#2282 - Bill Murray

26:28We could be, we could be adversaries or even enemies or, you know. So that, I mean, it's, you mentioned it. It's like I go places where, and you know, I'm sure you do too, where you just can't talk, you just don't want to talk politics with people because there are people that are, you know, whose politics can be the exact opposite of yours completely, it's twelve to six. And yet there are people that have lived lives that are so extraordinary. And so enormous in terms of what they give to the world and the planet. And you think, well, you know, why would I, like, ever want to get, how do it, it's a mystery, you know, it's kind of a mystery.

27:11But it's, if you don't, like, value that first instead of your kind of political, you know, handkerchief, you know, you're, you're making more of a mess, you know. That's kind of what's, you know, that's, that's what I feel a lot about what's going on. And anywhere, everywhere, you know, that people are leading with their, their handkerchief and not, they're, not with their whole self, you know, what they understand about what living is. I agree 100%. I think that we're just too tribly divided. And people look at it like it's us versus them. They enjoy the comfort of being a part of a tribe. They lock on to whatever ideologies the tribe support.

27:55And then anybody who opposes that is somehow another the enemy. And it's just a, it's a division tactic that's been used by the people that actually run the government, the actual world itself. The real people of this world, especially the people of this country, have mostly share the same common core needs. You want to be healthy, you want to have a good family, you want to be able to make a living, you want to live in a safe place, you want your kids to be able to go to a good school, you want everybody to prosper and have a good time. That's most of what life is. All this other shit that people get so goddamn caught up in, most of it has very little to do with you.

28:35And you get locked into it like it's 100 % of your identity. And the next thing, you know, anybody who opposes you is Hitler. And it just gets, it's true. It gets so toxic. His name gets me and he brought a lot lately, doesn't it? Yeah, it's a good one. You know what, but you sort of started it by saying, by bringing up that quotation of hunters, which is so, and I think about that all the time. I can, not, but I think about it regularly, like what was that, that force that that movement had, that anti -war movement, whatever that was, you know, it wasn't perfect, you know, it wasn't perfect. I think the thing that, if I had to regret anything or anyone regrets anything about it was, the sort of hostility that was shown towards the actual servicemen, most of whom were drafted, you know, to fight, you know.

29:28So those servicemen had an experience that I will never have. I was in a military movie. That's as good as it ever got for me. But the thing about being in war together with people is everybody hates war. And you could hate it more than someone that was there. But the sort of camaraderie that you had, as an experience, I'll never have that. I'll never have that thing that, you know, Rambo had, you know. I'll never have that thing. And I don't think that, I think that the sort of, there could have been more vision about who's, who we're talking to, or who we're talking to about whatever kind of change you want to make.

30:08And so that the agents of it are not necessarily the architects, like you say. The people who are making this tribal thing, they're not the agents of it. You know, they're the architects of it. And how do you jump over, or how do you, you know, excuse, or not excuses in the word, but how do you, unite, miss the people that are the agents who are just people that have a job or whatever it is. They're doing their work to survive and live whatever it is. How do you get to the architects with whatever you feel is, is that, what could be a shared experience, and get them to, like, sort of dissolve the creation of the tribal world?

30:54I think it's, you ask a great question. You know, you have people on here, I guess, that know, you know, or think about those things, and have the ability to do something about it. I don't think I have the ability to do anything more than something for myself, mostly. You know, it's just you. But you do, because you have the ability to express yourself, and you're an example. And a lot of times, when someone is a very reasonable, intelligent person, like you, and you express yourself, other people get inspired to maybe re -examine the way they're looking at things. Well, that's a nice hope, I hope, that maybe that'll...

31:26I think that's maybe one of the only things. Right back at you then, okay. Thank you. Because part of our problem in this country is that we're in competition every two years. Every two years, you have midterms, you have collections every four years. So we're not going to break. No, we don't get to break. We don't get to break from these people. No, we don't get to break. We don't get to break from division. We don't get to break from propaganda. We don't get to break from new threats. We don't get to break. Like, every day, it's a new thing. And it keeps us completely in this constant state of stress and anxiety.

32:00And also this fear of being overcome, like your side's going to lose. Yeah, five of all sleep to a real reason. Yeah, we're going to lose the internet. We're going to lose the internet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's very, very stressful, and it's not healthy for human beings to be constantly in the state of competition and stress. It's bad for, and then on top of that, you have most people are addicted to social media, so you're constantly getting inundated with the worst fucking things in the world all day long, and you're freaking out. It's terrible for you. It's fucking terrible for you. I mean, that footage made me cry.

32:34Now you're going to make me cry. Okay, no, it's, but it's, it's true. It's, someone's got to, there has to be some sort of a new, I don't know if it has to be a club, but, you know, there's got to be some sort of new, you know what, it used to be music. I think music played such a big part of, of whatever that movement was, whatever you call the piece movement, or the hippies, or, you know, whatever it was. It was, it was an extraordinary moment in time, and the music was part of the, part of the experience and part of the, it brought the message, and it sort of, it crashed through everybody's brain.

33:11You know, it wasn't, there wasn't a side to it. It's like, what were the soldiers listening to in Vietnam? Jimmy Hendrix, you know? Yeah, yeah. We were all listening to the same stuff, no matter where you were. No matter where you were, you were listening to the same music, no matter what your politic thing was. The music sort of told a story. I'm sure it's that suggested a possibility, so. And the music was so much different than the music of the past. Yeah. And it was like, you go from 1959 to 1969, you're dealing with a completely different dimension. And it's because it was all psychedelically inspired.

33:48And there was another thing that the Nixon administration did. They passed that sweeping, schedule one psychedelic act, made everything illegal, and just threw water on the whole movement. And then everything changes. Then you have the 70s, music starts getting weird, the 80s, it completely falls apart, cars start looking like shit, people start dressing stupid. Now you're talking. Now you're talking. It's a real language. Yeah. It's like when I never tied it all to the sweeping thing, but when you revisit that, you realize how much harm that did, that kind of lawmaking. But let's all agree that the cars don't look as good as they should.

34:29They look like... Who are those people that say they're really good problem solvers? I see them every once in a while, and they go like, how does he do it? He said, well, first I say, what can we agree on? Okay, so we can agree that the cars don't look so good no more. Well, they look good now. They used to be that every single year, every single car looked different than it looked the year before. And that's mind -boggling nowadays to think about that. And even now, the cars are made of... I don't know, plastic, what do they made of? Yeah, the man is shit. They're made of nothing. They're not made of steel.

35:00They did it with steel back then. Right. And now they're made with, I don't know, some sort of carbon something or other. And you would think they would be able to like, I don't know what a 3D printer is. I have to confess. I have no idea what it is. Well, I actually talked about it yesterday. I have no idea what it's really. The biggest one's four feet long. The biggest one is four feet long? Yeah, that's what Elon was saying. They're not. So can you make... You can't make giant things. You can't make anything big of a four feet. I don't think so. But I mean, maybe there's some like super -suffer...

35:32There's like seven parts that you have to replace. And also panels and panels and panels. But that's also because they're better structurally with sand impact. They have these crumple layers and they're designed in a way that makes it safer for you. They're a lot safer than old cars. And the old cars. And the sound systems are better. Yeah. But new cars look great. New cars are awesome. There's a lot of like really good looking American cars. A lot of really good looking German cars. What happened in the 1970s and the 1980s was a drop -off. A significant drop -off in the 60s. The 60s cars were some of the best looking cars of all time.

36:06I got a 65 Corvette. What a greatest looking car in the world. I think that was a 62 Corvette. Oh, those are beautiful too. Model 1, the first one, generation 1. But like, you know, the Camaros and Baracuda's like they made beautiful, wild -looking cars back then. And I think a lot of that had to do with just the way creativity was... encouraged in the 1960s. It was more free -flowing. The music was completely radical and different. Politics was radical and different. And that's why they passed those laws. They passed those laws to stop the anti -war movement. It was a civil rights movement. And the guy they were putting in charge was a man who had absolutely new qualifications.

36:49Who had no qualifications to do any of it. No. It's kind of a... I've got someone in front that's been trying to get me to do a movie about it. But the person responsible for making all the laws was someone who had absolutely no background in any of the fields. No knowledge whatsoever. Just a total huckster that got himself out in front. Well, they probably had a mandate. They gave him a mandate. This is what we're going to do. This is the plan. We're going to lock up all these hippies. I'll carry the flag. I'll carry the flag. Yeah, whatever it is. I'll run up the hill. Exactly. Yeah. Well, I heard that Buick is going to be a man.

37:29He's going to make a car. And I... this could be wrong. But I heard they're going to make a car next year. It's not going to look like any car ever. It's going to be like a brand new, whenever the hell, 25 or 26, Buick. And it's not going to look like the 24 or 5. It's going to look like its own individual thing. That they're going to try to re... To re... to recommence the idea of making a new car every year. You didn't hear this? No, I could completely new kind of model. Yeah, like the idea that you would make a car that didn't look like every... I mean, you can look at a car and you go like, that's a Volvo, but that part of it looks like a Mercedes.

38:08That part of it looks like an Infiniti. That part of the car looks like a Toyota. That kind of... you know, they're... Yeah. You've heard probably the story about the... once that car called the Ford that's going to... animal name. Lost thing? Taurus. Taurus. No, there's a story. No, it could be apocryphal. Okay. That's a Ford Taurus. You never heard this one? No. I thought you were like this guy. I had all the information. Taurus, he's a sh... Okay, Taurus. Well, the Taurus, yeah. The Taurus is like... It's not the most beautiful car in the world. Yeah. But it was a huge seller for Ford. They sold a lot of them.

38:42And the story is that these guys at Ford... designed a car and they took the rear -quarter panel from this automobile, the fender from this, the back fender from this, the rear windows from this, and just did a composite of all these different cars. And it's... Because the car was... This car is bullshit. And we'll call it the Taurus. And they presented it to Ford who went... We love it. And then proceeded to sell hundreds of thousands of them. And this is a story. Like, where's your phone calls here? Thank you. Call number one. You heard about this... No one's ever heard this story. No, I've never heard that.

39:24No. That's a lie. But it makes sense. You can believe it if you look at the cars that are... Right. But now that they are absolutely like... Look at that damn Volvo. It looks exactly like a three -year -old Mercedes or something like that. They're just really just... Steel. And... Jamie, pull up 2024 Shelby Mustang Super Snake. So there's still some cars. Better yet, Jamie. Roll it in here. Just check out what this looks like. There's cars that they make today that are unique looking... And look bad at. I wish I'd bought a Shelby back when I first had a paycheck. Oh yeah. There's such beautiful cars.

39:58Oh, look at that. Come on. Well, that kind of funny. Funny when I first look at it, it looks a little Chevy to me. It does a little bit. It could be like a Camaro. I mean, look at that. That looks like Chevy. I mean, that's a beautiful car though, right? Well, you know, they... That's a photograph of either of us from a certain age. No, no, I've seen that one in real life. That's a beautiful car. That's a beautiful car. That's better. Oh, and it sounds amazing. But I hate to hit anything with that thing. In what way? I would hate to bump in anything. It looks like I'd have to... Yeah, you'd have to replace it.

