#2278 - Chase Hughes

35:36So let's say You and I are living 10 ,000 years ago 15 ,000 years ago the average tribe of people is like 150 120 and Let's say your job in my job was to go and collect fish in a bag and fish and then kind of bring it back to the tribe at the end of the day And every day we went to the same spot. It was a great spot We walked by this bush this big -ass bush and one day we're going back and talking about the fish And you hear a stick snap behind that bush That we haven't heard before so it's an unexpected deviation from your mental script of what's going to happen This makes sense okay So we're walking by the bush the stick snaps now what's generated in that moment is a tremendous amount of focus Like there could be a threat.

36:22It could be a rabbit that we can eat right? So a threat or a value is what our our brain responds to something new and something unexpected is it a threat? Is it valuable socially or other bites valuable? So the stick breaks we're not thinking about our kids We're not thinking about how many fish are in the bag. We're only thinking about this novel new thing that interrupted my brains Script of what I thought was going to happen. Okay, you with me so far. Yeah, so In our life when we see something that's unexpected something that we I guess we're not expecting so we're driving a car blue lights in your River mirror is tremendous amount of novelty threat value right So our brain says this is how I tie my shoes.

37:07This is how I go to work This is how I run the cash register at Starbucks whatever it is we develop these apps in our head and when something Interrupts one of those programs our brain automatically says this is different. This is not expected I need all of my focus down on this one thing okay, and that's how novelty starts to trigger our brain Makes sense of us. Yes, and authority is the second piece So we'll be an example that someone would use as like novelty to get like a novelty in authority If you want to get someone to follow you like what would be novelty that we would apply? Sure, it can be any any scenario and I'll tell you okay You're trying to get someone to join a call.

37:45Yeah, so the novelty right away is I'm gonna approach you and say something or ask you a question That you've never been asked before and that there's no possible way that your brain could have gotten ready for that scenario And it could be something Ridiculously stupid It'd be like hey, did you see these guys fighting outside here last week where you're walking up and you say Hey, I'm gonna ask you three questions, but you only have 12 seconds to answer no one's ever said something like that Okay, so you're just getting them out of their comfort zone getting them and like whoa what's going on?

38:12Yeah, we're breaking a pattern. Okay, so we're we're all running on patterns all the time The moment a pattern is broken we have tremendous focus so focus is the first step to hacking them a maleian brain Authority is next and authority Is like if you look at the milgram experiment have you heard of this? Oh my god. Have you have you have you gone deep on it? Not really, I mean but explain it to people so they know what you're talking about Jamie, can we bring up a picture of the box the shocking box from this experiment? It's just essentially they Told people that they had to keep shocking people even and then they did it to the point where they thought the other person the other was actually dead and the kept shocking yeah and so here was this 62 1962 at Yale University This is a variation of the experiment, but just go to the one the third one Right there so that's a Stanley Milgram standing over that machine right there So you'll notice on the bottom right it says danger severe shock right there.

39:13Yeah, so you're essentially told you're gonna The guys on the other side of a drywall wall He's in another room, but you can hear him yelling every time you shock and every time You're asking him these questions and he gets the answer wrong. He's like a he's acting like a dumbass He's obviously in on the experiment, right, but these people think they're shocking this guy and in real life Man, I had that airplane mode so In in real life this guy is just he's running a script. He's a participant in the experiment. He's in on it But as the person is getting shocked you hear him scream you hear him sound want to get out of here I don't want to do this anymore.

39:50I have a heart condition He's banging around and then at around 300 volts and it goes up to 450 on this machine 300 volts No more sound. He stops answering questions and these people sitting there at the machine kind of turning around this guy in the lab Coats running them running this experiment and the guy in the lab coach saying well, it's important that you continue the experiment requires that you continue And they keep going They keep delivering electric shocks to this guy that was screaming before and is now silent There's not even answering these questions on the test anymore Did everybody do it?

40:25So before the experiment started these bunch of psychologists got together and they said like all right Who's going to go all the way through who's going to do everything? And they thought 0 .4 % something like that It would have to be a psychopath It would have to be somebody that was malicious or wanted to hurt people and After the experiment was conducted 67 % of people went all the way And this is So what we're really dealing with here is not an experiment. It's a A person being talked into murder And less than an hour a regular normal human being talked into murder 67 % of them 67 % and 250 Voltz is enough to kill you would you agree if you have the right amps?

41:12I don't know but I believe you yeah 100 % went to 250 Jesus 100 % So Yeah, so that could kill you 100 % at least attempted murder. Yeah, and I train sales teams all the time like oh We have you know, it's hard to sell this product or this thing and I'm like I show them this thing and like where's the sales script these guys use at Yale University There wasn't a script That's not like oh, let me get the perfect words on the phone for this telemarketing company. Right There's no script. There's no hypnosis. There's no like NLP stuff going on where I have to say these little magic words And I kind of view that aspect of persuasion like the guys that are obsessed with sales scripts It's like Harry Potter like there's no magic words that are going to make someone take action We take action based on a mammalian brain And what was present there at Yale University if you're the volunteer there You respond to an ad in the paper you've never responded to before novelty Out of university you've never been to and in building you've never been in with two people You've never met in a room you've never been in setting in front of a machine that's absolutely foreign to you It's alien Every single step of the way was novelty And then the guy in the lab coat they made him like I think he was six foot seven He's running the experiment and we have this stuff called white coat syndrome where we respond to doctors And there's even Research where people were given diagnoses and that they for things they didn't have and they developed the symptoms because doctor has told them this And that's how powerful novelty plus authority is Is you there people talked into murder in under an hour And there's no magic recipe to do it.

42:59It's authority and novelty and authority has five components If you want to try just go into them. So that's confidence Obviously somebody's going to be really confident to be an authority figure And this is just a conviction in my belief and a generalized belief in my head that everything's going to be fine Everything's going to be okay discipline is number two and Discipline I don't say discipline is part of authority because like if Everybody like when you were younger you ever like go to a party and like put a really nice suit on and all that stuff and like you're You have a seven foot pile of laundry back at home like shit all over your bathroom counter like you were not put together I was there But like there's a part of our brain that reminds us that we don't have everything together So when we go out we're not other people aren't saying oh this guy's not disciplined no one's saying that But they are getting a gut feeling that something's off Because there's something disharmonic there's something incongruent about our behavior because we know there's a part of our brains You know, I'm faking this right now.

43:58I'm not this put together So having discipline off camera when nobody's looking Makes gut feelings in people is was one of those things where we have this ancient brain that's judging whether or not everything's congruent So confidence discipline leadership and leadership just means If I brought you back a thousand years Could you still would people still follow you like your behavior is confident and certain enough and all of that That people would follow you not language and all that do you say the right things and do you give people compliments? That's not what I mean is tribal leadership from the mammalian perspective not human so Confidence discipline leadership gratitude and enjoyment or the final two gratitude just not saying like I'm keeping this gratitude journal every day or anything like that Just I'm a grateful person and I've perspective and gratitude so I'm I'm able to zoom out and think of like the larger picture when I'm thinking of gratitude Not just like oh think I'm thankful for my health today, but I'm thankful like we didn't have a nuclear war yesterday We didn't have all this stuff happen and What the reason these things are effective is because they produce having them when nobody's looking produces the precise gut feelings in another person that make them say that's an authority figure So when you have authority you can get away with anything you want and I go to these companies I train companies and people all over and how to increase sales and all that and they're all like well We have a good script.

45:29We've got this piece of paper right here. That's that's really great We spent ten million dollars developing the sales script I'm like give the script to somebody out here with social anxiety and have them get on the phone They're gonna they're gonna bomb There'd be the worst freaking salesman out there Because they they the script is meaningless But everybody puts so much value in these words. It's who you are first then what you say And and people just ignore the first part. I mean if you think of If I go off on a small rant here, I can I can tell you something a question bubble on okay uh There's too many times people obsess over symptoms instead of causes So you go on LinkedIn or whatever it says how to be confident Who are the 15 ways to be confident?

46:18Here's the 12 things that confident people do they have great posture. They make good eye contact It's a firm handshake. They use your name it patch on the shoulder all this kind of shit Those are symptoms of being confident. It's not confidence So our culture today is obsessed with symptoms of things. Let me get symptoms of wealth I'm gonna get this portion to get this yacht and get this plane posted all over Instagram and show people that I have these symptoms So What we're really looking at is like when I'm trying to somebody's trying to learn sales Let me teach you the symptoms of what a good salesperson has instead of the cause of what makes them a good salesperson Mmm, that makes sense So in order for someone to truly be confident they have to take all those steps to make you want some coffee?

47:05No actually yeah You want it in the crazy cup or regular one? Crazy cups a little harder drink out of here. Is it yeah, I'll switch. I don't want to dirty that one up. No don't worry about it Um, so they they they have to have All those ducks in a row if they don't People are going to sense it. They're going to know even if they exhibit all the behavior characteristics of someone who's confident Is going to be something off because we have some Way some ancient way of un of detecting bullshit In ourselves. Yeah, we get those gut feeling. Yeah. We know when something's off Someone's a little full of it.

47:42Some of them still faking it. Yeah, and now me we've all had that experience like Everything looked right on the surface Anybody who's watching it from a distance. I'm gonna say wow that guy's really confident, but in your gut. You're like Something's off. Well particularly if you have all those bases covered If you have all those bases covered, I think it makes it far easier to see in other people when they don't Yeah, because I mean if you have confidence that means I'm living in front of my eyes, right? I'm not just stuck back here the whole time So if you're gonna teach people How to be confident essentially you have to teach them how to get their shit together.

48:18Yeah, unequivocably like undoubtedly You know, undabatable like you have to you have to have your shit together clearly Absolutely, otherwise you're not gonna really be confident. You're always it's always the back your head It's always gonna be fucking with you. Yeah, and there's five areas of your life that I've identified these are not this is not some self -help program or anything but There's five areas of your life that create gut feelings in other people and that's your environment How you handle all these things your environment your time your appearance your social skills and your financial life It's like if I've got unpaid bills I've got creditors knocking on my door all the time and then I go out and try to look like I've got my shit together I'm gonna send those signals that something's not right To people that are aware not to people that are willing to join cults right Correct That's the problem is that there's not really an operating manual for life or for the human mind And we're dealing with these very complicated systems complicated systems of work and social life and and hobbies and all the different things that people do It's very very complicated And a lot of people are just kind of like stumbling through it learning along the way Hopefully every time they fuck up.

49:34Yeah. Yeah, so and a lot of that is the even with these cult recruiters These people have an unconscious knack to spot suggestible people So your level of suggestibility is how much will you think a person's an authority figure even if they're faking confidence That's basically what that is. Well, you accept a suggestion and act on it and We've got guys like see your hands. See your hand Who killed RFK In San Francisco this is 60s. I think it's Los Angeles I think it was San Francisco. I think it's Los Angeles because I was at the actual hotel where they did it Okay, film fear factor there. Okay, see that's true.

50:15I don't doubt you at all. I'm pretty sure Pre -sure is Los Angeles and there's also some debate as to whether or not he did it No, I did a whole video on this on my channel. Yeah, but what did it? I don't know enough about it But I know that there's some people that you know, obviously there's some people that think that like JFK's driver shot him There's some like kooky cookies conspiracies Yeah, Ambassador hotel in Los Angeles shortly after he had finished. Yeah So that hotel we filmed fear factor there once that's the only reason why I know and we were in the kitchen where like It happened in the kitchen.

50:47Yeah, we were in the spot Oh, this is crazy that we can film this stupid fucking show in a place where a presidential candidate got murdered Yeah, was it was at the reason they filmed there? um I think a lot of stuff filmed in that hotel. I think the hotel had been defunct and a lot of The there's like abandoned buildings and things in Los Angeles that they use for filming stuff Okay, because it's a big filming industry like they're film films and TV shows and stuff there If it's like a cool environment and it was like spooky run down old hotel I don't even remember the show the episode But I just remember us being in that That room going rural Weird feeling.

51:27Yeah, so the sir Hans or Han thing is like that people believe that's part of MK ultra That he was some sort of mind controlled person. I do yeah, I mean I'm maybe the number one guy in the country on the mind control stuff I think I probably am and I definitely believe that was influenced by a guy named dr. Joylen West Which all you west. Yeah, yeah um So and it's not about skill at that at something like if you're doing something like this It's not much about skill level. It's can you find a good target? That's highly suggestible and it almost You have some basic skills in this. I give you like three or four days worth of training and how to do covert hypnosis and all of this other stuff and how to create amnesia in a person so where you can just uh Tell them to forget something and they'll and they'll willingly forget it It's I could train you in three days how to do something like that It's terrifying how our brains do not have a firewall and the moment that are conscious Filter that filters like is this information good for me should I accept this information if if I can bypass that filter Which is very easy to do you can kind of just jam in whatever you want into somebody's head and This episode is brought to you by focus features new film last breath make every breath count based on the extraordinary true story Last breath takes you hundreds of feet below the ocean surface for the deadliest job on earth When a deep sea diver becomes trapped at the bottom of the ocean his teammates must devise a daring plan to save him before his oxygen runs out starring witty harrelson simulieu and fin coal this pulse pounding thriller is the ultimate tale of endurance bravery and survival Hold your breath and experience the most thrilling movie of the year on the big screen last breath rated pg 13 maybe inappropriate for children under 13 only in theaters February 28 So what evidence do we have that sir Han sir Han was working with july west There's not a lot.

