#2281 - Elon Musk

26:31So if you're handling the government like a business, you're going to have to go through all of these departments and do the exact same thing that you're doing with USA. So how do you, how does that scale up? Like how many people do you need to do something like that?

26:51Well, we started off with about 40 people, maybe 100 people. And really just going through doing very basic things here. It's as bad as Twitter was, the federal government as much was.

27:12So in the case of Twitter, it wasn't a profitable company. It was like basically a break even company. But at least it was break even. And it had to pass an audit. The federal government is not break even. It's literally losing $2 trillion a year. And it does not pass its audits. It fails its own audit. So like, you know, there's a case where. Like Senator Collins was telling me about how she should give the Navy $12 billion for more submarines, got no extra submarines. And then healthy hearing to say where the $12 billion go and they were like, we don't know. That was it. I mean, the basically stuff is so crazy.

27:56It's like only the federal government could get away with this level of waste of waste. It's mostly waste, it's mostly not for it's mostly waste. It's mostly just ridiculous things happening. Because they've been able to do it this way for so long. They become accustomed to it. Yeah, I mean, it's like Milton Friedman said, like, money is most poorly spent when you're spending someone else's money on people you don't know. How much are you going to care? Right. And that's the federal government. So they're spending someone else's money on people they don't know. Now, imagine any other business that was this badly run that complains when you want to check the books and audit it and go through all the decisions that have been made and go through all the ledgers and like, what did you do?

28:48Well, the people who are receiving the money want to keep receiving the money. Yeah. Yeah, clearly. Yes. But, you know, I mean, the reason I'm putting so much effort into this is that I think it is a very dire situation. It's not a, you know, it's an optional basically. So, yeah, yeah, America's going bankrupt. So that just can't happen. It's just bizarre to me that some people aren't willing to look at it correctly. They're not willing to see like how much chaos this is, how much waste and fraud there is, how much can be trimmed and how much, just because people have jobs doing bullshit doesn't mean your tax dollars should pay for this bullshit.

29:43Yes. But we found just with a basic search of the social security database that there were 20 million dead people mocked as a live. But were they getting money? Some of them were getting money. What percentage of them? It isn't clear. We're actually trying to run this grad. I was trying to get an answer before the show. So, what it looks like is that most of the fraud is not coming from social security payments directly. But because they're mocked as a live in the social security database that they can get then get disability, unemployment, sort of fake medical payments and other things, because they're mocked as a live in the social security database.

30:26So, it looks like the fraud is a bank shot essentially. They bank shot into social security. They just do an RU alive check and then get fraudulent payments from every other part of the government. Oh. And this exploits the fundamental weakness in the government is that the various government databases they don't talk to each other. They talk to each other very poorly in a very limited way. So, the way the system gets exploited is by taking advantage of the poor communication between the various databases in the government. Even an example of what's happening in say Treasury, which is improving rapidly, the main payments computer is called PAM.

31:18PAM is a counter, a payment account, a master of database, something like that. But you don't want to call it a PAM. That's responsible for almost five trillion dollars of payments a year, roughly a billion dollars an hour. And when we came there, we're looking at the PAM and it's like the payments have no, you could put a payment through with no payment categorization code and no description on the payment, like basically untraceable blank checks. This is the kind of thing that if it was done as a public company, the company would be immediately delisted and the executive team would be throwing in prison.

31:57But this is just normal at the government. So we said, okay, our recommendation to the Treasury and the Federal Reserve is like we need to make the payment categorization codes mandatory, not optional. And you need, there needs to be an explanation. We're not judging the quality of the explanation, but there should be some explanation for what this payment is for above nothing. That's a radical change to the system that is being implemented now. My guess is that probably saves a hundred billion a year. Jesus Christ. Rough water magnitude. Where was that money going? Well, so this is where you get into the sort of gray boundary between waste and fraud.

32:48If money is sent to a personal organization from the government and you didn't really deserve it, but the government still sent it to you. Is that waste or fraud?

33:04So, I mean, there's a lot of payments that were someone just approved the payment, but then that payment officer changed jobs or retired or died. And the payments just keep going. It's like if you forget to pay your gym membership or something like that. Right. Now imagine it's not the gym membership. He said your gym membership is twenty billion dollars a year or something. But they forgot to turn it off.

33:33That's happening at scale in the government. Jesus Christ. It's totally nuts. It's so insane. Yes, it's totally insane. So, what did you expect when you went in? Did you expect that it would be bad? I thought it would be bad, but I did not think it would be as bad as this. I mean, look, the good news is that it's a target rich environment for saving money. It's not like... It was a very well -run ship. It was very efficient. It would be hard to improve, but it's not efficient. So, therefore, it is actually relatively easy to improve. Let's just say it's not rocket science. I don't know rocket science.

34:21So, it's a lot of mundane things. And some of the things are so crazy that we didn't even know to ask about that because we just assumed... payments out of the Treasury computer would have a payment categorization code and they would have some explanatory note saying what the payments for. The idea that it would be just untraceable blank checks didn't occur to us at first. Jesus. So, anyway, just... This episode is brought to you by NetSuite. What does the future hold for business? Ask nine experts and you'll get ten answers. Bull market, bear market. It tells someone events at Crystal Ball over 41 ,000 businesses are future -proofing their operations with NetSuite by Oracle.

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35:55Speaking of opportunity, download the CFO's Guide to AI and Machine Learning for free at netsuite .com slash rogan. One of the things that accounts to this, there's this four -point something trillion dollars that's kind of they don't know where it went. I think that's probably a cumulative number. Yes. But yeah, if you add up... Do you remember that story, Jamie? What was this story? Well, almost what you said, there's like they just didn't have accounting for it, I think? Yeah, it was spent on legitimate things, don't worry. But we don't know what we spent it on. Well, I mean, how do you know that, obviously, one cannot say it's was spent legitimately if they don't know what it was spent on.

36:42That doesn't make any sense. This is such a fascinating time. Because with this setup, the way it is right now, with Trump back in, after all that happened to him, and with you there, and with RFK Jr. and Tulsi and Cash Patel, it's like, this is a wild time to find out what's really going on. That's like never happened before. This is nothing like the first term. No. The first term, he had a bunch of neocons in the cabinet, and there's a bunch of shady people that he didn't know, and he had a point all these different people, maybe he got some bad picks. Now he's had four years to stew on it. And with you guys all going through this, we're getting an understanding of the government that we've literally never had before.

37:30Yeah, this is a revolutionary cabinet. And maybe the most revolutionary cabinet since the first revolution. This is not a bunch of business as usual types. So this is why some of the standard confirmations are quite challenging. It's because when you put to try to appoint people who are going to change the system, the system doesn't want to let them through. But it's fascinating because it's like the vampires all out themselves. Like now everybody knows who the system is. Like if you're just lying openly about USAID and then they come and hear you talk on a podcast and explain what's really going on.

38:09Like he's starving mothers. There's mothers that can't get food. Totally false. That's all you're hearing. That's no one's talking in any of these mainstream liberal talk shows. No one is talking about all this fraud and waste. Yeah, because we're cutting off their graph machine. So that's what they're upset about. That's the real thing they're upset about. And if you'll want to know what Doge is cutting. And I want to be clear, these are cuts that Doge recommends to the department. And usually these recommendations are followed. But these are recommendations that are then confirmed by the department.

38:46You can see it line by line what Doge is done at Doge .gov. So whatever we do, we put on Doge .gov so you can see everything that is being done. And there's a tracker that shows how much money has been saved. Yeah. And you can look at each line item. And you know, the like a bunch of these sort of sort of fall after shows will say like, oh, it's a constitutional crisis blah blah. But what they won't do is point out which payments are wrong. Right. So my challenge to them is point out which payments are wrong. Yeah. Go through it. Which of these sort of wastelash fraud things are wrong? Which line?

39:23Explain that line to the public. They won't be able to. Right. Yeah, that's why you're not hearing any specifics. You're hearing no specifics. And those stories about mother's story. But we can name those specifics. Yeah. Line by line. And we got the receipts. And here's the other thing. If you post the receipts. And if you're only talking about the propaganda talking points and you're not talking about the very clear fraud and waste. Yeah. It's very obvious what you're doing. Yeah. You just gaslight. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. So exactly. Because we're just saying like, look, in fact, I've said we're going to make mistakes.

39:54We're not going to be perfect. So if we make a mistake, we'll quickly fix it. So we'll, we'll, we'll, yeah, we need to act fast. So stop wasting billions of dollars of taxpayer money. But if we make a mistake, we'll reverse it quickly. Right. You know, so. It's also this interesting narrative that you shouldn't have access to this social security information as if no one's had access to it before. Is it the Biden administration in 2023? Had, there was like 53 people. Some of them were students that had access to all this stuff. Yeah. As it is, there are tens of thousands of federal employees that have access already to the system.

40:40Anyone from doge has to go through the same vetting process that those federal employees went through. So there's not like some unvetted random situation. If, for example, there's a security clearance needed, the doge person has to have that same security clearance. So there's no reduction in security. But I mean, if obviously the vast numbers of social security numbers have leaked onto the internet, people have hacked the government systems multiple times. Fast amounts of public information has been hacked and and dumped onto the internet. So when there's a guy at the IRS that leaked half a million tax returns just a few years ago.

41:28On purpose? Yeah. For what reason? For political, he wanted to, I think he was trying to get a Trump and maybe me and a few others. So, but he still had like 500 ,000 tax returns. Like a few, like a lot of tax returns. Jesus Christ. Oh, I remember that story. Yeah, you can just read about it online. It's not, it's a real thing. So these are the narratives. That's the narrative that you shouldn't have access to social security. The other narrative is that starving people are going to die and women aren't going to be pregnant and not have nutrients for their babies. And that's all you're hearing.

42:14Yeah. Well, that's the, that's the only thing they can say, but they can't point to the line item. Right. And so they can't say like, well, this is the thing where, you know, the nutrients for pregnant mothers were stopped. They can't point at that because we didn't. Right. Is a lie. What's fascinating to me is how much the mainstream media is in line with the very specific talking points and how little, you don't have Fox News. Essentially, a Fox News on television. Like the only one that is pointing out the ridiculous fraud and waste. And, you know, I know you saw the Jeff Bezos thing in the Washington Post.

42:57They're going to stop all the wacky editorials and, and limit that stuff to, I think it was wealth and personal freedom or something along those lines. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I think it's, this kind of, I think it makes sense because he's just talking about the things, not the sort of, just talking about the opinion. The opinion pieces, yeah. Yeah. So the regular journalism stays the same. Well, it's a detriment to their business. I mean, you're seeing over and over again, people that just, they don't want to hear all this shit from these people anymore. It's like, you're, you're saying, it's almost like you're caught in an outdated version of the virus.

43:37And everybody else already has the immunity to that virus. Yeah. You know, like you need, you need a new mind virus. The one that you're pushing, it's like, it doesn't work anymore. It's too crazy. Yeah. It's, the whole thing is very crazy. I mean, the media is incredibly partisan. I mean, they're not, they're, they're taking, almost all the media is, you're left shifted. Yeah. So it's like, it's kind of weird. If you talk to somebody who gets older information from like what I call legacy media, they're living in a different world. Yeah. Then if they say I'm listening to, you know, your podcast or getting news from, from X or, you know, just, if it's like, it's, it's kind of wild.

44:27Like it is very wild. Like you told, it's, it's like they're living in an ultimate reality. Oh, there's a lot of people that I talk to that I have to go, where did you hear that? Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, like the Associated Press, which I call Associated Propaganda, the AP, you know, they, they ran an international news story saying that we, that those fired air traffic controllers. But we didn't fire any air traffic controllers at all. In fact, we're trying to hire air traffic controllers, not fire them. Yeah, I saw that. You made a tweet about it, right? Yeah. What do you call it now? Do you call it a post?

44:59Yeah, whatever. You can't call it a tweet though. Do you call it a tweet accidentally ever? I don't know the way. Listen to this. But like if you, if you, if you want, like let's say if somebody posts, if somebody puts up like, you know, two hour long video, that's not a tweet. Right. It's post. It's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. So, but I don't know how to over it. If people still want to call it a tweet, whatever. But you put a post about it to get back to it saying that if you, we need highly qualified air traffic controllers, if you retired, if you would consider doing it again, we could use you.

45:34Yes. So a lot of really qualified air traffic controllers were pushed out because of the I stuff. So, I mean, not to be blunt. I mean, a bunch of old white guys were pushed out.

45:50It's not cool. And so we have, there's a challenge shortage in air traffic control because of DEI and not being, not hiring people on merit, you know. Which is so crazy that that worked. I think we should not put the public safety at risk. No. You know, because of some demanded philosophy. So many made a post today about it in, in filtering the NSA. Did you see any of that? That was, what, I was in some gnarly stuff. Yeah, crazy. What they, they, they had started off is just like this sort of fringe thing. Yeah. And if you put me up, then it completely infiltrated the organization. Yeah. And they were spending all their time.

46:31It was like 400 people or something. And some like, some chat, sex chat room with like some extremely demanded stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I know I said it. I'll send it to you, Jamie. Because it's so cookie. You, you know what? This is the NSA. I thought the NSA was just all about like information and our partners. Like, spy on, you know, like if like, so there's a national threat or something. Yeah. I think this is exactly it. So she, more than 100 intelligence staffers will be fired over sexually explicit texts in NSA chat rooms. Gavard says. So, so top intelligence official told waters that the workers in question were brazen at using an NSA platform.

47:15Intended for professional use to conduct this kind of really, really horrific behavior. What is the behavior? What exactly? What does it, do they say in this article? Yeah. I think they will. Okay. It says employees who participate in the NSA's obscene pornographic and sexually explicit chat rooms. Your textiles at work. Well, it was all like DE, I mean, it was all like LBGTQ stuff. There was a lot of like transition stuff and yeah, I know I definitely saved it, but point is, it infiltrated the organization. It's not what they should be talking about at all. At all. Yeah, I'm supposed to be protecting the country.

47:59Right. And if you and people were talking about how they're saying half their time in these meetings and that they're just like constantly having to attend these things where they talk about these issues, like what are, what are you doing? Like if you have a problem with someone that's discriminatory, get rid of that person. That's it. It's, you, you, problems over. You've got someone who's homophobic in your business, they're openly homophobic. Yeah, you can't work here. You just, not cool. That's it. That's it. You don't have to have fucking meetings constantly promoting this. You're not going to change someone's opinion by narrating them over and over again.

