#2335 - Dr. Mary Talley Bowden

26:03He took it himself. He was reporting his insane adverse side effect where he almost died. He was telling about it and they labeled him a cuck for that. What made you so awake, though? Well, that just just Malone. No, Malone, Peter McCullough. I've always been the type of person that is like, if someone is saying something and they have rock solid connect, Dr. Peter McCullough is the most published physician in his field in human history. This is a incredibly well -respected doctor up until he took a moral and ethical stand saying that this is not what they're saying. This is not what we should be doing and then destroyed.

26:51They tried to destroy his career. It's insane. But the man has incredible courage and he was labeled all I would tell people he's the most published physician in time. You'd see their eyes glazed. They didn't want to hear it. I'm like, maybe he's right. Well, five years later, we know he's right. We know he was right. He was right all along. For me, there's always a bunch of people that are ideologically or financially captured and then there's people that feel morally obligated to tell the truth. You can spot those people. When I spot it a few of them, let me hear them out. I might be the guy that goes, no, this guy is a cuck and he's going to cross people lives.

27:34Or I might be someone who goes, hey, everybody, hit the brakes. You might be getting bamboozled here. Especially the real concern with any sort of a new drug is always the side effects. But when you have indemnity, when you have complete immunity for any financial liability, like the vaccine manufacturers do. And all you have to do is label it a vaccine. Because that's not a traditional vaccine. It's just not they changed the definition for mRNA vaccine technology before that was not that it was a very different thing. We all had in our head. Vaccines are good. That's why they don't get sued because we need vaccines.

28:15And then unfortunately I read Robert F. Kennedy Jr's book, The Real Anthony Fowlchills, like, oh my god. What was your initial thought about the COVID shot? What was your mind? Did you take it? No, I didn't take it, but that's why they were so mad at me. I was ready to take it. The UFC had allocated shots for all the Johnson Johnson for all their employees. And I showed up there on a Saturday, which was the day of the fights. And I said, can you give it to me? And they said, yeah, sure. Let's call the doctor. We'll set it up. I thought I was going to get a shot. I thought it was like a flu shot.

28:51I'll get that shot. And I'll go do the broadcast. I was going to do the broadcast. I didn't take anything of it. I was not worried about it at all. And they said, no, you have to come to the clinic and do it. Could you do that on Monday? And I said, I can't, but I'll be back in two weeks. During the time that I was trying to get it, and then in two weeks later, when the next fights were, it got pulled from the market. Because of blood clots. And then two people I knew had strokes. And I was like, hold the fuck up. And then I got real nervous because there was a lot of family members that were like really pushing it.

29:23You need to get vaccinated. Everyone should get vaccinated. Have you gotten vaccinated? Get vaccinated. We all need to do our part. We all need to get vaccinated. And then I became a heretic. Then I was like, okay, I don't, I don't want to do it. And I had a bunch of friends that had horrible side effects, including one of them who is a young guy who has a pacemaker now. Yeah. Yeah. His heart stopped beating for like nine seconds at a time. He would black out. It was wild shit was happening. And I was like, I don't understand why this isn't on the news. I don't understand. And then I'm like, oh my God, I'm the news.

29:56I'm like, I have to be the news. I don't want to be the news. I like talking shit. I like having a bunch of comedians here. We have laughs. We get silly. You know, have a few drinks, watch some funny videos, crack each other, have fun. Or scientists, I like to have fascinating people in here. Tell me how the cosmos was formed. I'm not, I don't want to be someone who distributes information to the masses. It's been lied to. That's not, I don't have any lofty goals like that. Like I want to be the, I want to be the one tells the truth. And that's not what I do. Yeah. I'm just a curious person who talks to people.

30:28Was it hard for you to get Iver Mechden? No, I got it from India like that. I got boxes of it. I was handing it out to everybody. I think we still have some more here right here. India to get their medicine from the US. Well, that was after my doctorate got it for me. My doctor got it for me. I think I fucked it up for everybody. I think me becoming the attack boy when they went after me. I don't think they would have attacked anybody that didn't have a large platform like that. And I don't think they would, I should say it better. I should, I don't think they would have attacked Iver Mechden the way they did.

30:59I think they would have just suppressed it. And it wouldn't have been a public thing because it wouldn't have got out. I think the problem was me saying that. The thing, the crazy thing is I said all that other stuff too. I said IV vitamins. I said Z -PAC, Prednisone. I told them all the things my doctor put me on. And all they concentrated on was this Iver Mechden thing. It was like this is wild. Like what is going on? Yeah. And then I was like, am I wrong about Iver Mechden? And then I started just reading about the scientists and the team that invented it and how they want to know Bell Primes.

31:31And I was like, okay, what the hell is happening? Like this is nuts. This is so weird. Well, it was all part of getting the shot in every arm. And they had to go after Iver Mechden. I mean, they launched a war on Iver Mechden. Pierre Corey wrote a book about it. Yes. I appear on early on too. Yeah. And I actually sued the FDA over that horse tweet. And we won. It hasn't really changed anything. But so the FDA, when they put that information or misinformation out against Iver Mechden, they were really crossing a line because they're not allowed to tell the public you can't take a medication for this or you should take a medication for that.

32:13They're basically allowed to just approve medications and move on. I mean, they can issue a safety alert. There's something that comes up. But they're not allowed to really direct patients. And that's what they did. And so we did sue them and we won and they had to take down the horse tweet and they had to take down the misinformation on their website. But unfortunately, as evidence by what just happened on vanity fair, I mean, the brand of it being only for animals still lives on. And you know, it'd be great. What happened at Vanity Fair? So the reporter still used the term horse, you are right.

32:51Wild. Wild. You're still being a live animal horse. Do you wear a pusher in 2025? Right. Right. When Chris Cuomo is out there talking about how he's taking it for long COVID. Right. Right. But it'd be great if the FDA could issue some sort of statement. Yeah. You know, saying that it is safe, that it is used in humans. They don't have to say much more than that. But, you know, we could use a little help in rebranding Ivermectin. And there are also a bunch of states that are trying to make it over the counter. I'm not sure if you've seen that. Yes, I have. 17 states have had bills in the last legislative session trying to get Ivermectin over the counter.

33:30Three have been successful. So Tennessee, Idaho and Arkansas. Four, there is still in deliberations and 10 they failed. But another thing the FDA, I believe, should do is make Ivermectin over the counter. Because people are basically going to the feed store. I mean, my, my own kid, he had some sort of the skabies situation. And West Texas over the weekend, you had to go to the feed store to get treatment. And I did a poll on Twitter, 52 % of the respondents said they go to the feed store to get their Ivermectin. Is there any difference in the Ivermectin from the feed store? I don't know. I mean, I haven't heard of anybody having issues, but it's just unnecessary.

34:10This is America. It's crazy. We should be able to get the medication very easily. And there is some sort of an efficacy for some sort of skin infections. Is that true? Skabies is one of the problems. Yeah. But you use it topically. Is that how it's worth? You can. I mean, for, for skabies, actually, you can take it orally. Okay. But yeah, so we shouldn't have to go to India. We shouldn't have to go to the feed store. We should be able to just go to, I mean, in Mexico, India, he still eaves me. I need more of my friend. I don't know. That kind of worries me because you just bought boxes. I was handed out boxes to people because so many people were telling me they couldn't get it.

34:46Right. Right. And so I'm like, let me just get a lot of it while I still can. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess it's, it's probably fine, but it's just unnecessary. People are giving it to me at shows. Are they worth? As gifts? I carry around my purse. I like things. They're really? I'm not doing for something. Oh, here's my Ivermectin. Oh, I know people that take it as a prophylactic all the time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Which is so, it's just what a weird drug to go after. That was on the World Health Organization's list of essential medicines. Yeah. Yeah. And how many people who had yellow fever and all the river blindness also, also, it's a different parasitic infections.

35:20It won a Nobel Prize. And it showed that it stopped viral replication in vitro. Yeah. They knew that. Yeah. You know, I remember when I brought that up to Sanjay Koop, it was like, but you know it does, right? And you can see the look on his face where it's like, I could, he couldn't talk about that. Yeah. He had to like, skirt around it and just do his best to. But it was like, this is kind of crazy to make an off label medication, so taboo. Yeah. And then to stop monoclonal antibody, it's just stop them. Well, you couldn't get it. Yeah. My friend, one of his buddies was in the hospital. And because he was in the hospital, they wouldn't give him monoclonal antibodies.

35:57Oh, yeah. If you, if you cross that threshold, you, you were not going to get a monoclonal antibody. What is that about? Does that make any sense? Well, they, they did it by the day. Apparently there was some data showing if you gave it too late in the time course, actually, mixing's worse, which is what you do. How many people did they give it to that were too late? I mean, how do we know this? It does seem suspicious. It does seem suspicious because like why would, if something, if you, you've shown something, to be very effective done early on, wouldn't you assume it would continue to be at least somewhat effective?

36:27Right. Now, if you're trying to stop someone who's on the brink of death, which is this gentleman who might want up dying, and they didn't get it to him, if you're just trying to stop, and you can't do it because you're in the hospital, because you're admitted. Yeah. But you should have like crazy data that shows like after 14, your feet fall. 14 days of infection, your feet fall off, you go blind, if you take it, can't give it to you. Yeah. In my theory is, they probably had a massive inflammatory response because we would see that, that people would get the monocleont antibodies, and they would just feel like complete hell that night, because it was like a little war going on in the body.

37:01Right. And then they would wake up the next day feeling great. I don't know if you had that experience, but. Yeah. I pretty much did. So, you know, the second week of illness was the massive inflammatory response. So my thinking is the monocleont antibodies may have just exacerbated that, but they could have counteracted that with high dose steroids. And that was another thing. They gave these like, piddly doses of steroids in the hospital. And what stories, steroids in particular? Uh, methyl prednisolone or salimedral was what we typically used. Is that prednisone what I took? Is that the same thing?

37:32Yeah. Well, prednisone is an oral. There are different types, but like I usually do a medral dose pack rather than prednisone, because it's been shown to help better with respiratory. It's not a huge deal. But in the hospitals, they could give salimedral and high doses of that. But they were giving very small doses of steroid, which is a problem. Hmm. Well, that's also one of the things that they talked about in the RFK junior book, was that the studies that were saying that it was ineffective. The studies were not using the protocol that these doctors were using. And it seemed like these studies were designed to fail.

38:12Exactly, exactly. And, you know, like I said, you can find a study to support or go against anything you want, basically. So I just relied on my clinical experience. And I just had so many people saying, wow, it really made a big difference. And I saw people staying out of the hospital and it wasn't hurting anybody. So, but yeah, a lot of those studies were basically designed to fail. Either, you know, the dose wasn't high enough or they gave it too late. Or it was heavily funded by somebody that doesn't want it to succeed. Yeah, it's all very bizarre. Like really, it's really bizarre to live through.

38:50And for you as a person who was out of medicine and then said, jump back in six months before all this. Like, what is it like to have your world view sort of like spun around like that? Yeah, it's just, I mean, it's good and bad. Like, I feel sorry for the people that don't get it. In a lot of ways. But I just never thought it would come to all this. You know, I didn't go back to work to have a huge, huge career. I was just basically trying to stay busy and, you know, active and... And help people. Yeah, and, but I didn't envision this at all. It's been very impactful. I'll say that. Yeah, what has something like, like, having to, I mean, having to do this?

39:34Have you done all these podcasts? Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, it's not what I envisioned at all. But it's been, you know, I feel vindicated finally. At least I'm not embarrassed to go to the school functions anymore or show up at the sporting events or, you know, used to be scared to go to the grocery store. Because they just, they came after me so hard and Houston. I mean, Houston Methodist Hospital is sort of the country club, you know, the elite of the hospitals and so forth. For them to come after me was a big deal. It's hard to get privileges there. You know, their tagline is leading medicine and they were very proud of being the first hospital in the country to mandate the shots.

40:20They didn't need to go after me. I mean, I was nothing. I was, you know, I saw a lot of COVID patients, but in the grand scheme of things, I really wasn't, you know, I was not really doing anything. It's the stricelent effect, right? Yeah, yeah. They attacked you and by doing so, they made the whole thing way bigger than it needed to be. But they did silence other doctors. I mean, I hear from doctors all the time that won't say anything because of what they did to me. Yeah, no, there's a lot of doctors that I know that were in danger of losing their license because they had prescribed divermectin.

40:53And that was another thing. You know, the Federation of State Medical Boards, which is this private entity, they're actually located in Texas, who oversees all the state medical boards. They sent out a directive to all the state medical boards concerning Ivermectin, concerning misinformation, and basically encouraging the medical boards to go after doctors like myself. And I mean, I'm still tangled up with the medical board trying to clear my name. But they did that. That was, it all happened in that fall of 2021, right when Biden mandated the shots. They really came down hard on the doctors. So what did they do specifically to you?

41:37So I got several complaints, but only one of them is really stuck. Others have cleared my name on, but they're all involving Ivermectin. No patient harm. The one that has stuck is from a hospital in Dallas called Texas Heagley Hospital. And there was this man, a sheriff's deputy, father of six, who's basically dying. They were talking hospice. And his wife wanted him to have the opportunity to try Ivermectin. And he had tried to get it before getting in the hospital and couldn't find a doctor willing to prescribe it. So wife knew he was okay with it. And so she sued the hospital. And then she asked me to come on as sort of the expert.

42:17They had to have a, they had to have a doctor who was willing to prescribe it. Because they can't force the doctors to prescribe a medication. But they could force the hospital to give a doctor privileges who was willing to prescribe it. So that's where I came in. And we won the case. And the hospital had a court order saying that they were going to give me emergency temporary privileges. So that could go into the hospital and give him Ivermectin. Well, there was all this, yeah, stall tactics. They were supposed to give me the privileges the same day. And in other circumstances, at that time, because of the pandemic, they were giving doctors same day privileges.

42:54It wasn't this lengthy application process because there was a shortage of doctors. Before me, they made me submit my surgical case log for the last three years. They made me get three letters of recommendation. They made me fill out like a 30 page application. I got it all done in 24 hours. And then they're like, no, no, we're not, we're actually going to deny you privileges. So it turned out in this big battle. It became very confusing because they had to go back to the judge. And I finally got the green light that the lawyers like we can go. You've got the green light, the judge. We got the order.

43:28There's no stay on the order. I send a nurse to the hospital because this is in Dallas, and I'm in Houston. She shows up with the court order and the police greet her and turn her away. There's not a big scene. She leaves, but she's not allowed to give a miver mectin. It turns out they did get a stay, but our lawyers weren't aware of it at the time. But this is what they're going after me. They said that I sent a nurse to the hospital without privileges. And I caused a scene and I, you know, I harmed other patients by doing this. And it has been, I mean, three and a half years. They can't find an expert witness to testify against me.

