#2312 - Jeremy Renner

42:14What did they have? I think that's it before injury. It's that for anybody right also elevation I mean eight thousand feet elevation and Tahoe So all the things aren't really kind of helping to my recovery But my body will respond in those oxygen depleted environments and all that stuff So maybe it did help maybe it didn't I don't know But I did most of my initial recovery in LA and then when I could I got out to Tahoe to be in my sort of happy place In nature. Do they have to reconstruct your knees to do no no none of that they they they support There's cracks in my ankles and my foot spun around I have full times a spiral fracture my my leg So they had to hit a rod down into my knee and they had to screw it screw it, you know with plates and all that stuff so I didn't sure I just move those things So I don't know doesn't it wasn't full like reconstruction like people get a new knee or a new hip It was just a lot of breaks my pelvic book broken three spots my hips You know, but you don't fix that you even said you broke your asshole.

43:15I'm like that. Is that what you say as a doctor? Is that how you say it? Come on I think I think there's another word for everything I Think you was trying to make me laugh and I did And Eric makes you laugh to think you broke everything Jeremy even broke your ass. I'm like all right And so So you've gone through the 12 hour now you're in like this 12 hour Yeah, so that summer at summertime. Yeah, so I gotta do like just Life stuff and that was that was really my first shot at Allowing myself to think that there's a future and I'm not gonna live a life of full -time recovery for the rest of my life I said, oh, I can actually go do it some other things that I enjoy doing with people in kind of a normal way So I was without a came without anything by the time by June and summer came around so I'm moving around I'm moving around with you know Information and getting downstairs very slowly, but as you would as long as you're patient as I was as aggressive I was with my recovery.

44:29I allowed patients to also live within that aggressive Attack on each joint or each inflammation wherever it was. I do allow patients and Because I allow myself to push hard hard hard hard. I listen to my body. But I says fuck off. I'm like all right I'll chill out for a second and then you know Keep going so but I got to live life and that was so so rewarding to My spirit and my my confidence which you know you need and that kind of those kind of dire times and and keep going And then like I said when we got to back getting back to work because I got so ready Maybe I'm down to like four hours a day of recovery by the end of that first year I'm like I'm going back to work.

45:11I need to get back out into the world and Use Life is as my recovery and still only spend four hours a day on Hyperbaric chamber or red light whatever I heck I could do to I mix it all up. It's a bunch of different stuff A lot of heat a lot of vibration power plate stuff. That was really great for numbing the nerve endings My back of my knees back of my Encles that kind of stuff and whoever you've used that stuff for no like what are you what are you doing? I used to have this thing God was it call it was a thing you stand on it. It's like it would shake you Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Slow it down make it fast Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that really was great for numbing like the back of my knees that really still ache and back of my ankles Just so it's not quite so sensitive Hmm.

45:59I don't know if it floods the nerve endings with blood or whatever that could does But it just kind of numbs it out and I can go to sleep on it's great beautiful I used to have one of those in my house in LA. I don't even remember what it's called now It was just some machine. It had a bunch of different programs. Yeah. Yeah, it's power plate It's probably a power plate. Well power plate. I think is the one that you work out on you can Yeah, yeah, yeah, this one was a little different this one was just it would just shake you had a bunch of different frequencies Oh interesting you would stand on it and it was supposed to Just do a bunch of stuff for your your hormones and endocrine system and all sorts of different stuff Just by the vibration.

46:37Yeah, yeah, yeah, it helps me a lot interesting for sure and Oh, you doing sauna and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I use I use just the red light bed You sweat like but it's a shape like a like a coffin. Yeah, like a chanting bed one Yeah, no, it's just effective. I think as though you're going to the sauna I just doesn't take so long to heat up or anything is getting that thing and cook Amazing and you amazing that even like an LED like like that or infrared light could warm me up so much But it's intense. I love it and then after a while do you start lifting weights? Yeah, yeah, I started I started training as soon as I got The one I tested to do in blood work because my hormone my test awesome was a 200 my hemoglobin was it to Everything was just wrecked.

47:26Oh wrecked and I'm going back to work So I had to attack why I was falling asleep during workouts that I'm trying to do or whatever I'm trying they only scheduled to me leave me six hours a day on set Because I you know I fell asleep in the middle of a scene. Oh my god. They're like who's gonna wake that fuck her up Oh, man, so yeah, so I had to really work on that and once I got what's it really I think there's really the testosterone Once I got that level to like 700 800 constantly Did I had more energy and that allowed me more energy in the gym and once I had that that got me more energy That that so just started feeding upon itself.

48:03I was doing blood blood panels every week and Just saw progress progress progress and then I just started lifting and I had so much energy And I felt better the more I lifted and moved and stretched and I just get it just kept compiling just like most things in life And it got easier like most things With oxygen chamber that's better when you compile on it same with red light stuff Nothing nothing no one time at anything's gonna do anything But if you do it often enough and make it a central part of your life It's like oh, that was on fire. It's great. I started running and you can run now. Yeah.

48:35Yeah. Wow. Yeah for distance Yeah, I mean, I don't know how where I'm running to I was never a distance guy. It was always a sprinter, right? It was a sprinter from high school in college and Yeah, so does it hurt when you run it it feels like If you're if you have it you know if you're a bit in a car and you're on the freeway and has a little misalignment or Yeah, yeah, or you got a flat tire it feels like I got four flat tires running. It looks great. It looks like oh this guy's no problem with this guy Just boop boop boop boop and it feels like The wheels are gonna fall off. Wow mentally or something.

49:13It just it just feels like it's Because it's like it's it's a it's a lot of pressure to put on all these joints, right? Um I haven't sprinted Really much in a while. I haven't really worked on that. I've been working on other things, you know blood and Cells and that kind of stuff. So I mean sprinting is not you know, what am I doing? What am I gonna do? Sprint 54 of God's sake, you know, maybe like for you know like uh, cuz Can you do stunts and movies and Maybe at some point I'll have to sprint. I don't know or maybe not maybe just don't do that shit, you know Yeah, well, maybe you can though.

49:50I mean sure I can't I think you can already have Believe it. I just don't know if I want to make that a central part of you know the acting experience Maybe I yeah, well that'll be an absolutely phenomenal Turn around to go from where you were to going back to action films. Yeah, yeah to go play hockey or something Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'd be a good one identity. Yeah, that's that's tough That would be a tough one that would that's that was an excellent shape for that one That'll be a challenge. Yeah, I would imagine I Don't know do I want to tax my body? Yeah, I don't know Probably is it taxing your bonny or is it strengthening your body?

50:26Yeah, I don't know. I don't know Yeah, I don't know. I mean how many but how many miles can you get on this stuff, right? That's it's any of them Forever, I think it's permanent. I mean what you everything you have just Reinforced is the recovery of the bones, right? Yeah, yeah And then and then you just have a plate there that just keeps the bones in order. Yeah, and it's All the titanium in my body's useless at this point It did its job and the bones grown But so it just stays there now Is there an argument that the titanium hinders you at all? Oh? Oh, well, I mean it is foreign in foreign metal in your body You're not it's not rejecting it, but there is a point where it could You know just like allergies you know, there's some you don't get allergies sometimes for 40 years in your life And also long allergic to down they could reject it.

51:18Who knows you never know um I'll crush that bridge. I'm worried about today. I'm here with you. I'll wait about that shit later. It's just so impressive Yeah, it really is amazing. Yeah, it's it yeah because at any other time in history you're dead Yeah, yeah, any other time in history 20 years ago you're dead. Yeah, you're a goner 20 years ago It's insane right? It's amazing. Yeah, amazing. What a what a great blessing to have All those people that even that that the EMTs and all the people that were there that life saving stuff that did all this stuff that they had to do man It's so much You know, and I'm really known in that community especially in the EMTs and all that sort of stuff I've a lot of firefighter friends and all that stuff so it's just like a there You know, you're just getting a little extra juice and love from these people, you know, I got new One of my best friends is a firefighter in that area Jesse and he's just retired and he got the phone call from his buddy who had to like stab my chest and Release the pressure from the long and died.

52:17I like on the ice I'm like and he's one that says look dude Jesse Jeremy's isn't We did the best we could dude. You want to get the hospital? Wow, and that's like code for like You know he's gone. Yeah, yeah, but I I mean you but they're like, you know, I talked to them all later. I saw every nurse I saw every doctor went by every EMT even the pilot that flew me up there and just had to give everyone the biggest squeeze and apologize if I was a pain in the ass or whatever it was man It's that Reminds me of just why I'm back anyway and and what the only thing that you take with you and his love Yeah, the beginning of the audio book is your daughter.

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55:24Yeah, and I just don't sadly. I'm in I'm spinning rocks, you know people and capitalism stuff with things is I just don't I just feel like I belong But I do yeah, it's a lot of times I just don't feel like I fit into um Certain how things how things work or seem to work down or yeah, I just I just I just don't do things I don't give give value to I only do things that are valuable in my life. That's it That is it. I do nothing else. It is amazing how much time and energy people put into things that ultimately at the end of the life They're not valuable. Yeah, they don't mean anything. Yeah, and they occupy most of your thinking That's right or even your time or like your career.

