#2327 - AJ Gentile

27:39They're exempt from all kinds of stuff. Yeah. Well, like, there's a law passed not too long ago that if you have Native American artifacts that are important to that culture, especially burial artifacts, they must be returned. Unless you're this Smithsonian, then you can make a case that you don't have to give it back. How do they have so much power? It's a government agency. Smithsonian is a government, oh, I don't even know, I thought it was a private agency. So there's no official story as to why this area of the Grand Canyon is off limits. For your safety, it's all in the zone they call it.

28:12Yeah, it's all I can find. That's fun looking at the tree. That's fucking weird That this story comes from the very area that's forbidden that's fucking weird. I think what are the odds? I don't believe in coincidences so If there are a lot of these stories come from places you just can't go. See anybody try to hike in all the time or Raffed in yeah, do they get busted and busted yeah, I arrested real You could find you could find online. I wish I knew the names of a team that went up there, that's who found the black helicopters and I use them in the video. And I credit them so you can find their videos, they're up there for an hour, hour and a half, trying to find stuff and what they found up in that forbidden zone is anchored into the ground, a giant hook, or like a loop.

29:03Like what would you use that for? And that would be to repel down. That's the only reason that would be there. There's no explanation for what is this. They also found artifacts from that era from the early 1900s artifacts that people were there So it's possible that they repelled that like they might have been standing right above that Entrance and there are reverse angles of that rock face that look a little Weird it could be parodolia, but it what's parodolia? Parodolia is the Is the mind's ability to see Objects in random noise. You know, it's something we evolved to you know to see predators in the forest That's why if you see a cloud that looks like a Abraham Lincoln right right it's not Abraham Lincoln, you know, it's it's Parodolia But but debunkers will always fall on Parodolia so so like the real believers they hate that word god That would be imagine everything would have to be re re re re re re re written If they found some evidence of a law civilization with no connection to any known civilization That was advanced.

30:07That was living in the Grand Canyon. Did you ever think about going to the Grand Canyon? To go and just be an outlaw and go see. How would you get in though? I mean, if they have black helicopters and they're scanning the sky or scanning the ground with some sort of a drone or a plane... We go in. Were you planning something? No, no, no, no. What should we do? I don't have a contract, all right? So this is already dangerous me sitting here. But I got your back. If I go. Yeah. Because even if they drag out, questions have to be posed. Right. Why couldn't I draw that? What did he do wrong? Well, he violated this area.

30:53Okay. Well, how come? Yeah. Well, when you think about how dangerous the Grand Canyon is overall, there's not a safe area. Yeah, it's literally a canyon. You could fall at any of a million spots along the way to your death. Have you been there? Yes. Unmo... It's incredible. Incredibly you couldn't paint a better picture, but as you get closer to that edge, you can feel your amygdala going, oh, back up. Like it's seriously dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. God, the problem is I want to believe. with all these things. Yeah, most people enjoy your show. Want to believe that's why it's so fun. And I don't believe in most of the stuff I talk about.

31:39But when I approach a story, I try to find as much evidence as I can to support it, and I also want to find the other side. So what we're left with is some truth. And not all stories can be fully debunked. And I've had my mind flipped a couple of times. Crop circles, hollow moons, and really crazy shit. It had flipped me around. Crop circles is a weird one. So weird. It's a weird one because when I first saw them, I'm like, what is that? And then I saw that these guys were doing them with boards and string. I was like, oh, it's just people being silly. And then I watched a whole documentary about how the energy that bent these things over caused these nodes to explode as if they had been cooked in a microwave.

32:23Correct. And then you find out that the actual stocks are woven together. It's not that they're pressed down, they're woven together. And that these are complex geometric designs that would have taken people weeks to map out. And there's no footprints leading up to it. There's no roads, no machinery, no evidence of any use of any kind of machinery. And these things appear like that. Like people have flown over an area and then flown back an hour or two later, and there's immense football field size, perfect geometry that no one can explain how it was created. Correct. So the nodes in the stalks, the node is like a knuckle on your fingers.

33:08So those are there for phototropism to bend toward light. So what you're talking about is these things are bent over. They're bent over at right angles. It can only be done with high energy, but also around these crop circles, they're finding microscopic metallic spherodes in around the circles. And that's not conspiracy theory, they're finding them. And there are these magnetic fields around the circles. And you can see videos online of people going into these crop circles and their hands start to get red, things are happening to them. So I went into crop circles thinking it was all guys with boards, but then when you watch people with boards make a crop circle, it's a mess.

33:50they can't do this and you cannot bend the nodes of reads and weave them together in a perfect, you can't do it. So that was as I'm doing the research and I'm like, all right, 99 % of a mistake, but there's this 1 % that I cannot explain. The famous video where you see the orbs circling around the field in England and then the crop circle slowly starts to emerge. Has that happened to you debunked? Semi, it's controversial because the guy released that video, I don't know his name off hand. Allegedly went to a visual effects house. Oh boy. And released it. But they somehow put that thing together in a matter of hours, which is suspicious.

34:32So in my episode on it, I said, all right, here's what the skeptics say. But you know, in the 1990s, to do that kind of VFX work, because it looks real. I don't know. To me, I'm on the fence about it. You know, I'm very convenient that they got the footage. It is, you know, it is. Operation Blackbird was a famous operation in 1990 to try and capture the footage live by a great researcher named Colin Andrews and He's the guy that does the books on crop circles, right? Yes. Yeah, he's all in He's all in and he got a lot of support for Blackbird and not only did nothing happen He was totally embarrassed by it and it was all like streaming live and a lot of people were involved He's embarrassed.

35:16We find out later that while they're like waiting for the circles to happen just a few miles away There's a military top secret military operation doing whatever they're doing. He doesn't know why and then he gets a knock on the door from someone You know men and black whoever it is that set first offers him him money to stop his work then threatens him with whatever threatens his family and And he doesn't know who this guy is. They go back and look at the tapes and he sees the guy in the background, like one of the TV crews. So the theory is, some type of intelligence was embedded into Blackbird, made to discredit him.

35:53And that was kind of, that was kind of the end of Colin Andrews because he was, he was a legit researcher at that point. Now he's, now he's fringe, now he's pseudo science. But I get into that the episode. That was something I discovered. I never knew that there was intelligence involved. I didn't know that there was a military op, which it's confirmed. It's all it's it's wild. So do you think they discredited him on purpose? Yes Interesting To make the crop circle thing looks foolish But like what is the crop circle thing like what is the out of the believers? What is the best theory the believers is that it's It's a way to message Craft or it's a landing site or it's some type of communication But why would they do it in a meat field?

36:37I don't know, it doesn't make sense to me. If you have the technology, just, you know. Yeah. Pick up the phone, you know, there's better ways than just mowing wheat down. But I don't understand. Do you know the one about the Mandelbrot set? I've seen it. Yeah. I think that one is really weird because I think it coincides with the fractal creation of the Mandelbrot set by these people that are into this kind of geometry and fractals, that like someone made the mantle -brought set, which is essentially an infinite fractal of like spectacular design. And this is before Lorenz and Lorenz attract, I think it's before that, isn't it?

37:20I don't know. Before was mainstream. Yeah, before it was mainstream. Right, yes. And then when this thing appears and people are like, well, what is this design? And then they connect it to this mantle -brought set, which is someone would have to have some very esoteric information to be able to. And it's the mental broad set using Fibonacci numbers and the fee, the golden ratio. It's accurate. It's accurate down to inches. Yeah. You can't do that. Well, maybe you can, but like how and how long would it take and how much planning and how many people and what would you use? Like what is the technology that it would use to bend those things over that way and weave them.

38:01It's very weird stuff. It's weird. Because it's these, you know, the way these fractals work, it's this ratio in the geometry is like their specific size, as this one is half the size of that one, which is half the size of that one, which is that, and it goes on and on forever. And when you see it, all, see if you can find the mandalbrot set. It's, maybe the most spectacular crop circle. It's weird. It's really weird because it's fucking enormous. You know, and it seems so stupid. Wow, there's a whole bunch of them. The Mandobrot set is the one with the Luke K like a heart about that one right there.

38:39Yeah, that's it. That's the Mandobrot set. Yep, and there's some other fractals there as well. I was looking at an article that says these two guys took on the challenge and did it for a TV show on the BBC. They did, if you watch them do it, it's clumsy AF. Yeah, it doesn't look as good. Like, like trying to find a solution. because I know they always say that these guys did it, but like, you can't really see it there, but those flattened reads, they're woven together. Well, some of the weirder ones, go back to other crop circles, you had some other images before that. There's some other ones, those ones, those spirals.

39:15Like that one right there, yeah, yeah, yeah, that is fucking wild. That's wild. This is multiple football fields long and wide. So how make that one a little bigger place and one of these I don't know if it's that one in particular showed up right next to Stonehenge Like yeah, like a tennis ball throw away like that is Crazy to not first of all if you're on the ground All right, just the measurements alone to make each one the equal distance between circles You know in the whatever six different blades that you have that stem from the center. They're all the same distance, they're all the same size.

39:57The small circles are the ones that are most interesting because how hard is that to do? Right. Right. And they're uniform. And it's like, what is that? What the fuck is that? And who's, if that is a hoax, it's so bizarre that it's only these two goofballs that were making really shitty ones with boards and strings. And yet there's hundreds, if not thousands of these, like really complex ones. Those are the guys that are on, you can see them doing it live. And with those guys, there's no way they had enough time to do all these things. And it looked terrible. You said, look, you're just trampling it.

40:38Yeah. I mean, look, you can certainly make crop circles with a string and a board. You certainly can make crop circles. But you're and you know it always gets connected like believing in aliens and everything else But it's not no one's even saying aliens like what it could be some sort of energy From something that we possess some something that humans possess that they somehow another Aim at these areas like what does that one above it go that one right there above like right right there What the fuck is that thing look at that they are in the same count? 80 % of them come from the same county in England.

41:14Which is also weird. Now people will correct me in the comments, but I believe that middle piece of geometry is a hypercube, isn't it? Isn't that a four dimensional cube? I don't know. That test erect? It does look like it, but what the fuck? How long would that take? That seems like that would take a long time to do. Stonehenge is under constant surveillance and circles show up overnight. Very weird stuff. There's an interesting conspiracy to crop circles that we can get into later. Will Chire has the most crop circles in England. Yes, and it's mostly in England too, which is also weird. And it mostly will sure.

41:53Man, like, is there some sort of a theory by the Cooke's? Lay lines. Lay lines. That they're happening on these segments of energy that intersect. What is that black and white one, Jamie? Click on that one. just a no no no no the one that one what the fuck is that wow wow on a mountain crazy sand I think it was like sand dunes is that what that is not circle 60 that's crazy but I've never seen that one as wild I mean just the amount of time that it would take to do these things so lay lines so this is the theory that's the theory have you heard about LA lines? Kind of. It's this this um alleged grid of energy that circles the earth and almost like how magnetic fields work and this these energy lines have intersection points and on these intersection points with things like Stonehenge, Giza, Snow on a mountain in France.

42:55Wow! Where are the tracks in? What? You know it okay. What the fuck is that so this is no footprints no tracks? Yeah, but that could be it could be the day to discover right other this a guy that did it though These aren't crop circles. This is an artist did that has the guy's name on that first picture we had Amazing Simon Beck. So the artist angles conspiracy angle is a man named John Lundberg Who is a was part of a group called circle maker makers dot org, which is an art project and also Sociology experiment he would make fake crop circles to see how people would react years later Lundberg and some associates Created documentary called Mirage men which is excellent documentary and it's mostly about Richard Dody and his disinformation campaign on behalf of the Air Force to discredit the UFO community, drove Paul Benowitz nuts, Bill Moore, who was the guy who essentially brought Roswell out to the public, Bill Moore was taking payments and being fed information from Dodie to muddy the waters in the UFO community.

44:05He finally came clean in 89, was boot off the stage, it moved on, and everything just unraveled. So it's all disinfo. And boot him off the stage? Because he finally said, look, I've been working with the government. A lot of the stuff I've been saying they told me to say, majestic 12, all this stuff was coming from Dodie. And they didn't want to hear it. They didn't want to hear it. His career was basically over that day. Wow. Bill Moore. There was no Roswell story before Moore, before his book. And you know, that was Dodie. So the documentary about Dodie was directed and put together by Lundberg and his associates.

44:43It's Lundberg was one of the original circle makers that would make these fake crop circles to see how people would react. I just thought it was an interesting connection. But it's interesting because clearly some people are making these, but like what was the origins of it? Because I'm sure you've seen that image from the newspaper of the devil with a scythe, you know what I mean? And they're talking about crop circles, like back in like the 17, 1800s. 1678. Yeah, 1600. So, wow. First crop circle ever reported was in 1678, according to the story of farmer. The crop molar were arguing about the cost of harvesting the farmer's oat field.

45:20The farmer was furious at the molar's price and stormed off swearing that the devil himself should harvest the crop. That night a dazzling light lit up the oat field and in the morning. The farmer discovered perfectly round circles in his crops. He was so frightened by the circles which he thought could only have been so neatly by the devil or some infernal spirit that he abandoned any attempt to harvest the field. That's all scary. You scared the circles. Come on, pussy. Really though? If you were crop circles in my backyard, I would be a little nervous. I would be curious. It's not terrifying.

45:57They're not something that would scare me away from harvesting my crop. No, I'm more afraid of the government than ammo. but you know, that's nothing. Rob circles don't seem to be telling anyone. No. But it's like, what are, so ley lines? So these things are to differentiate areas so they can see them from the skies, have the idea? The ley lines are the energy lines. Whatever, mystical energy, it's not a scientific energy. And where the lines intersect is where you see sites like Machu Picchu, Kizah, Stonehenge, all these ancient sites. There's the laylines. But laylines is, you know, it's semi debunkable because if you connect enough lines, you're going to find patterns.

46:40You're going to find geometry. Right, right, right. You go looking for it. Right. Yeah. Very, just very weird stuff. The, like I said, I used to think it was total nonsense. I thought I saw some documentaries on it where they were talking about the nodes and they were talking about some of these things are just so complex and they appear so quickly. The nodes and the braiding to me was like, okay, now I got to change my approach to this. What do you think it is? Yeah, I don't know. I think it's beyond us. We're just monkeys trying to guess math. I don't know. Every time we make a guess on this show, someone's laughing.

