#2277 - Woody Harrleson

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32:08And to make them go through real trials. And how do you think that's going to get through Congress? We're going to find out. We're going to find out. We're going to find out. There's no way that gets through Congress. We'll see. You know, we'll see. We'll see what the resistance is. But every one of those guys is getting money from big firms. A lot of the more. A lot of the more. But also, certainly all the Democrats. People are paying attention now and they will get primaries. And I think they're aware of that. So I think there's a vulnerability for their entire career. People find out that they weren't willing to do this in the face of overwhelming evidence You know like Bobby was just talking about the hepatitis vaccine that they were saying that the hepatitis B vaccine They were having a hard time selling it and so they all of a sudden started saying don't worry about it We're gonna prescribe it for children and they put it on the vaccine schedule for children And they did that just because they were having a hard time people because the only time we get hepatitis B is from dirty needles and risky sex and people are like, I don't want that fucking thing.

33:09And so they're like, nobody was standing on my head. Those are the only times you get appetite as big. I think that's it. There's just two possibilities. Three, one of the other. Do you know of any other ones? Well, I mean, I think. I think it's actually transmitted disease. Oh, it is transmitted through intravenous drug use. Okay, then I didn't know. Yeah. How do you think you got it? I mean, I just assumed you get run down. You know, like most? No. I don't know. You get sick. Let's Google it. What is the cause of hepatitis B, Jamie? In fact, blood or body fluids? Yeah. That's how you get it.

33:43You don't get it as a fucking baby. So injecting babies with it, the only reason why they did that is to sell more hepatitis B vaccines. Yeah. If the mother has it. Unprotected sex with an infected person, mother to child, during childbirth, breastfeeding if the mother is infected. Yeah. Uh -huh. So they're doing. Dude, you got a lot of happiness you could be yeah, I guess dirty needles St. I guess I falls under dirty needles Yeah, but anyway, I just wonder that You know that it's just again the profiteering like why is not talking about profiteering that should be on everyone's lips Exactly, that's what it's all about that's that although the woes and ills of our society.

34:28It's people people emphasizing profit over humanity. That's really what it is. Yeah. That's really what it is. Yeah. I agree. Yeah, and it's also, it's like, it's this fucking disgustingly short -sighted approach because you don't live that long. To live your life just profiteering off of the expense of other people's suffering is so crazy. When you got 80 years of your lucky, you got 80 summers, 80 summers, 80 spins around the sun and you're gonna you're gonna fucking sell people out for some money that You're never gonna have enough of anyway all those cock suckers. They all want more. They never it never ends They all want a bigger yacht.

35:12They all wanted this. They all wanted that there was always something endeavor ends and Somehow another we let them get away with it because we're profiting as well That's always wondering about like bayonets you got to figure there's a certain hierarchy of bayonets And so even if you're a billionaire and you're thinking well that guy's he's good. He's made it right? Nope. Well, no. I want to be the richest guy. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it I guess it never does in in a way Well, if that's what your game is right? So if your game is just numbers You're never gonna be satisfied You know if your game is just numbers You're always gonna look at the other people like my friend Brian has a friend that has a three billion dollars And he says he hangs out with his billionaire friends and he feels poor because they have $30 billion.

36:01Well, you know, crazy. Imagine having $3 billion in feeling poor. But I can kind of understand the thought. I mean, stupid. The poor white trash probably. The group. Only three bills. Poor bastard. How's he even by a country? How do you even affect elections with $3 billion? That's nothing. Yeah, that's weird. Local election. Well, I mean, this is just a symptom of the moral decay of our society that you know, we don't we don't have a moral and ethical framework. We don't have a moral and ethical structure that we operate under and Too many people are just motivated by my money instead of humanity instead of looking at people is like a community We're all a community of people and you can still profit and you can still make money but like making more money at the expense of people's lives and suffering should be the most abhorrent thing that we could possibly imagine.

37:07Especially if you're already wealthy. That should be absolutely disgusting to us. Instead it's condoned and just like accepted and you know you shrug your shoulders. That's what people do. Well, I think the majority of people agree with you 100 % on that and majority people have a very humane and compassionate view of others, you know, but there are those people who are just, you know, it's like you say it's a numbers game Yeah, and and unfortunately war makes people really rich. I mean I guess I don't know big pharma would be the number one industry but not far behind it's got to be the weapons industry and it's just like why are these if you even get away from why are these wars happening or are they justified?

38:06Why are they making that much profit off of these wars? Yeah, you know, strange. Yeah. That bothers me. I get sleepless over that. It should, especially because the United States has just done, you know, one World War II, okay, I give you that one, you know, but I certainly don't give you the Korean War over the potential domino theory, which was observed, the same theory that so four million, four million people die in Korea, three and a half million in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, they started carpet bombing in Laos, you know, which is everything in a two mile radius presumed dead. You know, what we've done throughout Central, South America, all over the world, we've become Richard.

39:03Yeah. It's like I would understand if it's adjustable, you know, you have to stop hitting their Mussolini. I get it. Yeah. But you know, come on. It's crazy that it all really boils down to that. It really boils down to a lot of us people profiting, you know. I always have said that if war weren't so lucrative, there'd be a lot less of it. Yeah. You know no doubt sometimes just the war itself is that's a money maker. Yeah, but it's like how do you How can do that what do you got there fellow? I brought this for you man. What is it? It's a It's a very nice Northern California You know I have a dispensary in yeah in LA.

39:48Yeah, I call it nice. It's phenomenal It's the most beautiful dispensary in the world you can have us just I remember when it was completely totally illegal and then you ought to have a medical card. And you just say, you had a headache. That's what you have to say. You got back pain, you got a headache, you can get a subscription or a prescription, rather. And then it became legal. But just in 2009, it should be. Nope, it should be legal in Texas. It should be. It should be federal legal. They could be, this could be such it. This state's so great anyway. We could change everything if Texas was legal.

40:26Well, the whole country should be legal. Yeah. The idea that America, the land of the free, criminalizes the use of a plant that's never killed anybody is fucking crazy. It's legislating morality, and it's an odd morality anyway, because most people believe you should be able to smoke if you want. Not only that, it's a morality that's based off bullshit about profiteering from the 1930s. So it's propaganda from the 1930s that's still working today 90 years later, which is really crazy. Yeah, that's the craziest part of it. And that the really the only reason why I picked up steam is because they needed to put people to work after they had stopped banning alcohol.

41:04So prohibition ended and everybody's like, what do we do now? Well, let's fucking go after marijuana and then you get Harry Ann slinger and will you have ran off first? They're all profiting from it and they're all fucking make the marijuana movies like Reef or Madness and everyone's gonna go crazy and to this day There's a lot of people believe that they think it makes you lazy it makes you stupid and It really is Although I would say my stupid quotient Dip now knew a new look no, but I I agree with you I think that yeah like antslinger nobody knows about that How this guy went all over the place and got governments all over the world to make you know depth declare this the enemy drug and And, but, but, but, you know, like I really just believe, you know, there's such a thing as a consensual crime, which is victimless crimes.

41:58So if I'm smoking a joint, well, it, a lot of it's like the vaccine. If I'm smoking a joint, how does that hurt you? Well, what am I doing to hurt you? If you drive and falsely put the wheel on side of a school, but that's the most for that. Okay, yeah, well that's another okay outside of the driving world. I don't see how I'm hurting you know I'm like the driving world. That's really the end of it and if I'm not getting my job done then fire me, okay? So there's right it just there's no and by the way most people do agree with this but When you have like over 70 % of the people in jail are there for victimless crimes mostly drug related crimes.

42:44Well then we go back to another thing, profiteering because we have private prisons which is crazy where you're essentially taking human beings and you're using them as batteries to generate money. That's really what you're doing. The more people you get in there, the more profit you're pulling out of it which is just crazy. So then you have prison guard unions that are lobbying to keep laws on the books. victim was crimes on the books like marijuana. Yeah, I imagine there's a lot of unions pushing out, but you know, I didn't know till I saw the 13th. Is that what it was called? That movie, 13th Amendment, it was about the 13th Amendment.

43:25I didn't know about the... What's it called? There's a movie, I think it's called the 13th. I'm not wrong. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah, he's anyway. Oh, there it is. Yeah, that's the first time I really thought about in spite of being around prisons, you know, much of my life. I never thought about the fact that they're, that that's just, they're making them work. It's just slave labor. Exactly. Yeah, making them work. I never thought about it until. Slave labor for insanely small amount of money and they keep them locked up and they produce things Yeah, yeah, yeah And way you watch that you believe it for sure.

44:14Did you say that? No, I didn't say it Oh, you're aware of the law. I mean, I'm aware of that's that's a lot of where the Jim Crow laws came from when the the They abolished slavery what they did was just to rest people for basically anything and put them to work I mean that was right that was the modest operandi Yeah, which is I guess that's when all that the 13th started was back then As a part of the Jim Crowley all goes the same thing profit and ironically a lot of this lack of compassion Could be solved with psychedelics a lot of it a lot of it where people expand their consciousness Understand that what they're doing is morally reprehensible and even though you can sort of justify because it's legal It's disgusting.

44:59We should change those laws those laws don't make any sense because it's written on paper Doesn't mean it's just doesn't mean it makes sense Rational people I agree it'd be nice to get some acid in the punch bowl at some kind of cringot congressional Well, consentual I think we're consensual. I mean you're not gonna get all those guys who needed to agree to it It's I'm just saying throw a little in the punch bowl. They're all going by the punch ball Do you ever, do you know Graham Hancock is? He's an expert on ancient history like a kind of renegade historian. He's got a sort of alternative version of ancient society, ancient civilizations, but point is like he has a podcast.

45:49He's got two seasons of a series called ancient apocalypse on Netflix. It's really amazing. It's all, he's basically his field of study is the evidence that human beings and human civilization has gone through a reset and that somewhere around 12 ,000 years ago, and this is all supported by this theory called the Younger Drys Impact Theory, where they found evidence that the Earth was bombarded by comets at more than two different times in history that probably reset civilization. And that this is probably why you see like ancient structures that people can explain and that these stone buildings that have incredibly complex geometry and precision building.

46:37Oh yeah. From thousands to thousands of years ago. Like they had all those buildings. That's a little different. Yeah, no, that's a little different. I'm talking about like ancient Egypt. You're talking about. I'm talking about like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm talking about like Gobekli Tepi and these ancient structures that found that are absolutely 11 ,000 plus years old, where people are supposed to be just hunter and gatherers, and that we had thought up until, you know, last 40 or 50 years that society emerged around 6 ,000 years ago in Mesopotamia. What he believes is that that is a re -emergence of society, and that society had already reached a very high level of sophistication around 12 ,000 years ago.

47:18and that something happens, some sort of gigantic cataclysm and reset things. But Graham is also an enthusiast of Ayahuasca in the power of psychedelic medicine. And he has often said that to run governments, it should be mandatory that you have psychedelic sessions. Right. You should probably do it publicly. Hope. See, really fucked up. You know, I mean, imagine getting Lindsey Graham fucked up on mushrooms and then filming. Oh, and then we'd love to see that. It'll be amazing. It'll be amazing. But I would give to see that. Oh, it'll be amazing. But it would be nice if they had a little more.

