#2332 - Oz Pearlman

31:29Mentalism yeah, you're a mentalist, but you call it mentalism. I guess so yeah mentalism. Did you know that or is it something that I learned it I learned you know, I learned certain things and I observed them and I didn't understand why they happened you ever have that you ever have a moment in a set Where you say it's something that you didn't think was funny. You've got a huge laugh. Mm -hmm. Do you know do you have that or do you know? Yeah, it's it's usually not the punch. It's like I didn't know that would be funny right then oftentimes the new bit Yeah, you know exactly know where it's funny where the beats are what was the word I said in this way?

31:58What was that inflection point? So when I was doing restaurants? I had this trick where I would have somebody pick a card out of a deck of cards Right they would put the card back in the deck They sign it with their name and I used to do this at a bunch of restaurants They would shuffle up the deck. I give them a rubber band. I say rubber band that bad boy And I would take the deck and I would throw it at the ceiling It's kind of a famous trick and then boom the ceiling was really high at all the restaurants I worked at so nobody could peel them there Card would be to stay stuck to the ceiling and this was great for multiple ways one everybody talks about it And they're like dude this guy stuck my card to the ceiling.

32:29How do I do that? They would also bring people back to the restaurant you write to Ching to Ching the managers love me Because we'd bring more people back to see it and point at where their card was right business 101 And so I create a great value proposition to the manager. Why am I there? I'm you know getting you guys more customers But one time I'm listening to people that came back in and they're talking about the trick and they go Yo man, I picked a card I put it back in the deck and and I shuffled it up and next thing I know I look at the ceiling and my cards on the ceiling and I'm like, you know, that's not what happened I threw the deck up the deck fell down and then the card was on the ceiling So I go why did that guy misremember it right?

33:08Maybe he's just drunk. Maybe whatever But I'm trying to understand why did he have a different memory of the same event And what I realized is that people observe what you have them focus on Right Tony Robbins has a great bit where he goes right now close your eyes tell me everything that's green in this room You're like a green. I don't know you know But then when you open your eyes, I see that the UFO lights are green instantly But I say close your eyes again. What's purple in this room? I'm like I didn't look for purple You find what you're looking for So if I Didn't say it took me a while to like iterate and figured out But if I don't look up when I throw the cards when I would throw the cards up and let them fall back down my hand and not look up The percentage would go 80 90 percent that afterwards people when they told the story They edited they clipped out the part of me throwing the deck and now it becomes a miracle How the hell is that card on the ceiling stuck you mean you shuffled it?

33:59It was sign. It's on the ceiling That went from being a good trick to a miracle and I kind of learned that about each 15 and I started realize How do I do that with everything I do because that's a life hack for everything you do that's not magic That's life. How do you get people to remember what you want and forget the things you don't want? Wow, that's how you achieve success you start to highlight Your strengths you find ways and that's a learnable skill. That's not something for magic That's something in all of life And what is like when you're thinking this when you're thinking I'm going to get people to remember something How do you how are you doing this like what's your intention when you're trying to devise like what to do Well, I guess I guess my intention well at the end of the I'm a competitive SOB I want to be the best in the world at what I do like I'm driven by that's like Olympic gold medalist Like I want to do the best things possible Most people don't know what a mentalist is you go on the street 100 people how many people are going to say yeah?

34:54I have a second um ATM card Leave that for the end, huh? I want to try it again. Yeah, not yet. I want to do the same thing. I gotta do better stuff I want to see it again though. I want to see if you could do it again. All right before we go How about that not right now or we're we're in flow okay? Okay? But I'm trying to throw you off you could listen. I don't get it right every time That's the other part a magic trick works every time this doesn't I've eaten it on live national TV really millions of people watching yeah, man There's no safety net like it's not a trick. There's not a cartridge where you put it and I find it There's not like that.

35:26So how are you doing it? What I mean? I'm telling you I don't read minds I read people I've got a whole host of different skills algorithms you name it like misdirection It's all a wheelhouse of skills that I'm using to create the impression I can read your mind But this is gotta be a weird thing to know how to do Weird like in a bad way or a good way Definitely a good way yeah, but weird to like you have like an extra frequency I agree you're tuning into with humans like you're experiencing life in a different way because you're experiencing life through this Understanding of like thought patterns.

36:02It's you know what the best way do you remember in born identity The first scene like one of the scenes where he loses memory and he walks in the restaurant You remember that scene and he's sitting at a diner. Do you remember that one? I don't He sits there and he turns and he goes he doesn't remember who he is and he goes Why do I know and I'm gonna massacre this quote, but I why do I know that guys two 50 can handle himself in a fight Why do I know this why do I know that right now I could run for two and a half miles before my core temperature goes down to this like he It's like this amazing Superhero spy moment of like how the hell does he know all that stuff?

36:31So he's observing life at a much more hyper focused level than most people are most people are dialed in at autopilot if you could Said a speaker to autopilot and here's what you're observing. I don't do it in my day to day life It requires focus. It's not the scene. It's kind of like I guess I don't know. I don't lift weights I just run But how much focus is required to try to do you know the largest bend press you ever done I assume that you have to get psyched up you have to focus you've do everything right for that to work Just analogy, but for me when I'm performing you asked me why to run 27 miles this morning that dials in my mind Like I'm focused or I thought through everything I'm gonna do today I'm it's it's a laser focus That got me kind of in tune.

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39:06How do you structure it like how do you Like day one you're like okay, I'm getting ready to do a show You mean something on TV or like what I do for a living like like events or either one any kind of show you're doing So for my day -to -day living which is I do a lot of like really big corporate events and then I do You know, I guess a lot of private parties things that sort of performances like live performances. Mm -hmm Typically I I structure it the same way I think anybody would I want to go out the gate very strong. I want to Very instantly establish credibility. Who am I what do I do? Am I any good at it?

39:40Uh, and why should you be paying attention to me because all those questions off the jump is like who the hell cares I always go into it with who cares what you can do you're special. I don't care I like the thought of I'm gonna prove to you that this is something incredible and that it's something you're interested in emotionally Right, if I told you just make a random number up who cares But now it's gonna haunt you that that's your freaking ATM pin code So I prefer that so I do something very quick that freaks you out and then every single thing needs to have a very clear premise Like I call it clarity of effect.

40:11I don't like a trick where I'm like get a book get a Rubik's Q get it like It's too confusing you need to be able to explain to a six -year -old what I did in one sentence for it to be memorable That's the key the best things you've ever seen are typically stuff you can describe in one max two sentences Hmm And for TV for TV it's the same same exact thing, but I always like to do new stuff So I've done a lot of TV appearances and I always structure it based on who's watching So rather than it being about me and I'm me saying oh look what I can do and look how cool this is right you do a card trick Again, I'm not saying that's not amazing But the cartridge is about you typically if I'm on ESPN and I've you know Done hundreds of millions of views doing stuff for football players You're watching this you're a football fan.

40:57You're like who cares about this guy I'm gonna do stuff about football players and about what interests you if you're a fan I don't know if you've seen I did a clip with Joe Burrow from the Bengals where I said Joe I ever spoken to you a word in my life. He goes no Like I honestly the funny thing about that is I wasn't even supposed to use him in the show They told me he's shy. You don't want to eat like don't use him in the show And they said if you can't avoid him and I got in there I tried to rile up the gang, you know kind of pure pressure And I'm like should we get Joe in here and they're like yeah get him up heaven's spoken a word to this guy my life There's no access.

41:26I went in with ESPN shout out to Adam Shafter who I love who set all these wheels in motion But Joe stands up doesn't know me from anyone and I say every wide receiver and tight end in the room stand up And I go what if I could tell you who you're gonna throw that ball to what's that worth right? That's the holy grail if you're in football I go catch the ball quarterback I go look at everyone in this room and I'll look at me and I wrote on a huge huge thing showed the camera throw it to anybody You want throws it got the first one right I go let's do it again I go throw it to anyone you want anyone I go anyone throw it got the second one right everyone's freaking out I go one last play one last two is luck and I write Fakes to Jermar you go watch the clip.

42:08It's most viral thing. I've ever done any fakes to Jermar turns around throws it to another guy Nailed it exactly just and you just see his face and so I was thinking about how I would do that for two years Two years of thinking of every single way that could work not work go wrong everything about it was you know He thought I went in the room and it's so simple That was two years of me thinking about it during every run So for two years you knew you were gonna do this or you knew that you were I started with the end You asked me the same way. I don't know how you like form a set But you asked me how do I design I was designing with the story people would tell and so people don't know who I am Don't anything go yo we saw this guy do you see this guy he's been here's old Joe bird to throw the ball to any people Throws it gets it right throws it like the story is I told the quarterback anybody he would throw the ball to so it was any Quarterback it wasn't Joe burrow in your head Well, I didn't know who would be when he said you could do it for two years So for two years you thought you're gonna be on the SPN and with a quarterback Well, no, so I had he was the second season so when I first started it I start brainstorming.

43:13I'm like I can't control what thoughts come in I'm constantly thinking about what I'm gonna do and I I just do notes apps I write stuff down in the shower like when I run is when I come up with stuff and in the shower Sometimes on airplanes, but I sleep on planes, but that's when it hits me Like where you're where you're bursts you must have like where are you getting material? Mostly late at night. Yeah, yeah, but sometimes driving driving you don't I mean phone calls are usually concentrated on talking to people yeah The times where ideas come to me a lot of times is driving with no music on wow.

43:48Yeah, I'm never in the car by myself ever Oh really family that yeah five kids Yeah, um, we're driving to work. Yeah Usually that's when it comes to me. Yeah, and I'm in New York City. So there's no sauna sauna is good Cuz you can't be on electronics right Yeah, the phones are killer the phones like you zap any creativity or boredom. Yeah, you do need boredom Yeah, you need boredom for ideas to come to you for sure. Yep. Yeah, that's the problem But essentially with social media. It's like it's a boredom You are still bored, but you are occupied right you don't get to sit with it. Yeah Yeah, yeah, which I think is key because that's when they kind of fire off.

44:30Yep, and I think that's you know Not to get in, but like so many kids now have no way to deal with boredom. Yeah, it's like Panic I got to get my phone. I got to you know that whole feeling of I wish there was a way to do that They're just completely on a custom to not being constantly entertained right even entertained by nonsense That's not even really entertaining. It's just distracting. Yeah, which is a big part of it Yeah, yeah, so you sat out for two years Prepping this thing. No, I didn't sit out. I was just always thinking it's like I mean You know you set out. Oh yeah, I should say set out in your mind.

45:04You had this idea in your head for two years How do I do it? Yeah, how do you do it? How do you do it? That's that that that was the question because I didn't know how to do it first. How did you do it? Million dollar question, right? I wouldn't be in business if everybody knew that's kind of well, okay, even better How did you learn how to do this kind of thing? So I started with books and then there's some videos, but it's a very What does the book tell you that's applicable? I think of you a series of foundational things like right almost everybody who becomes a mentalist stars a magician It's kind of like if you're a doctor you gotta be a doctor before you become a plastic surgeon So there's this core set of skills that you utilize To know how to fool people right to know how people think okay, right think about you if I taught you a car trick right now There's always a level of deception.

45:49We're oh that's light of hand Well, now if there's tricks called self -working tricks where you don't need to do any slight of hand Okay, they work by themselves as long as you follow the instructions like Ikea furniture like step one step two step three as long as you can Work people in a certain way to do the right thing as versus something. I'm not doing that. You're like oh shit What are you right now, right? You have to know how to finesse people you have to influence people effectively And so that same stuff within magic almost always applies to props you need a thing to do the trick Now it could be a regular deck of cards in which case you're learning slights, but also there's gimmicks Right there's tricks you can buy at stores which when I was a kid I'm like oh teenage drama get me the next gimmick But then to get better you start being able to do stuff in prompt to right that's when you kind of hit another level Where I don't need stuff I can do stuff with anything you know, I could do stuff.

46:39It's like a I guess a good story for my book that I'm writing right now, but it's like where where I just needed anything around I was like I end up in jail for a weekend. It's a long story, but like in jail one weekend stupid weekend But I walk in there by myself and I I should have been out that day But anyway, I got stuck all weekend and I watched them with cards And it was like I had trained my whole life for this moment where I walked up record scratch to like 40 dudes And I go can I see those cards and it was like everyone looked at me like what's guy about to do and I just did cartrix for the next eight hours When I went to take a shower.

47:14I'm like in my take I'm like thinking of the show azz and like oh my god right now I take I had protection I went to the shower my cost to county jail in Michigan and literally I had people being like go take a shower We got you bro What did you go to jail for? Oh so stupid so we had this is so dumb this almost to rail my whole career Drunken idiots I go up to visit a budding college and we steal from a Papa Johns God don't ask me why a broken phone at a college Papa John just being idiots I paid for the pizza, but there was a broken phone on the counter and you know This is like me slight a hand style.

47:45I'm like I'm just stealing this thing. I just gone And it was even my jacket and then I told my buddies you guys got to get something too So they go in the bathroom which doubles up as the employee locker room and they take three dirty shirts Dirty shirts from a laundry bin and we bring them back to my buddy's house like idiots We wear them and we at the party. I barely remember this. I was like black. I'm drunk Are like Papa Johns who wants a pizza who wants a pizza? I ain't going to sleep On his futon right at like 2 a .m. And at 4 a .m Someone comes in and they're like yo the cops are here.

