#2364 - Brandon Epstein

24:19Right here. Like, oh. This is the patterns I see with all these elite guys I'm working with. It's like I can just, my awareness with them is I can just feel the same thing they can feel. Do you think that's probably constricted breathing though? Like constricted breathing, that's what you'd feel it. You'd feel it. I would say constricted breathing is a byproduct of like a blockage in their body and they just feel it. Do you think it's adrenaline though? It's a giant adrenaline dump and it's also there's an anxiety that comes with that if your mind starts spinning out of control. Like do you do train?

24:50I use a train boxing, yeah. If you ever done jujitsu? I haven't done jujitsu. One of the things that happens in jujitsu when guys first get started, like say if a guy has, like maybe a distorted idea of how tough he is and he's like a big, strong muscular guy, there's those in particular for whatever reason seem to have a real problem when they grapple with a really good guy, where they get pinned down and then they get like side -controlled and mounted and they start hyperventilating. I've seen it like several times from people that have never trained before, but the real buff. And they maybe have this idea of who they are and that idea is getting shattered, like just shattered by a guy that doesn't even look impressive.

25:29But he's just manhandling you. And the hyperventilating thing to me seems like a bunch of stuff. It's like the battle with reality. This can't be happening. Oh my god, this is happening. There's the forgetting to breathe. There's the elevated heart rate. There's the dump of adrenaline. There's all these different things. It's all connected. This is like a domino effect, right? Right. Like the constricted breathing, the not being able to think clearly. It's all a domino effect. Yeah. And kind of how operate is like the belief is the thing that starts a domino. Right. Sure. And so if your belief is being destroyed that moment, that's what creates a domino effect of the body and the nervous system, reacting the way it does.

26:07Right. And so belief is formed in one to two ways. One is just it's formed through life experience, right? Like the Goggins of the world. He's a very rare person who just Builds belief off of doing it. Yeah, how many guys were like that? By the way, shout out to my brother David Goggins who just completed the Bigfoot 200. Let's go Goggins. That dude has no knees, ladies and gentlemen. He's got no knees and he just ran 200 miles through the fucking mountains. Did what did you do it in like 60 hours? It was posted today Find out what his time was yeah, this is so does no knees like I don't run my knees pretty good Well, that's in comparison that's the example of how belief can Actually break reality of what's supposed to be possible, right?

26:53Well, it certainly broke it in the eyes of his doctor Yeah, his doctor when they first saw his knees because he didn't go in for anything for a long time when the doctor first saw his knees He was like, I can't believe you can walk on these legs. Forget about run thousands of miles. Like this is nuts. He was not just bone on bone. His bone was distorting. So because it was rubbing bone on bone, it was like forming these little mushroom curves at the end of it. It's like a, it's a type of a, there's a name for it. Like that distortion. It's called wolf something or another. He said they, it's like theoretical.

27:27Like they'd never seen it in a person before like this. So like, all right, if that exists, like that could work, but it shouldn't like we've never seen it. Maybe that doctor said it. I should be real clear on that because this is, I'm hearing it from David Goggins, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, what the fuck? He's telling me that they told me it could never happen before. But regardless, he's breaking what reality is supposed to be in a way, right? When you compare it to like a very large sample size. He is, David Goggins is as much as you would say, this is crazy, he's ruining his body, like he doesn't have to do this, that's great.

27:58But what he's doing is he's carrying a torch for the human will in a way that very few people have ever done it because he's doing it publicly. He's doing it publicly and that's why I think it's so important when I talk about it all the time about how nuts it is this guy has no fucking knees and he's operating this way. So what does it say? I don't know how they track it but he was moving for a total time of two days one hour and seven minutes. I was so he didn't two days. I thought I saw online it took three days total the 20 hours of stoptop That's like your rest time. Oh, right. I don't know where it is.

28:34Of course the overall miles It says it says a list of here, which would be the trace tracking Says when he started and when he finished right says he's finished It doesn't say what time I don't know when they saw off the website or just track leaders. Yeah, what place did he come in? 93rd He's also 50 I mean, he's a freak, dude, but he's like carrying this torch. You might not want to do what he's doing. I wouldn't do what he's doing, but I'm saying it's kind of crazy that this guy can, at 50 years old, can have these endurance workouts with world -class MMA fighters like Israel, out of Sonia, and he's got Izzy throwing up in a bucket, and he's not even breathing heavy.

29:14And he does like multiple of those workouts a day in silence. He doesn't listen to music. No one is telling him to do it. He's got no coach. Yeah. Like he's out there, man. He's out there. He's like he's just built it through pure will power. Yes. I would say most people, almost everyone else in the world, they don't have the ability to build that level of belief through their will power. I don't know if they don't have the ability, but they don't do it. He's 23rd definition. But if they don't do it, he was 23rd. His bib was 93. Oh no shit, that's amazing. 23rd place, 50 years old, no knees.

29:56Crazy. What a monster, what a monster. Imagine that guy was after you, like what a monster. It's just, it's beautiful. It's like a beautiful expression of will. Because that's all it is. It's just the will to go on. You know, and the discipline to continue to train like that every day. and then every time you test your will, you push it further, it's like I'm in the lab every day. Like he's literally learning more about himself while he's doing this. So why do you think millions of people read his book and then such a small percentage of people can kind of replicate that example he's setting? I don't think you wanna replicate it.

30:33Not to his degree, but to a degree, right? Yes, I think it's actually three times and we move what your water line is. right? It moves what you expect out of yourself. It moves that up a few notches because you know a guy like that's out there. If you didn't think a guy like that's out there and you worked out at the Y three days a week and no one else did, you probably be impressed with yourself. You know, I'm about that fucking Y. Three days a week using the Nautilus machine. You know, it's like, it's all in who you're comparing yourself to. And, you know, obviously I can't compare to David Goggins but when I know that a guy like that is out there in the world, it raises my own personal standard up but notch.

31:09I don't ever, I'm never gonna hit where he does, I don't have the time. He's working up four or five hours every day. It's crazy. I don't have that commitment either. It's not what I'm interested in, but him doing that has raised mine. When I look at like Jocco's Instagram and every day, it says 430 on his time X. He like shows his, you know, he's got one of those, what is that watch called? What's that watch that he has that everybody wears? The digital time X watch, It's a famous classic Iron Man. That's it, right? Is the Iron Man. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, this is fucking bulletproof watch.

31:46Of course, that's what he wears. Like, 409 AM. That's when he gets up to work out every day. But guys like that, guys like you, you guys are dogs, right? You want it. You get inspired by that. Some people, they just feel deflated when they see that level. Right? They're just like, uh, that's... No, man. You got to embrace it. It's just a little bit. It is deflating because you're so far from the world. the finish line. It's deflating, you know. But that's why there are fundamental ways to actually build belief within yourself. Like there's steps to do it. And that's what really I want to drive home for anyone who's listening to this is that you can build belief and it's not just banging your head against the wall.

32:26I believe you. I'm sure there's systems to it. That's why I really wanted to talk to you. but the whole idea of the meridians, like how does that factor into it with you? Like how do you hang on this idea of like meridians in the body? Yeah. So I'll talk about how I came to know them, right? Yeah, I've put on a plane football and walked into the self in my shop, looking for my next pro homeowner. Oh, that's right. I interrupted you right there. Oh, good, bro. When we came back circle, we can't be up like here. Here we go. Like we needed to. So 230 pound, five foot three dude in there. Just jacked.

33:00And I'm like, hey, what pro -homest you have. And he looks at me and he's like, he's very like zen type of dude. And he's like, what do you want? And I was like, I'm trying to get on the football field. Like, what else could I do? I'm a meat head. I can need to get stronger. It's the only thing I can do. And then he's like, he's like, how do you feel? Like, how do I feel? Like, this is me 18 years old, eighth years. Don't believe in anything biggest skeptic you're ever gonna meet in your life. And he's like, I want you to try this exercise. And he has me just look off into the peripheries of my eyes.

33:29How long did you know this guy by then? Literally meeting him and he just starts going in on me. Yeah. Yeah. You think he was trying to have sex with you or anything? Well, we can get into that. It's just a odd thing to go in the brilliance. How do you feel? Whoa, trying to jacked. Yeah, well he's just that type of dude. So I call him like a sensei now because I've known for him. Oh, you know I'm still. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, so I'm still. So he's just a weird guy. He's a weird guy, super weird guy. A lot of guys would have their hackles up though. Like what? How do I feel? I can't understand.

33:59Oh no, first I was like fuck off of me. You know, it kind of that energy, bro. Get the fuck off me. You know what I mean? Like that. The fuck. Insecure mangy energy. Posturing up. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm just trying to fuck me. But no, he just made everything feel approachable to 18 year old meathead. So he started teaching these breathing techniques like for meditation. And he worked at a supplement store. He was working there at the time. He was studying for his neuroscience degree at a college to get his master's. What a like for two it is coincidence. Yes, to run into a dude like that. We try to get jacked.

34:29That's life, right? Right? It is kind of right like think about it. You're looking for like the full meathead path and he run into a guy I was like, how do you feel? Like what? Oh fuck, I don't feel nothing. No, I didn't though. UFC 319 is blowing back to the windy city for the first time in six years. Check the fight card and get it on all the actions at Draft King Sports Book, the official sports betting partner of UFC. Drick is duplicity puts his middleweight title up against Hamza Chimayev, who's a perfect 14 and O. Who are you taking? First time betting on UFC at Draft King's just pick something simple like a fighter to win and make your pick.

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35:55Boyd and Ontario. Bonus bets expire seven days after issuance. For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see dkng .co slash audio. Because nobody was talking about anxiety back then. Right. You know, I had crazy performance anxiety. I didn't know that was a thing. I was just like, yeah, I was like, I don't feel good. I don't know, what do you mean? like nobody was talking about their emotions. Yeah. And so he just started teaching me breathing techniques. He taught me up at the Meridians, very simple ones that he's like, okay, visualize breathing energy in. This is martial arts stuff, right?

36:23So much has to do with breathing. So he was into martial arts as well. Like I once you'd imagined breathing up your governing and your central meridian, which is like right in your spinal cord, and up to center line in your body. He's like, I breathe in deeply here. How do you feel? And I was like, I'm just feeling more confident. I feel stronger. So he started just teaching me how to do simple stuff like that and then bring it on to like the football field. That was a delinement. And so I needed to knock people over. Same thing as martial arts, right? I needed to feel grounded. So I needed to connect to my root chakra, which is, you can call whatever you want.

36:53I don't care. But it's like the root part of your body, the primal, you know, ball sack area down there, the gooch that if you can start to breathe into that area of your body, you will feel more grounded and you can actually become more grounded. So I started using these techniques just to play football. And by doing so, I was like, I don't really care about studying the system super indebted but I was just taking the tools that were useful to me. Like literally uses and use them to get stronger, like the bench press more. It was just breathing techniques along with visualization and they're just following this ancient Eastern medicine.

37:26How did breathing techniques help your bench? So there's some breathing techniques, I'm sure you do in martial arts, right? You put your tongue behind your teeth and you can start to breathe in deeply. And if you start to visualize, bring an energy down through the crown of your head in the meeting at kind of like in the just below your belly button there, you can just start to build more energy, more power. You're just focusing energy. That's all you're doing. And then if you visualize yourself lifting the weight, you're gonna lift a heavier. And so... How much heavier? There's a bunch of research.

37:56You could look up a tons of different strength -based tasks, studies that show that visualization increases strength. Like for example... So that's just kind of a kind of visualization, you think? That breathing exercise? I was just stacking what was known as like basic pet lap imagery, PET, TT, LEP imagery, along with these breathing techniques and visualizing a specific way. Oh, I thought that when they say visualization helps performance, I thought it was like long term. I didn't think it was like right before they did a thing. I thought I think it's like part of training. I think, okay, so there's two types, right?

38:33So there's like, for example, there's literally a study you could look up And it's like a bicep curl. They did the study. There's four different groups. The first group just didn't do anything. The second group just did bicep physical curl. The third group did bicep curl plus visualization of doing curls. The fourth group did just visualization. The group that did just a bicep curl in the group that did just a visualization performed the same. They had the same increase in strength. And the group that performed the best was the one that did the visualization plus the bicep curl. Interesting. And so there's a bunch of studies like that that just show how when you just stack these different tools together, they can be beneficial, yes, in the short term.