48:00Because it's almost those drugs that you're talking about are just like, it's like the universal, God's little helper. Yeah. You know, help you see how the world really works. God's a little helper. the illusory nature of what it is we're experiencing. Yeah. And to come from the heart. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by Focus Features new film, Last Breath. Make Every Breath Count. Based on the extraordinary true story, Last Breath takes you hundreds of feet below the ocean surface for the deadliest job on Earth. When a deep sea diver becomes trapped at the bottom of the ocean, his teammates must This devise a daring plan to save him before his oxygen runs out.

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49:25So we've got this bizarre thing, we're supposed to be a community, but we're a two -sided community. And one side hates the other side. and whoever's in power, those people have the problem. That's like, yeah. That is such a weird part of the human, you know, you had nature or whatever you wanna call it. Psychology is like, and I noticed just the other day. There was some dude, like, I can't remember what the context was, but I remember he kind of came into my zone and I thought, I'll get this fucking guy, man. He's got such an asshole. Oh, you know, you could just tell, you could just feel it, you know?

50:02And then, and then I thought, what are you, why are you, what are you, what are you, what, you've got nothing that tells you that that's true, you know? Other than maybe you're jealous because he's more handsome than you are. Never in any way, and I go up, how you doing? Any smiles and I'm like, this guy is incredible, you know? Like you just, all you need to do sometimes is just generate a smile. on that other person who you think an asshole's face and suddenly they're a kid. You know, it's suddenly you're in a different, you're using your kid juice to interact. Well that's like the important of the importance of charisma, right?

50:44Because a person isn't exactly who they are. They're who they are when they interact with you. And however you interact with them will affect the way they interact with you. It's a two -way street most sort of interactions. If they see a frown on your face, then inevitably there's a frown on their face. Inevitably. Yeah. Yeah. But it smiles, generates smiles. And if you think about it, that is the easiest energy generating thing. Yeah. It is another person smile. Sure. And getting you to smile. And common ground. You know, and I think we have that's the problem with the media and with Political ideologies is that there's no currency in common ground that currency is all in division That's where you can gain the most momentum get the most people on your side You have to say the other people are the enemy common ground is much more common most people agree most people Want to be safe?

51:46They want to be healthy. They want to be happy They want to have friends, they want to have a good time, they want a nice family, they want to be loved, they want to have love. That's most people. And they think that the other people are trying to prevent that. Instead of just accentuating those important factors and saying we should all concentrate on that and then we should all look at things that prevent that. What are the things that prevent happiness and love and health? And let's all work collectively together to eliminate those aspects of our society. Yeah, the problem is you don't make a lot of profit doing that, you know?

52:22The profit is in the division. The media does push the divide for sure. The media is bullshit. They're first of all, they're dying. They're dying like AM radio. They're not going to make it. They're not going to make it. The internet is more compelling and independent journalism is more accurate and it's going to be more important. Are you sure that's not a subjective vantage point, Joe? It's certainly subjective. It's certainly subjective. All your managed words are subjective. Yes, everything's subjective. It's definitely subjective. Listen, I think they're very good people that work in journalism.

52:57I think they're very good people that work at the New York Times, the Washington Post, and even in CNN. I know them. I know people that work at CNN, and I like them. I know people that work at the New York Times, and I like them very much. The problem is the institution, and the institution is based on profit. and where do you get your money? Well, you get a lot of your money from pharmaceutical drug companies, from NGOs, there's funding from all these different political groups and that's the problem. The problem is enormous entities that need incredible amounts of capital in order to stay relevant.

53:31And in doing so, what's crazy is, if you're in the information business, well, you can't be accurate. You cannot be accurate about the distribution of information if your profits are based on you pushing a bullshit narrative because those are the people that are supporting you. So therefore they're not going to make it. Like it's like you see the writing on the wall. It's like this is not tenable. You're not going to be able to continue this. You're going to either have to adjust course or you're going to be swallowed. And that's what people realize that now with the internet. When you got people like Matt Taibe, and Michael Schellenberger, and Glenn Greenwald, that respected journalists who are now on the outside.

54:12And so now they've amassed this huge following on the outside because you know, if you go to Grand Greenwald, he's going to tell you what's actually going on. Why are we invading this? Why are we bombing this? What's going on? And he'll tell you, it all goes back to 2013 when this was passed and this is what happened and they tried to do this. And this is what we're trying to do because there's oil here or there's minerals there and you're like, oh fuck. And so but most people don't have the time to do that kind of a deep dive so you turn on CNN and CNN's a playful Effective heavy got in your nice booster get your nice booster Fucking anchors are blacking on on TV and it's like wow Like it's there in a trap.

54:55They're in a trap first of all They're in a trap because of the actual Form out of the show sucks, right? Form out of television show suck. You have three talking heads yelling at each other There are five minutes before commercial, everyone's trying to get a sound bite that goes viral, and then you cut to a commercial by the antidepressants. And then you come back. And then you come back. You come back and there's a flood and there's fucking Detroit's frozen. Do you see that shit in Detroit? Well, they had a flood and then it froze. And so you got cars like up to the fucking windshield, frozen solid in the streets and car alarms going off.

55:30I haven't seen that. Yeah, it happened yesterday. There was some sort of a water mainline broke, probably because of the cold and then the streets flooded and then the streets when they flooded then they froze and so all these cars like literally up to the windshield stuck it see if you can find it it's crazy to look at like look at this entire streets filled oh my god and if you watch a video of it all the car alarms are going off so the car alarms are going off and all the cars are frozen give me so you can hear it if you You put your head on this is So it's fucking car locks going off because the cars getting crunched so the cars are getting disturbed So they're getting crunched the cars think that people are breaking into them minus 70 as if Detroit doesn't have enough fucking problems poor Detroit Yeah, crazy Yeah, but Detroit's been doing so well lately.

56:30Yeah, it's really, I went there not long ago. They're making a comeback. It was phenomenal. They're making a comeback. Wow, they have what a fun place. Well, you know what? The artist kind of take it over. It just became, it's pretty groovy. Artists and artisans and companies that are like proud, like Shainola. That's my buddy Tom Carrotos. Oh, great. You know him? No, I don't, but I love this place. Humans on this planet. Yeah, he started China. Yeah, China is a great company. It's a great company Incredible guy. They make awesome stuff. They make great watches great stuff, but made in Detroit like proudly Yeah, yeah, and they got the the record player that he did with you know Mike white Mike You know the Mike white no Jack white.

57:22Oh, I knew that was in real I couldn't make white make so white loads. Yeah, no jack white. Yeah, and they also do vinyl They make all these vine this guy's do cool stuff, man. Yeah Well, I know last time I was in Detroit. I did the Fox Theater and I saw a lot of that too a lot of like small shops and cool places and Because real estate's cheap so people are like moving in and artists are doing things. It's fun It's like a little bit of a revival. Absolutely. That's fucked by the auto industry. Well, I have for sure. More profiteering. Right. Send all the fucking jobs out of the country because you can get people to work for slave labor.

58:01Yeah. And now they're dealing with this incredible ice flood. Yeah. I think that's a small, isolated area, but still pretty fucked. Yeah. Oh, God, fig. Are you still in LA? What do you I'm in Austin right here with you? Yeah, you're gonna come on. What do you live though? What do you spend most of your time? No, I live in Austin. Oh, do you? I live in Austin. I didn't know you lived here. Yeah, I live in the drip. Oh nice. Drip spring is great. I love it out there. That's a nice place. That's a nice area. No, I've been determined you and I gonna have to hang out some time. Let's do it socially.

58:42I would love to do that. Let's do it. Yeah, fuck you. Yeah, okay, well you know, feel just like you're back against the world. Yeah, I'm lucky man. Come on. I got with you anytime. Yeah, great. Call me two o 'clock in the morning. We're gonna meet you somewhere. Okay, perfect. I'll bring you down to my comedy club. Oh yeah. Yeah, comedy club on some street. What's your phone? Comedy Mother Ship. Yeah, I'd like to do that. It's fun. It's a great place. My buddy Jimmy Doer is there this weekend who's also great and he's filming his comedy special there this weekend. Oh really? Yeah, Jimmy Doer is amazing.

59:13He is another guy that's risen as an independent journalist. He's a comedian and he started his show Basically just making fun of political things and then during the pandemic got vaccine injured and really got kind of red -pilled and kind of became like the voice of truth and reason and You know another guy has been completely outcast by supposedly progressive people for just telling the truth the inconvenient truth But I guess the progressives are they now the conservatives? We gotta change the term because the progressives seem a lot less progressive. Yeah. And I really felt quite during this whole thing.

59:56I felt quite. Yeah. I think they got co -opted and I think it was on purpose. I think there was some very sophisticated psychological manipulation that was involved and a lot of money was being spent in order to push some very specific narratives. And they did a great job of it. You know, they did a great job of it, but we're finding out because of the Department of Government Efficiency that most of this was funded by our own tax dollars, which is really fucking crazy. A lot of these NGOs that supported a lot of these crazy riots and all these different things that were happening in our cities was really supported by our own tax dollars.

1:00:32And it's just, it was just a subversion of public discourse. You know instead of allowing people to figure out what's right and what's wrong They pushed what they wanted you to say and anybody who deviated from that was canceled and because of the fact that before Elon bought Twitter The left had complete total control over the narrative because they owned all the social media sites and they were in lockstep with the government so it was just a Dark time for information, but a few brave people you know brave the storm and one of them was Jimmy Oh, that's good. That's a good idea. He's great. You would love him.

1:01:09Shout out to him. He's great. You know, I remember when the guy was, remember that guy, I think they were London maybe, but it was the guy who was, I think, the directed one portion of Pfizer and he met with some guy and he had a body cam. that the other guy had a body cam. It was like a date on tenders. Oh, it was like when those project and parent work James O 'Keefe things. Did you not see it? I'm sure I did. But this is the perfect example of how the trusted news initiative managed to, a lot of news just never got to people because the guy had a body cam and it's talking to him and the guy who works for Pfizer saying they've just had a meeting talking about how they could weaponize these other viruses in order to basically create another pandemic to create so that they would have the vaccine to address it and make more money, which is not a surprising thing that they would be discussing, but what was great was he admitted it to the guy while they're sitting there at a little diner.

1:02:22It's always chatty guys. But no, but the main thing huh it's always chatty gay guys it's always a guy on a date with another guy it's like I'll tell you what we're doing it's like they just chatted up but the incredible thing like he got the stuff that he said was incredible what was more incredible oh he told the guy basically that he'd been filming him the guy freaks out anyway this should have been across every possible platform of media of course and yet you did not see it zero in mainstream media, but because Musk had bought Twitter, Musk put it on and it immediately got 40 million views and also what's his name, Tucker Carlson put it on and then there was a lot of views that way but other than that but if you ask your average person, they never heard of this incident.

1:03:13It's like an amazing thing talking about what's the term for that, the weaponization of a virus. Do you know? He's looking at a term for the representation of a virus. Yeah. I don't know. Anyway, they do it. But that's what they think that they were doing and trying to. And we were trying to. Well, 100%. They were weaponizing. Well, that was why you would get banned off of all these social media platforms if you even brought that up. Right. I mean, it used to be if you brought that up on YouTube, you get pulled from YouTube. Now it's a fact. that's a undeniable fact. All the things, like you said about Robert Malone, all the things that he said are now fact.

