just talking distance. Okay. And I'm starting to freak out, but then he starts to talk to me and it's not my language. But it's coming to the understanding is like coming into my mind about every word he's saying. Because. So he's actually saying words. He's saying words, but it doesn't sound like anything I've heard. But you don't understand anyway saying.

1:25:39But I'm understanding. So I know there's a telepathic thing going on here and it calms me down at the same time because I'm having to respond to him. And he's like, hello, I'm having trouble with my craft. I need some repair material. Do you know where I could find some trin -tium? And this is what he's talking to me about. And I'm like, you mean titanium? Because I didn't know anything about trin -tium at the time. But titanium, he's like, no, it's not it. And I'm like, well, at this point in my career, I had just left the program. So I knew where Dreamland was and I pointed to the mountain range because you can see for days in the desert.

1:26:18But I pointed towards the mountain range and I said, Dreamland's just over there. And this wave of emotion hit me like disgust. Like I'm not going to talk to those barbarians and murderers. You know, and so he was saying that to you and his reaction to going to the military base. Exactly, yeah. But he did not like it. He said, I am not going to talk to those people. And then I was like, well, she... And it was barbarians and murderers. He literally, that was what he called them, yes. And mentally, that's what it was. But this is emotion. Trin -tium, is this a real thing? Well, that's what, I've had a lot of friends.

1:26:57There's analysts also that were on the top secret network that were trying to help me understand what material... Throwing everything at him. We're like, is it best? Is it best? And then finally, that's the one when they hit Trin -tium. I was like, that's what it was. That's what he said. What is Trin -tium? It's a type of... Well, can he bring it up on the... Yeah, sure. Because it should pop up on Wikipedia pretty quick. But it has some properties that probably... Trin -tium. Are you saying Trin -tium? Yeah, Trin -tium is... That's the stuff that's in loom. Like in your watch, when you watch glows, that's...

1:27:32Or the way... You know, they make those where they... They're basically radioactive isotopes that stay lit. So like, if you get like a marathon watch, marathon makes military watches. And it doesn't need like this watch, you need the light and it light charges the loom. And then when it's dark out, you could read the hands for like a few hours. The thing that needs to put on the end of the guns, right? Exactly. They still do. A lot like SIG has on it. Look at Trin -tium also. Trin -tium is... Oh, I did that. That's not giving me much. So Trin -tium, chunky glow in the dark glitter. These are all like...

1:28:07These are game websites. Oh, I see. Okay, so what is Trin -tium then? Maybe mispronounceable. But Trin -tium is... That's that radioactive isotope. Mm -hmm. That's the stuff that emits light. Yep. So it emits a weak form of radiation. Yes. A rare radioactive isotope of hydrogen with a half -life of 12 .3 years. Mm -hmm. Okay. So this is what he's asking me for. So he's asking you for that stuff? Trin -tium? Yep. And I'm like, I don't know where to get... Oh, look at that. It's used in boosted fission weapons and thermonuclear weapons. Oh, great. That sounds pretty true. I wonder what the fuck it's doing on your wrist?

1:28:45Is there anybody... This is what the best image that we have, what he could have looked like. Oh, boy. Can you send that to Jamie? Yeah, I don't know Jamie's number, but I will find a way to... Is that my phone or anything? Yeah. Is that an iPhone? Yeah, if I had my phone, I would, but I'd get out there and I think... Yeah, air drop it to Jamie. Do you know how to do that? There was nothing... No, I do not know how to do that. And there's a three -dimensional... You have to work with UFOs. You better know how to do that. Well, there's a three -dimensional image of the craft as well that is really spot on from what I saw that day.

1:29:16Yeah. Because not only did I see this guy running towards us and talking to him, but off the shoulder of the... On the north side of the roadway, that's where the craft was just resting on the desert floor. And that's... I got a really good look at it at that point. And this guy did a 3D rendering of the description. And it's like... It's spot on as I've ever seen. It's almost perfect. So he asks you for Tridium. You tell him dreams... This is what it looked like. This is what the guy looked like. Pretty close to it. Yellow. The nose was a little bit rounder on the end but that was a really good rendition.

1:29:55But yeah, his eyes just... His eyes almost came out to hear on the temple. Wow. And that would freak me out. It freaked me out. I mean, honestly, I'm not an easy guy to get freaked out but that really put that... Like, you just saw an alligator pop up out of the water kind of thing. Right. So when you tell him go to Dreamland, it says I'm not going to go where those murders and barbarians and then what happens. And he said, no. I was like, well, where else can I possibly point him to? Because I'm like, I don't know any metal or just or whatever. So I'm thinking to myself and I relate to him. I said, well, I'm taking college classes down in the city of Vegas.

1:30:40You know, Las Vegas at the community college. But I have a geophysical professor that I'm taking a class from. Maybe he has a metallurgy friend and he's like, so you're thinking at this time though, it's a metal. I am, yes. Right. Because you're thinking at some kind of titanium, some type of... Right. Right. And there's also when he... This is the 3D image with the craft. That is almost as spot on as I've ever seen. That is about it right there. That's almost exactly what I saw resting on the desert floor. And so you're trying to find different people that you can connect this being to. Yeah.

1:31:14And what is it saying to you while you're... He thought that that was a good idea, I think, or he was like, I mean, he had that kind of... And he wanted to take action. So he just... He doesn't really even say goodbye. He just kind of turns and off he goes back to his craft. And I'm thinking, well, okay. And I get back in the car. Sometimes during that conversation with this entity, I remember looking over at my friends in the car. And they had the weirdest look on their face, like they were all zonked out. Totally zonked. Like they couldn't even... They were just drooling on themselves. Were they just...

1:31:50Because they were flabbergasted? Or was it because... I didn't know. Something was going on. Well, I figured out that maybe he was done by this entity because none of them seemed to even remember the incident. Only a few people seems to remember that we stopped. That we had talked to somebody on the roadway, but it was mainly the people that were in the back of the convoy. So they didn't see it up close like you did? Like we did. The people that far away would they be? They'd probably be a good two car links behind us. That's still enough to detect whether or not someone looks blue though, right?

1:32:22Correct. And that's probably what they saw. But you know me, I'm kind of wide and big. I was very muscular back then. And you're standing in front of this thing? So they'd have a difficult time because this guy stood about a good half foot shorter than me. And so they probably could see his arms from time to time. Maybe clips of his face or something. So they probably didn't get a very good view because if you're looking at me, I'm standing right next to my door. And they're behind me kind of almost obfuscated by just the angle that they're looking at him. So all the windows are tinted in those vehicles.

1:32:55And they can't just see through the windows right to whatever on the line. And the people that were in the car with you, you feel like something happened to them that like froze them? They did look like that. Like you said, just a look of just under like, the guy who said it has no ears. Does that guy have a recollection? That guy they can't find. They can't find them. No, I was asked by the UEP test where David Grush to reach out to these folks, the people in the car. I got a hold of one, got a hold of him on LinkedIn. And we started talking and you know, just how's the wife, how's the kids, that kind of stuff.

1:33:31How much that UFO we met. And as soon as I did that, the guy just disappears and goes to me. And I can't, I don't know what happened. But he was the rank and guy in the car. The guy that was the passenger, and nobody can seem to find him because they did try to verify the people in the car. And I gave the names. And the young lady, that was off to my right, I don't know if they contacted her, but I've heard from other people that were part of this background investigation about my story. They found two people that verified my story. And I don't know who they are. They've been told to keep their mouth shut by somebody.

1:34:08And I'm kind of pissed about that. But I think James Fox knows who they are. And knows exactly who told them to shut up as well. But what was that incident where James Fox and you were on a show? What's that? I was just, I shouldn't have said that James Fox knows the guy who told them to shut up because I'm not sure if that's true. You think you might know. So this thing, does it tell you why it needs a tritium, it just says it needs it to fix its craft? Yeah, well, along with that, this is the other part that was telepathic. When he mentions this metal and the part that he is... But it's not metal, right?

1:34:46Do we think it's not metal? Or do you think maybe it's a metal that we don't have? I think it's something or an alloy that we don't particularly make a lot of and or just can't make. But when he spoke about this, the telepathic image was almost like he opened a Sears catalog in my head that had all the specs for this part that he was needing fixed. And it was the strangest thing. It like described some of the nano channeling of electrical and electromagnetic stuff that was flowing through it that caused these torroidal energies to emanate on both sides of this piece of the equipment. So you, because it was describing it to you, all of a sudden had access to all this information, like download it into your head.

