#2321 - Dr. Zahi Hawass

31:23Do you write from Nubia, basalt from Fayum, white lime stone from Torah? The Egyptian had everything. So they essentially cut a second canal, they cut a canal just so they can move the stones to where they wanted them. And they discovered all of this and this is published. If you write Zeya, how was it? And so this was all the casing stones. Exactly. Is it possible that the casing stones were put on later? No, after you're finished building the pyramid. There is two important things when they're finished building the pyramid. I discovered in a site called Abusir. I discovered two scenes. One scene, where command the reggaed capstone?

32:09Above the capstone is a hieroglyphic word called Jain. So where is this? Where is this? This is in Hieroglyphs? Yes. Is this dragging the capstone? Yes. Do we see this? Find out. I don't know if it's internet. I'm not going to tell you. What did Jami look for? Look for Zeya, how was discovery in Abusir? How much do you think was lost during the burning of the Library of Alexandria? A lot, of course. Everything, right? Everything. And this is why what I'm telling you, based, I have been excavating in Giza Joe for the last 57 years. I know every piece of sand in the site. And I want to tell you one thing also.

32:51I am the only Egyptologist who have an open mind. Really? I always look. Yes, I always look at what the public say. And I will tell you about this later. I will tell you what I found in the pyramid. But let me finish this story. And after that I will come back to tell you how I look at what people say and I try to investigate this. Now, I put the stones on a cargo boat. And we came in the boat to Giza Plateau. The workmen took the stones up to the pyramid. We slept overnight at Giza. I got up early in the morning with my workmen, wanted to Torah. He made many times talking about that. Then he said, I wanted to sign I to bring cover and turquoise.

33:44But he said in sign I, our big boss, his name is Ancaf. We know from text that the architect who designed the great pyramid was Gufus cousin. His name was Hem Ionoh. Then actually it seems now that Hem Ionoh died. An Ancaf completed the great pyramid and built the second pyramid of his son, Keferin. Then he said, I'm working in year 27 of Gufus Reyn. He mentioned that Gufus was alive in year 27. How long do you think he rained for? 28 years. I published an article. I published an article about you can find this article. Why? Why was the age 23, 23 years? Why was that attributed to them? No. This is a good question.

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35:50We're all better with help. Visit BetterHelp .com slash JRE to get 10 % off your first month. That's BetterHelpHELP .com slash JRE. The subtlerist has a problem when they count the name of the king. Because when the inscriptions count to the cattle, they counted the name of the king. Sometimes they count the cattle every year. Sometimes they counted the cattle every two years. Then we make mistakes. But now we have year 27 of Coffins rain. And we have on the second boat bit that the Japanese are restoring now. We know when the king died his son buried him. Then Coffins son, his name is Jere Frey, who did not respect his father.

36:40And I will tell you why. He buried his father in year 28. Then we know now for sure that Coffin ruled for 28 years.

36:56Now, may it say something that made me very happy. Because 25 years ago I wrote an article to say that Memphis was not the capital of Egypt. I said that the king ruled Egypt from the pyramid. If the pyramids is Abrawas, the king ruled Egypt from Abrawas. If the pyramids in Giza, Giza Abu Seir Sakkara, then Mary said something. Many people do not believe me when I wrote this article. But Mary said Coffin lived in his palace at Giza. If he lived in a palace at Giza means with the royal family, the public and the government. And he said that the area that Coffin lived in it in the pyramid called Ank -Kufu in Aruglyphic means the Coffin lives.

37:54This is the name of the city that Coffin lived in it. And Mary said we came to Giza in an area in Aruglyph called Ra -Shay. And Ra -Shay means literally mouth of the lake. This could be the entrance of Giza plateau. But what really strange, he said it took me almost one day for me and my workmen to come to the pyramid. Why? Because Giza entrance was busy. Every stone coming in has to be counted. Every workmen has to sign the first letter of his name. And this why if you go today to the port of New York, it will take you five hours to enter because it's busy. And this is what happened at Giza plateau.

38:45This papari in my opinion is really one of the most important discoveries that tells us for the first time about building the pyramid. And now we come to the ring of Coffu to empty eight years and now the stones of the great pyramid. I looked everywhere to find out how they counted the stones. That people said it's two million and a 300 thousand blocks. I found no evidence. It's only when the Arabs came. You know all the theories that the UH people say now it came from the Arabs. When the Arabs came and they entered the pyramid, they said all this nonsense stories about the pyramids. Then I never found any place to tell me how they cut the stones.

39:38But now we have evidence that the base of the pyramid is to empty feet high of solo drug no stones. In 2010 I brought a team scientist from every field and we recounted the stones based on the new evidence. And we found out that the stones of the pyramid are only more than one million. And the average height of the limestone is half a ton to two and a half tons. So the base of the pyramid is 20 feet high carved into solid stone. And then the other rocks were placed on top of it. No, I want to come to when you told me about this capstone because you did not complete the capstone. Let's start off with this though.

40:28The base is 20 feet high and then the estimation was two million, three hundred thousand. But you think it's far less than that because of the new discovery that we found that the base is made of the solid rock. So before they thought the base was individual stones. So now that you know that the base is solid rock that removes one million three hundred thousand stones. So they carved this base knowing they were going to put a pyramid on top of it. And what about the subterranean chambers? Every king in Egypt is buried underneath the pyramid. Every king except Kufu and his father Sinepro. The only two kings they are not buried underneath is Kufu and his father.

41:17If you look at the one chamber underneath it was cut and built. If you go down it's left unfinished. They have to unfinished in what way? It was planned to cut it but they did not complete it. You can see when you go down the barrier chamber is not finished. Why? Why? Because I found out in our research every king is horus on earth. When the king died he became the sangha. Okay? Kufu in year five he said I am the sangha. And he abandoned the construction of the ferristh barrier chamber and he built his chamber within the pyramid because he is the god. And that is the queen's chamber correct? No the first one.

42:14I am going to come to this chamber later. Okay. And the second evidence that he called his pyramid Akheth Kufu means the horizon of Kufu. And the only one in the horizon is the sangha. And the third evidence is something that only occurred at Giza. The things and its symbol. I found that the things represent Kepferin, the son of Kufu, giving offering which is two poles to his father. The sangha, Kufu, who rises and sits in this temple, the first sun temple. And this why Kufu's pyramid is unique among the 120 pyramids and I will tell you what I discovered inside the pyramid now. Okay. Now, before I tell you about what I discovered I have to complete the scene that I told you.

43:20That I found workman dragging a capstone. You remember you asked me that you stopped on that. Above the capstone there is a horrific word called Jaim. And Jaim means white and yellow gold. A second scene I found, ladies dancing. And they called them the Hener. And the Hener are the dance troupe of the king. My interpretation of these two scenes. When the pyramid was finished the king asked the workman to put the capstone in the top of the pyramid. When they put the capstone in the top of the pyramid, Kised to his gold, the whole country danced and sing because the king became a god. That's what I call the national project of the whole nation.

44:15The three millions who lived in Egypt in the time of the whole kingdom, all of them participated in building the pyramid to make the king a god. This is your theory. Not a theory. No. It's a fact. It is a fact. The pyramid was the national project. No, that's not what I mean. I mean, it's your theory that the capstone was put on. It's not a theory. It's based on evidence. I found the scenes. The papari. No, the papari is something else. What are the words? It's blocks. Blah. Lime is stone blocks. One scene, workman dragig a capstone, with the word jime. Is this written in limestone blocks? Is this what you're saying?

