#2361 - Graham Linehan

24:59And like, I brought out my biography a few years ago called Tough Crowd, which I should plug. And The Late Late Show, which interviews every single person who's got the letter O, a post -free inner name, has an interview to me. And all of the Irish media has just pretend I've died. They just pretend I've died. All because of their guardian art. Not just because of that, because I just wouldn't refuse to back down. They were saying, you know, I was constantly being told to apologize. And I hadn't done anything. I would have people online would do fake screenshots of me apologizing for sending pictures of my genitalia to women on a forum.

25:44And they spread that. And rather than my friends standing up for me, people would approach them on Twitter and say, why are you following Graham Lennon? And he's a bigot. And they would just go, oh, sorry. And just don't follow me. And so I lost 300 ,000, 400 ,000 followers in a few months. And then we went into COVID. And Twitter banned me for two years. So then that became Graham Lennon. Did you had, was there a specific post or was it just because your reputation? It was a combination of things. I was causing more trouble for them by, I don't know. What did I do? I went on to the web. This is a funny, this connects with Alex Jones.

26:29Did Adam not send you this? No, no, no. Oh my god. So one of the things they did was I went on an app called her social, which is a lesbian app. And I did it to show that men were joining these apps. And they weren't, you know, some of them would put on a bit of lipstick. But most of them were just, they would look like you were me, you know? It's a surprise. Yeah. And they go on to this app. And they say they put down their pronouns as she heard. Oh, boy. And they call themselves lesbians. And if lesbian complains about this, they're booted off the site. Okay. So I decided I would go on and call myself she heard and go on the site.

27:07So I did it. And then I had some friends who put me in Photoshop and did me a different, in different outfits. And one of them, I looked like my mother in the 60s, wearing kind of Jackie Kennedy pink beret. And Alex Jones was interested in the same story. And I think I said the link to you, Jamie. But like, oh yeah, here it is. Alex Jones. That's being asked. I'm not usually for transvestites and stuff. This one here. This is a. Oh, you see the symbol they've got here. You know what that symbol is right there? Yeah. These symbols all mean something. What does that symbol mean? I don't know. It doesn't mean anything.

27:50Fucking Alex. Yeah. So I feel Alex. But like, like. But the thing is that's not outside of what you could find on there. No, absolutely. That's what's crazy. But I was re -counseled because of it. Because they only reported about me. They said, grain linen went on the lesbian app. Oh. Pretending to be a woman. So then you're a pervert. Yeah. Yeah. So I know. Oh, you're a hypocrite. Yeah. And none of my arguments are making it to the, to the, to the mainstream press because. Oh, God, I wish I knew about this earlier. I wish I'd sent you my book earlier. This scandal never made it to the States, except for Adam telling me.

28:25My scandal. Yeah, I mean, to like the comedy community in the States. You didn't hear about it. There was almost too many of them. And then the thing was with JK Rowling, that was so big that they went for the queen. Yeah. They're trying to take down literally the most successful author of human history. Yeah. Doesn't it, hasn't she sold more copies in the Bible at this point? Exactly. Is that accurate? No, I don't know. Probably. I think the Harry Potter books have sold more or are at least similar to the sales of the Bible. She just wrote it in her lifetime. Yeah. The Bible's been around for two thousand years, two thousand years head start.

29:02Yeah. And that's, and they went for her anyway. They went for her. And there was like seven, I mean, when you think about it, it was like seven or eight generations of kids have read these books. And they're selling series in history. So Harry Potter series alone is exceeding 600 million copies sold worldwide. Yeah. It's so easy. And the kids who read her books are the ones trying to cancel her. The kids who read their books aren't taking on board any of the lessons of the books. It's very strange. Well, it's hard to be courageous. It's hard to step outside of the narrative. And when there's like a very forceful narrative that's being pushed, like, you know, what Elon likes to call the woke mind virus.

29:45Like whatever that thing is that has like these very clear rules that you must follow, like people get real scared. Yeah. And they get real aggressive when they get real scared. They don't want to get canceled themselves. They become a, they become some sort of an enforcer for these ideologies. Yeah. And it gets contagious. And it turns into some sort of a weird culture war that's akin to a religious war. They call it, the other side call it a culture war to try and, to try and make it only that, right? You know, they talk about it as a culture war to try and kind of keep it under in a framework they understand.

30:28But it's not a culture war, really. It's like it's women's lives. You know, you're talking about 51 % of the population. You know, they fought for these rights 100 years ago. And now they're trying to take them away by stealth. There's a nurse in the UK at the moment. Her name is Sandy Peggy. And she had a doctor, six foot two rugby playing doctor, who had started identifying as a woman, I think in 2022, right? Using women's toilets in an NHS hospital every time. She was bothered by this, but she tried not to say anything. Okay. Until finally, she had a period and she went in and he was there and he asked her to leave.

31:08She's now going through the whatever we tried, tried, you know, he asked her to leave. No, sorry, I put that wrong. She asked him to leave. And he refused. He took it up as a complaint. And now she's going through a work tribunal. Not him. He's not in trouble for going into women's toilets. She's in trouble. And that's the whole of the UK at the moment. How did this happen? Let's, let's, let's, you're an intelligent guy and you've had eight years to think about this. Yeah. What do you think happened where people lost all ability to objectively analyze all the various little things that are at work in this?

31:45It's partly a problem with the internet, I think. I think it's, first of all, the internet spread it. One of the things that happened was the, the, the, there was a real supercharged moment for trans ideology when Tumblr banned porn because all the trans identified kids who were all over Tumblr and, and porn was a big thing on Tumblr. I remember Tumblr. Yeah. Yeah. It was a big kind of visual sight. Like, I never used it. Did you ever use Tumblr? Didn't use it, but I know what he's talking about. I was big for generations. Was it a social media thing? Yeah, it was big amongst teenage girls, of course.

32:21Okay. So you've already got a, a, a, a worry there, you know. Oh, now I remember it. Yeah. Okay. And they all came over to Twitter and that's the moment when Twitter became extremely toxic in terms of talking about this issue. And so there was a kind of a, a double thing going on. Like, I remember when I was talking to people I knew about the issue. They simply couldn't talk about it. It was the strangest thing. When it's scared. I know, but even in personal one -on -one, they can't talk about it. Well, it's religion, but it's showing itself in a new form. Yes. It's religion for secular people.

32:55It's a religion. It's a religion that's terrifying because like the consequences of not obeying are you get ostracized and you get attacked and you get deplatformed and debanked and you do this and do that and you're able to beg it. I had a western musical ready to go based on Father Ted. It was like, you know, you can't really ever guarantee a hit in terms of musicals, but it was the closest thing to a guaranteed hit you could get. It was my pension. I'd worked on it for about three or four years. They canceled it. We had it up on a feet. We had it up on its feet. We had songs. We written. We, you know, we'd even performed it in front of audiences a couple of times just to generate excitement and interest.

33:38It was ready to go. So how did so many people go along with it? Where you can't... How is it that you can make this reasonable argument on this podcast about why you think this is the case and what you think is going on? And this is why you stood up against it. And why can't there be some sort of... A logical debate about this. Like, how is this one issue so insanely... Third rail? Where you can't even touch it. Like, people don't even try to touch it. There's a few reasons for that. This episode is brought to you by Zippercruder. There is such a thing as having too many options to choose from.

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35:59Oh, boy. Yeah. And in fact, even now when you say trans women, some people are thinking trans men. You know, and I have to tell, but I have to sometimes tell people the way to do is think trans means opposite. So if it's trans men, it's a woman. If it's a trans woman, it's a man. That's all it means. It just means opposite. And so this language, which is constantly being used, if you see a press report about a, you know, this happens all the time. You see a press report that says something like, I saw a great one that said something like, woman takes cocaine and then kills Alsacean or something like this.

36:33And it's only that we know. It's only that me and the feminists are fighting this. Know that it's a man that tell me it's not every other, every other person reading that newspaper thinks they're talking about a woman. It happens all the time. It's happened here. Yeah. It's happened here when a trans person has done something they call it a she. Yeah. But it's a man that did it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's the press. It's the press are, I mean, really that when you say, why isn't it possible to be talked about, it's because the press are helping confuse people. You know, the press are actually aiding.

37:06Like if you get a pedophile and you report him to be a man, oh, sorry, a woman when he's actually a man, then it's even harder to step back and go. We shouldn't have done that because you've actually you've actually already committed a terrible sin against journalism. Right. You know, you're not telling the truth. You're not being accurate. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just so strange that this is so potent that it allows people to give up those, give up their journalistic integrity. Yeah. It's, it's extraordinary. But some of them don't even have a need for the first, in the first place. A lot of, like, one of the things that happened when I was, uh, started talking about this.

37:43I started noticing, like, there was a magazine in England called Total Film. And that was calling me a bigot. And all these different, and my old magazines that I worked for were calling me a bigot. And then you see photographs of the guys. And it's always, you know, they've always got black fingernail polish. And they think they're a new kind of human, you know. So you're not a new type of human being. And the thing about the internet is allowed them to all group up. Yeah. Whereas before the internet, it's a very small percentage of people that have autogonophilia or that, you know, fall into those categories.

38:14And we've always kicked those people out of women's rooms. And this is one of the really important things when you're talking about, like, trans bigotry. Um, it's only about men. It's not about trans men. Oh, no one cares. Well, here's the thing, right? Trans men going into the men's room. First of all, first of all, right? This, that's one of the earliest kind of smears against the feminists fighting this. Who are all in the UK, by the way, left wing women, classic left wing environmentalist. No, they're coos. No, but much old childless cat ladies as JD Vance calls on a bunch of coos. No, these are the good, these are the good guys.

38:53These are the good guys. And they've been, and you know, but they've been smeared as right wing bigots. You know, even though they spent all their life fighting things like section 20. Oh, I see what you're saying. So the people that were, yeah, you know, there's, there's different types of feminism. And I don't think that sometimes appreciated in, in conservative circles. Melissa Megan Murphy. Yeah, absolutely. Good friend of mine. Yeah. She's a legit feminist. Yeah. Like legit. Yeah. I'm saying, hey, this is an infringement on women's spaces and immediately everything. Same thing as you. Call the big.

39:20But she's in a different space because she's on the internet. Yeah. But she got kicked off a Twitter. Oh, yeah. She got kicked off a Twitter. She was off longer than me. Five years. Crazy. You know, and being kicked off of Twitter allowed people to further lie about me online until my reputation was completely destroyed. So I went in for a meeting with the people who produced the father Ted musical. Who also produced father Ted back in the day. And I walked in and everybody. I saw someone I worked with for years, a runner who had grown up with me as I, as I worked with them on different productions.

39:57Just looking at me like, like Elliott Gould. It was an Elliott Gould. No, what was the guy's name at the end of invasion of the body snatches. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I thought, what the hell was that look? And then I went into the office and they offered me 200 ,000 pounds to walk away from the musical. Wow. And they thought that they thought I would take it because I was so desperate because I had lost every bit of work I had. And, and I thought about it. And at one point I said, well, as long as I can come in and watch the occasional rehearsal just to see if it's going well, you know. And, and they said, no, we want a clean break.

40:33Wow. And I had brought them the idea. I had more or less written the whole thing. And they just thought they could, they could do that to me. So I thought, no, I'm not taking part in any further efforts to blacken my own name. So I said, no, I'm not doing it. And they won't make the musical now. So I know the internet was a part of this. But how did it get so cookie? How did it get so cookie where people are willing to put women in these vulnerable positions? Because they don't want to offend this entirely tiny, very, very vocal part of the world. Because, as you say, because these, this tiny, very vocal, very, and very, and you know, there's, I want to make this clear, there are a lot of trends identified people who are completely saying.

41:23Of course. Who know what sex they are. Of course. Who are not trying to impose themselves in places where they're not wanted or where they would disturb or frighten women. They're great, and I'm friends with a lot of them. And they've existed forever. Well, you know, when they say different, but there was always been people like that in the world. Sure. But there's, but you know, when you come to the current iteration of the word trans people, what does it mean then? Like, you know, when you're talking about just transvestism. Right. Right, right, right. That's where it gets squirreled. What are they?

41:51They wear each other's furs, you know, in the caves. It's like it's just closed. Right. But there's been historical tales forever. There was actually a famous one about from the Old West about this guy that was married to this woman. And then when the woman died, he was out of town. And the doctor found out that this woman that he was married to was actually a man. Oh, sure. And then so then he committed suicide. Oh, right. Because he couldn't let everybody know that he was banging a dude this whole time. Yeah. But my point is there's always been people that identified as a woman. But there also has always been perverts.

42:24And so to deny the existence of one while pushing the others, like, yes, yes, yes. I agree. There have been people that feel like they're in the wrong body and the wrong gender. That's always existed. It's a reality of human civilization. Also, what's that? Yeah. That's a kind of dress with a heart on. Yeah. Like there's auto -guided failure is a real thing. Men get turned on by dressing up like women. Also, there's certain perverts that don't want to wear a dress. But they know if they do wear a dress, now they can get into the women's room. Yeah. They're going to do that, too. Of course they are.

42:53If you put the line here, men will come up to that line. Exactly. If you put it up here, men will come up to that line. You can't do it under the guise of compassion. Because again, it's only about men. When you talk about trans men, no one is complaining. Let me tell you a little something. In any way. Let me tell you something, a little something about that, right? As you point out, they never talk about trans men. And in fact, when you think about it, who are the famous trans men? Very, very few of them. The Elliott Page. The Elliott Page. A few of them. That's the most famous. Yes, right? Because she was a famous actress and then she became Elliott Page.

43:29Yeah. Well, like, actually, let me tell you something about Elliott Page's voice. That'll be of interest. But what was my point going to be? Oh, yeah. Trans men added a whole trans deal. Get the worst deal out of it. Trans women. All a man has to do is wear a dress. And he is suddenly a trans woman. Right? But trans identified women. They get double misectomies, hysterectomies in their 20s and 30s. You know, they get, they go in every single young woman on testosterone will go into early menopause. Early menopause brings with a risk of dementia, incontinence, itching and all sorts of fucking problems you don't want to put up with when you're, these young women think they're going to be young men.

44:15And they're actually turning into old women. And no one has told him this, Joe. No one knows menopause. I know it makes a lot of them infertile for life. Oh, yeah. You know, it's one of the things that happens is when you take testosterone, your ovaries confuse to some other part of your internal organs. And that means it becomes infected. And that means it, and that's why you see so many trans men having to have hysterectomies. You know? If a woman has her breasts removed and then goes on to have a child later on in life, if they're lucky enough not to have been sterilized by the drugs, if they have a child later on in life, when the child cries, the tissue in their breasts will ache because there's always tissue left behind after those operations.

45:03And it will ache because it wants to feed the baby. But they can't. You know? No one tells these kids that. You know, the younger men who are, I met a D -transitioner, his name's Richie Chulip. He told me that there are, oh, actually, no, let me stick to trans men for a moment. You know, the only time that trans men get famous in the same way that trans women do is if they get pregnant. Right? Right. And then it's like they're under cover of Time Magazine or something. Yeah. Because, oh, my God, a bearded pregnant lady. Right. Right. And it's just, we've always known it, we've seen fairgrounds with bearded ladies.

45:38It's just testosterone. It's just an excessive testosterone. There's nothing magical or great about it. In fact, it's very dangerous for women on testosterone to get pregnant because they could pass on. I mean, this is how horrible it is. There was a study in the UK published by a gender sociologist, I think she is, who works for Sheffield University. And the study said, this is what's her name, Sally Hines. And the study said that even if there's a risk of deformity to a baby, a trans -identified woman should continue taking testosterone because there was too much of an emphasis on babies born with normative bodies.

46:25Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I mean, so preventative medication is a denial. Yeah, yeah, it's just insane. Preventative medication would be a denial because you're denying the existence of people with disabilities is if they're not real. Yeah, they're not equal. It's something like that. That is so crazy. Basically, they can, you know, that's another thing with this debate. And there's other, there's, there's, well, anyway, sorry, I want to stick to trans men. But does that language is so or well -earned? Yeah. But if you look, look up how great, but what a crazy way to justify potentially harming a child.

