#2310 - Robert Rodriguez

32:21How would you answer this Quentin goes? Hey, I'm gonna make a movie called four rooms four different directors Got to use the bell hop its new year's eve you're in a hotel. You can't leave your hotel room. You want to do it? Hand goes up Just on instinct now I asked the audience was I wrong to just go by instinct or should I study it a little bit Nobody really knows the answer What would you say? Are you more stupid? Are you more instinctual? 100? Yeah, I'm primarily It's thankful it figured because that's why you're here right Because we're not that smart. I'm not that smart. I couldn't have figured this shit out It's because I was just at an instinct to go that way when everyone else was going that way And you're gonna stumble you're gonna fall but you're gonna stumble upon you're gonna stumble upon ideas No one thought of because you're going the way that's not picked clean or right right?

33:05So I just like four rooms I said yeah now if I had just studied it a little bit I want to see that anthologies like that never work like even when it's of course, say easy You know Woody Allen and Copeland they did one nobody goes to see you They don't want to wrap their head around. What's three movies anthology doesn't work If I'd studied first should I have changed my answer? Nobody knows that answer. Well, I'm gonna go on instinct. I'm gonna say I say instinct anyway movie bombs doesn't do well at all Now I could be really I said about that and go like wow I got to be really careful now going forward I have to tiptoe around as an artist.

33:37Well, that's that's not the state of mine I was when I won Sundance. I was throwing stuff out. Can I offer a counter to that? Sure. I only bomb financially Okay, no, no, no, I'm not done with the story The lesson is a very good movie. There's a lot of great stuff in it But it goes even better than that my whole thing is Examine the ashes of your failure and I don't find one I find two keys in there to my biggest movies directly from that experience so my instinct was right But again sometimes the only way across the river is slipping on the first two rocks I was on the set had to be new years so I dressed everybody up in tuxedos And Antonio I just done desparado the next week he came and appeared in there the little boy from desparado He had a little brother so I hired him and then I just found the best little actress who's a half -eighth Girl Asian -American so I cast an Asian mom so it would look like they were a family So I'm seeing Antonio and Tamilin to meet up All dressed up to denies.

34:29I went wow they look like a really cool International spy couple What if they were spies and that two little kids a comparely tie the shoes don't know it They get captured and the kids have to go see them so spy kids. There's five of those now The other key to success that I got on that set was I love doing short films. That's why I signed up for it. It didn't work But I'm gonna try it again not four stories three stories like a three -extructure Not four directors, but the same director I'm gonna try why on earth would I try it again except that I just done one and I figured out There might be a different approach that's since city So since city and spy kids directly came From that thing you would call a failure if you if you focused on the failure So go back and look tell everybody go back and look at something that you had a real instinct for That you Did and it didn't work And sift through the ashes of it and you're gonna find either that you've already had this success from it And you didn't realize it which you really need is a boost of confidence in your instinct or you you will find something That will be the key to your success Well, that's also the the magical part of the creative process is that it's not always gonna work And that's actually good that means when it does work could be even more rewarding I mean mariochi didn't work this episode is brought to you by better help It's the end of tax season and I know by now you all are probably sick of numbers But there's one more expense we need to talk about and that's how much you're investing in your well -being The cost of traditional therapy can be outrageous between a hundred and two hundred and fifty dollars a month or even more So how do you get the help you need without blowing your monthly budget use better help with better help You pay a flat fee for weekly sessions Saving you money and time it could even help you save up to 50 % Per session and you still get quality care therapy is a good tool everyone can use whether you've Experienced a major trauma or not.

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37:09LP .com slash J .R .E I failed at that. I was gonna sell that to the Spanish on video This what's blew me away about rereading the book. I'm like, oh my god. I was so bummed I finished making that movie and you you see in the book clearly. I'm a penniless clueless filmmaker Making this movie. I think by myself. I think it's gonna work I don't know a borrowed camera. I didn't even know how to use it I call a place in Dallas that rents his equipment and go I got an ari 16s. You know on the phone It has two motor -looking things one has one number one's got many. Oh, that's a variable speed motor I mean you can I do slow motion with it?

37:43You know, I was literally learned like that And then I went shot the whole moon. I had to shoot the whole movie in two weeks And I couldn't develop the film till I got back so I shot blind not knowing if that camera was even working Is it true that you invented the walk away with the explosion behind you? Yeah, that was invented Yeah, yeah, if you could look at all the compilations it starts with desparado Because it was an accident. I didn't think you know, this is what happened so in desparado In the script it says he Throw some grenades over the side of this building to blow up the bad guys and him and and and sound my walk away It was just supposed to see some body parts fly.

38:18It was just a grenade You know those supposed to be a nuclear explosion just some body parts some shrapnel and some smoke But it's two stories up and we get them. We're shooting so fast. I went to my poor effects guy who was just you know So busy just having done a big shootout and I went Mandy I know you don't have body parts. We didn't ask for but do you have anything we can just throw it so high up Is there anything you can launch up there and you know, oh, no, I don't have anything So I need something to come up because I wanted some shit to fly up behind him and he goes I give you fireball It's a fireball like It'll go up 60 feet, but it's but it's propane.

38:50So it's gonna burn off like that. How fast is it burn off? Like that. So okay, shoot slow motion. Okay, shoot it's a shoot slow motion. It's all the actors Just keep walking don't turn around because it's supposed to be pretty big and it might be really hot I want you to send your eyebrows just walk fast walk fast and determine, but I'm gonna shoot It's gonna feel funny, but when I shoot in slow motion. It'll look like you're just walking normal speed and it'll slow down the explosion Well, it looks fantastic. I remember when I showed yeah, it looks fit. See they're just walking They don't know look at Tony was just like look at her.

39:17She's just like so calm But if you play that if you sped that up and played it normal motion it goes by like that It's crazy because that that scene has been copied so many times came an action like Staples look so they've used it for fear factor. Yeah, now let them think about it We use it for one of the ads for fear factor is me walking away and they blew some shit up behind me because it's just like It's this cool attitude and yeah, I thought it was the dumbest shit ever when I first was a TV show Oh, no, but it's the dick was in the action thing of it. It was just an accident again the accident in There's a stumble All right That came out in August of If 1995 Just six months later dust hold on came out and I made that I joined it so much I love that movie.

40:08Oh, thanks I love that moment. I showed this explosion shot. You know the movie to Jim Cameron He was watching it as Wayne for his for Xeno He was doing like it was like terminator two blowing the shed. I'm everything So I was wondering if you like my low rinky ding thing and his hand went up in the air when he saw that moment I'm doing that. I'm gonna do that. Does does still don't just still don't I had it where the actors come out doing the dialogue though And the explosion just keeps going and they're walking away while having a conversation Yeah, so within two move within six months you saw two versions of that So people just started doing you see didn't man and fire you see me you see like all competitions of it But it's a that's kind of weird for you Like you're like bitch.

40:44That's mine. No, no, there wasn't mine again It came I'd engineered it. Yeah, I'd be really smart But again, I said I'm not that smart Sometimes it's gonna be cool that it's become like a part of like action films. Yeah, does till Donna so first of all Who knew Quentin Tarantino play such a good fucking psychopath? Who knew was so fun is um He's in Desperado now. I met him on the film festival circuit So in 1992 we're both had movies with guys in black In violent movies. In fact, I met him at the Toronto Film Festival for reservoir dogs Had mariachi Because they put us on a panel together to discuss violence in the movies in the 90s even though it was only 92 And so we met there we came friends and he said I'm my next movies in pulp fiction I just thought that's crazy guy.

41:32He's so funny. I mean, I'm gonna write him in Desperado It was before he did pulp fiction or anything that so By the time Desperado came out pulp fiction was a phenomenon and then people cheer when he walks on state on set But when we were doing that four rooms. Here's another thing that came from four rooms If I hadn't done four rooms it'd be no dustal dawn When we're doing um four rooms he takes me into a room and he starts reading me and I got on it It's on the internet. I put it out him reading me the first scene of kill bill This was in you know eight years before he made the movie um and then he said My very first script I wrote and I didn't get paid shit for like 1500 bucks was dustal dawn And now because of the sex of the success of pulp fiction they want to make all my old stuff And these producers have it.

42:18I think it paid dick So I'll do a rewrite and you and I will go in together You should be the director because it takes place in Mexico and you're Mexican. So I was like all right That's the second time he read me the scene in 2001. There's one video where he's even younger in Four rooms reading me a second version of it. So over the years he would read we had an office next to each other when I was right Desperado and he was right in pulp fiction. So he'd read out scenes there he is and I would read out you know Show him scenes from Desperado We just became friends there. He was originally gonna make pulp fiction for a tristar and then they passed on it because they thought It's weird as long and he went did it from your mac Did he want to be the serial killer?

42:57I asked him to because I knew he liked acting and I just knew him as a person like a lot of times I'll cast somebody just by meeting them. I'm gonna cast you and Because you realize you can there's something about them that captures you that's gonna just be magnified when you put a 50 feet on screen That's why I've discovered a lot of talent that way. That's why I found Salma. I just knew she was gonna be it But he was so so great and I thought this is a really fun character I bet he could he likes that I can get a performance out of him and he'll come in with a take on it So I said I'll do just hold on Would you be interested in playing richi because I'd love to play richi Okay, well, so he was the first person we cast and he's fantastic in it.

43:38He's really great He's really scary got along to character. He was terrified kind of had this really cool haircut. I showed him a picture of Bird Reynolds and deliverance said dude you got the haircut of deliverance He's like oh wow, you know, he just really slipped into it. It was always in character and he was always intense on The set and it was really fun to see him get very believable. He really enjoyed that performance I mean dude you're so good in this movie. Anyone talk shit. They're just talking shit Bullshit through gritted teeth don't listen to anybody. You're really great in this movie.

44:06Yes No, the test of time you can't listen and anybody's talking shit about Quentin in that movie shut up Oh, he nailed it. He scared the fuck out of me. Well, when you get a lot of success people attend to you know The mix you with target, you know, of course So they would say stuff about him and being an old way shouldn't be acting as movie, you know, of course Like that's like this little shut little shut them up and if it doesn't it's just bullshit that because you're really great in the movie Yeah, you just have to tune out the noise. Yeah, how do you how do you get past the noise? I just tune it out.

44:34I'm busy Stay busy. Yeah, I don't read anything about me. That's the big one Don't don't read that shit. Don't engage like sometimes people send me things. I'm like don't send me that man I don't want to read it. I'm not gonna read it anyway Yeah, friends Yeah, it's just I just go just leave me out of it. I got some really good advice early on like to share people I share this with my actors because they got a lot of shit sometimes um I was afraid to even do like a bigger movie because I was flying under the radar with you know Mariahce and Desperado and then Spielberg sees Desperado wants to do Zoro with Antonio and me directing right so I go Cool, I'm a Spielberg.

45:13It's like I'm working with Spielberg. You probably remember this time because we're about the same age Remember the 80s and 90s people would just throw shit on him all the time all the time. Mm -hmm. No respect for that guy. They're so jealous Yes, public everything. He was just like he couldn't catch a break and he was making like the cool smooth And that movie sucks. I drastic prox sucks. Yeah, I was Unbelievable. So I thought oh shit. That's because he's got his head way up Maybe I should fly into the radar and I'm gonna make if I can make a movie with him What chance do I have I went back and rewatched you know like temple of doom?

45:43Which people say that's not as good as radars I'm watching if I can move in there's an eight of that I'd be lucky. It's like hold on and say you make close encounters I know She's that's fucking crazy movies, but that but you get that much success and after and then people kind of Yeah, it comes with the territory. Yeah, but how do you get by past it? I was curious for him. So I I said, hey man, I just saw temple of doom. I don't know how I'm gonna make this movie for you I don't wait about that. Just make a great movie. So then I go to him and I say um I'm afraid that if I make a movie at the bigger level I'm just gonna be a target like him.

46:17I mean he's the best filmmaker and he's gonna shit kicked out of him So how do you do it? How do you do it? You just you get rocks thrown at you all day long He goes oh Robert you just don't blink I was like wow, it's not like a clean eastward line. Oh wow, that's how he did it all this time It's just like dude, just don't blink commit to making a body of work try to self -filmmaker sometimes that they have a success for the first one They get really afraid of the second one because they think oh shit now I might fail right? Of the fail the fear failure cripples a lot of people If you commit to just making a body of work a body of work Like he did he just made any movie he wanted some hit some don't some overperformed some underperformed A movie like mariachi that was not supposed to go anywhere way overperformed And you can't tell what's gonna be the one so just commit to a body work and now no one gives him any shit I think it's also important to recognize that the people that are tossing shit your way They're doing it to distract themselves in the fact that they're not contributing anything It's almost always the case of that.

47:19Yeah, that's what the critic is the critic would not be a critic if they had something to contribute So they see other people that are taking that chance and going out there and they're they're acting On their instincts and they're putting something together and they try to attack all those things as being garbage Because really they're not contributing. Yeah, and so they're very well Very easy to attack and they may very well want to but they're getting heard by the fear. Yeah, the both those same Instincts that make them want to attack successful people are the same things that hold them back from being creative talk about closing that pipe Yeah, I mean doing it to yourself doing it yourself and by doing that to the people if they were just Commit to a bodywork don't blink right and just keep making shit don't get somewhere That's great advice commit to a body of work body of work like look at someone I mentioned this in a friend of my businessman called me and said wow I really I really spoke to me, you know I tend to look at all the different businesses that I've created that failed Instead of looking at the whole body of work And I fixate on the ones that didn't work and it's like you you don't ever know what's gonna work or not Don't that's not your concern just go make shit Follow your instinct because again, maybe maybe that one that didn't work is your four rooms Then you got and you got you get two other great ideas out of it I've forgotten that Dustal Don came out of that as well.

