#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

26:01So the immune system, if you want to break it down, this is really simply, you have your TH1 arm and your TH2 arm. Your TH1 arm is a really important one. Those are your T cells, your lymphocytes, the cells chew up any garbage that's going around. That's the part you want activated in any infection you have, whether it's COVID or measles or smallpox or whatever. Then you have your TH2 arm, which is there mostly to deal with parasites and things like that, and it's mostly an antibody arm of immunity. That's the one that vaccinologists are obsessed with making sure there's enough antibody. So the vaccines that have aluminum in them, as opposed to the live attenuated vaccines, which don't have aluminum, all the other ones do.

26:40So your DTAP is going to have aluminum in them, all your killed vaccines are going to have aluminum in them. And that is very well known to trigger that TH2 response, which is the allergic response, which can set up your body for autoimmunity. Part of the purpose of breastfeeding, which is part of the blueprint for humanity and every other mammal, is that the mother is able to introduce antigens in the world to her baby through her own breast and things that she's been eating and breathing in, and then the baby is able to develop tolerance. So, you know, while vaccine scientists are obsessed with getting antibodies and ramping up an infant's inadequate immune system, the fact of the matter is that it's more important to learn what not to react to when your immune system is developing, rather than to becoming defensive against every microbe that could get you.

27:28So that's kind of the paradox there, and one of the battlegrounds for immunology within immunology, and for those of us out here that are going, what are you doing here? You're also talking in your book about the importance of breast milk and the amount of nutrition that's in breast milk for a child and what it does for a child, and the differences in their immune system, the differences in a lot of different aspects of their development, which is pretty fascinating. And most people kind of just assume it's food, it's just food, but it's a lot more than that. It's so much more than that, and I was actually quite startled when I really went down that rabbit hole to see not only, I mean, it is food.

28:12It's excellent nutrition with short -chain fatty acids and sugars that the baby needs and actually trains your gut to be healthy in the long run as an adult, which trains your immune system as well. But what that mother is putting through her breast milk, things like something called hamlet, H -A -M -L -E -T, which stands for human alpha -lactal -bumin -made lethal to tumors. And this is a substance, this is a protein, it's like a transformer protein that can literally turn into a cancer -busting molecule that is being used by the oncology industry, okay? And when it's not in that form, it's a powerful protein that fights off pertusses, all kinds of pneumococcal bacteria, and when it's not doing that, it's food.

28:58Okay, so it's like, it's got so many different purposes. Stem cells are coming through that mother's milk. Activated T cells, activated T cells have another substance in them that is kind of hijacked by the oncology industry. And that is when they're immunosuppressing kids for leukemia or whatever, and they come in contact, say, with chickenpox. What they can do is get somebody like me who's immune to chickenpox naturally and take my memory T cells that remember that, and there's a substance in there called dialyzebolucocyte extract. When you put that into another child, even if whether they eat it or inject it into them, it transfers cellular that TH1 important arm of immunity.

29:42I just told you, it transfers it onto them and protects them for a long time. So that's kind of in the old days when mothers had measles in the old days, and normally, and they were able to pass this powerful immunity through that DLE factor, as well as all these other things, including preformed immune globulins. I mentioned something like 80 ,000 stem cells. It's just incredible. And we still have only hit the tip of the iceberg in terms of what we know about breast milk. But breast milk also, it's been proven again that if you're going to, if you are going to vaccinate your baby, if you're breastfeeding, the vaccine will bring that baby more into a TH1.

30:23If you're not breastfeeding and you're giving formula, that baby is going to move more into a TH2 in response to that vaccine. So, like, if I think if most women understood the powers of breast milk, they would do everything possible to be able to do it. I think you make a very compelling point for that. I think it's arrogant that we could assume that we could replace something with, I mean, we ever read the ingredients of formula. But how could that be good? Parasites, we have parasites that have been parasites upon humanity for such a long time. And that's what happens is that something is discovered.

31:00And for some people, maybe it can be a good idea, but then the parasites take it. And so when it came to breastfeeding, it was, you don't have to do that. You don't have to bother yourself like that. You don't have to pull your boobs out in public. You don't have to become a dairy cow. Just strap them down. The milk will stop. And then you can start putting this wonderful. When I was a kid, I was fed soy milk in a warm plastic bag. That was the fad then grown up. So the formula industry is a huge money maker. And some women do prefer it. Fortunately, 75 % of women in the USA today do initiate breastfeeding.

31:36So that's very much better than the polio days when almost nobody was breastfeeding. And they were using milk in the infant formula that had been contaminated by what the cows were eating. Oh my god. And so that was another part of the polio story that's not been told. So the cows were all eating these pesticides. Yes. And herbicides. Yes. And the cows were getting sick with it. And then these people were drinking the milk from that cow and getting sick as well. Well, the cows wouldn't have been getting necessarily getting sick from it, but it would be concentrating in their milk. And so the milk, the milk would have been expressed.

32:12But what you just brought me back to another place. Cows were also used during the smallpox era and what you're saying is true about that. So they would basically take what they thought what, sorry, it's just so dark that I sometimes you have to laugh. But they would take pus from other animals, scratch it into the belly of a cow, then take the pus, the pus off of the big pimples that would form on the belly of a cow. The cow could become very sick. And yet that's cow could still be butchered up at the butcher shop. The butcher would get sick with pempagus or some hand and mouth disease or, you know, so things that the cows normally hatch.

32:50And so those cows could still be used to produce meat in those cases. I don't know that it was used to produce milk. I don't think that would have. I don't know, but I know it was used to produce meat because the butchers were getting sick and the people that were eating the meat were getting sick. And certainly the people that took the vaccines that had certain who knows what in them because it was shown like into the 1970s, 80s and even recently I have a reference after the year 2000 that there was more bacteria and fungus in the smallpox vaccines than there was smallpox virus. So it was because they had this thing called pure lymph, which was pus that came out of the horse of a horse's foot or a donkey's pus skin or or cadaver of a human or a cow's ulcerating utters and scraped into glycerin and called pure lymph and marketed all over the world as a said this is the look joke.

33:43So this was our success. This is the one vaccine eliminated eradicated a disease. Can you believe that fairy tale? I'll tell you another one like that it doesn't get crazy. This is our success. This this vaccine that I have described in great detail with what was in it and what people saw under microscopes and then later tested genetically was what was called a quasi species meaning they don't even after a while it became its own thing. It wasn't from a horse anymore. It wasn't from a human anymore. They called it humanized horsepox when they when they genetically characterized the drive acts and then ordered that every drive act specimen on the planet be destroyed.

34:24I think that was around 2009. Why did they do that? Good question. I don't know hiding the evidence possibly but they now have a new vaccine which doesn't work. But they wanted to bring this one back when I was in my peak of my career in 2003 they I got a letter on my desk. So that's stating that they needed people to get vaccinated for smallpox so that those other people that were getting vaccinated would have somebody that could treat them that would be immune to smallpox because it's well known that if you get a smallpox vaccine and you get these horrible scabs that you are going to spread smallpox and you're going to have a horrible itchy time of it secondary infections you will need a doctor at some point.

35:09Well it turns out that the trials that they did on super healthy people soldiers that were in top shape were so bad in terms of cardiac disease and other diseases that the government put it on hold for a second said oh no no we can't do this meanwhile guess what they were using the same vaccine in the 1700s and 1800s. Yeah, late 1700s all through the 1800s into the 1900s they would sometimes you probably saw the picture the child's arm considered a good take five huge ulcers on the arm with sanitation being what it was no antibiotics. Can you imagine having your baby have five scars on its arm ulcerating from these things having fevers sometimes the arms became the chronic sometimes the disease spread all over the place and there was nothing to give them except bloodletting mercurials and our centricles and heating them up in a dark room with no sunlight that was the treatment for smallpox so you tell me why smallpox was so lethal.

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37:08Your first box of food plus free shipping just go to the farmers dog dot com slash Rogan tap the banner or visit this episodes page to learn more offer available for new customers only well what's fascinating also is that most people aren't aware of the just the general public health conditions during the time of the smallpox outbreak that's right and the way the way people lived is almost unheard of you you wouldn't know what you're doing. You wouldn't be able to imagine just the smell of human feces everywhere like streets were filled with outhouses there was animal shit in the streets it was no sanitation there's no running water it's a disaster it's a disaster and there's no good food so you got malnutrition you exposed to numerous pathogens and just in the waste you probably a fecal matter on everything it's probably unavoidable attracts in your house it's a everywhere you go it's your drinking water yeah drinking water was a pet you would skim the top off drinking water back then and we know that co infections make make any primary infection worse you know if you have measles and you get a co -infection it makes it worse covid with a coin for anything makes it worse you end up with you know pneumonia's and plus pockets in your lungs so yeah thank you for that description I don't think I could have done it much better myself but that's that's the that was normal it's go watch gangs of New York like that's that's obviously a drama and you know it's probably not completely accurate because I bet it's pretty close yeah it's pretty close down people live back then yeah the slums like you can you can actually like in here it's not all medical articles articles quoted some of the quotes that we use are historical quotes from you know anthropologists that would go through the slums in New York you know the Ellis Island was just bringing people in bringing people in these they would sometimes have 20 people in one room with no privy dark you know like you say some of the in the sewage would run underneath the house to the smell of it would be coming up to the whole time and then you have them working 16 hours a day at the age of anything upwards of four to five years old could be sent to either coal mines or canaries to bring money in for the families to barely survive so people weren't being paid very well but you just said smallpox being what it was but what people don't realize is that in the 1600s late 16 80s doctors were describing smallpox as one of the easiest diseases to treat if you simply just supported the human again quoted that and then what happened is the industrial revolution and people were taken with the land enclosure acts out from the farms and brought into cities which didn't have the pigs basically were the garbage men back then so the pigs ran wild thank God because if they didn't it would have been even worse horses were your cars so the horse were dumping everywhere you know some people just they said there was a foot of horse manure to get through to walk across the street so it was it was horrible and pretty much every way you can think of and and then the human oppression on top of it in terms of the poverty that was there and the wealthy elite at the top kind of you know living the good life but it was starting to filter up to them at some point which is why it was actually individual people that sponsored the first public drinking mountains and things like that was probably partly to save themselves because if you can if you can stop disease from running running rampant through society look they still had to go into the cities to get things right and even if you sent your servant into the city a servant could bring you home something lovely from the city.

40:40Yeah. This is not the picture that was painted when we were children of what society was like you know we were told that this vaccine was so important and it was so effective that we don't need it anymore I actually ended up with one when I was very young I think we're talking about when we're saying the conditions that these conditions aren't known to most people and that these conditions coincide with these diseases and that's probably it's probably not just a coral reef. So the conditions correlate with the with the diseases and the conditions also correlate with the death rates okay and so there were many of the diseases that were talking say just diarrhea do you know diarrhea killed more people in the civil war than bullets yeah and lots of other wars diarrhea.

41:29Diary can be caused by lots of things nothing that we vaccinate for essentially well I mean today this road of virus but that wasn't a thing then it was more you know typhus and things like that so and call the idiot from water yeah that's what that would have been because they would be out you know in the in the in the bush or the trenches you know drinking what they could so.

41:52Redirect me again we're just talking about the okay so the the diseases that there were never any vaccines for we see the death rate come down at the same exact avalanche as the diseases that we did vaccinate for and in some cases there's a little blip when the vaccine comes up and things get worse for a bit and then come back down. So again the point of the book was just interpreting the data that existed for a really long time vital statistics throughout the world as to the decline in death rate in some case the disease rates went down to but the most important thing was the death rate because that's what people you maybe could die you have to have a vaccine right it's not your baby could have a rash right.

42:32You know so different diseases have different severities and and different solutions and different ways to treat them so that they never have to present to a hospital but like you said you know back in those days you know there wasn't the pharmacies basically had your mercurials our centricles if you were lucky some homeopathics. That was pretty much medicine back then until aspirin was invented which was probably one of the reasons why the nineteen eighteen flu looked as bad as it did because they were giving people up to ten grams of aspirin a day which can cause pulmonary edema and a healthy person so what was this logic behind the arsenic and the materials like how did that become an approach that they use for medicine.

43:15Well I don't know actually don't know the answer to why they started doing that. Those are two really bad things. Well I'll tell you I'll tell you how they prescribed it as they would say give one grain until emiscus occurs that means throwing up so give it until a person throws up because back then they believe that if they could get you to throw up they thought if bringing stuff out of your body was good blood letting throwing up and diarrhea and so that's how that was the threshold for giving a lot of these drugs so they thought instead you know how can you get someone to have diarrhea and with as a doctor okay well we can give them mercurials and arsenic that will do the trick and so they thought that they could purge the body by doing that.

43:52I think medicine past present and future yeah okay paradoxically is therapeutic agent that has been used since ancient times for the treatment of multiple diseases so does it actually cure some stuff. Small doses well well well how much is the cure of a dead patient or a patient with neuropathy you haven't really cure it. Anyone right who isn't a dose dependent right it says arsenic trioxide the active ingredient in the traditional Chinese medicine was shown to produce dramatic remission of acute Paul you could say that word. Ma 'am pro mylostatic leukemia thank you. Yeah similar to the fact that vitamin A could do it okay right trans retinoic acid so retinoic acid which is vitamin A.