39:13For like a fighter, for example, like this is what I'm trained in my guys. And when we go into fight camp every single time, we're just training the subconscious to be comfortable being in the setting. And just training the subconscious my right, we're just wiring, just digging in those grooves of like this is what's going to feel like, this is going to be the experience and just wiring in a way of having success. us. And then what I do is I notice I'm like, how do you feel? How do you feel? How do you feel as we go along here? It's like, Oh, there's doubt that's coming up. Boom, let's go in there.

39:42Let's get rid of that. And it's not an intellectual thing to remove doubt. It's a feeling thing in the body. And honestly, I don't care what we call it. We call it in the shocker. We call it just feeling in the body. You can say, all right, I feel doubt coming up right now, just point of why? Well, I have this memory that's created this scar tissue within my nervous system right now because it's happened for that. I believe if I try to do this, then something bad is going to happen when we lose a fight. So we need to actually accept that, right? Zen probably what I can't accept won't change. So you use these breathing techniques to accept your way through it.

40:14The body kind of relaxes through it. And then we let it go, and then we choose the opposite belief, and that's dalken me of the process. Do you know how many people were involved in the study that showed that the visualization right before the performance was better? Jamie, you find it. So it's a different one. This is about hip flexors. Hip flexors. There's a bunch of them out there though. Study whether mental training alone could produce a gain in muscular strength. 30 male university athletes including football, basketball, and rugby players were randomly assigned to perform mental training of their hip flexor muscles to use weight machines to physically exercise their hip flexors or to form a control group which received neither mental nor physical training.

40:53The hip strength of each group was measured before and after training physical strength was increased by 24 % through mental practice. strength was also increased through physical training by 28 % but did not change significantly in the control condition. Whatever that means. That means that people didn't do anything. They didn't visualize and they didn't do anything. Oh, in the control group. Yeah. Okay, I'll get it. I thought they were saying a different thing. The strength game was greatest amongst football players. Given mental training, mental and physical training produced similar decreases in heart rate and both yielded a marginal reduction in and systolic blood pressure, the results support, the related findings of whoever that is, that giant name.

41:37Interesting. Very interesting. So it definitely has an effect. And it seems like it definitely has a positive effect right before you're performing any kind of athletics. Yeah, and I think these studies are over like, at least a six week period of time. So if you wanna see like strength -based tests improve over time, like they're incrementally getting stronger, right? It's not just then, they're kinda maintain I imagine as long as they continue to do the visualization. Yeah, I wonder, you know, that's the thing is like, most people that go to the gym, like most people who are listening to this have regular jobs.

42:10If they go to the gym, they don't go visualize. Yeah, this is people - Like performance stuff we're talking about. Yeah. This is pro -op, please. Don't you, if you're trying to get better, like what way do you want to get better, this is good for you too. Yeah. I know it sucks. You don't want to visualize your kettlebell routines and visualize your muscles growing afterwards, but it might be worth a go. I'd like to hear from some people that try it. Because if that kind of results, that's pretty. Oh, it's crazy. That's pretty nutty. So like I'm saying, I did this stuff, and then I actually abandoned my football career because I liked it so much.

42:43And I went on and did research. I got a research grant just to look at the effect of using some of these techniques on bench press and performance and also decreasing anxiety. Because for me, I realized when I was 18, 19, I had crazy anxiety. I was like, all right, this stuff is helping. You know, call in meditation, hypnosis, whatever you mean. If you can progressively relax yourself, right, sitting in a float tank, right? If you can just do that, if you can progressively relax yourself, your anxiety is going to go down, your cortisol levels are going to go down, the whole body is going to thrive.

43:11And this is actually like connected to so much that's due to our health, kind of come to full circle is I see so much, other professional athletes come to me with these injuries, the physical therapists working on it, working on it, working on it, nothing's happening. It's just a nagging injury every single time if I can relax them enough and I can get to the root emotional core Of whatever's creating this pain for them and it's usually emotional. It's actually like a memory or Some kind of mental box like the governor is coming in right? I'll see it let some guys in like the lower minor leagues He's trying to go up to the major leagues and it's like these things will just start to express themselves When they're just about to get to that next level and if we can move through the emotional side of it The pain disappears.

43:54Right, but not in all injuries, right? There's gotta be like legitimate injuries where guys blow their marniscus out, guys have broken shin bones to be reconstructed. Stuff that can't be explained. Like a lot of times, right? You go to the doctor, like I don't know what your issue is. All right, that happens all the time. Okay, well that's a different thing. I mean, the realities of physical injuries that guys get from combat sports training are real. Like you have bulging discs in your neck and your arm goes numb. that's, that's a real problem. You know, it's not just an emotional thing. Almost speaking about things that are like nagging and you're doing the physical therapy and it's not working.

44:29Right. Okay, if that's you, then that's the point. So yeah, we gotta be specific, right? So you're talking about like weird stuff that does come up where they're almost like psychosomatic injuries because guys are responding badly to the pressure. And not even just the pressure, it could just be, it could be an injury that existed before, but it's just not healing. For whatever reason, it's not healing, and it's just kind of recurring. If you can get to the emotional root, who keeps that, I have fun with this now. I always look up whenever someone tells me they're injury. I just look at chat GPT.

44:59What is a spiritual emotional connection to this injury? And it's usually right on point. I'd be like, what do you think about this? They're like, oh, yeah, that's something. Spiritual emotional connection, but not to like legit injuries, like a broken hand. Yeah, I mean, yeah, for sure. Like someone breaks their hand, they're gonna get screws and plates in there. Sure. Yeah. That's a lot. You can't look that up on Chachi BT. Yeah, yeah. Broke is fucking a hand. I'll give you an example. Like I have so many of these, right? It might be like someone has like a hamstring that just nagging, right?

45:31A lot of athletes. Like I pop my hamstring and just won't feel normal again, right? Right. I look that type of stuff up. It's like, all right, well, why isn't it going away? I work with like pitchers and majorly baseball. It's like my hip. It's like, well, why is this coming up now? and use it as always like some kind of route and if we can get to it we can relieve it. I bet there's a lot of guys too that have if you think about making a living with your body, you make a living in a sport with your body where you're putting your body through explosive movements that could blow joints out so there's always this anxiety that all could go away.

46:03Yes. One twist of the ankle, one blow out, I mean look at people all the time lose their careers in football and in martial arts because they blow a knee out or they blow their back apart. There's only like 10 core beliefs that create fear in athletes I've seen. Like there's not that many and one of them is one you're pointing out right now is like, life changing injuries. Will I be able to sustain it? You know the core is like, will I be able to sustain it or will I be able to continue to do the thing that I love? Right. And of course like yeah, if you get injured then you're gonna lose it all.

46:33Did you ever talk to a wide men after he broke his leg? I did. Did you? I did. Yeah. Does he openly talk about that? Are we allowed to talk about this? Yeah, I mean he gave me a testimonial. So I think it's pretty open. You gave him like online so you could talk about this. Yeah, he put like a video testimony. I want to talk to the toughest guys it's ever fought in the UFC. He's an animal and that guy in his prime was fucking terrifying. Yeah. But that injury that he got is one of the absolute hardest injuries to recover from. That broken leg when they break their shin in half like that. very few people ever come back.

47:10I mean, there's one guy I believe that's a heavyweight in Belator, who happened to him, and he's fighting again and fighting well. I don't know his name, see if he could find his name. But Anderson was never the same after his Tyrone Spong was never the same after his widenment was never the same after his. It's just, psychologically, it's got to be fucking crazy to think that you threw a super powerful kick that broke your own leg and half. And now you're expected, you went through a year and a half of a hell to try to just get to the point we can hit pads again. And now you're going to go risk it again.

47:46Might kick someone's knee again and break your shin again and do that again. And then you can't walk again. Well, we're talking about it like that. Just so we could be a physical scar tissue, it's that emotional scar tissue, you know, it's just like it's hard for those thoughts not to come back into your head of like, I need to be extra careful here. Well, the reasonable thoughts. Yeah, of course. You know if you think about it, but it's like Chris had that style. I mean that the kick that he threw in your eye hall was full blast. I mean he fucking ripped that kick and then when I heard that snap, I've heard that snap a couple of times and it is the most horrible sound, man.

48:23The sound of a bone breaking, like a person's bone breaking, it's like Oh fuck, it gets you like in every cell in your body like, God damn, that's awful. I've seen it a bunch. I've seen it at least half a dozen times. I've seen people get a bone broken. Yeah, it's traumatizing. Yeah. To come back from that is very hard, because we're talking about the anxiety of always worrying about getting injured and then you get injured from maybe a kick you through or Tim Silvia Frank me or Frank me or Broke his arm or Frank me or Minotaro, spiral fracture from that Camora, like, look, coming back from something like that is really hard.

49:07But what do you do for a fighter when you're trying to rebuild them? Do you take each fighter as a unique project and you just want to know everything about them and what bothers them about themselves, what bothers them about their discipline? So how do you do it? I'm gonna explain what I do. It's gonna sound woo -woo, but I also wanna contextualize it with the fact that I didn't believe in anything. Like, it's just my experience of doing this stuff for 17 years now and just seeing and feeling my way into this art that now I speak about things that the old me 15 years ago, 20 years ago, would be like, shut the fuck up.

49:46Right? But so what I do with any of my clients is I bring them to a very relaxed state. Like, think of custody of the model. What do you do with my ties? Like that's what I'm doing with these guys, right? So I'm bringing them almost into a hypnotic state and I'm bringing them down into this place where they finally let go. They no longer trying to like, keep me out, defend, keep up this like identity they want to project into the world. So they can actually get to the insecurities because I don't touch any of the beliefs that are working for them. As someone has posibly, they're successful. I don't touch any of that stuff.

50:17All I'm trying to find is their insecurity, their fear, their anxiety, their doubt. And so I'm just digging deeper and deeper into their body until we start to like think about things They want to achieve and it's like ooh, what was twitchy there? Right something twitches in them. It's like I'm feeling like I'm getting angry now. Why are you getting angry? Right? Why do we get angry? It's because we're afraid and we're trying to Defend ourselves and so if I find something like that I feel into it with them and then I ask them like What would what do you believe in be true that make you feel this way right now?

50:48And if I sit there long and I hold him in that tension, it'll eventually come up. And through that, we can release that belief. We can accept our way through it first. We can release it and we can reprogram it. How are you sending this up? Is this actual hypnosis? Are you doing like hypnotic techniques? Yeah. Yeah. And how did you learn how to do that? Same guy, sensei. Sensei, you have a cult? You have a cult that we could join? A one of one. So this guy taught you hypnosis techniques as well. Yeah, yeah, he taught me a lot of different things. Hypnosis, and LP, timeline therapy. And then I didn't go on and get a secondary degree.

51:26So I studied that, I created my own degree. I went to a liberal arts school in L .A. The mental aspect of human performance. But everything I was learning that was helping me and my teammates, I was learning outside of school. So I was like, I'm not going to go get, spend $200 ,000 in getting a secondary degree when I'm learning everything else outside of school. So I've just continued to go to workshops, learn, study with different people who know how to do different techniques. And that's how I learn very kinesthetically. And the same way that if you're doing martial arts, you're just trying to go to as many masks you can, who this guy do get to, this guy kickboxing.

51:56That's just what I've done. I've gone and tried to find different people who are really good at what they do. And that's how I learn through doing and actually experiencing the work of myself first. It works for me. I try it on my clients, it works for them. I just keep it going. And I just I don't have one technique. I use Many different techniques whatever the moment calls for that sort of use are there even Degrees that you could get in human performance that would sort of match the kind of studying that you're doing No, is there anything like if you went to a major university Do they consider a human mental performance and human performance whether it's in athletics or chast or anything like that We have to really think through things and deal with pressure.

52:35Do they consider that and a discipline? Is that something that they study? I think sports psychology. I think you can get it. That sounds very rude of entry. It is. Sports psychology versus human performance. It is. When you think about this conversation that you and I are having, one of the things that we're talking about is how important it is to have a mindset that allows you to work your way through difficulties and become successful at a thing and just get out of your own way. Everybody wants to do that. So if that's a real thing, why wouldn't that be taught in every major university? They won't lay smoke the toe of school.

