#2355 - Mike Baker

33:49He doesn't know what he's talking about. Yeah, he wasn't a good financial advisor Yeah, I mean, I think part of it is you can say okay. Why was he collecting people around him? Why was he do it? Was he keeping a file right you still have to figure out what that file looks like um, you know part of it could have been initially Self -preservation, right? I mean he's engaged in all sorts of activity He gets a few people into it then suddenly, you know, he doesn't look so bad Right, and he's kind of protecting himself because now I'm surrounded by people who also have to keep that secret And so but then but then the question becomes You know is at what point is he or somebody in this little tight circle?

34:23They're there approached Right by anybody who's interested in some of these folks But we don't know because we don't know who the fucks in these files, right? So Or if the files even exist if the files even exist and apparently, you know, there's nothing in there according to bam bondy and cash Patel the whole thing's nuts. Yeah, and then you know the have bond genome and cash Patel saying he definitely killed himself like what Yeah, what okay, it's just the level of convenience It's so convenient that the guards were asleep so convenient that the cameras didn't work So convenient that years later you have a recording of the outside of the cell, but a minute is missing from it Yeah, yeah, three minutes.

35:04Yeah, they found out it was like almost three minutes was missing Two minutes like 53 like the missing watergate tape. Oh, I thought I was just starting it Start off as a minute and then people kept looking at the metadata and metadata and are like okay It was saved this many times. Oh To three minutes. God. Okay. That's plenty of time to kill somebody three minutes is more than enough time Three minutes you can get a whole bunch of people killed by them. You saw that guy that was his cell mate, too, right? Yeah Guy is a fucking gigantic human being a huge guy who was a mass murderer It would killed multiple people a bad cop who was built like a brick fucking shit house The kind of guy that you could really easily get to strangle somebody.

35:45Yeah, it would take him I could kill him in 30 seconds. Yeah, no How is this fucking giant dude could do it easy metadata from raw Epstein no thanks Metadata from raw Epstein prison video shows approximately two minutes and 53 seconds were removed From one of the two stitched together clips the cut starts off at the missing minute Wow Yeah, shocker. Yeah, yeah, so a guy like that decides Yeah, he's gonna off himself. I again, but here's the thing is like these guys that are all involved in this are still They've been around for a long time and they have this mentality that existed before the internet Where you could just kind of put stuff out there and you wouldn't have all these psycho sleuths out there That are gonna go over everything with a fine tooth comb especially guys who are tech wizards who can look at the metadata and he can Figure this kind of stuff out.

36:39Well shit died a lot quicker. You're right So something would happen and look we still have ADHD right collectively as a nation right If things move on and I think maybe that's what they're you know And some people are saying look they've called the recess on Capitol Hill because they figured by the time they come back in September Everybody will have moved on from this right. Yeah, I think they're wrong. I don't I don't think this is this again This this feels like and and just looks like that one of those handful of conspiracies again You go to JFK whomever that's just gonna hang around There's a line in the sand.

37:08This one's a line in the sand. Yeah, because this is one where there's a lot of stuff about You know when we thought Trump was gonna come in and there a lot of things gonna be resolved Yeah, we're gonna drain the swamp gonna figure everything out and when you have this one hardcore line in the sand that everybody Been talking about forever and then they're trying to gaslight you on that Well, you would have thought to get home. Yeah, I hope not. Oh It's my wife. Should I answer silent? Yeah, it's on you know, it was on silent, but it still goes. How does that happen? It literally is on silent and are you sure?

37:43Yeah, no, I'm positive because it's got a little thing up top It says silent and and it's still my phone. Yeah, trust you your friends with me. Well They don't trust you anymore. They did call me this morning. What are you gonna talk about? I don't know. Do they ever talk to you about that? They ever have questions about your appearances here. No, no, in fact, and I I'm in the building on occasion and and we're actually working on a Show that's gonna be it's gonna be a great TV show based on this this amazing museum that's inside agency headquarters But nobody of it nobody ever says that they you know, they don't we have a really nice relationship They don't tell me what to say if I go on TV to talk about something they just like You know, they it's not like they're gonna call up and say well, here's our here's our view on this They trust you.

38:26Yeah, they trust me. I'm not gonna open my app and talk sources and methods and at the same time You know, I'm just gonna try to just talk from an operational perspective But yeah, so that was my wife which reminds me it's my boy Mugsie's birthday today. Happy birthday, Mugsie. Yeah, thank you very much With a thing like this What is the general feeling about people that you talk to that are still in the agency or people that are still involved in the government? Like how are they feeling about this because like the general public is outraged, right? Yeah, do the people inside are they frustrated?

38:58Like people that wanted this stuff to expose to be exposed Yeah, you know, it's funny because with the agency. It's not like the Bureau of the agency I think most people honestly don't really probably give a shit about the Epstein files. They're more They're more concerned now about this Release from Tulsi Gabbard and the talk about you know manipulating the intelligence You know for the 2016 election right and Russian collusion and all of that That speaks more to the agency than than the Epstein files does just from a you know whose responsibility is who's right? This is Epstein thing is a DOJ FBI issue I think if they're concerned about it.

39:35It's because of how we'd have roads trust in organizations institutions Right and then that's happened a lot. So You know, there's a lot of a lot of good people. I know again every time I talk about the agency people like fuck you You're such a show, but there's a lot of good people doing very difficult work for the agency. I believe it I believe then and so you know, I think if anything they They take it personally when people think oh fuck the CIA you got to you got to burn it down and start over again You know like they said with the FBI as well. I've talked about that many times like you don't know what the fuck is going on in the world The world is filled chaos like you need people that are paying attention to that shit And they should be on your side.

40:14Yeah, they should be on the side of the American people paying attention to threats If you'd think that that's that Not paying attention at all is going to do you any good when there's all these Countries out there that are fucking plotting constantly. You're crazy. Yeah. No, this is you're living in the utopia You're living in a fake world the real world is filled with madness And you got to have people paying attention. Yeah, but I think so I think that you know to answer that that question. I think they're more they're more focused on or interested in or you know looking at this issue of You know, and it's it's surfaced again right the same time as the Epstein falls right now It's like sucking all the oxygen out of the room for the past couple of days.

40:54Tulsi Gabbard comes out So releasing these documents. She releases these documents. What do you think about all that like so this is the accusation They're throwing around the word treason. Yeah, they're saying that Obama knew that Russia did not metal in the election Did not have any impact in the election But yet Promoted this idea and then there's been some incredible clips of all these different news reporters CNN and MSNBC Just saying over and over and over and over again clear evidence of Russian collusion and yeah Yeah, you got Hillary Clinton saying you know is is a you know an Arab illegitimacy around Trump's you know victory From 2016 because of this.

41:32I mean, she was very clear about it And as we're many others the news is tightening on Trump. Yeah, it's all gonna come out. He's an agent of Russia Yeah, Adam Schiff coming out on camera numerous times saying, you know, I can't tell you what I've seen But I've seen things. It's a lot more than circumstantial evidence about this collusion. So yeah, they But again, it's it's it's much more comp it's always the same thing. It's much more complex than What Folks tend to hear just in like a two and a half or three minute news segment, right? So the Democrats want you to think There's nothing to see here in these documents.

42:07How could you possibly spend time doing this? You're just trying to distract from the the Epstein files um, and the Republicans are saying Obama committed treason right the reality is as it oftentimes is is is somewhere in that middle right there There there's a lot of conflating of of issues here. So Nobody is questioning now that Republicans or Democrats nobody's questioning that the Russians meddled in the election Just like they did in the previous one just like they did in this last one just say they're always but they've been meddling since World War two Right since the end of the world war two they've they've always had an interest in influencing US politics Now when you say metal do you mean like social media bots?

42:50Do you mean like influencing politicians like what do you mean by metal? Yeah, well, I mean You know in the early days what were they doing in the early days they would Pay off trade union representatives right to to push a certain line to you know to push for a softer tone much like the Chinese do now push for a softer tone against the Soviet Union right or In during World War two to push for isolationism keep the US out of the war right before the Nazis turned on the Soviet Union and then they tended to need us Or they would pay journalists to write articles pushing a particular point of view And so there were those things now social media meddling is a lot easier right it's a lot cheaper for sure they do that Yeah, for sure they do that and for sure they did that in 2016 Absolutely and nobody's questioning that right what's happening is that Once again, there's a bit of a messaging problem from the Trump administration Trump administration at the end of the day is saying You What was bullshit was this Russia collusion angle right was the idea that You know, this is complicated to explain.

44:01I'm not doing a very good job of it But they're saying yes, there was meddling but you push the story meaning Brennan and Komi and you know All the others that were involved in this and they're going up to the top with Obama saying you took what was A Intel community assessment Then I see a is because everything has an acronym That said there was no indication of of Russian efforts to Push or influence in a particular direction the election right and most of that an initial reporting was on Electure election infrastructure. So there was a fairly You know significant bit there that said the Russians didn't weren't able to hack into election machines and actually alter vote counts Right, so they said we have seen no evidence of that right and So you could argue that in part The the Trump administration is having a hard time explaining much like I am that The problem here wasn't that there was anybody saying there's no meddling.

45:06There's meddling They just saying that you at a certain point around about December 9th I think it was you had a meeting where Obama was sitting in there with Komi and Andrew McCabe and a variety of others and The president himself requested a different Intelligent community assessment which is a little unusual for a president to say I like you to do a an ICA on a particular thing Which is what you did you elaborate on that like so they were telling him what well they were they were telling him we don't see Um That Russian meddling impacted the election basically The dams are saying well that's just about the electronic infrastructure about the voting machines right In reality the ICA was also That that that instruction the PD the president's daily brief and and the the the the writing that have been done the analysis have been done up to that point was saying We haven't seen anything that the Russian meddling influenced the outcome of the election Well then shortly and then they they squashed that particular piece right they said let's let's shelve that and that's what a lot of the emails that Tulsi Gabbert Released show right is that like all this agonizing it's amazing any shit gets done in the government when you read these emails Going back and forth between James Clapper at the DNI and in other places.

46:20Yeah, you sent me some of those Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the analysts and others and they're all saying okay Well, well, what kind of tone do we give it? What do we say about this and you can also see in there that they're saying We don't think the steel dossier is credible you know the two senior Russian analysts right at the agency We're telling John Brennan at the time you if you put the dossier in there as a piece of information into this assessment You're compromising the credibility of the whole thing because we don't believe it right and this is December right and Brennan Instructed and it's in writing instructed them to go ahead and do it right because it basically He was he liked the narrative Right of the steel dossier right and so he chose that over um, the analytical um Process right over the discipline that you need To corroborate information that's going to go to a high -level um intel assessment.

47:18So You know if anybody's in in the cross areas right now. It's probably John Brennan right in terms of Because he went up on on Capitol Hill at some point and and said that you know the steel dossier Didn't form an important point of you know wasn't in the the document wasn't in the ICA the ICA is now out there and and sure enough It was not only in the annex. It was in the body of the report which gives it much more credibility. So yeah, so he You know, I'm not a lawyer, but you know, I think he should be concerned a little bit about where that might go But Obama reportedly and it's in email traffic, you know requested right a different ICA And so shortly thereafter they produce Say it Uh, I forget what the exact wording.

48:05I'm like a crazy thing if you have a bunch of experts. Yeah, that give you an assessment These are the facts. This is how it went down you like I don't like those facts Well, I don't want a different set. I don't like the facts and that's where this is going to be a problem Anybody who thinks Obama's going to go to prison for treasonous conspiracy I think again much like pan body, you know with the her treating of the Epstein files, which was ridiculous It's also garbage gotten out over her skis treasonous conspiracy Is that what you said? That's what she said It's not going to happen. Anybody who thinks Obama's going to forget about it, you know It'll be you'll be lucky if you get any consequences of anything out of this again I'm very cynical about where investigations go.