53:37It's a lot of anecdotal stuff But he met with this guy regularly and I'm not an expert on the case. I wouldn't I wouldn't consider myself an expert But he met with this guy at the shooting range on a regular basis and This guy would talk to him privately whisper in his ear in the shooting range We all know this is this is from testimony and later When he was arrested after the shooting happened he said I thought I was at the shooting range I thought I was shooting at a target at a paper target And he's on record saying this and he has no memory of that actual event happening to this day He went up for parole.

54:14I think a year or two ago And man all they did was ask him to kind of admit what you did and just say what you did And he said I still have no memory of this event and he had to stay in prison And RFK believes it too Wow And you've had RFK on it. Uh -huh Um, so Sir Hanserhorn is meeting with this guy. Who is this guy? Nobody really knows Nobody fully knows but the guy was Involved and connected to joylon and they called him radio man That's the only name that that people have used to identify this guy And he met sirhorn at a range and expressed like we're both interested in shortwave radio stuff and all that kind of ham radio And they connected over that initially and then this guy somehow looped him into the situation he was in So the MK Ultra stuff Um, a lot of it was experimental right they didn't necessarily have Proof that a lot of what they were trying to do was effective They knew that they could experiment with LSD on people that was Operation midnight climax Oh, they took over the brothels which is so wild for people that don't know what this is they took over brothels And they essentially had the prostitutes Serve these johns LSD without their knowledge and then they observed them through two -way mirrors And filmed them yeah And filmed how they would act yeah, so the CIA was running horror houses I don't even know if they get that sex because they probably dose these guys up with so much acid They probably didn't want to but they Observe them and they did it for years they also ran the Haydashbury free clinic Which is wild and um until Like I think fairly recently and there was a lot of hubbub about it after tomo niels book chaos came out And I think it's right after that they closed the haydashbury free clinic.

56:12Yeah, but The CIA was essentially a part of the haydashbury free clinic in the 1960s And that's where the Manson family came out of yeah, and I'm there's a lot of people I don't I'm not a researcher on this topic. I'm a researcher on the techniques. Yeah But there's guys like Sydney got leap was Crazy he was in he was running the CIA. He was called OSS back then or office of special services and It was crazy. They call him a cowboy, but they brought in all this LSD. There's a in Canada They were running. I think this was Man, I think it was in Montreal. I'm not no it was in Toronto Montauk institute is that right?

56:58Yeah, they were doing things called psychic driving They would keep people awake and it was like Clockwork orange and they were they would hold their eyes open and just play these videos to kind of like Entrain them and and really just drive their brains And these were people that checked into the hospital with like postpartum depression And they started doing this shit on them. They just started experimenting on yeah And it I mean the Canadian government admitted it so much that they paid these people for damages So just one woman's case that I can remember I don't remember her name But she went in for postpartum, I think and she she did the psychic driving when she came out She had no real memories anymore.

57:39She wet herself. She had to Re -learn how to walk and communicate socially She had to relearn how to hold her pee in how long was she there for I think it was like a month and a half Unbelievable But I think back then they were trying to find a bunch of different methods of mind control, right? Like there's a very famous video from the 1950s of Soldiers in the UK where they dosed them up with acid and you see them wandering around the woods laughing and giggling Falling down and we had just got those the videos from the the Korean War where the the Korean prisoners We're making these videos like I realized now that America's a horrible country.

58:21I renounce everything I hate America. These are all the bad things they've done and the guys in the United States are watching the shit going Holy shit They've got some secret technology and we're behind so it's like a psychological arms race They just went Berserk on this stuff So they figured out or they figured that there's some kind of secret chemical or secret technique or recipe that these people are using that we haven't figured out yet and it was it was a Madhouse race to figure out what was going on with these prisoners in North Korea What was going on? What were they doing at the prisoners?

58:57It depriving them of sleep. It was super basic stuff They were depriving them of sleep treating them really well This this they're using these interrogation techniques that were developed by this German guy named Hans Scharf and every interrogation system nowadays that's taught is a is a derivative of Hans Scharf's work And funny enough he's the most famous interrogator in history and he was like the first guy that said hey, what if we're not assholes What if we're not just total assholes these people and take them out on walks maybe give them a sandwich every once in a while And the whole time pretend like we every piece of intelligence they give us we pretend like we already knew it And that was kind of his his premise like let's not be a dick And he got famous for that so everything is based on his work now and funny enough You've been a dizzy land sure you know the huge mosaic that you walk through it's a huge like tile mosaic thing at the very entrance of of dizzy land I don't recall it probably was a paying attention Hans Scharf made that oh really by hand Yeah, whoa Weird how much time does that take I don't know how big is this thing.

1:00:02It's huge see if you can find it Jamie How big is it he made it by hand? Yeah, it's an acid Had to be that thing wow I left a permanent mark on Disney a former Nazi interrogate Fuck like as if Disney doesn't have enough problems with Walt Disney being linked to anti -Semitism the fact that they actually have A Nazi artist if there was a competition written I said Joe look at me of million dollars if you can figure out what this Nazi interrogate did on the side Not just a couple of that that's crazy and it's almost are but yeah, it's like a DMT Kind of visual going on well That's just weird in and of itself that he was working with these people like how was Walt Disney connected to that guy no idea I'm no clue That's not good.

1:00:57That doesn't do a lot to quell the rumors. I know yeah, so I think it was paperclip so these so oh operation paperclip. Yeah, so these people that are Attempt is it is there documentation that shows the effectiveness of certain techniques like Do we have any of their work like the jolay west does did he publish anything's or did he make River like leave behind documents explaining what worked and what didn't work. Yeah, some But you know at this guy name I don't know his first name church got really pissed off about all the CIA stuff and Is it a church committee church committee? Yeah, he says we're gonna get it all and then the CIA launched a destruction order And said we need to destroy it was like in Ron at the CIA then the papers getting shredded and all the stuff And some of the documents survived the destruction order Because they're in a dude's attic Yeah, it disguised me.

1:01:57He was a professor in New York at Colgate University And his name was Dr. George Esther Brooks and not many people talk about him He was big into it him and Edgar Hoover had a plan to hypnotize a German submarine captain Split his personality, which is not hard to do um and send him back home and have him torpedo his entire fleet inside of his own harbor um And I have all of those documents So these professors and these scientists were working with the CIA while they were developing MK ultra So they probably thought they were doing it for national security purposes Yeah, and so they were probably saying look North Korea is doing this Germany's doing all these countries are doing this we need to do this as well.

1:02:47Yeah Do I mean they were with the bottom of a maslow's pyramid you'll do anything like our country's gonna go down Did you read chaos the Tom O 'Neal book? No, it's about the Manson family how they did it with the Manson family It's essentially I mean he lays out a very compelling case for the CIA not only training Manson but supplying him with LSD and then getting him out of jail every time he got caught And that it was done to change the perception of the anti -war movement Like the hippies were peace love and psychedelic music and you know people were dropping out of society And instead the narrative now became no they are murderers and psychopaths and they're gonna kill beautiful actresses and people in Hollywood So they thought he would be like the vaccine for Timothy Larry and all the people Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a good way to put it Yeah, that um they took this guy who was a con man and had sort of a perclivity Towards you know influencing people and being charismatic and you ever heard his music?

1:03:53No, I didn't know he did music Yeah, I mean he's he actually recorded with Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys and I think Brian Wilson in him there was like a real problem because his career didn't take off and like he Threatened him. He can't became very like Very problematic his relationship with Brian Wilson, but you get there's a song so you can find the song You listen to a little bit the man said can we play this is someone own this how's that work? Something I've had and we hadn't talked guns and roses covered one of his songs. You know that? Oh, yeah, yeah, we talked about that. I think we did yeah Yeah, um, but he recorded some songs and you know The not that bad Is that him singing yeah It's not bad.

1:04:52It's not bad. Yeah, it's decent is not bad. It's like it's an okay shitty song from the 60s Yeah, you know, it's not something you want to put on your Spotify playlist, but it's not it's not bad It's better than a third of guys that play at the bar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's better than a third of the guys on six street in Austin, Texas It's not bad. I mean, he was a charismatic person, right? And that's what you need to run a cult and that's what you need to be a good rock star And a lot of psychedelics. Yeah, and he apparently wouldn't take them He would give them to people and pretend to take them and then he would use these methods to manipulate them while they're under So like he's sober and he's going through this CIA textbook of how to manipulate and control these people and then he gets these people like text Watson and you know Squeaky from and all these fucking psychopaths and he through This sort of indoctrination and bringing them into the family and you know Staying with them for some and then he's committing murders and crimes and he keeps getting out He gets arrested and they let him out and the sheriffs that let him out they all have the same explanation I was told it's above my pay grade and they just let him out so the guy's violating parole and he's getting out like multiple times I can't it's very good.

1:06:11Yeah, and there's a real compelling Case for Jolly West first of all there's anecdotal of it Jolly West visited him in jail Um, and they think that that's when it all started Wow, yeah, I don't know any of that makes sense because like that's a really successful cult like and as far as like The historical footprint, you know like everybody knows about the Manson family. I mean like would that work That scared the shit out of everybody it was weird like oh my god What if your children joined the Manson family? Oh my god my kids are vulnerable What if they want to be peace -loving flower children?

1:06:46They get wrapped up in the family and that's It just sort of changed the tone in society With people and it was also at the same time when they passed that sweeping schedule one psychedelic They made everything illegal. It's all around the same time and art goes to zero. Yeah, art goes art into the toilet disappearing Architecture It's a lot of things went south. Yeah, card design, but the The fact that there's real compelling evidence that this was the government and that this is the governments response to this immense cultural change It took place between 1950 and 1960 and it's not like just guessing It's like there's real programs that they were Involved in that were absolutely doing that kind of work 100 % yeah, and that's really crazy to think of and I And it gets deeper like there there are step -by -step programs they have for creating a mentoring candidate Okay, look what step one how do you know when you can get a guy to be a mentoring candidate?

1:07:47Can you do anybody or do you have to get a vulnerable guy? I don't want to say everything family I think some of this could be misused, but let me well. I don't know if you know about GROC But GROC's out there misusing information. So all right. Yeah, let's put it up He can get anything from that So like you're a very social guy okay, and you've got lines in your forehead here from Raising your eyebrows a lot. There's people that are your age that are not very socially connected to people that have the smooth forehead If you're smiling a lot your whole life you're gonna develop these little crow's feet and you'll do it by the age of 19 If you're a social happy person you'll see the crow's feet your angry all the time you're gonna see this little muscle right here the glabella Start to yeah, but yours.

1:08:29Yeah, yours is not that pronounced But whatever emotion we experience on a very very regular basis etches itself onto the face as a rule of thumb Saying that this is science is it's not this is my observation. There's no study that I can got send you But we can see that I mean you could see somebody who's lived a super happy life you there They have these little smile lines around their eyes somebody who's raised their eyebrows a lot This is our social our forehead is a social billboard, right? So you're gonna see those lines start coming on the face But what if I told you make a skeptical facial expression Hmm What would you do if you asked me to be skeptical?

1:09:08Yeah, this is my skeptical face Okay, so like somebody's trying to feed you something most people will kind of these lower eyelids are gonna tighten up There's a I might do that too. Yeah, I might do that So you're like most of the time down like what yeah, it's my what bitch face what bitch. Yeah, what If I have somebody who's been who is not skeptical ever in their life They have the smoothest lower eyelids in the world Huh, so to test this out and this is not this is anecdotal Okay, but I gave it to five guys who are stage -hitinotists They're out of these comedy clubs Every night knocking people out and all that stuff and I told them test this theory over the course of five years They all said it's a hundred percent accurate Because you know like bring they bring people up and some guy doesn't go all the way in his hands Right right right is like all right, so thanks.

1:09:59Thanks for coming. Go back to your seat We should explain what we're talking about. There's um comedy hip -to -tiss And if you don't know and if you haven't seen it you would think it's bullshit But I was very fortunate when I was 21 when I worked in Boston. There was a guy who's really good at it He was an actual hip -to -tiss named as Frank Santos and he did this show this comedy hip -to -tissum show I think it was every Monday night at Stitches comedy club and it was insane He would have people go on stage. They thought they were having sex with Madonna They thought they were in a robot like and the robot was gonna tip over It was then they had a dance, you know They're that a dance and if they they dance the best they thought they're gonna win a million dollars and it was weird It was weird to watch because and he could tell when someone was under and someone wasn't under and It was weird.

1:10:45It was weird to watch because he it was I Never believed in that. I was like well. Yeah. I guess you have to be a dope Like maybe you just have to be a dope and that's the kind of people that he picks He just finds that dumb people but a lot of the people I talked to out to where it's also like what happened And they're like I don't know It's just like he's snapping his fingers and next he know I'm fucking dancing It was the weird thing. Yeah, we're just thing I've ever experienced in my life. So I'm a hypnotist certified hypnotist and I've learned it just because of my brain obsession and I didn't believe in it either I had I had zero belief that it was real and I went to my first comedy hypnosis show like five years ago his name is rich guzzly and It's it's real like I saw this.