47:20Of course. Someone's like, you know, they think it's a landing site. Well, it's one of those subjects that if you even entertain it, you're almost like most immediately a fool, which I'm super comfortable with being a fool. I entertain a lot of foolish ideas, but that one is particularly foolish because people always point to those guys with boards. And I'm like, not so fast. Yeah, those guys with boards definitely made some circles, but there's some of them that are really spectacular. Yeah. And it just doesn't, and when you factor in the nodes and you factor in the weaving and And then these incredible geometric shapes, like how are you even mapping that?

47:59Like how are you doing that? How many people are involved? How long does it take? I, you know, I would take people so long it would never be that accurate. Yeah. You know, with ropes and boards, you know, I just don't see it. Right, but like it leaves you with this weird mystery. Just like what, what is this? I wish I knew. This is one of those things that like it's almost like the universe is laughing at us Every now and then it just shows you something that's like so goofy Do you have to go what is real? The you know a great it was a hoax, but a great crop circle was the arisibo response. Do you know that one?

48:35Yes That was a great one. Yeah, we sent the arisibo message You know, we had had all the symbols on it that it sent it back with like a half a you alien face right in a show where in their solar system they live, what their DNA was like. He was a great one. Who did that one? I don't know. I don't know if it was Circle Makers, I don't know who it was, but it was a hoax, but it was like a really well thought out one. Well, that one kind of looks like a hoax. Like it's so on the nose, you have an alien face in the crops, or? Wasn't that different than the, than the ericie response was it? Is it? I forget.

49:09I think they were related. I'm not sure though. They're responses. I thought was so cool. I thought the ARICS, C -BOW response was aligned with that UFO thing, the alien face. See if you can find the crop circle that's other, Jamie. You could be right. As soon as you see the alien face, you're out. I think the ARICS, C -BOW response is next to, there it is above that, Jamie. You just had it. If you scroll, go to the top right there. Bam. Okay. So that's different. That's different. But there's an... So the ARICS is the answer problem cover for someone on Apple. Right. But the crop circles are real crop circle that that is somebody actually made that right and that's a message in that circle That's viral as a message look at that one to the right There's the RC response down there with the humanoid face.

49:56Yeah, that's it. That's it Very weird. So that's a hoax. That's a hoax, but boy. It's a good one. It's a fucking great one Go back a couple posts Yeah, right there. That one on the right hand side. That's crazy. It's the small circles that get me. Oh, it's fucking, if it is a hoax, it's amazing. That is just so weird. But again, it's like one of those like, it doesn't, it's not satisfying. No, it's not. know there's not like every just at the end of it you're just like I don't know that's why the worst question is what do you think it is right i was hoping you had something stupid i don't know man yeah i don't know either but i do know that i want to believe which is always the problem with me with all these things you know i want to believe the bases in anardica i want to believe that there's pyramids up there all that stuff yeah and when you find out It's something to the bunk, how do you feel?

51:03Oh, you know. Are you okay? Yeah. I mean disappointed, but. But there's a party that goes, yeah, it's probably right. Well, I think most of our bullshit. I think like most UFO sightings are bullshit. Most UFO sightings are probably people seeing experimental military aircraft and things along those lines, satellites, that's a big one. Like those, the Starlink ones fly across the night sky Yeah, oh my god, it's an alien. It's not an alien you could see with your naked eye Yeah, but if you didn't know what it was looks like a fleet it does Fine across the sky and the way that they alternate lights.

51:40It looks like there's an intelligence to it right. Yeah, yeah I've never seen anything myself have you no Gino has what did Gino saw it and I think I think maybe Jeremiah said he saw the same thing Gina saw a giant orb of light over the Pacific Ocean and he watched it for a long time. And I said, where's the photo of it? And he said, I was so in awe, I didn't even think to get out my phone. He's like, man, but that's a common thing you hear. You're just so in awe, you don't think I got to selfie this. Right, you probably, if you actually saw something, there's a high probability that you'd be so freaked out, you'd be just in the moment.

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53:50Ready to bring calm to the chaos? Go to shipstation .com and use the code JRE to sign up for your free trial. Yep. And you know, Gino's legit. He's not in that bullshit. Not in the bullshit. Yeah. Now I've talked to quite a day fully how to exciting. He saw something. Gino talked to David. They saw the same thing. Yeah, well, there's always the question of like what's going on off the coast and I'm sure you're aware of this one That we actually talked about it the other day, but we never found it There's a structure that's off of Malibu in the deep water that was available on Google Maps Was this structure was and now it's blurred out yep, but it looked like there's openings in it There's the top that's flat.

54:38It looks like looks like a base looks like a base It looks like a base. Yeah. You know, if it's... And now it doesn't. Now it just looks like blurry water. Yeah, like why does it look different now? Like what's going on? With the gun to my head, all the weird stuff is in the ocean. It's not from another planet. Really? No, I don't know. Who knows? But it makes a lot more sense that the stuff we're seeing... It's the best place to hide is just deep water. So not from another planet originally? Like maybe originally, and that's where they make their base. It's hard for me to square how to travel great distances.

55:15It's hard for me to square that. You know, I know that we've got the albacaer drive and warp drive and all these theoretical things about compressing space time and all of that. You know, I get it. But it's hard for me to think that that's solvable. But what is interesting is maybe another species evolved alongside of us a long time ago and has been here a long time and said, you know what? Let's go here's this is where we go to avoid cataclysm and Geological instability let's go into water. That's a weird one though because like what kind of technology are you utilizing? How would you achieve how to do achieve that level of technological Spirited and not completely control man?

55:57Because if I was an intelligent species that was capable of developing bases under the water, I'd be super concerned at all the different things that human beings are doing to ruin things. Like if we had chimps that all of a sudden had flame throwers and they were light in the jungle on fire, we'd probably take their flame throwers. So like we would turn off the nuclear reactor. Right. So we talk about humans. If this theory's true that they evolved here, there were no humans. Humans are 300 ,000 years old. They would take whatever species a lot longer than that to evolve to this technological level.

56:32And we've seen the craft just zip into water with no displacement. Right. You know where they go and then there there are unnamed whistleblowers, you know anonymous sources that say there's a there's a base near the community triangle The Navy knows about it. They know not to get close it moves around a little bit I'm gonna do an episode on it soon because it's just too good not to Carroberated by another Biologist who said he worked with the retrieval team and yes their stuff and what this base does is it From raw materials creates craft to go on specific missions So, always the question, why is there a saucer?

57:05Why does it look like a pyramid? Why is it this? It's because the custom built for a mission. And there's an AI and a species down there and they say, we're going to go survey mountain haze in Alaska, super fascinating place. So we only need a scanning gear, some propulsion. And we just build it at, fits in an orb, send it out. Does its thing comes back and then it gets broken down to the, it's parts. And then another mission build it up. It's going to be a triangle. It's going to be this or that. Does its mission come back? To me, that makes good sense, a good way to do that, a good way to conserve resources, not have to go out and get stuff.

57:39I like the theory. It's a fun theory. It's a fun theory. It's a fun theory also that if you were creating bases here, like say if they're coming from somewhere else and they want to visit us, it would be far more logical to develop some sort of a base with resources and you know where you could observe things and they can exist there, completely undetected and then be able to go to wherever they're from back and forth but when they're here on Earth, they would be undetected. Right. And the ocean is literally 70 something percent of the Earth's surface. And we've mapped I think two or three percent of it.

58:23Yeah. It'd be a good place to hide and play inside. That's what I would do and to make things from raw materials, meaning like molecular level stuff, you're, I mean, you're totally off -grid. You know, yeah, we don't need to strip mine. We got everything here. Right. Right. And if you have something that's a trans -medium vehicle, so it doesn't displace the water, it works on some sort of a warp drive or something. I think you have to get into interdimensionality then and all. It gets a little, it gets a little wild. But if you're not displacing air or water That that means you're phasing through matter right which is theoretically doable because everything is mostly space Well, they said they've mapped things going under the water 500 knots Right without making a splash yeah no ripples no discernible waves Just drag lugainus right in there nothing 500 knots under the water.

59:19I mean what the fuck could do that? amount of energy. You don't have to go through that much resistance of deep water, 500 miles an hour, 500 knots. Right, look at how when they do missile tests from subs, how those things are just like, ah, trying to get out of the water. Yeah. And these things just go, bloop, yeah, and nothing. Well, that's the weird ones. And, but that would make you also think like maybe it is a hologram. Right. Because if there are these transmedium things, but the thing is they're seeing that with radar. Right, which means heat signature or mass. Right. Or electromagnetic displacement.

59:57Or if it was, if it is some sort of photons, like some sort of a projection, would that not have some kind of a heat signature? It would have, it was ionized air. Mm. You know, that That would be plasma, so that was hot. If that's what it is. But when they go into the water, we see them under the water for a second and you don't see any refraction. So that kind of screws up the holographic projection theory a little bit because there's no light refraction. So how did you do that? No, I'm asking you how to do that. I don't know either. I mean that's my answer. Yeah, I mean you've had physicists on here that I've seen go.

1:00:43Yeah Well the really crazy ones are the ones that the fighter pilots have seen because You know particularly commander -fraver and the other people that were on that mission with him So two separate jets you have four people that are eyewitness to this thing and then that there was something actually Under the surface of the water like an aircraft carrier an enormous thing that this tiktok attack is hovering above, and then that thing descends into the water. The tic tac turns towards them, jamming their signal, is hovering in space, and then shoots off at such an insane rate of speed that most of the things that we have on Earth would just disintegrate and fall apart just from the sheer pressure.

1:01:28Of course, and from the inertia, it can be done. Now if I were doing an episode on tic tac or go faster, gimbal, I would be remiss if I and include McWest's analysis of those. And I know you've talked to McAnon off -threatening. He's like a professional debunker. He is. He wants a debunk thing that I don't think can be debunked. He does. And he approaches it as it's definitely fake. And I'm going to show you why. Yeah, everything is definitely fake. Almost at the point where I'm like, who are you working for? Right. Who are you working for? Everyone thinks we're CIA, by the way. I mean you? Oh yeah, Reddit is convinced I'm CIA.

1:02:00Oh, that's two? That's why my channel blew up in two and a half years. Because the CIA is back. Oh, I've heard that before. I've heard that about many people. Like the reason why they got successful. I've heard that about me too. Yeah. Like go back to 2009, we have 200 viewers. Like the CIA suck back then. You were helping me at all. Dude, I remember just watching you with little squares on U -stream, just like the top of your head and Brian and Duncan. I mean, that's what if Geno's like, you gotta watch Joe Rogan's show on U -stream. I'm like, what are you talking about? He's a comic. He's like, he's got Graham Hancock on.

1:02:33And I'm like, oh, I gotta watch that. And that's when I started watching. I think Graham was our first serious guest. So it was Duncan and I, and we're in my house and Graham flew from England. We ate pizza in my kitchen. It was the first time I got to meet him. I was so pumped, because I've read his book in the 90s. I read him. Yeah, fingerprints of the gods, amazing book. For the art bell is who told me about it. Yeah, I remember my wife was like, you should read like real, real art calligraphy. I'm like, no, this is fucking interesting shit. Why should it be your wife of scientists or something?

1:03:01No, no, no, she's just a little more serious than me. Yeah. My brain is smarter than me. Same. Same. But it's like, I still to this day will pick up those books and read them. And it's like, I do not think that modern archaeology has the full story. And I've seen the way they behave. I saw the way Flint double behaved with Graham. They're gatekeepers. They don't want anyone to have any information that they don't have. So even in the face of very compelling information, they dismiss openly, quickly, without any consideration. They just want to dismiss it, and then they want to pretend that any archaeologist that presents any kind of information that fucks up the narrative isn't immediately attacked, and they are.

1:03:48Their careers are ruined, whether you go back to Clovis first, or any of these different archaeologists that have proposed alternative theories of the human timeline, all of the conventional archaeologists, all the mainstream people attacked them. Randall Carlson, Rob and Chuck, John F. West. If I were advising grandma, I would have said, don't do that debate. Don't do it. There's no way to come off. You're not going to convince anybody. And you're just going to come off, not looking great. And I've seen his response on his own site. And he's even said that was probably a mistake. He wasn't prepared enough.

1:04:25but you'll never be prepared enough for a professional debunker. You just won't be. They'll have too much. No one told him, don't go into the lives. Well, the problem was he wasn't being honest. Flint was not being honest about the information that we have, particularly about offshore shipwrecks. He was just not honest. Nope. And the amount that they have discovered, not honest. And Graham didn't know that at the time. And also, the timeline of how old these are. When you get to 5 ,000, 6 ,000 years, there's no ship left. All you have is like the pottery and whatever is on the ground at the bottom.

1:05:02And if you're talking about 10 ,000 years, 15 ,000 years, who's to say that that's not completely covered by sediment by then? And it probably would be. Well, you know, I watched a little of Zaya Was on here. That's all you need. There's a little. That's the episode. You get it. I couldn't believe he was still doing it. I mean, maybe he was around when they actually built the things. I think that was probably the best advertisement for alternative archaeology you're ever going to get. When you see the guy that's the gatekeeper and how close mine did he is. He didn't mention the cap stones, the limestone facing from Tori, he didn't even talk about it.

1:05:37Well, also, this just saying it was the national project and that's how they were able to get 80 ton stones 500 miles away through the mountains on sleds. It's like, come on. The Aslan stones are from 1200 miles away. Yeah. You know, the tourist stones are, I don't know, 20, 30 miles away or why are we doing that? How about those Lebanon stones at Baalbek? Baalbek, they can't, how many tons is that? You need a person standing on it to even see the size of, even if you've never seen the Baalbek stone if you're listening, the thing is, it's like a skyscraper on its side. Yeah. And it's one solid piece.

1:06:18And it was moved there. Yes, see pull up the ballbeck stones and Lebanon because there's stuff that's above it That is like of a more recent time period, but it seems to have been put there on top of these older stones That are so big they don't make any sense Like that's just one of them that was quarried but not moved but the ones that are in place Go to the ones like see like these ones the ones that are above So they're the lower stones and the ones above you don't realize how big they are Unless you can get a human being to stand next to them, but they are Posterously big like there you go, right like you 15 feet high 30 40 feet long.