1:35:30It was like me, if you and I were telepathic and we were talking about a science project, and he just uploaded all the information. Yeah, and I could just give you all that instead of talking it out. That's what he did. Did you then try to talk to someone and relay that information and like download it? I've had, well, once, because in the forum, we have scientists and stuff like that, that yes, we're very interested to get me in a room and talk to me about this. I had people from DARPA wanting to talk to me, people from people from threats. Departments all over the place that wanted to know more.

1:36:08And even when I talked to Jack Serfati and Gary Nolan about this stuff, I was telling them things before they even opened their mouth about like when I talked to Gary Nolan, I just said, you got that part and you know that it has that nano -size atomic level layering that can't be reproduced unless you actually physically are putting these atoms one at a time next to each other. And he's like, yeah, yeah, that's it, you know. So I'm telling him this and he already knew. But that was the first thing. And so that's why I knew that what I'd been given in my head, he was giving me that high sign that yes, that's exactly what I analyzed, is that piece of material I had.

1:36:50It sounds just like what this guy described to you and gave to you telepathically that there's these really minute little things that create torridal forces. They're doing things at a very small level. And then I talked to Jack Serfati later and he's got all these fantastical physics equations about how things work. And I'm looking through his documents and no, I can't do the math but I can understand what he's doing with it. And I just fight out asked him. I said, so the smaller you get, because there's always that resistance level when it comes to, you know, putting in energy and then losing it due to, you know, atrophy and all these other things.

1:37:31That's right. We're for it. Anyway, the whole thing was this that when you get smaller, it actually reverses itself. Is that now you get even more power out of things. If you have a small enough energy source that works at a very, it's kind of like miniaturizing a fusion device of some kind. And so did you talk to someone from DARPA? Did you said these people wanted to talk to you? I emailed back and forth again with information I could. But they didn't want to interview you. They wanted just email. At the time, that's the way it went. Yeah, I've had a couple of meetings though with different places that I can't discuss, but they did talk to me.

1:38:12And is that information still in your head? Yeah. So does it seem like a memory or what does it seem like in your head? To me, it's like a very clear, like this is, it's just like a picture that never goes away. Could you draw that picture if someone gave you a pad? Yeah, I've already done it. Yeah. Is that available online? Could someone see that? I don't know if I pulled that down off the top secret network. But I can reproduce it. All I did was just recreate it in like a PowerPoint draw thing. But does it remain in your head like normal memory? Like you learn certain things in school. Oh yeah, the telepathy felt absolutely normal.

1:38:55I mean, there was no headache. There's no dissonance to buzzing. What I mean is the memory the same as a regular memory. Oh yeah. Or is it clear? No, I remember it as just being part of the conversation. Just like a normal conversation. That's what it feels like. But it just somehow or another in that conversation, he put this information in your head. Exactly. And then it just leaves. And then he leaves when he realizes that, you know, maybe there's some other venues. Maybe I'm, you know, me mentioning that there might be a metallurgist on staff somewhere that maybe that prompted him to think, oh yeah, maybe I should go research this or that.

1:39:29And then maybe I'll find somebody that I could talk to. Something like that may have happened. Did you get a sense of where this thing was from? Yeah, there was a star map from that day. But it also relates to the lunch hour after we started going back up to Black Mountain. I had a very strong compunction to go eat my lunch outside, even though it was deathly cold. And I don't know what prompted me to do that. Again, maybe he was giving me a telepathic message. But after I walked about 150 feet down the road, the dirt road, from the top of Black Mountain, I don't remember what happened after that.

1:40:04All I have are two images that keep on flashing back. I remember seeing the schoolhouse from about 150 feet above, or 200 feet above the schoolhouse. I remember looking at the rooftop. And the other memory is I've got this star map in my head. And David Grush made me reproduce that on a PowerPoint slide. And I handed that into him because I have no idea what it was. But he's like, do you understand what this is? And I was like, no, I have no ideas. Like, do you know what star constellations are? I said, I know what the big dip is. That's about it. And he's like, this is the constellation Leo. And I'm like, oh, I didn't know that.

1:40:44And so he's like, yeah, this is a really close rendition of that. And I'm like, well, that's kind of cool that I could reproduce it just out of my head. And not even know what the heck it was. But I did know it was a star system. And for some reason, you just felt compelled to draw this particular star system. Well, just after David Grush asked me to, yes. And was there a specific planet in that star system? Yeah, the red star. That's kind of like, you know, on the, there's a part of the Leo system that has like this, like very sharp turn into it. I guess it's like it looks like a nose or a part of a triangle.

1:41:21And at the tip of that is the red star. And it's reticuli, I think. But anyway, that one seems to be. What's that would say about aliens? Data reticuli? Yeah. And then the strangest thing about this, this is what I'm talking about when it comes to telepathy, when you're sharing that mind space, there's some residue memory there. Because Dave kept pressing me on it. And he said, can you tell me about the red star? And at first, I'm like, well, known. And I was like, and all of a sudden some memory came back. And I was like, holy crap. Yeah, that's where he's from. That's his, that's his home star system.

1:41:58And he came from there. That's his home. And then we just went on from there. And he said, did you know that they've actually just now discovered a few years ago that there were exoplanets around that star? And I was like, no, I had no idea. So all these things started coming together at that point. And that's when they started saying, okay, well, we're going to do some more vetting. And within about a month or so, they were bringing me to Congress and everything else happened after that. Now, what is the rest of your life like after that day? So you have life before you experience this creature.

1:42:36And then now you know that this is a thing. It's a thing. And it changed me.

1:42:45How do you explain this? If you get to imagine the entire human race, you and me, you don't have to talk to me, but you can feel my presence. You can feel who I am, my personality, and sharing all of that. And then to mention that by millions, the entire planet you can actually commune with them. It brings with that a level of civility in the control of your thoughts. Because right now, we don't read each other's minds. So our minds are like, oh, look at that girl. Oh, look at that, you know, the sports over here. There's a football game on. We're so distracted. But this guy's, when I was engaged with him telepathically, it was like civility to the maximum.

1:43:32It was like very courteous. He waited for me to say he, he talked. And it was like, just like we do, we have certain etiquette. But on top of that, there was this part of him that he left me with that was part of the community of the consciousness that he is able to feel all the time. And that has never left me is that there's a community of consciousness out there that when they've been living for so many years, with this sort of ability, it has changed them for the better. Because their minds are under control finally. Their emotions aren't running them. Like you were talking about addictions and things like that.

1:44:10They don't run their lives like that anymore because of it. And if you do, they end up in a criminal list somewhere, I would imagine. But there was such a, ever since then, that feeling of peacefulness and civility is what I was striving for. Never has left me. Never has left me. Whoa.

1:44:32It stays with you, but what, like what is your experience trying to relay these thoughts in this experience that had to be weird in the sense that like it's very hard to believe. I mean, I believe you, but it's very, it's one of those things where you know, what you talked to an alien. Like that's most people are going to think you're ridiculous. Well, yeah. And honestly, that's why I need people to back me up on it because this is the thing that we're trying to do with the whistleblowers. We all kind of know each other. Just like Logan would tell you, or not Logan, but just like Logan would tell you, just that I call him loafers short sometimes.

1:45:11It's a slip of understandable. Anyway, so anyway, we get to talking about stuff, but we don't know what's going on daily with each other. It's like I've brought whistleblowers forward to Congress since I went forward. But I don't know their lives. I don't talk to them every day like I do some of them. And it's a strange thing, but the more we seem to be coming out now that we've got these few weeks now where we've got folks like, you know, Jake Barber and folks like that coming forward. Now I'm starting to piece things together in my mind because now I'm here in his side of the story because I didn't want to be part of the retrieval.

1:45:42Well, guess what? He was on it. And he's telling that part. And I'm like, oh no, wonder they did that to me. You know, oh, that's that makes sense. You know, and now I'm making those conclusions now because of what he said. And then if you try to put us all in a room, we're all deathly scared that, you know, some jerk is going to come out of the Department of Defense and Shoot Assault or do a drone strike on us and kill us all. I just have done with it and then get on with their lives again. So you've got this problem here with us coming forward in a group. You're really worried that much that someone would try to take you out.