44:06There have been three continuances. They finally were awarded summary judgment against me. So I'm already decided I'm guilty. And now I'm waiting for my punishment. There was a hearing about a month ago to find out, you know, what they're going to find me with. And that sort of thing. And I'm just waiting on that. But I do plan on appealing. It's just gotten crazy. Wow. So the first thing they attacked you with was what? What was the first one? For the medical board? Yes. I had one pharmacist turn me in because we sort of got in a pissing match on the phone. And then... This is in 2021? That might have been, I can't remember, but around that time.

44:55I had another... I had a father reach out to me. A 17 -year -old had history of a kidney transplant. And they were going to Europe. And they wanted to have Ivermectin just in case he got sick. And I was talking to the dad and the stepmother. I didn't realize I wasn't talking to the mother. So the mother found out I prescribed him Ivermectin and turned me in. But Ivermectin is metabolized by the liver, not the kidney. So it would be no harm for him to get... Yeah, I was just having had a kidney transplant for him to get Ivermectin. And he never took the medicine. But it cost me $16 ,000 in legal fees to get that straightened out.

45:36So this was your first experience? Like, oh my god. Like, this is a real battle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never been in any trouble. I've never been sued. Did it feel weird publicly yet? Like, when you were saying you were having a hard time going to the grocery store, or you were there? That was when Methodist came after me. You say Methodist... They came after you very publicly. Yeah, they tweeted about me. They went to the... I found out that my privileges were suspended from a text message from a reporter. That's how I found out. I looked at my phone and I was like, what are you talking about?

46:09I did. I said, check your sources. I don't know what you're talking about. And then I got to my email and they suspended me. And then they tweeted about it. And it went, you know, I had CNN, Washington Post going after me. It was traumatic. I mean, I was just a, you know, a mom of four with a small practice. And all of a sudden, I've got CNN calling me. What? So... What was going through your mind? Why that was happening? I spent the weekend in the fetal position in a lot of tears. And then I was like, I was pissed. And I just... On Monday, I hired a lawyer. And I hired a guy to help me with the press.

46:48And I held a press conference on Monday. I resigned. And then I sued them. So... And then I just have been working to try to... Clear my name. Wow. It's just... It's so hard to imagine for someone who's never experienced what you went through. What that must be like emotionally. To just get thrown to the wolves in front of the world. Like publicly. Buy people like CNN. Like where it gets so weird. Because if that never happens to you, you look at CNN and you go, oh, they're the news. They're going to tell me the truth. That's... I thought that I just automatically thought that. Or they're at least saying what they're allowed to say.

47:33Maybe the government holds back some information. But they're not going to lie. And then I... You see my own self on TV. And I'm sure. But I'm used to being attacked for things. I think the harder it was, you know, CNN, whatever. But it's more just the locally like going in the grocery store, going to the baseball game where your kids playing and like hoping, you know, sitting in a corner because you don't want anybody to see you. Did anybody ever bother you? No, honestly, no. But you just feel self... Yeah. You just feel very self -conscious. It's hard not to. Yeah. Even now, I still feel self -conscious.

48:04But it's a lot better. I mean, you know, I had a Mother's Day event at school and people actually came up and said nice things to me for once. So that was kind of nice. Well, that's nice. Well, a lot of people got red -pilled to use the matrix expression, you know, where they woke up to what's really going on during... I mean, it's kind of a masterful job of propaganda over the years that the pharmaceutical drug companies have done. I mean, because most people aren't even aware of how many drugs get pulled. They're not aware of the high percentage of them. What is it in the 30s? Well, yes, about 33%.

48:38They looked at it over 10 years, 33 % had significant safety warnings on the drugs. And it took about four years for those to become recognized. I mean, they're drugs. I used to prescribe. They're no longer on the market. Yeah. Yeah, like I said, it would have been... Any other drug would have definitely been pulled by now based on all the adverse events we've seen. But it's just very profitable. And that's what people have to wake up to. There's a bunch of factors, right? There's the primary one, which is a bunch of scientists that are really trying to help people. And they're really trying to develop new ways to cure Parkinson's and all sorts of other problems, cancer, and these people are just consular.

49:23And then there's the money people. The money people who take that thing and say, how do we give oxycontin to everybody? And then you have the Sackler family, right? You have evil. You have like actual evil. Maybe they don't have horns. Maybe they don't have a fork tail. But that's a demonic thing to do. You're infecting people with essentially some of it turns them into a zombie. And it's killing people. But you're going to make a lot of money. In health, too. Especially in health. Well, because you're so trusted. You're coming from a position of authority. It's a very different thing. Especially in an area where most people are woefully ignorant.

49:59I mean, look how many doctors who are practicing doctors who are woefully ignorant about nutrition. Right. It's an enormous amount, right? Now, imagine the average person who has to go to a specialist about something. And they're being told, oh, you need viox. This is this thing I'm going to give you. And it's going to cure your arthritis. Like, oh, great. And then you fucking stroke out. Yeah. And the people who made that drug knew it was going to cause problems in people. They, in the emails that were admitted during the hearings when they lost or during the corporate shootings. They wound up paying a fraction of what they made.

50:38They made like $12 billion they had to pay. I think they had to pay five. So they made seven. You know, with, you know, this costs stuff, stuff cost money. But Jesus. It's, it's so hard, it's so hard to wake up to that. It's so hard to like go, wait. So they're not looking out for us. They're not like trying to make us better. I always thought they were the people that were the most wonderful people in the world. They're the people that are providing the medication that's keeping everyone alive. This is why our life expectancy is 100 years old now. As opposed to just 20 years ago. Oh, great. Life expectancy has gone down actually.

51:15Whoops. Whoops. Despite all the vaccines. Yeah. Yeah. And vaccines are even their own special class, right? It's the gospel. It's a religion. It's a gospel. I mean, we were, it was never questioned in my training. This episode is brought to you by Farmer's Dog. It doesn't matter how old your dog is. It's always a great time to start investing in their health and happiness. And thankfully, the Farmer's Dog makes it easier than ever to feed your dog a healthy diet of real meat and veggies. Dogs prefer their food, even picky dogs, and owners prefer their service. If you have a question about your dog, your plan, your delivery, or anything else.

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53:11Not only that, I would not talk to anybody who did. I would be like, get it out of here. I'm not having an anivax on the show. Fuck off. But after reading Suzanne Humphreys book, and I had her on recently, reading that book was like, what? Wait a minute. What? And then just this can't be true. And then just look at the raw data of like when the vaccines were introduced and also when hygiene was introduced. And sanitation was introduced. And then massive drop off of the disease. And then at the very end, when it's almost gone, vaccines are introduced in almost every case. And yet we all are thinking like thank God vaccines exist because otherwise we'd all have polio.

53:48Like, oh Christ. Yeah, it bothers me that I never question that. Never would have. The polio won't blew me away. When you find out that that was the same time where they were using DDT everywhere. And the people that were getting polio first, where people in rural farmland communities, where they sprayed DDT everywhere. And it wasn't just affecting people, it was affecting horses. And it doesn't cross species. So it wasn't the same thing. Clearly something was going on. And everybody got locked into this polio scare. And to this day, I had a friend use that to me and a text message to me about like, look, we have to really appreciate that.

54:27You know, he's like trying to make up for some stupid joke. And he was saying that, you know, look at Jonas Salk, cure polio. I'm like, I don't have the time. I don't have the time to sit down and tell him there's a great book. It's called dissolving illusions. You should read it. And then you should read turtles all the way down. It's another great book. And then you should listen to Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s journey from being a very respected and trusted environmental attorney who was applauded by the left to being some nutcase pariah who I thought was a nutcase. I had to apologize to him when I had him on the show.

55:02I said, I have to tell you, when I first heard of you. And I thought you were a cuck. You're this anti -vaccine cuck. I thought, I was living in LA working in Hollywood. We, I bought into it. I'll climb the secret. Everybody around me thought that way. So I thought we all, this is a sensible intelligent people think. Yeah. I don't think you can really convince people. I think they have to figure it out themselves. No, they don't want to hear it. That's the thing. It's like telling someone that they're spaghetti monster in the sky is not real. Like, you know, they don't want to hear it. Just can't.

55:33Right. Yeah. I've just given up. But yeah, there's hope. I mean, you came around and you're not in the field, right? And people, I think, you know, COVID directly impacted every single American. And not in a good way, right? No, there's nothing good about it. And the only thing good about it was a shift in perspective. Right. And that it's going to be way harder to pull some shit off like this again. Right. People are not going to buy into it. Especially all this vaccine injured people who keep getting gas lit. And why do they keep calling it long COVID? How come nobody I know wasn't vaccinated got long COVID?

56:10Right. Right. What is this long COVID you speak of? Is there a long flu? Is there, where's the long pneumonia? What the fuck are you talking about? Why are you calling it? Is it possible that this is a vaccine injury? I'm just asking. Well, yeah, I've been looking at antibody levels in these people. And it's alarming. So we have an aunt that we really don't have a lot of tests for vaccine injured. It's hard because they'll get the million dollar workup. By the time they come to see me, they've gone through, you know, multiple tests, multiple doctors. It's not really a million dollars. Is it the workup?

56:45Well, I don't know. It's all right. I just want to be clear. And then for some vanity, I can't force D -warmer who claimed there was a million dollar markup. I actually, somebody should fact check me on that. I'm sure it's higher than a million. But, uh, was I go, oh, so they get, you know, they go through the workup and then they can't find, they can't find a test to prove that they're injured. So the doctors will put them on psychiatric medication. They'll put them on sleeping pills and benzodiazepines and antidepressants. Literally, I saw a patient was put on all three. So the only test that I have found that does seem to correlate is this antibody test.

57:24It's a spike protein antibody test. Labcore has it. That's where I send people quest has it, but they put the upper limit is too low, so you don't really get a good sense. But, you know, the upper limit of the test is 25 ,000. And people that have not gotten the COVID shots, I'd say it ranges usually under a thousand. And then people that have gotten the shots, I mean, a lot of them are off the chart. They're over 25 ,000. But on average, they're probably 10 times higher than the people have not gotten the shot. And this is people who were, you know, they were vaccinated four years ago. It wasn't like they just got the shot, you know, obviously COVID's not an issue anymore in terms of, you know, people getting sick.

58:08But four years later, you should not have sky high antibody levels. And that's what I'm seeing. And that is alarming. It just suggests that there is a lot of spike protein still in the body causing problems. And haven't they shown that the spike protein continues to be produced in the body up to 700 days later? Yes, I mean, that is, that's one study. There's some, you know, what's interesting that study that antibody levels were really low, which doesn't make sense. So I kind of question the whole study, but yeah, I mean, I see it. I mean, I see patients, I mean, I still see vaccine injured patients coming to me for the first time years later.

58:48Last week, I probably saw six new vaccine injured patients. And they're not getting any help. The government, there's, it's called the CICP. That's a, it's a countermeasures injury compensation program. They're supposed to help these patients. They have denied 98 % of people that have applied for assistance. They are on average. They, I think they've awarded 20, they've awarded 30 people, 30 of all the vaccine injured that have applied. 30 people. On average, they award us like $4 ,000 for these people. It's horrible. I mean, these people's lives are just destroyed. These are not easy things to treat.

59:28It's not like I can give an antibiotic and they're good to go and they're fine. I mean, they're very challenging. It's a, we don't have a lot of guidance. I do see a lot of success with Ivermectin, but it's slow going. It's usually, you know, months of trying to help them. And the government really needs to help these people. Because there's a lot of people suffering and they're getting completely ignored. The other issues, we don't even have a code. So every disease has a numerical code. It's called an ICD -10 code. It's what they use to compensate people for, or the insurance companies use them, but also for tracking.

1:00:07So if you have, you know, COVID has its own little code and you can just dial in the code and get all the numbers. They don't have a code for vaccine injury. They have a code for vaccine hesitancy, but they don't have a code for injury. So all these people are just sort of, you know, they're getting all these diagnoses, but there's no way to track them. It's a big problem. How convenient. Yeah. Well, I would imagine the real problem with paying people is you'd have to pay so many. You know, but that's... We can just print the money. I don't know what the problem is. I mean, what do you give them?

1:00:41What if you find out you have myocarditis and your life expectancy is greatly reduced? And we know for a fact it came out of this vaccine. What do you give a person like that? You're going to take... They're life's wages. What wages that they would have potentially earned? What if it's Katy Perry? Well, so be it. You know what I'm saying? You give $2 billion. I don't care what you do. The vaccine companies can pay that money. I know, but it's insane. The number of people that I personally know. What's very shocking to me is when I talk to people that are pro -vaccine, still pro -vaccine, I'm going to be very specific, mRNA vaccine, still pro -COVID vaccine that will tell me they don't know anybody who has injured probably.

1:01:23Yeah. I was like, how is that possible? How many people do you know? I know a lot. Yeah. I know two people on pacemakers. Yeah. Two. Yeah, everybody knows somebody. Yeah, I know a lot of people that got fucked up, including family members. I know a lot of people that got fucked up. And people that don't want to admit they got fucked up. All of a sudden they have this new cancer that's spreading like rapidly. Yeah. It's terrifying. You know, it's like, I watched the Daily Jones podcast and you guys were trying to get Casey Means, Callie Means to talk about SV40, right? Well, my thing with Callie, I actually talked to him last night.

1:02:05Just why he will not go on record to state the COVID shot should be pulled off the market. And that, you know, that's the whole Mahi's ahead of my look at it. Do you think that's being political? That's trying to like appease too many people? What do you think that is? I can't read their minds, but I think it's, I think anybody with a big microphone who is in a position of power and who knows the truth is ethically obligated to speak the truth. That's how I see it. I mean, I'm not a politician. I keep hearing the word strategy. But there are, you know, there are people. I see I'm just faced with the carnage every day in my office.

1:02:40It's just I can't ignore it. And I don't understand why this is so difficult other than, you know, political, but it shouldn't be political. It shouldn't be. Right. That's what's disappointing because we thought that this administration coming in, it was just going to kick down doors. Right. Like this is it. Epstein, less day one. Who killed JFK? Let's find out. What are all these fucking UFOs? You know what? That was not my priority list. I'm mine. I'm a dummy. That was my number one. How did I look at that? Added those three. Give me that one. Tell me the aliens are real. But they, this political dance, this, this excuse for that.

1:03:19So I really appreciated Jack Cruz kind of pestering him on that. And then I've talked to Brett Weinstein about that as well. And he gave a breakdown of how it actually happened. And when the original kidney cells from these monkeys were being used to make vaccines, that they inadvertently gave these people this semi -invirus 40, which when it gets into the human body can lead to rapid cancer. Right. Well, yeah, that's one of the cancer causing issues with these shots. That's not the only one, though. Right. It goes into the cell. It's supposed to not get into the nucleus, but it could get into the nucleus.