40:29It's weeks. That's true. Can you pick up that picture there? What's the rear look like? Oh, it's got a spoiler? Yeah. Come on. I... That looks... That's... That's fucking badass. That thing looks awesome. That looks amazing. Well, I think the original one is like the... Super coolest car. Oh, yeah. Oh, no doubt. I mean, if you go back and look at... Like, pull up a Boss 429, 1969, Boss 429. This, to me, is the pinnacle of muscle car design. Is the Boss 429. Like, that is just spectacular. So, look at that. Look at that. Well, that's pretty close to the bullet. Well, that's got that scoop in the front.

41:10Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty close to the bullet. You're right. The bullet car? Yeah. The bullet was 68. I actually have a recreation of that. I was watching it. You know, did you... They found the original bullet car? Did you know that? Yes. I was reading about that three weeks. I saw it was on TV last week. And I've watched it a lot of times. That movie. Because, you know, I think Steve McQueen's pretty damn good. But when you watch the movie, it's obviously the roaring through San Francisco and all that sort of stuff. It's famous for. And then there's the ending where there's... The sort of story ends when it's kind of a flaming crash.

41:44You know, it's kind of not really kind of an ending in a way. But, watching it this particular time, it was all the moments in between all that that really make the movie. Yes. All the quiet in between where he's in the grocery store. Yeah. It's the gurus, the mailbox. He's seeing these people and these people. And he has this very quiet inner self that's dealing with people very respectfully. And his blood pressure only moves. The needle only starts to move when he gets with the bad guy, Chalmers, who's obviously a fraud of some sort. And he's got him like... He's seen him like not just as an actor keeping his cool, but as like a cop keeping his cool with like a person he knows is trying to use him.

42:30And those... Just watching that part of the performance and that part of the story was much more interesting. The first time I saw all that as its own weave through it, you know. Yes. That the car stuff had very little to do with what I was getting from the people. The car stuff was nothing. And his boss was a great actor Simon Oakland, I think his name is. He was great as his boss who said, I'm going to hold this till Monday morning. You know, that kind of guy. And there was some great acting in that. It's a really beautiful American movie like that. I'm so glad you brought that up because it's one of the things that I love about that movie and Le Mans, another great Steve McQueen movie, is that he had these moments.

43:16And you could do that in a movie back then where no one was talking for minutes and minutes at a time. There's a lot of music. There's a lot of quiet. You can pull it a lot of quiet. Yeah. It's just you're taking in this story, but it's very compelling. And sometimes there's not even any music, right? And like in Le Mans, the whole first part of it, there's no talking at all for quite a while. It's just like you're getting the sounds and the feeling of being this race car driver. And he's driving is 9 -11 down this country road. Yeah. And it's it it it engrosses you in a different way. It draws it pulls you into the story.

43:53Is it bullet worries? Right. What movie is he driving like a Dune Buggy? Is that bullet too? Where's that no, that's the other one, the one in Boston. That's a pretty good movie too. Which one's that? Oh come on. They remade it. Oh the. Prasid. Thomas Cronifer. Yeah. And obviously he's having time, you know, so probably we shoot some stuff in a Dune Buggy. In base, can they have like a hold down there? Yeah, this. Yeah. And he's having a time. And meanwhile, he's got fade -done away and they're going, I hope that's fade -done away anyway. Rowing around and he could really drive, right? He got really driving.

44:33Oh yeah, like really drive. Like you could really flip one of these fucking things if you're driving like, For sure. For sure. Yeah, he's going sideways. And she is, she is having the time of her life. Look at that spinning it out in the water. With a movie star who doesn't even have a seat belt on probably. No, they didn't have seat belts back then. Jesus Christ. Well, she might have a seat belt. She looks like she's probably. But that was cool. He was like the archetypal movie star. He was a movie star. That guy was a movie star. There was something about him that was compelling. He lived his life in a sort of wild, renegade way and drove race cars and he was a man's man.

45:12And when you saw him in a movie, you believed it. Well, I've been watching, I've come to be watching all the old cowboy shows on the satellite. I watch all the old cowboy shows and one of them, that our life was always a super cool show. And I've been watching it just to see what the hell is he up to? I mean, he is just, no one was getting away with that. No one was doing what he was doing, which was so small and so slight. He was really preparing himself to be a movie actor. You know, because his performance is so controlled. He's so in his skin, you know. And he's always got like a piece of business to do.

45:51He always had a piece of business to do. Like something to do, like the way he like strapped on his goofy sawdoth, rifle and stuff. You know, you keep thinking it's a sawdoth shotgun. It's a sawdoth rifle. So just all his moves were very little. His face gave very, very little way. He would do a half -pout kind of stuff. And it's just fun to watch him see how little he could do and get it done. Yeah. And I like that about him. But he always had like kind of challenged himself to do something physical. Like so if he'd be talking to you, he'd have just even that, even something like that to get like, you know, come in here.

46:34You know, he was just the way he did it was a guy who had a real natural way with his body. It was fun. Yeah, well, he would just draw you in and all of his films and just like in a way that was, it was just different. It's like it was a different presence on screen. Here's that guy. Sawdoth rifle. See, it's a sawdoth. It's not a shotgun. It's a rifle. Hmm. When he had, see that little stick. He's got, he's got to, so it locks in and then swings back. So he could actually, if he wished to, I'd better hope he better not wish to against you two. He could just sort of swivel it and fire while it's still attached to his waistband.

47:13I never saw this show. I didn't even know this show. I didn't know it existed until right now. Kind of a citizen already. I am a little younger. That's all it is. Well, you can find this. There's these new cowboy shows channels. There's, you can, there's like four channels. I have direct TV and so you can go and watch that. That's a famous guy. That's, oh God. Oh, who's that? Oh, that's killing me. I know who this guy is. Well, I don't know who he is, but I recognize him. Help me somebody. Who's that guy? Jamie will find it. Anyway, there's a few channels. There's one called INSP. There's also the cowboy channel.

47:56There's also channel 364, 304, 323. Is this 81 direct TV? Direct TV. And they're all, and you can, and I just go through going like, whatever I got to find. So I can see the rifleman. Oh, yeah. I remember that. That was a great shot. Oh, yeah. But he had a full length rifle. And that was Chuck Conner's, who once upon a time was a Chicago Cub. He's a baseball player. Oh, really? And allegedly did some art films. But also, he was good too. Chuck Conner's was good. The lone ranger. Oh, yeah. Sure. And that was, come on. Why can I remember his name? But there were some lone rangers. The lone ranger came on.

48:38And then the guy, I didn't realize it. Because there's some lone rangers where it's not our lone ranger, being the lone ranger. And who wasn't as good as our lone ranger. And then our lone ranger comes back. And it turns out, it finally figured out that he, he sort of went on strike. He said he wanted a contract raised after the first season or something. And they like said, no. They went ahead and made a season with this other guy. And people went, when are you going to kill off the lone ranger? You know? No offense to that man's family. I'm sure it paid for somebody's college. But, come on. I almost had it.

49:12The guy's name. Yeah. Jamie will find it. Jamie, you know, a lot on your plate. I switched over to the lone ranger. I was looking at people that were listed here. I'll give you this one better line. There's a few people listed here as guys. I actually saw him someplace. He came to one of these names. Michael Landon. And I landed Warren notes. Warren notes. I was looking at. Definitely not Coburn. No, it's none of those guys. Lon Cheney's misspelled. All right. But it's not those guys. Coburn's in there twice. A lone ranger here. One of these guys maybe? No. All right. See, it started on radio first.

49:47That's what you're getting. You're pulling up radio. That's how fair back you're going. Clayton Moore. Clayton Moore, thank you. I saw Clayton where he came to a jewel food store in Euras. The lone ranger was going to appear. But he was not allowed to wear the mask for whatever the hell. So there he was. And I'm like, Mom, that's not the lone ranger. You know, whatever the hell was. But it was funny to see Clayton wear without a mask on. Imagine a contract saying you can't do personal things. Well, no, it was like, he was, the lone ranger was copyrighted. You know, no, no. He was from Sunday. You know, so he could go and be right on an elephant.

50:21I think I may have seen him writing on an elephant in a parade once. But also without the mask on. But we, I should talk about movies. Because I'm close to talking about movies. Yes. Since we start talking about movies. Tell me about your movie. I'm, I'm, I got two movies. I have three movies. I'll work backwards from the one which is least, which is farthest away. I did one with Wes Anderson called the finition something. That's the tiles. You know, I'm sorry, Wes. The finish, you know what it is? The finition scheme. The finition scheme. And I mean, I have a lot of trouble with names. No, it is.

51:00But the guy who did the set design, can you figure that out? This guy is the most famous. He is the best there is now. These are the most beautiful sets I've ever seen in any movie. Come on. It's coming. I'm sorry, everybody, but I just haven't been getting enough sleep. No worries. Anyway, the power. That's a great movie. That we shot that in Berlin. And there's great people in it. It's got, I want to say to sure I'm a funny, but it's not. It's the guy who played J. Come on. Don't come on. Help me out here. Are you for you? Look it up. Jim, you get back to us with this. Anyway, that movie's coming in a bit.

51:40Who? Benito. Yeah. Benito is really good. He's really good and he's really cool. And Michael Sarah, right? Is he the third? Did you say Benicio? Benicio D 'Ottaro. Yeah. I said Benito. You said Benito. He said tomato. If you're in loading as well. He was awesome in that. He's great. He's great. He's everything. He's, are we getting on good? This episode is brought to you by Buffalo Trace Distillery. Actually have some Buffalo Trace cigars here. They just sent me. One of the world's most award -winning distilleries that's been making whiskey the same way for more than 200 years, made as a tribute to the rugged, free spirited pioneers who blaze their own trail to new frontiers.

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54:03All right. Yeah, Willem's got a good part, but it's really those, keep going, keep going. Benedict Cumberback. Yeah, they're all on the phone. Michael Sarah. Michael Sarah is huge and he's fantastic. Oh, he's great. Yeah, he's a really good guy. Michael Sarah, Benicio and Mia are they really the most important? Brian Branson. And they're great. Anyway, that's going to be really good. People who are always movies are like they are. They're all great. And that one's going to be very good. Then it was going to be funny too. Then I made a movie called The Friend, which stars, what's her name? Naomi Watts and a dog.

54:40There's a huge dog. Are you a dog guy? I love dogs. Okay, so there's a massive, really big dog. I mean, it's pretty much as big. There it is. There's Naomi. And there's the dog. The dog is, that is that big. See how big it is? It's fucking huge. Yeah, that's the words for it. Yeah, that's a great day. And it's an amazing dog. And the script is great. It's written by, it's from a book written by a woman named Sigrid Nunez. And can you pop up on the titles there, maybe? What would know the other thing? Yeah, these guys directed it. These guys, Scott McGeehee and David Siegel, and they wrote the script from this book.

55:24And it's a great script. Nobody can hear you over there, unfortunately. Nobody can hear you over there. We're going to have to come back. Scott McGeehee and David Siegel wrote the script and directed it. And they're great. I love those guys. They made a few good movies. And this one's really good. And this Sigrid Nunez is kind of a big deal author. People know who she is that read lots of books. And what is the friend? What is it about? The friend. Well, yeah, there you go. So that's the question. Well, that's sort of the puzzle, a little bit of the puzzle of it. So who is the friend? It's the friend.