1:46:17They've already messed with my clearance. They've already shown me that they can break into my car on the NSA campus. They're letting me know they were trying to intimidate me because they don't want you talking about this. Exactly. But do you know why they don't want you talking about this? Yeah. Why? It's because they know that what they have done, that there are some parts that were really bad decisions in the long run. And they don't want anybody to crack open any part of this because they know it's going to cause questions to happen. And they're going to get put on a spot. Okay. So you finally are coming clean on the fact that we've got NHI here.

1:46:53But we've got other whistleblowers that have these concerns. That's what they're going to have to face. And when you say bad decisions, like what do you mean by bad decisions? Well, think about it. If Rosswell did happen, what do they do? They chop up some, you know, think about it. You'd have educated for it. It was a Russian craft that fell. You'd catalog every part of that crash site. And you'd repatriate the dead bodies to the dead bodies. Where they came from. We give them back to the Russians in honor. And here we are. We've got a civilization just crashed there in Rosswell. And look at what kind of crap we did to them.

1:47:29And we took all their stuff like it was some kind of a treasure trove. And now we own it. Hell no. You're talking about a craft that was manufactured on another part of the galaxy or something that they can't explain. Nobody knows where it came from. And here they are treating these people like they're just some kind of lab experiment. Let's chop them up a little more, you know. And then, you know, if they ever got approached by the people that came to look for them afterwards, I wouldn't want to be the person that answered them. I'm sorry we chopped up your buddy. We had an interesting talk about this.

1:48:01There's a video online where it shows like some great kind of strong up and they're asking him questions and whatever. And I was asking him. I said, if you were an NHI and you saw that. This is what the humans are broadcasting. Sorry. And this is what the humans are broadcasting. I said, I'd be like, yo, they got Jimmy. Look what they're doing with Jimmy. Right. It's on. We're going to Earth. You know, we're going to go get Jimmy back. Video of the alien. That's fake, right? The video where they're entering. I truly believe it is fake because like we've all. They look so fake. Everybody says they talk telepathically.

1:48:44And here he is. Oh, here's this voice coming out to whatever. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's but where we've always assumed that they they've got the same type of some type of emotions a lot like us, but maybe they're much more controlled, much more refined. You know, kind of like how we can not that I'm saying. Kind of like us now versus us 50 ,000 years ago. Yeah. Well, honestly, when I had the telepathic experience, it was very difficult for me to distinguish what emotions and feelings were coming from me as opposed to him. It was very obvious when he felt disgust about going to ask about things because I was like, well, I'm not disgusted at him.

1:49:24And I had that that ability to go. That's not me feeling that it must be coming from him. Right. But it was your emotions. Right. But everything else felt like we were sharing literally not only the thoughts, but the emotions that went along with it was a true sharing of a mind space. And he felt just like me, his inner voice is just like my inner voice. His feelings are just like our feelings. He feels sadness. He feels all the things that I do. What is the general consensus in the people in the program about Roswell? They don't like talking about it. I think that was where they probably are trying to bury it even amongst themselves because they know they made some very bad mistakes about that first confrontation that could have been a lot better than what happened.

1:50:07So the general consensus is that this is a real event. Yep. And they don't like talking about it, but does everybody sort of agree or are there people that are dissenting? Do they have dissenting opinions about whether or not it was a draft. They're not dissent. Disentions have heard people say, don't want to talk about it. They don't want to talk about it, but that it was in hours. Right. Well, the only thing this was again, when we talk about the intel analyst and everybody else that was on that forum, it's totally weird that you can go through all these different things as an intel analyst and say, okay, it's not shiny.

1:50:43Oh, all right, it's not that. All right. Let's look at Russia. Anything. No, it's not Russian. Is it one of ours? Well, hell no, it's not one of ours. Well, who the heck is it then? Does anybody talk about it? Is there anybody that has shared information about Roswell to you? Yeah. Is there anything that you can talk about? No. No. No. It's all top secret. I just gave the person the confidence that I would not mention it. Got it. And Logan, have you had personal experiences other than the one when you were a child? Yeah. But I didn't know what I was seeing, but you know, like after the program came out, I mean, not came out, but after James Fox finished editing everything.

1:51:29He sends me, he said, well, you haven't seen everything. Put together. So here you go. And you know, tell me if you don't like the way you look or whatever. And I'm going through it. And he starts showing, I see the stuff about Calvin, the Calvin, Scotland image of you. Yes. Yes. So that image was taken if I remember correctly in August 1990. Pull that image up, James. You could just type in Calvin, UFO, whatever. So I'm going, I had just cross -trained from, yeah, that one. I had just cross -trained from maintenance into intelligence. And I was going to my first intel assignment. And I'm flying from Philadelphia to Frankfurt, Germany to run my airbase.

1:52:24Somewhere between Iceland and Scotland, this thing is zipping around in the clouds, doing this Ziggy's Aggie thing. I don't know what he was doing, but he was doing this. The sun was just coming up, and I'm eating a Philly cheese steak. And the other guy's with me is eating a hoagie and the other guy that's standing up over the top. I'm like, anybody know what that is? And they're like, dude, what is that? And then all of a sudden in my head, I'm like, oh, this is my first intel assignment. I'm going to get glued into some cool ass shit. But I don't know what the hell that is, but I'm just thinking that it looks just like that.

1:53:03It looks just like that. And the way it was moving in the clouds, it was like, because of shadow, it was like going from that color to dark, and then light again as it was moving in. And it would go into a cloud on one vector and come out on another vector. And I'm like, what is that? So I didn't know what was going on. So I called James back, I was like, dude, dude, where is this? Talk to you, you know, we're all excited. And he goes, explain to me everything. And what happened was I got to my unit, and I talked to them and I go, we have a weapons tactics guy. He's, you know, they're the best of the best in their leading the group.

1:53:39And I was like, so what is that thing out there? And he goes, I have no idea what you're talking about. Now, this is in January of 1990, that picture is August in 1990. And what I didn't realize was that the Belgian wave, I don't know if you were familiar with that. A whole bunch of triangular devices were seen over Belgian for almost a whole year. So they just called it the Belgian wave. Police officers saw it, they launched F -16s after them, whatever. Are there photographs of that at all? No, but the general that's in charge actually gave a briefing to everybody and showed what the F -16 radar was seeing.

1:54:15And I guess every time they tried to get close to it, it would just pull away just far enough, you know, that they couldn't catch it. And then when they would try to cage it in the radar system, it would move to the left and you know, it was playing with them. So, but I didn't know any of that. So I just kind of was like, yeah, okay, I'm stupid. Maybe it was part of my imagination, but what I saw as a kid kept coming back into my head. So, dead -distoring happens, whatever. And I'm at my base and British AWACS shows up. And they're looking at me and they're, I still had my accident, my British accident.

1:54:52They're looking at me going, what are you flying with the yanks for? And I'll go, what do you mean? They said, you know, and I told them my family thing. They said, why don't you come fly with us? I'm like, sure, let me ask my boss. My boss says, you ain't got nothing going on. Go fly with them. So we're flying around and finally I go, I go, hey guys, uh, what's that thing in the sky that does the Ziggy's Aggie thing? Do you know what I'm talking about? And they're like, you know, and I was like, no, I don't know, don't play with me. And they're like, come on, look, you know. And then finally they pull out this tape and they plug it in and it shows Europe all the aircraft flying around.

1:55:32And you see this thing go through the middle of it real fast. Like all the other aircraft, the sweep of radar, you just seen these minute movements. This thing is like, it's gone. And I was like, who's that? And they go, you know, I was like, look, stop playing with me. You know, right? Kind of find out. They said, well, that's your RSR 71. And I was like, well, that ain't him. And they're like, okay. And then he looks at the other guy and he said, show him the other one. And they show me this radar scoping in. And this time there's a target in the middle, not in the middle of the screen, but off to the side.

1:56:05It was like, could have been like East Germany or whatever. But every sweep of the radar, he was somewhere else. And I was like, that guy, I was so excited. I said, that MF right there. Yeah, who's that guy? And they go, you know, I'll look, stop this. I don't know. And they finally said, we don't know either. They said, we just assumed it was you Americans playing with us. We don't know. It's what happens a lot of times. Yeah, we don't know. I never experienced that too. Everything's America if they can't explain it. Right. Did you see the Trump administration address the drones today? We heard about it, but I didn't see it.