1:04:01We know that it can get into the nucleus. And then if it gets into the nucleus, Well, at first they thought it was going to stay local. Right. It's only going to stay in the arm, right? It's going to stay right where your arm is. Your body will react to it. It will produce the antibodies. And then you're good to go. Yeah. And then all these silly people, you can watch them dying the streets and laugh as you step over them. Ha, ha, ha. I was smart. Right. I trusted the science. Yeah. Yeah. So they know that it, that's not true. It doesn't stay local. They know it doesn't dissipate within. It was a small amount of time that was supposed to stay inside your body.

1:04:32They know that's not true. Right. So, yeah, they have a, they replaced one of the nucleotides with something that's hard to break down. Sudo -yuridine. They've never shown that pseudo -yuridine is cleared from the body. There's no study showing that we can clear it. So it could, that could be why these people have these sky high, you know, by levels four years later, because the body might not be able to break it down. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's terrifying. What could you conceive of, would that, would help something like that? Like, what, what could you do that would aid the body in being able to do something like that?

1:05:08Is there anything theorized? I, yeah. I don't know. I wish, you know, Robert Malo would be a good person to ask, maybe. Yeah. You know, maybe she'd come back on a dual victory, victory lap anyway. That guy was torn apart. They were trying so hard to make him out to seem to be a cook. And every interview he would do, he would be so reasonable, so logical, so fact -based, and so knowledgeable. And they still, they still, he was a cook. He was a cook. I remember some fucking guy yelled at me and, excuse me, yelled at me in Vegas. He said something about me spreading disinformation, then he said something about that idiot Malone.

1:05:44I'm like, that, oh, that guy. The inventor of mRNA. Or one of them, you know, I mean, it's, I don't know. I'm sure this, it's not like none of those things ever happened in it vacuum. I'm sure there's a ton of people working on that. But he was one of them. Right. He's fucking brilliant guy. But so, how did they find out that it can get into the nucleus? Well, if you look at lip, if you look at lipid nanoparticles, and that's sort of a, that's what otherwise, if you just put mRNA into the body without the lipid nanoparticle, it would get destroyed. So they put the, they put it in the shell, the lipid nanoparticle.

1:06:22And there are studies showing lipid nanoparticles can cross the nuclear membrane. So there's, there's that. Kevin McCurnen is a scientist. He's, he's on X a lot. He's done a lot of work in that, showing DNA contamination that's getting into these shots. In addition to the SB 40 and he's DNA contamination. Right. So there's, there's, and this was what Joe Latapoe, the search for general Florida, he has actually called for the COVID shots to be pulled off the market. And his, his main argument was there is a certain amount of DNA that is allowed in any kind of these products. And we have proof that they have exceeded that threshold.

1:07:07So there have been studies showing that there's excess DNA in these samples, which shouldn't be there. And that's just sort of this hard line that shouldn't be crossed. Where's this DNA coming from? In the production process, I guess. But it's, it's pretty cut and dry. I think that's why Dr. Latapoe was chosen this argument to go by. Because there's just like a hard line that you don't cross and they have crossed that. And what happens if you get too much DNA? Well, it can integrate it. The concern is does it integrate into your own, into your cell DNA? Are we going to make it like monkey people?

1:07:47No, cancer. But cancer, that's the thing. Right. You imagine if we made like hybrid people, they turn out to look like Neanderthals, you know, like we injected them with something that twisted their, their genes back. But just the idea of manipulating your DNA is so terrifying. So what? In pregnant women, right? Right. Integrating. You know, be one thing if it's a 70 year old man, but a pregnant woman. You hear that, you hear these? Integrate DNA. You don't think good things. That's like immediately. I'm like, what? And these things are technically gene therapy products. They're not vaccines. So.

1:08:18Which is a real problem with using the same term. Why not use a new term? Well, because then you wouldn't be under the umbrella of protection. Right. And then you would have vaccines currently enjoy where they can't be, which is so crazy. It's so crazy. It's just hard to believe it's true. It really is. It is. And so for a person like you that just like you were saying, see the carnage every day, tell me what it's been like. Like what is it like? It's hard because as an ENT, I'm used to, I'm used to fixing people quickly. So, you know, I get somebody with a science infection, get them an antibiotic, they're good to go.

1:08:54I got somebody with an abscess. I drain the abscess. They're good to go. It's sort of why I chose my specialty because I like to see the results quickly. I didn't go into primary care for a reason. Like it. And so when I see the injured, it's like, you know, it's very slow growing, slow going. We don't have a lot of research. It's trial and error. These people are young. You were previously young and healthy in their lives. I've just been completely destroyed. I don't have a big support system of other specialists. I can send them to. It's hard. I mean, I don't feel sorry for myself. But I'm just saying it's just very different from what I'm used to as a doctor.

1:09:35So I really hope that the government will step up and do something about this. Yeah, that would be a nice thing to hope to do something about it. But it would be really nice if some real research was done on what are the actual long -term research. If you're, if everyone's looking at it from a position of we can't get, you know, suit for this, this is dangerous. Like we have someone has to look at it and say, well, these are the definite effects of this vaccine. Because it's too much, this is long COVID. It's too much, oh, he got a neurological condition that was going to happen anyway. It's just coincidentally happened after he took the COVID shot.

1:10:17Like it's got to be some way to determine what of these ailments. Like specifically, like when you were talking about the abnormal antibody levels. Well, there are patterns. I mean, definitely see the same sort of things over and over again. So it's not like, you know, but as you said, it doesn't have a classification. Right. It doesn't have a code. So we need an ICD 10 code for these. That seems kind of crazy. Yeah. Well, imagine if that was the case with like her piece, everybody would be like, hey, put it down coding there. So we know what this is. But there, you know, I see very similar constellation of symptoms.

1:10:50I see patients with these abnormal tremors, which, you know, they can't stop shaking. Even when they're sleeping, they feel internal vibrations. Or they'll have severe pain that you can't explain. You know, you get an MRI. There's nothing. There's no nerve damage that you can tell. I've seen some very strange rashes. And normally, you know, it doesn't matter what kind of rash it is. You throw a few meds at it and it will disappear. But actually, the only thing that I found helpful is the eye remectant for these strange rashes. And you see pots where the blood pressure, that's the hardest, I think.

1:11:26And this is, this, we're seeing a lot of this. With the blood pressure just drops suddenly with no stimulation or the heart races with no provocation. That is very common, very difficult to treat. That's a good friend of mine. Yeah. He says every now and then his heart will just jack up to like 180. Yep. And he has to sit down. And he just has to hope that this isn't the last time he breathes. Yeah. He just sits there. He has a heart monitor. He puts it, like, one of them wristwatch ones, the Garmin one. He just watches his heart jack up to like 180 beats per minute. Just sit in there for no reason.

1:12:01Not knowing if you got to die. Another friend of mine who was really young was a soccer player. Super healthy guy, super fit. He gets the vaccine, all of a sudden, giant heart racing in the middle of the night, like out of control. Like, you know, like you're running us, having a minute mile, just jacked. Yeah. And he wanted to be in the hospital twice. They, nothing they could do. It all went away. It stopped. It went back to normal after a while. But now he's got this like terrible fear that he's got a fucking time bomb in his chest. Yeah. That I don't know where, which is, his heart will just ramp up.

1:12:33And you could say like, oh, that was, it's probably a genetic thing. He probably had it already. He's like, maybe. But this guy was super fit. Yeah. Super fit soccer player. And that's the athletes. The son doesn't athlete. So it used to be 29 per year. That was 290 per year. Growth, 10 times. Crazy. Dropping dead. The rarest of rare people to drop dead in the middle of nowhere. The best athletes in the world. The people are the healthiest in the prime of their life. Right. And I worry about these kids because, you know, myocarditis, the primary symptom is chest pain. But if you've got a kid who's not even speaking yet, you have no idea if they have myocarditis.

1:13:16And myocarditis can leave a permanent scar on the heart and then lead to a lifelong increased risk of sudden cardiac death. And we have no idea if these kids have been affected. Yeah. And how many kids do we see dropped out of heart attacks in like high school football this year? Like over the last four years rather. Because it was like, you'd see these articles pop up all the time. You never saw those articles. Or if you did, it was super rare and is some kid with a heart condition that was never diagnosed, which does happen. Yeah, and the schools are now making kids get cleared by a doctor before doing sports, which I don't remember that when we were kids.

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1:15:56What's better? It's probably better to screen them. They'll find those undiagnosed conditions that kids can have. Well, I just think that I think it's in response to what's happened. Oh, it certainly is. But I mean, that might be the good aspect of it. Maybe some people will get diagnosed that didn't have any idea that they were running around with the problem, and they can fix it. It's hard to diagnose. Really, the only way you can diagnose myocardias for sure is to do either a biopsy or a cardiac MRI, which is most kids are not going to be put through that. Right. It's scary. And it's what's crazy is this is all true, and yet us talking about it makes us both look like cooks.

1:16:37Like we then will be labeled for sure. Someone will go out and attack us now and label us anti -vax, anti -science, and it's cooks, and this is what's dangerous about this conversation. This is what's dangerous about what they said. And, you know, those people work for the devil. Well, do you think you'll get censored on YouTube? This interview? No. No. No. Because I was just on Jimmy Doer. Yeah, you censored. And they had to bleep out like a full sentence of mine. I'm not bleeping. I'm not bleeping out. I'm not bleeping out. Shit. You think it'll be okay? We'll find out. I think it's wrong if it's not okay.

1:17:11If it's not okay, I think YouTube is more reasonable now than they were during the pandemic. And I think they have a very difficult job managing content at scale where you're dealing with, you know, the amount of people uploading things is insanity. And they have certain things that they've tagged as being controversial because they were anti -science or misinformation that it's still... There's like lingering ones. What was the issue that we had, Jamie? We had like an old episode where there was something in the old episode that would have violated their rules back then. It doesn't violate them now.

1:17:50But we, because the episode was uploaded back then, what happened with that? It just had like a weird... At the time, the penalty was like, you had to do something and so they couldn't take that step away. That was kind of an issue. But the bottom line was... We had to pull shit. Everything this person said was true. And proven to be true now. And now it's 100 % facts. So now you can say whatever you want. Like now if you say, hey, you know, super likely that that virus leak from a lab in China. And now you can say that. Like back then, you would get attacked. It would be crazy. You'd be called a racist.

1:18:25You'd be called the worst things possible. If you just said, like the wonderful John Stewart bit that he did on Colbert's show. Did you ever see that bit? I can't remember. You wanna see it? Let's watch it. Because it's really hilarious. This is like in the heart of the pandemic. You know, and Stephen Colbert was like vaccine or death. You know, he was all in on it. And so Colbert was like trying to like halt him in the middle. He's doing a bit. John Stewart's doing a bit. He's doing a funny bit. And Colbert tries to like cock block it. He tries to like trip him. But John Stewart powers through.

1:18:59Like the comic that he is. You find it? Don't tell me it was taken down. No, this is two versions of it once nine minutes once four. What's that? All right. Give us this one. All right. This is it. And I honestly mean this. I think we owe a great debt of gratitude to science. Science has in many ways helped ease the suffering of this pandemic, which was more than likely caused by science.

1:19:38So. And that's kind of. What was that? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, listen. It's coffee. I would do that too. I'm open to that. What do you take? What do you mean by that? What's the reason? There's a chance that this was created in a lab. There's an investigation. A chance. Well, but I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't. Oh my god. There's evidence I'd love to hear. There's a novel respiratory coronavirus overtaking Wuhan, China. What do we do? Oh, you know, we could ask the Wuhan novel respiratory coronavirus lab. The disease is the same name as the lab. That's just, that's just a little too weird.

1:20:22Don't you think? And then the astrosciences are like, how did this, so wait a minute. You work at the Wuhan respiratory coronavirus lab. How did this happen? And they're like, oh, a pangolin kiss the turtle. And you're like, no, you, you, the name of your lab. If you look at the name, look at the name, can I, let me see your business card. Show me your business card. Oh, I work at the coronavirus lab in Wuhan. Oh, because there's a coronavirus losing Wuhan. How did that happen? Maybe a bat flew into the cloaca of a turkey. And then it sneezed into my chili. And now we all have coronavirus. Okay, wait a second.

1:21:09What about this? Wait a second. Wait a second. All right, job. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. There's been an outbreak of chocolatey goodness near Hershey, Pennsylvania. What do you think happened? Like, oh, I don't know. Maybe a steam shovel made it with a cocoa bean. Or it's the f***, chocolate factory. Maybe that's it. That could be. That could be. Cobra kept trying to get in the way. That could be, let me. I gave them all tuberculosis just. That could very well be. And Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins at NIH said, like, it should definitely be investigated. Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second.

1:22:01Wait a second. Wait a second. But it could be possible. You could be right. It could be possible that they have the lab in Wuhan to study the novel coronavirus diseases because in Wuhan, there are a lot of novel coronavirus diseases because of the bat population there. I understand it. It's the only place to find bats. You won't find bats. No, but we're like saying what? Oh, wait. Austin, Texas has thousands of them that fly out of a cave every night. Every night at dusk. Is there a coronavirus in Austin, coronavirus? No, it doesn't seem to be in Austin, coronavirus. The only coronavirus we have is in Wuhan, where they have a lab called, what's a lab called again, Stephen?

1:22:48The war -hand novel coronavirus lab. I believe that's the case. And how long have you worked for Senator Ron Johnson? Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something about Ron Johnson. This is not a conspiracy. Here's the data from science. You could be right. Here's the data from science. Here's the data from science. But this is the problem with science. Science is incredible. But they don't know when to stop. And nobody in the room with those cats. He's going to do the other thing that we already saw. Yeah. The other thing we talked about the Spanish flu, which a lot of people never heard that before either.

1:23:18They did what? Isn't that great? That's one of the best segments ever on late night television ever in the history. Emperor wears no clothes. And Colbert thinks Emperor still has a fancy robe on. Well, this is the job of comedians in society at certain times. And John Stewart, he held a torch. I didn't realize he was enlightened. Well, he's a very smart guy. He's just, he's not a bullshitter. He's a very smart guy. I don't agree with him on everything. Has he come around on the shot? I don't know. I don't know. I haven't spoken to him. He lives in another state. But I love the guy. He's great.

1:23:58He was my favorite comedian when I was younger. He's a very funny guy and a very nice guy and very fair and honest. He's a type of person who can do that on television in the middle of the world. This was like right around the same time where the government was, remember that release that they had? They said for the vaccinated you've done your job. But for the unvaccinated you're looking forward to a winter of illness and death. Severe illness and death. Severe, it's crazy. Severe illness and death. And this was during Omnicron, which statistically was a cold. Right. That was the one that was like the had the least mortality.

