#2274 - Mike Baker

36:55No, oh yeah, yeah, and they're like super hot And so the actual trans people are very upset and get ready for this their argument is my identity is not a costume for you to wear like Wait a minute. Hold on a second hang on Because that's a real woman, bro You're already doing that with her like and like she's just got a rubber dick in her pants for money There's no there really is no I keep waiting for James to throw one up on the screen. I'm like, oh my god There's no yeah, there's no self -awareness Have the or sense of irony. So there's one lady who's like I think it's a lady I think she's a lady who's a troll and she said that she went to some country and got a crumb -a -zone change and A uterus installed and now she's pregnant and she like I just read in the comments and people are fucking going crazy Is a bunch of like sub 90 people IQ people in the comments just fucking Haven't strokes That is the best part when somebody's supposed to shoot out there and people buy it right?

38:01I don't like yeah, yeah, yeah, well I buy into some of the dumb ones. Oh, I have to send them to Jamie I Mean Jamie have to sort out what the fuck is real now. It's so hard to tell I see things from myself that aren't real I saw me Doing or I didn't see me. I heard my voice over some narration of something of some Tiktok story and I was like I never saw this I never does not mean saying this. It's all done through AI I'm like this is crazy. You're a prime case study for the impact and effects of and the sort of the The You know the the downside of AI for sure with my voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah You know, I guess now with video as well, you know if you wanted to have a podcast video of me doing something Oh, absolutely.

38:47Yeah, it's pretty wild now that I mean we have a little bit of a problem Where a bunch of people are selling like cheap things online and using my voice and we have to get them removed Okay, yeah, but that's just you know, that's his opportunists are taking advantage You know, you're selling protein powders that I've never seen before all that kind of shit right Well doing that with my voice. I mean, there's there's very few we've talked about it before this very few because the The idea was always sort of detection right? Okay, we got to create better systems to detect deep -fakes right And but now I think the focus the focus has rightly shifted from sort of the detection to more proactive protection of material right so so get it at the moment of creation um and bed The ability within the the video clip the audio clip whatever To show that you've got proof of of whatever you want to call it reality credibility authenticity And that's the way it's all going because you just can't keep up with you If all you're doing is trying to create better systems to detect deep -fakes It's a losing game.

39:51It's like it's like battling terrorists because you know You're coming up with a an IT to prevent a terrorist attack based on the last terrorist attack And they're on to something else right so it's it's an interesting world There's not that many companies out there that are doing a great job of it, but um I think it's gonna get to a point where it's impossible to tell and I think that's not far away I think we're there yeah, it's pretty close most people are curious right most people are what they don't have time Um, or they're not cynical right and so most people are willing to to look at something and go Yeah, you know, I mean unless it's just clearly bullshit For the most part if it's if it's a half decent uh fake, right?

40:30I think most people will accept it and move on. I like the ones that are They're obvious They're really good, but they're obvious fakes like to see the one with comma Harris after she lost presidency She's wearing a bikini top walking with a beer. It says unemployed. Yeah. Yeah. That's good I mean, it's obvious that it's not real. Yeah, so it's okay like the ones where Trump's playing the guitar And then there's all these other people are Putin's in the background with the drums. You see that one It's good. There's there's there's one where I haven't I don't think I've seen them one with him playing the drums But I've seen them where there's a whole series of world leaders and they're they're um They're in a ballot together.

41:05Yeah, it's fantastic Yeah, the the the one with Trump playing guitar. It's I think they're doing it's fortunate. It's on right It is right. I think it's on my it's on my Instagram, right? Credence clear one. It's so good And it's obviously fake. Yeah, that's why I like it. It's like it's not tricking me But I'm like wow, that's really right. It's I mean, it's it's interesting. I mean again talking about regulatory policy not catching up I mean, you can What do you do right? I mean like if you were in Europe, right? You could you you could be fine and jailed right for in in in case for like pushing something that's Disinformation or whatever or just or you just goofing right?

41:42Yeah, but it's goof but you can't You know, if it's an obvious it's your point if it's an obvious goof then okay You can probably get away with maybe not if you're in Germany or somewhere, but Germany's getting crazy. They are going crazy and and they weren't happy with JD Vance's speech I'll tell you that much they don't wonder why nobody in the US happy The head of the Munich security conference literally cried After the speech when when they were addressing EU leaders following the speech right talking about you know The impact and what it might have meant for us EU relations and everything literally tears being shed Over over JD Vance's speech.

42:18What was it about his speech in particular that was offensive? Well, I think what they were anticipating at the Munich security conference was he was going to come in and he was going to talk about Obviously the number one topic on the table for them was Ukraine and And you know, where are we going with that because obviously the EU leaders are now very concerned about US commitment to NATO What is a Trump administration you know planning on doing in terms of further support for Ukraine really further support for NATO they look into distance themselves And Vance instead came in and didn't really focus on any of that shit He turned it on onto the European Union into EU countries in the UK and UK in particular talking about how You know their biggest threat isn't necessarily Russia or China their biggest threat is what they're doing to themselves In terms of suppressing free speech from all the various groups out there including conservative groups of far left whatever Determining that you know this this type of speech is illegal.

43:17We're going to pursue you. We're going to find you. We're going to jail you Armed raids against people that are you know pushing content online So he made the anti immigrant content anti immigrant content right but to be fair right? I mean Most of Europe at this point is pretty fed up with the immigration policies that they're leaders Which is why they want to suppress the the descent online exactly Doing it because they genuinely think this is a moral and ethical thing to do Doing it because they sense an uprising. Yeah, and and they rightly should look all off shults the German Chancellor He's not getting reelected their election is coming up here and shortly.

43:51Yeah, and So he's not it's not going to happen for him So I think yeah, they're rightly with not rightly, but they are concerned about Their own political power that's that's what it is and that's what people need to understand It's not that the Europeans are the kinder more progressive No, this is like they understand that it's coming. Yeah, and they want to do everything they can to stop it because most people are fed up Most people just want to be left to fuck alone Yeah, and if you tell them that they can't put a flag meme on one of their Facebook pages or they get arrested, which is what happened in Germany.

44:26Yeah, yeah, we talk about it So if you talk about the immigration problem and you say look we got to stop this we got to you know, maybe secure borders If you talk about the Ukraine war and say I don't think we should be supporting You know dumping more resource into Ukraine All those things or reproductive rights if you're on the wrong side of that from a European perspective You know, they're coming after you and so that's what JD Vance came after he turned the tables on them And focus on that and that was A it was completely unexpected and B I think you know the reality of it the fact that it's truthful I think upset a lot of them.

44:59He's truthful and it also appeals to their citizens That's the thing. The citizens say this is the way we want our government to talk Yeah, and I think it's funny because a lot of people on You know, there's a lot of people on social media right now. Oh my god You don't realize how hated you know, you are now as Americans in the US is so hated I think like I spent most of my time overseas, right and most people are going Yes, seems like it's common sense you guys who finally coming around right and so I I don't think they're going to win the argument that somehow the US is more hated Look, we've been hated in a variety of locations.

45:32We're definitely hated in Canada right now. Oh, yes, they're hard to game It's they were booing the national anthem so hard. Oh, they're getting three fights in the first nine minutes Yeah, yeah, and then we kick Canada's ass hard Canada in Canada Not good because that's their fucking sport. It is a poor only shot at beat and I said anything. Yeah, well curling curling They might be able to win at that. Yeah, if we practice it we'd be better at that too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like they make great mixed martial arts fighters One of the greatest of all time George C. M. Pierce from Canada. Yeah, yeah, but after that Let me think get your football team come fuck with America.

46:06I think I'm trying to think about the things that I could throw out there Maybe baseball they good. Yeah, Blue Joe is really good. Moulson. Yeah, they have strong beer. Yeah, they have great people I love Canada. I love the black one. Yeah, I just they they're too nice and they let communists run their country Yeah, and that guy's a communist. Well, it is it is one of those moments where you think okay I understand I get your point, you know, they talk about turning Canada to a 51st day. That's a little crazy It's a little crazy. He's serious. He told me on the phone. He was serious. Yeah, well first I was joking around But I was thinking maybe it's not a bad idea Ha ha ha ha now I think he keeps talking him to a first time as governor Trudeau.

46:45It's so funny You know what I love is is They I was just out of the Middle East for some some things including the the amazing trek with the guys from the SF club and um It was it right during the period of time when uh president trump announced his idea during that press conference with Netanyahu About look we're gonna we're gonna own the US is gonna own Gaza, do you see look on Netanyahu's face when he was saying yes, which was priceless? Why in the fuck? I know and now I get into and now you know what they're all doing the Israeli cabinet is fully on board with the idea in part because I think they understand that okay, look this is probably not gonna happen, but if we take this position Right, it's it's going to create Chaos it's gonna create some movement right and maybe that leads to something of interest and I think when I'm being out in the middle east when that idea came out and hearing some of the responses from people out there was was amazing But what I what I like about it look you're not gonna move 2 .3 million Palestinians out of Gaza right because None of the Arab states want them their Egyptians have fought against this idea for years and years and years That's a good point and some that maybe a lot of people aren't aware of is that uh the wall on the side of Egypt is way bigger than the wall on the side of Israel Yeah, that that is an impenetrable wall that's heavily guarded They do don't want Palestinians coming in Egypt, which is kind of crazy Well, it's it from their perspective look it's it's a security issue and there's there's a lot of Palestinian refugees in Jordan So it's not like Jordan hasn't tried to do their part But they also what are they gonna do absorb another million 2 million Palestinians now so the the problem from from an operational perspective is It's unlikely to To happen right and also do you really want the US buying and owning Gaza right and then being out there you think that you think that the cost of of supporting Ukraine is high Wait to see what the cost of not only the reconstruction But the security of the reconstruction right what that's going to mean you think that you think there was a boon and private security Contractors during the Iraq incursions This will be you know this will make that look like nothing right So they got to guard their investments so they exactly so the costs involved the potential for you know just never ending Holy trouble, but but what I do like about it is look now that The Arab states are responding by having a summit right they're having a summit the end of this month And they've already they've been having little mini discussions amongst themselves, but but all the key players in the area are now meeting to discuss What's an alternative right what what is the way to make this happen and You know it's not going to be by the US owning it and building the Riviera right or series of casinos, but The Arab states are are having to react and there and so what that means is nothing's worked beforehand Right nothing entirely to two state, you know option Other security agreements peace agreements that have held for some period of time and then fall in a part none of that shit's worked So I think The sort of the disruptive aspect of sometimes of what trump does even though you may look at the idea on the surface and go It's like my work you have these other effects, right?

50:00So now you've got the Arab states having to respond coming up with these ideas They're already over the past couple of days saying well Hamas can't play a role If you would said that a year ago Egypt and Qatar and some of these other Arab states out there would have gotten on board with the idea that Hamas has got to go That wouldn't happen right. I mean before the seven october attacks They're also talking about Rebuilding it themselves. They're like well, we'll do it. We'll do it. Just back off We'll do it. We'll take care of it which is great and that's when they have to say Hamas can't be a part of it Right that's because they know what the problem is and then they they haven't been willing to admit it before but because The trump administration just thrown stuff at the wall right to see what sticks They've got to respond and so now they're they're they're coming up with these ideas look Hamas You know they they are a shell of what they were right But they're still supported by the Iranian regime which is a big problem right and and the Iranian regime You know, do you think they they don't want peace?

51:01They don't want stability right that that's not in the books One of the benefits from their perspective of the seven october attacks was that it it completely scuttled the The normalization talks that we're going on between Saudi and Israel and the us at the time so You know, they're gonna they're gonna continue to be a problem But Hamas you know is is now Kind of on its back foot The Palestinian Authority is is saying well we'll come in and we'll govern Gaza Well, the Israelis are saying no, no, that's not gonna happen either because you guys are you know pees and a pod right and and you know um Palestinian Authority has a program where they actually pay the families of people who kill Israelis right What's it's called a pay to slay program really yeah, oh, yeah, that's it's called yeah pay to slay how much you get paid You know what I'm not sure what the going rate is now, but um, you know for out there it's you know, it's it's it's a it's a payment ongoing payments to families who have family members who have attacked wounded or killed Israelis and so you know That plus you know other ties between Hamas and in the PA and look there's been animosity obviously Hamas drove the Palestinian Authority out of Gaza years ago But you know, they Israeli see it as is the same and so you know my point being is the Arab states are now reacting and You could end up with something that actually works as opposed to all the bullshit in the past that never did work and always and Continue to you know provide nothing for the Palestinian people and if you know if you say look all this is about is We want the Palestinians to live a better life Then you should want new ideas thrown at the wall right and you should want something that eventually is going to work And from a US perspective you should want something where the Arab states actually take it on board themselves The also though there's also a problem with the reality of the region at this point right It's like what do you want to happen to that area because someone has to rebuild it That it look absolutely Israel shouldn't have done what they did and And kill who knows how many innocent people and literally destroy most of the buildings there We all can agree that's a horrible thing, but it's done.