55:56The friend or is the friend the dog? You know, the dog is represents something. So it's a little deeper than a lot of the ones we get to. But it's really good. It's really good. I like it. It's been to film festivals and people, you know, laugh and cry in the whole place. How do you pick things to do now? Like you've done so much. You've had this insane career. I'm going to tell you that. But let me finish the last one because today is now is your show live? No. Now comes up tomorrow. Tomorrow. OK, so this. So that's why I want to ask because this movie, the third movie, opens today, which is yesterday.

56:33And it's called Riff Raff and this movie that you have to see. You have to see this. This is really something. And this movie you should take 10 of your friends to and go see Riff Raff. It will be, I guarantee you, this one's a party. Tell me what it is. Well, there's a trailer for it up there. See, there's people. Let's play the trailer. OK. Put the hand on. We'll play the trailer. But there you go. Saps him headphones on. Oh. No slim jumps. Past you, I was even passing gas like a very sick infant. I got a breed all day. I'm sorry, Luffy. I had a lot of coffee, OK? Sorry. And then you used my name?

57:14Jesus Christ, Luffy. Yeah. Jesus said my name. You catch our names, Luffy, chance? Yeah. He called you, Luffy, and you called him, Luffy. Well, I overreacted. OK.

57:32Sun, we got to talk about Luffy. What did you do?

57:39Luffy! You want to go? You killed his son. You're going to kill us. What are you doing? I get horny when I'm scared. I'm married. Who cares? It's just not in this shitty wildlife, you know? Oh, oh. This is our son. It worked with young to be grandparents. All because your son couldn't pull out in time. You got houseguess. I would kind of cry, Steve, as a must kill. And what are we? Down there. Oh, my God. Can I get you anything? I'd sell my left tit for an Advil and a cup of coffee. You said what?

58:24Who was it, Frank? There was this food incident, Rocco, but pubes in my wontons soup. If it's OK, I would just really like to torture him a little bit if it's OK. Should I do that, Rocco? Yeah, knock yourself out. Oh, my God. Are we all going to die? Oh, no, let the show go. You don't have all night. Wait for me before you two start hitting each other.

58:56You know, once you start killing it, it's sort of becomes your de facto solution for every problem. What? Get off of me. Hi. I'm not going to. Come on, Steve. I'm not going to root. What's that? Chain. You're going to put something that hard to waste. Huh? That looks fun. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah, that's, they gave you too much as far as I'm concerned, but they always do though, right? I don't know. Some, not always, not always, but it's common. It's kind of nicer to see as a surprise. So, oh, so I did not see the trailer. It's OK. I mean, what are you going to do? But it's some people think I have my must see that, but I guarantee you this is movie is really, really funny.

59:46I love a movie where I don't get to see the trailer. I really do. I would say, yeah, you could say, oh, yeah, you could not show the trailer. That would be OK. I saw one that was like just the first part of that. And then this, they just saw the other, and I was hoping that was what it was, but this could have been. It kind of makes it seem like a little bit, pusta can't put on Asuka. You know, it's just a little bit too much stuff in it, you know, a little bit too much stuff for me. Maybe. Yeah, we can think about it. But anyway, it's good. It's great. Yeah. So Jennifer Coolidge has got some unbelievable things to say in the movie.

1:00:24She got some amazing things to say. And Ed Harris is really, really good in the movie. Pete Davidson, who I had no idea about, we were sidekicks in the movie, and we had a very good time, did some good stuff. This Louis Pullman, who's Bill Pullman's son, is really good. I mean, and the, a manuela, she got to tell you, and pusta Keeney, like that. She's just wonderful and beautiful. And Gabby Union, I call her Gabby, Gabrielle Union. And Miles is last name I can't remember because I just want to call Miles Davis, but that little kid in there. He has a, he plays the voice of the electric junior bunny show or something like that on Nickelodeon or something like that.

1:01:13He does like weird cartoon voices. Oh, yeah. So if you watch a lot of Nickelodeon cartoons. I don't need more. My kids are teenagers now. Oh, really? I used to. I used to. I could tell you all about Nihao Kailan. Oh, see, I don't know that one. I guess I, I guess SpongeBob, my brother plays the, the flying Dutchman. Oh, really? I'm on SpongeBob. Oh, wow. So I watched a lot of that, but that's about it. I don't know. I'm way behind. How do you decide what projects to pick? It's really just what, well, there are certain people like, like with people that I've worked with before, there's some like Wes Anderson is one and Jim Jarmish and Sophia Copa are others.

1:01:59And those three people call and say, I got something. I just say, okay, when? You know, that's because I know I, I know that they're, I know they know what I can do and they know they, they look out for me and they treat people well. I love them as people and I love them as artists. So that's just a thing. But the other ones are more like, are like, you have to read the script. Because people, you know, the script is pretty much, if the script's not there, I mean, you know, I can always help improve a script, but if the basic thing is in there, it's like, I don't know, I was scratching it one the other day and I'm writing, I'm like, what the hell am I doing this for?

1:02:43This is just terrible. Every page is like, so, but if it's not good, and usually, you know, you know, in like five pages, you know, whether you're not to even continue reading the script at all, you know. So, so a lot of it's based on relationships and people that you trust. Only those are very few. There's only very few people that I have those kinds of relationships with. And I've done like multiple jobs with them. And they kill every time. They're good. They're really good. So when they call, it's like, I don't, you don't have to waste my time telling me this story. You just send me the thing, you know.

1:03:19You don't have to waste any time I'm in. You can count on me. That's it. So that's it. I love that. Yeah, I do too. It's, it's, it's, that's such great feeling when you trust someone that much. And you're so enthusiastic about working with them. Yeah, it means like great. And you know, like people make the living, the making of a movie part of their living, you know. Like Wes is probably the most extreme example in that. Like we all live in a quasi dormitory. You know, we take over a small hotel in some, in some city and all the actors and like the key crew live in the hotel. And you come down for breakfast in the morning and people pad down in their slippers and their GMIs and they have coffee and stuff and they look at the newspaper and say, what are we doing today?

1:04:05And then they like pad back up the stairs and get on their clothes and they go to work. And it's cool. It's really nice. It's really as like what you always thought it would be like in the old days. Like what if we all lived in a dorm and we were just being funny all day like that? Yeah. What was it like working on King Pen? Well, those guys have more fun making movies than anyone. They really make it fun. Like I remember like in between shots on King Pen, we'd be on the side of a road somewhere and it would be like everybody's got to pick up a rock and we got thrown at that telephone pole. You know, who's going to hit the telephone pole with a rock?

1:04:46So we would sit there and like, I don't know, $1, $10, $100, whatever it was, we're throwing and somebody's got to hit the rock. You know, and then people like that blood cash and pay. Because it's just like we just got to keep this thing going. You know, we're not going to let the energy of this thing drop. Just fun. Keep the fun rolling. Fun. Yeah. And just creativity and always being loose and always being physical, always being, you know, a connected attached, you know, not just attached but connected. And entertaining, entertaining each other, you know, really making this fun. God damn it.

1:05:22We are going to have fun or else. You know, if you don't have fun making a comedy, you've just made a bad movie that's not funny. Yeah. Well, it comes off in the film. The film is so fucking funny. It's so good. And it's one of those films like you tried making that today. It would be an uphill trudge. Well, you know, and that's like one of those things. They had a moment on Saturday night live in In Memoriam thing. They said, oh, so I was there the week of the thing. I said, yeah, so and so I was working on the In Memoriam and I'm thinking, who's gone? Which reminds me? Who's gone, you know, and no, it's not who's passed away.

1:06:01It's what we can't do anymore to be funny, you know. Right. So it was like all these kinds of jokes. And so it was just a whole clip. I didn't even see it, but I just, I saw a little bit of it being assembled. But it could be 40 minutes long, you know, just all the sketches that you, people would, you would get like, you know, internet. You know, responses like we're going to burn down the city in the yard. It could be hours long today. Yeah, hours long. Yeah, I'm short with 45, but it's, but some of the funniest things ever done, you know, like head wound hairy. Yeah. You know, once it was one that, not many people think about, but how, you know, like somebody would eject with dog eating a brain wound, you know, like licking like the blood coming out of someone they skeletal wound.

1:06:44You know, but someone told me on the way here, a friend of mine, a musician in my exito, who said he listens to your show. He said that you knew Phil Harman. Yeah, right. What did you do with Phil Harman? News radio was a sitcom we did together. Okay. I didn't really watch much in news radio, but it was a 94 to 99. I played the sort of like the maintenance guy in this radio station and Phil was the lead anchor and yeah. Did you resent him because you were doing maintenance and he was the lead anchor? No, no, it's joking. So, and where was it on CBS? NBC. NBC. Yeah. And so he was the news anchor.

1:07:26Well, he's got the crazy voice. He was great. Yeah. He was, we became really good friends. He was a wonderful guy. We actually played one of his clips the other day. We had to take it out of the show, but it was a clip from S &L that you could never play today. About a doctor who decided that every child was female and he had to do operations on all of them. And we were like, holy shit. Holy shit. And it's like, you know, 90 % of his births involved in operation, turning it to a girl. They were all girls. It was insane. He was great. Yeah. He was really good. But he was, I worked with him. I mean, I did sound like I guess when he was there, but he was in the movie we made called Quick Change.

1:08:10And he was like sterling silver. It was like every single take was just like perfect. And it was so much fun. And you just go, feel that was so great. And go like, he was so kind of modestly proud of like, yeah, I felt pretty good about that. Yeah. It was really nice. He had real, real modestly. Yes, he did. Well, he was a guy who made it late in his career, you know, late in his life. So he was before he was an artist. We have one of his albums out there in the other room. He was a musician? No, an artist artist. Oh, I'm sorry. Well, he was a musician as well. And I didn't even see a musician.

1:08:49But he did have one of his albums. I was looking at vinyl today. So that's why I went into my head. It was a cover of an album that he drew. Oh. Yeah. And he was an illustrator. He was brilliant, like really, really good. I love to see that. And then he was on Peewee's playhouse. Yeah. Maybe he'd rest in peace. That guy was peace. That guy was fucking great, too. And the lady, I didn't really watch a lot of Peewee's playhouse, but he was a funny guy. That guy. And his lady sidekick died this week or something. Oh, there's a lady sidekick. I don't know. On Peewee's play. I'm not on a day like that.

1:09:23I didn't see that. I didn't see that. Who? Lin Marie Stewart. Yeah. So, Miss Yvonne, I believe. All right. Lin Marie Stewart. Lin Marie Stewart. Lin Marie Stewart. See, I didn't. Oh, I guess I'd recognize her if her face were a bigger head. So I think Phil, because of the fact that he made it late in life, like he was just so happy to be here. It's a perspective. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it was like 37 or something when he got SNL. You know, so it's like, it's the point where a lot of people start thinking, hey, this is never going to happen for me. And then he was, you know, he was a hero.