48:37So that's the that's the third one out of that That's awesome that thing gave and gave and gave Dustal Don was so fun because it was two different movies. It was like this That's why I couldn't get made So when he first wrote it he couldn't get made because people case this is what happened the effects company hires him and They they said we want a movie that'll Showcase our effects in this vampire bar. It's about two brothers go to vampire bar. Start quitting starts right And it starts writing quitting style where he gets way into the brothers so much into the brothers And it turns into like a desperate hours type movie for half the movie he waits half the movie to get to the bar So now for for financiers.

49:14It's now like a mixed bag. It's like two movies in one right but it was a negative then It was like this movie's all wrong. It's like suddenly there It's one thing and then suddenly it turns into a vampire bar. This we can't make this within Pulp fiction comes out And now everybody wants to make it. Oh, it's two movies and one and it's great You know the whole different perspective change a little successful do for you four rooms. Oh, yes, four rooms Four times the fun, you know, so I never know so I told Quentin. Let's make it right now Because we made it our next movie right after four rooms.

49:45So the Desperado four rooms and so Desperado came out in August 1995 four rooms in December Dustal Don was in January. That's how fast those came out. We're working that fast back then So let's make this right now because you're starting to steal from the script That's Ezekiel speech That um Sam Jackson says in Pulp fiction. That's from the original Dustal Don script really He just took it he was people's pulling stuff out of it because it was just not gonna get ready Before there's before it gets picked clean. Let's go make this thing And we'll shoot it now. We'll shoot it right now And it was so fun.

50:20It was so fun. I love that movie. It's so fun. Cheat cheat cheat is so great You know, we did a table read when we have a table read with your actors you only have your main actors there So sometimes you'll assign other parts to other people who are there So it was like cheat. Why don't you go ahead and take you play the main guy at the end but go ahead and Read for the for the oh no he made the guy who gives a speech in front he was playing that character Read for the border guard and for the guy who comes at the end Carlos who always gonna get like you know Eric Estrada or something So he starts reading and he does each way.

50:48I was because I'm median He does everything in a different voice and we're like by the end. I was like wow He should play all three characters and so I asked Quinn Quinn goes hey What if we get cheats to play all three guys? I was thinking the same thing So I go and tell cheats cheats is just friggin hilarious and you go, hey man, you're gonna play all three characters Do I get paid three times That this is why I love having comedians on a set, you know because We're out there shooting that desert scene, you know at the end When the cheats comes and the whole place is burned down It's 125 degrees in the shade or in bar stow and a dry leg bed So freaking hot we're all just like not moving so I'm gonna have to go get something or all just Cheaches like this in a suit with a hat you know here are Can I This is gonna be a walk and I go to my trailer.

51:33I was like, oh man By the time you go you know the sky's gonna be back and we'll have to start we should just stay right here Okay, okay, I'll go into my mental trailer. Okay. I school drinks. You're conditioning It's lines up the whole cell. Okay This guy's gonna be in every movie He's been in 10 movies of mine because it's that attitude you like that attitude of somebody who can find levity and torture Sometimes movies can be torturous sometimes so Having people like that that are really on your team that can really lighten up a sense is just the This episode is brought to you by farmer's dog It doesn't matter how old your dog is it's always a great time to start investing in their health and happiness and thankfully The farmer's dog makes it easier than ever to feed your dog a healthy diet of real meat and veggies Dogs prefer their food even picky dogs and owners prefer their service if you have a question about your dog your plan your delivery or Anything else they have 24 seven customer service that connects you to real humans who are genuinely interested in providing the best Experience possible for you and your dog They give you detailed instructions on how to transition your dog to fresh food and even pre -portion it for your dog specific needs Feeding your dog healthy human grade food shouldn't be complicated and with the farmer's dog it isn't The entire experience from box to bowl is a breeze so try the farmer's dog today and give healthy Freshly made food a try you can get 50 % off your first box of food plus free shipping Just go to the farmer's dog .com slash rogan tap the banner or visit this episodes page to learn more Offer available for new customers only America's beverage companies are investing in America.

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53:59Yeah, there's a similarity to them. I'm still that cartoonist So what they all have is they're all comedic like even the action movies are kind of just fun I mean think of desprato. It's like a James Bond movie. He's got a guitar case the fires missiles He's got this one that's got a weapon. It's like right kids is very much the same thing. It's just summer for big kids and summer for little kids But yeah, even since it is very playful. Yeah, the since it he went was so dark I remember the the first book the one that marveled that a Mickey workplace It was so dark. I was going oh my god. It's gonna be a dark.

54:29I have to add some levity to this and Mickey will bring Humor to it and it's the funniest episode. It's really funny But he's in the book. It's it's just like oh my god. He's just killing everybody But you're really with him because of the way he betray We didn't change very much. We just added you know some humor to it and that gallows humor really you know Yeah, like when the yellow guy gets shot in the dick. Oh, that's the yeah, that's the that was a good one Those are really good use of color That by the way was one of the fucking creepiest characters ever in a film and it looks like that in the drawing And I just wanted to my whole idea was Because I'm so respectful of someone's artwork You read since city and you realize that art is half of it If anyone else in Hollywood were to make that into a movie they would just make it like a gritty crime thriller We're gonna take out the whole visual element Which is that stark black and white where people's eyes glow in the dark yeah, and it has all these layers of unreality And I went to Frank Miller.

55:24I said I want to just make this move. I want this is like the coolest movie never made And he actually wrote it because he had been in Hollywood writing a couple of screenplays and he got Shit on and screwed around the whole Hollywood thing Jamie can you show me the scene with Mickey Rork and the yellow guy? Oh, this Bruce Wallace in the other Excuse me Bruce. Well three. Yeah, just I just want to like while you're talking about this. I want to look at it and Yeah, so he he went and made this Comic because he said fuck Hollywood. I'm gonna go make a comic that could never be made into a movie because it's so dark so sexy and so everything I call him up man.

56:02It's make a great movie God is so interesting. Oh Bruce love this. I can tell you this funny. So this is the fastest. I think any Hollywood movies ever gotten made um Really yeah, I'll shave this process. It's kind of like this card thing you get it. It's gonna blow your mind But is it now it's April? Okay, so imagine I this is this is this is 2000 in April Last year I had two movies out in the summer with spike hits three days a number one movie a couple months later Once upon a time mexico another number one movie, but also both of them ended a trilogy that I had started So I was looking for my next thing and I was I opened up My since cities again.

56:47I was like oh shit. I know how to do this now I just did a whole movie on green screen, which was really new back then for spike hits 3d because I wanted it in 3d It was the first digital 3d movie because when you're in Austin you just innovate a lot You know George Lucas tell me that it's a good thing. You're in Austin. That's why I'm in marine county when you live outside of that box You think outside of that box automatically. Yeah, stumble upon innovations. So I thought I'm gonna go Take this process and utilize it to make since city. So I did a test a little test of it I don't know shit. It's gonna work.

57:15So it was October when I got that idea. I filmed it I contact frank miller met him in new york. I showed him my laptop It looks like his art, but then it starts moving it's actor and he's like wow and he gets all into it right. It's November And he goes um, oh no, but then we have to write a script and the studio is gonna have notes And that's not how it works like I'm on studio I'll write the script it's gonna be unremarkable. I'm gonna copy right out your book and I'm gonna edit it down I'm gonna edit through the stories together. I'll write it this month. I'll show it to in December And then in January we'll get a couple of actor friends We're gonna shoot the opening scene as a test you don't give me the rights yet because I understand this is your baby You've never given up the rights.

57:54I know what it's like for an artist to make something. Let me take all the risk I'll go ahead and write this script We'll shoot the opening scene you come and fly you down so you can watch about Josh Hartnet Marley Shelton that opening scene in since city that was our test 10 hour shoot day And uh, Marley Shelton comes up to me and says why did why did I hire this guy to kill me? Well, I don't know let's go ask Frank. He should know it's not in the book, but I'm curious myself So Frank answered her question and said I want to do this movie And that's wait we had a whole process. I'm gonna shoot the opening.

58:24I'm gonna cut it together I'm gonna put in the effects. I'm gonna put in the music. I'm gonna put in fake titles. Then we're gonna watch it And if you like what you see then we do the rights and we make the movie If you don't like it and you're still on the fence about it just keep it as a short film keep keep to gift So we committed to the process We make the opening sequence. He loves it. He wants to do it I take it to Bruce Willis first which was cool about doing it that way Which is unheard of when I went to his uh his agent His agent was like wait He leans forward very dramatically you brought actors down Oh, cuz because I told him this is Frank Miller's one of our greatest artists He wrote in Hollywood.

59:05He got screwed around and the guy goes welcome to Hollywood You know like that. I'm like yeah, whatever. I just respect the artist So I just thought hey you'll be a partner. You're gonna co -direct this with me And we're gonna make this we're gonna take all I'm gonna take all the risk you're gonna come down We shot this opening which I have I'm gonna show it to Bruce so we can see the book But then you can see how it gets translated and I think I get very dramatic he goes Wait, you brought the actors down You shot this you did the effects for it and you didn't have the rights and I leaned in and welcome to Texas I'll his little monkey spit out water It was super noise.

59:38He said okay, you can be any side anyway. Okay, you can go me with Frank. Oh You can go me with Bruce so I showed to Bruce and he's watching it. He looks at the book and he looks at the thing and he goes Damn, this is really great and then fake titles come up his names in the titles and I go look you have to be in the movie Your names in the titles and he's like I'm in So he was in and we are shooting the finished we're shooting the actual movie by March wow So by April we're already done with it. We're filming the the second story by April It was out the next year. I mean, that's as fast the movie's ever gone into production All these actors jumped on right away once we had Bruce and he loved he loved doing this film noir type thing And we're doing something very experimental which is green screen nobody knew what green screen back then was And what I told him was it well, it's kind of like theater But inside of being in front of a black curtain you're in front of a green curtain You'll still have some props you might have a steering wheel like Clive just there just had a steering wheel you might have But just mainly you and the actors and everything else goes away and I'll fill in the right the later So what's cool is their performances are so focused on each other because there's no other stimulus around Then you got these great performances.

1:00:44We only built the bar at the frank. We'll build the bar So that you have but we have a place to hang out with and you know do our story meetings But everything else will just be on the same you're gonna come see the screen screen when you come visit my studio The whole movie was shot in an area Let smaller than this room by the time you bring your lights in where the actors actually had their the playground It's unbelievable wow That's incredible and It was so inspiring too that movie was so because when I left the theater remember thinking I've never seen anything like that before It was like the comic was that way it was so different and it just like when someone does something that really just steps up and and Enters into like conscious a new area of art because that's what it felt like it's like a real legitimate comic book art movie And this is before 300 Yeah 300 kind of took that as well.

1:01:34Oh yeah, that's called it said how do you do that movie? I said I just put out a DVD go I put all the I put all the secrets on there and they went in the shot the same way It was such a good movie and it was it was so fun because it was also Frank Miller the thing about that yeah, right same thing But think about those kind of films where someone like does something new It's like when you see something new and I felt this way about pulp fiction to you like wow You leave the theater like everything's different, you know like the world's different like that got made like this Like I now I know and the thing about people today Like young people today that don't know how like how a revolutionary pulp fiction was when it came out When it came when it came out it was like such a different kind of feeling that you got after you saw the movie It was there's so many what the fuck scenes that you left that theater like Jesus Christ Like the world was different the world was different Quentin Tarantino changed the world with pulp fiction That's how profound it was yeah, I'm not exaggerating it changed what was possible in film after that no I was I was there during I remember the studios were just like We don't understand why this movie's big head We don't we don't have anything like this coming out except except your movie desprado Maybe because Quentin was in a set and I was like yeah We got our pulse on the what people like it we don't we don't know like I tell you really Uh Two things first of all George Lucas told me that and he's like um I showed him the sin city thing because we'd both been early adopters of digital and dp's directors of photography I didn't want to even look at digital.

1:03:07They were like like that. They already spent all their time learning film Which by sticking your head in the sand and not seeing where the times are going To the detriment now the cameras are designed and they don't look as good as they could look Yeah, but they weren't a part of the conversation robber shooting my own movies. I wasn't gonna let Some dp who didn't want to get a digital keep me from making You know sin city, so I just shot it myself I figured out myself so I showed it to Lucas. He was like this movie will show people with digital's capable of finally More than the Star Wars movies I'm doing because it's just so avant -garde and so crazy looking But I only made it for me.

1:03:41I really wanted to see it made. I didn't I literally didn't think it would be successful on its theatrical run In fact, we didn't even test screen it They're like can we do a test screen? I'm like no why what for everybody's gonna say it's black and white Why is it black and white why are there three stories? That's all wrong voice over. That's all voice over. That's all wrong We know it's that way. Why would we go here people tell us that that's not what it makes movies supposed to be Let's just put it out figure it won't do well Deatrically because you see the first trailer and go okay black and white it's not for me It's very counterintuitive, which is most of the things I do just like always go a different way But they'll find it on video later and that's that's good enough for me But then it was a big hit Let me tell you about publicsion but because groundbreaking doesn't look groundbreaking to you or anyone around you necessarily when you're doing it I forgot about this but I journal and I ran across an old journal and I brought it up to Quentin when I Interviewed him from my director's chair episode.

