#2284 - Ian Carroll

25:08I don't think, but here's the thing. They could push people with talent that they also could use to further their agenda and make those people more popular than they would be organically. Yeah. And put a lot of emphasis behind it. Look, and the reason why this, this tracks is because what Nixon did. So with, with the sweeping psychedelic act of 1970, they passed this. They made mushrooms and all these different things illegal so that they could go after the civil rights activists and the anti -war activists. Yeah. And the black camps, they've shut them all down. Go after them for having these things that were societal disruptors.

25:47It also makes fertile ground for Coentel Pro. When you have things like drugs and drug culture, like fertile ground for Coentel Pro. This is the big thing about Jolly West and Manson. It's a Jolly West allegedly taught Manson how to use psychedelics and manipulate people. And oftentimes when Manson was with the family, apparently, he pretended to take LSD. And they all took it. And then he would make it like hypnotism, like weird speeches. Yeah. It really does look like. And the thing is that I respect Tom O 'Neal so much because he didn't try to claim things he couldn't prove. Right. But he just put it all out there and is like, this is what I'm seeing and say, think what you think.

26:24And it looks to me like you're saying that Manson was either directly trained to practice these things and carry them out. Or he was sort of like a patty in the operation that they kind of like gave him the setting within which to just go along his megalomaniacal impulses and just kind of kept tabs on him and kept him safe and just kept him going. I think he wasn't a part of it because of how effective he was. They visited him in prison. Oh yeah. This is why I think he's a part of it. I think they've recognized in prison like, look, you got two choices. You could be in jail for the rest of your fucking life or we can work for you.

26:58We think you're brilliant. We think you're an amazing mind of untapped talent. And you know, you pray to this narcissist ego and you start telling him things. And the next thing you know, he's out there in the street working for you. Like a little help. It's crazy how many people that wind up in these weird positions came out of like, you were in prison then you got released or you were in trouble. And then you got, and the girls like the girls, it's crazy. Those girls like some of them had committed some minor crimes, but a lot of them were just regular people. And then suddenly they become like absolute like murderers, like dark, dark murders.

27:31Those were gross. Well, I think mind control is real, right? And I think hypnosis is real, acid is real. And then the techniques that they've developed over decades of fucking with people with these drugs, they know what to do. Yeah. I mean, the dark thing that, I mean, we don't need to go into it because it's real dark. But the, I think that when you study the MK Ultra files, and this is where there's a lot of conspiracy theories that are hard to prove. There's a bunch of witness victim testimony, but it's hard to prove. Is the Monarch programs are an alleged program that never got disclosed.

28:02And that's all the programs that are hidden behind child sexual abuse being a part of mind control. Because a lot of the drugs like they can break people's minds and they can be involved in mind control. But a lot of those papers talk about dissociative identities identity disorder as like the holy grail of that manchurian candidate concept. And it makes a lot of sense if you know what just how dissociative identity disorder works. Right. And that is most commonly associated with dark grim childhood sexual abuse. And then you get all these victim testimonies, hundreds and hundreds of people these days talking about how they are, we're a part of these programs.

28:35Like people that were on Epstein's Island that claim to have been victimized as children and, and put subjected to mind control experiments paired with childhood sexual abuse. It's just so hard to believe that people are that evil. But they have been throughout history. This is why it's weird. It's like we'll look back on the Victorian era or we'll look back on the man boy love of the you know, Socrates era. We'll go that's just back then. Back then we evolve now. We don't work culture anymore. But when they've identified specific aspects of traumatic past that they can use these particular victims of trauma of childhood trauma and take them and turn them into weapons.

29:20That's so wild. But that's that is an asset, right? If you get someone who's so fucking crazy, you could talk to them and get them to do things and give them acid and get them to serons or on levels or whatever the fuck they did to Jack Ruby. UFC 313 is back in Vegas. It won't be paradise for one of the light heavyweights in the main event. Don't miss out on any of the action at Draft King Sportsbook. The official sports betting partner of the UFC. Alex Pereira defends his light heavyweight title against Magomed Ankalaya. But that's just the cherry on top of an amazing night of fights. It's super easy for first -timers to get started.

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31:18And so no one would ever even know. And I think that there's this feeling that the world is so dark right now because we're learning everything. Exactly. And I actually take the opposite view. I think that we're the lightest being shown and the world is super dark. There's all kinds of crazy horrible people. But there's all kinds of crazy good people, everything in between. Yeah. And by you have to shine the light on it all before you can fix it. And absolutely. Right? And I think that's one of the more fascinating things about the fact that this is a weird time for uncovering federal corruption.

31:48Right. And I think they're in real trouble because I don't think they can use their phones. I don't think they can do the things that they used to be able to do. That's a good point. And I don't think they're united. I thought about that. This is what I think. They're definitely not united. Right. So 100 % there's rats in that ship. Oh yeah. There's rats in that ship. And I think everybody's scared. And so everybody's worried that people were in camera buttons. And so it is the era of secret cameras too. And they're all selfish fucks. So they're all for themselves. So they probably demonstrated that all throughout these relationships they've had with other people.

32:20So nobody trusts anybody. Yeah. I mean, that's the nature of politics. And you can't use your phone. Nope. You can't use your email. You can't you probably can't even talk with Alexa in the house. Oh no. No, no, no, no. I mean, I'm at the point where I'm starting to get like, I'm not literally that paranoid. But there are, I've had some conversations in terms of like people that want to leak a story, which I totally, I'd normally just avoid because I don't want to touch it. But every now and then I'm like, let's go on a walk because I don't want to hear what you have to say around any of this shit.

32:46Because I know it's being recorded. I know it can be listened to. Do you have a crazy phone or use your address? No, it's just an iPhone. Yeah. I'm aspiring to get one of those like one of the Eric Prince phones or something like that. That's when you've reached the next level of conspiracy. When you get a D -google phone and I don't know. 5G you'll use 4. Yeah. But the way I look at it is so I intentionally do all of my stuff. I basically do open source investigations. I don't try to like break news stories. Right. Because it's way safer and it's way more interesting. And I don't, my goal is not to like, to like know everything or to be some great journalist.

33:18My goal is to inspire everybody out, like to inspire the world to think a little more and to be more critical and to look it up for yourself. Well, you're also serving a function, like a service for people because what you're doing is you're taking all the time to find all this open source and then putting it out there. And you really throw about it. You say this is what I know. I try to do it. Yeah. Yeah. You've also just started doing this thing with your hand above your head. People steal that now. Yeah. Take this out. Well, it's because TikTok's green screen. It's your hand. The way you do it with no fingers.

33:46It's taken away. TikTok will delete one finger if I'm pointing with one finger because it's a green screen app. And so I'm like using the camera. And it's got in my camera, it's putting the thing behind me. But it's cutting out me. And if I only use one finger, it cuts my whole hand away. So I started doing this. So just because the green screen, when it's like trying to AI analyze what is a body and what is the background, it'll take away my hand as though it's the background. Oh, how weird. So you started pointing out this thing. I haven't gone all the way to doing this at the screen yet. But I see a lot of people that are doing exactly your way.

34:18So that's why they're doing it. I mean, to be fair, I've had a level of success that is unprecedented. And people call me a controlled opposition because of it. And it's like fair. Like it's like whatever dude. Like if I was in all of their seats, I would probably be like, where did this dude come from? But at a certain point, it's like an intense level of success. You're talking to Captain controlled opposition over here. I know. People think that I'm controlled opposition. Yeah. Yeah. That whole term is funny because there's got to be real controlled opposition. That's why it's a term. And because it's a war, dude.

34:48Yeah, well, it's a war. It's crazy out here. The valid strategy. Yeah. And I think you could figure it out after a while. Yeah. And for me, it's really interesting. Because, and you know this too, you've been in this game forever, is when you actually get to meet people in real life, you learn things about them, you get that vibe of them. Yeah. It's not, and it's not impenetrable. You can be fooled. But like how much can you fool? And can you fool all your employees all the time? Like Alex Jones is a great example. People call him controlled opposition. Like he's bought by the Jews. He's bought by the commies.

35:14He's bought by the, and it's like cool. But I know all of his staff. And I've hung out with them. And like you've known him over years and years. Like is he faking his entire life? Like I've been on his show. I've seen what they do. He was doing the exact same thing when no one was listening. Exactly. He was on the public radio. Yeah. Alex has been saying, he's been talking about this stuff since the 90s. And I've known him since 90. I guess I met him in 99. Yeah. Yeah. So I learned the other day that he started Info Wars. Like he officially founded Info Wars. Like when I was two years old or something like that.

35:50It blew my brains. It was like what? The first video of his that really woke me up was the video he did on the World Trade Organization Protest in Seattle. When he showed that there was these groups of masked men who dressed in military uniforms at military issue shoes. They all had the same shit on. And they all ran around in this peaceful protest for the World Trade Organization and started smashing things and lighting things on fire and creating chaos, which allowed the police to then move in. Then these people all hold up in one house. They negotiated with the police and they were all released.

36:29Weird. Yeah. So this is like a few events of the last couple years, you know? Yeah. It's funny how it works. Patriot Front, which just went under. They went under the day after. Yeah, you know? After USAID was cut. No, right after cash betelga. It's in. But cash betelga. Let's go. Pull that up. Let's go. Because there's a video of Patriot Front and me and Matt Taiibi. I go, they're feds. I go, it's me yelling, where's the fat people? They're all wearing the same uniform. I saw that. One guy's got a fucking drum. Get the fuck out of here. These are feds. These are feds. The day after cash betelga gets in, they disband.

37:05Funny how that. I mean, that's a, I'm interested in like looking for like, right now with all these new people coming in cash and Pam and all the picks, RFC. I'm really enjoying the process of just trying to wash their actions and trying to figure out who's doing what and how much are they going to play to the money and play to the people. And it's just such a fascinating exercise in journalism of where do you kind of, and how much leeway do you give them, how much grace do you give them? Uh -huh. Especially with the Epstein blackmail hanging as a cloud over the entire federal government of, I don't think that any of those three are blackmailed, but I don't feel confident that I know that they're not.

37:41Let's look at it. Here's a possibility other than blackmail. Negotiation. Well, that's always a factor. But instead of blackmail, if you are a government and you have information on someone who's an asset or someone who's very wealthy and this person is a him or the fucker. Like, what are you doing in your 26 times? Yup. How about you shut the fuck up from here out? No more Trump's Hitler. Well, how about you say that we did a good job every now and again, give us a little credit. Let's work something out here. It's not necessarily blackmail as much as its negotiation. I would argue that blackmail is a thing.

38:25Right. Unless you get money too. Like, you know, I know. No, blackmail is just, I know something that you don't want out. And any level of threatening that it'll get out, or, you know, okay, but what if it goes the other way? What if the wealthy person contacts them? And it says, listen, I can make things very good for you. I can do this. I can do that. If I go to jail, this is not helping anybody. Oh, 100%. Yeah, yeah, reverse. I mean, that's the opposite. That's what that's bribery, I guess. Kind of. It's just kind of. That's deal making. But I think that a lot of Epstein's targets were willing.

38:57I think that a lot of them, because I think that we're talking, it's not just every Epstein, it's organized crime as a network. Like, he's just an employee of organized crime. Right. And I think that a lot of those people are basically saying, yeah, I want into the club. Because if you are like a Reed Hoffman or allegedly, if you're one of those guys and you want more contracts, or you want more deals, like allegedly, and like, let's be clear, just because I say something on Joe's podcast does not mean that Joe fucking agrees with me, CNN, thank you. Yeah. I'm a crazy fucker. And I got all kinds of theories about Epstein.

39:30But like, I think that a lot of them were willing, because I think a lot of them are, I mean, if you're sick enough to rape a child, like on Jeffery Epstein's Island, you're sick enough to want into that club. Well, for sure, throughout history, there have been pedophiles. That's a fact. For sure, some pedophiles get to prominent positions of power. That's a fact, right? And the creamy savel. The traits that do the same, like Jimmy Savile and fucking England, like that. And that should have put it out to bed for anybody. Prince Andrew, Bill Sandusky. Allegedly. I don't know about him. I never heard that.

40:04But the Sandusky I've heard. You never heard about Bill Gates. I didn't know he was in the kids. Oh, dude. I mean, he's one of Epstein's closest confidants. And here's the thing about the Epstein thing. Were they all underage? Were some of them? Not at all. No, it's very complex. Right. And some of them were their 20s. Like one girl who was complaining, or I shouldn't say complaining, that's very mild. One girl who alleging that she was, she was 20 at the time, she was saying. Yeah. So just because someone has been to the island and has been compromised, right? Doesn't necessarily mean that they've been compromised with underage people.

40:45But I think there's a specific group that wants underage people. Oh, 100%. Right. And the reason why I say this is not conspiracy theory. It has been that way throughout history. They're all history. Many, many, many conspiracies that have been uncovered and criminal investigations have found that people are trafficking children. It's been done. So this is not like vampires. No, no, we're not talking about werewolves. Child trafficking, like, child trafficking rings get exposed and brought down around the world relatively frequently, like at least once a year, but they usually don't make big news because they're usually not like apps.

41:16We know there are pedophiles. That's a real thing. We know there are psychos who get very wealthy and want specific things. Look, there's people that drink rhino horn tea. Exactly. Right, why do they drink rhino horn tea? Because the rhino is so endangered, it's so gangster to have rhino horn experience. You want lead experience. And what you're talking about is it's such an important concept is that some people, like if you wanted to pay for an underage prostitute, people can, you can pay for that. There are people, there are women that would be prostuits underage. The people that, that we're talking about in the Epstein files that were, that wanted underage girls, specifically because they weren't all underage.

41:55Some of them wanted overage girls. Some of them were just scientists. They weren't all compromised. But the ones that wanted underage girls, they specifically want what they couldn't have. Because if you wanted sex that you're allowed to have, you just wanted a young girl, you could just go pay for that. What Epstein was doing is he was recruiting girls that were from like American families and kind of tricking them and coercing them. Like they wanted a girl that they wanted the experience of coercing. Some of these people, not all of them, want the experience of, I am doing this to a girl that I am coercing, I am manipulating, or I'm just straight up being physically violent, too, to get this thing.

42:30Because if you wanted a willing 16 year old, those do exist. And the thing about these really wealthy, high profile people, and Eric Weinstein was highlighting this to me once. He was saying, I very smart. Yeah. He wasn't making any accusations at all, but he was just talking overall. He goes, I think there are people out there that can facilitate experiences for discreet clients. And it's very valuable. Like look at the guy who gave Epstein that house in Manhattan. He gave him the guy from Victorus Secret. He gave him a $60 million mansion. He did way more than that. He decided to hire power of attorney to him.