1:03:59Everything, every single one of them. The fact that the injection doesn't stay locally, that it infects various parts of your body in different ways. If it gets to your heart, it's very dangerous, because your heart doesn't have the ability to heal, which is why you don't get heart cancer. So your heart just scars over, and you get myocarditis. He started talking about all these different effects, and he personally was vaccine injured. So he's a guy who took it almost had a fucking heart attack. I was like, what is going on? His whole body freaked out. It was deadly sick, managed to get through it, then started speaking out against it, then started doing more research and finding out what was going on.

1:04:33And then that was the collective freak out. Well, it's incredible that so many people were injured, and yet it's still kind of not widely disgusting. I think people are discussing it. More people are discussing it now, but it's still, there's a lot of people that don't want to bring it up because they don't want the heat. They saw what happened to people that did bring it up and they don't want that coming their way. It's still fresh in their memory and they keep their mouth shut. Yeah, but over time. Did you find out what it was called? What was the biological warfare? I don't know. No, no, it's a term.

1:05:12It's a term for it, huh? A term? I don't know what the term is. Anyway, it doesn't matter. It's just, I don't know. It's a crazy time in this world. Yeah. But crazy times are fun too. Because people snap out of it. They pop through it, they come out on the other side, and they go, what the fuck was going on? And then you have a re -examining of society. And I think that's happening right now. And I think that's a good thing. As long as people keep their cool, and they don't go tribal, You can't go tribal. You can't go us versus them. They're the bad guys. The fucking, all those people blew hair, those fucking pieces of shit.

1:05:52No, they're sad lost people. That's what it is. Sad lost angry people that think they have to lash out at the other for the problems that is really caused by gigantic corporations and the exchange of money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. always comes down. Yeah, follow the money. Follow that. Oh, it's always the money. And it's never enough. It's a weird thing about us. And again, I think part of the problem is this lack of methods to escape. And I don't mean escape reality. I mean, to escape the the fog, the fog of propaganda. And that's, I mean, that's literally why all that stuff was made illegal in 1970.

1:06:40Richard Nixon was trying to stop the anti -war effort in the civil rights movement. That's why they turned the schedule one when they sweeping schedule one prohibition act of all psychedelic drugs. That's what that was about. It wasn't about protecting society. If it was, they would have got rid of oxy -contin. They would have got rid of addictive painkillers and fight it in percuss sets, they never got rid of any of that stuff. They got rid of big max for that matter. See, I know, listen, I know you're a mean guy. You love me, but can we say big max are not the greatest thing for you? No, they're not great.

1:07:14They're not great for you, but I feel like you should be able to eat a big max if you want to. I feel like you should have a discipline. Hey, you should have a good thing if you want to. I wouldn't care if you shot up right now. But that's what I'm saying. Don't get rid of big max, but don't eat him every day. You fucking idiot. It's like I say about Doritos. People are like, oh, they're gonna, we should get Doritos off No, Doritos as they are are a perfect snack. They're delicious, but they're fucking terrible for you. Just like cigarettes, just like whiskey. They're terrible for you. But in the moment, they're great.

1:07:44The key is recover and then don't do it every day. That's the key. The key to all things is moderation, all things. Did. Which sheet of giving me this speech like? I was 20. You know, and some precipice after 21, I just started. I could became a moderate, you know. In fact, I didn't even smoke pot until I was 21. I didn't smoke pot until I didn't drink. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I thought it was going to turn you into a loser. I bought into all of it. I grew up with a lot of people that had drug problems. And I wanted to succeed in life. and my biggest fear was being a loser. You know, just someone who just never got their shit together and I was like, well, anything that gets in the way of being successful and being healthy and happy, avoid that.

1:08:39And now, what at point did you say to yourself, I'm definitely not a loser. There's no chance of me being a loser. Oh, I don't know if you ever think, I guess I think that now. But I think you're, you're, are doing you sometimes doubt it and say, I'm a loser. Well, I definitely think I'm very hyper -critical, self -critical. So I battle against that because I think that's something that anybody who strives to be successful battles against, you always feel like you could do more. But there's a balance. Let me be doing more and being happy and enjoying yourself but also accomplishing things you want to do, feeling fulfilled, having worthwhile goals, things that you think are valuable, not just to you, but valuable to other people.

1:09:28Yeah, yeah. And then do you feel like you must feel like that now? Yeah, but I don't think about it honestly, because I think if you think about it, then you get lost. You then you get like, look how good I am. You can get really lost in success where you get intoxicated by that too. So I think you just got to kind of exist. You got to kind of exist and not feed your insecurities, but also don't feed any delusions of grandeur either. You know, just be a person. Just learn how to be a human being. But that's gotta be hard for you, dude, because I mean, you're at the tip -by -top of the tip -by -top.

1:10:10And everybody's gotta be kissing your ass and telling you how great you are. It's gotta be hard to not allow your ego to dictate things, you know? Yeah, I don't know. I stomp my ego pretty good. I do it with workouts. I do it with martial arts. I do it with cold plunging and saunas. I put myself through voluntary adversity. It's pretty fucking brutal. And that's my best way to achieve like a homeostasis. That's my best way to achieve like a balance. is that I put myself through way more than life ever gives me so that I'm always, you know, I get it, you know, you're always vulnerable, you're always weak, you're always late, there's always something.

1:10:57So as long as you confront that all the time, all the time and keep your mind healthy and balanced and have a healthy perspective, you know, there's a lot of like new AG sort of bullshit terms that unfortunately have been co -opted by silly people, you know, and but a lot of those like, they're very important, like gratitude. Gratitude is a really important quality that people should have, you know, mindfulness is a really important quality that people should have. But these things are co -opted by goofy people that where wouldn't be, and what I want you to join their cult. They want you to think that they're special and they're particularly spiritual.

1:11:45And so unfortunately, really good concepts are often tainted by silly people. Like love and God and a lot of the things that are really beneficial to us as a society. They get co -opted by goofy people. Like how many people have been turned off by religion, by watching mega pastors in these huge churches, flying around a private jets and driving a Rolls Royces like, oh, well, this is all bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. Do you, uh, I had a couple of, no, do you think that, do you think, um, I mean, I'm curious. I must know, I must have heard you talk about this, but what is your, your concept of religious.

1:12:36I mean, do you have a specific religion that you adhere to? Not necessarily. I'm not in favor of any restrictive religions. I'm not in favor of any religions that punish people that don't follow them. And I'm not in favor of any religions that force a very rigid structure on people that has to be adhered to or your center or cast out or I think that most religious experience, I think most religion is based on human beings, very unique experiences that are provided enlightenment and they're trying to express that enlightenment to other people. And I think the problem with religious stories are that people are full of shit and a lot of those stories suck.

1:13:34A lot of those stories are probably distorted by the hand of man, but I think you know I'm of the school of thought that a lot of the religious experiences that people talk about were probably inspired by psychedelic experiences. And you know there's a great book called The Sacred Mushroom in the Cross by John Marco Olegro, do you know about that book? I've heard of it but I never read it. Yeah. It's a great book. But it's very hard to follow because It's very unless you understand Aramaic unless you understand the translation of Dead Sea Scrolls like It's a foreign air mage. Oh Correct questions.

1:14:09Are you really yeah? I got air mage. I got obviously French. I Had to learn Spanish when I was working construction in Houston and then Yeah, I got Can you hear some of that microphone push that microphone up? I got some of the click languages. Oh really? No, I only speak only English. Come on, yeah. He made you do. Well, the John Marco Allegro book, he was an ordained minister, but he was one of the people that was assigned to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls, and he did it over the course of, I think I was about 14 years. And then he wrote this book because it was his belief, and he was a very straight -lay scholar.

1:14:49He was of a psychedelic enthusiast. But he He believed that the entire Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals. And he thinks that a lot of these stories that their origins come from that. And he believed that a lot of it was the amity to miscarry a mushroom, which is a very confusing mushroom, because a lot of people have a hard time tripping on it. They don't know exactly. And Terence McKenna believed that the problem was that it was the psychedelic compounds and it varied regionally and genetically, and that they weren't all the same, and that a lot of these people that were having these experiences were not, it really depended upon where you get them from, and how you got them, and how you treated it, and a lot of that information was lost.

1:15:38And also, there's certain religious ceremonies that involved very mysterious things like Soma. Soma from the ancient Hindu texts, they don't know what was in there. They don't know what it was, but it seems like it was some sort of a psychedelic compound. Whether it was a blue lotus and psilocybin or a combination of many things, you know, like the Elisthenian mysteries, where in ancient Greece, they believed that that was Urgot, that Urgot was mixed in with the wine Urgot, which is a very similar experience to LSD. Yeah, there's a great book on that too. If you've never read it, It's called the immortality key by a scholar named Brian Mererescu, who's a brilliant guy, who's been on the podcast a couple of times.

1:16:25But he's done a lot of like really legitimate work on proving that these vessels, these wine containers that they had from these ancient times, they found trace elements of Urgot in these wine vessels. And they know that wine back then was not just fermented grapes. They would add a bunch of things to the wine. And so party please yeah, so these Experiences that people would have they would go to elicis and I went there when I was in Greece a couple years ago And it's an amazing place man when you're there like it feels weird when you go to the place where they had these psychedelic rituals like the place Has a bizarre memory that you feel when you're there You like because you can literally walk on the grounds where they had these rituals and And you're there and you're like, whoa, this place feels wild.

1:17:16It just like, you know, my parents, my kids rather were like, what's wrong? I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm just like, it's weird out by this place. Like I feel it. I feel like a bizarre connection with this place. Like it feels alive. Like it's like it's humming or something. It was very weird. Very weird. I was touching the rocks and just trying to like feel like what's going on here. It's like you got a thousands of years ago, these people were just tripping balls and inventing democracy right here at this very spot. You know, it's literally the roots of democracy. They had to be tripping to think something so bold as democracy.

1:17:53Yeah. I mean, literally, it is literally what we were talking about. Like if you want something that accentuates compassion and this sense of family and brotherhood and sisterhood that we're all together in this thing, what better than psychedelic drugs? Yeah. And that's why they're illegal. Exactly. It gets in the way, it gets in the way of this us versus them narrative that is so prevalent in our goofy society that's detached from these sacred compounds. Yeah, there are, you know, it really is a unifying thing. I've always from the first time I tried it, you know, I just felt such bonnet me, you know, and such compassion to everybody around me.

1:18:40Yeah, makes you kinder. Huh? It makes you kinder. It makes you kinder. Yeah, that's what I call a kind bud. Kind bud. That's probably what I call it that. I have a little of that kind, but yeah, no, I like the image of it. It's just a unifier, you know. And so that's what makes me wonder why does Texas not just say hey, let's open the doors to this It's not a bad thing. Yeah, you could have the best cafes in Austin. I know yeah Well, it's weird because there's certain weed here that's legal What is it Delta nine is that the legal stuff or Delta eight which one it's weird? It's weird because it's like pretty much just weed.