53:17That's what. But they don't have to specifically advocate for it. But the kids are going to do it anyway. But what's important is that they should recognize that this is a thing. Yeah. Like if it's If we all agree and I bet any competitive athlete in any sport has experienced anxiety. You've had days where you felt amazing and you performed amazing and then you've had days where you doubted yourself and you fucked up and you dropped the ball or whatever you did. There's this weird battle that goes on in the head and it's all, it has a giant result whatever's going on in your head and how you perform.

53:55Yes. And you always talk about where do ideas come from, right? Where do they magically come from? I don't know where they come from exactly, but I know how they're getting filtered, and it's just through the beliefs, because our belief system deletes, distorts, and generalizes information. And the fact that nobody, not nobody, but many people don't understand how that filtration station works, just limits so many of us from achieving what we want. Because we're literally like, you all know the girl who's like dated and asked one, she's like all men are assholes, right? She's deleting, distorting, generalizing, like her best friend who's married to an incredible guy, right?

54:29But when you believe something, you literally shape the world to make it match it. Right. Yeah, you kind of do. Yeah. And if you believe bad things, bad things will happen to you. No, 100%. There's millions of pieces of information that you can see, smell, taste, or touch in any moment. There's so much sensory information. We can only pick up on a few in our conscious mind in any moment. So that's where the ideas come from. I also think it's interactive more than we like to admit. Tell me about that. I don't think you can manifest your own reality, but I think you have a part in the process and the thinking part about and the visual, not necessarily visualizing, but staying on a path.

55:13There's an element that's going on there that's affecting reality itself. It's there's there's a weird exchange of energy between human beings and between reality itself That I don't think we figured out how to measure. I don't think it's as simple as you know life as a series of events And it all takes place randomly and good luck to the synchronicities are undeniable Yeah, there's some stuff that's weird. There's some stuff that's weird that makes me think without going full will, will, will, maybe we just don't have a grasp of the full spectrum of all the things that are happening, of all the factors that play, and how many of them have to deal with, you know, we would air quote, energy.

55:56Yes. You know, that's where the will, will comes in. Here's how I appeal to my rational mind to make this make sense, right? Okay. So I think about beliefs are like the code of our mind that's constantly filtering in the information. All this code does is determine how I'm going to feel and that feeling either going to make me want to go towards something or pull away from it. Yeah. So I just want my beliefs to push me or pull me towards the things that I want because it's going to lead to me behaving in a way that gets to an outcome. Yes. It's simple as that. Yeah. Well, that's logical. But everybody's starting from a different place, right?

56:33So there's some people that are starting from a devastating place of a lack of self -belief. And for those, it's just gonna be a longer journey to get to some sort of positive outcome. But a lot of people just don't know how to begin the first steps. Like they want to, like if you just have like no confidence, you feel like shit, you feel like every day is garbage. Every way you go, you think, oh my god, everyone's gonna hate me. Well, there's a lot of people that walk through life like that. You want the first step? What's the first step? So awareness. Awareness. Yeah. Setting alarm on your phone every three hours just to ask yourself, how do you feel?

57:05But you feel like shit every hour on the hour. But you gotta sit in that, right? Because most people like cut themselves off at like the head and they just stay in the thoughts, the negative thoughts, but they don't actually go into the feeling. So that's step one. Just to sit in the shit pit of full awareness of all the feelings. Then from there, suddenly I alarm for the next week that go, okay, feel what's coming up and then ask yourself, what were you focused on? The week is start to take some kind of ownership over like where those thoughts coming from. How is my focus creating the way that I feel?

57:37And you can start to see your beliefs by connecting those dots of like, why is that making me feel angry? So you have to feel first and then notice what you're focusing on. And then you start to come into this feeling of, well, I'm seeing it, right? It's the four stages of learning. You're getting to this place of conscious and competence. I see that I make myself feel bad. I don't know how I'm doing it. And then you can go, okay, what if I start to flip the focus? And I started to build that muscle because this is the way I think about the mind and all these things is it's a muscle Just like the body you can start to train it your mind just picks up on these patterns of repetition Just like striking back just like anything else if you do something over and over again, right?

58:17You say same things yourself over and over again The repetition starts to make its way down at the subconscious level Well, you've been talked about that that area of the brain that actually grows larger when you do things You don't want to do and you build discipline So it really is like a muscle. So you don't want to focus on the thing that is good for you because it feels like, oh, yucky, it's like I'm lying to myself. But that's the exercise. It's just flipping. Just continuing to flip it. But for some people, they don't know how to get started with these thoughts. Like without hiring a coach.

58:49I mean, do you have it laid out? Yeah, you got the book. What someone's doing with the book? It's a literally playbook. Just do everything in the second half of the book. It's a dark book. What I'm getting to this is though, you know, you deal with a guy like Sean Brady, he's already tough as fuck, he's already, you know, elite MMA fighter, he has this loss, but he's already a beast of a human being. Well, when you're dealing with people that don't have any athletic background, and you know, maybe they just have a job, and they just have no fucking confidence when they're sick of it. They're sick of like living life in this anxiety pit of despair, and they wanna find a way out.

59:22There's gotta be like multiple different things that have to happen, right? So it's not just the way you think, but there's also like actions and I think this is an action right step into awareness Yes, feel it the next set of actions the next week step into awareness of what you're feeling and what do you folks You on the makes you feel the way that's another set actions But do you feel like this is all possible for someone to achieve without some kind of physical exercise in coordination with it? What kind of exercise are you talking about? It seems to me that people with depression in particular, like one of the best cures for depression is regular exercise, any kind of exercise.

1:00:03Whether it's, you know, fucking go jog around the lake, whatever you want to do. Well, listen, even before any of this is low hanging fruits, like in the book, I take it, I have people doing intake of their life. And I have them also kind of just look at all the low hanging fruit of like, if you're drinking vodka bottles at seven a .m. in the morning, like that's a low hanging fruit you need to start to find a way through drink one instead of three, right? There's all these like small steps you have to take one bottle instead of three. Like you know the tiny bottles come out. You know what I'm saying?

1:00:31Like this is a drinking vodka in the morning. Like you've got bigger problems. Bro, I've had clients who are like, you know high level executives that are so stressed that they drink first thing in the morning. I've had and I've held them get off there completely. But it starts with something like that of like, all right. Well, that's a big duh, right? But what I'm getting at is I think if you want to have less anxiety, you got to ring some of it out of your physical body as well And that'll help you achieve clarity You have to think about it like a nutrient that you're taking or brushing your teeth or doing some take your medication You have to really think about it like that and it doesn't matter what kind of stuff you do It doesn't matter whatever you like to do if you like to do yoga You want to go hike with a weight vest on you want to do pushups in a parking lot?

1:01:14Like, what do I do? Do something. I couldn't agree more. You have to do something where you push yourself, because if you don't, your body stores up. It seems like all this anxiety. Yes. And the reason why I believe this, one of the reasons why I believe this is, like, I've had some of like the best mind sets ever in my life after yoga classes and long stretching sessions, where I'm working on something. I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna stretch out here. And I'll just sit and stretch for an hour and a half, two hours. And when I get up, I feel wonderful. I feel like the world is beautiful. I want to hug people.

1:01:50I feel so peaceful. I love doing that like right before I do stand up. It's like one of my favorite things is to really stretch out right before I do stand up. And I just feel so relaxed. It's so different. So you're carrying around actual physical tension that affects your mind. That's why I think regardless of the tools that you use in terms of all of it. I'm all of it. That's why I'm not just mental performance. It has to be all of it. It's nutrition. So important, right? The gut brain access. It has to be nutrition, exercise, rigorous exercise. How about your career? Living a life where you have like some sense of meaning, right?

1:02:28And starting to move towards that. Right. Don't do something you hate just because it pays you if you have an option to do something that you might possibly love. If you want a better life, that's the life. Even if you're making less money, that's the life. You don't want to be doing something you don't want to do. You're trying to decrease the amount of stuck energy and that's what you're trying to do when you feel suppressed Right, you're not doing what you want to do the energy is stuck And if you're doing a job that you hate and you know you could be doing something else You just never fucking gone for it like ooh that'll eat away your head.

1:02:57It's just always there It's always there. It's always forever and ever and ever It'll always eat away you that you never took a chance you just they show up every day 9 a .m I'm chunk, chunk, punch in, fuck. Just waiting for 5 p .m. fuck. And then you get off and you're tired. And then you see other people that didn't do that. And you feel like shit even more. And then it's like you're 40. And it's too late you feel like it. But it's not. Are you breathing? Are you alive? Okay, then you can figure out something better than what you're doing. You don't have much time left. Yeah. That self -suppression creates a depression in any aspect, right?

1:03:36Yeah. Anytime you're trying to just, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh, just like squeeze in, hold it in, hold it in, whether it's an inspiration you have, whether it's like, hey, I wanna go play this sport. Right. But I just never make time for it. That's self -suppression. Like you have to make time for your natural inspiration to flow through, and if you don't, I think that's what creates depression. Well, it's very hard for people to get going. To just actually do something. And I brought this up a million times, and I'll bring it up again, unfortunately. Stephen Pressfield has an amazing book called The War of Art.

1:04:08And it's about that suppression that you put on yourself, that weird, and he calls it resistance. And he talks about summoning the muse and deciding that you're a professional and show up every day. And I think it's the same with that. It's the same thing. It's hard to just get off the couch and put your shoes on. Like Goggan's talks about it. He's like, I stared those motherfuckers I have an hour sometimes. I don't believe him. But he always puts him, I believe him. He doesn't lie. He doesn't lie for 30 minutes? Yep, 100%. He doesn't lie. He's telling you the truth. That's what. Because he brutalizes himself.

1:04:41It makes sense that he stares at him for 30 minutes. But he probably literally stares at them. Yeah. Fuck you. It's just cussing him out. And then he just puts him on. You know me, son? Exactly. It was then he puts him on. So there's something there. You know? There it is. That resistance that PressFold talks about. like that's exactly what I'm talking about, right? Yeah, that's doing something to you. Whether you're an athlete, whether you're a creative, I mean, I think it applies to everyone. Like the resistance is whatever's holding you back from following your natural inspiration. Well, I think a big part of that resistance is a fear of failure.

1:05:15There's a thing that hovers over people, that's fear of failure, and that actually, it keeps you from just doing the things that you need to do to be successful. You get afraid. for whatever weird reason, it becomes a predominant fear in your head. Broken code, there's so many reasons. Like, I'll give you an example. So I ran like a big fitness channel when I was trying to make it before I started working with cool clients who are like, John Brady and built a big fitness community. And I would see that like a mom who's not doing her exercise and it's like, why don't you just do it? Just do it.

1:05:49Just get up. Just do it. You deep, you go down into a subconsciously fine, oh, why believe that if I I start working out, I won't have time to be the mom that I am right now, and then my kids will leave me. Completely irrational. But subconsciously, that's what exists down there. For so many people, they think they're going to lose out on something. And if they lose it, it's not worth it subconsciously than doing the thing that they're inspired to do. But it's also sometimes people that their health is bad, and then unfortunately they're not eating correctly, and that's why their health is bad, and they have zero energy.

1:06:23And so the daunting task of doing something on top of working all day It's almost like overwhelming to them. Yeah, and then if they have kids and they have a bunch of and then the option is get up at 6 a .m Like no fuck. Well, that's a power of transmuting the energy So just flipping the energy on it right to go from this is gonna make me a worse mom to this can make me a better mom And maybe that will give them enough juice to actually go do the workout Maybe maybe I mean There's got to be something that you can do to trick yourself into having the energy to get started But that's kind of what it is.

1:06:54It's like you have to trick yourself into getting started and then When you get to an elite athlete level like Brady, it's got to be about Making sure the process is airtight, right? It's got to be like really tuning it in right like making sure it's finally tuned Yeah Basically, fight week, I want his energy, I want him to be matter of fact about everything. Just matter of fact, just neutral, just sitting right here, you know, they're feeling you have in your heart where you're just like present, just right there, right there. But what, how do you get there? Like what's the way to get there? So for him at that elite level, it's going down and it's clearing out anything that comes up during camp.

1:07:37It might be, this isn't actually Sean, but like I work with a lot of their fighters and for them, it would be, oh, I'm losing in some of my sparring sessions. And so their confidence is actually going down because of that. And so it's literally reprogrammed that belief inside of them. And this sounds, whatever one would do with session, you'll have to feel it with me. And what happens is we transmute the energy to make them feel that it's okay to believe that even when they're losing and sparring, they're getting better. And so it's something to shift inside of them. Instead of it creating a seeded out when they're like working on something, they're drilling something and they're not winning everything.