44:57No, it's show. The workman dragig a stone. Show it where? In the stone that they discovered. So it's carved into the stone. Exactly. And the word jime in hieroglyphic above that. Where is that at? It's an abuser. There, I found it. But are there photographs online? Yes. In my book, I don't go online. Who I have to go online? I go to my book. No, I understand. But for everybody else, that doesn't have immediate access to your book. Did you find them online? It's called the abuser blocks. Abuser. A. B. As in boy. How do you think they got the stones from the King's Chamber? 500 miles away and put them 120 feet up and up in the ceiling.

45:43It's, I told you, if you come today and see how the workman move to empty tons of granite, you'll understand. Workers today. Yes, today, like yesterday. The same workman. Okay. Right. No, no. Listen, listen, listen. If they're doing it today, they'll access the modern machine. If you don't, no. They don't. No, it's everything based on the idea of the National Project. They want to make this for the King. I understand the National Project. Now, no, no, no. No, no, no. If physics involves moving, if you don't, if you don't, if you don't, if you don't believe on this. I know it's not that I don't believe.

46:21I just want to know inside this block, inside, hold on. It's not that I don't believe. I want you to explain to me how you think they did it. I explained to you from 500 miles away. From 50 to 80 tons of blocks. This comes through the Nile. You can bring all the stones. Right. We have mountains, right? No, the Quares, the Granite Quares in Aswan. And we have cutting of the Obliscus and cutting of the stones. Right. And cutting of everything in the site. And they brought in, when the flood comes in July, they bring boards through the flood. They bring out all of the stones to give them a plateau.

46:56They plan things for the floods. And then they would figure out some sort of a raft system to get them on and then move them that way. Now, if we now do not believe that this cannot be moved by human being, okay? But on the other side, what I can tell you, inside, above this blocks, written the names of the gangs who built the pyramid, above the King's chamber. One of the names, friends of Huffo, I did a 3D few months ago. And we recorded in the five chambers that has this huge blocks. We found two more names of the gangs. One name called those who are connected with the goodest wadjah. And written year 13 of Gophuz Reyn on the third chamber.

47:51I took Mr. Beast with me two months ago. I took him and I showed him how these blocks, they were written by the workmen before they moved the stones. And in the fourth room, we have the good gut, another name, was year 13 of Gophuz Reyn. This is when they moved the stones. So I understand what you're saying. So you're saying that they took these stones, they waited for the flood season, they got these stones on rafts, they moved them down the river, they got them to the site. How did they get them 120 feet in the air? You know, again, this is the most important thing, this is the national project.

48:32Oh, I understand, I was very valued to them, I just wondered what technology was used. No, technology. Well, technology is tools, technology is levers, technology that they had at the time was the current knowledge. The huge wooden istigious. Huge wooden istigious. This is the only way that today we move huge stones. This how my workmen moved 20 times sarcophagus in a tomb. How far did they move it? They moved it just a few feet away. But we have scenes of how workmen move 60 times statue. How they move with the istigious. And they draw it. Yeah, I've seen those scenes. Yeah, then we have all this type of scene that they're Egyptian.

49:21So that, again, this is the national project. Do you think they wet the ground? Like, what did you think that they did something like that to make the ground more slick so they can do it? Yes. And then do they are they using sleds like how do they get sledges? Wooden istigious. And then you just, slowly but surely pulled it into position. We have this in the tombs. This wooden istigious. Yeah. But let me take you now to what I began to reveal the secret of Gufur pyramid. Okay. As I told you again, I always listen to what people say and I try to prove them if they're right or not. I was interested in the great pyramid most of my life because I was an inspector of the pyramid director of I spent most of my life there.

50:16Then I closed this pyramid for a year to stop humidity. To stop humidity? Because every person, all the breathing, and exactly, and then said the pyramid gives about 20 grams of water. And this water becomes salt. Then mechanically I removed the salt. They are cleaning the walls. Exactly. And after that I thought, how can I make a ventilation system of the pyramid? In the Kingy chamber and the Queeny chamber, you have this tunnel, 20 -20 cm only. Small tunnel. Then I thought I should clean these tunnels. Then I can make a ventilation system. I had no idea of what I'm going to find out. Which find out?

51:11Then I hired a German robot. And we took the German robot to the Kingy chamber. We are sitting in the Kingy chamber with a TV screen. And the robot entered in the shaft. We found out that the interior of the pyramid, the stones were interplayed. And this why when the Arabs came to Egypt. And they said man, first time and time first pyramids. Then we found out that this shaft went outside. Then we put a fan here. And the fan sucked the air and pushed it in the tunnel. And we made a ventilation system in the pyramid.

52:01So then discovery of these stones. What was unusual about the way they were placed?

52:10Interlocked. Interblocked. Yes. Like that. Oh, like fingers. Okay. So there's like different levels and they all slid in together. They, how they put the stones. This episode is brought to you by Farmer's Dog. It doesn't matter how old your dog is. It's always a great time to start investing in their health and happiness. And thankfully, the Farmer's Dog makes it easier than ever to feed your dog a healthy diet of real meat and veggie. Dogs prefer their food, even picky dogs, and owners prefer their service. If you have a question about your dog, your plan, your delivery, or anything else, they have 24 -7 customer service that connects you to real humans who are genuinely interested in providing the best experience possible for you and your dog.

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55:14After 60 feet, the robot stopped because the tunnel was bending to the lift. And the German robot could not bend. Then we took the robot to the south tunnel. The robot went for 200 feet, stopped in front of a door which took cover handles. That was the first discovery. Now I began to think how can I find out what's behind this door. In 2002, I was chosen by the National Geographic as explorer in residence. We're nine explorers. With them, with us was Bill Billerth, who found Titanic. Each explorer had a dream. I told them I need you to design a robot for me. I want to find out what's behind this door.

56:16And they did make a robot and they called it Pyramid Rover. We took the Pyramid Rover and the robot went in the south tunnel and the robot had a drilling on his hand. The robot opened one hole, one centimeter and one millimeter. And sent an optic camera through this hole. We found after 21 centimeters of this door, a second one. And the second one has an egyshaped like that, as if it's hiding something. Then after that, we went to the northern tunnel that was bending. We found out it's bending north and south for 24 feet. And the reason for the bending was to avoid the gran gallery. At 200 feet, the robot stopped in front of a third door, which took cover handles in the same distance of this one.

57:25And these doors are very small. Very small, 20 -20 centimeters. Now, I spent most of my life from 2002 until the end of the year. Until 2024, last year. I found a team from England. And we worked last year for three seasons. Number one, I found out above the king of chamber, a big void. The gran gallery. This void, the size of two trucks. Now, the second void behind the northern tunnel, another small void. Inside this void, we can see hieroglyphic descriptions. Really? So those are the only hieroglyphics on the old pyramid. And I can show you the footage. Do you have the footage here? If you can come to my lecture.

58:40Oh, come on. What about right here? Right now. I can send it to you. Where do you have it? Do you have it on you? In my computer. Where's your computer? In Las Vegas. Oh, fuck. But I can send it to you. Yeah, but I want to show it on the show. Show it in the show. I can send it to you. I can send it to tomorrow. Okay. You can send it tomorrow? Yes. Okay. We'll splice it in, folks. Then tomorrow, I will send it to you. Please do. Okay. Now. Now. Now. Now. Now. Now. Now.