43:18You're so cool. I'm gonna give you a house. No, he gave him the keys to the entire castle of all of Victoria's Secret and Abercrombie and Fitch and all of El Brans. When you find out that people who worked at Nickelodeon or pedophiles, you go, oh, Fedethius, no less. If you're gonna be a pedophile, wouldn't you go be around kids like if you could be and sneak around? Okay, wouldn't you think that, Sasha Baron Cohen thought he had exposed pedophile ring while filming Who Is America? Oh, that's right. That's right. I forgot about that. The concierge said they can they could do something. That we can help you.

43:54Yeah, things happen out of it. Like it's kind of crazy. Do you know where Andrew Breitbart got killed? I do. And he got he was exposing a heart. Exactly. He was exposing a corn because so how oh, man, I'm totally blanking on our boy these days that does all the on the keys. Yeah, you know that James O 'Keefe got a start with with Breitbart on that story exposing a corn and what they did is they sent James O 'Keefe and this other female reporter into a corn. And which is intended to be a pimp. Well, they asked them for help setting up a underage sex trafficking ring. And the people at Acorn, I didn't know it was underage.

44:29Yeah, yeah, that was the they wanted to they wanted help setting up an underage sex trafficking ring using children from Guatemala or from Central America. Did they say that in the meeting? They yeah, yeah, it's on that was what was on tape. What? Yeah, it's a great a blue my mind when I read. I was like, what are we talking about right now? Because I didn't know that history because I had an I wasn't paying attention back then. And that's that is the story is that he went in and asked for help setting up a under. I don't think he was like I don't think he was probably using the words like five year olds, 10 year olds.

45:00I assume that he was like implying like 16 year olds but I don't know, but that story was that. What had he phrased it? I don't know. It's not you can't I mean, I can't find those videos anymore. I've looked. Really? I'm sure they're somewhere and I'm sure that James O 'Keefe could tell the story. What happened with him and Project Veritas? I don't know. I have no idea. And it's a whole drama fest and I try to stay I mean, it's probably usually try to stay out of the drama in the modern industry because it's like it'll just waste time. Because he drama this drama inside the drama industry. There's drama in every industry.

45:31There's drama in the drama class. But yeah, they like they he went in and asked for help setting up this ring and they allegedly said, yeah, here's how you do it. We'll help you help you and that's what the case they brought against a corn was. Right. Before Andrew Breitbart mysteriously died and then the corner that did his autopsy mysteriously died. It's like such that was such a weird one to stumble upon because I didn't know I was about to stumble upon it. Yeah, and people can look I mean, everyone should look up anything that I say always people should always just look it up and just start typing things in that I'm saying and see if what if you can figure out what you think.

46:03Yeah, because I am not an expert. I'm just a dude that like is looking things up and I try to be really thorough. But like wasn't Breitbart was it Breitbart or Drudge that was the first victim of these coordinated anti advertising campaigns? I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. So advertisers all pull out to try to tank you like what they exactly on. Exactly. I don't know. They do it strategically. I think it was done to both probably but I don't know. But I think the first one, the first one that they did it on, I think it was Breitbart. I think Breitbart was on this like super rapid upward trajectory and they just completely tank the revenue.

46:41I think it was at Breitbart or is it, do you remember Jamie? Who was talking to us about that the other day was it chase use? Who was it? It might have been, it is interesting how you can watch out over history. The more history you learn, the more you get to see where certain strategies like kind of like deep state strategies, so to speak or intelligence agency strategies get invented and then they start using it. Might have been Mike Benz. Might have been Mike Benz. That would be a Mike Benz thing to say for sure. It sounds like Mike Benz. He knows this shit. Yeah, he knows a lot shit. I bet from 2017.

47:10Okay, Breitbart plus, 90 % of its advertisers in two months, that's what it is. Yeah. Who's still there? So this was, so this is the Washington Post making it seem like this is a normal thing. Yeah. Oh look, they lost all their advertising. Media frame jobs. People pulled out because they're full of shit. It's just another frame game. No, they all coordinated to try to boycott them and kill them. It's so crazy to have all of this, these tactics exposed in plain view now and they still keep trying them. Did you see the thing that's going around today of the 22 different mainstream news sites, all parodying the exact same thing?

47:46Yes. Well, not just that, all the congress people. Yeah. Did you see that? They're all saying the exact same thing. Yeah, I guess it's congress people not, it's anchors, it's just that no, everyone is a... It's fucking Pelosi and Schumer and all these different people. There's 12 of them now that they've got. Saying the exact same script. Oh, it's more than 12. Alex Jones had a full 22 on his show, so they kept adding to it. At first it was two of them. They're in the morning and that was 12. They're so dumb, they all read the same script. They're so dumb. But they use a different tone of voice.

48:15Well, they give their own spin on it because they're performers. It's wild. I've got to have my own creative control. But then you get into the people that are like the whole world's a stage, trust the plan, queues in control and it's like, whoa, they're called out. Yeah, you've gotten too far. Well, then when you see that documentary on cue, you realize what kind of people you're dealing with. Which documentary? Which is the one that has the cool HBO thing. Yeah, but I don't trust a documentary like that either because HBO is like, that's the definition of mainstream media. So I try to stay somewhere in the middle of that.

48:45That is true, but I think HBO let this guy uncover this story accurately. I think I believe it. I had him in. I'm pretty sure that I saw, I'm pretty sure that I did see the documentary. Yeah, it's like a multi part and it shows all the people that were involved in it and it kind of highlights the guy who seems to be Q who is like kind of an internet shit poster fucking around and when 4chan was in its heyday back when all that shit was going down, like it's ripe for that kind of nonsense. Oh, yeah, perfect, perfect fertile ground for that kind of like controlled reverse opposition, whatever bullshit siops.

49:21And that's where for me, the bottom line is can I corroborate it with primary sources and Q is the definition of no. Of course I can. It's like what is it? A time traveler that's coming back that's telling us how to save the world or something? Like I don't understand. Do you think stuff like pizza gate? Like when they when they had that guy come in and I already knew I'm going to go to the shop, I felt like that was a great way to put a halt to all the looking into the pedestrian emails. Exactly, that was because then all of a sudden it's a cook thing. Now it's a crazy person and a dangerous person because he's got a gun.

49:55You're causing dangerous people to take their gun. Just like with the vaccines, it's like you're, it's a day, they always have to make it dangerous. Yeah, it's dangerous to say that this might have side effects. Right. Because if you read those emails, exactly right. Those emails are bananas. They're not explained. They're talking about young kids who are going to be coming to a party to have fun. They'll be in the pool and they will be there for sure. 65 ,000 dollars worth of hot dogs flown from Chicago for a White House party. The whole thing is like very weird. Did you ever see the archived Instagram post from James Alfoncius' Instagram?

50:33No. Because that's a dark place. So there's so many layers to pizzeria that they tried to cover up intentionally for very good reason. Well, how about the logos? Well, the thing is I avoid, in the way I've talked about it, I've avoided all the symbols and logos and even some of the pizza stuff because I think there's so much more ripe, clear evidence that is way more powerful. And James Alfoncius' Instagram account is a great example where... What can you find online? So you cannot find it on Instagram anymore. It's only been archived onto other sites, which is kind of sketchy because it's like, how do I know you're not adding photos and stuff?

51:05You kind of have to dig and dig and dig and cross reference over and over and over to make sure that you're getting sort of like the consensus because everyone watched as it happened. So people like Liz Croak and people like Alex Jones, like they saw these things come out and you can find plenty of different archives of all of James Alfoncius' Instagram posts. And there are things like photos of children with their arms taped to tables. And then the caption is, looks like a fun time. And then people that have always been commenting on his posts, like the people that are interacting with his posts all the time, have even weirder Instagrams where it's like kill room.

51:34And there's a coffin that's open and things like that. There's like a photo of like a walk in freezer and it's like, man, looks like you've been having a fun weekend. Things like that that are just super dark. And a bunch of babies and a bunch of symbolism, a bunch of children. And it's all photos on their Instagram and playing daylight. And they all got scrubbed, obviously. And that's not to mention Podesta's Art Collection and the Marina Brahmavish Connections. It goes on and on and on and on and on. Yeah. And we're talking about the Clintons with the Haiti scandals, with the cocaine and Arkansas.

52:07It's like the thing is that we sound crazy. I sound crazy to someone that doesn't do their own research because you just start, there's so many layers of like, crazy shit that's happened with some of these people that if you don't know the history of a person like Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, it's really easy to think, oh, that's just so insane that you would think that they'd be involved in it. And first of all, they frame it in the articles about P2Gate. They say Hillary Clinton was the mastermind of a global pedophile sex -traffing ring all headquartered in this pizza shop, which is not what anyone ever claimed.

52:40Right. So as soon as you can discredit that, you discredit the whole thing. Classic frame job, which Nancy Pelosi explains very well where you make a false claim and you say that's what they're saying and then you discredit the false claim. But if you really learn the history of the Clinton family, just as one example, Bill, do you ever read the strange death of Vince Foster? No. But I know a little bit about the Foster situation and a couple of those weird deaths earlier on. I read that book. I should read that. Back in the Dizé and that's what got me into wondering about the Clintons. Of this stuff.

53:11Because that guy died, they found his body where there was less blood at the scene that was missing from his body and the gun was still in his hand. I was actually just reading about that specific murder in Whitney Webb's books like two nights ago. Because she goes over that too. Because it's a huge question mark. The gun was in his hand. The gun's never in your hand. And his family claimed that that wasn't the right gun. He was, he had a black gun and his family was like no, he owned a silver gun. All these weird things, they never found the bullet. Like all sorts of things that just don't add up.

53:41And that was right after Epstein had first walked into Bill Clinton's life. That was between White House visit number one and White House visit number two. Well, Epstein was funding the refurbishing of the entire West Wing of the White House. I'm glad you brought up Epstein because I was a point that I was going to make earlier that I forgot. The Epstein situation is identical to the Manson situation. You think so? Yeah, explain what you mean. This is why. I mean, I think you don't mean that literally. I think none of that anymore. I mean the structure. The structure of how you would pull, like if you were going to use an intelligence asset to do something evil, to do something where you can get dirt on people or compromise people or accomplish an objective, you would get someone who's already fucked up.

54:26Oh, 100%. And then you get that fucked up person and you help them run this cult or you help them get girls. But you intentionally keep them separate. You're not hiring them. They don't work for you. They're a private entity. If he's like layers of obfuscation. Like if he wasn't personally a pervert, it wouldn't work. Oh, not a chance. Like think about, like the guy gets arrested for having sex with underage girls or getting them to do happy endings or whatever he did. So he gets arrested. And then the real weird thing is that he just gets out and gets like house arrest. Yep. And he gets like a little slap on the rest and then he's back in action with all these rich people again.

55:05Yep. Like really rich influential people like Bill Gates is hanging out with them after he's already been arrested and convicted. Like that's but, Nia. But to your point about them. But he's gotta already be fucked up. He can't be like a straight edge regular guy with a family and children that is just evil. No, you gotta have him in on the thing. So if you got a guy you know is already a freak. You know he's already a nut and he's already like doing - That's how you recruit him. Blow and fucking hookers all the time and maybe he's been caught with a few underage girls. You, well when you study where he came from and how he got plucked from the Dalton school and then got put into Bear Stearns and they got put through Bear Stearns and then got put into money management.

55:47Like it was teaching at one point. It was teaching at the Dalton school and then he was a banker at Bear Stearns which he conveniently left when this big scandal broke that implicated him and the director Goldstein that had hired him and it had been helping him up. And then he left and kind of took the fall and took the dirt with him. And then he went into the arms running businesses which is where he met Maxwell, daddy Maxwell, not daughter Maxwell. And Ananka Shogi and Lease and all these other arms traffickers. And that's where he got into those. So it's like you walk slowly into these worlds and as they're doing that, I was imagining they're taking tabs on of like what kind of guy is this and what's he into and he's working with arms traffickers and some of those arms traffickers were famous for blackmail.

56:26Like Ananka Shogi, he was famous for having his yacht filled up with cameras and given his arms deals everything they could ever want while he's selling weapons to them and he's got his whole yacht wired up with cameras. Trump later bought that yacht, which is super interesting. Do you know about that? So Trump, can I check this out? And I'm not claiming that Trump is in on everything. It's a very complex thing here, but Trump's history is pretty weird. He bought the Plaza Hotel, which is where the blue sweet parties that blackmail J. Edgar Hoover happened. Do you know about those? No, what year was that?

56:59Oh, dude, so J. Edgar Hoover, the founder of the FBI. This is where I thought I was starting this fucking job to talk about GameStop and to talk about like the financial markets and shit. And then I realized how important intelligence agencies in organized crime are to how the world works. And I just got deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper into like, I don't want to miss out on some of the Epstein stuff. Oh, we got to come back to that. Well, we'll get there. This is all connected. Oh, it's all connected. I could talk about the Epstein stuff for fucking days and start all kinds of trouble for your podcast and shit.

57:26But, but that trouble supposed to be coming out publicly. I don't think it's going on. Wasn't there so the FBI and New York guy had a step down, right? They were saying they're withholding files. Yeah. So the Pambondi's office said that they just got thousands of files. Allegedly. Yeah. We'll see what happens. I've been saying that I'm like Charlie Brown with Lucy in the football. Yeah. When she pulls the football away every time he thinks he's going to get to kick it and he goes falling on his ass. That's how it feels. Have you, you haven't read Whitney Web's books, have you? No. You really should.

57:58Because a lot of our stuff online though. So the thing about our stuff online is that she comes off as way more unhinged. Because now she's, and she's very smart. She's very smart. She's on it. But she's now very concerned, rightly so, about the sort of technocratic nature of what might be to come. But her research on Jeffrey Epstein is looking backwards at the history of organized crime, the history of Epstein. And it paints a very, like we know very well who he worked for. And we know who he was associated with. She has primary sources with pages of sources cited about who put him where, who he interacted with, who said what about him, who claimed what about his life.

58:30And it's like it's two full books. And it's very well -sourced with primary sources cited all the way throughout. And so it's like we don't actually really need the Epstein files to know what was going on. They might, they'll hopefully include a lot of new details. But we don't, we need it for rock solid proof. Like don't we need the, so take less than we actually talked about earlier. No, we already have the flight logs. Do we have all of them? Unredacted. All of them. So we do. We know. The ones we know of. And do we have flight logs with destinations? Yeah. So we know who went to the island.

59:01Oh yeah. Yeah. They're all there. And you can read them online. They're on archive .org as well as other places. But Leslie Wexner is a great example here. Leslie Wexner owns Victoria's Secret and L Brands, right? He's the bank that bank rolled Jeffrey Epstein. And I was saying earlier that he signed the power of attorney over to Jeffrey Epstein. So that Jeffrey Epstein was able to sell his assets, manage his assets, buy on his behalf. He could sell Victoria's Secret without Leslie Wexner in the room or even his knowledge if he wanted to. Because that's the level of power of attorney that he signed over to Jeffrey Epstein when he was his money manager.