1:04:35I did I was sure called the director's chair I interviewed brighter directors. He his was so big. We did two episodes We talked about all his movies and I said do you remember this time? I found in my diary right down to the hour We went out to dinner. I mean he was so into Pulp fiction ever since I met him my next movie to be Pulp fiction I've visited the set. He was into it is into it He finished the movie and I said hey, how did because I live here in Austin? I'm good to hang out with him except when I go to LA How did your movie come out? It's not it's not the one it's like still feels like a movie Quentin would make I'm gonna what?

1:05:07What do you mean? It's like it just doesn't feel like a real movie Feels like another movie Quentin would make and I was trying to be the supporter friend I knew how much you put it in a lot. It should be different You just like when when have it? It's like two in the morning. I was dropping him off at home after we'd been out And so I went back to Austin and he had had a screening for us all his director friends Did I couldn't be at cuz I lived in Austin? So I called one of them Say how is the screening? He was a little bummed but he was nah, it's isn't the one for him I was like really. Yeah, it's just two Yeah, it's just not it And I asked him this and he goes you're right.

1:05:40You know, he'd forgotten about that moment. He goes fact Yeah, people didn't get it and in fact and he didn't get it either he wasn't sure if it was it In fact one filmmaker even said I want to sit you down and tell you all the things that are wrong with this movie But I'll wait to get back from can He goes to can he wins can the friend left him a message there. Well, what the hell do I know I've only made one movie Everyone's mind was changed so he was surprised by it too So that's when people to hear that because You're making something groundbreaking. It's not like you're going. I'm making something groundbreaking You don't know that it's gonna do that sometimes things over performance That's why if you just commit to a body of work You're not gonna know which one's gonna be your pulp fiction Which one's gonna be your four rooms?

1:06:22You know and if you just do that because I saw a lot of people get hurt You know like John Carpenter made the thing he thought he made a great movie. It's that he made an amazing movie Bombs critics called it pornography at the time if you remember like this the Makeup effects of the audiences didn't go. I came out the same weekend Unfortunately as ET right why did they call it porn? No Just because it was just so self -indulgent and gross and nasty. I mean they they really like reamed him to the point So the special effects yeah, the special effects are really crazy. Yeah, really yeah If you don't remember the time it was really like that.

1:06:57It was repulsion Towards this movie. Wow. I know you don't think that now because ten years later. I don't say ten years No, it was not ten years later It was suddenly considered a classic now if he had committed to a body or if you would have just let that roll off his shoulders and just don't blink But it really fucks you up if you think I made it my instincts must be off I thought I made a great movie. It's a great fucking movie. It's a great fucking movie But if no one else is saying that So I ask Quinn who George Lucas had the same thing he showed famously star wars to all his director friends and there are like Poor George.

1:07:32So we said all this time when this movie And Spielberg was the only one who's like, it's naive. It'll do good And so I asked Quinn and it was there anybody in that director's group and he goes yes, there was one Catherine Begillow she was the one who's champion said this is something new and different No one else was saying that That's pretty amazing, right? That's super amazing It's really and I would have forgotten it if I'd not ridden it down There's a lot of films that slip through their cracks Yeah, for whatever reason or they don't get You know what I saw recently that I fucking loved the monkey Did you see the monkey?

1:08:08Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's a Stephen King book That or may it might be a short story. It was a story one of his adapted It's fucking fun man. I watch with my youngest daughter loves horror movies who watch a lot of horror movies together And uh, we were You know looking for something the other night and we're like all right. Let's take a chance on this Had no idea what it was Watch the trailer. I'm like you in she's like okay. This is a good So it's fucking chaos. It's such a chaotic insane Hyperviolent movie right and but funny and just you know kind of scary It was really good man. It was fun.

1:08:49It was like a classic what I really love about the early Stephen King work Like his early work was like that's a Here's one that fell through the cracks like and I was there at Sony when we were doing Mariachi just brought it when this movie came out I remember the marketing team said we have a really great movie unfortunately no one's gonna see it because of the title So what is it called? It was Shawshank redemption. Oh my god and it bombed What oh Shawshank redemption bomb what it was a bomb how It nobody went to see it's called Shawshank redemption and what the hell is a guy's in prison Nobody went to see it and this is Sony marketing.

1:09:23They just couldn't get anybody to go see it wow, but you've History gets rewritten now again. You can be Frank Deribon be like really down But fortunately he didn't have to wait 10 years as soon as it got to video It became a phenomenon in video and now it's considered you go on IMDB It's always neck and neck with the godfather is the best movie of all time. Wow. There's a movie. Nobody saw So again look don't blink Commit to a body or you may make a classic it might be the thing and you're not gonna hear about that for 10 years Just keep going don't let it don't let it make you question your instincts because your instincts I would have never guessed Shawshank was a failure.

1:09:59There's a lot of movies are like incredible Now is a time when people could um Really get a second life on video now now. It's different with you know Opening night to see the audience to view their film Deribon and Glotzer went to the Sinorama dome and found no one There center out. Oh my god. Oh my god. I don't even imagine just like I thought I thought you know as an artist you're gonna be going. I must be wrong I must have just don't have that clearly a fault of the marketing No, it's also just I'm blaming them. Yeah, I think I mean because if anyone showed up They would have gone and screamed at everybody else.

1:10:39Sometimes it's just it's just the way it goes It's just it's supposed to go that way now. I can TV an alternate one that there's a movie called Body parts with a guy named Jeff. Hey, I loved that movie body parts. What era grad? He did the hit shirt You would never hear about it because the timing of it in Jeff. Hey, it was a big Jeff. Hey, man Remember in the early 90s. I kept going I was at my mother -in -law's and across the street was a dollar theater showing body parts I go every night for seven at seven pm. I go for a dollar Isn't it the second run and watch it just to hear how an audience responds to it And he was just great and I just felt a connection this guy go.

1:11:13I wish I was making movies That would work with this guy. He's really a cool actor. What is this about? It's it's about a guy who gets in a car accident loses his arm And he's given the arm of a killer just to kind of just replace him But it suddenly he starts doing things. Oh, I remember this is okay. So anyway. That's the same dude that was lawnmower man Yeah, he was in lawnmower man, too. So another should have been something that you know was it for him, but This week it came out They just caught Jeffrey Dahmer like the week before so they pulled back on the marketing completely It's a no one saw it and so he didn't get that boost his career But but the silver lining the ash the key and the ashes was me.

1:11:53I saw it Every night So when I went to do grindhouse he retired from acting. He was in Afghanistan. I asked for him to take it I was working doing work out there. What said me out? I remember some kind of you know like helping people stuff Um, he sends me a tape and so I hire my hire him to be in it and because he was in that movie In fact, I'd already hired Michael Bean and I went oh shit Jeff sent me a thing. God Jeff's great, too I'll just make him brothers. So they play brothers in grindhouse because he did that movie He got lost that show lost. He got he just his whole career came back So we're talking about it.

1:12:30I just recently was telling a man. It just came out on 4k You got to come see you probably never seen you have never seen the finished movie and I said you're great in it I was showing him some scenes as blown his mind he goes Yeah, this movie didn't do well. I remember now why because the Jeffrey Dahmer thing just do it went That's just how it's supposed to go but I saw it and that's why I hired you And that's how you got that second career later on Because I was there every night because it was in the dollar theater so quick. I wouldn't have been able to afford it So that's how weird shit happens right?

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1:14:11It's in a league of its own If the trailer is anything to go by this new film does not hold back Liam Nieson is Frank Dreben Jr Sun of the celebrated police squad lieutenant from the original films Let's just say you've never seen Nieson like this nor Pamela Anderson or Paul Walter house A must -watch on the big screen the naked gun only in theaters august 1st I was talking about brass knuckle films and and and just getting everybody all stirred up about it And one gal goes you're all positive, but you have any doubts I wonder if I asked that question before so whenever I don't have an answer.

1:14:52I'll ask them first What do you guys think what do you guys think? How would you answer how would you answer that they have to ask you do you have doubts you have to have human doubts Everyone has doubts. Okay, it's what you do with them Right you'd let your doubts overwhelm you or do you take them into consideration like are these doubts valid right like I and what do I have to do to make sure that these that these fears Don't manifest themselves as reality. I have to do extra work. Do I have to work harder? We have to be more objective right you know you have to You have to take into consideration than anything you're gonna do that's gonna be exciting Also carries the possibility of risk and the risk of failure is Of thing that keeps a lot of people from acting so if you're gonna commit to a body work and not blink you gotta be You don't have to worry about that.

1:15:39There's a jiu jitsu expression Well a lot of people use it in MMA as well. You don't lose you learn. Yeah So if you know that's the process. This is my answer. I said no. I don't have any doubts because I like to be counterintuitive Yeah, your process is long The the thing is long it's a look. It's not a sprint. You're not running to a telephone pole You're running to the other side of the world right yeah, so I tell the No, I don't have any doubts Just to be counterintuitive and I say why because if you understand the process, why should you have a doubt You might fail, but it might be four rooms you might if you have an instinct to go there Or you don't know how you're gonna do it.

1:16:17What's that what's half the battle not knowing that's the magic is I don't have to know. I'm gonna figure out when I'm almost done You know all those little just all the things come together risk averse or risk averse and it becomes a pattern And it's very hard to break out of and I always tell them find something that you can have success and find something that you enjoy doing It doesn't have to be a career. It could be a game that you enjoy playing It could be anything painting yeah writing. It could be a thing that you love it. You'll probably you will have success at it Yes, yes, I'm sure you were drawing too, you know in school.

1:16:48I would be drawing all day in school I'd make these flip cartoon books in the sides of the dictionaries paper dictionaries flip cartoon movies Then I get the dictionary of this biggest and fattest and make these very elaborate stick figure animations and everyone in class loved him and I'll be like I'm gonna be broke I can't pay attention to class I used to do cartoons of the teachers in high school. Yeah, everybody loved them Yeah, I passed them around the class and I got in trouble a bunch of times for it and one time I had this uh Science teacher mr. Holman and mr. Holman It was very odd very eccentric God And so I drew a cartoon of him Behind his screen so you had a screen that he pulled down where he could show like films Yeah, and then when he pulls the screen up he had no idea that on the chalkboard.

1:17:34I had written I had drawn this cartoon of him and the whole fucking Class starts laughing like this. How are the pen? Yeah, I'd like my first introduction to being a comedian Yeah, it was it's very satisfying But did you think you were gonna make a career out of that? No, of course now you think I was thinking oh my god I'm gonna be so broke I can't understand what they're talking about I'm way behind. Yeah, and I'm not the best artist. So it's not like I'm gonna Like I'm some protege a or something Some fucked, but that's not being my career was just doing that stuff because you love it so much I asked people you want to find where you're passionate What is that thing that you run off to do on the weekend?

1:18:11Right? I was always going to making movies and I was doing that When once you're done punching the clock all week. What is it that you go run to that's probably your passion Put more effort into that and you'll you'll actually find success doing it 100 puts stuff together suddenly opportunities are gonna fall in your lap and if that's not it At least you'll have learned that you could follow this process to get good at something or get really deeply involved It's something and you could apply that to other things it might be every other thing. So this is what I applied it to Because I've forgotten this lesson, which was just say you're this person stop aspiring right?

1:18:44Words we use are so powerful if you say Well, you know, I'm I'm probably not gonna be sick. Well, that's your lot in life You just you just did that to yourself to find out so I had a friend of mine I mean like I always hated working out, but then follow any sports didn't know sports An high school they go we need you it's a small school. We need you on the team You know you're tall and everything you play basketball and pitfalls. I don't know how to play any thing I hate working out. There's a line in the faculty that I gave to Elijah Wood because I was my line to teachers when they make me one run and go I don't think a person should run unless he's being chased and they would leave me alone But I hated it and so then I became a filmmaker Oh, when I was in cartoonist my back kept going out 19.

1:19:27I'm like have a have a cane and my back would be out for like a month because I would sit Oh wow, I'm able to draw and I was so tall that it was just Throw my back I would just disc would go out and then when I started filmmaking Every year would just go out like clockwork. So I'm operating the camera. I'm operating the steady cam And when I was doing you know spike hits too, I think with a Ricardo Montelbond had a bad back that he got surgery and it fucked him up. He was in a wheelchair He was paralyzed. So he's in a wheelchair and I'm with a walker Because my back went out and he goes Robert I made it for years.

1:19:57Oh, what's your excuse? You got to work out Robert. He was always in shape work. Oh That chest and spot in um in a start track too. That's his chest I know and he was in his late 60s or his mid 60s They used his spine as well. They did. Yeah, they did something and fuck god damn it. So um I've been okay. Yeah, I might wish I could talk to that guy before he did. I know And he went to a good place, but they just hit something wrong. They fucked him up. It happens to his whole man Okay, so I go okay. I don't want that to happen to me But I don't know how to work out. So the next year I worked with Stallone Slice the long I got to get in shape because my back keeps going out and I don't like to work as get the trainer Anyone you ever seen in Hollywood had gotten shaped at a trainer.