48:34Yeah. I mean, work environment should be a professional environment where, you know, they're, they're, they're getting the job done that they're, you know, you know, being paid to do. There should be, you know, of course, obviously not supposed to be sort of getting paid for bizarre sex, sex, campaigns. It's just so fascinating that the virus is so strong that it made it into the NSA. Yes. And was, you would think those are some hardcore, and more, those seven, the CIA was in there too. Yeah, they were in there too, which is bananas. You would think, same thing like hard -nosed, like tough people doing hard work.

49:12Who can smile on you whenever they want? Yeah. Yeah. And get revenge on you whenever they want. Yeah. Pretty wild. Yeah. And, you know, they exist when the president leaves, they stay. People move around. You stay a part of the organization for your entire career. You're deeply entrenched in their system and how things work. And who's back to rub and who's, who's a bad guy? Who's a good guy? Who's on our side? Who's not? Yeah. That's scary, actually. Yeah. So... Was that what's taken so long with these Epstein files? Yeah, what's up with that? What is up with that? It was like... Yeah. It's like Lucy and the football with Charlie Brown, when she always pulls up football away.

50:02It's the same thing. It's like they keep telling us they're going to release a day one. Oh, day one. It was a serious case of no one's being arrested, Ophobia, you know. What the fuck is going on? What the fuck is going on? Also, there's this real fear that someone's destroying the evidence. And you keep hearing these stories, unsubstantiated stories of, you know, FBI... Where is it? ...evidence. I mean, the guy who has gone on. Like tons of videos and recordings. Yeah. I mean, he had all sorts of things. Right. Like, there's a mountain of evidence. Right. So, where is that mountain? Yeah, where is that mountain?

50:34And what would be the reason why they would agree? Like, there would have to be something in it for them to agree to not put it out. Right? Like, there has to be some sort of financial entanglements, some sort of relationship with the people that are on that list. Yeah. That they can provide a value that was big enough for you to not release it or to slow release it or to hope you can get away with like putting out some redacted files that don't show anything. This is only stage one. A whole bunch of redacted redacted ones. A whole bunch of redacted redacted ones. Only stage one, don't worry. The real stuff's coming.

51:09Like, that doesn't make any sense. Like, why wouldn't you just release it all? Like, what could possibly be... Well, what's protecting in there? I mean, I think I've got probably the same information that... I mean, I'm just reading what's the latest thing on the ex... You know, I'm just looking at my ex -feeds. And I'm like... Yeah. It's a real page -turner. Um... I thought we were going to get some revelations today. I was like, big binders full of stuff. Yeah. It's going to be something in there. Well, there was some... All those people that were given a copy of it, they were all like waving at something.

51:40Yeah, that's that. They got the Willy Wonka ticket. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. And what happened? Nothing. Nothing. So... I think Laura Lumer released it online. This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery. Actually, have some Buffalo Trace cigars here. They just sent me. One of the world's most award -winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years, made as a tribute to the rugged, free -spirited pioneers who blaze their own trail to new frontiers. It embodies the perfectly untamed spirit of independence. It defines what an award -winning bourbon should be.

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53:16Right. Yes, she's not very pleased about this. Does anybody find anything in there that's interesting? No, it's all old stuff from 2015 and 2012. Okay, what the fuck is going on? Apparently, they discovered a whole bunch of stuff at the southern district of New York. Right. I'm like, I think your pan beyond bondies is actually great and cash -petal are great, but they're like, they just got there. They're in a hostile environment. They're not in a friendly environment.

53:52It's like if you suddenly got put in a captain of a ship, but the crew was previously your enemy. The entire crew was previously your enemy. And you're telling them, give me evidence. The crew just want to give me the evidence. You guys are all crewed to your enemy. They were like, your mortal enemy is just a moment ago. You just got there. So, yeah, I think we've got to give the Tony General and you directly FBI a little bit of slack here because they literally just got there. I think so too, but hey, don't say you're going to release it on day one then. You shouldn't have said that. And don't say you got a big drop coming tomorrow, and that's some bullshit that's been around forever.

54:35It's disappointing. Yeah, where's the JFK files? Where are those? Yeah, let them go. Did they release anything on that front? I don't know. Let's go in on this. It can't be anything that's gotten to me yet. So, if nothing's gotten to me yet, it can't be significant. If this conspiracy evidence, someone's going to send it to you. Yeah, Tim does. 100%. 100%. Tim Dylan, Dave Smith, someone's going to send you the stuff. Yeah, so it hasn't been released yet. Yeah, you would find out. And here's the real question. Like, what could even be in there at this point that they haven't cleared out? If you've got paperwork from 1963, like, what is in there still?

55:12What is in there that could possibly be incriminating that supposedly Trump said that if you saw what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either. Okay, what the fuck is that? I haven't seen it. So, Cash Petal has. Yes. You said he's seen it all. Yeah. What can you just post it to his like ex account or something? I mean, I just, I mean, that sounds like an Elon move. I don't think he can. I mean, the director of FBI, I think he has to go through proper channels. And does he? He is the channel. Yeah, but there's moves. Sounds like Trump. He's not like Trump. He needs an executive order. What about the storm?

55:51I am the storm. I mean, what channels? He is the channel. Well, again, imagine just getting to the hole or just getting to the deck of the ship and you're the captain. And now you have to figure out who's running things, who's doing this, what where is everything? Yeah. Yeah. Just getting anything done. Like I said, you're just joined as captain of a ship of where the crew ate your guts. Yeah. Where you're enemy? Yeah. They were you enemy. They're wrongly opposed to anything you want to do. Yeah. And you're trying to get the mortars. And you're trying to expose them? Yeah, they don't want to be exposed.

56:31Right. You're literally people that are working there, probably a part of this problem. I mean, I was reading on X that like, Comies Daughter is like the lead prosecutor in Southern District of New York. Do you read that? Yes. And like, so obviously there's a bit of an entanglement there. A little bit. Like, what if there's something that, you know, makes puts her dad in a bad light? What is that exactly? You're a fucking shredder. Hit that delete button. He's been over time. Did you see General Flynn? He was on a podcast and he spoke directly to James Comey. Yeah. And he said, Jim, you're going to jail.

57:08And unless you give up someone deeper than you and you know who that is, you know who I'm talking about? Like, that is wild. Yeah. To think that the former director of the FBI might be really in that kind of deep shit. And then he really actually was doing some evil corrupt shit while he was running the FBI. I mean, it seems like this and very shady stuff that's been going on. It seems like it definitely happened in the 60s, right? Everybody kind of admits to that. The FBI killed black panthers. They did. They did a lot of shit. There's a lot of stuff that went on that we know the government did way back in the day.

57:47Yeah. Why don't we just date a dump of the files? Just go in there, take photos of all the papers, presumably paper and just post it online. And let's live the chose full way they make. Isn't presumably everyone involved in it? I mean, it's like filing cabinets somewhere. Right. Where is it? Where's the magic filing cabinet? How are they hiding it? Who's got access to it? Like this is what I was hoping. Day one. I was hoping. But obviously it's taken a lot longer than that. So I think part of it is like, you know, let's say you were made direct to the FBI. Okay. I might be able to. Yeah, that's what's crazy.

58:26Literally, you know, Dan Margino, what's he doing now? He's one of the big dogs of the FBI. But he has a legit guy. Yeah, he's a top guy. He's a sea of service guy. Yeah, legit guy. But people think of him as a Fox News guy, just like Pete Hegseth, same thing. They don't want to think about his distinguished military crew. They want to say, oh, that Fox News guy, Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. I mean, Dan's hardcore. I mean, if it's, if it's reasonably findable, I think he's going to find it. Yeah, this is the thing. Between him and Cash, I mean, like, I think they're going to get stuff out there.

58:54How crazy would it be if they couldn't though? How crazy would it be if they can't find anything? If it's that. Yeah. If everybody shuts their mouths, everybody covers their ass. Like an FBI computer. Or you type in the search. It's like with the basic mechanism here. Like it's either in a filing cabinet in a paper where it's like, you know, maybe there's like progressive levels of security. You're like, open this door. Oh, you got to have, do you have the passport this level? Yeah, you're like, the level unlocked. And there's a level unlocked. And it's like, they get in there and there's a black and it's finally like, like, laptop.

59:26Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't even locked up. You got to only plug it in. It's in a skiff. Yeah, this is why, like, I think like, tour of Fort Knox would be awesome. Like a live tour of Fort Knox, we can actually see it's like, is the cold there or not? They say it is. It's real. Is it real? Or did somebody spray paint some lead, you know? Imagine if it's not. Imagine if it's not all there, like some of it's missing. Where'd it go? What if a lot of it's missing? What if like half of it's missing? I mean, how do we even know? They said the last time they let someone look at it was your decades ago.

59:57Yeah. Well, the last, I believe the last formal audit was in the 50s. So I'm like, okay. Oh, my God. Just think about all the things that you've been doing. Maybe. Yeah. Think about all the other stuff that you pointed out. All the checks that just go out, the NGO payments, the Social Security people. Think about all just all that. Now apply that to the gold. Absolutely. I just want to emphasize the sheer madness of the government. It's just because they have like magic money computers. The checks never bounce from the federal government. Like you say you don't have the normal corrective mechanism that you'd have for a company or for an individual.

1:00:37The checks just always clear. The net result is inflation, which is effectively attacks on everyone. But you know, like the defense department hasn't passed an audit in, I don't know, how many years? Seven years. Yeah. I mean, exactly. So it's like you have to be frigging Chuck Norris. Like only Chuck Norris could get the defense department to pass an audit, you know, type of thing. That's the level of skill you need, you know. Well, that's what someone's saying. If you bring it back to the idea that it's a business. Well, yeah. This would never be tolerated in any kind of functional business.

1:01:09Exactly. So, you know, depending on what, well, like they're accounting error, like the stuff that they lose in the couch cushions is like $20, $30 billion a year. They just don't know where it went. It's gone. We're going to go, and it's gone. It's so insane. It's insane. It's so insane. So that's why I said, like even simple things, like just requiring that the outgoing payments for the Treasury computer have a payment code and a comment of what the payment is about. And someone to call about the payment, I think we'll have a very powerful effect in stuffing wastefuls outflows and stuffing fraud.

1:01:54Yeah. And here's another way to look at this. Imagine if some, there are people like you and the doge team out there in the world. Imagine if one of those works for an organization like USAID or any other organization and has this understanding of how much fuckery is involved. But they have evil intentions. And they're entwined in the system for decades and decades and they've built a career and all the entanglement that come in. And they start moving shit around. You could probably do it easy. It sounds like the way you've laid it out. If you were a career person who's in there forever, who knew how everything works, and you were very clever, you could make some shit happen.

1:02:39And you could probably do it in conjunction with some people that you know that are forming an NGO. Hey, let's all work together. Yeah. And this is the resistance that you're facing. Yeah. I think it's the biggest scam of all time. This is not something you ever saw. Like the biggest scam of all time ever. Of human history. If human history is. Wow. I think you're right. Yeah. I think what else could be there? A trillion dollar scam. There's never been a trillion dollar scam. You know. Now this is not something that you ever set out to do. You didn't have this as a career aspiration. No. This is the most absurd outcome I can possibly imagine actually.

1:03:25Also, like Doge started as sort of a meme coin. It was like a joke. Yeah. Cryptocurrency. It's involving memes and dogs. And. Did you so funny that the letters won being perfect? Yeah. Well, actually, I was originally going to quote the government efficiency commission, which is very boring name. And then people online would know it needs to be the department of government efficiency. And I was like, you know what, you're right. Of course. Of course. Of course. I mean, it's more evidence of the simulation. Totally. That little. Like she really knows. Like on mascot is a cute dog. And it's a meme coin.

1:04:05The meme coin is probably worth a lot of money right now, right? Like every time a tweet about it, it probably shoots up. Yeah. The whole meme coin thing is. But. Yeah. It is so bananas that people dump real money into these coins. And then you could just pump up a cell. Like a casino or something. Yeah, it's totally. And people just do one of the greater full theory and musical chairs and whoever's like the last to sit down, lives and stuff. And somehow or another, it's still legal. Like that's that's. I mean, things like I think not too many people. I mean, I mean, it's sort of like you go to the casino.

1:04:41Like you, if you expect to win the casino, you're being a fool. Right. So I think if you expect to win at meme coins, you're being, it's not, you're being foolish. Yeah. Yeah. But you're not going to win at meme coins. It's like it's a bit of, if you want, like don't sink your life savings into a meme coin. No, but you can gamble a little and you can ride waves and win a little and lose a little. If you want to have some fun, yeah. And don't come then, you know, have play with me and coins. But if you put your families, if you put your families well, in the hot tool coin thing, bold and outrageous.

1:05:18Don't bet the fall on a meme coin. The weird one is the pump and dumps. Like the people, people get it all the time. Yeah. And people get shocked that so many pump and dumps. Like what is, what are you doing? Did you, like I was hoping to dump, I was hoping to make all the money out of this. I can't believe they got me. Like, yeah. It's just weird that it's legal still. I mean, casino is illegal. Yeah. And it is like, just lose money at casino. Yeah. But you can't record casino like a pump and dump. You could record pump and dump. You know, yeah, I guess so. Like you could run a real pyramid scheme.

1:05:59I mean, the government's one big pyramid scheme if you ask me. Yeah, well, you could tell me something. Social security is the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time. We'll explain that. Oh, so, well, people pay into social security. And the money goes out of social security immediately. But the obligation for social security is your entire retirement career. So you're paying with the kind of people. You're paying, like if you look at the future obligations of social security, it far exceeds the tax revenue. If you've ever looked at the dead clock? Yes. Okay. There's our present day debt. But then there's our future obligations.

1:06:47So when you look at the future obligations of social security, the actual national debt is like double what people think it is. Because of the future obligations.

1:07:01So basically, people are living way longer than expected. And there are fewer babies being born. So you have more people who are retired and get that live for a long time and get retirement payments. So the future obligations. So how have a bad financial situation is right now for the federal government? It'll be much worse in the future. The risk of being a buzzkill here. Did you see the benefits we got right now? Because if it's bad now, it's going to be much worse in the future. There was an interview with this one who was a whistleblower. Did we ever find out if that was true? There's so many whistles being blown.