44:36Yeah okay that's interesting well I would say vital is probably less risky than I'd say it's less risky for vitamin A then arsenic. I mean that's a different kind of arsenic slightly different kind of arsenic or a lower dose of arsenic is that. They would they measured things in grains back then so I guess that's probably like maybe like a milligram something like that. But the Chinese medicine is probably the root of it right why they thought it was medicine could be. And maybe they use the wrong arsenic or. I guess you start trying the things that you have right. Mercury is a crazy one though.

45:12How would they know that's poison forever? Like it wasn't that quick solver though. It's the same thing or no. I don't know. It's a fascinating metal because it's liquid it's a liquid metal. Yeah. A lot of people played with it when they were kids. I know some of the smartest people I know talk about how they played with the mercury ball when they were little. And it's in thermometers and obviously it works quite well. There's there's a use for mercury. But the reason that. That it's put into the it was actually in the MMR vaccines and some of the flu vaccines is because it's an antimicrobial.

45:46They'll kill everything so maybe that was part of that because it will kill everything will kill the microbes in a petri dish. So in order to because this is one of the realities of vaccine manufacture which I want your audience to understand on. Is that vaccines while it might look like just a clear liquid in order to make a vaccine you have to have either a cow that you put ulcers on and scrape the pus off. Or you can evolve it as it had evolved to maybe getting you know some tumor cells that came out of a Cocker Spaniel's kidney or monkey balls or. Or a monkey kidneys and you plate those cells out and then you inoculate it with what you want to grow to put in your vaccine later.

46:27But in order to keep those cells alive you have to put animal blood on it you have to put different nutrients on top of it you have to put antibiotics can amycin you know things like that related to the COVID. Here mercury okay so in the end you can kill you can make sure when you have your final product that if you put a little bit of mercury in there. That it's less likely for any of the fungus or the spores or the bacteria or the adventitious viruses that you didn't know about that were there before will be in your final product. Wonderful so you have a product now that you can be not completely sure has any of these deadly microbes but now has mercury which the only places it's actually okay to have on on the planet mercury is in vaccines your tooth or toxic landfill.

47:13So if you were to drop a vaccine at a vaccine clinic onto the floor the has -mat guys were coming you do not allow to just pick it up if it's got to if it's a mercury containing vaccine has Matt people have to come and take that away yet we're okay to take you know set a portion of that vial and injected into you know child a three month old child. How does that work. It doesn't sound logical and then there was also the the issue with the different types of mercury right there was is it methyl and Ethyl it's too different yeah apparently Ethyl is good and methyl is bad according to Paul off it well senior vaccine scientist but the fact of the matter is once once mercury is methylated and like fish fish can methylate mercury and they can get rid of it once we de -methylate mercury it's it's in us until you do something like something called chelation where you can put a chemical into the body that can grab onto it pull it out through your urine.

48:10Otherwise you stuck with it so in my opinion all mercury is bad shouldn't be put into human shouldn't be in our food sources shouldn't be in our environment except for in the way you can even find uranium in nature right it's what people do to it to concentrate it and how they use it that becomes a problem. Wasn't the the issue that one of them I don't know what's methyl or Ethyl mercury leaves the body quicker. Yes it's Ethyl mercury that leaves the body quicker because methyl is a it's a it's a chemical that gets put onto it naturally and apparently I'm not an expert on mercury poisoning but apparently methyl mercury we don't have the ability to excrete but Ethyl mercury we do.

48:55Yeah. But wasn't there also an issue that it crosses the blood brain barrier? Well anytime there's inflammation anything can cross the blood brain barrier with the it's the aluminum that we really know crosses the blood brain barrier and that's still in vaccines today and yeah anybody we get into blood brain barrier if you want to that's a whole other story. But yeah so mercury obviously it can get into the brain it's found in the brain it can get into you know your adrenals and your other glands and important areas of your body and even the thing is that even at such low levels can cause problems no neurotoxin there's no has no place for circulating or being deposited in the human body in any form.

49:40But isn't it fascinating that they've done such a good job promoting this that people are going to get outraged at what you're saying. They've done such a good job. Welcome to my life. And you've got a lot of courage and I want to commend you for that because writing that book and being here talking about it takes a lot of courage. And it's from regular people who want to believe the vaccine they're scared here than anybody the people that are just rabid vaxers and they want they they stand for science like they're the warriors for science and they get very aggressive about it and they don't even want to breach the subject they don't even want to look at it.

50:17Because the more you look at it if you're a logical rational person without like a deep -seated ideology attached to vaccines and you just look at the reality of it you just go what what is this. How did you trick people and do injecting. How many a year now for kids what is it in the seventies were in the set I believe we're in the seventies that's insane yeah that's and then you want to demonize anybody who says anything about vaccine side effects. You are the craziest of cooks they come down you with the hardest publicity campaign it's so transparent you see it coming a mile away and you're still shocked by how blatant it is and no one wants to look at the actual issue itself.

51:03No one wants to say like well is she right if you read your book you're is she right. If you're right and I think you're right like we've been lied to and we've been tricked into thinking that this is all settled science and that's what's infuriating it's not that it's anti science it's like this is not science what you guys are doing it's not science you've subverted you've you've perverted that notion. And you've you've done it an amazing way I mean hats off to you what they've done in terms of like brainwashing people to believe that all this is. It's not just necessary but it saved millions of lives in anybody that is against it in any way shape or form is a quack and you should be deplatformed and never talked about again and polite public society and cocktail parties will be shunned.

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53:53and so did his two test subjects that he used. And it was well known to follow smallpox. Lots of doctors talked about it. But in about two or three years after the vaccine was accepted in England, you hear doctors speaking out about it, cursing the day they ever agreed to do it to people, to children, to anybody. And so what happened is that the government came down harder and started making it mandatory and would take your furniture away and started intimidating the doctors. And that's an age old thing as well. And I experienced it in any doctor that's ever stepped out of line and said something bad about vaccines will either be intimidated or worse.

54:32So two under 20 years of propaganda. And so I'm just going to give you one example. And I'll give you a copy of this to have. And you can put it up later if you want. But in 1984, because there was so much going on in terms of the public learning about the problems with the diphtheria tetanus pertussis vaccine and the polio vaccines, that a federal register was issued by the government and went to all health departments in the United States, which is supposed to just kept there and never circulated. And it said, quote, any doubts whether or not well -founded about the safety of the vaccination program must not be allowed to exist.

55:11That's literally what it said. It's straight out of, you know, Lenin. So you had that. And then you have the changing of the goalposts and the outright lies within scientism. Because it's not science. It's the religion that calls itself science. And we still are a victim of that today. Most science today is sponsored by the very people that are going to profit from it. And I think even look, even Jenner who invented the smallpox vaccine never did a scientific study. He never did a controlled study. He never did non -vaccinated people, vaccinated people, and then exposed them to smallpox in a large enough group.

55:49He would cowpox them and then expose them to smallpox. And it was well known that smallpox followed cowpox. So it's just been, look, again, I never expected to be here. I just wanted to be a healer. I just wanted to be a doctor. I wanted to be a nephrologist and teach medical students and make the world a better place for people. That's all I ever wanted. This is a nightmare for me, actually, too. While I've met some incredible people and I've had a really good life and I have no regrets and I would do it all again, no doctor wants to be put in a position where their integrity is doubted, their sanity is doubted.

56:25And if you want to pull up a page called, it is called, Rational Wickey, I think, maybe. Wickep. Anyway, I'm considered a Sith Lord. And in fact, I didn't know what a Sith Lord was back then. I had to actually look it up, some like Darth Vader. So it was a bit of a compliment. But on the other hand, most doctors can't tolerate being called quacks or having the reputation destroyed. And I went from treating a CEO of actually the head of the laboratory at my hospital for hypertension to be coming somebody that was doubted on every levels after a while because of one thing that I said, which was, can we stop giving vaccines to my sick patients, to people who are having chemotherapy, while they're having chemotherapy to my patient before I've even seen them on the ward.

57:15Can we just hold this up and give it to them on the day of discharge? That was my request in the beginning. That's how this all landed here. And had they not try to intimidate me, doubt me, and pushed me to research and show that what I saw was actually real, I would still be lockstep working as a regular doctor because there were some good things about it. So, look, even if you look at what happened with COVID, let's just look at that. Like how did they pass this off? Look at the media today. Do you know that they're giving COVID vaccines to six -month -old children now? We know how bad is, we know that it ruined stem cells and pregnant women.

57:50They don't give stem cells to their babies. The industry's upset because the placentus no longer have stem cells. And they used to use those stem cells in research and cosmetics, et cetera. They're not getting them anymore because what the COVID shots did to the placentus and those infants, that's not being talked about in the media. Nothing bad about the shots being talked about when we have Kevin McCurne and all these people looking at it, go home, there's SV -40 in it. There was a staffel cockle endotoxin gene, there were two snake genes in there. You know, it's a definite gain of function.

58:18Nope, we got to put it on the vaccine, the baby vaccine schedule. Because any doubts whether or not well funded about the vaccination must not be allowed to exist. That's why. That sounds like a religion. And it sounds like a cult. It sounds like a crazy cult that the whole world's been sucked into. Giving a COVID shot to a baby today is insane. Three of them. They get three by the certain, I know you'd have to look up the schedule, but I believe it starts at six months and they get three of them kind of boom, boom. Dr. Schruly recommending this? It's on the, it, look, there's a group of people called ACIP, the doctors usually with vaccine interest in their bank accounts, that make the recommendations for the vaccines and they've recommended that six month old.

59:03So if your doctor is following the ACIP program, you have to be offered that vaccine. And now that doctor, this is another part of the story. Is that doctor's likely to lose $250 ,000 a year if they don't do that? Because there's incentive given to hospitals and doctors, which is what naively I was on the other end of when I woke up in 2008 and said, wait a minute, why are we doing this stuff to my sick inflamed patients? You're giving more inflammation. It's because the hospital would lose something like $40 ,000 if they didn't give a vaccine within the first 24 hours of admission. Oh my God.

59:37And they would get $40 ,000 if it was all a money game. That's really the bottom line of it. And I didn't know that until a nurse years ago who was a high level administration, she said, she's there and this is why they did that to you. Oh wow, okay, well at least it makes sense now. Nobody wants to think of it as a business. Nobody wants to think you're making business decisions at the expense of someone's health and possibly whether or not they make it. Like what are you doing? Well that's been the case since basically the medical profession was infiltrated in the early 1900s by high level interests that didn't want us thinking for ourselves and carrying on with the natural cures that actually work, carrying on with normal midwifery.

1:00:22There was just so many changes that happened as a result of best practice medicine, not to mention the forming of the AMA by a couple of real quacks. That's a really good story. And the AMA would give their stamp of approval. So say you created an infant formula will say AMA approved and your infant formula would sell even better. Remember when doctors smoked camels because camels were bad. That's the case. And this is also the time when this coincides with when Rockefeller was designing the school system, right? Well first Rockefeller, I think oil was one of their primary. So that's the pharmaceutical aspect of it.

1:01:02Oh so you want to talk about school stuff? No but he did both, right? He was a part of both. So he was a part of the reason why natural cures are so easily dismissed and why so dismissed. Because Rockefeller put the entire medical establishment on oil based. So all pharmaceutical drugs that are made by using oil. Yeah. And he did it because he sold oil. You know that one of the ironies kind of works. Yeah. I got rid of a really bad case of manje in a dog by caracene, putting caracene diluted in olive oil. And they had been through everything. They could not get rid of this manje on this beautiful dog.

1:01:37Oh wow. It was crazy. It's a dog. And yeah, so. Manje is horrible for dogs. Oh. Really bad. But one spray was done. I had a dog that I picked up. Yeah, to keep careful around the flames and stuff. I had a dog that I picked up off the street and took her in. And she had horrible manje. But it all went away with just food. I just gave her healthy food. No, we can't. Joe, come on. You had to have an expert help you. No caracene. No nothing. Just love food. Well, that was an argument I had in the hallway once with the senior chief of medicine. He was like, he would always say so. How are you today?

1:02:12Normally be like good. You know, superficial confidence. I said, by the way, I'm having real trouble with, you know, the H1N1 vaccine. My patients getting kidney failure after getting it. And he turned dark on me. I never saw him dark before. And he said, no, that just didn't have time to take effect. And of course, then I heard every kind of sound bite in the book from him, which I didn't know or sound bites at the time. And then he said, well, what do you think has happened with men and giders? And these college kids, I'm like, oh, come on. That's a total no brainer. It's like their nutrition goes down the tubes and they leave home.

1:02:41They're smoking. They're staying up all night long. They're hanging out with their pals. They're doing everything they couldn't do and they were, oh, you've got to be kidding me. So you think it's their food that's causing problems. And I was like, well, what medical school did you go to? Like, I was actually taught that nutrition matters and how it matters and why it matters. But that's been almost completely threat. Like if you're, if you want to sneak of vitamin C into somebody's hospital room, you know the best way to do it. Don't bring in jar vitamin C because they will stop that at the door.

1:03:08You get yourself a McDonald's milkshake or a burger. And you just dump that milkshake out and you put something else in there or smoothies with some vitamin C and they will say, off you go, that's perfectly fine. That's going to be great for this person, this child. That's how you can get it in. Because they think that McDonald's is wonderful. In fact, McDonald's are kind of situated proximal to a lot of hospitals and the McDonald's, Ronald McDonald's houses are there and everything else. But bring in a homeopathic or magnesium or vitamin C and you've got to get permission for it and go through so much red tape and a lot of time you'll be told, no, you can't give it because, oh, you'll cause bowel in the crows, you'll cause diarrhea, you'll cause kidney stones, everything in the book that doesn't actually happen with vitamin C.