1:10:06Yeah. And he could do a lot of things. He had a lot of chops. He had a great voice. And he could play straight and, you know, playing, doing comedy, his ability to play straight. And he could really do it. Yeah. Well, I missed that guy. He was good. He was a good guy. Yeah, I missed him terribly. That was a crazy one, because I knew the whole family, I knew the wife, I knew the whole situation. He had tried to divorce her a few times, tried to leave a few times. It always went back. And that's also the guy. He would go back and keep trying to make things work. Yeah. I mean, he was a very unusual guy.

1:10:54And what a fucking professional. Like, you'd make me feel like I wasn't doing enough. Like, he had all of his scripts would have tabs for all the scenes that he was in. And they'd have notes underneath each thing. And everything would be organized. He had a three -ring binder you'd put the script in. Well, that's going too far. Who would hold punch the moment he got the script. Why? Put it in a three -ring binder. Oh, yeah. No, he was. See, I didn't have that much face in the scripts. I knew they were going to change a lot from Wednesday to Friday. If it was a big scene, I knew they would rewrite it the next two days.

1:11:23Well, they were trying, because it's hard to unlearn. Yes. So I would not learn. Yeah. Because if unlearning is really hard. Yeah. Like, if you have a sketch that's this long and all of a sudden, this long, you got problems. Have you ever met Dave Foley? I think so. He's one of the guys from, yeah, I saw him. Yeah. He goes out with my brother Joel. And he sings. They do like an improv thing called Whose Line Is It Anyway. Oh, okay. So I never, I only met him recently. I met him recently. I finally saw my brother's show that he goes out with Whose Line Is It Anyway. Right. With Greg Proops and all those guys.

1:11:59And they, and they kill. Yeah. I mean, there's, you know, I knew they were, I knew they were going to kill. Because I know how good my brother is. It was an improvise. He can, you know, if you, if you get good at it, and my brother is really good at, far better than I, I ever was or what could hope to be. Because he's really kept at it. And so he really goes and goes hard at it. He's really good at it. I knew that they would kill. I didn't realize how much fun the show would be from an audience perspective. Like they drag a lot of people up on the stage. And I think, well, that can go any way at all.

1:12:34Yeah. And they managed to get, I mean, the show I saw, they had people in the audience that probably should have been hired. They were, that was funny. But the, there's something about the uncertainty of bringing up someone from the audience that raises the energy level and the expectation and the possibility. Yeah. And the crowd goes crazy for it. And the actors, the performers go crazy too. Because it's like, God damn, they just killed us. They just came up here and murdered us. Yeah. And that's where the, that's where the real fun is. So they're, they're enjoying themselves. Well, it's a tight show.

1:13:10They've been doing that show for so long. Like their muscles are like very developed. That, you know, they're comedy improvisation muscles. They're just so sharp. When you do a show like that on the road constantly, like you develop a sort of feel for how to improvise and how things can go. Well, you're fearless. And, you know, you're certainly, you're anyone that's ever been in that racket knows you can't be afraid of dying. Right. So if you're not afraid of dying, let's go. Yeah. Here we go. And anything, and there's a handful of you. So it's, it's like the Magnificent Seven. If I don't kill you, he will.

1:13:44Right, right, right, right. So, if I don't kill you, he will. Yeah. So it's, it's fun to watch. It was really fun to watch. Finally see it live. I'd only seen it on television. See the live show was cool. It's, I recommend it to, they, they're coming to a town near you. Yeah. If you're living in a show. It's great to see them. It's great to see it if they're coming to you. Dave Foley, who was on Kids in the Hall, was, he was also on News Radio. Oh, okay. He played the manager, the station, who was in charge of writing it. It's on the show. So I, Stephen Root from Office Space and a million other things.

1:14:18Andy Dick, Moratirney, Vicki Lewis, Candy Alexander. I know a lot of those people. Yeah. So that was the show. Well, that was, so how it ran five years. Yeah. Well, around four years and then Phil got killed. And then that's what ended it. John Loveitz, who was a good friend of his. I would take it over. Took his place. Well, not take it over necessarily. It was a real ensemble. I mean, Dave was really like the main star Dave Foley was. But it was, it just, you know, for whatever reason. The John, I think that John Loveitz ones were really funny. They were really good, but it was just. It's just different funny.

1:14:54It was just the end of the line. The show was over and it got canceled after the fifth year. Yeah, there's something about the, it was like that was said. And I lived the fifth year. It's like, wait a second. High school is only five years. Why should, why should this show be a little? Five years is a long time. It's a long time. I know it's amazing to think. Yeah. We thought like five years this is it. We're done and goodbye everybody. That was 45 years ago. Who the hell thought that would happen? I mean, is it the longest running show ever on television? I think the today show is the longest run.

1:15:24Oh, is it really? Well, interesting. I had to guess. Certainly the longest running show that's actually entertaining. I mean, SNL has been around for so long. Don't tell L. Roker that, buddy. Can I take a break for a second? Yeah. I'll be right back. Take a leak. Be right back. You're in charge. Check out this table. I'll do a little bit. See you in a bit. You have so much cool stuff on the walls. A lot of art. Do you do shows where you walk around the show all the stuff? No. Really? No, no, no, no. I just, it's personal. It's just for us. For us and the guests. Well, there is a photograph in the men's room.

1:15:58I didn't. Which one? Check. It's Presley. And it looks like it's a mug shot. It's a fake mug shot. So what it is is he went to the White House. And he met the next thing. Okay, the gun thing where he gives Nixon a revolve. Yeah. He gives him a bottle. Some flotter. Potomatic pistol. Yeah, what did he give him? And Nixon gives him a drug badge to be a drug agent. You know, no, that's right. I forgot about that part. He gave Presley a gun badge to be a drug. Presley would talk shit about all these guys who are doing drugs. Meanwhile, he was high as fuck. Well, he was in pain, you know. Yes. He was in pain.

1:16:34He had physical pain, you know. What was the physical pain? I was wrong with him. I think he did the splits a lot of times. You know, like Chevy's, you know, Chevy heard himself falling, you know. Oh, yeah. People have pain. Presley had, I don't know, I don't remember all the facts. But Presley had physical pain. And I keep, I don't know what is back or something like this saccharilliac or whatever the hell. And they got him hooked. And so he had like pain killers. Right, but it's just hilarious that he was the drug guy. It is hilarious. Yeah, it's, it's, it's like good, good fun. It's like a great American story.

1:17:08And like, yeah, you know, you just see the picture. There's a photograph that exists of Nixon handing him the badge. And I, you know, you can laugh looking at it going right. That's exactly right. Yeah. But, but, but, uh, yeah, there it is. And there's the damn badge, special assistant, special assistant. You know what I did see the other night? Did you ever see Frost and Nixon? No. It's a, uh, it's a movie that was made. And back in the day after Watergate, this is named David Frost. He was a British interviewer cat. And, um, he staged, he had this idea to, he was trying to like, he sort of lost his place in the universe of England, anywhere, or the world.

1:17:59And he came up with this idea somehow to, to, if he could somehow get an interview with Richard Nixon. And it's a pretty well made movie. It's pretty well made movie about it. And they paint Frost pretty much as like, maybe what he was like, money, whatever, sort of what the perception, my perception is, kind of what he was like. Not a perfect person, but, uh, certainly not, uh, you know, but certainly got some juice, certainly has some, some sort of idea of something going on. I should say that sounds very small, but, uh, he, he was, look, complicated. That's the, that's the cheating word. And Nixon too.

1:18:41And I just wanted to say the Frank Langella, who I only know from like doing, he kind of like a Broadway guy, and he did some horror movies. He's really good at Nixon. Very, very, uh, very, uh, very good at Nixon. And it's just a really well made movie. And I was, I was up in New York, and I thought, you know, I'm going to find Frank Langella. There it is right there. And tell him, so there's the guy who, I can't, don't know what this man's name was who plays Rust, I can't recall anything, but he's good. And there's Langella playing Nixon. And Langella is really good at Nixon. And Nixon's not easy to do.

1:19:14Does he do the voice well? He does him well. And you know, when you try too hard, I mean, here it is. Your personal lawyer came to Washington. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. But you said fucking good. It's good. Yeah, he's really good. So I never got around to finding out who, where Frank Langella lived in New York or, calling him up, but maybe someone who knows him, listens to your show, will say, hey Frank, you got to shout out today in Texas. Okay, it's great. He was great. He was great. He was Dracula too. Yeah. That whole Nixon Watergate story, I used to think about it very differently, until Tucker Carlson broke it down for me.

1:19:49Bob Woodward was an intelligence agent. And the first time he ever gets a job as a journalist, he's covering Watergate. The FBI, all the people that were involved in the break -in, FBI people, like it was a complete intelligence operation. Nixon definitely did the things they accused him of. But the whole thing was sort of coordinated by the intelligence agents to get Nixon out of office. Apparently, what the story was, according to, I can play you the Tucker thing if you'd like to see it. But apparently what the story was, it's not crazy. Well, it sounds, but the story was that Nixon was digging into who killed JFK.

1:20:27One of the things that they wanted to set up when he was running for President is to make sure that Gerald Ford was his vice president. Gerald Ford was also on the Warren Commission. He was digging into it and they wanted to remove him from office. They set this up. They framed him. He did it. They got him out of office. Gerald Ford gets in. Okay, I got a shorter version. Okay. You're going to take me down to the Kennedy Road. And you know, where are we going there? With that one, I got Richard Belzer tapes I can play for you. Oh, I'm a fan of Belzer. I met Belzer. Belzer, I talked UFOs. The new guy is going to be there.

1:21:05Warren Commission stuff supposedly release all this stuff. Allegedly. But my question is what the fuck is going to be in there? Good call. Allegedly. I like that. It's not going to be, hey, this guy did it. Here it is. No, here's the way I see the Bob Woodward strike. See, you said, what did you say first about Nixon? How about your way of looking at Nixon? The way I look at Nixon and part of it is seeing this. I like this way that I will love the way, Lynn Jell did this. I thought it was really well done and made a character of him, you know, written by person of him. But to me, I feel, here's what I feel about Nixon.

1:21:50He was hard to care for. He ran against JFK who was everybody's, you know, my hero. And my father actually pushed me into John F. Kennedy in 1960. You know, just pushed me into the crowd and just pushed me up so I could touch up against him. Now I'd have been wrestled to the ground. But back then you could do that.

1:22:11Anyway, you know, I felt like Nixon was, you know, and certainly knowing Hunter and knowing all of the history of Nixon and whatever. Nixon wasn't my guy. Oh, great. He was not my guy. No, I'm not defending Nixon in any way, shape or form. In fact, I talked about Nixon before that I think he's the problem with the whole psychedelic, drug legalization act. Yeah, we agree with that. So, but however, when I read Wired, the book written by what's his name Woodward, about Belushi, I read like five pages of Wired and I went, oh my God. They framed Nixon. All of a sudden I went, oh my God, if this is what he writes about my friend that I've known, you know, for half my adult life, which is completely inaccurate, talking to like the people of the outer, outer circle getting the story.