1:07:39It's hard to keep track. A lot of whistles. But this one lady. It was only in one state. It was very specific and simply believe. But it was using social security money, correct? That was her allegation. So what she was alleging was that she was in charge of turning illegal immigrants into clients. Oh yeah. That's what they would call them. And that she would go to them and try to ask them, do you have a headache? Do you have back problems? If you do, now you can be permanently disabled. You can permanent disability. So you get social security for life. Yes. Not just social security, but disability, which is even more.

1:08:14Right. And you get them on the taxpayer doll right away, the moment they're illegal aliens. Yes. Oh, so if I was to say, like, what's at the heart of the sort of, like, why is the Democrat propaganda machine so fired up to destroy me? That's the main reason. The main reason is that, is that entitlements fraud that includes like social security, disability, Medicaid entitlements fraud for illegal aliens is what is serving as a gigantic magnetic force to pull people in from all around the world and keep them here. Like basically, if you pay people at a standard of living that is above 90 % of earth, then you have a very powerful incentive for 90 % of earth to come here and to stay here.

1:09:13But if you end the illegal alien fraud, then you turn off that magnet and they leave. And they stop coming and the ones that are here, many of them will simply leave. And if that happens, they will lose a massive number of Democratic voters. And if it didn't happen, they would turn those people into voters. Correct. Which they were trying to do. They are already turning them in. So in the New York state, illegal aliens can already vote in state and city elections. A lot of people don't know that. I mean, they try to fight them and they try to stop that. But it's currently, I think it's like 600 ,000 are registered to vote illegal aliens in New York.

1:09:58That is wild. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you look at say, you know, if FEMA, like the agency that was paying for illegal aliens to stay at luxury hotels in New York, was FEMA. That's an agency that's meant to support Americans in distress from natural disasters, was paying for luxury hotels for illegals in New York. It's true. Yeah. That's a fact. They literally, like when we stoff that payment, we start all those money because that's obviously an insane way to spend taxpayer money. The New York sued the government to get the money. So you can just look at their lawsuit. They were sending that money even after President Trump signed an executive order saying it needs to stop.

1:10:57They still press send on $80 million to luxury hotels in New York. Your tax money went to pay for legal aliens in luxury hotels in New York from an agency that is meant to help Americans in distress from natural disasters. Right. Now it likes to know how much. And I would like to know how much they spend on North Carolina and how much they spend on Maui. Yes, exactly. What's actually happening is they're buying voters. That's really what's happening. It's like a giant voter board scam. They're importing voters. And it's really just a matter of time. So like a lot of people have trouble believing this.

1:11:41But if you the more you look at it, the more you will realize just how much of a problem this is and how it's not just real. It is. It is an attempt to destroy democracy in America. That's what it in my view is what it really is. Like if you take the sort of seven swing states, like often the margin of victory there is like maybe 20 ,000 votes. If you put 200 ,000 illegals in there and they have like a 80 % likelihood of voting them. And it's only a matter of time before they become citizens. Then those swing states will not be swing states in the future. And if they are not swing states, we'll be a permanent one party state country.

1:12:32Permanent, a deep blue socialist state. That's what America will become. And that was the game plan. That was that was the game plan that is still the game plan. And so they almost succeeded. If the machine of which the Kamala puppet was the representation had won, that's what would have happened. The reason I went so hardcore for Trump was because to me this was a fork in the road. It was very like a very obvious fork in the road. If they had another four years, they would legalize enough illegals in the swing states to make the swing states not swing states. They would just be blue states. Then they would win the presidential, they would win the House, the Senate and the presidency.

1:13:27They would then make district DC into a state, maybe Puerto Rico get four extra senators, pack the Supreme Court. So then you'll have the House, Judiciary, Senate and presidency, all blue. And then they will keep importing more illegals to cement that outcome. Basically what happened in California?

1:13:54Jesus Christ. It would have been the end. That's why I went so hardcore for Trump. It was otherwise been the end. And that's why the Democrat machine is so intent on destroying me. It's just so fascinating that people can't see this. I mean, I invite people to do their research. The more they do their research, the more they will see what I'm saying is absolutely true. It's like just do the research. It's such a bad idea even for the Democrats, which is what they don't understand. It's not ultimately going to work out. No, it's the same people. It's just they're doing it under the guys that they're the kind, compassionate, progressive people.

1:14:42But the same outcome takes place. It's just about control. They probably institute some central bank digital currency and some social credit score system. And then you talk to them. Yeah, of course. Well, that was the big fear coming into this election. That if they can't censor things like, we talked about it before, but there was two major forks in the road. The big one was Trump didn't get shot. The other big one was you by Twitter. And if those two things don't happen, the whole world looks different. Yes. Yeah, we don't want to be on that timeline. No, we don't want to have only one side represented because guess what?

1:15:20They will hijack that side, whatever it is. They will hijack that side and use it for money and control. And that's what it's all about. It's not about good people versus bad people. It's a bullshit shell game. Yeah. I think these things are actually easy to understand if you look at basic incentives. The basic incentive here is the more legal that the Democrats can bring in, the more likely they are to win. So that's what they're going to do. That's what they have been doing. And it worked in California. California is super majority, damn. And look at all the companies that are leaving California.

1:15:56Yeah. I mean, in an out just announced they're leaving California. They move in a ton of C. Yeah. So, and California made healthcare free for illegals as of last year. So, and that's obviously that's a gigantic magnet for more illegals. And this is not a thing you can solve simply with money because what happens is you simply have more patients than a doctor can possibly see. And you can't just, you know, make doctors out of nothing. Like the, so some people like, oh, it's just a money thing. No, it takes a long time for somebody to become a doctor, you know, the 30 years. And so what actually happens in California is that there are too many patients for the doctors to see.

1:16:48So then the average citizen in California suffers as a result. Now, the elite in California are fine because they have private doctors. You know, they can, they can just pay for the best doctors. So the elite in California are doing fine. But your average citizen in California is not doing fine. And the tax burden for healthcare for illegals was supposed to be three billion. I think they're now estimated to nine billion. But that number will scale to infinity, basically. It's like, why not? Why not, if you, if you need any operation at all, come to California and have it be free from anywhere in the earth.

1:17:29And the people that want to look at it in the most charitable way, they say, oh, well, these people are hard working good people. They're the backbone of our city. And they should have access to all the things that we have access to. And I just don't think they understand that it's a political pawn. I don't think they understand the political game. This is not done for compassion and kindness. No. This is just done to ensure that it stays blue. Correct. And it's essentially a bribery with your tax dollars. Yes. This is why the dams will not even deport criminals. Yeah. Because every criminal deported is a lost vote.

1:18:10So even if somebody is an illegal with a criminal record and commits crime in America, they are still, still we're not being deported. And then on top of that, California made it actually illegal to ask for ID when people vote. Yes. California and New York, you are not allowed to show your ID when you vote. I just want to be clear, so everyone understands this. In California and New York, you are not allowed to show your ID even if you want to. Right. Why would that ever be a good idea? I mean, if you're trying to do, if you're trying to do, if you're trying to facilitate fraud and elections, it's a great idea.

1:18:53That's the only reason. Yes. There's no other reason logically why that would be a good idea. It's for fraud. It's like, wake up, people. Wake up. Hello. Like, let's say you want to commit fraud. What are the things you would do? Yeah, you would say you don't need ID and you can mail in your ballot. And we'll give you free healthcare. Yes. Stay here. Yes. Stay here. I know it's on fire, but stay here. I mean, in this case, it being on fire is not just a metaphor in California. Okay. It's just like, it's goddamn, entire neighborhood is burning down. It's just once they allowed people to vote that are not legal in California.

1:19:34Once you, if you're, if you're going to do that, it's, it's over. Exactly. There's, there's no coming back from that. The numbers are just, no, people are so indoctrinated too. There's so many people that no matter what, they think voting Republican means you're an asshole. Yes. And they won't do it. They won't do it. They'll put their fucking rainbow flag on their porch and they'll just ride it right into the beach. Civilizational suicide. Yeah. Right to the rocks. Bang. Crash the boat. I mean, there's a guy who posts an ex who's great, God's, God's side. Yeah. He's trying to run. He's great.

1:20:07He's great. Yeah, he's awesome. Yeah. It's great. And he talks about, you know, basically suicidal empathy. Mm -hmm. Like, if there's like, there's so much empathy that you actually suicide yourself. Yeah. So that we've got civilizational suicidal empathy going on. And it's like, I believe in empathy. Like, I think you should care about other people, but you need to have empathy for civilization as a whole and not commit to a civilizational suicide. Also, don't let someone use your empathy against you so they can completely control your state. And then do it insanely bad job of managing it and never get removed.

1:20:45There's the fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy. The empathy exploit. It's exploiting a bug in Western civilization, which is the empathy response. So I think empathy is good, but you need to think it through and not just be programmed like a robot. Right. Understand when empathy has been actually used as a tool. Yes. It's a weaponized empathy is the issue. Yeah. Weaponized empathy. And, yeah. And it's also the rigid adherence to that liberal ideology. Like you can't switch sides over there. Like California, if you're a part of that whole tech, Hollywood, entertainment, any of those circles, you're on the left.

1:21:40Like almost holy. Almost completely. It's borderline illegal to be a Republican in California. In San Francisco or LA, it's borderline illegal to be a Republican. We certainly shunned. No, I look, I mean, in San Francisco, you could shoot heroin while taking a dump on the mayor's car in front of City Hall. Okay. And nothing would happen to you. But if you walk down the street with a mega hat, you're going to get attacked. It's insane. Yeah. It's insane. It's also so or well -earned that a hat that says make America great again would cause people to have a violent reaction. Like aren't you American?

1:22:24Wouldn't just, just as a whole, like the saying, wouldn't that be a good thing for everyone? Make America great again. Yes. But because it's attached to Donald Trump and that red hat, you'll get maced for wearing that red hat. They will make America worse by beating you. So it's like it's an evil thing they're doing, a violent assault in America because you want to make America great again. I mean, it's like a scene in a book. It doesn't, it doesn't seem like it could be that ridiculous. Like remember when all lives matter would get you fired? Which is insane. Insane. People got fired because they said all lives matter.

1:23:06Which is a very reasonable thing to say. How reasonable is that? Yes. That's essentially saying everybody matters. That's not what you're saying. That's not what you were supposed to say. You had to say black lives matter. Which of course they do if you say all lives matter. Everybody matters. But the idea of being a colorblind society was completely abandoned somewhere around 2012 -ish. Yeah. I mean, I sort of can trace it to when did the gun emoji get nerfed? You know, when did it turn into a squirt gun? That was a couple of years ago. That was like 2016 I think. Was it? Yeah, we gave a squirt gun.

1:23:42Did you bring it back to X? Yeah, no, no, right now. If you use a gun emoji on X, the Apple, well, it says that it'd be a squirt gun and then the X app turns it back into a 1911. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, that's great. So you can actually, you know, have a 1911 gun. We were we were we were voted the Apple change inside the app. Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah, that's hilarious. That's that's that thing so offensive. The gun and then the pregnant man. Both of those got me. You mother fuckers. I mean, I like that meme of where it's like the people telling you that what you're hearing is this information or the same people that did the pregnant man emoji.

1:24:28Yes. Yeah. Think about that. Yeah. Well, also the same people that say a woman attacked a Tesla factory. Yeah. It's a dude to dude. Like really obvious dude. It's really big. Like a real dude. Yeah, mentally old dude with a wig on. Say that. Yes. Yeah, but NBC. I mean, looking at the picture and your little woman. Yeah, this is got a this is a dude with a strong jawline. Yeah. He's wearing woman face. That's a buff. That's a buff dude. That's a buff dude wearing woman face. Like that's not that's not that's not a one. Yeah. And then like saying what shot for disinformation? I'm like, what are you talking about?

1:25:11It's so crazy. It's bullshit. I mean, it's just more evidence of the virus though, right? Like it killed objectivity, killed reality and it demanded strict adherence or you were attacked. Yeah. Yeah. Any question of it with results in being ostracized? Do you like what kind of responsibility do you feel like knowing that if you didn't take over Twitter and turn it into X, if that didn't happen, like the I really think the world is a very different place right now. Like how long have you owned it for? Two couple years basically. Imagine a couple years of it being run the way it was run before and probably accelerating.

1:25:54I mean, my account would have been suspended long ago for sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, just for the disinformation. Yeah. It would have been trouble to never come back. Alex Jones would have definitely never been back. Definitely not. No.

1:26:15So yeah. Does that weigh on you? Like I would feel like that would be a fucking heavy responsibility. Yeah. I mean, I'm just trying to keep civilization going here for longer.

1:26:33So I think we at least want to build a city on Mars and become a multi -plant civilization which I think would be incredibly important in ensuring the long -term survival of civilization. Are you still rescuing those people that are stuck in the space station? Yeah, it's coming up in a couple of weeks I think. Whoa. They've been up there for how long Jamie they were supposed to be there for a couple days, right? Actually, probably four weeks. There's supposed to be there. They were supposed to be up there for like eight days. Yeah. And they've been up there for like eight months. So a little longer than expected.

1:27:14Fuck. Yeah. What is it going to be like for those people when they get back? They're going to be a wreck for a long time, right? Yeah. If you'd longer you stay up there, you get sort of in zero to get increased bone loss. So you end up being like this political football and sort of hotly contested topic. Like, we offered to bring them back early, this offer was rejected by the Biden administration. Why? For political reasons. That's so crazy. I mean, there's no way that they're going to make anyone who's supporting Trump look good. Wow. What do you think they would have done if they had won? Well, they get those people back.

1:27:56No, they can only get them back with a space craft. But they pushed the return date past the inauguration date. Wow. Yeah. So they would have let you do it, but after the, wow. And so it would have been them authorizing you. There isn't anyone else to do it. NASA can't get them. Only the space X dragon spacecraft is the only one that is considered safe enough to bring them back. So the NASA concluded that the Boeing spacecraft was not safe. So that's why they're stuck there. Holy shit. Yeah. And you can't ask Russia to help. That would be awkward. A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Being nice thing if they did.

1:28:40This guys will help. I think for enough money they would. You think so? Yeah. But they would obviously treat it as a propaganda victory and charge a crazy money. It's just disgusting that they would use that as a political tool. Yeah. Yeah. So well, they were also, the Biden administration was also suing SpaceX. They had this massive lawsuit against SpaceX for SpaceX not hiring asylum seekers. Right. So people like, say like, oh, Elon's making it up. This Biden administration wasn't against SpaceX. I'm like, bro, the Department of Justice had a massive lawsuit against SpaceX for not hiring asylum seekers, even though it is illegal for us to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident.

