#2273 - Adam Curry

49:44That's Ask Hat BMI. Then you have the publishing right. Now, because you download a podcast, well, all of a sudden, now you've made a copy of it. So that's another group over here. So you have the publishers, then the record companies. You have all the, and they just could never agree and they've locked themselves in so tight that the biggest opportunity for music would be to play it on podcasts. They've just, they've painted themselves into a corner. And it's so, and we know now that most artists, you know, you get 10 ,000 streams on Spotify and you get a, you know, a penny after, after a couple of years.

50:20You see with Snoop Dogg when he was going over this? Oh, I've seen that. No, I'm sure it's horrendous. He got a thousand bucks. Billions of streams. And you got to check for 45 grand. And Taylor Swift gets all the rest of the money. I mean, it's very odd. It's not because Taylor Swift owns her music. Isn't that the whole deal? Like if you own your music. If you're the publisher, right? And any of, you know, this, I don't want to get too deep into to Spotify and all that. But people are starting to move away from that. And what I call the value for value model, where, we actually built this with podcasting 2 .0, where you can send a boost like, I want to send some money to this person straight from the app.

50:57So you can play it. You can play a song in the podcast, as long as they've agreed to the, to the license they own all their stuff. You can send the money. We just did Suzanne Santa. We had a, I invited you to that. Yeah, I couldn't make it up. All I had to say is I invited Joe. That was all I needed to say. And, you know, we had six people on stage, six different bands. And they all made between six and $800, coming just from, from out there. There was maybe 50, at the end of the night, maybe 50 people left. It's a Monday night. But they were all making more money than they had ever made on any other platform in their life.

51:36Just because people can send it through the internet, through, we actually use it. Isn't that crazy? That $600 for a performance that goes in the internet is the most they've ever made from the internet. Absolutely. Isn't that crazy? Like you think about it? It is crazy. It's extremely like I found out about Suzanne from online. Some dude named Balls of Steel sent me a message. And they said, this is your new favorite song. And I was like, what? And it was Honey Honey, Angel of Death. They did an acoustic version on the top of a roof in downtown LA. And it was incredible. And I was like, oh my God.

52:08And then I became friends with them. And she and Nick are great. And their baby is super cute. I guess she looks like a daughter. Yeah, so crazy. Her mom, I love it. But it's like that. There's been so many streams on the radio. And the fact that you never made more than $600 is crazy. Like something's broken. Well, that's because the publishers are getting all of that. Exactly. Because you know, it's, and then on the other hand, you get, you know, you can get really famous. Like people like Tyler, the creator, and all these different people that have blown up, just from being on the internet.

52:43And then they do live performances. Yeah, but I still feel that the... Some of them make it money. Well, we know the publishers are making money. People say the record companies, but it's the publishers. Yeah, they can't call them record companies anymore. If they don't make records. Thank you. For records. I was in my garage the other day. And I put my wall of fame in the garage. And like, time moved this out of the house. Like, I'm old enough now. And I'm looking at like, there's a platinum record with a cassette, with a platinum cassette. Like, people even remember these days when you got a platinum record with a cassette on it.

53:17That's crazy. Five million copies sold of a cassette tape. Jelly Roll gave us one of his platinum records. We got it out there in the hall. That guy is awesome. He's the jelly roll is what a story is. He's such a sweetheart. He's such a nice guy. And he's a big crossover artist. You know, the Christians love him. Country guy is love him. The rock and rollers love him. It's like, he's the perfect, perfect crossover. I was an evil record executive. He's the perfect, he's the perfect crossover artist. Joe, we need to sign him. That's what I need to do. Also, like, most unlikely looking to be the sweetest guy ever.

53:50With the fucking, all the face tattoos and everything. Just goes to show. Yeah. Can't tell the book bites cover. No, you cannot ever, ever, ever. So anyway, back to that is just a shame that we've, you know, the right, the music industry has moved it into this protectionist place. Mm -hmm. And it's, I mean, even if you have a spin studio, you know, the Gestapo comes around like, you know, you've got more and 75 people a day here. You need to pay us more. And you know, they're very litigious. The whole thing is just a mess, you know, some mess. Yeah, I mean, law's great because it protects you from scumbags, but laws are great.

54:32Who's it protecting now? Yeah. Because the artists are making no money. Exactly. Yeah. Although it's become easier to, you know, to do your music at home, that's, I mean, I remember going to the HATE factory in New York and hanging out, you know, watching people record records. That was amazing with, you know, the big machines and lots of people running around. Well, it was cool. I think YouTube and social media presents very unique opportunities where a guy like Oliver Anthony can all of a sudden explode and know where with one song. Yeah. He's another sweetheart. Yeah, you had him on. Yeah, he was at the club the other day.

55:05I'm rolling out. What does he live? I think he still... He's down side. Maybe he doesn't want people knowing. Okay. Well, he lives in... I don't want to say around, but he was, I mean, back, was he was, he was, it was in Virginia? Yeah. Okay, yeah, West Virginia, that makes sense. Because the Richmond North of Richmond was a song. Right, right, right. Yeah, that's where he was. I don't know if he's in. And God bless him because he stayed away from the system. Yeah, we had a phone call. Yeah, I called him up when it would all start popping off form. I'm gonna sign you boy. I'm gonna sign it in my broken records.

55:43You're gonna make millions here. Take this Cadillac. It'll be great. Yeah, I sent the Cadillac right to his house. That's the last thing you want to give that guy. You want to give him like a 1983, that's a Chevy. That's redone, you know, a pickup truck. Like an F -150 from the A -Niche. It's like redone. It's the boxy ones. That's you want to get back on the dash. Yeah, yeah. Now he's a genuine guy. He's a really nice guy. And we had this conversation over the phone. He said people are offering me millions of dollars to do this and that and this. I go stay independent. And he goes, they keep saying I got a strike where the iron sawd I go, no, no, no, no, no, no.

56:18Listen to me. You've already made it. All you have to do now is just keep doing what you just did and you can do that, right? I'm sure you have others like, oh, I got a bunch of other songs. And he sent me some of his other songs, which are just as good if not better. And I was like, dude, you have talent. Talent is what you, that's what everybody needs. All this other stuff is people just trying to take advantage of your talent. Stay independent. That's what I mean about you, Joe. You're a good guy. But I was already, I was already passed that spot where he's at. Like I'd been in that spot before where people are offering you deals and stuff like that.

56:50I know what the trappings of that is. You're broke. And then all of a sudden you have money. And like for me, it worked out great. That happened to me in 1993. I got this big development deal with Disney. And I moved out to California to do a sitcom. But it was like, but it was, I wanted to be a comic. And then all of a sudden I've got all this money that's coming from TV. And it was just so weird. Was that news radio? No, that was hard ball. It was a baseball show that was on Fox that never made it. I was an MTV man. I wasn't paying attention. And you were that's the one actually. It actually started at MTV because I got a development deal with MTV first.

57:24Really? Yeah, but the development deal at MTV was like 500 bucks to do a pilot. I'm not kidding. And then it sounds like MTV. It was like 500 bucks. It made me 5 ,000. I don't think it was though. I think it was $500. And if I did the pilot and the pilot was successful, they would have me locked in for some exorbitant amount of time. I think it was like five years where I couldn't do anything other than MTV. And it was because they had a few people that became really famous off MTV and then left. And so they had decided that MTV is going to keep all of their talent, you know, like, this is the funniest thing because when I got there in 87, VJs were expendable.

58:06They're like, you're expendable, shut up. You know, we can, we can, you know, they couldn't because they brought me over from Europe and had a two year contract. I think the first year was 150 grand. The second year was 175 grand. And I got a car service. And I could do radio, any radio I wanted to do. And so, and they just, they, a lot of the, not they, but a lot of the people at the office really disliked me because they'd be like, cut your hair. I'm like, no, I'm not going to cut my hair. Why are they wearing a cut your hair? New creative direction for the channel. I'm like, no. And you know, I had different lengths of hair throughout the years.

58:43I have a E .D .s man. That hair was cool. Have you seen the artist were playing? I have no photo of Adam Curry in 88. Is glorious. Is glorious. I have the hair of Generation X. Don't call me a boomer. Look at that. Come on. Who the fuck would tell you to cut that fair faucet? That's a beautiful head of hair. That's an amazing. Good times, brother. Good time. Imagine someone telling you that that, probably that was like a huge hook too. I probably was. A lot of the ladies. Well, you know what, Merv Griffin always said. Merv Griffin always said, people with big heads are successful on television.

59:18That's why he had Pat Say Jack. And of course, Jay Leno. Jay Leno. Big heads, right? I don't have a big head. Yeah. I had big hair, so I had a big head. Exactly. The formula works. Right, there's no like little tiny head of dudes that are like, wow. No, no. No, that works on YouTube now, but on television, it doesn't work on YouTube. You go to a tiny head of the channel. I think anybody can be successful on YouTube. Right. It's all kinds of things. Wasn't that show you that the formula's bullshit then? You know, like you got a guy like Mr. Beast who is not like classically good looking guy who's got the biggest show in the world.

59:52That guy has, I mean, so I don't, people say he's a creator. I think he's a creation. He is a creation of YouTube and how it works. You don't have this because you're, you know, you're so established, but they, his team, and he's talked about this, micro manage every second of each video, every cut, every, the poster images, all these things, and it's all about time spent viewing. If one video does a minute 38, and the other one does 140, that other video is more successful. I mean, it's really in order to, to like hook the elbows, get everything rolling. You have to bring that down to a science.

1:00:32And of course, and this is not for you and I, I don't think, because you have to always keep feeding the machine. You gotta keep feeding it, feeding it, feeding it. You have to make your life a part of your YouTube channel. Otherwise, you know, you drop off very quickly. Yeah. Well, I just think he has a different approach. I mean, his approach is very like scientific. He's very intelligent about it. And I'm a field person, which is why I, when I get people as guests, I never think like, sometimes people think, oh, you try to get like the biggest name guests, because that'll be the most popular videos.

1:01:08I don't, I don't do that at all. I only, who do I want to talk to? That's exactly how I've always done it. So that's how I'm gonna always do it. Do I want, and if it happens to be Mel Gibson, you know, great interview. He was great. I mean, I'm like, that's, for me, he's always Mad Max. When I was a kid, you know, we'd play hooky from school, we'd go back and somewhat have a VHS. No, I'd beta max, you had a beta max. And like, we're watching Mad Max and then Diana Ross in the round. I mean, Diana Ross in the round. We love Diana Ross. She's like, oh, she's so awesome. But the Mad Max man, that original, and he stayed in there with his boots in the desert and at the beginning, it was just a movie.

1:01:47He had a bunch of bangers. But he's just, he's an interesting guy, you know, and that blower on top of the engine. I mean, the whole thing was just, we just love that. That was a fun movie. And then later, lethal weapon. And then, and I didn't realize, because I'd seen the passion, which is, you know, as a Jesus freak myself, it was like, that was like, whoa, that was a heavy movie to watch. And when he said, I didn't realize that, I said, oh, the whole thing was an air -a -mayek. And it was the subtitles that you were basically reading the subtitles. And his theory that it, you know, it penetrates you differently.

1:02:22The story, I think, is so spot on. I think so too. I mean, really, really interesting. Well, he's a very underrated filmmaker and I always point to Apocalypse, another example of that. There's no English in that movie. And it's a masterful movie. It's a great movie. That guy has a calling, man. He's doing a, and talent. He's got just any fought the system. He really, really fought the system so far. Well, that was what was fascinating about talking to him about what happened when he made the Passion of the Christ, because it was really, it wasn't that it was an anti -Jesus reaction to that film.

1:02:56It was an anti -Jesus reaction to that film that was really made by the motion picture industry because he had gone outside the normal distribution system. So in creating that movie, he financed it himself. He went outside that he got a smaller distributor and it did really well. And they were like $800 million. Exactly, crazy. We got to make sure this doesn't fucking happen again. And that's where the attacks came. And that's also where Jim Kovizel, his career completely stalled out. You would think the guys in a gigantic blockbuster movie like that, like he's going to be in blockbuster movie after blockbuster movie after this.

1:03:30No, they kind of blackballed him. Yes. Well, and so you have a smaller studios now, like Angel Studios and they're in Utah. And they did, they crowdfunded the chosen, which is the story of Jesus. And it's, I mean, unbelievable. They're in the fifth season now, completely outside the studio system, completely away from it. And it's all crowdfunding. At the end of the season, the credits are like 15 minutes. Oh wow. Everybody who donated, and everybody who donated, X amount, they get to be extras on the set. I mean, it's a whole new way of looking at producing stuff. Interesting. Yeah. Then of course they went on to do an apocalyptic movie called Homestead, which is a dog.

1:04:16It's so horrible. It's like, what is this? I mean, it's a bad movie. Oh, bad acting. Is it bad enough to watch it? No, no, T and I were watching. We're like, do we bail? No, 10 more minutes. Do we bail? No, no, it's going to happen. It's like, no, no, it's too bad. I mean, just like what? It's hard to make a good movie. Of course it is. Well, imagine the amount of people that you have. If you have a bunch of idiots telling you to cut your hair, imagine how many dumbasses you have in the background of the movie that are telling you what to do, all the money people, all the executives. It must be so hard.

1:04:49You have to be like Quentin Tarantino, who's like, they just leave him alone. Leave him alone, then I'm doing his magic. He's an interesting guy. Have you met him? Oh yeah, he's been on a couple of times. Interesting fellow. We hung out with him the other night. We had to dinner with him. Him and Roger Avery, who's also awesome. And then we went to the club. We hung out at the club. He's an interesting guy. And that's why he requested to come to the club. Was he wearing his tracksuit? No, he was dressed normal. I saw him in LA when I was there for about a year. I was like, you see him like, tracksuit tracksuit.

1:05:14Tracksuit tracksuit. Tracksuit tracksuit. I get it by the mob guys, where a tracksuit is on. Yeah, of course. When you wear a mob guys, they know this is the way to do it. Adidas, that's my uniform. I think the move is like stretchy jeans. Because stretchy jeans give you all the feel of a tracksuit, but you don't look like a weirdo. I become a hoodie guy, much to my wife, Shagrin. She's like, I got friends of mine saying, hey, Federman, I'm like, really, really? Federman, really? A hoodie to the fucking inauguration. That was a little wild. I mean, the hoodie was one thing, but the shorts are like, well, you know, that's Federman, I guess.