1:07:04I mean they're shown in metrics. I'm confused Incredible and who who did it and when when was that done and then there's like Malta like that stuff that they think Malta was constructed when the sea levels were much lower. So there was a way to make a path to there from Italy and from these other places because they found the Andertal bones there. And that allegedly giants built that and Daring Kuhi and all the hidden cities underneath the Capitokia and Turkey that they're finding are connected. No one knows who made them. No one knows who made them and they can have thousands of people living underground.

1:07:44They can bring fresh water from the aquifers. They can bring fresh air and circulate it. They have defensive mechanisms with these giant stones and nobody knows how they made them. Yeah. And who? And why? Yeah. Great flood. Yeah, that's the theory, right? The theory, the great flood, and then the younger dry impact theory destroyed the atmosphere where there was like above the earth, which is like chaotic, and they sought refuge underground. I lean more toward the ice sheets melted from a solar event than an impact, but it certainly could be either. Well, it could be a combination of things because it's also, they think there was more than one, the impact event happened.

1:08:24They know this based on core samples, iridium, the nano diamonds that come from impacts. Is it a Greenland impact? Yeah, not just Greenland, North America. they think it have, I think they found these, the evidence of this stuff, like 30 % of the earth's surface, where they believe these things had hit. I think we got bombarded. Right, so that would be like flying through an asteroid field, like the, like the lean ins or the perseus of torres. So the remnants of some giant object that is rubble, and we just fly through it, which means we fly through it frequently. We fly through it twice a year.

1:09:00Twice a year. But we don't always, you know, most of the time we get lucky and it's not a really a hot one, but like what happened there are Tunguska. Tunguska, right? That's that's grandma. It's 1907. And in the same month that we pass through that comet field. That's right. Yeah. Right. That's over Siberia. And that was an air burst, I believe, because there's no impact crater. Right. But it flattened like millions of square miles of trees. And still fucked to this day. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. There's images of that.

1:09:32If film of it. It's crazy. It looks like a bomb went off. Yeah, we're in a shooting gallery. You know, earth is flying through a shooting gallery. There's 900 ,000 near earth objects that are just hovering around out there. And NASA says we track most of them. Because in those fields with the Persia towards there are big objects. There are earth killers in there. Oh, yeah. You know, an apophis is lurking. A poffis is the big one. That's due to fly by in a few years. What's that one? That's a giant asteroid that's, I think it's due to fly by maybe 2030 something. How big is that one? I'll get it wrong.

1:10:13I mean, I'm going to say a million things wrong today. I'll hear all about it. But it's a, it's a planted killer. Like it's a, it's a, it's a civilization ender. And it's going to fly near, like we're going to be able to see it during the day. 375 meters across about the size of a cruise liner. It will pass within 32 ,000 kilometers of Earth's surface on April 13, 2029. Now stop there. That's about that's closer than the moon. I mean way closer than the moon. Yeah. So that's what's that's 70 ,000 miles where the moon is 250 to 50 300. So we're going to see that. What you don't want to see that in this you don't want to look up and see that.

1:10:54Just knowing that one's far larger of pass through. Mm -hmm. And then we know for sure a bunch of hit, you know. For sure. You know, Chichanita, that one. All right, Chichaloo, but that was a pseudo science until that father of someone down there and found it. And that wasn't that one. I think that was when I was growing up, the dinosaurs died. It was, that was a conspiracy theory. Right. And they found it. I think around the UK, Katana impact. Yeah. Under the ocean. And the Eritian matches it. Uh -huh. Yeah. All that is really spectacular stuff. It's just like when you look at the moon, you see the craters all over it and you realize, okay, this is what happens when you don't have an atmosphere.

1:11:38And you also don't have water and you can see everything that hits. Like the whole thing. The whole thing will cover it. But why are there so many fewer impacts on the other side? Are there fewer? Really. I can't, I don't know. The moon, I have a, it became a saying on the show. I even have a t -shirt. The moon is weird. Yeah. Like, Gino's my weird topic guy. It's like, what should we talk about? He's like, do hollow moon. So I went into that story thinking, this is dumbest shit I've ever heard. The moon is hollow. And I'm doing the research about halfway through. I'm like, hmm, the moon is weird.

1:12:11And then by the end of my research, I was convinced that clearly the moon is a hollow spaceship that was brought here from another part of the galaxy. and it's here and the lizard people are absorbing our soul energy. That's the only explanation for it. Probably not true, but man, the moon is very weird. Well, it's also weird that the alignment and the size and the distance of the moon makes the eclipse perfect. Like, what are the odds of that? What are the odds that it is the exact distance from the sun so that when the moon and the sun align, it's exact. Right, it's like a 400 to one race. It's exact.

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1:14:29Not found a planet in this solar system or anywhere else that has a giant moon right next to it. Core to the size of the earth. We haven't found it. Yeah. know, the only one with it. And there are ancient legends that talk about a moonless sky and when the moon arrived and when it arrived, it caused a great flood. What are the ancient stories of a moonless sky? Where they from? Ancient Indian text will have it, but also native legends will have it about the moonless sky and then the moon arrives. And when do they think the moon arrived? It's hard to tell. I always go to younger drives, younger drives, but who really knows?

1:15:11The earth was apparently just covered in this haze, just very wet, very hazy, maybe like venous or something like that. Then the moon arrives and all that water from the atmosphere drops down to earth. The tidal forces are crazy, there's a huge flood and everything just settles and then the moon is here and the moon is now like the guardian of the planet. Which it really is we could you know we couldn't really survive without because it stabilizes our atmosphere Stabilizes us and stabilizes our orbit our orbit and and our spin and our axis Yeah, when there's a major earthquake the earth changes speed the spin chain like our spin It chain like measurably if there's a big earthquake and if there's a lot of those Back to throw you off the axis, but the moon steps in like a bouncer and settles things back down Hmm So the idea would be that some sort of a Superior civilization placed the moon there to ensure our survival.

1:16:08I don't I don't think they care about us really No, I don't think so. You come again. We're we're we're in very speculous territory because nobody knows Right, but I would think it would just be for resources. Hey, this place is a lot of stable water That's useful. Don't you think they would be fascinating with us as an emerging civilization and like I would say that if we found a planet that had cave people on it, like just starting to learn stone tools and stuff like that, we would for sure be interested in them. We'd be so fascinated. And we would probably try to accelerate their learning curve.

1:16:44You think we would? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. We'll think of what a lot of these jerk offs have done with like, uncontacted tribes and stuff like that. We're always trying to intervene and do something with them. You know the dark forest theory? No, it's a Lucian Shire who wrote the three -body problem on all those. Dark Forest theory says that if you attain a certain level of technology, the best thing you can do is just be quiet because the universe is a dark forest and the first person to stick his head out dies because you don't want a competitor in your region. So as soon as a culture gets close to some technology that could mate that they're on a path to threaten you, you got to take them out.

1:17:27You got to you got to halt their technology and three body problems is kind of based on that That's what they do in the books and that seems to make a little more sense to me than sort of this altruistic Hey, let's help them you know the Star Trek approach. Let's make first contact and all of that you know I Like you know human nature's a tricky thing We're very selfish You know you and I might want to see those people and help them along But there's a lot of people that would not want a competitor in the neighborhood We am maybe but what if they don't even think of us as a competitor? What if they're they're so advanced like if there are millions of years advanced wouldn't they like this is the thing that Diana Pasalka and Gary Nolan a lot of these people that study crashed retrievals That there's a term that they use that these are donations Right.

1:18:22These vehicles are donations and that the idea is we're supposed to look at this and formulate new ideas through reverse engineering. And you know there's circumstantial evidence of that. True. If you look at Bell Labs and all the crazy discoveries after Roswell, like we're using cathode ray tubes and suddenly transistors are made and silicon semiconductors and wireless transmission and Bell Labs is all these leaps forward fiber optics, fiber optics, laser technology came out of Bell as well. And the retrieval experts say that fiber optics and lasers for sure is reverse engineered. And it kind of makes a lot of sense because it seemed to have come out of nowhere that suddenly Bell Labs has it.

1:19:08But it's, my question is where is the stuff? We've got World War II, we go into Korea in 1950 and at the time, Russia had the MiG -15 was basically on par with us. I think we had the F -86 at the time, which, and MiG might have even been better. So that would have been a great time for some advanced tech. But America did catch up and exceed the Soviets about 51 -52 during Korea and then has been superior ever since. But you would think that after 47 with the Soviets there, let's get some of this anti -Grividic stuff going. Yeah, maybe the problem is that you're working in this very compartmentalized environment so you're not allowed to share with all these different scientists.

1:19:56So because of that, there's no collaboration which is necessary for real innovation. You have to have extra rights from a bunch of different fields analyzing all the different aspects of it. This is what Lazar pointed to the problems that they were having at S4. When they were trying to back engineer this stuff, he's like, you can't do science like this because everything is so top secret and so compartmentalized. The metallurgists were not allowed to talk to the propulsions people and no one was allowed to talk to anybody else And everybody was just like what the fuck is going on right what are these things where like they didn't even tell him Allegedly, you know if the story's true They didn't even tell him where this thing came from they they show it to him And there's a United States flag sticker on it and he's like oh this is ours Oh, that makes sense and then these examiners like oh no, it's not like there's no seems in this thing like what is this What is the metal?

1:20:47Why is it designed for something that's three feet tall? Like there's no controls inside this thing. Like what does this reactor, how does this thing work? There's a chair. Yeah. You know, there's a couple of chairs. It looks like there's a neural interface maybe. You know, you hear a lot of the scientists, they're frustration. Like if I could just talk to these guys, you know, I'm picking up an EM field from this. The metal largest would be helpful here. It's telling me what's going on. You know, I keep coming across spinning mercury all the time spinning mercury the spinning mercury engine has been Part of the law since ancient India has the Vamanas, you know those those craft If you look at the ancient texts it may have been in the Mahabharata Yeah, but they allude to this liquid metal and then you fast forward to like the Nazis building the Bell the Deglock That was a mercury engine and then we fast forward a little further mark a candleish and they are V vehicle the I forget the flux liner, that's spinning mercury engine.

1:21:47So spinning mercury keeps popping up. And spinning mercury would cause some type of field. What that would be, I'm not a scientist, I'm not sure, but it would certainly throw off a bunch of ions that could maybe be harnessed or used for something. But it's like, we're trying to explain things to us based on our current understanding of technology. Like, glass was invented a long time ago, but imagine showing up with a brand new Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra with Gorilla Glass, you know, in the thin frame and looking at that. What the fuck is this? There'd be statues of you for a thousand years. You know what glass is, you know what metal is, right?

1:22:31Well, this is glass of metal. You're like, what? No, what the fuck is this? We took sand and made it real hot, and it made it clear. Huh? What? Right. You can drop it on the concrete and it doesn't break. Right. Yeah. So just our current understanding of technology based on the origins of that technology, just metal and glass. You show someone, metal and glass is thousands of years old, show them what we have now with metal and glass. They'd be blown away. And you just keep going. Keep going. Go a thousand years from now. What does it all look like? It's like probably some sort of gravity propulsion system, probably 3D printed, so there are no seams.

1:23:11Right. And that's the frustration about disclosure is how far could we be by now? Right. You know, had it been disclosure in 47 or whatever? It's even more of a sia if it's all bullshit. Like, it's a sia if it's actually is like, wow, the government is actually really good at one thing. They're good at keeping secrets about UFOs. That's right. But if they're not, if it's all bullshit, like boy, how weird, that we've been like focusing on this nonsense, like as a culture, it got in the front page of the New York Times in 2017, but anyway, it's all nonsense. Right. That's almost less likely. Well, if you look at what Doty did in the 70s and 80s with Paul Benowitz, when Benowitz discovered this advanced technology on Curtain Air Force Base, he called the base and said, I think there's UFOs.

1:23:59So they send Dodie out. He was Air Force Intelligence OSI. They send him out to Benowitz and he's like, Paul, I think it might be UFOs. It is aliens. And Paul gets a little bit wacky. And he starts intercepting signals from outer space and they're sending him messages. But it turned out it's really the NSA. We're into the house across the street. And Paul is committed at some point. And then Dodie over the years changes the story in instances. says, no, a lot of it is actually true. But Dodie has also said, as recently as 2019, Hal put off tried to recruit him for disinformation campaign with A -10.

1:24:36Really? So Hal put off has been a part of disinformation campaigns. Allegedly, allegedly forever. And what have they been doing with these disinformation campaigns? Whatever they've been trying to muddle? Just to keep guys like you and me fascinated and trying to figure stuff out while they can just operate their advanced technology in peace. Like, let them think it's aliens in UFOs. That's fine. What a dirty thing to do to us. In the 50s, they were very public about anti -gravity. It was in the papers. Yeah. The G engine, they were talking about it. And then suddenly quiet. Yeah. Jesse Michaels talks about it all the time.

1:25:14The Townsend Brown. Yes. Yeah. And, uh, and, uh, Ningly, remember her story, the physicist who disappeared. Right. And then she died in the car accident. I came back from China. Whoops. Whoopsies. Mm -hmm. Yeah. Yep. So that was AC gravity. If you guys want to look that up, she used to give talks and all of that. She was funded by DOD for $400 ,000. So we know that for sure. And then she just goes dark. She goes dark for 11 years. She shows up. I think in 2013, she's back. 2014 gets hit by a car. Why is it so fun? I don't know Mark the Klan just found all that stuff ends up killing himself all the stuff is so fun Which is why the why files are so good because it's like I always get the same feeling when I watch your show It's like oh what is the answer?

1:26:05What is real? What is it but it's what is it about us that's so intrigued by these mysteries? I mean there's so much that we know that is real just the just the nature of the cosmos itself a black holes and and solar nurseries and all that. Wild shit that's absolutely real. But there's these things that are like, yeah, but what is that? I don't think enough people are interested in it, to be honest. I think that's part of the problem. Well, I don't do you think it's because, for the most part, it's dismissed, and if you engage in it, so like if you're a normal person, not like you or I, but if you're a person that has like a job in an accounting firm, you're like a very respected legitimate person, and especially like pre -2017, pre the New York Times article.