59:11Can you come in and introduce me here in Houston? Excuse me? Can I introduce you in Houston? No, I cannot. Why? Because I'm very busy. Okay. If I had known in advance, I could. Oh, fine. Yeah. I unfortunately, I don't have any free time, Zahee. Zahee. Zahee. No, Zahee. Zahee. Then now. Mr. Hawaas. Then now, what are we going to do? So this is the only pyramid can I ask you, though? This, these, this, this hieroglyphics inside this chamber that you've discovered. These, these are the only hieroglyphics in the great pyramids, that correct? No, there is. In the five chambers, I told you. Oh, in the other chambers.

59:47I told you in the five chambers, now we have five names of the gangus who rid the pyramids. And we have these. These are all recent discoveries. Yes. Look within how long. How recent. The, the, this, voids, as last year, 2024. Wow. Paraglific discovery or three months ago. So all this is very, isn't that fascinating? You've been studying the pyramids for so long. But they're still finding this. But listen to me, what I'm going to do. What are you going to do? You, that is a friend of mine. His name is Leslie Greif. Leslie is from Hollywood. He did with me many live TV shows. And he did with with chasing mamas.

1:00:28And Leslie now is working to find a network. To come, we need to do this program live. Okay. I want to show the whole world what I discovered inside the pyramid. That were not hiding anything. I want to show them the hieroglyphic. Why, why do you always feel like you're in battle with people? Because, because they attack me. Go, go to the, go, go, go. I'm not in the battle with people. I'm in the battle with me. I understand that. I understand that. But I'm giving you an opportunity to just lay things out. You don't have to argue with people that aren't here. I'm not arguing. I'm not arguing. You know what I'm saying?

1:01:06Telling the people. I'm just fascinated by the discovery itself. Okay. So, what does it look like? These hieroglyphs? Did you, I know you can read hieroglyphs, right? Is that science? You can read that stuff. Yes, but we can, the science are not clear. It's not clear? No. We need to do more investigation in September. Is it a difficulty in seeing inside there? Because it's a start. Who in the Egyptian write inside the five chamber, for example, they don't write hieroglyphic. They write a cursive hieroglyphic. It's called the hierotic. And this hierotic show, it's very difficult to read from outside.

1:01:45What does that look like? It's cursive of the hieroglyphic. Let me see what that looks like, Jim. That's fascinating. No, this is hieroglyphic. This is hieroglyphic. That's hieroglyphic. We need to talk about hieroglyphic. On the right hand side. It's a side. In the right. Look at the one, and then write this hierotic. Okay. Then it's very difficult. It's so beautiful. Yeah. What a beautiful language. Like the way it's written. It looks like art. Then, Joe, what are we going to do? Before the end of this year, we are going to show what's inside the five, this void's life. Can you keep that up, Jamie?

1:02:21These symbols that look like, like, make that larger, please. These symbols to the far left that were, Repelow Jamie's cursor right there. Like, what are those supposed to be? They are signs. But what does it mean? Look. It looks like a device. Now, what now endowment means Sish for a... I'm just wondering if a scribe. What is the one that his cursor... Well, this is a stop sign. It's for a scribe. A scribe. Yeah. But what does it mean? Scribe. It means a scribe. Sish. Okay. I understand. So, and then the other one on the heratic, that's the cursive version of... No, I don't... I'm not that expert in heratic.

1:03:01Okay. Because heratic is very cursive. I understand, but I think this... But we... But we... But we... I know. But we, if you look at the signs in the five chambers that I will send it to you tomorrow, it's very difficult to read. But you can see they are heratic, cursive signs. Got it. But the most important that we are going to show this life. Oh, wow. Okay. So people don't even know, and you're going to show all this stuff live. We will do it live. But the other thing. We have another team called ScanPairAmixTeam. They are scientists from Japan, France, and Egypt. I am the scientific director who really...

1:03:44They should... They discover something, they come to me. I have to discuss it with them. And they found... You know the pyramid. Yeah. You have the entrance that the people use now. Is the entrance that the Arabs open. That's in the North Face, correct? Exactly. Above that is the main chamber. Okay. The team are using various sophisticated techniques, like Elter -A -Sound, infrared. With these techniques, you do not need any more to drill. You can really see what's behind the door. And this is really what I'm using right now. Then they came to me, and they said, behind the main entrance of the pyramid, there is a corridor.

1:04:37And they showed to me this corridor, clear in the five techniques that they're using. But Elton, why? I have to see it. Let's go up there. We went up there, and they sent an optic camera through the stones. And they found... I could look at the corridor. Thirty feet long. Eight feet wide. Topped with chivalrous shape. I think you can see that in the internet, the corridor behind the main entrance of the pyramid. Can you get it? It's in the internet, I'm sure. This void above the grand gallery... The size of two trucks. What do you think that is? I have no idea. I'm just telling you what I found.

1:05:35And this was a great pyramid. I did more work on the third pyramid, it was the same techniques, and the second pyramid. This is the void. Can you see it? Wow, that's incredible. And I think... And bring the other big void above the grand gallery. I think you would see it also. So find the void above the grand gallery, Jamie. So it's two trucks. The size of two... The size of two semi -trucks. And do you have any idea... I would tell you about my theory. Please do. I think it's here. That's the void. Now. And it's that shape. You know... It's in that direction, so it's at a slope. It's above the grand gallery.

1:06:21That's it. Yeah. This can pyramid project. Now. I tell you my theory. Please do. We have a story written in a hieroglyphic, but not at the time of Kufu. It's after Kufu. The story, it's written in a papyri, it's called Kufu and the Magician. It's said that Kufu was staying in his palace. And he was very upset. He was not happy. And his son came to him. Your majesty, why are you unhappy? He said, I'm searching for the sicker of the Ghatth, the Ghat of Wisdom. Then I can design my biriyar chamber in the pyramid. Then his son told him, I know a magician. His name is Jiddhi. He knows how to cut the head of a man off and put it back.

1:07:19And he knows the sicker of the Ghatth, the Ghat of Wisdom. He knows how to cut the head of a man off and put it back, but is the guy still alive? Is that what he's saying? No, this is what the son is still in his father. I understand that. That Jiddhi can do that. A lot of people can cut the guys hair off and put it back. But listen to the story. This is the story. Then the king told his son, bring this to me. They describe him as 100 years old and he drank on Sava's beer. Jiddhi came in front of the king. And Kufu told him, I heard that you can cut the head of a man off. He said, yes, you're majesty.

1:07:59He said, do it. He said, Jiddhi said, I cannot do it to the human being. He said, okay, I will bring you a prisoner. Jiddhi said, a prisoner is a human being. Then he told, he brought him a goose. He took the head of the goose up in front of everyone. And the head came back and the goose was running in front of everyone. That's written in the story. Then the king, I come back to what's believed that now. And the king told him, I want to know the secret of the Ghatth to design my barrier chamber. He told him that this secret will not be in your hand. It would be in the hand of another people who ruled Egypt.