1:05:49That's really who he is. I mean, it's kind of weird in that, like, come on. Everybody else is wearing a suit. But it's also kind of like, well, that's how he dresses 24 hours a day. Like, yeah, but you wore a tuxie. Dude, you wore a button down for the president being your studio. I was impressed by that. Well, I felt like I had to. The vice president too. Yeah, I was like, God, I wear some nice. It's because, you know, it shows a little bit of respect. Yeah, I didn't even clean the table off though. Well, you know, my friend, Harlow Williams, was very happy that Demetri was on the table. Oh, Snake.

1:06:19Yeah, he gave me a giant hug. He was Demetri was on the table. He was the man he was the president. Yes. This is a gag that Harlan did. He said he had a tapeworm, and then three hours into the podcast, he pulls out this fucking snake out of his pants. You got to see Harlan. He's fucking, he's so funny and so unusual and so eccentric. That like for him, like that was, it was such a huge thing to see the snake on the table that he pulled out of his face. Yeah, of course. I get it. I mean, it was so interesting where, you know, you've talked about the Harris campaign and all the stuff that they were saying.

1:06:52And it was like, well, we talked to his people. I'm like, his people. I think it's Jamie. And then maybe one other guy. Why do you have managers? And they did talk to them. They did talk to them. But what they said just wasn't true. But I mean, it's not like you have a super big team here. No, it's very small. Even the team outside of here is not that big. But it's just normal political bullshit. They just lie. They cover the rest and they lie. I would have been very happy to have her on. And like I said, the goal was to release both of them the same day. I was trying to figure out how to do that.

1:07:25It would have been great. That would have been fantastic. Yeah, I was trying to figure out if that would be possible to do. And that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to put them out both at the same time. But that's it. That's where we broke the messaging system. We broke it because they could not put her into the new system. They couldn't because they knew that she would fall down. Well, they just got scared. They could have. They could have put her in. I would have held her hand. We would have had a conversation. Not that I need to hold. You probably would have forced her to stand. But what I meant was, no, I wouldn't have done that.

1:07:56I wasn't going to be. I don't know, Joe, she might have charmed you. But I was more than willing to strong man or steel man all of our positions to try to like, I wanted to know what would be the goodness and why, even if it doesn't make any sense, express it the best way possible that you can. I will help you do that. And then I'll ask you questions. But I'm not going to be antagonistic. I'm not going to be a shithead. I'm not going to be, I have no desire to turn this into a viral clip thing. I'm not trying to do that. I don't think you've ever done that with anybody. No, I never wanted that done to me.

1:08:32So why would I do that so much? That's why I wore this hoodie. Iron sharpens iron. That's what you are, brother. You get, bring people in. Iron sharpens iron. So a friend sharpens a friend. You're always, I come here, I come here because I want to learn from Joe. I want my iron to be sharpened by Joe. You do that with everybody who's there. Well, I just want whoever's in that seat to do the best they can. So like whatever it is, whether you're talking about quantum physics, whether you're talking about human psychology, or ancient history, I want the best version of you, and I want to kind of help you get the best version out.

1:09:06And if you're running for president, I'd like to get the best version of that for you. And I think that the whole system of debates and public speeches and interviews is so bad for getting to know a human being. And I guarantee you, like I've seen interviews where she's really funny. I've seen this one, I've talked about it before, but I'll say it again. This is one interview she's talking about meeting her mother -in -law for the first time. Yes. And her mother -in -law, great, great, great. Oh, yeah, so beautiful. And it's very funny. And she laughs and she laughs in a genuine way. It's not like that sort of defensive laughter that she does sometimes where it seems like it's orchestrated.

1:09:47It was a genuine laughter and it was fun. Well, she's a prosecutor. That's why she kept going into prosecutorial mode, the same with the so -called debate with Trump. She was prosecuting him. So she has a switch that she just slips. And she goes on a sword. And then she wears our president, you know, he's kind of him all the time. They're eating the dogs. I think that won him the election too. That was awesome. I mean, that's one of my favorite jingles of all time. They're eating the dogs. Are you kidding me? That just, like that is fantastic. Well, it is a very interesting to watch, it all take place.

1:10:25It's very interesting to watch this shifting of the consciousness of the country. The culture. Yeah, and but also to see the reaction on the left, like to see the really crazy people, like those people that Worcester Town Hall thing. Like that, it's interesting to see that too, because you're gonna see these like really exaggerated grasps at retaining relevancy. Like really exactly. Well, they're crying out for help. They're doing the crying out for help. They've been siapped. I mean, I, I'm only on X. I gave up Facebook and Instagram. I'm not interested. And X, I really only use this kind of an inbox.

1:11:05You know, people will, you know, send me stuff and things for the show. But early on when Blue Cry was still a secret project within Twitter, the Jack Dorsey was running. I knew some people who were in that secret project. And so I have an account. And I went on there the other day, I'm like, oh my Lord, this is horrible. These people are spinning up and spinning out and just going nuts with each other. It's, and I was like, I don't know how we, we have to figure out a way. And, you know, President Trump says successful bring us together. And I think that's probably true. But, you know, we can't just, I'm a little worried that we're all going to be stomping on them.

1:11:50You know, it's like, I look at these stupid lips, looking at their idiots, they're crazy. And I just feel that, you know, you gotta, you gotta love them and not hate them. You don't have to forget what they've done or what they've said, but they have been abused by multiple entities and systems within our own government and political organizations. Yeah, also during this feedback loop, the sector chamber, and they don't have outside people that are kind. And, you know, everybody outside is the enemy and they're trying to like, they're trying to make their way through life like all of us. But without forgiveness, you don't, you have nothing.

1:12:28Like you have to be able to forgive people. Yes, you have to. Without that, there's nothing. Like, well, you remain trapped in your own prison. Yeah, and you're also, you have enemies forever that could have been your friends. There's no reason for it. It's not good for you, it's not good for them. And it's just like this stubborn inclination that a lot of people have to stick with that and like, fuck those people forever for life. You really shouldn't do that. It's not good. Well, especially if those people feel bad, if they apologize and they realize they've made mistakes, yeah, like that's what life's about.

1:13:00You gotta be able to understand that in the past you've made mistakes and grow. And if we, the people that have made mistakes and grown do not accept the people that are currently making mistakes and growing, well, then we're hypocrites. Well, that's the same with COVID. I know many people who either lost their job or were forced to take something they didn't wanna take and they will never forgive them. Like, I won't forget, now, forgiving is not the same as forgetting, obviously. But they can't bring themselves to forgive those who were caught up in a massive psychological operation and they are in their held in their own prison of anger.

1:13:40And it's with their own family members. I mean, it's almost like, did that happen? That just went, we're now back. What are we doing? All these things have gone so fast. We had an attempt on a president's life and it's like, we don't know anything. And all the, what just, I mean, we're like, our heads are on a swivel spinning around. Like, what is going on? And I think, and the drones, you know, the drone. What about the drone? So the drone thing, for me, it was so, first of all, there's a base over there and they're testing some drone technology. But people in the United States, but really around the world, this is how we go through life.

1:14:18We go through life looking down. I'm a pilot, a fly helicopter's airplanes. I'm looking up at the sky all the time. There's a lot going on. There's a lot happening in the sky. And then the minute some, what have you seen? How kinds of things, Joe? What have you seen? I've seen the Starlink side lights go over my house. That's how trip people are. It's amazing. It's like, whoa, and you know, like eight or nine and a row, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. When they go fast. Very fast. And they seem pretty low actually, I don't like 60 miles up. Like, but, and of course, once it becomes a story, then every, I know all these people with drones are like, dude, I'm going to get in the news.

1:14:53I'm flying my drone. They got six foot diameter drones flying around. Of course, I mean, aliens and Chinese drones, they always want to have their red and green anti -collision lights on. It's important. It's like, I was like, no, no, no. And of course, there was some, you know, some actual legislation that they wanted to pass, which happened that same week, which was to get Chinese drones out of America, the DJI drones, they don't want them. They want to give them. They passed that the same week. That's the same. Dude, same week, same week. That's why they siopped all of these local people. And they're all like, yes, oh yeah.

1:15:32It was, it was the, it was the, these motherfuckers. Yeah, they wanted the DJI drones no longer to come in. And, you know, but really for, for law enforcement to also have local authority over drones, which they didn't have. And now they had, they're going to have that as well. So they can say, hey, you with the drone down, we're doing something important here. Right. So it's always to remove your freedom, trust me. Whatever they're saying. Yeah, that was the same time. And all I had to, I looked at this and like, okay, I'm trained myself like, let's go take a look. What's going on? Oh, that's interesting.

1:16:05Isn't it? Look at this legislation. This is an other argument for deregulation too. Because when it comes to innovation, the issue with drones is that if you want like a really high level sophisticated drone in America, you have to have a pilot's license. You do. This is, this is a, that's a big deal. And the FAA is very involved in the policing of, well, you need that. I mean, you need that for our skies. Oh, 100%. Yeah. China don't have that, bro. They got a social credit course. Of course they're all dumb. If you know freedom, I talk to a lot of guys who do, our audience who just got people in every, we've trained them, your producers, you know something about one particular topic.

1:16:44You have an obligation to let us know. So we have all these guys drone for hobbies, drones for law enforcement, drones for news. And they also had, you know, these DJI drones, they're so much better than the US drones. They're just better. They got better stuff, better technology, better cameras. So they, you know, they're like, I don't want to lose this. And, you know, I guess, they're... Without the free market, the innovation is going to be stifled. If the innovation is only available to the highest level military contractors, that's crazy. Like, especially when it comes to drone technology.

1:17:17Like, you're competing with China, and they're doing these enormous light shows with a fucking dragon flying through the sky. Have you seen some of those? I saw, seen them fall out and hit people. Oh. I got a crack of view. This is going to make an omelette out of town. I'm glad I don't go to drone shows for this very reason, Joe. I'm careful. Yeah, that's probably like those air shows. Well, they fly jets around. I'm not going to be on the call. No, I'm not going to those. That's why I like Starlink, because Starlink is really first and foremost, a military system. And very smartly, I think Elon is very good at marketing.

1:17:53It's like, let's give this to the people. You know, so that's... Everyone, I mean, I have it as a backup at home. I have fiber, but I have a Starlink. I think, of course, I want to have this, but it's really a military system. Did I just look with me to the mountains in Utah? When I went hunting. It's the size of this path. Yeah, the to go. It's incredible. It's incredible. You can make phone calls, you can do FaceTime, all from the mountains in the middle of nowhere. I know, I know. It's... We used to dream of... I think I had databelt .com at one point. I dreamt about, you know, wouldn't it be great if we all have these satellites and they're circling around and we called the data belt and we'd have all this stuff and, you know, all these things that I can just see the delight of...

1:18:34And of course, a lot of... You know, SpaceX, these are very sophisticated NASA people. He has all kinds... The best of the best is in there. I think he knows how to hire the right people. And... But he's smart at how he markets that. He really is. Well, the newest thing is they've teamed up with Team Oble. So there's... Yeah, so you have Starlink and so on. Combatable phones only, Joe. Right. So you've gone to flip phone now? I've gone to flip, yeah. So you texting on that thing? No, we do it on signal, so I do that from my computer. Oh, you're weirdo. So now you've gone completely flip phone.

1:19:09So you don't text anybody anymore? No, I can text. I can text message, but we've... But it's like T9. No, no, no, there's actually... So I still have my graph EOS, which is the D -Google stuff. And that? No, you can't put that on here. So this is Android, but all I really have on here is text messaging, RCS. That's it? Yeah. So I'm still a green bubble. This is a big flip. $63. And it's from Caterpillar, baby. Wow, so this is like for job sites. Yeah, yeah. I bet your battery lasts a year. How long is the battery? It's literally two days if I don't charge, it keeps going. Oh, yeah, it's no problem.

1:19:42So this is Android and you have a touch screen. A touch screen? Yeah, yeah, if you text it pops up. Now, it's... This might be them. The whole thing is it's hard to use, and that's why I like it, because I don't want... It's a trap. Well, reading your text messages is a trip. What am I saying? Nothing. They're so small. This is crazy. How do you get back? Use the back button on the keyboard. Oh my God, that's hilarious. So in a pinch, I can bring up a web page. In a pinch, I can bring up my email. Right, but it makes it complicated. Yeah, so I'm hindering myself so that I'm not enslaved to it.

1:20:24And actually, I hear from our daughters, that there's a lot of kids who are doing this now, because they want to be more present, particularly that... So if you want to send a text message, like if you want to get into your messages, what are you using to send a text message? Oh, here. Are you doing like T9? No, no, no. So you're typing, you have a little tiny keyboard that can even do a little tiny speech. They're emojis for my wife. See, you just hit that and then up pops the keyboard. But you can also swipe, so you can just swipe around. Keyboard's hilarious. You can also do... I'll try to write hello.

1:20:59Hello. My wife will be like, what's going on? It's probably auto -completing. It's terrible. Yeah, you got it. I have it in swipe mode. So just swipe along the letters. Yeah, just... Oh, no. High sense. No, I didn't want to. I have fat ass fingers too, man. This is not going to work. It's not easy. And... But I, you know, it's like, I just need to... I like talking to people now too. Like, it's a great phone for talking to people. Yeah, talking to people is better. And you know what's cool? Do you have an navigation on this thing? No. Well, I could put it on there. But it won't work. But, you know, you talk to someone like, Yeah.

1:21:37Yes. Satisfying. Yeah, that is satisfying. Has... It look has a little alert, if we get a text message, so I can see if someone... So if someone tells you, hey, the meeting got moved to 10 p .m. I don't have meetings, Joe. Wow. I got... No, no. Our dinner reservations get changed. You'll get it. Yeah. You know, it's... Devore act my partner. I don't know, Agenda. He, uh... He literally has a phone in his drawer. And he never takes it out. He has decided, no, I don't use navigation. He lives in San Francisco. He wants to... You know, he wants to keep his mind sharp by driving around. He says, whenever I need a phone, I just turn around to someone and say, Hey, man, can I use your phone for a second?