56:10Uh -huh, right? Yeah, people do careers that they fucking hate Yeah, or they're in a marriage. He's fucking despised. It's all this stuff is being too much time doing what right? Why why why Does the fear because the fear get trapped and it's too difficult to get out and you know they get too deep and buried and into To some place that they get I don't paint themselves on a corner. You know, it's quite sad. Yeah, you know It is sad, but it's also I mean, there's an amazing example that you you can Shine to the rest of the world that Maybe people don't have to go through what you went through to realize That most of what you're thinking about all day especially if you're one of those people that's wrapped up in social media Most of the things you're thinking about all day are just nonsense.

57:00Yeah, just total nonsense Stealing your life. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's one of the reasons why I wrote the book is I hope there's things that That I learned and the gifts that I received from from passing and coming back and overcoming you know Huge obstacles and a lot of a lot of people couldn't identify with suffering and struggle Doesn't have to be a physical struggle, but you know There's it's a certain way to think and perspective that to work your way through it Yeah, because it is a lonely only place And I think there's something beautiful about the narrative of an author to a reader or even just audio Which is even more intense because you get the 911 call and kind of dramatic in that sense, but like it's pretty intimate and You can I think you can really move the needle for somebody yeah the more open and honest and vulnerable I am in sharing the narrative Though maybe more I have a chance at connecting with the reader or listener no doubt, you know This the thing is about when when you're in the middle of a struggle it never seems like you're gonna get out of it Yeah, you're trapped.

58:01Yeah, yeah, yeah, you feel it and so difficult for people to trust the process or to trust that it will get better And this is unfortunately why a lot of people end their lives because they do not think it's going to get better And the you hear it from so many people that almost took their life or failed when they tried to take their life And now realize oh my god, I was so wrong. It does get better. I am better everything's better And I just didn't see the light. I didn't see the light at the end of the tunnel. I thought there was There's just nothing but this feeling that I couldn't endure. Yeah, that hopelessness.

58:37Oh, yeah, that weighs heavy, didn't Oh You can't afford that you can't you can't give that power. You can't give that No, you can't. I think anybody can sink into that right anybody sink into that Anybody can see that it's just so hard for people that have never gone through something before if your life has been really easy Yeah, and then all of a sudden you're tasked with one of the most difficult burdens ever Overcoming the fear and that the the the the feeling of wanting to end life because you can't take it God been there. I mean Jesus Um, I I look I think people need to suffer It is an actual requirement of life and this is the fiber the DNA of love real love and true love and in perpetuity can't exist without suffering It's impossible.

59:35We don't appreciate it. Yeah, it's you have to have suffering and suffering doesn't have to be looked at as an Negative thing. It's it could be looked as a beautiful thing. It's where real love comes out of Yeah, you know all my suffering. There was real love in there Everyone around me just in this recovery Or in a loss I may have had from an uncle or a grandparent or whatever, you know There's there's real love that comes in that suffering, you know Even though it can be a lonely experience I mean I look at it that way and not as a negative terrible thing because it's just temporary And it's not It's counter intuitive.

1:00:11It's a negative term of it, right? But we all have to suffer Right, I mean, it's part of the human experience It's the Joe Rogan experience I'm not suffering. I'm having a great time with you But you know, I don't think people Welcome that or allow that to happen in their lives and let it be okay that the suffering that we suffer like that at the hard times are The building blocks to our to who we are the builds resilience. Yeah Yeah, yeah, it's all those things. Yeah, I remember one time. I mean, this is a minor suffering in comparison But one time I won on this hunting trip on Prince of Wales Island, which reigns Like 350 days a year And so we were up there for a week just getting drenched and you know, you're camping So you're in a tent and you think oh, well, I'll be driving the tent and you're not trying the tent There's no dry.

1:01:02There's no such thing as dry I remember I turned my head lamp on and the tent once because I had a pee and I was gonna step out of the tent to go to the bathroom in the rain and when I pressed the head lamp inside my tent All I saw inside the tent was water vapor. It was just filled with moisture. There was just water Dot like droplets all flying around inside the tent. I'm like, oh my god You're never gonna be dry. There's no dry and you know, it's just miserable, but fun. I was with good friends. We had a good time. Then I came back to LA You know a week later and I remember I called my friend Steve Rinalo I called because he's the one who took me on the trip and I said dude It's sunny out and I've never appreciated the sun like this before.

1:01:48Yeah, I'm like I'm a level of happiness And I don't think I've ever felt before. I'm just sitting outside with my eyes closed. Just taking the sun. It was wonderful LA is always sunny. Yeah, you get so used to it. Yeah, it's like you're a trust fund kid You know like who can't appreciate money, right because you've always had it. It doesn't mean anything to you But now all of a sudden going just Being drenched for seven days and being in that sun. I was like, uh, uh, then it made me realize like oh you need a suffer You need a suffer. You're never gonna appreciate this life right and either you voluntarily suffer Or you will suffer involuntarily because life regular life will make you suffer.

1:02:29Yeah, very true It's that's not it's seems sort of Anti -human who want to do something to make yourself suffer right? It doesn't seem very sort of Characteristics of yeah, we always want to take the fastest route to get somewhere. Yeah, it's yeah It's just innate and kind of human nature to to do that sadly and it doesn't and it that That leads to a life of complacency in mediocrity Well, if you look at life today and if you look at society today We have unprecedented levels of depression and unprecedented levels of anxiety and unhappiness Yet it's probably the safest time ever And it's probably the easiest time ever.

1:03:09It's so easy that poor people are fat That's how easy it is like that's never been the case All throughout history poor people were starving. Yeah, and poor people are fat now like that's how easy it is to live just to exist So I mean not not saying that being poor is easy. It's certainly not this is certainly a struggle But it's way easier than starving to death like this is like an unprecedented easy time and because of that And because there's this narrative that people have to constantly seek comfort to seek vacation and relaxation and retirement and All that bullshit and so that's in your head and there's this softness to existence And so everything that comes your way is overwhelming Somebody said this once and it's like a great quote that I remember The worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you regardless of how small that is So if the worst thing that's ever happened you is like I remember my girlfriend broke up with me when I was 18 And I was like oh, I couldn't believe that I thought I was gonna be with her forever I was so sad Yeah, and then I think back like oh my god That was the best thing that ever happened she was a nightmare But back then I thought I was probably a nightmare too But back then I thought like life was over right?

1:04:29Yeah, of course, but you have to get through that in order to appreciate life to really appreciate life but We have this bizarre narrative in our head that you shouldn't suffer. I know And what does that come from? I can't well because it used to be so difficult to live Because and so you would try to find a time where it wasn't difficult And so then it became the thing that everybody focused on focused on chilling relaxing. Yeah You know and the people that I know that don't do anything and don't take any chances and don't take any risks and don't exercise and just See comfort are the most miserable anxiety -ridden people I know that's yeah, they're pretty dead inside Yeah, it's complacency and it's that's a definition of complacency But again, it's counter intuitive.

1:05:13Yeah, it's like comfort is easy. It's relaxing. It's nice Yeah, but it's only relaxing if you've earned it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we got to get through something in order to appreciate Just chilling on the couch. Yeah. Yeah, so that's why I always do I have to fight my I have to trick my own behavior and to Doing things I don't want to do all the time Yeah, if I don't want to do I'm like, oh, I'm going to do it. Don't you think about it? Just go do it right because I know You know, you're amazing mind just wants to like oh, yeah This let me just let me skip the gym today or let me not do PT today or whatever the heck it is And I don't want to get poked and prodded Now just do it just go do it right the thing you don't want to do is the thing you probably should be doing almost always Yeah, and I that's why I pretty much always just do that It gets me out of my way out of complacency.

1:06:00I just like laziness I just it doesn't exist because I do the opposite What I want to do that's why you're happy and that's why I'm so full of joy dude I'm so happy. I've never been happier more connected to humans more connected to my daughter more connected myself More centered in my spirit where I am right now where I'll go where I'll be where I always am and always have been Is beautiful, man. Yeah, beautiful. You got to conquer your inner bitch. You do, man. That's what yeah There's an inner bitch inside of everyone. That's like yeah, let's just do nothing You gotta go shove a fork up. Yeah, I have to have like two minds.

1:06:41Yeah, well you gotta surround yourself with others too That can inspire you too right to yeah, so then you do things as a even as you and I go workout do something It's a lot easier than go into the gym by yourself right you create create because we are social creatures So let's do things that Like I'm doing like I'm building a whole like rehab recovery center at my house like well Maybe I can open this to the public and make make this a communal cool things where everyone has access to this stuff Yeah, I'm still considering doing that but Just make it a place to to be in hang so it's everyone can do it and right?