1:26:54And you wanna start talking about like gravity propulsion systems that the government's been hiding and that it is back engineering programs. They've got crashed UFOs and there's one of them. It's only like a couple hundred feet wild when you go inside of it. It's the size of a football field. Like a artist. Yeah. Or the one in Korea that's so big they had to build a building around it because they couldn't move it. Right. I wanna know what that is. Same. Same. I don't I wish more people were interested in it. I would almost be willing to run for president just to access

1:27:28The company who beat shambles, but everybody would know everything about UFOs, dude. You have no shot. Oh They're killing for sure. I can't I can't believe the things you say are news Yeah, well it's because news is like really dead. Yes, that's just as well They're angry about independent media. Well, they are, but it's also the news is not, so their business is just clicks, and what better way to get clicks than I said something crazy. So then, you know, and then it also kind of supports the idea that we need to be gate -kept and someone needs to, you know, be able to stop us from spreading misinformation or my favorite term, malinformation.

1:28:07This is something that came up during COVID that we need to stop the spread of misinformation, disinformation, and mal -information. Mal -information is real information that is true and accurate, but would be negative in its impact to society. Which is, it's bonkers. Crazy. We can't live in that society. Well, they're making us infants, right? They're saying we can handle this, but the vast majority of you, even though we're all supposed to be equal in the government supposed to be working for you and serving the people, no. We will have this information and we will know what we're doing and you won't be able to have access to it because you're not ready for it because you're too stupid.

1:28:49They lost. They lost already. They just don't know it yet, but they lost. Yeah, they lost a long time ago. I'm gonna put out an episode about how dragons are real and when I get to the debug, I'm gonna say nothing, they're real, peace out. Triangular spacecraft, what is this? Thumb them down, I'll lower rabbit hole and found a patent that exists or did exist. It was abandoned in 2006. It could be in the, I forget the title. Look at this. It was a 7 -RB. There's a T3B. T3R is the ones that they always see, like the Phoenix lights and that one. So it says a spacecraft having a triangular hull with vertical electrostatic line charges on each corner that produce a horizontal electric field parallel to the sides of the hull.

1:29:32This field interacting with a plane wave emitted by antennas on the side of the hull generates a force per volume Combining both lift and propulsion What it gives all the math, but like I don't know what this math and if someone we need to get Eric here Someone can look at him, but like that's not real get Eric Weinstein to like do that math. It hasn't been made Obviously or And I'm surprised that classified There's other, according to this article, that's where I found it. There's what it was about the T3B thing. Right, so that's a real experiment layer. Does America have a reverse engine? You have a, whoa.

1:30:10But this goes back to 1991 with a desert storm. There's reports of what they call it, a TR3A, which looks a lot like what distilled bomber kind of is. Yeah, but also. Whoa. Yep. TR3B is said to be like nothing we've seen before. This was what I got to from Liquid Mercury. I was trying to find stuff about it and there's theories that people say that like this is probably what they're running off of. It's supposedly powered by a reverse engineered anti -gravity drive that was recovered from a crashed, early in spacecraft. The TR3B is where reports of UAP performing seemingly impossible aerial maneuvers intersect with stories about very real aircraft.

1:30:51Read the next paragraph. There are lots of claims over the internet about TR3B's anti -gravity drive most of which include using nuclear power to locate highly pressurized mercury to produce plasma and in turn a gravitational field. Whoa. Something about the mercury. Have you ever heard Eric Weinstein talk about this, there's a college in upstate New York that has an incredibly overqualified physics department and they're attached to a hedge fun that does Bernie made off type numbers. And he thinks the whole thing is a cover for some sort of advanced physics that they've been keeping a lock down on.

1:31:31And it would make total sense. I mean, SRI would be another good example of that, right? Where how was in the 70s, Project Stargain, all of that, and Stanford? The idea that the government can't keep secrets, like what about Epstein? What come on? People ask me all the time. That's in front of everybody's face and they've kept the list to secret. We're never going to see the list stop asking me you're not going to see the list Why not because everybody all you heroes are on it and they're on it a lot? It's never coming out. Yeah, and you know You know, I have a friend that thinks like a lot of the world events that you're seeing one of the reasons why people support it It is because of Epstein Because of the list because people are compromised because no one can talk about things You know, which is like really why so the government can keep some secrets That's right.

1:32:17Man, that's pretty good. Yeah, they did a great job with that. And that was one that, you know, I mean, it was a race between us and the other foreign powers. They were all trying to come up with a nuclear bomb first. We did it first. The idea that there's no way that we could have some sort of advanced propulsion system and that modern physicists would be aware of the state of the art and they would tell you, yeah, no, this is not possible. I don't think that's correct. I think you could probably, if you were working on something and you had a very specific hierarchy and you were really good at compartmentalization and you were recruiting these people at a very early stage in their career.

1:33:03People with promise, these geniuses, giving them a very high salary, a prestigious position, but then everything's locked down. Cell phones, email, they're under constant surveillance and if somebody steps out of line, like the lady in Maryland, the Chinese lady. Yep, a lot of them. A lot of them go that way. Yeah. I'm very skeptical about a lot of the whistleblowers, especially the ones that come out of Air Force intelligence and all that. But you, even when I'm talking to them, I'm like, hmm. Well, I mean, I have kind of have that needle of skepticism and it starts with, do you have a background in intelligence?

1:33:39Military intelligence. Air Force intelligence. Are you still on the payroll? Did you get your information cleared from the Pentagon. Do you have a book? And it all goes, did you release some photos that were fake? I am all but here. Then you go Bob Lazar. He has none of that stuff. Did the government target you? Did they try to discredit you? Have you been ostracized? When Lazar came out, I think, to George Napp, he didn't say his name. He didn't have any books. The first book, I think, was with him in Jeremy in 2019. So, Lazardamy is the most credible of the whistleblowers. But Jeremy and George just had a whistleblower a couple of weeks ago.

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1:36:52He's maybe in his 20s. You can see he's clearly nervous. What is his claim? His claim is that he was going through some files. He's got Top Secret Clarence and he found the immaculate constellation project, basically a power point presentation. His job was just to sort these files. He's looking through it and suddenly it's like, whoa, this is about recovery. and alien craft and he did the right thing and went to his superiors and said, you know, there's a leakage. I saw information I maybe wasn't supposed to. I'm just letting you know and his peers were like, forget about it. And he's like, and how is it?

1:37:33It's just no reprimand, no nothing. I just went back to work, but he was too fascinated by the document, so he kept pursuing it and pursuing it. And now he talks about it. I don't know his name, but if you track down Jeremy and George, you'll find it easily. That's the kid. Yeah, so here's a way that I would kind of try to debunk that of us being logical. If I was the government and I did have some very sophisticated propulsion system that's beyond the understanding of what we think to be current state of the art physics, like beyond far beyond that, I think I might release a bunch of horse shit about UFOs.

1:38:15100%. Yeah, I might put a bunch of that stuff out there to say, oh, it can't be hours. It's not hours. It's not of this world. Muddy the waters. Yeah, not just that, but attach really cookie stuff to stuff that's real so that you think the real stuff is cookie. Right, like the drone scared, remember that? That was very manufactured and the depressors all over it. We don't know where the drones are. They're flying over the military bases, all that stuff. What do you think that was? I know it was I've seen the no -tam reports. I don't you know what a no -tam is? No, that's a notice to airmen so pilots private pilots get warning of no fly zones and Usually you'll see a lot of swaths carved out of like Air Force ones flying through but for some reason this no -tam reports have all these little circles all around that you can't fly through where the drones were and I've seen that and When did the drones they suddenly stopped when right before inauguration day?

1:39:14Yeah. And no one talks about the drones anymore. Yeah, it's gone. Gone. I mean, it was mainstream news all over the place. And they had people nervous. Yeah. They had them nervous and I think that was the point. So you think they did it as a side -opt, just to see how people would react? I do. And remember, I know nothing, but that is my opinion is that it was a side -opt. And that most of this is. If there are visitors and there are from somewhere else, Wouldn't the best way to prepare us is to start flying a bunch of like really wacky shit that we have in the air and Not explain it that would be a good way to prepare us get us comfortable with seeing things hovering over New Jersey that Defy what our understanding of drone capabilities are in terms of the time that they can stay in the air Some of them were in the air like for five hours But if that's what was the reason to get us ready it back fired because it freaked people out People were very nervous about it like so our military installations are vulnerable People were very frightened That was the other thing like right Patterson Air Force base had some drones and then they had to shut the base down and Right Patterson is is like ground zero for all of it project new book that Roswell was right there Yeah, the second crash What's the second crash?

1:40:33There's a second crash, there was some miles north and west of there and you'll hear Dodie talk about it and that's where other pilots were recovered. I think total of five pilots, the EBEs, the EBEs and according to Dodie and others, one of the EBEs was stayed with the government, I think in Los Alamos, for five years, the 1952 there was Eba one or whatever. He liked strawberry ice cream. Who doesn't? Who doesn't, right? I'd be the first thing I do if I went to Planet Serpose. What's the ice cream like here? Well, just the idea that they would eat, like we eat seems crazy. Right. And then also they could breathe our air.

1:41:16Like, what are the odds of that? Well, you know, the theories are, you know, we never see aliens shit or whatever, but But there's always a rebuttal is that, you know, they have a metabolism that absorbs nutrients and their waste is recycled and all of that stuff. Photo synthesis. Something like that. Well, they do seem genderless. Mm -hmm. Genderless, giant heads. I always say that the archetype, like the grace, like close encounter grays, if you go back to like Neanderthals and then you go back to like Australia, your Pythagus covered in hair, heavily muscled, and then you go to the average due to place call of duty.

1:41:54What do we do with my quality? It's fine, it's great game. But you know what I'm saying? People become these frail, musselless things, and then your head keeps getting bigger and bigger as the mind evolves, and then human capabilities increase in terms of our ability to communicate telepathically. All these different things. No need for mouth noises anymore. See your mouth travels up. This little slit and why the eyes so so big and black because you're evolved underground Oh, I thought it was like sunglasses built in well, it could be the same like that's what I thought I'm like well that looks like sunglasses right They're gonna protect your eyeballs if like your atmosphere is far brighter and you know You have to be able to see things I think that was there was one retrieval story that that had that like one of the black eyes There's half open that they thought it might have been something a little shield like a shield I had to legit recovery story.

1:42:48I can't remember it off hand. Hmm. Like camels have a weird shield over their eyes for sandstorms. Right. Yeah, like they have like an eyelid, a clear eyelid that covers over their eyes that so they can like go through sandstorms and not get blinded. You know, it's an interesting point that you brought up about Neanderthals is, and a lot of people don't know that just about 50 ,000 years ago, And yet it calls had basically an empire over all of Europe and hundreds of thousands of years, hundreds of thousands of years. And then suddenly boom, they're defeated by frail, weak, hairless humans out of caves.

1:43:27And it's attributed to, we figured out a bone arrow. You know, we could harass from a distance, projectile weapons. And that's how we defeated this vast empire of Neanderthals who were not stupid, you know, who were bigger brains ours. Bigger brains and ours they had art culture music. They trained in warfare. They had organized warfare I mean, can you imagine staring down the barrel of a division of organized Neatletalls coming at you Right like essentially super athletes. Yes with chimpanzee like strength right and speed yeah and intelligence and We came out of the caves and defeated them Okay, and eyes so large that they think their eyes might have been they might have been able to see nocturnally Yeah, I love that episode you guys did on the antitals you debunked at the end But the idea that they were like more ape -like than they were human They look like dark skin stars dark skin fangs.

1:44:22Yeah, that was a cool episode. They're mostly debunked But yeah, but I mean there probably was some hunting of humans You know for sure and when you're dealing with something that's a far superior physical specimen Yeah, when you get much denser bones, sure, much stronger than us. And when we know that we have some of their DNA in us and it's, you know, when you hear, oh, we interbred with them. It's not precisely how it went down most likely. It's most likely the women were carried away. That's how the interbreeding happened. Yikes. Uh -huh. Yikes. Or horny men. And some lonely Neanderthal lady.

1:45:03Some dudes like a big lady. There's no shame in it.

1:45:11Yeah Just want to be cut someone's just got dense bones You know I look at for a lady with a dense head Let's have a dense baby. Yeah, what are their fucking language sound like? It's like the we used to think of them as being really stupid and until they realized that their brain mass is actually larger than ours And they were capable of language and all these different things like okay like how did we beat them? I don't know. That is a puzzle. You know, the answer is projectiles. Well, it kind of makes sense. I mean, if we were the only ones to figure out bows and arrows and adolados and all that kind of stuff.

1:45:49Yeah, we've worked. Yeah, especially we organized, you know. But you can still overwhelm, you know, you can overwhelm a few archers with just, we would just throw bodies at it. You know warfare has been fought like that for humans forever. Maybe their language is too crude to allow for that kind of communication, like to strategize. And you know what I'm saying? Like maybe their language is like very crude, normal day to day stuff. I'm hungry. I want to fuck like just kill these people. It was not complicated enough to say like we got an issue here. There's the issue. We got to get around them from the back end.

1:46:27You know, and you guys get a distract from from the front and this is what we'll do. you know. I mean that's the only thing that makes sense. Yeah. But it still doesn't make complete sense to me. Why were their brains bigger than ours? That's the weird one. Like we associate larger brains with more complex thinking. So why would what we think of as the most brutish version of human beings? I don't know, but don't need to follow brains even though they were larger had fewer convolutions. So. Oh really? Do we know that? That's part of my research which you know most of bullshit, but that's what I read.

1:47:02You know, large brain, but not as powerful. But interesting. Well, so maybe the large brain was attributable to physical capability. Just the fact that you can produce music tells me, oh, so, so much about your brain. And they produce music? They produce music. How do we know that? We found, we found relics and artifacts of it. Of musical instruments? instruments and cave writing and all that stuff. You know they used needles and thread to make clothing. Really? Wow. Yeah very strange that we beat them. That's in the underthal tool? Fluid? Fluid? Fluid some sort of flu. Wow a bone flute. Made with the bone of your defeated enemy.

1:47:45Yeah some dude you ate. Mm -hmm. Made a flute out of a shin. and I think that's the sort of musical. That's not the same, but that's a scary one. Brian Callum blew it on the show in 2019 and COVID started right afterwards. That's some of the demons. I think remember that? January 2020. Oh, okay. It was like weeks before. Weeks before the lockdown. COVID was already here. I think it was already here by then. It's like with the anti -gravity. Why can't we co -op with the Chinese? Yeah, nope. Well, we know how to do that. Yeah. Yeah. It's also fascinating to me how many different versions of human beings existed.