1:08:12Now it's okay, I'm getting better. And it's just a feeling that's just in them. Well, that is reality, right? I mean, as long as they're not getting truly beat up, rationally, of course, sparring at a good place. But that survival instinct or that goes, I should be winning everything. Yeah. Doesn't like that. And so we sometimes we have to rewire the things. That's what we're doing as we're going through camp is like seeing what comes up, what's decreasing confidence, what, are you dialed in everything? You know, I'm working with other coaches as well and making sure Are they doing what you want them to do?

1:08:40And if they're not, what's going on here? And that's kind of my job. So it has to have, rather it requires a very strong connection between you and the athlete. Oh, deep. I would say that nobody knows any of my clients better than them, except for maybe their wives. Better than you know them. Yeah. It's an extreme intimacy. because I talk about some of the book called the core wound. So the worst thing that ever happened is the worst thing that ever happened to you. But some people have, you know, they might have witnessed a murder or maybe they lost a parent when they were young, like something really bad.

1:09:19Another person might have been bullied when they're in the fourth grade and kicked out of a friend group. If we identify what that core wound is for them, that fundamentally hurts their confidence to this day and we clear that out, we can exponentially increase just their confidence and their self -belief. But the only way we get there as they're telling me their deepest darkest secret. Robert, how do you clear it out? Once you, there's some of these techniques. There's something I call the hypnosis, right? You can use it with hypnosis. NLP, there are all these mind techniques that you can utilize to clear the energy, which clears the emotion.

1:09:51So NLP, that is like that Anthony Robbins stuff, right? Neural linguistic programming. That's what he does, right? I think that's part of what he does. I don't know, I've never worked with him, but. And did you go to school to learn Neural linguistic programming? No, I just studied with someone who taught it to me. Yeah, I just learned very well one to one. Just like that's how I learned. They're not totally familiar with it. How complicated it is, and LP. Cause I know some people like really believe in it. It's all perception, right? That's what it is. Explain what it means by you say neuro -linguistic programming.

1:10:21What does that mean? Yeah. I don't even know what the, I don't know how to explain neuro -linguistic programming, but I would just tell you what it is. Okay. Okay. Fundamentally, you're just playing with perception, right? So someone has something easy for me to get rid of is like the fear of flying I have this baseball player that sure I'm working with every time it gets on a flight So it's freaking out unnecessary So what do we do? We imagine him on the plane and I have him sit visualize being on the plane and starting to get to that place of anxious What are thoughts? Oh the planes in the crash?

1:10:51He knows this irrational. But why is he feeling this anyway? We have to go into a feel the emotion feel the emotion then I have an imagine for example a giant picture in his mind in his mind's eye. And this picture is holding him and all the anxiety in the worst case scenario happening. And then we won't get rid of the color in the picture. And then we imagine this picture becoming super tiny. And then we imagine it just disappearing. And then we put a new picture in there of him being able to fly, not crash, be able to do it all the time and be successful. That's it. That's it. What if it was 9 -11?

1:11:25And we flew right into the tower right after he gave him that advice. Well, that sucks. How would you feel? Would that be it? You'd be like, I quit. I'm done. Yeah. I mean, they sound like very simple techniques, but it's something you have to experience. Yeah, but it would seem to me that it would be very difficult to get people to actually change their beliefs that easily. Like the idea sounds solid, but the actual process of shifting how you view the world, depending upon the person, is like turning a battleship around. Yeah, it is. It's heavy. I don't know. I mean, this is the stuff that goes beyond the rational mind.

1:12:02Like, you were the experience, you'd be like, okay, I get it. Yeah. But it's a it's a emotional experience. I mean, how do you there's some things we can't explain, right? Like, how do you explain going through the veil on a psychedelic experience? It's something that you can't really explain when you come back on the other side. It's that kind of thing where it's like when you're in the experience It's like, how is it supposed to be possible? I explain the techniques you're rationally, but like what are you talking about? Same thing if you have this immense psychedelic experience and you're passing through the veil and you're seeing all these things having this experience of interconnecting this and you try to come back and you tell somebody who's never had a psychedelic experience.

1:12:37I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah, there's not enough words. No, and no words work. This stuff goes beyond language. It's the same thing. Yeah, you can say like, I saw a beautiful rose and I'm like, oh, cool. I know what that looks like. That's why it, yeah, yeah. Exactly. There's not enough words for a psychedelic experiment. So this work, that's why I put together the playbook So I get people actual things that they can do because I understand that everyone's going to work with me One -to -One to build the experiences, but People can do these simple exercise people can audit their life and they can see some of the patterns of thinking and Just the awareness of seeing something as you're thinking if you study enough you might be able to change it right we've all had bad habits and Sometimes just get to a point where like all right I'm doing that anymore.

1:13:19So this neuro linguistic programming do you you specifically designed this kind of, so what you do, that is one of the things you do. Do specifically designed different ones for different people that you work with, if you're going to work one on one with a client? Honestly, I don't know what I'm going to do before I go into any session. It's all just, I just feel it. In the present moment, I mean, you could think of it like, I have all these tools I can use, and then I feel into what their issue is, and then I do my best with the tools I have to fixer issue. I'm just problem solving the moment.

1:13:51Does it feel weird to do that as a career? I mean, that sounds like a crazy job. It feels like not so much weight on your shoulders to try to help a person, especially try to help an elite athlete, knowing what to say and how to get their mind tuned in right and what to introduce and whether or not this technique is effective, am I doing this right? I just don't think I surrender to something bigger than myself. That's what I have to do. It's just allow. How did you know that you could do it though? Like how did you know that this was gonna be like really effective, especially on someone like a fighter where it's like, this is a really complicated gig.

1:14:26Like you really, you wanna talk about a sport where you have to have your mind right? Like there's no sport like fighting. Because any mistake you make, you're gonna get head kicked. Yeah, well, I lose too sometimes, right? So like, Wyman, I helped him come back, his first fight back from after he broke his leg. And he said that's the best he's ever felt in his career going into a fight. He's still lost the fight. Yeah, there's a physical factor there too that whether or not a guy like Wyman never wants to admit because he's so tough because he has this incredible belief in himself But a catastrophic break of a bone like that when you're in your late 30s That is hard to come back from man.

1:15:06That's not simple. Yeah, it takes a long time and you know, he came back You know he he eventually reached a higher a higher level than in this first fight back But he doesn't you know necessarily look like Chris Wyman when he beat Anderson Silva or Chris Wyman 39 yeah, yeah Unfortunately and these guys it's like if you're natural and he's natural They get to a certain point where the body just can't keep up with the brain like the brain is so strong And they're so tough, but their body is not a 24 -year -old's body anymore. It doesn't move right anymore And this accumulation of injuries regardless of your belief system.

1:15:45It's just your foot doesn't work anymore, bro. You know what I mean? That was me understanding like when I was 18 years old, I'm like, I'm not that good at football. Like I don't have the physical gifts. Like I'm just not that athletic. I'm not going to run that fast. And when, so this is how I discovered it, right? I started to learn these techniques. Like I can do things like get rid of someone's headache very easily with some of these techniques. So like I have a teammate, how to terrible headache. I'm like, alright, let's do some of these hypnosis relaxation techniques. He's like my head is gone.

1:16:10I'm like I'm way better than this. I was a football and that was a spark within me That made me I would take him to the hospital. I'm like bro. You might be having a stroke. Let's get you to the hospital Just a headache. Come on When a guy who's a tough guy complains about a headache. I always get concerned He wasn't that tough. We said football player. He's got to be tough Bro, you want to see tough look at the bra James's feet. I was looking at the bra James's feet today online Have you seen him, Jamie? Bro, how does that guy play elite basketball? Yeah. What those fucked up feet? Like his feet are so broken because of all the years of exploding and twisting and turning and he's been playing professionally for how long?

1:16:5220 years, which is... 21 I think? That's bananas. Yeah, I don't know. Think about the amount of explosions he's forced his feet to perform. Imagine moving back and forth and you wait 250 pounds. Like that's nuts. That's so much force. He's not the same species as us. He's something else. Discipline, bro, but look at those toes. That is bananas. That's bananas. Like his toes just take like sharp turns. That may or may not be accurate. They might not be, right? That other one, look better. It looks pretty good. Let me see that. That looks a little better. It's a little over it, but it's a little over it.

1:17:30but he might be getting it. Maybe he did that on purpose. Maybe he did that for the picture just to be silly. So that's the viral while I go is on the beach. Yeah, that's pretty obvious. So his big toe goes under the next toe. It's that twisted in. That's obvious. That also doesn't look the same foot as that foot. You know, Brian Simpson was having a problem with that too because he's got wide feet and I told him about yoga toes. That stuff works, man. You ever use those? They stretch your feet out. You put your toes in there and they stretch. It's like a little rubber stopper in between each little tozi and it stretches your foot out and makes it You know feel better release the tent the pressure that you're getting with narrow toe shoes where it's squishing it in the front Fucking your feet up nice, but to be that tough to play basketball with that kind of a foot for 20 plus years.

1:18:17That's nuts Yeah It's taking a lot of to be got to be run with no knees nuts Nuts. That's what inspiration does though. I think these guys just want it. They want it. They want to keep going. They want to keep pushing it. They want to see what's possible. Yeah, I was watching a fight today. One of my little chat groups that I have with Dean Thomas and Matt Sarah and John Rollo. A guy was fighting in a box. It looks like a boxing match and he has one leg. So he's hopping around with one leg trying to fuck this guy up. So if you ever think like maybe Here let me find this yeah, you ever think like maybe life has been too hard on me maybe the barriers in front of me Insurmountable try fucking doing what this guy's doing because this is really kind of crazy and I don't understand what they're doing because they're their barefoot, but they're Not kicking and I guys the guy can't kick because the only has one leg Maybe they agreed no kicking but like why put a shoe on yeah, you know, I don't understand why if you guys aren't gonna kick Why don't you have shoes on it's better for you grip, but this guy's hopping around did you get it Jamie?

1:19:30This guy's hopping around throwing punches with literally one leg look at this. Oh, how nuts is that? One thing you do have to think It sucks that he only has one leg, but I bet he weighs about 40 pounds lighter that way. So he's probably got some strong ass arms, but you can only generate so much force with one leg. I can't even balance in one leg. I know his balance is insane, man, and his movement's really good too. Like there's people that have two legs that don't move that good, it's nuts. The other dude's like, I wish I could leg kick you. Okay. They get so not fair, you can guarantee that dude can't kick you back.

1:20:09So explosive, but it's just pretty nutty that you know, he's still willing to fight and he's hitting this guy I mean, yes the human will yeah, it's incredible It is incredible the human mind can do very strange things if you let it keep going down a path and keep getting better and better Yes, you know, you can get to a very strange place that you know a lot of people don't want to believe exists Yeah, you just to keep expanding the possibilities right exposure itself to new things I think that's why people in my field traditionally, they're not doing psychedelics. I guess not really a thing that people do.

1:20:48Why do you think that is? I would imagine that anybody that's really exploring how the line works. I'd say maybe more spike sports psychology, stuff like that, because they're more clinical. They're more clinical people. They're doctors, they're people and much more clinical and methodical about things. But for me, my full ego death through the Bufo Toad was fundamentally the most important part of me learning to do what I do. Because in that experience it created enough space between me and all my beliefs. You know, it's that like the neuroplasticity that gets created in those moments afterwards where you can actually kind of see things.

1:21:22You can kind of see the force from the trees. If you never have the experience then like this is something people talk about all the time, right? It's the whole thing. The ego is the enemy. So like well, it depends what you're considering the ego because you can't give it to the ego. know, if the ego dies, then you're just in the oneness, right? So you need the ego, we have to build it up. And I think for fighters, especially, like they need massive egos, but they need healthy egos, egos that our program succeed. Yeah, no ego is not attainable. If you're a human being, you're going to have an ego.

1:21:55You just have to figure out how to manage it. And don't let it burn your house down. You know, it's like that custom auto quote about fear, fears like fire, you can cook your food with it, or if it gets out of that control will burn your house down. I think that's the case with many, many things, including psychedelics, by the way. I think there's a lot of people that burn their house down. I think there's a lot of people that go really far and they lose their grip on reality. And reality gets real slippery. And they sort of try to redefine reality to fit their own narrative. And they seem schizophrenic.