53:12So now what Yeah, and we can also agree that It was not look yeah, I agree Um, it was a very aggressive action I would argue that the US would engage in that same aggressive action if we had had a proportionate you know attack from Mexico. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So or Canada right Goddamn Canadians They're plotting something. I just know it so if if if uh You know, so so that's true, but again, it was a war that Hamas started right they you know I think you have to go back to the beginning of this one and yes There's fault on both sides of course, but you know Hamas now at times has been acting like the aggrieved party It's it's fuck around and find out in the worst way possible.

53:56Yeah, that's what it is I mean they gave Israel the green light to just go ham and now when you see the over Had drone footage of what gaz looks like now. It's hard to even believe it. It's real It's everything's gone. Yeah, which is which I get it. I mean from a real state developer's perspective I'm sure he's seen overhead imagery Right It looks like a demolition site. So let's let's clear it out the real question is if that doesn't okay then what then if you don't want that to happen then what if the United States doesn't take it over or or who who should and what do you do with it and how do you get the money to rebuild it and where does it come from and how do you do it who who do you bring in to rebuild it who governs it how does that work Who gets what building how does it work?

54:43Yeah, you know It's a very complicated thing when you destroy an entire fucking city. Yeah, which is a set See if you can find some of that overhead footage And when yeah, when you're talking about you know moving out 2 .3 million people to other areas But I look I think again the answer is that the the Arab states have to take this on right They finally have to address this issue. They've used the palace as some of them have used a Palestinian issue to their own devices As without doing anything to their benefit of the Palestinians look at this footage This is unbelievable. I mean this looks like they got hit with an asteroid.

55:17Yeah, it's unbelievable the scope of it It's just insane. Yeah, it's insane to say Yeah Dave Smith had a very good take on this he was on one of those Pierce Morgan Everybody yells at everybody panels Which are really fun for about five minutes So let me Send Jamie what Dave said because Dave had in my opinion the best take on this Where it's like you see you like okay. Yeah That's that's correct. This is a This is the way to look at it I think yeah, it's it's look it's again. I think you unless I don't know who would be on board Um Take take it from you know, they beyond this sort of the initial sentence of the own US will take ownership Oh, here we go.

56:09I'm guessing if this is it. I don't know if I Is that Dean Kane on the right? No, yeah, it is yes, it is super man I don't know if this is the right rant. I just isn't I didn't click it from you. I'll get the one you send if you just yeah click the one I sent It might is probably the same one I So sometimes I love these Pierce Morgan panels. He never know who you got to show up in one of those boxes And it's a bizarre mix of people Okay Yes, it's just like the commentary for Wimbledon where we just don't say anything Pictures of Gaza are you telling me there was Hamas there were Hamas missiles in every single one of those buildings that That's the entirety of the story is that Israel just had to blow up this building which by the way still I don't think would be morally justified But like come on man look like it's just again, even to Dean's point I always find this fascinating because somehow Americans could say this about the people in Hamas and go like You know like you said yeah, I wouldn't like to be kicked out of my neighborhood But if my if my government had done October 7th, I'd accept it your government dean Destroyed a rack Afghanistan Libya Syria Somalia Yemen the drone bombing campaign in Pakistan So like what are you can you get kicked out of your house now?

57:26Is it not ethnic cleansing if we were to kick you out of your neighborhood? This is so ridiculous that we impose these standards on these poor people that we would never dream of holding ourselves to that standard It's just it logically makes absolutely no sense and it doesn't really matter What Hamas is approval rating is in the same way that it doesn't matter that George W. Bush had record high approval ratings That doesn't mean that the innocent civilians of the United States of America are fair game and neither should any other group of civilians Perfectly said yeah, yeah, no, I mean look if you could do surgical strikes and do nothing but kill Hamas terrorists great, yeah But you know That's not the real world day, you know Dave's talking about a world that we don't exist in right?

58:09I would argue like and that's this is where we Would differ I like Dave Smith a lot and I think he's incredibly intelligent But you know we fundamentally look at things sometimes in a different world view because of our experiences right and my experience has been dealing with a lot of hostile Actors who you know you may look at and think okay, well can't we just I don't say we'll get along but they exist and we exist and do we really There that's not the world we work in right and urban combat is really ugly It's not dismissing you know the the horrific nature of it and the fact that yeah sure in a perfect world It's morally repugnant and it is you know, but It's the world that we live in so I think okay on one hand I I get what he's saying and I and I don't disagree On that moral side of things, but you know from my background.

58:59I don't tend to live in that world I tend to live in sort of the operational side of things and you know Sometimes you have to do things that are not good, but even as extreme as that well. Yeah, that's the thing So yeah, oh I know and and and I don't disagree and they have They they went above and beyond just right out about it But to my point and I think to kind of what he was saying look we you know if we did after 9 -11 I know we we went above and beyond in front of a portion at standpoint and we felt certainly justified in doing it right We did I mean we did them the America finally came together as a group right as opposed to the cuz of the partisan Way that we live now, but um But we were justified based on a lie which is even crazy because they use that justification and went after a group of people that had nothing to do with it Based on a lie of weapons and mass destruction.

59:51Yeah, which is even crazier right going to a completely different country Yeah, well, I think Hamas also You know these these are disjointed statements and I'm not really tying all together very well at all, but um But you know, there's also this element that Hamas doesn't give a shit about the Palestinian citizens right the civilians I mean and You know if they did they wouldn't conduct their their operations or methodology would be different All right, they wouldn't they wouldn't bury themselves in their operations and their command centers and Everything that they do right there their depots their missile weapons supplied centers within the public Environment right they they just wouldn't right well, they probably never expected this Um, yeah, I don't know.

1:00:36I don't there's no way they would have done October 7th if they expected this response well There's no way that they were on in regime. I think would have allowed them to do this if they if they anticipated They would get this sort of response. So I think you're right um But I you know and again, I you know this is this is the problem people that people only hear what they want to hear Right so they hear they hear me say from an operational perspective I kind of I understand that they had an aggressive response and yet, but then they stop listening right so what I'm saying is it was it over the top Well, yes, it was over the top and could they have been more surgical about this?

1:01:07Well, yes, they certainly could have Um, could they have prevented some lawson civilian life? Well, yes What would have that been a difficult would yes? Why because Hamas puts themselves in the center of civilian life there They know this is what's gonna happen. This is their currency dead Palestinians Yeah, that drives their narrative and they always know it's going to turn Against the Israelis as we're having these discussions That's what happens and they've got enough of a track record to know that's what's gonna happen So they use it to their advantage, but you know again, it doesn't excuse the killing I keep coming back to that same thing you could have you know Disparate multiple you know thoughts in your head at the same time right you can feel bad about that And at the same time you can go yeah It was fucked up what they did on 7 October you're going to go after Hamas And then what you're gonna find is the urban combat is really really Fucking ugly right and you're gonna have casualties that you're really really regret having Um, were there more than then needed I would say yes They didn't need the extent of their response, but I understand their mindset for for why they went so hard at for Hamas This is decades and decades you know built up saying no more right we can't put up with this anymore now again the problem is You know the problem is not that it's not really Hamas I keep coming back to the same thing the problem is the the instigator all this trouble the instigator of the vast majority of of Of chaos and instability and violence and death in that region is the Iranian regime most Arab states will agree to that Maybe not the humanities right um You know, but Most of those Arab states are not going to be sad to see the Iranian regime fall for this very reason Everybody wants a better life right however they perceive it The Iranian regime you know the mullis and the rgc You know, they've got a stated objective and they are pursuing that as long as those people are in charge Right You know ultimately we're not going to get a big sea change here We're not going to get a huge shift and in the way things go But if you want a better life then you got to look to that to the whatever you want to call it to head of the snake or the you know The top of the mountain there they are the Iranian regime driving a lot of this chaos So anyway, I'm getting away from the point, but I don't disagree with Dave I always like a lot of the things that he says I just think that we come at it sometimes from a much different perspective.

1:03:24I don't tend to believe that the world is full of Of Good actors who are just trying to create a community nation's perspective either. I don't I well yeah Yeah, I'm not putting it I'm not putting it well, but I think what I mean is that there's It's not What I was having a conversation the other day and it was about It was about US involvement in a variety of groups activities associations over the years looking to topple governments looking to change, you know The direction of a of a government like you know all the nefarious things at the CIA was been accused of over the years and And I was like well God damn what what what did you expect of course that's what we're doing right of course we're of course we're trying to influence hearts and minds Of course we're infiltrating organizations to try to influence the direction of a government that you know You go all the way back to the Cold War right we're convinced the Russians or the Soviets were gonna blow us to hell right Of course we're gonna be doing a variety of things you want a government over there.

1:04:30It's more friendly to you Okay, how are we gonna go about doing that right if that means V .O .A. or Voice of America or that means Infiltrating some organizations that's gonna try to win them. Yeah, so you know, is that morally repugnant? I don't know You know you think it's necessary. I think there's there's it. I think it's understandable and I think also So imagine a world without that. Yeah, so if that is a vacuum and We stop doing that entirely altogether. Mm -hmm. Does that vacuum get filled up by another power? Yeah Yeah, that's yeah, that's the problem. That's the problem Is that we don't live in a world of benign nations who like if we're not the police you know at the top of the food chain Nobody needs to be there someone's gonna fill that that gap and they're and you know what um Maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong.

1:05:19Yeah, but I've been around a long time and I've spent most of it overseas and unusual places Um, we make a lot of mistakes as a country. It's a human endeavor But we do try to correct and it can take time right it can take a lot of time We make a lot of mistakes of course we do but I've seen a lot of Players out there and I'd rather have us and our allies Trying to direct traffic rather than some of the hostile actors that are out there because this is the best case scenario perspective Worst case scenarios perspective is that these policy changes That we are initiating and that we are influencing is for Corporations to make more money is to control resources and to control areas and to make things friendlier for business That's the worst case scenario as this is done.

1:06:10Well, that's a mercenary fashion. Yeah, but is that but that's what that's what is that Chinese That's what I would have. Yeah, but here's my question. Yeah, just what happens Like when you do have the ability to control other regimes. Isn't it Almost It doesn't it almost logical that you are you're gonna need a lot of money and you're gonna need a lot of influence to do that And so there's gonna be a bunch of people to say actually We could use some of those minerals Actually, you know that natural gas is very valuable right actually if we could destabilize rushes energy systems and you know pump up Ukraine's and control it That'd be pretty good and so then We started initiating things and we start the coup in Ukraine in 2014 and a bunch of different things We started helping things along that would benefit us both Geopolitically but also geopolitically in a sense that like you're controlling the geology in the land Which is the real term geopolitical right?

1:07:10Yeah, that's the real term right doesn't it have to do with uh Like controlling regions well, I'm sure yeah, and I think that it's Uh, yeah, you're talking about national self -interest right I think in in the world that we actually live in Every country is acting in its own self -interest. So then it's also an emotional self -interest that's kind of prostituted by corporations This is what people are worried about is that we engage in certain activity that's avoidable simply for profit Yes, absolutely. I don't think it's down about that. I think look Just what happens when you have a system like this right when you can influence foreign governments And you do have enormous amounts of resources And you do have the ability to change things and install a government that's more friendly to but if you're if you're not going to do that Let me go back to okay, I'll go to the coldwood because that's probably our best example of okay of what happens when you get because you actually had it Wasn't just a unipolar world that you had you had the Soviets and you had the US um Yes, there there was there was concern over um, you know life itself.

1:08:23There was this there was this You know concern over mutual destruction um, but there was concern over influence. So the Soviets were busy in a variety of places. Let's pick Africa right so in the mid -late fifties right as um Africa was moving you know Clearly strongly away from colonialism right and independent states started You know sprouting up Then There was this concern over well, okay, the old colonial era is gone right the Belgium's not gonna own the Congo As an example the Congo is rich in resources, right Uranium cobalt you know diamonds obviously, but let's let's take uranium um The Belgians were running Congo when we were developing the bomb and Almost all that uranium came from the Congo right so That's a good example of the US looking and saying okay Yes, the the the Belgians, you know good um Stewards of of the Congo.