1:03:50It's what most, look, they've measured vitamin C levels on people that enter hospitals and pretty much everybody's deficient or on the border of deficient when they enter and pretty much everybody when they leave has got borderline scurvy. If not full scurvy, fortunately they go home and start doing other things and can rebuild some of their vitamin C scores. But there's a lot of subclinical scurvy walking around out there and those are the people that are gonna do the worst with the vaccine and then the worst, they're gonna do the worst with it. Subclinical scurvy in modern society, just from poor diet.

1:04:24Well, you know, it's not just the poor diet, so any kind of stress will consume vitamin C. A cigarette will consume 75 milligrams of vitamin C and they tell you that you only need 190 milligrams a day, that's the FDA requirement. So you just have a few cigarettes and you've depleted your stores. So we don't make our own vitamin C as humans, humans and guinea pigs, you know, we don't do that. And so we have to consume it. And we're reliant upon our fruits and vegetables or supplements to do, or if you eat organ meat, you can eat the adrenals that are loaded with it. But aside from that, your fruits and vegetables that are gonna give it to you.

1:05:01So if you're under a lot of stress or you're taking medication or you have a lot of inflammation or arthritis, whatever, that's gonna consume vitamin C. Because vitamin C is an antioxidant as well as an antiviral and, you know, good for your nervous system. So yeah, most people are walking around skimming the edge. If you have, you can see kind of a red line on some people's gums, they're probably vitamin C deficient. If your gums are bleeding a lot, when you floss, you probably need some vitamin C. And, you know, you could have an infection too, but it will deal to the infection as well as the integrity and the collagen inside of your bones and your soft tissues.

1:05:36I mean, it's like one of those things that's so important it should be given upon admission to every hospital. And what's really crazy is if you're one of those people that thinks that all you need is a balanced diet and you're eating like a piece of chicken and some lettuce. Yeah. There's no vitamin C in any of that or not enough. Probably not enough. Yeah, not enough. Not enough. Yeah, if you're not consuming like some sort of liposomal vitamin C supplement, if you're not taking something on top of that, you're probably not at an optimal level to survive anything. Which is also it's like part of why we have so many metabolic diseases.

1:06:10We have bad metabolic health. We have metabolic diseases. Like they shit, it should be super obvious. Like, oh, everyone's like really unhealthy and doesn't have any nutrients in their system. And they're all getting really sick from all these different things. Huh. But everyone's like, no, you need medicine. You need a shot, you need a this, you need a that, you need to get on this, you need to get off that, get back on this. And you're a hippie. If you want to just eat kiwi fruits and get your vitamin C from that or have oranges or broccoli, oh my gosh, broccoli makes you a total hippie or kale.

1:06:44Forget about it. Not. No, see, we have a different kind of malnutrition today than we describe in the book. Back then, it was people were toxic from basically drinking poop water and being worked to death and having diseases all around them. And so they were protein calorie malnutrition as well as vitamin as well. Today, we have kind of disnutrition, like DYS, disnutrition. And that everyone's fat, so you don't really look malnourished. Pretty much, you go on a cruise or you go to the beach, you even see me, you have big bellies now. Big bellies, the thing. What was that? I said, go to Burke Christchurch house.

1:07:24Who was that? That's my friend. Okay. He's gonna hate that you don't know it. Yeah. But, you know, so today we've got inflamed guts from, you know, glyphosate and, you know, the wheat that's been altered to make us inflamed and then just the chemicals that are added to our food and the vitamins that actually don't help us and set us back that are fortifying our, you know, bread and milk, lack of vitamin D. So we have a different kind of a problem, but essentially causing the same bodily dysfunction. Yeah, the wheat thing I used to think was nonsense. Until I ate pasta and bread in Italy and I was like, okay, why do I feel so much better?

1:08:02Why do I not feel like I just ate poison? Because I love pizza. I love it. I love lasagna. I love it. I love it. It's so good. But after it's over, I'm like, I'm incapacitated for like an hour or two, for like a two hour period. It's just like a shadow of yourself just, oh, yeah. You think, oh, maybe it's just the high carbs, but you just proved that it wasn't because in Italy, you were okay with it. I ate a whole pizza in Italy and I was waiting for it. I was like, I'm going to eat this margarita pizza. It's so good. I did it too. I was like, this is so good. I'm eating the whole pizza. I don't care.

1:08:39I don't care what it's going to feel like afterwards. I ate that whole pizza and then I was like, where is it? Is it coming? Waiting for the game. Never came. I felt normal. I felt like I just ate food. I was like, this is nuts. Like no crash. Yeah. The bread and scan's and avia's the same. That's what people used to eat. I'm not. I said, that's what people used to eat. It is like real food, real food. The people they need to understand, like what they did was, and this is according to a Maynard from tool, do you know Maynard Keenan, the lead singer of tool? No. He actually runs a farm. He has vineyards and he has like, like he's caduceus is his wine label.

1:09:18And he's like, really good at growing things. Because he has a restaurant. He was explaining to me that what they did is they just engineered it to have higher yield. So they put more, it's got more complex gluten in it. So it's not the normal organic wheat that grows in Italy where they don't have genetically modified crops. So you can still get that flower and you can still get that pasta from Italy and it's much more consumable. Yeah. But the American stuff is just, it's just, your body's like, what is this? It just comes in like sludge. It is interesting. It feels like I ate glue. That's what it always feels like.

1:09:51And it's overall, unless it's really good sourdough bread, that doesn't seem to have that. Yeah, kind of agree. Like I'm not gluten sensitive, but I definitely feel more awake when I don't have it. Yeah, it's not. It's good on holiday or anyone who's sweet. Yeah, no, I know. It's so delicious. But this is also a problem. And this goes back to when R .J. Reynolds was going through all their stuff with the lawsuits that were coming from people realizing, oh my god, cigarettes give you cancer. They're not good to like smoke if you have emphysema. I thought they were good for you. And some arsenic and it'd be great.

1:10:22There was a movie, and I forget what movie it was. And it was. Thank you for smoking. Well, there's that. There was a movie where Leonardo DiCaprio was young and he was sick and his doctor was prescribing cigarettes to him. And like the mother was saying, did you smoke your cigarettes at the doctor? Told you to. Yeah. You're not smoking. Like you need to keep up your health. Well, you know there's something to that, because you know about the nicotinic receptors. And you know the smokers got less COVID than the rest of us. And I did hear about that. Well, also it doesn't nicotine kill COVID. Like people were saying that nicotine, no.

1:10:59So that's what it is. That's how it kills it. What happens? So the spike of COVID, just the evil part of COVID, has all these horrible lab engineered proteins encoded into them. And two of them are snake talks and proteins that bind onto your nicotinic receptors. OK? So if you can smoke nicotine or take nicotine gum, then you're going to block those receptors up. So you can trade off some of the stuff that's from the spike. What about like nicotine pouches? Yeah. Like that would probably, if you're having, you know, long COVID or you know any kind of post -COVID syndrome that's related to the nicotinic receptors, you only know by trying it.

1:11:38But listen, I always say start small. Don't go out and be a hero and take a whole dose at once. Start with a quarter of whatever it says and wait and see what happens. Yeah. Because nicotines a powerful drug. Try cigar. Pick up the cigar. Yeah, there you go. It's a wonderful habit. Yeah, that was an uncomfortable thing in the beginning of COVID that they were saying that for some reason, smokers seem to be having a much easier go of it. Like what? How do you have a respiratory disease where smokers are statistically speaking, getting less COVID? Yeah, well, I mean, I've been around, I did a tour one time and there were two heavy, heavy smokers on the bus with me and they were the only two people that didn't come down with whatever flu with all the rest of us got.

1:12:21Not even that flu could even live in their throats. It's kind of makes sense if you think about it. Well, it changes the polarity of your mucus membranes, the charge of the cells on your mucus membranes and that's probably part of why that even the viruses can't adhere properly. We're not encouraging cigarettes. No, we're not at all. But we are saying it's got to be serious. But if you are, it should be non -cured, naturally cured. Oh, like American spirits, like those kind of deals. I get all my smoking friends to convert to that brand. Does that help? Totally help. Come on, are you kidding me?

1:12:51You know how many horrible carcinogens there are? You know, back in the native days when they were smoking and people were smoking natural cigarettes was almost unheard of for them to develop lung cancer. Right. With a natural tobacco. American spirit cigarettes are not healthier. They're absolutely wrong. It is. The market is natural and additive free, which may lead people to believe that they are safe or option. However, there's no scientific evidence to support this claim. They may even have higher levels of nicotine than some other brands. But the nicotine is not the problem. So that's exactly right.

1:13:20Just by them saying that there, that leads me to think that this might be propaganda. Because saying the nicotine is not the problem, that's, or rather saying that they have more nicotine. Oh, this is AIO view. Oh, I'm just saying that. But I understand. But AI should understand that nicotine... At Stony's cliff. I know he does. I'm just saying AI doesn't make sense. What doesn't make sense is that it's saying they might have more nicotine, but that doesn't matter. They're not addressing natural questions. I think that's just a nice skip time. The same time is when I have to go through. Oh, no, no, no.

1:13:50I'm not saying to you. I'm just saying to them, like what their writing seems to kind of be silly. Marketing of American spirits as natural can create a false sense of healthiness, which may make it more difficult for people to quit smoking. I think smoking companies wrote this. I think the other companies fed this information. I think the Marrow people wrote that. Spitting blood on the packages and stuff. Do you see that? Oh, in England, you get them. No, they have it now. Oh, they have it in America here? They used to have it in England. I don't know if you see that. You go to England and they had photos of people with like, raw faces.

1:14:20That's right, that's right, first thought. But it's moved to the rest of the... I know it's hilarious. It's like, and they still buy them and smoke them. Well, the interesting thing is, and I'm glad you brought this up, is just cancer in general. This episode is brought to you by Visible. Are you tired of wireless slowing you down? Do you wish there was a plan that offered a fast network plus fast hotspot plus savings on top of it all? Well, there is. And it's Visible Plus. It's everything that makes visible and affordable, reliable, wireless service plus. Plus what? Plus, Visible's fastest network and up to two times faster hotspot.

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1:15:48And there's a lot of things in the environment can cause cancer. But sometimes things get into medications that can cause cancer. And what is SV40? I just wrote down SV40 while you were talking. And I'm just going to give you an example of what you're saying is correct. And the fact of the matter is that all cancers in humanity have gone up since the inception of vaccination. My opinion, my educated opinion is that our lifespan should be 120 years. And I think with the knowledge that we have and the wealth that we have on this plan, the ingenuity we have on this planet, we should be able to be touching the 120 -year mark more commonly than we do.

1:16:27So when vaccines started coming into humanity, we started introducing animal disease into humanity through the skin. And then we started doing intermuscular injections after the hypodermic needle was created. And then you started to having deeper injections of animal disease and of chemicals and mercurys and things like that. So along comes polio research. And the polio vaccine, even to this day, is made on African -green monkey kidney cells. Now the African -green monkey kidneys early on were basically taken out of their wild habitat in India and millions of monkeys were brought to the USA for use.

1:17:08Unbeknownst to them and discovered by a scientist named Dr. Bernice Eddie is that there was a cancer -causing entity inside of the substrate that they had in the lab. They were using to make the vaccine on the petri dishes. And that entity was Simeon virus 40, SV 40, called SV 40 because before there were 39 others discovered before it, now we're up over 100. So that information was suppressed heavily. Bernice Eddie was offered a ticket to wherever she wanted to go and as much money she wanted and she said, no, I'm staying. Long story short, they just kept taking her away from her work and distracting her.

1:17:45And there was another doctor, Jay Anthony Morris as well. Anyway, so SV 40 was around and then Maurice Hilleman validated it later and said it came from the African -green monkey kidneys. Now it's benign in the African -green monkey SV 40. It is not benign in human beings. In human beings it was called the perfect war machine by Dr. Michelle Carboni who was one of the primary researchers looking at the carcinogenic potential of Simeon virus 40. So Simeon virus 40 would have been in the live polio vaccines because there was nothing to kill it. But it was most likely also in the killed and African -green monkey cells are actually still a listed ingredient on vaccines.

1:18:24So you can go ahead and look that up. It's a fact. So how this affects me is that I'm a kidney specialist and I looked at the curve of kidney cancers that have gone up since the inception of polio vaccines in SV 40 introduction. So what this virus does, it enhances two cancer promoting genes and it inhibits two cancer suppressors. That's why it's called the perfect war machine. So that was in the vaccines that were injected. And so the bad news is that we don't need vaccines to give it to us anymore because we're going to give it to each other forever and it's never going anywhere. That was introduced to humanity like a lot of other diseases were through vaccination.

1:19:07We can give it to our kids. We can give it to each other. It comes out in the urine. And so it lives in the green monkey kidneys. It lives in our kidneys. As a kidney specialist, there are a lot of mysterious diseases. Low and behold, there was some research into some of them and the research was just put, this is the other thing. The research that's really important just gets killed. The funding gets killed. In terms of SV 40 kidney cancers, there's no doubt that the rate of kidney cancer says gone up alongside with the infection rate of humanity for SV 40 as well as diseases like Gomerulone of Fritus, which they do find the pathogen genetic material inside.