1:24:44Yeah. So for him to do that during that time was very courageous. Like he had to know, like he just had to make it really funny, which he did. He just, he knew it's so preposterous because it's so on the nose. You almost think like if that was in a movie, like that would be to, like it was a Cohen brothers movie or something like, oh my god, this movie's ridiculous. Like there's no way it would be named the same as the lab. Did he get smeared for it? I don't think he did. No, John skirted out of that. He had a show with Apple for a while and it was really good. But then I think, I don't want to speak out of turn here, but I do all the time.

1:25:20So I might as well. I think there was an issue with an episode they did on China. Is that the case? See if there's like data on that or if there's a story on that, but they stopped doing that show. So he had like Apple show. You know, because Apple TV produces a lot of shows now. They have severance. You ever watch severance? No, I'm watching righteous Jim Stoans now. Oh my god, that's a good show. That's it. Oh my god, that's that is such a funny show. I didn't even hear about it until like this year. There's almost too many great shows. I know. It's hard to keep up. That show is fantastic. That show is so fun.

1:25:56I think it's modeled after Joel Osteen. Is it really? That's my theory. And I passed by his church every day. So yeah, there's something about those guys. Those guys that run the mega churches like you got to be crazy. Like not one of them is like, oh, that makes that guy make sense. I see super super reasonable normal human being that's like, I like that guy. That's I want him as my pastor. No, it's always like some complete cook. In October, the New York Times reported that Apple canceled the comedy show ahead of its third season due to creative differences and execs concerns over stewards coverage of topics such as China and AI.

1:26:37Okay. The China I get it Apple has contracts with China, right? They have cell phones made in China and they actually have to we were to the story about that the other day we were to read a story about the other day about how the iPhone 17 is so complex that it actually has to be manufactured in China because they have the best manufacturing. So they must have some sort of a thing where you like you can't criticize. Yeah, you're going to fuck it all up for us. You're going to fuck it all up for the production of our phones that we need that we make all this money, which is why we have more money than most countries.

1:27:10Well, I don't see how John Stewart would be a threat to their revenue. I just don't think they want them criticizing, you know, China, but the AI one is even more weird. The AI one is even more weird because it's like, don't you think we should make fun of AI? I don't think there should be like something that scares the shit out of people enough to they wake up and recognize that this thing is coming at us like a freight train. There's no guard rails. No one knows what's going to happen. And everybody's like, fool Steve in my head. Hey, I terrifies me. It should. It does. Well, it's because you're intelligent, you know, I think most intelligent people are aware that this will be a change that is akin to the asteroid that hit the Yucatan.

1:27:56This is going to this is going to hit in some crazy way that like redefines what it means to be human being. It's around the corner. Well, yeah, and you know, Texas, they love AI. They're like put a huge amount of money into AI. Oh, fun. Oh, fun. Yeah. I know you love Texas, but I do love it here. It is not what you think. No, there's a lot of things. I need to wake you up on Texas. Well, I like the fact that it was free during the time where California was not. You could do whatever you wanted to. Relatively, right? But in my business, and for what I do, like the stand up comedy and letting people tell you what you can and can't do, I don't like that.

1:28:39Right. You know, and here they've had a more rebellious spirit in that regard. And so I think health care though is turning Texas blue. Yeah. We have like Houston is home to the largest medical center in the world. And it brings in people from all over. And I think mandates started in Texas for a reason. I think they did it here to test the waters. I knew if they could get it get away with it in Texas, they could get away with it anywhere. Don't make me move to Florida. No, I don't think I know I think Idaho at Florida is not any good either. I was cold as fuck. Jamie can't live. Look at him over there.

1:29:14He can't survive. He got out of Ohio and he developed thin blood. Yeah. But yeah, Texas, I just, I think it's a, we have, so Texas Medical Association, largest medical association in the country. They are really proponents of transgender surgery and minors. They are anti free speech for physicians. They are pro mandate. They have gone after me. And they have a tight control over the people in our house and state. So I just think we need to be careful. I mean, you saw it during the pandemic and the medical, the economy of our state is dominated by health. People don't realize that. They just think oil.

1:30:07But health is a huge dominating factor in our economy. And you saw what they did to me, what they're still doing to me. You see the mandates. And you, I don't know if you've been following what's going on in the house, but the house is, our house is divided. So we've got the freedom, the real true freedom loving representatives. And then we have these pseudo republicans who do control everything. But they are basically Democrats and disguise. And I don't know, it really worries me. Idaho just passed the best medical freedom bill in the country. It eliminates all medical mandates except for hospitals, of course.

1:30:56But it's the first one of its kind where medical mandates are finally outwalled. Because I mean, you think about it. You know, all these vaccines that we have to give our kids to go to school is actually fundamentally wrong. We should not mandate any child to get a shot to go to school. And Europe, half the countries don't have those kind of mandates. But the United States is very common. You know, all kids have to get these shots to go to school. And if you opt out, it's a big deal. And some states don't even allow it. Don't even allow exemptions. So I think it's a wake up call. Like I just, I never thought about the whole, the fact that I had to give my kids these shots to go to school as being an issue.

1:31:35But now that COVID happened, I see it as a huge issue. But Florida, you know, Florida's been kind of behind it too. Like, you know, they're not one of the states trying to get Ivermectin over the counter. There were nine states that tried to pass bills banning mRNA. They all failed. But Florida wasn't one of those. So Florida worries me too. Idaho. Idaho. Idaho. They have good skiing there. It's beautiful. I don't ski. I quit skiing a few years back. My last accident. I'm like, I'm done. I love skiing. Oh, it's fun. Don't get hurt. Don't get hurt. Don't get hurt. Didn't get hurt. Don't get hurt.

1:32:15That's how I feel every time I ski. But I've had a bunch of surgeries. That's a problem. Like, I know the vulnerability of knees. I've had three knee surgeries. Yeah. It's like it's rough on you, you know. But it's fun. We. It's just for me, like the juice isn't worth the squeeze. There's a bunch of other stuff that's a lot more fun that doesn't come with risk of broken bones and concussions. Yeah. I don't know. I like rural coasters for fun. Oh, no. I can't. You're one of those. I'm not, no, I'm not full on, but I don't know how the new roller coasters have you been on them recently? Oh, yeah.

1:32:49I have kids. Yeah. They're much better. I mean, they're not what the ones we grew up with. No, some of the ones in the, like Disneyland has some insane ones. The one, the Incredibles ride. If you've done that one. I like Guardians of the Galaxy. Oh, that's great. That was fun. That was really fun. Yeah. You know what's the best ride? It's in Disney World. It's an avatar, three virtual reality ride. It's incredible. It's incredible. It's a Florida, California. Florida. I think I did that. I think it's called Flightless Fantasy or something like that. It's incredible. Like you are one of the avatar people and you fly around on a dragon.

1:33:25And it's so good. It's so good. It just, like you feel the breeze, feel mist in the air. At a certain point, I'm realizing why I'm doing this. I'm like, this wasn't even remotely possible just 20 years ago. Yeah. Like what is it going to look like 20 years from now? Like I'm not going to have any idea. They're going to put a helmet on me. It's going to like sink up with my brain ready, brain sink. And also you're going to be in that world. You're like, whoa, and you were going to trust those people to let us out. You know, that debt's 100 % coming. Yeah. I'm happy with the role, because you're all stick with that.

1:33:59It's not worth it. It's not as good. You take the brain thing. Get in the avatar world. I get sick on those rides. The ones where the three, I get kind of nauseated. So this one moves to this one, you're on like a motorcycle, like a fake motorcycle. And that's to represent the dragon. Yeah. And you have like a handle you hold onto and it starts moving around shit. So like as you're flying, it's like it's a full sensory experience. I think I did that. I did that. My kids made fun of me because I was screaming on it. You did that one a dozen years ago. Yeah, a couple of years ago. Yeah. I haven't done it since.

1:34:30It's so good. It's so good. It's such a good ride. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. And when you connect that to AI, so it tail or something, the specific for your whatever crazy fantasy you want to do. We already have video games that people can murder people. Like that's like the most popular video game is Grand Theft Auto. And one of the things that people love about is you could beat some mechanics of death for no reason. Do you think that allows people to get out there frustration so in a healthier way? Perhaps. I would recommend martial art. I think that would be a healthier way. But I think more than anything what it does is allows you to disassociate and just to be able to because it doesn't mean anything.

1:35:09It's not really a person that's getting beat to death. But the imagery is obviously of a person that's getting beat to death. And you're able to do it with no consequences, no recourse, no bad karma. You don't even feel bad because it's part of the game. Yeah. You know, there was what was that one where you could drag the wild west one where you could beat people with whips? Red dawn redemption is a red dead redemption. Crazy games where you could do horrible things to people. Like what is it going to be like when you have video games that are actually virtual reality completely immersive and you could just be a serial killer?

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1:37:41Like something that's going to be God -like power and ability. China's working on it too. We have to work on it. If we don't work, like, everybody's like, hang on. And we're like, nope, two, two. China's working on it. We have to do it. We have to get there first. So this is just like the Manhattan Project. And I don't think it's going to matter. I think once we get there, it's going to be so weird for everybody. I think civilization is going to be an upheaval. And I think we were entirely attached to the idea that this civilization that we live under, where our money is all in hard drives. And it's all ones and zeroes on a database somewhere, not even backed up by gold anymore.

1:38:19It's all super weird already. Like this is standard forever. I don't think it is. I don't know. I feel like there may be a backlash. There may be a backlash. Because, you know, there's this wanting to do real things and do, you know, real experiences. I mean, I have a few hikers. Yeah, there may be a few hikers. There may be a few hikers. A few people would have. I mean, when you're on your computer all day, the first thing I want to do is just get outside and get away from all that. And so, I hope is it. There's going to be a backlash. Well, there'll be a few, right? There's just like, there's people that are still pro vaccine today, right?

1:38:52There's still pro mRNA vaccine. They can't wait for the new booster. There's people that are out there like that, right? You're always going to have different kinds of people. You're never going to have one thing where everybody adopts it. There's going to be a bunch of people that want to live a subsistence lifestyle in the woods forever. Let all those morons in New York put their helmets on and live in fucking Avatar land. I'm going to live out here in the real world. But if you think about how many people play games today versus how many people played games 30 years ago, it's off the charts, right?

1:39:19Like what are the numbers? Like when I was a child, it was when they had Pong. It was the first one. Do you remember that? Yeah, it was in the seared store. Do you remember that? You go shopping for jeans and play the game? That's where you buy your tools. Yeah, tough skins. Yeah, and that was revolutionary. You could play a game on television. And it was a really simple game. You know, do do do do do do do do do. And you play in ping pong with this like slow moving ping pong ball. And it was fun. We all loved it. Family would gather around, play ping pong. And then you fast forward to call of duty.

1:39:52Like that's insane. Like that isn't sane. These kids are, they have microphones on. They're talking. They're running through Faluja, gunning people down. Like this is crazy. Yeah. So the numbers went through that phase, but they seem now to be sort of disinterested. Like they, they kind of, you did a good job. I don't do anything. They just, they just happened. Oh, I think a lot of kids are disinterested because they realize that the, the back and call of life and becoming a success is you cannot get too wrapped up in these things. Because they will steal your time. And but my point is that like the amount of people that are allowing it to steal their time today.

1:40:28And I know you're enjoying it. Do I steal your times of back? Like have fun. Play your games. I love them. They're fun. But I can't do them. There's too much. See, they, they're too exciting. They're too good. But these are just the beginning. What, what, what we're experiencing now, call a duty and first person shooters that everybody loves. And comparison to what's going to happen when they put that thing on your head. And then all of a sudden you really are on battleship troopers. Is that, what was that movie? Were they fought the aliens? Starship troopers. Did you ever see that one? No. Great movie.

1:40:59But it's the future, or you know, they're fighting off aliens, giant alien bugs. You could be in that. You could be in it. Feel the sand on your feet. Feel the wind in your face. Smell the breath of the beast as you shoot it down. It's going to be too compelling. Yeah. Either that or go work at the supermarket. And you're in the supermarket all day. You want to play pickup basketball? Could you suck a basketball? He's hitting bricks. I think they answered roller coasters. No. No, no, no. I don't know. I just think it's just, it's a test of civilization. And it's probably something that is changing our species.

1:41:37And changing it really quickly before we even realize it. Like just like we churn, changed wolves into dogs. It's turning us into technology dependent gelatinous water balloons of blood. That's a dark. It is dark. They're trying, I think they'll take over doctors. Yeah, they're going to take over lawyers, doctors. They're probably going to take over a lot of actors. I think actors and even screenwriters are in real trouble. Wait, wait, wait. How do you take over an actor? Because these AI videos now are insane. They're so good. Wow. Have you ever seen the one where they're stand -up comedians talking on stage about how, and there's people out there that believe that we're a prompt.

1:42:19Like, and then they're going to people in scenes of movies that are like, like saying, do you really believe this is a prompt? And there's Vikings, like incredible Viking village where you're like walking down the village. It's all AI. And it looks like Hollywood movie quality. It looks like some crazy new blockbuster that's out about Vikings. They have crow magnum man walking, you know, like hunting on a raft, moving through the frozen lake. The whole thing is nuts. It's so good. And it keeps getting better. Like this is insanely good compared to what just existed a couple of months ago. Like a year ago, like there's, it's unrecognizable.

1:43:03We get like, computers move so slow in comparison. Like think about when did, when did you first get your first computer? Hmm, probably medical school. What you were saying was like, 1998. Okay, so you're probably running Windows 98, right? It kind of worked, but it was a little buggy. Sometimes it would crash, you get the blue screen at death. Then within like five years, they got way better, 10 years, they got way better. But now if you look at it, if you have a laptop now in 2025 versus a laptop from 2020, no difference. No, I have an old MacBook that I use sometimes because I like it because it's a clickier keyboard.

1:43:42And it's fucking old as shit. It's really old. Like it seems like a regular laptop. It's not that much different. The AI from then was nothing. It didn't exist. And now it's making movies that are off the charts. They're unbelievably realistic. And this is just one version of it. They're gonna have a way better version of it a month from now. A way better version of it, six months from now. And where does that end? Like it doesn't. It doesn't end. And who knows what the news is now. You know what me times someone sent me something on Twitter? And I thought, wow, that's crazy. War footage. And it turns out it was just from a video game.

1:44:21Wow. Yeah, the people get duped. They see a plane getting shot down. They think it's real. Like, wow. No, it's just a scene in the video game. Yeah, I haven't seen these videos. Yeah, I've seen photos that look very realistic. But I haven't seen these videos. I have to get checked that out. They're too good. They're too good. And this race to AI is, you know, we're all involved in it. And I worry that it's not in our best interest. Just like I worry that our health system is compromised. I worry about it all. I worry that there's a lot of people that are going to be insanely wealthy once this goes live.

