#2277 - Woody Harrelson

46:32Yeah, no, that's a little different I'm talking about like ancient Egypt you're talking about I'm talking about yeah Turkey, you know I'm talking about like go backly Tappy and these ancient structures they found that are absolutely 11 ,000 plus years old where people are supposed to be just hunter and gatherers and that we had thought up until you know last 40 or 50 years that society emerged around 6 ,000 years ago in Mesopotamia what he believes is that that is a Reemergence of society and that society had already reached a very high level of sophistication around 12 ,000 years ago And that's something happens some sort of gigantic cataclysm and reset things but Graham is also an enthusiast of ayahuasca in the power of psychedelic medicine and he has often said that To run governments it should be mandatory that you have psychedelic sessions, right?

47:25You should probably do it publicly Fuck down, you know, I mean imagine getting Lindsey Graham fucked up on mushrooms and then filming and then we'd love to see it It would be amazing I would give to see that. Oh, it would be nice if they had a little more because It's almost those drugs that you're talking about are just like it's like the universal God's little helper. Yeah, I hope you see how the world really works Yeah, that's a little helper the elucary nature of what it is for experiencing. Yeah, and to come from the heart. Yes Yeah, yeah This episode is brought to you by Buffalo trace distillery actually have some Buffalo trace cigars here They just sent me one of the world's most award -winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years Made as a tribute to the rugged free spirited pioneers who blaze their own trail to new frontiers It embodies the perfectly Untamed spirit of independence.

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51:12You know, I could just tell you could just feel it, you know And then and then I thought what are you What you've got nothing that tells you that that's true, you know Other than maybe you're jealous because he's more handsome than you are so never in any way until I go up How you know it any smiles and I'm like this guy's incredible, you know like you just all you need to do Sometimes it just Generate a smile on that other person who you think's an asshole's face and suddenly they're they're a kid You know, it's suddenly you're in a different you're you're using your kid juice to Interact well, that's like the important of the importance of charisma right because a person isn't exactly who they are They're who they are when they interact with you and however you interact with them Will affect the way they interact with you.

52:07It's not it's a two -way street most sort of interactions If they see a frown on your face and inevitably there's a frown on their face inevitably. Yeah, yeah But it smiles generates miles and if you think about it that is the Easiest energy generating thing. Yeah, it is another person smile sure and getting you to smile and common ground You know and I think we have that's the problem with the media and with Political ideologies is that there's no currency in common ground the currency is all in division That's where you can gain the most momentum get the most people on your side You have to say the other people are the enemy common ground is much more common most people agree most people Want to be safe.

52:58They want to be healthy. They want to be happy. They want to have friends They want to have a good time. They want a nice family. They want to be loved. They want to have love That's most people and they think that the other people are trying to prevent that instead of just accentuating those Important factors and saying we should all concentrate on that and then we should all look at things that prevent that What are the things that prevent happiness and love and health and let's let's all work collectively together to eliminate those aspects of our society Yeah, the problem is you don't make a lot of profit doing that, you know The profit is in the division The media does push the divide for sure.

53:39The media is bullshit They're first of all they're dying. They're dying like AM radio. They're not gonna make it They're not gonna make it the the internet is more compelling and independent journalism is more accurate and it's gonna be more That's not a subjective vantage point Joe It's certainly subjective Yeah, it's certainly all your management is subjective. Yes everything subjective. It's definitely subjective But I listen, I think they're very good people that work in journalism I think they're very good people that work at the New York Times and the Washington Post and even in CNN I know them.

54:13I know people that work at CNN. I like them. I know people that work at the New York Times and I like them very much The problem is the institution and the institution is based on profit and where do you get your money? Well, you get a lot of your money from pharmaceutical drug companies from NGOs there's funding from all these different political groups and It's that's the problem the problem is enormous entities that need incredible amounts of capital in order to stay relevant and In doing so what's crazy is if you're in the information business? Well, you can't be accurate You cannot be accurate about the distribution of information if your profits are based on you pushing a bullshit narrative Because those are the people that are supporting you so therefore they're not gonna make it like it's like you see the writing on the wall It's like this is not tenable.

55:04You're not gonna be able to continue this you're gonna either have to adjust course Are you gonna be swallowed and that's what you people that like people realize that now with the internet? When you got people like Matt Taibe and Michael Schellenberger and Glenn Greenwald respected journalists who are now on the outside and so now they The mass this huge following on the outside because you know if you go to Glenn Greenwald He's gonna tell you what's actually going on why are we invading this why are we bombing this kind of what's going on and he'll tell you It all goes back to 2013 when this was passed and this is what happened and they tried to do this and this is what we're trying to do because there's oil here There's minerals there and like oh fuck and so but most people don't have the time to do that kind of a deep dive So you turn on CNN and CNN's a safe and effective heavy got your nice booster get your nice booster The fucking anchors are blacking on on TV and it's like wow Like it's there in a trap.

56:07They're in a trap first of all They're in a trap because of the actual Format of the show sucks right format of television show suck. You have three talking heads yelling each other Five minutes before commercial everyone's trying to get a sound bite that goes viral and then you cut to a commercial by the Anti -depressants and then you come back You come back and there's a flood and there's fucking Detroit's frozen You see that shouldn't Detroit Well, they had a flood and then it froze and so you got cars like up to the fucking windshield Frozen solid in the streets and car alarms going off. I haven't seen that yeah, it happened yesterday There was some sort of a water main line broke Probably because of the cold and then the streets flooded and then those streets when they flooded then they froze and so all these Cars like literally up to the windshield stuck it.

56:57See if you can find it. It's crazy to look at like and look at this entire streets filled oh my god and if you watch a video of it all the car alarms are going off So the car alarms are going off and all the cars are frozen give me so you can hear it if you Yeah, put your I The cars getting crunched so the cars are getting disturbed so they're getting crunched the cars think that people are breaking into them Minus 70 as if Detroit doesn't have enough fucking problems. Oh my poor Detroit Yeah, crazy. Yeah, but Detroit's been doing so well. Yeah, just it's really I went there not long ago It was phenomenal.

57:47They're gonna come back. Wow. They're what a fun place like well You know what artists kind of take it over just became it's it's pretty groovy artists and artisans and companies that are like proud like Shineola That's my buddy Tom Carchotis. Yeah, you know, no, I don't but I was one of the great humans on this planet Yeah, he started China. Yeah, China is a great company. It's a great company. I want to talk about incredible guy They make awesome stuff. They make great watches great stuff, but made in Detroit like proudly. Yeah, yeah, and they got the The record player that he did with you know Mike why Mike You know the Mike white no Jack white.

58:34Oh, I knew that wasn't right. I couldn't Mike white makes white Yeah, no Jack white. Yeah, and they also do vinyl they make all these vine Those guys do cool stuff, man. Yeah, well I know last time I was in Detroit I did the Fox Theater and I saw a lot of that too a lot of like small shops and cool places and Because real estate's cheap so people are like moving in and artists are doing things. It's fun It's like a little bit of a revival Absolutely got fucked by the auto industry. Well, I have for sure more profiteering Right, send all the fucking jobs out the country's because you can get people to work for slave labor.

59:12Yeah Mebb and now they're dealing with this With this incredible ice flood. Yeah, I think that's a small isolated area, but still pretty fucked. Yeah God, big are you still an LA What are you I'm in Austin right here with you? You live though. What do you spend most your time? No, I I live in Austin. Oh, do you I live in Austin? I didn't know you lived here Yeah, I live in the drip. Oh nice dripping springs is great. I love it out there That's a nice place. That's a nice area. No, I've been I'm determined you and I gonna have to hang out Let's do it socially. I would love to do that. Let's do it.

59:55Yeah. Yeah, fuck yeah, okay You know, feel just like you're back against the world Call me to the corner the morning. We'll meet you somewhere. I'll bring you down to my comedy club. Oh Yeah What's your phone comedy mother ship? Yeah, I'd like to do that. It's fun. It's a great place My buddy Jimmy Doors there this weekend who's also great and he's filming his comedy special there this weekend Yeah, Jimmy Door is amazing. He is another guy that's risen as an independent journalist He's a comedian and he started his show Basically just making fun of political things and then during the pandemic got vaccine injured and really got kind of red -pilled and kind of became like the voice of truth and reason and You know another guy has been completely outcast by supposedly progressive people for just telling the truth the inconvenient truth You're inking me.

1:00:54Yeah, but yeah, I guess the progressives are they now the conservatives? We got to change the term because yeah Progressives seem a lot less progressive. Yeah, and I really felt quite you know, I think I co -op thing I felt quite yeah I think they got co -opted and I think it was on purpose I think there was there was some very sophisticated Psychological manipulation that was involved and a lot of money was being spent in order to push some very specific narratives and They did a great job of it, you know, they get a did a great job But but we're finding out because of the Department of government efficiency that most of this was funded by our own tax dollars Which is really fucking crazy a lot of these NGOs that supported a lot of these crazy riots and all these different things that were happening in our cities Was really supported by our own tax dollars and it's it's just it was just a subversion of public discourse You know instead of allowing people to figure out what's right what's wrong They pushed what they wanted you to say and anybody who deviated from that was canceled and because of the fact that before Elon bought Twitter The left had complete total control over the narrative because they owned all the social media sites and they were in lockstep with the government so it was just a Dark time for information, but a few brave people you know brave the storm and one of them was Jimmy Oh, that's good.