1:22:16There's always someone with a phone, he says. So if I really needed to look something up, I just ask him for it and it's good to go. It... You know, you get the feeling that you need this thing, but you really don't. Well, you definitely don't if you have a laptop. Yeah. And... And spend dedicated time doing certain things, you know. Especially like, if you... I can't keep up with emails, it's impossible. It just doesn't... Doesn't make sense. Yeah, see, that's basically all I do. I can't do it. It doesn't work. I have filtering and all kinds of stuff. Like, there's like people who will email me 15 times a day.

1:22:50Okay. And, well, the thing is, of those 15 messages, there's one gem in there. So, you have to check them every day. Otherwise, in three days, you've got 45 different messages. Well, it doesn't make any sense. How many? 45. 100. 45 hundred messages. From that one guy. Oh, yeah, but I put him in his own email box. Oh, I see. And so then, you know, like, when I'm prepping for the show, like, no, no, no, no, no, I can just see, you know, maybe, maybe, check that out. Yeah. So, I'm a real, that's a, I'm a real information manager. That's, by the way, I am not a big believer in the benefits of AI at this moment.

1:23:28But if it can fix my email, then I'll believe it. And so far, no one's done that with email. How could it possibly fix your email? It should know what I want to see and what's relevant to me based upon how about the transcript of my show or, I mean, all these wonderful inputs I can give it, how come it can't do that? It's, no one has fixed email for me. When you do that, then I'll be a little more, a little more of a believer in AI. Right now, I think it's a great parlor trick. I think it's keeping the stock market afloat. You know, we've gone through three AI winters. Even has his own wiki page, AI winters.

1:24:02It comes and goes, you know, at a certain point it was, uh, this was the programming language and then, you know, that went away and then funding dries up. And, you know, now it's like what we don't really need a hundred million dollars to build a model. Oh, but wait a minute. They stole that from you so you can copy. I run these models at home on my own computer. I run the Lama model, which is meta. They've open sourced it. I've run the French one, whatever their frog model, whatever they call it. And then deep seek, you can also just load that on your own computer. And it's not very impressive.

1:24:39I mean, it's just not that the error rate is too high. So I'm, I'm skeptical of it really taking off. And it certainly don't think it's sentient or anything of that kind. I think it's on its way. And I think also the versions that we're getting are not the versions they're currently working on. And the people that I know that are in the loop at the highest levels of AI are alarmed, including Elon. I had a conversation with Elon. We went to, we were in line together to go to church the day of the inauguration. It just happened right next to him. And we just walked through together. I'm like, hey, what's up?

1:25:16And that's all I wanted to talk about was the leaps that Grock AI is making. And he's like, it's like weekly. We're shocked. And I think this thing is exponential. And when they start attaching large language models to quantum computing, it's going to get very, very weird. That's the pivot I'm waiting for when people start. That's coming in, man. And that's going to be like an asteroid hitting the Yukiton. You know, we've been waiting for quantum computers to actually work for 30 years. And it's always 10 years away. And right now it's 10 years away. But right now they're able to do things with them.

1:25:54You know, they're able to solve very complicated algorithms. One, it was, I'm not an expert in this, but there was one computation they did. And you know, that may be a computation it could do. It's not necessary that you can give it any computation. But you know that the computation, so that it's doing are so insanely complex that they believe it's proof of the multiverse. Yeah, I've heard this. Yeah, you're not buying it. No, not at all. Really? Not for a second. No. Because I, how dare you? I don't. I'm a lot of it. Look at me. I believe in this. Yeah. I've got a smoke shake. For a number of reasons.

1:26:34One is, I'm not using it. I am the techno guy. I've always been early in computers, early in the internet. And I just can't find the use for it. When I find it, it does some simple things. It's very good at language. Honestly, if I'm looking, if I'm like, okay, here's my situation. I'm looking for Bible scripture. It'll come up with something good. And then I can say, and read it to me like a, like a Baptist pastor. It'll go, hey, brother, you know, you'll do all that stuff. But okay, you know, it has all of the translations of the Bible in it. And so it can predict reasonably what scripture will work.

1:27:11It's usually not all that great. It can do term papers. It can do, you know, we're in a position now where people are putting their resume into chat GBT, sending it off, you know, thousands of people are sending off for a job. And the other end, the people are taking that resume, putting it into chat GBT and saying, please summarize this resume. I mean, that's insane. We were, it's like, what are we doing here? That doesn't make any sense. If it can fix my email, they'll be very impressed. That's all I want. You're emailing us a particular puzzle, though. That's a thing. Everyone's email is a puzzle.

1:27:42It's like, you know, the spammers get around stuff and they figure it out. And you say, report a spam, then it comes back in a different way. And, you know, it, and how many older people, especially, but even people are age who get scammed by, you know, these emails that look pretty convincing. And then the minute you click, you know, then you're, they're like, oh, I should put my password in. And then you go on, you're done. There was, there's a phone scam going around right now, which is unbelievable. They had me going for 15 minutes. I got a call, it was eight o 'clock in the morning, right at eight o 'clock.

1:28:20And I'm about to walk the dog so I press at the voicemail. I come back, I listen, this is the sheriff from Travis County and had a five one, two number. And, you know, I need to talk to you urgently. I'm like, okay, this is kind of messed up. I call back, I get it. I get someone, I want sheriff's own. So yeah, hold on a second, we'll transfer. I'm here and, you know, like police radio chatter in the background. The guy gets on and he's saying, well, you were an expert witness. You were called to be an expert witness in a case. I just happened to, and maybe this is not coincidence. I was asked to testify.

1:28:54I'm someone's behalf in a case. And so you were supposed to be an expert witness in this case. You didn't show up. So, you know, you've basically broken federal law and, you know, we have to come and pick you up. And we have to, you know, or you can pay a fine. And, and then I'm like, okay. And it, and it just kept on going. And I'm like, whoa, hold on a second. It sounded so real. And then at a certain point, it's like, well, you need to go, you need to get a coupon to send this money. I'm like, I'm going to call my lawyer. You can't call your lawyer. I have a do not hang up order. I have to walk you through the whole process.

1:29:31I'm like, okay, now I got it. But that was 10, 15 minutes later. And a lot of people have fallen for this one. It's, it's good. Super sophisticated, huh? Very sophisticated. So is that overseas? Are they like spoofing a number? No, I mean, these are American voices. It sounded like a sheriff. It really did. And the deputy sounded like a deputy. I mean, it was sophisticated. It's good. It's really, my first was the fine. Like, uh, 3000 for this, for this infraction and 2000 for that infraction, you know, for these two different things. And then you're going to bank transfer. So they're going to get your bank numbers.

1:30:05But I mean, at that point, I, I caught on like, a hole on a second, you know, how'd you get off of it? I said, I'm going to call my lawyer. And he's like, no, no, I'm like, you can't tell me. I can't call my lawyer. This is a bull crap. And then, and I had to calm down. I'm like, I said to Tina, I said, these, listen to what just happened to me. This is crazy. Some people I know in our, in our, in our, in our, in Fredericksburg actually went all the way. Wow. Yeah. The older people, you know, and they were afraid. They're like, oh, of course, authority. That's how they get you. Yeah. I'm sure you've got the, the one that says, uh, this is my favorite Bitcoin scam.

1:30:40It's like, uh, okay. I have installed a spyware on your computer. And I saw what you were doing looking at that porn site and I've recorded everything. And I'm going to release it all to your, to your friends and on your social media. If you don't send me $2 ,000 in Bitcoin right away, don't even think about contacting the authorities if you're gotten that one. They've sophisticated it even more now. Well, they'll, they'll use your name and your address. Oh. Like, I know you live at this address. It's, it's freaky, man. So that kind of stuff will be nice if we could have AI protect us from that.

1:31:14Yeah. If it can do all these wonderful things, focus on that. Help people, save people now. Yeah. Cut out the scam. Yeah. Cut out the, speak and scamming. What do you think about shit coins? Like what's, what's your take on like, Hock to a coin? Okay. And Melania coin and those are more meme coin coin. Trunk coin. Or meme coins. Um, shit coins, right? Isn't that what a meme coin is? Any, so the only coin I believe in is Bitcoin. And we've talked about this before. Right. In fact, I looked it up, hoping you would bring it up two years ago when I was here the last time Bitcoin was around $40 ,000 today.

1:31:49It's close to $100 ,000. Yeah. This, this will continue to go up until we're long gone. Um, it's very interesting. So I don't believe in, in shit coins at all because if you have Bitcoin has no CEO, there's no one in charge of it. It's literally tens of thousands of people around the world who run these nodes that make it open and make it run and keep it at this 21 million coin. I'm totally down with Bitcoin. Okay. I'm with you. Good. But I think the shit coin thing is fascinating that anybody can create a coin. Yeah. You know, like Jamie has a pull it up Jamie coin. I don't know if you know, but you, but you, don't put that on me.

1:32:30You do not. It's nothing now. I mean, now that you just said it, now that we just said it, because we brought it up yesterday with the bone yard guy with John Reeves and we said, you should have your own coin. Get it the bone yard coin. And now apparently somebody made one. So this is, you bring this up in context of scams because they are scams the way it works. It's trouble. So if, if I wanted to make a quick, quick amount of money, I'd have a, a shit coin and have my bots ready. And I'd say, Hey, Joe, have you heard about my, my curry coin? And you'd be like, no, wait a minute. And it would come out and it would skyrocket.

1:33:02My bots would sell it. I would make a lot of money and it would be dumped right away. It's a scam over and over and over. But what if you don't sell it? Yeah. Then you'll have empty bits worth nothing. But if you, so it's only available for pump and dumps, that's what, that's the only thing it's good for. It's, it's not good for anything else. What about if you wanted to use it to finance charity? Is it possible to do that? Bad idea. Bad idea. Yeah. You know, a lot of charities now, they will accept Bitcoin and why is that good? Because people have Bitcoin and I have some Bitcoin. I've been saving my Bitcoin for a long time.

1:33:39Instead of selling it to which I then have to pay capital gains over the difference between what I bought it for and sold it at, I can give it to the charity. I can still take my tax deductible right off. They can do one of two things. They can convert it right away into dollars. No capital gains because it's the same, the same minute. So I've actually been able to give more than I would have or they can sell some of it and hold some of it for a longer term. I really, really believe in Bitcoin and what we're seeing now, there is something interesting going on. Our dollar is in big, big trouble.

1:34:16And President Trump knows this. This falls into kind of the tariffs talk. Have you heard about stable coins? No. OK. Do you mind if I just give it a little? Sure. Our monetary system, it really started after World War II, 1944. We were nearing the end of the war. D -Day was coming. Maybe it just happened. We're getting pretty close. And Europe in particular was very worried that after the war, they would fall into the same great depression that happened after World War I. And we had the great depression. So they brought in all the economists and all the money and people got on the Queen Mary and went to the States to Bretton Woods.

1:34:56You've heard of Bretton Woods, probably. No. The Bretton Woods system? OK. So Bretton Woods is just this resort. They all got together and they decided that they would have a new monetary system for the entire world. I'm not an economist, but I've looked at this long enough to understand it. And when they came out after two weeks, they said, OK, we're going to have this thing called the International Monetary Fund, the IMF. And they're going to manage the interest rates or they manage the currency exchange between all the individual countries with the US dollar as the reserve currency. So we became the money of the world and we back it by gold.

1:35:35And the idea was, one dollar could always be exchanged for 35 ounces of gold. And when you're the reserve currency, everyone has to have the dollar. So everybody wanted our dollar. What did we do? We signed the Marshall Plan. We signed tens, just billions of dollars over. All our companies went into Europe, started building factories. And so the dollar kept going in. All these other currencies kind of came a little bit weaker because we were so strong with our money. And then people got a little worried about the dollar they looked around and went like, hey, do you guys have the gold to back that up in Fort Knox?

1:36:11Of course we didn't because we just kept printing money and sending it over. And then you get into this thing called the the Triffin dilemma. And that means that when you are the reserve currency, your currency is basically overvalued and you can't export anything. And that's exactly, I'm skipping overlap, but that's where we are today. Our products are too expensive to ship to China and sell in China because of the value of our dollar. This is why President Trump is saying, hey, all our money is flowing out towards you. We need to get some of that back so we're going to raise tariffs. I think it's a short -term solution.

1:36:49So I think two things will happen. One is we have this sovereign wealth fund, which you've heard him talk about, the sovereign wealth fund. So in that will be the value of our public land that the government owns and all kinds of other things. It will be valued at this astronomical amount. And in that will also be the strategic Bitcoin reserve that the President promised. Now we get stable coins. This is a crazy, crazy thing that's happened. There's this, so a stable coin is a digital dollar. It's pegged to the dollar so it's always a dollar. And you can pay with this through the internet, through apps and everything.

1:37:30It's already being used all over the world. The only reason it's worth a dollar is because the stable coin company that creates it, they have debt and paper to back it up. So they buy America's debt. They get treasury bonds or T -bills, which actually pays a dividends. You get interest on that. And for each dollar, they have bought in treasuries. They can create a stable coin. So if you look at the company tether, they have bought more of the United States debt than most countries. They have $160 billion worth of US debt. And for each of those dollars, they've created a stable coin, which now people can use all over the world transacting.

1:38:17And what's their business? It has like 50 people in the company. So they have $160 billion at 4 % interest annually. They're making bank just for holding this debt. So I think President Trump is very smart and he's seen that we can flood the world with our stable coin. And you kind of get a two for one. So you create a dollar of debt, but then you create another dollar on top that can be used all over the world as the reserve currency. And that should probably result in, I don't know, the Mar -a -Lago accord or some new monetary system that we're going to have to come up with to really have our dollar be valued properly, but also still remain the reserve currency and remain the strong export country that we need to be.

1:39:06Because what do we do? We don't make anything that we sell abroad. We can't all be serving each other burgers and fries and washing each other's cars and cleaning each other's homes. We have to build something. And all of that went overseas. Everything, everything we got, all of the stuff on this table. This, you know, you didn't come out of his butt. This is from China. Although, I don't know. So there's something big coming, really big. And it has to happen. And Trump is a very meta guy. People misunderstand. He's going to refy the country. That's what he's a real estate guy. He's going to figure out a way to refy it.

1:39:51And it'll be digital. And a lot of the bitcoins don't like this because they like Bitcoin to be the money that the whole world uses. That may one day happen, but now it's more like the digital gold. You can keep your value in it. And I can send a billion dollars, if I had it, I could send a billion dollars to another country, to another person in 10 minutes. And no one can stop me. So it's a very useful tool, but it hasn't quite turned out to be money or currency the way it was originally intended. But it's going to be a very important part of it. I think you'll see Bitcoin be a part of that strategic reserve.

