#2368 - Michael Button

29:01It's a very weird assumption and Did you ever reading a Christopher? Christopher Dunn's work. I know a bit I haven't read his book I know a bit about it. It's interesting. I mean he's like a serious guy, isn't he? He's like an engineer exactly and he has quite serious there is the he thinks it's a power plant yeah which would be crazy wouldn't especially if you you add into that the Graham Hancock's ideas and some of these other people's ideas that perhaps some of these structures are far older with a kind of Orion correlation and the things also the fact that the deeper you go into the sand the more sophisticated the building techniques are yeah that I think it's weird, like larger stones, like what happened?

29:46The whole of like ancient Egypt and the Sahara Desert in general just doesn't make sense to me because when you look at the Sahara Desert and the fact that it was green for 9 ,000 years and then it stopped being green at precisely the time that we're told ancient Egypt emerged, that doesn't make sense. That defies how civilization works. Why would a civilization only emerge after the climate got worse? That doesn't make sense at all. And so little research done and sub -Saharan Africa where they've actually gone into the ground and done large scale research of these immense areas. Nothing, nothing.

30:22The Sahara Desert is vast and obviously covered in sand and extremely hot, extremely difficult to survey politically unstable. And there's basically been no archaeological work done across the whole. And the Sahara Desert is massive. It's like the whole of North Africa, right? Down to the, I mean, it's massive. and you could fit the United States in there. You could fit anything in there, like a whole, like, preceding civilization for 9 ,000 years, leading up to ancient Egypt. Like, it's the perfect place. It's right by Mesopotamia. It's right by Egypt. And yet we have this blank spot for the 9 ,000 years before the development of civilization, which is kind of also the gap between, I mean, it's a little bit less than this, but the gap between Quebec and Tepay and the birth of civilization.

31:01We have this huge area which would have been perfect for civilization, full of rivers, lakes, grasslands, perfect climate, and it's just missing. Also abundant resources where they could establish a stable civilization because they had so much food and they weren't being attacked so they could kind of set up shop and figure some things out. Yeah. Over a long period of time. Yeah. So my theory is that things were happening in the Sahara Desert when it was green, in the green Sahara, for those 9 ,000 years. And then because it was really quick, that's what I don't think people realize is that when the Sahara Desert turned from green lush paradise, whatever you want to call it, to a desert.

31:42It was like a few centuries. It's called rapid desertification and it flipped, not overnight, more obviously, but in a few centuries compared to 9 ,000 years, it's a rapid change. And for any kind of culture that was living there, you wouldn't have noticed it straight away, but in 50 years you'd be like, fuck, it's getting a bit hot here. I mean, like shit's going on. And then some, I think, maybe people migrated to the last stretch of green that was still, available to them, which was the Nile River. And then the survivors or the migratory populations developed around the Nile River and using the kind of experience and knowledge that they had from their lives and the history of their cultures in the Green Sahara period, that is what led to ancient Egypt.

32:23I mean, that's just a very good thing. But it's also just an assumption that ancient Egypt didn't exist alongside that, or even previous to that, which is also possible. especially when you consider what Robert Chalk thinks about the erosion, the water erosion, the temple of the Sphinx. Yeah, the kind of explanation away of that also never made sense to me that it's wind and sand because when you see pictures of the Sphinx even from when they kind of found it in the polionic times, it's buried in sand. Right. And there's records from the Egyptians and the Selves who, you know, took excavated it effectively because it was covered in sand.

32:57So So if it quickly gets covered in sand, how could it be eroded by wind and sand if it doesn't take very long for it to kind of get filled up with sand? Then how does wind and sand erosion even count? I've never seen anyone kind of explain that away. Well, it's the walls that are the most fascinating to me because the deep fissures that clearly look like rainfall. It looks like something that water does over thousands of years. Yeah. You know, and when you those whales that were the whale of the Valley of the whales Yeah, just about I don't know how many miles south, but it's south of Cairo that's bonkers Crazy they find whales hundreds of whales in the desert that's so great look at that image that's so nuts That is so nuts.

33:42Some of them had teeth and toes So crazy So crazy. And then it makes you wonder, like, how did those bones survive? Like, why are they there? Like, how quickly did they die? How quickly did they cover it up by sediment that they could find them all these years later? Because that's the weird thing about fossils and bones in general is that most of them, you're never going to find because they get eaten, they deteriorate, they're gone. Like, it's very difficult to make a fossil. You know, when you think about our quote unquote fossil record, it's really weird because it's hard to make a fossil.

34:22So we're dealing with a very small amount of beings that get turned into a fossil. And that is what we're using as our understanding of life. Yeah, yeah. It's weird. It's so limited. I'm not sure when was the Gino when the Sahara was covered in. Well, I'm not even sure when that was. I mean, some people say that there's like a mass flood during the kind of young, the driest period, which I think is... I think they're talking about millions of years ago for these bones. How old are these whale bones supposed to be? But I think millions of years ago it's assumed that it was completely underwater, right?

35:01So are we talking like pangee at times? Like what are we talking about? But even not so long ago, like, you know, kind of 12 ,000 years ago, whatever, but they have these massive river systems, like the Tom and Rossett River system. Here it is. 40 million years old. Yeah. 40 million years old. I don't know about the whales. Oh my God. Primitive whales. Primitive whales documenting, how do you say that word, cetacean? How do you say that word? Cetacean transition? Is that a say it? I don't know. Cetacean transition to marine life. Serenians and reptiles as well as shark teeth. from the Genoham formation 40 to 41 million years ago, let's try to, and I don't say that, either Wad El Hitan belongs to middle Eocene epoch and it contains extensive vertebrae fossils within a 200 kilometer area.

35:55Fossils are present in high numbers and often show excellent quality of preservation, the most conspicuous fossils or skeletons and bones of whales and sea cows. Most of the sea cow. Oh, oh my. Oh, but it's a manatee. You ever see the precursor to whales, like where whales came from? No, what did they come from? It was an ancient animal that was like a, almost like a hoved wolf. What, sea animal? No, you mean, oh, they were land animal. That's why they breed air. Of course, that animal was on there. Yeah, that's what it is. It's super weird. It's super weird. It was some animal that supposedly lived on land And it's a real freaky looking almost kind of like dog -like.

36:38And that thing eventually came away. I just like swimming. I'm gonna go back in one day. It's said I'm never going back to the land. It's filled with assholes. I'm just gonna live out here in the ocean. Where you all you have to get 10 with a shark. It's a article calls it the God of Death whale. Wow, that's what it looks like. That's what it looked like. But there's some images of it on land, some depictions. Yeah, that's what it looked like. That freaky thing was what whales came from. That thing walked around the ground, and then eventually he said, yeah. It was 40 million years ago, is that what those skeletons are then?

37:15Maybe. Hmm. Interesting, some of them maybe, right? Because they do know that when whales walked in Egypt, wow. I was watching, I think, I don't remember who's podcast it was. I wish I could remember. But we were talking to some guy that found definitive evidence of dinosaurs in Egypt. So if you go back far enough, there were dinosaurs living in that part of the world as well. What's that one image you just saw right there with the mouth open? Yeah, that one. That's crazy looking. Prehistoric whale ancestor, look at that thing. Whoa! That's crazy. Here's the sea cows. What? This image says a prehistoric sea cow was killed by a prehistoric crock.

38:00Wow Needed by tiger shark. I don't know boy Life is hard where there's no doors. That's the problem with the ocean. There's no doors. There's nowhere to hide So it's just constant chaos. It is just constant things eating things in this 3D space Where they can go up and down and side to side and that's just nature isn't it? I was just killing everything else. And yes, this episode is brought to you by Uber Eats. Summer is here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. What do I mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken Parmesan delivered.

38:41A day in the sun, no, a bottle of rum. Yes, Uber Eats can definitely get you that for almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats order now. For alcohol you must be legal drinking age. Please enjoy responsibly product availability varies by region Sea app for details. We made it but we figured out doors. We did we figured out walls and doors and that changed the game But when did we do that Joey? That's the question that is because a lot of people would claim to think and the kind of consensus always is that We didn't do that until 12 ,000 years ago We didn't settle down and form permanent communities until the Neolithic Revolution and I think that's one of the major paradigms, if you like, that we have regarding our past that simply doesn't make sense in light of new evidence.

39:28And I just, what is that evidence that they've found of wood construction from far longer than they thought? Yeah, this is the Columbus structure. And this is something I talk about a lot in my videos because I think it's a crazy find and I don't understand why it's not kicking up more of a fuss. Like, if I'm the guy that has to kick up the fuss about it, then I'll be that guy because Basically, the idea has always been that humans were nomadic hunter -gatherers that move with the seasons and lived in caves or just kind of walked around all of our history until the Neolithic Revolution, the invention of agriculture, 12 ,000 years ago.

40:06And no early than that did we ever settle down and live in permanent settlements. But the Columbus structure was something they found a few years ago in modern -day Zambia. And what it is is this, these pieces of wood, and I'll get to the point about why this wood has survived in a minute, because obviously wood surviving this long is crazy, but there you go. Yes, the Columbus structure is these pieces of wood have been joined together deliberately, cut in notches and connected together, tapered and secured at right angles. And they think it was either a kind of raised walkway, like a kind of raised platform, or a house, a dwelling, a hut, some kind of structure.

40:42and why this is so paradigm shifting is because not only does this kind of scream that humans potentially lived in permanent settlement, sorry I haven't even said this, this is 476 ,000 years old, so this predates homo sapiens so allegedly allegedly as in what you mean allegedly, Oh, because we yeah, exactly found out that they lived 300 ,000 years ago. I guess it yeah It could have been us but what they they had attributed to is homo -hadobs against us who's our last common ancestor with Neanderthals so they're kind of the human species that came before homo sapiens So I guess you're right. It could have been homo sapiens And we're just not sure how old we are but it's Kind of attributed to homo -hadobs against this and the only reason this structure survived a tool is because pretty soon after its construction and it must have fallen into a bog, and then that bog kind of got solidified over by the sun, and then it was preserved in waterlogged sediment, which protected it from decay for almost half a million years until it was discovered by us recently.

41:45How recent? I think about five years ago, maybe, was it 2019 or something? I'm not 100 % sure. But it needs craziest. So, last or so long, you're inch. Yeah, I would say it's a massive monkey wrench, because not only does it kind of really dispute this idea that we didn't settle down until, you know, 12 ,000 years ago with the Neolithic Revolution. Because I mean, it's a structure. I mean, and it's just because it's so unlikely, it's so unbelievable that this would have survived. But that kind of suggests that it's not the only one. Right. There could have been loads of these structures everywhere.

42:19And as you said, Manhattan wouldn't live, wouldn't exist in 100 ,000 years. So this is 476 ,000 years Yeah, it's ridiculous. And it's just wood, which is less durable than all the other things that we were talking about. Yeah, and obviously people may be saying, well, look, clearly things survive. But this is an extreme edge case scenario where it's like so unbelievably unlikely that this wooden structure would kind of sink into a bog. And then that bog be, you know, solidified over and then it would stay in that preserve. Like it's an end that they would find it. And then they would find it exactly because you know, one of the children who were born in 76 ,000 years into the sediment.

42:55Yeah, exactly. Because we don't dig that far and look for anything sophisticated because we think, you know, nothing happened back then. And then you find this and it really suggests that humans were living in much more complex societies and they were, I mean, the fact that they had the cognitive capacity to plan, structurally engineer and build a structure completely flies in the face of what we've always thought about ancient humans because we've always had this idea that there's been this very popular idea in in mainstream historical thought that humans only got smart around 50 to 60 ,000 years ago.

43:31And that's just homo sapiens. We've always thought that other human species never got smart, never achieved what we call behavioral modernity. And this has always been the kind of idea that we went through this cognitive revolution around 50 to 60 ,000 years ago. And the most obvious proponent of how entrenched this is in academic thought is, have you ever read the book sapiens? Yes, yeah, yeah, by Yuvano Harari. It's an extremely popular book. It sells something like 60 million copies worldwide by far the most popular book about prehistory and you know the story of Homo sapiens ever written and sapiens didn't kind of do anything new it didn't I think Harari himself would admit this it didn't It didn't it kind of just collected the consensus of academia and presented it in a nice digestible way to the kind of layman audience But he took this idea that's always been present in academia regarding human intelligence, which is that while we've been around for quite a long time, we didn't achieve behavioral modernity until 50 to 60 ,000 years ago.

44:34And that's when we started apparently displaying complex cognitive traits like abstract thinking and planning and bearing our dead. Or, yeah, exactly, in complex language and things like that. And, but this just completely flies in the face of that, Because if we had the capability to plan, constructs, and engineer a structure, 476 ,000 years ago, that means the mainstream anthropology was off by over 400 ,000 years regarding the advent of intelligence and the advent of permanent living. And that's quite the error. 400 ,000 years. Exactly. So that kind of suggests they could be off by similar margins about other developmental claims because, I don't know, that's a big, big error.

45:18Well, it's also when you think about the history of the Earth, there are times that we know that there's great bottlenecks that occurred because of some sort of a massive natural catastrophe, like the Tobavolcano, right? The Tobavolcano, which was 70, 70 ,000 years ago? Was that what it was? A survival. Brought people down to a few thousand survivors on Earth. Yeah, there's loads of these bottlenecks. Yeah, you look at our kind of genetic history. And I mean, that suggests that something happened. Right. Well, you're thinking about what evidence there is. And then you think about, well, there's no one left, except a few thousand people, 70 ,000 years ago.

46:00So it's possible that there's been this rise of some sort of a civilization and then massive catastrophe and a rebuilding. Just like if we're talking about the younger driers, which is in this time period, we're talking about, when you're dealing with 476 ,000 years ago, fairly recent, right? That ain't good. Right, and think about the 6 ,000 years it took for civilization to reemerge from that. Now you think of Tobuh, and you knocked down the entire population of the planet, too. What did they think it was? See if you can find out what the number was. I think it was very low. I think it was below 3 ,000 people.

46:36On Earth. On Earth. Yeah, just for one thousand people. One massive super volcano, which is by the way, just like Yellowstone. It's not, it could have happened again. That motherfucker is bubbling too. Here it is. Potentially, almost all of humanity, leaving around 3 ,000 to 10 ,000 humans left on the planet. That's crazy. Wow. And the super volcano isn't the only thing that so many others. What time period is this, Jeremy? 74 ,000 years ago. So that's quite recent. Yeah, in terms of our story. Well, in terms of your theory that I thought was one of the most interesting ones that you brought up that in your videos, you were talking about how anatomical humans just based on what we've agreed to, based on what we've found 300 ,000 years.