1:09:34Well, no, right? They were enslaving people and having them work in the uranium mines We were taking that uranium and using it to build the bomb the main hand project um Now all those years later. I mean the Congo you know Realized its independence, you know patrice limonbo and all the rest of that history, but um Now the Congo is is wrapped up in conflict still why is it still in conflict because of its minerals cobalt now is the key right? I mean uranium you can get from a variety of places australia and elsewhere Kazakhstan and Variety of other locations, but cobalt they've got maybe 60 percent don't quote me on that, but I think it's about that of the world's cobalt supplies What do you need cobalt for well electric vehicles batteries?

1:10:18Yeah, so Now the eastern Congo is still in conflict that place is a mess so If it's not deep or is that this is like the second or third poorest country in the world and isn't most of those mines they control by China Well, and all of them are controlling the eastern side by militias, right Congo has been a difficult place for everybody to try to wrap up licensing agreements, right? But um You know you've got 100 plus militias out there vying from control Because it's money, right? And and so I guess my point is is Um, I mean, and I'm you know, it's good you brought up China because yes They've been busy trying to lock up a variety of locations in terms of critical minerals and they've got a monopoly on refining Those minerals At essentially at this point in time, but um, I just think it's it's I get yeah, I'm maybe what I'm surprised by because I'm so fucking cynical is You know, the idea when when when you say you know, it's it's corporate interests its government interest It's self -interest of a nation, you know to pursue and do these things I'll be honest with you.

1:11:27I look at and go well, yeah, of course it is I I don't know any other world, right? I don't know that we we we're not gonna walk that dog back over You know a couple thousand years, you know people that do the same fucking thing all human existence I would argue right so I just kind of look at it and I and I you know Maybe because I'm not wired that way. I don't sit around and go that's fucking wrong. We have to rail against this Yeah, I'm a very simple person. So I look at yeah, that's how it works and God damn right. I'd rather be on the top of the heap than you know, not and You know as long as word So this is like a pragmatic perspective I guess in your experience overseas and You're understanding of how these things are done is that if we don't do something if we don't act in some way to Influence these governments and control these regions and do whatever we can to Make sure that our interests are being That we that we are the ones that are kind of directing the way things go right I would rather be directing how things are going than not and And those are the two options those I think those the two options because we're not gonna live as a community of nations What do we have to I mean you know hold hands and and say okay?

1:12:42Everybody's gonna live as a collective right? Right? You know So I you know I know that You know I this all I'm sure there's all sorts of flaws in the way that I'm thinking but I'm a very civil person when I was in operations you tell me what to do. I'll do it Right, I never sat around and got angsty about anything because I just didn't see any point in it Um, and so again pragmatic. Yeah, yeah, we're just being a douchebag Well, there's a lot of people listening to probably come to that conclusion. Yes. I think you're right Yeah, this this is the reality of that job right and this is the reality of International relations.

1:13:23Yeah, yeah I just you know and and look I'll tell I tell you something look um, there are people Over the years I think you know the CIA leadership at times over the years. I'm talking you know You know all the way back to World War II and you know beyond certainly during the Cold War Alan Dulles is a good example of that where you know, they legitimately would sit around and say well I you know as far as I know we're not in the business of over throwing countries You know and you think like well that's bullshit of course Of course, that's what you know, we're trying to do we're trying to influence countries because we want them on our side We want to create friendly governments that yes will be beneficial to our national security our economic interests all those things So I've always been puzzled also by by people who try to minimize that in a sense, right?

1:14:08I mean, you know, if you're doing something then god damn it maybe own up to it. It's like um Uh, John Brennan who was a director at the agency, right? He's he's a really relatively well -known former CIA official for handful of reasons he was very Tighten the Obama administration But he said one time uh forget what you're was but anyway he talked about the business of the CIA says we don't steal secrets God damn it. Of course we steal secrets. That's the point of the exercise, right? You think the the FSB or the Chinese intel apparatus isn't stealing secrets What the fuck and why was he saying that?

1:14:42Oh, you try and you know, it's a kind of general nation, right? He's trying to like sugarcoat and the you know, that It's that was a laughable statement, right? Well, why would you say something that's objectively true? I have no idea. Well, I mean because again, if you get up to be false, I should say maybe it's the world you want to live in You know, instead of the one that we actually do have right when you're doing it publicly. That's not what you're doing It's a PR exercise. It's a PR exercise. Yeah, kind of pretending that we're different than what we are Yeah, or you're trying to or you're trying to convince yourself Who knows?

1:15:11I don't I don't understand the thinking. I just know what he said But I think it's it's an interesting comment from you know the director of an intelligence organization You know that uh is in the business of Secret so I'm sure you you've seen Mike Benz take on USAid and what USAid was really all about and his perspective is that it's for everything There's too dirty for the CIA. He's saying USAid Um, do you think there can be a Rational argument though that a lot of these things that seem ridiculous like sending all this money to influence the votes in Pakistan or in India And then we look at it like why are we spending 21 million dollars on education here and to two million dollars there and That these things are actually beneficial to the United States as a whole because even though we're spending exorbitant amounts of money The results we're getting is we are Maintaining peace by being in control of certain areas where someone else would come over And then you'd get a regime that's not friendly to our interests Yeah, yeah look I mean USAID Traditionally, I think they were set up what during the Kennedy administration as a You know as an independent organization right because at the time I think that the thinking was and they're not the only one that set up as an independent agency But you know at the time the thinking was we don't want it to be seen as like the US administration is Picking and choosing and driving sort of where the money's going which again Is you know is kind of a strange way of doing things right?

1:16:44It's coming from the fucking US government right so People aren't going to parse words or discern somehow that okay well it's an independent agency So I guess it's not really what the administration wants. It's what the USAID wants so you know is it You know were were dollars going into programs That the the the idea was can we Can we turn this country around can we change you know is it is who is who's in charge is it Lamumba is it's who car No, is it you know got to pick any number of folks during that period of time and and create a government That's more friendly to our interests Again, I look at that and go Yeah, is USAID also projecting whatever they call it soft power Diplomatic power will sure and that's another way of phrasing it I suppose Um where they also doing things like feeding the poor providing you know medicines out there doing doing actually You know legitimate things that I think sometimes people would have in a righteous world are like well That's exactly what they should be doing well.

1:17:43Yeah, they should be doing that We should be you know the USAID has got a lot of important programs that they run right that actually help people around the world who don't have Many options so I think what the perspective of this administration as stated is that they're going to review all these programs and keep the useful ones Yes, I think they're going to run it through the state department right so they're gonna run it Yeah, they're gonna slim it down. They've already started It'll be run through the state department great idea right take off that very don't don't pretend I mean this it's a US Government agency what do you have that people are going to assume?

1:18:18Some people will assume the worst no matter what right But yeah, if I'm again under the same theory that you what you do is you go in and you say We're gonna go through every program We're gonna keep the ones that are important Um, and I would argue that's that's food aid health aid you know whatever it may be um And and you know shit can all those others then I you know being really helpful You mean like the 251 million dollars on transgender animal studies Yeah, is that helpful or not? I'm You know, they have to figure out how to do those operations Yeah, no, I think I think that yet so there's is there a waste in their courses waste And are there programs in there that were designed so it's the baby with the bath water?

1:19:01Is that what it is? Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, that's that's the point is I think going in there and calling it all waste and fraud and In a criminal organization, I think is not the right messaging I think that the the American public would be fully on board if you simply said we're again We're going through we're gonna find the waste. We're gonna you know We're gonna focus on those those programs that help people around the world legitimately Um, but I think the problem is the people that are opposed to this administration are never gonna see the good in anything that comes out Even if it does uncover Undeniable fraud.

1:19:34Yeah, I think we're just so dug in now especially the the fog of war post -election Which seems real in this country this this fog of hate on both sides Gloting on the right yeah and bitterness and anger and You know hyperbole as to like the extent of what's happening on the left. It's all you know a constitutional crisis and a destruction of democracy in a real dictator that's in place and All the things that they feared coming into this election now come to light in their eyes. Yeah No, I again, I yeah that's and that is the messaging that's going out you can see them coalesce around it You know, I think the first weeks after the election there was confusion and and you know Sort of a they were going through that grief cycle on the on the left Uh, but now I think you're seeing that they are you know coming together on that messaging I think they're now they're starting to get more focused.

1:20:26They probably understand they'll probably take the house and in Two years Um, so they're getting their their shit together again but um, I I think that you know and on the right side. I think you know you'd like to think that you know the gloating It is uh is a bit unnecessary, right? You want focus on on getting shit done now Not only is it an honest or it's counterproductive. It's counterproductive. Yeah, and it it just fuels the other side Yeah, stupid It's like this should be a nighting time for our country. Well you again you and you would think that Uh, creating a more efficient government would be a uniting concept right and I think it could be But I keep going back to that same thing I've never been particularly impressed with the messaging and I get it when I say that people always you know on the right Come after me and go oh god, well that's what makes mage mage You know, that's what makes you know trump trump is you know just and and and I don't disagree with sort of again The benefits sometimes of being disruptive, but I do think that you know you you can't just look at USAID And say it's all it's a big old criminal organization, right?

1:21:29You you should be a little bit more I mean Kevin O 'Leary you mentioned him earlier You know For all that talk I guarantee you if he was you know if he had a large company He wouldn't just shit can everything right off the bat. I know he you know, maybe that's his implication I think he's talking about yeah failing companies failing companies When you take over a failing company that's filled with bloat and waste you cut More out than even you think is necessary and then you figure out what you need But he would go through there would be a thoughtful initial Review phase in a corporate environment I think I would argue that that even he would do that He's not just gonna pull the pin and throw it in the room and say okay now.

1:22:06Let's see what we actually need Well, isn't what this administration has done is putting a pause on everything And then and then they're Doing an audit of things and then a review But that's not the way it comes across because in part because the media is not like you said They're not gonna give him a break right So even if they said that that's what we're doing and here's what how we're doing it Here are the people on the transition team You know who are the people on on Elon's Doge team right? I mean can you name half a dozen of them big balls big balls Okay, I'm fair enough. There's big balls.

1:22:36Yeah, this kid who deciphered those scrolls from Pompeii using AI Yeah, genius I mean, they're very it's very interesting because the approach is essentially He's mimicking the approach that Elon used at Twitter. Mm -hmm. Just your you're saying okay I'm gonna cut out 90 % of this and see how it works. Yeah, I just think that um And and again You know you got to go after the waste the fraud is there blow to corset blow in the government go after your perspective is that of course There's waste the corset's fraud but if you don't understand international relations if you don't understand the this Long tradition of supporting regimes that Have our interests in mind if we don't do that someone else will They'll gain control of these areas.

1:23:26This is just the reality of the world that we live in and we should be influencing other countries Yeah, that's a lot better than I could say it um, but yeah, that is that that's what I'm saying on on the international front on the domestic front I'm just saying um, you know You know go through all these organizations, right? But You know Don't don't give the other side the ammunition to say you guys are you're you're firing useful people right? Here this all the time now in the past few weeks is like it's like oh my god They they let this entire group of people who are going working on women's health issues and you know And they're just they're they're giving them Um ammunition that they don't need to by virtue of the way that they're they're going about it and again Go about it do it That all so all I'm saying is it's it's it's the means of which they're doing it You can accomplish the same task and you can accomplish it quickly, right?

1:24:20It's not like your reveal process How could you review us aid while this is all going on while they're still able to spend money because they're still able to if there is Corruption if they're still able to dump a bunch of money into a bunch of different projects and funnel stuff around and move stuff into This these areas where it can't be traced which is apparently where at least some of it goes. Yeah I would want look if you're doing a if you're doing a corporate Fraud investigation, you know walk in and say it's fraud everywhere here, right? Where everybody's going No, you don't you you go in and you do your investigation because You don't know what the the iceberg looks like you don't know what's underneath the surface So you want to be able to go through it in a methodical way and you know If you walk into the world bank and say we think there's fraud here in this in this department over here, right?

1:25:07And the world bank isn't just as an aside They have to if they think there's fraud somewhere they have to notify the people that they suspect of fraud that they're going to initiate a fraud investigation before they do it Right How fucked up is that pretty pretty crazy. So um, so anyway, that's a long time. Give them lots of so you know, I don't know You know again, I I respect the fact that they're they're actually making the effort. I think that's great. I just I'm not sure that it's You know, there's an immovable Object in Washington DC made up of lobbyists defense contractors Um Self -interested politicians, right?