48:41Well, this is also based on the Supreme Court's Justification of everything that Trump did while he was in office. You say you can't try him from In unity when there are immunity for you know for acting, you know under the authority as a president um But so and it's also very nuanced right he can sit in there He's perfectly got the right to sit in the meeting and say okay. Well, I tell you what Let's let's sit on this right and James Clapper and the others agreed I will gonna we're gonna we're gonna take this document We're gonna set it aside that we all worked on now. We want to restructure it Focused on you know the outcome of the election and the Russian meddling and where this went and how they so it was He can do that right and it's nuanced and he can and never get in trouble because yeah fine You've got the right to do that.

49:27I mean, it's not it's not illegal by any means, but There is no doubt in my mind that There was a desire to um To drive this thing in a certain direction right and so there is no doubt in my mind that A first of all using the steel dossier in there was it was just horse shit right because that that thing There hasn't been any allegation in that steel dossier that's that's been verifiable and they knew that right So so they went and they remember they used that steel dossier in part to then go to fight the courts and get warrants So that's another issue that I think from a legal perspective again not a lawyer But I think some people should be probably concerned about how they represented that information knowing Right based on kind of what we're seeing from the the document releases from Tulsi Gabbard But again, you can see by virtue of how difficult I'm I'm trying to explain it It's much more complex right then just Them bad these guys good these guys good these guys bad right it's There's layers here that I think need to be examined and I think that Um at the end of the day You're not really going to get Much like every fucking everything else that happens in DC you're not going to get a lot of satisfaction on this one But I do think I'm convinced that yeah They drove this narrative shortly after into January when they released the new ICA Then suddenly leaks to the press and that's when the russia collusion story happened right and that's the you know That's the That's the thing that they should be focused on right there.

51:04They're losing They're losing the The message because they're they're throwing shit out there. There's a lot of detail and people get bored And you know, so I think that's that's a problem They're gonna have here trying to push this thing forward And I do think also that Tulsi Gabbard should have been a little bit more circumspect in the way she explained to this Right and how she described the actions because I think there were some people who are culpable in terms of going after this Narrative and pushing the russia collusion story that then wasted a couple of years and you know God knows how much money on investigations and impeachment hearings and all the rest of it This episode is brought to you by rocket money with prices going up on just about everything lately dealing with money can be stressful Trying to manage subscriptions track spending and cut costs can feel overwhelming and luckily Rocket money can relieve some of that stress and help you feel confident in the financial decisions you make Rocket money is a personal finance app that helps you find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions monitors your spending and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings if you've got a goal You'd like to save for rocket money can analyze your accounts to find the best time each month to put extra money aside Rocket money's five million members have saved a total of five hundred million and cancel subscriptions with members Saving up to seven hundred and forty dollars a year when they use all the apps premium features Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with rocket money go to rocket money dot com slash JRE today That's rocket money dot com slash JRE rocket money dot com slash JRE this episode is brought to you by zippercrooter in a survey 76 % of employers plan to grow their teams in 2025 Now that we're halfway through the year How are those hiring goals going?

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54:20I think I think she's part of it is the realization that looked I mean you put that information out there I think it would have been more Appropriate if she'd released all the documentation Said here's and lay out in a very good like almost like a PowerPoint presentation for the you know make it very simple for the press Because the press isn't inclined to pursue this because the press will complicit right so you're trying to say This is what these people did and you helped them now what we want is for you Meaning the media to uncover all of this and report on it. They're not gonna They're fucking I gotta they were winning awards journalistic awards for their coverage of the russia collusion story So the idea that they're gonna somehow now say yeah, oh, that was a problem So I think they should have maybe just made this more factual based Stayed away from the you know the sort of the hyperbolic statements about treason and all the rest of it and then You know tried to explain it to the American public in a way that they can digest a little bit better right But when you throw out things like treasonous conspiracy once again much like with the Epstein thing You're you're creating this this kind of howling mob that's gonna expect something And I just don't know that they're gonna get it but right so do you think that it's possible that She was encouraged to do this because this kind of takes away some of the heat off of the Epstein thing I'm sure that was a thought process in there somewhere.

55:38Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's a reasonable. Yeah, it's a option Look, it's an important issue right if you have the intel community Or you have you know the the White House Deciding to themselves look we know this this information is kind of bullshit But it certainly serves a narrative which is we want to delegitimize the new president that's coming in because we we can't stand him Then that's a really really serious problem that needs to be examined It's also so short -sighted because Do not know that that information is eventually going to come out that's going to compromise the confidence that people have in Anything that the intelligence agencies put forth after that.

56:18Yeah. Well, I think a lot of you know Part of what was going on was the expectation that Hillary Clinton was gonna win, right? So like with the steel dossier I tried to you know dig up Leverageable information or dirt on on Trump. You know, I think they were all on to the assumption Well, Hillary Clinton's gonna win doesn't really matter what we're doing right now because she's gonna cover for us, right? Right, you know, I don't think they ever expected Trump to win So you know, then suddenly they've got a shift course a little bit and think okay, well now that that didn't work now Well, let's let's say that and we've got this document over here talking about Russian meddling You know is it is it that much of a push to kind of say that you know that we believe there might have been collusion and the media ran with it Right, they didn't have to do them.

57:00They ran with it for three years for three years. Yeah, three years hardcore all the time Everything they talked about Trump. Yeah Which is crazy regardless of how you feel about Trump if you're the biggest Trump hit in the world I understand but understand this that that is dangerous It's dangerous to have the media In lockstep with the government who's saying something that's not true. Yeah, I mean, and they they scream about you know Threats to democracy all the time Let's just be a little bit more self -aware realize, you know, what that looked like right you can't you know People were just both shitting about evidence that they had or that they saw The Democrats saying anything's a threat to democracy is wild when they haven't had a primary since 2012 That's wild.

57:43Yeah, yeah, that's really wild. I mean They they kick Bernie out they made sure RFK junior wasn't in and then when It came time for Kamala to run no primary at all. They just put her in position. Yeah, that's wild Yeah, they didn't know what else to do and and by the way, there's so much going on right now Today speaking of Kamala and now you know speak about Biden, but today Was his name the chief of staff the former chief of staff for Biden? I think he was only there for a couple of years I've run claim was up on Capitol Hill to talk because they're holding these interviews up on Capitol Hill to try to figure out What the hell was going on right what at what point did people decide they're going to cover up the mental position of Joe Biden and That's another look.

58:32I mean, and then they're all pleading the fifth. They're all pleading the fifth. Kevin O 'Connor his the White House doctor Um, pled the fifth um senior advisor to Joe Biden. What's his name Bernal Andrew Bernal? Pled the fifth right um You know and Ron Clayne apparently stayed up there for a couple hours talking right but You know again, I don't he wasn't there for the last couple years of the administration I think but he was there for the debate prep right and he's come out publicly and said I was shocked at his condition So you know, I think they set him up for failure in that debate Why first of all why are they having to debate that late?

59:09Why would they agree to a debate at 9 p .m Yeah, when you got a guy who's really old and kind of broken down Why would you do that the television timing who knows and it seemed like Didn't someone blame it on him being on ambian? Yeah hunter did hunter that fantastic interview that hunter just did with uh That forget his name Andrew Callahan or something like that um Yeah, he he referenced now he's walking it back saying I you know I wasn't meaning that he was on ambian during the debate I'm just saying you know you know they had him on ambian because he was a travel schedule But The guy was guy was said camp David and and resting in Delaware for 10 days prior to the debate So yeah, I don't Jesus What a mess I think they set him up.

59:55I think they wanted him out and this is the way to do it get him in the debate Don't give him his medicine. Excuse me. Don't give him the proper medication to keep him up and peppy and let him out They're all confused and apparently you had a cold at the time too, so it's but if you if they were gonna do that Wouldn't you think that they would um I don't know um have a better plan a plan B. No, they didn't have a plan and I think The Biden administration the people didn't want him to step down There's people inside the organization that didn't want him to step down particularly supposedly Jill Jill did not want him to step down But then there's the cancer thing like How do they not know that he has cancer?

1:00:36Well they had for yeah, yeah, yeah Which is crazy like Years of developing yeah Yeah, I just think if if there was a If there was a plan if there was an a fairies plan to have him step down Um, I think they thought he would get through it. I think they did um He might have if he performed the way he performed in the first debate Yeah, I don't know. I just it seems to me that that There They were caught in the headlights at the point where where he did so poorly. Yeah, I've got shit. Yeah, I'm gonna. I know

1:01:16No, that's It's the ambience starting to kick in have you ever taken that stuff? No, no, have you cares a shit on me? No, you know No, my friend Kevin took it and he got up in the middle of the night cooked a meal went to bed and Didn't know he cooked a meal So he went back and saw the plates in the kitchen thought someone broke into his house and cooked Like yeah, that's not good. No, no I've never taken have you taken sandhacks? No, no, neither. Yeah, that's tough scary That's those that's what fuck Jordan Peterson up. That stuff's a really hard to kick. Oh Yeah, I'd benzodiazepine is one of the hardest things to kick It's one of the things that if you get off a cold turkey and kill you Good god, yeah, yeah, and they put everybody on it.

1:02:04Yeah, yeah, well that's what I was gonna say. It seems like it's readily available As is at raw, yeah readily available and fucking super bad for you although during the What was it during the pandemic you couldn't get at a roll? I remember that being the issue, right? Stories about that make it overseas couldn't yeah exactly as they do with most of our pharmaceuticals Including what we've been talking about and so then people probably bought black market at a raw Which probably is fentanyl in it, which probably contributed to a lot of deaths. Yeah, yeah, I got this voice now I sound like Kim cards, you know who Betty Davis eyes Kim cards.

1:02:37Oh, it's very salty voice I've got a corner in here for a second. Yeah, well, I suspect most people have Time we different no one. Yeah, but I think He's a yeah, so the Biden Let's call it a cover up That's again, it's it's an example of How people are not more upset about that, right? I mean it again with the idea that we've got ADHD and Everybody's moving on But you would imagine that that story of if none other right because it's not quite as complicated as the as the intel issue or even as the Epstein files It's pretty straightforward people hiding the condition of the leader of the free world.

1:03:26So anyway That's it's just a thought. I'm surprised that it's gone away. Well, then there's the auto pen as well That's another wild thing. Yeah, because There's so many of these people that were pardoned were pardoned by auto pen until you have to It begs the question like how was that negotiated like who was involved in that who made those decisions What was their motivation with it compensated like was and it look he was he says the former president Biden says he was advised on all of this He was in on all of these and and the auto pen was primarily used for you know You know sort of wrote pardons Collective pardons where they're pardoning you know for a an action if you know and so you have a number of people included in that that you're giving pardons to But um all of this whether it's that whether it's any of the other things we've been talking about the end of the day It's it's no wonder look people's Confidence level in politicians in and government institutions and the media Is at an all -time low right and that's a I think that's it's a really dangerous thing But I don't see how you walk the dog back on that right?

1:04:38I mean what how do you do that? How do you how do you suddenly create more trust In any of those things? Well, I think a lot of people thought that Drain the swamp would create trust right the idea of Trump coming into office We had four terrible years under Biden Trump's gonna come in and clean things up. Everything's gonna make sense now But everything is just as chaotic if not more and just as confusing I mean there's good things that are happening the closing of the border is clearly a good thing Yeah, that was fucking scary and dangerous Yeah, no from look from from a policy perspective look they the other day they had Like nine Crossings right nine right compared to maybe 10 ,000 11 ,000 12 ,000 a day in the previous administration So that that's a that's a huge win and that's what they should be talking about and they should be talking about The trade deals right they got a good trade deal with Japan.