1:11:27I'm like, oh my god. These people aren't just like definitely real and so if Damn, what are we talking about? Hypnosis. Yeah, um, we were talking about so the suggestible. Yeah, suggestible people Like how do you pick someone to be a Manchurian candidate? Can you pick anybody? Yeah, or does it have to be a person that has Like something off about them They would I don't think they have to have something that's off you can pick a totally healthy person that's very highly Suggestible So I have a TV show coming out that's fiction fiction and The bad guy in the book gets access to some of these techniques and he doesn't know how to Like they're not working.

1:12:10So he goes to these comedy hypnosis shows and he just picks people that were called up on stage And he wrecks it a lot. He's select wrecks. Yeah, so he gets someone else to figure out who's that's smart So and those people are highly suggestible and they're always more open to fun. They're always better You know, they're living in front of their eyes a lot more and so suggestibility doesn't mean stupid It means that you're just more open to the things that are around you right and typically happier people More suggestible people are typically happier people. That's interesting Because they're just blissfully unaware Yeah, I mean it depends on if they're Suggestible and addicted to like Instagram Horrifying stuff on Instagram and they're watching that all the time.

1:12:55Oh, so they can get programmed easily for all these things So this guy George Esther Brooks makes this formula to split the personality of an army officer and they called him Smith and You're gonna split this guy Give his alter ego a bunch of secrets to take across enemy lines and then deliver these secrets That are in his head to this person that's on the other side of this thing and in this paper. It's a hypothetical It's written as a hypothetical So they they're we're gonna split this guy With the goal being he gets captured somebody tortures him and put a drill in his knee or something This other personality won't come out because there's just there's a secret word And an anchor like those squeezes arm and say moon light or something like that and it'll turn this other guy on Is that really possible to have like a partition in your brain where you keep other memories?

1:13:49Absolutely. We're really yeah It's not a partition. I mean, there's no physical Of course, of course it's happening, but I mean like a partition like there's something there's another you in there Yeah, and I'll tell you something scary when it comes to multiple personality stuff if uh a Suggest a slightly suggestive not even high slightly suggestible person goes to a psychiatrist and Let's say I want to display somebody. I couldn't make up a piece of paper that's got 10 questions on it So do you ever feel like you're at that war with yourself like one person wants to eat cake and what the other one wants to eat broccoli That's a hundred percent that's everybody right and then the next one is do you ever feel like you're arguing with yourself about whether or not You should relax or worry about something that's everybody But it has a lot of these questions that talked about you having different parts And then the psychiatrist takes this exam and he says you know what I'm looking looking at all these numbers and you scored in the 99th percentile from multiple personality disorder Have you ever felt like you're at war with a part of yourself?

1:14:53That's everybody But now he says like well, what what does that part want if I could just talk to that part directly So now we start having a conversation with this part and now then he says Well, it's not really nice for us to do that. Why don't we make a name for this part They're almost done. That's almost the full creation So if that's called that they've researched this in the 70s called Iatrogenic Creation of dissociative identities So if they wanted to do this and create a mentoring and candidate There there has to be like some proof that this is effective, right? So how would they how would they before they send someone out to do some Assassination or something?

1:15:34How would they know that they got this guy on the program? Well, they tested it with hundreds of people first and they they would all use colors So like Mrs. White was a subject or Mrs. Red or whatever and they would hypnotize a woman While she's and then you know split all this personality stuff and Developed that partition and then with her eyes open in one personality she witnesses a What she thinks is a real bomb getting put into a briefcase There's a little timer thing on it like an old movie dynamite thing You'd see in a cartoon or something like okay put into a briefcase Zip that thing up and she's holding it and they're telling her it's gonna explode And then they change her personality the other one and she's on heart rate monitors and all this other stuff And they and this is a CIA document they released and she's called Mrs.

1:16:23White in this document Many many more But the other personalities job is to not look in the briefcase because that personality doesn't know what's in it and sit in this waiting room with this briefcase beside you Heart rate doesn't go up And then another time they give somebody what they watch a gun being loaded They split the personality and like do some kind of sleight of hand to unload the firearm And then they're told to like pull this firearm out and go shoot this person in the face and what when the Trigger is given to you like a guy tapping his pencil or something and they do it And this is just hypnosis that caused them they're not using any psychedelic drugs or psychotropic medicine or you don't need it nothing.

1:17:06Yeah Wow, it's so it's it's easier than you think For some people right high authority on one end of the person doing the program and high Suggestibility on the other then your skills don't need to be that good You don't need to manufacture a suggestibility if you if they say here's this guy I need to split this guy and he's not very Suggestible then your skills have to be high But if I have high suggestibility in the target high authority in the person doing the programming I have ultimate results and it's not just this if I'm if I'm a psychiatrist and I have high authority And I have a highly suggestible client.

1:17:42I can I can change their life for the better with the exact same things And it's not just Mentionian stuff. It's it's anybody trying to change another person Need that level of authority and I need to my goal as a doctor psychiatrist coach whatever is to raise that person's Suggestibility so that my suggestions can change the life Will you then let them be aware of what you did and how you did it and what the pathway is? If it's if I'm helping someone yeah, absolutely. Yeah That's gonna be a mind -fuck for them. You know Roy Jones Jr. The boxer of course. Yeah, he's a friend of mine. Oh, I love that dude.

1:18:20Yeah, me too And man, he's been through a rough year. I don't know if you've heard or anything. No, he's been through a lot this year What what happened he lost his son. Oh, I didn't know that. I think he was 21 Um, it's terrible But Roy called me one day I went down there to train Roy at Roy's house And he called me one day and he's like hey, man. Can you do this split person anything on a fighter? And I said oh, yeah And as I'm telling me I was like I've never done this. I didn't know if I could but I was like yeah I'll get it done He's like I've got this guy going into a fight in two days. It's in Vegas.

1:18:55Can you fly out and and Do you do your work on this guy? So I essentially give him an alter ego But it's not like created through massive trauma or anything like that It's kind of a fabricated. We use a little bit of like a A little bit of simulated trauma to make this thing happen the dissociation part to where I've kind of separate from myself and this guy Had like the best fight of his life and this alter alter ego you can ask Roy I told him not to get gassed out where you're not gonna get gassed out or run out of Air like you're gonna always feel like you're satiated even if you're not you're gonna stay up and keep going And the second is you're not gonna feel any pain and you're gonna be pure aggression and strategy and all this Royal gave me this list of stuff So this guy this a young fighter.

1:19:43He's like 28 I programmed him it took me 48 hours total Not with him, but like two days over the course of two days. I program And then he goes up. What's the thing where that they take a picture looking at each other whatever that's called? Yeah, so they go they go to do that and his wife is Off camera and somehow this being near the opponent turned on this thing and He just looks over at his wife like just like a glance at his wife And she picked their kid up like there was a A murderer in their house and they moved to another hotel temporarily because she's like that's not my husband But we we fix it to where we can turn it on and off anytime But it scared her because it's like that little altar part of that guy came on and looked at his wife and she did not recognize you know Roy Jones Jr.

1:20:38had an altar you go Really, yeah, he didn't tell me about call self RJ. He had Roy Jones. Oh, yeah, and then RJ RJ Is when there's real problems when when when RJ's out you got real problems. Yeah, and when he fought Montel Griffin You know, he had his first fight with Montel Griffin and Montel won by disqualification. Do you know that fight? No, so I'm something happened. I think it was a late punch or something happened He might have been swinging when he went down and he hit him while he's going down or while he was down already I don't remember exactly what happened But I remember it was a disqualification and then Roy Jones is like RJ's coming out Wow, and then in the second fight it was just an obliteration.

1:21:25He just destroyed them quickly Yeah, and when you would see Roy Jones, you know like in his very best He was like first of all he's probably the fastest Super middleweight in the history of sport and even light heavyweight He was so fast it didn't even make sense He there's some one twos that he threw that you watch to this day and you swear their sped up Yeah, like no one moves that fast. He didn't even have a jab He would throw a left hook off the lead hand He did everything different He fucked everybody up because you didn't know what to do with it. Yeah, everything was off It was just different and he can move faster than everybody.

1:22:07Yeah But I remember him showing me because I'm ignorant about the the fighting world and all that But he showed me how those punches look from a receiving end Those like that one two and then a couple more after that it was terrifying. Oh, yeah, they're horrifying You can't move quick enough. You know like it's done especially if you don't know what's happening Like if your your mind has to your body has to be conditioned to movements like you see a movement you react You know like if he's doing this a punches come in that way. I'm turning this way I'm turning that way if something's coming that way if he throws the left the right is coming behind it I'm ducking under if you don't know What those patterns are and and then even if you do Roy would move so fast It would fuck up your whole Understanding of distance and timing everything would be off.

1:22:56He is Yeah, he was a special. It makes so much sense. I say in his prime He was like unstoppable. He was he was like every fight was an execution He played a fucking full basketball game one day and then defended his title Played a basketball game And then after the basketball game running around the court played played well And then defended his title just because it was like he was having fights playing with his food. Yeah, he's a machine He was truly he was so good in one of the one of the nicest people I've ever met great such a great guy great guy great guy great commentators. Well, it's very good at boxing commentary But um, yeah, he had a split personality.

1:23:35Do you know the Mike Tyson story? No So Mike Tyson when he was 13 so Mike Tyson had a terrible childhood, you know Bedford staviscent Brooklyn. It was just like horrible neighborhood crime and you know in and out of detention centers He gets adopted when he's 13 by this guy customado who is one of the greatest trainers of all time, but also a hypnotist So custom auto starts hypnotizing Mike Tyson when he's 13 years old. Oh my gosh And when he talks him about fighting he's like you don't exist only the task So all of the things like what maybe I'm not good enough. Maybe I'm not he maybe I'm this maybe I'm not Maybe I'm a fraud maybe but you don't exist It's only the task and you are going to be the greatest heavyweight champion of all time That is such a great And if custed and die He probably I mean he had an unbelievable spectacular career, but you can tell the difference when cuss is gone He doesn't have that mentor anymore.

1:24:36He doesn't have that leadership and eventually it kind of falls apart for him You know he wins the title when cuss had already been dead But then defends the title he was just unstoppable. He was so much better than everybody else, but Slowly but shortly up until the buster Douglas fight you see like this deterioration of his discipline and He sort of just resting on his laurels and fear everyone was so terrified of them But the time they got into the ring they were already beaten. Yeah, you'd see the look in their eye when he was staring actually they were off fuck and so If cuss was still alive like who knows what he would have accomplished who knows He probably didn't ever lost if cuss stayed alive If cuss was like slightly younger and was able to make it with him deep into his career.

1:25:23Who knows yeah But hypnotize him when he was 13 And that's early. I mean you're still getting your formative identity and beliefs about the world Also you all the sudden have love in your life all sudden you have respect All of sudden you have people appreciate you for what you do and so you really like dig into this thing So Jim Jacobs was his manager and Jim Jacobs is also an archivist archivist He has the greatest archive of boxing films in the world. That's what at the time So he's got all the old fighters Stanley Ketchle and Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey and so Mike Tyson when he's not training is watching the greatest boxers of all time on film Which nobody has access to most boxers you are as good as the Jimmy training You know if you're training a gym with Tommy her and it's like Tammy is so good and you learn by being around him And you see what he does and you try to emulate it But the level of the best guys and the gym it's always very top down the the best gyms always have Some fucking assassins at the very top world champions top of the food chain guys and everybody else sort of like follows their beat And you absorb well Mike Tyson was absorbing from everybody He was absorbing from Joe Lewis and sugar a Robinson.

1:26:42He was watching everybody archie more He was watching all the greats just hours and hours and hours and hours of studying films So it was proximity so it was everything he got proximity and like exposure to all that and nobody else and genetics He was when he was 13 years old. He was 190 pounds I had no idea yeah, Teddy Atlas used to take him to what they call smokers smokers or like these amateur sort of unregulated fights And they would say how old is he and you'd say 13 like bullshit and you like how old do you think he is He's like 16 and so they put him in with 16 girls and he knocked them out.

1:27:19Oh my god. Hey, he's not gonna everybody out He was just a genetic freak on top of being very intelligent But never really applied to anything other than boxing fully absorbed with boxing has a trainer who's one of the greatest trainers of all time trained Ford Patterson Jose Torres. I mean Customado was a legendary world champion trainer and then on top of that he's a hypnotist So he's like deeply involved in the psyche of his fighters And he's a mentor figure to this kid and so you have that combination of things and you have that guy the greatest Mike Tyson it's 79 at the age of 13. That's him at 13.

1:27:56Oh my gosh Fuck By -seps bro look at his biceps look at his fucking right bicep at 13 That is different saying I know Muhammad Ali above that is 12 years old and Tyson 13 and built like a tank that is so crazy It's a monster. Oh, he was everything was perfect. It was the perfect storm intelligence genetics training proximity and you know, he was around great fighters as well You know, he was he was in gyms in the cat skills with some of the best fighters of his era Does he credit like psychedelics for his like this transformation that he's made He does talk about it. Yeah, he does talk about it I'm sure he had an impact on him that marijuana both those things had an impact on him I mean, he's got to be Not I mean just fighting for that long your brains going through so much and you've got a yeah, you've got to You got to come back to earth.

