#2313 - Jillian Michaels

26:27It could be physically, it could be psychologically, but it doesn't have to be shameful of the way they've been living so that the work in the sacrifice associated with change is less painful than continuing the negative and destructive habits. You don't have to shame them. I know what the message seems like it is, but it really isn't. Well, the whole term fat shaming is pretty recent, right? Yes, very. Let's get my back to where you asked me what I lost. Intuitive eating is a fascinating phrase. The idea that this is by the same people that used to be in charge of tobacco, this is what's really crazy.

27:10These are the RJ Reynolds and these tobacco companies bought all these fast food, processed food companies and they use the same tactics that they use with that to push terrible foods on people. Well, they literally have a team of multi -disciplinary scientists that work around the clock to figure out how to get people to not eat just one and then put it into commercial. Literally in broad daylight. Yeah. Little we're doing to people. But you can't eat just one. Yes, man. You know, but what they're doing is they are exploiting somebody's psychology and they're hijacking their biology with this food without a question.

27:50And this is why you have seen rates of obesity skyrocket from 70s when it was like 5 % of the adult population was overweight or obese to 74%. I mean, like, we're all, is it quantum leap in genetics? That's a big pharma sirep of like, no, no, this is all genetic. You're genetic genetically obese. Well, what was the, what happened? I've never seen such a quantum leap in genetics. How come we were genetically obese in the 70s? Like, what was that tipping point if you will? The green of the cascade of obesity over the last five decades. Of course, it's exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, it's ingredients and food.

28:31It's really simple. At that and also how they engineer the environment and you're surrounded by it. You can't escape it. And remember the days when you weren't allowed to have food at a bookstore and now every friggin bookstore has a couch. Yeah, six under a gallery drain. Exactly. You are surrounded. There's nowhere you can go right now where food is not omnipresent in particular. This crappy food. And they generally do it through government contracts and subsidies. So it's at your schools, your hospital, anywhere you go, you will find this garbage food. So even if you have that moment of willpower, which is arguably this fleeting moment of bravado, if you're constantly surrounded by it, you will give in.

29:16Managing your environment is a large part of helping someone be successful. It's a band -aid, right? If you're dealing with sexual abuse, for example, but controlling the environment is definitely a component and helping them. You can't control the environment. Right. You can't control the narrative. You can't control what's in the food. And it's all by design. It's not just the crap in the food. It's how they control the narrative around it and how they engineer the environment and how they systematically shut down the people that point it out as fat chambers, for example, or racists. Yeah. It's another big one.

29:50Yeah, it's a big one, or transphobes, or filling the blank. But it's fascinating to me that hospitals fall into this. A friend of mine was visiting his friend who has prostate cancer. And this guy is in the hospital being treated for cancer. And then he went to look at what they're feeding him in the hospital. And they were feeding him applesauce, which is loaded with high fructose corn syrup, apple juice, or orange juice, which is not even juice. It's concentrate. It's all bullshit. And then some kind of a fucking sandwich, which is made out of this processed wheat bread. Yeah. It's... It's...

30:23I'd probably have it in that meal alone. A hundred plus chemicals, I think I'm being conservative. At a hospital. It has to do with government contracts. Yeah, but it's so crazy that hospitals, their diets in hospitals are co -opted. I can't even... My kids... I know they'll be watching this, so I love you guys. It's okay. But they stop packing their lunches. And I was like, guys, why are we not packing our lunches anymore? And I would watch all the crap that I would buy. I go bad in the pantry. And my son ratted my daughter around. He's like, she's eating breakfast at school. And I was like, what are you talking about?

30:59He's like, did she go to serial? Who's having that at school? I was like, what? What are you talking about? Even my kids who know better, it's... But isn't that a rebellion against mom, though? Which kids definitely do. Like my youngest daughter, she jokes around about she's like, ooh, seed oil. I love seed oil. She'll have salad dressing with seed oil. And she like, mocks me and I'm like, okay, you eat whatever you want. But just know what it is. They... I honestly think the kids know what it is. And I try to give them enough freedom now at these ages, you know, 13 to 15, to make some of their own decisions.

31:37So not everything is a pushback. But I truly think there is an addictive component. Oh, for sure. And she just, it's like, I'm so good at home. I don't mean to associate. I'm not good, but I eat well at home. Let's put it that way. And, you know, just at school. I'm just going to do this at school. And the problem, obviously, is when she goes off to college, I won't be able to control the environment at home. And I'm like, honey, okay, hold on. There's a... Forgive me. There's a, like, 20 -year -old influencer named Bad Baby, I think. Joe, she saw this girl on. This lady from Dr. Phil. Yes! Catch me outside.

32:16Catch me outside. So she saw this girl, which she was like, nine, that has followed Bad Baby. Bad Baby now has cancer. What? I believe so. And... For real? According to my daughter. Exactly the point though. That's exactly the point. And so now, I can say to my kids, this isn't just mom's generation, which how come there's something else to look at? My mom is 76. None of the public figures in her generation got cancer. You didn't see Susan Sarandon or Skorn Weaver or Meryl Streep. None of them got cancer. But in my generation, it's like, Maria Manuno's, Christina Abelgate, something's going on with Angelina Jolie, Kate Middleton.

32:58In my generation, the canary is dead in the coal mine. It's not even a question of the negative impact. If we're not looking at statistics, if we're just looking from an observational perspective, it's in the news every single day someone's dealing with cancer. I'll leave you a month. Now you're seeing 20 -year -old deal with this. And I was able to point to that to my daughter and say, this is the shit that I am talking about. She's five years older than you. What does that lady have? Does it say? Yeah, she's claimed that she's got a form of leukemia, I believe. But people... They doubt her. They doubt you for sure they doubt her.

33:35She's a little bit cookey, right? Sure. You're still can't point to the fact. Even if it's not bad baby, who may be lying, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Is it bad baby? I said bad bunny the other day. I might get you like, no, that's the wrapper. She says she insisted she'd been cleared for surgery. She has no regrets about her cosmetic tweaks. What does a cosmetic tweak have to do with leukemia? I don't know. I think people are... They're not going to perform plastic surgery in a cancer patient. What? Is she getting plastic surgery? What is this article about?

34:06Oh, look at the chronic myeloid leukemia piece. Because that's the part I know about. She... Oh, break silence on claims she's a lot about having cancer after being slammed for vaping. Oh, God. Did she lie about it? That's... I was just showing you that. Because of the... Go back up. I don't know. Because that's what she had like a wig. Go back up please. She lost her hair. 21 says currently battling chronic... How do you say that? Myeloid? Myeloid leukemia? Yeah. Criticized for getting cosmetic surgery while battling disease, which is pretty crazy. Is that really true? That's the part that she underwent plastic surgery and challenged rival Alabama Barker to a physical fight.

34:42See, that's all right. Battling leukemia. Barely Alabama Barker did not show up for that fight because my daughter was very disappointed. What they were going to meet somewhere in actual fight? I think in Calabassus and throw down. Oh, boy. The Calabassus throw down. That's right. Of course. It used to be an old West shoe down. That's a Calabassus throw down. Sure, there's a hair pulling all kinds of stuff. I want to can tell you with a certainty. Is that the rate of early on -side cancer diagnosis in people 18 to 49 has gone up 79 % over the past two decades. So if in fact bad baby is being untruthful and deceitful, those statistics are real.

35:22Yes, those statistics are real. And including the big leap since the COVID vaccine was rolled out. You know, I don't have any information on that. There was a doctor that was on the Tucker Carlson show the other day that was saying he's seeing pancreatic cancer in kids for the first time ever in his career. Said my entire career I never saw pancreatic cancer in children. Okay. I want to play devil's advocate to that argument and simply say the statistic that I just cited I believe came out in 2019. So this is pre -COVID -19. Oh, I'm not doubting that. So is it. In environmental factors. I think there's a host of different things going on.

35:57I agree. For sure there's pesticides and herbicides. That's a major factor. You know, when you look at the fact that 90 plus percent of people have round up in their blood, that's crazy. You know that stuff is linked to chemical warfare from Vietnam. It has a historical connection to agent orange. Really? Yeah. Google, Jamie, check that. But yeah, because I wrote about it in a book. Oh, I know. That should alarm you. Glyphosate is everywhere. It's so spooky. This episode is brought to you by SimplySafe. We've talked about digital threats in protecting your personal information on the show before.

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37:42And then you eat that corn. And you're getting glyphosate residue. You're just getting it. And it's in your blood. It's in everything. It's in everything. It's in rice. It's in water. It's in wheat. Yeah. Well, this is the runoff. So it gets in the fish. You know, most freshwater fish have toxic levels of lead and or heavy metals in them. Like most, most freshwater fish. You really probably shouldn't be eating. I knew big predatory fish. Yes. That's in the ocean. But that's heavy metals from the ocean, which is also from us. But that's mercury. But there's toxic levels of heavy metals and pollutants and you know, forever chemicals that are in freshwater fish.

38:25Because all that shit that's in the ground gets into lakes. Right. All that shit that, you know, all the runoff, all that stuff gets in the streams, gets into creeks, gets into rivers. You know, we watched a video when we had Will Harris from White Oak Pastures on the podcast. And he showed the difference between his regenerative farm that doesn't use any pesticides or herbicides and his neighbor's farm. And there's literally a dividing line in the river where you can see the runoff from his neighbor's farm turns the entire river brown. And it's legal. It's legal to pollute. Of course. Because it's industrial farming.

39:03Exactly. But it's crazy. It's just like all that industrial fertilizer, herbicides and pesticides are running off because the topsoils dead. So all that stuff is running off as soon as it rains and it runs right into the river. And you could see a dividing line. There's like clear water on one side and this disgusting brown dirty water on the right side. Have you seen where it runs from the river into the ocean and creates dead zones that you can see from space? No oxygen. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing would jellyfish. Well, I have a friend of mine who was a yoga instructor and he's from Argentina. And he came to America and no one told him.

39:44He lived in LA. No one told him don't surf after it rains. So he was surfing and he didn't understand that all the runoff from all the streets goes into the ocean. He got horribly sick. And he was bedridden. And he was like, what the fuck is going on with the ocean? Having grown up in California and spending a lot of time in the water, I have known this for years. And now I can't even imagine, by the way, in California who would dare to get in the ocean at this point considering all of the crap from the fires. That's a great irony. That's my favorite. Oh, we're not doing any forestry mitigation because of the environment.

40:27And yet these fires have rolled back all of those protections by something like 20 years. Yeah. Is it just? Well, that ground's ruined forever. Destroyed and it pours into the ocean. Twice the size of Manhattan, ruined ground. All those people that had electric cars, those cars, those batteries, all that shit is all of the plastics and the fiberglass and carbon fiber. All that stuff, the tires, all that stuff is now in the soil. And you're going, if you good luck having a garden. Good luck. You want to try to grow plants? Good luck. I was talking to, um, I don't know if you've ever seen this gentleman.

41:03He's really great. He wrote a book called E2B disease named Dr. William Lee and he called me after the fire because I was out there visiting my mom. He's like, where are you? Are you in California? And I was like, I am at the moment. In fact, I'm right here by Paul Sades and he said, Jill, do you remember 9 -11 dust that whole thing with all that? I was like, of course, I remember. Send me a bunch of articles and he's like, you gotta get out of there. Get your mom out of there. He's like, it gets in your kids' clothes when they're on their way to school. It people, he goes, we're going to be talking about this 10 years from now, the result of the toxins in this fire and how they've affected people's health.

41:41No doubt. No doubt. Crazy. And it has been twice a year. Yeah. At least. Oh, I was evacuated three times when I lived in LA. I, uh, in fact, I lost two homes, one that I owned in 2018 and one that I sold in 21 just actually burned. You know, it's nuts. It's crazy. And nothings. I mean, what they did during the fire was just so insane. The fact that the reservoir was empty, oh, we need to make a lid for it. We didn't get around to it. For over a year and it hadn't even begun. There were so many things wrong there that I could literally... It was like a funding jillion. They don't have enough money.

42:19Oh, they can't. Have you seen Mike Shellenberger talk about this? Yes. That will make your blood boil. Yeah. He's... He's... I love him. He's like, we knew about this for seven days with the winds and we could have, you know, we could have borrowed fire fighters from all the different states and this and that and had them free position. Care about when the Gona for a birthday party... Oh my god. Knowing! Between Mike Shellenberger and Corolla whipping me into a frenzy about this. I literally think I've, like, popped 10 blood vessels. Because so much of this could have been mitigated and wasn't.

42:54And in fact, Gavin Newsom, my favorite politician. He's my favorite podcaster. I wish we would get back to him. He stopped. I don't know why he stopped. Oh, did he stop? I didn't know that. That fucking show was horrible. Oh god, I'm too... Everybody was mocking him. It was so bad for him. He had this idea of reaching across the aisle. So he reached across the aisle and he gets guys like Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon on and then they eat his lunch. And so, and people I think in his party like what the fuck are you doing? You're making us look horrible so he bails on his podcast. What was his last episode?

43:24I didn't realize he bailed. Oh, he's back. I don't think so. Yeah, no, we weren't gonna get that lucky. I don't think so. Oh, Rahman Manual. Okay, that's, well now he's with his own side. Scott Galloway. Yeah. Pretty much his own side. Yeah. Yeah. Anthony Scarmucci, he hates Trump. That's a good move. Yep. Ezra Klein. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. So it's not that it's gone away. It's just that it's so horrible. Nobody's watching it. And nobody's even talking about it anymore. Yeah, that might be it. This is Gavin Newsom. That's all my god. But it was so funny because that was the response after the election.

44:00They said, well, podcasts influence the election. So we'll start our own podcast. Your podcast is going to make people even more inclined to not vote for you. My favorite was we need our own version of Joe Rogan. And I love him. I remember when you loved Bernie, you were like, I like the guy. You had Joe Rogan. Joe was on your side. That's the one thing with the left is they purge people from the party. Because it's occult. It really is. Like leftism. Not being an actual progressive. Like an actual progressive is a person who's kind, who wants people to just exist and be yourself and live amongst us.