1:08:51Kufu was very upset. So he wouldn't give him the secret because that secret won't just be in your hands. It'll get in other people's hands. Then the king was unhappy. He told them, don't worry, your majesty, because you were ruled and your sons and your grandson. Now about magic. Do you believe in religion or not? Yeah. Okay. Do you know about Judaism? Sure. When Ghatth told Moses, who Moses midghat and Ghatth told them to go to Egypt, to meet the Pharaoh. Right. And Ghatth told them, remember, the Pharaohs are highly in magic. Right. They will beat you. Then Ghatth taught Moses how to be more in magic than the Pharaoh.

1:09:41And you remember, when he heard the stick and the stick became a snake, I think. And Moses brought more snakes to swollen what the Pharaoh did. Then we know from books, from Judaism from the beginning that the ancient Egyptian were really highly in magic. Then we can believe... Do you think that that magic might have had something to do with how they constructed the pyramids? No. No. But if you believe that they had enough magic to take a goose's head and put it back on, it's still alive. That's magic. Yeah. Wouldn't they use that magic for other things? But we have... Have you believe in magic?

1:10:20I do. Of course you do. You do believe in magic. Yeah. So you believe that someone could take someone's head off, put it back on. It's written. Okay. That it must be true. Yeah. All right. Yeah. What is this? Someone's going to kill a dove? It's a magic trick. Can we capitate birds and stuff? Oh. Okay. Put it back together. I was just reading it. Apparently on the trick, he did it. He put the head on the other side of the room and made him come back together. He did it to a calf and a different animal also. Now, what's really... I want to tell you now... Well, that person's magic too. Now... That person can make us appear...

1:10:53What I want to show you, that I'm not a person. What do you think magic is? Magic is magic. What do you mean? Well, how does it work? I have no idea. What do you mean how it works? Well, I mean... I have someone do something like that. I have no idea. We have to go back... We have to go back. We have to go back. I can't use to 4 ,600 years ago. And do you think a lot of this information is what was lost in the burning of the Library of Alexandria? Of course. Because this is something that they can't unbelievably detail. But also, you know, because I will tell you... Why would you not have any evidence about kufu, timbils and things like that?

1:11:34Because what happened? The ancient Egyptian believe that afero should be a male. Afero cannot be a female. Anyone who changed the religious belief, they hit him. Hatsubsoot, when she became afero, they hit her and they destroyed her monuments. Kufu, when he changed his cult to be a sangat, in the first intermediate period, they destroyed his monuments, the timbils, the statues. The only statue of that king was found in Upper Ishapp, not at Giza. Even in the timbils of his sons, there were 23 statues. They smashed the statues. A smashing was a sign of revenge. Now, do you have any question about kufu pyramid before I switch to the things?

1:12:34Well, I'm fascinated by a lot of aspects of kufu pyramid. Well, one of the big ones that's come up very recently, I'm sure you're aware of, is these satellite radar, what is it called, tomographic? Where they think that there's these pillars underneath the structure. Okay. This episode is brought to you by Paramount Pictures, new film The Naked Gun. There's comedy, and then there's The Naked Gun. It's in a league of its own. If the trailer is anything to go by, this new film does not hold back. Liam Neeson is Frank Treben, Jr. son of the celebrated police squad lieutenant from the original films.

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1:14:46This journal does not send their article to the freeze. You pay a fee to publish the article in your responsibility. Okay. Number three. I am not a scientist. I took these techniques that they used and they gave it to expertise. And they said, this techniques cannot show underneath a solid rock of almost 600 feet down. No way. Why can't they? They said this degree cannot show that. But these scientists are saying they can't. Do you know about the Osiris shaft? How they've got a system and covered it? You're you did, right? Yes. But do you know that they use this tomographic? No. No, I am the one who found it.

1:15:39No, I understand you found it. But they also discovered it. They show that it exists using the same technique. No. No. This is drunk. This is not true at all. I can't do how I found that. How can I find that? I'm not saying that you didn't find it. It's under the paper signature, aperture, radar, Doppler tomography by Philip Obande. And if you scroll down, Jamie, you'll see an image. And this image is of the Osiris shaft, which shows that they got an accurate depiction of that from space. That's not from Sada. It's not true. So what are you saying that they're lying? They're lying. They're completely lying.

1:16:23But if they're showing using these techniques, things that we know that you discover that absolutely exists. Now, these techniques, as I told you, scientists said that these techniques cannot show 600 feet under the pyramid. The Osiris shaft that they found was only 50 feet under the pyramid. Right. But it's showing at least for 50 feet that this is accurate. What makes you believe those scientists rather than these guys from Italy? Because these are scientists. Well, these are scientists as well. They are not showing their techniques carefully. They have not. They mean they're not showing their techniques carefully.

1:17:03They take the techniques that they said and show it to any scientist. No one, no one can tell you this is accurate. I, I ask it every person who knows about radar, ultrasound, all the people work with me. The scan pyramid project, they said this is bullshit. It cannot happen at all. Now, tell me. So you're telling me that these scientists that are proclaiming the capabilities of these satellite tomography devices that are saying that they can see kilometers into the ground with this stuff. That's true. Are you sure? Do you understand the technology? No, I don't.

1:17:53But I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I made a press release. But did you talk to they did not I why not? Because they did not talk to me. How can I find them? I may, I should be willing to talk to them. Of course I am. Yes, okay. Connect to them. I'm just interested. If new technology becomes available and they figure out a way to look into the ground, and you discover things, especially if they discover the Osiris shaft and it turns to actually discover the Ozzaris shaft again. You discovered it, but they use their technology to show an accurate depiction of the interior of the Osiris shaft. That was that was that was that it was that it is.

1:18:31Is that true? No, it's not. The Ozzaris shaft is known to everyone. Right. It can be seen by when they turn their equipment on the Osiris shaft. It shows the actual interior. Maybe I don't know, but this is 50 feet. Look at it again. But they're talking about 600 feet. I understand, but if it can go 50 feet, why can't it go 600 feet? Now I am again, you know, again, I'm not a scientist. Right. So why are you speaking it though? I gave what they published to a scientist and they said just don't true. But the scientists are wrong all the time. Fine. They're fine. They're probably ones that are biased.

1:19:11Then what I did, I made a brief release explaining my point. Yes. And I said my work of the second pyramid, the base of the pyramid is 28 feet of solid rock. And there is no way that anything can be happened in the solid rock. And I explained, I think what they're saying is underneath the solid rock. Correct. Let me finish. And I said, your techniques that you published in this magazine is not refried by scientists. You just published it. And number three, the team that working in Geese was all these new techniques. They said, this is wrong. They, and they know the team that's working in Geese with all these techniques.

1:20:03What do you mean? We have the scan pyramid team. Right. They're working. But you understand this is different technology. I understand, but they know about this technology. But have they used this technology? No, they said this technology cannot work. Cannot show 600 feet under the pyramid at all. This is what they said. And this why if the Italians were confident, they could contact me. And the pyramid experts that anyone should, well, we'll make sure that happens. But listen, if the, the stone is 20 feet thick, the solid stone at the base, that's correct, right? And you said, Osiris shaft is 50 feet.

1:20:46That means it can see past 20 feet, right? But how can they see through the stone and see what they're showing? But that was a heated, that was open. Is that is soft? Is that is soft? Is this open? Right. Is not covered to see. I understand. You can go and you see that was added shaft down. Right. Everyone can see it, but the interior is not open. And the interior is visible. But you can see the interior. But you can't see it to the exact dimensions the way these tomographic images show, right? If they're using this technology to go 50 feet underground, I'm telling you, I am not a scientist. I understand so.