1:07:16It's not just me right separating myself from other people whatever it might be in in my life There's I try to find ways to make it a communal thing So it just makes it easier to to continue this and in perpetuity That's another counterintuitive thing. It's like you have to understand how important community is. It's like a vitamin Yeah, big time it really is Yeah, well that's a shared experience too that comes with that negative or positive in the tent with your friends And if you're alone and doing that right it's Facts you have no one to share that misery with but at least you did share that experience with somebody like dude Never thought I love the sun so much remember we're fucking eating ass Just sucking on the rainwater in that tent, you know, but it's like even a negative experience can be but it's shared It's still quite beautiful and it's a it's a map a milestone of part of your life that uses barometer to Change your or appreciate the sun more or whatever it might be right?

1:08:08It's so those shared experiences. I think we're invaluable. It's the only thing I chase in my life is that For people that ever want to start a fire when it's everything's wet Freedos You know little freedoms yeah, bags of freedoms. Yeah, yeah, those real motherfuckers are so toxic That if you light those things they're like little fire starters. No way man. Freedos are crazy flammable They stay lit for a long -ass time because they're just soaked with oil oil. Yeah, yeah, whatever oil whatever horrible fucking Whatever fucking industrial lubricant those fucking things are made out of but when you light that they're essentially some sort of a corn Byproduct and oil right right and so you if you light those fuckers on fire and then you get some semi dry sticks and Light them light those and we started one fire one day because one day it didn't rain So the one day it didn't rain me and my friend Brian Callan we were determined to start a fire And so we just found like the driest possible when nothing was dry But dry as possible sticks and twigs and started it and then dried some logs out And it was they were hissing and steam was coming off of them as we were lighting it but Freedos.

1:09:19Yeah, three does are an amazing fire starter Kind of crazy. That's crazy. Make you think about eating though What I just can say you're gonna talk about to eat this shit Which brings me to another question like how much did you alter your diet after all this because they ought to imagine like anything that causes Information it then becomes an issue. Yeah, I didn't go down so much that I'm always eating pretty good I didn't it didn't go into like things that I haven't gone into that even yet to like oh what causes inflammation What what what am I eating that does that I haven't really gotten that far into it yet.

1:09:55I'm still I'm sure I will but or I mean there was a doctor also help me stuff and I have people Cooked prepare some certain things for me, but I don't couldn't tell you what causes inflammation that I put in my mouth Could not I mean maybe if I have wine probably does and yeah, I know what cold does for sure. Yeah, yeah But I again, I don't do I really am good at moderating all things all things good and bad so My body has a chance to sort of exist and it's not forced too many supplements too many peptides too many too many anything Right all good stuff. I sort of just moderate so Once I got my blood right because I was like 205 pounds.

1:10:38I'd never been more than a buck 65 And it's just all this surgery weight and all this stuff and it's hard to get off when you have a Your hemoglobin's too Right, I just had new energy so also you probably have to eat a lot too because your body needs calories in order to help that That and yeah, it's good protein too. Yeah, and also it's difficult to eat because again my molars got pushed in It's hard to chew. I look fine, but to chew it on on a steak and sparigus thing. It's like this tough It's tough for me to get through still to this day or yeah, it'll be forever. I can't fix it if I start to move those molars again I don't apply fallout.

1:11:13Oh wow Yeah, and I'd rather keep them and just be uncomfortable So they just they got pushed in yeah this side Yeah, you usually sort of like just like an arc to your thing So my bite just kind of arcs and then goes straight back. Oh wow. Yeah, all these got pushed in and broke Booked the jaw three times here. So And then just breaking the jaw you doesn't ever really heal right So biting down is quite it's annoying. It's it's okay. Awesome. I am out, but I don't bitch about it I just sort of accept what it is and It could have been so much worse. Okay, so I have on my teeth. I have a smile You know, I feel great and and walking and breathing and I have And I love enjoying my life.

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1:14:16It's really kind of an amazing story and it's It's just amazing how these stories can be so inspirational for other people too, which is why I'm really glad you wrote your book Because these stories Like autobiographies especially a people that you admire that you've seen movies before it's like those Those struggles. They're so real and when someone's going through something themselves and they can turn to your book It can give them a lot. It's fuel for people. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, it for me as well I mean, I'm I mean resisted writing it because I still don't know how or why It can and will inspire people I can only make assumptions and I think it's so particular to the actual reader in the person But so I can never sort of participate on how or why it's important or not but it is like There's an achievement for me to get through it word by word That didn't want to do To relive it and then because it's in my body I talk about it all the time it is it is a part of my narrative as part of my life is just Recovery is just it's just my life and I love it.

1:15:21I enjoy it I feel better. I look better and all that stuff But it's like the book now is a tangible Sort of this is this is a great dialogue that we'll have as long as we want But it's just a dialogue that exists But now this is a tangible object with words the words don't change they stay there Like a tablet and something kind of interesting about that is like a milestone or a tangible thing that now it exists in the world right and Psychologically that says a lot to me so that even when I do die That's still there so maybe it can help somebody even when I can't Be there to talk with them or whatever it might be or it even exists right something that'll exist long Yeah, it's pretty interesting because I do movies and things like that or music Those are like the same thing as a conversation.

1:16:05They just sort of exist in the moment Like you know, it's great. We'll go into a concert, but then it's over right and then that's it Well, what happened? Well, I can tell you about the concert But something about something existing beyond Your your your life is something pretty interesting. What was the process like a writing did you physically sit down and write things? Did you initially initially I have a ghost writer who helped me because I never written a book Um, I've written a lot, but I've never written a book. It's just so we wanted to get the format right And so we would work through this format So almost like an outline and then so we just do interview by each of the sections of this outline that we put out And so then we would just talk like this and they told me let's talk about this and tell take me Moment by moment in the accident.

1:16:49I'm like all right. Let's do that And we meet every day for like two three hours however long I could sustain Going word by word on it And we recorded all the things and I would write on my own because it would kick up new memories and start writing about the Lamas thing And oh gosh that came up and then me that became a whole chapter in the book About breathing breathing exit my my my awareness to breathing and Helping it came so important my life um Anyway, so I just kept going and writing and writing and writing and then I would do talks to to companies I would speak to kids at schools I would all this is part of the writing experience because you can ask me the same question and then but we're in this environment But then if I'm with my family and I tell the say answer the same question.

1:17:32It's a different To same kind of answer but different it so I kept learning more and more Data and information was start stored in my brain in my heart in my spirit and had to unearth it and put it down Into words which is which I found to be the most difficult thing because as we speak like I'm doing now It's it's it's free to speak as whatever you want but to write down the words. Oh wait There's accountability to the words because they're written and you didn't have more you have more word choice My brain doesn't operate as fast as I'd like to for my vocabulary Yeah, right right. I drop way too many f -bombs instead of like really great words that I do know right?

1:18:08You know, so it was nice to be able to take the time and spend The agony to really kind of express a word by word through it, you know in a very real honest way It's like it's like a like a diary a recounting diary than it was trying to Um be fancy with words and um over complicate something that's really quite so simple What was the process like of going over the words and deciding what to keep and what to edit out and how to How to form out everything and what what ordered to talk about things and the order always was working for me from the beginning It allowed for flexibility for what would come up in Conversations in in the writing it allowed for fluidity, but there's a beginning middle and end to this We already knew the end All right, knew the beginning and so it was it was the branches off of I Didn't know I was gonna talk about the moss in this book didn't know that was a huge Milestone in my life That got me to understand what conscious breathing was and mitigate pain because there's a whole thing about the moss I was taking at 12 years old my mom was pregnant with my sister and she said pretend It's the cleat son.

1:19:25You're not gonna soccer practice grab a pillow. We're coming with me to The class I'm like what class? It was the moss class the YMCA and My stepdad was out driving a truck or something and so my mom she needed also needed me not to be alone Then she and she needed you know what it says she brought me the oldest and I laid there with a pillow between her legs and teaching her out of Breathe and short short breasts and then they pulled down a screen and they showed this midwife birth at home at a bathtub and Squirting out water and this whole thing like what's going on? 12 years old I'm mortified.

1:19:59I like what happened. Is that a whale breaching? What was going on? You know and so that came up and just sort of us In my partner talking about it and he's like, too, do you realize I'm like, yeah, well, it's why the books call my next breath You know, it's all about breathing and breathing was such A central part of my recovery my self -report of my you know, not dying and To get through each and every moment the perspective of a breath and it is not a conscious thought It is right it just it's just it's reflexive in our body and when we make it a consciousness When we invest into our breath what you can do with your mind with your breath, right?

1:20:42It opens up like if you the more you breathe and more you get oxygen in your body It's just feeding All of it. It feeds you feed only feeds you like like yon people yon and I say the example of like oh, you're tired No, you're not tired. It's your body that you know that you need to breathe get more oxygen in your self, right? So it's you're not tired. You just need more O2. That's all. Yeah, your body's making that happen Isn't it fascinating that everybody breathes? So everybody thinks oh breathing what's the big deal? It's like nothing. Have you ever read James Nester's breath? Or it's actually breathe I guess But it's an amazing book on breathing techniques and the history of breathing techniques and all the different things that people have achieved with breathing techniques including Hallotropic breathing which achieved psychedelic states of consciousness and all these different feats of Incredible physical endurance that people have achieved through breath work It's a pretty amazing book.