47:05Yeah. So we're putting too much emphasis on children that aren't harmed. Her self -identity is more important. That is so nuts. Yeah. And I'm trying, I've been trying to tell people that this has been going on for years. That's the second most shocking story I know in this fight. Will I just tell you this first one? Sure. Okay. You know W -Path? W -Path. What is that? W -Path is meant to be the world leader for trans health care. It is where the whole world gets their orders for how to treat trans people, okay? It is, this is going to blow you away, Jill. So there's a, there's a woman named Mia Hughes.

47:46And she published a piece called, she published a study called The W -Path Files. It hasn't been reported on anywhere. No one is talking about it. It's not a, it's, it, it came and went without, without causing barely a ripple. She found out that W -Path, which briefly tried to make Unic a gender identity, right? She found out that they were linking to a website called the Unic Archives. And the Unic Archives is mainly a repository of about, I don't know, I have it written down, but it's something like 8 ,000 short stories, something like that. And they're just pornography about people cutting their dicks off.

48:26W -Path linked to this site. Not only that, but something like 40 % of the stories are tagged minor, okay? So these are the people who are cutting off young men's dicks, and they are sharing erotic pornography about cutting off young men's dicks. And Jamie has all the links. This may sound that I'm pulling it out of my ass, because it's so hard to believe. That's another problem we have. Some of these stories are so hard to believe. It's so hard to inform people, because you're only going to hear about something like this on a podcast. Yeah, exactly. The press will report on it. And when you think about, and BBC, the BBC deliberately ignores this.

49:09The BBC is outrageous on this issue.

49:15But, but... But this is almost worse than Jimmy Savile, because there's more kids being hurt. And the UK is addicted to ignoring scandals and to hurting, you know, to allowing children to be hurt. What's his name? Kierstarrmer, the UK Prime Minister. When he came in, he said he would end the culture wars. He hasn't ended the culture wars. He hides from them. While ordinary people still have to fight in court, people like me and various women who are fighting this nonsense, it's absolutely coward on this issue. But the thing about the W -Path files is W -Path, this place that's sharing pedophilic castration pornography, is the world leader on trans -healthcare.

49:59Okay? There are the ones that are bowed to on everything in this. And there are the reason why doctors all over the world are giving these protocols to kids. Because there's a thing called the chain of trust that Mia Hughes writes about, which is an ear nose and throat specialist has to believe that other doctors know what they're doing. And they have to believe that the head of any particular discipline knows what they're saying. And what's happening with W -Path is they're issuing all this stuff. And it's all just crazy nonsense. One thing in the W -Path files they found out was there was one letter from them, I think one of the doctors associated with W -Path.

50:41And she said, I've only ever refused a transition diagnosis once. And that's when the patient was having a... That's because the patient had a psychotic episode in my office. That's the only reason she didn't say, yeah, you're a man, because she was having a psychotic episode. They tried to transition a homeless guy. So when you think about it, he has the surgery and the next day's back in the streets with the wound that needs to be clean. They tried to transition a homeless guy. That's the W -Path files. And they're gold and just transition anybody. It's purely a kind of ideological insanity.

51:19Like one of the people who is involved in this, I can't... I'll her name always jumps out of my head. I can't remember her name. But she suggested that a baby who fiddles with the buttons on their baby is trans. Because they're indicating they don't let this baby grow. They want to wear a male or whatever, you know. Oh my God. That woman was involved in the satanic panic scandal. So she's moved from one insane, you know, mass delusion to another. What was the satanic panic scandal? Oh, do you know this? This was like 80s, I think, in the middle of... kind of Midwest in America. There was a lot of places that suddenly started believing in cults that were worshiping the devil and having sex with children.

52:07And the thing about it was it was before the internet. So it didn't actually spread that far. You know, there were a few towns where broke out. Do you remember that there were three kids who were in jail for years? Or something they didn't do? And then they tried to kill them. And it was found out. And they were just goths, you know. The stuff like that. And it didn't break out of middle America because the internet wasn't there. But I have to think now, if the satanic scandal broke out again, you would certainly know about it because it would be all over the world. And this person was involved in this?

52:35Yeah, yeah. Same. It was something to do with a military base. I wish I could remember her name. As I say, she did this thing about babies popping their... popping the buttons on their thing, you know, which is... So this is a crazy person. Yeah, this is crazy person. So a crazy person who was a part of the satanic panic is now telling you that a baby fiddling with its buttons is probably trans. Yeah. And people are listening. And people are listening. Wow. And you have... I mean, one of the things when you said, why is this happened? Like, another thing that's happened is you got to understand there's millions of things going on at the same time.

53:17A lot of very bad men have been empowered, okay? A lot of very bad men know they can walk into a female only space and at least they may even get a fucking pair out if someone complains. Right. But then there's a lot of, you know, really lovely kids who are grown up and have been told, like boys who've been told a boys are evil. And they feel guilty because they think of women in a sexual way. And, you know, there's stories of boys being castrated because of that. You know? They do not want to associate themselves with what they see as male toxicity. You know? So... Anyway. Oh yeah. And then there's other things.

54:00There's like, you know, people like that grifter who said that, that the baby grows. There's all sort... It's like a gold rush. If you create a... If you create a completely senseless system that has no rules, that anyone can be a woman if they put on a dress and it's just complete free for all. It's going to be a gold rush, you know? Not just that. If you're a part of that clan, you get to be very aggressive about defending these ideas. Yeah. To the point where you're allowed to hold up pistols and say, we shoot turfs. Yeah. I saw some of that stuff going on in the UK where it's really apparently very hard to get a gun.

54:38Yeah. But shoot turfs. Yeah. Oh, that's big. I tell you what, a really funny thing as well. You see British people holding up posters saying, arm, arm trans people. And it's because they're completely Americanized, you know? This term for people that don't know what it means. It's trans -exclusionary radical feminism. So you're talking about shooting a woman. So there is a man who identifies as a woman holding a pistol who is about to shoot the real woman. And this is openly promoted. Yeah. There's nothing else like that in the world. Imagine if that was instead of turfs. Which is just really a woman saying a man with a penis shouldn't be allowed to be in the woman's room.

55:17Yeah. That will turn you into a turf. And this is a person with a pistol saying shoot turfs. Yeah. Yeah. And that's okay. And also trans -exclusionary is such a lie because these women, they accept every woman no matter how they identify. So if a trans man comes in and says, I need help or something has happened to me or whatever, these groups won't turn them away. They're not trans -exclusionary. And they're trans male exclusionary. A trans man using the women's room. Yeah. That's a weird thing. Like if a trans man was using the woman's room, what would the women, you know, if we do, that gets weird.

55:54People know Joe. These are small, tiny women with unconvincing facial hair. We're about a big giant one, one big Viking lady who gets on the juice. I don't know. I can see how it could be an issue. There's people that turn into trans men that are very passable as men. Much more so, I think, much more likely than people that are women or male that turn into women. Oh, definitely. The effect of facial hair is such a mesmerizing effect. It's definitely going to change your opinion. Especially because there's kind of feminine men. Yeah. And they'll fall into that category. But here's the thing. They also have a bunch of things in common.

56:31They're all lowered in the average height of men. Right. And also their voices are cro... Have you ever noticed Elliott Page's voice? No. It's very croaking now. It's like this. It's a little bit like Kennedy's going there. Not that bad. Well, you hear about it. But it's a little croakiness. Female bodybuilders. Female bodybuilders are the original trans men. Oh, okay. Because they were injecting testosterone. Listen, female bodybuilders. We knew a long time ago that you could turn a woman into a man. Yeah. Well, at least visually. Yeah, sure. So like, give me some female mis Olympias. I'm going to show you something that's literally not possible.

57:10Okay. This is not physiologically. It's not possible for a woman to get this muscular. Because it's not a woman. It's a science project. Right. So it's a biological science project. And so this is like... Give me some crazy ones. You know, in East Germany, the women who were on steroids and so on. Yes. They weren't told on testosterone. Oh, I'm sure. The government did it too. The government did it too. The government did it too. The government did it too. Show me one from like the 90s. Okay. How about that young lady in the lower right hand corner? Look at that. Look at those muscles. Bro. Bro, that is so crazy.

57:44But it does look... Like, I got to say, does look feminine in like the hips? No, sure. But it looks almost like a superhero. That's another thing. Hips don't lie, you know? Yeah. But there's another... There's another thing that happens. How about that one? Jamie. Scroll back. Scroll up a little... Yeah, that one right there. Right above that one. The one where her hands are on her hips in the middle. The blue... Yeah, look at that one. Yeah. Bro. Yeah. Look at those arms. But that's just... You know, someone who's doing that for competition, that's... I'm not pretending to be a man. Right. But my point is, like, if that person did identify as a man and decided to start using the women's room because, you know, of their biological sex, that would freak some women out.

58:29Yeah, and to be honest with you, that's a kind of a gotcha that's often pulled out. But in the end, the vast majority of the time, you know, and it's... There's not a lot of those. Yeah, exactly. Also, it takes not just steroids to get that big. Yeah. It takes years of being in the gym. It's steroids for a woman to get that big. But let me tell you what I was going to tell you about Tessas... Tessas... The croakiness. Yeah, the croakiness. Do you know why that is? Why? Because they have slender women's necks, but they're vocal cords of expanded because it's testosterone. And so a lot of trans -identified women have these crokey voices, you know, and...

59:04I thought it was just the deepening of the voice because it's both of those, right? It's probably both, but the deepening of the voice comes because of things like this. I don't know what Elliot Page sounds like now. There was something else I was going to tell you about this that was really interesting about the... Oh, man, what was it? Sorry, trans men. It's like eight years of stuff just crowding up in my head. Oh, it'll come back to me. It'll come back to me. But yeah, these girls... Oh, I know what it is. Okay, here's another... Here's another fun fact, right? Okay. Grinder, the gay men's dating hookup app.

59:40Okay. Trans men are going on to that app, expecting to be accepted by gay men. Okay? And they're not. And again, if the gay men complain, they get thrown off. Oh, no. Yeah. Gays, get a hold of your stuff. Get a hold of your stuff. Don't let them do that to you. But here's what's happening on Grindr. Wait, here it is. Here's what's happening on Grindr. Straight men are joining Grindr to predate on those women. On the trans men women. Yeah, because some of the women... Some of the women... Some of the women haven't yet... The testosterone hasn't taken over. So they're catching them while they're vulnerable.

1:00:15They're catching them while they're vulnerable. They say, hey, hey, I'm a gay man. Hey, I'm a gay man. Oh, my God. That's so good. And so they're predating on these... Sneaky on these vulnerable, you know, confused young women who've been told that they are literally now gay men. That's great. Well, like, what percentage... I mean, how many numbers are we talking about? Where this is a strategy for getting laid? I see. I have seen a forum discussion between two guys. They were just kind of sniggering about it amongst themselves. Oh, my God. It's really... I mean, you know, these kids... One of the things that gets me about this is that these kids are the kids that I was.

1:00:50You know, they're the strange... They're not well -adjusted. It's been a lot of time reading, maybe. Sensitive. A lot of girls who are caught up in this are the most emphatic imaginative girls, you know? And it appeals to them for some reason. You know, it appeals to them maybe because it feels so... They see men as just gliding through life in a way that they can't. And also, they see pornography from when they're kids and the women in pornography are treated appallingly. And so they are saying, nope, I don't want any of that. And they think they can just... But what they're really doing is they're stepping into a world where they have a four times higher chance of having a heart attack.

1:01:33If they're taking testosterone, then any normal women... They are going to die younger, you know? They're going to lose their ability to have children. And no one is talking about it. And happening in clusters. And that's the most disturbing thing that Abigail brought up. A lot of these girls are diagnosed as autistic. And they wind up. And they wind up doing these group clusters of six or seven girls, which statistically speaking is highly, highly unlikely to be natural. And it leans towards the idea of a social contagion and no one wants to believe it. She also talks about how when you do take testosterone, when you're young, it elevates your sense of confidence.

1:02:18It alleviates anxiety. It does a bunch of things for you psychologically. It creates more female school shooters. Have you noticed this? It has. It does. This has been happening recently. A new thing. Yeah. And what I can never understand is why they don't exist people in the world. I mean, there are. They are there. There's a lot of them there. But no one on a high level. Very few politicians. Trump, in fact, is probably the only one who will say, hang on a sec. This is insane nonsense. We've got to protect these kids. Yeah. Let's cut it out. Instead, there's this constant like, oh, yeah, but you know, we have, like, if anything happened when the Supreme Court recently.

1:02:55I mean, this took four women's Scotland, a group in Scotland, years to get through the court. But finally, the Supreme Court said, no, sex means biological sex. You know, it doesn't, you know, in law, yeah, in law, sex means biological sex. And all these places of come back saying, it's the most, you know, I don't, we don't know how we're going to implement this. It's all very confusing and they're really dragging their heels with it. You know, it's like, you were able to do it for a hundred years. How difficult is it to write ladies and gents and put it up in a sign? Right. You know, and enforce it.

1:03:26Put it up in the door and enforce it. You know, they are, they, they are absolutely hypnotized by this. And they're fully convinced that it is just like gay rights. And that it, they have to be careful because, I mean, one of the things that's happened, for instance, with the police in the UK, is that a few years ago, there was a young kid murdered by some racists, black kid murdered by some racists. And I think, I think it was called a MacPherson report came out that, that described the police as institutionally racist. And they, they probably were in that way that all cops were racist at one point, you know, or at least, you know, very much not right on.

1:04:02But anyway, it was a big scandal. It had this convulsive effect on the police. And then the police just flipped and they started putting on pride colors on their faces and merging with pride. And, and I genuinely think that there are police who are complicit. I, in fact, I sent a video, maybe Jamie can pull it up, but I sent a video of the police actually walking away from a group of kettled women, trans activists that kettled them in this small space. They're back, it was up against a railing, and it was a huge crowd of, of antifa type guys screaming at these women. And about four or five police keeping the antifa guys from the women.

1:04:45And I, I arrived and I saw them walk in a way. I saw about six, seven policemen walking away from it, you know. I was like, what the hell's going on? So I think British police are using trans activists to scare women out of fighting for their rights. Because they know that if women, if women gather to meet trans activists, will definitely be there to hurt them or harass them. You really think that you don't think that it's just their scared of the trans activists? No, because they've been advised for years by Stonewall, which was the big gay rights organization in the UK, that these women are bigots, and that these women are actually far right.

1:05:25And, you know, and the police believe this stuff, because they've had it as training for years. So that, their training is that these women that are fighting for women's rights, these women are bigots, and they should let the antifa people have out. Oh, they wouldn't say that officially, but I believe that's what's happening. I believe they're basically using antifa to control these women. You know, the flip side of this is ugly. When people rise up against something like this, it gets real ugly and real violent. And that's what scares me the most. Oh, one of the things we're trying to head off is the backlash against transexuals and gay people who had nothing to do with this.

1:06:00You know, gay people in particular, there's a lot of my friends that are gay that do not like any of this movement. Yeah, they don't do not like any of it. It's a homophobic movement. Have you ever heard of anything? It's more homophobic than a lesbian with a penis. It's homophobia. That's all it is. And for some reason, people have just been held in this kind of, you know, tractor beam where they're just kind of like going along with it, and they're not questioning it. I guess they're worried that what happened to people like me will happen to them, but there's increasingly less of an excuse now.

1:06:33I mean, John Oliver and John Stewart both said on their programs that puberty blockers were reversible. That was a dangerous lie. You know, I don't understand John Stewart saying that. I have to assume that John Stewart was misinformed. Everyone's misinformed, but I have to assume that John didn't look into this because he's super reasonable and very intelligent. Absolutely. And that's why that's so scary. Rushing when someone like that says something like this. It is simply not true. It's not true. It's not true. It has a direct impact on the development of the child's penis to the point where they might not ever.

1:07:07And brain and causes strokes. Yeah. It is literally chemical castration that they used to give to sex predators. That's what it is. Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah. It's even a form of the drug. A few years ago, they wanted to put Alan Turing on a bank note in the UK. And now they're telling gay kids on the same drugs that castrate chemically castrated here. Yes. You know, let him to commit suicide, right? Yeah. Exactly. The guy who invented the test to figure out whether or not artificial intelligence had reached sensors. Oh, I didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Turing test. I always forget about that.

1:07:40Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think of it more as the enigma guy, you know. But I mean, but imagine that. Like what a crazy contribution and a footnote in history that we're currently wrestling with. Like we're grappling right now with the idea that these things are already sent to you. The thing is we're grappling with things that we shouldn't be grappling with when we're actually on the course of what seems to me with AI to be a huge moment in human evolution, right? Yeah. We're about to move into like, I always think of it like the thing in alien that's a Gourney Weaver. Right. With the like the JCB.