1:05:33They got a good trade deal with Indonesia They've got a good trade deal with Vietnam. They you know signed one with the UK. They're getting ready for the European Union There's things that they should be talking about and instead once again We're fucking consumed with what we've been discussing Epstein and the intel manipulation, you know, I mean you think in Biden's condition and Obama treason yeah, yeah, so it's it's really it's it's disappointing, but you know, I again, I don't know how You know it this is I'm not sure where I'm going with this other than the fact that it's it's very depressing if you think about You know, where our focus is right now, right?

1:06:12There's a lot of flashpoints around the world a lot of real serious crises Right and and threats to national security and and concerns and you know The the White House can't seem to you know Get a focus right on on things and but yeah, the the border thing is a is a great win That's a that's a very from a national security issue. That's a terrific win Yeah, the the fact that it was open for so long is so Insane to think that anybody would think that would be a good idea unless you wanted chaos Yeah, you know that that is always discussed is like was it intentional? I don't see how it's not intentional Right and I mean that's because we can see now after six months of the the the second Trump administration that you can fix the problem Right, they could have fixed it.

1:07:00They could have done it and they and they chose not to so You know clearly there with there's a lot of people in that in the Dem party in the democratic party that you know are Fans of or believe in open borders, but there's also the moving of the people to swing states And the fact that it changes the number of congressional seats regardless or whether or not someone's there legally or illegally Once they do a sentence on how many people live there It raises the number of congressional seats. It's available. Yeah, which is crazy Well, yeah, all that all that's so wild that it's so transparent.

1:07:34I mean look at look you know look at Europe I know that's kind of a you know people talk about this, but look at France look at the UK I mean You know much smaller environments and you can see what happens when you have massive migration, right? And it's and look hey, I'm not I'm not against immigration. I'm just saying it should be legal You should know who's coming across your border. Yeah, you should have security You can't pay for everybody, right? I mean, so opening up your borders to say come on in and we're going to provide you with with you know Whatever mum Donnie and New York is providing new free grocery stores and free bus and free childcare and everything's going to be free And they're going to tax businesses.

1:08:14Yeah, that's what he said He said and if you're wondering how I'm going to pay for this I'm going to tax the rich, right? You think like oh my god How you know Stalin you know you've been going all the way back to you know Communists have been talking that way for years feeding the same bullshit lines to gormless sheep We're just now mom Donnie's just talking to a new generation of sheep and and you know He could well end up as mayor Utopian Perspectives are really attractive to young people because you see the way these Older rich people have been running the world. It's all corrupt. They don't care.

1:08:49They're all capitalist and monsters All the care about his money. I don't have any money. I want them to take the money away from the rich people And give it to the poor people and then everything will be fine. Yeah It's like I'm in thought Yeah, I get it if you're a young person you probably look at your parents if your parents have done okay done well And you're thinking well that you know, maybe I'm not going to be able to do that, right? I mean a lot of young folks now saying I can't buy a house. How am I going to get a down payment for a house, right? You know, I'm drowning in school owns which of course they took out but So I get the frustration in a sense and so I think you know Mom Donnie is doing again what you know a lot of slick socialists or kindness in the past have done right He's speaking to the to the masses and he's using all these platitudes and there will be an element that that buys into it Right because they haven't seen how shitty it can be Well, it seems like a huge element bought into it.

1:09:42He won the primary. They won the primary Yeah, no, so what happens now? So Eric Adams is the current mayor So if this guy wins the primary is is Adams even is it possible for him to run like what how does it work now? Well, I guess I mean he could run as a he could run as an independent Which maybe is his intention Because he apparently is still running right yeah, yeah absolutely plans on running Was it Cuomo also playing on running or did he drop out? I believe he's still trying to run as well Yeah, so he lost the primary and I think people think that people are so horrified That Mondani's in that they think that maybe it's possible and then there's Curtis Liewa Yeah, he still wants where that stupid fucking hat.

1:10:25Yeah, God bless Curtis Liewa Yeah, it's up what he's got to stop that But I think There's a good chance that That if Eric Adams ran as an independence Maybe that's the plan and if Cuomo dropped out. I think if they split the vote then I think Mamdani wins But they're going to have to and the Democrats, you know nationwide seem to have Some real concern over Mamdani, right because that's not the message they want to send at a time when they see Sort of this cultural shift and in America where we think okay We might be done with this whole woke issue, right? And then they see Mamdani out there The bullshit doubling down And you got Bernie Sanders back in him.

1:11:06You got Jerry Nadler batten in New York back in him. You got obviously a OC back in him So they they rightly so because what do they want to do? They want to reclaim the White House, right? And they want to reclaim the Senate. They want to they're not going to do it right in the backs of of of a A vowed socialist right who wants to reclaim. Yeah, essentially a comment. Yeah, so And he's you know, he's You know again, you know God bless the ideology of the youth, but You know people should you know do a little bit more research Into His ideas and how they've worked elsewhere, right? Um, and maybe they Changed the force those ideas and that's with guns That's how that's how you got a record store get the hell over there.

1:11:55Yeah government grocery stores and taking money away from the rich people How are you going to enforce that you need force? Well, they tried to I mean look yeah, California tried to I think they maybe they've even enacted it They've tried to Figure out a way to tax people who are leaving the state. Yeah, that was a thought that they had that I don't think is constitutional Yeah, yeah, yeah, they wanted to I think it was five years So if you had left with it so me I could get taxed God for even not been out there for five years But that's just yeah They're just so irresponsible with what they've done with the tax money.

1:12:32They have Some of the highest taxes in the country and it's chaos and then they're they're also like upset that people want to film what's going on in the palisades and Malibu. Oh shit. Yeah, yeah I was there not too long ago and nothing nothing's happening nothing still a war zone, right? You drive up towards Malibu And everything's just gutted yeah, so you think and and and it's because you've got thousands and thousands of regulations in place That prevent you know the reconstruction right just trying to get a simple permit for something. Yeah, it takes you forever And yeah, it's gonna be years.

1:13:04Yeah, I think it's gonna be interesting because Gavin do some obviously is in sort of a soft campaign right now To set the table to run for president. I mean, he's desperate So you know, he's he's like some kid who wants to be the class president. See him on Chong Ryan's podcast I did not I'm sorry. I miss that one's doing podcasts. Wow. Yeah, it was a disaster. Well, he's got his own podcast, right? Allegedly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So so how do you do on john's how terrible? Yeah, of course terrible was terrible I mean, there's only so much you can say like the record speaks for itself is record is terrible So that's and that's the problem.

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1:16:16It's not going to be Gavin news I mean won't be peed booty as you they've got a solution. Jamie. I just texted you something. This is the solution the solution. Yeah Here's a solution It's coming up I hope it's not Hillary I

1:16:36Finally a Democrat who could shine on Joe Rogan's show hunter Biden is unrepentant by Helen Lewis Helen take your medication Oh my god He did the best ad for crack ever though. Yeah, oh great ad for crack. It was not just an ad. It was a it was a cooking show That fucker that fucker taught American youth how to make crack Yeah on it was I was astounded as he sat there. Nobody I mean He loves crack more than anything in the world, right? It sounded great. He was romantically involved with crack He said it's safer than alcohol. Yes. Yes. Take that to the bank kids Holy shit It's a thing Talking about like not learning from what happened during the crack epidemic ruined American cities Yeah, no, it's like that's which reportedly was done by the agency by the way Portedly.

1:17:32Yeah, I'm again conspiracy theories But yeah, I Excuse me battling a summer cold apparently. It's probably allergies. There's so many allergies here in Austin. Yeah, god Um Yeah, I that that interview with but how is it apparently that the family has no control over him But how is it that they allow him to go and do podcasts or interviews of any sort right they need to do an intervention and You know look I I hope he's clean. I hope he's not you know is he in clean Yeah, when he was talking about I mean he said I'm reluctant to explain this But he was being honest about like why it works and what's so euphoric about it Well, it feeds into the Democrats have decided apparently that they need to be tougher right because after the last election Um, and so they would send Tim waltz out there and you know elmer fun and then it's hunting gear to try to try to appeal to to middle America and uh, so I can see it you know you and you see you know more Democrats getting out there and and and swearing because that makes them tougher Uh, so that interview with Hunter Biden I can see feeds into This idea that the the Democrats strategist have is we've got to be more mainstream right we've just got to be which again It's kind of in part why they're so concerned over mom Donnie in uh in uh New York City.

1:18:50Yeah. Well, they're they were trying for a long time to squash masculinity and frame it all as being toxic and people rebelled against that in a huge way eventually it took a while Well a lot of young men and particularly went to the right because of that and a lot of young men that would ordinarily have probably voted Democrat if you were just fucking reasonable But you turned them into villains for no reason other than just being men. Yeah And that was a narrative that people were really sick of and it's like The pendulum swings one way and the other way it always does it always has This is how we of course correct.

1:19:25We try to figure out our way through this world and People go one way too far and then they over -correct go in the other way And then we try to bring it back to the middle and it never really kind of goes there. Yeah, you're right It is and that's been the problem for quite some time. Yeah, it is. It's like that pendulum You have you're you're over here and then instead of it like settling in the center You're back over here and every and that happens every every administration change, right? So you get this knee jerk reaction and you know from a legislative perspective That's a real problem right because you never you really never do get shit done Right because you're bouncing from extreme to extreme problem with this four -year term thing It's like every four years we have a new person or the same person does it twice.

1:20:06These are the option Yeah, the only options that you have so you have this Terrible situation where you're always like shitting on the other side and there's no There's no like hey, this is the president now. Let's all work together Yeah, what if you had up a set up like like Mexico Mexico as a presidency where you can you you serve a six -year term and that's it You're done one term, but it's six years I don't know it's the same thing. Yeah, it's the same thing You know, it was like we these people fucked it up We're gonna do a better job and then they get in. It's the same fucking thing. Yeah.

1:20:39Well, and also you get the self -interest Obbies. Yeah, that's not rocket science But if you can be a senator for 46 years or however long which is nuts I make hundreds of millions of dollars somehow or another right and that's another thing I always wonder how do how do people not I'm and again, maybe Yeah, some intrepid investigative journalists if there any left. I mean who wouldn't want to do a story about the the The wealth gains by politicians just look at the past 10 years right and say who and take them on both sides, right? So you look at you look at Chuck Schumer and AOC and you look at on the other side You look at Grassley and you you look at Mitch McConnell or whatever right and you look at those and and that would make a Fascinating series if you just said how the fuck did you make your money?

1:21:26It's 100 % both sides to which is so important because everybody wants a point to Pelosi and Pelosi made a lot of money for sure But it's a lot of them. It's a lot of them. Yeah, we do a I don't I don't handle any of our finances because I'm not smart enough But and we do have a fund that tracks Pelosi right there's a Pelosi track or fund and it's done very well Right, it's done very well and I'm always fascinating because I'm thinking well of course it does well Because you're sitting up there on goddamn Capitol Hill you hear in these hearings you hear about developments, right? And it doesn't have to be about a particular company.