59:32And the reason why you do that is so that you can claim that you don't know about his operation. He was just my money manager. I didn't know he was running this thing because I wasn't involved in any of those transactions. But what that meant is that Leslie Wexner, damn well new. There's a whole week of go into the mega group and we could go into his connections to Charles Brown from all these other things. Well, I was saying about the Victoria's Secret. If you're a penophile, you want to work with kids. And they go, if you're a freak, what do you do? You get in the underwear. That's how they're recruiting.

59:59Is they're recruiting from the Victoria's Secret modeling and Jeffrey Epstein was claiming that he was a rep. But do you know about the CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch that went down for running a sex trafficking? Yeah. So he was Leslie Wexner's guy. When Leslie Wexner, he bought Abercrombie and Fitch in like 1990, maybe 91, 89. And then one of the first things he did was he put that dude into his position as CEO. That was Leslie Wexner's dude. And he becomes the CEO and he's gay and he likes really hot young male models. And he started running a male sex trafficking ring out of Abercrombie and Fitch.

1:00:33So Leslie Wexner, this dude who is a self -proclaimed possess by a demon. Yeah, Whitney has a whole chapter where she goes into this article that was done by a mainstream news source like 20 years ago where they're interviewing Leslie Wexner and asking him about how he came to power and what's his secret. It's called his D -book, dybuk. And you can read about this on Wikipedia as well. And he describes in his own words that he's possessed by a dybuk, which is like a Yiddish word for a evil demon that drives him for more and more and more and more. This is in his own words. Is this, is he being hyperbolic?

1:01:07Is he choking around like, oh, I'm possessed by a demon that just wants more and more. I just want to be successful. No, I mean, I, I mean, I wasn't in the room, but I assume based upon the wording and how it's put, I assume it's like, yeah, I want to read that. It's like a billionaire. I mean, it's in the text. It's directly quoted in the text in 1 -800 Black, actually, which is in that backpack. One nation under Black, man. One nation under Black, what about you? Exactly. Highly recommend, but it's super dense. It's a hard read. I've read it three times now, and I still am taking notes and trying to look things up to understand it because she's just so researched.

1:01:41And it's things like this, where she's gone back to the original article where they were interviewing him and he's just like a CEO. So they're just asking him, what's your secret to success? And he's like, I'm, I'm possessed by, I have a drive for more. And he chose the word D book, which is a Yiddish word. So this is from Newark Magazine interview. That's exactly the source. He says, and now perhaps it's time to reintroduce Leslie Wexner's D book, the demon that always wakes up in the morning with Wexner and tweaks and pulls at him when he was a boy's father called it tumble, a churning. So he feels molten and unformed, pricked by the spiritual pins and needles.

1:02:21He met this demon again when he was 40 and already worth half a billion. When he climbed the mountain in front of the house in Vale and almost froze to death and decided to change his life, this demon called, he calls terminal shfuckies, shfillsies, which makes him wander from the house, from house to house, repeating this pattern of his childhood on a luxurious scale, wanting more swallowing companies larger than his own. It is precisely the reason that Wexner has a billion and does it stop at say five million and a new Mercedes every other year, and what he calls normal life. Bridge on Wednesdays and bar mitfazon Saturdays and the winding hollow country club in Columbus, which is like bucking hand pals to him when he was 15.

1:03:09Yeah, so that's just to point out that like, A, he's a fucking weird dude. He's a sketchy dude. He's running two sex trafficking rings out of his companies that he doesn't know anything about. And simultaneously, he founded, I mean, the Wexner foundations and the Leslie Wexner Heritage Foundation, those are also very interesting and controversial. They're very tied to Israel because he is one of the foremost Israeli philanthropists despite being an American. But he founded what was called the mega group, which is essentially a, I mean, it was not disclosed for a long time, it was secret. And it is a group of Jewish billionaires that get together on behalf of global Judaism, which is not uncommon.

1:03:51And there's nothing wrong with that if they're not committing crimes. But they would get together and meet and it's people like Leslie Wexner, Charles Brownfmann, the list is, we could look it up. And that group, it is unclear if we have proof that they were conducting espionage, but there are, all of them have ties to organized crime through various elements, like the Brownfmanns were rum runners, as one example that were then involved in the mob, Leslie Wexner's involved in these trafficking rings, et cetera. And that group seems to have been directly associated with Jeffery Epstein. And she's again, she's one that she shows all the primary sources and lays it all out of this, what we know and this is where the source came from and this is what it said.

1:04:37And these are possible explanations for it. Here's one or two or three explanations or what it might be, but we don't really know because this is as far as the evidence goes. And so Leslie Wexner is just one where there's all this swirling evidence all around him that the, in order for him to not be aware of what's going on and to not have been an active part of this is damn near unbelievable in my eyes, allegedly. That's well covered. You did a good job of covering your bases there. Yeah, which you know I've learned to do. Because I mean, I started on TikTok where you can't even say certain words or you'll get taken off a TikTok.

1:05:11Right, right. Which is also fast. Yeah, but like the, so the files getting released, I am not expecting them to come out in any complete form because the mainstream understandings that Jeffery Epstein was the guy. Jeffery Epstein was just an employee of these organized crime rings that work on behalf of like the CIA and Israeli Masad and British intelligence and the whole, because organized crime is the black markets, the dark things, the sex, the drugs, the rock and roll, the child trafficking. And intelligence agencies were designed to be legitimate government's point of access to organized crime.

1:05:51I mean, theoretically, intelligence agencies were supposed to be true and wanted the intelligence agencies to be a newspaper about what's going on in the world for the president to know, right? But Alan Dulles was not about that. Alan Dulles founder of the CIA was like, I want to do covert operations. And very immediately, covert operations were like overthrowing the government of Guatemala, Iran buying the elections in Italy. They bought the elections in Italy by just passing giant bags of cash to the mafia so they would just go buy the election right after World War II because they needed to not let Italy fall to the communists, that's where the Vatican is.

1:06:24So that the CIA, though Truman, okayed it, hoping that it would be a newspaper, the CIA has been covert operations from the start. And covert operations is all about public private partnerships so that you can't have a trace back to you, right? Because if you get caught doing MK Ultra Shit, the government's fucked, right? And so what they want to do is they want to outsource MK Ultra Shit or child trafficking shit or drug running shit to that shell company that's hiring that guy that works at that organized crime, right? And the same way USA does it within years. Bingo. And so that's what the deep state is.

1:06:59The deep state is the conglomerate of organized crime and intelligence agencies that work in the shadows as well as the halls of power, but they're not supposed to exist and we're not supposed to know about them. But they've always existed because before we even founded the CIA during World War II, there was this bombing of the ship in a port on the Eastern Seaboard. The USS Liberty is confusing my memory right now. Nothing. It was called Operation Underworld is what there's a Wikipedia page about operation underworld and there's a whole bunch more about it is the ship blows up in harbor. And they were building this big new ship.

1:07:34It would have been in the early 40s, I believe, it was during World War II with like inside of World War II and the ship was blown up. And yeah, and what, and it's not clear if it was German U -boats, there are reports that later, Meyer Lansky and the mob took credit for it, like Loki, but we don't really know for sure who blew it up. But when it blew up, the US government got really worried that they had no way to secure the ports along the Eastern Seaboard because all the ports were run by the mob because the mob ran all the unions, right? And so they rather than trying to wrestle the ports, control the ports back from the mob, they just went to the mob and said, we'll partner with you.

1:08:12If you guys lock down the ports, we'll let you kind of do your thing. And that's kind of what Operation Underworld was all about. And so what they did during World War II is they literally gave control over the entire Eastern Seaboard. I mean, I'm being fisticious, but they gave control over all the ports on the Eastern Seaboard to the goddamn drug smugglers, like to the mob, which their favorite thing is to smuggle things, drugs, weapons, guns, duh, whatever, I don't know. And so before the CIA was even founded, the OSS, the intelligence agency during the wartime was already partnering with organized crime.

1:08:46And the people that founded those intelligence agencies, like Alan Dulles and John Foster Dulles, they were corporate lawyers. And that's, can I just keep going on this? Because this is like, keep going? This is, let him cook. This is the thing that blew my mind, right? Is I was trying to research game stop and shit. And then I started to realize that there's this whole monstrosity that is an official part of our government, these intelligence agencies, that when you really learn their history and read about their official history, let alone their history that sort of is still secret. It is very clear that they've been off the rails right from the start.

1:09:18And that's true inside of every, like whether you're reading legacy of ashes and the devil's chess board, very well researched official books about this shit, or if you're doing internet research. And the reason why you'd start an intelligence agency using a corporate lawyer instead of like a doctor or a military guy or something, is because a corporate lawyer is already familiar with all of the big CEOs of all the big corporations, right? Alan Dulles worked at Sullivan and Cromwell as a lawyer. And so he was very familiar with IG Farben, producing Zyclon B for the Nazis. He was familiar with Standard Oil.

1:09:52He was familiar with shipping companies and fruit companies and all these companies all around the world. And he's got good connections with them all. And so you suddenly, you hire one guy, Alan Dulles, and you have just hired an entire network of multinational corporations, theoretically to work on behalf of the US. But when you read the histories and you read what Alan Dulles was saying behind closed doors and everything, what he was doing is he was hiring the US government in order to fund a corporate slush fund for corporations to utilize this power, this newly government bestowed power to essentially wage violence the dissanctioned.

1:10:27Because, you see what I'm saying? Because all those corporations, the perfect example is Guatemala. United Fruit Company had bought up all this land in Guatemala and was grown bananas like crazy. And a lot of the land was just sitting vacant. And Jacobo Arbenz comes into power and he's like, this is bullshit. There's this American corporation that's owning all of our land, that's making all of us poor. And they're not even using a bunch of this land. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna buy back the land. He didn't take it. He bought it back from the United Fruit Company and he was gonna distribute it for free to all the farmers that were destitute, which is like socialist kind of, but it's also pretty badass to use like your government money to buy all your farmers land from this multinational corporation, but that pissed United Fruit off.

1:11:09And this is right as the CIA was getting founded and United Fruit was a client of Sullivan and Cromwell. And Alan Dulles was a lawyer there, right? So United Fruit goes to Alan Dulles. His brother John Foster Dulles was the Secretary of State. Yeah, Secretary of State. So these two brothers that are both lawyers for Sullivan and Cromwell are the director, well, technically Alan Dulles was not yet the director of CIA, but he was like the founder. He just had a beef with Truman and with the first couple of leaderships of the president there. And so United Fruit goes to them and is like, hey, can we overthrow this piece of shit?

1:11:42Cause he's fucking with our business, right? So this is like how corporations wanted this government sanctioned power. And they, through those two brothers, lobbied the United States, propagandized the United States. They hired propaganda artists to propagandize them. And they painted him as a communist right at our doorstep. And then the CIA went in and through a series of kind of somewhat botched attempts called PB Success and PB or other operations success and operation PB Success, they overthrew the government of Guatemala and they ousted him, they bombed Guatemala City and they got rid of him and they put in their own dictator that started like 30 years of absolute devastation in like military rule and just death, like really dark shit that basically tore Guatemala apart on behalf of United Fruit.

1:12:30They did the same thing in Iran like three years later with Kermit Roosevelt where it became this thing where these multinational corporations that are affiliated with this intelligence agency just kind of through friendships and through partnerships and through the network. They started to utilize Alan Dulles in the CIA in general on their behalf to do things for the corporate interests because they are the power players in this world. They always had been the power players in this world and they had been itching for quite some time to get that government sanctioned ability to wage violence against anyone around the world.

1:13:02And we've been doing that ever since, using the intelligence agencies on behalf of the corporate blob, which is not always distinguishable from organized crime. And just going off and whacking people and overthrowing governments and starting coups like right to this day to like Ukraine 2014. And they can do it without being directly connected. Exactly. So yeah, the concept of the USA and the... That's the whole point. Is you want to set it up in a series of shells and the darker it is, the more you have to kind of separate it so that when Jeffery Epstein goes down, no one knows who he worked for.

1:13:37He worked for intelligence and I was told to leave him alone. And so you're left to speculate who he worked for. And that's why we're left to rely on sources like Whitney Webb, who's done sort of the definitive dig because they won't fucking tell us because a bunch of them are blackmailed. Whoa. Yeah. And it's all... It's like it's not like it's literally a cabal of shadowy dudes around one table. It is just an alignment of many different interests, different families, different corporations, different bankers, or organized crime groups. All sort of playing games for power and these guys have that much power and those guys have that much power and interest tend to align like the general vibe and the corporations will probably align with the vibe of the bankers.

1:14:15And their vibe will probably align a fair bit with some of this organized crime stuff and will fund this terrorist organization, Mujahideen, until it's not convenient anymore. And then we'll actually use them as a pat sea to go to war because there's terrorists over there. God damn it. Right? And they've gotten quite good at kind of weaving those narratives through their operations that they've either covered up or exposed what they wanted to in various ways to kind of steer our narrative around what we know. But when you actually read the history, it's like holy shit. It's crazy. How much did you ever read Smedly Butler's War as a Racket?

1:14:48Yeah, dude. So that was 33. So in 33, it was still going on like that and he was waking up to it as he was leaving his military career. Do you know about the business point? About what they tried to do with him? No. Oh yes, I do. They're not, yeah, they're not to take over the country. No, he saved the country from it. But not that he wanted industrialists. They wanted him to be a part of the country. There's almost a Nazi coup in the 30s where we almost got taken over by our own military and became Nazis because Prescott Bush and a bunch of his other buddies were on Team Nazi. And it's because they're all funding the Nazis and they wanted to, like they wanted us on that team.

1:15:23And they tried to recruit Smedly Butler to be the lead of this. Yup. And take over the country. I suspect, I'm sort of form, I'm always kind of form I understand research by research, but I suspect that it was World War I where they realized how much power like you can have if you're funding both sides of a war. Look at this quote, I spent 33 years in active military service and during that period, I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for big business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a raccoteer, a gangster for capitalism, Smedly Butler 1935. Here's one of the most decorated Marines or with the Army of all time, general.

1:16:06Unfuckin' believable. Yes, wars are raccote is a relatively short book that anyone can buy online and I highly recommend it to everyone. That paired with, but it was so wild that that was 33. Oh yeah, and it's still going on to this day. And the general public has it even had a whisper of this, like the average, normie, probably four years ago, five years ago. Yup. Like when did this start making it into the zeitgeist? Obviously in films, I think when Elon bought Twitter. And it's still not making into the mainstream mainstream zeitgeist, but there's, I mean, and you've played a big part in this too, this whole decentralized media space as technology naturally walks forward.

1:16:46I think that we're living in this world where all these rich people, all these evil, controlling sickos of varying degrees, they come from a world where they could control everything. They could control the newspapers, they could buy out the press, they could pay for journalists. Yes. And that strategy walked itself into technology. And suddenly technology is just naturally walking forwards. And this just changes the game. Like you can't use those old strategies when you have a phone and internet and social media. And we're watching the cognitive sort of breakdown of their old ways that they don't know how to adapt.

