#2299 - Dave Smith

25:41To get this. Do you remember what Dick Cheney was in the bunker and w wasn't yeah that's when he knew it was up yeah that little told you something who we were informed that he was in the bunker which is so crazy like why would you say where the guy everyone's trying to kill is hiding. Are you that confident in your bunker? And where's this bunker? What is it look like? Can I get a fucking MTV Cribs to wear this bunker? What's going on with the bunker? And look man, and then just, and you could see now where there's like so much, there's such a rise in people being so fed up with this stuff. But the idea that we're now, I mean look just even with this whole signal gate shit that just happened.

26:25And it's like the real scandal there isn't even, I mean, I do think that Mike Waltz should be fired over this, I mean, it's a crazy screw up and it's totally embarrassing. How do you do that? I mean, I don't understand how you do that. It doesn't make any sense to me. Did you see his interview? But it is a signal chat between high level government officials with classified information that's being discussed about war plan. They would claim it's not classified, but it was information about an eminent attack that's about to take place. How does that happen? I don't know how to talk to you. Yeah, if that's not classified, somebody else should get fired.

27:04Yeah, but at the end of the day, you have, I believe there was 18 people in that chat. Is that correct? It's something probably around there. And no one goes over those things before you start addressing this information. If Jamie and I were talking shit about someone and we decided to do it on signal, like I would make sure that I didn't accidentally include my mom. Yeah, right? Or a fucking reporter I know. Or like, or Trump himself, who sees your enemy, like the person who hates you the most. How could you even have that guy in your contact list? Like what's going on? And also, like how do you accidentally include someone?

27:45And the chat is, I mean, this is, you can't overstate it, short of the president of the United States. It's the most senior positions. It's, you have to see I'm going over the list before you go live. It's unbelievable. But I will say that like that. And perhaps there's another element. I mean, I don't know, you know, I don't exactly know. I know in Trump's first term, the efforts from his own government to sabotage him were profound. They're recording him. Yeah, I mean, they were, they were framing him for being a Russian spy, his own intelligence agencies. And so when you have a conversation like this, get leaked to the most anti -Trump propagandist at the Atlantic.

28:27It does raise some questions like, Hey, question. Was this done intentionally? Was it not? Whoopsies. Yeah, it's, and I don't know if you saw, but Waltz was, he did Laura Ingram show, like a couple days after it came out. And I mean, his answers were just ridiculous. What do you say? It was like, she was like, so was this a staffer who messed up with someone? And it goes, no, no, no, no, I take full responsibility. But it was, you know, I'm sure a lot of people have a contact with the wrong number saved in the contact or something like that. Yeah, but you don't include that. Yeah, but also every time I get a new phone, one of the things I do is I go, Oh, wow, look at all the dead people on my phone.

29:07Right. I have a lot of dead people on my phone. It's depressing, yeah. It's so sad, but I have a lot of friends that I look through my contact list. I'm like, fuck, he's gone. Oh, fuck, he's gone. It's, you know, like, and I have to make the decision. Do I delete them from my contact list? Generally, I don't, I like to see in their names. Yeah, I know it's a real, I have an old message from an old boss of mine. I keep the phone just because it's got the voicemail on it. Yeah, no, I get that. Yeah, yeah. It's like, you keep things that you don't need. I have contacts for people that are not just dead, but people that are dead to me.

29:41You know what I mean? Like, why do I have them in there? Sure. I don't trust that guy anymore. But you don't add them to a fucking chat list. That doesn't make any sense. Well, right, and also, and he was claiming like the idea of, which I'm sure has happened to all of us before, where like maybe you're taking down someone's number and you enter it wrong. So like, but that wouldn't, you wouldn't happen to hit the Atlantic journalist guy's number. No, he was, he had to be in contact with that guy. Well, he claims he's never been in contact with him. He's never met him. He's never been in contact with him.

30:11And then they found pictures of him together at like different events. So he's already lying. Yeah, he's already lying. It's not, but I will say like that. It's like with a lot of these things. You know, there was like a, which we've talked about before on the show, but there's the leaked Victoria Nuel and phone call where she's deciding who the new government in Ukraine will be. Right, right around the table. Okay, and then at one point, she's furious at the European Union for not like moving in faster. And she goes, at one point, she goes, you know, fuck the European Union. We'll just do it ourselves.

30:45We should play that recording. Sure, because it's so crazy. But April should hear it. But the point is that the, um, the scandal became that she said, fuck the EU. And you're like, no, no, no, that's not the scandal here. That's not, they're like, isn't this undiplomatic of her saying fuck the European Union? Like that's the least of what's interesting about this. Isn't it interesting that Congress people swear now? It's very bizarre. Everybody's swearing. Yeah. Everybody's like, fuck this, call people retards. It's great. Well, it's, it's like they lost. They were trying to play that like Donald Trump's like down here and we're the digger.

31:18And then that didn't work. So they were like, I guess we'll just try to be like him. Don't know. Fuck Elon Musk. Yeah. Everybody's excited again. It's interesting. They're adopting podcast language is what it is. Yes, but it's, um, I don't think it's going to be successful for them because what they're not adopting is the authenticity of it. And it comes off as kind of like, um, it goes, oh, now you're doing this. Like after all these years of pretending you were all formal and everything was about decorum and how Donald Trump was an imbe, he wasn't presidential enough. And now you're like, oh, so you never really believed any of that shit.

31:51It's like, it's like them trying to turn on the woke stuff. It's like it just does, it's too long. Right. You were so married to this for too long. You, you gave up your authenticity for too long. Yeah. And it, it's like a Chris Cuomo type deal. It's, it's like, you know, it's like a, it's a, a little bit more and drinking the beer, but like not doing it right, you know, putting like a whole mouth over a bottle of beer. I, I want people to get better, right? So if you were a propagandist and you like, you know, this is bullshit, but there's examples of those people out there that are legitimate, you know, and then there's also people that realize like, oh, well, that job is over.

32:26I can't do that anymore. Now I have to be something different. Let me try to be authentic. Yes. But you can, people can read that, man. They can tell. They can tell them. They're never going to fully be authentic. You're always going to hold something back. You're always going to, you're going to say things because you want people to think of you a certain way, rather than, okay, this is uncomfortable, but this is how I think. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, but so, so anyway, just on the signal thing though, again, like the real scandal here is not that they, whatever, either intentionally or were just so incompetent that they, they added this journalist to it and it got leaked.

33:01Like the real scandal is like when you look through the chat and that it's like, what are we, because what are we doing here? We're bombing another country in the Middle East. We're bombing the poorest country in the Middle East. Yeah. By the way, which has been bombed forever. Oh my God. On behalf of Israel, because they're standing up against this fucking brutal war in Gaza right now. And so we're going to bomb these guys again. And then you have like, I got to say, man, like I was disgusted by Tulsi Gabbards response there. Someone who I've, you know, said a lot of nice things about over the years and who I really supported as being the, the DNI.

33:35But like literally only JD Vance is the only one who offers the mildest pushback and goes, he's like, hey guys, this is kind of a mistake and it's kind of everything against what Donald Trump ran on. And by the way, like it's like such an insignificant amount of our trade that even goes through this area. It's really Europe's problem, not ours. And but I'll go along with it if you guys want to. If you guys say, and then they literally say on the thing, they go, we've, we've tracked the missile guy, as they call him, this is the target, they're trying to take out. They go, we've tracked him to his girlfriend's apartment building.

34:09And so we'll level the apartment building. And then Tulsi Gabbards just like job well done team. Everybody's cheering it on. There's not like nobody, nobody even has the thought to go like, you know, like any, is there a way we could do this without like murdering an entire apartment building's worth of people here? Is there a way, man, this is a lot like, it's like to none of you guys even kind of believe in God, or none of you even scared that maybe God exists and that like Jesus Christ, what are we doing here? There's none of that. There's not a feeling of that. There's not a sense of like, we're, and you know, and I've talked about this before on the show, but we go, the whole history of the war in Yemen going all the way back to Obama's first term.

34:51I mean, what we've done to this country, the poorest country in the Middle East, I mean, there, it was a goddamn genocide that happened in Yemen. I mean, it was the drone bomb campaign from Obama was bad enough, but the Saudi invasion and the blockade and the war on the civilian population, you know, hundreds of thousands of people died, hundreds of thousands of cases of like cholera and these other like, very easily preventable and treatable diseases that they just babies were just dying of because they had a full blockade around the country, aren't it the US Navy fucking enforcing the blockade?

35:22The US fucking refueling the Saudi fighter jets and backing them the whole war there. And the idea that we think what launched in a couple Tomahawks is gonna break the Houthis after they went through all that shit, there's no chance, like it's not, you're just killing people for no strategic benefit. It's, there's the only thing that would actually, like we could overthrow the Houthis if we wanted to invade the country. Like the US military could do that. But like, short of that, the idea that this is - bombing somehow or another, especially drone bombing, sort of like is in the ether. Yeah. You know what I mean?

35:59It's almost abstract. Yeah. Like you don't, like if we sent a Tier One team to go take this dude out, that would be front page news. That would be like an act of war. That would be a good thing where declaring war on this country. We've invaded their land with actual boots on the ground. It's different for some weird reason. Like you're allowed to use flying robots remote controlled by drone operators, who by the way have some of the weirdest fucking PSD. PTSD rather. These people are all fucked up for a long time because they watch these folks, because they're watching these folks. They know the people around, they get to know, they watch them for days, they see them hug their kids, and then they get that fucking call.

36:43And you don't get any of the, and I don't know. I mean, I'm just kind of speculating here I'm not, no psychologist. This episode is brought to you by Zip Recruiter. Sometimes speed is a huge asset. Like in the ring or on the field being quicker than your opponent could be the difference between winning and losing. In the world of business, it could be the difference between finding or missing out on your next great hire. Luckily, you can speed up the hiring process with Zip Recruiter. Their new Zip Intro feature can help you meet several interested qualified candidates at once. Kind of like speed dating.

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38:04Zip Intro post jobs today talk to qualified candidates tomorrow. But there's something I think where, like if you're in the fight, if you're in the action, you know, you, it, it, like a lot of different, you know, primal things are gonna kick up. Like you're, you know, as all the troops say, I've talked to a whole lot of them. It's almost unanimous to a man that they always say, the thing you're fighting for once you get there is your brother next to you. Like it's not even, it's like forget the mission or whatever. It's like you fuck, this is your guy right here. And you guys are going into make sure your buddy doesn't get his leg blown off or whatever.

38:38But when you don't, you don't have any of that, there aren't bullets whizzing at you. There's not your friend next to you. There's not this like sense of like, I had to do what I had to do. And they said, when you're just watching it, on a monitor from a safe distance. Yeah. I mean, there's some way that that fucks you up on a whole different level. It's got to. It's got to haunt your dreams. It has to. There's no other way. I mean, you see a man holding his child and swing around in his arms. And then you know, you're gonna blow that man in that kid to smithereens. Yeah. And you have to, because the kids are near the dad and we got a killer guy.

39:09Yeah, and you got orders, you know? Yeah. And a whole apartment building. Like, what are we talking about? Like thousands of people? But what are we talking about? To get to this guy? Well, you know, there's a mushroom clown. Boom. Yeah. There's a clip that Tim Poole got like a real short interview with Donald Trump during the campaign. Like, I think he was the first one, but it wasn't like a long form podcast. Like, he was the first podcast, but he did like 20 minutes or something like that. But he did get this one clip at a Donald Trump on that thing where Donald Trump is eviscerating Joe Biden for bombing the Houthis for the same exact reason, because they were firing on shipping lanes.

39:50And Donald Trump's like, what type of idiot is Joe Biden? I mean, these guys, their answer for everything is to drop bombs on it, pick up a phone. Diplomacy can work here. Like, you don't have to do this. And the fact is that there were during the ceasefire, which Trump's envoy negotiated, which is fallen apart now, but during the ceasefire, there were no Houthi attacks on the shipping lanes. Like, they stopped them. And then when the ceasefire fell apart, they picked them back up again. Now, feel however you feel about that. I'm just saying, there is a diplomatic solution here, right? Like, they are willing to like, if there's a ceasefire, they will stop these attacks.

40:29But there's not a military solution short of invading the country and having yet another catastrophic war in the Middle East. And it's like, so which one of those do you want to pick? America first crowd. I mean, like Donald Trump was explicitly elected for this reason as a repudiation of the foreign policy of the last 30 years. They were like done with this. We want to put America first. And as you could see, even JD Vance and then a little bit Pete Higgseth, they're only a show. You know, it's never the innocent people being killed. You know, for a bunch of Christians, I just, it's kind of weird that that never comes up.

41:05But their issue is, oh, this is us bailing out Europe because Europe actually relies more on these shipping lanes than the United States does by orders of magnitude. And, but even that is part of the America first thing that Donald Trump totally ran against. Like, why is it that we have to put the bill for everybody else's defense? And that makes no sense. We're broke. Our country is in bad shape. We need those resources here. What is the justification for these bombings? What is the public justification? That the Houthis have attacked a few US cargo ships and that there's, you know, that they're international trade.

41:43They don't have a right to disrupt international trade in this way. Which is like, okay, it's true. I mean, the thing that I've seen the most is like that people will go, well, we can't just turn a blind eye to this aggression by the Houthis. But I also do think, and I don't even blame people for this because it's nobody, you know, in the corporate media or it ever talked about any of this stuff or very rarely talked about it, never really told the story. That it's like, yeah, if you're just coming into the story now, I could see where you might think the Houthis are the aggressors. But if you're winding the tape from this, there is just no debate about it.

42:18I mean, there's no question that we literally started, you know, it was in 2009 when Obama started up with the drone bombing, the then secret drone bombing campaign. And Yemen was one of the major theaters. You know, this was where, if you remember, because it was like the biggest scandal of the Obama administration, also not talked about much in the media, but was talked about on a lot of podcasts, was that Anwar Al -Aki and his like 14 or 15 year old son, his two American citizens were both killed by drone bombs in Yemen. And this was caused a bit of an outrage among some people because you were like, hey, you know, you really can't murder American citizens who have never been charged of a crime.

43:01You can't just say, you know, I just, you know, forget that whole Bill of Rights thing, they're on my list. And by the way, the kid was not Al -Qaeda affiliated or anything and they claimed that that was an intentional, but it sure seemed like it was. But so Obama had a drone, you know, he was fighting at the time, Al -Qaeda and the Arabian Peninsula had like a presence in Yemen. So he's drone bombing these Al -Qaeda sites. They're, I think the estimates were something like 95 to 96 % of the people who died were not the targets. So just killing a whole bunch of innocent people. And then as always happens in these situations, Al -Qaeda and the Arabian Peninsula just grew stronger and stronger and stronger because this is, you know, it's insurgent math, like General McRistle said, you know, you kill a bunch of innocent people and then you kill one little girl and she had three brothers and a father and two uncles and they all join up Al -Qaeda now because like fuck you.

