#2315 - José Andrés

28:33Everyone's got a job. You've got a hundred people out there waiting to be served. You've run around making this and that, this and that. And orders are coming in. And this is medium rare, and this is that. That's this. Well, I think this is the ultimate power. The ultimate power is that power of being able to feed somebody. That's why for me, I mean, we are all cooks, you know, directly and directly.

29:02But the power of feeding somebody is the, that's all the power I'm going to have.

29:10To feed humanity, not physically, but even in a way what you do, you're old. The people that listen to you, you're feeding them. You're feeding their soul. You're serving. Yeah, you're serving is, but you're feeding. Yeah, I'm feeding food, but we are all, we are all feeding each other. We're feeding each other with hope. We're feeding each other with respect, with dignity, with love, with food. Yes. But it's about feeding. Yeah. I'm going to feed you. Yes. And I know you're going to feed me back. Yes. So, in a way, restaurants for me, I love that my culinary profession. I agree with you. It's a hard one.

30:02You know, has come a long way, has come a long way. I'm talking about, you know, 30, 40 years ago, even in Spain, if it depends where you live, if you told your family you wanted to be a cook. Oh my God, I was looking like, it was not the, it was not the profession. That was seen as, wow. You know, wow, you're not going to be a doctor, you're not going to be an architect. I'm like, what? I have no family member that went to university. I have uncles that went, but my father, my mother, didn't. They were nurses, but, but now my profession, this profession, has become a profession that has been, has become very dignified and is more than been a chef and a cook.

30:45It's the restaurant business, but, of course, it's a very difficult business. When, when do you think that changed and why did it change? Well, it's, nothing happens overnight. Listen, I use had these, documentary on the last season of chef table on Netflix, where I am one of the four chefs that on this season, they've done a documentary, and they've done a documentary of my teams and myself, culinary life. You're going to see Minibar, my top restaurant, to start Michelin Bazar, everything else. But you're going to see me telling stories about me cooking with my mom and my dad. Oh, sorry. Oh my God, and I didn't have the cigar yet.

31:39But, my profession is lowly but surely, because everybody cooks, right? I always talk about longer tables, but these go with almost to the beginning. A moment that was very important in my life, talking about cooks, and chefs, and restaurants, and food people, and feeding, is that the first time I became a dad, my daughter, who is 26 years old now, Carlota, an amazing, John, human being. In the moment she came out onto the world as a father, that I began having tears, another moment you realize that there's always so much pressure on everybody. I feel as a young man, I always had a lot of pressure to be the man everybody was expecting you to be.

32:35And sometimes you felt like nothing ever came with instructions. You had to. I have to be a boyfriend. What does that tell? What do I do? What is the right thing? And then you get married and okay, my husband, I'm going to fall short of what being a husband is. I need to be obviously a friend and a provider, but my wife was working too. And actually, I was without a job, and she was the one bringing the money in. They fired me from my same restaurant like three times. A restaurant I've always been par of, but technically I was even fired. You got fired three times? Well, two technically and the third almost I fired myself.

33:17What was going on? Well, because there were, I was too young to be a chef of a restaurant. And I'm a creative guy, you know, the guy that needs to run numbers and do food calls and inventory. And I was concentrated in, can we make the best food we can and new dishes? And the restaurant needed more numbers and food calls and labor and sketchling. Like, what? I'm a cook. I'm not a chef. I'm a cook. I want to cook. I don't want to be running numbers. So that's why. But anyway, life comes without instructions. And you always are looking around. It's like, so my daughter born and is like, okay, where are the instructions?

33:59I'm barely aware of how to become a young boy and be a part of. Now, now, now, my husband, now my father, I'm still learning about everything and nothing comes with instructions. But one thing I realized was one, the lessons of life. That moment that I had these amazing tears of joy, of happiness, of, wow, I'm a father. I was part, or at least I did my little tiny part. I don't know if I did 1 % and my wife did 99, for obvious reasons. They carried it for nine months and they take the burden of actually making it. They actually make it, but we do our little thing, right? We put in the old, it's permoto -side, but just for the record, we contribute to the world.

34:49We do our work again. But that young girl comes to the wall. And the moment I realized the power of food is when my wife gets the baby and brings her to her. First time she's feeding her. And I realized there the amazing power of food. Because the first gift we receive in the form of a tangible, the sense and message of, I'm going to take care of you. I'm going to love you. It's through mother's milk. And if our mother cannot treat us, that's mother. It'll be our dad with baby formula, it'll be the nurse, it'll be the grandma. But then momen, that we are brought in somebody's arms and we are fed.

35:48Then momen seals our connection with food for ever. That's the moment that we are all connected. To food in ways we cannot escape. For obvious reasons, we need food to be alive. But that only tells a little part of the entire deep profound story of the connection, the humans. We have with food. And that's why then, being a cook, yes, is one of the most fascinating professions. Because in a way, we are only the ones that we keep the legacy of the mothers feeding humanity. On that first mother's milk that sets the ground rules of why food is so important in our lives, in who we are. Forever. Boxing's biggest weekend is here.

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38:14New customers only. Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. 4 additional terms in responsible gaming resources. C -D -K -N -G dot -Co slash audio. Well, it's also an art form. It's a temporary art. It's an art that you consume. You eat it. And I think because it's not like music that you can listen to over and over again or comedy or a movie or literature, we don't think of it as an art form. I didn't realize it was an art form until I started watching Anthony Bourdain show. No reservations, the original one on the travel channel. And then from being like really a big fan of that show, I realized like, oh, this is art.

38:59And because of his narration, his narration was so brilliant. Because he wrote all the descriptions of the cultures that he would visit and the people and the descriptions of the chef. You could tell it was all in his language. It was in his mind and he wrote it all out. He didn't have writers and script writers. He wrote all the narratives. And I think then I realized through his passion for food and his passion for cooking and his deep appreciation for other chefs. It wasn't about him. And it was always very self -deprecating to his own abilities to cook. It was about other people and how amazing these people were and how we loved to go and visit them.

39:44And sometimes it was someone's mother that would be just cooking Sunday sauce. You know, some Italian mother and he would have someone translate what she was saying. He would ask questions. It's like, then I realized like, oh, this is an art form. And I never considered it was an art form until I was a grown man. And I was a little embarrassed by that. It was like, oh, that's a blind spot. Like food is not just delicious. It's a form of art. There's something to it that's, it's just an unheralded art form. Because everybody needs it. And it's not always art. Like Twinkies aren't art. But it's food.

40:17It's calories. You need to consume it to stay alive. You need food. So you don't think of it. But when it's done with passion and when it's done in this creative way, it's like, you talk about it forever. It's amazing. It's like going to see an incredible concert. Or it's like going to see a movie that just rocks your world. It's the same thing. It's just someone expressing themselves through a medium. And that medium is food. And it's the medium, the one medium that we all consume. Everyone consumes that medium. When I talk to people and they say, I don't really care about food. It's just fuel for me.

40:53I'm like, oh, you're an idiot. Like you're missing out on life. You're missing out on a giant chunk of life, which is delicious food. And delicious food that you enjoy with others, which is also a product of food. Enjoying delicious food by yourself is not nearly as fun as enjoying delicious food with other people. There's something communal about it, which goes back to our tribal ancestors sitting around the campfire and enjoying something that we cooked. I know we're mother -fidding -ass people in the first time. I missed honey. Yeah, me too. Me too. I missed honey. You know, I did... You know, we did...

41:34we did few shows together. He'll always invite me. Eric Rippert, he did many shows with him. And we spent a lot of time together, especially Janurys, we'll gather in the Cayman Islands. We did that for 15 years. For one week, every January. Oh, really? Why the Cayman Islands? Because Eric has a hotel there, a restaurant. Eric Rippert, the nicest talented chef, a liberal -dent restaurant of restaurants. And Eric, Tony and myself, we call ourselves the three amigos. And we'll spend time together. It's not gonna cigar, doing nothing. Walking on the beach. I scuba diving.

42:27So, when... when... when... when Tony decided he used to move to his next station life and left us, I was in Guatemala. I was actually with Wolzen Trichichen. I was a big volcano there, a volcano of fuego. And it broke my heart. I remember speaking to Eric that day. And what happens was that less than a month before I was with him in North Spain, Asturias, where I was born, shooting what he became his last show.

43:10And... and for me, obviously... That was a hard... a hard moment, because it's not like I lost a friend in a very selfish way. And Eric and... I know... I know so many hundreds of thousands, millions around the world lost a person. That... in so many ways, he's probably listening to us at your well. In... in so many ways, when I listen to you, you know, you... you sound like him. Tony, speak like Tony, and you always speak like yo. But in a way, you are like... like... like soulmates. And... and Tony always had those words of wisdom. He always will be the voice of the voiceless. He... he didn't mind to speak his mind.

44:04He then... he was a very straightforward shooter. He then tried to... to peace anybody off. Only he will need to be Tony. Respectful but Tony. And... and because that... forever, we will miss Tony. Even I think he... he never left. He's here. He's in so many... in so many parts of all of us. Yeah. Because he's way of telling stories. He's way to listen to the people telling those stories. And he becoming the medium of making sure that we will learn that the... the world was a beautiful place. Yeah. I remember the story he did about Iran. He went to Iran. Like sometimes you think about Iran, and if you read the news, it looks like the people of Iran, they are...

44:54And you see the show. They like... Man, Iranian people are great people. Yeah. Blame the leader, maybe the leaders, but Iranian people... They're good people. Of course. They're like you are like me. Of course. That's all people. Maybe look different. Yeah, that's all people. Maybe they have a different language. Yeah. And obviously we know a lot of Iranians who are here in America. And they're wonderful people. So he show what he did, the legacy of Tony, is that he shows us that the world is not such a scary place, that it's okay to open yourself to the world. What we were talking before about people that...

45:33they get into their cocoon and they don't want to... Yeah. Move beyond their comfort zone. Tony show us that the people that are not like us, they're actually okay. They're used different people that they're going to expand our horizons and our thoughts about life. That was Tony. And he did it through food, and he did it through his amazing, amazing poetry. Yeah. Yeah, that's perfectly said. It took a long time for me to be able to watch a show after he was gone. I love the painting you have in the entrance. What? I think cry because lately... I've been trying to hold my tears, not because I feel I mentioned not cry.

46:18I'm a guy that cries easily. And I love it. But when I saw it, first thing, I come out of the... I open the door and there is this beautiful big portrait of Tony. And I'm like, okay, I have a feeling I'm home. Yeah. I've got a couple. I've got another one I'll show you that I have that's another part of the studio. I've got a lot of art in the studio, luckily. You're this nice. I love art. I just love being around people's expressions. Different things that people have created. I just love things that people make. Really, that's... If there's anything that I couldn't live without in this world, I need to be around people's creations.

47:01It's very important to me. I like seeing it. I like it to be all over the wall. So I like it to be everywhere. I like to touch it. I want to see it. You know, and... When I found out he was gone because my friend Maynard, he's the lead singer of the tool. And Tony had really gotten into Jiu -Jitsu. And that's how... One of the ways... I was friends with him before that, but that's one of the ways Tony and I got closer. As you know, he knew I was a black belt. I was... I've been doing Jiu -Jitsu for decades. And so he would ask me questions. And when we were doing the show together, it was really funny.