1:22:01It could be about our particular dealings with a country Right and regulatory concerns with that country or it could be about a sector and where we're going and you can Yes, of course you can use that information to your benefit unless you're in moron But it shouldn't be legal, right? Shouldn't be legal. No, no, it's insider trading. Yeah, like they put Martha Stewart away for insider trading Yeah, yeah, so how about you know politicians, but Actually, they put her away for lying did they yeah, they didn't get her on insider trading. They got her for lying. Oh Because you know during the investigation she didn't tell the truth about something But they didn't actually I don't believe she was actually jailed for insider trading.

1:22:39It's always the cover up But it's always the cover. It's all just horseshit when someone like Nancy Pelosi is able to do it legally If you're able to make hundreds of millions of dollars legally through some Well, you're your salary is so low Yeah, most people who make and not that it's low, but most people who make a salary about it's a great salary But most people make $170 ,000 a year might have a hundred seventy thousand in the bank. Yeah, okay They won't have 200 million. Yeah, that's crazy. And they'll argue It won't get a lot of it from speeches and from books and I don't think you don't I don't think you don't you double the you can track it You can see how much money she made in the stock market.

1:23:16Well, that's what I'm saying That would be a fascinating Series if that's what you did is if you did asset tracing and and you know a financial review of of you know modern day Politicians, how did you make your goddamn money? Also, why are you still doing it? You're older than Biden Mm -hmm. She's older than Biden like yeah chill out. I just I know But it's go on a vacation. They'll never happen people. I it's not even about the money It's about it's about the access the power the people you know who carry your bags and Tony after you you know And then they love that shit. So I get it. I get what the attraction is I'm just saying that you know if if if we had any balls, you know, we would have had enacted term limits quite some time ago Yeah, anyway Yeah, well and at the very least they should block insider trade you I'm sure you've seen that time Which he was questioned about insider trading.

1:24:06Yeah Well, we should be able to Yeah, you're not participating lady. You're you're making hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah, it's insane And this is not a part of say I agree with you 100 % it's not a partisan issue It's not it's everybody gets up on there If you look at the trades if you look at it between the red and the blue It's across the board. They're all doing it. It's I think it's like it lures them in I think once they get into office and even if they have good intentions they get lured in by a corrupt system And then they play ball. Yeah, and then they get paid. Yeah, well, and then and then you get a lifetime pension Yeah, which I again makes no sense.

1:24:45You know, how about you? How about you? You say okay fine. You go up there on Capitol Hill You get your pension while you're up there Your pay is you know, maybe similar to add another military, you know Your congressman maybe you get a major's pay. I have no idea. I'm just making that shit up Um, take the financial incentives and the excitement out of it Yeah, and maybe you get a different group of people who want to pursue that that work And then they just go the hell back to wherever they came from and work a job Also, there's a problem that the campaigns are so ugly and we've agreed sort of as a society that that's how we do it And that these people are going to attack each other.

1:25:24You know, I remember one of the things during the um But when Biden was running when Kamala Harris was saying that he was guilty of sexual assault Like you remember that and then yeah, and then afterwards she gets interviewed I think it was by Colbert. She's like it was a debate. Yeah. Yeah. It was a debate like imagine that It's a debate and so you're willing to say something in a debate. That's not true Well, that's this policy that you can Yeah, I think it's partly just a disdain for the American voter And the belief that you can you people will move on and they do maybe that's you know It's a self -fulfilling prophecy people tend to you know Forget pretty quickly Well, we're overwhelmed by information.

1:26:12Yeah. We are constantly consistently overwhelmed by the new cycle And it is almost important you have to have like some sort of a Mike Ben style recall in your head Where you can keep track of everything because it's just coming at you so fast and Doge and Elon and this and that I have some guy asked me last night Do you think that the Elon Musk and Donald Trump thing was staged And I go do you think it staged is like absolutely. I think it's all fake I go wow. Do you think that they made an agreement that Elon would say That you're on the Epstein client list and that's why you won't release the file You think that like Donald and Elon came to that agreement.

1:26:54Yeah, just sitting around over a Diet Coke to get there all in on it They're all in on it like you out of your fucking mind. What do you think about musk's political party? First of all my wife told me you really can't name it the American party. It's not legal Really yeah, why I don't know yeah, she's told me I believed her So Jamie will find out you didn't follow up You're interested Thanks honey. We did or she was like you know, you can't just call your party the America party I go really she was not you can't you can't use the term America for your party Which makes sense but I don't think you couldn't because I'd be like fuck you.

1:27:35I'm the America party Yeah, it's the whole country You know I'm saying like if you decide you're the America party and I'm against the America party Well, that sounds like I'm against America. I guess you but you couldn't you take I'm calling the American party. I'm gonna trademark that name. That was my problem with the Patriot Act Like you can't call it the Patriot Act you motherfucker because then if you go against that you're against the Patriots Got them right. That's it's right. Crazy. The terrorists win. Yeah Is it legal to call your party the America party? I'm looking into it says for example Additionally, New York state law is outlawed the use of words like independent independence America and America The names of political parties.

1:28:11Yeah. Yeah, there you go. There you go. Okay. So she's right. Yeah So listen to New York got to come up with it. Oh, just in New York. It sounds like So it's not only it's legal I bet it's out of us. Yeah, if it's in New York, I'll bet it's what is an independent call himself in New York then If you run as an independent and it says you can't well, you can run as an independent you can't call your party the independent Yeah, it's all cool. Yeah, sus, isn't it sauce look is a little sauce you kids call right kids good Yeah, I know I call everything sus likewise You know like what is he going to do with this party?

1:28:43You're not going to get You know, how's that going to work? Yeah, I don't think this I you know as much as I don't yeah I think there's there should be room. I guess I should say that way there should be room for Another party 100 percent, but I don't think there's enough oxygen to to do it Here it is the name America party has been used by several different political parties in the United States Most famously as the official name of the no nothings And I would that's what you just call it the why doesn't he called the x party And he likes the term x nativist group sometimes dubbed the America's third party that rose to prominence in the years leading up to the US civil war The no nothings were in this during the civil war.

1:29:27That's crazy The name America parties attempt to brand the party is a force of patriotism unity. That's what you're saying Yeah, okay As well as the names of an anti -mormon party in Utah and the supporters of George Wallace Wow, Jesus Christ. He's not a handsome man boy. He looks evil. Yeah, he does see I'm not voting you and your fucked up eyebrows, bro Some people just look like they are, you know what I mean George Wallace I remember watching I mean, I was tiny, but I remember I still this day I Watching that when he got shot at that rally that he was at Oh, that's right put him in the wheelchair But Yeah, I don't know I again, I don't think there's room for a third party.

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1:31:57It's like geez. I saw that coming. I was like this is not gonna work out Yeah, when when his son was with him in the oval office and the son told him to shut up Don't drop these shut up. The little kid don't drop these shut up. It's like you're not the president Oh my god. What is that it actually lasted longer than I thought it would well it destroyed Elon Yeah, destroyed his company destroyed Tesla. I mean when and then on top of that when people started Like putting swastikas on Teslas and fire bomb and Teslas and yeah, yeah madness. Yeah madness I mean, and then people were probably very reluctant to buy a Tesla Because they were worried like hey if I buy this fucking thing and park it somewhere someone's gonna key it I know somebody who actually covered up the Tesla Insignia on their car We're behind someone the other day on the highway and they had a fucking thing on their car that said I bought this before Elon went crazy God go You know you're getting seating you're giving into the mob And it was the dumbest mob, but there was an element also that was like oh, you know, they're they're they're It's legitimate form of protest.

1:33:10You know what to to blow up a fucking Tesla Dealership right doesn't blow up charging stations certainly not legitimate to destroy people's private property Who are just paying a lease on a car that they probably had for three or four fucking years before any of this shit went down Yeah, yeah, but they're not but they do it. Someone walks by and keys the car right keys the car a Tesla and you can just you Hey, they I don't know why they all tend to look alike, but they do and then you just all that they're just like this this this Sense of self -righteousness. Yeah, I'm I deserve to do this because I'm in the right I'm do I'm on the side of good so therefore I could do whatever the fuck I want yeah, so Just mentally ill people.

1:33:51Yeah, and there's a lot of them in this country and unfortunately you can weaponize them Yeah, and then we've also played into it, right? I mean, so it's you know the US Olympics by the way the US Olympic Committee Just said you know males will not be able to participate in female sports shocker Shocker I had no idea that we had to actually say that I love the parent when we do We're they're gonna take that gold medal away from that dude who pretended he was a woman and won the boxing. Yeah, got that Fuck off, man So crazy. It's like that's where this woke thing just hits the wall where people who have daughters and people Which is like like hey look I want you to live your life and be whoever you want to be I really do I don't I don't want In fringe upon your right to express yourself, but at a certain point time when you impose This on other people and you fuck up their lives and The Vic had a great term.

1:34:47It was calling it the tyranny of the oppressed Right that the oppressed people who are legitimately oppressed in a lot of ways Then they turned that on everybody else and they they want everyone to concede to their demands and it's like okay Yeah, it's it's that you know on the victim. So they're who I deserve They're gonna throw society into a woodchipper. Yeah, I agree with you. I want yeah again I'm that busy enough that I don't have to Spend a lot of time worrying about what other people are doing at the same time. I don't need to play along right exactly with with your your Imaginings and so I think that's where it started to once it started impact other people You know like a kid who loses a race because now suddenly she's racing against a dude Yeah, you think nine hundred metals lost during this time really yes 900 metals that would have gone to biological females that were one By biological males because of this crazy ideology over the last few years Yeah, and so think about how many girls lost out on scholarships Think about how many girls just like felt fucked over by the system where you've got a guy in the fucking locker room with his dick hanging out You're supposed to pretend that that's a woman.

1:36:02Yeah, it's crazy And then it got forbid you go against the idea and you know a handful of people did and you know spent a lot of time getting pilloried for it But really gains rally gains. Yeah, yeah, good example You see people attacking her all the time online. It's just wild. I think it's dying down a little bit I think we hit that top and then I think it's coming back down to To where people are saying enough is is enough again with the idea that look you want to do that you want to pretend that you can You know, you want to believe that a dude can have a baby fine. You do that. I don't need to to pretend with you I don't I'm not gonna in fringe on your thinking that that's the case You know, and and yes, do you need some protections in place for people?

1:36:45Of course you do, right? But At a certain point I kind of lost track. I used to be that you had you had gay dudes and you had lesbians right? That was that was kind of it right you guys like guys and your girls are like girls and you're fine You know, we made progress in that regard where you know people that used to have to hide that they don't have to hide that anymore It's right pretty much accepted by society for the most part Yeah, and then they're trying the same thing with this and it's like no, this is a different thing And a lot of the gays they don't want this in their group They're like no, this is a different thing.

1:37:19This is this is not Your sexual orientation. You're attracted to men. This is an identity thing This is a totally different thing that you're dealing with and then you also have to factor in Is uncomfortable as this is for people you have to factor in perverts Who all of a sudden can just say I'm a woman and wear a dress and now they can enter into women spaces and you can't stop them And that's that's real man. That's real. That's not discounting actual trans people or discounting gay people or lesbians It's not you but you're opening the door for fucking sexual predators. Yeah People who are out of their fucking minds man, and you also had I did one of the things I never quite Figured out was you also have the you have the parent who's like they've got a a three -year -old son who says I'd like to play with the dolls and then suddenly the mother's the enabler.

1:38:09They don't want to get them on mom blockers Yeah, and and you're thinking like how about you just let the kid be a kid, you know Maybe tomorrow they want to play football Maybe the next day they want to do a interpretive dance maybe the following day they want to play baseball Let the fucking kids grow up in a certain way without trying to impose exactly, you know, this this this bizarreness on them So they do it because they want that kid to be whatever yeah, whatever there is what they wanted to be queer They wanted to be trans for them. It makes them look more progressive And they they have their kid like a fucking flag.