48:17I'm like do some house. What do you want from you guys post videos? No, this is pre social media man. No, no somebody ratted us out somebody's roommate. I found this out way later Calling those yo bro. There's a bunch of dudes here with a broken phone from Papa. I didn't know any of this But somebody comes in and they're like yo the cops are here. I'm like they're here for you And I'm like here for me. What do you mean they're here for me? I don't live here and cops come in the room And I'm wearing like aggressively small underwear at this point. This is like Tidy whiteies. This couldn't have been more of like a bad perp walk And I they go yo you're under arrest and I'm like for what and they're like for stealing from Papa Johns And what am I going to say I'm wearing the shirt Oh my god.

48:56This is on a Friday night. How old do you? I was 20 years old And I was just about to get an internship from Merrill Lynch And while this story is hilarious now And it's like a funny chapter in my book. It was like god help me. Did I avoid everything? And then when I went to jail, yo, scariest one of scariest days in my life because it's it's a good you get out of everything So I got out everything because I had a clean record. I was pretty upstanding citizen and You know not to get in the weeds or something called Holmes Youthful Training act I wonder if they still have it or as expunge for my record Didn't have to report it to like the Wall Street firm And they also said they were charging me they put us in like a drunk tank me into buddies And they said they're charging us with felony larceny and I'm I've seen some Like law in order.

49:38I'm like felony. What is it's like what do we steal like 20 bucks for the stuff They go, but you stole things they don't sell had you stolen $999 of pizza It would have been a misdemeanor and I know they're lying to me I'm not a mentalist then and I'm inebriated, but I can read the room Didn't say a word knew this was BS and then they separate us when we went to general population And it's not like the movies You know, it's like it was it was wild it was wild when I went in there and I just knew this is my cheat code It was like everything in life had prepared me for this moment And the jail was also again.

50:11I didn't know this but it's very segregated like the white dudes are here the black dudes are here And I didn't know what what are you doing you go in like what do you do? I'm five foot nothing I'm like a buck 40 dripping wet. What do I do? How do you make friends right now and I see the black guys playing spades And I just walk up and it's like you make your move and I'm like let me see those cards And it was just it's like a moment I have And I didn't stop for hours and I don't repeat a trick like I know tricks and psychopedically. I just go all day Wow What an experience it's wild and then it was all thrown out and cost me some money It was definitely a very very stressful few weeks and I never stole anything since honestly that was scared straight That was very very smart like I You prefer to learn a lesson like that for my kids especially without being stupid But so many of us have to be stupid to internalize a lesson of touching the stove and I had to burn my hands But did you always talk this way the way you talk you talk very fast?

51:08A lot of energy just your whole life. I think so even though man anyone on 1 .5 x the way I listen to podcasts is gonna be miserable with me But yeah, maybe that's it like you're listening to podcasts of that speed you're communicating at that speed It's like you're on you know And you ran 27 fucking miles. That's true no caffeine. So I'm not a caffeine. You don't drink caffeine at all I try to avoid it like I'm not a coffee. I missed the boat on coffee. I honestly wish I did They probably wouldn't be good for me given how dialed in I am but like I just never started drinking caffeine So I never got into it.

51:41Do you ever mess with any stimulants? Not really no not really. What does that mean like what do you mean by stint like all have like anything if I don't sleep? Yeah, and that happens a lot So if I'm not like getting enough sleep and I've done a red eye and I'm this and that I will occasionally do like a Celsius or red bull, but I don't really like it I do it kind of as medicine because I have to be alive in Function, but I really try to avoid it because I like when you get hit with a Celsius And you haven't been drinking any caffeine. So I only drink about a third of it and then I pour it out um and my kids are always like why are you pouring that out and they call everything a brusky?

52:15Which is a weird thing they call just because before I always like it was always like a brusky is what they think Extrapolated to every beverage in a can being a brusky. That's hilarious. That's funny And so one third just like I can't do more than that. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you drink a four -local I did for a Booz in it. You know four locoes are like Yeah, that's one thing. Yeah, it was like caffeine too. That's like bad decisions in a can right there Yeah, like what am I thinking? Oh a red line? Is that the one? No, I think it's for a loco. It's caffeine. It's without one It's like was just caffeine.

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54:54Do you when you plan out a show whether it's a corporate show or a television show Do you have like a whiteboard? Do you like put your ideas on like how do you how do you do it? But so I take meticulous notes about everything Everyone I meet everything at the end of a show Immediately if as quickly as I can afterwards probably some people record shows I hate rewatching myself on corporate shows and like live shows Sure, I don't mind TV stuff But for some reason those if I've repeated material because I you know, it's like muscle memory you've done this before It irks me to watch again But I write down everything that happened every sent nuance like paragraphs about everything that happened Which is a useful like life hack because I remember it all but also I get repeat bookings a lot So if somebody brings me back Now it's like a real magic trick right?

55:38I know everything about what happened and if you even just recount stuff from two years ago People think you have superhuman memory or what do they like people's number one subjects are themselves They're family and their friends The more you can do that and give them back stuff about them the more They're like wow what a caring individual right being a good listener a lot of times Just repeating back to people what they just said right right When you do these corporate shows and you do these television shows When it goes great do you have this idea in your head like now I've got to ramp it up Now I've got to push it even further now.

56:17I've got to make it even more difficult for me for sure for TV more than corporate Because corporates not as big of a deal because What does somebody want there? They want to define Quantity right they don't want somebody you don't want to work out new material if you're being paid a lot It's just it's a stadium. Are you doing new ones? Like you're gonna do your hour you're gonna do what's solid So I do a lot of that and the problem is I don't really have a lot of places where I can do new material Because I'm I'm just so busy. So I have so many events that I I don't really have like anything that I they're like open mics for Mentalists where you can go practice there might have been in the past but right now it's not it's just not where I'm at So you just practice on friends sometimes I Everything's in my head So yeah, so I a lot of things I'll do on TV.

57:02I've never done before ever Really yeah, so I'm just thinking through everything that could go wrong and I go through kind of like a list of What could go wrong here? What could go wrong here? What if they think this right there? What if we change this? I have like plan a bcde. I've just a long list of what everything will go like a pick your own adventure and typically I know where to go with it and then controlling your body and your tension is everything right so You're a hunter You step on a branch animal. Here's it. What happens right gone? Right? It's a it's a sense that we can feel we have the same thing We're animals if I get tense when something's going wrong You can sense it even if you don't know it on a conscious level you can sense it and now we have a cascade So my job is is based upon me being somewhere the alpha and being in control of the situation And so if I right think about it if I just said think of your pinco you're like I don't want to right?

57:58I don't want to I'm gonna do this instead. I'm gonna do this instead right how did you Acque -est to my will you did what I wanted in essence right? We couldn't manipulate anyway, but at the end of the day You did what I wanted right and in my show I'm the one pointing the camera. I'm always the director You don't get to point where you want I kind of in charge and even if I let you think you're in charge I'm still in charge at the end of the day Right I come to my kids. I want them to eat veggies. I don't say you got to eat your veggies They'll say no I go you're so lucky right now Carrots cucumbers or peppers which one you're so lucky you get to choose first before your brother or sister now I framed it differently Right anybody was tolerance knows that's the best way to do it don't go straight on that's not gonna work Right so the same thing applies power dynamics in relationships with people So I got lost in my train of thought But in essence if I am messing up and you know it It's gonna go downhill really fast and so on TV some of my biggest mess -ups You don't know but I am shitting my pants flop sweat like fully and I can't let you see that I need to be so calm because if I am not calm You can actually you can actually tell and it's gonna keep going worse And I can't get you to go back to what I want and I've lost control the situation So years and years were spent doing that It's I would say it's very akin to a sniper I'm not a sniper don't get me wrong not military But how do you calm your heart rate?

59:20How do you stay calm even when you're not and I could have an HRM on me I'm calm When things are going wrong if I must help the running must help for that. I think so Low heart rate. I just end control of it as well. Yeah, like your heart muscles very finely tuned Yeah, I think it helps. I mean it can't hurt. Yeah, my friend camhains. Yep Also runs these crazy ultra marathons. He's also the best bow hunter in the world No, hunting is a lot of it is controlling your anxiety at the moment of the shot execution And I would imagine for him his heart rate is like completely under control all the time because he's always like very low Yeah, it's because he does so many miles like everything he can stay calm It's probably a really great tool just for staying calm, right?

1:00:08I think so I mean the way I describe the ultra marathons because they're silly right you he just ran Love cam ran 250 miles. You see that thing amazing That's a crazy thing to do that's not healthy and I'm a nutcase who can say that and for most people like I don't want to do that And you don't need to but what is that what is that really When you do that Everything else in life becomes easier The lows that you experience when you do something like that Is a way you cannot fake in any other way you cannot test who you really are Then putting yourself you could be on the couch saying what would I do and be tough guy and you're pretend to be Gorgons or heinous but until you get in that level where you're miserable you haven't slept in a day you have all that There might be another way to push yourself But that's where you learn who am I really at my core and then when you go back to normal life Everything else the volume is turned down and when I come back from those races all I do is get a mirror to put up to see who am I really When things are at the lowest and when I want to quit and I don't Hmm.

1:01:12Yeah, I think that's that's a very strong statement I think one of the things that you just said there I've said a bunch of times that if you can work out really hard and push your body and push your mind It makes other Forms of adversity that you face during the day much easier And I think that's one of the reasons why so many people are so filled with anxiety It seems like that's such a simple solution that most people don't want to accept it like oh there's more to that There's a mental imbalance is a there's a this there's that like Perhaps but everybody that I know that does what I'm talking about everybody I know that pushes themselves very hard in the gym or running or doing yoga or whatever They're the most happy in the most relaxed and they're able to face adversity throughout the day much easier than people That don't take care of their body that don't eat well that don't exercise and don't experience any voluntary physical discomfort Couldn't agree more.

1:02:06It's just I think it's it's I think it's mandatory You know, and it doesn't have to be what I do or it doesn't have to be what you do it's go find do pickleball Okay, go play some other sport tennis do something that's fun Jiu Jitsu is a great one. Yeah, it's fun to do and then you learn how to do something while you're working out Moitai is another one like that. You know, there's a lot of stuff that you can do that's fun that's exercise but Man, you should exercise, you know, you got to move your body You got to move your body again. I don't want to speak out a turn like medical But they've shown over and over that exercise is just it's almost as effective in certain regards and like like just being a certain level of Healthiness then anti -depressants no more effective.

1:02:47Yeah, more effective. It's unbelievable statistically clinically more effective more effective It because it's of course it is of course it is like this is the reason why people are so filled with anxieties Because your body has certain physical requirements right your body was designed to fight off predators and to run away from enemies and to Hunt and gather food. That's the same DNA as people that lived tens of thousands of years ago courses through your body That's or it's the fabric of your body. That's you right you look can't deny that and there's a reason why this this sedentary Sort of generation that we're experiencing right now because of phones and tablets and all the Sitting in front of screens all the time.

1:03:29It's the most depressed right no for sure anxious to I think Jonathan Haydon like it's it's Yeah, it's it's wild the correlation and it's just so clear cut. But yeah social media is very uh It's it's it's one of the things there's some benefits But man oh man you can't put that genie back in the bottle. You gotta find the right way to do it There's some benefits in that there's a lot of inspiration. I agree. You know and also information You know, I'm not completely off of social media I tap in and we remember but I've Radically reduced it over the last month or so and in doing that it's really been much Much nicer like life is way easier, but occasionally I'll find something really interesting on social media So it's like boy, I don't want to not know that I don't want to not like find out about some new scientific breakthrough or some new thing that's going on One of the things that I found that um Helps me those instead of social media I just I just have a bunch of stuff that I curate in my google news app So I'll just like find like any sort of scientific breakthrough or some weird discovery or a lot of really interesting things about ancient civilizations I just have that stuff curate so just shows up on my feed Where you get that on your phone?

1:04:43Yeah, it's just the google news app. It's great because it's like that way I can find stuff out without having to go and just Hopefully randomly run into it on x or on instagram right you know That's how that helps a lot terrible with x a lot of my friends get news on x I'm just like oh too much negative It's all a lot of negativity and for instagram for years I started realizing that it just uh Like a comparing despair is one of the you know that like where I'm like why am I Getting off of this and feeling worse than I did getting on it And so I really headed flip a switch in my brain To to I got rid of that anything that I don't like I don't show and I stop focusing on what I don't have and what I focus on what I do have And so it so did you like used to go to it and you see someone with a giant house and a Lamborghini or something like that It wasn't material possession It wasn't material it was I need to use so I don't look at people and hope poorly upon them I look more at it and say I'm not doing enough.

1:05:43So it's like a inferior You're always gonna be lesser than right? You're always gonna be someone's gonna be younger richer smarter like every ur but in my case it was more of I Wanted to achieve a level success and just seeing other people in my field or other fields and I felt like I'm not doing enough You know try somewhat driven ambitious. So I'm like, I'm just not doing enough right now And it's that constant feeling of I'm not doing enough doesn't drive you It would be better to see look at them. I'm so happy for them. I'm gonna do that too like I it should be a positive uplifting thing And it's a flip in your brain.