47:36When I did one episode of No Reservation, we went fess and hunting in Montana. And part of the day, he's asking me how to finish darts chokes. So he and I are on the ground, on the dirt. And I'm saying now, when you're in this position, I'm like, I'm showing him how to strangle people in the dirt. So we're like wearing hunting clothes and boots and everything like that. And I'm like, no, no, no. This way, and then trap the head here and turn it like this away. Like, now do it to me. Do it to me. Like we're working with each other on the ground. And he's like fascinated by this martial art. And I thought it was wonderful.

48:11Because he's this sensitive, creative, poetic guy. But he found the beauty in Jiu -Jitsu, which is like to the outside person who's the uninformed, it looks like this brutal caveman activity. But it's not. It's a very complicated, intelligent, creative martial art. And he was obsessed with it. And he didn't start doing it until he was 58 years old, which is kind of crazy. But he really got obsessed with it, entered into tournaments, age appropriate tournaments, and did really well. And so it was training every day. Sometimes twice a day. Like we got just taking private lessons and like really got obsessed.

48:49I can't tell you that because when we were shooting in Astoria some few other places came in islands. One of the things he always did is finding out where was the local Jiu -Jitsu hanging place. And he's very funny. And yeah, though, it was a place and he will go there. And for one, two hours, he will be using fighting against local guys. So it was fascinating to see how even on weeks that he was supposed to be concentrated on shooting. He always found time to do what he loved. So Maynard got his black belt recently. And Maynard was also very into Jiu -Jitsu. And he was joking around like maybe one day he and Tony would have a celebrity Jiu -Jitsu match.

49:36So I'm in Chicago. I'm doing shows in Chicago. And I get a text message from Maynard and says, so much for that celebrity Jiu -Jitsu match. And I'm like, what does that mean? And so I'm like, I don't know what that means. I was a woman. And then I Google. And I have this feeling. And then I just the news. And then it all hits me. I'm like, oh, fuck. There's moments when people take their own life where the worst feeling is, I feel like if I was there, I could have stopped him from doing that. That's the feeling, eh? You know, the feeling like he just was alone. You know, sometimes you just eatin' you know, you're not alone and you're gonna be okay.

50:18Like whatever you think is gonna be the worst thing that's happening here, it's not your loved. Your loved. You're an amazing person. There's so much more to see. You don't wanna leave these people behind. You don't wanna hurt them. You don't wanna hurt these people in your life. You don't wanna hurt your family. You don't wanna hurt your daughter. You don't wanna hurt your wife. You don't do it. I know it feels impossible, but it's because you're alone. And it's, you know, sometimes, you know, I don't know, maybe I wouldn't have been able to do anything. Maybe I'm wrong. But does that haunting feeling that you, I could have talked to him?

50:50I gotta expand that feeling, fucking sucks, that feeling of, if I had just had a, if I could have, if I was there with him, I think we could have had some laughs, we could have joked around about some stuff and we would have been okay. That's, you know. Hey. Hey. I bet you feel the same way, right? This episode is brought to you by Zippercrooter in a survey 76 % of employers plan to grow their teams in 2025. Now that we're halfway through the year, how are those hiring goals going? Have you filled all the rules you wanted to? Or are you still looking? If you're struggling to find the right people or if you wanna streamline your hiring process, going forward, try Zip Intro.

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53:50And I understand that feeling because I'm still going through it. And it's okay to feel responsible, because that means you care for those people. But the message here is that we all need to be checking always on each other. Yeah. That's what France are for. Obviously for the celebration of your team winning the NBA, or having a beer, or the birthday, or a party, or celebrating life, or playing darts, or just having beers with not playing. What are you doing today? I'm having a beer. I'm joining you. Great. That's great. The celebrations, that's what we're here for. But the true moments of friendship obviously are those moments that even, even you show up when you're not invited, because you feel something may be off, and it's okay to knock on the door.

54:53It's okay to pick up the phone. It's okay to maybe get on a plane. It's okay to. And obviously, I guess, like you now, you know that I'm learning about, and gives me joy to see that here another person that really loved Tony. An Eric and myself and so many others around the beautiful life of Tony, that we wish we were there, right? Yeah. So, I think if anything, that's the, I don't think it's a lesson, it's only, let's always be there for each other. Yeah. Let's always be there for each other. And let's all be, even if, especially when we disagree about anything, yeah. Just let's be kinder to each other, even on the disagreements.

55:44Yeah. Of the people you know, and of the people you don't know. Right. Because we are all more connected than we think. And what we say and what, and our opinions, they may be touching and affecting somebody else. Somebody else we know, somebody we don't know. So, that's okay to celebrate a good times and agree all the time when we can. But it'll be moments that you don't, or moments of sadness, or moments of hate, just be kinder, even in those moments of disagreement. If anything, that's the lesson I always take with me. Because you don't know what anybody may be going through. Right. You don't know what anybody may be going through.

56:27Another lesson that I've taken with me is that any conflict that I've ever had with a person, even if I was correct, even if I was right and being angry, even if I was right in the mean things that I said, I never felt good afterwards. But every good interaction that I've ever had, where maybe me and a person disagreed, but we came out of it smiling and hugging, and we found common ground, then I feel great. Always, always feel great. You know, I just, there's going to be people that you run into in life that are stubborn and they don't want to avoid conflict. They want that conflict, they feed off of it, they're stupid.

57:03Whatever, not, not even stupid. They're on a bad path. They're on a bad, they have a bad programming. They have bad, whatever the patterns of behavior that are ingrained in their consciousness, they're unforgiving, and they're, you know, they have this, this way of living their life, and it's not a good way. And, you know, you can't fix everybody. So you just got to, when you encounter those people, you have to be able to filter people out of your life. You have to know, like, some people you can't interact with. But the people that you can just try to, try to not have conflict. I don't want any conflict.

57:38I'm not interested in it. I'm good at it. I know how to do conflict. I do, literally, do it professionally. Sure. You can break the, you can't break the negative anybody. But, but I mean, even verbal conflict. I'm not interested in it. I'm not interested in physical conflict and I'm not interested in verbal conflict. It's not, it's not what I like out of life. What I like out of life is fun and joy, and being around interesting people and challenges, doing difficult things, and creative things, and learning, learning about myself, learning about other people, learning about life. Conflict is just a distraction from your own personal demons, for the most part.

58:17It's a lot of what it is. When you're angry at other people, a lot of times you're really distracting yourself from the things you don't like about yourself. It's a flaw. And I try to filter it out as much as possible in my life. I'm not interested in it. Yeah, I'm trying to bet. I'm trying to be calm and the best question on myself on that. Yeah. The second most important word we can always use in our vocabulary, the second most important one is thank you. But the most important one is sorry. Yeah. Because thank you, people have a hard time saying thank you. Me, I try to use the word thank you often.

58:55As much as I can. But because God knows I'm an imperfect man, the word sorry is the one I also try to use as quick as I can. And mean it. And mean it. Yeah, that's the thing. Don't say sorry because you want someone to not be mad at you. Say sorry because you're actually sorry. And you're doing your best to change your effort, your behavior, or the way you raise your voice, or you... But thank you is important. Second most important is sorry. Yeah. Because it takes... It also takes a melody to say sorry. A lot of people will never say sorry. That's terrible. It's terrible to walk through life with no emillity.

59:38It's just so stupid. It's just a silly way to go through life with no emillity. Like why? Life is such a beautiful place. Especially when you are in... Obviously in cities you can see how beautiful life is, even. But when you are in a cure and you're seeing the sunrise, or you're seeing the sunset or you're seeing the moon, and you see how little you are. How insignificant you are. But at the same time how God gave us this power to be a part of these amazing universe we are part of. And then you are thankful there because you are like, oh my God, I am a part of something so beautiful. And we all occupy a space on that universe.

1:00:26And the space we occupy should be too. Don't make it worse. If anything, live it as it is. And if you can do whatever you can use to make it a little bit better. And that's our destiny in this universe. You only need to... Don't forget it. That's it. Don't forget it. And if you can do a little bit more, even better. Me when I am in those places like... I go to the south of Spain and my wife is from there, Cadith is where I did my military service in the Spanish Navy. And it's one moment not too far away from Gibraltar, the little possession that England has there in the south of Spain, that maybe when the England gives it back to Spain, there is a place that almost you can touch Africa.

1:01:16You feel like you can with your finger touch Africa in the straight of Gibraltar. And it's used like even a movie cannot recreate the amazing place you are with birds and the oceans, the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean, and two continents that want to love each other, but they are separate, but that body of water. They are... I look and I began circling my head in 360 degrees and I'm like, oh my god, what a beautiful planet we live in. It's not to fuck it up. What a beautiful universe. You know, I... one time when my oldest daughter was very young, we went to Hawaii, we went to the big island, and just on a lark, just for fun, we went to the top of the observatory.

1:02:12Is it Montaquea? The cat observatory, whatever mountain it is. And we were driving up there and they said, well, if it's a cloudy night, it's terrible, you can't see anything, but maybe you'll get lucky and there'll be some stars. You'll be able to see the stars. So we're driving, and as we're driving, I was telling my wife, look at all the clouds, this sucks. We're going to get up there, and then we drive even further. It's a long drive, it's like a 90 -minute drive through the mountains. As we got further, we drove through the clouds, and the crowds were below us, because it's very high. And the stars were magnificent.

1:02:48It was insane. You saw the whole Milky Way, and the entire sky was filled with stars. There's no light pollution, because the big island has diffused lighting. And they have specific lighting just because of the observatory that doesn't give light pollution, so you can see all the stars from up there. And I remember that day, like it is yesterday, every day, I think, every time I see the stars, I'm like, we're so fucked by cities, because we can't see what this really looks like. That's what it looks like. That's what it looked like at night. And I remember thinking, why don't we see that every day?

1:03:22Like the universe is so fascinating. Put you in your place. Oh my God, you are in a convertible spaceship, and you're hurling through the galaxy, and the only thing that's protecting you from everything else is a layer of gas. A layer of gas that surrounds this beautiful planet. Of course, it's life in one of those stars' systems. Oh, 100%. Is more than one. Oh, yeah. I think we're just little babies, and they're not ready to let us know yet. Well, I think. I'm sure they're trying. Some of them, I think, they're trying to contact others like we are. I think some of them have been here. I had a guy on yesterday's name's Howe Put Off.

1:04:03He's a physicist that's been working with the government with this stuff forever. He said they have 10 retrieved crafts that are of non -human intelligence. 10 that the United States is in possession of. And he said they, during the Bush administration, during George Bush's administration, they were contemplating disclosure to the American people. And they wanted to get all these physicists and scientists and psychologists to make a list of things that would be negatively impacted by disclosure and things that would be positively impacted by disclosure and give them a numerical value, like a zero to 10 value.

1:04:41And when they calculated it all up at the end of the day, the cons outweighed the pros, and they decided not to disclose. So during the Bush administration, during George Bush's administration, during 9 -11, during that time, that time period, they were contemplating, because it's 2004, they were contemplating having disclosure, and releasing to people the fact that we are in possession of non -human intelligent crafts. They have recovered biological entities, meaning beings from another planet that are preserved that we have, and that non -human crafts are visiting this planet, or might not even be visiting.

1:05:22They might actually be here. They might have bases in the ocean. They might have bases somewhere in the mountains, but that this is a real thing. So he started working on this in 2004. And he's, you know, 100 % convinced that we're not allowed to. It's been movies about it. This is the ones called Soundfifty One. Area 51. Area 51. Listen, nothing will give me more joy. As a young boy, I always thought, man, could I be the guy that finds ET? It wouldn't be cool. Yeah. And especially it seems, it's a good alien species, that is an alien species of goodness. Hopefully. Imagine, yeah. Imagine it's a science fiction movie, and planets like us, is part of, yeah, let's say they're here.