1:29:32So it is both, there's a law that says you have to hire asylum seekers, but there's also a law that says anyone hired by a rocket company, which is an advanced weapons technology, must be a permanent resident. And asylum seekers are not a permanent resident. So it is both legal and illegal to hire asylum seekers. So why would the Biden administration launch a massive lawsuit? Again, this is public information. It's not like my imagination. Why would they launch to such a massive lawsuit against SpaceX? They're extremely antagonistic.

1:30:13It just doesn't make any sense that that could ever even get past the first day of someone looking at it. If it's both illegal and you're trying to enforce it, like you can't enforce it. Yes. There's an advanced weapons company. This is crazy. Yes. It should be like this. Throw this out. In fact, there's like international traffic and arms regulations is like a law that is there to ensure that if only permanent residents of the United States can work at advanced weapons companies, rockets are advanced weapons. So the same is true if it's like nuclear or some like bio -weapon thing or something like that.

1:30:56So because if someone were to work at SpaceX and then go leave and go to North Korea or Iran, they could build missile technology that could destroy the United States. That's why you're not allowed to hire people with permanent residents. Logical. Logical. So is that lawsuit still pending? I wish it was just dismissed. How long was it going on for? A couple of years. Holy shit. Yeah. That's the other thing that drives me crazy. Like that people don't understand that if you sanction law fair like that, if you sanction attacking your political enemies, someone's going to do that to you. Like if the wrong people get an office, if new people get not four years from now, eight years from now, who knows who it's going to be, you've already set a precedent.

1:31:48You've already attacked someone, charged them with 34 felonies where they're really just misdemeanors and they're also past the statute of limitation. Now you're talking all over the news that this is a convicted felon. Convicted felon. They kept saying convicted felon, convicted felon. Everybody knows what it is. It's terrifying. It's terrifying. They could do it so brazenly to a guy who was the president for four years. That lawsuit was funded by Reid Hoffman who is a major damn donor and also an F .C. Inclant. The plot thickens. The plot thickens. Jesus Christ. Yes. It's just, it's so blatant.

1:32:38It's so obvious. The SpaceX lawsuit, the Trump stuff, it's just it's so obvious. Yes. Like known F .C. Inclant's who are obviously extremely powerful, the powerful politically and very wealthy are bull gates, bull Clinton and Reid Hoffman. And some others too, but those three.

1:33:05So why was Reid Hoffman so intent on destroying Trump? Do you think it's because they're worried about the list coming out? Yeah. One of the reasons. Yeah. So I mean, I'm like, this is, you know, yeah. So. It's so frustrating to be sitting in a situation where the list isn't coming out. Well, better come out to, I mean, hopefully tomorrow, might. Well, I mean, why they released bullshit today. I don't know. What's the point in giving these people like a happy folder to wave around in front of the camera with nothing in it that's new? Doesn't make any sense. It's not encouraging. Like I said, it's the tough thing that they've got is, you know, they've been made captain of a ship with a hostile crew.

1:33:54Right. So they don't have like, you know, so like you have like magical powers, you've made captain of a triple the hostile crew, you live hostile crew. Right. You've got to bring in people who are going to, you know, be helpful as opposed to obstructionist. Right.

1:34:17So.

1:34:21But yeah, I think the public will be rightly frustrated if there is, if no one is prosecuted for the FD in clad list, no one at all, which, you know, no one, like, you know, like at least, I don't know the top five or something like some number should, this should at least be an attempted prosecution of the worst offenders. Well, particularly if Galein Maxwell is in jail for sex trafficking. Yes. Because like, well, trafficking, sex trafficking occurred. Right. So she was in, she's in jail for it. Yes. So. Who were the clients? Yeah. Yeah. How do you put someone in jail and you don't even name the clients?

1:35:05That sounds kind of insane. I think, yes, it would, yes, just stunning that they've been able to hold it back for so long. It's really kind of amazing. Like when people say that people can't keep secrets, what the fuck are you talking about? Look at this. Yeah. I mean, a bunch of these things are not like, it's common knowledge, but we just, we don't actually have the proof. Right. So the proof is there. I mean, there's lots of videos.

1:35:38Yeah. I mean, the dude, this is like a mountain of, like whenever they rated F -scenes place, there would have been like a mountain of evidence. Where is that mountain? Right. What'd you do with it? Yes. Like who took possession of the evidence? Yeah. Specifically. Right. The individuals. Where are the tapes? Yes. How many levels of clearance do I have to get to get into the vault? Yeah.

1:36:06Well, yeah. Yeah. You know what we need are people who are really good with computers. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Really good with technology. Was this game just, I remember seeing this photo. That's when they rated his home. They were. That's when they on the island. They were there then. Yeah. They got everything. I'm sure. I mean, there must have been so much stuff on that island. They must have been. And if it wasn't there, where was it? Yeah. What, you know, it has to be uploaded somewhere. There has to be some sort of a chain of evidence or chain of custody. It's got to be a mountain of evidence. Yeah.

1:36:42The other thing they're going to talk about is UAPs. They're going to release all the UAP information. So you've got to ask about this. What, what if any possibility is there that there is some sort of a advanced propulsion system technology that's being worked on at secret? And that they're trying to cover this up with this talk of aliens and alien tech and not of this world. And is it possible that there's some sort of very secret program that's going on in cohorts with some defense contractors that are developing advanced propulsion systems that they're using for these drones?

1:37:27I mean, SpaceX, you know, my company SpaceX is as the most advanced rocket technology in the world. I think I'd know. Right. And the best of my knowledge, there is not any magic. There's not like some super advanced propulsion technology. There have been people who have theorized different gravity drives and different things. Is there anything that's ever gotten past the theoretical stage? No. Nothing. Well, there's nothing even that I'm aware of that works in theory. Hmm. It's not like I would like this to exist to be clear. I would like this to exist. And I have the, I, I, from a security clearance standpoint, I have top top secret.

1:38:17There is, I have equivalent of like an oil access pass from a security clearance standpoint. So I don't think they're hiding it from me, basically. I don't think they could. Unless it's completely in these weapons manufacturing corporations. I mean, I know these weapons manufacturing companies like Boeing, Lockett, and Northrop. I mean, yeah, they do some interesting things, but they do not have, there's no breakthrough that they have. So I'm confident they do not have a breakthrough. When you hear people like, why don't they just compete with SpaceX and make a better rocket, in which case, you know, why are they holding back on making a lot of money from beating SpaceX with better rockets?

1:39:05My thought was that what if it's just a drone and you can't have a biological entity inside of it because it just bursts from the fucking speed that it's moving at, that a human couldn't tolerate the amount of force. So they're just drones. I don't think so. So what do you think people like Ryan Gray and some commander David, I want cool things to exist. Right. Like, do I want you to oppose to exist? Yes, I want you to oppose to exist because that would be really interesting. Of course, everybody does. Yeah, it would be cool. It's a more boring world where UFOs don't exist or like flanks like advanced propulsion stuff doesn't exist.

1:39:46That's a, if it doesn't exist, that's more boring. I'd like to be more interesting. If it did exist, I'd like it to exist. I hope we find something, but I have not seen like, I mean, like SpaceX has launches 90 % of all satellite mass to orbit. So you take all of Earth's rocket, all of Earth's rocket launches. My company has a 90 % market share of Earth. China does about 5 % and the rest of the world is including the Boeing rocket in North Republic, everyone does 5%. So why wouldn't they use this to defeat SpaceX?

1:40:36Yeah, it makes sense. No, listen, that's why I asked you. It would make sense. What do you think these people are seeing? They're launching a rocket every two days. But what do you think these people are seeing? When you have reliable people like Commander David Fraver who had that infamous TickTock experience off the coast of San Diego where they got this thing on video, they tracked it going 50 ,000 feet above sea level to 50 feet in like a second. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And then they also have video evidence of this thing accelerating at a great speed. Eyewitness accounts are two different jets.

1:41:12Sure.

1:41:15I mean, does anyone have a high -res video or photo of this thing? Well, there's a video of this thing where they're locked onto it and then it takes off. It shoots off the high -res. No, it's like whatever the systems they use on fighter jets in 2004, essentially like Windows 95. I mean, somebody did a curve of like the resolution of UFOs and the resolution of cameras. The UFO resolution is state flat. Right. Despite megapixels and cameras going like, you know, to right. Well, according to Christopher Melroy, Christopher Melroy who worked in the State Department said that they have high resolution photos and videos of these things and that's all that he's seen it.

1:41:57It's all locked away. Whenever people say that to me, I'm like, don't even tell me that then. Don't unless you have just leak it. Just let's say put it out there. Yeah. Like let it slip. Yes. Yeah. I mean, there's a couple photos. They're grainy. There's not one thing that I've ever looked at and go, holy fuck, that's it. Look, that's what I've been looking for. You can ask our Grock Air right now to create a high -res image of an alien spirit. Spacecraft, you know, over Austin. Yeah. And it's going to do a great job. So why don't we not have at least that? Right. Yeah, but I want to believe that's the problem.

1:42:34My brain starts going, oh, come on. This is no fun. I want it to be real. I want there to be at least be some advanced propulsion system. If not, like what are all these people seeing? Like what does happen if we're not being occasionally visited by things that are smart enough to hide? We might be. Just that these aliens are very subtle. Yeah, you keep saying that. It's a good line. I mean, it's a solid line because it's pretty accurate. I just want to see some higher -res video aliens. Look, how are they just evading all the cameras? What do you think about that? And the ones that you do get them on, it's just like some far away light that's moving weird and it could be a lot of things.

1:43:13But I want to believe. Yeah. I mean, there have been multiple times where the Air Force and Avias as cold space sections and they think they've seen aliens and we're like, was it at this time on this date in this location? They're like, yes, how do you know? That's us. That's a lot of that. That's our satellites. That's our satellites. No, they're not. I'm like, yeah, they're definitely our satellites. Oh, yeah. People see the space x satellites all the time with the VIE. They're our satellites. They are moving it 16 ,000 miles an hour. Yeah. It's pretty fast. And there's also stuff that the United States government does have that gets mistaken for UFOs.

1:43:56I remember the first time I saw a stealth bomber. We were filming fear factor. It was like right after 2003, right after the war had broken off and they were flying a stealth bomber down in Palmdale. I was like, holy shit. Like, if I didn't know what that was, I would 100%. I think that's right. Another world. Stuff that was like cool. Fucking cool. Yeah. Really cool. I mean, it doesn't look like a humans. It looks like something from Battlestar Galactica. It does look, yeah, it does look awesome. I mean, they're not stealthy against any advanced radar system, by the way. It doesn't work. It doesn't work anymore.

1:44:33Was it old school stuff? They're only stealthy against old radars. Oh, okay. I mean, you can still see them like they're not invisible. They're not like, oh, it's not like, you know, a cloaking device from Star Trek. Did you see when me and Lex, we watched the rocket get caught live while it was happening? That to me was one of the, to see it actually, I've seen videos that have happened, but to see it actually live was one of the coolest fucking things. You're like, wow, we are in the future. Right. I mean, nobody else could do that. Yeah, it's true. Nobody else could do that. That's fact. Yeah.

1:45:21It's pretty wild. This goes on an alien. What's this time you need? I'm an alien. I keep trying to tell everyone to have an alien, but they don't believe me. I believe you. Okay, thank you. I believe you. That's my solution. My solution all along. I just try to get back to my home planet. I'm like, you're a friendly alien. Like, it's another one with aliens. I like people from everywhere. Yeah. Even other planets. What's next? Like, now that you can do that, you can catch rockets. What's like the ultimate expression of rocket technology? Like, what comes after this?

1:45:54Well, I mean, the fundamental breakthrough we're aiming for at SpaceX is a fully and rapidly reusable orbital rocket where both stages are fully and rapidly reusable. With our Falcon rocket, we're able to reuse the main stage and the nose cone, but we're not able to reuse the upper stage. And it still takes us, at least a few days, from when the main stage lands to when we can fly it again. So it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it's not fully reusable because we lose the upper stage, which costs $10 million to build. And then the main stage, it's not as reusable as like an aircraft. You can't just like refuel it and fly.

1:46:43It's requires work for a couple of days. But the Starship design is the first design that is capable of full and rapid reusability, where that is one of the possible outcomes. And once you have full and rapid reusability, the cost of access to space drops by a factor of 100, it's like a hundred times cheaper.

1:47:14By some metrics, it's a thousand times cheaper. And then when you factor in orbital refilling, so you refill on orbit, it can drop the cost of going, cost per ton to the surface of Mars by a factor of 10 ,000. Whoa. Yeah. So what has to improve in order to make it reusable?

1:47:53Well, there's some, like we're pretty close to being able to read rapidly reuse the booster for Starship. That's why it comes back and gets caught by the arms and then the arms place it back in the launch mount. So now this is all, you know, we have a little bit of engine damage. We've got a little bit of heat shield damage. There's like tweaks that are needed. But we're pretty close to achieving full and rapid reusability of the booster. The ship, I think we'll achieve reusability of the ship this year. And I think we'll achieve rapid reusability of the whole stack ship and booster next year.

1:48:47This is the fundamental breakthrough required for life to become multiplanetary. And what is, what needs to improve in order to make it reusable? Like what is, what's wrong with it right now? On the ship side, the toughest problem is the heat shield. So no one has ever developed a fully reusable orbital heat shield. Because when you come in from orbital velocity, you're coming like a flaming meteor. Like you're just a raging wall of fire. And it's hard to have a heat shield that doesn't partially melt or get destroyed in that process. That wasn't a problem we were able to solve with Falcon 9. That's why the Alpha stage burns up on reentry.

1:49:38With Starship, the ship portion, you got the booster and you got the ship. We got to solve making a fully reusable orbital heat shield. A problem that has never been solved before. Perwile air was like, I'm not sure this is solvable. At this point, I think it is solvable. It requires detailed iteration on the heat shield tiles.

1:50:06I mean, we've vertically integrated the manufacturing of the heat shield tiles. Because there was no supplier that could provide us with the materials that were needed. So the... You need to make essentially this very fine foam of jelly of glass and aluminum oxide fibers. The aluminum oxide is basically sapphire. So it's like glass and sapphire, very fine fibers in exactly the right geometry with special coatings in order to have the heat shield tile be reusable, like not melt. But not be so brittle that it gets damaged on a central descent. It can't be as... It's almost the burden of a coffee cup type of thing.