1:19:23Yeah, I never got into that stuff though It's just a different version of the plant. They didn't get you high. Oh, yeah does really oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I Yeah I get When it's you can't add a yeah, I don't know what they're doing I don't know how they're doing it but somehow another they're skirting around the rules and Developing something that is basically the same that has different genetics. I don't know, I don't understand it. Now I heard they're trying to work out a thing where there's no more that those exceptions here. Oh, well, that would suck. The legislature. That's goofy. I mean, there's plenty of things to concentrate on.

1:20:13Why concentrate on that? It's just, it's a dumb rule. It's a dumb rule that's mostly enforced by people don't know what the experience is. They have a distorted idea what the experience is. and they think it's just gonna make people losers. Well also it's being mandated from people with different kinds of, you know, desires and a lot of it financial, but, you know, anything that does, you know, I consider a crime, anything I do that hurts you or your property. Otherwise there's no crime. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. And I think we gotta get past that. I think there's just a lot of people that recognize that.

1:20:55But what they did in the 1970s was very effective. They threw water on the entire psychedelic movement and the civil rights movement and the anti -war movement and they did it by banning a lot of these compounds that were changing the way people thought about life. And the whole piece of love and hippie movement of the 1960s was all inspired by psychedelic drugs, all of it. Right. And it was a revolutionary, complete change of society from 1950 to 1960. I mean, ten years, things became the music and culture became almost unrecognizable. It could change so radically. And I think it was terrifying to the powers that be.

1:21:37And unfortunately, the propaganda that they pushed, just like the propaganda that we saw during the COVID times and propaganda that you have whenever there's a war, that propaganda is sticky. That stuff sticks. It sticks around for a long time and unless you have viable representations of opposing narratives that are really effective. It's very hard for people to change their perspective on things without a personal experience Right, and most of these people that are like, you know straight laced, you know, no nonsense type folks They don't want to smoke weed. I'm gonna ruin my brain You know, I've heard like legitimate scientists say I would never want to interfere with the way my brain works Okay, do you drink coffee?

1:22:21Shut the fuck up. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Do you exercise? What do you do? Do you eat good food? There's a lot of things that change the way your brain works. This is a dumb way to look. You really want your doctor looking healthy. You don't want to walk in, see some obese, you know, having a trouble breathing type of guy. Yeah. You know, it's going to give you your advice. Well, that was one of the most fast, same things about COVID. When I was talking to Dr. Peter Hotez, who's an overweight guy who eats junk food and he's telling me everybody's got to get vaccinated.

1:22:53I'm like, are you healthy? Like, are you healthy? Because you don't see, do you work out? Like, do you eat, well, do you take vitamins? No, no, no, no. None of those things. But you think that like chemicals, that the only way that you're gonna get healthy is from a laboratory and an injection. That doesn't seem real. That seems crazy. The whole notion is to bolster your immune systems response to this specific item, right? But so, if your immune system's strong, you really have nothing to fear. Well, if you have one system a week, you have also a lot to fear by taking a vaccine that can with this reason one, it actually hurts the immune system, it harms the immune system.

1:23:44Especially the repeated dose people should get vaccinated should old people get vaccinated I don't think so. Yeah, I mean the problem was also any sort of I mean This is Dr. Berks is now I mean admitting this when she's being questioned is that they they stopped any Early treatments that weren't the vaccine and that they probably shouldn't have done that and that a lot of people could have been saved because of that and that's true And then that's something that people need to, that's one of the best aspects of Bobby's book, Bobby Kennedy's book, the real Anthony Fauci is like, understand like what pressures were put on these organizations to stifle and completely stop the prescription use of a bunch of different things, hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin.

1:24:34Also like the studies that were done on vitamin D deficiencies and how that impacted immune systems and just sunlight, exercise, diet. All those things play a critical factor in how well your immune system functions. The idea that the only way your immune system functions at its peak is you've got to stick a fucking metal pin filled with a solution that gets plunged into your tissue. That's the only way. It's the only way, Woody. You've got to shove a fucking needle in your arm. Like what? But you make a great point because it's like, you know, why didn't we hear from America's Dr. Fauci or who are the other representatives on medical industry maybe eat less sugar.

1:25:16Yeah. Maybe eat less fast food. Maybe exercise. There was no other directive. No. Take the vaccine. No, it's the only directive. They didn't want a fat shame. So they never told anybody to lose weight. Yeah. One of the major comorbidities that affected people negatively. Yeah, yeah. Bill Marrow was on to that really early. Yeah, that's a good point. So weird, weird times. But again, I hope. Me too. And excited of everything. I have hope. Well, because I believe in people generally, you know, like, you know, like in California and New York, they look at Texas is like, you know, this lost state, you know what I mean?

1:26:01Greatest people in the world. Yeah. Greatest, kindest, nicest people. Yeah. But you may not want to talk about certain subjects, you know what I mean? Yeah. So, yeah. Just avoid those subjects you get along. And even the subjects that you're supposed to avoid, why? Why are we avoiding them? Well, I agree. I'd like to talk about any subjects. Yeah. I like it a little healthy, you know. Yeah. Debate. Also, I want to know why you think the way you think. If you think totally different than me, I want to sit down with you and I want to give you all the room in the world to say what you think. I want to know how you came to those conclusions.

1:26:47I want to know what your childhood was like. I want to know what experiences have you had that led you to have these concrete evaluations of the way society is that are so different than mine. That's a great compassionate vantage point. That's what we really lacked. Yeah, we need that. You need to sit down with people that you don't agree with and find out and oftentimes they fall apart. That's the fascinating thing. Given up for room, he's keep talking to them, they fall apart. One of the weirdest conversations I had on this podcast was talking to Dr. Sanjay Gupta from CNN. They sent him over here to fucking straight me out.

1:27:25And you know by the end of it, it was a very bizarre conversation by the end of it He was essentially agreeing with me. I Had heard that he didn't think you should necessarily vaccinate. I thought he was a little more progressive He's smart But he's also working for CNN and you know, he's also a neurosurgeon So he's you know, yeah, he's a bright guy He's just like captured by the system and that's that's part of the problem But there was a lot of things that didn't make any sense like one of the ones where he wanted me to get vaccinated after I'd recovered from COVID Yeah, like did I COVID shouldn't that be the reason I'm already vaccinated basically?

1:28:03Yeah Well, I'd recovered from COVID in three days It wasn't hard at all and that's when I got hit That's when everybody came after me was because I was a bad example because I was healthy and That was giving people bad information by telling them all the things that I took to get better Which is really weird and then they they focused on this one thing which was Ivermectin I told, I read a laundry list of stuff that I took. IV vitamins, NAD, Ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies. I talked about all the different stuff that my doctor put me on, and I was better in three days. And then, with CNN, they turned my face yellow.

1:28:39They put a filter on the video to make me look sick. And they started talking about me taking horse paste, which is crazy. They said I was taking a veterinary medicine. Yeah, the Ivermectin. Yeah. They suddenly calling it that in spite of it treating millions of humans effectively. Billions of prescriptions have been filled. Billions. Billions of times, human beings have taken Ivermectin. They have the guy who invented it in the statue at the WHO. I mean, that's why because he invented Ivermectin. He won the Nobel Prize. That was an interesting thing how they made these other drugs, you know, negative It was a chloro...

1:29:22Hydroxychloro... Hydroxychloro is another Ivermectin which some Legitimate doctors found to be effective in us. It's true, but from a malaria... You can't even bring it up. And then you couldn't even get it. Yeah. Like, suddenly they made it ungetable. Yeah. Well, you couldn't get it from Walgreens. They wouldn't prescribe it for you. Unless you had, like, some sort of a... Malaria or something. Yeah, you'd have to have, or some sort of a parasite. I mean, that's why, you know, they said it was a dewormer because it was anti -paracidic. But when I said it to the Sanjay Gupta, I go, but yes, but it's also been shown to stop viral replication in vitro.

1:29:59And I said, you know that, right? And you can see this is just looking at this face like, oh, shit. Because that's a fact. Like, they've studied viral replication. You use Ivermectin Petri dishes. It stops viral replication. It's a fact. There's studies on this. Also, it's one of the most safe drugs known to man. It's like the safety profiles incredible. And this idea that rolling stones, printing articles that people are having over doses from Ivermectin and people can't get into the emergency room because of gunshot wounds, they even showed a photograph of a bunch of people outside of an emergency room wearing winter coats in August.

1:30:41because it was a photograph of people waiting in line to get a flu shot. It was a bullshit photograph that fucking Rolling Stone published. Like this is so wild to watch because it's not just propaganda. It's really shitty propaganda because it's not much truthful they can say that would go against this stuff. So they have to just say it's horse dewormer. You're a fool. You're taking horse dewormer. But what they didn't understand is at the time, they didn't understand the media landscape. They thought they were still huge, but they didn't understand like an average video on my show was like 10 times bigger than their show.

1:31:21It's just, we weren't talking about it, we weren't saying it. So they still thought they were CNN, they were gonna crush this rebellion against this one specific thing that you had to do, which was get vaccinated. Right. I was fucking remember when George went when Biden rather was on television who's talking about the hurricane was coming Most important thing when the hurricane is coming is get vaccinated Everything's harder if you're not vaccinated Yeah, well All that money they gave those guys they gave a lot of money they got they had to do something Yeah pay back is wild though It's going to affect their ability to make money in the future, that's for sure.

1:32:04Especially CNN. Yeah. They ought to get hit. Honestly, I won't miss these other organizations in I'm more right now. I watch them every now and then. They lost my confidence. Yeah. Yours in most peoples. Yeah. I think that's good. You know, I do. I think that's just, it's healthy. That's the human mental immune system Weeding out pathogens That's true the media you take in can certainly be a pathogen. Yeah, it is but again There's a lot of cool shit out there, you know, it's like you can concentrate on that or you can concentrate on how much cool music There is now how much great comedy there is now many great movies there are now there's plenty of things to concentrate on it's like There's just the problem is there's a lot of people, their business is division.

1:32:57Yeah. Yeah. What's that? So politics and religion cause more division. But it's really government and media. It's really money. It's really money. If there was no money in politics and there was no money in pharmaceutical drugs and there's no money in war. We live in a much better place. Your lips to God's ears on that. We have to move closer to that, somehow or another. And whether Bobby Kennedy can help us along those lines and all these other people that are trying very hard to stomp out a lot of this bullshit that we've been experiencing for so long. Hopefully. Yeah. I mean, Bobby, I really hope he's able to do some good things because he's certainly a man on a mission and a man who cares deeply.

1:33:53And I think really heroic how much he stood up for things that he didn't need to talk about, you know, that didn't help him in any way. Right. He just took one arrow after the other over it. And not to me, even if he was wrong, which I don't think he was, then it's heroic to do that. Yeah. Yeah, and he wasn't wrong. The thing is, it's like I was, I was a victim of that propaganda. And I told them that when I met him and I had him on the show, I said, I always thought you were a cook. I'd always heard, I'd bought into it. I just had this sort of cursory examination of what people are saying about you.

1:34:32Like, oh, that guy doesn't believe in vaccines. He's a nut. He's a, some sort of an anti -science nut. It was just a conspiracy theorist. He's just like all these other nutty people. Right. And then I read his book. And I was like, okay, well, this book is real. Why Why isn't he getting sued? If it's not real, why isn't he getting sued? If all these things he's saying about Anthony Fauci during the AIDS crisis, if that's not true, why isn't he not getting sued? I would sue the fuck out of him if he lied about me and said I was vaccinating foster kids with experimental drugs that were killing them.