1:56:41Yes, I had a friend tell me they made an announcement, but we were getting in the car at the time. Essentially, they said it was all hours. And there was some sort of scanning that was done that was approved. And the other ones were hobbyists. And some sort of tests that they were doing. But they were saying that it's hours, which is. Very the whole thing stinks. It does. Because I actually had. I actually had. A person that was up there and that she said one of those things came down low and slow over her house. And she said it had the sound of a helicopter. So she was like, her and her husband were like, oh, you know, it's a helicopter.

1:57:23But then all of a sudden they realized she said, Mr. Logan, were you ever aircrew? I said, yeah, I was in special ops and I fell in helicopters and da da da da. And she goes, when it came down low, it had the sound of a helicopter. But you couldn't feel it. And I go, huh? She goes, you know, when you can feel the road awash and it's hitting me in your chest like, boom, boom, boom, boom. She said there was none of that. She said it came down slow, low over her house. And then it went back up and then she said it looked like it went back into formation with something else. And she said, that's not any drone I know of.

1:57:56And she said, it sounded like the actual noise of the helicopter. And several of the other noises from the drones were all pre -recorded. Just to make them sound like they were conventional aircrew. And those are the same things I've been hearing too. There's a lot of people who are shoving videos at me a lot in their descriptions of things. And some of the stuff, you know, looked like maybe it could be a spotlight from a helicopter. And then when the light moved, then you could finally see the helicopter behind the light. Then there was these other ones that was like, this is really weird. My friend Mark saw one.

1:58:30Mark Norman, how did he describe it, Jamie? He said it was triangular, right? I just remember I'm saying SUV -sized. Yeah, he said it was a size of an SUV. He said it was triangular. He said it moved really fast. So when they initially came out, they said, oh, they're all manned. All right. I think it was John Kirby, the speaker. And I used to work at the FAA. So my first thing was, well, if they're a man, you just call them up and say, cut it out. Right. Simple. Right. But he kept going on. And then later on, there was a report that DHS said, oh, one of the drones has come down in a mall parking lot.

1:59:08But DHS is assessed. It's just a regular drone. So when you hear that, what are you thinking? DGI, Mavic, something small, whatever, Duaiky. So one on X is on a train going behind that exact same spot. And they show a drone next to two police cars. And this thing is as big as the police car. And I'm like, so I have no way of confirming if that's the, what he's, what it really was. Right. But I have no reason to believe that this particular person was leaving. He said, he goes, I don't know what you guys are thinking, but I'm passing that mall right now and take a look. And it's like a, maybe a 30 second clip or something.

1:59:50And you see this thing. It's as big as the SUVs. So. And what does it look like? It, it looked like, kind of like a gondola with, like, large, um, um, blades on the, on the four corners. And so it looks like a very large conventional drone, very large conventional drone. And so I'm sitting there thinking, was this a test that nobody knew about? It was, you know, what, what is going on? Right. And nobody got any answers. So. Well, the other thing that is the stay in the sky for like five hours at a time. That's what puzzles me is that that takes industrial size. Power generation. What are you using?

2:00:32Like, what is that thing using? Jamie, can you see the, if you're right, cold fusion? Can you find the video of the disclosure today? It was, uh, yeah. Well, while he's talking about the disclosure, the one thing I do want to mention is, when I talked to the, to that A wax group, I thought it was kind of interesting because I said, so how many know about this? And he goes, the whole squadron knows about it. And I was like, what? He said, yeah, but we just don't talk about it because people lose their jobs over this. And I was like, I've heard that. And I was like, so this is an A -wack. And I said, am I to assume that if you're British A -wacks, then American A -wacks can see it, French A -wacks can see it, NATO A -wacks can see it.

2:01:16And he just kind of, yeah. And everybody doesn't know what it is. No one's talking about it. And everybody just says it's got to be American. Let's hear what this lady says. And before I turn to questions, I do have news directly from the President of the United States that was just shared with me in the Oval Office, from President Trump directly, an update on the New Jersey drones. After research and study, the drones that were flying over New Jersey in large numbers were authorized to be flown by the FAA for research and various other reasons. Many of these drones were also hobbyist, recreational, and private individuals.

2:01:53That enjoy flying drones. And meantime, it got worse due to curiosity. This was not the enemy. A statement from the President of the United States to start this briefing with some news. Part that gets me as the hobbyist being included in that is like, Well, they definitely were hobbyist too, because there was hobbyist in Austin around that time. There was a ton of drones. And it's like people were like, whoa, it's a drone party. Everybody was like, everybody with drones is just flying them around. So, okay, well that kind of makes sense. It kind of makes sense, because it's so much drone activity.

2:02:29Here's the thing that I got to look at it from an analyst, one of you, the first thing that came up, I was like, so they knew this the whole time. Why couldn't they have said that from the very beginning? It's a different administration. Right. Right. And then too, why were they required to have a skiff briefing on drones? Nobody's ever answered that. At one point, Congress guys all went into a skiff and got a skiff briefing on drones. And then they didn't have a press conference about the results. Right. Which would have been, could it be that they wanted to see what happens when you fly things over a metropolitan area and you fly a bunch of drones over highly populated parts of the country?

2:03:12I mean, a few reasons why I would say that you'd include both federal and hobbyist drones in any kind of an activity. And there's only four reasons. Well, the hobbyists are including themselves, right? Yeah, and that could just be that they're accidentally there. But the feds, what were they doing? Yeah. And why would they have a skiff? That's my point. It's something people that don't know what we're talking about. A skiff is a place for information above secret. And it's a special compartment at intelligence facility where we can go in there and talk about things that are above a bunch of drones.

2:03:43And there's no recording devices. No phones, no nothing. Just right. But the thing is this. I mean, most of us that are in the intelligence community or whatever, we're going to look at it and say something's not quite right here. Because this is something domestic happening over the US. So would it really require a skiff? Especially if it's authorized. Right. So would it really require that level of security to go on and have these guys talk? It just doesn't make any sense. The federal presence to me dictates the fact that if this was innocuous and unclassified, like you were saying, why was there not a press conference that described it and said the hobbyists are out there flying to and they're just kind of interfering with our lanes where we go and fly normally between one place to another.

2:04:39That never came out. So why was the skiff even mentioned that's something that they did release in the presses that they were receiving briefings that were in a classified environment? And then there's still the problem with these drones popping up all over the world, especially over military facilities. And that part's not been addressed. It's just the other stuff that they, you know, right, that was right, Patterson Air Force Base, how to get closed down, right? Right, Patterson Langley Air Force Base, there's others, and then there's reports of stuff in Australia. There's reports of things that other places in the world.

2:05:16Let me ask you this and tell me if this makes sense. If you were the government and you knew that there were non -human intelligence that were operating vehicles above our cities, would a way to sort of obfuscate that to launch a bunch of our drones as well and have some shit that you could explain and then tell people, don't worry about it. It was just drones. It was our drones. Like, see, here's our drone. Here's a drone that crashed. Look, it's got propellers. Normal drone. Yeah, it's big, but it's normal. You have no idea how many people have said that already. Yeah. Yeah. You're going in the direction.

2:05:51Yeah, you've heard that one. You've heard the other theory. They're looking for a dirty nuke. Right. They're looking for HVT. That one's okay. This shit out of me. Yeah, I did too. Honestly, I thought that's what it was about. But then they have what, looking for HVT's like, anti -terrorism, looking for terrorist groups. Because we were, I think at that time, it went through the press that there was over 1 ,000 of these de -hadas that were in our midst. We don't know where they're at. Right. You know, kind of, maybe they're looking for those. So those are, so those are just some of the theories that you come up with with this kind of a scenario.

2:06:22And then there was the guy, you know, the congressman that said, oh, there's an Iranian mother ship out there and we were like, what? You know, in the ocean. Yeah. Yeah. None of this stuff was making any sense. And then you have to wonder where was he getting his intel? Because if it's that crappy, those people need to be fine. Well, you had to take another thing into the calculus and that is wasn't this worldwide. I mean, then we got reports from China even that this stuff was happening. Right. And they don't just have hobbyists flying stuff around in their country. Maybe they don't, right? Maybe they have a much tighter control over their media so they don't have to obfuscate.