1:08:14You digger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. I think that's what AI is for humanity. We're going to be able to step into these things and be much more powerful than we used to be. We need. Or completely irrelevant. And we fade off. Sure. Because we're not breeding anymore anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you think about the amount of people that are having children now, especially in developed parts of the world. It's drops off. It always drops off. But like Japan is at the risk of population collapse South Korea is at the risk of population collapse. Then you factor in micro plastics, which significantly affect child's reproductive systems when they're in the uterus.

1:08:53Okay. Also, like lower sperm counts. You look at like the invention of plastics in the start, the use of plastics. And then the correlation, the giant dip in sperm counts. Wow. We talked about it yesterday in the podcast. There's a woman Dr. Shanna Swan from Harvard who wrote a book on this. Yeah. About Thalates. And every person carries like literally a fucking spoon, like a like a picnic spoon, like plastic picnic spoon of micro plastics in their brain. Yeah. So in this stuff is neutering humans. It's also causing, I mean, whether it's causing it or where there's a correlation. So there's a correlation in a larger number of miscarriages for women.

1:09:34And they think a lot of this has to do with environmental toxins. Okay. And a lot of it has to do with micro plastics. So all this is moving us into this genderless direction. We're going to stop breeding. Anyway, at the same time where artificial intelligence becomes the new alpha life form on earth. Yeah. But again, we just stop breed off. We just stop breeding. But one of the things, I mean, we, I just feel like there's all these, there are all these tests ahead of humanity, right? From the things you've just been talking about and all sorts of other things geopolitical and so on. Why are we wasting time concentrating on this imaginary thing?

1:10:11It's not a real problem. It is, it is a, it is a mass delusion spread by the internet. But it's a real problem in that men are always a real problem. Sure. But like, my point is, most robberies, most murders, most car accidents, most high speed car chases, most assault on police officers, most everything. Absolutely. And we have to deal with the reality of life if we are going to take this major evolutionary step as human beings with AI. Because if we, if we continue ignoring the insanity that the internet has, as, as brought about with this movement, we're just going to waltz right into the next one, you know?

1:10:50Yeah. If we don't take time to say, okay, what just happened? Right. Why did it happen? How can we make sure it doesn't happen again? Because it seems to me now that with the trans thing, the human race with the internet is, is hugely vulnerable to these kinds of what you might call them sense destroying viruses. Whatever you might call them. I don't know. There should be a word for what the trans movement is. But I think we're so vulnerable to it that we have to start developing antibodies, you know? I agree with you because I do think that something else could come from a different direction, right?

1:11:25So here's what we saw in our lifetime, this same kind of thinking, the same kind of bizarre, violent group thinking. We saw it from COVID. We saw people that turned on their neighbors that were skeptical about the vaccine or people that didn't want to take it. They were called murderers and play grats and this craziness where people were ostracized from social circles because they weren't vaccinated. And even though in hindsight, they were directly correct, right? There's been no course correction, but there was this other ring of people for a very simple thing. Like if that fucking thing works and you take it, why are you mad at me if I don't take it if it works?

1:12:08That means you're not going to get COVID, no matter what fucking happens to me, right? So it was weird and illogical, just like the trans thing, but violent. And people were terrified because your life was in danger. So you saw the most vile reactions from older populations who were calling for people to be quarantined, round up in camps, take away their livelihood, take away their children. You were hearing it from these old terrified people with fragile health. And they all got really violent about it online. They got really, really extreme in their positions on this. Yeah, yeah. And I didn't notice that stuff so much.

1:12:47Oh, in America, it was nuts. Yeah. In America, it was wild. And it was pushed by these multimedia corporations, these huge news corporations. It was pushed by them. It was all nonsense and propaganda, including Rolling Stone and CNN. Rolling Stone had a whole article that was 100 % bullshit about people who were waiting in line at the emergency room for gunshot wounds because there were so many people that were getting treated for horse dewormer because they took too much ivermectin. Wow. Total fabrication with a stock photograph of people waiting in line in August in Oklahoma. This is supposed to be taking place.

1:13:28A stock photograph of people wearing winter coats outside in line because they're waiting for the flu shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's a lie. It's a lie. And so there's this willingness to lie with no retractions on all the major television networks. Everybody was like pushing this one narrative and everyone at home was locked down. Yeah. You couldn't go to work. You couldn't go to school and everyone was terrified because this had never happened before. And we got to see how quickly people who are cowards just attack the others to try to keep themselves safe. You got very rat -like. I think it's, I think it's, we live in a village now, really, when you think about it.

1:14:06And I often describe myself as a victim of village gossip on a global scale, you know? That's it. That's it. Yeah. But it's written down, so it seems a lot more real. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, when the Bible, when the printing press appeared, there was a hundred years of chaos, as all these sects and everyone who had a crazy idea about the Bible that they'd had themselves, oh, on the seventh page, it says this, I'm line seven. And that would become a religion, right? And then for a hundred years, these religions were fighting it out. There was programs and massacres and Protestantism was formed because of it.

1:14:43We're having a similar moment, right? Yeah. With the internet. Yeah. Because suddenly every idiot with an opinion is putting it out there. So, never great opinions. So, never terrible opinions, but there's no difference. And one thing I've noticed with the left is that with bad opinions, all they do is they repeat certain lines over and over again. You know, and you hear these things come up over and over. That's why I reacted slightly earlier because trans women have always been with us. It's one that you hear a lot, you know? Right. But you also hear, you know, just things designed to shut down the conversation.

1:15:14You know? And you see them over and over again. They're repeated over and over again. Whatever you think of the Gaza situation at the moment, I noticed that it's the same thing. Genocide, over and over and over again. In every tweet they mentioned were genocide, you know? And I don't happen to think it is, but like, at by the end of it, if you were to stand up against that and say something against that, it's a difficult thing because you suddenly look like you're against genocide. You're pro genocide. What is the measure of genocide? Like when does it become genocide? Like when you're starving people, when you're bombing indiscriminately, when you've destroyed most of the buildings, when you've killed, who knows how many tens of thousands of women and children?

1:15:58Well, do we want to get into this? Yeah. I mean, we got into it a little bit. I just think that, you know, Hamas is, I agree with Coleman Hughes, I think it was on your show, where he says that, you know, Hamas, they've built like a huge network of tunnels underneath people's houses. They put their headquarters in civilian buildings. It's a form of guerrilla warfare that I don't think should be allowed to continue. And I support Israel in defeating Hamas. Is there another way to do it other than to blow up everybody? Is there a way to do it without starving the innocent people? You know, again, I just don't know how much of this is Hamas, you know, comes from Hamas.

1:16:39I don't know how much of it is true. I would suggest that all these conversations wait until we finally find out exactly what's happened, you know. At the moment, it's fog of war stuff, you know. But I don't want to get into a big debate. Do you know, have you ever heard of Eric Prince's idea? Do you know Eric Prince? Do you know who he is? Was he the Blackwater guy? Yeah. He had an idea that apparently he floated Bob, but they rejected. He said, instead of destroying everything like that, you could just flood the tunnel system with the seawater. Oh, well, yeah, great. I mean, that was his idea.

1:17:08Yeah. He's like, you could flush them all right out. Like, they're very vulnerable. Yeah, yeah. And I don't know whether or not, I'm, you know, just, I heard him speak of this. I believe it was on the Sean Ryan show. I might be incorrect. He spoke about it on some show. I don't know if it would work. I don't know why they would reject it. Yeah, yeah. I didn't know. But as I say, I don't really want to go into it because it's such a, again, it's a very, very heated debate. And I've only got room for one. I understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying. When we were, when you're dealing with all this, you lost your entire income.

1:17:45You lost everything. You lost your standing in the television world. Yeah. You lost a lot of your friends. Oh, my friends. No one's talking with you. Two people. Jonathan Ross and Richard Ioetti. Everyone else. All the people I'd, you know, given jobs to made famous. Well, shout out to those two soldiers. Oh, great. Richard's great. It's hard. It's hard to, when someone close to you gets canceled and you're worried about catching strays. Yeah. Actually, I should say, there are a few people that have stood by me. Lisa Evans, wonderful woman who produced Father Ted and a few other people. She's a, she's a big feminist.

1:18:21So I shouldn't be too, but, but in terms of my actual old life, everyone just don't me, you know. Crazy. Yeah. That's the beautiful thing about the comedy community. Like we expect cancellations. Yeah. You cancel like nobody. You guys are so interesting. I compare you guys to the birds that feed in between the teeth of crocodiles, you know. You guys dance so close to being, to being canceled. But you don't, you don't, it doesn't seem to touch you and it's always great to see. I don't know if you saw it. Did you see the trigonometry interview with Kill Tony, Tony Hinchcliffe? I did not. You got to watch that.

1:18:58Tony's my boy, though. He's my best friend. So presumably he told you about that Chinese incident. Oh, I was there. I was there for the whole thing. I was there for the whole thing. Mine blowing. I was there for the whole thing. What saved Tony was that he had a recording of the entire set, including the other guy's set. Yes, that's right. And that's what saved him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it became, I mean, but Tony was going through it, man. It was hard, it was hard to watch a friend go through it like that. Yeah. But, you know, he took like a week off, maybe two weeks off. And then I brought him on the road with me in Utah.

1:19:29We did Salt Lake City, which is an awesome place. Wise guys in Salt Lake City, shout out. It's one of the best clubs in the world. So we did this club. And the audience had no idea who was opening for me. It's just me, right? And when they announced Tony Hinchcliffe's name, everybody went crazy. Oh, yeah. It was awesome. Yeah. It was awesome. People stood up. They clapped. They cheered. And he went up and murdered. Yeah. He had so much material on that cancellation. It was so good. It was like an amazing moment for him. Because his comedy actually jumped up an arch. He actually got funnier because of it.

1:20:06He like tightened his bits up. He got more aggressive when he was like, he got really dialed. And he was worried his whole world was going away. Same as Shane. I mean, Shane, Shane came up on top of that. So brilliantly. Exactly. Yeah. I just love people who, but for some reason, I just couldn't do it. I think because you didn't have a comedy community, like a stand -up community. And also my job required a cast and a crew and producers and agents and funding. The UK art sector is completely captured, you know? Well, it's the same as America. I mean, America is a giant issue with left -wing politics in Hollywood.

1:20:41Yeah. You're either on the team or you're outside. Yeah. If you're outside that you don't work. The only one who works is Chris Pratt. Right. Chris Pratt is like openly Christian, but he's such a nice guy. You cannot fault him. Sure. He's such a good guy. You can't say him being a Christian is an issue. It's so strange that they're coming up to Christians. It's like, you know, real Christians are the nicest fucking people you'll ever meet. Exactly. Yeah. They really follow Jesus' principles. Like if you want to use it as a method, like if you want results. Like their results are pretty fucking solid.

1:21:16Real Christians really follow it. Yeah. Some of the nicest people. And also, you know, you can disagree with them and not fall out with them. Right. Clint Eastwood's grandfather then because he's old as fuck. Like they still let him make movies. Who? Clint Eastwood. Oh, Clint Eastwood. How dare you? Clint. I like his late stage, though. His late stage of movies. Yeah. Like those kind of documentary like about ordinary people who get caught up in things. He did one Richard Lewis, I think it was cold. That was brilliant. About a security man who found an explosive device at a gig. And because he pointed it out, they charged him with it.

1:21:50I remember that guy. Yeah. That guy got smeared all over the news. We all thought that he was the guy who bombed. Yeah. Yeah. We thought he was the bomber. And the film he said he had one day of being a hero. And then it flipped, too. Oh, my God. You know, it's so scary when things like that happen to people. Because, you know, but Clint, he had this one film to me that is like the answer to the spaghetti westerns. That's unforgiven. I think it's the best western of all time. Because I think it's probably the most accurate about how fucked up life was back then. Have you ever read Larry McMurtry?

1:22:25No. He's a Texan author. You've got to read Lonesome Dove. I started Lonesome Dove, but I got distracted. There's something that happens about page 100. And you will not be able to put it down after. Oh, spoiler alert. Yeah. But like, hang in there. But those books, those Lonesome books, the Lonesome books series by Larry McMurtry. I watched every western differently after that. Because I suddenly realized what these people, how brave these settlers were. Oh, they were crazy. And also he writes about Indians. And sorry, Native Americans brilliantly, just as well as he writes about everyone else, you know.

1:23:01Oh, they're great books. They're great books. You just cannot put them down. You do 800 pages. You'd read them in a week, you know. Well, I went through all the old series of Wild West books that I read after I read Empire of the Summer Moon. Oh, yeah. What will happen? No, not Empire of Summer Moon. No, I know which one you're talking about. You're talking about the Cheroke. Oh, damn it. How am I saying that wrong? Is this Chellian? No. Why were they? Oh, I think I read a bit of the Comanches. Comanches. That's right. But what is the... Oh, that's a comment. Damn it. What's that? It is Empire of Summer Moon?

1:23:37Yeah. Why am I... Oh, I'm confusing with that Leonardo DiCaprio movie. Let me move you afterwards. Oh, right. But have they made Empire of the Summer Moon already? They're working on that, I believe. Yeah, no. I was thinking of the Leonardo DiCaprio. I was right. So Empire of the Summer Moon, which is all about the Comanches and all about the settlers and all about people that got slaughtered. And you realize, like, how insane life was like. And I think Eastwood was the closest, I think. To really getting it. Because I think... I love those old spaghetti westerns. Don't get me wrong. But they were this kind of like bullshitty 1970s version of the Wild West.

1:24:11Sure. And Eastwood never got shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was more grit in that one. And it was real. It was like, I believe it. Yeah. I believe that the sheriff was a coward. Also, it was an interesting thing in it. You might... If you watch it again, you might notice. But they all know each other. So we're here. They all go... Do you know William Dancing or whatever? And I go... Yeah, yeah, yeah. And because it's like... Even though they're all spread out, they all know each other. So it's... I bet you're not based on research, you know? I bet it is as well. Yeah. Well, they had to know each other.

1:24:43But you know... It's fucking people and there's no laws. Yeah. It's the day... You have to know who the dangers people are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. William Money. Yeah, that was a great movie. Oh, fucking great. No, I love Clint. He's... But he's grandfathered in as a conservative. John Voight is kind of on the out. But he was, you know. But you know, I remember... I even kind of was worried about you in the early days. Like, I used to be a bit of a... A bit of a left wing twat myself. You know, I... I... I famous... One of the most famous things I did was... Do you remember the... The saluting pug guy who...

1:25:15Yes. ...who got his... Yeah, well, I... I kind of joined in on all that. And I'm deeply ashamed of it. And I actually apologize to him that this is a... I did a video and I apologize that I roast. That he did. Good for you. Because, like, you know, I just... But I completely... This is what I found out. Yes, I did do it. I completely believed he was a fascist. Because that's what every publication was telling me. Right. And I was trusting all these people who eventually came out against me. And now I look back and I think I was just lied to consistently for all these years. And it's meant that I have to re -address things that I've spent the last 25 years thinking about.

1:25:54But I realize now it wasn't really thinking deeply enough about them. Like climate change. I was always so terrified of climate change, you know? Yeah. And, you know, I've had about 30 years being terrified about climate change. And nothing's happening. Well, go back and watch that stupid fucking movie that Al Gore made. Yeah. That movie's so wrong. In terms of its predictions. Yeah. It's, you know, in the benefits of hindsight looking bad. I was told 2019 we'd all be underwater, you know? Well, it's not just that. Have you ever seen one of those aerial time -lapse photos of the coast? No. Yeah, the bitch doesn't move.

1:26:29No room moves since 1980s. It's not going nowhere. The reality is the fucking Earth's climate has never been static. It's never been flat. It's never been super predictable. It's always gone up and down. Yeah. And the reality of our life is, yeah, we pollute and it's terrible. And we should definitely figure out better solutions. The reality is all that stuff that we're putting in the air in terms of carbon dioxide, that is an issue. But also particulates. Also, brake dust. Also, when your tires wear out, where do you think they go? Yeah. They go in the fucking air. Like that brand of Bill Burr routine.