1:23:05What the hell could they have done to Nixon? I just felt like if he did this to my friend like this, and I acknowledged only read five pages, but the five pages I read, you know, made me want to set fire to the whole thing. Jamie, if you could find those five pages, I went, if he did this to Belushi, what he did to Nixon is probably soiled for me too. I can't take it. And I know you say, well, you could have two sources and everything like that. But the two sources that he had, if he had them for the Wired book, were so far outside the inner circle that it was criminal, cruel. And the reasoning for it is that the most famous person ever to come from Wheat and Illinois is John Belushi.

1:23:53The second most famous person to come from Wheat and Illinois is Harold Red Grange, the football player. And the third most famous person to come from Wheat and Illinois is Bob Woodward. Really?

1:24:13Wow. So there's all my controversy for today. That's all I got. I got a bone about that one. You know, I got a bone for Woodward ever since I read that. Well, once you see it from something that you know, you know, once you see propaganda or bullshit from someone that you know, and you see a distorted perception, it really, it opens your eyes to the fact that a lot of the things you read are horseshit. I mean, like Belushi made people's careers possible. He made people's careers possible. Mine would be one of them. All the people that he dragged to New York, he went to New York first. He broke into New York.

1:24:53He took over New York. And he dragged all of us from the second city, you know, to New York. He's the one that got everyone there. And there are musicians and lots of them that will thank Belushi for the creation of, you know, the revivification of the blues. And for like the fact that there is like a house of blues chain, that blues players can go and play. And there are all these venues that wouldn't have existed without Belushi. You know, he did a lot of things for people. He did a lot of, there's a lot of people that slept on John Belushi's couch. There's a lot of people that stayed for free at his house until they made it in New York.

1:25:31And I'm one. And any, you know, you know, he died in an unfortunate way. But the men when he was, he was the, still the best stage actor I ever saw. He was absolutely magnetic. He couldn't take your eyes off him. And he did a lot of wonderful things for each other. He was a short hitter. Guy could only drink like four beers and he was drunk. So the idea that he died of an overdose is hilarious. Like that's what my brother said. He said, what do you have four beers? You know, he's John's dead. What do you have four beers? Because he was not really much of a drinker, but, but it was drugs, right?

1:26:06It was a truck. It was people. It was a speedball. Yeah. What was this? And it was this, I believe it's, it was my knowledge was like the first speedball I ever had. Jesus Christ. So what was the woodward interpretation? What was his version? Oh, it was just, he was just, he was talking to people like, wait a minute, you're telling me that that guy over there, that guy who's that far away from the center of things is telling you the facts about John Belushi, that guy way the fuck over there is telling you who John Belushi is. It's like, wait a minute. And you can contact any of you guys? Well, I didn't, I didn't want to have anything to do with it.

1:26:41I would, I would have nothing to do with it. I didn't like the, it smelled funny from day one, you know? And, you know, Judy wanted people to talk and I was like, hmm, sorry. Man, I know where this is going. And what, and exactly where I thought it was going. I even worse somewhere I thought it was going. Even just the title alone, you know? It was just, it was cold. So it was just exploitation of his death? You know, I, you would have to hold me down and burn my feet to make me read more of it. So I couldn't say that it's exploitation of his death. But, you know, guys at write books come up with, you know, Bob Woodward's got a new title every 45 minutes for another book, you know?

1:27:27So, you know, you know, it's a very disturbing thing. It's just tough, you know, it's like, and like, so what do you, you know, that's, you know, like he really, in those five pages I read, he tore down my friend with, you know, I didn't see any, there was no compensation, there was no balance in the, in the five I read. And maybe, maybe I was unlucky, but, what's your, if that much was, to me was disturbingly ugly and like irresponsible to report. And then I can't imagine that I got so that I only found that. Yeah. But, you know, and I'm sure he's done, well, it does other things. I've seen him on TV and he can be smart and everything, but, you know, he's going to have to answer for that sometimes or something, you know?

1:28:22I think. Yeah. You know, it's just like, you don't get a free ride for, not with my friend. No. Well, you can get away with things a lot more back than when he wrote that book as well, you know? So, there's no other venues for people to express themselves. Back then, it was like, he writes the book, he does the interviews for the book, this is the narrative. Yeah. Bob Woodward, like one of the squares guys in the world gets to tell the story of what it was like to live in the, in New York City in the 70s. Yeah. Really? In the late 70s and 80s? Like, like, he knew what the story was? Come on. Yeah.

1:28:59It must have been a magical time. It was cool. It was really fun. You know, it was a smaller city in a funny way. There was a lot more freedom. And it was, when I got there, you know, the town was broke, you know? You know, had to, just town was falling apart and, you know, the subways were rough. And, you know, people, you know, to me, it was exciting. I didn't know what the hell I know. I came from Illinois from Chicago from the suburb of the city in Chicago. Chicago was pretty, it was a city. And in some, it had its own hazards. You know, there were some more hazards. And where I lived in Chicago was more dangerous than I lived in New York ever.

1:29:45But, the city was, you know, the, the economic part of it and the infrastructure was, you know, like the subways were, you know, people complained about the subways. Now, it was like, wait a second, these subways are air conditioned and the windows close. Those windows, those windows were open summer and winter. And you've either froze or you had like metal shavings dust flying through in the summer with no heat, with no air conditioning. And, you know, if it's 97 degrees out, it's even hotter inside the crowded subway car, you know? So, it was also back when Times Square was Times Square. And it was cool.

1:30:24Yeah, Times Square was, is just as weird now, but it's just a different weird. They didn't, they sort of tried to sanitize it, you know, and it's kind of stupid. Now, I mean, now there's a lot more lights and everything. There's more signs. But the signs were always cool when they were neon, they were cool. Yeah. Now, there's just these glow lights and they just keep moving and dancing and, you know, it's, you know, people with like vision problems shouldn't be out. And people, you know, where are the people that are supposed to watch out for strobe lights? Yeah, epileptic. Yeah, epileptic. Yeah, epileptic can't walk through Times Square.

1:30:53And 42nd Street is, is blah, it's like dull, you know, back then it was like, wow. Yeah, it's a giant apple, bees. Yeah. It's a giant apple, bees with huge ads, giant LCD ads. But it was, it was cool back then. You could see stuff. There was real stuff to see. Not that there's, it's still real, but it's just a different real. There's a lot more, it's a whole international world now, which it wasn't back then. Back then it was just like the street survivors of the city at the very, you know, the physical center of it. And you saw some amazing things. And it was alive, certainly alive. Now there's, you know, you're crashing into, not exactly, WTUN, or not exactly like, a prize -made party.

1:31:42But like, you know, there's people with flags and, yeah, there's a lot to see. There's still a lot to see. It's still in New York City, New York. But back then, having that experience, being in that wild New York of the 1970s and then getting on SNL, how old were you? 26. Wow. That had been a fucking bizarre experience. Yes, it was a great experience, for sure. And, you know, you saw, you know, your life just changed dramatically from being, you know, unable to, barely able to pay rent or, you know, for, you know, car or telephone or anything like that, you know, to having a credit card. Like, that was a big thing, you know, credit card and a credit card.

1:32:45And, you know, we had to, because they wanted to, I wanted to say if we had this sort of a cab account with a thing called Skulls Angels, there was a sort of company within the yellow cab company called Skulls Angels and you could call them and they would pick you up anywhere in the city and take you wherever. And, which is, you just signed your name. You didn't have to have any money. And, I had a credit card and that account and that's all. And, I just went, lived for a couple of years like that. And, you just basically, all you were doing was going to work and going to sleep and going, and then in between, when you, when you'd have 12 or 15 hours, you didn't have to do anything, you go like, okay, let's go, you know, and then you go like, you go like, anything could happen, anything could happen.

1:33:31And, you could go anywhere in the city and you sort of had a sort of a thumbprint of okay, you could go into any place and people would come on in, you know. And, you got to, you know, really, you know, I mean, I probably could have done, you know, gotten more out of it, but I certainly got a lot, I put a lot into it, you know, I got a lot. An amazing kind of education, you know. I got an amazing education, but I guess today it gets back to the sort of, you know, I got to put my education to use is what I should say. I mean, in this kind of new challenging environment, I got to put what my education had to that point event to use.

1:34:21What was the adjustment like going from being broke to all of a sudden having money, being famous, lived in New York City, trying to make sense of this new reality that you live in? Well, I'll try to in order. Well, going, being broke was, oh, I should tell you, I'm here in Austin, Texas. This is, this is a Williamery golf shirt. I brought, I brought you, I brought you, some I got involved with these clothes, the clothes got involved with me. And that, that's me, that is I in that person right there. And I brought you pure shorts. Oh, thank you. I also brought licorice, which you don't want. He's a licorice, I don't know what to make of you trying to pass a licorice.

1:35:05Anyway, so anyway, the shorts are very, you're not too chubby, but the shorts are very forgiving.

1:35:15I actually have these golf shorts. I've been traveling. Well, there's, you know, they're kind of go. So are you gray? Are you a gray? I can wear gray. Yeah, sure. I wear that. That's what I thought. I thought you'd be a gray guy. Those are for you. Thank you very much. I've got my name on them. So if they get lost, they'll be returned to me. Nice. Yeah. Thank you very much. Okay. I'm excited. And wait, I got your shirt. I thought you might like this shirt because this set has this kind of has the range of possibility on it. Oh, yeah. It has a lots of, that kind of has a sort of a studious look for you.

1:35:45There's a lot going on that. There's a lot going on. There you go. There you go. Thank you very much. Yeah, you're welcome. I had, I have long pants too. If you want to, I think you're more of a short. Yeah. I'm good. Thank you though. Jamie's a gigantic golfer. Oh, yeah. Are you along? How? How tall? How tall are you? Six, one. Six, one. Yeah. Well, it's not that tall. Let's see. So you could, so you could, so we're the same sort of. And so you like white or make blue or black. Those are shorts. Well, no, are you a short guy or long pants guy? I like it all. It's usually hot in Texas. You love it all, huh?

1:36:22It's hot out here to play golf in Texas. It's hot. Texas gets hot and you playing golf. Usually. I bet. Well, but you can play all year here. How, how, how chubby are you? I'm not. I don't think it. Okay, well, the pants are pretty good. Well, here's the, you want the shorts? Yeah, give them the shorts. These are black. Nice. And that's the Murray Tarton right there. That's the family tartan there. There you go. Is that like from your family seal? Huh? That the tartan is a special to your family. Yeah, that's the Murray tartan. Really? Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Okay. And then so here. And then so you want a shirt?

1:37:00Sure. And see, I'm actually sure off this shirt. This is a shirt because my sort of brother had something to do with this one. This has got like all this stuff from Chicago on it. Oh, nice. It's got, I haven't even looked at this yet. Get cars. Well, there's get. It's like a pizza place. I don't know why that there's tamarines and stuff on it. I have no idea. But there's always a glass of beer for some reason. Is a drum. But there's a bunch of references to people we know and things we did in Chicago. And I see there's like the names of some character movie I played and then there's slew space.

1:37:32That's my friend Jeff Sloom and his a golfer. I think you're going to like this shirt here, Jamie. How's that for you? Oh, that's perfect. That's Jamie. Okay. What color pants did I throw at you? Well, I got some black shorts over here. Perfect. Black shorts, dark blue shirt. You're in. You can pull that off. Way to go high for that one. Thanks. When you stop Tony Hinchcliff in this inevitable match. Let's go. You'll wear that. Be perfect. There's that. How long you been golfing for? Well, the question is how long was I have a man getting for? So I started cadding when I was very young. My LRL's brother Edward started cadding.

