#2320 - Tom Segura - The Joe Rogan Experience: Summary & Transcript

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Podcast Summary: The Joe Rogan Experience - Episode #2320 with Tom Segura

Episode Overview In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, host Joe Rogan welcomes comedian Tom Segura. The conversation delves into Segura's latest projects, his experiences in stand-up comedy, the entertainment industry, and various humorous anecdotes. Segura shares insights into his creative processes and discusses the evolving landscape of comedy and media.

Key Points and Discussions

Tom Segura's Creative Journey

Netflix Series - "Bad Thoughts":
Segura discusses his new Netflix comedy series, explaining that he initially created several short films which led to the formation of the series.
The series is described as featuring absurd and ridiculous humor, showcasing his unique comedic style.
Segura reflects on the joy and energy he felt while working on the series, emphasizing the importance of pursuing one's original dreams.

Shift from Stand-Up to Filmmaking:
Segura reveals that he originally moved to Los Angeles with aspirations to work in movies, never imagining he would fall in love with stand-up comedy.
He discusses how his success in stand-up inadvertently opened doors for film and television opportunities.

Comedy and Its Challenges

The Nature of Comedy:
Segura and Rogan discuss the current landscape of comedy, particularly the fear of offending audiences and the challenges comedians face in expressing themselves authentically.
They touch on how different genres of media handle sensitive topics differently, with comedy often seen as riskier.

The Evolution of Comedy:
The duo reflects on how comedy has changed over the years, with Segura mentioning the resurgence of offensive humor in certain shows, contrasting it with the fear of backlash prevalent in mainstream media.

Observations on the Entertainment Industry

Challenges of Comedy Films:
Segura expresses frustration over the lack of support for genuinely funny comedy materials in Hollywood, emphasizing how studios often miss the mark on what makes a good comedy.
He notes the financial risks studios take with comedies, leading to hesitation in backing creative projects.

Current Projects:
Segura hints at an upcoming film project but remains tight-lipped about details, suggesting that it will be a wild R-rated comedy.

Personal Anecdotes and Humor

Family Dynamics:
Segura shares a humorous story about discussing his Netflix series with his mother, highlighting their banter and her reactions to his content.
He recounts funny interactions with his children, showcasing the lighter side of parenting.

Athleticism and Risks:
Segura and Rogan joke about athletic challenges and the risks involved in sports, particularly in combat sports like boxing and MMA.
They discuss how the physical toll these sports take often outweighs the glory of winning.

Broader Reflections on Society

The Nature of Success and Failure:
They reflect on the pressures athletes face to succeed and how public perception can change rapidly, particularly when they experience losses.
The conversation dives into the psychology of winners and losers, and the struggle of maintaining identity amidst changing circumstances.

Cultural Commentary:
Rogan and Segura touch on various societal issues, including the implications of social media on public discourse and how people navigate their beliefs within a polarized society.

Conclusion Tom Segura's appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience provides a rich blend of humor, insight, and personal stories. The conversation highlights Segura's journey in comedy, the challenges of the entertainment industry, and broader societal reflections, all wrapped in their signature comedic style. The episode is a testament to the evolving nature of comedy and the importance of staying true to one's creative vision.

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0:03The Joe Rogan Experience Join my day Joe Rogan Park, cast my night all day!

0:13What's wrong with you? How? First of all, how did Netflix let you make this show? Well, they wouldn't have let me make it if I just pitched it to you. What did you do? I made a few and showed it to them. Oh my god. I knew that if we... You can't give anybody the script. No. The script won't work. The script won't work. I mean, that's just... That's the thing is like... It's very funny. It's very fun. Thanks, man. It's... So ridiculous. It's pretty ridiculous. You know, as a few years ago that I made the initial one, I was on that crazy tour, that real crazy tour, or it was like, you know, if I can 10 shows a week, and I had a break coming up.

1:03And so, I've always like movies, like features, right? But it's a lot... It's a huge undertaking to get a feature made, but I liked short films, because it feels like you're making a movie, you know, like a mini movie, right? Right. And it feels much more accessible to do. So I had written all these like short stories, short films, and I called my friend, Rami Hosh, and I was like, hey, I have a break coming up on tour. Let's shoot a short film, because we'd done other things before. And when I sent him... I sent him like 10 different scripts. He was like, what if we did three of these? I was like, how can we do three of them?

1:39He's like, we'll shoot like 11 days in a row. We can do three of these stories. And even then, I wasn't thinking of like having a television series. I was just like, oh, it'll be fun to make these stories, you know? And so after we shot those three, it was clear that we had like the bones of a show. Like, what if we did a show that was based on short stories, like short films, basically? And I don't know. There was another view that were in the original. And when I sent them in to Netflix, they're like, this is fucking insane, but we'll make six episodes of this. And yeah, they were just like, this is crazy.

2:25But it's been the most fun I've ever had, dude. Really? Yeah, yeah. Because you know what I was thinking about it, like on my way in here today, I was like, sometimes you have to remind yourself like of what your dream, like your original dream, you know? And my dream, when I moved to LA, had nothing to do with stand -up. I never thought to stand -up. Not to say that I don't love doing stand -up today. I'm in love with stand -up. But I moved to LA because I was like, oh, I want to do movies. Like, that was my whole thing. I want to do comedy movies. And I had like my own blueprint for how I would do it.

3:03I was like, I'll go to the groundlings. SNL will definitely hire me from there. Like, this is my 21 -year -old brain. And then I'll do that for a couple years, and then I'll do movies. Like, I thought that was a logical game plan to end up in movies. And it just, you know, I did do the groundlings for a while at the school. But when I was supposed to do writing lab, which was like one of their levels, I had started stand -up, and I was just like, oh, this path is just better for me. Like, I was getting traction. Not like my career wasn't moving, but I'm saying like, I could feel how much I loved it.

3:40And I was starting to get like 50 bucks here and there. And I was like, oh, it's not doing the writing lab thing. It's staying in the stand -up path. You know what? That's kind of like interesting. But the dream of like, of doing something like movies, which is like, this feels like to me like they sent me to film school and they were like, make your fucked up movies. That's what it felt like. That's been like, I was, you know, I was working like 16 -hour days doing this thing. And I would come home and Christina would be like, I have never seen you so energized after working all goddamn days.

4:11She's like, you come home in the best mood. I was like, yeah, because I'm having fun. Like I'm having so much fun doing this, you know. All that shows you're doing the right thing. I think so. I mean, it was like, that is so uniquely you. It is, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's our fucking text thread. Pretty much is. There are some in here that I can't wait for you to see. Like, there are some in here that I literally cannot wait for you. She, this morning, she goes, why is it called bad thoughts? There should be called cock thoughts. She's like, I swear there's dicks in like every other one.

4:43I'm like, yeah, she's like dicks and violins. That's your your wheelhouse. We need more of this in the world. Yeah, we really do. You know that show, the religious show on Max. Like, why am I not remembering it? Righteous gemstones. Oh, yeah. Fucking a. Yeah, man, dude. Dan McBride. Yeah. He's fucking fantastic. Yeah, he's fantastic. But the whole cast is, yeah. The fucking show is so good. It's so funny. Goggins, Adam Devine, John Goodman. Oh, yeah. Everyone's amazing. They're all fantastic. But it's also so ridiculous. Yeah. It's like, thank God. It seems like for a while people were getting scared of making anything offensive.

5:30I know. And it also feels like so many studios, networks, platforms, whatever you want to call it, are like so distanced from comedy. Like, it's like comedy is like too dangerous. It's very like, well, it's weird as you can get away with so much in a drama. In a drama, you could have violence and theft and car accidents. Yeah. You fucking kill people and rape people and steal all their money. And that's okay for some reason. Yeah. But like, there's something about doing comedy that's offensive or even potentially offensive. Yeah, the other thing is that there's the offensive angle. I also think that they really shit the bed on literally backing, truly funny material.

6:18Like the comp, so many studio comedies that are released. The, the critics people are like, why didn't this work? Because it's not good. It wasn't funny. Right. It's not a funny comedy. But don't you think part of that is because they can't take any real chance? Yeah. There's, I think a studio is always, you know, like if you strip everything down, it's somebody that has to have some risk in their job. They're playing with millions of dollars and saying like, this, this will make us money. Right. And so yeah, they, they start to get more apprehensive about it. The other thing is that the cost of some of these comedies, when comedies were really thriving last, which was I think like more than 20 years ago, some of these comedies started to cost like 30 million plus to do a comedy.

7:03Yeah. And that because sometimes you had like huge stars and huge set pieces and you'd have these popular budgets. Like real, and now some of them like, Tropic Thunder, I think did probably pretty well at the bottom of the show. But a lot of them would not. And so it started to be like, hey, you know what, we can make this, this starts, that's why you see the explosion of certain genres, right? Like horror really has had a huge uptick, the last decade plus. Because people can produce them for five million. But they don't realize that you can produce great comedies for five million also. You can, but you have to like prioritize the material first.

7:40It's got to be a great script. And they got to be willing to back it. You know, and I feel like they just haven't taken those shots yet. What's kind of a tremendous opportunity, right? Because the fact that these big studios and these big stars are not doing those kind of films. Exactly. And like the doors wide open because the demand has never gone away. No, people want it. They want to laugh. Always. I'm doing one this summer. Yeah. I'm doing a movie this summer. What are you doing? It's a crazy fucking comedy. It hasn't been announced yet. So, you know how they are about that. But it's a, it's a wild R -rated comedy.

8:15Well, tell me about it afterwards. Okay. Yeah. Hi, everybody else. Yeah, no, I can't. I would love to talk about it. But I think we're, we're doing kind of like what you're saying, which is like we're going to go all in on trying to. And to make this really funny movie. And I mean, I couldn't be more excited about it. And I think it's, it's like it takes, you realize when you're, you know, you read it and you go, this is it. We kind of do, you know, some punch ups on the script. And then you just try to surround yourself with amazing comedic talent. Like great actors. And just have fun. Yeah. I think that's like.

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11:25You know, not like, I mean, the other thing is like, dude, every time I'm out on the road, you know, I'd get a call. Hey, they want to see you for this part or you got an offer to shoot this show or this. Like, here's the offer. And I'm like, yeah, I'm on tour. Like I can't move the fucking United Center, you know, they don't care. They don't care. They just want that piece. And I'm like, dude, I don't get a piece that United. I know. Like I can't move all that shit. But that's also, I realize that after years of that, it's like, well, if I'm always touring, I'm just never going to be able to do other people stuff.

12:03Yeah. And so it also kind of, I got excited about, you know, having the summer off and I could do something. And then my tour, the current tour I'm on, will end in December and I'm leaving 26 wide open. Really? Yeah. I mean, film stuff. I'm going to, yeah, film some stuff. And then I'll still do like what I do, which is like, go into your club or book some club weekends, which are kind of like low, you know, stress kind of things where you go. Right. I'm just going to go work out. So I'll try to keep the muscle fresh, but I won't book like a tour. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's good to take breaks.

12:39It is right. I took a big sort of a break, but just been doing a club. How's it? Since I did my live special. Yeah. It's a very nice. It's not, it's great having no pressure. So like I just talk about what I want to talk about and I write about what I want to write about. Yeah. Instead of going, I got a bud and hour together because I have a tour in three months. Right. Like I have to make sure this hour's tight. I have to. You just kind of take your time with it. And I think there's, there's something to be said for taking breaks with standup in particular because like you don't want to just have tools that you use to do a job.

13:17Right. You want to actually like you have to kind of figure out what am I investing all my time in these subject matters. Yeah. What am I, what am I, what is like what's interesting to me? And how much time is that going to take to figure out what the perspective is where I could just say it on stage? Yeah. Because I feel like with a lot of comics, there's a thing happens where you get kind of like locked into a set. And then you abandon that set and there's just mad scramble to come up with a new set. Yes. And a lot of times when you're doing that new set, it's not, you're not invested in it.

13:55It's just, you know, you can make it effective. Right. You know what I mean? It kind of feels like filler. Yeah. Yeah. I know exactly what you mean. And the audience feels that too. I think they definitely do. They do. Because I feel it as an audience member. I know when someone's doing that and I go, this is not, I'm not connecting with this at all. Right. But if it's something that you can tell the person wants to talk about, it resonates. It's actually interesting. That's the thing. It's like, you know, as I've gotten older, I've thought, thought much more about stand up. And I, there's a lot of stand up is kind of like unspoken.

14:31I think a lot of it is hypnosis. Really? Yeah. There's a weird thing going on. And I get it from great comedians. Like, when I was a kid, there was this guy named Frank Santos, the R -rated hypnotist. And he would go on stage and make people do stuff. And you're having sexual meds on it. It was really weird. There was a flow to the, his confidence or something about him. And he was also an actual hypnotized hypnotized hypnotized people to quit smoking. And there was something that he was doing where I was like, what is he doing? Like, what is this connection? Where it's just so funny. Like, how is he getting into these people's heads?

15:12Like, what is hypnosis? And then I see like a guy like a tell on stage when he's killing. And I recognize something in, I'm like, he's hypnotizing us. There's something that he's doing this effortless, effortless confidence and connection to what he's talking about. And great material also. So you give him the brains. You're like, oh, this material is so good. You'll be the brains. Take my brain. Take my brain. Take my brain. And the rhythm of the cadence too. Yeah. Because he has a very particular cadence. And you know, if you hang out with him or work with him, like I did a few times, you start doing the cadence.

15:49A lot of people do. So I do in the cadence. And I did that. I did that in like, oh, five, oh, six. And I was like, he was on his show and his outlet's first killer album came out, Skanks for the Memories. Yeah. I mean, I feel like I would be talking to you like this. I get all the way to the big house. Everybody doing it. Like I would just start doing it. Because it's such like a hypnotic type of cadence. Yeah. But Trisso, he says that about like having babies. Like that's his babies. Like David Hall is a bunch of babies. Yeah. That's like a bunch of people that gave, he gave birth to there. 100%.

16:23Yeah. Yeah. It's super normal. A lot of people have that. But it's interesting how that stuff works. That, that, that, that, that there's a thing that's going on, which is why live stand up is so much better than stand up on television. Dude, I also have this thing recently. Because I'm on tour right now. I realized that like, man, it's funny how I could be, I could be like tired. And being tired, I go on stage in a different mindset. And all of a sudden I'm like, wow, that was a way better set. Like I had the right amount of tired. Not tired where I can't think. But more relaxed. More, yeah. And then, and then I get off and like my whole tour crew was like, that was a fucking amazing show.

17:09And I'm like, yeah, I feel like I was too tired to be like self conscious or something. You know what I mean? Right, right. Like, like some, some of myself an awareness went away, but like the right degree of it went away. Yeah. And then the show just fell. And then you locked in with them. Yeah. I also like to tell myself sometimes, if I remember, that I'm best on stage, if I'm going on stage in a silly mindset, if I'm goofing off backstage, fucking around, you know, making fun of somebody that's like in my crew or something. I don't know, you know, like dancing in the green room, like just silly.

17:47That mindset walking up on stage is like the best one to go on stage with. That's why I still love working with Joey so much. Yeah. Because two things, one, Joey would make me laugh like while he was on stage. I'd be waiting to go on stage instead of thinking about my material and going over everything with fine tooth comb, I'd just be laughing. And then I go on stage laughing. And that's the thing is that's an unspoken thing that the audience goes like, there's joy coming from this person. Yes. You know, they feel the joy. Yeah, they really do. Because like there's nothing grosser than fake laughs.

18:21Yeah. When a comedian does the fake laugh thing, it's fucking gross. Yeah. It's just like when you know, they've said that's fucking same joke the same way. Yeah. Every night with the same laugh. Yeah. Like, you trick in me. You trick in me, yeah. You trick in me. You're a hooker. It's so manufactured, you know, it's so calculated. Which is fine. I mean, whatever, do whatever you want. But it's like there's a thing that comes with that. It's like, okay. And I'm never going to be fully locked in, but maybe I can just appreciate this for, you know. I'm like, I'm watching a sitcom. Yeah. You know what I mean?

18:57And then there's also nothing as fun, as genuine laughter on, like if something really makes you laugh while you're doing a set, that's the most fun. Oh, for sure. And that becomes contagious. That's why the bits work so good when you first start doing them. And then sometimes they die off because you're tired of it and you're not laughing anymore. Yeah. Whereas like there's certain things like at a subject when you first start talking about it, you're like, what the fuck is going on? How is this a real thing? It's so funny, because we were just talking about how there's certain bits where you, it kills, like it kills, right?

19:39And then over the next few months, it dies. It dies slowly. Yeah. And you're trying to do the math. You're like, wait, am I staying at different? Am I like, as you go listen, did I miss a beat or something? Did I miss a connective tissue? What's going on? And it's just like, by the end, you're like, no, it's fully dead. It has died. I don't know what happened. You just gotta be able to accept that they're dead. Yeah. That's such a funny thing though that happens. I have a bunch of bits I call orphans. We have a file of orphans. Oh, like they're all bits that just never made it onto a special. Yeah.