1:40:31It's easier than sending gold. You know, then, oh, I'm going to ship you a billion dollars worth of gold. I need, you know, armored cars, I need dudes, everything. Security and ships and whatever. So it'll be a part of it and you'll still be able to use it between people. But it looks to me like stablecoin in tether in particular is going to be the future of the US dollar payments. And this is where a lot of people on the right certainly are very afraid of control grid. Because a stablecoin is not necessarily like Bitcoin, you can stop it, you can control it, you can see who sent what to whom.

1:41:16There's a lot of fear about this. And particularly, although I don't see any maliciousness this fear that Elon and the PayPal mafia and Peter Teal, all guys you've met, all guys you've had on the show, I think are actually quite nice people that they're going to bring in the new with AI and we're all going to be locked in and you know, stargate will bring cancer, mRNA vaccines that will be mandated. People are spinning up over this stuff. And I'm not saying that they're necessarily wrong or there should be no concern, but we are moving towards a digital dollar and it will have aspects of control, which is why I like the backup of Bitcoin so I can still transact and do things without anybody being able to stop it.

1:42:01And you're going to get none of that with a shit coin. Nothing. When FTX that scandal, what were they trading in? Was that all meme coins? Was that different cryptos? Yeah, they are different between meme coins and established crypto coins. Well, and established anything but Bitcoin has someone who can change the ledger, who can change the blockchain. Bitcoin you can't do that. It has, it's a beautiful system. The checks and balances are immutable. I mean, that's the beauty of Bitcoin. Any other blockchain that is owned or operated by a company or people can be and will be manipulated. And FTX was one of those.

1:42:44What I believe FTX was really used for was slush fund into Democrat party and politician, not just, also to some Republicans as well. That kid, that Sam Bankman, he got abused by his parents, I think. I'm just alleging this. I don't want to get sued over it. But when you see what was going on there and the money that was just being slushed right through into different foundations. Democratic operatives, right? Big time. They had nonprofits and all kinds of... And he was the number two donor to the Democratic party. That's right. That's right. And you're doing that to kind of buy your way through this.

1:43:20That's what it seemed like to me. Because you're doing shenanigans. And they're also doing amphedymines. And he was a polyamorous religious gypsy in the Bahamas. It's a polycule, Joe. It's just a polycule. I mean, it was sad for these kids. Because they were just all excited and doing stuff. And, you know, I mean, when I've been in... I've raised money from Kleiner Perkins and Sequoia Capital. And when you get them all googly Gaga over, oh, this guy was so cool. He was sitting in the pitch meeting and he was playing a video game. But he's such a genius. I mean, what? Are you kidding me? Right.

1:43:59Venture capital investors are not necessarily the most sophisticated. Well, they want results. And if they're getting results, they'll put on the blinders. What I... I was just reading about Elizabeth Holmes. Oh, yeah. I love that story. She got screwed. She got screwed? Oh, yeah. How so? Well, okay. So she was in a situation where the so -called smartest investors in the world, which included Colin Powell. And everyone was in on this deal. Everyone's like, you got to get your money in now. Bring everybody in. We got this big fund. This is going to be it. This is the blood test. It'll change medicine.

1:44:38And they hyped her up. They put her in the magazine. They got on... She was looking like the female Steve Jobs. And she got caught up in it. And false... Okay. But you're taking agency away from her. No. She changed her voice. She started dressing like Steve Jobs. She started lying about results. This is... She fired people that didn't go along with it. Yes. But does she deserve to go to jail for 10 years for ripping off people who were stupid? Yes. Really? Well, you can't rip people off. I think you have restitution and things that you can do. And hundreds of millions of dollars people lost. Like that's not rest too.

1:45:14You don't have that money. You're not going to pay it back because your product sucks. So they've dumped all this money and lost it. It's a civil crime and there's definitely some blame on the investors. But the investors were too big to look stupid. So I think they pushed a little bit more on her than she... I'm not trying to defend her false vacation at all. You think she should go to jail at all? Yeah. But not for 10 years. How long? A couple days? Yeah, just a couple days. Yeah. Just enough to transition, Joe. Yeah, just enough to come and do it and then we're good to go. No. I mean, it's just another example of big money being stupid.

1:45:53Maybe they could just admit that. They pushed her. I know how it goes. I remember we had a pod show which was a lot of sophisticated investors, Kleiner and Sequoia, same people, Elon. I met Elon when they launched Tesla. I was at the hangar where they did the first test drive. It was interesting. And I was like, this guy seems like on the spectrum. He's not really talking much. It's like, what's going on here? I was like, what's happening with this? And so we were doing podcasting. So this is right after maybe a year after Steve Jobs put it into iTunes and the iPod. So there was money coming in.

1:46:41And the first thing they said is, you've got to be in San Francisco. Well, if you want a media company, where's the last place you want to be in San Francisco? You need to be LA or New York. No, no, no, you got to be here. Why did they want you to be in San Francisco? So they could come and see the office and check out the operation and make sure their money's being spent well. And they'll often are they going to visit? Oh, you have no idea. They're always dropping by and like, what's going on? So you're doing reports and it's just want to hang out with the cool guy. That will that too, maybe.

1:47:11But then, it was definitely a struggle. We were actually kind of profitable for a bit there. But it was like, go daddy ads with promo codes. Code Bon Geno. I mean, it was like, yeah, are people really listening or they're just using the codes? And there's always a lot of scams in the honey scam. Well, not like that. No, there's scams of, when companies need to, we didn't do this. But when companies need to raise more money in Silicon Valley, then they'll buy some traffic from bots. And I'm sure it happens on with comedy videos too. I'd need some traffic on this video. Let me buy some bots on some things.

1:47:51You definitely can do that, right? Right, of course. Yeah. But then at a certain point, a YouTube had come out, you know, and YouTube. Everyone has to do video now. You got to do video. You can't do audio. You got to do video. And then it got even worse. Like we sat in a board meeting and like, have you seen juiced juice? Do you remember juiced? No. J -O -O -S -T. Oh, yeah. It was the guys who built Skype. They built this video platform that was basically a peer -to -peer streaming television shows. And there was no doubt about it. You've got to go a video. Be more like juiced. Make your interface like juiced.

1:48:28So at a certain point, you're like, well, what am I going to do? Am I going to risk running out of money? Am I going to listen to what they say? Do they really know what they're talking about? And ultimately, the company ran for 10 years and no one exited. It just kind of got folded into other things. So it was not a great investment of their money or my time, honestly. Well, it's kind of amazing that the big video platform is still just YouTube. And now, YouTube just passed Netflix now. Is the most watched thing on television. Oh, they're not even counted in the streaming data, in the streaming wars.

1:49:01But yeah, I have YouTube TV. I cut the cable. I don't watch, I don't have cable anymore. It's like, I've just, I watch YouTube on TV more than I watch anything. Because there's so much variety. There's so many different things you can search. The fact that you could essentially find anything like if I'm interested in, you know, some particular region of the world of ancient history, I just punched that into YouTube. And I've hundreds of thousands of videos on it. It took them a long time to get, I think, to make that profitable inside of Google. Because if you see how many videos are being uploaded daily and transformed into digital video, and I mean, it's crazy the amount of computation that goes into YouTube and the amount of bandwidth that is being sent.

1:49:47So I think it took a long time. They never really reported the numbers. They've only done that in the past couple of years or how much revenue. And now, of course, YouTube is making bank. I mean, it's really, it's an incredible system. It's shocking that no one has come up with anything even remotely close. It would take too much money. It's so much investment that goes into doing that. It's a lot. I mean, you remember your bandwidth costs back in the day, pre -spartify. You know, think how do you solve that when you have 100 million videos being posted every single day? Yeah, you can't. I mean, you'd have to have billions of dollars in starting money.

1:50:21And then you're still struggling to get people to use your app. Like, remember that one company that came up? Was it Quibi? What was it? Yes. What was that? They spent so much money. Was it Katzenberg? Katzenberg? And it was a Hollywood thing. It was a Quibi jamming. I think it was Quibi jamming. And they got a bunch of famous people to do short videos. Short, short drama. And they put two billion dollars in and yeah, gone. They blew it real quick. Because you can't manufacture something that goes viral. No, you can't. And that's kind of like TikTok. We talked about TikTok last time. I think I was here.

1:51:01And obviously it's not an issue now that China is spying through TikTok because it's still here. I think as I told you then, I think it's because they were eating Silicon Valley's lunch, doing $4 billion taking away revenue from them. And just looking at the people who sponsored the bill, it seemed like they had a lot of donations from Google and Amazon. That just seemed to me like there might be some issues there. But what people misunderstand about TikTok is it's not just about the videos and the format and how it flies by, it's about the shop. The shop is their magic sauce. If you look at the back end, the influencers who get paid on TikTok, they have this whole back end with rankings and who sold more stuff.

1:51:52Half the videos on TikTok, once you get out of your Algo, half of them are about products. And people are just selling products. It's all from China and it's all been coming in under the $800 Diminimus tax regulation. So there's no import duty or anything paid on it. They actually have, I think, Timu now has warehouses in America. So it's just Chinese crap that we're buying over and over again as wildly successful. It's not really about the ads on TikTok. Do you get ads on TikTok? A lot of ads. I don't use it to talk. Okay. Good. Yeah. So when it was going to go away, I'm like, I got to get this app.

1:52:31I got to see what happens. You know, it's like, this is going to be crazy. So I get the app and I'm using my graphene OS phone so I can lock off all access. All it had was my location. Can't hide that from the IP address in my name. So I can get TikTok on a graphene phone. Yeah. Oh yeah. And you can actually block it from accessing your contacts, blocking. But still that was too much for you. You had to go to a flip phone. That's interesting. Well, that was my, it's my experimental thing. And so all it knew was Adam Curry in the Hill Country. And it went, I think it went Curry, black name, Hill Country.

1:53:07It's probably about 50 churches where he is. Boom, right away. I'm getting black preachers. Heels don't, oh yeah. And it's just like an on and on and on. It's been phenomenal. And some of these guys are pretty good. The ones that fall back, you know, like the guy catches them. Every single time. And so their algorithm is just give that person more of what they want. They're not, they're not trying to do like us, like in, like, you know, meta or, I'm not sure about X how that works. But let me inject some people who are against it or have a counter, a counter argument. Like when, when I was on the last time and I talked about my, my coming to Jesus, dude, there were TikTok videos with millions of views of just this, you know, this is one bit.

1:53:54And if you looked at it one time, or just you get the same over and over again, they get all kinds of Jesus stuff back and forth. That's all not anyone going, yeah, you guys are crazy. You know, this is no good. None of that. So it's a very friendly, it's kind of the Chinese model. You know, it's like give people what they want and don't try to interject them or spin them up or get them angry and then throw an ad in their face when they're all emotional. So it's very different. It's very different. So I don't know if it'll be worth anything to anyone buying it unless you have the shop portion without that.

1:54:27I don't know. I don't think they'd have all that too. I mean, you've got to have the products. You got to have the cheap Chinese products. That's the problem. Like do you have that stuff? I mean, you have to be buying them from China. Yeah. It's fun for, you know, for us, like, oh, you know, different crazy people. I mean, DeVorac used it all the time. He's in an algo of just nut jobs. You know, he's like, blue hair. Look at this. He plays clips on the show. I'm like, dude, you got to do something else with your life during the days. It's just amazing how many of those kooky people are getting so much traction.

1:55:01And that was the thought that it was a Chinese sia up, that they were accentuating all these people. And that was like ruining the culture of America because it was showing you all these blue -haired psychopaths with beards and lipstick and - But it's really polished. It's really, so I heard the same thing from I heard people saying, dude, you're wrong. They want to get rid of TikTok because that's where Maga lives. I'm like, huh? And then it was, because that's all they got. They got Maga. And that's what offends them. Exactly. So it's just, it's very social media. The internet in general was kind of a bad idea.

1:55:38It's kind of hurt as good for many things. But there's two sides of the same coin. It's good and bad. I mean, why would you say it's a bad idea though? I think it's a great idea. Well, I mean, you were just talking about it to shift the balance of - Because of the sia ups. If we're not aware of the sia ups and the DARPA, the Defense Agency Research Project - Agency. I had too many agencies in there, DARPA. Since the 70s, they've been looking at social networks. And really in the - There's a guy, he can't - can't - were the law of large numbers. And they figured out that in a computer network, regardless of the content, depending on - if you have enough nodes, you can predict where the information will flow.

1:56:25So if I'm talking about something here, if they boost the right nodes, they can predict where that information will go. And that's - That's how - I don't think even Elon can stop that from happening. It's not an algorithm thing. It's literally like a law of nature thing. That just - That's the way it will flow. And you can start injecting things to the right nodes and you'll propagate some message. And I mean, I think it's happening all the time everywhere. I mean, once you start looking, it's like, well, where's that coming from? Well, I think we need to educate people on how to - how to digest social media.

1:57:07And, you know, I think you should treat it the same way you treat junk food. And I think there's certain aspects of social media that are really interesting. And I like them. I mean, most of what I get on social media is what my friends send me. So that's how I do it. And this is how I stay sane. It's like, my friends send me wacky things and I go, oh my god, what is this? Like, me, my friend, Christina Pizzitski, she sends me like the nuttiest trans activist screaming and nutty guys who think they're women. And then me and Thompson Gura weeks change, murder videos, murder, and car accidents and animal attacks.

1:57:50And then, you know, before breakfast, no. I try not to in the morning, but sometimes I have to check my text message because I have business stuff and things going on, you know, guests and this and that. And so I do check, but you know, it's just, it's very intoxicating to just sit there on the toilet and just start scrolling. Toilet scrawler. But you got to, you know, you got to develop discipline and discipline is important for every aspect of your life. You have to know like when you've had too much. But that's not easy for young kids, you know. Right. It's not, but I think they can learn just like they've learned everything else in this world.

1:58:25But you need that. But you need parental guidance and most of the parents are hooked on it themselves. Well, I think they need a message, you know, and I think this conversation is, you know, it's part of that message. You know, I think kids need to realize like you are wasting time. Like if you spend two hours just scrolling through TikTok, you have wasted time. And there's stuff that you probably should be doing and you're going to be depressed if you don't do those things. You're going to feel weird. You're not going to feel satisfied. You're not going to feel like you're on a good path. You're going to like not have a lot of respect for yourself.