1:02:19It's a good. He's great. You would love him shout out to him. He's great Well, you know, I remember when the the guy was Remember that guy. I think they were London maybe but it was the guy who was I think the We're directed one portion of Pfizer and he met with some guy and he had a body cam That the other guy had a body cam. It was like a date on tenders Oh, it was like when those progeny fans are trying to work James O 'Keeh things. Did you not see it? I'm sure I did, but this is the perfect example of how the the trusted news initiative managed to a lot of news just never got to people because The guy had a body cam and it's talking to him and and the guy who works for Pfizer's and they've just had a meeting talking about how they could weaponize these other viruses in order to basically create another pandemic to create so that they would have the vaccine to address it and Make more money which is not a surprising thing that they would be discussing But what was great was he admitted it to the guy while they're sitting there at a little diner It's always chat and can but no but the main thing, huh?

1:03:37It's always chatty gay guys It's always a guy on a date with another guy It's like I'll tell you what we're doing It's like they just chatted up, but the incredible thing like he got this stuff that he said was incredible What was more incredible? He told the guy basically that he'd been filming him the guy freaks out anyway This should have been across every possible platform of media of course and yet you did not see it zero in mainstream media but Because musket but Twitter must put it on and immediately got 40 million views and also What's his name Tucker Carlson put it on and then there was a lot of views that way But other than that, but if you ask your average person they never heard of this incident.

1:04:24Yeah, it's like an amazing thing talking about What's the term for that the weaponization of a virus? Do you know he's looking at a term for the weaponization of a virus? Yeah Anyway, they they do it, but that's what they think That they were doing and And we'll find out 100 % they were weaponizing well That was why you would get banned off of all these social media platforms if you even brought that up I mean it used to be if you brought that up on YouTube you get pulled from YouTube Now it's right now it's a fact now it's a He said are now fact everything every single one of them the fact that it doesn't stay look the injection doesn't stay locally that it Infects various parts of your body in different ways if it gets to your heart it's very dangerous because your heart doesn't have the ability to heal Which is why you don't get heart cancer so your heart just scars over and you get myocarditis He started talking about all these different effects and and he personally was vaccine injured So he's a guy who took it almost had a fucking heart attack was like what is going on his whole body freaked out It was deadly sick managed to get through it then start speaking out against it then started doing more research and finding out what was going on And then that was the collective freak out well It's it's in You know it's incredible that So many people were injured and yet it's still kind of not Widely disgusting.

1:06:02I think people are discussing it more people are discussing it now, but it's still it's still There's a lot of people that don't want to bring it up because they don't want the heat They saw what happened to people that did bring it up and they don't want that coming their way It's still fresh in their memory and they keep their mouth shut Yeah, but over time did you find out what it was called weapons? No, no, it's just a term for huh a term. I don't know what the term is anyway Doesn't matter. Yeah, it's just I don't know it's a crazy time in this world. Yeah But crazy times are fun too Because people snap out of it they pop through it they come out on the other side and they go what the fuck was going on and then you have Reexamining of society and I think that's happening right now and I think that's a good thing As long as people keep their cool and they don't go tribal you can't go tribal you can't go us versus them They're the bad guys the fucking all those people blue hair those fucking pieces shit.

1:07:04No, they're Sad lost people that's what it is sad lost angry people that think they have to lash out at the other for the problems That is really caused by gigantic corporations and the exchange of money Yeah, yeah, we always comes down. Hey, yeah follow the money Yeah, follow that always cheese It's always the money and it's never enough. It's a So weird thing about us and again, I think Part of the problems is lack of Methods to escape And I don't mean escape reality. I mean to escape the the the fog the fog of propaganda and That's I mean that's literally why all that stuff was made illegal in 1970 Richard Nixon was trying to stop the anti -war effort in the civil rights movement That's why they turned the schedule one when they sweeping schedule one Prohibition act of of all psychedelic drugs.

1:08:03That's what that was about It wasn't about protecting society if it was they would got rid of oxy cotton They would have got rid of they've got a got rid of addictive painkillers and vikin in percuss sets They would they never got rid of any of that stuff got rid of big Macs for that matter. Yeah See oh, I know listen Hey, you love me, but can we say big Macs are not the greatest thing for you? No, they're not great. They're not great for you, but I feel like you should be able to eat a big Mac if you want to I feel like you should have a little bit of you want to I wouldn't care if you shot up right now That's what I'm saying don't get rid of big Macs, but don't eat them every day.

1:08:38You fucking idiot It's like I say about Doritos people like oh, they got to we should get Doritos off note Doritos as they are are a Perfect snack. They're delicious, but they're fucking terrible for you just like cigarettes just like whiskey They're terrible for you, but in the moment they're great the key is recover and then don't do it every day That's the key the key to all things is moderation all things did Which you give me this speech like 20 And some precipice after 21. I started I Can became a moderate, you know in fact, I didn't even smoke pot until I was 21. I didn't smoke pot three.

1:09:26Oh really yeah Well, I thought it was gonna turn you into a loser Yeah, I bought into all of it. I grew up with a lot of people that are drug problems and I Wanted to succeed in life, and I was my biggest fear was being a loser You know just someone who just never got their shit together, and I was like well Anything that gets in the way of being successful and being healthy and happy avoid that and now what it point Did you say to yourself? I'm definitely not a loser? There's no chance of me being a loser. Oh, I don't know if you ever think I guess I think that now But I think you are doing sometimes that and say I'm I'm a loser Well, I definitely think I'm very hyper critical Self -critical so I've you know I battle against that because I think that's something that anybody who Strives to be successful battles against you always feel like you could do more, you know But there's a balance what being doing more and being happy and enjoying yourself But also accomplishing things you want to do feeling fulfilled, you know Having worthwhile goals things that you think are valuable not just to you but valuable to other people Yeah, yeah, and then do you feel like you?

1:10:43Yeah, I feel like that now Yeah, but I don't think about it honestly because I think if you think about it then you get lost You then you get like look over and I am you know you can get really lost in success where you you get intoxicated by that too So I think you just got to kind of exist You got to kind of exist and not feed your insecurities, but also Don't feed any delusions of grandeur either, you know Just be a person just learn how to be a human being But that's got to be hard for you, dude because I mean you're at the tip -by -top of the tip -by -top And everybody's got to be kissing your ass and telling you how great you are It's got to be hard to not allow your ego to Dictate things, you know, yeah, I don't know I stomp my ego pretty good I do it with workouts.

1:11:40I do it with martial arts I do it with cold plunging and so on as I put myself through voluntary Adversity it's pretty fucking brutal and that's my best way to achieve like a Homeostasis. That's my best way to achieve like a balance Is that I put myself through way more than Life ever gives me so that I'm always you know, I get it, you know, you're always vulnerable You're always weak. You're always you're always late. There's always something So as long as you confront that all the time all the time and keep your mind Healthy and balanced and have a healthy perspective, you know, there's a lot of like New AG sort of bullshit terms that unfortunately have been co -opted by silly people, you know and but a lot of those like They're very important like gratitude gratitude is a really important quality that people should have, you know Mindfulness is a really important quality that people should have But these things are co -opted by goofy people that where wouldn't be and what I want you to join their cult You know, it's like they want you to think that they're special and they're particularly spiritual, you know and so unfortunately Really good concepts are often tainted by silly people, you know like love and God and a lot of the things that It'll really like beneficial to us as a society they get co -opted by goofy people like how many people have been turned off by religion by watching mega Pastors in these huge churches Flying around a private jets and driving of Rolls Royces like oh, well, this is all bullshit.

1:13:26Yeah Yeah, you you Had a couple of jokes. No, good. Do you think that do you think I mean I'm curious I must know I must have heard you talk about this But what is your your concept of religious? I mean do you do you have a specific religion that you adhere to? Not necessarily I'm not in favor of any restrictive religions. I'm not in favor of any religions that punish people That don't follow them and I'm not in favor of any religions that that Force a very rigid structure on people that has to be adhered to or your a sinner or cast out or I Think that most religious experience I think most religion is based on human beings very unique experiences that are provided enlightenment and they're trying to Express that enlightenment to other people and I think the problem with religious stories are That people are full of shit and a lot of those stories suck You know a lot of those stories are probably Distorted by the hand of man, but I think You know, I'm of the school of thought that a lot of the religious experiences that people talk about were Probably inspired by psychedelic experiences and you know, there's a great book called the Sacred Mushroom in the Cross by John Marco Allegro do you know about that book?

1:15:06I've heard of it, but I never read it. Yeah, it's a great book But it's very hard to follow because it's very unless you understand Aramaic unless you understand the translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls like Aramaic Are you really yeah, I got Aramaic I got obviously French I Had to learn Spanish when I was working construction in Houston and then Yeah, I got Some of that microphone push that microphone out. I got some of the click language is oh really no I only speak only English come on. Yeah Well the John Marco Allegro book he he was an ordained minister But he was one of the people that was assigned to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls and he did it over the course of I think I was about 14 years and He then he wrote this book because it was his belief and he was a very straight -laced scholar He wasn't a psychedelic enthusiast But he believed that the entire Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals And he thinks that a lot of these stories that their origins come from that And yeah, and he believed that a lot of it was the amity to miscarry a mushroom Which is a very confusing mushroom because a lot of people have a hard time tripping on it They don't know exactly then it turns me can't believe that The problem was that it was it the the psychedelic compounds and it varied regionally and genetically and that it what they weren't all the same and that a lot of these people that were having these Experiences were not It really depended upon where you get them from and how you got them and how you treated it and a lot of that information was lost and also like there's certain Religious ceremonies that involved very mysterious things like Soma, you know Soma from the the ancient Hindu texts They they don't know what was in there.