1:48:34You know, there's the Hobbit people, the island of Flores. Right. That's a fascinating one. The Floreyansis. So like that. So like that. Yeah, the three -foot tall little furry creatures that they think had tools and yep, work clothing and all that jazz. Yeah, and there's even the different branches like chromagnon is not really from our branch. That's really? Yeah, we branch from a different branch. So, Dennis Oven. Dennis, right. And then the what are the big head people that they just found recently? This is like super recent. Like there was was an article that was made in December of 2024 about this other new branch of the human species that had much larger heads than ours.

1:49:20And they think it was like a really thick, muscular, like heavy human being. What is it called again? Jullaran. Yeah. Big head people. Yeah. So they disappeared around the same time as the ant's house 50 ,000 years ago. Have you seen the images of what they, the reconstruction? didn't make it to see go to some of the drawings of what these people look like they look fucking insane. Were they taller? I do not know. I don't know how tall they were but they look fucking cool as shit. Yeah. Yeah. That's the one I want.

1:50:02That's one but that's not the one we're looking at. We're looking at one that theorized that it was completely covered in hair. Interesting. Yeah. So this is a very recent discovery. So how many of this is the thing? I think something like 90 % of the species that have existed we don't have fossils for. I mean, 99 % of species ever existed in our gum. Fossils are very difficult to happen because it has to happen in a mudslide, somehow the body has to be preserved and it's mineralized. Right, I don't know how many dinosaur complete fossils we have, like a T -Rex. I don't even think we have a complete one yet.

1:50:43But one or two billion T -Rexes lived and died on the planet. We have a couple of skeletons. Right, it's billions. Yeah, and it just makes you wonder when they're finding things like this in 2024, how many are yet to be discovered? I mean, how much of the ground's surface has really been excavated to a very high level? Right. Yeah. Very little and it's very difficult to even dig there. I mean, what's happening in Turkey is a shame with Gobekli Teppi, you know, just paving over it and planting orchards on top of it. They've taken down the orchards. They did? Yeah, the olive trees, the problem with that was that, and this is Jimmy Corsetti had talked about this long ago that the issue with them doing this is the roots are going to destroy the artifacts below.

1:51:32And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, it won't. And then it turns out, actually it is. So they had a poem. And so they pulled the olive trees. But they planted them purposely over the area, which is like... I'm glad Corset is out there. I like him and I know him pretty well. That's great. The Turkish government, I think, has banned him. And he's trying to get him in trouble here. He's trying to get him sanctioned. Sanction? How do you sanction the guy on YouTube? For what? Look, when CNN was going after you and they were trying to get Spotify to cancel you, creators like me who go against mainstream were very nervous because if YouTube just pulled my show, I'm kind of fucked.

1:52:15So it's like if they could take down Joe, we're done. But Spotify was a lot of respect hung fast. Yeah, we've talked about that like if I wasn't on Spotify and I was only on YouTube at the time I might have been fucked because they were taking people down for Actual real truthful information Yes, that was in their eyes mal information that would cause vaccine hesitancy Still no apologies. No, but you know, it was a risky time, you know to be Non politically correct before it was safe to Yeah, it was a very dangerous time and weird because it's like instantly dangerous Like it wasn't like that before then all of a sudden like anything you could say you could get your career ruined Yep, you know and you're and again everybody turned out to be right Everybody was right that mass don't work everybody was right that the vaccine didn't stop the infection didn't stop Wasn't a vaccine it wasn't a vaccine.

1:53:09It has a bunch of side effects the the pangolin is nonsense I mean we knew that all of this it was just intuitive. Mm -hmm The lab leak theory was racist. That was racist. Oh my goodness, the R word did get you to say it. They tried anything. They tried anything they could to silence any opposition. You were gonna say something, do you mind? You're gonna say you had a question, I think. I forgot, we steamed over it. But we were talking about the weirdness of that time of how dangerous it was. Like, it was real touch and go. It was real weird. There was a lot of forces that were trying to get me removed because I was talking to people that they were deemed quacks, one of them which is Robert Malone who has nine patents on the creation of mRNA vaccine technology.

1:53:53These are rock solid credentials these people had. They weren't cooks like Jay Badacharia. All these people are Stanford, MIT, Harvard. All the people from the Great Barrington Declaration. There's a little legitimate researchers and scientists that didn't agree with the narrative and they were getting the removed from Twitter. And they had awards through their careers highly revered and respected and then suddenly no it didn't matter because these people Unfortunately had a conscience and they were saying well, this is not what I know I am an actual expert and I do not think that the information they're giving out is correct So I'm gonna speak my mind and they just They were just and then there's also a concerted effort by Fauci like and his group to go after these people I just attacked these people publicly.

1:54:42Yes, and when it was very early on, I forget even what paper I had, I really snopped that in some paper, criticizing a lot of this and lockdowns, you know, like my dojo was closed down and was trying to fight with masks on. So I was angry. And then within weeks of that, it suddenly became politicized and I was like, now I'm fucked. And now it's a political issue. How is it that this a political issue? Right. But it was, it was politicized. And I don't know why. I don't know why I don't know why it was all shut down. I think it's all just money. I think the vaccine companies wanted to make as much money as possible and then anything that contributed to vaccine hesitancy was not for the greater good of public health.

1:55:23It was because the more vaccine hesitancy, the less profit they would have. I think it's real simple. Yeah. I agree, but that's really gross. It is gross, but it's also gross that they would prescribe it for children because it was totally unnecessary. So the only reason why they would prescribe it for children or mandate it for children to get into schools Because they wanted to make as much money as possible and they made an insane amount of money So it did work. It was effective But boy, you destroy a lot of credibility. It certainly did and it definitely worked Where my wife was working They it was a mandatory vaccine situation, but it She was working remotely, so didn't really have to get it But I can see that the narrative was starting to catch with her and I'm like honey hold fast This is a story.

1:56:07It's a visual left -wing company, and they're just following the narrative. They don't just hold fast, and don't get that shot. And she didn't. Yeah, luckily. I know people that did. I know people that have real fucking problems right now. Same. Yeah. Like, they got long COVID, suddenly. Yeah, and it's weird that long COVID is something that mostly affects people that have gotten vaccinated. But they want to call it long COVID. They don't want to call it vaccine injury. Nope. The whole thing is very creepy because it just shows you if something is very clear and obvious and it's a real disease and we know the origin of it now and we know that all this stuff has been done to obscure it.

1:56:48How many other elements of society, how many other stories that are in the news have also been distorted and twisted around in order to promote a very specific narrative and how effective have they been at doing this? It's not like this is the only time they've ever done this. So COVID was kind of a window into disinformation and about how the government can use these ploys, manipulation and using these tactics of humiliation, humiliating these established scientists, ruining their careers, attacking their credentials. And what other things have they used these on? What other geopolitical aspirations have they masked in all this bullshit?

1:57:32Like the whole thing is just like it's very disconcerting to find out that the people that have been running the country are super comfortable with lying. Here's the good news is the irony of COVID is the forces that were forcing us to be locked down and stay home gave rise to independent creators and journalists and independent thinkers and folks like you. And because of their forcing the lockdowns, they destroyed their own industry. Yeah. And there's no going back. I mean, I haven't watched MSNBC or Fox News in years. And you turn it on. It's like, oh, this is just, I hear the same stuff from the left and the right.

1:58:12I just hear the same stuff. I get my news from YouTube from all different sources. And that's what I want. And they destroyed their own industry. Yeah, and it's interesting to see like what is it going to look like, you know, five, ten years from now? Because five, ten years ago, you'd never, ten years ago, you never would have imagined the CNN would lose all its credibility. No, that way we watched, you know, as it storm on there. Everything. Oh, it's when you wanted to get the news. And it was always also, CNN was thought of being as this like sort of non -partisan environment for the news. It just showed you what the news was.

1:58:44And then somewhere along the line, it became very editorialized, very opinion -based and very, you know, these people telling you to do your own research, do not do your own research. Like, imagine saying don't read. Right. Don't read. You're not smart enough, AJ. Right. You think you can go read. Right. In the absorb information. You're not smart enough to absorb information. Leave that to the experts. Don't listen to Rogan. He takes horse pills. God, that from his doctorium. What's also calling it, horse, dewormer was so stupid. Because everybody knows it's used on humans. Oh, Ivermectin's in my cabinet.

1:59:21But it's just a simple Google search would tell you that something's wrong. That's required medication for foreign service. Yeah, so it's one of those things where you wonder after something like that has been happened. Well, this seems like a playbook they're really comfortable with using. How many other things have they used this on? Like what other aspects of society are just complete horseshit? When did it really start? Right. You know, you know probably during the 40s Maybe even before because if you read wars a racket by Smetley Butler, that was 33 General Butler. Yeah, the business plot general.

1:59:55Yeah Yeah, he was a very very honest guy. Yeah, yeah, if you guys don't know the business plots worth looking into That was they tried to recruit him to overthrow the government Because he had all the troops at his disposal. Yeah, that was wild. They were gonna have a coup I think we're gonna have a good state. And nobody has answered for that. That's the JP Morgan's and that whole set. So this kind of thinking has been going on forever. And then this also kind of gatekeeping of information, like hiding the truth from people in order to preserve narratives, in order to preserve power and authority.

2:00:31Well, let's connect, let's go back to Butler for a quick second. You've got Tesla who gets funded by JP Morgan going to create wireless technology, but Tesla gets a little ambitious and says, I'm gonna do wireless communication, but I'm gonna take you $150 ,000, I'm gonna do wireless energy, and we'll do free energy around the world. And Morgan's like, how do you put a meter on that? Tesla's like, what do you mean? This propell mankind forward. Morgan pulls his funding, tells everyone in the investment class, this guy's a cook, and if you invest with him, you don't do business with me. A few years later, Wardencliffe Tower gets torn down, Tesla dies in poverty.

2:01:06Yeah. And where are those 20 boxes? Yeah. And why was the government so quick to respond to that crime scene? Yeah, they showed up with that guy's house quick. They gathered up all that information. I wonder what they got from that. Uncle, Uncle John Trump there, wasn't the charge of that. Yeah, right. What did they get in those boxes? Donald Trump's uncle reviewed Tesla's death ray, secrets and found mysterious royal letters. I think they... Well, he looks like a Trump, doesn't he? He kind of does. That's a Trump, if he didn't do the co -over. Wasn't he working at a right Patterson as well was he?

2:01:38For this Right Patterson is a weird place Like they think that that's where one of them is yes Yeah, you know the the Nixon story with Jackie Gleason I know the Gleason was into UFOs tell the story the story is Gleason got into UFOs because him and Nixon were drinking one day and Nixon was like I was drinking with that. And then he takes him, flies him out to wherever the base is and shows him a crashed UFO and these bodies that they have in freezers. And it was right Patterson? I do not know. I do not know. I don't know if Jackie Gleason ever said. The story came from Gleason's wife and it was an article in some sort of a magazine.

2:02:22But then there's the house that Gleason built in upstate New York that looked like a UFO. like Gleason built a home. Yeah, that was like like a disc. I'm gonna look into this. It's such a good story. I wonder where they went. Florida would have been a homestead Air Force base. It might be in Florida. In 73. I think that's where they were when that. When they were playing golf and bombed. And bombed was reportedly showing in bomb bodies of four alien beings. Tom, Tom, Tom. So Nixon exposes UFOs to a civilian and then it does not go well for Richard Nixon after that. Well, I think what went badly for Richard Nixon was that Richard Nixon was inquiring as to who killed JFK And he said he thought he knew and he was kind of talking about it publicly and they're like, okay Yep, and they had already you know brought in Gerald Ford kicked out Spiro Agno They got rid of him Gerald Ford who was also in the Warren Commission report.

2:03:15That's right They and then all of a sudden Nixon and Watergate happens Nixon the most popular president of all time And it turns out that Bob Woodward was actually an intelligence agent and this is his first project ever Operation mockingbird and then the people that were involved in the break -in all FBI You go or she Gordon -Liddy. Yeah, the whole thing is a coup. Hall was a coup. All was a set up and we're all Parading, you know Nixon was a crook. That guy was a crook. He was this was that like they did a great job The siop was wonderful. I'm a patty. Yeah, they say it over and over. Mm -hmm.

2:03:49Yeah, it's all really, really interesting stuff. But it's just, you know, what it boils down to with stuff like your show, like how much of it is, how much is real, you know, and when you have these mysteries, one of the amazing things about mysteries is you're never going to run out of topics. No. There's so many of these things. And as long as there's a US government, I'm good. Some of the CIA exists. They're always going to be hiding something. But the fun One ones are always the alien ones. That's the most fun ones. The alien ones, the ancient civilization ones. Like what do you think when you go over the Bob Lazar story?

2:04:31Like what do you, how much of you think, how much of you cries bullshit? How much of you's like, hmm, a more on the hum side. I think he's the most credible whistleblower because he didn't profit from that. And they prosecuted him for running a prostitution ring. You know, maybe he was. I think he was. He pledged down to pandering, but they also rated him during the Jeremy Corbyl documentary while they're filming the documentary, the FBI rated his facility. And they said they were looking for something. And supposedly he has a version or a sample of stable element 115. What? That's supposedly.

2:05:15Yeah. And that's supposedly what they were looking for. Of course. Puzzle he had gotten that from the lab and when he was at S4 and that he had managed to smuggle out a stable chunk of this element 115 and there was a video that George NAP had from back in the 80s where Lazar was demonstrating how this stuff bends light and you know what it does like it has weird effects. How soon after that raid was 115 is now called muskovian. How soon after that raid was 115 synthesized? I think was since the size of Russia. Well, synthesized by a particle collider. And so the the when they got it is a very temporary quickly dissolving form, but they proved its existence.

2:06:00And supposedly what Lazar is saying wherever these beings are from, they obviously have a completely different environment and they have a stable version of this this element. Yep. And this element is crucial to this gravity propulsion system. It's a part of this reactor. It gets bombarded with radiation, produces this gravity field, allows you to just sling shot through the universe. I don't know are they working to stabilize it? You know, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, man. Why would they raid Bob Lazar? That's that's that's that spectrum of believability again. Here's a guy who's being attacked and tormented in the middle of filming the documentary.