47:26Like, what are the possibilities that there have been civilizations that emerged and were destroyed, and then there's no evidence of them? Yeah, because I mean aside from the preservation problem which we kind of already talked about when you get up to these massive timescales You know very little is gonna survive especially when you think about what early humans were likely building with yes It's probably the things they could find in their environment right right plant remains You know nothing left just look at what we know about the Amazon now Yeah, because of LIDAR and because of you know, what is this name Percy?

48:01Percy Fossett, because these people that made these journeys down there looking for these complex civilizations that at one point in time now we know did exist there. And just a hundred years later, they caught those people liars because they went back to the same place and there was nothing left. That's always been, you know, thought of as myth or pseudoscience. It's kind of that most popular idea of lost civilizations with civilizations of the Amazon and it was always dismissed. Well, here's what's really crazy. Have you seen Detroit? Have you seen the evidence of Detroit? Or trees are going through houses?

48:33And that's like 50 years, less. Yes, yes. If you look at Chernobyl, the kind of exclusion zone where no one lives, it's already like trees everywhere and like nature is already taking root after less than half a century. Yeah, bizarre. And then you 100 ,000 years. Right. Let's seriously, what's going to be left? Very, very little. And then if you go 200 ,000 years, I mean, if anatomically modern humans, if we've discovered them at 300 ,000 years, what if somebody digs one up that's two million years old? Then what do you do? Then you've got to go, oh boy, oh boy. Isn't this also this thought that Neanderthals were stupid?

49:10They're kind of abandoning that now too. They think they have language, they have tools, they have society. They definitely did. There's so much evidence, and this kind of puts into their cognitive revolution argument, which is that we were the only smart species. Like, our name that we gave ourselves, so much sapiens, literally means smart man. It's always been the idea that we're the smartest humans and that's why we want and to be fair we did win. We did win. We might just be the most evil. Yeah we want the most evil. Oh it might be the luckiest ones you know. Well we're the weakest so we probably had to be evil.

49:41It's true. We had to figure out weapons that would be able to defeat in the end of the Tals who had by the way larger brain capacities. I think they would just be intelligent as us to be That's not. Well, I mean, that's a claim that probably some people would dispute, but I think there's lots of evidence that they were very smart. Well, necessity is the mother of invention, right? And if you're physically weaker than these other things that are as intelligent as you and far stronger, like you got to get devious, you got to figure some stuff out. But like, did we even, I mean, either, I mean, may they got wiped out by something like disease or did they even get wipes out?

50:19Because if you even look at the DNA of non -African humans, it's something like 20 % in some populations as Neanderthals. So they're kind of still here. Well, they just sort of interbred, which is also weird because most species can't breed with other species. Yeah. But we have very closely related to Neanderthals. Yeah. It's weird. that the whole history of humans is weird and for academics to deny this possibility to me seem so short -sighted. I know. It was silly. I think we're on the brink of quite a massive shift in our perspective regarding this. I think so too. And I think it has to happen where I don't mean to say this to be cruel, but the old people have to die.

51:02There's that quote, isn't it? Science advances one funeral at a time. I think it doesn't take that long though, to be honest, I hope it's just in the next few years. Well, the good things a lot of scientists don't take care of themselves. Which is also weird. When you see super intelligent people that are obese and eat terrible food, like health expos, that all such. Yes, air quote, health experts, not real ones. But it is, um, to me, a great disservice. And one of the things that I find very promising is that a lot of young academics are embracing a lot of alternative ideas, whether quietly or whether they're doing it publicly.

51:41Yeah, well, I think the advent of the internet, and shows like this, or the medium of podcasting, has really kind of democratized the access to information and allowed people with theories that potentially wouldn't have been able to get out there in the pre -intener age where they were kind of, you had to go through a kind of academic institution to get a theory heard or debated. Now, anyone can say anything for better or worse, and that can reach millions of people. And then if it's an idea that's popular, then it can kind of be in the public eye and then it can be debated properly. And I think that's only a good thing.

52:16Obviously there are negative aspects to that. But I think that will increase ideas regarding prehistory, for example. I think it will crease the rate in which these things will get accepted because once the evidence is out there and once you start talking about the Columbus structure, for example, and how it completely flies in the face of both these paradigms regarding permanent living and human intelligence, it's out there now. But people can look it up and people can see that this is completely kind of opposed to what we've always been taught regarding prehistory. And isn't it kind of arrogant to assume that they know who built it too?

52:51That's weird too, because they're basing in on this assumption that human beings didn't exist back then, at least homo sapiens didn't exist back then, which is also being challenged over and over and over again. Yeah, the fact they based on hydrobegences is literally just because we found some hedalb against this remains like 200 kilometers away. And they're like, okay, well, it was hedalb against this. I mean, it could have been to be fair. But it could have been. But I mean, right now, there's people that are living in Africa and 200 kilometers away from them are apes. So if one day they found structures, you know, in the future, I said, oh, these are made by chimpanzees.

53:24Yeah. That's kind of crazy. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. I mean, that's the thing about history. It's all based on massive assumptions. It's not like a hard science. It's interpreting evidence. And that's fine. Like that's how we do it. But that's why I don't get. It's the only way to do it right now. It's the only way to do it. So why don't get why people make these definitive conclusions and then don't allow anybody to kind of speculate or hypothesize about anything else? It's gatekeeping. Yeah. It's gatekeeping. It's academic gatekeeping. It's also these people that have been teaching this one thing forever being threatened by the fact they were wrong.

53:55The last thing in academic wants to hear is like you wrote this book, this stupid book, this book, misled people for decades. You were so wrong. Like they will fight it with every ounce of their being because it's essentially their identity. Their identity is being the gatekeeper of their understanding of human history. Yeah. They've built a whole career around it and they've, you know, as you say it's their identity. They've been the knowledge, the keeper of knowledge on a particular subject. And that's gross because it's ours. It's the whole It's all the human beings. It's like, do you have a few nerds who you wouldn't want to hang out with in real life?

54:31And these are the guys that are telling us, we can't explore these things. And those are the people that are attacking Graham Hancock with every possible insult, calling it the most dangerous show on television like this. But it's also, it's so revealing because it's so obvious that if you watch the show, you're like, wait, this is the most dangerous show on TV. Asian apocalypse. Yeah. Yeah, it's ridiculous. How is that dangerous? He's like, just talking about these bizarre structures that exist that seem to defy our modern understanding of how things are built. Yeah. And when I, I mean, I don't agree with absolutely everything Graham Hancock says, but when I look at, you know, these ideas of, you know, human intelligence potentially stretching back 500 ,000 years as displayed by the Columbus structural permanent living, and I would argue that it could go back a lot further than that.

55:21So when you look at, when you kind of take into account that these abilities could have stretched back half a million years, when I then look at someone like Graham's work, it seems so plausible. I don't see why it's seen as so outrageous that, because 12 ,000 years ago, which is kind of when he proposes there could have been a sophisticated civilization that was potentially wiped out by a cataclysm, when you look at that from the perspective of, oh yeah, we've been intelligent for half a million years. It doesn't seem very plausible to me. Not only that, it's 450 ,000 years after the first structure now.

55:58But no one's even... No one's talking about this. That's what's weird. Is it no one's talking about that? Is that... It's just me. As far as I can tell. It's like those academics as well that found it. To be fair, the guy that founded, the archaeologist that found it, said that he never could have imagined the pre -home -asapin. And again, we might not be pre -homesapin. It could be a misapid, but he said, it's completely paradigm shifting that they had the capacity to plan and build something like this. But again, there's no fuss about it. It's just a paper was written and it was put out there and then that's it.

56:30Well, these things take time. I guess. Yeah, I mean more of these conversations and more people have to understand that these things are being discovered and that we are kind of confused about so many things about human history. and we're being told that no, there's people at the universities that have all the answers and that it's literally not possible that they're telling the truth. It's not possible. And that's why I get so excited about the structures under pyramid because it's a gigantic fuck you to all those people. It would be the most gigantic fuck you of all time. If they found out that those scans are accurate and there's these pillars that are wrapped and coils that go down like hundreds of meters and then below them there's additional structures and the whole whole whole whole whole.

57:14And I think it's all connected as well. Yes. Which is like if Christopher Donnell's correct about it being some sort of a power plant and that reveals like how the thing worked and functioned. That's way more advanced than us. Like what is that? In some ways they already are. I mean we can't explain how they did it even based on the kind of conventional model of history. I know and we lie. I've talked to so many people like when I had Zawi Hawass here and he's explaining to me national project It was the national project like oh that'll fix it We should make our national project to breathe underwater and fly through the air like we should make that our national project To go to the go to other planets and live there in case earth gets blown up.

57:53What are you talking about man? Fuck you talking about Yeah, they just don't want to and it does kind of make me worry like I don't really delve into the kind of conspiracy side of things because I mean I just I was trying to stay kind of based in not me. I go right in. I'm doing my own time and stuff. I mean, in my own head and stuff, but in terms of my ideas. Where one do you dive into in your own head the most? I sometimes combine the UFO one with the ancient civilization one. I do too. And I think what happens if a civilization from a million years ago got so advanced that we can't see them and then that's what the UFO thing is.

58:29It's just someone from this earth that doesn't really need the space anymore and they're just watching us. Yeah, sometimes think about that. But obviously I don't talk about that on my videos because I don't need to give anyone any more ammunition to send for me Well, there's also the genetic engineering one. Oh, you mean like that. Yeah, like why humans are so different than everything else in the first place Like that's weird the doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years is really weird What is that refer to is that from

59:02habilis to I guess that must be from home of her, her best of home of her rectus from just a few years ago. In immense leap that is like, turns out to be kind of used to say, it would be bizarre if it was a liver of an order that doubled over a period of that one of the time. But the fact that it's the very organ that allows us to contemplate and to understand human existence in the first place and that that organ doubled over a period of two million years? Like, what happened? Yeah. Yeah. He's got the wackiest theory, because he thinks it's psilocybin mushrooms. I think there could be something to do that.

59:41I mean, because, you know, ancient cultures have always used psychedelic substances, and basically all the way up until Western society kind of took hold, it's always been an integral part of human culture and human society. And then us in our modern world have decided it's an outlaw of that and I think that's a tragic mistake to be honest with you. It is and I think history will reveal that one day. And I think that is one of the also one of the good things about discussions that are happening on the internet that are kind of unchecked and untethered by academia so you can talk about these things.

1:00:20Bigger brain. Sony and website says it's actually tripled over the time we've tracked it. slow increase from 6 to 2 million but a larger increase 800 to 200 thousand years ago and then the article goes that's when the aliens landed. Yeah. So I'd even buy that though because Hadoop against this have the same cranial capacity as us and they go back 900 thousand years so. The other thing I saw before I - But maybe that's a rexus they're talking about. Brains don't fossilize. They deteriorate leaving a cavity. inside the brain case. Part of how they know some of the info. Sometimes how to insulate the cavity, harm the natural endocass scientists also make artificial endocass to study like the ones above.

1:01:06Fascinating. Fascinating. Yeah, we're away to create you. Well, you say it's 2017 that they discovered modern humans 300 ,000 years ago? I think so, yeah. And where was that? Aseem Moraka. And so that's Moraka, right? You said that. So imagine if they found something similar in China. Well that would fuck everything up because that would really fuck everything up. But I mean it could happen. Well we wouldn't really even fuck it up, we'll just push it back. I guess so yeah. But we're not even as supposed to have left Africa until this time of the cognitive revolution and that's always been the one of the points like oh look we got smart, we left Africa 60 ,000 years ago.

1:01:45But that's never made sense to me either because as homeorexus managed to migrate out of Africa and colonize loads of Asia and parts of Europe over a million years ago. And if they're supposedly inferior to us, then how can they make this massively been hailed against this, did it 600 ,000 years ago? And if they're supposedly inferior to us, how come they did this? And so I mean, I don't know. I try not to delve into the out of Africa thing because it gets a little bit controversial sometimes. It does. Well, it gets controversial when you bring in aliens too, because aliens become racist. It becomes racist because now you're not accrediting the Africans to building the pyramids.

1:02:21You know, just really... That's how it made sense to me that because the Clayton wasn't white people to build the pyramids. Well, I watched this very bizarre discussion between some guy that was trying to claim that it wasn't Africans to build the pyramid, that it was white people to build the pyramids. So there are people that have this sort of racist idea of the construction of the pyramids, but you can't attach that to everyone speculating about the construction. because it's too, the things are too weird. It's too weird. And let's assume that it was Africans that built the pyramids. But if we are assuming that, like how were they so much smarter than everyone alive today?

1:02:59How were they so much smarter? Let's say it's 4 ,500 years ago. How were they so much smarter? What was going on? Like what happened? Did they get visited by aliens? Did they discover something that allowed their understanding of physics to be just so much greater than everybody else who's ever lived. Like, what did they discover? Like, what were they encountering? What were they consuming? What were they doing? What was... What were they teaching each other? We lost so much in the burning of the library of Alexandria, right? Yeah, yeah. That's... It's quite sad, really, isn't it, to be honest.

1:03:34Like, there would have been a lot... I'm not sure 100 % what happened with that. I'm not sure if it was one burning or... Just several burn. Yeah. But clearly a lot was lost. But then the question is, what did they even know? What if it's older than that? What if all that stuff, what if this is one of the things that Zawi Hawa was very reluctant to, he's like, what is this? I was talking about the King's List. It goes back 30 ,000 years. What if that's accurate? Yeah, it's the Sumerian one, does too. Yeah. It gets real squirrely when you only want to accept some parts of history. And that ties into the Greens of Harrow thing.

1:04:09that I was talking about. Like, I mean, they have kinglists that go back this far. And yeah, we say that some of them are myth, and to be fair, they have kings that reign for like a thousand years, which is a bit weird. It's a bit weird. Probably not. I mean, unless you're talking some kind of alien thing, then that probably wasn't human. But that might just be because it would have been a long time ago for them too, when they were writing these kinglists. Sure. But it doesn't mean that their civilization only started with the first dynasty. What we've decided is the line between myth and fact, because that's a modern interpretation after the fact.

1:04:39They never made such distinction. Yeah, and this idea that they lived a thousand years, well, if you ever read the North Korean depictions of Kim Jong -un's first day playing golf. Yeah, it's propaganda, exactly. And he made like nine holes in one. He was the greatest golfer of all time. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you're writing about kings. He lived a thousand years, fire came from his dick. You know, like, what are we talking about? We don't know. We don't know what they were writing. We don't know who wrote it. We don't know how fantastical it was, how much hyperbole it was involved.