1:20:40What about you? Oh, I need a trainer You need a trainer. Well then if you need a trainer Mr. Rocky That's a chance to us mortal men have so I hired a trainer and guess what happened hated it Hated it. I hide from the guy. He'd come to my house. I pay him not to show up. I'd hate it I'd hide I'd hide I'd be I'd call in sick and then when you think when he did get me I'd be like half -assed in the workouts, you know, cuz I hated it and then um one year who just torture I knew I had to do it, but So this is my my point is it sometimes it's not A lack of desire so when people really want to become something and I get in it It's not because I have to change their minds.

1:21:17They they there's something that goes with it desire you I have plenty of desire. I was paying this guy. I wanted again shape. I didn't want my back going anymore I had the desire I was missing out of the key element That I figured out and it's an a lesson. I already knew which was stop aspiring, but I forgot it So this woman friend of mine from Mexico shows up. She's just Production manager. I have to stop smoking my doctor said I have to stop smoking Or I'm gonna die I've been smoking since I was eight years old. Oh boy. I said well You're gonna go back to smoking because you just told me that's your identity you've been doing this since your eight So right now you're a smoker Who's not smoking?

1:21:51Eventually you're gonna conform to your identity. You have to change your identity. You have to say I'm a non -smoker I'm a non -smoker because what does a non -smoker do? Hey smoke. They stick at the smell of smoke. She was like Okay, I'll try it. I don't know what happened to her but I thought She really talks like So then I go wait a minute Shit I used to I used to apply to filming but that's all I was back there Where else in my life can I do a 180 and it's got to be a 180 Because if it's just a better degree this bullshit. Yeah, it's it much easier. It's just opposite day So I went oh my god working out.

1:22:24I hate working out. Of course. Hey working out because I tell my trainer and everyone who listen how much I ate it I'm an athlete I'm an athlete the last thing I would ever call myself mr. Cartoon guy I'm an athlete by the next day What does an athlete do? Love's to work out makes time to work out It's right and it's got to be opposite dates much easier. When it goes lay on the couch They just kind of no I'm gonna go work out or there's a donut not gonna cut it in half and eat half That's bullshit does degrees fuck you up opposite day There's a don't know I'm gonna reach for an apple Not only was I able to work out this is 14 years ago.

1:23:00I didn't need a trainer again Ever I would just be like making myself do because I'm an athlete That's how powerful the mind is so I'm saying if someone says oh, I want to go do this thing on the weekend and I'm You might have the desire, but you've got to get the identity too. Yeah, you've got to say you were that yeah And it sounds a little awkward like I asked somebody like freedman I said you consider yourself a creative person anyway Well You know As you're stuttering there man You're stuttering you're stuttering because I know I know she said no, no, no, you gotta say and are you technical?

1:23:35He goes yeah, okay Technical and creative those the first thing that stuck in my ear It's also which him camera is it's also what you know George Lucas's technical and creative when I first Had a my first job my dad had a friend who owned a photoshop and he said go work for my friend Mario for your summer job When I was 16 went to work for Mario Processing film for photos and he gave me a camera and film and said go home and take pictures with this I need you know how to use that camera so you can help me sell the cameras So I went home and I'm from a family of nine kids don't mean 10 kids nine siblings taking all these pictures of them could doing cool stuff Go back he looks at the pictures and he goes whoa these are really creative you're creative You got to now learn how to be technical because most creative people always need technicians and technicians always need creative people Now it's against you know, it's just a gift you have They can never really be creative.

1:24:25They'll just be technical but because you have creativity if you apply yourself It's against your nature, but if you apply yourself and learn the technical part You'll be technical and creative and you'll be impossible and we unstoppable And I was like whoa on stop. Well, it's 16 you'll hear go go. I know sometimes and I'm gonna ask you about who Did that for you? Who was because if you look at? All the different turning points in your life There's probably somebody who Sent you in a direction it comes through him Because I've already go back and ask that guy. Hey that advice you gave me he'd be like what but I said I remember seeing that Kind of just came through him at the time, right, right So he he pointed me that way and that's why I went and made him or actually by myself I didn't want to take anybody because I wanted to learn.

1:25:08I didn't know how to use that camera But but if you go ask somebody to do it for you Your I need list if you make a list of all the things you need before you can make your dream happen The longer that list is The less that's gonna happen you got to reduce it down to nothing me my hands my bootstraps This camera. I'm gonna figure it out on the day be technical and creative. So I told Lex Now you gotta own it when I say are you creative? Yeah, I'm creative and I'm technical And I don't blink I'm gonna create a body of work. It's like walk that out of there supercharged You know like needs a guy like you in his life all the time These two self deprecating you such a brilliant guy and it's nice to be self deprecating is kind of a joke But a little bit, but the words are using yourself are very beautiful You the words are using and you're doing that to yourself.

1:25:56Yeah, the guy throwing cabbages you on stage Look close. That's fucking it's you You're doing that to yourself You do that to yourself with your words. He'll make like Twitter post about how down he is And I want to go over to his house and fucking shake him like a baby You're gonna you're down you stay down. I have this theory called baseline I touched some of my kids and we just laugh about now and go okay when shit fucks up, but she's not going right Don't be down about it. Don't feel like you're in a slump because now you just stuck yourself in a grave And it's gonna be hard to climb out right when shit isn't going right.

1:26:28Oh tire's like oh, I got fired I call that baseline. You're a baseline Anything above baseline like this right now we're here having this weird talk. This is way above baseline Yeah, I'm on the Joe Rogan show, you know, so way above base celebrate that shit. Yeah, because it's not always there Don't say that you're gonna go down. You're just gonna go to baseline It's much easier to accept and then you're not in a negative position. You're just kind of out of normal I'm at a normal and I'll really appreciate when anything above baseline happens My daughter and about to go play an arena show. She's gonna sing.

1:27:00I'm gonna play with my band. I told her Way above baseline. We're gonna get a nice hotel We're gonna really celebrate this because this shit doesn't always happen And when everything's going really really wrong baseline Only when things are really down would you call yourself low and you don't want to do that Well, why'd you stay there for a much longer time? If you're just a baseline, that's just life. Oh, yeah, I tried to go make that movie and it didn't work baseline It's really just mindset. It's all mine. It's all stuff. You're doing to yourself Yes, and these are things I like to pass on to people because when they come back and give it back to me I don't know if you give your kids advice as you learn it because you learned so much You've got the best job in the world.

1:27:38You're learning all day Yeah, I bet you don't know if that it's gonna stick with him. I was shocked how much stuff not only sticks But they come back and they feed it back to me. Oh, yeah, dad It's just like just like you taught me and I go they also learn by watching you do it So yeah, they've seen you move through the world But but they take and you're making all these films you're doing all this you're involved your your you have action There's a lot of action you're constantly in motion. You're doing things creating things That's inspiring to them. They like absorb that if you're down on yourself all the time.

1:28:10Oh, yeah Yeah, that's they go okay, that's life and I gotta look for I'm gonna that's gonna happen to me Or you can reject that and be the opposite like I have a friend and his family was alcoholics He's never had a drop of drink in his life and he's like super disciplined because of that I'll tell you my secret I've never done drugs none none nothing never You don't even drink coffee you were saying I don't even coffee you would tell that story because it's so hilarious Oh friend of mine what's name he was working at the Sony when I first got there for Mariachi and I was like this kid and there are the people my age were assistants and he was like Fallen asleep at his desk and I'm like why why he falling asleep and he goes I'm trying to get off coffee.

1:28:53I was like oh my god. I'm never gonna get on coffee So I can't want those guys getting their hooks in me and then over there to see like starbucks showing up when we're everybody like zombies Going in there having to get their coffee went as I drink some like you know marketing all It's made to be addictive like nicotine and all that oh, oh, I'm sorry. Then your buddy can't create that and already why I already stand for days as it is You know, I don't want to anything like that. Do you really I can't warm up. I just I just did this uh What's your favorite workout music? Yeah, I just did I just did a Of classic stuff like Van Halen is about it.

1:29:24Oh, there's a music video for Wolfgang Van Halen and we shot in two days And I was up two days cutting it because I just wanted to see what was gonna happen next two days I could not two days. I was just like I want to see what happens next You don't even notice my shoulders getting all fucked up and I'm like what's wrong with my shoulder? Did I pull a muscle doing some shrugs or something? I was like I'm going back to sitting in that chair I was like oh cuz I've been sitting like this for two days sitting just doing this That's insane, but it's it's really cool. Don't you had a point of diminishing returns where it's like you're so tired that you really would be better off with it Editing editing is a weird I was singing that as I was doing I go I wish I could do this with writing where I could just write for two days straight But you've rewards a knock me out put me to sleep after a while editing is just visual stimulus And you're so excited I kept going okay one more hour one more hour and you just can't stop You just can't stop cuz now you're you're seeing it.

1:30:16It's gonna be about so cool. It's gonna take eight hours later It's gonna drop like next week it ripped your head off. It's a great workout song for sure But it's just really entertaining That's it's telling he does all the instruments himself Real yeah, I play that really interesting plays the drums the bass guitar sings writes the songs When he goes on tour he takes this really great band with him because he can't play all the parts, but the albums is third album He's working on his All plays all the instruments wow super talented really really fun But I like working with people who just do more than Than other people they just they're at that level and it's so inspiring and inspires you It's fuel stuff.

1:30:52Yeah, definitely that's why I always tell people if you can surround yourself with other people that are really getting after it in life It will 100 % motivate you completely and it's a different way Instead of having that procrastination feeling you get up excited you have to and it's like you know Parents tell you careful your peers are you're younger because it means one thing oh, yeah But later even more like when I started going to the film festival and there's Quentin and then I meet Jim Cameron And then you meet like George Lucas. It's like you can hang with these guys if you're not accomplishing something right So then when they say hey, what are you up to?

1:31:22Well down in Texas and I got my own studio And I'm pioneering digital filmmaking and green screen technology. I want to make the first digital 3D movie Oh, okay, cool Okay, I can hear you God, I gotta be doing something that's a great one But still compared to what they're doing you know when I first made Jim When I first made Jim Cameron, that's why you don't want to be around people who you're the best you're better You know, right you want to be the one that they're swinging higher. Yes. Yes. Yes. So surround yourself with those people And do something so that they let you hang with them But you want to learn like here's to Jim Cameron for instance when I met him I really wanted to impress the hell out of him.

1:31:58So I said I'm about to go do desparado And I can't afford a steady cam operator. So I took a three -day three -day steady cam course And I'm gonna operate it myself on the movie. I'm an operator steady cam that big beast of a camera anyone I bought a steady cam but not to operate it I'm gonna take it apart and design a better one So I was like that's completely who he is Us mere mortals are like trying to operate the thing. He's designing whole new systems And if you think that's very consistent with who he is that's the person you want to hang out with Not someone as the guy had said oh me too.

1:32:31I'm doing the same thing. Didn't he go to the bottom of the mariana trenches? You do shit. So he's got some re that he designs. It's only yeah, it's on his desk. It's like this big on his desk. This is green machine And I was looking at it going like Won't you fray? I mean, I've got kids and wife you got kids and wife. Won't you afraid of going down that deep and Something happening he's like no So why not oh Why design this skate vehicle? So any other bozo had done it. I'd be afraid because he did At all the confidence in the world talk about seven and no doubt that's no doubt It's not hilarious.

1:33:11That's great. That's him though. It's like yeah Someone else had designed this skate vehicle. I'd be afraid but no I did it. So he had no pause at all That's so crazy So that's kind of confidence that that's like people you want to hang out with yeah, that's a change it Imagine yes, it changes your perception and life and biosmosis you pick up I call it this proximity phenomenon. Yes, you're just near I took a painting class With a special crew or a painter in Germany as well as class that he gives for a week and when I'm gonna go do that class Not to learn how to paint so much. I know I'll be a better director by learning paint because it's that another way into creativity Again, you just want to get better at creativity.

1:33:48So just do as many jobs as you want as you can that you're interesting Because if you just do one job you barely know that job You have to do all these other ones to kind of inform it. Yes, so I went out there. He doesn't teach you anything. He just paints I'll show you the examples before and after just by what I thought for sure I did a pre -painting before going out there looks like crap I don't know what brushes he's using and the kinds of paints It's a different method. I you must have some trick I go and he's painting this amazing Mick Jagger photo reel in front of us and we all can paint alongside him I mean what painter he's using is regular paint with brushes are using regular brushes Come I can't do that I go back and suddenly it's a different painting I'm gonna try one more it's more photo reel when I show to you some blow you away It looks like I dropped the brush.

1:34:32I was like holy shit It's because I've finally given myself permission to do it Because you you have the ability but you're blocking it because you go I don't know I don't know there's something I don't know So you again, you're just chopping off your own lake By being around somebody who's doing it at that level suddenly you can do it too It's like breaking the M field like as soon as I made mariachi knowing it ever done anything like that Suddenly there's 10 12 13 movies made you know very low budget because they go oh it's possible Now suddenly you can do it too And when it's in the room when you're right near it It's just a phenomenon that you can just glean off them without them teaching you anything Just by being around and seeing how they move through the world It's seeing they have accomplished and that they're regular people They're just accomplishing at high level it just blows your mind and This episode is brought to you by visible.

