In short
The Joe Rogan Experience - Episode #2272: Mike Benz
Episode Overview In this episode of "The Joe Rogan Experience," Joe Rogan interviews Mike Benz, a former official with the U.S. Department of State and current Executive Director of the Foundation For Freedom Online. The conversation delves into the complex web of U.S. government agencies, international policies, and their influence on both domestic and global affairs. Benz highlights the intricate connections between government actions and societal structures, emphasizing the need for transparency and reform.
Key Topics Discussed
- Introduction to Mike Benz
- Background: Mike Benz's experience in the U.S. Department of State and his role as Executive Director at the Foundation For Freedom Online.
- Focus: The foundation is dedicated to restoring free speech and an open internet.
- USAID and Government Influence
- USAID Role: Described as a front for various governmental operations with a focus on international influence.
- Historical Context: Comparison to past covert operations and their impact on domestic and international politics.
- Internet Censorship and AI
- AI Censorship: Concerns about AI being used to censor and control narratives online.
- Weapons of Mass Deletion: Benz's term for AI tools used to silence political movements.
- Governmental Overreach and Covert Operations
- Covert Actions: Discussion on how operations are disguised under humanitarian or development fronts.
- Historical Examples: References to past governmental overreach during the Vietnam War and Cold War eras.
- The Role of Information and Media
- Propaganda Techniques: How the government uses media and propaganda to influence public opinion.
- Independent Media: The term is used deceptively to describe media outlets aligned with U.S. interests.
- Case Studies and Examples
- Zunzuneo: A USAID-backed social media platform in Cuba intended to spur dissent.
- Internews: Organization funded to manipulate media narratives globally.
- Poland's Judiciary: Attempts to influence judicial reform and political dynamics in Poland.
- Music and Cultural Influence
- Jazz and Rock Diplomacy: Historical use of music to influence global perceptions during the Cold War.
- Rap Music: Modern parallels in using music to influence political dissent.
- Challenges and Solutions
- Legal and Ethical Issues: Challenges in addressing government overreach and maintaining democratic integrity.
- Call for Reform: Benz emphasizes the need for reforms to prevent misuse of governmental power.
Key Takeaways
- Complexity of Government Influence: Benz outlines how governmental agencies like USAID operate under the guise of development while serving broader strategic interests.
- Reform and Transparency: The urgent need for reform in how governmental operations are conducted and overseen.
- Cultural Tools for Influence: Use of cultural icons and media as tools for political influence and social engineering.
Conclusion The episode with Mike Benz sheds light on the often opaque operations of government agencies and their widespread impact on global and domestic politics. It calls for a critical examination of current practices and stresses the importance of transparency and reform to protect democratic values and free speech.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:03The Joe Rogan Experience. Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast my night all day. Good to see you. Great to see you. I've been looking forward to this one. Me too. All night I was like, tomorrow is going to be a good one. For you, it must have been very exciting to have the vault opened and to get a peek into the machine because you've been describing this. The last time you were on the podcast, you went into depth about USAID. And it's very curious why they chose USAID as the first organization for Doge to investigate because it seems like they were the ones that resisted the most. Well, you know, the joke that I tell here is it's like what they tell you to do.
0:47Your first day of prison is you go in, you walk up to the meanest, bad SOB and you punch them right in the mouth. I mean, that's basically what's happened here with the White House's first target being USAID. Because USAID opens up the entire world of the blob of the foreign policy establishment and its weaponization of what are supposed to be foreign facing Department of Dirty Tricks operations against domestic opponents. And when it all got opened and you started to see the numbers and the different organizations and NGOs that were getting them, was anything surprising to you or was this all what you expected?
1:23No, in fact, I think we're at the tip of the iceberg and what people are going to see on this is going to completely reorient the mental map of how they think the world works, how they think American power projects into the institutions. And I think the calls for reform are going to get louder and louder. As people realize the reality that's been constructed around them is downstream of something that was started very long ago when American statecraft to manage the American empire for the benefit of the American people began to warp and distort every institution in American life from the media to now the social media companies, to the unions, to the universities and academics, to the NGOs and think tanks, to the prosecutors, to our conception of terrorism, to our conception of activity in the drug trade to our, what we're really doing with public health programs and the medical establishment and what drives that all the way into poverty relief and you name it.
2:39I mean, every institution is instrumentalized by this apparatus, supposedly to help us. But really starting, this has been done in US history before, this happened against the left, against the Democrats in the 1960s and 70s when the CIA and, you know, to an extent, its sister orgs like USA and whatnot were pumping money into domestic politics to stop the anti -Vietnam war movement. And this led to the reforms of the late 1970s, the church committee hearing, the Pike Committee hearing, the establishment of the Senate Intelligence Committee and House Intelligence Committee for oversight. But even that was a very small glimpse into the window.
3:18I mean, the analogy I give here is like the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, you know, the Chronicles of Narnia where there's this whole cinematic universe. You're living in this house and there's this closet in the back of the, you know, of a wardrobe. And if you never walk through it, you never see that whole world. You can live your whole life without seeing it. But when you open that door and you step into it, you see there's an entire other universe here that's been right next to you this whole time. When you first started working for the State Department, did you have any inclination that you were going to get involved in?
3:51Did you have any inclination that this was going on? Like, did you know already? Yeah, definitely. You already knew. Yeah, definitely. I'd already been working on this for many years. When did you first discover it? Around August 2016. I was deeply passionate about the Internet censorship issue. And, you know, I had some weird experiences playing chess as a kid where, you know, I sort of came of age when Gary Kasperoff lost a deep blue. And AI took over, you know, to really took the spirit out of a lot of the chess world. And it was apparent to me as a kid that these AI, these AI chess engines were going to outcompete humans.
4:35But when I was young, the sort of older people in the room were in denial about it. And when I saw that same thing in 2016 with the development of AI censorship super weapons, you know, I call those weapons of mass deletion. That they would be like weapons of mass destruction but for speech. You know, a few lines of code would allow you to destroy entire political movements, governments, narratives. There would be no escape from it. We would permanently change the face of political warfare or domestic politics. You don't need a standing army of 100 ,000 censors. If you just have one, you know, machine learning, you know, just ingested database, you know, of 900 million tweets that you can ingest and then make this sophisticated narrative network map of all the different key words and concepts you want to censor.
5:31And to me, that was like this free speech version or the censorship version of the atom bomb. So I started that quest in 2016 but very quickly that research in the process of trying to write that showed these international networks immediately. I mean, the NLP, the natural language processing sort of backbone of this was all being sponsored by DARPA. And to be able to monitor the speech of ISIS or extremist or terrorist groups. And when I saw that coming home and being advocated here, I dug, I spent my whole day morning, noon night, 20 hours a day basically, chronicling archiving. That's how I know so many of these characters is because I feel like I know them better than my own friends and family having spent so many years watching this all, you know, develop.
6:26What did it feel like being one of the only people that was sound in the alarm for essentially eight years? Like you get involved in 2016 and no one even, the general public, until you came on this podcast, I don't even think we're aware that this was an issue at all. But even then, things got lost so quickly in the cycle of news, things just come and go so quickly. Until Doge started unraveling all the spending. And you start seeing things like $200 million allocated to transgender experiments on monkeys. Like what the fuck? Like this is crazy. And that's just a tip of the iceberg and then the NGOs.
7:09And then that map of 50 ,000 NGOs that was essentially just democratic propaganda. And a machine that was exposed that was all just money being funneled in a circular manner. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. Did you know that my website, jorogan .com is powered by Squarespace. It is the platform built to help you stand out online. With their new design intelligence, you can create a stunning personalized website tailored to your needs. It's like having two decades of design expertise and cutting edge AI in your corner. Need to manage payments. Squarespace payments makes it simple with options like Apple Pay, Clarner, and more.
7:53Try it free at squarespace .com and use squarespace .com slash Rogan to save 10 % off your first purchase. Totally. I mean, it's been exhilarating. There is a sort of, I understand the weight of history here. We are doing open heart surgery on the body of the American Empire. Our influence abroad. And it has to be done well. And so, you know, I want to help the American homeland. And so this is a sensitive process. But, you know, obviously, it's been a bit surreal seeing the past couple of weeks where people are now... I go to my X timeline and I see everyone doing the same exercise that... I gave up everything to be doing eight years ago going into...
8:44You know, because all this stuff is open source. You didn't need to be an inside guy to see this if you knew where to look. These are USASpending .gov. You know, I used to joke as the main difference between... Or was, I think, until Freedom opened up when Elon acquired X. And a few institutional changes began to happen in the government and with Congress. But, you know, I used to joke that USASpending .gov was the main difference during the height of this censorship. You know, total control era was the main difference between us and Russia and China, which was that we have this sort of autocratic control over information and institutions by the US government.
9:23So, today, the difference is we can go to USASpending .gov and look up how they do it. And so, when I've been going to my X timeline and seeing everybody independently doing that exercise and finding the joy in that, the self -discovery process, and being able to share it with people, and everybody being able to understand and make sense of the receipts because, you know, this framework for understanding it has been shared and popularized, that, to me, as has been the goal all along to be able to give people the language and the frameworks to understand what is so terrifying and necessary to reform, but that's right there, you know, in front of your eyes if you only open your eyes to see it.
10:12It's got to be exciting, though, for you to be there on Operation Day when they are doing the open heart surgery. It is. It is. You know, we need to make sure that the patient doesn't die, you know, on the operating table, and just because it's the right move to do the open heart surgery because the patient needs it, doesn't mean that the operation goes well if, you know, if the operating surgeons don't know the anatomy of the organ they're operating on. And so, that I see right now as sort of my prime function is to just teach more and more of the anatomy of the organ so that the people who are operating on the patient, the American homeland and generally speaking, the American influence and power projection into foreign countries comes out better, smarter, a little bit more honest, and there is a hard domestic firewall against our foreign facing dirty tricks.
11:08Criminal penalties against agencies who go against this civil penalties so that you can sue both the agencies and the NGOs who are sponsored, maybe with treble damages in a bill from Congress so that if USAID and whatever form it continues to take, whether that's at the State Department or whether it gets rolled back out into another independent agency that you could sue the agencies as an individual, if you've been, if they've broken that domestic firewall so that there's an incentive at the agency on their own budget to tightly oversee these things, there's so much that can be done to bring this in line in a smarter and more moral and frankly more effective way and that's the task right now.
11:54I think one of the most offensive things to Americans is that all this was being done and all this money was being spent while they were denying money to people that clearly needed it, like particularly victims of natural disasters like Maui, the fact that they're spending all this money on those things and yet they gave those people a one -time check of $770 or something along those lines. Well, this gets to the fundamental heart of the breach of the social contract that this thing was always set up to do. It was really set up in 1948 when George Kenan created this NSC -10 -2, this National Security Council.
12:40We completely reoriented the structure of the American Empire in 1948 after World War II. In 1947 we passed them called the National Security Act, that's what established the CIA, that's what established the National Security Council which coordinates all of our foreign facing empire management work. It renamed the Department of War to the Department of Defense so that it didn't look like we were acquiring territory by military force which had just been banned under international law under the UN Declaration of Human Rights. And so we moved from primarily kinetic warfare into what George Kenan called just two months before he created the National, the plausible deny -ability doctrine that we live under.
13:19He called this organized political warfare and he is a great memo from April 30, 1948. There's just 12 days after the CIA's first operation, first time it ever overthrew or rigged the election of a foreign government. This was the April 1948 election in Italy that pitted a pro -Western candidate against a sort of prosoviet candidate. And so the US State Department felt it was essential to tip the scales of that election because it showed that the prosoviet candidate was winning 60 to 40. This is all declassified and all the major people who are involved in that operation have all come out and said this publicly.
14:01So basically we threw together this ramshackle effort to tilt that election by pumping in propaganda, by using charities and churches as fronts to funnel money into the pro -Western political party. We piped in the Greg Garbo movies and whatnot. We worked with some very un -CD elements of Italian society there. We worked with the mafia and we worked with the mafia -connected unions because these were all assets for the war department during World War II because Mussolini was cracking down on them. So the war department had a relationship with these organized criminal networks to serve as a beach ad against Mussolini.
14:40But we kept those relationships in order to run this pro -democracy regime change thing. So in 1948 when we established the secrecy doctrine that we now live under and all these NGOs work under this cover effectively because of their sponsoring organizations, USAID or CIA or state. And he called it the inauguration of organized political warfare. And what he said is we need to create a covert apparatus to hide what we do from the rest of the world to do secret political warfare on the low. And the problem is is the American people are not going to like this. The American people do not understand the intricacies of international relations.
15:18They think there's always an easy political cure all and they do not understand. They think there's a fundamental difference between peace and war. And what he proposed is, and this is just two months before this before this would formally be given to the CIA to do. But at the time what he said was this was this worked gang busters in Italy. We need to replicate this everywhere. We need to create a capacity to do black propaganda, to do economic sabotage, demolition. There's a whole list of what's authorized under NSC 10 -2. And what he says is the American people are not necessarily going to like this.
15:53And we're going to need to effectively hide what we do from them because if they find out, then the rest of the world finds out. If we're trying to run an operation in Eurasia, and we report this in US News, well then any person in Eurasia who reads US News now knows about it. And so that was authorized at the time with simultaneous with the Smithmont Act, which are you familiar with the Smithmont Act? Is that the 2011 -2012 thing where Obama allowed people to use propaganda against the United States citizens? Yeah, that was what was done then under Obama was the effective repeal of it. It was called the Smithmont Modernization Act.
16:31But the modernization got rid of the whole purpose of it, the firewall. Because at the time the media and media control was seen as the linchpin crux of winning the Cold War, piping in pro -US media influence so that, because everything moved after World War II from kinetic warfare and military occupation, we used to militarily occupy the Philippines, for example, after we won the Spanish American War. But that was banned under international law, territorial acquisition by military force in 1948. So we had to win elections, and we had to influence the passage of laws in foreign countries by having an apparatus inside those countries that influenced the hearts and minds of people, which influenced who they voted for, which then determined the government.
17:22So you had to move towards political vassalage rather than military occupation. And what the Smithmont Act did is simultaneous with the creation of this in 1948. Congress recognized the Frankensteinian monster they were creating by authorizing a covert permanent department of dirty tricks. And this is their phrase, not mine. To do this cloak and dagger, to infiltrate and co -op the universities, the unions, the media, the politicians, the judges, the whole swarm army, you know what I have been calling for a long time. The USAID Truman Show, because these people in these foreign countries have no idea how many things they interact with that are effectively a movie set being constructed by the US State Department and its sister influence orgs.
18:11But the point I'm getting at here is the Smithmont Act in 1948 said, okay, you guys can do this. The US State Department can do this. CIA can do this. USAID when it came along 13 years later could do this.
18:26So there was a guy named Frank Wisner who was known as one of the godfather figures of the CIA. He's known for creating what was called the Wisner's Warlitzer, which was a church organ. And that he would brag that he could play the international media like a symphony to make any media narrative go viral in any country on Earth. Because of the suite of CIA proprietary media functions and its distribution network, especially when the US had first moved for advantage in radio and print. It's basically the US and UK, the only games in town really, and having robust radio, film, TV and print media.
19:02So Smithmont said, okay, you can do that abroad. You can plant fake news stories in France. You can have propaganda blare into Africa or Western Europe or Central Asia. But that can't come home. You can't siop our own people with your propaganda organ abroad. Because the point of authorizing this is that we get cheaper gas. We get import export markets. You know, we get a high standard of living because if a foreign government doesn't want to give up its resources or allow a US military base. Or allow joint partnerships or exports of goods or US multinational corporations to operate there. Then the American people suffer economically.
19:49So it was always designed to say, listen, you can do this dirty stuff abroad, but it can't come home. And even that protection, which lasted for 70 years. And only we only lost it a decade ago. We're up against a much actually deeper, darker problem with this US aid scandal. And as people will see, increasingly, the scandals that will break open at the Pentagon and the State Department. Which is that we have a Smithmont problem for funding and operations. It's not just propaganda. The blob, our foreign policy establishment, can fund groups that effectively work with prosecutors domestically. Or that work at media, you know, dual sort of dual use.
20:36We give them foreign grants to do media propaganda abroad, but they operate here. Or social media censorship to coerce foreign countries to pass foreign censorship laws that explicitly and are intended to attack US social media companies. And in US peer to peer speech. So we need that protection. If we're going to keep this function at all, we need a hard firewall. And absolute grotesque penalties for any. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. Did you know that my website, Joe Rogan .com is powered by Squarespace. It is the platform built to help you stand out online. With their new design intelligence, you can create a stunning personalized website tailored to your needs.
21:18It's like having two decades of design expertise and cutting edge AI in your corner. Need to manage payments. Squarespace payments makes it simple with options like Apple Pay, Clarner, and more. Try it free at squarespace .com and use squarespace .com slash Rogan to save 10 % off your first purchase. This episode is brought to you by Robin Hood Gold. With Robin Hood Gold, you can now enjoy the VIP treatment receiving 3 % IRA match on retirement contributions. The privileges of the very privilege are no longer exclusive. With Robin Hood Gold, your annual IRA contributions are boosted by 3 % plus you also get 4 % APY on your cash in non -retirement accounts.
22:08That's over 8x the national savings average. The perks of the high net worth are now available for any net worth. The new gold standard is here with Robin Hood Gold. To receive your 3 % boost on annual IRA contributions, sign up at robinhood .com slash gold. Investing involves risk. Rate subject to change, 3 % match requires Robin Hood Gold at $5 a month for one year from first match. Must keep funds in IRA for five years. Go to robinhood .com slash boost. Over 8x the national average saving account interest rate claim is based on data from the FDIC as of November 18th, 2024. Robin Hood Financial LLC member SIPC Gold membership is offered by Robin Hood Gold LLC.
23:01The violation. When you're watching all this unfold, one of the things that I've been seeing is that there's been legal action to try to halt some of it. They've been told to destroy any information that they got from certain databases. What's your take on this and whether any of that is going to hold up? 100%. I don't know if it's going to hold up. I think it's going to be a legal dog fight. This is, you know, it's funny because it's sort of a circular drag and eating its own tail. Because you're going after the primary soft power projection organ of the blob because it's been weaponized against Americans.
23:45But what is the blob authorized to do? What is USAID authorized to do under statute? Well, something they call judicial reform, which is USAID poaching funding financially. The networks around judges around courts, around the legal system, around the governance structure of every country on planet Earth. I mean, and Jamie, if you want to just go through a fun exercise right now, you can even put on screen just a simple Google search. So people can see just how open source this is. And I can walk through specific damning examples of this. But if you just type in on Google the word USAID and then in a Boolean quotes judicial reform.