43:56They're gonna get you back for that shit. Everyone's radicalized. Yes. So, so we're doing this drone bomb campaign over there. It's completely failing and Al -Qaeda and the Arabian Peninsula is just getting stronger and stronger. At the same time, Obama kind of bribed off the dictator of Yemen at the time, this guy, Salah. And he was like, listen, if you let us do our fucking drone bombing campaigns in here, we'll give you a whole bunch of weapons and money. And so it took the deal. And then he used those weapons to go attack this group, the Houthis. And then he also started losing to them. Like even with the US weapons, the Houthis were fucking him up.

44:32And then little by little, the Houthis like kind of took over the whole country. And then in, now the Houthis are also enemies with Al -Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Like these are radical Sunnis, Al -Qaeda, versus radical Shiites, the Houthis. And so their fucking enemy is in there fighting a civil war while all this is going on. And then Saudi Arabia decided to invade in early 2015. And in 2015, and you could look this up if you Google Obama to placate the Saudis. These are literally what the Obama officials told the New York Times, I believe it was the New York Times. They told them that literally this is why, so Obama, stabbed the Houthis in the back, took Saudi Arabia side, took Al -Qaeda's side, started fighting in a civil war against the Houthis, which is in effect taking Al -Qaeda's side in that war.

45:29And so the Saudis invade the country. Now Obama said essentially that because the Saudis are like an important trading partner, and they were pissed off at us at the time. They were very upset about the war in Iraq. The Saudis were the ones in the region who were against at the whole time, because they knew. They were like, you're just going to give Baghdad to Iran, basically, and that's their big enemy is Iran. And then they were also really pissed off because Obama did the one decent thing he did in his administration was he worked out that deal with Iran, same goddamn thing that Trump tore up and is now demanding they get back in a some type of nuclear deal.

46:01But so in order to placate the Saudis, Obama goes, okay, we'll back your war here. And like I said, full blockade around the country, refueling their military jets, quiet support for Saudis, entangles US and Yemen. This is, yeah, here it is. Obama in an awkward twist become Saudi Arabia's defender. Wow. And it is hard to overstate how brutal the Saudis were in this war. I mean, like, you know, think of Gaza, something not too unsimilar to that, but you're talking like a full blockade around the country, this was the poorest country in the Middle East before any of this, full blockade around the country.

46:47The Saudis were bombing, they were bombing their agriculture, they were bombing their like wheat silos, they were bombing their irrigation ditches, they're just like a total war on the civilian population, all the way from 2015 into 2021, when it essentially ended in like an Afghanistan style, I guess we give up. Like it was just eventually the saddest, I think the Houthis, you know, one of the things that's really interesting that happened this whole time like you were talking about the drone wars. So back in 2009, first of all, it was secret. The drone program wasn't, everyone knew it, there had been good reporting on it, but the way they got the good reporting was like people found the drones in Yemen, you know, and they'd take like little, you know, grainy cell phone pictures and be like, look this is a US drone.

47:33So there's clearly, but actually the Obama's press secretary, it's not, god damn it, not Jay Karney, his first press secretary, I'm blanking on his name, but he admitted this on NBC News, it was like a really amazing, but he like was talking about how the drone program, this is years later like 2012, he's at NBC News now, and he was talking about how when he used to get questions about the drone program, he wasn't allowed to, he wasn't allowed to even acknowledge that it was real. So he would just sit there, yeah, I Robert Gibbs, I apologize, I should have remembered that. I was told not to even acknowledge the drone program.

48:12There's video of this. When I went through the process of becoming press secretary, one of the first things they told me was, you're not even to acknowledge the drone program. You're not even to discuss that it exists. Said former White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs, up with Chris Hayes on day. So now think about, okay, by the way, there is video of this, it wasn't, I don't know if it's in this article or not, but I mean, that was essentially the point, but the thing in the video, it's so funny, it's like they all are laughing about it. Like they're talking about like what kind of, what a funny thing it is, like imagine being in the position where you can't admit that a real thing's real, and journalists are asking you questions, and he said, because it is kind of funny in a weird way, but that's like, you'd think a news man, that wouldn't be the number one thing.

48:54Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is it. Come on, let me, thanks. I certainly think there are aspects of that program that are and will remain highly sensitive and very secret, but let me give you an example here, Chris. When I went through the process of becoming press secretary, one of the things, one of the first things they told me was, you're not even to acknowledge the drone program. You're not even to discuss that it exists. And so I would get a question like that, and literally I couldn't tell you what major asked, because once I figured out it was about the drone program, I realized I'm not supposed to talk about it.

49:32And, but here's what's inherently crazy about that proposition. You're being asked a question based on reporting of a program that exists, right? So you're the official government spokesperson, acting as if entire program, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. It's, I think in many ways, and I think what the president has seen, and I have not talked to him about this, so I want to be careful, this is my opinion. But I think what the president has seen is our denial of the existence of the program, when it's obviously happening, undermines people's confidence overall in the decisions that their government makes.

50:10That's really, that's the major problem with murdering people in the poorest country in the Middle East, you know? It might undermine people's trust in you, and therefore your ability to murder more people in the poorest country in the Middle East. So just like, by the way, whenever you see anyone over the last, like say eight years on MSNBC or CNN, sorry about a threat to democracy and the free press and all this, shot the fuck up, you hired that guy, the guy who's sitting there telling you, like when it comes to the issue, forget whether you're for the war or against the war. It's a secret war.

50:44You're not, forget democracy. The people aren't even allowed to have an opinion on this. Even as the White House press secretary, you're not even allowed to acknowledge it. And like why not? I mean, it's just, it's not as if they were like, well, if Al Qaeda knows that we're coming for them, then something is compromised. It's just like, oh yeah, Obama ran as the peace candidate. He collected a Nobel Peace Prize before he had done anything, and he didn't particularly want to tell people that he had just started this new campaign of just murdering whoever he wanted to for whatever reason he wanted to.

51:16And you know, one of the things that's interesting about the technology of it, and I remember people much smarter than me predicting this at the time. I guess I never really appreciated like exactly the timetable of all of it, but it went in 2009, which he's talking about 2009, a few years later there, it went from like, oh, the US has this new technology where we can use drones and war. So all of a sudden now in 2025, you're sitting around in everybody, like this is just part of war now. Literally even the Houthis, I mean, they don't have the capabilities we have, but they have drone bombs. And that's part of how they were able to get the Saudis to finally back out is like, they could hit some of their oil fields with their drone bombs, and it was enough of a pain in the ass for the Saudis to be like, all right, call it quits.

52:04And so they ended that war in 21. But now these Houthis have been in charge of Yemen the whole time since. You know, in the same way that it was like, we fought this whole war to get the Taliban out of Afghanistan. We just lost, like they just still run the whole place. And so these guys are still there. They have gone through the, what was the worst humanitarian crisis in the world from 2015 to 2021. They survived all of that and they're still there. And now they see the same goddamn thing happening in Gaza. Then they're the, again, I'm not, like this is their stated thing. I'm not saying like they're all great people or something, but they're going like, no, fuck that.

52:40We're standing up for the people in Gaza. And so they were like, as long as all of you guys are supporting Israel, just slaughtering all these people, then we are going to start, you know, like trying to shut down these shipping lines, which they don't really have the capacity to do, but they can hit some cargo ships and hit some military ships. This episode is brought to you by Zipper Cruder in a survey, 76 % of employers plan to grow their teams in 2025. Now that we're halfway through the year, how are those hiring goals going? Have you filled all the rules you wanted to or are you still looking?

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55:21How does anything come to a peaceful resolution at this point? Well, it looks really bad at the moment right now. And what I always like to say, which is like 50 % just me telling myself something to feel better about the situation, but then 50 % it is kind of, like you could go around the world right now and England is right next to Ireland and everybody's just cool there right now. And that would have seemed like impossible. And France and Germany and you know what I mean? Like all these countries were like, there was a time where it just seemed impossible and you know that was Egypt and Israel.

56:03The Egypt and Israel went to war four times in the first 20 something years of the existence of the state of Israel. They just kept going to war and war and war against each other. And then in the late 70s they made a deal and it was like a land for peace swap. But isn't it part of the problem that Palestine is not a state? Like yeah, that's like the whole problem. The whole thing is like you can never come to peace if you never even acknowledge the exist. Yeah, well they've had so Israel took control of what are known as the occupied territories. They took control of Gaza and the West Bank in 1967.

56:41And it's one thing, like I'm not like saying it's ever justified, but like it's one thing to like occupy an area for a few months after a war as you're going through the process of turning it over to the, you know, like to themselves or it may be even a few years. But like we're going into like 60 years of complete Israeli control over these people and under Israeli control they have zero rights, zero rights whatsoever. I mean like they don't have the freedom of movement, they don't have freedom to trade with the outside world, they don't have voting rights, they don't have the right of due process.

57:17They get, they get if literally to this day like in the West Bank where there's like all these big Israeli settlements because the Israelis are just constantly slowly stealing more of the Palestinians land. They, if like an Israeli settler in the West Bank in the same jurisdiction gets in a dispute with a Palestinian there, the Israeli citizen, he's a citizen of Israel, he has rights, he goes to a trial. The fucking, the Palestinian goes in front of a military trial if he's lucky enough to get that. They have something like a 99 % conviction rate, you're just totally fucked. Like and this and then look a lot of people will point to like, look like there's been terrorism on the Arab side toward the Israelis going back many years.

58:04But like I think you're essentially right. You can't expect a group of people who have to just be subjugated for eternity and nobody's gonna try to violently fight back. And of course when they non violently try to fight back that gets squashed too, that gets met with violence. And then the wildest thing Trump comes along it says we're gonna take it. We're gonna take it, we're gonna turn it into the Mediterranean of the Middle East. It's such a man, it's such a, I really just, I'd say listen, I know like the last time I was on was on election night and I, look I supported Donald Trump in this last election.

58:37I think Donald Trump was like a necessary force. Donald Trump is a once in a century type of figure. If that, yeah, I mean there was just nobody was positioned to do the things that Donald Trump did and there were like enormous positives that came out of him winning this election. I mean Donald Trump landed a devastating blow on the Republican establishment in 2016 when he won the primary and he landed a devastating blow against the Democratic establishment by winning the presidency this year. And he like destroyed the corporate media like in a way that nobody else could have done. And all of those things are like incredible achievements, you know, but there is this like kind of tragedy with Donald Trump too, where it's like he's the one guy who was able to do all of this and I will say, there were just, there were hopes that it was like, hey, he may be this time around.

59:34Oh man, he's got Bobby Kennedy there, he's got Tulsi Gabbard there, he's got like, okay, this is like a whole different thing. I'm gonna stop that war in one day. Yes, right, he's here to end the war. Also like he had been burned by the system now. You know, it's not just that they called them a Russian traitor or whatever. It's like they tried to throw him in jail. They tried to murder him. Okay, this is a maybe, oh no, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry, that was totally, totally, had to phone. A lot of times as we all know, professionally, it's got departments. Yes, that happens all the time, Joe.

1:00:02Many times presidential candidates, the front runner to be president once again, former presidents, a sniper gets a clean shot, 130 yards away from them. That's a very common thing. A guy who was in a black rock commercial, just a couple of years ago. And a lot of those guys were in black rock. Rock commercials once, Joe, these are normal things that happen to normal people. It's part of everyday politics. But so a lot of this made people think like, oh, maybe, but I will say already into Trump's presidency, it's just a lot is, it's like, ah, shit. Now, I guess I got to be happy with the things that he did, but the idea that he's really figured this out or he's really on to something or he's learned a lot or he's got, the guy is out there.

1:00:38He's saying we should primary Thomas Massey and throwing his support behind Lindsey Graham. I mean, come on. What is Thomas Massey doing? The president's pissing him off. No, he didn't vote for the freaking spending bill. He voted against the CR because it increased spending and was increasing the debt and it was refunding all of the programs that Doge had recommended be cut. So he was like, no, I'm not voting for this. And Trump was like, well, I'm gonna need you to vote for it. And he was like, no. And that's it. That's his crime. The same thing, same reason Trump hated him in 2020 because he wouldn't vote for the $2 trillion COVID spending bill.

1:01:13Because he was like, wait, you're telling me because the country's locked down. That means we have to bail out every giant corporation around the country. Like, no, I'm not supporting this. And then Trump sent all his people to go, he's betraying America first or whatever. And there's one's Trump gets in it. He just wants like the next win. But the real problem here is like, the idea that we are going to go and ethnically cleanse, like finish the job of ethnically cleansing the Palestinians out of Gaza on behalf of Israel. It's like, first of all, what do you think what do you think the reaction to that's gonna be?

1:01:51What do you think that's gonna do to our country here? You know, it's like, I feel, it's like I see a lot of people who get very upset about what they call the rise of anti -Semitism, which certainly, you know, according to my Twitter feed, is real. There's a lot of people. Do you think it's, well, is it a rise or is it the ability to express it now been unlocked? Or is it both? I don't know, maybe both. You know, I have a tough time kind of figuring out exactly what it is. It's also there's a troll aspect to it. You know, there's, when you make one thing, the thing that you're not allowed to say and the thing that's gonna get a rise out of everybody, this has been true and it's been building for many years.

1:02:41Kind of the alt -right back in the day was kind of the first version of this, but where you could be some guy just on your computer, you could be a 15 year old on your phone or whatever, and you could get the New York Times senior editor to be like, oh, look at this, all right, you know, and just the ability to provoke that reaction out of somebody is that's fun. Shit first thing. Yes, that's for, you're handing this person with no power, like some real kind of power. I also think that young for young men today, particularly like young straight white men. I think it's kind of hard, like for me and you, to even understand the world they grew up in.

1:03:27There's very different than the world we grew up, like they grew up in this woke era. And okay, now it's kind of like that's receded and wokeism has been defeated, but they grew up in a time where racialism was accepted by every powerful institution, just against them. Right. You know, like it was totally fine to demonize straight white men at your high school, at your college, in your movies, in your TV shows, your politicians, celebrities, everybody was just, and that does like, it unlocks a certain thing that we kind of all had a gentleman's agreement to not unlock, like which is not really going to do that.

1:04:04You know, we don't want to be like racialists. And so that's, I think that's a component to it too, but there's also no question that it's, you know, it's exploded since Israel's launched this war on Gaza. Yeah, and it's exploded on the left, which you never heard anti -Jewish sentiment in public spaces before. You really never saw that on campuses. You know, if Israel did something, you may see a protest, but it was generally, it was organic. These don't seem organic. They seem very funded and they're very disruptive. And, you know, some universities experience vandalism and fires and crazy shit and people being threatened and doxxed, you know, it's different.

1:04:51It's a different level of it than I think we've ever seen before. And it's kind of, it's created a giant divide on the left, right? Because on the left you have a lot of people that are their whole life. They've been in support of Israel, right? And now all of a sudden there's these free Palestine people that are also on the left. So you have this divide on the left. Yeah, and there was, that divide goes back, like there were leftist divides over the Israel Palestine question going back really to like 1967, where most of the kind of like the black power movement people, like the black panthers, the nation of Islam, those guys, they all started with the Palestinians because they all saw it as like an extension of like, yeah, that's the whole, you know, we're against this kind of like racist colonizing, you know, like force.