1:38:10So Caddy Shack must have been a lot of fun for you there. Yeah. Well, Caddy Shack came, you know, my brother Brian was the, wrote the Brian wrote it with Doug Kenny, one of the really great funny guys from National Emputant and Harold Ramos who've been up directing the movie. But all the golf stuff is all Brian's, you know, memories of cadding. And the whole golf story comes from Brian. Sort of. I mean, they all write jokes, but Doug was in charge of all the fancy lad stuff. His dad was some sort of tennis pro sometime rather than Ohio. And Harold wrote the jokes that were left and shaped it and directed it.

1:38:49So you started off cadding. Yeah, yeah. I started as a Shack boy, which doesn't even exist anymore. There's a thing called a jam boy, which I don't know that really exists. My friend Duff insisted back in the day. There was a thing called a jam boy who walked around. I think it was a slave or something like it who walked around covered with jam to draw the insects away from the golfers. Now I don't know if that's true or not. We should ask your listeners. But I was, I didn't have it that bad. Of course, but a Shack boy was a golfers head what they call a Shack bag, which was like a small bag of golf balls, like a hundred golf balls or something like that.

1:39:29And they would dump them out on the practice tee. And you would run out there with the bag and they would, you would be the target. Okay, go out about 70 yards, 60 yards, you know, and then they'd start hitting. See, no, but see, that would be safer than what I was wearing. We didn't have that. But I was just out there. See, can you, yeah, but I was definitely out there and they would aim at you. And the thing was it would last for an hour or so. And you know, you're only, I was 10 when I started doing this. So, you, so your mind would wander and occasionally you'd hear like a ball land next to you or really close.

1:40:06I never got honked exactly on the head, but I definitely got hit on one bounce on any number of times. But you were just a target. And then you, they, he waving the next club and you go like seven hours, so you'd have to back up a little farther and then farther. And the bigger the club, the wider the dispersion of the ball. So you had to run back, you really had to run to catch up to where this bad golfer was hitting the golf balls. So that's what I was 10. And then like a year or so later, I became like a caddy. And then I caddy, always your high school payment with your high school. When you start playing.

1:40:41Well, if you, if you showed up to caddy on Sunday, you were allowed to play golf on Monday morning. So probably I didn't really play golf golf like that until really 12 maybe. Maybe a little sooner or later, but we used to play golf across the street from our house. There was like a line of telephone poles planted in grass, you know. And we would play from phone pole to phone pole. And that was the, that was the pin. So, but so that's it. And then I didn't really play. I mean, once I sort of, you know, made it through high school and then play for a long time until I made some money. And then all of a sudden you can play golf again.

1:41:22Because golf, if you're not cadding, it takes money to play. You got to at least play and be organized and have set of clubs and stuff. So I, um, I picked it up then. And now I like it. You know, I was going to give it up a few years ago. But then, you know, all of a sudden my son started playing golf. I was like, well, that's what you got to do. You know, I, so now I'm having more fun playing. And I've gotten smarter. Do you ever play golf? No, never, never, never. No, I'm scared of it. Because I think it'll eat up all my time because I get addicted to games. Oh, yeah. I play pool. A lot. Do you have a pool table here?

1:42:05I got a couple of pool tables here. I got one at home. Yeah. And what games you play? You play like straight pool. Nine ball 10. Yeah. You know, I should work on nine ball. I have a pool table. I mostly play what, you know, I mostly play with the thing about it is I know everybody who plays golf gets fully addicted to it and loves it to death. And I just don't have the time to get fully addicted to another thing. And you know, just being friends with Jamie and seeing Jamie's addiction. See what's happened over the last few years. He's become a maniac. He's got a golfing simulator in the back and really drives balls and yeah, yeah.

1:42:38A track man. It's in here. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, is it set up in the garage and he's whenever I come here? Do you live in this building? No, it's a big building, but we don't live here. We could. We definitely could. Maybe that's the next one. Maybe the next one will set up dorms. Maybe. Yeah, because there's always the rooftop. Yeah. Well, yeah, I guess I'm okay. Well, I don't want you to get addicted. Well, I just I've heard you're a very good golfer. That's why I'm asking. Well, just keep that like going, but it's. But I can play okay. You know, I've hit a lot of golf shots. What's like your handicap?

1:43:14Jamie will know what that means. No, it's no, it's about 12. The lowest ever was was about seven. Yeah. Means I can play a little bit. Yeah. And now it's actually it's what's the word diminishing. It's going lower because I've figured something out. There's a lot of things that I'm going to do. I'm going to do. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to I want to there's a great book. These ladies. I got a P Nielsen and Lynn.

1:43:38P Nielsen is an easy one to remember. But Lens with whatever lens I said, they wrote a great book called every shot must have a purpose. Do you every that one? Well, I should talk about them because they're they're they really are on to something and it's about quieting your brain when you play. Which I always thought I'd get better when my as my brain softened right seem to be happening. My brain was softening. It was maybe getting better. But not fast enough for me. And then I gutts, started following what these ladies had to write. There were onachis teachers at one time in onachisorenstam.

1:44:10She's a famous golfer Swedish. Every shot must have a purpose, and there's the forward basic onachis. Anyway, Lynn Mary out how can see I'm blocking that because it's a hotel name but and I and I didn't used to be a member of the Mary out club, but okay So that's a great book and they've written a bunch of stuff that they they're they know some stuff So what's that one Jamie? What is it change? It made me enjoy I enjoy golf I've always had a lot of fun, but that made me enjoy golf even more. How so like what is it? You know it's just it's decluttering you know it's like when you do it in your life and you You know you talk about with you know you mentioned distractions at the very beginning You know you think about all the things that can catch you you know to distract you And if you're trying to do something That's pretty straightforward whether it's Stir grits or So a line something or Or play a game of golf which ideally you only have to swing hit the ball like 75 times if you know if you Everything that distracts you from that is a is as a problem.

1:45:34So it's the ability to like sort of just pull the weeds out of your head is a Red of Japanese man say once and and and Attend to it when you attend to it. It's you know, it's a few hours to play a run of golf like you say it takes a little time But the actual playing of the game is only minutes The actual hitting of the ball is only minutes like an NFL game can take like three hours on TV But it's like 20 minutes of action right right? So it's similar to that in golf that or anything that You Have to sort of return to yourself to hit the ball. You got to come back Get it back together To hit the ball or do anything and so You set your you have the freedom in between the shots to move and to speak and tell jokes and smoke cigars and what I don't know you want to do But when you want to hit the ball, this is about You got to you're going to think make a little plan and you separate that You sort of Inculcate that you take it in and then you separate that and you step up and you hit the thing and hitting the thing is only hitting the thing and that if you can do that Then you start having real success with the actual hitting and the sort of joy of the sort of mind -body connection and all this sort of aesthetic All the kind of like you know almost spiritual things about a A mind -body exercise a game come to you know like You know when you're a great athlete say they're in a zone.

1:47:14They're not in a zone. They're Really conscious. They're really connected. They're really aware It is a it's more than a zone. It's it's like the ideal place to be right Right, and what is it about their writing that helped you like what is their philosophy that helped like steer you more towards being able to do that? Well for an example it's like something that can keep you in your body because you have to stay in your body I believe that anyway I already believed that but say so you've got this cradle here, right So imagine it's a golf ball one thing that they sort of say it was like you would you would just In between shots you would just take your golf ball if you're on a putting green or if you have a spiraling pocket and you just Toss it up and catch it toss it up and catch it that keeps Keeps you like physically aware of I've got to do this and this and that I've got to do these two things so I've got to have my attention in my body.

1:48:17I've got to stay home, you know So if you can stay in your body that it all begins in the body Everything we are everything we hope to be everything we dream about it's all within the skin So you got to stay within the skin so if you can make yourself come back if you can get yourself back inside You don't have so far to go to achieve your intended Goal, you know, right? You don't have to like drag yourself back from outer space. You're not dreaming over there I'm in my body already Some clothes, you know, does that make sense? Yeah, so and You know, I've had some discussions with PN. She says well That's what the great golfers are doing.

1:49:01They are Pulling themselves back into this thing. That's why they hit so many good shots is because they They're home, you know, they're home You know, and so that's that's sort of what I got out of her and I I Sort of learned and believe that from other venues, but I'd never had it put in With practical applications like like she gives they give For golf, you know, you think of golf is like oh, I can be willy nilly out here I can be fun or I can be aggressive or I can be competitive or whatever hell all that stuff is Real that's emotion kind of thing, but you if you're not in the body Good luck, right, and it's only luck Well, there's there's a great joy in things that take you away from the rest of the world because they require so much of your attention That's what I get out of pool and that's what I get out of archery to I practice archery But there's things that require so much focus while you're doing them and you have to be in your body You have to you have to be synchronized like I would imagine archery would be one of the more challenging Very challenging.

1:50:11It's very challenging because It's you have you're supposed to have as little movement as possible upon the execution of the shot And so there's all these strategies they started televising it lately. It's really cool to watch. Oh, it's very cool to watch And they've got them cameras are right on their face and just the torso just like this and you're like God dang that's beautiful. That's just close up as any Robin Hood movie ever had. It's just great No, I love watching it. I've watched it on YouTube all the time. This is Las Vegas shootouts where they have three targets And they have 30 different shots so they have they're trying to get an X 30 different times and they're standing next to the best archers in the world Everyone's at probably like 20 meters and they're all just focusing like dead still Completely calm focusing focus.

1:51:02Yeah, you can find it like go to Lancaster archery Vegas And they have they have what they call a Vegas face so a Vegas face is Like screens because you can't see the faces from a distance right no You don't want to get between the arrows. No, you definitely don't people bring binoculars all the yeah All the archers have binoculars and they'll pull them up after each shot because they're looking for precise Distances and then they'll make slight adjustments on their scope and their site and move and then they'll take a breath and come But it's just do you have one of those Yes, this is exactly as well.

1:51:43Things don't even look fair So these guys are all on this line and they're all firing and the amount of pressure is insane because Really the guy makes money out of this thing is the guy wins first place Everything else is not so good. It's not a lot of money in our journey look at the audience like about 60 guys Yeah, not a lot of audience right. It's not a crowd please so this is just for real Complete archery fanatics who are absolutely lost in this connection between your mind your body and the flight of the arrow The mystical flight of the arrow can you go back and freeze that There can you lose the line on the bottom?

1:52:22So that's just interesting to me to look at Yeah, like they're weight balance Mm -hmm look at like who's on his sort of half his front foot Mm -hmm, so it's interesting They have a little bit more weight on their back foot is that right? Well, we're catching this in in mid draw So he might settle Yeah, see that guy that you were looking at who was like that. That's got brazier on his back watch He'll settle so he'll draw and as he draws he arches back and now watch he'll settle forward So he's settled it was settling as the the angle change of the camera shot But they want to ideally be about 50 50 and you just Staying calm Keeping it as steady as possible and the wheelchair shooting.