24:27And what you're going to see are, you know, basically 100 countries that USAID is going after the judges, going after the legal system in order to rig the scales of justice in favor of the foreign policy establishments interest there. And this has fully come home. And I can go through some examples of this. For example, there's a group called the OCCRP, which is the corruption reporting project. This is a group that half of its funding comes from USAID and the US State Department. OCCRP has to, the USAID and the State Department have a veto right over the staff that it can hire. This is the largest consortium of investigative journalists on planet earth.
25:20This is the group that broke the Panama papers. You know, they got all these hacked documents. They got special access to it. I don't have any facts on this. I'm simply noting that it's an oddity that a group funded by a major CIA funding conduit, USAID. While the CIA has the ability to hack any target around the world that's authorized by the National Security Council. They're getting these special access documents that are reportedly their hacked or leaked and being sponsored by the group that's connected to something with the hacking power. I don't know that for a fact. I'm simply noting that for investigative purposes for oversight bodies who may want to ask questions.
26:08They've won hundreds of awards. Their name has been so pristine for so long. They've been around for almost 20 years. They do investigative hit piece journalism about corruption. What they do is they go after all of the State Department and USAID and DOD's opponents in the region. For example, Jamie, I text you this beforehand. If the first thing you want to put on screen are the first two images that I texted you. This is from the USA .gov website. I think this will shock people when they see this with the USA .gov URL right there. If you go to the first page that I texted you, then we'll get to this one.
26:56This is the first thing you said. Okay, I'm sorry, the second one then. Here it is. This is USAID's strengthening transparency and accountability through investigative reporting program. What you'll see here is you'll see the life of the activity. This fund is there still being funded through this grant. This is for Europe and Eurasia. You'll see the countries, Eastern Partnership, Armenia, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, and Western Balkans. You just scroll down. You'll see USAID spending. USAID funding is $20 million. $20 million that our taxpayers paid to... Listen, they don't report on kittens being saved from falling out of trees.
27:40Everything they do is a hit piece about an instance of corruption that can be used by prosecutors in the area to arrest the political opponents of the State Department. What you'll see here is capacity. This is the phrase everybody has to know. Capacity building is what this is all build under. That means pumping up the blobs assets. Whenever you see the word capacity or capacity building, it means this thing is useful to us. The more money we give it, the more powerful they are to project our influence. If you go back to that page, which is page two of this USAID, you think, here's what you see.
28:14For $20 million of investment from USAID, here are the... This is live on the website. You can find this in the way back machine right now because the USAID website is down. This is USAID, the US government bragging about the achievements of what they achieved by spending $20 million. At least $4 .5 billion in fines levied against targets of these hit pieces. By the way, I should note that the head of the OCCRP was busted in a major documentary that is very little distribution by encourage everyone to watch, where he said, because this was a year and a half ago or whatnot, but they're up to over $10 billion now.
28:57What's the documentary? It's on the WikiLeaks x -page right now. It's by a group of German journalists who had one on one interviews with the head of this group, OCCRP, as well as the USAID grant coordinator and others. So it's straight from the horse's mouth. He says in that interview, I believe his name is Drew Sullivan, that it's now over $10 billion. And he brags that that is a, I think he said it was a 20 ,000 % return on investment because all these dollars were, quote, returned to government coffers. So for $20 million of mercenary media for the state, state -sponsored hit pieces, the government's got $10 billion back.
Read the full transcript
29:44That's a 1995 Amazon level return on investment. But now let's get into the darker stuff. 548 policy changes by the government or actions by civil society in the private sector. Now we don't know if these policy changes are good or bad. Do you think USAID would list them as accomplishments if they were not in furtherance of USAID's or the state department's foreign policy goals in the region? What they are saying and trying to sort of speak through their teeth as they say it, is that they proudly sponsored hit piece journalism to ruin people's lives and go after political targets in order to change the policies of foreign governments from the inside.
30:33Now it goes on say 21 resignations and sackings, including of a present prime minister. Now the head of OCCRP in this documentary openly says that their reporting caused, I think it was five or six different governments to topple and turn over and be transitioned proudly. So this is state -sponsored media hit pieces so that prosecutors can arrest presidents and prime ministers to regime change their government and install a more pro -US political vassal figure in the region. And then the last one is 456 arrests and indictments. And this again is listed as a USAID achievement. We don't know what these people did.
31:17We don't know whether they're whether they're guilty or innocent or whether or not these were political prosecutions like you see right now with the New York District Attorney's office, which is all another USAID connected can of worms. But these are state -sponsored hit pieces for hire in order to get the give the justice departments, the prosecutors in a region, the ammunition to arrest the enemies of the state. The prosecutors don't have the capacity to do a whole investigative journalism dig. They might not have access to hacked documents that for example the CIA, the NSA, or deeply connected political insiders might be able to give to a group like OCCRP.
31:54Now USAID gets a veto right over who they can hire. OCCRP has to submit an annual work plan to be submitted to and reviewed for approval by the State Department in USAID. And here's the kicker of it all.
32:14OCCRP paid for by us, US taxpayers, dug up dirt on Rudy Giuliani's work in Ukraine. This is because this was part of the 2019 impeachment and Rudy Giuliani and his work in Ukraine. So they went and dug up dirt on Rudy Giuliani, a domestic US citizen and high profile political figure actually attorney to the US president. And then that dirt came home and was used as part of the basis for the 2019 impeachment of the sitting president Donald Trump that would have never happened unless USAID sponsored that those, you know, that hit piece work. And then they did the same thing with Paul Manafort because in the same foreign policy blob that went after Trump in the first place because of his far is difference in foreign policy vision around Ukraine, Russia and other major.
33:04This episode is brought to you by better help. People like to throw around all these red flags, you know, things someone says or does that you don't like, which is fine. But instead of focusing on the negative all the time, why don't we focus on the positive? If you're looking for a romantic partner, think about what traits you like to see in a person. If you like to work out in stain shape, you might want to find someone who's also health conscious. Or if you like to travel, you probably want to find someone who's just as adventurous. Now, once you're in a relationship, it's a whole different ball game and things aren't always going to be perfect, but that's what therapy is for.
33:42Therapy is an excellent way to work through any problems, even the small ones, like say you and a loved one have been fighting a lot lately, but you still really want to make things work. Therapy can serve as a mediary. It can help you identify the problem and teach you positive ways to address it. If you're new to therapy or want to try something different, better help is a great place to start. It's convenient and affordable since everything is done online. It's already helped over 5 million people worldwide connect with a credentialed therapist. Discover your relationship green flags with better help.
34:16Visit betterhelp .com slash JRE to get 10 % off your first month. That's better help H -E -L -P dot com slash JRE. The law fair against Giuliani is interesting. What is the case that he lost? It was in Georgia and he was accusing these women who worked at this election facility of something in proprietary. This is a different case than that because this was related to the 2019 impeachment and all the Ukraine kerfuffle around the quid pro quo call allegedly that President Trump made to President Zelensky, which by the way we should get to USA's role in the Joe Biden quid pro quo side of this in a second, but that case I believe related to two workers in Georgia and it was related to the whole investigation of election fraud.
35:15Whether or not there may have been fraud perpetrated in the Georgia election, I believe it was either 2021 or it may have been, I'm sorry, 2020. That case I'm not deep in the weeds on, but I have to say this as well. And Jamie, I don't know if the whole audience is familiar with this clip, but it's incredible scandals clipped. Do you remember when when Joe Biden was at the Council on Foreign Relations and bragged that he got the top prosecutor in Ukraine fired by the Ukrainian government because he explicitly conditioned the firing of the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma. He expressly conditioned the their receipt of a billion dollars in US financial assistance on the firing of Victor of Victor Shokin, the prosecutor and he said, and well, son of a B, he was fired and it's so crazy watching him brag about that publicly.
36:23We just shows you what an idiot he is. We know what that billion dollars and financial assistance was. It was a USA grant. Yeah, it's the carrots and sticks and it's like in that video, Jamie, because it's a shocking video and just the hubris that in the ego that someone has to have to speak of this publicly while it's being filmed, not just publicly, not just in a room, not even just saying it out loud, but saying it in front of the Council Foreign Relations backdrop. And actually before you play this, can I make one quick note for the audience that everyone can look up publicly? The Council Foreign Relations, I'm just about to text Jamie and another thing related to this that's that we're going to pull up the USA grant so that everyone can see this billion dollar USA grant that he's referring to here and what's in the grant details.
37:12But when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State, running the State Department that USA answers to, right, it's USA is independent, but guided by the State Department because the State Department function has to advance US interests. Well, when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State, Council Foreign Relations had just opened up a DC office, they're New York based and she went over to them and she made a speech and she said, thank you, Foreign Relations, for opening up your DC office. That way, I don't need to travel all the way to New York to be told what to do. I was ahead of the State Department.
37:45Did you really send it like that? Yeah, everyone can look this up. That might not be verbatim, but that was the, it was as explicit as that, effectively. But if you want to play this. I remember going over convincing our team, our others to convincing us that we should be providing for loan guarantees. I went over, probably I guess, the 12, 13th time to Kiev and I was going supposed to announce that there was another billion dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yachts and New York that they would take action against the State Prosecutor and they didn't.
38:26So they said they had it, they were walking out at the press conference and I said, I'm not going to, we're not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority, you're not the president. The president said, I said, calling. I said, I'm telling you, you're not getting the billion dollars. I said, you're not getting the billion, I'm going to be leaving here and I think it was about six hours. I said, I'm leaving at six hours. If the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. Got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.
38:57Solid. So they made some genuine substantial changes institutionally and with people. Yeah, so there's two things to immediately follow up on like that. So Jamie, I just sent you two things over text here. The first one is the US is that billion dollar loan guarantee. And then I sent you another one about securing commitments. And then it's just wild that someone would be so brazen to talk about that so publicly. No one's going to look at someone that was solid, but it was wrong with the first guy. Let's go in a depth. The fact that you wouldn't think like maybe someone's going to investigate what was the first guy looking into.
39:45Oh, why was my son running charisma? Like, what is going, why is he making $10 million a year there? What is going on? What is this? Well, okay. So this was a billion dollar. Okay, so this will actually go to the go to the other one. Okay, we'll start with this. Okay. So here's from USAID. USAID announces, now this is again the basically the final months of the Obama administration. Right now, this is right before the November 2016 election. USAID announces a billion dollar loan guarantee. Remember, he referenced the loan guarantee. By the way, do they pay these loans back? Well, depends on if they play ball or not.
40:18You know, this is another one of these things, right? If you're a good boy and you do what the blob tells you to do, maybe we can be flexible and loan forgiveness. You know, maybe we can allow you to punt the default. But you'll see it's a bit, but these are the carrots and sticks. This is why we infiltrate and co -op these institutions. And why you have a $44 billion annual slush fund around the world to do this. But you'll see it's the issuance of the billion dollar loan guarantee to the government of Ukraine. And it's to support the implementation of governance reforms. So it's for the, we condition it on you changing the policies of your government.
40:58And this is already 2016 after we installed a coup in 2014. Yes. And remember, the last time I was here, we went over the 2019 Zelensky's first month in office. The red lines memo. You know, talk about how do you, how do you prove you're a good boy? Well, when you get the red lines memo that you will suffer political instability unless you do the 25 below listed policy things with your government, you know, that factors into what the US ambassador in the region will tell their Ukrainian or other government counterparts, you know, loan guarantees and whatnot are conditioned on. But so if you go to the, you'll notice that Biden there used a very specific phrase there about securing commitments.
41:41I don't know if everyone caught that. I want to note the, the similarity of that too. If you go to the, the other screen shot. Jamie, that text you here. I'm sorry that my, my mug is on this. I just pulled this up. What are you doing with your lips? Yeah, I know. I know. We'd been talking right before we started filming about, about just throwing receipts up on screen. This is just a live stream series that I do on X. And so that's just touching mid words. I know. I know. But this is $1 .5 million. So, so USAID has given $27 million in grants to the Tide Center, which is the 501 C3, is the fiscal sponsor that gives the 501 C3 Stass to the Black Lives Matter Global Network and to a group called Fair and Just Prosecution, which is basically manages prosecutors who are simultaneously funded by the Open Society Foundation.
42:31They work with Alvin Bragg and Latisha James and all these other, other ones. But you'll see here in this, this is a $1 .5 million grant. You'll see that exact phrase that Joe Biden used about securing commitments from governments to fight corruption. So sometimes this diplomatic state craft, this strong arm pressure is done directly by the vice president. Sometimes it's done by interlocutors. Like our state -sponsored NGO swarm, who allow our ambassadors and allow the White House to maintain a layer of plausible reliability that it's an intermediary saying it. And they can say much harsher things than what can be conveyed and maybe used against you in a formal diplomatic channel.
43:18And I sent one more thing, Jamie, if you pull up, if you go to my X -feed and you just type in the phrase, USAID Burisma. Because this is another element of this. Again, how is this all weaponized at home and whatnot? So Victor Shokin was investigating Burisma. Joe Biden personally weaponized USAID in order to force a foreign country's prosecutor to be fired in order to get that billion. Can I stop you for something? What was the investigation of Burisma? What did it entail? Well, I believe it was a similar corruption, you know, corruption probe that there was, you know, there was misuse of funding.
43:54All this stuff is well -documented and Miranda Devine's book, The Big Guy. But if you open those four screen shots, I don't know if you're able to center it or zoom out a little bit. Western protection is a great fucking title. USAID helped young Biden. This is in 2014. Hey, remember when Hunter Biden's permanent blanket pardon goes back to, it goes back to 2014. Right. And so this directs USAID to guarantee loans. So it's loan guarantees for every phase of development of oil and gas in Ukraine, Moldova, and Georgia. Now, if you go to, go to the next screen shot in this. This is from, this is a, you know, a, a, a foyer or legally obtained internal document at the state department, which says, despite his room name in Ukraine, so the Cheska is actively campaigning for, he's been sending letters to ambassadors, you know, Yvonnevich and, and Piotr, they note that Hunter Biden and Devon Archer are on the board.
45:04And they say, even internally, at state, USAID does have cooperation with, with Burisma. It says pre -existing, small scale, pre -existing cooperation. They're formally cooperating with Burisma in the region. They're, they're noting that. And then if you go to the next screenshot. Now, now this again is, is state department email traffic that's been on earth. Okay, so they're talking about doing co -branding with USAID and Burisma and the public private partnership around USAID and Burisma. But then noting, quote, the very sticky wicket of the Hunter Biden connection on Burisma's board. And then they go on to say that, you know, they want to create incentives for journalists to ensure responsible and unbiased.
45:54Very sticky wicket. What a weird way to phrase that in an official email. Right, what they're saying is it would be a major scandal if everyone knew the extent of it. They know it looks unseemly. They don't want, they don't want the media to report on the massive conflict of interest of Joe Biden going in and kicking out that prosecutor and conditioning USAID money on it. While USAID is directly working with Burisma. But then the state department using its media mockingbird apparatus funded by your tax dollars. The swarm of NGOs, you know, as reported publicly this week that 90 % of Ukrainian media outlets are funded by the US government.
46:3090 % talking about a USAID Truman show. Jesus Christ. And so, who, if they're funded by the state department, guess what? There's a state department grant coordinator. Guess what? They want to keep getting their contributions. They are going to, there's going to need to be review and approval by USAID and by state because often these are co -grants. And so, they have the capacity to ensure that the incentives are aligned for the journalists to be responsible with the way they report on the USAID Burisma connection while Joe Biden is weaponizing. Well, Joe Biden is weaponizing USAID to protect Burisma.
47:07By the way, I should note, Hunter Biden's law firm actually pitched using Burisma as an instrument of state craft to the state department because the more you capacity build Burisma, the more endogenous gas you crane is able to supply. And so, that's less gas being exported to Europe from gas, prom and Russia. So, they blend this. It advances US national interest, but hey, it makes us rich along the way. So, you know, it's the same recent Pfizer gets to keep all the profits, you know, for, you know, when they have, when there's a vaccine mandate. You know, they don't, they say, well, we're just rewarding, you know, we're doing such good work.
47:44Well, why, if this is a charity, why aren't you giving the money back to the American people, you know, what should we put some cap on this? I know, well, we're incentivizing this, you know, pioneering approach and we're uniquely in the position to do it. And what's important about this is this explains for a lot of people that are very baffled by obvious propaganda and misinformation that's being propagated by the mainstream media. When you look at mainstream newspapers and television shows saying things that are just factually incorrect and you could research it, it's not hard to find out. And you see them propagate this stuff.
48:21This is all the same sort of thing, but this is happening on US soil. Oh, exactly. Well, actually, Jamie, if you pull that receipt back up, there's a paragraph there we didn't read, but that's useful to this. And then there's another topic related to this that I think makes this point even harder. But look at that fourth paragraph there. This is from the US State Department, which is in control of managing all of the media assets, those 90 % of media assets in Ukraine and the ones that simultaneously operate here. I would offer that Burisma's incentive to support could, plus we read the main objective of Burisma was to create incentives for journalists to offer sympathetic coverage.
48:56So main objective of Burisma, the main objective, it's an energy corporation. Yes. Yes. Humanitarian aid. You know, this is a for -profit company. That's the right time. Such a wild statement. The main objective of Burisma was to create incentives for journalists to offer sympathetic coverage of the company on energy issues. Yes. Yes. Wow. Right. They want to pitch it as a sort of patriotic pro -Western... They bought the media. They bought the media. And they bought the media here. On that topic, can we talk about a related scandal and, frankly, monstrosity that the American people need to understand the full extent of its influence on American hearts and minds?
49:43No, we can't talk about that. Right. Well, let's go on to the next thing. This episode is brought to you by Life Lock. Tax season is already stressful. You shouldn't have to worry about identity theft on top of everything else. And trust me, it's a big worry. Especially since during tax season, your sensitive info does a lot of traveling to places you can't control. It goes through payroll, your accountant, your tax consultant, and countless other data centers on its way to the IRS. Any of them can expose you to identity theft because they all have the info on your W2, just the ticket for criminals to steal your identity.
50:21It's no wonder, last year, the IRS reported tax fraud due to identity theft went up 20%. You need Life Lock. They monitor millions of data points per second and alert you to threats you could miss. If your identity is stolen, Life Lock's US -based restoration specialist will fix it back by the million dollar protection package. And restoration is guaranteed or your money back. Don't let identity thieves take you for a ride. Get Life Lock protection for tax season and beyond. Join now and save up to 40 % your first year. Call 1 -800 -LIFLOCK and use the promo code JRE or go to LifeLock .com -JRE for 40 % off.