2:06:59They don't have to trick those. That's one part that I find very confusing is just like if it's happening in Europe and China and all these other places, what really is going on? Well, it could have just done a no -dem and just said, hey, we're going to be doing a test in this area. Don't want to scare anybody, whatever. But we're just going to test in this area. If it's just hours. Yeah. Right. But if it's not hours and there's a bunch of shit flying around there and we want to confuse people, wouldn't you have a bunch of conventional drones and fly them low or city so people could clearly see it?

2:07:29It could have been done a totally different way and not had all this hub up going on. So, yeah, you're right. But why would you, if you know the truth, why would you leave the Americans afraid of what's flying over their head? I think they're still, it look, assuming you guys are completely accurate about all this. If they have had this information for a long time, I would assume that there's a lot of pressure to never release it. I think there's probably a lot of problems with lying to Congress, lying to Congress about budgets and allocation of resources for these programs that are all top secret, like how have you done this?

2:08:07What have you done? Who's responsible? Who made that call? Is that even legal? And who are you that if you've been in contact with non -human intelligence and you have retrieved crafts, who are you to keep that from the rest of the world? Exactly. And speak for the American government for that if you're not a fish part of it. Right. Especially if you're not officially, I mean, you don't have the clearance to do what you're doing. Right. I mean, they're making decisions for the entire human race. Not just America, but the whole race. And that's what my beef was when in the film when James Fox asked me about that, well, why are you doing it, you know, kind of a thing?

2:08:43And I was like, well, I feel like this is the right of every man woman in child on the face of the earth to know the truth about we're not alone. That has nothing to do with the weapon systems and the classified parts that I know of. But the fact that we're not alone shouldn't that be something that everybody should be invited to make their own decision on? Yeah, I would imagine that. But I would also imagine if you wanted to keep your job, but if you have a high intelligence clearance and you're working for the government and you're a long time career employee of the government, you want to keep moving up the ladder and keep your fucking mouth shut.

2:09:15Right. And that's where people have to make that decision on their own that, you know, have they seen enough malfeasance to want to report it or not. And they're going to throw their whole life into it, Tizzy, if they do that. And that's what happened to me, yep. Yeah. And what has it been like since then? Have you gotten support from more people than you thought you would or have more people thrown you on the bus than you expected? I actually feel more support than I expected. I've made it through. It's not been easy financially for me. When they messed with my clearance, like, haven't gotten the job since.

2:09:53I've been out of work since August of last year. So that's not been fun. Was there reason why they said they messed with your clearance? No, they just made it sound like, oh, it's just an administrative error. Sorry. Yeah, we still have your clearance here. Everybody that wants to employ me, I've had very quite a few employers want to hire me. And they say, yeah, we can see your clearance over here. It looks like DOD is trying to reactivate it. But month by month by month, it just sits there. And they won't pass it to the employer. Somebody is just sitting there going, oh, another request for Jason.

2:10:31My delete. That's what's happening. Because you've stepped down a line. That's what it feels like to me. Logan, have you experienced the same kind of situation? No, no. He's in a different class than me. He's an official whistleblower. Me, I just step forward to say that I don't think we need the government to do this. I think we as the public need to do this. And I created an app to do that. I was hoping that... What is your app? My app is called FINA. It's an app to report UAP, paranormal and cryptid events. And the idea is that we can get multiple people to see the same thing recorded. And then look for the outliers and get people like Jacques Valle and Dr.

2:11:17Eric Davis and how put off another's, the graybeards to look at it and say, okay, here's what we can figure out. You know, Gary Nolan and all these people. Let's get them the information that they need. And then after we get them the information they need, let's get it out to Academias so we can have kind of like a more organized approach to finding out what's going on. I wanted people to use my app on the drones. Some people did, but not enough. And I had a little bit of a problem because when I put it out on Android, there was only one other app that was close to it that was in the same name.

2:11:53Go back there, there's like almost 10 apps with the same name. So people didn't know what was going on. They're getting confused. But anyway, to answer your question about the support, yes. I do get a lot of support. There's people like, you know, Stephen Deener, there's Diggie Fernow and Tom Thompson, there's UFO Sarah that's on X. There's a ton of people that I can mention that not let alone how much support James Fox has thrown at me. That's what's getting me through this. How many different versions of these life forms have been discussed with you? On mission, I can say three, I know of two mainly tall whites, graze, those are the main.

2:12:35The tall whites like this one that you encountered, the one with the big eyes. Yes, yes, like that. That wasn't at all you said. Right, but apparently, according, have you seen the video for Mr. Hall, the guy that was supposed to be the weatherman and actually interfaced with the tall whites? No, yeah, I totally believe. I've seen too much, but anyway, he says he's co -sending it out of my brain. I can verify the fact that what he said about his position there as a weatherman, that he could walk around anywhere he wanted to, because that's what the base commander told me when I got my orientation drive through on Dreamland, and he mentioned the weather site, and that that person does not can walk wherever they want to.

2:13:13And what did they report? Well, just what Mr. Hall? Yeah, he says that the tall whites go through a growth cycle where they're kind of normal height, but they're very long -lived, they live like 800 years or more. But when they start getting older, then they get very tall, like, 7 -8 -foot tall, and then they begin to, you know, their bodies begin to not function properly, and they die. Kind of like somebody who has a growth problem. Oh, look at giant. Exactly, and their vital organs just can't pump enough anymore. Can I go large dogs that die early because of that heart problem? Right, so the guy that I saw was probably a young person, you know, probably only like 70 years old or something like that, which is kind of a natalism to them or a young adult.

2:13:59Oh, okay. So, um, and this was explained to him through some sort of telepathy? Well, he would actually, as the weather, if you listen to that video, I really encourage you to do that, but Mr. Hall also published some books on it, but he claims that what he was there at this one place that, you know, I can verify it's there, that on the other side of that mountain or that hillside, that's where the trail goes off into where the tall whites are apparently have been given an annex of land to live, where they don't get bothered. I mean, it's part of the military complex. Yeah, on Google Earth. There is parts of it, yeah.

2:14:38Can we like look where the tall whites live? I tried to, yeah, I'd have to get my laptop out, but yeah. What does it look like? It does look like there's some circular patterns that does look like there's some possibility that there are some, like, doors inside the mountain that is, it looks like it's camouflage to look like it's part of the mountain side. So, the idea is that that's a base for them when they visit us? Yeah, because apparently, the Corning, Mr. Hall, they come here for a five -year stint, I guess, and they have to refuel and then they have another ship come through and the other ones refueled, and it takes up.

2:15:14So, they're closer in the evolutionary chain to us than some of the other ones? Yeah, that's my assumption. Yeah, now, the other third type that got mentioned on mission was reptilians. But every time that they were mentioned, it was really quickly hushed up by whoever else was on the other end of the line. Shut up, don't say that is what they were doing. They don't want to talk about the reptilian presence at all. They would talk about the tall whites and the gray is being in the lab of the garments. Not a lot, but some, but these reptilians was like nobody wanted to talk about it. Was there any sort of an explanation that anybody give you of why they don't want to talk about it?

2:15:53No, the only time I got any inkling was that when I was out of the program and other people started to talk to me about all the different things, they're like, well, how many races are there? I don't know. But some people talked about the reptilians and they're like, do you realize that these are evil? I had to listen to that. The thing is, we don't know if it's because of their appearance. You know, you would assume something that's reptilian is maybe a demon or whatever, an anordic way the blonde hair blue eyed is considered like an angel or is it that's just our perception. But that's what you hear.

2:16:27Well, every reptile here is evil. You ever see a commoto dragon eat a goat? It's the horrific. Yeah, the different. They're fucking monsters. Every single reptile is a monster. It's here. There's not one cuddly reptile you can hang out with, cuddles with you. He brings you your newspaper in the morning. Yeah. I thought that was funny because the lady was like, my snakes sleep with me every night and the guy says, no, it's laying next to you because it's sizing you up for eventually. Yeah, it's going to eat you. I like it. One day's going to eat you. You have a monster that you feed. And as long as you keep feeding, it won't eat you.