1:17:18And it's just scheme after scheme after scheme is crumbling. And the secret is just free speech. That's all you need is free speech and communication on the internet. And doge. Yeah. I mean doge is how you actually go after it. But you need someone who's pretty balls out. Oh yeah. You need a guy like Elon that has... I was glad that Elon said the stuff about assassination on the podcast the other day because that's needs to be said is that they are taking great risk. Even Pam and Cash, all of them are taking great risk to do this. And it would not be the first time that someone's spouse had been whacked or someone's kids had been threatened or like they'd created a scandal.

1:17:56And like do you know about the scandal of the Patakwede, Chappacwedeak bridge with... Chappacwedeak. Chappacwedeak. With Ted Kennedy it was right? That is such a great illustration of how like it might not even be you that they go after. It might be just... There's all sorts of ways that if you do the wrong thing, allegedly they might come after people around you. Yeah. And so people like Cash and Pam and RFK are taking on a lot of risk. And that's also why I think that the... Like my following is real conspiratorial usually. Like I'm moderate compared to most of my people. And there's a lot of suspicion of these guys right now of like they must already be controlled if they can even get in there.

1:18:36It's like I don't know about that. I don't know about that because... I don't know. I used to think, well listen, I think there's definitely some manipulation of voting. Okay. I'll say that. Oh yeah, that's the holy grail you can't say, dude. I say it. I say it because I think, listen, at some level for sure. Now let's talk about the 100 Biden laptop. Now when you have 51 former intelligence agents claiming that this is Russian disinformation and then you have the government getting it removed, Twitter complying, you can't even post a link for the fucking New York Post. Like the second oldest newspaper in the country, right?

1:19:15Legitimate newspaper. When the FBI had had the laptop already. Right. So that in the time of an election is election interference. Straight up. So that is manipulation of voting. Yeah, that came in. That was the only election interference that I was willing to talk about because it was very provable, very obvious. Another obvious portal, which is California and New York won't even allow you to show your ID when you vote. Yup. There's only one reason why you would do that because you want people voting that shouldn't be voting and you wanted to count because you want to win. Yup. Right. And more and more we're seeing that they are literally importing voters and paying them with government money with like the huge amounts of money when we have homeless veterans on the street.

1:19:57We have over 300 ,000 children are missing that have crossed our border that we have delivered to unknown sponsors. Well, I think like the Trump administration very quickly within the first couple of weeks found 90 ,000 of them. I don't know what the number is now. I've seen that. Yeah, there was some, see if you can find that. The Trump administration counted for they, well, they started looking. Thank you. I know right. The first fucking, you know, the first administration was like, yeah, where it is. The body says, let's close the border and, well, we can't close the border. That's wrong. Yeah.

1:20:28The whole thing was really locked up. Like, you know, the guys that built the border wall, Steve Bannon and he had, it was, it was Steve Bannon and Dustin Stockton and I think one or two other people when they wouldn't build it. These guys just went out and raised millions of dollars on their own and they literally just started building border wall. Do you know about that? I had heard, I didn't know about that either. And then I, I now do a podcast a couple, every couple of weeks with Dustin Stockton who's a whole trip of guy. And he started telling me the story of like, what are you saying? I had no idea that they had literally just started building it from a private like citizen standpoint until they arrested them.

1:21:04Did you know that also before the election, all the border materials were for sale? Yep. They sold the border materials. Yep. I mean, they were just trying to get everything out as fast as they could. They're deleting files and just giving out aid money and announcing more and more foreign war aid to Ukraine and Israel and everything. And it was like throwing gold off the Titanic. Crazy dude. Yeah. Yeah. And I am really excited for everything that's gonna come out. But I'm also like, what were we just, before we go, yeah, what were we just, I'm reading into the kids. It's a, it's definitely a political thing.

1:21:37Oh, the children are actually missing BBC. Go fuck yourself. Well, this is says that they, they had them, I guess in records. And then when they sent court notices out, they just don't come to their court date so they consider them missing. Okay, that can make sense. But I think the, the Trump administration I know, I counted for quite a few of them. Well, that part I don't know. That's what they're saying. You're not gonna find them on BBC. Well, I'm just, yeah. All right. Yeah, the, so I, so don't, don't, don't, don't put that Trump administration finds missing kids. Try that. Yeah. Because I work with this guy named Ryan Mata who spent three years of his life going to the border with his own dollars and filming documentaries about this and interviewing the people that like rescue traffic children and actually interviewing whistleblowers from within the Biden regime's trafficking scheme like the, the people that were dropping kids off with sponsor stuff.

1:22:29Sean fucked. Sean, but listen to what he, what it says there. A Trump administration is levitably located between 75 ,000, 80 ,000 of the 300 ,000 missing migrant children according to Harris Falkner of Fox News. This is without a word source. Okay, but just trust me, right? Harris, right. I understand, but Google Harris Falkner I would love for that to happen. Harris Falkner. I mean, I suspect that every, Fox News, every single like, there's every incentive for Trump to find them and to do something about it. But I, I, I think the vast majority of them are dead. Unfortunately. So that's a Facebook link.

1:23:08I think so. I mean, and this is the thing is that there are certain topics that are so disinformationalized and so sensationalized that when you start to research into them, you realize you're inside of this media madness that it's so hard to find the truth. And COVID was one of those. And J6 was one of those. The elections was one of those. Yeah. And when you find that, it becomes, for me, it sets a bell off. Is A, I'm in something I should learn about, but B, I have to be very careful. And I don't know, and you never know what you can trust in those spaces. And so that's where I change my, my switches for what to believe.

1:23:40And I kind of open up the bandwidth in terms of take out, take it all in, but be very skeptical. Because that's where you get wild conspiracy theories that are unproven and trust me. And then you also get all kinds of propaganda trying to obfuscate the narrative. Yeah, that's a big factor that people need to be aware of. Is purposeful misinformation that gets inserted into a narrative to make that narrative ridiculous? Yep. And there's full conspiracy theories that I think are like that. And Q might be one of them, I don't know. I think Flat Earth is one of them. Oh yeah. Well, I think Flat Earth was someone did that as a goof, and then they couldn't believe how much it took.

1:24:12Yeah, right. But if you can speak well and you're, you're articulate and you have compelling things that you're saying, and there's no counter, there's no scientist going, stop, stop, stop. We can show you in fucking 10 minutes of the Earth is around. Everything in the sky is around. The Earth is the only thing that's not around. You know, the, the weirdness of it is how much people want to believe that everything's bullshit. And so you could trick a certain number of people. I mean, I'm gippin' why? Like think about how, like right, so 10 years ago, Alex Jones was saying that the whole government is controlled by pedophiles, and he was a psychopath.

1:24:44I guess more than 10 years ago now. And then Jeffery Epstein got caught. Dude, I talked to people about it back then. Right? And they thought it was the funniest thing ever. Yeah, because Alex Jones. Yeah, I'm telling you, there's a fucking island. They take a new island. They get them fucked up on drugs. There's more than one island, so there's been a few islands. Yeah, you think that's the only place they do that? There's probably some super secret place in China that they all go to. Oh, yeah. I mean, they're all over Mexico. They're all over like, yeah, imagine what is in Mexico. The government of Mexico has been partnered with the cartels for at least two administrations.

1:25:15This is what it looks like. And the cartels are just like running that whole game, that whole sort of northwestern quarter of Mexico. I can only imagine what we'll find out. Really hilarious. Is the blue and on Twitter people? Oh, dude. Cookie ones who are like, yeah, you're going to go after the cartel. Good luck. Good luck. The greatest military force the world has ever known versus drug runners. We out of your fucking mind. The cartels are highly militarized. They're extremely advanced, but sure. They're not going to compete with us. No, no, no. I had my friend Evan Hafer on here from Black Rifle Coffee and he was talking about, like, do you understand the kind of, like, these are very capable of people.

1:25:52No doubt. Do you understand the kind of ultraviolence that they will experience? If they let these fucking sealed team guys go after the cartel people, those are proud Americans that have been itching to defend our nation. Like, they have been itching for the ability to actually do something meaningful. And that's also the place where you look, Afghanistan doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. It's an ocean operation. Right. Oh, yeah. That too we can get to that. But it doesn't make sense that we would send troops over there. It makes sense that we would send troops after the cartels. If you think about the amount of death that occurs in the United States because fentanyl overdoses, where you have tainted drugs that are coming in across the border and killing people left.

1:26:32And unprecedented children, like taken care of families, my whole generation was devastated by it. My whole generation. Every one today knows someone who died of an overdose. Everyone does that. That was very uncommon when I was in high school. And the problem is that it was not just illegal fentanyl and illegal heroin. The problem is that the Sackler family and the pharmaceutical industry was in on it. And so doctors were prescribing it to normal people. And it was just devastating our whole population all at once. It's so tragic. That pain killer document right now was just fucking fat or the docu -drama series.

1:27:02Yeah. And so the administration now in Mexico, she, Claudia Shainbal, she is like the protege of Amlo, who was the leader of that same party from before. And I think he served two terms. It's like, so it's been something like the last six to eight years or something. Their official cartel policy is hugs, not bullets. And what they basically describe is, we're causing more death by going after the cartel. And we'll just agree to not touch them. We'll just agree to leave them alone. And I'm kind of exaggerating again, but like that, hugs, not bullets is their official slogan for their policy about the cartels.

1:27:36So it makes sense for us to fucking do something. It's like, well, through the bullets, you can keep your hugs. Thank you very much. You sure you're right. I wonder what's gonna happen with that. Because they did declare the materialist organization. I mean, I was worried. I kind of came out a little hot and I posted them on Twitter that was like, no fucking drone strikes inside of the US. No, sir, no, you're not. Because the way that the sort of announcement was worded of like we're declaring cartel members, terrorist organizations, and drone strikes are like totally AOK on that is what someone was saying about it.

1:28:04And I was like, and I was like, where's the line on allowing the targeting of cartel? Because once you start targeting terrorists, that's why 9 -11 was so subversive. Is it turned everyone into a possible enemy of the state that can be shipped off to Guantanamo because terrorism is just this elusive concept. And anyone can just become a terrorist if we just call them a terrorist. Propagating in the back. There was people shipped off to Guantanamo who were definitely 100%. And did time and got released. Oh yeah, you wanna radicalize someone? Send them to Guantanamo Bay for a decade for something they didn't do.

1:28:36Right. And you brought up the Hunter Biden laptop and those 51 intelligence agents. I wanted to look into it. So I looked at the letter itself and I actually read the letter. And on the letter at the bottom, they all signed it. And if you just start googling the people that signed it, the very first two names were extractors of the CIA that lied to us about Guantanamo Bay and lied to us about surveilling American citizens and lied on the stand. And so they are professional liars that are from the intelligences that are saying, oh no, no, no, no, like Hunter Biden is all good. A buttboard. Geez.

1:29:06It's like why would we ever trust that? But that's how powerful spin is when every media article parrots that, no, it wasn't made in a lab. There's no evidence. It was made in a lab that couldn't be true. Yeah. Everyone just believes it because we want to believe that that's how the world is. We used to. Don't you think that over the last four years, COVID was probably the biggest wake -up call ever for people? Oh, yeah. I mean, it was my wake -up call. I was a leftist. They didn't think about shit before COVID. No, you thought about shit. You didn't think about it. I thought about shit, but I was pretty much a leftist.

1:29:35Totally. And then I was like, oh, this is fake. To be fair, I think we're both still sort of leftist. What left should be. Socially progressive. Yeah, we need, cause politics is supposed to be a balance. We need regulation of corporations. That's a leftist ideology. Yes. But we need individual liberty. And we're supposed to have a balance of the two. Yes. And when you, and I think my theory is that it used to be easier to control the right because it was a big money party and you could go to war with them and you could lead us around by the right. But as technology came in, they realized it was way easier to spend narratives to the collectivists.

1:30:08And if you can get all the collectivists, the leftists, to go along with a narrative, that's way more effective than these individual liberty people with the guns. Well, also you're controlling all the universities if you have a leftist. You have the narrative that you essentially program the culture as it then leaves the universities and enters into the workforce. The most ignorant people ready to be programmed. Right. I mean, that's always how communist revolutions have been programmed. Well, we were talking about this with Jordan Peterson where people were saying, what is the big deal? This is like 2015, 2016 with Jordan Peterson first, and when Brett Weinstein first started emerging.

1:30:43And before that, I was talking about these crazy things that were going on in universities and people were like, why are you paying attention? These fringes things that kids are doing. I'm like, they're gonna graduate. These are the people. These aren't the people who 30 years ago were studying in school, trying to figure out what career to get into and job. No, they want to change the world with activism now. Everyone wants to be an activist. In every job you take, everything you take is supposed to enact social justice. That is supposed to be your, and then you're given this as like your social credit system when you're in the universities, and then you leave like, I still wanna be the good person.

1:31:21I still wanna be the person that everybody applaud. I will do the right thing. I will say the right things. And then you get DEI in the workforce. Like, oh great, it's all here now. We're all together. And in a world with no meaning, where life is meaningless for 99 % of the population, you give the meaning and they will cling to that. You're on a good team now. You're on a team. And I understand it, because I come from that. I come from one of the most liberal cities in this fucking country. And but then I'm like, COVID's happening, and I was taking it really seriously. Like my last Facebook post was like, all young people we should lock down and take this really fucking seriously.

1:31:53And then my, all my roommates were like, hey, let's go down to Seattle and do the BLM protests. And I'm like, whoa, like, you're a mass Nazi. You're like on me about my masking, and you're trying to go burn down Seattle in a group of like a hundred thousand people? What? And so they all went down to Seattle and I'm back at home, and I mean, I still love them to death. Like if they watch this like no shade to them, like, but I'm at home watching the live streams of the BLM protests and I'm like, where did that Palo de Brics come from? Right. And that got me thinking. Where did that Palo de Brics come from?

1:32:22Over and over and over again. And there's all these explanations, well, there was a construction site. Let me tell you something about construction sites. Brics are fucking expensive. They don't leave bricks laying around like that because people would steal them and take them to their construction sites. That shit happens all the time. If you leave copper piping on a construction site overnight, people just steal it. They're just downtown where there's methods everywhere. Yeah. Why are you gonna basket up fucking bricks? No. And so then the thing is I started asking a question. I asked one question in that leftist environment, and it's just like, I don't wanna ask why I asked you that.

1:32:53And it's like, I'm fucking out of here. Well, that's a tough start. And that's a tough start. Well, it's just talking about that. When you're talking about COVID, like what are the ways you can clearly see that something is sacked? First, you're not allowed to question anything. Yep. 100%. And questions are met with like, you obey the herd, like you're, and they demonize you, and they don't ever attack the argument. They don't ever engage with the arguments. No. And that's what I love about the job that I've fallen into as I sort of like researcher is that I have no problem with being wrong. My favorite moments in my career so far have been when someone's proved me wrong.