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1:36:41Please enjoy responsibly product availability varies by region see app for details That's really important stand -up comedy Yeah, right to last night in the green room We're talking about this area of the country that's fallen apart and I was like comedy is top -down man You you have to have a bunch of assassins all working together in the same location They all feed off each other and then all the people coming up below they see that They see these young guys that are coming up they see these people working really hard and constantly creating and hustling Doing all these different sets and constantly working on new material and they get inspired by and then you see these guys get Netflix specials and doing it's all happening at the club So this club that we're doing in Austin is all about that process Like we have specifically designed to have two open mic nights Sunday and Monday So new people no experience get up there people from all across the country moving here So they could be a part of the process, but there's like a real path to success that you could see because Guys like Ron wider there guys like Shane Gillis are there Tony Hinchcliffe and and these young guys Derek Post and all these young guys that are coming up that are like really exciting You know, it's like it's really fun There's like a vibe of creativity that everybody feeds off.

1:37:57I love what you've built you come here You know in there like four years and you're already like built this whole community Well, they can't can built itself man. It's it's the same thing we were talking about before with instincts I have first of all had the instinct to escape LA. I'm like this. I this is not gonna change It's gonna get worse. I got to get the fuck out of here and Ron had already been here. Ron was here in 2018 and Once my family was interested in doing it. It was pretty easy because I'm I'm one of those guys like I just can just pick up stakes and go. I'm like, okay life is different now.

1:38:31Let's live in Texas Like I want that. I like change. I like I like not having any fucking idea what's gonna happen I'm excited by that And so then once we got out here and then Ron's like we got open up the club Okay, we got to open up a club and so then I started looking for locations and luckily the ritz was available Wow, that's right. We did we did up we I'd been under contract for this one world theater that was All right, that fell apart. Yeah, it's right down there with all the Oh, the perfect spot when the ritz was available. It was like oh my god This is it and then we walked in and it was still the alamo So it was like set up for a movie theater with like the Angle slope the seating and then we had to change everything but I'm like this is it And then I started bringing in other comics to help me.

1:39:18I'm like what would you do? I'm Louis C. K. came and he was like I think you should make this stage smaller make this stage smaller I think I should make the ceiling lower make the ceiling lower Like so we were able to do whatever we wanted to do and design the club From scratch just for comics and Once everybody knew that it was happening people just started moving here man So it's very nuts. You build it. They will come it really was like that But it was it was like the universe wanted it to happen And I say that it sounds so Self -important, but no, it's like I believe that's it's just you you're stumbling upon so many things had to happen Yeah, in this order for it to happen this way And then you had to have someone who's like me who's accustomed to just going by instinct Yeah, and I've always done that.

1:40:04I always my whole life. I'm like fuck it. Let's do this I'm like that's what I do and so when this came up I'm like okay Well, you're not gonna stop doing what you do now. Don't be a pussy. This is what you do you're gonna Throw a bunch of money at this thing. Let's make this happen and tell everybody you're doing it and call all your friends in LA And call all your friends in New York and come on down man. We're making this happen. Wow I tell people that after Mariatchi. It's like I never thought I could get into the industry because I didn't live in LA and you need contacts and all that so I just you know Again, I made a practice film, but then when he got bought and it was getting released And in one sunday, it's my practice film.

1:40:41I thought I don't have to move tell a that but they won't even know I'm not there between an airplane flight and that X Here in Austin, so for the past you know 35 years people are like why are you living Austin? I don't understand It's like now they're all moving here, but it's because you could just think outside of the box here So yeah, you know, I would tell people filmmakers who all thought they needed to move to LA state where you are build up your community around you We built this amazing community of filmmakers here. All they made here were westerns before that Suddenly I was making spike it since city, you know, these crazy movies that really changed the ripple effects to the whole community Or skewed because you're changing the the workforce.

1:41:16Yes, and so you just by doing that thing and it's like it isn't like an incident It's like it's pre -planned. It's like it's pre -late out. Yeah, I tell my artist for when you come to my house You're gonna feel it you'll feel like these connections And I go I think we realize we're not that smart, you know We're not smart enough to predict all that stuff I think we've lived this life many times before and we forget a lot of it So we have a barely impersonate oppression of what we're supposed to do But it's because we did it a thousand times and we forgot it each time like a dream when you wake up from a dream That might be true because you know you wake up from a dream and then you go I was a filmmaker in that dream And I had five kids, you know, that's what it's gonna be like when we or in our life is over you'll wake up and it'll be like You're like your past lifetime just goes away and then you can go start again and only now you're a fish or something But I thought this had this thought wow, what if I wake up and I can barely remember the dream And that's then that's it because it feels like sometimes you feel like you can predict the future But not like you can predict it is what you recognize it once it happens like oh, yeah, this is this is right But how did I know to go this way?

1:42:21I didn't on purpose like you said I didn't set all the all the things that needed a fall into place or two to coincidental What is that about so that's why even more just just follow your instinct follow your instinct even if it sounds bonkers Follow it and if it fails Keep going because that might be your four rooms or something just keep going It's an important piece of advice too If you're outside of a hive of like -minded thinking you could When you're outside of that you could think on your own go another way yeah You mean it's like high school you go back to that you know Someone famously leaves high school and goes off to college and goes off sees the world They come back to their old hometown and they find their old friends still driving the same streets That's LA.

1:43:02Yeah, they're still doing the same shit the same way and you just went off the reservation and discover it's also Their opinions are only based on what's popular It's like you were talking about pulp fiction yeah like before they're like what the fuck is this then like oh my god Now we got to make something like the most big -tustled dog like that's what it is like they don't Their opinions are bullshit. It's like it's all just based on they lick their finger and they find out which way the winds blow in and that's how they think And that's how they are politically that's how they are socially It's like they're nonsense people.

1:43:34Yeah, and you got to get away from that get away and just create your own thing and The problem with comics is that we got all we all got trapped in the velvet prison of television Right, right. So televisions the velvet prison the real art form is what we do on stage. That's why everybody really Like being on television. I mean like sitcoms. Yes, okay I think I'm back the other way. It's so many comics have such great like Netflix specials. Yeah, massive. Oh, yeah We're basically them doing standard, but they've got a huge audience exactly Well, what happened was the internet came along and a bunch of unconventional people became very famous on the internet Right without the help of Hollywood people that the Tim Dylan's in the world that they'll fit in to this Television box But when you get them on the internet and they can get buck wild like oh my god And then they have this massive following the Theo Vaughn's all these different people that have this very unconventional approach that for whatever reason wouldn't fit in and certain they couldn't host the tonight show Right, but you know once they get on their own and now they develop these like there's more arena acts now for stand -up comedy Than ever before in the history of comedy wow Yeah, that's amazing.

1:44:43Yeah, but I mean not even close. I mean the the only arena act in the like the 1980s was Andrew Dice Clay So first to a Steve Martin then it was Andrew Dice and Steve Martin kind of decided that the popularity of it all was so Confusing to him that everything that he said was funny and it didn't make any sense It didn't feel and he stopped doing comedy right stop doing stand -up Which you have a he had a very different kind of stand -up anyway did play the banjo and he sang songs and So dice comes along and dice clay is selling out a arena So like the first comedian ever to do that and then later in the two thousands it was dain cook Because dain cook figured out how to use my space and developed this gigantic following online same kind of thing And so then When by the time the pandemic hit I was like we don't need to be in LA right?

1:45:30We're not gonna be on TV the only reason why we're in LA is the comedy store And the comedy store is closed for the next fucking year and a half because these idiots that are running this city and We came to Texas and once what we're out here. I was like oh This is so much better because now instead of being around these Hollywood people that don't really have opinions They just go which way wherever where the breeze is going now you're hanging out with regular folks Yeah, like regular people cut people that are cops and Firemen and auto repair guys and you're just humans. Yeah, so all the people I interact with are just normal humans What I always love to live.

1:46:08Oh, so like we're in any filmmakers here so much better. Yeah, it's infinitely better nicer Yeah, everyone's way you get you get a lot more done. I was cranking so I'd have two movies out of year I'd be making that's so fast because I just had a studio where it's like It also has to be something cool feeling about like doing it on your own away from Oh, way better way better. Yeah, that's why it's like I try to create original franchises because if you go direct one of the James bonds You're one of the James Bond director, but if you create your own franchise. Yeah, I guess bike It feels so much better.

1:46:38Right successful and someone says wow I did that voice Flipus made help us save us because that's you oh my god, I grew up with you know, it's like. Yeah, it's a homemade movie You know, so it's much more gratifying and yeah, I did the right thing by by moving out one movie This seemed like you'd be a franchise is a leader. Oh, yeah, we want to do another one for sure for sure of a graphic novel series Yes, you got to come to my studio that's what I want to go that city is still in my parking lot really Foot ceilings seven streets. It's like the largest standing set in the country if not the world Friday Can I go Friday?

1:47:14Come Friday. We're not gonna believe what's here. We're in and you're gonna go like okay Some put you in a movie okay, cuz talking about what you just said about how people are different here. I just started a New label like the label I gave myself I'm an athlete when you create a label. Yeah, it's a business thing too It gives what it label is as a filter So I'm doing an action slate so that already you get a bunch of ideas because it's just action An action slate of four pictures. It's called brass knuckle films and you're gonna be in the first one I'm gonna direct the first one. I've already got what are we doing is I'll show you it's a great part for you You're gonna come to the studio.

1:47:50I'll tell you about it. Okay, but brass knuckle films is cool because it's the first time that it's an investable film slate so fans can invest in a movie they get perks this up But it's not crowdsourcing or crowdfunding like you can get killed in the movie if you put in a certain amount of investment But there's cool about it. I just want the audience to win because audience isn't afterthought like you say you go to the studios and The people in Hollywood and you go they barely even watch movies and then you come meet the real audience and they're so into it They're so Behind it's like where's your cut of it?

1:48:22Studios only show up to an audience at the end when they want you to go get your friends to come spend money on their overpriced movies So I'm gonna do this thing where even at $250 a lowest level you put into this thing Any of the four movies one of which I'm gonna direct for sure producing all of them their troublemaker to keep the cost down so they go to profit center Any one of these movies success you you share in that success all the way through sequels and For even the 250 bucks anyone who puts money in you get to have that proximity effect because we have a whole group together That's such a great idea and everybody gets to pitch their action movie idea And I'm committed to making at least one of the movies on the slate from the fan investors idea So not only will you be an investor, but you be a creator So we're almost already topped out.

1:49:08We're gonna hit our we saw 20 days left and it's gonna surge again We're gonna raise like 1 .5 million in development funds and We're yeah, we're almost at a million already 22 days left. So I'm telling everybody who's listening Come in at the lowest level just be part of our community because People who come here get proximity and the lowest level is five 250 bucks 250 bucks, but you know you make that back on Success of any of the movies that's awesome and it's just Heges your bets and it's just action because there's always an appetite for action like if you ask Netflix right now What kind of movies do they need they'll say action action action?

1:49:48We don't have enough action of sure and internationally That's so it's so we're gonna make the thing that people always buy and they're also really fun to make and you're gonna be perfect in it I want to bring you back to frizzetta. Oh, yeah, so this is a thing that I wanted to pitch this to Quentin And maybe I could pitch this to you sure somebody Needs to make a real Conan the barbarian. Yeah a real Conan the barbarian that's alike the Robert E. Howard books. Yeah The real Conan the car baron because the Arnold ones are great. They're fun and Mamoah I think is the best Conan of all time because he was that the guy what was his name in Game of Thrones Remember yeah a career dragon.

1:50:27Yeah, yeah in He's the most realistic of all Conan's that's what Conan's supposed to look like. Yeah, he didn't look like a body builder He looked like a fucking super fit assassin. Yeah, just a short The book's books are awesome. They're fucking awesome. It's right up your alley It's about it's about The barbarian is actually the one who's got code yeah Has morality yeah, and all the big wigs are the ones that are like playing crooked and shit Yeah, it's just so classic the barbarians got like I was from Texas like I mean Robert E. Howard from Texas outside of doubt I have a house for I made all these movies It's in the land that he looked over In saw and said that's Samaria as we're Conan's from so I always felt this connection.

1:51:13I wanted to do Conan So I almost did a Conan movie I even wrote Jim Cameron into it. Really? We're gonna do kind of like what we did with Alita I said do that's do Conan movie and we'll make it look like the paintings Technology was in there yet and I ended up doing since it instead I'd already written It was gonna be three movies So he does different occupations this kind of built like a James Bond series You know where you follow him on his different so it starts with him as a thief And the second movie is him is a buck in your mercenary and the third one is when he becomes king So the actor could grow with the role you know the way you you know like you took Daniel Craig and started him Casino Royal by the end he's no time to die you got to get an actor who who does the whole the journey so I had a whole trilogy Mark out I know Netflix had it I went and pitched it to them and then they let the right right slaps like they had too much Sometimes it's too much baggage for a character Dude let me call them right.

1:52:14Let me get on a head surrender Let's go make it already. Yeah, I would pull up for Zeta Conan the usurper It's probably a painting called change is that the one with the chains or what don't There's a bunch of the he named them different than the books because of the copyright issue So whatever is on the committee you'll find the cover of it But the painting itself might be have a different name just if you just pull up for Zeta Conan because he did a bunch of them So you'll love this Here we go Chained to barbarian Man, with the one when he's standing over the bodies with the sword That's called the brown barbarian.

1:52:51Yeah, that's the one So I remember seeing that when I was a kid because I was always in the graphic novels and I was always in the comic books And I saw that when I was a kid at a comic book store I was probably like 11 years old and I was like Holy shit That is the coolest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life and I still come to Imitates today He has this very triangular way of composing that tells the story the posters still look like this that fucking look at the one with a snake Again, if you see the triangular design to your head Yes, go immediately to the snake and then down to him and it tells a whole story I'm a theory theory of why his art is the way it is now you know, I knew him did I tell you really?