1:17:03They don't know what it was But it seems like it was some sort of a psychedelic compound whether it was a blue lotus and psilocybin or a combination of many things You know like the a listen in mysteries where you know in ancient Greece They believe that that was ergot that ergot was mixed in with the wine ergot, which is a very similar Experience to LSD Oh, yeah, there's a great book on that too if you never read it. It's called The immortality key by a scholar named Brian Murerescu who's a brilliant guy who's been on the podcast a couple times But he's done a lot of like really legitimate work on Proving that these vessels these wine containers that they had from these ancient time They found trace elements of ergot in these wine vessels and they know that wine back then was not just Fermented grapes they would add a bunch of things to the wine and so party please.

1:17:59Yeah, so these Experiences that people would have they would go to the illicit and I went there when I was in Greece a couple years ago And it's an amazing place man when you're there like it feels weird when you go to The place where they had these psychedelic rituals like the place has a bizarre memory that you feel when you're there You like because you can literally walk on the grounds where they had these rituals And you're there and you're like whoa this place feels wild It's just like I you know my parents my my kids rather were like what's wrong? I'm like I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm just like it's I'm weirded out by this place like I feel it I feel like a bizarre connection with this place like it feels alive Like it's like it's a humming or something.

1:18:43It was very weird Very weird. I was touching the rocks and just trying to like feel like what's going on here? It's like you got a thousands of years ago These people were just tripping balls and inventing democracy right here. It's very spot You know it's literally the roots of democracy. They had to be tripping to think something so bold as democracy Yeah, I mean it literally it is Literally what we were talking about like if you want something that accentuates compassion and this this sense of a family and brotherhood and sisterhood that we're all together in this thing What better than psychedelic drugs?

1:19:22Yeah, and That's why they're illegal It gets in the way gets in the way of this us versus them narrative that is so prevalent in our goofy society It's detached from these sacred compounds Yeah, there herb you know it really is a unifying thing I've always from the first time I tried it, you know, I just felt such bonnet, you know, yeah such Compassion to everybody around me. Yeah, makes you kinder. Huh? It makes you kinder makes you kinder. Yeah That's what I call a kind bud Kind but it's probably what they call it that I have a little of that kind But yeah, no, I like the uh The image of it.

1:20:08It's just a unifier, you know And so that's what makes me wonder why does Texas not just say hey, let's open the doors to this It's not a bad thing. Yeah, you could have the best cafes in Austin. I know Yeah, well, it's weird because there's certain weed here that's legal What is it delta nine? Is that the legal stuff or delta eight? Which one it's weird It's weird because it's like pretty much just weed. Yeah, I never got into that stuff though It's just a different version of the plant. They didn't get you high. Oh, yeah does really? Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, I get you some oh, yeah I don't know what they do it was you can't add a yeah, I don't know What they're doing.

1:20:55I don't know how they're doing it, but somehow another they're scurting around the rules And developing something that is basically the same delta nine Yeah, it's basically like weeds twin sister that has different genetics I don't know I don't understand it I heard they're trying to Work out a thing where they there's no more that those exceptions here. Oh, well that would suck the legislature That's goofy. I mean, there's plenty of things to concentrate on why concentrate on that It's just it's a dumb rule. It's a dumb rule. That's mostly Mostly enforced by people who don't know what the experience is they have a distorted idea what the experience is And they think it's just gonna make people losers Well also, it's being mandated from people with different kinds of You know, desires and a lot of it financial but You know anything that does you know, I consider a crime anything I do that hurts you or your property Yeah, otherwise there's no crime.

1:21:59Yeah, I agree. Yeah Yeah, I agree and I think we got to get past that I think there's just a lot of people that recognize that What they did in the 1970s was very effective they threw water on the entire Psychedelic movement and the civil rights movement and the anti -war movement and they they did it by banning a lot of these compounds that were changed in the way people thought about life and you know like the whole Piece love and hippie movement of the 1960s was all inspired by psychedelic drugs all of it Right, and it was a revolutionary complete change of society from 1950 to 1960 I mean 10 years things became the music and culture became almost Unrecognizable it could change so radically and I think it was terrifying to the powers that be and Unfortunately the propaganda that they pushed just like the propaganda that we saw during the covid times and propaganda that you have whenever there's a war that that propaganda is sticky that stuff sticks It sticks around for a long time and unless you have viable representations of opposing narratives that are really effective It's very hard for people to change their perspective on things without a personal experience Right, and most of these people that are like you know straight laced, you know, no nonsense type folks They don't want to smoke weed.

1:23:23I'm gonna ruin my brain You know, I've heard like legitimate scientists say I would never want to interfere with the way my brain works Okay, do you drink coffee shut the fuck up What are you talking about what are you talking about do you exercise what do you do what do you do do you eat good food There's a lot of things that the change the way your brain works. This is a dumb way to look You really want your doctor looking healthy. You don't want to walk in see some obese, you know Having heart trouble breathing type of guy. Yeah, you know, it's gonna give you your Advice well, that was one of the most fast things about covid when I was talking to dr.

1:24:00Peter Hotez Who's an overweight guy who eats junk food and he's telling me everybody's got to get vaccinated and like Are you healthy like are you healthy because you don't see do you work out like do you eat well? Do you take vitamins? No? No, no, no, none of those things, but you think that like Chemicals that the only way that you're gonna get healthy is from a laboratory and an injection That doesn't seem real that seems crazy The whole notion is to bolster your immune systems response to this specific item, right? But so well if your immune system's strong, right you really have nothing to fear If you're in one systems a week You have also a lot to fear by taking a vaccine that can With with this these this reason one And it actually hurts the immune system in the arms the immune system especially with repeated doses You get vaccinated should don't people get vaccinated.

1:25:00I don't think so. Yeah, I mean the problem was also any sort of I mean This is dr. Birx is now I mean admitting this when she's being questioned is that they they stopped any Early treatments that weren't the vaccine and that they probably shouldn't have done that and that a lot of people could have been saved because of that And that's true and then that's something that people need to That's one of the best aspects of Bobby's book Bobby Kennedy's book the real Anthony Fauci is like yeah understand Like what pressures were put on these organizations to Stifle and completely stop the the prescription Use of a bunch of different things hydroxychloroquine ivermectin Also like the studies that were done on vitamin D deficiencies and how that impacted immune systems and just Sunlight exercise diet the all those things play a critical factor and how well your immune system functions The idea that the only way your immune system functions at its peak is you got to stick a fucking metal pin Fill with a solution that gets plunged into your tissue.

1:26:08That's the only way It's the only way Woody yeah, you got to shove a fucking needle in your arm like what You make a great point because it's like, you know, why didn't we hear from america's doctor Fauci or who the other Representatives on medical industry maybe eat less You know sugar. Yeah, maybe eat less fast food maybe exercise. There was no other directive. No take the vaccine No, you won't need direct didn't want a fat shame so they never told anybody to lose weight Which is one of the major comorbidities that affected people negatively. Yeah, yeah Bill marrow is on to that really yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

1:26:52So weird weird times, but again, I have hope Yeah, me too man, I'm excited of everything. I have hope Well, because I believe in people generally, you know like You know like this people who in california and new york they look at taxes is like, you know this Lost state, you know, I mean greatest people in the world. Yeah greatest kindest nicest people. Yeah But you may not want to talk about certain subjects, you know, I mean yeah So yeah, just avoid those subjects you get along And even the subjects that you you're supposed to avoid why why are we avoiding them? Well, I agree I'd like to talk about any subject.

1:27:40Yeah, I like it little healthy, you know, yeah Debate also, I want to know why you think the way you think if you think totally different than me I want to sit down with you and I want to give you all the room in the world to say what you think I want to know how you came to those conclusions. I want to know what your childhood was like I want to know like what what experiences have you had that led you to have these like concrete evaluations of the way society is that are so different than mine That's a great compassionate vantage point. That's what we really lacked. Yeah We need that. Yeah, you need to sit down with people that you don't agree with and find out and oftentimes they fall apart That's just the fascinating thing.

1:28:25Given up for room He's keep talking to him. They fall apart You know one of the weirdest conversations I had on this podcast was talking to dr. Sanjay Gupta from CNN They sent him over here to fucking straight me out and you know by the end of it This was very bizarre conversation by the end of it. He was essentially agreeing with me I had heard that he didn't think you should necessarily vaccinate. I thought he was a little more progressive Well, he's smart But he's also working for CNN and you know, he's also a neurosurgeon. So he's you know Yeah, he's a bright guy He's just like captured by the system and that's that's part of the problem But there was a lot of things that didn't make any sense like one of the ones where he wanted me to get vaccinated after I'd recovered from COVID Yeah, like did I COVID shouldn't that be the reason I'm already vaccinated basically?

1:29:15Yeah Well, I'd recovered from COVID in three days. It wasn't hard at all And that's when I got hit that's when everybody came after me was because I was a bad example Because I was healthy and that was giving people bad information by telling them all the things that I took to get better Which is really weird and then they they focused on this one thing which was ivermectin I told I let a read a laundry list of stuff that I took IV vitamins NAD ivermectin Monoclonal antibodies. I talked about all the different stuff that my doctor put me on and I was better in three days And then what's the end do they they turned my face yellow They they put a filter on the video to make me look sick and They start talking about me taking horse paste which is crazy.