1:21:42It was a guestamon on the podcast a few years back But I read his book and started really getting into it and really trying to practice different breathing exercises and Great, you know, there's a bunch of breathing exercises you can use for anxiety for overcoming very stressful situations But when you say that to most people oh breathing they're like oh, you're one of those guys You're concentrating on your breathing. What else are you concentrating on blanking? You know, it's like because it's like you know, I mean, yeah, it's like you can minimalize it You can you can you have the reductionist perspective where you don't think it's anything big And especially if you've never practiced it.

1:22:21Yeah, yeah But you know, especially with like yogic breathing you can achieve some bizarre states of relaxation and consciousness through breathing Yeah, big time. Yeah, you could you could I always try whenever I explain it to somebody I just I say like when I use it. I'd say I don't do it like on a daily basis I mean, maybe now I do to um But it's like it's like I did it for like you said for anxiety when I was like nervous and an audition Uh, how do I get out of this situation like I'm not in my body my heart's going like this I'm like I'm not how I counted read these lines and I hear like Sean pen in the room I'm supposed to go there and be better than this guy in the calm freaking out of sweating So I said screw this I leave the room I go out of the building I go out into the street like I'm sunset boulevard somewhere find a tree That's rooted in this damn earth.

1:23:09I'm the you know, and I look ridiculous I don't care But the courage to go down on your knees go buy the root be in this earth. It just takes some deep 10 deep breaths As cars are honking and died out and on sunset boulevard. I don't give shit I'm back in my body and back on this earth here. I am That's fucking go back up in that room and I smashed that audition and that I don't remember if I got the role in that but it doesn't matter I was back in my body. I was back in on earth, right? It wasn't like in the state of hysteria or nervousness or that you know because I don't like that feeling So I found a way to overcome that feeling.

1:23:45Yeah, some people might just live in that feeling all the time They might like it. I don't know. I don't think they like it. Yeah, I don't think anybody likes it Yeah, I think the problems you just get trapped in that feeling and then the moment something comes up That's very difficult. Yeah, that causes you to spiral again. You just You lose control. Yeah, you're out of your head. Yeah It's one It's one of the most difficult things about the this whole audition process that actors go through is that you know There's this Golden carrot that's at the end of this stick and if you do a good job you might be a fucking movie star You know, I mean which seems impossible, right?

1:24:26Right. I mean it must have seemed impossible before you pulled it off Yeah, yeah, I know it's nice. It was never like something I was ever aiming for really What were you aiming for? Truth and everything I was doing truth. Yeah honesty and truth How did you guess if I don't believe it then how do I expect someone watching me to believe it? You know, I have to ensure that everything I'm doing is truthful and honest and courageous and bold and You know all the things so it was never to try to be a movie. So I just wanted to work Oh, I never wanted to be famous. How did you acquire that perspective?

1:24:59Oh, I don't know. It's it's I was clear about what I wanted Very clear about what I wanted and it moved on to LA to be famous I moved to LA to be in a movie Be in a movie that was big enough that would play in Modesto, California where I'm from because they don't get all the movies there Right, right and being a part in that movie that I wouldn't have to tell my family, you know I'm a guy in the red shirt waving the background. It's a part big enough that you would just know in the movie Yeah, so and I got that all those goals In the first job I ever did on camera in his national lampoon senior trip movie So then I had to recalibrate now new goals to that also get myself that I was working enough.

1:25:37So I never My goals were always to Like if they wanted to be you know the lead in a you know By the time I got like Dahmer and then hurt locker and all these kind of stuff that just kind of made I was ready for that stuff But I was like 38 by that time. I was like the new guy in town at 38 Right, so I'm that crazy. Yeah, I was just I was just ready and you know I did my journey when stuck and it's fucking amazing Is one of the most complex movies about a very bizarre psychological state That people acquire or that people fall into when it comes to war Yeah Yeah, what was it like getting into that mindset?

1:26:17It's it was interesting. I got to spend you know is it for or when For about a year Learning how to build bombs and render them safe, you know Yeah, yeah, it's got to spend time with the guys and gals off -campus off -campus off -base Interesting I love I love the whole experience, you know And then got to go shoot the movie and that was on the Iraqi border in Jordan during the war and It's 135 degrees and a hundred pound bombs you know you're just it's not even hot anymore It's just sort of like you let that go it's just Just are it's kind of a spiritual sort of place you have to go and that kind of that kind of eat And also you're drinking enough water like you know how might drink in all this water?

1:27:04You're not even taking a leak and like y 'all so dehydrated. I'd be careful I mean that's you know Yeah, pretty pretty interesting pretty interesting Experience, you know, what were the conversations like when you were talking to the people that actually did that well most of them look like you know schoolteachers There's like one one or two guys that one guy was like kind of built like you's big guy bronch The rest of them were like, you know the guy that I know did three tours he just looks like he's totally out of shape It's time to go with bigger than his chair. He's just kind of dude to dude to dude kind of this guy did three tours This guy's no joke.

1:27:42It's all mental There's all such a mental game Because you have to be cool in those high -intense situations because you're dealing with one five five explosives that will blow this building off the block and The level of intensity is really interesting like They were so comfortable around C4 and all these things and blah You got to be careful these blasting caps and all these things that people were getting injured all the time They got really uncomfortable when I took them to a bar in LA Why we were sitting at the bar and I asked something's what's going on? It's the big guy. I can't remember his name He's like I don't like we're sitting like what do you mean?

1:28:23Is it like I need my back to the wall and you know where the exit's at and you deduct right? And they're interesting like because I sit like that kind of as well. I don't like to have I don't think it's a trust issue. I just like to kind of I'd have my back to somewhere I know it's an exit is where the bathroom is I look for the most dangerous man in the room the hottest girl in room Yes, they just do like a like a terminator checklist And that was supported by Harold these guys thought and it's that same kind of thing They just noticed everything did you do just data? Okay now I can go be here.

1:28:53I assess the room Where I feel safe situation. Yeah, it's an awareness. I always had that But like really doing that role and spending so much time with these cool amazing people Just heightened that for me the avoid has been quite an observer and this where I just got in for me I could tell you the color of the the hinges if they match the finish on the door knobs in places and It's just that my how my brain works and always Yeah, yeah, well, it's awesome a home builder and designer. So I kind of pay attention to that kind of stuff anyway Um, but it sort of just kind of helps me out in life, I guess and so when you were preparing for hurtlocker Was it your decision to spend a year doing this?

1:29:33Well, no, it wasn't about the amount of time I think I was maybe to go for maybe a few months Catherine bigelow the director um just sort of introduced me said right they they're ready for you out the base if you want to go So kind of went out and just kind of did it all on my own and just waiting for the movie to kind of get up and get green it and go Then just took a little bit longer I think we're waiting for one of the actors that was doing another job to finish and then we could start And then and then Wasn't it easy independent film to kind of get up and get rolling but once we did we were rocking But yeah, it didn't meant to be like a year year and a half She just called me and says like are you ready to go like yeah like like I'm getting deployed like yeah, let's go I'm ready and then I also like we didn't even have a like an EOD sort of tech on On the shoot.

1:30:19I had to be the person that and I'm I had to call back I'm like, I don't know this doesn't look right. They set up these these one five five's and it's electrical and it should be debt cord And all these all these things that I learned that I wasn't an expert by any means I just wanted to make it look authentic in the movie so I had to call back and call me back and be taking picture of this shit I don't think it's right. Oh, why? Yeah, so I was fortunately had so much experience. Yeah, it was great Because if there's anything out in that movie especially for people that actually did that that takes you out of it Yeah, you don't yeah, yeah I wouldn't want to do that because we want to be very authentic to what we're doing We are still making a movie, but let's live in this world and look that the narrative is the characters that live in this bizarre world in a very relevant time in this war that we're in and and also the struggles of you know Soldier in civilian life and because they were civilians and now they became soldiers They'd be put in prison for life for doing this shit to get paid to do now Right, you know, and that was a wonderful sort of Outcome of the movie of how it bridged that sort of gap or the struggles of with PTSD and coming back from This harrowing sort of existence and war and they coming back and like like the serial aisle We're that example of like really like You know or in the rain and like you appreciate the sun.

1:31:41It's just it's just such a polar opposite and like this is my existence and It became such a really a wonderful sort of It's a Starting point for like wives to deal with their husbands that came back and like they can to kind of understand a little bit of what they might have gone through Just in general like the the broad strokes of how hard it is And then to come back and then like you know change diapers and To the thing you know what I mean, right? It's uh that became such a A powerful thing in that narrative that I found after we did it and we're showing it to all the military bases and It's it's always going to be a special Experience in my life and always be connected to a lot of soldiers because of that Well, it was a really well done movie and it was the way you could well There was a thing about that movie that made you think in a way or made me think in a way that I don't think I ever thought before like oh I never considered what this Transition to civilian life is like after dealing with the unbelievable stress.

