#2359 - Mike Maxwell

26:52And neither of us knew what the fuck we were doing. And the coach was like, hey, and like grabbed this purple belt, who's now, he owns Del Mar Jiu -Jitsu in San Diego. He came over here as a purple belt, just just fucking like vanilla gorilla. And hip tossed me. Oh, no. And I was like, what the fuck was that? Like, I had no idea what had happened. I was on my back, you know, trying to catch my breath, like, holy shit, what was that. And at that moment, like, I knew I, like, I thought I was tough. I thought I had a little bit of toughness in me. And I was like, just a complete humbling experience.

27:27But also, like, encouraging. Like, I feel like it was that singular hip toss, like led me to be a black belt. Interesting. So because it was so overwhelming, you were like, I need to learn that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was that kind of like a weird phase. So that was probably like around around 2008, when shit seemed to be, it was like a little moment of like, everything's going to shit. And like, I had this weird feeling of like the financial crisis. Yeah. This was when the banks, yeah, everybody's money was weird and it just clapped. And I felt like if shit hits the fan, like, maybe I should know how to do something.

28:08Which is such a weird, yeah. Yeah. That's a crazy thought. It's fairly abstract. Like, to me, it wasn't like, I was like super concerned or like really serious about it. But I had the thought of like, if I need to defend myself or if I need, and that's why I was running too, it was like, if I need to fucking chase down a deer in, you know, until it overheats. Right. And it ended up just being a little bit of a motivation. And then I just found the joint. I always said, if I ever opened a Jiu Jitsu gym, I would call it fun Jiu Jitsu. Nobody's dealing with that. Just because I mean, I was talking to Zach, your security guard at the comedy club.

28:47And like, for me, I don't get into street fights. I haven't been in a street fight since I was a teenager. Yeah, me too. You know, like I've broken up fights more often than I've got into them. And you know, one thing I do find that's really disconcerting, when fights break out, I don't get nervous. That's how beautiful is that? I've had that, because I remember when fights break out, your anxiety shoots up, your heart rate. I get weird if like, someone close to me is with me, and I'm worried about their danger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the fact that two people are fighting, I'm so used to it, it's weird.

29:21I stopped a bar fight a couple of years ago where a group of guys attacked his dude. One of them got a hold of him, and he's sunk into Gillotine. The guy got taken down right away, deep Gillotine. Like all the way up over the shoulder, you know, like I was not letting him tap, was not letting him out? No, no, no. And I saw it all sort of kind of unfolding, and I ran up there, and I just whispered in his ear, if you do jiu jitsu, you should probably let go right now. That calm. He like looked at me, let go, dude was out cold. I actually grabbed the guy who was out cold and picked his feet. That's a great way to handle it, the way you talk to him.

29:59Yeah, and immediately looked at me like, okay, yeah, I hear what you're saying. I mean, that's so like, this could be the difference between nothing happens to you. You're just defending yourself, and you're going to jail for a long time, because this guy's dead. Yeah, especially if the guy's out, you're still holding onto it. Yeah. Yeah, and it was quick. It was tight. He might not have known he was out, but I mean, he was probably so jumped up with a adrenaline and he like had his girlfriend with him. Yeah, dude, street fights are stupid. So dumb. And if I see them, I just get the fuck away.

30:29But it would just weird that I've seen so many people beat people up. Yeah. I have seen like firsthand, there's probably a tiny percentage of people on earth that have seen more fist fights in person than me. Yeah, I can't imagine, especially at that close range. At close range with world class fighters. Because when you're in at a USC event, like those fights feel so much more intense and so much more like, dude, you got to come over when you're there. You got to come with me to the apex. The apex is the place to see fights. Yeah. The apex center is the UFC's private little auditorium. It's tiny.

31:09It only seats like a hundred people. Is that where they are doing the fights during COVID? Yeah. Dude, I saw Francis and Gon versus Steve A. Miochik in a small cage with no audience. That's what I was. It was wild. No sounds or sounds you don't hear. Bro, it was wild. Yeah. It was so different because Francis is punches and kicks without all the cheering. Yeah, to hear that sound. It's a different thing, man, because you're experiencing what that fighters experiencing. Not you're not getting the pain, but the thud, the force that you feel it different. You feel like through the arena, you feel a small little broom, you feel it.

31:53And I remember concussion in the air. When he collapsed, when he hit him on the left hook and dropped him and then punched him when he was down, I was like, oh my God. It was so different than seeing it in a arena. It was so intimate. Yeah. It's like, I always say that it's like the difference, Cheen, going to see an acoustic concert and going to see a concert in a gigantic arena. Right. You know, you go see someone in a club doing an acoustic set, like Gary Clark Jr. did an acoustic set. It's different. Yeah. This is cool. That's why I always like the prelim fights for the few fights that I've gone to.

32:24Right. And it's interesting. I noticed myself getting nervous for the fighter walking, especially that first fight, like first prelim. Because I can like 10 people in the room. Yeah. You're weird. Yeah. And that walk out moment is so peculiar. Yes. Like, peculiar. And I don't know if everybody else feels it, but it's like I can almost feel their anxiety like as they're walking out. And some guys you don't feel that at all. You just feel this confidence, this crazy confidence. That's fascinating too. The guys can get so good and work themselves into a headspace where they like Ilya Toporia. He walks in there like he's already won.

33:03He celebrates the night before. He has a celebration dinner with all his friends and family the night before the fight. He walks out that look has not a doubt in the world. No doubt. I wonder how much of that comes from everything that he's done so far, like just a supreme confidence. Oh, it's definitely from that. But maybe with their before, I think he's touched by the universe. I think there's there's certain people that have a talent. Obviously hard work, obviously disciplined, obviously intelligence, obviously great trainers. All those things are, you can't get past the technique that he has, but there's an understanding of what to do and how to do it and when do it and an ability that's above and beyond.

33:47And I see this all the time where it's like two people who seem like they would be equal in skills or even just in knowledge, right? But one of them out can completely outshine the other. Well you learn early on in martial arts that it's all hard work, but there's certain dudes that have physical attributes that are just freakish. Yeah, they're freakish. The first thing that I ever, my first introduction to real like high level martial arts was his guy named John Lee and John Lee was the national light heavyweight champion in Taekwondo at the time. And he was training for the World Cup. And I was leaving with my friend Jimmy, we were coming home from a baseball game.

34:30We were coming home from Fenway Park and we just passed by this Taekwondo school. And I was like, let's go up. We're waiting for the tea. The tea takes forever to train. It's always packed. Everybody's leaving the baseball game at the same time. It's going to be a mob scene. Let it die down for a little bit. Let's go check out this Taekwondo class. And as we're walking up the stairs, I hear, Cachon, like this crazy noise, like a thump and then a rattle of chains. That's what I was hearing. And it was this dude practicing a spinning back kick on the back in his prime, big long dude who had fucking ferocious power.

35:07He was just bending this bag in half. And I was 14 and I was like, holy shit. I think I was 15. It was like, it was the summer of my 15th birthday. But I changed my life. I was like, I need to learn how to do that. That's crazy. But then after a while, I realized like, not everybody can do that. There's guys that are like high level guys that can't do it. That guy could do. That guy had some weird gift. He had a weird power gift. Even sometimes it's just biology. Like how your body is shaped. It's 100 % biology. When it comes to power. Like if you have tiny hands and slope shoulders and girl hips, good luck.

35:48There's no way you're going to generate John Lee type power. And that's like, I can't punch to save my life. But I got these long skinny ass arms. Like, I'll douse the fuck out of you. Oh, they're perfect for jujitsu. Long arms and thin arms are perfect for jujitsu. Because it's all leverage, man. I think one of the best things, most inspirational things that can happen if you can handle it in jujitsu is getting mauled by a smaller person. A person like quite a bit, some 30 pounds lighter than you and just runs through you. And you're like, wow. Like, okay, it's not about strength at all. It's about skill, knowledge, technique, timing, timing.

36:25Timing is fucking everything. Timing is a lot. But you have to know what to do with the timing. Yeah. And you got to be fine. You have to have technique. You have to have technique has to be sure. Because there's some guys. Like some guys little wrap something up. But it's like dine out of 10. Like you're going to squeeze it, maybe get the tap. But there's other guys, they lock something and you're like, oh, there's no way out of this. Yeah, this is death. This is death. Yeah. Yeah, this is 10 out of 10. Yeah. Like an Eddie Bravo triangle. You get locked to Eddie Bravo's triangle. I'm not getting out of this.

36:52This is tap time. That's, I've been wondering. So I play lockdown a lot. And maybe getting too technical is probably fucking boring. That's okay. I have an extra muscle in my calf. It's the, I have the same muscle in my left calf, but my right one is twice the size. Just a little strand from making that little hook on the shin. Oh, you're just from just playing lockdown. Wow. You know, you can exercise that. You know, there's a thing called a tip bar. Do you know what that is? This would be really good for jujitsu. For especially for people who really love butterfly guard. And it's just good for overall needs stability.

37:31I learned about it through the knees over toes guy on Instagram. Have you ever done any of this? No, but I need to start looking into it. Looking into it yesterday. Really good for knee health and strengthening the knees. Yeah. A lot of amazing exercises. But one of the things that he has that he recommends is a tip bar. And so what it is is it's like a thing that attaches to your shoe and you lift weights by lifting your foot upward, by lifting your toes towards your knee. Which is an exercise you very rarely get. But it's really good. Yeah. That's really good. And for butterfly guard that would be it, man, because you could get that motherfucker strong as shit with not just doing butterfly guard, but lifting.

38:11Lifting for that you would for sure. I always thought like leg extensions to that would help in a big way, right? Yeah. You know, for the same kind of muscles, the forcing like extending the leg for your muscles. Yeah, because that's it feels awkward at first to try to elevate from that position. Yeah. Right. Especially if your knees are fucked. I'm kind of, I'm 16 years in now and I'm like, I'm avoiding the heavyweight rolls. Right. Like I just have to like protect myself and still like, I never want to stop either. So like I want to be able to get in there and fuck around as much as possible.

38:48Yeah, you got to pick who you roll with for sure. That's important, especially as you get older. Are you doing TRT or anything like that? No, I wish. Why don't you do it? I have. Oh, you son of a bitch. What does that mean? What does that mean? What does that mean? Like backspot. What does that mean? I just haven't had a chance, I suppose. I mean, while you're in town, I'm going to hook you up with waist well. How many more days you're here? I leave tonight. Oh, shit. Yeah. What time tonight? Nine. Oh, yeah, we could do that. We can make it happen. We'll make it happen. I'll make a call soon as we get out of here and I'll have you go over there right before you take off.

39:24Yeah, because shit has gone pretty south with the body. You should get at the very least if you don't do anything. You should get blood work. Get blood work. Find out where your hormone levels are at. Yeah. How is your diet? It's not bad. I eat pretty good. I actually cut out sugar this year. Big impact? Humongous. Isn't it crazy? Humongous. You're poisoning yourself. Yeah. It's just like what I was saying, being that slightly lower than baseline, sugar gives you that little dopamine fix that is like, okay, I feel bad now. And so I had a little soda habit, which I mean, there could be fucking worse things.

40:03So out worse things. But maybe not though. Sugar is pretty bad for you. Well, it's so, I lost 15 pounds. Like that. Like that. In the crazy? Yeah, it's so stupid. It's so crazy how many people are just down in that stuff all day long? All day long. Yeah. And just eating you from the inside. We can see it in their body. We can see it in their body. People, I'm sorry, buddy. I put my foot on Marshal. I forgot he was there. I mean, you see it with kids. I mean, it's terrible for kids. It's so bad. It's so bad for everything. You know, but in moderation, it's okay. But the problem is, human beings are really bad with moderation of things that are literally designed to be addictive.

40:45Yeah. And I'm a creature of habit to where it's like, I build a routine. And then I stick to that fucking routine. And if that includes, you know, sugary drinks, sugary drinks and a fucking ice cream at night, whatever, like, it's going to be there. I know. And especially if you're putting in the work, if you're working hard and you're working out, you're like, I deserve it. I deserve it. Yeah. I'm poison myself. Yeah. Be like, it's a balance. This times, like, I'll come home from the comedy club and it's late and everyone's asleep. And I'm like, fuck it. I'm eating cereal. Yeah. I mean, you get to choose.

41:18Every now and then, and I always feel terrible after I do it. I'm like, why did you do that? Yeah. All those ideas that sound so great and you just build up a beautiful idea and then you get done and you're like, what the fuck are we? The only thing I might feel good is if I come home and I'll cook a steak. I do, I do like that. Like, I'm going to actually take a whole hour to make myself a meal. Even though it's 11 .39, I'm tired. And when I say a whole hour, make myself a meal and have the discipline to not eat any garbage before that. Because when you're tired, you make the worst dietary decisions.