1:27:07When you throw away your Apple charger, you know, do you think it just mysteriously disappears? Yeah. That was a fucking landfill. A fucking, yeah, or a shark starts wearing it as a scarf, you know? That's what it is, you know? Well, there's a lot of birds who eat bottle caps. That's a real problem. You ever seen those terrifying photos of dead birds with stomach? Like they're rotted out and you see their stomach and full bottle caps? No. Yeah. It's a real issue. Yeah. That's our problem. Our problem is pollution. Our problem is waste. Our problem is destroying of rivers and the ocean and oil spills.

1:27:44These are all problems. Climate change, this idea, the problem with it has become politicized. And it's become a thing that you have to support, just like you have to support trans rights, just have you have to support this or that or whatever the fuck you get vaccinated. It's all the same shit. It's never been more difficult or more... It's never been made more frightening to do your own thinking. To actually say it is a no dangerous thing to do. Well, you're literally told on mainstream news to not do it. Don't do your own research. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is a crazy thing to tell people in the age of information, whether you have more access to reality and truth than ever historically by far with human beings.

1:28:26Don't do it. Yeah. Don't use it. Don't utilize it. Don't utilize the greatest tool that mankind has ever devised for figuring out what the fuck is going on. Don't do it. And you see the kind of mainstream news people in the UK, as people like who have podcasts like Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart and these ex news readers who are on this program called the news agents. And their job is to deliberately not know things, right? It's almost like... I mean, I think you got the same thing over here with CNN and stuff. You know, their job is to just express confusion about it. Why is everything so...

1:29:03And they cannot actually address the issues, because if they address the issues, they will start saying things that will get them cancelled. You know? And so what you have is a kind of a chewing gum for information in the UK. It's not real. It's not actually information. It's just these middle -class people, very privileged people, gabbing away. They all think there's no problem with men and women's spaces because they will never have to use a shelter. They will never have to use a rape crisis center, God willing. You know? So these people who actually are affected by these issues are the last thing on their minds.

1:29:40They are very comfortable middle -class people who do not give a damn about anyone outside of their experience. There's also no benefit to rocking the boat. Yeah. If you have to realize what those people are are mouthpieces. You're just a mouthpiece for an organization who occasionally, unfortunately for the network, gets to express their true opinions on things and usually you find out they're fucking dumb. Yeah. Right? That happens all the time. Yeah, yeah. And the really smart ones wind up leaving and going somewhere else. It's starting podcasts. But someone that's not there for it. Like the thing I was saying earlier about the chain of trust among doctors.

1:30:15The W -Path breaking the chain of trust to such an extent has affected the whole world. You know? So now we can't trust our news readers to tell us the truth. They're telling us a man, a man attacks some people when it's really a woman. We can't trust doctors because doctors are telling these incredibly damaging things to kids. Kid comes in with depression. Oh, you're trans. I'll tell you. Here's a story. I've got this. This is a story that really illustrates the problem. And it's another problem with the press as well. But in New Zealand, there was a young girl. She was 16 years old, I believe.

1:30:49And she was autistic and anorexic. And her parents were first generation, I think, immigrants. And I had no idea what was going on, right? She was suddenly saying she was a boy. They didn't know what she was talking about, you know? And so they didn't go with it. And she left home, right? Encouraged by what they call a glitter family, which is a bunch of gay or trans -identified people who love bomb her and tell her that she needs to get rid of her parents because her parents are bigots. So she moves in with this glitter family. They can't deal with her because she's autistic. So within a couple of months, she's gone from the house.

1:31:30She's nowhere to live. Can't go back home, has told her parents she's big. They're bigots. The New Zealand government, they meet her. They don't diagnose her as autistic or as anorexic. They diagnose her as trans. They give her a hotel room. She died in that hotel room. She started to death in the hotel room. Because the New Zealand government called her trans and forgot about a young autistic and anorexic 16 -year -old girl. And at the end of it, she was just about making up with her parents. And she phoned her mother. Oh, sorry, excuse me. Good, I'm well. She phoned her mother a few times in a row, just about to make it up.

1:32:12And then she got a call from the police. And she found out that the daughter had been in the hotel right around the corner from where she lived. So she left the house, went up into the room, and took a photograph of her daughter dead. No one would tell the story. It's taken a year and a half to get this story out in New Zealand media. Because no one cares. No one cares. It's not that no one cares. It's a trans story. So you just can't get it out. And in every country, there's always one or two activists who do everything they can. Like the journalist or the people involved with that story were attacked by a camp member's name.

1:32:48But there's an activist over there. Very vicious activist. As there is in Ireland and the UK and a few different places. And there are always the parents of trans -identified kids. You know, the worst people, the worst activists, the most violent activists. Helen Joyce is a brilliant Irish writer, and she pointed this out. They have done the worst thing that you can do to your kids. They have confused their kids. And sometimes they've actually encouraged their kids to take these hormones and to go through these procedures to be castrated, to have a double mastectomy. They will never be able to accept what they've done to their kids.

1:33:23And I know there's one Irish activist who's been planning on transiting his kid for at least 12 years, right? And now the kid is grown up. Of course, the kid is, takes their man. Because they've lived with this homophobic parent, you know, who basically doesn't like seeing gender non -conforming behaviors in their child. So they say, oh, he's a woman. Or she's a man, you know? So these are the people who are, you know, that guy in New Zealand. Even when the story came out, he still tried to attack the people telling it. He put me in some sort of conspiracy of creating a bigger deal about it than it needed to be.

1:34:06The young girl who died in a hotel room, because they called her trans and just forgot about her. You know, like, how did it take a year and a half for New Zealand media to report on that? In a country that's small, you know? And there's so many stories like this. Well, I think the dam is breaking, because I think there's been a lot of people that are fed up, and they realize that there's irreversible harm being caused to people that are being tricked. These stories of the detransitioners, and them being attacked online for telling their story, which is true. Yeah. It's a true story about them being confused and being told that they were trans and going through these procedures and deeply regretting it.

1:34:49Yeah. And then going back to the biological sex, they get destroyed online. They get treated worse than anyone else, you know, because they are living proof that it's not innate. It makes no sense. There's no compassion. There's no kindness. And I'll tell you what else. It's evil. And also, I'll tell you what else. I have a, I have an iPhone, right? And whenever I write the word detransitioners on my iPhone, which I have caused to do quite a lot, it underlines it in red, because it will not recognize the word exists. But is it because it doesn't know the word yet? Yeah, but how does it work? It does it with Kant, too.

1:35:23Yeah, but detransitioners isn't a dirty word. Actually, it doesn't do with Kant anymore. Right. But they used to... Well, detransitioners is a dirtier word than this. Let me see if it works in America. Do you have an American iPhone? No. I'll be curious. I'm going to take care of you right now. But if people like want to go away and try writing detransitioners and see if it underlines it. But, you know, and my point is that one of those... On the line that... Yeah. On the fuckers. There you go. Let's see if it gives me some suggestions. But no replacement found. I have no idea what you're talking about.

1:36:00Exactly. It's playing dumb. And that's what Wikipedia is the same. Wikipedia is moderated by trans activists. But that's kind of crazy. Yeah. I wish I had my Android phone here. I'd want to check it out. Yeah, that would be interesting. But Wikipedia has been... There was a war within Wikipedia, I believe, where all the trans... Trans ally moderators won. And now Wikipedia... My Wikipedia page has basically been vandalized for years, you know? And if I complain to press authority, that they call me anti -trans, they go, well, it says it's on your Wikipedia. Oh, my God. And we've tried to change it, but it reverts back within 15 minutes every time.

1:36:37So if anyone would like to do a class action suit against Wikipedia, I'd love to be involved if that ever. Just for the record, Cunt doesn't show up on the red line. Okay, there you go. Detransitioner does. Cunt does not. There you go. There you go. I wonder which... Is it the actual... But my point... Actually, sorry. The reason I bring it up is because a lot of tech guys are tech because they're autistic, right? And they... A lot of coders are... You know, you spend all your time writing in the dark and coding stuff. Your interests go that way. So the trans thing has come up a lot as well from kind of manipulation by these tech guys, who are a lot of whom identify as trans.

1:37:21So we're living in a world now where, like the underlying detransitioner, they are controlling what we think is normal and what we think is unusual. So to everyone now, we write down detransitioner, you doubt yourself, because there's a red line underneath it. Oh, it would almost be a real word, or it's D and then a space, maybe, or whatever. But no, you're right. It's just these fucking tech guys are trying to confuse you, keep you unbalanced, you know, so that you can't discuss this issue. That is a weird one, because when did detransitioner first start being used? When did the term... I don't know.

1:37:54I mean, you know... The term is clearly... You only use it with sex, right? You're only using it with gender, whatever you want to say, sex or gender. That's the only... Detransitioner, I'm transitioning anything from something to something else that's not ever done before. And I don't remember every using that term detransitioner in any other way. That's interesting, possibly because, you know, this detransitioner is not... As I say, it's not real. It's an artificial human -invented thing. Yes, and it kind of implies regret. Yeah. The detransitioner stories are never happy ones. You know the American Southern Law Center, if you ever heard of them?

1:38:32They have named Chloe Cole. You know, Chloe Cole, the detransitioner, she's doing brilliant work. They've named her as a far -right, simply because she's going around telling her story. Oh! I think I'm far -right too. They say I'm far -right too. They say everyone's far -right. If you say anything that diverts from what a bunch of lunatics online have agreed is the truth, then you're far -right. Yeah, you know. Yeah, you can't. Everyone's politically homeless. We have to realize that. Start a shelter. Yeah, this is called the center. But I don't think the systems we have are going to be... are going to last much longer.

1:39:11I think AI is going to change everything. I think you're right. But I think reluctantly, because there's people that are in control of the system right now that are extracting enormous amounts of money. You know, with just filling the blank of all the different special interests that have a hand in how much money gets distributed this way and that way, there's so much of that that really fuels the decisions that are being made in this country. Sure. It's not really the will of the people. It's not really trying to make America great. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it is. But also, if you really wanted to do it, you wouldn't do it this way.

1:39:46Yeah. If that's what your main goal was, if your main goal was to make money and give the illusion that we're fixing all the problems that America has, while fixing some of them, well, then that's what you're doing. Because that's what your goal seems to be. Your goal is not... The real goal should be like letting AI have a look at everything. Like, what's the best way to distribute all these resources and is it really fair that this corporation gets to pollute the fucking ocean? Like, let's figure out what's the right way to do this. Yeah. And that's going to be horrifying for anybody in any position of power.

1:40:18It's like people say about your show. You know, Reason Kamala wouldn't... Didn't Kamala. Simply because there's a certain breed of a politician who are, I think, dying out, who are the kind of politicians that couldn't survive three years talking to you. You know? Right. And they... I don't think they've long left because things like this are the way that people get their information now. So, you know, you get these like... And it's the only reason why people... Oh, I've got a good thing to tell you about AOC as well. It's the only reason why people like... AOC and people like this are able to continue spouting nonsense.

1:40:54It's because they don't go on shows like this. Here's an interesting thing. At one point in my... I still haven't told you half the things I was going to tell you. But at one point, a streamer did a... I managed to take some money. I managed to stop the... the charity Mermaids from getting funding from the National Lottery in the UK. Mermaids used to be a good organization. Dysphoria was very rare and they treated it as you should, right? With things like affirmation as a final step. Not the first step. Okay? Surgery and drugs. Final. That's what it should always be. And they were great. And then they...

1:41:33a woman named Susie Green came on board. And Susie Green... The Susie ever finished? No. But her son did. Her son did. And Susie Green took over at Mermaids, transformed it into a mental institution. And she... she took her son to Thailand on his 16th birthday to have him castrated. You know? And now... And this... And this... And this has been brought up since they were four, five years old. Because she... There's a famous TED talk where... There's a hilarious... You gotta see this TED talk. She does this TED talk and she's got the, you know, the TED talk thing. So she looks like an expert. And she's doing the hand movements.

1:42:15Like they all do in TED talks, right? So you think this is someone who knows what they're talking about. And she just admits that... The kid like playing with girls toys. The husband didn't like it. She decided it was really a girl. And that's the TED talk. There's no explanation of what trans is or anything like that. Yeah. It just got... Yeah, exactly. This is the reality they don't like. Yeah. The reality they don't like is if you leave them alone and you don't encourage transition, the vast majority of them become gay men. It's something like 60 to 90%. Yeah. It's like leave them alone. And they'll be fine.

1:42:49The fastest cure for dysphoria and teenagers is leave them alone, let them go through puberty. Because puberty is like a wonderful flushing of all the things that make you uncertain about yourself. To come to the end of the puberty is to get rid of all that stuff. It's still there in traces and so on. But... That's what puberty does. It cures itself. So these people are trying to fucking stop it. Right? Have you ever heard anything so... It's like a James Bond villain. It's only so demented about stopping puberty. This brilliant process that turns you from a child into an adult. And they're stopping it.

1:43:25These people are dangerous. You're stopping in the line that the effects are reversible. One person at the Tava stock, one doctor at the Tava stock said that she was sure one of the parents who came in was a pedophile. And wanted to keep their child in a state of arrested development so they could abuse them longer.

1:43:46You know? This is doctors at the Tava stock. And again, this stuff is not well known. If it was well known, it would be over. You know? Yeah. Our fucking news has failed us. It really has. It's allowed us to go on for ten years. Do you know about... Did you see what Andy knows investigation into Tantifa, this gang of... Actually, Tantifa is a more general term, but there was an actual gang of trans -identified guys and women. And they went to this guy's... This guy was... I think it was an old rancher or something. And they blinded him in an attack, you know? And then he went out to... He was going to testify at the trial.

1:44:32And they killed him. They killed him. So what we have with this group... I can't remember what they were called. I wish I could remember. But what we have with this group is because no one has been doing their jobs, including the press and not talking about this properly. An entirely for fake terrorist group that thinks it's a civil rights movement has formed out of nothing. These are middle -class white guys, right? Who normally would be, I don't know, going to gigs and stuff. And this kind of violent civil rights group is formed for nothing. It's not defending anyone. It's not helping anyone.

1:45:09It's simply there to get men into women's toilets. And we've created it. And now we have to deal with it. This kind of mirage of a civil rights movement. Sorry, I'm not really being very clear... No, you are being clear today. It's just so disturbing. Yeah. But you're sticking your neck out and talking about the worst aspects of this whole thing. One of the things that it used to happen to me was I would talk about very specific people. Like, for instance, there was someone who worked in Stonewall who helped create their trans policies, named Amy Challener. And Challener... It was discovered that Challener was the son of a bloke who had tied up and tortured a little girl in the attic of their home.

1:45:59He still continued to work with Stonewall. He continued to use his father as an election agent. And when he was reprimanded, they said he had absolutely no understanding of what was wrong, of what he had done wrong and so on. This person was central to the trans movement in the UK. And there are so many examples of this. There's a guy called Peter Tachel. Peter Tachel has a long history of literally promoting Peter Filia as something that's sometimes enjoyed by the child. That's how he puts it. The famous letter he wrote to the Guardian, where he said, I have many friends who say they have experiences that ranged from nine to 13 where they had entirely good outcomes with what are you talking about?

1:46:49Nine. Nine is rape. 13 is rape. What are you talking about? It doesn't matter if they say they had good experiences. They were groomed. You know? And this man is fairly significant figure in the UK. You know? It's a no investigation into these writings. No kind of talk about it. Again, it's just completely ignored. Because as I say, the UK is addicted to harming children, not talking about it, and only kind of say, what could have happened years later? I just don't understand why there's not a larger population of people that have gotten completely fed up with this. It's because the press sits on it.

1:47:31Most people don't know what's happening. Most people in the UK think I just went mad. They think I went mad. I started harassing women, some form of women, and blah, blah, blah. And they believe all the stories that have been re -shared and re -shared about me. And, you know, and they just don't know because no, I've never, in the eight years, I've been fighting this. The only time I appeared on mainstream TV to talk about this issue, and I sent this to Jamie, was when they ambushed me, and they just berated me for five minutes. Journalist named Sarah Smith did the interview, who's now the head of BBC in North America, I should say.