1:28:53It's like a dude coming off a five -year deployment or something over At least like you've got to reestablish yourself back to a normal Yes, and I've heard him just talk about it once where he talked about I think it was just a civil assignment But that is that that saved me from a lot of Really crazy stuff as well But I think he is just a guy who knows I would be terrified like if I was a cop and pull them over and he said go and get back in your car. I'd be like okay Yeah When I first met him well, well, I met him before this but when he first did the podcast He was not working out at all and he was smoking weed all day long and he was like silly and peaceful and relaxed And he said he didn't want to work out because if he did he would reignite his ego And he didn't want to do that And then the second time I saw him was when he was preparing for the Roy Jones fight and he had lost like a hundred pounds He was shredded and like all his muscles were just fucking big and thick and puffed up and he looked terrifying Was like and Jamie and I were like that's a totally different person Like from from the first episode he did the second episode completely different person Because he was Mike Tyson again He was getting ready to fight again and he was fucking terrifying and this is a Mike Tyson again at 50 Right, so imagine what Mike Tyson at 22 was like I mean how to be fucking terrifying I bet he won so many fights just psychologically.

1:30:25Oh, yeah Standing across the ring looking at that guy Even if I was a good fighter. Yeah, I'm like man. Yeah, why am I terrified of him? You're standing like why am I doing this? Uh -huh Yeah, he had an aura and all the greats have auras like that Roy Jones had that aura in his prime too Where you you knew the fighter that he was facing was fucked and it you know eventually catches up with you And it did with Mike with Buster Douglas and then a van der Holyfield and some of the other fights after that But you know when a fighter has that aura it takes a very special confident person to overcome that and that's why why winning a title is so difficult It's so difficult to be the champion is the psychological part Especially if you've never had a championship fight and you're fighting someone like you know Anderson Silva in his prime Who had just been dominating his division?

1:31:14This is your first world world title fight and you're fighting a guy who's been there done that eight times Destroyed everybody in his path and he's looking at you the way and he's not remotely nervous about you And he's like smiling at you and he thinks he's just gonna tear you apart. Yeah, and it takes a person of very special psychological You have to have Afforditude your mind has to be so fucking strong to be able to handle that moment because it's not just the physical fight of skills It's also the moment. Yeah, and the moment is overwhelming. It's it's it's so different than everything else You know you want to talk about novelty the novelty of a world title fight.

1:31:57I mean just imagine someone backstage at the UFC You have there's four fights before you get on and you're watching people get knocked out and head kicked You're in the green room and you're in the the the locker rooms rather and you're warming up your practicing your hitting myths And you're thinking what the fuck am I getting my self into like what am I doing? And then you see Anderson Silva warming up and like oh Jesus Christ What am I doing like you have to have a very special mind to be able to Overcome that and I think it's one of the reasons why a lot of fighters today are seeking out mental coaches It's very common and I first found about it through my friend Vinny Shorman who has worked with a lot of MMA fighters and a lot of world championship kickboxers As well and helped a lot of people with that But there's quite a few different fighters now that utilize mental coaches and some sort of Visualization coaching and then where they have very specific goals in terms of how they want to walk out what they want they want to see the whole thing There's guys like John Jones would famously like walk out Before the fight and he would move around the octagon He would like soak it all up in If he's there when no one was there before everything and we would get footage of it sometimes of him just moving around You know he'd move around with his coaches He just wanted to feel the floor under his feet He want to see the cage.

1:33:23He wanted to get himself in that mindset And you know, John is if not the greatest one of the absolute greatest of all time and you know He was meticulous and still is meticulous about his preparation meticulous about watching tape and footage and understanding who he's fighting What their moves are what they do what their tells what the mistakes they make And then visualizing success. I think the visualization is so powerful Yeah, because he's winning 50 Hundred times. He's winning that fight before it starts He's winning it so many times and he's and he could just go in the ring your Programming that mammalian brain with the smells and the sounds and just the feel of everything And it's so that's such a great practice to establish for anybody Yeah, as many bases as you can cover right like the physical skills of fighting are so difficult to master And you get to a certain level of ability where you do have confidence You know, you do think you are the man and you could just dominate everybody But the problem is when you're facing someone else is also the man like he thinks he's the man too And then you start questioning maybe a mom maybe I'm wrong.

1:34:33Maybe what's happened to my opponents is now going to happen to me Maybe I'm going to get mine now fuck and you know You're the doubts start creeping into your mind and unless you have Some sort of a system of how to organize your mind and how to mitigate all this anxiety and stress and how to think about things and Concentrate only on the positive things only on what you are going to do Not all that bullshit and I think that's it. It's about rehearsal and it's the way that seat eat top seat eos to it and everybody is They're rehearsing all of that the good things happening in their head all the time They have just this general belief that things are going to be great And the guy that's psyching himself out before a fight he's where he's maybe it only takes a second But he's rehearsing a loss.

1:35:21He's rehearsing these little bad things happening and the the brain the mammalian brain doesn't speak English at all So it's saying okay, this is like we're preparing for this. I'm going to try to make this happen It's the same thing when you're like searching for a car on the internet and you finally go buy it after a month You see it all over the place your brain you're telling your brain what to search for and seek out It's so true and that's our particular formation inside of our brain So with these fighters if I'm if I'm rehearsing on purpose Then I'm more likely to win if I'm rehearsing on accident by worrying worrying is rehearsal Mm -hmm and that's one of the things I talked to Roy about with his guys that he trains If I worry once it's that's rehearsal that's a that's a one rehearsal practice checked off the box And I got to do one more to cancel that out It's mental rehearsal Rehearsal that's interesting Yeah, and just Be you have to also be aware of things that can go wrong if you do drop your hands can go wrong If you do not move your head off the center line if there's something that you do that's a mistake There's real consequences So you probably a little bit of fear is very good for you like one of the things that fighters talk about is having flat performances Because they came into confident And then they start getting beat up and they can't shift gears like they can't get to the fear part Because the fears kind of over once you start fighting Like when I was competing I was always terrified up until the fight But when the fight is happening you're not scared at all You're just reacting you're moving and you know You just mean you probably get scared if you're getting hurt if you're getting battered You know and you're you're against the ropes and you're getting fucked up But for the most part you're not scared You're just you're in this zen state you're in this state of just letting your training do the work But the lead up to it the lead up to it is where everybody freaks out That's that's where the real fear comes And it's just mitigating that until you can get in there and then once you get in there you're really not scared That makes perfect sense It's the same thing in the military like if you're getting into a gunfight or something There's fear before and not during And that's the same thing and if so if you imagine they'd be feared during as well though No I have I mean I don't want to speak for myself I've talked to a lot of dudes it just kind of everything It was quiet.

1:37:41It's a mental stillness because we go through a lot of Training that that gets you ready for a lot of those scenarios I could man I could show you a video after this That'll be fun, but they had this program where like they put a black bag over your head and There's a bunch of dudes that are mostly like retired operators dudes And every few minutes this black bag that you can't see through And it's not like a plastic bag. It's just like a hood And you're sitting there just holding your gun and they rip this bag off your head There's a circle on the ground. It's like five feet wide and you can't step out of it.

1:38:15You can't take a knee. Those are the only rules In for these There's a scenario playing out in front of you Every time the bag comes off and these guys are wearing like aerobic style clothes and the Middle Eastern style clothes. They're blaring Crazy music and explosions in your head while the hood is on the hood gets ripped off It's like 40 seconds long. You don't know what to expect. You know, I have no idea what's gonna happen And these guys they're wearing little mask and you have simulated ammunition um Some will try to kill you Some might run up to you really fast and ask for directions And you never know what's gonna happen and for these dudes to go down They're all gonna try to shoot you first.

1:38:58If they shoot you first you start the day over And it's like 11 hours. It's it's a it's grueling process. Huh, so They keep this is what is the purpose of this like what are they trying to achieve? There's a few things your aim like I need to get better at target acquisition. So like I Do something here and I know something over here. I'm gonna rotate over to this this next thing that I have to deal with and After days and days and days of this you get very good Like it's nowhere near that level, but you walk out of there feeling like yeah, I'm John Wick now But they get you to a level and the instructors don't go down unless you hit them twice in the base of the nose So like you can shoot them in the chest and they'll slow down or they'll take a knee but What happened I hit some stuff.

1:39:53We're Really? Yeah, they're good now. Okay So like they'll slow down, but you hit them Twice in the base of the nose and they go down. They'll they'll drop and that's like the brain stem you have to suffer the brain stem and It's days and days and days of this and you can't step out of the circle and what is the simulated ammunition? I like what are they using? It's a real bullet Inside of a real gun So it's like the beretta I deployed with But you take the barrel out and you put in this smaller barrel and it's it's a real bullet but the tip of it's like wax And it's filled with like hot pink laundry detergent essentially Like a little paintball, but it's inside of a bullet inside of a real bullet You're gonna have a problem with that fucking watch.

1:40:39I know It's on airplane mode. I had one of those once I wore it for one day and it was buzzing during a podcast. I was like all right. Fuck this thing Now it's gonna go off over there and you're gonna have to reach for it. So these are the bullets that they use Paintball training bullets and so good Joe Yeah, airplane mode. Maybe it's someone important calling you. Isn't there like people on your list? Nope Yeah, that's it So those things they just splatter on your face is that what it is? Yeah, I mean the guys are wearing masks and stuff like that right and But if it hits that area then you go down.

1:41:17Yeah, you're you're done And then it's a lot of critical judgment and decision making there might be a guy that walks up to you and he's holding your axe Over his shoulder, but it's just like a farmer Because maybe the younger guys are like oh, there's a dude. There's a weapon. He needs to die. Right But he has no intent Right, so I'm you can't just shoot people because I have a weapon over there So it's a really good training for judgment and and that's just that fast decision making Okay, and so this is just to sort of condition them so that when a battle takes place It'll be sort of automatic to fall into these Patterns that they've learned yeah, and that they may say the center of the parts of the world But they say you're gonna default to the lowest level of your training the lowest level that you've repeated thousands of times Right, that'll be your default so It's interesting that you worked with one fighter have you worked with any fighter since then Two other guys have worked with just through Roy I mostly work with CEOs that Need to need a break from a bunch of limiting crap that's holding them back or business people But two other fighters that have worked with and you can watch this guy's fight He's not gassed out.

1:42:30He's sitting in the corner the other guy's just heaving and you get his chest is still And you could see the announcers even say it in the fight that he's not making any facial expressions Um, man, I can't remember Hold on I'll find it okay um But it's on YouTube the fight is on YouTube. I'll I'll bring it up Bryant Porella Bryant Porella is his name Jamie will find it and The announcers are even saying he's not making facial expressions when he's getting hit It's like terminator his face was just Completely straight. There's a guy that was one of the greatest heavyweights of all time out of Russia His name is Fedora million Enko and he fought in pride Which was this enormous organization in Japan in the early 2000s and he was famous for having like a completely stoic expression no matter what happened That'd be terrifying Oh, he was the most terrifying and because he was so skillful as well But I wonder like what they taught him in terms of like How to keep your your mind in check in the middle of Chaos because I mean he'd be in these fucking wars and just his facial expression never changed There's this famous fight with him and Kevin Randleman Kevin Randleman was this elite American wrestler and he Suplexes Fedora on his head like on his neck and on his head and his expression never changes And the middle again thrown through the air was slammed onto the ground then moments later.

1:43:59He catches Kevin in an arm bar Wow, yeah, it was crucious like never change his face just calm You know he might be having a cup of coffee at a local cafe. I bet it was what what you were talking about earlier Well like you don't exist Yeah, you don't exist and it was what I'm teaching to these fighters and what I'm programming these fighters to do is Is essentially the same thing you don't exist. There's another part of you that's gonna take over for this This entire experience and this part of you is more than capable So Did you talk to Roy about like what fighters experience like what to work on yeah, so what did Roy tell you Roy said that the three most important things are I don't want him to get gassed out too fast Which is like when Maybe that's a common term a lot of it.

1:44:48Yeah, a lot of his anxiety adrenaline dump. Yeah, yeah, and feeling like you're running out of air Yeah And I I want him to be immune to pain which is obviously not Not completely possible. We can get close like to him feeling As so confident that the pain doesn't matter And he wanted him to be completely Hell bent on destroying this other guy. This is like Roy's three things and he said you add him whatever he wants I added in some because a couple of those things are symptoms So I wanted to figure out what's the root cause of this like if I'm just hell bent on taking this guy out The root cause of that might be I'm anger and And just being extremely mad and angry at somebody Generally speaking they tell you that that's not a good emotion to take inside the ring Because anger will anger is an emotion and emotions will cause you to like Yuri Pahaskas says Go into another line So instead of doing what you should be doing in in the flow You might push things so you might be a little too aggressive and open yourself up to counters You might not be defensively responsible because you're really only thinking about offense Whereas you have to kind of be in the zone of both things at the same time and knowing when to attack and when not to attack It makes a lot of sense.

1:46:11Yeah a lot of people Don't think but then there's fighters that fight angry if you know they're very successful If you know a guy I'll do it for you To be interesting. Well, there's a lot of UFC fighters probably listening to this right now like me Like I'm sure you'll get people that are interested in it Because everyone knows that there is a huge psychological aspect to fighting everyone knows that no no one denies that no one thinks You could just be skillful and just be you know and everyone knows there's a psychological aspect of it It's very very very important and if you could do something that would strengthen that the same way you do something that strengthens your cardio or strengthens your power You would think that that would be very beneficial huge advantage tiger Tiger Woods had an on call did he hypnotist?