1:53:04Yes. Yes. There's a guy that shoots with his just his feet The guy who doesn't have arms and he's unbelievably accurate. Yeah, he shoots with his toes So what these guys are doing is it's just a perfect balance of technique and focus and attention and They're actually trying to get what's called a surprise shot. They're not Executing the shot like you would like a rifle trigger Most of these guys use what's called a hinge and so that's what they're going for they're looking for it So with a hinge you don't you don't Make the hinge you don't make the release go off like with a button where you press a button It's just a rotation of the handle and you don't know when it's gonna go off So you draw it back here like letting go with your fingers?

1:53:52No No, you have a metal release in your hand that has a hook and the hook is attached to And so you're like by just rotating rotating it breaks And so the hook breaks and so see the or some of them use a thumb like that guy With the yellow and black that guy so he's got a thumb trigger So what he's doing is he's setting the trigger the barrel the trigger right where his thumb is And he's just using the pulling of his arm to make it go off. He's not executing it with his thumb now There's a small That's why they all look different when they on the release. Yes, but they all There arms all fly backwards if you watch see how their arm moves backwards That's indicative of a surprise shot that means they're executing it perfectly So as they're pulling back is that they don't know when it's gonna go exactly They're just executing the technique which is the pull with the back muscles You're pulling with your rhomboids and then it slowly goes out right there See like that guy with that the black hat watch see his fingers.

1:54:55I was curling see how it goes off So that's just from his hand curling that's making the shot go off But they get it to the position or the area where it's gonna go yes, and they've got to be right They've got to be yes poised forward But the idea is if you think about it going off and you make it go off There's some sort of a recoil So there's some sort of an anticipation of that recoil and when you're shooting that precisely That anticipation of that recoil might make a difference of an inch or two left or right. Yes, that tension So you you try to not anticipate Yes, when you are doing that you do not think about anything else It clears your mind When you are just concentrating on that target you cannot think about your bill So you do it yes, and when you when a thought does come into your head You don't hit the target.

1:55:49Yes, but it doesn't come in your head. It can't it's too hard The the process of aiming is so engrossing when you lock in place and you're aiming and then you're pulling back with the shot like You're all in you're all there Especially if you're good if you're good That is the only thing you're thinking of and there's a moving meditation aspect to add a cleansing of your mind Your your worries go away your thoughts the things that are bugging you and I gotta do this and I gotta call that guy back and All of it goes away because it's so engrossing it requires so much. So how do you affect that yourself?

1:56:28How do you how do you move that away from the Incidental thoughts that pop in well, it's just the difficulty of it Yeah, it's a difficulty out of it actually sort of facilitates your Meditative mindset Because if you're gonna do it right there's no other way to do it You you literally can't be thinking about other things while you're doing it well It's it's not on like golf like if you're thinking about what you're gonna pick up on the way home exactly Same as pool when you know I play pool at a pretty high level like I bet that book would be very beneficial to me I bet there's some techniques and strategies of how to focus Yourself and completely remove yourself from the rest of the world and just think about this mind body connection And this the execution of this thing that you're trying to do All right, I'm gonna try to do that I know I You know, I don't play enough pool And but I did I had to I had to shoot some pooled in Groundhog Day So I got with I like a guy who's a pool expert and he just gave me drills to do do members name no But if you remember, he should say hi anyway, he taught me a bunch of things And I was very I'm still very disappointed because when I we actually shot the scene I think I made I think I sank I think I shot I think I sank like nine balls and seven balls eight balls in three shots And I went We got that and the and the center of charge was like Well, let's set let's set it up here.

1:58:06I'm I'll set up a different. I said what are you talking about? He had half of the table Oh, no I'm gonna take a leak. Okay, you want to wrap it up? We can wrap it up. No, that's okay. Okay. All right take a leak and come back All right, I keep asking many suggestions. They say well tell some stories You should never ask for sick. So where do you come from? I was born in New Jersey Went to high school in Boston lived all over the country lived in San Francisco for a while when I was a kid Florida. Is that were you military or something? No Mother got divorced married my stepfather. He was going to school went to San Francisco for that and then Florida and then eventually Boston Well, that's pretty good.

1:58:54I mean, I think I always want to live in San Francisco Well, I was in San Francisco during the Vietnam War and then I hide in the hippie days when I was a little kid. It's pretty wild It was a very interesting time to to be there, you know It was a crazy place Yeah, well, that's what hunter talking about think yeah, Finn. Yeah, my brother was there too He went to school out there at St. Mary's in Morocco Okay, and so but it turned out he was spending a lot of time in Berkeley Yeah, you know he wasn't doing that much studying but he But what a life he had out there. What a fantastic time to have been there And my other friend went to high school at that time somewhere around there and I I envy that and I I really like San Francisco and I I was there recently I saw a doctor um not doctor father Gredo Sarducci.

1:59:43Oh wow And had had dinner with he and with with him and and and Roman Coppola And we went to an old place called like macaroni or something like that Old Italian place and it was really delightful what a I just love San Francisco and I have friends who were like and we started talking about politics a long time ago like for publicities All San Francisco they've ruined San Francisco. I said well and so I was there and I know there's homeless people in San Francisco Now lots of them and they're and there's homeless people in Los Angeles and Santa Monica anywhere that it's warm Yeah, especially that in California is the most popular state, but I don't think it's a I don't think it's a political choice.

2:00:26I mean I think Isn't it? I don't know enough stats, but These people don't it's more of a mental health thing. It's definitely a mental health. So it's not anybody's politics that are making people crazy Or maybe well, it's but it's not making people live on this street But I know I just I'm sticking up for San Francisco saying it's still I mean San Francisco survived The beatniks it survived the hippies it survived the earthquake it survived AIDS it survived Yeah, everything it's like a resilient Extraordinary place, you know, it's still got a lot of extraordinary aspects to it The problem is they kind of encouraged people to the sleep on the streets and shit anywhere they want and they didn't do anything about it And they just really think they encourage people I didn't see the bill financially viable for them to do it.

2:01:15They give them money to do it They they they well that's like they're paying in the shit on this They're paying them so that they don't have to be poor or homeless. I mean they have a tent and they they'll help them to subsidize this this existence What they need is one mental health. It's a mental We've drug addiction in mental health. That's that's the real problem Yeah, and when you don't address it and then you just allow people to camp anyway you want You're almost sort of encouraging mental health problems to be everywhere all throughout and just be throughout the entire city It's just a lack of empathy for the people If you're empathetic for them, you don't let them just camp out and shit on the street What you do is you try to say obviously over a real problem This needs to be addressed for the greater good of the city and for these people They need mental health care.

2:02:03They need addiction care. They need It's a real problem that needs to be addressed Can't just leave them out in the street and let them do whatever they want and become a hazard for everybody else Then it makes this city kind of fucked up. Well, I don't know what the I mean You know when you talk when you speak it it's be it sounds like more of a political choice. No someone saying well it sounds like you're saying they're being You know paid to shit on the streets and being mentally ill I should on the streets They are like no illness happened first before living in the street unquestionably It's all during the Reagan administration when they opened up the mental health institutes and just let people out in the streets Well, it started before that in New York and that was my experience in New York was Like Rockefeller way back when and I could be wrong, but this that was attributed So to open up the mental closed up mental health hospitals and pushed These many many many people out on the streets.

2:02:59Yeah, that had nowhere to Nor to go and it wasn't like it wasn't a poverty situation although it looks like it when you look at it it's really a mental health situation and A great number of these people have no interest in going into a place right they would just as soon live on the street Their life is like an interior monologue that they can't control and And living in a home is no different than living on the street the thing is still going on the conversation is still going on inside the brain Was there has to be a solution for it? Well, okay, but so I don't disagree that right there has to be a solution But I know I don't think that people are This is sort of like where it you know, I'd like to think about let's not talk politics.

2:03:43Let's go like what we can agree on So that solution is like this is where the great minds of California or the United States need to come together and say okay, these are Why don't we solve these problems that are common to every every State has a city that has X number of people living on the street whether it's yankton You know whether it's you know Minneapolis whether it's you know lovel whatever everyone's got like a street scene situation that's rough like that and It's it's hard to say let's you know you say there's got to be a solution Where's it come where's that going to come from and who's going to believe it From if it comes from this direction or that direction or this side or that side how do you how do you like Evapuate the walls of separation and say like how do we get how do we get the right people with the right minds To solve these Questions, you know, these are these are real things and and people argue about them when I mean you and I are You know arguing but we're talking about yeah, and neither one of us is sleeping on the street right We both feel compassion for it, you know, and empathy for it but But how do you get people that are far removed and we could say we're far removed from it to like Allow the solution to take place from one side of the other one side any side who gets it in who's got right what has to be a Completely bipartisan thing Be we have to look at it in terms of the health of human beings in our community right that this country supposed to be our community These people that are on the street that they are sad sick people in our community and some real effort has to be taken to try to change that It's that of just enabled them to keep doing it.

2:05:37That's all I'm saying I just don't think that the solution is let them camp wherever they want You you're in the situation you had this Um, people called a a platform or a Place where you invite people to come here that are That can speak to lots of people. Yeah, how many people watch your show a lot So there's lots of people watching your show and When there's people that make sense it you hear it rings a bell, you know, it sounds right sounds like that I wish I knew the answer to To To solving these things and occasionally like I say I you see people with these problem solvers And the problem solvers come But you know people want to choose their own problem solver, you know, it's I know My money in being a problem solver.

2:06:31That's the problem One of the parts of the big parts of the problem in California in particular is that there's an enormous budget to deal with the homeless so you have these people that work in these Departments that are making quarter million dollars a year that are just working on the homeless problem Which keeps getting worse every year There's no incentive to fix anything or change anything and it's a bunch of bureaucracy There's a lot of bullshit that gets involved in the business A buddy minor is a lawyer who went to San Francisco and you know, he was disturbed by it all He was like this is so crazy like what what is missing?

2:07:04Do we need more funding and they're like no, you know And this guy explained to him no They literally have an incentive to keep the homeless problem There's an enormous number of people that are making a fantastic living in dealing with the homeless issue money on the homeless That's a giant list of people we could pull it up if you want to say well, we don't need to call them out But there's a bunch of people who makes money on the homeless the people that are involved in these Organizations that are dealing with the homeless whether it's in Los Angeles or in San Francisco you mean are they like government?

2:07:36Yes, they're all government jobs. Yes. It's all funded by the state and There's real jobs like real money and nothing gets done nothing changes in fact it gets worse every year Something needs to be done that shows results like what is that? I think it's got to be compassionate. It's got to be something that both the left and the right can agree to so here's so I'm trying to follow you Okay, I know as I'm trying so I have an hard time so no No, I think we were talking earlier about The agents versus the architecture something like that used to word that explained like the people who are like coming up with the sort of thing.

2:08:12It's like And I was watching something and I've really tried to avoid watching the news lady But I saw someone talking about and it was someone that works and you know, you say the word bureaucracy And it's it's a loaded word and everyone and we all hate bureaucracy. There's just a word of it. Yeah, gives you like a creepy feeling Frustrating word. Yeah, and so you know, it's like being unhauled for Amtrak or whatever the hell it is, you know, you know, there's someone Oh, please God come back. Okay, so Please God come back So the idea that and so there's this person was talking about The cuts that are going to come and to talk about Eliminating of bureaucracy and I don't know what particular department this person was No, that's not what this person was talking about.