1:05:11But we do know that we accept the king's list when it gets to around 2500 BC. We start accepting it. But you don't accept this possibility that it might actually go far, far, far earlier than that. And the whole, the pyramids thing kind of plays into the fact that stone is one of the only thing that survives. And pyramids, these massive stone constructions, like ironically, they would be one of the the only things from our, not they really count as our civilization, but from the modern world, the pyramids would be one of the only things that could survive in 100 ,000 years. So it makes you think like how long have they been then?

1:05:46I think the Egyptians definitely undertook some kind of construction project around the time of 2500 BC. Oh for sure. Because there's records of them saying they did stuff, but that doesn't mean, because they have all these records, but there's no records of how they built it. Well, they also the buildings that they made that were after 2 ,500 BC are dog shit. So much worse. They just immediately forgot how to do it again straight away. They were trying to copy and they just couldn't do it. They didn't have the math. They didn't have the engineering. The stones are smaller. And no one's claimed, they didn't claim credit for the pyramids, which is weird.

1:06:24Yeah. Why would you not claim it? It's all weird. It's all weird. It's the weirdest, right? So it's the one thing that if you're a logical person and you think you know the timeline of history you think you understand human civilization, you think you understand like how intelligence evolved and how technology and innovation evolved and you see that you're like, oh I don't know shit. I don't know shit. How's that statue so big and perfectly symmetrical? That crazy. How are these just these vases that they don't understand? And I was a replica of 3D and this is a 3D model of an actual vase from Egypt.

1:07:03Yeah, they're doing some good work on this aren't they people like on charge of the service and Christopher Don't give this to us. I think he did Yeah, but you know Ben from Uncharted X Yeah, he's done a lot of work on these things like those just those vases are very bizarre Very bizarre and they appear why not stop of the Egyptian dentists Yeah, and they forgot to do that as well. We have no idea how they made them. We don't know what tools they used. Anybody that says that they do, you're lying. You really don't know. You can't know. These things are perfectly symmetrical. They weren't turned on a lathe because they have handles.

1:07:42The way they measure them, when you look at the deviation from round and how it's like a thousands of a human hair. It's crazy. and it's made from incredibly hard granite. It's the hardest stone to do that with. So what are we talking about? Like, who are these people? This is kind of crazy. And then you have the statues that are perfectly symmetric. Perfectly symmetric faces. They're just incredible. And massive. Yeah. Huge. I'm believeably huge. So they moved them there. And then they carved them perfectly symmetrically. It looks like they're 3D printed. It's so strange. It just screams at a loss technology.

1:08:23At least, it screams that these people had some sort of information and some sort of education that is like on a different path of our, we went the way of the internal combustion engine and transistors and electronics and they, it seems like they went a totally different way, but maybe even further. But we're scrambled in our pathway to advancement, it's the only one that the human mind and all its infinite creativity can conceive of. And this is another point regarding culture that could have flourished back in 100 ,000 years ago, ever. We're always looking for ourselves in the past. But there's so many different ways that we could have gone, because why did it have to be mass farming, mass population growth and then as you say kind of industrial progress it could have been so many different forms of human development and human lives and well it could have been if they had enough animals they mostly ate animals yeah well fish or something yeah mostly ate animals and fish which is probably healthier for you anyway you know really what grain is is survival food yeah we all got like shorter and less healthy yeah yeah because we didn't get the right amount of protein.

1:09:41And our jaws like shrunk because people are eating gruel. Like if you look at part of the world where people are eating a lot of like porridge and shit their jaws get really small. Yeah. That's not good for us. No, it's fucking terrible for we're devolving because of our diets which is really strange. But if you think about this time and especially that part of the world where there was so much abundant natural resources that animal agriculture seems super simple. You just corral a bunch of animals, you build a fence, and then you eat them. And you don't really have to grow rice. So many different ways that culture could have flourished.

1:10:19Yeah. And yeah, we're always looking for, and we just don't know where to look as well in the record. Like one point people always make in like my comments and stuff to try and debunk me is like, oh, we would see pollution. We would see kind of lead signals in the atmosphere or whatever for if there was like a big civilization 100 ,000 years ago. But that's only the case if it was someone on the scale of us now. Because... Or if they were doing it the way we're doing it. That's the thing. We were talking about a completely different pathway. Clearly, there's some technology that they had that we don't understand.

1:10:53When you talk about the drill holes that they find or the way they had carved out these enormous, massive chunks of stone and we're apparently going to move them. We don't understand. The unfinished obliscus. Yes, it's crazy. The unfinished obliscus, that's bananas. It's so many of these things that they cut out of the ground and absolutely moved our bananas. So it's like, what kind of technology? Why are we assuming that it's going to be some internal combustion engine that sprays out terrible pollution? Would they have figured something out? I would say it's entirely possible. It's entirely possible because we're going to eventually.

1:11:33If you give us another thousand years, you will not be able to recognize any of this nonsense that we use for technology today, especially when AI gets involved. Like did you see that thing where quantum, a quantum computer supposedly went one second back in time? I did, I was reading that last message. No, they discovered it six years ago though. It's not new. What? Six years ago they had, well still, still. That's the story of 2019. But still. And we went back in time. Yeah, wait, wait, one second and some way in quantum. What does that even mean? Exactly. Exactly. That's mad. But that's us.

1:12:12Now imagine that technology that was science fiction 20 years ago. Right? Well, go back to like the movie Alien and look at their stupid computers that they had. that this is what they thought people were going to have when they were starfaring people. Now think of this quantum computer experiment where it goes back in time one second and then go four to thousand years. Which is nothing. We're talking about 4 ,500 years ago. We might be off by a thousand. So go to 5 ,500 years ago. 6 ,000. If you're listening to John Anthony West, he thinks it's 34 ,000 years. That's what he thinks. And that's that sounds so crazy, but then you look at the kind of length of time we've been around and it's still quite recent Yeah, it's still quite recent and that lines up with this things doesn't it with the kind of That's the processional cycle how much evidence of a quantum computer from 34 ,000 years ago would be left Right, so if we did get pelted by comets which we know happened mm -hmm.

1:13:14That's a fact There's I saw an estimate I think it was from NASA, but I'm not 100 % sure, but it was from a kind of scientific journal that Earth is hit by what they define as a cataclysmic impact every 100 ,000 years. So that's an impact that's capable of wiping out a third of today's population. Every 100 ,000 years, and 100 ,000 years sounds like a long time, but again, we've been around for 300 ,000 years. So theoretically, we've been hit by a cataclysmic impact three times already during our story, and that both has the potential to completely wipe out anyone that was doing anything sophisticated, but also to wipe the record clean.

1:13:51Yeah. And that's not the only thing you've got, you know, super volcanoes, as we talked about, you've got pole shifts, you've got solar flares, you've got glaciers scraping across the landscape and just completely erasing the record. You've got sea level rise. Sea level rise is a massive one because, I mean, where we always lived by the coast. And if you look at the kind of fluctuation of sea level rise over the last 100 ,000 years, 200 ,000 years, 300 ,000 years, the sea level is going in and out by hundreds of kilometers at a time. And nothing is going to be left. Right. Wild stuff. I know, it's crazy.

1:14:25It is wild stuff. But again, if someone is a historian and they got into the sums of archaeologists and they got into this because they have this fascination for it, For them to become professors and then start teaching and writing books about this stuff and not still be fascinated by the new stuff is to me so weird. It's like you missed the whole reason why you got into this in the first place. You got into this in the first place is because you're trying to figure out what happened. How did we get to this point? And if there's evidence that shows that we don't have the full picture and you're ignoring that or dismissing that or...

1:15:09But the thing is when you go through these kind of systems and I've sort of got experience of this, obviously I was never a professional academic or anything like that, but you know, I did history for four years. I was kind of inside and I got to the point where it was almost, you know, it was do this as a career, become a professional academic or not. It's very hard to kind of even think this way because everyone around you is thinking within these boxes that we've created for ourselves. And so it's very hard to kind of open your mind and you kind of have to do it in private as well because no one else is talking in those terms around you and you're surrounded by people that think in quite limited terms.

1:15:45And I don't say that to kind of be offensive or, you know, doubt anyone's intelligence. Or the culture. Exactly. It's the culture. And it means that no one is, it's very hard to think outside the box when you're kind of in that culture and I think that's kind of what creates these you know rigid systems of thought. It's also kind of fear based because it's not just discouraged they'll attack you. They attack each other even when they are vicious. Just to think about the Clovis first issue. Yeah I mean that's the best example. It's the best example because that guy was destroyed. It's a career in the history.

1:16:19Yeah destroyed. And they were right. They were destroyed for theorizing that human beings had lived in North America and that had arrived in North America far before 13 ,000 years ago. And that was the established timeline of the Clovis people. And then when they found these footprints in New Mexico that are 22 ,000 years old. And they hated that as well. They hated that. Of course they hated it. But they hated it just because they were wrong. It's all it is, man. It's human ego is so gross. And this brings me back to psychedelics. because what would a psychedelics do that's most important? Well, the dissolving of the ego, it's one of the most important aspects of it.

1:16:58It makes you realize the folly of your ways. And all of these people that are supposed to be the academics, they're supposed to be the enlightened ones. They're not enlightened. They have information and they hold that information. It's their identity. And they're right about a lot of things because they have it studying it and they do deserve credit for that. what they've done is amazing and the understanding that these academics, these archaeologists and historians can give us of our world and our history is really cool. It's really awesome, but there's a whole lot more out there and for them to pretend and dismiss people like they should embrace people like Graham Hancock and then they should correct him when he's saying something that's wrong.

1:17:42But instead of lying and then calling them a racist and saying all these terrible things about them Well, that just shows me that you don't really have an argument and you're trying to protect your identity Your identity is the gatekeeper of this information that is not yours to gatekeep It's for the whole human race to understand what the hell happened Yeah, and I wish that you know we've seen a surge in interest in ancient history and prehistory and You know, the story of our species through people like Graham Hancock, who have kind of created a massive interest in this subject, but instead of embracing that, they see it as a threat and I think that's really sad to be honest.

1:18:27And yeah, I think it kind of hurts the discipline in general because if you kind of like embrace that and like brought him into the table and spoke to him and kind of agreed to have the discussion, then it would create a much kind of more healthy debate around these things. And when you talk about the cloverist kind of narrative, because we think that we know what happened and thus we know what didn't happen, it means that people aren't even looking for stuff that now we know was there. So like they didn't dig deeper than the cloverist layer until very recently because they knew that humans weren't around until cloverists.

1:19:06but obviously that was wrong. So they could have missed so much stuff and they probably did. I mean, have you seen that? There's like a, to be fair, I think a gray and mentioned it on the show, the Sorouty Mastered On site, which is like 130 ,000 years ago in America. I mean, if that's human, and which it kind of looks like it is. That's debatable though, right? Isn't that debatable? Yeah. Because the way the bones are broken, it could have been from some sort of an accident or an avalanche or something, right? Yeah, it is debatable, but it's also it could be human. Right. It could easily be human, because it kind of looks like human markings on bones.

1:19:37I mean, it looks like scrapings, like they're scraping the marrow out of the bones. Yeah, exactly. Or some kind of primitive... But why couldn't it have been human? I mean, it didn't necessarily have to be homo sapiens, but why couldn't another human species have got to the Americas? Well, it seems like they certainly could have, if they were here 22 ,000 years ago. Like, what was that time, why they figured it out then, and how they do it, right? That's the question, how they do it. And we know that people were seafaring from what was the earliest seafarers? You could argue that homorecta seafarer 800 ,000 years ago, which is just mental.

1:20:12Could you really? Well, they reach places that were isolated and some people say they kind of floated there accidentally. Booo. Which is possible, but it seems a bit weird that you'd then survive and colonize a place. See, that's where it gets so squirreled. If homorecta's made a boat, that's bananas. I mean, the Andathols were definitely making boats and this points to how intelligent they were. They were making sophisticated boats and sailing across the Mediterranean and colonizing places like Crete well over a hundred thousand years ago Well, we know that the North Sentinel people they they arrived by boat from Africa 60 ,000 years ago.

1:20:43Yeah, and so at least then people were seafaring. Oh, definitely and probably Earlier than that. So why would we assume they wouldn't get to the Americas? That seems crazy I mean bigger journey to be fair But then I'll guess if you go across the top and you go across the top and kind of hop down along the coast then yeah not so hard well when also there's a problem is like if you go back 12 ,000 years ago Canada's covered in ice yeah there's nothing there it's literally all ice so where are they coming from well they have to be coming from the south I guess I mean there's the kind of theory regarding the the Polynesian kind of island chain you know hopping across the east to island and then making one last hopper across to South America or that's a crazy hop going the other way.

1:21:28It is a crazy hope. But people have always done crazy. Just the fact that they did it in the 1400s has been crazy and they did that with tech that was, you know, no tech. They just did it with the stars. Yeah. And would. But then you get to, what do you say that ancient Greek symbol that ancient Greek mechanism that they found? The anti -Cathera. I never could say that. Anti -Cathera. I'll try. I'll try to remember it. But I always forget it. But that thing is bananas, like that when they first found it, it just looked like a hunk of shit, like what is this? And then when they got a better understanding, I think it was like a long time after they discovered it, that they go, oh wait a minute, these are gears.

1:22:09Like what is it? How is this basically? 2000 year old computer. Yeah. At least, I know, so that's not the first one. Like no, and just someone didn't just develop that. I'm just like, here we go. made a computer. It was clearly a long history of very, very technical stuff in ancient Greece. And it could well have been the ancient Greeks, but also it could have been like, well, where did you kind of, where's the, what's the history of this technology? Right. More technical than like this modern automatic watch. Yeah. You know, modern automatic watch, if you look at the inside of them, it's crazy.

1:22:39There's springs and gears and it's all within like this, uh, Seiko was like within, I think it's a couple seconds a day. Yeah. Like that's crazy and they tall these little and it moves it has no power source other than the movement of your hand Yeah, and the notes because they are not any two -hour power reserve So for 72 hours of let it sit there just from the power of your hand from wearing it for you. Yeah Nuts and that nuts, but that's normal. That's a normal thing for a modern watch with these little tiny gears This thing's way crazier than that. Yeah, and it's 2000 years old at least What do they think it was for?