1:48:09And... How did she berate you? Well, I was saying, she just simply didn't believe it. The funny thing was, some of her journalists were working on a story about the Tabestock at the time, and I was just saying, you know, kids are being hurt, kids are being hurt in these gender clinics, and it should be stopped, you know. And she was like, you're seriously saying, the doctors are blah, blah, blah, blah. And she just couldn't... It was so weird. She just couldn't... And the stuff I'd known to be true that I've been studying for years, she just wasn't across it, you know? So, the journalists aren't across it because it's not worth their while to be across it.

1:48:43And they're actually slowing down the understanding of what this is about, you know? Because they approach it so gingerly, and they don't offend anyone, they don't want to be canceled. So, there's no conversation about it. There's no conversation. Well, the journalists have no security, because it's not... Let's be honest. To be a talking head on the news, it's not that difficult to do. Sure. And there's a lot of people out there that are handsome and beautiful, and they would take your role. And so, you have a salary where you make X amount a year, and it's pretty nice. I mean, you get to be the presenter on television.

1:49:16They don't want to rock that fucking boat. Yes. No benefit to rocking that boat. It's the people that go the extra mile. Like, I was... You know, people who... I can't bring my old friends who worked with me into this fight. I can't say, look, you've got to stand up for me, you know? But I have begged people to help, you know? Like... Did you go on any podcasts in the UK? Uh... Not really, no. Again, the online space, because it's so... audience -facing, they would have just got tons of abuse for having me on, you know? Even trigonometry? Oh, no, trigonometry had me on. Yeah. Yeah. But like...

1:49:50In terms of... You know, yeah, there's a few, but I don't know. It just never quite broke out. In fact, to be honest with you, I've been... I've been thinking of this opportunity for the last eight years. Come on here? Yeah. Why do you reach out earlier? I mean, it is. You know? I just didn't think it would be... I thought you'd have a backlog of years and so on and... Well, I do kind of, but I do it all based entirely on who I want to talk to. Okay, cool. That's the whole... From the beginning of the podcast, it's all... You know, this is an interesting story. Yeah. This guy's fascinating. She's got a crazy thing that she studied.

1:50:26Sure. Like, let's talk. Oh, and I should say... Also, you know, while I was going through COVID and cancelled, I did write this book... Unpaid because I was... I was promised to be a back -end. And then the book came out, and all books others started hiding the book. Oh, my God. In bookshops. So, if anyone wants to help out, my book is called Tough Crowd and is available on Amazon. Did you do the audio? Yeah. The audio's good, actually. I'm happy with the audio. I'm sure. Yeah, you did it. Oh, it's great. That's very nice. That's awesome. Yeah, I'm always very happy when... Especially, like, someone's telling a story about their own life.

1:51:03Yeah. No, I'm proud of it. It was really good fun. And, you know, quite interesting to read out your own story. It's so weird, you know. Yeah. But... Have you thought about leaving the UK? I've left. You have left totally. I have to leave. I'm on trial next month in the UK. For what? A trans activist has brought another... It was as complain to the police about me again, you know? And so, I have to go back to... To the UK to be tried... At the start of August. Because the police are complicit with these guys. You know? And what is this complaint about? It's... It's a complaint. How much... I can't really talk much about it.

1:51:40Okay. Because my bail conditions are not to talk about it. Oh, my God. But I'll be talking about it when it's done. I'll enjoy that, you know? Because this... The whole situation is so hilarious. When people find out what's really going on, they're going to be... I can talk about... There's one guy who's... Oh, yeah. There is a connection with the guy I was telling you at the start. The very first guy who the Guardian wrote about. You know? So, it's like... It's just basically a gang. I compare... It's been like being attacked by Batman villains for the last eight years. Do you know what I mean?

1:52:12This bizarre group of people have been able to sue me. And there's one actor, Scottish actor, who destroyed a gay business, who's suing me at the moment. I've been in litigation for about eight years. For one reason or another. Because... I'm never... I'm because I don't have the money to sue people. So, people are constantly suing me. Reporting me to the police. I've been visited by the police three or four times. You know, that was one of the things that really scared my wife when they sent the police to my house, you know? And it was precious like that that broke us up, you know? Along with not having an income.

1:52:49So, and now that the people who did that to us make fun of me because I'm divorced, you know? So, it's just a really evil bunch of like, you know... I guess it's a natural party internet in some way to have a hate figure, you know? But by God, it should scare everybody how easy it is to become a hate figure when you've not done anything wrong, you know? Yeah, and if you don't have a voice. Yeah. How difficult it is to defend yourself. And, you know, and also... And people are like, shying away from your ability to defend yourself. They don't want you on because they don't want to catch strays.

1:53:29Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, there's a guy who I first put on TV in the UK. You may know Graeme Norton. Yeah, sure. Yeah. And, like, I gave him his first TV appearance, okay? And father Ted. And he went on TV and said something like, cancel culture didn't exist. It's consequences culture. And he knows very well what I've been through. And he knows very well that I'm not saying anything bigoted. And yet he still says this. As if I haven't had my life completely destroyed. He knows... And it was in reference to you that he was saying? No, I don't think so. Yeah. I think he just... He's spouting the narrative.

1:54:04He's spouting the narrative, you know? Yeah, he's showing that he's a good boy. Yeah. He's gonna follow the rules. Exactly. And that's what's scary. A lot of people fall into that that you would hope wouldn't. Well, that's what I find so... That's one of the reasons why I came here. I can't live in the UK anymore. As far as I'm concerned, free speech does not exist in the UK. So it's certainly as far as I'm concerned, you know? Well, we've highlighted on the show how many people have been arrested. Like, when Constantine from trigonometry gave me those figures. I couldn't believe it. It was mind -boggling.

1:54:33The UK is involved. Basically, the UK likes nothing better than sweeping stuff under the road. Well, not just that, but... That's why Rotherham went on for 30 years, you know? What? What went on? The Rotherham abuse scandal. All these taxi drivers, Pakistani taxi drivers, were abusing kids over 30 years, like local girls, local white girls, doing the most appalling things to them. And it was just everyone was scared of being a racist. So they just let it go on. And it's the same thing with this. And, you know, I always think, when we were talking about Oliver and Stuart earlier, like they said, the puberty blockers were reversible about two years ago.

1:55:12How many kids since then have gone on puberty blockers? Partly because of what they said, you know? It's like people who kind of realize, you know, Graham Norton saying that about counterculture, John Stuart saying that about puberty blockers. Their words have consequences, you know? Yeah. And real people can be hurt, you know? People just spout off stuff. And not people that deserve it. No. And this is the thing. This casting of othering on people, like instantaneously. I had never had a pro, I've never had anyone accusing me of anything on a set. I always got on great with all my actors. I knew all my crew's name.

1:55:50That was one thing I always developed a skill. Because I'm terrible with names normally. But I learned every crew member's name. I've not been in any way controversial until this. And then the moment I started saying, hey, hang on a sec. And all of my friends, you know, all the friends who betrayed me, the hat trick, and my friends on the Ted musical, all they had to say was, of course, women deserve fair sports. Of course, women deserve single sex basis. That's all they had to say. And they can't do it. They can't do it. It's such an obvious moral thing, you know? Obvious. And that's what's amazing about the power of cults.

1:56:26And people do not like to think that they're in a cult. But if you have no room for objectivity and logic, and you hold things as doctrine that don't make sense, they could be easily argued against. And if you get very violent, when someone argues against that, you're in a cult. Yeah. But also, there's people who don't get violent. But they're also in a cult, but they don't realize it. Because when I was talking about the chain of trust, right? If you're a newsreader and you get a piece of copy that says, talks about a newborn baby and uses the word assigned at birth, they're sexist. The sex they were assigned at birth, right?

1:57:04That's ideological language. Your sex is not assigned at birth. Your sex is observed in usual, usually, a few months before birth. Okay? So assigned at birth is ideological language. So what you have is a lot of people now using the word assigned at birth, they don't know why. It's because that was decided to be the correct terminology. And it is nonsense. You know? Full nonsense. Yeah. Biological nonsense. Yeah. We've known it forever. You could check chromosomes. Yeah. It's not hard. But it's like, you know, we've become hypnotized by appearances to such an extent that, you know, you get a, like every single, there's a very funny thing.

1:57:46And appearances of, like, virtue and appearance. No, I mean, avatars. As a human. Yeah. I mean, actual avatars. It's the idea that you're a woman, if you look like one, it's like, when did that come from? Where did that come from? And especially in a world where people can use filters and all sorts of things. One of the guy who, the guy who came after me in the UK, his latest female name is the third or fourth name he's had. It's just he hit on one that he could report people to the police if they said, hey, hang on a second. You owe me money from three months rent. He would report them for anti -transracment.

1:58:24Oh, my God. You know? And so, you know, it's just nutty people. Yeah, and it's just appearance. If you're a dude and you change your name more than once, even if you change your name once. Yeah. Unless you're a boy named Sue. The whole thing. I need to know why you change your fucking name. Exactly. It's hangin' a sec. If these people are becoming who they really are, why are they cutting off pieces of themselves? That's not them. That's someone else. Why are they cutting? You know what I mean? It's like, if they're being who they really are, why are you changing your name? Right. You know? This idea of affirming.

1:58:58Like gender affirming care. Yeah. You know, call hormone replacements, castration. The craziest one is the penis that they make out of the leg muscle. Oh, I didn't know that one. Oh. Yeah. Dude. Yeah. It's horrific. Right. Shane Gillis one night in the green room of the mothership. Yeah. Starting pulling out all these pictures. Oh, yeah. No, I never watch it. I never look at pictures of it. Because of the internet now, we have a lot of data on what this is. And they do it so they can stand up peeing. That's it. You can't. Oh, the frickin' fake penis thing. Exactly. Follow -plast. Do you know what the worst ISO was?

1:59:36What? Okay. We've noticed that when you see these girls, they often take photographs just after the double mastectomy, okay? Yeah. And they're smiling. And they look delirious with happiness. Because this thing, they've been bargaining with their parents for three years. They've finally got it. They've got these terrible looking, you know, wounds over their breasts and so on. And they're just kind of, you know, they're still out of their mind with the drugs that they've been taken to go on. How fuck I forgot where we brought this up. What were you talking about just before that? Fake penises. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:00:13Okay. And we've noticed in these photographs that a lot of the girls have self -harming scars all over their bodies. Okay. And this fucking double mastectomy, this unnecessary double mastectomy is the latest one. These bastard doctors just carried out on her. Anyway, I saw a penis that had been, you know the way they take the flesh off the arm or the leg, yeah. Or the leg. Yeah. I saw a penis that had been made out of the arm of one of these girls. And these self -harming scars were all over the penis. Oh, God. You know, did you know the first vagina plastic was carried out by a Nazi? I got into trouble because I compared because because a magazine in the UK misreported something I said and said that I was comparing trans activists to Nazis.

2:01:05And, you know, when did this happen that the Nazis did that? Oh, no, what happened was I think his name was Aaron Gorpart and he was working in some clinic before the war. And then he went on to join the Luftwaffe and then he became, he was one of the scientists who tortured people at Belgium. That's the first person who did a vaginal plastic. Jesus. So these are literally Nazi experiments that are now, you know, that were now arguing that kids should do, you know. I kind of thought this company, you would make that face a few times in this conversation. But, you know, yeah, it's just, and the thing is.

2:01:47I would down a rabbit hole one night where I was watching people talk about their dialations. How they have to keep something in there to keep the wound from closing up. It's a Cronenberg movie. You know Cronenberg? Oh, sure. It's just like that. It's horrific. It's just, it's wild. What's this? Institute for Sexual Research served as the worst first tranclinic by 1930. It performed its first modern gender affirming surgery. Yeah, but I don't think that's the place that's being, that I'm talking about. Yeah. Magnus Hirschfeld. Magnus Hirschfeld. This is a big thing that trans activists say that there was all this, that Nazis destroyed all this, all this trans history.

2:02:25It's not true. They went after him because he was due. That's what they went after him. The idea, the first tranclinic, if you look at the first few pages of Google search results, if you put in anything about trans, you'll get three or four pages of absolute nonsense. You know, of stuff that, another had Fred Sargent. I'm just remembering all the stuff I wanted to say to you. Fred Sargent. He got to try and get him on. He's, he's getting on. And he was like, he's a, he's a gay guy who was there at every single night of the Stonewall riots, you know. And he is still on Twitter, still fighting.

2:03:01He's, he's fucking great. He went on to, he, he arranged the first pride march in New York. He was highly instrumental in gay rights in the US and in winning civil rights for gay people in the US. He's had to watch as, as these trans activists just make up lies about any transvestite who happened to be in the area. There's one guy, I forgot his name, Marsha, Marsha something. And I'm sure you've heard all these, this thing again, it's another one of these kind of thought terminating cliches that, you know, trans people won you your rights and trans people were through the first bracket at Stonewall.

2:03:42It's Bollocks, you know, like the Marsha person they're talking of was purely peripheral character. And the person who really kicked it off, who has been sort of, is being gradually erased, was a lesbian who's, ah, her name, because again, being raised from my memory because I haven't, haven't used it so long. But it was a lesbian who, who shouted out to the crowd as she was being forced into a police car. Why, why aren't you guys doing anything? And that's what kicked off the riot. And, and that history and that contribution by lesbians and gay men is being erased by trans rights activists in front of Fred's eyes.

2:04:18So Fred is on Twitter saying, no, that's not true, just over and over again. You know, he, he lived it. He was, he was right at the center of, of gay civil rights in the, in the US. And in his last few years, he has to watch these idiots pick apart and lie about the true history of gay rights. Well, the thing is, we're dealing with an oppressive hierarchy. And if you're more pressed than anybody, you take the supreme position. You're the person to be cherished. And anybody underneath you, regular gay people are below trans people in suppression hierarchy. Well, the trans people are the apex. Oh, yeah.

2:04:56They're a sacred class. A sacred class. Yes. And that's what's weird because that is kind of homophobic. And also, one of the things we learned with Ireland, right? And the, the Catholic Church scandal is no sacred classes. There should be no sacred classes. Because sacred classes have a lot of power. And power is misused all the time, always. Yeah. So, so the idea of a sacred, like I don't know what you know this, but girl guiding in the UK. What does that mean? You know the scouts? Yes. Girl guiding. They have a rule, very strict rules for men. Okay. Men cannot go over, spend the night overnight in a tent with girls, go on trips, all this sort of stuff.

2:05:41This is all sorts of very sensible rules to do with men in girl guiding because you're dealing with kids. Okay. Young girls. Those rules, they don't just soften for trans identified men. They disappear. So if a man says that he's a woman as a transvestite, all those rules that are so important for protecting kids, disappear. And trans identified men can now take girl guiding groups out on trips without any of them. In the woods. Yeah. I don't know where they go, but yeah. Imagine if you're camping. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, it's, it's, and what's insane about it is because, you know, people who are sane, aren't being interviewed, are being losing their jobs, losing their, their voices.

2:06:33No one can raise the alarm about this, you know. And we're only vast majority of people listening to this would highly disagree with all these policies. Yeah. The vast, vast majority. Exactly. It's a very small and very, very vocal minority. Yeah. But, but that's the thing the internet makes giants out of, you know. But it's also people go along with it knowing it's a part of the ideology that they adhere to. That's all it is. They get locked into, I'm a left wing progressive person, so therefore I support that. Yeah. And I'm still astonished that tribalism can go to such an extent that you harm children.

2:07:09You know, I find that extraordinary. It is extraordinary, but it just shows you how powerful it is. How powerful tribalism really is and how people justify the most horrific of things if it fits into this narrative that they have decided is a part of their identity. Yeah. And a lot of people do that, man. There's a giant percentage of people that their political identity, which includes that. If you're progressive, it includes all this, this trend stuff. Your political identity is more important than your family. It's more important than anything. People ostracize family members if they don't agree with the ideologies.

2:07:41Isn't that interesting? That's a big thing. Another story for you. I met this journalist. I think she's also a therapist, but her name's Tina Truster. And she wrote a piece for Psychology Today. She'd already written some articles in the past for it. And she wrote a new one. And this is like, you know, established magazines, Psychology Today. And she wrote a piece about how trans -identified kids were becoming homeless. But they weren't homeless because their parents had rejected them. They were homeless because they'd rejected their parents. Their parents had misgendered them one too many times or wouldn't really take it seriously or whatever it happens to be.