2:06:41I mean, I just had my fight first I saw it I don't know how you're doing. Oh, what'd you do? I didn't do anything. I don't work and we eat anymore What do you think they were auditing for you for what what what when you go over all your episodes? I'm sure it's just to go incidents What do you think? What do you think are the most problematic? Most problematic for me are probably this the um The CIA ones, the one I did that ended with the ancient orange kind of expose was a kind of a dangerous one It was the dark history of DARPA and all the bad stuff that DARPA's done since since it's founding It's done some horrible horrible horrible stuff and that was an episode I was afraid to release there's been a couple of those We know MK ultra is kind of afraid to really because I name names a scary one was How Lyme disease might have been a lab leak?

2:07:33Yeah, that's a weird one. That's an bobby Kennedy fully believes that. That was Eric Trial was like the chief Nazi bio warfare specialist that was brought here of an operation paperclip. And we do know that there have been some studies done where they were trying to devise diseases that they could aerial spray, whether it's through bugs or something, onto a population overwhelmed their medical system. So they'd be easier to defeat. That's documented. Yeah, the entire enemy super weak everybody's weak over there and then also documented is Some takes got out Dented some takes got out so it's you know when you look at lime Connecticut as ground zero And it just spreads from there and there was no lime disease before that's a scary one to release Yeah, but whenever I get into operation paperclip.

2:08:26I always hammer home. These are Nazis You know, Werner von Braun is not a hero. He's a hero, but he's not a hero. You know, a lot of these guys, these are all evil dudes. And most of the Operation Paper Club was just bringing over intelligence assets. They don't like talking about that. It's a 1200 scientists that we learn about. It's not the 6000 intelligence agents that just lived here until the 70s and 80s. Right. Oh, they're fucking dueling scars on their faces. Mm -hmm. It's scary looking dudes, like right at Indiana Jones. Right SS on the shoulder and that's what was a part of NASA that was running NASA right Warner von Braun was an Actual Nazi and he was the head of NASA.

2:09:07He and SS and Nazi said the V1 rocket program Kill 3 ,000 people in London but killed 30 ,000 Jewish slaves building the rocket You know wait ten times more people died building the thing and if you didn't work hard enough in the rocket factory They would just hang you for the rafters, but if I'm brown said he didn't know anything about it and all this team said we I we didn't know anything about it Okay, well every time I bring up Someone who's from there. I just remind everybody these are Nazis these are liars. These are bad dudes That doesn't mean you know, they're not they didn't do amazing things for America because you could do both Yeah, that's what's weird, you know the V1 rocket eventually becomes Saturn 5 which takes us to the moon allegedly Yeah, that's my favorite one.

2:09:56Same. Did you ever see the episode I do with Bart Sabrell? Yes, and I talked to Bart from time to time. He's all in. All in. For decades. Eventually, I'm going to do a conversation podcast, and he'll be one of the first guys I have on. I had dinner with Bart Sabrell in like the year 2000, 2003 or something like that. I had dinner with him in Los Angeles. I had seen a funny thing happen on the way to the moon. What year was that? Great documentary. What year was the funny thing happen on the way to the moon? So it was like shortly thereafter. Somehow, I do not even remember how I got connected with him.

2:10:36But we had dinner in Los Angeles at this Italian restaurant. I sat down with him. 2001. 2001. Yeah, so it was probably around 2003 that Bart and I had dinner. and then you know, 22 years later I had them on the podcast. I need to look at that. Oh yeah, yeah, he still emails me and I'm like, Bart, I'll have you on, I'm just, I'm still building the studio. He's so all in on this and the more you talk to him, the more you go, God damn it, he might be right. He might be, I debunk a lot of his claims, which not all of them, you know, like the parallel shadows and how there shouldn't, shadow on the moon should be completely black, but that's not really true and shadows.

2:11:15Well, things are reflective in the surface and reflective. That's part of the issue. But the parallel shadows are fucking weird. Like you could find a reason why these intersecting shadows could exist, but it also could be more than one source of light. Sure. There's a lot of weirdness to it. And shadows are not parallel. They don't work that way. Shadows disappear to the horizon. Right. You know, there are no parallel sheds. Right, but going in completely different directions is very odd. It is odd. It's very odd. That's not nearly as odd as, I mean, there's so many different things. You know, there's so many things like how goofy it looks when that craft lifts off from the moon and takes off at his pace.

2:12:02And it's wobbling around like it's on a fucking string. It makes like it's on a string and you know, the camera tracks it nicely. They're three pans, but it's from where? From Houston? From Houston. What, seven second delay or whatever? How about the fact that Nixon is on the phone with them? In real time? In real time. Like, you don't got a delay. It would be with 1969 technology, communicating. One of the reasons why Gus Grisham, you know, this is the big theory is that Grisham was murdered because he wasn't willing to go along with it. Gus Grisham hung a lemon on the lunar module because he wasn't wasn't able to communicate with the tower from Earth.

2:12:44The communication system wasn't working and he's like this is a fucking lemon and he puts a lemon on a coat hanger and hangs it on the thing. And then let's go back and look at the original films and we'll learn something. Oh, they don't have them anymore. Gone. They're gone. They don't know. The telemetry data, that's really important. Gone. Oh, the episode I did on the on the moon, which is a fun one. I even have a NASA Scientists saying we don't know how to redo the technology. We just lost it. Yeah didn't write anything down or nothing And then there's the reality of the Van Allen radiation belts.

2:13:18That's true. That could be explained scientifically. Can it? The radiation is high particles high voltage all that but they're spread wide apart you just got to go really fast through them. Right, but it took hours to get through it. It did, but they still were moving fast. Or we kill everybody. Or we kill everybody. This is why nobody's here. And that's why nobody but the Apollo astronauts ever got through that. What I always say is like they never even flew a chicken through that shit and had it come back alive. No. And they're just gonna try it out with people. Like the dog did not survive when they threw like up there.

2:13:51Well how about Operation Starfish Prime? Were they shot a nuke into there to try to blow a hole through it and it wound up making it more radioactive. Of course. They thought they were gonna blow a hole. Right. In the Van Allen radiation, because they could just pop through that hole. Right. And now thanks to that, we've got the South Atlantic anomaly, where there's just no protection anymore. We appreciate all that. They praise. Without the power in Hawaii. Right. Yeah, they fucked up the grid. They were detonating nukes in space. You're really crazy. People in the 1950s and 60s were buck wild.

2:14:24They were. They were just, they had so much power There was no internet. There was no oversight and they were doing things so like we're completely new like nuclear bombs And they're like let's see if it does this even Oppenheimer. They didn't know it was gonna happen they had a More than 0 % possibility that it was gonna cause a chain reaction that would destroy the entire environment of the earth. Yes, and they were like Let's see well Got us try only one way to know Mm -hmm. Right. And something like bikini atoll, which I think was Castle Bravo, was like three times more powerful than they thought.

2:15:02You know, we're going for 10 kilotons, but we got 30. Dude, you gotta carry the, what, be careful. Be careful. Just be careful. I don't even know why we mess with it. Yeah, it's well, it's too late. Too late. The genie's out of the bottle. So if you had a bet, if you had $100 ,000, and you can get a bat. We went to the moon, we didn't go to the moon. Well, that money's not enough, but gone to the head. Gone to the head. Gone to the head. We went to the moon without people. Well, that's what I would go with. But let me preface by saying, my head, I'm like a bobble head. I go back and forth and I can be convinced one way or the other is a very complicated issue.

2:15:47Like I can be convinced both ways. Just also the weird footage that looks like they're on wires where they're pulled up when they fall down you could see the reflections Yeah, yeah, I get into weird. It's it's a good episode. I get into all of that a cover cover bar Buzz Alder knows how to throw a shot Hit into it But it's also the thing is like every other Technology from 1969 is cheaper easier and faster to reproduce today except the moon landing right that No one has ever done it again. No one has ever even been a, not human beings have ever even been a deep space. I, you know, there's no, I don't know why.

2:16:28You know, if we could 3D print anything, why don't we send the 3D printer up into orbit? And then every time Elon launches a Starlink, just bring some substrate, bring some wire, and just deliver it there. Every time, because you're going to do 10 ,000 of them, just bring some wire, bring some wire, bring some aluminum, them and we can just build this stuff in orbit. We don't have to worry about escaping gravity. Just build stuff up 3D print stuff in orbit. It sounds a little more complicated than you're making it out to be but I see what you're saying. You know the film footage, the lost footage, the Subrall had is also very compelling where it looks like they're filming the moon from you know 30 ,000 miles out but then when they pull the covers off the windows chose you they're actually near earth orbit it fills up the whole window and they even say in that film we've got the camera right up against the window right no one can get in between it but then someone walks in walks by and then you see what looks like a like a piece of plastic a yeah and then everything opens up uh -huh that's a hard one to explain it is and not for public display not for right yeah exactly right it's and also the So why would you ever delete all of the original film?

2:17:44What, why would you destroy the original film? Why would they lose the telemetry data? And we don't even have a direct feed because they broadcast the feed on a wall and then pointed a TV camera at the wall. Yeah. And that's what we see. Yeah, that's why it looks so shitty on television in 1969. Because the network's really, hey, can we get the live feed? And as I was like, ah, you don't need that. It's so weird. It's weird. It's a weird one. And it's also just weird that we keep saying we're gonna go back and we still never even get out of Earth's gravity or never even got our Earth's atmosphere Earth's orbit, brother.

2:18:18As soon as the Chinese start mining like helium to or whatever, we'll get there. People always say, oh, well, there's photographs of the lunar land or on the moon. You can see it like How do they get that buggy up there? How do they piece that buggy together? Yeah, it's a little tiny ass fucking lunar module. Because you can't see the tracks up there. If you believe this stuff. What was that mean? How easy is there's video of me selling Kentucky Fried Chicken. Oh, I gotta look that up. You know what I'm saying? I gotta write that down. Might not even be Kentucky Fried Chicken, but it's like there's AI video of me hawking all kinds of stuff that I've never even seen.

2:18:54You show up at my feed. Oh my God, he's selling chicken. It's all fake. But that is easy to fake, because it's blurry, blurry nonsense photos. In my episode on the Face on Mars, I show exactly how NASA copy and pasted cloud formations. You literally see it's the same cloud formations, and then you see the Mars photos. They copied and pasted chunks on Mars. They did that. Like I didn't make that up. I just... What do you mean by that? They copied and pasted chunks on Mars. You've got this Martian rock face, right? Scydonia. Scydonia is where the face was, and the alleged city, and all that square.

2:19:31And the square is crazy. The square, but that's a recent one that we've been seeing. Yep, that one's nuts. So I do know it was one of the original landing places and they changed it in the last minute. Why? I will land there and go to the face, let's see, because if you don't know the story about the face on Mars, the first image is it does look like a face and then suddenly the image has got blurrier and then it was just kind of a plateau. It was, you know, parodolia, it wasn't really a face. Right. Well then land there, drive, drive, you know, So Jonah over there, whatever. Let's have a look.

2:20:04What's crazy is that the face is right down the street from the square. Yes. The square, to me, is way more compelling than the face. Because if the second image is more clear and it really is just, how do you say that word again? Paradolia. Paradolia, that's really what it is. That kind of makes sense. Because the first one's like real blurry and shitty and it's from the 70s. True. But this square is nuts. Right. It looks geometrical. Yeah. Right angles. and us an actual square or at least similar to a square it looks like a structure made out of right angles and it's on the fucking moon I showed it to Elon Musk and like oh very interesting we should probably go up there look around we should I mean they're finally admitting that Mars used to have an air an atmosphere and and oceans giant oceans they're finally making it frozen water on Mars yeah which is like okay yep well if we go back millions and millions of years.

2:20:56Like what what did it look like? What was going on there? Remember they sent Joe McMonigal to remote view back on Mars. Oh, what did he say? He said he saw giant tall beings there in a very advanced society and uh, Joe McMonigal was part of the project stargate remote viewer. So that he goes into his thing and he's drawing the aliens and the the cities and all that. But he didn't know where he was looking. They you know, they wouldn't tell you at first. And then he's done. He comes out of his transfer, whatever opens the envelope and it says Mars with coordinates 1 million BC or something. He said he saw stuff.

2:21:31And Stargate, again, Ingo Swan saw all kinds of stuff on the far side of the moon, which I don't see. I don't hear coverage a lot with Ingo, but he remote viewed the moon because he always wanted to do more stuff. He's like, I don't want to look at a bridge. I'm going to go to the moon. And he said he saw structures on the far side of the moon that sound a lot like Carl Wolf disclosed in 2001. Carl Wolf, what did he disclose? Carl Wolf, Air Force Airman, he's basically a technician. Think of a Xerox repairman. He has to fix some imaging equipment for NASA's last DOD. It's images from the Moon survey are.

2:22:10So it goes in, it's a dark room, the guys work in there. And guys like, Carl, look at this. It's pictures of the dark side of the Moon. He sees domes, towers, roads, all kinds of stuff. I can't believe it. And Carl goes home and he told his wife, I can't wait to see this on the news. This is crazy what we found on the moon. And it just goes away. And Carl Wolf said he saw that. If you remote viewing. No, photographs. He saw photographs. He saw photographs of it. He saw photographs. Who took the photographs? It was the moon surveyor satellite that takes pictures all the time. It's like we we have images we have stuff around the moon.

2:22:51I don't know why there's no webcam You know, I don't know why we can't just tap into the end of something. They're right. They're there Just send a signal back. I I read that they just got like 5G working in space send us send us a signal put a webcam on the ISS let us tune in So car wolf saw that stuff In Goswan saw the same things, but he saw actual beings there and he said they were able to sense his consciousness and he like snapped out of it. He said aliens are on the far side of the moon and they are not our friends. So very interesting story. In Goswan, very interesting cat. So what took these photographs?

2:23:32The moon surveyor, lunar surveyor satellite. None of that stuff has ever been released? Oh, they released a lot of images from the far side, but they released what they release. That's why we know there's fewer impacts on the far side, because we've seen those images. But there's no images of these domes or what? No, no. I've seen some that maybe are faked, that look pretty compelling. I forget what episode I just showed them in, but when I found them, I was mind blowing. And I can't find them again for some reason. I wanted them for another episode, and I can't find the photos, which is always suspicious just me, it's like suddenly the thing is blurry off of Malibu.