44:42And we should all have social safety, net and laws that like are kind and compassionate. We should look at the fact that we are an incredible first world nation. And we should like roll out the red carpet to all the people that live here and try to make it a better place for everybody. That's real progressivism. And then it morphed into this like let perverts get into the women's room and let men compete in women's sports. And ignore the fact that some people are fucking psychotic and give them a blank check as long as they just say they're a woman. Like, oh, you're a woman. Go ahead. Court Blanche get in.

45:19And not only that, but treat them better than you treat women themselves because they're actually more oppressed than women. So that's the oppression hierarchy. Right. So they get the gold medal in the oppression Olympics. It's like it's bananas. It is bananas. It really is. I can't that's the stuff where you look and you say I was never for any of this. Yeah. If you I'm libertarian, I'm for personal freedoms. Of course. If you want to change your gender as an adult, that's absolutely up to you. And I would fight for your right to do that and live with dignity. But when your personal choices impact the rights and the freedoms of others, this is a far more nuanced conversation.

45:59Far more. And it's like, oh, especially when you're dealing with kids. Oh, that's a whole different. This is where it gets really crazy. That's evil. There's this hilarious conversation between this woman who is like she looks like she's probably in her 70s. And this person's asking her if you had a granddaughter, would you support them taking puberty blockers? She's like, absolutely, absolutely. I think it's insane to try to force a girl to go through puberty. If she's really a boy and this not, would you would you allow them to get a tattoo? Oh, I think that's permanent. No irony. Seconds later.

46:42No recognition of what she's saying. Tattoos can be removed, lady. I know. Yeah. They can laser those off. Have you noticed though? They really don't understand it. No. And I got in a conversation with Jessica Tarlov about this and she's like, oh, but they, the kids go through extensive therapy. I'm like, that's not true, Jessica. Or the concept that it's reversible. People believe that it's exactly. Not always it not true, but puberty blockers are exact same thing to give to sex criminals. When, when you have a sexual molester that is forced to be on sterilization drugs, that's exactly what they give to young boys.

47:19It sterilizes kids. Yeah, it's the same thing. It takes away sexual function. They can, if you interrupt puberty in the stage, Tanner 2. And the reason I bring this up is because they'll tell you it's reversible. No. And, but here's the thing. So when I actually went through this exercise with somebody and I was like, show that to me. And they went on chat GPT and it's like, yes, this is reversible. And the argument is that should you have a child that starts puberty at seven and you use puberty blockers, it's very rare. It can happen. And they do it strategically to slow that down for a child and help them develop at a normal pace.

47:55They, it doesn't sterilize them or make them incapable of having an organism. So the distinction that's key is when you block puberty at the stage of Tanner 2, which is arguably the appropriate age that puberty is meant to begin. Then you've got sterilization, you've got an inability to ever have an orgasm. It affects bone development, it affects brain development. It's just strokes. It's terrible for them. Their, for example, their children, their body is not developed properly. Nobody understands that. They don't, when they make that argument, they're told the parting line of, if you make them go through this, they'll kill themselves.

48:36And it turns out that the data doesn't bear out to prove that either. Not only that, it goes the other way. The data goes the other way. It goes the other way. There's 25 % more likely to commit suicide, suicidal ideation, depression, anxiety. All those things ramp up once they've transitioned. Because they realize like they're, they've made a horrible mistake and they've been influenced by these crazy people. They want to use them as like virtue flags. They want to use children as virtue flags. It's fucking insane. They also shouldn't be allowed to call them a different thing than when they call them, they call them chemical castration drugs for sex offenders.

49:13But yet they call them puberty blockers. And gender affirming care. Gender affirming care? They're not lovely. Yeah, it's, it's fucking barbaric and bananas. And we're going to look back at it the same way we looked at lobotomies. You know, we performed lobotomies for, I think, roughly around 50 or 60 years for, I think they stopped it in 1967. I think that's when they stopped the last lobotomies. And then they realized like, oh my god, this is a terrible thing to do. But they did it for so fucking long. And this is the same thing that's going to happen with this, this whole gender affirming care thing for, for minors.

49:49It's crazy. Kids don't know what's going on. You have children. You know, it's like, they go through phases and cycles. They become tomboy's and boys play with dolls like, who cares? A lot, by the way, a lot of those boys that want to transition, they turns out they're just gay. And if you just leave them and let them be gay, and a lot of my gay friends fucking hate it. Because they're like, you're trying to erase gay people. You're trying to say that all these gay people are really in the wrong gender. That's, oh god, I've never thought of it from that angle. I have seen the financial component though.

50:22Oh, that's a big problem. It's a multi -billion dollar business. That's where it's evil. And when you look at who's funding this stuff, you know, I remember my cut, it used to go to the friggin' human rights campaign dinners. And donate, you know, you're fighting for gay marriage and good, good liberal. And now, when you go to their page, if they've got a score, and if we're giving me, I can't remember the friggin' name of it. But there's a score where they rate different medical institutions on how they provide gender affirming care. And if they get a bad score, it impacts, I think, how much grant money they can get.

50:58There's a page for this. I believe it's through the HRC on their website. And when you look at who funds it, Pfizer. That's not at all surprising. And I have one drug. I think Lupron is almost a billion dollar of your business. Off -liable. I forgive me. It's been a minute since I've looked into this. But I'm in the zone for sure. Oh, yeah. Terrifying stuff. Well, it's just the money thing. It's so scary. Because when money gets attached to anything, all ethics and morals go out the window, and they just try to make as much money from these things as humanly possible. And they've always done that.

51:34Yeah. They've always done that across the board with virtually everything, and we're surprised when it happens with children. This episode is brought to you by ShipStation. Managing an e -commerce business is challenging enough without the added chaos of shipping and order fulfillment. It can feel like trying to herd cats on roller skates. That's where ShipStation comes in. With its simple dashboard, ShipStation lets you handle all your shipping needs in one place, automating tasks, securing the best shipping rates, and even printing labels with a single click. Whether you're shipping a few packages a day or thousands, it grows alongside your business.

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53:03For alcohol, you must be legal drinking age. Please enjoy responsibly. Product availability varies by region, sea app for details. I don't know. You and I are surprised, but I think most people are not awake at all about it. Most people aren't awake at all. And if it doesn't affect them personally, they feel like it's important to espouse these beliefs because these beliefs show that you're a good progressive. Yes, 100%. Yeah, it's like people's minds have been co -opted. But I don't necessarily believe in demons and angels. I don't believe that. But if you were the devil, wouldn't money be your most valuable tool to get people to do absolutely atrocious evil things that are going to ruin their lives?

53:51Money is like the devil's playground. It's like where the devil can convince good people to do things. And then you use words like gender -affirming care and you can kind of change the narrative. But the end result is really just you're profiting off of people's confusion. And you're doing so in a way where you're sacrificing. It's literal child sacrifice. Those children that wind up committing suicide because they went through this gender -affirming care and are horribly depressed. And they don't have breasts anymore. And they're so confused and they can't have children. And they just wind up killing themselves.

54:28And this is sacrifice. This is like a form of child sacrifice for financial gain. I mean, you're not sacrificing them to the gods or to demons. You're doing it too money. And it's really wild that we can't see that. We can't like look at all the data and see. And understand the complex interaction of human beings and people that are around them that influence them. And they get encouragement. And then they get positive feedback. And then they show up at school wearing lipstick. And everyone's like, you're amazing. You're amazing now, Bobby. Now that you're Roberta. Now you're amazing. You used to be some guy that got stuffed into a locker.

55:07And now your girl is incredible. And you're giving them this positive feedback. And it's money. And people are profiting off of it. It's fucking insane. And it's so wild to watch it all play out and realize, like, we are so vulnerable to influence. Human beings are so, I mean, this is what cults exist. This is why people are willing to be religious martyrs and blow themselves up. And which, by the way, why do they do that? Why do they get kids to wear a suicide vest? Because you can't convince a 55 -year -old guy to do it. 55 guy with a job and a family and a lot of interests and good friends.

55:47Tough to get him to wear that suicide vest. You know, he's like, what? What am I doing? I'm going to a mall. What the fuck? No, why am I doing that? I'm going to heaven. And I'm going to get 72 virgins. Can you show me these virgins? Like, it's either a fucking... What happened to them? How did these poor virgins wind up in heaven? It's getting rate by this 55 -year -old guy who blew himself up. Like, this is fucking insane. It's insane. I know. We can't get adults to believe that. But you can get children to believe that. So we don't want to, like, take that same ability to influence and then just transfer it over to children.

56:22And... I'm not quite sure why the human mind is so fragile. I've asked myself that so many times. And this is going to sound totally off -peace here. But you brought up demons and what have you. And I just watched that. I didn't read the book. So forgive me. But I watched the documentary on the book, chaos, on Netflix. Oh yeah, I read the book. Okay. Are you not completely... I cannot wrap my head around. How manson got seemingly normal people to commit this kind of murder. And when you listen to these women talk about it, they're like, and then I stabbed her 15 times. And I felt the knife go into her hip bone.

57:09And she looked at me and said, I'm dead. And then like, no emotion. What did you do to this woman's mind? And you can't say she's an outlier. Because he was able to convince the group of people. I cannot understand this kind of... Well, that's... For Jolly. What is that? That's uncale. Is it that? Do you think it's that? No, 100%. That's Jolly West. Jolly West was the CIA operative who visited Manson in jail. He's also the guy that visited Jack Ruby after he shot Kennedy. And then Jack Ruby starts saying, I'm seeing demons and the Jews are on fire. And you know, Jack Ruby didn't have a history of mental illness like that.

57:51Like, like, complete psychotic breakdowns. But he did after Jolly West visited him in jail. Yeah, there was like, there's like real documentation about those experiments. One of them is Operation Midnight Climax. So the CIA was operating brothels and they were operating brothels where they would have two -way mirrors and they would be behind the mirrors and these prostitutes who were working for the CIA would give the Johns LSD. And then they would observe them. This is all documented. I do know, I knew a little bit about MK Ultra and obviously in that they were using psychedelics to influence people and try to gain a mind -teens.

58:30LSD in particular, yeah. Okay, so here's my question. This is what I find so fascinating. Do you think that the LSD simply accelerated that mental vulnerability or the ability to warp someone's mind? Because when you tell people now, you're going to perform a sex change on a child. They think that's a good idea. And I'll tie it back to one thing that also was seemingly unrelated. But everyone's outraged about RFK. It's not a doctor. Oh my God, he's trying to get to the root of autism and he's misguided about it. Where was your outrage when Xavier Bacchero, not a doctor, wanted to remove all age limits for sex changes on kids, whether surgery or not, the medicalization component that we talked about.

59:17Like that to me is all groups, I coasts. I wonder, like to get an adult to, I'm like, where's your outrage and your concern about this? Because this is batshit crazy. And nobody said a word. Nobody cared it when completely under the radar. And I'm just wondering if the ability to capture someone's mind in the way that they did, through these CIA studies, did LSD simply accelerate a vulnerability that's already pre -existing and you're watching the brainwashing of people go on over the course of decades. Because if you said this to a person, arguably when Obama's first term, when he ran on gay marriage, that you were going to run sex changes on children in the year 2024, people would have lost their freaking mind.

1:00:03So it's just a complete, it is, it's just, they must have been brainwashing though. Yeah, it is brainwashing. And cults, we all know that cults are real, right? We all know about the Manson family. We all know about Jim Jones. We all know about cults. And we know that human beings are very vulnerable to group influence. Now, when you have someone that's actually being trained by people that are psychologists and that understand influence, and then also trained in using the implementation of LSD on these people, one of the things that Manson would do is he would pretend to take LSD and then he would give it to them and then influence them.

1:00:43While they were under the influence and he was sober and this is, this was all learned through the Harvard LSD studies, which by the way created the Unibomor. Ted Kaczynski was a part of the Harvard LSD studies. Oh my God, how do we not know this? Yeah, well, I know he was a genius. Yeah, you know, which, well, he had, there was a bunch of things wrong with him. First of all, when he was a baby, he was severely ill and they put him in some sort of an infirmary and he didn't have any human touch for months. For months, they just, they, like when he cried and he's in his crib, they left him there.

1:01:17His brother talked about it. There's a documentary on Netflix about him and his brother talked about, like even before the Harvard LSD studies, he, they would, you know, he was like really fucked up, but really fucked up, complete lack of empathy. Like and just, yeah, complete sociopath as a young man. And it would express itself when he would experience rejection from women, he would have like violent reactions to that rejection and write them horrific letters and torture them and yell at them. Oh Jesus, it's so scary. And then, then he goes through the Harvard LSD studies, which a part of his particular studies was humiliation.

1:01:57So he would be under the influence and they would humiliate him and they would abuse him and try to get him to a certain state of mind. So then this guy goes off to Berkeley, becomes a professor and his whole idea is to just make enough money so that he can implement this program. Here's what's crazy about his ideas. He's kind of right. So he's kind of right and he thinks that technology is going to replace human beings. Like he sees this through all of his acid trips that human beings are going to be, and we probably are. We probably are going to be replaced by AI. It's happening. We probably are going to be replaced by synthetic life that we create and we're facilitating that with our reliance on technology.

1:02:44So he decides he's going to live off the grid in a cabin and kill all the people that are involved in technology. A very twisted, distorted reaction to this thing that we're recognizing as being real in 2025, that we are experiencing, we have AI on our phones now. We're constantly being monitored, we're constantly being surveilled. Your rights are getting very murky because all of your data is being given away. Everybody knows everything about you. It's easy to influence people with algorithms and also with bots and it's being used for political discourse, it's been used for so many different things.

1:03:19Essentially, we don't want to think that cults can be half the country. But for sure, it can be half the country. It can be the whole country. If you live under Sharia law, it's the whole country. Of course. The whole country believes that women have to cover every part of their body except their eyeballs. Yes. This kind of thinking, we're very vulnerable to groupthink. And especially groupthink that's being intentionally manipulated also and then being done with psychedelic drugs. Now, they did it during the Manson era because they were trying to stop the anti -war movement. So, they were trying to hit these people that were like, hey, make love, not war.