1:35:03I would sue you if that was not true. Like, hey, you fucking liar, I never did that. This is a lie. You can't prove, but it's not a lie. And if it wasn't lie, you'd get sued. If it being truth, they just ignored it. Yeah, but man, that is a heavy tone. Yeah. Oh my God, there's some info in there just blew my mind. Yeah, like the way Fauci was able to get these principal investigators from like all these respectable colleges and put them on these committees that ended up saying, yeah, this is the vaccine we'll use. This is the we'll use AZT. He started with the AZT. Oh yeah. And, you know, AZT was known to be a highly toxic, really ineffective drug.

1:35:50Yeah. And of course, but it was, that was the one they picked. And so they started using that again. And I don't know how many people that killed. They killed friends of mine, you know. AZT was very toxic. And they finally had to yank it. Yeah. And now they use different chemical cocktails. but like Fouchy did some extraordinarily evil shit. He was what he did. He was the villain of the Dallas Bires Club, that movie. That was about people trying to seek alternative treatments to deal with AIDS. Oh, right, right. Yeah, that's Fouchy. Right, right, right. That's AZT. Yeah, yeah. Magic Johnson got on AZT and he was killing him and he got off of it.

1:36:32Yeah. Yeah. And he's still alive. And he's still alive. Yeah, yeah, it's a It's a bomber it's just a bummer that someone had that kind of power for so long it was such a fucking monster Did you see that little meme that went around and it was right after he got First time anyone ever got pre -partened Yeah, and you said nothing says tr - nothing says trust science like a blanket pre -part Yeah, picture Fauci. Well the problem with that pre -pardon is he's pre -pardon federally But he's not pre -pardon state -wise. He states can still sue him not only that But when you're pardoned then you can no longer plead the fifth so you could be health or perjury So there's there's a lot of issues with being pardoned that I don't think Biden took into consideration or Fauci took into consideration either I think they just wanted anything to protect him because he knew it was common.

1:37:33He knew that they had, I mean, just the emails that were available that showed collusion where they, he had gotten a hold of all these different researchers and changed their perspective on whether or not it was a lab leak because through ego health alliance, they had funded gain of function research after Obama had... Gain of function. That's what I was trying to do with things. Okay, yeah. But gain of function is essentially taking a virus and making it more infectious to human things. weaponizing the virus. Yeah, yeah. The idea is supposedly to study it, but if you're studying it and you don't have a fucking cure, you've been studying this shit for so long and you don't have a cure, like what are you actually doing?

1:38:11Well, you're doing weapons research. This is one of the things that Bobby's talked about with Lyme disease, or they try to get them on Lyme disease, which is a very funny grilling. They say, did you say that Lyme disease was a leaked bio -weapon? He was, I probably did. He did. Plum Island. They were fucking researching whether or not they could infect bugs, fleas and ticks, and then dump them on populations to overwhelm their medical system and to use it as a bio -weapon so we could invade easier. Yeah, they did that. Where the masters of war. Yeah. But yeah, that's a funny way. A good impersonation, by the way.

1:38:51It's not hard. Yeah. Unfortunately. Poor Bobby. I mean, a really science wanted to come fix his fucking voice, man. If that guy had his old voice, he'd be a lot more powerful. It's like people dismiss him because his voice is hard. It's hard to listen to sometimes. Yeah, and that condition he has, you would think there'd be some way to address it, but I don't know. Well, he believes that condition came from the flu vaccine. Oh. It's a side effect of flu vaccines. You just take a flu vaccine every year. And so he developed this voice problem and he believes it's a vaccine injury, which is very ironic.

1:39:28Wow. Yeah. Ain't no that. Yeah. Yeah. Those fucking things don't work either. Those things, and he's talked about that, like even if it protects you from that one flu, it makes you many more times more likely to catch other things. He were fucking around with complex systems inside human bodies with pharmaceutical drugs that have been the way they've studied them is filled with shenanigans. They might do 10 studies and one of them shows effectiveness because they've rigged the study in a certain way and then they like he explained to me that the reason why they could say it's 100 % effective was because one person got it in the vaccine trial and two people got it in the placebo.

1:40:16So that's 100%. 100%. You know, yeah, one is 100 % better than two. Like what? That's great. No, that's not 100 % means nobody gets infected. You fucking assholes. That should be a law. That should be a crime to explain things like that. I had this guy on who was, he litigated against pharmaceutical drug companies, particularly against viox. when they released this anti -inflammatory medication viox and some 50 to 60 ,000 people died from it. A friend of mine got a stroke from viox. This guy was saying that when you hear peer reviewed studies, when they do a vaccine study, they don't even give the peer reviewers the raw data.

1:41:08They give the peer reviewers the data as it's been interpreted by the scientists who work for the pharmaceutical drug companies. So they review it and then they give their version of it to these other scientists who are already on the payroll. They're all NIH funded, everybody's together, everybody's all in the loop, everybody's dependent upon whether or not they're going to receive grants and funding. It's all based on Fauci and that's how you find out whether or not something is good or bad. It's all rigged. And when he was explaining, I'm like, that can't be real. He's explaining to us, showing us how it works.

1:41:43It's corrupt. It's fully, completely, totally corrupt. And if anything Bobby can do, it's, make sure that we have valid studies, valid real peer reviewed studies on everything. On everything that people are supposed to be taking. Let's find out what the fuck is really good for you because it's not like all pharmaceutical drugs are bad. A lot of pharmaceutical drugs have helped people save people's lives Enhanced people's lives cured diseases. There's a lot of stuff that's great. Let's find out what it is What's real and what's bad and why why are you profiting off of shit that's killing people?

1:42:21That shouldn't be so hard, would he I'd vote for you, dude Oh, I don't want to run for nothing and I know it'd be stepped down. Why would you yeah? No, no, no, just headache in your life, but I'm just saying I would vote for you Thanks, that's terrifying

1:42:39You want to have those days where you just have a lion, you know what I mean? Not getting up to maybe noon. You can't have that if you were president, you know, get one day like that. No, unless you're Biden, I think he slept a lot. I think that's really the president. That's maybe. Yeah, that's what's really wild. I don't know, man. Like I said, I'm encouraged and I also think things are going to get really weird with AI. I think with AI, and especially when AI gets attached to quantum computing, we're going to have an undeniable access to truth that's going to be very disconcerting to a lot of people.

1:43:21We're going to have an understanding of the reality of the world that we live in that's going to be very undeniable, and it's going to be strange. And unfortunately, there's going to be a lot of propaganda that's with that too because you know a lot of this AI is programmed by people so there'll be a battle of which AI is the most trusted and effective and and then the real fear is that AI governs us which is probably going to happen. We're probably going to be going to be going to be more effective. The government so far has really been subpar. Yeah. I mean, I don't look at individual presidents because I just look at like overall the presidents have to bow down and kiss the ring no matter who it is So you're not getting in there, right?

1:44:09So, you know, the last guy didn't was probably John Kennedy, you know But certainly even a guy like Carter who I love, you know, I consider the best, you know Everybody has to kiss the ring So he didn't kiss it enough. That's what they got rid of Well, you know what he did he he he levy to windfall Profit's tax on the oil companies because they were gouging they were making so much profit, right? Yeah, which happens all the time, you know whether it be the oil companies or what you're bored the vaccine companies Whatever if this is insane, you know profits that are just you know, they create some fear and then boom Yeah, they make a lot of money and so but he was bold enough to lay this tax on them for their profit and that's what killed him.

1:45:01He was there was no way he was getting another term after that. Yeah. And that's right. And then it was after that that Oliver North was vital in helping to kill that rescue attempt with the helicopter. And also the conscious versus the sentinistas, the selling crack in Los Angeles in order to fund all that shit. all that stuff is going on the same time. Yeah, absolutely. I totally believe that. Oh, it's fact. I had a freeway Ricky Ross, the guy who went to jail for it, on the podcast a few times. Oh, we see the guy, the plane, he had the planes, and he was flying in. No, that was Gary Webb. That was Gary Webb.

1:45:41The guy was flying into me in Arkansas. Gary Webb, right. Yeah. It's a Gary Webb. Oh, no, Barry Seal. Gary Webb was the reporter who committed suicide. Didn't he shoot himself in the head twice? Yeah. That's right. Barry Seale, thank you. The first one would have slowed down the second bullet. Yeah. A little bit. A little bit. He was one of the main whistleblowers about that. It's a sort of horrible history. But freeway Ricky Ross was unbeknownst to him was selling cocaine, funding this war. And he didn't even know what was going on until he went to jail. He couldn't read. went to jail, became literate, and then became a lawyer in jail, and then figured out that they tried him on the three strikes rule incorrectly, got out of jail.

1:46:30And now he runs weed dispensaries in California. Really? He's a great guy. Where does he live? He was an L .A. He's a great guy. You know Rick Ross the rapper? He stole his name from freeway Rick Ross. Rick Ross was a famous like street gangster. This famous street coke dealer who was making millions of dollars a week and couldn't read. He was a tennis player, a really good tennis player who then used the discipline of being a tennis player to become a very disciplined drug dealer. Yeah. Just like Pfizer, discipline drug dealer.

1:47:12Yeah, and now he's out. And a wonderful guy to talk to. It's a fun guy, like very happy, peaceful guy. And I mean, what a story. Learn how to read in jail and then realize that they fucked him and then tried his own case and got out. Wow, that's impressive. Yeah, amazing, amazing. My daughter is a lawyer. She's a public defender in Manhattan. and she loves it. Oh wow, that's cool. And she's helping a lot of people who are at a kind of a pivotal point in their lives where it could just be, you know, and they can't get her unless they have no money, you know what I mean? So like they're already in dire straits and she just loves helping people.

1:47:59That's beautiful. She's an incredible kid. I'm so proud of her. That's amazing. That's really, that's a beautiful way to live your life. And I'm like, you're gonna be a lawyer? And then it's like, oh, a lawyer that makes no money. Bravo. Bravo. Isn't that crazy? We all think like lawyers are all evil. No, there's great lawyers. My good friend Josh Dupin, he used to work for the Innocent Project. Now he works with Ike Pearlmutter. And we had a bunch of podcasts where we've highlighted Innocent people who were incarcerated. And just through this podcast, we've got a bunch of people released. That's doing something great.

1:48:39Yeah, I mean he's amazing. He's like completely dedicated his life to wrongly incarcerated people. What's his name? Josh Dubin. Where is he live? Florida. He was a New York guy, a moot Florida fairly recently. Wow. Yeah. Great guy. Love and the death. And does nothing but great work, just helping people. Just constantly concentrating all these different cases where it's like, you know, corrupt up DAs, corrupt prosecutors, corrupt judges. It's like, you know, it's all over the place. Like one of the guys that Biden pardoned was one of the people that was involved in that kids for cash, where they were putting kids in detention centers just for profit.