1:06:19And let's say that all the, you know, junk food and extra calories, and the obesity pandemic is actually something like, this alien civilization has orchestrated. And so, as we become father, they're going to be able to recollect more protein to take back to their planets. Okay. That can be a great, nice big movie, and then we'll eat seeds, and they'll take it with us, and they'll put us in the planet, and our estomacs will have potatoes in their fields. I don't know. But I only would say that if that already happened, and the government, the US government, number one, seems everything only happens in America, or the great movies of the world, everything happens in America, all the science fiction movies, and me as a young boy like, that's why I wanted to come to America, because men, the aliens never visit the Spain, it's always America.

1:07:17Everything cool always happens in America. And that's, I guess, why I wanted to come. But I will say that if already something like that happened, and we've not invaded it again, means that they're good aliens, let's hope. But I will say that at this moment, our government will be already sharing with al -afaz, something that will forever change the present and the future of humanity. You think they would already share it? Why not? No, I'll tell you why not, because he explained it to me yesterday. There's a bunch of problems. One of the problems is, they've been studying this stuff for decades, studying this stuff, back engineering crafts, all that stuff takes money, and the way they get that money is by lying.

1:08:03They lie to Congress, so they misappropriate funds. So they lie about where money is going, which puts people in jail. So in order for them to tell the truth, they have to open themselves up to serious criminal prosecution. Like you're in deep trouble. You've misappropriated funds, you've lied to Congress. And there's probably some fraud involved in that too. As soon as you get a bunch of people that can lie to Congress, who knows where all the money went, you know, money's moving around, and then there's also the fact that the way you work on these crafts, you have to use defense contractors, because they're the ones who make jets, they're the ones who make spaceships.

1:08:40Like you can't do it on your own. You have to bring in these scientists. So you have to bring in private industry. So when you bring in private industry, now you have the United States government, the intelligence agencies embedded in private industry. And then their competitors suffer. So if the competitors go under, then the competitors could sue, hey, you gave, you know, whatever, Raytheon. You gave Raytheon this special generator that you've back engineered from some flying saucer. Why didn't you give it to General Electric? Why didn't you give it to this company? Or that company? It's like, it's all Lockheed Martin.

1:09:15There's too many problems in terms of legal ramifications, prosecutions. People are going to lose their careers. They're going to be brought in front of Congress. They're going to have to testify. The only way that they're going to really have disclosure at this point is amnesty. The government is going to have to say, listen, let's let the past be the past. No one's going to get in trouble. But for the greater good of humanity, we need to know what the fuck is going on. So tell us what's going on. And that's a tough problem. So you mentioned about that. The Italians living in the ocean, that's Atlantis.

1:09:49Well, it's Atlantis. But Atlantis is Atlantis, which is a city under the water, which is a city above Corre. But technically somewhere, somewhere, and still they're looking for Atlantis. Well, they think they found the pyramids and some of the drawings and paintings that... I mean, we can go to Peru with the Incas and we can go with the Mayas and the Guatemala. And it's a lot of people that always have been trying to make connections of things they found that they say, already we made content in previous civilizations of Planet Earth. But I have a hard time believing that this has already happened.

1:10:34And I respect the opinion of obviously who looks, seems as an expert in the spin -off time. And I see that you believe in it. The sight of me that is the boy that we want to believe that there are other planets with people and we are not alone, I will be full of joy. So, hopefully, I hope that there are good people. And that happens that you and I and everybody else around the world, maybe that's the moment that the world becomes one. And all of a sudden we are all fighting. You remember what was the movie Independence Day? If they are the bad guys, you and I, you will be doing you Yitsu against an alien species.

1:11:19And me, I will be with two pens, I don't know, crashing their heads. But let's hope that they are more like ET? Yeah. No, like alien. Well, I would imagine if you look at the trajectory of human life on this planet, the world is safer than it's ever been. People are smarter than they've ever been. People are more aware, we have more access to information, and generally, generally, people are kinder and less tolerant of evil than they have ever been before. There are still problems with just the tribal nature of human beings where, you know, where territorial apes. That's what we are. But I would imagine that if they are so sophisticated that they're capable of traversing solar systems, traversing galaxies and reaching us, they're beyond that stuff.

1:12:16If they weren't and they have reached us, they could have destroyed us a thousand times over by now. We can destroy ourselves a thousand times over. We, with our inability to go to other galaxies, we could destroy ourselves. So for sure, they could destroy us. I don't think that's what they're interested in. I think we are an emerging civilization in the galactic sense. And I think that if you look at primitive man and you look at primitive primates and you look at current human beings and our technological achievements and all of our medical achievements and our ability to feed enormous groups of people and are concerned about the environment and all the things that make us so special as human beings, I would imagine that that would be even more advanced with these species.

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1:15:28This could be happening one day. Me, what I know, the thing I'm interested in is, I wish I will be alive when we put the first restaurant in the moon or the first restaurant in Mars. And I will be there using cooking for the first people arriving. I've done my little part, many chefs, many chefs, many you know. They've done thanks to NASA, their work, and they put their mark on food that has been sent to the Space Station. I did it in 2016, 2017. My dream was to send Paella, the Spanish -Rise dish, to the Space Station. I was able to partner with a company called Axiom, AXIOM, which is one of the companies helping provide services to NASA to bring astronauts, and they will do it also with civilians to the Space Station.

1:16:25And with the Spanish astronaut, the Spanish American astronaut, called López -Alegria. And he's like, hey, Axiom, we will be interested if you want to do a dish, because we're going to be feeding all the astronauts in one of our first trips. And if you are up to it, I say, yeah, what do I have to say? And we send Iberico ham, we send Paella Valentiana, we send a pork dish with pisto, which is like a ratatouille, a Spanish ratatouille. And I did it, that's amazing. But you know the thing I did, which is the coolest? Well, because all of that brings new things and new opportunities. So is this guy called Jim Sears, an amazing engineer, a guy that is crazy for a space like you, like me, like so many.

1:17:16And like everything, there is a competition, and the competition is about, right now, astronauts receive the food already cooked. Come in those pouches, semi -pures, liquids, that they pour into their mouth and... Yeah. And certain things are okay, the rice we did, I thought was very good even. We had a little issue. We tried to make the Paella too by the book, and the Paella at the end was a little bit too dry, as a traditional Paella is. Meaning the grains of rice are fairly loose and separated, one from each other, which on Earth is a sign of a good Paella. But in the space, if you open the pouch, all of the signs you start having all those little rice floating in the station, and there is the moment you want chopsticks, oh my god.

1:18:12I wasn't the edge of collapsing the space station by sending Paella, but... What I've been working on with this guy I mentioned, Jim Sears, is that he came up with a kitchen that will be the kitchen, and he won a competition. The kitchen that astronauts could use one day, hopefully soon enough, save it, and that gym, amazing guy. Jim Sears, and he took prototypes of this machine. He gave us the prototypes. My team has been working on them, Acharis, Macaroni and Cheese. That's a Conbret. And I want you to take a look, because this is how food we look in a space. If one day we have a kitchen in the surface of the moon, or in Mars, that's a brownie, and if Elon Musk, if you're listening to this conversation, a space food will look like this kind of circle, this circumference, because that machine, what it does, is centrifuge, like G -forces, can go up to G -14th.

1:19:26That's a lot of years. And the reason is that we will send ingredients, but ingredients will float. If you don't achieve the centrifuge, that will move the ingredients to the sides of this kind of kitchen where you don't cook in the bottom, but you cook on the sides, you will not be able to cook. You need that gravity, that G -forces to bring the food to the edges, then you can do mac and cheese, brownies. And this will be great, because especially even when they will go to Mars, astronauts are going to have to be doing something to keep their minds for one of the things will be cooking, why not?

1:20:06Why not? I'm better quality cooking. This amazing guy, Mr. Sears, is the guy that used to come up with a kitchen, and I feel like I'm for his camp in a chef's heart, that then you get the opportunities to get something like a kitchen, that one day could be the kitchen that will feed humans in his space. And that would be so great for morale, too, because instead of eating goop out of a tube, you're eating delicious food, so you can enjoy a real meal in space. What a genius idea to cook in a centrifuge, to spin it around so it has gravity. It's only option, you know you have like my rice floating everywhere, and it like excuse me, hey, hey chicken leg, come back here.

1:20:57Hello, hello, the fish is going to red snapper, come back to me baby. Yeah, you got it, but that's cool, that's so yeah listen to me, I love science fiction, I comics about science fiction, oh my god, I have a big collection of comics of manga, and if has to do with food even more, but about the space even more. And yeah, one day I hope, yeah, we'll meet, we'll meet aliens, and there'll be good people, and we'll be great people, and hopefully we will not, you know, get, we will not charge them any tariffs, so we can do good commerce. And maybe they will bring a different species of animals to increase our diet.

1:21:45Let's hope is that, okay, let's hope is that, and it's not, as I said, that they are waiting for planet earth to be 10, 20 billion people, all of us obese. That's why the best way, people of America, the best way to fight against an alien invasion of planet earth, is that we all stay fit, we don't get overweight, and we are lean, a lot of muscle, not a lot of fat, because that day, that alien civilization, we learn that we are not, we are not a harvest worth having, because we are to lean, and they cannot feed their own planets. Well, I don't think that's a good strategy, because I think some of the most delicious food is wild game, and wild game is very lean, you know.

1:22:37Okay, I think it's a terrible strategy. I think what we really, our real hope is that they've moved beyond that. I think what, our real hope is that they've moved beyond commerce. That's the real hope. I mean, everybody's all, look, I'm not saying communism is good, because communism doesn't work with human beings, because we're not prepared for communism. But I do think that if we evolve past these primate instincts that we have, and we genuinely develop some sort of a sense of real intimacy in community with everybody on earth, we would share resources. And our real fascination would be in contributing to, whether it's contributing to knowledge, contributing to art, contributing to whatever it is, instead of constant competition, our competition would be with ourselves to make better things, and to do better, and to achieve better.

1:23:32But that's going to have to come with, we're going to have to evolve past the way we interact with each other. And I think we're slowly doing that. I think human beings are slowly but surely doing that. And when you have well -minded people who want to embrace Marxism and socialism, I think that's really the heart of it. It's like, well, it's a good idea at a bad time. We're not prepared for that as human beings. But I think if we get to a point where we could all read each other's minds, which I think is on the horizon, we get to a point where information is instantaneous. We get to a point where, how do you have money?

1:24:14If money is ones and zeros, and then there's no such thing as encryption anymore, because you have quantum computing. And so you can't just keep money. We're going to have to develop a way as we advance as a society as a species to share resources, to share resources in a genuinely equitable way. It's beyond our comprehension now as territorial apes, but I think that's the future of the human species. As that one day we reach this peak where we realize that our true competition is within ourselves, within our own minds, and to do the best that we can for the overall greater good of the species.

1:24:52And then hopefully the greater good of the universe itself. Building longer tables. Building longer tables. What is good for you is good for me. Yes. Take a look at the Indian Pakistan right now. Right now, there's many issues that religion, territory, but one of them is water. Right. Resources. And which is really everybody's. It's the world's resources. And what do we do to make sure that as you said, but it's good for me as we go for you and they will have to do a share of it. And those same mistakes involve conflict. It brings it back to conflict and war. And people leading groups of people that don't understand what's going on.