1:38:41They plant in their lawn and it's gross But there's a lot of these pathological monsters that happen to be parents. They're just nuts Yeah, everybody anybody gets a license to be a parent. It's like boat drivers any other day We're out on the lake in the boat and it would close to fourth of July and I realized really anybody anybody Yeah, driving out of a driver's license. No, you don't have to do a breathalyze. I mean you should and we've got you know Sheriff's out there trying to stop people from drinking boat and but yeah, but they do it. Yeah, they do it all the time It freaks me out. Yeah, it's it's bizarre because the same people would not like say I'm gonna I'm gonna, you know shot gun 12 cores and then Drive my car, but god damn it.

1:39:22They'll be happy to get behind that boat Yeah, take off and you think and so we've got you know our Our boys have started driving the boat on their own taking their friends out and that sort of thing and it's You know, it's actually more nerve -racking when they head out on the lake Oh, yeah, then it is when they get in their car and drive somewhere right because of just like the craziness that goes on So yeah, I watched I watched our one of our boys head off in the boat. He had like they were like Three dudes and seven girls on there. It was his dream, right? He was heading off to the lake. They were gonna go cliff jumping in some surfing and everything And I watching going as a god bless you, but I was inside.

1:39:59I was I was so god damn nervous Of course, so they did fine People think they're invulnerable when they're young too, which is also a problem You don't think anything's gonna happen because nothing's happened yet. Yeah, yeah You haven't had enough like severe injuries Where you go? Oh, well, there's I'm vulnerable as shit. Yeah, this is dangerous like people can die Yeah, you need to see it. They go bridge jumping, you know, they'll climb up to the top of the bridge Jump off and it's like oh my god. I know a girl did that and she's fucked for the rest of her life her back was ruined Yeah, she felt funny and hit her ass in the water and it destroyed her spine.

1:40:34Yeah It's like I mean you get you high up up there and it's it's okay. It's like concrete Yeah, exactly and then and if you if you over rotate or you under rotate or whatever But yeah, you know, it's a balance right because with it with the with the boys in in particular You don't want to take away that risk taking Element right you want them to take risks, right? But so there's a there's a fine line of saying no don't do that That's dangerous whether they're doing that or they're they're going to the dirt track or whatever they're doing and you think okay How do you balance that out be smart?

1:41:06You know, but I don't want to I don't want to stop you from taking risks That makes sense. No, it does make sense. Listen, you're talking to someone who spent the majority of my teenage years fighting You know with no health insurance So like I'm not I'm talking from a position of not being one of the wisest people Yeah, but I was never ended like jumping off of things and I didn't want to ski I didn't want to do any of that because I knew how vulnerable I was yeah, which is crazy Which is crazy because you're you're you're risking yet and clocked every every time you got to Frank You're getting clocked in the head all the time in the gym Like constantly getting kicked and punched and cat.

1:41:45Yeah, but I realized like hey, I don't want to ski. I could ruin my knees. Yeah I might I might fracture a rib there. I don't want to do I just wanted to take as few risks outside of this one risky thing as possible And I think a lot of kids don't have enough Like controlled risks So then they start wanting to jump dirt bikes. Yeah, we wind up breaking every fucking bone in your body Yeah, our youngest sports again. Yeah, happy birthday mugs. He but he Went over his bike You know wearing a helmet very good helmet still banged his head All right, this was just a couple days ago. So I'm on the road and I'm like, okay, keep him up.

1:42:27Don't you know, they're ever Make sure he's good and So anyway, yeah, but again, I say I don't want to then when I talk to him I don't want to say well you shouldn't have done that, you know, you want to say, okay, I get you're good No, you know, do you know what you did wrong? And he's like, yeah, you know, I didn't get the back wheel on them He's like, okay, but anyway, that's that's parenting Yeah, it's you know, you don't want to completely shelter your child, but you don't want them to expose to unnecessary risks But it's like there's just like This is balance that you have to achieve. It's really hard.

1:42:59It's because you don't want a sheltered child that's scared to take any risks at all Yeah, we're sending that the oldest one is off to university In a couple of weeks going down to Ole Miss and And yeah, you're right. I mean, that's a you know, that's a big it's a big step, right? So he's going down. He's been down there a couple of times already. He's met some some of the folks down there I said a good time, you know, some of the guys taking them out to the bars and and You know and so you you at a certain point you lose control Yeah, and so all you can do Up to a certain age is just hope you've set the compass right Yeah, you have to set the compass right and at certain point in time you have to realize that's an individual human being that you don't have control over anymore And one of the worst things a parents do is they try to control their kids when they're in their 30s and 40s Like they still treat them like their children You're just going to have a resentful person like they don't want you to be the boss of them when they're 30 fucking years old You know or or honestly 20s.

1:44:01Yeah, I think they still they want to know that there's a place they can go or that someone They can talk to yes or advice they can get yes, but yeah, at a certain point you just and I think You know who knows what what that point is. I mean, it's it it changes. I think kids seem to be growing up a lot quicker now Well, it's because of the internet right there so much information comes their way and Yeah, it's and then we're you know, we're at the precipice of artificial general super intelligence Which is gonna bust out of its cage if it hasn't already I mean, there's real good arguments that it's already done it and we're not aware of it yet because it hasn't assumed control Of things it has an acted in a way.

1:44:44It doesn't have a physical form where it can move around yet Well, we're definitely moving in that direction. I think we're probably already there Which is unaware of it, but I think people at the cutting edge. I think But yeah, we went from A Rogan show that was done by AI to now you can't swing a dead cat on the internet without hitting Rogan babies, right? Oh, those babies are hilarious. Oh my god, the babies are the best one. Yeah. Yeah Theo Vaughan's a great baby. I will say anytime And I don't I don't spend a lot of time digging through things like that But anytime I see the baby episodes with you and Theo I'm like yeah, I gotta watch this son of a bitch that I sent it to the boys.

1:45:21Yeah. Oh god And then but they don't there's no authorization. You have no control right no just no It's just a wild west right now and it's happening so fast You know, we had um Um Who is this showing us the skywalker thing? Was it Joe DeRosa? Yeah, so my friend Joe DeRosa was showing us this They're doing Star Wars AI like fan created AI scenes of stuff that they wanted to happen Yeah, and it looks better than the actual Star Wars. Yeah, and it's young Luke Skywalker It's Mark Hamill from like Star Wars one Like that like look at this watch this Look how incredible this is and look at this That's AI I mean, it says nuts man.

1:46:13I mean, this is like better quality than the original Star Wars itself And it's his voice. It's his face. It's all perfectly synced. It looks incredible. Like look at this Yeah, that's yeah, we uh my company does some work for The entertainment industry for the movie movie business and I was out there talking to one of the studios Remain nameless Not that long ago and this is a massive issue for them. I look there. They're seeing Full scripts out there right written by AI for some of their franchise You know movies and characters and they're seeing You know, they're their animators. They're writers.

1:46:52All these people are you know, obviously worried and they're convinced that they're You know about to be made useless And they're right and they're right. Yeah, yeah, because of what they're they're finding they're just what you're looking at here They're finding you know, but there's there's places where they're dumping full -length scripts and and you know Pieces of movies out there and and it's You know, it it's gonna upends much like whatever Netflix and the others did with it with the television market It's gonna upend the whole industry. It's gonna be 100 percent. Yeah, there's no way around it at this point If someone can make something like this the Skywalker stories thing I mean, this is just a person doing this with an AI video generator Again, you just do it through prompts.

1:47:36I mean yeah, or you say to yourself. Okay, um I want to write a scripted TV series. What am I gonna write about you spend 20 minutes feeding some ideas into whatever I forget what the the Aside from chat GPT. There's a bunch of them out there and It will feed back to you in short order the entire show map, right. I'll give you all the characters It'll give you a character map. It'll give you a pitch lines. It'll give you episode plots It's it's remarkable and it means all those people who work in Hollywood writing right or wherever they're based writing shows or coming up with with Pilots and they're superfluous to the whole business.

1:48:21Yeah, it's and not just that. It's also music Yeah, you know Drake had a song that was a hit Drake song that came out that wasn't him at all It was all done by AI and they could just kind of guess what people like and he could just formulate what the big hits were What's what's what's similar? What's common? What are the phrases? What are people? What's catchy? What's what yeah exactly? The give me the last six songs the commonalities that made them successful exactly fine Give me that give me that is is is Drake still beefing with Kendrick Lamar or is that over? I can't keep I think he had a back off of that Okay, yeah, I don't know.

1:48:59That's a sort of question. What do you need to be asking? It's different people have different perspectives Some people think Drake won some people think Kendrick won I don't really give a fuck quite honestly I'm not a fan of those kind of beefs, but they do make some good songs sometimes a beef does you know like ether with Nas Those are good fucking song. There's It's just I was about to not like I knew what the hell you were talking about. Oh, yeah. Yeah ether with Nas. Yeah, you don't know that young gravy a little gravy There's a thing that's gonna happen within our lifetime where all creativity is going to be suspect Because you're you're not going to be able to know unless someone's doing something off the cuff Like live in front of you You're not going to be able to know whether or not something's AI generated anymore Like they have AI generated stand -up comedy now.

1:49:49That's it's not great, but it's okay You know where you have a guy on stage the audience is fake. They're laughing What he's saying is comedic the timing is pretty similar to comedy It's nuts, man, and it's this is by the way Impossible three years ago probably impossible two years ago probably impossible a year ago now You bit with us. It's everywhere So like where does this go and what is five years from now look like we're just guessing Well in terms of driving Narratives or telling stories or or getting people to think a certain way. I mean think about how how simple that is now from a A hostile element right like if I'm working Russian propaganda for the FSB How easy is it now for me to create a clip?

1:50:38Of whatever let's take a hot topic, right? And suddenly you you've created a clip where Trump is talking about you know being in the Epstein files or You know somebody around Biden's circle is talking about how they covered up is my People will see that they'll release it right people will see it They're not going to necessarily question whether it's because that's not how people work right they see shit on the internet And they go yeah, I'm gonna send that to my buddy and yeah, you got some people who who might be more cynical than others But for the most part people just eat that shit up And so which is also yeah shows you the incompetence of the government that they released that Video from the cell that's got two minutes and 53 seconds for moving because he's aren't the best people in the world that are doing that No, no, and that's that I mean there's yeah, they you could argue that the on the hostile side on the on the the Whatever you want to call the hackers or people on the cutting edge of doing things and using this technology for nefarious purposes They they you know, I'm not saying the government doesn't have good quality people doing it, but you tend to have You know cutting edge folks on the on the on the hostile team.

1:51:44Yeah, they're not gonna be working for the state department. No, no, no They're gonna make money anyways. Yeah, I got a p real bad. Let's take a little break. Oh my bad and we'll come back Okay, right back folks Maybe it's a joke, but did you see that lot? I sent you the Lockheed Martin thing, right? I also sent you the thing that I was looking for earlier, which is uh, I think I believe he's a senator That's reading off the most ridiculous tweets from the the CEO former CEO of NPR Okay Yeah, what's senator is that you know, I don't know. I can find out Yes That's who it is Okay. Yeah, senator from Missouri.

1:52:27Okay. Yeah, watch this. This is yeah, this is fun. This is just a fun one I thought it'd be appropriate to maybe read some of the craziest tweets from Katherine mar who is the CEO of the classes on here I'm so done with late -stage capitalism America is addicted to white supremacy. I do wish Hillary wouldn't use the language of boy and girl It's a racing language for non -binary people Lots of jokes about leaving the U .S. and I get it, but as someone with cis white mobility I'm thinking I'm staying and investing in reading ourselves of the specter of tyranny Never underestimate the ability of white people who center ourselves white silence is complicity I'm white.