1:03:59We have to change the association that the general public has with these people because too many people are joining up with them. And so, what they did was they got the Manson family and they got them to commit these horrific crimes. And every time Charles Manson, we get arrested, he would get let out of jail. I mean, he was violating parole left and right and the cops that arrested him were all being told when they were interviewed. They would say, this is above my pay grade. They're telling me that I have to let him go. So, they would be contacted by someone from the State Department or wherever and saying, let him go.

1:04:33I saw that somewhat alluded to in the documentary of like, well, you know, when the one guy, I'm going to watch this. Never my bottom line is they generally alluded to that. But because I didn't read the book, there wasn't that kind of in -depth takeaway. Yeah, unfortunately, the documentary is only like what, like, 90 minutes. It's very short. Yeah, the book is... And it draws a connection, but it doesn't prove out its points. And I couldn't quite understand. I'm like, well, where's the proof of that until you just explained it? Tom O 'Neill, the guy who wrote that book, is he's been on the podcast before.

1:05:04He was my friend, Greg Fitzsimmons' neighbor in New York. And he was writing this 20 plus years. So, Greg was his friend when it was happening. Like, when he started... So, what he was doing is he was writing an article. I think it was for vanity fair or variety, I forget. But the article was on the anniversary of the Manson killings. And so, it was supposed to be just like, hey, this is the anniversary, just write an article about the facts. So, he starts going into the facts of the case, and he's like, what, wait a minute? And so, he starts investigating, and he can't investigate enough. And then he gets in trouble because like the deadline's passed.

1:05:47And then he gets a book deal, and the deadline passes on that. He's just completely obsessed with getting to the bottom of this, and absorbing more and more information, and documenting it all. He's got enough for many books. And I think I believe he's writing another book right now. That is absolutely insane. Yeah. You know that the huge irony is that these drugs, as we both know, these drugs can save lives. Yeah. And I was just talking to Callie and Brigham, then, you know, who are involved in the Texas Ibergain Initiative. And what's so fascinating is... Very different drug. Okay, but what about psilocybin?

1:06:23Like, when I talked to... Also, very different drug. Is it really? Very, very different drug. Yeah, LSD is very different than all of them. So they didn't use psilocybin or Ibergain or Neymet's job? No, not the deal. With that, but perhaps you could, if you did it correctly, if you knew how to manipulate people, like, Jolly West was well versed in manipulation. I mean, this was the whole part of the CIA's program. And by the way, it's not just the CIA. It's other intelligence agencies. MI5 was doing it. The UK studies on psychedelics. You could see the videos of British troops on acid. They dozed up these British troops from...

1:07:04I want to say it's the 1950s. Do you know that video, Jim? You know the video. We've played it before. But these guys are, you know, with full fatis, just laughing, leaning up against trees, laughing. They gave them a mistake. To what end? Both of them want to find out what it does. They thought it was a true serum. Turns out it's not, like, well, what can it do? And then, so they used people to try to figure out what can be done with it. So this is 25 minutes... Let's put your headphones on real quick. The first effects of the drug became apparent. 25 minutes later. The drug became apparent. The men began to relax and to giggle.

1:07:40But this man was more seriously affected and had to be removed from the exercise. After 35 minutes, one of the radio operators had become incapable of using his set. And the efficiency of the rocket launcher team was also very impaired. Ten minutes later, the attacking section had lost all sense of urgency. Notice the bunching and indecision as they enter a wood occupied by the enemy. Almost immediately, the section commander tried to use a map to find the location of troop headquarters. And a prisoner's escort had to have the way pointed out to him. Although it was in plain sight, 700 yards away over open country.

1:08:2150 minutes after taking the drug, radio communication had become difficult, if not impossible. But the men are still capable of sustained physical effort. This man nearly succeeded in felling this tree using only a spade. However, constructive action was still attempted by those retaining a sense responsibility in spite of physical symptoms. But one hour and ten minutes after taking the drug, with one man climbing a tree to feed the birds, the commander gave up, admitting that he could no longer control himself or his men.

1:08:59Yeah, so this is one of the first experiments they did with LSD and soldiers. Would you be trying to spray the air over the opposition? What is that? You can infect their food supply, you can infect their water supply. So using it against your enemy. You could do that. There was also some experiments that they ran. I think it was in St. Louis where they were using a fan and they were spraying things, aerosol spraying, to see what kind of effect things would have on people. Our government, if you give them the license, let's just stop saying that. Let's just say human beings with unchecked power.

1:09:48Human beings with unchecked power, they have an imperative. What are they trying to do? Well, they're trying to figure out what this stuff does and what's the best way to do it. You try it out on soldiers. They've always done that with vaccines and a bunch of different experimental androgens. They've dosed them up with steroids and all sorts of different things to increase aggression. Methamphetamine was used during the war to get kamikazis to fly their planes into boats. The Nazis did it. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen that footage of him. I think it was at the Olympics. Yes, 1936 the Olympics.

1:10:21That was just fucking. Just rockin'. I've heard that if he did not have, they propped him up on that to the degree that he was able to subsequently get the vaccine. It convinced Mussolini to jump into the mess. Yeah, yeah. Jesus. Have you ever read Blitz? No. Do we have it here still, Jimmy? Norman Oler wrote this insane book on the ubiquitous use of drugs during the Third Reich and how it caused them to go through Poland in three days because they stayed up for three fucking days on meth. And they gave the most meth to the people that were driving the tanks because they were at the front. So it was like they gave different doses depending on what your job was.

1:11:04And they just methed up ran through Poland and they caught these people just like in France, like their soldiers were given wine. So these people were like drunk and then the Nazis came through methed up and just fucking killed everybody. You know, I've heard that, I don't know if this is true or not. So I heard that similar things were given, forgive me for throwing this out there, could be total bullshit. But to Hamas on the October 7th attack in order to be able to commit those kinds of atrocities. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know either. I've heard it through friends who are Israeli, it could be bullshit.

1:11:42But I would wonder if you have to commit those kinds of violent acts against another human being. I would imagine you'd have to be altered in some capacity. I can't even fathom being able to, I don't know, I can't, I can't wrap my mind around. Well, I think human beings are capable of great atrocities without any kind of... One like that though. Yeah. Really? Yeah, they do it. I mean, look at Vietnam. Look at the things that people did during Vietnam. I don't think they dozed them up in Vietnam. Yes, you're right. No, I guess you're right. And you know, in Vietnam people were taking heroin and smoking weed and they were still doing that.

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1:14:30I can understand that. I can understand that. I'm pretty sure it's by the group. Okay, right, fair. But the... Yeah, no, I get it. So visceral. And he is. And I don't mean to bring the bog down. But it's one thing to kill another human being that I have to, this is how we survive. Whatever it is, we're fighting Nazis and you don't have a choice. Okay, fair. But to behead's just that, you know, that kind of stuff I just think... Torture, yeah. I often ask this is going to a very unplanned place, but I ask myself what I'm capable of. If somebody hurt my kids or hurt my wife or hurt my mom, I think what would I be capable of doing?

1:15:12I bet you'd be capable of extreme violence. I think without question, but I would be capable of it, but I don't like blood. I can't stand blood on like guts. It would make me sick. It would horrifying me. So I'm like, how would I... This is the shit that tortures me in the middle of the night when I can't sleep. Like, how far removed am I from this mentality? Like, am I just a few catastrophes away from losing my mind and becoming a lunatic? Well, that's the appeal of the walking dead. Right. The walking dead. The zombies become inconsequential. The real problems, people. Yes, that's so true. And I could do a hell of a lot of horrendous things, but I couldn't like...

1:15:51Some of the torture methods... I don't know, how do you have the stomach for it? Well, like, look at what they did during the Inquisition. You can't say that that was drugs. These were people that just decided they were going to torture people. And they had... You know, they decided they othered people. And this is a really evil aspect of human nature. How do you defend against it, do you think? If we all have it in us, what is the antidote to that? You have that strong army. You have people that can defend you against people that want to do that to people here. And then they have to have a strong ethical and moral foundation where they would never...

1:16:36Be compromised. Yeah, they have to be the good guys. They have to think that they're the good guys and have a very strong ethical and moral foundation that doesn't allow them to compromise that. It's tough though, because when people fight dirty, it's such a massive disadvantage. Right. That then you think, well, I'm going to lose if I don't make this sacrifice in how I'm behaving or how I'm tackling this. Well, we like to think that we're the good guys, but the biggest thing that's ever been done to human beings that's horrific is the nuclear bomb. Like indiscriminate killing of civilians, hundreds of thousands, boom in one shot.

1:17:12Okay, the argument being that you drop it and then the war ends. Yeah. So it's the lesser of evils. You know, you've sacrificed hundreds of thousands of people in that moment, but did you save millions down the road? Can you justify the behavior utilizing that logic? Well, you know, I committed this atrocity, but I saved more lives. Like that's the slippery slope that I think about often is you were just talking about this the other day when you know, be careful you don't become a monster. Yeah. When you're fighting monsters. Yeah. And sometimes it's that it's that fire, fighting, fire conversation you want to use water.

1:17:50But what if it doesn't work? Yeah, sometimes you have to come and monster. Sometimes you honestly, Joe, I hate to say it, but sometimes you have to. Yeah, if you want to defeat evil, you have to become a monster. Because if you don't, you won't beat it. You have to do horrific things to beat horrific people. You have to kill them, right? Like if someone's invading and they're shooting guns at people and they show up at the beach and they pull up and boats and they start gunning people down, you have to do the same to stop that. You can't like bring out daisies and go, hey guys, like I bake you these pot brownies just like, let's just chill.

1:18:25Let's just rethink this man. To the best and younger said this to me once he's like, listen, if you aren't willing to talk to the worst enemy, you have to fight them. But it's when the talking doesn't work. And you see that all the time. You see, I see it in my own personal life when all of my best intentions and my, like, calmest demeanor and my most empathetic approach to something fails because you're just not dealing with somebody who is rational or rational. You know, you're well -intentioned and if you broaden that out. Well, then imagine a language barrier. We have no idea what they're saying.

1:19:00Right. Yeah. And then a cultural barrier where their culture believes that if they die, that they're going to go to heaven and that there be a martyr. And so they're willing to do that. They're excited to die and to kill you with them because they believe that the real prize is not in this life. That's insane. It's in the next life. We're saying that we could... But this is, we're very vulnerable. We're very vulnerable to this kind of thinking. And I don't know why we're designed this way. I don't know. It's a distortion probably of tribal, survival, primate instincts. You know, you see it with...

1:19:38Have you ever watched Chimp Nation? No, I was actually going to say animals don't have it, but then they are... Oh, they do. Really? I mean, I know lions will kill in it. They're territorial. But the capacity for torture. I've never seen that in the animal kingdom. You never see a cat with a mouse? Okay. Yeah, I guess I have. Yeah, they torture mice. They hold onto them and then they let them go. And the mouse like, oh, Jesus, you're going to let me go. Like, not today, motherfucker. Yeah. And then they torture them and want to keep playing with them. Yeah, they have zero empathy. Cats are the worst.

1:20:11Yeah, that's... They have zero empathy, especially house cats because they're well fed. Right? So they're not doing it for food. They're just doing it because they have instincts to kill. Like, these instincts are being... They're being distorted, right? Because like, the real instinct that they have to kill is so that they can survive. But when they're fully fed, they don't turn those instincts off. You know, now they just have this kill drive that's never satiated. And, you know, cats are the perfect killer. They move so fast, they're so stealthy. They have it from the time they're kittens. You see them crawl up to each other.

1:20:48They're like very slowly, very... They jump on each other. I'm thinking about our cat, actually, as you're talking. Yeah. And when we lived in Miami, he would use the dog door and he would bring in iguanas. Whoa, yeah. This big. Yeah. Isn't it crazy? My wife would be like, honey! You know, it was chasing this fucking iguana around the house. It was... Yeah, and he wouldn't kill it. No, they're not trying to kill it. They're having fun. He was having fun now that I... You have a little murderer that you live with. Yeah. He was a little bastard, but yes. That's what cats are. Yeah. And that's a part of their essence.

1:21:23I mean, they are the cleanup crew. They're there to make sure the populations don't get out of control. God, you bring up such a great point. I've already had... There are some of the numbers on cats, like domestic cats, what they kill every year. At the birds, I know they kill a crazy... Billions. Billions. Billions. Billions of birds. He's an evil cat. I don't know. I don't know. Let's look at the numbers. She's a real... I don't know if it's number four, but it's worth repeating. Because it's kind of crazy. So it sort of illustrates this point. So this is like... Billions. Yes. B with B. Like multiple...

1:21:56They know that without me. How scats. Oh, it does they don't have to be. They kill hundreds. Each cat, feral cats are ruthless. House cats, feral cats, wild cats. Any cat that's outside. Yeah, they instantly kill. Okay, here it is. Domestic cats, leading cause of bird deaths in the United States. Estimated kill. It's not a 1 .3 and four billion birds annually. This includes both pet cats and cats at Rome, outdoors, and feral cats. Jesus. American bird conservancy estimates that free -ranging cats kill approximately 2 .4 million. It's hard to know what the real number is. Of course, right. Yeah, but they know it's in the billions.

1:22:33It's in the billions. But imagine how many birds there would be if cats didn't do that. Like, who's going to kill them? Like, the fucking sky would be filled with birds. You go outside. I just get shit on everywhere. I think Alfred Inchcock movie. It's kind of crazy. I mean, when you do look back at the plague and they started killing all the cats because they were associated with witches and that's when the plague was able to kind of run more rampant because the cats were keeping that rat population down and the fleas on the rats caused. Well, that's the coyote problem in California, right? Like people like, oh, I hate coyotes.

1:23:05Right. But do you hate coyotes more than you hate rats? Because coyotes are the reason why rats aren't everywhere. You know, like where I used to live, like, there was a lot of coyotes, but I don't see very many rats. And that's the reason why the wolves, the little wolves, which is what a coyote is, the small wolf. They're rat killers and rabbit killers and everything else they get a hold of. I mean, it's obvious that they're playing a role in this control. Yeah, exactly. But because everyone in California just thinks they ate my pomegranate and they don't see, yeah. Oh, they probably did. Yeah.