1:25:44And forcing them to do things that are horrific. Do you think if more woman would be in power? No. Would be less. Liz War. No. No. That's not going to do it. I mean, it's a great idea, but if you're a woman boss, they turn into tyrants too. It's human beings. It's human beings. We should not have power over large groups of human beings. Because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It almost always does. That's why there's so many checks and balances in our system of government. You know, to try to try to mitigate the impact of human psychology when they achieve great power over everyone else.

1:26:20Because people just become tyrants. And I think that is the hurdle. That's the hurdle to become becoming a part of the galactic civilization. The hurdle is we have to get past that. We have to evolve as a species. And my suspicion is that somehow technology plays a part in that. And the inner connectivity that we're achieving through technology is going to advance our ability to understand each other. And it's going to advance our ability to communicate. And it's going to force us to come up with some sort of a new way to share resources. Obviously, the biggest resource for me is food. Yes, food.

1:27:03Well, for everyone. But then we have everything else. But that's the one thing you absolutely need for survival. You don't... You need fossil fuels because of the way society is engineered. That's why you need fossil fuels. Because we've gone in that way. You know, this is the real suspicion about ancient civilizations. It's that they figured out a way, a different way to achieve great results. That they did like the civilized, like ancient Egypt. To this day, we have no idea how they did that. How do they make those pyramids? How do they do it? How do they do it? At the very least, 4 ,500 years ago, many people suspect that it's far older than that.

1:27:39I'm one of them. I think civilizations have been around a long, long time. I'm going to think there's been catastrophes and there's a lot of physical evidence that point to those catastrophes. But the idea is that at one point in time, so our technology is evolved at a very specific path. Our technology has been the industrial revolution, the invention of the internal combustion engine, electronics, and all these things have led us to this incredible level of sophistication that we enjoy now that's so much different than people that lived just 200, 300 years ago. My suspicion is that the people of Egypt, the people of Turkey, there's a lot of other places in the world.

1:28:16They achieve very similar levels of sophistication with completely different methods that are lost, that are lost in history. And we know for a fact that there was an immense catastrophe. This is the catastrophe that's written in the Bible. This is the epic of Gilgamesh. This is Noah's Ark. This is so many cultures share these stories of a great civilization that was wiped out by great catastrophe. And science now believes that that is the younger driest period. The younger driest impact theory is this theory that we were hit by comments somewhere around 11 ,800 years ago. And essentially, wipe civilization out brought us back to baseline again.

1:29:00We were tribal hunter gatherer people again. And then we reinvented civilization 6 ,000 years, 7 ,000 years later. That's what I think. Food was wiped out. No, food was here. Food's always been here. We've always need food. But if you get hit by comments and there, and he's been in much recent events on volcanoes covering very much the high parts of our atmosphere. Oh yeah. And then we had very bad harvest because there was not enough sand to produce enough food. And those were very dark moments for humanity. One of my big worries is precisely that. That right now we live in a moment that yes, we have wars, we have conflicts.

1:29:46But still, I believe we live in a great moment in humanity that is full of opportunities. If we have the right leaders that want to bring the best angels within all of us and not used to rely on cheap politics of bringing the worst demons. Not making each other fight each other, but making each other respite and love each other even when we disagree. And that's why for me, food is the ultimate uniter. Yes. Because especially in the Marians, I've seen that in the worst moments of humanity, the best of humanity shows up. Yeah. That's true. Because as we mentioned at the beginning, the lovely mother feeding moment that unites you.

1:30:32Forties. The best way to tell somebody, I love you, I'm here with you. I'm going to respect you and I'm not going to let you alone. And this is why for me going to emergencies through my lifetime in the last 15 years especially, is the moment I've been seeing this moment of light of hope. I've seen is in these worst moments of humanity is so much love where there is no religion, no color, no political party. It's only people helping people. That tells me that food is this thing that people in a table can have a conversation about more meaningful things and then gets deeper than that. Yeah. Get deeper on food I said before, I think is the biggest power anybody can have.

1:31:20What's the one thing we all need? But the power of feeding others. And I think we're taking this power for granted. Governments are being cocky. I think we feel like it's enough food to feed planet Earth. And you mentioned before about this, how you say it in English, cataclysm. Moments. Yeah. Let's say for a second because I've been there that the perfect storm happens. Yeah. You know how much food we have more or less on planet Earth to feed the eight plus billion people we are. 90 days. 90 days let's say 100 is no more. There's no more. 120 let's say it'll be different people. I would like to know the number because I think that's very important for national security.

1:32:07But I've seen in the first year, in the same year I've seen back to back category five hurricanes. Heading Central America, big food producers. Parts of the United States with big food production, the Caribbean. I've seen typhoons in Asia at the same time. Heading very big food production areas. At the same time droughts in South America. At the same time that we had hurricanes with a lot of water. In Central America, droughts in Asia. Wiping out rice production. At the same time pest. Three four countries in Africa. With a couple of insects wiping out the entire harvest of the gym. Wards like Ukraine, Ukraine.

1:32:58The grain they export feeds close to 500 million people a year. I'm few other things. I'm forgetting. Put everything together in the shaker. And if it happens. We go from, we have enough food to feed humanity. But the problem is that we are not good enough in making sure that the voiceless and the burry poor get their share of food. To one day, the newspapers of the world will say, today we don't have enough food to feed humanity. This could be happening. Obviously, I want to think about the happy moments. About my restaurants and all the restaurants of the world full. The supermarket is full.

1:33:41Everybody eating and every mother and father we're able to bring a plate of food to their children. In America and in every country versus. When everybody has food on the table, the place is a more peaceful place. And a happy place. And a hopeful place. But I'm worried that they that may be happening and there's no science fiction. No, sometimes I'm sure. The one day we wake up, remember America, the richest country in the history of humanity. With the most talent in the history of humanity. American talent and talent that came from overseas. With inventions. Wow. Looking at the stars and dreaming of going to the moon and Mars and who knows what else.

1:34:27You know, I'm used to worry. We are taking food for granted in the way that no too long ago, America ran a baby formula for babies. The United States of America had no baby formula for every American family to provide baby formula to the children. And that seems a little thing. But it was an issue. It became an issue. And we could read it on the press, but this was real. Families with money, no problem. We could get it. Somebody will bring a therm overseas. But poor families, they were having a hard time finding that baby formula. That only tells me that we take food for granted. And that's why I've been always asking that we need to have a national food security advisor near the year of the President of the United States.

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1:36:36When things aren't going badly, like right now, we concentrate on getting more. I want more stuff. I want more this. I want more that. I want to get better. I want to make more money. I want to be more famous. I want to be more popular. Whatever it is. But all it takes is one super volcano. All these things that you're saying, these are all possible. War, famine, disease, pestilence, all that stuff's possible. But you know what else? One super volcano. Yellowstone. Yellowstone blows every six to eight hundred thousand years. And it's a continent killer. If it goes, the whole world's fucked. We have nuclear winter for decades.

1:37:09Like, who knows how long it lasts with the dust in the sky. There's going to be no crops. And people are just going to starve to death. There's no if ends or buts about it. If it blows, most of us here are dead. Most of us. And most of us, like there's a super volcano, the Tobe of volcano, in, I believe it was 70 ,000 years ago. They think brought humanity down to a few thousand people. And that could happen again. But it's very difficult for us to think that way. It's very difficult for us to imagine how things could be bad. That mean people that if you have a good bottle of wine, that is very expensive and you are waiting for it to that moment in your life.

1:37:51Remember what your Rogan said here? Drink it tonight. Drink it tonight. Don't keep it for tomorrow. Drink it today. Yeah. Makes sense. Right. But I think you're right too that we should probably prepare for the worst. And also figure out ways to mitigate it. Put some resources to figure out ways to mitigate the negative impacts of things like this. Like maybe have some massive food storage somewhere. If we have enough money to have massive weapon storage, why don't we have enough money to have massive food storage? Food storage that could keep the human race alive for years while we figure things out.

1:38:32You know. 100 % agree. Obviously we have seats like almost the North. That's great. But if you know it's a hard like. Correct. But we've done things like we have a library of seats. Yeah. Okay. No huge. We need a library of non -perishable foods. Totally, somewhere underground. Again, as I said, we have only food for so many weeks produced around the world. So Japan right now has like in the same way in the United States obviously we have the reserves of fuel. Right. We have gas reserves in case something happens. And then the governments and the presidents use that reserve. In Japan they have rice reserves.

1:39:20And those rice reserves they are not barely ever touch. They are there because in case something happens the government wants to have the possibility to. Japan has been releasing those rice reserves for different reasons because it's been the harvest of rice that not been as good as they were supposed to. It's a shortage of rice. The prices are going up. So it's a whole bunch of things. So they release those rice reserves and they're able to control the price. But here is more than controlling the price because inflation and other issues. This is because the rice is not been flowing through the market in the ways the Japanese society is used to.

1:40:08So it's only food for thought. China has 7 % of the farm land but has 15 % of the world population. We need to make sure that 7 % of the farm land but they have to feed 15 % of the world population. When you see that China is very interested in buying land in Africa, in America, that they help ports in many countries in Africa. Well, if you are the leader of China and you want to feed your people, what will you do to make sure that you don't only produce a home but if you cannot produce enough at home. Even every country should do more to be a better food producer. On the land we have, America has done well on that front.

1:40:58But China is smart. They are investing overseas. Why? Because they need to make sure that they keep feeding their population. It's a smart thing to do especially in a regime that we could argue is non -democratic regime and it's authoritarian. Even every time I've been to China, my God, I can never wait to go back. I think it's a beautiful country to visit. It's a country that has a tourist. I don't know. It's amazing place to visit. I cannot wait to go back because I think it's a very cool place. Good food, ancient civilization, great culture, great learning. But going back to food, food is one guy called Briacavaran, 1826.

1:41:44That year, the year after, I own a first edition of this book. I bought it when I was very young. I had to work like three months used to save the money to buy that book. I collect all what's the book called? The physiology of taste, the physiology of good and tell Briacavaran. Is that guy that said, tell me what you eat and I will tell you who you are. And this is a book from 1826. When was the printing press created? Is this a handwritten book? No, no. That's a printing press. No, no, that's print press. Briacavaran. And I own a first edition. Wow, physiology. This is a much later version in English and dental gastronomy.

1:42:35What language is yours in? French. And I have the first one printed in Spanish that was not printed in Spain, but in Mexico City. Oh wow. And he said, tell me what you eat and I'll tell you who you are, but he said something more important. He said, My French is not very good, but more or less. The destiny of the nations will depend on how they feed themselves. Wow. Right. And America's destiny is fat people. Fat people eat and process food. Well, I think we are not careful is the destiny of the world. Right. If we are not careful. But take a look at now. Come on. You go to the gas station. I remember when I was young and I went to the gas station.

1:43:25The gas station had a little restaurant that was maybe the restaurant. It was like a diner. But for me, it was like a high restaurant. And once every two months or three months, my father will take us there. The restaurant in the gas station. And I thought it was great to like, are we going to a restaurant? This is the days that we always could come. We never went to restaurants. But I'm only saying this because when we went to the gas station, we would be to go to the restaurant, happens was next to the gas station. But when my father went in to pay for the gas, he paid for the gas and that's it.