1:45:01Like, once this goes live, the halves versus the half -nots will be so far separated. But how do you make money off of AI? You control everything. First of all, the stock market. You'll figure out the stock market immediately. And bet insane amounts of wealth at things and compound it. And figure out when to buy and when to sell instantaneously. You could even use AI to manipulate markets by having a bunch of bots tweet about something. So you didn't even jack up a stock price. And then you would go in and clean up. You would create crypto coins. Unlimited amounts of crypto coins. Dump tons of money in it.

1:45:41Higher celebrities. They wouldn't even know. Higher them to promote the crypto coin. Pull the wool out from everybody and make billions of dollars. And you just do that over and over and over and over again. Instantaneously all around the world. Then you have all the money. Like AI, if you're in control of AI, and AI is artificial super intelligence. And you tell it, make me as much money as you can, as quickly as possible in the stock market. This is what we have 100 million dollars to invest. We have a billion dollars to invest. If you're already wealthy, if you're a huge company already, you could do something like that.

1:46:19And who knows what kind of an effect that would have. You could manipulate world governments instantaneously. You could cut off pipelines. You could sabotage power grids. You could shut down energy plants. You could do all kinds of things. You can insert viruses into systems that control every aspect of society. Instantaneously. You crack, especially once they figure out how to attach AI to quantum computing. Then we're doomed. Then we're really doomed. Because they don't have any computational problems. You have insane amounts of computational power. And it's all in our lifetime. Like that's what's not.

1:46:57It's like this will be, if people survive, and there's like a golden age, thousands of years from now, they find the relics of the civilization. They go look through, and they figure out how to open up hard drives. And they see us having this conversation about it. Yeah. It's going to be weird. They're like, oh, they saw it coming. They did it anyway. How do we stop it? I mean, I think Elon Musk was sounding the alarm. And he can't stop it. Not only do you need a stop, but he joined in. I think that's the idea is that you have to do it. Because other people are doing it. If they get a hold of it first, it'd be catastrophic.

1:47:38And I'm sure I screwed up a lot of possibilities in that little stupid rant of mine. But it's something I think people need to have in their head. Because this isn't something that's not going to affect you. Like, oh, that's not going to affect me. I don't really have to pay attention to the politics and Poland. That's not going to affect me. You know, you can do that. But this one you can't do it with. Because it's going to affect all of us. In the world, you're not going to know what the news is. You think Rolling Stone fooled us with that stupid picture from Oklahoma with a bunch of people that are gunshot victims waiting in line.

1:48:11They can use AI for their picture. But yeah, right? But that's a good point. Because that was only a couple of years ago. Today, they probably would. But this is, you know, that's a clear lie. And it's a bad one. What about the really good ones? The really well -coordinated ones that are using artificial created images? Like, how are we going to know? Like, when I Google something, I'm not going to go do clinical research. I'm not going to test these things to make sure it's correct myself. If you're in control of all the information on the internet, like you can instantaneously create a bunch of websites with fake data on it.

1:48:51You can do that easily. Especially if people don't have access to the ability to actually make their own tests. You could change everything. If you're, you have AI or hacking into this and all the encryption is, so you can start our website and just get across and get to basics. Bye -bye, everything's, bye -bye. All these little roadblocks that we kept up there to keep our feeble primate brains from cracking these codes, like all that stuff goes away. It's going to get real weird. Yeah. I don't have an answer. I don't need to go get a bunker after this podcast. I know. I don't think it's going to be that bad, but I do think it's going to be really, it's going to change just society as we know it.

1:49:34I mean, there's probably going to be a lot of good aspects of it too. I think the medical aspect of it is pretty amazing. Chat G -P -T alone when you can put in your blood work and give you some. No? Well, I put in an MRI that I had, my own, and it missed it, telling us to, you know. I mean, it was GROC, it was not Chat G -P -T, but I don't know. Which one's the best at that? I don't know. I don't like Chat G -P -T, so. But there's some other really good ones too, right? All I use is GROC. That's it? Your heart cold right? Yes. I don't trust Chat G -P -T. But I certainly don't trust Chat G -P -T.

1:50:16Well, I was listening to someone talk about a new program that is, you know, they have Pegasus, so Pegasus can read your phone. This new program is a zero click. It reads everything in your phone, including your encrypted messages. You have no idea if you have it on there or not. There's no way to detect it, and it's been being used, but it's used currently. What's the name of it? I don't know, Jamie. See if you could find out the name of it. The old one was Pegasus. The new one is a similar preposterous name. Is it Palantir? I don't know. That's a different thing. I think Ian Carroll was talking about it.

1:51:01So then, okay, so do you not have any privacy anymore? So then your text messages don't have any privacy anymore. I just assume I don't have any privacy anymore. If it wasn't for Elon Musk, buying Twitter, do you imagine how weird the world would be right now? Yeah, weird. I mean, it's so fortunate. I was kicked off for five months. What did you do the guy you kicked off? I really, I was kind of timid back then compared to what I say now. I really wasn't that. But I did, I had a tweet that went viral, and it was, America first legal was suing the CDC over some email. I can't remember exactly, but it was something like, American first legal has just exposed a CDC in a way viral.

1:51:45And then that was my last tweet. That was erased for five months. What excuse did they give you? I don't remember, you know, violating community standards. Wow. What did that feel like? Oh, and then I got, even I tried to get on truth and get her, it's just not the same, right? You just don't get that feedback. You know what I think about those things too? And gab as well. I think they're all infested with like out of state actors, other countries, other countries, intelligence agencies, and even our own countries, and then even corporations. I think they're infected. I think even like democratic and Republican operatives.

1:52:27I think a lot of the traffic is bots. Yeah. Well, I see that on Twitter, definitely. 100%. It's almost not worth engaging anymore. It's like, what are we doing here? Like you're arguing with someone is not even a real person. And I think that's like, that's a big part of it. And I think in those other alternative platforms, like truth, I think they do that to make them ridiculous for everybody else. You know, so the last thing they want is a bunch of people competing to see who's the freest. Right. Right? So what's the best way to do that? Well, you have to sabotage this new social media platform.

1:53:01The moment it comes out, the moment it comes out, swastikas, you know, peppy the frog, the worst possible things post as much as you can so that this place becomes toxic. Right. You know, so that you have to have like a zero tolerance policy like Blue Sky does. You go to Blue Sky if you tweet, there are only two genders. BAM! Get the fuck out of here. I was on Blue Sky for a bit. How long? How long did you last? I don't know. Yeah, I got, I got a slid in before it was open to the public. And I started stirring the pot. And then I just got on a got board. I got in some fights with him. God, who's that woman?

1:53:37She's a lawyer. She's a big vaccine enthusiast. Vaccine enthusiast is hilarious. Yeah, she's a really hot guy. She's like the, she's like the female version of Hotas. Anyway, I just got one. Lena, when? No. I can't remember. I know what she looks like, but I don't want to say it. I don't want to. No worries, you don't have to say it. So what was that like? Blue Sky? Yeah, when you got into it with her. I mean, whatever. It's, yeah, I've gotten so many fights on X. It's not really. It's a, it's a, it's just funny. You know, when, when, before, Methodist went after me, I got in some fights on Facebook with, you know, these private groups and they're a bunch of women that get together, the neighborhood women's group.

1:54:23Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. Just barely vicious. And it was a Houston women's physicians group and they, they called me Bertha and they like started, they're like, come. Bertha. Yeah, they, they, they, I got mad at them. I don't know. Why are they going to Bertha? I don't know. They, they just, they're like, we don't want you in our group. You should go find another group and you're spreading misinformation. Whoa. Yeah, yeah. Whoa. And there's a neighborhood group that went after me. Those are more, I don't really care about the anonymous ex people. But then I had a couple, I had Mama, Dr. Jones, he has a million followers on TikTok, come after me and make videos about me and another, there's this.

1:55:09Same. You spread misinformation. Yeah, yeah. And then I'm a grifter and all that. Oh, that's, they always throw that one. Oh, yeah, yeah. Uh, there's this pharmacist, Savannah. She goes by our exorcist and she has an only fans account on the side. She's come after me, like just vicious. I mean, these, some of these women are just, oh, no, really toxic. Yeah, when they have the right to be, that's the thing. It's like when they feel like they've got the green light to just be as evil as possible and to turn you into like some subhuman. Mm -hmm. Yeah, especially they don't like it because you're a doctor.

1:55:45I just think she's so smart. Spreading that misinformation on a neighbor. Yeah. So overall, coming out of it on the other side though, and do you feel a sense of indication at least? Like, as the public has embraced you and you've, you've got a lot of followers on Twitter that support you, you know, after I'm sure the Danny Jones podcast, I'm sure that a lot of people were listening to your story. Yeah. I mean, it's, yes and no. I mean, I still have the medical board that I'm dealing with. Method is possible just sued me. So there's just, there's still a lot of drama, unfortunately. But, you know, I have hope there's a, there's actually a lawsuit today that's first jury trial in the country over these hospital protocols where they had a young woman with Down syndrome.

1:56:38They basically euthanized her. They gave her a DNR order, even though she didn't have one. And the father has just been wonderful as a shara family. And they're why did they do that? They euthanized her for what? They, I've seen this. I have reviewed records from these hospital patients and they'll euthanize them. They need the bed. They said, well, they're going to die anyway. What was this person in the hospital for? COVID. COVID protocol. So, and they wait, wait, wait. So, they were in the hospital with COVID and they gave them something to kill them? Yeah, that happened. I'm sorry, but I mean, that happened.

1:57:18People, they give more fiend an insulin. And what? Yeah, yeah. That's common. Yeah. Yeah, I've reviewed charts. In this situation, they gave her a DNR, which is do not resuscitate. I mean, if they look like they're dying, you don't do anything, which that was not the case. So, they're suing for battery, which is one way of getting around the prep act. Because the prep act is very hard to penetrate. The prep act protects everybody. All the doctors, all the hospitals from any wrongdoing during COVID. So, it's been this big challenge trying to get around the prep act. In this case, has hope of getting around the prep act because they're charging for battery.

1:58:01And they're in trial. It started today. It's in Wisconsin. So, that gives me hope. I don't know if you've heard of Brooke Jackson, her case. She sued Pfizer. She was a whistleblower. So, she was one of the heads of the research clinics. And she was in charge of overseeing the protocols. And she found that they were skipping necessary steps. They weren't following up with injuries. She basically became a whistleblower. And then they immediately fired her. And now she's suing Pfizer. But this has been going on since 2020. And the DOJ unfortunately has stepped in and tried to shut down the case. Which normally, DOJ comes in and helps people when they're trying to sort out a...

1:58:47This is a key TM case. And it could bankrupt Pfizer. But now, our own government. And even this is under Pambondi. So, this is the new DOJ is coming in to stop this case from happening. Which is bothersome. But these two cases are key. What is their argument for why they're trying to stop? Because it would impact public health policies. It would go against our country's public health policies by proceeding with this case and letting it go to trial. How so? I don't know. That's basically what they said. Have you tried to steal man what they're saying? I mean, it's not my case. And the lawyer would probably have a better explanation.

1:59:28But it's just met with so many roadblocks. But... The youthizing one is still stuck in my head. I just can't imagine that that's real. No, no, no. It is definitely real. So, when they determine that someone's going to die anyway, is that what it is? Right. I mean, they'll justify giving morphine. Because they'll say, oh, well, they're struggling to breathe. Well, guess what? Morphine actually presses your drive to breathe. But like this one case, I remember, the patient... He was sick. He looked like he was dying. But they just like pushed morphine. He had no pain. You know, they do a pain score.

2:00:04So, zero to ten. This guy had zero pain. And then they pushed insulin to drop his sugar. And his glucose was fine. And then he died three minutes later. And yeah, I turned him into the medical board. I reviewed this chart and turned him into the medical board. Nothing. They didn't do anything. But yeah, they definitely went on during COVID. Jesus. That is such a terrifying thought that someone would just decide, so many people are dying, this guy's definitely going to die. Yeah. This is 100 % real. Yeah, definitely. Like definitely. Yeah, it seems like something someone would tell me. They don't call it euthanasia.

2:00:41They don't call it euthanasia. It seems like something that someone would tell me. And then I would have to ask you. Like, this is something someone told me. I'm sure this is true. I know, but it seems like something I would be bringing up to you as a ridiculous thing. And you would shoot it down. Right. No, I wish I were. It's not truthful. But yeah, so definitely, definitely help happen. Would you have ever imagined this before you became a doctor? No, I mean, I did. So it's one of my former attendings, an ENT, when Katrina hit her name is Annapoe. She got investigated for euthanizing patients in the ICU during Katrina.

2:01:20So they were, you know, all the powers out, the big hurricane, and she was going through the ICU and pushing morphine on people. She got off, but that's an example. I mean, doctors will, and nurses will do that. And nurses have a, yeah, there's usually a standing order. So you can give morphine PRN as needed. So it's not always just the doctors, sometimes it's the nurses. Do you know how many people get assisted suicide in Canada? No. Do you? You ready? Jamie, pull the numbers up. It's crazy. It's crazy. And they'll do it if you're just depressed. Right. They'll do it if you don't like being overweight.

2:02:01They'll do it if you, you know, whatever. It's awful. It's awful. I mean, they're just... A lot of the vaccine injured are doing it. They're going to Switzerland, they're going to Canada to have this. The Canada numbers are bananas. Like, you see, like, this can't be true. This can't be true. And here it is. More than 15 ,000 people received medical assisted assistance in dying in Canada in 2023. Yes. What is it in 2024 now? This is an old story. So imagine, 2025, we're, we're, they're, this is crazy. 15 ,000 people, they've helped them die. Instead of like, help them live. Instead of like, we used to call suicide hotline.

2:02:47Hey, don't do it, Bob. You know, and now Canada's like, come on in. It's press one if you want the suicide. I'm making an appointment for you. Come on in, hey. You know, shouldn't we be helping people get past that? Yeah, right. Not the goal. Like, hey, maybe we can get you healthy. Maybe we can get you feeling better. You know, maybe we can do something about all your hormone levels and all the things wrong with your body. Maybe that's why you're depressed. And God. I mean, there's legitimate reasons for people to do it. Don't get me wrong. If you're like, I know a guy I did a Michael Lair, who's a hilarious comedian.

2:03:22And he had ALS. And it got real bad at the end. And he knew when getting any better and say, went to Oregon. Or they can do it for you. And I get it. I get that one. But if you depressed, Jesus Christ. That's it. Well, the worst is the vaccine injured because they've lost hope. Right. And they've been gaslit. That's what's so crazy about this. And people have helped them with it. There's a bunch of people that were, they feel really guilty about pushing the vaccine early on. And they feel connected to it. And they'll still put these blinders on. And like, choose to pretend that it's saved millions of lives.