1:53:30Okay, so when I first see you get to Hollywood right so I'm just this kid who's an artist You get to Hollywood first thing you want to do is work with all your heroes So just till dawn I said I want to work with for Zeta because he's to do some movie posters like the gauntlet with Clint Eastwood that gauntlet when he did Look up the gauntlet Clint Eastwood for Zeta And so I called him and he said yeah, I'll do it in fact when I showed him the movie he goes where'd you find this gal? And I said yeah, that was for Zeta Yeah, he did that so I wanted to get that for dustle dawn right so He said why'd you find this gal?

1:54:05I wish I had a gal like that to paint go watch he's based on all your paintings all like the girl It's always in your paintings. I made some dress like that because it's a for Zeta come to life He was all that's all you need on the poster I don't know. You had a job the other actors so from you come to the house. You'll see the painting you did It was the year he got his first stroke So it took him by timing I got the painting we'd already made posters We thought okay, it's not gonna come and then it showed up in the last minute But we gave it away at comic book stores, you know, but it's really cool But at the bottom of the painting there's the some of the actors even paint Harvey Katelli just like the other actors Quentin and then instead of vampires he just did his monkey dudes.

1:54:37He always does and it's really cool It's really cool, but I got to know him and I got to go visit his studio because we kind of again that's similar mindset And I didn't realize he had There it is all his originals I see a little monkey dudes on the butt Wow, he had all his originals in his next to his house in his museum like all those that you were just looking at They were all there I didn't realize as an illustrative artist sometimes you don't own your own material He made it a point to own his own originals So like the ones you just were salivating over those were in my house Wow, I wish I knew you seven years ago This is kids.

1:55:13Oh my god. These kids are so impassioned about the art even as granddaughter Sarah She has for Zeta girls. This is there's so always you know Bringing up his legacy and yeah, they're sent it alive so cool, but I Really wanted to go do like a Conan type movie or a John Carter I wanted to do one based on fire and ice, which is the only one he had actually it was an animated film Thought well, maybe if Conan's been used too much Let's do fire and ice is a movie because he worked on that as an animated film Let's just make us I just want his paintings to move like ad Frank Miller's art move Yeah, I'm sure Zeta's paintings to move because he's he was transporting us to another world that we all recognized if you could make that That Conan would make him look like that.

1:55:58Yeah, go go back to that photo again Jamie that with the sword. It's called the barbarian you It's you could say that Conan's been done to me. No, the one with the sword. Yeah, that one. Yeah, they never seen it like that. Yeah But the thing is it's like and look that's not a guy that's just like been in a gym right he's he looks like a Swing sword technology you can do that. I had gotten Jim interested It's like a made up even an anatomy in a way, you know the books were so fucking good man Even though Conan's been done a bunch of times it has never been done the right way No, it hasn't been done like the books and it's so ripe Like you because that was done that way first like with with Arnold in it People just figured oh, would you hire a bodybuilder to be you know barbarian type creature character from then on But to do it really like that.

1:56:51He's more like a James Bond character. You know he goes for movie to movie. Yes Yeah, when he's really fucking smart. Yes, and he's just No, but I got to meet for Zeta so you keep that up for a second. So I went to his we talked about His paintings and how he did it and I got a theory on how he did this But What I went and saw the original was like all the shed you got all the originals How did you make the and he really loved to live life like you go play golf you with baseball he'd get an assignment And he'd wait till the last minute and go and paint it So what happens when you wait till the last minute you have to just open up the pipe and let it through right?

1:57:28Yeah I guess why we all know this place, you know we were collectively dream, you know Jim Cameron would come over to my house, you know um Del Toro George Miller John Favreau to see these originals in person when you see him in person and blow his mind It feels like you're being transported. I think because he did him at the last minute. They just came from the universe Because that's why people were relayed them people would just buy these paperbacks For the art. Yes, this this Conan was created in the 30s. Yeah, the books came out in the 60s Right, they didn't become a big hit till these books came out because of the art exactly And then when you read the stories the stories were really great But they got him for the art 100 % and he would show me his his his layout of paintings And he went two days one day three days wow four days two days I was like just locked in just locked in and it's just coming out because he had to and his wife would say Yeah, this pain was still wet when I was taking it to get shit because he would wait till last minute But these masterpieces would come out And I just was really inspired by him so when he passed away, you know as kids say what should we do with the art?

1:58:29So let's make a movie based on the art because who's got this now so different people They've sold some of them but the kids like if you go to Frank Jr Jr. Still has The museum up there. He still has a lot of the master works the kid each kid has some of the master works and And they're all great and then keeping his legacy going and I want to make a movie about it just to get his name back up You know, we're blown. We were all inspired by him. Oh, so it was so cool was how did he find out about those books? I think it was just an assignment and he would barely read the book. He would just be like, yeah, he would just do his own thing So they they start putting the books out more mass publishing in the 1960s.

1:59:07Yeah, so he does these illustrations He does the paintings they fly off the shelves flying off the shelves because of the paintings Because of the paintings wow those paintings and those books no matter even the best art book today When you see the original connect they cannot capture what the original has you'll be blown away You got it. I've got like 14 different for that is to get it comes out. You're gonna That's so you're gonna especially the illustrator. You're gonna freak out. We have all the master works We have one of the prints of go back to those images one the one that we have Jamie with the him with the giant gorilla Yeah, we have one of those where he's fighting the gorilla.

1:59:42He's on its back. He's got a red cape. I'm gonna Yeah, that's called a man ape man ape go just pan over to the left and it's on the left side. I saw it there It's that's it. We have was in that was in my house Okay, so the real one the real one. Okay, so he's what I got we have that out by the old table the kids said Yeah, fucking cool that is the kids said Can you take our paintings for us and show them to influential people because hurricane seasons coming They lived in Florida and we don't want to think they're insured, but oh my god. They could be gone We oh my god. Can you take it? I was like yeah, I'm taking my house So for a year and a half I had these Not the barbarian when you were just the one with a source.

2:00:19Yeah, I had that one in my oh my god So I would have everyone who came to South by Southwest or was just in town that coming to my house and making pizza and we would just stare And rule over the frizzettas those and now I mean so much as a kid to be an illustrator. Yeah, those the the frizzetta paintings and Some of the drawings from the the graphic novels that people had made of these inspired me so much as a kid It's just it was dream imagery like yeah, fantasy, you know, it would just feel like we dreamt this too and recognize Yes, and every young kid want to I wish I was Conan. Yeah, you know skinny little kid and you're going like is that what I'm interviewing?

2:00:58I know I hate we're 11 I had that kind of So cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I don't know if you read read these books, but they were based on Miss comics They were based on the books that would just translate the books Um, there was a comics code so the Conan the barbarian comic had to follow code But then there's a black and white magazine Called savage sword of Conan. Oh, I know I have to follow the code right that's why people would get killed and they would just and right time is we just like take the book and put the book in several chapters Yeah, they were brutal. They're really great. Yeah, that's what science grew up without drawing out of that learning how to draw an ademy from the Conan The Marvel comics were fun, but they were this was still under marvel, but it wasn't under the code because it was considered a magazine That's what I'm saying like the Marvel comics were fun, but they weren't right right there They weren't brutal because they had a comics code.

2:01:46Yeah, because they're comic -sized by doing a magazine. Yes, they got around it See if you can find the savage Yeah, I don't get savage sort of Conan number one. I think there it is Where he's where he's nailed to the cross. That's a Boris Viego. Oh, this is a great Another one. Oh, he came out and came out later in the 70s. So this is a great present for Zeta story um Several of his paintings when you see them They're not very big a lot of times because they were for paperbacks So they didn't have to be that big, but then there were some like in the early 70s that were big silver warrior At the rest of the core and I asked for Zeta.

2:02:20I said what what was this era here because a lot of these were in the 60s What's these seven this these four bigger ones you didn't what was that for you? Oh, they were saying I was washed up That was finished It's because Boris Viego was coming down. They're like oh, he's the new for Zeta. So I did one two three four beauties shut him all up Yeah So cool It also you could feel sexual or something you could You know, I love his outfit. You could almost feel the model in it You don't miss you can almost see that there was a model he was painting from what was very cool But it was a different feeling.

2:02:59Yeah, for Zeta was more raw very raw More svelel it was it was great. I mean he's doing the for Zeta style. I mean, yes I mean, you know, for Zeta was the Jimmy Page of art. Everybody would ride So everyone couldn't you couldn't unsee for Zeta's work when you were doing your work. I mean, this is band -ape Yeah, just do man -ape again. He's doing man -ape in a different version of it But you know, I drew a lot of things that were like that like a different version of for Zeta stuff Everybody did, but yeah, I was more of a for Zeta guy than a Boris Viego guy I loved it. It was great. I was happy that it was Like the one where he's crucified of the cross that's pretty dope that was pretty dope And the one the far bottom left is the first issue of Savage Sword That one was really cool.

2:03:40Yeah, I thought that was cool Yeah, but not it doesn't come close to you know, no, it's just for Zeta just had a it was more I think it's because of that process. It was just the way he did him. Yes, they were just they were just met There's some magic to them. You know, show you a couple of things that will blow you when you see him in person But the in -person thing will really floor you just how much even the best books cannot capture The art as it exists. I saw your gym your gym is awesome. I thought I had the best gym You've got a great gym, but I got one thing you don't got you got to come see what I don't have mirrors up You don't have mirrors on purpose.

2:04:18It's because I just have The original juice -truising painting For first blood Stallone. Oh wow because it's got glass over it You can kind of see yourself in it, but I just stand in front of that go. I'm not there yet. I'm not there That's my experience good for Just say for form. It's I can kind of see the form, but That's my mirror when you come. It's the it's the Stallone painting and that's one that one see like that one But it doesn't it doesn't capture it the painting at all Even this digital copy of it like look at the original poster of it with it has the writing on it The way they printed it was like ass Yeah, look at that thing.

2:04:59It does so when you see the original one you're like, oh my god. This is like fine art And that's still doesn't capture it, but it's closer than the than the poster But there's something about seeing the actual physical thing see the real thing So inspiring and then you see the physique that he has you're just like, okay, I'm gonna work harder That's in my gym. So you gotta check that out. I've got a photo Alexander Corrella and out there that's my photo to remind me every day what I'll pussy I am his Alexander Corrella and who's like the greatest Olympic wrestler to ever come out of Russia Uh, there's a photo that show pull up the photo that we have in the gym He was a freak they called him the science project because his parents were like five foot five And he was like six two three hundred pounds and just it was built like a panther.

2:05:39Look at that. That's him. Oh, jeez That's the picture that that picture up in the gym. That's my inspiration every day workout Because he was just such a fucking physical freak and it's just that particular image that that intensity If I'm ever tired, I look at that image. What's your what's your work? I routine often you get to work out I work out every day. Yeah Basically every first thing Occasionally, I feel like I'd need a day off. I'll take a day off But uh, yeah first thing in the morning. Yeah, that's the thing get up get going Cobb website ahead. Well, it's like you said like you decide I'm an athlete I sort of decide I'm This person who gets up and gets in the cold plunge first thing in the morning right on this person that does these two and a half hour workouts Then gets in the sauna.

2:06:25That's what I do. So every day. I do the thing this might inspire some people like So I don't have a trainer, but I'll look at like I like watching other people see what they do in their routine So I adopt some of that. I saw Josh Brolin all freaking in shape for the Deadpool movie and I was like dude to text him What is your workout? Could you tell me? Oh, send it to you. You sends me a PDF of his whole workout routine that there You know the trainers are giving it. It's intense. It was like okay if I do one fourth of this I'll have a quarter of his results I'm fine with that because I'm kind of out of this shit to do anyway So I would be in and out there half hour I'm you know, so you don't have to Commit all the way, you know if you if you as long as you're doing something you're getting up and you're moving and you're working out And you're doing it very strategically If you don't have a lot of time there's no excuse you can make you can get a lot done a lot of time Sure, I'm at a time.

2:07:14Yeah, I was parametrained or something Three minutes in between each one you get a work done during you certainly can you try and in fact There was a study that just came out recently that showed that you get more results from one set to failure Then you do with three sets. Yeah, sometimes I would then just keep holding the bar after I was done Just like for 10 more seconds Yeah, there was some study see if you could find this it was a very recent study It was very counterintuitive because a lot of people think more work better results right but this In this study they were showing that they got more strength gains and more muscle recruitment in one Hard set to failure A lot of counter intuitive stuff.

2:07:56Yeah, I like when I hear stuff like that. I try it You know, I just roll it into the routine. You give it a try. Yeah, because you know, no, it's you know No, it's gonna work for you. There's no one right way to do anything So I try to get advice and and adopted and I have this funny Salon once you have your head salon on the show. No, great interview If I best have an interview on the directors chair is him because it's the most one that any layman could identify with like I really is rocky His story is unbelievable and he's really funny And I heard him before for the UFC. He called me And said if he asked of an actor friend of mine could be in one of the expendables.

2:08:30He's like My actor felt to do a quick can you ask what's his name? You know friend was Yeah, I'll ask my friend my friend goes. Oh, no, it's too short notice, you know Because it was last minute replacement. I need to get in shape. Okay, it makes sense But but it's not a physical role. You just want to know that I wouldn't want to be in a salon moving up being shapes I have to get in shape and I don't have enough time You know, it's gonna shoot in a week So I go to slide as he slide. Yeah, he said you know figure it slide would understand. Yeah, he has to get in shape Get in shape Get in shape.