1:22:27I've seen that from multiple people that have taken too many psychedelics. They're just abusing me. You gotta use like a tool. Well, yeah, but it's also everybody has their own specific way that they interact with the world. And if you're taking psychedelics to justify your specific way of interacting with the world, and then you start indoctrinating other people to your specific way of running the world, You try to have a branch off civilization. That's like this thing that happens to guys in particular. You don't see a lot of female gurus, psychedelic ladies. They're more like mother figures, but not gurus.

1:23:13The gurus are all dudes, and it almost always... Sex. It's always cool. It's down the pussy. Almost always. Or Dick, depending on what you're into. Yeah, because the guy out here in Texas in Austin was There was a there's a building that Ron White loved called the one -world theater that we were actually in contract Under contract for before I wound up buying the mothership and that place was run by a cult and this guy was a gay guy He was a gay porn star and a hypnotist There you go. It's a double combo right there I was teaching yoga to folks in West Hollywood and slowly but surely formed a cult and then after Waco, remember the Waco thing went down.

1:23:57Everybody panicked and the cult awareness network apparently was like looking for him and looking into him because like a lot of the family it was like, my would lost my son, he went to that. So then he decided to change his name and then he moved to Austin and he had his followers build him a theater so he could dance in front of them and that's here. And it was, there's a crazy documentary called Holy Hell. But this guy, this is what's crazy. The people that hated him at the end of the documentary, the people that said that he was a giant scammer and he was a piece of shit and they wish they had never met him, they all said they had gone through this thing called the knowing and the knowing was like he would withhold it from them and a lot of them are like really upset, they weren't getting the knowing and it was this thing that he would do or he'd make them, I think they were on their knees and he would touch their face and tell them that it was going to happen.

1:24:50And they would all say the same thing. They would all say afterwards it was one of the most beautiful, the most beautiful experience of their life. They felt a complete total connection with God and it changed their worldview and their perception forever. Like it's available in your mind if you believe, if you truly believe and they truly believe that this guy was like a legitimate mystic. It was a legitimate guru. And because they believed that, even though this guy's like gay porn star and a hypnotist and a fucking psychopath, because they believed that when he put his hands on them, they felt it.

1:25:25So what a complicated relationship. You have this guy who, one of the guys left the cult and he's like, came in, this guy's been hypnotizing me and fucking me for 10 years. And then everybody was like, me too. It got crazy. and then they all wound up leaving. But he also did this thing for them, where he connected them to God, which is really nuts, man, because you would think, fuck that guy, that guy, it's so hot, you can't believe it. But they're all like, but there was this one day, and it was almost like a part of the little cosmic joke of life. Yes, it is a cosmic joke. This fucking weirdo possesses the ability to literally connect you with God.

1:26:10But he behaves like a demon. He's just butt -fuckin dudes and just taking all their money and it's just madness. But what he's able to do when he touches you is real. What a cosmic joke, if that's true. I believe it. You know, there's all those like Indian gurus, right? Where like people tell the stories of like all they have to do is like gaze on me or touch me. I've never experienced any of this and then you just feel like you've had experience with God. Yeah, I believe it. I believe if you believe it. That's what I think. I think there are guys that are living a very different life Just like you know, we're talking about like someone who can get to this David Goggins level of discipline or physical will I think there's guys like that with meditation and I think there's guys who get so far out there and If you recognize that they're so far out there I bet you sync up with the way they're seeing the world you let them think for you and you believe in them and then they do something to you, they put their hands on you or whatever they under, you believe it's going to happen and then your mind allows it to happen.

1:27:10I think we have access to a bunch of different states of consciousness. We just don't know the tools to access it. We don't know the code to crack to open them. And for some people, it's a near -death experience, which seems to be a chemical reaction. It's like an undeniable reaction that people have when they come back from the dead. For other people, it's not. For other people, like sometimes it's some sort of a life -changing revelation. For some people, it's like it's falling in love or having a child. There's something that happens that like rewires the way they see the world. And whatever those states are that are inside of us, I can't imagine why there's not courses at major universities studying how to access this stuff, studying how to achieve endogenous states of psychedelic experiences.

1:28:08Like James Nestor's book when he talks about hall trip breathing and all those different... You ever do that? I've done a bunch of it. Yeah, I've had like legit trips from breathing. Yeah, I guide some guys some my clients like they leave their body, you know, they have experiences of like leaving their body It feels very weird. You can get it especially when you do it. I like to do Breathing exercises in a tank in the tank. Yeah, you do it in a float tank Well Because the float tank itself is a psychedelic experience totally natural It's the best one because he there's no side effects and you can just open the door and it's over anytime you're freaking out Yeah, I can take it open the door Yeah, and then next time stay in a little longer and then settle it, but Doing breathing exercises in there.

1:28:53I mean you might as well be taking mushrooms You can you can get some bizarre experiences doing that. Yeah, so we talked about like how do we get people on this path I think it's these types of experiences that like open or doorway. It's like a hard reset I think actually for most people they should not do psychedelics most people people who are like in a really dark state You think most people are in a dark. Oh, okay. No, no, no Most people who are in a very dark state, they're struggling with really bad depression. I don't think they should go right to psychedelics. I mean, there's steps before that.

1:29:20I think they can do a lot of topic breathing, flow tanks. There's different. Just get healthy first, too. Yeah, you know, take some steps. But like there's things you can... You know one of the things that's a really good thing to tell people to do, find a fun physical hobby, something you can get good at. Whatever it is, whether it's fucking pickleball or whatever it is. Find a fun physical hobby that forces you to do a little bit of activity. You know, it doesn't have to be super strenuous, but something that you actually like doing. Yeah, it's social even better. You get moving, you get moving.

1:29:50And then there's also the thing about getting good at something, that for whatever reason, like really helps people, like if you really focus on getting good at something, that thing becomes the puzzle, instead of just like dealing with all the anxiety of life, then that becomes your focus, your focus becomes getting good at this thing. Humans needs something to pour their energy into. 100%. And then if you don't have that, you feel lost, and that's a lot of people in this world. And that's the problem with just having a regular job, which also saps you of your energy. You know? Absolutely. It could be something very simple, you know?

1:30:22But just find something that you just want to move on a path. Just get on a path. And that just incremental progress feels good. And the best thing is physical. Anything that you can do, that's why Jiu -Jitsu is so awesome. Because you could find that, you find the physical struggle, but also this incredible mental puzzle that you're figuring out every day. And then also you're dealing with all these anxieties and emotions and these weird feelings like, fuck, I don't want to roll with him. Oh, God, damn it. He's going to get me. And you're rolling with people that you got to learn how to relax.

1:30:53You got to learn, and they're like, oh my God, he didn't tap me this session. Whew. Like maybe you got nominated, but at least you didn't tap. And then next time make it, maybe you reverse someone. Maybe you sweep someone they never swept before. I mean, and then you just like, oh my God, I'm getting better at this. And you've got this puzzle. and then you've also got this extreme physical activity where the rest of the day seems so easy. It seems so, like, so relaxing. No matter what happens, you're so calm because you've been getting your fucking legs yanked on and your neck yanked on and fucking take it down and side -concrot controlled crushed and getting arm -triangled and this is easy.

1:31:32Like, no matter what you experience outside of that, your bar for what sucks. It's like your thing you do the most that sucks so hard is what you love. Yeah. Which is nuts. So it cures you in a lot of ways. And I think it's the remedy for young men. Yeah. There's a lot of men that just, and it's filled with nerds. You need to know that too. Like, that, it's not meatheads. You think it's meatheads. It's mostly not. And mostly it's like really intelligent people that excel at this physical puzzle. And then through that thing, they develop all this confidence. they become like much cooler people, much more interesting to hang out with.

1:32:09Like all my friends that are like black belts and jujitsu, they're all interesting. They're all cool to talk to. Like if I can talk to a guy and they tell me they're a black belt and jujitsu, I'm like, oh, okay, you've gone through the whole thing. Like you've gone through some shit. Like, okay, I guarantee you and I can find common ground. Like we could talk. Yeah. It's like, there's things that are out there that are available to you, that are a vehicle for developing your human potential. That's what I was taught when I was a kid. I was learning Taekwondo, that's how they described it. I never forgot that.

1:32:40A vehicle for developing your human potential. And I was like, that's perfect. Because I think you don't just do it from thinking about stuff and thinking different. I think you need physical stuff that you do. And the best physical stuff is scary stuff. Right a passage. We don't have many rights of passages. And doing any type of martial arts and having to compete is like, Oh, this is scary. It's building, it's building, it's building, what's going to happen? And you kind of have to face that fear of death in a way. It's like, you know, you're not going to die. But in a way, it feels like it when you're going to competition.

1:33:12It's like, this person is going to try to hurt me. Yeah. And to come through that and get to the other side, there's something that changes in your nervous system. For sure. You've actually experienced something that very few people ever experienced. And it's very different than a street fight because you were agreeing to it. And you're training for it. You've got this other person who's like training You know they're scary shit and they're on the other side of the cage and then you step in the two of you're about to go to war It's the nuttiest job in the history of the world It really is other than war and being a firefighter or a cop It is the nuttiest job in the history of the world You're agreeing to throw bones at each other in front of the world millions of people People love it and today they just announced you have seen just signed some crazy deal with paramount plus There's gonna be no more pay -per -views.

1:33:59All the events are gonna be available for everybody for free. Every pay -per -view, every fight card that they have from the Apex, which are my favorite. Everything is gonna be available for free. It's an amazing deal. I think it's gonna explode this board. Oh my God, through the roof. And it's a super smart move for Paramount. What a great move to not just have the UFC for seven years, but have it for free. like I don't think paramount cost but what how much does it cost a month? 10 bucks so if it's 10 let's say it's 10 bucks That's crazy. That's a hundred twenty dollars a year you could watch every UFC paper view Two UFC paper.

1:34:42He's like a hundred forty bucks, right? Isn't it? $70 bucks. Yeah, so you get all of them Everything's free. That's incredible. This is the port is gonna go fucking hyper. No average person only knows about the stars You know what I mean? But they're kind of detached because they're only watching highlights. Now they get to actually watch about the stars. They're going to be so much more bought into this board. Yeah. It's going to be nuts. And it'll be, it's such a smart move for Paramount because you have a built -in audience and it's immediately going to jump over there because everybody, you have to renew your ESPN subscription anywhere.

1:35:12You know? Like, you have to renew it. So it's just buy a Paramount subscription. Absolutely. By the way, ESPN has everything too. It's great. I kind of bummed out and I hope they don't lose the relationship that they had with ESPN with all their MMA shows I hope they don't go like fuck them. They went to Paramount I hope it's like a mutually beneficial thing like the UFC At least does some content still on ESPN because I think that's also a big factor in pulling people From like casual viewers that watch other sports that might occasionally watch a UFC fight And then they see like Dustin Poria versus Max Holloway and they're like holy shit and then they're hooked right?

1:35:49It's like having that coverage on sports center. That shit's huge. Having those post -fight shows on ESPN Plus, that shit is huge. For the real dorks like me, that's huge. Yeah, I think even for the average person that cares more about storytelling. Maybe the wives are like, this is interesting. They hear about the drama of their life a little bit and the hero's journey. Yeah, for sure. Well, it's unbelievably compelling when you watch two world class fighters fight in a world championship fight. Yeah. Unbelievably compelling. You know, like when you watch Sugar Sean on Malley try to get the title back from Rob, that was so compelling.

1:36:30Yeah. Sugar Sean changes his whole life. Did you talk with him at all? I haven't. I'm very curious. I would love to talk with him because I know he cut out weed, right? And he - Cut out weed, stop jerking off, I believe, and abandon all social media. Yeah. Which is very fascinating. I might be wrong about the jerking off. I think I might have added that in there. But he recognized that this guy's a mother fucker. He's a completely different thing. Like Marab is like a David Goggins in that respect, that he's so far down the path of pushing himself, that it's almost like you're never going to catch him in that game.

1:37:07You know, like six months of not jerking off and staying off TikTok, I don't think that's even close to enough. I think what he's been doing has been really insane for a long time. Everybody that I talk to that's trained with that guy, say he's fucking superhuman with his cardio. And his work ethic is through the roof, man. When DC went to see him the day after he won the title, he was out running. DC went to his house. And he's filming. But DC's filming is garage, that is garage gym set up. And he's like, this motherfucker is out running. He's out running the day after winning the world title and a spectacular five round performance We show super human cardio like super human pressure There's a few guys like that.