1:25:47They're all like you know like this right and and doge's obviously you know bumping up against them particularly when they start now talking about Pentagon spending So I guess my point is it's it's complex I don't know that that blown it up and then say we're going to rebuild it It's like when cash patell or anyone else you know for an organization. They talk about the FBI. Let's get raised The ground and start over What you got thousands and thousands of hardworking street agents out there doing very important work, right? You can't you can't just say Okay, you know, we're we're suspending 30 % of them right you gotta go through and say okay.

1:26:24Well where is the problem here? And is there enough time to do that? I think I did well. This is the question. Yeah. How Is this a more time effective way of confronting the reality of what they're trying to accomplish which is government efficiency right department of government efficiency We don't believe that the government is efficient. We do see that there's at least some waste and some fraud But it's not being chased down. They're gonna chase it down. Yeah. Well, I think I would argue that you know They're gonna find this is a years -long process anyway no matter how much of a of a you know jump they get at the at the starting block, you know, but I think that Mike best thinks it's gonna take 50 60 years Yeah, I think he's right, right?

1:27:06I mean I love okay. I don't think it's gonna take that long I think if you're persistent about it and I think your your timeline is that you mentioned the midterms That would be my focus right? I want to get it well done before the midterm elections, right? Because I'm be concerned about losing the house So you've got that runway to work with then then go but don't feel like you got I get it done in the first four weeks So there's a lot of messaging that you hear online that you know, you got to kind of decipher and one of them is The price of eggs for whatever reason the price of eggs is a big one that gets bandied about People need to understand what the price of eggs is all about Well one of the things is they killed a lot of chickens during the Biden administration because of this this bird flu thing So they they killed millions of chickens Because the fear is that these chickens are gonna it's gonna hop over to people and right now I think it's only in geese and ducks.

1:28:02Is that correct? Did it move to did it move to cattle? I think it has in some cases moved cattle. Yeah But the question is like what what what happens? Is that treatable within a biotics? Is this overblown? Like what is the actual reality of this pandemic? So to speak or this is why egg prices are so high, but then Unfortunately, it becomes a political talking point So it's hard to get to the bottom of it because you're just trying to use it to cast blame So they're trying to blame this administration on the price of eggs They're fucking up regular people are gonna starve and you know, yeah, yeah, look to he's been in office for 23 days egg prices haven't come down You guys were lied to and you think well guess what takes a long time for a chicken to be able to grow from a chick to an egg It takes months.

1:28:50Yeah, yeah, so you're not gonna get any Discount in eggs anytime soon if they killed millions of chickens, which they definitely did. Oh, no, it's you know, remember the old Mad cow disease Years and years ago. Sure. I know England had a big problem with that. Yeah, yeah beef prices I had a buddy minor went to England and was living over there During the mad cow crisis and to this day he can't give blood Because it's a pre on disease. Okay, the idea is that if he does have it What is it called? Yuckel's crux -feld disease? I always fuck that up But what that disease that pre on disease is is from cattle eating cattle brain tissue Which is so crispy sheep's brains.

1:29:32Yeah, yeah, somebody at some point thought you know what we could do with all these Sheep parts as we could feed them to the cows. Yeah, I know I And then the cows eat them and get the pre on disease and then they're fucked yeah the same thing which by the way happens to cannibals It's the same thing with the papa new guinea and the cannibals get that same sort of Problem where they're the neurological with their body breaks down Good god. Yeah, good god. Yeah, he the story about a Rockefeller's kid One of the was it nephew was a nephew that got killed and eaten by the yeah, he went over there To live amongst them.

1:30:09I think he went twice And apparently the first time he went and salted them by trying to acquire one of their secret things and The second time he went back they decided to eat him And they didn't find out about it for a long time. I think you went missing in the 60s. Yeah, we covered it jamby Do you remember what year it was? I think he went missing in 60s story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it was there was debate over whether he was actually killed and eaten by the Cannibals or not and now their pressure he was yeah, and at least that's what they're saying. Who goes back a second time You piss him off once and you gotta waste them off.

1:30:44Oh, okay, he felt like you know They just couldn't come doing agreement on whether or not he could take home whatever Sacred object he was trying to get from them. I forget what it was But it was something that they would never sell or trade and he was insisting on it and they're like oh fuck this guy And then I think they had some time to stew on it. Yeah It's gone and then when he came back like this dumb motherfuckers back. Can you imagine how surprised they were when they showed up again? Oh boy, we're gonna eat him Yeah, they're probably thinking maybe comes back. I want to fucking yeah, I get I get the haunch.

1:31:14Yeah Well again, this is you know rich liberals Yes, that's what he was. He's a rich liberal who just wanted to fix the world and travel around and went to a world that he didn't understand Like literally didn't understand he didn't understand what they were saying Didn't understand the culture it was is fairly You know, yeah, I'm here to help you confusing, you know in my own way Yeah, I'm gonna bring enlightenment to you. Yeah, and also what a great story when you get back to the university Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I went to pop out and you can he's so interesting You got to wonder about his family.

1:31:48So yeah, sure you should go back to pop Can you pull up a story and see this cat? This photos of this cat like with the uh, yeah, I remember this I remember this is There we go. So 62 here. Hold on go back up It's the first public report the rock foe was killed and dismembered scroll up and His long burn bones turned into weapons and fishing equipment. Yo, wow was published by the associated press in March of 1962 a second investigated Investigation later that year by a patrolment named Wim van der Waal on behalf of Dutch colonial government came to the same conclusion Van der Waal was given a skull bearing no lower jaw and a hole in the right temple the hallmarks of the remains that had been Headhunted and opened to consume the brains Which he turned over to Dutch authorities who never asked him to write a written report and never asked him to verbally report his conclusion The information was apparently deemed politically sensitive in part because the fragile state of the Dutch Empire in the indiennesian archipelago And in part because of Nelson Rockefeller's political celebrity in the United States The findings of van der Waal's investigation are restated in the written memoir of Anton van der Waal a success successor missionary to van kessel hmm the famous van kessel Is it fair?

1:33:11No, I just added that um because I thought he deserved it You'll see if you can find photos of that dude That's crazy because there's photos of him hanging out with the people that ate him I Love that go out and investigate. Oh, this isn't the conclusion we wanted don't don't bother giving us a report Hmm keep that to yourself there he is yeah, I'm with the glasses. There is chill go go to that one right there No, the third one the third one the third yeah that one look at that. He's like I'm going to eat you those classic 60s glasses Right and look at the smile on his face. What is looking at that dude?

1:33:46Oh, I know. Oh look at them all look at the guy behind the the front guy He's he's looking he's going yeah and eventually they ate him crazy. He looks such a nerd. Yeah, what I'm more on well back in the day He thought he was being looking at him soy boy even back then. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, look like oh I'm having such a wonderful time with all of you people. Yeah. Yeah, they're gonna eat you bro That is that is the we're about to cook you dance right there Yeah, you're fucking around in a place you don't understand and you don't understand that they have a long history of that You think about its family what it wouldn't this family of said look Oh, what did I tell you?

1:34:21Oh god What is that? Is that supposed to be him? Oh god Click on that could be anything. Yeah. What is that image of does it say? Michael that is him. No, no, no, no, it says Michael Rockefeller. That's that's probably a picture that he took Oh Fucked up like he already knew they were doing that. I don't say Jesus pro. I'm sure this would be me someone brings out that Like hey check this out. We did that to this guy. Yeah, like look at that fuck scroll look at that fucking skeleton That is so creepy. I can't tell you they look well fed I would worry about that. Yeah that one guy on the right He's got a big old belly.

1:35:03Yeah, just been eating people Yeah Well a lot of them they get bloated because of parents too. That's true. That's two tapeworms 30 foot tapeworm Oh god Um, well there you go. So Yeah, click on that one where the guys are holding the arrow right below that right below your cursor. Yeah Look how fucking terrifying is that Geez imagine that guy you show him in the beach and that guy's there you like oh fuck You think they do like a like a movie they give you a 10 second head start into the jungle And then track you down. I mean, I honestly as per she used to do that if I was in the tribe I would do that right?

1:35:38Why wouldn't you? I mean, it's it's entertaining. Yeah What was there's a famous story of a guy with the killed his friend chopped him up through his guts on him And then they gave him like I think a 30 second head start and he escaped. He did hit in a beaver den Yeah, I think this is in my heart. I think this is in Montana Well a couple of years ago. What we're waiting hundreds. Oh, okay. I think I believe it was the Nez purse And I think they the he hid in a beaver den and made his way naked all the way back to the fort I think it was like a couple hundred miles, too Yeah, people were tougher the back then I would argue yeah to be they had to be yeah Wow What yeah, Michael reportedly told his companions I think I can make it and jumped into the water.

1:36:24That was last time we saw him. Oh, this is when he swam to the shore 1961 Michael Rockefeller's traveling to this dangerous area of dense rainforest mangrove swamps and crocodile infested mud flats No one is the land of the lapping death when a small catamaran capsize in rough seas This is the oh, so Michael Rockefeller a strong swimmer immediately jumped in the sea and began to swim to shore But this is the second time right? This is when they killed him But it says they don't know no one saw him after he jumped in the water. Mm -hmm. So they don't know what happened Right now here's an interesting thought if you're if you're offshore from whatever the lapping island of death Right and your catamaran's you know, he capsizes And so it's still there right it's still floating and you've got your shipmates and they're there and your decision You know the way that you've processed this is to swim to the lapping island of death That doesn't show a lot of thought there well he thought he could make it and he's already visited them before There was another article that I had read jamby that actually recounted the moment he was killed that they picked him up in a canoe and speared him in the canoe Yeah, that's what's written through the Wikipedia.

1:37:29There's been multiple cha times it's starting with seven years later So try to investigate what happened and I don't know how you would really go about doing that Yeah, the most recent article was like there's some recent revelation some Some information that was given to them by the tribes people about what happened that they sent a guy down there private investigator You know what we're gonna get with three skulls and they said one of them list a skull. So I don't know how they would Yeah, prove that well You know what's gonna solve this problem is gonna be the the newly formed u .s. Government Agency for the declassification of documents That's gonna solve this problem federal.

1:38:09Yeah, federal secret federal secrets. It's at the JFK UFO one. Yeah, J Epstein file that holey is running it and a and a in a polina cruise That's why she running it. She's hot Thanks, maybe they should just release the documents If you get a release the documents release the documents to the people on the internet they'll figure it out Yeah, I know they've got this new this new committee And they're gonna sort of a covid is also on the on the table with uh UFOs uh now Michael Rockefeller. I would argue. I'm hoping that's where the 4 .7 trillion went Yeah, yeah, that wouldn't that be good though I'm hoping that's what it is to all these government crashed retrieval programs and reengineering and back engineering Developing and developing our own technology.

1:38:57Yeah, we kept secret. Yeah, a lot of it. Yeah I think it's absolutely be wrong, but I think that's what a lot of it is I think we have some super sophisticated propulsion systems that are way ahead of our time And then also I think we're being visited. I think there's a bunch of different things happen in simultaneous Why they have 4 .7 trillion Okay, when you think about that it says well, that sounds like a lot, but It's a government spam thing We can blow through that pretty quick. So I'm thinking you know, yes, I do Well, it's over how long though? When they say 4 .7 trillion they don't give you a timeline It's like I was to think about uh Politico right like there was this talk about the we gave political eight million dollars well Sort of what the real story was there's a Subscription model for political where you get news like Instantaneously and it costs like 10 ,000 bucks and there was a bunch of those Subscriptions that were in many different agencies right right and so this is over the course of eight years Like that eight million dollars was from like 2016 to today, right?

1:40:01So I mean so say that right You know roll that out rather than saying you know, they've been funding, you know Because in a short burst it sounds much worse right Still you still can argue is this really necessary? Do you need to be doing this? Well? I don't know if you want information instantaneously, which would be very beneficial to someone in government Yeah, yeah, you're paying for a database for for information that that's gonna hopefully inform better decision -making The problem is when the way you say it if you say we gave political eight million dollars Oh those motherfuckers. That's why they're they're fucking that's why they're biased And then you realize like oh, that's not exactly it what happened.

1:40:35Yeah, so yeah I think the people that are doing this have to make sure that they're not hyperbolic Well, I'm sure yes exactly and that that goes back to this whole thing that I have probably beat to a death is the messaging idea, but I think this is important too because today now they're talking about social security Yeah, and that people are receiving social security that are 150 years old That but I don't think that is the reality as Explain by people understand coalball the language and this this computer programming language that they use is ancient right Which is kind of kind of crazy. They're still using that right it's a government.