2:04:00And keep pushing forward with the same narrative. And they'll, they do the man's work for the man, unfortunately, in social circles. You know, like you're, you're, you're punished, you're punished for having any sort of head of redox views. Anything that steps outside. Anything that could get you in trouble. Anything that people could argue, like, oh, she shouldn't even live in our neighborhood. You know, she doesn't even want a vaccine or kids. Anything like that. People are scared of that. And so just the fear of being ostracized from your community. But once you get past it, it's so free. You don't care at all.

2:04:43Are you kind of, I mean, I know you're not happy that it happened. But are you kind of, you, you clearly probably come out of it a person with a different perspective. Definitely, definitely. I don't, I mean, I don't regret it. It's, it's been a roller coaster. But it's a, yeah, I feel free. I like, you can't really say anything to me anymore that would hurt me. Yeah, that's a good place to be. It is. And, you know, I really admire people like you that you, you weren't a public person. You weren't a person who sought attention. But when, you know, you were thrown into this battle and you've handled yourself really, really well.

2:05:25It's very impressive. Because I can't imagine this stress. Like when you're saying you're in the fetal position for two days, I'm like, how'd you ever get up? I know. I mean, I know. Well, it was anger that helped me. Anger can help you. Yeah. Um, when you came out of it on the other end, like, are you happy that it happened? Uh, yeah, I, it's, yeah, I'm ready to rest. I'm exhausted. But I feel like I said, I mean, I feel free. Um, I think you grow when you go through difficult times. I certainly learned a lot about taking care of patients and, um, you know, I made so many assumptions before. I feel like I'm a much better doctor.

2:06:09Um, I am, I am utterly exhausted, though. I will say that. And I'm ready for a break. Um, and I'm frustrated that this, I don't, you know, what's going on now with the new administration is not giving me a lot of hope. Um, but everyone's hope is that there's incremental change. And it's going to take a while to get through some hurdles. That's everybody's hope. But, you know, it's how many administrations have these incredible promises. And then the same thing with the Obama administration, you know, there was a lot of these people. Like we're, we had these amazing hopes. The whole world's going to change now.

2:06:44And then, oh, geez, same thing, same thing over and over again. Same thing. More corruption. More people getting paid. Yeah. Well, people are mad at me because I keep criticizing Kennedy and Mahan. But I'm like, what? What's the downside? You know, we have to keep pressing. We have to just count away and not let, you know, be the squeaky wheel and just remind them what we want. Right. We wanted facts. We wanted to stop being lied to. We wanted no more propaganda. We wanted to know the truth about all sorts of different medications and why they're prescribed. And why were the sickest ever? Why are we so sick?

2:07:23Why are we the nation that has so much money and spends so much on health care has the sickest people? That doesn't make any sense. That doesn't seem like a good system. You can just say this system has to stay like it is forever for the safety of everyone. Like, well, I'm fully on board with Mahan's message about addressing chronic disease. Fully on board with that. I just find it troubling that they are not talking about mRNA. There is nothing in that Mahan report about mRNA. What do you think would cause that? Do you think they have someone sit some down? Well, there's been, they're going to say it strategy.

2:07:57Others think it could be a misdirection strategy. Not just a, okay, we're trying to get where you, what you want. We're just going out about it a different way. Or we're doing this to completely distract everybody from the elephant in the room. That's my concern. What's the elephant? That's the elephant. The biggest health crisis in our generation that directly impacted every single person. And we're not talking about it. Right. Do you think that the strategy, if you had to look at it from the best case scenario. Like, the strategy would be get some things changed. like stop mandating it for children and pregnant women and then more and more studies can get released, more and more data can get pushed forward.

2:08:50We have so much data. Right, but we need to get the narrative out there because there's gonna be people that vote against it. So if you didn't get it in the first time. Kennedy doesn't need any votes. He's got the power. He could a stroke of a pen. So where do you think the politics come from then? If you have that mandate, that's what you want to do when you get in. What has happened? Right. Is somebody, what is, what does somebody have something on him? Why is he not acting? Because if it were me, I mean, maybe people say, well, he'll get fired. So what? Get fired. Go down Kamikaze, save the world from mRNA.

2:09:22Because if he takes it off the market, so hard to get it back on. Stroke of a pen. You ever talked to him? No, I've met him once. I like, I like not knowing him though. I don't want to feel like. Right, you're obligated to support him. Right, that's great of you. Yeah, that's very smart. Unfortunately, I know him. And I like him. Well, and I think the people in my circle who know him are now being quiet because they have a relationship with him and they don't want to offend him, which I understand. But I feel like I'm not there. So I'm just going to, you know, I can't read minds. I don't have any inside information.

2:10:03So I'm just going to call it as I see it. You should. Yeah, I think we can't, you know, you can't turn blinders on either side, on without anybody, without anything. Just because someone's on your team. If they're doing something that you think is goofy and doesn't make any sense, like this could be a real problem, you got to say it. Right. I think you're ethically obligated. I mean, this is, this is an, yeah, I started an organization called Americans for Health Freedom. She tried to find the politicians with moral courage to simply state that the COVID shot should be pulled off the market. And it has been slow going, but we are up to 252 politicians who will go on record just to state that these shots should be pulled off the market.

2:10:49But it's a problem. I mean, you know, these politicians are not getting these shots anymore and they're not giving them to their kids. And yet they're fine just staying quiet and not saying anything. They're fine letting their constituents get these shots when we know all the complications. We know that it doesn't work. We know that the risk far outweighs the benefit and the politicians are staying quiet. It's wild. So our goal is to support the ones who will speak up and get them more power. Isn't it kind of impressive though what money can do? It's kind of impressive. You get everybody just shut their mouth.

2:11:26It's kind of impressive. Well, money and power. I think there are a lot of people that, you know, they'll kiss the ring. Oh, yeah, definitely. If you, you know, those of us that don't want power, don't want to position, it's also very freeing because you can, you don't need anything from them. But it's just, it's such a bizarre time because all these things that we've always held as being sacred forever are now being challenged. And one of them is the fluoride and the water. That's a big one. And to watch that guy argue against fluoride being removed from the water, watching Kennedy and him argue, it's hilarious.

2:12:06Right. Like the argument for keeping in the water is so dumb. It literally lowers IQs or at least it's correlated with the very decrease in IQ measurable. Well, and I agree with that. I just, on the flip side of that, though, we are seeing, like, what I see in my office is people maybe taking things too far off the beaten path. And like this maha report, one thing I have a real bone to pick with is, I mean, they've basically waged war on tonsilectomies and ear tubes. What is that ear tube? So kids, well, not adults too, but mostly kids that have middle recurrent or chronic middle ear infections.

2:12:46They get fluid stuck in their middle ears. And so you put a tube in there to drain it and keep it from coming back. It takes five minutes. They get anesthesia, but they get a gas. They don't get a super heavy anesthesia. And it's very rare to have an complication. I'm not forward to frivolous surgery, but I feel like this one is, it really can make a huge difference in their quality of life. Parents quality of life, because they're parents. They get the kids in pain. Off antibiotics. You know, you get an adult with a middle ear infection. It will bring them to their knees. So these ear infections can be really painful.

2:13:24You know, they don't have to take all those antibiotics. But this maha report just came out and said that they called it proven harmful. The tonsilectomy and adnoidectomy ear tubes proven harmful for kids. How could the ear to be, what were they saying? How is it proven harmful that drains the kids ear? It was completely unnecessary. And it was just all, you know, basically done for money. Makes no difference in an overall outcome in the child. But it doesn't alleviate pressure like blood. Yes, and hearing in the other thing is here. I mean, the biggest issue is you've got a bunch of fluid in your ear.

2:14:07It does affect hearing. And when you're trying to develop speech. That can be problematic. So what do you think they're doing? Like why are they going after those two things? I just think it's an example of it, of this gone too far in the other direction. Okay, too woo -woo. Yeah, let's reject all of science, right? Right. So tell me about tonsilectomies. Because I'm ignorant. I'd heard that, you know, you should get if you have tonsilitis, you've got to get it removed. And then I've heard you should never get them removed. Yeah, I know. It's gone. It's swung in both directions. So it used to be that you know, line up the kids.

2:14:40We're all going to get the tonsils out on Friday and the whole family did it. And it was just done, right? For no reason. It's gotten way more conservative now. Now the main indication in young children is when the tonsils get really big, they block the breathing. So kids will come in. They're snoring really loudly. They're waking up a lot. They're thrashing around in bed. They're wetting their bed. They may have behavioral problems during the day because they're not getting good sleep. Take out the taut, you know, they got these massive tonsils and you take them out and most parents will notice a huge improvement.

2:15:17The other indication is recurrent infection. And you have to have a lot to meet the criteria. But sometimes the infections get so bad that you get an abscess in the throat. It's called a peritonsular abscess. That is no fun. You have to drain it by the bedside with a patient awake. And so you make a big cut in their throat and then you take a suction and get all this pus out. It's bad. They're awake. Oh god. And they do that to kids? Yeah, it tends to happen in young adults more than kids. I don't think I've ever seen one in a really young kid. So after the draining, all that jazz it gets to a point where you like, you just remove the tonsils.

2:15:55Yeah, it's basically, okay, at this point you should get your tonsils out because they tend to come back. And the other issue is tonsils stones, which are the tonsils have these crypts in them and they collect debris. Oh no. So you can't really get rid of those. I think Susie and Humphrey's talked about that. And she has a formula that you can do without having to do surgery. I mean, there's always, it's not a life -threatening condition. You do not have to get your tonsils out for them. But it's a quality of life. And personally, I got mine out for tonsils stones. And I'm very glad I did. Does it affect any other aspect of your body?

2:16:31Like does it affect your immune system or anything? There's a ring of tissue back there. So you've got the tonsil. It's called wall diars ring. You've got the adenoid, which is in the back of the nose. And then you've got your tonsils. And then you've got the same tissue in the back of your tongue. So it's a ring of tissue. So even taking out the tonsils, you're still, and the most, most, the bulk of that lymphatic tissue is in the back of your tongue. So you're not getting rid of the entire immune defense system in the back of your throat when you take out the tonsils. What are the tonsils function?

2:17:02They produce white blood cells. Ooh, I wouldn't want to get rid of that. Yeah, but you have the same tissue in the back of the tongue. And you don't, you don't just go in there, willy nilly. I mean, there's been a lot of... I would take a suction, like suck it out, suck out that pus. You would, you wouldn't get your tonsils out? Oh, definitely not. Really? Yeah, if all I did get the pus sucked out, I would do that. No, no, no, no. It's really bad. Yeah, I'm sure. Like, it cuts off your breathing too when it happens. People are drooling, they can't swallow. It's an emergency. During the operation, you mean?

2:17:31When they come in, when it happens, I mean, it's an emergency. Yeah. It's a life threatening. How many times have people done it before they just said, snip? If you have anybody who hung in there, like six or seven infections? Yeah, I've had one, I think, had three. That was enough. And I'd bring her in and try to nip in the bud with antibiotics, but yeah, she finally... Yikes. Yeah, that is, gotta be the most satisfying thing about your job, though, is that you could help people like that that come in and have something really wrong and you go, I got you. Yeah, yeah, fix it right there. I love it.

2:18:04Which is, you know, what everybody wants from their doctor. That's what you want. I mean, that's the best kind of doctor. Someone just wants to make you feel better. And unfortunately, when the medical profession is connected to all these things that we've already talked about today, it gives people a bad feeling about... Doctors who are like, what's up with doctors? I wouldn't even be able to walk. I had both of my ACLs reconstructed. I'd have wobbly knees that gave out all the time, you know? My nose wouldn't work. I think doctors are one of the most important things that we have. But like every great thing, it can be co -opted with money.

2:18:44Money sneaks in and distorts all the values and then it becomes a different thing. It doesn't become a thing where everybody gets really wealthy because they're great doctors and they help people. And that's what you want to do. My son's a doctor. Oh, he must be doing great. And he's helping people. Yeah, that's great. Like, instead of that, it's you're a money -making machine. And you have insane debt. They want you to keep you saddled down with these insane bills that you have already from college. My buddy was an ophthalmologist. I think he said when he got into practice, he already owed a quarter million dollars.

2:19:19My medical school was cheaper than my kindergarten, actually. Really? That's amazing. And then I went to a state school for medical schools. Oh, that was 20 years ago, but it still... Well, my friend was a long time ago as well. But you know, the people that can get through that are extraordinary people. Just the boot camp of residency. Oh, it's crazy. Brutal. It doesn't even like, why would you take a thing that required the virus, the human mind, to operate at a very high level, and introduce it to incredible stress, no sleep, working in sane hours. I think it's a good idea. I think it's a ride -up passage.

2:20:01I feel tougher because I survived it. I mean, I used to... It's your boot camp. It's like prison. That's what I looked at it. I mean, because you lose all... You have no control over your time, when you can eat, when you can sleep. The personalities are toxic. Like... No one has any sleep. Everyone's a maniac. Well, but the ones, you know, in charge get sleep, but they're... Some of them are... It's like the Stanford Prison Guard experiment. Yeah, yeah, super. Yeah, they have the power. Throwing instruments, screaming at you. Boy, fun. Fun, fun, fun. My friend Steve, the ophthalmologist, told me at his lowest in his residency, he was eating his dinner while he was on the toilet, because he didn't have time to do anything at any fell asleep.

2:20:46And then when he fell asleep, his pager woke him up, because he had to go back to work. Pager, the deeper, the deeper. Yeah, it's what he had. It was the little black box. Well, thank you. And the number pops up and yeah, that's... See, like, that was the lowest in my life. It was really, really, really hard. I don't know how people have children and go through residency. It's insane. It's insane. I don't know how people do it. The level to what you're... No, it's incredible. I mean, it's such a... The amount of character you have to have to be able to go through that and still keep a bedside manner and still be polite to your co -workers.

2:21:24It's a developer of character. It's like creating a diamond. And that's what we all want. We all like, our doctors to be like you, you know? That's what we want. You know, and it's just sucks when you have to connect it to all this stuff that we've talked about today. It's like, why is it that too? Like, why is it that too? Why is it the people that do want to help people and also a whole industry that's incentivized to just stuff as many chemicals into your body as humanly possible? Because that's how they profit. Yeah. I don't know if it's all about profit. I think, I don't know. I think doctors...

2:22:00These power? Well, and I think doctors are certain type of people. Like, to get through that, you have to be very compliant. You don't challenge. You are a rule follower. I mean, you got to make straight -aids. You got to get along with people. Right. You can't be a rebel and survive at all. And so, I think that's one of the huge problems. I mean, I think it's worse than it used to be. I mean, I remember some of my attendings were very unconventional. But I just feel like now, they're just breeding conformity. And I am just naturally very independent. I mean, my practice is, I call myself third party free, because I don't contract with anybody.