1:33:23And I've been like, oh shit, thanks bro. I didn't know that. I'm gonna research that and look it up. Because there, I mean, some people can get trapped in there, you go and need to stay on some hill and die there. But like that's retarded. You don't need to do that. It's a progress for intelligence, for like learning. That's what the Academy of Ideas was built on, right? And so having this culture of censorship and of herd mentality, especially in the universities is the most toxic thing to our national future you could ever incorporate. Yeah, it's a perfect thing that a foreign company or foreign government would do to the United States in order to ruin us.

1:33:57And this is what Yuri Besmanov talked about in the 1980s. They can go, that's such a formative speech to watch. That speech is crazy. Everyone should watch that speech. And it's ironically in 1984. Yeah, they sang this. Well, I mean, these tactics are old. Like, I mean, they go, and I'm more and more started to look at like we, we change from kinetic warfare at the atom bomb to like, sia up and subversive and information warfare. And we were still doing kinetic warfare, but it was all these little proxy wars that were based on propaganda and like, in order to spin narratives in order to get support.

1:34:29And more and more as technology is evolved, one of my kind of sticks is that this, the warfare is information warfare now because what they need to do is they need to convince everyone that COVID is real and that you need to lock down and you need to wear your mask and you take the vaccine so we can profit and all of that is information. Yeah. And that changes it from soldiers, fighting soldiers to government agencies or rather NGOs and all these conglomerates of like, of money, like groups, essentially targeting all of us. And we become the targets of that warfare. And so it's on us to get educated.

1:35:01What's fun though is when they try to spin a narrative to try to cover up their tracks and it just winds up exposing more people to what's actually going on. One of my favorite ones was when Haralda Rivera was in Afghanistan going through the poppy fields with the United States military guard in the poppy fields. You never seen this? I know what you're talking about, but I don't think I've seen it. Amazing. It's amazing because he's in full propaganda gas light mode and he's explaining why it's important to protect these poppy fields because these farmers, we're protecting them from the Taliban farmers to help these people.

1:35:42The Taliban shut down the opium production, the Taliban outlawed opium production and burned all the fields and got rid of it all. So he's literally talking to this officer in front of the poppy fields. You see these guys? That's crazy. Garry, the poppy. Yes, why play this? Oh my god. This. We're going to head to Afghanistan. Let's go. This morning. We're going to head to Afghanistan. The opium trade, the Taliban is using it to intimidate the population. Yeah. The problem on province is where all the river could move to. You are. Haralda, tell us what you've seen during your days there in Afghanistan.

1:36:20Hi, Alison. Dave and Clayton, yes. In some ways, the Marines brilliantly executed invasion of Marsha, this town in the middle of Helmand Province was the easy part. The hard part now is governing this province. And province, as you suggest, that has become addicted to opium in many, many ways. That is the principal crop that is being grown here. The Taliban lend the farmers the money. They are indebted to the Taliban. They have to grow the opium. Now the Marines in their success are in a sense a victim of their success. Because now the population is, you know, they have these opium fields. And we are tolerating it.

1:36:58We are tolerating the cultivation of the opium because we know that if we were to destroy it now, the population would turn against the Marines and it would be a real security risk. Let me introduce Lieutenant Colonel Wang. Wow. He really can't make this happen. It gets better. Really, a wonderful group of Marines here. I know that you care deeply about this contradiction, the fact that here you have one of the best fighting forces in the world ever mounted. And in a sense, you're watching as this opium is being grown. I know it. It grinds at your gut. How do you deal with it? What are you doing about it?

1:37:33Well, frankly, this is part of the culture. So while it might grind in my gut, it's what they do. We provide them security. We're providing them with the money. He was given very strict orders that morning. Yeah. Different crops to grow. They're getting the seed and the fertilizers. They're getting different crops. Growth tomatoes, guys. Yeah. Right. Hey, you can grow apples. My favorite statistic about that era is that I will, I'm going to get the number wrong, but it, so that opium has only grown in so many places, right? And it used to be in the Vietnam region in Southeast Asia, the Golden Triangle.

1:38:06Then it changed to the Golden Crescent, which is Afghanistan. And when that era happened, it was something like 70%, 80 % of the world's opium supply was coming from Afghanistan. And if you just do a little math and think it through, you realize that we have this gigantic opioid market of legal opioids, of the Sackler family, and all these pharma companies. And you realize that it's physically impossible for them not to be in on this scheme, because where they grow in their opium. They're not growing it here. They're not growing it in like Africa. So it, like by definition, when you just think through what's going on here, you realize that some of those opium fields are illegal heroin, and some of those opium fields are big pharma.

1:38:48It coincides with the opioid crisis in America. The pharmaceutical grade prescribed opioid crisis in America as it goes up. And then you see at one point in time, Afghanistan was responsible for 94 % of the world's opium. Bingo, there's the staff. While we are occupying, now it's Myanmar, which also just went through a military coup. I mean, they've always got a control. So opium has been one of the most important crops to control ever since the British Empire and like the days of tall ships. You know about the opium wars with China? Yes. That was a funny history to learn about. Yeah, crazy. Yeah, because that's the thing is that I've been basically learning everything from scratch as I've gone.

1:39:28Because I didn't know shit. I was just like, how many years have you been in this? Two. Less than two. It's so crazy. I mean, like I was learning. Dunso, you must be a plant. I know, right? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm an operative. I'm a side agent. You're just good at it. If you're good at it, if you're Whitney Weber, if you're you, or a new people. It's just a scientific process of having the right degree of like understanding of just like the right amount of like need to see primary sources in real evidence and the ability to look and test a hypothesis and see what comes out and not being attached to one conclusion beyond what the evidence actually suggests.

1:39:58Also not being afraid to seem foolish to the uninformed. Absolutely. Because so many people will dismiss most of what we've talked about today. Offhand. Yeah. Without any, especially people that only consumed Wall Street Journal, mainstream media. But I had the benefit of being a normie when I started. And so I walked my way in piece by piece. So I know how they started. Like I started with all the black rock conspiracy games. I started with who owns the media, who owns the tampon aisle, who owns all these things. And I would go into the grocery stores and do the videos in the grocery stores where I would like go to the serial aisle and be like, who owns all these cereals?

1:40:34And it turns out the entire serial aisle is three companies. And I mean, the tampon aisle is even better because they're all getting sued for having a rep -ro toxic chemicals in the tampons. Right. Meaning they'll kill your reproductive system. And not only that, toxic shocks. Exactly. Exactly, right? Yeah. And so that sort of, I like walked myself slowly into learning and I walked my audience along with me. And I also developed this understanding of, I mean, I used to be a teacher. And so I have this under a certain understanding of like, how do you communicate in a way that acts that's speaking from their perspective instead of from my perspective?

1:41:05Which right now I'm just talking to you instead of talking to them. Because it's more fun. But when I actually make my videos, I do my best to try to put myself in like, in the shoes of who I'm trying to access. And what do they know? And what do I need to communicate and show evidence of? Right. So then to understand that like, you can look into this and check my sources. Yeah. And you can think about this. You have permission to think about this. You do a very good job of citing your sources and telling people where to look if they want to find out more information about it too. Because a lot of it is a real big deep dive.

1:41:34And it's the most important part. It's by far. It's like, in less year you, unless your person does it for a living, like the amount of time that it takes to find out about this stuff. And then even you, who's been in for two years doing this, like there's, there's decades of layers you need to cover. And it'll take forever. Like Whitney Webb's been doing it for how long? Oh, I don't even know. Alex Jones has been in the game for 30 plus years. Exactly. And there's still always more to learn and always more to connect. And we get new information that puts new light on old situations. It's just re, it's, it's, this constant rearranging game of understanding.

1:42:03And I just love that. I mean, yeah, and most people don't have time for all of it. But as we're sort of stratifying into this ecosystem of content, of like creators and journalists and thinkers, that we're all kind of collectively doing the work together. And some of us are more integral than others. Some of us are just clickbaiters and some of us are like, I'm somewhere in the middle. And then you get some people that are really professional about it. Like, problematically professional about it. Like they can only get so much done. Have you ever looked in the Oklahoma City bombing? No, not much actually.

1:42:30Not hardly at all. Oh, that's good. And one that's like one of those seminal moments. That's a good one. First of all, the amount of damage to the building is not something that you would get from a fertilizer bomb. And the way a fertilizer bomb would work in front of the building, that building's blown out. Exactly. And the FBI was retrieving unblown bombs from the building. Interesting. Not only that, Timothy, like the whole Timothy McVeigh thing is fucking wild. When you go down the rabbit hole and start looking into it, it seems like a false flag. It seems, or it seems like someone else planted bombs inside that building and they blamed it on this fertilizer bomb.

1:43:10What would that false flag have taken us to? Like what did they just see? They passed different gun laws and different laws afterwards. Yeah, I mean 9 -11 is the perfect example of that kind of false flag. Yeah. This thing that's crazy that is all these questions that get covered up and then we just go to war in the Middle East with a country that... Then we have the Patriot Act and Patriot 2. And now it's time. Yeah, and we have all the missing money. Uh -huh. All these things. Incredible amounts of control and surveillance now gets used on the population. Who do you think did 9 -11? Or like what conglomerate of groups where do you think were involved?

1:43:46Well, for sure the Saudis were involved, right? I mean a lot of the people were Saudi. A lot of the people were Saudi. I don't know what that means that the Saudi government had it to do. It could mean it was just people that were recruited by another organization that were with the Saudis. What do you think happened at Tower 7? I think that's a good question. That's a weird one, right? I think that you've decided how it went to information in it. Yes. About both... I think it probably had information about the planning of the attack and or what was going on with the attack. But I also think it had information about other things that needed to go away.

1:44:19Maybe it's old CA operations. Maybe it's banking information. Maybe it's information about the Trillions of Dollars that was missing that Donald Rumsfeld talked about the day before 9 -11. So he gives a press conference in front of the Pentagon. Was the Pentagon? Is that what it was? I don't know where the press conference was. I mean I think it was in a room, but I'm not sure. So he gives this press conference. This press conference he says there's trillions of dollars they can't account for. And it was like what the fuck? The very next day 9 -11 happens. And in one of the buildings where they store data, that building mysteriously implodes like a controlled demolition that like no building has ever collapsed ever just because of fire.

1:45:01I mean, and structural damage for sure, but it's the way it collapsed. Even from planes hitting buildings, no building has ever collapsed like that. Other planes have hit buildings. Broms have gone off in buildings. All sorts of stuff has happened to buildings. And they don't fall down like the main towers did. Let alone building 7. Right. It's all real weird. At the very least, if that was my building, I'd be like, I'm suing you guys made a shit building. Yeah, except that he took out special insurance against plane crashes and against terrorism right before it. But you would take out insurance against terrorism because that place had already been the victim of bombing.

1:45:36It happened. I mean, that was in the Biggie song blow up like the World Trade. Classic move. Talking about Biggie, did he as on the menu, but it's important to mention as we're getting into all these like government conspiracy theories and like CIA did it, Israel did it, Saudi did it. No one's saying ever, unless you're dumb, that the whole government of any of these countries did it. Like when you say like people like in the anti -Israel crowd, people get smeared a lot for like, as though you're claiming that all of Israel did 9 -11 or all of Israel did this thing. Or when you're talking about the CIA, it's more obvious when you're talking about the CIA.

1:46:06We're not saying that the whole CIA did something. Right. We're saying that these groups, these covert intelligence agencies, they are fertile ground for walled off areas of need to know information behind levels of security clearances where plots can be hatched. And they always have been. That's the whole fucking point of an intelligence agency is to hatch plots. Right. It's unreal that they would hatch such an evil and fucked up plot. Right. But it happened. And it only needed to do it. I mean, 9 -11 happened when I was in like grade school. And I remember like where I was and all that shit.

1:46:36And that was the seed that just sort of set under the ground until you know BLM. That eventually sprouted for me. Like I always knew there was something weird. And I saw Zeitgeist when I was way younger. And so I knew that like there's weird shit in this world. But I was a leftist that just wanted to go snowboarding and stuff. So I didn't really think about it until it walked into my city and told me to stay inside and get a jab and all sorts of shit. So they really fucked up with that one. They really fucked up with that one. They really fucked up with that one. Well, I think they thought they had us.

1:47:04Because I think they thought they did. All the people that are in power operating on a paradigm that existed before the internet. Exactly. Yep. Do you know Mickey Willis at all? No. Do you know the pandemic films at all? No. Oh, dude, you should really check them out. Yeah. He's around this area. And I had not seen them before. Plandemic One was this doctor named Judy Micavitz that blew the whistle really early on. And that is one of the things that got all this. Like the fact that you haven't heard of it and seen it is. No, I've heard of it. Exactly. I've heard of it. They just haven't locked it dead.

1:47:33But I was so ball's deep in the COVID thing that I didn't want to see anything more. Because it was me. I was a part of it. You were a part of that censorship. She got that same kind of treatment of like smear campaigns left and right and just the smear campaign against me though was so eye opening. Yeah. When you know that something's not true that's being said on CNN over and over and over about yourself, about yourself and then they take your face and they make you green. It's taken horse pairs. It was so crazy to watch and to be a part of that it was like, wow, I'll never trust again. I know.

1:48:07I know you guys are full shit. And that was a big thing that read a lot of regular people. Like myself included. And a good example of like my take on that is I didn't know about Ivermectin beforehand. So I didn't even just like be like, oh, Joe Rogan said, I was like, fuck it, I'll look it up. They said that it was an award winning medication. I'll find the goddamn award that they got for it. So I looked it up and you found it. It's like, okay, cool. Well, not only that, I said a bunch of stuff I took. They only locked on to this horse pace thing. Well, because Ivermectin is a great threat to their profit.

1:48:35They can't make money off of it. And it works very, very well if you get it early enough. But imagine they ignored all the other stuff I took. I said I took Ivy Vitamins. I took PrednaZone. I took ZPAC. I took Monaco and antibodies. I have a theory about that. And it's that they can't get an emergency use authorization if there is a drug that can be considered a cure, like a preventative treatment. Just a treatment. And so they, right? And so they, and I mean, you've said this many times, right? Is they needed to act all treatments because the one that they went with was administered Ivy post like in the hospital.

1:49:12And it was very, very expensive. Remdesivir is a whole super fucking dark. Cause kidney failure. Oh, yeah. And they knew that full well. They had already tested it out in Africa. And our, our case book, The Real Anthony Fauci, opened my eyes in a big way. In mine as well. Yeah. Yeah. I still had not been sued. No, I was very skeptical about him before I read that book because they had done a great job of connecting him to fringe conspiracies and making him look like a cook. He's the one Kennedy that's out of his mind. And it didn't long enough since he was not a cook. Cause he started doing the vaccine stuff for these moms that were coming to him with vaccine injured kids.