1:46:55Yeah, really yeah an on call hypnotist. Yeah, like a guy that I think traveled with them well many many times so he had a regular hypnotist that he saw and I think it's a tremendous advantage and and If you can get it to a point so like I had been training all these CEOs a Couple politicians that I've worked with that needed this breakthrough and of confidence in authority and all this other stuff So I always had this way to like turn this thing on there was like an on switch To activate this little alter ego thing And for the all the fighters I had to figure out something else because they couldn't use their hands their hands are all You know glove up and taped up and all that all that kind of stuff But I figured out with the fighter like there was so much It was almost like a little psychopath when this thing came on and you can see it in in Bryant's face on this fight and get footage of him Jamie I was looking at tigers I got lost into that I found the guy but Oh, you found who it was Jay Bruns is his name Jay Bruns is when he was younger He also he carried for him so he was around with him all oh tiger Woods you're talking about it We were talking about Roy Jones junior fighter That's like having your corner man your hypnotist that is kind of crazy every time in the corner.

1:48:11All right, and sleeve So he traveled around with them all the time Well, I would imagine look if you're doing something like golf where there's millions of dollars on the line and that is clearly a very very much a mental game Yeah, there's a lot of thinking and calculating and being in the zone and golf That totally makes sense that'll be effective and it's so different It's so similar though to fighting was it's a very mental game Like can I stay here? Can I can I be present? Can I figure out what's going on and keeping my own nothing about fighting But I know a whole lot about the brain and how and how people work You know, it's interesting because what you're saying kind of applies to stand up comedy too Because I have we've talked about this a bunch of times in the green room of the club I think stand up comedy sipnosis I think it's kind of a massive noses because I feel hypnotized when someone's really good When someone's I'm just as not even as a person who's who does it But he has an audience member when someone's really good.

1:49:11I'm allowing them to kind of think for me You know, I'm going with the way they think about things when someone's really funny and I really enjoy watching them I'm in their mind They're taking me on a journey. They're like holding my hand and telling me where we're going And if someone's really good, you let them I've never thought about that before but that's it That's you're bypassing your own critical factor where I'm not criticizing this information because it's funny Because I want to hear it. Yeah, well, that's why jokes work when you know the person doesn't really believe that They don't want us that you know, they're saying crazy shit But you're laughing anyway because you know what they're doing they're just taking you on a fun ride It's like a fun ride through jokes And when you are doing it, there's this moment that you want to achieve Where you're essentially a passenger You're not even really the driver as the as the as a comedian.

1:50:08Yeah, you're kind of the passenger and the the set sort of takes over and you are just going with where it wants to go And when the subjects come up If you're not completely Invested in what that subject is the audience knows you can say the words the right way With the right timing and they won't work. There's like something about it But if you're locked in the audience gets locked in with you And it's the difference between someone who can't figure it out and someone who becomes successful It's like realizing that you can't talk about something while you're not thinking about it You have to be thinking about that thing and you have to be invested in it.

1:50:52It has to be real to you It has to be something you're really interested in and then the audience gets interested in as well Yeah That is so true. Yeah, it's a form of hypnosis. I think in the second I mean one big part of hypnosis is something called fractionation. Are you familiar with this? No So it's fractionation is where like I would put you into a trance And now it's bringing you almost all the way out to where your eyes are kind of opening again And then send you back down again and you go deeper So in comedy and and in conversations you can do this to people where it's like super fun thing Then really depressing or scary thing fun thing scary thing scroll through your social media feed.

1:51:27Yeah It's fractionation as well, but it increases suggestibility and one of the only One of the best guys I've seen is like Mitch headberg could pull people in oh yeah Man he was such an awesome dude when it came to that stuff You know why he could pull people in though is because people knew What to expect when you want to see Mitch headberg Mitch headberg struggle was the early days When people didn't know who he was and if you schedule the show badly like save you have like a Opening act that's high energy and then a middle act the worst is like if a middle act does like singing and songs and stuff and then He's very non -sequitur deadpan one funny line after another absurdities It's all absurd and you know sometimes it didn't catch on it like he had to be come famous And then people wanted to go see him knowing what they were gonna go see.

1:52:23Yeah That makes so much sense. Yeah, and then it's kind of like a Stephen Wright. Yes Very similar non -sequiturs and wacky observations. Yeah, wow I would have never considered that so people have to have a degree of expectancy Well, not always I mean sometimes people just appreciate it because it's funny But they show us to be structured correctly Like if like I said if someone goes on before and it's a rowdy crowd and they're singing and they do some Fucking back flips or something crazy and you get used to that person like this big reaction from the audience Then you got a guy there with sunglasses on that someone asked me if I want a frozen banana I said no, but I want a regular banana later.

1:53:03So yes Like it's like what the fuck are you talking about like you have to be a mishadburg fan or know what he's doing Yeah, appreciate that yeah, but once he became famous then it was awesome because then he was free So then he just be himself he didn't have to worry about like they were coming to see him So then he could just like really like excel. Yeah so What I teach I want to see if you really can relate this to comedy somehow I teach you know we talked about what influences them a male and brain focus authority tribe and emotion those four things And no no language involved whatsoever And then the human brain has six things And it seems like expectancy is one of those things.

1:53:46So it's focus openness connection Suggestibility compliance and expectancy And I think you only need three if you get three you can get compliance from anybody like the Milgram experiment There's no openness. There's no connection and there's no expectancy. They're not they don't know what to expect is next So Milgram experiment only got three and made people murderers only three So as a comic If you're on stage you you have to generate that focus You want to create some level of openness with the people in the crowd so they're open to receiving And suggestibility I guess would have to be in there right and connection would be a huge one Yeah, there's a lot of things going on But there's there's so much that goes into planning a show that I never thought about until just when you said then like you you have to keep the energy level at the right balance You also have the right to have the right mindset before you go on stage like the worst thing that can happen is before you go on stage Something happens that throws you off Like you get a phone call from a loved one like something goes wrong at your house like you're in a car accident Like something happens before you go on stage and you're fucked up That that's a bad one.

1:54:58Yeah, yeah That happened me yesterday what happened because maybe you got the biggest show I think in the world The biggest podcast in the world and I for the first time in a year and a half I had seizures yesterday Oh my god just yesterday things because of the show the show put you into a seizure I've went I forgot to take methylene blue for three days. Oh, and the seizures came back. Wow. How bad was it? Uh, they were like a minute and a half But one of them we were in that on the way to a restaurant. I was like holding our daughter who's like 13 months old. Oh Jesus and It was just but it's not like a crazy seizure.

1:55:33It's just like your head falls down But I thought like yeah, this is I'm gonna have a seizure on on Rogan. Oh, no Yeah, it like I would like if it happened I would beg you to keep it in have there been studies on methylene blue and seizures where our doctors recommending this stuff absolutely. I've published papers on it So doctors are backing it up. There's tons and tons of studies and these are major universities. It's not like Jimbo's college Down in Mexico City or something These are major universities neurodegenerative disorders like Parkinson's myesthenia gravus ALS and epileptic disorders so anybody that's got epilepsy this is neuro protective And then it's also neuro generative it helps you to get to a point where you can make new neurons and it It helps your mitochondria so much your neuron mitochondria.

1:56:25Wow And like mitochondria make up six percent of your body weight It's like we we got a lot real mitochondria We have a ton and they have they don't have human DNA. I thought you might like that. What does mitochondria have? It's its own DNA They think it was like original from bacteria and then formed a relationship with single -celled organisms and then became human Or became animals mammals and mitochondria do not have do not share DNA with humans Whoa, and they power ourselves It's pretty cool and Methylene blue helps them Yes, there's a there's a whole lot and the reason red light is effective is because of this chemical called cytochrome Coxidase and It's absorbing so much of that red light to where there's photons going down into the mitochondria helping to generate ATP But it is I'm not like saying click the link down below or anything like that It saved my life.

1:57:26Is there anything that people should be worried about with that stuff? Like other than taking SSRIs is there what happens if you take too much of it like I'm not a doctor But you taking too much of it can be toxic. I mean taking too much aspirin will do the same thing Right, so it's it's a hormesis is what they call this where I'm like at the right amount. It's helpful So that's a whorimetic effect and what's the effect of dose again per body weight my dose I can't tell anybody what to do But the dose I take is about one to two milligrams per kilogram per day and then I'll take one day off like once a week Maybe sometimes keep going So if I'm 70 kilograms And I'm taking two milligrams or two milligrams per kilogram.

1:58:14I'm gonna take a 140 milligrams per day all at one time usually just in the morning And it is so cool. I've heard people say that they feel a cognitive benefit from it as well. Oh, yeah Yeah, I think it's just generating a lot more energy in your brain because there's ATP Just going out everywhere This sounds like one of those things though where I'm we're talking about this I'm like man one day this is going to bite everybody in the ass like this sounds like one of those ones where It's almost too good to be true I know it's it's back by 120 years of research I was just googling the weight of them.

1:58:52This is what best I could find Okay, so let's do the tiny size individual mitochondria weight incredibly small amount particularly negligible But collectively in the human body total weight of all mitochondria to estimate the range of a few milligrams However, the exact rate can be dependent on factors like body mass and cell type Well, that doesn't sound like six percent of your body. I don't think that's correct But that's AI overview it can't be wrong. Oh, that's right. Sorry Interesting. Where did you hear this from? No professor of mine So maybe he's dealing with old information might be Yeah, a few milligrams definitely I think it's a lot more than that okay, but either way it's part of your body And there it's like the most important thing in our bodies is is mitochondria so we get inflammation and we have all these Disorders it starts with some kind of dysfunction with mitochondria most of the time as I understand it So the doctor that got me on this mitochondria is or mitochondrial health regimen which is Methylene blue plus high dose melatonin and this is like really 200 milligrams and do you take during the day?

2:00:00Oh no like melatonin at night right around sunset where my body is kind of naturally I've heard people talk about the side effects of melatonin and that they're taking Exogenous melatonin it might not be the best idea Right melatonin doesn't have a rebound it does no so it doesn't have an effect on your body's ability to produce it either no No, no, there's no negative side effects of well, people think there's negative side effects of everything right there Could be that's I mean one of the problems with the muddy murky waters of health and nutrition This is it's hard to know who's correct because there's a bunch of Airquot experts on both sides.

2:00:38There's yeah, what I'm saying is it's correct for me because it's it's solving the problem of me Like when my daughter was born my daughter was born in christmas Eve 2023 When I was driving my wife to the hospital at that time. I didn't know who she was Really yeah, so you had seized up no, I mean something was wrong it my hippocampus was like eating itself at that time I knew that she was a friend. I knew that she was important to me what you literally didn't know she was your wife Didn't know she was my wife. I took selfies with her going into the hospital. She's pregnant going into labor and delivery But I knew that if I could fake it For 10 or 15 minutes when this thing like wears off because I'd have these like weird phases that my brain went through If I could fake it for 10 or 15 minutes and it'll come back to me and it What a mind fuck it's terrifying in that like You won't like you're losing everything it you lose everything without losing your life Well also you're wondering what if this is permanent?

2:01:41What if I am like what is that moving memento? I remember that movie Oh, yeah, I was doing it right everything down on his arm Yeah, yeah, because yet he didn't know what the fuck was going on. Yeah, yeah, and he had that Polaroid camera that carried around Yeah, it's a good movie great movie, but it's scary in that like You were not there. It's like it's kind of like an Alzheimer's thing. Yeah, but it was different in that like I spent with this hippocampal Problem sclerosis and this temporal ove epilepsy. I thought my dog was fake Fake Jesus like I saw somebody like planted this animal here.

2:02:16It's not a real thing Will you paranoid or someone did this not at all? We like why is this fake dog here? There is paranoia like we were Before a temporal ove seizure happens There's so much deja vu that it feels like you're going down a roller coaster like you're falling off a building that kind of pit of your stomach feeling So you look around and you're like there's no way that all of this is not set up someone set this up So there is paranoia there like right as a seizure starts because everything starts looking like I've seen every single detail right here before someone setting me up and then it boom seizure starts Jesus, it's horrible man But mine stopped and if I stopped taking meth only and then seizure start And I'm not saying anybody's got to go to the same website as me you can get on Amazon.

2:03:05It's nice and cheap Is there anything else that affects it? They like your diet? Drinking is there anything that yeah, if I eat a lot of carbs uh Definitely so like a low carb keto diet is what they recommend for Alzheimer's and and all kinds of brain disorders is Cancer as well. Yeah. Yeah It's so helpful for your body So I have a low carb super low carb diet and try to Remember that methylene blue every day and I do red light therapy at home I have a huge helmet thing that goes down. It's a red light laser system that's supposed to penetrate your skull and your body like four inches So I do that about once a day for about 20 minutes.