20:10If someone comes up to me like every now and then, one of my friends comes up to me like, do you do that fucking, does that on anything? I'm like, that one's just an orphan. It's an orphan. It's just floating around. It doesn't fit with anything. It's all so fucked up. And sometimes you like, you ever try to bring those back? I brought some back that didn't make it. And sometimes they get new life. Yeah. And sometimes you're like, oh, there's a reason why I didn't carry this one. You know when they pop up is bottom of the barrel. Oh, yeah. Bottom of the barrel. It's the best show. It's the bottom of the barrel every now and then I'll pull something out of it, actually.

20:42Yeah. I'm fucking ancient bid on this. If I can kind of remember it. That's the other thing is your memory starts to, on the old stuff. My memory's gone on my last special. It's gone. That's the best thing that can happen. Oh, yeah, it's gone. I get called out to, you know, do this bit and I go, I honestly don't remember how it goes. I'll start it and then I'll forget. Right. You want to do it? Yeah. And then they'll know it. They'll know it better than you. Yeah. Sometimes that's good. That would be funny if they did it. They acted it out. Pretty fun. Yeah, the certain bits, like they just leave your mind.

21:14It's like, I'm done with this. But did you, did you like any of the acting stuff? Because I know you don't have any interest in doing it anymore, but did you enjoy it? Yeah. Yeah, news radio was really fun. That was fun. Yeah, it was fun. I, I didn't mind doing it. It's just I didn't like it as much and I didn't like the time commitment that these, these, I mean, I don't sound like I'm complaining. Oh, it's acting so hard. But it's like you're working these long ass days. Yeah. And as a person who likes to do a lot of different things, that becomes a problem. And you were on a multi -cam. Exactly.

21:47Imagine if you were on a single cam. Way harder. That would have been. Single cams are crazy. I had friends that are on single cams. I was like, oh my god, how are you doing this? They were working six days a week and they would work in like 12, 15 hours a day. Yeah. Like this is so crazy. Like I like to do a bunch of stuff, man. I like to do ginger. I know. I like to play pool. Are you rolling again? No. No. I'm still injured. Yeah. I'm still dealing with some small, it's a lot better now, lower back issue and a little bit of a knee issue, but that's pretty good too. Did I say yeah right? My little guy quit jujitsu.

22:20Why? Why do you quit? The funniest thing. They both go. Both my boys go. And we take them in and my youngest is like, this is my last one. He's six. And I go, it's your last one. He goes, dude, my schedule is crazy. I go, what? He's sick of being a dad. Yeah. He's talking like me. And he goes, I have a full plate. And I go, you have a full plate. He goes, I go kindergarten, I got Spanish, I do drums. I don't have time for this. That's hilarious. And then he told the instructor. He told the guy in charge. I was like, tell him. He goes, I won't be coming back. I have a very full schedule. And so that guy kind of like smiled and he goes, well, what do you have?

23:00He goes, I told you kindergarten drums, Spanish. I don't have time to do everything. He's six. And I go, yeah, is this the one who calls you Tom? Well, they both did for a while. But yeah. So he goes, but the instructor was great. He goes, okay, okay, he goes, well, in life, you have to be strong, right? And Mike, he goes, yeah, he goes, it's not an option. And he goes, yeah, he goes, so if you have to be strong, then you have to do this. And Mike has like, yeah, he goes, the instructor goes, so I'll see you Thursday. And he sticks out his fists and Mike, he goes, I told you, I'm too busy. I told him to be here.

23:45And so he hasn't gone. But this is a thing about kids. He hasn't gone now in like a month. And then now he's like, hey, I want to go back to Jetsu. I'm like, of course. Of course. And also his older brother is doing very well. Ah, that's a problem. He got a new belt, you know? And his older brother's like, fucking him up and talking mad shit all day. Takes his shirt off every day and he goes, I'm going to be so fucking jacked. So he's like, I got shit. I got to get back in there. That's hilarious. Yeah, you got to hedge your time. Like you have to figure out like, what do you want to do? You are the most insane in my book for a person who does the most.

24:32You're the most different things because you are your highly proficient at archery, jujitsu, shoot and pull, fitness, this shit stand like. That's a lot of different things to be like very good at. Do I have to pick my spots? Yeah. You know, because I'm a obsessive person. Right. So like, I have to like, that's why I don't fuck with golf. That's why I don't fucking go. But get you dude. Video games will get me. I stayed away from video games for 20 years about about 20 years and we got a console. Uh oh. Well, here's the thing. I actually found that I am busy enough where I in my brain, I can go, yeah, I can't, I can't.

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25:11I can do 20 minutes on certain days and get like a little dopamine kick from it. I have fun. But most of the time I walk by and I go, I want to, I got my out of time. My problem is if I put that 20 minutes in, I'll be up, don't fave in the morning. Yeah. I don't need sleep. I just won't work out tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll just show up half in the bag. I'll eat a lot of crayon teens. And I'll be okay. So my brain works. Yeah. You know, to do that. Yeah, I started doing it every day. Yeah. But that's a really big one for sleep deprivation. Really? Yeah, there was some sort of study where they showed that it completely, uh, demand issues, the effects of sleep deprivation.

25:47If you take, I think it's 20 grams, I think 20 grams of creatine, something crazy like that. I've been doing that. I have a whole new sleep protocol I'm doing. Oh, sleep protocol. I'm saying a bunch of peptides in the shed. Yeah. I just ordered an orang track my sleep. That's good. Do you have, do you have to try that pineal? No, I haven't. I heard about it. You were telling me it really ramped up your REM sleep. Fucking awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Anything for more sleep I'm into, man. Tell you what really affects sleep. No drinking. That really affects my sleep a lot. Oh, really? Oh, yeah.

26:18Yeah. You don't drink in a lot. Not like burnt levels. But last time I was sober, I was with him. It was a great table. It was like Taylor Sheridan, his wife, my wife is there, Bert and his wife, David Goggins and his wife. Oh, wow. And then a bunch of my professional pool player friends. That's a fun table. Oh, it was fucking phenomenal. We had so much fun. We all had dinner together after the UFC fight. And Bert is just the rowing back martini. And I was like, oh, I definitely made the right choice. Yeah. I definitely made the right choice. Like I'm watching him. He's slowly turning into a human grape in front of my eyes.

26:58He's fucking red in his face. He was hilarious. He was. I'll tell you that. At the table, we were having a lot of laughs. Yeah. But I was like, this. He can knock him down, dude. He can really knock him down. Bro, he found out we were leaving. So in order to more to down on the way out the door, he just downed to more to his old door, like just down these martinis and the way out the door. Like this is fucking preposterous. It's preposterous. And then I talked to him and he goes, I got all my blood work done. Perfect. Everything is perfect. I know. So how's that possible? He always says that. And I saw somebody comment the other day.

27:33And our podcast, they go, the documentary about Bert's doctor. Who says blood work is perfect? It's going to be unbelievable. It's a complete challenge. It's gotta be. It's gotta be. Dirty lab coat with a fucking mouse in his pocket. It's crazy. He's just a complete lunatic. It's like, you're great. Oh my God. That's so funny. That's so funny. Yeah, he lots of, we got dinner and he was like, one, one, he went to wine. And I was like, I'm good. And he's like, we'll do a bottle of wine for the 10. Nobody had wine. So he just dumps the bottle. And his glass. And he can drink it in like five minutes.

28:13Yeah. It's crazy. It's bizarre. Well, it's obvious. Like, it's gotta be an adaptive thing, right? Like, running is. Like, yeah. If you run, never, you can't run a marathon. Right. But if you run a lot, you can run a marathon. Sure. You get it used to it. Your body gets accustomed to putting in the miles five before work every day. You know, we always talk about that freak show. Oh, shit, he has in him. Like, he's freaky. Yeah, he's freaky. We did the 5K in Tampa. We had like 8 ,000 people come out this year. That's amazing. And so many people that are like, you know, making... Look at that. Yeah.

28:52Making leap. So how good is Jelly Roll look? Dude, do you know what he's down? 200 pounds. Yeah. And from last year, 130. That's amazing. And he's like, I want to lose another 100. That's insane. So what's he at now? He's at 340. So he wants to get down to 240. Wow. He wants to get to 240. He's a big guy. For him, 240 is probably right. Yeah, it's probably... And by the way, we were talking before he got there. The 5K had... It was in Raymond James Stadium, where the Bucks play. So I was like, well, how are we mapping out 3 .1? Well, the only way to do that in a venue of this size is you had to like use every, you know, square inch of the place.

29:31So they had us go up the ramp. Like, if you're going to go up to the top, there's a ramp that goes up. It's nine stories up. All incline. And then you go across, then you go down, then you go up again. Oh, a lot of incline. Like half a mile plus of incline, right? Oh, so before Joey gets here, I'm like, I don't know if he can do this, man. You know what I mean? Like, he's a big guy still. Knees, cardio, all this shit. Dude, he fucking smashed it. That's incredible. He did great. Did he hire a trainer? Like, how is it? What is he doing? Think some people in his phone. He got rid of his phone. I know.

30:04He has like a flip phone that like doesn't even... I don't know if you can get texts on it. So he just chucked his phone out. Apparently, like all the years of drinking, he just gave his phone number out to so many people. And then he just decided instead of getting a new number, which is what you should do. He's like, I'm just no phone. That's fucking awesome, by the way. It's crazy. I love... Like, I used to panic when I left my phone behind. Now when I forget my phone, I'm like, oh, this can be a great day. I left my phone. I'll get it later. Like, I feel fine. It's a great feeling. Yeah. Yeah, we're all prisoners.

30:36We are totally prisoners. We're prisoners and it's gonna get worse. Oh, this is the thing I wanted to tell you. So, some of the Bucks players came out. The offensive lineman. These are absolute beasts. Six, five, six, six, three, thirty. Like, just... Giants. Giants, they're gorillas. And we're doing all this silly competition stuff. Like, we hit the golf simulator, throw a fucking spear into like a baila hay. And then they're like, oh, we need one more thing. So we have a beer -stein holding contest. So it says... Oh, poor one, that. Yeah, he beat the fucking All Pro. He's been whole... That's like...

31:19Come on, man. But look at these. Doesn't make sense? It does make sense. But you still go like... The skinny guys can throw a baseball a lot faster than these dudes. It's just crazy to me, though. Like, not to me. The upper bodies on these dudes. I'm like, no. These guys... Yeah, he's gonna win. He's used to holding beers. Yeah. He's used to holding drinks. I couldn't do it. I tapped out. Like, my arm just gave out. And then... Look at him. He's still smiling. Yeah, yeah. Nothing wrong. That's insane. Yeah. And then... Yeah, they slowly fell... I bet if he did his left arm, he would fall off. I bet he literally wouldn't be able...

31:54He's been holding up drinks so long. Also, like toasting crowds for so long. Look at this. Yeah. He beat everybody. He should hold out and just humiliate them after he's done. Just keep going. Oh, he held it up after he was done. That big guy looks like he's ready to... ...were a break. He gave up. Yeah, he just... Look at Bert. Didn't even... Look at this. Yeah. Just insane. He's like got incredible genetics. Like, if you wanted to be an athlete, he'd be an incredible athlete. Yeah, I think so. If he was like super dedicated to it. Yeah, he's just trapped and boozed. But it was also made a very rich...

32:30Yeah, I don't know what to say. Yeah. Working out. I love him. Yeah. I don't want him to change, but I do. I mean, I want him to be healthy. But like, when we first started doing sober October, it was essentially just because we were worried Bert was going to die. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Well, he's still here. I mean, the first one was the weight loss thing. Blood works perfect. Yeah. Yeah, it's nuts. What type of resistance is that? I don't know. I think it's like 100 and something. 100 and something? Yeah. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm obsessed with, you know, that squeeze machine. Yeah. You know the thing?

33:03Oh, yeah. It measures your grip. Yeah. I got 161 and I want to get 190. Oh, so you're training for it? Yeah. You have one here? No. I think we do. Yeah, we do out there. Yeah. Out in the hallway. But we do it at the club. And so when the club, when I first did it, I think I got 147. I was like, well, this is bullshit. Yeah. And then I got it. And then I got up to 161 without these things. I bet just from working out a lot. I bet David has the crazy grip strength. Which David? Lucas. Oh, yeah. It's because of the big hands. Big hands. Jamar has one. Jamar neighbors, I think he got 167. Damn. Jamar's strong.

33:42That's crazy. You see him with a sure off. Yeah, he's checked. Yeah, he's checked. But, you know, we've had some like big dudes coming there and doing it. I don't know who's got like the record on that thing. Records got to be the UFC. How do a bunch of guys do it? I forget who had the highest. But I think I think Alex Pereira was like 180. He was up in the like he's a big fuck. I didn't realize how big he I didn't realize because you know TV is so deceptive. Oh, yeah. And then I saw somebody I know standing next to him when I was like holy shit. Wiz Olivera 97. Oh, that's crazy. He didn't even try.

34:20All the rules of doing my left hand. Michael Chandler. 113. What? He's right hand. No, he's doing his right hand. Are you doing your opposite hand? Because Paul Craig I think is a left hand. 126. Bo Nichol. He's a lefty too. So they're doing their opposite hand. They're doing opposite hand. What's his? 153. Why I'm in strongest fuck. Let me see what he's got. 153. Steepace huge. What's he got? He's a left hand or two. Yeah. Farman's strength. He's a big fucking dude though. 131. Wow, that's crazy. Other hand. Another hand. Oh, Jesus Christ. Second attempt. 155. All right. So Craig, I'm stronger than all those bitches.

35:10There you go. Fuck yeah. But I'm trying to get to 190. 190 is crazy. I think this is like 115 or something like that. I'll forget what it is. Some of those are fucking hold it. Those arm wrestling guys. Oh, yeah. They have freaky forearms. Oh, yeah. I was watching this one guy who's a climber. Who's a professional climber. Oh, when they do that. Yeah, he has this basement gym. I might have saved the video. But I think if you find it on YouTube, it's like, I've never seen strength like this. This guy has calves growing off of his forearm bone. It's like a calf. Yeah. And he's doing one finger change.

35:51I've seen it. I don't understand it. With like a centimeter of hold. Like it's the the the the the the tiniest little lip that his fingers resting on. And he's pulling his whole body up. That's guy, but I mean, he's doing the same thing. Yeah, but look at that. That's crazy. It's not this guy. The other guy is like super jacked. His his forearms are at least. He's not like bodybuilder size, but the musculature is crazy. I saw one of those guys who I guess is in the rock climbing mountain climbing world. He's considered one of the best. Yeah, that's the guy. So this guy does a bunch of freaky shit.

36:27What does this do to James? Yeah, look at the fucking look at that one arm thing. See that the size of the grip. Yeah, look how fat that grip is. Like doing a one arm chin up is crazy. Look at his back. It's crazy. But doing a one arm. Look at the size of his fucking forearms. Yeah. Doing a one arm chin is crazy, but a one arm chin up with a fat grip like that is off the charts nuts. Like his strength must be insane. But you look at him like right there, like his neck and everything. He doesn't look like that strong of a guy. Right. It's very deceptive because with climbers, you can't have, you don't need traps.

37:05You can have like excess stuff. So everything is very, like look at his forearms. Look at his grips. But look the size of his fucking forearms when he's doing that. It's crazy. So you can isolate when they when he was doing that with his forearms. The NBA 82 game grind is done and now the real fun begins. The NBA playoffs are here and it's time for all the high stakes drama clutch moments and jaw dropping plays. I can't wait. If you're looking to make the playoffs even more exciting, draft king sportsbook has you covered as an official sports betting party. The NBA partner of the NBA from the play in games all the way through to the finals.

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39:08No, that's a different guy. That's it. Yeah, I've seen that. You see that. Yeah, I think I might be that guy. Might be. Yeah, I've seen him on YouTube. Is it? Yeah. But in he's blown away by this guy. This guy. It's like mountain climbing. If you think about it just the amount of reps that you're picking your body weight up and holding like gymnasts like who's more jack than the guys who do the rings. No, they're super jack. Look at his forums. Look at the back up a little second and just freeze it. Look at freeze it right there. Freeze it. Look at that left fucking forearm. Yeah, that's crazy.

39:41That's not there's a split in the muscle. That's a calf. Yeah, that's a calf. That's a calf. That's like a strong calf. And this is like a big endorsement for calisthenics basically, right? I mean, is that? Calisthenics are huge. Yeah, they're huge. That's a big part of my workout. Really? Oh, yeah. I do a lot of calisthenics. I do, you know, I still do the 100 pushups every day and the 100 body weight squats. But I do chin ups, dips and L pull ups. You know, like so you're like with a close grip. But the legs extended. Yeah, I do all those. They're huge. Yeah, it's, you want to be able and you know, I think a lot of do.