1:58:54If you just like sit on the couch all day and scroll through TikTok, which many people listening to this have done a whole day. Just sitting there eating chips, scrolling through TikTok and just wasting your day. That is possible to do. I think there's ways that you can incorporate it into your life where it's interesting. You know, and I've got good algorithms now, especially on YouTube, but pretty good algorithms on Instagram too, where most of the stuff that's showing me is stuff I'm actually interested in. So you get those videos when you're interested in a topic and then there'll be like five different videos that are being suggested to you in about five minutes and you're like, this is just an AI voice that's cobbled a whole bunch of old things together and it's a new version of it.

1:59:41Oh yeah, there's a lot of learning. There's always those too. I think YouTube is the best because I'm interested in specific subjects, right? I'm a car nut. I love old cars and subspecies in this particular. This by the way, lots of people love restored things. People love restored cars. We love, you have, I think do you still have your car? Which one? The Corvette. Oh yeah. I mean beautifully restored just peak, last time I saw it, which was I think it was. This is what I think the president is doing. He's trying to restore us back to being that great American muscle car. And I think people, everybody loves a beautiful restored muscle car.

2:00:27You know what I mean? Well, America is making real muscle cars right now. Like this is one of the rare times where America's got very exciting automobiles that are out now. You know, we've talked a bunch of times about the Corvette ZR1, which is breaking all these laps. Is that the mid engine? That's the mid engine. Is the mid engine 1000 horsepower Corvette that they just released. Tina won't let me buy one. I'm like, let me buy one. No, you got to put your foot down. No, no, I'm good. I'm good. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not sure what to do. No, no, no. She's like, that's a douchebag car. Yeah, for me, it would be kind of douchey.

2:01:02Why? I mean, that's awesome. Don't think that way. That's silly. Ever since I started flying 350 miles an hour, I don't care about how fast they go on the ground, Joe. It's not even how fast you go. It's just, but that's why I like old cars because it's not even how fast I go. I had to see five, though. I did have a long time ago. Those are cool. Yeah. They were there a little shitty, actually. They really got good around C7. C7 was nasty. That heads up display was cool, though. It was like, oh, C5 had a head up display. Yeah, it had a head up display. Look at that. That's the new one. That's the new one.

2:01:31Come on, son. That is not a douchebag car. That's a good, it's a beautiful car. Yeah. That's a fucking American work car. Yeah, that's nice. Can I get my dog in it, though? Look at that. Can I get my dog? How big is your dog? 95 pounds. What is he? She is a great pair of knees, aokbosh rescue mut. But, oh, that's cute. Completely white. I didn't mean to mischender your dog. Yeah, she's very angry. Look how awesome that looks, man. You don't have to take your dog everywhere. It's a reward yourself, Adam Curry. You're the pod father. Get a fucking Corvette. Look at that thing. That's beautiful. Pit inside of that thing.

2:02:04That is beautiful. And the performance of that is unparalleled. It's an amazing automobile. A friend of mine, because he's a real American car. He just bought a Tesla Model 3. He bought it for the autopilot. He says, I wish this came in 16 cylinder multi -turbo. Oh, yeah. But he says the autopilot, he just loves that. He loves the autopilot. I have a S, the plaid. I have a plaid Tesla, the four -door larger sedan plaid. Does have the autopilot? Yeah. Full self drive. It's incredible. It's incredible. I don't use it that much. I like to drive. But just the capability of the car is amazing. The speed and the effortlessness in what it merges with traffic and just takes off.

2:02:50No sound. Beautiful, man. It's beautiful. Yeah. But it's different. So I like old air cooled porches. I had a not fast. I had a not fast. They're not fast. They're not fast. Because you're a manured. Yeah. With the truck clutch. You got to push that thing in. Well, they're floor mounted too. They're different. Old porches are different. But it's what they are is a physical experience. Yeah. It's like a ride. It's a fun, exhilarating experience where you hear though. You hear the engine. You're shifting the gears yourself. It's exciting and engaging. And that is more important to me sometimes than just speed.

2:03:31I don't need to go fast. It's not even about going fast. It's about the whole experience. Yeah. You're feeling the rear end break a little with your ass. You know, is it? You can't do that anymore. These modern cars, man, doesn't work anymore. We used to put Porsche engines into VW buses back in the day. Oh, Jesus. That was awesome. You could all, you can fit it in a, in a beetle. So you can fit or you can fit a Porsche engine into a bowl. Oh, yeah. A lot of people have done crazy beetle transformations where they've hyped up Porsche engines and put them in the back of those things. Yeah. There's a whole like modding community of beetle freaks that take beetles.

2:04:06They're Volkswagen. Yeah. They're Volkswagen. Remember how many there were in the 70s coming in from Germany? We all had a, I had a 1303. I loved my beetle. It was the best. Yeah, when I was a kid, my friend Jimmy had one. He had a, he had a beetle. It was just a cheap on gas. It was easy to drive. The mine was like, I, like I had to jumpstart it because the lock had broken. So like, he jumped started every time you got in. He jumped started every time you got in. And then I'd lost my gas cap. And so I just had a rag in there. Oh, God. And if I went around the highway to the right and if my tank was too full, then gas would leak out and my front tire would start to slide off.

2:04:43That's like easy. It was the back, you know, we were 18, you know, just like, yeah, I got to drive this thing. It was great. I love that. That was a good, we weren't scrolling on TikTok Joe Rogan. We were doing dangerous stuff. That's true. We were jumpstarting our cars and we were, well, I think we're lucky that we've seen both. We've gone through, we grew up in a time where there was no internet and you were going outside to do things and people did physical activities. But then as we got older, we recognized that there's this new technology that's connecting the whole world in this weird way and we're getting to experience it as people who know the world before that.

2:05:20I think we're real lucky. Well, you're a big part of a change, certainly, in young men. I mean, I've seen so many young men who follow you and follow your workout regime. And follow, you know, listen to you. They listen to you about what you're saying about health, about food. And that's a, that's a real, you're an important voice in that regard. You've really, really helped a lot of young men in our country and far beyond. I mean, I know you don't take compliments like this well, but you're, it's very important what you're doing. I'm very happy. That's true. Very important what you're doing. There's a lot of young men that just feel like real disconnected to the world.

2:05:56And nothing seems to be anything that is interesting to them. And they're being pushed into this box where someone's trying to turn them into a fucking chihuahua. You know, like, this is like the evolution of the wolf into the dog that's what's happening with men. Like for some reason, men are supposed to be neutered. You know, there's, in the six, so I've been, ever since I've, I got saved and become a believer, I've really learned about our American history. And I've been blown away by how much because that lot of, you know, you can talk about the sixties. And when they outlawed psychedelic drugs and put it on schedule one, that was the exact same time when the Bible was basically taken out of school.

2:06:40And it was, you know, and, and I think the church in general, you know, kind of went into itself and kind of, you know, became, you know, a thing you do over there on Sundays. Can we pause for a while? Because I have to tell you how you feel about it. You got to pee. Let's do. Let's pause. We'll come back. We'll talk about Jesus. We'll be right back. Yeah. All right. We're back. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. Much better, right? Thank you. So we were going to talk about the vaping thing. Because you were saying that there's nothing wrong with vaping. Well, I didn't say there's nothing wrong with vaping. So what is that?

2:07:11Can I see it? Yeah. Can I hold it? Yeah. So this is a brick. You could hurt somebody with this. If you wanted to fuck somebody up. Well, if you get a good grip, you just, it's like a brass knuckles almost. Yeah. Like holding a roll of pennies. Yeah. No, you wouldn't do that. You're going to break your hand. That's all silly. That's why I carry my gun. That's probably better. That's the battery. This is heavy. So it's, so when I gave up, I've always had, Do I take a poll of this? Yeah, yeah. So it's the top button. Press it and just suck. What is the flavor of this? Tobacco -ish. Tobacco -ish. Yes, tobacco, basically.

2:07:53That was a little hit. Yeah, you kind of got a little hit. You take a big one, right? Let it warm up a little bit. Yeah, press the button and then there you go. It's cracking. Yeah, yeah, go, go, go, go. There you go.

2:08:08That's definitely different than the gas station ones. Oh, you don't want those. This is organic juice. It's got 0 .3 percent nicotine. I wind my own coil made out of silver. The cotton is America made cotton, not from China. No, I've got into this. Yeah, what's the cotton for? So if you look at the mechanism, see? Okay. So the cotton sucks up the juice and then the coil warms up. So the cotton's like the filter? No, the cotton has the juice in it and then when the coil warms up, it creates the vapor from the juice that's in it. So do you have to constantly refresh the cotton? Yeah. So you just dump your cotton in the juice?

2:08:51No, no, no. The juice is inside. It's in the tank. Yeah, it has little wires in there. So it's just putting your cotton in every now and again. And winds a new coil from time to time. How long do you have to wait before you put new cotton in? It depends. I do it usually once every couple of days. That doesn't give me the weird head rush that the gas station ones do. That's Chinese crap. That's what I like though. I like that. All right. Good luck to you. I would like the first hit. That's what you like off those the gas station vapes. It's like you're chasing the dragon. You get that first hit and you're like, first hits like.

2:09:23So they were relaxing and then after that, you never get that again. So I really got into this. There was a store in Fredericksburg called vaporlicious. They retired now. They retired. Jerry and Kathy and they're two old hippies from a. Why do they make it so unwieldy? Well, you can get all kinds of different versions, but I'm a serious user. So I know this whole battery. I have a whole kit with me. Man, I got a screwdriver to open this up. And that doesn't start with your lungs or your health or anything like that. No, I've never felt this good. Okay. And so this is different juice. So what is the juice?

2:09:57Because the thing about the actual oil is the issue, right? Yeah. And this is a thing like a lot of these cheap ones that you're buying off the gas station. You don't know what's in there. This is this is glycol, which is it's essentially the same stuff that's in the theatrical mismachines. Okay. Only much water down. And all it does is just produce vapor. And so what is vapor? Well, it's mainly water. And of course you're mixing it with nicotine. And nicotine, you know, that's that's the piece that I've always liked about smoking. But now I don't get the tar. I don't get all other contaminants.

2:10:33And I also don't get high. You know, I stop. I kind of stop. I used to smoke a lot of weed. I stop. I haven't felt like doing it anymore. Like a glass of wine. But no. And so this, I do have gorilla grip on it. It's like everywhere I go. Where's my vape? Where's my vape? I'm fully aware. I'm addicted to more of the motion of it. Because I would roll up, you know, I could roll them with one hand behind my back and I'm doing it so long. So I'll real split with tobacco with weed. And then it will go out and I put it down and I come up pick it up again. There's certain point. It was like three in the morning I'd wake up like I think I'll go roll a roll of joint.

2:11:16You know, I smoke a whole spliff, go back to bed. I mean, it got to be a little cry. I was smoking a lot. And without it, I'm very productive, Joe. I got a cheesy. I got to tell you, I'm super productive. Well, nicotine is very good for productivity. And for me, it can work. Well, those are my two drugs, you know, caffeine and nicotine. I kind of dig it. I really do. It's very good for productivity. Is there any bad stuff? I mean, I know it constricts your blood flow in your mouth and in other parts probably. I mean, obviously you're putting something in your stream. So I don't know. But you like those pouches?

2:11:54Yeah, I do. But I wanted to see what happens if I took time off and I went out of the country for five days and didn't bring him. And I was fine. Didn't bother me at all. I was wondering if I'd be like, it should four one. Like, I'm okay on the plane. I can fly to Europe. I'm like, you know, I'm okay. I don't need to. Are you going on the bathroom? Just get a quick one in there on the plane? You know, this is a very bad idea. If you do not want to be caught vaping on the plane. Oh, really? Yeah. Of course. I have that set off a fire alarm. I don't know. Can you blow it right into the toilet? You can do what they call zero, zero vape, which is basically you inhale and you just hold it in until nothing comes out.

2:12:36Oh, wow. Yeah. Or, you know, I've done one of these like, and they go on to your jacket. Yeah. I know. I've seen people do that at the movie theater stuff. That is not approved of behavior. So I do not condone that. It's okay. I can handle not not vaping for eight hours or so. So what's in the gas station ones when you're getting that? Who knows? What's in the oil? Who knows? Who knows? That's maybe what killed some people early on in COVID. You know, it might have been bad. A lot of THC, of course, these pre -made cartridges. You just don't know what's in it. It's like, don't, don't, don't vape that stuff.

2:13:11Do not vape the pre -made things. I mean, this is fun. You get to learn how to do it. It's manufacturing. You know, it's a, you get into, I can really get into it. Like, I got this, this diameter silver wire and five. You know, you do five loops or six loops for different impedance. Oh, yeah, there's a whole, I mean, this tank, you know, this thing is like, you tried different, I have must have 18 different vapes that have tried. Like, this is the one. Somebody gave me one at one point in time. It was like, it was carrying around a phone. It was like, I was carrying around, it was the size of your flip phone.

2:13:46Yeah. I know that this is ridiculous. That's me, baby. That's me. That's me. That's me. I mean, another heavy thing in my pockets or in my fanny pack. Yeah. No, this is, this is okay. I mean, it's all right. And then this thing, that, that's basically it. But you decided that the phone was too invasive, even with the graphene OS. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because you could still do everything, just not being tracked. And so I used to go to bed. You know, we go to bed at the same time. You know, we always watch some stupid, like we're in season seven of sign felt right now. You know, so we'll watch a half hour of stupidity.

2:14:18And then we go to bed. And I used to be on my phone, you know, for half an hour scrolling stuff or whatever. And then, you know, okay, I'm tired. Yeah, because my brain has been working overtime on whatever inputs I'm giving it. And now I'm like, well, there's nothing to scroll. So I just go to bed and I'm out in three seconds. I'm like, I sleep. And I sleep all the way through. And I wake up in the morning. I'm refreshed. I feel good. I don't look at social media the first hour I'm up. I mean, I do Bible readings and stuff and devotionals and my text of buddy of mine. And I'm ready, man. Did you do social media in the morning?