51:10Terms apply. This episode is brought to you by Zip Recruiter. The hiring process is stressful. There are so many different things to consider and on top of it all, you need to get it done quickly. It's like when you're trying to find a decent contractor for a home renovation project or even a new primary care doctor. You don't want just anyone. You probably want a person who knows their shit and will take your concerns seriously. But also need to find them. Like yesterday. If you're an employer struggling to find that perfect fit, I've got one word for you. Zip Recruiter. They work fast to find you great talent.
51:46Try it for free at ziprecruiter .com -rogan. They're so fast. 4 out of 5 employers who post on Zip Recruiter find a quality candidate within the first day. That might be why hiring site employers prefer Zip Recruiter the most based on G2 ratings. They get the work done without wasting your time or money. So relax and let Zip Recruiter speed up your hiring. See for yourself. Just go to ziprecruiter .com -rogan to try it right now for free. That's the same price as a genuine smile from a stranger. A picture perfect sunset or a cute dog running up to you and licking your hand. Again, that's ziprecruiter .com -rogan.
52:27Zip Recruiter, the smartest way to hire. Jamie, if you go to X, I think probably the best thread on this currently published is the Wikileaks thread on internews, which just reading some of the statistics and that will help make sense of some of the clips and screenshots. So I'm going to show you about its operations that impact domestic affairs and international governments that are allied with the State Department. So just type in the word internews, one word, I -N -T -E -R -N -E -W -S, and you go to search them on the Wikileaks profile. You'll see. Yeah, here you go. If you just top that top one, you know, USA just pushed nearly half the - So this - So internews, I've been - I've been talking about for a long time, but now the stage is sort of set to really show the extent of this.
53:25But what we do is we create these pretty little predicates, these pretty little lie words, weasel words, to hide from the American people and especially from foreign governments what we're really doing in the area. So we have a catchphrase at state and in state craft, it's called independent media. You can think of that as the State Department's word for good guy. It doesn't mean independent. They are funded by us. They are not independent from the government. They literally submit their work and approval plans for - You know, their work plans for what they cover for review and approval to the US State Department.
53:59They are dog walked the whole way. But we call them independent because they are said to be independent from foreign governments who influence. So basically they're independent from the Chinese government or they're independent from the Russian government. So there's just like with the word USAID itself that we talked about last time. It's your mind playing tricks on you. You're seeing aid, but it's agency for international development.
54:30Right. Right for us because it's independent from our enemies. But when Americans see that, they think it will independent. That means it's a free actor who's not being sponsored by any government. But under the banner of USAID's independent media and media sustainability branches, we fund half a billion dollars a year to this network of, again, over 4 ,000 media outlets. It reaches 778 million people. 9 ,000 journalists trained. Remember last time we went over the Atlanta Council with seven CIA directors and annual funding from USAID as well as the State Department of Pentagon. How they were holding up I call BS placards and putting Trump tweets on screen to flag for disinformation.
55:15If you remember, we went over that. Well, this is what training journalists looks like is they is is not only do they have the direct spawn of of media octopus under their direct subgrantee group, but they then go out and train the journalists who work at all the other ones who aren't directly sponsored. So they reach everywhere. And you'll see here, for example, it makes reference to Gene Bergo, who is making half a million dollars a year there. And if you go now, I'm going to show this domestic impact real quick and then a couple of screenshots. So if you this has been going viral on X, I've been talking about USAID's role in the censorship industry forever.
55:59And if you look up if you just look up internews and you just plug in the name, you know, if you just copy paste that, you know, Gene Bergo think phrase, you'll see this in the video section because it's everywhere now. So so she made speeches for for a long time, but this is a this is a big one. Here you go. This one right here. Okay. So USAID funded internews CEO pushes for global advertising exclusion list to censor disinformation. This is a 28 second clip. Like what they did. Yeah, exactly. Disinformation makes money and it's that's one of the we need to follow that money and we need to work with the and particularly the global advertising industry that a lot of those dollars go to pretty bad bad content.
56:46And so you can work really hard on exclusion list or inclusion list or sort of really try to focus add dollars and challenge the global advertising industry all around the world to focus their add dollars towards the good, the good news and information, the good, the accurate and relevant. So this is USAID sponsoring both sides of this. She runs a 500 million dollar mercenary media for for hit piece for higher empire sponsored by the by USA. USAID also gave $68 million to the world economic form itself. And and USAID's own internal documents show the explicit political targeting of these advertiser networks.
57:25And I can show you receipts on that. Actually, no, it's okay. Actually, before we get to that, just so I can close the loop on something that's a little bit more accessible and less political. Jamie, I texted you a screenshot of internews in in Brazil. And if one of them has at the top of it something called rooted in trust.
57:58If you keep going up, yeah, there you go. That one. Yeah. Okay. So this is internews with a worldwide media octopus sponsored a half a billion dollars a year, you know, reaching 9 ,000 journalists, 5 ,000 media outlets. And here's what they were doing just in just on just on COVID censorship. So rooted in trust is a internews program. It's a global pandemic information response program to counter the unprecedented scale and speed and spread of rumors and misinformation. All which turned out to be true. All which turned out to be true. Our own CIA says that our own house, you know, oversight committee says says that now.
58:42Every single step of the way, there's not one thing they said that turned out to be accurate, not the death rate, not the ability to stop infections and transmissions, not the side effects, not the fact that natural immunity is far superior. None of the none, nothing, not one thing, not the lab leak theory, nothing, not even the funding of the research and the actual lab, which is also USA, right? Yes. Yes. 50 million dollars. Right. Right. From UC Davis to Eco Health directly into, you know, because I always say when it's too dirty for the CIA, you give it to USA. And that's why, you know, that's why you have all this pandemic stuff and maybe we can get to that later, but I want to just show the scale of this.
59:25You sponsored your own state censorship. Rooted in trust is tracked more than 19 ,000 rumors about the virus across 14 plus languages globally over 81 million people. In response to the unique rumors sourced from each country context, this USAID sponsored project has produced a total of over 130 rumor bulletins, 500 radio broadcasts and 480 media stories through a series of training opportunities events, peer -to -peer networks and small grants, as Rooted Trust has supported 550 local media organizations in order to scan and ban the internet or more importantly to connect communities with directly with timely and accurate COVID -19 information, which all turn out to be lies.
1:00:17I only had time before this to text one page of this. I mean, this is everyone should go through this document. I'll post on my X feed and there's millions around this. I mean, the whole global coordination was done through this through USAID and the USAID Department and its partners in the UK and in NATO. And, you know, the fact that these very organs are implicated in the strange DARPA grants around creating the gain of function, you know, the USAID grants that we're all jumping animal to human for these things. You know, the presence of folks like Avril Haines, the deputy director of the CIA and then head of director of the director of national intelligence, you know, at these censorship planning conferences for event 201, the fact that state and DOD and the UK foreign office all funded all of the censorship organs like the Atlantic Council and graphica and these others that we went over last time, you know, they basically they're the prime suspect for the crime.
1:01:21And they sponsor the entire white blood cell apparatus to swarm any kernel of truth penetrating the membrane in order to orchestrate the cover up. So there are both sides of it. And we can talk about more about the, you know, the internews work there. I want to, but I want to this is the darkest of conspiracy theories. The darkest of conspiracy theories was that the leak was intentional. The darkest of conspiracy theories is that this was planned. They knew this is going to be a financial windfall. It is the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of the United States by far from the working class to the elite.
1:02:03It's like three plus what trillion dollars or something crazy like that. We've already established that it was created in a lab. We already established that USA funded it. We already established the Fauci at all lied about gain of function research, what they were doing. The worst theory possible is that this was released on purpose. Yeah, that would be the worst case scenario. Yeah. Have you ever danced that one around your head? Because that's, that's where you, we know they're willing to do horrible evil shit. But like, is there a ceiling on that?
1:02:43Even now to this day, having spent so much of my life in it, I try, I try to just pursue the leads that I have and then try to let the conclusions come to me. Certainly the fact that they funded the capacity to do this, they worked directly with all the networks that were both doing it and censoring it is, puts you pretty much as, you know, they created it and they covered up at least the leak. In terms of the intentionality for doing it, that is a really dark scenario. You know, there are a lot of things in American history that have that same, you know, Meehaw Leehaw distinction, you know, do they, do they make it happen or do they let it happen or do they make it happen?
1:03:37And both of them are major scandals that completely change the, the legitimacy and credibility of policy changes in response to the crisis, for example. Like, you know, take something like Pearl Harbor, right? It's been declassified now, the McCullum memo, the eight action plan. Are you familiar with this? Yeah, I'm right. You know, and this was, you know, written before the bombing and it was eight ways to get Japan to attack us because, you know, we don't have diplomatic cover to declare war on them, but if, if we get them to attack us and we can then spiral that into a war predicate, I mean, they're the same thing, for example, with the, you know, the Northwoods memo with, you know, pretext to war with Cuba and cooking up all these, you know, hijacking our own planes, sinking our own ships, doing, you know, riots.
1:04:27It's on the streets of Miami and then saying that it was the other Cuban government behind it. Same thing with Vietnam, Gulf of Tonkin, you know, same thing with, you know, with the weapons of mass destruction, predicate for invading Iraq. Did we know that that, you know, did we, where we duped and the crime was negligence for letting our national security state believe the New York Times reporting on, you know, on chemical and, you know, and biological and weapons of mass destruction. In Iraq, or did we make that happen? Did we, did, you know, was that, you, was that something that we knew was not true based on our own intelligence, but because there was a useful thing there.
1:05:11And, you know, a lot of people have the same thoughts about issues around around 9 -11 and any number of crisis events. And I, I suppose I have my own thoughts on it. They're not fully settled. And because they are beyond the evidence I currently have, I stay in the zone of, this is what they did to create it. This is what they did to cover it up. Here are the stars in the sky, draw your own constellation from there. That's a good way to put it. Okay. Back to what you were just about to talk about. Yeah. So, well, so again, there's, there's two simultaneous tasks that I have. One is to burn down these, these rogue institutions that have been weaponized domestically and salt the earth behind them so that these kind of excesses can never come home again.
1:06:01The other one is, we do need U .S. soft power projection in order to maintain the standard of living and prosperity that we have. You know, I give the example all the time, no blob, no pencils. You can't make pencils in this country unless you depend on governments in Malaysia and South America and, you know, parts of Africa. And if that's the case in, you know, for pencils, now do that exercise with petroleum. Now do that exercise with cobalt, for example, there's only one, there was only one operational cobalt mine in all of the U .S. And in 2022, that even that mine shut down. So most of the cobalts in the Congo, if you, if the, if the Congolese government decides they don't want to allow you access to cobalt, well, there goes your capacity to create any high technology or renewable battery or anything.
1:06:51There is potentially a need for some modified and more honest restrictions on our department of dirty tricks. For example, the CIA used to be allowed to assassinate world leaders in the, in the 40s and 50s. You know, this is where we got in trouble in Congo with Lamamba or, you know, I end there and any number of these. And then when those scandals got revealed, there were legislative reforms put in place and executive branch national security reforms put in place to say, okay, you can do dirty work, but not that dirty. You can't do that. The same thing needs to be done now for all of these things, you know, many categories of things.
1:07:27For example, we just played internews and the internew CEO campaigning to governments and corporations and private sector civil society organizations around the world that they need to economically blacklist news sites that operate on social media. And those are US news sites. That's, this is the basis of lawsuits here in the US like daily wire in the federalist suing the state department for because US news sites are in these advertiser blacklist. And to that end, I want to, I want to note two things. First, if you go to my x feed and you type in the word advertiser or advertisers. And if you need to, you can plug in the word USAID or CEPS, CEPPS in this.
1:08:13And I want to show you that this is not internews going wrong. This is not a great half a billion dollar year grantee of USAID going rogue and being ideological about this. This is top down US government policy from the White House. And I'll show you the documents on that to the White House executive branch agencies like USAID and state. Okay, if you go to search and you put in the word advertiser, yeah.
1:08:46And it could be advertiser or advertisers. Okay, so there you go. So click on that left, the left image first. Who's scoring big in the NBA this year? You are with all new ways to get in on the action at Draft King Sportsbook and official sports betting partner of the NBA from monster slams to dishing the rock to cleaning the glass. Get behind your favorite players and the prop bets you can make on Draft King's the home of NBA player props plus for new Draft King's customers bet $5 to get $150 in bonus bets instantly. Take it to the rack with Draft King Sportsbook every point counts download the Draft King Sportsbook app and use the code Rogan that's code Rogan for new customers to get $150 in bonus bets when you bet just $5.
1:09:38Only on Draft King's the crown is yours. If you or so many know has a gambling problem call the Virginia problem gambling helpline at 888 -532 -3500 -211 -1 over Virginia only eligibility restrictions apply new customers only bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance for additional terms and responsible gaming resources.
1:10:01This episode is brought to you by visible is your wireless full of stuff you didn't sign up for don't need or don't understand visible gives you everything you want from wireless and nothing you don't. No confusing plans no hidden fees no nonsense with visible you just get unlimited everything unlimited data talk text and hotspot all powered by Verizon's 5G network plus they're an all digital wireless service so you can easily switch within a matter of minutes from your phone either in their app or online. Ready to switch visible has an offer for you the Joe Rogan experience listeners joined by March 24 and new members can get the visible plus plan for just $30 per month for 25 months.
1:10:50That's visible's best plan with premium data for $15 off each month for 25 months get visible's fastest network now with even more savings switch at visible dot com slash Rogan with the promo code Rogan for this offer from visible didn't think wireless could be so transparent so visible well now you know switch today at visible dot com slash Rogan terms apply see visible dot com for network management details. This is now we talked about this group steps last time you know in our in our hit a few months ago steps is a program that is basically a joint baby of USAID and the state department and is implemented by the USAID's key operational arm the national down for democracy.
1:11:40But this is a USAID program on countering disinformation internet censorship is what they do and we went over last time remember we played that that two minute video where they were openly saying that the plan is to get foreign governments to pass legal reform pass laws and regulations to stop the spread of misinformation on US social media websites. So USA would not be able to lobby the US government to do that because we have a first amendment you're up doesn't other Brazil doesn't. But here is from an internal document February twenty twenty one of USAID's steps program. And now this is a ninety seven page document they reference the word advertiser and advertising in this document thirty one times in ninety seven pages so this is and that was three years before that clip we just saw how far back in motion.
1:12:27This is and I can go back even further that in twenty seventeen is very close on that and how this network coordinated the very ad boycotts that that Elon is subject to and that brought Facebook and Google to their knees when they folded to advertiser boycotts. There you go in order to disrupt the funding and financial incentive using the same phrases that the energy I did to to disinform attention is turned to the advertising industry particularly with online advertising. So they so it goes on to say thus cutting the financial support in the ad tech space would obstruct disinformation actors they're not human beings they're not Americans with you know running mom and pop shops that depend on their Facebook page to be able to promote you know advertise their flower business no they're they're reduced to the in human disinformation actors from spreading messaging online.
1:13:17So the efforts being made to inform advertisers of the risk such as the threat to brand safety so this is USA saying. We had to talk to these advertisers and say hey you know brand safety is really important all your little all your brands it would be a shame if you were known for putting ads next to misinformation websites like daily wire in the federal list that goes on to say additionally with this data organizations and these are partner organizations this group steps runs you know is together with USA and and the state market run network of hundreds of NGOs around the world that all jointly carry this out this is what their sponsor to do says the aim is to redirect funding to higher quality news domains and improve regulatory market environments regulatory means laws laws laws about this like the EU digital services act.
1:14:09Redirect so this is a top down US government plan to financially reengineer the entire economics of the news industry in order to make it so that if you spread messaging against the state or against a sensitive policy issue by the state. You are put out of business you cannot professionalize you can't compete with CNN or New York Times or MSNBC you just like this what happened to Breitbart for example and they got caught up in this web they lost 99 % of their advertising revenue they were going up like this and however you feel about Breitbart this is these are the these are the plain facts of this in action they were a rising star in the 2016 election Steve Benin who was you know the head of that went on to be the basically the top White House advisor directly.
1:14:53They got crushed when 99 % of their ad revenue they this is why everyone's having to switch to building their own citizens to pay for it because the natural thing advertisers would want to do. A return on investment for putting ads you know on on news sites or social media they can't do because they're getting pressure from the government. And so now look at the bottom now I don't have this but any members of Congress or Doge or or House or Senate oversight or White House Office of Science and Technology Policy I implore you a few examples of advertiser outreach are included in annex three I don't have that annex it's not it's not available you know from from on the USA website that I that I download this from before went down.
1:15:40The USA is giving out examples of advertiser outreach how to pressure them in order to do this and this much more there if you go to the next slide for example. You'll see this is this is they have whole categories of what USA wants media companies to do wants wants regulatory bodies to do wants all of its other whole society partners to do but here's just the first two entries from this. What can technology companies do so this is USA telling Facebook Twitter YouTube tick tock Reddit twitch eliminate the financial incentives nuke their ad nuke their ad revenue if if we don't like what they say what could national governments do again this is our government funded by our tax dollars telling foreign governments that they should regulate ad networks to kill the ad revenue of US social media.
1:16:33The US media websites and US news entities like like has been caught up in in the advertiser database at at state in USA under the Biden administration and then there's a million more examples like this but but if you want to go to a really crazy one there's a YouTube video that is still live it's it's it's by glob sec actually before before I turn to that you might have am I going no go ahead. I text before we're going to go to this 2000 May 2017 glob sec video but before I do that Jamie I texted you an image of of a piece that that my foundation just published if you it says 23 EU organizations drive EU censorship law.
