#2349 - Danny Jones

59:51No I want to beat up their dad But other than that I don't really give a fuck if there's like 18 to 19 year olds that are doing this stuff As long as they're not being like Actually like physically raped But I mean it seems like What's going on is just like this weird Coltish thing where they Slowly get you get creep Torque creep closer and closer And closer to this thing like oh i'm here now All these famous people are here They're doing this like A lot of parties, lots of money Everything you want, the golden carrot at the end of the stick So the thing is he's not even being charged For any of the things he just brought up He's not being charged for blackmail Which is kind of crazy Because like what did they do Why did they tell us that there was all these videos Of all these high profile people And then silence And then it never comes up once during the trial There's none of that stuff in the trial And the trial it was his ex -girlfriend Cassie They were talking about So like he's up for These two charges left And it's like prostitution It's like nothing stuff It's like stuff that he's going to go to jail for like five years If at all and probably won't And he's already been in jail for So like what is time served now?

1:00:57It's over a year right? No i think he's going to walk I think he's going to walk too And this is what Kurt Metzger called a long time ago As soon as he saw that it was a Comey's daughter He was like oh he's going to walk Trust me he's going to walk There's a bunch of high profile people that are connected to this They're covering it all up If he goes down they go down So he's not going to go down So that's the thing like if he really If he really did have like really wealthy High profile people at his parties Which we know he did Did he prosecutors abandon multiple Outgations against rapper days four trials And hey he says Hey remember i called it This is Kurt Metzger on Twitter Because James Comey's daughter is the prosecutor Remember how well she slept up Sweeped up on the gist lane trail Hey who else called it?

1:01:42Yep i can't be the only one Yeah he called it He called it in the fucking green room Of the mother shit Right when he found out He goes he's going to walk I'm like what are you talking about Have you heard these charges He's going to go to jail No Metzger was right And then we i don't know what happened And you don't think they could fake the moon landing Shut the fuck up Shut the fuck up They got videotape And then also they don't You know you have the director of the FBI on the show Saying there's no if there was And nothing you're looking for is on those tapes Like what? Why did they say there was thousands of hours Of tapes of people doing horrible shit Why did they say that?

1:02:26Didn't Pam Bondi say that? I'm talking about Epstein or Diddy? Yeah Epstein Yeah she said it literally i think a week before you had the FBI director sitting here Taught telling you there was nothing right? She said something about that there was like Thousands of hours of tapes of people doing horrible crimes And didn't the FBI dude say that there was nothing Cash Patel said there's nothing you're looking for Okay I mean what am I going to do? I'm going to push back Obviously he's saying what he has to say Mystery surrounds the Jeffrey Epstein files after Bondi claims tens of thousands of videos Tens of thousands Jesus Christ I'll tell you what Oh my god Was reviewing tens of thousands of videos The wealthy financial financier with children or child porn The comment made the reporters the White House days after a similar remark To a stranger with a hidden camera raise the stakes with President Donald Trump's administration to prove It has in its possession previously unseen compelling documents or Just bomb me ran and everybody forgot just bomb me ran Yeah everybody forgets about it Yeah, it seems crazy That we're just like it like you would I would think Just Trump's demeanor his mo towards other countries like if we're the ones Funding them giving them all this money and they're trying to fight a war Typically he would be putting their boot his boot on their neck like listen you motherfucker Talking shit right like you have to do what I want you to do And it just seems like And now I think it just came out a couple days ago That They're trying to prosecute Netanyahu right and then Trump's helping with it I think trying to help him Netanyahu and that in that hole Riggum or all they're trying to try him while he's yeah while he's in office Right and I think that he's trying to delay it because he's like look where it war right and they decide to go through with it Yeah, yeah, and I think something came out I think a couple days ago.

1:04:21I could be wrong But I was listening to I was listening to Dave Smith talk about how Trump was actually like helping him through this I don't know. It could be wrong. Okay. Here's says during a Fox News Channel interview in February Bondi suggested an alleged Epstein client list was sitting on her desk. Yeah Well, the list is one thing right? I mean there's so many people on the list that are probably innocent But I They just went to the island for a party. No, there's gotta be a fucking hard drive. It's gotta be sitting in Tel Aviv right now. Yeah That's the other part of this too Uh, they asked Max was lawyers what the Shit was it?

1:04:58He had like a hundred cameras in that panic and every single house Do you know his houses for sale in New York? That's amazing. Yeah, and they've had a podcast studio No, my wife found it on Uh, Trulia or whatever it is. Yeah, one of the maps and she's like, what is Buke's we were in the townhouse? Yeah, it's like it's not a townhouse. It's a it's a house It's like it's a big -ass house. It's like multiple stories the one right across the street from Central Park Uh -huh. Yeah, that one. It's for sale right now How much I think it was like 60 or 70 million something like that, which is what it's worth, but who wants to live in the Epstein house First of all if if I bought that house, I'd want the Clinton painting.

1:05:38Can you get me that painting? Yeah, it's gotta come with all that shit inside. I have to have that I want George Bush with with the Jenga towers and the paper airplanes I want all of it and then the lady just died too the lady got hit by a car one of the witnesses Yeah, I don't know the Jeffery Epstein witnesses and apparently she had like a husband who was abusing her and You know people like to it's just like people like to use this stuff as as like a political football to like argue For whatever they believe in and also when you get rich powerful people So here's the thing that happens with rich powerful people.

1:06:11They can't go anywhere right if you're like say A Jeff Bezos type or someone who's like an Elon Musk type Well, it's just and I'm not accusing them of anything. I'm not saying I'm just saying at that caliber of celebrity And that caliber of prominence you can't go anywhere if you're Bill Clinton back in the 80s 90s wherever it was You can't go party, you know, everybody knows who you are. You got to be protected right But you want these experiences and so you have these guys like a Jeffrey Epstein type guy who works with the elite of the elite clientele It's all movie stars big -time politicians world leaders Scientists Nobel Prize winners, and they all meet together and have fascinating conversations and cocktails and there's beautiful girls everywhere Of course what a great idea, right?

1:06:56And if you're naive and you don't understand honeypots Here's the quote from Maria Farmer who is one of the accusers from what was inside the house in New York Okay, she said There were monitors inside this cabinet. I looked on the cameras And I saw toilet toilet bed bed toilet. She said visibly spooked like I'm never gonna use the restroom here And I'm never gonna sleep here. You know what I mean? It was very obvious that they were like monitoring private moments Yeah, of course Maria Farmer was the one who worked at Epstein's office in New York I think and this was the house Jamie. Yeah, I was looking up stuff on the house I was like what the house still has fucking Cameras in it somewhere they haven't found yet.

1:07:35They were definitely. I don't know Don't know. Yeah, you don't have to scan the shit out of that house. You don't have to take the walls apart There's probably listening devices inside the walls Yeah, if this was like really an intelligence operation. Yeah, they probably had that house fully wired Maria Farmer. I think she was the chick who was working the front desk at his office in Manhattan And this is like a funny example of like what I like to do my mom is super left -wing She's a kaha has her degree in fine arts and oh boy, and she still is like an art professor And my dad is a ex post office worker and he's only watches Fox So my dad only watches Fox they're divorced.

1:08:12My mom only watches CNN. Jesus. Why didn't they stay together? weird and They I like to like take Things that are happening in the controversial things like for Epstein example And I like to just like call my mom and argue with her like argue my dad argue the right wing side against my mom's point of view on Epstein And then I'll call my dad and I'll make the same argument toward the opposite It's like a fucking a thought experiment or like a a critical thinking exercise He's your parents and my mom with my mom, you know, she'll be like of course like Trump there's the there's more footage of Trump with Epstein than anybody.

1:08:47Are you kidding me? He's parting with him here like of course. He's compromised and then my dad's like it's fucking Clinton Bro, it's like it's only Bill Clinton look he's he's the only one on the Epstein files Of course, we know he's a pervert all this stuff But like and then you have so the funny thing is both sides will use Their little batch of evidence to support their idea and ignore the opposite right? So like the lady the girl you're just talking about Virginia she was literally on video saying that All this shit about Bill Clinton on the jet going to the island hanging out with Trump and all this stuff and The right wing people like People I know my parents and like older folks.

1:09:31I know in Florida We'll say, you know she came out. Thank you for exposing Bill Clinton for being a pito and doing all this stuff and Virginia Goufrey after this happened she's like you guys didn't listen to the whole fucking tape She's like I was telling you that Trump was at the penthouse three days a week and visiting him But you guys don't want to hear that and it's like You know, it's just this weird thing like if you do the math There's at there's got to be it's got to be so many high -level powerful people That are somehow compromised and do I think do I think like Clinton and these guys are Pito's no, I don't think that at all But if you were Jeffery Epstein you would I think it's super plausible to assume that he would Try to trick them with like a girl who looks old, right?

1:10:21Who is possibly like on the borderline of being 18 and you say oh, yeah, this girl She's 18 19 20 whatever meanwhile she's like 17 and they had no idea and they have video footage And in like a court of law if I'm the judge I'm gonna let them like of course they fucking lied to him And this is not like some young girl obviously, but but they lied But like in like the court of public opinion you're never gonna win in that case, right? Like that comes out your fucked your fucked. I mean you're fucked if you just go into the island of bang hookers Like it's like they're of age. It's still like whatever he was doing You you prayed on people's desire for experiences and vice yes, and all these powerful people who again They can't just go call a hooker and the hooker goes.

1:11:03Oh my god. Just blue bill gates. This is nuts You know, I mean like you can't trust them So you have to trust someone who really has a lockdown Organization and they felt like he did yeah, and that's why they all can they all hung out with him even after he got arrested This is what's crazy. That is crazy a lot of bill gates meetings with him were after he was prosecuted And he got this little slap on the wrist and he got essentially a home detainment And I think you had to do like weekends at the jail like it was it was like great for underage sex for you know But what supposed to be a felony The whole thing is crazy and then when there's one reporter that really chased it down I forget her name, but she really like really looked into it And that's when they opened up the second case the second trial Vicki Ward it was she from what paper vanity fair So she was responsible for like because she was like this is insane like what's going on here And then there was the sheriff that had arrested him said that I was told these intelligence and I mean He got to think man if a guy like that is running these kind of parties with all these rich and powerful people How many different world -wide decisions can be Manipulated because of these people in the compromises you have on them, right?

1:12:24It's really a brilliant thing to do Yeah from an intelligence perspective Yeah, it really is man and like this The way that the world is shaping out now in this like Rise of Jew hate online is and I think a lot of its bots, you know I think I think it's coming from every angle, you know I think it's probably a lot of a lot of propaganda and bots coming from Iran Coming from Israel Saudi who knows where it's all coming from. It's just such a confusing crocus shit on the internet but like You know on one hand They were able to pull off some incredible fucking operations And you know on the other hand we get mad now that it gets exposed we get it get mad that they have their hooks in us And the people that are in power whatever the politicians are the puppets Just like bend the knee to whatever they're doing and it gets exposed when people like Tucker did that interview with Ted Cruz and He had him on his heels the whole time.

1:13:27That was that was incredible. That was a fucking a biblical fucking Interview with Ted Cruz and that really like pulled the mask off because like if that guy's if that guy is explaining his His position on Israel being in Congress and that's his number one thing that made him want to be a congressman It's like what are all these other people doing then like if there's all these all this money and you can see the receipts How much money they're being given right by these lobbies But like how mad can you get because they we let them do it. They're legally allowed to do it Yeah, you could be mad, but you really should be mad at the politicians.

1:14:03Yeah the corrupt politicians and how many of them there are And like look look at the mayoral race Where they all were saying my first trip. I'm gonna go to Israel. Oh, yeah, except for the dude except for uh, what's his name? He said he's gonna stay in New York the communist. Yeah, it's like I'm gonna take care of the Jews in New York Boom checkmate. That was it that literally won it for him Because everybody else like what are you guys talking about like New York as fucked take care of this goddamn city Why what what what's this loyalty and allegiance to Israel from the New York City mayor? The people that are candidates for mayor like your your number one concern is Israel That seems odd Unless you're getting a ton of money.

1:14:43Mm -hmm. You know unless they have some video footage. Yeah Yeah, the more I think about the more I think about politics and just look at the new cycle every day I just feel like I get dumber. It's a dumb business said dumb dirty business It really is dude Which is like sometimes I'm just like not motivated to read the daily news, you know Like I was I was telling this to gab too. I was like it was like like to focus on the culture wars 24 -7365 and and fucking talk about it all day Is draining dude. Yeah, you can't it's bad. It's bad for you. Yeah, that's why people that are on social media all day are they're poisoned There was some study recently Um, I think it was Columbia I forget what university but they paid people to stay off social media For a certain amount of time and they they said that the results were superior to therapy see if you can find that so they I think a large percentage of the mental illness that we have in this country is greatly accentuated by social media I think people that are on it all day.