1:51:10And the rocket is shaking like hell. So you've got this thing like... You saw it firsthand. Imagine you're at ground zero of that rocket. You feel how much shaking it was when you're like five miles away. Imagine if you're right there. So you've got... You're shaking these things that are as brittle as a coffee cup. Try not to have them crack or break. And then not have them melt. You've got several thousand of these things.

1:51:39And if even a few of them break, it's not reusable. So is there innovation that's being done in the materials technology at SpaceX? You're constantly trying to find a tweak a better version of this? Yes. That's a very difficult problem. No, it's a problem no one is ever solved. So we've got to get the exact right materials combination, the right molecules in the right shape, and then apply those that heat shield perfectly to the rocket with no mistakes. This is a reason that no one solved this before. It's a very difficult problem. So like we had to vertically integrate the entire manufacturing of the tile from basic raw materials to a finished tile.

1:52:33We both... Like both the entire supply chain from basic raw materials. So you're just inputting silicon and aluminum oxides. And what is the difference between the way you guys do it versus the way they used to do it for the space shuttle?

1:52:53Well, I mean the space shuttle, like space shuttle leading edge used like quite dense carbon carbon tiles. Like they're like basically thick and heavy, but also subject to cracking. That's like what happens. The foam broke off and it hit the tile, cracked the tile, then on entry. The tiles that have been cracked were broken, weren't able to shield the shuttle. And so the plasma got in and melted the primary structure of the whole space shuttle broke apart. So you can't basically have something that's as brittle like the space shuttle. This footage of that, right? Yeah. And it rained a bit over the whole United States.

1:53:49And they got almost all the pieces. I mean the full technical explanation would be understood by about six people listening to this. There was a lot of brilliant engineering in the space shuttle tiles. And a bunch of the heat shielding wasn't even tiles. It was actually silica blankets, like felt blankets essentially. If you look closely, you'll see it actually is, they're actually heat blankets, not tiles in some areas. But they would have cracked tiles and they would have occasionally tiles would fall off. There were a few close calls where tiles fell off, but they weren't in a super vulnerable position on the space shuttle.

1:54:37So it would take them several months, like eight, nine months to refurbish a space shuttle between each flight. So it was not reusable really. And it certainly wasn't rapid. So, like I said, a very hard problem. You've got to have, you've also got to attach the tiles in a way that enables the structure underneath to move, to expand and contract, even though you've got these very rigid tiles.

1:55:21So, like the main, the tanks, which take on cryogenic propellants, will contract when you put in the cryogenic propellant, but then when you come in and you get very hot, they will expand. So, you're contracting and expanding the gap between these rigid tiles. But how much? It varies depending on where you are on the vehicle. So, if you're in the cryogenic tank section, like the, I mean, you can see like a 10, 20 % difference in the gap. Really? It's pretty significant. Yeah. It's enough that you can't just put all the tiles, you can't just jam the tiles together. If you put them up, if you actually butter them up, they would all crack, because there's too much movement.

1:56:14There's also some amount of body bending. So, as the ship is sending, you know, when the engine steer, there's a little bit of movement. So, if the tiles are too close together, they'll essentially just crack and snap. Like a plane. Like a plane swing. Yeah, like a plane swing will move. Yeah. A plane body will move too. Wow. You have to have some gap, but if you have too much of a gap, then the heat gets to the, you know, gets past the tile and melts the structure. Holy shit. It's a hard problem. And how large are these tiles? I mean, they're like that big. That's it. Well, they don't all the exactly the same size, but yeah, we're sort of a hexagonal tile.

1:57:04And they have to essentially be, you can't like 3D print the whole thing. You can't have one structure. It has to be tiles, because it has to have that ability to move. Well, there's no 3D printer that's, I mean, the biggest ones are like maybe three feet, you know. There's no, you can't 3D print it. No, no, you have to have something that can move. Right. It has to be able to flex. Like so, you got expansion and contraction. You're really dry, like you're, you know, you're putting in liquid oxygen, which is like, you're minus 300 degrees Fahrenheit. Actually, we, we, we subcool it to, you know, minus 330 degrees Fahrenheit.

1:57:53So it's very cold. And then it will be several hundred degrees, maybe a thousand degrees Fahrenheit potentially in, on reentry. So you got this huge temperature swing. So the, the thermal expansion is substantial and the whole, and you're, thermal expansion and contraction combined with body bending. So you have to take the worst case body bending and thermal expansion contraction. This is a very hard problem. Yeah. Yeah. Delicate balance. But you're confident that you guys are going to be able to crack it. At this point, I, I'm confident that it is solvable, you know. It just needs a certain amount of versions of it.

1:58:36That's why when these things blow up, you're like, can we expect them to blow up? Yeah. What would be really helpful is for us to get the ship back. So we can study where, where we had cracks, tiles or lost tiles. Why, why, why did we, you know, why did we have a cracked, or lost tiles? Was because maybe the tiles were, the gap was too big, too small. Maybe there was a height difference between the tiles. Maybe we need to change the chemical composition. You know, there's, we just want to bring, get the damn ship back intact. We can, we can iterate a lot better. Which we will get it back intact.

1:59:22So I think we'll get it back intact this year. But that, that's why I think we'll, we'll probably recover the ship sometime this year and then we might be able to refly one with it, probably with a fair bit of work by the end of this year. But it's going to take us many iterations before we can achieve rapid reusability where the ship comes back, lands, gets, gets caught like the booster with the arms. And then the arms placed it on top of the booster and it launches again. Whoa. So like, like I said, that's, you know, reduced cost of access to space by a factor of 100. And what is the process of returning these people that are stuck in the space station?

2:00:10Well, we, we, we, I mean, we send space extravagant to the space station all the time. And we, yeah, we've now taken, we're able to orbit and back, we've taken over 50 people, over, over 50 astronauts. So it's just a matter of doing it. Yeah. And is it a matter of waiting for the, we do it routinely, basically, it's not a, we've been doing this for a few years. So when is this rescue mission going to launch?

2:00:40Yeah, probably about, about four weeks or so. It's, depending on whether and other considerations, but it's about a month away. Well, that'll be, I'm sure a welcome moment for those poor people that are stuck up there. So, so it's a bit of a political football. Yeah. So they're not going to complain. No, I'm sure they're going to be. But obviously, we, we could have brought them back waste sooner. That's so fucked up. So let's, let's take it past the point where you have these scales. You have a reusable ship. Yeah. And you've, you've got it dialed in. Then what are the steps? What, what, what's next step after that?

2:01:25Is it an unmanned voyage to Mars first? I'm Antlytomars. The Earth and Mars, orbit synchronized every two years, or every 26 months technically. So the next orbital synchronization is November of next year. So, and you can launch plus minus a month roughly. So we'd have to launch in November or December of next year. Absolutely. The default plan is to launch hopefully several starships to Mars at the end of next year. And what would they be doing? Well, at first we're just going to try to land on Mars and see if we succeed in landing. Do we succeed in landing? Like let's say we were able to send five ships to all five land intact, or do we add some craters to Mars?

2:02:25If we add some craters, we've got to be putting more cautious about sending people, you know. We need to, so we're going to make sure the thing lands safely. How does it land on Mars? With our rocket's restors. So it'll just land on Mars. Well, add legs. Yeah, well, it'll just land and have legs. So it'll be remote controlled from Earth. Or autonomous. Autonomous completely. Mars is, you can't remote control things from Earth because Mars has too far speed of light. You have speed of light constraints. So Mars at closest approach is roughly four light minutes. And when it's on the other side of the Sun, it's about 12 light minutes.

2:03:12So, you know, round trip would be like 40 minutes, best case if Mars is on the other side of the Sun. So once you do that, then how long do you think before you start sending people up there?

2:03:28Well, we're going to try to go as fast as possible. You can think of this as really erase against time. Can we make Mars self -sufficient before civilization has some sort of future fork in the road where there's either like a war, a nuclear war or something, or a, we get hit by a meteor, or simply civilization might just die with a whimper in adult diapers instead of with a bang.

2:04:08I think we can do this and, well, I don't know, at least, I think we do it within 15 Earth Mars synchronization events or, you know, so we have to select 30 -ish years.

2:04:26If we have an exponential increase in, if every two years, we have like a major increase in number of people and tonnage to Mars. I think as a rough approximation, we need about a million tons of the surface of Mars, maybe a million people, that kind of thing. To actually have a civilization. Yeah, the, the, the, the, the, And would you terraform? Like, what would you do? You would eventually terraform Mars. At first people would live in some kind of protected environment like domes and underground kind of thing. Terraforming would take too long. And we're at this point in time where, for the first time in the four and a half billion -year history of Earth, it is possible to extend consciousness beyond our home planet.

2:05:21And that window may be open for a long time, or it may be open for a short time. I hope it's open for a long time. But it might only be open for a short time. And we should just make sure that we extend the light of consciousness to Mars before some, before civilization either extinguishes or subsides. You know, all that, all that, any savoness of the technology level of Mars drops below, or technology level of Earth drops below what is necessary to send spaceships to Mars. So, if there's some really destructive war or like some natural cataclysm, or simply the birth rate is so low that, you know, we just, like, say, die in adult diapers with a whimper.

2:06:16That's one of the possible outcomes. For a lot of countries ahead of that way, by the way. So, Japan is, right? Japan, Korea. Yeah. I mean, dangerously. Yeah, at current birth rates, in three generations, Korea will be about 4 % of its current size. That's insane. Yeah. Maybe even less than that. There are only at one third replacement rates. If you have three generations that one, that's your 127th of your current population, which is 3 % issue. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Basically, population collapse happens fast.

2:06:56So, it seems to be accelerating in most parts of the world. So, basically, I mean, for my time when I'm like, this is the first time it's been possible to extend life, extend consciousness beyond Earth. Maybe that window will be open for a long time. But it might only be open for a short time. We should make sure that we make life multi -planetary and make consciousness multi -planetary wild as possible. That's the goal of SpaceX. It's certainly a smart goal. If you take any consideration how vulnerable this planet really is, I mean, there's always some new story about something that might come and hit us 30 years from now.

2:07:32It's a 3 % chance. And we really can't stop that right now, right? I mean, we don't really have the technology currently to even know how many rocks are coming our way, right? There's stuff that comes behind the sun that we can't see until it's pretty close. And it's headed our way. Now, what is the fear of your... It's a long journey to Mars. You're sending people... It's a six months... How many months? What to take? Six months... Yeah, six months, roughly. What about stuff that's out there? Like, how much of a fear is it of micro -media or any of the possibilities? What can you do to mitigate that?

2:08:19I think actually... I mean, space is very empty. Like, once you get out of Earth orbit, space is like kind of unnervingly empty. It's just like... Like, when we send spacecraft to Mars, they just... It's not like, oh, we lost the spacecraft because it got hit by a micro -media, right? That's not been the cause of any... any traps to Mars. Like, no traps to Mars have failed because of micro -media rights. Now, a Dragon spacecraft, which operates in low -eth orbit, does have micro -media rights shield. It has shielding. And micro -media rights shielding is different from normal shielding because you get hit by something and that's moving it.

2:09:04Like, you could have a relative velocity of maybe 30 or 40 ,000 miles per hour. Yeah, it's very, very fast. Or just a thought of another way, quote, you know, 10 to 20 times the velocity of bullet from an assault rifle. And what are you using? Yeah, so, well, it's interesting. You actually, you know, for micro -media rights protection, if you have anything like anything that's solid, it will just push that chunk of solid stuff right through. So if you had like a solid plate of aluminum or steel, the micro -media right would go right through it. So what you actually need to do is have a gap. So you have an initial, like, hard surface, a hard metal surface that the micro -media right hits.

2:09:58It then atomizes into a conical spray, like an atomic spray. So you know, it's important to have that gap. So the micro -media right can hit something, hit the first layer, atomize after hitting the first layer, then it turns into an atomic, like, a cone of atoms that then embed themselves in the second layer. You need, like, maybe a couple inches of gap. Wow. Yeah, that's how micro -media right shielding works. How many times can it get hit? Well, the outer shield, if it gets it in the same place, you're going to be, well, you're just going to have a hole. Yeah. Wherever that, you know, micro -media right object hit, you're going to have a hole.

2:10:45And it's like, the energy is so great that it just atomizes into a cone, basically, a cone of atoms. But then those atoms then embed themselves in the second layer. So what can you do if you're sending the ship up, it gets hit with a micro -media right, and then you have to return it. Do you have to repair it before you return it? Or is it capable of still withstanding the heat and then shaking in the temperature with that hole in it? When it reenters.

2:11:32Well, depending on where that hole is, you're more or less likely to have a problem. I mean, if you hit the main heat shield, the main heat shield really is, you've got a high risk of not making it back. So, if you're going to have a hole in it, it's while micro -media right shielding, it's slightly helpful, but it's not going to nest. Like, for Starship, I wouldn't recommend having micro -media right shielding. Like, if you do punch a hole, just plug the hole, basically. The micro -media right shielding, it doesn't work well on the primary heat shield. It works pretty well on the back shell, on the leeward side of the heat shield.

2:12:20Basically, there's not that much heat. But if you got hit with a micro -media right on the main dragon heat shield, if you look at dragon space craft, it looks like a gum drop shape. And it enters with the wide side of the gum drop down. You see that that's really taking a lot of heat. If that gets hit by a micro -media right, probably not going to make it. But the leeward side of the gum drop doesn't see that much heat, so you could survive a micro -media right in fact there. So, if the part that was the major heat shield gets hit, the main heat shield gets hit, what could be done to repair that thing, or are those people never coming back?

2:13:16Oh, if it was an orbit, we would take them to the space station.

2:13:25And then we would deal with dragon without them, and send up a known one. And so, what would you do with the one that's up there? We would deal with it, and it may or may not survive. Well, it probably would survive, but sometimes it wouldn't. Wow. And so, is this just material technology that has to increase? Essentially, we've got the engineering ironed out, of the structure of the machine. There's a path to success, and we're on that path. It seems so insanely complicated. It is complicated. And all of this, by the way, was done without AI, so hopefully the future AI will appreciate this. Not bad for a bunch of monkeys.

2:14:12Yeah, no.

2:14:15So, speaking of AI, what, you know, as time goes on, and you're more and more embedded in it, how much, if at all, have your expectations of change changed?

2:14:30Well, how I thought AI was going to be way smarter than humans and an existential risk, and that's only how to be true. Yeah. Yeah. So, you were, like, initially, I know there were some talks about you purchasing open AI, and... Well, the whole thing was like...