1:05:44And then of course there were a lot of influential Jewish people on the left who were like, no, not in this case, we're okay with it. But you guys sure are right about all that civil right stuff. But like, that's not like it. Let's not look over there. But so a lot of that is kind of reemerged. Now I do also, you know, I don't know, like I've talked to a, I talked to one kid who was like a grad student at Columbia, which was really like the center of so many of these protests. And he's Jewish. And I was like, I was like, so what's it like? That he was like, yeah, they're annoying and they're laughing.

1:06:18Like some of their, their chants are like real kind of weird. Yeah, I don't really know what they mean by it. And I was like, well, do you ever feel like threatened or is it like, no, no, it's not like it's fine. They'll just chant as you walk by. And then I do know also that they had at least one time, they had like a satire service, which, cause they got like Jewish people in those protest movements too. And so they over last pass over, there's a year ago, they had like a satire service with the Jews like in there too. So I also don't know like what percentage of them are like just against the war and seeing pictures of dead babies and stuff like that.

1:06:53What percentage of them are actually, you know, like harbor resentment toward Jewish people. Like it's kind of hard to measure. But I would just say that like it almost in a very similar way to like what I was talking about with the the drone war against al -Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. It just made them stronger. You know, it's like, hey, if you want to see less al -Qaeda, maybe stop having the American military kill innocent civilians in their land. Because that seems to be fueling them. And at the same time for the people who are so concerned about the rise of anti -Semitism, you're like, okay, well, it has exploded since Israel's been doing this to Gaza, right?

1:07:29So like maybe the US shouldn't be funding and arming the whole goddamn conflict. Cause that does seem to like at least give those people a giant talking point to latch onto. Maybe we shouldn't have a system where like our political class is not allowed to criticize a foreign government. And a foreign government that's gotten us into like seven wars, at least played a large role in getting us into those wars. Explicitly, I'm not like alleging some secret conspiracy. I'm saying like Benjamin Netanyahu is John McCain. Like he's there, he's been telling us a rant hasn't nuked. He's been telling us there five years away from a nuked since I was seven.

1:08:09Literally, he's been saying a rant is five years away from a nuked the entire time. And he came over here, he testified before Congress in 2002 that we as a regional expert, that if we were to overthrow Saddam Hussein, democracy would sweep the region and there'd be all these positive reverberations. And then it goes, and you also got to overthrow the regime in Iran, and you also got to overthrow Mo -Mar Qaddafi. And like every single one of these things, we're not Iran yet, still pushing for that. But we went in over through Saddam Hussein. We went in over through Mo -Mar Qaddafi. And I don't know what swept the region, but it wasn't democracy.

1:08:42No, I remember in the early 2000s, when I realized there's two fighting factions of Islam, I was like, what? And that's Saddam Hussein, it actually kept that from boiling over because he was in control. Yeah, no, it's, I remember learning it too, right around the same time. You're like, you're telling me there are shirts and skins over there? They fight against each other. Like, what do they, do you know the difference between Sunni and Shia? I mean, I know that they're different sex of Islam, but like in terms of like the religion itself. Is it like the Catholics versus the Prophets? Yeah, I think it's something like that.

1:09:16Like it's always the people with the like most minor interpretations of their holy book differences who like go to war the most aggressively. You know what I mean? Like it's like Catholics and the Prophets. You know, like you agree on 95 % of this religion, but like whatever. If you didn't know about that conflict, you would never believe it's real. Like Christians go in a war with other Christians, like different sex, like brutal, horrible wars. Especially when you could like read about Jesus and you'd be like, this doesn't seem to be what he's saying at all, man. Like who's at the helm of this fucking battleship?

1:09:47It's unbelievable to me that any, and I'm not claiming to be any type of religious expert and I'm not a Christian, but it is unbelievable to me that anybody could be a Christian and could then like somehow do the mental gymnastics and rationalization to be like, and that's why you got to support every war. That's why we got to fight every single one of these wars because you know, just like that guy Jesus told us, slaughter women and babies. He's like, seems like the opposite of his message from my humble understanding of it. So the argument of that, if you want to take the argument, it would be like, you have to do that to protect everyone here.

1:10:23Yeah, I mean, that's the argument. Like we have to go to war with Iran, a country that doesn't have nuclear weapons or an air force capable of delivering them here. And it's so convenient that they're evil, so convenient that they torture students and they execute Olympic gold medalists in wrestling because they protested against the government. It's so convenient. Well, it's also like, you know, there's evil shit going on all over the world. It's terrible that there is, but isn't it interesting how like the next war, you know, like I was in, I did a debate at Princeton University a few months back against Josh Hammer, who's a editor at Newsweek.

1:11:09And we did like an Oxford style debate on whether the US should support Israel. And one of the things he said to me, so I was talking about like all this stuff, like the clean break strategy in the seven countries in five years. And he was like, oh, the war in Libya, that was a totally separate thing. Like that was like a liberal interventionist war. And I was like, well, sure is a coincidence that it was one of the seven countries. You know what I mean? Like what a wild coincidence. Kind of crazy. The government we decided to overthrow was the exact government that four star general Wesley Clark told me we were planning on overthrowing way before any of these claims about how good I fee, what the name is?

1:11:45Paul, the bulls, bulls, bulls, bulls. Libya wants wild when you see how good of a leader, he was obviously an evil dictator. No questions. An eccentric fellow. Yeah, definitely a piece of shit. However, for the people that lived there, they got no interest loans. They had incredible infrastructure. Their economy's doing well. They were at peace. I think it was one of the richest countries in Africa, which is, you know, grating on a curve, but still. Then a few years later, after we invade, it's where we helped people. We assisted. It becomes a failed state and they have slave auctions on YouTube.

1:12:22Yeah, that's right. I've heard it's recovered somewhat. Yeah, people reach out from Libya and tell me the tripple is actually not bad enough. It's doing better than it was. But also, and the other part of this is that this was a huge contributing factor to the migrant crisis in Europe. You know, like all these things do have like these domino effects where it is. So then Gaddafi also was kind of like not allowing that to happen. And then you had these huge numbers of refugees pouring into Europe, but not using the rise of them. But it seems like they're wanting them to pour in. I mean, this is where it gets really strange.

1:12:57You know, I had a conversation with someone about this. It didn't understand it. And we were going over civil unrest and how the use of civil unrest, one of the things that civil unrest does do really well is it makes people want to have measures to stop civil unrest that ultimately erode liberties. Yeah. It's a really good strategy. So if you want to take away peoples, guns, take away right to protest, take one of the best things to do is to release as many criminals as you can and flood your city with violence and crime. The more violence and crime you have, the more people will be freaked out, the more people will be freaked out, the more likely they are to give in to new measures of control.

1:13:38That's exactly right. Exactly. And you can do that worldwide. You can watch it. But also let's talk about Europe. Okay. In particular, let's talk about Germany. Let's just talk about the UK. What have they been doing? Besides letting in immense numbers of migrants, one thing they've been doing is arresting people for Facebook posts. They're arresting people for stepping out of line. So they're moving closer and closer to totalitarianism. And if you look at the numbers of people, you know, that have been arrested for just face, what if someone was someone just got arrested, pulled out of his house two o 'clock in the morning for a Facebook post saying that he didn't like the Palestinian flag.

1:14:20I mean, this is wild stuff. It's wild stuff and thousands of arrests. Not just if you're seeing Constantine Kissen talking to someone about this, and it was explaining, yeah, he was explaining like Russia in prison 400 people for posts on social media. That's crazy, right? How many think the UK did? And he's like, oh, I forgot. Yeah, it's like 4 ,000. And he's like, what? Yeah. Thousands of people are getting arrested in the UK. And you're only seeing some of them. You're seeing the people that are filming it at the time who have the wherewithal to grab a cell phone. There's a lot of people that just been by themselves that just got scooped up.

1:14:57What was it? I think it was 60 minutes. Did a piece where they had like three lawyers. They were sitting there and like, we're kind of like asking them like, so would this post be okay? Would this be okay? Could I say something? And they're like, well, posting it is actually much worse than just saying it. And I mean, like it is really creepy. It's really creepy. But you're so right, you're so spot on about this kind of like, this, this like one two punch of like destabilization. And then government coming in with the solution. It's a Harry Brown who was, he's deceased now, but he's a brilliant guy.

1:15:33He was like, he ran for president on the Libertarian Party in 96 and 2000. But he used to say the government breaks your leg and then offers you a crutch. And then like they convinced you to be thankful for the crutch. And you're like, man, if this government wasn't here, I wouldn't have a crutch. I'd be walking around on broken legs. But you see it where like, look, even if you just watch, I remember like during 2020 in when the George Floyd thing first happened and forget like whatever the autopsy, there was the one autopsy that said it was fettin' all that killed him, like leaving those, that all of that aside.

1:16:09Just when the video of that Derek Chauvin kneeling on this guy's neck who's on the ground and crying in pain and he's kind of smiling and then the guy dies. Everybody I know. I mean, it was so unified. I knew hardcore right wingers, you know. My Fox News watching father -in -law, I remember the day, I was at his house the day it happened and he goes, every one of those cops should be put in handcuffs on national television and he goes, they should all be charged with murder. Like, you know, that was like, you cannot do this. And then after the riots started in the summer, all those same people were like, send in the military.

1:16:47You know what? Like you just see how like someone could so quickly go from like, you know, we really need some police reform here. Like there is too much state power of policing. To then, after you see some riots, what are you asking for? Well, who's gonna stop that? Marshall Law? Yeah, we need the government to come in and crack down more police power than ever before. So you could see like, and that's just like a little scale. But you could see how much that, that demand and by the, and sometimes very understandably so, like in that example, very understandably so. Cause you're like, well, I don't know.

1:17:16Like I'm totally against like the over militarization of the police, but when you have these huge riots, it cross every major city in the country. You're like, well, I guess that's, this is the one time we have a reason to have that. And then by the way, of course, they don't do anything to stop it. We just let it go. It's all, the George Floyd one was fascinating because it wasn't a setup. It was just an organic moment where someone was filming some guy who had a guy lead. Now, was he on his neck or was he on his shoulder? Cause I keep hearing people online saying he was on his shoulder. Maybe, maybe that might be right.

1:17:53The thing is on the neck, you're really going to go out. You're going to go to sleep. You know, if the guy's really pressing your neck like that, you're going to like anybody who thinks that's not a big deal, get someone who knows how to put weight on the knee, leaning your neck. Okay, he's right on the neck. No question at all. Okay, that will put you to sleep for the most part. And that will definitely constrict your breathing. Depending upon how much weight he actually has on that neck and how strong George Floyd is, now imagine this guy's already fucked up. He already has an enlarged heart.

1:18:26He's on fentanyl. He's already fucked up. But would he have died without this happening? Well, from what I understand, there were two other sides. People want to say it was an overdose.

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1:21:30I was like, no dude, that guy's choking him. And if you don't think that guy's choking him, let me grab your neck like that. You don't think that's a choke? Yeah. Oh, because it's one arm? I put you to sleep with one arm. Yeah, that's, oh yeah. You could put some of the sleep. I'd like you. You have C fighters get put to sleep. Professional fighters get put to sleep. Oh, that's professional world champion, Sean Brady, choked out Leon Edwards for the most part with a one -armed guillotine. And Luke Rockold got a, it might be the same one. One -armed guillotine, Tito and T's got somebody with that.

1:22:00The one -armed guillotine is legit. That's legit. And anybody who's like, if anybody who like knows what they're doing, yeah, it was grappling anyone who doesn't know what they're doing, right? They could all one -armed choke you out. Yeah, they were saying, oh, he just restrained him. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no. When you restrained someone, you get their arms behind their back, you pin their weight down. You could just restrained the guy. If you were a good jujitsu practitioner, with your body weight, if you have a good, you're on top, he's face down. You put your hooks in, he's not going anywhere.

1:22:29You flatten them out, you underhook them, you pull his arms out, someone coughs them, you don't choke them, you don't have to choke them. The guy wasn't resisting at all. So that was another one, right? But these are real moments. These are organic moments. They're not setups, but boy, are they good at capitalizing on those fucking things? And then when you see public officials going with this swarm of narrative, the swarm of narrative was defund the police. Like, are you guys out of your fucking mind in the middle of these riots? You're gonna go against the police instead of going against the rioters?

1:23:00Or is it one bad cop? That bad cop should be prosecuted or something should happen. He should be, you know, if the guy died of an overdose, at the very least, what he's doing seems to be brutal. Yeah, and unnecessary, yeah, unnecessary and brutal. The guy's not resisting. You put your weight on his back. It's hard enough. It's so hard to get up if someone has their fucking knee on your back. It's so hard to get, especially if you're out of shape and you have an enlarged heart and you're on fentanyl. No, there's also seven cops around him. And he wasn't, I mean, I've watched the whole body cam footage.

1:23:33He was clearly fucked up and he was clearly, having like a massive panic attack. Yeah. But he wasn't like being like violent with the cops. He wasn't like a, he wasn't a threat for that many cops. The cops get so desensitized and you have so many experiences of one individual. This guy had a long criminal record. People that worked that area probably all knew him. Didn't Derek Chauvin and him work together somewhere? Yeah, I remember hearing that. Security, yeah, they were like, yeah, they were doing some security together. I think so. But yeah, so it's probably some get back involved in that knee on the neck.

1:24:14It's right, quite possibly. It's also one of those things where like it is, look, most of the time someone won't die. Right. If you do that, you know what it means? That's a lot of time. Yeah, exactly. But there is, most of the time someone's not filming. Yes, that's the big also true. And if the, if the body cam footage comes out, it's usually much later. So it's not kind of like as a media, but it's thing. Also, usually every single media outlet in the entire United States of America in the middle of a lockdown doesn't play the video on repeat all day every single day. Because it's that there was no reason.

1:24:47The thing about George Floyd, that was crazy, is that there was no reason for it to be a national story. And there was no reason for it to be a racial story. Like there wasn't really? Why don't you think there would be no reason for it to be a national story when a cop kills a guy for a false $20 bill? No, no, no, I shit. When I say that, okay, I'm not saying there's no like story there. I'm saying there wasn't, where a country of 330 million people, there are a number of these incidents that happen every year. Not like a crazy high number, but like there's, there's a few hundred of these every year.

1:25:20This one kind of seemed to get picked as like we're all gonna run with this right now. Because we got the full video. We got a four minute, like, let's say, I go back to Rodney King. It's the same thing. Yeah, I guess, okay, that is a fair point. The Rodney King one was a bit different. I mean, number one, the video element then was way crazier because it was, Nobody had ever seen a video. No one, there was a guy with a giant thing who happens to be on his balcony at the right time. And also, they beat the ever loving shit out of him. Like it was, yeah, I mean, they were just after he was down and saying they just kept going, kept going.

1:25:55But the other thing that I always thought was like, you kind of, the George Floyd thing, it's not like there was like any element in there where like they were calling him the N word or there was some type of like racial thing. Like it didn't ever seem to me that there was any reason to believe that like, had he been a giant white dude tweaking out on drugs, doing the exact same thing. It wouldn't have gone the exact same way. Right, but he wasn't. The thing is, it is a, is post Rodney King. It is a white guy on the neck of a black guy. But there was also a Asian cop and a black cop and they weren't doing the kneeling and they also got prosecuted.