2:14:55No. Almost not at all. So when you do it, you do it from a computer. Yeah. Yeah. And when you do that, one of the questions I had about that, does that do voice to text? It can. Andrew. Oh, that's a game. However, of course, when you do that, Google is basically keeping your transfer. There's a company in Austin called FUTO. Wait a minute. So if you just text, it doesn't keep your transcript? Oh, I'm sure it does. But if you, I'm not sure how much of that it does. But when you read, when you speak into it, it goes to the Google servers, the Google server, then trans, transcribes it and sends it back to your phone.

2:15:34It's not happening on the phone. It's happening on Google servers. And they probably keep all of that or my voice or whatever. There's a company in Austin called FUTO, FUTO. And they have an open source voice to text system that don't keep your transcripts. And there's some good guys. I've been messing with that. It's not quite as fast as it would work on that phone. Yeah, you can install it. Yeah. Just as extra key. But do you ever send messages with Google voice or with voice to text on that phone? I've been using FUTO. Oh, you have it on that phone. Yeah. So I use it on my phone all the time, like when I'm in my car, I press the little button to get that Apple series.

2:16:12So, you know, who knows what Apple's doing or that? You don't know. I mean, sending it right to China, all the memes. Maybe, maybe, I don't know. It's all right. It's OK. Yeah. So I went to Boston. You live in Boston, didn't you? So we went to go see the Dooby Brothers. And, what was this? Last year. Yeah, they're around. Yes. And it was wild. It was in Massachusetts. It was one of these, you know, like amphitheaters that's half covered. And we were the youngest people there. And people were sparking weed. You could smell the hope. They're like 80 -year -old dude, smoking doobies. It was amazing.

2:16:51And the Dooby Brothers play. And it was like, what? It was the first 45 minutes is them doing it. This is from our album from five years ago. Dude, we want China Grove, you know, give us long train running. So eventually they get into that. But then they would like, Mike McDonnell's, what a fool believes. You know, I love that song. He would do it syncopically. Like, what instead of doing the song, like we all remember it, you do, what a fool believe. He's like, no, no, don't do that. It was really disappointing. But the opening act was Steve Wynwood. Steve Wynwood's now almost 80 years old. And I get goosebumps just thinking about it.

2:17:30He railed. He wailed. He did, you know, Mr. Fantasy from Traffic. Sure. Which that three quarters of that song is, it's guitar solo. And he's just like, bang, bang, bang, bang, and then, and then, and the crowd is going nuts. And he has all these young kids with them. And you see the close up on the screens and they're like, dude, look at, look at what he's doing. It was amazing. I bring it up because the next day, did you go back to, to Plymouth? Did I go to Plymouth? Yeah. Massaches, it's from Plymouth Rock. Right. So, Plymouth Rock is kind of disappointing because it's like, it's a rock. It's just a rock.

2:18:11And there's a structure around it and like, okay, you know, it's a rock. And there's a little sign next to it that says, we don't know that this was really the rock, but some guy in church who was 90 or old at the time said, yeah, I think this was the rock. So that's the rock. You were talking about the Georgia Guidestones, a few episodes ago, with somebody. Did you know that we have an actual guidestone in America in Plymouth? No. It's called the Monument to the Four Fathers. I'd never heard of this. It's about two blocks in and it's, I think arguably, the largest granite structure in America, certainly, but maybe in the world.

2:18:47It was completed in 1890. And it is the guidestone of America. And if you - No one knows about this. No one knows about this. This is clear. Check it out. The thing is huge. Whoa. And it's literally in a cul -de -sac, a residential area. Really? There's no road. How old is that? It was completed in 1890 after 50 years of building it. Wow. And so this is the formula for Americans. This is what I was going before our P -break. The formula for America. So they constructed this so that if we ever lost our way, we could find our way. But you know when they talk about America was built on Christian values.

2:19:25Like what does that mean? What does that even mean Christian values? I mean, even the word Christian is like, that was actually a slur back in the day that they came up with for Jesus believers. So in the Middle East faith, that's her name, faith, and it's four sides. And one is law, education, morality, and liberty. And has all these cool inscriptions. It's really something amazing to see. And I believe that's the formula that we need to get back. You actually - You live like this. Joe Rogan lives these four sides. You live - You understand law, morality, education, and liberty. And if we can get back to that, you know, that would be just an - In fact, so all of our - All of our early presidents, all of them live by the Bible.

2:20:13Every single one of them. They wrote about it. They studied it. 1778, the first act - So I brought you - This is done by a group called the Wall Builders. And David Barton has all - This - These are the receipts. So that's - It's a Bible, but it has three quarters of that book is writings by our early presidents, all the way up through Reagan. And this David Barton guy, he has all of these originals. I think he lives in Alito, Texas. And it shows you what our code was in the early days, up until the 60s. And that's when, you know, we got this big argument about, oh, we can't have, you know, the whole - The first amendment is the right to establish a religion.

2:21:06And that has been perverted throughout the years to say, well, you can't have, you know, the Bible in schools and the government can't tell you to do this and you can't be talking about - The - The Hall of Congress used to be a church. I mean, that's how we started. And you don't have to necessarily be a believer or save by Jesus just to understand where we came from and the basic tenets of law where those guys created it from. You know, the receipts are in the Declaration of Independence. Our - Our Bill of Rights, our amendments, our rights, not that the government gives us, you know, they all say, the government shall not infringe, the government may not do this.

2:21:45It's what the government could not do because we had rights given to us by our creator. And I think if we got back to a little bit of that in America, we might get a bit more on path, which is why, certainly, all the - All the Jesus freaks are like, wow, President God, President Trump is talking about God. He says, God saved him to - To save America. I mean, this is - A President is a big deal when he does stuff like that. And you can see - Just look at the people around us. Russell Brand, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens. I mean, there's a lot of people who are now starting to see this. And I know you love history.

2:22:21That's why I bought that for you. Because when you see where it comes from, a lot of things start to be clear. And that - That sculpture, that was like - I had no idea it was there. I'd never heard of it. It's not in any books. But it's kind of a template for where we came from. And I think it's kind of important that we look at that as well as, you know, all the other things that we're looking at now with AI and social media. And we can't just be sitting around for four years going, yeah, Trump, yeah, eat on, stop the lives. We've got to find some spirituality one way or the other. I doesn't have to be God.

2:22:58I would like it to be. But people got to find that. I think you're saying some wise things. I think that people need some sort of a moral and ethical structure to live their life through. Jordan Peterson always has this thing. I know that whether or not if you believe in God, if you live like you believe in God, you follow about, you will live a better life. And that is true. I believe it. I believe it. Absolutely. And it's a moral scaffolding. It's very simple things. It's very simple things. You know, the Ten Commandments aren't that hard. That's your law. If you believe the government, I mean, government is an extension of God, if you believe that he instates governments.

2:23:39And I think that God gave us Joe Biden for four years. I really do. He said, you all got to take a look. He has humor too, by the way. Like, you should take a look. And there's a story, I think it's Daniel about King Nebuchadnezzar. And King Nebuchadnezzar, he did not follow God's law. And so God turned him into a donkey, basically, and he was out grazing for seven years, eating grass. I'm like, that sounds a lot like President Biden, that he just turned him into a grass eating donkey who had nothing left, you know? So this, well, you have to see what happens when things go sideways to really understand it.

2:24:22That's why people who grow up in poverty really can appreciate success a lot more than someone is a trust fund kid. Of course. You have to know what it's like when things go bad in our country just experienced four years of being governed by people other than the elected leader. And it's pretty clear now. Yeah. And, you know, the way Mike Johnson laid it out that Biden didn't know what was in some of the executive orders. I didn't sign that. Oh, no. It's kind of crazy, man. I mean, it's interesting because some of that, like, how much can you attribute it to faulty memory and how much of it is actually they passed things by his desk?

2:24:57I don't know. But at the end of the day, we got to see that this was not a good direction. This is a terrible direction. And I think that was like one of the biggest mistakes that Kamala Harris did. It was when she went on the view and they asked her, what would you do differently? And she said nothing. Yeah. Which is crazy. But also, look at President Trump. I mean, can you take a more wrong guy in the auspices and the opinion of presidential and everything? And he learned a lot during his first term. I mean, this was a turnaround of epic proportion, epic proportion. And I know a lot of... It's the biggest political comeback in the history of the world.

2:25:35It'll be in the history books. The show will be a part of that. It's going to be incredibly important for us to look back on this because it's often the misfits. That's what we've got to love the most. So when I see the blue -haired people, I'm like, I really want to love them. Yeah, they probably wouldn't understand it. But crazy chaotic energy. If they just found something they loved and pushed it into that, they'd be better off. But it's also what damaged them up into that point. Like, what kind of a life did they live that left them in this place where they're 35 years old, weeping in front of a city council meeting?

2:26:12Like, who are they and what, what, what wrong? And this is the thing is like we kind of encouraged this victim mentality. We do. And we reward it. It has social credit to it. And you, you, you know, you get to be in a special class of people. And you get to say outrageous things. And people allow you to. And that's not good for anybody. Just like it's...you have kids. You know what it's like. It's not good for kids. Like, you got to tell them like, well, that's not real. You can't do that. That's not yours. Like, there's things that you have to learn. And if you reward victim mentality, then people look to become victims.

2:26:47And so that, like when that lady laid out all of her fucking physical ailments and all of her problems, it is, it is, is if that makes any of the things she's saying makes sense. Because she has all these problems. Like, no, that's not, that's not how the world is. But you're right. And it's been rewarded and it's been rewarded by political operations mainly to get votes and to bring... These people have a vote too, you know. Right. And this is, so bring them in. This is a part of the sia of USAID. And the sia of just the government in general, these control structures that are essentially put in place to make sure that they remain in power.

2:27:23You know, John Perkins? Yes. Have you ever had him on? No, I have not. Oh man, because he wrote about this, you know, economic hitman. Yeah, confession of economic hitman. Wow. I mean, basically USAID, that's what they do, but also state department. So, you know, Marco Rubio seems like a good guy. I'm kind of liking him, but they've got intelligence units inside there. There's all kinds of things that happen with state department. So I hope that also gets uncovered. Well, Mike Benz was explaining yesterday. I was like, this is seems so intertwined. Like, how are you going to, what can be done in four years?

2:27:58He goes, no, this is going to take 50 years. More. He's like, maybe true. He's going to take forever to unwind. He goes, you have to understand how deep these tentacles go. And he laid it out in four and a half hours yesterday. Wow. I probably talked for three minutes for the whole podcast. I'm not kidding. It was with Mike, you got it like, yeah. Can I get the transcript of this show and go over it slowly? Because he goes fast. Well, he's the thing that will happen is viral clips of specific things that he highlights and says that are very significant. We're going to go. Good. Yeah. Those are already out.

2:28:28And I'm sure they're all over X right now as we're speaking. And I love that Doge is, I was skeptical because you know, we heard this during the Reagan administration. Reagan was going to do all this. He was going to make government efficient. And of course it didn't. When I hear that they're going to do the same thing to the military. Amen, man. Yeah. Well, they have to be accountable to an audit. Yes. You can't, they haven't done one ever. Well, the Pentagon's failed seven of them. And the thing is like fraud's real. We know it's real and we know people are pilfering. And if you go unchecked for long enough, that becomes a part of the way people do business.

2:29:05And once that's established and it's been established for decades, then it's very difficult to stop. Because as soon as you start investigating it, people go to jail. And so they're going to try to stop you from investigating it. They're going to try to like bury records. And it's going to get wild. As I'm sure Mike told you and I can't wait to see it, it's not just fraud. It's the actual system instead of us being open. And I think like Trump is doing like, hey, we're just going to have tariffs on you. NATO, you don't like it. Boom, we're not going to protect you. You know, we're going to be fair about this.

2:29:38You can't just be ripping us off. We've been doing all these subversive things with money that's just going to NGOs and nonprofits. I mean, the whole Ukraine thing. He highlighted all this. Did he play the Victorian Newland recorded phone call? No, he didn't. He showed the Biden thing where he said, you know, the prosecutor had to be fired or they wouldn't get the billion dollars in loans. Right. Right. And son of a bitch. Well, Victorian Newland in 2014, the Russians, I think, they released it. They recorded a phone call and she's literally talking to the ambassador. Okay, we want to put this guy in the government.

2:30:14That guy in the government. This guy in Senate. He said, Clitch, leave him outside. He can be the mayor or whatever. I mean, that's not cool. We have some stuff to repent for when all this comes out. And we should pick ourselves up and move forward and just be honest. I think we can do it with a lot of honesty too. I hope so. But the problem is there's a lot of people that are going to be in deep trouble. And they're going to try to stop that from all this accountability. Was Mike bullish or bearish on it? Well, he's, you know, he's in the storm. You know, it's like he doesn't know and knows exactly what's going to happen.

2:30:47You're in the middle of the hurricane. You're telling people what's going on. And that's where he is right now. I mean, I asked him how do you sleep? Because I don't. He needs prayers. He gets some prayers. I'm sure he needs that. And I think his, his fight is very noble. And he's right. He's right. And he's accurate. And the amount of information that guys got in his head is astounding. Yeah. And he can, he's pulling it all off the top of his head while we're talking. Because he lives this constantly. You know, he used to work in the State Department, uncovered all the stuff, been chasing it down forever.

2:31:20And it is a, you know, legitimate historian on this. And thank you for giving him that platform. He's, and thank you for giving Trump a platform and all the things you've done. But the people, when they think of CIA and, you know, these types of agencies, they always think, you know, dark guns and, you know, secrets stuff. But no, it's really subversive writing articles. And my whole family kind of comes from military and intelligence background. So I've heard, you know what I learned? This is crazy. So my uncle was big in the CIA. He was, he was the nationals. He was basically Tulsi Gabbard to Bush senior when he was VP.

2:31:57And then, you know, like, I ran contra happened. And, you know, he basically became ambassador to Korea. He was exonerated, but he was moved out to a different post. My aunt passed away a couple of years back. And when my cousin was doing her eulogy, she said, Aunt Meg, actually, outranked Uncle Don in the CIA. She ran the Russia desk, spoke fluent Russian, but had promised never to tell anybody, not even her own kids. I'm like, what? Aunt Meg spoke fluent Russian and ran the Russia desk for the CIA. And outranked Uncle Don, like, that's some crazy stuff. Crazy. And all those folks, you know, they remember Russia as the real, real bad guys.