2:09:03You don't get in shape stay in shape You gotta stay in shape Of Stallone walking around Malibu looking like he's nine months pregnant. Have you seen that photo? I know he did that for a movie. It's probably for Empire for Copeland. He gave me for Copeland. He's recent It was like within a lot of years now 70 and no excuses No excuse I had shape Staying shape. Yeah, that dude Such a great interview because I've watched the Rocky movies. You know when it was last time you saw the rocket Yeah, it is study finds higher training volume increases size not strength. Oh, this isn't it No, this is in May of 2024.

2:09:41It was very recently It was about one set Doing one set to failure shows Strength and muscle recruitment benefits over three sets Um Yeah, so we I mean, I don't know when the last time we saw the rocket here it is new research says you could build strength and muscle with single set training Now this isn't it either May might be December 2024. It might be it So just one hard set practice size delivers impressive results. We actually at least try that. Yeah Get out get in and out. They were saying it actually works better. So maybe this is another Because I read it just a couple of days ago. It doesn't matter.

2:10:21We get it So but that is also very countertuitive. Yeah, because most people think Oh, it's all about the amount of time you spend. It's having a pressure What I do a lot of different Exercises in one I do full body workouts almost entirely a very rare it's in less one day a week I do heavy leg stuff worth just legs You know because the leg there's so many muscles of the legs I don't you know when I want to make sure that I'm doing that It takes too much time. Yeah, because I'm doing leg curls and leg presses and lunges and it's like keep them I can't do other stuff too But I like working out by myself Yeah, I'm training because it's time to think yeah, time to really know what is it?

2:11:04Yeah, and you work in the body and the body and you get an idea and I keep my computer there and I write down ideas. Oh nice. Did you You know, did you see the I was watching the Rocky movies again? And I was like watch the first one showed to my lady she loved it So I said we gotta watch the second one watch the second one the next time we watch the third one I finally we got to the fourth one was okay. Oh, she I'm gonna write still. Oh, so dude you were consistently moving that character through the different eras and You need to go back to directing Because he when I worked with him he'd done a bunch of movies in the night He's and he was telling me why the movies didn't work.

2:11:40I said you gotta go back to directing no one was at your level directing yourself getting career best side of your other actors While you're also not just the star but the franchise and being in insane shape back then Which was way before anyone knew anything about training You were probably in the gym much longer than you needed to be and he said very presumptive I was like you probably were away over training because then people didn't know there were no science to it back then Right and getting all that work done So how can you work with another director now? Have their respect you got to go back to directing Because you can't argue with the result and he was like Okay, come back to the right.

2:12:16Well, we did this movie together. It was his biggest opening Ever my spike his 3D Two years later our year later he goes. I'm writing another rocky and that was that new rocky He he hadn't directed in 22 years. Whoa. He went back to directing and writing Did rock another rocky another Rambo and then a whole new franchise expendables Crazy like for your career back like that did stunts and expendables and broke his fucking ass But because he went back and that's sometimes you know, that's the key to success is yeah late 60s And I say yeah, he's doing his own stunts. It's harder to go do it all yourself But look you can't argue with the results look at the results you got back then I'm so glad he went back to it because it inspires me all over you So it's a great you know, I'm sure you've done that someone that really inspired you and you oh no no Who are your heroes that you got to inspire back in some way?

2:13:07And then you're just like oh my god It's they inspired me so that I could be here for them when they needed to hear that to go on It was like all part of the universe of that creativity You know you're you're just one who goes whispers in there here another one with him because he inspired me You know so many times was I started working with my kids more. It's very counterintuitive Like I don't know if you work with your kids or whatever plan to work with your kids But I would say to anybody if you have an opportunity to work with your kids take it because when I was like And I turned 50 I thought I guess I could keep making movies.

2:13:37It's been good to me I guess I could just make more. I mean I was way into it. You know when I was younger and my it's been good to me But I said I bet there might be another job I can take That with the knowledge I have I could probably make just as much money or something I don't even know what jobs exist. I got this job when I was 21 So I got jobs for dummies and I saw like The jobs were oh, I want that job. I want that job And then I get to filmmaker and has a little icon of a guy He has a hands up like this and it says this is the best job Just make movies with your friends sit back watch the money roll in but 99 % of film students can't get this job So give it up so what I actually got the best job so I stick with it, but it still wasn't enough Desire until I made that $7 ,000 movie with my kids And they got so into it and I realized that's my next 10 years.

2:14:26I'm gonna work my kids. I'm gonna make them all Work on movies because I it's not about making movies about life lessons It's huge huge project that you have to you don't know how you're gonna get through even the day much less the project But that's life. It's like I felt so good afterward saying You know the process now if I get hit by a bus you guys are gonna be fine Is it's just like the movies the story of life is just like the stories we make up you go get your plan together Which is kind of like your script you attack it trying to make it as bullet proof as possible go for your goal Whether it's building a comedy club or whatever watch it all fucking fall apart And then that's when you roll up your sleeves turn chicken shit to chicken salad The finished results way better than your original vision wash rinse repeat that's life It's a microcosm of how life works.

2:15:12I made them work on the movies and I did this manifesting thing my son said why I'd like to do a VR movie So let's make a company together. We'll call it double -r. You all have double -r names double -r company watch I'm gonna show you this how this works I did this with brass knuckle films which is creating a label double -r I'll be on logo and I made t -shirts and little notepads and they got way into it Because now that we have a company you have to do stuff to fill the company So we'll call the VR company and say you all need to sell hitsets give us some money to make a movie We'll make you a movie we did one with Michelle Rodriguez and Norman Reedus called the limit That had the they made us a big double -r logo in the front that was like in March later that year we made that $7 ,000 movie that also had the double -r logo Then I went to Netflix and they said could you make us a spy kids type thing that always does well So I thought okay, I kind of came up with in the room.

2:16:00I thought little kids superheroes So I have to save their superhero parents. That's we can be heroes another double -r movie my kids wrote it with me It's the most watched and re -watched movie in Netflix history Nothing can touch it kids cannot stop watching because there's little kids superheroes. No one's ever done that before and my kids are like Dad Do really works this thing and I was like shit better than I thought I was just I was just making an example But that's that's how it happens right like it feels predestined But also you're like let me just show you how it works and you go to show someone an example and that becomes your bread and butter And so I just tell people If you have an opportunity to work with your kids You're mentoring them they're mentoring you because they're the age I was when I was making Mariachi in Disparado They got so many great ideas And you're taking on this big project that's teaching them about life and because you're both in the same boat You both know what it's gonna take And it's family times.

2:16:55So you're like checking all the boxes and I was telling this to slide. I was so excited back in new 2019 and his wife Jennifer was like You don't work with your daughters. She hits him. You don't work with your daughters And he's like I should dial the story back I was so evangelical about it, but I get people in trouble But they couldn't in here in the next year the daughters went on daughter podcast and he would show up for once a while to like get Brains up now they have a TV show second season families still on they're all working together They're all living the best life So I tell anybody who listens because it's something I stumbled upon because it's very counterintuitive Because you would think of a workmate make me a kid doesn't that look like privilege or whatever So tell you this what happens when we die Don't you just give everything that you've created over your life to your kids because they have your last name They weren't a part of it If you have a chance to work with them and build it with you You have that next -level mentorship Relationship don't just parent because after a while.

2:17:54What's the other teens? I don't really need you chip pedowing over them Partner with them. Mm -hmm. Become their mentor. They're OB -1 and they mentor you back It gives them such a boost in confidence when they teach you some shit And you'll have that next level experience that way when you pass on you give them the stuff to go Yeah, I made this with my dad. That's great advice So I tell people especially when you do something like you do that's Well, you know, that's a what you have that you find your version of you know like not everybody can necessarily work with it But you have an opportunity to do it because it's like this thing that you were saying about jobs for dummies 99 % of people are not going to be able to do this.

2:18:25Well, that's the thing. It's like what yeah, but it's possible It is possible and part of the 99 % not gonna do it because they don't know anybody who's done it right That's part of the problem I see like oh look how we did this he just did I think I could he told me how he made El Maraachi I think it can be done that wasn't taught in film schools. I was completely again They don't teach you they teach you how to do one job right so that you can go pull cables on someone else's movie My thing was like be the owner be the creator be everything and you cut the line It's only you're at the film festival, but you know and no one has really done that nobody had done that before It was the first time that's why even when I was doing it.

2:19:03I was like I Kind of have the idea this can do it because I did that short film and I'm doing the math, but somebody must have done this already even when the studio in the book it shows Even when the studios were flying me up because they saw Maraachi when I did a deal with me I went I've never heard of anyone getting the business like this This must happen all the time where they find some filmmaker student They win and die in them and then you never hear from him again because I've never heard a story like this And I was the first one. That's why that's why it was really crazy And I didn't even want them to release it I didn't want them to release it because it was my my my practice film.

2:19:38I just threw it away They said wasn't everything one take one take because I was shooting on film And if I shot two takes of everything I Double my budget because most of the money went to the film I wrote the script around everything I already had so I wouldn't have to buy anything So it's like well, what do we have we took stock in what we have and this is a lesson for life Like if you think you can't do anything Look around you got a lot of resources. It's about being resourceful We have a turtle we found we have a dog we've got a ranch Your brother -in -law has a school line I mean a bus line with bar one of the buses when you see what we do with a bus he crashes into it You have some bar.

2:20:15Let's write everything around that So we just have that and if I shoot two takes we double their budget How about this shoot one take of everything? I know not everything's gonna come out So I'm doing everything myself. I'm pulling focus. I might meter it wrong. Who knows? But I don't want to shoot a safety take or it's gonna double a budget We'll go home after I finish shooting the whole movie I'll see what stuff didn't come out and I'll go just re -shoot that Of course you get home and you're I'm not gonna fucking go back to Mexico. Re -shoot anything I'll just figure out a way to edit around all the stuff that didn't come out not everything came out But um, yeah, it was merely just Following your nose and I know it was gonna work Somebody must have thought to do this already, but no one had ever done that before because it's so kind of intuitive you're told But that's how movie started you know You think back in the old days Charlie Chaplin and a guy behind the camera doing this They didn't have 200 people it turned into a business just like with comedy and it turns into a business to where you think That's the art form.

2:21:04That's not the art form That's the business of the art form the original art form is you buy yourself doing it. This is how by myself. I was It was like You got one guy here now, right? Because you have all these digital cameras. I had one camera and I had the sound and I can't do it at the same time Because this camera sounds like this Really not noisy and it sounds like all your money is going away. So I had no slates. I would just so run the guys starts running Stop filming Cut you know, like I would just shoot my little pieces like this much after I would do a whole scene one take one take one take one take one take one take put the camera down Get the microphone really close to them like that.

2:21:45Okay, say all your lines again Pick up the glass again do all that stuff again. What kind of name by hand? So because they're not you by hand it's right to sink into the mouth So when they're not because they're not non actors a lot of times Like repeat what you just said wait, so you cut it by hand it it would match Yeah, and if it didn't match I would cut away to the dog or to the knife or the other person That's why it's got a really fast cutting style which became my cutting style was just to get him back and sink Because I didn't want it to look like a low -budget rubbery lip thing But if you watch it you see them and sink it every time they're on screen they're in sync and then as they start to go out of sync It cuts and then it cuts back But this is about being resourceful, but it saved me a ton of money Doing it that way and it made it actually interesting to watch more interesting to watch.

2:22:33Yeah. Oh, so anyway, so I originally I didn't have any ideas. I was gonna make three of these movies before making my serious American independent film but my first movie I gave it to an agent in a Los Angeles and he said I can get you work off this right now. It was a writer director and I went writer director Not a writer. Well, I guess I wrote this script but I guess that makes me a writer again. I didn't know how to own Yeah, so you just got to say you're right. I still thought well, I I'd even have written a movie I didn't consider myself a writer. Yeah, that's that's the shit we do to ourselves, right?

2:23:05So I said okay, so he sent it around all these studios were flying me up It's in the book. It's just crazy how fast it happened and they were offering me these deals because they saw that I went and did something That's why you just got to go make something because people are sometimes they're so impressed that you even did anything Most people never start and they went wow And I thought well, it's actually a good calling card now if you like the cinematography. I did that hire music caravan If you like the editing and I did that hire me as an editor But they hire me as a writer director and I said they say what movie do you want to do?

2:23:33Oh, this all happens so fast. I didn't I didn't really have a chance to think about I was gonna do three of these Practice films and then make a real one so But you like mariachi. Why don't we remake that and they said with that cantonia benderism. Okay, okay but I didn't smile. I liked it the girl dies So we're gonna screen this version that you have now to an audience So we screen into an audience and they liked it the way it was So they said we're gonna take this just some film festival. So I said no don't show this movies my practice movie Literally no one's supposed to see this one they go no, no, you got something really special I said no do I'm telling you I can do much better than that.

2:24:07Give me two thousand dollars. I'll go we shoot have it just knowing that People are gonna see it now do completely differently And they go you got something they're smarter. Mark canton there said you got something really special here We're gonna take it to the festivals and we won Sundance Because I made it for myself because it was a real lesson in that like if I was trying to think about what all the audience Was gonna want to see I would have changed so many things Because I knew no one was gonna see it. It's probably the only movie in history ever made where people were guaranteed not to see it Just by the title I titled it that way so nobody would see it I didn't want anybody to see it.