1:26:33That's a fair point. That is a fair point. Didn't they get prosecuted? I, he got convicted of murder. I do not remember. I think the Asian cop got prosecuted as well. See, see what other cops got prosecuted? I think it's one of those things where you're supposed to step in and say, you gotta get off his back. I think that's totally reasonable. I mean, yeah, that's, you know, to be like, hey, listen, he is totally. The thing is like, I want to know, it was on his neck the whole time because I had heard that he was also, it was on his shoulder. And then, but that is on his neck. It's like, yeah, that is that part.

1:27:05I had to go watch that horrible video over again. And I don't want to do that. I was, yeah, it's dark. Today I was watching some horrible videos today from Gaza. This guy carrying around a headless baby, showing what happened to his child is just so fucked. Another guy was holding a child's arm in his hand. Dude, it is so, I mean, like the level, the level of evil that this shit is. I mean, you see, I know you've seen, you see the drone videos, like the aerial footage. Yeah. Because it's gone. It's gone. They fucking destroyed the whole goddamn place. I saw one, it's hard to believe. I saw one estimate said that it was 90 % of the population has been, what's the world I'm looking for?

1:27:48That they've been displaced? Displaced. Yeah, that they have 90 % of them are going to have 10 % to answer. Yeah, I know it's still there. I'm good. Find that guy and train him. That's your rainbow. But it is a, what is this, Jamie? Three of the cops were fun guilty of violating his rights and one other one got, pled guilty to aiding in a bedding second degree merman slaughter. Yeah, that was the Asian guy. You got three and a half years. Jesus. All right. You're a cop. You kind of have a responsibility to stop that. And then there's also the level of fentanyl. We've discussed this, right? Because people keep saying that he died of a fentanyl overdose.

1:28:25But I don't believe the level of fentanyl in his body was enough to give him an overdose. For the, you know, you know, what, how LD50 rates work? You know, that works. No, I lethal dose for 50 % of the population. That's how they determine what they're going to do. So the problem is, you know, you get 100 people, give them all the way to the right. All the same amount of stuff. 50 of them are going to die. 50 of them are going to live. So that's how you find what the LD50 of a drug is. So when you have something like fentanyl, this is the guy's like a inveterate fentanyl user. You know, he probably has a very high tolerance to opiates.

1:28:58You know, and I don't, and he's huge. He's a big dude. He's a big dude. He was obviously dying from drug abuse. He had an enlarged heart. He was fucked up, you know, and the levels though, when they, were like at the threshold, not the official autopsy, but this is the doctor that did one of them, I think, and he said here, I don't know if you can read that, but. Yeah, a nanogram, a fentanyl 11 nanogram, so does the leader. This is the, this is higher than chronic pain patient. If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be accepted. Call on overdose deaths have been certified.

1:29:41I don't know what that says. Level of three, so level of three, he was at 11. So deaths have been certified at a level of three. Nanograms per desoleter, he was at 11, nanograms per desoleter. I am not saying this killed him, fentanyl metabolite for AMPP. I think this is non -commercial metameth, 19, oh, he had meth too. 19 nanograms per desoleter, this is relatively low. Relatively low. That's bad for your heart. But meth's bad for your heart from video of seeing it appears like his knee is on the side of the neck, not where the structures are. That doesn't mean anything. That's silly. That's a person who's never been choked.

1:30:32You shut your mouth. Shut your mouth, doctor. Let me lead on your neck, bitch. Breathe deep. What are you talking about? That's so crazy. That's not gonna crush his windpipe. What are you talking about? No, that just seems ridiculous. That's so stupid. He crushes everything. If I got on your neck here, you're not doing nothing. There's none of this is gonna work. Look, when you have a big neck, you can die from your tongue. You know that people die of sleep apnea, like football players. Big old, sick, no, their tongue closes over the back of their mouth, because they have so much neck tissue that their earhold gets smaller.

1:31:07Now, I want you to imagine someone compressing that neck tissue with 210 pounds of body weight, all positioned on their knee. Yeah. Bro, you can put someone to sleep that way. Like they'll die. If you hold onto it, they'll die. It's indefensible. And it's crazy. And I think the country had kind of like the appropriate reaction to it. But then they're trying to say that cops can't use chokeholds anymore. Well, that's crazy too. Because you should be able to, if you're a cop, you got to be able to choke people. Like if you get some wild, methed up fucking dude and he's attacking cops and he's got his shirt off and fucking swastik is on his chest.

1:31:45And you want to strangle that guy. Put him away. Put him asleep. Then you can cough him. You can do that. Get a sleep. In fact, it might be, it might be the much safer way to then like, tasing someone and then where they stiffen up and just fall over. If he just choked George Floyd out and then cuffed him. Yeah. That would be way better for everybody. Like a real simple five second rear naked choke. He goes asleep temporarily. You cough him. He wakes up. None of the traumatists neck. None of that shit. None of the four minutes, whatever it was seconds. No nationwide riots. No nationwide riots.

1:32:21It's really simple. Maybe they would have been for a different reason. It just did you jits who move and then you cough him. And you know, but man, being a cop is the most fucking thankless psychotic job in this country. And every day they pull up the cars and they worry that they're going to get shot. Everybody's seen videos of cops. They pull up the fuck intended windows and they get blasted. Yeah, I just saw one today. There's so many of them. And it was, it was great. The one I saw today too was one where like, there was almost no tell. Like it was, they had this stop and they were just like, hey, you know, buddy, is this your car?

1:32:54He's like, yeah, that's my car. He seemed totally cool. And they're just like, okay, license and registration. He goes, I actually don't have my license on me. And he goes, you're driving without a license. All right. So I'm going to have to ask you to step out and then just comes out boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, shoot in at him and shoots one of the cops. The other one gets behind the cars. They're shooting back. It's like, yeah, no, listen, I get that's got to be a crazy thing to, you know, it's like, I remember here in a baseball player say once there he was like, he goes the toughest thing about being like in the outfield is that like every, if you think about the game like every single pitch, you got to immediately like be like, oh, is it coming to me?

1:33:31Right. And then it's just like not, not, not, not, not, not, not. Is, you know, you got to like be ready for that one time where like it is coming to you. And I imagine there's something like that with a cops which is like every routine traffic stop. You got to be a little bit concerned about that. On the other hand, that is the job. And there are expectations when you're, you know, if your salary is paid by the people's taxes and like, the standard has to be probably the same thing I think the standard for fighting wars should be the standard to just always be do you absolutely have to do this.

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1:36:51He gets to sell these loose he cigarettes. It's hurting this guy's business and maybe he's asked him to leave and he hasn't. We're talking about selling loose cigarettes outside of a store. You just don't need to bring this level of violence, you know, to the to for this situation. And you know, it's one of the things like, I know I thought you were talking about the other day with the Trump deportation stuff where there's like this very it's an interesting moment that we're in right now because you have if you remember in Trump's first term, this was one of the biggest kind of like controversies that he he lost a lot of public support over was the kids and cages.

1:37:34And okay, now they, you know, they always put kids. Yeah, it's easy. They were built under the Obama administration. It was kind of bullshit. They took some pictures of a kid crying that didn't wasn't even really about the Trump deportations like, you know, the media lies. That's what they do. But there is something about, you know, like in the in the civil rights movement, you know, Martin Luther King and those guys, they picked Birmingham, Alabama. Like they knew what they were doing. And they were, they knew that they were going to get this reaction. And that then it could be on TV. And they almost forced the American people to watch these young black men and suits and ties have firehoses and dogs sick on them.

1:38:16And even for the 1960s American person who may be Harvard, like some significant degree of prejudice, even for them, just seeing that was like, Oh, Jesus, like, I can't support that. You know what I mean? And there is something with, you know, the, the US has had just an insane immigration policy. It's really since 1965. But I mean, the Biden immigration, it was the just like the most insane policy. Joe Biden seems to me like his, at least part of his legacy is he moved the country further right on immigration than you could have imagined. Is not super majorities of the American people support mass deportations.

1:39:03But just like there's a difference between being a little bit racist against black people and being able to watch, you know, cops on leash German shepherds on black dudes and suits and ties, it's one thing to kind of believe. I think the people who are here illegally got to go back. It's another thing to like watch it unfold and see what type of and I'll just say this like on the theme of what I was saying, like earlier about the signal stuff, you know, there were so many efforts to like sabotage Donald Trump's first presidency. In this moment, if you really want to see mass deportations, which by the way, we're not seeing, but if you really want to see that as most Americans do, you've finally won the argument.

1:39:42You finally won the day. You've now got super majorities of the American people on your side and you've elected a president that this is his signature issue. The last thing you would want to do is go round up 234 of them with no due process and send them to the most notorious brutal prison in El Salvador and get some of them wrong. Like what the fuck are you thinking and get some of them wrong? Yeah. And that's in the thing is you're saying there have been mass deportations. What do you mean by that? I mean, I mean, in large numbers, like they have been there have been deportations. They've already kind of slowed down.

1:40:14But we have tens of millions of illegal immigrants in the country. Right. But that's not the what they're looking for, what they're looking for is the criminals. And here's the allegedly, right? This is what we're hoping. But here's a problem that bothers me. Quotes. I had a friend who was a cop who would tell me about quotas for speeding tickets back when they weren't supposed to tell people about that. They have quotas. Right. And I said, so it's basically like being a glorified revenue collector. He's like, pretty much, pretty much is if I'm not writing tickets, you know, it's it's going to come down on me.

1:40:46Like imagine a day where everybody made a decision like for the next 60 days collectively as a country, no one's going to violate any traffic laws. Everyone's going to stop to a complete halt at every stop sign. No one's going to go a mile an hour above the speed limit. What happens? What do these cops do? Have you have quotas? So you're assuming that people will always break the law forever. And if they don't do you adjust, do you fire the cops? Do you cut your budget? What do you do? Do you remember when this happened in New York City? It was over a decade ago, there was a they had this like unofficial official police like slow down where they were they were upset about.

1:41:29I can't remember the exact story, but it was the head of the police union said that he was like, we will only be enforcing like violent crimes. It was not doing this other. Yes, it was over the stop and frisk controversy. And they're kind of like, oh, you guys want to all call his reason, which already I thought was so hilarious. I used to have a joke in my act about this many years ago, but where it was just like, that was the threat from cops was like, we're only going to arrest violent criminals. You know, that's probably what you should be doing to begin with. And so then like all these and everything was fine, by the way, there wasn't a rise in violent crime.

1:42:01It was just they just stopped doing it. But revenue started collapsing. And then they like whipped the cops into getting back to it. Like they were like threatened their pensions and shit. And they were like, yo, you cannot do this. We have that. You got to keep policing for profit. Isn't that crazy? Policing for profit? It's crazy. It's crazy that they write tickets. Like tickets are kind of nuts. You know, it's like you have to give us money because you went too fast. Well, I've always that's the incentive that everybody, everyone agrees is going to work. Got another ticket. Yeah. Fuck. I always thought like, um, would you stop speed?

1:42:36No, I'm going to rate our detector. Yeah. Well, right. People find a way. I always thought there was something really unfair. Um, that some, I've heard some progressives talk about this, but it never seemed to like get that much traction. But there is something about like giving a ticket that's like, um, you know, what it just seems so regressive in terms of like, uh, like it's so much more punitive toward poor people and working class people. Oh yeah. Then it is toward the well, and it's the same number for all of that. You know what I mean? Like there's some. Don't get the idea. No, I'm not giving rich people.

1:43:09I know. This is the way the, this is the problem is that progressives that will take that and go, Oh, okay. So that means up it on the rich people is like, no, that's not what I'm saying. Tax the rich. But like, you know, man, you hand out a $75 ticket to somebody who's making like $400 a week. And you're like, Jesus Christ, dude, like that is devastating to that person. Yeah. Whereas like you hand out a $75 ticket to like a rich person. It's kind of like, okay. Yeah. That's a reasonable punishment for that. I mean, you know, anyway, listen, I'm not advocating like I'm not a, uh, uh, I don't care about equity.

1:43:42But no, that's not a good idea. But it is a strange thing that there are revenue collectors who are also peace officers. Like it seems like that should be a completely different thing. Yeah. It seems like cops shouldn't be pulling people over because your fucking tail lights out. That seems silly. That seems like a totally different proposition. Yep. Yeah. No, I completely agree. The problem is they pull people over for doing stupid shit and a large percent of them are carrying drugs. A lot of them are fucking bricks in the back of their car. That's the craziest thing about guys who are trafficking drugs.

1:44:15They're trafficking like fucking 30 pounds of fentanyl and they get pulled over his feet. For some speech that yeah, or something like that. Oh, dude. They're cooked up and they're fucking driving fast and they got a trunk full of fucking illegal guns and cocaine and meth and why aren't you going so slow and cautious? Why aren't you using a blinker? You should be listening to country music on your radio. You got meth to get someone. You should have a fucking cat diesel hat on. You should be nice and calm and slow. You're a regular guy just going about your day. By definition, these people aren't making the wisest decisions.

1:44:53No. Probably. So you get to drive your fucking car filled with meth. You got to get a crazy job. It's not as easy as you'd think. You really got to, you can't and you can't just put a Craigslist ad up or whatever. I'm sure you got to go through some sketchy channels. And now with Tom Homan guy, Senator Brady Cross the border, you can't even get the Mexicans do it on the market. Jesus. I mean, that guy is, it is funny. We're like, I get where he's kind of like the guy you'd want. If you're like, we're a heart, we got to, we need a hard ass in here to do this. But when you do start getting these concerns about due process, I mean, his response, they was in some interview where they were asking them about due process for the people he's deporting and he's like, what's the girl?

1:45:32Where was it good due process for Lincoln Riley? For Lincoln Riley. Where was the due process for her? And you're like, yeah, but dude, that's not what due process means. You got to be sure. Murder victims don't get due process. That's why it's illegal to murder somebody. And even by the way, in that case, her killer got due process and then got convicted of murder. You know what I mean? Like that's the whole point. And there's just again, like I was saying, it seems there's a few moves that the Trump administration has as made so far. And I don't know who is in his ear and who is convinced him to pursue this policy.

1:46:05But like again, if you wanted to pursue like mass deportations, which I understand, I think there's a strong case. I mean, look, he's done a great job of stopping the flow, which was job number one. And that was his best line at his state of the union, where it was like Democrats kept saying we needed legislation to close the border turns out we just needed a new president, which is shockingly true. Like it is unbelievable how it went from record high border crossings under Biden to record low border crossings over Donald Trump. And I do think that so much of that is just that it's a real difficult journey.

1:46:36And if people feel like, oh, Trump's in there, obviously we're not going to be allowed in. And they just won't go through it. I also do think that Donald Trump is fundamentally correct with his idea that like, you don't have a nation if you don't have borders. Like you can't listen to the idea at least. I'm not saying this is really how it works. But the idea is that we're a free country because we have self government. And in other words, the American people get to decide how many people we bring in here and how many we don't. And that it's at this point, nobody actually knows the number for sure.