1:06:13It's like multiplying negative one times negative one and much more of the Inflection point of gratitude like I You know J. Shetty J. I don't know podcaster really good dude. I definitely hurt met him last year and he told me something very stuck with me for the last year Which is million thoughts a day. We're on social media. We're all this that he was the only two thoughts You can't control them all but try to control two thoughts each day the first one when you wake up And the last when you go to sleep. It's that easy Those two just try to have the first thing you wake up be one and before you go to bed just have one last thought And I they're always for me.

1:06:51It's like yo Every day alive is a blessing like I literally I believe that in my core you I don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow Like a parent in my school just passed away recently shattered like young kids cancer I'm gonna know a few people and you see that and you're like no, that's for real though You don't know what will happen tomorrow, right? So I've hit the lottery like I'm blessed beyond measure Wife way out of my league smart gorgeous sharp as a whip five beautiful kids like I try to focus on everything I have and never on what I don't have I get to do what I love for a living like my mindset is completely evolved of Why would I think of what people don't and everybody if you're alive you should be happy You do not know what tomorrow will be and I know that's all like new age you would ever but that's You don't know when you're you're clocks up We were just talking about that in the green room last night at the comedy club about gravity The problem with gratitude is that too many people have co -opted it right and really annoying people annoying annoying like wooden beads types You know like right right but gratitude is really important But no, it's actually what you think because your thoughts create a lot of your reality the same way I said looking around the room So if your mindset starts to become one more of rather than you see someone you're like screw that guy He's rich right?

1:08:03That's how the mindset that's easy for you to say they're rich you see that in comments all the time Yep, I'm like I think that person worked their butt off to get to where they are And what did they do and you know what that's inspirational to me? What can I learn from that and so that's just a mindset of I don't see it as a zero -sum game But it's one thing that those people that post things like that have in common when you go to their page They're all very boring right it's really interesting you see like the expression of their dull mind That's like fuck them they got money right? I don't have money There you go, but it's a dull brain and I always wonder like what is it like to be that person?

1:08:37Is that person is that a biological hitch or is it just learned behavior? Like what is it that makes them that stupid? I don't know if it's stupid I mean I don't know if a judge but I think you project your insecurities. It's a little bit of that But it's just it's clearly a stupid way to think right you know It's totally not empowering like to complain about someone else's success or be angry about someone else's success Is not empowering in any way shape or form and so that's inherently stupid But you find the excuses because you're like if I had that if I had that yeah and rather than Must be nice Well exactly must be nice rather than saying How do I do this for myself?

1:09:16It's much easier especially if you've given up on certain things. Yeah now once you've given up It's better to make excuses and bring someone else down to try to bring you up Well, here's what's dumb about it. This is why I said it's stupid It doesn't get any better When you think like that Instead if you can shift your focus and see someone doing something Recognize that these tinges of jealousy that you feel are completely natural But realize that to get the most out of this you have to switch that in your mind to inspiration And that person's success that's kind of freaking you out now becomes fuel right now becomes fuel and you can motivate yourself But you have to avoid the fuck that In book these book that that doesn't help you at all that does zero good for you And in fact it occupies all of your precious time with complaining When instead if you can manage it and it can be managed You can turn that into inspiration and then go out and try to do something either focus more on what you're doing Realize maybe I'm doing this Where it's not as efficient or maybe I can have more energy Maybe I just need to do it more Maybe I need to be a little bit more disciplined in my approach whatever it is But those little shifts will have measurable changes in the outcomes Huge huge changes major down the line especially the big one Change jealousy to inspiration love that you have to be able to do it right.

1:10:47It's it's a giant key You know, I remember when I was 21 years old there was a guy who was going on stage and I was hoping that he bombed Right I remember thinking that I was hoping that he bombed and the reason I Recognized it I was realizing that I was recognized that he was talented And then he was really funny and it bothered me that maybe I wasn't as talented as him or I wasn't as funny as him So instead of like seeing him go what is he doing like wow? This is great Instead now all the sudden I was hoping that he failed right and then I realized like oh here's the problem You first of all that's just like general bitch thinking that like can enter into your head And you got to figure out how to stop that yep But I also realized that I was getting to this weird precarious position which happens to a lot of artists where You get into something whether it's music or stand -up comedy because you love it as a fan You love watching it like I loved comedy But then I when I became a comedian I stopped loving comedy now I was Comparing everyone to myself right that's brutal right?

1:11:57Yeah, and it's not good for you And I was like no no no you got to go back to laughing at stuff that's good and not connecting it to you at all It has nothing to do with you So when someone's really good that should be great right and then you should be laughing Even if you don't like that person you should be laughing right just you even if you hate someone and they're funny You should be laughing because it's good for you. Yeah, and it's I find that it's over time It's it's it's almost it's selfish But it's selfless at the same time is I like to show love to people coming up as much as possible and try to highlight them and try to kind of Pay it forward in a way.

1:12:33Yeah, that's for the new people that are kind of doing what I do doing different things It makes you feel good. It makes you feel good right to do good for other fish to help people I say that too. Yeah, it's very funny. We think that same This episode is brought to you by uber eats summer is here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with uber eats What do I mean by almost well? You can't get a well -groom lawn delivered But you can get chicken Parmesan delivered a day in the sun. No a bottle of rum Yes, uber eats can definitely get you that for almost almost anything delivered with uber eats Order now for alcohol you must be legal drinking age.

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1:14:12That's always where is that in the cult always always a message from God right That tells you need more pussy and you're like those two right there. I don't know why He didn't I didn't say it. I didn't say it for the record Yeah, God said it and then always the part else is there's always some sort of a End point like the world's gonna end But it didn't because we prayed so hard so we're back, baby Yeah, those guys are great. There was a billboard in Los Angeles So a while back that had the date of the end of the world right and you drive buying I was like I can't wait to show up here and take a selfie in front of it the day after this fucking stupid date right Because those guys are never right never right the that's weird.

1:14:56They're the worst mentalists You know the the call leaders? Yeah Cult leaders. They did never see the writing on the wall. The cult leader has like a very unique where again There's there's a fine line between if you looked at a path of my life again I don't see myself cult leader But a con man is very similar in many regards to what I do because that's using these skills in what I would describe as Like an unethical way right? Don't you think they're the same thing the cult leaders a type of con man Oh, I'm saying what I do is like a con man. Yeah, but you are a con man for entertainment purposes right exactly It's different like you're not you have an understanding of the human mind But instead of using in it in a you do it for entertainment Which is like a good way to use it for sure everybody gets happiness It's happiness and you're not lying about the premise which is the premise is I'm starting from the jump I'm not psychic.

1:15:45I'm not supernatural people ask me is this like a talent or is it a gift? And I think it's similar well Yeah, I mean you've got to have some sort of thing in you to be a good comedian or a good musician or anything like that You can work on it and get better, but I'm never going to the NBA You know what I'm saying that's what I have you have to have some attributes There's like a personality trait that just is embedded in you from the time you're young for whatever the thing is that you love to do Maybe it was like watching my folks maybe there was a lot of weird stuff. I was very good at math as a kid like an unusually good at math And I would do weird stuff like I count steps every time I knew every step in every place I've went to like some Rainman stuff and when I would go this is from the time I was like six we go to little Caesars I'll never forget I lived in Metro Detroit and before they rang up the food I knew the percentage tax it would be so when they did it I would instantly say before I'd look and I know what my mom is gonna say I'm gonna you're gonna get $16 .18 So how did you know that and change and it was like a weird That's crazy.

1:16:43It was like a weird thing that I got very good at and I think the boom dopamine hit dopamine hit They would like that and so it's ingrained where I was good at again people become the Joker because there's some sort of dark thing and they're not everybody but typically there's some I don't say trauma But you're not gonna be funny. You're amazing unless something happened your life where you have a reason to be Retaining right and so I think there's points in time where I could take people's minds off things And this was a great way to do it and also magic people don't get to know you They get to know the character the performer.

1:17:17So you get that nice little separation Which I learned at a young age was really like how to make rejection fear of rejection fear of failure most people That's their number one fear and I learned at 14 how to make that gone like eliminate that entirely Interesting that's interesting It's also the dynamic of you being in control, which I think you you know you talked about earlier I think is for whatever reason Imperative where you're speaking to people you have to be in control for them to let you kind of guide everything You don't want other people you don't want to ask questions and you have everybody like free to talk and No, I don't mind that now I don't mind that but if they do it when I want them to right it's like again So the best sales people in the world aren't they used car sales like buy this buy this that's nobody does well The number one salesperson organization is the one Who gets you to sell yourself they're bending over backwards to be like I got I got to do business Right you get someone to the point where at the end you don't have to hard close right every organization I work for and I go in there and like show you how to do sales training 101 It's going to be the person who gets the other person to sell themself That's what you do you lay the bread crumbs into the trap the trap is not a bad thing But the same thing happens in my show.

1:18:33I am leading you in a certain direction Hmm watch I'll show you something how often is Jamie I Jamie when I walked in I talked to him for like two minutes Said he loves magic It does is that true is Jamie off mic It did not do this You have daughters correct. Yes So it's hard I I have three girls two boys and I found when I named our girls Well, we named it together obviously the naming of the girls is far harder than the boys when you named your daughters Was it agreed upon were you like shortlisted how did it go about? Well, I feel like my wife did way more work than I did yeah for sure So she carries the baby in her body and I said listen I would just want veto power Vito where you can't name the kid applesauce or something stupid But she did I go I don't think it's a fair proposition That's like literally what I said I said and I don't give a fuck about names And they've got your name for last name just so enough there but yeah, it's right.

1:19:37Yeah exactly and so to say but my name is Joe Is a boring ass stupid name it doesn't bother me at all then I have the same name as a billion people right so for me Names don't mean anything and it meant something for her so I said you decide So watch this what are the do you know what the most common names are right now? I know this recently but I like I want a two -week old But the most common names right now are not the same as when you were naming your daughters as my guest if they're teenagers What do you know what the most common name right now in in America? I think it's six years running mom.

1:20:06I'm gonna this up. No, no for girls For girls is it though? Olivia check maybe can you look up top 10? That's a beautiful name. Look up. It just came out social security I know this because like I said we were trying to figure out names is am I right? It should be Olivia's number one I don't know Google top 10. Who do you think of when you think of Olivia? Hmm I thought initially of Olivia Wilde. Who's Olivia Wilde? Movie star Quite a place do you know she is oh that lady yeah, oh she's great. Yeah, I thought of Olivia Newton John. Yeah, that's second So I would have been second I perform for Olivia Wilde never Olivia Newton John.

1:20:44What did you get did you find out? Yeah? You're gonna show you the list. Oh, yeah, it's not a trick. I just want to see Olivia's number one Emma Emma, Amelia, Charlotte, Mia, Mia, Sophia, Isabelle, Evelyn. Yep. That's interesting eight. I would have never imagined that right You did not hear those names when you were growing up. There were probably no girls named Ava when you were child Oh, none of any of these names maybe Olivia After Olivia Newton John, but that's crazy. Sophia's number 10. That's interesting and Sophia spelled two different ways So it's technically number one Jamie. Oh really if I ask you Okay, oh that's right.

1:21:18It is spelled pH and F. Wow Interesting that Sophia's number one really Huh Harper with Harper 11 12 Camila Camila number 11 that's nuts Eleanor older names are coming back. Yep really older names. Yeah, that's like Eleanor is like my friend Eleanor Carrigan She's in her 50s um Il Ilya was number 18. That's crazy. What are the odds right what are the odds that you told me is Ilya on it in the top 20 of names I was shut the fuck off who names your kid that That's no, it's a beautiful name love that name. It's a beautiful. It's not a bad name. It's beautiful name But it's like it's like I would have never thought it was that common So when you think of how this is happening watch this Jamie.

1:22:13I ask you to come up with somebody absolutely random from your past Absolutely random a Doug deep. Okay, you're it got it. Yeah, okay It's not a lot of how do you know this person not oh you shouldn't have said that Pre -school somebody in preschool you still keep in touch right met him. No, she said to him. Why do you say him? Playing the pronoun game what's going on here? You know what? No, no, there's too many giveaways. Just said wasn't on the list doesn't this right let me ask you a question Let's try again. No, no, I'm do something better. We'll switch. This is a glitch in the matrix dude Jamie close your eyes Close your eyes.

1:22:56You got a look. Okay, so pretend you're closing your eyes. I'm gonna put you in the spot Yeah, okay, it's not the pre preschool girl I want you close your eyes go back in time and try to picture the face I was called the one that got your first big crush Can you visualize her face or you can't see her clearly I just asked me this before I just like a it's a tough question because yeah the way you started wording It was like is this up first crush for me was like the first person like I knew there's like TV people and stuff like that Oh, is it a TV person? That's what would have been technically I guess yeah Your first crush was a TV person sure.

1:23:33Yes, I'm gonna. I saw TV. Is that right? I think so Okay, I guess yeah, well, I don't know is that I don't know I'll try this if I were to ask you to look up how popular this name is well No, I'm not gonna do it again It's not top 10 is that correct? Okay, hold on look this way at me I want you without using your fingers to count the number of letters in this person's name the real name or the characters name I don't know if that matters. I don't know. I don't I've never had a fictional character as my first crush this guy Got weird. I don't know whatever. I don't ever name you went with I don't say it out loud.