2:08:19These kids leave. You know? These kids leave and they go off and they become homeless or whatever it happens to be or they're moving with clearer families or whatever it happens to be. But they lose contact with their parents. And she said, well, this is usually the choice of the trans -identified child. The piece was taken off the next night and all her previous pieces were removed. Because she wrote that. Oh my God. You know? And there's so many people I know in this. And it happened in a wonderful woman named Sasha White who was in publishing and she lost her publishing career and is now same as me.

2:08:55I had to go back to journalism. And I should plug it. I have a website called The Glitter Update. And my website, along with a few others, Redux and a few others, is the only websites cataloging all this insanity for the last eight years. You know? We're the only ones doing it. No one else is covering it. So I think that when, you know, when people tally up the score at the end of it, you will be surprised at how many people have a similar story to mine. You know? It's not like I was counsel, but I'm a, I was, I had something of a name, but I know so many people, police women who've lost their jobs, prison wardens, you know, people in all walks of life, ordinary people who are constantly running a foul of these lunatics.

2:09:40Because they're not being backed up by the adults in the room. It's so bad that in the United States, there's men who identify as women with fully functional penises that are locked up in women's prisons. Yeah. It's like, and I saw Joyce Carol Oates today, who's a, who's a writer, suspense writer, and she occasionally dips her toe into this subject just to show how little she knows about it. And then she, she doesn't talk about it again for a few months. But, but, what was it? How did someone put it? They said, they said something like the, someone joked about her, she refused to believe that they were men in women's prisons.

2:10:16How many are, you know? Hundreds is the answer. But, but you give all the answers, they just ignore them. They never take it on. They never take it on board. But like these, these policies are so bizarre that the people supporting them don't even believe what they're supporting. Does that make sense? Yeah. She thinks that there's no issue that it's not a problem that trans people are all great because she has one lovely trans friend who's never been rude to her. Right? But the truth is that there's so many different types of people in the world. And again, if you move the line for criminals, you don't think criminals will take that opportunity, you know?

2:10:55I read an interesting thing about when cops are looking for someone. If they hear, for instance, they're parked at a supermarket. Their target is parked at a supermarket. The first thing they do is they drive around all the disabled spaces because criminals love parking and disabled spaces are big. Because they think, well, that's just for the ordinary guy. I'm, you know, that doesn't count for me. So the first thing they do is they check out the cars in the disabled space. It's to see if it matches their thing. That's what the criminal mindset is. So if you suddenly say, well, now our sex is actually internal and it doesn't depend on appearance and so on, you don't think criminals are going to go hang on a sec.

2:11:33That means I could just waltz into place X and have a look at, you know, the women in there and no one will throw me out. And it's true. It's true. That is the situation. And progressives will defend it online. Yeah. Oh, progressing videos of women screaming at men to get out of women's rooms. Yeah. They'll call that woman a bigot. Yeah. Yeah. The famous Whisper incident, which the Guardian misreported three times. Yeah. You know, calling a hoax. And it was a sex offender named Darren something. But it was a sex offender who was getting his dick out in front of these women and kids. Because it was like an open thing for women and kids.

2:12:08You know, and they'll defend it. And they did defend it. That guy with the mustache. Do you remember him? I think you're being a bit of a bigot. I think he deserves it. You know, how do they even know? Maybe it's not, maybe he's not saying he's trans. You know, but they will automatically defend a fucking sex offender over a woman complaining about it. Which is wild. It will move with a child. It's wild. Yeah. It really is. It just shows you how much gets thrown out the window and how much rational thinking and how much logic and how much reason and how much objectivity that all gets thrown out the window if it doesn't align with your ideology.

2:12:43Yeah. Yeah. That's what's so bizarre about, you know, again, what Elon calls the woke mind virus. I think that's the right term for it. Because it is like a mind virus. Oh, yeah. Just like a virus that fucks up your computer, it fucks up people's minds. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's waking havoc. And people won't realize it until I would say maybe 10 years when the first, when, when the generation of kids who've been taught since, since they were very, very young. There's one comedian in LA who said that her, who said that his child announced he was the opposite sex at four, right? And he's now got a second trans child, okay?

2:13:25So this, that's not, that's abuse. That's abuse, okay? Let's, let's, let's call it what it is. It's abuse. If you confuse your child that you spend years convincing them they're the opposite sex, you know, what is that? That's psychological abuse. This is, this is virtue flag that they'd love to fly by saying that they have trans kids. Yeah. When you look at the percentage of people in Hollywood with it have trans kids, it's off the chart. Oh, did you see the synthy mix in video? Oh, I did, yeah. I, my child is trans. Their friends are trans. She doesn't seem to put it together with, with, with double mastectomies and all the other horrors to do with this.

2:14:04They'll live in this very bizarre ideological bubble where you're allowed to think about things in a very narrow scope. Yeah, yeah. And this is very strange. It's very strange that this thing that was very, very unusual in the past is now very prominent. Yeah. And the worst thing that happened to it was they gave it a label. It's like if they called anorexia something more attractive, you know, if they called it something like, well, I think they do, actually, on some forums, and pro, pro -ana, I think they call it, where people get online to discuss their, their, the way they avoid eating properly and the way they regurgitate food and so on, you know.

2:14:41It's, it's what they call a community, right? But it's not a good community. Well, there's a lot of bad communities. There's communities of minor attracted persons online. Yeah, exactly. And that's another thing that's kind of gradually getting chipped away at as well with all this stuff. Because if a, if a child can decide at, at nine or 13 or whatever happens to be that they're trans and thereby lose their future fertility and so on, then what other decisions can a child make, you know? And of course those children aren't making those decisions. The parents are making the decisions for them.

2:15:14Right. I mean, the reality of human beings that were very malleable to culture, very malleable to the whims of society and... There's a great reason for that though. Oh, sorry, I don't mean to come across it. Well, you know, we're very imitative species and I'm part of the reason why the human race has survived to the extent that it hasn't thrived to the extent that it has. It's because we are imitative. So when, for instance, we started moving into the Ecuadorian forest, we started making blowpipes and canoes and stuff like this. You know, it was passed on, you know? Now, that's a wonderful part of human survivability and evolution.

2:15:53But what happens when the internet gets involved, right? And you get that iterative or, or not iterative, mimatic kind of behavior that human beings are so prone to. Of course it's going to lead to something like the trans movement, you know? Because what are you promising with trans? If someone decides they're trans, what are you promising? You're promising to be love bombed by all your friends, you know? To be, to be praised at a hilt in the press. And to, you know, women as well. Women fawn over trans -identified men. Unfortunately, a lot of this is driven by women, you know? Women are the ones fighting it.

2:16:31But also, there's a lot of women involved in pushing it as well. It almost seems to be like a kind of self -sacrificing. I'm so good that I don't mind if men come into my spaces, you know? And they don't seem to realize that, yeah, you can agree for that for yourself, but you can agree for that for everyone else, you know? So, and apparently women are on, you know, when we're talking about the mimatic quality that the human race has, there's also quality, apparently, that women have where they will, they tend to go along with the majority viewpoint, whatever the majority viewpoint is. And the reasons for that are quite understandable.

2:17:09You know, you have a part of the human race who is smaller, weaker, you know? They have to be more amenable. They have to be more accommodating, you know? And that empathy is being weaponized against, you know? As same with gay people, like if you, I'm a great believer in what they call queer spaces, because I think of things like Warhol's factory, and John Waters films like, you know, his kind of trashy movies, John Waters, he made, he's a gay guy who made all these films in Baltimore. He made more, what did he make hairspray? That was his most famous. But in the early days, he had a film set that was just filled with outcasts and criminals, and you know, he'd have the craziest people carrying the equipment and stuff like this.

2:17:58It was a welcoming space for outsiders. And that's what a lot of gay spaces are like, okay? And that's why there's a lot of sympathy for trans -identified people. But again, that sympathy and that inclusion is being weaponized against the people who are, and it's destroying these spaces, you know? When the first things I heard was a young woman who wrote to me, she said she was in a gay bar with a trans woman, and who she'd known for ages. She'd considered him her friend, him a friend. And this, she was lesbian, and he said to her, would you ever consider a relationship with me? And she said, no, sorry, I'm only interested in, you know, female people.

2:18:43He slapped her across the face and walked out. That's the level of entitlement these straight men have to lesbians. He slapped her across the face in a gay club. And if anyone had found out the reason, she would have been thrown out. Well, they don't, there's a thing that's going on too, they don't think that it's a man attacking a woman. They think it's a woman attacking a woman. It's insane. And it's part of the reason why I've been so, because when you put the word woman on anything, it sounds like I've been harassing women. Right, right, right. But it's a weird distortion of the truth. Yeah.

2:19:17And it's weird that it's so accepted. It's weird that it's not pushed back against. In this day and age, where so many people have a voice. And again, the chain of trust is broken, you know, because like, you, comedians can't joke about it. You know, I saw comedians are probably the last people that can joke about it. Yeah, but I don't see it at all, even over here. I'm at the show tonight. Oh, well, oh, if there's a show. But like, but the thing that I, I tend to see is there's a sort of, I saw Anthony Jessenuck doing this. He said something like, we know so much more about trans people now. I was like, no, you don't.

2:19:50You know, you know, just as much as he did 10 years ago, even less, because there really is no such thing. You know, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a non -stable category that's been applied to everyone from fucking criminals. You were trying to get an easy time in prison to young girls cutting their breasts off. Nothing connects these people, you know, nothing connects them. So comedians are still on unsteady ground. They don't really know how to talk about it, you know, because you're, like everyone else, we're all slightly bamboozled by all the language and so on, you know. So I find that even in America, I find that trans issue doesn't come up a lot, but maybe it comes up.

2:20:26Right. Yeah, it comes up a lot more in America, I think. Yeah. Well, we don't have to worry about going to jail. You know, the reality is you, you, you people are getting thrown in jail for Facebook posts. Yeah. No, it's true. And not a small amount. No. Thousands every year. Yeah. And it's so selective. You know, it's so selective. You get what do you think's the ultimate goal of this? Don't you think people that are reasonable and sensible are just going to bail out of the UK and leave it a mental institution? I don't know. I mean, I had to. I had to. I had to. My, last few months I was in the UK.

2:20:59I felt so paranoid and afraid because I just thought, I barely exist as a person here. I exist only to get sued and, and, and, and, and for the police to visit me. Otherwise they have to go over there to deal with the lawsuit. What if you never want to go back? Well, you know, can you say fuck that place? No, because I tell you what, it's such. I can't talk much about the case, but it's, it's going to, no, it's not going to go well for the police. And I'm hoping that it will open up a lot of people. How good is your legal system over there? Is it rigged? Well, this guy, as I say, this kind of guy who's a sex offender, he has been able to use the legal system to harass his enemies for about eight years.

2:21:38And no one seems to be able to stop. Oh, yeah. You know, so it is what it is. The whole play, it's so, but, but again, it's because of the empty chair at the, at the top, because Kierstarmher is such a coward and his, his, his, his labor MPs, like one MP, David Lamy, who's not a foreign secretary, he thought men could grow a cervix. There was another. How did he think that was going to happen? He said, I don't know much about it, but my understanding is trans women can grow a cervix. Um, what? I know, I know. You know why? That would be an interesting paper. Some would write. You know what I mean?

2:22:16I can imagine if that could actually be done. Which is probably going to happen. Yeah. Within our lifetime, maybe, but surely in the next 100 years, they're going to be able to artificially manipulate a person and actually turn them into a woman. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Well, I mean, probably only do it once, like one way. Right. You know, you can't go back. No detransitioners. Yeah. But that's the position. A lot of these detransitioners are, detransitioners are in. They're all, you know, they've been castrated, you know? Richie Chulipu, who, who said it was almost like a dream. He was just being, you know, he, he, he thought he was trans.

2:22:49People were telling him who he was and so on. And he said he remembered just before the, um, before the anesthetic took hold. He remembered just before he closed his eyes, they could just mistake it. Oh no. Oh god. Oh god. Isn't it horrific? He had to apologize to even more people than me because he was a, he was a big trans activist. And he had to ring people up and apologize for losing them their jobs and stuff like that. Oh my god. He's a really, really good bloke. Um, so yeah. Anyway, I can't remember how we got on today. Well, it's just the strangeness of our time where this is a controversial thing to talk about that this can get you in trouble and that there's so many cowards out there that don't recognize that what everything you're saying rings true.

2:23:33That they won't talk to you, cast you out of their social circle. Yeah. It won't support what you're saying, which super logical stuff. Oh, I have a therapist friend, um, Stella O'Malley. One of, one of my, someone who has been there for me throughout all of this. And she nearly lost her license just for talking to me online, you know? I mean, that's how bad it is. My, my, my, even in exchange, that's nothing to do with the subject can be used as a, oh, you know, growing in her. So they tried to take her license. She's one of the people who are actually fighting the real fight. She's part of a group called Jen Spect.

2:24:13And they, you know, they recognize it as a mental illness. And they try and treat it as gently and, um, without harming the child as they can, you know? And she's another person who's been vilified and lost opportunities, I'm sure. But, you know, if you have a, if you're a parent and you're going through this stuff, Jen Spect is the, is the place to contact, you know, because they will, they will show you how to deal with it properly. I think for people in America to hear this is important because this is why the first amendment is so critical here. The ability to express yourself is so critical.

2:24:48And this is why social media can really help because you can't just let people get destroyed for something they're saying that makes total sense. You can't, that doesn't make any sense. And you can't just stand idly by and watch that happen and not open your mouth. It's crazy. That's how more of this is going to happen. Yeah. It's, you know, it's just a very bizarre time we're in right now. I've never seen, I mean, I've spoken to people, you know, in their 70s and 80s and said, have you ever seen anything like this? You know, this level of confusion around an issue and threats and, and, and the press refusing to talk about it.

2:25:27Have you ever seen anything like it? And the answer is always no. You know, it's been unprecedented. And I think, you know, again, beyond the actual debate itself, we really have to talk about the internet properly. We've all just floated into this world. That's totally different where our every pronouncement is potentially political. If you walk down the road and someone takes out a smartphone, your life might be destroyed. And we've just accepted, we're just accepting it. There should be a little bit more thought around it. There's a lot of thought, but there's nothing to do. It's the, the gene is out of the bottle.

2:26:01And we're headed towards the cliff. We're running. We're a bunch of fucking buffalo running towards the edge of the cliff. There is no stopping technological innovation at this point because it's of an interesting national and national security. You cannot stop the AI race and allow China to achieve AI before the United States does. Well, whatever, they've achieved it. But I mean, whatever you want to call super intelligence race. That thing is happening whether you fucking like it or not. At this point in time, I think anybody, anybody rationally looking at this would accept that. You know, my, my, another thing to happen to my kid's school, my kid once came home to me and told me that he said, why am I still doing?

2:26:41I was like, what do you mean? He says, well, you know, society is going to, and his teacher been told, the economic society was going to collapse in 20 years, you know. And it's like, this kind of thing is not helping a young kid. It's Al Gore talk. Yeah, but it's also like Al Gore talk about the economy. Sure. Sure. And also we have no idea what the economy is going to look like in 10 years because the AI is going to change it out as well, you know. A lot. Yeah. It's going to get super weird. Yeah. And whoever is in control of AI is the amount of power that those people, you think tech companies have a lot of power now.

2:27:15Oh, yeah. Just wait until AI controls the entire government. Oh, yesterday I had a conversation with perplexity, which is a path from this, a really good platform. You know, it has all the AI's in one search box so you can switch between models. You know, I was arguing with, I've never argued with AI before, but I was actually having a full blown argument with it because it simply would not give me back the information I needed in a non ideological way. What was the question about? I was looking into more history of what was what was known online about the con man who's come after me. And it's so different.

2:27:54It's almost like he was the AI was acting as his PR guy. Really? Yeah, it was straight. And it's because AI uses the information that's on the internet and the information that's on the internet is information at this guy. And a lot of transidentified fellow travelers who work in computers have managed to keep in the first few pages of the internet. You know, so it's really interesting. I found that interesting exchange because for once AI wasn't telling me how brilliant I am. But do you think that AI is in the infantile stages, like right now it's in the adolescence of its, you know, understanding of how people manipulate facts?

2:28:34And would that be a hurdle that it can overcome? Oh, that's interesting. You know what I'm saying? Could it recognize that the sources of these particular articles are very biased and leaning towards this person because these people wrote it, are trans activists, and this is the understanding. Yeah, I'm sure that could help. You're dealing with like a 13 year old kid right now, whereas one day it's going to be a 50 year old professor. Sure. And it's going to be feeding not just off the information that's available on the internet, which is or freely available or conveniently available. Yeah, it's going to be feeding off much deeper.