1:19:45And even in the old days, they found it in the tumors but not the surrounding areas. So that just tells you that it was a stimulant for the tumor cells to just start propagating. So that's just one of the things, that's just one of many, many the obvious ones. And even though it's been well -defined in the medical literature, you will see still see that they only admit that it causes mesotheliomas and one other thing. Not that it causes all the other things that it does that it's been shown to cause in the other medical literature that got its funding revoked. So SV 40 is now contagious amongst people.

1:20:19Oh, absolutely. Yeah. So we probably both have it. Most of us probably have had it one time or other, you know, whether it's lying, dormant in our kidneys, it depends on, everything depends on your background immunity, which depends on what you're doing for fun, not fun and how you're eating and how much you're sleeping, et cetera, how much sun you're getting, sweating, sweating gets rid of a lot of stuff. It's really good to sweat. It's just such a disturbing thought that this was introduced to people through vaccines and now it's spreading. And what is the worst health impact that it could have if it spreads to you and not through a vaccine?

1:20:55If you didn't get it through this vaccine and you just get it from another person, like... Oh, it's the same thing. It's not gonna make much difference in terms. It'll gravitate to your kidneys. Obviously, it probably goes to lung as well. Brain tumors were a big problem with it back in the polio days. Dr. Michelle Carboni was looking at the brain tumors with that. There's a really good book called The Virus in the Vaccine by Bookchin and Schumacher. It's an incredible book that details everything about those years. The scientists involved, the suppression, the oppression, the lies, the skull duggery.

1:21:29Then they would bring in the scientists who had no experience in actually detecting SV -40 and low and behold, he couldn't find it. And he was the one that got to make the ultimate statement on whether SV -40 causes human disease or not. And just how could they keep injecting that into people if they know this? Oh, and the stocks that contained SV -40 were still basically being used by the vaccine manufacturers up into the 1990s and probably beyond because there's two different kinds of SV -40. You're making me remember a whole bunch of things that I thought I forgot. But there's the fast dividing and there's the slow dividing.

1:22:06There's two different kind of strains of it. And the original tests, though, when they made a vaccine, they would test it for 14 days looking for SV -40. If it didn't have it, off you went, and your vaccine was good to go. But the problem is there was a slower dividing SV -40 that remained in the vaccines that were injected and probably in the stocks that are, the stock is basically like your mother tincture, whatever. It's what you use to kind of inoculate all the new batches over time. And so the stocks were, again, quote, Dr. Bernie Stanley cops quote in the book about the SV -40 still being in the stock up and through the 1990s.

1:22:43And you know, God only knows if they're still using those same stocks, I don't know, because I haven't gone into the more modern times of SV -40. But yeah, we all have it. And there's no doubt in my mind that it's just like another one of the things that the parasites have finally pretty much put into us to set us back. Demons. It's like real world demons. It's so crazy that someone would know this and still have this as an ingredient in a vaccine. Well, they'll say that it was just an unfortunate set of events that happened because they took wild monkeys from India. Yeah, I could work for them.

1:23:21That's their excuse. And they say we cleaned it up. We started our own monkey colonies and we started breeding our own monkey colonies that were now found to be free of SV -40. The only problem with that is that, as I said, they had already inoculated humanity. And it's with a virus that can be spread vertically and horizontally as the scientists would describe. Meaning we've all given it to each other. I think there are going to be very few people walking around today that haven't been introduced to it. Have there ever been a comparison of pre -cancer rates, pre -SV -40 and post -SV -40? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

1:23:55That's what I did is I... And one of my videos, I did that and looked at the cancer rates since they were... So again, what they'll say is, well, we just didn't look at the rates beforehand, but the rates were quite low before. You can know what the surgical what the nephrectomies were. So it's kind of an easy thing to look at because that's the treatment for kidney cancer. You take the kidney out because you've got another kidney and it's a slow growing tumor even though it can metastasize. But anyway, I did look at it. The rate has skyrocketed for kidney cancers. Pretty much everybody knows somebody who had a kidney cancer.

1:24:31And that was not common? No. And also these protein -losing diseases, which is, again, it's not controversial. It was documented when they looked at the areas that were affected in the kidney, which with these horrible disease that makes people lose the proteins that need to stay in their blood and their body out into their urine that the SB40 was related to that. It's called focal and segmental chlamarular sclerosis and it's a real problematic disease in children and adults. Ultimately, you have to go on horrible chemotherapy drugs that ruin your immune system and then transplantation if you can't stay on top of it.

1:25:08Big money maker. Now, do I think that that was the purpose? I look, I don't know what was in the hearts and minds. I don't know what was accidental or what wasn't, but I do know that there was intentional suppression of the truth. Any doubts whether or not well -funded must not be allowed to exist. That is a fact and it's always been that way and there have been scientists and doctors talking about that since the beginning of vaccination. It's just too horrible to believe for most people, I think. And then also, it goes against religious dogma, especially with people that are firmly on the left trusting the science and trusting the experts.

1:25:46Those are two things at the front. It's kind of a childlike situation that humanity, and most of humanity is in, is that, I think most people are good and they want to believe everybody else is good. And they want to believe that the government is looking out for them. And it's a kind of horrifying, imagine if it was true that your government actually wasn't looking out for you and that might be one of the causes of your decreasing lifespan. Imagine that if the government might not care so much if your baby ends up with no stem cells or your baby gets cancer or autism, which will be outraked in, I mean, look at autism.

1:26:18Hello, like do we, how many, I think we're gonna start with that. But that was another thing where there was no doubt whether or not well funded allowed to exist what came to autism. And every autistic parent, parent of an autistic child will tell you this. Everyone that's tried to lobby and get to the truth with autism will tell you that the brick walls and the plexiglass and the lead walls that went down were intense and still are intense. And the lying studies that they used to uphold vaccine -zone causaltism are so easy to dismantle, but you know, Joe, the lie gets around the earth three times before the truth has a chance to get out of bed.

1:26:58And that's just pretty much what happens when the media is owned. And like you're like one of the cracks in the matrix here quite frankly. I think for a lot of people it's too horrible to believe especially if they have an autistic child that this was caused by a vaccine. I know a guy who told me that he believes the vaccine had an impact on his child having autism and then later was shaming people for not taking the COVID vaccine. That's how strong the impulse is and that's how good the propaganda was. And that's how cowardly a lot of people are when it comes to fighting against a narrative. They get very scared of being socially ostracized and they just, they can't speak their mind.

1:27:46They can't tell the truth and they'll whisper it to maybe this one guy that they're friends with. Like, hey, you know, I don't want to take it, man, but I have to for work. Like, yeah, I don't want, I don't trust them either. But you know, don't tell anybody I said that. You don't want anybody thinking you're on the bad side. And we also have the propaganda on television. There's some amazing montages that people put together lately of people saying horrible things about the vaccinated people, unvaccinated people, horrible things, saying that it's, it may be ghoulish to laugh when unvaccinated people die, but it might be necessary.

1:28:19Like what? Well, yeah, a few of us have to take one for the team. It's, it was just the weirdest propaganda campaign and people were doing the job of the man. It wasn't the man forcing the people to do this thing. It was people doing the job of the man and going after the people that had stepped in line. And I think for a lot of people, it's like they felt terrible that they had to do it, but if they did it, now I'm righteous. Now I'm on the good side. Why don't you do it too, man? I fucking did it. You should do it too. You're fucking swelfish. You get a lot of that. You know, you get a lot of people who they know they made a mistake and they want you to make that mistake too, you know?

1:28:57Yeah, we'd be good to know what really goes through their heads. I think COVID was, again, it was unique. But when you talk to parents who have autistic children, the vast majority of them, not only know absolutely without a doubt that their child became autistic, usually within 24 to 48 hours after a certain vaccine, but that every doctor told them it wasn't the case. And then they go digging deep into the scientific literature and learn how to sometimes resuscitate that child's brain or detox them and then recover them. And then they're, they're actually beaten up even worse for doing that because just, because they're just neurodiverse, you know?

1:29:33There's nothing wrong with your child. They're just quirky. No, your child banging its head against the wall, walking around the baby bottle and a diaper at the age of 18, your big hairy son doing that. That is not neurodiverse quirkiness. That is a serious pathological disease that probably could have been dealt to at the time and should have been prevented, should have never happened. So most parents that have that situation are on fire, it's a minority that will say, have the situation that you have right now. Most of them, that's a wake -up call, which is why they get beat up and suppressed even worse than I do.

1:30:04But when it comes to COVID, there was the psychological campaign, I think, was very effective in that people that I would have never imagined took the jab, like friends of mine, who I, in a million years, would have, I would have bet my life that they would say no to it, ended up getting it, didn't want it, we're really upset about it later. But nonetheless, did it - Have they read your book? Yes. I see, I didn't lose any friends during COVID because I had already lost them back in 2009. My family and friends were solid, my tribe is here. But yeah, so did - But I still love this person. And she's like really upset about it, but it just shows you that the psychological campaign, like to get into that person's brain was really into it.

1:30:47But I don't know about you, but there was, I never had it down. I never, I was like, well, you're going to shut me down, shut me down, you know, you're going to stop me from traveling, go ahead, stop me from traveling. I hadn't read your book yet. And I was all gung ho to get the vaccine. And the UFC had allocated 150 something vaccines for all their employees were doing shows during the pandemic. So I showed up in Vegas, asked for the shot, they said I couldn't do it, I had to do it on Monday at the clinic, I couldn't do it at the UFC. I was like, okay, fine. And they said, can you come back in two weeks and do it when the next UFC fight?

1:31:22I said, fine, I'll do it then. During that time, it got pulled from the market for blood clots. Which one, which job was that? Johnson and Johnson. Okay. And then two people I knew who got it at strokes. Okay. And that two weeks. Yes. Well, you got a few angels, don't you? Yeah. And I was like, hold on. And then my whole family got it. There was like a bunch of things that happened. My whole family got it and everybody was fine. And I didn't get it. And I was trying to get it. Like I had sex with my wife. I hugged my kids. You mean you didn't get COVID? No, I didn't get it. But you didn't get the jab either.

1:31:50No. Yeah. No, I didn't, but I didn't get it first time around. I was like, this is crazy. There was two days when I went to the, because I was trying to get it. And it's, which sounds horrible, but I was like, No, no, it's not get it. I just wanted to get over it. Like my kids got over it so fast. Like my one daughter was one day. She had kind of a headache and she tested for COVID. And she thought it was hilarious. She started laughing. You know, she's like, oh my God, I've got it. But we had already told them it's not dangerous for kids. Don't worry about it at all. You know, because there was a lot of kids that were talking about getting vaccinated.

1:32:18I'm like, you are not getting in. And for them, I was like, no way. Like it's not, I'll do it if I have to work. I just say no way. Like what did you think about it that you didn't even want your child to get it? Just amazing. Totally unnecessary. So no need to risk it. Totally unnecessary. They got COVID, they got over it like that. Before the vaccine, they would have. Before the vaccine. But this is before the vaccine. So after that, I was like, there's no way. Because there was pressure from their friends to get vaccinated. I was like, do you're not getting vaccinated? You have seven times better immunity than someone who gets vaccinated, which is proof.

1:32:49And this is just antibodies, right? Which, and you enlightened me in your book to the fact that there's cellular immunity that's different than just anybody. Is anybody says one type of immunity to things, right? That's right. So I was like, it's that TH2 slant that we were talking about. For me, with my kids, it's like they're vaccinated. But we did it on a delayed schedule because that's what my doctor recommended. And we had a really good pediatrician. And it worked out great. They're fine. But I was a little worried. I thought it was quack like to be worried. Like this is science, like that.

1:33:22Where are you about what? About what vaccines could do to the kids? You're the regular ones. Absolutely. And the schedule, the way they wanted to just bang them up, like real quick. And with weird ones, like the hepatitis B one, that one was like, when I hear that, I'm like, what are you talking about? You're going to give a kid for a sexually transmitted disease, a vaccine when they're a baby. A one day old baby. That's crazy. And also, is there immune system even working right? I mean, will it even accept this and turn it into an antibody? Have you approved that? You're just jabbing kids? That's proven that the infant will make antibody.

1:33:57And that's all they ever have to prove. What they don't ever want to prove is that when you give, as I say, your child had gotten a COVID vaccine, there's something called original antigenic sin. They changed the term to linked up atop suppression. It happens with flu shots. It happens with lots of different vaccines. Is that if you program your body to attack, the strain of vaccine that you're a virus rather that you are injecting against, and then a different strain comes along, it actually has negative efficacy. You're one that's more likely to succumb to terrible problems from the infection than because of your vaccine, rather than actually protecting you.

1:34:33And that's been a well known, look, Anthony Fauci writes about it, Maureen's and Fauci wrote a paper basically admitting everything. I think it was in 2023 or 2024 about these shots. And he said the COVID shots are exactly the same as the flu shots. Despite that, despite Fauci and Maureen's talking about how these shots would never have been licensed if they were held to the same standards of DPT, et cetera, et cetera, that they don't provide lung immunity, they only provide blood immunity, negative efficacy. Their conclusion at the end of it is that we must make better vaccines, more effective vaccines, to add to the already existing vaccine program.