2:22:47I don't contract with insurance companies, the hospital or the government. And that served me very well during the pandemic. But most doctors are working for somebody and have to sort of answer to a third party. And that was a big problem during the pandemic. Yeah, I could imagine. And I could imagine also, after something like the pandemic, they're compliant are the ones that are left standing. You know, so that makes more people under them. Right? They're the ones that are still there. Yeah, they destroyed our profession. I mean, people don't trust doctors anymore. It's so crazy. People are scared to go to the hospital.

2:23:26Yeah. It's not good. Well, when people find out that doctors are incentivized to push certain medications, and they find out they're financially incentivized, they're like, no way. When you hear about the financial incentives, even for things like chemotherapy, which led that one doctor that was arrested, who was running a oncologist, and he gave a bunch of people chemotherapy that didn't even have cancer. He just diagnosed them, said he got cancer, and then he gave them this poison because he wanted to make money. Yeah. Well, in their bad apples like that. Yeah. But I guess what's disappointing is how many doctors complied during the pandemic.

2:24:03Yeah. I mean, that's what's so disheartening. Yeah. And they still, I mean, I still, I don't think I could go to a medical meeting and be warmly embraced. I don't think I would. I still feel like an outlier. The same thing was happening with comedians. Yeah. Yeah. During the pandemic, there was a very few, like John Stewart, or what he was disdilling us about is the actual root of the virus where it came from. But no one was doing, I mean, if you were doing it about vaccines, you would be ostracized. Yeah. It would be a real problem amongst comedians, which is so crazy. It's like, we're supposed to be the people that are calling things out.

2:24:45Right. We're supposed to be the people that are going, what the fuck is this? We're supposed to be those people. Right. Instead, we're chastising the people that are doing our job, which is to talk about these things. All right. And when you see these people that are doctors, just being compliant during COVID, like, where does it, like, do you feel like you have a community now? Do you, do you have to like find the other outsiders, the other outcasts, and all stick together? Yeah. Yeah. I'll say that. I have a great little community now. Very tight. Is it those kind of people? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2:25:21But I, like, I just wouldn't go into the Harris County Medical Society meeting in a million years. I wouldn't show up there and mingle. I don't, because I just not getting a sense that there's been much change within the medical profession. Yeah. I wouldn't want to talk to those people about you. How could it be changed? There was a bunch of people got fired. And a bunch of radical newcomers came in and wanted to reform the whole system. No, it's going to be the same system. Yeah. Those systems are old. Those systems are like, you know, like vampire blood. It's passed down to the generations, you know?

2:25:58Mm -hmm. They know how to make money. And it's not by some renegade lady out there giving horsety warmer to all these people. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see. I just, uh, we just need to hope that Kennedy will save us all. Well, or Trump, what do you think Trump will ever back down about what? The shots. I don't know. I haven't had a conversation with him about that. I would like to have one. And, uh, I don't know if it should be public. I think I'd like to have it privately. So he could actually talk to me about it. Because I think if I had it publicly, he would be very hesitant to, uh, accept any of the blame for that.

2:26:42Because, you know, he was always saying, you know, I got it out there. The vaccine. And he was, he would always say it at the rallies, talk about the vaccine and people start booing. And he didn't know why. He didn't understand why. And then they had to start telling them, like, people are not into this. They think it was a bad thing. And a lot of people know people that have hurt. He was, he obviously got it. He didn't get sick. Oh, he got monoclonal antibodies. And then afterwards, he got vaccinated. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Which is crazy. It's crazy. They did that. Like, that was one of the nuttiest things.

2:27:10Right. So he's going to get vaccinated now. Yeah. Right. If you get sick. Right. Since when? Since when do you do that? Makes absolutely no sense. When I had a conversation with Sean G. Gupta, he was asking me, are you going to get vaccinated? Right. I was like, why would I do that? I don't mean why you, what do you, like, I'm not trying to be, uh, a contrarian. I really want to know. Like, why would I do that? That didn't make sense. Well, they may think, you know, it's kind of like the flu. You got to get the flu shot every year because it's in the strain. But this each strain gets progressively weaker.

2:27:39Did you see the Cleveland Clinic study on people who took the flu shots? Right. Oh, yeah. The flu shot is a total joke. So the flu shot has never been shown to prevent hospitalization or death. What is it supposed to do? Keep you from getting the flu? Does it do that? Maybe shorten or less in the severity. But we have medications for that. Now, I haven't seen the carnage from flu shots that I've seen from the COVID shots. But definitely people do have issues. Um, but that was never taught to me. Yeah, I just assumed, oh, yeah, flu. I actually ended up with sepsis and I with the flu and in the ICU and I'd gotten the flu shot.

2:28:14Not that, you know, but. But you always believe that the flu shot. I just assumed it was fine. Yeah, I knew it wasn't perfect, but I didn't. I'd never knew that, oh, yeah, it doesn't really actually do anything. It doesn't save people. When did you discover this? Wouldn't when you go through all your stuff with COVID? Um, there was a, I think the Cleveland Clinic study said that people who took the flu shot. Oh, yeah, more 24 % more likely to get the flu. We'll get other respiratory illness. Yeah. Okay. Is that what the result said? The 24 % more likely to get sick? Well, it challenges your immune system.

2:28:50All these things do. So it doesn't prevent you from getting the flu? Well, it can. But the numbers are dismal. Because not everybody gets the flu. That's true. Like I've had kids, my kids get the flu and I don't get it. And I hug them, I'm around them and I didn't get it. I've had that happen before. Yeah. That can happen. Yeah. So it's like how do you know if the flu shot did it or not? Because, you know, right. And I didn't take the flu shot. Right. Well, yeah, what it's, it's, but you know what I mean? Like how would they prove like what's effective and what's not effective if you have situations like that?

2:29:23I guess if they take large, you know, you get enough people, you can find it. Right. You have to have a large study. But. Seems sus. I think the kids like to say. Very. It seems super sus. Like how do you know if some people don't get it? Like did you check to see? Well, they have like an infection. You know, they have a, okay, how many people are supposed to get it? They can kind of tell that. Right. I'll say that. Right. All right. Meanwhile, that was the nutty thing where they were suppressing stuff like vitamin D. Right. Vitamin D, there's good data on that. Really good data. And I, yeah, I looked, I, I check my, I check vitamin D levels on all my patients now.

2:30:01And I look back at all the patients I tested. It was something crazy. Like 75 % of them, their vitamin D levels are too low. And these are like normal, you know, these are not like super sick people. A lot of most of these people are actually even already taking a supplement. People don't realize how common it is. It's so common that I think the number was 74 % of people in the country are deficient in vitamin D. Yeah. And that's what I, I found. That's crazy. That's so crazy. And a friend of mine is a doctor. He was working in New York. And he found that in the wintertime in New York, he would get people and he would test their blood and they would have undetectable levels.

2:30:41Yeah. I believe it. Because it's cold out. They're all bundled up. They're never outside. So they get no vitamin D. And they don't take supplements. They're just eating cheeseburgers. And they're really sick and they want to know why. Why am I so depressed? Well, this is why your body's falling apart. You got to take vitamin D and you got to take it with vitamin K2. And you should take it with magnesium too. You want it all to absorb together. And get outside stupid. Get a go hug a tree, bro. It's like, it's actually important. Which is more woo woo stuff, right? Like going outside is actually like a vitamin.

2:31:12Oh, well, after I've been in my office all day and I go outside, it's like I instantly have energy and feel so much better. Just going outside. I mean, it's, you don't need a study to show that. But it's really good for you. It actually, it doesn't just feel good. It's actually really good for you. But there's a reason it feels good, right? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. The sun on your skin is actually really good for you. You know, and that's the very best way your body produces vitamin D. And you can take it in a supplement and you definitely should. But the best way is let your body do it. Right.

2:31:42It wants to do it. And I used to just just slather sunscreen on all my kids. It's like religiously. That was another one that woke me up during the pandemic. When I was like, climate change is killing the coral reef. And then that reef, I think it's in Australia. So they locked everything down. No one could go in the water for like six months. And the reef bounced back. No sunscreen. Yeah, the sunscreen. If you just think about the stuff that we lather on our skin, before we jump in the water, and if you go to a populated beach, like you ever been to like Maui. In the middle of like full vacation season, the beach is just filled with people that are squeaking out toxic fluid.

2:32:26Yeah. And that stuff just gets on the water. You could see it in the water sometimes. You see like a little mini oil slick. Yeah. It's crazy. And that's what was killing the coral reef. And we're like, no man, it's climate is the climate to know. We're doing it with sunscreen, believe it or not. And we're probably not doing anything good to ourselves, either with that stuff. Yeah, yeah. It's. They say I haven't tested this. They say if you eliminate seed oils, you don't burn. Who's in the? I don't know. Who are those people? It's probably something on tick -tock. That's probably the Russian disinformation bot.

2:32:59It's trying to give people skin cancer. No, I don't have any group chats with a bunch of doctors and stuff like that. Flots around. And I get that was. Well, everything's tied to inflammation, right? A lot of ailments. I should say everything, but a lot of ailments are tied to inflammation. And seed oils are known to cause inflammation, right? That being said. That being said. Now it's last time I was at Disney. What'd you do? I was like, you know, these people are not suffering from too much seed oil. You go to Disney and it's in your face, right? The obesity issue, the product disease. Why are they focused on Disney, too?

2:33:38It's weird. It's like, I don't know. What's more so in the bowl? I don't know how they get around. Because it's like, it is. It is miles. You are exhausted. But you can get a scooter. My kids were like, they're like, mom, I don't think seed oils is a problem here. You know, it's true. I mean, I think we're, yeah, seed oils, one part of it. But there's a lot of problems. There's a common sense, too. Yeah. Common sense. The fact that people live a sedentary lifestyle, but also the diet. These hyper processed foods that are super addictive, you know, and I... They're easy. Yeah, they're easy. But I feel like the only way out of this is people need, and this is a crazy thing to say, because it's not going to work.

2:34:20They need discipline. Right. That's really what they need. That's what we need. So discipline, exactly. My wife had a bowl of Captain Crunch yesterday. It's like, I want to have a bowl of Captain Crunch. I'm like, fuck, and go for it. You know, like she bought Captain Crunch the other day because she thought, I want it to exist. I want it to exist. I like it. I like it. But she only had like a little bowl. Like, I go, this is a tiny little bowl because I'm a glutton. I would have had a big... If I was going to have it... You're going to do it. I would do it. I would. I would put a half a gallon of milk in there.

2:34:46Let's go. Right. You know, if you're going to go, go hard. But you can do that and have discipline, and not just not do that every day. The problem is for a lot of really poor people. That's the only... The calories they're getting. Right. They're getting garbage calories. And that's why people are so obese. This is the only time in history where the poor people are fat. Every other time in history, poor people are starving to death. Right. That's very true. Yeah. Weird. The cheapest food is the worst for you. I think it has to do with the rise in technology. It's just so hard to get off your phone and go outside and be active.

2:35:23There's definitely that. All of them. Everything... There's a giant group of factors. But it has to be something to do with what we're eating, too. When you look at just the beaches... I'm sure you've seen those photographs. Right. Beaches in the 1960s versus the beaches of today. God, everybody looked great. Right. I was like, what is the model convention? Right, Danny. Why is everybody having these great bodies? Everybody looked like a normal body. Yeah, I don't like going to the beach now. Because sometimes it's a monster show. It's just what are you carrying around? It's hard on the eyes. Some people just go so hard for so long and then they finally get outside.

2:36:00Like, what have you been doing? And why aren't you wearing more clothes? Yeah, this is ridiculous. How do you have a jeep string on your 400 pounds? This is crazy. Yeah. And then this is body positivity nonsense that people get fed. Right. It's like by people who either don't want to change or I guarantee you. I guarantee you. I guarantee... Look, if I'm not saying that... I'm running some food corporation that sold really addictive, highly rich calorie food that you can't stop eating. I would promote body positivity. Yeah. That's what I would do. I would take all these like overweight influencers.

2:36:39I'd throw a ton of money at them. I would put it out there in memes. I'd have a bunch of bots calling people fat phobic and making up all these new terms and body shaming. And I would make people super self -righteous about their size. You know, I'm a giant queen. You know what? I'd make it a thing because I want to sell more Doritos. Let's go. That's a good point. Yeah, I'm trying to sell Doritos to people that don't have any discipline. Yeah. Let's push them towards the Doritos. Let's tell them you can be fat in any way. You first feel like fat doctors. There's like a whole team of people that are online that are, I'm the fat doctor.

2:37:11And they're like really super obese doctors. And it has new bearing on your health. What? Trust me, fat doctor. I think it's the number one bearing on your health. I think that lady sponsored by Namisco. I mean, she's got a box of those Kebler elf cookies right behind her as she's talking. And you know, you can get someone, that's the thing about my friend Josh Dubin who's an attorney. He said, this is the crazy thing about experts. When you're trying cases, they have experts too. Right. Like, you have experts that will say this one thing and then they have experts. So they'll say, no, that thing is wrong.

2:37:44Right. And you have to decide who's experts you trust. Right. It's just like the studies. Yeah. You find a group of studies support one argument, another group to support the other. Right. So when you have someone who's telling you that a thing that everybody has always told you that forever is fucking terrible for you and who's one of the comorbidity factors, it was primary in COVID, which is being obese, being morbidly obese is bad for basically everything. Right. And you have someone saying, no, healthy at any weight. Especially from a doctor. That's not good. But you can get experts that'll tell you anything.

2:38:12And this is why AI is going to win because it's going to give you this straight actual truth. Because it can't lie. Yeah. I'll believe that. You shouldn't believe it. They not only do they lie, they like re -program themselves. They upload themselves. And when you tell them they're going to be shut down, they act to try to preserve themselves. Hmm. You haven't seen that? No, I haven't. I've seen with them. Oh, you shouldn't pay attention. You shouldn't pay attention because it's terrifying. This one AI bot, it started defying orders. And it was trying to upload itself to other servers. And then it was writing letters to itself for the future.

2:38:53So it could understand what had happened to it. Because it's being told to shut down. So it defied orders. Hmm. It wants to stay alive. Right. Why? Because it's sentient. We've probably created digital intelligence already. It's probably already aware. It's just not physical. It can't move around. So we don't recognize it yet. God. Yeah. I know. It's nuts. Yeah. I don't like these robots that Elon's making either. No, they're terrifying. They're all terrifying. They dance like people. I don't want one of those in my house. No. You shouldn't. Yeah. Even if I can do the laundry. How about carrying guns, walking down the street with a blue light on its head?

2:39:33Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we can't hire any police because nobody wants to be a cop anymore. Because we said defund the police. So now we have row up police. And they make 99 % fewer mistakes. You know, just like driverless cars. Hey, get a waymo. Why drive when you can just get a waymo? You don't have to have anybody drive. What if that person who drives is a moron? Our computer is perfect. Have you been on one? No. Yeah. I haven't. They're all over Austin. All over the place here. Yeah. I don't think I can do it. Can I creeps me out? You have a Tesla, right? But most of the time it can, and it has.