1:23:43And they probably did. I mean, as a child, I... They ate my daughter's puppy. Yeah. But a mountain lion ate one of my dogs when I lived in Colorado. Yeah, it's like, there's cats are mother fuckers, you know? Yeah. And predators, like, at least predators are doing it for food. Well, I was gonna say, you don't hold it against as a child. I lost a dog to a coyote. It's like, well, the dog was in the yard and we didn't coyote proof the yard. And off let's fucking coyote proof the yard. Yeah, really coyote proof your yard, either. I had a coyote kill a chicken in my yard. We had a six foot tall rod iron fence with the rollers on it.

1:24:21No, we didn't have a roller. Okay. But the coyote with the chicken and its mouth leaped to the top, like a ballerina. Like it was so elegant the way I was really impressed with its athleticism. And as a person, like, it admires physical feats. I was like, well, that's very impressive because we got chicken in its mouth leaped up to the top of the fence. Got its paws on it, went over just so gracefully and so adept. It was really impressive. Okay, fair. This is, I guess animals do have a propensity for cats in particular. I did not think of it that way. That makes me feel a little better. Because that thing is fucked up because they're not even doing it for food.

1:25:00But it's like that thing inside of them has been, it's there. You can't satisfy it with just food. I mean, they literally are the clean up crew for nature. That's what they are in Africa. When you see them, they're looking for the wound in antelopes. They're looking for anybody who's old. They're looking for anybody who just can't run fast enough. And that's what they do. And that's how they keep the populations down. You know, this is the reason why they've reintroduced wolves into Colorado. And that's the reason why they reintroduced wolves in Montana. And the elk populations decrease significantly.

1:25:33Because the elk populations were out of control. So they brought in wolves and the wolves radically dropped the population down. And they even do surplus killing. They'll kill a bunch of things where they can't eat. But just that they can't help themselves. They have the opportunity to kill. And so they do. So what is the antidote to this within the human population? Because I see the necessity for survival. But it can make you quite depressed if you let it. It can make you a bit nihilistic. And fighting for the hope and the good is so much. My mom says that to me all the time. Because when I try to show her some of the things you and I talked about in the beginning.

1:26:17And I don't you see, and this is rigged. And who's really pulling the strings? And these are a bad guy. And she's like, honey, I'm 76. Like, leave me alone. And this fun. I want to. There's nothing wrong with that. She's like, I want to see the good in people. Try to see Mr. Rogers look for the helpers. But you can fall into really becoming nihilistic about humanity when you witness these things and have these conversations. And I try so hard and I go there in my head. But it's hard not to. Well, we are primitive. We're primitive evolving species. And we're still trapped with these primate bodies.

1:27:01We're territorial primates with weapons. And we're still trapped with the same instincts that got us to the dance. The same instincts that caused us to create walled cities which allowed us to survive. And then agriculture which allowed us to develop surpluses. And then people wanted those surpluses. And they came in. The roving barbarians, the Mongolian hordes. You know, this is all part of our history. And this is the battle of good versus evil. And the battle of good versus evil, I think this duality has to exist. I think you have to have good to combat evil. And you have to have evil to keep good in check.

1:27:43Like, to enhance good and to force people to really, to rise and to innovate and to fit. And to figure out how to defeat evil without evil and without the idea of these hordes. We never would have developed cities. We never would have gone through the industrial revolution. We wouldn't develop cities if we were just roving peaceful, nomadic hunter -gatherers. We would be the same. It serves its purpose. I've read all my collegial jibranas. The deeper your pain, the more ability you have for empathy. I get all of it, but it's seemingly imbalanced now. And I guess that's what I mean. It's always like that.

1:28:25But that is what causes people to strive to do better. I hope you're right, Joe. I think it is. You're definitely one of those guys, which is why bringing it back to the very beginning. I think that you're number one, but I also think you're one out of quite a few. Well, I hope you're right. You have to have principles that you live your life by. And be aware of evil. But do your best to be good. Yeah. And you see the fight. Without evil, you have no desire to be good. Why be so wonderful? Why be kind? There's no contrast. There's nothing you're fighting against. This is, unfortunately, what motivates...

1:29:14What makes you choose, though? Okay, so another thing that I've thought about often is like, evil never stops going. If you've ever heard that good has to decide when it gets out of bed in the morning. You're on the freeway, and someone's got to is broken down on the side of the freeway. And it's like, do you... Are you late for something? Are you worried? There are a million things that will influence whether or not I stop that day. But a bad guy will always see an opportunity to go after that person. Evil works tirelessly and good. Requires a sacrifice. You sacrifice yourself. They last. No, both of them are as good.

1:29:54You might just call up. Mind it? Yeah. Do this connection, my cable? Me? No. I think it's disconnected. Where the mic is? Two darker conversations. It's like, that's it. No more of this dark shit. Is it back now? Oh, yep. But that's weird. I didn't even touch it. Is that before I don't know? Okay, back. This is evil. Yeah, this is evil. Evil's trying to stop me from saying, if the moment I'm saying there's more good than there is evil. The mic disconnects. Yeah, I think unfortunately evil can co -op people, and because good people can become evil when they experience so much evil that they have to become, you know, become a monster, fight against monsters.

1:30:31I'm seeing it even in the health space. As sometimes I'll break up, I'm dealing with the FDA stuff right now, and I was talking him this morning, and he's like, Jillian. He's talking about trying to compound peptides, and there's a war on peptides, and there's a war on stem cells. And of course, it's like the cutting edge of medicine, but he's like describing what they're going up against in dealing with this. And it's evil. Like, why would you want to prevent these life -saving treatments? Well, that's a perfect example. That's money. And if money is the devil, that's a perfect example, because the pharmacist.

1:31:11That's my question. It's not you though. The problem is corporations, I'm sure you've seen this before, corporations behave like a psychopath, right? Because corporations don't have humanity. And when you have a corporation, which I don't know how we get away from not having corporations, so what's the solution there? But corporations have an obligation to their shareholders. Yeah. And sometimes you have to do fucked up things in order to make more money. And that's when you're in the business of drugs. Like that's, like, if you're in the business of making movies, I mean, what fucked up things can you do to make more movies and make movies that more people are going to see?

1:31:48Really nothing. It's like you just have to make them resonate with people. But if you're selling drugs, well, boy, you can influence people. You can lie about studies. You can have your scientists perform studies. And then throw out all the studies that don't jive with whatever you're trying to sell. Compounding. And then you can... Compounding. Yeah, you compromise all these politicians and get them to repeat your narratives. That should be illegal though. Oh, yeah. That should be illegal. You should be able to get rid of... But the problem is, you're not. So how do you get it out? You got a reform campaign finance.

1:32:22Do you remember many moons ago? I believe it was John Edwards who was running on that many moons ago. But as a kid, I didn't fully understand what that meant. As an adult, no one's ever brought that kind of body. Here's step one. You got to say they can't advertise. That's number one. They can't do it. Because not only is it not advertising is not really the problem. It's part of the problem. But the real problem is when they advertise and Cali Means talks about this extensively, now the media will not criticize them because they're responsible for an enormous percentage of their income. 70 plus percent.

1:32:56But the issue, I had this conversation recently and the issue is going to be freedom of speech here. It's going to be a First Amendment fight. But that's not a First Amendment thing. They're going to argue in this show. Because you could still do it on social media. You could still make your own podcast if you're Pfizer. That's the angle they're going to take. I am sure of it. Right, but you can't advertise for cigarettes on television. Why? Because we decide the cigarettes. Kids, I think it's kids. I've heard this conversation. I'm trying to remember who one of the researchers was, but Cali was there.

1:33:26Mark Heimann was there and they were having this exact conversation. One of the people on the other side was suggesting that they have already game to this out. That's the way that they're going to go. Well, ironically, this is self sabotage for the media itself because no one takes them seriously anymore because they don't do that. They don't criticize the pharmaceutical drug companies. They don't talk about vaccine side effects. They don't talk about pharmaceutical drug side effects. They don't. They make you look like you're insane when you do. You're a crazy person. I was on CNN talking about OZEMPIC one time and they essentially called me anti -science because I suggested that.

1:34:04A lot of the drugs. Yeah, I was like, well, when we give people statins and we give people blood pressure medication, it would look at the fucking data on statins, by the way. I was initiating that conversation and I was called anti -science. Well, I'm not even anti -science. They don't understand the data. They won't even allow you to express that on the show anyway. Then never again invited. Of course. On CNN. Because they're compromised. It's not really news. It's only the news that they feel compelled to talk about due to their financial issues. They're not even by the narrative. But the problem is that look at the ratings on CNN.

1:34:44They're fucking collapsing and they're in a spiral. Why? Because no one trusts them anymore. So the public trust has been eroded because of their own desire to make more money. There is an opportunity where a network wanted me to compete against these GLP1 drugs. And everyone loves the idea. But the top concern is, oh, what if Gillian wins? And then it'll be a catastrophe. So the ad sales department is like, I don't know where we can do this. We can't call it a Gillian versus. We can't call it that. Where are we going to call it? I don't know how we're going to position this. I was like, we don't even need to bash it.

1:35:22Let me just do my job. Let's see what happens. But they're even afraid. Like God forbid I won. Yeah. And was able to do it naturally. Do you think there's an argument for GLP1 drugs, though, for people who are morbidly obese? Because I kind of do. Okay. So here's where I've gotten to on all medications, largely. It's a cost -benefit analysis. So if you brought an individual who was morbidly obese and already had the aphorosis and typed you diabetes and chronic kidney disease, and you said we've tried everything, they're a death store. And this is arguably the last step. Well, in that case, the downsides of the medications are far less than not trying it.

1:36:10So in that instance, you could twist my arm for sure. But if you gave me my way, I would prefer to look at what the medications like Ibogane or psilocybin could do for the psychological component, the addictive component. Yes. More on treatment. Yeah. Doesn't go on forever. And then because diet and exercise do work. What's stopping them from engaging in those habits consistently is all the stuff we talked about in the beginning, the psychological component, the physical addiction. So no one's ever tried it though. So there's no way to actually know. And you can't, it's almost impossible to do the research on it, which is again, why the tech side -again initiative is so important.

1:36:53Yeah. Because you can begin this kind of research, although it is in veterans and addiction and so on. But would that be the first step? And what I've asked the people in the space, like Matt Cheppard, for example, who is at Cheppard Pratt and one of the guys that's like the foremost experts on psilocybin and treating addiction is a, yeah, theoretically, you would work great, theoretically. So for me, if we got all the way to this place and I had no choice, that's like saying, Jill, if someone had staged for a cancer, would you do chemo? I mean, I guess so. But I'd like to, if there was an alternative way forward, or if we could prevent it to begin with, that would be ideal.

1:37:30So you could twist my arm to that point. I think there's something to be said for, again, what Brigham is doing, it weighs to well, which is why being able to compound the GLP1 drugs allows you to titrate the dose. So when people argue with me on this matter, they'll suggest that a titrated dose, a lesser amount of these drugs can be effective with significantly less side effects. But when they're trying to block that and you can't even explore it, yeah, it's all weird because I think the problem also is competition, right? If I begin, becomes ubiquitous and these clinics become everywhere, the real issue becomes how much does that compete with the pharmaceutical drug markets value?

1:38:14How much does that decrease their ability to profit? And it's probably significantly. I mean, if it impacts antidepressants alone, that's significant. If it's one treatment could have the impact on obesity that it does on opioid addiction, I and GLP ones are the most profitable drug off all. But here's the thing, if they do allow the use of eye -begin and then also the allow the use of psilocybin, if more people start taking it, more people are not going to buy whatever the pharmaceutical drug companies are selling and they'll just naturally sort of deteriorate. You're always going to have fools.

1:38:55You're always going to have people that just want to whore what take, all take, or whore. There's always going to be people like that. And those people are there to give you a lesson without you having to fall prey to the folly that they have fallen prey to. I think that's the same with a lot of addictions, particularly gambling addiction. I'm in Vegas all the time and I don't gamble. I play Blackjack for fun, but like 20 bucks here. I don't get it. But I see it. I see it. I see that crazed look. I think gambling addiction is one of the weirder ones. I've been around it a good portion of my life.

1:39:36And it's the sweaty fucking faces. This need to gamble is really nuts. And that's another part of the human reward system that's been trying to check. It's the most powerful study. I've ever seen it with the rats where they push the button. No food comes out. Push the button. Food comes out. So the ones that get the intermittent food reward will sit there and push that damn button until they collapse. The ones that push for a little while get nothing, give up. The ones that push until they get food every time, get falling. It's a lot of skin logic. It's the same thing. It's that intermittent reinforcement.

1:40:13We're exceptionally powerful. Jesus eat to manipulate. We're weird creatures. I know. And it's again, it's all our survival instincts. Get hijacked. But if you gave them an alternative path when they are ready for help, when the horse is ready to drink, and you had an alternative method that we're seeing work. Yes. Well, that's the thing. You have the freedom of the use of these alternative methods. And I think naturally those would overcome. They would succeed. I think you'd still probably have gambling addicts. You'd still probably have people that want to take all the pharmaceutical drugs, like whatever the doctor wants to prescribe to them.

1:40:51But it would be less and less. I think they don't want that. Which is why you're seeing the pushback from the FDA with peptides and all these different things. It's because they're concerned that if you give people a bunch of things that are going to make them healthy, they're not going to take as many pharmaceutical drugs. Oh, without, I mean, which is why there's no model for prevention and health care. Right. Not profitable at all. But it's ridiculous. There's a peptide called cerebral lising that they give to stroke patients in other parts of the developed world that can have a massive impact as well on cognitive function and can be neuroprotective.

1:41:25You can't even buy it here. Literally, I had to find it in Austria, ship it into the country and Brigham and Dr. Ruggsburg. Now what do I do with this? Brigham had to walk me through. I'd use it on fricking facetimes. He's like, it's ridiculous. Yeah. It is insane. It's pretty crazy. And I like, I just, I don't know. By the way, there's a new stroke drug that I actually just sent my friend Rich because our friend Keith Robinson. I don't have his number, but he suffered from a stroke. And there's some new drug that, how's sent this to you, Jamie? These UCLA scientists have developed, oh, you got it already.