1:17:16If you yeah if you scroll scroll up or actually if you scroll down you know actually maybe I didn't text you so it's at the top my X feed right now and you'll see it's a it might be like the fifth or six one down but yeah just down okay okay right that okay so so I'm sorry no the what it's both the one above and below that so before we get to the one above that let's go to the one right below that. I said one more below that one more one more one more one more one more one more one more one more it's that one it's it's yeah see those four screenshots yeah so so we just reported this this is 23 US funded organizations who are all signatories or implementers signatories to the EU's code of practice on disinformation which if US tech companies don't comply with what the EU a foreign body caused this information the penalties for that are losing 6 % of US social media companies global annual revenue or get kicked out of the entire EU market which is 550 million people so you know we go through this you know in this in this here but if you so not only are they the signatories to it who you basically helped craft this thing and put the US government stamp on this but if you if you go to if you'll see they're also the implementers they're the ones who are helping define disinformation in the EU that targets US social media companies and US news websites so go to the fourth one go to the fourth the fourth thing right here now this my foundation just reported as well we got access to a a white house interagency working group for for information integrity this is one of these censorship weasel weasel phrases weasel words information integrity is what you just saw in the USA document about high redirecting ad revenue from high quality high quality news outlets to low quality news outlets they make that determination by determining high integrity news and low integrity news so basically if they like you they call you high integrity if they don't like you or you're publishing a scandal or you say hey the covid vaccines may have some problems with them hey there might be some issues with you know what happened the 2020 election hey you know what's happening with our Ukraine aid law information integrity so this phrase information integrity is is one of these evolving sets of weasel phrases in order to do internet censorship while making it look like the it's just an intervention to help you were making the information integrity ecosystem you know better so that we have a healthier information environment well this is directly from the this was centrally coordinated from the white house this working group has 26 US government agencies and programs participating in their partner with 14 outside universities as well as a whole row of private sector firms USA is one of those by the way USA is a is a contributor to this in the Biden administration this is this is started in December 2021 really got the wheels turning in December 2022 but this is from the White House office of science and technology policy itself where where it's someone from White House the other co chairs are from OD and I the director of national intelligence the job that Tulsi Gabbard is currently you know campaigning for it DARPA you know the the Pentagon's brain as well as the National Science Foundation which is a civilian arm that that funds all the censorship work but here you have from the Joe Biden White House itself engagement with international partners that this this is three years ago before the you know before this thing even really kicked in in in in the way that it now is engaging with our international partners outside the United States on our censorship efforts assessing establishing a partnership with the European Union to provide us researchers now that's the cover word that's the big lie word of all this you know these operations but they call them researchers to make it look passive rather than active and I can go through a million examples of that to show how deep that lie goes with access to social media data accessible under the 2022 EU code of practice on disinformation every single one of these researchers is connected to the blob whether directly or indirectly they're either a part of organizations that are sponsored by USAID the state department the defense department whether transatlantic networks in the UK like the UK foreign office or they are indirectly part or they're partnered with one who is every single one of these they don't just like researchers they got to be credential they got to be accredited they got to be credentialed they got to be vetted in fact a lot of these they're these internal documents talk about how you know only basically the trusted inside web should be able to get access to this but what they're saying is the US government can't pry that out of Facebook's hands we have a first amendment we can't we can't make them subject to a code of practice on disinformation there is no legislative bill that'll pass Congress that will force them to give over that will force Facebook to give over the you know the the private messages and all the you know internal algorithm and spread of information to a random US University like a you know pick your poison the University of Washington or the University of Stanford to a random University that everything you thought was safe and secure on the platform is now is now being given to a private you know University because it was crowbarred out of your out of your out of the platforms arms by the government this is the sort of thing the NSA does when the NSA has you know a secret warrants forcing Facebook to a compel you know private information about the platform for the FBI and you know when they're doing a co an investigation or the NSA when they're doing a national security party one this is doing it for private actors and they're using foreign governments to crowbar US companies because we in their eyes are unfortunately bound by the first amendment there's a lot more there but I can I can pause Jesus Christ it's so amazing how thorough it is like the people that want to think the government is completely inept and the conspiracies aren't likely because people are not motivated and not very good at their jobs like the people same people they want to say the government is terrible they're it's filled with blood they don't know if they're not capable of pulling off something to this with this depth so when you see it when you actually see it laid out and the mechanism in which it was done through NGOs and through these other non government organizations it's kind of astonishing it's it's kind of impressive oh it is and you see how it all synchronizes just like prisoners where it's her did in you know from 1948 through you know the 1970s when form you know formally it was supposed to stop it just that's why I say when it's too dirty for the CIA you give it to us eight you know the CIA used to do this work under covert action but USA has a couple of cute tricks that make it the the central warehouse for all this and this is why we start this conversation I was saying you know you ain't see nothing yet this thing is going to get so deep and it's going to connect to so many institutions that everybody thought you know like like in the Truman show they thought it was their best friend you know they thought this thing was totally independent and these were authentic conversations you're having with the cashier and it turns out oops okay actually you're a part of this you know USAid sponsor network or the state or DOD or Intel sponsor network because this is fundamentally covert action that's being done and when when the when the CIA the CIA subject to restrictions on the kind of covert activity it can do every covert action the CIA does which is our organ for organized political warfare you know George Kennen himself as well as William Casey and Colby and everyone the express purpose of it was to carry out the subversive side of the political struggle you know so that we'd have a mechanism for influencing foreign you know the foreign affairs by creating an internal what looks to be an organic you know grass roots authentic network within the country but we're actually funding and directing their actions their actions to be favorable to US interests but we're going with this is USAid is has most of the worst scandals of US state craft and covert action in the past two decades have actually been from USAid rather than CIA and there's there's a reason for this so after the big scandals against the Democrats and liberals and anti war groups in the in the 60s and 70s reforms are put in place every and some of this goes back to the forage itself but every covert action the CIA does has to be has to be authorized by the president and what's called the presidential finding to take that covert action so if this if the CIA senior leadership or or just a rogue cell that's not even at the top of leadership but just a rogue desk a rogue portfolio a rogue network wants to run a covert action in a region but they don't think the president will approve or the president doesn't want to formally sign off on it in case it goes it goes wrong they can walk right over to USAid who can do the exact same thing the CIA does except they can call it discrete democracy promotion because it's not technically an intelligence agency so it's not technically covert action so it doesn't require executive branch approval or for knowledge and they've gotten in trouble on in these cases in some pretty incredible ways can I just show that please so let's start with with even the white washed version go to the Wikipedia of zoons and EO ZUN ZEN EO just on the Wikipedia and then we can go deeper on this if you want this was a scandal during Obama the Obama USAid era now we were running a number of of rogue USAid operations in Cuba at the time by the way I'm safe for the record I'm no fan of the Cuban government I am and I'm not even weighing in on whether it's the right or wrong thing to do you know in terms of regime change there or you know liberating people there from autocratic excess by that government I'm simply showing the American people where your tax dollars are going and how these things are structured in order to systematically fool you and to fool Congress and to fool the White House so for example so this is this is and I'll show a couple other things in a second here but it so this is zoons and EO if you just scroll for a second we'll start with this right so it was an online social media just scroll up one second we'll start the topic is an online social social networking micro blogging service created by USAid and marketed to Cuban users this was a Twitter knockoff see the background of this is this is two thousand nine two thousand fourteen that period the state department in USAid where gangbusters gung ho on the promise of air spring style social media revolutions to topple other governments that the air spring was a Facebook revolution in a Twitter revolution USAid pumped 1 .2 billion dollars in you know and we we sponsored these activist groups in the civil society organizations to learn how to use Facebook learn how to use Twitter lose learn how to use hashtags learn how to coordinate street protests so that everyone knows where to go what street to show up on you know what kind of slogans to you know to use in order to create the pro democracy you know predicate for it but the problem was at the time Cuba did not allow US social media in so they said hmm so they're not allowing Twitter in how can we get a Twitter there but without calling it Twitter without making it look like it's coming from the US so what they did is they took the exact same thing as Twitter same user interface same like and retweet button Zunzaniejo is is the Cuban slang word for for hummingbird so just it means it's bird it was the but the Twitter bird the whole thing but the whole trick about it was you have to make it look like it's coming from the Cubans if you're going to do this operation so what you see is it began running the sources 2010 this is right you know during the air spring and what you'll see is they took funds millions of dollars of funds that were concealed as humanitarian funds designated for Pakistan now I don't know if Joe or the audience if you looked at a map lately but Pakistan is not exactly the next or neighbor of Cuba right so and this is the this is the Wikipedia whitewashing and we can get into the deeper layers of this but contractors funded by USA I should note the main contractor was creative associates international who's a frequent one it's CIA CIA not CIA promise so they they concealed in the budget from Senate from Congress from the White House National Security Council they said that these were humanitarian funds for Pakistan and then they ran that to their contractor CIA to quote set up a Byzantine system of front companies using came in islands bank accounts and recruiting unsuspecting business executives who would not be told of the company's ties to the US government according to the AP the private companies like creative associates international designed the network the idea rose after they were given 500 ,000 stolen Cuban cell phones that are available on the black market and then you'll see if you scroll down is okay the network dubbed the Cuban Twitter reached about 60 ,000 Cuban subscribers the initiative appears to also have had a surveillance dimension allowing a quote vast database of Cuban zones and EO subscribers including gender age and receptiveness and political tendencies to be built with the associate press noting such data would could be used in future for political purpose by way these are all quotes from the internal documents and we can go through that the data would then be used for micro targeting efforts towards anti and pro government users in Cuba the developers aim to at first used non -controversial content such as sports and music and hurricane updates by the way they they used hurricane updates and the internal things you know basically a humanitarian front if you sign up to this app you'll you'll know about natural disasters in the area meanwhile what was the plan the whole time once they built up enough subscribers they would begin to introduce political messages through social bots and encourage dissent in this in this astroturfing there's a great guardian right up on this if you if you go to guardian Zunzineo so you can see see how crazy just type in Zunzineo smart mob guardian you'll see the internal files explicitly said we're going to lower them in with music sports and hurricane updates you have to join you have to join you know this you know Twitter and Cuba if you want you know to be relevant in the culture and see what's trending in sports and music if you want to be safe in your homes if you want to know where hurricanes are going Twitter you know Cuban Twitter is the fastest place to get this it's humanitarian work for you know that's we're saving lives by doing this but the whole point is once they hit a critical mass they would create rental riots and and they would use this the same way they used it in Egypt and Tunisia to topple those governments under the Obama administration they would organize smart mobs rental riots and if and if you if you scroll down there's some you know this this is a fantastic article highly recommend there's a lot more there but but but okay stop right there scroll a little bit okay documents show the US government plan to build a subscriber base through non controversial news content news messages on soccer music and hurricane updates this in the guardian later when the network reached a critical mass perhaps hundreds of thousands operators would introduce political content aimed at inspiring Cubans to organize quote smart mobs mass gatherings called in a moment's notice that might trigger a Cuban spring or as one USA document put it quote renegotiate the balance of power between state and society and you know so one more thing if you if you want to look up on it should see how they can seal it if you just type in USA Zunzani and the were and discrete or or discrete action you'll see how USA when when this scandal popped off everyone said what the hell how did this happen this is classic CIA work you're using came in island's bank accounts you're saying it's you're you're marking it for Pakistan you know Pakistani aid this has clear implications for US state craft if this gets busted this is what the sea is why we task the CIA to do this plausible the ability if something has diplomatic blowback and we don't want US fingerprints on it we need a formal intelligence agency because there's diplomatic blowback if US fingerprints are revealed so no yeah just discrete yeah like discrete let's see if you scroll down that third one might do but if you scroll down you put discrete discrete action you maybe put discrete action or discrete covert and action I believe there's a huffpo on on this that's it yeah there you Yeah, yeah, when is covert action not covert when it's discrete us aides so basically When this and if you scroll down to the bottom this you'll see if you just control that for the word senate you'll see last week Elon Musk held an x -base directly with Senator Joni Ernst Who has been on this crusade to reform us aeg excesses and there's a really scandalous moment there where senator Ernst revealed That she was actually threatened by us aid when she tried to get insight into what they were actually doing well
1:35:29If you actually scroll down if you just do the next the next one basically what USAid said is well It's discrete democracy promotion. So it's you know, we don't need a presidential finding for it Okay, maybe this is not the other but basically if if if you control that for the word staff that might help it to but Everyone can look this up independently all this stuff. Okay, is that the only okay? Maybe it's a different article, but basically senate staffers and everyone go on YouTube This is there was a formal hearing on this to for oversight what happened and what the staffer said is This is the staffers on the senate farm relations committee Which is supposed to be the thing that rains in that gives the American people oversight and accountability for USAid gone rogue and What what this what the senate staffers overseeing us aid said is we had no visibility on this entire operation the entire time because USAid told us if they had to if they had to tell us what we were doing people could die This is classic CIA stuff, but the the senate was blocked and I should note again when it's too dirty for the CIA You give it to USAid.
1:36:32This is why these drug operations and these terrorist operations were on primarily through USAid rather than directly at the CIA The inspector general just just two weeks ago put out a report this is first time this has been publicly reported There's been inspector general at USAid practically from the day it was born this supposed to be This is what Joni Ernst was complaining about senator Joni Ernst was complaining about which was that How how can they get away with this and it's because of the inspector general who's supposed to hold the agency to account from from the inside But it's an independent agency.
1:37:02So there's limited oversight from the outside if you have a rogue inspector general They keep the whole up in house. Don't need to tell the executive branch don't you tell the senate congress run it just like an ollie north iran contra style Self -sustained stand alone off the shelf private enterprise to run covert action on taxpayer dime But not have it go through the formal approval channels. Well So basically this episode is brought to you by netflix in netflix new series zero day The country is devastated by a catastrophic cyber attack that downs America's infrastructure a respected former president Played by Robert De Niro.
1:37:40It's called out of retirement to find the perpetrators of the cyber attack only to discover He may be losing his grip on the truth and possibly reality zero day stars Robert De Niro in his first ever television series Angela Bassett, Jesse Plemons, Connie Britton and Lizzie Kaplan Watch zero day on February 20th only on netflix This episode is brought to you by simply safe humans are creatures of habit We like our routines they help us stay on top of our goals and bring a sense of comfort and familiarity Like maybe you spend every morning at the gym then you shower have a cup of coffee Listen to an episode of your favorite podcast and then you head off to work It's familiar and expected What we don't like is the unexpected because that can mean a whole load of problems and luckily for you guys I know something that can help simply save it's easy to work into any routine and it can help you prepare for and even Prevent some of the worst life has to offer there's a reason I continue to partner with these guys because they offer a bad -ass security system for your home with no long -term Contracts or outrageous cancellation fees they even have plans that started around a dollar a day Another thing I like is how thorough they are simply saves active guard outdoor protection uses a combination of AI powered cameras and live professional monitoring agents to keep your home and your family safe If they detect anything suspicious they can act right away using spotlights talking to loiterers Or even calling the police enhance your routine and get peace of mind with simply safe get 50 % off your new Simply safe system with professional monitoring plus your first month free at simply safe dot com slash rogan That's simply safe dot com slash rogan for 50 % off and your first month free.
1:39:35There's no safe like simply safe You know what what they were doing here in um, you know in What the oig report the inspector general report just published and ever the best article on this and with the the link to it is John Solman's just the news You know publish this right up on it as well as the source document from from the oig's office. We're just now learning this Two weeks ago Despite them them doing this activity for 30 years. It turns out there's a there's a get out of Get out of sponsoring terrorism free card at us aid Which is that us aid cannot directly provide funding to terrorist groups But their contractors are not required under the grant agreements to go through those, you know OFAC style those counter terrorism financing if a bank did it You would go directly to jail.
1:40:27Do not pass go You know do not have liberty again for the next 20 years of your life But if us aid does it it's completely legal right now And so this is how you have us aid giving you know, they just last week 122 million dollars to ISIS, you know, we found You know, they fund all the terrorist groups in Pakistan they fund the you know the terrorist groups in the in the Sahel in Africa for purpose paramilitary terrorist groups are extremely useful to us state craft as For for DOD special operations work as well as for political destabilization work. I'll give a great example. We'll stay in Pakistan Osama bin Laden a Peaceful what what was it?
1:41:16Yeah, a warrior on the road to peace. I remember the puff pieces about Osama bin Laden before before in the Mujahideen the Mujahideen Here's a great clip Can you find the clip of subignu brizinski? I believe this is around like 1789 Air dropping out of a helicopter 1989 no 79 I believe it was yeah So big j if you're typing subignu brizinski that's gonna be a a wallop one to spell live, but if you used to is a big new brizinski you can go to youtube and you know type in you know Mujahideen um And you know watch them air drop out of the helicopter and make the exact same speech That John McCain made to the az -off battalion the you know the extremist paramilitary faction of Ukraine that was banned from getting federal funding You know in 2014 when the democrats said they're all Nazis, but now they're all you know sponsored and get Standing ovation's from in the halls of congress because now they are geopolitically useful To pump up to capacity build so here you go.
1:42:22So so here US national security adviser brizinski flew to Pakistan to set about rallying resistance He wanted to arm the Mujahideen without revealing America's role On the Afghan border near the Kaiba pass he urged the soldiers of god to redouble their efforts keep us for a sec Notice how he said he wanted to arm the Mujahideen without revealing America's role role, okay The old point was to pump up this you know Fundamentalist extremist terrorist group With the funding and sport they need but without revealing America's role hello us aid that's the function today, but but We keep keep on Oh, they're deep belief in god The way we are confident that their struggle will succeed The way we are confident that they will succeed You know that land over there is yours You'll go back to it one day because your fight will prevail and you'll have your homes and your mosques back again Because your cause is right and god is on your side That land is yours go out there and take it will give you the money now Jamie if you can pull up one thing and I'm gonna just talk a little bit more about this case while you're while you're pulling this up You can find this I believe on my on my x -feed.
1:43:47I posted this clip But you could also find it searching either x or youtube of John McCain and I believe you as with Lindsey Graham Making that exact same speech using the same language in I believe it was 2016 or 24 I believe is 2016 around then To the as -off battalion folks in Ukraine and to the you know to the paramilitaries It's almost it's almost word for word You know this was But let me let me stick on the moussaidine thing for a second because this gets back to this fundamental structuring Why USA is allowed to is tasked with this you know This is a bigger budget in the CIA USA does it capacity builds the assets that CIA liaises with But if the assets aren't there CIA has no one to tell what to do you know they've none of their you know agents on the ground or You know case officers can build an action plan unless there are assets on the ground that have money that have training That have food that have shelter and USAid steps into build To put the chess pieces on the board that that the CIA can you know can play with Interestingly I should note that the you know the CIA gets a copy of every grant to the National Endowment for Democracy makes This was published in the New York Times and in a piece called you know Global missionaries for global pluralism about USAid's top operational arm Ned But but the point I'm getting at here is Why were we funding terrorists in the 1970s and 80s well According to our national security advisor.
1:45:19He's a big new Brzezinski the grand chessboard. You know this you know celebrated Apex predator of American statecraft You know, I think he had a quote that was something like well, you know Arm it. What is arming if you you know Islamic fundamentalists? You matter when weighed against the history of America winning the Cold War You know that this fundamentally destabilized and bogged the Soviet Union down You know, this was extremely effective, but also how do we fund the Mujahideen well the Mujahideen is in Afghanistan they were further came al -Qaeda and ISIS um What asset does Afghanistan have to play with in order to fund its Uh, it's War network.