1:23:19I think they thought it kind of like tracked the Luna cycles and the kind of ellipsical movements of I don't know. Have you seen the 3D AI representation of what it looked like when it was fully done? See if you can find that because it's that that's the most eye -opening of it because you're bringing this back to the time of Christ and someone made a computer during the time of Christ. Like, okay, what are we missing? Like, grams quote is the best. I love this quote. We are a species with amnesia. Oh, 100%. 100%. Yeah. And there's other quote that I really love. Things just keep getting older.

1:23:55And things do keep getting older. They keep getting older. Yeah. And this is something that people resist for some strange reason. And I don't understand it. I think it's just because it's attached to these folks like grams. Yeah, that's the one. Look at it. That's nuts. That's what it used to look like. This is a modern reproduction of it. Oh, right, but that is what it used to look like, right? Based off of that, these pieces. So show me the modern reproduction of what it looked like. Just imagine. OK, someone 2000 fucking years ago figured that out, and they have these little representations of the stars and the planets, of the sun, and then all the planets, surround it.

1:24:38First of all, how do they know all that? How are they seeing these planets? Like, did they have a telescope? Like, how do they know how many planets are in our solar system? What did you base this on? And no equivalent technology ever re -emerged until we're like, you know, like the 16th century with like Swiss clockmakers and something. So it just makes you wonder, like how old is that? And what's that from? And what were the, you know, was there other stuff like this that we never find? When I go to Percy fares. Yeah, that I think that's the I don't see the evidence that they have for 700 ,000 years ago.

1:25:19I think that's the home or a rectus thing No, I'd Google it and cross in the agency. It says they might have been doing which Highlands that were protecting it from crazy weather potentially made it Easier but that is I don't know what evidence that is a crazy thing to read some evidence suggests that man may have crossed the seas earlier, 700 ,000 years ago. Aren't you happy you were born today? Imagine you're trying to gut it out, tough it out, live it in the way. Say the boys and go across across them, fucking see in a wooden raft. Yeah, maybe you want to eat in your friend, because there's no food left.

1:25:54Yeah, it's kind of amazing that we've got as far as we did, but it's really amazing when they find things like that. Is the antichapheromachinism, I said it right? He did. and they'll try to remember. But just the fact that we found one of those, and it makes you wonder, like, what would they have in Egypt? You know, what did they have 2 ,000 years before that? What did we miss? I'm sticking into the stone stuff for our time out frequencies. I saw a video recently that doesn't explain all the Egypt stuff, but there were frequencies becoming out of these rocks. That I don't think everybody is currently studying.

1:26:32people have studied it.

1:26:41That's very basic, but like there's the King's Chamber and the reverberations that happen. I was reading from Archimedes, I think this quote here, when the priesting the hymns of the gods, they sing the seven vowels and do succession. The sound of these vowels has such euphany. I think that's that word. that men listen to it instead of the flute and the lyre, the lyre. From tooth out or 200 BC. With this, like so many ancient sites that all built with kind of a coup stick, like resonance in mind. Yes, that's what I was getting into this. I was trying to find the proof of it. Someone made a video I saw recently where this somatic stuff shows up all over the place in some ancient sites, definitely obviously in churches and cathedrals.

1:27:26But this is what happens when you like put sand on a plate and hum on it, are putting a certain vibrations. And how you stumble across this, and it just so happens to be the same thing we're like we're discovering now. Whew. Crazy. What is that image of? What is that golden? This? Yeah, what's that? It's a cathedral. I looked at it a second ago. Is that in Canada? No, the article is from Spain. It's in Spain. Whoa.

1:28:01That is wild. I was looking into the oldest doors. People found the oldest doors only like 5 ,000 BC. It was found in Switzerland somewhere. Huh. It's an act, the oldest act of doors in the UK. It's from 900 AD I think. What are those images that take a geometry from? And that right there, Leonardo da Vinci's, original drawing of the flower of life. What da Vinci? What drugs are you taking, son? How is he seeing that? Well, that's ancient imagery, right? That's sacred geometry. Those depictions have been around forever. You know the crazy dude, eventually in a good way. Yeah, bizarrely smart. It's weird when you have these outliers, these outliers that come out of nowhere and like He had like a working model of a flying machine.

1:28:59And he had like three jobs. Yeah. What do you guys? And he's an amazing artist. Yeah. It's kind of, you know, these outliers. That's just how many of them we've never heard of. How many of them were from 30 ,000 years ago? How many? Just we have such a limited understanding of our history. And I always think like if something happened to us right now, What would really be left? The real problem is everything is either on paper and there's not a lot of it on paper anymore. It's on hard drives. Those things would get cooked. If there was just a massive solar flare, something huge that took out our power grid and destroyed all of our cell phone towers and all our satellites, no more electricity.

1:29:46even if it didn't get cooked, what would you do with it? In 10 ,000 years, you found that, you wouldn't know what that was. You wouldn't know what that was. You would have to devise a new version of Windows to read it. You know, it would take so long, and it would probably have been corroded and wasted away. It wouldn't be wrecking you guys before that. Especially if something happened, it was underwater, especially if the entire world is on fire because we could hit with a comment. Like, there wouldn't be much left. And this is like a really shitty way to store information. It does feel like a bit of a risk, doesn't it?

1:30:23Like, it's a giant risk. Everything we've ever learned and, you know, discovered and thought about is what's in it. Well, you know what happens when your phone dies and you don't have a backup phone, you're like, oh no, I don't know anyone's number. And we do that with our entire civilization's knowledge. Right. And so then you would have just stories and myths of what things used to be like. There was an all female flight crew at Delta. You're like, what are you talking about? What does that even mean? You know, all day I can't satellites. What are you talking about? Like what is the thing is like, I wonder how many of the satellites would still be an orbit or whether their orbit would deteriorate and they'd come crashing down to Earth?

1:31:00I think they would decay like relatively quickly, I think. I mean, I'm not sure, but lots of them would, I think. And when we're talking big times, go. Yeah, let's think, let's Google that. How many satellites that are in orbit today see if put this into AI? How many satellites that are in orbit around the Earth today will be there in 100 ,000 years?

1:31:26Does a perplexity have an answer for that? I think it's unlikely that anyone else was doing space travel and stuff. Unlikely yeah, so maybe I'm possible, but I don't think there's anything on the moon for example I think we probably see that but yeah, that's the weird one right there's bases on the dark side of the moon and they're watching us Are you sure? I don't think so you know Well then there's the weirdest of the moon itself that it's the absolute perfect size and the perfect distance to completely block out the sun That is weird isn't it? Real real weird. It's real weird because it's not kind of Right, it's perfect price precise.

1:32:09Yeah, it's very precise So you would need the precise size and the precise distance That's weird and there's also the fact that it stabilizes our atmosphere It stabilizes our environment. Yeah, I guess the argument for that is we wouldn't be here if it wasn't right If it wasn't the exact right it's the best answer You might have to read the whole thing, but there's thousands of satellites burning up each year in the atmosphere. This is what I got to the end of. Oh, so thousands of them would crash down? I mean, they... So how long did they last? That's the first... That's why I was trying to track that down.

1:32:42The first one only lasted three months. So Sputnik I, the Soviet Union, in 1957, three months later it fell out of orbit. It seems like they worked up to about a 25 -year rule where they only expected to last that long. Wow. It's gonna crash down. So in 25 years there's nothing left. But I was trying to group how long would till the last one, if they stopped putting them up, how long until the last one crashes down? It seems like 25 years. That's why I couldn't get a good answer that way. Did you put it into AI? I didn't, because I don't want to. I don't like asking questions. I don't know the answer to the AI.

1:33:23That's just... Like asking questions, I know the answer to this. Well, I just like to see how it thinks. I like to see if it's gonna just bullshit you and lie to you or if it's gonna... That's why I wanna know when it's bullshit in me. Yeah. I don't like no one it doesn't. Yeah. You just have to trust it. Well, it's also basing all its information on websites. Yeah, and I don't know what year it was trained on. I was watching people talk about sports cards like it's not updated in the last three years. So you don't even, you can't use this data. It's not good data. Oh, really? Which one was that?

1:33:51I don't know which one they were talking about. That's there's so many AI opportunities out there. It's funny watching people on Twitter use GROC and try to get GROC to say things it doesn't want to say Yeah And you realize oh there's an information blockade of what GROC is allowed to talk about I think you could just make it you can kind of trick AI to say Whatever you want it to say yeah I've seen people do that like trick it into saying like how would you make a bomb? And that's almost the bad thing about it is you can kind of become as your own little echo chamber off for a while if you want it to, if you can kind of convince it to.

1:34:28Well we've done a really terrible job of taking care of most people and when then you give these people access to the kind of power that AI provides them, they're going to ask naughty questions because they, you know, it's great fun though. They're not living in harmony because we're a selfish being or a selfish creature. It's a crazy thing though, the kind of advent of large language models and artificial intelligence. And it's mad. Well, it's also we're in the middle of it. It's happening right now, which is real weird. So like in our lifetimes, we're potentially witnessing the biggest change to civilization since the pyramids.

1:35:08Yeah. You say, I mean, even in my lifetime, like I was born in 97, didn't really have, I had to dial up the internet. I'm remember when I was a kid. And then, you know, smartphones came along and then obviously things like AI and it's just, it is pretty ridiculous. I was 27 years old before I ever got online. That was when I first got a computer and I got on ALL and you've got mail. It's like, I've got mail. This is crazy. Yeah. And, you know, and you could go to chat rooms and read about stuff and you could download information. and the side print stuff about UFOs, and like this is the future, I'm living in the future.

1:35:51And we're very fortunate, I think, that we got to see what life was like with the primitive use of the internet to what it's become now, to a quantum computer can go back a second in time to what is coming next. We don't know. What's really weird is imagine if this has been done before. We're assuming that it hasn't, But imagine if the Egyptians had figured out something similar. It kind of makes sense. I mean, it sounds preposterous that they did. But why? Why if we can do it? Why if we can do it? If maybe it's just a thing, if you leave humans undisturbed for a long enough amount of time with food, they start figuring stuff out.

1:36:36If you can keep them from killing each other, and maybe that's the beautiful thing about the way Egyptian technology had advanced, they didn't split the atom. Maybe they figured out something else, that they couldn't turn it to a weapon. Yeah. They were definitely doing some pretty mad stuff. And then if you look at those kind of granite boxes, they made a completely smooth surface. I mean, they clearly had some form of technology that we don't attribute to them. I think that's undisputed. I mean, it is disputed, but I don't think how, I don't see how you can logically kind of look at what they were doing and not think they had some kind of technology that we don't traditionally attribute them to.

1:37:13But whether that means they were like some crazy advanced civilisation or it was built by some other advanced civilisation, that's a bit more hypothetical. But they were clearly doing stuff that we can't appreciate today. So that logically suggests they had something that we don't understand, right? Right. And when you find... And to get there from 2000 years ago, it makes you just really think like, what did they We have. Ancient Greece was very inspired by ancient Egypt, so I mean it could have well come from that. Exactly. Yeah. And we, you know, we're just guessing. We're just lost in guessing.

1:37:49That's the thing. It's all about interpretation, isn't it? All of history is about interpretation. It's not a hard science like, you know, physics, or I mean, physics. This is kind of crazy too. I was going to ask my headman, I asked too much for me and all that content, physics stuff. But have you ever had the salurian hypothesis? No. I mean, I have. What is it? It's kind of linked to this, it's linked to this, you know, ancient civilization stuff. It's the idea that there could have been an advanced civilization on our planet, you know, 100 million years ago, a non -human one, the, you know, was an advanced and industrial.

1:38:22And we just wouldn't see any trace because of how long ago it was. And they could have been here. And, you know, we just wouldn't know because it's been so long. It's kind of like where I come from with my kind of human idea, obviously, it's a further time span, but it's been, it was proposed by two physicists is why I, why, what just thought of it just then is guy called Adam Frank and, um, I've had him out, Adam on before. You've had him on. Adam Frank. There you go. I mean, did he, did he, did he might, we had him on? Jamie, right? I don't know. Didn't we? Let me see. You can see my problem.

1:38:55That happens all the time. We're like, yeah, we've had him on. I know we have. That was sort of 1130. I knew we have. There you go. I just wanted to check because I have been wrong before. We talked about a guy, I'm like, who's that guy? And then I talked to him for three hours. You were either gone. It's happened before. So this idea is that something else other than human beings, which is the idea that if it had we wouldn't know. And because the earth's been around for so long and complex, multicellular life appeared relatively early in our four billion year history of the earth, well, I'm not sure on the dates.

1:39:30But we've been around the Earth as far as there has been around for so, so, so long. And we know that intelligence can emerge because it emerged with us and happened relatively quickly when you look at the kind of massive timescale that the Earth has been around and how long multicellular life has been around. So their idea is kind of like, well, what if you know a civilization in the kind of era of the dinosaurs had, you know, become very advanced in industrial society? and they say we would see absolutely no evidence. Like when I'm talking about human civilization, we would see some potential evidence, like rock, calf, stone or whatever, but they would say they wouldn't even see the nuclear waste deposits, because it's that long ago that nothing would survive.

1:40:12And then I think about that. And I think, well, isn't it almost more likely that something did happen considering we know that intelligence can emerge relatively quickly. Multicelial life has been on the planet for so, so, so, so, so long, a limited understanding of the fossil record. Exactly. Yeah, why couldn't why couldn't something have happened before and then then you start getting a bit You know stone or about it and you start thinking well, maybe they're still here because they that's what I like I like to go into dimensional because I think like well if you do have these quantum computers It can go back one second in time and you You move forward a thousand years from now and they're run by AI like what can they do?

1:40:48Like what do they cease to do these being cease to exist in this dimension? Do they develop the ability to be trans -dimensional? Do they no longer exist in our space and time? Is that like the emergence of this new life form? And then they observe us? Is that what's going on? Well, I feel like if you kind of survive, you know, a lot longer than we have, and you kind of get to a different like kind of level of intelligence, then why would you need the kind of physical body? Why would you need the physical realm? And why couldn't you kind of diverge different dimensions? if such a thing as possible, we're like, I certainly can imagine it taking place somewhere else.

1:41:28Another planet with a similar atmosphere that supports life and maybe they live in a solar system that doesn't have an asteroid belt, right? Because I'm sure they must exist. Where they're not getting pelted all the time. We're just in a shitty neighborhood. We're basically in a neighborhood that gets shot up all the time. Is shooting gallery, yeah. Yeah, it's a shooting gallery. Yeah, and imagine them achieving where we are at, but then plus a million years and you can go, oh yeah, well, I guess all bets are off in terms of what's possible. You know, a hundred years ago people were freaking out if they saw a car.