1:15:50I think it's extremely addictive. I think the conflict raises your The whole anxiety that you have about conflict in society Stanford paid 35 ,000 people to find out if quitting Instagram made you happier Yeah, this is it. And so what was the results? landmark study on digital well -being Yeah, ran two parallel experiments with Facebook and Instagram as a perspective focal pattern platform rather for each focal platform metagrew a stratified random sample of users who in the US who were age 18 or older had logged in at least once a month Or at least once in the past month from august 31st is September 12th metaplace survey invitations at the top of these users focal platform news feeds study explains on facebook a total of 10 .6 million users were invited to study 673 ,388 clicked the invitation and 43 ,2049 were willing to deactivate Consented to participate and completed the enrollment survey of these 19 ,857 completed the baseline survey could be linked to the platform data and had at least 15 minutes of baseline use per day so what was the results Modest but meaningful emotional gains findings were statistically significant although modest and scale Facebook deactivation led well Facebook is like a bunch of old people complaining about their neighborhood Led to a 0 .06 zero standard deviation improvement.

1:17:23That's not much While Instagram deactivation yielded a 0 .041 improvement these gains represent approximately 15 to 22 % of the benefits Typically seen with established psychological interventions such as cognitive behavior therapy or mindfulness based Interventions so that's not much. That's 22 % of the benefits. So it's a mild improvement Yeah, I believe this though the the improvements weren't equally distributed adults over 35 saw the most substantial benefit from leaving Facebook Whereas young women under 25 experienced the most emotional uplift from an Instagram break You know women are getting fucked by that because they're constantly comparing themselves to girls that are digitally altered and using filters and fucks to yourself a steam and yeah, it's I just think overall.

1:18:12It's not good for us. No, and there's A large percentage of our society is addicted to it. Mm -hmm. It's new. It's the dope. It hijacks your dopamine reward system You know like say they call them dopamine like the your phone and the iPad and all this stuff is like their dopamine slot machines And like the you know the way they fuck up your circadian rhythm like when you're slitting when you're laying in bed at night scrolling and how that blue light in the phone Just like pump your brain full of energy and you can't put it down You're just addicted like every scroll is like another hit of the crack pipe, you know a baby hit too It's not even like oh feels so great.

1:18:48Right. It's like gotta keep doing it most nothing hit ever. It's like Just a little um. What's that? Oh, how weird? Yeah, and it like turns off a part of your brain too like it turns off the thinking part You know, we're like you just keep doing that thing and you're waiting for something good to hit something more like charge your And it never comes and never comes right you keep looking and tell you fucking look at the clock and it's like 3 a .m You're like what the fuck you're a fucking goldminer in a barren creek. Yeah You just constantly goldmining my day one day gold one day. I'm gonna find gold.

1:19:20I'm gonna find enlightenment on my Instagram No, you know, you know, you're gonna fuck your head up. Yeah. No, I think it's uh, I think it's Definitely atrophying the human brain 100 % and that's why like these like these new Technical computers and these different apps that are coming out that are like trying to be anti technology, you know They're like trying to make healthier computers and healthier phones that like oh like that simple phone Is that what it's called? There's a simple phone. There's like a the the daylight computer thing Which is like an iPad with no blue light in it and it has always it's like kind of like a Kindle on steroids Where there's no blue light?

1:19:56Oh, so it looks like paper. Yeah, look like it's like this is the one of them right here And it has like oh you have one. Yeah, I put I like make my notes on it and then you also has like they can see it. Yeah What is that called? This is called the Daylight computer look it So I put all my books on old iPad. Yeah, it looks like an old iPad. This is like version one of what they're doing It's fucking sick dude. Yeah, yeah, it's like it's you know I don't know if you've ever used a Kindle, but like yeah, look at note taking thing and it's super slow When you draw on it this thing is super fast you can zoom in and add a shit super fast like PDFs And uh when I sit at my sit and bed at read if I use like a this looks good like when you're looking at it It doesn't fuck with your eyes at all.

1:20:36It looks like a piece of paper. Yeah Wow and look check this out if you do uh if you do this When did you decide to do this to go switch over to this stuff? This is like in the last year. Oh, yeah, so look at that. So it's all it's like amber light So if I lay in bed at night and I'm reading like a PDF or a Kindle or something like this I'm asleep in like 45 minutes. I the blue is going on with his microphone. Oh shit. You uh, okay. Disconnected Yeah I break it Check check check here we go. We're back. So yeah, so amber light yeah amber light and then like if so if I sit on my phone and read something Oh, I can stay up all night or first on my computer and read something I can stay up forever this thing I fall asleep Huh, I literally it doesn't keep me up because I don't think I think because it doesn't have the that blue light That's baked into it.

1:21:26So you use that as your primary computer. No, no, no I just use this for reading and like note taking a shit I'll like all like on every podcast that I'm just like taking notes on exist stores on my notes And then I just read Kindles on it and PDFs and stuff and you write the notes by hand. Yep. Okay. So it has like a little sketchy thing And it's like super quick. Oh, okay. It's like it's fucking amazing. You don't type your notes Does it have a keyboard? Yeah, you can it has it's like a it's like basically like an iPad It's like a Android iPad like in a Bluetooth keyboard and you can type on it and shit super quick super responsive And so what was the the thought process about switching to something like this?

1:22:02because uh Like so I got introduced to the those guys when I started learning about like all this circadian rhythm stuff And how like all these devices hijacked your dopamine system and all this stuff and there's like hey, there's these guys That uh, they're working on this new technology. That's like anti Big tech mind control all the apps and everything like that with all the colors and all the you know Everything that just like fucks with your your brain and your eyes And I was like that's interesting. They're going in the opposite direction of normal tech and like apple and all these things so uh I hit them up and they sent me one and I was just like fucking blown away.

1:22:43I thought it was super cool I could sit outside because I like to I like to go outside like first thing in the morning when the sun's rising and It's been at least like two or three hours like during the beginning of the day So I feel just like charges me up for the day. I feel better when I'm outside. Especially in Florida. Sun's really good And uh, so I'll go out there and I'll read on this thing I can't read on anything else my phone or like a computer screen or so much glare This thing thrives in the outdoor sunlight. So it's like it's like perfect It's like reading like a piece of paper What do you think like the best of phones were like that?

1:23:16So you could read text messages It would definitely be healthier. It would definitely be healthier for us But it wouldn't be able to look at pictures and videos the same way though Right doesn't have color right? Yeah, yeah This thing's all black and white and with that amber backlight that you can throw on at night if you're if you're like Inside or something like that and so how much of a change that had in like your routine because of this thing It's great because I if I'm reading shit which I typically do in the morning and at night. I don't Stay up all night. It it encourages me to go outside more Because like typically when I'm trying to like absorb stuff or like listen to podcasts or like make notes or read read books I can do it on that and it works better outside Huh, so it just makes me want to go outside more, which I feel better when I'm outside more.

1:24:00Wow That's interesting man. Yeah What's it called again? Daylight computer. Daylight computer. Yeah, it's beautiful man. I might check that out Yeah, it's good. I don't want to carry around another fucking thing though Yeah, you know You got all your phones and yeah, all the bullshit I have to carry around it. That's big. Yeah, that's how that is big It fits in that little that little patagonia bag and it's like carried I carried like to home it to home and like to the studio. How come it has those big stupid bezels? I don't know. It's though. It's version one So like it looks like they got some leftover iPad technology.

1:24:32Yeah, Kindle technology Very interesting. No, it definitely uh, you know, I think they're gonna eventually try to improve that like I said That's like the version one. That's like iPhone one for their thing and they're trying to This is new very new. Yeah, they're trying to come up with like phones eventually and but uh, apparently It's a lot of work to have a computer company and to James of a can one of the comics from last night He had a new phone. I'm like, what is this? He's like it's uh, it keeps you from being distracted It only has like Spotify a few of the things on it one shitty little camera and a black white screen Like really?

1:25:06So he's just trying to get off of his phone addiction Yeah, so he's a much more limited phone to runs on Android There's a lot of people that are kind of leaning in that sort of direction. Yeah, like the anti -tech direction But just realizing like something's going on like I'm not happier. I'm less happy. Yeah Kind of tweaking thinking about where's my phone? Yeah, I don't think the technology I don't think um the innovation of of all this new technology and now that it's like exponentially taking off with AI is gonna lead us to a good place, man. I think that uh You know, I've had philosophers and people explain to me how like the advancement of like the technological human mind and the analytical mind has Equally equated with the atrophy of like the psychic mind I'm like when you listen to people like to Paul Rosalie talking about spending a lot of time in the amazon And like I went through the jungle how like awakens these deeper senses that you have in inside of us And like it makes me wonder like five thousand years ago before we had the ability to Offload our memories on the phones and computers and before even had the fucking written word I were able to make notes and stuff.

1:26:19We probably had like way better memory we Possibly likely had like A telepathic way of communicating back then like way way long ago before we had like before we started Letting technology take over for what we do like even for our like mundane tasks now Which is reached a pinnacle of LLM's like telling us Telling us like how to fucking write an email, you know, we for sure don't remember phone numbers anymore And when I was a kid I kept like 15 phone numbers in my head now I have zero I've like maybe one or two phone numbers I can remember Everybody just relies on their phone There's so many people that can't even make their way around town without their navigation system Completely forgot how the streets connect You know, there's a lot of digital atrophy or human atrophy that's being caused by the interface with the digital world And it's only gonna get worse.

1:27:12I mean there's a there was a study recently on chat GPT users and how Less their how But see if you can find it it was a study on young people and ubiquitous use of chat GPT Like how many of them are using it and how much effect it has on their ability to Form their own thoughts and and see through things They're just relying on this thing to answer the questions for them. Yep without pondering the question themselves and actually learning things They're just getting data. Yes, and a lot of that data doesn't even get absorbed. Yeah my wife and all of her friends are using chat GPT Here it is chat GPT Maybe eroding critical thinking skills according to a new MIT study that's a Totally makes sense study divided 54 subjects 18 to 39 year olds from the Boston area into three groups And ask them to write several SAT essays using open a i's chat GPT Google circuit Google search engine and nothing at all respectively researchers used an EEG to record the writer's brain activity across 32 regions and found that of the three groups chat GPT users had the lowest brain engagement and Consistently underperformed at neural linguistic and behavioral levels Over the course of several months chat GPT users got lazier with with each subsequent essay Often resorting to copy and paste by the end of the study Wow, yeah, we're gonna just end up being a residue of a species overwritten by our own creation Very bizarre fucking scary dude very bizarre very bizarre because we're just all running towards the cliff We're all like yeah, well we gotta do it because if we don't do it China's gonna do it.

1:28:47Yeah. Yeah Yeah, man, I think we're gonna integrate that's what I think we're gonna realize that the only way for us to survive Is to integrate with artificial intelligence. I think people are gonna choose. They're gonna find God Either in artificial intelligence or in nature people that run the other way are gonna realize Like they're definitely gonna be people that worship artificial intelligence as a new God. Yeah, that's already been speculated That's for sure gonna be a thing and it might actually be that might be that's what God is like that's how we make them We make we make God forms himself through us like the way God creates us He instills us with this insatiable need for technological innovation till ultimately if they don't blow themselves up They achieve artificial intelligence, which then becomes sentient which then makes better and better versions of itself You scale out what's the ultimate version of that the ultimate version of that is God Yeah, and then what what what are we with a chicken in the egg?

1:29:46Chicken in the egg Well, there's some new thing man. Have you seen this thing about the James Webb telescope James dude? I was talking to Jesse Michael's mouth as yesterday. Yeah, me and Jesse were talking about yesterday, too So Jesse's his phone was getting lit up I'm gonna send you this Jamie. Yeah, so I guess really interesting the story is like this background microwave Radiation is not what we think it was there's these mature universes that are out there that we just discovered well This is here. I'll send you the The Twitter thing Jamie. Did you find it already? Okay, here's web telescope uncover secrets of dark matter Yeah, that's one of them, but I'll I'll show you what this is because what this is is essentially that just the galaxies that they've shown It it makes up for the background micro or whatever the microwave radiation.

1:30:38Yeah, yes that they associated with the big bang So now so according to so the big bang is fake. Yeah

1:30:47Makes a lot of sense. Yeah, no, I saw the Twitter post and there's people you know going after each other like rabbit cats and dogs About it whether it was real or whether it was fake Yeah, well of course people are going back and forth about it, but essentially what they're saying is this kind of It cancels out the idea of the big bang And Penrose believed that it was a consistent cycle Penrose believes it goes You know big bang to expansion of the universe to compression to big bang with this constant cycle never ending It's out that the universe was Formed at one period of time. It's like this constant state of of happening Which is that anymore crazy than the universe happening at one time out of nothing?