1:47:08But it is north of 30 million illegal immigrants in the country. But my god, if you wanted to wait to start deporting people who are legal residents, who are not violent criminals, because they wrote a pro -Palestinian op ed, you're diving into the most contentious issue and then picking one side of that. And then like, this just seems like it's almost as if you're trying to poison the possibility to ever really have mass deportations. It just seems so counterproductive by his own stated goals. And there's so many layers of it that are hard to unpack for the average person. What's really hard to unpack, especially for like tried and true blue no matter who Democrats is this idea that they were bringing people into this country moving them into swing states, getting them on social security, giving them money and incentives and all sorts of government programs that would get them eventually to be voters.

1:48:06And these voters would vote for that party and you'd have a unit party. So in that sense, that's the big one that a lot of people that are left -wing people have a really hard time swallowing. They don't believe that's true. And they'll take what about when Texas sent those people up to New York, the governor of Texas sent people to New York, right? But do you know that New York's not a swing state? Yeah, he did that. But why did he do that? He did that. It is a big fuck you to New York for the government to turning a blind eye to the problem at the border and saying, okay, you think this isn't a problem?

1:48:38I'm going to send this problem to you. It was a sanctuary city. Yeah, yeah. You have a sanctuary city. Oh, that's cute. I'll send you thousands and thousands of people that you're going to have to take care of now. And they did. And then that's even weirder because then they took over fucking luxury hotels and they had a deal with it. I think it was a Pakistan owns one of those hotels. Oh, is that right? I don't know that. Who owns the big one that was in that fucking Jennifer Lopez movie, where she was a hot maid? Remember that movie? Made in Manhattan. I never saw it. But I vaguely remember.

1:49:10I'm the reason my family is supposed to ridiculous thing. She's like 10. She's just like this poor little sad maid. Pakistan International Airlines has owned the structure. They own the Roosevelt. So the Roosevelt is an iconic hotel in New York City and they get paid by the federal government or they did get paid by the federal government to house immigration immigrants there. And they give them food and they give them money. They give them and like, what are you doing? Like if you're allowing these people to vote in regional elections, okay? You've essentially now you've you've bought regional elections.

1:49:44And if you want them to eventually become United States citizens and give them a pathway to citizenship, which all good people would want Dave Smith. Okay. Now you have voters. And if you do that in mass, which they did, they brought people in this, they invited people, helped people, the Red Cross was like giving them maps like this is how you do it. They had stops along the way. We give them water and walk right through when everybody just gets to be on a bus and you get shipped off to swing states. That literally happened. And people on the left do not want to address it. They want to deny it.

1:50:16It was an attempt to take over. Yeah. And look, I'll say I just I know this because I'm like, you know, this is I guess that one of the benefits of like getting older and paying attention to this shit is like I can remember shit from 15 20 years ago. Like I was paying attention then. And I remember all of them admitting this was their plan. Yeah. Like literally all of joy read and Rachel Maddo and all they used to call it the Browning of America. And they used to openly brag about how the Democrat will have super permanent majorities forever. Because look like hey, you old dying white Republicans like sorry, that's it for you.

1:50:53Cause the Latinos vote overwhelmingly for Democrat. And we're going to be a majority minority country. And then a majority Hispanic country. And then the Democrats rule the day forever. So this is just, you know, Mitt Romney or whoever's running for president right now. This is the dying throws of the end of a, but then when people started objecting to that policy and they they called it the Browning of America. And then when people objected to it, they would call it the great replacement or whatever. And then they'd go, you're allowed to say that. That means you're a Nazi. And you're like, but I just heard you saying it.

1:51:24Like five years ago, I heard you say I can't use the term replaced. Yeah. And it was and so there was this weird. And then there was also the one of the other big tells of this was the way they attempted, which really failed. But the way they attempted to make voter ID like a toxic racist policy, which was so, I mean, the logic of it just collapses on itself. Because if it's first of all, it seems like some bigotry of low expectations to imply that black people are like, just can't figure out how to get ID. Do you remember Kathy Holtchell saying that they don't know what computers are? Yeah. Hey, hey, that's right.

1:52:01Yeah. Do you remember that? I think you said that guy fucking human being has a computer in their pocket. Dude, what was the black dude who made that video? It was the funniest guy. Yeah, I think you sent it to me. But he was like, there was like a computer. And he comes up like that's like around it. And he's like trying to like try to bite it and stuff. It was so goddamn funny. Where you're like, that's literally what you're saying. I don't know. And it's like spliced like on the left side of it is her explaining that black people don't look at it. These black inner city kids, they don't know what a computer is.

1:52:31Well, but then I mean, like just, you know, just like using the most basic logic, you'd be like, okay, wait a minute. But like, so if requiring ID is racist, then like we got some other really big problems in this country that we should be looking at like that. Well, not only that, but it's in the direct memory, the recent memory of everybody needing ID because you had to prove that you got the COVID vaccine right? Right. Yeah. Which then and then that was fine. Somehow that and when that by the way, disproportionately affected minorities. Yeah. No one seemed no progressive seem to care about that.

1:52:59No, it was overwhelmingly black people wildly disproportionately black people and immigrants who just refuse the vaccine. By the way, let the record show they were smarter than everybody else who were doing it. You know, who else? Me and you PhDs. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That is an interesting detail. Is it overwhelming? Like that? Well, mnly skeptical about this new vaccine. And here me and you got called out by Anthony Fauci and Joe Biden for fucking being right for being absolutely right. It's so wild too that that was only three years ago or four years ago when you said that your advice to young people was to just be really healthy.

1:53:37And that was like a national controversy. Yeah. But you just like, I mean, you just think about how upside down it was also people doing the man's job for the man. It was everybody piled on like everybody. And especially once you got the shot yourself, you're like, I did the right thing because you knew it was risky. You fucking know. On some level too. Absolutely. It's medication. Anytime you get medication, you know, it's risky. Anytime you get some pharmaceutical drug in your system, not to mention some completely novel new way where it turns your entire body into a vaccine or an immunity producing spike protein factory.

1:54:17The, by the way, which is the most toxic aspect of getting the disease is the spike protein. So your body's going to produce it itself. What? PhDs were like, I don't know. And it was also way past, way, way past the point where we had already figured out that like if you weren't very old and very sick, this was you statistically had almost no chance of like a serious one. And we had very long ago realized it wasn't a threat at all to kids. So there was no justification whatsoever to force kids to get vaccinated. And yet we did it in California did it. They did it to schools. They did it everywhere.

1:54:56And the fact that they pulled that off and then a couple of years later, they're like, you know, I mean, loud to show ID. You're not allowed to show ID. So like, come on. I mean, listen, obviously this is and like there's a reason for all of this. It's not they didn't just pick showing your ID voting and decide to make this the issue that they harped on and tried to pretend you were somehow racist or you were somehow infringing on voting rights by requiring an ID. And so look like they're this did a couple of things happen. Number one, it totally turned public opinion against this level of crazy immigration.

1:55:42And number two, I mean, Donald Trump ended up winning a bigger percentage of the Latino vote than I believe any Republican in my life, which is really, I mean, especially after Tony Angecliffe, that's pretty wild. I think Tony Angecliffe, you might have gotten a more votes. No one takes a joke better than Puerto Ricans. By the way, there is something really funny about that where, and this has been a theme for years in the country, but real Tony was a great example of that. But we're like, you know, for all their talk about diversity and anti -racism and all of this, what they always seem to do is try to impose white lady values on minorities.

1:56:28You know what I mean? Like just imagine, you know, who's a great way to put it? It's always white lady values. It's always, you know, who's really offended by a joke? As we both know, Joe, is professional comedians for many years. You know, black people just get very offended by jokes. No, they fucking don't. That's white women. That's white women shit. That's not Latinos or African Americans. They are, they're the ones who take a joke the best. Especially a good joke. Oh, yeah, but also like the more offensive the better. They love that shit. I mean, by and large, like there's exceptions. There's exceptions for sure, but Puerto Ricans are known.

1:57:04Like, if you grow up around Puerto Ricans, they're fun and they talk a lot of shit. Yes, it's part of the culture. So it's like you're trying to, you know, there's something about it that was always like, it's always the liberal push for diversity is always like we want different shades of people in our culture. Right. You know what I mean? Like it was never like there was never a thing where it's like, oh, we're going to go into the hood and we're going to adopt your culture. Like that's not what we're talking about. Which is why they hate black Republicans. Yep. That's a big part of it. That's a problem.

1:57:38They go after black Republicans so hard. Even the harder I think then they go after a lot of white Republicans. Oh, in some cases, much more viciously. Yeah. I mean, and I think by, you know, we talked about Candace Owens before that's part of what her freaking, you know, boot camp before pissing off all the Israeli supporters was that she's already been through the fire. Yeah. She's been an outspoken black female conservative. And that's like they really hate that because they do kind of view you as like, which is fucked up in a way, but it really is kind of like your they decided that they're the champion of women and black people.

1:58:15And therefore, if you're a black woman, it's your responsibility to support these liberal white women. And she used to. That's the thing about Candace. Right. She went from she went from being a very young. She was liberal. And then she was also a hardcore Zionist at one point, like very big supporter of Israel and then changed her mind on that. But it is, you know, there is a viciousness with which those people get attacked. I do think, and I still I think I said this the last time we were on the last time I was on, but I still do think that in many ways, that's the best part of Donald Trump winning again is just the cultural phenomenon of it where it does seem like there's been a big rejection of all of that shit.

1:58:57You know, I had a I had dinner with with Darrell last night, with Darrell Cooper and Darrell Cooper and Scott Horton. And we were talking a little bit about this, but like what happened first of all, I love the record show for both good and bad. I was promoting Darrell Cooper before everybody else was I was the first guy. Not even the first, but I was like, this guy's podcast is amazing. And it really, really is. But there was something so interesting about like his Tucker appearance, the backlash against it, the fact that it did absolutely nothing to harm him and his podcast just shot up on all the charts.

1:59:35And now more people than ever are listening to his stuff. Like there, there is like, and I do, I've seen a lot of this and I've gotten into some arguments with some like Constantine Kassin. I've argued with him about this. I respect him very much. I like him a lot of things very smart. But there are like, there are these woke tactics now that are being used by many people who have been opposing wokeism for a very long time. And I think it's interesting how much people have woken up to that. No pun intended. But how much people like kind of recognize that now. And that stuff has just been rejected.

2:00:09And even like on the most basic level, the thing, first of all, the fact that there was such an outrage for what Darrell Cooper said on Tucker Carlson's podcast already proves the point. It already proves the point that you're like, yeah, this is insane. This is insane that this like, you're not even, you can't even like have a conversation about these things without this massive pile on this. Not really that these pejoratives that get yes, is stuck on him that got stuck on me for platforming him. I read Joe Rogan had a Nazi apologist and Holocaust denier. Well, or skeptic. I think they said Holocaust skeptic.

2:00:48I forget what term they use. But none of those things are true. And none of them, I mean, he's got this big, I'm very excited for it. But he's putting together this big piece on World War II. And like, none of them are going to come back and go, oh, yeah, I got it wrong. I apologize. No, they're not doing that at all. They were. They would have listened to fear and loathing in the new Jerusalem. Well, I said this, do I said this to Constantin when we were arguing about it on Twitter? And I go, listen, dude, I go, listen, just take, I called it my non -woke challenge. I go take my non -woke challenge.

2:01:15Okay. All it takes is an hour of your time. Listen to the first 30 minutes of fear and loathing in the new Jerusalem. And then listen to the 30 minutes in the like, he put out another piece after it. I forget the title of it, but it took from the history where fear and loathing left off up to like the 80s. And there was a, it started like around, or maybe it was part of fear and loathing. But anyway, he had a half hour chunk that was on the Jews suffering in World War II. And I was like, so listen to these two half hours. And you tell me if it is conceivably possible that a Jew hating Nazi sympathizer could have ever put this out, because it's impossible.

2:01:51Like it can't. And he goes, I have listened to it. And I was like, oh, then we can't talk anymore, Matt. I mean, not in general, but I was like, we can't talk about this anymore. I think there's something almost more simple that was like, look, if you listen to what Darryl said on Tucker's podcast, he essentially goes, he goes, you know, I say this sometimes to get a rise out of my buddy. It was like an Anglo -Saxon. And I'm kind of being hyperbolic when I say it, but I kind of say it to prod. But in some ways, I think Churchill was the real villain of the war. Now, he didn't commit the most atrocities.

2:02:22I'm not saying he was the worst person there, but I think he's primarily responsible for this not being maybe like a little conflict in Poland and turning into like the big bloodbath that it did. Okay. Say whatever you will about that. There's a fair argument to be there. I tend to think Darryl's right. But maybe he's not. But every single person who repeated that would go, he said Churchill was the was the real villain. And you're like, you know what, dude, we're not doing that anymore. Like we're just we're not very fine people on both sides and this whole thing. Like come on, dude. No, that's not what he fucking said.

2:02:55And you could take out all that other condo. But any honest person looking at that just goes like, no, that's not what he said. And, you know, in and I was on Pierce Morgan show one more shout out to Pierce, but even when he played the clip, he cut out all that context and just played the part where he says the real villain or was was Churchill. And you're like, I think people have after so many years of this being the constant tactic to like like it's like there's a there's a giant rejection of that. And I think that's really good. I think a lot of that has to do with Trump winning again. I mean, there's other factors involved too.

2:03:30But I do just think it's like these woke tactics of like where you call everyone who disagrees with you a racist or a bigot or this is just not like we're not playing that game anymore or at least it seems like most people aren't playing that anymore. Yeah, it's not going to work anymore. And the people that are that have their minds made up that have just knee jerk reaction are going to decide someone's a Nazi or someone's a Hitler apologist. They're not looking into it at all anyway. They they have this cursory examination of the headline good enough. I'm going to run with it. I'm going to argue with it.

2:04:02There's always going to be people like that. But the majority of people are like, what is this all about? What did he actually say? Well, let me listen to a show and then the show shoots up to number one. Yeah. You know, when it shot up to number one again after he was on my podcast, the same kind of thing. It's like it's a fucking great show. It's a great show. And it's not just great about Israel. It's not just great about World War Two. His fucking thing on Jim Jones is insane. Not so good. It's so good. It's so insane. And he does that with everything. And he has empathy and compassion and a general like a general desire to empathize and see how someone could join this cult.

2:04:44How Jim Jones could turn from this guy who was a civil rights leader. Yeah. He was a civil rights leader in 1950s. I mean, this guy was living in a time where he had adopted a black child and was persecuted all throughout town because of it. It was genuinely like a real Christian. Then he's hopped up on meth. He's out of his fucking mind. Now he's in Karyana. And he's got a whole group of people with him. He talks him all in the killing themselves. And the ones who don't think he kills him. And yeah, it's a crazy tragedy. But what Darryl Cooper does is long form editorial. Like you have to look at it from an editorial aspect because it's it's opinion, but it's also information that he's citing his sources.