1:42:06They developed first drug rehabilitation to repair brain damage. Drug replicated the recovery of movement control produced by rehab and mice. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. So this is March 18th. New study by UCLA Health has discovered what researchers say is the first drug to fully reproduce the effects of physical stroke rehabilitation and model mice following from human studies. Yeah. So which is wonderful. It's amazing. So this is the benefit of pharmaceutical drugs. Yes. There are some pharmaceutical drugs that are wonderful. So the goal is to have a medicine as stroke patients can take that produces the effects of rehabilitation.

1:42:47Dr. S. Thomas Carmichael, the studies lead author and professor and chair of UCLA neurology. Rehabilitation after stroke is limited. It's actual effects because most patients cannot sustain the rehab intensity needed for stroke recovery. For this stroke recovery is not like most other fields of medicine where drugs are available to treat the disease such as cardiology, infectious disease or cancer. Carmichael said rehabilitation is a physical medicine approach that has been around for decades. We need to move rehabilitation into an era of molecular medicine. So this is why you don't want to throw the baby out with the back of your hand.

1:43:21Totally right. It's always like that though. Of course. Everything is a U -shaped curve. There's drugs that the pharmaceutical drug companies make that help people and heal them and fix them and save their lives. I couldn't agree with you more. It's great. But it is that goalie locks is just like you have to keep your kids meeting all the sugar. Completely. I just got with looking cough and Joe. I literally thought I was going to die. I ended up at week seven. I called my internist and I was like, I think I need to check me in the fucking hospital. This is insane. I think I'm going to die and they hit me with the horns and the long story short is I am vaccinated for it.

1:44:00But I guess my vaccine or my um, my vaccination or my booster is old. I don't even remember the last time I got it. My wife is vaccinated. My kids are vaccinated for it. My mom is vaccinated for everybody. In my my circle is vaccinated. No one got it. I strongly recommend getting your D -tap vaccine because whooping cough. It was a hundred days of it. So for my point being like I don't want the COVID Jillian. I don't want the COVID vaccine and I don't need it. But I in any universe for me personally, I would if I would have known I was behind on that booster. It's like everything has a cost benefit analysis.

1:44:38Everything it's like the dose is what makes the poison. Everything is that you shape the curve and approaching it with nuance is really the only intelligent way forward to make the best decisions for yourself. But you need the right information to do that. Right. And we need to have actual access to data. And this is a real problem that we've had in the last few decades because there's been this revolving door between the FDA and pharmaceutical drug companies. So people with their, I think it's like seven out of eight heads of the FDA went on to work for pharmaceutical drug companies. We're revolving to our 100 percent.

1:45:12Which so you've developed these relationships with these pharmaceutical drug companies where you're like they're funding the studies. They're funding all and then you leave and then you go to work for them and you get a nice, cost -you -job. So you kind of like look sideways. I can make it worse. I was at the Senate testimony. I can't remember how many months ago that was. But Cali means had us meeting with different senators and their aides and he came up to me and I of course brought that up and he's like it's so much worse than that. And I was like elaborate. What do you mean it's so much worse than that?

1:45:44And he said essentially they developed the drug. Have stock in the company. Go to work at the FDA. Approve the drug and go back to the drug company. There's another step. Got it. It's so much worse. It's completely illegal. Yeah. I mean, want to talk about a conflict of interest. That's the biggest conflict ever and you're dealing with billions of dollars in profit. I was working on a book have been working on a book where it looks at each and every law that was put into place with good intentions. The road the hell is paved with good intentions and how each and everyone was co -opted by big food, big ag or big pharma to wreck complete havoc and destruction.

1:46:33Yeah. And that's what you see. That's what you see and you're going to keep seeing that if nothing gets changed. And that's what's encouraging about this administration. So the thing the thing that I was most excited about was Bobby Kennedy. When Bobby Kennedy united with Trump, I was like, okay, I'm in. Because if he can get in there, you can see real change that's going to affect the way our lives are forever. That's going to change things. It's going to give people a real understanding of what's going on behind the scenes, why you've been lied to, why all these drugs are ever, why you're seeing poor health outcomes, why we're the richest nation in the world, but also the sickest.

1:47:12You know, why, and across the board with education where the richest nation in the world, we have the, we have terrible education scores. Like why? Why? Since we developed a department of education, have our scores plummeted. Like what is that? And again, road to hell, good intentions. Yes. 100%. I was speaking with Kelly. And he's like, you know, don't pull punches because you want to be diplomatic, but I'm finding myself defending Kennedy, who by the way, I've met twice. I have no, I don't work for this administration. I have no personal affiliation. It's just right and wrong. There is a huge problem that needs to be addressed.

1:47:54And this administration wants to address it. And then you are seeing the resistance. You're seeing the opposition flood the zone with hysteria. 24 fucking seven. And it's crazy. It's constantly taking people off piece. I actually did interview the other day on news nation where the host is like, well, you know, he promised results on autism by September. And that's unrealistic. And I was like, who gives a fuck if it's unrealistic? Aren't you glad we're looking at it? It's genetic. I'm like, do you really believe that? Why would anybody say that without doing decades of research themselves? I cannot.

1:48:33Do you really think? Do you know, California is it's now some insane number, like one in 12 boys? It's higher in California, obviously than anywhere else in the country. And boys in particular over girls. But the reality is that we don't know. Well, they also think that one of the reasons why it's boys over girls is like in girls, it's like less obvious. It's less diagnosed. That's interesting. I just seem that. I'm not sure if that's true either. Because that's the argument. Also, it's like, oh, autism has always been here. It's just it hasn't been diagnosed correctly. That was debunks, though, by the mind Institute at UC Davis was like, no, that bullshed.

1:49:12It was one in 150, 20 years ago. But people don't want to admit they did that to their kids. And so they will defend it to the death, just like people who've turned their kids trans don't want to admit that these are chemical castration drugs. They don't want to admit that they possibly have contributed to mental disease, their mental health disease to anxiety and depression and suicide. No, no, no. Would you rather have a live boy or a dead girl? What? Exactly. What are you talking about? But it's a closed system. And what I mean by that is even if I did the gimme, oh, you're right, autism is genetic.

1:49:50Well, what about the rise in early onset cancer diagnosis, the rise in obesity, the steady increase of infertility year after year after year. We went from adult onset diabetes to type two diabetes because children have type two diabetes. It's come on. How far you want to push it? People are not stupid. They're not. You can capture them to a point. But when the evidence is overwhelming, we are sicker than ever. And the resistance is mind blowing to the sky every day. Oh, well, now you know, he fired the guy that's tracking gonorrhea. I'm like, you know what? I mean, where are fucking gone? For god's sake, look at me with that worry.

1:50:36Hopefully that guy will get his job back. But at the end of the day, he's also tackling the grass rule and trying to get to the bottom of autism and getting poisoned out of baby formula and removing soda from snaps. It's just like, where is the perspective for the general public to read through the media bullshit? Well, the problem is it's gone tribal, right? And when you have an us versus them thing going on, which is what we do here in this country, you know, like I keep seeing like people online saying in these dark times, like, are these times so dark? Like, what is happening? You know, you know, it's dark.

1:51:12Yeah, if you're living in Gaza, it's pretty fucking dark. If you're living in Ukraine, pretty dark. But like here is, have things gone dark? Like everything is totalitarian regime. Okay, what's totalitarian that they're cutting fraud and waste? Like, have you paid attention to the fraud and waste? You paid attention to the fact they spent 250 million dollars on transgender animal studies? Like, what is your fucking money going? You're not concerned with this unchecked spending that this government has been able to do for a decade upon decade and these millions of NGOs. Do you know, there's an NGO in India for every 600 people?

1:51:49I did not. I have heard it's a CIA slush. I've watched that episode with my friends. There's three and point three million NGOs in India. There's an NGO in India for every 600 people. And this is why we're 36 trillion dollars in debt. That those numbers are nuts. Can I be the opposition? Sure, please do. There's children that are starving Joe. You've taken their food away. Well, we definitely shouldn't do that. You know, if you can prove that this is also the problem with charities. This is the dark truth of charities. Most charities, the money goes to bureaucracy. A huge percentage of it goes to overhead.

1:52:31In fact, most charities, the vast majority of the money never gets to the charity homelessness in California. 24 billion gone. Where is it? It was where's the money and the problem's worse? Preneedles or something. Exactly. This exactly what it was spent on. It wasn't even. It's probably fraud and waste. It's both. And there's also in the home. Well, my friend, Koli on the wire, he brought this up and I was never aware of it until he said it. He went to San Francisco and he saw the rampant and he's a lawyer. So he went to San Francisco and he saw all this homelessness. And he's like, what is the problem?

1:53:06There's not enough funding. And a guy over there called, no, no, no, no, you don't understand. It's the opposite. There's a business now. So these people that are working in the homeless, you know, whatever the organization, they're making $4 million a year. Half a million. Some cases. I don't know if you've seen Anna Kasperin talk about this, but she can elaborate on this subject matter to the point that you literally want to forcibly remove Gavin Newsom from office. It is staggering. And some of them half a million bucks and nothing. They're doing a great job. Just imagine they weren't there.

1:53:43How much homeless would have? I know. This is you've seen him talk about everyone who'd be homeless. So just relax. Well, you know, it's I just had this conversation actually. I was talking to Corolla and he was telling me that Gavin Newsom had told him back in the day that the face of homelessness was not addiction and mental illness. It was women and children. And there's a loophole, a friend of mine who's a reporter with the New York Times, looked into it because she's like, why didn't you push back on that? Because he's right. She goes, no, no, no, no, I looked into it and it's women and children.

1:54:17And then she ended up getting the bottom of the loophole and the way that he was able to put forward that narrative is that homeless is a person with that as stable address. And that's predominantly women and children. But unsheltered is what we consider homeless, the people in the streets and the tent camps. And arguably that is largely. So what is, I don't understand. What's the definition? Okay. So so Newsom was saying to Corolla, like you're so insensitive and that the face of the children don't own homes. He was saying that women, like the mom that owns two jobs, that's who I'm trying to save.

1:54:53We don't need to tackle addiction and we don't need to tackle mental illness because this is a, this is about the underprivileged individual, the female, single mom with two kids who, you know, this is the face of homelessness. And Corolla was like your sociopath. It's addicts and people with mental illness. And I ended up then in a debate with with this journalist who's who's lovely named Molly and she's like, well, the statistics say that homelessness is in fact women and children. But when I challenged her in Center San Francisco, whatever we go back and forth and she ended up coming back to me after doing the homework.

1:55:31And there is a distinction between homeless and unsheltered. So homeless are people with unstable addresses. And that is women and children. So I'm like how the why in a temper, I couldn't quite extrapolate what was like divorce. I guess it's like in temporary housing or you know, in an apartment somewhere but unsheltered the people on the street that you and I would go homeless. Okay. In the tent camp outside on the sidewalk. So they put unshel, that's what he's doing. Oh god. That's what I'm trying to get at. Oh, Rose. Yes. Sorry. I cannot stand the guy. Well, if you see these 10 standings communities, you see clearly that you're dealing with drug addiction and mental illness.

1:56:22But don't believe what you see with your own eyes. Right. That's the game across the board. Right. Don't believe your common sense. Don't you know, common sense we dictate all the things we talked about autism is increasing. We shouldn't give sex change. We shouldn't sterilize 12 year olds. They all but don't believe any of that. Don't believe that, you know, people who are homeless need help psychologically. He need some way to treat the addiction. Obviously, there are more intelligent people like Shellenberger that have a plan for this despite the fact that he didn't get into the governor's office, which is a shame because he would have done far better than what California's dealing with now.

1:57:02But it's this it's this constant game and manipulation of the facts all the time. And this is where if I could do one thing in my job, like it's it's teaching people how to defer back to their common sense. It's the crazy. Yeah, so common sense is not that common, right? No. Because also people are tired because they have a poor diet and they're not you know. And so they don't have the time to be thinking about this stuff. They don't have the mental energy to like research these things and they're overwhelmed with bills and debt and you know, and and maybe like relationship problems and you know, there's so many problems that people have already to get them to look at external issues that maybe don't affect them personally on a day -to -day basis.

1:57:50It's very difficult to get people to focus on that. So then they vote with what they think is like their virtue. Yeah. You know, blue no matter who, vote Democrat no matter what. Like okay, that's not helping you. And then when you abandon it and leave, you're called a traitor. You know, you're a traitor to the party. Yeah, you you must get that a lot. Oh my god. Well, I went through all of it. But then when you finally decided it doesn't matter anymore, you become immune. So I was I was it's interesting. Back in the day when I you know, my friend just referred to me in this capacity. She'd say, you know, you're like the fat person's Jesus.

1:58:29This oh, Julian Michaels is you know, it doesn't judge them and then she's open arms and she's trying to help people. And then the very same person with the very same belief system and the very same strategies and dealing with the problem became the ultimate enemy. The ultimate fat chamber, the ultimate science denier. Yeah. And it just goes to show you how the narrative shift. It's tough to call me a trans vote because I fall under that acronym umbrella. Right. Just by the fact that gay is different, very different than trans. I've never really understood the acronym either trap. It completely.

1:59:03Yeah. But you can't say, like go ahead. I'm a homophobic. Come on, come at me, bro. You're the top one. You know, I'm married to a woman. Yeah. It's tough to like you can try. I haven't been hit with the racist card. Although I'm waiting for it. Um, I don't know, maybe because my kid is Haitian. I and she gives me a pass. I have no idea. But you know, you you get certain protections simply because you're a card carrying member of the club. But I got hit with everything outside of that, you know, a trans vote night. Ish, ish, fat chamber and anti science and ableist and privileged and all that stuff.

1:59:43Yeah, but all that stuff is losing its meaning. You know, the problem is you keep calling people, you call everyone a racist. Like it doesn't mean anymore. You're crying wolf so many times that people don't listen anymore. Like a real racist is horrific. You see, you run into a real racist. Like, oh my god, that's horrific. But it, you know, if you just call everyone a racist, if you go math is racist, like, okay, math racist, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are racist. I've seen that. Okay. Oh, I haven't seen that one. It exercises racist. I just see that. All right. Yes. Wonderful. All right.