1:49:53And he was not trying to do vaccine stuff, but he saw these kids and was like, I need to fight for these people. And he had been spending time talking about mercury poison. Yeah. Because he was an environmental attorney and he successfully sued all these corporations that were dumping under rivers. He cleaned up the East River. I mean, he did so much great work as an environmental attorney that people forget about because they did such a good job. And again, this is before social media and the internet. Like you could do a great job of smearing someone and making them look nuts. Remember Jenny McCarthy?

1:50:23No. Speared the shit out of Jenny McCarthy because she was suggesting that her child changed after her child was vaccinated. And her child got autism. Bingo. And this is when they were doing the multi vaccines in one day and dosing kids up. And they made her look like a fucking idiot and they removed her from Hollywood. She essentially got blacklisted. That's the story, right? Yeah. There are certain narratives that are golden cows that you cannot touch. And the vaccine industry has always been one of them. The thing about that one is we all would agree. I would have agreed. If you got ahold of me six years ago and asked me about vaccines, like they're one of the most important inventions down here.

1:50:59And then you read, have you ever read dissolving illusions? No. Read that book. Mm -hmm. All of those diseases had dropped off because of sanitation and nutrition. Yeah, I've seen the graphs. Yeah, they all had dropped off. And then the vaccines come along. It means it's not included. Speaking of the current thing that's controversial. And in infection that everyone got when I was a kid. And what happened was you'd get sick for a few days and then you'd be immune for life. Yep. Yeah. And they're making it look like everyone's dying from measles. Like no, if you're dying from measles, you're sick.

1:51:34You're already compromised, which is exactly what happened with COVID. Where 90 fucking plus percent of the people who died at four plus comorbidities. Yep. Jesus Christ. Which is why it was such a red pill for me because I was like literally an ultra marathon runner. That was going to the gym like three hours a day. Like I don't, I need natural immunity. I already have natural immunity. Go fuck yourself. Yeah. What are you doing? And the reason why I was talking about Mickey Wilson, the second plannedemic is called indoctrination. And it's basically a magnum opus about how the vaccine industry, this golden cow, is not just like, it's not just one thing or this thing or one thing.

1:52:12It's a organized group of profit takers that has been growing for decades. And Bill Gates, and he like lays out how Bill Gates got into it. And as on camera saying, how many profits he's made off of vaccines. And how great of a business model of vaccines are. And vaccines as a concept, great concept. But it is so lucrative if manipulated and corrupted that really evil people started to do really evil things with it. Also, you have complete immunity to liability. Yeah. Well, they got that orchestrated partway through that sequence because they were starting to get sued like fucking crazy. Right.

1:52:47Because there was all kinds of injuries. And so that's how they get the administration right? Yeah, yeah, Reagan passed that act. They've got to stop that. You can't just give people immunity because then they lie. They lie so they can sell more stuff. And then they get caught like they did with viox. And they only pay a percentage of the profits. Yeah. And it's not just that you can't give them immunity. It's that you cannot just punish with fines. You have to punish with prison time. Because if you don't punish with prison time, it will never change. That's true of the drug industry. That's true of our government officials that are like, for example, the person that was withholding these Epstein documents from Pambondi and she fired him.

1:53:22No, put him on a stand and at least give him a trial to make sure he didn't commit treason or something else, right? And maybe he's fine and you let him go and he's just fired. But like if you're not going to send the Epstein clients to prison, if you're just going to like find a couple people like 2008 banking collapse, we'll find one, like we'll find all the bankers a little bit and we'll just put one little pawn of a banker in jail. That's why we have this crazy fucking like 2008 was horrible. But it was by no means the last market crash that we're having. Like because no one ever went to jail.

1:53:54They just switched their tactics around and get ready for the next profit taking. And they've already paid everybody off so that they get preferable treatment. And this is exactly what happens to the pharmaceutical drug companies when they get caught, they just pay fines. They don't go to jail. They killed 50, 60 ,000 people with viox. The thing about white collar crime is it's real profitable and there's no consequences. And they have the media because they sponsor the video. And that was usually they're in bed with these intelligence agencies and organized crime aspects in some small ways or sometimes really big ways.

1:54:24Like in the case of the opium fields where they're clearly getting their opium from these poppy fields. And clearly they are interfacing with the drug, the illegal drug trades at least on some level. Not necessarily saying they're collaborating but they're certainly like getting it from the same suppliers. It's just it's really dumb. The idea that they're not is crazy. Yeah. The idea that you're going to have 94 % of the world's opium and you're just going to ignore it while you're occupying the country with the military force. And regarding the fields shut the fuck up. Especially considering so that was George W.

1:54:53Bush, right? But George H .W. Bush, this is a one that's not totally declassified yet. But I've been digging deep into it. I got a whole bunch of documents on it and it's kind of declassified. Is that during Vietnam era we were we were managing all of the opium production in the heroin production in Laos and in the surrounding area. And it was being sold to American service members to make money for the CIA for black operations. And that was George H .W. Bush. That was his time. That's why his nickname is poppy. It's not because he's like the dad. It's because he was brought into that organization with Richard Hounds.

1:55:27Yeah. That's the reason why his name. Oh, no. That's why his nickname is poppy. And then that is still not mainstream CIA like disclosure news. There's a whole fucking rabbit hole about it. Like it is kind of disclosed that we were involved in that drug trade somewhat. But it's not disclosed that that that's why all the Vietnam veterans came home addicted to heroin. Because the CIA was selling heroin to them and to a lot of other parts of the world in order to raise funds for their black budget operations. Because the CIA has always had trouble funding all their operations. Ever since the start what they did with crack cocaine Los Angeles.

1:55:59Bingo. With freeway Ricky Ross. It's all tied in. So Bill Casey who, Bill Colby, rather, who put that all together, he was in the heroin operations in Vietnam. And he was like a little lower down and not running it. And then as he grew up and came to power in the CIA and those other guys that were more competent, Richard Hounds being the primary one, Richard Hounds and H .W. Bush, they were not involved when he went off on his own and tried to set up the cocaine smuggling. And that's why he bungled it so fucking bad because he was a psychopath that didn't have the skill sets required in order to run something that complex.

1:56:33And it eventually when Barry Seale got popped, he was the guy that was flying the like, it used to be I'll drive a truck with a brick of cocaine across the border. And then Barry Seale was this military CIA pilot that said like, I'll just fill my whole fucking plane with cocaine and you get like a thousand runs in one. And he was just flying whole planes over to Mina Arkansas where Bill Clinton was the governor. Yeah, as well as a few other places. That Tom Cruise movie where they get a call from the governor. And they have to let Barry Seale's out, which did happen. Oh yeah. And when Barry Seale finally got popped, everyone started, all the rats started to run and try to look out for their own and eventually that lead to Oliver North taking the stand and totally bungling his fucking job on the stand.

1:57:14You're supposed to be like, bro, you're supposed to be the fall guy. And now we just have this huge fucking problem. Yeah, it's wild. And these are just one of thousands of stories like this. Yeah, thousands and thousands very well documented that originally originally your friend reporter Gary Webb, you're making it all up. You're disgraced and they Gary Webb's writing dark alliance. You can look up his Wikipedia page and Gary Webb exposed how freeway Ricky Ross was the outlet for all this cocaine. And when you and holy shit freeway Ricky Ross is a crazy story. But then when he did a month, three times.

1:57:47Yeah, yeah. What an interesting guy, right? They sell in weed in LA now. Dude! What a full circle. He goes from wanting to be a tennis pro to be the number one kingfin of cocaine. Well, not only this mastermind. Doesn't know how to read. Yeah, the whole time. Yeah, learn how to read in jail. He became a lawyer in jail. And then realized that the three strikes law had been inaccurately applied to him. Whoa. I did not know that. Yeah, they applied it to one specific event. It's supposed to be you get arrested three different times for three felonies. No, I think that they needed to cover it all up.

1:58:23So he's out of jail. Which I shit was starting to come out. Well. Because Gary Webb was starting to fucking, I mean maybe that Gary Webb was after that. But then Gary Webb committed suicide by shooting himself on the head twice. Yeah. It's like, okay guys. Yeah. Crazy movie about that too. Yeah, crazy. Crazy, crazy. There's so many of these things. It's like the idea of a conspiracy theory being a ridiculous, fringe thing doesn't hold water in you. It's like the Jimmy Darsk it's like reading. You mean reading? You used to try it. Jimmy's the best. Yeah, I love Jimmy. He was just here. He just filmed his new special at the mothership.

1:58:57Yeah, Jimmy's the best. I love him to death. I've known him from comedy just from comedy from back in the day. Yep. And then when he was at Young Turks when he was a leftist. Yep. And then which he freely still holds all those same values. No, he holds it down. Like you and him are the two guys I point to when I and him a little more than you know of what I'm like. Where's the saying left still at? It's kind of like you guys and like the like Eric Weinstein is a good example. Yeah, Brett Weinstein. Yeah, there's a couple. Well, there's a lot of them. There's people that say Taiyibi's another one.

1:59:25Taiyibi's great. A lot of them. Yeah, there's people who didn't cave. Yep. But they get boy did they get fucking attacked. Boy, they have a lot of pressure. Yeah. It's like it's so hard to know what's real in the world. And unless you have Shell and Burger unless you have Glenn Greenwald. If you unless you have those people out there that are risking their neck. They're sticking their neck out there that tell you exactly what's going on. This is what funded it. This is how it started. Don't let them say any differently. We made it agreement with Russia. We did this. NATO did that. This is what's going on.

1:59:56And can't be bought. And there's it's so important and they rise now. There's so many of them now and they're coming. It's becoming much more mainstream. And if you look at some of their videos, it's millions of views. And then you find that MSNBC is getting a fraction of that. Yeah. And they're corporate funded, enormous huge organizations with staff. And now they're hemorrhaging people. It's wild to watch the mainstream journalists like the MSNBC folk have to leave. Like do I read just left for example? And like when Don and I'm in left. They get fired. Exactly. They can't say left. They didn't want to leave up.

2:00:28They got kicked out. But they try to make it in the new media world. And they're just like you have no value here because you were never good at this job. You were just good at reading propaganda to us. You look good and you got put on camera. Whereas Tucker Carlson gets kicked out and he fucking slays it. And he just grows bigger and bigger and bigger. Because he's not bought and he's not scared. And he actually is good at communicating and interviewing and getting to the truth. Exactly. And it's so cool to watch this seismic shifting in the industry. Yeah, it's really fascinating. It's a fascinating time.

2:00:57And I think it's good for humans. Oh, yeah. It's good for the human race. And there's going to be a lot of bullshit out there. There's a lot of stuff that's not true. But that's okay too. You'll figure it out. Well, the truth will rise. There's too many people that are telling the truth. And there's too much that's undeniable that once you start reading, you start questioning. Virtually everything. Fun time for two things you guys are just talking. Oh, yeah. Southern air transport. This is the airline. This is the airline used. It came out the same day that they filed a for bankruptcy after being in Columbus.

2:01:29Ohio being used by less than six years. Lesslie Waxner is deeply tied into those CIA laws. A lot of roads lead back to Columbus, Jamie. Oh, yeah. And it's all because of us. We were going to talk about that. I think the rest of our friends. Yeah. James get his own conspiracy files. I heard that. Yeah, Jamie down that. Yeah. Why it just it's wild how many of these things? And again, before the internet, this is how they did business. This is why it's so sloppy. It's because before the internet, you didn't have to cover your tracks. You can get away with this stuff. And the thing about the internet that I love that gets me called a controlled opposition all the time is that I love that all of their tactics work backwards too.

2:02:11I can use those tactics too. I can make propaganda because what propaganda is is just convincing messaging. Right. And if you have convincing messaging in the hands of an evil fucking Megalamanical dictator government CIA whatever it is, that's really bad. But if you have propaganda tools in the hands of regular citizens that have morals and values that want the best for the world correctly applied, you can fight back against them. And so there's this element where I'm like, I'm looking at how do you open people's minds? Like how do you strategize to like get your because in its balance, right?

2:02:42Because when I'm reporting on something, it's important to tell the truth. It's important to be accurate and accuracy. If you really dig enough and get enough accuracy, that reduces entertainment value. But if you find the way to balance entertainment value with accuracy the right way, which is always a moving target, you can change the world. Like I'm a regular dude two years ago. I was an Uber Eats driver and an ultra marathon running guy. I was like a no one in the middle of nowhere. And then I'm like, all right, I'll just contribute and I'll start trying to tell these stories, trying to learn and communicate what's going on.

2:03:13Well, you have to also have to have a particular knack for it. And you have to be really interested in these things. Interest is the most important part. Very actually totally completely interested in it. I think that a lot of people try to get into like podcasting and like this internet field these days because it's like what you're supposed to do. It's a business. But they don't realize that that's going to be your job every day for the rest of your life. You're like, fuck and love it. Yeah, yeah. Well, you're seeing that with a lot of podcasters where they just start off and then they fall off because they can't do it because they're not interested.

2:03:40Yup. And it's a lot of work and a lot of hassle and there's no guarantee of success. Right. It's like very saturated and it's true. And you have to actually be locked in with what you're talking about because if you're not, there's too much competition. There's too many people that are locked in. Okay, what do you think is going on with the whole UAP thing? Dude, I love this fucking conversation. I love this fucking conversation. It's the most interesting. I never get tired of it. Do you want to go the angle of like what are the crafts or do you want to go the bigger angles like what is the phenomenon?

2:04:08Okay, let's start with what is the phenomenon? I think that right now science and religion and UAP exposure are all converging on similar truths. And what I mean by that is that science, so you know the science of consciousness, how we don't really know where the fuck consciousness comes from. But there's a lot of people that start to suggest that it sounds like we're antenna that are receiving consciousness from some sort of consciousness field or some sort of other like. Have you already Thomas Campbell? No, I don't think so. You should read the big toe theory of everything. It's very bizarre stuff.

2:04:40Very hard to swallow. You got to go back and listen to it multiple times. I like that kind of shit. I like that kind of shit. I had him on the podcast and at the end of it I was like, we got to stop here. You have to think about everything you said and then we'll bring you back and we'll go deeper because you wanted to keep going and go deeper and deeper. Like he's been living in these worlds. It goes and goes dude. Because you're talking metaphysics, you're talking physics, you're talking like history and like disclosure about history. And like I suspect that whatever consciousness is coming from is this multiverse, this consciousness field, this ether, this multidimensional thing, whatever.

2:05:11I suspect that's very similar to what UAPs are traversing in and out of and through. And I suspect that's very similar to what we identify as either the gods plural, the aliens plural that have these abilities we don't have. Angels as well as God's singular, which is probably the highest up above all of those things. I suspect there's a version of all these things that are starting to converge on one truth. Because when you learn about remote viewing, that's what really cracked it for me was learning how much money the CIA has invested in remote viewing over the years. The CIA is not spending millions of millions of dollars on some crackpot bullshit that's not going to work.