2:03:46It's bad ass. It's a cool It looks like one of those hair dryers from a like a old hair. It sounds cool But I always think like how much electricity around your brain is a good thing like because people are telling you not to have your buds in anymore Yeah, yeah, have you hit jack cruise or you heard no? Yeah, I know he is yeah I've heard so much of what he said and looks like I've stopped using Uh, have you heard him break down sv 40 horrifying. That's is very interesting. Yeah, very interesting I was in the virus that's connected to some vaccines. I hope someone looks into it. Yeah I talked to Brett Weinstein about it and he explained it to me It's crazy like they they used monkey kidney cells.

2:04:32Yeah as the basis for certain vaccines not knowing that they were gonna In fact these vaccines with this sv 40 and it causes cancer awful yeah, and it's just like I'm so I'm not educated on medicine So like I don't know like is that a common thing? Have they done it with a whole bunch of other stuff and we're just looking at with this one thing I don't think I'm educated enough on that to know a lot about it But hearing jack described that was terrifying just terrifying. Yeah Oh, and there's so many Other things that are coming out just one after the other with this stuff that was going on with the vaccines and all that Mm -hmm, we can even say that word Well, you can now that Robert F.

2:05:17Kennedy Jr. is the head of HHS. Yeah It's gonna be interesting to see what he uncovers We do a yeah, take a P break. Okay. We'll be right back So what are you saying about what you teach the governance? So we teach the government guys like siops guys a lot and We teach them a system called neuro cognitive intelligence It's essentially how do I identify in a population or one person Some behavioral patterns and if I can identify behavioral patterns and I can predict future behavior And if I can predict that I can influence it to another direction And it's pretty easy if you could kind of get these basics down And the like the first thing that we teach is this thing called the childhood triangle And this is what did I do around the age of eight For safety friends and rewards.

2:06:08So how did I what did I do to feel safe What I do to make or keep friends and what did I do to get some kind of reward for some kids of reward was like Uh, their parents complimenting them some kids of reward was like water or food You know depending on your life how you were brought up But if you look at adult behavior When you see these patterns of how adults deal with conflict You're seeing most of the time How they dealt with conflict as a kid because we're carrying all these childhood patterns into adulthood all the time It is so common So when we have a habit of dealing with conflict even in a relationship not even a work thing We're spotting these little childhood patterns of safety friends and rewards Almost all the time and if I can spot that that's like our step one of developing a pretty deep behavior profile of a human being Is that making any sense?

2:07:02Yeah, it does okay And then step two is identify social needs and this is like what what do we need from other people And there's six six of these and this is like significance acceptance approval intelligence pity and strength and of course that's not all human needs But those are the six that that you can spot pretty easily and that you can leverage Pretty easily when it persuasion and influence if I'm if I'm training an intelligence guy to go recruit somebody overseas Right He's got to be able to spot these things because he Responding what this person needs so if I'm in a conversation somebody says well been a CEO for 20 years I manage 9 ,000 people at this company.

2:07:41There's a significance statement Right, so we hear these statements in conversation all the time But we hear them just kind of passively instead of understanding What's being revealed in a conversation So if I hear a person speak you'll hear one of those six in almost every conversation even if it's uh, uh, two minute conversation with an Uber driver You're gonna hear some of these statements come out And the acceptance would be like I'm I need to be part of groups I need to be I'm a member of things we they use a lot of words like we did this we did that And the approval people are like well, you know, I'm going on uh, I've got this thing tomorrow.

2:08:17I got to speak on stage I never do a good job and I need you to tell me like now chase you you're great. You're gonna be okay You're gonna do a great job. This is the approval seeking the intelligence Seeking people will talk about the universities. They went to the the grades that they got there They'll display their intellect in all these ways and pity pity people is pretty obvious like In the way that we deal that the pity person is essentially asking to other people realize how bad I've had it or what I've been through And if I can spot that then I can start recognizing that and making this person see me as their type of person Because now I'm not just a person or a friend They're getting neuropeptides from all of this so I'm kind of a drug dealer If I can spot which of these six this person is and they're but then these behavioral patterns So this is like in the first two minutes of of an interaction you can spot these things In the strength and power person There's one that's leader and one that's like I need to If I bark loud enough If I act tough enough then nobody's gonna hurt me So there's one that's kind of the natural leader and there's one that's like the the Chihuahua Right the defensive.

2:09:23Yeah, yeah And when you say you work with siops people what do you mean by that? I've trained many times US Army siops branch and How to do these in a name is it just called siops branch called siops What's that Jamie video the other day Which one that crazy like trailer we entered the podcast with it. It was like on the style up youtube channel their commercial right that what that that video is great It's cool. It's very cool, but it's crazy. Yeah And it's it's like can we play that again? Do they let us play it or do they give us shit? YouTube as a lot of people wanted to go around. I would imagine.

2:10:07Yeah, they would want that to go around But trying to help you fucking brainwash people We're on your side. We're America. You know who Edward Bernays is I know the name He was the guy who's he invented Like public brainwashing large -scale brainwashing And he was the guy who changed the Department of War to the Department of Defense He's the guy who invented the Torches a freedom campaign to get women to smoke Virginia slams He's got dyed murder and yellow Yeah, that's it if your opponent is of caloric temper seek to irritate him pretend to be weak that he may grow arrogant Sun zoo the art of war But kill bill This is such a wild video Have you ever wondered The peaceful program on the situation in China comes to a violent and so good whoever made this Way to go Under course who's pulling these strings Who is unnamed who did this If you look at for purpose in your life Born from the ashes and this video comes on This kid this could get you to sign up of a world at war gunt Most makes you want to sign up now you'll find us in the shadows Right you want to be these guys sneaking in with the guns right at the tip of the spear Marching an impressive manner a threat rises in the east oh no The music helps a lot.

2:11:50Oh, yeah, it really does They're back to the Mongols. This is crazy and then they shift from that To modern military antifa scrolling All the worlds of stage There is another very important phrase of warfare It has as a target not the body But the lion but the enemy Target Like a lot of war anybody wanting to be in control of stuff Yeah, this would be just so like okay. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna go be in charge of everything intoxicating anything we touch Is a weapon We can to see Persuade Change I wonder if they can now with doge When a few essay didn't crippled will have an impact on that better will probably but it will I don't know if that's good or bad So these If if you know how To speak to a person and neck and you can get them into an identity agreement early on in that conversation You can do anything and if you just look at Milgram all they use and so remember we talked about those six things that influence a person Look at that Milgram experiment.

2:13:16There's only three If you look at that the lines experiment a person guessing which line is the longer or which line matches There's only a few in there and you get absolute compliance from that so If you can do that and then get somebody to make an identity agreement like what kind of person are you So as I just put this in practical terms like I'm training a real estate person One -on -one They're like well, how do I get these clients to behave like this at the end so you get them to agree the beginning And like so one of these lines would be like you know when I first started learning real estate They told me that I'm only ever going to deal with three types of clients They're going to be like the first ones are the doubters And these are the people that doubt everything because they may be they had Hard childhood or they get screwed over so many times that they doubt just everything which leads them to never taking action The next ones are the delayers these people just push everything off in their life and Well a lot and then we have the deciders and these people get all the information that they possibly need and they make a decision So without me even if I'm the real estate person without me even telling you or you agreeing or saying what you are I've got you to subconsciously or to privately Make an agreement in your head that you're probably in category three And that's within the first like 10 minutes of meeting somebody So I've started to compromise Identity at the and in just a few minutes Mm -hmm And if I also know that you have these behavioral patterns and also know that you seek significance right before I say that I might say you know Joe it's it's obviously make a tremendous difference around here I know a lot of these people really look up to you and I looked up to my my mentor who taught me this stuff real estate And he said there's only three types of clients So now I've got your dopamine levels up.

2:15:06I've got your neurotransmitter levels up as a little verbal drug dealer To get you kind of addicted to what's going on here Then I pull you into this identity trap. That's like 45 seconds Well, I've got you into I've got you hooked into identity And it's just a small piece but I've got you hooked in to begin with and I've got you to agree that you are a certain type of person That's the key Am I the type of person who blank? Did you see a lot of the characteristics of this kind of Sci -op Interaction with the public during the COVID pandemic in my head. I was going please don't please don't bring it Because it seems like I'm gonna I'm gonna send this to Jamie because this to me was One of the darkest moments of the propaganda yeah of the the whole thing was the the the complete lack of empathy for The unvaccinated and not just lack of empathy but disdain and contempt yeah, but this was in the LA times and I saved it because I knew we were going to talk today and I remember seeing this Going god to put yourself into a place where you could even write this and then put it in the New York Times has column mocking anti -vaxxers COVID death is ghoulish yes, but maybe necessary I remember when I read that I remember when I saw that I was thinking Jesus Christ this seems like this is so on the nose George Orwell Yeah, it's so it's such a mind fight no one should ever mock someone's death That's just a Citizen that got infected With what now we know Was a genetically engineered virus yeah a gain of function virus From a weapons lab That got out to no one no one should mock an innocent person for not trusting the government and not wanting to get vaccinated That that is so crazy to mock someone's death from a disease where they did nothing wrong If you want to mock the death of a murderer or a rapist or some horrible criminal that's a different thing Right you want to mock Osama bin Laden's death you want you what that's a different we're talking about a different thing But it's this is crazy.

2:17:32This is crazy to say this to grandmas and Obese people that wind up dying from COVID. This is crazy to put that in the Los Angeles Times But that was one of those things it would let everybody else know This is how they think about you if you don't if you don't follow along Yeah, and the tribe will get you Yeah, especially that artificially simulated tribe. Oh, there's millions of people that are going to be angry with you People you don't even know and a lot of them are bots So the first time I ever went on Dr. Phil He great guy he came to my my wedding It's a close friend now, but this is I've never met him before I've never I'm some ex -military guy.

2:18:15It's like a tobacco chewing Dude in the military and I'm going now. I'm going on Dr. Phil and I'm like man. How do I uh? Like how do I how do I act if what if I what do I do if I'm nervous And he's like man you have a horrible disease and this is what Phil said chase you've got a you've got a horrible disease You have a need for love from strangers Whoa, and that changed me man Oh That's some harsh truth yeah, and I think that got me over that But if you look at all of this everything that was going on the what we talked about manipulating them a maleian brain It's seasonal on If it's every step that sees your mouth does with dogs focus authority tribe and emotion Uh -huh.

2:19:05So if I I hack your focus using novelty if you remember we talked about like something breaks our expectation I'm not expecting to see mocking and all that kind of stuff mocking anti -vaxxers focus Authority is just LA times right tribe People must agree with this because it's published and it's up there and then the emotion Mocking the deaths might be ghoulish So make me feel a little bit of emotion that helps me feel like a good person maybe maybe necessary So it's focus authority driving emotion. How much of that do you think was engineered? How much of this was do you think was planned out this response?

2:19:43Do you think that someone sat in a room And that people discussed the best ways to get people to comply? Yes, oh Yes, I would bet my career because it was executed following text book protocol and And there are these I made a youtube video on my channel of like how to spot Sci -ops and there's like 20 different little things you only need one One thing and you can spot whether or not you're standing in the middle of a sia That one thing is if the opinion that's coming out needs people to be silenced It's a sia. There's there are psychological operations in play. Wow So if you can't question it if you're supposed to just go along it's a sia Yeah, and if and if people Have to be silenced or or publicly shamed because of their because of their information and they're not telling people The sky's falling.

2:20:38They're not they're not saying crazy shit They're just saying basic stuff and they need to be silenced that is a sia no matter what you can go back in any any time in history during a sia Of our country and if people needed to be silenced or shamed publicly, which is like the tribe, right? That's why public speaking is our number one fear for humans I'm it's not a fear of speaking. It's a fear of judgment Right, so I'm just putting the threat of judgment out there that is a sia. So if people have to be silenced and they were Harvard doctors kicked off of the internet or kicked off. Yeah, Twitter for for this stuff.

2:21:15Yeah, and that's Stanford MIT Yeah, that's all you need. Yeah, the great barrington declaration people Didn't agree with exactly how the government was handling everything and they were silenced and they were treated like fringe Quacks instead of respected physicians and It was openly discussed in emails That's what's really crazy. They they talked about the strategy of silencing these people and then you had the actual government itself contacting Twitter trying to get people removed which is Wild and didn't you didn't you have marks that could bring on he talked about yeah, he talked about Facebook doing it about the FBI contacting them it's It's crazy to believe but my hope is that people have learned from this past four years and that this is an eye opener Yeah, and One thing I could say like if if you want to know whether or not you have been lied to If you can't see anything wrong with the side you agree with and you can't see anything right with the side that you disagree with you have been manipulated Or you're very rigid in the way you look at things right yeah, or I mean this this You've been assuming some of this objective right because some people just not objective right but that The lack of objectivity can come from a manipulation a lot right?

2:22:41I'm deleting your objectivity through Syumps that's what I want to do. That's what siops typically aim to do With some people again as you're talking about with suggestibility some people are more Vulnerable to that sort of group think yeah way more way more yeah And that's like if you think of Back to that childhood triangle again friends safety and rewards What did I do to get friends? I listened to them and I agreed with them What did I do to feel safe because that my dad was a dickhead or an alcoholic or something I just went along with everything they said. I'm just gonna go along with it So you made and I'm not saying that's the recipe for suggestibility, but that may be The the reason someone grows up that way.