2:05:31And he's like put yourself in these people's shoes, which is what he does. Which is essentially his only like demand. Yeah. It's through all of his work. His only demand is like, listen, you have to, if you're going to listen to my wife, you have to do your absolute best to put yourself in these person's shoes and then put yourself in the other side shoes. Fear and loathing in New Jerusalem starts out with Jews being persecuted. Imagine these people are your neighbors. And he brings you through this horrific scenario that absolutely did happen to some of the people there. And you don't it's it's cool.

2:06:03The way I mean, I don't let it spoil or alert or whatever. It's just the beginning, but it's so good. But like you almost don't know what he's talking about it. First like, is this a Palestinian getting fucked over? Is this a, because the story's about you know going in. This is going to be about the creation of the state of Israel or whatever. But then you realize like, Oh, no, this is a Jew in Eastern Europe going through a program. And I will say this, right? As somebody who is fairly well read on the subject compared to like the layman, not compared to Darrell Cooper, there's levels to this shit.

2:06:32It's like, I used to think Rich Franklin was the best striker in the world. And then Anderson Silva thought him and you're like, Oh, okay, he is not. But Rich Franklin was great. But Anderson Silva was amazing. But listening to that series, it made me much more sympathetic to the Israelis if I'm being honest. And I know I've heard that from other people too. But it does because Darrell insists on doing that. Like look, it's real. It's easy. Now I'm not saying I'm not saying this is an excuse for anything. Like the the Nakba in 1947, 1948 is horrible. It's a giant ethnic cleansing campaign. You know?

2:07:04Okay. But if you do put this into context, you know, like the years 1947, okay? First of all, just think about like even the attitudes of 1947 that you know of like, you know, just in terms of racism and things like that, like very different attitudes in 1947. Also, your two years removed from the end of World War II, where the quote, good guys in the story are the winners in the story are like like Truman, who just fire bomb Tokyo dropped two nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the bombing of Dresden, the bombing of Berlin. Joseph Stalin is in the process as this is happening, as this is happening, of ethnically cleansing millions of ethnic Germans all throughout Eastern Europe.

2:07:56This is only a couple years after Stalin's army raped their way through Europe. You know what I mean? And then of course, there's the atrocities of the Nazis and you're the Jewish people who just went through this holocaust and all of this is in the background and you're going to say, you tell me we can't move a few hundred thousand people off their land to create our new state. Like who's going to fucking morally lecture us about doing this little thing here? You know, I'm not saying any of that excuses it and it wasn't the Palestinians fault that any of that happened. And so like you, but like it is worthwhile.

2:08:25Like that's what doing history should be, right? It should be like understanding that these were real human beings. These aren't cartoon monsters. There was a they may have done monstrous shit, but like there was something, you know, going on there and there was kind of like, you know, it's I think it's just beneficial to understand all of that stuff. And you know, Monachem Began, who is like the worst, I mean, like was a straight up terrorist. I mean, and in that series, if you remember, he talks a lot about like the evil shit that Monachem Began and the Ergon and the Starn Gang and the Hagenaut, all the shit they did.

2:09:03They were just straight up terrorists. That's what they were doing. Terrorism in order to drive out and occupy force, you can't make this shit up is what led to the creation of Israel. And now they're like, you know, now universally regarded as terrorist groups. Oh, you're self admitted terrorist groups. Like we're committing acts of terrorists. There were debates about whether we should embrace terrorism or not. And the side saying we should embrace terrorism won the day. This is how high whitesmen he was supposed to be the David Ben Gourian. He was the number one ranked Zionist at the time. And he stood up and was like, yeah, we can't do this.

2:09:36We can't embrace terrorism. Like his thing was like, we can't achieve a Jewish state by un -Jewish means and which he considered terrorism to be like this violates our religion. We can't do this. But even him, there was this one point, which I had never heard before, but I learned it from Darryl Cooper series. I think it was one of the things that stuck with me the most was that if you remember, it's right toward the end. It's when they're doing the King David hotel bombing and they're doing all this terrorism to try to drive the British out. And at one point, the British caught a few of the, I can't remember if it was from the Ergon or the Lehigh, but it was from one of those two militias.

2:10:16And they caught a few of their guys and they like publicly flogged them or something like that. And then Minakim Began and his terrorist boys, they got a few of like the British soldiers and they fucking flogged the shit out of them and then killed them and then booby trapped the bodies so that it fucking blew up more people when they came to try to get it back. And then now he's a wanted man at this time, Minakim Began, so he's like living underground. And so he then he did like a radio address. And then his radio address, he was like, he said something like he was like, hey, just so you know, Jews don't get flogged anymore.

2:10:50We do the flogging now. And look, this guy was a bad guy. He was a fucking terrorist. But there is something so badass about that that there is a party that's just like, woo, like you, you can kind of understand a people going through this fucking collective struggle and then getting to a point where they're like, we will be the ones inflicting struggle from now on. Not the ones receiving it. And I, you know, look, I still come out on the side that I think Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is horrible and inexcusable. And I favor a two -state solution. I think America should stop funding Israel.

2:11:23But I think it's nothing but beneficial to kind of like understand that perspective a little bit more. And even though I kind of grew up on the pro Israel propaganda and then ultimately rejected it, that was Darrell's effect on me was being like, ah, you know, there is like, I'm seeing the humanity in the Israeli side a little bit more. Yes. So give me a fucking break about these people saying like he's some fucking neo -Nazi drumming up Jew hatred. It's not true. Yeah. They just, they just have established boundaries of what you're allowed to talk about. Yeah. That's exactly right. Yeah. And there's, there's, you know, there's narratives that can't be breached.

2:11:59You have to, you have to follow it to a T and that's it. That's it. And anything else, your anti -Samite. And he, you know, he's labeled all over the place. I'm sure his Wikipedia calls him that. I'm sure it. I mean, it's just, there's so many people that have really irresponsibly done that and defamed him. And it's, it's fucked up. But ultimately, it doesn't work. It just makes him bigger. I, I 100 % agree. And then I also think that it's, um, it's almost like, it's very obvious, I think if you're looking at it with clear eyes, that it's like, look, like, okay, look, look, I'm Jewish and I don't wish to see a rise in people hating Jewish people like that.

2:12:39Obviously, I'd be opposed to that. But you're going to, you're, if you're going to say that anybody who criticizes the government of Israel or anybody who criticizes the Israeli lobby and the, um, unbelievable influence that that has over the hour, our government. And you're going to label all of them as anti -Samites. Like, all right. I would think that it would be wiser to at least be thankful that there are people who are not Jew haters who are pointing this out, rather than just leaving it to all the Jew haters to be the only ones who are pointing this out. Like, you know, it's like, you think Darryl Cooper is, like, okay, like, what's your goal here to shut him down?

2:13:20Who do you think's going to replace him? You better hope that there are going to be as thoughtful and responsible as he is. And there probably won't be. Not too many people are. But that's how it always is, right? I mean, this is, this is the, the problem with suppression. The problem with, I mean, it's, it's essentially a version of the same problem of creating terrorists. You attack because you think you're going to stop the terrorism. You just create more terrorism. Yeah. You know, you think you're going to stop the people from expanding the narrative and, and talking outside of these borders that you've clearly established for how people are able to discuss certain sensitive topics.

2:13:55No, you're not. You're not going to do that. You're just going to make people realize that there's a third rail and they don't understand why there's a third rail, then they start looking into it and they go, oh, how much influence does this rail have on our country? And then they start asking those kind of questions. And, and this gives way to the rise of anti -semitism. I think suppression of people's ability to talk about very polarizing topics like Gaza, suppression of that is a cause of anti -semitism. Because people start, start thinking like, is there some sort of grand plan to control us and keep me from being able to talk about something that clearly is in the news every day.

2:14:33It seems like a big issue. Yeah. Well, there's also, you know, like to the thing, literally, this is my origin story of being the guy that I am now, being obsessed with all this stuff, was seeing Ron Paul, first Rudy Giuliani, in 2007, at the Republican primary debate. And Rudy Giuliani is arguing about how the terrorists hate us for our freedom. And then Ron Paul, who I'd never heard of, just like this country doctor from Texas with an R next to his name, starts going like, you know, they don't hate us for our freedom. They hate us because we're over there. Like, how would we feel if somebody else was doing to us what we were doing at that?

2:15:12And then Rudy Giuliani is like, yeah, that's a pretty absurd explanation that the reason they did 9 -11 is because we were bombing a rack. And he goes, I've heard a lot of absurd explanations for 9 -11. And I've never heard anything that ridiculous, which by the way, was in Osama Ben Laden's Declaration of War on America. So like to be like, I've never heard of this is not quite the brag or flex that you think it is. Then Ron Paul just fucking schooled him. And I was like, you know, he was like, you know, who came up with the term blowback, the CIA, because it's a real thing. There is blowback.

2:15:45And if we think we can go around the world and do whatever we want to people, and that's not going to incite hatred, we do that at our own peril. Like, let's be odd. But for whatever reason for me, it was always kind of just easy to connect that. Like, I remember, you remember there was the scene in Goodwill Hunting where, like at the end when he breaks him and he's like, it's not your fault, it's not your fault, he starts crying. But he finally gets him to start talking about the abuse he went through in his childhood. And Matt Damon's character is talking about it, and he's like, he's like, oh, he used to lay like a stick, a belt, and a wrench on the table, and tell me to pick.

2:16:24And Robin Williams was like, I'd have to go with the stick on that one. And he goes, I used to pick the wrench. And he was like, why would you pick the wrench? And he goes, fuck him. That's why. And like, okay, there's something about that that was always very easy for me to understand. Like, you just get to a point where it's like, yeah, because fuck you. It's like, why would, why would some Palestinian whose, let's say there's, there's an Israeli who kicks him out of his house that his grandfather built that his family's been living in for a hundred years. And now that Israeli guy is living in his house.

2:16:55And you're watching from like a refugee camp. This guy live in your house. And as Darryl says in the series, he goes, now you have no means by which to give that house back to your grandmother. But you could burn that house to the fucking ground. And like, it's easy to look down and go, but why would you do that? That's irrational. It's like, no, not really. It's really not because it's picking the wrench. It's going because fuck you. You know what I mean? And they're like all of these things. There's always like reactionary movements. And like, so again, like this is it's say, okay, yes, you're going to sit here and for fucking 15 years tell young white men that they're toxic and they're the problem and their masculinity is inherently wrong.

2:17:36What do you think's going to come out of that? And then like the same people are like, where did this Andrew Tape guy pop up from? And you're like, you made him. You made him. If you wanted to make him, you couldn't have done a better job. Look, that's the whole fucking story of the Nazis to begin with that we impose the Treaty of Versailles and insisted on internationally humiliating these people and crushing them. And then fuck you're where these Nazis come from. It has a reaction to that, obviously. Yeah. And we never learn. That's what's do you think we're going to learn more now? I mean, you have to realize if you're thinking about history, this is the first time where people have this kind of access to all the different layers that are in operation all over the world.

2:18:19And if you're paying attention and most people aren't, but if you're paying attention, you have a much broader understanding of all the things that are at play than ever before. And how these things could be avoided. And I think that's one of the reasons why people were excited about Trump getting into office when he was saying, I can stop that war in one day. I can we can make deals. There's deals that can be made. You know, we can stop all the killing stuff. Everybody's like, yeah, finally, someone is not going to do it the way we've done it before. I think there's I'm I'm incredibly this episode is brought to you by Tommy John.

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2:21:52Like, like we start a lot of wars over bullshit, but the truth is for most Americans, that's kind of over there somewhere and we're living our lives and, you know, like you might be against it, but it's a different thing than like instituting totalitarianism in the United States of America, which lockdowns were objectively. And they did it not only it's not just that they got it all wrong. It's that it was, you know, they were fucking wrong. Like you mother fuckers made the thing and you knew you did. And then you covered it up like there is even now this is like everywhere. It's like the shit that we used to talk about a few years ago that was like the controversial, you know, conversations.

2:22:27Everyone's talking about them now. It was just Bill Mar the other day brought up that like, hey, you know, how crazy is it that we figured out that British intelligence in March of 2020 said that I forget what it was, but they said with 85 % certainty this came from the lab, you know, and then so they did all of this and they got it completely wrong and they were so full of shit that that's kind of that spell's been broken. People see this now. I do think you're right that there was like a tremendous look, you know, as Ron Paul used to always say, the peace candidate always wins. I mean, like if you in the year 2000, George W.

2:23:03Bush, he he campaigned on a humble foreign policy, no nation building, no using our police not being the policeman of the world with our military. It's that people remember that's what he ran and won on barely one, but still he won on that. And then in 2004, you know, John Kerry refused to run against the war. And that's why he wasn't able to win. And then in 2008 Barack Obama ran on a peace campaign, you know, destroyed Hillary Clinton in the primary who had all the institutional money, all the big support behind her, but she had voted for the war in Iraq. And Obama said, hey, that was a big mistake.

2:23:35You can't give her the presidency when she made such a big mistake. You know what, that's right. You know, and even though he wasn't in the Senate yet when the war in Iraq was going on, he didn't vote for the thing. And he said some beautiful things about closing getmo and ending torture and not fighting stupid wars. And he won like a dominant victory. And then in 2016 Donald Trump ran in one on we're going to stop fighting these stupid war. And then in 2024 again, he wins on this like the American people have spoken. Now that's a very different thing than the regime machinery itself. So that's a different, you know, battle, but the public, the battle of public opinion on that has been won.

2:24:13And then I do think even though Jamie told us before the show started that there's now they're saying Elon Musk is going to be stepping away from Doge soon. And yes, it's true that Doge didn't actually get any drastic cuts through, but it is amazing what they have done in terms of like bringing to the cultural forefront the issue of how corrupt government is. And so anyway, my long term thing is that I think I think corrupt regimes, which unfortunately we live under one, I think they are completely dependent on propaganda. And that propaganda just broke. You know, like we're just getting out of that now.

2:24:53And I think there's there's like amazing possibilities. Dude, I mean, three years ago, four years ago, I couldn't have imagined we'd be here now. Like I just couldn't imagine that like the COVID restrictions have been completely defeated. Vocism seems to have been like pretty much defeated. You know, like this is already just incredible. Yeah, it's incredible. It's interesting. And there's a lot of possibilities. It could go a bunch of different ways. And there's also examples of it going sideways like what's happening in the UK and what's happening in other parts of Europe where the totalitarian totalitarian measures are ramping up.

2:25:28And they didn't win the war on woke. In fact, they lost that war. That's true. They lost that war. And I think that's a shining example of the difference to what we tolerated America. Having the First Amendment, having that freedom of speech and then also having the Second Amendment, the ability to back that up, that you know, people are all you're going to use your, I mean, I remember even Biden was talking about that. You're going to you're going to fight off a fucking jet with your rifles. Like, that's ridiculous. Like, no, but guess what? You can't just do what they did in Australia and ship people off the camps in America.