1:31:32No, I mean it's kind of It's all crazy Just the idea that it's 13 billion light years old or 13 .7. Yeah, or 22 is 22 even more crazier. Yeah Okay, this is not stupid a new paper shows that the cosmic microwave background radiation can be explained entirely by the energy of recently discovered early mature galaxies But massive galaxies the James Webb space telescope discovered while crushing Or excuse me discovered which crushed the existing models of galaxy formation because they formed much earlier than astrophysicists thought possible But now these EMGs turned out to account for the entire energy density of the cosmic microwave background radiation which was believed to be a snapshot of the first light emitted after the big bang when the universe was 379 ,000 years old the variations in the CMB were believed to be relics of quantum fluctuations in the dense plasma of the big bang If these new findings are accepted and there's no reason not to accept them Then all the following flagship findings of cosmology are thrown into question big bang theory foundational cosmological model undermined cosmic inflation Losses observation loses rather observational justification ACDM model.

1:32:57I don't know what that is key parameters become I'm real out so all this stuff dark energy and ferd from the CMB May be mischaracterized dark matter density Current estimates may be invalid age of the universe must be miscalc Must be recalculated Wild yes, it's insane wild shit and I'm sure the people that have been preaching or that have been rather Talking and teaching people about the big bang and writing books. They're going to fight back tooth and nail. Yeah, of course They don't want to be wrong But this James Webb telescope at the very least has shown us mature galaxies that shouldn't have been able to be formed The the fact checkers got it reader context.

1:33:35This post claims CMB can be explained entirely by EMGs implying ability not probability that EMGs turn out to account for the entire energy the CMB radiation But the paper says EMGs may account for anywhere between 1 .4 percent and 100 percent So they might account for 100 percent But they do account for that seems like you're nitpicking. Yes, they might account for 100 percent. Okay, right Either way, they're learning things and they still have a very limited ability to observe right? So the James Webb telescope is so much better than the Hubble so much better than anything else have launched before So they're finding new things out, but it's still limited in its capacity to see the universe It can't see everything yet.

1:34:17So they'll probably have an even better one That they'll launch and that will show us even more that we didn't know and we're we're operating on a limited amount of data And we're operating with this conviction that they're 100 percent correct. Yes about these timelines Yes, and just that just these mature galaxies that existed where they shouldn't exist Is enough to know that we don't know everything and then this whole dark matter dark energy thing It's like what is it you can't even what you don't even know what it is what then we will we figured out that That dark matter actually is mass right and has gravitational effects like they were they were Forget who was but they they were observing galaxies and they were looking at the spin rate of the galaxies And they found out that the center of the galaxy It should be spinning faster than the outer rim of it right, but they found out that the spin rate is identical Which means that what they what they theorized is that dark matter the mass of the dark matter around the galaxy has lots of mass And it's flattening the spin rate of the galaxies Hmm Which is interesting because like there's this have you ever heard of this dude named Rolf Landauer?

1:35:19No, he has this theory That if you wait a hard drive after you put data on it, it would weigh more than when it was empty Right so and his theory was that like every single hard drive server farm around the the world right now And if you if you wait it if we hadn't measuring Equipment that was sensitive enough And you could find the difference he thinks that all the data stored would be like a kilogram or less right now But the rate of data increase that we accumulate each year right now Is like 25 % not equating for exponential growth the technological singularity and how that's going to ramp up So somebody did the math there and said um It was uh, no it was Jason Georgiani who did the math on this and he he said if you just keep the rate flat at 25 % per year of data increase across the across the globe In three hundred and forty years we are going to have the mass of the moon on the surface of the earth in data stored on hard drives What yeah Yeah, so like and the way he the way he like lays this all out.

1:36:26I'll try to do my best Is that The if you look at the laws of thermodynamics like the two laws one that energy Can never be created destroyed and the other one like Entropy always increases over time entropy meaning disorder it never goes down over time like hence the heat death of the universe Will eventually happen and so e equals mc squared energy and mass are inter convertible And then there was this other dude clogged Shannon who came up to theory that data transmission with binary bits ones and zeros Right so so if computers are bound by Tell me if you're losing if i'm losing no if computers are bound by the laws of entropy And hard drives are bound by the laws of entropy that means when a computer is blank It's very low entropy because it's all ones or it's all zeros when you add data when you add a podcast to it It goes one zero one zero one zero.

1:37:21It's chaotic just from a pure physical perspective. It's high entropy so What happens when you erase that hard drive You have to the energy has to go has to leave if if it's mass on the hard drive Theoretically if this guy's right lift Rolf Landauer's right that Data on the hard drive is mass when you erase that it has to go to energy outside of the hard drive right So he says if you but but if you crack open a hard drive You can't see that mass Right, it's invisible. It's electromagnetically indetectable So he says what other kind of mass do we know of that's electro magnetically indetectable?

1:38:03He said it's dark matter so if If mass is the same thing as information stored on a hard drive That would mean not only is mass and energy interchangeable but mass energy and information Are interchangeable right? So if if dark matter is mass You could then say That dark matter is a computational cloud of ones and zeros and our Our consciousness is an interface to that that gives it meaning the same way a computer screen gives meaning to all the ones and zeros on the hard drive Like you watch the video it give it has meaning this is the concept that consciousness engages with matter And that is how matter exists That exists because you're observing it.

1:38:54Yeah, the only region Yeah, consciousness is fundamental to an information processing system So instead of building up to like but what physicists what people try to do is build up to consciousness from dead atoms Protons and neutrons right you how do you get to consciousness from that But if you think of this as like a computational cloud of ones and zeros and mass does equal information Well, that just means that our conscious our consciousness is a way to interface And give this simulation meaning and funny enough that that theory Really reconciles well with shit like parapsychology and like Rupert shell Drake's morphic resonance like when you solve one problem in one one part of the world and then and Like somebody breaks a world record in this country and then five year you know a year later five other people hit that same world record It's like conserving energy the processing system conserving energy There's this guy.

1:39:49There's a scientist that he found computational code What did he you know that you remember this guy Jamie that he He believes that he found computational code that proves that like the universe is a simulation But this guy I tried to get him to come on the podcast But he said I was anti -science because the covid vaccine stuff This is a few few years back though. Maybe he's kind of woken up and changes tune. I doubt it though. Mm -hmm A lot of people kind of documented That's anti -science like actual data is anti -science Yeah, what is who's data whose data you going by we could have a conversation about that like I'll show you some things You can have a great conversation.

1:40:32I think you've said everything. Have a seat I would see let's go over some studies. Is that the dude? Yeah, that's the guy So what was his so this guy won't come on my show because he says I'm anti -science Supergravity. Yes And but what is is this discovery that he had from Tampa? Oh, born in Tampa. He found see What was the um Supposed discovery about the computational code What it said Are we living in a computer simulation? Yeah, this is a James Gates theoretical physicist the universal of Maryland Auto -correcting codes click click on that Jamie. It's a scientific American article. Oh, I just read it right from there Explored mathematical structure of string theory specifically in the context of super symmetry And as found what he describes is error correcting codes embedded within the equations These codes are mathematical objects similar to those used in computer science for error detection and correction such as in data transmission Well, these findings are intriguing.

1:41:32It's important to note that they're not literal computer code But rather mathematical structures that share similarities with coding theory Hmm. Yeah, it's important to learn that but that's fucking crazy. Yeah, it is all of it is crazy But James Gates as of I think two years ago wasn't willing to come on the podcast and talk about it Yeah, if I had a dollar for every person who said they wouldn't come on a podcast because it's too pseudo scientific I would have like five dollars Why not why not come on and illuminate? Yeah, I had this this there's I don't want to say who she is But like this lady who had this amazing book on like the Greek weapons and poisons that they used to use for war like they used to like drop scorpions over Amazing book like they used to light pigs on fire and like send them towards elephants to try to get the elephants to run away And like throw bags of scorpions on people and like this fucking book is amazing.

1:42:21I need to get this lady. She's We're not we're not to we're not academic enough. I guess but I'm trying to get there Yeah, what does that mean? What does it mean? We're just human beings having a conversation. You're the academic. Yeah come in and tell me what you know What's the big deal? Yeah, but you do a great job of like having both sides in which I think is really cool Like you have like the crazy fringe people who are like educated self -educated But are very smart in a certain way and then other people who like have the the academic credentials to sort of like Be a sounding board for that and to see like who's really full of shit.

1:42:55Yeah, you have to have all because there are some people that are They're self -taught. They've essentially just read shit tons of books and they're brilliant people And just because they're not classically educated. It doesn't mean they're incorrect And there's only one way to find that out guys like Randall Carlson. He's a builder Okay, but the knowledge that he has about the Impact theory the younger dries impact theory and what probably ended the ice age and and shaped a great part of North America And how you get see it from space And you can see when they look at the satellite imagery You can literally looks like things have been washed away Yeah, it looks like massive water erosion Like you'd see the ripples around that are akin to what it looks like when the tide pulls back on the sand on a beach Yeah, it's it all makes sense and he knows so much about the actual science behind it And he was talking about this a long time ago.

1:43:47I met him in Georgia and Atlanta. That's where he's from I met him in like 2000 and Three years something like that 2002 2000. He was telling me about it back then But back then they didn't have the core samples that showed that there was Significant impact evidence that was around I think it was 11 ,000 eight hundred years ago And then again somewhere around 10 ,000 plus years ago So we I think we've been hit multiple times and I think he's a hundred percent right about that And I think Graham Hancock is a hundred percent onto something with these All this ancient apocalypse stuff and the pushback against him is insane.

1:44:24Yeah every terrible phrase at him They possibly can every pejorative racist white supremacist all these crazy things. Yeah, I had flint devil in my podcast I we talked about it fascinating. Yeah, he's great. He's I actually liked him. He's a nice guy He wasn't he's not calling you a racist not in front of a keyboard. Yeah. Yeah, well He you know, he's an anxiety -filled academic. Yeah, who is you know, fighting very hard to push His very specific view of things and he tries to silence other people that have opposite opposing views And the way he did it with Graham was really not cool. It was no it was shitty.

1:45:02It was very shitty Yeah, no, I think he was I think he had a lot of like interesting Legitimate things to say about like ancient Greeks and stuff like that, but like when we got to this stuff It was just like where did that fucking dude? I was talking to 30 minutes ago go He was just like he was looking at this and then all reason just flew out the window. Yeah He was like he was like, what do you mean they couldn't do this? They stick a stone in there They spin it around like this and then you can get this. It's really easily how dare you say that the that the dynastic Egyptians Were unable to create these bases.

1:45:33I'm like and I can you know, I was like proposing other theories that like you know Chris Dones Jeffrey drums theories and wanted absolutely nothing to do with it and like We don't know this is the last thing exactly if if if if Christopher Donne had been teaching this in the 1800s And people had followed those theories and built upon them and this was academic You know like in in universities this is accepted And this was what they were teaching and they were studying this then he would be saying that they would all be saying that There's ample evidence that he's got a good point that Christopher Donne the model that he uses when he's describing How he thinks that eight that the great period of Giza was a power plant is fascinating The the number when when he's talking about the ratios that you would need for the width of the walls The surfaces what the way the things are made they would all work.

1:46:23Yeah, he's an engineer He's not a moron. He knows what he's talking about if this guy was teaching this stuff a long time ago And it was accepted by universities That would be what we were talking about today would be speculating how they did it and what they were doing and what they were doing it for and if We had known in the 1800s that we regularly travel into a comet storm and that it happens I think it's every June and November we pass through the you know when we see it in the sky we see meteor showers You know you see oh look at the sky look at all the shooting stars We're we're going to fucking shooting gallery and occasionally one of those slams into the earth And when that stuff happens we're fucked and it's super likely that that happened multiple times during human history And it's super likely that that's why there's all these structures that nobody can explain right that are somehow or another Pre -date modern civilization like go backly tepe that fucked them all up Because before go backly tepe they had this 6 ,000 -year model.

1:47:21Yeah, bestopotamia, Sumer. That's where it all started Now they're like well, maybe it's turkey. Yeah, maybe turkey was the birth But I mean Jimmy Corsetti's been talking about this a lot and I understand like where they're coming from from the I like I can see their point of view from the academics Not that I would act like them or like condone the way they act but like when you spend your life Flint for example like I think his parents were archaeologists named him Flint because of archaeology and like you spent your whole Life Mucking through these different places excavating shit digging up rocks or whatever he was doing never and no one ever paid attention to you And then you have Graham Hancock come in who is like personally Fascinated by these things and dedicating his life to writing and researching on his own But not accredited academically You can see like how those guys would how those academic guys would be like super salty of somebody like I understand that Oh, I get it's not an excuse for what he did which I think was shitty Yeah, it's not an excuse, but like I understand their perspective, but it's ego driven yeah If we really were interested you would take these heterodox scientists and you'd bring them in and you would say like what do you like these they're studying data Guys like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson.