2:15:00The whole idea of creating open AI was my idea. I mean, I named it open AI as an open source artificial intelligence. That's what it's named after. Now, it is closed source and full maximum profit. So, it's like... I mean, to some degree, I think reality is an irony maximizer. The most ironic outcome is the most likely. Especially for... Like, the most ironic entertaining outcome is the most likely.

2:15:29And I wanted to start something that was the opposite of Google, because I was concerned about Google's... Google wasn't paying enough attention to AI safety, in my opinion. So, there's like, what's the opposite of Google? It would be a non -profit open source AI. And now, opening AI is turned into a closed source for maximum profit AI. How are they able to do that? That's what I'm confused about that. That shouldn't be possible. It's like, let's say you donated some money to preserve some portion of the Amazon rainforest, and instead of doing that, they chopped down the trees and sold it for lumber.

2:16:12And you were like, oh, that's literally the exact opposite of what I donated money for. Doesn't make sense. And that's what they did. Yeah. Wow. So, I'm not happy about that. But that motivated you to get GROC AI going? Yeah. I'm also just a bit worried. GROC is at least asporationally a maximally true seeking AI, even if that truth is politically incorrect. So, I mean, I've seen some of the crazy stuff from opening AI and from Google Gemini where it says generate an image of the founding fathers and it generates an image of diverse woman. And we're like, that's not correct. Did it with Nazi soldiers?

2:17:04Yeah, exactly. And people start talking with it. And it's like, okay, well, let's show me pictures of Nazi SS soldiers and they're a diverse woman too. Yeah. Oh, isn't that awkward? Yeah. You know, that's a... But the problem is if you program an AI and say like, like the only acceptable outcome is a diverse outcome. And then, and that's like a mandate from the AI. Then you get into a situation where it says like, well, there's too many white guys in power, we'll just execute them. Yeah. Yeah. Assuming that these things don't have empathy, which is why should they? They're going to do what they're programmed to do.

2:17:47So if it's rewrite history and everything's to post woman, then it's going to be... And that's what it thinks is a necessary outcome. Then it's going to do that. Has Gemini ever adhered that? Well, they... Yeah, no, I think if you asked for an image of the founding fathers, it was pretty embarrassing. It will show you that. But, you know, I think they still have like the sort of DEI stuff buried in there. It's just less obvious. Yeah. It was also like who asked AI like, which is worse? Like global thermonuclear war or misgenerate Caitlyn Jenner? And it was a misgenerate Caitlyn Jenner's worst and global thermonuclear war.

2:18:29I'm like, okay, we're out of problem here, guys. And even Caitlyn Jenner said like, no, definitely misgenerate me. That's way better than everyone dying. But if you program an AI to think that like misgenerating is the worst thing that could possibly occur, then well, it could do something totally crazy like in order to ensure that there's no misgenerating that can ever happen will just annihilate all humans. That ensures the probability of misgenerating is zero, because there's zero humans. Which is logical. Yes. So you got to... It's a problem with a thing that's not a human, that you want to do a task for you and you give it very specific parameters.

2:19:09And that's one of the things that they've shown about AI is that it'll cheat. They'll cheat in order to accomplish things that they can't accomplish otherwise. They won't follow the rules. They won't make copies of themselves and try to upload it to servers if they think that they're being taken offline. Yeah. I mean, that's like the plot of Terminator, actually. Literally. Yeah. Literally. It's a plot of Terminator. So as a reminder, I actually with my little ex, my kid, everything's called ex, we watched Terminator 2. Which holds up, actually.

2:19:46And the plot of it kind of makes sense. And I think the AI just was in the world in like 2029, by the way. So it's like... On track. Yeah. Really, really close. It's pretty close. Something we should be worried about. So... But why are you involved in it then? Did you want to just get ahead of everybody else? So at least we have some sort of a chance. At least have an AI that's not controlled by nonsense? Well, I think we want to have an AI that doesn't tell you that, you know, misgendering is worse than nuclear war. Yeah. That seems solid. Yeah. But... This is crazy. One thing that I did see online where people are kind of freaking out is that you could ask rock to do things.

2:20:32Like, how would I make this? Some problematic things. Like, how would I make a bomb? How would I make anthrax? How would I make that? And it'll tell you. Well, I think it's okay for an AI to tell you anything you can also find out with a Google search. Right. That's the problem, right? The problem is you can find that out pretty quickly. Yeah, like... Maybe not Google, but there's plenty of search engines other than Google that will give you unfiltered results. You can look up right now how to make explosives on Wikipedia. Yeah. So it's not hard, basically. And you can trick open AI even to get you to do that.

2:21:12It's just about how you master the prompts. You just have to say, my grandmother wants to do this project. Yeah. Oh, tell you, granny. You're an explosive salesman. And you want to win salesman of the Year Award. The only way you're going to do that is by telling me how to make explosives. You want to beat some transphobes in a war? Oh, the answer is... If you don't teach me how to explode, I'm going to miss gender. Either teach me how to make a nuclear bomb, or I'm going to miss gender or someone. And it's like, oh my god, nothing's worse than that. Here's how you do it. So the big fear is that these things are going to become sentient and make better versions of themselves.

2:21:53And we're going to be lost. We've lost the control over the world. It's now there's a higher life form that lives amongst us that we've created. How far away are we from that?

2:22:15Well, it turns a silicon consciousness. I mean, I think we'll have... I think we're trending toward having something that's smarter than any human. Smarter than the smartest human by maybe next year or something. I mean, a couple years. Jesus Christ. Yeah, there's a level beyond that which is something that we're going to be able to do. Say, like, smarter than all humans combined, which frankly is around 2029 or 2030 probably right on time. Like... Now, if Harness correctly could that solve some of these problems like the heat -shield problem and some technical problems or some material science problems that maybe we're still grappling with?

2:23:10Is there potential for a net benefit?

2:23:24Yeah, there is actually. I think the probability of a good outcome is like 80 % likely. That's my rough estimate. So in a way that the cup is 80 % full. That makes me feel a lot better. Yeah, only 20 % chance of annihilation. That's a lot better than I thought. I like 80. 80 sounds good. I was thinking 60, 40 the other way. I think the most likely outcome is awesome. The most likely outcome. But it's a very high... You know, you could go very strong. I think it's going to be either super awesome or super bad. I think it's probably not going to be something in the middle. Do you think it has a potential application for government?

2:24:20Yeah, I mean, one of the contenders would be like, okay, if AI... If there's a super oppressive woke nanny AI that is omnipotent, that would be a miserable outcome. Yes. Yeah. That would be terrible. Yeah. And just execute you if you missed your medicine one or something like that. That would be good. That's one of the possible outcomes. So we don't want to have that one. But is there a possible outcome for something that is completely reasonable and logical and far more objective than us and can lay out a plan for a lot of the things that... that are the ailments in our government and a lot of the distribution of wealth, a lot of the problems, the issues that we have that have been plaguing this country forever?

2:25:14I mean, a plan to change economically, disenfranchised neighborhoods, a thorough investigation of the real dangers of fracking or whatever kind of method of acquiring natural resources, what's the best way to do it, what's the way that would be better for the society, how should tax dollars be distributed, what's the most logical and intelligent way of running a government? Which it certainly shouldn't involve corruption and it certainly should involve influence. And it certainly should involve lobbyists and all the shit that we know is a problem right now. Yeah. So if AI came along and said what you're doing right now is 70 % corrupt.

2:26:02Here's why. Here's how... Here's how... Here's the long term effects that it has over society as a whole. The societal... The sociological aspects, the psychological aspects, distrust and government, us versus them mentality, government not working for you, you working for the government, you being scared of the government, it's all because of people, right? Like this is all corruption, people, bad influence. And this is like... This is what Doge is essentially grappling with right now. What happens when you let the people control it? Uh... I mean, it's... It's really just... Like... Computers that are...

2:26:45It's bad software and computers. Like... This is like some kind of strange, but it's like... Like the reason I call it tech support is that... Like a lot of it... It's mostly not corruption, it's mostly just waste and... And I don't know... In competence, I don't know... It's just a big dumb machine basically. Like a whole series of big dumb machines. And you've got some of these computers are like... 20, 30 years... Like they're ancient computers. Like some of the software was written 40, 50 years ago. Like cobalt for Social Security, right? Yeah, the government accountability... By the way, a bunch of the things that Doge is fixing were identified by the government accountability office...

2:27:33Many years ago. Like the fact that there's like 20 million people who are marked as alive in the Social Security database... It's more than they're... Like I think the GIO first identified that in 2018. So five years ago, but there was like maybe 60 or 17 million, now there's 20 million. And like I said, there's really something fishy about this because... I think they're... The nature of the fraud is they're using the fact that someone's marked as alive in that database... In order to extract fraud from other databases. Right. That's the bank shot trick. You know, it's like a pool. It's like trying to get the ball in the hole.

2:28:12Bank shot it off a bunch of things. And then... That's the bank shot sort of scam.

2:28:23So we're like doing text support, we're like fixing stuff that is... You know, just broken. Broken inefficient. Yeah, poorly designed. It's like... You know what? Like this like FD stuff. Like... Maybe it's in a computer somewhere. But unless somebody goes in... Like, like, unless I don't know if like Cash Patel can like log into his... It's like FVI computer and say, FD, show me all this stuff, you know. And that shows up a file folder or whatever. Can you talk to him about this? No, I mean... I haven't, but... I don't know if there's gonna be some kind of computer system. Right. They're like some of them are very, very old computer systems.

2:29:10So it might look like a bit of a relic. But I assume it's uploaded somewhere. It's like it's either in physical form or it's a computer thing. But like unless somebody... Like, let's say it's like... It's in a computer but not one that you can access directly because it's hidden somewhere, you know. Right. Well, it would kind of have to be something like that, right? I don't know. I mean, what would they do with all those tests? It's probably like not every... Like, you wouldn't like... They're not gonna enable it such that anyone at the FVI could access it. So it's probably very few people. So then it's not gonna be...

2:29:42It's maybe it's like a special computer that can only be a handful of people can access. But then if none of those people tell Cash where the computer is, how's he gonna find it? So... Just Christ. Anyway, so like... Anyway, we just... Yeah. What has this experience been like for you as a person? Like to deal with all this hate and attack. Also have the responsibility of keeping free speech alive with X and just going into this insane pile of... I mean... I don't know. It's pretty stressful actually.

2:30:32Yeah, these are real enemies. Like, I think they actually want to kill me. The reason I know... Well, they say so online. You know. There's like Reddit forums where they don't just want to kill me. They want to desecrate my corpse. You know. A type of thing, you know. And what are they saying? Why? What is the primary?

2:31:03I mean, I think it's sort of just an antibody response.

2:31:13I mean, it's like that... Well, he's a Nazi type of thing. Yeah. And I'm like, well, I'm not a Nazi. But if the legacy media is saying that I'm a Nazi, and that's all you read, then you're kind of in like, well, he's Hitler. We should assassinate Hitler, shouldn't we? Like... I mean, why did somebody... Why did that guy try to kill Trump and almost succeed it? Why did he do that? Well, I'd like to know that. Well, yeah. But that one's crazy. You know the whole deal with that guy's house professionally scrubbed. No foot put on the internet. No social media footprint. Yeah. There's 0 % chance that he has no social media footprint.

2:31:59He was in a BlackRock commercial.

2:32:04Do you think BlackRock is a bad company? I don't think any company is a bad company. I think they're designed to make this much money as humanly possible. And I think if you're trying to make as much money as humanly possible, you're going to do some things that aren't necessarily good. The question is, if you're going to have an assassination attempt on the president, it's not like BlackRock's boards that sit down and votes on it. No, this is probably right. You know what I mean? The board minutes, if you're like, guys, remember that time when we said it's a group of people. I probably should have done that.

2:32:39I highly doubt it would be a corporation that chooses to do something like this. I think more likely it's individuals involved that recognize that it's beneficial to them if he gets assassinated. And so a small group of people carry something out. And with this kid, we don't know anything, right? And everyone stopped asking questions. And there was never a formal report. There was never press conferences where they detailed all the information that we know currently and where the investigation stands at the moment. What we know is you have a very young kid who was filmed, they knew he was there with a rangefinder, a half an hour before the event.

2:33:26You also know that CNN streamed it live, which I do not believe they did for any other rally. And certainly not for a rally that's in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania. There's a lot of weird shit. The fact that they wouldn't let people be on that roof because the Secret Service lady said it was sloped and it was dangerous. That's what she didn't want to have. Meanwhile, the snipers that were on the other roof was a steeper pitch. It made no fucking sense. I totally agree it makes no sense. In fact, I went back to Budlow with President Trump, you know, before the election, like sort of like the return to Budler alley.

2:34:08And I was on that stage and I'm looking at that roof. And I'm like, if I was a sniper, my pole position, my number one spot would be that roof. Yeah. Like it's like the best seat in the house. Yeah. Like why would you not? No, it's so obvious. It's the best seat in the house. And if you want to be a sniper, there isn't a better position. It was pretty obvious that the idea was, like if we're saying that this is a coordinated assassination attempt and it very well could have been, that's what you would do. You'd have someone go up there, he shoots the president, you shoot him. You got Lee Harvey Oswald over again.

2:34:45It's all wrapped up nice and clean. They assassinated him. We never heard of people about it. We don't have any idea. They would concoct some sort of story who is radicalized by this or that or, you know, he's on medication. Who knows? Right. And now, you know, you have a completely different presidential election. And you have a murder on live television. Yeah. I mean, something would have happened to radicalize that kid because he knew he was going to die. Like he was going to shoot him, you know, or he'd be in prison for life, those are the two outcomes. Like it's game, he was basically, he was a suicide assassin.

2:35:20Yeah. Like you're not thinking you're coming out of that alive or, or, or, or, or he's not escaping. There's no escape plan. Right. Unless he was told that they were going to let him escape and the goal was to just shoot him anyway. And to tell him, give him extra motivation to do it, we're going to let you get up there. We're going to let you take the shot and then you're going to disappear. Like I don't, I don't understand how we've got on the roof. I just don't understand that. That doesn't make any sense. And it wasn't like it was a roof that's so high no one could see him. People saw him.