1:37:55Yeah, it's fascinating to look at Just that level the elite elite elite level and to see the commonalities between them for me as someone who loves studying the mind And it's like what is different about these guys? And then is there anything you could do to catch up or they just built different? Are there's wiring away did you see the Anthony Hernandez Roman Deliz say fight this weekend? No You got to see that fight you have to see that fight Anthony Hernandez is a fucking problem. He's a fucking real problem. He doesn't get tired man He pushes an insane pace and he doesn't get tired. He melts dudes.

1:38:35He just melts them You know, he does stuff where you just go like, what, how are you pushing this kind of pace? It's like a middleweight version. Someone said it in the comments too, that Marab was in Romans corner, because they're both from Georgia. And he's like, in Marab is in the corner why Roman fights the middleweight version of Marab, because it really was like that. Fluffy Hernandez is wild, dude. It's like whatever he's doing in his training or whether he just has a, like some people like, came to Alaska has had a natural cardio gift. I don't know what it is, but it's insane. He submitted a Dolfo Vieira multiple time world you just, I'm just exhausted to fuck out of him and guillotine them, which is just nuts to watch that guy tap.

1:39:19Do you know who he is? No, I never boxing way more than UFC. So I don't know. Vieira is built like a superhero. Like he doesn't even look like a real human. He looks like a cartoonish CGI version of what an elite MMA athlete looks like. just chiseled. And fluffy doesn't look like that. Covered in tattoos, you know, looks athletic, you know, looks tough, but Redolfo Vieira is a, that's him. Oh, yeah. Bob row. You know those photos of like what your girlfriend tells you not to worry about. Dead what that one where he's got his sleeves down and pie his elbows in the lower, yeah, that one right there.

1:39:58Brow. Yeah. What are you talking about? And I don't think Fuffy was even a black belt. I think Fuffy was a brown belt at the time. I wanna be correct about that. He's a black belt now, right? Anthony Hernandez, MMA. I think he's a black belt. But to submit that guy was just one of the, like if you had a, if you had a bet in Vegas, you know? Like if you were on Draft Kings sportsbook and you bet, Fluffy Hernandez to submit Redolfo Viera. You bet. You bet. I'm like him like 25 to one odds. Brown belt. He's still a Brown belt. He's still a Brown belt in Jiu Jitsu. He submitted a multiple time world champion just by melting him, just melting him.

1:40:43I'd love for you to talk to that guy. Find out what the fuck he's made out of. I'd love to. I'd love to hit me out, bro. He's different, man. There's certain dudes that are just different. You know, like what Goggins likes to call uncommon amongst uncommon men. That dude's uncommon. If I was a middleweight, I'd be like, closely watching that guy like, Jesus Christ. Because he's also like every fight he keeps getting better. And it's just a storm that starts from the first minute of the first round and never stops. You never get to break. There's no breaths. He's constantly on you. He takes a great shot.

1:41:1752 takedowns, eight fight wins, three, six finishes. is, bro, that guy. There's guys that just emerge from groups of super talented contenders where you just go, holy shit. And that's one of them. That's awesome. Yeah. I've been like that from, I gotta go back and watch the fight. So for a guy like you that's a mental coach, I always wonder, I'd like to talk to that guy and maybe you can pass some of that on to everybody else. What is he doing? How is he just training harder than everybody else? Is he just, is his mindset? Is he just a dog and just does not give a fuck? Cause it seems like there's a lot of that there too.

1:41:57He's just mentally super strong and super aggressive. That's what I love to do. I give these guys these prompts and I just audit and I pull out all their beliefs. And it's super interesting to hear what beliefs create a lead performer and just hearing all the ones that are making them successful and all the ones that are causing them problems. When you hear what's really crazy? Dude smokes a ton of weed. Ton of weed. Like sugar -shown amount is like, I'm gonna quit the weed. This dude's like, give me all your weed. When I was doing a lot of boxing, I was smoking a ton of weed. I was smoking weed every single day.

1:42:33And I don't anymore, but at the time, I was like, I had to get surgery on my nose because I had busted up so many times. Yeah, I got that surgery. Yeah. Oh my God, isn't it nice when you get it done though? I fell down a flight of stairs when I was five. So I've never had a good nose. My nose has been fucks since I was a little kid. So I never could breathe out of my nose. And then years of getting punched and kicked and getting headplotted and grumbling. So I had it. I was going to the doctor because I was still sparring during COVID and I was going to the doctor and there just telling me, oh, I think you have COVID.

1:43:04But they told me, they're like, oh, I think you just have stuffiness. We're gonna have you test it from COVID, like two different times. And eventually I just got X -rays. and I'm like, oh, your nose is destroyed. Yeah. But it happens like an ear, right? You know how the ears get cauliflower? You get that same kind of buildup of calcium deposits inside your nose. Just close it off. They have to carve it out. Yeah. Every time it looks like when they get the chunks and they lay it out for you, after they take it out. They took a piece from my ear. They took the ear cartilage to rebuild your nose.

1:43:31The funniest thing is, so I spent a lot of time in Columbia and I went down there for the surgery. And you went to Columbia for ear to nose surgery? Oh, I do everything all myself in clinic. I got laced at guy searching Columbia. Jesus, bro Yeah, they invented it in Bobertsaw Columbia. Did it really they did no shit? Yeah, a medical stuff is amazing They're honestly like this is gonna sound funny But when I go there it almost makes the US feel like a thoroughbred country That's crazy just cuz it's so inexpensive the doctors are good the facilities great anyhow So I go get the surgery I come out of it and missing the back of my ear.

1:44:04They didn't understand that part Why didn't they do the rib usually they did rib cartilage right they said they might do the rib But I don't know if I can change the mind and went with your ear. I guess they were with your ear look like now. I'm gonna show it to you. Show me. Okay, you got a missing chunk, son. Whoa. Yeah, now it lays kind of flat. Oh, that's crazy. Not that bad. Not bad. Not bad. But you don't grapple so you don't have cauliflower. That would get weird. Because there would be no structure. So it'd like super droop like a like a like a Labrador. What do you think? I haven't gotten into Gisoo just because I was told by some of my friends that like I would I could re -break my nose just by the pressure of people like leaning on and all the time.

1:44:43I just don't want to get to surgery again. When I got my surgery I was addicted fully addicted to Jiu -Jitsu so I waited six weeks and I started rolling again. And how has your nose been? It's fine but I protected it and I told everybody that I was rolling with him and I just got no surgery so please don't like cross face me if you're trying to get a rear naked choke or something like that. You know like there's certain guys that are real mean and they get they get your back and they'll fucking do this with your nose to get you to chin up. They'll go forearm blade right into the nose, which I understand for competition, but for the gym, the problem is like, you can really break a guy's nose and then fuck him up for the rest of his life until he gets it fixed.

1:45:19What about now when you train? Like is it a concern? I haven't been training in a long time. I haven't been training it over a year. No rolling it all over a year. But it's not a concern. It works great. It's fine. If I got it broken and it was a problem, I definitely 100 % get it fixed again. The benefits of being able to breathe out of your nose, and I've talked to a ton of fighters about this. Some of them are like, I'll wait till after I'm done fighting, but Drekas Duplacé, who's defending his title this weekend, Drickas, he started his career with a fucked up nose in the UFC, and it really affected his cardio.

1:45:50His mouth was wide open. He got it fixed, and there was like this immediate bump in performance. I mean, immediate. For sure, he was getting better along the way, and for sure, he was figuring out how to tightening up, up, tighten up his techniques and he's just an animal, right? But on top of that, having that nose fixed was a significant difference. He didn't have to have his mouth open all the time. Does the ideal way to breathe if you can just breathe your nose, all right? It limits your cardio in a significant way. I noticed like a 10 % bump in cardio is what it felt like to me. Like I could feel the difference in being able to breathe out of my nose.

1:46:22And also to be able to bite down on your mouthpiece, like if you're really clamping down on something and you could still breathe perfectly. That was huge. because before, it has to squeeze while your mouth is open. That's terrible. If you wanna squeeze on something, you wanna be like, this, you wanna feel like fucking, and you can't bite down. They've done studies on that, right? People lifting stuff with certain mouth pieces in, and certain mouth pieces actually increase their strength. Power lift is used them, right? Yeah, I think they do it for sure also to not break your teeth because I went to a dentist once and the dentist was like, you're like, micro fractures on all your teeth.

1:47:03Do you like, do you lift weights? And I go, yeah, you're like, you're clenching your teeth all the time. Oh yeah. So I stopped doing that so much. And I definitely started, I worked out with a mouthpiece for a long time, like lifting. But I think there's a certain mouthpiece that they designed that sets your jaw in a certain way that it actually enhances your strength. There's like some sort of a connection between like having your job perfectly aligned and clamping down on this mouthpiece that allows you to actually lift more weight. Find out if that's true because I know that that was definitely a marketing claim for this mouthpiece thing but I just don't remember much of it but I remember like looking into it years ago.

1:47:43It was like a weird mouthpiece with like the bottom had like a whole cut into it so you could really. I think I heard something about that. I know grunting is supposed to help you lift more weights. That makes sense. That's why they keep it out of that. I think fitness place to get mad at you. Is that the planet fitness? I just made a fitness, yeah. I did see a study. I was looking at all these studies and increased strength performance. When I was studying all this stuff, and I was like, grunting. That's so crazy that if you lift weights there, too loud, they sound an alarm, and they kick you out.

1:48:07Like, we tried to do the lung alarm. The lung alarm. That's funny. It's safe for those people who want to be there. It's a nice safe environment. Yeah, I get it, but also, don't you want to be inspired by someone who's working out really hard? Like, if I go to the gym and there's a guy there, like whoa that guy's there. And he wants that guy to do some crazy routine. Like, as long as he's nice, like what do you care if he's grunting? But that's kind of a society, right? We get the padded walls in many places for people. Yeah, I guess it intimidates people. It scares them and then maybe people, what is this, Jimmy?

1:48:39The mouthpiece, the air is fun. Yeah, that's it. I don't know if it's proven. Yeah, I don't know if it's proven either. But is this official mouthpiece of the world's strongest man? It's patented. Boosting muscular force and power. Huh. It's patented. So how does it work? Does it say how it works? I was looking, I didn't see any... I don't know. So what it says. The thing is, if you believe it works, it probably works. Yeah, I don't know how it works. Designed to absorb clenching while guiding optimal tongue positioning during high stress exertion. Hmm. I don't know. But being able to breathe out, you know, is just giant kids.

1:49:20So if you don't have that, if you've got that problem, get it fixed. What do you think about weed and fighting? Because I'm going to ask you a couple of different questions. When I was living in L .A., I knew this neuroscientist, and we ran like a little fun study where I was a big stoner. So he had me stop smoking weed for two weeks, I think it was. He tested me, did all these brain tests with me, and then he tested me two weeks afterwards. And I play football at box, right? So a lot of hits to the head. Right. And he said that without weed, he showed like, it showed that I had a fair amount of like brain damage.

1:49:56Like my brain wasn't functioning. What when I smoked weed went back in there, he said there was some kind of like neuroprotective effect where like my brain was like registering as more healthy. Well, isn't part of the problem CTE and any kind of brain issue in general, part of the problem is inflammation, right? Isn't it? That's one of the things that they say, like, changing your gut bacteria has an effect on mood. You know, there are a lot of people that have like real gut problems. Are you going to need decreases in inflammation in the brain? Yeah, well, we certainly increases, decreases rather inflammation.

1:50:31And that's why people use it for pain management. People with sore backs and, yeah. People going through chemotherapy, it also improves your appetite for people going through chemo because it's hard for them to eat. But we most certainly can help with pain management, with some kinds of pain. I know some people that have tried it for like debilitating pain and it just doesn't do a damn thing. It just makes them almost more aware of it. But it's variable, man, because I was just, Jamie, who's the guy who killed Ben Laden? You know that Navy SEAL guy who killed Ben Laden? He's on Instagram. Right, but let's say his full name out of respect.