2:00:16MSNBC. Wonderful. All right. I liked that. I like that one a lot. Yeah. I will tell you though, I don't think that it is losing as much power as I had hoped. And I reference Elon Musk and here's why it's seemingly working. I know a lot of people that think he's an anti -Semite. I'm like, you sure about that. Well, the thing is a Nazi. More than just an anti -Semite. Okay. And actually, these are reasonable people. Yeah. And here's the irony. He's on the spectrum. So this thing, he didn't even realize what he's doing. My heart goes out to you. But Joe, what about the video, the montage of all the liberals, including AOC, engaging in the same sighal.

2:01:05Tim wall. Yes. This is like a thing that people have to stop doing. But that's, that's you got to do it like this. You got to have two hands. Touch your heart. And then, I'm gonna do it. You know, when I was getting in trouble with CNN during the vaccine days, the COVID days, they would use a photograph of me from the UFC Wayans. Because when I go to the UFC Wayans, I say, welcome to the Wayans, everybody. So they had this photo of me from the side. But that's the one they used all the time. No. People buy that shit and they are still buying it. And that scares me. And in a argument on Pierce Morgan, this is it raised my voice a little bit.

2:01:51I was like, well, I don't know. I don't think he's an anti -SMA. Number one, these friends with Jews. Number two, he hires Jews. And number three hasn't killed any Jews. And they were like, necklace around his neck that he's given to one of the mothers of the hostages. This has bring them home. I remember him going after October 7th and talking about the videos that he'd seen, but the guy was like, oh, that's your benchmark. He doesn't kill Jews. And I was like, no, that's yours. You're the one comparing him to Hitler who killed six million Jews. So if you're going to draw that comparison, zero six millions who shut the fuck up.

2:02:22It's all dumb. But it's all it's all a trick. Because what they're really doing is going after him because he's trying to go after USA. I see that. But can I tell you how many reasonable people and I cannot have friends that have to argue about it with? Exactly. Yeah. That's when I tell you that I don't know that it's actually losing its power. It is. You think it's not losing its power with really fucking dumb people. And you're going to have a certain percentage of really fucking dumb people. And they either are going to have to catch up or we're going to have to overwhelm them with a lot of logic.

2:02:57That. And that takes time. And it takes a lot of these kind of conversations and they get out there and they get clipped. And maybe you and I said something here that will be taken out of context and used against you, which is always really fun. That's my favorite. And you just take like a snippet of it. See, Told you, she's on this. She's on that. And then she thinks this is reductionist thing where they try to define you by a string of words. Forget about your whole life. They did that to Candace Owens. Yes. Oh, she's disgusting anti -Semite. So I listened to her. I listened to her answer all that stuff on her show.

2:03:32And then I listened to her debate it with Rabbi Schmohli. And I thought, okay, let's see what a bitch she is. And I listened to everything she said. And I checked it all and watched it in context. And then I actually sat with her. And I was like, all right, I get over the door. I like Candace a lot, but Candace says a lot of wild shit. She does not not accurate. Like she thinks that is her fake. I hear you. I get it. But I get it. That is like self -inflicted. That's a self -inflicted wound. But do you think the other... I'm like, are you a Holocaustner? No, I'm not a Holocaust anir. And then still to the stage, she's a Holocaust anir.

2:04:07Well, that's my friend Darryl Cooper, who's on my podcast, you know, because he said hyperbolicly that Winston Churchill was one of the main villains of World War II because he started blockades and forced Hitler into action and the starved the German people. Like what he said was really unfortunate the way he said it, the way he said it. But he was trying to say that Winston Churchill did some things that if he hadn't done them, maybe World War II wouldn't have gone the way it went. But the problem is when you say that and it gets taken out of context, people say, oh, he's a Holocaust anir and a Nazi sympathizer.

2:04:47But then you listen to his podcast. He's got this like, I think it's like 30 hours called fear and loathing in New Jerusalem. And it's the most gut -wrenching tale of the persecution of Jews in Eastern Europe. Just the beginning of it, I tell everybody, just listen to the first like 40 minutes of it. It's so heartbreaking. Like this is not the words of a homophob or excuse me of an anti -Semite that would say those things. I have... But reductionist things that people love to do. But even still, he would be my argument to that. Let's say he was. If you're inclined to believe that, let's say that was his argument and that Hitler wasn't bad and it was Churchill, then you're an asshole an idiot.

2:05:32Yeah. Then there's no hope for you. This gatekeeping of it from nature. But it is not you're an asshole or an idiot and he's being called an asshole an idiot by people who don't consume his work. Of course. I'm saying, you're a case scenario. Because I see this a lot with the gatekeeping of information and God forbid you don't fact -check everybody on everything. Which has been something that I've gotten a bit of. You nodded your head and you said I see your point. I'm like, well, sometimes I see their point and sometimes I don't know. And I can fact -check everything. And I'll talk to somebody else who has a differing opinion.

2:06:02But people can think for themselves as well. Yeah. There's just a lot of bad faith actors out there and there's a lot of people that do that. This taking people out of context and trying to use this reductionist perspective and label people with these pejoratives that are inescapable. Like it's in the racist homophobes, anti -Semi, all those are inescapable. And once you get hit with those, that's your that's your your fucking sticker on your forehead. You scarlet it. The rest of your life. And that's what they're trying to do to you because they're trying to silence you and because they want to win.

2:06:37And this is a real problem with human beings when it comes to ideas. Is that like if I believe something and you believe something differently, I don't want to listen to you. I want to beat you. I want to overwhelm you with talk. I want to pierce more in you into submission. I want to yell at you. Not pierce the human but the show. I know which is not going to go. You want to yell at them and you want to win. You want to dunk on them. And this is why I don't engage with people on social media. I just think it's the worst way to communicate. And when I see people doing it, I genuinely feel bad for them because I think they're mentally ill.

2:07:09People are dunking on people constantly on social media. I'm like, well, that's a sign of mental illness. Like you're there's something wrong with you have it. You don't realize that yet. Like this shit's been around for 20 years now. And you're still engaging in that kind of behavior on social media. It's stupid. It gets clicks. That's what I think it is. I get enough attention. I get enough attention so I don't need to like reach out and try to get more, which is like by the way, that's what you're supposed to do when you get a lot of attention. You're supposed to rise above, you know, with great power, great responsibility.

2:07:44It's supposed to try to be nicer, which is I try. That's like what are my core tenants in life? Be as nice as possible. And here's a shocker. I find people are nice to me almost entirely. Like very rarely are people not nice to me because I'm nice to everybody. So if you're nice to everybody, guess what? People are nice to you. And even people I disagree with disagree with fundamentally. But you're listening to them though. That's exactly what you're trying to say. One of the conversations I've referred to a couple times is the one I had with Matt Walsh. I don't know. I don't there's no universe.

2:08:19So I'm going to change Matt Walsh's mind about gay marriage. But at least I want to understand him. And I also am hoping that some people who are in the middle of this argument and could be influenced might go my way. And there was a, I cannot remember if this was a TED talk or where this information or the story was put out in the world. But it was the story of a black man who ended up befriending a grand wizard of the clan and end. Is that he's the friend of us? He's been on the podcast a couple times. Yeah. The story like I would it. Girls a musician. Oh my god. And became the guy's like god, godfather the guys kids.

2:08:58Not just one. No. He's got more than a hundred of these KKK guys to give him their robes. Yeah. And convert and change them over just by the just by love. Just with love. That's what I'm hoping in those conversations. That's power. Yeah. Well, that's derls a really amazing person. A shining example of what's possible when you just show people like he's like, man, you're different than all the others. It's like, actually, I'm just a human. I just have more melanin in my skin. You know, and you are unfortunately, you have been trapped by an ideology. You have other people simply by their looks. You know, and you haven't learned this, this lesson that we were supposed to be taught by Dr.

2:09:41King in the 1960s. You know, judge a man by the content of the character. It must have been your show actually where I heard it. But it changed the way that I approach 99 % of my conversations because I thought, okay, if I listen with an intent to hear and an intent to understand, and I can expose people to the things they're uncomfortable with in a way where we find common ground, I may not change their mind, but at least you're in some cases you hopefully can. Yeah. And at least you're modeling. But it takes so much time. You know, it's like Indiana Jones when the guy starts throwing the whip and he just pulls the gun out and just shoots him.

2:10:24Like, that's like, I just want to shut the fuck up. You know, and that's what a lot of people like, especially today in this like, everybody wants to take ozempic. You want a quick fix? You don't want to work out for fucking six years to lose 50 pounds? No, I want to just lose 50 pounds in a month. You know, and this is the quick fix thing of today's society. And when you're offered this pill that makes you smarter instead of reading books like, yeah, I'll take that pill. You know, like, this is the argument that I have said to people when they always talk about, you know, I don't have time for exercise.

2:10:56Like, I'm not interested in my body. Like, this is stupid. It's vain. It's just not. I'm like, listen, if I gave you a pill, just give you a pill. And that pill made you fit and healthy and muscular. You wouldn't take that pill? Why would you not want a body that works way better? Improved your mood. Yeah. Of course you would. Your sex life would get better. All of those things. Of course you take it. You just defend. Mechanism, though. You know that. Right. It's a fear that they would be incapable of following through on what's required. So they defend against it. It's the same shit you see with the people that are overweight.

2:11:28And they're like, I don't care. Or they make fun of their weight. And like, they become the funny fat guy. It's a defense mechanism. Oh, I have a lot of friends like that. A lot of comedians. It's like their entire act like being fat. I know. It's a big part of it. Yeah. There was a guy. I went to kill Tony last night. And there was a comedian that was up first. And he was 412 pounds. And the guys were doing what they obviously do. But there was a part of my heart that was splitting. Of course. As I was like deep down, this is he's hurting deep down. This fucking guy's hurting deep. That's all funny.

2:11:59I know. Right. That's the problem. Oh, dying. I was dying inside. For you know, if you're 420 pounds or whatever he is, like boy, the road to becoming healthy is hundreds of pounds away. And that is so daunting. Especially when you have the pull of addiction. Yes. And that's the big problem. Yeah. And then you get eaten intuitively. Intuitively. Oh my god. Which is impossible, by the way, because the food is designed to override. If I am too. I only pizza. I would have much better. I think that's 100%. Yeah. Pizza, fries and ice cream and Coca -Cola would be my whole diet. But the whole the entire food system.

2:12:45All of the ultra processed foods is designed to override your body's signaling of satiety. It's a fucking impossible. And then you couple that with the psychological vulnerabilities and it's a powder keg. You sound like an ad for O's epic. Exactly what I am. Oh my god. I'm going to get that tattoo man. Afro o's epic dragon believer. Oh my god. The sticker by the way. To my suitcase. Fuck yeah. I like that. Afro's epic. It's really cookie. It's weird. But the only way out is through conversations. The only way out is to educate people or enlighten people or expose people to other ideas. Like you're not really going to educate them, but you will expose them to other ideas.

2:13:31And I think over time, the good ideas will win. It's just it's been so many years of bad ideas. And it's so indoctrinating. And it's so difficult. And then also it's your identity. Your identity is this you know, whatever it is, whether you're Matt Walsh or whether you're a four hundred and twenty pound trans person, like your identity is like embedded in whatever you think of yourself as being. And it's very difficult to take wisdom from someone that you think of as the enemy. That's so true. And breaking that identity in particular when it works against someone. So one of the things that people can't believe in a reality they have an experience.

2:14:10That's true. And so one of the ways that I used to utilize fitness was to give them an experience that they didn't think they were capable of. So all of a sudden you've got the funny fat guy who just ran that mile without stopping. They're who just did the push up on the hands of the feeder who just did 10 pull -ups in a row or even two. But once they look at their achievement, it's like holy shit. I didn't know I was capable of this. And then you shatter that prison of limiting beliefs and you open up an infinity of possibility. You also have to find a tribe. You have to surround yourself with other people that are trying to prove themselves.

2:14:48So if other people around you're trying to improve themselves, then it will encourage you to be a part of that group and you all do it together. Completely. And then help each other if you fall off the wagon and pick each other up and like reinforce positive behavior. You see all of that. You know, back in the day I used to get so caught up in the fights about diets and fight diets and fight workouts. And as I have matured or like to think that I have matured, I don't even engage in that shit anymore. It really doesn't matter what work out you're doing. If you're doing it with a qualified professional or if people are showing up for CrossFit because they love CrossFit and they love the community great.

2:15:27If they're showing up for Pilates because they love the community and they're showing up for it great, as long as they're showing up for something. And the person teaching them a great CrossFit coach matters. But that's a big difference between you herniating three discs and getting into the best shape of your life. So I would simply say look for qualified experts. But you know, I'm beyond the what's the best diet and what's the best who gives a fuck as long as you're if you're in a positive environment that's getting you to show up for it day after day after day. Something's better than nothing.

2:16:02And you're focusing on improving. Yes. And that that comes with community. Sure, you're absolutely that's what people love about CrossFit is the whole community. Absolutely. You're all working out together. I still love that about yoga class. Yes. Go to a bunch of people. I knew them all like hey, what's up? You know, but you don't talk until after it's over. It's one of those things. They've really discouraged talking before. But like, you're all sweating together. You're like you're going through it together. There's no other way, you know, and then you get out the other end. You're like, wow, I wouldn't have done that by myself.

2:16:34I would have quit at like 40 minutes, but I did the whole 90 minutes and now I feel better and then the rest of the day is easy. That's why I think community is such an integral part of treating addiction. Because you have that supportive group to keep you accountable to show up to feel like you're a part of something and we've seen it work for you and work against you. Yeah. It's like it's also an integral part for an evil army. Unfortunate. I know. I have to believe that you have to kill these heretics. How do we how do we tip things over to make your side be more attractive? You have to make your side kinder and more empathetic and also more admirable.

2:17:19Yes. You're right. There were wards have to be there and admirable as one. Yeah. Yeah. You have to like wish you had those characteristics and go, why don't I? Oh, maybe I can. You know, and just also realize you're not who you used to be. Okay. If you were a fat alcoholic gambling addict, you don't have to stay that way forever. You just you don't have to. You're not that you're a human being. You were trapped with behavior and ideas that were not self -serving. They're not good for people around you. You probably stole things to feed your addictions and you feel you have terrible self -worth and terrible self -image, but that's not you.