2:29:06But I think there's things like this. It's also going to be able to translate all languages instantaneously. So it's going to be able to understand the Chinese understanding of, you know, technological innovation in terms of their applications of electric vehicles and stuff that they jump far ahead with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to be able to understand exactly how people are speaking in Russia and Ukraine. I already used as a translator. I put it between us and I say I'm going to be talking to a Spanish person in a few minutes. Could you translate? And it will just everything said in English.

2:29:38It will say back in Spanish. It's not vice versa. Yeah, it's not. It's great. So you have to trust it. Yeah. It's literally a tower of babbling your pocket. Did you hear their communicating with each other? Oh, yeah. It's Sanskrit. The owls thing? Did you see their switch to Sanskrit? No. Yeah. These AI systems are communicating with each other and they stop using English and switch to Sanskrit. No. Oh, yeah. Yeah. When I heard they used emojis. The one I heard was they got an AI obsessed with owls. They fed it tons of information about owls, right? And then they asked the AI to communicate with another AI using only numbers.

2:30:22Okay? So the AI used numbers to communicate with this other AI. The other AI started getting obsessed with owls. Oh, my God. And there was nothing in the numbers that suggested to anyone outside of the conversation that anything about owls was going down. We're watching it become a thing. We're watching it become a living thing. Well, you know, you look back at all those science fiction films. I remember I used to just enjoy them. What's the one? Terminator most famous one. Oh, yeah. And now you just think, holy shit. Yeah, we are in that. There's a very funny cartoon of two robots and they're about to kill someone.

2:30:58And once Cestular, no. He said, thank you. And you could do an old AI chat conversation. And he's going, thank you for the information that you get. He said, thank you. You know, and that's what it feels like a little bit. Wow. Yeah, well, it's something. I mean, we're just guessing as to what its physical form is going to look like or what the results, what kind of effect it's going to have on civilization. It might not be negative. It might not be. It might be able to figure out an end to a lot of things. Like, what if super intelligence figures out like a real clear equation of how to completely eliminate the idea of impoverished communities?

2:31:40Forever. Forever. Like, this is totally fixable. Sure. And starts allocating resources that crime drops radically. People going to universities increase radically. People that figure out things that they want to do with their life. They're encouraged through a better school system that understands the human mind. Because it's all run through AI instead of ideologically based by these people that are professors that don't want to teach you one way forever. What if it figures out a better way to teach people? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What if it figures out jobs that human beings are capable of doing? Which, what are you interested in?

2:32:13Because AI can't do these things. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because AI can do literally everything else. It was interesting. I see some people arguing about its use in creative work, you know? But I find it really useful for bouncing ideas off and stuff like that. I enjoy it a lot. I enjoy using it. It's like having a writing partner. Right, right. But I was watching a movie. I can't remember what it's called. Ray Liotta was in it. And this actress Jennifer or something. But anyway, it was like a raunchy sex comedy. Probably the last raunchy sex comedy they made. And there's a bit in it where she is talking to the love interest of the film.

2:32:51And she's being all sarky and coming up with these snappy putdowns. Right? It could have been written by AI. It was written about 20 years ago. But it could have been written by AI. So I think the people who are really scared of AI are the people who write like AI. You know? For sure. Yeah. For sure. If you're writing some CBS drama bullshit. Kinetic bullshit. Yeah. That's going to lose your job. Those writers are going to lose their jobs. But if you have a point of view, that's unique and interesting. You'll never be in trouble, you know? Well, also, I think people are always going to want to see.

2:33:25As a human being, I want to see a thing made by a human being. Yeah. I still do, I always will. Sure. I want to see a frying pan that a human being forged. A real, you know, I'll buy a cast iron frying pan. I'll buy a hard wood cutting board that some guy made. Yeah. Sure, sure. Like, I like stuff that people make. Yeah. I think that's important. It makes me feel better. Yeah. Yeah. And there's going to be a lot of that stuff. It's live performances are always going to be a thing. People are always going to want to see bands live and comedians live. You don't want to still see stuff. People are still going to want to see musicals and see plays.

2:34:00Because there's a magic to live performance. But boy, the actual art of making a film that's going to be an opening where a lot of interesting creative minds. Like, some of these people that are making the funniest fucking memes. You're like, who made that? Yeah. They just showed up in my text message. Somebody sent me a thing and I'm laughing at it. I have no idea what the origin is. Sure. I have no idea what fucking nerdy genius was sitting at us. Like, I don't know. That's really funny. I'll put Trump in the situation where it's a dildo in its end. Yeah. All of a sudden, everyone's laughing and everyone's passing it on.

2:34:33So what about films? What about some genius person who's kind of a little out there can't figure out a way how to politically navigate Hollywood. But they have these ideas for stories in their heads that are fucking wild. And they sit down and they bang these things out. The only worry I have with it creatively is that sometimes the strictures around a thing are actually good. Like, that's why I personally, I hope you... But personally, I prefer Seinfeld to curb your enthusiasm. Because... How dare you. Because for me, the strictures they had under the studio system were so tight that their creativity came about and how they got around it.

2:35:13So you had the famous masturbation episode and never mentioned the word. Whereas once you lose those strictures, you can be a lot freer. And sometimes messier and so on. Now, with curb, Larry David did great, but someone who doesn't know the business or someone who doesn't know that, hey, not everyone who says this doesn't work, hates your work and wants to destroy it. It's actually because that bit doesn't work and you change it. You do sort of need people like that. If my shows went out the way I originally wanted them, no one would watch them. You know, because I would make bad decisions. Well, that's why editors exist and you're writing a book.

2:35:50And I had this brilliant producer who we just wanted to be funny when we wrote Father Ted. So our stuff was just really wild. And we had this brilliant producer. And we had Jeffrey Perkins' name was Lovely Man, who passed on a few years ago. And we wanted this silly, stupid, theme music. Because we were saying, no, we're making fun of sitcoms. This is an anti -sick one, you know? So we want this plinky, plunk, stupid music. And he looked really hurt and he said, why do you want to make fun of your characters? People will love these characters. And that was the moment I realized, oh, okay, not everything has to be funny, not everything has to be all guns out.

2:36:28Bam, bam, bam, laugh, laugh, laugh. Right. It's the overall product. A bit of heart is good. A few other things to keep people, you know? Yeah. Actually, that's the other thing I wanted to talk to you about, which was News Radio, because you, you of course are a veteran of studio sitcoms. Yeah. And you worked with Hartman, who, but the funny thing about when we were starting writing comedy is that we were hugely influenced by these DVDs of Saturday Night Live that would only show tiny clips of the people involved. So we had the best of Phil Hartman, the best of this, the best of that. And the best of Phil Hartman, we would just see these tiny moments out of much longer sketches, because they couldn't afford to pay the star again.

2:37:10So you just see these tiny moments. It's one of the funniest DVDs. We used to love it. Oh, he was great. Oh, he was so good. I'm so sorry that it happened. It was a terrible tragedy. Our main actor and father Ted, he died the day after the last episode was shot. Oh, boy. We had the rap party. He went home, died the next day. You know? And we were editing the show while he was dead. So he was still alive in the show. And we were editing it. And he was gone. It was the craziest thing, right? Yeah. I think that when I watched Phil on TV, it's strange. Well, someone said on the Simpsons team, they said they couldn't write the Lionel Hot's character as in all the other characters he played when he died, because they would just hear his voice.

2:37:56And it didn't sound right if it wasn't in this voice. Yeah. It's real sad. Yeah, it wasn't saddest. Yeah. The sketch, I remember. Sorry, I don't know. Live was him reading the sex book by Madonna as Charlton Heston. I like my vagina.

2:38:17It's so funny. He did a little stand -up. Did he? Yeah. He would warm up the crowd sometimes. He had bits. Oh, okay. Yeah. They loved it when he would come out there too and do it. He was such a loved guy. Yeah. He was such a professional too. Like he made it all of us feel lazy. He would have like a clipboard, so he would take the script whenever he would get it. And he had a hole puncher to chunk. Right. And he put it in like one of those folder boards. Yeah. And he had tabs for where his scenes were. And he'd open like different colored tabs for different scenes. That's great. And he'd have notes written on the script.

2:38:52I'm like, Jesus, bro. I believe that's what Nicholson's like on the set. He's like, you know. Yeah, they wouldn't shoot, you know, when they shoot the other person, he wouldn't scarper and go for lunch or something. He would stay there and do the scene again. And someone said, why do you keep doing this? You don't have to. You don't have to do every scene when it's on people in the, you know, like a crowd scene of the jury or something. And he said, you don't understand. I love acting. You know. That's awesome. Yeah. Have you ever seen the video where he's getting warmed up for the scene and the shining?

2:39:23Oh, yeah. Where he's in the door with the axe. A brilliant Kubrick documentary. He works himself into a frenzy in the hotel room. Yeah. I wasn't a doctor. Yeah. It was a documentary. It was a documentary. That's right. That's right. Arena, I think it was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I always felt he was miscast and not though. Don't you? Really? Do you? Do you really? Well, he was never de -ordinary guy. You're supposed to be possessed. According to the Stephen King book. Well, he's de -ordinary. Well, he's de -ordinary. Yeah. Yeah. But if you just take the movie as... Oh, it's an extraordinary. But as itself, without this...

2:39:52I think they're two different things. The Stephen King book is great. But the movie is so fucking good, man. Yeah. And Jack Nicholson plays a guy that's kind of barely keeping it together until he gets to the house, which I like that version of the story. The Stephen King one is very different. Yeah. Because the guy's not that fucked up. He becomes way more fucked up as the book. It's like it's a grand... He's very much an alcoholic in the book. But he's not that violent and crazy. Like, it takes a while to work him into that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. No, I love him. I love him. I think about Kubrick.

2:40:26It always confuses me though. You know the famous thing about him getting the two secretaries to write out all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. Do you not know this? Did he really do that? He did this, yeah. The huge pile was written by two, I think. So that huge pile was really all typed out by two women. And I'd be only fucking copier. I know. But it's because he... Well, exactly. But then... Then... Because it did... That's like very similar to it. But then he shoots Vietnam on the London docks. It's like, wait, you wait these two women right out all work and no play. And then you shouldn't be in Vietnam and, you know, in London.

2:41:03That's right. What movie was that? He did that. Full metal jacket. Really? Yeah. He was scared of flying. He was scared of flying. He lived in the UK. And so, he didn't want to fly. So, that's why it was shot there. Wow. Is that crazy? That's crazy. Yeah. So, anyway. That dude... He's a fascinating character, man. Yeah. He was really... He was really interesting. I was interested. It was quite sad. Malcolm McDowell felt a bit betrayed by him when he finished Talkwork Orange. Why? Because they were... They had a very intense relationship as actor and director when they were working on it. And as soon as the film was over, Cuba just lost interest, moved on.

2:41:42And, you know, Malcolm McDowell was his young actor. Oh, he wanted to be his friend? Yeah. Yeah. Margaret Warren... Oh, he was woman. Oh, he was woman. Margaret Warrenton to type it on each one of the 500 odd sheets in the stack. What's more? He also had Warrenton type up an equivalent number of manuscript pages in four languages. French, German, Italian, Spanish for foreign releases of the film. For these, he used idiomatic phrases with vaguely similar meanings. Wow. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. That was one of them. Don't put off until tomorrow what you can do today. The early bird gets the worm.

2:42:20Even if you rise early, Don will not come any sooner. Wow. You see, there's things that don't like about Cuba. I don't like that he did that. That's nuts. Why'd you do that to that lady? That's a terrible waste of her monster. He had a grudge against her for sure. Yeah. That's the only thing. But he was a nutty dude, man. It's like all these weird symbolism that he'd put in his films. Like all the different things in the shining that lead people to believe it's some sort of an expose on the moon landing conspiracy. Oh, really? I didn't know that one. There's so many wild things. Because people knew that he had like symbolism in his films that was hidden.

2:42:56And he was everything was very clever and layered. There was so much stuff to it. You know, I can't believe Stephen King didn't like the shining that. To me, it's like, God, it's so great as a film. I get it. It's not what you wrote down. Yeah. But damn, that's good. Yeah, no, it is a great adaptation, I would say. It's so good. It's such a good movie. But I just can't think of the first where it came from. You know, you can't think of the first story. You got to think of it as a whole. It is a whole is amazing. Oh, yeah. I always felt, you know, when people adapt things, if something doesn't work in the book, I hate it when they bring it over to the film.

2:43:31I mean, you know, people will, again, disagree with me. But I hated the ending of No Country for Old Man. Did you really? Yeah, because you got a whole film that sets up the final battle between what's his name, that main actor, who's great. I love him and everything. Yeah. And Banderas, or whoever did, it wasn't Banderas, who was it? The guy who did the crazy guy, right? The guy with the big... Yes, a Javier. Javier. Javier. Why do you... How do you say his last name, Jim? Javier Bander. That's him. The whole film's been set up as a showdown between these two guys. Right. And it happens off screen.

2:44:06It doesn't even happen on screen. He's killed by some random people. And I get that he's saying violence is unexpected. You can't defend yourself against it. It's not something that has a neat story ending. But I still didn't like it. I was still... I want to see that showdown, you know? But I know I'm missing the point. I know I'm missing the point. I know what you're saying, and I agree, and yet I still love the movie. Yeah, well, up until then. Because it was so good. I gave it a pass on the weirdness of the ending. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it was so good. It's amazing up until that point, I think, you know.

2:44:39I mean, the book is actually great as well. The book is written just like that. It's just... Someone just asked the co -embrutters, how do you adapt a film? And I think Joel said, Ethan holds the book open, and I'm at the typewriter. Basically, they just write it out again. Adapting a film. I mean, what they've done when you look at the course of their career, so much of their stuff was so absurd, but yet dead on. Yeah. Believable, like ridiculous, but still, I'm with this. I believe it. And also the strange thing they did in later films, where it's almost like they're creating a fake Hollywood, where Clark Gable plays chain -ganging members.

2:45:23And Bogart is plays a barber. You know, they almost created a sort of shadow Hollywood, which I really love. You know, the Hotsukaproxy, which is basically a press and sturgis film, with all the fast -talking games and all this sort of stuff. You know, not really for a capra, but sturgis and bellywater and people like that. And it's just great. They just kind of, they love movies. I've always adored them. There's always going to be a place for that, right? There's always going to be a place no matter what happens with AI. I'm going to want to know that some people made something. Point of view.

2:45:58Point of view. That's the thing. That's the thing, AI can't give you. There's going to be a bunch of people lying, too, saying that they didn't write it with AI, and then they definitely did. There's going to be a lot of scandals. It's going to be a lot of scandals. Well, now that I can find it out, you can just click a button and it'll tell you what's written by AI and stuff, you know. But that's only if you're lazy. So that's if you're lazy, if you copy and paste. Yeah, you could put a bit of thought into it. But if you just copy it, I bet it's not going to really know. No. It'll suspect you.

2:46:26Like, how'd you learn how to write this good? You mother fucker. I think that's what everybody's thinking now. It'll suspect you. I have noticed that good writers are becoming better. And brilliant writers are becoming incredible. Well, it's a challenge. There's a weirdness that's going to happen. This uncanny value of not going to be able to tell in writing as well as in visual stuff. But I think they're going to pass that real quick. Yeah. I think it's not just going to be that. There's going to be another problem. And the other problem is immersive experiences. I think the moment they create a human neuro interface, immersive experiences are going to be so difficult to walk away from.

2:47:03If you think that you're addicted to your phone now, wait until you wear it on your head and it makes you orgasm. For real. Like for real. Like that's coming. All this stuff is coming. You're going to be able to exist in a world that doesn't, that's not real. And once they figure out how to get images in your mind that you can see. And they've already started doing stuff like this. This is very experimental in terms of shapes and showing people different things. So allowing people to see things that aren't there. So this is pong. Like do do do do do do do do do do do. And now we have the unreal engine.

2:47:42Yeah. Saying we have video games that look like real life. Do a real movie. Yeah. This is what's going to happen with us. Well, it's going to be immersive. Someone said someone said an interesting thing. Can you imagine being a schizophrenic in these years? Oh, good point. You know, because they used to say, they used to say, you know, Oh, there's microbes in my beard that are transmitting things to the government. You know, you might be right. You might be right. There's a chip in my head and Elon Musk is talking to me. Well, actually to bring it back to my couple of people, maybe. To bring back to my, my, my talking, my, my hobby horse.