1:53:08So my hair doesn't automatically carry with it. I'm afraid of my race And everyone else's encoded assumptions I'm grateful of those who have pointed out my crazy. It could be understood as trans erasier Horses inspire all Horses inspire all foster a sense of identity more kids should have access to these incredible Of course spaces are white spaces Horse spaces are white spaces. Oh my god. I love the music the music is good. I think whoever came up with that soundtrack is good God Christ. Yeah So the the thing that I sent you the Lockheed Martin thing is people claiming It's again a lot of horseshit who fucking knows that Lockheed Martin created that tic tac and that there's been three different versions of it I sent you that right Who are the people claiming?

1:54:05The idea is this is what I wanted to ask you about So this is a congressman who says this congressman Eric Burleson dropped the bombshell evidence that Lockheed Martin has developed three generations of tic tac UFO technology Is that real though? Did he say that or is this just a fucking tweet? Let's just right there. I had two people come to me. I understand that But is this did he actually say that or is that just a quote on Twitter? I believe he said that. Okay Oh, okay, so he says I've had two people come to me to say that the tic tac is Lockheed Martin creation the latest person come Came to me Says he has video of the first second and third iteration of the tic tac Burleson revealed This isn't speculation.

1:54:45This is a congressman with direct access to classified information the implications are staggering Lockheed Martin allegedly discovered of revolutionary new propulsion system decade That and has been secretly developing it for decades according to Burleson source They used it in the first iteration which was the tic tac. They have an intermediary one That they are They are more advanced with and then now they're putting it inside what looks like conventional so that it's not obvious Okay Yeah, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on all that um look this is interesting if you scroll back down There's an interesting you know when you start to there you go dissecting this He says I had two people come to me that say that tic tac is Lockheed Martin creation Now he doesn't say who those two people are.

1:55:33I have a two people come to me that said that sex with Bigfoot. Yeah That's right. I did But you've got then it says this isn't speculation This is a congressman with direct access to classified information Which is the implication that well the people that came to him with this have access to classified information Which is un you know There's no connection there so whether they're taking a data point and another data point and they're drawing a line between the two of them Right making a yes, he's getting this from Yeah, exactly and so you know and also then the next part has been secretly developing it for decades I'm here to tell you that If Lockheed Martin was developing something for decades a new form of propulsion Um I'm maybe I'm just a cynical son of a bitch, but I don't think they'd be keeping it secret for all this time I don't think it would have been able to be kept secret because somebody would have opened their app or the Chinese would have gotten their hands on it Um in in their economic and until espionage efforts.

1:56:29So I don't know this strikes me as and then I've got video of it Okay, well, how about you show us the goddamn video right? It's always the same thing. It's always the same thing Yeah, it's always like I've seen video. Well fucking show me bitch. Yeah. Yeah, yeah And then here's the problem the more time they wait the more it's Luke Skywalker shit Like you're gonna show me something. How the hell do I know what's real anymore? We're six months away from never knowing right that that is exactly right and that's a problem and they're look I think we've talked about this before there are Companies out there private companies that are working trying to figure out how do you get ahead of the curve of deep fakes Right and AI generated material and it is really difficult right it is it's and it's it's it's lagging that that that Defensive capabilities lagging behind right the offensive potential for AI generated material So you know again, I agree with it someone's gonna show this and or it's gonna be grainy blurry and they're going to like see see there So I had a guy recently come to me with a bunch of videos that he needed me to look at and every one of them was fucking blurry And I'm like I'm not interested in this.

1:57:32Yeah. Yeah, this doesn't mean anything to me Every time you you know, you got another hearing up on Capitol Hill. It's always the same. I you know I can't talk about it. I've seen this shit But it's in a skiff and I can't you know, this very sensitive and you know kind of goes back to you know People getting in front of the camera and saying I've seen evidence, but I can't tell you about it You're just gonna have to trust me so I don't I don't know. I'm not I'm not a I'm not a buyer necessarily If the congressman wants to make a point of this and he needs to be more clear on this, right? Right And when people say things like that and then nothing comes of it It makes you more and more inclined to believe it's all bullshit.

1:58:09Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where's what that's where I am So I'm like I think the possibility of alien life of course. Yeah, of course. There's so many planets so many stars The idea that we're alone seems crazy. That seems more unlikely But I don't know what's real when people describe things and talk about things and things are moving underwater at 500 knots Okay, show me yeah show me like I can't anymore. I can't respond. I can't get excited No, I I agree and you know, in short. Yeah, everybody's chasing just like they're chasing the You know better battery everybody's chasing a new form of propulsion Right, I mean, that's a leading part of what what governments are spending their money on if they have the resources to do it So yeah, there's a national security issue there and you would think that the congressman then would say Okay, maybe if you're telling me this I'm like to go out and public and say it right maybe maybe if we're talking about this Maybe I shouldn't be talking about what Lockheed Martin is doing and obviously working hard if it's correct to keep it secret because that's a national security issue So what else he doing here?

1:59:17Yeah, I don't know. It's just it all sounds you know like It's you know it's sackable shit. Well, it's also like the problem is a lot of these politicians It's kind of a form of entertainment in a lot of a way Because they're trying to get attention It's like they're almost like reality stars right they're trying to do something outrageous to get attention And that'll help him get elected that'll get the constituents on their side and they're I'm gonna be the guy that releases all this information Oh, it's for Bob. I'm the UFO congressman. Yeah, but it's like show you you're not producing anything Show me tell me or shut the fuck up shut the fuck up.

1:59:55Yeah, I agree and it does I you know, I'm approached maybe once a month about doing a new series, you know focused on UFOs and my point is always the same which is like What are we gonna talk about right? What are you gonna show that's gonna be something new? But maybe people learn something about right and and it's all it's it's always the same I'm looking I'm not saying again. I agree with it. There's definitely stuff out there right we've explored You know like drop of water in a glass of the universe, right? So there's stuff out there. I've just I approach it all from a skeptical point of view But I think you have to because there's also unfortunately a market in talking about these things And there's a lot of grifters out there that have made a career out of telling you they know I have the information.

2:00:40It's been brought to me and I'm going to release it and it's like Lucy and Charlie Brown with that goddamn football Charlie never gets to kick that football like this at the time. This is it. He never has never has never has Every time he goes to kick that football that bitch just pulls it away from him and he goes flying up in the air damn it Yeah, yeah, he maybe he need to identify his trans then she give him a break I know where I came up with that one. Oh, I'm gonna get I'm gonna get lambasted for that come for you Oh, they're gonna come for me. I mean you reached on that one. Yeah, I did It's just like I want there to be some information that's real and I think there are like commander David Fravers Depictions and his descriptions of what happened and there's other fighter pilots are involved.

2:01:24They have video evidence Yeah, that's compelling. Yeah, what is that? What does it mean? What is it doing? How is something able to go from 50 ,000 feet above sea level to zero so quickly like what is that? Yeah, no, I agree that's and we've talked about that. That's that's one of the few things that I think is is legit right out there and needs and needs further investigation Again, you have to pick and choose is there a reason to have a identification program in the Pentagon of course god damn There is it's a national security issue figure out what the hell is flying around up there, right? If it's real if it's real and that the Chinese come up with a new form of propulsion Right, and if they did they undoubtedly stole it from Lockheed Martin um, that was just a Because there's never you can never do one of these episodes without me kicking the Chinese communist party in the ass, but they just finished The sentencing for a An American Chinese citizen.

2:02:15This is a fascinating. Okay, yeah people always roll their eyes when I talk about Chinese espionage But I always love to highlight you know, I shouldn't roll their eyes. They shouldn't but there's so much You want to talk about evidence? Yeah, there's so that's not UFOs, bro Oh, no, it's true So this guy Chen Guanggong is his name. He's like I don't know 60 years old um Has been sentenced or I think he's awaiting sentencing. He's out free believe it not. He's free on bail right now and so he Went to work in 23 because this is stuff has been sealed for quite some time But he went to work in 23 for some California -based uh Company that it was contracted with the Pentagon and he was only there for a month and during the course of that month that he was there He downloaded some 3600 files or so on The technology that this company develops on behalf of the Pentagon uh related to sensors sensors that are very sensitive information that used to detect nuclear missile launches used to detect and track hypersonic and ballistic missiles used to for fighter jets to Track incoming missiles heat -seeking missiles.

2:03:31So it's very You know classified material he downloaded during the course of his you know four weeks there downloaded all these files onto his personal storage devices and They couldn't find the all the hard drives that he had taken with all this information. They've gone missing So as it turns out the amazing part about this story is He accepted a job during the course of his brief period of time with this California company Working on these sensors except with a competitor right So they were gonna hire him um, but ever since like 2014 when he's been working for US companies Um He's apparently nobody gives a shit nobody's doing any due diligence nobody's doing any background investigations From 2014 on he's been applying to the Chinese Communist Party for what they call talent programs the Chinese government puts out these these Proposals, you know, hey send us send us you know your information if you're working on you know information of interest They call them talent programs and they'll provide funding to people who get their applications accepted Well, of course what the Chinese Communist Party's doing is they're fishing for people with access, right?

2:04:47And then you know you'll put in a proposal saying I'm working on the following I think it could be really interesting and this guy did that he took several trips to China He applied for funding for these talent programs from the Them which is essentially the Chinese Communist Party He stated in emails that he's you know, he thinks it could be really beneficial to the Chinese military some of the work that he's doing And so from 2014 on he's been doing this and people are still hiring the guy and yeah, it's incredible So now he's out on almost two million dollars bail. I don't know how they're I'm allowing him to roam around free um But it's just another example.

2:05:21I guess is what I'm saying of You know, what happens out there and why people need to be aware why companies that are engaged in anything almost because they're the Chinese Party's interested in everything, but You see this and you think okay, you know, I get it the guy was stealing information But then you look and you go how the fuck did he keep on doing this all these years? How did he how is he You go from a company and get hired by another company and they were obviously excited by his expertise But nobody bothered to dig into it, right? And that's always how you know, businesses For the most part get fucked is they they don't have a proactive mindset, right?

2:05:59They're not they're not thinking About that when they're hiring somebody not thinking oh, I bet you know, there's a hostile state Sponsored entity out there that like to steal our information Well, it's not also part of the problem with having these administrations that are only office for four years So like they have all their problems that they have to deal with they get in They're basically starting the job a new and then you've got these companies out there that are hiring Chinese nationals and you don't even know it Yeah, yeah, you don't even know where there's no way you could pay attention to all of it And the people that are running the companies all they want to do is get that company off the ground start making a lot of money Get a government contract.

2:06:38Yeah, no, you know, theoretically they're supposed to you know, they're supposed to be going through a variety of security processes um, about you know, the dissemination of information who's got access to it and all these things, but clearly it doesn't it's not it's not working all that well um, anyway, so that's that's the thing and then apparently the uh News just broke that that there was a breach and I think it was Microsoft's share point um, software that attacked the Department of Energy Um, and it was Chinese hackers again. This is just the past, you know 12 hours or so um, and they were going after among other organizations and agencies, you know, the Group that's responsible for maintaining our nuclear stockpile Which is sits inside the Department of Energy.