1:41:16I mean, yeah So some guy who understands it was explaining that if certain Certain factors aren't taken into consideration or certain things aren't entered in You know like date of birth or when there's certain things or a date of death or a good But it doesn't even necessarily mean that all these people receiving checks right right They're just listed on the files right and it doesn't mean money's going out to them And so yeah again from a messenger perspective, you know Does Elon need to like you know screenshot that and then send it out as a as a tweet or whatever call X -rays and and then suddenly you've got you know a couple million people going oh my god We're paying dead people right right right that's that's the problem with being hyperbolic I'm gonna send this to you Jamie because I would confused myself and so I was like what exactly are they saying Because it seems like the people that understand that programming language are the ones that aren't jumping on board and saying hey This is what's happening yeah vampires exist amongst us to 300 -year -old people getting so security That's not what they're saying the the people that are that actually understand it are saying that's not really the case Although how cool would that be if vampires existed among us and we found out the 300 -year -old people were making You know that would be crazy like all crazy oh so I'll send you this Jamie this is the sky's explanation of it But that 4 .7.

1:42:38I'm sure we're gonna find the trillion Of course some of that money goes out and I think if you follow money in the government It's always more effective and interesting than than anything else right you always you always get to the bottom of things by following budgets Yeah You know depending on how it's hidden right and so a lot of that money is gonna be you know Perhaps it's in black budgets for who knows for defense department activities It's worth digging into because it's always fascinating so in that this is a guy that explains it. I'll read this I hope he's correct as a gentleman named house of Carter on X he said This isn't a vampire conspiracy.

1:43:16It's just cobalt cobol Legacy government systems especially social security still rely on cobalt a language designed before anyone Thought databases would need to track people beyond 99 years old the numbers you're laughing at aren't literal ages They're most likely misinterpretate misinterpreted categorical codes or data artifacts from outdated formatting Social security isn't paying 150 year olds the system uses fixed with fields and when modern databases Misread them they mistakenly interpret grouping codes as real ages This happens when old mainframe logic isn't properly translated into newer systems So no there aren't thousands of people over 150 getting checks But there are a lot of outdated systems that need modernization Maybe focus on fixing that issue instead of hyping up a non -issue So There's multiple people that have said the same kind of thing yeah This guy says I'm an old programmer Coder in today's parlance as many old programmers know cobalt young coders don't when musk claims that social security is paying thousands of 150 year olds I think someone should let him know that cobalt In cobalt if a data is missing if data a data is missing the program defaults to 1875 Example 2025 1875 equals 150 so for some reason if data is missing the program defaults to this Ancient date and it's just a problem with data.

1:44:55Yeah, which makes more sense than 150 year olds exactly But again, so so fine. I dig into it find out and you know what if if the end result is you know You don't have 150 old people getting benefits But the end result is that you modernize the way that we store information right then great There's there's a benefit to doge right there right? We've created a more efficient system for tracking and and paying out and and and good So you know everybody again everybody should Should not have a hard on about an organization called the you know the Department of government efficiency Right, you know and and I think ultimately I think they're going to do a very good job I just think let's So this is something to think about with social security though.

1:45:37So there's that which is probably a misinterpretation of data But there's other one that I just sent Jamie So there's this woman who's a whistleblower and she saying they were incentivized to qualify Illegals for long -term disability to qualify illegals for social security for life So they were set for life and in quote she says they wanted us to try to identify them in such a way that they would qualify for long -term Social security disability now long -term social security disability is for life So if they got identified and qualify for long -term social security disability There is good as set up for life That doesn't sound like a refugee to me.

1:46:15She's saying uh just being honest It sounds like someone is planning on staying here So they're instructed to try to identify To try to get the client because once they arrive here now they're called clients So they told us that we needed to talk to the client and ask them if they had any headaches reoccurring headaches or any lower back problems Anything that would qualify them for social security long -term disability Which is crazy. Yeah, yeah, and then And but again trackable information you would think right so you can go in if you're if you're serious and persistent About it you should be able to go in and identify Yes, we have to talk about this because so this is something that you know when when people are talking about the problems They're so security this seems if she's telling the truth this seems real right Just being honest.

1:47:06Yeah, sounds like someone who's planning on staying here Right stays until the problems over and they go oh well that's right and so They they instructed us to try to identify to try to get the client because once they arrive here Were they're now called clients They're called clients Okay, because clients pay sure sure I'm sorry and so where this is leading so They told us that we needed to talk to the client and ask them if they had any headaches recurring headaches or any lower back problems Excuse me anything that would qualify them For social security long -term disability wait wait wait wait wait So let me get this right part of the screening is supposed to be are you sick Mamed injured whatever right Okay, good you can come in yeah, you get on the airplane are you sick to maimed injured whatever yes Good so we can give you disability correct what yes This is insanity yes, it is insanity But in order to get so security disability benefits don't you need a social security number Well, we are we were instructed in the meeting that one of the first things we were supposed to do was sign them up for social security Yeah, wait This is unbelievable So they come over here and they get a social security number right they become legal correct If you pull them I like no, I'm not and then after they after we processed them for a social security card Then we were to process them for a US passport no You're not Yeah, I think we'd we again fascinating if it's true.

1:48:52It's it's a radio if it's true But you need corroboration on something like that right that lady yeah I got do do do The last few weeks Russian disinformation like whether what they are what they did I came from yeah, if you can find that out I mean, that's just due diligence right okay, who you know Let's so I think that's great and the obligation then is to say okay Well, who is she why does she have this knowledge is she credible? Can you corroborate it with other sources and if you can then yeah, you've got a serious problem When she at that moment where she said You know get them a US passport.

1:49:28That's where I started that little flag went off and I thought hold on a second You know what wait wait wait let's dig into this and actually see is that possible? 2017 2017 wow it's a radio show I'm a Zaria woman is interviewed by radio show Josh tolly. So shion wow that's 2017. That's crazy. Yeah God So but what would be the benefit of that the benefit of that would be you get a voter for life If you know if you are in whatever party you would suit whether it's a Republican party or whoever it is that allows this to happen And hooks these people up and sets them up You would think that those people are gonna vote that way for life because those are the people that gave them American citizenship essentially gave them Social Security for life Like all you have to do is like tell them look you get this check for life all you have to do is keep voting and you yeah Know how to love you know the right way to go Don't vote with your fucking conscience.

1:50:24I want you to vote with you know Yeah, yeah, and we'll regularly remind you who to vote for Yeah, we'll tell you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that that would be theory and that and that is the the theory the narrative that you know says That's why you know the last four years we had essentially an open -board policy was to bring in you know 10 11 12 million new voters Right, I mean that that's the way that that story unfolds. That's one version of it. That's one version of the other version is cheap labor Right cheap labor Also just sort of the you know then there's the soft Well, it's you know, it's the way the world should work.

1:50:57You know, we need an open borders world Yeah, not by not yeah, yeah, I don't think that's a version's horseship most people don't don't follow along lines of Doing things for ideology most people have other more base motives my take is if you got a place that's awesome And you got a system that's awesome. Hmm expand awesomeness don't bring in people that aren't awesome Don't bring in people from places that aren't awesome So the problem is if you bring people in that are criminals and then of a lifelong history of selling drugs and being involved in the car Telling they're not gonna come over here.

1:51:27You know what I need to join the union be a pipe -fitter You know Continue to do what they've done their whole goddamn life So like the problem is not that the problem is where you're from sucks. Yeah, so I think the best way I mean and I'm not saying we should take over all these countries and run them But the best way is to get that's probably the only way that we really work The way to do it is to just somehow or another encourage those countries to become more like the United States Well, yes, and then you would do that through soft power and you know organizations that could influence lines and yeah This is the so I'm trying to look at this from a bunch of different perspectives right?

1:52:09This is a very complicated situation It's not as simple as you know We need to stay out of the way of other countries businesses right right no, it's no I don't I again and that comes back around to It be lovely if we're all working on the same team That's not how I don't think human nature is so You know, I Well, that's not the state of the world right? It's not the state of the world and and it's in that the last four years And I would argue during the Obama administration they they oftentimes from a National security perspective seemed to run it based on how they they hoped the world would be right as opposed to how the world actually is right and so You know like him or hate him, you know again the current administration tends to You know, I think look at things in a more pragmatic way You think they'll be able to do that with USA'd do you think they'll be able to convince some of these other people that are all these USA First people that don't think we should be spending any money overseas.

1:53:08Yeah, that may be some of this money is well spent for our best interest Yeah If yeah, that's a good question Yeah, right because Yeah, well are you even allowed to say what you're actually doing then because how do we discern whether or not How you gonna tell people that 20 million dollars for Iraqi Sesame Street is actually a really good idea right here is why and it's or but how you're gonna tell them the you know Buying and owning Gaza is a good idea, right? I mean, I really don't think he's gonna do that. I don't I think that's one of those things Yeah, I don't think so but candidates in the first state but but do the people on the on the on that side of the fence Who say no money spent overseas right you know how you gonna justify that what do they yeah?

1:53:50What are they gonna do look at that and go well that's a that's a fucked up idea right but you know But it's it's still you know present a Trump so yay. We got to support it I don't know do they discern or you know do people on the base do they just say yeah Everything that comes out of the White House is a great idea because that certainly runs counter to the idea that we don't want to spend money overseas What are you gonna do substitute Ukraine now because we don't want to spend money in Ukraine you got substitute is a Fagaza Right again, that's the idea that we would protect American interests better if we were in control of that And so like if Israel did something if someone did something we'd be able to respond in minutes versus in days Well that goes against the idea that we don't want to be involved in foreign wars right I mean if president Trump doesn't want to be involved in foreign incursions and wars He's picked a hell of a spot to not be involved in for you.

1:54:36You're gonna drop yourselves and nice guys It's gonna fix it. Well, I know I'm gonna make it nice. Yeah, people Trump will tell yeah, so I mean But again, hey look, I think it's I think it's great in the sense that I never thought I'd see the day where where some of these Arab states We're turning around and say Hamas has got to go. I mentioned it before but that that's a sea change That's a big goddamn sea change and it's kind of like with Ukraine right now, right? He comes out and he says, you know, okay, we're gonna start these They finished already earlier today they finished conversations in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia between Sergey Lavrov and Mark Rubio and Steve Whitkopf on the US side and To start the discussions about peace in in the conflict, right without Ukrainian representation or the Europeans there NATO wasn't represented either right so And how do they have those kind of conversations if they don't have Ukrainian representation?

1:55:28A lot of people asking that question. Yeah, but now that they've done it right again under this idea that Yeah, you can't you have to bring them in but the fact that you just Just jumped into the breach and got started right? I mean you think about it in the previous administration or an Normal administration I'd argue getting to the table where you'd sit down and talk look that we did this the first time We've talked to the Russians really in a serious way since the invasion back in 2022 So the fact that you know most administrations would have taken you know a year just to map out okay Well, this is what the talks are gonna look like and this is you know We're gonna have to this is what the conference table will look like and this is where people are gonna sit And this is what we're gonna be a little say and it would take months and months and months together These guys just said, ah fuck it.

1:56:14Let's go over. We're gonna sit down. We're gonna talk with them now. That's forced Right, that's forced the Europeans to say okay, what okay? How do we get involved? We got to be relevant and they do right? with the European Nations and European institutions have allocated more money to Ukraine than the US as right? I mean they're up to Depending on numbers you look at there up to maybe a hundred and thirty billion dollars allocated in Financial how much have we allocated probably about a hundred and nineteen hundred and twenty billion? I thought it was way more than that. I thought it was a hundred and a hundred billion Newer Zelensky said he hasn't received it.

1:56:48No, well when I say allocated not all of it's been dispersed, right? So now the US is the leading military Provider of military hardware gear But if you combine humanitarian financial and military altogether EU institutions and EU countries have actually allocated more than the US has and that you know Logic would say buys them a seat at the table for any peace talks aside from the fact that they're sitting right there You know close to Russia. They've taken in a vast number of Ukrainian refugees You've got Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania sitting right there in the border with Russia They've got a real reason to want to be involved and and but again Trump saying let's just start the conversation with Russia It's forced the EU to say okay, how do we how do we get involved?

1:57:34How do we rethink much like the Arab states with the Gaza issue So now they're saying well Kierstarm are over in the UK saying we you know, we'd be willing to put boots on the ground for some sort of peacekeeping force You know and other nations some are pushing back, you know Poland Germany there. They're I don't know about deploying troops to Ukraine to enforce some sort of peace deal But they're talking right and they that accelerated the process So you know, they'll have to be involved and Ukraine will certainly have to be involved What are you gonna do you got invaded country right and they're not going to be involved in in the future of what happens to the invaded country So they'll be involved in Marco Rubio as said as much But I think um I think it's so I think it's good I think you know people are really up in arms over the idea that they've started the talk without the Ukrainians sitting at the table But I don't think there's any intention in any plausible scenario where the US doesn't get them involved here in the very near future Because otherwise it's going nowhere When Zelensky says that he hasn't received a hundred billion dollars.