2:09:00She would but she was saying I'm a different person. It's a different person I don't know what the person is this is my person. Okay, so my person is saying The bureaucracy is like the bureaucracy gets sort of like Fed from above somehow or other it's fed by these people that are the architects of one side or the other But the actual bureaucracy includes the people that can solve the problem like in case in this bureaucracy Are people that can solve the problems and that if you just sort of You know, I'm not saying this the case, but if you sort of just like Zip a bunch of the bureaucracy out You you run the risk of zipping out some of the people that actually have the brains to do the solutions and that and what this person said was the solution to the bureaucracy is within the bureaucracy that Is is is is finding the people that know what they can what what can be done because they really do Have the data they really do work they actually do show up for work And they actually have the data on how to do this thing but because it keeps being fed from above all the time there's just all this Extra jibbri and noise that keeps coming down that causes more clutter and more Splitting and more something yeah, so You know, I'm not gonna suggest that I could solve the question of bureaucracy to you, but I think there's something about What we have we have we have the people You know, I start I'm going to go off on tangents now, but I always kind of had an objection to Tom broke us book the greatest Generation because I thought like damn it.

2:10:44That's not my generation. Why how do they get that? You know what I did start reading some of it recently and he's to his credit He's finding people that are very singular in that generation That which generation is he referring? Well, he's talking about the generation that won World War 2 Okay And that generation was formed by the great depression, you know It was that was part of what they had and then they had a world war that lasted Five years and it's really hard for people of a certain age to understand You know, you like you think you have problems with your relationship Have your have your your lover go away for five years and see how well you're doing Upon that person's return Right see what the hell that's like for five years and like you didn't answer my letter.

2:11:32You know my letter Right Your letter what letter? You know that your letter never came you know I was under fire you whatever it was and then he come back shell shock and then you come back with shell shock on top of it And then back then the sort of kind of I don't want to say a macho thing But back then people just didn't want to talk about it which to me was there what is part of what created the hippie generation was Kids couldn't get their parents to talk about anything that they thought mattered Right they what their parents were talking about was like huh? Wait, what about the peace loving what's so wrong about peace love and understanding right right so And they couldn't get to that because Even the idea of peace was a completely different Concept to someone that lived through a world war yeah or live through a depression So though these kids were like I don't even understand who these people are I know I'm their flesh and blood But I don't know that I don't know what the hell they know why they're this way But he chose people that very that lived a very intentional Purpose in during that very very difficult challenging time Where they just went I don't know what I don't know I don't know what all this is but I do what I do know I do know what I do know and stay through that and that's I guess that I don't know how this relates me to this idea of bureaucracy, but people that do know the facts have got to stay with the facts even in the face of like all the blender busing above about You know there's this and there's that you've got to be really dedicated to What you do know and and realize that there's Lots that you don't know, but if you give up what you know in the name of You know Just laying over here You know then then there's even more lost Yeah No, I agree and I think most people get involved particularly if they get involved in something like homeless or You know any any charitable organization most of the people get involved aren't doing it cynically They're not doing it to get that big paycheck.

2:13:47There initial reason for being involved something like that is to help The problem is sometimes when they realize it's just a big clog and you're not going to be able to do any meaningful good Then things get weird and then you just sort of exist off of this system that's not doing anybody any good This is his argument about why so many people are working on this and nothing's getting better All right, so who's this one? And I Frank Holy on the war. This is my friend who's a lawyer who went to San Francisco and saw this And so and had a conversation with someone who's actually In government in San Francisco.

2:14:23I was explaining what the problem actually is And the government people say it's just it's the government No, they just said they say there's no incentive. There's no incentive for them to do a better job and there's a very compassionate Perspective in the city they're very kind people and they don't want to take these homeless people and remove them and that this Sort of suicidal empathy that they have for the people in their city is causing this rash of Tents everywhere and crime and you know, you can't if to leave your fucking car unlocked otherwise They're going to smash your windows and it's just that's what his perspective is it's that there's no Real incentive to do anything different because these people are still getting paid to keep it the way it is It's not they're the amount of money they make is not based on how much good they do So like if if they're financially if they're incentivized to like You get paid more if more people clean up seek treatment get get on medication get to a mental health institution If you can show some sort of progress it'll affect how much money you get And vice averse if you do if you have no progress and nothing gets done and the problem actually it's worst Perhaps you're not doing a good job Well, that sort of makes sense doesn't it?

2:15:42You get results. Yeah, you know, you you get encouraged by getting more money But yeah, so does this remind you of anything It reminds me of everything reminds me of the government itself What is the remind you of? Well, I feel like there's something hanging over our heads here that's like this this situation and maybe it's just a continuous situation of Of like a world that gets more and more people all the time and And more people want to have a voice and There's just more people shouting all at once and there's there's we don't there's not quite the same kind of agreement We don't have like a an ideal that we're all working for you know, I guess Not to like cheat, but you know that the greatest generation they had to fight a war to Maybe save the sort of structure of Western Civilization right and there is that argument, you know, right that if the the Nazi party had done Defeated England that and you know You know life would be different life would have been different, you know, and if and if that kind of dictatorship kind of world had gone further You know that we'd have been it would have been a different world It wouldn't have it grown the way it is, but now it's grown.

2:17:00It's there's a freedom The war was fought the I believe I know there was a great quote one of those books like There's no such thing as a bad piece or something like that. There's all kinds of different but I feel like this Like there's no no sort of idea that we can agree that people can agree on that's the source of like a reason for being Well It's a very uniting thing to be all together against a common enemy that is real like World War 2 Like there's a real purpose to life people understand that this is a very important mission This is something that Unfortunately, it's one of the best ways to unite people is a threat from the outside Well, that's what happened in after 9 -11 Remember 9 -11?

2:17:53Everywhere in LA people drive around with American flags on their car. I never forget 9 -11 What it was like to walk down the streets in New York after a lot of 9 -11 It was nothing like I've ever experienced my whole life It was bizarre and but it was also very united like people were together What people looked into each other is you walk by someone on the street Yeah, and every person on the street looked right in your eyes Yeah, and that lasted for weeks I never I mean people in New York walk their head down they look like They're reading a paper But people just looking by like okay, we're in this yeah together.

2:18:26Yeah, and I think Some people actually obviously hated the act of what happened But loved the way people reacted and how people felt with each other that it did feel different New York City felt friendly it felt united It felt like people were proud to be American we were we're all together There's bad people out there. They did this to us, but we're all together Well, okay, so what we have here with the situation of like just using San Francisco as the idea is like it's just a gentler Version of something that we could all say this is something that we have to yes go to war about Yeah, well, it's a tetherage Yeah, any any kind of a problem that we have as a group that we all are affected by yes, or care about What's too easy to ignore?

2:19:14It's too easy to just say oh there's the tenses go this way and the the reality is The health of the community It's dependent upon the health of the lowest members of the community on the social rung the lowest members of the people that are sick And if you don't take care of them if you don't take care of the people that are mentally ill that are homeless that are addicted to drugs That are on the street that are desolate they don't have friends don't have love don't have structure don't have anything that they call upon Horrible childhood the whole deal if you don't if you don't look at them then your society sick Because this is the the foundation of the society is the people if you got a group of people That are part of your community and you're completely ignoring their plight That's not good for anybody.

2:19:53It's not good for big business It's not good for the common folk with it's not good for the people in the neighborhood. It's not good for anybody And it's gotten so far Because it's so big now the problem is so enormous. It's almost too big to tackle It's almost like okay, you're dealing with L .A. You're dealing with a hundred thousand people living on the street That's so many fucking people that's the entire population of Boulder It's Boulder, Colorado Intense on the street in L .A. That's crazy. It's almost too big And I talked to Mayor Adler who was the mayor of Austin at the time when I first moved here And he was he had a bunch of plans in place to help the homeless people and they did an amazing job because it got pretty bad here during the pandemic I remember they're being homeless here.

2:20:36Yeah, they they got hotels they put people up They put together programs. They got people jobs There's a company that we've had what is his name that we Alan that we had in here Alan Graham From Loves and fishes who we went I went and visited his community. They set up he has this this community where they Build houses for these people. They bought an enormous piece of land outside of Austin And he sets up work programs for these people gives them a sense of purpose It's an amazing place to be. They're doing art and selling art. It's working Yes, it's working. Yeah, I mean it doesn't work with everybody But it works on a lot of them and these people they have a sense of community They all live in a safe area and you know, we walked around I brought my kids.

2:21:21We walked around there It was like the whole thing was really nice. It was really wonderful. It was really cool. What he's doing Well, how did that well? So that guy his plan his way of working needs to obviously get out scale out there It's got to get around so how did he make it huh? He lives there and this is a guy He lives in the community with those people this man must be deputized when he's a Christian like a real Christian Like in the greatest sense of the world like he's a guy who really believes in reaching out to people and helping people This is yeah, this is Alan right here. He's just a wonderful guy like a really beautiful person and lives with these people They're his neighbors and they're constantly bringing people in and he has all these different programs People can sign up for to learn arts and crafts and learn how to sell things that you've made and it's really cool And you know, I mean he's doing his part He's it's small in relation to like the problem of San Francisco or but you need people like that that really dedicate themselves to it I've heard of loads and fishes that this sounds I didn't know all of this about it.

2:22:30It's pretty amazing It's a pretty amazing Place that he's got and he's expanding it. He's they're they're building new ones right now So there's this small houses that these people live in and they'll have like a community kitchen Where they can go and barbecue and grill outside and there's an arts and craft center These people they they make cool chest pieces and they sell them they make paintings They sell them jewelry. They're doing all these different things and they it gives them a sense of purpose You got to get this guy to San Francisco. Yes, well, you need more people like him. It's what it is It's just he's a very unique guy.

2:23:00Oh, they're got a there must be people. They're not like him But you you mean it's a lot. I mean he lives with them. I mean he's in the community has one of those little houses in this You know giant area filled with people and he's with them is for encouragement and you know, it's it's a beautiful thing It sounds really amazing. Yeah, it's beautiful Okay, should we wrap it up Bill Murray? Yeah, okay. Sorry. I'll get you so long. No, it was amazing It's an honor to meet you. I really enjoyed it very much and I appreciate talking to you Thank you and thanks for the shirt and thanks for the shorts.

2:23:34Yeah. Well, I'm gonna wear those Okay, but you know I will just say that those shorts are very are there forgiving shorts. So if you've got a big meal good Beautiful. They still fit you. I like that. They're good Can people buy these? Can they? Yeah, yeah, they sell them. They go It's called William Riggolf. They sell them They sell them online a lot and they I know they sell them They sell them in the golf shop some places and some stores there. That's that's I Beautiful. Yeah, that's it Well, look at that guy look at that. We're gonna hand some fucking model. Yeah, that's a model. That's a good looking fella Let's get like all right.

2:24:17That may be a model too. Hey, he's definitely a model. He's beautiful Well, thank you very much. I really enjoyed. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you