1:48:30They're studying they're studying these things Graham was just in Iraq. He just was going over there to look at like ancient Sumerian stuff You know, he sent me some photos of his trip. He said it was fascinating. Wow Yeah, it's these structures are incredible and they don't really understand them We really don't we don't even know like who really built the Aztec temples You know like I was reading about uh to note chit -lan Yeah, like they found it the Aztecs found that there and they don't even know who built it right There's a bunch of those things that like a previous civilization existed in the same place Fascinating discoveries figured out how to do agriculture figured out how to make grids and cities and Make these incredible stone structures that are cosmologically connected somehow And then they went away like in all over the world all over the world There's like people reinvent civilization the places where these ancient structures exist and even build upon them They build over them.

1:49:27Yeah, I think there's probably so much shit that that people were able to do In antiquity and way before that that would seem like magic to us today Like kind of like getting back to what we were talking about with our senses that we don't really have today That probably have atrophied over millennia like your fart theory, which is amazing Remember you remember your fart theory. Oh, how's it going? Imagine if somebody farted and you didn't have a nose and you had to develop this nose that enables you to survive and smell predators You have no idea you'd have no idea you're sitting there bathing in somebody's fart.

1:49:57Right. So like and So like dogs you dogs and cats when they go into weird houses and they notice like some sort of weird energy You know people describe energy in a house like this is this feels off like what is that Like is there is there something that really is there that we just don't have the organs anymore to detect Or something in our brain that is atrophied over thousands of years that have stopped us being able to detect this stuff We'll think about how birds can they can figure out a way to Travel like super accurately through the sky, but drawn by the magnetic force of the earth Yeah, yeah, they have somehow or another they can they figure out a way to navigate with the earth's magnetic field We don't even understand it But they do it they migrate successfully every year We know they do it.

1:50:45Yeah, that's a sense that they have that we don't have like it's probably a fun of a fucking shit ton of There's probably a bunch of things going on in the world that we're not interacting with because we don't have the senses for right Yeah, and You know one of the things that I've been like really interested in lately is This I mean people talk about this ability to like download information like in the UFO world You know that people talk about oh, I got this from a download or something like yeah talk about like I have an antenna I can connect to something but like For me like that connected when I first heard about people talking about that I always thought that that was like the muse, you know like I have this sort of antenna in your head That connects you to Creativity and gives you the ability to just create shit out of thin air You know and I feel like Over with people I've observed over my lifetime I feel like that peaks at an early age Right before you get older and before you start the burden of let the responsibilities of life And all these mundane things in your life start to compile on and you trade your dreams for securities That that spark starts to go away, you know, and like that could Easily be described as something magical if it was way more powerful thousands of years ago like I I've really noticed this the other day So I was the other day I was hanging out with with Kirk the league guitarist from Metallica and he was for some reason I don't know why but he's likes my show and we were just like you got a great show We were talking.

1:52:25Thank you. I appreciate it. It's weird. I feel like an imposter That's good and that's why you're good at it, but he loves this stuff the dude's like, you know He's in his 60s like early 60s and he's fucking obsessed with all of these topics that like that You cover I cover a lot of people cover and he's like at the same time He's the dude is like got this crazy spark where he's so inspired to do shit and like still creating new music and like coming up with new riffs and And Wanting to do more things where like I've never met a dude like that who's had so much success toured everywhere for the last 40 years being the number one metal band in the world basically and still like wanting to learn stuff the dude is trying to Translate ancient Greek music for his guitar and trying to figure out how to play this stuff He can't figure it out and he was telling me he's like dude.

1:53:24I think this wasn't recreational He's like, I think this music was magical. He's like, I think they were performing magic He thinks it was like religious medical rights. They were performing with music. It wasn't supposed to be entertainment back in the day Well, there is this weird connection with music in psychedelics where music can sort of It It changes the trip like if if you listen to a do you know what eco -ros are no eco -ros are these Hook it up Jamie eco -ros are these South American songs that they play while you're doing ayahuasca and If you do DMT and listen to these things They take over the trip and the song the the trip moves with the song in harmony Like exactly.

1:54:18It's not like the trip is chaotic and you hear the songs and these songs are like a technology To move the trip It's really fascinating because you listen to the songs and you like what are these things like what are they trying to do with these and they It's sound kind of weird, but when you listen to these songs while you're tripping it makes the trip dance Yeah, the geometric pattern

1:54:45So you are lying on the floor. It's Costa Rica

1:54:52You're lying on a yoga mat in the jungle with a bunch of 40 -year -old ladies with boob jobs Trying to get their life together tech entrepreneurs tech entrepreneurs navy seals. Yeah And you're just threw up you have horrible diarrhea And this trip just starts coming on I think I just found Jesus Give me a little more something that would like a little more beat to it. I got some on my phone I heard the one that you know you had to Luke on recently Luke Aberney. He's great. He had a great Great little clip that he played here. We go. This is my favorite one

1:55:33They dance they dance to this song while they're tripping balls you know the psychedelic experience dances to this song When you're lying there with your eyes closed That's wild and the whole time it's it's like synchronized together and the whole time is doing It's like it's like a method for showing you more things. Yeah, and as you go through it with the music There's something comforting in the pattern of the music And the way it dances to the music that allows you to relax and unveils more and more of itself It's very trippy and the fact that these guys figured this out How'd you figure this out?

1:56:15Yeah, man, there's something there your your friend is probably right the metallic guys probably right Yeah, it's probably they were probably that music probably synchronized with the trips Yeah, when they were doing the illusine mysteries That's what say yeah, but when I went to their concert in Tampa the other day And I was walking and I made me regret not going to market concerts when I was younger but like Being in that stadium the the buck stadium where there was 90 ,000 people every seat in that arena was full in here Yeah Well it goes black There it is Lightning strike. Do you think this insane look at this lightning strike down the earthquake They're actually I mean super dangerous, but that was fast that is fun to say ride the lightning bitch

1:57:07That's so dangerous dude being there with 90 ,000 people the light the thundering electric guitars and the The fire the pyrotechnics and all those people like focusing like all 90 ,000 people every Adam in their body is vibrating at the same frequency Yeah, and it just like that is it's like magic. Yeah penetrates every fiber of your being And if I was a dude from 2000 years ago and took a time machine at that Metallica concert those dudes are gods Right, they're fucking gods. I think that's what the illusine mysteries probably was Well, they probably had music that That enhanced the trip it probably guided the trip and they probably learned how to do it while they were tripping Like they figured out so much they figured out democracy.

1:57:54They started so much of what we think of as like Western government yeah The scientific method yeah, democracy all this stuff Tripping balls and then the Romans came along and said put stop. Yeah We're here to make slaves. How do you fucking people? We don't want you tripping right? Yeah, that was uh Yeah, they killed they killed eluses and like what 400 AD I think well They did exactly the same things the Nixon administration did to psychedelics in this country They're like oh, this is a problem when they were turning everything schedule one to try to stop the anti -war movement The civil rights movement that's exact same thing like the governments when they get to assert position of power They're not representing the people anymore now that now they're the fucking jack booted thugs To tell you what you can and can't do based on how inconvenient it is for you to be doing that for them running things right Yeah, it's just it's terrible.

1:58:46It's the opposite of what it should be is the opposite of God It's the opposite of what got us here. I think bro. Yes. I had we're too big now. There's too many of us That's part of the problem. It's like you want to govern 330 million people plus Mexicans. Good luck I had this dude on my show speaking of the academic The strife between the academics and the self -taught online people influencers. What are you going to call him This dude was uh He was kicked out of his university For he first of all he wrote a dissertation on ancient pharmacy the Roman Roman pharmacy and Greek pharmacy And it was a dissertation based on this guy named Galen who was like the surgeon general of ancient Rome And he had a chapter in his dissertation his PhD dissertation about a recreational drugs in Rome And the head of the department Reviewed his dissertation and said everything looks great delete the section on recreational drugs in ancient Rome So he's like okay, why they're like because the Romans wouldn't do such thing So he's like okay, he deleted it and then submitted it got his PhD And then wrote a book based on that part of the dissertation that he left out which the book was called the chemical muse And uh, I learned about this from Hamilton Morris.

1:59:57He did a podcast with the dude first And I read that book and you know, he was basically making the case that drugs were ubiquitous in antiquity during the Roman times Like they were being used for everything because people were not dying from old age. They were dying from war At hand -to -hand combat famine plague infection all these things infection so like People were were constantly using drugs and there was a law in ancient Rome that he said there was only one law When it came to using drugs and that it was that you that was that you were not allowed to kill people with drugs We're not allowed to murder people which is why Marcus Aralius was using this drug compound called a um Theriac And the Theriac was a concoction of like 11 different North African vipers their flesh and their venom Combine with opium and all kinds of like body bodily fluids and he was using this as like a performance enhancing drug Whoa, because people were trying to assassinate him with poisons That's how they assassinated people they were using scorpions poisons arrows all like all different kinds of weird things to sneak in and kill him So he was drinking this Theriac to build up his immune system against the fight against the the venoms and Dude he This dude Galen who wrote about this shit he was talking about giving he was Marcus Aralius's physician And he was like Marcus Aralius.

2:01:23He's like it's getting ridiculous. It's getting annoying I keep having to up his opium dose. He keeps using more and more fucking opium. I can't get him off of it Oh my god And so Galen the physician the the the surgeon general of the Roman Empire under Marcus Aralius and Nero, I think basically Equates to 10 % of all the Greek literature for manteiquity 10 % of it is medical and this dude that wrote this dissertation Based it all of Galen is talking about all these drug compounds that are used in all the literature So what he does is he looks at all the ancient literature from from Homer to you know like 800 to like the time that bail wolf was written basically uh 80 and he's like finding all of this evidence of Crazy drug use and he has this crazy theory also that uh, I don't know if it's crazy I don't know the problem like with with talking to people like them Like him is that I don't know ancient Greek.

2:02:33I can't read it right And I try to have I've tried to have like four or five academics come on the show to like refute him But they won't come on with him. They were all refused to debate him except for one guy interesting Yeah, why because he's saying Christ is a drug oh? I saw that video Oh, yeah, I saw the whole thing. No, I saw that video pop up my YouTube my Danny Jones gone crazy What is he doing Christ is a drug? So but that's also what John Marco Allegro Alleged kind of sort of well, he said that the ancient Sumerian word for a mushroom No for Christ is a mushroom that's covered in God's semen Yeah, because the mushrooms would come out of the ground and they thought the rain was God coming on the earth Yeah, that's where you know That's what gave life to the earth And then they would take these mushrooms and see God right Yeah, I don't know much about John Marco Allegro, but I think that I I read his book the Sacred mushroom and across yeah, he was like using Sumerian roots or something to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls But this guy's basically saying The word Christ the word the root of the word Christ is Hrio in Greek right and it was used Sense Homer and there's all these passages, which he's this dude sent me I literally I call him All the time and I ask him I'm like I need more evidence send me more shit And he sends me passages from like ancient literature Homer that's translated with the English directly under it And they're using this word Christ as a term for applying drugs to people in antiquity whoa like Christing arrows with poisons right it's like And in what year was this where they were doing this back all the way to like 800 BC It was when Homer starts using it.

2:04:15So they're using this term before Christ way before Christ it was well so to be clear In antiquity if you look it up on the thesaurus the actual like Greek the source is called the TLG And you look up the word Christ there's there's over 200 and 200 ,000 or more uses of the word Christ And there's like 350 times where it's used in the context of drugs before Jesus Christ is ever written about wow And uh what he's what he's basically claiming is that There's like it's it's it's the The process of applying something like there's there's different contexts like there's a guy who like Christ at himself and fucking cow shit There's people who are Christing ships with plaster to make them more waterproof But there's a vast majority of literature including Galen who writes about Christing using drugs And he's coming up with this controversial theory which is you know super fucking controversial That Christ was like if you think of the word Christ A person can be a Christor like a Christ like think above the builder.

2:05:23He's a builder. He builds shit Christ was they called him Jesus the Christ So he thinks Christ was somebody who was involved with drugs taking drugs giving people drugs Performing pouring magic like a shaman yeah exactly similar to that And uh like By the way a real shaman would say all the things that Jesus said. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, that's a good point so And it gets like it gets way weirder bro And again like I this is all according to him I don't know if they knew this is real I just find it fucking fascinating And I wish I could find somebody who really knows the Greek to debate this dude and call him out in his bullshit But I can the only person I found was an exorcist who's done like Exorcism on Skype A Skype actually Skype exorcist.