2:32:48I mean, I went to, this is my own USAID story. So in 1988, I think it was, we had the Moscow Music Peace Festival. Do you remember that? No. And this is before the wall came down. And it was, I was the only MTV person who went. We went on a 727 from Newark. It was Ozzy Osborn, basically Black Sabbath. It was a Bon Jovi, Motley Crew, Skid Row. We stopped in Germany to pick up the scorpions. What was that flight like? Dude. So dude, dude, you'll love this. There you go. Wow. So the reason... Where are your film and things even back then? So the reason this happened was... Look at you. Yeah. Yeah, there you go.

2:33:37Tico Torres from Bon Jovi. I mean, so Doc McGee, who was the manager of Bon Jovi and Motley Crew, his... I'm paraphrasing the story, but I'm pretty sure it's correct. That was Ozzy. Oh, let me just realize that was Ozzy and Sharon Ozzy. Oh, like who are those people I've been wanting to watch? Look at Sharon. Look at Sharon. She's like a kid. And like a British house frow, nice, roly -poly. She should not be... No, O face for her. So... O face? Oh, is that a big... So... Look at Ozzy.

2:34:12So... So Doc McGee's Learjet have been caught smuggling in like, you know, bales of marijuana into Florida. And his get out of jail free card was he was supposed to organize an anti -drug and alcohol concert in Moscow. Oh. Right. So this is where I'm pretty sure USAID came into it. And the CIA. And so this was supposed to be a complete drug free, alcohol free. We're all gonna go there and do a huge one night concert. We're there for a week. On the plane, Ozzy is so drunk. He... He's so drunk. Yeah, so we're in the back there and he's... At the laboratory mid -mid -mid -plane. And it's someone else is in there.

2:35:02And he's like... Shhhhhhhhhhh! Shhhhhhhhhhh! Shhhhhhh! And she's like, oh, Ozzy! And he pees his pants right there in the aisle. Like holy crap. Ah! Ozzy peed his pants. Shhhhhhh! It's so pretty. This was a wild trip. And I got a briefing beforehand by some dudes and suits. I... This is 88, so I don't... You know, I wasn't really thinking USAID, CIA. And they're like, here's the deal. You're gonna be there. Do not talk to any women. Don't go to any hookers. Do not take any hookers to your room. They're all gonna be KGB. And you know, you don't want any part of this. And there's gonna be... Are people gonna be watching you and just be...

2:35:42KGB hookers. KGB hookers. We actually did go to the Hooker boat, which is pretty wild. It was a boat? Yeah. They had a prostitute boat. The ugliest hookers in the world is like, no one's gonna... Pirates. We all kind of went to go check them out. We're in the hotel. They literally... This is, you know, Soviet Union still. They literally turned on the heat in that part of the city. It was winter. And the mattresses were made of straw. And you had to bribe the lady for a phone call. You'd reserve it 24 hours in advance. You have to give her tuna fish and toilet paper rolls. It was wild. Wow. Middle of the night, I'm with Sebastian Bach from Skid Row.

2:36:20We're outside. We go to Red Square. We're drinking vodka on Red Square three in the morning. Walk back to the hotel. There's the Moscow Hells Angel show up. And they're on like these Yugoslav motorcycles and they're popping wheelies and falling off. And we're like, what's going on? And then this Russian official comes up with... They had the really big hats. And he's like, tap, tap, tap on the back of one of the merch trucks. And all he wanted was t -shirts. And so, you know, he gave him a whole bunch of t -shirts. Everybody leaves. Crazy. So we have this concert and the kids... They went nuts of all the bands.

2:36:55Bon Jovi, Montlichru, Ozzy. They all knew Ozzy. They were all singing phonetically. They, you know, cries and hides. They didn't know the words, you know. But the crazy train kind of came out of their mouth. And what was... Look at this. Yeah. You can see all the... Take you with some volume. There's some military in front, I think there it is. But the lead in stadium... Look at that. Fly high again. Fans stood in harmony for 12 hours to watch and listen to the likes of Bon Jovi, Motley Crew and Skid Row, who all agreed to... Wow. So here's the kicker. The Scorpions had a number one hit, Wins of Change.

2:37:36The Wins of Change. You don't remember the song. And it was the only song they did not write. And that song was the anthem when the wall came down. Which happened... Oh, here you go. The sea rock. The sea rock. There you go. Or ballad to bring down the USSR. What? Yeah. Is that real? I think so. I think so. I don't remember that song. Can we play some of this song and cut it out, Jamie? I could play it. Play it for us and cut it out. We'll cut this part out of the show, folks. Just go listen to Scorpions and change. Man, we're going to sayopic more Germans.

2:38:181990. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good fucking song. Yeah. A CIA writes hits, baby. That's crazy. The CIA wrote a banger. A huge banger. And here's the funniest part. So when the wall comes down, this is number one. It was 1990. And I think... I can't remember. I think they might have been phonetically singing along with it and Lennon, a stadium when we were there, because it was a number one hit. It was everywhere. This song... This is a year before the wall came down. This song was written after the concert, like in response to the concert. Okay. Yeah. Okay. There you know, it told you I don't have it all right.

2:38:56But the CIA wrote it. The CIA wrote it. They probably had it in the archives. Oh my God. The funniest thing was, so huge in Europe at the time was Baywatch. You know, you know, the whole... Have you ever had Hasselhoff on? No. There's a funny guy. This guy... He was on Fear Factor. Oh. Did you like him? Did you like him? Yeah, he was a nice guy. I mean, I've met him a couple times. You know, he had to go to the bathroom a lot at the time, but you know, whatever. MTV Beach House, like, he was manager, be like, Dave, would I think you need to go to the bathroom and get some energy? Oh, yeah. Anyway.

2:39:29But so, you know, the story of Baywatch is phenomenal because he self -financed it. Nobody wanted it in America. And he became this monstrous, global hit everywhere except America in the beginning. And, you know, he became wildly successful, rich. And Germany is where it was number one. It was just for years, number one, Baywatch. And so Hasselhoff, or as they say, Der Hof is... Hello, Deutschland. Here's the Hof. Everyone knew him. He was standing on top of the wall with a sledgehammer. And he claims that he brought down the Berlin wall.

2:40:05With Baywatch's sign up. Is that where you got not? I don't know, but... Oh, my God. Well, this is also part of the thing that Mike Ben's got into with the music business. That they do sort of finance these, you know, disruptive kind of songs and political movements. Sure. Of course. Of course. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the powerful tool, man. That's that book about Laurel. There he is. Look at him. He's bringing down the wall. What is he singing? He was a pop star, right? He had the disco hits. He had these poppy hits. Yeah. And Frieda, baby. I did it. And he got glittering jacket on and everything.

2:40:46Awesome. American icon, ladies and gentlemen. That's not even glittery. That's an LED jacket. Like that jacket's got a battery. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Of course. We loved him from Knight Rider. You know, he was a cool dude. We all wanted a kit watch, you know, which we now have. Huge overseas, right? That's it. Yeah. It was because of Baywatch and he had a whole music career going on. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. Good times in the old days, bro. Good times. We had so much fun back in the early days. That's so crazy that that song was written by the CIA. That Laurel Canyon thing is really interesting because I really dismissed it at first.

2:41:23I was like, come on. Well, yeah, but the government didn't have nothing to do with the rocket roll movement. But it kind of seems like they did. What is it? Strange times in the canyon. What is that book called again? I feel that's the name. Is that it? Yeah. Something along those lines. Yeah. It's a weird book, man. Yeah. I read the book and I was like, what the fuck? Like how much of this is? You know, when in the 60s, when the agents were infiltrating Europe, it was all literature, art, music, bringing everything they could. Art especially. You know, just, and that was really at the time to make sure that.

2:41:57Yeah, inside the canyon. To make sure that the Russians didn't take over Europe, you know, there's all these, all these things that they were doing. Well, they also did it with the modern art movement. Absolutely. Like Jackson Pollock is a complete creation, which totally makes sense because I was like, who's paying for this? Help me out. Yeah. No, don't you see the way the spiders are? No, that's why we're all questioning you Joe Rogan. Yes, what USAID connections do you have? I think I skipped the system. I think some are, no, they fucked up. Look at me, my whole family's intelligence and military.

2:42:29I was a pirate radio guy in 1983. What the, they must have been like, this guy's lost. We can't, we can't, we can't use him. He'll be no good. I'm with the real cookie people, probably think you're my handler or something. Because you created podcasting. That's right. Because there is that thought that like, this is one of the things that comes up now all the time. And we talked about this on CNN. We're saying that there's a whole finance impact right wing ecosystem that's created these podcasts. Where's my check? Well, this, this is just stupidity. This is the problem where when you look at some conspiracies, you think, oh, without applies to all things.

2:43:03Yeah, no, there's actually some things that are organic. Well, some weird reason. What, what I think we'll see, you know, the first thing after the election is, we need a Joe Rogan on the left. We need a Joe Rogan. Well, you know, guys, you basically had a Joe Rogan on the left, but you were so crazy that Joe started to think right. They didn't want me. That was the thing. They didn't want you. But it's, that's all the sly op working against them because in the past, they could take someone like me and demonize them. And it would be effective and they could just remove you from the airwaves. Right.

2:43:33And then remove you as a problem because you're not playing by the rules. But now people go, oh, you know what? I think he's the one who's actually telling the truth. Let's stop listening to them. And so then CNN crashes. And then faith in mainstream media crashes and faith in podcasts rises. I think what we'll see though is, and it may come from YouTube, we'll probably see them try to hype someone up to become the Joe Rogan of the left. Oh, they're already definitely doing that. But the thing is, I don't care. Let him try. But the thing is it's not going to work unless that person's authentic because without authenticity does work.

2:44:06If you hear a person long enough, you know what the fuck they're really saying. You know, whether or not, you know, I'm wrong all the time. You might not agree with me. That's all great, but I'm not going to lie. And that's the difference. And there's a lot of these people are just propagandists. And they're also trying to make an argument for something without looking at the other side, which instantaneously I know now you're propagandizing. Now you're not, you're not, you're, now you're bullshitting me. I always try to look at the other side. I know you do. I know you do. I know you do. As a human, I think it's an important quality.

2:44:41As a person who's like broadcasting to millions of people, it's a very important quality. But it's an important quality for human beings. Like, no, why you think about something. Like, no, is this just a knee -jerk reaction? Or is this well thought out? Are you being objective? Or are you, are you captured by this ideology that you're a part of to the point where you're just ignoring? Like, this is the thing that I find fascinating about all this USAID stuff. Because there's so many people that are so against Donald Trump dismantling the organization that they're not looking at the craziness of all the propaganda that's being exposed.

2:45:16They somehow or another are gaslighting themselves and all their followers to say that no, this is aid. People are going to starve to death. There's food that's rotting. Meanwhile, they, I think I'm pretty sure even when they passed this thing where they were trying to put a stop on USAID, they gave exemptions for food and medicine. Yeah, and certain. So you're hearing these bullshit stories of food that's rotting now, people are going to go starve and everyone's dying of AIDS. Well, you have figures who people see as authority because they have a million followers and likes and then they'll believe that.

2:45:51And it typically doesn't work. I mean, it's like, you remember it works, but it works for less people. There's people that want to. They want to be lied to. They want to believe the cult. They want to drink the Kool -Aid. They want to. And that is where they've dug their heels in. And now this is where they stay. But when you see Rachel Maddow, who has come back for the first hundred days, she's doing a show every single day and she's blatantly lying. I mean, literally, like, factually, clearly lying. A lot of people won't watch anything. They've been told, Joe Rogan is part of the bro casting and the right wing conspiracy all funded by whatever to, you know, to propagandize and people are going to go over there and they're going to believe what she says.

2:46:35And I mean, I have family members who truly believe that President Trump will take away their social security. Like, he's saying quite the opposite. And by the way, he can't take it away. Only Congress can take it away. USAID, created by executive order by President Kennedy, can be shut by executive order by President Trump. That's just a fact. What they're doing is they're highlighting. There's people that are supposedly 150 years old that are getting social security. Awesome. There's some of that. There's some weird shit going on with social security. But you know what happened? I think this is what we're not being told, but I have a lot of cis admin friends.

2:47:10From what I understand, the DOGE team, four guys initially, they were in, so the Treasury is like our bank account. It's just one system and it sends payments through the Federal Reserve system. And all they needed to do, January 21st at midnight, they were in there. They got all the payments. They've had that at Mar -a -Lago. They've been, you know, because I've heard this, that they've been going through it like, hey, there's no reconciliation. There's just a payment with no purchase order or no confirmation that the work was done. I think at this point, they're just sitting back going, you know, they can release more information whenever they want.

2:47:47Department of Education is going to be next. You're going to see a lot of common core craziness. I mean, remember that common core? The Pentagon. I hope they do the State Department too, because there's a lot going on there. It's going to be interesting to see what resistance. Well, the people who are squealing are the ones you want to pay attention to. Well, that's the thing is that first of all, we were talking about this the other day. Me and my friends are saying, part of the problem is, these people can't conspire right now, because all their phones are tapped. Everybody that, for sure, if they're investigating you, if they're investigating these things, like the power that they have, it's crazy.

2:48:27The power that they have to look into people's emails, look into people's phones, find out what text messages they're sending, they can look into your signal, all that's... Pegasus, baby. Yeah, they look at everything. So the idea that they're not doing that, if they're in the middle of some fucking multi -trillion dollar investigation into rampant fraud, so they know that this is going on, so they can't conspire. And then they also have to worry about people taking deals. So there's going to be some people that squeal. Good point. And so then you don't know who's your fucking enemy and who's your friend and everywhere you talk, you go to have a lunch with someone who's wearing a fucking button camera, you could be fucked.

2:49:00And so they're not united right now. And this is why it's working. And this is why they're able to release all this information and everybody's in this hot panic right now. Yeah, so they're squeezing them. Because they have it all. And I was thinking God for James O 'Keefe too, man. He's done some interesting stuff over the years. He certainly has. Over the years, you know. He's like, gets people to... It's amazing how many guys will open up when they think they're on a date with a hot chick or a hot guy, whichever one that happens to be. And like, oh, yeah, yeah, man. Yeah, man. I'm doing all this.