2:05:47They would for a little while, but they've been doing it and doing it and doing it. And now we've got disclosure from people that are coming out whistle blowing that they are doing it today. And I'm in the program and this is how we did it. Have you listened to the telepathy tapes? I've listened to a few of a little bit of them. I've not listened all the time. I had tickets on the podcast here the day and she explained the whole thing like provable hours and hours and hours of nonverbal autistic kids who have telepathy, provable telepathy, undeniable, 100 % accuracy, wild. Yeah. And I suspect that all of that is and there's a weaponization of it.

2:06:20There's a I mean, it's not just public study of it. I mean, I was very surprised to your e -lons answer to your alien question the other day, which I understand that you probably couldn't talk about it anyway. That's how I take all of his answers about aliens. Yeah. That's like nice try. I had to try. But look, I don't even know. I don't ask him about it off air either. Yeah. I know. I mean, you got to respect him in. He's got NDAs up there. Why is he who for that kind of shit? Also, he has top secret military clearance and he runs SpaceX. Bingo. Yeah, I wouldn't say jack shit. And that's where flat earth.

2:06:56Oh, they're real. They're very subtle. That's what I would say too. Exactly. And I think that flat earth, a lot of the evidence that gets cited as flat earth, like for example, NASA fakes footage. And if you look into it, it's fucking obvious that NASA is putting out fake footage. They're clearly on wires in some of that footage. Clearly some of that footage is underwater and there's bubbles fucking floating up and shit. But that footage, just like NASA publishes all kinds of footage from like the ISS to they have live streams so they do like video and no one ever watches it. Because like whoever watches random NASA.

2:07:24So you think some of the ISS footage is fake? There's a lot of footage you can find online that has come that is coming from NASA where there's like little slips or like a guy is like they're doing their floating shit. And then the buddy reaches out and grabs where a wire is to help his buddy get back into frame. Like little slips of the mind where they're like just trying to orchestrate. Yeah, there's I've never seen any of that. And who knows if it's what it looks. Yeah, so all I'm saying is that gets cited by flat earthers as like NASA's covering up flat earth. And what I'm saying is that there's a lot of reasons why NASA would cover up and produce fake footage from something like the ISS and every single one of them rhymes with aliens.

2:07:58Because if there's any type of aliens going on up here, it's very possible that they are up there in that fucking space station. Or they're like they could be like I don't know and I'm not saying I think they are for sure. I'm just saying that people tend to look at a piece of evidence and jump too quickly on the one explanation that they're sure is right. And sometimes there's other explanations and aliens apply to so many parts of our world like demons. Sound very much like the UAP phenomenon to me, right? A lot of these religious beliefs sound very much like explainable just with different wording by UAP phenomenon.

2:08:32As in some of these aliens, we seem to be we seem to be being told that they communicate telepathically. They have energetic ability, right? I'm just getting to the point where I'm suspecting that we're going to have refining out that religion is like humans trying to interpret these phenomenon over millennia in all the human ways we would and telling stories about them. And I'm not saying that God is not real, I'm saying God is real. And that does not diminish God at all. I almost think it makes God more important and more powerful to understand. Because from my understanding, correct me if you have a different one, it sounds like we're getting a lot of reports that are cross corroborating that there's more than one thing going on.

2:09:09It's not all aliens are the same and it's not they some of them might be us from the future, some of them might be us from under the water, some of them might be other species. Some of the it's really hard to pin down like what all these phenomenon are, but they're definitely not just made up. And I think some of them are ours. I agree. I think and that I think the cover up is the weird part though. It's like if you go back to Operation Blue Book, when they started doing that, the sole purpose of Operation Blue Book is to take any credible story and make it look ridiculous. And they talked about that openly and then Heineck when he left Operation Blue Book became a believer and started talking about UFOs being real.

2:09:51That's a big old red flag right there. I mean the UFO community is filled with people like that that are and it's really hard to know who's who. It's super hard to know who's who. And did you notice how recently like the last a month ago sort of there was this breaking story that set the whole UAP community on fire about this disclosure that I think Jeremy Corba was coming on a whistle blowing on if I remember correctly that they were saying that they're gonna blue beam they're gonna trick us by saying that there's a mothership arriving in three years. Right. Right. And it becomes this thing where it's like how do you know it's he's saying that he's exposing it but how do you know if he's exposed it's just like it's the ultimate test of are you skeptical enough and also open minded enough and thoughtful enough also if there's a believer get them some bullshit.

2:10:36Feed the believer some bullshit. Exactly. And they don't have to know that they're in on right. They don't have to know and it could be like kind of plausible bullshit and it could be corroborated with some other bullshit that you have. I think that's what most bullshit artists are in most fields. I think it's usually useful idiots like people like myself genuinely like I am in some ways one of those people in the sense that if I get fooled by something I become that. Right. Which is why it's so important to think really carefully and to be okay with being wrong because you never know what your sources are.

2:11:05Yeah. And that's also why I'm really I'm really careful not to do very many like leaks or whistle blows or like because how do I know who the fuck you are. I don't want to spend all the time to try to vet you and find out where you came from and your story came from I way rather just learn there's so much to learn one of the weirdest things about Jacques Follets work is that Jacques Follet has been documenting this stuff again. Like since I think the 50s of the 60s when he started but he's also documented historical stories and the historical stories are like from before modern times like 1700s 1800s and these stories are the same story.

2:11:41They're the same story and people never heard of them not only that in the 70s he's documenting this woman that in California found an egg -shaped craft in her yard like she tells this story about confronting this being there's an egg -shaped craft. These fucking egg -shaped crafts all described by people who don't know that someone else has described his story. And no one would ever choose an egg -shaped when they're describing an aircraft. Right. Right. Especially back then. And it's also all telepathic communication. It's all like weird, mild stories. Lapse of time memories confused. You feel like your brain's been erased.

2:12:21Don't know what's going on. You find yourself in a field. How did I get here? It's a lot of weird shit. It's like the same story over and over and over again. Too much so that you get first of all. Clearly when you're dealing with things in the 17 and 1800s it's not modern propaganda. It's not the government. It's not they're not covering up drones in the 1700s. So why these people? Why these stories in the fucking Bhagavad Gita? I mean you could make the argument, not the Bhagavad Gita, but you could make the argument that back then people were writing fiction or wanted attention. Like those could apply.

2:12:51But yeah, I'm skeptical. But yeah, I get down with the ancient ones. Like with the grand cocks of this world. Yeah. That was my first conspiracy theory stuff back when I was a leftist. Because I was just like ancient conspiracy theories. Let's go. It's so compelling. The Great Flood, the Randall Carlson's of this world. And the way that they kind of talk about. And it's so obvious more and more and more that there is a cover up. And Jimmy Corsetti has been really going hard at the ancient archaeology lately. No, he's fantastic. To not just look at the evidence of the old school, like the ancient conspiracy theories, but actually to just go at the cover up today.

2:13:21Because that's sometimes the most effective thing is to just target the cover up. Because that is clear evidence that we're onto something. Yeah, I think because of Jimmy Corsetti and his exposure of them planting those trees and go back to the temple. Yeah. He was one of the first people to see it. Yeah, they're changing it. They're pulling those trees out. Because he was one of the first people to say, hey, those roots are going to damage these ruins. And they're like, no, no, it's fine. It's safe. And then they're like, actually, the roots are damaging the ruins. But then you do get people that go all the way to the gods.

2:13:52The guy that thinks Nibiru is the fourth planet or whatever. Sacrifice it. Sacrifice it. And there's people that go so far down these ancient conspiracy theory rabbit holes that I feel like we're getting way off track here, guys. Like we're starting to cite sources that are not credible and we're taking it to places where like, yeah, maybe the Anunnaki were here to mine gold and maybe were, I mean, I'm very plausible that we're all genetically engineered, I think. But there's like a fine line between, between maybe that could be true. And those stories are the best though. They are the most fun.

2:14:22I'm actually, I'm planning to write a book that is sort of like a series of books really in my, like across my later life that is basically imagine writing a book that is like set in the, you could write ancient books about the old school where if that was book was real, you could still wind up in today's world with all the same evidence we have. And it could be real. Even if back then it's crazy magic and there's like all this crazy shit going on. It could still end up with, oh, the pyramids are left over from that. And oh, the ruins are here after that great flood thing happened. And then you could like write all kinds of crazy conspiracy theory stories into today that like, how could you prove that this is not real?

2:14:58I think that I just think that's the most fun aspect is how much we don't know. Well, there's the evidence of ancient technology is one of the more fascinating aspects of trying to piece together our past because whatever explanation you try to use to make the pyramids none of them work. Nope, not even close. None of them work. None of them work. And even their purpose doesn't make any fucking sense. No. Clearly they were not tombs. I mean, they could pretty clearly are some sort of power generation or something like that energy. I mean, Christopher, I've been seeing Timothy, the grand master of the Knights Templar guy that's going around on podcast these days.

2:15:34Timothy someone's on us. Yeah, dude, it is crazy. Chris Dowd, right? Christopher Dowd. So Christopher Dowd is done. Christopher Dunn, sorry, Christopher Dowd came with a different guys last name. Yeah, I'm thinking of Mike Dowd from the same to the documentary on the corrupt police department. So what's done? Christopher Dunn is all about, well, he's an engineer and his theory was that it was a giant power plant. And he has a very sophisticated, geese of the power plant, very sophisticated. Is he talking about the aquifers underneath them and the two types of stones sort of a thing? He's talking about the physical structure of the way the pyramid was made and that there was, excuse me, the subterranean chamber that they used to generate the like a pounding of vibration that went through the entire structure of the pyramid and generated this vibration and they had chemicals that were coming in that were producing hydrogen.

2:16:26Yep. He had the king's chamber, the way it's lined up. This is exactly how you do it if you were trying to do this. Like everything matches up mathematically. It's fascinating. And they're built on aquifers from the Nile flooding every year. And every year when the Nile floods, water rushes underneath those pyramids through these like stony kind of like porous rocky structures under there. It's just there's so many interesting versions of what it could be. At the very least, it's a mystery. It's also a mystery that shows fantastic engineering and construction methods and the ability to move rocks and bring them from 500 miles away through the mountains that are 50 tons.

2:17:03Like how I suspect telepathy of some form. I suspect like alien capability. Do you think it's technology or do you think it's like what's some kind of technology, right? You don't think it could possibly be that aliens have the ability to literally move things with their minds? I mean, look, if you're dealing with something that can come here from another planet, communicate telepathically, who knows? Who bugging knows? But even if it's human beings, let's say it's super sophisticated human beings that lived at the very least 4 ,500 years ago, because that's the conventional dating of the construction.

2:17:35Even that, you're like, how? Yeah, we can't do it today. How? People that say we can't, sure, we could. It would take hundreds of years. Jimmy's done some great videos where he compiles real videos of us moving large objects today. Like the trucks breaking and the grains falling off a cliff and all this shit of like, look at how hard it is to move these kinds of rocks. It's crazy. It's crazy. And the idea that they were completed in 20 years, which is the total garbage. It's a total garbage. And it's also like these archaeologists, they're so they're clinging to this narrative, because this is what they taught in schools where they were books about.

2:18:09And then when you look at the cover up, there's no reason for that level of cover up if it's just a building technology. That's where I start to go. Clearly that is connected to these UAP technologies, to these free energy technologies, whatever it is. There has to be some sort of reason why covering up how these ancient structures and ancient cultures were built and worked has to relate somehow to something very important and valuable today. I think they also have to somehow another explain it because to say that it's impossible opens up too many doors and it removes the expert because you're not an expert anymore because you're one of us now.

2:18:47You might know more about that site than I do, but you still don't know what the fuck happened. So you have to claim or at least push it out there. You're the voice of reason. You're the voice of this is this is the actual historians. We're the real archaeologist. I'm sorry. We've got it covered. That's not really funny meme the other day that was it was like four pictures and it was humanity gets really intelligent in vents AI AI builds all these crazy technologies and pyramids. Sunflare wipes out AI humanity restarts. Yeah. It could be. That's a fair. A fair I mean how would we know or it could be the asteroids that hit or the comments that hit that younger drives impact.

2:19:26It is an interesting split in the conversation right between the solar flare conversation and the and the common impact conversation right there's like evidence for both right could have been both. It was both and multiple versions of it. Well that's the younger drives impact theory they think there was more than one event. Uh huh. They think there was an event around 11 ,800 years ago and then again around 10 ,000 plus years ago and this this makes sense why civilization sort of emerges 6 ,000 years ago because it's like we're probably fucking savages for thousands of years or probably monsters.

2:19:57I mean I imagine that we only lived inside of sorts of like a lot of things. Like the solar caves type places for a while right. Right. Which is just nuclear evidence of these massive underground structures that can't explain why would someone use the resources at a time of hunters and gatherers to build these underground structures that are fucking insane like yeah multiple football fields underground entire cities that can house thousands, thousands of people and a couple smart researchers point out really is cute astutely that if you were doing that to hide from other humans to like protect yourself from other humans you would never dig into a cave system that you could get drowned in.

2:20:33You would never dig into a cave system that has no way out so that you can just get sealed in. Right. That's clearly not it wants to escape humans. You just have to leave to get food. Bingo. You'd be trapped like the Mongols used to like famously sit outside cities for weeks. Yep. Just waiting for people to starve. Yeah. Just we'll just wait. We have plenty of food out here. And that's another example of this exact same phenomenon we're talking about of these old control systems that work perfectly well in the old era. And now that we have this communication technologies and everyone's getting linked together is just the free flow of ideas that just it's like this natural evolution of consciousness and humanity that we just naturally start to break through those mech I'm I'm of the mindset that yeah we can all change the world and yeah we all our choices do matter a lot.