1:35:06It's not that we shouldn't do this. It's not that we should pull this off the market. That's always the logic. Again, they never will admit to any problem with vaccines to take it off the market. It's always adding to it, not removing a vaccine. Okay, you think it was bad? Let's start six months now. Six month old babies with parents that are just like you back in the day going, okay, if you really think it's necessary because oh, Granny doesn't want to catch COVID, we're gonna do it. Yeah, that was the logic. Well, worry about Granny. But, you know, this is the great parenting declaration, right?

1:35:38Where those guys were like, why don't we take the people that are vulnerable and isolate them and treat them and care for them and not worry so much about everybody else and not shut society down because it's gonna have profound impacts. And they were called cooks. And that's what's crazy. It's like during the censorship was so rampant that prominent scientists and physicians were removed from the social conversation because they disagreed. People were in a case though. That's always been... But what's happening on social media and it's so transparent, these people getting removed from Twitter.

1:36:20You're like, this is wild. This is so crazy that you find out that the government's involved, that the government contacted them and asked them to take things down. You're like, what are you, what are you saying? Like, what, this is nuts. Medical papers were retracted. I mean, there's this one guy named Pradhan, PRADHAN who he showed that there is a GP120 protein on the spike. And he said it was an uncanny similarity to the GP120 and HIV and that there was no way that that would have come out of nowhere and showed up in the 2019 COVID epidemic. And he showed genetically how that just couldn't possibly happen.

1:37:00Flurry of emails went through the CDC and to NIAD and to Fauci. And within six days of that paper being a preprint, it was removed six days. And what we've got, we've got access from the Freedom of Information Act to some of those emails that have heavily redacted. But that was the series of events that happened with that because any doubts whether or not well -founded. All the things you said about the COVID vaccine, I'm sure are correct and true. But isn't it also different than the vaccine that they used in the test? Yes. The vaccine that was produced for the general public, I believe at least when it comes to Pfizer, they used magnetic beads for purification, which was totally different to what they did for the one they gave to us.

1:37:48And they produced it using, I can't remember exactly how they produced it, but they didn't use plasmids and they didn't use all the different components that were given to us. I have a slide on that somewhere that I could show you about. There were two aspects of the test vaccine that were very different to the, it was both the production, how they produced it and how they, quote, purified it. And what's the significance of the differences? Like did they do it to save money? Well, they just didn't have the plasmid, they wouldn't have had the lipopolysaccharide with the DNA from the E. coli that was in there that they told would never get past our deltoid muscle and would be disintegrated.

1:38:27Well, lipopolysaccharide actually is a transit protein that can bring everything right through your cells into your, our cells are made of, it's like a lipid on the outside. So that was the whole purpose was to shuttle this into your cells. Not only that, but the vaccine produced the plasmid part of the vaccine that's injected into you, the messenger RNA has a substitution for something called uridine, they call it pseudo -uridine. And pseudo -uridine was put in there because they didn't want the immune system to destroy the vaccine to quickly, they wanted it to really be able to take cold of your body so you could have a strong response.

1:39:02Well, that's one of the reasons why vaccinated people had such horrible time with actual coronavirus when it did come. And one of the reasons why you didn't, maybe you were exposed and you don't, I don't know if you've had an antibody level tested. But again, that's another long history thing as people who don't get sick while everyone else is, have been accused of witchcraft and sorcerers in the past and sometimes hunted down and killed. Yeah. And by the time of smallpox, the groups of people that were into cleanliness, that was a real problem for them. I did do nasal swabs to see if I had any bodies.

1:39:39I did do that and I didn't. Well, that won't tell you antibodies. That's a PCR, that would be your PCR test or your rapid, which one did you do the one that goes to the rapid antigen test? But that's only going to tell you if you've got active in your nose, what you want to know is if you're immune system. Again, there's a good use for antibodies sometimes. Sure. Not to see, it's not the end all and be all in terms of your immunity, but it will show that you have had an experience inside of your body with COVID and so on. What was bizarre to me was that there was this narrative that you were going to get it no matter what.

1:40:12And that's why. And this will stop it from you getting it. Yeah. Well, this is before the vaccine was even around. There was this talk that there's no way to not get it. Like if it's around you, it's so contagious, you're going to get it. And that's why I was shocked that I didn't get it with my whole family got it. Like I said, I didn't isolate at all. I did on purpose. And I had two days in the gym where I was sluggish. And so I was like, I feel kind of tired today, but a weird tire, so I'm just going to go through the motions. I just like really light work out. And the next day, I felt the same thing.

1:40:45Like, yeah, another light work out. Let's just take it easy. No need to push it. Just got to break a little sweat, never stressed myself. And then the next day, I felt great. I felt 100%. Like I started working. I was like, oh, I feel good. And then I was fine. And I was like, okay, I guess I didn't get it. And then everyone in my family recovered. And then I went from there to a couple months later, I was doing this gig in Florida. And I was up with my friend, John Schoeman, who's a pool, he makes pool cues. Shout out to John, good friend of mine. And we were playing pool till like five o 'clock in the morning.

1:41:19And I had like five margaritas. And we're having a good old time and laughing a lot. And then that night, I was like, oh, I don't feel so good. But it was alcohol and no sleep and playing pool. And big shows, giant arenas and flying on jets and being tired all the time. That's what it was. And then I got sick. But even then, it was like a couple days. How close was that to the time that you just said you felt a little tired in the gym that day? A few months. Okay, a few months. Yeah, it was a few months. Because by that time, the vaccine had been out. And this was, I guess, the Delta, which was everybody was like, this was the bad one.

1:41:57The Delta's not bad one. It's best to be fearful, you know? Yeah, it was a shocking time for me. But because before that, I never would have guessed in a million years that I would be even questioning other vaccines. I would have never guessed that. I would have told you that vaccines are one of the most important inventions in human history. And it saved us from polio, it saved us from smallpox. I would have been that guy. Renting off all those statistics. I would have told you that. But then I read your book. I've read, sorry. Sorry, I read Robert F. Kennedy's book. I read your book and I started reading Turtles all the way down, which also, which is really interesting because they wrote another book called Turtles all the way down and someone else published it that has almost identical cover.

1:42:44And that book is a pro vaccine book. Like they literally hijacked, they're like, what do we do? Well, this is what we do. We fucking confuse a shit out of people. Make one with the exact same cover. Exact same cover, exact same name. Wow. And they made it a pro vaccine book. It's kind of wild. I mean, it's really kind of ingenious. Like what a great way to like flood the market with bullshit. And the RFK junior book was bananas. I mean, people had told me to read it and my initial thought. When the Fauci book. Yes. My initial thought was, that's that guy that's like that anti vaccine cook. That's what I thought.

1:43:18And I've apologized to him for that. When I talked to him on the podcast, I said to him, I said, I succumbed. Like everybody else did. To the casual narrative. Was the casual narrative. Oh, the RFK guys are cook. Talks weird. Got a weird voice. It's ruining the world's immunity. Yeah, exactly. Well, I had the same thing. When I was first waking up, I had a friend who had unvaccinated kids. They were part of a stiner school. And they were like mutant freaks to me because they'd never been on the antibiotic. They were like bright and happy and interactive and talented. And at one point, one of them was playing with a hammer and nail.

1:43:53And I said to her mother, I was like, you gotta be careful because she doesn't have a tetanus vaccine. And someone in the room said, well, Suzanne, what do you know about tetanus? And like in my head, I'm a full -fledged doctor at this point. I thought, I don't know anything about tetanus. And outside, I said, I know you don't want to get it. And I know it'll cause lock jaw. And then I started reading about tetanus. And I had to go back and kind of apologize. And then I did a big video. I have a big video out on tetanus and the actual truth about the tetanus vaccines and actual tetanus, which that's even harder for most people.

1:44:24Like most people who don't want to vaccinate their kids will vaccinate for tetanus if they get a single shot. And second only to polio. Everybody's got their two vaccines, if they're two diseases, they're afraid of for the kid that makes them feel like they're at least doing something. Well, the polio one always gets thrown in my face. They take it all the time. What about polio? Yeah, and I just go, I don't have the time to do this. Thank you. Read the book. Read the book. I just, I explained to someone the whole DDT connection and the fact that livestock was getting polio. Like this is the thing.

1:44:54Like polio, dogs don't get polio. They don't get human derived polio. It doesn't cross species. But they were getting paralytic polio symptoms because they were getting poisoned by DDT. That was a big part of the whole thing that was very confusing. Well, they started killing dogs. You know, in New York, in that incident, so I told you about where the vaccine, the gain of function, strain escaped. People were throwing their cats out the window. Some 20 ,000 cats in New York City were killed during that time because there was a belief that cats spread the disease. Oh my God. Jesus Christ. That's so crazy.

1:45:32And it was all a mutant man -made virus. The man -made virus thing is. It was a wound up. Wound up. It was basically a natural virus that got wound up by this. So man -made to the final form. That's just crazy that that's a thing that we do because if this gain of function research was so important, wouldn't you have a cure like ready? Like if you've been studying this for so long, but it didn't really cure it, right? Oh. I mean, wouldn't you have something that stops it dead and it's trans -euclacy? You're not allowed to cure it. Look, I was living in a country where the government said there's no cure for COVID.

1:46:08There is no treatment for it and there is no prevention for it except a vaccine. And lo and behold, we found out that there was a contract between the government and the pharmaceutical industry to have the emergency use of the vaccine trial on the population only under the condition that there's no other treatment available. And that's why the treatments were shut down. Right. Yeah. Because emergency use, there has to be no other treatment available. If you have Ivermectin or if you have zinc and all the other things that we use with success, there were so many people that I treated that should have been dead.

1:46:41I gave COVID to a 95 -year -old woman who had chronic lung disease called bronchiectasis. She should have been the low -hanging fruit. I was starting to feel a little bit unhappy one day. I really just sluggish like you mentioned. And when I was done seeing, I should go, I just want to give you a hug and she can move around. I was going, oh no. And after about three days, I was like, I've definitely got it. I tested and I rang her daughter. And I said, I've got to tell you, I was exposed, Margie was exposed to blah, blah, blah. And she's like, yeah, mom's not feeling so good right now. And then two weeks later, I thought I've got to call back again.

1:47:15I've got to make sure this lady's okay. She's, oh no, mom's out at the hairdresser getting her hair done. Two weeks later, I still wasn't recovered two weeks later. She was out getting her hair done. Well, she was well. She probably used to. I don't know if she can't remember that detail. But there was my senior partner had leukemia. He should have been absolutely dead. Well, not on my watch, he wasn't going to be dead. So he survived the entire thing and died like two years later if something else. So yeah. The most shocking aspect of getting attacked and like all the CNN stuff to me was that no one had any interest in why I recovered so quickly.

1:47:50Because if this is supposed to be this death sentence and there's no treatment, and then I'm a guy in my 50s and I got over it quick. And then no one cared at all about that. All they wanted to do is mock this idea that I was taking veterinary medicine, which I wasn't. But it was just the fact that they used that term horse dewormer on every TV show. Like wow, this is wild to watch the machine. It's uniquely wild when it's coming after you. And you're like, but this is like such a dumb checker's play. I'm like, this is so stupid. I'm still doing my podcast, you fucking idiots. And like everyone's gonna know that you put a green filter over my face.

1:48:32I'm gonna show everybody that. You think you're just gonna get away with that? No, you're gonna like lose all of your credibility idiots. It was just so fascinating to watch like this distorted understanding of like what America is willing to believe. Or the world is willing to believe. Like you're only preaching to the converted. The super hardcore, closed -minded, converted people. Everyone else knows you guys are a joke now. And that's the good part of getting through COVID. The good part of this enormous gas lighting experience that we all just went through, where people are finally after four years apologizing to friends for calling them a plague rat.

1:49:16Like literally they got down to that where friends couldn't be friends with people anymore because they weren't vaccinated. And people are kind of like realizing like, oh my God. Not only did I get COVID more than anybody else because I got three shots. Like I had a friend telling this. He goes, I got COVID more than everyone I know and I had all three shots. He's like, I got COVID eight fucking times. And we're like, how many times did you get it? And everybody that got it naturally was like, I gotta once, maybe I got it as, I got it twice. But the second time I got it was literally a sniffy nose.

1:49:48Just literally a sniff, and I was joking because we used to test everyone, including the guests. Everyone that came here, we tested for COVID. And I was joking, maybe this is it. And maybe I got it again. And she's like, you actually got it. I was like, no way. This is COVID and it never got worse. It stopped right there. It was, that was it one day. One day of a sniffly nose. And then a couple days later I said, all right, let's try and get tested again so you can still do another podcast. And that was good. But I had to cancel a podcast. I'm allowed to have a healthy immune system. You know what I'm saying?

1:50:21But the fact that, that's the thing. It's like there's real science behind all the things you talk about in your book in terms of like the nutritional aspects of healthy foods being an important factor in your immune system. Healthy, we were talking about juices and vegetable juices and all the different times that it's helped people overcome certain diseases. And vitamin A and cod liver oil, which also has vitamin A, which was always prescribed to people that were sick. Like all these things, or this is real science. Like there's real science and nutritional supplementation and the effects that it has on the immune system.