1:24:06I'll go at the fictional character Don't say don't say no, no, don't tell me what they weren't a real person then so you know Well, I don't know oh don't say oh, no, no, no, oh, no, oh, man. Don't tell me don't give me more clues. I'm not gonna figure it out good. All right You know what do this Joe? I want you to see this should we get a piece of paper right down those mics everywhere? Okay, let's Screw it. Don't even write down. Don't even write down. No, no, not you. I was gonna have him write it down. Okay Eight or nine do do me a favor. Sure count again, but to yourself don't do it out loud count to yourself What the letters?

1:24:38Yeah, don't do it out loud. No, the eight or nine wasn't the letters. But go ahead. Yeah So confused all right good. It's got all over the place. Jamie wants this to go wrong. He does I do too I don't know if this the real name or the fake name anymore But before today and me asking you to think of this person be honest. Yep. Would it have been Days months or literally years before today since this person even crossed your thoughts Honestly, this would have been a couple months couple months. Could Joe know it? No, all right mix up the letters And stop like scrabble tiles Freeze and grab out a letter somewhere in the name maybe grab one out of the middle.

1:25:20Okay, you got it You did too many switch. I'll try to look to you. No, no, you did shift the eyes. You did this one and then this you didn't do a vowel, did you? I don't know. Well, you can tell me it's it's you did a vowel after all that eight EI OU look at me first one I picked and you went to the end. Oh Do you think the last letter no the last letter is a vowel though isn't it Sometimes it is here we go. Sometimes why yeah, that's the one That's about EI OU. It's sometimes why Take a look don't say don't say okay I don't know I this is who knows it Was it nine letters the name is nine letters long isn't it hurt the real person's name is nine letters?

1:26:08Yeah, yeah, yeah the real and and he hadn't thought it's a person in months. Yeah, it does I know I saw I saw it and you switched the one and I wrote this down Joe you see it right I can't change it no trick here. No, yes What's your name is first crush aren't TV or real name is Christine? Christine is what I wrote down Christine is what I wrote down Or fake names melody from hey dude you don't have to tell me I know I know Christine Taylor How'd you know There's this I wait wait hold on right now right now I want to try this here's someone try Joe how many people how many people Just happened wait where did I put this are you an alien hold on do you work for the CIA I got to take a leak like crazy to you It was all right.

1:26:49There's the bag. I dude. I drank like two gators before I got in here for the run That was a mistake what bag there's a bag. Oh, I didn't bring it in bring it. No, don't you go pee and get your bag? I've got I've got I've got I've got I've got look I want you to do this I put together. This is for you Joe take these 50 people chat GPT look through that list. Okay And these are all people I didn't make this up. I just wrote them down. Okay. Who have been on the show multiple times And that or and that idea I how would I describe this my guess is you have a personal connection You know these people is that a fair assessment and rattle off if there's anybody in there that you feel is not Fits the bill or you don't talk to me anymore throw it away.

1:27:33I don't care. Okay Yeah, I know all these people you know these people. Mm -hmm. Okay, sure It's not a trick. I'm not gonna guess who it is. I wrote the list. I know who they all are got it I don't care you want to mix them you want to do so I don't care whatever you want to do Once you mix them up or whatever you want to do put them in front of you please like a pile Turn kind of oh you're not gonna look cuz I want to be like random Okay, I'm gonna put them in front of you kind of turn sideways turn sideways. Well, I want to see what you're doing Okay And I think we're gonna do this together.

1:28:02I don't know if I'm gonna reach over now. Okay. Here's what I want you to do I want you to take I'm gonna do it with you is I want you to lift off like a chunk a chunk Yeah, like a chunk and put the chunk over over here. No, no, no, like next to you. Okay. Yeah, I don't know How do I can I move over with the mic or no? Yeah, just come over here. Yeah Take the headphones off take them off or leave mine take them off Take this take this okay We'll take take the piece and I want you to take and the same way that I'm making a bunch of chunks like this I want you to take and I want you to be in charge of so take these ones Okay, and would you agree that's pretty randomized very randomized Okay, and I want to assess right now.

1:28:44There's five of them. Okay is take one of the piles Okay, and put it like which other pile you're going with another pile like point to another one Okay, this one how about this one? Yeah, perfect and I want you don't show me. Okay. I want you Like grab that one all right the card the card on top. I wherever you want take it grab it and look at that person's name Okay, and don't let me see it how likely if you were to text this person do you think would they answer? 100 % oh you sure? Yeah, 100 % Uh, most of the list was a guy guys. Is it a guy? Yeah, okay not judging a lot of dudes on the show put them all back together Okay, let's assess this.

1:29:22I don't want to who it is. I don't care who it is as long I want to see if they're not gonna answer. I would tell you to text somebody new Okay, text this person in your own words and say I don't know uh Got a minute need a favor and see if he texts back if he doesn't we go to somebody new we'll give it like I don't know 15 20 minutes Okay Can I tell him what's going on? I would Hege and not say yet because I want to see where he goes with it because if you tell him I like I don't care But I want to I want to keep this very I don't want him to know where we're going yet. Okay. Should I tell him to text me back?

1:29:57Right. Yeah, I guess text me back that works Hey brother do me a favor and text me back as soon as you get this It's gonna sound like someone's dying, but okay, it depends on it Okay All right and put it down we'll revisit later Pressures Let's see. Let's check back in a few minutes. Okay. Will it vibrate if he did? Uh, no, I have it on do not disturb, but I'll take it off Here we go. Okay Um, he's very busy so he might not be in front of his phone. No worries if it doesn't go We'll give it some time and if not We'll switch gears. Okay, but turn your phone face down soon. I think I can see it.

1:30:38I don't want to know. Okay. What where? All righty. Well, we'll revisit. We'll come back So I feel it when it vibrates. Oh, I'm all p later. I'm holding it in though. I knew the Joe Rogan effect Okay We're just gonna sit here and wait for no no no, we'll check back in later. It seems ridiculous Is it yeah, because he could be working out. He could do it anything So if we get it it's meant to be this is uh, we'll see. Okay. It's not it's not pressing you have an idea who it is I don't know I can look through the list again. It's not camhains. Is it after you send all that with someone pop it into your head I'm not gonna guess who it is not at all.

1:31:13No, because here's the reason why if we reveal stuff. I don't want you to If I guess like something very specific about this person that will like He might not want to want to know his ATM pinco to a social security number. Oh, you're gonna guess it I don't know what I'm gonna do yet, but I don't want you could tip it But he's gonna be prepared to everybody finds out something so I prefer if nobody knows yet But if we want to you'll see okay Okay, take it to the next level Jamie's in the room right But what if we just get anyone who you could have picked anybody you know right now. It's different right now It's never been done before right you asked me what do I wake up with thinking about how could I do this?

1:31:51Yeah, how are you gonna do this? I don't know. Let's see if it works. Let's see if it works So okay, oh he got me he did yeah, okay Uh, here's the thing I think that if I were you I'd say later well texting what if somebody saw something no No, no, I haven't I don't give any clues yet if you're there's microphones everywhere We just asked him to think of his first crush, but he did like someone fictional and like that. Oh, can I tell him? I'm in the middle of a show Yeah, maybe say Sam in the middle of the show okay Okay, and say uh, we're doing a bit I do you want to call him because if you're texting this do you want to call him or do you want to text him?

1:32:32Well, if I call him people gonna hear his voice No, but what if you call him and you just go over there which one's better to you? Which one's more impossible? We're later you go there's just no freaking way is it better if he texts you or is it better if he calls you? What do you think is just more impossible? I could have him call me Yeah, why not do this have him call you in a second you'll go over there where there's no microphone And I want you to ask this guy the same question I asked Jamie Do you remember the name of the first grill you had a big crush on? And sometimes people don't remember I just want you to know I've done this a lot.

1:33:05Should I ask him that? Not yet. I would do it on the phone. Okay, let's screw it ask him that okay, dude Okay I should just did it with voice now and oh, cuz then oh yeah Nobody's listening to this. I'm sure no, but I mean it's quicker Don't tell me what he says okay if he says no a lot of people don't remember this question Okay, so then I hedge and I go wow who's the first grill you ever kiss? Let's see but make sure there's absolutely no way I can see what's on your phone right now. Are we can't really boom get that tight I can't see bitch Okay mad okay, does he know he doesn't know he knows yep, right away.

1:33:51Did he tell you yep? No shit? Yep, ask him is it the same as the first grill he ever kissed Okay, so he says here we go No Does he remember her name too? Okay Yep, it's two weeks ago right now I'm can put it put away you have two names in your head Okay, can we establish the fact that you have 50 people that have been on your show yes that you took anybody right if this person would have texted back Text somebody else. I don't care who it is right. There is no conceivable way This isn't a bank that gave you a number right and if he didn't know who it is we're done something different I don't care put the phone away okay How am I gonna do this?

1:34:53How am I gonna do this right and he said what happens when it goes wrong nothing? I'm not getting paid to be here Don't care You're freaking me out Think of both names. They're different. He had two different people. Yes The same way that you did 2020 and you didn't know think of both names and I went to juggle back and forth between the two the first kiss in the first crush Okay, and Is one name more interesting to you or like they're equal or is one any more interesting or not really? Not really, okay, so you don't like if you gravitate I would have been like go to one. Okay Count the number of letters In the first crush to yourself don't use your fingers.

1:35:31I can see count the number of letters to yourself for the first crush I did it. It's like you out. Yeah, I started doing this and then count the number of letters in the first kiss Oh, you looked up interesting They're not equal. Can you agree with me? They're not the same amount of letters. Are they? No, they're not no see I because you had the same reaction Do you know when you put somebody in a polygraph test? Have you ever been polygraphed? No They can't just ask you the questions right away. They can't because they first have to get your benchmarks same way blood Doping you got to test someone's blood against their blood people have different amounts of testosterone naturally So I had to see how you would do each one And then you did the thing with the eyes that throw me off the first crush Is that name shorter than the first kiss?

1:36:21Yes Yes, yeah, go to the first crush. I'm gonna go with that one less work for me. Okay, one more time count the letters Okay, and you were trying to avoid it six letters. Is that name six letters? Yes, yeah Mix up all the letters. Okay in that first crush's name forget the first kiss wrap it. Okay Pick anyone in your head you got one got it Jamie gave me a gift on a platter thought of a vowel When he did that it was a hundred percent you wouldn't pick a vowel later you didn't do a vowel in the name did you? No Dude, I'm here for a reason right I haven't done this I've been doing this for a long time right told you Goals to be the best in the world at this.

1:37:02Okay. I have watched I know everything you just did Second letter do you think a second letter? I will mm -mm Amanda's the name Amanda yes What the fuck did you and you will talk about this for years? Hold on. I'm texting him back You Can you figure out the second one? No, I'm done man come on Showbiz you do your closer you dropped the mic and you picked the Mac mic back up never do you want to know who it was? No, I don't know This episode is brought to you by ship station managing and e -commerce business is challenging enough without the added chaos of shipping and order fulfillment It can feel like trying to herd cats on roller skates.

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1:39:35It's definitely a comedian. I got a lot of weird people. Yeah I Don't know how to go back to conversation mode am I right and I got a piss like a race? Do I do do I do I do we keep going do we go strong with this no I'm just saying we'll we'll we'll Recalibrate. It's always easier to pee is that all right. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's perfect because you don't want to It's too hard to form sentences when you have to pee all right. I'm gonna take a quick break. We'll break rapid fire. Are we back? We're back lightening Much better brand new. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I know the feeling. I was sitting on it You rehydrate and I drank so much catering right before and I was like oh party foul should have thought that one through So do you want to know who was yet?

1:40:20It's up to you. I like hanging hanging thread, but it's up to you But what is the purpose of hanging the thread? No, I just tell us at the end. Can you tell me who it is? I could but come on I know I'll tell you at the end Okay, you already gave the comedian you said this no, it's a comedian. He's a witch kill him 100 % 100 % that's not Ben Shapiro you know what I'm saying As you say witch did he tell you no no no I took the quickest pee of my life. I raced over there You didn't tell no I don't want to know. Curit. Do you think that there's people that knew the ship back in the days of witches They figured out some of the powers.

1:40:55Maybe it not power. I think that 100 % Psychics of the past Used a lot of the same techniques I'm using because when I watch psychics and I have people always tell me it's certain things They tell me like oh, you know I saw psychic do this in this and this and I hear it and I go to myself You know I could do that same trick and I could no offense do it better But think about it. I'm doing this right now from with an ethical compass versus if I go Oh, I'm getting this and I thought about this and this is what happened with your Daniel I'm like oh my god. You know I'm gonna go only 25 grand more to have a private session.

1:41:24Let's talk to him a little bit more Hmm right I'm not saying there's nobody psychic. I'm telling you that a lot of the psychic so I'm watching them like I know how you're doing that That was my other question. Yeah, yeah, as any have you caught anyone trying to get some stuff by you like? I don't know like a psychic I'm not a psychic you're buying a car and someone's trying to pull some trickling like I know what you're about to do here 100 % you know not a shameless plug, but like I literally write I wrote a book It's coming on October where it's all about it's called read your mind And it's not me telling you how to be a mentalist because 99 .9 % of people don't want to guess a first crush not useful to you in your life But what if you could read people more effectively to help you in your life at home at work in relationships That is a quantifiable thing that the tools of a mentalist when not used for entertainment, but in life day to day are Extraordinary for sure.