1:46:04It's paramilitary network. Well, it's the drug network. They happen to sit on the uh, you know Basically the poppy fields that When exploited comprise 95 % of the world's heroin if you export that and so the CIA backed State Department USAid backed and we can go through seats of USAid doing this same you know drugs for cash for guns work in the 1960s Practically from the day it was born but What they were doing is they were taking those poppy harvest and then they were depositing them in CIA proprietary banks Like the like BCCI the Bank of Credit and Commerce International Everyone can look this up or if you want to plug in CIA BCCI and look at all the mainstream media reporting this It was a major major major scandal You know, it became one of the world's largest banks and it was basically a CIA front Uh, and it was a you know Pakistani frontman for this and it was Converting effectively washing the proceeds of these drugs so that they could be So that the Mujahideen could buy arms and while the you know with a Pakistani militants were being You know funded and trained in Pakistan and then they you know go to Afghanistan and Conduct military operations against uh, you know against Uh, you know against the Russians who were our stated cold war enemy the same things happening today though If you go on my ex -feed right now, I'm going to show you something related to this and how this still goes on today USAid has been busted multiple times For actually cultivating the poppy and heroin production in Uh, in Afghanistan exactly in Afghanistan.
1:47:43Uh, this was this was actually the inspector. You know, there was a It is one of the one of the adjacent units not I don't think it was directly overseeing Seeing USA, but they published a whole report on this that basically USAid, you know, was Keeping the poppy production alive by doing you know, what was said to be You know irrigation and you know agricultural sustainability Uh, but targeting it in the in the heroin uh network and this by the way remember the Taliban banned banned poppy production Uh, and it was after that ban that Afghanistan became the source of 95 % of the world's heroin So USAid was growing those crops now Okay, you can argue well.
1:48:26Hey, maybe it was an accident. Maybe they went rogue I want to show you something now from an adjacent USAid network group which is funded on 100 % by the US government created by an act of Congress If you if you go to my my ex account right now and you type in US institute for peace or you just put in institute peace You'll you'll see this This organization gets 56 million dollars a year from US taxpayers. It's offices right next to the US State Department. I literally walk by it It is a so it's funded by the government. It's it's accountable to the government It's you know accountable to the you know the house a house House and Senate, you know far and affairs farm relations It gets all of its money as a pass -through from the US State Department.
1:49:17Yeah type in it. Yeah, it's yeah There you go scroll scroll down scroll down that one that one right there right there telebands successful opium ban So this is 100 % top to bottom a direct organ of the US government. Okay. Oh, uh click that click that You know Okay, this Alban successful opium ban is bad for Afghans and the world The ban is not counter -narcotics victory and will have negative economic and humanitarian consequences potentially leading to a refugee crisis. How can they say it's not a counter -narcotics victory? Look and look at the date 20 this is this ain't ancient history. This is less than two years ago That's crazy.
1:49:59This is the State Department saying Yeah, listen 95 % of the world's heroin you know keeps it flows from here Keep the heroin flowing. It would be an economic disaster. Well, where do you think those drug money those What what paramilitary networks, you know, you hear about all these terrorist networks that uh you like Think about what just happened in Syria with ISIS Everyone well actually before I go to that. Let's let's get back to ISIS and the difference between the ISIS foreign policy for the Obama Biden world and Trump and I'm gonna connect this but uh wait can you pull that back up Jamie for a second Which one everyone to see it.
1:50:35Don't look away. Stairs straight into the sun. Go to the next next receipt here There you go 2024 budget and brief US Institute of peace is seeking 20 56 million dollars from US taxpayers To promote global peace and security. Don't you know by keeping the 95 % of the world's heroin flowing Um In accordance with its congressional mandate and then uh, you know, and then I think I have the next screenshot is just you know showing Did they give any examples of how it would promote peace to keep the The opium flowing Well, well because the way they're saying it's like this or wellian speak Well, yeah, you always have to invert it right when they say peace.
1:51:16It's war Right, so so this is this is war for example US Institute of peace was doing the same thing with the Albanian drug networks that formed a a paramilitary fighting squad Against the the the Yugoslavian government as we were overthrowing Slovenia Milosevic I mean this stuff goes goes way back. I mean this is created in 1984 somewhat thematic ironic You know by congress And again, this was a Ronald Reagan creation and why I come back to You know that thing that just broke the uh John Bolton hand grenade The holy hand grenade of Antioch from Antipython. This is the uh, you know He Nothing's nothing really gets to the heart of what USA truly is then the the image of John Bolton um proudly declaring that he was the head of policy and budget at USAID and his farewell gift from the agency was a Golden hand grenade with his name carved on it But you know what he said, you know in that in that pierce Morgan interview Uh, and I don't know if you we could play it if you want it off your feet.
1:52:22Yeah Uh, but you know what he said is listen I said it also said proud Reagan on and this is why I come back to this. We're fighting A number of ghosts from our past here. We're You know a lot of Republicans are fine with fighting Woodrow Wilson's ghost He was the one who you know said make the world safer democracy and gave us this doctrinal blank check to do soft power In infiltration work against every plot of dirt and every foreign citizen and every foreign country on planet earth gives us The blank check to be a global empire. Okay, a lot of people say okay. We don't focus on us You know Wilson's a bad guy.
1:52:59Okay, okay, but you're also fighting the ghost of Ronald Reagan You know, I should note that USAID is actually in its headquarters in DC's in the Ronald Reagan building USAID Play and Ronald Reagan played Played the key role in fundamentally creating the restructured Blob that we live under after the scandals of the 1970s that the CIA was busted in church committee hearings hard attack gun mocking bird mk ultra You know the assassinations you all that stuff Jimmy Carter got into power 1976 Carried out the harshest destruction of CIA operations capacity and funding ever in American history You laid off 30 % of the entire CIA operations division in a single day That was called the Halloween massacre crippled their budget Then the Iran hostage situation pops off in you know 79 Then the national security state argues this wouldn't have happened unless the CIA had its old powers back Democrats still hated the CIA at that time because it had been directly interfering in their own domestic politics And trying to thwart factions of them just like they're doing today against the mega movement side of the Republican party You know the universal thump has been passed around in that way But so they couldn't get a legislative bill to do this.
1:54:20So what they did is they they restructured the The intelligence apparatus the covert action capacities and the way our state craft is done through USAID And the creation of the national down for democracy to take the baton from what the CIA used to do But the whole point of it is is in tandem now. That's why you have these John Bolton at USA This is why you have Liz Cheney at USA You know, this is what we're fighting against and as we're reforming this is it's not really a partisan issue as I see it Even though in those statistics show there's disproportionate Democrat beneficiaries, but You know the real issue is the mega movement is fighting the the ghost of of Ronald Reagan passed The the reason Republicans loved USA John Bolton types Liz Cheney types love it is because This was our muscle for US Chamber of Commerce multinational companies To pad their profits Because Exxon and mobile Exxon mobile how many you know how many hundreds of billions in the aggregate has Exxon mobile and Chevron benefited from from US regime change efforts or US Pressure on foreign governments in order to give them access to the petroleum in order to do partnerships with those governments We saw that just you know a few years ago as we just went over with Joe Biden doing the same thing for barisma But so the big the big multinational businesses loved this and it was sold as trickle -down economics This is the the Reaganite sort of Reaganomics and why it's attached to the hip with USA And why this is something we need to keep in mind is we reform Is that the idea was is look we do some dirty work abroad But at the end of the day that Pads profits and revenue for US companies those US companies employ US citizens And they build manufacturing plants in Ohio and in in Colorado in New Mexico and That's what allows you to 401k's that's what allows you have discretionary income That's what allows you to afford higher education in houses and and a retirement plan The problem was is as globalization Kept on a kept a pace you know through the 90s and 2000s These same multinational corporations that the Reaganite You know trickle -down economics You know use the blob to to to to support the Chamber of Commerce They don't hire their labor here anymore.
1:56:42They don't have their manufacturing of facilities here anymore You know, we're not the primary export market for this so you have US state State Department and USAid paying to help the corporate welfare of nominally US -based companies But the trickle it's it's all being kept within that secular blob of the you know the thicket of government officials equity holders in these corporations foreign currency speculators, you know banking on the activity in the region You know the banks financial firms and and political insiders and so it doesn't actually get down to the people anymore So you do need to restructure if you're going to keep using this In order to qualify yet you have to have A certain minimal threshold of Reinvestment in America, which I'm very happy that Trump is doing by trying to bring all this investment You know you saw with the Japan and other countries is trying to get them double triple their commitments We need to demand that of our own corporations if they want to have a meeting with the Secretary of State or the Or the head of the Central Intelligence Agency like Pepsi did in the 1970s when we overthrew that if you want to go there This is also this is it's so deep that it makes you wonder is there enough time in four years to unravel this stuff Oh, no, not four years.
1:58:05This is this is a this is a 50 year project 50 year project. Oh, yeah There are many fractal layers to this reform process Um and every step of the way there are going to be layers of resistance. I don't think The the people who are look we should spike footballs. We should pop champagne We should do a touchdown dance on this. This is the first serious time in American history that the foreign policy establishment Has had to be accountable to the people who pay for it um Even the church committee Didn't cause the entire shutdown of of a federal agency didn't lay off, you know, remember I mentioned the uh The Halloween massacre Jimmy Carter 30 % of the workforce laid off.
1:58:51Yeah, we'll try to just hand with us aid Which I employees, you know a lot more people than even the CIA did at you at that time 99 99 percent went from 14 ,000 down to 290 This is in every way symbolically operationally financially The hardest blow the blob has ever had to suffer in terms of accountability And it's only getting way deeper from here because he's only been in office for a month Yeah, well, that's why we know we need to create A legacy and a pipeline of people to carry on these reforms which is Part of my personal struggle here, which is that Most people 99 percent of people who got involved with the mega movement did it because they care about the domestic They care about you know, we talked about this they the guy because they're there's their school curriculum Is woke because the the police allow crime, you know in the streets and you know, you you know The infrastructures crumbling and there's corruption everywhere and no one's held accountable They don't think about Pakistan.
1:59:56They don't think about Bangladesh. They don't think they don't they don't they don't they don't think about You know Who's on the US eyes are by John Chamber of Commerce and you know how if they're living in Louisiana or Houston or You know Oklahoma that actually their jobs at Exxon mobile and Chevron sort of depend on these, you know, this strong armed diplomacy that we have with Persian Gulf countries they don't care about the Persian Gulf they they care about local Oklahoma and But they're they have to now In order to understand the world they live in in order to understand what's what's driving the world around them in order to understand The actual true face of the characters.
2:00:38They've thought they've known They're going to have to become International -minded. They're going to have to become Versed in the interplay between the domestic and the international One of the problems when I started out this journey in 2016 is there was no Maga foreign policy intelligence. Yeah, I could make all of these, you know, I was I was traveling the country Slide show presentation after slide show presentation talking to every human I could Even DC insiders in in you know in Maga you'd show them all of this and they didn't have a framework for understanding it you they could they could see That they could see that the information was true.
2:01:20They could see that this is are you know formal government documents These are formal grant outlays to real organizations run by real people with real names and addresses. It's you know, but But But they didn't on you'd have to explain the function of every single one of those You know, you'd have to explain for example that um The Pentagon doesn't awful lot more than kinetic military activity, you know, for example when I draw This is this is what's coming next, right? President Trump tasked Elon Musk with sick and the doge dogs on on the Pentagon and You know depending on how you measure it The size of waste for on abuse of the Pentagon ranges from A couple hundred billion.
2:02:06They are the biggest you know federal agency in all this. They have nine hundred billion dollar budget compared to only 44 billion at USA And even less it it's CIA so they but you know the this Yahoo finance, you know Published this a couple years ago a 35 trillion dollar black hole if you want to pull up that receipt on screen Just so I don't look like I'm saying this directly myself, but just type in 35 trillion Pentagon black hole The that's larger than You know the entire national debt just the amount of just the black hole in the size of the accounting budget of the Pentagon Over the years from its continual You know failing.
2:02:46Yeah, this is on Yahoo finance, you know, this is and this is what 2020 I think uh, you have When America was born in 1789 in the first meeting of Congress There were only three agencies that were created in the beginning of time Shall we say the first act of Congress was to create the Department of State the Department of Treasury and the Department of War And the defense department is the is the department it became the Department of War in 19 The Department of War became the Department of Defense in in 1948 What what people even now they're seeing these these USAID scandals with funding to the Democrats Are funding to some of these blob internationalist Republicans or funding these media institutions You ain't seen nothing yet when you get to the Pentagon stuff because USAID uh was Created effectively in part to assist Pentagon activity under humanitarian front And I talk about this a lot, but I feel that the point is under appreciate So this is sort of a good moment to go over it.
2:03:49Am I talking too much by the way? No perfect. Okay So everyone you know they say You know JFK is a martyred figure you know and in the news again this week obviously with uh, you know the The new trove of documents and whatnot and trumps eo around uh The source of assassination, but the fact that JFK created Uh Created USAID By executive order in 1961 and he is Known and loved as a is a martyred figure regardless of who in the end killed him um has given us sort of public in in premature On USAID as a or USAID as it used to be called and you know You know in order to try to Make clear that it was not uh, you know in aid organization, but um now now almost you know even that Polynesians has dropped off as they need to defend it more and more but So they they think okay, you know JFK martyred deeply beloved figure he created USAID It was sort of out of the kindness of his heart.
2:04:53It was a charity. You know this was It was JFK who fundamentally supercharged uh, america's The american militaries small wars capacity This is the the the terminology in the us army war college and special forces around you know sort of not full -scale Conventional wars there either small but small scale paramilitary um scirmishes or um or the insurgency counter insurgency so it's And the problem was is JFK was was bogged down in Vietnam bogged down in in lous and the the problems that we were fighting against We're not the kind of things that you know, you'd have the the political predicate after a lot of the disasters of the career of the Korean war in 1950 And uh and the international blowback to having formal DOD boats in the grounds What what he believed was was vital and necessary to capacity build and supercharge was a Cova a paramilitary covert capacity for DOD in the war fighting space that the CIA had had at that point in the political war space And this is done through the us special forces And through uh some of its sub branches which are psychological operations civil military affairs And we we can stick with that uh, but basically these are civil military is When in order to achieve the military objective Uh the the thing that needs to be done is actually something of the civil layer like for example In order to win the war in uh against russia right now nato believes we need to build the single largest military base In all of nato On the black sea coast of romania That points straight out in a line at krimia and move this this base that's under construction is a hundred percent bigger than the biggest current air force a nato base in You know in europe the the ramstein base in in germany we're now moving as we speak there are fighter jets and drones being moved from Germany to romania as we are building this base that will be the point of source projection against The the black sea navy of russia against the you know against krimia in order to you know turn the tide well That's a military operation right the the the the military the nato military base against the russian forces in krimia But what is actually the most important strategic objective for the military section on military one It's a civil one See there's an election going on in romania right now you may have you may have heard about this the cancelled election In romania with the georgia skew this right wing populist figure who is pledged neutrality in the war Doesn't want to he's no it's only antagonize america but he does want to kill the russians He doesn't want he wants to Basically back nato off and he doesn't want to allow this military base to be to be made well That is a civil decision by the elected government of romania Decided by the hearts and minds of the voters of the romanian people But that civil action will either In nato's eyes When the war or lose the war So the problem is is It would kind of be something of a diplomatic incident shall we say if nato rolled in and did um, you know Slobodan Milosevic style airst you know airstriping of uh, you know airstripes against the romanian Parliament building and rolled into uh, you know rolled into the capital with tanks and troops just because um, you know The president was responding to the democrat bill of people so you need another mechanism to influence the civil affairs enter civil military This is where you get us aid in this as well as us aid for psychological operations If for example, I've been I've been playing this you know clip for for months now and showing this you know US military document from the John f kennedy special warfare uh, you know center.
2:08:59I mean the the the special forces the psychological operations Um and civil military training and recruiting center at fort brag the center of our psychological operations is called the john f kennedy special warfare uh, you know training center but you USA does that work so for example, I've been showing a military document from the biden mark millie era published in 2021 About how to plan race riots in africa in order to uh in order to stop the construction of a uh of a of a port by a foreign government That would allow their force projection into the Atlantic ocean in a sample scenario where the u .s.
2:09:40ambassador tries to get this west african country on the you know on the Atlantic coast there Uh to to cancel the port construction for the in partnership with the foreign government But that government doesn't want to do it And so they refuse the u .s. ambassador. They refuse the state department So this is literally in the planning guide and pitch book for the u .s. special forces. It's available online right now Everyone can look this up. It's all over my xx speed a post link a million times and all the screenshots But they show the role of special forces they they're pitching this basically to you know to get more grant funding that That we can help a near peer competition actually with these with foreign countries by having special forces destabilize the country Inflame racial tensions between the africans who work in the factories And the business owners of the foreign government in the local regional development Uh cause mass walkouts and strikes but if you want to pull this on screen I can you know it's if you see you know I can just show you these two these two things um if you just go to my x -feed and um uh you can type in Renterize or you just type in uh you know just type in us a job fairs or us a you know job and you'll see in this scenario uh they They talk about in the interagency coordination between defense diplomacy and development you know uh all the the the roles yes it's a us a job you can pull it up And what they propose is that as they are inflaming these racial tensions to cause these riots and boycotts of the local businesses that US aid would play the role of swooping in yeah go ahead and click those And I can show you the source documents and everything it's it's all over um so iwc for example's information warfare centered for brag again they're in west africa this now This is a sample scenario with a hypothetical african country and I don't want to be labor this I'm not trying to cause an international incident by saying this I'm just trying to get the american people insight into why you are going to find us a finger prints all over pentagon operations and no one's going to have known about it before because you park it at us aid The military doesn't have to tell the president what they're actually doing This is why for example you had the fight over ISIS and uh uh uh But we can get to this right after this but you know i'll we'll get to how How the us military duped trump through these these uh things Constantly playing shell games with the numbers in Syria for example You'll see you know what the information warfare center did is um You know they saw sign along the road for this port construction And they they say the plan is we need to buy the ambassador more time Uh because this port is going to be you they're going to close on it And we need to give the ambassador more leverage to the negotiating table So this is a support operation for the state department in order to secure an agreement from the african government to shut the port down But right now the ambassador doesn't have the smoke doesn't have the cloud doesn't have the leverage So the military will come in and provide that leverage By destabilizing the country call you know inflaming long standing friction between the african workers and the foreign corporations Popping off protests and then using their swarm army of internews us aid You know the the social media campaign and media articles to that are led actually in the background by the Information warfare center at Fort Bragg to illuminate the controversy to a global audience This caused international financial pressure and sanctions on the but if you go to the next slide And here we go us aid.