2:26:02Yeah. Try that shit and George. Well, it's so stupid too because number one, the Taliban just did that to you, sir. Like literally you just pulled out and disgrace of a war that you couldn't win against a bunch of illiterate goat herders with rifles. So that we left behind billions of dollars of weapons. They got a lot more rifles now. And they go on parades with them. Yeah. Where they're driving tanks down the street and flying over fucking black hawks. But the, but of course, the point is that, well, yes, if, if the US military decided to nuke its own, you know, population, yes, your right, our guns wouldn't do any good, but the point is that that's not what they're trying to do.

2:26:40They're trying to rule us. And like, yeah, of course, having guns, like I look, I don't know, by the way, let's say like the Jews in, in Nazi Germany had had been well armed. Would that have been enough to stop the Holocaust? Or like, if the Ukrainians had been well armed, would that have been enough to stop the genocide that Stalin inflicted on them or whatever. But I'd be better. They are than not. Like, I don't know. Like, yeah, it might at least give them a second to go like, well, we can't go, you know, and the truth is, like, if you were to try to think it, the state that we're in right now, it's like, what, let's say they were just like tomorrow, some leader was like, we're rounding up all the guns in Texas.

2:27:21Like, no, you're fucking not. Good luck. You'll have a civil war on your hands. Maybe these people are not giving up their guns voluntarily. And the thing about people who won't give up their guns voluntarily is if you try to force them to it, they have guns. Especially if they think you're going to shoot them. Yeah. If you're coming with guns, they have guns. Now you have a fight. Yeah. That's right. And that's terrifying. And then you're also your paying someone to go do that's a regular person. Like, this is the thing about people in the army or in the police. These are just regular folks who tend to lean right wing and tend to light guns and the second amendment.

2:27:54Yeah. Who may not be so keen on, you know, taking away the second amendment. Well, they'll understand that this is a totalitarian measure. And then what's going to happen is it's going to be the collapse of what we understand of as America. We just America is we think of America in terms of our ability to express ourselves first and our ability to defend ourselves. Yeah. That's why it's number one and number two. And it's not to say that this is the entire reason because obviously things like there's many different variables and factors in there. It's a complicated history. But the huge part of the reason why America is the most prosperous, most successful country and and has largely been the freest country in the history of the world is because of that because the first thing we enshrined in our bill of rights was like, listen, man, the government is and that's and it's not, you know, it's it's not what the people are allowed to do is what the government is not allowed to do to the people.

2:28:45Congress all right, no law. Perry, you know, like this is like, it's the fact that this is the only country in the history of the world that was started on that premise. Yeah. And then has gone on to be the most dominantly successful country in the history of the world is not a coincidence. No, it's not. This is freedom's last battleground. Yeah. Yeah. And we're in the middle of it right now. We're in the middle of it in a weird, transitionary time where things are being exposed at a level that have never been exposed before. And people have an understanding of how corrupt this system is at a way they've never been able to fully comprehend before you, you know, you have an uncle that tells you, you know, what they do is a CIA sends people, uncle's crazy.

2:29:30That guy's out of his fucking mind. Then Mike Benz explains it to you and shows you charts and graphs and brings up articles and has classified documents that have been released and he's showing you those like, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, his stuff and I mean, look like the, the Jeffrey Epstein stuff. I mean, it's just like again, in every, in every category that you could imagine, just what's happening with the American Heart Association trying to get people to be able to buy sugary drinks and, and crap food with food stamps. And then you realize, oh, wait, look, these companies like Coca -Cola and Pepsi have actually donated to the American Heart Association.

2:30:10Yeah. And evidently some, some Twitter influencers too. Oh, yeah. Take it in that big Pepsi money and then they're going, it is in a salt on liberty to tell people they cannot buy people. So many people that have prominent ex accounts and prominent, I'm sure other social media platforms as well, they all said the same thing and they're probably being paid because a bunch of people were being paid to support Kamala Harris. And there was a bunch of people that exposed that. They showed that the emails that they got, we were invited to do this and you get paid like a considerable amount of money to make some sort of a statement saying that you would vote for that person.

2:30:51And I guess they said, well, if you have 500 ,000 followers here and a million followers there and you add all those up and you give this guy 25 grand, this guy 50 grand, you get the amount of 11 million. No, bro, by the way, I hear constantly people when they attack me on Twitter that I'm getting Russian money or a guitarry money. I've never kind of got to him check from any of them. Like, guys, give me the money. I'm already saying the thing. I think so. Like, hey, why not? Is this what I'm just kidding? I don't like your buddy. Well, I get it all the time. People think that someone's guiding this show and then I have someone who tells me what to talk about.

2:31:24Like I would have never had Kurt Metzger on yet. That's when you know no one's guiding anything. Which is true. Everybody was screaming about Elon. He was screaming about everybody. I love Kurt Metzger dearly. I've known him for over 20 years. He's one of the most brilliant comedic minds in the world. But let's be real. No body. If anyone was guiding anyone with a show, they would never allow Kurt Metzger to be on that show. He has any time he appears on a show that is proof that there is no big money behind this show. Well, the scary thing for people is that there's not a guide and that it really is the Wild West out here.

2:31:58And that's that's real. Like this like this show is a great example of that. Because this is the number one show in the world. And this show is literally me in my phone. It's very interesting for me from from my perspective. And I'm sure much more for you. But like from my perspective, it's like somebody who's like a regular and a good friend of yours and has been on the show many times. I mean, I get you know constantly. People always come up to me ask, Oh, what's Joe Rogan really like? Which is always an interesting question to me. Because it's like, and I always say my answer is always I go, but you already know.

2:32:29Like you already know what Joe Rogan's like. If you watch the show, you already know what row it's more of that. Like I don't know, it's that or it's you know, like I'm not saying like there's not like any element of like something you might tell a close friend that you wouldn't say publicly. But like generally speaking, and this is true. By the way, almost with all of my favorite comedians, you know, people be like, what was Patrice O 'Neill like? You're like like Patrice O 'Neill like exactly the guy you saw. He was that a lot more of that same. Daniels is exactly like that. It's just always the case.

2:32:54But it was really interesting. At least I don't know. It's just so entertaining for me after this last election. When it was almost like they finally had to admit the power that you have, you know, because like for all those years, and we would always make fun of it over the years. But like Brian Stelter would be on CNN and he'd be like the fringe Joe Rogan is over here. He's very controversial. You'd be like controversial. It's like, these have 15 million people listening to his show and you're struggling to break 200 ,000. How do you get to say he's fringe? You know, like, but it's almost like they had to admit after this last election, they're like, oh, and then the way they start going, oh, we need our own Joe Rogan or we need our own this.

2:33:31And it's just, I don't know. It's very interesting where it's like, man, talk about like you guys just don't get it. Well, my favorite one was there was a guy on CNN saying that there's a well -funded network of right -wing influencers that are organized. And they were trying to make this argument. At who are the people like Theo and you? Jen Socky was trying to make this argument with John Stewart. Oh, yeah. So I'm sure he called her out. And he was like, yeah, no, that's not right. No, it's she was like, well, it's a right -wing movement. She's like, it's more of a comedian libertarian movement.

2:34:06Yeah. Yeah. That's what it is. I think is more like, you know, I mean, I think, I mean, I think generally speaking like, you know, as you've always said, you're kind of a mix of like some kind of more sympathetic to left wing ideas, some more sympathetic to right wing ideas, some sympathetic to libertarian ideas. But it's just so, especially like if you just know the people involved, like to describe you and Theo Vaughan as a right -wing network. Or not. It's the most disorganized thing in the history of the world. Organized and well -funded. I'm not organized. And I guess I'm well -funded, but it's not for that.

2:34:39No one is having the audience. But it's also it's like, no one tells me anything. Like, I can have on UFO people, I can have on comedians. No, there's no feedback. I have no feedback. There's no exchange between me and Spotify in terms of who you got this week. What's the month look like? Tell us the big names. We they started at the beginning of the deal. They said, okay, who's going to be the people the first week? And my manager's like, hey, hey, hey, it's the same show. You bought the number one show in the country. He's not doing anything different. And they're like, well, we were like to get some big names out of the gate.

2:35:16Like, yeah, yeah, like that's not what we do here. I'm not going to change. It's the same show. But the thing, it's such a funny thing because it is almost like it's like a you know, it's like somebody in a marriage, you know, like the corporate media, I'd say they're like in a marriage and they're just lying through their teeth to their spouse. They're constantly cheating on them. They're getting caught, left and right. Then they're saying, no, no, no, it wasn't that. It was you and you're the bad person and all this. And they're just like the worst, most dishonest fucking obvious liars. And then they're like looking over at like someone in a healthy marriage.

2:35:47And they're like, so what's that guy's trick? Like how does he do it? And you're like, he just doesn't lie to her. He's nice to her. And like, I don't know, like it's just like the thing is the big secret is that you're authentic and just say what you mean and invite the people on who you're interested in talking to. And that, that was like the antidote to your insane tyrannical bullshit. It's also that I started it not for money. I started it for fun. And it didn't make money for years. And I was independently wealthy. Like I had money from fear factor. And I had money from stand up comedy. I was like, I didn't have like a crazy lifestyle.

2:36:24I was like, I can just, I'm fine. Like this is fun to do. I'm just going to do this. And then it just got big. And it was so new. And I never changed it. I just kept doing it. I made it better. Got better cameras. Yeah. No, it's funny. Sometimes you'll look back at those old episodes and you're like, Oh, holy shit. That's great. I don't remember it being that grainy, but it was. Well, terrible. Terrible back then. And we just use regular webcams that you go to fries electronics and buy. We just like regular fucking USB microphone in the beginning, plug it into a MacBook. The whole thing was so janky.

2:36:57It was like, and now, you know, they think somehow and other because it's big. Well, some, it's been infiltrated. It's not that I haven't been offered. People have tried to buy percentages of the show and give me large sums of money. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the, I'm glad you didn't make that decision. Once you have fuck you money, you better say fuck you. Because if you don't, you're not, you're ruining the, one of the most beautiful gifts the universe can bestow upon a person to never be beholding to money anymore. Just be able to like, be yourself. To do what you like to do. I talk her Carlson said about me once.

2:37:35And I thought it was like one of the best compliments I've ever gotten. And it really meant a lot to talk her to someone I really admire a lot. But he was, it was a, I think Patrick that David, if I'm remembering correctly, he was on his and it was before like the debate with Cuomo had been announced, but it was before it happened. And Patrick was like, it's like, how do you think that's going to go? And Tucker was like, look, man, he's like the thing about Dave is he is just totally unencumbered by any restraints. You know, like there's no, I mean, I think what he meant was just like, there's no one who's like, cut in his check.

2:38:07There's no one who's like, there's nothing that holds him back. Like I get to do the biggest show in the world a lot because you like what I have to say. And so then that's it. It's not like there's no, I feel no like, man, I wish I could say this, but I really can't say that. And there's something about that that is like, that's the new thing. And I'll say, I think you, and look, this is what's really crazy, right? Like the impact of what you did during this election going forward is going to be. And I know you don't like when I like suck your dick too much, but I'm just saying, uh, there's the fact that Trump did the show got such a great response from it.

2:38:45Kamala Harris refused and then tried to get you to change what the show was. And then obviously in hindsight, like, oh, you know, the conventional wisdom is you really should have done that. The new normal now going forward for presidential elections is going to be that the expectation is that you can not just your show. I'm not saying like you're you have to have the candidates on every single four years. Although I think you should, but that's your choice, obviously. But the new expectation, the expectation used to be that two or three times a presidential candidate is going to have to go do one of these CNN debates where they will be asked these like very narrow questions.

2:39:23They'll have 90 seconds to respond. You know, it'll be Obama. You know, how do you feel? We do this in the war on terrorism. Be like, well, first of all, thank you and thank you for coming out. And we appreciate this. I think fluff and bullshit and blah, blah, blah. And then hopefully change us water saying, yeah, because like, there's nothing just emptiness. Nothing happens. And now the expectation is that you got to go have an organic, unscripted three hour conversation and probably do it a few different times with the few of the big shows. And you get, you know, like you get to kind of see that person in a whole different way than we've ever gotten to see presidential candidates before.

2:39:58And the truth is that a candidate like Kamala Harris will never be a major party nominee again, a candidate who is on this, what was her running mates wall skin Tim wall these guys are not because they're not built for that. The future is going to be guys like JD Vance, guys like Vivek Ramaswami, guys like Bobby Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard. And by the way, maybe the Democrats will find somebody in there. You know, you wouldn't have predicted Donald Trump in 2012. Gavin Newsom is trying to do that. That's why he wants it to be him so bad. Yeah. And that's why he's doing his podcast. And he's doing a podcast where I'm inviting everybody on.

2:40:34Well, he's at least right doing that. Everybody come on in whoever y 'all I'm inviting him all. Hey, Gavin invite me on. We'll have a nice, we'll have a nice chat. He probably would. I'll do it. He had Steve Bannon on Gavin. Uh, uh, Mr. Newsom governor Newsom. I would, uh, I would love I would be honored to be on your show. We can have a nice civil conversation about the issues. We'll probably have you on right now. We'll probably hear that. I'll do it and reach out to you. Look, I will give him credit for this. He is at least smart enough that like that is the move is to go do a podcast and start interacting and try to figure out.

2:41:07I think the issue that Gavin Newsom has is he is he is a very talented old school politician. Yeah. And I think that that archetype has been rejected. Yeah. And that's going to be very tough. I think that going forward. Like, you know, you saw, um, I don't know if you saw recently, a few weeks ago, uh, Bernie Sanders and AOC had like a few big rallies and they're drawn like, you know, tens of thousands of people to these. Now I don't think either of them are going to be the nominate. I don't think they're really drawn those people. That also might be that also is probably true. Do you know they got the cell phone data?

2:41:39Yes. Yes. No, I know. And it's though I've seen that and they are probably pretty artificial. But still there is no way like no one's reading Chuck Schumer's new book. No one cares about Nancy Pelosi. Like the establishment wing is not going to be what the future is. It's going to have to be some populist. It's going to be Jasmine Crockett. I'm not sure she's the one. Margie Taylor Greene and Jasmine Crockett in a cage fight. Let's get from talking monkeys in space. You're just like, we could go down. So this is the level now. You're fucking it out. Maybe you really protected the future. Yeah.

2:42:18I definitely did. That was about George Bush getting us into Iraq. He got we want it. He won again. How do you want to? And then someone in the back of the room going, I think we can go down. He's right. He was 100 % right with Tim Walls. I mean, that guy was almost the vice president of the United States. I'm sure you've seen that thing where it shows Obama saying, I need a vice president that's done more than me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I was saying that I need a vice president. It's so perplexed. I need a vice president. Dumber than me. It's walls. That's right. Men have tampons. Yeah. You got to lose because we got to break this cycle.

2:42:54We're getting way too dumb. Yeah. Regroup. It wasn't just that we were getting dumb. We were getting scary close to people justifying totalitarian measures. You know what Tim Walls in the campaign trail was literally saying free speech doesn't include hate speech and misinformation. Hey man, fuck you. Yeah. How about fuck you? Because everything that we called misinformation just a few years ago is now being fucking on it's on the front page of the New York Times now that we were allied to. I mean, the New York Times just printed a thing that turns out we were allied to. Yeah, you lied to us. You were a part of it.