40:16I do hang from a bar like this where I swing my toes up and I touch the bar. So it's like really works. The core too. That's like being able to manipulate your own body weight is crucial. Yeah, because those gymnasts are like, you're like some of them like you have never touched weights. I'm just doing this shit. Which is nuts and they're have. But it's not time efficient. Yeah, because they're doing that. There are muscles like that because they're doing, you know, eight hour sessions. But you can get a lot done with your body with just dips and chin ups. Dips are incredible. Yeah. So good. I mean, that was like, I think when Arnold will talk about chest, he was like, that's, that was like the, you know, the cherry on top for workouts was doing.

41:00He's like, we always would do dips. And you can, and you can do weighted dips too. Yeah. Dips are so easy to do with weight or throw a chain over your neck or put a weight vest on or something like that. Yeah. That's another thing I found. Like just a 25 pound weight vest where it doesn't feel like anything when you're wearing it. But when you do stuff with it on, like chin ups and pubs, like holy fuck. Yeah. Giant. So different. And then when you take that thing off, you're like, oh man. Right. So imagine being 25 pounds too heavy. Yeah. And then imagine being jelly roll. So jelly rolls walking around 200 pounds too heavy before.

41:34At least. So it's actually 300 pounds, right? Right. Because he wants to lose another hundred. Yeah. So imagine just carrying around every way you go, you got a squat rack. Like a real bar stuffed with plates. And you're just carrying that through life. Yeah. That's what they're doing. That's great. That's why those guys fucking lower bodies are always crazy when they lose their life. Oh Ralph, you may used to have the biggest calves in the world. Yeah. His legs were like carrying that. Shrews shrunk. Oh my god. Yeah. Just carrying around that body all day. That's nuts. If they trim down enough, the quads are still humongous.

42:09Yeah, Bert lost weighty. We get weaker. But you do get weaker when you lose weight. Yeah. That's a fact. Yeah, that's always a mass moves mass. It's also like to lose weight, to lose body fat. Your body has to think something's wrong. Like it's very difficult to maintain mass. Like maintain muscle mass, while you're losing fat. That's hard. Yeah. That's hard. And you got to try not to lose too much weight too quick. Because a lot of people with losing weight. Like a lot of people become food addicts and addicts act like addicts. And you start thinking, I gotta lose it all to right now. And you starve yourself.

42:48Yeah, that's not the way you get it. And you just work out eight hours a day. And well, you're gonna lose all your muscle too. Everything. You're gonna lose everything. And you're probably gonna get injured. Because your body's gonna like, hate fucking idiot. Yeah. And then, like, give you that tendon, and that he does. Yeah. You're gonna have to pound that a little back bulge. And pound that a fucking sore knee. Yeah. What about planar fascia? It is. Slow the fuck down. Your body tries to figure out a way to slow you down. Yeah. Slow and steady is the way. For sure. Yeah. Yeah, it just sucks.

43:17You know, you want to get, if you've realized you fucked up, it would be nice if you could just get better quick. Like, oh, I know. I just, I got a month before summer. I'm 50 pounds overweight. Fuck. I want to lose six pack. 10 -15 right now. What do you want to do to do it? Just dial in. You know, it's really about consistency, I feel like, with me. Right? Like, my window for when I go, oh shit, is just so much smaller than it used to be. So right now, I'm like, oh. I've slid a little bit. I've been on tour. I've been doing all this shit. I just have to tour. It's hard, right? I feel like I'm working.

43:49Fuck it. Cheeseburger. Yeah. Sometimes pizza. Sometimes it's that. Sometimes it's also just that, like, you know, I get into this rhythm of the way I'm eating and training at home, which is pretty good. Yeah. And then you get out there and it's like, fuck, you know, we got on three planes and you're just tired. You just don't do it. Yep. And then yeah, you just order whatever to eat. So you just feel it, like, slowly come apart. But I feel like I'm also at a place where I know if I, if I dial in my diet and, and make sure I stay on top of, like, the training, I can shed this 10 pretty. Yeah, you've done it before.

44:26Yeah. You did it pretty well, you know, you figured it out. And then you also have muscle memory now. I think it's hard when you're traveling because, you know, you're just, anytime you're traveling, your energy level goes down. Yeah. It's like you got to figure out things to mitigate that energy level going down and then counter it intuitively. The best way to do that is to work out. Yeah, I know. Which doesn't seem like it makes any sense because you're tired. I don't want to work out. A lot of times we do the land and lift. Got to do that. Like, right, land and go. Yep, land and go. Land and go.

44:58It is crazy how I do a lot of three day, three, four day weekends, you know, for tour. Man, a lot of times on that third, fourth day, you're like, you're in your third or fourth city and you're like, fuck, I am wrecked today. Just like another plane, another time. You're taking a lot of vitamins? I think I take a pretty good amount of vitamins, yeah. Yeah, that's important, too. Yeah. Take a lot of vitamins and then it should hard to be strict with your diet when you're on the road. But the big one is alcohol. I'm lucky in that regard because I'm not a big boozer. Yeah. I don't know how burnt those are.

45:34I started eating these David bars. Oh, those are great. Those are great. Yeah, I think Peter T is involved in that, right? I don't know if you may be. Yeah. But those are delicious. They're great. Boy, they make you fart. I love farting. 28 grams of protein, 150 calories. Yeah, no sugar. They're great. Yeah. Yeah, there's a bunch of good options now that you can bring with you on the road if you get hungry, keep you from eating bullshit. From eating bullshit. That's all I'm trying to, like sometimes I go like, oh, it was great. Today was a great day. And then it's just dinner. So you just like just don't fucking ruin your day.

46:06Have you ever had a carnivore snack? Do you know what that is? No. The carnivore snack rib -i is my go -to. I bring that on the UFC broadcast. Like I give them to Daniel Cormiere and me. We eat them. It's like sliced rib -i's that are just dried, but it's got the fat on it. It's good. Yeah, you don't feel guilty at all. Like if you're hungry, you need a snack. It's just meat and salt. Perfect. Perfect snack. And the company's called carnivore? Yeah, carnivore snacks. Snacks with an X. But it's not like, it's not jerky. It's like they describe it as like meat pastry. Yeah. It's good, good snack food.

46:45I like it. Yeah, just to keep from going off the rails. That's all you're trying to do. That's like what I'm trying to do is just mitigate the damage of the day. Right. I have a whole folder on my phone saved up of food that I really can't eat. Really? Just look at restaurants. Oh. What do you miss the most when you are trying to eat healthy? I'm trying to eat healthy. I'm trying to eat healthy food. Pasta. Yeah. Pasta and crazy sandwiches. Oh my god. We went to a carbon. Oh, in New York? Yeah. They got one in Vegas now, too. I know. I think the fact I actually had the biggest one for a while.

47:15It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. That rigatoni with vodka sauce. It has a little kick. They put a little spice in it. Oh, that's good. That's so good. That's. It's tough to beat Italian food. It really is. It's tough to beat it just for pure. That pleasure of just over stuffing yourself. We were there for the last summer. It was like every day. Yeah. And the thing is I didn't like blow up. No. No. I thought I would. I mean, I'm sure I gained a few. But I thought I was like, oh, it's going to be fucking terrible. But it was, I think a big thing there versus here is portion sizes. You know, like there's no such thing as they don't go.

47:59Here's your pasta. Here's a fucking bowl. Like this. Right. It's like, it's, well, I think in Italy, the real thing is the food's different. Yeah. I think our food is poison. It's so bad, right? I mean, I saw, oh my God, I saw this lady on your show. I saw a clip talking about all these health epidemics, like the full run of stats where she was like one and two for cancer and this and that. Was it Cali means? She was a, I think she was a doctor, right? Is she a doctor? Well, I don't think she finished her doctorate or her medical school training because I think she got to the position where she realized that most metabolic diseases are being caused by food.

48:43But that's the thing is like, that's the big takeaway, I think, from that is like, you had this conversation with, you know, I had it with people all the time who travel abroad and you're just like, everything in Japan was fucking amazing. Yeah. The food. And then you look at their longevity, which is like record breaking. You know, when you compare it to most of the world, definitely compare to ours. Definitely compare to ours. Yeah, we have the worst health stats in the Western world. Well, it's our food because it's all like, because corporations, corporations profit off keeping you fat and sick.

49:17So the best way to make money from food is to get you addicted to food that they can sell you. So they sell you a tremendous amount of cheap, shitty food that has a bunch of preservatives and garbage in it. So it's, you know, potato chips and all sorts of different snacks and all sorts of different things. And then you have your enriched air quotes, flour, it's got a bunch of shit poured into it and it's a bunch of complex gluten in the grains. And then you have glyphosate, which other countries have banned, but we use everywhere. 90 plus percent of people have glyphosate in their blood and they test it, which is round up that chemical pesticide and herb.

49:58We have herbicides that kill your fucking endocrine system. We have, like, we're poisoning ourselves. It's really sad. We're, you know, we're growing stuff at home now. We have 100 -pound of garden garden. Yeah, I talked to Christina about it. It's pretty dope. And that's just delicious. Yeah. That's the way it goes. The lettuce and the tomatoes and it gets all kinds of like veggies. Tastes like real food. Yeah. You do taste the difference. 100 percent. Yeah. Which reminds me of when you're abroad, right? Yeah. Because like you in Italy or in Japan, you have a tomato, you have a strawberry and you're like, whoa.

50:27Yeah. You're like, oh, this is supposed to taste like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We make stuff that can sit on the shelf forever. That's why our tomatoes look like they're albino tomatoes. They're like, they're hard. Yeah. Tomatoes are hard. Yeah. Like why is it tomato hard? Like what is that about? Why does it stay hard for like weeks just sits there. And then we just keep interesting that. Yeah. It's terrible. And then you get all this inflammation in your body. And you know, we've sort of genetically modified a bunch of things so we could feed a bunch of people so we can have large numbers of people.

50:58Yeah. And so it's benefit to that. How much of this like do you think is related to the fact that we have so many more people than some of these places? Oh, yeah. That's a fact. But it's not just that. So I think there's a bunch of factors and everybody wants to be real binary about it. Sedentary lifestyle is a big one. There's a large percentage of our population that doesn't move enough. They don't exercise. They don't do anything physical. So you got that and then you got years and years and years and years of doing that, which eventually catches you. Yeah. And so that's all the people that start showing up at the hospital.

51:34You know, it's metabolic health, right? So and then you have lack of understanding of nutrition, which is they think, oh, you some fuckhead doctor that tells you just off to eat a balanced diet. You don't need vitamins. Yeah. Well, that doctor is fat and stupid and probably has a bunch of diseases and he's on pills himself. Yeah. And then he's shut up. Probably never even went through any nutrition training. You know, in medical school, they get about six hours of nutrition training, I think. It's crazy that, you know, especially because we have kids in school, you realize that schools still, they don't emphasize nutrition or finance.

52:10I feel like that's another crazy thing is to keep people from understanding how finance works at all. It is crazy, right? Like you're teaching kids about how to prepare yourself for the world and you don't teach them about debt and about interest. The first thing that happens when you're a freshman in college is you walk through the student union and they go, you want a credit card? You're a fucking 18. Yeah. And they're like, yeah, they're like, yes, got 29 .9 % APR. It's awesome. They're praying upon you. Yeah, they're literally praying upon you. And the school lets it. Yeah, the school is like, yeah, go ahead.

52:39So they don't give a fuck about you. That's fucking crazy. You're just for the mill. Yeah, you're literally, you're paying fucking, you're in a paying $300 for a Coke you bought. You know what I mean? Because you're just like, like, this is insane. Yeah, I should say. And we don't teach anybody. It's really crazy. Well, also you get it in their head that they're fucked because the debt that they're getting involved in with student loans is the only debt we have that you can't get rid of. Yeah. The only debt. Yeah, you can't forgive that. There are people right now who have Social Security getting docked.

53:15There's Social Security getting docked for student loans. For their student loans. So they made it to death and they owe money to the government for loans that did them no good at all because they're living off Social Security. So the government gets to steal more money from your Social Security. Man, we have to pay you. So nuts. And meanwhile, like today, the reality is you can get that education online. Yeah. Almost all of the books on any sort of subject are available. Mine is useless, my degrees. What's yours in communications? Well, you're a communicator. Well, yeah, you're probably like they use you to sell more tickets.

53:54They probably do. But this guy, but look, he went to our university. You should come. It's unlike Tom. You know, I didn't like you don't I didn't learn anything. But how much did you have to pay to go to school? Oh, man. How much when you're in debt for? How much was the tuition? I think tuition when I was there was something like six or seven thousand a semester. So like 12, 13 a year. Which you know, what now fucking tuition is now are like $50, $80 ,000 a year. It's great to imagine you take on that loan. You start your workforce. You have $300 ,000 in loans. And God forbid you go to graduate school.

54:34Oh, my God. Compounds. And then you're never getting out of the hole. I mean, I think this is why some doctors and more has become sociopaths because you are dealing with so much debt and you really know and gives a fuck about use. You don't give a fuck about anybody else either. Wow. Yeah, it's great for society. It's also like you, there's two things that can be true, right? I do think that you kind of have to kids have to like get to work and get something going and get a path in your life. And when you're going to college, just like you're out of high school. Okay, now you're on your own. You're in college.

55:10You got to keep up your GPA. You got to get your degree. Let's go. Let's go. So let's go. Let's go. So there is value in that. But then also it's too much money and you're probably not going to do anything with that degree. And if you don't have the degree, people think you're a loser. And it's very, it's very strange. It's very strange what's going on because you're allowing these corporations to pray upon children. Yeah. It's like you're an 18 year old child. You don't understand anything. You don't understand anything. And then all of a sudden you're in college and you're saddled down with unstoppable debt.

55:45And you have this fucking circus of people around you that are also trapped. And you didn't understand what that meant. What you were signing up for. No way. It's the same reason like you have a conversation with somebody who's that age and you're like, oh, you realize that our brains are different, right? Like you talked to like a, yeah, they're not developed. They're not fully developed yet. They don't understand. Especially boys way, way more clearly. Yeah. Boys don't get developed. They're like 25. Girls are pretty, they can figure out the game earlier. They're not as saddled down by testosterone.

56:16Yeah, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're frontal lobe develops earlier. Yeah, ours does really take to about 25. Yeah. Future retarded. But that's also how you trick them into going to war. Yeah. You know, it's part of it. Like hey, we need to get, you know, the Gulf of Tonkin, terrible thing, those Vietnamese did. Yeah. We're going to need to send you overseas. Try that channel 40 year old guy. Like what? No, fuck what happened? Come here, Google. Hey, I googled Gulf of Tonkin. It turns out, yeah. You, you guys fucking faked it. What else are you faking to get us to go to war? Oh my God, you guys fake things to start wars so you can make money.

56:49That's crazy. How are you not in jail? How's knowing in jail for faking things to start wars? Zero accountability. It's why, so then you like, well, fuck it. They got me with the student loan. They got me with this. They got me with that. And you just get accustomed to life fucking you. Yeah. You just like, oh, the society just fucks you over. They just take from you, take from you, and saddle you with debt. Tell you this theory, what you're talking about applies to, I think, extends to our appearances. And what I mean is, today a lot of times people talk about how people wear like fucking flip flops and pajamas.

57:28You talking about bird again? Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's not here. No, to defend himself. I think this is really. But like, you get on a plane and you see people with pajamas, right? Right. And they, in the 50 years ago, they'd be like in a suit. And I think part of the reason why people, their appearance is this, I think some of it is tied to a lack of hope. Meaning that so many years ago, you would embark on your path in life. Thinking that there's hope. I can have the American dream. I can own the house. I can get the things I want to get. And so many people today are like, there is no hope. So fuck it.

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1:00:23Like every government wants control and power. What's the best way to acquire control and power? How do the people give up? Haven't give up. Yeah, this is fucking I give up. I give up. Fucking I'm wearing flip flops. Fuck it. I don't care. Because that means I'll do what you say. I'll do what you say when you give up. That's what's really scary to me about AI automation and then ultimately universal basic income. You're going to get a lot of giving up. And then the government's going to clamp down on you even more. Yeah. And then it's going to be habs and have knots out of scale that we've never seen before.

1:00:57When when you have companies that are in charge of these automated taxi services and that's the only way people get around. And the government gives you a certain amount of credits so you don't have to ever worry about traveling. You have credits as long as you're a good boy, Tom. Yeah, as long as you follow the rules, as long as you don't say anything crazy about Israel, as long as you don't do anything nutty, you know, about vaccines, as long as you don't step out of line when it comes to the election. Don't say anything crazy about this or about that or I mean, take your vaccines. And if that's a real possibility that they're just going to extract, extract money out of us or attempt to attempt to control like it.