1:42:14Yeah. Yeah. I mean you must be Great at all kinds of things because of this. I don't know Anything dealing with human beings right negotiating. Oh, I'd imagine I've never sold a property at a loss Let's just say that it's been pretty good so far You get in there. You're like I won't take a dollar or less. I'm like I know you will. I know you will That's funny That's funny what a weird skill to have right what's a good book a good book treat on this Well on becoming a mentalist or And then any of these skills like what did you start with do you remember the book you started with do mean If you want to learn how to do you remember the book that you started with when you first started learning this stuff So the first book I started reading was a book called 13 steps to mentalism But man is it gonna be tough for most people because it was written in the 1920s So it's kind of like you know, it's like watching an old movie no offense to old movies But I'm like oh, it's hard to get into this with my attention span now because it's antiquated Some of it still applies, but you have to really do a big reach to know.

1:43:13How do I apply this? Because back then there were no TVs or no phones. There's no It's just that's what I started with but I had to learn the hard way So much of what I do now is it again, I told you is I don't really do what other people do because I don't have explain it's They create different right if if if you were building a house and you have all these tools You're gonna build using your tools does that does that make sense? So I've got this set of tools I knew a hammer does this I do that I create with the house already built So my vision again and why what's been a differentiating feature is I build with that person at the end in mind And I already know what the house is gonna be I know what the memory I know what you're gonna say like CNBC do you ever watch that channel?

1:43:56I try not to So CNBC Fox business are financial channels I have been on those channels dozens of times How many other mentalists or magicians have ever been on them? zero Why is that because it's unusual that's the serious network? Why do you put me on because I do stuff around the markets and so if you're watching it You buy in because my stuff is about stock market interest rates all stuff and it's like this is crazy But I had to do with stuff. I know so the same thing when I do ESPN I'm creating from a different perspective than most I customize the content like when I do a corporate event I learn in and out your business and when I go up there I sneak in the medicine.

1:44:37So now You're actually your people aren't just seeing a show they're getting messaging and they're getting it in a way where they don't To now because they don't realize they're being spoken to it's mostly entertainment But boom I planted those thoughts and you leave there with you know, what's the product launch? What's this all those things are now internalized and remembered? And this 13 steps that was said was written in the 1920s. Oh fact check me, but I think it was the 20s What did this guy do what was his job? He was a mentalist? Yeah, but there were no mentalists back then there was just a few people But they was mostly they were telling you the skills of psychics.

1:45:10They were showing you how psychics did stuff And it wasn't really debunking, but they're showing you all the tools the 13 steps like what are the ways that we can Read people more effectively and what are the tricks of the trade of what we do? Right like how do you Know when someone's counting something like that right and you're counting the ladder You know because to me you might as well be playing drums Do you understand what I'm saying like if you're playing drums and I have an ear for it I can hear the beats So once you learn how to do certain things they build on top I can if you're counting letters like again Names are anywhere from three to 12 letters.

1:45:44It's not rocket science for me to figure it out And again, I can't do it in a vacuum if you turn your back and said I'm not not doing anything not again if you control the environment I can't do it as well right it goes back to that fear thing if I started messing up right now You'd be like what's getting awkward and you would pull back and I wouldn't be in control anymore So like a lot of what I'm doing is is I'm You know showing you how I can read you but also you're allowing yourself to be read right? So like when you're saying count the letters You can see me counting them I can see when your count.

1:46:18I can see when you try to throw me off the count. It's like a poker player poker player knows If you really have aces pocket aces or you have two four and you're bluffing the best ones do Hmm Which brings the question up why don't I play poker more? Yeah, why don't I play poker? It's just it's too boring like I That's a grind man. I'd rather make money doing this one and a half speed. Yeah your whole life is one and a half speed That's wild That's really interesting. I'm fascinated. No, I think I want to read one of those books I'm gonna probably get that one. I'm gonna send you one. I'll try and find a better one Well, that's interesting too because I want to I want to read the origins I want to read it like when it first started out like what was it like in 1920 like what did he learn and where did he learn it Is it yeah 50s or so?

1:47:03Oh 19 well, it's also not known. He was the guy So he's born in the 1930. Oh, I screwed this up. It was 1920 So no the other ones 13 steps. There's another one by theater and he did not make his birthplace public Oh, you fucking sneaky bitch. He's a sneaky bitch He's a first medteless and he's sneaky Those believed to have been Millhill suburb of London for unknown reasons. He renamed himself Tony Cornita Corinda, Corinda so he's born Thomas William Simpson and he renamed himself for some reason Tony Corinda a variation the surname Conrady When he began working as a mentalist in 1950 open up a shop where he sold all manner of stage magic goods But catered especially to mentalists later took over the magic shop on Oxford Street This shop was at street level and thus catered mainly to the regular public so that many of the items sold were either practical jokes or beginners tricks But items for semi professional magicians and hobbyists were also sold around the same period Corinda had the magic concession In hambley's toy shop on region street interesting So the book 13 steps to mentalism was in 1961 So he wrote a series of 13 booklets on mentalism between 56 and 58 Each one dealing with a different aspect of mentalism or allied art Interesting I'm getting you a copy.

1:48:25I am I buy it. What's is it is it reprinted or is it one of those? No, it's definitely reprinted and see it's it's since become a viewer of the essential mentalism reference book But again, you're gonna have a big problem because you're gonna read that book and if you make it through to the end Which god bless you if you can you're gonna be like yeah, but how the hell did you do all this stuff? It's not gonna you're gonna get to the end of it and been like so it's that's baby steps and then you've got Yeah, get to the next level. I'm sure I'm not thinking I'm gonna get all the information from that But I'm curious is to like what the origins of it was like how did this guy devise these things like how did he figure it out?

1:48:57So it's again people with psychics want to believe anyone who's in that room who paid that money to hear psychic has someone They've lost and they want something with them because there's you know, do you believe in any psychic powers at all? So again, I'm not like a debunker Because I I'm kind of like agnostic in this thing, which is I just believe what I've seen so far and in a lot of instances I've never personally experienced something that I couldn't explain yet But a lot of people have told me their experiences. Have you heard of the telepathy tapes? Yeah, so that I know you had her in here, but that's have you watched the videos.

1:49:32I mean come on. Yeah, that's wild No, no, I'm the opposite. I do not think that's real. Oh, yeah. Oh really? No, why? Well, tell me about what the videos so can we show the videos? Well, I don't know if you've got the paywall again I don't want to controversial, but we've seen their holding in many instances in that form of communication The person knows the information is holding the letters Do you understand what I'm saying? So right now if I had shown you a word And you're either touching somebody right if you could get do you know what a two person code act is? No So do put person code act is like a mentalist thing with two people There's a few that are the best in the world Avocents Mine to mine in Dubai like a few really good ones who've done this and what they do is they can be blindfolded in a different area And anything you hand to them anything you say the other person knows it No electronics.

1:50:23No nothing They just look at your credit card and they'll guess the credit card numbers And what the way that's being done is they're communicating to each other based on pauses based on like a million ways that you can't think of it's the best code act ever Without speaking and you'll watch it and you'll be like there's no way they're communicating but they are And so it looks like telepathy, but it's not you get them in the room of scientists. You'll fool every scientist under the sun What they're doing is like not bulletproof at all with the kids and again god bless if I had a child in that condition I for not one moment wouldn't want a solution and I would want something to know that they're not that they're in there And I could talk them and I don't want to speak out a turn but from the videos I've seen I can explain that in a minute They're they're moving things around and positioning the letters if you do a double blind study where the person does not know the word That they're trying to communicate.

1:51:11I'm even saying psychic just don't tell them the word the person holding it And only show the word to the person who should be saying it right If you're the autistic child show them the words so they're I see it And then have them type that word in and do that for me 9 out of 10 times and they've not been able to do that. That's not even psychic That's just show the me that you can type the word in that you saw and so when you do like a deep dive on that it's been She offered to have someone come in with their parent and do that would you do that with us? Sure So you could like I don't want to take anyone's I don't want to anyone's hope away I'm a parent and like again.

1:51:48I don't think they're making money on it and I like no I'm very I don't like to again when you ask me psychics There's people had real deep experiences and who is it for me to take that away But when I watch that and you're like talking to somebody who's a pro at doing this same as psychics I can see exactly how that's done But what did you think about their ability to read languages that they've never studied? So again, you're missing it so that's again the devil's in the details. Okay. It's the memory what you remember of the story Show me how they did that Well did either of the people there present know that language who was doing it And how was that being communicated to the end person who's moving the board around know what the meaning of the word was Do you understand I mean?

1:52:29Yes, so like again, you're hearing the the cliffs notes the end edition Watch the video and show me something that I can't there was nothing I saw in that special or that in that Telepathy tape in the videos that I couldn't readily explain really that's correct interesting very interesting So could it be right? Yes, I'm not saying it's not I'm not again They could be 100 % right and I could be 100 % wrong hubris right I haven't been in the room with them. I'm judging simply from videos. I've seen but As someone who is for a living Pretending to read people's minds, but I'm actually reading people I can see how it's being done the method.

1:53:07It's kind of like a casino boss I see how that person's cheating when they're playing cards right because I know all the cheating methods interesting Um The other thing that they said does these kids all have this area that they go to called the hill yep They go to their met what do you think of that? So again, I heard it. It was unbelievable like the podcast was incredible I don't know I don't like I You know, I've heard psychics tell me people tell me I saw psychic and how do you know that my friend died after we saw a grateful dead concert and did I'm like well I don't I'm seeing a lot of stuff on you that looks grateful dead vibes like like if I told you that you're a big Roger Waters fan You'd be like how did you know that right now?

1:53:42So if everyone not looking you're wearing a pink Floyd shirt like right you can you can Figure out a lot of stuff based on cold reading. I can see What's the wear on your wedding band? How do you behave water certain things when do you pause at a certain moment about certain things Did you lose someone I can tell instantly if you're having a feeling of emotion like Anyone good at this and not even great, but like good can notice a lot of things like a psychic just watches you So you can kind of tell like what a person's done that day I well, I think you can get like you can guide them to what you want Which is when you get a hit right think of that game when your kid hot cold you hide stuff right your brother sister Looks around they go cold cold.

1:54:22Do you think I woke up early today or late? I don't know There's no on demand featured in the show. There's no you woke up early though. Really? Yeah, why I think that I don't know just based on what you said it Hmm nope nope good. I got it wrong I'm happy you'll be like we screwed this guy finally we got those and it was at the 50 50 Oh, yeah, that was just a random coin flip. Yeah, that was you know, we'll do a coin flip before I leave Okay Who has coins anymore? I brought one coin. I heard that there's a penny that's in circulation. It's worth millions of dollars I heard that too. Yeah, that wheat penny.

1:54:54Yeah, the wheat on the side of my buddy Lewis house had I saw that on my socially found one really I think so whoa It's fucking super about millions. I'd be like give me that wheat penny. That's crazy. Penny worth millions Um, okay, so what's in the um the one that's sealed that package? No, that's that's nothing That was gonna I was gonna get it out, but I'll do it later. It's a gift. No, no, it's something silly Why do I not believe you? No, I swear. I swear. I thought I would have it out, but now You thought you'd have it out, but you don't want to have it out Not the right fit. What do you mean?

1:55:29No, I was gonna do something you had a lot of books here and I thought we get a book But like yeah, I don't think I'm gonna do it Just doesn't feel right. No, what feels wrong self -curate. I don't know. It's it's not gonna work It's not you gotta go on insects not gonna work. It's not gonna work. Nope What was the goal to get it to work? You could say it now since we're not gonna do it The goal to get it to work was I thought I had some sort I thought I know if I get you to get a book We have less books in this room. We have books in that room. I just I don't know I brought it in. I always have a backup plan plan a bc and this one's not meant for this one This one might be if I ever come back and do another.

1:56:01Okay, JRE. We'll put it in the safe. Okay. Okay. Do it Okay, that's a great idea. Yeah, put in the safe. Put in the safe. I'll never touch it again Won't touch it either. Let's make sure that we know it's sealed You know, we did a cocaine. You're in big trouble. No, we should get a wax seal. Yeah, you know like Game of Thrones style. Let's do it. Let's do it I love that show great show. Yeah, we can't play this I found one of the tapes that someone put on YouTube Do you want to it's only a one minute? All right. Let's watch it for us. Let's watch it for us We can't play it because it's copyright.

1:56:33Okay, if you right now got the best two person codec in the world in here They would do nothing She would literally be in another she could be a hundred feet away behind this person's back because she's touching doing Touching moving. I mean Like those are for letters you only have 26 options. Do you have any idea what this is right there? Somebody effective right now just this right now and pausing and before they say a word could have given you a full credit card number Right, she's kind of moving him a little bit moving him If you could if you can how do you compress data right like if you do hexadecimal or ASCII You could take a 16 digit number and break it down into three Latter so you see them with the the Martian.

1:57:13Yes great movie right yeah other math Damon reference. Yeah, love math Damon by the way Has he been on here no such a good dude? Yeah, I talked to somebody about getting them on like he was gonna reach out We're gonna do it eventually. I'm sure I love that guy. Yeah, yeah, that I'm a couple times love him as nice as you'd expect So if you can in that movie in the Martian He didn't know how to send data because he only had the camera So he shows a thing where he figured out how to take and compress big things into small What's the easiest way you can make it very small so you can send information in a certain way again?