2:13:12So this is again US military document 2021 by administration To make sure this thing really pops off USAID is going to swoop in along with other NGOs to establish job fairs near the protest areas So that when so that when these in racially inflamed african workers uh Want you know take to the streets They don't need to worry about losing their careers at those companies. They just went on strike at because they're going to be on US taxpayer dime baby. It's going to be US truck drivers Me in income, you know 45 -50 ,000 a year paying for striking african workers to get no show jobs as a part of a race riot operation for the US Special forces to give leverage to the US State Department ambassador in order to stop a A random port construction in west africa and it says here within two weeks the construction company lost 60 % of its required labor pool So it's effective now you and and this is where I don't know if you want you know Take a breather and pivot to something lighter, but this is where it starts to get really really nasty because There are layers to this That I see But because I'm not an insider.
2:14:26I'm not I don't have access to the inside government documents. I don't have subpoena power at congress um there
2:14:38Someone has to has to get an answer on some of these questions and um I was going to talk about the connection of this to You know the rental riots I should say formally we don't know that the rent rights formally the riots that popped off in this country in 2020 in that I see as one of the main ways that the blob May be able to regain leverage here in the United States in the years ahead Right right now. They're doing law fair They're they're trying to mend They're a little bit impotent right now because their coalition is very fractured Many of the stalwart international Republicans have gone full mega so the bipartisan consensus on this is weaker than it was and then probably most uh Most difficult for them There's a bit of a civil war happening even within the democrat party because of all the bad blood between the Biden camp and the Kamala Harris camp I mean you need a unified network on the democrat side to pull this off and you had Joe Biden you know Joe Biden was Soft cood out of office by his own party and you have half the democrat party who was in by it was a very contentious long drawn out process Joe Biden put on a mega hat actually asked one of those union workers I believe he was one of those people at the that event for the mega hat to put on and that was a that was quite a How about Jill Biden wearing a red dress when she went to vote.
2:16:04Yeah. Yeah good It's a big deal and and when Joe Biden walked out At that White House press conference to announce that Donald Trump had won the election day before If people go back and watch that I have never seen Joe Biden smile harder in my way when he when he had Trump in the White House and smiling and lat He looked like he was having a good old time right right was happy a stark contrast between Obama welcoming Trump in 2016 right right and Obama was was backing the Kamala, you know sort of uh, you know, aster of Biden and so When they were all united in this bipartisan, you know, blob network and the democrats working completely cohesive and a full half of the republican party was US internationalist You could get this buy -in for example.
2:16:55It was easy to synchronize the US Chamber of Commerce with The AFL CIO with with with the union street muscle the way so USAID You know get just back back at this whole USA Truman show and I didn't like I say this ever there is no Nothing you can tell me that is not affected by by the USA Truman show You want to talk about the music industry? I can I tell you about the USAID's Complete infiltration of the music industry. Oh, so oh my gosh. Okay, so and maybe I can show you know receipts on screen here for for a second Um, do you want to we'll we'll start with with with an easy one because it's it's directly connected to what we were just talking about with zoons and EO and Cuba so if you go to This Max Blumenthal's outlets called gray zone news and again, I'm not trying to beat up on our foreign policy establishments foreign policy on Cuba or way into that but this is how the sauce is made and you're gonna see a million examples of this in a second of this But but go to go to just type in on Google like or any search engine gray zone news Yeah Cuban rappers USAID and um, you know, you'll see this and and uh, you know, these are basically sponsored hip -hop artists to write you know to to do revolutionary hip -hop to appeal to To appeal to the Afro Cuban community who the national now for democracy had identified as being A demographic see every time we do these operations USAID see the NGOs they'll they'll submit what they call baseline assessment or strategic assessment to the state department where they will do Where they will do a demographic segmentation of all the demographics in the country who's who's pro us Who's against us in the region and then they will micro target the grants and the capacity building to capacity build the The burning ember to turn it into a flame so for example and and just see you see this But you can go to the CI world fact book right now.
2:19:02This is this is just the public facing CI .gov You can type in a random country like Burma on just deviance CI, you know world world book Burma You'll see the We keep meticulous tabs on the The racial distribution the religious distribution the gender distribution the you know the out the hetero normative versus LBG LGBT one. This is why USAID and NED were we're backing and supporting pussy riot in Russia You know to do these you know sort of Insane You know sort of feminist LGBTQ style left -wing Street riots and this is what they you know causes international incident you can see all the USAID NED stuff on on them for pussy riot is the music industry and Go to YouTube and look at their music videos if you want to see what state sponsor what state sponsored You know music looks like but in the Cuba case You know they were NED had published this document NED is the operations on a USAID and they get ton of their grants through it and they're a companion star Said okay all of our previous attempts to overthrow the Cuban government failed well You know something like 60 % of the Cuban population is afro Cuban.
2:20:13They're they're radically underrepresented in the Cuban government They they have their own grievances around police policing issues and around representation issues And they even noted in the document that that demographic and I'm not saying this NED is saying this in Cuba is disproportionately drawn to drugs Influence by rat music and and suffers from overwhelming amount of you know of unearth unemployment and so capacity building those desperate networks capacity building you know the You know anti -addiction programs will get you into the into the into the drug numbers Doing job fairs and and you know getting these people on US payroll will alleviate their pain points on on Employment and they all they're you know predominantly listening to hip -hop So we need to work with I believe the group is the sanicide remote and I'm not beating up on it You can make an argument that that I'm not weighing in on whether this is good or bad But the American people have to know this because this gets played on their radio stations in Miami This gets you know art testimonials to this are at you know Art Basel in Miami every year You know and this this is the Truman show around you But you you can read that graze on report for example I'll write up on that on all the USA funding all the meetings with the US and ambassador and you know and you know Western hemisphere assistant secretary folks You know how how the whole thing was Get you can talk about musicians like do a leap.
2:21:40You know you're familiar to a leap. I've heard the name Yeah, you know don't stop now you know she's You know a million of these great hits Fantastic musician. I'm a big fan on the music side Um do a leap of one the distinguished leadership award I forgive for his last year of the year before from the Atlanta council um Atlanta council That's the same organization that we played on screen Uh during our first conversation where we went over the Atlanta council, you know holding up I call bullshit placards BS uh and looking at trump tweets and training hundreds of journalists For how to flag and censor him saying tweets like witch hunt or Brexit slogans for you know cheaper health care The the Atlanta council who has seven CIA directors seven former number one heads of the CIA on its board of directors That gets direct grant funding from the Pentagon the state department in USAID uh The Atlanta council who had a formal partnership agreement with barisma.
2:22:45I should note signed on January 19th 2017 one day before trump became the US president Why the heck would they give do a leap of a you know distinguished leadership award? Well, you know she's ethnic Albanian and has activities in Kosovo and but I'm not trying to cause an international incident when I say this but you know her messaging around the The post Yugoslavia breakup uh Balkan states and a lot of the geopolitics around Serbia right now The US State Department has been pursuing as well as USAID and to whatever extent You may or may not be there, you know the the civil military arm of of the of the US military um I believe not a privy day inside information This is this is my my reading of the tea leaves that I've been laying out before everyone um Is is not very happy with the government of Serbia and they want that Serbian government People in the Serbian government arrested and dited and put through a process that they call transitional justice And transitional justice is the idea that when you transition a country when you overthrow its government or you pump up your Favorite political party to win the election it transitions from democracy from autocracy to democracy Or it transitions from Eliberal democracy to genuine democracy It's a turnover of government and uh and we have Doctrine we have a whole field of scholarship at the State Department at USAID Uh, and that is carried out in covert ways through civil military And at CIA called transitional justice which is weaponizing the justice department and creating the Criminal predicate to eliminate your political adversaries you just narrowly vanquished in a nail -biter vote um in order to stop them from ever rising to power again And I'll show you some great receipts on this so that everyone can see this with their own eyes But before I do let me just flesh this out for a second which is that Every regional desk at the State Department or or in the USAID portfolio Has to compete every year on for their budget they to fight for their lives because the people you know, uh, who are the regional desk around Kyrgyzstan and you know Georgia, Moldova, Latvia, Lithuania They're competing for in the budget for what's going to western hemisphere What's going to Argentina and Brazil and Colombia and they're competing against some air and after So the cheaper it is to manage the political vassalage of a country the better they may have had to to To ask for a lot more money in the budget one off in election year to run that money through democracy international or through saps or or any A number of USAID or any D programs to fund the political party they want they want to win But they can't keep that since the they were only given that money because it was a specialty They're not necessarily going to be able to get that the next time around and they'll be able to spend money on other Soft power goals in the region if it's if they don't have to worry about the other party rising again We're doing what Trump just did, you know, winning then losing then winning again And so transitional justice is a whole field at state and in the NGO Plex to To make it cheap to manage the course of and result of foreign elections by making sure anyone who's a serious challenger to you Ends up in jail and I'm just going to share you something because it's now in the news Elon Musk this week You know, you know tweeted out about you know horrible situation where someone from the PIS the You know law and justice party in Poland.
2:26:24I believe it's now facing a rest for clicking the like button on a social media post Jesus and You know what's the post? I don't actually know what the post was one cogniz I played the fan I don't but but The fact is is You know Poland plays and I've been saying this forever and this is maybe too far a field for for the narrow topic or discussion today But Poland plays an absolutely huge Uh Probably the linchpin role in all of Eastern Europe with everything that's happening with Ukraine because the whole play was to kill Russian gas And then you need an alternative gas supply into Europe to offset that and there's only two ways to do that One is Ukraine builds up its own gas Infrastructure and exploits its endogenous You know hydrocarbon supply which it has a lot of it's the third largest in Europe But it's unexploit underexploited Fortunately, they can't do that right now because Russia reconquered that exact territory in Eastern Ukraine that those sit on the only The only way to of the other way to do that is through exporting LNG, you know liquefied natural gas From North America, you know from the Permian basin or whatnot in Houston freezing it shipping it, you know 6 7 ,000 miles across the Atlantic up through the the Baltic straits through these newly imported newly built You know routing terminals into Poland and the terminals there and then routing it there into Slovakia and Ukraine and central Europe and on from there This doesn't this bring us back to what Mike Johnson said that Biden had signed an executive order that he hadn't read about liquid natural gas Yeah, well, that's interesting because that has to do also with the economics of it You know, you don't want too much supply because then the profits of the corporations You know, they're selling it they're selling it for less margin as the as the supply goes up But yeah, the LNG fight is is The major one in in the energy space, but it's much more expensive for LNG that process liquefcation transport De -liquification transport back is way cheaper than just taking out the ground and putting in a pipeline You know straight straight to the customer So the European countries don't want to do this they don't they or at least Until they were strong armed and you know what with the State Department and NATO have done is they've selectively Bread and financed and politically supported all of the European political parties and candidates who have vowed To basically go go forward with this plan and put their put their country through an energy diversification Policy and buy this expensive LNG, which is skyrocketed I should know the profits of you know many of these these western exporters And so again, there's an argument.
2:29:01Maybe that's in the US interests If there was that trickle down, but we'll leave that aside for the point is is Poland basically is a veto right on this whole plan Because if the poll if the Poland government says hey, you know what we don't want to antagonize the Russians The Russians may actually attack us, you know This is this is provocative because this is in tandem with the plan to cut off gas from Also, we don't want to become a political vassal state of the US or the UK or NATO And this is what was starting to happen with the law and order You know, you know law and justice PIS party in Poland and so this whole network the Atlanta council network was backing to the full hilt Donald Tusk who became the prime minister of Poland in I believe December 2023 with that context Jamie.
2:29:45Can you pull on screen? I just Reupt these receipts. I've been posting this for months, but this is very Everyone should see this with their own eyes. So because this gets back to OCC RP and state sponsored media to prosecute people This gets back to you know the role of of the USAID Capacity building the networks around prosecutors here in the US The USAID capacity building the prosecutor networks and we should get to that on Brazil But let's can we start here with Poland? Yeah We kind of like bypass the whole music industry. Oh my god. No, wait. We've just we've just started on that. Okay. Here's an easy one Look up look at the US music diplomacy program So this is this is but this is all music overseas or use music domestically as well Well, that's the issue is because there's this interplay for so first I'll get back to the Dua Lepa Yeah, Atlanta council thing so Again, essentially, you know, she's calling out human rights abuses from you know the these Balkan governments You know with a with a family pedigree and popularity and Kosovo and other places that are hugely In Geo the geopolitical crosshairs right now and so And I'm not saying whether it's good or bad again.
2:30:56I'm not even weighing in on you know the the humanitarian abuses or whatnot What I'm saying is is it's music as an instrument of state craft Dua Lepa is this is the the US military the state department USAID seven CIA directors the barisma networks Because you know she's got Tens of millions of social media followers should people you know who or die hard follower concert She's an international superstar and her public support for calling out human rights abuses by you know These these Balkan governments that are in the crosshairs of the US state department Makes it easier to prosecute those political figures just like with the OCC RP publishing hit pieces for higher These people become less popular because the people who love Dua Lepa have to sort of hate those US state department enemies.
2:31:45This has been going on forever. Okay Jazz diplomacy the state department was doing this with black African jazz musicians to win the soft power war against Against the Soviet Union in Africa in the 1940s the state department was working with Louis Armstrong and most of the major Jazz musicians because Russia the Soviet Union was making the argument in these newly sovereign Independent African countries who had to pick a side in the great power competition That America was racist America discriminates against African Americans There's there's all this you know You know upward mobility limitations.
2:32:20There's you know, there's no legal part of the underrepresented in the government The Marxist socialist egalitarian concept of communism will liberate you from the racial inequalities of western imperialist capitalism That and so to offset that we did jazz diplomacy you can pull this up on screen as I talk about this Jamie Just see you see this is on state .gov you can let you can look up this old this old history. I'm telling you I look up, you know US State Department jazz diplomacy and I'm looking it up. Louis Armstrong initially pushed back on it though He said the way they're treating my people in the South the government can go to hell Yes, well many of them did or had a complicated relationship with it But you can I mean you can look up everyone like you know, for example, they targeted You know other You know african -american musicians who were you know who are using their platform?
2:33:13Who's the guy who sings a old man river? Paul oh my god, why am I blank on the name? Does he go lesbian? Yeah, does he go lesbian headed the first state department sponsor tour? Okay, but we've this is every John telling you it's every single genre of music. Is it rap music as well? Oh my god rap music. Can I tell the evolution from from you know jazz to classical to rock music to rap sure so so In the 1950s and 60s and again, Jamie you can just follow along as I'm saying all this if you want to put on screen There was a big classical music Shostakovich and other you know Russian you know, Soviet Classical composers were more popular in Europe than American ones were and these were you know Big aristocratic concerts and elites and they would be listening to Russian You know, they'd be You know listening to Russian music again to know more Russian culture and that would that would Come money would flow into the institutions prestige would and so to combat that the CIA backed Front group and this is all public, you know public and notes called the congress or cultural freedom sponsored American Classical musicians to travel abroad they're sponsored classical music concerts in Rome and in and in Paris and in and in Germany in order to pump up and sponsor and and have you know our classical musicians be more predominant in distribution or Or basically you know dominate, you know What at the time were effectively you know the airwaves in Europe and in or do that we did the same thing with rock music You know, for example, I mentioned pussy riot and and pussy riot being you know backed by us aid and NED in 2012 In in Russia, but also look at the the German rock music scene that you know in We were sponsoring these You know protest rock anthems against authoritarian governments all over the iron curtain You know throughout the Cold War and in fact you we were sponsoring them basically right up against the side of the Berlin As we were taking it down Everyone right now can go on youtube .com and watch the the documentary called taking taking down a dictator Which is a in -depth Pro regime change I think it was PBS who produced it.
2:35:41This is US government funded media Where it has in -depth interviews with with all of the architects of the color revolution against slow but omelosevich in the 1990s Working with a group called oat pour which received 72 million dollars of US taxpayer funding in order to pump up their political operations Again, I'm not weighing in on whether it was good or bad You know, I leave it to to the to the audience to you know make their own determination But you can see how even in that effectively state sponsored Documentary the State Department's website. Mm -hmm. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna have yeah We're gonna have a lot more on on that when we get to the rap program because they just sponsored 22 rappers and hip -hop artists from around the world to personally come to the State Department and You know be trained in youth engagement and democracy mobilization in their countries and art as activism 22 rappers from Cameroon You know Algeria Fran We'll pull that up as we as we get to it but the coming coming back to the You know the I think we're on the rock music, you know side of these are they're sponsoring this protest rock Okay, just lost my thread for a second.
2:36:55I felt like I was Have you ever read that Laurel Canyon book? Yeah, yeah the CIA's involvement in the rock scene in the 1960s. Yeah. Yeah, yeah We're seen since inside the canyon. Yeah, yeah um I think it would benefit greatly from a lot of the stuff that I'm I'm laying out now would to see how these things had a foreign Purpose for for pumping up a domestic scene and why you see these military interlinkages with it with You know with all these music promoters For example, um, you know, they sent you in that graze on article. I recommended on in Cuba. You know, they The USA had ran that operation to sponsor protest rap music through Through people a contractor posing as music promoters in Cuba You know basically looking at these local rap groups and saying we can make you an international star baby You know type type thing and then they get radio distribution And this is how you see these bono types and sting types who are at every single save Ukraine conference again Not even weighing in on the substance of it.