1:44:03It was nothing else there. It was the place to pay for the gas. And it happens the restaurant was there. That was the only food. Go now to the gas station. Oh my God. But you live with 25 ,000 calories. So you are feeding your car. And in the process, you are the cherries and the M &Ms and the sneakers and the... Oh my God. It's like the gas station now. I'm telling you, those gas stations are owned by those aliens that are to make sure we are really, really overweight. So one day they harvest us and they take us to their planets. I do believe the gas stations of the world are... They belong to the alien species.

1:44:48It's trying to make us all fat. But put that. So yeah, wow, it's overweight because I used to walk to go to school. Walk for an hour. One hour to go, one hour to come back. My father worked in the morning. My father worked at my mom, worked at night. We had one car. And they had that. But for me, I could do it in 20 minutes. It took me an hour because my life was walking through cherry trees and the forest and the farms. But I will go walking. It's not like I'm going in Uber. I will be walking. And come back walking. And life had changed. I'm going to the train walking and then from the train to the subway, I had to take a train and a subway.

1:45:38And then from this away, I had to walk. It's other times. Now life is very easy. You have calories everywhere. Calories everywhere. You wake up in the morning and you open your eyes and you are already calories. And that's one of the problems. And that's why we are all fighting against those calories that are not making us any healthier. Yeah, it's not calories. It's the type of calories. It's processed food that you can keep on the shelf forever. Because food is not supposed to be able to sit on the shelf like that forever. And the kind of food that can is not healthy for you. That's why it doesn't rot.

1:46:12It doesn't rot because it's not a lot. But didn't too much of anything. I could argue with you that it's a big conversation. And I'm not going to come here. You're actually I'm going to disagree with myself because I can agree with myself. Because we can have the same conversation and use a conversation from two different points of view. It's been obviously the very easy attack to the fast food industry, to the young food industry, to do, call it whatever, on the pandemic and the obesity, to the soda industry. And again, I'm not going to be the one here now becoming the Robin Hood defending them.

1:46:54But at the same time, they are not the only ones part of the problem either. Look at me. I'm overweight. I promise you by the end of this year, 22 and 5, I'm going to get close to 210 pounds. And I'm never going to move from there. I've been fighting. I used to be 280. I was able to bring it down already to two 15th. I went up right now. I'm in two 45. But I'm going to bring it down to 10 and I'm never, never going back. Because I only do myself to my wife, to my children. I own it because in a way, a chef, we are also an example. And I'm not going back. I'm not overweight because young food. I'm not overweight because fast food.

1:47:41I'm not overweight because so does. I'm overweight because I eat too much. Because the food I eat is very good food. You can get fat on carrots and got patchy at two. Sure. So we leave this conundrum. We have people that are poor right now that use not to happen. If you were poor, you were skinny and maybe you were hungry. Now we are in this situation that you have people that are poor and it's difficult to explain. And same seems that they are overweight. Because though the food they are able to buy is very cheap because it's all these young food you say. And that's part of the problem. And they are not only overweight but unhealthy because they have bad calorie, bad quality food because no nutrients.

1:48:26They cannot afford anything else and sometimes it's not only about the fording. It's because they don't have access to anything. Yes. Right. And there goes again about one of the big conversations. Food is a superpower. And it's a superpower that governments need to use for the betterment of their lives of their citizens. And goes beyond putting food on the plate. Goes beyond making sure that when I tell every American when I speak in every state, red or blue, urban areas or rural areas, every time I say every American children deserves to be fed. And no American family should be poor and hungry ever again.

1:49:15Everybody claps. This is the truth that brings everybody together. Yes. And you could argue why we have people who are poor or hungry. And then we talk, okay, what is the role of government making sure that we don't have poor and hungry? If we have a government, I would say in part is to make sure that we take care of the less privileged. And the poor and the hungry and the ones that lose their jobs and the veterans that come back home. And I think we need to have government for that. And government should do a better job in making sure that every children in America is fed. And making sure that it's not throwing them under the problem but invested in solutions.

1:49:53Yeah. Let me give you an example. Okay. I was 23. A charity called This Is a Drug Kitchen. Founded by a guy called Robert Egger, a barman, crazy guy. You need to invite him to this show if I can recommend you people that will give you amazing conversation about these issues. And he saw that food waste was wrong. But everybody was talking about food waste before anybody was talking about food waste. On President Bush in a Guration Day, he got a track. And he went to every hotel that they had this huge quantities of food on the parties after the inauguration that nobody thought. And he got them in the track, brought them to a central kitchen, repackaged everything, and began feeding the homeless in DC.

1:50:45Very pleasure later, that organization is doing 15 ,000 ,000 a day. But it's not about feeding. It's an organization that began bringing homeless into their kitchen. Ex -combeats into their kitchen. People couldn't find a job because they were in jail. Those, those homeless, all of the seven, they were receiving dignity. The dignity that society for some reason was not giving them. American born citizens that were not receiving the same opportunity to belong as this young immigrant conjo centrist that came from overseas and very often I got many doors open. People that for wherever, recently life fall behind.

1:51:30The kitchen gave them a place to belong. And in the process, they began learning how to cook. The organization, this is a kitchen, was teaching them how to cook. In the process they were making the meals with that leftover unused food. That they will produce and then the organization will feed the local homeless. In the process, CEOs and volunteers from around America will come to join forces, volunteering next to those ex -combeats and those homeless. That they were not convinced or homeless anymore. And in the process, food was becoming a place of building longer tables. So the $1 to feed one homeless was also the $1 to give hope.

1:52:17Was the $1 to give training. Was the $1 to rescue food. Was the $1 that those men and women, when they graduated, restaurants like me will hire them. So $1 for human resources. All of the sudden was no $1 thrown at the problem. We feed the poor and forever we'll have to spend the $1 to feed the poor. But no, was $1 to build up the entire economy of the city in the process of taking care of their most vulnerable. Robert Eger told me that philanthropy seems to always have the redemption of the giver. When actually that's the wrong approach. Philanthropy always must be about the liberation of the receiver.

1:53:02When you tell me what the role of our government should be, our government should be here to make sure that they invest in their citizens. And food is a good place for our government to be investing in our citizens. And it's also, it's looking at the long game too. Because the rising tide lifts all boats. The more people contribute to society, the stronger the economy is. Even though it would cost money, it would bring in more money. It would, you would have less crime, you would have less poverty, you would have less everything. You would have less need, you would have less have -nots and more have -s.

1:53:40Everything would be better. It's naps. Yeah. Big conversation right now. Yeah. A snaps which is what people call as food stamps. A snaps is a temporary, can be a day, a month, a year. For families that fall behind, that the government gives you that food dollar, that dollar assistance for food. And it's been very controversial. And his politics around it. As the way Democrats want, as the way Republicans want. But everybody forgets really about the right talk, which is what is the right policy? How do we, if somebody complains, oh food stamps has not full -file its promise? It's like, okay, but let's not fight about cutting it down.

1:54:31Let's fight about how to make it better. And let's make sure how those dollars in the process of feeding American families in blue and red estates equally. That helps those families that fall behind to be able to put food in the table are able to do it with the dignity they deserve. What happened? That because I said before the government doesn't see food as a whole. And usually everything is handled through the Department of Agriculture, which it's okay, but it's not the right right way. What happens? That when a family in a poor suburban area in any city in America receives the food stamps money, in the place they leave is so poor that they don't even have a market.

1:55:20Because their neighborhood is so poor that nobody wants to open a market. So even those poor families, they have to go to another neighborhood to spend those dollars even when they have no transportation sometimes, because they don't own a car or they don't have public transportation. So they don't have easy access even to that food. So imagine if all of a sudden the government, yes, they help the people through the food stamps, but also in the process, you're running a house in development is able to help building a market that is run by the city, is run by the state where the local farmers can come.

1:56:01In a way you are subsidizing that business because no other private business wants to do it, but somebody has to be taking care of that sure full. And always saying we build their market, all of a sudden that family has the dignity to be able to shop in their neighborhood where that shop actually hire local people that all of a sudden they are employing in the neighborhood and that neighborhood stops being poor no longer. And another saying that one dollar as this example I gave you of this is in the kitchen, it's not only the dollar that the government throws money at the problem, I'm going to feed you today, but that dollar of the government, if the government is smart and works as a whole, creates local employment in the same poor neighborhood, gives dignity to that neighborhood because all of a sudden it's a little bodega, a little market, all of a sudden that plays comes back to life.

1:56:54That's a wonderful idea, is there an example of a government in this world that's doing that? It's working places in the world that you know, local places. It's important that in America we have something we call the food deserts. Yeah, in Spain, the country no more, we have our own share of problems too. It's never the perfect city, the perfect state of the perfect country because if one place is perfect, please call us right now, call us to yourrogan .com and tell us the place in your rogan and I will move there tomorrow, right? But in Spain I grew up in public markets. Public markets that were available everywhere.

1:57:42Public markets that were public markets with the smallest stalls that local business owners could have their little chicken place or the local farmer could have a place he could afford and be knownly a farmer but a local businessman by selling his product. Here we have farmer's markets which are great but it's very difficult to see them in the forgotten, sometimes pointless, pointless places in America. In a lot of suburban areas, in a lot of rural areas that sometimes they're totally forgotten and and food could be a great way to make sure that they are not forgotten. Every school in America should have a kitchen with good cooks that they are well trained, that they are well paid, investing money in the infrastructure to build those kitchens.

1:58:33Mine from the local farmers who run in those rural schools. In the process, one dollar to feed the children but one dollar to invest in infrastructure, one dollar to buy food from the local farmers, one dollar to pay for the local cooks that work in that little rural community. All of the sudden in the process of feeding better quality food to our children, food that is fresh and made from scratch and that when you can is local, that one dollar to feed the children is also one dollar that indirectly through the investment of the federal government invests in the economy of that forgotten rural community.

1:59:11That's why those are examples of who food can be making our system better. Yeah, absolutely. France invests a lot of money in feeding the children, Spain invests money in feeding the children but America knows we can do much better, especially because what you mentioned before. We have issues with obesity, we have issues with hunger at the same time and the government has to play a bigger role in how to be solving those issues that to me there are no problems but opportunities. I think one thing that this administration is doing well under Bobby Kennedy is that he is trying to educate people on what is healthy food and what are the problems and one of the ways he is by eliminating harmful ingredients that are banned in other countries and that we use everywhere in this country.

2:00:08To slowly but surely make people aware of these problems and make people aware of what these foods are doing to the overall metabolic health of these people and why we have these crises. Why we have these crises of obesity and diabetes, type 2 diabetes which is food caused and environmental issues that we put people have because of pesticides and herbicides and to slowly clean that up so it is a good step in the right direction. I think one of the things that you do that is really beautiful is when there is crises in the world you go there and you cook. You know I know that you were doing that during the Ukraine war and I know you did a lot of that during in Gaza.

2:00:50I think that is very beautiful. That is an amazing thing that you do. Because you don't have a lot of time, you are a busy guy. No, I have nothing to do. My day is dedicated to your organ. Normally you are very busy. For you to do that, that is an amazing thing. I will give you a book that tells a little bit of what we do. Before we get into this, I want to mention something about Secretary Kennedy and about why politics is bad but policy is good.

2:01:27I don't agree with everything. Secretary Kennedy is doing vaccines. I mean my mom was a nurse, my father, my family, daughter. But I am not going to get into that. Everybody is entitled to their opinions and obviously truth hopefully will always prevail and the business issues will be made. But I have 100 % support. What Secretary Kennedy is trying to do. 100%, 110%. Secretary Kennedy and one more person joining your willingness to make America healthy. But then this is a conversation I want to be happy. It is not like first time we heard before from the public saying why the government has to decide why we eat.