1:21:25But this is my question. Why would you dismiss? Why would you dismiss it if you haven't looked under there? Because I told you, it is not me who can dismiss this. What does it say, Jim? This is the link to the art, the original article, I believe. There's their names. The very first sentence says that the problem with a penetrating action of electromagnetic waves inside solid bodies, the capability to observe these distributed targets is precluded. And then they had to come up with an experimental, experimental results are estimated by processing the SAR images into something else. And so I think that's the disconnect I'm hearing.

1:22:04Yeah, I don't understand the technology, but my question is, we know how spectacular the pyramids are. We know how spectacular, just the base of it, the fact that it's carved into solid rock. Why would you not think that maybe other spectacular things exist? I am hooked. I told you. I am not this type, knows about this science. I consulted the team, the top in the world, from Japan, France and Egypt. Who are these people? They are the Scandin pyramid team. The Scandin pyramid. Yeah, the ones that found the... Exactly. The chamber above. And they are working with me. And we found many other things in the second pyramid and the third pyramid.

1:22:49And we published this. We just published an article that's doing the... The one I am saying, if these techniques, that these two Italians are correct, the only people who really can tell you it's correct or not are the Scandin pyramid people. Not me. But the Scandin pyramid people aren't they using different technology? But they know about technology. They are the top scientists in the world. I have to believe them not the two Italians. If the Italians are really correct, they could come to talk to us. Not me. Well, to talk to me and others. I will definitely try to connect you with those people.

1:23:32Because I know that Graham Hancock and Brian Mererescu have been in contact with those people. And they're open -minded about it. They don't know what's going on down there. But these images are repeated over and over and over again. Fine. But they are both in either way. Okay.

1:23:51The whole... One of the fascinating things about Egypt to me is the fact that it's not just so much more advanced in terms of construction than anywhere else in the world. But that it's still to this day. Like nothing even close has ever been even attempted to this day. What do you think was going on back then as far as their capabilities and their understanding that led them to do something so spectacular that other people... ...4 ,500 years ago. Again, the belief of the afterlife built Egypt. But they also had to have that understanding of... If you come engineering and construction and design...

1:24:35To do this belief of the afterlife, to build the pyramid as I told you. This was the National Project. No, I understand the National Project. But they have to know. You can talk about this pyramid. If it exists alone, when you come to Egypt and you go through time, you will see that everything gradually, there is no gap that you can... What do you mean by that? There is no gap for anyone to think something different than the belief of the Egyptians. Why? Because I think anybody is saying that. Oh, yeah. Maybe some people are. Maybe some people do. But it's all the Egyptians. Obviously, it was in Egypt.

1:25:14It's the Egyptians that made it. Yes, pretty obvious. That just seems obvious. Then if you believe it, that's not what I'm happy about. I'm happy to hear this from you. Well, I just think whenever people say it's aliens or like, where's the proof of that? Exactly. Also, they built a lot of spectacular things. No ifans or buts. Just the statues, just the faces of the pharaohs with incredible images. That's why I ought to really, I won't since you are interested in Egypt, I would like to invite you to come to Egypt. I want to come. I just... It's for me. We are willing to invite you. I won't. Okay, tell me, tell me when.

1:25:51Okay. And I will arrange everything for you. Okay. But now, I want to come to these things also. Okay. Can we talk about these things, please? Now, you know, when I was young, I was met by the Edgar Casey, son, the psychic guy. He owned a Casey. Yeah. And he owned a Casey, who was the son of Edgar Casey. I was young. I really don't know what this case he had. Bebe, bebe. When he came to Egypt and talked about me, about his father. You know about Edgar Casey. Yeah. Okay, then it's... He had a vision that there was a chamber underneath the Sphinx. Underneath the rifle of the Sphinx, there is a chamber.

1:26:31And he envisioned that, correct? And this is why I'm going to Virginia Beach. To give a talk. One of the cities in my tour now is Virginia Beach. Why? Because when people began to tell me there is something inside the Sphinx, I really, as I told you, I have an open mind. And I did search. I found inside the Sphinx four tunnels. When behind the stela, the color dreamy stela, between the two boz of the Sphinx. And the second one, behind the head, in the top. Right, there's actually a door on the top of the head. No, no, no, no, just a lid. Just a tunnel. A tunnel. 25 feet. Isn't it closed off, though?

1:27:22No, yeah, it's closed, yeah, that's like a door on the top of it. It's not a door. No, a lid. It's just a tunnel. Good, okay. But it's closed off. You can't go up to the Sphinx. This is why we have to cover it because it will take rubbish and guards. Well, that's the top. That's what I'm talking about. Isn't that the top of it? Is this the Sphinx? Yes, that's it. Okay, that's a lid, right? Yeah, we covered it. Okay, yeah, but we covered it to protect it from the sand, but it's not a door. Okay, it's a lid. The third tunnel that I found in the back. Now Edgar Casey, he had this vision that there was some hall of information.

1:28:02I know, but I'm going to come to this now. But I'm talking to you about the tunnels now. And the third one is in the tail. The fourth one was opened in 1927 by a French -Demons -Missue -Bérés. And I do have photos of work in the Sphinx. We found this four tunnels are published. An article, scientific article. I found in situ in all the four tunnels of pottery, in situ to prove that these tunnels were opened on Dynasty 25, 500 BC, as in the late period. When the Egyptian saw the Sphinx, they thought there is something hidden underneath. And they dug and they found nothing. Now, we come to the Edgar Casey and what people believe.

1:29:05Because we had John Antenowist, and we had many new -age people who believe there is something hidden underneath the Sphinx. And they used to tell me, we need your permission. To what? To drill. How can I let someone who's not an archaeologist, who's not a scientist, to drill? No way! But recently, I found out the rise of the water table in front of the Sphinx. And I was really afraid that the water could damage the Sphinx. Then I brought a team from Cairo University. And we did drill 30 to 35 feet underneath the Sphinx. Everywhere! And I do have foothills of everywhere under the Sphinx. The Sphinx is a solid rock or a living rock.

1:30:03And there is nothing underneath. To those no tunnels. No tunnels. This is exactly. I told you what it is. What do you think about Robert Schock in his theory about the temple and the erosion outside of the Sphinx that it's water erosion? When Schock said that, okay, we brought through the American research center, a scientist from Louisville University. I don't remember his name now. And we gave him what Robert Schock said. It's not his theory. It's a theory of a new age guy who talked about this before and John Antenwist brought Schock. I don't remember. Then we gave this guy from Louisville University.

1:30:55He was an Indian American who really studied, he came to the Sphinx and he worked with us for a system. And he came and we published many articles that the erosion that you see outside and inside the Sphinx is from wind and not from water. Now, what Schock want to say that this is dated back 15 ,000 years ago? I agree. Okay, if I came here and I dug the Sphinx, I would leave something. Then what I did, we dug an area, northeast of the Sphinx. I found level, Altingham, Midir Kingdom, New Kingdom, Roman, nothing underneath. Then this new age people say that the head of the Sphinx is very small comparing to the body.