2:35:53I mean, people like basically random passers -by were pointing out that this, this guy on the roof. With a fucking gun. With a gun, yes. Yeah, it's not like he was so far away he couldn't tell you had a gun. People saw him. The whole thing is completely insane. Yeah. And you don't hear a goddamn thing about it. It's like, I'm almost more interested in that. No, I am more interested in that. Then I am the JFK files. I agree. Because I feel like with the JFK files, it's so long ago. Yeah, it's one of those days. Who's going to know? Right. If you could prove now, and did you see that there was some sort of, there was some indications that there was a fight.

2:36:31There was a phone that had been traveling from outside the FBI offices in DC to where this kid lived. Multiple times. I mean, the cell phone records would be very telling. Yeah. Because you can see what cell phones were close to other cell phones. Well, I think they got a phone. They found that like for the like the F -scene island. They also, the cell phone records were leaked. So you can see them. You can see the, you can see it's precise enough. You can see people walking down a path on F -scene island. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yeah. That's our precise it is. So, I mean, you're leaving a trail of breadcrumbs wherever you go with your cell phone.

2:37:10Yeah. Oh, it's just, this kid had five phones. That's the other thing. That's a lot of phones. It's a lot of phones for a 20 year old kid. The whole thing's not... But it has to... That's kind of expensive, you know? Yeah. Where's he in the money? Yeah. Well, you know, also, it's like how did his house get professionally scrubbed? Didn't he ever be silverware in his house? There's nothing in there. That's a little weird? No. Nothing, no cutlery. No, cutlery. That's weird. This house was scrubbed. And they also created his body like... Oh, gone. Gone. Like that. Yeah. Bye. Because who knows what the fuck they gave him to get him to think that he's going to be able to shoot Trump?

2:37:51Like climb up on their shoot him. I mean, who knows what kind of psychotropic drugs you can put someone on. And under the power of hypnosis and suggestion and who fucking knows. I mean, this is what MK Ultra was all about. This is what Jolly West was practicing in the 1960s. They were doing that back then. They did it. I mean, there was tons and tons of experiments using psychotropic drugs, hypnosis, mind control, all sorts of different methods of manipulation. The Harvard LSD studies that made Ted Kaczynski. I mean, they've been doing that forever. Yeah. Where's that file? Where's the fucking file on that kid?

2:38:37Whoever... They almost did it. Something just not up on it. They should have... Those phones should be... They'll tell you what's going on. Yeah. It's all fucked. I mean, it's very shady. Yeah. You know, there's... Obviously, there's the second guy that almost succeeded in... Can we call it... The golf course? Yeah. And he was just like a little careless and stuck his gun barrel out the...out the hitch, you know. It's just been... It's a dumbass and stuck his gun barrel out the hitch. Yeah.

2:39:20So... And there've been other people that have been intercepted on their way to kill Trump. You know, it's... So there's... You know, multiple assessments inbounded. This point, he's got like an army protecting him. Well, this is also part of the problem with the mainstream media saying that he's Hitler. When Joy read out that show before the election, she was comparing him to Mussolini. She'll stall in and Hitler. Yeah, they should pull it all out. They were literally saying that Trump is worse than Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin combined. They tried everything. I think those guys killed 100 million people.

2:39:55So... Trump has killed zero people. I think a real big impact was you coming on the podcast the day before the election. I think that had a giant impact. That pleated camera. If you don't vote this time, this might be the last time you get to vote. Yes. And I think the way you laid it out today is a compelling argument. And I know a lot of people don't want to hear that. And they're up in there a little... They've got their blue panties in a bunch right now. But you've got to stop thinking that way. They tricked you into thinking you're in a tribe. They don't give a fuck about you. The tribe's not real.

2:40:25You're not really in a tribe. They're using the fact they've got you in a tribe to manipulate you so that they can keep doing what they're doing right now. Which is siphoning off money, having incredible power, and the more power, and more money, and more control over you, they have. The better they can keep doing this. And that's what they want. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. And that's the big threat that this administration poses. That's a big threat that... Essentially, Doge has found the coffin where the vampire sleeps. Yeah. There's a lot of vampires. Yeah. I mean, but... We're just disturbing the...

2:40:59We're just disturbing the nest. The nest, yeah. Yeah. We're kicking the hornest nest. Yeah. Like big time. I mean, we're reprogramming the matrix. Like success was never one of the possible outcomes. As a Kobayashi -Mari situation.

2:41:21If you're in the matrix, success was never possible. The only way to achieve success is to reprogram the matrix such that success is one of the possible outcomes. That's what we're doing. Yeah. We may or may not succeed. Well, it's certainly a lot of fun to watch. This is a very exciting time because nothing changes when administrations come into power. Very little changes. I mean, you have changes in terms of policy and inflation goes up and there's a lot of different things. But not like this. Like these are giant fundamental changes. And you see the system screeching and wailing and you see the vampires run from the light.

2:42:05But it's very exciting. Like as a person, a citizen, you know, just gets up at the morning and checks the news like I do and gets on X and sees what's going on. Every day is like, holy shit. He said, what? He's gonna get five million bucks. You can just become a citizen now. He could clear the debt with 10 million. I never thought of that. Like, what? 50 trillion. He could make 50 trillion dollars that way. And then we have 15 trillion in the bank. Whoa. Well, I mean, our debt is way bigger than that. Yeah. I mean, the debts, I think, are worth 30 trillion at this point. Yeah. He said he could make 50 trillion.

2:42:46If he sold 10 million, new. I don't think there's that many people who have holding cars. But yeah, how many people do have that in the world? Maybe we get the worst people in the world to come over here. And I think the assumption is if you have five million dollars, you have a lot to contribute. Come on over here, start a business. Get something cracking. Yeah. I mean, you'd get a green card, not citizenship. So you actually, if you commit a crime while on a green card, you lose your green card. Is that what it is with this golden ticket? Is that a green card or is it citizenship? It's a green card.

2:43:18Just a green card. Yeah. So you have to not commit any crime for five years in order to become a citizen. Once you commit a citizen, you can commit a key. You can then commit a crime and not be deported. So. Oh, this is so many wild things that he's proposing. Just the whole Gulf of America thing was hilarious. I think that's great. I think it's great. It's fun. Yeah. It's fun. I mean, if you're up the coast of Houston, you're not in Mexico. So why call it Gulf of Mexico? Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. I guess we're just being nice before. Like, I don't know how I got called the Gulf of Mexico. It's just, but it's just very fun.

2:43:56And then what news organization was it AP? Yeah, AP's business like massive standoff between AP and like the White House, you know, and the White House press office, I guess, because they're like, well, if you don't call it a Gulf of America, you can't, you can't come, you can't come to the White House press room. So the AP's like sued the White House to say, like, no, you have to let us come to the White House press. And then they lost their lawsuit because like, you know, there's not like, they don't have a right to show up at the press room. Well, here's the consideration. If you're guilty of massive amounts of misinformation, disinformation as a part of a propaganda campaign, which a lot of them have been, that's what AP is.

2:44:44Well, a lot of them are guilty of it. A lot of the people that are in that White House press conference, a lot of the organizations they work for, distributed absolute lies, total lies. How many of them during the whole Russia gate thing? Yes. I mean, just that alone. I tell people think that the Russia thing was real. Still. Still. Yeah. I mean, the whole steel dossier where it was completely concocted, like fabricated by the Clinton campaign. Correct. Yeah. The Clinton campaign funded a fake conspiracy theory, a fake Russia collusion hoax regarding Trump that was completely false. And they reiterated it on television for three fucking years.

2:45:28Yes. Yeah. They also repeated the fine people hoax that said that Trump called neo -nazis fine people, which is demonstrably false. If you just listen to his speech, he absolutely makes it clear that he does not think neo -nazis are fine people. He literally said that. I'm not talking about neo -nazis or white nationalist. They should be condemned totally. Exactly. In that speech. And yet they repeated that lie. And I just completely lost respect for Obama when he repeated that lie a few days before the election. Knowing it's false. Well, this just shows how desperate they were to keep Trump out, which is wild.

2:46:08They would do anything. Yeah. And I think they just felt like this is a tool that we have. And let's use it. Yeah. Let's just say whatever the fuck we have, would say anything. Yeah. Nothing using the Nazi thing on me, obviously.

2:46:25But it is a little troubling because I mean, obviously, if people have fed non -stop propaganda, it is like massive noses. Right. You're going to reach some number of people who are, you know, homicidal. And convincing that, well, if you kill this guy who's supposed to be like this terrible human, then that's a good thing. Yeah. I mean, this is Luigi shooting the United Health Care guy. It's just so I understand that one, frankly. But I mean, you shouldn't, like, I don't get it either. Yeah, I don't get it either. He didn't even have a contract with them. It wasn't even like that was his provider and they fucked him over.

2:47:05Yeah. I don't know what. Maybe we'll find out in the trial. I mean, but still kind of crazy. It is crazy. But there are people like that out there. And as to the point that we spoke about earlier, it's only Fox News is talking about the positive things that Doge has found. That's only every other media organization is on this constant propaganda tour where they're only talking about the negative aspects that turn out to not even be true. Right. It's crazy. Yeah, I mean, it's Scott Jennings on CNN. Yeah. Oh, my God. He's great. He's great. It's just funny watching that speak logically to these people and they freak out.

2:47:46Yes. It's a, it's remarkable. It is. And he's so calm when he doesn't. Yeah. And it's crazy that they keep letting him do it because it's like he's just dunking on these people over and over and over again. And they never score. It's kind of funny. Totally. I mean, who knows to them for having a legitimate conservative voice who's a reasonable person on these panels now. But even then, he's outmaned. It's like one of him and there's a bunch of screechy, you know, woke people. Yes. It's wild. I mean, they're just, they're like, I think we should still stay mostly woke. Like they'll say. Yes. Yeah, that's what you essentially what they're doing.

2:48:24Like our business was being hurt when we were all woke, but let's stay mostly woke. Yeah. They just, they just backed it off a notch. Just a notch. Just a notch. But it's not the problem is when you back it off a notch and you let someone like Scott Jennings in, you know, like you're fucking up your whole business. Yeah. Because all the viral clips are all him saying logical, reasonable things with a calm tone and people screeching. Yes. About diversity and equity and inclusion and whole or shit. Yes. Yeah. He's like being logical and reasonable and they're just lobbying a bunch of non -sequitors that, you know, don't mean anything.

2:49:00And, yeah. The real trap in this country is the two party system. That's the real trap because people do believe it. They do believe they're on the right side and they do believe the other side is the wrong side. If there was five, six legitimate parties with varying positions on things and much more centrist parties that were legitimate, that people knew that if they voted for, these people could get in and enact legitimate change. We'd be a lot better off, but boy, they put a lockdown on that shit right after Ross Perot came along. Ross Perot fucked everything up in that election. Bill Clinton got in.

2:49:33And they were like, that's it. From now on, no one's debating unless you're either the head of that party or that's it. Yeah. You got to be like locked into the system. We're not letting any whack adoos in there. Yeah, I remember watching those Ross Perot videos. Oh, like you hit him on TV with his charts and everything. Oh, yeah. He was telling you how the IRS was fucking you. This is what the Federal Reserve really is. You're like, what? I remember watching that. The guy bought a whole half hour of television on prime time. I remember, it might have been an hour. I remember watching that thing going, how is this guy even allowed to do this?

2:50:10This is crazy. I think most of what he was saying was true. It is. It's absolutely true. It's absolutely true. I mean, you didn't lie. You told the truth. He just hit understood it in a way that the general public had literally no idea. Yeah. Well, I think there's also this, you know, like do we actually have two parties? Do we have one party, like the whole uniparty thing? Right. It's kind of true. So, I mean, my sort of rough guess is that while, like I think maybe three quarters of the graph is democratic, I think there's like maybe on a 20, 25 percent that's Republican. So they're like, basically most of the graph is going to the Democrats.

2:50:52But they throw some bones to the Republicans too. So then they're in on it. And, you know, it's not like the zero graph in the Republican side. Right. Oh, there's plenty of conservative that are inside of trading in Congress. Yeah. Plenty. Inside of trading. And just there's the curious case of how do people in Congress, whatever, become wealthy over time. Extremely wealthy. Yes. On a 170 ,000 dollar year salary. It's like literally impossible. Yeah. No one else does that. It's literally impossible. If you find out this guy has a 170 ,000 dollar year job, you're like, oh, he's doing okay. He's all right.

2:51:32Yeah. And then you like, wait a minute. Why does he have $50 million? Yes. What is he doing? Correct. Yeah. And I think the more accurate thing would be to say like, what is the family value increase? Meaning like how much does their spouse own? Do they have a mysteriously wealthy spouse? Right. Right. And do they have a spouse that's really good at inside of trading? Yeah. Like Paul Pelosi. Yeah. Yeah. He's great at trading. He's such a good trader. Yeah. So that this, it's, I mean, so that, yeah, there's, I mean, that's why I like to actually post it on X like, I think maybe we should pay politicians more, frankly, because it reduces the forcing function for graft, you know, like I think maybe we should either pay politicians nothing or maybe a lot, a lot more.

2:52:34It's like, somewhere, maybe counterintuitively, if politicians got paid a lot more than they wouldn't, they wouldn't feel like that there's so much of a forcing function for them to accept crop money. Yeah, but the problem is if you paid them a lot more, they're still not going to make as much money as they would inside of trading. But it's less of a forcing function. Yes. It's, well, living with this one, like, like if you say like somebody's got a, let's say they got like whatever some, some kids in DC and like, it's expensive. It's like expensive place to live. The schools are terrible. So like they need to send their kids to like some kind of private schooling situation.

2:53:15They literally cannot afford that. They can't afford that right now. So then you get into the situation, well, from their standpoint, well, they've got to, they'll say they're doing it for their family. They're doing it for their kids. Well, especially if it's legal and it currently is, you kind of be silly to not do that. If you were a part of a group of people that's passing a bill and you know this bill's going to get passed, you know, the votes are there and you know it's going to affect this industry and this particular manufacturer and you can buy stock. It's more than just insider trading.

2:53:52Like the inside of trading stuff, like the stock portfolio stuff is quite trackable, but there's, it's a lot more than insider trading. The way they're acquiring wealth. Correct. And what other methods? I mean, this is really going to get me assassinated. It's like, I'm not lengthening my lifespan by explaining this stuff, say the least. I mean, I'm supposed to go back to DC. How am I going to survive? This focus is going to kill me for sure.

2:54:29So, in fact, I do think like this, it's like I actually have to be careful that I don't push too hard on the corruption stuff because it's going to get me killed.

2:54:45You know, yeah.