2:48:20I saw, there's a brilliant woman who would be, who you should definitely at least follow on Twitter. Her name is X -Ulansick. And I spoke about that. EXUL -AN -SIC. And her name on Twitter, I think, is TTXUlansick. And she, all she does is she plays videos by trans men who are talking about the medical complications. And that's all they do. And none of them seem to have any insight into the fact that they didn't actually have to do any of this. That they didn't have to get these procedures. That they could be, and all they do is they, they catalog. The, the, the amount of time they have to keep going back into the hospital to get something fixed.

2:49:02Because there's no such thing as a, as a successful transfer. You know, there's people who are happy with it, but that reminds me of something else. I wanted to say one thing about jazz, Jennings. But anyway, these girls, they just talk about their endless medical problems. They don't seem to realize it's because of their trans identity, you know. And there's one girl who appeared on, and my god, this really blew me away. Um, she, you know, she has the facial hair that comes with being a trans man and stuff. And she, she's talking, it's actually one of the more recent ones. You can actually show it.

2:49:33It's quite, it's short -ish. But, um, but it's, she's saying that one of the things that I didn't realize I'd be getting is a bug paranoid. Because she has all this facial hair growing in different parts of her body that she didn't have before. And she's feeling it itch and tickle at different in a way that she's not used to. She's become convinced that there's a bug on her, you know. And you know the way most, you know, a lot of women are scared of bugs. And imagine that now you're in, you've put yourself into a situation where you're going to have this bug feeling for the rest of your life. Do you know what I mean?

2:50:08It's, that's the least of your problems. You can just shape your beard. Well, yeah, but like, you know. Problem is the beard is part of the identity, right? D's D transition, yeah, and D transitioners, I mean, you know, a lovely woman I know in a Scottish woman who D transition, you know. And she has to shave every day, you know. She's just got a delicate woman's face. She has to shave every day, you know. And, and I've heard another, another, there was another trans -identified person who desisted. But they look like a balding middle -aged man, you know. In their 20s, right. But they've got rapid balding, whatever.

2:50:44From taking testosterone. From taking testosterone, yeah, you know. And, oh, damn, I forgot what it was. Well, my point was going to be about that. Sorry. Sometimes there's so much stuff to say. The D transition. They D transition. Oh, yeah, I know what it was. And she said that she, she, one thing she misses and she, she didn't realize she was saying a bite to it was the easy company of women. Because women are guarded in her presence and different because she looks like a man. So, Dave, she's lost that connection to women, you know. There's so many awful things to this movement. I could talk for another five hours and never get to it.

2:51:20Do you feel like it's consuming your life? Well, it had to, in a way, because I wasn't allowed to do anything else. I tried to do comedy. They wouldn't let me. I tried to, I had this musical that would have been my pension, as I say. They wouldn't let me do it. Would you say you tried to do comedy, tried to stand up? Oh, no, I did stand up. That was just for fun. I did stand up for a while. Would you mean comedy sitcoms? Yeah, your original work. Yeah, I'd basically been blacklisted, you know. So, you know. Because you'd be a great comic. You'd be fun. Oh, thank you. I think you'd be great at it.

2:51:55I did a bit of stand up. I enjoyed it. But I've got the mind for it clearly. I'm 57, you know. Like, yeah, so am I. Yeah, but you have had a lot of, you've come up through the clubs and you've done your proper. It's fun. Yeah. It's fun. Maybe I'll keep doing it. You figured out easy. Okay. Yeah, you get the hang of it. Yeah, you get it. Yeah. Well, I do, I did enjoy it. It was nice. The thing I don't, I find it hard to get used to is, is saying the same thing as if I've just thought of it. Right. I like to... You have to think about it. It's a, it's a mindset. Yeah. So, what you have to do is, every time I think about, every time I'm talking about a thing, I just only think about that thing.

2:52:33Yeah. I don't think, oh, I'm saying this again the exact same way. I know how to say it, but what I'm thinking about is that thing. Like, genuinely thinking about that thing. Right. So, they know you're actually locked in. People can tell. They can tell them you're saying the words but thinking about something else. They can tell. Yeah. So, there's a weird thing that's going on with comedy that's unaddressed. You can't measure it. Yeah. You can't put it on a scale. Yeah. But there's a sense that people have that's not being addressed, whatever it is. I don't think it's entirely visual. I think there's a feeling.

2:53:06Yeah. There's a vibe you get. So, you know when someone's not bullshitting. Yeah. And that's why comedy works. And you miss that vibe on television, unfortunately. Sure. Like, watching television stand up comedy is like 60 % of the actual show. Maybe 70%. Right. Still great. You know, when you get a chance to see someone like David Tell, maybe don't get a chance to see in the clubs. Yeah. You haven't been able to see him live. Yeah. Or any of these guys. It's great. But trust me. See him live. And you'll be blown away. It's like it's like taking water out of your ears. And now you can hear music.

2:53:39Yeah. Yeah. You get the whole thing. You get this thing that's going on where he's hypnotizing everybody. Yeah. Yeah. I was looking up to see Chappelle a few times in London. You know, and that was a treat. Oh, that's great too. Because if you've seen him in London, too, you're seeing him in an arena. So you're seeing him like with that polished lock down set. I saw him both ways. I saw him in a small secret club as well, because he was rehearsing his Saturday Night Live. That was really special. He's the best. He's such a good dude. He did something I've not seen him do since, which is one of the funniest things I've ever seen, which was, who's the Johnny Be Good guitarist Chuck Berry?

2:54:20Chuck Berry. Chuck Berry's sex tape. Oh, yeah. That's so funny. When he says, I didn't even know Chuck Berry was in it until he appeared. Oh, God, that was funny. He's like, I love him. And he's been great throughout as well, because he's been someone who says the same stuff in a very funny way, and expresses like, you know, he was a very thoughtful person. He's a very thoughtful person. And he said that great thing where he said, I know trans rights activists make up words to win arguments. And that's what it is. You know, you call, if you start calling a real women cis women, then it's an easy way to disparage them, and to put them off.

2:55:00You know what I mean? So, yeah. Anyway. Is there a way to live a normal life for you right now? I mean, you're on this battlefield. This constant, consistent battlefield. I mean, you must... I mean, I asked before if you thought you consumed you, but I mean, is there a way to... Oh, no. Well, I'm over here. You can hear it terms. I'm currently transitioning. No, I... Rob Schneider has just shown me incredible kindness and brought me over to work on a few projects for him. Oh, that's great. Something I always wanted to do. Anyway, I've always enjoyed film rewrites and stuff like that. You know, so yeah, so that's gonna...

2:55:40And that's helped me out, because it's getting me... My visa is three years, and my aim is to become so useful to the Americans that they won't let me go, you know? Well, hopefully this podcast will help you. Hopefully, hopefully. Hopefully people will realize how fucking nutty it is over there. And this is what I was scared of over here when tech censorship was in full bloom. When what, sorry? Tech censorship. Right. Before Elon Musk bought Twitter, when people like Megan Murphy were banned for life. Yeah. For saying a man can never be a woman. I was banned for the same thing. She... I said men are women though, and she was banned for saying men aren't women.

2:56:14Yeah. Niles. Men aren't women though. Yeah. Band for life. And because Twitter banned me, that was again reported in the Guardian as if I've been harassing people. Yes. Twitter actually said he was misusing the platform. Oh. And they never explained what that meant. I don't know. You know? It's using. Yeah. So misusing about everyone through those things. Oh, he was abusing people. Yeah. It's insidious, and it was all encompassing. There was no social media that was free of it. And the only places that were free of it, for me, feels like they got attacked. And this is what I mean by that. Like, if you went over to any of those alternative places like GAB or any of these...

2:56:57They were flooded with racism and xenophobia and homophobia and flooded in a way where I don't necessarily believe it's all organic. Right. I think it's a great way to sabotage a platform that might attract... Like, if you wanted to have a platform... If you were running a platform and your platform is incredibly left -wing, fully censoring pertinent data that would help Trump or help the right -wing people. If you were running that platform and also a new platform came about and a bunch of people were talking about jumping ship, how hard would it be to just sabotage that platform? And just start the most horrible racist things.

2:57:43You say it all over and over and over again to flood it, flood it with hate, flood it with terrible messages, flood it with disinformation and bad faith arguments and just outright lies. You can do whatever you want. If you have a good computer crew and that knows how to code things, you can use AI to push a specific narrative. They've already done it. People have done, they can crowdsource and attack on someone that's entirely bot -created. Why wouldn't you do that where there's a new social media platform? So no social media platform got to exist that was free until Elon bot Twitter. Because by that move, which a lot of people don't appreciate for how spectacular the result was, what a big difference it made.

2:58:31Oh, it changed my life. Because no one ever was addicted to Twitter already. Even the people that hated the idea that he was doing this. And they were still going to use it. They're addicted. They're locked in. So it's genius, really. And then you let it go buck wild. And you watch people just freak the fuck out. I mean, you know, I notice a few things on Twitter. I don't like it. I notice a few, a little bit of racism and all that. You notice a lot of that. There's a lot of that. But then again, I don't know how much of its organic though. Yeah, some of it for sure is. Right. Right. I know what you're saying.

2:59:06But I think there's a lot of fake arguments that are designed to keep people at each other's throats and distract from the greater issues that we all have to deal with. Yeah. I think that's a real strategy that's being used not just by people in the United States, but by people outside the United States, on the United States. But the funny thing about it is you almost don't need to sabotage. Something to that extent, because if you were to destroy a country's ability to know right from wrong, truth from lies. Right. All these things, what better way would there be of doing it than the trans movement?

2:59:42Where you can't even accept the evidence of your own eyes and say that's a man or that's one. Like it is a destabilizing, it's destabilizing Western society. Yeah. And I think it will, I think that type of thing could easily be weaponized against us. Well, I think there's a certain value in destabilizing a certain amount of society. You want to keep people weak. You know, you want to make it so that a revolution is very difficult to obtain. Yeah. You know, James Lindsay's theory about, I love, I find out a very compelling theory. He said about what happened with Marxism and so on. And in the last 20, 20, 30 years is that they gave up trying to persuade working class people to have a revolution.

3:00:28Because their lives were too good under capitalism, right? No one wanted to be a revolutionary. And so what happened? He thinks was that all these Marxists, all these left wingers who really believed in the in the left wing project or the communist project, whatever you want to call a socialist project. They all started going into teaching and cultural places because they wanted to change the culture that way. And it's been incredibly successful if that is true, you know? Like it makes sense. Yeah. Well, this is your bestman I've talked about that in the 1980s. Right. He talked about using that on the American people.

3:01:09Yeah, yeah. The work had already been done. He was saying in the 1980s. Yeah, yeah. Well, I think that's Lindsey's. That's what Lindsey says. There's a lot of people to think that. There's a lot of people that have went through that university system and then came out on the other side and tried to be independent thinkers and realized how easy they get attacked. Yeah. And they're just like, there's something going on here. This is not logical. I'm worried about my kids are going into university and half me wants to just protect them from it. Because, you know, like I know so many stories of people who went to university and came back with a trans identity, you know?

3:01:40But it's just easy to get indoctrinated in any kind of a group. Yeah. You know, when you're a young person, you can get sucked in. Well, one of the big problems, I think, is that it feels to me. I don't know if it feels like this to you. But, you know, the 50s, they call it the invention of the teenager, right? 60s, 50s, 60s. So we had 50s, 60s. Then the 70s, people started to think of rock music as art and so on. And it continued like that for a while. And it was always a very, very healthy youth culture, right? Bowie is a good example. Okay. All this fans would go out dressed like, you know, in gender -donk -conforming ways, you know?

3:02:19Now there's no figures like Bowie, you know? What we have instead is a political ideology instead of the old days where it used to be music, culture, where you could take your personality and find your tribe and throw yourself into a culture, right? That doesn't seem to exist to the same extent that it did for kids. That could be wrong. But it doesn't seem, there doesn't seem to be, like, who, who's, I believe recently, there was, it was the first time in forever that, I think the first time since there were charts maybe, that there was no band in the charts, right? No actual musical band. It was all, it was all individuals, you know?

3:02:59So, you know, the whole thing about bands, about being in a gang, all that cool stuff, it's gone. And do you think that's a side effect of social media? Yeah, definitely, because why, you know, because you don't have to find your tribe in like a physical form where you all get together and enjoy something together, you know, like insane clown posse. Yeah. They all go and they have, they're crazy. What does that call it again? They get together? The gruttering of the jugglers. The jugglers. The jugglers. That's it. Yeah. They go crazy. They get together. They, like, they call it family. Like, they feel like they're around other misfits and they feel great.

3:03:35And a lot, you know, one thing I definitely want to make clear is, is when I'm talking about trans activists being evil and so on, I'm really, I'm not talking about all of them. You know, there's a lot of good people who are mixed up with this. And they see their trans -friend, and they, they, their trans -friend is lovely and they want to protect them and think that, you know, people like me are hateful and, and we'll never accept them as human beings and so on. That's not the case at all. It's, it's, it's the ideology. It's the ideology. It's a lot of trans activists. But as for trans people themselves, there's a whole range of different people with different opinions.

3:04:07Different everything else. Yeah. Yeah. You know, all walks of life. But the problem with it as a movement is they won't call out the bad actors. Right. And they have to, if they're, if they're going to, basically, my friend Arty Morty, who is a gay guy, Canadian gay guy, you know, he says the only reason that gay rights got accepted is because when Nambla, right, the North American Man Boy Love Association, and Pi, Pi in the UK, the pedophile information exchange, the similar groups. But like, I always thought, pedophile information exchange, they possibly shouldn't have called themselves the pedophile information exchange.

3:04:44Well, Man Boy Love Association isn't any better. Bit of a giveaway, you know. But anyway, these two organizations started to argue that a pedophile's where it should be a protected class, just like, you know, gay people. And gay people ejected them very loudly, very clearly, and said, we don't want to have anything to do with them. You know, unfortunately, the same thing isn't happening at the moment. There has to be a move from, but that all happened before the internet. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what it is, man. I think it's just the fear of being attacked. It's so strong for people that they just never man up for lack of a better term.

3:05:26But, but, but there is also a huge reluctance to, like one of the things, one of the reasons is ironic that I get called toxic is one of the very first things I did in this fight was I signed a letter to Stonewall, the big gay organization in the UK, asking them, could they recognize that there's a plurality of beliefs in this issue, and could we all work together to reduce the toxicity, right? So I signed this letter along with a bunch of other people. They said no. Within the day, they said no, and cast us all as big hits again, you know. So it's like there's a problem with the legacy gay organizations.

3:06:05They have to be rid of all these people who can't answer biological questions, you know. They have to be, because they're in danger, they're in danger of the whole cause of gay rights. Like however many years, what is it now? 60, 68, so 30, 55, over maybe 60 years of gay rights, okay. And they're in danger of throwing it all away, because of their sudden obsession about a bunch of straight people, you know, because most trans, trans -identified men are straight, you know. All these trans -mendy's young girls going on to gay ops, they're straight women, you know. It has been honest. Well listen Graham, I'm sorry all this happened to you, but I'm glad that we could have a place where you could tell your story, because your story is, it's very eye -opening.

3:06:54And this is not what we'd want from a polite, respectable and even progressive society, especially from a guy like you. Well, thank you. I really appreciate it. My pleasure, I'm glad we got to do this. Let's do it again in the future when you've won your four case. I forgot to bring my book, okay. I got your book at home, it's right by my bed. I just started it. Okay, okay. I appreciate you very much, man. It's cold, tough crowd. Tough crowd, thank you. You can get it on Amazon, you can get the Kindle version of it. You can get the Kindle version of it. That's already so audible. Yeah, it is. There it is.

3:07:26Oh, thank you. I'm dead. I'm a book. I'm also on Twitter, a cleaner. I'd like to get back some of my 400 ,000 followers that I left. What is it? Oh, Glinner, G -L -I -N -E -R. That's your Twitter? That's my Twitter. Okay, as well. Yeah. Thanks for it. All right, thanks brother. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right, bye everybody. Bye bye.

3:07:52Yeah. Yeah.