1:58:38What does that actually mean? Does it mean it just hasn't gotten to Ukraine yet? It means yeah, it doesn't mean it's missing It's not no, it's not missing well though, so this is the thing that people are saying It's like Tucker Carlson was talking about this and he he was essentially saying that there's a bunch of people that are spending money And he went to some wealthy ski town and these Ukrainians they're all super wealthy and he thinks that some of that Is is you know, he's he's not going out on a limb there, right? I mean look for Ukraine one of their big problems Over years and years has been corruption right and fraud and one of the reasons why you know they there was push back against you know This idea of NATO even though back in In 2008 or nine 2008 you know at a European summit they actually said during the NATO summit they said Yes, at some point in the future Ukraine and Georgia, you know will become members of NATO.

1:59:34We're not going to give you a timetable You know, I can tell you what that's going to look like, but you can become members of NATO But one of the problems has been the level of corruption within Ukraine So is is some of that money both from the US and from the EU Gone missing and lining pockets. Oh, absolutely. It's no there's no doubt about it Look at a rock the money that we spent in a rock and how much I mean just any any time You've got government dispersion of that size like fucking COVID fraud right anytime you've got money going out and large buckets from the US Government you don't have some fraud absolutely.

2:00:07Yeah, you're gonna have people are gonna take advantage of it So yeah, that's that's that's not a surprise, you know and and yeah, Tucker's right for pointed out I'm just saying it's not rocket science How much well that's again you would like to think that doge one of their jobs would we to go? You know and I think if there was more transparency in In how the money is spent as there should be right? I mean that then maybe the taxpayers would be a little bit more Um Understanding or lenient, you know, and if they're not gonna be lenient or understanding for any fraud where people are getting rich off of this Right, there are people that are getting rich off of this Remember there was one guy that had a resign because it turned out he had somehow another moved around a a billion dollars that He shouldn't have that story billion dollars.

2:00:52Yeah, it's like well. Yeah, I'll just step off And so he kind of went away and he's living on a yacht This these stories and it's so confusing because you know, we're getting the mainstream media version of what's going on Versus boots on the ground where where's the money actually going? Yeah, what is actually happening? Why did Russia actually invade in the first place? Well my company was out in Iraq You know shortly Actually a little bit before but then you know following the 2003 entry of the US into Iraq and so we were there for handful of years right providing security assistance to a variety of organizations and You know you you didn't have to look hard or far to see you know There'd be some some group coming into town saying hey, we just started up this company, you know, and it's you know It's an eight -day company look we're owned by Eskimos or you know Handicap women or whatever they just set up some bullshit company to get government contracts no experience now other and yeah, so You know, we watch that unfold anytime you have an environment that's that's steeped in chaos Yeah, that's that's fraud is definitely going to happen.

2:02:04So you have to you have to be incredibly aggressive and in willing to hunt it down, right? But I think sometimes the problem is in government. There's like an accepted loss concept Like with You know credit cards or retail operators, right? Well, again accepted loss We know we're going to lose a certain amount each year to fraud Columbia record and take a club. Yeah, remember that I do I was a member. I was too I think I still owe the money That's right I'll start getting noticed since I have not received my People don't remember that that was when you used to get cassettes and CDs in the mail And you sign up and you get like it was a bit it was a big Hustle with the music industry to sell more copies.

2:02:49Yeah, and you can never I'm sorry. You can never get rid of it. You can never get rid of it But it made it look like they had a lot more people buying albums than they were they weren't really buying them They're getting them from Columbia record and he get like ten of them for a buck Yeah, everybody's like oh, this sounds great and then you get them for regular price afterwards Fuck this they sent you little cow. Yeah, you check off which ones you want everybody defaulted nobody nobody paid Yeah, it's like all my friends did it. Oh god completely weird scam that went on the 1980s I was I remember Netflix started by mailing you.

2:03:22Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah I remember that and yeah You used to get a CD in the or a DVD in the mail. Yeah, I told that to my boys the other night We they put on Netflix and I said you know how this guy started and they were like they were they couldn't believe it I mean, they still amazed when there are postman walks by the house right they think it's incredibly quaint The same guy walks by and leaves you with some mail. I wonder what they would I mean imagine taking a kid to like 1988 and bringing them to a blockbuster video I would walk around and go what is going on? Well, we don't have the internet anymore.

2:03:54I mean yet So this is you get movies they've been shut the fuck up. You don't watch it on your phone like we don't have phones Yeah, no, no, no, we had a cell phone here. Yeah your evenings were spent with a bowl of of unshelt nuts Yeah, wall nuts and you crack them and that was your activity while you talk to your mom and dad or something if you ever showed someone a phone back then and say Someday people are gonna jerk off looking at that They'd be like what are you even talking about that's the dumbest prediction of all time That's not a start track. You know, we got it. You get a phone call I remember if you know some some some girl call and and and and my privacy was only as long as the cord on the phone Oh, yeah, right, right because everybody was in you didn't go to the closet.

2:04:36Yeah Yeah, yeah, one of them ones that like had the button like a little portable one with the cord attached Yeah, you'd hang it up on that like a desk one you could bring a long cord if you were lucky But we had the wall once and so they had the whole Those were like a go around the corner and then you know the cord always fucking tangled Spin the headset around to untangle the cord People don't know the cord you should drag to the ground Do you remember your landline phone number from when you were a kid? Yeah Yeah, yeah, I do too. I it's the craziest thing. I can still I can't remember what I did two and three hours ago And I could still you put a gun on my head and I could recite the phone number I had when I was eight years old Yeah, I know we're weird.

2:05:18We used to be able to remember so many numbers I only know like three or four numbers of my friends by heart. Yeah, you know your kids numbers by yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and my wife's maybe a couple of my buddies that have had like my friend Eddie's had the same phone But he's got a new one now. So it's it's weird that we don't have any numbers in our head anymore now I know I will say And I know this because just a day and a half ago. I was I was I was doing something. I was filling out some Application for one of my boys the middle boy scooter and and It asked for his phone number and I had to look it up.

2:05:53Mm -hmm. So I was thinking like well, I don't know I just push the button I have to look up mine sometimes. Yeah, does that change it when I get some of my number? I have to go Hold on. Yeah. Yeah, I fuck it up. I haven't changed my number in fucking generations. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know It becomes an issue. Yeah, well, yeah, yeah for you. I think it's a certain point in time We're just getting bombarded by people that you don't want to talk to you like okay One way out of this. I've got all the friends I want. I got a van. Yeah. Yeah, it's not even the friends you want Yeah, it's all transactional.

2:06:23That's the problem the problem is like you start to realize This person only text me when they want something. Yeah And the text before they want something or bullshit the say hi Oh, yes, because it's coming. Yeah, here comes the thing you want. Yeah, and then that comes. Yeah, I get that from I've got to start up. Oh fuck. Yeah Do you want to invest? Fuck off. Yeah, it's I don't get the investments because nobody thinks I have money but but you know, I'll get like sort of a request for you know, how about a hookup with You know somebody and sell them part of the Country of government there, you know, so and I'm like I'm not gonna put you in touch with anybody.

2:07:00Adam Yeah, those are the worst. Yeah, so it's it's interesting, but You know what today is you know what today is today is my 20th wedding anniversary Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I just I was thinking about that um, I know It was funny because You proposed the 18th forced to get together and Immediately I thought well, that's our anniversary and then I thought well she loves Austin So I could combine the two there you go and I don't know that I got credit for it Sure, yeah, you won't no, I can buy work with anything even if it's the most awesome vacation, but it's also work Yeah, yeah, oh you didn't even go out of your life to do this Yeah, you know you kept doing the same stuff and you added a thing and here it is.

2:07:46Yeah, 20 years and here you go Yeah, I don't know what but we do a nice restaurant Yeah, yeah, we are And and we had a we had a dinner in in Boise with a bunch of folks On Saturday night that was really lovely So we got everybody together and you guys have wolves out there Oh, yeah, yeah, I saw you you put something out about wolves been near Aspen 30 minutes outside of Aspen my friend has a ranch And he just released wolves there a couple weeks ago. Yeah, and he's already finding if that took a photo of it and put it on my Instagram He found a dead elk leg The neighbor spotted the wolves and they're on his property and he has I mean they've released them on his ranch No, no one let him know that's the leg we found in the snow No one told him and these are big Canadian wolves that they got from BC by the way Oh, no the repopulation program look the way you feel about it is entirely jurisdiction based What I mean by that if if you live in New York City or Chicago You bring love's bad wolf repopulation program if you're if you're a rancher or you know you you live out in the in the north west or the west You're like what the fuck It's all ranchers.

2:08:57This is what's crazy It's like they released the wolves where the fucking livestock is what's crazy is they had a mandate to release wolves in Colorado So the first wolves they released they got from Oregon who they took out of areas where they were killing livestock Yeah, so they got wolves that were accustomed to killing livestock and then reintroduce them to Colorado where there's livestock And what do you know they start killing livestock yeah and kind of crazy and it's true and what you said is is absolutely true here Give it a short period of time and they're gonna start laying on wolf hunts right and they're you're not gonna find them Yeah, here's another thing my friend said you can shoot them if they killed if you're killing your livestock Or if they're killing a working dog Yeah, but you can't shoot them if they're killing your pet Yeah, this is what he said I don't know if that's true You can I know I know you can kill them yeah, and Idaho they're given out tags Yeah, they're given out tags in Montana and this is what people need to understand when they first reintroduce them There was no way you could shoot them right and then it got to a point they're like okay This is not just sustainable.

2:09:59This is a large population of animals that is doing a lot of damage Oh, yeah, and they do surplus hunting so in one place in I think it was Wyoming they killed like some crazy number of cow elk like 15 or 16 Type A predator. Yeah, man, that's incredibly efficient and they work together They're the only animal in North America other than coyotes which are actually wolves too. They're a small wolf Yeah, but they're the only animals that work as packs and they're so good at it They're so good at and they're so fucking smart. They're so smart. They're all psychic. They're all fucking think together And then your hive mind.

2:10:33Yeah, they're high arches amazing I'm the way that they yeah, I did a Several days out in Yellowstone one time for a TV show an episode and You know following or trying to anyway The lives of of a family out there and it was it was amazing right? Yeah, I'm really yeah, it's just incredible They're amazing animals. It's just this ballot box biology These people that are in Denver and Boulder They're the ones who are the big population centers. They're the ones who are voting for this But you're not gonna release wolves in the middle of downtown Denver, right? No, you're gonna release them out in the area They wish that they would I wish that they would though The area where they release them first were areas where people voted against the wolves Yeah, just like a big fuck you to those people.

2:11:16Yeah, well it always is and if you're if you're a ranch Even in Idaho right and you're constantly fighting for for just kind of common sense decision -making and you know luckily You know the state house is very you know Favourable, you know who knows I mean maybe that changes in 10 years, but for right now, you know, they understand look This is this this is what's important to this state right why it's such a great. It's a great place to live but yeah, so I don't know I saw that and I it you know it's it's front and center But I know exactly who's voting in favor of it right because I you know, I've talked to those people who don't understand At all, you know what it how it operates right?

2:11:55Well, apparently it's a pet project. No point Of the governor of Colorado's husband his husband is a big on wildlife Which everybody should be who's a good or a Colorado again? It's uh, I don't remember Oh, well, yeah, not important but not important Now it is important if you live in Colorado There really is it's already started the wolves are there and they were coming into Colorado anyway There's Colorado wolves that were moving in from neighboring states Colorado borders. Why only recording right and they don't stop at the border It's not like they go that's how I can travel hundreds and hundreds of miles Yes, you know, I we showed a video on here once of a friend of mine filmed a wolf in Bakersfield, California and I was like well these people that live out there the ranchers that live out there talked to me about one of my buddies who actually works on a ranch Filmed it filmed this wolf and we actually played the video.

2:12:50It's a big black wolf. It's in a cattle field And like in fucking Bakersfield. It's just outside of Bakersfield. It's like off the five Well, what we had Diane Boydon who is a wolf reintroduction specialist like she's she studied wolves her whole life And she's not in favor of reintroduction of wolves She thinks they should be they should reintroduce to areas naturally and they were going to do that anyway They were gonna migrate into these areas naturally and that's the best way to let it happen But she said they can travel hundreds and hundreds of miles And that this wolf probably came all the way from Oregon and just made its way down It probably wasn't even it because their fear was that some crazy wildlife group is like we're gonna reintroduce to wolves our cells And they're capturing these wolves and then bringing them to California.