2:24:13You just can't find the stuff. But so, you know, my gut tells me something's going on up there. Someone's aware of it. I'm dying to know what it is. It would be unbelievable if Mars was the first planet that had life before Earth was capable of supporting life. It reached a very high level of sophistication and then start seeding Earth. Right, Pennsylvania theory. Yeah. I believe we have at least one rock from Mars that just landed here. I think we have one of those. So from maybe a giant impact or something, through some of Mars over here. Don't, don't, don't. But the idea I think is that their atmosphere was deteriorating or that they were getting further and further from the Sun.

2:24:58The magnetic field was weakening, strips away the atmosphere. And so this would be the thing. if you were a super advanced civilization, the race would be, get so advanced that you could leave your planet. Yes. And that's the only way you're going to survive, because eventually your planet is going to move over millions of years further and further away from the Sun, not able to inhabit life anymore. Right, so maybe send your DNA or whatever to the third rock. Or Anunnaki. Or Anunnaki. That's a good one. Yeah, they show up every time. That's the ultimate one. And it's the big one, and the Anonaki's the big one.

2:25:37Yeah, that's a good one. That's one that makes you go home. Because it shows up everywhere. It shows up in the Bible, it shows up in the Mahabharata, it shows up in ancient Chinese literature, it shows up everywhere, not always called the Anonaki, but the Anonaki, and then they have their survival species that could be the Nephilim, could be the giants, and then they take these primitive humans, give them just enough intelligence to mine, to mine the gold as part of the lore. Yeah. It's a good one. Ooh, it's the best one. It's the best one because when you do look at ancient Sumer and you look at their detailed map of the solar system, you're like, what the fuck is that?

2:26:21Like, how did they figure that out? Right. Like, you're talking about 6 ,000 years ago, they had depictions of the planets on the proper air. but like the bigger ones were in the place where the bigger ones would be the smaller ones and the place where small ones would be was Representative and the Sun looks like a Sun like it's got the rays around right showing that this is the center of the solar system Right, and this is To what how many thousands years before? Copernicus right. Yeah, didn't even know Something I don't think it doesn't get enough attention is when these ancient cultures are obsessed with equinoxes A lot of people think equinoxes of one day and night are the same, but that's not what that is.

2:27:02That's, when day and night are the same, it's called equal ox, and it's different for everybody on earth, depending on where you are. And equinoxes, when the sun is over the center of the earth's equator, how did you know there was an equator?

2:27:17So stone hinges align to the equinoxes. How did you know there was an equator? here. And how, you know, how was the pyramid, the sizes are directly divisible to a number like 43200 that could be factored in to calculate the circumference of the earth. So you can calculate the equinox. How did they do that? Right. And how is it pointed to true North -South East and West? How did they do that? Why does it mirror the stars of the Orion belt? But mirrors them 30 ,000 years ago because of procession So I'm in the camp that the Egyptians found the pyramids not built them, but I'm glad Zah he's not here Well that would you know get you to the ancient civilization theory But when you're looking at an ancient civilization that is as complex as Egypt and then you factor in the or an ockie story and all these other things, you gotta think like, why were the Egyptians so advanced?

2:28:14Like where did they learn this from? Christopher Dunn has the answer. You know, the power plant? Power plant. Yeah, is that what you think? You know, it's one of my favorite episodes because I, you know, you can either watch my stupid thing with the fish or the better thing is to just buy Chris's books and read the science. Oh, don't be a sheep. But he's a sheep. Don't be a sheep. the next one's gonna have taxes are for people don't know if you haven't watched the show hecklefish talk shit from the aquarium during the adventure it's really funny little it makes the show fun because it's like shows you're not totally taking it seriously you have a talking fish you talk shit to you the entire time what I'm trying to do is take weird topics complex topics break them down make them accessible to everybody have a good time get you thinking on your own if I get things wrong that's okay as long as you go out and just get interested in stuff.

2:29:09That's what I'm trying to do. Have fun and get you interested. Have you been looking at all under the structures underneath the pyramid? Yes, I'm skeptical of that research. Because if you look at the imaging, I don't see the coils or any of that stuff. I don't see it. They also said they found the tomb of Nefertiti. No, the tomb of Osiris. But it just looked like splotches on radar. And they also, they haven't released any of that information to the scientific community, nothing's peer reviewed. But when it first hit the news, I was like, that supports the power plant theory, the coils and all that.

2:29:44But I have a feeling that their research will be debunked, hope I'm wrong. Really? Well, they released more of it. And because they released more of it, and the conversations that Graham Hancock and Brian Merer -Resco had with them, well, they were initially skeptical as well. They've come around more to thinking that these guys might be on to something. Because they've done this multiple times now with multiple scans, they keep getting the same results. And it does kind of look like coils. When you look at the images, first of all, the pillars, the fact these pillars are uniform and then the fact that the structure goes down two kilometers into the earth, like maybe people 4 ,500 years ago were so motivated.

2:30:26Zawi said that it's like, this is the project of the entire country, the pride of the country maybe, maybe, but two kilometers down. But we're starting to get real crazy. I mean, if you look at the, like the temp, kufu pyramids, like perfect. And then you look at the pyramids that were built later, that we know were Egyptian built. And it's like the T -mo version. It's like, you're not even, it's like a mess. It's just a pile of rocks. Where the great pyramid is precise. And there's no reasons for these different chambers. And the chemical residue, why? And why are there copper rods going down into the aquifer, which is exactly the technology testicle is using a warning cliff tower, the same exact technology?

2:31:10Why? There's hydrochloric acid. We have evidence of that. And we've got the zinc sulfide, and it creates hydrogen atoms that go up the gallery. And then there's an opening that's exactly the right wavelength for hydrogen to flow through. And it resonates at 440 hertz, and it makes an F -sharp cord. and you've got the, it's tuned inside the King's Chamber to exactly that chord. Or, you know, maybe it's just a place for a dead guy. You know, why use Rose Quartz, which is so highly, you know, Rose Granite is so dense with quartz, it's very rare, but it creates a lot of piezoelectricity when you fly pressure to it, and Hyde's June could do that if you pumped it through the King's Chamber.

2:31:51It's so fascinating to me that the gatekeepers are so, they're so reluctant to even consider any possibility that it might have been something other than what they've initially asserted. It's frustrating, but it ruins their career and the reputation gets like everything you said was wrong. Over time, I have a buddy who just went to Egypt and he hired these two archaeologists to take him on a tour and both of them were saying there is no way the original, the actual mainstream dream stories accurate like there's no way like this stuff is beyond and then as he was like going through it with him he said he was just fucking blown away he said I haven't been but he said you can look at it all day on television and on your laptop when you go there you just like what the fuck I'd love to see it yeah we should go together let's do it let's go let's go Zahee wants me to go with him but I just don't think I could I think after an hour I'd be like dude I gotta get away from you yeah I'll ruin everything I that's covered this.

2:32:52This is my discovery. Yeah, it just didn't even mention the limestone from tour. Didn't even touch on it. What's the significance of that? It's a great insulator of electricity. It's also mine from very far away. We know it was definitely their Herodotus talked about the limestone pyramids that could be seen from the mountains of Arabia. So Herodotus, they were still there. We know that the limestone facing was there because a lot of it was looted after a couple of earthquakes They built bridges out of it. You can go touch it. It's there But it didn't talk about it But if the pyramid power plant theory is true then you use limestone as an insulator Inside you've got the granite which creates this piezoelectricity and then you've got this other limestone in between That kind of keeps everything modulated.

2:33:40So if it was a power plant, like what was it powering and how was it doing that? That's the big problem I have is you know so with Tesla wanted to project this energy into the ionosphere and then we can everyone could tap into it with some type of receiver like a radio but there's no evidence I can find of them powering anything so we can make the the argument that maybe if the capstone were gold this energy could resonate through the center of the pyramid come up through the golden capstone and then go straight into the ionosphere. And we know that the pyramid will resonate at certain frequencies and amplify it.

2:34:15That's been tested at about 200 meters is the ideal wavelength. But the only other theory is the obelisks at some point where these receivers, but there's no evidence that they powered anything. But maybe they used the energy for something different. I don't know. And if we're looking at the wrong timeline, if we're not really looking at 2 ,500 BC, if we're looking at 30 ,000 BC or something even before that, which is also a weird thing that Zahid dismissed. He dismissed this idea of the king's list that goes back 30 ,000 years. Right. Yeah. And he says that just, just, just, we know exactly. Also, he said, didn't believe in carbon dating, which is like, yeah, that's convenient.

2:34:58That's convenient. Yeah. Did not believe in carbon dating. And what about rocketing? That, you know, that is, is a thing with certain types of rock. Lime's known not so much, but something like Agnius Rock, you can get a pretty good idea. Yeah, the whole thing is very weird. It's so weird because it's so vast and so spectacular that no matter what you think, no matter what theories you have, you still have to look in your hell of a fuck. Like it's so nutty that you can't even imagine people making it. Not people as like we consider people today. Like if a civilization today if we let's say for some reason No one had ever visited a part of the earth and then they went to a part of the earth and they saw people with these structures today We were like what happened?

2:35:49How did you do this? We would think they were wizards wizards right above and be two million three hundred thousand stones Mm -hmm hundreds of miles through the mountains you carried the big ones for the inside the Kings Chamber you put them up 130 feet up in the air. With a ramp. Yeah. I don't think so. But it's all just if they did, where did that technology go? Where did that construction knowledge go? Like where did their engineering go? Like how were people that advanced that long ago? You know, I like the acoustic levitation theory is an interesting one where they use sound vibration to lift heavy objects.

2:36:27You know, we see that occurring throughout history as part of the law, but even in the 1930s, a British, maybe he was an archaeologist, naturalist, went to see Buddhist monks and using instruments, he watched them levitate heavy objects. And there's film of it, this is all the legend. And when he went back to the UK, they seized the film. But they were using instruments and chanting to levitate these rocks up a cliff face to build whatever they were building. Well, how about that wacky dude in Florida that made the coral castle? Oh, yeah, that's Edward Lee Scanlon I Found it's hard to find but I found him using Levers and pullies and stuff to do it.

2:37:07It's still amazing what he did. Yeah, by himself by himself He's like five foot one 90 pounds and I think that door is tons and you can push it with your finger that door in the coral castle is amazing And supposedly did it for his girlfriend. I didn't read his beloved. Yeah Yeah, he did it to impress a lady. You went too far, man. You don't have to do that. You just buy a nice car. Don't do the, she doesn't care. Anybody can buy a nice car. I'm gonna rock this jerk your world. Literally gonna rock her world. She's gonna see my curl cast on her. This motherfucker's the one. She bailed. She, you bail if it do builds you a castle.

2:37:48You're like, uh, look at the time. Mm -hmm. Gotta go. Mm -hmm. Yeah. When you do these shows and you know you've amassed like this channel now with all these like fast name things, which ones to you are the most exciting to create? The most exciting. Like one of the ones you get really jazzed about. The ones that kind of shatter my belief system, like the hollow moon or the crop circles. The idea of the moon being hollow is because they shot something into the mood and it rang like a bell. Right. A few things. One was they deliberately crashed their rocket into the moon. And their seismology, seismographs were placed in the moon to check what would happen.

2:38:38And it did reverberate. But mainstream science says it reverberates because it's extremely dry. And that's why sound waves travel like that. That's what they say. But other sciences have said it seems to be, if it's not hollow, there are hollow cavities within the moon. And why do they think that? Just the way that the sound travels, and just how they're parts of the moon where the surface dirt is, let me get this right, where the surface dirt is older than the dirt underneath. The soil on top is older. And the only way you can do that is through excavation. Moonquakes. Yeah. You know, and the moon had volcanoes on it at some point.

2:39:21Passive seismic experiment seismometers were placed during the Apollo 12 mission, remained active until 1977, recording both natural and human -made moonquake alike, human -made moonquake. Also, why are they doing that? Why are you trying to make moonquakes? In fact, moonquakes happen fairly regularly. A space debris like asteroids hit the moon more frequently than Earth because the moon's atmosphere is much less dense. Right above it it described that Apollo 12 mission was the first human made moonquake they detonated or they crashed those module back on the surface. One ton of TNT. Good idea.

2:39:58First human made moonquake to take place the PSE size monitors, oh sizeometers, size, size monitors. Record the resulting vibrations which were much bigger and lasted much longer than the scientists had anticipated. They were far different from the earthquake vibrations we're familiar with. And that X paragraph said it's because the moon is 60 % as dense. It doesn't mean it's hollow, but it's just different. Right, right. So if the collision theory's true, which is the mainstream theory, then the moon was made mostly out of Earth's mantle, which will be less dense is what? It just kind of clipped us.

2:40:34Yeah. But the moon is weird. Yeah. So the hollamune one freaks you out crop circles crop circles though, you know, those are the fun ones I Do the conspire the conspire the government conspiracy ones are interesting to me But a lot of times they make me angry So it's it's not really fun, but I think it's important the CIA stuff and okay ultra an agent orange That stuff really makes me angry. Yeah, you know the DARPA episode I ended up kind of losing my temper and crying a little at the end, which I didn't mean to do. And it was just in the course of the research. That's what happens. Things start to unfold.

2:41:14I just wanted to see DARPA's history. And as I'm learning about it, it's like, oh, these guys did some bad, bad stuff. And then when you get to Vietnam, and you got the chemical company, Dow Chemical, and DuPont and all this creating, engine blue, engine purple, engine orange. Yeah. And I mean, more American soldiers got sick than actually got killed in the conflict. You know, I dedicated the episode to my father in law who had all kinds of injuries from engine orange. The government denied any responsibility for years. They finally agreed to a settlement in 1981. He applied for his benefits and the government made do.

2:41:50They kept their word. He got his settlement 40 years later. Jesus. And even that's never going to be enough to do. It's not those health problems. Right, so your country needs you and you answer the call and then when you need your country, take a number. And your country needs you based on a false flag. Golf of Tonkin. Yeah, which is also very dark. LBG, they fake attacks to get us to go to war. And then there's Operation Northwoods, which is a really wonky one. That was the one to get us into Cuba. Yeah. That was probably the beginning of the end for Kennedy. Because I believe Kennedy put a stop on Northwoods.

2:42:27And Bay of Pigs wouldn't allow air support. Right, he got screwed on that. And the Bay of Pigs, that was the end. That was where Kennedy says we need to start again. We got to dismantle this and start again. I can't rely on my intelligence community. And he talked to Eisenhower a lot. And Eisenhower gave him advice and said, watch out for the CIA. Keep an eye on them. Because remember when Eisenhower left, he gave that famous farewell address where it said beware of the military industrial complex. You make more profitable, you're gonna have more war. Because America was never like that before.