1:29:59They said I was taking a veterinary medicine Yeah, the ivermectin yeah They suddenly calling it that in spite of it treating you know millions of humans Millions of millions of prescriptions have been filled Billions billions of times human beings have taken out of the guy who invented it in the statue at the WHO I mean that's why because he invented ivermectin He won the Nobel Prize that was an interesting thing how they made these other drugs, you know Negative yeah, it was a chloro hydroxychloro hydroxychloro is another nivermectin which are have Which some legitimate doctors found to be effective, you know From a way we bring it up and then you couldn't even get it yeah Like suddenly they made it ungetable.

1:30:49Yeah, well you couldn't get it from Walgreens They wouldn't prescribe it for you unless you had like some sort of Malaria or something yeah, you you'd have to have or some sort of a parasite I mean, that's why you know they said it was a dewormer because it was anti -paracetic But when I said it to Sanjay Gupta I go but yes, but it's also been shown to stop viral replication and vitro And I said you know that right and you can see this is just looking at this face like oh shit Because that's a fact like they've studied viral replication You you use ivermectin petri dishes. It stops viral replication the fact Like that there's studies on this like this.

1:31:30It's also it's like one of the most safe Drugs known demand. It's like the safety profiles incredible And this idea that like rolling stones Printing articles that people are having overdoses from ivermectin and people can't get into the emergency room Because of gunshot wounds They even showed a photograph of a bunch of people outside of an emergency room wearing winter coats in august because it was a photograph of people waiting in line to get a flu shot It was a bullshit photograph that fucking rolling stone published Like this is so wild to watch because it's not just propaganda. It's really shitty propaganda Because it's not much truthful they can say that would go against this stuff So they have to just say it's horse dewormer You're a fool you're taking horse dewormer But what they didn't understand is at the time They didn't understand the the median the the media landscape They thought they were still huge But they didn't understand like an average video on my show was like 10 times bigger than their show It's just we weren't talking about it.

1:32:35We're not saying it So they still thought they were CNN. They were gonna crush this rebellion against this One specific thing that you had to do which was get vaccinated Right Fucking remember when George went when Biden rather was on television who's talking about the hurricane was coming Most important thing when the hurricane is coming is get vaccinated Everything's harder if you're not vaccinated Yeah, well All that money they gave those guys they gave them a lot of money. They got they had to do something Yeah, pay back is wild though It's gonna affect their ability to make money in the future.

1:33:15That's for sure. Especially CNN Yeah, they all take a hit honestly. I won't miss these other Organizations and I'm alright. I watch them every now and then they they lost my My confidence. Yeah yours and most people. Yeah, I think that's good You know I do I think that's just uh it's it's healthy That's the human mental immune system Weeding out pathogens That's true the media you take in can certainly be a pathogen yeah, it is but again There's a lot of cool shit out there You know, it's like you can concentrate on that or you can concentrate on how much cool music there is now How much great comedy there is now many great movies there are now there's plenty of things to concentrate on it's like There's just the problem is there's a lot of people their business is division Yeah, yeah Yeah, what's that Uh Some politics and religion causing more division But it's really yeah government and media because really money.

1:34:25It's really money If there was no money in politics and there was no money in pharmaceutical drugs and there's no money in war We'd we live in a much better place Uh Your lips to God's ears on that yeah It's just we have to move closer to that somehow or another And whether Bobby Kennedy can help us along those lines and all these other people that are trying very hard to Stomp out a lot of this bullshit that we've been experiencing for so long hopefully Yeah, I mean Bobby I Really hope he's able to do some good things because he's certainly a man on a mission and a man who cares deeply yeah Uh, and I think really heroic how much he stood up for Uh Things that he didn't need to talk about you know that didn't help him in any way, you know Just he just took one arrow after the other over it and not to me even if he was wrong which I don't think he was Then it's heroic to do that yeah Yeah, and he wasn't wrong the thing is like I was I was a victim of that propaganda and I told them that when I met him and I had him on the show I said I always thought you were a cook I it always heard I bought into it I just had this sort of cursory examination of what people are saying about you like Oh, that guy doesn't believe in vaccines.

1:35:45He's a nut. He's a some sort of an anti -science nut It was just a conspiracy theorist He's just like all these other nutty people Right and then I read his book and I was like okay, well this book is real. Why isn't he getting sued? If it's not real if it's not real. Why is he getting sued? Why if all these things he's saying about Anthony Fauci during the AIDS crisis if that's not true Why is he not getting sued? I would sue the fuck out of him if he lied about me and so that I was Vaccinating foster kids with experimental drugs that were killing them I would I would sue you if that was not true.

1:36:17Hey, you fucking liar. I never did that. This is a lie You can't prove but it's not a lie And if it was a lie it gets sued if being truth they just ignored it. Yeah, but man that is a A heavy tone. Yeah. Oh my god There's some info in there just blew my mind. Yeah, like the way Fauci Was able to get these Principal investigators from like all these respectable colleges and put them on these committees that ended up saying Yeah, this is the vaccine we'll use this is the We use AZT. He started with the AZT. Oh, yeah, and You know AZT was known to be a highly toxic really ineffective drug Yeah, and of course, but it was that was the one they picked and so they started using that again And I don't know how many people that killed that killed friends of mine, you know AZT was very toxic and they finally had to yank it.

1:37:16Yeah, and now they use different chemical cocktails, but Like the Fauci did some extraordinarily evil shit. Yeah, he was what he did He was the villain of the Dallas -Bieres Club that movie that was about people trying to seek alternative treatments to deal with AIDS Oh, right, right. Yeah, that's Fauci right, right, right. That's AZT. Yeah, yeah magic Johnson got on AZT and he was killing him and he got off of it Yeah Yeah, yeah, and he's still alive and he's still alive. Yeah, yeah It's a It's a bomber. It's just a bummer that someone had that kind of power for so long. It was such a fucking monster Did you see that little meme that went around and it was right after he got First time anyone ever got pre -partened Yeah, and he said nothing says tr - nothing says trust science like a blanket pre -parten.

1:38:15Yeah picture Fauci Well the problem with that pre -parten is he's pre -partened federally, but he's not pre -partened state -wise He states can still sue him not only that be when you're pardoned then you can no longer Eplead the fifth so you could be helpful for perjury So there's there's a lot of issues with being pardoned that I don't think Biden took into consideration or Fauci took into consideration either I think they just he just wanted anything to protect him because he knew it was common He knew that they had I mean just the emails that were available that showed collusion Where they he had gotten a hold of all these different researchers and changed their their perspective on whether or not it was a lab leak Because through eco -health alliance they had funded gain -of -function research after a function that's what I was telling you Yeah, yeah, go ahead But gain -of -function is essentially taking a virus and making it more Infectious to human beings weaponizing the virus.

1:39:12Yeah, yeah The idea is supposedly to study it, but if you're studying it and you don't have a fucking cure You've been studying this shit for so long and you don't have a cure like what are you actually doing? Well, you're doing weapons research You know, this is one of the things that Bobby's talked about with Lyme disease You know or they try to get him on Lyme disease which is a very funny Grilling they say did you say that Lyme disease was a uh a leaked bio weapon. He was I probably did I He did Plum island they were fucking researching whether or not they could infect bugs Fleees and ticks and then dump them on populations to overwhelm their medical system And they use it as a bio weapon so we can invade easier.

1:39:55Yeah, they did that With the masters of war yeah, but yeah, that's a funny way a good a good impersonation by the way. It's not hard Yeah, unfortunately For Bobby I mean it really science wanted to come fix his fucking voice man Is if that guy had his old voice he'd be a lot more powerful It's like the people dismiss him because his voice is hard. It's hard to listen to sometimes. Yeah, and that condition He has you would think there'd be some way to address it. I don't know well he believes that condition came from the flu vaccine Oh, it's a side effect of flu vaccines. You should take a flu vaccine every year and so he developed this uh this Voice problem and he believes it's a vaccine injury which is very ironic.

1:40:40Wow. Yeah Ain't no that yeah Yeah, those fucking things don't work either those things not and he's talked about that like even if it protects you from that one flu It makes you many more times more likely to catch other things He we're fucking around with complex systems inside human bodies with pharmaceutical drugs that have been The way they've studied them is filled with shenanigans They might do 10 studies and one of them shows effectiveness because they've rigged the study in a certain way And then they like he explained to me that the reason why they could say it's a hundred percent effective was because One person got it in the vaccine trial and two people got it in the placebo So yeah, that's a hundred percent So 10 You know, yeah One is a hundred percent better than two like what That's great.

1:41:37No, that's not a hundred percent means nobody gets infected you fucking assholes That should be a law that should be a crime to explain things like that. I had this guy on who was um He litigated against pharmaceutical drug companies particularly against viox when they released this anti -inflammatory medication viox and Some 50 to 60 thousand people died from it a friend of mine got a stroke from viox this This guy was saying that when Like when you hear peer reviewed studies when they do a vaccine study They don't or a pharmaceutical drug study. They don't even give the peer reviewers the raw data They give the peer reviewers the data as it's been interpreted by the scientists who work for the pharmaceutical drug companies So they review it and then they give their version of it to these other scientists who are already on the payroll They're all NIH funded everybody's together every is all in the loop everybody's dependent upon whether or not they're going to receive grants and funding It's all based on Fauci and And that's how you find out whether or not something is good or bad.