1:32:45Yeah Of being in a war zone diffusing bombs And then wanting to go back. Yeah, like yeah, but it made you understand yeah It made you understand like oh fuck you want to go back. Oh my god When a movie can do that too when it could take you into that psychology of the person that would be in that state Yeah, and and make it make sense like that's that was a great movie. Yeah, it's happy to be part of it It was more than just you know, it wasn't just a story. It was like you're you're documenting a very real condition That you know through art you put words to these people's existence where they don't you know They don't have anybody representing that yeah, you know That's why it means a lot to me and and they let me know it means a lot to them and that's the most special thing Like fucking the movie part of it.

1:33:38Yeah, it's created a dialogue for a lot of broken families or and United Families better or yeah, like you said it's a greater understanding of like that difference of soldier civilian life It's a great bridge for it. Yeah, I remember I'm very proud of that I saw then I came went back to the comedy store and I said oh man We saw hurt locker last night and my friend would dude and I want to do And that was like oh yeah, it's like that it was that kind of movie. That's just like oh my god Like it just gives you anxiety And it also it also just makes you like really reflect and think about what war is And the in the requirement that you're putting on human beings To try to get them to transition from this insane chaos back into civilian life with No real guidance.

1:34:33Yeah, just you figure this out now you're now you're back in this in the serial aisle. Yeah Yeah, we're gonna starbucks. Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, it's interesting How do you decide like what roles to pick when you know you're this sort of stage in your life where you're so well known You know you people come to you with things and you have to decide whether or not this project is something that resonates with you Well now it's different You know the The central part of my life for for so long was my career And then my daughter came around and then she's number one so then I would do The job that would Allow me still to be a father because I'm not gonna not be a father because my job takes me away for long periods of time And just not doing that in far places.

1:35:25So I would so I'm not I'm not working out of the country anymore once my daughter was born Uh So I always had reach and access to my daughter You know, especially I need to be and then now after the incident I it's even tightened up more And loosened up more because my daughter is now 12 and she doesn't need me as much she wants her friends a little bit more Right, just a little bit low on the tone of full this temporarily. I know but um And also I can I can travel like I just worked last summer on a job. This movie called knives out Um and then they got I got brought my whole family with me knives.

1:36:01That was great. Yeah, it's awesome Yeah, so this is gonna be a really good one too But I was able to bring my entire family out like 15 15 people came out because a lot of them not will travel And I got to see a lot of Europe took my mom and my daughter to the Olympics in Paris dope got us And a couple weeks in Italy and it's kind of still a bit yeah, so we can do that kind of stuff now So I did the job essentially just to have a summer vacation with my family. Oh nice. So that's kind of how I decide And also I did love the character. I did love I mean come on. It's all that has to line in there too.

1:36:31I'm not just gonna do a job for a job But it just lined up but my family has to be involved my daughter has to be involved um Friends have to be involved otherwise. I'm not going to remove myself from all those shared experiences people in my life Just so I can go do a movie. I don't want to do any movie that bad So um, that's my limitation. Well, that's that limitation's real success too Did really choose things that you're actually passionate about yeah that fit within these parameters and allow you to live your life the way you want to yeah And work with people that this episode is brought to you by paramount pictures new film the naked gun There's comedy and then there's the naked gun.

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1:37:56I don't right, you know, you do it because you want to yeah, yeah, and that's that's to me what retirement is And doing what I want to do with who I want to do it with and I'm still always gonna be busy and work all my life I'll do that yeah, but I'm like yeah, but it is Well, it is in my mind. I'm a busy guy and I like I like to like to contribute I'm very busy doing the renovation foundation right which is a Huge big central part of my life with my family that runs this this charitable foundation in my community and late Tahoe for foster youth and discipline is youth and giving them opportunities that don't have these poor kids And that's great and I love that.

1:38:34I love I get but is that retirement? I was like, you know, it's it's gonna keep me busy until I die and then it's weird that you have to frame things and Turn like career or retirement. It's really just life life and passions Yeah, exactly, but I don't think a lot of people are doing what they want to do in their life anyway But yeah, I'll always always work always do the things I love to do and I'm still continuing to do the things I love to do just on my own terms Right, I wouldn't be able to start this foundation if I wasn't living life on my own terms. I am satiated beyond Satiated. I don't need anything I require a shared experience on this earth and that is it This is more so now since the accident Well, it's always been that but there's a lot of things in the way or things I allowed to be in the way or things I put in the way allowed to be in the way.

1:39:25Yeah, I allowed to be in the way And now I do not I refute it. I push it away I am certainly clear when I put obstacles on my own way when I get my own way we all do that shit too But so I'm just very very very clear and I keep I oversimplify life Because life is just that simple If we complicate it then you're going to have a over complicated life and it's just not as valuable I think I live both yeah, and the wonderful over oversimplification has allowed me to Again, use a word of retirement in my mind. I'm just living a life that I want to live right that I deserve to live that I choose to live and not be limited or rabbit hole or victimized by Society or the country I'm living in or the neighborhood I'm living in or the job I have it You know and just not I don't have any limitations because I'm I'm making manifest everything that I have in my life And it feels feels great and you know I'm the captain of the ship that's right I might take a minute to turn this bitch around right but I'm the captain of this damn ship It's called my life and I think everybody has a capacity to do so Well, that's another beautiful thing of living life by example that can inspire people Because that's really what people want to do they want to live a life where they feel like this is great Like what I'm doing is what I want to do They don't most people they don't live like that most people They have this dream in the future one day I will be able to live the way I want to but I'm not doing it right now right right I think I think that's a trap Personally, I think you're doing it already the journey is there.

1:41:01There's no end result besides yeah I know but there's so many narratives that people adhere to there's so many narratives out there in culture Yeah, they tell you you should be doing this and you should be doing that Yeah, this is a concentrate on your 401k right right right Then what are your investments and Yeah Buh You fucking the end of the night you need a pill to go to sleep. Yeah, yeah, I mean That's it's even crazier now with that social media and all that all that that's poison. That's just white news garbage, I mean, I've been off it lately for like the last few weeks Yeah, where I literally just check it when I'm taking a shit and that's it.

1:41:43Yeah I look to I look to see if there's anything crazy going on the world just so I know yeah, it's what's happening Yeah, but I don't Ever get involved. I don't ever Like argue with people or post things and I just see people doing it and I'm like You're losing your fucking mind and I've had conversations with friends and they'll like, you know what fucking this and that and that and this I'm like why Why are you paying attention? This is like let's go outside look look at all the birds. Yeah Look at the clouds. What a lovely day like you're you're alive in America in 2025 is like a magical time to be alive when you're concentrating on some shit that literally has no Effect on your life and you're making it your primary focus.

1:42:25Yeah, that is the definition of madness Yeah, I mean it really is yeah, you're freaking out about things that aren't even here. Yeah, well, that's where you get in your way You're giving that value. You don't have to know. Yeah But you know, it's just like Perspective is a very difficult thing to earn and so it is it is well, right? What how do we get it? How do we get experience right experience overcoming adversity developing character Shared experience. That's a big part of it You know like with people that you love and you're you're really connect with who you surround yourself with. Yeah, that's Most of the key to life.

1:43:05Yeah Like if you surround yourself with really great people you're forced to become a really great person It's like you have to keep up with it. Yeah This foundation tell me how you started that Initially started with a show that I produced and put on Disney plus which is called renovations and it was taking I didn't like to see a lot of vehicles go to waste Like purpose -built vehicles like a city bus or a fire truck and all these things that Supposed to go long long long ways, but they just replaced them even though they're perfectly good vehicles So I wanted to repurpose those and help them help you know communities in need and like so it's taking I got built one would to be a water truck a box truck to be a water water treatment plant to give Kids And villages with terrible water and be able to you know reverse osmosis their water and give them drinkable water their school or take a there's a It's gonna go city bus and turn it into like a dance studio a mobile dance studio for these kids in in Mexico and just these creative Sort of things and it's kind of like put my ride but with like real valuable things, you know, just take these really cool Purpose -built trucks and staying in and make it something really spectacular for these because all kids driven to give them With their their their needs are and then it just went into like I didn't want to make it about just vehicles When I wanted to start the foundation it became a wonderful calling card And then I so I started the foundation and my sister works for DCFS was child protective services in Los Angeles County And one of my best girlfriends in in Reno she also works for CPS child protective services there So I've been working with foster youth for many many many years privately and now I just wanted to really get invested into the communities.

1:44:48I started small in northern greater northern Nevada and It's in the my sister now is running it and Shane is running it as well with me and the whole families now got involved and It's been really wonderful to come back from the incident Have this be a central goal for us to celebrate our time together as a family and to give back to these kids that are in great need And it is it has been a dream of mine that I've been wanting to do for a long time and now do it publicly I've been doing it privately for a long time and to really make a big Big splash and make a lot of movement for these kids and it's I think it's one of the reasons why I was brought back Outside of all the other things, but I think there's something working in my favor to to come back outside just you know my family And I think it is my reach to kids in my ability to have a great effect for them And it's been a couple years now and it's already been moved move the mountains for kids already and we'll continue to do so This is like me breathing.