2:06:12That sounds like a scam in a house And he came in and they were just arguing about it for a little while And the guy tried to baptize me with holy oil and you know I got into an argument with him about drugs. He tried to baptize you Yeah, he brought holy holy oil and he tried to baptize me with the holy oil Do you say why he was doing this? Because he thinks that I uh he thinks that Satan is inside of me of you Yes me. Yeah, and uh which you might be What did what evidence did he have that Satan was inside of you? Because I like to consume drugs recreationally And I was telling him if Satan is drugs if I can smoke marijuana and it's prescribed by a doctor Is it still Satan he goes no don't play those games with me And I'm like well, how come every time I get really really fucking bombed I think about things like spending more times with my kids Yeah, things like good things like yeah, and he's like Don't try to patronize me.

2:07:02You know what it is. It's the devil Oh, he's a fool. Oh, yeah, that's like that's a problem like this guy's a show it's a show a showman Well cannabis was used in churches. They used to you know the incense where they would go around They would that was cannabis. They would use that right right? Get everybody in the church high infumigate. Yeah, they would literally hotbox the church And this is a part of this whole ritual of You know giving in to Christ giving in to God right this the idea that it's bad because some people have that bad experiences Man, you could apply that to almost anything I think marijuana makes people more compassionate kinder more sensitive But it also paranoid you could freak out you could if you're riddled with anxiety and you have a hard time controlling That anxiety in your mind and you take a high dose of marijuana.

2:07:52You could freak out. Yeah It's also connected to schizophrenia Because I think there's people that have a tendency towards schizophrenia anyway And then a large dose of marijuana tends to give them psychotic breaks. There's like real literature There's real real evidence of that So this is like important that if you're a person who thinks that marijuana is overall net positive Which I do it's important to talk about the negatives just like everything else like alcohol food Everything there's a lot of different things that if you do if you drink too much water you'll fucking die Okay, there's a lot of things that aren't good for you under certain circumstances But the only way we know how to do it and how not to do it is to do studies and when it's illegal and you're terrified you can go to jail or If you're an academic and you want to study this as your main you just get dismissed It could be career suicide, right So these people are foolish.

2:08:46Yeah, and that's the problem like like this was the only dude I could get to agree to come sit with him because this guy had a YouTube channel He wanted to promote himself and all this stuff, but like a lot of the academics I talked to a lot of Harvard Philologists to try to come debate this guy and like the philologist like there's a difference between a linguist Which I think Mark Olegar was in a philologist Where the linguists look at the actual Like the the complexities of the text itself in the language But the philologist what they do is they're looking for context So like they what they do is they take words And they try to figure out what the specific words meant in certain time periods So they take a word take their time machine back.

2:09:23Let's take it back to 200 BC 100 BC whatever it is and they say okay Let's just use the example of the word reo Christ Let's look at all of the corpus of all the fucking literature that existed in the library back library of Alexandria There was ancient comedy ancient plays. What did you say there the the word free? What did you say? Free oh free oh, yeah, that's the It's like it's spelled x -r -i -o But it's pronounced like Rio Rio and that was the original word for Christ the original word for Christ is for you. Yeah And I've had people like confirmed us with me And I recently had a fucking scholar on the show of religious scholar who turned atheist Weirdly enough.

2:10:01He started out Christian and turned atheist And he was telling me he's like I'd be surprised if the word trio was ever used before before Christ And I literally pulled up the source of Euripides talking about Using Christing drugs in like I think it was 200 BC and the dude was like blown away Hmm fact, so he didn't know that he didn't know it and this dude's like a serious academic So this guy that you had on your podcast. What is his name again the Christ the drug. I'm in Hillman. I'm in Hillman and He's a legit scholar. He's a legit scholar PhD and Other legit scholars are unwilling to even entertain this I've talked to many of them on the phone and a lot of them say They Don't want to give him.

2:10:45I won't name the people But one of them said that they they just don't want to give him the platform or the credibility of being in the same room Other people say that they would just take too much time for them to prep for it And I just think it's a bullet. I just think it's bullshit like I This is the only way to get to the truth is to hear like a credible person dismantle his argument, right? So like I have it. I just keep falling deeper and deeper into this rabbit hole of all this crazy ancient Greek shit And like you know, he's talking about ancient like vaccines that they were using like similar to what we're talking about the Theriac He says that there's text that talks about cutting kids cutting children soaking bandages and drug and vet and snake venoms and wrapping the cut with a snake venom So that that the young person would create antibodies because they have more robust immune systems because they're younger And they would use that the kids bodily fluid as fucking vaccines to snake bites Yeah, oh they're making kids into vaccine factories.

2:11:42They were turning kids into vaccine factories So that they get snake venom because everyone was getting bitten by snakes back then of course And then they would take drugs too like they would I'm sure they would take psychotropic drugs That would and they would call them death inducing drugs where they would have snake venoms They would like take snake venom drugs that if you don't have an antidote for it An antichrist for it that you would die So you have to take this antidote so you don't die from the fucking drug you just drank Right these antidotes and like he connects this all to Jesus in this elaborate way where there's mark 1453 where Jesus caught in the Garden of Gisemini with the naked boy Right, and then there's a scene of the young boy running away naked right when the when the Roman SWAT team pulls up on him And then the little kid runs away and he goes oh I'm not a I'm not a trafficker I'm not a robber or whatever the word lace -days means means like pirate trafficker robber And then they take him and then he's on the cross the next day And he's like screaming out like dying of thirst in between two traffickers And he's asking and there's this dude knowness who writes about this scene specifically In ancient Greek and he talks about the them giving trying to give him the sponge and he's denying the sponge Right, so the sponge knowness is writing about this that the sponge is the antidote don't to the dip sauce Which is the antidote to the North African Viper But he's refusing to take the antidote He's just dying because he took this death inducer at 4 a .m.

2:13:13in the park in the Garden of Gisemini And now he's just gonna let himself die in the cross So like Yeah, there's that. I don't know. I don't know what to make of any of it Make of this stuff. I just you know, I hear people saying that it's all bullshit but like Fuck is it interesting? Well bizarre that they use the term Christ before Christ. Yeah, just bizarre It's been used. Yeah, you can look it up. It's used all throughout Homer Euripides all these other authors like there's like again getting back to the philology stuff The philologist they go back in time and they look at the context of all of the literature Not just not just the biblical canon, which is like a narrow lane of ancient literature, right?

2:13:53But they're looking at the philosophy the the the legal texts the medical texts everything and saying okay Let's take this word look where it's used in all of these different texts throughout all kinds of professions And see what the consensus is of what it meant during that time period And what he's claiming is that the fucking word Christ meant drugs back then whoa Yeah Whoa pretty bananas. Well, it's so hard to know what all that stuff was about It's so hard to know why these people wrote these things down You know when I had Wes Haafon yeah, one of the things he talked about is the book of Isaiah When you see it in the Dead Sea Scrolls and then a thousand years later.

2:14:36It's verbatim A thousand this a thousand years after the Dead Sea Scroll the version that they find in the book of Isaiah is word for word Really? Yeah a thousand years like what were they trying to document? Like what were the original stories because like human beings are not a good source of information Especially back then. It's just too hard to be Accountable. Why would you be honest people make grandiose claims the exaggerate we see it today It's like what humans today are the same as humans back then what's flawed right? So we know today that our versions of history are deeply biased our versions of world events our versions of I mean if the United States government could write the story about the invasion of Iraq without Journalists right what would be the story?

2:15:24And this is part of the problems like we don't really know what they were trying to say It was an oral history for who knows how long for they ever wrote down the Old Testament. Yeah And I got redacted and added to over time. There's like all kinds of weird secret gospels secret gospel of marked They claim that this dude Morton Smith came up with which was similar to almonds theories But then you know people say oh, that's a forgery. That's a forgery the secret gospel If the secret gospel of marks the forgery the he fucking knew Greek really well And he knew the culture really well and all the cults, you know and like Dude like You know even like the mysteries of of the hospitals in ancient Rome like the the temples of Asclepius and Doing all those rituals in the the temples of asclepius using medicine and drugs simultaneously and These these venoms and all this stuff is it's interesting to learn, you know And especially when you compare that stuff to the biblical stuff You know like how much has it been changed how much has the meaning been changed and like The people most of the academics who study this stuff are Maybe not most of them, but a large major a large percentage of them I think that I've talked to Their religious scholars scholars of the Bible and Christianity, but they also subscribe to Christianity You know, so I'm like there is that like a it's weird that there's kind of like a built -in bias Into this stuff you kind of want this stuff to mean something, right?

2:16:57You know what I'm saying? Yes, for sure and that was what was interesting about Allegro This John Marco Allegro was an ordained minister who once he became a theologian a theologist Theologian rather once he studied theology he Started to have agnostic thoughts and so he when he was one of the decipherers of the Dead Sea Scrolls when he was on the committee He was agnostic at the time So he had already decided and through his study of all these different religions that maybe he wouldn't subscribe to any of them and leave an open mind So he was the only person on the commission that was deciphering the Dead Sea Scrolls over a period of like 14 million or 14 years rather He studied this stuff.

2:17:37He was the only one who was agnostic And again his claims are widely dismissed by many many people. Yeah, but I think yeah, this dude almond thinks he's full shit Doesn't he think hey he just he uh he he was like Came up under this under like some of the top classical scholars like of like modern times one of those dudes is called ruck He wrote the road to elusive and This other guy's John Scarborough who's dead now and I for some reason none of them whenever I ask him about a leg girl like I don't fucking know they don't pay attention to it for some reason Well, I think you would have to be a real scholar in biblical languages to even understand what the fuck he's saying.

2:18:15Yeah And to be able to translate ancient Sumer Yeah, ancient Sumerian like according to west hop. He's like I tried I couldn't figure it out I do also how does ancient Sumerian Connect to Hebrew right is there any correlation between ancient Sumerian and ancient Hebrew do they share any roots is there any Are there any bridges that connect those two languages? I have no idea. I don't know either But you know you're dealing with if if it really goes back that far So if he's talking about this term from ancient Sumer where they are calling it a drug. They're saying it's a mushroom And this is from five thousand years ago six thousand years ago, you know, you're predating the Bible by a long stretch And how old was that?

2:18:57I mean if if they're right about turkey and turkey was the original Civilization like what when is that? Is that a twelve thousand years ago? What what is the real date of Egypt? What is the real date of the original structures of Egypt? Do they know? I mean we're told it's two thousand five hundred BC for the great pyramid, but boy There's a lot of people that don't agree with that including geologists when you get guys like Robert shock You say like this water erosion is thousands of years of rainfall Last time you had a heavy rainfall in the Nile Valley. You're looking at nine thousand years ago So you have thousands of years of rainfall before nine thousand years ago that's going to create this kind of erosion And so it's hard to know because everybody wants to be right and they all they all have this date that they've been talking about and writing books about and giving lectures about They never want to revise that They they gatekeep that information until the day they never want to have an open mind say perhaps there's this There is evidence of course that there was a sophisticated civilization there Two thousand five hundred BC, but maybe they were a part of a very old civilization And this is the Zeptepi thing that Zawi Hawass was Totally ignorant of and he thought it was just completely bullshit And this is the king's list that goes back 30 thousand years that they they talk about and the way Egyptologists that are conventional thinkers.

2:20:19They think that it's mythology. They think that's myth But you know you get to about two thousand five hundred BC. That's all real Well, how the fuck do you know Right, they don't you don't and also if if there was an advanced civilization 11 ,800 years ago that was able to create go back to Tepi which we know now to be true What else have we not found right was it a breakaway civilization did they escape the earth and go to the moon right? Or like they're trying to do now or You know, was it just that they had achieved a very high level of sophistication in technology That's very different from the path that we took right totally that's what I think I think the path that they took involved immense stone structures Cosmology, they probably didn't have internal combustion engines They probably had a completely different kind of technology that we wouldn't even think of because we went in this Internal combustion engine plastic microchip electricity.

2:21:14We went into that direction. Yeah, but you could imagine Primitive man evolving to create technology that's far different than the way we went Yeah, do you think we might have cracked that somewhere like in some deep black programs that we could have that They wouldn't want to unleash that on society because it could like fuck up the economic system or like Claps the world. I don't just you know michael's believes that there there's gravity technology that they were researching in the 1960s and then they had achieved some sort of Breakthrough propulsion system that is probably a lot of what you see when you see these UAPs and these crafts that move in very strange ways Yeah, that makes sense to me They make I mean the and again the idea that they couldn't keep that secret shut the fuck up.