1:42:48It's all rigged Yeah, and when he was explained I'm like that can't be real then he's explained to us showing us how it works and this It's corrupt. It's fully completely totally corrupt and if anything Bobby can do it's Make sure that we have valid studies valid real peer reviewed studies on everything on everything that people are supposed to be taking Let's find out what the fuck is really good for because it's not like all pharmaceutical drugs are bad A lot of pharmaceutical drugs have helped people save people's lives Enhanced people's lives cure diseases. There's a lot of stuff that's great.

1:43:26Let's find out what it is What's real and what's bad and why why are you profiting off of shit that's killing people That shouldn't be so hard. What do you I'd vote for you, dude? Oh, I don't want to run for nothing And I know it'd be stepped down. Why would you yeah? Well, no, no, no just headache in your life, but I'm just saying I would vote for you Thanks, that's terrifying Yeah You want to have those days where you just have a lion You know what I mean? Not getting up to maybe noon and you can't have that if you were president No, you know get one day like that. No unless you're Biden. I think he slept a lot Let's really the president Maybe yeah, that's what's really wild I don't know man like I said I'm encouraged and I also think things are gonna get really weird with AI I think with AI and especially when AI gets attached to quantum computing.

1:44:24We're gonna have an undeniable Access to truth that's gonna be very Disconcerting to a lot of people we're gonna have a An understanding of the reality of the world that we live in that's gonna be very undeniable and It's gonna be strange and unfortunately there's gonna be a lot of propaganda that's with that too because you know a lot As AI is programmed by people so there'll be a battle of which AI is the most trusted and effective and And then the real fear is that AI governs us Which is probably gonna happen We're probably gonna be gonna do any more effective And the government so far has Really been subpar yeah I mean, I don't I don't look at individual presidents because I just look at like overall the presidents have to bow down and kiss the ring No matter who it is.

1:45:19You're not getting in there. Right. So you know the last guy didn't was probably John Kennedy, you know, but certainly even a guy like Carter who I love you know, I consider the best, you know Everybody has to kiss the ring So he'd kiss it enough. That's what they got rid of me He you know what he did he he he he levy to windfall profits tax on the oil companies because they were gouging They were making so much profit, right? Yeah, which happens all the time, you know whether it be the oil companies or what you're Board the vaccine companies or whatever If this is insane, you know profits that are just you know, they create some fear and then boom Yeah, they make a lot of money and so But he was bold enough to lay this this tax on them for their profit and that's what killed him He was there was no way he was getting another term after that.

1:46:17Yeah It means you try and then it was after that that Oliver North was Vitalin helping to kill that rescue attempt with the helicopter, uh -huh and And also the conscious versus the Santanistas the selling crack in Los Angeles in order to fund all that shit All that stuff was going on the same time. Yeah, absolutely. I totally believe that. Oh, it's fact I had a freeway Ricky Ross the guy who went to jail for it Uh on the podcast a few times. Oh, we see the guy the plane he had the planes and he was Gary Webb that was Gary Webb the guy was flying into me right yeah Sick Gary. Oh, no, Barry seal Gary Webb was the reporter who committed suicide Didn't he shoot himself in the head twice?

1:47:04Yeah, that's right. Barry seal thank you first one would have slowed down the second Yeah a little bit right. Yeah, yeah, he was uh one of the main whistleblowers about that. Yeah, there's um It's a sorted horrible history, but a freeway Ricky Ross was uh unbeknownst to him was selling cocaine funding this war and he didn't even know what was going on till he went to jail He couldn't read went to jail became uh literate and then became a lawyer in jail And then figured out that they tried him on the three strikes rule incorrectly got out of jail And uh, yeah, now he runs weed dispensaries in California Really he's a great guy.

1:47:48Where does he live? He was an LA. Yeah He's a great guy. Connect me to him. I want to meet him. You know Rick Ross the rapper He stole his name from freeway rick Ross. Oh rick Ross was a famous like street gangster This famous street coke dealer who was making millions of dollars a week and couldn't read He was a tennis player a really good tennis player who then used the discipline of being a tennis player to become a very discipline drug dealer Yeah, just like Pfizer discipline drug dealer Yeah, and now he's uh now he's out and wonderful guy to talk to Fun guy like very happy peaceful guy and I mean what a story learn how to read in jail and then realize that they fucked him And then tried his own case and got out Wow, that's impressive.

1:48:42Yeah, amazing amazing My my daughter is a lawyer. She's she's a public defender in Manhattan She loves it. Oh wow. That's cool and says she's helping a lot of people who are at a kind of a pivotal point in their lives where it could just be Yeah, you know, and they can't get her unless they have no money, you know what I mean? So right there are ready and dire straits and She she just she loves helping people That's beautiful. She's she's an incredible Kid I'm so proud of her. That's amazing. That's really that's a beautiful way to live your life And I'm like you're gonna be a lawyer and then it's like oh a lawyer that makes no money bravo bravo Isn't that crazy?

1:49:28We all think like you know lawyers are all evil. No, there's great lawyers my good friend Josh Dupin He used to work for the innocent project now he works with ike pro mutter and we had a bunch of podcasts where we've highlighted Innocent people who were incarcerated and just through this podcast. We've got a bunch of people released That's doing something great. Yeah, I mean he's amazing. He's like completely dedicated his life to Wrongly incarcerated people. What's his name? Josh Dupin. Where's he live? Florida. He was a New York guy a moot, Florida fairly recently Wow. Yeah great guy love him to death and does nothing but great work just helping people just constantly Concentrating all these different cases where it's like You know corrupt DA's corrupt prosecutors corrupt judges.

1:50:19It's like you know, it's it's all over the place Like one of the guys that Biden pardoned was one of the people that was involved in that kids for cash where they were Putting kids in detention centers just for profit. Oh Yeah, you know that story right? I'm not no, I don't know. There was a judge. Was it Pennsylvania? Yeah There's a judge in Pennsylvania that was making millions of dollars through putting kids in detention centers and Ruining kids lives causing suicides deaths So downward spiral of their life like wrongfully detaining them and And doing it for profit. How is he getting a kid getting kickbacks getting kicked back some private prisons Oh from private prison.

1:51:05Yeah for private prisons from prosecutors from I mean I don't know exactly who was funding it, but he was convicted and what he's one of the guys Biden pardoned really It's sick that's a bad part like 8 ,000 people Diddy yeah, he buy he pardoned more more people than anybody Which generally I'm a fan of pardoning people I think most people are incarcerated for far too long. I don't think it rehabilitates people I think it probably makes it more hard and criminals in most of the cases is a few cases where people Decide to take a better path in jail and educate themselves and learn come out a better person I've met a lot of those people And unfortunately I met a lot of those people from Josh Dubin that were wrongly incarcerated and then came out these amazing Incredibly intelligent really well read interesting people because they dedicated themselves to doing that while they were in jail Because they realized like I did not commit this crime.

1:51:59I'm forced into this situation What can I do to make better of my life? I'm here. Well, I'm gonna educate myself. I'm gonna come out a better person That's great. I by the way, I wouldn't mind a pre -pardon Just you do whatever you want I have pre -pardoned it. There's a lot of people that got pre -pardon They're like what how did Adam shift get a pre -pardon? Why is Liz Cheney got a pre -pardon? Like what? What did you do? What did you do that you need a partner? So how? It that's never happened before there never been a pre -pardon No, how can you pardon someone if they haven't been convicted of something?

1:52:35Well, there's a lot of debate on the constitutionality of it too Like whether or not that's even what the pardons were intended for and that was the thing during the 2020 Like when when Trump was leaving the office You know, there was talk about what if he pre -pardons his family that would be outrageous and all the Democrats were against it and then Of course when Biden did it everybody just shut up Yeah, he pre -pardon his son from 14 or something 11 Oh, what a good guy Yeah That was necessary Yeah That was a pre -pardon He was never charged I seem like a post pardon at that point He was about to be charged and he was never What was Gerald Ford going to be charged or so Nick's gonna Watergate yeah That's another one The watergate one's a weird one too Because the the lead guy Was an intelligence agent who is all the sudden a reporter You push give some to the iran contra affair people.

1:53:41Oh, what a good guy Casper wineburger there you go Abraham Lincoln did the new civil war president Abraham Lincoln preemptive pardons part of the broader strategy to maintain national unity Okay extended to Confederate sympathizers and soldiers. Okay As an incentive to lay down arms and support the union Me Yes, well That was a good one I remember I was kid I was living in San Francisco when the Vietnam War ended my parents were hippies We're living in like hate Ashburt like the like down near Lombard Street in the middle of like hippie San Francisco And I remember thinking As a little kid thinking wow finally the war is over.

1:54:27I don't think about war anymore. I'm like people are gonna learn from this I really believe that You know you guys you're hopeful first also I was 10 Yeah, whatever I was no 10 -year -olds. I guess you're pretty hopeful Yeah, well you're terrified because I you know I thought of the idea being drafted like in eight years from now can I be drafted and have to go and fight for some fucking insane More that makes no sense and if you don't they put you in a cage Like that was the reality of life in the 1960s when they had conscription Yeah, let's carry shit man You know being forced to give up your life to go fight and some fucking insane war that makes sense.

1:55:07It's probably about heroin probably had a lot to do with heroin trade Well, yeah, they say that that bombing in Laos was a lot of that on the Ho Chi Minh trail A lot of that had to do with that avenue for heroin there. Yeah, I'm not Ho Chi Minh trail. Well, how about Afghanistan? Yeah Afghanistan. Yeah, that can't be a coincidence poppies there and poppies there Not only that we were guarding poppy fields We were because that would date we needed these farmers need to grow poppies is like this is how they make a living We got to help them. We got to fight the Taliban Then you know, it's 90 plus percent of the world's opium.