1:49:21Oh. Yeah, you know that story, right? I'm not, no, I don't know. There was a judge, was it Pennsylvania? Yeah, there was a judge in Pennsylvania that was making millions of dollars through putting kids in detention centers and ruining kids' lives, causing suicides, deaths, downward spiral of their life, like wrongfully detaining them and doing it for profit. How was he getting a kickback? He's getting kickbacks, getting kickbacks from private prisons. Oh, from private prisons? Yeah, from private prisons, from prosecutors, from, I mean, I don't know exactly who was funding it, but he was convicted and he's one of the guys Biden pardoned.

1:50:03Really? It's sick. Biden pardoned like 8 ,000 people. Did he? Yeah, he pardoned more people than anybody. Which generally I'm a fan of pardoning people. I think most people are incarcerated for far too long. I don't think it rehabilitates people. I think it probably makes them more hard and criminals in most of the cases, a few cases where people decide to take a better path and jail and educate themselves and learn, come out a better person. I've met a lot of those people. And unfortunately, I've met a lot of those people from Josh Dubin that were wrongly incarcerated and then came out these amazing, incredibly intelligent, really well -read, interesting people because they dedicated themselves to doing that while they were in jail.

1:50:45Because they realized like, I did not commit this crime. I'm forced into this situation. What can I do to make better of my life on here? Well, I'm going to educate myself and I'm going to come out a better person. That's great. By the way, I wouldn't mind a pre -parten. You do whatever you want. You just pre -parten to credit. I have a pre -parten. There's a lot of people that got pre -partens. They were like, how did Adam and Shift get a pre -parten? Why is Liz Cheney got a pre -parten? What did you do? What did you do that you needed? But also how that's never happened before. There's never been a pre -parten.

1:51:19How can you pardon someone if they haven't been convicted of something? Well, there's a lot of debate on the constitutionality of it, too. Whether or not that's even what the pardons were intended for. And that was the thing during the 2020, like when Trump was leaving the office, you know, there was talk about what if he pre -pardons his family, that would be outrageous and all the Democrats were against it. And then, of course, when Biden did it, everybody just shut up. A pre -pardon is son from 2000, what, 14 or something? 11? Oh, what a good guy.

1:51:56Yeah, that was necessary. Yeah, that was a pre -part. It was never charged. I seemed like a post -part in that point. It was about to be charged and he was never... What was Gerald Ford going to be charged? No, no, so Nick's going to be charged. So Nick's going to be a squad of gates. Oh, a squad of gates. Yeah. That's another one. The squad of gates, one's a weird one too. because the lead guy was an intelligence agent who is all the sudden a reporter. You guys have pre -partenless torched up your bush, gave some to the Iran Contra affair people. Oh, I would have talked about it. Casper Weinberger, there you go.

1:52:35Abraham Lincoln did. There's a Civil War President Abraham Lincoln preempted pardons, part of the broader strategy to maintain national unity. Okay. Extended to Confederate sympathizers and soldiers. Okay, as an incentive to lay down arms and support the union. Should we call it different for the Vietnam draft? Yes, well, that was a good one. It was a few, but not like the same reasons. I remember I was a kid. I was living in San Francisco when the Vietnam War ended. My parents were hippies. We were living in like, Hade Ashburg, like down near Lombard Street in the middle of like hippie San Francisco.

1:53:11And I remember thinking, as a little kid, thinking, wow, finally the war is over. I don't have to think about war anymore. I'm like, people are gonna learn from this. I really believe that. You guys, you guys are hopeful first. Also, I was 10. Yeah, whatever I was. No, it's 10 -year -olds, I guess, are pretty hopeful. Yeah, well, you're terrified, because I thought of the idea being drafted. Like, in eight years from now, can I be drafted? And I have to go and fight for some fucking insane more that makes no sense. And if you don't, they put you in a cage. like that was the reality of life in the 1960s when they had conscription.

1:53:49That's scary shit man. You know being forced to give up your life to go fight in some fucking insane war that makes sense. It's probably about heroin. Probably had a lot to do with heroin trade. Well yeah they say that that bombing in Laos was a lot of that on the Ho Chi Minh Trail. A lot of that had to do with that avenue for heroin there. Yeah, I'm that Ho Chi Minh trail. Well, how about Afghanistan? Yeah, Afghanistan. Yeah, that can't be a coincidence. Poppies there and poppies there. Not only that, we were guarding poppy fields. We were, because they, we needed these farmers, need to grow poppies, is like, this is how they make a living.

1:54:33We got to help them. We got to fight the Taliban. Then, you know, Now it's 90 plus percent of the world's opium that's coming from this area, like what? 90 percent? Oh yeah. Oh, I think it's 94. I think it was 94 percent of the world's heroin was coming from Afghanistan while we were occupying Afghanistan. Really? Oh yeah, where's it coming from? Probably Afghanistan still. No, it's safe. I mean, to Taliban, where the people that were against it, which is wild, 2021. one Afghanistan produced more than 90 % of the world's illicit heroin. However, Myanmar has since surpassed Afghanistan. Well, didn't Myanmar just have a giant coup?

1:55:13Didn't they have a military takeover of Myanmar? I think they did. I'm pretty sure because, uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's followed the drugs instead of follow the money. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Myanmar coup, just right coup. Yeah, four years after the coup, atrocity crimes. Oh. Four years after the coup, chaos reigns as Myanmar's military struggles. Yeah, they're probably taking control. I mean, if you've got a place where now they've taken over the heroin production of the world, and all of a sudden you have a military coup, shocking. Right. Crazy. It does seem to follow along. Yeah. Routes.

1:56:00Yeah. It's just, it's too many things to concentrate on. That's the problem. And we're all getting in and dated every day with terrible news from all over the world. And on one side, it makes people more accountable because now you know all the terrible things that are going on all over the world. But another thing, it's like it's unmanageable. If you're one human being living in Austin, your phone is blowing up all day with atrocities that are happening all over the world. You're like, what can I do? What is life? Everything's terrible. Meanwhile, you go to the coffee shop everybody's nice go to the go to the restaurant Say hi to it's like my world seems pretty fucking normal But it's but when you're inundated constantly so you're at this constant state of anxiety and weirdness and I know it's not a good thing, but I think that's why I stay away from the media I don't read newspapers.

1:56:47I don't you know, I just try to stay away because it yeah It's that toxifying element, you know, it can really, and granted, it keeps me ignorant. Yeah. It's the way they do say ignorance is bliss and I feel pretty blissful. So, I mean... Well, as long as somebody's paying attention, I guess it's okay. Well, I mean, about some of these items we've been discussing, you know, I've actually, you know, studied this. So, there's things that, but there's other things that I just can't get hit every day with 90 things that are so depressing, you know? Do you go on social media at all? No. I do have, I have, you know, what's the sacrifice?

1:57:34No, Instagram? Instagram, but because, you know, they make you like, you have to give us all your information and access to your picture. So I can't personally get on the Instagram, but if I have a picture, I have to get someone else to post the picture. Yeah, that's probably healthier. Yeah, that's probably healthier. Yeah, yeah. That'd be an honor all the time. Because I know a lot of people that are honored all the time and it makes them sick. It's like radiation poisoning. Yeah, I'm pretty much never on it. That's good. But I should post more. I post like once every six months or something.

1:58:13But no, I don't know. I'd rather have an alt to Instagram. So how do you find that a good all an all I don't know the problem is well X is what I use the most as far as like getting information but Every now and then I'll go on and watch people argue and see like this these toxic fights back and forth And that puts me in a shitty mood. I'm like god damn. Why do people fucking treat each other like this? Like it's like such a stupid way to communicate Yeah Now, that is, it's so disheartening. And it's also it amplifies the worst aspects of our society, which is like shitty division. It's like shitty division is what gets a lot of clicks.

1:58:57Partisan thoughts and attacking people, tribal thinking, that's what gets the most clicks. And that's what you see the most. But there's enough exposing of actual legitimate corruption and information about what's actually going on the world that I get out of there, that it bounces it out from me to the point where I'm willing to engage in it to a certain extent, but I don't do it at night and I don't do it when I think it's gonna like fuck me up before I go to bed. I don't do it if there's anything I really have to concentrate on because I don't want some new pathway to open up my mind. I'm concerned about this.

1:59:32But you know all of that adversity you face, do you feel like it actually increased your popularity? Yeah, yeah, definitely did. Yeah, like during the COVID stuff when I was they were trying to get me removed from Spotify in that one month I gained two million subscribers. Oh really? And the height of the attacks on me the show got way bigger. Yeah So how many people listen to that Robert Malone show? Would you say that's a good question between Spotify YouTube and all the clips fucking who knows hundreds of millions probably Oh, great. Yeah. A good show that gets spread around like how many different eyeballs will see it.

2:00:15I mean, it really depends on how profound the person's revelations are, like what they're talking about. Like, you know, like the biggest one we ever did. Well, some of the Elon, well, I think the biggest one we probably ever did was Bob Lazar. Is that number one? So the Bob Lazar one. Do you know Bob Lazar is? Bob Lazar is the guy that in 1989 he did an interview with George Napp in Las Vegas and he said he was working back engineering UFOs for the government and he has this crazy fucking story about working at Area S4, Site 4, an Area 51 and the Nevada Desert was at that point in time the government would deny that Area 51 even existed and he's like No, I work out there and I was working back engineering propulsion systems from crashed UFOs and he was explaining how these things work and explaining how it's in some sort of gravity propulsion device that works completely different than any propulsion device that we've ever devised and that they're trying to back engineer them.

2:01:17They don't know how to do it so they keep bringing in new propulsion experts. So he was a guy that it previously worked at Los Alamos Labs and then he gets a job and And they would, they're essentially throwing as much shit against the wall as possible, trying to see what sticks. Like, can you figure this out? And they're bringing in new people. And he was brought in apparently after allegedly, after an accident, where they try to cut into the reactor and exploded and people died. And so they said, okay, well, that's not going to work. Let's try another method, bring in some other people. And he was one of the people they brought in.

2:01:49And when you have top secret clearance, what happens is they tap all your phones, they listen to you all the time. Well, he had this job where he couldn't tell his wife what he was doing. So he would get this phone call saying that he has to fly out to Area 51 at like 11 p .m. So he would go to the airport fly out and his wife was like, this motherfucker's cheating on me. So she starts fucking her flight instructor. She's got some flight instructor. And so because his wife was having an affair and they knew it from the phone calls, they thought that he was going to be emotionally unstable, so they removed him from the project.

2:02:21So he gets removed from the project and he says, well, I'm telling my friends. So he goes and tells friends like this is what I was doing. I was working on these fucking UFOs They have actually UFO that's the one that thing on the desk right there That's the recreation of what he called the sport model that they worked on that has this this flying saucer That's behind the antlers. That's like the three classic Tesla three. Yeah, you know what I mean? Right if you were to the peppy little Oh, yeah, yeah. This is a sport model. So he brings people out to watch. He said on Wednesday, they have these flights and they test these things.

2:03:00I'll take you guys out to the desert. He took them out to the desert. He takes them a couple of times, then he gets arrested. So he gets arrested and he says, they're gonna fucking kill me. I have to go public. So he goes public and tells the whole story. And so he does these series of interviews with George Napp who's an investigative reporter in Las Vegas. And they become legendary. It's told the same story for now going on 40 years. And it's, and it's still alive. He's still alive. Yeah, he did my podcast. So he did the podcast and I don't know what to think. I don't know if he's telling the truth or not.