2:38:02You know the you want distribution You use you know you use as a batteriam and I'd be remiss if I didn't say this even though I know that this is going to cause a lot of headlines But here's a great example of this uh the NATO psychological operations planning center In um in regalatvia in 2019 and you can pull this on screen if you type in uh tailors swift NATO Are you type in um You know, uh, what was it uh trained trained to share messaging or just trained trained messaging and uh and and I this was a big news cycle There was a huge controversy around it uh a lot of people misreported it by By closing the loops on things that were that I that I didn't say Um, but that are open questions about what really happened, which which is you know this sort of tailors swift as an international state graph When the example I give here is um and if you pull this up on screen and if you just you know Jamie you'll see this and so they have an all underlined This is a public YouTube right now on NATO's formal website the western military lines They set up this psychological operations strategic communication cell to do internet censorship and information operations out of after Crimea and regalatvia And in 2019 they held a uh a conference there about you know how to use AI AI scanning technology to map out Narrative distribution networks on social media, you know facebook twitter whatnot and there's three people you know who are at this thing uh, you know One of them was 77th brigade from uh from british intelligence who are who are presenting to NATO One of them started their career in the central intelligence agency and one of them uh, you know was Put in the description is a you know someone who worked at it was part of the Johns Hopkins School of International affairs uh school But then that actually was announced on the panel and You know according to their length in was actually working at the time for graphica which is the Which does this internet censorship they get seven million dollars from the Pentagon They were incubated they were they had a they were formally incubated inside the Pentagon's maneuver initiative Which is the psychological operations research center of the Pentagon when the Pentagon wants to do psychological operations in Africa or in central asia they turn to the thought leadership the The sort of policy planners who pitch ideas about well, you know these tactics work So for example one of them a nerve initiative grants not to graphica this group But others because there's was for russia gate stuff So you know sort of psychological operations You know stuff around uh fighting the hearts of mines were against russia But graphica but you know others in in the cohort were How to secure citizen buy -in After a crisis event it in order to make people trust their government Against what when we topple the government and people think it's a it's a coup I mean basically how to get people to trust their government when they're skeptical of it And then he's turned around and see graphica was partnered with At the Atlanta Council as well as the u .s department of Homeland Security to censor the 2020 election and partnered with you know our own NIH to censor covid But the fact is all three people in this panel were involved or had a career at one point in an intelligence work And and specifically you know at least with two of them psychological operations and on screen And jamey if you can find it you're I think you're gonna you're gonna You're gonna save us both a lot of headache because everyone will just see it right there in red underline on a YouTube video everyone can pull up right now if let me know if you're having trouble finding it just trained to spread maybe Um, and I'll I'll have this my time but it literally has A pitch to NATO.
2:41:59I'm sure I'm looking for exactly for that video It's 2019 NATO conference, right? Yeah, if you just type in if you just go to my x -feet and you just hit the search bar and you type in tailor swift I'm on YouTube though. You said go to YouTube. No, no, my x -feet is the best way to search it um But it has a a picture on that slide deck where again, this is psychological operations planners pitching to NATO the world you know the western world's military alliance And the slide has a picture of tailor swift and it says basically says something like and when the receipts of old screen You can you'll read it directly it says you know an example of you know Celebrities who can be trained to spread desired messaging.
2:42:41I think that was the exact phrase trained to spread desired messaging And she and the presenter goes over the drawbacks of this and how and you know Whether we need to side some of the moral efficacy of this But basically saying that with you know, tailor swift has worked in various things before that have been empirically shown to move the need along government initiatives For example her get out the vote, you know Or get out the vote work Increase the vote her public health campaign stuff while buying there. Well, don't that video has a lot cursor Okay, you have pause right there. Okay, you don't have a scroll up scroll right there pause right there And if you see that goal identify key actors to train and spread desired messaging This is on NATO's we pay for NATO We paid for this to be pitched now here's where some of this story got misreported I don't know that anyone from NATO Directly reached out to tailor swift or her campaign to do that I'd this and if they did this would not be formalized in a formal pentagon Grant or quid pro quo, but I should note Look at who the biggest sponsor of south by south west is in in Texas now It's the mill to go ahead and look up the scandal if you want about south by south west Pentagon funding They've taken over the music industry because it's hearts and minds work Uh Okay, I guess that just happened in 2024.
2:43:58Let's see if you if you go to okay, so this is caused so much problems Um from for the past couple years that I guess they're now they're now reforming this But if you if you run a bully in search for before 2024, you'll you'll see this But basically the pentagon or if you scroll down maybe it might be right there Um, so it costs this big boycott because the pentagon in tandem with this music diplomacy program in these USA aid backing of these things Um, okay, well, that's that's a that's a US Army in Palestine one, but you'll see the numbers on this basically um The pentagon moves into this And just like they were you know, getting do a leap of the awards just like their work with pussy ride Just like they have 22 in fact you can look this up if you want the state department music diplomacy program 22 rappers hip hop you'll see Again, these people become network nodes.
2:44:51They become assets to play with and you know an incredible example of this That I that I hesitate to To discuss here because I know that the Organization uh, that these documents leak leak from is is contesting Um, you know, the you know these documents, but you know there's um There's evidence to suggest the same play around recruiting the you know the hip hop artists in in Cuba and you know in and also here you go Breakdancing news diplomacy meets hip hop is 22 artists visit the US Okay, this is the US State Department. We are paying to recruit them as assets So when they go and you go I look at the country list if you if you want look how far and wide this is to the edges of the earth um You know, uh, you know, Mongolia, Cameroon uh You know, there's there's a whole there's a whole thing here, but basically The it was protest rock you know, it was protest rap in in Cuba for that USA'd operation.
2:45:54It was protest wrap You know, there's there's language for example in this gray zone report around Bangladesh and I'll leave it to the The current fight, but you know between them and The national number of democracy about the nature of those documents, but you know those documents that the gray zone published Have two rap songs in Bangladesh that that have lines like they were designed to inspire anti government act uh sentiment and to uh and to promote uh street protests and uh and political reform. I mean It literally writing rap albums to get people to take to the streets and pull off the exact riot that the State Department wants to destabilize the country And music penetrates.
2:46:40I mean, this is what they got really attached to storing the Cold War and and or in the 1980s because It's it's in fact in those documents. They talk about how sponsoring individual artists is actually sometimes a lot more effective Because they do art and activism while they're doing they're putting on these festivals that they're promoting an agenda at the festivals While they are putting these you know songs on radio distribution and supercharging, you know, they're they're brand those songs have themes and messages about Taking down authoritarian governments and the people got to rise up and you know, we have and you know, we you have to represent the will of the people We have to you know end poverty, you know, and then they'll make the arguments the governments fault that there's poverty We have to add we have to end Racial or gender inequality and then the State Department will or USA will be working through its demographic segmentation with those exact groups This is another reason we've been pumping out these feminist groups and these LGBT groups if you want for example You can pull up the WikiLeaks CIA red cell memo that showed how the CIA pitched to the State Department in the during the Afghanistan war that the best way to shore up additional funds from European parliaments is to is to transition states Media octopus messaging from a national security predicate for for the war to a to a feminism and a women's empowerment one because of fieldwork and polling from the central intelligence agency Around Europe showed that European parliaments and and voting demographics felt It said on surveys that they were more More willing to give money or wanted to give more money From their their own government coffers their own taxpayer funds to the war in Afghanistan If it was about stopping repression against women or if it was about Giving women more rights in the society and whatnot and so that that wasn't because the CIA Loves feminism now this was a cold calculated instrument of state craft To shift the messaging and then also to work with these exact groups who have that cleavage point acts to grind against their against their country As part of the mobilizations is how you see a lot of these women's marches and women's protests Or you see a lot of these sort of protected class ones because that also gets you the human rights You know predicate to uh to add sanctions and another uh, you know Protected speech measures like this is why the State Department pushed Facebook to put hate speech provisions in place to stop hate speech against the Rohingya One of the things that's come up that has been uh talked about quite a bit over the last couple of years Is that the government had Some sort of an influence on the emergence of gangster rap And the promotion of it.
2:49:27Mm -hmm. What do you know about that? I don't have a good record You know in the in the 80s and 90s there's there's a lot of strange things there And I want to tell you what I really feel um It is highly controversial though and I I I'm not sure with everything else that we're covering and some of the other things that I You know, I'd like to be able to just hit before the conversation concludes about about USAID's Control and influence over prosecutors and an example in Brazil since I know that a lot of people in Brazil. Yeah, okay Um
2:50:07I'm gonna launch off I say this uh
2:50:12When you read that national now for democracy wipe. Oh, we didn't do the Poland one Can I put can I just can we circle back to this in one second before just because this this really is Uh an appropriate international incident to talk about this here If you if you go to my x -feed and you just type in search Poland or the word PIS As a one -off or you can just scroll down you'll see I reupped it You know earlier this morning you're gonna see The the national down for democracies in house journal called the journal democracy again the any D is this CIA front group the New York Times report of the CIA gets a copy of every grant that they make Um, they they you know they they their own founders say that they were created that the CIA got in trouble for sponsoring uh Pro -democracy groups around the world in the 1960s and that's why we don't do it anymore And that's why the national down was created uh basically to take the baton from the CIA during that transition between Carter anti -CIA and and Reagan pro CIA.
2:51:12This was the compromise between left and right in that That's why they have two political cores I or I and NDI, but can you pull that back up? Okay USA's partner in operations arm national down for democracy has been specifically demanding downtuss government in Poland Must find ways to arrest high -ranking members of the PIS party in order to quote stamp out populism They wrote this the for the first month in office So and again, you'll see this is responding to someone facing three years for flagmas. Now let's click on this again We pay as taxpayers for the production of national and now for democracies in house journal the journal democracy So what what what what what what what can you can you zoom out To zoom out a little bit when you see this yeah, yeah, perfect How to dismantle in a liberal democracy.
2:51:54So again, NATO was at war with the PIS party They wanted more cooperation on Security on economic issues. All other can of worms. They wanted Donald Tusk the pro EU pro super pro NATO candidate to win He wins The monthly takes office is the December 2023 national down from moxie the CIA publishes this let think piece how does mantle in a liberal democracy and again I think formally you know what's published here is supposed to you know not technically it's published in the net publication Doesn't mean it's net phone policy, but this is what they're publishing you're paying for How did so they're saying listen?
2:52:30It's not in autocracy in Poland unfortunately We can't call it a dictator like Putin or the CCP It's democracy because the people voted for it and they won fair and square But it's a liberal democracy because the democratic institutions don't you know are not are not having their way But here's what it says Poland may may be saying on its first steps in quote stamping out populism And holding those responsible for the worst violations of rule of law That means the criminal justice system now get to the next one Next slide Poland's new government must Therefore do more than just return to liberal democracy It must address trend address transitional justice the same thing which all over every USAID operation It has to arrest the people From the government we just transitioned from Prime Minister Tusk and his coalition must again not should not maybe should consider maybe if there's something there must Stabilize the political system mean ensure the the reign in that against losing in the next election To ensure that populism does not return in the next election Donald Trump is a populist president both scenarios a populist president marine lapen is populist in France Mateo Savini's populist in Italy the vox party spot This is state department in the USAID policy everywhere and this is part of the can of worms that's gonna have to be Unwoven here, but this is a direct order That in order to make sure you win the next election and we don't need to keep Funding you or or projecting our lending our soft power apparatus to prop you up Arrest these people so they can't run against you again.
2:54:04Go to the next one Can you zoom out It's not just telling them that you must do it if you want to get USAID support like the bere you know the Ukraine You know you crane barisma loan type thing, but here's what says the new government should therefore focus tension on weather and house Spectrums can be punished at present. There are a number of cases that should be tried immediately the Hutzpah the frigging Hutzpah This is a foreign cut for as far as the Polish people's people are concerned This is a foreign government It's foreign CIA front apparatus Employing their own elected government about which citizens there that they need to arrest those citizens and even giving them the list of targets Imagine if the Russian Ministry of Affairs sent Donald Trump said not only do you have to You know arrest The remnants of the of the Kamala Harris Joe Biden campaign But we're giving you the list of target names Here's who Pam Bondy the attorney general must file criminal indictments against this is an international incident again Technically, I believe what's published here is not they're not supposed to be you know does not represent It's like retweets are not endorsements, but you're paying for this organization You're paying for this journal and this is what they're publishing as a command to a foreign country This was a Trump allied by the way the the the PIS party which is another part of this net is doing a boomerang attack By preventing PIS's Popularity in Poland they do a boomerang attack against the foreign policy International coalition that Trump has So here the cases these include the 2015 appointment of judges to so going as a resting people for appointing judges Here's no one to arrange a supposed of the unconstitutional presidential election by mail -in voting during the pandemic W -2 -E -T -F We hate rail the it was practically a crime to not support mail -in voting Now with the with the national down for democracy here, but over there It's they're saying it's a crime to have done it And then you know arrange a supposedly unconstitutional presidential election by mail -in voting during the pandemic wow Yes, and again We can get all into this USAID NED rabbit's nest and all the domestic and tango and so on and also the 2023 visa scandal Oh, yeah, yeah, like this is the same thing they do if you've you've ever seen Alejandro my orcuses visa scandal from when he was in the Obama DHS and he was the deputy there you can pull this up on Google I believe it's 2015 Or the guy who was our head of DHS, which is the domestic interplay with all these foreign blob organizations Was busted by his own inspector general in this in Doing fast -pass no -look expedited visa visas for for you know for Obama political donors And not have putting it through the process you know just to and the visa scandals are all over this You know, it was John Brennan as CI station chief by the way in in in Saudi Arabia uh In in the romp to 9 -11 Who issue who Together with the US consulate issued the visas to 15 of the 19 9 -11 hijackers that was our visas now look there were only 11 of the 19 were Saudis They were actually giving Saudi visas to non -Saudis and 9 -15 of the 19 you can read all about this in the in the guy who ran the visa desk For that US consulate is jay michael springman.
2:57:35He wrote a book called visas for terrorists You know where he goes over how the whole the whole thing was done But wait wait, I'm not done. There's there's one more. There's can you on on that can you Pull up the fourth the fourth of the fourth thing because it's a doozy. So go to the go to the next one These are just illustrative tips. It cases and maybe just the tip of the iceberg Of who our CIA front group our us aid operations arm is saying must be done Naturally the leader of the law and justice party himself the democrat elected president Hey, does what happened to Donald Trump now after the transitional justice that happened when Biden justice department took power Starting to make a little bit more sense now Should be held responsible, but legally proving allegations against him will likely be difficult Damn, the problem is we don't have a case.
2:58:29We want to arrest him, but we actually don't really have anything good to get him on So let's get all his lieutenants Uh, and again the objective Passification stability you don't need to worry about them winning the next election populism as a Political possibility in Poland will be stamped out Because the intelligence networks and the money arm of us aid and the corrupted and worked prosecutors are all on the take Jesus By the way, multiply this problem basically in every country on earth because you know we can get to to a dozen these Here's a fun kind of fun exercise. I'm sure great Go to google .com And just you know that I mentioned this exercise before and just literally We're just gonna go maybe five six pages and just read what what pops up and I haven't even fully done this exercise.
2:59:17I'm just I'm so confident in what I'm about to say that we that I that we can do it live Go to google and type in us aid and then again Boolean quotes the phrase quote judicial reform And I can also show you I've you showed something. Okay. All right. So here you go Let's just go through a list of countries that we are whether we are seizing the judiciary We are influencing the judges the courts the legal system the criminal justice system the prosecutors Okay, let's just start at the top Okay, so what is that country you click on that link for a second then go back in the project in the republic what republic is that Okay, Serbia.
2:59:56Oh, what do you know? We're back to do a leap up Can't stop now. All right, so so we are we are so That U .S. that Atlanta council distinguished leadership award is starting to make a little bit more sense now There's an in process attempt to Basically bribe and co -opt the very same criminal justice system that Our state -sponsored musical performers. I shouldn't say sponsor our state awarded ones are are calling to take action against Okay, let's look at what's the next one? This one didn't come up That gave me a blank page. I mean the website's down. Okay, for advancing you you integration We just see the country name in number two Okay, okay, EU integration.
3:00:35That's like for example. They want to you know fold these you know The Ukraine into the EU right. There's been a big you know big thing about this join the market You know Dawson join NATO. That's that's what this is. How do we get the criminal justice system on board? You know with basically criminalizing opposition to it. Okay, uh, and we can keep wait just keep keep scrolling down We're just gonna do this for like four or five pages. I just want to you know Like literally every single one of these is a government program. Okay, so here there that that one above was DRC with democrat republic of Congo Okay, we're how we are taking over the court systems in in Congo All right, go on go on to the next page you're here.
3:01:08Okay here. Yeah, next page Okay, so let's see here. Okay, more on more on Congo. Okay, uh, Uzbekistan. We're doing this news backistan albania. We're doing it in albania Yeah, keeps going down here. Let's see al Salvador. We were doing it now Salvador This is one of the reasons you can imagine bukele was the first one on x to say Oh my god There's no more rental rights in al Salvador anymore. And why was USA? So opposed to what we were we're doing get rid of the drug networks Okay, here's here's for Ukraine. Here's for uh Central America. Here's more for Serbia. Here's for Georgia Every this is stock standard doctrine.
3:01:50It's the same USA Truman show every where we go This thing has been dialed in for 60 years and that's why I say it's gonna take 50 years to untangle this because you're gonna run to political head when it's the whole time You you don't think you're gonna have money flowing back It's like by the way they're gonna go straight to the partners in Europe and you know around the world to do top up funding for what they lose from from From USA. For example, they might go to the European You know endowment for democracy. They might go the EU may have to start making funds to you know to these US anti -Trump networks They may have to tap into their allies in China or they're you know Their allies and other central American or or South American governments but Mark my words that That USA Truman show that joint you know These sensors in exile these you know regime changers in exile right now are going to glob on To every international ally the human can humanly can they will be they will be Pressurizing the United Nations.
3:02:55They'll be pressurizing multilateral organizations like NATO the EU And and you know even some of these economic development packs To use the critical components they have there and sometimes dominant spot they have there to weaponize those assets And that gets back to this sort of EU fight, but I can pause and move to Brazil for pause fp Okay, when I come back rap music Brazil. Yeah, all right. We're back. Yeah, so first hip hop. Yeah Okay, the thing that you think you're gonna get in trouble for oh, you know make me do this Well, you're already teased it
3:03:36I think it was the 2009 national a national now for democracy um Cuba rap Journal of democracy article that I believe was co -authored by Ned's founder Carl Gershman You know who openly Said that Ned does what the CIA used to do that they effectively took the baton from it and again the CIS CIS copies CIA has copies according to the Washington Post and New York Times of every grant Ned makes um When when you look at the analysis the in -house analysis done by Ned there that there was this dense interplay between the Afro Cuban population and The drug networks in in Cuba And then you look at the role of hip hop and drug culture in Retailing What is wholesale In obviously USAID CIA Pentagon Narco networks like for example, we talked about in the Mujahideen Narco network They even they even set up a CIA bank right there to to back it We did the same thing in USAID set up in 1961 at the very moment two weeks before USAID was created JFK awarded the green parade to the special forces Just two weeks before that Then he creates US that was October 1961 November 1961 he creates USAID December 1961 one month after he launches operation pincush push pincushion in Laos for the US special forces To train and recruit hillside gorillas in Laos Who are primarily funded by the drug networks that they sit on in the golden triangle They sat on the opium Of the of the golden triangle and the way they financed the their own gorilla war CIA backed war and this is all well -known vingpow was the CIA it was the commander there of the CIA mercenary rebel forces there In you know, this is 1961 to 1967 in the spirit that I'm talking about special forces go over there To recruit these hillside gorillas they form an army vingpow is is made the head of it.