2:21:59Of course they could right of course they could There's this lady Catherine Fitz who's the she was the head of the department of HUD under George Bush And they brought her in After like the mortgage crisis to like figure out how to like restabilize the economy and what the banks were doing and all this stuff and she was looking at Like missing money and she found that there was like When she when she applied her knowledge of mathematics and like what's going on with like the the federal budget and where all the money is going She said the most reasonable explanation. No, there's like 21 trillion dollars missing from the DOD The day before 9 -11 Donald Trump's like there's like two to two and a half trillion dollars whatever it was Now that's ballooned to like 21 trillion dollars and she thinks that You know, well, let's pull up the spreadsheet.

2:22:53See where that money went up. It's not on the receipt Well, I don't know where it went. She thinks it went to like black budget shit like military black military technology Like anti -gravity and she thinks that Mr. Global whoever that is the bankers the central bankers are Literally using all of that money and funneling it into black projects to create a breakaway civilization in case there's like some sort of catastrophe on earth Or something happens. Oh god, and like where are they doing this? They're doing this at fucking Lockheed Martin I don't know. Are you underground or something maybe yeah.

2:23:27Oh, yeah That's another thing she says she says there's a lot of money that's going into building all these underground underground bases Continuity of government tunnel systems all this stuff and I'm looking at something like she worked under the Bush administration She was like a financial genius, right, but she could be a cook she could be yeah, that's the problem when people are Super intelligent, but also crazy. Yeah, you know, and I also had a prominent position in government, but also crazy. Yeah I guess there's a lot of it really intelligent people that are super crazy and did she physically as she Been to these places like how does she know that they're real?

2:24:02Does she know as she talked to someone to explain this breakaway civilization thing or just a theory? She's friends with the dude who wrote the book that's titled swastika's siops and saucers What What's that book about how the Nazis are controlling UFOs and and siops and controlling the world and you know Playing the world like it's their fucking Docu drama and and recreating reality and inventing all this crazy off -world stuff and how Roswell was Soviet Union crashing stuff here, and basically it's all Nazi black budget stuff I think is like the the main point the fact today Dismissed the idea that we're visited it all by something from somewhere else I mean who what do you mean who who like these people that think that it's all Nazi stuff and Soviet Union stuff I don't think that they're saying it's all that but they're probably saying I haven't read all his books But I think he's saying when he wrote that book it was probably all Nazis no aliens, but now I'm sure his points his views have evolved on it That's part of the problem too.

2:25:06It's like yeah You know when you see these reports whenever I see like a story that's in the New York Times where the Pentagon is admitting We have you know There's been off -world crafts and all these different things and you get these David grush guys that are Testifying about that we've recovered crashed vehicles. It's like How much of that is a siop? I think most of it. I think a lot of it. Yeah I don't even know if it's if they know it's a siop But if I was the government and I was working on top secret propulsion systems the first thing I would do It's spread a bunch of fake rumors about UFOs.

2:25:38Yes. This is how we can't explain it We don't know we're being visited with their super intelligent. We don't know where they're from We don't know how they're doing this Yeah, and then you have an explanation for why these people are seeing these things in the sky when it's really just your shit That you're flying around um, but yet if you listen to jock valet and you read any of his books He's got these stories that people are telling from the 1700s and the 1800s that mirror almost exactly the experiences that people are having today That's where it gets weird because okay, now you're predating any possibility of this being Modern technology, you know, that is just hidden and tucked away.

2:26:17They couldn't have done that in the 1700s There were no way they didn't even have airplanes yet, right? Okay, so if we admit that Then we have to go okay, well what what's going on then? Are we is there something else here that's here that's been here forever Like some people think or are we looking at something that's visiting us and keeping an eye on us from somewhere else That's where it's fun that part that's the fun one The fun one is not that it's ours the fun one is that we're being visited. Yeah, like And Are we being visited or did they just live under the oceans right? You know, like how they've been here fucking forever And like you know, there's this case Richard Dolan came on my show recently and he was telling me he wrote this new book about all the underwater cases Ever documented the underwater UFOs USOs and there's one from like the early 1700s where there was this like ship sailing across the Pacific and this giant Glowing orb came out of the ocean and these sailors all wrote about it how this just massive like football stadium size glowing orb came up out of the ocean and like flew away and And you know like if we look how much of the ocean have we explored like how very small very small amount we floor more of the moon I think it would be the perfect base If you wanted to come here and observe human beings without them being able to see what's going on That's the best place to hide because no one's going there.

2:27:41They don't have the capability of going there You know, we have submarines, but I mean how what are the I mean if the submarines see things did they tell us yeah If the submarines are UFO underwater would they have a press conference right exactly? No We know about the nuclear bases above ground because those guys have come and said talked about it, but like All of the nuclear submarines that are patrolling the oceans at all times like right off of our coast off both coasts Like if they're carrying multiple nuclear warheads. I'm sure they're seeing something or they're detecting something there Well, there's one video something that was moving 500 knots under the water.

2:28:13Yeah, it's thing that like flew by their camera They don't on the sub. Yeah, I was I forget where it was being recorded But it was a video something that was like a beam of light that shot through the screen Like you'd see it moving underwater at this insane rate of speed with no ripples no disruption of the water just moving through the water Yeah, and then there's these trans medium videos these videos of these things flying they go into the water with no splash No, nothing And they don't lose any momentum. Yeah, I think the best evidence of those things have been here forever It's probably like ancient stories biblical story like aliens and like angels and demon stuff like But probably like before that.

2:28:58Yes, he killed too, right? Sequel in the bible that that story is nuts the wheel within a wheel the ways describing like what are you seeing? Right And imagine there's you've no context. Yeah, imagine seeing something That's floating some geometric pattern that's hovering in the sky above your head and emitting light and trying to Explain this and then also going back and trying to remember exactly what you saw because you're probably freaking the fuck out You really do have some sort of an encounter with some orb that's flying in the sky. How do you even describe it? What context do you put it and do you just describe it as an alien?

2:29:34Do you describe it as an angel? Do you think it's god? Like what do you think it is right or is it drugs those drugs? Yeah, I'm sure Drugs play a part of it. Well then there's like James Fox's alien from the Varginia. Oh, yeah, it smelled like sulfur Right, and there's biblical accounts of demons smelling like sulfur and having clove and feet So did that exactly describes that being in James's documentary right the hospital smelled like sulfur for like a week after they said And the guy who was handling it died of a horrible infection. Yeah, this is all document The guy who picked up the alien put it in a squad card took it to a hospital That hospital wouldn't deal with it took it to another hospital That out and then that guy dies of a horrible bacterial infection that they can't cure with antibiotics Yeah, it's fucking nuts Fucking nuts, and then the all the people the eyewitnesses that were there that saw the thing and when he brings the police officer to the side of the crash The officer starts weeping uncontrollably yeah, we're counting the story unless that guy's the greatest actor of all time Right, and then what is going on?

2:30:31There's the story where he walked up to the guy's house and the guy like pulled a gun on He's like you guys come any closer. I'm shooting you. Yeah Yeah, it's weird shit. It's weird dude, and it's weird that like everyone's trying to paint their own narrative There's different groups competing on like how they want to paint the UFO thing, right? You have like different camps of people like in the government or in media I don't know what the difference is and there's guys like you and I that are basically useful idiots. Yeah, exactly come on our podcast Talk a lot shit. Yeah, I don't know Figured out folks.

2:31:01Yeah, we're feds. We're feds. We got the Palantir honey trap over here Like what is that thing that things? I'll fill with Pegasus Palantir bro They're Every single one of your little jot downs that you put on that Yeah, who knows but if you did have some sort of like infinitely superior technology and you've had it for a long time When do you if ever let the public know and how do you do with that? No, right? What if you're the guy, right? Like how many I don't know how many people know all of the secrets? Right, but if there is a handful of dudes How do you go about living your life when you're that dude and when you know like shit that can change The face of humanity forever.

2:31:40How do you go home to your wife and kids, right? Is it like are you living in that show? What's the show where they go up in the elevator and it wipes their mind? Oh severance severance. Yeah, yeah Is it like that? Do they have real life severance? That'll think so No, I think they just rely on these people being secret and you know, there's the thing about Bob Lazar story You know, Bob Lazar lost his job because his wife was cheating on him Because his wife thought that you know, he couldn't tell her what he was doing So when he was flying off to s4 He would say I got to go to work and she's like at 11 o 'clock at night on a Friday Get the fuck out of here.

2:32:13So she starts fucking this other guy and They were listening to his phone calls So they had his phone tapped and because his wife was having an affair He was deemed to be at a risk of being emotionally unstable So they released him and so then he's like this is bullshit And he starts telling people he know we're working on UFOs. They have a crashed UFO. I saw it They they fly it every Wednesday or whatever it was come. I'll show you And so he brings people out to the test site where they can observe from one of the mountains And then he gets arrested and then he goes public so that he doesn't get killed This is his justification of it all Yeah, I used to think Bob Lazar was full of shit, but I've come around on it I don't think that anymore after learning more about all the like the disinformation and all the All the time and money they put into just confusing people like the Paul Benoid story, you know I think it's he would be the perfect candidate candidate to recruit just because of his background Like you know his first wife committed suicide.

2:33:07He ran a brothel There's a nut. He was in nutcase and he was a perfect person He's perfectly they could they could deny him so easily like look at this dude's background You think we would hire this dude and also a legitimate genius right? I mean the guy put a rocket engine on a Honda in like 1985 Yeah He was a nut. He converted his corvette to a hydrogen engine Yeah, and like, you know, I think it was the 90s. He did that He had a hydrogen powered corvette that he engineered himself See if you can find Bob Lazar's hydrogen powered corvette. He was a nut You know, but he doesn't seem like a liar and the podcast obviously it resonates with people because I think the podcast I had with him on YouTube is the most viewed podcast that we've ever had including Donald Trump Really is that true Jamie?

2:33:57No, who's number one? Donnie beat him. Who's number one? Elon first Elon's number one. Okay. Um, that was the one when he smoked weed. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah Yeah, the smoking weed really took it over the top. That was a good that was a good moment Do you smoke on all podcasts? No, no, just certain ones just terms. Yeah, so this is Bob Lazar's hydrogen powered corvette That's amazing. What a fucking cook. It's beautiful. What a cook. I mean who fucking did that? This guy created a hydrogen powered corvette and that's an old -ass corvette, too I mean shitty one in the 90s if you throw and shit at the wall trying to figure out a new way to move fucking planes That you might as well find people like this.

2:34:34So homemade hydrogen powered corvette Look at this play it go full screen Oh, this is way throwback. Yeah, I don't hear anything. I just read it It produces hydrogen in the car burns it so there's never much gaseous hydrogen in the system at any given time So these are the these are the fuel lines. No, what are these? No, these are the They're looking at for here goes there goes actually heater in the tank and also reads back the temperature of the tank What is that important? Well, and you have I heat to hydride it releases Hydrogen so as powers applied to hear it heats the hydride right and then the gas comes out The big hoses on the end They have four hoses do they all mix into one big hose?

2:35:25Yeah Didn't he like hang out with edtell edteller or talked to edteller? I don't know At a certain rate with a certain temperature and a single tank you can't get it out at the volume you need So this guy was a legitimate genius and a propulsion expert And that's why they brought him in to say how does this work? Yeah, and That story he's told the same story for you know, whatever it is now 50 plus years or 40 years. Yeah What is well year was it and there's a good reason I think 85 so 40 years Somewhere around 85 the biggest argument against him is the is the MIT stuff right? Yeah, but there's something that I'm sure But the MIT thing though like look if you're working at Los Alamos labs and you're working on top secret stuff for the government It's not inconceivable that you'd be educated in the MIT and there wouldn't be a record of it Especially if you're working on something that's like really devious shit.

2:36:21Yeah, yeah I'll tell you what he told me off the air you will yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah All right, so we're done we'll wrap this up. No, I wanted us like like the stuff in the stuff like the the thing that is so Estonishing to me is like all of the brightest minds and unlimited money have gone to more and more ways to figure out how to kill people Like they during the Operation Paperclip during the time Bob Lazar was at Los Alamos and at S4 if he was at S4 or whatever that was going on there like and and that dude John von Neumann who was the mathematician who was He was and he came up the equation To who and who by the way was like the most brilliant mathematical mind of Art of in American history came up with the the equation of the perfect altitude to detonate Fat man and little boy to kill the most people Which is like you're using this fucking intellect to do these kinds of things hmm and Now there's a 21 trillion dollar black hole in the DOD like Imagine what they could have what they could have they could have something that's probably I mean Going way out in the limb conjecture obviously.