2:43:29You spit out all of their propaganda without doing what you're actually supposed to do, which is be a journalist. Yep. The only way you can be a journalist today is if you're independent, a real journalist. You have to be a Glenn Greenwald. You have to be a Shellenberger. You have to be a Matt Taibi. You have to be someone as independent. Let's see, only way you could do real journalism today. It's just too many fucking guardrooms. Glenn Greenwald, who is debatably the greatest journalist of the 21st century. Maybe I'd give it to Julian Assange, but he's up there. He had to leave the publication that he was a founder of the intercept.

2:44:08He had to leave them because they were going the route of propaganda and not letting him tell the truth about Joe Biden. It's a testament to Glenn Greenwald that he was just like, okay, cool. Bye. I'll go be just as big without you guys. That's another thing that's really interesting about this, which is very recent though, right? That there was a time where like cancel culture was so effective. I remember thinking this was something that really kind of scared me like a few years ago because it was like, you know, you'd have these people, like some of the people who kind of started getting like big like before me.

2:44:46I mean, I was doing what I do, but I had a slower progression. But like some of these people who shot up to the top, you know, Milo or like people like that got totally removed from the conversation. Like it was like, they were just taking the ass example. Yeah, this guy was going to be the guy and then Bill Marshall. Yeah. And did great on Bill Marshall. Compared it in a Hitchens. Yeah, remember that. I remember. Yeah. Like a gay Christopher Hitchens or something like that. And now it just seems all over the place. There's lots of examples of it where it's like they tried a, I mean, they you went through I think the biggest cancellation attempt where they were just like you could see it was like I remember in those few weeks or is like a decision had been made.

2:45:29We're going after Joe Rogan and they just emptied every bullet they had and it all just bounced off you. And then you see this with like a lot of other people like, you know, Alex Jones and you take, you know, however you feel about these guys, I'm not even making a comment on you just with them bigger. I'm just saying that them getting kicked off every platform has not worked at all. And that doesn't work anymore. And that's great. And that's another example of that too where they tried to go after I mean, it's just was like not happened. Just made them bigger. Yeah, it's fascinating. So they're going to have to adjust or go away, adjust or perish.

2:46:02And I, I assume they're going to perish. I don't see them adjusting. The only thing that could change is the people that own them like Jeff Bezos is kind of put the clamp down on the Washington Post and said, look, I don't want any of these fucking crazy left wing opinion pieces anymore. I want you to report about lifestyle, health, news, objective news. Like let's become a fucking newspaper again, which is what is that's the only way you have value with everybody. Otherwise, you're alienating literally 50 % of the country.

2:46:39And lying so openly about so many different things, everything has to be gone through a filter. Everything. Yeah, it's and so like it's not even just that they're lying, but that they're lying in such a brazen, such a 180 degree from reality. You know, like the way they've tried to make this threat of doge, you know, like where they're just kind of like, you know, what right does he have to go through all these bureaucratics email, bureaucrats emails and what and when you zoom out, it reminds me a lot. There's this weird parallel between like what Bobby Kennedy was able to insert with the maha movement where you had this thing where we had like what they'd call a national health crisis, you know, a pandemic like the all of our focus has to be on this health issue.

2:47:24And then Bobby Kennedy just kind of came along and was like, can I point out that like there's a real health crisis that we have? Yeah, that's not the one you're talking about it. Like you're claiming to care about health so much. And it's like, okay, look at autism and diabetes and obesity and where like we lead the world in chronic illness, heart disease, like all these things, like that's kind of and then it was just the doge thing. It was like, okay, so we have the US federal government is the biggest organization in the history of the world. We spend more than any other government in the history of the world has ever spent.

2:47:58We are so far in debt now that the interest on the debt is now I believe last year it was $1 .2 trillion and it's going up. Yeah. And the interest on the debt is now overtaking the entire budget. Like I remember when trillion dollar deficits were crazy. If we balanced our budget tomorrow, we still run a trillion dollar deficit every year just because we owe it on the interest on the debt. This is so obviously a crisis. And then they're trying to convince you that the real crisis is that Elon Musk and a few of his genius nerd buddies want to open the books. Like how the fuck can you convince anyone of that?

2:48:41Well, the Democrats are really good at having a narrative and then marching with it. Yeah. Yeah. They're really good at it. And that's what you see with all these tweets that are all from the same kind of verbiage they use in the same sentences and you see them all throughout. Whenever it comes to certain issues, they're really good. Staying united and getting out this one message. Yeah. Which does which does work to kind of shockingly well. But again, it is like you can watch it. Like it's like this thing that's getting diminishing returns and diminishing returns. And it's like, oh, it's not the same old thing isn't working anymore.

2:49:15We're also in this big Manhattan project style race to create sentient AI. And that's another issue that's going to completely transform society. If you think the internet and podcast transform society, just wait till you have super intelligent God -like computers that are telling us what we should do. Yeah. And there's, you know, look, there's some pretty spooky implications of all of that. I mean, I've read a decent amount about the way the IDF was using artificial intelligence to track suspects and stuff like this. Like the military using AI is kind of creepy. But then at the same time, you know, what might that do to like people's ability to keep secrets and keep corruption going?

2:50:04And you know, it's kind of like who gets in charge of that is going to be a vet. That's going to be like the fate of mankind. Well, I think they're prepping for that. That's where they're jailing politicians. Like there's a lot of that going on right now. They're in a hot panic because you're not going to be able to hide anything anymore. It's going to we have just a it's going to common waves. And it's going to be I mean, I'm just guessing what its impact is going to be. But I think the world's unrecognizable in 20 years. Yeah. I think you're probably right. I'm probably right about that. And it's a, you know, it's going to be very it's going to be very interesting.

2:50:38I remember you said like a long time ago. I think it was like at that very beginning of the podcast. But you had said one thing where you were like it's going to be harder and harder to lie. That's just going to be the future where it's just harder and harder to lie. And you're talking about just like even how much right now, like, you know, like I was I was born in 1983. So I grew up in like the 80s and the 90s. And like you could lie back then. You could just tell. You can make up stories. You make up whatever I used to do this. I was the head of this. I worked at this company. So I just say that.

2:51:09Just say that. Just say there was just totally like and you were just like, I don't know. I mean, he says it. There's no way to really check that. And now it's like you just say like, oh, I used to do this. It's like, no, no, you didn't. You know what I mean? Like that's a crazy shift that, you know, it happens slow enough that you don't run. But the more that that goes on and on and the more technology there is and the more with the like singularity type shit or the more like, wait, it's going to it's going to become increasingly more and more difficult to deceive people. At least that would be my guess.

2:51:39There's going to be an app in our lifetime. That's a lie detector and it's going to be 100%. It's going to read your retinas. It's going to look at your eyeballs and you're going to use it just the same way you use FaceTime and you're going to have to talk to your boss through that thing. And it's going to be able to tell you, what did you do? What did you actually do? Where's the money? Why is money missing? Oh, imagine that just like on politicians though. Oh, boy, it's going to be great. Get that bitch on Nancy Pelosi. Just happy to be really good at picking stocks and to make it change. He's dead.

2:52:10Would you like to stick him in front of that? No, he's still alive. Isn't it? Dick Cheney. I thought he died. Now, Dick Cheney still alive. Is he? Yeah, no, somebody. I think somebody else. I don't think of who you who was the guy who died. One of the big ones died. Uh -huh. Yeah, yeah. No, someone real evil did die. But that guy's what's that? Yeah, he still lives with another dude's heart. So I was looking to start isn't it crazy? All these people died from COVID and that fucking guy's just still kicking. Yeah, well, the thing about making it the deal with the devil is, you know, you get you get paid off at one point in time.

2:52:43He had no pulse. He had something that was just circulating blood through his body. Yeah, that's got to be the Bible. Yeah, yeah. No, there's definitely something to the guy responsible for a million innocent people dying who doesn't have a pulse. It's and can you imagine it's just crazy like and I don't know like I don't know how much he was acting on his own or like they were oh McCain's dead. John McCain is dead. He's been gone for a while. I think the chain is dead. I feel like there's somebody else who I and but maybe not, but you know what was crazy? Did Rumpshell just die? I'm not sure.

2:53:17There was a fake report earlier this year that Dick Cheney died. Oh, that's it. They got me. They got you with a scam. They got me to face. But isn't it crazy that which but you know, like there's a million examples of this, but just like how tone deaf the Kamala Harris campaign was that they now I don't know how much Dick Cheney they like but Liz Cheney they started bringing on because Jail he came out to endorse it and say that Donald Trump is the most dangerous threat to America and then she started campaigning with Liz Cheney like as if I mean it's just just forget even like the fact that obviously like I'm the anti war guy and I think all these people are bloodsoaked monsters who should burn in hell for eternity.

2:53:56But leave all that aside. Just the politics of it. Liz Cheney lost her congressional race by like 50 points. What market is that? Like what margin on the edges did they think like I know I know what I'll move this okay we're down but we're not out bringing the Cheneys and then we're going to tell them about how much we love fucking the war in a rack or something like that. And it was I think it was just a signal to like military contractors to be like hey we're cool. You know like send us some more money internally apparently they're new they were losing. Yeah they said the from which makes the spending even weirder.

2:54:31Yeah well evidently the the internal polling there's a few really interesting questions about this because so the it's been reported that the internal polling of Biden before he dropped out was like a crazy landslide way way more than what Trump ended up winning by like they had him winning like 500 electric I forget what it was but it was like a crazy fucking blowout and then similarly when Kamala Harris took over like they knew but then there's also something interesting where it's like hey so like. Pulseders could could we ever get the real polls how come like they can figure out the real polls right but then you because there was something like there's only been a few elections in my life that I remember where like it was um it was just obvious who was who was going to win like Obama in 2008 right it was obvious right you you could not have convinced anyone like it looks like John McCain's the front runner no it fucking does not like this black Jesus is drawn 80 ,000 people and then John McCain's over here like I think we can do you know it's like clearly this guy's losing and this guy's going to win but the polls reflected that it was like oh yeah Obama's up big in the polls but this year everything you could see taste touch like it was just obviously Donald Trump everywhere Donald Trump went he's getting like a king's greeting he's like with all the culture is totally shifted in his direction now imagine if they had an astroturf those conventions for Kamala Harris imagine if they hadn't paid people to show up how many people would be there they'd have an arena they it look it would have been imagine like right it wasn't people coming to see Beyonce and they just had to come see Kamala Harris and you know it's it was a this campaign was the Kamala Harris and this is part of the reason why even though I am uh really upset with Donald Trump and I'm set with a lot of the cabinet people too I mean I look Bobby I will say does seem to at least be doing some real structural like he's he's talking about really you know changing some things at the health department I think it maybe he could take a break from tweeting about the virus of anti -semitism but whatever uh Tulsi I'm really upset with over you know her like cheering on these these strikes I you know I thought she was supposed to be the one who was going to stand up in that signal group and say something and not just leave it to JD um and I think Donald Trump's messing up in a lot of ways but I really at least at this point like if he invades around and we have another war there then I I will apologize for voting for him then I think I've made a mistake and I shouldn't have done that but short of that I do think it was the right thing to do and part of it was like that that had to be exposed because this Kamala Harris ticket it was the most astroturfed ticket ever you know like it's one thing like Obama had a lot of institutional support it wasn't as organic as they made it out to be you know like but there was a lot of real support like he did have real grassroots support she was just she never won she didn't win a primary she didn't win a delegate when she ran for president she didn't even make it to Iowa it was all fake it was all phony and it was like that had to be exposed it's dangerous that's dangerous because if they can get that through with her even if you like her anything she would have done a great job it's scary that you're giving that kind of power and the same people that were auto -pending all those Biden executive orders would have been in charge for another four years if not forever yeah that's right and the and and look even you know you could say whatever that Joe Biden just feared that Donald Trump would abuse the Justice Department which is you know a little ironic to accuse him of the thing you're actually guilty of doing but to go out and to pardon your family and forget the family of him because that's a little less relevant but to pardon Fauci yeah and go back to 2014 yeah why did pick that year yeah you know Joe I mean obviously Joe Biden didn't pick anything but what who's the person who picked that we got to go back and give this guy blanket immunity going all the way back like come on dude yeah what the fuck it's crazy that's I mean too much it's crazy and who who really signed that that's the other thing the thing about using auto pen for writing all those pardons does that count is there a legal battle about that well if you can't remember if Mike Johnson testifies that he brought up the the natural gas deal and he's like why did you yeah why'd you go and he's like I didn't yeah he's like no you did and then he asks to be alone with Mike Johnson so he always has handlers with him and then when he's alone with them then Biden tells him I didn't sign that yeah well it's and then you realize it's the same signature well when you're the level of senile that Joe Biden was it's like it leads to the question we're like so how easy was it for everybody to manipulate you also because you could just tell him he did or didn't do something and he may not you know like he is well like we don't know you know like I'm there was this one thing look like one of the things on October 7th and I try I try almost to avoid this topic sometimes because I don't want it to come off like I'm down playing the horrors of of October 7th like Hamas invaded Israel they did some really fucked up shit they indiscriminately killed a bunch of civilians and they had grenades and rifles and they did it was horrible they took a bunch of hostages and it's you know everyone else really anything however there were some claims that were made that turned out not to be true the 40 beheaded babies and some of the like claims of mass rapes and stuff like that just turned out not to be true they were said in the fog of this thing that whatever I'll give the benefit of the doubt of like you know maybe it was you know I think they were kind of abused by some politicians in order to get you to turn your brain off and be very emotional and not pay attention to what this response is going to be but Joe Biden claimed that he had seen the videos of the beheaded babies and then it turned out to just like that never happened and then you're almost wondering you're like was he lying does he not remember did someone just tell him that you've seen that and that because he's a senile man you know a liar like his whole life that's all that's right it's so it's it's like impossible to know because he's also been a liar his whole life he's also the guy who's like I was first in my class graduated with multiple degrees that blah blah blah you're like none of this is even kind of true none of it's even kind of true yeah and it's just wild that you could be too old and senile to stand trial for having classified documents but yet you're fine giving out pardons yeah like how do the person with a mental disease give out pardons that seems like that's the guy manipulate and if it turns out that guy gives out more pardons than anyone ever upon leaving office yeah how's that that seems like that seems like those shouldn't be legit well look on on its own of course not but on its own uh that and and there were things that come above that to me like covid and the Warren Ukraine and you know a whole bunch other shit but that alone is like Kamala Harris and the corporate media and the damn they had to lose yeah you can't do that you can't emperor's new clothes the entire American public and like fuck it just lie through your teeth pretending this guy's not a vegetable wild times Dave Smith we gotta wrap this up all right bitch home thank you sir love you death you're awesome appreciate you very much tell everybody how they watch your show oh uh part of the problem is my podcast where I talk about all this political news stuff and then Legion of Skanks is where I'm a degenerate uh with my comedian friends uh check both of those out Skank Fest is in New Orleans this year if anyone wants to come that's gonna be a lot of fun I believe it's September nice of uh this year and then uh you know comic takes me to dot com if you want to come see me on the road beautiful all right bye everybody so