2:23:21That's just how I lived as a child Those were my little scripts to survive as a kid an innocent little kid and There's so many siops That are happening all the time but some of them when you say siops a A really really good info -murshul is a siop right so but we're what we're talking about is a large scale right Um One of things that I thought was fascinating about the siop of the whole pandemic was that there were people that weren't even benefiting from being a part of it that were Working for the siop and you saw people that were they were making videos Mocking people that were unvaccinated or calling the one of my favorite was Keith overman.

2:24:05You ever see the Keith overrun one? No He That guy was a great sportscaster. He's I don't know what the fuck happened to him But he has this one video where he's getting he gets vaccinated and shows you his card and tells you that everybody Who's not getting the vaccine or scared vaccine hesitancy you're scared and he's like yelling you're scared And it's he's like on his balcony in Manhattan It's like so out of touch because he obviously lives in this really nice place Beautiful view of behind him and he's talking about how these people are scared because they're not getting the back Like scared of what like what are you scared of?

2:24:39Is there something to be scared of yeah? You're scared of side effects from a fucking new medicine Because there's been so many times in the past what we've seen They launch a new medicine and there's a host of side effects at the fucking pharmaceutical drug companies Probably knew about and didn't tell everybody like But you're scared you're scared. See if you can find it. It's wonderful because it's so kooky He just watch him yelling and screaming. It's like this is So ineffective but and this dude. This is how everything is like we oh, yeah They drugged everybody with LSD. Oh, yeah, we gave Indian smallpox or we fill in the blank Oh, yeah, yeah, we did that for this year and this decade and this decade and this decade and it continued on but not now Not now.

2:25:22Not we don't do that. Come on chase. Why would we do that now? This is America, Joe This is not how we operate today. We are moral. We are the leaders of the free world Yeah, you found it Yeah, this is it. Give me a second. So give me some volume. So he's getting a shot Was stupid mascot. He's got a shot. He's got accomplished and it is It is time to stop cobbling them the ones who won't get the damn shot already And our first step you and I is symbols the language we use we call these people vaccine hesitant Vaccine skeptics anti -vax we say they're protesting mandates and passports. They're making a personal choice They're waiting for more information.

2:26:06They're making a medical decision bullshit They're afraid They're afraid to get vaccinated correct stop feeding their egos about what they're doing stop legitimizing it Vaccine hesitant. They're afraid Vaccine skeptics they're afraid and tie box they're afraid They're protesting mandates and passports. They're afraid the little bit of spittle and upper left makes it extra good For more information afraid they're making a medical decision to be afraid The snowflakes are afraid okay, you can stop we get it isn't it wonderful Wow But he's doing this for social credit. He's doing this to virtue signal.

2:26:56He's doing this to show everybody He's holding up his card. I'm compliant You know, and he thinks he's gonna it's gonna benefit him somewhere. There's a payoff socially He feels like he is on the side of the intelligent people who trust the science Yeah, I wonder if someone asked him to do the video. I doubt it But I may maybe maybe possibly Paper what I know that they definitely did encourage people to post things on social media. Yeah So it was encouraged enough to the point where you got a little reward emotionally good job Keith But they're leveraging the that authority and the tribe. Yeah, like I'm not gonna nobody nobody Celebrity's gonna talk like that on TV unless lots of people agree Yeah, he's gonna have a lot of backing plenty of people agree with him But the thing about it is like a afraid of what like you're not saying what they're afraid of they're afraid of what Everyone's experiencing right now Keith.

2:27:51Yeah massive side effects. Yeah Look at the amount of people that have myocarditis look at the rises and all these autoimmune disorders and all these different things that people Neurological conditions that people are dealing with that are vaccine injured I've got a friend of mine that was kicked out of the military For not getting it and it broke my heart He was in for 19 years is about to retire and get pension and all that kind of stuff now the Trump administration Apparently he's gonna bring those people back if they want to come back with back pay. Yes, is that happening to him? Yes That's great.

2:28:21He's going back in as he was a commander It's fucking great. Well good for him first of all for sticking to his guns You know, and if he knows anybody that's been injured or died from it now I bet he probably feels pretty good about his decision and I tell you what man at 19 years I probably would have done it. I think I would have done it Because that's like that's pay for the rest of your life Kids are covered But by then you know people had already known that they were side effects You know, I've talked about it before but my my situation was I was not hesitant at all initially The UFC had allocated a bunch of the vaccines for Their employees and we were doing shows during the pandemic and we were doing them in Vegas So they were at this place called the apex center, which is a smaller arena The UFC had fights in during the pandemic Everybody had to be tested you have to be tested before you get there You have to be tested at home before you fly the whole deal you get there and then once you get there They told me that they had vaccines for all the employees So I called the doctor and I said hey can I do it while I'm here?

2:29:25I was going to do it the day of the fight. I thought I was like the flu shot like whatever I didn't know I had no fear of vaccines at all before this point I had no I'd never read any books about vaccines I thought anybody who was an anti -vaxxer was a cuck vaccines the reason why we don't have polio and small But all these different things right so They tell me that I would have to come back on Monday I can't come back on Monday or I'd have to go to the clinic on Monday They have to do it there they can't do it at the arena. I say I can't but I'll be back in two weeks for the next fights I'll do it then in between the time I was supposed to be there and come back it gets pulled from the market So they had the Johnson and Johnson it gets pulled for blood clots then two people I knew got strokes And I was like what the fuck is going on because like so many people are getting vaccinated And you know if you have millions of people getting vaccinated You're going to have some serious side effects occasionally and I Was around quite a few and I started getting really nervous and then when it came back my do I have to take this thing Because then they had pulled the Johnson Johnson They were saying well you still get the Pfizer or the Moderna and I'm like whoa whoa whoa Like what's going on here?

2:30:34What's going on? And then a bunch of people that I knew had it and got over it really quick. They got COVID And then my family got it and when my family got it I was like let me see if I can get it because like I Didn't do anything different. I hugged my kids. I slept with my wife like we hung out together They were like you're gonna get sick everybody was sick in the house, but me. I was like hmm This is I had two days where I what when I was working out. I felt kind of weak maybe this cuz you're horse -paced Could be I wasn't even taking horse -paced at the time I was taking nothing. I was just vitamins.

2:31:06I was constantly doing vitamins and nutrients I do I was doing the IV vitamins at the time once a week with NAD. I was very I'm healthy I work out a lot But it was this narrative that if you are around it, you're definitely going to get it And I was like okay, well, that's not true Yeah, because I was fucking around it and this was back then when everybody had it in my family There was no vaccine So I was like okay Let me see what happens And I didn't get it and I was like they all got over it and they all and then a bunch of my friends got it Jamie got it everybody got over it and I was like this is not what everyone's saying Everyone's saying it's a death sentence like this is fucking weird.

2:31:43This whole thing is weird and then I eventually got sick because I was touring and I was doing arenas and I was Like traveling around and wasn't that bad. It was like one day. I felt real sick It's like a cold two days later. I made that video and CNN turned my face green and Yeah, it was nuts So that to me was fascinating to be the subject of a siop was fascinating I the day that I saw that there I was on Twitter or something and I saw someone did a side -by -side original versus Air vert. Yeah, when you were like greened This man if I was really sick. I would tell everybody. Hey man. This is for real.

2:32:24I'm really fucking sick Like this is really scary because I'm very healthy. I very rarely get sick and I'm fucking real sick Like do your best get vaccinated do whatever you got to do But I was like this is weird because this is not what everybody said it was going to be This is not this death sentence three days later six days later. I'm working out with a hundred percent energy I had no problems at all. I did 10 rounds on the bag six days later Just to see I was like let's see. I feel great. Like let's see how I feel like endurance wise. It was 100 percent I felt totally normal six days later So like this is what we shut the fucking world down for and didn't tell anybody to get healthier Didn't tell anybody about vitamin D I was very fortunate that I had a very good doctor who is very into nutrition very into supplementation and He was prescribing me corsetin and zinc and you want to be really up on all your vitamin C and D and D3 And make sure that you take it with K2 and magnesium like he was on the ball So I was on the ball and I was like okay, why don't we tell people this and how come everyone's mad at me Why you mad at me for getting healthy?

2:33:29This is crazy. Yeah, it was fascinating to watch that side up It was that was the weirdest thing to watch it turned on me You yeah, you became the media that like the the medium that they used for the sion Yeah, I can't imagine how it feels. It was weird. It was weird But I was also getting a lot of support too. It was it wasn't all People mad at me. There was a lot of people mad at me, but I just stayed off social media But there was also a lot of people that were supporting me like hey, what about? Why is he healthy? Like why is he okay? How come how come you know this 54 -year -old guy didn't just drop dead like you said everybody was going to Yeah, why is he making a video three days later?

2:34:10It feels great Fuck's going on And I will tell you man. I put have a YouTube video on my channel that is anti -sciops Like how to spot siops in action and I copied that video that they made Very very similar intro But the moment that I saw one doctor on YouTube Had to not use this was at the very beginning he had to not use that word He couldn't say certain words on YouTube like back. Yeah, right right right I was like 100 % this is yeah, this is well all the algorithms were searching for it So people would spell Vax like v And then they would use like a dash and then an x you know They would do something to try to skirt around the algorithm.

2:34:57Yeah, so and then why is That's the one thing is someone credible being suppressed is a credible person being suppressed And then when you see it 10 fold 100 people all of these people that are being suppressed if your idea is good Nobody has to be quiet and then it's gonna catch on its own Also the the counter the counter to that is if your idea is bad You can't just force it through people are gonna figure it out eventually They're gonna realize eventually if you keep calling this stuff horse -paced veterinary medicine and people are gonna find out oh wait a minute Actually won the Nobel Prize the the inventor of it for humans for use in humans Yeah, oh actually It's on the world health organization list of essential medicines actually It's been prescribed billions not millions billions of times like what the fuck is going on where you're saying this is horse -paced 50 plus 100 years It's been around quite a long time and it has a incredible safety profile Which was the wildest thing about them going all in and calling it horse -paced because like You are doing this at the expense of your credibility for people who just want short -term profits and you're you're killing your business Your business is people want to believe you when you're talking about the news and now they don't yeah They don't or something really stupid.

2:36:17Well, you could have just ignored me You didn't have to do that you could have just ignored me. Yeah, you probably would have had very little effect But then my video probably would have had very little effect people probably wouldn't believe me All yeah, Betty feels like shit and he's lying that would have been fine Yeah, but instead they went all in and too many people were paying attention to it And by that time too many people had already had covid and gotten over it and going yeah What the fuck is going on and then there was the whole thing where they were saying you had to get vaccinated even if you had Suffered from covid and recovered or you had natural immunity that was proven to be seven times stronger It was a pure psy op yeah, so we're in the big thing there was When I when I can make fun of Joe Rogan and like I can shame Joe Rogan If I could do that to you one of the one of the more popular guys in the country Especially when it comes to media then I can I can I can just make that a trickle -down Compliance effect yeah, I can get millions of people to comply because if they're gonna do that to Rogan They're that might happen to me.

2:37:16Well, I'm sure it worked. I'm sure it worked I'm sure a lot of people complied after they saw that they saw those attacks And you know, I met a lot of people that would accuse me of spreading misinformation like what did I say tell me what I said Yeah, what was misinformation? What was wrong? They can't even tell you they didn't even know what they were just like saying something because you were there Like they felt like they had to say that it was a fascinating time and What's interesting is coming out of that now, you know the country coming out of that now I think people are way more skeptical Way more skeptical believing the media and way more skeptical believing the government way more skeptical I think that was a huge mistake for short -term profits I think they still would have made a ton of money a lot of people are scared they would have taken it anyway They lied about all the fucking studies anyway.

2:38:06They they were doing well They but they sacrificed their ability to do this in the future. Yeah They gave their hand I don't know who said this quote man, but It's I think it's the best quote about societies like a society that grows is when men and it's an old quote But men plant trees whose shade they will never enjoy Hmm Thinking about the future and not this this one little spike in profit and that's when a society flourishes When we're when we're doing that kind of stuff. Well, I think it's essentially a symptom of a system that's been captured right? It's the media works for them because they support the media financially, you know Callie means is talked about this.

2:38:53Mm -hmm that they reason why they sponsor So many Television shows is not that they want to sell more drugs. It's to keep those shows from criticizing them That's terrifying. It is terrifying. It's terrifying that it's effective and it works and that we're One of only two countries on earth that allows them to advertise pharmaceutical drugs. Yeah, because we know the commercials are Science I mean, I mean when you see that lady and she's dancing with her daughter in the field and they're spending Around circles and now she's happy and everything's great, but you're fucking depressed and you're at home You're like oh, I want the music to play.

2:39:34I want to be dancing in the field I want to be at the cookout with all the fellows having a good old time. I can't do that with my psoriasis Yeah, I can't do that with whatever I'm on. What's whatever's wrong with me? Give me give me what you got and get me into that commercial Yeah It's effective. It's very effective. They've been doing this for a long time and they've got a playbook written by Edward Bernays of all people wrote this book and the books go crystallizing public opinion and he and you can see it in every one of these operations and it's a short book You can read it in like two hours Every one of these things follows that playbook of syops which makes sense why he would change the name of the department award to the department of defense Yeah, like it's a way more palatable.