1:31:52Yes, why? If you take all the casing stones away from the Sphinx, you'll find exactly here the Sphinx. And now this and another part like this. In between, there is a halo. Remember, I told you that Giza Plateau is divided to three levels. Level one and two is very bad stones. Can be seen to the chest of the Sphinx. Level three, they carve with the head from level three. Then in the Egyptian, carve with the head to represent the King Kifrin with the Copra, the royal head. Remus, they began to make a loyal body. Then what they did, they filled this halo between the two Sphinx, Bises, with the stones.

1:32:50And they covered the whole body of the Sphinx with the stones. And they did the modeling of the loyal body on the covering stones. And this why the head is very small comparing to the body. So you think the head was made first and then the body was made later? If that's the case, why is the body so much more eroded than the head? I told you, the body, it is a part of the bad stones. Bad stones. So the top one is the head. Exactly. So for the different density to the stones, that's why the stone in the Sphinx's head is intact in the body. Because it's a level three. So it's a different kind of stone.

1:33:32Exactly of the body. And this why the Egyptian layers to it all and some of the layers are more dense. The Egyptian wanted to make a loyal body. They couldn't. The only way is to cover the body of the stones and do the modeling of the loyal body on the covering stones. Can we take two minutes rest? Yeah, sure. You want to take a break? Yes, to go to this bathroom. Okay, go to the bathroom. You know where it is? Yes, just go outside, take a left. We're back.

1:34:04This thing. Let's pick up where we left off. So you were saying that these other experts that looked at it didn't agree that it was water erosion and said that they think that it was wind. But John Anthony West and what Graham Hancock and what Robert Chalk and all these different people are trying to allude to, as that perhaps there was even older stuff that was in Egypt and that the things that you're seeing that are 2005 or any BC, those are even more recent than the older stuff. This episode is brought to you by Uber Eats. Summer is here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats.

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1:36:22The old Kings list that goes back 30 ,000, whatever years. Who said that? You never seen it? It's not in hieroglyphs? This is not true. It's not true? No. This is speculation from people who knows nothing about history. There is nothing King List dated back 30 ,000 years ago at all. So why did people keep saying that? Because they don't know. It's speculation. Give me one evidence of that. The only... Okay. The first King List dated back to Dynasty 5. Only. I was reading that people were saying that it was myth. That the Kings list, even though there is some hieroglyphics of ancient Kings, that these are just mythical tales.

1:37:07This is not true. There is no at all. A name that you told me, I never heard of this name. I am an egyptologist working in Egypt for the last 57 years. I never heard of this King List at all. Never? Never. And never even heard of it. Who I have to hear about it because not true. I don't want to miss my time and think it's like this. I am a person. Give me a fact. So, it means... What is this? This is Egyptian. Zeptepi refers to the first time or the first occasion. Who said this? This is an AI. It refers to a mythical golden age of Egypt where gods lived on earth and civilization was in its infancy.

1:37:48This period is often associated with the beginning of creation and the establishment of societal structures. Have you never heard of that before? No. And this is not true. What do you mean it's not true? I mean, I'm getting this off -road. It never happened at all. I'm not saying it happened. I'm just saying this is something that's referred to. It's never... I never heard of it. It is not true. It does not exist at all. Even if it doesn't exist, the myth of it exists. I don't listen, Joel. Who I do I have to go to a myth of being a gay storyist. If you go to Wikipedia, I don't care about Wikipedia.

1:38:26I understand. I care about what I see in my eyes as an archaeologist or a religious. In all the minutes. The world was said to emerge from an infinite lifeless sea when the sun rose for the first time in a distant period known as Zeptepi. The first occasion, different myths, attributed to the creation of different gods, the set of eight primordial deities called Ogdoed, the Contemplative Deity, Patah, and the mysterious transcendent God Amun. While describing these different cosmologies, completed to some extent in other ways they were complementary in different aspects of Egyptian understanding of creation.

1:39:07It's an Egyptian creation. Fine. You've never heard that before? Never heard of that before. That seems strange that you didn't hear about that before. Listen, Joel. I've heard of it before. Fine, you can hear it. How about it? I just found it online. It's on your age. It's new age. Yes, listen to me. I know an any Egyptologist who study Egyptology in the states here. You have universities in UCLA and you have Berkeley and you have Jean Hopkins and you have everywhere. There is no every Egyptologist here study languages and archaeology. No one can answer what you are talking about. This is hallucination.

1:39:50I'm sorry. This is not true. It's a speculation from people. But never in Egypt we know the prehistory of Egypt. We know the Bridaanastica of Egypt. We know the beginning of civilization. We know every there is no gap in anything that can let something's like that. And this why I never heard of it. And I don't want to hear about it. You don't want to hear about it? No, why? Because there is no evidence. I am a scientist. I believe on what's written in front of me. And I believe over seen that I can see. But I don't believe on theories like this. Tell me where this found and where it is and who published it.

1:40:36What is a scientist who published it? What is a Egyptologist who talked about it? I'd like to know. That's why I'm asking you. I never heard of it. Well, I'm shocked that you haven't at least heard of it and dismissed it before you did this. I think it's a part of the creation myth. I know but it's not true. I received many theories every day. My mind, Joe now, is really cannot stand all this theories, all of it. It's too much for me. It's too much for me. Got it. See if you can find anything on that, Jamie. Where that myth came from. Is it a revolting? What I just found is that it came from a...

1:41:23It was a buffalo. A buffalo is not a scientist. No, I'm just... I know. I assume those people, when someone came to you with a theory, he has to have a... It's a foolish background. He has to write a scientific article. We write all what we discover. We write articles about them for people to read and criticize and give us opinion. But I can go to theories like this. I understand. That has no basic... What do you base the dates on? Do you base it on carbon ice? No. We don't. We base dating on the evidence that we discover. Right. But like... It's on it is based on carbon, right? No. I don't believe in carbon date for Tina.

1:42:06I thought. You don't? No. Carbon date for Tina, never given accurate dating. And this why I believe, you know, when you discover something, if you discover a cemetery, there is two types of datins. One called absolute dating. Means that in this cemetery, you have a name of a king and a date. Means this is absolute. But if you discover another cemetery and has no dates, then the best thing that we do is to find the artifacts in this cemetery and try to compare it with other dated cemetery. And you give a date for this. But you don't believe in carbon date for Tina. And it's not working in Egypt until today.

1:42:55I have been excavating also in the development of the kings. And I discovered major important things that we can talk about it. So if you're going back to the past, I used radar in all my excavation. I never had a result by radar. And carbon date for Tina, we will use it when there is no date. But you used radar to date things? How? No, I used radar to discover things. Right. But what do you use to date them? I told you two methods of dating. Most of the dating that for me now in Luxor is based on evidence. Like I discovered the golden city. It's a major big large cemetery, large settlement, a city.

1:43:49And you know this city was chosen, the most important discovery in the world of year 2021. Because this is the first time that we have a big, large city to tell us about the people who made this civilization. So how do you know how old the city is? Exactly. In the city, we discovered the names everywhere of King Amin Hatub III, who was the father of Eknaton. Inside the city, we found many statutes of a screen, Quinty. We found an inscription about dried meat, a sword to celebrate the third set festival of Amin Hatub III. We found nine royal workshops in the city. Then the city tells us about the golden age of that king.