2:02:24And in a way, Secretary Kennedy is doing that too. So 100%. I agree that sometimes the government has to intervene. And that is why policy that is bipartisan in these issues is what I believe food can be bring in both parties together. Because I am going to say everybody in America needs to be supporting whatever initiative Secretary Kennedy has in the next four years to feed America better, to have America fitted, to make sure every children is fed, with more fresh fruits and vegetables. With less young food and etc., etc., etc. But I am only going to go back then to President Obama. And I am going to be talking about Michelle Obama.

2:03:13She creates a movement called Let's Move. And very much is aligned with a lot of the things Secretary Kennedy was doing. And the conversation by then was why is the first lady having to tell me if I need to eat a spinach or hot dogs? Who is she? And the only thing she was trying to do is exactly what Secretary Kennedy is doing now. So what I'm only saying is let's put politics aside on those issues that is about every single America. And let's agree once and for all in the things that actually both parties always should be supporting each other. I use ways that Secretary Kennedy back then will be one boy's next to Michelle Obama in trying to do fresh fruits and vegetables in schools and children and American families.

2:04:03And so the same people that supported Michelle Obama initiatives back in the day, I want them to be supporting now Secretary Kennedy. For sure. But also Secretary Kennedy needs to promise me that if one day he is not in power and another party come on, other President come with that should be always the same. I mean that's a mother who is in power. America should be eating better. America should be healthier. America, children should be producing the best qualities of food because we are the richest country in the history of mankind. America exports more food than any country in the world. America should be feeding every children, every family with the best possible food we have on planet Earth.

2:04:48Therefore everybody should be joining that movement. But again, let's put them politics on the side and let's make sure that we come up with smarter policies that will allow not only Secretary Kennedy and this administration, but every administration in the years to come with bipartisan support in the right way to fit America with the right food that makes us healthier and that makes us stronger. And where food is part of this solution. I think we all agree. I think the issue was with Michelle Obama was back in 2008. I don't think people were as aware of the consequences of food choices. I don't think they realized how many metabolic health issues.

2:05:29I think some people did. But I think because of podcasts and because of documentaries and because of a lot of discussions and articles that have been written on the issues that people have with food and the additive. And food and preservatives and the real problems that people have and not exercising. I think people just weren't as aware. I think one of the good things about the internet is that is exposed people to a lot more voices of people that are living lives that are more interesting to follow in terms of their health choices and whether or not they're what you got there. I don't want these to distract us.

2:06:11It's already done that. Pulling out bricks. What do you got there? You have food? I don't think it's a it's certainly I agree with you son of it should be an issue that has nothing to do with politics. It should just be about the care of people. So it's just good. It's solid advice. So let's agree on that everybody. We need to agree that what Michelle Obama was trying to do was the right thing for sure. I remember she brought over 1000 chefs to the lounge in the White House. Oh really in the first weeks of her ministry or months with no yenda only telling everybody to make America. I can't read where every children can eat and every children in every public school across America can eat better.

2:06:56We need the help of everybody. Yeah and anybody who's against that that's an anti -American thing. Correct. Yeah you should be 100 % correct all of us all of us. What's that to what do you got there? This is some cream cream. Yeah some cream fresh. Oh cream fresh. And my guys put me there some caviar. Great. You brought caviar? I had to. I like it. I'm gonna die. I'm gonna put me I told them I'm coming to your role. I don't know guys and if you can hear me outside they hear me outside. Yeah they do Carlos are you there bring me some home and bring me a spoon man. Do you need a knife? No I'm worried I'll figure out I have a knife.

2:07:34We'll figure out I have a bunch of knives. So I know now we're talking about feeding the poor and feeding the hungry and now we're gonna be having caviar but that only shows you the complexities of life itself and that's where it is. Here we go plates. Carlos put it in front of him. Thank you. Thank you very much. We got ham here ladies and gentlemen. Sorry all the vegans. Yeah cream fresh caviar and ham. No but but use for the record. I mean ham is for vegans. They only take course. Do you know where this ham is so good? Why? That's the beauty about food man. Every dish shut those doors. Yeah.

2:08:16Oh it's coming back. Every dish. Every dish has a story. Every ingredient has a tell. Every ingredient. So ham is for vegans. How? I don't understand where you say it. Well I mean if the pork and the cattle it's grass. Technically they're vegetarian too. So be aitarian should be eating be aitarians. I think you're missing the message. Okay. Their message is animal so good. I know these these story sounds very strange but I think here in your podcast we heard people say that they're not eating meat. I know this is a story. It sounds very strange but I think here in your podcast we heard people we've even more more strange stories.

2:08:51I think this one is as good as any story. If the pork it's acorns. Therefore the pork is be aitarian. Right. Therefore I'll be aitarian should eat the be aitarian. Let me use that logic on you. No your very smart. I think your right is vegan. That means you can eat them. That's what you're saying. No no I can't say that. Well. Oh my god. Wait do you know I help to this free brighter. I was a director of a series on NBC called Hannibal many years ago. What was it about Hannibal Lecter? When he was young. Oh okay. I was I was helping them with the menus, the food, the scripts, the crazy conversations.

2:09:35Why was he a chef? No but he remember he was a good man. Right. Favvabins. Yeah. And so this was the early years of Hannibal Lecter before. He was caught. Got it. When he was the story happens. He's bad. Timor and he's this. So amazing. Fascinating. And anyway I don't know what I'm telling you these but that was amazing. That was a lot of meat on that movie. Yeah he ate people too. That's kind of goes to my argument. I don't think vegans are going to agree with you. That's all I'm saying. Yeah and that happens but the good thing is I have a vegetarian cookbook. Do you? Bestie balls and leash. Okay.

2:10:15I love vegetables. Well vegetarians should really eat eggs. You know I mean vegans should eat eggs too. Especially if you have your own chickens. It's like karma free food. Jamie come get some caviar and caramel fresh brother. We feed everybody. There we go. Get in there Jamie. You eat that right. I'm sorry. Some people are very squeamish on certain types of foods. So why we were we are food. We are eating food. What is your favorite food to cook? Do you have a favorite food to cook? Oh my god. Okay in this book it's not like I'm selling the book. Trust me. Okay. We did okay. In change the recipe.

2:10:50Those are stories for my daughters. Oh my god. I'm so good. You know I think everybody has to write their stories. I have so many stories of my dad and my mom. Photos, moments. Then now I have questions of what happened but nobody is there to answer them anymore. So this book was a little bit that few little stories. I had some time during the summer on the Polish Air. Thought yeah, write those stories and we'll publish them. It's like okay. But I had to put some recipes. One of the recipes I did during the pandemic. In the pandemic I was cooking with my daughters. If I was not feeding people around the state so in India or in Spain.

2:11:27I will be home. And they will be studying when everybody was online. And then late at night seven eight will cook. We'll put one song. And we'll all start cooking and dancing at the rhythm of the song. And I will be making a dish with them. One day I had to make eggs very quickly. That they will only have three minutes. I have a meeting. I have a meeting. I have this. I have that. Okay. Okay. I get the eggs. I have mayo. I mix one egg with one big spoon of mayo.

2:12:09I put it in a shallow kind of crystal plate. Maybe the fat I put oil in butter I think a little bit. I put that egg mix of mayo and egg. I put in the microwave 30 -40 seconds. Oh my God. The best omelette in the history of mankind. Really? Microwave omelette was the best omelette in the history of mankind. I mean listen. In Spain we say I don't have a grandmother anymore. My grandmother is dead. You know when you are the one that you give. You say who you are yourself. You say you don't have a grandmother. It was so good. Fluffy, egg on egg. Egg on oil together. That the motion of mayo and egg that has so much air was like putting a lot of air inside the egg itself.

2:13:02Oh my God. Try it. Okay. Quickest omelette anybody can be. And then you can top it with caviar or you can top it with magiums, moxamon or sotéspinés. The lixus. But what is your favorite thing to cook? Do you have a favorite thing to cook? Or do you just like cooking everything? I like the big pot. A big pot. I like to cook. Like paella. I love paella. Like paella on an open fire. Oh yeah. Like a big cast iron pot. When I was young my father, my father was a cook at heart. But he was a nurse. But when he was not at the hospital he would be cooking for friends on the weekends. My mom was more Monday through Friday.

2:13:48My father was more the weekend cook. And the paella is something he will invite 10, 20, 30, 40 people. He had different sizes. My father will invite everybody. But he will never keep count of whom. Thank you show up or 30. My mom always was like, But how do we prepare? My dad said, ah, big problems. He has easy solutions, simple solutions. If more people can't we add more rice to the pan. But he always brought extra pans because he never knew the size. He put me in charge of making the fire. He would send me to the forest. I'll gather the wood. I'll make the fire. He put the fire on top, three rocks.

2:14:34One day I got very upset because I wanted to cook. I knew how to do the fire. I was tired of the fire. I wanted to cook the paella. But the fire required somebody to dedicate it. My father got upset with me because it was very persistent. Send me away. He cooked with me. When he came back, when I came back and everybody ate, he told me my son, everybody wants to do the cooking. Everybody wants to steer the pot.

2:15:06Nobody seems to be interested in making the fire. Actually making the fire is the most important thing. Control the fire. And then you can do any cooking you want. I don't know if my father's words were as deep as now, many years later, I made them to be coming my brain. But I think my father was trying to tell me that. That obviously was a great, the red lesson for a young cook in the making. But I think my father, in a way, that was a great metaphor for life itself. Find your fire, control your fire. Master it. And then my friend, go and do the cooking. When you set up Bizarmeets in Vegas, what made you decide to cook over open fire that way with hardwood?

2:16:00Which I really love, those grill works, grills with the Argentine style grills with the wheel. You raise and lower the grill over the natural wood fire. I love that. I've seen that since I was a little boy. How good is that ham, Jim? From refuse. No, wow. Pretty damn good, right? If you eat another person before, yeah, we ate that, right? How good is that? The ham there is the same. From refuse, one of the titans, from refuse gave, in a way they would say that man was great from clay. And from refuse gave also man the control of fire. Right. That was the gift from from refuse. So we come from clay and we control the fire.

2:17:00Nothing for me, as a young boy, was more fascinating than seeing the very big clay pots on open fires. The fire, my father made with this very big metal, metal fire pan. But we will have also our terracotta. If you can't my house right now, I have terracotta pots everywhere. I also have the biggest grill wall that any human can have in their private home. Do we have a foot of that? Of your grill wall? Do we have a grill wall there somewhere? Oh, that's a good one.

2:17:44But me cooking with fire, with binds, orange tree, making the fire in the countryside. With the terracotta that you put the water and you put the meat and you put the pork and you put the vegetables and you put the chickpeas. And you boil it and you are doing what you do when you are in the forest or in the countryside. Do you like the big pots because you know you are going to serve a big party of people with it? So it's like the communal aspect of it? It's like, it's the closest thing. If the man is the cook. I have a grill like that at my house. Look at, he's one, two, three, four. I have a fifth one.

2:18:25I have another one behind. I have a smoker from Texas behind. I got one of those two. I got a smoker, I have a pellet grill, I have the grill works grill and I have an infrared grill. And those two at the end, they are from Spain. They are amazing. They are also amazing. I like that. I like that moment. You know when I like to do that? I don't even have a cover. But even when he is, he is knowing I love to do that. It's nothing more amazing than having an open fire with his now falling down and you cook in there. It's just fascinating. It's very primal. It's like being in the cave. Well, I think human beings have been cooking over fire for so long that there is something incredibly comforting about cooking over fire.