41:51Yes. There's a part of you when you're tired. I forget what it's called. I forget what the, there's actually like a thing that happens where you are impulsively going to go towards things that are bad for you. You're impulsively going to go towards potato chips and ice cream and candy and bullshit because you're fatigued. And there's convenience, right? Like, it's not just that. If there was a fucking home cooked meal, like mashed potatoes, green beans, a beautiful like half chicken that was cooked on a grill or ice cream, you might take the ice cream if no one was around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you might grab a Kit Kat bar.

42:34You know, for sure, if there was a bowl of chips, just an inviting bowl of like ruffles, sitting there, I think I'm going to grab a couple of ruffles. And that's how we're dope with me thing. Our brain rewards us somehow. And then it fucks with us later. But you know what the thing is? The reward is not worth it. It's not a good reward. Yeah. Like, it's not like an orgasm. It's not like the completion of a project. It's not like the accomplishment of some great goal. The amount of whatever rush in your brain that you get from eating a shitty potato chips, not that much. Yeah. For what it does to you.

43:08But if I eat a bag of ruffles, I feel like shit for five hours. Yeah. For sure. I started, it came from a time place where I was really poor and I tried to figure out like, what's the least amount of food I could eat in a day and still survive? Right. And what I started to do was like do little fastings during the day. So like I'd wake up, get a coffee and not eat until like five. But then I started realizing that I felt good doing that. You know, like my body started feeling better. And now I pretty much do it regularly now, even though like I have money to get food, I would just just wait, just wait.

43:48And I found myself actually getting pleasure from the pain of starvation. Like I started to, I started to like the feeling of being hungry. Really? Yeah. At a certain point. But how hungry were we talking about? This is like a 24 hours in or how many hours in? No, it's like, so I would, I would basically eat one meal at like five thirty. Okay. So no food all day, except you know, I'd have some coffee with a little bit of half and half in. It's some fat and drinking water of course or maybe like eat like a fucking banana or something. And I was like my body just felt great to where like before I, you know, I was probably eating something shitty in the morning, feeling shitty.

44:33Yeah. Until noon, eat some other fucking shitty thing. You know, as a young person, you just do whatever the fuck you want. Well, your body will get adapted. I mean, that's why that whole intermittent fasting thing is interesting, right? Because you're making your body digest food all day long. Like if you're eating all day long, your body, your digestion system never gets break. Well, I started thinking like even like, you know, back to chasing the fucking deer, like our bodies used to have to go hunt. Oh yeah. To get something to eat. So this idea of like waiting, you know, eight hours, six hours before eating anything from waking up, like it all started to feel natural for me.

45:14Well, it is natural as long as you're eating natural food. Yeah. That's the thing. Yeah. So if you're eating processed foods and a lot of bread and a lot of pasta and a lot of stuff that human beings have made, especially like our American bread, your your body is accustomed to a lot of sugar. Your body is accustomed to those complex carbohydrates just pouring into your system all day long. And you're using those as a fuel source. If you're subsisting off of fat and protein and meat and like avocados and you're getting healthy food, your body is working off a lot of ketones. Your body is, it's making its own glucose through gluconeogenesis from the meat.

45:54And it's also running off of ketones from the fat. It's a way more efficient way of doing it. And when you do that, you don't get nearly as hungry. It's, you don't have that feeling, that awful feeling. When I was eating a lot of carbs and if I would go like four or five hours without eating, I would start getting fucking famished. You don't get famished when you eat only meat. It stops. You get hungry, but it's totally manageable. Just that alone I love, the not requiring food. Like I can go, sometimes I'll, I won't eat breakfast, sometimes I'll work out. I won't eat breakfast. I'll come here.

46:36I'll be here all day. And the first meal I have is dinner. Yeah. And I'm fine. Yeah. I'm literally fine. It's not bothering me. And it's only because my body's adapted to not eat processed shit. Yeah. Because it's different if you feel like you're going to throw up or pass out because you haven't felt anything eaten. That's people that eat a lot of fucking glucose. People that are eating a lot of carbohydrates, a lot of bullshit. Your body needs fuel. You get low blood sugar and you start feeling like shit. Yeah. And like you got to get something in you. Well, I noticed as soon as I started doing that, like the stored fat, like in my, like little love handles or whatever, like immediately just, it was like the body's like, okay, I got to use this shit now.

47:16Yeah. And, and burn it up. Just complete body change and like mentally by felt so much better. Yeah. People that fast and I have never fasted for more than 24 hours. But people that fast for like three days, they all talk about how great they feel at the end. You feel euphoric and incredible and like you have so much energy and like that sounds nuts. It sounds like you're fucking dying. Yeah. Cause I mean, I do get miserable sometimes of like, like I could just eat a fucking steak. Like I hold it off. I hold off the idea of fasting cause like I make all these excuses for myself. Like, oh, I've got to do my show.

47:52I got to, I'm supporting. I can't be out of it. Yeah. And that's for me. I don't have any like stringent routine of like I'm not allowed to fucking eat something. It's just the routine that I've got into now to where it's like I just sit down and work. But that kind of probably helps a little bit too because of that mind state of like I don't really, when I'm in the mode of painting, like I don't have to go to the bathroom. I'm not hungry. Do you drink coffee or anything? What are you doing? Yeah, I drink espresso during the day or like I'll get a quad espresso and then it just kind of lasts most of the day, you know, until like noon or whatever.

48:25And that, I mean, that keeps me kind of on the level, I suppose. Cause there is some fat in there and like the caffeine obviously helps. Yeah. It's a little something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Caffeine helps with hunger. But I think that what you're saying, the focus is probably the big thing that you're just so locked into what you're doing that you're not even. Yeah, it's like I'm not even in my body anymore. Like the body is separated from the mind in that way. That thing that you were talking about earlier that is such a weird thing. The where it feels like the whatever you're working on just sort of takes over.

48:56To me, it's something subconscious. Cause like the way I look at jujitsu or painting or any real art form as creative problems solving. So for me, all of those things, like it tickles the same part of my brain to where the, like I'll ask myself questions. Like it tends to be like you have to ask yourself the right questions. Like I've had, like I don't know how to use how to fix a car to save my life, but I've had to fix some shit to where I'm like, hmm, what should I do here? Or like, you know, you'll just try something. But it's almost like a subconscious voice. Like I was saying how the painting will kind of tell me how to, like where to go next.

49:41To where I'm, I don't know an answer, but somehow I come up with it, right? Just by kind of asking my brain, you know, what should we do here? And it's, it's, it's always like fascinated me that I'll, it's like my brain comes up with solutions to these problems by, you know, running some computation of like, well, if we did this, this will happen. If we did that, this will happen. And I'll come up with ideas that are, like I don't have that aren't conscious ideas or thoughts that seep in from some depth in my brain that it's like, I'm, it's not my control. It's not like a, like a brag. Right, right, right.

50:24It's like some, some way of thinking that I can get solutions to problems that I don't know the solution to. Right. And you don't feel like those solutions are yours. No. Yeah, that's, yeah. Yeah, it comes from somewhere else. So I mean, I like to think of it as like some part of my subconscious or some part of the brain that I'm not accessing in conscious reality that is coming up with answers. But I'm, I'm amazed by it all the time. Like, if you've ever had like, like a light that wasn't working in your house, right? But if you like flip the switch three times and then like turn the fucking heater on, somehow the light comes on, you know what I mean?

51:02Like, you figure out these ways to, to accomplish a, a, a task or figuring out a solution to a problem. And for me, I feel like with painting and jujitsu or now anything, like, I remember I, I pinched a nerve in my neck, like bad to where it's like, I couldn't even sit up. And I was like, how the fuck am I going to get out of bed? And just ended up like picking my leg up, hooking my arm behind my leg and doing like a jujitsu thing to like sit myself up because I couldn't like actually set myself up. And I was like, I've never done that before. That's so fucking strange. But like, like my brain just told me to do that.

51:39Well, that makes sense though. You know how to use your body from jujitsu and this would be a way to get up without using your abs. Yeah. Yeah. But there's all kind of like, like fixing the fucking car. Like, I, I don't know what I'm doing. But this seems to be like my brain telling me, maybe try this, you know? And with, with all of these processes of, you know, martial arts and painting, just some creative problem solving aspect of the brain that's almost separated from. And gets nurtured with use. Yeah. It builds. Oh yeah. Like, it's strong. Well, this is what Pressfield talks about when he talks about summoning the muse.

52:18You know, when you, did you ever read the book, The War of Art? I haven't. I've got a copy. I'll give you a copy of it. He gave me a box of them. Because I used to have a box of them on the desk in the old studio that I hand out to people, but it's a short read. But it's an amazing read on this concept of the muse and that like treating this thing, like you're a professional, you're going to show up at this time and you're going to summon the muse and you're going to do it with sincerity. And if you do that and you show up every day, it'll work. Yeah. And it really does. That's what I do. Yeah.

52:45That's exactly, I mean, I live that. Like, I get up, get coffee, I go to the studio and I'm there until it's time to leave. Then I go teach at night and I repeat the whole process. And it's joy. Like there isn't a lot of, like I probably have a bit of a short attention span to where like things can get fucking boring, but obviously not painting. No, I leave after a long day and I feel myself feeling guilty that I'm not still there. Wow. You see, that's why I have a problem when people use that term ADHD. Because I think about myself as a boy and I'm like, I know they would have fucking diagnosed me.

53:24If I had the wrong parents, I know they would have diagnosed me and they would have brought me to a doctor who would have put me on some fucking medication and it would have ruined whatever weird quality that I have that lets me focus on things intensely. You know, they want to pretend that everybody has to be the same thing. Like everybody can't be the same thing. We're all wired different. I'm not wired normal. I'm wired. Like if what you're saying is boring, I'm like, oh God. Yeah, I can't take this. I know some people that are going to go, well, so what are you going to do about that Fred?

53:57They can have the boringest fucking conversations all day. I literally feel physical pain when I'm being bored. But if I find something that's really interesting, like really interesting, I can lock on. And when I lock on to that, I have no problem paying attention. And that's a fucking superpower. I think so. And I think they're fucking kids up, man. And I think there's a lot of lazy parents that don't want to deal with this extraordinary child that has this weird thing that you have in harness. Yeah. And you're putting that kid on fucking speed. They're putting them on riddles. Yeah. That's they were trying to give me riddles when I was a kid.

54:30And you know, I wasn't a spazzy kid. I wasn't, it just, I was bored as fuck by what, like whatever they were trying to do in school. You're an artist. Yeah. But no one could recognize that. It's almost like they want to pretend that that is not a real option for a human. But why are there so many artists? No, I know. Like what are you saying? How is that possible that you want everybody to fit into this fucking square peg? How is it possible that you're teaching a kid comes along and he's bouncing off the wall, but that motherfucker can play video games like an assassin. I go, okay. Yeah. Clearly, there's something going on with the video games that you're not providing him in the real world.

55:12And his ability to excel at video games shows he's extraordinary. Yeah. It's just about focusing that. If you take some little girl who just wants to talk to her friends and joke around in class and you fucking medicate her, she could have probably been an amazing artist. She maybe, she would have found a subject that she just like some kind of a science subject she locks onto. And now all of a sudden that thing doesn't exist anymore. It's not like she scattered all of it. No, she's just bored. Yeah. What you're doing is boring. Yeah. Your class is fucking boring. You have uninspired teachers who are underpaid.

55:48No one gives a fuck about them. They're basically babysitters. And you're bored. And because the teacher doesn't want to deal with you being bored, they tell the principal, the principal tells the doctor, the doctor recommends another doctor and a little billy sitting there in his fucking doctor's office and then they pop them full of riddle. And I had Henry Rollins on the podcast once and he's telling me they put him on riddle and when he was a little kid. Yeah. He said he was just fucking like, all day long, my god damn man. It's so nuts. Yeah, I remember seeing those kids too. Yeah. Just like fucking spun out.

56:24Spunk out. And now they're all on Adderall, man. Yeah. And that's fucking maybe. Bro, there's a ton of young kids out there in the world that do not have a problem. And they're on Adderall because it helps them concentrate. It helps their scores for college. Yeah. 100%. I care, run, tee it. There are kids out there in high school right now that are popping Adderall all the time so that they can do better on tests so they can do better in college. And then they're taking Xanax to come down off the fucking Adderall. Like, so terrible. So fucking terrible. It's fucking terrible. And you know, these pharmaceutical drug companies are just vampires.

57:07Yeah. This is what you need. This is what you need, my seeing the fucking commercials like your show. Don't you want to be happy? Don't you want to dance in a wheat field with your child? Don't you want to go to the barbecue? Yeah, actually, everyone's at the barbecue. They're happy. Everybody's happy. Don't you want to go to the barbecue? Yeah. First thing, finding the thing that is actually going to bring you joy. Yeah. My friend, the son of a mod has a great bit about it. I don't want to give it up, but it's great bit if you're ever seeing it at the mothership. Did you see him? I caught the very tail end of his set when I got there.

57:41He's got a great bit about great guy. He's great. He's got a funny dude too. He's been my friend since he was a door guy at the comedy store. So it's so interesting to see him like from a very raw beginner. Yeah. You know, to where he is now. I mean, you've gotten to see a lot of that, right? Yeah. All the guys with R .E. and Joey and yeah, Duncan, all those guys. Yeah. Pretty wild. Oh, it's been amazing. You've been seeing how the comedy scene has kind of started to flourish here. And kind of like build it like that little six street way there is pretty wild. Oh, dude, there's five full -time comedy clubs.

58:16Yeah. Right there. I hung out with my buddy Roy yesterday. And I feel like I met like four or five comics just like standing around, figuring out what we're going to do. It's the hub and it's also this is the most important thing. It's the hub for development of young people. It gives young people a real pathway. A real possibility. And we set it up that way on purpose. Like this is the idea. It's like you cannot have a sustainable comedy community without new members. Yeah. Yeah. I find a little envy in that. Like that's a little tougher in the like visual arts world is because we're so fucking isolated.

58:56We're not like hanging out at the same spots all the time. And it's like that's how things used to be like back in the day. Like the artists would all go to the same bar after they're done working for the day and they're like having artists neighborhood. Yeah. Like I only had a bunch of neighborhoods where a lot of artists live together. Yeah. I mean LA is a little bit different from besides New York than the rest of the art world. It's like if you're not in one of those two or three hubs, like you're kind of isolated. You're like outside of that realm. And we don't have that opportunity. I really like enjoy that aspect of the comedy community.

59:34Towards like you see everybody meeting up like they see each other every day. They talk over shit. They can like kind of workshop stuff with each other. Like having that ability is or like that community in that aspect. Oh, it's so nice. It's so nice. And so when you were there, it's like perfect setup. Like Shane Gillis was there. Ron White was there. I got to talk with Ron for a while. He's the best. He's the best. He's such a fucking character. Yeah. So Tony was there. It's so we have this beautiful community. But it's also like the young people. The young people coming up. They're good, man.

1:00:07They're good and they're hungry and they're focused and they realize that there's a real pathway. So because we set it up so we have two nights of open mic nights, which is really important. Yeah. You have to have chances for people to get on stage for the first time and just chances to just develop. Yeah. You just got a few minutes. You go up there, you tell a couple of jokes, try it again next week, try it down the street, try it over here, try it over there. If you want to do it, if you really want to do it, there's a bunch of people that are also doing it here. So there's like a great community.

1:00:34And it's pretty fucking positive, man. Yeah. And instead of being cutthroat and backstabby, everybody's real supportive. Big difference from LA, right? I noticed just the sort of like every interaction I had while I was here for just three days, just felt so genuine. Like not like somebody's trying to get something from you. There were regular folks out here. Everybody just seemed like so laid back and chill and they're focused. Regular humans. Yeah. What we were dealing with in Los Angeles was some amazing people. I miss them. There's a lot of amazing people in LA, but the overall vibe of the city was a vibe of you were trying to stand out from everybody else and get famous.

1:01:19Yeah. You could feel it. You could feel it. Yeah. Because I mean, growing up in San Diego, like I spent a lot of time in LA, like I could sense the feeling of like everybody, like it felt like everybody was trying to do something. Yes. Like every single person you saw on the street was up to something. And then it got real weird when reality TV came along because you didn't have to have any talent. So it used to be, you wanted to be an actor and people that didn't have any act talent in acting, you couldn't convince them otherwise. They thought they could do it. Everybody thought they could act.

1:01:49Because acting is essentially just talking. It's just pretending to talk when you know, like we know the words. So when people do it so badly, so bad, but they don't think they do. Right. So it's a thing that you can't discern. In a way, it's a little bit like comedy. Like you see a guy like Ron White tell a story on stage and it's so effortless and hilarious that you think, oh, he's not even trying. I can do that. I tell stories. Yeah, you know. My stories you go too. And you think you could go do it because you don't understand what's actually happening. Yeah. It's just confusing. It was tricking you.

1:02:19With that whole routine, like the idea of like writing a monologue seems so obscure to me. Like I feel like I can be funny in a scenario where it's like people are talking and you have something to bounce off of. Yeah. But to get up there and do a monologue by yourself, like that, it feels so alien to me. To you because you're smart, but to a dumb dude who sees that, he's like, I could do comedy. And so there was all these people that were just looking at comedy and also looking at acting as a pathway to getting attention. Yeah. And then it really got fucked with social media. So when I was leaving, but like a year or two before I left, I was already thinking about leaving.

1:03:00I was like, I gotta get out of here. And then I remember I was at a stayhouse and these people were there and people were taking pictures of them. Like what is this? And someone said, I don't even think it was a TikTok influencer. I think it was a Vine influencer. This is a Vine influencer. I was like, what does that mean? Like what do they do? And it's like, oh, they dance. They dance around and like people are here. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like this is nuts. So it became another way that you could get famous. You could just get famous by doing pranks or being obnoxious or taking your clothes off and yelling and traffic.

1:03:35So everybody was just trying to get famous. When you get out of there, you come to a place like Austin, there's this relaxation because they're just people. All that's gone. No one here is trying to get famous. It's very rare that someone's trying to get famous. And then if you can insert a comedy community there that really values the process and the results of the art, that's what we're really all about. We're really all about killing. All that other stuff comes. The reason why Shane Gillis is the number one comic in the world is because he works hard and he's really fucking funny and the process yields an amazing result.

1:04:16And he's so sincere, super sincere, but the point is like he doesn't give a fuck about fame. Like he's not trying to get famous. Yeah. I know him. Yeah. Like it's just something that happened. And we were joking about it. He was like, bro, fame sucks. Like we were the dream room the other night talking about how much fame sucks in some ways. I'm like, you can handle it. You'll be fine. You're going to handle it. Yeah. It's such a different experience. Like as a painter, like nobody really fucking knows what you look like. Most of the time. They do now. I spilled coffee. Shit. Not much. Luckily, I was almost out.

1:04:49But there's some sense of stress to that.

1:04:55I mean, I've even experienced this a little bit with hanging out with you a couple times of like people coming up and I'm like, fuck, this is so weird. Like why do people act like this? Like around the sea of the act. They get weird. But that's the thing also that people like about being famous. They want people to be uncomfortable around them. They want to be extraordinary without even trying. You know, it's a weird thing, man. It's a weird thing that has existed with royalty. You know, it's kind of the same thing. It's like this desire that people have to be exceptional and stand above everyone else for almost no reason.

1:05:29And the fame thing in Hollywood was the thing that was holding the art form of comedy back too because it was this velvet prison that existed that if you were a good boy or a good girl and you drew between the lines and you didn't say anything too crazy, you could get a sitcom or you could get a TV show. You could be a scene man. I have seen some action. Where people just like people who want to be actors take that comedy route. Yeah. You would also see a really good comics tone their shit down. They don't say what they actually think is funny anymore. They say what they think they can get away with and still get a TV show.

1:06:05Well, that's something that I noticed at the show of like having everybody's phones in the fair day bags or whatever those are. Like allows people to be a little bit more honest and direct or like really say what they want to say. And more importantly, it allows the audience to totally lock in. Yeah. Because for a lot of these people it's the only two hours of their whole life where they're not going to be on their phone. No, I know. Other than sleeping, you know, when you're locked in and you're at a live show, it's so fun. It's so good. It's the correct move for everybody. It's a correct move because of course everyone is working on new material and you don't want to get released before it's done because new material takes forever.

1:06:47Yeah. Yeah. It's like it'll take months for a bit to and sometimes it sucks at first or it's offensive. Like something's wrong with that. You got to I got to figure out a way that people are not mad because I'm not someone I'm trying to say. And you could figure it out, but it just takes a bunch of different iterations. And if someone fucking videotapes it and puts it up. Yeah. Like they did with Louis CK when he first came back. It screws up the whole process. It's like you're ruining that for literally millions of people because it's eventually going to get on Netflix and people are going to see it, but it's going to take time.

1:07:19It's not. It's not a simple process and we have to do it in front of people. That's the interesting thing about that art form too. Like you got to work shit out in front of humans. Yeah. It's not. I'm sure what which like the writing process in your head feels so much different. Yeah. There's a lot of processes. There's the on stage writing process. There's the writing process in your head and there's the idea process, which is the trickiest one because the most difficult thing with comedy really is coming up with a subject that's actually interesting to you. Where you really find humor in it.

1:07:56And if those are the ones when I can really find humor in something that's the ones that I dig into the most because I'm enjoying the shit out of the whole process of uncovering all the ridiculousness. But it has to be something where I'm like, what? What's out of the painting too? Like I'm entertaining myself first. Sure. And then hopefully that connects with people somewhere. Yeah, I think it's all together. I think tattooists are like that. I think musicians are like that. I think it's the meowaltomo sashi quote. Once you understand the way broadly you see it in all things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's beautiful.

1:08:30It is beautiful because I think you probably see it in the other things that you do. You see it in your art. You see it in Jiu -Jitsu and there's people out there that they're seeing it in writing. They're seeing it in sculpture. There's a thing, whatever it is that allows you to get really good at the thing that you love. That thing takes over while you're doing it and you're almost not there anymore. You're almost like a passenger. Yeah. Yeah. And that's when you know you hit the good spot. Like if I'm a big Bukowski fan and on his gravestone it says don't try. Like that's the insignia and then it's like a pair of boxing gloves.

1:09:06Another guy with a famous drunk. All of my favorite writers are self -destructed. I don't know why, but they are. Oh, I found this the other day about Hemingway. Hemingway always thought that the FBI was trying to get him. Apparently, apparently they actually were. Really? Yeah, they actually were. He thought that he was here also in this too, Jamie. You saw it? Yes, I saw it as like a meme one around the day. Oh, here it goes. The FBI investigated Ernest Hemingway for decades with surveillance beginning in the 1940s due to concerns about his activities in Cuba and his associations with individual suspected of communist ties.

1:09:42Well, initially dismissed his paranoia. It was later revealed that Hemingway's fears were grounded in reality and the FBI did moderate to him, even tapping his phones and intercepting his mail. The surveillance continued throughout his later years, including his time in the hospital and may have contributed to his mental anguish and suicide. Damn. Yeah, you can't fucking, what about booze? I can't drink every day. severe depression, 42 to 74 they studied him. Would you learn? That's that thing. There's that like, there's a meme or like somebody saying that like you have to be aware of the artist because they associate with everybody, you know?

1:10:24Like, they're not just locked into like an upper class society. Like, where I was staying, I made friends with three or four homeless guys just out on the street that I just kept seeing around town from being around. Like, we associate with everybody. There's no hierarchy of class. Well, I think if you really want to be open, like really open, you have to encounter a lot of different kinds of humans. Yeah. You know, especially if you're a comic, because you want to or a writer, if you want to understand people, you have to interact with them. Yeah, because if you especially as a writer, like you only have your own experience, if you just write your own experience, it's just going to come off as like every character is you.

1:11:09Exactly. Like to put yourself in the head of somebody else's, like you have to be open. Yeah, you have to be. And have like a certain form of empathy, right, to even understand how somebody else feels. But that's why there's the contradiction of the star comedian. Like that's where things get weird. Like the star comedian, because if you're a star and everybody's treated like, oh, Jerry Seinfelds, you're, take the pictures, like you're walking the red carpet, you're like, you got to be down with the people. You got to be in the nitty -gritty. Yeah, you got to find some trenches somewhere. You got to figure out the trenches, because if you don't, and I think, if you think about like my favorite comedians, they were all self -destructive too.

1:11:50All of them. Richer priors, who lit himself on fire. Like that's about a self -destructive against. Yeah, he can't us in cocaine and alcohol, Hicks, lots of drugs, and then cigarettes, till he got pancreatic cancer. They were all, at least some way, fighting some fucking thing inside their head. Yeah, it makes me wonder like how much of it is like, maybe that empathy is too much. Maybe that maybe you feel too much, you know, and you got to kind of, now, There's also, there's the, there's just the stress of the job itself. Yeah. Like, especially when you find success. Right. Because you got to keep that.

1:12:33You got to also still be putting out new stuff. Yeah. So you got a chance to see me. This is all new stuff. Right, this is the stuff that didn't, it wasn't on my Netflix special. Yeah. It's all in development. It's all like, and that process is, it's fun. I love it. Don't get me wrong. But like, before I go on stage, I'm amped up. I'm pacing. I'm moving around. I'm listening to knives. I got some music playing. I'm getting my dance on. I'm having an espresso. I'm fucking breathing. I'm like, huh. I want to get ready. That's how I always feel a little awkward in the green room. Like, I don't want to be too, like, I'll be like, Hi.

1:13:08Listen, you're cool in the green room. You know the hand of green rooms. There's some dudes that are a real problem. Yeah. Some dudes that start telling really terrible stories in the green room, you're like, Oh my God, this is so boring. We're going to get a movie. But the green room is supposed to be just for comics. You know, and sometimes people will bring in people that are not supposed to be in the green room. And like, I was actually telling a story about that yesterday. When we were all at the American comedy co in San Diego, when Doug was doing that, Doug Benson was doing the chronic con documentary.

1:13:38Do you remember that? Not really. It's a fucking long -ass time ago. But some guy came in who, I don't know, like a fucking investor or like somebody besieged. Oh, he was coked up, right? I don't know. He grabbed a Bud Light bottle as though it was a bomb. He was like, where's the weed? And like, like, he was going to like smoke a bomb load out of this Bud Light beer bottle, drop the bottle, broke it everywhere, like made a fucking scene. And I was like, what's this guy? What is going on? Like, just the way that people wax so fucking strange, almost like they have to perform. But their performance is horrible.

1:14:14Well, I don't think it's that. I think that is, that guy was on drugs, I think. And then also, I think they get anxious. They get anxious, right? Yeah. People just get weird. They don't know what to do. Yeah. Where's fucking strange? There's a lot of fucking people that are barely keeping it together out there, dude. So now I think that's me, but just barely hanging on. No, you're fine. Yeah. You're fine. But I think every artist feels like that. Yeah, every artist feels like it's one thing that they could do one day that's ruined their fucking life. They're always like that close to just... It's all just like this keeping it together thing that you have in your mind.

1:14:54And you have to have... You have to have some process that you do that keeps you on the work and not on the self -destructive path. Yeah. Because if you're a person that maybe has a drug issue and you're fighting that off and as long as you work all the time, like you're cool. But then if you wake up late that one day and you're like, I have to fucking one hit. Yeah. I'll be good for it through just one little fucker. Whoo! Just a little tipsy. I could stop in the beginning. I was only doing it every now and then. Yeah. You know, I can just go back to just like your moderation. I think it's good.

1:15:28You know, it really gives me a little pep up when I need it. And maybe your doctor gives you a little aterol. Yeah. Aterol is good, but two pills is better. Three pills is really... I get so productive. I think I'd get my company off the ground. If I could just really concentrate with these three pills. Yeah. And then you're fucked. And you're fucked. So it's like it's this balance that we all have. And it's not just artists. It's just people in life. It's like dealing with insecurities. Whatever the insecurity is, you could fucking mask it with, you know, some drug or alcohol or whatever. Or you could lean into it and be like, okay, I feel this way.

1:16:05I accept that. What can I do? I think the problem is the term insecurity. Because like, good Lord, everything is insecure. Like the secure things, a lot of secure things are really boring. I mean, these secure things that are awesome, you know? Yeah. But there's a lot of that that's not what it is. It's uncertainty. Uncertainty is what freaks you out. The options that are possible. The things that the possible results, the variables, all the different things. Yeah, and that's going to handcuff plenty of people. But you got to learn how to handle that. You know, I used to, when I was teaching, when I was teaching martial arts, I taught a lot of kids.

1:16:46And I had a lot of kids compete in tournaments. I really loved doing that. I really loved it when they really got into it and they got better. And I could see them improving. And then winning tournaments, it was amazing. But I remember I would, some kids would really struggle with competition. And I would tell them, that's because you're smart. And I go, you see these people that are not worried about this? They don't know what can happen to them. They're delusional. They think they're going to be okay no matter what. But you're smart. You know that this is dangerous. Yeah. That's good. You just have, you got to use that.

1:17:22You got to just hang on to it, use it. And then get in there and you'll be fine. Once the fight starts, you're not going to be scared anymore, which is weird. Yeah. When the fight starts, then it's just happening. It's just happening. And it's all automatic. And it's all, you know, you have instincts and you have an understanding of the game. But you also have just, just dialed in technique. That's all it is. It's all about the execution of all the things you practiced. And it all just happens. But the lead up is so bad. The anxiety before when you're sitting in the locker room waiting for your time, you're like, fuck.

1:18:01And I would just tell them, I would go, you got to understand this sucks. But this is just something, if you just can accept that this is here, accept that it's here. And recognize that this is a gift. And this is here because you're smart. And the reason why you're worried about all these possibilities is because you're intelligent enough to recognize that that's the thing. Yeah, you're looking for the outcomes and then figuring out, wait, that's kind of what I was talking about before. Like predicting outcomes and figuring out solutions to problems that have yet to occur. Like when you're thinking that far ahead, like that's a different chess game.

1:18:34Yeah. And in the dull -minded knitwits out there that don't have any fear. There's a reason they don't have any fear because they don't have the capacity to comprehend all the possibilities. Yeah. So if some guy is like, doesn't know how to fight at all, you've seen this a hundred times on videos online. And he gets in someone's face and that guy is like, pang, just crack some like, that dull -minded shithead, he is not the fearful one. He's not the, he's not the intelligent one. The intelligent people are fearful. You should be fearful. It's good. It helps you. Yeah. Especially if you're about to do something difficult.

1:19:09And you should do difficult shit because it teaches you about yourself. And if you don't learn about yourself, you're always going to wonder. And that's the problem with like a lot of men in the world, a lot of chess puffy, a lot of like fucking really arrogant, aggressive people. Like it's because they don't know themselves. So they're trying to impose a version of themselves on other people to be respected. Yeah. You know, you find this in these fucking like business CEOs and execs were like really aggressive and they weigh 80 pounds. Like this is what this is. It's like they're finding a way to try to figure out who the fuck they are.

1:19:50They don't even know themselves. And that's one of the things I like, I fucking know myself. I spent so much time with myself in like a clear sort of frame of thought, knowing my limitations, knowing what I've accomplished when I was even more limited. Like if anything, that's I think this whole process is a different process between an artist and like say someone who wants to be famous or somebody who wants to be worshipped. Someone who wants to be the head of a company or the president of the United States or somebody wants to be beyond reproach. Nobody who wants to be president should ever be president.

1:20:23100%. Yeah. Yeah. It should be, but then again, yeah. Yeah. You know, if you got like some bonnet, some truly benevolent dictator that we're all waiting for. We're all waiting for like the benevolent leader. We're just going to take control of it, but do it for the people. You know Marcus Aurelius, someone who just really really does have the people's best wishes in mind. Human greed is too fucking strong. It's too strong. And anybody that's willing to go through that process, that brutal process, you know, like all the stuff that's in the news today. I mean, there's still there's possible legal ramifications of things that happened in the 2016 election that we're hearing about today.

1:21:06Yeah. It's like these people are gross. Like you the whole thing. It's the opposite of the Austin comedy community. So like if we had to choose a president of the Austin comedy community, it wouldn't be that hard. Like whoever wins is great. You know, if Shane wins great, if Duncan wins great, who are you going to elect? Who cares? Everyone's cool. But the the presidential world is like, no, no, no, no, no, no, you have the backings of enormous, enormous military industrial complex corporations. Yeah, corporations, enormous amounts of money, Pentagon budgets, beyond Comprehension. Yeah. It's going to be a trillion dollars this year.

1:21:53What does that even fucking mean? What does this mean? So like the the the ability to be at the helm of that, like there's going to be no cooperation with the left and the right. And you're seeing what happens when one group gets in the power. What's the first thing they do? Like what they do when they got in the power? They immediately went after Trump. They hit him with a ton of different fucking legal charges. Most of them didn't make any sense. The fuck that all the crazy shit about overestimating his property in Mar -a -Lago. Like that is the way they were using the law is like, oh my god, he people are gross.

1:22:28Yeah, it does. On both sides, on both fucking sides. That's the whole system is so fucking corrupted. And it's so obvious like we're at a stage where like we have enough information to see. Yeah. Like that how much greed and money just corrupts the system. But we I don't think we really got to see it until Trump ran. I think you got to see it unveiled in a way when Trump ran that you never got to see before. Because also you got the rise of independent journalism that happens at the same time. Yeah. So if people that record report just on the facts, not like this CNN fucking lean or the Fox News lean.

1:23:07But just like just reports on exactly what's happening and how it happened. That just didn't exist before. So you get an understanding if you're paying attention and you follow those people and a lot more people are than ever before, you get a way different understanding of how gross this game is. Yeah. And because the guy was so polarizing and because he was such an easy guy to turn into a Nazi like you pointed to him, you're like this is that this is our fucking look out of the way he talks. Yeah. He's he's going to ruin the world. It's a threat to democracy. We could do anything we can to stop him.

1:23:38So what do they do? They stop all of primaries. They don't have real primaries anymore. They haven't had a real primary since 2012. They rig them. They're rig it with Bernie Sanders. They rig it with RFK Jr. You know, they're just the whole business is gross. It's gross. I wish us as humans were all like together enough to just self -govern. You would need you would need people to enter into politics at the highest level that didn't need the money. And really were good people that really wanted to just change the tone of how everything is governed. And that's going to be so hard to do because the money is so nuts.

1:24:22And then you see do you see the Nancy Pelosi thing? The new one. I she was being interviewed and then it was like I didn't want to talk about that. Yeah, put that on. And as a goober, he's nicks it in. She's like, I came in here to talk about the anniversary of Medicaid. Like she can't even Medicaid. She's worth an estimated $400 million now. How? What's the salary? $70 ,000 a year? 170 grand a year? Something like that 200 grand a year maybe. You know, but watching the panic in her face realizing that Trump is now president and they're they're talking about literally going after her for insider trading and the undeniable evidence that they have had better results on the stock market than literally anyone ever.

1:25:05Yeah, and they have access to information about laws are going to be passed. Yeah, if that's not inside of trading, what the fuck is? And that's what I mean. The the the greed. The level of greed is so strong that you should got that video. She might even have good intentions getting it off. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. Or anybody. Any shot your mouth. I feel like it's a system that demons that corrupts. Yes. The minute you get in. I think so. I think if you want to succeed. Like what happens? Maybe you have these idealistic. I'd you know perspectives on how politics works or what you can do in your contribution.

1:25:42And then you get in and you're like, oh Jesus. Yeah, it does work now to survive. Yeah, like I've had candid conversations with Tulsi Gabbard about what it was like. And she's a person. She was like, tries to be friends with everybody tries to reach across the aisles. She's got that whole aloha spirit. And she was like, it's crazy. Like it's like the just the the mound of. Backstabbing that's going on. Like when she got into office. Like first of all, you realize like you're not really in control of everything. Because there's another person who's in control of each individual department. And they'll stop whatever you're trying to do every step of the way.

1:26:20They get in the way of everything. And what are you going to do? You're going to replace everybody. And how you going to find qualified people to take those jobs as guys have been at that fucking. He's been the czar of this commission for 25 years. He knows like all the ties and all the financial agreements. Here, let's watch this because it's so funny. Let me just read what he said. I'm sorry that we had some sort of technical issue. Nancy Pelosi became rich. I might have to read that. We're going to talk about the 60th anniversary of Medicaid. That's what I agreed to come to talk about. But I want that means in the election.

1:26:50I wanted to give you a chance to respond. He accused you of insider trading. What's your response to that? It's ridiculous. In fact, I very much support the stops the trading of members of Congress. Not that I think anybody's doing anything wrong. If they are, they are prosecuted and they go to jail. But because of the confidence that it stills in the American people don't worry about this. But I have no concern about the obvious investments that had been made over time. I'm not into it. My husband is, but it isn't anything to do with anything insider. But the president has his own exposure. So he's always projecting.

1:27:31He's always projecting. And let's not give him any more time on that. Please. I'm going forward here. And I'm very proud of my family. And while he might make fun of us, while somebody inspired by him breaks into our home and hits my husband over the head. And he thinks that's a riot. I'd rather not go into some of my other complaints about him right now. Rather to talk about the 60th anniversary of Medicaid. Okay. Okay. Okay. First of all, what crazy projection? She immediately turned herself into a victim. She immediately went from a Jake Tab was like, what's your response? This is her day. There's nothing was insider.

1:28:12And I think we have 400 million dollars, whatever, whatever. What's really important is Trump inspired a man who broke first of all, how do you know? That guy was a literal crazy person that broke into that house. Yeah, that was a weird fucking thing to get so frenic. He had a hammer. He smashed the back window. He broke into the house. Paul thought that he could talk to the guy down. It looked like Paul had a drink in his hand. So he's probably a little lit. Yeah, probably a little more calm that he should have been. And then the cops are at the door and the dude hit some in the head with a hammer.

1:28:42That guy was a crazy person. You're blaming Donald Trump for that. No. That's so nuts that you have gone from. You made an insane amount of money. A lot of people say you're inside of trading. What's your response? That's my husband got hit in the hair with a hair. There was black belt said deflection. It's funny. You know, it's because it's all because the president is a lot of exposure. Yeah, because it's funny. Trump does the same shit with her. If he's on the hot seat, Nancy Pelosi. Yeah, you know, it's that they all have that like natural deflection. Yeah, man, it's like, and it's like we all fucking accepted somehow.

1:29:16Like we might make fun of it or like be like because my bullshit meter goes off all the fucking time. Like you're fucking lying to me right now. You can see it. There's a reason why that whole ability to trade stocks is still in position. And it's because they want it there. They make a shit ton of money. The general public insider information. They have to figure out at what point in time is just too dangerous. And who's willing to like make this a law? Who's willing to change this? And are the what politicians are going to sign our board for that because they're actually voting against their own self interest.

1:29:52Yeah, right. If they all decide like it's like they're playing chicken like as long as they don't do it. Yeah, as long as they don't do it, then they can still make a ton of money. But if you look at the numbers like if you look at like who's making money on the stock market, it is not all Nancy Pelosi. It is red blue, red blue, red blue. It's pretty much down the middle. Yeah, I mean, as long as you could skirt the the legalities, why would you not take information that you have gained and tried to. Yeah, utilize it to your improvement. And you're hanging out with Harry, the senator from fucking South Dakota or whatever and Harry's got a yacht.

1:30:31Like how did you get a yacht Harry? Like, you know, the Bobby's got his own private jet. How'd you get your own jet, Bob? You're a congressman. Like what are you doing? And those people that are able to generate that kind of wealth. And I think she's like the poster girl for it. Unfortunately, but it's not her. Like who's made the most? Yeah, let's find that out. I don't know if this is officially the most, but there's people that have made more than her. Yeah, I'm sure they have. Where's it say though more than 20. Okay, more than 20 members made almost double the S &P 500 average gain, which is crazy.

1:31:07Yeah. So it's like 0 .5 % more, but percentage more. Okay. David Rouser Republican North Carolina, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Democrat Florida, Ron Wyden, Democrat Oregon, Roger Williams, Republican Texas. See, that's the point. It's like it's not blue. It's not red. It's just corruption across the board. They're all doing it. If you're making more than 50%, that's bananas. That's bananas. Yeah. Like what is their hold on? Scroll it back down. Scroll down. Okay, look at this. The Pelosi one. And almost cult like following for her financial disclosure, saw the value of her household's portfolio rise by 71 % in recent years.

1:31:53Like that kind of trading is super unusual. Yeah. To make more than double the average gain of 24 .9. So make more than 50%. That's crazy. Nobody does that. No. And how did how do you explain that? And how do you explain those superstitions? Yeah. When you look at the decisions, like she dumped stock and then three months later, some big bill comes down the line that fucks that company. Yeah. She buys stock and then three months later, some big bill that comes down that, you know, they're funding for this new project. It's crazy. Whether it doesn't use official sold stocks before Trump's tariffs sent the market plunging.

1:32:32Of course they did. Yeah. Well, how about when Trump tweets out to buy? Remember that? That was part of this. Yeah. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. It's like, hey, don't do that. It's crazy. It is. There's no money too. How about that? And yet still like poor people are sitting here arguing about who's the better person. Like it's fucking wild. Like they're all corrupt and they're all fucking us. Some less than others. Some are. Some are. Certainly. Certainly. Talk. You know, and that's I think that's when you see like the South Park episode with Trump. Like I know we're not we're not in a fascist state yet.

1:33:09You know what I mean? We're still okay. Exactly. We're still as long as South Park exists. Roca. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, it's all weird, man, because this system is completely fucked. It's completely fucked. And we don't want it to be and they wanted to stay the way it is. And so there's this weird thing where they have to get elected. So to get elected, they have to say the things that we want them to say. So then we believe it every year. Like fucking Charlie Brown going to kick that football loose pulls it away. Yeah. But what the weirdest thing to me is that we're in this complete shifting of the polls where the Republicans now are in favor of free speech.

1:33:51The Republicans want to end the wars. They want to stop contributing to foreign countries. They you know, they're they want comedy to be comedy again. They don't want restrictions on people's behavior and thinking. Yeah. And the Democrats have developed this sort of like cult like idea of what everyone should accept and what's normal and what's not normal and what needs to be what needs to be elevated in our population. And what needs to be ignored and it's just like, God damn you guys are you're ruining it for everybody that thinks in a left way like everybody who's reasonable like a reasonable left thinking person, which is most artists, by the way.

1:34:34Yeah. Of course. And then you get to this point where you're like, no, I can't go along with you on all these things. Yeah. You guys are you're just a bunch of fucking assholes who are using these subjects as a way where you can behave incredibly shitty, incredibly uncharitable like vicious mean ostracizing people from society. I don't want any part of you. I'm one part of the way you guys think and behave and you pretend that you're doing it for good. You're doing it for you're gluing yourself to the wall for climate change. The fuck you are. Yeah. You're just a nut. You're just a crazy entitled nut and you're fucking up society.

1:35:10This is not the way that people should be behaving. And I can't believe it makes people go to the Republicans are smarter about it. Now in this day and age, because they're like, hey, we'll take in. Hey, it's fine. Come over to us. You could say whatever you want. Come. He's back. You know, it's a big ebb and flow to me. It's like it's like some weird natural balance of like things shift a little bit to the left. Yeah, shift a little bit to the right. But we got to hold the center. If we motherfuckers could just figure out like we're so we have so much in common. People just generally who would be considered more left or more right.

1:35:46And it's just a few things. Yeah. That really are the basis of our our contention. Well, the real problem is the team aspect of it. That's the it's fucking retarded. Yeah, sure. Retarded. Yeah, you can say it. Why do you say I'm joking. Thank God you're joking. Some people panic. Please edit that out. No, retards back. It's just, you know, I think it's going to take time. But I think we're going to eventually get to a place where we work it out. And my best hopes of AI is my best hopes because it could just ruin the whole world and take over everything we could become slaves. Yeah, my best hopes are it gets to a point of efficiency and intelligence where corruption like that is impossible.

1:36:33And it figures out a way to organize government spending in a way that actually helps us. Because that's what we want the left and the right both want like our tax dollars to be used to benefit the like everyone. Yes, unless you're running a business and you can get an advantage and that's where it gets gross because those people can tell me so much. And I think AI is probably going to recognize that it's going to say listen, you want to really fix this. You have to stop this competitive advantage. Well, it's our ape genes, right? We're just fucking more advanced apes. That's it. And we still have a you know, a tribal mentality that's encoded in our fucking DNA.

1:37:16And we have to we have to elevate above that. Yep. And that just takes like avoid and greed. And it's also it's like what you do when you paint is you focus on creating this thing. Like this is what you're focused on. What they're focused on is numbers in a bank account. And they're focused on getting those numbers in there. And they're fucking obsessed with getting those numbers. And so all those other steps that they do, like you're trying to figure out your painting, you're trying to like brush techniques and different things, you're trying different angles, maybe shadowing it differently. What they're doing is trying to figure out how to push this and push that and get this politician to make this legal.

1:37:52And that way they can make more money. And the Nancy Pelosi's like we're going to pass it Paul put in put in the wager because it's basically wagering right. Yeah, buy the stocks. It's going to roll. But if you have all the cards marked. Yeah, it is. And it's some it's fucking it's a real unfortunate thing. And how do you avoid that? Because you really you want corporations, you want them to make Apple fucking laptops and shit. You want a Samsung TV. You want these things, right. So how do you, how do you motivate. How do you get people that are motivated to make the best products in the world?

1:38:30And every year, make them better and not have them think only about making money to the point where they're willing to bribe politicians so that they can pollute a river in India. Yeah. And that's what's so different about artists. It's like we I oppose I would make paintings my whole life. Nobody bottom nobody gave a shit about them. I would still make them and would give them away or put them in a fucking closet somewhere. Like we for me, I saw like art as a way that maybe I could get out of like the area that I was in. Like I could grow a little bit. But at the at the same time, like doing the work was what was important.

1:39:06And what came with that was secondary. It was all just added bonus. Right. Right. So like if I worked if I was selling fucking wheels or car tires. Like I would only be thinking about the how much money can I make right. That's the problem. Especially if it's not if you're not like a wheel and car tire enthusiast is one thing. Yeah, if you love it. Yeah. Like I know dudes who work on cars and they they fucking love it, especially builders. Yeah. Like my friend Steve Strobe who's been on the podcast for who made my Nova. That guy loves working on cars. He loves it. I mean, that is his art. But he makes custom made cars.

1:39:47And it's like to him is just like making a song. It's just like making a painting. Yeah. But when you're only thinking about money, man, those are the people that are the hardest to hang out with. Like you ever hang out with financial people. Like you ever get stuck at a party in New York with a cooked up financial guy. Have you seen this fucking Derek Moneyburg fella? Oh, is he the Giu Gitsu guy? Yeah, got his black belt three and a half years. Right. But he is is he legit because he's with legit people. So I can't imagine. Jake Shields is a savage like all the respect. And Jake says he's legit.

1:40:22I think Jake gave him his black belt. Well, then he's legit. There's no way. I know Jake. There's no way. Jake is his Giu Gitsu's top of the food chain. Yeah. And I know Gordon is trained with them. I know all these other people trained with him.

1:40:43Yeah. This guy is who trains with the best trainers in the world and actually puts the time in every day. It's super easy to dismiss someone because they're rich. Super easy. Yeah. Zuckerberg is the primary example of that. Right. I know for a fact Zuckerberg trains really fucking hard. Yeah. And he goes with real guys. And he brings in people like Dave Camerillo trains with him. He's trained with a ton of people. Yeah. So he takes it very seriously. He has access to incredible trainers and he's an obsessive. He's a very competitive obsessive person. Sure. So you could say, oh, he's got $200 billion.

1:41:18He can't kick my ass. That's a fucking you up. That nerdy dude will fuck you up. And it's because he is actually put in the time. Now he doesn't have the time that this Derek Moneyburg guy has. Yeah. If this guy's got, if he's putting in like hours and hours every single day, which is what I heard that he was like literally training multiple hours a day every fucking day at Jiu Jitsu, you can get to black belt level. I don't know if he is, you know, but I know that if those guys say he is, I believe them. That's I I told somebody is like, let me just see him do an arm bar from close guard. Let me just see how how sloppy that is and then I'll know for sure or not sloppy at all.

1:41:56Yeah. Then exactly. Right. Why doesn't he just like show some drilling? That's all it would take. You don't even have to show me you rolling. Let me see some tight drills. Yeah. That's all I would. Yeah. Let me see you go through. But you know, he doesn't have to. But then again, you kind of do have to if you project the fact that you're doing that. Yeah. If you take some sort of like braggadocious sort of like three three years, seven months got my black belt. Right. You should probably show something. Like, hey, let me show you guys. Yeah. You know, because otherwise. Because when I start I was doing fucking to a day to a morning class night class.

1:42:32And yeah, you know, none of that came fucking fast for me. But you might not have been the most naturally athletic guy. True. Yeah. True. But night classes and day classes are great. But one on one is the ultimate. If you're a guy like him and you can get John Donner, her to coach you, you can get Gordon Ryan to coach you. You can get all those Jake shields. All I mean, I've seen photos and videos of him from training sessions with the best guys in the world. Yeah. So if you can get and you're hiring them. Yeah. It could be a cheat code or it's 100 % a cheat code. Yeah. It's 100 % if you do it.

1:43:06Yeah. You actually do the work. It's 100 % a cheat. Sure. But that's the that's the thing. Like you have to actually be training. Like really hard. It's not as simple as you know those guys. You talk to those guys. They give you the fucking secret handshake. And now you go to Jiu -Jitsu. Right. The only way to get good at Jiu -Jitsu is hard work. That's it. Yeah. And I could never see somebody like Jake shields like fucking giving out a belt that wasn't deserved. No, no, no. It's like when you hear Guy Richie is a black belt. You go really? And then he hears a Hanzo Gracie black belt. You go, oh, yeah.

1:43:38Okay. He's legit. Yeah. But it is not a lot of fake Jiu -Jitsu black belts out there, man. Yeah. I feel like we used to see more of them back in the day. Oh, yeah. There'd be like those funny videos of. Like somebody just. Oh, Eddie caught a couple of those. Yeah. There's a bunch of those videos where guys shows up at a school. And he's got a blood belt on and then he rolls of people and he gets tortured. Yeah. That was like before YouTube existed or any social media existed. You can kind of get away with it. Yeah. Well, I think people they're crazy. There's certain people that are just completely schizophrenic.

1:44:10And they just. Yeah. They get it in their head. And they just. You know, they're not even trying to like con people. It's just they've really truly believe in what their their mind is telling them. Well, that might be possible. But I think there's also a bunch of people that their whole life is a con. It's like a series of lies from the beginning to the end. It's just they never live in the truth. And so for them to put on a black belt is just the latest of. Yes. I was reading about this guy that like said he was a doctor and like did surgery on people for years. Yeah. His people that are nuts man.

1:44:41There's one out of three pilots in I think it's Pakistan doesn't have a license. That's a lot of. They have fake licenses. Yeah. That's true. I know I saved the article. I don't feel like going into my phone again. But it was like Jesus Christ. Like imagine you're on a plane and the guy doesn't really know how to fly. Yeah, it's fucking horrifying. Who's he? How does he figure out how to land that fucking thing? I mean, you know what a pull out the amount of intelligence to pull that off. Like you probably could have got your fucking pilots license. Well, after a con a few successful flights, you would think that the guy would just go ahead and get the license.

1:45:23You're already doing the thing. That's like I see artists in art school. I'm like you're already making art. Yeah. You know how? It's a story from five years ago. So I don't know if it's changed. Almost one in three pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses. I didn't take the test. Oh my God. 262 pilots in the country did not take the exam themselves and had paid someone else to sit in on their behalf. They don't have flying experience. He said Pakistan has eight hundred sixty active pilots serving in its domestic airlines, including the country's Pakistan International Airlines flagship as well as a number of foreign carriers.

1:46:00Oh my God. How many crashes are they having? I mean, if they're keeping them in the air, right ambitious dudes. Yeah. Sometimes you don't need a diploma. I found that out because of a crash. Oh, oops. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Oh my God. That's so great. People are so nuts, man. If you let them be nuts, they will be nuts. Yeah. I think. I got to have like people don't want any regulations. You want anarchy. Like, shut your mouth. Shut up. I have this idea of like an altruistic anarchism where it's like everybody just treats everybody kindly and the way that you would want to be treated. That would be great.

1:46:41Yeah. But it's so it's worth the our fucking eight mind is there's too many of us that are fucking nuts. Yeah. And greedy and like just out for self. And I get it. Like it makes sense. Like there's a lot of self preservation that comes with that. But if we could all just kind of pull the thing and pull our shit together self preservation makes sense when you're surrounded by a bunch of people that are also selfish. Right. That's part of the problem is like if you if you get lucky and you find a good crew. Like early on in your life of people are down with you. They're your friends and they love you no matter what life is way easier.

1:47:20Yeah. It's way easier. And there's people out there that man they don't fucking have that they don't they have a bunch of people around them that suck just in a form of competition at all times. I mean, I'm a lucky person. I'm a very lucky person. But I think the biggest luck that I have is the people that I've met in my friends. Yeah. Because it makes your life so much better. Well, I mean it shows like how much you you support your friends too. Like. Like the idea that if we can all get lifted up together versus I'm going to step on your shoulders and work my way to the fucking top. But not only that, but it also shows that this my way works.

1:47:59Yeah. You don't it doesn't hurt you to make other people successful or to help other people get more successful or to just to tell people they're awesome and give them there as the kids call their flowers. That's the kid I struggle with that one. The young hip hop kids like to say that giving their flowers. But you know, it used to be given their props. But it's like that. If you really love that person, that's good for everybody. That's good for you too. Like the people that want to step on that person to elevate themselves like you're just ruining your own life. You're you're missing the big picture.

1:48:36Yeah. It's not necessary. It's not necessary even in a competitive environment, even in something you're competing like your friends. These people that you're competing with they help you. Yeah. They really did. It's almost a necessity. I think it's a necessity with comedy for sure. Yeah. No, I always say this a no great comedy exists in a vacuum. I mean, there's people that have talent that are in the middle of nowhere and some real small local scene. And they could become a great comic one day. But they're not going to on their own. Yeah. They have to be around great comics. They can't just see them on YouTube.

1:49:08They got to see like David Tell live. You know, you got to see something like that where you're like, whoa, you know, you got to see Colin Quinn live. You got to see these people that are masters and see the thing that they do and get inspired by it. Yeah. And to start to learn it. Yeah. Understand the process. Like that's the same thing for me. Like I thought I was going to be like, like, do the Sunday comics in the newspaper. Like as a kid. Like, I didn't know I didn't know what people did to make money making art. Will you in a comic books at all? Not really. But I like, I was more leaning towards that kind of aspect of like, this is how you can survive.

1:49:48Like, actually pay your bills and make art. But you just wanted to make art. This one to make art. Right. And it took. I became an assistant for a really well known artist who, you know, ran a design firm did fine art. Like ran that like was just like, like at the top of his game. And I didn't go to art school, but I saw what he was doing. And a couple other artists like in the same same area, but I was like, okay, you're you're making paintings. You're working with these companies to do some design. That design money is going back into your art practice. Like it was just being able to see how something exists.

1:50:34And then knowing like, okay, I could do that. Right. We're already doing the same process. But here is the sort of market of it. Here's how you survive. And here's how you continue to grow and thrive. That's how you become a professional. That's how you become a professional. But I mean, for if you're, you know, in fucking Wyoming somewhere, you might not have these people that you see. You might you're so disconnected from a community. You might not know. And then you're like, well, I got to give this this art thing up and, you know, right. Get a job because I got to pay bills because you just don't actually have the awareness that there is a pathway.

1:51:10And this is the failure of the school system because it never teaches kids that are artists or people that have alternative ways of existing in society that there's ways to make a career. I got kicked out of the only art class I ever took. This motherfucker, we had to draw up a shoe or something. And I turned mine into like a robot because I didn't like how the shoe was turning out. And he said, you have to draw a shoe or I'm failing you. I'm going to kick you out of the class. You have to draw a shoe. And I just kicked me out then. And I knew like, you know, like 15, 16 that like art is what I decided is that nobody else can say what the fucking rules are.

1:51:50Like this is for me to do. And now I forget as fucking I wish I knew I remembered his name and tell him to fuck off. There's a lot of those guys in term people. I had a high school art teacher turn me off to art too. He was just a dick. And then I found out that the most talented guy in the class is kid John DeVore who I still contact every now and then we talk on email. He was the most talented guy. He gave that guy an F. And I go, no. So it's like I hadn't communicated with John since I left art class. But we did a bunch of stuff together. We did a bunch of drawings together. And when do you ever draw a new?

1:52:24No, not really. No. I do sometimes with my daughter. One of my daughters is really talented. I draw sometimes with her. But for the most part, no, it's interesting. I did a little drawing on vacation. We were drawing stuff together. It was fun. But you don't just don't have the time to get obsessed with it. Sure. I'm obsessed with too many things. I have to manage my. I'm still angry to start golfing. No, no, no, no, no. No, no. Pudding is pulling his pool on an undulated warped table. Oh, I understand. I did read at it. Listen, I know everybody that I know that I love who's into it is obsessed.

1:53:01And that's part of the problem. Yeah. It's like, I know what's coming. And I know it's like a fucking multiple hour thing. You got to dress like an asshole or a stupid shoe. You have to dress like an asshole. And then I see all these fucking fights where people are fighting on the golf courses. Do you see that drunken guy that got in with a hockey enforcer? Yeah, through the fucking lake. First of all, the size of that guy, the fact you're squaring up, but you're just bluffing and you're squaring up with this fucking. That's one of those spots where people think they're way fucking tougher. If they got a bag full of clubs, then they actually are people get out of fucking control on it.

1:53:38What's his dudes? It's so dumb. And it's drinking too. The guy was clearly hammered. And I think he made a video afterwards apologizing. Yeah, good. Because he was just drunk. He's just drunk and he got stupid, but he got stupid. That's what I always tell people. Don't get in fights one day. You're going to get in fight with a guy who knows what he's doing and you're going to get fucked up. Imagine that fucking fear. When he got grabbed by that fucking hockey player. He got his jacket. He's just fucking hair when it was right hand. What a nightmare. I hope he was like, wow, I really made a poor choice here.

1:54:09No, at that time he was just drunk as fuck and probably thinking, I'm going to get him back. Yeah, I'm going to get him back. Because I know what that fear feels like when somebody really fucking, like, you know, in a gym scenario. And somebody really grabs you and you're like, oh fuck. There's nothing I could do right now. Like I tapped to big dogs side control. He squeezed me so fucking hard. It felt like my ribs were going to come out of my mouth. Oh, God. And I was like a blue belt. Maybe he's still a white belt. And I tapped to side control. That's crazy. And I started thinking, well, what if he was fucking punching me too?

1:54:41Well, also he's way bigger than you. No, he was fucking massive. Yeah, he's way bigger than you. The amount of pressure if you're a really big person, you put down on a small person. It's really kind of unbearable. But even somebody who's like my same, same weight or whatever, like that, when you really, like, I'm fucking wrapped up. And like if this person wanted to, they could end to me right now. Oh, yeah. That was always the most eye opening to me when I'd roll with guys who are 30, 40 pounds lighter than me. And they just fuck me up. Immediately, I was like, I never want to act tough in public again ever.

1:55:13Like that fear of like, yeah, there was somebody, I got in. There was a guy who was, I was in a, like a time period where I was partying a lot. This guy was just being a dick to a bunch of people, said something shitty to my friend. And I'm trying to walk away. And it just like, my brain was just like, say something. And I was just like, why are you being a fucking dick? Like, you know, and he puffed up and started coming at me. And like, he like swiped something out of my hand. And immediately my instincts kicked into Jiu Jitsu. I grabbed, he had like a, like a, like a flannel on. I grabbed his collar, like a lapel.

1:55:49And I grabbed his wrist and just get it, like immediately I was just going to throw him. And then like the other voice in my head is like, the guy had a dog actually who wasn't on leash. And I was like, if I throw this guy on his head right now and his dog runs in the street, I'm gonna feel a little guilty. But I sensed in him that, you know, like when a grappler, like grabs your wrist, like you feel it. It feels different than somebody else. It's someone else that they're doing. Yeah, like immediately grabbed both and like put the squeeze on him that I could read in his eyes. Like, oh, that wasn't normal.

1:56:22And then I was like, no, no, no, like let go. And then he like walked away talking shit. That's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, perfect. And, you know, that's really rare for me. But it was like he had said something shitty to somebody. But to have somebody grab you like that and the fear that can come with that, I would never want to experience that in real life. No, like fucking horrifying. Well, street fights are stupid. They're terrible. And the people that know how to fight don't do them. They don't want anything to do with it. You should just go to a gym. Yeah, go to a gym. Have you ever this desire?

1:56:59Did you see this video recently? That's what yesterday you guys make me think of it. What happened? This guy on top. They're saying the guy in the bombs of White Belt. He gets choked out without the use of arms. It's all legs here. Get to put in the arm. Oh, this is so rude. Why is he doing this to a White Belt? Well, I mean, the training, I guess. I know, but it's a White Road. That's for the ride. We could go to you guys being experts. Yeah, Eddie could do that. Very rude. Well, it's kind of rude, but it's also that guy is just training. He's just using that guy as a practice dummy. I do that super enough to try and goals.

1:57:35It's kind of rude. But I mean, what do you want to happen if you roll with a White Belt? Do you want him to win? Like you want to let him win? No. Like what do you do? You tap him. You tell him what to do along the way. Like you got to protect this arm. This arm's in a bad spot. Don't reach back like that because you open yourself up for the arm triangle. You got to tell him, T -Rex, keep your arms in tight. That's how I coach. Yeah, you have time training with somebody. Like, I'm talking them through it. I'll do the thing where I tell them what I'm going to do before I do it. Yeah. So that they can start to work out their defenses.

1:58:04Right. And like get an idea. Oh, that's good. Because there's a black belt. Like you can beat everybody up. Like that kind of loses some of its shine after a while. I think that guy was using that dude as just a training dummy. He was like, I could just work my time. He was just working on his legs. Yeah. Yeah. Because if you can cinch up a triangle, even on a White Belt with no legs, at least you're getting reps in. No, yeah. And it probably makes it like somewhat more difficult. It's better than that dummy. I have collecting dust in my gym. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That doesn't fight back at all.

1:58:32Just like slight resistance. You know what I do use though? I use that Bubba dummy. You know that thing? The punching dummy. It's like the rubber. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, with the big word. There's something good for that. Just target practice. It's good. You can't kick it too hard because it falls over. But if you can kick the face, you can slap the face. Yeah. And there's something about those that just you want to kind of give them a little bit of the business. Yeah. Fuck you, Bob. We have one sitting right next to our boxing ring in the gym and I always post up and it's really good for practicing certain kicks.

1:59:05It's really good for question mark kicks because there's a shoulder element. And with a question mark kick, you're really trying to go over the shoulder. Yeah, a little. Yeah, like the Glaubefotosa. The Fitosa one. Glaubefotosa. Fitosa had the absolute best question mark kick of all time. And his question mark kick would come down on you. So it would go over the shoulders and just chop down. And like that Bob dummy is great for practicing that. It's like the best thing for practicing because the bag is so straight. You know, the bag kicking down like that is like it's, you don't have a real target.

1:59:38Yeah. Like you do with that Bob dummy because you're really trying to get the neck. You're really trying to go over the top and get that neck just like. Yeah. Such a strange looking kick too. Oh yeah, it works though, man. Yeah. That fucker works. That works a lot because like you're worried about that front kick to the guts. So you'll do this, you know, or you think a low kick is coming. And then it comes over the top and by the time it's, you don't react it is. You can't react in time. Yeah, like you're already planning to get kicked in the leg and by the time you figured out it's in your fucking ear.

2:00:05Exactly. And the guys that are good with like Luke Rockhold has a nasty one. Yeah, guys that are good with it like, woof. Woof. It's just so sneaky. Woof. Over the top. Yeah. That's another. Imagine just running into some Thai guy who you think you could throw around. You're just fucking blast you with a fucking knee. Not only that, the trips, they're so good at tying up in the clinch and dumping people. Have you ever trained with like a guy who's really good at tripping you? Yeah. As soon as you tie up, whoops. Your leg is up and you're like, mother fucker. That's what I always want to throw like flying like ankle bucks.

2:00:40Yeah. Well, that's the difference between like Moe Thai and Jiu Jitsu because in Jiu Jitsu, okay, you threw me to the ground. Now we're just started. Yeah. And now I have a hold of your leg. Then the referee's not going to stand us up. I'm going to break your knee like you dumbass. You threw me down with an inside control. I have an inside hook. It's like a fucking superpower too, man. Yeah. I'm so glad I found it. Like I owe a lot to you, I think, like the way you spoke of it, like back then, to like even just to get into the gym. Because that's the fucking hardest part. Like crossing that door path and getting on the mat.

2:01:14Like there's so many days where you're going to be like, I don't want to do that. Like I don't feel like it. But as soon as you get there, it's like so worthwhile and so valuable. Yeah, you just got to force yourself to do it. And that's something I really owe to Eddie. Eddie is crazy, you know, like creative and abstract. And he has super disciplined when it comes to his training. He was always like super super disciplined. Well, you can see it. Like my game is very similar to like to Eddie's and like Lucas Letch. Like that just wherever you can get a hold of the leg. Like I pull, I like to pull to Cordegard.

2:01:50You know what I mean? Like I like to play from there. And like I'm curious, I want to know how many people have the lockdown muscle in their fucking calf. I've got a lot to do. No, there has to be there. Yeah, but I've never seen one. And it's so fun. Get that tip bar, dark. Get that thing. Get that thing. It's trying to get you into it. You put like a little plate on it and you lift, you lift with your foot. It's legit, man. Now you can do tip bar raises where you just stand on your heels and lean against the wall. Just lift your foot up over and over and over again. That does it too. But the tip bar thing you could do it with weight.

2:02:26That's it right there. Look at that sucker. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I have that. I use that fucker every day. I have both of them. I've been wanting my butterfly guard to get better too. Yeah, man, this will have a big impact on it. And you could also use it to do a leg extension. So you could do a leg extension and then you could lift the foot at the top if you wanted to. So you could actually emulate. That's so funny. You could actually do it from your back now that I'm thinking about it. Yeah. You could put one of those in on each leg and you could lie down on your back and you could specific. Yeah, and specifically work butterfly guard.

2:02:59There's so many cool ways to work out now. I know. There's so many amazing people that have like figured out ways to put it on your back. Protect your knees and protect your back and help your shoulders stability and just they give it away. They give it away online. We have such an amazing resource available now for training. Think about if you're a young guy, there's these guys that are coming up that have only been doing you just for like Joseph Chen. They've only been doing you just for a short amount of time. Like less than seven years I think. And dominating. Also what why because he's obsessed and because he has all this information online.

2:03:36Yeah. You you can watch so many instructional. Yeah. There's so many videos of guys pulling things off. You can rewind it. Watch it again. Rewind it. Watch again. Get together with your friend. Okay, put your no, put your hand on the left knee. Okay. And then when I push you pull and then what's that? Yeah. Like, oh shit, that works. And that takes so long if you're just doing it like in a organic like training way. Yeah. But the beauty like I like I came up with what a technique that I haven't seen or haven't done before that like it can everything continues to evolve even as much as we've all trained the same shit for so long.

2:04:14Like there's still new avenues to. Or if there's still room to be creative always like that's one of the cool things that Eddie will do. Someone someone pull something off and they have a thing Eddie will go show me that show me that everybody check this out. And then they'll have the whole class gather around and then like tell me what you're doing. Talk me through the thing. What we like to do is like to get mission control and then I shovel this arm through and then I grip it like this and like okay try that and everybody tries it. And then Eddie will go do it on me. And like huh. Yeah. Alright, let me try do it on you.

2:04:43Huh. Like do not somebody try to get out of this and then they'll try to like workshop it like would it be better with this would it be better with that? Like how did you get to this spot? Like why did you do you have a pathway that you take to get to this? Do you get to this spot all the time? And that's so similar to your comedian sort of community too. Like we have that option. Well I think that's why I brought that to the comedy community because that was always the way it was in gyms. Like in Jiu Jitsu and in kickboxing and takwondo and Muay Thai like people teach you how to do stuff. And it's so good for us as a like a culture too.

2:05:19Like to interact with people who you may never interact with in your day to day life. Like to have that sort of community aspect. Like I feel like that draws a lot of people in outside of all the other benefits. Yes. There's a lot of community to it. And it's such a vast array of different types of people from every culture, from every sort of class level. And we all find a common equality of course with a hierarchy of experience. But we're all in the same boat together. Well that's the same with yoga. It's the same with a lot of things. You know it's just like you find a group of people that have also found this very productive, very beneficial thing.

2:06:03Where are you going Marci? Hi puppy. Marci just woke up. I saw your new puppy. Oh he's adorable. Jesus Christ. He's Marci just new buddy. Yeah. Is it a Cocker Spaniel? No, it's a King Charles Spaniel. Marci, give me a buddy. Marci. Show everybody. Come say hi to everybody. Come here. Come on. Come on. That's a cutie. He's tired. Long day. You guys go running? Come on up. Not today. Today just came here to hang out. It was the best. Gold retrievers are the absolute best dogs. They're just all love. They just want to cuddle with you, hang out with you, and they want to play. But the whole thing is just like be with you.

2:06:44Yeah. They're just not fast. Now they sweet to everybody. I wish they lived like 150 years. I know. They live if you're lucky. Well he's on a really good diet. We're putting him on a farmer's dog now. Changing his food. He was on the mave stuff, which is great. But he's on a raw food dog. Yeah, that's what he's going to ask you to do the raw. Made a giant difference. Yeah. Giant difference in the way he looks, the way he's as coat is. Yeah. And giant difference in his energy levels. Yeah. You know, the dog. It's up to the wolves. Well it's also like, they're just like people, man. If you have a person and you feed him nothing but processed food, they're going to be sick.

2:07:19Yeah. You can cereal every day. Yeah, I mean, that stuff just sits on the counter forever. It sits on a shelf. You go to the pet food store. Those bags are just sitting there. Like any real food shouldn't be just sitting there. Like, no. It's going to rot. Yeah. So that means that food has nothing to live in it. You know. You've got to give him the fucking raw. Mm -hmm. The raw. Well, like I said, it's going to cut it with the dry food a little bit. Yeah. Don't need to. The way they have these like with farmer's dog and with the stuff that he's been eating, mave, it comes with, it's like frozen green beans and blueberries and potatoes and meat.

2:08:00It's food. Yeah. And it just changes everything, man. They don't fart as much. Like, it's so much better for them. They have way more energy. It's like, their whole, his whole body composition changed. Yeah. I love it when people like actually fucking care. Their pet isn't just a fucking decoration. No, dogs are the best. Your life will be more loving if you have dogs. They're just always around. They're always cool. They're so consistent. And they have simple needs. Yeah. They just want to be less... And they're unconditionally loving all the time. And less, you get a working dog. And there's a lot of dummies out there that go and get a Belgian malinois and not understand.

2:08:40Like, okay. Yeah. They're great dogs. But you have, you have a responsibility now. Yeah. Because you don't have a regular dog. You have a super athlete. You're living with like a canine race car. Yeah. That's really what that is. Like, you can't just leave that in the yard. You see those people that train those dogs. Oh, yeah. Doing the little walk in between their legs. Is there walking in? Like, yeah. My friend had a fucking brilliant one. You just got one. You just got one. And he sent me videos of the puppy. And I'm like, oh my god, this thing is like broken. They jump like 25 feet in the air.

2:09:10They fly. They fly. They're like flips and she's going right up walls. Yeah. There's a bad deal. How do you want those fuckers chasing you? Yeah, it's hell. They're meat missiles. This is, I'll send this to you. I sent it to, I sent it to Jamie because I sent it to Brian Calon because me and Brian Calon are both retarded and we talk about dogs all day long. We're talking about like, what's the coolest animal? But this video shows the difference between how a shepherd, a German shepherd, which is also a great dog approaches something to the difference between a Belgian Malamaw does because have you seen it?

2:09:45Yeah, across the chairs and shit. Yeah, I sent it to you. It's not like the shepherd runs around. He's like, I'm going to find a way to get to that guy. I'm going to go around this way. The Malamaw runs over the chair. Watch this. Here's the shepherd. So the shepherd, he's going around. He's got to find the guy and he gets to him. He bites him. Watch the Malamaw. Now let's do, look at the looking Malamaw. Over the top, over every chair, it's like just so driven. They're so driven and so athletic, man. And it's not that a German shepherd is not athletic. Yeah, right. But like in comparison, look at what this fucker does, man.

2:10:21Yeah, he just runs over these chairs. He gets there in one second. He's running six rows insane. They're so athletic. So like a dog like that is not like Marshall. Like Marshall looks cool, just hanging here. Yeah. You got a Belgian Malamaw. That motherfucker needs tasks. It's just like, it's basically like me. Like you have to work him out. He's got to do things. You can't just have him sitting in the house. He'll go fucking crazy. Yeah, otherwise he's going to be smoking crack back in the alleyway. He is ADHD in dog form. That's what a Belgian Malamaw is. Like, you can't put him on Ritalin. You got to exercise that little guy.

2:10:57Yeah, you got to work that shit out. Yeah, man. He needs, and it's like, if you have the time to do that, there are incredible dogs. But it's like, you got to know what you're getting. You know, if you want a dog that just chills, get yourself a golden retriever. You want a family dog. Get yourself a go or a lab. They're the best. They just chill. I had a Boston Terrier for a long time. Oh, they're sweet dogs away. I have been able to get another dog since he died. Like it was like two draining, two emotionally draining. It's hard, man. Yeah, it was like a family member. Yeah. It's hard, man. It's hard.

2:11:32I still get sad thinking about my dogs that have died. But you know, there's loss in their life. You just got to appreciate them by their hair. Yeah. I always love new ones too. I love everybody's dogs. I love Carl. Carl's here today. He seems like a little commer with Marshall today. Growing boy. He's growing. He's getting his shit together. Yeah, he's just a puppy, right? He's also listening when you tell him to stop now. He's listening. He's listening. Well, bulldogs are a special breed, especially the English ones. Like they're just stubborn little pricks. Yeah. Like they're going to do what they want.

2:12:04I was watching a lady try to walk her to like young English bulldogs this morning. They were walking her. Like, and they'll put that little, you'll actually get it with the French bulldog when they put the brakes on. And they're like, we normally walk this way, but right now I'm going to have a bitch. I'm going that way, bitch. Exactly. I'm the boss. Yeah, especially male dogs with their balls. They'll test you. He's never tested me once, not once, never never growled. Never growled. He's the best. He, you know, he barks at snowmen.

2:12:41In my neighborhood, in my neighborhood, this guy had a one -them inflatable snowman and I'm taking him for a walk. And he's like, what the fuck is that? Is that a guy? Like he was the form of it, whatever it was. And it was one of them inflatable ones. So it's kind of like moving around. Yeah, kind of waving around. And he was like, yo, what the fuck is that? Is that a bear? Like, yeah. I would love to jump in a dog's brain when they have those moments. Right. Like a snowman freak out. Yeah, probably looks like a fucking monster. Bro, it's so funny, because, you know, because I'm relaxed and he's barking.

2:13:12I'm like, bro, get trust me. I would, I'd be thanking you if that was a bear. He's looking back at you like, I'll be fine. Are we gonna fight this fucking thing? Are you hugging the others? That's a fucking guy. Like no, it's just, it's just an inflatable thing. Yeah, he can be hurt. But other than that, he never barks. He'll bark if he wants to be let in. That's it. He goes the door and he just let out a little bark. Yeah. Just let you know, hey. That's Jamie and I were talking before. Like, it's very interesting how you start to communicate with your dogs. And you start to understand what they need.

2:13:41And like over enough time, you have a silent communication, which is very, very peculiar. And he knows the difference between going for a hike and then coming to the studio. He knows the difference. Like, you know, when he, if we go somewhere and he's gonna go run, he's all amped up and he gets out of the car. He gets here and he's like, hey, everybody's cool. What's up? How's everybody doing? Eric conditionings on. I can see the lion is back and get pet. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, he's, he's the best. Yeah, dogs are fucking amazing. We almost don't deserve him. Well, it's just such a weird thing that we've done because they used to be wolves and you can't train wolves.

2:14:22There's a reason why wolves aren't in the circus. Think about that. Think about that. You've got monkeys, bears and tigers that you can train to do circus shows in front of everybody. You can't train a wolf. They won't listen. But yet we tend to wolf into a dog that like literally listens to the dog. It's to everything I say. That guy will say, he's sitting down, buddy, relax. You know, just sit. You know, all right, you ready to go? He's like, I'm ready. He just gets up and goes. He's like, how did that happen? And the fact that they have that like fucking super gene that they could transform into so many different variations of the same thing through selection.

2:15:03Yeah. That's what's weird. Like selective breeding where you could turn a dog into Carl. Like, you have enough time. You can turn a mastiff into this tiny little thing. You just need enough time and enough different select genes and find like this female is a little smaller. It was breeder with a smaller male. This one has a shorter snout. Like, how would they even, how? What'd you do? How'd you get a chihuahua? Right? From a wolf. A wolf. You know, they didn't even, they weren't even sure of that until like, I don't fucking 20 years ago. Really? They didn't know. They thought they came from wild dogs and shit.

2:15:39Yeah. So they started sequencing the genome. They're like, what? It's exactly the same. These are all wolves. They kind of thought probably a lot of them came from wolves like huskies and shit like that. Like, no, all of them. That sort of symbiosis is really interesting too. Like how plants, like we have that symbiosis with plants and like certain plants who have followed our evolutionary line down the way or, you know, like we get connected to these. I think sometimes we forget that we're still a natural part of the environment. Wow. Where does the plants literally put their seeds in the middle of delicious fruit so that we will, we should have them out.

2:16:18We should have them out. And that chival act as a fertilizer and help it grow. Yeah. It's fucking wild. What a great, not only that, but if you eat the seeds, they're bad for you. But if you swallow it. So it's like evolutionary design, evolutionary design for you to just pass it through to just attract whole, just swallow them. Or even the fact that it's the certain color that reminds us of a flavor that like a certain color looks delicious. Yeah. And all it's doing is tricking us into eating it to shit it somewhere and allow itself to reproduce. Or a certain color that looks poisonous. Right.

2:16:54So I'm scared of it. Yeah. You know, I was watching this video the other day of a spider that makes a decoy spider and puts it in his mouth. I love that. How? It's building a sculpture. Right. And it looks like a fucking spider. Which is really crazy. So how does a spider even know what a spider looks like? And how did it develop? Doesn't have a mirror. Right. How did it develop this ability to make a sculpture out of its own webbing? Like look at this. That's crazy, man. Yeah. I mean, that's really crazy. It's making a decoy. Yeah. I mean, like those caterpillars that look like they have a snake, is their tail or whatever.

2:17:39Or mantises, you ever see mantis that make it look like their arms are giant teeth? They put their arms in their little ridges and they make it look like they have a giant mouth. Yeah. That's a fucking bizarre. Like how? That's the wild thing about evolution. It's like how? What is the entire process that allows something to develop where when the moth opens its wings, it looks like eyeballs. Yeah. Like what is that? Yeah. The fucking just life is really good at reproducing itself. How do you get a Venus fly trap where a plant tricks you into coming onto the center of this trap and then eats flies?

2:18:20Nuts. The whole thing. I mean, that's why you gotta find some joy in it. Find a little entertainment and how fucking bizarre everything is. We get so wrapped up in our day to day, in our just getting by, just having the moment to be like wild. Wasn't that a part of a problem with working really hard to? You don't see the forest for the trees. Yeah. You can get caught up in whatever the fuck you're doing and forget, like God in the world is pretty amazing. Yeah, the whole thing is so fucking bizarre. Yeah. And we try so hard to act like we fucking know it all too, to just leave some room for some mystery.

2:19:02Yeah. It's so important. Well, people are weird, man, and there's no real good working manual of how to live life. Yeah, there's no right way. There's no right way. Like, any advice anybody tries to give you, they're only working on their own experience. Especially when you're trying to pick a weird career. Like an artist. Yeah. Like good luck or a comedian or an MMA fighter or anything. Like you want to do that? It's like who are you going to even ask? You got to find what you love and literally just fucking go for it. And I know there's a sort of like, okay, you got kids. You got a fucking mortgage.

2:19:47Yeah. Yeah. You know, like, I'm, I've hustled all kinds of different ways to make sure I continue on the process, you know, on the path. But like, yeah, it's very different if you have people that you're taking care of and those responsibilities are paramount. But sometimes maybe that, that reward system that you would get from something else maybe comes from that. 100%. 100%. But what we're saying is that like, as you are listening to this, if you're going on your journey into life and you think you might be going in a safe direction that it's going to make money versus the direction that you really want to go to, ask yourself how bad you really want it.

2:20:29Like what do you want to do with your life? Do you want your life to be really fun? Do you want your life to be really rewarding when you wake up and you're excited about what you do or do you want every day to be a grind? Do you want every day to be like, you can't wait to get off so you can get a cocktail. So you can fucking calm down. You hate it. You hate everybody in the office and everybody treats everybody like shit and the boss is a dick and you just get home. You just want to drink and watch Netflix. Like you got to decide. You got to decide and you're going to have to take some drastic steps and you're probably going to have a lot of doubt, especially if you're doing something weird.

2:21:06Like if you want to be an artist or you want to be a comedian like, it's a long road. Yeah. That doubt fuels. It can handcuff you and make you stop, but it can also push you to go further. Well that's where doing something else that's difficult. So you know that you can do difficult things. Really comes in handy and that's what I always preach about Jujutsu. Yeah. Jujutsu above all of them is the one that you can do the most and you get the most out of it and you can get hurt for sure and I've been hurt a bunch of times. Don't get me wrong, but it's a different kind of hurt and sparring. The hurt that you get from kickboxing and that you were talking about from Muay Thai, it's different.

2:21:46You can't do that every day. You can't spar every day. You get hurt. You get your brain gets beaten up, your fucking nose gets fucked up or you can't breathe out of it anymore. It's just you don't want that kind of hurt. It's too debilitating and it could fuck with you for the rest of your life in terms of like just literally the way you think, which was always the scariest thing for me. I remember when I was thinking about stopping fighting, it was like because I was lying in bed at night with headaches from sparring days and I was like, what am I doing to my brain? This is the only thing that I have that's going to help me decide how to get through life.

2:22:23It's the only thing that I have. Once you start meeting people that you know or compromised, meeting people that you know have brain damage, like, yeah, they're starting to see it. Man, like, I think people who have been fighters their whole life, you know, starting to see a lot of that like go to the CTE or whatever the football players were dealing with and like how big of an effect. I mean, head trauma is so, so fucking damaging. Yep. Like, and the way that it could show itself in so many different ways. Mm -hmm. Like gambling addictions, drug addictions, depression, violence. Even like, maybe it's like hallucinations.

2:23:02Yep. You know, I feel like it almost transforms people into like, like waking nightmares sometimes for some people. Sure. To where it's like that feeling of like, you know, like you see somebody, but there's somebody else. Exactly. Right? Like, there's so many like aspects that like just end up destroying your normal day -to -day life. Yeah, fucks up their hormones. It fucks up everything. And you know, yet it makes for this insanely attractive sport to watch. Yeah. And they love it. Right? You just gotta not do it. You gotta know when to get out. And that's what's hard. Yeah. And the really, the hardest thing is that they don't have anything else because in order to be really good at something like fighting, you have to dedicate your entire life to it.

2:23:52It has to be everything about your waking moment. Yeah. And when it's not and it's just a job, that's when it gets fucking dangerous. Cause those guys get really fucked up a lot of the time. Yeah. When you have to get the next fight to keep the fucking train rolling. Yeah. And then you have a family and then like you realize like, you don't have any savings. Yeah. And so then to quit, like, what are you gonna do? How are you gonna generate, you know, if you're fighting and you're making $250, $300 ,000 a year fighting three or four times a year? Like, how are you gonna replace that with like a regular job?

2:24:23Yeah. Yeah, you're not. You don't have any skills. Like all of your skills are in how to fuck people up. Yeah. Yeah. So what are you gonna do? You're gonna teach? You could teach maybe, especially if you're real technical. Yeah, but that's not gonna give you the same quality of life or like, you know, it could eventually. I mean, there's some guys that make a lot of money off of teaching. Sure. But it's kind of rare. I mean, we have to be really good. Yeah. Yeah, you have to be really good. Cause there's like, be franchising. There's a lot of demand, you know, like you could, if you're an Eddie Bravo, you can teach seminars and you have a bunch of affiliates and a bunch of schools.

2:24:53Yeah. But he's in the top, you know, five percent. Exactly. You know, exactly. For most people, it's a grand. Yeah. And so I mean, I teach, I was telling Zach, like to me, jujitsu is like a parasite and it got in me. And now it's trying to find other hosts. Like, I literally am just trying to share, but it's like, it's like jujitsu is forcing me to share it, regurgitating it into some other host so that it can regurgitate itself and that's a layer of somebody else. But it's a beneficial parasite. Don't you think that teaching helps your jujitsu though? A million percent. Yeah. Like I show all of my students, all of my tricks so that when I try to use my tricks on them, it stops working.

2:25:31Yeah. And then I have to evolve the tricks or like create other little smoke screens and diversions to get to the spot that I need to get because they know. Yeah. And I like to, I'll show stuff that I don't normally do, but a majority of my curriculum is stuff that I do that I know works that I know all the ins and outs of. I know every little detail of how you get to the spot, like what you do, what you do if they do A, B or C. And that's what I share. And as I do that, like I, I, I, I, I, I noticed little techniques not working anymore. Well, don't you think it's also as you explain the techniques to people, it tightens up your own understanding of the techniques and makes you better at it?

2:26:13Thousand percent because you have to think of it. And it, like a lot of times our movements are muscle memory, right? We don't really consciously think too much about it because we've done it a thousand times where it's like, I do this, then I do this, then I do that. Right. And you don't think about it, but when you have to show somebody, you have to think about all those things that you never think about, help explain to somebody who doesn't know what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah. And get them to grasp it. I've seen that time and time again in Jiu -Jitsu where a guy is pretty good and he starts teaching, like coaching like beginners, one on private lessons, he's tough to make some extra money.

2:26:51And next thing, he knows he's a killer. Yeah. It's like, wow, that's, it's, I think that's a missing part of the key to development is teaching. I think I, I'm honestly surprised when other don't want to do the same. Like I never, like I never gatekeep techniques. Like I, if I see something that I think will work, like I, I honestly think I'm a much better coach than I am a Jiu -Jitsu practitioner. Like I'm horrible at competing. Like just, sometimes I just be like, okay, I'm just going to stay here until like kind of have a room to get out and I don't have to try too fucking hard. But I can see the game much better in my students.

2:27:33Right. Like my gym, Steel MMA is a little bit of like a rag tag sort of like bad news bears kind of gym because there's so many high level competitive gyms in San Diego. Yeah. But we go to all the local tournaments and we get on the fucking, on the podium. That's cool. Yeah, we get, and we're not, San Diego is a tough place for Jiu -Jitsu dog. Shit, yeah. You got fucking Jocos place down there. Barrett Yoshida is down there. How many people? Isn't, it was Hoyler had a school down there. Hoyler still in San Diego. He still, San Diego. He actually gave the guy who was the purple belt who threw me on my head that I was talking about earlier.

2:28:09He got his black belt from Hoyler. Otto's is there. Oh yeah, that's right. That's right. Oh, it's what a hotbed of Jiu -Jitsu. Yeah, it's like little fucking Brazil. And that funny like California, especially like during the UFC's growing period, became one of the biggest hotbeds of Jiu -Jitsu in the world. Yeah, they all went there. They all went there because they could surf. Yeah, they could surf. Yeah. Like probably like climate wise, fairly similar. Fairly similar. Yeah. And then a ton of population had dropped from to get students. Yeah. Yeah. Especially in that LA area where it's like people were already kind of like into Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris and shit.

2:28:46Right? And then, you know, you see Hoy's just fucking freak everybody out. I mean, I watched all those early fights as a kid. I had a friend's dad who like would always fucking get the pay per view. That's another thing about Austin. We have so many Jiu -Jitsu gyms here now. Yeah. You know, Gordon has his place now. Yeah. B team has their place. You have got Gracie Baja's here. You've got Shangri -Riberos here. Yeah. Everybody's here. There's like so many different gyms here. There's multiple 10th planets here. You know, there's a Gabe just opened up a 10th planet in Bastrop. There's a 10th planet right down in this area.

2:29:26There's a 10th planet. There's like three or four 10th planets. Yeah. I think there's at least three. And they're all packed, right? Packed. Yeah. Yeah. It's beautiful. It's like there's so many people that are interested in it because, you know, it really does work. It really helps you. It not just works like as a martial art to learn how to defend yourself. It's a like vehicle for understanding yourself better. It helps you in everything you do. As long as you just do it smart and don't get hurt. Exactly. That's like me trying to get up when I fucking my neck was pinched. Like that was Jiu -Jitsu.

2:29:57Yeah. Like I use it in so many aspects of my life. Like it's such a beautiful, weird little sport. Yes, sir. Lifestyle. My back's well. I'm glad you came in. Jiu -Jitsu, thank you for having me. Jiu -Jitsu, thank you for having me. Tell everybody where they could find you online. MikeMaxWart .com and all the social medias are at MikeMaxWart. My gallery in Santa Monica's BG gallery. And I got a gallery out in New Orleans, Mortal Machine. You can find my stuff out there. And is it all on MikeMaxWart? Yeah, you can find all that stuff. Okay, beautiful. All right, brother. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it.

2:30:31All right, bye, buddy.