1:42:06Now we're sending video from a tiny little screen on your phone to the road. Yeah, instantaneously. It's all nuts. And we don't even a blinker that we do. You get pissed off if it doesn't work. Well, I can't talk to this guy in Australia. And instantly, like, why's my phone not working? And people are addicted to staring at it. It's like it's pulling you into its gravity. It's all very, very weird stuff. We adjust very quickly to real quick. Yeah, how technology develops. And it's just getting faster and faster and faster. It makes you think where will we be in 100 years, in 500 years, if anything happens?

1:42:43Yeah, where will we be? I think we'll be somewhere really weird, but I'm hoping that as we do advance and wherever we're going to be, it'll help us understand where we came from. Like, you know, like if AI and super intelligence starts examining the history of the human race, then things can get very interesting. and maybe it could give us places to look. Like we need physical human beings or drones on the ground excavating certain areas. This is like prime place to look. Yeah, I kind of flip between quite a pessimistic outlook and quite an optimistic outlook on these things. Like sometimes I think like it's just gone and we're never going to know and we can speculate for as much as we like, but it's gone.

1:43:31And then sometimes I think no. Like you never know there's so many places that are just completely unexcavated, completely unexplored, that we haven't looked at, like, you know, believe the Sahara on the ocean floor by these, could I have some coffee please? Yes, that'd be all right. Thank you. Of course. And then all these places that, you know, we haven't explored it, as you say, technology like AI. Thank you. Cheers. Thank you. You know, I think, sometimes I think, yeah, maybe we are going to make these massive discoveries that are going to completely shift our understanding of history. And as you say, the kind of Giza, the findings beneath Gees that could be a moment.

1:44:07And I'm always looking for that, but then sometimes I flip again, I think, maybe we'll never find anything. And I just don't know. Maybe I'm just speculating for no reason. I should just stop. Have you seen Ben on Uncharted X? His, he has a very recent video of these, I don't even know how you describe it. There's these underground structures in Egypt that he says are bigger than the Giza Plateau that are underground. You see that? I love his channel, but I love his channel. There's a historical record of these things where people had talked about them way back, even explorers had visited them and found them to be more spectacular than what is actually on the ground, that the underground thing was even crazier.

1:44:55And that makes the question, why underground? ground. Why do we find all this underground construction all over the world? Hey! Whoa! Jamie! Was that, and that's his theme music. I even recognized that. Shout out to UnchartedX. Yes, he's coming on soon to talk about this very thing. He's awesome. He's really awesome and he spends so much time down there. So um... He did something, are you talking about, he did a video on the kind of the I see it to be greater than the pyramids confirmed but satellite scans. I see, I haven't seen this. Give us the coming up. Just put it. Just so many different techniques.

1:45:37The GSGAN and Mellon boroughs satellite technologies, I mean, they're vastly different techniques. They seem to be aligned. They're telling you the same things. So they found something, like there's something down there. What is down there seems to be also quite a mystery. The central object is hard to classify. It appears metallic, not stone or wood. a freestanding 40 -meter -long metallic tick -tack -shaped object. Approximately, what, 50 -60 meters below the ground in a huge, big open corridor and atrium? Come on, like this. This is a remarkable claim. It's a crazy video. And he goes deep into the history of people talking about these sites and even ancient explorers who wrote about visiting Egypt would talk about how it was even more spectacular underground.

1:46:30Here it is. This is, how do you say his name? Petri, yeah. He's written a lot because he was like one of the first people. Sanders Petri. Yeah. So are those the names of the sites he's talking about? Hawara, the Amahood, and Arason, Arsion. Yeah, Hawara was definitely Arsino. Arsino. So it says, on that space could be erected the Great Hall of Karnak and all successive temples are joining it and the Great Court and the Pylons of it. Also the Temple of Moot and that of... how do you say that? Consu? Consu and the Ammanhotep III at Karnak. Also the two great temples of Luxor and still there would be ruined for the whole of Ramesium.

1:47:21What does that mean? In short, all of the temples of the east of Thibis, and I'm sorry if I'm butchering these names, and one of the largest of the West Bank might be placed together in the one area in the ruins of Hawara. Here we certainly have a site worthy of the renown, which the labyrinth acquired. So this is an ancient explorer who's talking about he actually got into this area. The problem now is it's all submerged so it's been flooded and it's very difficult to do any kind of archeological work on it now. Yeah because he was one of the first people in. Yeah, they're like crawling into these like holes and swimming in now.

1:48:11It's real weird. It's like you could die in there. So someone's got to figure out how to get the fucking water out of there and what is that. So if this guy is accurate with what he's talking about, again, explain that. Explain how you've got something that's even greater than what you're seeing above the surface underneath 50 meters down in the stone. And why underground? Why? So much hodoo. Exactly. What were they doing? Were they hiding? There's just like what happened when cataclysmist cataclysm took place they said, Bullson, we need to develop a way to survive these things. And let's get underground.

1:48:48And so many of it, all over the world as well. There's people who are always, well ancient people who are always building underground construction and we can't explain how they did it. Who did it or why they did it today. And again, no one, well no one in the mainstream really kind of looks into that. Yeah, that site in Turkey wasn't it supposed to house like 2 ,000 people? Yeah, and the idea of the number, like 2 ,000 people at least I think I can't remember if there's over my head but it's huge huge they think it might be 20 ,000 people it's massive that sounds better and yeah it sounds more exciting but it is massive and they don't know how they did and they carved it out of stone and you don't know who built it there's no evidence of the stone being left anywhere it's not like there's a big pile of it outside of it it's real weird yeah 20 ,000 they go 20 ,000 people together with their livestock and food stores so 20 ,000 people livestock and food stores extending to a depth of approximately 85 meters underground.

1:49:42And no one knows you built that. That's just an amazing. All the other round nuts. And the kind of argument is that they built it to protect themselves from an invading army, but there's never made sense to me because if you're attacking those people, you just block the entrances. Yeah. And then start fires. Yeah. Yeah. That seems silly. It seems like more likely what they were doing was escaping whatever the fuck was on the service. And so who built that and why and how old is it? Because again, it's stone that could survive for so long. Right, and also, did you build it after a cataclysm? Like, how do you do it?

1:50:19Do you know it's coming and that's how you build it? No, you didn't know it's coming unless it happens regularly. And they realize the only way to survive it is to get underground. Well, I guess you could be, you know, it could be the remnants of an earlier culture that was wiped out. Right. They had like a memory of maybe passed down three minutes. Look at how nuts that is. I was thinking to like no one know how like leaf cutter ends do it. This couldn't have been the first one they made. Yeah, exactly. You figure out how to make all those chambers debris and stuff. That's so bananas dude that that's 85 meters into the ground.

1:50:50So crazy. So crazy. Another great one is Long UKves in China, which is just. There's just zero explanation of what that is or who built it. There's no record of its construction. Have you seen Long UKves? Yeah, pull that up. That's nuts too. Absolutely crazy. How old is that supposed to be? No, no, no They have no It's just like what is this? You know and they don't know who built it. There's no record of who built it They don't know what it was for. There's no deposits of stone. There's no tools found nearby Do they have a theory of the timeline? I think I think so. I mean to be fair is in China.

1:51:23So it's like kind of like it's not it's 1992 92. Whoa. A farmer. Four farmers. There's 24 of them. Like looking like that. Wow. 24. At least 2000 years old. Go to a video of it so we can see because the caves when people walk around it with a camera, it's bananas. And there's 24 distinct ones that look like that. And it's just like who's building that white? Still visit China without going to jail. What happens? I know. Oh, this is Mike Collins. He's great. Wondering who? Yes. He's the one who does all that stuff about that wall in Montana too. Yeah, the sage will be very weird. That man Montana thing is very weird.

1:52:07I go back and forth on that one being man made or... Yeah, that's the case for so many like of these things. It's like it could be natural, but then not this one though. This is definitely not fucking out. Do you imagine in 1992 some farmers are just fucking around and they find this? and they're like, yeah, what did we find? I think the carvings are modern. Oh, they are. I think so. I think from 19 to the parallel lines, they don't know what they are. They have no idea why the parallel lines are there, but I think the kind of carvings, defecting like mystical Chinese stuff is a kind of modern addition.

1:52:41Oh, like brand new. Yeah, like after this. Like since they discovered it. Oh, really? Like even those ones on the wall right there, that's so gross. I think so. I may be worth checking. I'm not going to listen to it. I hope they didn't do that. Oh, that would be gross. You imagine? Yeah. But that's always, that site has just always baffled me. Because again, if you look at the Wikipedia page for that site, it's just like three lines. But it's like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. So the carvings. Yeah. Are those really old? Or are those modern? What made you think that they're modern? Because I did a little video, and I mentioned this in a video, on a German research or that?

1:53:20I saw that. Oh, so in the research, you found that they were modern. Yeah. OK. So the lines, it seems to be, the parallel lines seems to be like how they dug all the stuff out, like one layer at a time. Would you think that? Yeah, but like how? And what using what? Right. 24 of them. And also, they're all so precisely identical. It's like, what tool you're using to make sure this was so identical. Right. Like, what tool you carving stone with to make a giant cave? One particular cave stands out for its detailed carvings of dragons, animals, people and figures, closely resembling the eight immortals from Taoist mythology.

1:53:56These depictions suggest a deep connection to Taoism, whether these carvings were part of the original structure or added later after the caves were rediscovered in 1992, remains a topic of debate. After close examine to go to the carvings and noticing a unique method used to chip with the rock for these images, it seems likely that they were added later. Yeah, perhaps turning the cave into a sacred place reflecting the religious beliefs at the time. Oh, so some gross people carved into it in 1992

1:54:26It's so crazy that you did that guys because that's probably what people have done throughout time I bet that's you know The probably the people that like put their dead body in the pyramid Yeah, and that's the thing with all the other things in the Egypt's they people have carved hieroglyphics onto there but that doesn't mean that that's when the original thing was built. Can you go back to the video, please, Jimmy, of that site so we could see what it looks like when you're walking around in it? Because the fact that they don't really know who made it and the fact that these farmers found it in 1994, when you see the scope of it, it's where it really sets it.

1:55:03It's unbelievably big. Yeah, because I think images are cool, but the way this guy's walking around it, you really get it. And then you have to time that by 24. You imagine those farmers, do we tell anybody? Yeah, if we don't, they're gonna kill us. They might kill us anyway. How much was added than afterwards if they did the carving? How much like stairs? Oh yeah, all the stairs were added for sure, I bet. Right, the stairs that that guy's on? I just looked too new, obviously. But again, what was this full? Like, why do they do this? All that shit looks new. Yeah, why did they? Like, what is this?

1:55:39The carvings. Unless they're maybe they're trying to make the carvings to make it seem like it was older and people would come wonder and just come look and be a tourist attraction. Like, maybe without art they didn't think we'd get enough people to visit. I think it's also to kind of connect it to kind of, you know, more like contemporary cultural China rather than because I mean, who knows how all this could be? That's crazy. Because it's stunning. That's so crazy. the fact that they just found it, just stumbled on it. That's what's the weirdest thing about some of the discoveries, because that's the same with Gobeckley Tappy.

1:56:13It was a sheep herder, right? If someone found Gobeckley Tappy in the 60s, and they didn't think it was anything so they left it. Really? Yeah, that guy fucking missed the boat a little bit. No way. Yeah, some American archaeologists found it in the 60s. And they were like, I can't remember, but they found like a little bit of it, and they were like, oh, this is clearly just some like, contemporary Bronze Age Society. Don't lie. I must have shot himself. He was a bit like a man. I could be a stomach. I could have been the guy. Instead of a fucking sheep harder. Yeah. Because it was a guy who just found like a stone, right?

1:56:49Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, here it is, 1960s survey conducted by archaeologists from Istanbul University and the University of Chicago found some Flint and limestone artifacts, but they didn't perceive the site as anything more than a medieval cemetery. Whoops. Whoopsies. Whoopsies. Yeah, that was the find of your career. And you found out what a slip up. So the sheep herder that found it, I think he just found like a corner of something. And he like kicked it with his boot and was like, what is this? And then started looking around, scraping it off. And then I think once he realized it was really big, they started, he was like, maybe I should call somebody.

1:57:29Yeah. I call somebody who knows how to dig. The whole like 5 % excavation thing is so puzzling and go back to the tap, because I mean to be clear that's kind of how that's like normal practice I think, farcology. But you would think that go back to the tap is like a bit more of a special case. Yeah, that's such an enormous. But it's also, they make a lot of money off of tourism, people visiting it the way it is. and that would disrupt everything if you had a bunch of egg heads digging into the ground all around you. I see that, but you know, then they started doing weird stuff like planting all of trees above the ruins and everyone was telling them, like, hey guys, if you do that, these trees are going to grow roots.

1:58:11The roots are going to destroy what's underneath them. Yeah, that's like, no, everything's going to be fine. And then they realized, oh, it's actually destroying what's underneath it. That's like a microcosm of the problem with a small section of very vocal kind of mainstream archaeologists. I think the whole tree controversy regarding go back to tapas. Because it was Jimmy, right? Jimmy Brighton. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Where do you think go there anymore, you know? I'm not surprised. I might have snuck in recently. He did a video, yeah, yeah, yeah. He did a video. But I think he's banned from the country.

1:58:40From the whole of Turkey. I think he's banned from the side at the very least. It doesn't make sense because we haven't added him for telling the truth. Exactly. Exactly. What have you think of Jimmy? Like he was right. Let's find out. He's banned. I don't want to get Turkey mad at me. Because I think Turkey's probably the, that's probably the birthplace of civilization. Possibly. Of what we think of as civilization. I mean, there's so many different things that they found in Turkey now that's starting to lean people to think that like, well, maybe that spot. Maybe we've, you know, there might, it's, there was probably a bunch of places like that in the Middle East where civilization had sort of emerged from whatever it happened before.

1:59:23Oh, the Sahara. Or the Sahara. Yeah. What do you think about the re -shart? Let's get that in a second here. Oh, yeah. Turkey should have banned me when they had a chance if my pride... It's gonna be so crazy. If my prior work on Gobekli Tepe upset them, what I will share in the coming days, weeks is going to take things to another level. But because we were cunning around various security protocols and aided with exceptional timing, we got the footage. Our ancient history belongs to humanity. I agree. Anyone that opposes that has no place controlling our lost history. Good for you, Jimmy. Yeah, I mean, if whatever you think about him, he was right about the trees.