1:51:15I believe it's Robert. Well, how about look it up? He can't believe it. And find his Instagram because he has something to do with the cannabis business. And like, the sky's just super bad ass tip of the spear. Special forces operator, right? And there he is, Robert O 'Neil. Go to his, see if you can find his Instagram. Yeah. What does it say? He's helped. That's him. It says, uh, set to pedal pot in New York City and said it helps get rid of the noise. He's also an advocate for, um, I became, he's done the I began, uh, I think multiple times. But go, click on, go to his Instagram page, Jamie.

1:51:57If you could, uh, I forget it. It's like Mr. Who Y 'all or something like that. Um, but he said that it helps him go to sleep at night, help some relax and go to sleep but night. Like, there's scroll down, go back to the grid and scroll down. There's him in an actual pot farm, like his own pot farm in there, like where they grow all the stuff that he sells. That makes sense, because it has that disassociative effect, right? And so it's easier maybe to get out of your head. But it flies in the face of this very public narrative, which is Pottas for lazy people, Pottas for losers. Pott's gonna rot your brain.

1:52:40Pott's gonna make you stink. Pott's gonna make you an idiot. Can't find it? Yeah. I don't know where it is. This is his company's thing. I'll find it a second. Maybe that's the far right one with his hands outstretched like Jesus. That's the one him talking about I began and I looked at that. Mekuya on Instagram. What a guy like that a smoking weed. You got to throw it out the window. Well, all your preconceived, it's like, everybody is biologically different. And for some people, alcohol just fucks them up. For some people, marijuana is a no -go. It's not good. They freak out. Also, when you're a dog, you know, like we're dogs.

1:53:20We like to get after it. We like to work out. We like to do things like, I almost like when I was smoking weed every day to be the guy who could be super fit, to be training boxing every day and like, to be achieving my business. and it's smoke weed every day. I kind of took this weird pride in it for some time as well. Bro, one of my favorite things to do was to smoke weed and hit the bag. Oh, he's so meditative. Yeah, man, you also... Foreign goes out the window a little bit. No, it doesn't. For me, it's the opposite. For me, I feel everything. Like, for me, I feel... Maybe I'm just judging myself.

1:53:50The timing more when I'm hitting things, like it feels more coordinated. Like when I'm throwing a kick, it just won't. Like I feel the time to like accelerate the time to get the hips into it at all a more sensitive It feels better like you you tune into it. It makes my pool game 100 % better really. Oh 100 % It's it's like steroids for pool But I'll say here you on the podcast. We've done it before like you stay dialed in to a degree like maybe you don't have the same recall That's right, but that's that's the point that it that I was making earlier. It's different for everybody It's not like I am different than other people.

1:54:26There's people that don't think the way I think. They don't have life experiences that I have. They don't have the ability to manage like the weirdness that comes with weed, which the paranoia I like, I genuinely like. You kind of need, do you like that voice? It's kind of a question you're literally like. Don't get too big for your bridges. Yeah, I like it. I like being scared. I think it's good for you. As long as you use it wisely, Like, you take that weirdness like, oh, maybe I should go give him a call and explain myself better. Maybe I should reach out. Maybe I should do this. Maybe I should do that.

1:54:59Maybe I should like make it easier for these people. Maybe I should, you know, it makes me like very considerate. And I think it's a really potent tool for managing your state of mind. But that's just for me. I don't know how your mind works. I could only be pretending, right? Like we're all on a different mind journey too, right? If you're a person who was beaten by their parents and you were fucking mugged and then this happened to you and that happened to you and you got fucked over at work and then here you are there. Like that's very different than a person who's had a lot of success and been real lucky and got to a point and has a healthy mindset.

1:55:41Maybe it's more nostalgic. He kind of smoke what you're thinking about. it gives you time to separate a little bit from being in the grind versus. Well, my point is, if you're all fucked up, maybe pot's not for you. Right? If you're a real mess and you're barely hanging on to regular life, maybe freaking yourself out with potent THC is not the way to go. Especially these days. Yeah, but I'm getting at it is like maybe as your journey progresses and you get healthy and you get more confident and strong and more successful, maybe then. Yes. Maybe not even then. Maybe that's not your thing. You have to be honest about what's your thing.

1:56:16You have to find the problem with things being illegal is you don't have that opportunity. And then you have people that had bad personal experiences with it and they're like, pot makes you stink, pot makes you a dummy. Maybe it does that for you. Okay, but it doesn't do that for me. For me, it makes me nicer to my friends. It makes me want to pet my dog. It makes me want to chill out. It makes me want to have fun with my friends. It makes me want to laugh. It doesn't make me stink. Well, that probably makes me stink. But it doesn't make me any dumber. That's for sure. And it makes me more inquisitive.

1:56:50It makes me more interested in, for sure, subjects that I have no understanding of that are fascinating, like cosmology. There's nothing like getting high and watching a space documentary, just to try to put it into perspective, like what it is we're living in, what is the reality of the physical universe and it's majesty that's above your head every day. Like that is, when you're high, you're like, how am I not paying attention to this? This is really a crazy thing that this is probably the most profound experience that a person could ever have in their lives, like being on a planet going through space and we completely take it for granted.

1:57:29I think to a degree, it's good to have some kind of cadence where you have something that allows you to kind of step back from yourself. Yeah, I think it's good. It could be some mushrooms. It could be just meditative breathing exercises. Yoga class, doing something or running. I think that's a lot of the high of running. And people really exert themselves. You're just thinking about your breath. You're just getting after it, you're five, six miles in. And when you're done, you're like, whoa. That runner's high is 100 % real. 100 % real. And that's how they're getting it. And that's how they're separating themselves.

1:58:10And I think a person who can regularly run on a regular basis, miles and miles, miles, that's a special person. That's a very unusual person. That's a person of will, you know? A person who just at any time, you can just tag him, let's go run and they can run like, that's what Goggins and Cam Haines do to each other, these fucking psychopaths. Cam Haines calls Goggins and say, hey, I'm in Vegas, let's go running. And so Goggins calls out a spot check. Like if you have a true friend, he spots checks you. Those motherfuckers ran a marathon in the streets of Las Vegas. They ran 26 miles, just because.

1:58:45Yeah, it's like a six -minute mile pace. Like bananas, just bananas. Like I got to know where. Like you didn't know I was coming. I call you, let's go, let's go running. Let's see what's up. And two fucking complete total psychopaths run in 26 miles in the Las Vegas heat. Nuts. Yeah. So there's people like that out there that are just different and their journey to be different is taking a long time to get to where they are right now. What are your beliefs around? Because I have mine just from my experience. What are your beliefs somewhere they were before they were born? Do you think that this is, they have something in them because of a previous life?

1:59:26Oh, I don't know. That's a good question. If previous lives were proven to be true, which right now they're not, it's like just an idea, because you can't know, how could you know? But a lot of people and a lot of religions and a lot of different cultures have believed in the reincarnation. But there's actually, I think, what university? Maybe University of Virginia, there's a whole department that's studying people who've had these like near -death experiences that are going back and talking about previous lives. It's an interesting question, but there's no evidence, right? There's no data. Jamie, I don't know if you've seen this or heard of it.

2:00:00Well, I mean, even if these people have stories, unless they have stories that match up with historical facts. Well, I think it is oftentimes, I think it's like, you have like some kids who are just telling you about someone else's life and they should not know it, but they like, I have heard those stories. But I don't know if those are real, because one of the problems is people bullshit, and they make things out to be a little bit more profound than they are, so it makes for a better story. and if you're a true believer, maybe even juice up the results a little bit, it's hard to know. But I'm not opposed to the idea of reincarnation.

2:00:33And I'm not opposed to the idea that some people are just special. Because it seems like that's real. It seems like there's certain people that just emerge and there's just something about them and it's not necessarily just the hard work. You know, it's not necessarily just the mindset. There's something going on. I like the framework of it of thinking about this infinite game, you know, because then someone It's like, well, why am I going to do this work? Like, this sounds like a lot of work, all this self -interspection. It's like, to understand that, like, you're playing this infinite game.

2:01:00And if you deal with your shit now, then your life is going to be more peaceful and have more flow in the future. If you don't deal with it, this is just, you know, you're just kicking the ball down the road. Yeah, well, that's true. At least it is true in this life, and I don't know. I think it could be true in your next one as well. If you have a next one, I mean, that's the thing. It's like, maybe it's not as simple as that. But we're just assuming every time we wake up, that we're in the same timeline. But just the idea of going to sleep is really kooky. It's really kooky. You know, you just, you decide to close your eyes every night and you just disconnect from physical reality for hours at a time and it's necessary.

2:01:39And we all just take it from random. Where do we go? Oh, normal. I don't know where we go, but I go to a lot of zombies. Do you really? Oh yeah, I have a lot of zombie dreams. I have a lot of last night I had a great zombie apocalypse dream. We need a dream interpreter in here Yeah, well, I don't think I have a whole lot of confidence in the human race keeping it together You know at the very best I'm like 60 40 plus that we're gonna figure it out But that 40 % lifetime or just yeah like maybe this week It's all dependent upon what kind of disaster takes place You know, it's all dependent upon what kind of shit goes down.

2:02:16And when you look historically, shit has always gone down when people thought shit could never go down. And that's us right now. And that's why zombie movies work. Yeah. And that's why they're making them way, infiltrating into your brain. Yeah, I started watching 28 years later, Jim. Oh, yeah, that'll do it. I shut that bitch off. I was about to go to bed. I was like, it was like eight o 'clock at night. I'm like, let me watch this. I'm like, no, no, no. I figured it out 10, 15 minutes in Where they I don't want to say what happens. I don't want spoil you to watch some Barney after that But right away.

2:02:44I was like, okay, this is one where I'm gonna have to do hours before I go to sleep because Them zombie dreams even watching like the housey dragon a game thrown like some gruesome Before bed. Yeah, like real hardcore like realistic violence is rough Yeah, before you go to sleep I mean just what I know about the mind how subconscious works like it's just obvious every time I go to bed I'm like you shouldn't have done that for sure for sure. Here's what's interesting though I can watch brutal fights and sleep like a baby. That seems weird. That's weird because that's real violence, right? The stuff that I'm seeing in the movies, I know is horseshit.

2:03:19Yeah. For some reason it feels more controlled. I don't know. I think I'm just used to it, honestly. I think it's like everything else. I think, you know, there's a lot of doctors that they'll tell you if they're being honest with you that there comes a time when people die that it doesn't affect them to say anymore. You know, they're so used to people dying, especially like emergency room doctors dealing with like traumatic injuries and do you get accustomed to people dying? I think it's also the idea of like evil though. You know if you're watching something you're seeing evil take place. For me when I watch MMA I'm like I know these guys like I see I love these guys you know I've never met I've never worked with a guy who I don't love they all have great hearts and like I feel this genuine like goodness like I haven't met I don't know, I don't know.

2:04:06But when I see it, I don't see evil. There's a lot of really, really, really good guys and good women that fight in MMA. And it's because of what we talked about before. They've gone through something insanely difficult. They're a very special person. Even people that you don't think are great people. Like Sean Strickland, super controversial. Sean Strickland is a fucking great guy. If you get him alone, you talk to him. He's a great guy. He's super smart, super disciplined, saved up a ton of money. He was talking the other day about he's got like four million bucks saved. Super smart man. Yeah, so he could retire at any moment, live a simple life and never work again.

2:04:44But he's outrageous. He's outrageous, he says wild shit. But it's also, what do you expect from the way that guy grew up? He didn't grow up the way you grew up. He's got some under -resolved trauma. 100%. I don't know. This is something I think some fighters think about. It's like, if I get rid of my trauma, am I going to be weaker? You know, do I need this? I don't believe they do. That's been my experience. Yeah, I don't think they do either. But then again, some fighters, they go and do ayahuasca and they come back and they're not. Kumbaya. Yeah, they don't want to fight anymore. They say that happened to Deonte.

2:05:16Deonte Wilder went and did ayahuasca and he came back. He's just a little too peaceful. It's hard to say though, because - Was that before or after the Tyson Fury fight? After. So that's the problem. It's like we might be drawing a force of fake correlation here because those types of purifieds were fucking brutal Yeah, they were brutal. I feel like speaking of belief right here an identity that was bulletproof that was Unbreakable and I watch all the excuses Yeah, don't they know offense. Yeah, no offense. But his excuses were kind of crazy Yeah, I think there's a my product of like he believes he was unbeatable So he had to come up with something to tell the story about how he lost For himself it wasn't you I don't even think it was malicious I think he was trying to cope with what is this reality now.