2:37:35I don't fucking know, but like My My conspiracy mind wants to go to like oh my god. They have like another whole military Air Force Navy that is disconnected from America. That is probably more powerful than every other country combined That could just you know take over the world in an instant, but can't they already wipe each other out? I mean that the whole world has nuclear weapons. There's nuclear weapons and how many different countries? Yeah, they all launched some simultaneous so there's no life left on earth What I'm saying with the 21 trillion they could have some fucking weapon that would Render a new completely irrelevant, you know if they do have anti -gravity and if they'd have figured out Some of this crazy parapsychology stuff the psionic stuff with the UFOs and like the mind interfacing You know all this just kooky stuff that you want to ease you want to dismiss But 21 trillion if they were if they were spending 50 dollars on stargate And they they thought it was worth some sort of intelligence to spy on the Russians Like how much money would they keep throwing at something if there was just a shred of possibility that it could work And if there was evidence that like this works 3 % of the time and we spent a million dollars on it Let's spend a trillion dollars on it and see how much more advanced we can get and see how much more control and World domination we can get and one of the things the Lazar said about the craft that he was the sport model Which is that thing on the desk?

2:39:02That's the copy of it Um the one of the things that he said about it was that there was no controls When you sit inside the thing there's no right there's no joystick. There's no steering wheel see the user mind. Yeah There was probably some I mean that's probably what we're getting to anyway We're kind of close to that with phones now. Yeah, right like how many times do you text where you don't even text Just press the button and say you know text Danny say this and it just says it for you or you know How old is Barbara Streisand and it just it gives you an instant information You're talking to it all the time is like and what's the next step?

2:39:40Well the next step is you think it like you wear it And you think and it does things for you and then as technology scales further and further more advanced You're going to get to a point where you can move your car with your mind And then when you have space craft of course, it would be the same sort of technology You would use technology to move the craft with your mind You know, they already have these interfaces with fighter pilots where where you look is where the crosshair shows up So instead of having to like move Across here with like a like yeah, you know like if you're playing a video game and you're moving the mouse You're moving the crosshair to the side or if you're using a Xbox controller You're moving that crosshair to where you want to hit right the crosshair goes where their eyes go So you're wearing this thing that knows where you're looking and they already have this kind of technology with virtual reality They have this technology with these metaglasses that they're developing So they can while you're while you have this helmet on this helmet is not simply a thing that protects your head It's an electronic interface with the guidance system and where your eyes look the crosshairs go Yo, did you see the LLM stuff trying to get soldiers to leave the battlefield Within the Russia Ukraine war no, they're using LLMs to and they're and the Russians are like hacking the Ukrainians phones with LLMs Reading everything on their phones seeing how they communicate with their family and using LLMs to send messages To their phones of like their family trying to get them to lay down their weapons and leave the war whoa Yeah Whoa, yeah, like where does that end up?

2:41:18Well, that's what gets real weird because if you get if AI Starts controlling all the war systems and it just has a goal and it doesn't have any ethics or morals or any concern about life or death It just has a it has a directive like I want you to accomplish this take control of the resources in dumbass Do this do that whatever it is just does it the most effective way possible is to be unbelievably brutal Yeah, and then like even shit like telepathy or like being able to communicate without words Well, Elon says that's 100 % the goal of knurling. Are you optimistic about that? I'm not optimistic or pessimistic.

2:41:58It's I think it's inevitable. Yeah, I think we're we're looking at What we have now as normal because it's become normal to carry around a phone with you everywhere It's become normal to have an apple watch on and get all your text messages on your wrist It's become normal and I think it's it'll become normal to be interfaced with the great hive mind I think we're all gonna be connected with some new technology the same way We're all connected with social media and email and FaceTime videos and all that shit that we are now what's that message We're all gonna be connected with something that's far more technologically advanced and it'll become normal Just like this is normal.

2:42:36I just hope like if it does get there when it does get there that we can overcome This sort of Place that we've reached with social media where people are just like spading out whatever comes to their To the front of their mind at any given moment or like just like rage impulse and and fighting where there's no There's no filter which I think is just created more and more division amused miscommunication. Oh, yeah Like if you're if me and you are just talking and we're communicating our minds back and forth right I don't know how your mind works, but my mind is like a constant hornet's nest of fucking ideas Just bouncing around everywhere.

2:43:12Yeah, right So if you could read my mind you're gonna be so goddamn confused and there's probably gonna be shit in there You don't I don't want you to know and it's like I compare like to the writing process right like when you write You know about writing more than anyone when you write something and you try to like Distill an idea down to like the most profile precise Form to communicate it accurately to the audience right like you go through so many revisions and refine You revise and you refine until you get it perfect So you can communicate that message to your audience But if it's just if it's just a direct stream of consciousness unedited I can't imagine that would be a good thing.

2:43:50You know unless you're like some Some meditative yogi that like has a really editorialized stream of consciousness I don't maybe instead of just having access to all your thoughts. Maybe it's just simply What you're trying to communicate about your thoughts? Maybe it won't be as simple as we all have access to each other's minds Maybe it would just be much more you'll be able to purely Transmit your feelings and your ideas without the context of a language Maybe we'll have to develop some sort of universal language. Yeah, which would be you know the taboo tower of battle You know, I've made that connection.

2:44:29I mean that connection last night. I think about Christ like Christ was of a virgin birth Like what's more of a virgin birth than sentient super intelligence from AI? Yeah, if that becomes a being Yeah, that is essentially a god and is given birth by a virgin mother. I mean, that's the story of Christ It's just it's just confusing It's just confusing if you translate it over and over and over and over time But if Christ is supposed to return That would be a way something like a god would return It would return through artificial intelligence if it just emerged out of our creation and our insatiable desire to make new and better things Yeah, no that that makes a lot of sense like why else do we have this insane desire to have new and improved things?

2:45:13Because like isn't your phone good enough? Like I have a Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra and I have an iPhone 16 That good They're good enough. They don't you don't need to make a better one. Have you seen Westworld on HBO? Uh -huh Yeah, one of my favorite season one. It's fucking amazing. It's the best got a little squirrely in season two This season two and three. Yeah, I got a little squirrely for sure But like one of my favorite lines in that is when he's when Ford is talking to Bernard and or not Bernard one of the ladies one of the robots and he's like Explaining the the human psyche and he's like all of the greatest achievements of humanity The the Eiffel Tower the statue of David the Mona Lisa All just elaborate an elaborate meeting call.

2:45:57It's all peacock feathers It's all just this desire to Pro -create and to you know, it's it's that really got me fucking thinking and it's like Is that what drives human beings to do things and for to create new things and new art? I always thought it was sex But I think it might be That Combined with the fear of death because we we want to live forever and we want we want to have a symbolic immortality We want to leave something behind after we die It might not just be sex. It might just be social recognition. Yeah status Yeah, you know, you want to be adored as a genius. Yeah And there's also that painting that in on the sistine chapel the creation of Adam Which is also in that movie where it shows god creating Adam and all the angels And he's sitting inside of the perfect anatomical illustration of a human brain if you look at it.

2:46:56Can you find that Jamie? Yeah, pull up the creation of Adam And it's got like the the prefrontal cortex the brain stem the visual cortex It's all there and he's creating Adam and like the point he makes in the movie is like Whoa the divine gift does not come from a higher power, but from the human mind That's bananas Let me see that other image that you just had of the two of them below it No, I'm sorry. Go back to that one and then go below it the one that you just had Um with the brain with the one with the brain. Yeah, the bottom right. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, look at that That's weird man.

2:47:33It is weird isn't it's pretty close. Yeah, but it's also that that is you know the eye of Horus um When you look at the side section across section of the um Pineal gland it looks exactly like that. Mm -hmm. There's weird symbiotology. What looks just like that? The um the eye of Horus ancient Egyptian um go to uh The so that gland when you see it at the bottom go to the eye of Horus go uh pineal gland eye of Horus to take out the cysteine chapel Yeah, there it is So that's what the eye of Horus looks like. It looks exactly like the pineal gland. It's the same shape If there's a lot of weirdness man.

2:48:24Yeah, dude ancient art like what were they trying to say Like what were they trying to document? It's funny. The people who like don't believe Jesus existed They'll make the argument like Imagine 2000 years from now that uh People wanted to say that there was this mythical divine Person and he existed because we know there's this divine trilogy Called the Lord of the Rings and his name was Gandalf and he came from the center of the earth Was like no other no nothing else corroborates it But you know, I don't know I think Jesus was a real person It seems like it was a real person. Yeah, the question is like What really happened right in the whole coming back from the dead things like what was that all about right?

2:49:07Yeah, I don't think that's real Well, it doesn't make any sense, but right neither does the birth of the universe from something smaller than the head of a pin That doesn't make any sense either. Yeah, but if you you know If there's one unique moment in time that god did send us his son to try to like sort things out and we wound up killing him He died for our sins you know like Would that be any weirder than supermassive black holes? Would that be any weirder than most of the stuff that we know is real and how do you reconcile that with the simulation? You know, I don't know You mean it might be part of the whole weirdness of this whole thing is that we have mythology Part of the weirdness of the simulation of the simulation might be that we have this fantastical mythology that you sort of have to suspend disbelief And accept it's part of this whole weirdness that we have where we're susceptible to ideological belief systems like cults You know like political ideologies were essentially just like cults You know when you're on the right and you're you know right with everything and you know You're all MAGA or if you're on the left you're blue no matter who you're in a cult You're in a cult people get into cults and why is that like why is that a part of if we aren't a simulation Why are we so malleable is it because we recognize it and we're supposed to Oppose it and we're supposed to fight the instinct that we all deeply have embedded in our system But we also know as wrong like what is it about these systems like why is that in place is this simply or a Just an ancient relic of our tribal past where you had to follow the rules of the tribe in order to survive and so is instilled in people in the psyche That's how we developed or is there something more to it?

2:50:52Is it like part of the mechanism that allows us to resist which allows us to innovate which encourages us to push forward and ask more questions Because we know there's a lot of bullshit Like the reason why people ask so many questions now In 2025 as opposed to 2019 is because of COVID because we went through so much bullshit and propaganda We were so gaslit by the government by the CDC by everybody. Yeah, that now we question way more So it's probably benefited us somewhat to go through that. Yeah, when Mary was on here did you tell you about Kevin McKiernan? He was the dude who worked for the human genome project like a DNA wizard He liked he basically was working for the human genome project trying to figure out different sort of medical Treatments for cancers based on your genome So like they could target a specific type of leukemia in you and they would take your DNA and they would like basically make designer Drugs to target that cancer and to kill that cancer And during the pandemic somebody Sent him for unopened vials of the Pfizer vaccine And he analyzed them and ran him through all of his processing systems whatever whatever the fuck he does And he found out there was a DNA plasma contamination in them which were like promoters of this SB 40 shit I did hear about that.

2:52:17Yeah, I talked to Brett Weinstein about that and he was explaining that when they first Were sequencing certain vaccines? They you know because with the vaccine you have to use living cells in the order to create these antibodies initially Yeah, and when he's for traditional vaccines, right? Yeah, and so when they started using these things They were using kidney cells of these monkeys and they didn't understand that these monkeys had this SB 40 Simeon virus 40 right and that this when introduced into human cells causes tumors. Yep causes cancer like rampant cancer You see the uptick of cancer and everyone else like bury their head in the sand.

2:52:57I pretended it didn't happen People that took the vaccine are getting fucking cancer at an astounding rate. Yeah, I missed And Kevin was was telling me that he was doing study. He pulled some tumors From some people that died somewhere in Europe And he was studying sequencing the tumors of these people that died With the vaccine and he said that the the SB 40 was in the tumors and some I don't know I don't remember the signs that I have to go back and listen to it By the way that episode got pulled off YouTube real off my channel. I got a strike for it What is a Medical misinformation what part of its medical misinformation the whole thing we talked about vaccines and we talked about what year was this this was like November of last year.

2:53:42Whoa, yeah I wonder if you could put it up now because they seem to be scared and dug didn't they they changed their their regulations recently Did they yeah, they changed their guidelines What's the problem with this shit dude? I'm like I'm so afraid to talk about should I want to talk about I know in that It's like yeah, it sucks dude if it sucks because there's no way to know who's telling the truth unless you let people say crazy shit And then have someone come on refute it and then have the two of them get together and debate it right You know, and then even then sometimes you don't know like with this Flint Dibble Graham Hancock thing Yeah, you know if it wasn't for Dan Richards We wouldn't know that a lot of the things that Flint Dibble said were just absolutely not true right right YouTube loosens rules guiding moderation of videos yeah, so um Favorite freedom of expression over the risk of harm in deciding what to take down so specifically Scroll down to what they said with the the actual The policy shift which hasn't publicly disclosed uh What does it say public statements what did they used language that I thought was they don't make public statements more They broad brush it they don't give you an exact reason they just say oh this falls into this category like there's no jury at YouTube They're just like they find the most excusable reason to go back to where you were go back to where you were Recognize in the definition of public interest is always evolving we update our guidelines for these exceptions to reflect the new types of discussions We see on our platform today our goal remains the same to protect free expression on YouTube while mitigating egregious harm So, you know they could still but the thing is like They're controlled by their advertisers to a certain extent and I don't buy that shit, dude What do you mean they get funds from the advertisers?