2:00:03And the fact that they had these people kind of coming out defending the trees and saying the trees were good for archaeological sites, just... Yeah, I don't know what Jimmy has a degree in if anything, but he clearly knows a lot about age and history and he's really interested in it and this again this gatekeeping. Like if you watch his videos and he constantly gets smeared with all sorts of different horrible claims that he's this and he's that and he's like if you watch his videos you know that's not true. He's just a guy who is very fascinated and deeply informed on a lot of the timelines of all these different things and how interesting they are and he likes to make videos of them and that's a good thing.

2:00:42Why shouldn't he be allowed to speculate? He's just a guy speculating. And he's really fair and balanced with how he talks about this. And he's good at it, man. He puts together arguments really well and you just mentioned the reshot structure thing. I've watched his videos on that and like it's interesting, man, the way he kind of connects what Plato was saying about Atlantis and brings it all to the reshots, it's interesting stuff. It's very interesting because it's also he talks about how Plato would talk about the mountains to the north and the river to the south. He's like, this hall lines up.

2:01:11Consentric rings. Concentric rings in the same size as was described as Atlantic. And the Tamanrasse river system used to run. So it was surrounded by water. So it could have been. Well, how come everybody's like nah. Well, it's because you can't prove it. Well, it's a little bit of that, but it's also because this YouTube guy is the one talking about it. That's if they admit that he was right, that would drive them fucking crazy. They had to with the trees to move them. Yeah, sorry. Well, I think he's right about it. Lannis too. I think he might be right. There's something about that that's weird.

2:01:44It's also weird if you look at it from a satellite perspective, the satellite imagery where you get to see where it all looks like it's been washed over by water. Yeah. Yeah. Like the whole thing looks exactly like sand looks when the tide comes in and then pulls back. Yeah. It's all rippled and it looks like it was pummeled by water. Yeah. and match the synch in the sea in a single day or night. Exactly. And also, like, how many stories from ancient history depict floods? There's so many of them. Like, we can't... Are we going to ignore all of them as myth? Well, the idea that myth doesn't hold any kind of use in understanding the past is just ridiculous, because the myth is powerful, because it's the thing we've collectively remembered as a species, isn't it?

2:02:33Yes. Why would we dismiss that as a kind of historical record? And then you've got examples of like indigenous cultures that remember kind of scientific information through myth. I always go to this example of these kind of islanders during the tsunami in 2004. And they, they, they went, it was the Andaman Islands and the kind of, you know, Western scientists that whatever went to the island after the boxing day tsunami. And they were like, oh, everyone's going to be dead. like they're all going to have been wiped out by this tsunami and they were fine because they had this myth in their culture that when the sea recedes you get to high ground because then the waves are going to come that will eat men and that myth that has encoded scientific information regarding tsunamis and that saved their their cultures lives and they had like no casualties compared to you know western or modern people who were never crazy everybody else was like wow look at all the sand.

2:03:27I thought the beach was over here. Yeah, they were fucking killed. And then these people with their myths, scientific information survived. There's a guy who was hiking in Russia when the most recent tsunami hit, and he was on a cliff, and you see the ocean come in and like reach the top of the cliff where his dog is, see if you can find it. It's crazy, because he films the thing coming in. Like this guy is way above the ocean when it starts and then the water is reaching where he is with his dog. It's just further testament to the power of nature. We just constantly underestimate nature and that was just a little wiggle in the ocean.

2:04:09That's just a little wiggle just a little earthquake little little eight pointer and you think about like some of the shit that's going on during all time on earth. Comment impacts and like watch this so look how high this guy is right way up way up right and so as he's up here you know he's seeing the waves come in now he must have known that this was going to happen because everybody knew this was going to happen. So watch how it's coming in now and now it keeps coming it keeps coming all the way to the top where he is. It's nuts. Look at his dog. Shit. He's like, yo, I would be freaking out.

2:04:56I would be running out. I wouldn't trust it. What if it goes over the top where you're at? You're just guessing. Bro, look how high this water gets. It's terrifying. Look at that. The dog's about to get jacked. I mean, if you get trapped in that, like the bitch you are not swimming to Sure, that's your life. It's over. I don't care if you're Laird Hamilton. Well, he might swim through that. But isn't that nuts? Yeah, you'll fuck. That water got all the way to the top of that hill. So, and that's, that is like, doesn't even register in the news. Yeah, that's just like, think that was all the time.

2:05:33That's a thing that happened. It's just like a thing. Like, no big deal. No one will remember that in five years. No one will remember that in 10 years. But if a fucking comet slams into the ocean right there or slams into a glacier, a comet the size of, you know, a few city blocks, that's a wrap. Yeah, that's a wrap. You have massive flooding, like instantaneous millions of gallons of water tearing through the landscape. No more ice cap. It's all gone. Yeah, and just any kind of culture that was possibly around, it's just wipes completely wipe clean from the earth. Yeah, your record, nothing.

2:06:15You're a Dunsville. There's nothing left. And that's real. This isn't speculation. Like that, we look at the Tunguski impact and that was the same sort of comet storm that we passed through. at the same time of year and it flattened like this enormous chunk of Siberia that still doesn't have trees on it. Yeah, and that was quite a small thing. Yeah, and it didn't even hit his air at the back. Yeah, yeah, so. And if that happened over a city, that's like millions dead. Millions. So that could be happening on this planet on a regular basis. It is. Yeah, I mean, it just kind of facts that we get hit by stuff.

2:06:56Yeah, we're always finding a crater, we're like, oh, that's one's thing. Three million years old look at this fucking crater. Yeah three million years ago everyone's fucked If that estimate is correct that we're hit by a you know a cataclysmic impact once every hundred thousand years then I mean What does that mean? Well, that's what it gets really weird if you're talking about like an advanced civilization like You know millions of years ago like imagine if there was some sort of advanced life form millions of years ago and then something like that have you seen that wheel just like 300 million years old or it's like a preserve it looks just like a wheel have you seen you have it where did that Jamie could you please search 300 million year old wheel it you're just seeing it about and like it looks like a wheel it doesn't mean it is a wheel but it looks remarkably cool there's some of the stuff from yeah that's the thing it kind of looks like a wheel and they found it in a mine and then they flooded the mine, which is a bit weird.

2:07:54But there's a couple better images of it. I don't know if they'll be on this page, but yeah, there you go. That looks like spokes and a wheel and not, I mean, it could be natural, but, I mean, what the fuck is that, you know? That looks really weird. Now, what are these, these fossilized tracks? Yeah, these are also super old. They're called cart rods. Again, found in Turkey. Yeah. Right? Including Sulfka, where they, like I said that, where they cover an area approximately 45 by 10 miles. And how do you say that one? There's a lot of words that they've got on the side. Capitosea. Yeah. Home to several clusters of tracks, the discovery of these ruts around the world, a spark debate regarding their purpose, age, and origins in Malta, especially due to the proximity of the tracks to megalithic structures, and the fact that some are now submerged beneath the sea.

2:08:50Yeah, I've seen some of them in Mozart. I've seen some of them in Mozart. And they go off cliffs. Many researchers suggest these fossilized lines indicate significant antiquity. So if this was like mud, that there were pulling these things through or dirt, that there were pulling these things through, and then it eventually fossilized into tracks, like what else would be the explanation for something that looks exactly like tracks? Is there a natural explanation for those kind of formations? I don't see anyone providing. No one has been... No, I mean, I didn't really know about the ones were motor because I went there and kind of researched it.

2:09:26But those ones they don't dispute, they're definitely manmade. They just... Well, hold on, they're definitely manmade because listen to what this says. I first saw a tracks in stone, fossilized car or terrain vehicle traces. is usually called cart ruts on Neogen Plantation surfaces, Peniplein in Phygrion, Phrygian, Phrygian Plane in May of 2014. They were situated in the field of development of middle and late, how do you say that, meocene? Meocene Tufts, and Tuft Fights. And according to age analysis of nearby volcanic rocks had middle -mile scene age of 12 to 14 million years. Yes, this is Turkey not motor, but again, I mean, you've got these cart ruts that look like, you know, some sort of track and there's millions of years old and then you just find that wheel nearby.

2:10:21That's fucking crazy. And you're like, what is this? I will look at what this says. Uh, uh, uh, Coltipin holds, uh, okay, the region that Dr. Coltipin has studied is relatively obscure with guidebooks offering little to no information about it. While mainstream researchers argue that the tracks are merely petrified remnants of old cart -ruts left by wheeled vehicles pulled by donkeys or camels, Coltipin holds a different perspective. Rejecting these conventional explanations he stated firmly, I will never accept it. I will always remember many other inhabitants of our planet wiped from our history.

2:11:00His research decided deeper perhaps forgotten history of earth and its past civilization's like what? Because if it's that's the civilian hypothesis, if it was millions of years ago, how would we just be wouldn't know? You imagine millions of years ago people had the wheel or something, might not be people. Something whatever they were was pulling things on wheels. And they had cart routes in the ground. So maybe they didn't have this is fucking crazy. Coltipin theorizes that the civilization responsible for driving these heavy vehicles likely built the numerous identical roads, and underground complexes scattered across the Mediterranean region more than 12 million years ago.

2:11:46He acknowledges that petrification can occur relatively quickly, but points to the heavy mineral deposits on the tracks and signs of erosion as evidence of much older timeline. He also connects these tracks to surrounding underground cities, irrigation systems and wells, which he believes are millions of years old. Yes, that's like telling you. So if there are people who use millions of years old in these tracks, so relate it to it. This is so crazy. On his website, Coltippen wrote, oh, I'm not fucking his name out. We are dealing with extremely tough, lithified petrified sediments, covered with a thick layer of weathering that takes millions of years to develop, full of multiple cracks with newly developed minerals in them, which could only emerge in periods of high tectonic activity.

2:12:38Whoa.

2:12:42Pretty crazy, huh? That's the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. That's crazy because I knew those cart ruts existed, but I didn't look into them. I didn't know what the timeline was. I didn't know that there's anybody that's even speculating. That thing looks like a fucking wheel. And it's right in the same place. So you got this fossilized wheel and these fossilized cart ruts from hundreds of millions of years ago. The wheel was printed in a sandstone of the roof. Guys, drifters tried to cut away the find with the pick hammers and try to take it out to the surface, but sandstone was so strong and firm, and having been afraid to damage a print, they have left it in place, at present the mind is closed, and access to the object is impossible.

2:13:27The equipment dismantled and the given layers are already flooded. Yeah, they've got it in there. I would have loved that. I think it was something to do with like, just I don't think it's like some conspiracy like hide the wheel, hide the wheel, but I mean, maybe, but I think it's more just like the practice of what they would, they will finish their mining thing and they found this wheel, they weren't going to excavate the wheel because they were like, bro, if that's a real wheel, if someone can carve that out of there and realize, like, if scientists look at it, if they get a 3D scan of it and they go, okay, we have to completely rethink everything.

2:14:05If something had a wheel 12 million years ago, 300 million, Three hot. What? What? What are we talking about? I mean, it would be like the saloon hypothesis. It would be another, it wouldn't be human unless you mean we'd have to radically rewrite everything if that was human. But what does that mean then? Like what are we talking about? Different intelligence. What are the species? So maybe there was something like us that lived like medieval humans. Yeah, because millions of years ago. It's the same problems. like if they're living on Earth, they're dealing with the same kind of physics. They have to move materials around.

2:14:42Why would you not come up with the same kind of thing? Like a wheel, like, it's a simple invention. That's what's interesting too. And we're always finding new dinosaurs. Like, that's a common thing. Right? And if these were a type of human being or something similar to human beings that bury their dead, what are we going to find? What are we going to find after 12 million years? Nothing, except for maybe a fossilized wheel. Yeah, or these wheel tracks. Yeah. Well, what is the conventional explanation of these wheel tracks? I don't know, but I know all I know about the ones in molten they definitely say they're manmade.

2:15:15I don't know about these ones in Turkey. I haven't really looked into it, but those are crazy. I know. And then the fact that they go to underground structures, help me. I know. Well, they're near there. I don't think they directly lead to like Derrinku, you're an a them, but they're nearby. And then so then you start to think, I think what if Tehran Gyu is like, you know, to be fair, I think that's probably man -made, but, you know, it's stone, so. Well, I'm sure it's man -made, but like, what kind of man? And it could have been man -adapted. It could have already been something there, and we kind of changed it.

2:15:47That would be completely fucked if we found out there was another type of human that existed, that did all that 12 million years ago. Well, it didn't even have to be a human. It could be any kind of life. Into just intelligence. Right, but there's no evidence that anything other than primates have been that capable of manipulating their environment other than primates, right? I guess so. Yeah, when we also know that there's certain We're finding new ones all the time, right? This one that they found I keep fucking it up. Homo Julienz is that it?

2:16:20Anticatheria Anticatheria

2:16:28Anticatheria It was larger than us. It had a larger brain capacity. They know that they just, I mean, this was just published in December of 2024. They know that they're constantly finding new branches of the human tree. Then you got a Denisovans or Denisovans, however they pronounce that. They just reclassified that Dragon Man scholars Denisovans. That was a huge... Yes. So Julu and sis, would say that I would say that. Yeah, because it's really new. Yeah. A new big headed archaic humans, bigger than us, with big ass heads, and big brains. Well, then you kind of get into the thing of like giants and stuff and like could giants have been real and you seem to like that's a giant.

2:17:20Exactly. And there is giant primates that have been like confirmed like giant epithelicus, whatever is called. You have Hobbit humans like homo -flow rents. This is all the problem. How do you pronounce that? Do you have Hobbit humans? You have giant primates. Why can't you have giant humans? I think they did. I think that's why giants are always in the Bible. And I think this thing, how old is this fossil that they found of Juluensis?

2:17:47So this one existed alongside, I believe, alongside at least some versions of man. Does it say how old it is? 300 ,000 or million. So that would that would just overlap with us then. 300 ,000 years old? Right. So but here's the thing. They don't have a lot of this stuff. They don't have a lot of evidence of this creature. So right. So they have I believe it's one site. Is that correct? Is there one site where they found this? It is partly on a very large school found in China. Yeah. So how many have they not found? That's the real real problem with us and this whole fossil record thing is that we're dealing with a very limited amount of information.

2:18:39It's very difficult to become information. It's very difficult to become evidence. Especially when you get up to these, again, it's the preservation project. We can't, when you get back there as far as so to find stuff. You should see what this thing looks like when they do like a 3D image of a depiction. First of all, they make it look super primitive. They cover it with hair and give it jack muscles. It looks like this freak. But whatever it is, it's way bigger than us. And it's human. And it lived alongside us. So, David and Goliath, it's right there. And there's also the, I think it's called Megan Throppis, which is, uh, yeah, that's what it looked like supposedly.