1:55:51It's coming from this area like what 90 percent. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think it's 94 I think it was 94 percent of the world's heroin was coming from Afghanistan while we were occupying Afghanistan really oh, yeah, where's it coming from probably Afghanistan still No, it's safe I mean to Taliban where the people that were against it, which is wild 2021 Afghanistan produced more than 90 percent of the world's illicit heroin. However, Myanmar has since surpassed Afghanistan Well, didn't Myanmar just have a giant coup didn't they have a military takeover Myanmar? I think they did I'm pretty sure because uh Yeah, yeah, maybe it's followed the drugs instead of follow the money.

1:56:36Yeah, maybe yeah Uh Myanmar coup just right coup Yeah, four years after the coup atrocity crimes four years after the coup chaos reigns as Myanmar's military struggles. Yeah, they're probably taking control I mean if you've got a place where now they've taken over the heroin production of the world and all sudden you have a military coup shocking right crazy routes yeah It's just it's too many things to concentrate on that's the problem and we're all getting inundated every day with terrible news From all over the world and on one side it makes people more accountable because now you know all the terrible things that are going on all over the world But another thing it's like it's unmanageable if you're one human being living in Austin your phone is blowing up all day with atrocities That are happening all over the world.

1:57:33You're like what could I do? What is life? Everything's terrible meanwhile you go to the coffee shop everybody's nice Go to the go to the restaurants. Say hi there. It's like my world seems pretty fucking normal But it's but when you're inundated constantly So you're at this constant state of anxiety and weirdness and I know it's not a good thing, but I think that's why I stay away from the media. I don't read newspapers I don't you know, I just try to stay away because it yeah, it's that toxifying element You know, it can really and and granted It keeps me ignorant. Yeah, it's but they do say ignorance is bliss and I feel pretty bliss So I mean Well as long as somebody's paying attention, I guess it's okay Well, I mean about some of these items we've been discussing, you know, I've actually you know studied this so so There's things that but but there's other things that I just can't get hit every day with like 90 things that are So depressing, you know, I do go on social media at all.

1:58:38No, I do have I have um You know What's the sex or No Instagram Instagram But because you know they they make you like you have to give us all your information and access to your pictures So I can't personally get on the Instagram, but if I have a picture I have to get someone else to post the picture Yeah, so that's probably healthier. Yeah, huh? That's probably healthier. Yeah, yeah That'd be an honor at all the time because I know a lot of people that are honored all the time and they're it makes them sick It's like radiation poisoning. Yeah, I'm Creating much never on it. That's good, but I should post more.

1:59:21I post like once every six months or something But no, I don't know. I'd rather have an alt to Instagram. So how do you find out a point of a good alt an alt? I don't know the problem is Well, X is what I use the most as far as like getting information, but Every now and then I'll go on and watch people argue and see like this these toxic fights back and forth And that puts me in a shitty mood. I'm like god damn. Why do people fucking treat each other like this? Such a stupid way to communicate Yeah That is it's so disheartening and it's also it amplifies the worst aspects of our society Which is like shitty division It's like shitty division is what gets a lot of clicks You know partisan thoughts and and attacking people tribal thinking that's what gets the most clicks and that's what you see the most But there's enough of exposing of actual legitimate corruption and information about what's actually going on The world that I get out of there that it bounces it out for me to the point where I'm willing to engage in it to a certain extent But I don't do it at night and I don't do it when I think it's gonna like fuck me up before I go to bed I don't I don't do it if there's anything.

2:00:35I really have to concentrate on because I don't want some new Pathway to open up my mind. We're now I'm concerned about this You know, but you you know all of that adversity you face do you feel like it actually increased your popularity? Yeah, yeah, I definitely did yeah like during the COVID stuff when I was they were trying to get me removed from Spotify in that one month I gained two million subscribers Oh really and the height of the attacks on me the show got way bigger Yeah, so how many people listen to that Robert Malone? Would you say that's a good question between Spotify YouTube and all the clips Fucking who knows hundreds of millions probably.

2:01:20Oh great. Yeah a good show that gets spread around like how many different eyeballs will see it I mean it really depends on how profound the person's Revelations are like what they're talking about like you know like the biggest one we ever did Well some of the Elon well, I think the biggest one we probably ever did was Bob Lazar Is that number one close? So the Bob Lazar one do you know Bob Lazar is? I Was the guy that in 1989 he did an interview with George nap in Las Vegas and he said he was working Backengineering UFOs for the government and he has this crazy fucking story about working at area S4 Site 4 an area 51 and the Nevada desert was at that point in time the government would deny that area 51 even existed He's like no, I work out there and I was working back engineering propulsion systems from crashed UFOs And he's explaining how these things work and explaining how it's in some sort of a gravity propulsion device It works completely different than any propulsion device that we've ever devised and that they're trying to back engineer them They don't know how to do it so they keep bringing in new propulsion experts So he was a guy that it previously worked at Los Alamos Labs and Then he gets a job and they would they're eventually essentially throwing as much shit against the walls possible Trying to see what sticks like can you figure this out and they're bringing in new people and he was brought in apparently after Allegedly after an accident where they tried to cut into the reactor and exploded and people died And so they said okay, well, that's not gonna work.

2:02:57Let's try another method bring in some other people And he was one of the people they brought in and when you have top secret clearance What happens is they tap all your phones they listen to you all the time well He had this job where he couldn't tell his wife what he was doing So he would get this phone call saying that he has to fly out to area 51 at like 11 p .m So he would go to the airport fly out and his wife was like this motherfucker's cheating on me So she starts fucking her flight instructor. She's got some flight instructor And so because his wife was having an affair and they knew it from the phone calls They thought that he was gonna be emotionally unstable So they removed him from the project.

2:03:33So he gets removed from the project and he says well I'm telling my friends So he goes to tell friends like this is what I was doing. I was working on These fucking UFOs they have actually UFO that's the one that thing on the desk right there That's the recreation of what he called the sport model that they worked on that has this this flying saucer That's behind the antlers. That's like the three It's like the Tesla three. Yeah, you know what I mean? Right if you would it Yeah, the classic little sport model. So uh He brings people out to to watch. He said on Wednesday They have these flights and they test these things.

2:04:12I'll take you guys out to the desert He took them out to desert. He takes them a couple times then he gets arrested So he gets arrested and he says they're gonna fucking kill me. I have to go public So he goes public and tells the whole story and so he does these Series of interviews with George nap who's an investigative reporter in in Las Vegas And they become legendary. It's told the same story for now going on 40 years And it's and saying he's still alive. Yeah, he did my podcast So he did the podcast and I don't know what to think. I don't know if he's telling the truth or not It's hard to know but he's told the same goddamn story for all these years And he's obviously a brilliant guy when you talk to him.

2:04:50He's obviously very literate in science really understands what he's saying And many of the things that he said from that particular interview have been corroborated by other people including His knowledge of Los Alamos labs. They tried to say he never worked there But they found him on the employee roster and he knows the building he took people into the building He took George nap in there. He knew the security guards. He knew where to go showing everybody around the place and That's our biggest podcast ever because it's so fucking nuts There's an incredible Jeremy Corbyl did an incredible documentary called Bob you have Bob Lazar area 51 and flying saucers and it's all about his experiences there and It's one of those things where you just you don't know So you but it's god.

2:05:37It's so weird It's like if this guy's telling the same goddamn story And then they have all these videos of these things That the go fast video and the flier video that the government's released that the covered in the New York Times And these crafts are exhibiting the same sort of behavior that he was explaining in 1989 Particularly and they they fly like this, but then when they want to go fast They rotate sideways and point whatever this gravity propulsion Whatever this thing is this generator and they shoot this way And take off and there's videos of these things doing this Wow 40 years later Unbelievable.

2:06:17Yeah, so that's the biggest video. I got it. Yeah So that video on YouTube got 60 million views and then on all the other platforms who knows how many and all the clips What's probably hundreds of millions? Yeah Lazar But it's one of those things where you don't want to think too much about it because it might be bullshit You know, that's how I feel about the whole uf What's the what would be his point? What's his motivation? Like it's a question I don't see how it benefits him other than he's got now people calling him a wacko Which he didn't have before so what's the good of it? Right that's a good You always got to look at possible motivation Well, there's a lot of people that want to pretend to be special And so they make up stories so that make them special they make up encounters They make up you know, abductions.

2:07:09I've been abducted by aliens I was taking I'm a special person. They took me aboard. I have a message for humanity There's a lot of that. There's a lot of delicious It's that's a different thing Right. I mean a guy like that. I don't see his you know If if that's what he actually did for a living then I don't see why Why he would do it benefits? Well one of the more interesting stories is this guy So this is Travis Walton this guy's got a little bottle head Travis Walton was a guy. I don't know if you ever saw that movie fire in the sky It was based on a bunch of loggers in Arizona and they saw this thing land And this guy Travis Walton gets out of the truck and goes to it gets blasted by this this bolt of energy Collapses to the ground his buddies take off there.

2:07:55They're screaming in the car all these loggers Like we got to go back and get him. We got to go back and get him. They turn around a mile later. Go back. He's gone He's gone for five days And then he shows up back in the town five days later with this fucking wild story of being abducted Taking aboard this craft they healed his body and then they communicated with him and then returned him And the thing about it is like all these experiences these people talk about the exact same creatures They talk about the exact same entities these things with big heads and large eyes and spindly bodies And they're communicating telepathically.