2:07:27So it's the national nuclear security administration or something like that. So yeah, it's I guess I always like to point out that it's a hostile world out there and going back to your point You need to you know, you need to have organizations that are out there trying to um, you know, secure You know, the the national security interests of America. And so yeah, that sounds like I'm standing here. The idea that you don't is crazy Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so nice. Well, it's the idea that everybody if we just would all get along Right, um, it's all gonna work out fine and you know, the the world's really messy.

2:08:02It's ugly I mean, we we can see that and when you're talking about the Middle East right now, which is a mess Um, you're looking at the Ukraine Russia conflict um, you know, there's there's just There's just a lot of shit that happens out there and so you do need these organizations now again, you know We talked about this you need them you need them to be as transparent as they can be and still be operationally efficient, right? But Yeah, yeah, Middle East that's a fucked up situation. Yeah, yeah you what so What do we know about how much damage was done by those bunker buster bombs? I saw some video and again.

2:08:40Oh, what's real? But it looked yeah insane where they were reviewing the damage and they were kind of climbing into this giant canyon that was created by these bunker busters. Yeah Um, that's it's a really interesting point and I think you know, we talked about Earlier about how you can get out over your skis Tulsi Gabbard probably did it and Pam Bondy about the Epstein 1000 and I think I think I think The Trump administration got out, you know, talking about uh completely obliterated all three sites Well, it's fun and the tans and fordo um And You know what wait for the battle damage assessments to come in with credible intelligence, right?

2:09:21Just say we've done this We're assessing about how about that, right? Just keep it like that and prevent Prevent yourself from having to then walk the dog back, right? So so they didn't they came out and said we've completely obliterated these sites What appears to be now coming from some of these assessments of these these the early assessments is that they did significant damage To one of the sites fordo and then the other two sites they did Some damage, but that's where it's questionable and these are coming from Israeli and US intelligence And honestly when it comes to Iran sometimes we rely very heavily on what the Israelis have because they're their intel tends to be a little bit better I mean there It's their existential threat so they've spent decades developing sources right um and So I think did we destroy all three no absolutely not we didn't um did we Degrade their ability um to enrich uranium in the short term.

2:10:18Yeah, but does that short term mean? You know three months six months. I think that's kind of where they they appear to be at They don't know there's still questions and the Israelis think that they actually did manage to Keep stockpile of some of the enriched uranium that was buried Way down inside of I think it was this phone the site and so It was successful to a degree, right? um But Not to the degree that it was Disgust early on and what they're still saying right so I think um That's you know, and that's a realistic approach, you know They were I think the military was was fairly clear in some of their Scenarios that they were drawing up prior to this that you know, we don't have high confidence that we can complete and destroy these sites right and and but you know if they've if they've Destroyed and damaged a large number of centrifuges.

2:11:11Well, that takes times every place right and so um You know, what I think what's going to happen is the regime and I think they're already doing it They're going to disperse all of their efforts, right? They're not going to stop trying to enrich uranium They're going to stop this drive towards a nuclear weapon because now in particular. I think they view it as You know, that's our that's our only leverage going down the road So they're going to disperse it to smaller sites going to make it more difficult to You know create a a single strike scenario where you take it out for the most part And I think that's that's where we're going with it um But looked at the the Israelis during the course of their 12 days or so They degraded the missile capabilities, which was a big part of what they wanted to do significantly now you depending on who you talk to that significantly is like 40 % destruction of of launchers and Missile stockpiles to 50 % that's a lot You know, but again, they still have the ability to make them and they still will So we've kind of we've kind of Kick the can down the road, right?

2:12:18We've we've bought some time in terms of okay, they're not going to get to a breakout point you know next week but We haven't really solved the problem, right? And you don't solve the problem unless the regime goes away You know, and then people talk about regime change and then everybody gets all squirrely so You know, but you're going to have this same problem and they they've already said They are going to continue to arm their proxies, right? And they've already been weapons Shipments that have been Interdicted going to the khutis going to hazbollah, right That process of them getting weapons to their proxies is more difficult in part because you know, Syria's fallen And the Syrian government is you know, it doesn't like Iran They didn't the new one the Islamist government that's there doesn't like Iran so so they're shutting down some of that Traditional routes that they used to move weapons back and forth and other resources But they're going to keep keep doing it they're going to keep trying So we've kind of you know again, you know, it's it's putting lipstick on a pig We we've created a better situation in the short term, but it doesn't solve the problem shock that we intervened that we Bomb their nuclear sites.

2:13:29No, by the time we got in a few days into what the Israelis were doing It looked like there was really very little option We're going to have to go in and do that because he was rarely stood not have the ability to do that right they They were There are operations again like people can argue about right they should have done it But then from an operational perspective it was pretty damn impressive right taking out some of the military leadership taking out some of those nuclear Program managers directors scientists Was really impressive and it shows it was so impressive was when they tricked them with a fake phone call Get together in the bunker.

2:14:05Yes. Yeah, they blew the bunker up. Yeah, I mean this it shows the depth of their intel capabilities Because again, they've been doing this for years because it's an existential goddamn threat And so that's their target right we've got as a in the US, you know You know our intel operations are focused on a lot of different things right for the Israelis for the most part It's Iran, you know, yes, it's you know subs you know sets are Rezbollah Houthis and Hamas and all that but that was a you know Those things wouldn't exist without Iranian support and backing So their focus over the years has been how do we develop sources?

2:14:40How do we create access? You know to so you know and they so when the time comes they pull out their playbook and they opened up and go Let's do this and they just push the button right and they're able to accomplish these things So but it does show their their their capabilities. They didn't have the munitions so they don't have these bunker busters to To to penetrate and get down, you know to the to the times or wherever So it it did it wasn't a surprise that we did it um Again, I just think We should be and I suspect the Pentagon, you know, felt like we yeah, we should have been more circumspect and how we described the success of it Now the foreign minister from Iran's come out the past couple of days right and he said oh you know, you know Serious damage.

2:15:22We've had to stop all Iranian enrichment people going a look, you know and even the White House has said well see You know, we we you know significantly damaged all their enrichment capabilities Okay, if you believe what the goddamn Iranian foreign minister says, right? But he's a spokesman for the mullahs and why would you why would you yeah, so why would they be honest about the losses? They've taken yeah, so he's he's pushing a message right right and so you know who knows But I think I think there's there's been damage but not the degree that we you know they they they would like to have seen But a lot of people didn't understand like why at this point did we do that because one of the narratives was that they Had the capability of enriching uranium to 90 % where they could but they they didn't plan on doing it They only wanted to have it so that they could use it as leverage Um, yeah, there is no Yeah, there's no civilian purpose for having you know 60 % enriched uranium so um Yes, maybe they thought if we if we get a stockpile of it then we're very close because that's an easy lift getting from well relatively speaking getting from 60 to 90 % for weapons great So yes, maybe their thought was only would just use as leverage and we're not actually going to pursue a weapon But I don't know that you want to you know You know, you want to make strategic decisions based on the hope that that's the case right I think Everything else they've shown in the past their obfuscation their hiding of their program Backing off of past agreements.

2:16:54None of that show that they were earnest Negotiators or they were that they were honest brokers and in what that weapons program was like So I think you know, there was there sounds like there was significant intelligence that came into the Israeli services that said they're fast -tracking this whole effort And that may have been in part because of the the The damage done to their proxies Right, so they may have looked and seen look as well as leadership was torn apart right their stockpiles were we're incredibly degraded Same thing with with the others And so maybe you know that was the motivation perhaps I'm speculating for the Iranian regime to say okay Let's get this done you know as push if the Israelis picked up on that then that would you know be Yeah sufficient justification to say we got to act now But the thing is it's like we had to get dragged into it.

2:17:48Yeah. Yeah That's where it gets fucked up because like one of the things that people voted for With this new administration was no more wars No more useless wars and then six months in we're bombing Iran. Yeah. No, I'd look I'm I'm not here to argue whether You know, I know there's a lot of people that say we should not be doing any of this shit Right, we shouldn't be yeah, we shouldn't have been in Iraq. We shouldn't have Afghanistan We shouldn't you know gone to Vietnam. We shouldn't okay fine You know, um, you know, there's a lot of people that That argue that we should just sit in a bubble because the world will happen and it won't impact us right um Some of the shit that happens outside, you know the US borders will come back in a massively You know serious way and fight us in the ass.

2:18:32So you know could a conflagration out in the Middle East if we don't take any part in it Could it impact US national security is this one? Yeah, it could so you but it's a call I get it But you know people saying draw the curtains and we shouldn't be at war and we shouldn't be doing any of this and we shouldn't support Israel and what are we doing? Um, I you know, I understand the mindset. I just don't agree with it, but You know, um, I think so I I think the limited participation in terms of of Of providing the necessary munitions to attack those sites again wasn't a surprise Don't disagree with the decision You know, I just think you know, we need to be pragmatic about how much damage we've done What the potential is for us having to revisit this whole issue, right?

2:19:17So I think it's like people are so skeptical about motivations now They're so skeptical about public narratives like why we're doing this and why we're doing that And I think one of the things is important. They hearing it from a person like yourself that's spent most of your lifetime involved in this That There are things like we really shouldn't be meddling in every part of the world, but sometimes we have to metal There are occasions there are times again, I it would be great if we lived in a world where we could just worry about ourselves But that's not you know, maybe two hundred fifty years ago it was right because It would take the armada a long time to make its way across the ocean, but um You know, it should happens with with remarkable speed now and I just think It's an idealistic idea that you can you can Ignore what's happening and you can just say we're only focusing on us We're not going to we're not going to get involved in anything that happens out there I agree there's a lot of things that we don't need to be involved in right um, you know looking back on Looking back on Iraq looking back on Afghanistan right now I've got to say I should have been a surgical move right we should have gone into tour bore blown the shit out of that tried to get You know Bin Laden and then we should have said look if you if you do this again meaning if you let your country be a sandbox for the terrorists We're going to come back here and do this again And then we should have gotten the hell out and not worried about well, maybe we can build a stable federal style government in Afghanistan Which has never happened and which we could have looked at what the Soviets said in the IS and not going to work So there's things where we should be learning and we're not very good at we should be learning and saying uh But my point being is you got to leave the door open because there are times when shit go really seriously wrong And if the Iranians suddenly you know if you're wrong about the hope that well I think they just for peaceful purposes because I'm going to for some reason believe You know counter to their actions up till now.

2:21:08I'm going to believe the Iranian regime So it's peaceful purposes and then they announced that they're a member of the nuclear club You got a shit storm going on in the Middle East because it's not like the regional actors like the Saudis are going to go Okay, no worries. We're going to let Iran have the bomb and we're not going to get it right now You're going to have multiple nuclear armed nations sitting in the Middle East And that odds with each other at odds with each other and I don't know that that's a really good scenario Because you're inching closer to you know use of a tactical nuclear weapon Like like you know Putin's already and is his is his moronic puppet Medvedev, you know, it keeps rattling the nuclear sable Remember we'll use the use a tactical nuke maybe Yeah, you you start getting closer to that and that's that's a real problem So I think there are times when you got it you got to step in And in an intelligent way, but you got to be pragmatic about what that means And so what I'm saying about with with Iran is I we didn't really solve anything Right And nothing will get solved the the Iranian population isn't going to have a better life Um until there's a change in that regime.