2:03:31It's hard to know, but he's told the same God damn story for all these years and he's obviously a brilliant guy. When you talk to him, he's obviously very literate in science, really understands what he's saying. And many of the things that he said from that particular interview have been corroborated by other people, including his knowledge of Los Alamos Labs. They tried to say he never worked there, but they found him on the employee roster and he knows the building. He took people into the building. He took George Napp in there. He knew the security guards, he knew where to go, showing everybody around the place, and that's our biggest podcast ever, because it's so fucking nuts.

2:04:09There's an incredible Jeremy Corbett did an incredible documentary called Bob UF, Bob Lazar, Area 51 and Flying Saucers, and it's all about his experiences there. And it's one of those things where you just, you don't know, but it's God, it's so weird. It's like if this guy's telling the same goddamn story, and then they have all these videos, of these things, that the GoFast video and the Fleeer video that the government's released, that were covered in the New York Times. And these crafts are exhibiting the same sort of behavior that he was explaining in 1989 Particularly and they they fly like this, but then when they want to go fast They rotate sideways and point whatever this gravity propulsion Whatever this thing is this generator and they shoot this way Shhh and take off and there's videos of these things doing this 40 years later Unbelievable.

2:05:06Yeah. So that's the biggest video. I got it. Yeah. So that video on YouTube got 60 million views and then on all the other platforms who knows how many and all the clips, it's probably hundreds of millions. Yeah. It was hard. But it's one of those things where you don't want to think too much about it because it might be bullshit. You know, that's how I feel about the whole U .S. But what's the, what would be his point? What's his motivation? Like it's a question. I don't see how it benefits him. Other than he's got now people calling him a wacko. Oh yeah. Which he didn't have before. So what's the good of it?

2:05:44Right. That's a good, well, you always got to look at possible motivation. Well, there's a lot of people that want to pretend to be special. And so they make up stories, so they make them special. They make up encounters, they make up, you know, abductions, I've been abducted by aliens. I was taking I'm a special person they took me aboard have a message for humanity. There's a lot of that There's a lot of delicious It's that's a different thing Right, I mean a guy like that. I don't see his you know, yeah If if that's what he actually did for a living then I don't see why Why he would do the benefits well one of the more interesting stories is this guy's this is Travis Walton This guy's a little bottle head Travis Walton was a guy I don't know if you ever saw that movie fire in the sky.

2:06:29It was based on a bunch of loggers in Arizona. And they saw this thing land. And this guy travels wall and gets out of the truck and goes to it and gets blasted by this bolt of energy. Collapses to the ground. His buddies take off. They're screaming in the car, all these loggers. Like, we got to go back and get him. We got to go back and get him. They turn around a mile later. Go back, he's gone. He's gone for five days. And then he shows up back in the town five days later with this fucking wild story of being abducted, taking aboard this craft, they healed his body, and then they communicated with him and then returned him.

2:07:04And the thing about it is, like, all these experiences, these people talk about the exact same creatures. They talk about the exact same entities, these things with big heads and large eyes and spindly bodies, and they're communicating telepathically. It's like it's universal. It's like over and over again. It's a very similar story. And the problem is if it happened to you, who the fuck is going to believe you? It's a unique experience, a completely novel experience that only you have. And then you have to go and try to make sense of it to other people that haven't experienced it. And they're going to think you're fucking crazy.

2:07:38But if you have enough of these people that say the same story over and over and over again, which is if you read John Mack, he was a psychologist from Harvard that did a lot of hypnotic regression work with people that have had alien abductions. This guy was red. I read that. It's a crazy program. I met him. I met John. Did you really? Yeah. Why didn't you meet him? I met him on the campus at Harvard. Oh, wow. You know I went to Harvard, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I had a great night and then I went back home. No. I only visited there a couple of times. Well, I know you play really good chess.

2:08:19I did play chess. Magnus Carlson told me. I had Magnus Carlson in him a couple days ago. He told me that you did one of his opening moves, that you did it for him. And he was like, what the fuck is he doing? He couldn't figure out why you did them. But he realized afterwards, like, oh, you're a really good chess player. That was actually a legitimate move. You did his opening, right? Well, yeah. I did one time. I did an opening for the other guy. What's his name? Anyway. And I'm going to do this opening and at the same time I want to tip over with my pinky tip over the king Just as a jerk, you know because you tip over the king the king's over right so I did that But then and and and and there was kind of a charcoal and everything and picked it up and then he's looking quite Concerned.

2:09:10Oh, yeah, this was it it.

2:09:16Look, you heard the lady. Yeah, I knocked it down and then I pushed it. Yeah, it slowed down. You can see it. But then I pushed the pawn, right? And then I read it because I thought he said D4, right? And then say D4. He said E4. So you know, looking at his face And he had whispered it to me into my bad ear and I'm like, well, why do you got a whisper? I'm going to make the move anyway. Well, Max said you stood around and you played a lot of people and he said you were really good. Oh, that's very nice. Coming from him. Yeah, he's the moatsoat, man. Yeah, fascinating guy. He was here a couple days ago.

2:10:00What is he? Yeah, I do admire him. He's great. And that whole thing, you know, that just happened with the jeans. Like, that was great. Did you see it? He went to one of the big, I forget which tournament it was, but anyway, came in jeans. And they're very strict, right? And so they wouldn't allow him to play. And then, so he basically was going to end up sacrificing the day because he came in jeans, right? He said, I just wasn't thinking about it, you know? Well, so then he just like you know you'll have to come back tomorrow. You're sacrificed for today He's like, you know what? I won't be back tomorrow and then boom they'd change the rules.

2:10:44Oh wow they changed it Yeah, that's a stupid rule Who gives a shit if you're wearing jeans? I know that should be a plan to be a better or worse player. Yeah stupid Everybody should be able to have to play in their underwear that way you know they don't have any devices on them You know, you're not doing it. They can't have an anthem too. They could. So maybe you gotta do a rectal probing before. This is full circle with the talking about the aliens. But you know, maybe you have to do something before. Well, we got into very specific ways that people cheat. It was pretty interesting. He was talking also about different ways that people have been busted cheating, different people signaling them in the room, moving to different parts of the room if they wanted the piece to move in a different area.

2:11:29Yeah, because he that one guy he said was cheating. He said he knew as soon as the move was made and then he walked out Yeah, it was another time. Yeah, he he just like there's no way this guy made this move no chance Well, that was what was fascinating that you could tell by the way a guy's playing that something was a mess That there was this is not inside of his capability He knew the way the guy played so well that you could tell that something was off which is so great, which is I'm not literate in chess, so I don't understand how you could do that, but I believe him, especially when you talk to him, like, he's got a thumper and a sock or something, you know, somebody's giving him a computer, and then, he thinks it's an internal, like a very small, invisible earpiece that they put in.

2:12:16Is that what he thought? Yeah, that's what he thinks. He thinks one of the possible methods, and then there was the anal beads, people were talking about anal beads. He's a guy who don't want to thump her in his sock. He just wants to get pure inside man. Yeah, I guess it would like vibrate. I guess you would do it like vibrate a certain amount of times first to indicate the letter and then a couple times to indicate the number. That's where the piece will go. A little more scold in the. Did it do it? How long have you been playing chess? I started. I mean, I started playing more probably like 10 years ago or maybe more than that.

2:12:57I started playing Willie. Oh, wow. You know, I started playing Willie all the time. But then we'd switch over back to Domino's. He crushes me in Domino's and then I was mostly winning chess and then toward the end of our battles, he started switching to just, you know, I would just stay with the Domino's. I said, you're hustler. That's a hustler. Yeah, I tried to interview him, but he scared a COVID. He's the old guy, you know. I get it. It's 92. Can't take a chance getting infected. A lot of old people, I got it. I got the fear because it's like death is close to them. It's just they're too vulnerable.

2:13:43I get it. I get why they got roped into it. Well, yeah, the fear of germs, uh, yeah, that's that was the Neil Young thing too. That's why I gave Neil young pass I was like I get you still see wearing masks all the time even in Austin. Yeah, I seem driving their fucking car still with masks on Yeah, alone in the car with the mask. Yeah, they're just sick and fuses me, but you know like I fear is a fairly relentless occupation for some, and I don't know. I studied the germ theory, you know how it came to be the backbone of Western medicine. The Rockefeller thing? Well, that came after this. But yeah, the Rockefeller pushed that whole narrative, but it was before that, in the 18, what was it?

2:14:451887 or something, in 1989, where Louis Pasteur stood before the French Academy of Science and said, I've realized the origin of all disease, and it's the germ theory, and he took credit for the germ theory, which of course had been around for centuries at that point. But there was another guy named Antoine Baix -Sham, who was actually a real genius, whereas Pastor was a charlatan and used to basically stole all these good ideas that he never had from Antoine Bayes -Shinop, including how fermentation works, how they had diseases in the grapes at the time. So how to deal with that disease and also having to do with, you know, where they make the silk like silkworms, stuff, that also was another thing that Bayes -Shamp figured out and then, you know, Pastor, who was on the same committee, ends up reading these papers and basically kind of putting his own spin on it and getting credit for, you know, the fermentation, so on the wine thing.

2:16:09You know, like each thing, he becomes more and more famous and he, until he's able to sit down in front of Napoleon in 1863, Napoleon III, he said, I will eliminate all disease. I will eradicate all human disease. He was an arrogant guy and he was a complete fraud. And that pastor believed the germ theory, obviously. That's the theory that he pushed, right? And then Baychamp believed in the terrain theory. Now that's what I believe. The terrain theory, the germ theory, obviously a pathogen, a germ, a virus, whatever, lands and your corn flakes or on your eyeball or whatever, it gets inside you.

2:16:58And then in this pristine, blank slate environment, it causes damage, maybe sickness, and eventually death. To me, it's, I don't believe this theory as much as I do the terrain theory, which is that your health is dependent upon your internal biological terrain and your internal filthiness or cleanliness. And so that's what I believe is where people's immune system gets messed up from what they're consuming. And in a nutshell, that's why I believe in Bay Shomps theory as opposed to the germ theory. And at least it's got to be both. At the very least it's got to be both. I would imagine it's both.

2:17:44I mean, we know for a fact that one of the main factors in eliminating diseases in North America was when they started having hygiene and when they started having flowing water and sewage systems and that just having cleanliness. I mean, most cities at the turn of the century were filled with filth. mean during the smallpox epidemic people lived terrible. They lived in filth when you had the various, like there's a bunch of different diseases that could be attributed to poor hygiene. Poor hygiene, no access to antibiotics, no access to any kind of medicine, and we all attributed that just to a disease broke out.

2:18:35But why a disease break out? Well, the people who are living in filth, there was no running water. They didn't have any sewage systems. They didn't have any sort of antibiotics. And including like, when people talk about the Spanish flu, like, the Spanish flu broke out today, we'd be fucked. No, we wouldn't. First of all, we have antibiotics now. Spanish flu would be killed quickly. It's the real factor was all these diseases that people were getting because of the infection that could be cured by antibiotics.