3:05:45This is going to connect to the rap thing in a sec vingpow was Was financing the the CIA's mercenary army by retailing the the opium from Laos into Into these networks in southeast Asia like the CIA proprietary banks like everyone can look up newgan hand bank or castle bank and trust These CIA banks that were set up to Wander basically drug proceeds and they all got a lot of trouble for this in a few decades ago Now the problem was is they couldn't sell enough because they were a scrappy little upstart, you know, group of hillside gorillas So what did USA do in Nineteen you in 1967? This is the 1960s how long this is beginning on So it was they were recruited by the special forces.
3:06:33They were managed by the central intelligence agency USAID provided the financing and this is all in according to and and in the senate testimony of Alpha professor Alfred McCoy This is book called the politics of of heroin in southeast Asia. He's testified from the senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1972. He detailed all this in his book, but USAID Financially provided the financial assistance for vingpow and his narco Terrorist network to purchase two airplanes from two CIA proprietary Companies one of them was air america the other one was continental air services both of these have been revealed in subsequent years to be CIA proprietary airlines so The CIA commander the commander of the CIA rebel army buys two planes from two CIA airlines and then uses them to traffic and retail The drugs by selling them to the market in Vietnam where where we had special forces boots on the ground So basically it was wholesaleed by the CIA in that case and then it was The logistics for that network were provided by USAID and then it was retailed to poor unsuspecting souls All over southeast Asia Play the same game in the golden crescent with Afghanistan Play the same game with the with the cocaine trade in in its route from Peru and Bolivia Up into Columbia and then up into the distribution networks in Miami, Los Angeles, Chicago.
3:08:05You name it the When you start having organized crime and drug and drugs as as the As the front end That that retails the products and services that that are wholesale than part of a intelligence or military operation You know, you can't sell those drugs by having someone with a Department of defense ID badge on the street corner you know on 187th and Broadway Those there are retail networks for that and that is the role of many of these drug mule and organized crime networks all over the world and I have serious concerns about Networks in Chicago. I mean, you know, Gary Webb obviously wrote all about this in dark alliance and You know, there's all sorts of fantastic books on all this if you want to read more like operation gladio by Paul Williams And I mean, there's there's there's so much in this field, but the role of of narcotics is in in financing black budget military covert operations in every major place they spring Is is is a black box that is not my crusade.
3:09:31I frankly again, I wish we didn't we didn't go here because but I do feel like you do need to have a Aside eye glimpse into some of these worlds to understand internet censorship Because you are going to find us aid NGOs If you Kayleigh had not done the the radical reforms that he had The internet would have been completely censored by us aid and the state department in order to rig hearts and minds against Against him because they would they would want to stop him from cleaning out the these drug gangs He would stop him from cleaning up the crime You're going to see the same thing about Fact checkers in Pakistan and you know, for example According to the gray zone report on on on baton USAid and any dean in Bangladesh And in fact, this is actually I believe on the US Embassy in in Pakistan's US Embassy in Pakistan's website the countering misinformation training seminar They had with the guy who's now the top farm advisor in Pakistan and they brought in the executive director of politif Uh, flew them all the way out to The US Embassy in Pakistan to train journalists about About how to counter misinformation the same journalist training seminars.
3:10:45We're seeing you in the news Do we see seps do you know, we see the Atlanta council do um But I come back to um The US Institute for Peace on a live URL as we speak not even two years ago Made an impassioned plead the Taliban to keep 95 % of the world's heroin flowing You have to explain that to the American people that is the state department's policy If US US Institute for a piece is not going to go rogue against the state department foreign policy there Because they're funded by the state department Um, you see the same thing with these ISIS terrorist drug narco networks Anyone remember the WikiLeaks email Jake Sullivan to Hillary Clinton while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state ISIS is on our side in Syria Well, that means the more of those poppy crops that get uh retailed off to uh ISIS networks the more powerful and well financed They are the more they can pay their soldiers or stop their soldiers from defecting is for being mercenaries and load behold That same network just toppled the Syrian government And I should note structuring through us aid is is the is the sauce to this because The There is a sitting tweet from the US embassy in Syria from 2017 when Trump was wiping out ISIS That put a 10 million dollar bounty on the head of Muhammad al -Jalani the current the the commander of those Forces uh the current basically head of state in the interim government in Syria There was a 10 million dollar bounty on his head under Trump Uh, they made the argument that his HTS group group was an al -Qaeda spinoff and no al -Qaeda allowed well According to his own military generals who said this openly in mainstream neat media after after the fact We were constantly playing shell games with the numbers to hide the troop activity and uh, you know And what we were doing on the ground in Syria and and in the broader region If you don't need a presidential finding to to finance a terrorist group or a paramilitary group It's too dirty for sea.
3:13:00I present want to prove run through us aid and was this have to do the hip -hop well You have these these narco networks like for example like what I was saying about um the USAID for bought the airplanes for the sea I for the front for the the wholesalers to move it to the retailers And when when you have these this intersection between hip -hop and the drug economy hip -hop popularizing it You know you have a lot of these rappers who said you know we were told by our promoters or our managers to you know You lean into that stuff you have the whole uh organized crime gang. I'll give you an example This is in Gary Webstarco Alliance where he goes through this network from you know, basically the CIA uh Playing us and the war and the defense department playing a leading role in propping up these narcotics trades In South America because they were pumping up right wing death squads and in and uh and right wing paramilitary Narco gang networks that were violent and and effectively shut down left wing marxist theology movements who were considered a prosovia This I have a lot of this for example with Iran Contra and the and the Reagan Reagan years So, you know, he makes a very compelling case about the role of of the US intelligence community And at the wholesale level in Peru and Bolivia and at the you know and at the actual processing Uh in in Colombia and then the movement uh in transport to the uh to the gangs in Los Angeles and Miami and Chicago and the like And that wholesale movement effectively goes from you know, Langley slash crystal city uh in in DC DC Virginia um To a sort of you know, Hispanic population uh in in South America Into you know into a you know other you know into into gangs that are retailing it uh, you know in uh Into these Compton gangs into these you know um You know these these Chicago and and Miami and New York ones you have a culture of drug use that creates a market for Uh for selling the proceeds so that drugs can be turned into cash Which can then be used to purchase guns and when you see this Lick this just liquid seamlessness there and then you know, I You know, uh, I don't I don't want tax jamey too much, but you know, there's this this gray zone important bangladesh has specific language uh with with uh The National Diamond for democracy and one of its subarms making explicit grants to bangladesh e rap groups Um for the explicit purpose of getting people to take to the streets in uh in street riots and protest movements and to undermine public faith and and public Confidence and and favourable sentiment for the then and power bangladesh government in the art and you know They were they were targeting the youth movements remember when we pulled up the 22 hip -hop artists on screen and the whole thing was about Youth mobilization these people formed the front end of the You know of of the of the de -stabilization so your argument is essentially that this game plan is ubiquitous And that this game plan is done the United States too to promote drug use and drug selling Which they profit off of I'm not even going that far what I'm saying is there's there's a useful role Um around you know of of music and other artistic and cultural ventures for um For creating a market for something that helps U .S.
3:16:44State craft For example, this is the major major scandal The head of the central intelligence agency John d 'Oish had to had to travel to Compton in 1997 I believe that was the year in order to plead with the the black population there That what had happened with the sea ice you know roll in in the drug trade was a sort of you know Occasional one -off accident wasn't authorized wasn't supposed to happen Um, but the fact is is the you know those narco network supported the Nicaraguan contra movement You needed a market to sell it Uh, you know and and those were Those were inner city Urban populations in in Los Angeles that were you know they weren't the ones growing the cocaine That was grown in in Peru and Bolivia and then it was processed in Columbia and then it was you know That's all that stuff that Michael Rupert exposed Yeah, there's there's been a there's been a million and it's everywhere you look and it's not just south and and again I don't want to you know This stuff is all To me just interesting.
3:17:44I don't have a hard opinion on it I uh, I almost don't want to Take away from you know, so much of the important factual stuff where I have the receipts on screen But what I'm saying is you are going to see resistance from very strange pockets as you do this distinct Intangling process how many people knew that you know an arm of the state department right next door to it that gets all of its money from the state department who sets the foreign policy It's telling the Taliban to keep the drug networks open or that same arm is going after Bukali when he tries when he tries to arrest the drug criminals in um In in in El Salvador, which by the way was the you know the most Intense of these narco right wing, you know death squads you know during the um During the the cold war um And we pop up every culture vector we can again, you know watch taking down a dictator that documentary and look at the role of music in the state Departments eyes and being able to galvanize street protest movements gets everyone on the street united Gets everyone listening to the same thing.
3:18:49They're all sort of uh, you know aligned like a magnet I mean, there's there's I mean even look at places like the az -off battalion and how they sort of grew out of this black metal wrap Or you know black metal music, uh, you know coalition, you know in uh with with you know highly extremist lyrics and whatnot in Ukraine The same sort of extremist lyrics you saw in the Bangladeshi rap songs or the call to take to the streets and the Cuban ones And again, this has been going on a long time Look at the look at the lyrics of a of a pussy riot song and remember this the they literally are standing at the Secretary of state's podium You know with arm and arm with the U .S.
3:19:29State Department well you know our so And in everyone can look up, you know You know see eyes rolling rock and whatnot. That's great guardian articles about all this as well, but um It's it's more to say coming back to the USA Truman Show that everything and anything can be an instrument of state craft Whether that's the prosecutors the universities the unions the media the social media Arts dance. This is where you get these transgester transgender dance festivals and this demographic segmentation You know to see who hates the government well if the if the government is cracking down on transgenderism or is not Kind to it or they feel like uh, you know They want more rights.
3:20:10That's a useful demographic as a cleavage point for the U .S. State Department to capacity build Fun flow money to so that they can be used as a battering ram and I'm not endorsing that But that is just why we were okay. We're running out of time. So Let's get to Brazil. Yeah, okay So Jamie I sent you a bunch of these um, you know screenshots that uh That you know my my foundation is gonna be publishing in our final report But I wanted to just go through these here because we've been talking about the the role of of The criminal justice system more than anything. You know media is rigged Okay, it's a headline.
3:20:47It's a reputational smudge. It can cost you your job When the criminal justice system and the judges are rigged and the prosecutors are rigged You don't even have a country anymore because they can arrest the president. They can arrest the they can arrest the the politicians um, and Uh, it's it's a shortcut to control over the over the whole side and we went through examples with for you know Ukraine, Burisma, Serbia, we went through that whole exercise, but um Jamie if you can pull on screen, you know, just uh We can just go through the the the text messages. This has been the last thing of USAID's role with the judiciary in Brazil And again specifically against Bolsonaro who is targeted by these anti misinformation Populous president populous right wing pot.
3:21:33They called them the Trump of the tropics Um Same thing part of that same international coalition Let me know if you have any trouble Okay, yeah, well, maybe if you start with the first one actually I think this is it unless I'm the wrong way Well, if you yeah, if you know, okay, maybe scroll down Do you see the ones where you where you have we have um, yeah, I'm just gonna do the lead judge Shaking your phone number two Because if I put the wrong thing on the screen. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, sure Okay, so how about just the pictures with the the pant. Okay, here you go So yeah, we can start we start with that one uh right there that that image right there Does that um Is that guy look familiar?
3:22:14This is the lord the lord actually he actually looks kind of like a mixture of both of us. Joe and so Can't funny But this is the man that they call the lord Voldemort judge of Brazil This is the head of the TSC the censorship court, which is the subgroup of their supreme court And here you see a seminar Uh, that that he is being trained in Where is that name ring about steps? Uh, how many hours of you and I now spend talking about the steps program the USAID program that that explicitly set It's it's job to get foreign countries and foreign courts to pass censorship laws This is USAID funded and implemented by the national now for democracy um This is steps .org the recruit but this gets much if you if you go back to the panel.
3:23:00I'll I'll show you more on this All right, you know, okay. Yeah, okay. Here's another one Sepp's core partner uh ifez is this is basically the uh election strengthening teaming up directly with brazil's TSE Court that is the censorship court that seized x's that that shut down x and that seized starlings assets And that effectively criminalize the speech of virtually any significant probals on our voice in brazil This is our USAID network doing the training doing the networking and wait if you if you go back go back I'm just gonna show a couple more of these Okay, this is internews internews who we covered 500 million dollars from uh from USAID every single year In brazil doing training seminars for how to flag pro bolsonaro dis disinformation I can go on and on I got layers of all these different judges and and the the the pitches to the prosecutors to arrest it The whole thing was a USA Truman show taking over the judiciary or at least substantially Influencing and tilted to take out their political enemy bolsonaro the whole way down and x is still banned in brazil No, I believe x you know Entered into compliance by by taking certain actions so they have to censor Yeah, so I believe they yes, there's there's still subject to the to the edicts of the court I should note oh say lift ban October 8th yeah after pays a five million dollar fine right right But and by the way, but the ban the ban is in place essentially to keep bolsonaro for a gaming power Well, right.
3:24:35Well, they wanted to they wanted to make sure that you know again It's the same thing with Poland. They want to achieve stability Democrats stability so that he can rise hugely popular right now It was a razor -close election And remember, you know We pull a lot of tricks in order, you know around that and we're gonna find a lot more of that when you look into the the role of unions like the national for democracy solidarity center um, and and and the whole the whole suite there uh, remember we literally pulled favors with tywan This is reported in the in the financial times in order to get them the the semiconductor chips to build the voting machines against against bolsonaro's wishes the sea ahead of the sea I went down and threatened him bill burns did the head of the pentagon went down and you met with the army to tell them You know, you have to trust the result of the election is that it Lloyd Austin the head of the pentagon um You know, we're saying the head of the CIA the head of the military.
3:25:29We're running semiconductor chips just so that they can make Voting machines that the elected head of state doesn't want uh, uh, and then you know We're we're we're funding their you know workers movements through we have a very specific outcome that we want And then we also make sure that they use voting machines that we provide I'm not even weighing into the voting machine issue Except to say that it's it's very strange that that we would divert semi -conductor supplies bound for the US during a critical shortage And give them to a foreign government to put in voting machines that the that the elected head of state doesn't want That's a very curious thing you can read about all the you know inside details of that published in the financial times and in other places Jesus It's also daunting And I was just it's overwhelming How do you sleep the mosa don't um But uh We we have an opportunity We've already done more than anyone has ever done No Foreign facing government agent no Apple no cog in the wheel of this dirty tricks apparatus has ever uh had 14 ,000 99 .8 % of the you know the workforce laid off the You know the the name taken off the building with from a month in terms of the the lightning speed of it um, but i'm I feel a sense of hope and optimism and A kind of spiritual fulfillment if that's too big a phrase to say, but I don't you don't see me Happy or doing cartwheels or it doesn't really show on my face because I know the The side the the the the scale and the duration of this fight is going to continue for the the rest of my lifetime And so I don't this is not sprint period we're run afast but it's a marathon the whole way What's unbelievably baffling to me is the complete absence of the coverage of all these things it should be very concerning in mainstream media Complete absence the the all the dis all the discussion the negative Anti -Trump discussion about us age shutting down is all the good that it does And then also you're going to get access to people's private data.
3:27:56That's all you're hearing You're hearing the gaslighting spin is those two things Right, but every single one of those people need to understand the category They talk about public health and all the lives and how many more people they're going to have You know aids and HIV in 2014 USAID was busted running a covert operation We're according to their own you know people who are involved in the operation. They set up an HIV Prevention program in foreign countries in or because it would be the perfect excuse because counterintelligence would never think That the HIV clinics were the place that they were using as you know as key nodes in the regime change network How many other facilities they were caught there?
3:28:36How many others? But in every single one of those it's dual purpose because the fundamental reason you do this out of USAID is to do people And this puts this puts our oversight bodies in a difficult spot Let's just say we're funding transgender dance festivals in in some country because Turns out they they really dislike a government that we consider authoritarian and so you could actually see a sort of I don't know the situation in Venezuela But let's just say that the Trump administration has been at war with Maduro and You know wants to you know pursue a policy of turning over that government and it just so happens that That government is persecuting the transgender population and the transgender population if they could just be built up more You know would be able to convert you know Convert more hearts and minds to vote against Maduro.
3:29:25Well, you could see a sort of If I may say Again, I'm not saying this should be done. I'm just saying you could see a sort of mega foreign policy Explanation for funding transgender dance festivals in Venezuela if that's what the baseline assessment reveals the problem is is American people are never going to be allowed to know about it because imagine the Senate oversight committee Why are we funding these transgender dance festivals in Venezuela? Oh actually because we're running a Lie there by the way everyone in Venezuela can watch this live hearing The whole thing is actually carefully constructed live because we're cynically exploiting the transgender people To serve as battering rams against the the head of state.
3:30:04We want to overthrow, but we've not declared that publicly. I mean You It we're back to plausible then ability. Jesus
3:30:15This is a lot. I think it's probably good to end right here. Okay, but uh, thank you, Mike Thank you for everything. Thanks for being you through like I don't think a lot of people would chase this down like this and I know this is a lot of weight It's a quite a burden that you're carrying But uh, I mean, I think you're being vindicated in like a scale that I've never seen before. It's pretty it's pretty impressive And all the stuff that you were talking about before all these documents were exposed before they doge went into USA You were dead right about all of it Thank you, and again, I don't want to get you in trouble with with this stuff You know some of the topics that we talked about like the the drug stuff and the rap stuff and the you know Some of the the terrorism stuff is is not my primary focus.
3:31:01I'm not making hard facial claims there I don't care about the Taylor Swift thing. It's frankly it's it's just Fascinating that you would see that on a native like this is What I care about is you know what we talked about with the it's control over media. It's control over prosecutors It's control over social media and pushing you know social media censorship and these sorts of things that You know that we have a once -in -a -lifetime chance to reform and I want to thank you and express my personal gratitude for having these Difficult and I'm sure taxing conversations to crack it all open
From the publisher
Mike Benz is a former official with the U.S. Department of State and current Executive Director of the Foundation For Freedom Online, is a free speech watchdog organization dedicated to restoring the promise of a free and open Internet.
www.foundationforfreedomonline.com
For a FREE trial and 10% off your first Squarespace website or domain, visit www.squarespace.com/ROGAN
This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp.
Get working on a better you with therapy.
Visit BetterHelp.com/JRE today to get 10% off your first month.
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices




