#2358 - Chadd Wright

28:20So high pressure, so they're used to like, they're always with the head on a swivel, always looking around for a hunter. That would be a fun, huh? That would turn you up. Oh, it's great before elxies. Yeah, that would turn you up. Because you'll get, if you blow a stalk, you get another stalk in 10 seconds, like you're on another animal, and you're in these fields that used to be where the dole plant grew pineapples. So it's kind of a weird ground. I guess the way they would farm pineapples, they would put like a layer of plastic down, and then the soil would be above the plastic. So everywhere you go, it's weird.

28:56You see almost like garbage bag, plastic underneath the dirt all over the place. Oh, big darn. And these animals are, you'll sit on the top of a hill and look down on a field and you might see 600 Axis deer wandering around this field. Good, nice. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's so unnatural. But are they, they're not native? No. Okay. They were given the King, Kamehameha by, I think the King of India, whatever the ruler of India was in the 1800s and they give, and they've had them on this island forever. And they're just completely overpopulated. Yeah. They're all like all over the place and big ones too Big bath on huh.

29:40Oh, it's a great hunt. It's a great if if you have a rifle It's a no -brainer. It's like you're 100 % gonna get a deer But if you got a bow I mean I went out there with camhains and remy worn and Adam Green Tree And all these just like bonafide killers who like world -class hunters cam's best in the world That's the world. And John Dudley was there too. We went out there and we were there for like six or seven days and everyone was successful. And then we made a podcast about it, blew up the outfitters, a great place to go hunt. You stayed at the four seasons, incredible food, amazing amenities, beautiful, beautiful resort.

30:19And then you get to go and hunt in this incredible place. but after we left he said they had 150 people come within that season from from then until the time we went back the next year One guy was successful with a bow one One night, man, and you're just so many opportunities, but they're so fast and if you add odds bad odds Yeah, well you have here's the deal don't try the morning. I use I've hunted in the morning I've been successful, but it's too fucking quiet You really want to go in the afternoon because in the afternoon you get a lot of wind yeah, and you know You just got to pick your spots and play your stocks correctly Have you turkey hunting?

30:58Yes, okay. Yeah, Eastern or or what? California it was in California. Okay. It was in the mariums or probably it was in the the wine country Up there I went up there with Steve Vinella. Okay, it took me to our count. It was fun You know his buddies a big squirrel hunter stays buddies a big squirrel hunter What's that guy name Clay Newcom? Yeah, he's got a bunch of face dogs. He I think he hunts off of mules Yes, I tell you what we ought to do we ought to set up a big squirrel hunt with everybody What me me and you and Clay and Cam and and we'll just we ought to set up a big squirrel hunt I do I've had squirrel once it's vanilla.

31:37He cooked some squirrel up for us Boy if we could get him to come in and cook to that would be outstanding It would be because I have a hard time making this wild game taste taste worth a flip. Do you? I'm just not a good cook man. I noticed that well I was gonna talk to you about your steak cooking We got to work on that. Yeah, um, I'm just not much of a cook man. I want you to cook a steak on a Trigger and I was like listen There's the way to cook a steak on a Trigger is you can cook a steak on a Trigger like you could cook like if you have a roast Like you can cook a good roast on a Trigger, but the reality is you need to be able to see it and so you can't really see your things on a and I saw what you did to try to turn the temperature up real high and then cook at the end.

32:16The key is getting on a frying pan. Like get it low and slow on the trigger. I like 225 degrees with the super smoke, get it nice and smoky. Get it up to 120 degrees and then cast iron skillet. Get that motherfucker hot. Put some beef tally in there and it's like 90 seconds on each side. Seals it up. Perfect. Now do you do mustier own cooking? Yeah, I do almost all my own cooking. Okay. I cook a lot. Does your wife cook? Yeah, she cooks too. Yeah, my wife cooks. I'm so blessed that she cooks because I've got a long ways to go. I actually made a goal of mine. I've been working on. I cook for her one night a week.

32:55Mm. And it's worked out a few times, but I'm learning. You appreciate that tip on the steak. Yeah, the tip on the steak, it's reverse sear, what it's called. And I learned that from Whiskey Bent, my friend Chad, Whiskey Bent barbecue. and he said, if you really want to cook it steak correctly, he goes, you want it to be slowly cooked and then sear the outside. A lot of people try to sear it first. He's like, I don't agree with that. The other thing, the way to get it, the juiciest steak is to slow cook it and then sear it at the end, the reverse sear method. Well, I'm gonna try that when I get the mouth.

33:28It's the move. My cousin raises all the cows we eat. Oh, that's right. My mama makes all the bread we eat. My wife grows all the vegetables that we eat. I'm almost seasonally, you know what I mean? Seasonally. My cousin raises all the cows. You know, we get our water right out of the ground. I take buckets of water once a week, go collect water. Come right out of a spring, some old red necks. Found a spring back in there and around a PVC pipe out of it, you know, and so we just go there and collect all the water. So you're totally off the grid. Well, you know, we'll order some stuff from the grocery store, you know?

34:07So just, it wouldn't be hard at all to ramp things up to the point that we were 100 % eating what we could produce as a family unit. No one person is going to produce everything that they need for them and their family to eat. It's my cousin, he raises cows. We know where they're coming from, we know how they're living, we know what they're being like I said, my mama makes bread. My wife can grow anything. It's an effort. You know, I hunt. I can bring in wild game meat at any time. Everybody thinks about when the apocalypse comes. You know, you think you're gonna be eating all these deer and elk and stuff.

34:56You're gonna be eating squirrel, buddy. Squirrel and birds. Maybe a possum ever now and then. Them deer's gonna be going quick. Probably going right. Small game, a smog. If you want a really subsistence, you know, get your meat from the wild, you got to be able to hunt a small game. Squirrels, rabbits, Cooom, Possum, You got to be able to hunt them. You know, you go out and try to hunt a Cooom without a dog. You ain't gonna kill no Cooom, you know? I can take a good dog and kill 10 Coooms and an hour if I'm gonna do this. What is Ra Cooom taste like? Ra Cooom's pretty greasy. You got to, again, you got to cook it right.

35:35You know so much wild game other than elk I found elk Seems to be really really good even if you're not a skilled cook Yeah, you know to me anyways. It's the best wild game meat. I'll be right Yeah, but but like these squirrels coons Things like small game even rabbit They can get real tough, you know that you can Is that raccoon jam? Yeah, that's cool right there. You cook it in a crock pot a lot of this small game you slow cook it, you know, and that kind of helps keep it moist and break it down. Yeah. But anyways, man, I'm all over the darn place. And you probably have to cook it to a high temperature too.

36:18Raccoons probably get tricking us, right? I don't know if a corn does or not. I've killed a bunch of bears, and I know they do. They do. Yeah, that's the one thing I didn't like about bear. Yeah, me too. It makes me uncomfortable. I killed two black bears both up with my bow both up about 500 pounds Whoa those are big black bears. That's big big black bears. These Georgia black bears. No, these are Virginia There's a place in Virginia called the great Dillsmall Swamp It's about 110 ,000 acre continuous block of land. That's what's left of it It's eat up with bears. I mean I would take my kundal down the down the the swamp bottom we called it the run and During springtime when in bears were out with cubs.

37:05I couldn't him hardly run my koon dog up and down through there There were so many bears in there and themselves would get they would get you know mad at us for being in there And start popping their teeth and making racket. I took a young man with me down in there one time First time he ever been koon hunting. I was hunting a dog called a leopard curve And I cut that dog loose in there and he went down in there. Oh, boom, slam tree. I thought, all right, this is good, because Kunhun can be rough. We walked down in there and I had this young guy with me. He had the rifle. We got up to the tree and I walk up to that dog and leash it up and I'm fooling with the dog getting it leashed back on the tree there.

37:44And he said, what is that? I said, what are you talking about? He said, stop and listen. And I stopped and that dog quit barking for a second. And all of a sudden I could hear bark raining down on the leaves above my head because it was summertime About that time about 300 pound black bear comes sliding down on that tree like it was on a fireman's pole Landed I'm talking about that juggerland at a right in the midst of me him and the dog and He's standing there. He's just frozen because he's never been coon hunting before. He's got the gun He's just frozen. And about the time that bear hit the ground, I snapped the leash off of that dog because the dog was my only chance to run this bear out of our vicinity.

38:27And those, these curved dogs are real gritty. They won't back up. They're, I mean, they won't back up from nothing. They're like a, like a gamecock, man. And that dog tore out after that bear ran him out. I looked over at that boy, I said, Where you just gonna, you've got the gun, you just stood there and didn't, he said, well I thought that happens all the time. But that's how many bears was in this area, man. So I'd be out there whitetail hunting, you know, in a big old 500 pound bore bear would come up, you know, I've had them climb the tree that I was sitting in the tree stand. But you know, if a big one came by, it's hard not to shoot a big trophy bear, especially with a bow.

39:15So I've killed two, but when we killed him bare, I would just, there was a lot of poor, real poor people that lived around in there. Well, there was one man named Zachari. He was about a 90 year old black man he had one eye. He hunted year around because he had to hunt to eat. We'd see him out in the field deer hunting in the middle of summertime, wouldn't nobody say nothing to him because they knew he had to eat. But I'd call Zachari when I killed that bear Well then he would call all of his people in the community and we'd take that bear down to the skin and shed and We're then 10 minutes. We'd have 50 people lined up at the skin and shed with grocery bags And so we would cut this bear up and process this bear and these you know poor people they'd come down there and get them a big piece of meat Well by the time Everybody was done They wasn't maybe but one piece of meat left, you know what I mean because I don't like bear but I shorter like killing them.

40:12Have you ever had it cook well? Done well? We've cooked something at the house, but I have it. I mean, I haven't. That's what I'm saying. I'm not a good cook. I just have to learn how to do it. My friends John and Jen, they run an outfitter in their outfitters in Alberta and their bear hunters. And I've been bear hunting with them and they take like a roast and they'll cook it on a trigger. They brine it. They put it in like they marinate it and it's fantastic. It's like some of like better than the best roast beef you've ever had. Oh, I know there's a way There's a way to make it taste good. It's all it's also in what they eat You know if you get them and they've been eating like a dead moose and you know They've been feasting on that for a couple weeks and then it's rotten and they just they stink and that's not yeah No, they want to get acorn bears.

41:01These fires we were killing what they would they were raising They were so big they were eating corn and soybeans. Yeah, perfect, you know No, they need a pile of deer guts too, I mean. Yeah, they need everything. I would gut a deer out there. You know, if I killed a deer, I gut it in the woods. I don't gut them back at the house. I just gut them in the woods. And you come back an hour later and they wouldn't be, not a speck of them guts left. Crazy. I mean, they would eat the fire out of them. Do you know that the early pioneers preferred bear meat and they used deer just for skins? No, I did not know that.

41:34Yeah, like Daniel Boone and all those fellas, Those guys, they were bear hunters. They wanted the fat. Yeah, they wanted the fat, and they ate bear meat because they thought it was closer to beef. Huh. Yeah. Well, it is closer to beef. Yeah, I would say, then deer. Yeah, I would say so. Especially if it's cooked well, it's delicious. It's just, you gotta get a bear that's not eating rotten meat and not eat fish and cook it right. But if you cook it right, it's fantastic. It's really good. Bear sausage is fantastic. It's all just in how you get it prepared. Yeah. How you do it? Renell was really good at it.

42:08Well, say I got to start running in the right circles with people that can cook. Yeah. That's my problem. My friend Jesse who owns this restaurant here called Died Do -A. What is Jesse's that he runs a school, the teachers people, how to shoot hogs, how to butcher them, how to cook them. And, you know, he likes old, ruddy old hogs and he really knows how to do it correctly. So this is it. This is a new school of traditional cookery. So Jesse will take people and he'll take them out there, teach them how to hunt, teach them everything about it, how to, how to stock an animal, how to dress the game, how to cook it and prepare it and what the cuts you're looking for.

42:58and he teaches classes on this. How cool is that? It's amazing. I mean, it's a small class because he wants to do it correctly, but he's incredible. In that restaurant, if you ever get a chance to go to it, die due in town, it's amazing. I'm going to go ahead and tell you, if you can make an old bore hog taste good, you have gotten to be a master. He's a master. He also cooked diver ducks for us, which everybody says are disgusting. And they were fantastic. And he's like, it's all just in the preparation. You marinated them, you slow cook them on a smoker. They were fantastic. All that stuff just takes time, you know?

43:35It just takes time. It's so much easier just to cook a ribeye. Oh yeah. You know what I mean? That's the easiest. The easiest is, yeah. It's just, there's something about wild game to me that's different kind of food. It's, it feels different when you eat it as more energy to it. Yeah. It's like it's just so nutrient -density eating your whole body just goes woof Woof you feel it, you know like you go to elk steak and eat that Medium rare and you just biting into it and it's juicy and I can't wait man Oh, I hope I get one. I think I got a good chance of getting one these boys are serious Yeah, well with a rifle your chances are a lot higher and I know you're a real good shot So you probably in it a guy like you also could shoot accurately at a distance Which is huge.

44:29Yeah, no idea you're there. You know, you can I'm sure you can make a 500 yard shot easy And if your rifles tuned correctly for something like that. It's like you got a pretty good shot Have you been have you been up to the Yukon territory at all? No, no, I haven't I just got back What are you doing up there? It's been you know, he's been quite the journey me, both on the micro and the micro level to wind up here at this table with you. I spent the last about the last month sitting with a good friend of mine, one of my biggest mentors in my life. I said, I'd sit with him for hours on end while he was dying.

45:09And And then I had to leave him and I went out to the Yukon. Sorry, man. We need to talk more about that by the way. And I had a teammate that I went through, seal training and all with. He was paralyzed 14 years ago. And he wanted to go on an adventure. And I said, well, there's a race out there. It's a thousand mile kayaking race. It's the longest kayaking race in the world on the Yukon river. Totally unsupported. He said, all right, well, he prepared for about two years and We went out there and did that on the Yukon river. Oh, I Came home and my buddy died the day I got home and So it's been a man.

46:04It's been a while last month or so Have you ever got to sit with anybody? Wather dying. Important to you? Not Wather dying. I highly recommend it. It will teach you so much, man, about what's important. It has made me grow. Like, I don't know, man, it just gives me the dag on tills thinking about it. And the crazy thing is, is the type of person that I used to be out of thought, you know, going and sitting with someone who's dying is a waste of time. Like I got other things to do, right? You do too. We got busy lives. Well this man, he mentored me hunting and everything, working all that. His name was Don Tidwell.

46:54From the time I was about 13 to the time I left to go become a Navy SEAL. Well, I did my whole Navy thing. I got out, I reconnected with Don for a while, but then I started this company now that we have three of seven projects, got busy. I have a curse from my military service. It's, I have this unique ability to be able to forget you ever existed. When I get on some sort of mission and you're not part of that anymore, I can forget you ever existed. And so I lost touch with him because of my own selfishness and been doing this thing for the last four or five years.

47:52Well, He's got pancreatic cancer. He's got maybe a two weeks left. He just wants to see you one more time. Good night, man. Took a lot of courage for me to go show up in front of him and Sit down with him and say Mr. Don. I'm sorry. I haven't been the friend to you that you deserve. Will you forgive me? He's laying there dying. He looks back at me and says, son, there's nothing to forgive. I mean, just like. And then from that point, I'd go sit with him twice a week for eight or nine or ten hours, just sit right there by his bed, I read the scriptures to him. He only had a third grade education.

48:42We read about the gospel, and we read about the resurrection, and we read about creation, and you know, we don't, first thing that you learn, I think, when you sit with somebody that's dying is that death is the great foe that sits above mankind and scoffs at our wisdom. You give what I'm saying? Yeah. He said that death is this great foe. It is the enemy that sits above us and mocks the wisdom of man. Mr. Don had built up basically an empire within the community he lived in. He had made millions and millions of dollars as an entrepreneur, couldn't read or write. But he still had to succumb to this process that's coming for all of us.

49:39I don't know, man. That just hit me. We think we want to look up at the sky and we want to explain how the cosmos began and we can't even solve our own biggest problem. We can't solve our own biggest problem Which is death right it's the big it's the biggest problem for all of us Yeah, we can't figure out how to solve it how to overcome it like We don't think about this enough like Have you ever thought why? Are you dying? Have you ever thought about that? Sure. Like not, like I get it. Like all of us, we understand that as, you know, we go along through this life, and then something happens. We get hit by a car, one of our organs fail, cancer happens, whatever, and we say that killed us, right?

50:38And that thing did kill us, but your entire life is leading you to that point. Like why do you have to die? Like it's it's by necessity. You must die. Why? What's killing you? What are you what's killing you? Well age your body stops reproducing correctly your cells don't reproduce correctly. So why does that happen? What's causing that every animal almost every animal on this planet has a timeline that it exists in it's probably Probably, it's probably a natural function of keeping a balance. Like all of nature has balance. And I mean, can imagine if mosquitoes lived a thousand years, what a fucking pain they ask that would be?

51:27No, they get a couple of, but how long does mosquito live? A week? How long does a fly live? A week? Good. Otherwise we'd be fucked. You know, a deer. Good deer. A good deer that's like the best days of its life. It's like 13 years it's done. It's over. It's gonna it's limping. It's gonna get torn apart by coyotes. Whatever gets it Everything has a time because if it didn't then there'd be too many people There'd be too many animals would be the balance be all fucked up That's that's a great answer man the thing is there's a lot of scientists that are working on that and a lot of scientists that I've talked to they're treating aging Like a disease so instead of just accepting the fact like oh your 50 now things are slowing down like well Why are they slowing down and what can we do to reverse that?

52:11I love thinking along those lines, man. Like, yeah, I love that. The very least what it does is improves your performance radically as an older person. Improves your physical performance. What was what people would be capable of naturally with no supplements 20, 30 years ago, it's a very different world today, very, very, very different. And with all the different modalities, all the different things you could do, like hyperbaric treatments, NMN, supplementation, red light therapy, cold plunge sauna, all these different things radically change the composition of your body and your overall metabolic health.

52:50Radically changes it. And then with hormone therapy and all the other different things that you can do, I mean it's just a just because of science and because of people figuring these things out, It's a radically different world than it was in the past. But is there a solution? Like is there a fix for death? Like is anyone searching or even contemplating that? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Davidson Claire is all over that. He's a guy from Harvard that we've had on the podcast a few times. That's his primary study. They're treating aging as a disease and trying to figure out what different types of medication, with different types of therapies, what's the root cause of the cells aging and not reproducing correctly?

53:34It's an ugly thing, man. Oh, it gets rough, especially if you don't take care of yourself. That's the rough one. When you see people that have been drinking their whole life, and then they quit at 75, and you're like, oh, it's a little late. You know, even torturing your body, forcing your body to process poison for decades. Yeah. You know and and also just living in cities alone you knew you were talking about that smell that That weird smell that you get in cities that's fucking break dust and tires and exhaust fumes and do do and do do It's a little bit do not bad here go to San Francisco I found a turd on the side of the trail today human turd.

54:15It was a terrible long two man Yeah, my wife took my back took a video of it You might see it on YouTube the next couple of days. Okay. Your visit to Austin. But yeah, man, just sitting with him makes me contemplate these things. And for me, obviously because of my world view being shaped by scripture, it makes me go to scripture and bounce these questions off of the scriptures, you know? and even it, I think it was powerful too because, you know, I'm sitting with a man who's important to me who is bearing this burden of death and by the way he bore it well. It was amazing to me that I could go and sit with him and he would talk to me and take time to spend with me even in the midst of this terrible process that he was going through.

55:13I told him I said you could have just laid there on this bed and not said a word to anybody and nobody would have blamed you You know it's scary. It's it's you he couldn't sit still you know and and because he was in so much pain It's that gonna cancer is rough man. Pancreatic is a bad yeah, it's rough, but but then you know He had these same questions that I'm thinking like why does this have to happen? you know and then for me then to have to go and search the Scriptures and then come to him with the Scriptures and share the Scriptures with him to give him some of the answers that he had. I would read a Scripture to him and he would say, again, Mr.

56:00Donne had a strong faith in the message of what we call the gospel. but he didn't know all the other stuff because he couldn't read. So I would read a scripture to him and then he would say, read another one, read another one. And I was see, it was the wildest thing, dude. I've never seen it. I've never seen anything like it before. I've been following the Lord Jesus for 13 years now, I was reading these words off of the page, not even explaining them to him. I was just reading him these scriptures and they were manifesting like power in him. Like you could see, you witnessed a change in his expression and his attitude.

56:55It was like these words, I'm reading our manifesting power and hope and like literal energy. Like I would come over and read the scriptures to him and he would been in bed for the last four days, wouldn't get up for anybody. I'd read the scriptures to him and then next thing you know, we'd be out on the porch. Like he'd get out of bed and we'd go walk out on the porch. I'd have to help him walk, right? and his wife kept saying, you're the best thing for him right now. I'm like, no, you don't understand. It's not my presence for somehow I'm reading him from these scriptures. And it's like manifesting some sort of power and hope in him.

57:36And it like would give him energy in some way. And I can't explain. I've never seen it happen like I've never witnessed that before, you know? What's probably even more profound because he can't read. So you're reading it to him. I'm dead. Right? Dead, it was wild, man. Like, and I would read these scriptures to him, Joe. And he would say, yeah, I understand that now. And like we're reading complex things, like we're reading about the resurrection, like the bodily resurrection of all the saints at the second coming of Christ. And you know, he asked me, one of the questions he asked me, has anybody ever really explained to you what happens when we leave here, you know?

58:23Because he's wondering these things. Like I'm about to depart this tent, buddy. What's about to happen? And I'm like, well, they only answer I can give you, Mr. Don, has got to come from these scriptures. And so, and I would read these complex scriptures to him. 1 Corinthians chapter 15 and 2 Corinthians chapter 5. And he would, he would under it, like it would make sense to him in his mind and more than my mind could comprehend the truth of what I was reading. Like that was what was wild. It was like this. Because of that stage in his life, where he's baking it in. This veil between this realm and the next realm was getting thin.

59:06And he was taking in the truth of this word and processing it logically at a level that I can't process it because this veil for us is still so thin unless you hit that DMT, right? We'll talk about that later. But right now. And so I'm witnessing it was wild, dude. And two, crazy things happen. When I sit with him every couple hours, I'd get up and go check in with his wife or something. And we had a camera in the room with him. And we could watch what he was doing. and when I would walk out of the room, you'd give it a few minutes and you would see him start to look above him and he would be reaching like this for Steph above him.

59:59And like we didn't know what he was doing. We never even asked him. I wish I would have asked him like Mr. Donne, what are you seeing? Like what are you reaching for? Well then back when I would come back in the room with him he would stop doing it. And then toward the end there, he had a stroke. He was paralyzed. His whole left side of his body was paralyzed. And so he couldn't sit up or do anything. And then finally, at the very end, when he passed away, he literally sits up out of, he He sits up erect in his out of his hospital bed, reaches both of his hands straight up like this and then lays back down and departs the tent.

1:00:53Whoa. So I started researching this. What the crap is going on here? I gotta wish you asked him what he was reaching for. You watch, there are, I found this hospice nurse on Instagram. I don't remember her name. But she's posting all these videos of people doing this exact thing. And they're reaching for stuff and she's a hospice nurse. Did you save it? Do you have it on your phone? I don't have it. I don't remember. It's a, she's got a lot of following. She's got a big following. Just look at. Jamie will probably find it. or someone Instagram or whatever, but she posts all these videos of these people.

1:01:35Is this her? Oh, they're reaching. They're like calling out. I don't know if that's not her, but this is another one. That's not the one I watch. One of the death reach. It's a very common thing, and they're calling out a lot of times the names of loved ones that have passed before them. They're seeing something. Like, they're seeing into the other room. Oh, it's that lady on the far right over there. That's the one I watch. She's a little crazy, but I'm gonna go ahead and tell you she Puzzles out some wild stuff man. This is common stuff man. What's her name, Jimmy? It says below hospice nurse Penny.

1:02:16Penny. Weeks before their death when they're able to tell us what they're seeing when they're able to tell us about these visions They're almost always above them or up in the corner of the room But sometimes as they get closer to the end of life and they're no longer able to communicate we start seeing them Reach into the air so I'm convinced that when they are reaching into the air They're reaching towards those people who they love who have died before them That this woman's not a believer in as far as I know I don't think I don't know what her you know, what how her worldview is is in terms of what happens after this.

1:02:56But she's just sitting here showing you saying, hey, this happens. Yeah. We can't figure out why. We can't figure out what's going on. Obviously for me, when I see that happening, when Mr. Dawn sits up in the bed, even though he's literally paralyzed by a stroke, he sits in the same possibility. He sits up in his bed and reaches both hands in the air and then lays down and departs the tent. What do I, I have to believe that like his transportation had arrived. You know what I mean? And to witness that, how does that not like strengthen your witnessing something that's tangible? It's like, how does that not strengthen at least your faith that there is something coming after this?

1:03:56You know what I mean? There's so many stories and the thing is people have this arrogant assumption and this is a lot of based on academics and science and this on this belief that we have all the answers to to reality. When we don't even really understand consciousness, we don't. Consciousness is a massive mystery. So this idea that we've got it solved, and when I hear people say, when you die, that's it. It's over. Like, how do you know? You're just saying this. You're just saying this, that is as much of a belief system as any religion. This belief in something, the of no evidence of whatsoever, but there's so many anecdotal stories of people with near -death experiences, including Sebastian Younger.

1:04:44You know, he has, I've heard the name, brilliant journalist, he, the great author, he's written some incredible books. He did Restrepo, right? A documentary about the war, and just an amazing, interesting, very, very intelligent guy. And the last time he was on the podcast, he was telling us a story about, he had a medical emergency. Some sort of, it was like an artery burst, right, Jamie? Something inside of his abdomen, and he was bleeding out on the inside, and he was dying. And he got to the hospital and had this near -death experience that, like, very, very vivid experience, interacting with his father, like, just beyond anything that he would have ever comprehended and came back with a completely different perspective on life and death and like what this is and where that there is something else.

1:05:40There's something out there and people that have had near death experiences or died and been resuscitated, they come back with the same fucking story over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. It's not there's not a lot of variation. There's different interpretations of what they're seeing but it all fits within the same framework. It all fits within a framework that this is there's something there. Did you see the video of this kid? A couple of weeks ago? No. He's having a wild experience where he sees Jesus. He sees his dead father. Come on. He says it's beautiful.

1:06:12What, why is this kid? I miss my brother on my hair case. I think he was sick and he's coming out of surgery. I don't know the exact story on what was happening to him. How Jesus. This video goes on long. It's a 10 minute video, but. Whoa.

1:06:32I'm going to drain. He's dreaming. Yeah, he's dreaming. I'm going to see him into a different, he's seeing into the next realm. Yeah. Oh, that's how I shake it. Yeah. Well, you could dismiss that. You could dismiss that if you wanted to. Yeah, you can't, you can't. But look, man. And I don't even need all these signs and wonders. Like I don't even need all that, man. I mean, it's great when you get the opportunity to witness things like I got to witness with my friend Mr. Don and just see his faith and see that the word manifest power in him. Like, it's great when you get to see it, but you can get too carried away with all that stuff too.

1:07:13You know what I mean? It's like, I don't know, man. You know, I'm wondering, Joe, if the Almighty ain't calling you. Call me how on the phone? Calling you, man. What do you mean? And what way? I'm just wondering. I think a lot of people are wondering what the Almighty is doing, what he's working in you.

1:07:40See, scripture is dripping with something that's called election.

1:07:51A lot of people get mad about me talking about this, but this truth that we will never choose God, the Almighty. We will never choose to believe. As a matter of fact, Scripture actually says over and over again, the whole message of the cross is foolishness. is foolishness. I mean, seriously, some dude died on a cross. What does that represent to man? That represents weakness, that represents defeat, that represents death. You're gone. The message of the cross is foolishness to man. We will never choose to believe in the message of what we call the gospel. That is that Jesus Christ died on the cross according to the scriptures.

1:08:52He was buried and that he rose again by his own power. According to the scriptures, that's foolishness. And the only way that we can or will ever believe that, like truly place our faith in that and everything that's contained in that statement right there, because there's a lot there. You could literally spend the rest of your life meditating on that right there, the gospel, the what was done on the cross and by way of the resurrection of Christ. You would never get to the end of it. You would never comprehend everything. You would never search it to its bottom. You will never believe that. And the only way that you can believe that is if the Almighty in His grace basically makes you alive spiritually because these things are spiritually discerned.

1:09:52They're not logically discerned. They're foolishness to man. These things must be spiritually appraised. And so the Almighty by His grace makes you alive, literally spiritually alive, so that then you can discern the truth of not only the gospel, but everything, the totality of what is contained in Scripture. It's called the doctrine of election. And so when I say, I wonder if the Almighty's calling you. What I mean is I wonder if you are one of the Almighty's elect. Oh, boy. And if you are, you better hold on to your richest son.

1:10:46I oftentimes wonder what's going on and why me. Yeah, you you must man. Yeah, you must it doesn't make sense You must and I you know that's a personal thing man, and I don't I hope you don't take that as any disrespect No, it's just them for me Seeing it's odd how much we have in common Seeing what what a special human being you are Like it's exciting for me to be able to hope that the Almighty is indeed calling you. Like that's exciting, dude. Like literally, I prayed for you last night. Like I literally on your behalf, I begged the Almighty to basically make you alive, spiritually so that you could have discernment and be able to appraise these things that are inscripture that have seemed like foolishness for so long to you.

1:11:52You know what, they seem like foolishness to me for a long, long time, dude. What changed? We're talking about a bunch of wild stuff, man. Can I take you back while we're in the middle of this? I'd like to take you back to like how you got on this journey of being a podcaster and then to that. Because I want to know like what is the transition from the seals to becoming this guy's very outspoken on YouTube and starts putting these videos out and things get interesting and then you very very religious and Spreading that in your YouTube as well like how did this whole journey get started for you?

1:12:32Well, I had I But I decided I wanted to become a seal because I wasn't really good at anything else in life and I didn't want to go back to school and all that stuff. That's a long story. But I decided I wanted to do that. I finally went to join the Navy. They disqualified me, sent me back home after boot camp. Wouldn't let me go to Buds. Told me I never would be able to become a seal because I had a pericardial system on my heart, seven centimeter system on my heart. You can look it up research Navy SEAL Paracardial Sist you can read the whole medical journal. I'm the only one Came back home paid for my own heart surgery as a civilian showed back up in the Navy less than a year later Made it all the way through seal training and unscathed.

1:13:19So what they have to do they have to remove the cyst Yeah, they had to cut my chest open and take a big old cyst all my eyes The they have to open your ribs the whole deal from here to here also they go through the I peeled my pickup, peeled it up, cut my opening right there, went in there and took that system. How long did it take to recover from that? Took me about a year. I was back in the Navy about a year after that surgery. Uh, you know, but if it wouldn't have been for that, I wouldn't have made it through seal training, man. I didn't even know how to swim, dude. I even know how to swim.

1:13:49That's crazy. I was the most unlikely person to ever make it through seal training, okay? Hands down. Did you have any background in physical fitness? No. Nothing. Lord, no, I didn't mean it took me two or three months to pass a mile and a half run. Wow. Yeah. Made it through seal training all this and that good stuff. I had a very colorful career. Started off real good. Got real bad. I mean, I've been through it all. I've been in seal training at the end of our Buds prep phase. You know, I was awarded the hard charger award. You know, everybody selected me. The instructor cadre said, you're the one.

1:14:30That's going to make it. I was actually the only one to ever receive that award to make it through that training pipeline. Everyone else they had selected up into that point all quit. But they selected me not based on my physical abilities, but based on the fact that I had had a dang heart surgery just to have a chance to toe the line to try something that everybody quits anyways. So did you train for the seal training? Did you like give yourself enough time to get physically fit? After that heart surgery, when I went in the first time I could barely pass the physical standards test that I needed to pass to get the seal contract.

1:15:06If I would have went straight through and wouldn't have had that heart surgery, there's no way I would have made it. I wouldn't have been able to meet the physical standards once I actually got the bud. There's no way. But when I had that heart surgery, and then I finally got to where I could, you know, okay, man, I, at that point, I wanted it so bad because I had to go through all that. You see what I'm saying? I didn't want it that bad until I had to go through all that pain and fear and have my chest cut open and all this crap. But man, when I came out the other end of that, like I said, man, I was like a game rooster, man.

1:15:42It was like you look into the eye of a game rooster and he's got one burning hot desire. It's to fight. I mean, you a man appreciates combat sports. you ought to go watch a cock fight one day. I mean, that's what I had. I just had this burning hot desire for this thing. Nothing was going to stop me. Made it all the way through. Man, I had a lot of ups and downs in my time in the teams. That's a whole, that's a three hour long story, but we got plenty of time. Basically, man, I got to my seal team and they had slaughtered our entire team to cover down on Africa and a couple other European countries.

1:16:34And I got so pissed because I'm like, there's a war happening. Like, that's the reason I joined. Like, everybody that joined wants to go and fight in this war. And here now I'm wind up at this place that's, you know, not going to go where everybody wants to go. I got so hateful.

1:17:00And through the course of a couple of years, I just got involved in all manner of what I would call sin. All manner, drunkenness, sleeping around with women, hurting people on purpose. hateful, terrible person. I didn't love anybody. And the whole down, what the downfall of it is I was overseas. I was on a, and we had a range day. The night before I had went out and then just burned it down son. I had no business going to the range that day. I'm gonna go ahead and tell you but what do you do? You get up and got a range, right? I'm setting over on a range messing with my gun pretty out of it and I have a negligent discharge and the guy that standing beside me as my gunners mate and it barely skims him in the side of his leg.

1:18:03It was pointed down, thank God, pointed down. That happened and that was the thing that like stopped me in my tracks. Like holy crap Chad, if you keep going the way that you're going, you're gonna kill somebody. You know what I mean? I mean I was involved in all my inner sand, buddy. Stop me right there. I had to go through a try to interview board, a disciplinary review board, a captain's mask, the whole nine yards. Luckily, I had a good enough reputation up to that point that I had guys that vouched for me. Specifically, my C daddy, Jake Hubman. He wrote a whole long thing. Chad's done well.

1:18:50This is, you know, this and that. They presented that and the Navy let me stay in, keep my tribe in. Well, went back home, moved in with some lesbians. still continuing on this path or this just trajectory of just Ugliness just hatefulness, you know what I mean? But I had kind of started hiding it a little more, you know Well, I was at work. I was like okay, I'm about to go to work. I'm about to square myself away a little bit You know tell you how hateful I was this man Jake hubman my see daddy he He started struggling with alcoholism shortly after I had that big mistake. Well I got back in the platoon and they told us they said, well you know Jake's struggling with alcoholism, we're sending him off to this rehab program.

1:19:43They said just leave him alone. Well, remember I told you I can forget people exist. I just forgot he existed. a couple months later he killed his cell. That's what kind of friend I was. That's what kind of person I was. Here's this guy who, that's the kind of person that I still am sometimes today. What a, what, there's literally nothing good in me. I'm convinced of that. Here's this man who had poured so much into me, literally trained me up, taught me the ways of war. It's on account of his mentorship, probably that I was able to stay alive throughout the course of my career. and I just turned my back on him.

1:20:23When he was going through the hardest time of his life, he killed himself. I don't ever get to make that up. I just ignored him. That's the kind of, does this describe to you the type of person that I was? That's pretty bad, ain't it, brother? I mean, that's pretty bad. That's pretty ugly. Understandably selfish, given the circumstance. So I get back in the platoon, get ready, deploy again. I'm keeping my wickedness under control, you know, outwardly, but it's still all there, man. Well, we go up to Tunisia, North Africa, and Arabs attacked the embassy up there. When all that Benghazi and that stuff went down, I happened all over North Africa.

1:21:13So we went up there, re -secured the embassy. What came back, we left there and came back to Germany to re -jog our equipment because that mission was over in Tunisia, came back to Germany to re -jogging and we were going out to Nigeria. And while we were in Germany, the only way for me to tell you this in just simple terms is we were staying in a barracks that was inhabited by some sort of demon. And that was the genesis of my conversion, of me being made aware that, okay. So when you say it's inhabited by a demon, like in what way? So I was in there with a couple other guys. I wish I would have rode all this down.

1:22:06I was laying in bed one night in this place. There was nobody else in this building. It was just me and there were me and the guy in one room and two other guys in the room across the hall there. Well I'm laying in bed and all of a sudden I'm jolted away by something that hits my door. And I lay in bed for maybe 30 seconds and while I'm laying there listening, I can hear some strange voices echoing up and down the hall of this building that we're in. And so immediately I get up, open the door, walk out, nobody's out there, walk around, nobody's in the building, go in my buddies room beside me, they're both passed out, but But it scared me, dude.

1:23:01I was like, what on earth is this? It scared me. And these things would, like the oven would be turned on like these bumps and noises, But more than all of that, there became this oppressive feeling of like evil in this place. And the guys that I were with, that I was with in there, they started getting freaked out about it too. We called our senior chief who had been staying there before us. It was just like an old empty place that guys would come and stay in for a few nights before they left out. we call her senior chief, like, hey man, did you have any strange experiences in this place? He was like, oh yeah, yeah, there's something in there.

1:23:59And so, but like I remember walking into this place and I was, there was a stairwell, I would walk up the first flight of stairs, and then there would be a second flight that cut back and there was like a landing up there because we were staying on the second deck. And like I would, you know as a hunter, like how you have that sense when something is like staring at you, like you would, I would feel this thing staring at me up there on that landing. And I would fully expect to turn around and see some sort of something up there. And I never saw it in physical form. We started doing this research online about, you know, looking at these forms and stuff, about this place that we were, you know, in and finding all kinds of other stuff about, I'm like, well, whatever is going on here, I can't sleep at night.

1:24:52Like, I don't want to be in that place because it's literally scaring me that bad.

1:25:01And the sanity check was the dudes I was with were getting freaked out too. And like I wish I would have talked to them and written down the things that they were specifically experiencing. Do you remember any of them? So that I would, I spent so long ago, man, like the experience that I had was so powerful. Like that just is the one thing that sticks in my mind. But I remember the two guys across the hallway, one of them had to leave. They were going out to a different site. And that dude, the other dude was left in that room by himself. He moved across the hallway to stay in the room that me and my guy were we Because he didn't want to see him want to stay in that room by himself.

1:25:42And so I was literally at my wits end with this like I was so like I couldn't sleep it How long did stay there for this would have probably went on for about a week. Yeah, this probably would have went on for about a week We were there for maybe two weeks And so I called my little brother at my wit's end because again, I just told you the type of person that I was. I had no interest in spiritual matters. I didn't believe in demons or spiritual warfare or God or any of that, right? But I'm like, here and now I have encountered something that seems very real to me and and it's not in this realm.

1:26:31Here's some sort of entity that I don't know how to combat. I call my little brother, because I knew my little brother was a Christian. And I said, well, here's one of these Christians. They'll have a little bit of, maybe a little bit of insight on this spiritual stuff that might be going on here. He said, well, man, I said, I ain't ever ran into nothing like that. He said, I'm gonna put you in touch with my pastor of my local church here, they were real close. His name is James Cordell. James called me the next day and I told him, oh, it all was going on. Well, he acted like it was no big deal.

1:27:08I said, now, buddy, I said, you don't understand. I said, there's something in here. I don't know what it is. He said, I ain't no big deal. He said, put me on speaker phone. He said, I'm He said walk around this building up and down the hallways and he said I'm going to pray. And I put him on speakerphone. I'm walking around this building up down the hallways in my room. He's praying against this thing in the name of Jesus Christ. He says all right now we had a little kitchenette there. He said you have some olive oil in there. I said yeah we got a bottle. he said, take just a little dab of that olive oil and just dab it on the top of your door frame there.

1:27:54So I did it. Joe, I'm thinking the whole time this is so stupid. But what else do I do in this situation? Let's try this, right? Let's just give this a shot. Right. And I dab that little olive oil up there and we get off the phone. We want, I leave, go to work. We come back that evening, wind down, total like peace had returned to this place. Like I didn't no longer heard or felt or was experiencing any sort of fear or anything. Like it all was gone. Like all the sudden it was just like, oh, okay now I'm just in another little barracks room here. like to the other guys feel the same way. So this was funny.

1:28:46Wait, I didn't tell the other guys that I did that. And cause they were all gone when I walked around with this crazy man on speaker phone. And there's embarrassing. I mean, in a certain sense, it's still embarrassing to tell that story today. Again, this is foolishness, man. Like you're asking me to tell this story on this platform, like this, it's hard, you know what I mean? Cause who's gonna believe this? It's like, but I don't care. I'm just telling you what I remember that experience as and it impacted me so much that it changed the trajectory of my entire life. And the next morning we woke up and my buddy woke up and the room, he said, what's all over the door?

1:29:31And I looked up and that little dab of olive oil had somehow like dripped down and covered the entire door of the room that we were staying in. And you could see it toward the bottom of the door, like the drips, like the whole door was like shiny. And he said, what's all over the door? And I said, don't worry about it, man. I don't know what the crap that is. Cause I was so embarrassed to tell him that I had done that. But it was just a dab of all. It was just literally a dab of olive. I don't even know where that fits in to the whole experience. I don't even know where or how that fits in. I don't even know what this thing was or why this thing would have been attached to a place.

1:30:23Like I don't understand that man. I don't, and I'm, again, I'm not like big on this whole spiritual warfare thing. But after that happened, all that happened. No more nothing in this place. I said, I have got to get my hands on a, on scripture and figure out more about this figure, Jesus, who I heard this man praying in the name of, right? because obviously there was some power like being wielded there by the name of Jesus in prayer. And so I did. I got my hands on a Bible. I started reading the book of Matthew. I began my again through this, this was obviously the experience that the Almighty had chosen to call me out of darkness into the marvelous light of his truth.

1:31:26Open the Bible. I had seen the Bible before. I had heard it read. I had even read it before in the past, but it was never anything that meant anything. I couldn't understand it. You know what I mean? What the crap is just trying to say to me here? Right. I began to read in the book of Matthew and I began to, well, for the first time in my life, if I realized how all of that applied to me as the hopeless wicked, ugly, depraved human being that I, like my mind was awakened to my own state. Like I didn't realize how ugly and depraved I was. Like when I let my, when I passed up on my friend and he killed herself, like I didn't think nothing of that, I just had this revelation of who I was and why I so needed something to save me from that.

1:32:40And when I had that revelation literally by the grace of God opening my, making me spiritually spiritually alive, able to discern the scriptures. When I had that revelation, I read about Jesus, his life, his death, why he died according to the scriptures, his resurrection, what that means for me.

1:33:11I, it changed everything. Like literally I was made a new creature overnight. overnight. It's the greatest miracle that God, the Almighty, could ever work, is taking somebody like me who was literally so useless, making me alive, making me a brand new creature, waking up the next day and being completely changed in how I see the world, how I see myself, how I see the words on these pages, how I see the creator of the cosmos. That's a miracle. Like nothing else that I have experienced in life produce that amount of change nearly instantaneously. And I'll never get walking down into the little platoon hut like the next day after having this revelation of the gospel and what it means for me and who I am.

1:34:27And like, dude, I didn't. It's crazy, man. It literally changed my desires. Like that, that's the miracle, right? Like how do you change your desire? How do you internally change your desires? Like I didn't, I had no appetite for pornography anymore. I had no appetite for the foul language that I used. Like I had no appetite for gossip. Like, overnight. Literally overnight, like my literal desires were changed. And that was the ultimately more so, the more so than the whole thing that was going on in the barracks and the guys saying the prayer and this thing leaving. Like that experience of being made a new creature and the realization of what on earth just has happened to me, that was the thing, and is the thing that I cling to so tightly.

1:35:41Like, nothing else could have produced that type of change in me, but the grace of God and the revelation that He's given me of who I am and who He is. And then as you go, this has been from then to now just a long and arduous sometimes, sometimes joyful, but process of sanctification essentially. One of the things that I pray most often is for the Holy Spirit to conform me into the likeness and image of Jesus Christ at all cost. At all cost. Well, first time I prayed that, that was hard to pray, man. You read about Jesus and Isaiah 53. What does it say about Him? He was a man of sorrow well acquainted with grief.

1:36:49Come for me into the image of Christ. And that process of sanctification is ongoing. My understanding of the Scriptures is ongoing and progressive even still to this day and hopefully to the very day that I depart this tent. It's everything to me, man. Like it's, no, no, no, no, no, it's literally everything to me.

1:37:19Some people say, well, Chad doesn't sometimes, don't you have moments of doubt? Well, yeah, I'd be a liar. Think about what I believe. Yeah. Sometimes don't you have moments of that? Yeah, I have moments of doubt sometimes. Yeah, for sure, man. But what I realize is that if I could possibly depart from this faith that I have in the Almighty, if I could possibly even depart from that faith, what would I have? I don't have nothing. Like what's the point? This is the fascinating aspect of this that an atheist needs to take into consideration. What you're talking about had a real result. This belief in faith has had a real transformative result on you as a human being.

1:38:26Now, if there was nothing to this, it is all nonsense. And there was a method that you could use, just some sort of a way of viewing the world. That would instantaneously change the way you see yourself and see everything. Wouldn't that method be explored? And wouldn't that be taught? like if this is the thing that brought you to who you are now, that's a real thing. Regardless of whether or not anybody wants to believe in Jesus Christ or believe in the resurrection or believe in the gospels, it works. Like that's the thing about Christians, like real Christians, and I've been very fortunate to meet a bunch of them.

1:39:19I had a weird journey in religion myself because I went to Catholic school when I was in first grade and it kind of ruined me. They were horrible. Yeah. This nun, sister Mary Josephine, I don't remember anybody from when I was six years old, but I remember that bitch. She was so fucking mean, man. And just the experience, the way they treated children, There was so fear -based and I was like, this is not God. God is not the thing to do. This is people. Man's is people. And it kind of set a tone for my life where I dismissed any notions that there was some sort of truth in these religions. But the more I've explored not just Christianity, but many different religions.

1:40:12People are trying to document a truth. And it's very hard to decipher through the tongue of man. It's very hard to decide when human beings write things down and human beings give statements on things, you have to always take into consideration human nature. Human beings are not that accurate in how they depict things. And then you have the problem with translations. True, brother. You have the problem with it going from ancient Hebrew to Latin and Greek and to all these different languages and then you have the problem with spiritual narcissism. So you have the people that are the conveyors of the message who take on these powers themselves that are above normal men and control people.

1:40:53But before Martin Luther came around and made a phonetic version of the Bible, there's very few people could read and very few people could read Latin. They didn't know what it said. So you had to rely on the priest to tell you everything. when people started being able to translate these things into different languages. It's wonderful, but also something's probably missing. You know, my friend Rick Strossman, he's a scholar. He's the guy who wrote that book, the DMT The Spirit Molecule. He did these slow drip studies, these FDA approved studies on DMT with people with patients. I'm very interested in that.

1:41:35He's a fascinating guy. Well, he learned ancient Hebrew just so that he could read the Bible in its native tongue. And it took him 16 years to do that. I believe it. Yeah, he's a fascinating guy. I think they were trying, they were writing something down. One of the things that I learned from Wes Hough, Wes Lee Hough, who's a biblical scholar, who's been on the podcast, He told me that the book of Isaiah, when they found a version of it in the Dead Sea Scrolls, that is identical, word to word, for a version of it that they found a thousand years later. That's pretty miraculous. A thousand years.

1:42:19Not only that, but what about the content of Isaiah? What about Isaiah 53 as it describes the suffering servant, how it literally outlines the life and death of Jesus Christ and it was written what 400 years before the crucifixion, like even the content of Isaiah, not only the accuracy of the translation and the accuracy over that span of time when you compare copies, but even the content of it. How did this prophet write this thing about this person and it was fulfilled perfectly, literally to a T by the person of Jesus Christ hundreds of years later? Oh, it's crazy. So, and by the way, man, like, I'm not telling you or anyone listening to this, this, what we call testimony, testimony, like what the Lord's given me experientially in life to share with other people.

1:43:24I'm not telling you this to convince you of anything. There's nothing that I can say to convince you in the truth of the gospel. Like I truly believe that. There's no words that I can use. There's no logic that I can apply. there's nothing that I or anyone else can say to convince you of this. And it goes back to what we started off in the conversation with of these things must be spiritually discerned and it is by grace, God's grace, that we are made alive and able to discern the truth of these things. That's a hard, that's a hard thing to accept man. Like that man is totally depraved and I can't say anything took an event, anyone, of the truth of these scriptures.

1:44:21But the scriptures are dripping, literally dripping with that very fact. That's the interesting thing about the scriptures. They leave nothing for man. It's almost the single thing that separates what's contained in the holy scriptures from other religious philosophy. it literally leaves nothing for man. What do you mean by that? Meaning there is nothing that you can do to be made righteous in the eyes of the Creator. There is nothing that you can do to save yourself. As a matter of fact, without the grace and the help of the Almighty, you can't even believe the truth. You won't, you won't do it.

1:45:16You are spiritually dead prior to regeneration. You said, I'm saying it when you're dead, if we had a dead man land on the floor right here, and I said, dead man, harkin unto my voice, there There is a hospital, a mile down the road. And if you'll get up and walk to that hospital or you'll allow me to take you to that hospital, they'll shock you and bring you back to life. Is he going to respond to that message? He's going to lay there dead, right?

1:45:59We're dead spiritually until we're made alive by the grace of the Almighty. it leaves nothing for man. Not a thread. It leaves me not a single thread that I can cling to.

1:46:19And then you look at the whole saga of Scripture. Well, what's this all about anyway? Let's take it all the way back to Genesis, all the way through Revelation and everything in between. The whole saga is to glorify the Son, Jesus Christ. What's the purpose in me even being saved? It's so that I can be presented to Christ as His bride. We do remember them. We, God's people, are the whole purpose of our existence is for us to be presented to Jesus Christ as His own people who will glorify Him for all of eternity. It's to glorify the Son, the whole saga that was determined by the sovereign and immutable will of the Father.

1:47:30It can be changed. The whole saga, the only purpose of it all is to present and to present this. I can't say this word real well, peculiar

1:47:43people to the sun as a bride and offering to glorify the sun for all of eternity.

1:47:55The this Christ. It's the only purpose for me even being saved. And you convince of this. Well, I think that I'm not convinced of this because that's what I want to believe. Like I'm convinced of this because I'm convinced of the truth of the Holy Scriptures and again the entire, when you look at the thing from a 30 ,000 -foot view, I'm convinced of that not because why would I want to believe that?

1:48:40Why would I want to, if I wrote this story, would it not give me something to cling to? would it not, if I wrote the story, would it not give me some other purpose than just being offered up as a bride to the glorification of the Son? Jesus Christ, like, if I wrote that story, wouldn't I write it differently than that? Because I'm man, right? I would leave myself something to cling to. Surely this salvation means something more than just that I am part of this special people now being offered up as a bride to Christ. Surely there's something that I can do in this life, a choice that I can make to believe in this.

1:49:35like surely I have the power to make that choice. But if I had the power to make the choice to believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, in and of myself, then that salvation would be coming from me. You said I'm saying, when you realize you don't even have the power of choice in you, you you are dead, you will not choose it. When you realize you don't even have the power of choice. So you believe it has to be that this wisdom has to enter you somehow. You are entered by what scripture calls the Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of God who who comes and dwells in you, and that is the entity that makes you spiritually alive and gives you the ability to appraise the scriptures, essentially spiritual things, because before that it's foolishness.

1:50:38Have you ever paid any attention to the shroud of turn? Have you ever looked into it at all? I've just seen it pop up, you know, as I scroll through. Well they used to dismiss it, because they used to say they did a carbon date on it and it was only 500 years old. But they've since made some revisions to that and there's a lot of people that believe because of the wear of the cloth, the age of the cloth, and I think they've done subsequent tests that place it around 2000 years old, which is really fascinating. The other thing that's fascinating is they didn't even know what the image Completely was until someone took photographs of it and then looked at the negatives and in the negatives Then you get this image of Jesus not just Jesus, but with the the the scars and the markings on his back The the part of his body where his pierced the piercings on the wrists And they really do believe that this thing is 2000 years old.

1:51:40The other thing that's strange is they have no explanation as to how that image was created. They think that image was created somehow from some sort of a burst of energy. It's not stained, it's not dyed, and it's not something that's easily reproduced, especially if you think about the timeline. If this is supposedly a forgery, like how would they make an image that would only show up in a negative and what would be the motivation to fake this in this manner. See if you can get some photos of what it looks like Jamie. You know what I love about what you're saying Joe? It's so amazing how they Almighty works and each of us differently.

1:52:23Like look at this. This is this image. If you see the original, see the originals to the left. Like they didn't you know they saw that and they're like, huh, what is this? But once you look at it with the negative show the negative again the black and white Once you see the negative of it, so you make that larger then it starts getting very strange Because you you look at the the piercings on the wrist and there's these Blood stains in these areas It's very strange. Wow, and it's a very large piece of cloth. I think it's I think it wrapped his entire body and so it was like seven feet long and then they folded it So it's his back and his front so he was inside of this thing and This is the image.

1:53:14I think it was debunked recently. Was it debunked again? I think so what they say now I remember seeing something about it They found some sort of processes that have been around for a few hundred years That do some sort of this like negative transfer But did they know that 2000 years ago? I think the carbon dating has been read readjusted to oh really what are they saying now? I mean I typed in debunked. I was looking through a few articles see there's people that believe this people that don't believe and it gets weird It gets weird because there's a lot of people that want to debunk things a new research shows the carbon dating of the shroud is fake Findings that it was the carbon dating that was fake not the shroud This is central conclusion.

1:53:56There's a few articles about it being fake, but again, I don't know if they're 100 % like this is fake or if they're just haters, you know. Right. You know what's interesting to me about the body of Christ, the physical body, like it's being transposed onto that shroud, whether it's real or not? Have you ever thought about this? If you think about going back to talking about death and why do we have to die? Why is it a necessity for all humans? Well, the scripture tells us that for human, the reason that we must die is because of sin, right? That started with the very first sin of man and woman in the very beginning, right?

1:54:43Because scripture tells us that man was created to exist eternally in the beginning, the human physical form. But when man sinned, a lot of things happened. Death, that's the moment. Scripturally, that's when death entered the equation. So this sin is a big problem. Like that is the genesis of death entering the equation and becoming a reality for all men. I wonder a lot what happened when that sin Caused death in man. It's almost like it changed man's genetic Makeup it's almost like man was created in the beginning to exist in a physical body eternally meaning he had perfect perfect genetics, right?

1:55:43He could exist nothing decayed, he could continue on for all eternity. He also had the ability to be in the presence of the Almighty. In some way, the human brain could interact with the Almighty. But when sin under the equation, it's It's almost like man's genetic code was marred and death entered the equation and we began to age. And it even when I think about it along those lines, it's totally theoretical, by the way. That's how we inherit our sinful nature is because the result of sin actually changed the genetic makeup of the of man's physical body and therefore by necessity he now has to die because he ages and also we lost our ability to perceive the Almighty and to actually converse with him in a some we lost something in our brain.

1:56:48Right? That's why I wonder about that DMT stuff. We lost like we lost some something in our brain that originally allowed us to see into this other realm and converse with this Almighty being, we lost the ability to do that because of sin. Which brings me to the body of Christ, the interesting thing about the body, physical body of Jesus Christ. He was the only man according to Scripture who ever fulfilled the law of God completely and perfectly. which means his physical body, his literal physical body, was not affected by sin, which is the thing that is causing all of us to die by necessity. And I just wonder if that physical body, if the body of Christ, if Christ would have grown to maturity, which he did, which was about when he started his ministry, was full adult maturity.

1:57:52I wonder if he would not have been crucified, if he could have lived in that physical body forever. If the aging process would have stopped and he would have never had to die, because the effects of sin were not upon him. The curse was not upon him. And it makes me think about that body because they took his body off the cross, laid it in the tomb. When we die, our bodies begin to go through decay very quickly. You've seen that killing animals. You kill something within a few hours. It starts to get kind of blowed up, stiff as a board. After about a day, it stinks all nasty. He died. They put him in that tomb.

1:58:41He was there for three days. That body didn't decay. The spirit then re -entered that same body. And that body, that same body rose up and eventually ascended into heaven. He took that body with him into this other realm. It just makes me wonder like what the human body was like in the beginning when we were created perfectly with this mental ability to interact with this other realm, converse with the Almighty, the absence of sin. In other words, our genetics were perfect. The human body was perfect. It would not die. So this is if you're taking the Old Testament absolutely and literally. And if you do that, what do you think about evolution?

1:59:44That's a great... What do you think about... I've been thinking about evolution a little bit here lately. The various forms of humans that have been detected, including recently, Dennis Ovens. What was that one? Julie ends. What's that one? The giant, huge, headed people. They didn't even know how big they were. They think they were quite a bit larger than us. They found multiple types of humans. Obviously, Neanderthals. But well, if you can't tell by now, I like to think about things. Oh, I did. It's fun. It's fun. You know what I mean? Like the whole thing I just talked about was like totally theoretical.

2:00:20Like, I can't prove any of that. But when I think about evolution. One of the first things that's striking to me is how on earth, well, first of all consciousness is a big problem. You mentioned that earlier. But how on earth did we, as the beings that we are, or we could take any being on earth and use it as an example? Yeah, how do we go through how many millions or do some say billions of Life of years not Evolutions, but for life. Yeah, what is life? What did how long ago to life first appear on earth? So I think single -celled organisms. It's like net now three billion years now what I'm about to do here So I'm about to apply some country boy logic here, Joe Here it goes.

2:01:14Was it say 3 .5 billion years? 3 .5 billion years from life to what we are as beings now. Now look, are you ready for this country boy logic? I love you here. How on earth did we go through 3 .5 billion years of evolution and being shaped by our environment. And here we are after 3 .5 billion years and we can't stay around for more than about 75 years and everything around us can kill us. Like if I think about, again, country or logic here, if I think a 3 .5 billion year long process of an organism being shaped by its environment, I would like to hope it would produce something a little better than what we are today.

2:02:16What it's produces, pretty fucking extraordinary comparison to all the other animals. In human. In human. In humans. Yeah. Nothing is even close. But how I mean you have to think of how long humans have been around in this form, at least according to science, they believe it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 to 500 ,000 years based on the fossil evidence. It could go further or back, probably go further back eventually. They'll probably figure it's like six or seven, but there's a timeline. There's a timeline when homosapiens existed and when they didn't exist before. And then there's a bunch of different forms of human.

2:02:52There's a bunch of different hominids, a different bunch of, there's, you know, there's Neanderthal, Chromagnen, there's a ton of them. So what we've been able to achieve in this very relatively speaking, when you think about 3 .5 billion, which is a number that you can't really comprehend. You say it, but it's too big. It's too big to really wrap your head around. Think about the behavior characteristics that you can breed into your dogs in a short period of time. Now, I am, I am, I heartily agree and believe in adaptation. Yeah. Heartily agree in different forms, drastically different forms of human.

2:03:34Well, look at just dogs. Just look at dogs. Your dog came from a wolf. Okay. I have two dogs. I have a golden retriever and I have a spaniel. This little puppy that we just got. And both of them also descended from wolves. and it's ridiculous. They have zero killer instinct other than squirrels by dog marshal who kill squirrels but and turtles but he's not a wolf. He's some sort of a new thing that we've created through selection and breeding and over time. It's a totally different animal just like we are. We are a totally different animal than the undertowl, a totally different animal to ancient man, we're just different.

2:04:20We're different and so on. Especially if you go way back to Australia, Pithecene, all these different animals that are different hominids that were very primitive, much more ape -like than us, there's a path, you could see it. There's a lot of mysteries. The big one is the doubling of the human brain over a period of two million years. That's a crazy one. One of the things that I I always wonder when you're reading particularly the really old text, when it gets into like the Dead Sea Scrolls and it gets into the old testament and even stuff that's before that. It's like, what were they trying to remember?

2:04:57Because you got to remember, before this stuff was even written down, it was an oral history for about a thousand years. What was the original story? And that's where I think the truth is. I think there's truth. I don't think these people were making up myths and fairy tales. I think that's a silly way to think about it. I think it's much more likely that some immense events had happened over the course of human history. And these people were trying to document it with whatever limited ability to express themselves that they had at the time. There's something there. It's just the problem I always have with all religions is man.

2:05:39The tongue of man is human beings and our desire to... We use hyperbole, we exaggerate, we change times, we change... We write things that make ourselves look better than we should. History is written by the winners. It's very difficult to know. like what was the genesis of it? What was the original thing that they were trying to write down? But I think there's truth in the original thing. Man, you're headed in the right direction, Joe. When you said the problem you always have is with a man. Yes. Man is indeed the problem, my friend. Yes. You are headed down the right path, man. Well, we are the problem, but we are also seeking solutions.

2:06:24People like you, people like me, people that want to be better people, and there's a lot of people out there that are listening to this. people that want a better world, they want a better society, and they recognize that there's certain things that you can do both to change your life and to inspire others. Like, there's a reason for those instincts. They're not necessarily even self -serving. A lot of them are community -serving, and that's in a way self -serving because the more healthier community is the better you'll feel, the better your life will be. There's reward systems that are built into our tribal nature.

2:07:03And there's a lot of good to that. And I think, like I said before, if you do follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, you will have a better life. If you believe it, you will, and you live by, you will have a better life. But there's that weird jump that you have to make, right? There's the weird jump where you have to abandon this critical thinking and logical mind and accept that there's an extreme value in living this way. And it hasn't been around for all these years by accident. And I really do believe that at the origins and I just we all wish we could know. We could hear it. Like that's the frustrating thing about it.

2:07:56This is all really the word of God. Like, hey, come back and give us a refresher course. How about you know, like maybe we're not bad. We just need to know. What you know, I'll tell you what Joe, I should just let you talk the whole dang podcast, man, because you are so good at just summing stuff up it and getting to the root of questions and things, and you know, like, you know, you talked about that whole, that transition from just like living it out to have a better life to all of a sudden, like placing your entire hope in this message of the gospel. Like, that's that transition that I was talking about that, you can't choose, you know what I mean?

2:08:37Like, so you're summarizing all of this so well, man, And it's interesting to me too that, you know, the Almighty has these plans for each of us, His sons and daughters, and he leads us each along this path to the ultimate revelation that we are searching for. But every path looks different. And it's so interesting to me to get to hear you speak this way because he led me along this path that involved this spiritual warfare. What was I? That was a warrior. Like I understood warfare. I understood encountering an enemy. And that's the story I told you. He kind of led me to this ultimate revelation and to this regeneration along the lines of that.

2:09:36I have is leading you along this path, specifically the way you're experiencing it, because that's how your mind works, man. Like you're a master. You are intelligent, you understand things, you want things to be somewhat logical and orderly. And you know, like the shroud of turn thing, or any of these other artifacts, or the Dead Sea Scrolls or something like that. Like I can do without knowing about all that and be just fine. But according to the way the Almighty made you, maybe you can't do without all that stuff and be just fine. Cause you're different than me. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I want you, man, it sounds so weird cause I don't need, we just met.

2:10:29But like, I want you man to be confident in the direction that you're going with the questions that you ask and the way that you search. Because that's beautiful, man. Well, thank you. Yeah. It's beautiful. I'm blessed with the time. I'm blessed with the time to ponder things. Yeah. It is a very big blessing, man. It is. Because if you're too busy and your life is too overwhelmed with obligations and I have a lot of them. But fortunately for me, a lot of my job gives me time, gives me time to think. A lot of what I do and a lot of these conversations give me time to think and talking to different people with different perspectives, different life experiences and what they're trying to figure out.

2:11:18Cause we're all trying to figure out, like what is the purpose of this? Like what am I doing here? And some of the most miserable, anxiety -ridden people that I know have no belief system. Some of the most miserable anxiety -driven people that I know are atheists. And some of the most angry and bitter and attacking and condescending and atheists. And also Christian. Yeah, well there's a lot of Christians that way too. Yeah, there's a lot of Muslims that way, there's a lot of Buddhists that way, there's a lot of people that are full shit and that's you know that's with everything like with that you can get a good plumber you can get a terrible plumber you know and it's just how human beings vary considerably.

2:12:03There's a philosopher that Martin Luther quotes in his book The Bondage of the Will and he this philosopher says you can make anything out of anything and he's talking about scripture. You can take the holy scriptures and And you can make anything out of them that you want to make out of them. If you want to interpret it in the different way. You can make anything out of anything. And that's where we have these issues. People love to point out the hypocrisy in the body of Christ, the visible church, Christians, people who proclaim to be Christians, the hypocrisy of Christians. and I would agree with you 100%, there is a lot of hypocrisy, and a lot of what the visible church does is makes what they want to make out of the scriptures in order to control people.

2:13:05I mean, that has, that's like, for sure. Huge, man. And there's also the issue of megapasters. Yeah. When you think about a rock star, you think about someone who's selling out in arena, right? You think about the preacher, you think about like a Joel Oalstein type character. Unfortunately, because they're more popular than any of the other ones. And so that becomes, that's a far, it's on the far spectrum, a fringe figure. Yeah. You know, Rolls Royces, Private Jets, Expensive Suits, all of it's fucked. None of it makes any sense. None of it seems remotely Christian, right? to a mass billions of dollars in enormous plots of land and have huge houses and you're flying around in a $65 million planes.

2:13:54Dude, you're a comedian, you gotta watch this dude, and I'm Jesse DePlanthus. Is he a comic? Oh no, he's like a mega preacher, but dude. You just gotta watch videos of this dude. I put it on, is he off the charts? Oh my gosh. You know, that's how Kinnison started. One of the greatest comedians of another grace of all time. Sam Kinnison started out as a tent preacher. Well, you know, when people like to point out the hypocrisy of Christians, like, I get what you're saying, man, like, and how religion is used to control people. You can make anything out of anything. But here's the thing. Here's, here's how I would respond to you as a Christian.

2:14:35Yes, you are right. I am a hypocrite. I am a liar. I am a cheater. Now, I'm not really a thief per say. I don't steal. I covet people the things that they have, the things of this world. I hate, I do all all of those things. That's the point. Like in that realization of who I am, it's that revelation is the foundation of my clinging to Christ. Right. I see what you're saying. Like clinging to do, I want to do those things. No, I don't want to do those things. But there is something in me. There is a remnant in me

2:15:37that leads me to do things that I don't want to do. And the things that I want to do, I don't actually do. Now, not 100 % of the time. Like, that's not my desire. but when I actually, when I do those things now, the difference is my response to them. So like, I told you how wicked I used to be. Well, you know, used to be, if I had an argument with my wife, you know, maybe I was rushing out the door and I would, maybe I yelled at my wife, and I went out and got my truck and went to work. The rest of the day, I would be justifying my yelling yelling at my wife. She deserved to be yelled at. Screw her, man.

2:16:26Like she's in the wrong. Now when I do those things, I yell at my wife, I walk out the door, it's the same thing that I did before, but I do it now and I get in my car and it crushes me, dude. Like I can't believe I just did the thing that I know I don't want to do. but I did it anyways. It's my response to those things. The most, I think, accurate way or picture to describe this. Remember I told you I woke up the next day and like my desires had changed?

2:17:09The most accurate way I've heard this described is, if you had two plates of food, you know, you had a plate of the finest food and then you had a bucket of garbage. You turn a pig loose into the room. The pig is going to go and stick his head in that bucket of garbage and eat that garbage. Before he eats the food off of that fine plate, because he likes the smell of garbage. He's attracted to the taste and the smell of that, we have pigs at the house, like this, what he would do. He would go eat the garbage before he ate the good stuff. And so that pig he's eating that garbage and there's this good stuff right here next to him and he didn't even he's not even ashamed that he's eating that garbage because he's a pig.

2:17:59If you had the power to snap your fingers and to turn that pig into a man, that man would then lift his head up out of that garbage and he would look around him and he would be ashamed that he had been eating that garbage and he would depart from that garbage and go to the finer food. Right? Yeah. That's what he would do. That's the transition that I tried to describe to you earlier how I've changed overnight, it was like, I no longer desired garbage. More than I desired, the fine things that the Lord has offered to me. My desires changed, right? I see what you're saying. But we still go back.

2:18:55Like, there's a remnant of that pig in us. And every now and then we want to go back and eat that garbage, but we're ashamed. We don't want anybody to see us and we're ashamed and it upsets our stomach and We respond to it differently and that's That's kind of the change and tying this all back into well. Why don't why aren't Christians? Perfect they say there's they they preach all this stuff The as a preacher or as a teacher the closer you preach the true literal word of Scripture in terms of standards, the closer you get to that standard that's portrayed by Scripture, the more of a hypocrite you are going to become because you can't meet it.

2:19:49Hmm. So, what you're saying, though, this is what I was getting at. What you're saying is one of the best examples of the power of being a Christian. What I'm talking about is the general perception of people on the outside that don't really maybe hang out mostly in secular circles. maybe they have a bunch of friends that are atheists and they see religion as this big scam. Yeah. And because the most popular versions of religion for a long time is televised religion. You know, that's when you think about people's exposure that aren't religious to religion, what do they hear about scandals? They hear about, you know, the pedophilia in the Catholic church.

2:20:40they hear about money that's being inappropriately spent and so the versions that they get are like, oh, this is just bullshit to control people. Yeah. And they don't hear enough about like genuine transformation stories and like why this is valuable and why it's also valuable to intelligent people Because this has always been this, is a misconception or at least a narrative that's pushed out, that it's for dull -minded people. It's for dull -minded people that can't make sense of the world. It's too much confusion to them, so they need a structure. Which is totally an alignment with the whole truth that this cross thing is foolishness.

2:21:31Like, I understand that. Right. I mean, well the fact that you do makes it much more palatable for people to is you were saying makes more sense to people because like okay he's addressing these feelings that I have too. Yeah I mean you read and I think it's first Corinthians chapter two the Apostle Paul is writing like hey I didn't come to you with these wise words like trying to convince you of anything I simply have preached to you this gospel and notice that not many of you who are considered wise, like we're able to believe this because it's literally foolishness until you're made alive. And it was, it's funny, it was by the Almighty's sovereign immutable will that he chose the cross as to be the story of redemption for a man, it's funny that he chose the cross, and he did it for his own good pleasure.

2:22:40He chose to destroy the wisdom of man by a message that is seemingly foolish. It's so backwards. He chose to destroy man's wisdom. Our natural man's wisdom, right? All the great things that man has done and known and discovered. He chose to destroy all of that by this foolish message of the cross for his own good pleasure because man in his wisdom did not know God when he came here in the body in the person of Jesus Christ. They actually killed him. He said, I'm going to destroy y 'all's natural wisdom with this message of foolishness. It's kind of comedic. It is. So if it really did happen, it's the most bizarre way to get a message across.

2:23:40It's the most bizarre way that you could ever, like literally even imagine, man. Now, imagine you trying to explain to people your experiences with whatever you encountered in those barracks. People here are like, it's the problem with unique experiences that are completely outside of the norm. Well, what's more outside of the norm than the resurrection of Jesus Christ or Jesus Christ being actually the Son of God? Imagine trying to explain that to people. They're like, what are you talking about? There's this guy's name is Jesus like shut the fuck up Would you in a multi -level marketing scheme like what are you talking about man?

2:24:19It's guy want money from you Like what is this guy's guy fucking your wife like what's going on? No? No? No? No, man. It's not like that like okay Right right, but if it really is true you would be stuck You'd be stuck with this story and you can't leave that part out No, you're you're commanded to tell the entire story So you have this conundrum, right? This is part it's gonna sound crazy, but You summed it up well job Summed it up well the most fascinating thing of it, but I always tell people Look all that look at it, but also know that if you live that way and if you believe that and if you follow those teachings You will have a better life.

2:25:05There's something to it. There's a reason why people have been doing it is reason why true Christians are some of the nicest, most compassionate, friendliest, charitable people that you'll ever meet. There's something to it. There's something to it. There's an origin of it all. There's truth in the origin of it all. It's just trying to figure out what it means. And then the translations, even the translations in English that you're reading, the way they communicate is so different than the way we communicate today. So you have to realize like the evolution of human discourse over thousands of years the way we phrase things the way we describe things the way we talk about things is all very different.

2:25:49So you have to get scholars who understand the original way they talked about these things and what what what did what why did they say a phrase this way what is the meaning of this? Isn't it so good that we have men that have dedicated, men and women who have dedicated their entire lives to that just. You follow that Wesley Houghcock? Oh yeah. Yeah, he's fantastic. I do, man. I'm so thankful for men like him. RC Spurl is one that I love to read his stuff. He's passed now. Martin Luther, of course, is another one. But I mean, because you think about me, like, what do I spend a day reading scripture?

2:26:29Two hours a day, maybe? sometimes three. Like I'm never going to become the expert. Right. You know, you spend an hour or day or two hours a day doing anything. Yeah. You're never going to become the expert. No, you'll be proficient. Yeah, you'll be able to kind of know your way around it. But the stuff that you're talking about knowing, which is stuff worth knowing, you know, that's the meat that we can consume. Also, when you're talking about the Old Testament and the New Testament, you put the two of them together, you're dealing with thousands of pages. thousands of pages of very confusing scripture, or some of it you're reading, you have to read it three or four times and you just gotta go, okay, what exactly is he trying to say here?

2:27:13Because you have to figure out how it fits with the rest of it. Yes. Because you can read it in a way and you're like, this is contradictory. victory. If Scripture is contradictory, it is not from God. It cannot, by nature of what we know about the nature of the Almighty, what's revealed in Scripture to us just about his nature, his attributes, right? It's one of my favorite things to study, the attributes of the Almighty, which we cannot even begin to grasp the fullness of it, but some of his attributes have been revealed to us. And so if that is his word, it cannot contradict itself. Because that would go against what we know of as who he is.

2:28:09You know, yeah. But yeah, sometimes it does. seemingly. Yeah, seemingly. And again, this is probably the interpretation of man. You know, and this is where it gets problematic. I mean, it is ultimately fascinating that you have something like the book of Isaiah where they found an older version that they didn't even know existed. It turns it to be a thousand years older and it's verbatim. Fascinating, right? It is. But before that got written down, they talked about it for a long time, a long time, and so few people could write things down and so few people could read. That's where it gets weird.

2:28:54But I think ultimately behind it all, they're trying to tell a story. They're trying to tell a fantastic story. And I think ultimately too, I think something that you could add to that, Joe, is if what I'm saying is correct in terms of what I believe about Scripture, ultimately there has also to be some divine influence over the preservation of those Scriptures. It's the only way, right? It would be the only way for the scriptures in their original language to be truly the word of the Almighty to man the complete revelation of the Almighty to man Like there has to be some divine influence For that to happen, right, but then you take it back to the origins of it like what was that?

2:29:55What was that divine influence? Yeah, what what what what were the experiences? Was it a convert? Yeah, was it a car? How did it you know we like we like to you like to kind of the And here's another thing man it all involves faith It does involve an aspect of faith like you know because we look at the The letters in the New Testament who were mostly written by the Apostle Paul and And the only way that we can trust that, okay, this is the literal message from God to us, but it's coming through a man. Like, how does that happen? Well, we have to believe that, again, the Almighty is influencing man through the power of His Spirit in the man to write the things that the man wrote.

2:30:51You know, that's like that's why this this this belief in the Holy Spirit and and of the believer actually being possessed with the Spirit of God is so essential. Like it has to be that way or else the Apostle Paul's writing his opinions. Right. Or he's writing based off of his experience. You know, you could take it all the way back. What did Pilate say to Jesus? What is truth? Well, you know, what is like truth? I don't even know that truth can come from man alone because everything that we have experienced is so influenced by our upbringing, by our perspective, by our memory, by so many factors.

2:31:42That's why I hate, dude, I hate seeing these guys, these former military guys attacking each other, man. About he did this and he did that and he didn't do this and he didn't do that. I'm like, I mean, some guys might fly out but you know, telling us a fib, you know, I get that, right? You know, that's not good. But man, so many people are recounting experiences that they've had in their life and their service and whatever it may be. And like all of that is shaped by their unique perspective in the way that their mind works. And, you know, it's like I can't attack a dude's door. I can't attack a dude for that, you know what I mean?

2:32:22So, if we're saying that the Bible is truly the perfect revelation of God to man, then we have to understand that the source of that, all of that did not come from man in some way it was wrought by God through man, if that makes sense. It does make sense. And that is the ultimate truth where it all started from. It's just trying to like sift through the tongue of man to get to whatever that truth is. And then this thing that will ultimately, I mean, unless some sane technology comes about, we'll never know. We'll never be able to go back in time and figure that out. That's a problem, man. It's an issue.

2:33:09You know, I talked to my buddy about that while I was sitting there with him, you know, I see was passing away. And, you know, scripture describes when you leave your physical body here on earth, you know, your spirit basically goes into the presence of the Almighty immediately. But in that state, you're unclothed and you don't want to be unclothed. And like I was, I'm having all these, I lost my train of thought there on where we were going with that.

2:33:54But yeah, man, I forgot the original question, but it pertained to something, a conversation I had with him. Well, you were talking with him about this sort of leap of faith that you have to make. Oh, yeah. Okay. That's what I was talking him about. I was like, right now, Mr. Don, you, there is an element of faith in what you believe. like and that that's a problem like that's it's hard to explain that it's hard that's a problem but when you leave here like you're no longer going to have to live by faith like once you get there you're gonna know you made it like it's it's it's all but it goes back to what you were saying like we'll never know.

2:34:45There's always going to be an element of faith in what we believe. Like there has to be, as it pertains to things of God, there's always going to be a certain element of faith. That very faith is the gift that the Lord gives to His elect, the ability to believe. Like that is the gift, that element of faith. That's the gift that I treasure more than anything else that I have in my life. But it's still tough. Remember I told you I'd have doubt sometimes. Of course. Well that's where the skeptical person steps in and says, well this is ridiculous. It's all based on you have to believe in faith because logically it doesn't make any sense.

2:35:35And so this is the problem with that That is that you are making this assumption that human mind is flawless and that it can perceive truth regardless of your learned experiences, regardless of what you know about the world. You can see truth even if it's a completely unique thing. You can know that it doesn't exist. Like, there's no way. There's no way you know. And if it is a puzzle, what grade a puzzle, then you have to believe something that defies logic. Like if you were gonna, if you're gonna demand faith of someone, you would, you would deliver it in a way that there's the only way to buy into this.

2:36:19You have to get past your logic, you have to abandon it, and you have to believe something that you've been told is impossible. But my answer to that is, is it an everything impossible? This is the problem with that. The problem is Terence McKenna once said that science only demands of you one miracle. That's the big bang. If you believe in one miracle, everything else it says it can explain with materialist science. So if the miracle of the big bang is way crazier to believe than the resurrection of a human being, that seems more logical. It seems more plausible. People live, people die, maybe people come back to life.

2:37:09I'll buy that more than the entire universe is smaller than the head of a pen. And through no process than anybody's adequately explained, becomes everything. And maybe it's a continual process. It happens over and over and over again. Well, you like, you like to look into all this stuff. My wife sent me a YouTube video or something the other day. Apparently they saw something with one of these telescopes or something. that they look into the cosmos with that has completely destroyed all their evidence of their theology behind the big bang. James Webb telescope. They're finding, they think that some of what they were interpreting as the initial signals of the big bang are not that.

2:37:54Not only that, but the origin, the birth of the universe is far older than they think it was because they're finding galaxies that are far too large and formed that are so far away that they would have had to form far quicker than they thought was possible from the moment of the Big Bang thing. So this is extended in some people's eyes the birth of the universe to 22 plus billion years old instead of 13 .7 or whatever it is. So they think it's possibly even older but then there's also questions like the Big Bang itself might not be correct. You might be just interpreting the signals of this part of the space, part of the universe.

2:38:35We just can't see yet because we don't have the ability to see further than what the James Webb telescope can do. So as we develop better and better tools with each iteration, you're going to have a much deeper understanding of the vastness of the universe itself, which may ultimately be infinite. And Roger Penrose thinks that not only was there not just a big bang that there's a continual cycle of these things that happen for eternity that there's never been in beginning. Go ahead and wrap your mind around that. Wrap your mind around that. Because we always want to think in terms of our own personal biological limitations.

2:39:15We have a birth and we have a death. Well, what was the birth of the universe? Well, why? Why assume that? Why? because we have this tiny little lifespan of a hundred years. Even when we try to interpret hard things about scripture or we think about the Lord, we even almost always we put time constraints on him. How do you think without the constraints of time, like in your mind, you know what I mean? It's freaking wild. Then time gets real, we're getting to the Old Testament, like how old was Noah? Well, yeah, what is that? They lived a long time. You know, that kind of goes along with my theory of at the fall of man literally marring man's genetic code and how that has just kind of progressively gotten worse over time.

2:40:08It's possible, but it's also possible that their interpretation of time is different because they didn't understand calendars. You know, what they consider the year was not what we're talking about, we're talking about a completely different thing. Yeah, you know, like we have such a limited understanding just of human civilization. I mean, there's new findings, like constantly, that are completely throwing a monkey wrench into the timeline of human history. And you know, some of the biggest ones are happening in Egypt right now where they're finding structures through tomography, to these use of satellites, they're finding these structures underneath the pyramids that go down two kilometers deep, very controversial stuff, but they've repeated it over and over again.

2:40:50There's these cylinders and there's coils that seem to be wrapped around these cylinders. They're hundreds of meters deep, and then there's more structures underneath there that are like, well, what is this? Like, who made this? Like, explaining the pyramids themselves is impossible. They try, they pretend. People were just smarter than you think. Okay, maybe, but also crazy, that you've got this fucking thing that's what 17 acres in its footprint, 2 ,300 ,000 stones. Some of them cut from a quarry, 500 miles away, placed hundreds of feet in the ceiling. Some of them are 50 plus tons that they've moved into these positions.

2:41:31Cut perfectly. You can kind of get a razor blade in between of them, set to perfect north, south, east, and west. And now you find out there's structures underneath them that might go down two kilometers. We might have a completely fucked up understanding of human history. And it's very likely we do. Yeah, it's a, you know, there's a lot of speculation around, I'm sure you have had somebody on to talk about this period of human history and scripture where it talks about essentially these angelic beings basically pro -creating with human women and creating some sort of hybrid race, men of renown, with special knowledge.

2:42:13And it would seem that something like that, when you look at the example and all of the stuff you just talked about with the pyramids, like there was, they were getting special knowledge. There was something weird from some source. I don't know. Like you said, we can't understand it, man. Well, we don't, unfortunately, because of the burning of the library of the Alexandria, We have a limited understanding of what was going on But what what they did accomplished that's still there today baffles Just baffles the greatest human mind. They're like What I love about you is you're not afraid to ask these questions man and What you're doing here on the show.

2:42:55It's like you're not afraid to dig into anything Well, I don't think you should be afraid of questions and no one should be but a lot of people's pride You know like Keep them from Yeah, there's that. Kind of asking those questions, I mean. Well, people take themselves seriously, you know, I don't really take myself very seriously, luckily. And I also am not married to my ideas. My ideas are just ideas, and they're not mine. They're just ideas, and I'll entertain those ideas. But if they're wrong, I'll say, oh, that's wrong. I thought this, this is why I thought that, this is what turns out really is.

2:43:29And I think if you can do that, you'll have a healthier perspective. Just ask questions. Don't be afraid to sound foolish because there's probably a reason why you want to ask that question It's maybe there's a logical answer that'll make you seem foolish for asking the question like okay now get it But maybe not and there's a lot of assumptions that people cling to boy We found out a lot about that during COVID. There's a lot of shit that people just believe wholeheartedly that's 100 % not true and you'll yell at people about it and you'll fucking change people's lives and you'll treat people like plague rats and it's 100 % you're 100 % incorrect and you've based your entire identity on this information that's 100 % incorrect and then years later you're still justifying it because your ego won't allow you to admit that you were incorrect.

2:44:23You had made false assumptions you had gone down the wrong way of thinking and And here you are stuck with this undeniable truth that's right in front of your face. You were fucking wrong. You were wrong. You got played. You can't trust the government. You can't trust the pharmaceutical drug companies. You can't trust anybody that's making a profit off of you. There it is right in front of your face. And that's the problem with taking yourself too seriously. It's a problem with being married to your ideas. It's a problem to always wanting to be right and always wanting to sound intelligent. That's so good.

2:44:58Joe, this is so impactful for me to hear you say that because I have to share this with you, of course, I had a, I've told a few of my close buddies and friends that I was coming on the show today to have a conversation with you. And it's amazing people's response when you tell them that you're going to come and sit down to the mighty Joe Rogan. the most powerful man on the internet. I've heard you called that. Dude, I'm just, don't be offended by any of that. That's what people say. And, you know, I had so many people tell me, now Chad, when you go sit down with Joe, you better just stick to what you know.

2:45:42And I'm sitting here like, buddy, I don't know a whole lot. Like when you really get down, Like what you said, man, like you're not attached to your ideas. And there are not, a lot of times they're not even your ideas. They're just, you just think about things deeply and you ask these questions. And when you live that way, you do come to the realization that, man, there's very little that I actually know when we define the word or the idea of knowing something. And even scripture tells us any man that thinks he knows anything hasn't known as he ought to know. In other words, as soon as you think you have the answers to most things, you are totally backwards.

2:46:32You haven't known the ultimate form. I think one of the ultimate forms of knowledge or knowing is realizing that you really don't know much. Absolutely. And but it's just funny that you talked about that and that was Some of the advice I received But if you don't talk about the things you know what you know, yeah, but the problem with that is like you're never gonna get anywhere You gotta be able to I agree man. I agree in Yeah, man, it's people's people's perspective of what you've built here and and know, you know, what you do and what you've accomplished, I think it's just like so skewed, like just based off of some of the conversations I had, you know what I mean?

2:47:20Well, it's always going to get weird when anything gets large, you know, people have their own opinions and their own perceptions of things that are successful and... Why do you keep going at this point? It's fun. You enjoy it. I like it. Yeah, I like it. I enjoy it. It's enriching. I like talking to people. I like learning new things. Like having interesting conversations, fun conversations. What was your first kind of big break? As a podcaster? As a pod... I mean, just in general as someone who's public. I guess the big one was Fear Factor. You know, that was the one that kind of made me famous.

2:48:02What led you there? I was on this TV show before that called news radio. It was a sitcom. Okay. I was on that before that I was a stand -up comic and You know my trajectory's been very slow which is good Tellty for you you can you get it better like you can deal with it Because the worst thing that ever happens is like a 20 -year -old kid become super famous Yeah, you're just fucked your fucked You just you're not gonna be able to handle that you're gonna be off the rails It's just too weird. The world is a totally different place. Everybody knows who you are, where you go. Everyone around you needs you.

2:48:40So you have all these talking heads around you that are kissing your ass. Your perception of the world is completely distorted. You never had to truly develop your character. You know, you've got untold wealth in your teens. Like you can't handle that. Nobody can handle that. No child stars ever make it out and seem normal. They're all fucked. It's like cement where you mix it wrong. You know, there's not enough water, not enough sand, whatever it is. The formulation's wrong. You're never going to fix it. You're going to fix it after the fact. It's already formed. And it's a tragedy. But to get fame slowly, as long as you're always working on your character, and one of things that will keep you sane when you're going through fame in particular is voluntary adversity like particularly working out and that's good brother how can relate to that man oh yeah I know you're big into ultra running and that kind of voluntary and I saw you took up Gigi recently too right that looks like it's fucking tiring huh?

2:49:45The guy with the kind of a day so you have It was an amazing, how tired it was. It was rough, dude. Bad, rough. Yeah. Jiu -Jitsu is humiliating. It's humbling. But there's a lot of power in that humbling. It makes the rest of your life so much easier. Really does. That Jiu -Jitsu is a huge factor in my sanity. And my ability to stay sane through everything. Is that I'm getting humbled all the time. Yeah. I'm exhausted all the time. and dudes are strangling me all the time. You know, it was like you just, like so, that kind of conflict was so overwhelming, but yet also positive and helped me so much with character development, my understanding of myself, and what I was able to accomplish, if I worked hard enough, that it allows you to navigate the weird waters of fame so much easier.

2:50:40It's a that's really impactful to hear you say that Joe because I think that is is and has been my exact same experience, you know, and we've been do we've been I've been kind of public for the last five years now and it's it's been kind of slow but but again it kind of went big there for like within two years, like it, the YouTube and stuff blew up to the point that I'm nowhere, obviously, on the level that you experience in your life, but you know, you can't go out in public without somebody's gonna stop you. But you're at the level where I know who you are. In all these comments and all this stuff, you know what I mean?

2:51:19But like, but like, continuously choosing to do these challenges that, like, I don't even know if I'm gonna be able to do it, like the the Yukon race. the U -Come 1000. We didn't finish that. We went 435 miles and David started having circulation issues in his lower body because he's paralyzed. Blood didn't flow very well. And like his leg is usually the size just of his femur, you know, or his bones. And by the third day his legs were the same size as my legs. and he started to develop these pressure sores on his butt, which is very, very dangerous for people who are paralyzed. Just from sitting in that kayak for 18 hours a day, but like we didn't complete that, but we were out there, truly in truly in wilderness, like struggling against not only the miles, but just the environment.

2:52:31Like I love to hear all these happy people talk about mother earth. It's like mother earth will freaking kill you son. You die, you talk about mother earth around me, that tells me one thing, you ain't spent much time in nature. But man, we're out there just like struggling through this and it became something that for my teammate, it was in a place that he could safely continue. But like that so refreshed me, dude. Being out there, the experience, the struggle, it's brutal, man. Like 120, 130 mile days, 18 hour days in this kayak, you're getting three hours of sleep, having to cook all your food.

2:53:21It's all self -contained. but like I come out the other end of that man, I'm just like so dialed in. Dialed in, dude. Without those experiences, I agree with you 100 % man. I think all men need voluntary diversity. I think you need it. I think that's one of the reasons why people are so filled with anxiety and depression and I think you need to challenge yourself all the time. And I think it needs to be physical. I think it's not just a mental thing. I think people need physical challenge. I think it's a very important part for maintaining sanity. It is for me for sure. I have to have something, you know, on the micro level daily, on the micro level I have to have maybe two things, big things, a year that I look at and I'm like, I don't know if I can actually finish that or not.

2:54:13You know what I mean? And then it forces me to train, to learn, to prepare, to plan. That's when you get, if we wanna move toward mental toughness and how this kind of preps you and keeps you going through life, like that's where all the mental toughness is really built as through the training process. Like on race day, you shouldn't be getting any more mentally tough on race day, you know what I mean? Yeah, he waited too long. Yeah, but your brain is just a muscle like any other muscle in my experience. Yeah. It's a, if you stop exercising it and people want to act like there are people out there, maybe like me or like David Goggins or these people that have become so mentally tough that like we're just good.

2:55:07Like we should be able to show up anywhere anytime and perform and just crush everyone. That's not how it works. Like every one of us, we have to prepare and train, and train day in and day out, and go through the process in order to perform. That's a never ending thing. But people want to believe that you can just become mentally tough and then possess that and perform for the rest of your life. They wanna believe that because they don't want to do the work that's required to actually perform at a high high level. Right. You know, it's almost like an out. Yeah. That people want to take or believe in.

2:55:51Well, this is, man, I'm glad you're out there. I appreciate you very much. I appreciate you coming in and doing the show and three of seven projects on YouTube. But you want anything else? Just three of sevenproject .com. If you want to come train with us, that's what I mean, and that's my passion in life is not only my faith, but teaching and everything that we do is, we have training exercises, you know, once a month or something and I'm out there with you, sufferin' with you. Beautiful. And go check it out if you wanna come hang out and Joe, man, I can't thank you enough for your generosity.

2:56:25There's many times during that conversation that you could have made me look like a fool while I'm sure. And you had a lot of grace for me. I enjoyed it very much. Thank you very much.

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