2:08:30It's like it's universal. It's like over and over again. It's a very similar story And the problem is if it happened to you who the fuck is gonna believe you It's a unique experience a completely novel experience that only you have and then you have to go and try to make sense of it to other people That have an experienced it and they're gonna think you're fucking crazy But if you have enough of these people that say the same story over and over and over again Which is if you read John Mac he was a psychologist from Harvard that did a lot of hypnotic regression Work with people that have had alien abductions.

2:09:05This guy was like I read that. Did you ever there? It's a crazy book for him I'm not John. Did you really? Yeah, why don't you meet him? I'm at him and At on the campus at Harvard. Oh wow. You know, I went to Harvard, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean I had a great night and then Went back home. No, I Only Well, I know you play really good chess I did play chess. Magnus Carlson told me I had Magnus Carlson in a couple days ago He told me that you did one of his opening moves that you did it for him And he was like what the fuck is he doing like he couldn't you figure out why you did them? But he realized afterwards like oh, you're a really good chess player.

2:09:46That was actually a legitimate move You did his opening right? Well, yeah Yeah, I did one time. I did an opening for the other guy What's his name? Anyway, and I and I'm gonna do this opening and at the same time I want to tip over with my pinky tip over the king Just as a jerk, you know, because you tip over the king the game's over right so I did that But then and and and and there was kind of a charcoal and everything and picked it up and then he's looking quite concerned. Oh, yeah, this was it Look knocked it down and then I pushed it Yeah, the slower down you can see it But then I pushed upon right and then I read it because I thought he said D4 Right He didn't say D4 he said E4 so you know looking at his face and he had whispered it to me into my bad ear and I'm like Why do you got a whisper?

2:10:56I'm gonna make the move anyway Well, Max said you stood around you played a lot of people and he said you were really good. Oh, that's very nice coming from him Yeah, he's the moatsoat man. Yeah Fascinating guy. He was here a couple days ago. What is he yeah? Yeah, I do admire him He's great and that whole thing, you know that just happened with the jeans Like that was great. Did you see it? We know he went to he went to one of the big I forget which tournament it was but anyway came in jeans And they're very strict right and so they wouldn't allow him to play and then So he basically was gonna end up sacrificing the day because he came in jeans right he said I just wasn't thinking about it You know well, so then he just like You know you'll have to come back tomorrow.

2:11:50You're sacrificed for the day is like you know what? I won't be back tomorrow and then boom they changed the rules. Oh wow they changed it. Yeah, that's a stupid rule Yeah, who gives a shit if you're wearing jeans? I know that you'll plan a bikini a better or worse player. Yeah, stupid Everybody should be able to have to play in their underwear that way you know they don't have any devices on them You know you know they can't have an anthem too Yeah, maybe you gotta do a rectal probing before this is full circle with the talking about the aliens You know, maybe you have to do something before Well, we got into very specific ways that people cheat it was pretty interesting He was talking also about different ways that people have been busted cheating Different people signaling them in the room moving to different parts of the room if they wanted the the piece to move in a different area Yeah, yeah, cuz he that one guy he said was cheating He said he knew as soon as the move was made and then he walked out.

2:12:47Yeah, it was another time Yeah, he he just like there's no way this guy made this move no chance Well, that was what was fascinating that you could tell by the way a guy's playing that something was a mess that there was This is not inside of his capability. He knew the way the guy played so well That you could tell that something was off Which is so great which is I'm not literate and in chess so I don't understand how you could do that But I believe him especially when you talk to him like Well, he's got a thumper in his sock or something you know somebody's giving him a He thinks he's gonna come here and then don't not he thinks it's an internally like a very small invisible earpiece That they play what he thought yeah, yeah, that's what he thinks he thinks one of the possible methods Then then there was the anal beads people were talking about anal beads He's like I don't want it thumper in his sock.

2:13:39He just wants to get Pure inside man. Yeah, I guess it would like vibrant. I guess you would do it Like vibrate a certain amount of times first to indicate the letter and then a couple times to indicate the number That's where the piece a little more is cold in the Yeah, yeah, how long you playing chess? I Started I mean I started playing more probably like 10 years ago or maybe more than that. I started playing And Willy you know, wow playing Willie all the time But then we'd switch over back to dominoes. He crushes me in dominoes And then I was mostly winning chess and then toward the end of our Battles he started switching to just you know, I would just stay with the domino Such a hustler that's a hustler yeah, I tried to interview him, but he's scared of COVID Yeah, this old guy, you know, yeah, it's 92 can't take a chance getting infected and You know that a lot of old people I got it.

2:14:50I got the fear because it's like death is close to them It's just they're too vulnerable. I get it. I get why they got roped into it Well, yeah, the the fear of germs Yeah, that's that was the Neil Young thing too. That's why I gave Neil Young a pass I get you still see wearing masks all the time even in Austin. Yeah, I seem driving their fucking car still with masks on Yeah alone in the car with the mask. Yeah, they're just sick and fuses me, but you know like fears are fairly relentless Occupation for some and I don't know I just You know, I studied the you know the germ theory you know how it came to be the backbone of western medicine Do you know the rock feller thing?

2:15:42Well that that yeah that came after this, but yeah the rock a feller Pushed push that whole narrative, but but it was before that in the 18 was 18 87 or something 89 where uh Louis Pasteur stood before the French Academy of Science and said I've Realized the origin of all disease and it's the germ theory and He took credit for the germ theory which of course had been around for centuries at that point but There was another guy named Antoine Bay -Shamp who Who was actually a real genius whereas pastour was a charlatan and used to Basically stole all these good ideas that he never had from Antoine Bay -Shamp including how fermentation works How they had they had diseases on in the grapes of At the time so how to deal with that disease and also having to do with You know uh Where they make the the silk like silkworms?

2:17:01Stuff that that also was another thing that Bay -Shamp figured out and then you know Pasture who was on the same committee ends up reading these papers and basically kind of putting his own spin on it and getting credit for You know the fermentation silkworm the wine thing, you know like each thing he becomes more and more famous and And he until he's able to sit down in front of Napoleon in 1863 Napoleon III he said I will eliminate all disease. Oh, I will eradicate all human disease He was an arrogant guy and he was a complete fraud and Not a power and pastour believed the germ theory obviously that that's the theory that he pushed right and then Bay -Shamp believed in the terrain theory now.

2:17:54That's what I believe the terrain theory the the germ theory obviously A pathogen a germ of virus whatever lands in your corn flakes or on your eyeball or whatever it gets inside And then in this blank pristine blank slate environment It causes damage maybe sickness and eventually death to me Hey, I don't believe this theory as much as I do the the terrain theory which is That your health is dependent upon your internal biological terrain and your internal filthiness or cleanliness And so that's what I believe is where people's immune system gets messed up from what they're consuming And in a nutshell That's why I believe in Bay -Shamp's theory as opposed to the germ theory And at least it's got to be both at the very least it's got to be both out imagine it's both um, I mean what we know for a fact that one of the main Factors in eliminating diseases in North America was When they started having hygiene and when they started having flowing water and sewage systems and that just having Cleanliness.

2:19:19I mean most cities At the turn of the century were filled with filth. I mean during the smallpox epidemic people lived terrible They lived in filth when you had the uh Various like there's a bunch of different diseases that could it be attributed to poor hygiene poor hygiene No access to antibiotics no access to any kind of medicine and we all attribute that just to a disease broke out But why did disease break out well the people who are living in filth There there was no running water. They didn't have any sewage systems. They didn't have They didn't have any sort of antibiotics and including like When people talk about the Spanish flu like a Spanish flu broke out today.

2:20:03We'd be fucked No, we wouldn't first of all We have antibiotics now. Spanish flu would be killed quickly It's the the real factor was all these diseases that people were getting because of the infection that could be cured by antibiotics But I'll be a antibiotic sky at all No, I mean I took them I took them one time I uh I credit them with really haven't saved me but uh, oh they'll save you under certain conditions Right, right. If you're immune system shot and there's nothing else you can do to bolster your immune system in the in a in a in a short amount of time where the whatever is happening is happening quickly Well, you're saying like ubiquitous use of antibiotics for everything.

2:20:50Yeah, where it's just like It's like a pes dispenser that right and and it and it does affect your immune system Conversely especially continuous use of antibiotics. It's also why we have Merse Right Merse Merse Merse is a medication -resistant staff infections, right? Yeah, right and that's okay I've had a bunch of friends who get that because that's one of the side effect one of the unfortunate aspects of jiu -jitsu is a lot of guys get staff infections You know if you're not clean and I take a look at it getting scratched and scraped up and you're on the ground Dirty mats people come in dirty and you can get an infection.

2:21:29I've had staff twice you get Staff ringworm bunch different things that people normally get on the mat but there's ways to combat that uh in in a healthy organic way and one of the best ways is the use of There's a bunch of different oils T -tree oil and eucalyptus oil a bunch of oils that don't affect your skin biome In a negative way, but what they do is they protect you from bad diseases. There's a company called defense soap And I always recommend it to I don't have any affiliation with them my friend Guy Sako runs the company But he developed it because a bunch of wrestlers and grapplers were getting skin infections And so he developed natural remedies that are they don't affect your because a lot of times guys would take like Antibiotic soap and they would clean themselves with antibiotic soap the problem with that is it kills all your healthy flora All the skin for that's healthy that gets torched too.