2:17:03Yeah. People with like pythons repess their own. To give it some credibility, I did do some research after that person talked to me because I did see that there is a reptilian race that is very maligned like that. And they even have, according to what I read, this one race has a penchant for blood for some reason. It's like a shark frenzy with them. They have a real reptile. It's a euphoric experience for them. Yeah, a reptilian race, it does that. It just makes you wonder about human history, about the stories of demons and angels. And this is what Tucker Carlson believes that they've always been here.

2:17:40And that this idea that they're coming from another planet is not, it's not that simple. No. That's more complicated. And he thinks that it's the demons and the angels from the Bible. Yeah. So they could be seen that way. But here's something that someone, we were just talking and throwing ideas at each other. He said, if humans have actually been on the earth, like say, this long. All right. When the dinosaurs were here, they were like, this long. So is it possible that some of them could have evolved to a certain point, know that something bad is going to happen? They're so advanced they go off -world and then they come back and go, hey, what happened here?

2:18:17Or is there a place where the, the, the, the, the Yukaton impact never happens? And so those dinosaurs eventually evolved to become super intelligent. Yes. Because remember back in the day, there used to be an Omni magazine. All right. One of those hypotheses was if mammals like us hadn't shown up, what we, we have looked like. And it shows a lizard walking upright and doing, you know, everyday things that - But he wouldn't you think that it would have done that already? Like they were around for like 100 million years, 200 million years. Yes. Like in that time period, they didn't evolve at all.

2:18:54Those fuckers are just kept eating each other. That's the assumption. Right. We're going back and looking at all kinds of different things. Like they said that maybe it wasn't the asteroid that took out the dinosaurs. Maybe it was a combination of things like there was some kind of mutation, something that they drank in the water and it's all at the same time. Maybe the asteroid was the catalyst to start it. And then all these other things that happened after, you know, fireball, all the other stuff. But if there was a group that was so advanced that they could sit there and go, that's an asteroid.

2:19:28It's going to kick our butt. We better get to our car earlier. Or let's go under, you know, because there's some lizard looking things I can go underwater and do their thing. The underground that kind of thing, yeah. Because I heard a story. Oh, I know. Heavy. Anyway, you heard a story? Yeah. Okay. I just heard a story that someone just said, imagine this. The aliens are coming down. There's another society here that lives on the ground, highly advanced. And they like to keep things the way they are. So they're going to direct all their energy to make sure that the alien, the any child that we're seeing are paying attention to us and not them.

2:20:05I was like, yeah, but see, for me, the way I look at all this reptilian presence is just like I've read in the Bible, you know, that for some reason, I feel like this whole experience I've had in my life actually increased my faith in the Bible and God. Because even in the Bible, it mentions the serpents and that Lucifer being the head of that genre or species did cause the fall of mankind and all this other good stuff. So to me, I feel like I've just got experience with the reality of the fact that these things exist. And even though they try to keep it all hidden, that I got exposed to the program where I could see some of it.

2:20:52And I think that there's some credence also to that side of it as well. So to give credence to the whole thing is just to say that I, that's what I believe, but at the same time, it wasn't there. This ebony thing that you talked about initially? Yeah. This creature? What did that thing look like? They didn't really describe the ebony. They didn't? Nope. They just said that it was just like them reporting on something for that day. So it was kind of like a daily thing with them. So they had already described it. You just weren't privy to it. And so they were just, yeah, the assumption that everybody was talking about.

2:21:26Yeah. It's kind of like, you know, somebody asked me what you look like today. After the first time they asked me, they're never going to ask me about that again. So it was like, it was just not a panic. So this ebony, was it here against its will? Was it here to, in actual? It was imprisoned. It sounded like an interrogation result, as we'll sound alike. If you hear the stories, they make it sound like he was one of the survivors and he got stuck here. And he started working with us and eventually he died in the natural causes. But it's all speculation because we're, you know, we're hearing all this stuff that we don't have any way to verify.

2:22:05And how many other stories that are similar to that, like the interactions and a thing being here with us, have you heard?

2:22:15There's another one that actually escaped from captivity. Yo. But he actually convinced his interpreter or his interrogator to help him escape because the program was trying to get him to open a portal for them. And they wanted to control of it. And the guy eventually, the interrogator actually pushed him into the portal and had seriously gave him back to his own home world and it ended that guy's career probably. A portal. And what kind of portal are we talking about? You're talking like it's kind of like a way of opening a wormhole that you can control. And did they say where this thing was accomplished and how?

2:23:00I think it was also in reticulate. I think it was another being from the reticulate system. Right, but the portal. Where's the portal? How is it accomplished? No, the portal, I thought, it's trying to think where was that call from and to because you always get the originating location, but you're always trying to figure out who the distant end is. Trying to think all the parameters because you have to write down the phone number and everything sometimes. It sounded like it might have been on the Pacific Northwest or the West Coast area is where this was taking place. And did they say how the portal was made?

2:23:38Was this made by them? They had recovered parts of one and they were trying to complete it and they were trying to get this being to help them complete the portal so they could use it for their advantage. Like a real stargate. Correct. Yeah. Remember what I was telling you that story about, you know, let's go get Jimmy? Yeah. The rumor that I heard surrounding this was that he convinced his interpreter that if he didn't get back and if he didn't get home really bad things were going to happen. And that guy just kind of felt like, you know, hey, I got kids and whatever. Right, I don't want society to destroy.

2:24:23Right. I thought he had some compassion for him. Yeah. He was working with a for a while. Yeah. So when he got the chance he was just like, you know, get him in there. I can't remember all the things. I think they had to keep this entity tied to a chair or something so he couldn't do anything. And that's why he needed the help of the guy that was the interpreter. He had to push him into the portal on the chair that he was tied to. So the rumors I heard, I didn't hear the portal part. I just heard that he somehow he was able to get him outside. And just as he got him outside, they just showed up above and did a snatching grab and he was gone and next thing you know he's out there.

2:25:02So there's different versions of the story. There's this in versions. I'm just telling you that that's the only other one I've heard that you're mentioning that you want to me to describe that. Right. Was there any other entities that we had captured and had something similar? That's the only other story I've heard. Do you know the Richard Nixon story? Yeah, where he went with Jackie Gleason. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think that's bullshit? Actually not for that time frame. No, I could see Jackie Gleason and Richard Nixon talking some suds down. That data definitely could say. And also Jackie Gleason did become obsessed with UFOs afterwards and even had a house built the shape of a UFO.

2:25:34I remember that. It's a wild looking house that was apparently for sale recently. Yes, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't in palisades, wasn't it? It was in up and down, no, it was in upstate New York. It did look like a, it's very bizarre looking house. Like you see, you're like, why do I want to see Jackie Gleason build it? Want to see it? Yeah. Hold up. Yeah. You look at it, you're like, why would Jackie Gleason build a house like this? But then you hear that story, you go, well, maybe that's why he did it. Maybe because the word was that he had become obsessed with UFOs at one point in his life.

2:26:01And this story came out, I think, as told by his wife. Oh, wow. Yeah. This was Jackson's house. Which is so weird. Yeah. Spaceship like house. Very strange. Very fucking strange. If someone to do something like that, yeah, I would have to believe they had something profound or they were me. I would build that. I have never had a UFO experience in your little or fucking house. I love that house. I kind of like those two. It's like when I'm down at Navarbeach where I have a home down there in Florida, but there's a UFO house down there. Oh, really? Yeah. And it looks just like a UFO. They think there's a UFO house in California somewhere.

2:26:43I think there's one in the hills above. Studio City. I think there's one. There's like a famous UFO house that I think they filmed things. I think it's like on stilts and it looks like a UFO. I mean, people are always going to want things that look like that. It doesn't necessarily mean that the Jackie Gleason, yeah, that one. That's in the Hollywood Hills. It's called the chemosphere. Yeah, that dope. That seems pretty cool. Fucking dope. That's cool. It's shit. But I'd be terrified living in California with earthquakes and it'd be not just the stupid place to live. Yeah, you wouldn't want it as your main house.

2:27:18No, no. That's how you visit every now and then when you want to get drunk. Yeah, let's get drunk at the UFO house. Oh, oh, oh. Appreciate some place. Yeah. Have a party. Have a little cocktail party at the UFO house. There you go. That's exactly how I treat it. Yeah, it's like fun. But um, so the, so the grays, the tall whites, the reptilians, but then there's the mantis too, right? Right. And those are things, honestly, I've had, we've only discussed a part of my life. I've had experiences all the way from three years old on. And even after I was out of the program and I was just working in, in Florida, and I've seen the Delta or triangular craft like three times.