2:13:37Fuck you rancher You should be silly beings and just release them She doesn't think that she thinks those wolves actually probably made it from the wild all the way down there because they really travel Insane distances. Yeah, I mean, no that makes sense and I'm glad to hear that she's after all that experience She's she's not in favor of a program. I mean that shows a lot of Well, it just throws a giant monkey wrench into whatever ecosystem there is yeah But the reality of the ecosystem of Montana where they did reintroduce Wolves was that they were very overpopulated with elk to the point where well she was explaining this They used to have these winter seasons For a cow elk and you know, it's basically shooting fish in a barrel because they're stuck in deep snow Yeah, and you could just pick them off and they did that because they were heavily overpopulated The land couldn't sustain the numbers and so they offered opportunities for hunters Hey, it's great.

2:14:29You shoot an elk you get even a cow elk you get like 150 pounds of meat 200 pounds of meat And it's great That's your meat for a year almost I remember a park ranger out in yellowstone told me one time He said he was driving he was out just sort of like checking things and and came across a large I forget what he called it. It was a van of some sort, but it was like a VW you know, hippie van of some sort and there were four young folks he said early 20s and they were trying to herd this little baby The um That he got inseparated from the herd right and was now all on its own And they've been driving along and they saw it off in the distance in the in the fields and they so they decided they were gonna rescue this Oh, no, so they were out there trying to get this thing to come towards their their van I have no idea.

2:15:19He says I don't know where were they gonna do put it in the van He had no idea what they were trying to do but he he's starting to say what are you doing? He says well, he got this baby thing trying to save it He said what the fuck in your van and drive off he said this is this is how this works, right? But he's not gonna find its mother Like have you ever seen the Instagram page Torons of Yellowstone? Oh, one of my favorite Torons. Torons like morons are tourists Torons of Yellowstone. It's a great Instagram page. It's all Assholes taking selfies with with with deer and selfies with bison Selfie's yeah, it's people trying to feed bears And it's all people just getting fucking thrown through the air by giant bison's yeah I love that when they when they're they're like this and it's right behind them And they're just trying to get that picture and then and once that bison starts staring right once it starts staring at you You got you got problem.

2:16:12This is one I saw the other day. These people are right this black bear is eating of fish Right on the the edge of this lake and they're getting right up to it. I mean these kids are literally 15 16 inches away from this fucking thing and he gets closer to look at the red jacket. Yeah, get our picture come on I got my thumbed up. Yeah, one of them winds up touching it Totally shit. Yeah, he reaches over at the end of this stupid fucking video and touches it And the bear is just like the fuck out of here. I'm trying to know they don't care But they're so habitualized to being around people no wild bear a truly wild bear would ever allow this no This is just a bear you know they start eating people's garbage They start taking fish from fishermen and that kind of shit and look at this kid taking this Selfie he gets closer this this fucking dumbass Look at this fucking stupid kid look he's gonna move in and touch it Oh, yeah, that could have been the end of your life buddy And look he's got flip flops on these kids.

2:17:11They're so silly. We go up we go up fishing in Alaska and I tell you one thing we're not gonna do Skates Bear comes out of the brush We're not gonna stop and take a selfie. No don't take a selfie. No, no, not at all Alaska though There are a scared of people because they hunt them in Alaska It's the only state yeah in the United States and they want to open up a season in Montana And there's arguments about that right now because of the interactions that people are having with bears Yeah, this is part of what the governor of New Jersey ran on that he was gonna stop the bear hunt and people like Yeah, stop the bear hunt That shit lasted one year.

2:17:47Yeah, and there were so many problems with bears They said all right, you're right. You're right. And then they reintroduce the bear hunt most of those are black bears Right? Oh, that's only black. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah But New Jersey has more black bears per capita than any other state in the United States, which is nuts Yeah, you always forget the New Jersey help a how big it is, but also just how green it is right? I mean, yeah, yeah, New Jersey is like Newark and Hackensack and the you know those places and then It's all pine flats and all the rest of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so like it you get into the woods of New Jersey You know, it's fucking real woods and it just doesn't seem like it should be because New Jersey is the sopranos You know in our mind.

2:18:25It's oh, it's Tony soprano. Oh, it's new. It's Newark. Yeah, there's nothing green about Newark Yeah, that's what we think about with Newark. We think about that just a friend of us Yeah, you excited about the JFK files release we haven't even talked about that um You know, I feel like I feel like Charlie Brown with Lucy keeps pulling that football away You know like today's the day. I'm gonna kick that football and then she fucking yanks that football and Charlie goes flying to the air and lands on his head Yeah, that's how I feel. It's gonna be the way it is too I mean, I think I think they'll actually kick out the door.

2:19:01I don't think they this time around I don't think they can hold any more document and they don't have that many left to hold I think they just found thousands of new doctors. They found 2400 more. That is actually a good way They found the FBI says oh look at this, you know, we what they did was they did a they did a review They started in 2020 and they said okay all our closed cases We're gonna start um, you know compiling all of them in one place Why wouldn't they doing that? 40 years ago 50 years ago. How do you not do that? I have a central repository anyway So they said but this is what we're gonna do so they they did and they said we're updating our the way that we We digitize and and and hold on to all our records and during the course of that then when Trump issued is executive order about the release of the files and also for our K &M okay Then the hero says well we were able to because we'd done this digitizing and and this this way of tracking our records We were able to find 2400 documents That are related that we we just didn't know about So there's those and then there's maybe five thousand other documents left that haven't been released Well, Trump was quoted as saying that if you saw what they showed me you wouldn't release it either Right, what does that mean, you know It's a really good question.

2:20:14I here's what I think it I think and I don't Obviously, I don't know what's in the in those documents You don't man. You know remember I was I was a toddler when when he was shot and although I would that would have been the perfect cover Nobody's fucking looking for Toddler to come behind the microphone magnifying glass come off that grassy. No Well, what would you pop I mean, it's not like they're gonna say in the documents. We did it Right like so what is the what could the documents have that would be so incriminating that they wouldn't want to release them Like what would you document if you assassinated the president?

2:20:52We'd say well me and Mike were sitting over here on the grassy. No And then we this is yeah, I think I think some of the documents the redactions are Really pedestrian like they've redacted in the old days. You read redacted a person's name who is an investigator or a social security number of somebody who Was interviewed but this whole page is like that right, I mean, so there's there's like those are like weird Yeah, I think they held on to Biden administration held on to like 2000 Samad well 2017 they were supposed to release them right and then this was when the Trump administration didn't do it And that's when people got mad.

2:21:30Yeah, like hey you said you were gonna do it And this time they are saying they're going to do it and then they got this hot lady who's involved in all this yeah, which is odd It does well again Why they make her yeah, why they pick her she She a JFK expert. I think she's an assassination expert. Well, that's not just assassination She's in charge of UFOs too right right and an Epstein and all the rest all the I think what we're gonna find is This is just me speculating obviously, but I think what we're gonna find with the released documents is a There's no smoking gun and it be it's not going to stop People from believing what they believe it's not gonna put anything to rest Um, and I think also they'll probably will be Um, one of the reasons I think some of these things were withheld was because it's embarrassing perhaps to Um, the CIA and the FBI also in terms of their collaboration look Lee Harvey Oswald was on their radar for good reasons right for you know counter intelligence reasons He had lived over in Minsk he'd defected to the rush to the the Soviet Union.

2:22:34He lived over there for three years came back And so that in a long puts him on the radar right now suddenly he's a CIA So the CIA is definitely monitoring and then he goes down he to Mexico He goes to the Cuban and and Soviet embassies right he's desperate to get involved in in the revolution even though he's You know the Soviets by that time it decided he's a complete loser um and and I think what have the narrative though I mean do we know what they really decided? Well, I think you know I'm just speaking again from you know from experience in intelligence community at a certain point you look at somebody and go There's nothing here this person is more of a of a liability than an asset.

2:23:17Well wouldn't that be the perfect person to make a patty Well, unless they decided the guy is just unstable look. I mean the reportedly reportedly he uh, he was finally granted A permission to exist in the Soviet Union after he tried to kill himself when they said they were gonna send him back He couldn't he couldn't stay there. How did you tell yourself would you? No idea I don't know that part of it, but I think it's I guess I so my point is is that I think He was on the radar and I think what happened was in the documents we may find that the CIA you know at the time You know was not proactive enough and they didn't work Well with the FBI there was real friction between those two and I think that you know if they had If they had it brought in the FBI and foreign them said look he's you know work We've got the Cuban embassy and the Soviet embassy down in Mexico under observation We've had this guy on a radar for some time.

2:24:11He's now come back to Dallas and New Orleans. He's he's back in the states You know, we've got to keep an eye on him I think if they had done that you know, maybe history changes, but I don't think they did And obviously yeah, but this is assuming that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone Right, I'm not buying into under the under this scenario. Yeah, that's why yeah, but I think that's what we're gonna see in some of this documentation Well if Trump really did say that That if they showed you what they showed me you wouldn't really see either it has to be something And that something might be a second shooter.

2:24:41Well, it's not it more I agree because Trump has never been known to say anything hyperbolic So I mean there's a chance that he was you know I don't know attempt to suicide a striking indication of how much you desire to remain in the Soviet Union So that willing he was dramatically indecisively when he faced an emotional crisis with few readily available alternatives at hand He was shocked to find that the Soviet Union did not accept him with open arms The entry in his self -styled historic diary for October 21st 1959 reports. I am shocked two exclamation points my dreams exclamation point I have waited two years to be accepted my fonds dream.

2:25:23I don't even know that means fondest fondest It's probably they forgot the tea. He can't spell this fuck my fondest dreams are shattered because of a petty official I decided to end it soak fist and cold water to numb the pain then slash my left wrist. What a pussy? The then play grist oh plug then then punch plunge risk boy can't spell plunge either then plunge Plunge so he spells plunge PLAUG. I guess it's plunge wrist into bathtub of hot water Somewhere a violin plays as I watch my life whirl away. I think to myself how easy to die and a sweet death to violins Oswald was discovered in time to thwart his attempted suicide He was taken to a hospital in Moscow where he was kept until October 28th 1959 Still intent however and staying in the Soviet Union Oswald went on October 31st to the American Embassy to renounce his US citizenship Mr.

2:26:18Richard A. Snyder the second then second secretary and senior counsel officer at the embassy Testified that Oswald was extremely sure of himself and seemed to know what his mission was He took charge in a sense of the conversation right from the beginning I said I presented the following sign note I Lee Harvey Oswald do hereby request that my present citizenship in the United States of America be revoked And then they let him back in the United States. Yeah, this is why the more tinfoil hat wearing amongst us Say this fucking guy he was working for the government. This is all bullshit Yeah, they were setting it up and they were using him as a patty.

2:26:58Oh, no I know that's I mean there's obviously like there's a strong belief that the CIA was involved the mob was involved And again, hey, I haven't seen all the documents like you know Trump has so I you know everything's on the TZ We've seen them all everything's on the table. I don't know if he's seen everything either What has he gone through all the files? He's sitting there in his office and can die coke reading the documents I who knows but I think you know and who else Will said he's a cash Patel said he's seen all the files. Oh, okay He said he's seen everything now. I don't sure how in what capacity right that was he part of a review committee perhaps I don't I don't know interesting, but we'll find out and you have long said that you think that the Martin Luther King Jr assassination was was fishy.

2:27:41Yeah, yeah, I really do. I believe that and I also it's interesting that His family doesn't want this released. They don't want the remaining documents released and I think the reason there is because look they you know Hoover and and in the federal and state law enforcement had a real hard on for Martin Luther King obviously right and They were covering him three ways to Sunday. So Including wiretaps some that were signed off by RFK right by Robert Kennedy. So as attorney general. So I think You know the family is like look do you really need to release these these records? Because I think they're worried about you know embarrassing information about their perhaps about his lifestyle Hasn't a lot of that already been released?

2:28:24Yeah, it's been talked about anything, but I think if you dump it out there um, you know, whereas Where as with RFK's uh, sorry with JFK's documents look they've released some five million pages of his right I mean estimates are like oh, we've released like 99 % of the documents right it's not that it's not that high a percentage with with MLK So I think there's a potential for embarrassment, but I also Same thing. I don't think in those documents. I don't think anybody's gonna if they're not gonna self -incriminate Right and I do think that there was there was something going on look at James Earl Ray is a much more interesting case study I think anyway than Lee Harvey Oswald James Earl Ray and his behavior leading up to The shooting at the Lorraine motel uh Kind of going off the radar disappearing you know the guy you know the guy couldn't keep himself out of jail He was a failed petty thief, right and he was just a fuck up And then suddenly he disappears off the radar screen and he shows up and he you know looks like a college professor And he's kind of got his shit together and you know then after shooting him he ends up in in Belgium I got money and guns.