2:17:59That's who you have been. You are who you are right now. So if you choose right now to be positive from here on out and you're going to have some mistakes and fuck up along the way, but find a group. This is why alcoholics anonymous is so important. You get around these people and you all agree. They're all like and you have sponsors and you help each other. Like this is the whole idea of community. We are not solitary individuals. We're collective organism. It's experiencing itself in individual ways. I agree with you. I do. I just I want I sometimes see evil winning out more often than not. Well because that's what's in the news and that's also what's in your algorithm.

2:18:43You know, and that's why you have to stay off social media. You're I. Yeah. I feel so much better. I've been off social media like almost entirely for like a few. Wow. Like really weaned off about two weeks ago. I really followed my wife's footsteps because like she just got off and she's like, I feel so much better. I'm like, damn. That's crazy. And so I'm like, let me try it. And so I try it for a day. I was like, wow, I feel so much better after this day. And then I try it a couple days and I'm like, oh, it's real. Like there's, you know, sugar shone on Mally UFC champion. He said he goes, I get a low level anxiety when I'm scrolling through social media.

2:19:24I'm like, right, what is that? Like what is that? But that shit's real. It's also you realize like you're just distracting yourself with this stupidity. But when you don't, but when you don't do that, your mind feels better. It really does feel better. So I will occasionally like I'm on the toilet. I'll like scroll through Twitter, find out what is everybody mad at. And then I'll put it away. You know, and then sometimes I go days without looking at it at all. And then sometimes like, hey, like I got a text the other day, like, hey, man, are you okay? I go, what? And they're like, oh, people are mad at you on Twitter.

2:19:57I'm like, okay. That's not the real world, bro. I don't even know what they're mad at. Like, no, don't reach like a friend of my sent me something that people, I go, don't send me that shit. I'm not looking at it. I don't care. Aren't you immune to that by now, though? You have been forged in fire. Fuck sake. What are they going to say to you at this point that you're even going to care about? Well, the thing is it's not me. It's them. They think that I'm upset at this thing because they would be upset at this thing because they don't get attacked. Right. So like my sister used to send me things like that.

2:20:27I'm like, don't send me that shit. Yeah, I don't care. Like, you know, my wife used to do that for a little while because she would worry and want me to kind of like temper my behavior. My business partner would do the same thing. Like, oh, I really know. Did you stay in the pocket here on the fitness stuff. But I found that the more I would lean into that, it didn't matter how many attacks would come my way because you would resonate with the people that got it. And that ended up working better for me personally and professionally. But you're right. It is, it is their concern of how they would feel if people called them those things or came for them with the pitch forks and toys.

2:21:07And the way the worst thing you could do is fight back, which is really crazy. The worst thing you do is interact with people. Of course, which is really kind of, but that's everyone's instinct. Everyone's instinct is to go, well, tell you what I think now. You're caught up in it. Yeah, you get caught up in that. It's ridiculous. The only time I find myself doing that these days and I'm going to stop it is when my son will challenge me on something and that my mother was like, we're debating something. She's like, honey, you're you're you're you're you're you're literally you're literally getting this with a 13 year old.

2:21:37Yeah. Okay. And I and you know why? Because I still care what my kids think about me. And instead of you're but the rest of the world. I don't get a fuck. Yeah. Now give a fuck. Well, you do, but also you can't control what people think. Right. Exactly. The only thing you can do is be undeniable. That's so well said. Yeah. That is so well said. That's all you have. And so what happens with haters is they challenge you to become more undeniable. And so that's good. That's what their job is. They make you steal manual users of the world. They challenge you to become a bigger winner. They really do.

2:22:13Yeah. I've learned how it's especially in the health space when I would be active in a conversation about fitness or nutrition. What have you? You learn how to bully proof yourself and that conversation. Right. Because people even fight so hard to keep their bad habits. God, it is insane. Yeah. And there's also so much infighting in every industry which which bombs me out. And that's when I just was like, what am I doing? Well, that's an attention thing. Right. I do. They're upset that you're getting the attention that they think they deserve. Like she doesn't even know the fuck she's talking about.

2:22:47But you know what? You see a lot of that in the health space. You do when I hate it. And it's super disappointing because we can share ideas and we can, as you said, admit when we're wrong and learn and grow and what have you. But the real enemy is not another friggin doctor or another PhD with a different opinion. Right. You know, we've seen who the real enemy is. And it's it's big pharma when it's got bad intentions or big food with bad intentions or big ag. It's not going to be like the guy who has a different opinion on cholesterol. Fuck sake. It's not even the it's just that guy with a different opinion on cholesterol is getting a lot of attention.

2:23:27And then these people are comparing them, they're comparing themselves to that person. Why don't I get the certain attention and the way to get the attention is to dunk on that person to say awful things. Yeah. But then people dunk on you and then now your now your life is conflict. Okay. Good job. When they when they do, I like to sit down and see if there's truth there. Like you said, you know, I've I've not been immune to some of Lane Norton's assaults. And you know what? We sat down and I was like, listen, Lane, the things you're going after me on are not from me. It's from this PhD, that PhD, this PhD in the American Medical Association.

2:24:04And had them all my podcasts and by the time we were done, he won me over. I was like, I believe you. I think you're right. I'm changing my position on this. You know, but sometimes you're right. It's it's because someone is getting attention or there's envy there. And I would simply say you can into it when a criticism might be legitimate. And when you're seeing it over and over and over again, and it's a similar thing, there's something to look at there. But outside of that, when you know it's bullshit, there's also the problem with bots. Oh yeah. Oh my god. Vast majority of Twitter might be bots.

2:24:42Yeah. You know, an FBI analyst that used to used to analyze big data sets. He said he looked at Twitter and he said it might be about 80 % bots. Cara Swisher said that to me. Yeah. I was blown away. No, she was she was she was I mean, and she would know and she was showing me stuff in the bot farms and shit all along the wall.

2:25:06It's uh -huh. And they they shape narratives and it's crazy. Rogue states and different people use it. And I'm sure like there's publicity firms that use it. I'm sure. I mean, I don't know. I don't either. But without you could use it with AI. You know, you could you could easily have one computer that would run many, many accounts. And you could program it to have variations on a theme. But you see it sometimes when like there's a lot of uh social media influencers that get coopted and one of the things that you see is a very similar message, you know, and they use very similar phrasing. You know, Sharpe's attack was one of them.

2:25:47And you saw that over and over again with Biden like Sharpe's attack. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. So they were getting influenced and they were getting paid. Yes. You know, who did you ever see that? I'm sure yeah, yeah. Of course you would have. But um, I remember when I was talking to Senator Johnson and he was exposing me to the trusted news initiative. And this is the whole newscasters that have the exact same script and say the exact same thing. So well. And it it but in freaking in broad daylight. Yep. There's guys like we have clips of all of you saying the exact same thing. It's so clear. It's a narrative.

2:26:26And when he told me he was god. This was this blew my mind. He went pre -COVID to he was talking about this event at the milking institute where a Fauci and I kind of screw this up. I think it's this guy Rick Bright. Forgive me because this may be wrong. But the group of people definitely Fauci were talking about what it would take to get a global vaccine program. Fauci says probably going to take a pandemic. And this is like five months before. Yeah. COVID. Not that you know just put my tin hat on and roll myself and tin foil and jump all the way down the rabbit hole. But then Aval Haynes said, well, what are we going to do about misinformation at this event that she'd put on shortly after that?

2:27:11And he said that's where they came up with the trusted news initiative right in time. Well, not only that they came up with a new term and that term is malinformation. Ah. Do you know what malinformation is? Malinformation is true information. Oh, that might do harm. Did not know this. So there's this information. Disinformation and malinformation. I've not heard that. Malinformation was something they were trying to promote during the Biden administration is being dangerous. And it's essentially the truth. I knew the we've got to reconsider the first amendment. Yeah. I've seen all those clips.

2:27:48That is some scary shit. It's like Senator Kerry, Bill Gates, Hillary Clinton, and do we criminalize people who are promoting this misinformation? But I did not hear Malin. Did you ever see the CEO of NPR doing a TED talk saying that sometimes the truth gets in the way of getting things done? Oh, God, no, but I heard I've heard them all say that. I see it. Oh, my God. It's an infantilization, infantilization of the public because they're too stupid to handle the truth. They're dumber than you. You you're the purveyor of information and you need to give them the information that gets things done.

2:28:28And sometimes you have to lie to them. Like vaccines are safe and effective. You oh my God. What did you post? I think it was the cover of the New York girl that said something about doing away with the first amendment. Yeah. And I wonderful idea. I think away what the fuck are you talking about? Well, the real is I thought like a number 14, by the way, or learn number five is a number one. Yeah. The first amendment it's at that. It's in the way. It's in the way. That to me when you're having this debate about Kamala versus Trump. I'm like, how do you guys have this selective outrage about what's flipping your shit?

2:29:16I want to process for Kilmar, I bring Ogrcia, who you know probably beats his wife and his suspect. I get it. I wanted to. Seems like he's got MS 13 tattooed on his knuckles. Yeah. I mean, come on. And there was a deportation order. Yeah. Just say it like so you see the photographs that his wife puts out where she covers his knuckles in every picture. Yes. Yes. Yes. hilarious. I mean. So I was saying, oh my God, they deported a Maryland man and a father because that's what I was reading the news. Same. And then you get into it. You know, oh, wait a minute. Oh, hold on. And then you they released the dash cam footage, the police footage of when they arrested him.

2:29:53Not dash cam. You know, whatever the cops are I know what you're talking about. Yeah. I thought the exact same case. It's crazy. But it's just like, you can't you can't just go on narratives because these narratives are just designed to make the Trump administration look like monsters. I was giving an interview to this woman from the New York Times. And she's like, but don't you see this? And I was like, I do see it and I don't understand it. And I wish it would be different. But you know, but then you get into the lesser evils. I wrote her back. And I was like, I don't agree with my previous position based on the current information available to me now.

2:30:27Yeah, it seems like he was a gang member. But then there was that gay hairdresser that like seems like he just got wrote up. I know. And what I have learned so far because I've really been trying to get to the bottom of that one because I don't understand where the left isn't leaning on that one. The other guy like, beats his wife suspected trafficker early. You want to be outraged like this guy is a gay hairdresser. I guess he committed. I was listening to Tim Poole talk about this. Um, uh, immigration fraud. So listen, okay, but that doesn't. This is a belong in El Salvador prison. I agree with you completely.

2:30:59Also, he's got a from El Salvador. Which is really crazy. Now, okay, hold on. Here would be the argument there. I think if I'm understanding it correctly, is that if somebody, um, can be deported, but they are withheld because of asylum, correct me if I'm wrong here because they worry going back to their home country is dangerous or deadly like right? Kill Mara, Brego Garcia. Right. Because he's not a gang member, but he's afraid of being killed by other gangs that aren't MS 13. You caught that one, right? I can't go home because the other gangs will kill me, but I'm not a gang member. Nevertheless, you, there's a deportation order on him.

2:31:39So I believe that they can just send him to a third country. And that's not illegal. That's something I heard. Okay. So just go to your immigration fraud when you're a gay hairdresser. You don't throw him in a fucking concentration. You could not be more right about that. But tell me then why is the left not hanging there? Why is he not the poster child that guy? Yeah. Yeah, that's his knuckles. Yeah. I look at people don't agree that that's what that means. Oh, dude, I've talked to a guy who's a gang expert. Two separate courts agreed. I talked to a guy's a gang expert to explain it to me. It's like, yeah, this is how it works.

2:32:15There's also an informant who confirms the news. Well, there's different versions of MS 13, but that's what it means. Like Marijuana, Smiley Place, Jesus, and, and then the skull. That mean I don't, I just, I've just think when I'm looked online. Okay, you can look online. But I mean, I talked to a gang expert that told me that it was explaining to me. And there's a bunch of different versions of gang tattoos. There's two courts that determined he was an MS 13 gang member. The cops had an informant that was an extremely reliable source that said he is MS 13. The guy, the wife was like, he beats me and then with Drew, I guess, but had filed a report.

2:32:5610 protection order. Yes, the cops pulled the guy over with eight guys in the car going like from Texas to Maryland, I think, or from Texas, Maryland to Texas. No luggage, no tools, and suspected him of trafficking. I mean, and again, I will simply say, if you didn't apply for a sign. Why are they hanging their hat on this one and not the gay hairdresser? I'm asking you that. Would that be your sacrificial land? Because I heard Glenn Greenwald talk about the gay hairdresser and that one seems the most compelling. I agree completely. But there's no logic in this world anymore. That's all kooky.

2:33:30Like whatever to get traction. You know, maybe it's because he's got kids. Oh, it's a father, a Maryland father. You know, like that's what it is. Like I can't say wrongly deported, Maryland father. Like what, what, what wrongly why tell me why what's wrong about it? He had a deportation order 100 % and then said, I am worried that the other gangs will kill me. And so that's when they withheld the deportation order. But he can be deported to another country. Legal that's the part that if he's not a gang member, why is he worried about being killed by other gangs? I would just like, this is a common sense piece that we, I don't think I'd hang my hat on the gay hairdresser guy.

2:34:14It's kooky. I agree with you. I also like, imagine, you know, inheriting this problem. Like you've had open borders for four years and they've let thousands and thousands of potential criminals in here. If not millions, they've let millions of people who knows how many of these people are suspected terrorists. It's not just one. It's not zero. Okay. So what's the number? I don't know. How many of them are gang members? Is it zero? No, it's not zero. So there's, they let in gang members. Okay. How many of them in the cartel? It's not zero. Okay. Well, what the fuck do you do? What do you do if you want to clean up this mess that has been in mass for four years?

2:34:55Just flooded open borders, not just open borders, but like busing them in, flying them in, giving them debit cards, giving them phones. Oh my god, interest free loans in California. Yeah. Loop holes. They got a new semester. They give them health care billions of dollars in health care. My frigging 35 year old brother can't get a home loan and can't get health care, but his tax doll, like this is the changes name in Mexico and walk cross border. I told him a couple of times. Well, it was a Greg, you know, burned the passport, bed. This will work. You know, he's half lad and he's my half brother.