1:57:40I don't want to blow in his cover, but there is absolutely when I see that I know exactly how it's being done But I don't know if she's doing it on purpose. I think they've just learned each other's rhythms and that's an agent Oh, okay, you know like you gotta have her in a different room right right right read my mind read my mind through a door Haven't they done stuff in a different room though didn't she kite against and she said I'd in particular that another magician actually told me that they had a issue watching note that particular kids videos They thought that those two were doing something funny.

1:58:09Yep clearly But that's right the other videos. I don't know. They're behind a paywall. You have to get to them That's it. That's the sneaky biz is everyone that sees the paywall I had a couple sent to me and I'm like because people asked me this and they were like, what do you think man? And I listened to all the tapes. I thought it was amazing It got a little wild at the end if you got to the end like the hill in that and you want to believe who doesn't want to believe that There's psychics amongst us and especially kind of like the superhero story of all These are kids who nobody thought was in there and they're really in there and they're communicating with each other It's I mean, so it's essentially you're saying that instead of psychic energy There's a sense of like a kind of micro communication You know what and there's people want to believe and so you kind of confirmation bias looking at the evidence You want to believe Kai Dickens clearly wanted to believe just super simple Have a mentalist and maybe a scientist involved and a mentalist is better than a scientist because scientists So they could watch me and they'll be like I don't know how he's doing it right?

1:59:06We're designed we're literally it's like get a card sheet to beat other card sheets right so get me involved Yeah, and then let's do the same thing and I'm gonna say here the three things I need you to do different And I'm not gonna say how you doing it, but do it with these three things and if you do that I'm convinced Okay, we might have to set this up. Yeah I wonder if it's one problem is is that exact there's very little to gain from that and then also we got bad energy in the room Right, that's the whole thing you ever see when uri geller was debunked by the amazing Randy on Johnny Carson And he couldn't bend the spoons and I can't do it with him here.

1:59:39He's got bad energy It's not and it's like you know, is it bad energy or is this a guy who knows how you're bending the spoons And so every time you're about to do a move he's like a S .O .B. He was like stop right there. Don't move your hand Keep the spoon right there. Don't no no don't look away look. It's like it's like my nightmare I had a guy show me how to do the spoons. Yeah, we had a guy demonstrate magic and he'll talk to trade how to do this one Yeah, and it was like a different kind of spoon. It wasn't a regular spoon. No, no you could do a real spoon I could do the spoon. Yeah, yeah, you could bend it with your mind.

2:00:07I mean again, I don't want to knock it But that's more of a it's not really it's not a psychic power that falls more into the category of a magic trick. Oh You're misdirecting people you're doing something else where I'm not really bending a spoon with my mind. There's not supernatural powers involved. I can't lie to you and say that I'm doing it in such a way where you don't know the method And it's layered but it's sure gonna look like it's bending by itself, but it's not this guy was saying that's a kind of metal That as he moves his hand around he heats it up. Yeah, I just lie in to you Damn motherfucker.

2:00:41He lied because he didn't want to tell me how he does. No, yeah Damn it. Yeah, got me again. Got you You must enjoy getting people though I love people I like and your face when you're accurate is really fun to watch I hope it's it's contagious, but I enjoy watching reactions. Yeah, clearly. That's the rush right? Yeah You're not love laughs of course. Yeah, you ever go into a room and nobody's laughing and you just bomb and you just eat it It's like not fun. How often do you bomb anymore? Oh new jokes bomb. So you'll bomb for chunks Your bomb and segments, you know, you have to figure out how a bit works and sometimes you try a bit in a way like in the middle Like, oh, this is not the way and then you have to kind of just And you're doing a lot of sets at the mothership.

2:01:27I see yeah, yeah, yeah, and how much do you get allowances? What's the clock for being Joe Rogan before it's like oh no, let's just see if you're funny as a person Where does that end you gotta be funny pretty quick people yeah people are good for like a minute Yeah, they're happy to see you for like a minute It's only a minute, huh? It did not much time man Jerry Seinfeld talked about that once He's like being famous buys you about 30 seconds. Oh, I thought it's more that's what he said no Now, especially on a night filled with like really top notch comedians right killers is the mothership every night It's all a bunch of killers.

2:02:01So you gotta be but that's also why we do it that way, you know The one thing that's really bad for comedians is when they start only doing their crowds So like they do it on the road and they do large places and then they have the same opening act over and over again So they never challenged right yeah, that that makes people soft 90 % of the time. Yeah, I made that number up Yeah, 95 but it's like a high number, you know, because you get soft right? Yeah, I did this is funny So I used to go to the comedy seller. I told you I love comedy like a fish and how to I lived in the village for I don't Years and this is pre kids a lot more time hands We used to go to the seller when you could get in the seller like that now good luck right and we would see just everybody over and over and I think you add them on Mike Vecchione sure so good me great God so great guy Amazing super fun and he went on on a night where it was just like dropping dropping dropping and he had to follow Seinfeld and Seinfeld goes on and just hammers it and then Mike Vecchione comes on and you know the bathroom in the seller Mm -hmm, right?

2:03:08Which is about the size of like a quarter of this table Well, you're touching arms when you're taking a leak next to some dude I went in there and I was quite drunk and I'll never forget this I've worked with Mike since and I was telling him dude you probably don't remember me But I was such a drunk idiot and we were touching arms while we're peeing and I always felt bad about some so drunk I'm like dude forget Seinfeld you killed it You're like stop talking to me while we're peeing dude I crossed that threshold and I tried to ask him I'm like because we did a gig together and he opened for me and I was like do you is there any sheets you remember Like dude so many drunk idiots have been next to me at the seller telling me stuff I'm like the night where you drop you know that that trying to see if you remember it right and I want to apologize for it Because I felt so bad and then like I was talking to you all your piss in and dude.

2:03:49I just loved you so much And he forgot you didn't even know this moment you know how we drug it but I'm like I've been holding this weight for a while Mike and I'm a big fan And I'm sorry I talked to you while we both at our dicks out It's not okay. It's not okay. There's a line in the sand that I have just crossed brother That's hilarious and he forgot about it. It's really no dude I'm just like when I have gigs where people come back to me and three years later like dude Do you remember this thing and I go of course I do yes? No most of the most of the time you don't remember you try I remember the best in the worst man I remember like I remember some moments where I've bombed so bad that it is seared in your DNA You know that feeling oh yeah, and it's usually ones where you're not to blame But the buck stops here.

2:04:36Mm -hmm. You know, I'm saying like the setup is terrible outdoor gig I had one where God it was like the town of Charlotte or some some town hired me some city and I had to Insert all these data points about the city and we're like normally we do two or three things I will mention two or three things in the course of a show and if it's 10 minutes forget it It's I don't want to be a salesperson up there people tune out if they're like what are you selling me something right now? Right and I had to say eight or nine things about the town of was it Charlotte and They at the last moment we do dress rehearsal go by the way we're all dressing as genies And we're gonna have a life -sized genie lamp on stage and it's gonna start doing smoke while you're doing this I'm like I don't really like any of these things, but I was newer to show up as I'm like I go with it the whole time I'm on stage the smoke is going Like at a hundred percent we're coughing.

2:05:25It's going terrible. I can't see the person whose mind I'm reading I'm sweating. I'm trying to talk about the Billy Graham Museum I'm dying a slow death up there. I get two things in a row wrong And you know if you bomb your opener and your closer like you're dead I left apologizing you never want to leave a stage of they somehow still loved it I don't even know how but I I sweat it through that suit I was like I you know when you question what you're doing in life. Yeah, that was like a quote I'm like maybe I'm not supposed to be doing this well also you probably say okay never doing that kind of set up again Kind of but me I'm more catastrophized and I'm like yeah, I should just be done But then I came back I came back I picked myself up To yeah, funny enough tomorrow's my my my one of my daughters fifth birthday and I'm doing a show at school for five year olds Oh, wow, yeah, man.

2:06:17I gotta get back But uh sweetheart. This is like the sweet spot where they still think I'm cool Before I'm gonna be like don't do this in embarrasses dad right and last year for my oldest son who was at the time I just turned eight I did his school second graders and do date me alive Because I I'm not doing this like this is you know my sweet spot is mentalist right I had to brush off The dust of my kids show which I haven't touched in like 25 years. Thank God. I'm not doing kids shows anymore No offense to kids show magicians, but like that that ship is sailed and man second graders are ruthless really ruthless Why second graders?

2:06:52I don't know man like like one kid I I Finish this show okay, and during the show my wife is in the room recording I'm like don't record don't record and I had I had to like look at my wife at one point and I'm whispered Because one kid's like it's in your hand show me that show me that and I'm like dude Shut up, and I'm not good at it. I'm not I haven't done it in a while right so I'm just bombing on tricks And thankfully 95 % of the crowd actually liked it. It was just these two kids who just got me When I went home one of my neighbors saw me and he goes to me goes oh my god What's wrong are you okay because my face was like ash and white he thought somebody died and I'm like dude I don't I don't you know, I don't even know what to say right now like I maybe I shouldn't be doing this I had to at one point tell the teacher.

2:07:37I'm like I'm actually like I'm actually do this for a living I'm really trying to flex. I'm like I have an Emmy like I want to let them know I'm not actually this bad like I Lary yeah, that's hilarious Do you think comedy is kind of a bit of hypnotizing people? Oh, yeah the best comedians You the pacing the rhythm like I was watching the time Segras special this morning I don't how well you know is me to I mean you know well But like he had a bit about flying first class. Do you remember that one? I don't oh he talks about I don't think he's using this material anymore The fact that he gets upgraded he buys coach tickets is early was years ago and he gets upgraded so much that he gets first class Tickets and he go should I not say this bit?

2:08:25I don't know if I want to say this bit and he goes it literally the moment I get upgraded this feeling of superiority washes over me right where I'm like don't when people walk you don't look at me You poor piece of shit like he's just so it goes I dare you if you're in coach to try to use my bathroom If I'm in the front I will put my hand on your chest bro It's I've seen that a hundred times and it's just is funny if not funny or every time I watch it and it's like the timing the rhythm I I learned more from comedy than ever magic or mentalism way more interesting because we've talked about it a bunch Combo something like I think we're hypnotizing people because I feel hypnotized when someone's killing when someone's killing I'm allowing them to think for me.

2:09:04Yep, you're like they're taking me on a ride and I'm just I'm not thinking at all about what would I say what would I I'm just in their head or They're in my head Right and also when you bring someone along and when you have that like just you drop just amazing line like Just there's so many I mean listen. I consume so much comedy, but like I love watching the rhythm Seeing where people go with it the people that are more short form like punch delivery mm -hmm right versus like a long form like a Nate bark. God see like watching Andrew do his things sholes amazing Man some of these guys are just like you can't see where the joke is gonna come and how you just Squeeze every bit of juice out of the orange and the good callbacks I think that ultimate hypnotist is David tell yeah, yeah, David cuz David there's a real Them there's a rhythm to way done.

2:09:52It's like you just get lost in his thinking right and he just takes you on the tree So effortless and He does so many sets like he's so polished that there's like this effortlessness to his movements and the rhythm and everything It's like it's wild Paul I like Sebastian men a scalco. I'm freaking love watching Sebastian There's so many there's so many people that came up now that I've seen like over and over and over and over And just watch them go up like Sam are really been a fan of for years It was actually the first guy to recommend you to me. I love Sebastian. I love you Sebastian. Yeah, was there anyone else after that?

2:10:26A couple of people told me you were awesome nice quite a few no Sebastian's such a stand -up guy this friend of mine when I told him That's the chain gill says isn't it? Yeah, you just thought it you shouldn't let down your guard. I just knew it How'd you know I just that was it that was the moment what did you see I can't tell you? I'm right when you said this friend of mine I knew I knew you're gonna protect your parks and I said could it have been Ari could have been Mark and I immediately knew It was gonna be Shane gills because neither of those two would have said definitely not Mark would have said kill him He's a witch.

2:10:53He's I just knew it. Yeah, that's Shane That's such a sense of humor too. He's a witch kill him. Yeah, that's so Shane. That's so Shane Yeah, that was a little bit of a giveaway because I said it was my friend. Yep That was the giveaway that was a giveaway because I didn't tell you it's someone that I know you said a hundred percent So now I'm thinking like he must live in Austin like there was a lot of a lot of indicators. Yeah Whatever but that's part of the thing right, but that's also you admitting that this isn't like Supernatic I'm not psychic so everybody when people put me on the spot and like tell me this right now I literally go.

2:11:33It's not Netflix. No on demand feature like I again That's where these skills when people like why don't you win the lottery? Why don't you like all these things that are silly where you don't get what I do apparently? Do you believe that there is any sort of psychic power that people have like when when someone gets a phone call from someone They're just thinking about intuition right. I think there's I think there's I mean listen That's like a bigger picture question like a you know Where does your mind expand like psychedelics like where where what is there beyond this plane? Right clearly?