1:45:53This is easy. I love this. This is a part of my fiber my body I'm this oldest of seven in my family. I've been changing diapers and living as the oldest It's sort of my birthright to be able to do what makes it even cooler is that I'm a marvel superhero So I have like a reach and access to these kids that didn't even listen to right? They're like oh cool Let's go to camp with Hawkeye. That's just dope and they all show up with plastic sacks, right? And this is like all their valuables in their life and it makes me weep right and this is all their worth and they show up with hefty bags all of them So we give them rollers with their names on it in the passport is there's a journal and I can I'm gonna change the narrative of this They're of their trial.

1:46:32You're a traveler now. You're a world traveler You're not you're not giving your trash around where all your you're worth in it your worth is much bigger than that We're gonna just planting seeds like that in their head and then creating community for them creating opportunities for them Safe places for them giving them More educated stuff giving we gave we brought in recording studio bus forum to touch all these instruments They'd never have access to who knows what that does I don't care. Let it then I have access to things right give these kids Opportunities that they deserve Is the future of our fucking planet?

1:47:05Why aren't we giving more time and effort to that? It's the future for a world man. Let's give them ever give them all the tools. We need another Elon we need other super smart amazing people man. We need that We need other leaders in you know, what do we give in our youth? Especially our foster youth man. It's not a good look They've gone through a lot of struggles these kids man, and they're not gonna struggle not on my dime not on my time That's amazing So it's an easy for thing for me to do. I love it's a great focus for me. That's outside of It's things I enjoy right. I still do things that I enjoy.

1:47:42I just get to do it with these kids and have they teach me so much I learned so much they keep me in a really You know youthful spirit I it's it's harrowing to hear what they've been through Joe. I Don't like to know my sister knows all about it Shane. He knows all about it because they get the phone calls They have relationships with a lot of these kids they know Dude, I mean, I'd flip you would you would you'd probably react like I would want to flip a table You know heard some people, you know, and it's so I'd prefer not to know How they got touched and who did it and that you know this kind of stuff I just tried to choose a focus on that ski these kids have oh plant some seeds of hope And I'm good at that shit and I love it.

1:48:23So we're on jet ski You know talking about it. They've never even been to this lake and the guy So whatever the heck it is new experiences new joy new friends They're all crying at the end of this camp because he had such a good downtime One of them was getting adopted and she was crying because like I can't come back Because I'm not a foster kid anymore. I've got a top and they're like, oh you could go back You know, you know, you know, you did good then when she didn't want to get adopted They're like, ah, it means we're doing something right for these kids And we're gonna continue doing it and we're doing it Not only just as a camp, but we're doing like Lots of programs throughout the year to keep the community of the foster youth community together Like these kids or brothers and sisters that never get us each other because they're in separate homes Sepert cities One's in Vegas, one's in Reno, right?

1:49:04This that's dude. You can't do that. You can't do that. So we're doing our best to Unite community, right? You night you need we need each other these kids need each other Even beyond they don't need me they need to have access and reasons to be together. So It's it's helping the foster parents. It's helping the kids. It's wherever we can do when you start building Use centers as well. We'll be building homes as well in the future with the foundation But we're starting um step by step breath at a time Brick at brick by brick and building camps and activities and education for them and It's I love you can see how much I love it.

1:49:42I can't talk about this for days You're you lit up when you talk. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love it man. I can't we have these camps coming up here in June and July So I'm pumped can't wait to finish this job and go Go back home. That's incredible. Yeah, it's kind of shocking that it takes Individuals to be inspired to do something like this because society doesn't put any emphasis on this Well, it's like look there's a there's foster states have foster programs, right? There's that's why but there's gaps in the system and it's like kids forgotten kids are forgotten and then Some more yeah, it's you know, it's it's tragic.

1:50:20It's but um Put a spotlight on something Put energy into something um it builds and I got a loud voice and a big heart and I'm very actionable what I do And that's why the foundation's growing and and and making them the moves and and making the Paving ways for for these kids. So I'll keep doing it man. It's like it's easy. How long have you been doing this? Um publicly only a couple years It's just just started out. So you know, then it's like not only about all the other non -profit stuff It's like oh man, it's like you're going out and asking for money. So I don't do that. I'll go do like Voice over jobs and like put money in their account for I I hate asking for money for for foundation stuff, you know, I'll let somebody else kind of Father that I do I stay in my lane I work with the kids and work with the ideas and the programs and I let my sister and uh those guys in the on the board Do what they could have to raise money and all those kind of things.

1:51:19It's just not my wheelhouse Unfortunately, I mean people hear non -profit. They always think okay. Well, where's the money really good? Well, that's where it is And that's why we operate at 8 % I think Oh, that's great. Yeah, nobody's incredible. That's the opposite of how they're usually done. Yeah, exactly Yeah, so I mean even if we got it to because no one's no one takes anything except just basic operating costs and we're operating at 8 % Do they meet 13 % is like all the money's going to the kids man. That's incredible. All of it All of it. So and so I'm trying to get to the bank account to be full.

1:51:50So we only operate off The interest once we're there then we can really So it's up to move needle for for building things and doing some stuff in the future. So I'm excited for that Are you gonna expand this? Yeah, it'll grow. It'll grow I'm sure again I think that to keep effective for me is staying in the home area or just the state in Nevada at least and not going too far So because I still I'm very very hands -on and it's important for me to to be the voice for the foundation and for these kids and an advocate for them and and So I Nevada's kind of the goal for the least maybe the next five years for sure and There's still a ton of kids that I have not reached and need to reach so I focus on that.

1:52:39That's amazing. Yeah, then there's then there's you then there's like getting the these use that the age out They're getting back into being counselors back in the camp There's a great thing with you and R with they they get a free ride at the the University and a lot of them are going back in sociology and psychology and want to go help kids in foster like this is so great So I want to give them opportunities to come back and and help the youth and maybe give them guidance God, this is awesome self -healing and cathartic in its own way. Whatever we can do man It's a it's a it's a it's a wonderful wonderful Life, it's amazing because you light up when you talk about that like nothing else.

1:53:21We've talked about it Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's everything. It's it's again I'm focusing my energy on all the positive stuff, you know because in I said I can't too sensitive to deal with the The hardships that they go through so now let me just be a A guy a guiding light forum or or someone to laugh on they to take the sign my t -shirts. Whatever they want to do. I don't care I'm there. I'm their playground I love it man Again, I think it's it's it's it's the reason why I came back Joe That's incredible. Yeah, you could see that it means so much to you. Yeah, and that's just if you could find something like that in life You're a winner.

1:54:03Yeah, yeah, I mean just you'll think of the the amount of positive energy you put out there in the world Yeah, that's it's pretty exponential and then also it comes back it cascades. Yeah. Yeah, the ripple effect of that Yeah, it's insane change their lives change other people's lives Yeah, and then comes back it's it's it's pretty what you put out in the world is what you get back, you know Yeah I see it every day and it's exponential especially now since the incident. Yeah, the ripple effect of just Dude, this happened in my driveways a private Experience I woke up and it was a global thing I didn't ask for that so kind of glad it did it allowed People to see me as the man on him and not the guy that Sling's an arrow right?

1:54:48You know It's a fake arrow to see you You know, so that to them glad it became a big public thing, but you know the ripple effect of just that this narrative of the recovery is You said it can affect a lot of people and it's a beautiful thing it's a positive thing and Like the foundation and I see it and feel it every day you really lead an exemplary life my friend Well, I what's what's the alternative? I know but I mean it's interesting that you have this perspective like I'm always curious the people that have such an amazing perspective like how did you gain it? Like how did you get to this place?

1:55:31Yeah, well, I mean you have to I think You have to life and review right? Yeah, you know the life and review. I think there's I think you know, there's birth order Right, there's also being in the 70s in the small town where I was a latsky kid Right didn't I I had freed rain it I was seven years old and a key to the house You didn't have to come home to the street lights came on right me. No, yeah, I made mistakes Yeah, I broke windows the slingshots and stole shit and got it and light up the cigarette butt in my my mom's and all this stuff I got caught and sometimes and I learn I reprimand myself I self -policed myself Um, I was very honest kid You know, I did there's a lot a lot of a lot of things, you know, I had I had a bicycle and then that was like freedom That's where I began like oh, I have real freedom a great fishing pole I got my bike and just went off and do another county Yeah, I think that wouldn't happen today.

1:56:27I would never allow my daughter Never Walk across the street. I had a similar life. I was a latsky kid too, and I just think the horse was just Well, I lived all over the place, but I lived when I was seven till 11 I lived in San Francisco from 11 to 13. I lived in Florida 13 Till 24 I lived in Boston. Oh wow then New York and out here. Oh wow And well LA brother and then out here last five years. Yeah, yeah, yeah What's a little mix? Yeah, that's good mix right? Well the good thing about living in a bunch of different places The bad thing is I never really developed roots right and but I had to For my own opinions because I couldn't count on the opinions of all the people around me I didn't I didn't have like a core group of friends.