2:19:18Very satisfying, rewarding. It's different than anything else. When you see the actual wood and you make the fire yourself, so you start it from the very beginning. Little tiny pieces of cut wood, you know the little kindling and you lay the sticks over it and you get that going. Then you lay larger and larger pieces of wood over it. Then you get a roaring fire and break it down to coals. And then you start the sizzle, the salted meat over the coals and... You know how they are beginning when they came America? I don't understand smoking. Because you know, the first smoking I had, the smoked foods I had was in New York.

2:19:57Probably were not good places. It took me time until I came into the smoked meat culture of America. Right. Texas. Oh my God. Here was here. It's for me, baby. There are so many places. Obviously I came one of the first places I came was Franklin. Franklin is incredible. Listen. All the time, the hours, the precise temperature. Yeah.

2:20:30The... the usingness of that piece of meat in contact with your tongue. Before it is in your tongue, obviously you cannot be a barbecue with fork and knife. Fork and knife people, they were created for you to protect your food from others. The fork and knife was not created for you to use it. You cannot be a barbecue with fork and knife. You cannot. You... but has many reasons why. You get a fork and you'll get no information. You are seeing the color or the usingness, maybe the smell in the distance, but... But when you start using your fingers, the moment your fingers get in touch with that piece of meat, already the meat is being talking to you directly, like if it's an alien form telling you, hey, baby, here I am.

2:21:25And you know the temperature and you know the usingness and you know the fatiness. And as you are grabbing it with your two fingers already, it's so many things happening in the process of you bringing your two fingers with a piece of barbecue into your mouth, already your mouth is salivating, already your tongue is activated, already your stomach is flowing with uses, already your brain, your eyes, everything is used for your joy. Use the very simple thing of using your two fingers to grab the piece of barbecue. That moment itself, even if you don't eat it, you can make a movie out of that simple humble moment of grabbing the piece of barbecue with your two fingers.

2:22:10Mmm. I love to eat with my hands. Clearly. Sushi. I eat with my hands. Oh yeah, you got to. I love ribs. Ribs you have to eat with your hands. There's no other way. You're holding onto a big beef rib. If you've ever seen the beef ribs at Terry Blacks, Terry Blacks have beef ribs that look like they came from a prehistoric animal. Big massive, juicy beef ribs that take a day to cook. And you just sink your teeth into it. It's like, oh, it's so moist and delicious. And so huge. You can't even, I don't know how anybody can eat a whole one. You get three or four bites in, you like stop. I can't. It's just so fatty and juicy.

2:22:58So before I obviously came, I came to the United States. You know, baby lamb, baby pig. In Spain, we love babies. The baby lamb. Suckling pig. The second pig. I was watching a documentary today on this restaurant in Spain that's known for suckling pigs and they were cooking it all over open flames. That takes two hours and that being only water, only salt and the little animal. It's unbelievable. It's the die for. You know, a happy day for me. I remember coming. So I was in the Spanish Navy. First time I come America. I was cooking for the admiral. And I'm like, really? I was a young cook already, talented.

2:23:49I won a little championship here and they are already working some high and restaurants in Spain. Mandatories, military service. But for me, the military service changed my life in so many good ways. Service to your nation, service to your country, be part of a group of people with a very clear mission working as one. But anyway. I cook for the admiral. I tell him, really? I'm having the best life. He has two or three daughters. I have my own apartment. I'm only cooking for the family. They are treating me like a son. Life was good. But I wanted to go on a boat. No, on any boat. In the training ship of the Spanish Navy.

2:24:34The training ship for the mission man.

2:24:39A sailing ship. A tall ship. The Juan Sebastián del Canal. Technically, Miguel and was the guy that began the circuit navigation on the world. But he died. And the guy that finished the circuit navigation was Juan Sebastián del Canal. The boat was called in his name. Beautiful boat. Foremasth, white. If you could find a photo, we'll be amazing if people could see it. 300. Now is a woman that goes in the old days. 300 men. Now actually, the princess, a future queen of Spain, is on this boat right now. On the train trip. First time I live Europe. First time I visit Canary Islands. First time I visit Africa.

2:25:26I recall Abidjan. First time I visit Brazil. Rio de Janeiro. My first caipirinha. My first papaya. First time I visit Dominican Republic. Santo Mingo. First time I arrived to Florida. United States, Pensacola. The city of the five flags. Hello, one of the five flags. The Spanish Castilian flag. Hello, of sure I belong here. Yeah, I already was in love with America. So I said it was a little boy. The NBA, the Westerns. The history of America, the civil war, I was passing away with America. There is first time I had soft -shell crops in my life. Those are the moments that every time you... I remember when my father brought the first kiwi home.

2:26:15I was a little boy and my mom was so upset because he paid like 4 % of his monthly salary to buy five kiwi. But my father was like, I guess that's why I became so crazy. For me finding a new product is like the happiest moment of my life. Soft -shell crop for me was like holy cow. Soft -shell crops are amazing. A whole crop that you can eat like a seal that is soft. Oh my God, those moments I remember was yesterday. But one of the most beautiful things is I moved to New York in the next segment of the trip. And I remember coming under the Burrerson of Bridge, Lady Liberty, Ellie Silent, I'm an immigrant.

2:27:04Even I'm not an immigrant. I'm a soldier. A Navy guy visiting America. I became an immigrant later. And there that night I'm watching the American flag before we go to shore. And I'm looking at the stars. Same stars we were talking before. I'm looking at American flag. I'm looking at the stars. The dark blue color, the white stars. And me I'm like, holy cow America is amazing. Look at they put in their flag. The same blue sky at night. Where you imagine that you can be free. That everything is possible. That you are welcome. That if you were hard, you can be long. I look like a fool when I realize.

2:27:53Few weeks later, whatever. That the American flag stars actually were the states. Okay, yeah, I had no clue that the stars were the states. To this day, I think my story is much more beautiful. That is much more beautiful than the states. But anyway, I wanted to share that story with you because when we dock around Therese Street on Manhattan, Therese years later.

2:28:28So I finished the military service I came back America, moved to New York, then I came Washington. But 30 years later, I opened Mercado little Spain, which was bringing a little bigger piece of Spain to New York to Manhattan, 200 meters away from the same place I arrived New York for the first time 30 years before. Wow. And when they tell me about the American dream, I want to share the message that if anything, the American dream is more alive than ever before. With that doesn't mean that we live in a perfect place in a cocoon where everything is perfect. Actually, no, the American dream is realizing that actually we need to work hard for the things we want, for ourselves and from everybody else around us.

2:29:20The American dream is recognize that we are a beautiful place created through centuries by so many different people that contributed so much. The people like me, I'm right now so proud and so happy and so thankful overall of being given the opportunity to come to this country to belong. As an immigrant, first with a need to be sad, then with a green car, and then becoming an American citizen, with three beautiful American daughters. That much of what I am, and I live 70 % and 90 % of my other life in this country. I know where I come from, I love Spain, everybody knows it. But that also I know where I belong, and everybody knows how much I love this country.

2:30:09And now go back into my first arrival as a sailor, my combat as an immigrant, and the last 30 plus years. I want to remember that moment with American flag and the beautiful night sky full of stars, because still the American dream I want to repeat myself is here, but we all need to do better to work towards that dream, where we do it sharing longer tables, where we do it with dignity to others, especially to the boiseless, especially to the poor. And the together we solve the problems that we face. The problems are opportunities for us to work together. And that's what our politicians need to do more of.

2:30:57Well I think America is oftentimes truly appreciated by people who come here. The people that are here, it's almost like you're just too accustomed to it. You feel entitled. There's a lot of Americans that have an entitled perspective about this country, whereas most of my friends that come here from other places, Russell Crowe had a brilliant thing that he was saying about America. Well last time he was here, said the rest of the world is counting on us, because this is the place of freedom. This is the place of opportunity, this is the place where anybody can come and make something out of themselves.

2:31:32And it's not the United States owes you, the people here, the people become entitled, and they have this perspective. We get too used to the fact that we're here. We live in another part of the world, you'd appreciate America. Whenever I travel, I love traveling. I love seeing other parts of the world, but I can't wait to come home. I love it here. I love it here specifically. It's just, it's a wonderful part of the world. It's a great place. Austin is amazing. It's the perfect size city. I think I talk about it too much, so people are moving here too much. I try to hedge my enthusiasm a little bit, but I think cities can get too big.

2:32:15And when cities get too big, people become a burden rather than your neighbors, your community. People become, you know, you have this diffusion of responsibility. There's too many people. It's not my problem. Too many people are in the way. Instead of, this is my community. And Austin is not too big. People are friendly and nice, and there's a lot of art here, there's a lot of music. Now there's a lot of comedy. There's a lot of cool people here. A lot of food. Is that great food? Is that a good podcast too? Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot here. Many, many great podcasts come out of Austin now. It's a lot changed.

2:32:51That was one of the good things about the pandemic. A bad thing happened, and a lot of good results came out of it, where people realized they don't want to be places that have restrictive governments. And in California, I had a very restrictive government and got a lot worse during the pandemic. But it's the same thing that we were talking about before about power and tyranny. Absolute power. When you tell people what they can and can't do, you can tell people they can't work. Tell people they can't keep restaurants open. There was a restaurant apocalypse in California. 70 % of all the restaurants in Los Angeles went under.

2:33:2370%. That's crazy. That's an insane number. Well, I don't know if that number... I know that number. Is it number? Yeah. There's an official number. 70%. Restaurants are one of the hardest business to keep. Right. Which is why it's a huge percentage of restaurants close in the first year. Right. It's like 50%. Even a bigger one. I think it's 25 % something like that. That on the first year or something like that. And only a very small percentage make it past five years. Yeah, it's like 50 % over three years or something I think was hard. So restaurant businesses are tough business. Very hard, right?

2:34:01Very hard. Very hard. You want to give people economical prices, but you have overhead, you have staff, you have this. Everybody complains that you have a charge, but then we need to take care of the people and the employees. Yeah. You need to make a living. But we forget the vast majority of the restaurants in America are owned by small business owners. Who many of them are working as a gyroistic and to make the restaurant successful. We forget sometimes that, right? The business owner in the way is then employed too. Well, it's another thing. People feel entitled to good restaurants. They don't appreciate the people that serve them.

2:34:45You know, they don't appreciate the people that cook and the people that provide this experience. We can go to a nice place, wonderful atmosphere and great service. You can really enjoy a meal and enjoy someone's art. Which is really what it is. Anthony Burden, that we mentioned before, obviously, was a big, a spokesperson for all the restaurants. Sure. Especially the immigrants. Especially the people who perform... He loves street farms. More than everybody. Yeah. Oh, that's a shame. More than anybody. You know. Yeah. More than anybody. But these are the complexities we live. Listen, sometimes it feels...

2:35:25And we saw it during the pandemic, that the people that feed America, the people that feed the world. Sometimes it seems, and Israel very often, that they cannot feed themselves. Farmers in California. Right. Farmers in Florida. People working in the farms, picking up all the grass, strawberries for you and I to enjoy. And they seem that they cannot feed themselves. Because, whole little they make and... Yeah. And that's the conundrum that we need to be changing in the food industry. It's a lack of understanding of the effort that's involved in feeding us. We're just accustomed to be able to go to the supermarket, this wealth of abundance.