1:01:39This is the grand this is the grand battle of control. The more they have power over narratives late and it's also like there's things that are going on right now. Like we were just talking about some friends this weekend, we're talking about um, these bot farms like this evidence of bot farms that people have used to like go and attack people with with certain things like like like like a bunch of different countries use bot farms. I'm sure a bunch of different corporations use bot farms too. But no one's going to get in trouble for it. Like if you can pretend that your mass groups of people that are getting upset about something you could just pretend and there's no, you could pretend.

1:02:25Yeah. You just like you can hire people to go protest and fly them in on jets. Like that's happening right now. There was this guy in Maine and he made this video where he was hired to drive these people to the airport and he's trying to figure out like where are these, where are all these people going? I'm driving his bus load to bus loads full of people at the airport and um, they were saying well we're going to a protest and like what protest? Then he goes and Googles like where they're where they're flying to. He was like oh this is paid protest. They're paying people to show up and pretend that it's a protest.

1:03:00So it's like there's puppet masters that are manipulating world event and that's legal. You're allowed to pay people to go protest. Yeah. Which seems like that should be illegal. Like you shouldn't be able to pretend that you have an organic up, well yeah. Yeah, up rising against some of them. Well it's giving people this illusion. Yes. Yeah. Which is the entire Commonwealth Air Force campaign. Yeah. I mean that's what it was. It was the whole thing was astroturf. Did you see that like it was before he left the former FBI director talking about how China just doesn't play ball with any international rules.

1:03:38Oh I'm sure. And he's like how they don't respect um, IP at all. Oh yeah. So he's like they'll just come in and they'll get uh, you know, a spy to give them let's say the IP of some whatever industry wind energy. They'll just take it and be like we have it now. Yep. Start this company and then like this company goes bankrupt because we're when they just fuck you. They'll fuck you. Yeah. They made shit whole Apple stores. Yeah. They're fake Apple stores. So insane. Everything's fake. Fake laptops, fake phones. I saw a guy too because like the the evolution because I would have to try to get online with one of those.

1:04:16I'd have no idea. Can you get an Apple ID? Like does it work? It can't. I'm imagining that it can't. But like you know, I always think about the fact with AI how we're in we're in like version one. Right. And we're all blown away by it already. Right. Right. And it was a there was a watch guy online who was like I have two like Daytona's. Oh yeah. And he was like dude. He goes this is the best one I've ever seen. Fakes. Yeah. The fake he had to you had to take it apart and to look at parts that were inside. Yeah. Like a spin wheel he goes oh this is missing the logo. So which begs the question like what is it?

1:04:57Like what are you buying? Do you want it from this company only or do you want a Rolex Daytona like what do you want? Well, I mean I think if in in the case of that you know that the the movements the the actual inner workings of the real one are far superior. Are they though? I think so. Yeah. Why? Yeah. Well I assume that. What if the other one has a 72 hour battery or I mean power supply too? What if what if you 3d print every single aspect of the watch? I bet that's the same thing. Pretty close I guess but it can be the same thing. Like we're not talking like like my watch like there's a panoron.

1:05:38Yeah. This could be fake. I mean I bought it from my friends so I'm sure it's real. Yeah. But like it's on a fake Ferrari. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like you got a fake Ferrari like oh my god these tires are have no traction. This suspension sucks. I hate the idea of fake watch though. Right but why? Well. It used to be poor. Maybe because I used to be poor. I also just don't respect the copying of it. Right. It's bullshit. Well you know I wouldn't buy one because you're contributing to some. But it's kind of funny. It is kind of funny. You can get one for $40. That's like a $7 ,000 watch.

1:06:15It's really crazy. It's insane. And it's insane that it's tricking. It's tricking these watch experts. Yeah. But I don't really understand the. Yeah look at these. So one of those is fake. Yeah the right on the right is fake. Yeah I'd buy that. Looks perfect. I'll take it. How much he's pointing out. Look at you see the difference like who? Imagine who knows this in the spot. Well you know this on the spot right? Yeah. Also my vision sucks. Mine does too. So I'd have to like take it out and do this like I don't know. Like this one I can't even. I guess I can read the time. I can read the date rather.

1:06:53But I mean with the tiny ass windows this is so strong. Like if it's dark in the room I've read enough. My vision absolutely sucks. That's incredible though. The replicas are crazy. They're so good. They're so good. But again like try making a replica 9 .11 turbo -ass. Good luck for the face. Good luck yeah. Good luck fuck face. But you can make one of those. But wait how to because this I okay I understand at least what you're doing in the watch thing right? Then the person buys the far less expensive one and they get the feeling I guess that that people go you have the real one. Right right right.

1:07:27But if you're getting an Apple product a fake Apple product. You don't know you're getting a fake Apple product. So they're going the whole things of scam? The whole store's fake and everyone that I did. It's an Apple store. Do you think people that are hired think they're in? They're in the fucking logo. That's Apple fake factory rated in China. This is 10 years ago though. It did it goes on to say that it tricked the employees. They thought they were working at a real store. That's the crazy. Yeah it's like it's layers of severance. It just goes deeper and deeper and deeper. Yeah. That's really crazy.

1:07:57You ever fall to YouTube channels, stance elements? It's a guy that just works on cars, dope shit. And one of the things he's doing is building his own Ferrari F40. That's cool. So instead of buying one for like $3 million which is okay. I'm going to say something. It's going to piss off these Ferrari people. It ain't worth it. Okay it's not worth $3 million. It's not that good. It's not good. It was new today. You feel like this should be taken off the market. Right. Like this thing has a zero fucking traction control. But because it's a classic, it's worth like a ton of money. So what he's doing is making it better.

1:08:36Stance works. There's his stance elements. That's the, oh that's the, the B -boys. That's the brake dancers. Which by the way, stance elements. How did I fuck that up? Stance elements, by the way, he's also amazing. We can talk about that. But this guy, stance works. This is his own, that's not a Ferrari. He's building it from scratch. All the parts online. So he bought all the body panels online. And then he made his own frame. And then he bought a Ferrari engine from like a different model of Ferrari. And he's putting that in it. Holy shit. But this is like a multi -month journey that this dude has been on.

1:09:12That I've been watching all the videos. Whenever he has a new video, I watch it. He does a lot of dope shit. But this is the guy that like really loves cars. And he's super smart. And when he's talking about cars, it's fascinating. Because like he's also a fan of the original M5. Which I've thought about getting one of those. Yeah. Not very fast. But apparently like super engaging. Driving experience. The original M5. Which I think was like. I want to say it was like 280 horsepower. And what year? 80 something. 80 something. Yeah. Which by the way, back, I think it was 88 maybe. Back then that was a lot.

1:09:52I have a 89 M3 that I bought. E30 M3. Oh yeah. And I have a S54 engine going into it. Oh Jesus. So that should be. How much is horsepower than that? Oh no. That's more than it came with. I have an E46 M3. Those are fun. I love it. Yeah. It's so balanced. Yeah. It's like such an engaging driving experience. That's what I'm into. I'm into that. I'm not into chasing the lower. Zero to 60 times. Yeah, that's nonsense. Yeah. Like if you ever use that on a public road, you're an asshole. But engaging cars, you could drive this be limit and enjoy the shit out of them. True. Just fun just going around a corner and just accelerating to 60.

1:10:35They're fun. It's fun. You feel more like like an old air cooled Porsche. Yeah. You feel it. You're feeling it. Because you get that. You're. You had one being built. Yeah, it's not done yet. It's real close. It's exciting. That's the RSR project. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Oh, very excited about that. It's like 350 horsepower, 2000 pounds. Meanwhile, I have some crazy fucking car. Can we do it? What do you got? This is a set of Fiorino 296 GTB for. It's like 700 or 800 horsepower. Right. Yeah. I watched, I've seen your blazer, but I watched a video on it. Yeah. Those guys, the velocity motorsports.

1:11:17Awesome. Yeah. Oh my god. They're doing cool shit. Velocity did. They really went out with that one. They that one's great. They do scouts and Broncos, but they also just started doing Mustangs. Oh, and the must. I took one of the Mustangs out. Oh, very fun. I think 67 Mustangs. So you get that. Is that what the flared fender? Did you send me that? Did you send that to me? The green one? No, that was a different. That's a different one. Oh, yeah, yeah. I was just every time I see something cool. Yeah. Like, check this out. I sent you the other one. What did I send you? I sent you that, that Julia, that Italian one, that the guy came to my place.

1:11:57Oh, yeah. That was fun. Yeah. Yeah. For a male. Yes. I've seen that online getting reviewed. It's a restomod for a male. I don't trust my people. No. No. I have one of my people's vehicles. But generally, I don't trust my people. Oh, my God. I just think they're they're eating pasta and staring at it ass and they're not going to do a good job. I want it. My car is made by either Germans who do meth or total. That's what. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, dude, I told one of these. This guy came. Baby. Look at that. It's fucking rad. Total. Automobilly. I did like it a lot. I didn't order one. I didn't order it.

1:12:41He didn't. I don't know. So I was like, I don't know. Well, that's so sick. That looks like a James Bond car. Look at that thing. Goddamn. And it's a 100 % custom. You know, I bet that thing flies. It dude. I was driving down Fairfax in LA in the rain and he turned off the traction control. No. Yeah, turned off. He turned it off. Why did he turn it off? He was like, let it run. He exploded. Emotion. Oh, no. And guess what? Emotion almost ended up wrapped around a fucking light pole. Did you spin? Dude, I was like, I corrected it. But I was like, panic. And I was like, fucking drive this guy. That's the fear of losing it in a Porsche.

1:13:23That rear engine whip, you know, that, uh, that understeer that happens. Yeah. Or oversteer. What is it called? Supply throttle. Something throttle oversteer. When you lift, when you lift, lift throttle oversteer. Yeah. And then the back end goes on. Oh, yeah. That's a, America's beverage companies are investing in America. We're American companies. Making American products with American workers in America's hometowns. We're local bottlers and manufacturers operating in all 50 states, employing more than 275 ,000 Americans in good paying jobs, delivering for the nation. Because we believe in the promise of America and the people who make it great.

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1:15:32Yep. Because the momentum and the weight are going to be carried through. And the actually the only thing that will keep you from usually losing is to stay on throttle. Not necessarily give it a ton. Right. But you need that momentum to carry you through it. Right. And so it's just something that you, use those countless videos of somebody in their new fucking car just going, right? And they just go into a tree. I just watched one on a new GT3RS. I've seen that one. Oh, brutal. He's like 18. And he did exactly that. Yep. He hits the turn off throttle, tries to correct. Bye. Bye, bye. Heck. Painful to watch.

1:16:07Painting. But that is a bad element of that design. The rear weight. Yeah. Yeah. But also it's like, is that really the best way to do it? Because you know, everybody always said that the Cayman is the better car. If they just gave it the same sort of love that they give the Porsche. Fuckin' love car. Not a car. I'm Cayman. I love it. Yeah. It's like my heart is with that car. If you go like, what's the one you're in love with the most? Still that car. But isn't it interesting that like that car is not as prestigious. It's not as prestigious. Yeah. Like why is that? That seems stupid. It's a whole thing too.

1:16:38And if you have like, you'll see people like, ah, you got the Cayman. You should have gotten the 911. And I'm like, you should drive this fucking thing. Yeah. But people that say that are all retarded. They kind of are. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody that says that is an idiot. I mean, you don't know anything about cars. Mid engine. Because you have a dinon, right? Is that, no, it's not dinon. Was the company? Dinon did my BMW. Yeah. What is your company? For that one. Demon. Demon. Yeah. The upgrade on that. Yeah. So what that is is what it should be. Right. From Porsche. Yeah. They should take that big juicy GT3 RS engine or even crazier.

1:17:12Take that GT2 RS. Throw it in that, mid. Throw it in that. It just upsets 911 owners. That's it. Just fucks up there. I'm gonna throw it in a little fairies. Yeah. If that upsets you. Yeah. Then you need to go find something else. You need to go do mushrooms on the mountain top somewhere. By the way, did you like that? You feel it at all? I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Did you ever drive the GT4 RS? They came out with like a year or two ago? No, I didn't. I heard it. I didn't drive it. I'm sure it's dope, but it's also an automatic. It's all automatic. It's pretty good. Come on.

1:17:40You push these. Yeah. Like what are we doing? Why are you buying a street car? Are you a crazy track guy? Because that's a track car. Okay. Which is fine. Yeah. Which is fine. Yeah. But but for the average person that like in Joe, you like make an enthusiast car. That's a goddamn three pedal. Yeah. Make make a manual. Well, thank God they still do. Yeah. They make some. I mean, a lot of places just don't. I still them and BMW. Ford still make some. They still do it with their most things. I can't believe that Ferrari doesn't realize that if they did just a limited run. Oh my God. It was so like crazy.

1:18:16It would sell so crazy. Yeah, they gave up. They gave up Lamborghini. Give up. I wish they would. Think I Porsche didn't. No, I know. But they did with some cars. Like a lot of their cars, you can't like, you can't get the GTS now in a five speed. You can't or excuse me, a six speed or seven speed, whatever the fuck they have now. You can't get, I don't think you can get the S. You can't get the turbo. No, you can't get the turbo. You have to get the T or the regular. Maybe you can get the regular 911. I think you can get a regular 911 career. GT3, you can get still, but you can't get the GT3 RS.

1:18:49Like come on guys. Shut up. Just shut up. I think they're the audience should inform them. Right, they should know that like they're fan base. I know. Once all that shit manual, it's like what pisses me off about Corvette too. Like you guys have the most dope shape now. The C8 Corvette is so sick. And you're putting out these insane ones, like the Z06 and the ZR1, but it's still, bing, bing, bing, bing. I know, people want to. I don't know. It's gotta be like, all that has to be like cost analysis, right? It's a little bit of that. And what is that, Roaks? Yeah, I kind of quit those, but I fucking love these.

1:19:31I thought I was gonna have a hard time. I quit them over the weekend. Really? Nothing. It was like, this is easy. I think I'm lucky. With your own. Yeah, I don't think I get physically addicted to stuff that way. Except coffee. Yeah, I've done that one where I took the whole day off coffee and I was like, Barb, fucking yawning. Yeah, yeah. Ugh, fuck. Coffee gets me to headaches. But I like coffee so much. And coffee's everywhere. I'm like, I don't think I need to quit that one. No. I didn't get headaches last time I tried to quit coffee. I quit for a couple of days and I was like, this is just rough.

1:20:07But the nicotine pouches were nothing. That's great. Yeah, it was super easy. I feel like I have some of that where I'm not that physically addicted to it. But dude, I have friends that have like anything gets them. Like I had a guy who came over here and do a podcast and he saw that someone had sent us some cratum stuff that I went up throwing out. I was like, I don't want like this shit anyway. Yeah. And he's like, don't take that. I can't get off of it. Get that cratum away from me. I know someone is real problem with it. I'm like, really? I know someone 18 years on it. What? Yeah. What? 18 years on a shitty opium?

1:20:44Well, because they were using it to get off of opiates. Oh, God. And they can't go without it. Wow. But the high is so like whatever. Yeah, it's not. I tried it and then people were telling me, be careful, be careful. Oh, Duncan loved it. We had some at the club and Duncan's like, Hey, man, you got any more of that? Got any more of that liquid heroin man? I was like, keep it away from Duncan. Yeah. He's so funny. He's the best. He's the best. But we like had a whole box of it there that Ron White had left there. And he was gone by Tuesday. I got in there on Tuesday. I was everywhere. Where did I go?

1:21:24No, it was all Duncan. It was all the drink of them. I was drinking two and three a day, man. I go, do you know what I'm supposed to drink one a day? It's like a half a dose. Yeah. Which is really weird. Like, why did they make one of them? Be two doses. Two doses. That's crazy. It's a tiny little shot. That's a good way to get you on to it. Yeah. It's like when you buy a bag of chips, and it says like, how many calories in it, per serving? Things chips. Like, why is this little baggy is not even a single serving? You know, I'm going to eat more than that one bag. Of course they know. Piece of shit.

1:21:53Yeah. Yes. Garbage tactic to get people into it. It's so fredatory. It just lies. You're lying about the amount of calories. That's so funny, dude. But I don't, I think, very lucky. Because I know people that get addicted to weed. Yeah. I've gone a long time without weed and never had any problem. Yeah, people get physically addicted. Like, I didn't really realize that was a thing. But it's just different genetics. It totally is. Like, look at Bert, a normal person who drinks as much as him would be dead. Yeah. You'd have like real liver problems. And he doesn't have any problems. He's in the gym in the morning.

1:22:35It's crazy. Yeah. So it's like, you just got to deal with the cards you dealt. Like, what do I have for races? Well, you don't. You don't. So what are you going to do? Yeah. You're going to just sit here and fucking complain about everything or what? You got to figure it out. Yeah. Figure it out, bitch. Yeah. Yeah. Figure it out. Yeah. You know, everybody needs love. Everybody needs support. But everybody also needs figure it out, bitch. Yeah. Figure it out, bitch. Figure it out enough of that. Exactly. There's really not enough of that. There's not. Because you really, it's like, there's not, you don't gain anything by doing the like, how come I don't get this?