2:29:32Yeah, I got money and guns. He had he suddenly he had a you had a bag full of cash to go buy himself a Mustang Which he used to drive around the south and and kind of be off the grid the grid I don't know that one strikes me as and then the sort of the the interplay with with Federal and state and local law enforcement To me, but again my point is they released the documents. What do you think there's gonna be some note in there saying Right must kill MLK. Yeah, somebody talked to Hoover. So that's why it's it's fun to think like what are they gonna? What's the JFK document is gonna say what is the MLK?

2:30:05What is what are they gonna tell us about UFOs, but How much are they documenting like if someone is involved in killing the president I would imagine they wouldn't write that down. Yeah, you would think right You know, imagine Yeah, Kyle. We're gonna need you to make a statement here about shooting So I think that there's there's probably I don't know why I picked the name Kyle that seems odd The name for a shooter. Yeah, yeah, it was it wasn't a popular name. I don't think back then, but I just so I think you look release everything if they don't release all the documents At this stage if they say we're gonna we're gonna hold on to or redact a thousand pages What the hell is it?

2:30:42It's good. It doesn't make any sense doesn't make any sense 1963 just put it put it to fucking rest And if there's embarrassing things in there then then own it right except it and and and fucking move on But again, it's not gonna change the narratives that are out there. I don't think I don't think it's gonna It's it's not gonna satisfy anybody. Well, isn't it also a problem which so much time has passed that the waters are so muddy In terms of like trying to see Clearly exactly what happened and when it went down and how it went down unless They did somehow another document everything which seems insane that they thought that they were just tucked that away somewhere Yeah, it's just it seemed realistic.

2:31:21It doesn't yeah, it seems much more likely that that would be something that you would have a conversation about At closed room You know, yeah, if there if there was actually a cadre of people that did that It's not in the documents right it's it's because those documents are like interviews of people on the grassy no Interviews of people who knew Jack Ruby in his you know life My friend Evan Hafer has an interesting perspective on it, you know special forces guy He he thinks that those guys who got fucked over at the Bay of Pigs when they didn't get air support from Kennedy That if you were gonna find a group of hardened individuals that were Essentially assassins for the government right those would be the guys that how would have a bone to pick with JFK Yeah, yeah, I mean I again until everything's visible and out there.

2:32:12I think everything's on the table Yeah, he's not wrong in the sense that they they hated Kennedy, you know But a lot of people hated Kennedy the mob hated, you know, RFK immensely Yeah, oh yeah, cuz he wouldn't play ball Well also he fucked them over because they got elected in Chicago and they turned on them and then they started investigating I mean, I like hey mother fuck her. Yeah, and then and then depending on who you talk to Jack Ruby was either mobbed up or he did it because he was Jewish and he and he didn't want you know the Or Jewish community to take that or impure MK ultra version is the best version that sir Hanser Han Charles Manson Yeah, yeah, well say it again, but read chaos by Tom O 'Neill is gentleman.

2:32:53Yeah, no MK ultra is that is a dark history or chapter In the history of the agency. There's no doubt about it that and again, it's one of those cases where you can't It's like we talked about with Alan Dullesinger as far as I know we've never overthrown a country It would be like if I sat here and said well as far as I know we never did anything of course Never done any mind control. Yeah, I was of course they did yeah, it was it was like the the experimentation that went on and that was outsourced Was you seeing the most recent thing that's people are saying about China? I think Kurt Madsker sent it to me So I know it's got to be accurate He's not out of his mind something about some New thing that they found Some Chinese mind control thing Where you saw that Jamie stuff that yeah, they burned the ether That thing I don't know the burner cryptocurrency and the guy said that they're being taken over by Yeah, that has to be it because it was going viral yesterday.

2:33:46Oh my god. All right. How did I how would I miss? Mrs. I was not on Kurt Metser's email list I don't think actually just checked it wasn't Kurt he spent a million dollars to do that or like wasted That's how people saw it. I guess it's a better way to put it. When what are you talking about? What I'm talking about is some mind control thing that they're involved with with like their version of like a neural link Oh, okay There's a bunch there's more than one different scenario that they're picking this is crazy because what goes around comes around Right everything that's old is new again because when we talked about mk ultra the whole reason behind mk ultra was fear that the Soviets were engaged in mind control This is a different one.

2:34:25Yeah, someone burned 500. Yeah, this is it ETH to accuse Chinese head funds CEOs of using brain control brain computer weapons allegations of mind control tech spark a crypto donation spree amid intrigue and Chinese finance circles Yeah, this is it so this dude. How do you say that name? Who lezy who lezy who lezy burns O3 ETH to alleged Chinese hedge fund CEOs use of brain computer weapons large donations totaling of 10950 ETH that's a theory We're made to various addresses including wiki leaks and Ukraine a self -identified Chinese programmer has burned 603 ETH approximately 1 .65 million dollars and donated 950 ETH approximately 5 .35 million through a series of blockchain transactions while making allegations against Chinese against executives of a Chinese hedge fund And so this guy I don't understand why he's donating the money.

2:35:30Yeah, I'm not getting this So people would see it essentially Okay, sent 500 ETH to the burn address with this message the CEO of quande investment Feng Jin and jiu jie I say it you she yeah, you she yeah, use brain computer weapons to persecute all company employees and former employees and even they themselves were controlled like what Okay, the individual identifying as who lezy uh sent multiple on -chain messages accusing quande investment CEO Feng Jin and jiu jiu zi Of using what they term brain computer weapons against employees and former employees quande investment known as wizard quant is a hedge fund specializing in quantitative trading That old story, you know so scroll down it says this is a new mode of crime which the victim is gradually deprived of his senses of Desire until it becomes a complete slave to the digital machine and if one day I become a victim of the final stage I will leave the world The as the brain computer interface and mind reading technology keeps developing There is a new mode of crime in which wild animals become puppets or complete slaves to the digital machine I saw this on south park it was the human caterpillar episode Wow um Okay, so I don't understand and jerry maybe you do why burning through and donate why putting all that money just to get it seen It would it would draw a lot of attention to it that someone just Just literally like lit a million and a half dollars on fire.

2:37:15So that's it. That's really yeah Yeah, it's getting some reason people like themselves on fire. Yeah, wow Wow, okay, good attention. Wow. Well, they're not it's true. That doesn't right right right It doesn't it's true. Well, it could be just trying to bullshiting us and saying they have this. Yeah Well, but again the the amazing thing is is that is it Like everything kind of repeats itself. I suppose if you could look at it that way I'm not gonna go into some grand thought But look, I mean, you know, we're engaged in world war one style warfare and in in Europe now right with trench warfare between Ukraine and Russia This We're talking about mind control Chinese regime, right?

2:37:50There was a that was what started mk. Ulter was fear of the Soviets and the and the North Koreans Getting engaged in and mind control and the worry that we were you know somehow behind the curve and that they had this technology capability to the control minds and so next thing you know You know mk. Ulter is is born and you know, I wonder what's the method? They're supposedly using to control these people's minds like that. There was pretty vague Slays to the digital machine like what And the same kind of stuff we said but a couple more of the messages Elaborates and alleged activities they're engaged in which include deploying brain computer chips to control all citizens until they become complete Complete slaves the digital machine saliming the distraught lazy who described himself as an ordinary computer programmer and entrepreneur That's what I'd say too if I work for the Chinese government claims he's been controlled by the mind control organization from the time he was born But only discoveries being manipulated in October 2022 so from the time he was born they had a chip in his brain Is that what he's saying?

2:38:49That's not real no because they didn't have that back then yeah I'm concerned over the legitimacy of this or if they did I'm concerned it's still the act of brain like how do you not have brain cancer? Yeah It's been a very pain. I mean, maybe it's real. I'm just Fucking around here. Maybe it's been a very painful in the last two years lazy wrote now I have completely lost my dignity as a human being I've decided to leave this world. I hope this ugly world will be destroyed soon. Oh, well that guy sounds like a Whole bunch of fun. Yeah, I said that that he just did it just to give the story some credence, which doesn't I don't know Yeah That's the problem with today.

2:39:26It's like there's so many bullshit stories. Yeah, that sounds fun to say they mind control Well, that's it if you throw if you throw shit out there and you couch it in a certain way and you you know oftentimes you'll see some of this and you know I'm using big words and I'm talking about the and you know, it's like the it's like the fucking UFO hearings up on Capitol Hill I know how many times I've had a sit and listen to you know, well, I've seen some stuff I can't tell you what the stuff is. Yeah, it's hidden stuff But I've seen some stuff. I know I get so tired of it all. Yeah, and and I think there's I think there's There's something out there, right?

2:39:59I'm not you know again. I'd you know, I I agree within the sense that you know we We're certainly not the only ones out here floating around right? I don't know what it means. I don't know whether we've been visited or anything like that Every time there's a you know UFO hearing it's this it's sort of that same thing. It's a tantalizing like oh look he's talking He's talking and then it's about the release of those documents though That seems to me that that's something that you would document like so yes rather than say I killed JFK I'm gonna write what do I sign instead of that It's more that's more tangible like the if the government had recovered some crash in 1947 and Rosalind in Mexico and it really wasn't alien spaceship That seems like something they would document.

2:40:46Yeah, yeah, I agree and I think that's I think that's worth pursuing in a in a big way They should it look at these to be more transparency about it But it and it's also the same like with the the covid files if there's such a thing as covid files But sure go through and look I mean transparency, you know to the degree that you can where you know Not releasing national secrets that are gonna get people killed great But the Epstein files, you know, so I think there's there's real value in saying we've got because the government always overclassifies And you know it's and it's unnecessary and it creates you know this this this distrust I think half the time of over you know the For sure.

2:41:26Yeah, they just like what the fuck do we don't believe anything you're saying now. Yeah, so release everything Um, let the chips fall I because I don't think honestly. I don't think there's a lot of you know information there But I do think with the UFOs all the documentation of of and the investigations that took place of unknown sightings um But it's still gonna not convince people that we're not holding on to you know crashed right spaceships Well, when you've got guys like David Grush, you know who's the whistleblower that comes out says not only do we have These ships, but we have biological entities.

2:42:00Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. Well then You know, maybe explain yourself a little more right right you've already come out You kind of like open the air come on over a little bit like you know Fucking say what do you know and then put it to rest? Maybe you got an obligation to do that right? I mean, I think you want to do according to him. Yeah, but He has to get clearance He's already yeah, he's already pushed that door open, right? I mean, I don't know as an individual right He explained on the podcast that he's authorized to say what he's already said, but nothing more and he has to be very careful Then again, it's like how do I know?

2:42:34Yeah, I know that's not horseshit. I know It's and that's and that's the problem and that's gonna be the problem with the release of the files is also It's just gonna be a scare some sort of a government propulsion system that's like 50 years ahead of anything we could imagine That's how I would do it. I'd obscure it by saying oh, there's some fucking alien technology that's available And yeah, we don't really know how to use it But they do visit us from time to time and occasionally they crash They came over to New Jersey. Yeah, the drones over New Jersey right now the Trump administration said those were They were running some tests.

2:43:03Those were hours. Yeah. Yeah, so why wouldn't the Biden administration say that what the hell? Yeah, I mean what's what's good? No, maybe you should tell me well, I do know but I'm not I'm not authorized to say We got to get you in a skim. Yeah, but I know some stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I just can't say the stuff Anyway, listen Mike. It's always great to talk to you. Thank you. Thank you I always tell everybody about your show where they can watch it. Oh, thank you Yeah, and listen to the presidential briefing. I can't think of a way I'm more rather spend my 20th wedding anniversary than right here You want to go out to dinner?

2:43:37So yeah, there is a daily brief with Mike Baker subscribe YouTube Presidents daily brief on YouTube. That's very easy to listen to 20 minutes in the morning 10 minutes in the afternoon We we just cover the news. We don't tell you how to think about it It's a top stories happening around the globe and I like the idea that it's not it's not an opinion show I mean occasionally something sneaks in but for the most part we try to keep it based on the facts And it's really simple. It's and you can find it again at President's Daily Brief on YouTube Or really for something like that today Well, you know, it's doing really well because I think people actually want that nowadays And they also like the they like the brevity of it right nobody wants to listen to me for well, I don't hours but anyway I just did and we just did All right, thank you.

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