2:27:59And one of those times with my daughter, when we were coming back from her gymnastics class, pretty much just before I retired. What did that look like? It was like the size of a three -story home. But it was pointed and on the top, it was kind of angular, kind of like what you see the F -117 look like where it's angular. It kind of looked like that. It had pale grayish white lights on the underside on the cardinal corners. And then in the back, there was a flat panel that looked like a grill where there was a light, there was like these stack of straight -up lights like fluorescent lights are.

2:28:41That would go to the right and then to the left. And did it make noise? Zero noise. Zero noise. And they're just flying through the air. Yep. Fast. It was going fairly slow. And then when it banked, it turned and then that's when it sped up a little bit. And then I lost it in the trees. Then I saw it two other times. One time was going to work. And the other time was in 2022 when I reached out to some of the program folks that I used to know to tell them, hey, there's a space on the top secret J -Wish computers that they're talking about UFOs. And I pointed them directly to this delta -shaped craft because I was like, I know what this is and I know what they know it is.

2:29:27So I was trying to let them know that you need to look at this imagery that we have our hands on. And ends up they ended up showing up with it. And they showed me flying in flight. They followed me home the next night. And it was right there above my car. And I'm looking kind of like, So this is ours? It's ours. Yeah, it's a hybrid or it's ours. I've always told people. A hybrid meaning? Well, here the whole thing is that in the 90s, I know they were on mission with me at Wright Pat. And we saw a delta -shaped craft. It had different missiles at the time or engines at the time. That's what a missile is.

2:30:05And then so this new version looked very similar in shape. However, it had these glowing orbs that looked like they were part of the propulsion system. So they had upgraded part of it. And now it looked fully functional and operational because back in the 90s, it was not. So this is the other thing that I keep hearing is that we are in possession of technology. That is many, many years ahead of anything that anybody could anticipate. Right. And when we get that, I call that exotic material and or whatever you want to call it. But we get our hands on that and about every 10 years, we get a breakthrough on it.

2:30:42Because we do study it and sometimes somebody is smart enough to figure something out. And the next thing you know, we've got fiber optics. Or we've got cell phones. And we've got transistors. Now we're in nanotech. You know, where all this stuff come from is some of this part of this NHI presence and that they've taken a patent that was developed inside the program. And now these people from Lockheed in Northrop are patting this stuff and then making lots of money on the outside. Other than the beings that we described, are there other ones that people have talked about? Yes, I've actually, like I said, as a young adult, I probably encountered more of a spiritual sense, but they were Nordic looking.

2:31:25You know, platinum here kind of a look, blue eyes. Like the tall whites are different? No, different. They, how many documented different species have you heard of? If I'm talking about my mission days, it's only that handful. And then if you're talking about other things that I've had other people tell me about, I think I've heard enough from enough people that I trust that I think are a concept of life in this universe is totally off. I think there are literally trillions of other life forms. And anything you can imagine is probably true. So that's an interesting thing because I always, one of the things that I wondered when we used to talk in the task force was if this is the, you know, where the alpha species here on earth.

2:32:12So what if what we're seeing is the alpha species from another planet? Think about what other critters and other things are running around. And maybe if we see something wild and crazy over here, what if it's somebody, you know, who's got a dog like psycho? Something goes, you know, what was that? You know, we just don't know. So we can speculate in everything and build all these hypotheses up. But we're constantly looking to add to what we think is out there. So we can figure out going, here's what we figured out. Here's what we have. Now, is the conventional explanation that these things are from other planets?

2:32:52Or is there speculation that they're interdimensional? Is there speculation that they live in the water? Yes. All of that. All the above. I would say that the way they appear and disappear is interdimensionalism. That you and I've had other friends that have had encounters that have talked to me that they could see a larger craft and then it turned and all of a sudden there was a door opening and a creature coming out. And yet this other part of the craft seemed to be like a long way off. So it's like interdimensionally large, however, you know, when it turns, it's not like our four dimensional world.

2:33:33I've heard of a craft that you go inside of it and it looks like a couple hundred feet on the outside. You go inside of it and it's big enough. All field. Yeah, Dr. Houdes though. Because it's going into this other dimension and there's actually more space to that. Yes. And that's what the sky was describing. So we've all heard that too. The other thing too about the dimensional thing, because of the speeds that they're moving in, it could be that they're moving so fast. It looks like they slipped into an dimension. Because sometimes you'll see these things go off into the sky and then do some weird whatever and then they're gone.

2:34:09And then other times what you're seeing is this thing is moving slowly and then all of a sudden it's gone. And you're like, did they just slip into it and then the mentioner is that they're just speed so fast that you can't track it with your eye. I have heard, yes, I've heard people tell me that they were seeing some of these things moving at 16 ,000 miles per hour plus and we're still accelerating. I've never been able to verify that obviously. But these are some people that seem to know what they're talking about. They just kind of come forward. I would just have, when I was on the test force, I would just get a phone call and they said, hey, are you Mr.

2:34:49Logan?

2:34:54Check your email in about five minutes or, hey, there's something I want to tell you. I have no way of verifying it. But the idea would be to put it in a little box somewhere to say, hey, this is an unknown and maybe someone like Jason would come along and verify what this guy just told me or verify what I just saw in a video that maybe he can corroborate on. We would look at primarily for the task force, we were looking at the safety of the pilots because they were having so many problems and they kept filling out all those safety reports. You know, so we're like, and I remember asking the task force director, Jay Strenel, and I was like, what about all the commercial stuff that's going on?

2:35:37And he says, I want to incorporate that, but I can't because with their stuff, we don't have a good chain of custody on what's happening and if someone's manipulating the data with the stuff that's coming directly from the pilots we can. So I was always looking at what the pilots told me they saw. And then me and several others in and outside of the task force were looking through the commercial stuff to see if we could find the same exact thing. Because that's how I, when I first got it pulled into the task force, it was, I had talked about my app and I was going to do this just to figure out just something for a hobby when I get older, you know, when I grow up.

2:36:18And then Lou Elizondo came out with Leslie Keenan, their story, and I went and found Lou. And I said, if you're serious about what you're talking about, stop by my office because I just wanted to see if he could do it. And he showed up with the gang and they presented their story about the pilots and everything. And we were like, okay. And I said, well, what about this weird thing over here? And they're like, how do you know about that? And I was like, I got friends in low places. Kind of like you. And they looked at me and they said, don't worry. That one's, we've been told that something mundane is nothing important.

2:37:00And I was like, I beg to differ. And I was able to show them a video of the same thing, seeing somewhere in the world through civilian stuff. And I remember when they were leaving after they heard everything. And all of a sudden, Lou just turns back to Rana because you're in. And I was like, in what? And he goes, you'll see. And next thing you know, I was in the task force. And for me, I was like, oh, my life just came full circle. I saw some things and now I'm actually going to investigate these things. And so that's how I kind of pressed ahead. And then just to add on top of that, remember I said, when Jason showed up, I called David Grush.

2:37:46But the funny thing was, I hadn't even been in the task force that long. And I was trying to look at things all of a sudden I get a phone call. And I'm like, yeah, how can I help you? And he goes, my name is David Grush. Are you serious about all this stuff you're tracking? And I go, yeah, he goes, I want in. And I was like, huh? And he goes, I think I have something that could help with you guys. And I was like, well, I'm not in charge of this. I got to introduce you to, you know, a Stratton and company. And so I introduced him and every now and then I would say hi to him and we'd talk and he called me on the phone.

2:38:28But who else? I mean, I'm going to Stratton. I'm going to all the people in the task force. And he pops up and I'm like, oh, my God. You know, what do you do with that? You know, right? I don't have the resources to get invited like he did. Yeah, I didn't have the resources to check out everything that he did. One of the things that we keep hearing Christopher Mellon's talked about this, many people talked about this is there is evidence that's been classified that is high resolution video and photographs that are very distinct, very different than some of the blurry stuff that we've seen. Have you guys seen any of that?

2:39:03Yep. Yes. You have. Can you talk about it? Nope. All I can say is that there's some really, really good, clear. High death stuff out there that can't explain. You can't explain. You're just sitting there going. We went through the whole rigour on these objects. You had people on one side of the fence, people on the other side of the fence, people in the middle of it all. And nobody could draw. The first thing we're trying to do is go, okay, could that be Russia? Could that be China? Okay. Who else is there? And you go through your whole list. Then once you put that off to the side, you go through now.