2:19:14Meanwhile, I probably We had a calculator. They make everything that blackened. Everyone's stupid and walking around in. Yeah, everyone's stupid, everyone has a stick in their hand. When I was looking up that wheel, I came across the London hammer. Oh, I've heard that too, but I heard that that was solved. I'm not seeing, I mean, it doesn't make sense. I'll just go with that. It was found in 1936, I think, but the limestone around it is supposedly 100 million years old. Oh, shit, I never heard of this. Yeah, someone had an explanation for that. Texas London Texas not England just so yeah, yeah, someone had an explanation for that.

2:19:48I don't remember what it was Mysteries a lot of people discussing it. Um, why don't you look up a London hammer debunked? I mean wouldn't someone want to debunk it. I know there would but I want to know if they're right, you know I'm sure someone would want this lots of I'm just going there's lots of people saying it's real and fake and there's just not a lot of explanation on how it was found in the old limestone. Okay, radiocarbon dating of the wooden handle and the geological analysis have largely debunked the idea of extreme antiquity. More details, the artifact. The London hammer is a metal hammerhead with a wooden handle found partially in case in a concretion, hard compact mass of mineral matter.

2:20:30The claims some have interpreted the hammer's presence in the rock as evidence of advanced ancient civilizations or a young Earth pointing to the seemingly anomalous placement of a modern -looking tool in ancient rock. Evidence against antiquity, radiocarbon dating of the wooden handle is placed its origin within the historical period, not millions of years. Geological processes, the concretion itself is not necessarily ancient. This is what I'd read. Minerals and solutions can harden around objects, dropped or left in cracks, or on the surface of soluble rock according to out of place artifacts, while the concept of out of place artifacts can be intriguing, the London hammer doesn't meet the criteria of being considered an out of place artifact as his geological context and dating suggest a more recent origin.

2:21:18You know, one of the things that I always go to with Egypt is those really bizarre looking things that almost look like a part of a machine, like a wheel thing. Just disc I think. Yeah, it's something, I don't remember what it's called. Some kind of a disc, but it looks like a part of something, like almost a fan. You're looking at that like, okay, what is that thing doing? Is that a turbine? Is that in water? Something, like what is that? The fact that that's real, that one drives me nuts. It literally looks exactly like something. I mean, that's a replica, right? I thought of a machine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:21:55I mean, they found the pieces of, I've seen someone put it, they've cranked it up in water and it can like, displace water in a very unique way. Yes, I don't know if that's you know the use of it, but that's a um see if you get an image of the actual one Not a recreation because I think there's been some some of them They've recreated it because I think it's a very valuable thing So when people are looking at I think a lot of times they're looking at recreations

2:22:21Whatever it was No one can figure it out, right and it's carved out of stone so how what would it? What are you doing? What does that thing do? You know? Yeah. That thing looks like a part of a machine. It looks like a part. Like if you have some ancient machine and you've got a, does a bunch of things, like it moves a beer mixer. Right. But I mean, if you go with Brian Maresco, they're going to have to mix that stuff up somehow. Hmm. That's true, actually, right? But it's probably be your, but it's probably just one of many different tools that we're missing from back then. If that is just their stuff for making what they call beer, Brian Merer -Resco is the guy who wrote the immortality key.

2:23:06I don't know if you ever read any of his stuff, but a lot of it is about ancient Greece and the Illusinian mysteries. Psychedelics again. Yes, psychedelics again. But a lot of it is, you know, what we think of as beer and wine, their other stuff was laced. It was all laced with Ergot and a bunch of other stuff and different psychedelics that we haven't really identified yet. Yeah, and they combine that with that kind of spirituality and yeah, and that's why they built the society that they built yeah, which is the craziest thing about You know our weirdo Technological advanced society is disconnected from that because it's illegal disconnects from the stars as well Yeah, like pollution Yeah, and we're just all kind of rushing around and it's really hectic life of just like, you know Got to do this go do this and just not sitting back and kind of appreciating What was that?

2:24:00Unknown author and read it that's when they put it on a drill. Oh, so they made one of it and put it on a drill. Yeah, that's great if you have a drill So we're assuming that the Egyptians had a drill. I'm assuming they have a drill. I mean they definitely have a drill hole It's done. They find all these people are all that's normal. Yeah, I can explain that away. It's that spiral thing I can't remember what it's called, but it's like, the, the, the Chris Dundid, like, uh, he put, like, a thread around it to show it was a spiral. Oh, yes, yes, yes. The groove is good. Yeah. And he also estimated the revolutions per minute that would take to do something like that.

2:24:34Yeah. So you're talking about something that, like, is going into extremely hard rock and looks like it has some extremely hard tip that can cut that rock. Like, what is it made out of? Yeah, that's it. And these are like serious people. these are engineers that are saying this kind of thing. And the problem is that archaeologists and Egyptologists are all a certain type of person that don't have the expertise in recognizing machined artifacts. Also, they're dorks and they don't connect with people because they're so arrogant and the way they talk about these things. It freaks people out and it makes them not want to listen.

2:25:12This is, I think, the thing that frustrates them the most about alternative historians, like Graham Hancock. He's really interesting. He's compelling. He's a great communicator as well. It's a great communicator and a wonderful guy and people love him and they go, oh, fuck that guy. He's our right. He says that. He's our this, he says that. And he's more popular than them as well. Yes, that's what drives them nuts. But what it should be exciting to them because it's stimulating people's desire to know where we come from and that's supposed to be your business. That's supposed to be what you're into.

2:25:45And all he's doing is asking questions and like putting forward a thing. I don't think Graham would ever claim to like be you know Certain or to he's just saying this could be possible, you know He's got some ideas that I think are a big stretch And then he's got some ideas I think are dead on the head But he will tell you that himself. Yeah, exactly. He will tell you that himself He's just trying to figure this out and that's the position he always has come from yes But they kind of see it and they're like how dare you claim that you have proof and other things Emissary school prove nice and sensitive person that like this stuff really fucking hurts his feelings Kind of I just made it hard and it's not necessary everybody should be working together They really should and the academics Everyone knows that you had a limited amount of information before and there's more information now Like your students are not gonna hate you if you say listen I've got a whole book on this.

2:26:40This is so crazy, but I was so wrong. They were respectful. They were probably respectful anymore. Yeah, the thing about it is like that book is still out there and academics like to point at each other and make fools of each other. They really love to do that. They really do. I see them do it to each other on Twitter all the time. They'll dismiss someone's credentials and say his work is shit and they're like, God, you're such bitches. That's like so. Brutes of each other. Let alone someone who's in there. Yeah, like high school girls like talking shit about each other in chat messages, you know or high school boys They do the same thing, but it's or fucking grown men do it obviously and these guys are just like that But it's also I think some of these guys are socially stunted Because they've spent so much time with their head in academia and their head in books that they don't realize the rest of the world Seize that behavior in a very transparent way if you're acting like a bit online and all you do is say mean things about people.

2:27:43That's not... you're not hiding what you are. Every reasonable person sees that and instantaneously knows what's going on. This is irrational behavior. You're calling people racist because they're questioning the timeline of human civilization based on based on really bizarre things that no one can explain based on water erosion on rocks. Now your phrase is like, what are you talking about? It's just a way of like, you know, shine down the ideas. It's exactly what it is. It's exactly what it is, but it's done by people that are socially stunted and they don't understand that most normal, rational people who see them behave this way are never going to listen to them again.

2:28:29By doing this bitchy thing, you have discounted your own participation in any true intellectual discourse because everybody knows you're a bad faith actor now. You're a bad person. You're saying things because you're trying to shut down a conversation instead of saying, huh, tell me what you did. How did you get to this? So what is he saying? Water erosion. Whoa. Show me. Show me the water erosion. Well, fucking hell. That does look like water. Okay. Maybe we should like reevaluate this. Maybe we should bring you in to teach Yeah, you know like what are we doing? We're we're we're gatekeeping.

2:29:07We're gatekeeping information because protecting fragile Egos of socially stunted people. Yeah, and they've always you know that they Not to say they haven't done great things They have done they do deserve the credit for that. We should give them amnesty for fucking up, but no one Yeah, I mean we wouldn't be able to talk about these things without you know I know what you imagine. I imagine it Harry in the math department, when you've been shitting on a string theory, and now it finds, oh look, look who's wrong about the timeline. Oh, it's Mike, the fucking genius. They're like shit, not each other throwing coffee at each other.

2:29:42They're a bunch of animals. They're just like, you're like any other group of men, you know? It's just a human thing, isn't it? We're all just humans. Sure. Just, you know how well. Chest players cheat. Yeah, exactly. Like even genius ones. And often like these people this is like you know the thing that they've worked on and the kind of biggest success They've had in their lives. Yes, they don't want that taken away They don't want it taken away and they don't want to deal with those other academics We're gonna stick it in their face. Yeah 40 years Bob 40 years you've been teach it lies. How's that feel?

2:30:13How about all those college kids that left with a real fucked up view of human history because of you Bob? Come on Bob. Yeah, I mean poor Bob Paul Bob is going to just like write a note and blow his brains out. Yeah, but I mean, I don't know. I just I hope that things are going to shift over time and over the next few decades. We're going to see a big one funeral of time. I guess so that is the max plan. But it isn't it. But I hope it doesn't have to take that long. Now, which people would shift their positions, man, because well, again, I think new people coming in. It's like a lot of things.

2:30:45You know, new people come in. and they have new ideas and the old dinosaurs. Yeah, but I think it's, I don't know what adherence to these ideas has kind of distorted our understanding of history and has kind of prevented us for looking for things because, you know, we assume that these things, oh shit, sorry. No, I'm just unplugged the microphone. That wheel is still freaking me out. Yeah. It's crazy, huh? It's crazy. But we just don't look for these things because have you seen any of Jesse Michaels stuff? He's the kind of UAP kind of guy, isn't he? Yeah. I haven't really I don't I do kind of delve into that but I don't I mean I don't like talk about or nothing But his latest one is is to do the mummy.

2:31:23Yes, try that door mummy's in Peru Where they've done scans of them and they have fully intact bone structure looks like an actual creature Fully intact three feet three toes different shaped head than us Whatever it is like and also 1700 years old like what is that so what's the like debunking of that well there's some of them that people have made that seem to be a Complete fabrication. It seems to be some of them they've pieced together bones and created like a fake artifacts and tried to sell it off But then there's these other ones that were found that don't look like that at all They look like they're they're huddled up one of them has a fetus inside of it Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they and whatever these things are show them the video when when you see the scans of it American Alchemy Jesse Michaels awesome show.

2:32:20Yeah, he's cool, man. I watched his show on here. He's awesome. Yeah, am I CHELS and didn't isn't there also I might have made this up is and they're also like Depictions of this and kind of ancient. Yes. Yeah, is that true? Ancient artwork three finger three -toed people with big heads That's weird then. Weird. When you see this thing, this thing looks exactly like this, this is it. This is an actual scan of this mummy.

2:32:50Look at the sides of the head, look at the shape of the head, look at all the bones, look at all the ribs, everything. That's fucking bananas.

2:33:01Now Jamie, show him what it looks like before they scan it. So they found them encased and I think it's dichotomous earth. Is that what it was? But how old do they think these things are? Some of them are 700 years old and some of them are as old as 1700 years old. But look at that thing. So this thing. This thing. Is it ridiculous? That seems to be an actual mummy of a real creature. Yeah. And here's the thing. Is that Jesse there? No, yeah, Jesse's right there. That's it. Jesse is doing real journalism on this. This is what, it sounds crazy to everybody, including me as it comes out of my mouth.

2:33:42But then when you look at that scan, not crazy anymore, that's one of a smaller one, but the bigger one with the big head, that one right there, that one's crazy. Like what the fuck is that? If that was a person you would run for the hills, with a head that shape with three fingers and three toes, and the fact that they have artwork to pick these things that goes back, yeah, because if it's a fake, then how are they depicting it? Right, what is this? Like, did they have, look at the scans of the foot. Go back to that. This is crazy. It's almost, like, it defies the possibility of it being fraudulent.

2:34:23It defies it. It's like, make that. You show me how you can make that, where you can scan it and you see the tissue and the ligaments and the tendons and the cartilage and the joints and they're not human -shaped. Yeah, that's pretty nice. But they're in the... I haven't really looked into this, but this is kind of nuts. If these are real creatures that existed at one point in time alongside us, and they're just now finding them, now then you get into ultimate weirdness, because like, okay, what's the NASCA lines for? Because that's the same part of the world. Yeah. And then there's not a weird artwork of things that look alien and you know South America.

2:35:05Well there's one of the Nazca lines looks like a fucking space suit. Looks like a guy in a space suit. And also like why would you make artwork that you can only see from the sky? That's always puzzled me about that. Weird. So weird. The same part of the world where you're finding these things. And they're like perfectly done as well. Yeah and they're perfect like lines and shapes and weird geometry. when they keep finding new ones. Yeah, they do, yeah. Yeah, it's very strange. I mean, South America is just, you know, it's, I think South America and Egypt, Slash Turkey, the two kind of areas that are the most kind of, you know, mysterious and like there's so much going on there that I think we haven't quite acknowledged how much mystery there is still left and yeah, fast enough, especially when you throw this in, I mean, I haven't looked into this at all, but I'm crazy.

2:35:51I'm gonna have to start watching Josh Lee. Let's see what is that. Yeah, that's my - find out that's not a human at all. Well, I mean, it doesn't look like a human. No, right. Like, I mean, it could be. I guess it's kind of human - It could be some bizarre mutation, right? Like those ostrich feet people in Africa, have you seen that? Yeah, yeah, I guess so. It's possible that there's some weird mutation and this is a bunch of people with big heads and three fingers and three toes, but it doesn't seem like it. It seems like something different. Also, what are you doing with three fingers? You're operating electronics only like you're picking shit up.

2:36:26You can't do anything You don't have opposable thumbs the idea that you have something that looks like us It doesn't have opposable thumbs like yeah, that's like a big evolution really kind of a Gantz. What is this thing doing? Yeah, what are you doing? Unless all you do is like put your hand on a machine and you control everything With telepathy and you just control it by touching it And you don't need you know, well maybe it gets to a point where we stop using our thumbs and they just fucking drift away. We only need a couple of digits. So what is like Jesse's theresome? Oh, their fingers have an extra digit too.

2:36:59What does that mean? So you know how like, you know, your finger bends in a certain way, they have what is an extra phalanche? What would you call it? An extra little, you know, you have like one, two, and three bones. And they have a fourth. Fourth bone, so you could type quicker with the three fingers. I don't fucking know. But it's like, that's not us. That's something weird. The skull shape is weird, but it looks like a real thing. Yeah, if that's real, that kind of changes everything. Changes everything. Like everything. And you don't hear it in the New York Times, you're not seeing it in the New York Post.