2:05:58Yeah. Well, what he was was a spectacular puncher who wasn't a real fluid and movement -based boxer, right? He wasn't a guy like Usik, right? Usik is the most fluid movement -based boxer the heavyweight division has seen since Muhammad Ali, right? So what he was was what Teddy Atlas calls the eraser. Like all the mistakes he made, it was one right hand. and they were erased. That he's the most spectacular one -punch knockout artist in the history of his sport, I think. I mean, his powers, and not a big guy, not in comparison. Who fought Tyson Fury the first time he told me he was 209. That's crazy.

2:06:37And flatlined him in like, what, the 11th round? Oh, the 12th, right? Drop him in the 12th. Then we can minute after. But that 12th round changed the course of the rematches because Tyson Fury realized that if he goes after Deontan, he gets him on his back foot, he doesn't fight as well. And so then he figured it out and he just took it to him and then he took it to him in the second fight and took it to him in the third fight But yeah, it's hard when you hear a guy like that make excuses But you understand you do more than anybody the destruction of the belief system and how difficult it is for fighters to manage that Yeah, but if you do the work to rebuild it afterwards, you're stronger Right, but you have to do the work right and for a lot of guys again They don't totally know where to start like say if they have a camp and inside their camp They have a trainer, they have the strength and conditioning guy, they have different coaches for different aspects of their whatever they're doing, whether it's a stretch coach or a boxing coach or whatever it is.

2:07:30But they don't have a mental guy. You know? They don't have someone who works with you and really makes sure that your mind has the tools to manage it itself out of there and they don't know where to start. Like, if you're a guy and you're training, you know, any contender and then he gets knocked and he comes back from that knockout and you're rebuilding him, but he's got all these confidence issues now. Where do you even look? Like I got to help this guy get back on track mentally, get him back to where he was before, look he got caught, it happens, but he's still an amazing boxer and he's just got to recover from this and he can still get back on the horse and still be a world champion.

2:08:05But where do they even start? If they don't know you, where do they start? Well I think they start by going through the process just feeling into it and it's always diving into where you don't want to go, right? It's okay. What are the insecurities coming up now? Where are the fears coming up? Where are the doubts? Usually we try to like stay in our head and escape that. It's about going into it, feeling, feeling, feeling into it. And then seeing what comes up there and even like writing it down and just bringing it into awareness. Going to you have awareness of it, then you can actually do something about it.

2:08:34Then you can manage it. Yes. Yeah. So this book, how long does it take you to write it? Ah, like six months. The success code. What was the year but with the high performance playbook for Eliminating mental barriers and scaling your career relationships and health So did you think about like different approaches to like different kinds of occupations and different kinds of ways people are Living their life and how it applies so the first half of the book is my story It's kind of like okay. I'm trying to build rapport. So I tell people this is how I learned all this stuff This is how work for me these are my client stories So by the end of the first part, you either like this guy's full of shit or I believe you, right?

2:09:16And then the playbook starts and it is something that anyone can use because it's simple stuff like it starts with like Great the different areas your life from one to ten, right? And then we're looking at closing the gap in each area if you're like my career is at four. I want it to be at a ten Okay, let's get the low hanging fruit of like water some of the things you need to stop doing the vodka all right the vodka Let's cut that out, right? three glasses in the morning. Yeah. Yeah. And just going through that that auditing system of understanding like what's holding you back or needing more conscious at key on key inches about.

2:09:47And then I start getting into the training for the mind later on. Do this system, this writing this stuff down and having these numbers? Is this something that you invented? Is this something you learned? Yeah. Something I invented. Yeah. Yeah. So you just, the thought of you come to that conclusion that that's how you should do it. Works. Yeah. Discworks. works for you, works for clients. So when you first started doing it, was it sort of like, who, what's the best way to mentally manage this situation for this person? Just trying to solve their problems. That's all I'm trying to do. Just being really creative with my problem solving.

2:10:22And so over the years, I just picked up better tools. I've gotten better at practicing things to be able to solve problems better. I wanted to be full -time at this at 20 years old. Well, it wasn't gonna happen. I just didn't have it the experience and didn't have enough tools. That's so young to want to help other people. You know? Well, most people at 22 are trying to help themselves. Yeah, it just, it worked for me so much. And it transformed my life so much that I was like, well, this is what I'm supposed to do. I want to help other people with this. Interesting. So how did it transform your life?

2:10:51Like, what were the big benefits? What would it begin? I would say it started just with coming back the next season and playing football. I went from riding the bench to becoming a starter to being one of the best players on our team. So it helped me with football first. I was like, all right, cool. That helped. Then I started to get actually confidence from being able to help other people, which I didn't have before. I was never something, because football, I was like, okay, I wasn't great at it. But once I learned the skill, I actually started to build confidence and just learned to manage my own state, my anxiety, my performance anxiety, and just starting to feel confidence.

2:11:26So for the first 10 years or so about knowing about this, for more like nine years, I was mostly using more elementary meditation techniques, some hypnosis, some NLP. It wasn't until, I'd say about seven years ago, that I started going deep into the beliefs and that transformed my life in a major way. One thing I did recently was I had hypothyroidism and I was able to completely heal that naturally. How did you do that? Change in all the underwriting beliefs and then everything, right? Everything I do with any client is the same thing I do for me. It's holistic. So of course I went through a huge gut cleanse, right?

2:12:04Because a gut is everything. It's the foundation. So They're a lot of fasting, elimination diet, cutting out almost all foods except for a few boiled chicken, bullcares, coconut oil, started slowly noticing how I felt as I started to Increase the portion and start to bring other foods in. I did a red light therapy. There's some good red light therapy Research out there for the thyroid if you just put it on that is a study they showed that people were able to cut their medication in half just by using the the infrared light therapy. Yeah. It's good for a ton of things, great for the gut. So I just started synchronous, you know, I met this lady on the beach in Miami Beach who studies of stuff, red light therapy specifically for the gut.

2:12:44And I was like, what about the thyroid? And she's like, yeah, of course, it'll help. It's light. Light heals everything. So I just started researching it. So it was all, I did a lot of things. I cut out caffeine this year. That was a big thing that I don't think caffeine creates hypothyroidism. But But for me, when I turned on that gene, epigenetics, I turned on the gene for I didn't have to have this, but my mom has it, my brother has it. So I had the gene and I put it on through stress through excessive caffeine and just a very stressful life in my mid -20s. So the way it turned off was turn off that things are associated with that stress response.

2:13:17So pulling out the caffeine just put me more in the peristopathetic nervous system, a lot of me to relax more. and then yeah, all this stuff and just noticing the fears come up when I pull away the things I like, right, the comfort of the food, the comfort of the caffeine, just all my things that I like, all the comfort and just seeing with the fears that came out through that and just recoding it, recoding it. And this is going to sound very woo -woo, but I was taking the medication because you know, if you ask a doctor, they tell you you have to take this medication for the rest of your life.

2:13:46And they get mad that you even ask about what an I'll turn to this. Like I've had doctors be like, be grateful. You just have to take a pill, like get out of here. But there was actually experience I had two years ago where a doctor wouldn't give me my medication, even though my blood didn't change. He said, oh, you're gonna have to come back in here every three months. I want to monitor it. He tried to put me on like subscription plan to pay more money just to keep getting it. And it was like flip something and he was like, I'm not doing this anymore. Wow. I'm gonna find a way to get off this medication.

2:14:14It just, this is something that RFK Juniors trying to stop his financial incentives. the gatekeeper of this medication. Yeah, the financial incentives to subscribe things and then gatekeeping, whether or not you can get useful medications, kind of crazy. Yeah. Well, yeah. So I just had, I did all these things very holistically, right? Mm -hmm. Doing sawdum, doing all these things. And then just feeling into my body one day, it was just like intuition just told me, it was like, hey, you're done. You don't need any more. Wow. And so what I did, of course, I asked CHAT GPT. I was like, I can't just stop taking it.

2:14:51And it would have charged you, BG. It said, take one day on, one day off. I did that by the third day of taking it again. My body rejected it. I felt terrible. I felt like a depletion of energy. It's just three days. The third day of not taking it. What's the third day of taking it? Wow. So I took it. I didn't take it. And the day I took it again, my body rejected it. And I was like, I get it. I'm done. And I haven't touched the sense. That's crazy. But I think there's a lot of things like that. Well, I wonder if that study that shows that visualization increases physical strength. Like I really wonder if you have the ability to accentuate healing, if you just get an injury and the injury is going to heal, but if concentrating on that injury helps it heal more.

2:15:36Oh. But how many people actually do that, right? How many people actually really visualize something? Well, even just the placebo effect of thinking you got it. So there's a study I think is done on ACL surgeries, could be meniscus, it was one of these knee surgeries where they took two groups, they give one group, the surgery, the other group, they just cut their knee open and then sewed it right back up, same results over whatever the period time was. Wait, it can't be ACL surgery. Because ACLs are stabilizing ligament. It was one of these knee surgeries. Yeah. And they had the same results.

2:16:10That doesn't make sense. That seems a little wacky. Because ACLs are that's a that's the maybe a center that keeps it from moving side to side and up and down Maybe is meniscus maybe that makes more sense Oh, yeah, there's a lot of meniscus surgeries are rough because when they take it out then you have this hole there You have like a gap missing depending on how much you take out and some guys get a bunch of their meniscus taken Guys even get like artificial meniscus put in or don't are meniscus You know But I mean was that book? I think visualization is a factor and belief. Yeah. If you, you're not gonna regrow your ACL though with your brain.

2:16:48No. I mean, it's not connected, get that shift fixed. But, because I know a lot of guys who didn't and then eventually they did, I know a lot of guys who got their ACL blown out and they just tried to rehab it, but it kept grinding, so they're always, it's always slipping out. They're always tearing their meniscus more. And it's like, fuck dude, just get it fixed. Get it fixed. Six months later, you'll be back on the mat. Get it fixed. Get it fixed. Yeah. Get your ACL fixed. Yeah, and it's wild though. I mean, if you start going down this rabbit hole of seeing like how many placebo studies have been done, that's why it's so hard to find drugs that actually work.

2:17:19Because it's weird. I think this is what I'm saying. Okay. What does it say? 180 patients, osteoarthritis and knee surgery. We're randomly assigned to receive arthroscopic... The bridesmaid. The bridesmaid? Yeah. Our arthroscopic lavage or placebo surgery. Patients in a placebo group receive skin incisions under it, a similar deep bridesmaid without insertion of the arthroscope, patients and assessors of the outcome were blinded to the treatment group, assignment, outcomes were assessed. At multiple points over a 24 month period with the use of five self reported scores, three on scales for pain and two on scales for function, and one objective test of walking and stair climbing, a total of 165 patients completed the trial results.

2:18:06At no point did either of the intervention groups to report less pain or better function than the placebo group. Interesting. But this is just like, I always wonder like, how bad was their injury? What are we talking about? How many people were there? How many people were in this group? 165 patients. Conclusions in this controlled trial involving patients with osteoarthritis of the knee, the outcomes after orthoscopic lavage or orthoscopic like, debridement were no better than those after a placebo procedure. That's kind of nuts, man. And I think like, it's weird how we talk with the placebo that way.

2:18:46It's kind of like diminishing. It's like, yeah, look, it didn't work, but that's not what happened. The people believed they got the surgery. Right, that's the fucked up part about placebo effects. It's measurable. Like, the benefits are measurable. Like, those people did, they did heal. They did have less pain. Yeah, the question is like, would they have healed anyway without it? I don't know. Or is it because they believe that they were healed? That it relax them and then they were thinking, okay, it's healing now. I got the surgery. It's on the right track. It's getting better now. And maybe if they have that mindset, I think I figure out a way to make that mindset without the surgery, they could just do it.

2:19:21Yeah, belief. Belief. All right, dude. The success code. Did you have an audible or an audio version of this? It's on Spotify as audible. Did you read it? I did read it. Nice. I love what all my dirt and stuff and a bunch of people Sing your praises in the back of the book and you can look up my name because I rebranded it and I have in chains name on Spotify, so just look at brand -eps and you'll find the book. What do you mean you rebranded the book? Yeah, I had you called on Spotify program to fail. Okay. We'll let people know. Yeah, so they get program to fail on audible Okay, success code on all right, beautiful.

2:19:57Thank you brother. It was fun. Thank you. All right. Bye, buddy