1:23:10It's like, how come I'm not six six? I don't know. I'm not. Right. You just know that. Yeah, you got to just deal with it. I think that's a real problem where people, you know, if you think about like the, the, the, you remember that I'm documentary the secret that's stupid document. Oh, yeah. Like all you have to do is like, think about things and you can make them happen. Yeah. Not really. That's bullshit. But it's a part of it. It's a part of making things happen. Like you can't just say, I'm going to fucking breathe underwater. Yeah. I'm just going to think about it. Yeah. You can't do that.

1:23:44You can't do that. There's physical limitations to the human frame. This physical limitations for your particular human frame. Yeah. You know, you can't get taller. You can't, you can lose weight. But the, the, you can't really do much other than that. Yeah. You can kind of get in good shape for what you got. But what you got is what you got. What you got. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but there's a bunch of people that just think about their problems all the time. That's a, it's in a session. And what it does is it carries you through time without having to deal with the problem. Because you just talk about the problem.

1:24:16Right. Right. That's a big one. I know so many people do that. Because your focus is your problems rather than your solutions. Do you know me people who live in Guatemala in a fucking dirt, floor shack would you love your problems? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Your problems are not that big a problem if you're living in America. Well, you, and you have your health, you need, you have that, you need that perspective change from people. Exactly. Yeah. There's a big thing of like, if, if your problems become your identity, it's a fucking cause I know people like that, right? That you're like that. Have you ever seen that video?

1:24:49The, um, the final boss of woke, it's like this one trans man who's like, I'm a disabled trans man. I'm also on food stamps. I also have like a real person. And it's, Donald Trump is trying to race me. And it's like, this is the identity like this is, this is existential battle, but this final boss has everything wrong with him. Yeah. It is, you're not him. Yeah. Girl pretending to be a man. So it's like you've got every, every issue. And it just keeps going on. And have you seen this Jamie? Do you know it is? Tells like somebody should try to get on stage. No big fat stupid face. It's not going to work.

1:25:36The whole thing is just like, it's just, it's so crazy that people will just like, there's a value and a currency to being a victim. Yes. And so they'll, they'll add stuff. Social media has also helped that a lot because there's plenty of people that don't want to deal with their shit. That'll go, yes, girl, you go. Yeah. Increable. Society's doing this to you. Yeah. Did you hear about that lady that got fired from Equinox in Manhattan? She was late 47 times in 10 months and she sued because of race. She said she got fired for racism and she won. She won. It's a jury and she won $11 million. No.

1:26:17Yes, she did. No. She was working 47 times. Not only that, like you were working at Equinox. Like you could work for all of time and you'll never make $11 million. Yeah. Like you're not going to make $11 million. We're going to Equinox in that. But yet you won and she only worked there for 10 months. She was late 47 times in 10 months. And that's why they were firing her. Like they're like, you're just perpetually. They're like, bitch, you are always late. Yeah. And then she's like, that's so racist. That's crazy. And she can record and won. They're definitely going to appeal that shit. Of course they're going to appeal.

1:26:51But the thing is when you have a jury, you have a jury of people so fucking stupid, they don't get out of jury duty. Yeah, exactly. And they might be like, yeah, fuck Equinox man. Yeah, fuck Equinox man. Give it to me. Give it to me. Give it to me. Because that guy's just too lazy to go to the gym. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, of course. Not just that. It's a corporation. You don't think of it as an individual. That's a company that's going to fuck you over. That's why people don't feel bad stealing from work. Yeah. You don't feel like you're stealing. If someone was working in your house and they were stealing from you, they stole your forks, where's my fucking fork?

1:27:29Yeah, this is bullshit. And then you find out a guy who worked for you stole your fork. You're fucking fired. Like that. But if an office, if someone takes a fork home, if you have a kitchen in your office, we use a bunch of forks for their staff. And someone takes that fork. It's no big deal. It's the offices. We just need to order more forks. We have these fucking forks keep disappearing. And you go over Tom's house one day and like Tom's got four of the office forks. Like, did you just steal the office forks? I forgot. I just keep forgetting to bring them back. Because they don't belong to somebody.

1:27:57Right. Exactly. It's not a human. It's a corporation, which is also why corporations can act like fucking psychopaths. Yeah. Because they're also not a human. So they can just do whatever the fuck they have to do, which is why our food's by so back. Because they're just trying to maximize profit. They literally have a duty to maximize profits. And mom definitely thinks of corporations as they can deal with it. Of course. And I remember my dad used to tell a story that when they first got married, they were at a holiday in and they were leaving. And then he was like, what is that in the suitcase?

1:28:30And it was their towels. And she was like, the towels. And he's like, you can't take that. She was like, why? Because it belongs to the holiday in. It's theirs. And she was like, they have like a hundred of them. And he's like, yes, not ours. That we can't. This is a game. She's like, it's fine. And like everywhere I've gone with her, she's like, you know, she'd be like, can I take this? I'm like, that's a funny. We've been in places where I've been like, hey, sorry, my mom wondering if we could take this glass. She makes you ask. Yeah. And then I saw a video you were showing your mom these clips.

1:29:08Oh, yeah. The clips from your new Netflix show. Oh, fucking amazing. It was amazing. I knew it was going to be killer. I was like, she's going to hate it. And they were like, okay. So we set up a private screening for her. It's also like, why am I watching this? I don't know if you know, but you're my mom. Yeah. It's just so funny. She's like, dude, she fucking, she hated the show so much. She's like, she came over yesterday for Mother's Day. And I was like, she goes, so, because on the rest of that thing, she made me promise that we're going to cut the first story. Yeah. She was like, you're definitely not going to use that right.

1:29:44So eventually I was like, yeah, we're cutting it. And so yesterday, she was like, did you cut it? I go, of course not. It's fucking, it's Netflix's. She was like, you promised that you lied to me. And I'm like, mom, I can't be like, hey, don't air the first one. She was like, well, that means you lied to me. So I'm never coming to a show again. And I'm never going to do anything like related to any of your, and I go promise. That would be that if you never came to a show again. You have to, if a fucking burden it is, so I have to babysit when you're there. I was talking to Shane Gillis about a baby does where people get upset.

1:30:19People, he knows getting upset about a bit. Oh, yeah. And he's like, yeah, I'll stop doing that. Shut the fuck up. Shut up. Shut the fuck up. She found out by the way, I was on Chrissy D and Yannis's podcast the day the Pope died or the day after I was in New York. We're podcasting and I was like, oh, because my mom's like hardcore Catholic. And I was like, let's call her and just check on her and I'll go, we'll just try to see if maybe the Jews did it.

1:30:51So I call her. I'm like, do you hear about the Pope? And she's like, I am David. David thought me. I remember with happy if he was sick or if it was the Jews and she's like, what? And like, we had to cover our mouths. We had to cover our mouths and mute the phone. She's like, she goes, this is the craziest call I've ever received. The Pope died. Do you think the Jews did it? Like, they hang up the phone. And then like a week later, she goes, I was on YouTube and I find that you called me on a show to talk about it. She found it. She found it. She found the clip. She found the endless well of us fucking with her on YouTube.

1:31:35Oh my God, that's so funny. Speaking of the Jews, have you seen fucking Kanye's new song? Bro. What is it? What? Here's the thing. What? My first of all, yeah. Well, that's the problem with it. That's the problem. It's like the guy from production, like he's never lost a step. He can make a beat. He's so talented. He's a genius. He's a talented producer, man. I do think it's like, when, first of all, I think people are kind of don't ask him questions because most of the shit he puts out is like self -release kind of commentary or thoughts. Is he saying just fucking, you know, it's the craziest thing.

1:32:13But like, but there is a thing where that song is like, what do you do in dude? Like, for what are you doing? It's the ultimate pushing back. Yeah, I guess. But there is like, like, I think I have a pretty, you know, let things go kind of vibe to me. Obviously. You're fucking show. Yeah. I'm like, I'm shows ridiculous. It's ridiculous show. And I've always been like, yes, say whatever you're going to say. But I do think like making a catchy song about that. I'm like, what are you doing, man? Like you're just kidding. At a minimum, you're just going to get more people that think it's cool to say, highlight.

1:32:49Like, I think the minimum. Well, I think that's part of the program. Yeah. I think it's part of what he's trying to do. But I mean, is that cool to do? I guess if you're like, well, it's fun to troll the masses and get them to do that. Okay. But what I'm saying is that like at a minimum, you're going to get less educated people to go like, this is a fun thing to say. And you're like, I mean, is that good? You really want people just walking around and be like, you know, it's tight, man. How it's like that? Fucking insane. It's crazy. It is crazy. But it's also kind of a sign of the times. I guess.

1:33:24Yeah. Because of the chaotic world we're living in. Yeah. And it's like, okay, this is this kind of highlights the benefits. I mean, I want to say this like carefully because I don't want to think any, I don't, I want to say real clearly. I don't support people saying that. I don't think it's a good thing to say. No. I don't say it. I certainly don't think, I don't think any racism is good. I don't think anti -semitism is good. I don't think anti -Christianity is good. I don't think Asian hate is good. I don't think anything is good. But there's a benefit to just letting people talk. Like let people say whatever the fuck they want to say, even if it sucks.

1:34:07This is the benefit of Twitter, but this is also the bad part. It's like the fucking saga is so many millions of hits on Twitter. It's been banned from every platform. But is it good to ban things from platforms or is it better to let it be out there and let people talk about it? Because if you ban it, then people want to hear it more. That's true. And then it becomes more popular and then it kind of supports what he says, which is that there's this concerted effort if you talk about Jewish people that they're going to remove you from everything, remove you from banking room. Which is what are you saying?

1:34:41They run everything. So if they didn't, like if it was just you were talking shit about Puerto Ricans, look what happened to Tony, nothing. Yeah. It's doing great. You don't mean like if there's certain people that you're allowed to pick on and make jokes about or mock or say something, and you can get away with it. Yeah. Well, I think he's made his point. I think we all get it now. It's never going to end. But how does it end? This is the question. When I was watching that song, first of all, I was by myself. When I first saw the song, I was like, what is this? Yeah. Like no way. Yeah, yeah. No way.

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1:37:57I know that there's been all these over the last five years. There's been times where his net worth has been reported at such a crazy amount. I remember funds were frozen and he was like, I don't have anything and then it was all back. I don't know what his financial situation is. Well, they can't steal your money, but they can debank you. Yeah. Where no one will bank with you. So it's like, how does that work? Where do you get your ATM card? Is it from the bank of fucking Portugal? Like, what do you have to do? Like, how does that work? You know what? I thought about when I was watching that video, I was like, how do you get, I don't know, how many actors do this?

1:38:34That's easy. That's the easy part. I think it's crazy. I think a lot of people would be like, what? Oh, that's easy part. You put out a casting call and they're like, everyone's soulless. They have no fucking soul. Nuts. They just want to get famous. You're going to do a project with Kanye. Okay. Let's go. Let's do it. Let's say, also, I'm just acting just like that guy in Inglourious Baster's wasn't really a Nazi. Right. I'm not really a Nazi. Who's a man? I got to do what I got to do. I got kids to feed. Yeah. It's nuts. It's pretty nuts. He's, look, he's super talented, man. One of my thoughts after hearing that song was like, man, I wish he would release the song with like a different, you know what I mean with a different hook.

1:39:12Like, yeah, it's not what happened. No, I know he's not going to, but that's what I, one of my thoughts was I was like, man, I wish he would. It's so crazy. It's so crazy because his last album before that was a banger. It's like he came out of the gate showing people that like he's still got it. Like yeah, you might have pulled me off all these platforms. You might have debanked me. You might have taken away my easy deal with the deedist, but damn, I still got it. And that one was released everywhere, right? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man, that's in the Spotify playlist that we play in the green room all the time.

1:39:46You know, there's some fucking killer songs in that, man. Yeah, he's classics. Yeah, classics. He's got so many bangers. But you know, this one, he's just like letting people, I guess in his eye, I mean, I don't know. I haven't talked him about it, but I guess he's like, I'll do whatever the fuck I want. Well, clear the thing. I'm going to do the fuck I want. Yeah, clearly. So I'm going to do the one thing that you're never, ever, ever supposed to do. I'm going to make a catchy song with a high -el -hit lyric. Yeah. Yeah. That's just like, whoa. That is the ultimate like I'll do whatever the fuck I want.

1:40:19Yeah. And you had to say like in the casting, there's like a description of all the stuff. If you want to be a part of this production, like you have to be comfortable with swastikers. Is that was in there? Yeah. He's got a diamond encrusted swastikers. That's also insane, dude. By the way, you know, a juice hold him that probably. Or at least the diamonds. Where the diamonds come from. That's insane. And the Jewish people have been controlling diamonds for a long time. It's insane. They're very smart about the diamonds. Because the diamonds aren't even really that valuable. You know what's fucking crazy in jewelry?

1:40:52Because this is one thing that I don't trust about. There are certain businesses where you're like, I don't know what I'm looking at. Right. Right. So like a car, for instance, you have the reference to go like, how much should this cost? Right. Right. So it gives you some personal. Yeah. And you can like check with people. Yeah. But like a piece of jewelry. Right. This guy who I bought a watch from was like, this jewelry is like, you know, this ring or whatever. It's like, whatever. $50 ,000 or something. I was like, oh, wow. Like, do you want it? I was like, I don't know.

1:41:34And. And then like a month or two later, he sent me the same thing. He's like, trying to move this now. Do you want it for like 20? What? And I was like, I didn't, I was like, it's 20. He's like, yeah, I'm just trying to move it now. What does that mean? Well, you hold it on it. What's it really cost? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. And so you kind of go like, wait a minute. So I was gonna pay $30 ,000 more for it. That would just go to you. That's so gross, right? It is gross. I just really turned me off, man. Well, you know, it's really good. Fake diamonds that are real diamonds. Yeah. Girls don't want them.

1:42:13Right. I was reading this whole thing about the demand and supply for lab created diamonds that are absolutely diamonds. They're not fake diamonds. It's a real diamond. But it's not a diamond that's pulled out of the ground by slaves. It's just lab generating. Yeah, it's not like a blood diamond. So like, man, girls are like, I don't want that. I don't want that. It's not real. I'll know it's not real. I want someone to suffer first. Well, it's not that. What it is is the same thing is not wanting to fake Rolex, even though it's like physically the exact same thing as a Rolex, it's okay. But that's at least a brand.

1:42:50Like if you're a person who loves engineering and craftsmanship, like you, like I don't want to, you know, someone to rip off someone's work. Yeah. Like that's art. Like your watch, that's a piece of art. It's a piece of art. So that makes sense you wouldn't want a fake piece of art. But a diamond is just, it's just elements compressed over time. And they figured out how to do that where they make perfect diamonds. Fraction of the cost of machine, right? But the demand is super low. Yeah. Wow. 99 % less. 99. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, in some cases, especially the bigons. Yeah, as I was saying, you go three carat.

1:43:34Yeah. Right, right, right. The ladies don't want them. Yeah. And I've been out wide. It's so crazy. I don't know. That's one of the things that I feel so. Do you think I'm cheap? They don't want that shit, dude. She finds out that what you got her was like the shittier version. The lab, yeah. But it's not even shittier. Where I know. Lab -created diamonds are actual diamonds. It's literal alchemy. Remember the old days, they were trying to figure out a way to use all these chemicals to make gold. Those are the alchemists are for. Kings would spend insane amounts of money on these alchemists to try to get these alchemists to figure out how to manufacture.

1:44:16I think I can make gold for you, Sire. Need a laboratory. And these dudes are sniffing, fucking mercury all day and dying, young. It's the craziest thing to spend on. But imagine if the ladies, you made that gold in a lab. I don't want it. I don't want it. I want real gold. That's from Afro -cada came out of the ground. Yeah, we just want the real stuff. I want the real stuff that they picked out of the river. I want the real stuff they got from Alaska. I want the real stuff. But it's just gold, baby. It's gold. It's just an element. Who cares where it's from? No. I want stuff that's forged inside of a sun.

1:44:57How many women out there do you think to rock something that they're so proud of that if they go to get it assessed, it has to happen all the time. It happens to my family. It did? Yeah, yeah. I don't want to say who. But someone, not like close, but broke up with the guy and found out it was a cubic circronium. That's hilarious. LOL. That's very funny. But perfect for that guy. I was like, guys, that's a piece of shit. I knew it. I could have told you it was a big diamond. That's so funny. I laugh so hard. Yeah. So she took it to the jeweler. I was like, well, she's like, I got a break up with this guy.