1:57:16Yeah, so I always had to like Sort of see the world for what it was Yeah, did that make you an extrovert or an extrovert or both? I think I was an introvert initially I don't think I ever even though I talk for a living and I'm a public figure I'm not really an extrovert which is really odd like I don't really like Attention, which sounds crazy for someone who gets a lot of attention. Yeah, I don't need it You know, which is probably why I get it for in some string right? Yeah Some string well, I was very socially anxious when I was a kid I would get super nervous when I had to talk to a bank teller.

1:57:50I remember one time I had a deposit money in a bank And I was like why am I freaking out like this is so weird, right? You know, um, but Eventually overcame all that stuff and then you know Through martial arts who traveling around all throughout my youth from the time I was 15 till I was 22 So I did was travel around the country and competing. Mm -hmm. So I had a very bizarre life In that I didn't have like the normal high school life of Partying and hanging out and I was you know flying to California to fight right was weird, right? It was a very weird life You know, so I You know I did I still wasn't an extrovert like I didn't really learn how to talk in groups of people till I started teaching So I started teaching martial arts and then that's how I learned how to public speak Ah, but I was publicly speaking about something that I was very good at right.

1:58:50It was like I commanded Sort of attention just by because I would demonstrate to them things that I was doing and then in Demonstrating and talking it made sense that I was able to talk about something you do Yeah, you're comfortable in yeah, you know, it's like I was really good at it. So I could show them I'm gonna demonstrate something to you and then I do it and they'd be like holy shit I'm like I'm gonna show you how to do this and then if you listen to me like I taught at Boston University and When I was 19 and it was a real Counter -Torture GPA. It was like pass fail a and I'd say all you have to do is And try and you get an A and if you can't show up call me tell me you can't make it and you'll be fine If you fuck off, I'm gonna fail you But if you just try you get an A and then it's counter -Torture GPA.

1:59:40This is like a legit thing Yeah, like what I want you to do is like this can help your life And I'm not thinking you're gonna go and fight and compete but I can teach you something here Yeah, and it's difficult You'll get better at it and through getting better at it you learn how to get better at other things The discipline and yeah, yeah, so that's like how I got in a comedy in the oddest way Learning how to talk to people Can put because I wasn't comfortable talking to be I always felt like a bluser and a weirdo and I always felt like an outcast So to learn how to talk publicly like that's how I did yeah, you know, but all that traveling around just gave me this very bizarre like rootless Sense of who I was as a person is there anything that you grabbed that from from that experience that you hold on to I mean like to You know from this is some positive things that kind of come out from that right?

2:00:35Yeah, like I I went to a different school every year in my life At least until I got to high school, but I was in the same town. It didn't move around a lot Maybe just in the town I did divorce and all that sort of stuff for schools or full Or whatever it was so I had to either engage with people all brand new people each grade new school new grade. Yeah And then you know you're growing up. I was more shy and I think more like you like introvert and so either I go Very go furious or I just was an observer and right and just watch so you just make choices and That's why I became an observer, but with that I don't know I I liked I liked that part of me and I can be extroverted like I'm an actor and a thing But I'm still more insular and quiet and yeah, I even know to two quick eyes are you happy?

2:01:21You it was hard, but I wouldn't have wanted it any other way yeah because I think it made me different You know and I think There's unfortunately if you are in like a small town and you're you grow up in that town and you never leave that town Your perspective is very limited. Yeah, yeah, and I moved around a lot and I think that was very uncomfortable I hated it when I was a kid like fuck we're moving again To another state like this is great, but That made me who I am and it again it made me form my own opinions instead of adopting yeah a Conglomeration of opinions that everybody around me had yeah, you know and I went from Very liberal and progressive San Francisco in the 1970s during the Vietnam War to living in Florida Where it was like completely the opposite like super conservative and kind of retarded yeah, and I remember Just being around people like why don't you why don't you even think like this?

2:02:26It's crazy It was so strange to me to have this like complete juxtaposition almost like a cultural 180 But it also made me realize like wow, there's a lot of different ways to think yeah, there's a lot of different ways to Engage with life. Yeah, you know Well, is it don't we like especially growing up right you just saying like seven eight thirteen fourteen all those years We those we looked to our friends and friendship groups is sort of like kind of help develop ourselves and yeah Kind of be a reflection upon ourselves and if you don't have it You have other things that you you know you turn to yeah, but you know There could but like you said it could have been a terrible thing if you stayed in the same place You just had the same core four dudes and then how limited your life would have been to stay in the San Fran or You know, yeah, so it could it's like you said there's a real good positive thing to take from Being removed from stability remove from right.

2:03:17That's all anxiety inducing it Yeah, there weren't to be the perspective right the perspective could be But if it's a positive perspective, you know into lean on yeah, you like you said I like how I came in a thing and It drove you into all the things that you probably like about yourself today. I think it's pretty interesting Yeah, and it also like I got picked on a lot too in which that's what you're in the martial arts Yeah, yeah, I was like yeah, I hate being scared of people. Yeah, it just drove me nuts I didn't have friends so like the group of guys would fuck with me and I didn't know what to do So it's like okay, I gotta fix this So I became obsessed with martial arts and then once I started doing that it was like the first thing that ever did It was like hey, I don't think I'm a loser I just think I never figured out how to get good at something and now that I'm really good at this one thing I'm like the opposite of a loser and then I became obsessed with winning You know, and then that was like my whole life until I was like I don't think I want to do this anymore and then I you know transition to other things but that period of time Wouldn't have happened if I lived in a comfortable environment where I was in fact with yeah where I didn't get bullied You know, I wouldn't have that desire to like do something that was completely terrifying because I was scared of physical confrontation So what do I do spend my whole life Getting involved in like voluntary physical confrontation with trained fighters right which is way more terrifying Right the most terrifying thing You know You know but that well what's the alternative?

2:04:51Oh just be scared and be bullied and beat the fuck up or that's why I had a Side yeah, you know take the reins and how to decide that. Yeah, I just had to make this change, you know Yeah Fortunately it worked out. Yeah, it's a very bizarre the turns that life takes and when you look back You like what if that hadn't happened? What if I had done this what if I had what if I hadn't turned left? Yeah, the crossroads are so so so instrumental and Who we become right and I'm also in control of that like we're not staring any ship at that point I know so much of it is luck. Yeah, whatever it is or something whatever fate means Yeah, you know what I mean fate is kind of assumed once an outcome has been achieved.

2:05:34Oh was fate Yeah, and hindsight wasn't really in hindsight. You can say that. Yeah, I'm not sure to say that in a moment Right, I do think there's there's a certain power to following instincts Which I've always done for whatever reason, you know There's a there's a pole that you have towards a certain direction even if it's like massively uncomfortable like sometimes you have to realize like Okay, let's go like this is what I'm supposed to do and that that is very hard to do But once you do it a few times and then you start saying There's a little voice in your head like that motherfucker's never let me down.

2:06:10I'm gonna keep serving that voice Whatever that voice is I'm gonna keep it listening even though people are like what are you doing? I'm like I hear that a lot Yeah I think soot a lot of people that have accomplished great things. Yeah, I don't think anybody who listens to the advice of everyone around them ever steps out of line Yeah, you know, I think you I don't think you ever really try anything crazy Yeah, you got it because most people aren't gonna want to support you when you're trying something that seems insane Whether it's trying to be a movie star or whatever it is trying to be a martial artist or rock star or anything in life That's hard to do most people gonna tell you don't do that Especially people that are conservative and conservative in a sense of like to do something that is gonna give you a good chance of success Yeah, because the more fun things are very open -ended They don't really have a lot of six like what are that what's what are the numbers of people that become successful actors?

2:07:10Oh, I mean is it like a tenth of a percent? Yeah, it's probably less than that I mean if you could like get a chart of like how many people move to Los Angeles to try to make it and show business and how many make it? It's got to be in our strident numbers the numbers are not good Those numbers you have to be insane But some my thought was like fuck somebody's doing it like Somebody did it like why can't I do it and then people would say you know you know what with the odds? You're gonna make it like I don't know Why am I thinking about that someone it can be done people have done it like you got it but You have to be willing to just really Fuck and throw yourself into something yeah, and know that especially in the beginning There's no time to fuck off here if you really want to do something that's really hard to do like you got to be all In yeah, because there's too many people that are all in yeah, you're competing with them You're not competing with these like half -steppers these people are kind of dipping in and dipping out there They're there as an example for you to not live your life.

2:08:19Yeah, yeah Well, isn't there like I kind of a selective hearing that kind of has to happen in anything for anyone We have to listen and really listen to engage and really listen to learn and Grow yeah, but then we have to have selective listening to like am I times I was told no or told I was told I was crazy Oh, yeah, what are you doing you out of your mind? I'm like oh now is on I knew I'm on the right track When I hear that mm -hmm because that's that's that's that's the words of a fearful person Yeah, those those are those are the words uttered from someone who's scared and not courageous and a lot of stuff's in their way I'm on the right track.