2:22:14I'm not advocating regime change Unless it comes from inside Iran right and that's what you would you'd like to think maybe at some point They rise up and save fucking enough's enough Right? Yeah, you know and But that hasn't happened and despite people hoping it would happen. Yeah Yeah, it's um It's very It gives people a lot of anxiety and we think about all the possibilities of all with the world And all the different things that are happening whether it's Ukraine and Russia or Iran and Israel. It's like It's constant. What's going on in Gaza? It's like everything is it's just like this constant feed of doom Yeah, you know, if you're paying attention and you kind of have to pay attention a little Because uh, yeah, it is kind of crazy and it could It could affect your life Which is I think why why we're so quick to want to you know, glom on to what's happening with Epstein And what's happening with the the you know the intel assessment of them because it it takes away the focus from You know, that's shit happening in the world You know, they could create bigger conflict right and could drag us into something something bigger Look the European Union is they're heavily focused on what's going on with Russia because they're sitting on the border right and so You know right now Yeah, Putin he has no interest in peace right he he thinks he's still kind of winning right and there's this hope that well We think the Russian economy is about to crumble it doesn't look that way.

2:23:38I don't think it's going to crumble So but I mean at my point being is that the EU looks at it from a different perspective than the US does Now I think one of the things that Trump's done very well is to get the EU to focus more of their own resources on this That's a great move right and people should be able to say yeah, whether they're Democrat or Republican Yeah, it makes sense focus more on it right. It's yeah, it's in your backyard And so I think that's like that's a good step from this administration. They should be talking about it more But does that mean we should back off entirely? Well again, you know, I hear I hear from folks all the time and they're like yeah, why do we give a shit?

2:24:12You know, why should we be spending our you know, resources on Ukraine um And Fine if you're okay with with you know with Putin winning then fine. Okay, you know, then you know I get your point, but at least admit that what you're saying is you know, we shouldn't be supporting uh Ukraine and frankly without US support You know, Ukraine's not going to win this this fight and whatever that win means right the win Sometimes they even win. Yeah, not in terms of like a we've reclaimed all our territory. That's never going to happen So it's a negotiated settlement of some sort that's not completely unpalatable for for you know the Ukrainian people right so What you what they're going to you know who knows maybe the you know the goal is Clearly to get everything back, but they're not going to get Crimea back They're not going to get you know the some of the eastern region that the Russians have been sitting in now for a quite a long time Right even before the the invasion.

2:25:10So You know, you've got some negotiated settlement that they can accept um but You know if you if we say we're not going to support them and you can't inflict enough Pressure or whatever you want to call it pain on Putin to get him in a serious way to the negotiating table Then ultimately yeah, they're you know the Russian military will overwhelm them right because they've got the support of China They've got certainly the support in North Korea and North Korea is about to send another 30 ,000 troops To you know to the front lines on behalf of Putin. I mean that's crazy, but We've got North Korean troops and by the thousands fighting and dying in in in Ukraine and So You know the US providing military support that keeps them in the fight long enough to hopefully with the EU expanding what they're doing To hopefully get Putin to think okay, fuck it.

2:26:04I do have to sit down at the table Great this was discouraging is that Trump said when I get into office. I can fix this in 24 hours. Yeah I know that seemed messaging problem again. Correct messaging problem. Yeah, yeah It's always it again. I go back to that same thing There's there's always a problem with with you know, and again. I this is not a I'm just saying maybe get better You know comms people And try to get a little just a tad bit more disciplined But you know the idea that you're going to fix this problem in a day, you know, it's hyperbole But people buy into it right and then you get a mob that are saying well how come we couldn't and what are you doing here and you Rather than saying well no more wars just say the world is an unusual unstable chaotic place There may be occasion when we need to be involved, but I'm going to try to minimize that you know say something like that And then you don't have to throw more red meat to the crowd, but It's yeah the Ukraine situation And Zelensky's got some other problems right This is it's an interesting situation that may hopefully it doesn't bore people But it's it's important to keep on the radar Is that you know Zelensky Has just signed a bill that come kind of gutted the two primary anti -corruption Organizations in Ukraine and Ukraine's had years and years of history of being of corrupt nation and It's always been a roadblock to them getting into the European Union because it's saying you've got to do something to clean this God damn place up, right?

2:27:34So Ukraine has had a history of not just with Zelensky, but well prior to that and so the parliament you know Wrote up a bill basically handing over control of these two anti -corruption independent organizations that monitor corruption inside the Ukraine Government handed over that control to the Prosecutor general Government control of these organizations and they put that bill that they wrote as Zelensky supporter wrote it Put it on Zelensky's desk as like 48 hours ago and he had the choice to either sign it or veto it Again, here's the problem we think like who the fuck was advising him right veto that goddamn thing But he didn't that he signed it and now you got street protests significant large street protests in Ukraine Against this because they considered this this authoritarian takeover and they're and they know what their history was like And so the people are worried about this so they're out on the streets protesting Putin's looking at it going like that's fantastic Because Putin's been saying that Zelensky's an illegitimate leader for some time now and one of his demands has always been You know all negotiate, but you know, Zelensky needs to go and because he wants a pro -Cremlin leader in there So you've got all this going on and then Zelensky decides he's gonna sign this bill now He's got the protest now.

2:28:48He's gonna have to he's he's he's trying to scramble so now he said well, we're gonna We're gonna introduce a new bill to strengthen our anti -corruption efforts. So now he's trying to you know, cauterize that wound. So You know, that's it's just again. It's a it's a self -inflicted wound. He shouldn't have done it, but um I'm just and I'm trying to speak to the complexity that's going on out there right now. Jesus Christ my baker. Yeah, I'm sorry about that um Yeah, anyway, so this Yeah, it's we touched very great. We haven't even talked about about About the situation with Hamas and in Israel, but I'll leave that for another day Because I'm sure if we got together again in another half a year It's still going on.

2:29:28There's no there's no ceasefire that's gonna happen You know every time you turn around to the US Whitcaw for somebody in the US administration or the Saudis or the Egyptians or the Qataris whoever's handling mediation is saying Yeah, we're very close to a ceasefire It's just not it's just not happening. So Yeah, it's gonna be a mess. We can talk about that some other time Yeah, yeah, I know that's it anyway. You can give us some happy news to wrap this up um Is there anything positive? Yeah, well, I know you got a bunch of notes over there. I do. I do Anything like you know what? Okay. What am I know?

2:30:04I know I know of them. I can well I got one about it. Well Aussie and and and Hulk Hogan. I mean they died. That's not positive Yeah, I lost Hulk Hogan today. We did Hulk Hogan. What a what a guy and then Aussie. I mean Goddamn career. But the Aussie thing was less surprising because he'd been battling Parkinson's and he was very old, but the Hulk Hogan thing was crazy. He was He was here just how long ago a year ago? Yeah, yeah in the podcast for a year ago. Well, Aussie did that concert on the 5th of July. I know. Yeah I mean in its chair, but Hulk went in for some surgery apparently and we got an infection Yeah, yeah, um, I think it was neck or spine surgery or something that he couldn't come back from but Yeah, and then it's all in the same week and then And then what what's his name then the other guy this poor guy it always happens right Malcolm Jamal Warner think the kid from the Cosby show he dies and then nobody thinks about it because Right the day after Aussie dies and then Hulk Hogan guys day, you know, there was dying three.

2:31:09Yeah But we like it say that celebrity's dying threes. Why is that true? Yeah, but poor Malcolm I mean he goes and and his his death is completely, you know, it's like It's like if you and I were on a plane and plane went down and be like We lost a legend today, you know, Joe Rogan has gone along with 240 others and I'd be like the other You know, I'd be it'd be a sad moment Malcolm died Swimming right you got caught in the under yeah, yeah, it was a swimming incident in coast of rica. Yeah, get pulled out by a rip tide Yeah, man, you gotta be able to swim and you gotta not fuck with the tides.

2:31:44Yeah, it's got I was scary shit Yeah, we were out in in the Caymans my wife and I for I had gone down there to give a speech at something and so we said let's go you know snorkeling whatever and So I went out I didn't take a pft. I didn't take a you know, I Inflatable device with me, right. I should just grab the belt, you know, he's probably get it So I was out there swimming snorkeling around and and at some point I was like I don't feel good and I don't feel right and then I could tell Because I had an art issue in the past right and he was exactly what was gonna happen And so I started feeling this and I did and I could just kind of feel the energy drain out of me But I'm out in the middle of the fucking you know water and I kind of look up and there's no I can see I can see my wife off in the distance, you know, but I'm like The I you know, and so I'm just trying to keep my goddamn head above water And so I get her attention finally she comes over and she's a brilliant person and she's a great athlete very strong swimmer And so she's trying to help but now I'm doing that dude thing where I don't really want the I don't want to make a fuss Right, so I'm out there in the water.

2:32:50I don't want to take my mask off and I'm saying I'll be okay And I'm gonna I'm you know, I'm just kind of like barely going But I'm doing that the dude thing right when you have as a dude if you're having a heart attack You don't want to learn because you like I don't want to cause a scene I don't want to be a problem. I don't want to show that I'm I'm weak or whatever So she literally hauls my ass back to shore right and So it was it was one of those moments. I got back down But I you know, it's fine after after a little bit But it was just one of those moments we realized this to be a fucked up way to go Right just kind of drowning and you know being at the bottom of that and they got fishy out But so I feel bad for yeah, Malcolm's moral warning But but then also is you know his news got blown out by Ozzy and now Hulk So it is weird that they always die in threes.

2:33:37Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what that's all about It's so common cosmic retribution something's going on But it's like there's a pattern to the universe where that happens. Yeah, so but now as far as gent uh, you know good news

2:33:53I'm really working on this one. You're here. Uh, yeah. Yeah. We're here. Got to listen is still going to see oasis That's good. Oh nice. Yeah, I'm gonna go see oasis and like yeah coming to Los Angeles Nice a big deal. Oh, they're back together. God damn it. Right. I know. I'm just hoping it's not because not till September So the danger is that they feud They break up. Fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck off Yeah, so it's good, but it's gonna be should be a great show They've been doing a bang up job, but as long as they stick come on guys stick together make it to the uh, it's a September and we'll be fine But other than uh, you know, this you know this good news happening out there.

2:34:31I'm sure I just haven't I haven't seen it All right. I'm sorry. Tell everybody your podcast. Oh, uh, yeah. Thank you. It's the president's daily brief. It's available We've got a YouTube channel President's daily briefs doing well So yeah is what do I see you on the charts all the time? Yeah We're up there. We're always in the hovering around the top 10 and I think it speaks to the fact that You know for the most part look we're just trying to tell people what's happening without telling them how to think about it Yes, and that's what people want because there's not a lot of that and it's worked out well and that regard and any Occasionally I'll I'll say something I get a little comment in there, but I try to keep the opinion out of it But it's yeah, it's all the podcast platforms a YouTube channel and it's it's gone well.

2:35:13It's been a great adventure So far and it's been growing which again for me that That is very satisfying in the sense that You know nowadays everything's opinion right everything got him opinion right not just opinion But again, what you're saying telling you how to think telling you how to think about it. Yeah, this is how you have to think Yeah, so it's yeah president's daily brief anybody gets a chance to check it out subscribe whatever you do Um, and I appreciate you let me Bang on about that. I appreciate you telling me about things and explaining Yeah, so I get I get lost out there. I always feel like I come in here at bummy out and uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you definitely did today Dude, I'm going to your show tonight.

2:35:53I'm gonna love it. Okay. America wants to know this before I go The White House card. Is it happening supposedly? Yeah, supposedly July 4th next year. Yeah. Okay. July 4th next year. Yep. Okay. That's it's gonna be amazing It should be wild is Jones coming back I don't know, you know, it's a lot of time a tree now and then yeah, he's a wild card. Yeah, all right I'd like to see it. I'd like to see him. Oh you kidding me for the title. Yeah, on the White House lawn that'd be pretty wild It's it's crazy. No, okay, so I didn't mean to drag that one out but anyway, thank you. All right. Thank you.

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