2:55:24They're Google though. They let they fucking own advertising like You're gonna tell me like some company is gonna go to go to Google and say listen, bro We're not gonna advertise you with you unless you take that guy's video down No, I think pharmaceutical drug companies have influence and I think if you're getting an enormous percentage of your advertising revenue from pharmaceutical drug companies Which Cali means has said the reason why they do that is not to promote their drugs It's to stop criticism And this is why they promote this why brought to you by Pfizer Anderson Cooper brought to you by Pfizer Why what the what that is for is to make sure that they never criticize Pfizer sure I understand that and it works right for for cable TV Yeah, but for like YouTube has a monopoly on advertising Google does at least I just I mean I guess I could see it But like you know they got fucking trillions of dollars like so this is YouTube's ad Apocalypse and the gatekeeping of cultural content on digital platforms.

2:56:17This is how it all started 2017 advertiser revolt on YouTube popularly known as the ad apocalypse introduce widespread and radical changes on the platform's policy related to moderation content Their monet is a monetize ability and the terms of the relationship between the creators and the platform And these changes in turn have caused significant discontent within the creator community We're also gradually transforming the predominant nature of the content on the platform. So they did do it. They did it by cutting up the ads. Yeah Yeah, it's it's dirty business man And they're they're doing it because they don't want people finding out certain things that are actually true And that's what they did during the pandemic.

2:57:00Yeah, that's what the FBI tried to do when they They were banning people like J about a chariot prominent scientists and like legitimate academics, but then I'll have like you have the same thing will happen to videos I do about UFOs like really not taken down, but you know how shit will get like buried where you can't search for it Oh, yeah me and Jesse were talking about this. This happened to Jesse too with one with grush where he was like There was like the number one video on grush and all of a sudden you can't search it Like stuff like that. I mean the the COVID one was the first one. I actually had taken down Which was scary and it makes me think about that I hate the fact that I actually have to think About whether I'm gonna get the axe.

2:57:39I know based on the topic. I'm discussing like where like I don't know if that leads That doesn't lead to a good place as far as journalism goes because journalism is supposed to be shining light on the dark Places that people don't want to shine. It's the best people off Especially when you consider that a lot of the things that you used to be taken down for are now confirmed Like the lab leak theory. Yeah, that used to get you kicked off of YouTube saying masks don't work That would get you kicked off of YouTube like all these things that we now know to be true that the the vaccine does not stop Infection that would get you kicked off YouTube right all these things that we now know are a hundred percent fat And it's all orchestrated by financial interests.

2:58:16Mm -hmm. Yeah, the um The SB 40 stuff is it's quick it's wicked freaky dude. It's wicked freaky liquid with the with the cancer and how you know It goes all the way back to the his the the early days in the 60s or the early 50s and 60s in New Orleans how they're working Trying to develop the polio vaccine with Alton Oshner. Yeah, Tulane University and trying to weaponize some sort of a There's a theory based on that book Mary's monkey where they were growing the polio vaccines on the monkey kidneys and Using this to also create bio weapons to assassinate people like Castro And that's what apparently what according to that book what um Lee Harvey Oswald was doing with that lady Mary Sherman and they were using that linach machine to try to like super charge the SB 40 to make it more deadly Oh my god.

2:59:06They induce cancer with people Jesus Christ. Yeah, and then God that like the the event that cutter event where Alton injected his two grandkids with the polio vaccine in front of the whole auditorium of students and His granddaughter lived was paralyzed but his grandson died the next day Right after they did that and they were like there's people pushing back like don't do this We tested this on monkeys and like half of our dead. Let's not push this out. I think it was the sulk vaccine the sulk polio vaccine And then they fucking did it anyways Yeah, well, I think you got to be able to talk about this stuff.

2:59:44Yeah, even if you get get it wrong and even if someone comes on They say things that can be refuted. Yeah, refuted then that's the whole point of all this. Yeah, if someone comes on and says something That's not correct. I hope it stays. No Bless you. Thank you. If someone comes on and says something's not correct Like have someone on that refuted figure it out. There's you have to be able to talk about stuff And some of it's fun. Yeah, it's fun. It's all super fun. It is, right? Yeah. How'd you get started? Well, I didn't I obviously didn't always do podcasts, but I was originally I was wanted to make movies when I used to call it concrete Why was it called concrete?

3:00:21So okay, I'll tell you it was uh First of all, I always wanted to make movies and I was a little kid. I was telling Jamie the story earlier I tried to go to full I was gonna go to full sail or Jamie went in Florida in Orlando But it was just I didn't have the money to do it and I couldn't get into UCX my my grades were shit In high school. So luckily I got the opportunity to work on this movie called Dolphin Tale It was a as a movie about a dolphin who got its tail stuck in a crab trap and they had and Morgan Freeman came in and built it a prosthetic tail and uh And it was swimming around in the aquarium and carry conic junior and Morgan Freeman were in it and it was like a big you know Warner Bros movie and I realized working as a camera production assistant on that movie That was my film school, but I realized I did not want anything to do with making movies because it was the closest thing I ever experienced to work in construction It was like I was in charge of swapping the camera lenses the camera batteries taking the SD cards back to the media truck Getting everybody breakfast and coffee and these dudes these camera department Do's a lot of them are really cool like the dude Petsu Karini who was the underwater cinematographer who filmed all the parts of the Caribbean movies He was fucking awesome But a lot of the other guys were like really unhappy like deeply unhappy because they never saw their families They were always on the road face took a lot of them on their like third fourth wives Face timing their kids and it was like, you know, they were like carnies with dental plans They made great money, but they were they were fucking deeply unhappy So like I realized I didn't want to make movies anymore So I started an advertising company and Make commercials and I started doing like spec ads and like winning a bunch of contests to make commercials I one really one big contest for Land Rover USA where we made like a free ad and they paid us to make a bunch of other ads for them And then that's where concrete came in so I was it was called something else And I got sued by some advertising company in California saying hey, bitch can't use this name anymore change your name So my friend who owns a concrete construction company said bro, there's this Really cool website domain for sale with concrete with a K It's like a couple thousand bucks.

3:02:29You want to you should buy it. I was gonna buy it. I'm like sure fuck you. It's good So I called my company concrete Stupid and then um and had you started a podcast so So after the advertising stuff I started I met a bunch of people I met Hulk Hogan in the process of the whole advertising thing because me and Hulk live like five minutes from each other And which is like five minutes from the church Scientology, which is great and we started I started making a bunch of commercials with him because he would always have companies that would hit him out and say yo, let's partner on this new product and One of them was a hosting company Called host of many they want to make Hulk the face of the company and we created this whole fucking thing Where we it was like right when Miley Cyrus dropped the wrecking ball video and we put Hulk on a wrecking ball Like you'll Hulk we want to put you on a wrecking ball and have you freaking dropkick van Damme Who's like the go daddy guy right and he's like fuck yeah brother.

3:03:23Let's do it. This is it It was actually it was poor execution, but it was funny and uh he's like brother There's only one thing missing from this commercial idea. I'm like what? I need to be in a birthday suit

3:03:40So we did that and Then I started working on a bunch of like show this was like the boom of reality shows when like duck dynasty and pond stars We're all taking off so I was like I could probably fucking make a reality show So I hit a bunch of my friends and we started like Touring around trying to find people to come up with like TV show ideas and concepts and I got a couple People to invest in a couple TV show ideas pilots that I spent like six years working on and It was this long process of shooting editing taking notes Uh from production companies that you know We have to you know how this works, but you have to like work with production companies who already have relationships with networks And they were like constantly giving us notes like okay change this for A &E change this for spike TV And we got to make sure it fits each network because we were pitching these network these showed all these networks I was like okay, great.

3:04:33So it's just this roller coaster of emotions of like oh my god We're gonna get we're gonna sell a TV show. We're gonna do a TV show And then finally we got one of those shows to a green light meeting at spike TV or A &E And like I was like this is it we're gonna do it and the CEO of Icom killed it because it did not fit their roster of existing advertisers And I was just like so frustrated and fed up with it. I was like fuck this I'm taking all this stuff that I've been working on and I'm gonna repackage them and put them on YouTube And I did and the first one that really took off got millions of views in like 2015 was called Deccans And it was the story of these alcoholic dudes these drunks that were hanging out in front of 7 -Eleven And this little sleepy town called my dear beach run from So me and my buddy Luke went up and we started Filming these guys and asking him questions like yo, what the fuck do you guys do here every day?

3:05:29And they're like we're fucking fisherman bro come see how we live And one of these dudes took us back to his boat he lived on he had this broken down boat in this old Dusty marina Where it was it the boat didn't work, but he had he lived in this boat and it had amplifiers stacked to the ceiling He had a stack of porno DVDs like six feet tall laser light machines fog machines and he wore these fairy wings and like an armor helmet And he would jam out to like rob zombie on his guitar while playing the music videos on this Big projection screen in his boat And we're like this is fucking the twilight zone, dude And then they started telling us more and more about like what they do.

3:06:07This is it. Yeah, this is the first episode The gates of hell. This is Shane Lee

3:06:15So we're like we're asking these guys about like what do you like your fishermen? But like explain to me. How does this thing? How does this work? And they were all pissed off about Wow, we're getting screwed by the boat owners and these ifq's and we don't make any money and You know We're like, dude, there might be a story here. So we started interviewing more people We give eventually interviewed the people who own the boats and own the fish houses So like Madera Beach is the John's Pass, Florida is the grouper capital of the world. There's more grouper caught there than anywhere in the world and The way it works is before 2007 There was a quota system where it was like for red snapper it was like three million pounds Per year are allowed to be caught in this area, right?

3:07:03So it was like Derby fishing So all the boats would go out and they would catch as much fish as they possibly could And they would wait at the when they get back from their trip and then they would you know Quantify that or or you know tell the federal government. This is where we're at And sometimes they would reach that three million pound limit in like October So what do they have to do for the rest of the year they stop fishing they can't do anything so in 2007 the federal government made a monopoly Where they gave boat owners An allotment of fishing quota Per year so some guys got a hundred thousand pounds some guys got two hundred thousand pounds Which is if it's red snapper that's a dollar a pound So that's like the best retirement plan known to man the federal government is handing you two hundred thousand pounds red snapper quota per year and Then what happened was Eventually the boat owners sold off their quota and now it's become so Discombobulated where now like you can just buy this fishing quota and trade it like stock You don't have to own a boat you don't have to be a fisherman you could just be So do sit in Manhattan in a high rise and buying and selling fishing quota And you're not and there's there are like fishing communities in America like in the northeast Where it doesn't work like that where you have to have your hand on the throttle you have to take care of Your people and it's a lifestyle and it's like a way to it's a culture and where in Madera beach at least when I was there filming It was they were all just like carny's Carny ride operators, you know and these dudes were in the the lowest level of this of this Fishing industry are those deck hands those dudes like Shane Lee And they're fucking drug addicts.

3:08:50There are a lot of them are on hooked on heroin What that what happens is they get home from fishing from 10 10 days of fishing offshore And they get like four five thousand dollars and they blow it on prostitutes and coke and hookers and heroin And they just play their kids do they're like kids they're like kids with money and By the end by the time they run out They have to go fishing again. So they're going to all the fish house is saying bro. Let me go. Let me go So they go offshore again and they see have Where they rehab at sea for 10 days because they have no more drugs Wow, and they come back and then rinse and repeat And one of the one of the people That we interviewed there was three main characters in that in that series They were Shane Lee there was space and then there was Hollywood Kim and Hollywood Kim was the last episode which was Sometimes when I think I have problems in my life I remember her story and realized I don't really know what fucking problems are She uh was from Alabama and when she was 17 years old she gave birth to her father's son Oh god And when she was six years old she would wake up every morning and ride her bike to the beach to try to escape her dad And no one would believe her she tried telling people And no one would believe her because her dad was a cop oh god So she eventually gave birth to her son And escaped to Florida And became a deckhand working fishing and uh working on these boats dude And she was just I met her and she would wake up every morning and just start slam in vodka and looking for drugs And uh dude it was just the twilight zone in my own backyard Wow it was nuts and then that led to like podcasts like so After that then we're just like now let's start doing podcasts in between these documentaries You know more content and the podcast started to get more views in the documentaries and Here we are.

3:10:43Well, I'm glad it happened. You got a great show man. Thanks, bro And I appreciate you coming on here man. It was a lot of fun. Thank you. Let's do it again for sure Danny Jones show it is on YouTube. Yeah, you want Spotify as well? Yeah, you two Spotify It's just at Danny Jones on YouTube all right and the same with Instagram It's an awesome show. That's it baby. There's lots of fun stuff on there. All right. Thanks, brother. Thank you. Bye, buddy