2:22:24It's taking a blow torch to you know like a small patch of weeds You can just pluck out right and instead of doing that He developed a soap that uses all these natural Organic remedies that you know doesn't affect you in a negative way at all So they only soap I use I use that soap every day and it keeps your skin healthy and it doesn't fuck it up So his ways around it though the real way is to prevent it though because once you actually get staff Especially if it's aggressive you got to take antibiotics or you're fucked Well It gets systemic yeah My friend his friends wife rather died of it she was trying to do it organically She was trying to like use herbal remedies and she wound up dying of staff infection Because it gets systemic.

2:23:12Yeah, it gets good good into your blood and goes into your whole body and then you're fucked But you really have to get on a heavy hard core IV antibiotics for long stretches of time So I've had friends that have huge scars on their body because they got a massive Merse infection in their knees and then they they had to get it all opened up They have to clean it out and they have to get them on IV antibiotics. It's a fucking it's a nightmare And it's one of the main reasons why people die after surgeries It happens after surgeries where people get Merse infection Hmm Super bugs Healthy yes stay healthy Woody.

2:23:51Yeah, yeah, do you eat only vegetables? Is that what you're talking about like meat? Are you a vegan? I'm a vegan yeah But you know, I mean I really my My real belief is in raw living food Because I feel like you know, we talk a lot about you getting your protein or you getting your carbs or whatever I think The most important component of the food of the enzymes The enzymes being the life force of the food and and The enzymatic activities your eyes blank in your heart beating those are enzymatic activities If wouldn't for enzymes we couldn't do them. Yeah, like enzymes are highly important Anything you cook over 118 degrees for a minute you destroy the enzymes and most of the nutritional value of the food And that's why I'm a believer in in raw living food and I Just know from when I you know, I've had lots of experiments for when I was doing it When I was eating a lot of cooked food and you know, you can really feel the difference is it's There's no question about it Supporting the energy of the body better than anything, but meanwhile I agree that it's very hard to avoid eating Cook food because it's delicious Yeah, but to have as much raw as possible Mm -hmm.

2:25:20That's my thing and I eat I you know, I take I try to get a lot of sprouts and microgreens and everything and and you know, I also eat you know Cooked food Do you take algae or anything were you getting B vitamins? Do you think? Yeah, I take right I do take an I take Nias and I take I Should take more of a comprehensive B vitamin probably, but I do take Ray she and I take Genesying every day Yeah, so healthy mushrooms Yeah, I believe in the healthy mushrooms and I take all that stuff too. Yeah, there's a cool Yeah, I gotta get on the regular medicinal mushrooms those are crucial. Yeah, especially brain refunk Repair which is I think something I need I Think we all do you fix those pathways.

2:26:20Yeah, they've been compromised. Do you ever fuck around with neutropics? Do you take any? Neutropics Like what? Neutropics are essentially nutrients that contribute to cognitive function Building blocks for human neurotransmitters acetylcholine Thienine things on those lines. No, I don't do that, but no, I'm I'm Open -minded Yeah, I imagine Downey would know all about that stuff. Yeah, but he would yeah, yeah He's really really knowledgeable about that, but you've studied this shit, too Yeah The thing about it is like you could almost take Stuff all day long because there's so many different things that could benefit you You would like you'd have to have a fucking stack of shit in front of you all day long which gets tiresome Yeah, I mean I'm much prefer I mean I think the best thing for Restoring health for If you're sick and you want to get better is fasting There's been a thousand thousands of years and it just works.

2:27:27It does because the congestion in the body is really what Disease is it's congestion and inflammation. Generally that but yeah inflammation you could call that too But it's but that that congestion begins in the colon And so you don't clean that out Issues. Yeah, do you concern yourself do you eat organic vegetables only? Yeah, yeah That's that's huge because I mean, I think What is it like 90 something percent of people tested have glyphosate in their system I was reading some study on fucking On girls cow cookies like how how many like they've done those studies on girls cow cookies where they break Now find out what's in them a holy shit They're fucking toxic as fuck Yeah, I'll send it to Jamie's that I said it's my wife because she she's trying to avoid girls cow cookies Cuz of the smiling face You can imagine she's gonna give you something bad.

2:28:26Yeah, those little hustlers they they've they catch at the grocery store I'll find this for you Jamie. There was this thing about Oh here it is The different seed oils all the different things in them Yeah, it's probably one of them. What does it say here? Thin mints being the worst offenders five flavors of girls cow cookies contained Scolars backup backup contained levels of glyphosate and heavy metals above EPA water safety limits New investigation found a hundred percent of tested girls cow cookies contained glyphosate 100 % controversial herbicide and roundup 88 % contained toxic metals like arsenic lead and mercury Key finding thin mints had the highest glyphosate lettles levels at 11 .07 ppb 334 times what experts say is harmful peanut butter patties had the highest Heavy metal contamination with lead reaching 42 .5 ppb and aluminum at 27 ,500 ppp ppm 76 % of cookies tested exceeded cadmium safety limits and 96 contained lead That's wild girl scout USA which sells 200 million boxes per year 800 million dollars revenue did not respond to researchers before publication I wonder why I wonder why I wonder why they wouldn't chime in Well, they're crazy see there you go and by the way That's that you could replicate the same thing and so much of the American diet What is the girls cow cookies have to say girls cow cookies are made with ingredients that adhere to food safety standards set by the FDA and other relevant authorities Oh really Our trusted bakers remain committed to compliance with all food safety standards Maybe we need to change the fucking food safety standards just because you're complying with bullshit standards That's what I'm hoping is gonna happen going forward.

2:30:28I'm hoping to I think uh, you know I don't know how much bobby can affect things and what he actually can do But I know what he's trying to do and one of the main things he's trying to do is this whole idea of this maha movement make America healthy again And that's possible. This is something we could do and be so nice to it and and and you know not a lot of You know it could be relatively simple. Yeah Just modification then that to be is Revolution in one's diet, but like you know first thing I do is cut out girls cow cookie My first this craze that a hundred percent of them have glyphosate like fucking aim now with the glyphosate It's just absolutely crazy and you know like it just still we know how toxic and terrible and we're still using it constantly You know the countries aren't in corporate, you know or industrial farming.

2:31:23You know, it's just wrong I know you're into regenerative farming. I think that's great Yeah, but but you know you see over the long haul the regenerative farmer gains He gains financially and he gains in terms of the soil not just turning to shit. Yeah Well, yeah, you want some shit in your soul. Yeah, okay, let's not get Side track. Yeah But yeah like you know, it's a net gain in the end. So hopefully it's carbon neutral Yeah, everyone's trying to reduce carbon organic farms are carbon neutral because that's how nature intended animals to live That's how nature intended us to grow crops It's also supposed to be animals graze manure all this different stuff It helps you get the soil biome just as much as you have to think of your own biome Yeah, it all works together and thank God there's people out there like Joel Salatin who runs polyface farms and will Harris who ones white oak pastors who have educated these people and you gone on written books and gone on these tours and explained to be like will Harris who's been on the podcast a couple times You spent 20 years changing his family farm which was a Industrial farm into regenerative agriculture and you can see the difference in the soil He's we have two bottles of soil to glass bottles of soil out there one From an industrial farm and one from his farm and the his farm is dark and rich and filled with nutrients and the other one is just pale and dead and it just covered in bullshit fucking chemicals And meanwhile that's the stuff that gets highly subsidized.

2:33:06Yes, so yeah, it's a catch 22 If they were if the real value if the real expense of what what happens to that soil were were Experience by the American taxpayer. I think that'd be a revolt. Well, you know, yeah, we're lazy people I'm a lazy bad. Well the real problem is we have so many people that need food and that we're reliant upon factory farming right now In a large to a large extent because there's enormous populations of people they grow in a place where they grow nothing whether it's New York City or that's Los Angeles is urban environments. They need food constantly shipped into them and no one's growing anything and the population keeps booming and Like you got to get these people food and we right now are dependent upon factory farming for a lot of that food Well, I wonder if you could through regenerative farming Cup, you know cover it.

2:34:05I wonder could that ultimately be yeah, I wonder I think people are definitely gonna have to change the way that it has to change Well, we at least have to change the way we farm because otherwise we're gonna have a You know just more desertification and But at least people are aware of it now at least there's more information and more education about that today Then has ever been before I mean, there's this never a discussion when I was a kid. I never heard anything about that It was just being done and this is just you got food and you didn't think about where it came from and then the term organic camera I'm like, what's that?

2:34:39I like it's no pesticides like what's the pesticide? What's what's on the food? You know like we didn't know and if back then there was no access to any information other than mainstream media So it was pretty easy for them to keep going on with these practices without unless you went out and Saught it out and went and found books or someone told you about a book You didn't know you didn't get that information. I think more people have that information now than ever before So that's one of the reasons why I'm hopeful and I'm real and I think Bobby really does have an idea of how to do this And I hope you successful.

2:35:14Yeah made to yeah me too Well, listen brother. It's been great talking to you. I really appreciate it I'm very happy to meet you I've enjoyed your work for so many years. So it's a pleasure to do this and pleasure is all minded I really am it's it's it's a privilege to be here with you Thank you for having me my pleasure. Let's break bread someday have a good time hang out. Okay. I'll get your info and I'll be my email. All right sounds good brother. All right. Thank you very much. Thanks for being here. Thank you. All right bye