2:36:11You know, it's almost... It's just a lack of perspective. A lack of understanding of the effort that's involved feeding all these people. And a lack of appreciation and real gratitude. Gratitude towards these restaurants and these farms and these people that work so hard. It takes a village to feed the world. To feed the American, to feed the world, it takes a village. It's a lot of people from the fishmongers. Listen, in Washington, this year I've been very lucky to be surrounded by Virginia and Maryland. Is that where you live most of the time? Because I'm a Marylander with an accent. Why did you choose that area?

2:36:58I think the area chose me. I mean, it was a great school that my wife wanted to. Obviously, I moved to Washington, this year, 1993. But you have restaurants all over the place. Yeah, because Chicago, Miami. You know, between restaurants, live, books, trips, TV. The new TV show. I have an NBC with Martha Stewart, Monday nights, at 10 o 'clock after the boys. My work, my humanitarian work with Walsen -Rakitschen, you know, policy work, which I will not say I work on policy. It's only like when I feel I can become one more boys to push smart policy on behalf of all Americans. I used to try to be a boy that brings politicians of both parties closer together to move forward something like I believe makes every single American better.

2:37:58And that's how I try to divide my time, like all of us. For me coming here was like the highlight because number one, you know, is like, shit, will him by me if I ask? At the same time, it's like looks pretentious that you ask. But again, for me, you're coming here and get to know, to be with you one on one. Yeah, I was kind of in my bucket list of, I don't know, listen into you. I don't know if it's your boys, your looks, the EC conversation, with no, no, it's great. I mean, you keep asking questions and you have nothing in front of you. And I don't know how you keep, how you keep every, every single time you've been doing this forever.

2:38:49I know, but you have, you have super human brain powers. No, no. I just only have on people that I'm actually interested in talking to. That's the secret, that's the secret they see. It's very hard to talk to people you're not interested in talking to. If that was the case, if I was hired by some network, I would have to have notes. I'd have to ask you about some shit that I don't give a fuck about. I'd have to talk to you about some nonsense that you're doing that I don't care about. And I have to feign interest. But, and it wouldn't be successful. The only reason this podcast works is genuine curiosity and an interest in the way people view the world.

2:39:25And I think we got that out of you today. We all got a very beautiful view into the mind of a guy who really loves food and really loves people and lives life with passion. And anytime people get a chance to hear a person like you talk and see the world to your perspective, you know, it's inspirational, inspires people, it excites people.

2:39:53But that's all the people out there, you know. Yeah. In the last 15 years, especially in the last seven, eight after Maria, you know, I've been very much in every single hurricane and every single big earthquake, big tornado, big, you go on feet people. Obviously I've been in Ukraine. I was there, what, almost 160, 170 days. In the first year I was there, like what, 90 days? It was something like that in my life. I crossed into Ukraine within, I was in Poland within 24 hours. And I was in Ukraine within a week. I arrived here when I was still in the Russian troops were in the north of the city, Bucha Irpin.

2:40:51I remember with Walsh and Drakitschen, we were the first in a year used to arrive to Bucha, I've been feeding people. We never stopped. We reached half a million miles a day in Ukraine. Wow. Very quickly, 500 restaurants. That all the money we had from the nations, from people in America that they cannot be more given than people in Europe. We channeled that money through supporting the local restaurants. If they are available, well, I'm not going to open my own kitchen. The same dollar that is going to help feed the refugees or the displaced people is the same dollar that can help maintain the local economy.

2:41:32I mean, Florey, nobody is in reach. But the restaurants want to help. The people want to help. That's what people know and understand in the Mariencies. That everybody wants to be part of the solution. Or Walsh and Drakitschen does is that allows everybody to be part of the solution. In Asheville, there was no Walsh and Drakitschen helping feed even both other organizations, feed the people of Asheville and the different parts in North Carolina. And the couple of other states that were hit by the post -effects of the hurricane. Was the people of Asheville that helped feed the people of Asheville?

2:42:15And we then got a helicopter because we wanted to be cool, or another helicopter, or another one, if we had to. The only way to arrive to the people was by helicopter. Like we did in Bahamas. We had six helicopters, two sea planes, one boat with two helipads. Why we did it? Because there was no airports. Because there was no control towers in the North. There was 16 islands. Everything was destroyed. And we had to feed 80 ,000 people. The only way to do it was that way. Asheville, North Carolina was exactly the same. The fires in California were exactly the same. How we did, for example, in California in Los Angeles?

2:43:03We are there trying to make sure the firefighters eat. Not like the system doesn't take care of the firefighters. It's in place. Some bodies, some organizations, some catering, some paper, getting paid to do it. But that's a business. In an emergency, you have to adapt. Because they're not going to let you go to the firefighters sometimes. Because it's one guy in the road that is trying to protect you from. But we have to go to them. Because those firefighters, probably, they're going to be fighting for 48 hours. No need stop, no break. You can see their eyes how tired they are and they still they keep going.

2:43:52And if they have a break, you have to be near them. To make sure that in that moment they are able to be fed. For they need, for they won. And that's what Walsh and Dr. Gichendas, but at the same time the people are keeping the fires. And the people are arriving to the shelters. That's sometimes in the middle of the night you get 3000 people arriving to a shelter. Because Al -Tadina was destroying, and you have to be there with them. So we got a lot of restaurants but we got a lot of food trucks too. And the food trucks was great because the same way an ambulance is there on a call to bring somebody very quickly.

2:44:31And after a heart attack and the hospital have an option to save their lives. We use food trucks like an ambulance. Or we use food trucks like a fire truck. We have them there, we have them parked. We have many already feeding firefighters and shelters and people in their neighborhoods. But we have 10 or 20 trucks. We're on weight. Why? Because every truck is full of 1000 or 2000 meals. That means that any moment, today, tomorrow, at 3 a .m. in the morning, if something happens, we can activate those food trucks within a minute. In less than one hour they can be feeding anybody anywhere. So Walsh and Dr.

2:45:12Gichendas is not really an organization. He's a very simple idea. An idea of everybody is welcome. We have the standards, we have the systems. We don't plan, we adapt. We don't sit down in a big room where everybody is using emailing. You cannot email a plate of food. You have to be with boots on the ground. That's the only emergency. Emergencies when you are next to the people that require your aid. People in those moments need us next to them. And that's what Walsh and Dr. Gichendas does. That's why we are in Ukraine. That's why we are in Gaza. We are in Israel as we speak, feeding people because it's big fires around Jerusalem.

2:45:56We are in Lebanon. We are in Myanmar. We are in Thailand after the Big Earthquake.

2:46:07Walsh and Dr. Gichendas use a group of obviously chefs, but it's so much more than that. Sometimes we use restaurants, sometimes we use catering. Sometimes we use food trucks, sometimes we open our own kitchens. Sometimes our own food trucks. Sometimes our own bakeries, like the one we have in Gaza that unfortunately stop working yesterday because we run out of flour. The situation in Gaza is really very bad. It's almost no food left. And people are going to go hungry. And it's a very simple solution. Unfortunately, those hostages, they deserve to be released. They should be free. What happened in October 7th is something like we can never forget.

2:46:53That's why Walsh and Dr. Gichendas was there in Israel on day one, next to the Israeli chefs feeding all the people in the kibbutz. Why? Because that was the right thing to do. And they had people telling me, why are you there in Israel when they are now the ones because the people of Israel needed our help. At the same time, we were in Gaza. Why? Because the people of Gaza and Palestine needed our help. What is wrong with these two simple ideas that when people are in it, we all must be next to them. And hopefully this will be an opportunity to bring in peace and bring in longer tables. Food can never be a weapon of war by anybody.

2:47:31Ever. Obviously, what Hamas did is terrible and can never happen again. But we have also to make sure that the deeds of the very few don't end punition, the many who are innocent. And that's what's going on right now. Yeah, it's a complicated situation. Yeah, the amazing moments were when I had Israeli friends that also they, some of them even lost friends of family members in the Tabras and the Tak. That because they, some of them even had two passports that they say, we love to go to help the people of Gaza to feed themselves. It's like, it's no way we're going to be bringing you in there. And I had Palestinian woman that said, you know, we feel for those people.

2:48:27I wish I was giving the permission to go there to show them that we don't hate them. But sometimes what you'll read is only that it's hate. People that hate each other. Maybe those are the few. The vast majority of the people are not hateful. The vast majority of the people won't be. The vast majority of the people don't want you to be. All over the world. That's what I see in emergencies. Even in the worst moments, like worst zones. I remember in Ukraine, it is older woman in the North, in Karkeev, in Chernihiv, a woman, all that didn't speak Ukrainian, speak Russian. And she was like, they are our brothers.

2:49:11Why are they killing us? They are our brothers. Why are Russian brothers our bombing us? When a other person tells you that with that simple sincerity, you know, speaking from the heart, why are they attacking us? Why Russia is attacking Ukraine? It doesn't make any sense. At all. Ukraine is a beautiful country, beautiful people. They've been under attack and necessary, and this war is lasting too long. I wish that peace will be rich in the right terms for Ukraine. And that hopefully also will be as his fire in Gaza. The hostages will be released immediately. And hopefully there can be a certain beginning, the rebuild of Gaza.

2:50:06And giving the people of Palestine the future they deserve. In peace and prosperity, equally as what the people of Israel deserve, living in peace and prosperity, without being afraid of utter risk attack every other day of their lives. What is good for Israel must be good for Palestine too, and vice versa. And that's something like I believe everybody agrees on. Yes. What I want for you, I want for me. Yes. And I'm saying this. It seems so simple. With my hand in my heart. Yes. And I do believe that that's the best majority of the people you. I think you're right. We need to make sure that that is also what our leaders do.

2:50:51To bring the best angels in all of us. Not to bring our worst demons. We need to be asking our leadership. Putting aside parties, political parties, to bring the best in all of us. Bring us together. Build longer tables. Don't break us apart. Don't break us apart. Here, here. Let's wrap it up with that. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you very much. You're a beautiful person. You really are. I love you, Joe. Thank you for having me. How is it real pleasure? Until next time. Until next time. Until again, I can't wait to go to the next restaurant. Love you too. Bye, everybody.

2:51:47Thank you. For Ukraine. And that hopefully, also, it will be as it's fire in Gaza. The hostages will be released immediately. And hopefully, there can be a certain beginning, the rebuild of Gaza. And giving the people of Palestine, the future they deserve. In peace and prosperity, equally as what the people of Israel deserve. Living in peace and prosperity. Without being afraid of utter risk attack every other day of their lives. What is good for Israel must be good for Palestine too, on the vice versa. And that's something like, I believe, everybody agrees on. Yes. What I want for you, I want for me.

2:52:30Yes. And I'm saying this... It seems so simple. With my hand in my heart. Yes. And I do believe that that's the best majority of the people, Joe. I think you're right. We need to make sure that that is also what our leaders do. To bring the best angels in all of us. Not to bring our boards demons. We need to be asking our leadership. Putting aside parties, political parties, to bring the best in all of us. Bring us together. Build longer tables. Don't break us apart. Don't break us apart. Here, here. Let's wrap it up with that. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you very much. You're a beautiful person.

2:53:16You really are. I love you, Joe. I love you too. I love you too. I love you too. You're a real pleasure. Until next time. Until next time. So again, I can't wait to go to the next restaurant. Love you too. Bye, everybody.

2:53:40Bye.