1:51:00And there's real science in nutritional deficiencies and what a negative impact it has. This is all real. And if they truly cared about you, they would be telling you about that as a primary way of defending your body against disease and against all sorts of things that could go wrong. All sorts of things. Like get fit, eat healthy, and you're above everything. Take supplements, you're above everything. Like you're in the top 1 % of people that are going to do great in life when it comes to getting sick. Just that. And because most people don't do that. So you have like what percentage of people like really eat healthy and really try to exercise on a regular basis?

1:51:38Is it even 10 % of us? It depends. Maybe what state you live in. Let's just have a guess nationwide and see if there's a chart. See if there's a statistic. Let's guess what percentage of people eat healthy, take vitamins and exercise regularly? I say 10%. What do you think? Yeah, it could be. Because you still got your teenagers and your young college students that are in sports and things like that. A lot of older people are more. They would qualify. Yeah, but a lot of people like, you know, even though they have a hard job, they still realize like I gotta go to the gym for work and just just get it in.

1:52:16Because if I don't, I won't have any energy. I'm better off this way. I know it sucks, but just do it. There's like people that have enough discipline to do that. So I would give it, I think it's one out of 10. That's what I think. What do we got, Jamie? I mean, this is impossible. Yeah, it's a little impossible. What about AI? Run that shit through chat. Well, I'm just, how are you gonna get the answers on my point? Not like I have five. But let's see what you got. I'm just gonna have Americans. You have to honestly answer the question and a poll that they're, you know, Well, let's ask chat, GP.

1:52:45He just for a good, I'm just, my point, chat to you, TS to find the answer somewhere. Right. Let's see what she says. Well, okay, hold on. Let's just for funsies. Let's just say, I know right out of the gate, the answer is that 86 % people take vitamins and supplements, which is four and five American adults. Is that real? That's good. If that's true, that's really good. I wouldn't think that's true though. I don't buy that. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I don't buy that. That's written by a supplement company. Yeah, and what supplements and how, you know, sometimes you can overdo, you do hair mineral analysis on people and sometimes you find things that are, you know, pretty shocking in terms of that came from supplements, you know, you, you can overdo it with even selenium.

1:53:23Sure. You can end up with big problem. So there's also a problem with cross contamination. We, one of the things that we found out when we were selling alpha brain is that in the beginning, when we would hire a lab to make the formula for us, like so you, you have like a list of ingredients and then they put together this thing, which is a new tropic. Did we find stuff in there that we didn't have in there? And it was from their bins. So they didn't clean their bins. So it's like, why is vitamin B12 in this? Like why is this in that? Why is that? And it's just because that's the same factor, manufacturing place where they make all kinds of stuff.

1:53:59Creatine and all kinds of stuff. It doesn't say how I got the answer, but it says less than 10%. Okay, likely less than 10%. Okay, if you're talking about people consistently do all three, it drops significantly less than 10%, maybe even closer to three to five percent, depending on how strict your definition of healthy is. Yeah, that's what I was, that was a good guess. We're talking about adults here, presumably, but one of the facts is that the foundation that your immune system is created and developed in is probably, if not as more important than that. And that is being born the vaginal birth versus the C section, not putting down people who have had C section, I'm just saying the science shows that there is a distinct difference in C section, babies immune systems versus non -C section.

1:54:50There's a distinct difference in breast fed babies versus non -breast fed. And there's a distinct difference in babies whose mothers have a healthy diet and breastfeed versus mothers who don't have a healthy diet and breastfeed. So that foundation actually makes your gut grow normally, which is a large part of your immune system, it colonizes your gut because the bacteria from your mother's gut goes into your gut, goes from her gut through her lymph system into her breast and then into your gut. And so all that foundational stuff is something not to be ignored because it's gonna make you deal with diseases better, and if you have to get vaccinated, it's gonna make you deal with vaccines better, even as a child, not that I'm in favor of that, but I'm just saying, if you wanna set things up as, you know, solidly as possible to be able to take that insult, the problem is we don't know 20, 30, 40 years later what the associations are between, you know, bone diseases, skin diseases, cancers, autoimmune diseases, we have some clues, I have some clues that nobody wants to look at, but we've got this long -term problem that nobody looks at.

1:55:47Long -term effects of lifestyle, of vaccination, of even SV -40, there was one study that started tracking 1 ,000 SV -40 people that they knew were infected with SV -40, looking for diseases later in life, and they stopped it after 19 years, again, axed. When they still had over 700 people left in the study because they said too much time had gone by, well the fact of the matter is that's when the study should have started 17 to 20 years later is when they still just started looking at that point, not one year, two years, but, you know, most vaccine trials and drug trials, they don't, vaccine trials, it's like two weeks as a almost a miracle for someone to follow out that long, forget about looking months or years later, doesn't happen.

1:56:29When you first decided to write this book, how much apprehension did you have? Zero. Zero, you were just fully convicted to get this idea out. Well, you know, it was a bit of a process, if you wanna know it. Yeah, sure. Yeah, so what first happened is that I kept getting challenged while I stayed on for two years as an nephrologist in my hospital, so I wasn't kicked out. I left because like my soul just couldn't hang out there anymore. And so during that time, even though I was kind of ostracized behind my back, everybody still respected me as an nephrologist, but I still had to go. And in that time, I started doing public appearances, like I went on the Gary Null show and started doing things like that, just talking about smallpox and polio because those were my focus because everyone's saying, what about smallpox and what about polio?

1:57:15And then when I started finding out, I just, I became obsessed with it. It was so interesting. So I was morbidly fascinated by the whole thing and about how everything I found was absolutely contrary to what the mainstream dogma is. And what I had was a mountain pile high to the ceiling and they had sound bites. They had nothing to fight back with me on, nothing. So this guy named Roman Bisterianek heard me on the radio show and he run my office. And after his third call, I was like, I guess I better call this guy back. And he had this idea for a book and he had done all the charts and the graphics and started writing the narrative around that of what the historical documents showed.

1:57:56And then I came in as kind of the medical person that was obsessed with polio and smallpox and happened to know quite a bit about pertusses. So we started writing the book together and there's probably about, there's got to be, if you were to take a full -time job 20 years, at least 20 years, but for me it was condensed because I became obsessed after I quit my job. All I did, I basically had no money. I lived in a tent with a pop -up camper. That was my office and I was like crazy Ted Kaczynski obsessed with polio in my tent. And, wow. So no, I didn't have apprehension. I was like, this information, it's been so, the US polio surveillance unit charts were supposed to be available in libraries.

1:58:36Low and behold, every library I went to to find them. I was told they're not here, there's only one library, the AMA library and you have to have special high security clearance to look at them. Well, I won't say how, but I got a hold of them. And what those documents show is that it wasn't just cutter laboratories that had a problem with live polio. It wasn't just why if all the vaccine, we didn't talk about this, but all the vaccine companies had a problem with live virus and their injectable vaccines during Salk's year. So 1954, 1955 up to 1959, they all were producing vaccine with live virus in it because Salk wouldn't listen to the scientist abroad who were saying his inactivation curve was, where the sun doesn't shine.

1:59:17So that beginning of that and just tracking all that down and asking the questions that you asked, where were depolio go? Where what was really causing the paralysis? Why don't we see it today? I had to answer all those questions and every question I answered, it was so satisfying that I just wanted to go on to the next question. And so there was never any hesitation because I was so single -minded that I didn't think about the threats that could happen as a result of that. And it was until after the book was out that the threats happened and I'm still here. And look, I figure if anybody wants to do me and now the timing is really bad because this is pretty much out there now.

1:59:56It's been out there for a while. The Jonas Salk thing was also wild. I thought Jonas Salk was this genius that created this incredible virus, the safety humanity. Yeah, so did I. So many of our childhood fables turn out not to be true, but that was a big one. And it's still hard for a lot of people to believe, but I just think it's like anything. Like if you're open to different information and I always say, look, I can make mistakes. I'm not infallible. Someone has actually found the mistake in the book, actually went incorrect at it. Like that's the difference between me and these other people.

2:00:32Is that if I made a mistake, I want to know about it and I will go and make it right and I will publicly admit that I made a mistake. But I will say that 99 .9 % of what's in this book is true, factual, and provable. And because I've done the research, but it's a hard thing to do. What doctor's going to quit their job? I was lucky. I didn't have kids. I didn't have medical royalty ancestors who would have been disappointed in me. I came from nothing. I wasn't afraid to go back to nothing. And so that's why I was willing to live in a tent until this thing was done and published in 2013. So how long did it take you?

2:01:07I started working on it. Roman had been working on it for years. He had been going to libraries because his kids got hit hard by an ex -wife who jabbed them. He didn't know about it and they got really sick and then he started looking at old graphs and going, oh, that doesn't make sense. So he got obsessed in his own way with the numbers. He's the numbers guy. And so he had been working on it and then the two of us together worked on it probably from 2009 to 2013. And then it was published in 2013. We couldn't find a publisher. Even the alternative publishers didn't want anything to do with it, so we self -published.

2:01:43And then after it was successful, I guess who wanted to publish our book? And I was like, nope, sorry. We're gonna carry on the way we are. Oh, but you're gonna get such more credibility. It's like unlikely. That's funny. If you give us money, you'll get credibility. Let us take apart of your successful business that you've worked on for five years or four years. Look, if you $1 book. That would be sweet. What a great deal. And then I'll have a prestige behind my name. Yeah, I've been published by a real company. One was the last time you looked at a book and said, let me check who published this.

2:02:15Exactly, right. Maybe make sure somebody recommended this book. So published. It's all lies. I never heard of this publisher. This is outrageous. What's that there for business science? Oh, Jacques Valle. Okay. Jacques Valle is probably the most interesting UFO researcher I've ever ever talked to. He's the guy that was, do you remember the French scientist? Do you remember the close encounters of the third con? Did you see that movie? The long time ago. Long time ago. Do you remember there's a French scientist on the grounds courting with the army and explaining to everybody what's going on? Okay.

2:02:46That French scientist is modeled after this guy. This guy's been following UFO since like the 50s or the 60s. Do you say the 50s? Like a long time. He's an older gentleman, but he's fascinating. Okay. And he's very rational. Like when he talks about it, it's like he is very objective in what's nonsense and what's true and what we can't explain. It's a fascinating subject. I think similar threads would run through his experience definitely for good science. Yeah. Well, it's for the longest time. It was a ridiculed subject. Not, it didn't have the same societal impact as being a vaccine skeptic or an anti -vaxer.

2:03:31Right. With that pejorative, they've done an incredible job of scaring people into just falling in line. Because if you question it and someone said, oh, did you know he's an anti -vaxer? That's enough. That's it. That's all you need to hear. And you're going to get this after this podcast. And I've already got that. You're going to get it big time. I've gotten it already. They'll start picking apart my facts and they want to come on and dismantle. This is what always happens. I come in first, I tell my story, and then they bring in the experts who are able to take without me being in the room, of course, because I can't be able to defend myself and then let the public believe that everything I said was just one big sack of lies.

2:04:06Well, they'll definitely be the usual suspects that'll be doing that. But has anyone ever tried to sit down with you and have a conversation publicly about this? And refute it? Not that I can recall. No one's offered. Yeah, I have to say I'm not that interested in doing that because I just feel like, you know, debate is, it's an actual skill to be a debater. People study debate and people get really good at it. I'm not a debater. If somebody wanted to debate me in writing, I would be happy to do that because then I could sit there and take my time, go through the references that I needed rather than having to, you know.

2:04:46Right, that makes sense. I'd be like, I'm telling you, we're ready at me without having a shield. Right, and there's an anxiety aspect to that. And there's a lot of adrenaline and emotions. And yeah, it's a skill. But I would do it only if we had a topic that was basically agreed upon beforehand that we could both upskill on and use what we know as at the bait point, but it usually just becomes character assassination. It does. Yeah. It does. It's super unfortunate. And it's really transparent when it's about a serious object. Like why do you have to attack someone's, who they are, make it ridicule them instead of just refuting the facts or laying out your case?

2:05:27It just doesn't make sense that anybody who's right would do that. That's not what you do when you're right. That's what you do when you're trying to ridicule people. And you usually try to ridicule people because you need an edge. You know, it's like a bully. They're like, if you see fighters, like like a UFC fighter in his prime, like Anderson Silva was one of the greatest of all time. If someone like God in his face and tried to intimidate him, it would be kind of hilarious because he was the best fighter in the world. So he wouldn't even have to do it back. He could just smile at you. And that's sort of the same here.

2:05:59When you're ridiculing someone, like right off the bat, a bunch of ad hominem about that person, you're trying to diminish that person to set up your arguments being superior because you have a superior intellect. And you're doing that because you don't feel like you're on level playing field. And so you want to try to do something to push them off, make fun of them and some sort of, instead of just like laying out your version of what reality is, lay out your version if you're so strong. If you're so correct, it should be super easy to do. Well, just like in sports, it's the same here. It's like cheating is for losers.

2:06:31If you're a winner, you don't have to cheat. And that's the same with them. Like if their product is so wonderful that everybody needs it so badly, then why is there such, what they say is that we're too stupid to understand how they're saving our lives and how they prove, this is one of the big arguments that we really ought to touch on, is that they say that our lifespan has improved as a result of medical interventions. When what we show in here, what other scientists have shown is that, it's about 3 .5 % of the contribution from medicine goes into our extended lifespan. 3 .5 % based on antibiotics, vaccines, et cetera.