2:24:39I wanted to just throw it away in practice I figured maybe the third one one might might be the better one You know like that advice throw three scripts away and then do a four Well, I'm gonna throw three movies away so that by the fourth I'm So savvy know how to film and do all these things this first practice one's not gonna be it That's the one that's gonna be it. So commit to a body of work throw shit away Don't put don't be precious about it. Just go make it don't blink when people criticize it And just keep going make a body work. That's it. That's that's the secret and that's the secret to life too Just keep just keep trying to make it the best that is phenomenal advice and coming from a person like you that it's accomplished so much It's so resonant That's why I accomplished it by doing those things which everybody can do It's not because I'm I'm not that smart.

2:25:22I'm telling you not that smart It's just follow your instincts like you've done When you follow your instinct you let the universe do all the talking and I saw this sounds wonky But I just call it that because it is from some other place and you're just an instrument you're just a pipe Yes, the soul that gets into your body and you realize that when you have kids I don't know if you had that experience as soon as I had my first kid I was like this isn't my kid You can just tell it's not my kid I mean it has physical characteristics and maybe mannerisms in my walk But there's another soul in here that's from some other place And each one is so different.

2:25:55Yeah five kids and I have from nine siblings They're they're from different planets right and so you realize that the soul Is on a communication level with some other thing that our human bodies are just very primitive To do so when we get a voice We can't tell if it's come from the universe if it's for our own mind Or if it's just because it all sounds like fucking Morse code Because the brain is so primitive. It's a three pound meat computer. So I can't remember right? It's like we're limited by the body our soul got put into just like we'd be limited if we're putting a fish Because they got even smaller brain.

2:26:31They you know, and he's the only go forward and backwards That's why a lot of people say you have to learn how to get out of your own way Because you're you think I'm so limited. Yeah, but you actually Also, maybe you don't and maybe you're cocky in which is equally bad Yeah, because that's beginning your own way in a different way. Yeah, it's a false It's a false before you think I can do anything because I'm just so cool You can do anything because you're just a pipe Be that and then you'll see much more flow happening. Yeah, yeah, you'll see things just falling in your lap Yeah, don't think about you at all.

2:27:03Yeah, get you out of it. It's not you have to be very humble It's a very humbling thing the more humble you are The more shit happens not just for you, but everyone around you being creative and I figure this out like when you're There's a book called the one thing a business book called one thing like do one thing and just do that well Okay, that book's not for me When I was doing this talk where they introduced me and said rubber trees is a writer director editor Compilers are just long list of all the jobs I do and I went up there like wow that I get tired just hearing that list and I Keep seeing that book the one thing and I thought At first I thought that's not me, but I realized you know what I don't just do all those things.

2:27:40There's one thing. I really do The ties all those together when you think about it. I do one thing and it's I live a creative life And if you commit to live in a creative life like literally applying creativity everything you do your workout in the morning How you interact with your kids the meal you cook what you're gonna do that night a business call you take be creative I love my business meetings now the most I make people pizza I make them my chocolate We talk about creativity and they want to be in business with you It's like so good because you're adding creativity it enriches your life and everyone around you And that way anything that touches creativity whether it's painting drawing sculpture music is Available to you because what 90 % of that job is just being creative and if you're doing it all day You're always going to be in a flow if you don't embrace that and you go about your daily life and you don't apply creativity Well, when you go home that night to write your novel or something you're going to be blocked because you're not in a creative flow But if you just been applying creativity all day long to everything I'm gonna take I'm gonna do this talk Creatively, I'm gonna bring some cards.

2:28:40I'm gonna go do this, you know, you're applying creativity You're always in a flow So when you go back to go do your main job You're in you're already been doing it and you're living your best life because I found out was most successful Happiest and most fulfilled when I was being creative So I want to just do that 24 -7 and it's been a life changer It's been doing that like 15 years with consciousness like consciously say Because people don't like to say they're creative like when I ask you creative and Lexing this Yeah, you know like stumbled because people think being an artist means you have to have the mustache and the hat And it's like no artists are regular people and regular people are flawed And that's why you relate to something that they do because It's flawed if you made it perfect they couldn't relate to it Because you know your flawed and if you think of it that way you go why can create flawed stuff I can do that all day long and then that gets out of your way because then somebody who comes to you And they go really love that part where the explosion is oh well That was an accident because I didn't get what I really wanted and I had to make this work and that was an accident They like those acts they they respond to those accidents in a big way Because they're from another universe.

2:29:42They're they're the part that's magic The part you didn't know in the part you couldn't have predicted And so if you set up I I purposely make my budgets smaller and my shooting schedules shorter So that those more of that stuff happens because that's the stuff people will relate to and it gives you complete creative freedom Like you have a lot of creative freedom here I probably the director who's worked with the most outcast ostracized or People who are considered difficult than any other filmmaker mainly because I'm independent And I don't have to listen to a studio if they're like oh you can't work with that person So like Mel Gibson Couldn't get a job back when I hired him on I'm just always a big fan of his always like a creativity first and talent first Bullshit controversy and not even distance like it is not even considered And I get to work these amazing people Steven Segal Charlie Sheen Lindsay Lohan and then people who were considered difficult were like Michael Parks I got this from Quinn Michael Parks was in Dustal Donnie's the sheriff at the beginning The Texas Ranger Quentin said man, I love this guy Michael Parks He was gonna be the next James Dean had a show on TV in the 70s called then came Bronson But then he kind of got difficult for people to work with and so he was relegated to these Low -budget grindhouse folks, but check him out.

2:30:58He's always really great. I want to put him in Dustal Don But here he's my difficult to work with you work with him first And if he's great to work with I'll work with him. He was like, all right, sure. So I work with him. He's a dream. It's amazing He was really great and no bullshit of all the people Like that and then we both kept putting him in movies Mickey work was considered Couldn't work. Can you couldn't get a job? I gave him one spot of time. When one of time met him I was like, oh my god. He's just like Mickey The old days, you know, Quentin. I actually wanted him in Dustal Donne We both wanted Mickey work in the lead role, but he Retired from acting.

2:31:32He was just boxing. He even wanted to look at the scripts We're like, oh man, we can hire Mickey work and there's no Mickey work now. We're so bummed But then years later I went back to him and no one was hiring him So I met with him. I thought, okay, I'll meet with him. It's like all these shit He still has that charm and everything So I put him in give him a small role once upon a time, Mexico and I kept riding them more scenes He was broke. I mean, I gave him money to go buy his own suits because he always dressed to the nines in his movies It's like like I'm all out of time costume designing this thing I'll give you some money Go buy your own clothes you you're always gonna dress he came with these Billy Martin suits and stuff as I'm gonna put a bullet hole in the back of one digitally Just so you can keep because he wanted to keep the clothes that you can keep the clothes Thanks brother and then I put him in Sin City and I re -launched his career But he was always a dream to work with and I would hear from people later Oh, he's been difficult again.

2:32:22I was like really so I come back again. No again 100 % of the time I've never had any difficulty with even the difficult ostracized one So it makes you think and you know that because you have anybody you want on your show But it makes me wonder what environment are you putting them in right then make something like that Because like somebody would say that about Redgar Howard was amazing hard to work with really no I didn't it all but for some people I don't know but somebody told me love him and stuff blade runner. Oh, it's your Bruce Willis people would tell me was difficult to work with Bruce I worked with him four times let me tell you this is what Bruce is like when he walks in the set Hey, heavy.

2:33:03What's going on man? Heavy means boss. Does that sound like somebody who's difficult. That's gonna be somebody who's just so happy Uh One time I was doing this Kobe Bryant Nike commercial. I was gonna be in with Kobe. I was directing it And I was working out at the gym where Still own works out Gunner Peterson's Jim and Bruce was there and I was trying to get an actor to do a cameo in this commercial It's shooting that weekend. I was working out because I was gonna be on camera and so then I go to Bruce and I go Hey, what are you up to? He goes? I'm just looking for a job and I said Well, you basketball fan so I'm shooting a Kobe Bryant commercial Saturday What what you come by this set it's downtown you play this role bring bring a couple of suits because very last minute But last minute replacement Yeah, yeah, sure I would love to meet him.

2:33:51Okay, good. So Went back to the Nike people said Bruce said he's gonna be in it. Well college agents I don't call his agents because he probably didn't tell him and he said he'll come down I think he will because he's cool like that Well, we think we should call him anyway. So they call the agency agents go Bruce Willis is not gonna be in a Nike commercial Well, he talked to robbering. Oh, okay. I guess he is gonna be So then we're down there in the set. We're downtown LA. We're filming Kobe. We're filming everything else and it's like almost time for him to show up And they're like he sure he's gonna come so he said he would he said he'd bring two suits Now I'm thinking how ridiculous that sounds that I told him And said come down with a couple of your suits from your own closet like there's no wardrobe But there's no time to get a wardrobe fitting and just show up You shows up shows up does it so I'll film you out in an hour.

2:34:36You guys know how we work together It had a great time. He's great in it Takes off brought his two suits That's amazing. It does not sound like somebody who's difficult now It's the environment that you put these people totally the environment you put them in because I was watching like a dog whisper And it's like if you have a pit bull Some of these guys can be alpha male pit bull if you put them in a situation where aggression is needed like if you have a chaotic set And producers are coming down going. Yeah, no, you can't wear that you can't talk like that. Of course you're gonna piss these guys off But if you put them in an environment where they know there's somebody who's a boss.

2:35:09I mean they show up it's my studio I'm operating the camera. I'm the DP I'm there acting with them We're shooting it in record time getting them out of their fast. They're having a ball People just wants to follow. He doesn't want to he doesn't want if I can take over the show And so they're always really that's my theory on it anyway. I think it's just the environment because they always say oh If you have a dog is misbehaving, it's the owner It's the owner and the environment is not the dog. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with the animal the animal is fine The animal could be very calm and assertive and even submissive.

2:35:42Well, it's also these exceptional actors with his eccentric personalities They're oftentimes like if you put them in a bad environment You're gonna get a fucking terrible result because it's part of what they are is like a little bit of chaos Well, also just gonna have to protect themselves. Yes, you have to protect themselves of this of this environment is fucked up It's not a type of guy that told you that like wait wait you filmed this and you didn't get the rights. Yeah Those are the guys that are gonna drive you up a wall Exactly I remember I talked to mix I'd heard you know you've been trouble on some so maybe maybe he's had got big trouble So I said what was wrong?

2:36:19You know everything had to be what Mickey wanted to say what Mickey wanted to wear what Mickey wanted to do So okay, well maybe maybe he's gone back to us. I'm I'm about to work with him again. So he comes no, he's a dream again So I'd be on a go man you always bring it brother. What? You always bring it. It's just so great to see you know some people you deserve it most people don't deserve it Because he remembers I gave him a shot back so I was like hey, he didn't give me any shit Maybe he gives it to people shit, but that's awesome Listen brother. I've really enjoyed this I don't know man. I have to bring it to the studio a lot of things I want to see the studio, but I think a lot of things you said it really gonna help a lot of people Yeah, hopefully hopefully because it's been helpful to me to then tell people and then the feedback loop They tell me back something I said, but they morphed it into something new Like they've added their own thing to it And I go that's not what I told you.

2:37:10Oh, we've added to it. No ship and now now I'm taking your advice For my advice my kids do that all the time they go and all comes back to what you taught is dad What was that what did I tell you that one time you said you know Basically like the glass is half full half empty. Oh, okay, but I didn't tell you all this other stuff Where'd that come from oh we added to it since like well shit. That's the cool part. Yeah, my son got on Was a Japanese knife maker, you know, his teens. He just wanted to get into Japanese like this is a guy from another lifetime You know different you obviously knew this was his path That's when you know it's a soulboard in there didn't get that from me Making these Japanese style knives selling them for like a thousand dollars or pop by timing was 18 He got on that show forging a fire and one and I was like How did you you didn't even know how to use mostly equipment they gave you get ten thousand dollars?

2:37:57Why did you what was your mindset? He said I imagined I had won already somehow I had won And so when I'd come up against a challenge that I wasn't sure how I'd get by I just had to remember what I did to get by it rather than try to be freaked out about it. I was like whoa It's some freaking samaray shit All right, this you've obviously been in another life before to come in armed with that I didn't learn that for me is like well, it's kind of like no, that's nothing like that anything I ever told you wow So the feedback loop when you share with people I love people coming and telling me hey I was one inspired by your book and you said this I'm like I don't remember saying that in the book.

2:38:36I think you added to it a lot It triggered something in you and we all keep compiling our ideas Yeah, we all are more interested in everybody else's perspective because we all have our own relationship to creativity in the universe Yeah, and the more you interact with things the more you contribute But come be in a brass knuckle film. This sounds like right up reality. Let's do Conan and her Forzaida something you gotta come see that I can't wait to see you because you'd be great. I can already tell you I got a great part for you Where you will knock it out. I will talk. Yeah, it was on thank you very much.

2:39:08Thanks. It was awesome. I'm really appreciate. All right All right Creativity in the universe. Yeah, and the more you interact with things the more you contribute But come be in a brass knuckle film. This sounds like right up reality. Let's do Conan or forzaida something That comes to that. Definitely. I can't wait to see you. You'd be great. I can already tell you I got a great part for you Where you will knock it out. I will talk. Yeah, it was on thank you very much. Thanks. It was awesome. I really appreciate it. All right