1:45:32I don't have any money. I mean, she's living with this shister. This fucking guy who's like a just dirt bag. But had some money, but not real money. Just like a just bullshit artist. Yeah. He's like, oh, he's a bullshit artist. I got to leave him. Oh, fuck. Fuck. She'll have like, I'm going to, you know, I've 10 grand. Yeah. So this right now. I'm like, give you 100 bucks. It's worth nothing. They didn't want any of it. It's not worth anything. That's. Fake diamonds worth zero money. Zero diamonds. Looks exactly like, like if you're in a party, if you go to a party, if you're a woman, you have this beautiful big ass fucking rock and you walk in and everything.

1:46:08Oh, look at her ring. Oh my god. It's sparkling. Nobody knows. Nobody has any idea that it's fake. No, I know. I mean, literally, it's, again, it's not a fake Ferrari. Well, that was the thing, Chad Ochoa Sinko, the football player, because like a lot of the athletes, they rock diamond earrings and stuff. He was like, yeah, I'm aware. They're fake. He's like, especially because like from, whether it's on the field or going out, he's like, I have a real one at home. Yeah. I was like, I go out. I wear the fake one. Well, he saved a lot of money. A lot of money. He was also like, always very on top of like, not overspending.

1:46:41Very smart, dude. Very smart, dude. For everything except fighting, he has this very, very bizarre idea, like him and Chad and Sharpe argue all the time. About who? His bizarre idea that he could like fight MMA guys and beat them. Oh, that's crazy. That's crazy. Well, it's the reason why we such a great athlete. Yeah. Confidence. Crazy confidence. That's just unstoppable belief in yourself, which listen, he's such a great athlete that if he did compete in MMA, he probably would be a world champion because he's got that, like a Michael Jordan decided he was going to, if MMA existed when Michael Jordan was alive, he'd probably be the light heavyweight champion of the world.

1:47:17Right. I probably figure out a way to fuck everybody else up. And it also like this drive, this championship mindset. It's just rare humans that choose to focus on football or soccer or basketball or whatever it is. The thing they get obsessed with. But if they put the same amount of energy from the same amount, an early enough age, like there's certain barriers that cannot be overcome. And one of them is like physical maturity. Like once you're like 36 years old, if you start boxing at 36 years old, I don't care what, you're not going to be a world champion. It's too hard. It's too hard. It's like we saw with like Francis and Garner when he fought Anthony Joshua.

1:47:55Yeah. That's a difference. You know, you can't just jump on in and fight like an Olympic gold medalist. It's like been doing your whole life. He's going to do things to you. You're not going to know what he's doing and he's going to crack you. Yeah. But the reason why he thinks that, like, Ocho Sinko thinks that is because he was fucking monster athlete. Yeah. He's like, he knows how hard he works. He knows how gifted he is. Yeah. But he just thinks, but if you know, you put him in there with a guy like a Dreckas Dupel C or something like that, like you know, be a fucking monster. No, he's thinking, yeah, because he was a fucking precision route runner, like great.

1:48:33And someone's mounting you, drilling elbows in your eye socket. I know. It doesn't matter. Like, it doesn't matter. You don't know how to block them. You don't know how to stop the rear naked choke. You don't know how to stop the trip. You don't know which way to roll on a heel hook. Like, they're like, I figured I should out. No, you're going to get your knees ripped apart and get knocked unconscious. It's like, this is reality. But it's, I love the fact that people think that way. There's a lot that think like that. I was spoken. It's my mentality, bro. Yeah. Yeah. I can't lose. Yeah. I understand that I have that stupid part of my brain too, but I'm also smart enough to go, hey, fuckface.

1:49:12Like, I have two people in my head. Yeah. I have like this. I can do it. I have the general who tells me what to do. And then I have like the soldier that's like, wait a minute. Yeah. Yeah. This is going to get me killed. Yeah. This is fucking dumb. I'm not running with a hand grenade into all this bullets flying my way. And you know enough, seeing enough fighting to know what your limits are. Especially with martial arts is the big one. It's like, you don't know, man. There's little tiny dudes that can choke you to death and you have no idea. Yeah. In your mind, you're like, they can do shit to me.

1:49:44It's motherfuck our cabbage 300 pounds. And next thing you know, arm drags. He's got your back. He can't get a like, I have the body triangle on my arm. Yeah. And you know what it's about what you have to. You have to. You're dead. It's over. That's why it's good. It's good to do like to even trial those things. Like, I've done a little bit of, you know, boxing, striking. I've done a little bit of Jiu -Jitsu. It's great to have the awareness. You're like, oh, wow. It's a nice wake up call. Yeah. Yeah. When I first started doing Jiu -Jitsu, I was already like a very accomplished striker. I was really good at striking.

1:50:18So I was like, I know how to fight. And then I went to Jiu -Jitsu class. I got my ass kicked every day. And I was like, this is crazy. I was so wrong. I know this completely distorted idea of my abilities. Yeah. Yeah. It really humbles you, right? It's a lot of people walking around out there, especially men. They just think they know how to fight. Yeah. It's a terrible thing to find out on YouTube. Like, to see people find out that you don't really know how to fight. You just think, you know, you're going to bluff your way. I think there's the male thing. Men think they know how to fight, that they're funny, that they fuck good, and that they can drive.

1:50:55Those are like the four things they're like, I can do all this shit. Yeah. There's like manly things you don't want somebody to be better than you at. Yeah. And you get delusional things. Those four are the ones that like come up the most. Yeah. Pools another one. Shoot pool. Yeah. A lot of guys pretend they're good at pool. Yeah. I've had a bunch of dudes say they play good pool. I'm like, really? Let's find out. Let's find out. Do any of her surprise you that they are pretty good? Never. Never. Not one. Nope. Wow. That's actually, I thought you would find at least a couple. Nope. So they're always like, I'm not.

1:51:28No, usually people that are really good at pool, they'll tell you. Like, oh, yeah, I used to play a lot. I played a lot of tournaments. I did this with that. Where'd you play? And they're like, oh, I played at Chelsea Billiards in New York City. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Did you do a lot of tournaments? Yeah, I did a lot of gambling. It was fucking me up in high school. Okay. This guy's good. I get it. You know what you're talking about. But the guy's like, yeah, man, I'm fucking good at pool. Like, are you? Where do you play? It's like going bars, mostly, like, right. So it's one of two things happening.

1:51:58Either they're trying to sucker you into a game, and they are really good at pool. Or they're delusional. And every time I've ever experienced it, it's delusional. Wow. There's a lot of people do, like famous people. Really? Oh, yeah, yeah, a bunch. Yeah. They're like, I'm pretty good. I don't want to say names, but bring them over onto the table. And they're like, what the fuck? Oh, you have to tell me these names after. I have to tell you afterwards. Yeah. Yeah. It's fun. That's fun to see somebody. Yeah. It's fun. But, you know, it's one of those things that people like, like, a lot of men want to think they're good at poker.

1:52:31Like, oh, I can read people. Like sure. Oh, yeah. That's another one, dude. I think they're good at playing cards. Oh, he's a great one. Ari Schaffer, when we were at the store, Ari for years, many of living playing poker. He made a living doing that? 100%. He would go and play in the bicycle club and all those cards. So he was very good. He was very good at poker. But he would tell you, like, all these people think they're good boy. They don't know what the fuck they're doing. Because they play stupid. Like, he's just intelligent and calculated. He knows who's really good. Who? Philip Lee and his wife.

1:53:04Oh, really? They play internaments. Oh, wow. Margarita and Philip, they play internaments. So those Bruce Buffer. Bruce Buffer played in the World Series of Poker. I never, I never got into poker. And I remember when I was working in post -production, like in the early 2000s, it was starting to get more and more like, now it's, I think, immensely popular. But there was like, there was like an uptick when they started to like, televised it. You know what it was? You know what made it uptick? No. You can see the cards. When I had a home, you know who's got what? You know who's got what. So you're watching it play out.

1:53:34That's a huge element. That's right. That's from home. Because Anthony Giordano, my friend from the UFC, who he does all the UFC direction. He's done my comedy specials too. He explained it to me. He's like, the moment you can see those cards, I changed the game. Because it now made it exciting for people to watch. Because you're watching people play poker. You don't know what anybody's hand is until the end. This is stupid. But if it's like, you got a camera. So like as they fan open their cards, there's a camera under the table. And it shows you what they've got. And it shows you what everybody's got.

1:54:05That's more exciting. Oh, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Oh yeah. So it's way more fun. Dude, I don't even know how to play poker. And I would accept invites. It's a poker games. And what happens is you start playing with like how you think to play. And people start when they don't know you, they're like, this guy. He's either fucking really ballsy and good, or he's a retard. And that's what would happen to me is like couple games in. People were like, OK, yeah, this guy. And then pretty soon they're like, do you play poker? And I was like, I'm not really sure what we're doing here. They're like, get the fuck out of here, man.

1:54:41Well, they also want to rob you. Yeah, that's a big thing too. Yeah. Because you're a big fish. Well, I wasn't at all then. At the dawn. No, no, no, no. I was just like going like with people from work, you know, I was just like doing it socially. That's got to be a lot of thing where a lot of people like that are really wealthy that get into gambling. Oh, be it target. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, that's a big thing with pool players too is occasionally poker players. Because poker players, a lot of them, they gamble on a bunch of different stuff. You know, a lot of them are just gambling addicts.

1:55:14Totally. And so there was always a bunch of poker players that would play pool. And they were kind of okay at pool, but they would get insane spots. Like say, if like I knew this guy that was playing one pocket for like $100 ,000 a set. And one pocket is a weird game where pool table has six pockets. Yeah. And so like if we were playing one pocket, you would have this pocket on the right out of this pocket on the left and there's 15 balls. And so all I have to do is make eight balls into my whole and I win the game. Okay. Normally, but if you don't know how to play and I'm trying to sucker you in a play in me, I do, okay, listen, I will spot you on 15 ball game.

1:56:00I'll spot you 13 balls. 13. 13 balls. You just have to get to we're going to play for big money. We're going to play for big money. We're going to play for race to five for $100 ,000. So that means we're in a game of one pocket takes a long time. It's not like a game of nine ball game and nine ball. You could be done two minutes. You just run the rack, you know, like a good player anywhere you can go. Yeah. But in this case, you have to go into one to nine. Exactly. One pocket and you can't leave a shot because if you're playing a good player. So like if you were playing, like, okay, me, let's say me, because I'm like a, what I would call, I'm like what's called a B player.

1:56:41Like I can't beat pros, but compared to regular people, oh my god. Are you, how do you play so good? Regular people don't know how to play it. That's why it is. But if I played like a pro, like if I played like my friend Fader Gourst, who's like a world champion, like I would probably need like it out of 15 balls. I'd probably need 11 balls to have a chance. And even then, I'm probably getting robbed. Really? Yeah. Because he's just going to, he's going to figure out a way to never leave me a shot. And then he was going to calculate when he has a shot, can he open up the stack and then run all the other balls?

1:57:21Because you don't break like you break with eight ball when you break with one pocket. It's a very calculated game. And it's a big gambling game. The most money gets spent on like I was just watching online the other day of the game. They're playing for $240 ,000. Yeah. It was, it was a match for $240 ,000. I think it was a three day match. I got a watch one of these. It's the pressure isn't saying. But this guy Justin Bergman, who's like one of the best players in the world, was playing this guy and he gave him a crazy spot. I think it was, I think it was, it might have been like, he had a, it was something crazy, like 10 six or something like that where he had a, he had to make 10 balls.

1:58:00He had to make six balls. And the guy was a good player too. And so if you're, so this is like, it's more like chess almost. It feels like right? Because you're like, they're calculating like, have you? You have to risk reward because like say you might have a long spot in your hole. And if you make it, you have all these balls and you can run out the set, you can run out the game. But if you miss, you're selling out. And this guy only has to make six balls and he might be able to make six balls. And it's any six. Exactly. Any six. Wow. It's just any ball just has to be in your hole in any order.

1:58:30It's not a thing like, it's not like a rotation game like one through nine or eight ball where you're like, I got stripes, you got solids. It's just anything goes any ball in that hole. And like the really, really good players can spot you that much. Oh, yeah. You don't have a chance. And there's a really good players like, there's a guy named Tony Chohan who's real famous. There's nicknames T Rex. And he's like a big time money gambler. And this is another guy named Scott Frost, who's a friend of mine. Yeah. He was like one of the biggest one pocket players of all time. Guaranteed, Scott Frost has gambled over the course of his life.

1:59:05Millions of dollars have changed hands with Scott Frost playing real like pocket. Yeah, he's like one of the best one pocket players like literally ever. And these guys are playing, you know, they'll meet up in Kentucky. They'll love state courses and then people on the rail. So all the people that are watching are gambling as well. So you might have a, you know, there might be a set to be played for half a million dollars. Fucking a. Like this one that I was watching the Justin Berbman was $240 ,000 are playing for. Fuck. Yeah. And who knows how many people gamble on the shot. That's what I'm saying.

1:59:40It's generating a lot more. Oh, it's crazy. That's when you think about like, I think it's easy to forget when you're just into like the game. Like the amount of money that changes hands week to week with the NFL. Oh, God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Billions of billions of. Billions have to. It has to be. It is such a gambling machine. Oh, yeah. And like the NFL kind of like goes like, no, it's not. It's about the gridiron. But then they also got to the point where it's like, you know, they couldn't ignore it. Because then you have sponsorships, right? Of like, there's gambling sites. Like we're the official gambling spot.

2:00:19Yeah. So it's all intermaled. Traff kings. Yeah. We're this part of it. Listen, I'm off or you've been able to do whatever the fuck you want to do. Yeah. I like it. I don't like rules that regulate people's stupidity. Mm -hmm. I think if you want to do flips on your dirt bike, you should be able to do that. Yeah. So you should also be able to gamble your life away. If you want to do that, I don't think you should. Not the, yeah. But. But I believe in, I believe in Darwinism. I believe you're supposed to let people like lose everything. Yeah. 2024, 148 .7 billion dollars gamble. That's interesting because that's what Doge found they spent on transgender animal studies.

2:01:01Exactly. No. Bro, that's so much money. 148 billion. That's like, come, listen, compared to what the United States government choose up every day. That's not the, no, that's true. This is just the United States, too. This doesn't include the other kind of. It's so crazy. And that's just football. No, no, it's all sports, but most of all sports. God be mostly football, but yeah, that's a lot of football. Well, there's been a lot of scandals with the NBA, right? Well, yeah, the, the referees, the shaving points. Donna Hay, I think this is what's the name. That was not. There's gotta be a lot of those dirt bags out there, which totally makes sense.

2:01:36And it's so funny, too, because the NBA, there's probably like, in football, there's this thing that happens where like every single down you could call holding if you wanted to, holding just happens in every play, right? Right. Every play. But what they tend to call are egregious holds, meaning that the guy who's the defender is going past you, and you see the offensive guys arm extended, pulling the jersey. Like, I would call that basketball. It is so ticky -tack what can be called and what can be ignored and what is ignored and what is called. And it's just like ref to ref. Like, there's these clear, pulming, traveling charges.

2:02:18Like, you see it sometimes, you're like, what was that? Like, fingertips, like, graze the guys aren't, and the fucking call the foul. And then somebody gets hacked. No foul, right? And it's just, you kind of go, well, that's just like in the moment of the game. And like, if that guy wants to be dirty, like the one was, you can make some money. Oh my god. Yeah. And if you're working for the mom or something like that, like, this is your job, your job is to shave points, your jobs to make sure that these guys don't score as much. They just keep calling the fouls on the other guys, sending you to the foul line.

2:02:52And keep that spread open. It's really gross, man. Yeah. It's a real problem with it with MMA, too. Is it really? Yeah. Yeah. There's a real problem with MMA with, here's a problem with MMA gambling, incompetent judging. Well, that's the thing. Is it incompetent? Or is it dirty, dirty with boxing, too? Yeah. We've never seen anything. Oh, yeah. Because like even the lay person can watch someone beat the shit out of somebody. And be like, this guy's fucking whooping this guy's hands. And then the decision goes the other way. And you're like, what happened? There's been a few decisions like that.

2:03:27There was one lady in Vegas and she got barred from ever, referee or judging fights again. So there's a few fights that she was involved with, everybody was like, what the fuck? And she was the... Yeah, we don't know. Comment denominator. I don't know if she's ever been charged. I don't want to mention her name. Yeah. But I know that there was like a real issue. It was a real issue with world title fights. Yeah. Where people are like, how the fuck is this? Because if, look if, say if like your, say it's Canelo Alvarez is fighting someone that you know he's going to win. You know he's going to be.

2:03:59But you can place a prop bet on it being a split decision. Or a majority decision. All you have to do is get one person to say it's a draw. And that's it. And like look he's going to win. He's going to win. He's going to win either way. But if I want to place a shit ton of money on this one thing, some dirty judge could score to draw. Yeah. And you just have to convince that dirty judge. Like just listen, doesn't matter, you're not affecting this guy's career. Yeah. He's going to get the win. No one's going to remember. Just make it a majority decision. Yeah. And you just got to justify why you thought I'm a big fan of defense.