2:21:16But also in some ways we're all just part of this cosmic system of like the evolution like we're all just part of this giant humanity system right where we all collectively on balance with all the weird probabilities of all these people we're going to evolve technology we were going to industrial revolutionize we were going to find oil we were going to discover electronics we were going to invent AI it was always going to happen right and this is an era that is always was going to happen and it will happen one way or the other like we affect how it happens we could go the Whitney Webb dystopian like they rule us with surveillance every everywhere or we could go to this great utopia of like everyone has enough and we're all you know using technology for the better well thing I think she's right that that's a possibility super important to talk about to well you know Elon talks about like there's an 80 % chance that AI will save us 20 % chance it'll rule us I do respect how he and he openly will say that like like yeah the things I'm inventing could be used for evil like the things I'm inventing are dangerous like and we need to be careful and and regulate them properly and create them with intention and careful care I don't know is he's necessarily doing as much as I would hope he's doing to take care with that but I'm sure glad it's him and not Jeffrey Epstein who was deeply interested in all these same technologies this is a whole other side of him that no one talks about is his interest in technologists and geneticists and all those things right yeah well he had a lot of influence over scientists that's a creepy move like take scientists and throw parties for them through conventions and a couple of them he had he probably a couple of them had some serious accusations like Marvin Minsky for example but I bet a lot of them were not like compromised like Stephen Hawking everyone freaked out when Stephen Hawking was on the list but it makes perfect sense is you realize that he was throwing conventions on that island for scientists specifically to bring them all together because that way you get connections you can get favors even if you're not blackmailing them then they just want to be in your on your good side because you have all these connections and you can fund all their projects and you you become this integral part of this technological sort of space right you so that I was not the only two that's a blunt instrument there's there's a lot of just just connection he also just hooked people up with wives like do you know that he claimed that he introduced Melania to Trump yeah that's a crazy one I suspect Melania conspiracy time I suspect that Melania has been whispering in Trump's ear I think she was trafficked before either either bad traffic or good or just like new Epstein and like knew that world a little bit but I suspect that she's been whispering in his ear about what that really is and does and all that things because a lot of she's been kind of like acting from the back a lot but when you really dig into what Melania's been doing she's very very active in anti -trafficking and in protecting traffic victims and girls and stuff and and as Trump when he married her and then they have barren and he's watching his son grow up so you have this young child and you have this wife telling you about her previous life probably and just whispering in your ear that like this could be your legacy this could be your legacy this could be your legacy right because he used to be friends with those people even though I don't think he I don't think he was blackmailed because I think that would have come out when the democrats were going for him right and maybe he was involved in the traffic king a little bit because of the things that he bought and the people that he knew and like Roy Cohn connections but I don't even know about that but regardless he knows the game and then he marries Melania and then more and more like he was in charge when Epstein went down he was the only one that when Epstein got arrested and they were going around asking for dirt he was like oh fully fucking go operate fuck that guy I'll tell you everything that I know and so I suspect that Melania has been instrumental in his sort of shift to being the only guy willing to go after those traffickers out of all the information that's getting disclosed supposedly this administration what do you have the least faith that we're going to come to the picture and I think it's because of Israel I think that because I think I mean when you really dig into Epstein his entire network was Israel it was clearly he like A .H.

2:25:05Barak was the ex prime minister in the ex head of Israeli intelligence Leslie Wexner was one of the most powerful pro -Israeli philanthropist the whole organization was Israel so I'm not saying it was all of Israel there's all intelligence gathering and and it was targeting Americans it was targeting American officials and the American president and the CIA does have interest in those targets to elements in the CIA does certainly they had help from the CIA and certainly they had helped from these other organized crime and intelligence operations but you don't like so for example Dan Bongino the new was the deputy director of the FBI he recently had this clip that went all around where he said on camera that he had had a source that he trusted deeply and he's an informed guy who's at Fox News interview and the source told him that Epstein was working for an intelligence agency in the Middle East and I don't know which one but someone in the Middle East and to be fair we all already knew this we all we already know who he worked for I least I think so but I'm looking okay Dan so if this giant group of Jewish billionaires is running a sex trafficking operation targeting American politicians and business people and stuff you think they're working with an Arab or Muslim nation in the Middle East like you think that Lassi Waxner is devoting his entire life to philanthropy is on behalf of Israel but then he's going to work for Saudi Arabia when he's doing this trafficking right but if someone says to him that they're all working for a country in the Middle East knowing he knows what that means but not specifying doesn't he kind of have to repeat it that same way well he also has to repeat it the same way because he won't get the job if he says that's real because Israel has so much control over our government right now and I'm not saying that all Jews are in on something clearly internet clearly and Joe is dirt definitely not saying that definitely not but the Israel's government is is every bit as uh as vulnerable to the deep state effect as the American government but I would argue that Israel's government is way more vulnerable to it because of the people that founded Israel and the way it was founded it was founded in a modern time much more recently by like it was a revolutionary founding and and I I can totally sympathize with the Jewish desire to have that state like I get it but because of the way that happened the people that founded Israel were a bunch of organized crime figures in America the Jewish mob that were helping with money and with arms trafficking to get the guns there because they had to have guns and it was the Rothschild banking family set sending a whole bunch of money and getting the declaration in the first place and then the people that were there the three different organizations the Irgun the Lehigh group and the Haganah those were the three like paramilitary groups that fought to found Israel and they're like the heroes of Israel um which I understand the narrative that they're heroes but when Israel was officially founded they officially designated Irgun and Lehigh as terrorist organizations because they had been bombing civilians they'd been bombing British civilians the first official act of terror before they changed the definition was the bombing of the King David hotel where these terrorists these Lehigh and Irgun terrorists couple a bunch different groups who one of the guy who planned that bombing later became the prime minister of Israel they were bombing civilians and and like so those when those are the groups that are fighting to found that nation even if all the Jews there are wonderful people the leadership is inherently composed of these people that have been to deeply corrupt for all time and so you get this fertile ground for this kind of deep state effect to take power and when you start to research the heads of state of Israel over history you realize that a bunch of them were in those groups doing those terrorist acts and have done a bunch of dark stuff because those were the people that were at the top of that military organization like the those terrorist organizations reformed to form the IDF and what's interesting is you can talk about this now exactly October 7th it opened wide oh scossa you want to know a funny story actually I didn't know shit about it and I started doing 9 -11 stuff and I was doing a 9 -11 video on my YouTube and I knew about the dancing israeli conspiracy theory that is very much a real set of documents and I knew that I'm not allowed to talk about Israel for some reason I didn't really know why and I realized like I better fucking understand this thing before I crater my new channel and career on this topic I don't understand if I'm going to take a stance against Israel at all I should understand why and how and I so I started doing research and I saw I shelved that research and I switched to researching israel and palestine and history there and what's going on and I finished the video and it was October 6th and I was like I was very worried because it's like you weren't allowed to talk about it and I had just made this whole documentary about the history of israel palestine and and the propaganda and what it well was I published on October 6th on my locals channel and I kind of had this like lean back and like if that's the end of the ride and I get canceled for this shit so be it and then literally the next day and I'm not saying that October 7th was a good thing but I'm saying that literally the next day the entire internet was a blaze about israel and palestine and everyone was talking about it and it was the weirdest fucking coincidence like and suddenly it was like oh all right let's fucking dig this thing open because unfortunately it is I mean I think fortunately I think that the state the state of the israeli influence that that sustain them for so long that was essential to them surviving this long I think that has grown cancerous to the Jewish faith in general because Jeffrey Epstein is the perfect example of this Jeffrey Epstein was the world's most prolific and evil sex trafficker that we know of so far ever and he very clearly was a Jewish organization of Jewish people working on behalf of israel and other groups and so that's a dark stain on israel and on the Jewish people if you own it like if you try to defend that that's not good you don't want to have to defend that you want to be free of that kind of shit because the Jewish people don't believe in that that's not what Jews are Jews are regular people just like it's the deep state of the intelligence exactly season in israel and the thing about israel is that Jewish people have every incentive to need to defend israel right because if I'm a Jew it's like of course you have to defend israel like that's very understandable it's your people and you don't want another Holocaust like you don't want another like what do you like Jews have been in conflict with other people for ages because they are outsiders and because they are so different and because they grew up and lots of reasons but you don't like as a Jewish person you're now faced with this choice do I stand by israel always forever for everything and defend everything they do or do I get labeled as a self -hating Jew like Dave Smith gets labeled like like Glenn Greenwald gets labeled do I stand against all of my culture and do I get ostracized by my family and by my community but the problem is that if you have to defend everything that israel does you're forced to defend this fucking deep state that is in bed with these organized crime figures right and I would argue that that israeli deep state is just as much in bed with all the other organized crime as our deep state is as the Saudi deep state is like there's evil people at the top of all these governments well the thing is israel is connected to one race of people yeah correct where is the United States what's also is involved in a lot of really fucked up things all over the world when people think about the United States they don't think about it as one thing go yeah yeah and so it just puts it on this impossible situation and it's this it's an impossible conversation that we all and I'm glad for it because it's a maturing process and I think we need to do it very delicately and very carefully and thoughtfully because Jewish people are people and they're not evil like but there are evil Jewish people and there are evil American people and they're evil Saudi people and it's just that's the way it is well said right well said and so and so I welcome the conversation but unfortunately the thing for me fortunately is when I first researched it I came across this documentary on rumble called the occupation of the American mind which is a very well put together documentary that is mostly Jewish people speaking about the history of israel and about how they realized in the 80s when they were there was this specific operation where they they wound up bombing this refugee camp called sobra and shatilla or a refugee camp in a place called sobra and shatilla and there there was other bomb like atrocities it was like I guess it was a massacre wasn't a bombing and it was the first time where western journalists had taken video cameras over there and video feed were coming back of the conflict of what was happening and American sentiment turned really harshly against israel in the 80s there and they realized we don't need to win just the the kinetic war we need to win the ideological war on the global scale because if we don't win that ideological war the whole world will turn against us and can call us a colonial project which I would argue they kind of are but that's not the point here and I don't mean to say I'm necessarily right about my perspective on that but that's when they switched to a propaganda war and they started targeting the United States with propaganda and they hired the world's top propagandists to tell to teach Israelis and Israeli military officials and government officials how to communicate with the west and how to propaganda as the west so that we would remain in the dark a little bit that's why we have this veil and the anti -Semitism thing and this like all that it's why you're not allowed to talk about it because it evolved over time and they eventually how are they hired this guy that I think is called how are a lense and lense worked with the israel project there's a report online that came out in 2009 I think called the israel the israel language dictionary the israel American language dictionary and it's basically a word for word this is this is how you discuss the rockets raining down this is how you discuss the settlements this is how you discuss the occupation in the palace and all these things and they use examples of words that work and words that don't work and when you read it you realize like holy shit that's exactly what politicians have been saying on TV my entire life and they use Obama as one example of really good words that work you should talk like Obama because he's good at sort of empathizing with the other side and making us understand that like we're here for peace there the terrorists and and I say that to mean that we live inside this propagandized space because it's been essential to them for so long to protect that image in order to continue the deep state element of what they're doing when I would argue that we would all be much better off if BB was fucking not there and we had a more sane person in charge of israel that was actually there for peace and not there for whatever the fuck BB is doing and we could start to heal this thing and talk about it and most people in general public aren't even aware that the israeli people were protesting against netanyahu before gauze to resist hundreds kicked out hundreds of thousands of people in the streets and that had been going on for a long time 100 % yeah I suspect I'm hoping I'm not blowing the lid on Trump's idea here I kind of suspect that Trump is kind of in on a coup against netanyahu right now this is just my theory based upon the way he talked about like occupying gauze and the way he's friends with Jared Kushner and the way he's friends with the Adelson's I suspect that these powerful Jews like the Adelson type people are starting to realize that netanyahu is is kind of sinking this ship and he's kind of fucked it all up and that it's not going well for israel in the public conversation like I can I can ratio just about anyone I want on Twitter over the israel thing because the public sentiment is just shifting and it's not it's not healthy for anyone for Jewish people or anyone else and I'd suspect that the powerful Jewish people are starting to see that and are starting to scheme on how do we fucking get netanyahu out of there and put someone in that that can actually be and move us towards some sort of peace because without a genuine desire for like Netanyahu is on fucking cameras saying that they have propped up Hamas in the gauze strip because they don't want a real government in the gauze strip because it's far better for them to run this occupation and to eventually take the land if Hamas is I mean that's not an exact quote everyone should look that up for themselves but not just propped up but funded exactly yeah and intentionally like kept there you just when you hear that you're like well what's the logic for funding Hamas what what what what the exact same logic is us funding the Taliban yeah the exact same logic you see that same strategies did you see that I got a wish I remember where it was happening where someone had to say are we really sending the Taliban 40 million dollars yeah we were yeah 100 % yeah and it's and it happens over and over and over again as we just are like we're just sending money willing nearly to all these like Ukraine Israel Taliban you name it like and those are just a small spatter we've done it across the whole world Indonesia central and South America forever and this playbook of the deep state is a funny term I think it's kind of time to retire it because it's not the deep state it's like this corporate like transnational corporate criminal organization space where transnational corporations like the banks like JPMorgan Jamie Diamond they were banking Jeff Reppstein they don't answer to us they're not American they don't give a shit about America like they give a shit about money and power and they're legally required to because they're a public corporation that's a whole black rock yeah we can go down it's crazy and so like when you look at it as as people who have this globalist and actually that's why people shit on Alex Alex Jones for saying globalists like all the fucking anti -Jew people are like just say the Jews and it's like not it like there's way more going on here and the and the tie that binds all of them together the clashwabs of this world the the Jeff Bezos is the and I don't know maybe Jeff's a good guy I don't know but like the people that don't think in terms of these are my people and I love them but I'd rather I'm like a piece of this global community of billionaires that were like our job is just to make money and fucking control the world like Bill Gates is a great example they live outside of our world and they do not give a shit if COVID kills 10 ,000 people or 100 ,000 people or if 10 million people whatever and I'm I'm generalizing because obviously they are individuals and they each have their own perspective on what's going on but it feels to me from research and there's enough of them that are evil that they're fuck doing some horrible things and the ones that are a little less evil maybe they know what they're in on maybe they only know some of it because you don't have to disclose everything and these kinds of plans like for example in a CIA plot to overthrow the government of Guatemala you're not telling everyone the whole plan they didn't tell Smedley about that no they didn't tell him shit right they told him that like this they told him that they were going to overthrow a communist that was already taking over the what like I think they probably told him that he was a Jewish communist because they think they are riding on like FDR's second and command was Henry Morgan Thou Jr and he was deeply aligned with the Jewish like the rich Jewish kind of powers in the world at that day and there was a lot of anti -Jewish sentiment back then and so I suspect that they told Smedley Butler that like this this guy's a fucking Jewish plant and he's part of the Rothschild thing and like we need to he's a communist we need to overthrow him and Smedley didn't buy it Smedley collected fucking research on them and he went to FDR and he exposed the whole plot but the problem was that FDR couldn't do anything because these people titans of industry like like the bushes of the world the fords the I don't even know all their names at this point it's been a while since I did that dig he couldn't do anything and so nothing happened he couldn't charge them because they just said you just got out of the Great Depression we will fuck your economy up done done and there's so much power let's bring this to a fucking halt yeah enough you freaked me out the party blue the whole thing up dude and let's really much let's really quickly though be clear okay Joe does not agree with everything that I just said on this podcast yeah Joe doesn't know shit okay so upset this is Ian Carroll speaking and right you're out racist and also like I'm perfectly willing to have a conversation about this like I don't know that I'm right about everything I just know the sources I've read and where I've read them and and I try my best to figure out where they are very very reasonable very reasonable and you know we do this and I think it's a valuable service so thank you very much thanks a lot of my man thank you it was very enjoyable tell everybody how they can find you yeah um find me on x Ian Carroll show and I have a new website that just launched which is cancel Ian Carroll dot com so cancel me bitch perfect tell me Bye everybody