2:08:54Well not just that You know there are those people that would try to sabotage you because they don't want you to be successful because they haven't taken a chance in their life So they don't want anybody who does who's courageous to they want you to fail There's people out there that want people that are courageous to fall apart. Yeah, because then it makes them feel better for their own choices Yeah, it's okay. That's they got they got to live with that. Yeah, I know right right right? Get us swimming that but again, I mean I think that those things are just like you need the rain to appreciate the sun Yeah, yeah, you know you need to struggle to appreciate They have to co -exist otherwise.

2:09:30They don't exist Yeah, it's like oh truth and a lie. They both have to exist otherwise everything's just fucking true right? Right, right so that if you have to co -exist together otherwise you don't that's the hardest part of life to truly understand like Why is there evil right you need love? Yeah, you need good like why why why can't everything be love? Well, it can't it can't have to be evil people for you to appreciate loving people You know, there really has to be kind people for you to you know to appreciate oh, okay Life is not just all cruelty and but you have to know the cruelty exists for you to appreciate kindness.

2:10:07Yeah, yeah Weird yeah, it's a weird dance and it's strange. Yeah, like if God is real like what a strange game he's playing Yeah, you could kind of when it all works out you see wisdom in it, you know, you like I kind of get it Yeah, like the life is not just utopia It's a strange mix of good and evil yeah and love and hate and in all these things that are in the way Test man those tests don't they suck? They do all the tests we have in our lives and everybody has them everybody. There's nobody that's exempt from it No, I was money of success with no you are all we're all susceptible to great test and great suffering It's how well you overcome that suffering It will determine how well you love and deeply you love in your life and also the people that have overcome the most are the most Fascinating and interesting and complex I'd say if you ever met Amanda Knox, you know she is Yeah, she is that woman that was accused wrongly of a murder in Italy.

2:11:15Yeah, I remember that She spent years in prison and in Italy and she is so fascinating Yeah, she's so strong and so interesting and I asked her about this I was like do you ever think like you are this really unusual person with this like fucking cast iron integrity and character Would you be this person if you hadn't been wrongly accused and spent years in prison and publicly persecuted and then Eventually absolved like what would you be? I mean, would you want it any other way? I mean, I don't right I wouldn't wish that on anybody Yeah, here you meet her. She's so incredible. It's like Life is very very odd.

2:11:59Yeah, there's choices that she could have made right in in that She could have been like resentful right? Well, I don't know how she is. So I don't know she's not at all Yeah, but like you know, there's and she could have been valid in any really kind of feeling she has about things because that's all sounds pretty shitty Yeah, you got it and But you know working with the alternative you should you want to hold on to resentment and that kind of that the life you Want to live because it's a choice right how I like Sounds like an interesting person to talk about but You know, is it a choice of choice for her?

2:12:32She feel like it was a choice like you know what was certainly wasn't yeah No, I mean that you feel like that that made her who she is and she's content with that or I Mean she's she's certainly resigned to what it is, but she's Very happy now right, but not just happy like complex like a complex Compassionate charitable thinker what's the what's the conversation if she's still in the in the joint, you know Oh, yeah, I mean she's still in the clank and there's no hope of forgetting now Well, she learned a lot in there too. Yeah, that people like what the the terrible choices that people make because most of the people that were in there were guilty You know in the in the terrible choices that these people make and like what happened to you when you were young like Why did you become a person and murdered your husband?

2:13:18Why did you become a person who you know robbed a bank? Why did you what what what went wrong? You used to be a baby You know, yeah, this is something that I Really Changed one being a parent really changed my Perspecting of human beings and the very profound way and many many profound ways, but one of the biggest ones is I stopped looking at people as being static I stopped looking at oh Jeremy's 54 has always been 54 Does how I know now I look at everybody like oh you were a baby You were a baby like I know what I mean? You know, I love my daughters dearly and they're very extraordinary people, but it's been fascinating to watch them as Little babies become these really complex human beings and have conversations with them and talk to them and see how they interface with life and And then I you know meet people who were all fucked up and you know angry and fucking hateful and I was like god damn what happened what got what went wrong.

2:14:17Yeah, you know, what are the things that and how do you get out of this? You know, yeah interesting. Yeah, it's you know I mean it's There's so many trials and tribulations in this wonderful existence that we all share and I think we learn a lot through other people's not just your own, but other people. Yeah. Yeah, for sure Well, that's the hope anyway. We can right yeah Well, I think a lot of people are gonna learn a lot through you and without having to do it in a fearful way or scare tactics or Right, I mean that doesn't really work. Yeah, yeah, but it's used everywhere in media and right advertising All that kind of stuff right right like what to do it in an honest way or it's like I hope I still learn By talking about my experience, right?

2:15:07I still learn by looking through the book or listening to the audio I'll be listening to the audio soon when I have my daughter and all my nieces nephews around We're gonna listen to it. We're all gonna listen to it together So I'm not gonna have them go off reading this thing to harrowing to do it alone But like I'll be listening to it. I'm gonna learn to it and with that experience and that exchange with these beautiful young creatures Yeah, you know So he'll be learning for so long. It's only been a couple of years, which is really crazy. Yeah, yeah I'll be I'll keep keep trying and testing the delimits of my body and in my mind and my spirit and What I can pass on to others what I can give on to others with it.

2:15:45They give me I mean it is a vibrant high vibration that I'm living right now and I I'm so blessed to have it and so much gratitude at every breath I Almost feel like I don't have to walk anymore sort of live it. I just feel so lucky and I think it's has to do with All the love and all the all the the goodness that this world has to offer. I think that's it's gotten me through And the attitude of it that perspective of that Because it can be a very bleak dark place. Yeah, you know, but I I choose to I choose love I choose Action I choose My perspective it is my choice and I'm I've been in dark places where it wasn't quite so positive and so lovely and as well before the accident, you know It's just like you know just kind of grumbly and grumpy and don't want to leave my house And you know, I don't want to go sign on a ground.

2:16:59I want to be around people or you know, just kind of whatever, you know Not a really great happy place perhaps, you know like everybody has the right to be but if that doesn't exist This point, you know, I don't get any more bad days Joe. That's a man Right And then credible I can guess up a still care for you one I can have it for you. Isn't that incredible no more bad days brother, right? Wow It's it's a perspective that is mine and a truth and reality that is mine Because I have a brawm to like yeah, I know what a bad day is actually like and I was tested to my limits and I got through it likely somehow some way and It's it's a it's just a almost science at this point is a factual that it's just not gonna happen I can't no matter if I tried so hard to have a bad day.

2:17:45It's just not gonna have a bad moment I can have you know frustrating times But it's not I'm just not gonna have a bad day and for the rest of my experience here on earth That's amazing and I think that experience this this perspective that you're sharing is contagious I think so too, dude. Yeah, I know actually I know so I know so Yeah, for a fact for a fact. It's it's it's a it's sort of make manifestation of what your existence is you want to be Yeah, and you can do it. Yeah, but you gotta believe it. You gotta do it. Yeah Both those things I think that's why it's beautiful that you wrote this book Yeah, my next breath.

2:18:21Yes, sir. Thank you Jeremy. It was awesome. I really yeah, I really appreciate you Yeah, that's what is brother you you make me happy man You bring out a lot of good stuff in me you reaffirm a lot of good things in me in a really really meaningful way And I appreciate you I appreciate you too. Thank you. Yeah, sir. Thank you. Yeah, I'll see you to you. See you too, man Absolutely, okay, go buy this book folks. Yes, sir I can have it for you. Isn't that incredible no more bad days brother, right? Wow It's it's a perspective that is mine and a truth and reality that is mine Because I have a barometer to like yeah, I know what a bad day is actually like and I was tested to my limits and I got through it luckily somehow some way and It's it's a it's just a almost science at this point the factual that it's just not gonna happen I can't no matter if I tried so hard to have a bad day.

2:19:28It's just not gonna have a bad moment I can have you know frustrating times, but it's not I'm just not gonna have a bad day and for the rest of my experience here on earth That's amazing and I think that experience this this perspective that you're sharing is contagious I think so to do I know actually I know so I know so Yeah, for fact for fact it's it's it's a it's sort of make manifestation of what your existence is you want to be Yeah, and you can do it. Yeah, but you gotta believe it. You gotta do it. Yeah, both those things I think that's why it's beautiful that you wrote this book Yeah, my next breath.

2:20:04Yes, sir. Thank you, Jeremy Awesome. I really yeah, I really appreciate you. Yeah, that's what it's brother You you make me happy man You bring out a lot of good stuff in me you reaffirm a lot of good things in me in a really really meaningful way and I appreciate you I appreciate you too. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, sir Thank you. Yeah, I'll see you to you. See you too, man. Absolutely. Okay. Go buy this book folks. Yes, sir