2:37:33It's not in the Wall Street Journal, but they might have actually found a life form in mummified form that's not us. That looks a lot like these fucking aliens that people have been talking about since the beginning of your time. And why is no one talking about it except for Jesse? I don't know, man. Look at that. Look at the x -rays of them. Look at see how it has an extra little thing at the end. That's an incredible fake, if that's the fake. That's not our fingers, man. That's a little extra joint. And it's not, the fingers aren't even, you'd have to be like the freakyest long -fingered motherfucker that's ever lived, that fingers that long.

2:38:07Those are weird. And yes, that's not us. That's something different. There, there's our. Again, anybody who tells you that we know it all, they're full of shit. If that's real, you don't know anything. If that's real, if that becomes mainstream, if this is from Jesse and I hope it does, and they do genetic testing on this thing, and then someone figures out what it is, and it's got different chromosomes in us, and different DNA than us, like, now what? Yeah, exactly. Now what? Well, what are the chances we have to go everything? Because these people seem to think that, we've got it where it's out now.

2:38:46It's zero. The chances are zero. It's never been the case and we've always thought we've had it all worked out all the way through history It's always like oh now we know the answers and it's always we've always a major paradigm shift around the corner Exactly. So what's around the corner now exactly something like this or the ancient civilization thing? Yeah, well, it's so fun though. It's really exciting It's a really exciting time to find things out because if this had Emerged 50 years ago 75 years ago. There's no Jesse Michaels. There's no YouTube There's no podcast like this to talk about Jesse Michaels and send a bunch of people over to go watch it more people know the better Let's like look at this this might be real This is crazy and that's why it probably is coming out in this kind of day and age because the incident's not been around for very long But why is an MSNBC covering this why isn't CNN covering this they should all be covering this they should all be going Look at these scans that this YouTuber Jesse Michaels did if this is true This seems like something that's not a human being.

2:39:47I know it's just too aliens are real This is from 2017 that someone I had found just a hand It's obviously the same bizarre three fingered hand in 2017 Mumified hand found in a tunnel in Peru. It said these fingers had six bones and each whoa Regular human bone is three whoa Dude. Marmified hand is made up of bone and skin suggesting that it's not fake unless it was somehow made using real bones flesh and skin. But how would you do that a long time ago and then Marmified? It's all so strange. And that part of the world they've had stories about these kind of creatures forever. That's why they have all this artwork about them.

2:40:35Not only that, that is an exact replica. Like, when, if you ever see the movie Moment of Contact, the James Fox movie, it's about an incident in Brazil in 1994, 96, the Virginia Brazil incident, where there was a crashed UFO, these police officers went to go and see this crash, there was some sort of electrical storm, and then they found this creature that seemed to have been injured from the craft The guy picks it up, takes it in his car, they bring it to a hospital. The hospital refuses to treat it. They bring it to another hospital. That hospital, they don't know what happened with the records or what happened, but they do know that the guy who carried it physically died of a horrible bacterial infection that they could not cure.

2:41:27They said it smelled like sulfur and it had three fingers and three toes. It looked like that thing. It had a long head and this, whatever this creature was that is, you know, mummified. It looks exactly like what these people were talking about from this UFO crash in Virginia Brazil. Like it's the entire folklore of the town. They have a UFO when you enter into the town of Virginia. They have like this giant statue of a UFO. Right. Like, there's still people alive to this day that live in that town that will tell you the story. And you can go across town, you can go here, they all have the same story.

2:42:07There's multiple UFOs in the sky. One of them crashed, they found two creatures. One of them was alive, they think one of them was dead. This, whatever this crash site was, they bring in the movie moment of contact. They bring this police officer to the site and he starts weeping. Like, if that guy's, if he's a liar, He's the greatest actor of all time. The guy starts freaking out. We starts telling the story of what he found in the 1990s like brings him back to that moment the women who saw the the being They're like in their 40s now. There were little girls when they saw it and they all have the same story and it matches Three fingered three -toed look like that looked exactly like that man If I wasn't doing the ancient history thing I'd love to Talk about this stuff as well.

2:42:54It might be the same thing Yeah, I mean you never know you never know. Lots of like me makes some you know connection, but things I don't I just don't want to give anyone more ammunition to come after me and shit like that. Yeah, they're coming after you buddy. They're coming off today. Yeah, they're going to after all the nonsense that we've talked. Probably. But it's fun to talk nonsense and this is definitely fun nonsense, but that body's not nonsense. The Virginia thing I don't think is nonsense either. It's weird. It's a really much that's kind of story exactly. However long ago, much to the mummified bodies, that's that's weird.

2:43:24Not just that, but biblical stories about creatures that are demons that smell like sulfur. Yeah. Right, if you're terrified of something and you think you've decided that it is a demon because it's actually an advanced life form from somewhere else and it smells like sulfur. Like whatever they have that got on this guy's skin that gave him this horrible bacterial infant cell document that the guy died. He was a young healthy soldier and he's dead within like a couple of weeks. Yeah, that's not. They're giving them antibiotics. It's in the 90s. It's not like the 1800s. You know, they're treating him with modern medicine and he's fucked and he dies.

2:44:02Oh, the fuck? Yeah. And this is the guy that was carrying the alien. Are you fucking kidding me? I think so. It smells like sulfur. And it looks exactly like a thing that's a real thing. Yeah. Do they have a real mummy of these things? Yeah. See, if you just get an image, an artist depiction, so they had these kids describe what they saw. And they drew this three -finger three -toed little, it's almost like a purple -looking thing. And do you think that's linked in any way? So with this kind of mysterious stone construction we find in South America that no one can really explain? And here we go.

2:44:39What is the image, the thing that was curled up in the ground? There's like an image. Yeah, that one, that one with the red eyes. No, yeah, that one. That's what it looked like. somebody actually made a sculpture of that. What exactly would it look like in Gavitus? We have it at the mothership. But the thing is, it was an alien. Why would it look so human, if that makes sense? Unless it came from this planet, I suppose. Right. But does it look human? Maybe that's a constant thing when you evolve from primates. There's a thing about the alien gray, too, that's always been like this archetype of what we eventually will become.

2:45:18Look at how the big, like skinny limbs. Yeah, so this is how those guys described it. This is how they described what it looked like. Man, that looks an awful like that creature. The big eyes, the whole deal, the weird spindly body. That drawing right there where it's punched over the one to the right of your cursor. Yeah, that's the one's my favorite. Cause it's like, what is it? 1996.

2:45:45Like, I don't know. I don't know what the hell that is, but what if it's real? And what if those things in Peru are exactly that thing? And what if this thing has visited human beings multiple times in history? So would you say it's from another planet? Who knows? It might be from here. Well, that's why I think, because if it's got the kind of similar kind of like primate form, it might look, if these things are, they're finding these mummified remains in Peru. Oh, clearly it was here. Why would we assume it's not from here? Like maybe we just have a really inaccurate timeline of life on this planet.

2:46:23And maybe some things went under sea, which sounds nuts. But then there's all these fucking videos of things coming out of the water. That's where I would hide. If I, it was trying to hide. Yeah, you know. I mean, if you've mastered gravity, the point where you create like a bubble around everything you are, and you travel through it without any resistance whatsoever. and they've clocked things going underwater that are going like 500 knots underwater. If no idea how it does that. Yeah, well, it's kind of, it's like this into, I mean, you probably know more about this than me, but my only exposure to the kind of UAP thing was traditionally through, I'm big fan of Blink 182, and there's Tom DeLong.

2:47:02Oh, I've had Tom DeLong. Yeah, you've had him on, you've had Travis on as well. Yeah, yeah. You need to get Mark on, he's the third. Yeah. He's a complete dissent. I love Travis. I've always, I'm in a band, I always. I thought I don't love Tom either. I thought he was crazy when I had him on before and now I'm like damn I think he might be on something Well, he's so cool. He's always been like an inspiration for me like I make music and he's been you know a big You know inspiration for me, but he always got me into He kind of got me into the UAP thing from all of it. Yeah, he's all in But I do have to say that if I wanted if I was the government and I wanted to like Spread a bunch of crazy stories about UFOs I tell them to people like Tom.

2:47:41I guess I hear. And I tell them to people like me. I mean, I think people do that on this podcast. I think some of the information that gets shared on this podcast is probably bullshit. It's a kind of like, you know, to hide the words. Yeah. And to prime people for disclosure. Yeah. I think the, if I was in charge, and if I had done the how put off thing, you know, the how put off was assigned to do. Yes. So they gave him a numerical value for all these different things that would be positively influenced by disclosure and negatively influenced. And you assign a value one through ten to like what's going to happen in religion, what's going to happen in politics, what's banking, all that stuff.

2:48:24And this was during the Bush administration. So Bush essentially said to Hal put off, the Bush administration said, we have been working on a crash retrieval program, we have vehicles that are not from this world, we are not alone. If we release this information to the general public and disclose it, what will be the negative impact, what will be the positive impact, and is it overall positive or is it overall negative? And everyone, there was a bunch of different independent people that they assigned this task to everyone came up with much more on the negative than on the positive, so they decided to not disclose it.

2:49:04This is how it put off story. I can't tell you if it's true or not. Yeah, but why say it was negative? Just because it's like the jump act. Yeah, the shock. The completely lack of any real faith in authority figures. Like, why would you listen to the president of the United States when there's fucking UFOs of reading your mind and traveling instantaneously here from wherever they're from. Like all of our systems of power and control, they all go away. Cause we don't, you're not in control anymore. Clearly the aliens are in control. People would worship the aliens. But do you think that kind of like drip feeding us and then at some point it would come out?

2:49:45But then isn't that gonna happen anyway? I don't think it's totally organized cause I think most things in the government are not totally organized. I guess there's a lot of chaos going on at all levels of the government. I really believe that. And to think that in this top secret, UFO crash retrieval world, there's not a lot of chaos. Just human chaos and everything. There's chaos in the FBI. There having problems. The CIA has its own problems. Every organization has great people and a bunch of clowns and a bunch of nutty people that don't want to lose their positions of power and these little struggles, inter -office bullshit in every organization with human beings.

2:50:24So for sure, that's the same thing with UFO disclosure. Yeah. And then I think there's also the problem with if there really is a crash retrieval program and it's been going on for a long time and it's been going on without congressional oversight. Then easy you've been lying and you've been misappropriating money and you guys, J .O. Everybody's fucked. Yeah. So what's the best way to like you got to slowly trickle out the information and you got to mix it up with a whole lot of bullshit, a whole lot of nonsense, and then fly some drones over people and see how they respond. Or anything. That's something recently about that, wasn't it?

2:50:58Yeah, the New Jersey thing. There's giant drones over New Jersey, and then they try to find them with fighter jets that lights would shut off and they would take off. What was that? How did they... Who fucking knows? They just brush over them. Yeah, they say, oh, it's ours. Like, they didn't even tell us exactly what was going on, but it was almost like a national emergency. It was a national story. I remember Trump saying that he was not going to go play golf in New Jersey because they were flying in New Jersey. Was this pre -election? Was this before he became president? I think was it Biden?

2:51:31I think it was during. Was it during? Yes. I think it was December, January. I think it was December. I don't think he He was the president yet. No, he became president January. Right, right, right. But was it post -election? It was post -election, right? I'll let you, can't remember, is Mike Ben saying that this has happened a couple of years in a row and they were waiting for it to happen this year. It did, and then he also predicted it would just disappear a few weeks later and it did. Yeah, like what was that? Maybe it's just a grand show that they put on for us to distract us from some other stuff.

2:52:06Maybe there's some banking fucking decisions that were going on at that time that we would have probably paid attention to. Yeah, I mean, look at the drones. Yeah, no, that's a real thing. Yeah, of course. I would do that if I had some drones. Or maybe if I was trying to pull off some shenanigans. Couldn't it just be, you know, like, advanced weapons or technology that, you know, we have or, or, you know, your government has that could, uh, most certainly. Because it doesn't have to be alien, just for it to be like more advanced than, like, the kind of public knows about, if that makes sense. Yeah, most certainly.

2:52:38I would imagine that a lot of what we're dealing with is advanced American military craft. And probably done through some top secret research that was real shady. It's probably a lot of people spent a whole lot of money doing this stuff. And there's probably some, like this is, the people that have gone to S4 and talked about it, you can't, it's all anecdotal so you never really know if they're telling the truth. But there's been people that have no reason to lie that say that they have technology that is 40, 50 years past Anything that you can imagine right now. Yeah, and they already have it and they've been spending shit piles of money making the Wildest things your mind can ever conceive of and they already have it and it probably looks super alien when they Take it out.

2:53:28Yeah, I mean, why would they tell us what the most advanced thing they have is they wouldn't they wouldn't that's not gonna be public information Exactly. Exactly. So even current history is confusing. Yeah. So the idea of you knowing exactly what happened five thousand years ago, shut up bitch. You don't know You definitely don't know if you find a 12 million year old wheel like 300 million year old It's only two nuts. Yeah, exactly. We don't know what's going on now. So how could we know what's going on? So the wheel was 300 million years, but the car tracks the car tracks are what 12 million?

2:54:02I don't know. That's what this that's what this guy says anyway. It's all fun. It's all fun and it's very interesting and I'm really glad you're out there because I've binge watched your show you do a great job. It's really informative and interesting and speculative and and fascinating because I just love the subject and I think you just do a great job. So I hope you get a lot of use and you keep doing it and I'm happy that you're doing it and I'm really happy that you came here. Well, thank you, Jeremy. It's been a great on our to be here to be out and Austin I've loved it. It's an incredible one experience and yeah I've been really fun talking to you and I'm super appreciative of the opportunity.

2:54:38Yeah so thanks so much. My pleasure so tell everybody how to find you um social media stuff. Just put my name and I'm Michael Button and I'm on YouTube I guess and they'll probably find me if I'm doing my job correctly that's me on the screen. Michael Button One. Michael Button One yeah there's someone else out there Yeah, who's got my name? Oh yeah, so don't go to Michael Button. I'm a good guy, man. I'm a good guy, man. Michael Button 1, that seems how silly. Yeah. Fuck the other Michael Button. Come to me. Yeah, maybe he's a nice guy. Yeah, just go to my name. Just go to your name. Yeah. Alright, well thank you brother.

2:55:07Appreciate it. Thank you Joe. Thanks for being here. Bye everybody.