1:44:47It is dated by pottery, by how the difficult inscription. By many things. But I'm curious as to why you're skeptical about carbon dating. Because I think carbon dating is generally accepted as being accurate within a certain framework. But I never used it. And many people very rare used it in Egypt. Because in Egypt, mainly we have absolute conorology. We have absolute dating based on inescriptions. Where I thought it was used in Egypt, like to measure wood that was in mortar. To date the Great Pyramid to 2005. No, that was an experiment to date the pyramid. I think it was about 2009. And it is not working.

1:45:37But I didn't see the result. You haven't seen the result on carbon testing of the mortar of the Great Pyramid? No. But the mortar, you can't. One thing. The mortar between the stones. This mortar, like if you take a base of stone from the pyramid and you try to decorbble for the team, this base of stone could be thousands years in the quarry. It cannot date the pyramid. How can you date? Hold on, hold on. You don't date stone. I'm saying if you date mortar. How can you, how can you say accurately that this mortar is dated to this entire time, oblique the pyramid? Well, you can't actually, that's the argument is that there is probably repairs done.

1:46:22Right? And so is the pyramid? Yes. No, of going to get the pyramid. There is no, there's no repairs of any of the observations, no restoration, nothing. Never any accurate evidence that the pyramid was restored. Right. But there are any period of the Egyptian history. There is restoration that goes on even now, though, on the Sphinx, correct? I did make 10 years of restoration on the Sphinx. It's me who did the restoration of the Sphinx for 10 years. Why did you say to do that? Because the Sphinx when I was, when I left, I was studying in the States, I came to take my doctorate from the University of Pennsylvania from 1980, from 80 to 87 some architect and archaeologist were really stupid.

1:47:11They began to restore the Sphinx and they took all the casing stones of the Sphinx out and they put modern stones and they used cement. You cannot use cement in the restoration. You can use cement in building a house. Yeah, that's not even restoration. Then a new creation, when I came, I stopped this restoration. Okay. And because this restoration damaged completely the proportions of the Sphinx, it brings to you another Sphinx. Right. Ugly. Yeah. A few months later there was a stone was restored in the shoulder of the Sphinx and it filled down in February. It was raining. And always people use the Sphinx for politics.

1:48:09The Sphinx for politics? Yeah, if they were, I tell you. It happened the first time in the foreign period. You know, the area beside the Sphinx was called the Valley of Gazelles. And the princess of the new kingdom used to come to hunt wild animals in the valley and come towards the Sphinx. And this story that I'm telling you is written in a granite stila is called the Dream Stila located now between the two paws of the Sphinx. In the stila it's a, the totemus, the fourth was a prince. And he came to have a, had to have an app beside the Sphinx. And the Sphinx came to him in the dream and told him my son.

1:49:01If you remove the sand away, I will make you the king of Egypt. Then he is moved to the sand. And he came to a temple. He found a door. What year was this? This is one, three thousand years ago, exactly. So the Sphinx was constructed long before then. Before the volcano. And then it had been covered in sand. Yes. Completely. This why Hridotus, the father of the history, when he came to Egypt in the middle of the fifth century BC, he never talked about the Sphinx because it's completely under the sand. Then Rototmo the force came, he took the sand away. And he found that the whole kingdom, the casing blocks are falling down.

1:49:47He put them back. And he went to the Sphinx, a temple nearby. He took this granite stila as a door and he wrote this story in it. But we found there is something politics in that story. He killed his elder brother, who was supposed to be the king of Egypt. And he wrote this story to till the Egyptian that the god, Horem Ahet, Horus of the horizon, it shows me to be the king of Egypt. Then they will forgive the crime that he did. On that stone, it filled down in 1988, a big fight happened between the head of antiquities and the menace of culture. Indeed, by firing the head of antiquities, it's politics.

1:50:39But I stayed ten years. When we were asking about the best thing that I did in my life, I say two things. Number one, that I restored the Sphinx. I brought the proportion of the Sphinx back. And I restored the oldest pyramid in Egypt, the stiff pyramid. It was falling down. In fourteen years, I made major important conservation and restoration. And I tell people, why do I have to fight all the time, I want the age of the pyramid? We have to fight. We have to cooperate all of us to restore these monuments. And the most important thing is for me, always, is conservation. And I dedicate most of my life not only to the excavation, but to conservation.

1:51:32What do you think the arguments are that predate, that try to push the date back of the construction of the pyramids? I never heard of this. You've never heard of this before? It's a theory from the new age. But I know I saw a debate with you. I saw a debate with you and Graham Hancock and there's another archaeologist. That was... No, hold on. The other archaeologist was saying, if you're saying that something happened 10 ,000 years ago, where is the evidence of any civilization from 10 ,000 years ago? Exactly. But then you found a gopeckly tapy. So you go back to tapy, it was buried over 11 ,000 years ago.

1:52:10That's not true. I never heard about this. What do you mean it's not true? It's not true what they told you. What is not true? It's never happened. We never discovered this. That's all. Wait a minute. Go back to tapy is in Turkey. Okay. Oh, in Turkey. Yes. Now. Go back to tapy is in Turkey. I know. About this. More than 11 ,000 years old. Okay, fine. It's very complex, stone structures. Fine. Fine. But this was the evidence. Wait, hold on. This is the evidence in the argument. The argument was there was no evidence of an ancient civilization from 10 ,000 plus years ago. This is before the discovery of go back to tapy.

1:52:41Go back to tapy gets discovered known to be more than 11 ,000 years ago. That changes everything. Because now we know. Yes it does. That's changed. Hold on. Because now we know there was an advanced civilization capable of spectacular construction 11 ,000 plus years ago. This is what this is. Look at the archaeologists in Turkey or in any civilization. Okay. They never talk about alturization. That's not true. Go back to tapy is universally accepted as being more than 11 ,000 years old. I am talking now about Egypt. I'm not talking about Egypt. No, I understand. But the argument was that there was never any ancient civilization capable of spectacular construction 10 ,000 years ago.

1:53:29Now that they showed go back to tapy is more than 11 ,000 years old. They know for sure that's not true. Okay. But now. I'm talking about the pyramids of Egypt. I have the evidence that it didn't. We found everything about that. We know the dating. And I give you hundreds of evidence that this pyramid built by Kofu Archivism. No, I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm not saying it wasn't. What I'm saying is. Any civilization, older than we know. Older. We have no in the same spot. We have no evidence. So how does ancient Egypt emerge? In Burj, we have, how does it emerge and go from zero to pyramids? We have, do you have, can you listen to me?

1:54:15Yeah. We have prehistoric Egypt. Right. And we have the oldest Stone Age. Middle Stone Age. Newlythic. When the Egyptian began to know about agriculture. And they began to live together in communities. Then after that, we came to the pre -danastic. When a king called normal, in the anesthesia zero, he began to make unification of the upper and lower issue. Until one king called the Meena or Horaha, who united completely. And what year was this? This is where was three thousand BC. Five thousand years ago. In a place called Aparis, they built huge mud brick tombs. Huge. From mud brick. No stones.

1:55:10And this tombs are created in a site called Aparis. You know, what's really fascinating about this is that 500 years, you think about that. How different just modern civilization was 500 years ago. 500 years ago, we had almost none of the inventions we have today. We had no internal combustion engine. You know, no hardened steel. None of the things that we have. And now look what we have with electronics. Now imagine what the Egyptians were able to do in 500 years on a different way. In construction with stone. That their advancements weren't like our advancements, but their advancements were equally spectacular, just in a different way.