2:43:00You know, we had a defensive military, not an aggressive military forever. Profits where the devil does his best work. Right. Yeah. That's right. From the Bible, isn't it? It might be. But it's really what it is. If evil is real, justification for evil, like if you have a compartmentalized situation, like they do with corporations, where you have this diffusion of responsibility because you have a bunch of people that are all working together. Hey, it's not my, I'm just working. This is part of my job. And then you have a responsibility to shareholders to make maximum profits every quarter. And then you justify all kinds of things.

2:43:36And you get rewarded, great job. You did a great job, AJ. We like how you made those profits. You got a nice fat bonus. And then you know, you drink yourself to sleep every night. My step sister just retired from Grumman. She worked in top secret programs. She won't tell the family what she did. Don, don, don't. She wants to live. Good. Keep your mouth shut, lady. Keep it shut. Lisa, be quiet. I'd keep my mouth shut too. She never said a word. Why would you? It's not worth it. No. It's not worth it. Pensions too good. Also, you don't want to die. You know, it's just like they get rid of people.

2:44:10If you're in the business of killing people, which is what military contractors are, they are in the business of killing you If you're getting the business of killing people, they're like, oh, we just have to kill one more person and we can kill a whole bunch of other people and make a lot of money. Yeah. Of course. Oh, look, he had a heart attack. Whoopsies. He fell out of the hotel and the Frank Olsen murders is taught by his really intelligence as the perfect murder. Which was not. Frank Olsen was part of M .P .A. Ultra and was starting to have second doubts about it. So they sent him to a psychiatrist who he didn't know was actually worked for Sidney Gottlieb and was, you know, into programming and he was freaking out.

2:44:51And he's up in a hotel room with someone else from MK and he falls out the window. But if you look at the window where he fell, it's like, you know, two feet by two feet, you can't just jump out the window. So he was found on the sidewalk by the door man. That's Frank Olson worth looking up. Oh, he's dropped forward talking to his family afterwards. They gave him 750 grand. That's right. And it took a lot of work. Yeah. So, right, right, it was be quiet. We'll give you the money, but be quiet about it. Oh, yeah. So, I mean, it's all real. And it's just, yeah, the just the stuff that's undeniable is enough to make you just go, wow.

2:45:37Oh, what is happening? What is really going on behind scenes? You know, the MBA ultra, the testimonies from the women is really heartbreaking to watch them, but you know, the sexual abuse that they endured for years at that, you know, the whatever that was, that lodge on the water near DC, and just tortured and crazy stuff. Operation midnight caller, you know, that one. Which one's that? That's happened in San Francisco where they had agents hiring prostitutes and they Oh, midnight climax. Midnight climax behind the two -way glass. Nuts. Nuts. Bunch of weirdos. Tax dollars at work. Yeah. And it's because they had no one on the oversight.

2:46:21You're no. If ultimate power, it's all totally deniable. And it was, I think it was Nixon who banded in 72, about if it had been 69 before he came and they kept doing it anyway. Same with bio weapons, they were ordered by executive order to get rid of their bio weapons and it was found that years later, they were just stockpiling them, they still had them. Yeah. And you know, they still do. Uh -huh. Yeah. Yeah. Do you hesitate sometimes when you're doing these government cover -up ones? Yes. Yes. Yeah. I don't want to say I'm a... Because they're dangerous. They are. Bigfoot's not dangerous. No, bigfoot's not gonna hurt me.

2:47:03Think fits a fun one is funny. You are fows are fun ones different dimensions, you know least fun stuff. Yeah It's hard for me because I consider myself a patriot Very very like pro military pro law enforcement, but also anti -war and you know pro criminal justice reform Like I'm a very can me to politically confuse me to you know, I just like fairness and Transparency that sort of yeah, you like to think that our government's good I do like to think that and this journey has shown me that it's mostly not, you know, it's really mostly not But it's it's a government made of men and men are flawed and selfish and men will hurt each other And there's also justifications that be made can be made rather for doing terrible things because there's terrible people out there And you have to stay ahead always yeah Don't become a monster when you're fighting monster.

2:47:52That's exactly right and these this collateral damage is just part of it It's part of it. Yeah, you know, so we give them a settlement to say why it but this is for national security. Yeah. Great or good? What other ones have freaked you out? And it's hard to say off the top of my head. MKL Trusatopf1, I have covered North Woods and some of those. Operation Gladio was a crazy one. That was with CIA, was killing civilians and after World War II. Alan Dulles, I'm gonna do an episode in Alan Dulles that Dulles brothers there's a connection to the Nazis and all of that. That's gonna be a dangerous one.

2:48:33What were they doing? They were killing people for what reason? So we had to fight communism, communism, communism. So they trained a secret army, a civilian army in Italy to bomb civilians and then blame it on the communists. The communists at that time were the most popular party in Italy, you know, post -war. Because they just went through fascism, right? With Mussolini. So you just it always swings too far the other way right so we swing way the other way comment isn't very popular can't have that so civilians were killed in bombings by the CIA trained guerrilla army and They were trained by a Nazi general who was tight with Alan Dulles and it was and this was planned during during the war You know while while American GIs were being killed fighting the Nazis, they were already planning this next phase.

2:49:27But civilians died in massacres. They blamed it on communists and it was denied and eventually came out. It was called Operation Gladio. Gladio is the sort of the Roman soldier. How did they kill the people? Bomb. Car bomb. Car bomb was a big one. I think it was a Milan, but there was a few. I heard you were just blaming the communists. Right. It was a stop communism. Because it was a huge Italy was a lot of turmoil. I think it was called like the the years of lead or like the decades of lead something like that Because people were just getting killed all the time. I don't know how many Constitutions Italy's had since World War two, but it's it's probably over two dozen at this point.

2:50:04You know, it's a chaotic place Wow, that's my people It's my people too. We're goofy. They follow it on because it is you get far What about the re -shard structure? You know People ask me about that, that the eye of the Sahara. I usually say, you know what, go to Corsetti, go to Brighton site, go to Randall Carlson. Corsetti is the most, Randall Carlson doesn't believe that that was at Lannis. But Corsetti makes a very compelling case. Mountains to the north, river to the south. The circular, at the consenture rings. The consenture rings through the correct size. The fact that they're just still salt on the ground there.

2:50:42I wanna believe it. Yeah. And then there's like, when you pull back and you get the satellite image of the surface, and it looks like it was just completely deluged. It does. Yeah. Well, we know for a fact it was deluged. It just, it does it line up with Atlantis. I mean, Carlson has shown us how the surface of Africa was just altered by the flood. So it all lines up, but there's all these leaps that we have to make. I enjoy making them. Yeah. But you know, on my show I try to let people know, look, I connected some dots here, you know I had to fill in some gaps with a little bit of creative license But if you're interested go pursue it go learn more.

2:51:27I want that to be a lantus Yeah, it seems like Atlantis was a real place because you know once they found out that Troy was a real place Troy was also dismissed. Yes, it was they found out how Troy actually existed It doesn't seem like any of those stories were bullshit. It seems like they were historical accounts And the thing about Plato's writings about Atlantis, he talks about it having existed 900 years prior, which lines up perfectly with the younger driest. Right, and he learned it from an Egyptian priest who learned it from someone else. So the story goes back beyond Plato, if you believe Plato, which you can't believe Plato.

2:52:05Well, he was right about a lot of things. And it's just it's so fascinating we think of like that kind of historical record keeping that you're getting these Depictions of what kind of a civilization existed thousands and thousands of years ago Right, so what you know with Homer as Ilya had what did they think he was writing about a fictional place? I mean that was that was this I said I think I said 900 years I'm at 9 ,000 years Which is like first of all like how do you get 9 ,000 years of history? 2000 years ago, like what are you even getting? How are these stories, how are they documented?

2:52:45Like how do they pass them? How do they pass them on? Like who are the original people? Like what's the actual version of the story? Like which one is more accurate? Epic of Gilgamesh? Noah's Ark? Like something seems to exist in almost every ancient civilization. They all have a flood myth. Yeah, and you know Gilgamesh and Noah's Ark it sounds very they're very similar stories and there are other cultures that have a Noah's Ark story. Yeah, yeah, that's my favorite currently. I've seen like a ton of videos and I think Jimmy Corsetti does the best job about the right -short structure, but he's all in on it.

2:53:24Yes, and I think like it doesn't look natural. No, it doesn't. It doesn't. It looks like exact, and it's like what a coincidence, that it matches the dimensions of Atlantis as described. And it's in the right place. So, you know, when people argue for Bimini being Atlantis, it's like, nah, they didn't know what any of that was, but they knew what North Africa was. Right. And also, it's so close to Egypt. It's so close to what we already know was a super -advant civilization that existed. There's been no excavations of that? I don't believe so. Are the Recharge Structure? What are they done like deep 1974 was discovered different artifacts Looking right now, so it's about to show you this isn't a great example, but there's other This isn't it Another eye that looks similar to it in the same area interesting And then the comments say that there's even two or three of these whoa And I was reading Stephen novella's breakdown of Jimmy's video.

2:54:26He says he's leaving out some known facts Like there was a canal that connected each of the circles that Isn't parent and the reshot structure But those are the things I was just getting that right now This looks like canals Well, this isn't the reshot structure right right show the research and the reshot structure strange because the coloration is different than the rest of the That was also the depictions of the colors of the rocks is the same red and black. Yeah, like that is fucking crazy That's crazy. It is and the one guy who found artifacts that there was there was some stuff like out here on the outer circles But not very many inside The question is like how big was the catastrophe and how much would be left and what would you actually see?

2:55:14You know like how much was the structure altered by whatever the fuck happened? Right, so when we talk about ancient advance civilizations, we're not talking about more advanced than us. We just mean advanced. So people will say, well, where's their plastic? Where's their... Yeah, but it doesn't have to be the same kind of advance. It doesn't. Combustion engines, all the different things that we've done, electronics. We're just assuming that technology always goes in the exact same path. Whatever the fuck they were doing, whatever we know they were doing in Egypt was extraordinary with in terms of like their ability to core the drills when they have these cores that they like high -speed drills that seem to be like if not diamond tip something of a similar vein that allowed them to dig into that fucking granite like that like right how do they generate the 2 ,000 rpm's or whatever right how could they do that yeah it's all freaky man like the history I mean Graham has the best depiction he said we are a species with amnesia that's the perfect way to say, you know, it's a shame that he's marginalized, but I like that Netflix is stuck by him and keep up with those out.

2:56:22Well, the facts are the facts, you know, just the structures that he's uncovering when you're looking at Gunum Padang, when you're looking at all these different places, when you look at, you know, just match up each you, all these different places, like what the fuck was going on? Like why is this stuff so complex? Why is it so fascinating? And why aren't we allowed to ask? Why aren't we allowed to investigate it? Remember when his ancient apocalypse season one came out, there was a British newspaper said, Graham Hancock is the most dangerous man in the world. Because of the lights. As it just dumbasses.

2:56:57Well, they always wanted connected to white supremacy, which is so crazy, because Graham Hancock is the furthest from a white supremacist. You know, he's married to a woman of color. where he's like, he's like the sweetest nicest guy. He's a vegan. Of course. He's like, he's like, he's never said they were white folks. No, he's no one says that. And who cares? I just want to know who they were. Well, they couldn't be white folks because white folks don't live there. No. Like if they're Egyptians, they're Africans. Right. The Africans were the most sophisticated civilization that we have ever seen that existed at that point in time.

2:57:31We don't know if they're as sophisticated as we are, but we know they did some stuff back then that we're not capable of today. Yes. And that's real. It is. And we don't know how. We don't know what technology they had. But here's the thing. If it's not from 2500 BC, but it's really from 30 ,000 BC, what do you think would be left? Like only maybe the stone. That would be it. That's part of the problem. I mean, steel, any kind of metal gone. It would only take 100 years for Manhattan to be covered by vegetation. Right. A thousand years, the skyscrapers would crumble. 10 ,000 years it all would be washed away.

2:58:09A hundred thousand years, I guess you'd jack. Nothing. Yeah. Who is that British archaeologist that we brought up the other day, Jamie, where he has this really good point, that human beings have been in essentially the same form for the last 300 ,000 years. Like it's not outside the realm of possibility that we have achieved very high levels of sophistication multiple times and it been knocked back down to the Stone Age again. Sure. By cataclysmic events. Right. And that makes a lot of sense to me that it's just part of a cycle. Yeah. You know, the doomsday clock is it's kind of a real thing is that you just get to a level of technology where you just are too dangerous for your own good.

2:58:49We're not sophisticated enough for nuclear weapons. We're not smart enough to have those. No. Well, that's the hope is that that's what the aliens are here for. They're going, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Right. Because they have, but then why did they allow just the United States to detonate 60 something bombs and well Here's the thing two of them that caused mass death right here. She meant Nagasaki But that's also when the UFO start chilling up in mass, you know And you know, I have this comedy club called the comedy mother ship and the rooms are named fat man and little boy Okay, and the reason why is because in UFO folklore after those bombs were dropped That's when the mothership started showing up right yeah and in some tests you can see stuff in the sky in the films I think you can see something a castle bravo could be wrong But there are some tests where you can see stuff in the sky like what what was that for a few frames like they were keep it an eye on I hope they are Yeah, that would be nice.

2:59:49Please. That would be nice Well listen AJ, I love your fucking show. You provided me with hours and hours of entertainment. It's an awesome program You do a really good job. It's really well done. I don't know who's doing it with you and how you promote how you produce it But you guys fucking kill it. Thanks, man. Great team. It's a great show. The Y -files It's available on YouTube 4 .7 Three million subscribers, so I'm not alone and you guys have only been around for how many years now? To the 2020 that's amazing five years in your you have almost five million subscribers Yes, yeah, yeah, he's just back it up.

3:00:24It's a great fucking show. That's what it is So I'm glad we finally did this. Thank you very much, man And if you ever got anything crazy you want to break it here. We're ready for you I'm gonna episode coming out you want everybody know about come on back. I think we probably do this a hundred times Thank you brother. Appreciate you. All right, bye everybody

3:00:50I'm gonna go back to the studio.