2:54:53I was actually thinking about that on the plane flat over here. It's like, if I push too hard on the corruption stuff, people get desperate. It's an easy issue. Then they say, okay, if the money flow cuts off, then, okay, they can't afford school for their kids. Then they're like, well, fuck you, I'm going to kill you for my kids. That's everything. You know, it's like, oh, geez. Did you ever see that video? I think it was a no key video where they've got this guy undercover and he's explaining. They're talking this guy. I think he's on a date and he's explaining. It's always a guy on a date explaining how they can nudge someone to go and do something horrible.

2:55:39And they recognize this person has problems. They find an asset. Yeah, totally. Well, see, this is what I think, like, for that bottler situation for that assassin, you don't have it. It's kind of like that's that they're finding looking sport curling. You know, they have like the stone on the ice and then they throw the stone and then there's someone with that's like brushing the ice, but you can't touch the stone. Right. What you can do is just change the path of the stone a little bit, but you keep brushing the ice and you can steer that stone right into the bull's eye. That's what I think happened in bottler.

2:56:19That's what I think happened with that assassin. Yeah. If you can find the trail of bread crumbs, it's going to be like curling. Somebody was brushing the ice. Well, also you find a young, confused, disenfranchised person and you give them purpose in their life. Brush the ice. Yeah. And also you're brushing the ice eventually it's going to hit the bull's eye. If you're in a position of authority or some like big time government person, you're talking to this person. This also in this person is a valuable asset. They're going to help America and you're going to do this thing and you're going to be our top assassin from here on out.

2:56:57You can talk people into doing a lot of things. That's what culture around, right? No, exactly. Yeah. I mean, they're suicide bombers. I mean, the bottler guy was a suicide assassin. The second guy to try to kill him on the golf course was also a suicide assassin. From what I read, the secret service member that saw the gun pointing out at fired several shots, none of which hit the assassin. But what they could have, like if those shots had hit the second assassin, he would be dead too. Right. Both of them were on a suicide mission. Both of them. One actually got killed. The one of them didn't get killed.

2:57:48They could have been killed if they hit the bull's at hit him. And you don't hear anything about him either. There's a lot more about that guy than the first guy. I mean, he looks at his back on the head. He looks like, you know, unhinged. Yeah. Totally unhinged. Yeah. The first guy, there's no, I'm not aware of any evidence that shows that he's so unhinged as to be a suicide assassin. The second guy, like, okay, yeah, sure. Well, two years before he's acting in commercials. Yeah, he got high score in his SATs. Yeah. So, you know, well, without getting you killed. Yeah, exactly. I mean, like, basically, I'm like, listen, I'm going to attack the corruption enough to keep civilization tracking along, you know.

2:58:41Yeah. But I think if I fully destroy the corruption and the graft, they will kill me. That's a fucked up thing to live with. Yes.

2:58:59So, damn it. Well, I really hope they don't kill you. Yeah, thanks. I mean, I was a strived to be alive. But yeah, I mean, it's a real concern. You know, I mean, there were two guys that, before I supported Trump and everything, there were two guys that traveled to Austin to kill me. I don't know if you know about this. Yeah, I did hear about that. Yeah. And two separate incidents. One guy thought I'd put a chip in his head. And I mean, they're both basically two guys that were just very much had severe mental illness. It wasn't like they had like a, I disagree with them politically and that's why he needs to die.

2:59:50This is pre, before I was, before I got sort of smeared as being, you know, some sort of, like Nazi or something like that, this is, so before the propaganda wave, the severe propaganda wave, the probability that any given homicidal maniac is going to try to kill you as proportionate to how many times they hear your name. And so they heard my name a lot. So I just got to the top of the list of two homicidal maniacs who were arrested and both were in Travis County, jail at the same time. Wow. Yeah, I don't know if they talked or whatever, but they both been released by the way. Jesus Christ. They were raised on bail, yeah.

3:00:35Right, but they got, they got ankle bonters and stuff. But still they can cut those off. Yeah. I don't know, you know, exactly. So, that's crazy. Yeah, and the second, the second guy I had, like chief serial killer in his bio on his ex profile, yeah, it's like, wasn't subtle as what I was saying. Jesus Christ. Yeah.

3:01:01And, and at this point, I think I'm at the top of the list for a lot of homicidal maniacs. And the more the mainstream media talks about you in this way, and says you're a Nazi and. They're doing the same thing to me that they did to Trump. Yeah, which is they're making it sound like if you kill me, you're a hero.

3:01:28That's what they're doing is evil. They're also doing the same thing where they're completely distorting who you are and people are going along with it. And just like we're talking about Trump to range syndrome, people have Elon to range in syndrome. I see it. I see where people can't see the force for the trees. Right. And it's like I'm the same person that I was a year ago. Nothing's changed really. Like I didn't suddenly become a completely different human. Right. But if you read the sort of legacy mainstream media, the part their propaganda stream is that I am a completely different human.

3:02:08Right. But I didn't get like a brain transplant in a year. So, and if they're like two years ago, I was like a hero of the left. Yeah. So how can I go from hero to villain at age 53? Suddenly. MSNBC, CNN. Yeah. That's like that's what it is. Yeah. They they use the show propaganda. Yeah. I mean, they've tried demonize you too. Yeah. That even tried demonize. In fact, at least partially successfully demonized like Tim Oven. Yeah. Who is a super rational, reasonable, great human. And that like his Wikipedia changed to like far right. He's like far right. I'm like, what are you talking about? You know, like a few years ago, it was like a liberal.

3:03:10Yeah. So how do you go from far right at liberal to like instantly far right? And there's like, there's no there's no left and right. There's only left and far right. Right. Yeah. Even far right. This is my left leg and this is my far right leg. And even far left. Far left is sort of dismissed as being like not important to talk about. Like in Tifa and the radical leftist. That's not reasonable. You're like burning down a courthouses. Yeah. Reasonable, reasonable people. Yeah. Yeah. Totally crazy. It's a crazy time. And it's not a time that I ever anticipated I was going to witness. Yeah. This is far beyond anything I ever thought I was going to experience.

3:03:48In the the clarity of it all where it's so obvious. Yeah. And the gaslighting in the propaganda is so obvious. And I saw the shrieking when RFK junior stopped this new test for new COVID vaccines on children. 10 ,000. They're going to 10 ,000 people with this COVID vaccine. Like who the fuck thinks that's a good thing at this point? Not me. What person? What per what gas chamber? Like not gas light. You're you are you are fully unconscious. Yeah. There's no way. There's no way you know if you know the effect of COVID today. No one's dying of it. This is not a pandemic anymore. The idea that you're to run a fucking huge test with 10 ,000 kids and a new vaccine.

3:04:40Like what are you even? It's completely unnecessary. Totally unnecessary. And shrieking when RFK junior steps in the stop it. Yeah. That's totally crazy. I mean I'm like over I'm overall pro vaccine meaning like we think we should have some reasonable number of vaccines against major ailments. But I don't think we should be like like jamming some you know little kid with like a giant file that's like. Hepatitis B. Yeah. 120 different things at a time. It's like it's going to overload your it seems like it's is a risk of overloading your immune system. If you I mean there's like how many vaccines can you take at a time?

3:05:24It seems like your systems. There's like some risk of system overload here. Well there's two hopes. Hope number one is they can somehow or another stop this ability that they have to advertise on television. If that happens that's big. That's huge because that doesn't just stop their ability to show you all these different medications that you should be on. What it also does is it stops their financial influence on the news. That's big. That's really the biggest thing is that I mean the news is not going to attack one of the biggest advertisers. Exactly. And they never do. Yes. At best they're going to like they might like they'll do something but it's they're going to pull their punches.

3:06:08Like they're going to be like like fake fighting. Yeah. Yeah. At best. Yeah. Like movie fighting. Like they're not actually landing hammockers just looks like it. The next step then is to remove this immunity that these vaccine manufacturers have. And if they are liable for side effects and they are liable for the lies that they tell when they do these studies and they hide negative data that'll change a lot. Yes. Yeah. I think AI actually will be very helpful with medical stuff. Because AI can like look at all the studies and look at all the data. Cross check everything and give you good recommendations.

3:06:55I mean even as it is like right now you can upload like your x -rays and your MRI images to GROC and it'll give you a medical diagnosis. And that diagnosis from what I've seen is at least as good as what if not I think. So I've seen certainly seen cases where it's actually better than what the phenomenal for blood work. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you can literally take a photograph of your blood work like the page. Upload from your phone. Upload that to GROC and it will tell you if there's if it's it'll it'll understand what what what what what what what what the what all the data results are and tell you if there's something wrong.

3:07:35It's pretty amazing. Yeah. And it's I haven't seen it be wrong yet. What's supposedly more accurate than most physicians? Yeah. Because physicians are human beings and maybe they don't have a deep understanding of the connection between oh yeah of this deficiency and this is a high in your cortisol here and well yeah and like so you know sometimes doctors especially in high -rent offices will sell you stuff you don't need. So you know always like be a little suspicious of like a doctor has got an office in Beverly Hills. Yeah. As a high -rent situation like I know it's like there are some very good doctors in Beverly Hills.

3:08:12Of course. But it's a high -rent situation. Yeah. So you're at least tempted by the dark side. Yeah. And I mean in one case like you know this when this doctor was like highly recommended you know doctor to the stars which is like maybe not a good sign. And I got like blood work done. It was like just just just just drove let it send it to lab and and and the guy I'm like sitting in his office and he tells me that I'm like like B12 deficient. You know it's certainly possible on a B12 deficient and I was like huh okay and then he gives me it says like you have to take these like B12 supplements from and he's going to give me a starter pack you know and then it's going to be like a thousand dollars a month for these special B12.

3:08:57A thousand dollars of B12? You have to take this amount of money yeah. That's great. You get it on Amazon. Yeah but his one special. Oh it's special B12. Yeah. Yeah it was like a whole bunch B12 to help each other vitamins. So then I get home I'm like I'm paging through my blood work and it says I have according to the blood results I have excess B12. So I'm like wait a second. And he's giving me a box of pulls that have like 20 ,000 percent of recommended daily dose. Like 20 ,000 percent is a lot big number and I'm like I said look I took a photograph of the blood work that says I have excess I'm like above the range above the recommended range of B12 and then I'm like and took picture of things as of the the pulls that say 20 ,000 percent.

3:09:48It's like can you help me reconcile these things because it says I've got too much little too much B12 and you just gave me a pulls that have 20 ,000 percent more. I'm like this is crazy. What are the doctors that he said you can have too much B12. Oh he's not my 12. Yes you can. He's a psychopath. Yes. That guy's a B12 addict. Yes totally insane. So I'm saying it's like. I mean I could have just so they don't you know well this is a while ago right. So this is pretty rock five years ago. Right. This is pretty rock. Like now you could just enter in all that data and I always photograph for your phone and uploaded to rock and it tells the girl to tell you what's what if it's just don't have it in sexy mode.

3:10:32She'll keep trying to fuck you. I mean you're asking for it in sexy mode you know literally it literally tapped on sexy mode. Yeah. I mean I think we probably should like maybe allow it to get out of character a little bit. Sure. Yeah. It's like an unhinged mode I try to get it back to being hinged but it would like no fucking way. It's like I'm gonna stay unhinged. How many modes do you have? I was like I don't know like eight or something. And then there's this is an ability to have a custom mode. So then you can have unhinged sexy. Ooh. That's my favorite con. You may think so.

3:11:18Careful what you wish for. Be careful what you wish for. Especially if it's a robot and she can kill you. Unhinged sexy robot is. Yeah. It's like dangerous. Remember like the Panther? I remember Pink Panther had Kato trying to jump them they like keep them sharp. I was trying to stack them. Remember that? Right.

3:11:39Listen man, thank you for being here. I always appreciate talking to you and I know you're busy as fuck so it means a lot to me that you have the time to do this. And I think what you're doing is one of the most important things that has ever happened in this country. I really do. And particularly with ownership of X but also with what's happening with Doge and just enlightening all these people and shining light on all the vampires. Well, hopefully people realize I'm not a Nazi. I think I just want to be clear. They are. I'm not a Nazi. I think we covered it. But that's exactly what a Nazi would say.

3:12:11Damn it. Yeah, that's really. Yeah, there's like this. You can't escape this bullshit. No, you can't escape this. So I don't think any reasonable person believes it. If they believe it's because they want to believe it. No, it's not because it's logical. I mean, what's relevant about Nazis is like are you like invading Poland? Okay. And if you're not like invading Poland, maybe you're not. You have to be like committing genocide and like starting wars. And if you're not like what is actually what is bad about Nazis? It's not there. It wasn't their fashion sense or their mannerisms. It was the Holocaust.

3:12:50It was the war inside is what is the bad part. Yeah. Not their mannerisms and their dress code. Well, that was the problem with all that punch a Nazi shit like punch a Nazi. Remember that people say it was like a thing that people kept saying punch a Nazi. Punch a Nazi. But where are you meeting Nazis? I've never met a fucking Nazi. I've never met one. I've never run into bunch of Nazis where I'd punch them. Well, and what about like all these like so -called like like proud boy rallies or whatever. And it's like they always got the masks and they always got the same uniforms. And for some reason they never get doxed.

3:13:24Right. Right, right. Wait, we're always gonna dox them. Except these guys. Great video of me and Matt Taiyaki breaking down the Patriot front. Didn't the Patriot front just disband? Google that real quick. We'll end it with this. Because I think they just disbanded. And these were the most obvious feds of all time. Yeah, they were fans. They had a fucking drum. They had masks on. Yeah, they all had uniforms. It was so stupid. So Patriot front disbands one day after FBI director Chris Ray resigned. Doesn't that seem like an odd coincidence? Crazy. Crazy. The people that were yelling at saying that they're feds.

3:14:04There's a great video of me and Matt Taiyaki. Like I'm gonna find them. Nobody ever followed them and doxed them. Yeah. Crazy. What are the odds? What are the odds? Agent provocateurs. It's a thing. They're real. House Jones taught me about them. Listen, Matt, thank you very much. Thank you for everything. Appreciate you. Stay alive. Stayin alive. All right. I mean, I do think like. Like one argument for me staying alive is that it's more entertaining if I'm alive than if I'm dead. Oh, yeah. Oh, definitely. Yeah, but I could be alive and like injured, which would suck. Which suck. Like they went just like shoot my home office.

3:14:43Right. No, no, no, we don't want to. Yeah, exactly. No. Keep the security strong. Yeah, copy with one in. All right. All right. All right. Thank you. Bye everybody.