1:55:53Okay. Now I come back to the mud brick structure. This is in the Narsi, well, and two. And then as the three came a king called Zozer. He had a genius architect. His name is Imhotep. I am searching. Did you hear about Imhotep? Yes. I'm searching for his tomb. Only two weeks ago before I came, I made a major important discovery in Egypt. I found a tomb of a sort of a king inside incredible statues of Zozer and his father and his queens and his children. Where's this tomb? In the shadow of the step param. In the shadow of Zozer. And this really made me because I have been searching for the tomb of Imhotep most of my life.

1:56:47But the area that I found this tomb, it was under houses, modern houses. Oh, wow. The workman who worked in the site, 100 years ago, they built houses in the site. But they never excavated what's underneath the houses. Wow. So modern houses and everything. Didn't. Six months ago, we gave houses to this people in another area. And we demolished this house. And we found underneath major discoveries. This discovery will be in today's show this week. Now, I am sure now that Imhotep's tomb is in this area. Wow. Now I can't wait. What technology can you use to discover like these underground caverns and chambers?

1:57:38All what I do is digging. That's it. That's it. What if these Italian guys are onto something and you can find more stuff? I want you to come to see what I do and what I discover. I want to. I want to. I want to tell you what I discovered. I tell you it's too. And what I discovered, I can show it to you. Please do. Jimmy Zeptepi, do you find anything about that? About that? Where are the origins of that? Maybe a book from 1960 and I couldn't figure out how he got there. It's probably a long sludge through information. Try to get to the root of it. But can we continue with how it happened until you have the pyramids?

1:58:19Sure. The Imhotep came and he built the same mastaba. mastaba in Arabic means a binge. He built the construction in Madbrik of stone for the first time. And he added more section to the first one and he put above that five mastabas. It's called the the pyramid. The pyramid. In the pyramid, that's the first one. In the pyramid, they say that the steep pyramid is a stirs that the king is better underneath to go to heaven. And this one was how many years before the Great Pyramid? It's almost 700 years. So obviously it's not nearly sophisticated as the Great Pyramid. So in 700 years, they just got way better.

1:59:15Listen. Now, on the rest of the three, there is another pyramid that was found. And only I found recently that I did not excavate it completely. I found a pyramid, which is the end of the last three of a king called Hony. The now we came to see that. It was Hony. Hony. Hony. Hony. Okay. It's you in I. Okay. Okay. Then we come to dynasty four, Sinifro. Okay. Sinifro had a genius architect. His name was Nefer Ma 'at. Then he started... Tons of good name for a genius. Yeah. He started to build a steep pyramid like this in a site called Meydun. But for reason we do not know, he left it unfinished.

2:00:08And he went to a place called Dahshur. He built the pyramid with a huge angle. And he changed it to the angle. It became bent. And he built another pyramid. If you look at the other pyramid of the father of Kufu, it's exactly equal to the great pyramid. This is the first through pyramid. But people never go to Dahshur to look at this pyramid. They will always look at Kufu. Then you have in dynasty four the pyramids were huge because of the quality of the stones. In dynasty five and six there is no good quality of stones. In the Egyptian made decrees on the volume of the stones and did increase in the volume of the war reliefs.

2:01:05Tempils began to be decorated with scenes for the first time. In the middle kingdom another trend mud -break pyramid but underneath maze corridors of stones that if you go down you lose your way. In the new kingdom they built they came in the top of the valley of the kings a shape of the pyramid and they buried all the kings like king Tatanazers underneath the pyramid. Shape. So that's the story. That's the story. All right. But listen man it's been fascinating talking to you and I definitely am going to take you up in your offer. I'm definitely going to go to Egypt. No, now we'll talk. Now we'll talk to and you got to send me that video so we can splice it in of the higher glyphs that are on the wall.

2:02:03We'll send that right? I will send it tomorrow. Okay. But give me give the email to Gregio and Mustafa now. Okay. We will do that. And they're the people that will talk to them now to arrange for your trip. Okay. And I would invite you for a at how many days you think I should go? 10 days at least. Jamie you got to come. You want to do a podcast for now? Just do me. Let us do one inside the gate pyramid. Yeah definitely. 100%. Okay. We'll be echoey though. Oh here's another problem with the idea that these Italians are proposing. Isn't there a water table under the pyramid that's like a million years old?

2:02:38No. There's not water underneath there? No. This is the zyre shaft that was full of water. So is that what Mr. Bees was swimming in? Exactly. But where's that water coming from? It's a water table. There is a water table. This shaft, this shaft, I came, I brought a company and we did suck all the water out. Oh. Until we found underneath a sarcophagus and four pillars. Oh wow. And this is the symbolic barrier of the gandrozyres. Because Giza Plateau was called the new kingdom per user Nibra Stau. The house of Osiris, Lord of Rastau. Rastau means symmetry but literally means the underground tunnels.

2:03:22That Osiris is ruling. Then Herdotosoni came, he talked about this water under the pyramid. It is in the shaft. And this one beast entered inside and swam in it. Swam in it. Okay. You know, I met him because I wanted to convince the young people that pyramids were built by aliens. That's why I took him to three million sites. I don't know. I don't understand the alien thing. I think super advanced culture. Super advanced civilization. But you know, but you think the Library of Alexandria burning is probably one of the greatest disasters. Many people in America believe that you believe in aliens.

2:04:01When I talk to them that I'm coming to see you. That I believe in aliens? They do. Well, I'm not opposed to the idea of aliens existing. There's hundreds of billions of galaxies in the known universe, each with hundreds of billions of stars. The idea that we're uniquely alone. You don't think there's anything out there? Nothing. So you don't believe in ancient civilizations capable of advanced construction. You don't believe aliens. Joe, I am a scientist. I am a scientist. If you believe in something, write an article. Then I can read. But don't give me a theory. But the theory is. But then it's containing intelligent life is.

2:04:41No, that's not true. I have been debating Graham Hancock, Robobofal and John Antenowis. Then I told them from the beginning, your theory will go with the wind. Right, but we're not talking about that theory. We're talking about aliens being possible. No way. No, aliens. Just us. This is the whole universe. If you believe in the whole universe, if you believe in God, you will do miracles. The Egyptian believed in the afterlife and they made this great civilization. I'm not saying aliens made it. I'm saying it's very possible there's something else out there in the world. Thank you. All right, thank you.

2:05:21All right. If I'm letting, enjoy the continue. I enjoyed it too. And I'll see you in the end. Bye, everybody.

2:05:32Oh, that's containing intelligent life is not true. I have been debating Graham Hancock, Robobofal and John Antenowis. Then I told them from the beginning, your theory will go with the wind. Right, but we're not talking about that theory. We're talking about aliens being possible. No way. No, aliens. Just us. This is the whole universe. If you believe in God, if you believe in God, you will do miracles. The Egyptian believed in the afterlife and they made this great civilization. I'm not saying aliens made it. I'm saying it's very possible there's something else out there in the world. Thank you.

2:06:21All right, thank you. All right. If I'm letting, enjoy the continue. I enjoyed it too. And I'll see you in the end. Bye, everybody.

2:06:40Five out of ten.