2:35:30He could get away with it. The idea they're not doing it to get votes is crazy because that's what they're doing. There's a reason why the vast majority of them get moved to swing states. Like they're doing it on purpose. I'm okay. And Elon has been talking about this and it's one of the other reasons why they call monocity. I've had this conversation with intelligent people and they're like, well, there's no evidence that they're voting. Okay. But here, if we were to game this all the way out in, in, in, if I was to hit Elon's points that I believe I understand first of all, I think they can vote in some states and local elections.

2:36:10And Karen Bass, Karen Bass becomes Gavin Newsom becomes God forbid the president of the United States. So there's a reason we've got this whole grass roots thing going on. I would imagine. And then I'm told that when they sign up for benefits, they potentially can sign them up to reach out to them to vote. That could be conspiracy theory, though. Very much so. I'm talking out of my ass. I don't know. But it's not a conspiracy that they're giving them social security numbers. Exactly. Oh, did not know that. Yeah, because if you, there's a woman who was explaining when she was working for the social security office, what they would have her do.

2:36:46So with, they would have them get permanent disability. And the way they get permanent disability is just to have to say you have a back problem. So if you have a back problem, then you have permanent disability. And if you get permanent disability, then they start labeling them as a client. If you label them as a client, then they get money forever. And so if then you have people like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and all these people saying we need to give these people a road to citizenship. Okay. Well, then you potentially have millions and millions of people. Now, if the Democrats are in charge, they can change the rules and make it so that these people have a road to citizenship.

2:37:22Then they can vote on elections. So now you've imported millions of people that are going to vote for sure for the people who gave them the money, not for the people who hired Tom Holman to kick everybody out. Here's another question. Why are you not requiring identification to vote? Because it's racist. Oh, well, not only you're not requiring it in California, you're not allowed to show it. It is illegal to show your identification when you vote. That's just there's only one reason why you would do that is because you want fraud. Exactly. When I ask people who are on the other side, I'm like, it gave the salivary me.

2:37:58Steel man this argument. What is so long? You see Kathy Holtchol's logic about that. No, a lot of these black kids. They don't even know what a computer is. Oh, I have seen the Oh my God. And I saw the black guy making fun of her. Yes. They just like running around the computer. Oh my God. Which is the most racist thing that you can possibly say. By the way, every fucking kid has a computer. They all have phones. Did you see that video? I think it came out of Prager. You where they were saying like, well, you know, black people don't they I think it was the same like they don't have access to ID and they can't figure out the same thing.

2:38:31Yeah, it's the most disgusting. You can tell me that you can say what about poor white people that live in West Virginia? So gross. Staggeringly gross. It's crazy. I or okay, how about this one? I've also been told that the more people you have in a census, it doesn't matter if they're legal citizens to get more representation. Yeah, you get more seats. Well, then effectively you can make a present in a lame duck. Exactly. That's why California's losing seats because people are escaping. That is what it is. It's escaping. I go on record is saying I am pro legal immigration. Well, I'm the grandchild of immigrants.

2:39:10My whole family came from Italy and Ireland. Unless you're Native American. And when you appreciate the ways in which legal immigration enriches the community, stimulates the economy and you can control the flow and as God sad likes to explain, they support their host community. Yeah. When they're brought in legally. Yeah. When it's illegal it overwhelms the infrastructure, you bring in criminals, you don't know who's here. Suicidal empathy. Brilliant. Yeah. He's an app thanks to you. I know of him for many years now. And he's an absolute genius. He articulates it like no one else. And he's seeing the rise of anti -Semitism in Montreal right now and at a stack right now.

2:39:57I have to admit that I escaped Lebanon for the same reasons. I do tend to lean. Dave Smith, after the show you did the other day, I reached out to him and I was like, all right, I gotta tell you, I've always leaned more pro -Rizorial and I was, you opened my mind to a few things and I don't become a monster. I won't do that to you. That's what it is. I'll be. But that's the thing. It's like the horrors that you're seeing in Gaza. It's like, okay, you're fighting Hamas. Hamas are monsters. That's right. Yeah. But like you didn't let aid into the country. Yeah, I didn't even know that. I didn't even know that.

2:40:37It gets scary. That's when I like that. It gets really scary when you believe that someone's helping the enemy, so they become the enemy. And it's not that you don't like Jews. I'll profess by saying my grandmother ran from the friggin Nazis. According to my 23 and me, 30 something percent Jewish. However, I don't necessarily like Netanyahu and I don't agree with a lot of the ways he's handled it. But it doesn't mean I don't understand what happened and not a pall I'm not disgusted. I personally think that kid Mahmoud Kaliil should get the fuck out of here. Personally, I'm sorry. The kid, I could get into that one too.

2:41:19I see all of that and I lean more towards the Israel. Well, I completely understand how they could look at things the way they are. They're surrounded. They're surrounded by Arab states. Yeah. And you know, I mean, if you have been attacked relentlessly since the beginning of whatever in 1948. If it's in the charter, kill all Jews. I mean, that's not good. I don't know. Then you see trans people have a Palestine like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, do you fucking know what they would do to you? Oh, my God. I'm in there by the it's complicated. Right. The world is a very complicated thing.

2:42:05It's a nuanced conversation as well. I got to tell you I was riveted by that debate. And both of them made excellent points. I learned a ton. And I changed my mind on some things like I I freaking loved it. I thought they both I'm sorry at the end of the day. I thought they both made great points. I really did. Yeah, for sure. I just wish that Douglas didn't misrepresent certain people like like Darrell. Yeah. They're Darrell things crazy. I didn't I actually never saw that show with him. So I wasn't able to fully comprehend the accusations. Then simply thought like you can't get keep information and people are if somebody's going to believe that if this was in fact the truth, right?

2:42:45And he was the sky that was saying Hitler was innocent and are not innocent. But the lesser evil with regard to church over his Hitler. He definitely wasn't saying that. But what he was really saying that apparently historians also agree with that Hitler kind of hid his anti -semitism early on. And that early on during his rise, he would keep it confined like the really rampant anti -semitism. He keep it confined to these like smaller meetings. And then yeah, it's like he's like his Jewish. Is he? He's trying to do wasn't he? I think Hitler was a Jew. What? Jamie, will you check that? Hitler was a Jew.

2:43:21Hold on. I think so. I think he had some Jewish blood. Check it real quick. Well, yeah. I remember hearing some crazy. I remember hearing some. What was really believed in the alien air and race will blonde hair blue eye. Hey, bro, that's not you. That's not it. Hold on. I feel like there was some. Hold on. Oh, is it bullshit? No, he was not Jewish. Well, rumors and conspiracy theories have circulated suggesting a Jewish grandfather, a Jewish ancestry. These claims are not supported by any historical evidence and are widely dismissed. No, Jesus. All right. I should put that on that one. I should put that on that one.

2:43:50It's really fascinating because he is the one of the worst figures in history. Like the everybody other than really complete psychopaths agree with that. That's what I'm saying. Figures in human history. You can't disseminate that bit of information because let's say again, hypothetically, this gentleman Darryl was trying to make that point. Then you're an idiot. I can't. Like if you can't determine, there are skinheads and KKK that are going to tell you the same thing. If you can't determine that that person's fucked up, you're an idiot. That's not really the argument though. It's like no one's really saying that.

2:44:31No, I know. I'm trying to. I'm suggesting that if the worst case scenario was that, but I appreciate what you're saying that wasn't his point. I haven't done any. I have not done any homework on it. He tries to look at things from everybody's view. He tries like imagine you're this person. Imagine you're a German citizen and you've just gotten through World War One and the whole world hates you. Imagine this. Then the drug thing is a big part of World War Two. It's a giant part of it. The whole army was on meth. That is so crazy. That is so fucking crazy. Really, you should read Blist. It's really fascinating because they had a periscret like a over -the -counter meth that you could buy.

2:45:18Who is called Pervitin? The candy thing. Who is it called? Pervitin. Yes. I remember saying that on your show. Was everyone nuts. It was like a little candy tin. Yeah. You're all eating meth. Super productive. That's why they have such great engineers. They're like, oh, they're fucking dialed in. This is true. I like this. This is you make it. Yeah. Okay. God damn. That's bright. I take a lot of dark spots here. There's a lot of darkness in human history. A lot of it. A lot of evil. A lot of horrible consequences. And a lot of lessons that we really learned, but then unlearn. And that's what people are terrified of with this like Hitler apologist perspective.

2:46:04Don't unlearn this one huge fucking lesson that a guy like Hitler can exist. They can rise to power and become monsters and destroy countless lives. It's impossible to really quantify the amount of damage that guy did. Don't unlearn that. And I get that. I get that. But don't also label someone as someone who didn't learn that when they they're talking about it openly discussing. I mean, Darrell talks about what a fucking psychotic drug adult monster Hitler was all the time. It's a part of his stuff. But you would have to actually consume his work and Douglas admittedly never listened to him. He was just taking this narrative, this, this like very reductionist narrative that's very incorrect.

2:46:53And just saying it over and over again and saying it on Bill Marr to applause breaks. But it's not what he's saying. It's stupid. I did see that. I'm just kind of disappointed. It's okay. You know, but, but you don't. Oh, no. It's not, you know, it's not correct. I hear you. Do you find that you fall victim to that sometimes? I see myself do it on occasion where you hear a narrative. Oh, yeah. And I don't dig deeper on it. And I've been guilty of it a couple of times. I apologize to Bobby Kennedy when he came here because I said, I believed everything about you before I read your book. I thought you were this cook who doesn't believe in vaccines and he's an anti -science guy and a conspiracy theorist.

2:47:33And then I read the real Anthony Fauci. I was like, oh, bananas. That book's fucking nuts. And by the way, again, set it before, say it again, he would be sued if it wasn't true. And it is true. And what he did during the, just what he did during the AIDS crisis. And I know that they they gave him a blanket pardon from everything from 2014. Weird. Where did they choose that date? Where did they choose that date when Obama had decided to get rid of gain of function research. And this motherfucker was like outsourcing it. Yep. He was. Yeah. You know what's crazy. We're still not having that conversation.

2:48:08No, not in any meaningful way. But at least it's in the White House now. That, and that page is very comprehensive. But it's all right. Go to that page again. Because it's a Trumps in the middle of it like walking like he's getting shit done. They see that. It's like, that might be how they tricked him into putting this page out there. The moratorium on it. That's the irony, I think. Didn't he? Obama put a moratorium on it. And I think Trump lifted the friggin moratorium. I think it happened. Oh my god. Stop. This is awesome. I'm here to take care of business. I got a serious look at my face. And why do they, like, the true origins of COVID -19, like COVID signed it?

2:48:44Oh my god. Why is it a six? You know what? Kali posted this. And he's like, can any scientist tell me what on this page isn't true? And I kind of thought this was a joke. I thought it was. No, scroll. Oh my god. Oh my god. It is explaining the whole thing. The virus possesses, it was called up. Virus possesses biological characteristics that is not found in nature in, you know, italics. Data shows that all COVID -19 cases stem from a single in italics, single introduction into humans. This runs contrary to previous pandemics where there were multiple spillover events. Wuhan is home to China's foremost SARS research lab, which has a history of conducting gain of function research, gene altering and organism supercharging at inadequate biosafety levels.

2:49:35And this is where Fouchi, you know, they could get him on poetry because he was, you know, when he said famously to Rand Paul, you do not know what you are talking about. Yeah. Look, it's a photo of him with his hand. It is. You for the email where he, his team, obviously is like, oh, listen, this is. This is clearly gaining a function research. And then after he communicated with them, they all changed their. Yeah, for the sake of science and global harmony, let's not pursue this path. And then the nature study came. And that's. Yeah. So you can download the house oversight. Crazy. That looks like a report my daughter would put together by the way, Brian.

2:50:17It's cool. Yeah, it's so crazy. But what's even more amazing is that each and every one of those points is exactly what Brett Weinstein laid out on your show in March of 2020. Yeah. And I remember. And he was labeled a grandma killer. I pulled the freaking car over and started googling shit outside of Pacific coast highway. Yeah. And that was my neo moment in the matrix. I, that was it. I, I, that was, I was forever going. Well, I'm glad you took it. It was over. Glad you're on the right side. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Thanks for being here. I really enjoyed talking to you too. It was a lot of fun.

2:50:51Thank you for having me. Oh, can you find a good fight? I will. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.

2:51:11Is it a signature? You know what? Callie posted this and he's like, can any scientist tell me what on this page isn't true? And I kind of thought this was a joke. I thought it was. It was. No, scroll, scroll. Oh my god. It is explaining the whole thing. The virus possesses, scroll up, virus possesses biological characteristics that is not found in nature in, you know, italics. Data shows that all COVID -19 cases stem from a single in italics, single introduction into humans. This runs contrary to previous pandemics where there were multiple spillover events. Wuhan is home to China's foremost SARS research lab, which has a history of conducting gain of function research, gene altering and organism supercharging at inadequate biosafety levels.

2:52:01And this is where Fouchi, you know, they could get him on perjury because he was, you know, when he was being questioned, he thought when he said famously to Rand Paul, you do not know what you are talking about. Yeah. Look, it's a photo of him with his hand. It is. You for the email where he, his team, obviously, is like, oh, listen, this is clearly gaining a function research. Yeah. And then after he communicated with them, they all changed their business. Yeah, for the sake of science and global harmony, let's not pursue this path. And then the nature study came. And that's yeah. So you can download the house oversight.

2:52:39Crazy. That looks like a report my daughter would put together by the way, but it's cool. Yeah, it's so crazy. But what's even more amazing is that each and every one of those points is exactly what Brett Weinstein laid out on your show in March of 2020. Yeah. Yeah. And remember, and he was labeled a grandma killer. I pulled the freaking car over and started googling shit on the side of Pacific coast highway. Yeah. And that was my neo moment in the Matrix. I, that was it. I, I, I was, I was forever going. Wow. I'm glad you took it. It was over. Glad you're on the right side. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir.

2:53:15Thanks for being here. I really enjoyed talking to you too. It was a lot of fun. Thank you for having me. Oh, keep fighting the good fight. I will. Thank you. All right. Bye everybody.