2:49:32Yeah, we don't care. We just hated Trump. And you don't have like, whoa. These people, they need to learn how to shut up. I think you just got another video that he released today. Oh, yeah. There was another video today about people going around the Doge system to try to like still do the same work. Pro. Well, there wasn't there. There was an issue with... It was an overview, Joe. Yeah, it wasn't there an issue with FEMA releasing... No, it was true. Well, so FEMA paid $59 million for illegal entrance into our country for them to stay at the Roosevelt hotel. Which is double the room rate. Have you ever stayed at the Roosevelt hotel in Manhattan the day?

2:50:14And the Roosevelt hotel was... It was on by Pakistan. Yes, right. It was a dump. Everyone was smoking weed in their rooms. I mean, I was there maybe 10 years ago. And 11 years ago, I stayed at the Roosevelt hotel part of the room. It was... Oh, it was very cheap right there on 42nd Street. So they were paying double the room rate. But this wasn't... This isn't just in the United States. This has been happening all over the world. This is the South. Gigantic scam. Four federal employees were fired Tuesday over payments to reimburse New York City for hotel costs for migrants. Department of Homeland Security officials said the workers were accused of circumventing leadership to make the transactions which have been standard for years through a program that helps with costs to care for a surge in migration.

2:50:59However, officials did not give details on how the four had violated any policies. But they put a freeze on the payments. He said luxury hotels. He's kind of falling. Yeah, in quotes. So did they definitely do it? So the foreign... So I... Yeah. And it wasn't Anderson Cooper disputing it. I don't know. He was saying yesterday... Yeah, he was talking to Sununu and he called him a dick. But this will be a dick. I go to Chicago, all the hotels on the Miracle Mile are all migrant hotels. Yeah. Because it was super good money. I mean, it's crazy. But that's everywhere in the world. That's the same in Europe.

2:51:37A big hotel change. Like, you can't get a hotel room because they've got migrants for double the price. Well, this is also safe. Well, it's something that the Biden administration lied about because they said that FEMA funds were not being used. But that's what they were. I'm with President Trump that it's better, you know, when... When Helene happened, what happened there was really beautiful because everything fell down. Even the own... You know, North Carolina is their own state government. No one really was doing anything. And it was funny enough for the first time I've ever seen ham operators actually be successful.

2:52:12But, you know, the helicopter guys were all going out there. Everybody was pitching in. People were driving from all different states to come in and help people. I mean, I don't have a helicopter anymore, but I literally called up the airfield. I said, fill them up. Here's my credit card. Fill that one. Just fill them up. Fill up until, you know, until this limit that I have, fill up these... I know what it costs. You burn a lot of money in a helicopter. This was... This is how America works. It really works well when we help each other out in all kinds of circumstances. And we've become so reliant on the government.

2:52:49So reliant that, you know, Uncle Sam is going to come in and save us. And it turns out they're not really efficient at it. They're not really good at it. A lot of money gets stuck and flows to other places. We've got to come back to loving our neighbor and knowing your neighbor. How many people don't even know their neighbor anymore? This is critical. And I think you have this... You know, when Clinton was president, everything changed in America. All of a sudden, oh, that's not sexual relations. Oh, yeah, you can do that to me. Baby, that's not actually sex. You know, all these kinds of things, that sets a tone.

2:53:26It sets a cultural tone. And Trump is setting a cultural tone of, let's get this done. Let's stop getting ripped off by other people, by ourselves. And let's be successful together. And it's a short amount of time. So I hope that... I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not the case.

2:54:16The official's race to clarify that the federal money had been properly allocated by FEMA under President Biden last year, adding that it was not a disaster relief grant and had not been spent on luxury hotels. Nonetheless, just two hours after Mr. Moss Post, FEMA's acting director Cameron Hamilton announced the payments in question have all been suspended, even though most of the money had already been dispersed, and that personnel will be held accountable. But is this a recent payment, and did they put a freeze on payments? Even if the payment had been properly allocated by Biden, what I was reading is they just pulled the money out of bank accounts.

2:54:53Who did? It says Trump administration. Trump revokes $80 million from New York City after threat. I've seen this on multiple websites, but I don't know. Can you go to the title there on Daily News? Oh, sorry. You just had it there. That's right here, too. Oh, Trump revokes $80 million from New York City after threat to clawback FEMA cash used to care for my company. But it's still money to care for migrants, and they still put a freeze on that money to care for migrants. That's your constitutional crisis. Yeah. We're in a constitutional crisis because of what's happened to our country. But that seems like gaslighting to justify spending $80 million to pay for migrants, which they shouldn't have done.

2:55:35No. But it's not just that. It's fly these people there, fly them into the country, let them into the country, and then pay for them with EBT cards, with... Well, a lot of that is. ...debt cards was the economics. Yeah. I have a friend former New York banker, and he said, we always win as long as our population is growing. We will beat China long term because their population is declining. And he says, that's why the borders are open is because we need... It's just like economics. You need more people, and with more people, your economy grows one way or the other. I think it's a multifaceted argument, because I think that...

2:56:12I think there's some truth to that, but I think also they were trying to buy votes. Yeah. I mean, all of that's a part of it. Well, you saw the thing in New York where they were trying to let people who are illegals vote in regional... Yes. Yeah. That's your constitutional crisis, right? That is a constitutional crisis. Here's the thing that I hope, and I'm working to make this happen. So we have great podcasts. You know, your podcast is... Not everybody can be a Joe Rogan, and we can't just all be looking at national news. What has happened at a local level is radio stations. You know, they all got bought up.

2:56:49They're all consolidated. No one has local programming anymore. There's almost no local newspapers, even local television stations. They're all going away. Now is the time to create a podcast for your town, your bird, your city, your community. Wasn't Gavin Newsom doing that right off the election? Didn't he start a podcast? Well, I don't know about Gavin Newsom. I think he did. I think that was there I did try to combat the podcast like this. We don't need that. We need local voices. All the advertising localies been slurped up by Facebook. That's where you advertise. I've started. I've started a local thing in Fredericksburg, and people really love it.

2:57:39Oh, wait a minute. There's something going on in Fredericksburg. All they have is Fredericksburg, Rant and Raves on a Facebook page. Well, you imagine what a mess that thing is. That's crazy. That's no good. Rant's on right now. That's no good. And so I'm actually... I started a thing called Godcaster .fm. And it's tailored towards helping radio stations do this. But I think churches are content factories. And then I just all talking about Jesus and God. They're doing stuff in the community. That's what churches used to do. And they're doing stuff at the high schools. And you got kids in there.

2:58:13I want a thousand podcasts within a year all over America of local people. And it's so easy to do now. It's become so possible. And I think the local communities will even sponsor it. That's the next level. That's my phase two. That's the next level we have to get to is where people just get a microphone, talk to your city council person. You know, this is nuts. All it is is national news presented by heads on television. And who needs that nonsense? Right. You're an exception. And you're really important. But we need to have this at a local level. And it's never been a better... You want to start a podcast and be able to actually make a living out of it.

2:58:54In your local community, I guarantee people will support it. I guarantee people will want to be a part of it. And I hope that that happens. That's what I'm dedicating myself to now. That's awesome. Getting these local, hyper local podcasts. That's a great idea. I think what you're saying is all of it's hopeful. Very hopeful too. Yeah, of course. Which is great. I mean, because being cynical kind of sucks. You know, especially when this really is a very unique time of possibility. There's a lot of things that are happening right now. Yeah. It's a perfect time. And it also feels like even to the people that didn't want what Donald Trump is doing, the idea to keep going with what was happening before, where you had someone running for president that never went through the primary.

2:59:39That was a constitutional crisis. That's a real question. Right there. The soft coup against Biden. All that. That should disturb you that that didn't... Well, it should be good that that didn't work. Because that's not good for anybody. Because if they can keep doing it that way, then you never have a primary again. Well, primaries, of course, are up to the party. It's not necessarily a constitutional thing. But that should tell the Democrat people who vote Democrat and are part of... I've never been a part of a party. I'm not that interested. I vote for people. But that should tell them something like...

3:00:09Yeah. There's something bad going on here. There's some shenanigans going on. They could have had a primary. Like, what was it like in DC when you went for the inauguration? Was it just like show business for ugly people? There were a million people all over the place. Just... Yeah, it was weird. We know, I did a lot. Yeah, very weird. Because you go into... I went to a lot of these things. I went to a few of these things, like these dinners and stuff. The balls. And it's a lot of people that donated a lot of money. And so it's very transactional. And everybody's hyper aggressive to get photographs and talk to people.

3:00:41And they interject themselves into conversations, interrupt, stand right in front of people that you're talking to. And want pictures and want to introduce themselves. And it's very entitled and very transactional. And... But I think that's always been the nature of politics. Particularly with people. The reason why they were there is because they donated a substantial amount of money. A million bucks a pop in a year ago. Which is nuts. How many people have a million dollars to donate? This is crazy. Amazing, isn't it? A lot of people got a million bucks. I know. It's all like USAID money. I don't know what it is.

3:01:16But it's... Well, there are a lot of successful people in the world who have that. Who couldn't access that kind of cash. But wow. But there's a lot of hope. It was a very positive, obviously, because the winter's well there. But it was a very optimistic vibe, which felt good. And even the speech when he gave his inauguration speech, I mean, that was pretty fucking wild. I love the Black pastor from Detroit. Yeah. He was channeling MLK. He was just like going crazy. You were sitting maybe like five rows behind Hillary Clinton. Did you smell sulfur? I smelled everything. I saw Bill and made eye contact with Bill, me and Bill staring at each other for a while.

3:01:57He's larger than life, even though he's kind of frail now. And he's still... Well, it's just an imposing guy. They're in the room with you. Yeah. It's like... It's a different kind of a celebrity. I remember when I went to see the Rolling Stones, Dakota. I was blown away. I'm like, Mick Chaggers right there. Like, that's actually him. And he's dancing a button. Oh, yeah. And is this big? Yeah. Is that... He's a stick. But it's crazy. He's right. You know, he has two trailers that it brings with him that are just a gym. Oh, it doesn't surprise me. Two of his trades, it works out every day. What does he like?

3:02:3078? He's a thousand years old. And he had an open heart surgery. And I was open hearted. Yeah. He recently had heart surgery. Now, that's an amazing guy. It really truly is. Just fucking loves it, man. And they put on a fucking hell of a show. But my point is, like, that's one of those things. You're like, I can't believe that's really him. And that's what it's like when you're like looking over there. And you're like, holy shit, that's George Shelby Bush. Do you think it was the real Biden or the Daddy Long Lakes Biden? I think it was the real one. Okay. I think. Because you've seen the Daddy Long Lakes guy, right?

3:02:59He wasn't too tall. Yeah. That one guy was nuts. And he's jogging to the helicopter. I'm like, nah. Nuts. Like, I want to know this story about that. Like, is that... Is there any paperwork on who that guy actually was? I'd love that. He was not Joe Biden. That's a guy with a mask on. The mask things are real. I can tell you this from family experience. You can see them from family experiences. Yes. In 1967. Let's just leave the family members out of it. But someone brought home a colleague from work and the colleague had dinner and had coffee. And then, at dessert, the wife was sitting there and been talking to this person.

3:03:41And then, this colleague took off his mask and it was someone who the wife knew extremely well and had no idea. 1967. Whoa. So, imagine what they can do now. The stuff that that CIA lady shows on the YouTube video. Yeah. That's, I think that's just old. I mean, it's amazing. Well. 67, that stuff already existed in work. How come they couldn't get somebody Biden's height? You know, that's Tina says that too. I said, you know, they just didn't care at that point. Just like, they needed someone who had his cadence, what you think is harder to do to be kind of, you know, like that stumbling, bumbling.

3:04:17Also, like, how many people do you bring this to? Like, you know, what is that guy doing now? He needs a podcast. He's got no, he's a bottom one ocean. What gig does he have? They took that guy fishing. I hope not, but it's possible. Yeah. There's no, there's a lot of that going on. I mean, we've spotted throughout the years Hillary Clinton had, I know she had a double. There was actually women who noticed it like she's carrying her handbag on the other shoulder. There's like no woman switches that up. That never happens. And you look at her like, yeah, she does look a little different. But it's also, isn't that a mind fucked though?

3:04:53Because then you start looking at everybody like, that's not the real one. Are you Joe Rogan? Yeah. What happened? Who is it? It's pretty crazy stuff. Yeah. I hope some of that comes out too. You know, it would be great to know these things. It would be great to stop lying. Yeah. Basically, basically, you should not have a, I mean, is there some sort of national security explanation that you could give for why you would have to have a fake president? Well, I mean, holy moly, have you ever seen the Kevin Klein movie? Right. Yeah, I mean, there it is. There's your, there's your, no, no, no, no, Dave.

3:05:28Dave, Dave, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, sure. I mean, this happens all the time. These things are. Yeah. Who knows? You know, but again, season of reveal, we're learning things. We won't learn everything, but we will become a lot wiser. I'm convinced of it. And I'm excited. I am 60 years old and super excited and very bullish on the future, particularly of the United States. And I'm seeing the influence we're having in Europe. I'm seeing it. People like, we don't want this. And it's a tougher for them. Like the UK, they don't really have a first amendment like we do. Right. So it's like, you heard someone's feelings on Facebook.

3:06:07You go on to jail. I mean, so they, they got a lot of work to do. But you know, I think Germany has a shot. You know, I think the Netherlands has geared builders, France are really pushing back hard on Le Pen and, and right wing people, Victor Orban and Hungary. I mean, there's, there's, there's, at a certain point, the people will just not take it anymore. And it could get ugly over there. But they, people, people, I mean, we've had revolutions ourselves. We've been pretty good at it. Yeah. You know, of course we got guns. You know, that was a smart move, founders. Yeah, first move. First and second amendment.

3:06:44We're both the second amendment is there to protect the first as far as I'm concerned. You know, and I, I am, I'm bullish. I really, I'm, I'm excited, Joe. I am too. Oh, good. All right. Good. Well, thank you, brother. It's always great to say it with you. Joe, thanks for starting this whole thing. No, brother, thank you so much for what you do, brother. Thank you, Jamie. Appreciate you guys so much. Tell everybody where they can watch no agenda. No agenda show .net. You can't watch it. It's only a podcast. It's all the listen. Yeah, only listen. Yeah, only listen. We are too ugly. We don't want to, we don't want you to look at us and get it and get it on the modern podcast app at podcastapps .com.

3:07:21That's so you won't, we won't disappear overnight from Apple or some other platform. That's what you want. All right. Thank you, brother. Thank you so much, brother. Bye, buddy. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.