2:07:08The rest of it was all about the revolution, the health revolution, the clean water, the shelter, the electricity, the child labor laws ending. So the magic of medicine is not what people think. And it really traps, it really traps a lot of people. Like I think there's a value to the medical field in terms of surgery and certain drugs, and if you have an organ failure, like absolutely. But why not? Like my Hippocratic oath said that I should consult, any consultant that will help my patient and keep the well -being of my patient stable. Well, to me that includes using every therapy that is the most benign therapy's possible first.

2:07:47The ones that work along with the blueprint of a human body, that go along with the theory of health rather than pounding down disease. You're always gonna get a better result that way, assuming you've got time and you haven't waited till the last minute. Well you certainly will get a better result if you do get the disease that way. Like the idea that you could just ignore everything but of medication is so silly. And the only reason why you would do that is if that's the only way you made your money. And that's really, especially if you're in the vaccine business and you have an enormous ad budget and you're sponsoring all the television networks.

2:08:23Well that's the big thing. The other thing is people trust what they see on the television. CNN was my go -to thing for the mind's time. Now I look at it and I think, oh my goodness, you know what cracked it for me is when they publicly villainized Andy Wakefield. And I actually knew the story behind Andy Wakefield at the time. What was that story? The story behind him is that, you know, he was a doctorial here who's publicly shamed. His license was removed. He published an article about what he called toxic nodular enterocolitis in children with autism. He was a gastroenterologist, a very high level, very well respected, decorated gastroenterologist.

2:09:02And he published this paper which remained in the journal for 12 years. And all it said at the end was further research needs to be done in order to see if there is any real connection between the MMR vaccine, autism, and toxic nodular enterocolitis. These kids suffer with horrible bowel disease. It's not just brain disease. And so he was about to publish another paper showing that in this certain type of monkeys that were vaccinated against hepatitis B lost a lot of their reflexes and had problems. And it was on the eve of the publication of that paper that his original paper was revoked. And ever since then, he has been the poster child for vaccine nonsense, for anti -vax crazy people.

2:09:42And in fact, every time I've done anything, his name, funny that I brought his name up, I love him, he's a great guy. But his name would always come up. Well, you're a friend of Andy Wakefield. Or though Andy Wakefield, because autism and vaccines has been debunked because Andy Wakefield lied. And he didn't lie. All he said is I did biopsies. I saw this. And this is possibly a connection. And since then, other scientists have come in, done the same thing. Biopsies, then they looked at whether the vaccine virus was in that biopsy. And it was. It wasn't a wild virus. It was the vaccine virus in that area, not the surrounding area.

2:10:15So there is a relationship between gut disease, MMR vaccine retained virus that hasn't been processed properly, because it didn't come into your body properly. And disease, brain disease. So that's a fact. But CNN did a hit job on Andy Wakefield. And I remember going, huh. Well, what's going on here? Because I know what happened with that whole situation. Now CNN is saying this. And that was kind of when the windscreen cracked for me. And I just had to start questioning anything. And then you've got the doctors that go on there. There are a couple doctors. I think you interviewed one of them. Didn't you?

2:10:49Sanjay Gupta. Yeah. There was a guy before him. And some of the stuff he said was pretty unbelievable. That's what the public is going to hear. Your best chances of dealing with this is to just get the vaccine. You don't want to get shingles? Get that vaccine. Never mind the whole other truth around that, because like you say, it's the advertisers. But it's bigger than that. Does the shingles vaccine work? Well, what do you think about giving yourself a vaccine for something you already have? You think about it. Like chickenpox is a disease that we all got as kids. You got it as a kid, probably.

2:11:21You're kind of superhuman though. You didn't get COVID. I got it eventually. I got it eventually. You got it eventually. It broke you down. But I got chickenpox really bad. And then I got chickenpox on out of the kid. There you go. So back in the old days, we would all get chickenpox. And then we'd be exposed to other kids that had chickenpox. We'd go over kids' houses if they had chickenpox. Yeah, people do. They still do that. I didn't have to. I got it somehow. I don't know how I got it, probably, for my brother. And so you have this dormant, this virus lays dormant in your body until your immune system breaks down.

2:11:55So, but part of it is not just your immune system breakdown. It's the fact that all these kids are now vaccinated and the circulation of the disease. See, some vaccines work in terms of they stop the circulation of the disease, but add a detriment to us. So it's been a detriment for measles and it's been a detriment for chickenpox. So chickenpox, we used to get continues. You didn't have to get adults didn't get shingles. It was very rare for adults to get shingles before the chickenpox vaccine came out. Extremely rare. But since then, the rate of shingles and adults and children has skyrocketed because we're no longer getting our boosters being exposed to the circulating microbes.

2:12:30So now the solution to that is to give adults like four times the dose of the childhood chickenpox in an injectable vaccine against something that they already have. And so the theory is that you're gonna ramp up your antibodies and then you're gonna be able to do battle if your viruses come out again. The only problem with that is that the problem is the immune system. If you get AIDS or you're on chemotherapy, you chances that happening are really high. And yeah, does the vaccine work or not? I don't know, but I just don't think it's just, to me just a completely strange concept to inject myself with something that I already have along with all the other exhibits and compounds to go into vaccine that nobody wants to talk about either.

2:13:09So can you explain how a vaccine is manufactured? How could they not know all the different stuff that's in it? Like who? Like let's talk about like how the SV -4 it got in there. So you need something alive. You need some sort of tissue from a living creature in order to grow these things. Well, in terms of the COVID vaccine, you just needed to pile crap actually because it's made on E -coli cells and that's where you find E -coli. So with a lot of the other vaccines, you do need living, like for tetanus, you need rotten meat, okay? That's how the tetanus vaccine's made with rotten meat. You were talking about tetanus earlier and you kind of glossed over it, but you didn't finish up.

2:13:52You were saying that tetanus itself, you started like googling and like reading about tetanus itself. Yeah, yeah, big wake up call with tetanus. So you know what we see, if anyone's worried about tetanus, what we're shown is a picture of a soldier from like the 1800s with his naked and his back as arch. If you just Google tetanus right now and you look for images, you'll get this image. And so that's what we're told will happen if we get tetanus. It's a sure thing, you're just gonna get tetanus and you're gonna die. Well the fact that the matter is that when I started doing my deep dive in World War I, look it was fought in the trenches with horses.

2:14:28That's where you get tetanus from rumoured animals. Lives in their gut and it goes in the soil and it's just a spore. Doesn't do anything until it gets into an area that doesn't have oxygen. So you get a cut, you get a certain, close you up real nice without cleaning it out properly and you're a setup for tetanus which will transform from a spore to a different kind of a microbe and start releasing a toxin that can, if first starts as numb, numbness usually in that limb, it's the extreme case is in that soldier who would have been malnourished, stressed out, probably vaccinated for smallpox before he hit the fields and exposed to enormous amounts of tetanus probably gunshot wound or a slice somewhere and then sewn up.

2:15:10So yeah his nervous system could have had a real big dose of toxin and nobody did anything about it. That's the worst case scenario, you don't want that to happen. But in today's, I've treated tetanus. Let's just put it that way. I've treated several cases of tetanus. Some, one of the cases was neurologically diagnosed tetanus. So tetanus is treatable, you can get on it early. Rabbit studies have shown that if you give vitamin C, if you have a good high vitamin C level before you put glass with tetanus spores on it inside the skin of a rabbit, that you can prevent the tetanus from happening. Even if you give the vitamin C at the time of the injury, you can prevent it from happening.

2:15:45If you give it after the event, the death rate goes down to very, very low if not zero. So vitamin C is a main factor, but the biggest factor is cleaning a wound and keeping the wound open if you think it's a dirty wound. And not to close it straight up, which is why nails, you say, stepping on a nail is the classic because rust can kind of hold the old spores inside of it. You step on the nail, you get inoculated, and then you wait for it to heal over. Well, you have to open that wound if that's going to happen. But tetanus has been, there was a whole series of reports on instances where the cotton that was made for menstrual pads for women postpartum was impregnated with tetanus, and they got horrible cases of tetanus just from using those menstrual pads.

2:16:29So the hospital systems have also been responsible. The biggest thing is that being vaccinated for tetanus is not necessarily security against not getting tetanus. Now, am I telling people not to go get vaccinated or not? No, I'm not. I'm just saying, every vaccine, there's so much more to the story that should be considered. You can have different strains of tetanus. And if you're living on a field that has room in animals, whether you like it or not, you're going to be eating whatever's down in that field, and you're going to be inoculated and have antibody and probably some mediated immunity against it.

2:17:02So you'll already have some immunity to that. So worst case scenarios, you have no immunity, you go get a dirty wound and you don't get any real competent medical care for it. Yeah, you can end up having a problem with tetanus, whether you're not going to have lock jaw and an arch back and die unlikely today for that to happen. But most tetanus that happens is delayed on set. So the earlier your symptoms come on, the worse the tetanus is going to be. If it comes on later, generally, the better you're going to do, treated with high doses of magnesium, high doses of vitamin C, local wound care, that's the best thing that you can do.

2:17:39Up to you if you want to go get jabbed for tetanus after you learn everything about it, everything's on my Odyssey channel, by the way. That's where I got canceled out of YouTube for talking about vitamin C for all of all things. So everything's now on Odyssey. All my videos are on Odyssey and I do one that's just on tetanus. And again, medical reference after medical reference, I don't make this stuff up. I just report what I read. It's crazy that they just kick you off YouTube for reporting studies. Yeah, you can have pornography and murder and all kinds of other stuff on there. It's pretty horrifying.

2:18:11Some of the things that flash across, I wish I can't unsee that now. Have you ever posted your stuff on X? Yes, lots of stuff on X. So most of this stuff is available there. Well, I got canceled out of Twitter when it was Twitter and I could not make another account. It's like they knew where I was. They were able to even always use different phone numbers and different emails that could not restore an account. Bigger your IP. Yeah, maybe that's what I used to. I used VPN as well. Couldn't do it. Really? I would get in the account set up and then they would say you went against standards and cancel it.

2:18:41So anyway, they must have put a cookie on your phone or something. You try a new phone. Try to computer too. Wow. But I did finally get an account. I was able to open an account and get a blue check mark. But I've only got, look, I don't have that many followers. I'm going to went from having over 95 ,000 to having nothing and now rebuild. That's, they love that. They love to let us build ourselves up and chop us down and make us rebuild a scatter. What is your account? We'll help you out. It's DR. It's Dr. Suzanne H7. DR SUZANNE H7. Yeah. And I don't post my opinions about different things in the world and dog and cat pictures.

2:19:17Like, I post stuff about vaccines. I like to stay in lane as best as I can. So for you, was the COVID pandemic was that like a big wake up call for people to start reading your book?

2:19:36We've had pretty good sales. Like, Roman keeps, because he does all the accounting and he says we just have a good amount of steady sales and went to a while. We'll see if, like every time you mentioned the book, we had a little blip on it. During COVID, every time Bill Gates comes out and says something stupid, we have a big surge in our sales. So they actually help us when they say, with their, you know, we're going to, if we've vaccinated enough people, we can help depopulate. It's like, okay, and for whatever reason, our book sales go up. When he starts talking about vaccine deniers and vaccine skeptics, when, whenever they started doing that in the way, the language that it would use was, like when the president was saying, our patients is wearing thin.

2:20:13We've been patient with you, but our patients is wearing thin. And the White House prints this thing that if you're vaccinated, you did your job. But for those unvaccinated, you're looking, looking forward to a, what did they say? A winter of, a dark winter of death and disease. Like what? You know, dark winter was a tabletop exercise. Do you know about tabletop exercises? I do, but what is dark winter? So dark winter was one, you can explain tabletop exercises. That involves smallpox. Well, there are lots of them, but Johns Hopkins does, I have a whole PowerPoint on this too, but Johns Hopkins conducts a lot of them.

2:20:48They, they involves fictional scenarios where, you know, there could be pandemics and terroristic depositions of toxins and chemicals and microbes that were manipulated in a lab. And then who in this, in our society is going to respond and how they're going to respond, like the CDC and DARPA and the news outlets are always, up, up most importance as a news outlets and the messaging that goes to news outlets and these tabletop exercises. But dark winter was one that was a tabletop exercise after the World Trade Center is thing when we were pointing our fingers at a rock and weapons of mass destruction and a Russian scientist that, you know, had weaponized smallpox and brought it to Iraq, which they never found, by the way.

2:21:31But because of that, that's why I was asked to get vaccinated for smallpox in 2003 was that dark winter, hold that dark winter thing that was going on. Thank God there were a few people in the CDC and consultants, old guys, the old guys with integrity that like knew the deal from the old days. We're saying, wait a minute, smallpox is not easily transmitted. So that's a no -no. So even if there is a terroristic smallpox drop, it's not going to be easily transmitted. It's treatable, not high, and the vaccine doesn't necessarily prevent it. And so that was kind of one of the things that stalled it all out.

2:22:03But then they did the study on the Marines because the part of the exercises are we must do tests for the new vaccine. They use the old vaccine, the dry vaccine. And there were lots of problems with those military people. And then I was asked to sign a 63 page informed consent, basically saying that I understood all the problems that could happen to me, that I didn't have little kids in my life, that I wasn't going to be able to spread it. I would isolate after I got the vaccine. So they were ultra careful about this one because they knew they were dealing with something that could be get a very bad reputation.