2:12:06You know people are aware of there's a silly to think but How do you kind of get on that frequency? There's no question that people have an intuition again. Can I call it psychic powers? I've had things happen that I can't explain to you based on the skills I have That makes sense what I've guessed things from people where I didn't do the normal way I do it Do you understand what I mean like I don't have a there's a series of steps on how I do it kind of like a chess player Okay, you get a chess player you get Magnes Carlson you get the best chess player in the world They can literally blindfold play 30 people and I'm like how do you how do you how you doing that right?

2:12:39That's like magic to me, but you're keeping track of all that stuff in your mind and you're doing stuff that is Indistinguishable from real magic in my opinion, but you've hyper focused on one skill That's what I've done you just think it's a lot of skills what I've focused on is one thing is Assessing what people are thinking and what they give away that they don't think they're giving away That's all I just guess secret information for a living But to make it exciting and retaining I add bells and whistles and make it interesting otherwise be boring How many mentors are out there like is there a community guys you share notes?

2:13:11Sure, so I there's like a I wouldn't call it a brain trust But there's people I bounce ideas off of when I'm creating kind of like you punch up jokes where there Here's what's rare in our world. There's creators and then there's performers Do you know what I'm saying like writers and it's like singer songwriters how many people have there are songs written for them Right some of the biggest stars in the world right and how many are like Taylor Swift style where you write it and this and you get a piece of you in it Yeah, and there's something about when you write your own song I'm not knocking people don't write their own song, but there's something that you feel different right do you know what I mean?

2:13:45Which explains the connection Taylor Swift has to her fans I believe so because you're getting a piece of you that somebody else can't I'm sure that just a random pop star that gets like some Factory you'll still like it like I couldn't love a back to boy song don't get me wrong Like it's I wanted that way, Joe But like when you are with her and I'm sure like Jack ants not she's a huge amazing crew of writers that I'm sure get things out of her And I know a lot of like music producers, but you feel some connection So what again, I think it's different she's a lot of mentalist, but it's a really small number that are the singer song The creator performer who who have the thoughts and are constantly doing new stuff Because we are a cover band most mentalists are a cover band of other mentalists We don't need to do new stuff right you could literally do the same thing This is pretty amazing.

2:14:35I could do this for the next 40 years and make a good living God bless and why do new stuff like when Louis CK was popping out three specials a year I'm like, you know why you doing this to all the rest of us. You're so creative You don't have to in our profession. You really don't have to because you don't have to bury material Right if I'm not putting stuff online if I'm not going like Crowd work the Matt Rife model who by the way, I love that guy, but like It changed the game now if you want to blow up on social you've got to be doing this or do current events do Topical do things you can burn mm -hmm, but I can't put my real act out there right right right, so but you enjoy the creative aspect I love it.

2:15:13I find it boring if I keep doing the same stuff of course. I'm yeah, I'm bored right right and I get like sad Right, but it's it's interesting because like I wonder how many people you can bounce ideas off of it seems like you're kind of a lone wolf Like in that world. I don't think there's I mean there's a lot of comedians like I could call a lot of comedians right now Right bounce an idea off of there's way less mentalists and there's way more magicians and then of the group of Mentalists if you were to do the core one and again, this is not subjective I'm much more like objected the way we looked at names how many of them have done Certain volume of TV appeared certain volume of views like which ones are getting the attention of the world and the zeitgeist It's a very very small number because you got to innovate right?

2:15:56This is like an attention economy you have to do stuff that's compelling to the viewer and for me I don't think about myself the trick in life. I think about who's watching mm -hmm Well, that's what do you mean by it's a trick in life? Well, I like it helps you in everything in life, right? My secret sauce is that I hold the mirror up not to myself, but to you do you get it like when you're watching and you're watching a football thing Right What's intriguing is the fact that your football viewer if you're meeting somebody you want to be memorable learn more about them Start listening more like I'll tell you story.

2:16:30I met Steven Spielberg I did Steven Spielberg's dad's birthday and I got in that room. Have you met Steven Spielberg? No, and I'm like you know a crazy fan like I can't explain to you how many movies he had as a kid that were Life -changing I'm like dude close encounters third -kind like yeah, he's one of the greatest of all time ever Yeah, and so I'm in the room. I've done stuff for his family This is not like a big blowout corporate event It's like 80 people hope he doesn't mind sharing this and and it was great time amazing and at the end of it I'm like getting some FaceTime with Spielberg Right and I walk up to him and we spent almost 20 minutes talking to each other which is like I Didn't expect that I thought I'd be like oh great, you know, do you know how many questions?

2:17:12I had a million questions Jim many questions I asked him how many zero really zero and that's like right there I learned a lesson in life that applies to everything that's why he's Steven Spielberg He is naturally curious this guy wealthy beyond belief stories beyond like he could make it ego driven and he could have been telling me Oh this and I would have been a hanging on my every word, but instead He wanted to know more about me and he kept asking me what I was like Just pause dude. I have like a lot of questions Like come on and so I Learn and I could have just left that and been like I didn't get any questions in with Steven Spielberg instead I realized this is the person at the highest level of what he does and he is naturally curious and he lets other people shine And this is something to do in life Right, which is you don't know when you meet somebody who they'll be or what they'll be or what can I'm not doing it from a Transactional sense, but why I've had so many TV be here appearances is when I go into a place I'm gonna do stuff for the security guard.

2:18:08I'm gonna do something for the person who irons my shirt I'm gonna leave that place like a bomb went off of amazement where everyone around there now likes you And you don't know when they'll jump ship to another network to another thing and if they like you Sales 101 they're gonna want to keep doing business with you Mm -hmm, and so those people become your champions elsewhere and that's kind of a lesson where he could have talked about himself the whole time He didn't So I should neither when you go to other places let other people shine and that's something I've carried with me and I think that's a superpower in life that most people don't do they think what am I gonna say next?

2:18:42Right, that's kind of the key to running a good podcast too because you really want to extract the most out of the person possible Right where you just want that my questions are basically just try to get you Expand and I would just want to find out how you think right and for Spielberg a guy who deals and all these Stories and narratives and all these characters and heroes to meet a unique character like yourself It's probably really fascinating to him too because he's probably like I don't know anybody like this right, you know like what are you doing? How you doing like and now now he's got like a new tool in his toolbox?

2:19:16Tore it because he's got you right like this, you know You have the spectrum of Possibilities in terms of like the humans that you meet and then you meet one that's outside of that like oh I hadn't even considered you before right what do you wear house who the fuck are you? That was pretty much the question And then he had like he but he was interesting because I don't know if you get this but I get like X like the 20 questions Is what I call it? Which is how did you get into this like this is the opening questions which you can't blame someone if you got a weird job Right People want to hide about it right like some of your family do this like there's all these questions You're gonna get every time God bless people.

2:19:54I don't hold it against them mine is always I'm doing like a sound check for a gig And then there was like all right, so we got this we got this and I go don't you know that we have that like Like I'm like, okay, so just real quick. Where's the green room like you don't know already? I'm like okay, this is I just smile and I'm like, you know, I never heard that one before but it's It's you get that yeah, but in this situation Again, it's like he he didn't ask those questions. He was very uniquely finding ants questions that weren't like the usual Of course because a study I mean he studies humans right I mean to be a great filmmaker the way he is to do shinlers less to do That's that's such a heavy movie man.

2:20:35Have you seen that recently? Private Ryan. Yeah, he's got heavy movies and then you know close encounters There's one of my favorite movies of all time. I mean the It's interesting you know one of the things I really liked about that movie is he after became a father Changed how he felt about the ending of his own movie. He wouldn't have the father leave everybody. Oh wow Yeah, because the end of the movie Richard Drifers his character gets on the spaceship and leaves the aliens Wow, he's like I would never do that. I didn't know that. Yeah, do they film it or no? Well, he it was after the fact like you know He made the movie I believe when he was younger and he didn't have children and then as time went on You know he looked back on it like oh god I would never leave my kids to go on this fucking UFO right nor would I nor would you no no like but in This idealistic version of who he thought the Richard Drifers character was and the circumstances like he had to leave He had to go you got to go with the aliens like sure.

2:21:31So I'll get my phone out and trying to get good footage for a change I'm like right here good stuff I like the tic -tac and gimbal, but I want to see it close up in high -deaf. I know you got anything Nothing I have off air what I think are people bullshit. Oh, I you don't have to be off air I've watched these I can read people I can tell on on air where the snake oil is but Here's it. I that's where it's instinctive like I don't have the tools that you have but there's a part of me that's like Something smells I told Jamie when I walked in here and I said this is again Passed the sniff test and part of my friends, but everyone takes a crap right everyone the world I don't care if you're the pope you take a crap.

2:22:10So if they're being held in a facility Someone's taking craps right and who's cleaning it? I don't think the scientists are there's a janitor There's someone in that room. So are you telling me that there's nobody in there that's got a 401k Health insurance some sort of how is someone not getting Tell me explain to me what NDA they're signing or what they're doing that if they found this out someone loose lip Synchips somebody would have told somebody who works in that facility who's not the scientist who's not the military person and Word gets out. How is that buttoned up tight where nothing gets out ever?

2:22:44Well for 50 years you're telling me there's a basement somewhere in this country Eight stories down where they got those things and no one else knows who's credible and can release it how Occam's razor. What do you think I think the government can keep things secret for a long time? I think they did with the Manhattan project I think they've done it with other projects in the past. I think it's possible You think it's silo. It's just silo. Nobody knows all the info because people do talk There there's a lot of people talking and people share similar stories and they have for decades and I think there's something to it I just don't know what it is.

2:23:19I think you know we had Jesse Michaels on yesterday who has this amazing show on YouTube probably the best YouTube show on aliens and UFOs and UAPs and he's Very agnostic in his thinking and he's very objective and he also is very very very thorough as far as his understanding of the information And even he is baffled As much as he knows but he knows more about siloed technology than pretty much anybody does in in regard to this UAP phenomenon right any points to this guy Thompson Brown who was working on gravity Technology in the 1950s that they were They had working models like they they he thinks that they have some sort of a gravity propulsion device But then there's things like Roswell Where the crash like if all those stories are true.

2:24:13That's too early. It's 47. There's too early There's no way they had working models of these these devices back then so he thinks It's possible, you know, he's not a I know this is true He thinks it's possible that it is both United States government secret projects that people are seeing And there's probably quite a few of them We actually pulled a few of them up and showed some of them that look like UFOs that probably Is part of what people are seeing But he thinks is also probable that there's some other things And these other things could be from anywhere and then there's just the Fermi paradox like if they're all out there Where are they there's so many planets there's so many galaxies?

2:24:51Well, that's that's got to be the case. It has to be the case It's the question of whether or not they have visited or whether or not they're here right? You know, and then there's just like weird peruvian mummies that we went over that these try dactyl mummies that they take Cat scans of and you see the tissue and the bones and You know they they were all found and what is it called? What's the kind of earth? But they found that these things are the die something Do you remember what is where they were all dried out? I know the I know exactly which is the description, but I don't remember the word something earth I know the word.

2:25:30I can't it's it's escaped me right now All this stuff's very fascinating so fascinating ancient on depictions on cave walls of these things And we pulled up these tapestries or a thousand years old that had these three fingered creatures Very weird very weird, but that doesn't necessarily doesn't mean they're alien right? You know we talked to We talked rather about um all the various versions of human beings that they're finding now You know from Denisovans to the island of flores hobbit people that there's like these There's a weird variety of humans that went extinct right and these try dactyl things could very well have been that Yeah, you had it was Christopher Melanon right and I that was my favorite one Yeah, because he had I think I don't want a butcher but I think he called it ultra terrestrial it makes the most sense which is Think about right now if you just drop the bottle in the ocean Right, what are the odds you ever run into that bottle in the oceans impossible?

2:26:24That's what time is if we've been around for 13 billion years sure there's aliens But how do you we've only been around for a few thousand like it's such an infant it's it's a grain of sand in the whole beach So what if you what would you do right now if we had technology a thousand years from now two thousand years from now right? AI multiply it out the whole nine What would you do you'd send these things everywhere? Sure Just like sci -fi and you'd plant them and you'd come out every now and again and check what's up sure So that's I don't I don't mind likely as things I don't think there's any biological beings or aliens I think you've just got automated drones in essence That are running patterns that have some sort of a like I don't know that makes way more sense It certainly could be that I mean that's what we're doing currently on Mars right and it's what we do with you know Probes you know with James Webb telescope a lot of different things that we use we just send a machine out and get information from it And then also I think at a certain point in time we're being realistic about what we're doing right now We're going to have biological beings and then we're going to have Some kind of digital being we're going to have some sort of a whether it's Whether it's an actual physical robot or whether it's just an artificial intelligence That's a signal that we can send and you know it has enough compressed information where it can compute and calculate and do it It's a technology beyond our wildest wildest dreams is a thousand years away from that right But a thousand years away we have a god Right, so what would if you extrapolate where we're at now with quantum computing and the ability to calculate things that if you turn the entire universe every molecule of the universe into a computer it would take you so much time according to Mark and Drieson that the universe would die of heat death Before it could solve an equation that a quantum computer can solve in minutes right This is we're talking about nuts.