2:19:07But also a big antibiotic guy at all. No, I mean I took them I took them one time I I credit them with really haven't saved me but oh they'll save you under certain conditions right right If you're immune system shot and there's nothing else you can do to bolster your immune system in in a short amount of time, whatever is happening is happening quickly. But you're saying like ubiquitous use of antibiotics for everything? Yeah, where it just like, it's probably not exactly a pez dispenser. That, right. And it does affect your immune system adversely, especially continuous use of antibiotics. It's also why we have MRSA.

2:19:51What? MRSA. MRSA is medication -resistant staff infections. Right, right. And that's, okay. I've had a bunch of friends who get that because that's one of the side effects one of the unfortunate aspects of Jiu -Jitsu is a lot of guys get staff infections You know if you're not clean you know taking care of it getting scratched and scraped up and you're on the ground Dirty mats people come in dirty and you can get an infection. I've had staff twice you get Staff ringworm bunch different things that people normally get on the mat But there's ways to combat that in a healthy organic way and one of the best ways is the use of There's a bunch different oils Tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil a bunch of oils that don't affect your skin biome in a negative way But what they do is they protect you from bad diseases.

2:20:44There's a company called defense soap And I always recommended to I don't have any affiliation with them my friend Guy Sakko runs the company but he developed it because a bunch of wrestlers and grapplers were getting skin infections. And so he developed natural remedies that don't affect your... Because a lot of times, guys would take like antibiotic soap, and they would clean themselves with antibiotic soap. The problem with that is it kills all your healthy flora, all the skin for that's healthy. That gets torch too. It's taken a blow torch to a small patch of weed so you can just pluck out.

2:21:18And instead of doing that, he developed a soap that uses all these natural organic remedies that doesn't affect you in a negative way at all. So they only soap I use. I use that soap every day. And it keeps your skin healthy and it doesn't fuck it up. So this way is around it. The real way is to prevent it, because once you actually get staff, especially if it's aggressive, you've got to take antibiotics or you're fucked. Well, it gets systemic. Yeah, my friends wife, oh, sorry, go ahead. So my friend, his friend's wife, rather died of it. She was trying to do it organically. She was trying to like use herbal remedies and she went up dying of staff infection.

2:21:59Because it gets systemic. Yeah, it gets into your blood and goes into your whole body and then you're fucked. But you really have to get on a heavy, hardcore IV antibiotics for long stretches of time. I've had friends that have huge scars on their body because they got a massive Mercer infection in their knees and then they had to get it all opened up They have to clean it out and they have to get them on IV antibiotics. It's a fucking it's a nightmare And it's one of the main reasons why people die after surgeries It happens after surgeries where people get Mercer infections Yeah, well Super bugs healthy.

2:22:38Yes. Stay healthy Woody Yeah. Yeah. Do you eat only vegetables? Is that what you're talking about like meat? Are you a vegan? I'm a vegan. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, I mean, I really, my real belief is in raw living food because I feel like, you know, we talk a lot about you getting your protein or you getting your carbs or whatever. I think the most important component of the food are the enzymes. The enzymes being the life force of the food. And the enzymatic activities, your eyes blanking your heart beating, those are enzymatic activities. If what and for enzymes we couldn't do them. Like enzymes are highly important.

2:23:27Anything you cook over 118 degrees for a minute, you destroy the enzymes in most of the nutritional value of the food. And that's why I'm a believer in raw living food. And I just know from when I, you know, I've had lots of experiments for when I was doing it and when I was eating a lot of cooked food and you know, you can really feel the difference. It's, there's no question about it supporting the energy of the body better than anything. But meanwhile, I agree that it's very hard to avoid eating Good food because it's delicious. Yeah, but to have as much raw as possible. Mm -hmm That's my thing and I eat I you know I take I try to get a lot of sprouts and micro greens and everything and and you know I also eat you know Cooked food.

2:24:21Do you take algae or anything? We're getting B vitamins. Do you think? Yeah, I I take Right. I do take, I take Nias and I take, I should take more of a comprehensive B - vitamin probably, but I do take Raci and I take Jens King every day. Okay. So healthy mushrooms? Yeah, I believe in the healthy mushrooms. I take all that stuff too. Yeah, there's a cool, yeah. I got to get on the regular medicinal mushrooms those are crucial. Yeah and especially brain repair which is I think something I need. I think we all do. You fix those pathways that have been compromised. Do you ever fuck around with neutropics?

2:25:12Do you take any neutropics? Like what? Neutropics are essentially nutrients that contribute to cognitive function. Building blocks for human neurotransmitters, acetylcholine, Thien, Thien, things on those lines. No, I don't do that, but no. I'm open -minded. Yeah. I imagine Downey would know all about that stuff. Yeah, but he would. Yeah. Yeah. He's really, really knowledgeable about that. But you've studied this shit too, yeah. Yeah. The thing about it is like you could almost take stuff all day long, because there's so many different things that could benefit you. You would have to have a fucking stack of shit in front of you all day long, which gets tiresome.

2:25:57Yeah, I mean, I much prefer, I mean, I think the best thing for restoring health for if you're sick and you want to get better is fasting. Fasting's spent thousands of years and it just works. It does because the congestion in the body is really what disease is, it's congestion. It's inflammation. But yeah, inflammation, you could call it that too, but that congestion begins in the colon. And so you don't clean that out issues. Yeah. Do you eat organic vegetables only? Yeah. Yeah. That's huge because I mean, I think what is it like? 90 something percent of people tested have glyphosate in their system.

2:26:48I was reading some study on fucking on Girl Scout cookies like how how many like they've done the studies on Girl Scout cookies where they break and find out what's in them a Holy shit They're fucking toxic as fuck Yeah, I'll send it to Jamie's there. I said it's my wife because she's trying to avoid Girl Scout cookies Does a little hairline face? Does a little hairline face? You can imagine she's gonna give you something bad. Yeah, those little hairline face. They catch you at the grocery store. I'll find this for you, Jamie. There was this thing about, oh, here it is. Different seed oils, all the different things in them.

2:27:29This video? Yeah, it's probably one of them. What does it say here? thin mints being the worst offenders, five flavors of Girl Scout cookies contained scolars back up back up contained levels of glyphosate and heavy metals above EPA water safety limits. New investigation found a hundred percent of tested Girl Scout cookies contained glyphosate 100 percent controversial herbicide and round up 88 percent contained toxic metals like arsenic lead and mercury key finding, thin mints, had the highest glyphosate levels levels at 111 .07ppb,

2:28:08334 times what experts say is harmful. Peanut butter patties had the highest heavy metal contamination with lead reaching 42 .5pp and aluminum at 27 ,500ppppppppppppppppm, PPPPPM, 76 % of cookies tested exceeded cadmium, safety limits, and 96 contained lead. That's wild. Girl Scout, USA, which sells 200 million boxes per year, $800 million revenue, did not respond to researchers before publication. I wonder why? I wonder why. I wonder why they wouldn't chime in. They're crazy. See, there you go. So in by the way, that's that you could replicate the same thing in so much of the American diet. Well, there's Girl Scalik cookies have to say, Girl Scalik cookies are made with ingredients that adhere to food safety standards set by the FDA and other relevant authorities.

2:29:02Oh, really? Our trusted bakers remain committed to compliance with all food safety standards. Maybe we should change the fucking food safety standards just because you're complying with bullshit standards. Well, that's what I'm hoping is going to happen going forward. I'm hoping to. I think, you know, I don't know how much Bobby can affect things and what he actually can do, but I know what he's trying to do. And one of the main things he's trying to do is this whole idea of this maha movement, make America healthy again. And that's possible. This is something we could do. And it'd be so nice, too.

2:29:34And, you know, not a lot of, you know, it could be relatively simple. Yeah. Just modification. Doesn't have to be a revolution in one's diet. But like, you know, first thing I do is cut out Girl Scout Cook. That's my first. It's crazy that 100 % of them have glyphosate. Like, fucking aim now. Well, the glyphosate is just absolutely crazy. And, you know, like, it's just still, we know how toxic and terrible it is. And we're still using it constantly. And the countries aren't. in corporate, you know, or industrial farming. You know, it's just wrong. I know you're into regenerative farming. I think that's great.

2:30:17But, you know, you see over the long haul, the regenerative farmer gains. He gains financially and he gains in terms of the soil not just turning to shit. Yeah. Well, you want some shit in your store. Yeah, okay, well let's not get sidetracked. Yeah. But yeah, like, you know, it's a net gain in the end, so hopefully... It's carbon neutral. Everyone's trying to reduce carbon. Organic farms are carbon neutral because that's how nature intended animals to live. That's how nature intended us to grow crops. It's also supposed to be animals, grays, manure, all this different stuff. It helps. You got to think of the soil biome just as much as you have to think of your own biome.

2:31:03Yeah, and it all works together. And thank God there's people out there like Joel Salatin who runs polyface farms and Will Harris who runs White Oak Pastures who've educated these people and gone on written books and gone on these tours and explained to be like Will Harris who's been on the podcast a couple of times, like he spent 20 years changing his family farm which was an industrial farm into regenerative agriculture. And you can see the difference in the soil. We have two bottles of glass bottles of soil out there, one from an industrial farm and one from his farm. And his farm is dark and rich and filled with nutrients.

2:31:43And the other one is just pale and dead and just covered in bullshit fucking chemicals. And meanwhile, that's the stuff that gets highly subsidized. Yes. So yeah, it's a catch 22. If the real value, if the real expense of what happens to that soil were experienced by the American taxpayer, I think that'd be a revolt. Well, you know, we're lazy people. I'm a lazy bad guy. Well, the real problem is we have so many people that need food and that we're reliant upon factory farming right now to a large extent because there's enormous populations of people that grow in a place where they grow nothing, whether it's New York City or it's Los Angeles, it's urban environments, they need food constantly shipped into them and no one's growing anything and the population keeps booming and it's like you gotta get these people food and we right now are dependent upon factory farming for a lot of that food.

2:32:47Well I wonder if you could, through regenerative farming, cover it. I wonder could that ultimately be? Yeah, I wonder. I think people are definitely going to have to change the way that it has to change. Well, we at least have to change the way we farm because otherwise we're going to have a, you know, just more desertification. But at least people are aware of it now. At least there's more information and more education about that today than has ever been before. I mean, there's this never discussion when I was a kid. I never heard anything about that. It was just being done and this just you got food and you didn't think about where it came from.

2:33:24and then the term organic came around like what's that? Like it's no pesticides, like what's the pesticide? What's on the food? You know like we didn't know and if back then there was no access to any information other than mainstream media. So it was pretty easy for them to keep going on with these practices without unless you went out and sought it out and went and found books or someone told you about a book, you didn't know. You didn't get that information. I think more people have that information now than ever before. So that's one of the reasons why I'm hopeful and I'm real and I think Bobby really does have an idea of how to do this And I hope you successful.

2:34:02Yeah, me too. Yeah me too Well, listen brother. It's been great talking to you. I really appreciate it. I'm very happy to meet you I've enjoyed your work for so many years. So it's pleasure to do this and pleasure is all minded Dude, I really am. It's a privilege to be here with you. Thank you for having me. My pleasure. Let's break bread someday. Have a good time. Hang out. Okay. I'll get your info and I'll give you my email. All right. Sounds good brother. All right. Thank you very much. Thanks for being here. Thank you. All right. Bye, buddy.