2:40:16Yeah, and he's also the reason that bacon became part of American breakfast Well kudos to him for that. Yeah, that was a good move. Yeah That's pretty solid. It funny. He was Sigmund Freud's nephew. Whoa Yeah, one of they did coke together the The father of propaganda is Sigmund Freud's relative nephew. That's crazy. Sigmund Freud helped raise this guy So did you read his book? Oh, yeah. Yeah. What does it say in there? So essentially it is it's capturing a mass public attention and making the desired outcome about identity belonging and being part of a tribe so to give you an example Virginia Slim's hired him To say like hey, it's just men that are smoking our cigarettes And he's like yeah, well woman need to smoke.

2:41:10We want woman to smoke. I'm like, yeah, let's do it So he launches this thing called torches of freedom. Are you familiar with this? Yeah, you were telling me about it. Oh my god Just bring a photo of this if you can because it's I'm getting excited about this Um Just these people were compromised in such a crazy way. So he says women are told not to smoke So he goes against All of the stuff at at the beginning women are told not to smoke everybody tells you you can't smoke in public This is about women's rights has nothing to do with cigarettes so He organized this massive women's right government an ancient prejudice has been removed Isn't it just look at the the fucking chain American intelligence Look at that the chain says American intelligence around the wrist lucky strike cigarettes That's so weird.

2:42:06I'm sorry. Yeah, I wouldn't just bring it to you slums. It's big to back Oh There's a picture of the torches of freedom. How can I want a lady right there while you're cursor Keep a slender figure that one believe in yourself It's updated me. I don't know is it is it fake that it seems like it the fonts totally different meme fun Don't test one brand alone compare them all Yeah, so they can't advertise cigarettes anymore, right? Is that the rule? Not on TV. I don't know can they do it in magazines? Can they still remember the Marbrill man? Did he die cancer? I don't know by his magazines remember the Marbrill man.

2:42:42Yeah, fucking everybody wanted to be that dude. Yeah He's like the original John Dotton denim jacket. Yeah out there on the range. Look at all rugged. I wish I was him, you know So they could add a restricted in magazines the United States, but there's still president some magazines So like federal law limits tobacco advertising in magazines and on billboards However, tobacco companies can advertise in magazines that have at least 85 % adult readers. Oh, so porn So it's like playboy, right? It's mostly adults mostly adults US cigarette Joe. Yeah, what is this time? US cigarette giant starts advertising again in magazines millions of young readers.

2:43:25Oh 2013. Oh, that's Britain Yeah So I mean, do you think advertising should be legal? It's a weird thing, right? I think about sometimes when I read my Spotify ads Which is why I don't I say no to a lot of things that want to advertise like some things come across and wait Well, what is that? What is that? Is that real? Is that is that legit? Is this funky? Is that a good product? Is this is anything? I would every this sounds like bullshit You know, so I want to make sure is this something that I would use? Is this something legitimate? Because advertising is kind of creepy But but it's not if it's cool like if you're doing an ad for Corvette zr1 I could do an ad for a zr1.

2:44:09I'll tell you that fucking things this shit It's amazing like you should know that if you get in one of those things and drive it will be fucking incredible That's real like it's a solid product. It's a real thing like I could feel good about that ad Because I know that's a real awesome piece of engineering and And technology that they've created. Yeah, but if it's not like if you're trying to convince people Some shady shit. Yeah, it's tricky and that's the thing like everybody wants to regulate or deregulate things like let's make This die illegal But you're not you can't regulate health anymore than you can regulate morality It's like when they made alcohol legal that everybody just went into right so instead of making you have to inform the public instead of Restrict them like you're not gonna regulate Morality and good decisions and it just won't happen you have to get like we have to stand on freedom and then educate like Maybe there needs to be a cigarette warning label and like whatever's putting these die and stuff like which I'm not educated on But all this like chemicals and stuff in the foods may need a label instead of a regulation.

2:45:17Right So maybe that's that's the ticket. I don't think there's a right answer. It's like so many of these issues There's no right answer about everything. I mean did the ads on cigarettes where they show like make -hawks cancer And make -hawks a little birth. But did that even put a dent in the amount of people that smoke cigarettes? No, but it made a It may have but it made a better informed public like at least you knew it. Yeah, you're doing you're willingly now taking the poison right Right And you should be able to just like you should be able to eat junk food like when people talk about like getting rid of Doritos Or making them change the thing like hey hold up Doritos as they are are fucking amazing.

2:45:57Just don't eat them every day stupid You should eat them like knowing this is just mouth pleasure. I'm gonna. Yeah Have some fucking delicious cool ranch Doritos. They're not good for you Yeah, I'm not pretend to be good for you. You're not supposed to eat them for nutrition dumbass This is like mouth recreation. That's what that is. Yeah, it's not really food. Are you gonna feel like shit afterwards? Yeah, if you eat the whole bag are you gonna get sick? Well if you eat them every day all day You'll get sick don't do that Have them every now and then you're watching a movie open up bag of Doritos.

2:46:28What's the big fucking deal? Not a big deal. No, I don't think it's gonna happen if you make it illegal It's that'll just slap a label on it says for external use only Right, but it's just one of those things was like I don't think you should tell people they can't have things that aren't healthy for them Because there's a lot of things like cookies and cake and shit. It's just not fucking healthy for you Are you gonna kill the baking industry like that's dumb? That doesn't make any sense to me like you should just know what you're doing You should and unfortunately a lot of people don't a lot of people aren't very educated as far as food Give you a throat of vacation Smoke a fresh cigarette cam unfiltered camels.

2:47:09They're fucking the worst Oh my god. Did you see that the second paragraph of that what no, what did I say it said there's a peppery stuff in other Tobacco's that stays in your throat. Oh It's the peppery dust left in tobacco by inefficient cleaning methods. It makes you cough They're actually advertising the the cellophane on the pack to keep us keeping it more fresh. Of course it is Jamie The humanore pack is no stale crumbly parched tobacco's the fine Turkish and mild domestic Tobacco's of which camels are blended come to you in prime factory fresh condition thanks to the humanore pack Let's basically stop the last one give your throat of vacations switch to camels for just one day then leave them if you can Sounds like Frito lace.

2:47:55Yeah, you can't eat just one Opti stop all stuff Is Pringles? There's a mess both on there a lot of them you bet you can't eat just one. Yeah, they're good They're good. Don't eat them every day stupid One of these but if they take fucking potato chips off a shelf if they take ruffles off the shelf I'm gonna be pissed RFK All right leave all that garbage up there leave coca coca up there let them have it You can't regulate good decisions. No, but you just know what you're doing But if you know what you're doing you take care yourself. It's not bad to have cake every now and then yeah a little bit of cake I completely agree But there's a lot of value in what you are teaching and what you're explaining to people and I think if more people understand How psychological manipulation is used they'll be less vulnerable yeah to it And I think one of the things that the first things that we teach people is called the firewall illusion So like if you went to best by today and like picked up a laptop and I was like Joe you should get the Anti -viral or whatever software there and you's like no, I don't believe in viruses.

2:49:02I'm immune to it That is that's a problem So if you believe you can't be persuaded by these things if you believe that social media can't can't persuade doesn't work on me Bro, you are the suggestible person yeah, like your brain versus a one trillion dollar computer You're going to lose I'm going to lose and I can spot all of the things and I'm still gonna lose What do you think is the biggest impact in terms of social media on the way people think Refraising with the like social media obviously is having some sort of psychological manipulation on people What do you think the biggest impact that's having on people other than the theft of your time tribal confusion So I get to automatically I don't have to hack your brain.

2:49:50I don't have to convince you of anything All I have to do is tell you a whole shitload of people believe this one thing And all that is it may not get you to keel over right away But it gets you to say wow. It's it's starting to become a pretty popular idea I'm going to start to entertain it might start entertaining that So technologies outpaced our brains ability to adapt period We cannot adapt our brains are we're haven't changed in 200 ,000 years If I can trick the mammal part of your brain that doesn't even speak English Not even English So all I have to do is get the human part of your brain to translate what I'm seeing what you're seeing on the phone into an image And your mammalian brain and think that there is it's brand new something weird that you're not haven't seen before like I don't have Is that sound familiar on social media sure weird unusual.

2:50:37Oh, yeah novelty generates focus Then there's an authority because you're thinking a lot there this thing has 97 ,000 likes in the last hour or whatever authority tribe tribe is there we it's built into the likes and then a lot of bots in the comments that agree with it Yeah chime in and yeah, I can't believe he's doing this what an ausis Yeah, yeah, I've got I've got a hold I've put a leash around your mammalian brain And people don't realize how fast it happens How fast that stuff can happen But what do you think like if I'm doing if I'm having you on social media for 16 hours a day for which is like I think 11 hours It's like a common number for people for us kids especially if I've got you for 16 hours With advanced algorithms and technology designed to manipulate you specifically And in 1972 they could talk someone to murder in 45 minutes If you just imagine What's possible and know that governments are utilizing that that so It's not just people's opinions and it's not just groups of people that are trying to convince other people to think the way they think It's actual governments that are involved In trying to manipulate narratives.

2:51:54Yeah And it's if you and if you're thinking it's a left and a right issue That's also you may be a victim Yeah, that's a big one. It's not this us versus them shit is nonsense most people aren't even left or right Well, so you would just have a conglomeration of opinions that they've sort of accepted as their own. Yeah And I mean Jfk got killed for say and stuff like that like it's not left. It's not right. Let's bring this together Let's in corruption all of these plans that we're gonna release all these files all these documents I'm not that you probably you've had experts on here about that stuff.

2:52:28Mm -hmm Well, I don't know what's going on and we won't know really until these files actually get released and what's gonna be in them What the fuck are they what is it gonna say we did it when is that gonna happen do you know? I don't know cash betels in you know See how to do it. We'll see he apparently wants to I mean I think there's probably a lot of sorting through to figure out what to say and how to say it and what to release I feel like they should just release it all let the internet hounds Go at it. Let them figure out they're the best at it anyway Yeah, the most psychotic. They'll fucking they'll be working 16 hours a day until they figure it all out.

2:53:01Yeah, you know So let me tell you when it when it comes to all these beliefs formation I'll tell you the formula for hypnosis. Okay, and this and I don't think anybody's ever said this I've never said it out loud not even in my training It's enhanced level of focus and then micro compliances So like if I'm uh, have you seen the street performers that would hypnotize somebody in a bar or like you know Like to do something silly or maybe they're helping them So the first step is like if I'm hypnotizing you and it's in a social setting The first couple of steps are all right come over here now stand to the left now move your legs just a little bit further Now spread them further apart so you have some balance all right Just make sure you have some range of motion go ahead and put your arms out on None of those are meaningful right.

2:53:43They're all meaningless all I'm doing is get you to comply comply comply comply comply And that's just the first like 30 seconds. I've got you to comply with me 15 times. We haven't even started the hypnosis thing yet And so it's just you're you're not aware that you're becoming compliant You just think I'm going through some motions But it's just hijacking the mammal brain. Yeah, so it's compliance compliance and then it's like We go ahead and stay over there. I want you to look at that light up there And we're just focused on that light up there and just let everything go So it's just a lot of focus right and I can and they'll say something like I can already tell I've been doing this for 20 years You're going to be really good at this and everything's going to be just fine You'll be able to hear my voice the whole time.

2:54:26It's not a coma. You'll be able to stand and maintain perfect balance. You'll be completely okay Authority Yeah, and no matter what happens you're going to walk out of this a better person everybody's going to respect you more and and I'll frame it as like Us hypnotists call the ability to go into hypnosis unconscious intelligence But I'll only say that if you're an intelligence person So if you're a significant driven person, I'll say we call this unconscious power This ability to go into hypnosis. So I'll make it about your identity right away. Yeah And then there's an increase in dissociation like there's one part of you doing this one part of you doing that So this is like the induction where they're saying oh, I have it all the way down that can stuff But that's if you look at social media the final step of hypnosis is fractionation Out a slightly out of trance back in and every time you go back down into that trance you go with deeper You go if you put an EEG on someone's head and you I think you've had dr.

2:55:24David speak along Uh here before or you've at least had Darren Brown. Yeah, I've had Darren Brown um They've done studies on this like this fractionation process increases the amount of theta waves that are going on your brain Which is the theta waves of hypnosis? So from the age of one to eight give or take your brains in theta like 80 % of the day That's why we learn so fast and we we can do all that stuff So up and down up and down and if you go back the next time for anybody watching this the next time you start scrolling through social media I want you to watch how that it's gonna peak a positive experience for two or three videos in a row And it's gonna start going downhill And it's gonna go back up and it's gonna go downhill and every ad that you see the algorithm doesn't do this on purpose The algorithm does it because it's effective every time you see an ad is gonna be it one of those down troughs They're not going to spike you up and have you feel good like with that Guy putting on the color glasses that was color blind and you can see and he's crying and all that They're not gonna show you an ad after that.

2:56:27They'll show you an ad at the bottom. It's every time And I don't think that's programmed into the algorithm I think the algorithm adapted because that is the effective way to do it. Jesus It's listen here's your book Behavior ops. This is a fat book dude. There's a lot going on in here. It's all indexed and This is available everywhere. Yeah, Amazon and my website What is the website in si. Dot university. All right. Well, thank you, man. It was very interesting fun fun conversation Appreciate you. All right. Bye everybody Yes