2:04:40Yeah. I think the other guy just like, he blocked a lot of punches. I thought it was great. It's really it's. There's so many I feel like in combat sports. We're the judges. So subjective. But it's just for a fighter, the crazy thing is you lose half your purse. Yeah. Because like you might get you know, 100 ,000 to fight and then a hundred thousand dollars to win. And so if they they get you with a bullshit decision, you lost a hundred grand. That's because there's some hometown decision or some corruption. Yeah. It's really unique that you have a sport when you think about it where there's a subjective winner.

2:05:19Right. It's not like football. Right. We're like, every time to score. Yeah. Basketball. Ball goes in the net score. You could shave point. You could bullshit. Yeah. But if you got a if you're playing Michael Jordan, he's going to score on you. Like you what are you going to stop them? You're not going to stop them. So like the numbers he puts up or the numbers he puts up. But in boxing and in MMA, like remember when Roy Jones lost the Olympics? Do you remember that? Yes. Yes. He lost the Olympics in Korea. Yeah. And he fucked that dude up. He beat that dude from Taylor the post. That was 100%.

2:05:51It was nationalism. It was like it was in Korea. Like Koreans are very proud. And they're like, he won. Like what? Yeah. Yeah. Roy Jones Jr. in his prime in the Olympics. I mean, not even in his prime yet. Yeah. He fucked that guy up. Fuck that guy up. Yeah. And you know, there's been a few decisions like that in boxing. Where you like, how is this the one? Because I watched a video on this. I think recently too, where I was like, oh, what was the explanation where it was Kennedy, Tim, right? Is that his name? The fighter. Tim Kennedy, right? Is that his name? Sure. Fighting the Cuban guy? Yo, well, Romero.

2:06:25Yeah. Yeah. That was a bad one. That was bad. That was a bad one. Yeah. That was a, we're like, you know, I don't know if that's a referees fault or whatever, but he didn't get off of his stool. So Kennedy, Tim had rocked him real bad at the end of the round, like real bad. And then you well, came, went to his corner, wobbling, fucking out of it. And at the end of the one minute break that you're supposed to have sat on the stool, it should be, it's over. It's over. It should be. It's over. But he got an additional, I want to say more than 30 seconds to recover before he got, and then he wind up beaten Tim.

2:07:01But also psychologically for the guy who was fucking him out for Tim, it's like, no, this fight is over. You're fucking me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm getting fucked here. Yeah, yeah. And so then your brain starts to, and then you get out of your fight mindset, which has to be zen. Because he's getting into the injustice mindset. Yeah. Isn't anybody fucking doing it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there was, that was just like a, yes, oversight. Crazy. Yeah, I don't know who to, I don't want to pass blame. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, someone crazy. Yeah, it should have been in my mind, one minute, get up, are you going to get up?

2:07:35Fight's over. This guy won. Yeah, that's it. He retired on his stool. Fuck you. Yeah, fights over. That's what it should have been. I'm in my mind. Also, when the fight, when the, the round does go over one minute, the guy doesn't get up, you've, you put a burden on Kennedy that is just like, totally unfair. Totally unfair, especially when he was rocking him at the end of the round. Like this, this is like the more time he gets to recover. There's a reason why I'm boxing and we get 10 seconds. Yeah, the more time he gets to recover, the more it's possible that he can win. This is not fair. Yeah, like it's supposed to be one minute and that's it.

2:08:11If the fight doesn't restart at one minute, he's not ready. It's over. Yeah. So that's only happened once. And unfortunately for Tim, it happened to him. Yeah, that's suck. It was a bummer. Yeah, it was a bummer because you over marrow went on to, I mean, you know, I was a freak of all freaks. So like, the guy could recover. And he was also like just built like a superhero. Oh, he looked like a goddamn pit bull. Like part of the Cuban athlete program. Oh, yeah. I'm like, traps in the head. Everybody who bought him said that like hitting him hurt, hitting him. So he's like, he's made out of metal.

2:08:47They all said that. Everybody said like everybody like Robert Whitaker, who beat him twice, who was the Middaway champion. He's like every time you hit him, it hurt you. Like he's just different. Yeah. Freaky guy. Yeah. So like if Chad Ocher think of, Shinko thinks he was going to beat that guy. No. Like listen, bro. No. Like there's people like you out there that also really know how to fight. Yeah. You know, like there's like people that have that. That's a problem with like really tough guys. They think they're the only one like that. Like yeah.

2:09:19It's like you don't want to discourage that in a fighter. Because that's the thing that gets them to a championship level in the first place. Is this belief that they're just different. Yeah. Than everybody. They're the chosen one. They're destined for this. But the wake up call that those guys get when they get knocked unconscious. It's the craziest thing. It's like the reality. Like oh my god. I'm the victim now. Yeah. I am what I have been doing to other people. Someone just did to me and now it's over. That has to rock you on such a deep level. The deepest. Well, because it's also it fucks with your identity.

2:09:54Exactly. Like who you are. Oh yeah. Your worth. Your whole yeah. Your whole self worth. The girlfriend's on a track to you anymore. Yeah. She's got laid out. Yeah. Like everybody thinks of you as a loser now. Yeah. Hey, hey, it a rough one Saturday. Huh? What happened? What happened? Hey, what happened? And all your that fat, stupid fucking neighbor that's happy that you're a loser now. Yeah. Well, isn't your nine up out? Yeah. That was all of us. And you're like, he meant fuck you. Yeah. Like listen, you know, maybe fucking take a job where you're not getting punched in the head stupid. It'll get mad at me.

2:10:25Exactly. People love it when the dominator fails. Yeah, we like to, you know, it's funny because we like to like society, I think. I feel I don't know if it's just all over the world or it feels like it's kind of American. We'd love to discover someone. Mm -hmm. Ride with them. Want everyone to know this is who I've been with this person from the beginning. Mm -hmm. See them reach a certain height and then go, oh, fuck them. Fuck that guy. And then bring him down. You see it all the time. Well, because our society is infested with bitches. Like an apartment filled with roaches, our society is infested with bitches.

2:11:02And there's always going to be people that don't do their best, that don't go for things, that don't try real hard, that never put themselves out there. And so when someone does and fails, they're like, ha, ha, and they want to troll a month's ocean media. Yeah. You're not better than me. I tell so many fighters, you've got to stay offline. Because I've talked to fighters like when they're arguing with people online and I'll meet them. Oh, see, I'm going to hate them. Listen to me. I know you think you're doing like you're shutting these people up. If you ever see you, oh, fuck it's me. Yeah. Dude, I'm telling you, right now, you got to stop doing this.

2:11:36Yeah. You got to stop engaging and stop reading these things. This thing is, it's poison. You're reading poison. And it gets into your head. It gets into your head like while you're training. I'm sure. You think about it while you're training. I know it does. It's like a lot of these guys are very fragile. Because a lot of these guys got like bullied and picked on, which is why they got into fighting in the first part. Yeah. To defend themselves. And then you're getting bullied by 100 ,000 unknown anonymous 15 -year -olds. And your neighbor. Yeah. Your neighbor's hoping for your downfall. Dude, I was reading this story about this lady who, this girl, this young girl was getting like, mercilessly trolled online and she found out it was her mom.

2:12:18Yes, I saw this story. Bro. It's like incomprehensible. incomprehensible. There's monsters out there. That's a monster. To do that to your daughter. She's just jealous of her daughter's looks and popularity. Fucking crazy. That's a monster. Monsters are real. Yeah. Yeah, you can't, you know, you can't like fucking gondi everything. No. You can't, you know, sought -in -on the whole world. Ah, yummestay, nummestay. No, that's not real. No. Like there's people out there you got to kill. Yeah. This happened to like some soccer player too. I remember I watched like a doc on him. It's like kind of vague to me, but he was getting totally like mercilessly trolled and attacked by someone and it turned out to be one of his friends.

2:13:05Oh. Yeah. Marvin Gaye got killed by his dad. Yeah, that's you want to hear something crazy? I was dating this girl and I was a giant Marvin Gaye fan. I think she, I think she didn't like it. That I was a giant. She was a kind of a cut. She's kind of a cut. And one of the things that she said was like imagine how bad of a person he was that his own father killed him. And I was like, that's your perspective. That's what you kind of this. That she was such a bad person. Like what, what could he have done for your that would have just justified his father shooting him and killing him. I'll tell you what he did.

2:13:41He fucking outshown his father. Yeah, that's what he did. He reached levels of love that his father couldn't possibly have achieved in his life and his father realized I'll never be as good as my son, fuck my son and he hated him because of that. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there's probably a bunch of other stuff involved too. But that's dark man. Dark. You shot your son. You shot your son. And your son is not like your son was trying to kill you. No. And you had to defend yourself and shoot him. No, he's a he's just an amazing singer that the whole world loved. Yeah. And he probably has a bitch ass friend.

2:14:15Yeah, look at you man. Yeah, you son Marvin's killing it and you're just a fucking loser. Fucking kid. What was the, because I always knew that the father like did it was it like a clear cut, like homicide. Oh yeah, father just shot him. And there was a it was an interesting thing because I think what it happened with Marvin Gaye was Marvin had achieved like incredible fame. But he got fucked over in some record deal where he had like no money. Yeah, I think he had like everybody in that era. So fucking predator. You want to talk about predatory. The worst. The music business is like the most disgusting.

2:14:55You ever read the thing the Courtney Lover wrote about it? About the music business. A lot of people don't even think she wrote it because it's too good. But it was essentially a breakdown of how bad the music business fucks you. Yeah, and this is at a time where you actually sold records. Tons of them sometimes. Yeah, because now the music business like it's like the mask is off. Like it doesn't provide any value. And they still take 50 % of your touring, which is. Curr touring. Yeah, 50, 50. They do 50, 50 deals, merch touring. Yeah. And then what are they going to do? What do they provide? They can't even get you on the radio because the radio doesn't exist.

2:15:28Yeah. Like, you know, that's why people that break through from that model, like Oliver Anthony or, you know, Ty with the creators, a great example, like just makes his own stuff, puts it all in. And it doesn't have to be. People don't even realize that in that era too, you would after your tour, after your tour, and your hit album that you'd be in debt. Oh yeah. To the record companies. They're like, you got to do another album. Oh yeah, and the record companies all rich. Yeah. Everyone's profiting. And then also, they want you to subsidize the failures. Yeah. All these boy bands that they pushed that never made it.

2:16:01Yeah. All the money that they put into that. That's a part of the accounting. So insane. And then Hollywood does the same thing. They would do the same thing with like, how much money a movie made. Yeah. Like, there's been tons of lawsuits. Yeah. They're involved that kind of stuff. Wait, but where were you with Marvin? You're like, he's broke. Yeah, so he, if I remember this story correctly, it was so depressing. I didn't want to like really get into it. Because I think he had become huge superstar and then didn't have any money, which is, that's happened more than once. Yeah. And I think he might have had to move back in with his parents.

2:16:39No. Yeah. I think that's really. Yeah. I think that's the story. See if you can find that. I'm looking, I don't know. I mean, it says he bought his data. Cadillac, this is years later though. Right, but the thing is, he might have bought a money when the money was flowing in. And then after a while, that's the other thing that happens with artists. Like artists are impulsive. So they spend all their money. Yeah. And then they don't really, how many artists get given a Mercedes Benz by the head of a label and they think, oh, shit, I'm killing it. Meanwhile, it's a lease car. Yeah. And they're just siphoning money out of you.

2:17:18Someone's writing that loss. Yeah, you're just getting fucked. You're getting fucked left and right and right and left. You know, and all they do is sell art. You know, they're all they do is sell art. They don't make any of it and they make more money than anybody. That's really, it's so quick. People didn't know because now if you are into music, whatever, you don't realize how much it was a thing to have music videos, right? Like that used to be such the biggest thing. And a lot of artists, especially like the young artists, didn't even know that they were paying for the music video. So like the label would be like, go shoot your video.

2:17:51And they'd be like, cool. It's a million dollars. And they'd be like, great. And then they're like, oh, no, you're going to pay for that. But they tell them later, we got to deduct that million. They're like, wait, what? They're not sophisticated. No. They're not finance majors. Which is what we're talking about earlier. You should learn that. Yeah, you have school. No idea that you're like, wait, I thought you guys are paying for this. Yeah. No, it's kind of funny that the video, like everything is visual. You know, like everything's visual. Now there's so much video that people watch, but yet music videos kind of went away.

2:18:20I know. Except Kanye. Except for Kanye. That one we definitely also. And the new one looks like you made it for $40. Yeah. Like it doesn't, it's pretty. I mean, it's like you got a drone and a bunch of people. Yeah. And he had like the black light kind of effect. Doesn't seem like that cost a lot of money. No, I don't think that's probably cost a lot. You can make things now too for so much less. Oh, with AI. So accessible. Yeah. With AI, you don't even have to have the actual people doing it. Yeah. That's true. Which is really crazy. Like what you could do now is, now it's my daughter was showing me some stuff that you could do with just photographs.

2:18:54Where she could take photographs. And then she throws them through this filter and then they're dancing around and moving. And you're like, this is nuts. Yeah. So all you need is a photograph. And especially if you chose to have like effects in it, like some sort of psychedelic fucking weird things, where things morph and change. It could all be done with AI now. That's incredible. Easily. Well, there's articles out about some studio. Maybe it's here in Texas. I got the somebody sent me the link to this. That this company wants to, yeah, they want to start making studio quality movies for 500k AI movies.

2:19:37I bet they can make it cheaper than that. But that's, yeah. These are, I mean, that's... They'll probably have AI write the script, man. I mean, if you're thinking about some dumb ass fucking cop movie, you know, some silly bank -hized movie, you got a hero who's gonna go in and fucking kill the bad guys. That's another cost. You could write that easy with just take all AI I asked to do. It's a large language model, right? It always just searched through Steve McQueen movies and Tom Hardy movies and fucking Guy Richie movies. Put it together. Make me a movie. No, it bums me out though. Like, I don't want to box that movie.

2:20:18It should. Yeah. What is this? This is the company. It's the first piece they made and shows a little bit about how they made it. The woman with red hair. Yeah. They still are doing it. Also, they have actors. They have real actors. It's in their replaced. God damn, like look, it looks so good. It looks so good. Like, that's not a real person. Isn't that crazy? Well, she does. It's the uncanny valley. It looks a little weird. But getting better all the time and the only reason why it looks weird is because it's so well lit. Like, if you wanted to do it like, Sin City style. There's no, like Sin City if Robert Rodriguez wanted to do Sin City today.

2:20:54The whole thing could be a, no one would know. No. That's crazy. Yeah. These are all fake people. And dude, just a few years ago, you couldn't do hair. Hair was weird. Right. You know? And so we're like extremities. Yeah. Yeah. Now, I mean, just in a short amount of time, it's incredible. Why is that, that's so interesting. Why are fingers? Like, it's a good question. And fingers. Hair seems like it would take a lot of computing power. Right. Because you have, you have strands, single strands moving. Her hair is not moving. It's pretty static. Yeah, but it's no. It isn't. Go back. No, no, I'm saying that.

2:21:30But it is all moving. Not the way it would. It would. If, yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, it's moving. It's like almost like a little bit of a helmet. Like, that would be a tell. Like, it's a little bit of movement, but not enough. Right. A little bit of bounce. But not like, it's all spray painted. Like, is if, if your hair was like sprayed with a shit ton of hair spray, we couldn't move it all. That would kind of make sense. But it's not moving. So they all need that scene at the beginning of every of their movies. this is good. Always do it.

2:22:01It's tough to do too. What is tough? Getting a good font. That does, you know, I can't read anything. In a movie, you probably wouldn't need it. But when you're looking for AI stuff, you would say like look at it. Interesting. Yeah, look at that. Like, look at that font. It looks like ancient, like, Sumerian text or something. Like some interesting. Lost language. Yeah. Like that one and the, the fingers and toes thing is like, I just wonder what the explanation is for that. Because that's a tell in photographs too, right? And you see a photo, you could be like, oh, look, that's got like six fingers.

2:22:33Well, remember that lady, the English lady that was missing, was her Kate. She was missing forever. She's like supposedly with sick Kate Middleton. She was sick. And then there was a photo that was released of her. Look, she's fine. Everybody's like, no, this is fucking AI. Like in the photo, like, people had six fingers and shit. Like, that's weird stuff. That's weird shit. In the photo, there was like weird, clearly edited. Yeah. It's going to get way spookier. Way, way spookier. We're just touching it right now. It's just started. This is the infant's. It's just the surface. Yeah. It's going to be real weird.