2:28:15No, it's crazy and this is just 2025 stuff You know if you looked at The internet from 1994. It's like archaic 14 form mode on I remember it. I remember it. I'm that generation. You know That's 31 years ago. So like what are we talking about when we're we're dealing with 31 ,000 years So conceivably a life form has existed and gone through the same stages as us without catastrophes without nuclear war without all the things that could trip us up We could be dealing with Things that are beyond our Imagination literally beyond our imagination and they're probably around us all the time I had an idea that I wondered I've always thought What if ideas are life forms right because we think of life as being it has to breathe the rest of cells and as to but Everything in this room and everything in this city and everything on this planet that's a man -made physical object came out of an idea And the ideas compound upon each other that you know the more people working on these ideas the more competition the more the ideas were flourished And the more the ideas will be more complex and And more efficient versions of this idea like It has but it has to start as a creative thought inside someone's head And either a creative thought that you can apply to existing creative thoughts or a completely unique one like Francis Crack or you know when they're Figuring out certain aspects of biology or certain aspects of The quantum field whatever they're doing that's come that's a breakthrough thing like where is that coming from right coming from an idea Yeah And then these ideas they manifest itself in physical form through human labor Well, it's shorting there's cat right does it happen if you don't observe it That's the weird thing about quantum physics right?

2:30:02It's completely you can't imagine it But if you don't open that box nothing's happened yet. It hasn't happened until you observe it right they prove that Well, that's what it gets really weird, you know when when people There's a lot of people that are deciding now that to approach it Approach it as if consciousness is the reason these things exist Not consciousness is seeing that these things exist that they only exist when you're interacting with them Which is like what Some of the stuff when you read that like I read books about string theory about quantum physics. You just they're two It's too hard to Process in the real world when you're at the table, but the table is actually empty space Right, there's almost nothing in it solid every atom I don't even know what the the numbers are like me'll decrest ice and but how small is the nucleus and the actual physical items out of it They're empty everything's empty everything's empty and then you get to subatomic and you're like okay Well now this is just pure wizardry right yeah If they exist and they don't exist.

2:31:06This is a something Michael Jackson said about ideas start like Here Philip says we went met with Michael and Kenny said Michael you've got to stop. We've got an incredible show We don't need anymore vignettes Michael said but Kenny God channels this through me at night I can't sleep because I'm so supercharged Kenny said, but Michael we have to finish can't God take a vacation without missing a beat Michael said you don't understand if I'm not there to receive these ideas God might give them to prince Incredible Just an incredible Michael slapped one night and that's why purple rain exists. Did you know that?

2:31:43Little red Corvette was gonna have a totally different meaning with Michael Jackson isn't that crazy too soon? God might give them to prince Yeah, wow Wow, well songs are interesting like that. You know, I met last year I was in Sweden I did this conference brilliant minds amazing and I met Max Martin. Do you know who that is? No, Max Martin is you should look this up how many hits he has so Max Martin has I think more number one hits than anyone but Paul McCartney check that if I'm right But I got there. There's so many interesting people is amazing conference and I was ready to geek out with him because I'm just so curious It's the creative like how does somebody come up with something is fasting to me right and one of his recent songs was blinding lights by the weekend You know, I want just such a massive hit and I just I love that song and I just like just like perfect sounds like a movie track in my mind And how did you do that like how you know?

2:32:35Where did you start? Did you guys have a beat? Did you know the lyrics like I'm just so curious how does that happen? Is it like 10 minutes? Is it months and he just walked me through like He had a vision we have this we've like all this stuff that we sit down and then the first the music then that I'm like just wow It's so amazing to create something like that that a billion people now listen to number one in every country in the world It's like how do you manufacture something so kind of perfect that everyone in the world likes it yeah And is there for you know? It's gonna be the hit before it is the hit that to me is the most like how many bands Get stuck for the rest of their life playing a song that they freaking hate that they didn't know was gonna be there Especially if you're a one -hit wonder Yeah, you're like dead in the eyes.

2:33:17You're like I got to play this again. Yeah, I gotta you know come on I lean like I love that song you love a song and the artist doesn't want to sing anymore like oh And then they start singing in a different way at a concert You're like why you doing this weird occapelabra. I want to hear like the radio. Yeah, that's that's interesting That's kind of the difference though between musicians and anybody else because musicians you want to hear the same thing over and over Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I have that a little bit where if I get clients who book me over and over They'll I say to them do you want me to do something different because it's like jokes right?

2:33:50You know what it's like I've seen gaffing And you can do hot pockets like people call it out. I want to hear it, but you know the punch line right right Something that especially you're known for so I found that if I did a completely different show People are kind of mad like you I don't have exit surveys, but like I kind of listen in and see what's going on I wish he did that one Bon Jovi has got to do living on a prayer every gig or people are pissed For me, I need at least two of the things to be the same because people want to see if they can catch it the second time So there's a level of they heard about it and they're like oh you gotta do that thing with the thing like you know And so if I do everything new yeah, they're kind of happy, but they still want a greatest hit and it took me years to learn that because I should be like Oh, I can't do the same thing.

2:34:33I gotta be you know unique and then I learned that that's not that's not better You know, I was just thinking like Mentalists would be the best police interrogators right? Minority reports style, right? It don't you think like if someone but don't you think of a police interrogator learn the skills of being a mentalist? I think they could but again It's the best analogy that I can give you is a director holding the camera I'm always holding the camera and pointing at it what I want does that make sense? What police interrogators gonna say okay to the perp think of where you were that night look this way Look that way do you like you they're not gonna do all that stuff right?

2:35:10This is done when it's done under the guise of entertainment and if they do do that you're kind of leading the witness You could lead whatever people are gonna It's not a it's not a show So you're not gonna have a willing participant you can't be hypnotized against your will Most stage hypnotists they do compliance testing first You know what I mean by that they have everyone in the audience hold your hands together and imagine in like and like who can't get their hands apart And the person goes like this right away. They're like I'm not bringing them on stage They're not doing anything right you have to be able to be hypnotized.

2:35:41You have to be suggestible Mine isn't necessarily suggestible But mine is a maze where every time you hit a roadblock I'm moving you around until I get you to the spot where you go through and so that's why you asked me right into this It wasn't gonna work. I knew it wouldn't I have I have more things planned than you know right now Okay, I've been thinking about this for a while, but I'm not gonna do them all okay Because again, how do you structure an act you leave the best for last? You never leave you're doing the best going down the home stretch are we are we home stretched? Are we at the final moment?

2:36:10We were almost at three hours So yeah, let's go fast, huh? Fluva Remember when you asked me did I wake up early or late right the only thing I got wrong right except right Well, he said the vowel, but he thought of melody, but either why was that you know, I mean that was a little bit tricky because AI you anyway, it doesn't matter Here's what I want to do you said 50 50 coin flip okay, and I brought one You said who was coins. What do we got here a coin what is it? Can you have right yeah, all right, let's go I feel like one is not exciting enough. That's like a football game Here's what I do.

2:36:47I don't think it's seen you from over there Let's you three tosses okay statistically how many we get right Two one and a half all right either way call it in the air. Okay. Can you see me? What I meant? Try the tables real busy Okay, call it in the air tails you go in tails. Yeah, what do we get? heads all right, all right Whatever oh for one okay, you felt good about it when you did it no, okay, so you got it So I really put it in my head no do it. I mean it's a coin flip this not a trick. Okay Now it gets in your head because you guessed it and you're like I didn't work the first time But I nobody cares nothing right nuts right you ready call it in the air.

2:37:23What are you going tails you go on tails again? Yeah, you're going tails again. Yep. I can't I see I that time I would never change his head over to Mm -hmm all right all right third tries charm. Okay, you think you got it yep What are the odds on that so this got to be your shot Call it tails tails. I was going tails never fails. What do we get you? You're over three heads again You're over three you done. Nope You want one more sure you insist. Yeah, all right. You're not done. I said three. Okay, right over here Has that envelope been there the whole time? Disemble up. Yes, we sealed this right the moment I arrived at this studio right okay?

2:38:04You're gonna get it this time just for the right okay Causes tails yeah Fuck oh for four. Are you doing this? I'm not doing anything you're not making it land on heads No, but you know how to do it. I think do you have a method call it Call whatever you want tails. So did I do it you said it with what is it it's heads But that was that didn't count that's fine. I know you just bad luck. Is that five in a row? I don't really count that one that seems odd. Let's try one more To check the do it yourselves do it yourself double check what you check the still tails on there still tails okay But this doesn't count because this one's yours That's very clumsy of me Put anyway do you on table I just didn't have room on the table Stales, but did you guess tails?

2:38:50Yeah, okay, just kept going. I just got on tails. It's not a trick. It's statistic All right, but statistically five in a row of heads it seems odd. I said to you I hope everyone stayed along for this journey. I said this is your future Right, but I lied past present and future No, I'm gonna come over there open up. It's you'll see what I mean, but I don't want you to open it up There's two things in there now freeze right there. Okay Show us what you have two envelopes Well, not ones on envelope. It's kind of folded piece of paper One is a manila envelope. Is it all right if I come on is it's tape is it taped everywhere?

2:39:26Yes taped over So I'm coming over okay You want to do it can you guys hear me we're gonna open it where my is a camera here? But I have the there's a camera over there. Okay, you tell me okay. I'll go around you. I just want you to see this All right, Joe Look inside okay, I want to look inside and before you grab it no no no look look look look look okay I'm looking and tell me you see it says two words can I show this around? I just Joe Rogan It's a Joe Rogan and I don't want to touch will you do it? I don't want to grab that one. That pink one out And read to us grab that that's your pass hold on to this okay read out loud that's been in there from before we started It says Joe Rogan will get three coin flips at a row wrong insist on doing one more and then get that one wrong too The present you can't change that the past Joe take out what's in there okay tell us all look around the edges is it's stapled staples like I usually used to lick stuff Feel like do this bring this over I want to see look look look you I don't want to touch I just want you to like look around yes, please stapled is there any When I walked in here Joe I made a big thing of it.

2:40:36I said I want you to have this before right sealed It's been here the whole time sealed yes Impulsive spontaneous in the moment got it and I said you did something getting your head who earlier When I said any fighter you've ever you've ever seen what fighter came to mind I said Anderson Silver yeah And how many fighters rip it open okay how many fighters Did you say cycle through and I said be very specific how many fighters do you think cycle through your head? I don't know I said a dozen at least it's did he say a dozen with 14 you said 14 read please open that up take that out Okay, and I want you to please read what's been in there from the moment I walked on this set It's a Joe will have 14 fighters go through his head but with Anderson Silver in the end and a fight that he won Past present and future that's insane past present future the other piece of paper.

2:41:33There's one that's got literally insane Because at first I was going to go with zabit zabit magama magamab sheriff do this grab the other piece of paper It's got a paper clip freeze right there. This is the future stop stop don't hold it right there in your hands Nobody knows the future nobody knows the it's true nobody does right imagine right now best magic trick in the world boom I throw a smoke bomb right disappear disappear right Anyone ever So I'm a famous though otherwise I want to see my grandma again up here's right here instead imagine you literally I don't want Jamie do you pull up a photo you show me this person's photo got it say it who Who do you see right there in that chair say it what's their name Miles Davis can ask you a question yes, because I like this.

2:42:19I here's what I always like to do I always call it the grass is greener. I can see when people's eyes shift When they have one person and they're like I want that person, but that's the front of their mind I can always get in the front but for this to be a legendary ending who is in the back Who is the person you thought of before miles Davis tell us? Muhammad Ali right? Yeah, that's right. Look the gold standard the reason you're gonna talk about this for years Is because you changed your mind the last moment that's been in there from when I walked in here look at what's in there right now Muhammad Ali How's that possible That's insane You are which we're gonna have to kill you lock the door Jamie Bam that's really insane man.

2:43:05That's really weird I want to ask you how you do this, but you're not gonna tell me yeah off camera tell you everything you show me where Bob Lazar's hiding the UFO I wish I knew I wish I knew that's insane dude That's crazy. It was Anderson Silva versus Rich Franklin rich Franklin What a good fight what a great fight this you keep this you keep you lock in the safe for when I come next time I assume the clothes I will I'll be back. This is a really nuts man I don't know how you did it. It's really crazy the coin flip the 14 Different fighters like all of it. Thank you fucking nuts man change your bank pin code right now change it.

2:43:41Yeah. I'm going to Jesus Christ Jamie anything to add to us You should have walked off when you just the silent. We should descend it there. This is like pure wizardry dude I don't know how you're doing it Appreciate that. I don't think you're ever gonna be explained to me either Thank you. I appreciate you man. I'm a huge fan for many years And I love what you're putting out in the world and I'm telling you I just I love it And thank you so much. I'm honored to be here. Oh, it's an honor for me too. This is like truly insane I've been blown away before but I don't think I've ever been blown away this much.

2:44:14This is really nuts and It's like shattered my world view. I have to rethink how I think about everything and what signals human beings give off and like how someone could read something like that Freed nuts Thanks brother. Thank you You Appreciate that I don't think you're ever gonna be explained to me either Thank you. I appreciate you man. I'm a huge fan for many years And I love what you're putting out in the world and I'm telling you I just I love it and thank you so much I'm honored to be here. Oh, it's an honor for me too. This is like truly insane I've been blown away before but I don't think I've ever been blown away this much.

2:45:04This is really nuts and It's like shattered my world view I have to rethink how I think about everything and what signals human beings give off and like how someone could read something like that Freed nuts Thanks brother. Thank you You