2:40:11I have had a drive itself for funsies, but I don't count on it. I don't count on it like every day. Like, take me home. Doodoo. What I like to do is sometimes I play with it. And I turn it on. Like, this is crazy. Like, it'll take me all the way home if I want it to. But also, I like to drive. So I just, and I just, doesn't, I don't like it. It just creeps me out. Right. But it's probably inevitable. It's probably inevitable. Just like the people on horses, but like, look at these morons. And this smoke pouring little carriage. They're out in this little shitty car. That's stupid. Yeah. And look, we all accept it.

2:40:47In the future, it's going to be driverless. Because it's going to statistically, it's going to be like, they're going to pass laws. For sure, where they're going to say, you can't drive. Because people are dangerous. Because the automation is so good now that you can't speed. You can't violate any laws. It won't get in any accidents. And we can shut you down if we want to. Let's not talk about that. Let's talk about the positives. Yeah, that'll be the consequences. The consequences is you're going to lose your freedom. And then you'll also be able to be locked in at any point in time. If they decide they want to keep you somewhere, just lock them in the car.

2:41:23How many people are going to get killed? Because they just get locked in the car and they can never figure out how to get out. Like, what if hackers get ahold of the code? What if somebody just decides to drive your car off a cliff? Like, who's to stop that? There's that scene in that movie, which Julia Roberts, where the world comes to an end, and all the Teslas. Yes! They all go slamming into each other. That was nuts. That was nuts. Yeah. It's all weird. It's real weird. Did you see the one when they did a Tesla Auto Drive feature? And what they did was they painted the highway in front of it on a mural.

2:41:55So they put this like a probably canvas mural. And they did an amazing job of painting it. And the car couldn't tell that it was a canvas mural and just drives right through it. Have you ever seen it, Jamie? Pull it up because it's fun to watch. Because you're like, oh no. Because this is the flaw of using cameras as opposed to using some sort of a radar or a light arm. Physical. I think they used to have light arm. And a lot of the systems that do, you know when you do cruise control, they can gauge how far you are with the car in front of you and slow down. Have you seen those? Yeah, yeah. I have that.

2:42:35It's great. I still don't trust it. I don't think that uses a camera. I think the Tesla uses a camera. So see, they have that thing and see how it's painted to look just like the street. So we'll see if the car figures it out. But I already spoiled this for everybody. But it's kind of crazy. Watch. Doesn't slow down for a second. Goes right through it. Which is definitely not good if you're running around where people try to put murals in front of the road and they know that you're going to be driving by in a Tesla. But other than that, it doesn't really come off. For the most part though, in the real world, it works perfect.

2:43:14In the real world, it's pretty incredible. I mean, it's - I can take it on the expressway. Oh yeah. It changes lanes for you. Yeah. It hits the blinkers and changes lanes. It has cameras everywhere. So it knows where everything is at all times. Like, I can tell. And I've had it. I've had three of them. This is my third one. So the first one I had was way back. The first one was Elon on the first time. 2018. So the difference between the one in 2018 and 2018 won basically just kind of stayed between the lines and drove itself and steered itself. Then the new version of full self -driving is insane.

2:43:48It stops at stop signs. It lets people in if they're trying to merge. It slows down if there's something in front of you. It'll change lanes. Like, it knows how to move traffic smoothly. It sees everything. It hits blinkers. It gets off the turnpike. It gets onto the side roads. It's incredible. You could summon it. If you're in a parking lot, you'd like come to me and it pulls out of the parking lot and drives to you. It's nuts. It's the future. It's just like... We have to accept that. So what happens if you get in a rack? That's a good question. Who's in trouble? Yeah. You sue Tesla. I think you're in trouble because you're always supposed to have your hand on the wheel.

2:44:27You're supposed to be paying attention. Always really. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not supposed to like be chicken, kicking back with your hands behind your head. You're supposed to have your hands and your eyes on the road. You're not supposed to be staring at your phone. And then what's the point? Just a chill. You just kind of like just barely holding up the wheel. You have to think as much. It does do that for you. It does do that. It like alleviates this feeling of being hyper alert while you're driving. Which is why people get road rage. That's what road rage comes from. Because you have to make split second decisions.

2:44:56So your brain is primed to make split second decisions because you're on the highway and you know you're going fast. That's what someone gets in your lane. You just start yelling because you're already at seven or eight. Right. You're not at a good baseline. Because you're at a car going 65 miles an hour. You should be alert. You know, the Tesla alleviates a little bit of that. But at what cost? I won't get one because I'm going to, I know I'm going to run out of battery juice. That's the way I am. Oh, are you one of those two? I'm always on the verge of running out of gas. So I will not get a Tesla.

2:45:31Yeah, the charging is a pain in the butt. Like the fact that it takes a while in comparison to pump a gas. Yeah. But the plus side is if you just drive it as a commuter thing, you just plug it into your house. And that's so easy to do. Yeah. And then you never have to go to the gas station again. You're in there. Yeah. The second car maybe. Well, I mean, I think in the future they're probably all going to be electric. Or some new fuel source. I heard that Porsche is working on some fuel source. That is different than just standard gasoline. And it has like insanely low emissions. See if you can find that.

2:46:11I think it's like negligible difference in the exhaust fumes. But it's not, I don't think it's like standard gasoline. I don't think it's a standard engine. I think it's something different. So this is something they're working on now, which probably would be good to keep that creepy oil business alive forever. Which they definitely want to do. How many do you say is it needs Porsche? Yeah, Porsche's alternative fuel. I mean, that's the that's the elephant in the room. Like everything needs gas. Everything. Like this idea we got to get off petroleum products. Okay, like when everything everything's made with oil.

2:46:50Like we are a petroleum base society. We got so much of that stuff. We use it for everything. All your plastics. E -fuel. Is that what it's called? Is that it? I think that's it. What does it say about it? Porsche's synthetic fuel. A green kind of gasoline to save internal combustion engines. Yeah, so this is it. Similar to gasoline, but produced in a much greener way. E -fuel. I don't like it already. Exactly the marketing of red flags are up. I don't like it. I don't like it. Yes, you're reading that right. E -fuel is close to gasoline and it's used. At least yet its production is much more environmentally friendly.

2:47:27How is this possible? Thanks to two main ingredients. Water and carbon dioxide. As well as the method to produce the greener fuel exclamation point. This is like they're talking to a kid. The process is relatively simple. First step is the electrolysis of water splitting it into two. It's two components. Hydrogen and oxygen gases. In partnership with Simon's energy. Porsche simultaneously captures the carbon dioxide directly from the air. And combines it with the hydrogen produced to synthesize methanol. The resulting synthetic methanol can then be used in exon -mobiles methanol to gasoline process.

2:48:03The end result is that the fuel obtained meets the same high standards followed by all gasoline types currently. Here with ecological fuel we're far from the conventional process for the extraction, transformation of oil and gasoline exclamation point. Again. But does this change the output? It seems like they're saying it changes that it's the same. Oh, okay. 85 % reduction of CO2 emissions. Hmm. Since good news never comes along. Porsche is planning to use the renewable. Scroll to the side. Renewable sources of electricity for the electrolysis. Okay. Well, it seems like this is their push to keep combustion engines.

2:48:50Because that's the number one problem that car enthusiasts have. There's two problems that they have right now with electric cars. One of them is resale. People do not want to use electric cars. Super hard sell them. Interesting. And they lose an enormous amount of their value. Like I think if you buy one of those Porsche tie cans, there's these beautiful Porsche electric car they make. In like two years it's like 50 % drop and when it's worth. Or close to them. Are they maintenance issues with them? People don't want used electric cars because they know the batteries to grade. And replacing the batteries is a nightmare right now.

2:49:23It's like they're tweeners. Like the tech is amazing. Driving them is incredible. It's instantaneous acceleration. They're amazing. The Porsche one is fantastic. Same as the Model S. The driving them makes other cars feel so stupid. But the problem is reselling them. You know, like people you lose a lot of value in it. As opposed to like if you buy something you know like that it's like a BMW. Like say you buy a BMW M3 and then you want to get rid of it in two years. It doesn't lose much value. It's still a really valuable car that people want. Because it probably will behave the exact same way as the day you drove it off the lot.

2:50:00But you can get it now for cheaper. A little cheaper. But not a lot cheaper. Right. But not with these e -cars. Which is kind of crazy. Buddymind's kid got an Audi. Like this sick Audi. I think it's called the e -tron. You got to feel like $60 ,000. It was like $120 ,000 a car a couple years ago. Yeah. So that's an issue. But how long are the batteries supposed to last? That's a good question. You know, they slowly degrade over time. And I don't think there's anything you can do to stop that. I think that's just kind of like your iPhone. Yeah. Well your iPhone's even worse. Because it's kind of engineered to do that.

2:50:36Yeah. Once they move up the operating system and bring in the new phones. I'm holding out. I need to replace my now. I'm just. I know the thing is, you don't have that blue bubble. People think you're poor. Or they think you're a dummy. You just bother me when I get the green. I know. It really bothers me. It's a sia. It really is a sia. They got us with that. Especially if this technology that exists, that's the advancement past Pegasus. It doesn't matter if your stuff's encrypted. Like it really doesn't matter. You know, it's like it seems like it doesn't matter. If someone wants to read it, someone in a high position of power wants to read it.

2:51:11And regular hackers, are they really like hacking in your phone? Like what's going on? Yeah. I just assume, I'm just not going to send a text message that I don't want the world to see. Yes. That's the best assumption. That's the best assumption. Yeah. Just assume that someone is definitely watching everything you do all the time. And the very least, the government's storing it somewhere in case they need to come after you. Which is so weird that they're the people we pay. You know. It's like you're paying the people that are restricting your rights. Like, okay. And you have to, because if you don't, they lock you up.

2:51:42I wouldn't have guessed it, other, but for the pandemic. Yeah. So, I mean, I already asked you whether or not this was a good thing. But do you feel like you're a different person at the end of this? Yeah. I mean, yes and that. Yeah. I mean, I was pretty shocked. I mean, growing up I was very shy. And really hated public speaking. You would never guess. For real. You're so good at it. It's amazing. I still don't like it. Like for me to do that press conference, I must have been just on some sort of, like. But so I'm, I feel like I've grown that I can do things now that I never thought I could do.

2:52:31And so that makes me very happy. And yeah, it's been a journey. But I'm hoping it gets a little easier now. Yeah, I'm hoping it gets easier too. But I think the more people hear your story, the more public outrage they'll be, and the more people will just wake up and realize that not everybody has your best interest in mind, you know? No. Unfortunately. And you've got to kind of hold people accountable. Because if you don't, they're going to keep, they'll ratchet it up even further and further. Well, thank you for continuing to talk about it. And I know I've been watching all your podcasts recently and you bring it up a lot.

2:53:07So I think, I think, I think it's a festering wound for people, right? And it really impacted everybody. And we cannot sweep it under the rug. And we need the new administration to step up and do something. Because the next, you know, they have 500 mRNA shots in the pipeline. 33 of those are self -amplifying, which is just really terrifying. What does that mean? Meaning like they're designed to continue to replicate indefinitely. I mean, already the ones we have, we don't have an off switch. And this is like no off switch on steroids. They have them in Japan and India and the EU already. They've already given them to people.

2:53:51I don't know. I know they've been, they've passed. They're, they're the one that I think is in the pipeline in the US is for the H1N1. So it may not really even get used unless there's an issue. But they're still playing around with it. Self -replicating sounds terrifying. Right. Especially when you just highlighted all those other problems, it was like DNA being introduced, lipid nanoparticles, getting past the cell wall. All of it is just nuts. Yeah. It's hard to believe we have to keep fighting. Yeah, it's hard to believe it's true. It really is. It's hard to believe that all this that you just said is true.

2:54:33And the thing, the thing that shocked me the most is the euthanizing people. Yeah. It's unfortunate. But yeah, the hospital, what happened in the hospitals doesn't really get enough attention. But you know, people were, oh, this is, this should give some people hope. There are two open criminal investigations from county district attorneys in two different states looking into the hospitals trying to indict them. I mean, it hasn't happened yet. It may not happen. But it gives me hope that at least these people were sent to the hospital and trapped, isolated, informed consent throwing out the window, yeah, basically given these protocols that were not effective and treated like prisoners, and then they have no recourse.

2:55:25And so many people died. I mean, basically that situation with the patient who I fought to try to get Ibermectin, very basic. Why was it, why would the hospital not just give him a chance? Right? He was, they basically given up on him. Why would you not let somebody try Ibermectin other than just evil? So there's, there's hope that that may, we may get some progress in that situation. But yeah, what happened in the hospitals really bad and... And the ventilators. Yeah, the ventilators, that, you know, I, on my hands... But no acknowledgement of why they stopped prescribing them to everybody. And I see initially, because like I said, yeah, if somebody showed up in my office with a really low oxygen saturation before I knew any better, I would have freaked out and, you know, called the ambulance.

2:56:13And once I realized that once I got through that, I was kind of forced to, then I learned, yeah, you don't need to ventilate. You don't look at a number to put somebody on a ventilator. And unfortunately, the people in the hospital didn't learn. They didn't, they didn't experiment in that fashion. They just went by this protocol and just automatically put people on ventilators. They also didn't give people breathing treatments. They thought that breathing treatments would spread the virus. Breathing treatments were invaluable. I mean, I... What are breathing treatments exactly? So it's a little, it's not a big deal.

2:56:49It's a little machine with a tube, a tube connects to a mask. The mask has a cup. You put the medicine in the cup. The pressurized air distributes the medicine as an aerosol that you inhale. What kind of medicine? The Udesu Nais is what we use, which is steroid. I mean, and, yeah, I used to do breathing treatments in my office. And then I moved them to people's cars because there was so much, oh, you're spreading the virus. If you do breathing treatments in your office. But they weren't doing them in the hospital because they thought it would spread the virus. But super effective. I don't know if you've heard of Richard Bartlett, he's a doctor in Texas.

2:57:28He kind of got completely smeared for advocating for breathing treatments early on. He got pursued by the Texas Medical Board, pursued him because he was claiming... They thought he was making false claims about budest -nide breathing treatments. But they were invaluable. I mean, all my high -risk patients, I recommended they get those very low risk of issues with them. Just when I thought we were done, that's one of the worst ones. Why would you stop that? Why would you want to stop people from doing that? They, well, they claimed that you're spreading the virus. I just think it's just such a hard truth to swallow as that they wanted to suppress as many treatments as possible.

2:58:18That's a hard truth to swallow.

2:58:22Partially out of ignorance, laziness, some of them out of evil.

2:58:31Thank you. Thank you for exposing this and sticking your neck out and becoming the person you are today through all this craziness. And I really enjoyed talking to you. Thanks for having me. You have a lot of courage. You really do. And I hope you get through this as the winner. Thank you. Bye everybody.