2:39:44What are we observing? And some of the things, like Lou said, the five observables plus the six, which is the psychological effect on that. But you're kind of going through those, looking for all those. They're not always there. But they're super clear. And some of them, you're like, how, I mean, you're looking at it and you just keep saying, how can that be? Yeah, because you've got, also you've got to understand that these are professionals. We had imagery analysts go through looking for false positive, like camera artifacts that look like something they're not. They can do AI analysis of images now.

2:40:21They're pretty accurate. Exactly. And we had a whole database of all these false positives to go through. And it wasn't matching any of that. We were going through the imagery analysis of the video, looking for flaws, like artifacts, couldn't find anything. And you're talking about a high resolution video. Yeah. Much clearer than the stuff we're seeing. Exactly. And what's the resistance to that stuff getting out there to the general public? It's just classification. It could be where it's at those type of things. It could be anything. Yeah, because one of the things that I think the community really gets hung up on when it comes to the intel community is that the classification is one thing.

2:40:54But when you don't know if something is a threat, you automatically assign a value to that as being credible or not credible. And right now they can't draw a conclusion. Therefore, they don't want to declassify it. And therefore, it will not be divulged in public because of those reasons. I was telling him, in my first thing, as an intel analyst, to go through a friend or foe. Right. And then the next thing I'm trying to do is, you know, break down all the characteristics. And we would sit there and you're looking, when I first joined the task for, sorry, I remember there was a group that I used to walk in their office because they're, smarter than me, you know, so I want to make sure I'm getting the best input.

2:41:37And the first couple of times I showed up, everybody pulled out the aluminum hats, they put it started playing the X -Files music. And I'm like, okay, guys, but what about this? And I throw it out there and they're like, oh, yeah, what is that? After about the fourth or fifth visit, no more music, no more, I come in, everybody's already hunched over what I've already sent them. They're like, yeah, what is that? Because we would, J. Stratton asked us to, he said, lean forward and get out there and, and you use an all -source approach to looking and gathering all the information on what we can find.

2:42:12So I would capture like, I'd call up a drone guy and say, I need you to come to my office, take a look at this. And he would look at it and he's like, holy crap, how big is that? What? How? And I was like, yeah, I need answers. Can you take a look? And he would, Logan, I'll get back to you a couple of weeks later, he's like, dude, I got nothing. And then, you know, we would have an imagery guy look at it and, you know, sometimes they could sit there and say, dude, that's this. If you had one piece of footage or image to release, would there be one that really stands out? Like, if you said, if they said, look, you could release this one, just one of these classified high resolution videos.

2:42:56Is there one that really stands out as being unique? It's a group for me. Can you describe any of it? I think Lou Elizondo described one. There's the story that he talks about, I think, Commander Fraver discusses about the torpedo. Do you remember that one where the story is that they were launching torpedoes and, you know, they blew the bowels on the torpedo. The torpedo came up to the top and the divers came to hook the torpedo. And just as they were about to hook it, something very large, like an island, came up underneath them. All right. So I got this weird call. And it's, you have to play devil's advocate because when you're trying to tell guys that they were, they were the observer and you're trying to say, hey, well, you know, it could have been this.

2:43:56Some of these guys get downright angry. They're pissed because you're questioning their ability to discern what's going on. They were you weren't, you know, so you've seen something life changing. Right. So you have to be careful because after a while, nobody will want to talk to you again because, oh, Logan's an asshole because he's telling you know, right. So you're very careful. So this guy just sends me this thing. And I'm looking at it and I just maybe a couple of weeks before I'd heard this story with Fraver and Elizondo. So I'm like, what is this? And there was this, all I can say was there was something very, very, very large moving under the water, but not, not too far that you can't see it.

2:44:40But it's moving under the water and it's passing objects that I know are really large and this thing is bigger than them. Right. And I'm sitting there going, well, I think they mentioned one of them and that was the world tanker one. Yes. Yeah. That one confused the hell out of me. And there were people saying it was just a shadow that someone was going 500 knots. Yeah. But some people were saying it was just some kind of a round object that the sun is just making a large shadow of the moon going across the face. But they did another analysis and they looked at the wave tops and they're like, this is not a shadow otherwise we show up on the wave tops.

2:45:15This is under the surface. And this thing is disturbing the water underneath it. This thing made this oil rig out in the ocean look adorft it. I mean, this was like three or four times bigger. So the speculation is that they're hiding in plain sight in the water or is the speculation that there's always been a civilization down there. I would say in my opinion, yes. No, in my opinion, I would say that they have been here a very long time in that the certain underneath the ocean and underneath the ground are two of the best places to stay hidden and out of the way of prying eyes. You go out in the boonies somewhere or you go like there's a whole bunch of activity going around around Puerto Rico.

2:45:58Puerto Rico. Yeah, there's a whole bunch of activity that is going on, you know, where the name and since it didn't happen. All right. So there's things that we want to verify because you hear stories about things like you've heard of the Baltic anomaly. All right. So the first thing you want to know is well, first of all, is it actually there? Once you verify that it's there, you want to know what's its composition? What's its composition? All those things. There's another thing on there. You can look it up right now. It's called the Cuban Atlantis. It's supposed to be 13 nautical miles west of Cuba, all right.

2:46:33And it looks like there's triangles and everything else there. And I'm like from the moment that thing came out, I've never heard anybody else say we've been there, we've checked it out, we've verified it. It's there. Let's send a dive team down. The thing on the right there. Yeah, that's under the water. Yeah, that's supposedly 13 miles off the coast of Cuba. Well, that's what we want to know. We want to verify that. That's crazy. You know, whatever that is. Yeah, we're the National Geographic documentary on that. It's that. Wait a minute. Is that for real? Just the one I've never seen that before.

2:47:10All the other ones I'm thinking are fake, but this one up top right there where the thing is click on that Jamie. Yeah, ancient origins. Is it a crackpot site? It doesn't, doesn't give the vibes of a place to start looking for relevant information. Right. There's no vibe. So supposed to be some people doing something coming across the water and they saw it. So could it be that the Caribbean we analyzed this one? Yeah, the Caribbean's hot. And wow. And there's something out there. You know, it eventually goes in the water. Yeah, it's very weird. Even even this one we've we've looked at it. We argued over this for months.

2:47:54How fast is this thing supposedly going? It's not going that fast. It's it's it's a it's kind of quick like a like a lear jet would. But it just looks like it's right in the water. The two things that stick out about it goes in the water. It does. There's no roots. It's going fast in the water. Yeah, there's no roots to tail it comes off it. Right. And the other thing is at one point near the end, it actually looks like it splits in two. There's like ones a holograph on ones. Right. And now there's some other imagery guy that's saying all that he didn't it didn't actually go in the water. It's just a matter of fact.

2:48:25Yeah, see it splits up. Yeah, there you go. See, that's the part that you can't and what do we see with the drones? Some of these are splitting. Yes. And these are the ones that I find very curious because those are the ones that get sent and they're like it's an ore but now there's three of them, you know. How do I explain that? Well listen, I want thank you guys for having the courage to even talk about this because I know it brings with it a lot of ridicule and for people like me that have no idea what's going on. It's very fascinating. And you know a lot more than most. Well, I still don't know anything though.

2:48:56So that's not good. I know more than most. I mean, all I know is what people told me. So I don't know what's real and what's not real, you know. But I appreciate you guys very much and thank you for being here. If you've got social media, tell everybody where they can get a hold of you. I'm on the X -space mainly. Just my name Jason T. Sands is my moniker. Logan, I am a phenom dot earth. Just look it up and you'll see information about my app and a little bit about my background. Okay, and I've got it first in. I'm trying to get further whistleblowers to come forward as well. Okay. James Fox did ask me to pass you something.

2:49:34He said if you could put out a shout out to anybody that has information on the varhemia stuff because he's found some new information and he needs to start corroborating. Oh, okay. Where they get a hold of James. James Fox director, I think, on Instagram. I believe so. And his X -space is also a good way. Okay. All right. Beautiful. Well, thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate it. Thanks for being here. Thank you, Joe. Very good.