2:22:38The reason they ultimately canceled it is because any doubts whether or not well funded must not be allowed to exist. Because if we were saying, oh my gosh, we have this terrible smallpox vaccine. How did they do it back then? We have the same vaccine and people are getting really sick and dying and having cardiomyopathies. That's a problem. And so that's why the truth gets locked down over COVID. We know, look, you've seen the athletes dropping dead. You know about the cardiomyopathies and the pulmonary embolite and all that kind of thing. Nobody's talking about the stem cells that the newborn babies are born without.

2:23:07Nobody's talking about the fact that there are now death dualists to deliver dead babies. Like that wasn't even a thing before. But I've got a friend that's a midwife who tells me that they are now creating a new field, which are midwives that only deliver dead babies. They do nothing else. They didn't need that before. COVID was an absolute nightmare in terms of obstetrics, gynecology, labor and delivery. A lot of midwives that got done and because they didn't get vaccinated, they don't even want to go back now that they can go back because they don't want to have their good reputations of 100 % of normal births being dealing with what's being dealt with today in terms of the birth problems that are happening because of the actual vaccine itself.

2:23:48Because, look, if it causes problems and blood clots in our circulation, what do you think it's going to do to a placenta that is pretty much all blood vessel? That's all it is. It's like a big blood vessel sandwich is what it is. There was no studies that showed that it was safe to give to pregnant women, but yet they were saying that. Well, there's, look, every influenza vaccine package insert says, it's never been tested for carcinogenicity or mutagenicity in pregnant women. Yet, it's recommended every year for every pregnant woman and every time they get pregnant or not. It's recommended, same with the pertussis vaccine, give it to pregnant women.

2:24:21Never mind that it changes the immune reactivity of the infant. Nobody talks about these things. This is what I say when, you know, it's like the truth is so much more complicated than the sound bite lie. The sound bite lie is what gets around the world three times. The science is settled. Science is settled. There's no debate needed because the likes of me are so crazy and you know, whacked out and, you know, when I'm trying to destroy the good order of the general public, things like that. Blood is on your hands. Oh, that's a good one. I always love that one. Yeah, that's a fun one. I like that one.

2:24:54Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, put, see if you can pull up rational wiki and Humphreys. You'll enjoy this. I want to see the image of the guy with tetanus. Did you find that? It was log. Can I just see one? I want to see what it looks like when you're locked up. It's an old painting. Well, the one I saw it was like, hey, I want one. So can I ask you when you've treated people that have tetanus and didn't have the tetanus shot or did they get tetanus and they had the tetanus shot? The one that had the worst tetanus had, Ted Lockjohn had the tetanus shot. Like, is that comes up? Put in painting, put in artwork or painting.

2:25:26Look at that dead guy. But go up to that dead guy. Yeah, right there. That's not real. I mean, it looks real. It looks fake as shit. Does it? It does. Not to me, bro. It could be. It could be. Look, he's clearly been in the hospital for a really long time. He probably got hospital quiet tetanus. Such a kid. So I don't want to put this on the screen. Okay. You know, yeah. Right. But that image right there, what makes you think that that's fake? It's very blurry. Yeah, that is weird. That part there looks, it definitely. It does look fake. It's not too, I guess. Oh, yeah. It's probably a bunch of Nazi tetanus.

2:25:56But if you put in painting, painting soldier tetanus, then it will come up. Is that it right there? There it is. First one right there. It's very famous. That's what's on the Wikipedia page as well. So this is, if you don't want that to happen, if you do get tetanus and there is no antibiotics. This is surely what will happen to you. Now, today, how would you treat someone who got tetanus? There are antibiotics, you know, that you, but mostly it's supportive care. Until, you know, your therapy starts to work. So some people end up, if it's not dealt to in time, you can end up ventilated. But again, that's, it's a theoretical problem.

2:26:32But if you get on it in time, that's not certainly not been my experience. And so the ones that I've treated that haven't been vaccinated have had the easiest mildest cases. But so your point is, I don't know, I've not done a large randomized controlled study. But what's really important here is what you're saying is that even if you get the tetanus shot, if you step on a nail, like you could still get tetanus. Look, one of the tetanus, in order to make tetanus immune globuline, which is another option when, say, you have a cut and your magic tetanus shot doesn't work right away, then you can get an immune globuline injection that came from somebody who has had tetanus.

2:27:07Usually, these are people who have actually had tetanus, not who have been back. And one of the donors that's in the literature that I use is somebody who has had natural tetanus, despite having several, several vaccines. So no, the tetanus vaccine is not a guarantee against. It's like a severe tetanus. It's called a... That's right before you die, they call it severe. Yeah. But the tetanus calls to be caused by my tetanus. So this is the kind of the dead baby equivalent of, you know, that they use for tetanus. So this was a soldier, I believe, during a very long time ago, and he was... Don't even show you, he was wound.

2:27:42He's probably stepped on something. It can happen. Not saying it can't, but again, our parents, given well -rounded information, no, they're not. They're not told that there are actually things you can do to prevent tetanus. Shouldn't they, at least, be told how to clean out a wound? Right. And not to let anybody sew it up. And secondary healing is a thing like, some people get open heart surgery, and because they get infections, I've seen this happen. They just leave everything open and let it feel in on its own. You end up with a big scar, but they're still alive, because the infection was able to heal from the inside out, or rather the wound was able to heal from the inside out.

2:28:13What you don't want to happen is a wound to heal from the outside, because then you're locking in dead tissue, which is a perfect setup. Tetanus loves dead tissue, which is why they use dead rot and meat to grow the vaccine.

2:28:26Toxoid. What is it like to have your entire view of medical history? Do a 180? Like, what does it like to be a practicing doctor, and someone who never would have imagined this, until you faced these... It's kind of exciting actually, because during my medical residency, towards the end of it, I was like, I just thought one day, I'm not a healer. I don't know how to heal anything. I'm just prolonging people's lives, treating their diseases with drugs. I'm a glorified pharmaceutical technician. I realized that one day, and I was like, I'm not a surgeon. I can't do surgery, so I write prescriptions.

2:29:06I do diagnosis, and I write prescriptions. So I decided to go into a field where people really needed prescriptions. If you don't have kidney function, you're on dialysis. That's one of the glories of medicine. You can prolong people's lives. I really enjoyed that. But then after I left completely, and I started studying real physiology beyond what I learned in medicine, I'm learning a lot of the stuff you're learning too, the new tropics and all that stuff that you talk about. Well, I'm learning about that. I love it actually. It's exciting. I've been liberated from a prison, essentially, from a stupid prison, where my brain was locked down, and I was told what to do and how to do it, and then watching the results.

2:29:42One thing of the results were good, okay? But the results aren't good. We treat symptoms. We treat hypertension. Hypertension is a symptom. It's not a disease. Hypertension can come from lots of different things. That's just one case in point. So I really love being able to now have the freedom to look at the full human being and their physiology and look at them as an electromagnetic entity that has some chemicals and vitamins and help them direct their body back towards the blueprint that it was designed upon. And that's to me what real healing and real medicine is about. It's not about being anti -antibiotic, anti -this, anti -that.

2:30:19It's like, how about pro -life? How about we get your, you know, you're going out working every day. That's great, because you know why you're getting your blood and your lymph flowing and you're sweating. You sweat, you know, the aluminum comes out and your sweat, toxic metals come out and your sweat. You create salt levels in your blood that stimulates your skin immune system, which is a separate entity. Like, I didn't know any of this when I was a conventionally practicing doctor. To even say, like, I wanted to detoxify mercury out of my patients in order to lower their blood pressure. And I was told that that was not allowed.

2:30:48We're not like, well, then I don't want to do this anymore because I know from a hair mineral analysis and from a chelation test that that person is burdened with aluminum and mercury. And I know that both of those things can raise blood pressure. So why wouldn't we want to remove that? The same reason we're not allowed to save vaccines. You know what a multi -billion dollar industry blood pressure treatment is and cholesterol treatment is. I don't know. Forget about it. Yeah, I mean, I saw my lignit hypertension after it happened after a tetanachod and an adult patient of mine. And so that was another one, you know, thing that woke me up.

2:31:21And I was like, gosh, that's weird. And then you look up, you see there's other case reports and then you're told, well, case reports don't mean anything. You need randomized controlled studies. Yeah, so it's like there's frustration at every corner. But I love doing what I do now. And I love the fact, look, it was all great. I wouldn't change anything in my life. Just put it that way. And I'm really glad I have the background of conventional medicine. But that's like background of conventional medicine is like year one and really learning about healing and life. It's just it's the very basics.

2:31:54And doctors still need to keep learning. But most conventional doctors are mandated to keep learning. But they can, they're told where they can read to get their credits every year. You can only get your credits from reading this and answering the questions like a good little doggy every year. Which I still have to do. But beyond that, when I have my own spare time, you know, like I've learned ozone therapy, I've learned how to use vitamin C. I've learned how to look at the body electromagnetically and use bio -resonance. And there's just so much stuff you can do that really helps people. And keeps them out of a whole bunch of trouble that they would have gotten into if they went and took allergy medicines and got their tonsils out or kept on their blood pressure medications.

2:32:34And let the inflammation go wild in their body and didn't know anything about how to dampen. Look, most disease comes from inflammation. You know, cholesterol is trying to save you. It's not trying to kill you. The cholesterol is a response to inflammation. It's like your fever is trying to save your life. It's like everything in medicine is about dampening down the symptoms that are trying to save your life. You know? So it's like I'd look at it. I think I can't believe I ever actually agreed upon that. Well, it took a lot of courage to step out of line and speak your mind. And I'm really glad you did.

2:33:08Because I hope more will realize that this is what a doctor is supposed to do. And you're not supposed to be a spokesperson for an industry that's pretty sociopathic. You know, which makes some great strides. Look, there's a lot of amazing orthopedic surgeons and eye surgeons and neurosurgeons. There's a lot of amazing work being done by medicine. But then there's also the pharmaceutical drug company which when attached to that and to the money people, they want to make more money every time they can. Every quarter, they want to have a bigger quarter, they want a bigger house, they want a bigger jet and they just keep going.

2:33:48And the way to get money is to get you to take their stuff. It's not to heal you. The way they really make money is to get an advantage that you're sick. And if that wasn't the case, we would have more medical freedom than we have, right? Right. Because we would have choices, we would have options, we wouldn't be told what we have to do to protect the public. You shouldn't be shamed for getting better from some other way. That wouldn't be a thing. I know. That wouldn't be a thing. Pretty crazy, isn't it? Yeah, it's pretty weird. Well, thank you very much for doing what you do and for writing that book.

2:34:18Because it was a real eye opener for me. I had no idea. I had no idea of the history of these things. I had no idea the correlations between like when the vaccine was induced and what when the death rates had already dropped down. I didn't know all that stuff until I read the book. Maybe the book. I do not remember. I don't remember. Somebody recommended it. Okay. And you read it. Yeah. Cheers to you. Well, it's a page -turner. You know, it's, I listened to it in my car too and I listened to it in the sauna. It's one of those books that you kind of have to go over at a couple of times just to sort of digest it and go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

2:35:01Wait, wait. Hold on. Apple cider vinegar, they were using to stop people from getting smallpox. Like, what the fuck is that? How was that real? Like the doctors were saying that they were treating people with smallpox and they didn't worry about getting it because they were consuming apple cider vinegar multiple times a day. And it actually worked. That's what the reports showed. Even today, apple cider vinegar, you know, it's had a big resurgence in terms of of, you know, keeping your gut pH nice and low so that you can digest your food better, which has downstream effects to everything, but it's also a fermented product.

2:35:32You know, it's got a lot of benefits. Not just that, but even on the skin. It's like really great to put on chickenpox and probably smallpox as well. But if I may, just direct people to dissolvingillusions .com because if you just go to Amazon, you're not gonna, there's two different versions of the book. There's the original one that you read and then there's the 10th anniversary version that has 200 extra pages. And we delineate early on what the new pages, what the new chapters are. So you don't have to go read the old stuff if you don't want to. What are the new 200 pages cover? It covers tuberculosis.

2:36:03It covers, oh, this one of the chapters I really love. It's toxic medicine of the past, all the different crazy treatments that I was telling you about. And then I added a whole bunch of the hooping cough because more information came out after 2013. So we added that in. And then we published a second book, which is all full of doctor quotes from 200 years because people say, why are you the only one? It's like, well, I'm actually not the only one. It's like back then, this was what was recorded from doctors in public health officials, which is probably 1 % of what actually was said. And then we have hard to find.

2:36:33Vaccination tragedies, royal commission on vaccination, timeline. And then we have rare documents at the back that has like the Encyclopedia Britannica where they hired a very highly decorated, well -known, highly respected doctor to write a chapter on smallpox and at the end when he did what I did and basically looked at all the facts, he decimated the vaccine completely. So you can't really find that very easily anymore. So this one is called the companion book to dissolving illusions. But if you can see all the versions and all we've been translated into eight languages we're about to be translated into Chinese.

2:37:09But the best resource is dissolvingillusions .com and it will show you what your options for purchase and where you can purchase the different books. If you want an alternative press, we have an alternative press for those people that don't want to do Amazon. So yeah, and all the different languages and the different versions are on there. All right. Thank you again. Thank you very much. Really appreciate you. My pleasure. All right. Bye everybody.

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