2:23:08Like actors should really save their money. You're going to be useless in a short amount of time. I agree. And also, if you have any type of, you know, recognition to you now, you got to like get your image, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, like, how are you going to stop trying now from just making Mel Gibson movies? No, you're definitely not. You're not going to. They're just going to be like, I don't care. Yeah, fuck you. We're going to make a Mel Gibson one. It's 35 movie. Fuck off. It's going to play a here. We don't care. It's the fuck off. We're going to put it online.

2:23:39What are you going to do? It's so. It's really run through 30 different shell companies. You're never going to find who made it. Yeah, yeah. Totally. And it's going to get to a point where it's going to be virtual. So it's like, it's going to be inside people's heads. You're going to be able to exist inside the movie. Things are going to get so strange. And they're going to be so immersive so quickly. Yeah. That the Matrix is a decade away, the real matrix, where. The real question is. Where you're in the Amazon and you are barefoot and you feel the ground under your feet. Yeah. And you hear the monkeys and the birds and the bugs and the trees.

2:24:17And you hear the sound of a panther nearby. Like that's going to be real. It's going to be real and you're going to be like, why do I even want to go back to real life? Partake in the real world. Like what's that guy's name? Joey Pants from fucking the Matrix when he's eating the eating the steak is like, I want to be important. I want to be an important person. Yeah. That's what people want to do. They'd rather be an important person in the Matrix. That's so true, man. And we might be in that right now. That's the real mind fuck. The real mind fuck is if they can eventually create an artificial reality that's indesertible, how do you know whether or not you're an idiot?

2:24:54And you don't. Well, you wouldn't. Yeah. If it's... There's a lot of evidence that we are. That we're in it now? Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of evidence that reality as we know it is not real. That it's too weird. Quantum entanglement, quantum particles being in superposition. The fact that at a subatomic level, everything is kind of magic. Like, nothing makes any sense. Also, that when you observe things, it changes the behavior of subatomic particles. Like, what's that all about? What does that mean? Like, no one really knows. So I'm experiencing this in an altered reality. I think consciousness might be responsible for reality, instead of consciousness is experiencing reality.

2:25:46I think it might be both things. I think it might be consciousness is experiencing reality as well as consciousness is responsible for reality. How much of a mind fuck would it be if somebody unplugged you right now? You're like this whole thing you've been doing. Pretty mind -fucking. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, I don't mean if anybody should believe in it. It's me. Like, I don't know. How is it possible that my life was like this? Yeah. Right. Does it make any sense? Yeah. I'm just like, kindling it in a video game. Yeah. Does it make any sense? Doesn't make sense. No, but does it make sense? This is why I like for a fighter.

2:26:19Like, the loss must be so fucking unbelievably devastating. It's like the equivalent, right? It's over. Yeah. Like, can you see champions? They keep coming back and keep getting knocked out. You're like, no. Don't do it again. Fuck. You know? Yeah. Just like they can't believe it's over. You don't want to see it again. They can't believe it's over. But I was, I was, I was the winner of the game. Yeah. I won the game. I was winning the game. Nope. Not anymore. No. Now reality is shifted. And now on top of it, you've got brain damage. Oh, fuck. Boy. That's worse than the version we get. Oh, it's the worst.

2:26:57Yeah, that's the worst version. Your brain damage is the worst because now the way you interface with reality might be damaged, sort of like a car with a bad suspension on the highway with the wheel shaking now. Like the way you interface with the universe itself. Change is completely. Yeah. So you're, you're taking a gamble. The highest amount of glory possible is like winning fights in front of the whole world. I mean, I would only imagine that like becoming a UFC champion and they, you know, put that belt on your waist and the whole crowd's like, yeah, and people at home like, fuck yeah. Yeah, yeah.

2:27:30Fucking he did it. Holy shit. Holy texture friends. What a fight. Holy shit. The love that person gets. The accomplishment that person gets. But the price is you're risking the way you interface with reality itself. The brain. You're risking the brain. And you might get out of it like George St. Pierre, you know, George St. Pierre, fine. Handsome, wealthy. Yeah. Perfect like intellectually. You're the man still. Bro still the man. Yeah. Like, you know, whenever I talked to him is like Joe Rogan, I was things. Everything is great. Buddy's all happy. You're like, boy, you fucking really pulled it off.

2:28:09You really pulled it off. You became a two division world champion. One of the greatest fighters of all time. And you're fine. Talk me now in the bad boys. Yeah, man. I forgot about them, rogues. I like those. Yeah. Thank you. The, um, but for most, it's going to end badly. Yeah. And the most, the craziest part to me is how many of those guys you go, hey, if you could go back, you know, we just changed things and they're like, no, some of them like go, I, I love the glory so much. Like you see it in fighting, you see it like in the NFL. For some of them like, no, I'll accept the identity. Yeah.

2:28:44The identity is so huge. The identity, like to be a special person. There's not, you don't get to be a special person. Most people don't get to be a special person. And a special fighter is a different kind of special person. Yeah. It's like, that's a guy who took the craziest of risks. Like we all know and you know better than anybody. How vulnerable the human body is because of your surgery and your injuries. Fucking horrible. So like, imagine if you had a fight and now like, you were a big time fighter and you hurt yourself playing basketball with Bert Kreischer. Oh my god. And then you got to build yourself back up to fight again, but you kind of know that your left arm is kind of still fucked a little bit.

2:29:22Yeah. No, you never like, no matter how far you get from it, you still have the voice in there. Oh yeah. More so now, right? Because you like, I never had that voice before. Oh yeah. Yeah. Watch out. Yeah. Be careful. Yeah. Don't do that. And I, you know, I've had three knee surgeries and I like, I'm having a problem with this left knee that I really hurt. The last time I heard it pretty bad with skiing and the last time I ski because I cracked the bone. It's at the top of the tibia. But and then I probably messed up the cartilage and shit in there too. But it's still better than most people's knees.

2:30:00Like it's better than a regular knee. Like, like people like how how bad is your knee? Like it's not fucked up. Like a pair of your knees, like a regular person's knees. Yeah, because you have a kid. I need my knee to be able to kick 60 miles an hour and do a bag of sand. Yeah. Like I'm requiring different things from my knees. Sure. And I need more people. But I know. It's not the same. Yeah. And if you were a fighter and you know you got a bum knee, like even if nobody can tell while you're moving around. But you know. And you know your hand breaks easier now. And you know your neck hurts. And you know you got a pinch nerve.

2:30:35And you know your lower back gives out sometimes. And you know, you know your kidneys kind of hurt because you cut weight for too many years. It sounds like you know you shouldn't be fighting. And you know and you know your memory's not so good anymore. And also you know you can't take a punch anymore. Like a lot of guys know that they get the used to be able to take a great punch. But now you can't get hit. So now you're gunshot. Yeah. You know. Did you see Devin Haney's fight last weekend? No. He fought like you know Ryan Garcia fucked him up in the last fight. And then he dropped him a bunch of times.

2:31:03Yeah. And this fight like it looks like he's done. Like he's moving around just like it was just constantly moving. The fight. This time. I forget the gentleman's name. But there were rounds where neither one of them landed a punch. The whole round. The whole round. And Garcia that's the one where he was he won the fight but then there was all this bullshit. He tested positive for some sort of performance enhancing metabolite at a very low level by the way. Like not a level where it would be performance enhancing. Yeah. So I don't know what happened. He says he didn't take anything. What ended up happening with the decision or the person or whatever?

2:31:42He got it. He became in no contest. Oh he became in no contest. Yeah. And I think he's also getting sued because you know is Devon Haney claimed that he won because he was on steroids and that's a bad look. But you could tell it like mind -fucked Devon Haney. And a lot of people like totally are writing off Devon Haney now. Which is crazy. Because I remember when he beat Kim Bosa so I was like damn Devon Haney slick. He's so good. And now like that guy is just he was just moving constantly and still very skilled boxer. But it just shows you like one devastating loss. Or an undefeated fighter can fuck you up.

2:32:19Yeah. And some guys they come back and they're fine. You know like Garcia for instance like Dervante Davis fucked him up. He came back and he was fine. Yeah. But then this weekend that weekend rather he fought Rolli Romero and Romero dropped him and he lost the decision. So they were going to like set up a big rematch and now nobody wants to see the rematch because they both lost. They both lost. Well actually Devon didn't lose. He won a decision but he lost public credibility because it was a very boring fight. Still incredibly skillful boxer. World champion boxer like very good boxer. But even the commentary like Antonio Tarver was like I don't like the way he's moving.

2:32:57His footwork seems erratic. Like everything is like he needs to settle down. They Jose Rameras. Yeah. But Haney won this fight. Yeah he won a decision. Yeah okay. But it was the fans lost. And this was this big event in Times Square. This is also a big event because Turkey, Alashic, the guy from Saudi Arabia, his excellence is the guy was dumping incredible amounts of money into boxing so that he can get these guys to fight each other. So he's put it and he's like what do you need for the fight? How much to make this fight happen? Like I need 10 million dollars. Like done. And like what? Like fuck I should ask for 20.

2:33:38It's that kind of a situation because the Saudis have so much money. So Oscar De LaHoyah was talking about this and he was saying these guys are spoiled and they're afraid to risk anything. Right. Because the money so much, which is so interesting. Like you need a guy who's really to risk it all to really fucking go for it. And these guys aren't willing to do that. And I think the Devon Haney thing, it's one of those things where you see a guy who is an unbelievably skilled fighter but loses one fight and they're just not the same. Not the same. And Jervante is still killing it. But he had that fight with Lamont Roach where it was a draw.

2:34:17And there was a legit draw. And you know, you could even make the argument that Roach won that fight. And they're going to fight again. That should be very interesting. But I think it's also for boxers, there's a situation where you can only keep up the RPMs for so long. All the greats, they just there's a certain amount of times that you can keep training, a certain amount of times you can keep competing. And like we're talking about like your arm, you know it's kind of fucked up. That happens with them too. Like the ankles are bad, something's bad. Like I can't do the same level of out -cut.

2:34:46Yeah, it's not the same. They're not who they used to be. They might look the same, but they can't do what they could do five years ago, six years ago. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard. It's a hard sport, man. And but it's also because the glory is so high if you're successful. Super willing to do it. Yeah. Very crazy though. Yeah. Thank God, that's not how we make a living. Thank God. Dude, if the UFC was around when I was competing, I 100 % would have done it. And then imagine how dumb I would be now, if it was seven years old. Oh, I'd be a mess. A lot of staring. Oh, I'd be a lot of like drooling. So hey, you look good.

2:35:23You lose the weight. You lose the weight. You lose the weight you're doing. You cause a... You dieting? Yeah. My brain would be like a four cylinder engine. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, fucked up. No, it's good. It's good you didn't get into that, dude. It is, but I think I got the right amount of brain damage. Yeah, you've said it to me before. I think so. I think there's just a certain amount that you get that makes you just a little reckless. Just a little crazy. Yeah, just a touch. I just got to just a touch of brain damage that allows me to be... I like taking... I enjoy risks. Yeah.

2:35:55Like, I like them. They're fun. Me too. Did you just fall on your head? Yeah, I had a couple devastating... Yeah. A couple bad ones. I bet it helped. I think I have some frontal lobe damage. And, yeah, I think it has something to do with it. I do it. I like calculated risks. Yeah. I mean, I think if you take this career path, you enjoy risks. Clearly. Yeah. But also, you don't have any choices. Yeah. Like, my thought was a little nose. First I was like, I can't work. I can't do it. But I know I can do things. But I can't show up and do a job all day for the rest of my life. I don't have that in me.

2:36:33I'm allergic to it. I didn't like... I was a latchkey kid. So, like, I didn't get a lot of like, you gotta do this, you gotta do that. So the problem is like, I develop not having people telling me what to do. So I can't listen. I think every comic has that thing too. Like, I can't have a boss. Also, I was around enough bosses that were just total cuts and douchebags that I just like, in my mind, the boss is an asshole. Always. Every time he's unappreciative, fucking idiot, who you gotta listen to him because he's responsible for your paycheck and he knows it. So he gets to act like a douchebag and you can't go, hey man, fuck you.

2:37:12Who are you talking to? Why do you talk to people like that? You fucking idiot. Yeah. You can't because he's the boss. He's the boss. No, it sets you up for like, I'll figure it out away. I think if I hadn't done this, I would have, I definitely think I would have started my own business of some kind. Yeah, I mean, they've been an entrepreneur of some kind. Yeah, you would have had to. Yeah. But that's, you know, how many people don't or they get roped in and then they have a bunch of responsibilities like family. No, it's a fucking, yeah. I mean, now we're at the age two where you like, you can look back on 25 years of people you know.

2:37:46Oh my god. Who are like miserable. Oh my god. People that are in hell. Yeah, in hell. In hell. Yeah. While we're fucking killing it. Yeah, but you know, it's really crazy. And fun things. Yeah. Is when people get out of standup and then they see everybody doing real well and they want to jump back in. And it's been like, I've gotten some messages from some friends that I know they have been on standup in a decade. And I'm like, you can't just get. You can't just jump back in. No. Well, if you do, like you got to like start from the beginning. Yeah. And start doing open mic nights again. Like you've been in the writer's room just doing writing for a sitcom.

2:38:24No, fucking eight years. You lose your footing so much in that time. It's a different. It's a different like sometimes I've had, you know, a week off, two weeks off, even a month or something off. Where you're like, oh, like you're, you have sea legs. Like you're just like, whoa, I can't imagine 10 years. Dude, it happened to a lot of writers when they got in the strike. You know, when the strike was going on, like how long did that strike go on for? God, it was months long -ass time. And these guys have mortgages and their kids are in private school and their wife likes to spend money. Yeah, fuck.

2:38:55And they're used to making, you know, half a million a year. I don't do one real good. And then also it all dries up and like, oh, fuck. And then they're saving his account and the wife's like, what are you gonna do? Like a fuck. I think I'm gonna start doing stand -up again. Like then they start trying to put together an act and they want to show up and then the club doesn't know who they are anymore. Oh, God. Oh, you're a little society. Scary. Scary feeling. It's the worst. But it's like this decision that you make in life. Like what are you going to do? Like what are you going to do with your life?

2:39:28Those are personal decisions, which is why they're like this whole free will versus determinism thing drives me crazy. Because these people that want to believe there is no such thing as free will. Like yeah, you can do that cute little thing, but you know that free will's real because you know that you decide to get up in the morning. Yeah. Like you tell me jelly roll didn't have free will to lose that 200 pounds. No shit. Yeah, perfect example. Yeah, like that's hard to do. You're 400 plus pounds. You're fat as fuck. You're drinking and party and every night and then one day you put your foot down.

2:40:03And you know that shit. Yeah, that's enough. I'm getting, I'm going to get healthy. That's free will. Like what you're telling me, determinism like forced him into a position at 39 years old where is all of a sudden going to decide to lose all this way and has nothing to do with his free will. That's silly. Will's a real thing. Course. And we all have it and you can just deny it. But it's why I don't know anything that you get you accomplish that's work is through free will. It's through making choices. But then there is also a certain amount of determinism. If you grow up in a terribly abusive household and you're around drug addicts and violence and then you go and commit that.

2:40:47It's almost like you have no other examples you're true. It's I get that but you still make a choice. You do but you don't even know what a good choice is. That's never even seen a good choice. That's a valuable analysis that like you had a horrible modeling. So you're just following a path you think is the only path. And some of those guys get involved in athletics. Some of those guys get lucky and they become a fighter or maybe they get lucky and they become musician or maybe they get lucky and they become something else or a comic. Yeah. Yeah. But it's just the choices that you make in this life or you don't know if it's the right choice while you're doing it while you're making that choice.

2:41:29I'm about to find out whether to make in this TV show or the right choice. No, I find out. Do you have the piss? It seems like you're wiggling. I got a piss. I do it. Should we wrap it up? Sure. Listen, what you showed me is amazing. Thanks man. I'm sure it's going to be fucking bad thoughts. When is it out? It's Tuesday. So tomorrow tomorrow. Yeah. Fuck yeah. It's the stuff that I saw was amazing. It's fucking hilarious. Thanks a lot. I'm glad you're doing stuff, man. I'm just glad you're out there. I'm beautiful to see. I'm very excited for it. I'll tell you it really, I know it's an overused term but it really was a dream come true to do it.

2:42:04Well, you could tell. You could tell by how well it came out. It's so ridiculous. It's so you. It's such a signature Tom Segura type of humor. Thanks man. It's awesome. I'm excited for it. Thanks for having me on, man. My pleasure, my brother. All the time. I was just loving to death. I didn't see that. Bye everybody. See you.

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Tom Segura is a stand-up comedian, actor, podcaster, and author. He co-hosts two podcasts: “Your Mom’s House” with his wife, comedian Christina Pazsitzky, and “Two Bears, One Cave” with Bert Kreischer. He is also the author of “I’d Like to Play Alone, Please: Essays.” Watch his comedy series, “Bad Thoughts,” now streaming on Netflix.www.ymhstudios.com

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